Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, April 3rd, 2007, 00:05 UTC

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justdave:

is there a setting somewhere to make scheduled recording use a free tuner if available first before kicking viewers off live TV?

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justdave:

I've got two tuners, and people were watching live tv using tuner 1 at the time. A scheduled recording came up, and it prompted them on the screen, then took over tuner 1 for the recording

[00:06:23]

justdave:

tuner 2 still sits there unused

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justdave:

would have been much nicer if it would have just used tuner 2 for it to begin with since it wasn't in use

[00:08:07]

justdave:

normally I'd just switch live tv over to tuner 2 and go back to what we were doing, except that we were actually watching a VHS tape connected via the composite inputs, which only works on tuner 1 :)

[00:08:21]

justdave:

so now we can't watch the tape without canceling the recording

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hjohnson:

wow... someone who still uses that magnetic stuff...

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justdave:

only until I can get it all copied to the hard drive ;)

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justdave:

which I haven't figured out how to do yet...

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justdave:

the "push to record" type stuff seems to have gone away when they made livetv record automatically

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justdave:

Need to figure out a way to arbitrarily start a recording from composite inputs and not have it broken up at every 1 hour on the clock intervals

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recurs|ve:

hey

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fryfrog:

setup a custom recording?

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isntitknoying:

anyone know where to start looking to fix a database that won't restart after a hard shutdown(power loss)?

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Agrajag-:

what's the actual error you get?

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isntitknoying:

not sure, on a restart i just get [failed]

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isntitknoying:

where can i find a log?

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isntitknoying:

i'm pretty new to the mysql thing

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Agrajag-:

/var/log/mysql probably

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isntitknoying:

my error is can't connect to local MySQL server through socket /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock

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isntitknoying:

which seems like it's caused by mysqld not running correctly

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Agrajag-:

.. you want to find out why mysql isn't running

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Agrajag-:

perhaps /var/log/mysql/error.log or similar

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isntitknoying:

gaah. hang on, think i found them. i suck.

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hads:

Mysql should usually start up even if it's tables are corrupt.

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isntitknoying:

i found where mysql.log and mysql.err are but they are empty

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isntitknoying:

when i start up my box I get the initial configuration screen, instead of logging into mythtv. This is after a power outage that took the box down. Don't know if any of that helps

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hads:

Is mysqld running?

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isntitknoying:

nope. when i do a start or restart it fails on the start command

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hads:

Well you need to find out why mysql won't start before you can think about myth

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isntitknoying:

thanks for the help guys, any idea where to start with mysql? (besides google :))

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Saviq:

yeah, /var/log/messages

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hads:

or /var/log/syslog should have more.

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Saviq:

depends on the distrib

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hads:

True.

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isntitknoying:

i have ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) in /var/log/messages

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isntitknoying:

and the same in syslog

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Saviq:

try doing a /etc/init.d/mysqld restart and then look at the syslog

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isntitknoying:

i have 'connect to server at localhost failed'

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isntitknoying:

then the same socket error

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isntitknoying:

and then a line saying to check that the socket exists

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Saviq:

well that only says myslq is not running

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Saviq:

nothing about why it does not start

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dongs:

is there logs of this channel

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dongs:

online

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isntitknoying:

i can't seem to find anything about why it won't start. this thing is making me crazy :)

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Saviq:

dongs: MythLogBot

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dongs:

right, and where are the logs?

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dongs:

oic.

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dongs:

http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1

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dongs:

but the page before said said last update 2006 or somethign.

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dongs:

kthx

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t0ny-p40:

How do I take make a video into a standard mpeg video from a .nuv file without doing a lot of transcoding?

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kormoc:

t0ny-p40, you don't

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jd86:

My mythtv is having some serious troubles keeping it to one job only. I currently have a load average of 104 on my SBE and it has a TON of commercial flagging jobs running.... is anyone else having this problem?

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jd86:

I just don't know any more

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offset:

anyone here using a mediamvp?

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fryfrog:

have you restarted the be a lot?

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wega__:

so i seem to have lost recordings but when starting mythbackend i am getting "DB Error (Updating record basename): Query was: (blank space) No error type from QSqlError? Strange...."

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Squeee:

is it possible to make the programs record with a better file naming scheme?

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archon-:

huh?

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archon-:

oops

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Squeee:

like instead of "1049_20070402142900.mpg" I'd rather have "tvshowname – episode#.avi

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wega__:

is anyone any good with mysql? i think something got corrupted

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Squeee:

wega__, Nope : / but you could try #mysql

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wega__:

ahhh ok

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Loto:

i think there is a renamer application that pulls show titles from the database isnt there?

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Loto:

at least the xvid transcoding application would

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Loto:

xvid transcoding script i should say

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fryfrog:

Loto: yeah, i think "mythrename.pl --help"

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fryfrog:

its in ./contrib

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** Loto points to Squeee **

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fryfrog:

you might try the "--link" option first

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Squeee:

I'll look into that thanks

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Squeee:

I have a roomate who made an msntv run linux, he's looking to mount my share for my media but it is a little hard for him to pick a show

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GreyFoxx:

why hard?

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** GreyFoxx has 4 msntv's as mythfrontends **

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SlicerDicer-:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedF . . . uRayAndHDDVD ????

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Squeee:

GreyFoxx, Well ,i mean with the naming scheme that is used by default for recordings

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Squeee:

GreyFoxx, I'm trying to talk him into doing mythfrontend. He's running Gentoo but when he tries to install mythfrontend a lot of things try to install

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xris:

Squeee: that'd be because mythtv has a lot of dependencies

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Squeee:

Acutally apparently he didn't want to make an ebuild so he just build xorg outside of portage. So when he trys to build mythfrontend it tries to build x with it

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GreyFoxx:

Squeee: then he picked the wrong distro to install or needs to learn how to force it not to recompile X (you do need X installed if you are gonna use myth and the IEGD accelerated drivers for the msntv though

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Squeee:

Yea he has mplayer working in x but he has been using the ir keyboard and manually playing things. I think he found a way around it though

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GreyFoxx:

Does he have the IEGD video driver installed? Otherwise any scaling of the video is done in CPU since there would be no XV support :/

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GreyFoxx:

Overall I'm very happy with my msntv's as frontends. A few things I wanna fix up, mostly to speed up playback startup, but other than that they do the job well

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** cecil watches 60 Minutes on new Medicare bill and is sickened... **

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Squeee:

GreyFoxx, He has claimed to have xvmc working, so I think he does.

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GreyFoxx:

Squeee: I'd love to know how exactly he did that since noone I know has been able to get the IEGD Drivers to work with xvmc output :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

GreyFoxx: on my P4–1.8Ghz, a full 1 second of that startup time is spend inside InitCC708 it seems and I don't even use CC.

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, I found that one. On mine it was taking 6 seconds so I commented it out :)

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GreyFoxx:

we are pregenerating/scaling 49 or so different font sizes just incase we might use CC

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GreyFoxx:

It should be changed to load and cached as needed

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Captain_Murdoch:

I'm sure it take much longer than the one second on my p3–1Ghz frontend. :)

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GreyFoxx:

Captain_Murdoch: my nfsrooted 733 msntv's felt the pain from it hehe

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, that's why I posted, saw your mention of those. :) are those things fanless?

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GreyFoxx:

Yup

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GreyFoxx:

lower power and dead silent

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Captain_Murdoch:

my coworker's machine died and he is thinking about a nice quiet frontend and doesn't care about it being too fast since he only has a couple pvr-150 cards for recording.

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GreyFoxx:

http://pics.phaze.org/?album=albums/2006/03-05-MSNTV-MythTV&

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GreyFoxx:

That shows the guts

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Squeee:

GreyFoxx, I just asked him and he said he just used (Option "XVideoMC" "Yes") in his xorg. He is using the IEGD drivers (with a patch to get the tv out working) and " (**) INTEL(0): XVideoMC: On" shows up in his logs

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GreyFoxx:

Squeee: Yeah, that turns on support for it in the driver, but it doesn't actually work

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GreyFoxx:

plus myth would have to be custom tweaked to work with it as well

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GreyFoxx:

so he's not actually using it. I guarantee it

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Captain_Murdoch:

GreyFoxx: sounds better than one of these UPNP clients.

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GreyFoxx:

I've got a usb dvdrom on one of them

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Squeee:

GreyFoxx, If you wanna ask him about it, he's in #msntv on irc.toc2rta.com (l33tbunni)

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GreyFoxx:

Squeee: I'm already in that channel hehe

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Squeee:

GreyFoxx, I actually believe he does have it working, i've seen x264 videos play very nicley on that little box

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GreyFoxx:

Squeee: XvMC wouldn't help him with that

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GreyFoxx:

I can play any SDTV resolution mpeg2, xvid and x264 video on mine

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GreyFoxx:

I tried a 1080i mpeg2 but as you can imagine it was jerky :)

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Squeee:

GreyFoxx, I thought the point of XvMC was to offload hte proccessing onto the gpu?

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GreyFoxx:

Squeee: XvMC offloads certain operations, not all decoding.

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GreyFoxx:

Even if the GPU supports it

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Torg:

only DCT

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Squeee:

GreyFoxx, I saw him do a fairly high res copy of Elephants dream and it played nicely

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Squeee:

hmm

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GreyFoxx:

Squeee: If he is doing it, then it's more than just that config file entry

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GreyFoxx:

he just might not realize it

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GreyFoxx:

Though to be fair, I haven't tried the latest IEGD yet

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Torg:

if X reports its being loaded, its just a module. It dosnt mean its actually working

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GreyFoxx:

so maybe it actually works now

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GreyFoxx:

Captain_Murdoch: I got lucky, picked up my msntv's for an average of $9 each

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gaspipe1:

Squeee: u'r in both rooms....lol

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Squeee:

gaspipe1, yep

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gaspipe1:

Squeee: that makes sence (regarding what u said in other room)

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Captain_Murdoch:

GreyFoxx: yeah, remember someone commenting on them a long time ago, just forgot who mentioned it. :)

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gaspipe1:

Squeee: so what do u think a system would cost... 1 heavy duty backend...4 fronts with 2 hdtv's

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Squeee:

gaspipe1, Depends on how beefy you want the backend (1000–3000). As for the frontends, I would actually recommend picking up some msntvs and using them as the SD frontends (~$40 on ebay). As for the hd frontends, cheap little quiet PCs, mabye 600$ each

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Torg:

Squee I have been loooking for msntvs on Ebay off and on for about 6 months, where have you seen them for $40?

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gaspipe1:

Squeee: so 1500 for back..1500 for fronts... looking 3 gs....dam

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Squeee:

gaspipe1, It depends, that would be a beefy system, if you build em all yourself, then its not that bad

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GreyFoxx:

gaspipe1: Basically it can be as expensive or cheap as you decide

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GreyFoxx:

want lots of disk space you gotta pay for it

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gaspipe1:

Squeee: would u have the cable boxes in basement or at frontend...or could you do both and doesn't matter

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Squeee:

gaspipe1, I would have them at the backend, that can control them

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Squeee:

gaspipe1, You can get an rf remote for your frontends

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gaspipe1:

GreyFoxx: i hear ya... i was thinking of a 750+ GB

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gaspipe1:

like a TG

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Torg:

3x500G sata and use md drivers to make a raid5 set

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Squeee:

gaspipe1, 500 gigs are less than 150 on newegg.com now

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gaspipe1:

anyone look into linux mce?

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Squeee:

gaspipe1, I did, and I'm never touching it again

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gaspipe1:

Squeee: u think 1 tg is enough?

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Torg:

yes, to much stuff i dont need

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gaspipe1:

Squeee: sux?

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Squeee:

gaspipe1, tg? you mean TB?

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gaspipe1:

i like the idea of security cams

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gaspipe1:

right TB

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Squeee:

gaspipe1, I've never used an HDTV tuner so I can't really judge, it depends on how much you want to store

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Squeee:

gaspipe1, check out zoneminder for cameras... there is even a mythtv plugin

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Torg:

HDTV is aprox 7G per hour show

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EnderTheThird:

2.8 GHz, 1 GB RAM, GF 7600 GS, 2 HD-5500's functioning as FE and BE. should i really be getting "hiccups" in playback of HD streams or do you think my settings are messed up a little?

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EnderTheThird:

it hiccups playback while accessing and using the program guide too

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gaspipe1:

Torg: i wouldn't record in hd... unless... like planet earth.... stuff like that

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Squeee:

EnderTheBird: Look into setting up XvMC, it might help

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gaspipe1:

ok guys...night all

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Torg:

EnderTheThird that and turn of deinterlacing if you display on an interlaced tv

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EnderTheThird:

How much is involved with setting that up? I saw the option for it in playback, but is there more setup than that?

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Squeee:

gaspipe1, Torg : HD is fine to record in, just make sure to transcode it to someting else (h.264 does an awesome job)

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gaspipe1:

Squeee: i added u as buddy....thanks for your info and help

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EnderTheThird:

Torg: I'm on my reg LCD monitor for now, so it's non-interlaced

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Squeee:

gaspipe1, No problem :P

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Captain_Murdoch:

GreyFoxx: I used to think that some of that startup time was loading the seektable (and a small part may be), but the debug statements I just put in prove the whole time I'm waiting it is for OSD::OSD()

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Torg:

naa I leave my HD recordings alone, watch them in mpeg2/ac3 as well

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gaspipe1:

night all

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EnderTheThird:

But I will turn off deinterlacing when/if i hook this little guy up to my 1080 HD set.

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Torg:

I have the fastest transcode I know of, none

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GreyFoxx:

Captain_Murdoch: Yeah, it's brutal on some systems

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GreyFoxx:

in fact in my tests it goes through the whole thing again even when changing channels

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** Captain_Murdoch wonders why the rest of us have to suffer if we don't even use it. **

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Torg:

turning on xvmc samed about 50% on CPU, turning off deinterlacing was about 70%

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EnderTheThird:

transcoding = storing as a compressed format after it's done recording the actual stream?

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GreyFoxx:

Captain_Murdoch: Yeah, the CC font stuff should be initialized as needed

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EnderTheThird:

that would be a great idea for me, as HD recordings are destroying my 85GB at the moment, heh

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GreyFoxx:

why prescale/cache in ram 49 font sizes if you are most likely not gonna need it ? :)

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Squeee:

Torg, I have a roomate that is a mac fiend. He uses h.264 for all of his dvd's he rips and they look amazing for their size. I would think it would be the same with hdtv

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Torg:

I have seen a vew h.264s that look fine, I never tied transcoding to compare tho

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cecil:

can anyone get to ivtvdriver.org?

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hads:

Not right now

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Torg:

The server at ivtvdriver.org is taking too long to respond.

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BSD_Tech:

hey all

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BSD_Tech:

anyone here use a tvtorrent and mythtv insted of a tv tunner card ?

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cecil:

hads, Torg thanks

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hads:

BSD_Tech: I don't know what tvtorrent is but torrents and such don't get discussed here.

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Torg:

tvtorent is a torrent site that has illegal torrents ripped from tv

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Torg:

sorry illegal in the US torrents

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BSD_Tech:

I pay for the site I use

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BSD_Tech:

20 bucks a month

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BSD_Tech:

and they say they are 100%legal

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Torg:

pay for it or not, the content you download is still illegal

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BSD_Tech:

I will have to confirm

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hads:

Yeah, that sort of thing doesn't get discussed here.

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kormoc:

BSD_Tech, http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/index.php/FAQ#Bittorrent

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BSD_Tech:

ok

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gotthardt:

im having a prob: 0% DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Table './mythconverg/recordedseek' is marked as crashed and last (automatic?) repair failed

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gotthardt:

Repairing tables

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gotthardt:

mythconverg.recordedseek

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gotthardt:

error : 5 when fixing table

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gotthardt:

error : 5 when trying to write bufferts

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gotthardt:

status : Operation failed

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Torg:

mysqlcheck mythconverg

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Torg:

shut down mythbackend, mythfrontend and anything that is using the datbase

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Torg:

disconnect from mysql, and run that command

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gotthardt:

sudo mysqlcheck --auto-repair --all-databases -u mythtv -pmythtv

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gotthardt:

i had shut down the backend

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gotthardt:

ill try with what you wrote

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Torg:

add -r to it to do the repairs

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gotthardt:

ok

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Torg:

but without it, it will show the errors, if it can

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gotthardt:

here is without the -r: error : Table './mythconverg/recordedseek' is marked as crashed and last (aut

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gotthardt:

omatic?) repair failed

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Torg:

now run it with -r or --auto-repair

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gotthardt:

ok – running now

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hads:

auto-repair doesn't always work.

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hads:

for some reason

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Torg:

it cant fix corrupt keys

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gotthardt:

here is output:

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gotthardt:

mythconverg.recordedseek

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gotthardt:

error : 5 when fixing table

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gotthardt:

error : 5 when trying to write bufferts

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gotthardt:

status : Operation failed

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xris:

there's always optimize_mythdb.pl to do all of that automatically....

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hads:

Good point

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gotthardt:

i couldnt find what error 5 was

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xris:

though from the sounds of things, that's a hard crash, not repairable

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Torg:

how many recordings do you have with custom edits?

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gotthardt:

i can live wtihout them – i just want things to work again

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Torg:

ok try mysql mythconverg

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gotthardt:

maybe 4 left

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Torg:

then REPAIR TABLE recordseek;

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Torg:

if that fails your gona have to do some surgury

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xris:

gotthardt: you could always just wipe the recordedseek table and rebuild the entries

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Torg:

if you want to do it 100% correct its "mysql -u mythtv -p -h <mysqlhost> mythconverg" and log in as mythtv

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gotthardt:

i put in : REPAIR TABLE recordedseek;

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Torg:

yes xris I was getting there :)

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gotthardt:

+--------------------------+--------+----------+-------------------------------- -+

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gotthardt:

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gotthardt:

+--------------------------+--------+----------+-------------------------------- -+

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gotthardt:

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gotthardt:

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gotthardt:

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gotthardt:

+--------------------------+--------+----------+-------------------------------- -+

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kormoc:

gotthardt, please don't flood the channel

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hads:

Ug, use a pastebin

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Torg:

ok type quit

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gotthardt:

sorry – i think it is useful

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xris:

gotthardt: ok, you're SOL on the repair, then... just type: TRUNCATE TABLE recordedseek;

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Torg:

next try "mysqldump mythconverg recordedseek > recordedseek.sql"

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gotthardt:

ok that worked

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Torg:

ok forget what I said then

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Torg:

just start mythbackend back up

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xris:

Torg: that's weird. can't usually dump when the table is f'd up

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Torg:

yes I know, sometimes I have been able to get partial dumps

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xris:

recordedseek isn't important, though. easily rebuild via mythcommflag

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Torg:

I was gona have him dump what he could, truncate the table and reload what data he could

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Torg:

realistly tho I was just goan have him reflagg evrythiugn :)

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xris:

seek != flag

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xris:

seek is JUST the seek table

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xris:

takes like 45 secs to rebuild

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Torg:

I thoguht thats where it stored the edit flags, no?

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Torg:

e.g. where mythcommflagg edits are stored

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gotthardt:

thanks all – i can transcode again

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xris:

gotthardt: you'll need to rerun mythcommflag with the command to rebuild the seektable

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kormoc:

Torg, I thought filemarkup was flags

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xris:

Torg: no, that's recordedmarkup

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xris:

kormoc: filemarkup is for files (mythvideo), not recordings.

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kormoc:

ahh, gotcha

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gotthardt:

xris: sorry im not swift on all – what is the command to rebuild the seektable?

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gotthardt:

nvm – i googled it – thanks for the help

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SlicerDicer-:

hey xris

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SlicerDicer-:

you seen food in HD?

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** SlicerDicer- has food HD :) **

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: haven't.. but cool

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xris:

question is, can you *record* food in hd?

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: yes I can

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: really? cable?

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SlicerDicer-:

yep

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SlicerDicer-:

firewhire

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xris:

nice

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SlicerDicer-:

yep

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SlicerDicer-:

same with National Geographic and Discovery

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xris:

maybe comcast here will pick up foodhd, then

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SlicerDicer-:

yeah

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SlicerDicer-:

there was other channels too

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SlicerDicer-:

I cant remember though

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SlicerDicer-:

A&E HD and HGTV HD got those too

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xris:

nice

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Dagmar:

Man why the hell would you need the Food channel in HD?

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SlicerDicer-:

aye

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Dagmar:

Bulemia?

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SlicerDicer-:

Dagmar: cause its good to see the sizzle

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xris:

Dagmar: the better to see the tasty stuff?

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SlicerDicer-:

duh?

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Dagmar:

I suppose this is why I'm nowhere close to overweight.

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SlicerDicer-:

;-)

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Dagmar:

I'm sorry, but looking closely at food in high-detail doesn't interest me

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SlicerDicer-:

food network teaches you how to eat healthy if you want too

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SlicerDicer-:

its not like I sit around MMMMM doughnuts

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Dagmar:

...probably because I can actually cook with the stove and I still don't bother most of the time

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: I will snag a good eats in HD and get a clippy for ya so you can check it out

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xris:

no biggie

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xris:

it'll eventually start showing here and then I'll just start re-archiving it...

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xris:

granted, encoding HD into h.264 is SLOW....

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xris:

14+ hours to rip 46ish minutes of 1080i down to deinterlaced 720i

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SlicerDicer-:

ohh and my food processor, blender, juicer, mixer etc http://idisk.mac.com/slicerdicer/Public/kitchenaidstuff.jpg&n bsp;:)

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: 14 hours?!?!?!

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SlicerDicer-:

holy crap

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: on the pentium d, no less

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: is there any way to cut that?

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SlicerDicer-:

like use a G5 maybe?

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: sure. it's only 11 hours if I do single pass

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Dagmar:

SlicerDicer-: There are no nipples in those pictures.

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SlicerDicer-:

would that help?

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SlicerDicer-:

ooof course not Dagmar

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SlicerDicer-:

thats kitchen stuff for cooking hence food network reference :)

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Dagmar:

Do you guys have to scrounge in the bushes for food where you live?

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SlicerDicer-:

?

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t0ny-p40:

xris, you need a quad core box :)

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Dagmar:

I'm just still baffled by this, since I can easily go out and watch people cook this stuff in person.

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xris:

t0ny-p40: I accept donations. :)

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Dagmar:

Ultra super duper high def

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t0ny-p40:

err a dual daul-core box :)

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t0ny-p40:

err = or

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xris:

Dagmar: costs more?

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t0ny-p40:

me = tired and broke

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: how well would a G5 do the crunching as say a slavebackend?

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Dagmar:

xris: Not more than an HD cable subscription

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Dagmar:

...and I also know cooks.

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xris:

Dagmar: HD for me is $5/month

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Dagmar:

See, this is because you're not here.

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Dagmar:

HERE, HD is $90/month

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xris:

granted, sending my wife to pastry school was about $10k, and I don't get to watch her, either.

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xris:

Dagmar: on top of regular cable?

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Dagmar:

Dude...

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Dagmar:

No, it's freaking $90/month for HD, when SD is $35

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SlicerDicer-:

file a complaint Dagmar with the franchise authority

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xris:

here it's just $5/month box upgrade from digital cable.

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Dagmar:

Hahah

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SlicerDicer-:

thats crazy

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Dagmar:

This is the US

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Dagmar:

There is no francise authority.;

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t0ny-p40:

xris, same here

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Dagmar:

The PSC is a farce

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t0ny-p40:

I

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xris:

Dagmar: what provider?

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SlicerDicer-:

umm Dagmar dude are you oblivious?

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t0ny-p40:

I'm paying $100 for digital cable with hbo and 3mbit internet

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Dagmar:

They *would* be the people to complain to, but they have never, in the last 20 years, done anything to anyone

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SlicerDicer-:

your town file with them duh? I mean seriously

[05:40:09]

Dagmar:

I have actually been to their offices before to report issues

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t0ny-p40:

xris, I would too if I had the money

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t0ny-p40:

I want fiber :)

[05:40:33]

xris:

t0ny-p40: saves me about $100/month in hosting bills.

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Dagmar:

It's an office of about 12 people with 8 more in satellite offices, and basically, all they do is summarize what people complain about, so they can show it to senators if one of them asks.

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Dagmar:

THey basically do nothing

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t0ny-p40:

We have 15mbit fiber at the Warhawk Air Museum where I volunteer.... For free!!!

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DFG:

morning

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Dagmar:

Still soaking up caffiene

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Dagmar:

I am going to have to strace dbus

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pheaver:

greetings, room

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pheaver:

i'm trying to setup mythtv with the backend and frontend on different servers. should i install things like mythweb and mythflix on the frontend computer or the backend computer?

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DFG:

pheaver: I think that mythweb should be on backend, sounds logical to me

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pheaver:

hmmm, ok, thanks

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hads:

Yeah

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hads:

It doesn't really matter. But that's what I'd do.

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juski:

morny

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Saviq:

Hi guys, will PIII 666 be enough for Myth playing divxes, dvds and recording / timeshifting DVB?

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Dagmar:

That will play SD content, but you should _really_ check the HOWTO which explains why that won't be enough

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Saviq:

yeah it's something to work "in the meantime" :)

[08:34:15]

Saviq:

until I'll find something good for my HTPC

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Dagmar:

Just build something

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hads:

Asus make some useful motherboards for HTPC stuff

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Saviq:

yeah but it's not cheap here, that's why I need to wait

[08:40:59]

hads:

Fair enough.

[08:41:10]

Saviq:

what's the 'insert' component? I've used myth before, but can't recall what it was

[08:41:36]

hads:

Huh?

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Saviq:

aah nevermind

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Saviq:

I'm just stupid ;)

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hads:

:)

[08:42:24]

Saviq:

I was almost decided about buying Mac Mini for my HTPC

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Saviq:

but having DVB tuner outside of the box was just too damn stupid for me....

[08:43:29]

Saviq:

other than that, Mac Mini would be a beautiful choice...

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hads:

Yeah, those sorts of things make a good frontend, but for a backend you want something with a bit of space.

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Saviq:

and as I don't need a separate front/backend for now, I've decided not to dive into this

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hads:

A micro ATX board and a nice case does well for a combined FE/BE if you don't need too much space.

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pthorin:

Is there any way to jump to the mythmusic playlist from the main menu?

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** juski hands out copies of the manual for the non-regulars to read **

[09:05:25]

sid3windr:

okay, I'll refine my question of 2 days ago – say I have a remote mythbackend box, and I want to do livetv watching from there, what is the minimal bandwidth required?

[09:05:36]

pthorin:

juski: I looked at the http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Menu_the . . . opment_guide and I'm guessing that the section called Helpful Tips would apply, but you can never be sure

[09:05:48]

sid3windr:

the backend machine will be a 1GHz machine, with a simple framegrabber card

[09:06:07]

sid3windr:

thanks for any tips in advance :)

[09:07:03]

pthorin:

especially since the Special Actions section lists JUMP as ???

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DFG:

does anyone have experiece about xbox frontend?

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juski:

DFG: yes, it's crap

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pat__:

don't people with xboxen use xbmc?

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DFG:

really.. why?

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juski:

xbox only has 32MB usable RAM. linux & X in 32MB RAM is SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

[09:45:07]

juski:

pthorin: see http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Keybindings

[09:46:09]

DFG:

is it unusable ?..or just shitty to use?

[09:46:52]

juski:

pthorin: oops: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Jump_points

[09:49:17]

juski:

it's hardly usable

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juski:

and I tried the latest XBMC with xbmcmythtv at the weekend – it didn't work – not one bit of it

[09:50:19]

DFG:

:(

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DFG:

metallica – harvester of sorrow

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pthorin:

juski: thanks

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juski:

just thinking ya know – maybe it'd be possible to make minimyth work with the xbox

[10:05:53]

juski:

bah scratch that

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pat__:

not worth it

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anykey_:

morning

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sid3windr:

hads: well, my backend would be referred to over an internet line ;/

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hads:

No idea sorry, the Internet access we have here is no where near fast enough for that.

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sid3windr:

hehe

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sid3windr:

I think the one where I want the box isn't either ;/

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sid3windr:

at home I have 2Mbit up

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hads:

I doubt that would cut it

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sid3windr:

ye

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sid3windr:

and here it's even less

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sid3windr:

:/

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sid3windr:

when I'm at home again I'll turn on livetv and see what the bandwidth usage on the frontend is :)

[10:51:12]

sid3windr:

would have been cool though, placing a backend in another country and being able to watch that stuff at home :>

[10:52:01]

hads:

Would be very cool. But you'd need loads of bandwidth (which probably means money :)

[10:52:52]

juski:

you could prolly set the recording profile to only take 1mbit but it'd look shitty

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juski:

as I said last night you're about as likely to see placeshifting support in mythtv as an official bittorrent plugin

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sid3windr:

:-)

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juski:

that means it's likely to never happen :)

[10:57:42]

sid3windr:

figured that :P

[10:58:04]

** sid3windr wonders if one could get catv connection in the nearest datacenter **

[10:58:13]

sid3windr:

that'll get expensive again, another cable subscription :p

[10:58:52]

sid3windr:

on a completely unrelated note, is there a viewer frontend for windows to view mythtv livetv?

[10:59:14]

juski:

no

[10:59:53]

juski:

there's now enough info for somebody to be able to write one – but so far nobody has yet been sufficiently motivated

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Dibblah:

Especially since it makes more sense to wait for wider qt4 acceptance.

[11:29:05]

Dibblah:

... Which should make a Windows port of the true frontend much easier.

[11:29:47]

juski:

what I mean is nothing has been stopping somebody from even *trying* to do a halfway decent app

[11:30:38]

juski:

nobody has bothered looking into making a plugin to use mythtv from another app either, other than the python xbmc stuff

[11:30:43]

Dibblah:

There have been... attempts.

[11:31:18]

juski:

if something like geexbox ever supported it I could see myself using that

[11:31:19]

Zider:

"they tried and failed?" "they tried and died"

[11:31:31]

Dibblah:

Personally, I really don't see the point.

[11:31:52]

Dibblah:

But, more power to whoever decides to use their time in that way.

[11:31:53]

juski:

fast booting, very small footprint...

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Dibblah:

Windows?!?!?!?

[11:32:07]

juski:

no

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Dibblah:

Whew.

[11:32:26]

Dibblah:

Thought I'd dropped into an alternate dimension or something.

[11:33:51]

juski:

think in terms of a TV appliance & mythfrontend itself starts to look very bloated – not necessarily the code itself but everything that goes with it

[11:41:38]

pat__:

can someone give me a quick howto on how to mount some random mountpoint in minimyth?

[11:41:49]

pat__:

ie, not one of the ones specified in minimyth.conf

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Zider:

it should work like in any other distro

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juski:

pat__: minimyth.script

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juski:

put "mkdir $somedir; mount ip.add.re.ss:/$dir $somedir" in the script. ta-da

[11:44:09]

juski:

the docs & the forums both mention how to do that

[11:44:36]

juski:

oh and in the latest version of minimyth (ends in 22) you'll need to enable running the script in minimyth.conf or it won't work

[11:47:07]

pat__:

juski, ta (I'd been reading the docs, and didn't find that)

[11:47:33]

pat__:

juski, just tried blootube-wide and it has paused for a while on "watch recordings"

[11:47:43]

juski:

wha?

[11:47:48]

juski:

pasued for a while?!

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juski:

meaning?

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pat__:

ie, I pressed the button to go into the menu

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pat__:

and it hung

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juski:

you've run out of memory

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pat__:

with 1 gig?

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juski:

yup

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pat__:

crikey

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pat__:

blootubelite for me

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Ribs:

blootube is the shit

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** Ribs loves it **

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juski:

blootube is deprecated!

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Ribs:

oh

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Ribs:

blootube-wide ?

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pat__:

720 x 576

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juski:

not gonna be updating my 4:3 themes from now on

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Ribs:

ah

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** Ribs is using the widescreen one anyway **

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Dagmar:

Hmm.. Having a bit better luck with VDubMod this time

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Dagmar:

The darn fill filter is insane tho

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juski:

whoah! massive peak in hits on my site...

[11:59:12]

juski:

from the knoppmyth forums of all places

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Dagmar:

The first round I tried to use it to fill the top 3 scan lines (where I'm getting spurious VBI crap) with black, and on the output it filled everything _but_ that with black

[11:59:35]

Dagmar:

Wow that means people actually read the KnoppMyth forums

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Dagmar:

Cra-a-a-a-azy

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Zider:

hehe

[12:01:26]

juski:

haven't had a hit from the mythtv wiki for quite some months

[12:01:58]

juski:

get more from swik.net than the wiki

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pat__:

crashy backend, restarted it and blootube-wide works fine

[12:03:15]

juski:

heheh why'd that be concern?

[12:03:17]

pat__:

yay me!

[12:03:37]

juski:

most popular theme is blootube non-wide. oh dear!

[12:03:39]

juski:

muhahahaha

[12:03:53]

Dagmar:

I just about went into hiding over that article I wrote on Memestreams to try and explain the Cisco thing

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** pat__ installs blootube (non-wide) **

[12:04:22]

Dagmar:

People from practically every gov't security agency were reading it

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juski:

ppfff.. ouchy

[12:04:57]

Dagmar:

My general approach to dealing with those guys is *not* to attract attention to myself, but at least it took some of the heat off Mike.

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juski:

this might be a coincidence but not only have hits from the wiki receded, IE is no longer the most used browser by a long way

[12:06:01]

juski:

I should adapt my css to totally fuck it up in IE & get it to 0% IE usage

[12:06:12]

Dagmar:

Heh

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Dagmar:

I used to have a variable check in my webserver that redirected all IE users to a page that looked like their idea of a 404, but if you read closely it said "Your browser is too lame to view this site."

[12:07:03]

Dagmar:

Helloooo hate mails

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juski:

just infect them to teach em a lesson

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juski:

"if you'd used firefox, your c: drive would not be being formatted"

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Zider:

juski: stupid users? :P

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Dagmar:

juski: There's plenty of sites I could have 403 redirected them to if I wanted that

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Dagmar:

OOoo... someone in my neck of the woods

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fryfrog_:

do you have to be signed up to the mailing list to send stuff to it?

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juski:

duh yeah

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fryfrog:

k

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pat__:

juski: ta for the themes, they're really nice

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pat__:

wife has approved

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fryfrog:

what if i want to reply to a message that came *before* I signed up to the list? Can I just create my own copied "Re: blah blah" and it'll register okay?

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Dagmar:

WEll, it won't thread on most mail clients, but it's not going to cause any flipper baby births.

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fryfrog:

hehe

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Dagmar:

If you wanna get kinky and manually inject an In-Reply-To: header with the proper message ID, you can, but people should be able to figure it out

[12:34:39]

Dagmar:

By the way, there's some real fun to be had with those

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fryfrog:

i wonder if gmail will let me mess with "in reply to"

[12:35:01]

fryfrog:

prolly not

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Dagmar:

Some crappy windows mail clients freak out when trying to thread email A in reply to email B in reply to email C which appears to be in reply to email A.

[12:36:35]

Dagmar:

...but you did not hear this from me. ;)

[12:36:39]

fryfrog:

haha, stupid question

[12:36:42]

fryfrog:

what is the users mailing list addy?

[12:36:52]

fryfrog:

i *think* it is "mythtv-users@mythtv.org "?

[12:38:45]

Dagmar:

Heh. My gf is having me extract an interview from The Daily Show for her psych class.

[12:39:04]

Dagmar:

I can't help myself. I had to stick http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/fair_use.png at the front of it

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praet:

haha great

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praet:

what software are you running to clip

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Dagmar:

I wound up having to use VirtualDubMod

[12:43:04]

Dagmar:

I could have used the editor in Myth but there's other bits of that show I'd like to keep around as well

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fryfrog:

anyone paying attention use firewire for their setup?

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kslater:

props to the mythtv developers again. Had a situation where I wanted to override my normal scheduling arrangement and make 24 record off the lesser machine's HD OTA card. It was a snap. Take that Tivo or cable DVR.

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juski:

props are no use. send bails of cash/drugs to the usual address...

[13:24:18]

kslater:

will do

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kslater:

at one time in the past some folks had wishlists on Amazon or somewhere. That was a nice way to pay back.

[13:25:15]

kslater:

Bought someone a frying pan I seem to recall.

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Sammex:

anyone know if club 3d 9250 i compatble with mythtv?

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juski:

avoid ATI VGA cards like the plague

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Sammex:

huh? why?

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GreyFoxx:

ATI's linux drivers are flaky, poor performing, and not regularly supported or maintained

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GreyFoxx:

so while yes it's possible to get working, often it's with more effort or problems than people are willing to live with

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GreyFoxx:

Nvidias drivers are well maintained, new releases often, and worked pretty much without any effort for almost everyone

[14:49:40]

juski:

so as usual the question is not "is $CARD compatible with MythTV?" – it's "is $CARD compatible with Linux?"

[14:51:20]

fryfrog:

that said, if you already *have* an ati card, it isn't *that* bad

[14:51:56]

Dagmar:

It's better than shoving a piece of aged cheddar into the slot.

[14:52:02]

fryfrog:

but if you are *buying* a card, or have your choice... nvidia is where its at *now*

[14:52:15]

Dagmar:

...but at least you can eat the cheese if you don't like the way it works.

[14:52:36]

fryfrog:

nah, its better than some old matrox or something :)

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Sammex:

:)

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Sammex:

thx for answer

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GreyFoxx:

mmmmm Aged cheddar

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fryfrog:

okay, so i have a pair of recordings that are *stuck* comm-flagging

[15:05:19]

fryfrog:

i tried deleting them from the jobqueue table, but they just re-appear

[15:05:30]

fryfrog:

is there some way i can remove them from commflagging?

[15:05:34]

fryfrog:

er, stop them from trying to

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juski:

killall $everything

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jduggan_:

'reboot'

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jduggan_:

:o

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fryfrog:

ah, smart but they just start right back up again after that

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juski:

job control in the 'status' part of the info menus

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fryfrog:

k, i'll fire up the ol x11vnc :)

[15:20:43]

fryfrog:

aw crap, that FE is using OpenGL which doesn't refresh in x11vnc

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fryfrog:

is there a way to edit in the db?

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fryfrog:

humm, or i could turn off opengl

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juski:

mythfrontend -O OpenGLPainter=0 or something

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GreyFoxx:

-O ThemePainter=qt

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GreyFoxx:

will override for that one session

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juski:

or something ^^^

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fryfrog:

prolly in the wiki

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fryfrog:

ah thanks :) mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt

[15:22:03]

juski:

eep I've still got an entry in my jobqueue from 2005

[15:22:15]

fryfrog:

damn, stupid cron job starting it up every 1 min!

[15:23:34]

juski:

anybody – job 9 in this list (http://www.pastebin.ca/422563) – can I just do away with it? no idea what it is...

[15:24:51]

fryfrog:

thanks juski, hope it works :)

[15:25:28]

juski:

too late – delete from jobqueue where id=9; – got shot of it

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fryfrog:

hehe

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juski:

I have a backup from 6am today, so if anything fried I'll be fine

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Torg:

yes I get it allthe time

[15:32:15]

Torg:

its one of my custom patches to take out those messages

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

it can't be *that* bad cause in general the recordings play fine :)

[15:33:18]

fryfrog:

sure does make it hard to look through a lot file though

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Torg:

yes it usualy means a frame was screwed uo

[15:34:43]

Torg:

since it tales a whole IPB really more like IPPPPPBPPPPPB its not even noticable

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Torg:

sorry takes a whole one to make one frame

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fryfrog:

ah

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Torg:

besides mpeg makes it so that if you have a scrwe up frame it can use the P frames to recreate the I and B

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Torg:

in fact sometimes they are P frames

[15:36:34]

offset:

Has anyone been able to get mvpmc working properly, and if you have, what version of mythtv are you using?

[15:36:49]

jimbalaya:

how big does the mysql database get, generally?

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Dagmar:

Depends on use

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Torg:

how many tuners? how many channels? how many scredules? how many times did you record something?

[15:37:57]

Torg:

listings by far take the most space, so how many channels is moxtly what takes space

[15:38:41]

jimbalaya:

one or two tuners, it's standard cable so about 100 channels, and i haven't used it yet so i figured a ballpark "1g if you barely use it up to 20g if you record everything you see"

[15:38:55]

jimbalaya:

i'm not looking for anything I can quote you all on or anything :-)

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offset:

jimbalaya: my database is currently 84.4 MB with one tuner

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Torg:

its also posible you have one of the distros that rutn on binary logging by deafultr

[15:40:13]

jimbalaya:

when i add another tuner, should i expect to double my db?

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Torg:

if your using binary logging, turn it off, unless you want to do replication

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Kritter:

not if it's the same channel line up.

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jimbalaya:

ok

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juski:

jimbalaya: my db uses er... so little it's inconsequential really – think <1GB

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Torg:

or if you want to keep the crash recovery at least clear your master logs

[15:41:22]

Torg:

root@jachin:/var/lib/mysql/mythconverg# du -sk .

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Torg:

158520 .

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juski:

265076 /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg

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Torg:

I would suspect juski's database to have been running as long as mine

[15:42:17]

Torg:

mine is 14 channels, two atsc tuners, and about 2 years of recorded data

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juski:

3 tuners...

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juski:

I've done my time for today. hometime :)

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jimbalaya:

thanks for helping me out w/ the DB size info ... I'm the kind of person with <1g drives lying around, which I find are good for linux systems

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sECuRE_:

how can i watch livetv while recording it with two clients at the same time?

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Torg:

clients dont record tv

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Torg:

mythfrontend plays video from mythbackend

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Torg:

mythbackend has tuners, and records

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BSD_Tech:

hey all

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BSD_Tech:

can you tell me if this card is supported ?

[15:53:27]

BSD_Tech:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . d=1&rd=1

[15:54:21]

Torg:

yes, supprt for it in dvb has been off and on tho

[15:54:41]

Torg:

the hardest thing you are going to run into is to get the firmware for the tuner

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BSD_Tech:

ok

[15:54:50]

Torg:

other then that, I have two of them myself

[15:55:11]

Torg:

0000:00:0b.0 Network controller: Techsan Electronics Co Ltd B2C2 FlexCopII DVB chip / Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card (rev 02)

[15:55:12]

Torg:

0000:00:0d.0 Network controller: Techsan Electronics Co Ltd B2C2 FlexCopII DVB chip / Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card (rev 02)

[15:55:13]

BSD_Tech:

it lacks a remote tho

[15:55:21]

BSD_Tech:

nice

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Kritter:

many cards do.

[15:55:33]

Kritter:

the auction dude is selling remotes

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Torg:

your card shouldnt have a remote, your seriral port should

[15:55:41]

Torg:

thats just my option tho

[15:56:01]

BSD_Tech:

I want a remote

[15:56:04]

Torg:

I personly dont even use my remote, I use an RF keyboard

[15:56:14]

Kritter:

so spend the extra $14 and get the remote the guy is selling.

[15:56:16]

ubuntuEdgy:

what skin do you guys use with mythtv ?

[15:56:26]

Torg:

then get a serial to IR reciever and use any remote you can find that you like

[15:56:31]

BSD_Tech:

I need remote and I have a ir keyboard and mouse

[15:56:32]

Torg:

even the $10 all in one ones

[15:56:42]

BSD_Tech:

ok

[15:56:51]

BSD_Tech:

then I have to make a ir port

[15:57:00]

Kritter:

I must be on ignore.

[15:57:04]

Torg:

the remote hes selling uses a serual to ir recover conected to a 9 pin serial

[15:57:21]

Torg:

I had issues with it as it was behind the comptuer, in the media rack, between the wall

[15:58:33]

BSD_Tech:

I have a serial cable I can place anywhere

[15:58:39]

BSD_Tech:

and plug it onto

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ubuntuEdgy:

sorry i mean theme , what theme do you all use on the frontend .

[15:58:46]

Torg:

ok then use it

[15:58:55]

Torg:

bluetoobe-wide

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Kritter:

Retro.

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ubuntuEdgy:

you don't like eye candy and animations ?

[16:01:13]

Torg:

if it ain't broke......

[16:02:16]

ubuntuEdgy:

nah talking about improvement .........................

[16:02:30]

ubuntuEdgy:

;)

[16:05:54]

Torg:

im still running 12354 so untill bug 3031 is fixed (minor my ass) I can not update anything

[16:06:01]

BSD_Tech:

ok got the remote I will have the unit in 3 days

[16:07:06]

Torg:

http://www.linuxtv.org/downloads/firmware/dvb-fe-bcm3510-01.fw

[16:07:15]

Torg:

for a backend or for both a backend and frontend?

[16:07:52]

BSD_Tech:

ok

[16:07:56]

BSD_Tech:

gotit

[16:08:06]

BSD_Tech:

thanks

[16:08:37]

BSD_Tech:

both its going to replace a dead tevo

[16:08:44]

Torg:

it cant

[16:08:51]

BSD_Tech:

it have the needed video out ports

[16:09:12]

Torg:

its not powerfull enough to play HD content

[16:10:22]

BSD_Tech:

should be more then powerfull enough

[16:10:51]

Torg:

you get it to work, without framedropping and without stuttering, you come tell us, ok?

[16:10:55]

BSD_Tech:

it plays avi now

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Kritter:

avi is not HD.

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BSD_Tech:

ok

[16:11:15]

BSD_Tech:

what does it store the video as

[16:11:29]

Torg:

avi is a FAR cry from HD, esp the ATSC your going to get with that card

[16:11:31]

BSD_Tech:

what format

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Torg:

mpeg2

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Torg:

mp2g/ac3 what its broadcast in

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Torg:

the card dodnt really do anything other then strip teh mpeg from teh ts stream and store it

[16:12:32]

BSD_Tech:

ok but the playback is threw the connected lcd

[16:12:42]

BSD_Tech:

I will test it

[16:12:58]

Torg:

your planning on displaying 1080 and 720 content on a 4:3 LCD?

[16:13:05]

BSD_Tech:

I had freevo ond a bt card before and it wirked fine

[16:13:20]

BSD_Tech:

I phave a Plasma screen

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BSD_Tech:

not lcd

[16:13:27]

BSD_Tech:

sorry

[16:13:29]

Torg:

whats its resolution?

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BSD_Tech:

it can do 1280X1024

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BSD_Tech:

no problem

[16:14:11]

Torg:

thats not HD

[16:14:15]

Torg:

and it *IS* a problem

[16:14:21]

Torg:

its also 4:3

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BSD_Tech:

it can go higer but never needed to

[16:14:33]

Torg:

can it do 1920x1080?

[16:14:40]

BSD_Tech:

let me find the paperwork on the unit

[16:14:59]

Torg:

well first off its easy to tell, is it a widescreen display?

[16:15:06]

Torg:

is it wider then it is high?

[16:15:20]

BSD_Tech:

its a widescreen plasma

[16:15:30]

BSD_Tech:

I payed 4 grand for

[16:15:43]

Torg:

then it displays 1280x1024 lettboxed

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BSD_Tech:

and had a tvtuner built in

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BSD_Tech:

looking for the specs give me a min

[16:16:28]

BSD_Tech:

its a sony screen looking for my spec sheet on it

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Torg:

well if it has a tv tuner built in, i would think its proably a native 720P disply that can do 1080I

[16:17:36]

Torg:

its posible you can get a 1080P LCD today for about $4000 so it may do 1080P as well

[16:18:34]

BSD_Tech:

so it should be fine

[16:18:36]

Torg:

ok then at least you dont have to up/down sample the video

[16:18:59]

Torg:

I still belive your system it be underpowerd to play the streams, but dont belive me, go try it

[16:19:23]

BSD_Tech:

its building now and I will install the card when it gets here

[16:19:42]

Torg:

is it conncted to the tv and running now?

[16:20:03]

BSD_Tech:

I am building the unit now

[16:20:15]

BSD_Tech:

I just got it built lastnight

[16:20:26]

BSD_Tech:

but the plasma is playing tv

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Torg:

ok when its built go to http://www.w6rz.net/ and get one of the 1920x1080 streams and see how it behaves

[16:21:37]

BSD_Tech:

ok

[16:21:49]

BSD_Tech:

I book marked the page

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Torg:

avi dosnt even come close to that

[16:24:46]

Torg:

and it why the quality is so terible

[16:24:56]

BSD_Tech:

understand

[16:25:14]

BSD_Tech:

I just want to replace the freevo box that blew up

[16:25:31]

BSD_Tech:

and I heard that mythtv was better nowdays

[16:25:35]

BSD_Tech:

then freevo

[16:25:47]

Torg:

better is a matter of opnion

[16:26:05]

BSD_Tech:

ok better support and better development

[16:26:28]

Torg:

again, better is a matter of opinion

[16:27:23]

BSD_Tech:

ok

[16:27:30]

BSD_Tech:

have you played with both

[16:27:40]

BSD_Tech:

I also like it has a caller id plugin

[16:27:41]

Torg:

yes

[16:27:53]

BSD_Tech:

and you chose myth I see

[16:27:56]

Torg:

or more like I run mythtv, and I have tried freevo

[16:28:02]

BSD_Tech:

ok

[16:28:24]

Torg:

I wasnt telling you it wasnt better, but the fact I belive it is better (and the fact you do) is a matter of opnionion

[16:28:35]

Torg:

we simply share the same opionion, thats all. Still its just opionion

[16:30:23]

BSD_Tech:

ok

[16:32:51]

jimbalaya:

are there any debian-specific documents regarding mythtv that any of you would recommend? i have found a few but they seem either old or not detailed enough

[16:36:00]

Torg:

how easy do you want to do it :)

[16:36:52]

Torg:

1) get Knoppmyth and install it

[16:37:01]

Torg:

2) update it via apt-get upgrade

[16:37:21]

Torg:

3) get a new kenrel from kernel.org, compile it, and relilo

[16:37:34]

Torg:

4) apt-get remove all the mythtv packges

[16:37:53]

Torg:

5) svn a version of mythtv (probbly 20-fixes)

[16:38:00]

Torg:

voila, a debain system :)

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jimbalaya:

hehe, well, i'm doing a few other things as well ... so i'm starting w/ a tiny debian install and going up from there – initially i'm looking at all the versions of mythtv, and lirc that are available through apt

[16:39:32]

Torg:

depnding on capture card you may need to do your own kernel

[16:39:47]

Torg:

and depndong on feature functionality you are looking for you may want to compile your own mythtv

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Torg:

other then that, apt-get qorks fine

[16:40:18]

Torg:

id HIGHLY suggest you stay with debian stable

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jimbalaya:

i usually do my own kernel, so that's something i'm somewhat prepared for ... it's the apt-getting modules that confuses me (but that might be because my experience w/ that was with ndiswrapper, which uses some windows components)

[16:41:19]

Torg:

dpkg is a package system

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jimbalaya:

and lirc seems to be a module, which i'm hoping won't break w/ kernel upgrades/updates

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Torg:

apt-get is one of the toold

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Torg:

apt-get update will update your repositories (whats out there)

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Torg:

apt-get install <pacakge> will install a single package

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Torg:

aptitue will make it so you can do dependancies as well

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Torg:

I would also suggest you get aptitude

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jimbalaya:

apt-get install <name> will sort dependencies

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Torg:

lirc is a program and has a kernel driver

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Torg:

sorry ther eisnt a kernel drive, my ir reciver has one so I hav eone

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Torg:

its just a program

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jimbalaya:

lirc-modules-source – Linux Infra-red Remote Control support (kernel modules) ... not needed?

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jimbalaya:

i'm not at my debian computer, so i have to use packages.debian.org

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Torg:

ok maybe it is part of lirc then, I dont use it often enough to really track the thing

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Torg:

I compiled it once, installed it, made sure it worked, and never used it again

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jimbalaya:

it's for the remote, right?

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Torg:

yes its for a remote

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jimbalaya:

i see, just the initial config – then it does its thing

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Torg:

more like trach it the remote buttons, if your luck use a predefined one

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Torg:

run the deamon

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Torg:

create a def file for mythtv

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Torg:

and run frontend

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Torg:

there is an entire section about it on the mythtv wiki

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jimbalaya:

hm, and also a section about Etch

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Balachmar:

Hi, I have a question about dvd recording

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Balachmar:

I want to burn a recording to dvdrw for playback on a standalone dvd player

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Balachmar:

But it doesn't work, the dvd is recorded and works on the computer, but it doesn't work on a standalone dvd player

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Pryon:

are you just burning the file to the disc?

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Torg:

how did you burn it, and in what format?

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BSD_Tech:

thanks guys back ltr

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Balachmar:

I burned it using mytharchive

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Balachmar:

And I guess I know why it doesn't work.

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Balachmar:

I think it has to do with growisofs

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Balachmar:

Because I can burn the created iso myself with a script and then it works fine

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Balachmar:

The difference is that I pass the option -dvd-compat to growisofs

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Balachmar:

in the script which forces a lead-out

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Balachmar:

Which should improve compatibility

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Balachmar:

So I burn an actual dvd, with menu and the works :)

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BSD_Tech:

last question

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ByteChanger:

Jimbalaya: Hoochster has a pretty good guide that I used for Debian installs.

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BSD_Tech:

400gb sata dive should be enough right

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jimbalaya:

Hoochster?

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Pryon:

BSD_Tech: probably. I tend to use as much disk as I can stuff in a machine, though. :0)

[17:00:53]

BSD_Tech:

this case only holds 1 internal drive

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ByteChanger:

I sent ya a pm, He has a great guide imho.

[17:01:05]

BSD_Tech:

its a ultra slim case

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ByteChanger:

oh never mind... haha. can't send pm's...

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BSD_Tech:

?

[17:01:28]

ByteChanger:

dubdubdub hoochvdr.info

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Pryon:

Hmmm. You're recording HD?

[17:01:47]

Pryon:

in any case, more is better

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BSD_Tech:

ok

[17:02:01]

ByteChanger:

There is a section in there on MythTV installs.

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BSD_Tech:

welll I have a limited bugget

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juski:

he should put that section in the mythtv wiki :)

[17:02:15]

Pryon:

sure.

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ByteChanger:

Its based on VDR, but he has expanded it somewhat.

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BSD_Tech:

so the 400g drive will have to do

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Pryon:

BSD_Tech: How long that lasts depends totally on resolution and bitrate

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juski:

400GB is more than you get in the majority of consumer PVRs

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BSD_Tech:

ok

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BSD_Tech:

yeah I think most pvr are like 60 to 80 gig

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Pryon:

yikes

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juski:

so unless you want to keep _everything_ you ever record it'll be plenty for a good while

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BSD_Tech:

I know the dishnetwork you get either a 40 or 80

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juski:

tv is completely disposable

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BSD_Tech:

I want to move all my dvd's to the drive

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Kritter:

if you're keeping it you want to archive it smaller anyway.

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BSD_Tech:

and all my porn

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Kritter:

not that I've gotten nuvexport to produce a nice Xvid yet.

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BSD_Tech:

ahh

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juski:

avi isn't the best container for video ever invented

[17:05:10]

BSD_Tech:

no

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BSD_Tech:

but you have to use what you can

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Kritter:

I know it can look better than what I got out of it.

[17:05:30]

BSD_Tech:

I just go this unit for free

[17:05:35]

Kritter:

but that was first try.

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BSD_Tech:

so I thought I would make a mythtv out of it

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juski:

you get the best results from multi-pass encodes

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** Kritter did 2 pass. **

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BSD_Tech:

via c3 mini-itx sp-1300 with 1 gig ram

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BSD_Tech:

with svideo and compisit out

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Kritter:

but for some reason the file size was half of what I expected.

[17:06:42]

juski:

if only more consumer appliances supported open source formats...

[17:06:49]

BSD_Tech:

yeah

[17:07:08]

Kritter:

and I want to chop the widescreen fakeout bars from the stv SDtv feed.

[17:07:23]

RaYmAn-Bx:

BSD_Tech: you might want to stick away from dual-tuner cards with that mobo. At least, I could never get my Hauppauge PVR-500 working in it

[17:07:44]

BSD_Tech:

I got a single tuner card

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BSD_Tech:

since the plasma tv has a turner in it

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BSD_Tech:

so the myth can record while I watch tv

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Kritter:

in less than a week I abandoned live tv

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BSD_Tech:

someday when I have a job again I can but more powerfull equipment and make a bomming system

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juski:

uk users of radiotimes take note: apparently the problem with the guide data is only temporary & is expected to be fixed 'soon'. whether or not it'll be before 10th of April is as yet unknown

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anykey_:

Can't I capture RGB over S-Video with a PVR-500?

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psofa:

i think svideo doesnt support rgb signal

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anykey_:

ah ok

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fryfrog:

yar, that is correct

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anykey_:

well, quality is good-enough with "CVHS" anyway ;-)

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fryfrog:

and RGB isn't always RGB either

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fryfrog:

depending on what you are talking about

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fryfrog:

"component" is not actually Red, Green and Blue

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anykey_:

I can setup my stb to send RGB over "scart"

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fryfrog:

ah, scart

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fryfrog:

i *think* that *is* really RGB :)

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anykey_:

and I think scart _is_ capable of RGB..

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psofa:

not all scarts are rgb

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fryfrog:

but its *possible*

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psofa:

yeah

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fryfrog:

crazy EU bitches :)

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jimbalaya:

wow, that hoochvdr.info is *not* easy to navigate ....... do any of those modules work? :-P

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anykey_:

i'm not eu! :p

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fryfrog:

crazy... uhhh

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fryfrog:

AUS bitches?

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anykey_:

nope

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anykey_:

Switzerland, not part of the EU, just in the middle of it :D

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fryfrog:

ZOMG!

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fryfrog:

did they really not join the EU?

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anykey_:

no

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fryfrog:

i used to live outside Zurich :)

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anykey_:

we have some agreements with them, but we are not part of them

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anykey_:

hehe where exactly?

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fryfrog:

Wedensvil?

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fryfrog:

i think that was teh name :)

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anykey_:

actually Wedenswil, I think. I know that

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Torg:

fryfrog its more like the EU wont accept them

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BSD_Tech:

lol I have a friend with the same setup I have he is installing freevo

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BSD_Tech:

we are going to have a freevo myth standoff

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BSD_Tech:

when they are done

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fryfrog:

ahhaha

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fryfrog:

what is freevo like?

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fryfrog:

i've never even looked at it :/

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Torg:

does anyone know what the FF means for a FF DVB card. I know both my atsc cards are FF cards but dont know why there referd to as FF

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Torg:

sorry are not

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tdonahue-laptop:

hi all, is anyone here using a WinTV-PVR-500 MCE with the new model number 253, i can't find anyone that still has stock of the old model number 1081

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tdonahue-laptop:

so i'm wondering if the model 253 works with the ivtv driver

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Kritter:

I just bought one and it works fine, but as it's installed and working I didn't even check the model.

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BSD_Tech:

cool I have mythtv on bsd

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BSD_Tech:

it rocks

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BSD_Tech:

and we have v4l

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BSD_Tech:

but we renamed it v4bsd

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erpo:

I need to take an mpg file created by mythtv, extract about 30 seconds of it, and transcode it into another format. I'm using Ubuntu. What is a tool that meets my needs?

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BSD_Tech:

and I have talked to 4 people who bought the same card and they work fine

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ubuntuEdgy:

hi guys ,i have been using the Minimalist-wide theme and it seems the icons some times dont get displayed , could this be a bug ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

and is there any way i can fix this ?

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Kritter:

erpo: nuvexport and a very aggressive cutlist might do it.

[18:06:09]

erpo:

Kritter: I was thinking more of an mpg editor. I would use Kino since it seems to be a halfway competent video editor for Linux, but it requires transcoding the while show into DV format before editing, which takes up 20GB of disk space and the transcoding process takes forever.

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Dagmar:

erpo: That's pretty much a common thing for NLEs as far as I've seen

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Kritter:

well nuvexport will take a cutlist built by mythtv's onscreen editor and transcode/export to all manner of things.

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Kritter:

and given you only want 30seconds of video it shouldn't take very long no matter what you use

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Honk:

http://pastebin.ca/422784 <-- why does my timer get skewed, if both inputs on my pvr500 are recording? =)

[18:14:58]

Dagmar:

IRQs can cause timer drift

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Dagmar:

Generally replacing the motherboard fixes it tho. ;)

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Honk:

any other way? ;)

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Dagmar:

Maybe reading the ntpd docs about how to make it nudge the software clock more often

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Dagmar:

BIG maybe

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Honk:

ntp keeps the time updated just fine

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Honk:

it's lirc that's acting up :]

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gardengnome:

Honk: there might some kernel option ;) i think i saw it somewhere in dmesg but i can't find it now :/

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Dagmar:

Honk: Make sure nothing is sharing IRQs that doesn't happen to really really need to be

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kormoc:

Honk, you are not using the dynamic tick's patch, right?

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Honk:

x86_64

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Honk:

no dyntick yet, otherwise i would've tried it by now ;)

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Honk:

was far as lspci is concerned, there's no irq sharing going on :/

[18:26:43]

Honk:

well.. what's the best timer to use on an athlon x2 system?

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Torg:

try catting /proc/interupts

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fryfrog:

i don't think its *possible* to not have some irq sharing going on

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Dagmar:

It's possble

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Dagmar:

There were some really fucked up ACPI implementations out there that would basically insist everything be on IRQ 9

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Dagmar:

That == stupid

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Honk:

nothing odd going on in /proc/interrupts either i think

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Honk:

~60 interrupts per second for the ivtv cards

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BSD_Tech:

tobad mythtv devs have not made a installable iso

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Dagmar:

You might eb able to lessen it by setting the timer to the new 300Mhz setting

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BSD_Tech:

thats linux+mythtv

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BSD_Tech:

so people can just install and go

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Dagmar:

BSD_Tech: That would be KnoppMyth

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gardengnome:

BSD_Tech: knoppmyth, linuxmce, mythdoraÃŸ

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Honk:

Dagmar: it's at 1000 already

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BSD_Tech:

ok

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Dagmar:

Too bad users haven't figured out about search engines yet

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Honk:

someone suggested that as a fix :]

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BSD_Tech:

I have but when I looked with google it came up empty

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Dagmar:

Honk: Read the help about the 300Mhz setting and the reason should become obvious.

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Honk:

haaaai

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Dagmar:

It was pretty much put in there for *us* I think

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Honk:

but: i had it at 300hz before ;)

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Honk:

didnt help =)

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Dagmar:

BSD_Tech: Then I I amend my statement to say I wish users had learned how to read search results

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Dagmar:

If I can find something with only three words in the search box, people suck.

[18:32:23]

Dagmar:

Second hit for "mythtv installable ISO" mentions MythDora pretty explictly in the summary

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Honk:

what's the best timer to use on an athlon x2 system? hpet? pmtimer? or something else? =)

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Dagmar:

Honk: The default probably

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dFG:

nice to have things up n running at home :)

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Dagmar:

Linus is good about setting those sorts of things up

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Pryon:

erpo: I'd probably use either avidemux or projectX (yes, I know I'm responding to an ancient message :-)

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Honk:

by default pmtimer is disabled in the bios but enabled in linux *g*

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erpo:

Pryon: Actually, I just happened to look back at my IRC window the instant you made that comment.

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Pryon:

serendipity!

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erpo:

Pryon: I'm trying to use VirtualDub+MPEG2 to cut down the file and transcode it. We'll see how well that works.

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Torg:

use ntp, keep it running, fins 2 level 2 strtum servers (ask before you use them) and leave it be

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Dagmar:

Just use the pool servers

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Honk:

mhh.. that's odd

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Torg:

Dagmar id add a low latency level 2 server as well

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Dagmar:

They're more than accurate enough unless you're trying to coordinate to the degree of individual frames in a broadcast with someone else

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Dagmar:

Honk; So cpu0 isn't doing anything then

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Honk:

but only while i'm recording? =)

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Honk:

well.. catting the video to /dev/null.. same thing ;)

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Dagmar:

Recording isn't exactly an intense process if you've got a PVR card, and it's definitely not a multi-threaded operation

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Honk:

i get more timer-interrupts while it's not recording :]

[18:36:55]

Honk:

ahhh whatever

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Honk:

i'm lost

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tdonahue-laptop:

Kritter, thanks for the pointers... I found a page that seems to confirm the only difference is in the RCA jacks and the packaging... http://preview.tinyurl.com/2434of

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BSD_Tech:

the only issue with mythdora is it is on a dvd and not cd

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kormoc:

Honk, of course there'd be more timer-interrupts when it's not doing anything, it's gotta check to see what's going on if nothing is, when recording, it gets told to go away for a little and when it comes back, it gets a nice heaping helping of data and then is off on a break for awhile again

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Honk:

i see, i see

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BSD_Tech:

wow I never knew my laptop had a drd+r rw in it

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BSD_Tech:

lol

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** BSD_Tech pictures a mythtv box with 6 tuners **

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juski:

me pictures users who rtfm & never need venture into here :)

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kami22:

hi i am running the newest xmltv version from the cvs tree but i am getting always this error :

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kami22:

cannot find ./channel_ids, xmltv was not installed correctly

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juski:

xmltv needs the channel_ids file to work out which channel is assigned to which xmltvid

[19:05:20]

Dagmar:

Most people would take that as an indicator that they should look at the install docs for the string "channel_id"

[19:05:45]

kami22:

but i was using verion 5.44 before and i dont get this message

[19:06:00]

Dagmar:

So change back to 5.44, or... look at the install docs

[19:06:04]

Dagmar:

SOmething probably changed

[19:06:20]

Dagmar:

...or it could be the magic "cvs head is broken right now" reason.

[19:07:22]

Balachmar:

Hi, I have a question about dvd recording with myth archive

[19:07:25]

Dagmar:

That's my personal favorite right there

[19:07:29]

Dagmar:

My hairbrush tells me so

[19:08:04]

Balachmar:

It does burn a dvd, but the dvd is only readable on the computer

[19:08:24]

Dagmar:

Does your DVD player *normally* play burned DVDs?

[19:08:29]

Balachmar:

yes

[19:08:29]

Dagmar:

Not all of them do

[19:08:36]

Dagmar:

..and some are picky about which media

[19:08:47]

Balachmar:

and it does also work, when I burn the dvd iso manually

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Balachmar:

using growisofs but with the option -dvd-compat

[19:09:43]

kami22:

mhh okay but i now installed a channel_ids file and i still get this message

[19:10:34]

Balachmar:

and in the man file of growisofs it says something about it would then force a lead out

[19:10:37]

Dagmar:

So put it in the right place

[19:11:14]

Balachmar:

Dagmar: What place?

[19:11:21]

Dagmar:

Where the docs say

[19:11:26]

Dagmar:

...or where the program is saying it should be

[19:12:27]

Balachmar:

Dagmar: I guess you are talking to kami22 now :)

[19:12:52]

Dagmar:

It's a little brightly lit outside to be reading this terminal

[19:14:02]

gbee:

/usr/share/xmltv/tv_grab_uk_rt/ or /share/xmltv/tv_grab_uk_rt/

[19:14:08]

gbee:

where tv_grab_uk_rt is your grabber name

[19:14:37]

gbee:

and it can't just be any old channel_ids file – it has to be the right one for that grabber

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juski:

it might also be /usr/local/share/xmltv ...

[19:15:47]

juski:

reading the xmltv install docs will point it out you can almost guarantee it

[19:16:12]

gbee:

should have been installed automatically though, so I'd question how you installed it, you can't just copy it across

[19:17:19]

Dagmar:

hence... "was not installed properly"

[19:17:37]

Dagmar:

Betcha there's two copies installed

[19:18:46]

juski:

why don't people read the docs? will nobody think of the poor kittens?

[19:18:53]

Cyberai:

hey all, I'm also having eic958 optical out problems. I pasted hw info, aplay and speaker-test results to http://pastebin.ca/422672. Would you mind taking a look?

[19:19:22]

Cyberai:

I've tried every SPDIF howto I can find, including the ones on the myth wiki, no luck

[19:19:42]

Balachmar:

so nobody can help me with my burning :) dvd burning question?

[19:19:47]

Cyberai:

there's a server at google smoking and screaming in agaony from all the searching I've done

[19:20:05]

Cyberai:

Balachmar: ask that question again please

[19:20:46]

Honk^away:

it looks like commenting out acpi_skip_timer_override = 1; in early-quirks.c helped my problem =D

[19:20:52]

Honk^away:

if anyone else should experience this *g*

[19:20:57]

juski:

Cyberai: tried IEC958 as the output device rather than 'spdif' ?

[19:21:07]

Cyberai:

juski, tried it

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juski:

oops yeah

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Cyberai:

aplay -D ALSA:IEC958 /usr/share/system-config-soundcard/sound-sample.wav

[19:21:33]

Cyberai:

ALSA lib pcm.c:2143:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM ALSA:IEC958

[19:21:33]

Cyberai:

aplay: main:547: audio open error: No such file or directory

[19:21:58]

Cyberai:

lower case gives me the same

[19:22:03]

Balachmar:

Cyberai: I have burned a recording to a dvdrw, and it works fine on the computer, but it doesn't work on a standalone dvd player

[19:22:36]

Balachmar:

Cyberai: However if I burn the iso myself using growisofs with the -dvd-compat option and some other option, it works fine

[19:22:36]

juski:

Cyberai: there's sometimes a 'volume' setting for IEC958, but it's not volume at all – it controls which output gets routed to spdif – has 3 distinct 'levels' (states)

[19:22:38]

Cyberai:

Balachmar: most standalone DVD players cannot read DVDRW media, only DVDR

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Balachmar:

Cyberai: So how do I get mythtv to use these settings as well?

[19:23:05]

Cyberai:

go on juski, what are these states?

[19:23:23]

Cyberai:

Balachmar: just re-burn it on DVDR media, not DVDRW

[19:23:36]

Balachmar:

Cyberai: The dvd player does play dvdrw

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juski:

Cyberai: zero is usually to route all pcm playback to spdif, but your audio card might differ

[19:23:58]

Balachmar:

Cyberai: Because when I burn it myself, it works fine on the dvd player as well

[19:23:59]

Cyberai:

Balachmar: just try it, for giggles. I wouldn't be suprised if it fixed it

[19:24:00]

juski:

in any case I think aplay -d alsa:spdif should still work regardless

[19:24:33]

juski:

Cyberai: check the alsa mailing list archives

[19:24:46]

juski:

and if you feel brave, hell even try #alsa !

[19:24:59]

juski:

that'd be my very last resort though believe me

[19:25:10]

Cyberai:

juski, I would agree with your linme of thinking, but from what I've seen people who just have the "volume" set wrong on teh IEC958 slider in alsamixer typically get no errors when playing a file with aplay -d, jsut no sound comes out.

[19:25:23]

Cyberai:

yeah, I've been in #alsa al day

[19:25:25]

Balachmar:

Cyberai: Probably it will fix it, because the option -dvd-compat forces the writing of a lead-out only on dvd-rw. So I guess that is the problem. but somehow I should be able to force mytharchive to use that option as well

[19:25:45]

Cyberai:

Balachmar: submit a bug

[19:25:46]

gardengnome:

Balachmar: it's probably in mythburn.py

[19:25:46]

juski:

Balachmar: or you could just burn to dvd-r instead

[19:26:40]

Balachmar:

juski: I use dvdrw for a reason :)

[19:26:41]

Cyberai:

Balachmar: perhaps suggest a bugfix for the mytharchive setup screen that gives a checkmark box for "force -dvd-compat"

[19:27:07]

Balachmar:

Cyberai: ok, will do!

[19:27:26]

juski:

if it doesn't matter whether or not dvd-compat is enabled, just hard-code it in mythburn.py if it's there

[19:27:29]

Balachmar:

Cyberai: But for now, there is no way to set this?

[19:27:29]

Cyberai:

or to be more user friendly "make DVDRW disks play in standard DVD players" :)

[19:27:57]

kami22:

juski: i cant find anything about the right location of channel_ids

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juski:

mytharchive uses dvdauthor so it should be simple enough

[19:28:06]

Cyberai:

I'd look at juski's suggestion, If you speak a little python you should be able to add teh option

[19:28:16]

juski:

kami22: did you follow the install instructions properly?

[19:28:36]

kami22:

yes

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Cyberai:

juski, if you look at the errors I'm seeing on that pastebin page, would you say it's possible my alsa just isn't installed right?

[19:29:29]

juski:

Cyberai: maybe

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Balachmar:

Cyberai: Fortunately I can write python :)

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juski:

Balachmar: look around line 1394 of mythburn.py :)

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Cyberai:

Balachmar: than submit it as a patch

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Balachmar:

Juski: Will do

[19:30:49]

juski:

hang on there's already " if mediatype == DVD_RW"

[19:31:32]

juski:

but there's an AND checking if 'erase' is true too

[19:31:44]

GreyFoxx:

fg

[19:31:47]

GreyFoxx:

fg

[19:31:50]

GreyFoxx:

oops

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Balachmar:

juski: so that should probably be an or?

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juski:

and wtf kind of commandline option is " -use-the-force-luke" anyway ?!

[19:32:08]

juski:

Balachmar: nah I don't think so

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Cyberai:

juski: it's what passes for humor when your an cdrecord developer

[19:32:34]

Balachmar:

juski: The script I use to manually burn the iso uses that as well :)

[19:33:47]

juski:

so in the copy of mytharchive's mythburn.py I have here you could try making " command = path_growisofs[0] + " -use-the-force-luke -Z " + dvddrivepath + " look more like " command = path_growisofs[0] + " -dvd-compat -use-the-force-luke -Z " + dvddrivepath + " :)

[19:34:02]

juski:

in line 1411

[19:34:14]

juski:

that might just do the trick

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Balachmar:

juski: I will try, if it works, I will submit a patch

[19:35:19]

juski:

but having a UI option would be nicer, so I recommend raising a ticket

[19:36:41]

Cyberai:

hey Balachmar, while your at it, submit a request for me – I want a PirateBay/Bittorrent gui plugin :)

[19:36:58]

juski:

pffft!

[19:37:04]

juski:

NEVER gonna happen damnit

[19:37:21]

Balachmar:

Cyberai: Sorry, won't do :) I want to live :P

[19:37:25]

juski:

there was one already and it vanished into the bowels of unsupportedness

[19:38:02]

Balachmar:

Cyberai: I once opted for an easy direct disc to disc copy option. And paople were afraid of the mpaa

[19:38:30]

juski:

"are you sure you want to create a torrent of this recording? Call the MPAA now/Cancel"

[19:39:03]

Balachmar:

lol

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Balachmar:

Let us pray... :)

[19:39:29]

Cyberai:

Give it a year and the DMCA will be dead

[19:39:45]

rsdvd:

Hi All.......can anyone recommend the best filesystem for a myth video drive? XFS/JFS/EXT3 ?

[19:39:48]

juski:

so there's an end to DRM.. it's hardly gonna stop the RIAA & MPAA stamping on common people's bank balances

[19:39:54]

Cyberai:

well, as iTunes goes, so the entire online content industry follows

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juski:

rsdvd: fwiw, xfs

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rsdvd:

juski : thanks

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bluey-:

xfs

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** sandeen uses xfs **

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bluey-:

too late :)

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Balachmar:

DMCA, I son't care about that. Not a US citizen :)

[19:40:48]

Cyberai:

well juski, without DRM, it's gonna be impossible to prove who downloaded illegally or legally.

[19:40:53]

juski:

I'm keen to test the new minimyth I built last night. can't til tomorrow

[19:41:05]

Balachmar:

Cyberai: fingerprinting anyone?

[19:41:05]

juski:

Cyberai: yeah but they'll still come down hard on uploaders

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sandeen:

rsdvd, try mounting with -o allocsize=<something big> to cut down on fragmentation

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juski:

and without uploaders, there'll be no downloaders

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rsdvd:

thanks sandeem

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Cyberai:

juski -> see tor

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sandeen:

rsdvd, I use o=allocsize=512m

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sandeen:

for my hd rig

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sandeen:

er, -o allocsize...

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Cyberai:

sandeen, are you using SPDIF to an external surround amp for your HD system?

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rsdvd:

thanks.....first I need to install xfs support :-)

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sandeen:

Cyberai, yes

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Cyberai:

optical or coaxial?

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juski:

Cyberai: do you have newish audio hardware?

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Cyberai:

yeah, it's a brand new RCA 5.1 surround system

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juski:

no, the soundcard dummy :)

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sandeen:

Cyberai, optical

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Cyberai:

juski, it's an MSI RX480 Neo2-F Socket 939 Motherboard with an optical spdif out port on it

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Cyberai:

sandeen, what motherboard are you using?

[19:46:18]

sandeen:

Cyberai, the audio chipset is probably the first thing to figure out if you haven't already

[19:46:25]

sandeen:

Cyberai, I have a pci sound card with a c-media chip on it

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Cyberai:

Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)

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sandeen:

next, figure out how/if alsa supports that :)

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sandeen:

aplay -l and aplay -L might give you some info as to what alsa knows about it at this point, if modules are loaded

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Como[]Lappy:

mmmmkay

[19:48:14]

Como[]Lappy:

time to get this mythbox crackin

[19:48:38]

Cyberai:

sandeen: take a look at what i've done so far if you don't mind – http://pastebin.ca/422676

[19:49:57]

Balachmar:

juski: Am trying to burn a dvd at this moment

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sandeen:

Cyberai, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_Digital_Sound is probably another place to look

[19:50:56]

Como[]Lappy:

Alright, still having troubly building ivtv in slackware

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sandeen:

it's essentially what I followed

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juski:

Cyberai: call me a troll if you want but I can see your problem right there... "ATI Technologies" ;)

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** Cyberai slaps juski with a large halibut, just for the halibut. **

[19:52:20]

Cyberai:

yeah sandeen I did that guide already

[19:53:22]

sandeen:

did you use that asound.conf

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Cyberai:

I just ahve this feeling I'm going to find the answer in some tweak in teh alsamixer, or by upgrading my alsa via source

[19:53:45]

sandeen:

it's probably a config issue. i'm no alsa guru

[19:53:46]

Cyberai:

well, with fc5, your not supposed to touch the asound.conf

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sandeen:

ask me about filesystems ;-)

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rsdvd:

Arhhh.....I do not have xfs support :-(

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juski:

Cyberai: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/ . . . odule=atiixp

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Cyberai:

I'd jsut go out and buy a card with c-media chip on it, but I'm afraid i would never get the ssytem to choose between them properly. Unless I went in and deliberately removed the ATI modules.

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sandeen:

rsdvd, not hard to add

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sandeen:

unless you are on RHEL ;-)

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Tymop:

hello

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rsdvd:

sandeem : FC6

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sandeen:

rsdvd, yum install xfsprogs and off you go

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Tymop:

does anybody know a french channel for the mythtv please ?

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rsdvd:

:-) thanks

[19:56:08]

Como[]Lappy:

when i try to build ivtv, it exits with the error "ivtvfbctl.c:36:29: linux/videodev2.h: No such file or directory" ivtv version 0.10.1, kernel version 2.6.20.4

[19:58:13]

Tymop:

i have anpther question

[19:58:44]

Tymop:

i have the freebox modem

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Tymop:

french FAI

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Tymop:

and i would like to read the TV by ethernet

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Tymop:

and i know it is possible, but i don't know how i have to configure my mythtv for this function

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gardengnome:

Como[]Lappy: have you got the kernel headers installed?

[20:00:55]

Como[]Lappy:

gardengnome- not sure, exactly... i'm not the best at this stuff. How would i check?

[20:01:03]

Tymop:

does anybody know how i have to configure to reade this flux

[20:02:14]

gardengnome:

Como[]Lappy: /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/ should contain something

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Como[]Lappy:

uname -r spews the kernel version, am i pointing it to the kernel source i used with /build/ ?

[20:03:47]

Tymop:

i only know it is a rtp flux

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gardengnome:

Como[]Lappy: no, the directory in /lib/modules/<your-kernel-version>/build/ should contain something

[20:05:10]

Como[]Lappy:

gardengnome: Thats the first howto i checked, it just grazes over ivtv lightly, so now im following the documentation on the ivtv website

[20:05:18]

gardengnome:

Como[]Lappy: good idea.

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Como[]Lappy:

yeah, it seemed like a good idea... until i got stuck

[20:08:17]

Como[]Lappy:

its also funny that they just graze over the make command there, too

[20:08:24]

Como[]Lappy:

like it couldnt ever fail :-p

[20:09:31]

Tymop:

bon, ok

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Tymop:

bye.

[20:09:40]

Tymop:

thank you

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juski:

Como[]Lappy: heh. it doesn't fail if you have all the right stuff around ;)

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Como[]Lappy:

yeah, thats the problem.... I dont know why its complaining about that missing

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Como[]Lappy:

i dumped the console to a file the other day, – http://www.netman86.com/ivtvmake

[20:14:24]

Como[]Lappy:

probably wont help more than what i allready pasted, though

[20:17:19]

Como[]Lappy:

getting annoying, though

[20:17:29]

Como[]Lappy:

google isnt showing me any useful info

[20:18:17]

gardengnome:

what distro?

[20:18:51]

Como[]Lappy:

slackware

[20:18:58]

Como[]Lappy:

11, this time... first time i've worked with 11

[20:21:21]

gardengnome:

interesting.

[20:21:22]

gardengnome:

well.

[20:21:49]

gardengnome:

it's just some user space utility for the pvr 350 i think.

[20:21:55]

gardengnome:

just edit the makefile to prevent it from building ;))

[20:23:13]

gardengnome:

is this a stock slackware kernel?

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Como[]Lappy:

heh, will i miss it?

[20:23:17]

Como[]Lappy:

i have the 350

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gardengnome:

it's for the tv out i think

[20:23:37]

TheAsp:

Is there a known bug where mythtranscode will cut the end of a recording off?

[20:23:48]

Como[]Lappy:

ah

[20:23:57]

Como[]Lappy:

well, this box has an svideo onboard that seems to allready be working

[20:24:00]

TheAsp:

i just lost the end of 24! :P

[20:24:08]

Como[]Lappy:

right now it has the terminal on the tv

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gardengnome:

Como[]Lappy: is this a stock slackware kernel?

[20:24:54]

Como[]Lappy:

noo

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gardengnome:

ah.

[20:25:04]

Como[]Lappy:

the stock one was 2.4, i couldnt handle it

[20:25:08]

gardengnome:

Como[]Lappy: have you enabled v4l2 support in your kernel?

[20:25:42]

Como[]Lappy:

hmmm, sounds familiar, but i cant be sure till i check

[20:26:04]

Como[]Lappy:

CONFIG_VIDEO_V4L2=y

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Como[]Lappy:

that there?

[20:26:50]

Como[]Lappy:

pretty sure that means its built in, not a module

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Como[]Lappy:

grr, i need to run off for a bit, i'll be back in 15–20

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juski:

if I point a browser at the ip of my backend i.e. ip.ad.dr.ess:6543 I should see a status page shouldn't I?

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juski:

ah no it's 6544

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Cyberai:

BTW juski, your blootube theme is da shizzle

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juski:

my blootube theme is da deprecated

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praet:

ha

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juski:

43 is dead. framegrabbers are history. long live wide digital things :)

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stuarta:

the earth is still flat

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juski:

evening stuarta

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stuarta:

evening

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juski:

well xbmc's upnp still won't see a mythtv backend

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stuarta:

on latest?

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** Cyberai is downloading blootubelite-wide **

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juski:

latest xbmc...

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stuarta:

head?

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juski:

nah

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stuarta:

well there's your problem.

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xuumbi:

greetings, is this a good place to ask an lirc question?

[20:46:25]

stuarta:

GreyFoxx did heaps of work on the upnp server side of myth

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juski:

other apps just work (tm).. this upnp stuff is wack.. if one app works they should *all* bloody work. bah etc

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kormoc:

xuumbi, you might get a better reponce if you just ask and see if anyone knows...

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xuumbi:

I'm just wondering if anyone has used lirc to control firefox

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juski:

penny drops.. xbmc guys prolly made xbmc more MS friendly than they should have, hence the no worky

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Como[]Lappy:

Ok, im back

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Como[]Lappy:

darn women

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gardengnome:

i hope you'll be punished for that :P

[21:08:33]

Como[]Lappy:

she doesnt have her licence yet, so every time she has to go somewhere i need to go too

[21:08:37]

Como[]Lappy:

anyways

[21:08:55]

Como[]Lappy:

im trying to take that out of the Makefile

[21:08:57]

Como[]Lappy:

but i cant find it

[21:09:06]

Como[]Lappy:

starting to wonder if im looking for the right thing

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gardengnome:

Como[]Lappy: have you checked your kernel config for v4l2 support?

[21:09:43]

Como[]Lappy:

i grepped the .config for it

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Como[]Lappy:

CONFIG_VIDEO_V4L2=y

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Como[]Lappy:

believe that means its built in

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gardengnome:

yep.

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Como[]Lappy:

should it be a module instead?

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Como[]Lappy:

would think built in is better

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juski:

modules are always best for v4l stuff IMHO

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juski:

cos ivtv is gonna want to load modules, and if it can't.. whoops!

[21:17:18]

Como[]Lappy:

well, i guess i should change that to M, then...

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Como[]Lappy:

anything else i should change while im in there?

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juski:

dunno, but then it's ages since I built a kernel by hand

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kormoc:

I can't wait for ivtv to be in the kernel proper...

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juski:

suppose so – then what? ;)

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juski:

then the wait for that kernel to start appearing as standard...

[21:21:08]

Como[]Lappy:

well, i changed it to M... Do i have to rebuild the entire kernel to get it out as well as build modules?

[21:21:20]

juski:

yup

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Como[]Lappy:

bah

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kormoc:

juski, still... in the end, it'll be better :P

[21:21:36]

Como[]Lappy:

it'd be so much easyer

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** Como[]Lappy reboots with the new kernel **

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Como[]Lappy:

woo

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Como[]Lappy:

oh, poo

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Como[]Lappy:

i forgot what IP it has

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jams:

heh paul (linuxmce) is looking for some help with myth integration

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jams:

even sent the email twice =)

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Como[]Lappy:

ok, with the new kernel ivtv still wont build

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jams:

make that 3 times

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Como[]Lappy:

any ideas?

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tank-man:

ivtv site has instructions, tells you what you need in your kernel

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Como[]Lappy:

yeah, i know...

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Como[]Lappy:

i've been following the documentation

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Como[]Lappy:

http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto

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Como[]Lappy:

that one there

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Como[]Lappy:

pvr 350, i've added those 5 things

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tank-man:

so what is the problem?

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Como[]Lappy:

http://www.netman86.com/ivtvmake

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Como[]Lappy:

ivtv wont build, its very very unhappy

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** gardengnome comforts Como[]Lappy **

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Como[]Lappy:

thanks...

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tank-man:

patch the kernel stuff with the v4l2 (?) stuff or just copy the videodev2.h file somewhere (dont know off the top of my head)

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Como[]Lappy:

CONFIG_VIDEO_CX2341X=m, CONFIG_VIDEO_SAA711X=m, CONFIG_VIDEO_SAA7127=m, CONFIG_VIDEO_MSP3400=m, CONFIG_VIDEO_BT848=m

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Como[]Lappy:

those are the 5 things the documentation says i'll need

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tank-man:

in one of the subdirectorys where the source is , there is a file named videodev2.h, you need to copy that somewhere, google that file name

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Como[]Lappy:

/usr/src/linux-2.6.20.4/include/linux/videodev2.h

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Como[]Lappy:

/root/ivtv-0.10.1/utils/videodev2.h

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tank-man:

same errror with those files there?

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Como[]Lappy:

yeah, thats where they are

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tank-man:

try copying it to /usr/include/linux/videodev2.h

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Como[]Lappy:

:O

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Como[]Lappy:

no errors!

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cout:

I tried playing a dvd with mythtv's internal dvd player yesterday and it was really choppy. any ideas on how to fix that?

[22:06:26]

blackest:

anyone used mythtv with a nonstandard capture device

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wilco:

blackest: What do you mean by "nonstandard"?

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blackest:

I have a usb mpeg2 encoder which works via its own driver

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blackest:

its something like dev/av2310

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blackest:

at the moment if i want to use it i need to do something like cat /dev/av2310 > capture.mpg

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MarkFeathers:

blackest, check out xawtv

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kormoc:

MarkFeathers, why? xawtv doesn't work with any mpeg encoder cards

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gardengnome:

xawtv4 does, but i don't know if it's released ;)

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

fair 'nuff

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kormoc:

still in anycase, why bother saying go to xawtv when he asked about myth support?

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arun:

I am planning to setup myth in my house. I have a desktop in which i am going to do a fresh install..

[22:14:50]

arun:

What TV tuner card do you guys recommend

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arun:

and how do I set up my remote

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arun:

anybody there?

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praet:

follow a guide

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tank-man:

for sdtv, i recommend haupage pvr x50 tv card

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praet:

wilsonet.com/mythtv << fedora

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blackest:

arun where are you ?

[22:17:55]

arun:

if I i am here

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arun:

:)

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arun:

in washington DC

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kormoc:

blackest, he's in the us

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kormoc:

arun, your capture device depends on the signal you want to capture

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blackest:

well is dvb-t any use to him

[22:18:46]

arun:

I am not looking for hdtv right now

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kormoc:

blackest, likely not

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arun:

just mpeg recording will do

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kormoc:

arun, what about digtal cable?

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tank-man:

if you got analog cable, hardware mpeg2 card is the best

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arun:

i have digital cable

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arun:

i have comcast dvr but its not doing the things I want it to do

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kormoc:

arun, well, if you want to capture channels above 120 or so, you'll need to use something akin to firewire or use the cable box as the tuner

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arun:

i can get a firewire pci card, not a problem

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kormoc:

arun, if you get a HD subscription, comcast is required by law to enable a firewire port on the cable box and you can (hopefully) capture tv direct from it without any capture card at all

[22:22:21]

kormoc:

arun, reading the firewire entry on the wiki would be best

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blackest:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Connecti . . . To_Cable_Sat

[22:23:38]

arun:

So, if I understand you correctly, even if I dont use HD, my setup box does offer some of the free HD channels and that means the firewire port is enabled and I cant capture TV from it directly

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arun:

I mean I can capture...

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kormoc:

arun, perhaps... see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire#FCC_regulations

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arun:

the firewire is not just for HD, it will send other channels too right?

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kormoc:

arun, the only other pitfall to firewire is they just have to enable it's output, they don't have to output it de-crypted. Some places (like Seattle) are really lucky, and you get everything, some places (Boston) get nadda, and most are mixed

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kormoc:

all depends on the local franchise

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arun:

Wow, that sucks

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kormoc:

in any case, it's typically worth a try to see what you can get

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kormoc:

and if it doesn't work, a pvr 150 + ir blaster will do the trick just fine

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arun:

I have a inspiron 700m running ubuntu edgy which has a firewire port

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arun:

kormoc: is there a way to test if the firewire is working without having to invest a lot

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kormoc:

arun, the firewire wiki entry goes over the entire process, you can see how involved it is via that

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arun:

Great..I havent read it yet...I will do that first

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arun:

So, if I use firewire I dont need any other hardware,like video capture cards right?

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kormoc:

right

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arun:

if so, I sure hope i get a signal.

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kormoc:

assuming the box is a standard one. there are a few that you might need a ir blaster to change the channels on, but as far as I know, most tend to be able to be changed over the firewire port

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arun:

Its a comcast DVR

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blackest:

looks like Motorola DCT-6200 is ideal

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arun:

Pardon me for asking this so late...whats the starting point for reading how to setup my mythtv box, which will contain all the links like the firewire etc

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kormoc:

there's not really any fully unified guide (yet)

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wolfspirit:

I'm having some trouble connecting to my mythtv backend using a frontend remotely over the internet using dynamic dns

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wolfspirit:

can anyone help me in how to set up the configuration?

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arun:

kormoc: with firewire I can also recv channels below 120 right?

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TheAsp:

i got a dct6200 last week

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TheAsp:

am impressed

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kormoc:

arun, aye

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TheAsp:

arun: my normal cable channels are total shit on my cable box, i still use my analog tuner for those

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TheAsp:

arun: your experience may be different

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arun:

fingers crossed

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arun:

what are these channels? "SD broadcast channels"

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arun:

what are "SD broadcast channels"?

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wolfspirit:

anyone? can you access mythtv via the frontend over the internet to a backend?

[22:43:06]

arun:

Are those the non-HD channels? that I can watch on my non-HD tv

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blackest:

hd hi definition sd standard ... (yes)

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arun:

thanks blackest

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arun:

thanks guys, I cant wait to set it up

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arun:

u guys are great..keep it up

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blackest:

It isnt going to be easy the first time

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rsdvd:

wolfspirit : I would expect you to have too slow bandwidth to be able to run a full frontend over any sort of internet link

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Como[]Lappy:

heey

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Como[]Lappy:

it just occured to me that my girlfriend (whom i'm building this mythtv for) has digital cable

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arun:

I understand. thats not going to stop me though :)

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Como[]Lappy:

having a pvr-350, is this going to be a problem?

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wolfspirit:

rsdvd: what just controlling the backend to record at a certain time then playback the recording over the web? can you do that with mythweb?

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rsdvd:

with mythweb you will be fine – you said frontend

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kormoc:

Como[]Lappy, you'll only get channels 2 – 120 or so

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kormoc:

Como[]Lappy, up to you if that's a problem or not

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Como[]Lappy:

hmm.

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Como[]Lappy:

up to her, you mean

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rsdvd:

wolfspirit: to playback over mythweb you need to look at mythstreamtv

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kormoc:

rsdvd, or the intigrated flash video support in mythweb svn

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Como[]Lappy:

what are the other options?

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rsdvd:

:-) I have not upgraded to svn mythtv – so I could not comment

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wolfspirit:

rsdvd: even recorded programs? or just live streaming tv?

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Como[]Lappy:

if i ran it thru the cable box, wouldnt the card only see whatever channel the thing is set to?

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wolfspirit:

rsdvd: because I know with videos I didn't need to do that

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rsdvd:

wolfspirit : the banwdith needed for any decent recording (except streamed flash etc) is too high for any domestic internet link

[22:51:04]

wolfspirit:

I could never get mythstreamtv working because I couldn't get vlc to compile with the options that it needed

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rsdvd:

Although you may have a some inpressive link with a 20mb upstream :-)

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Como[]Lappy:

yeah.... i could tell it to just record channel 3

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Como[]Lappy:

and run it thru the cable box

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Como[]Lappy:

we wont be recording much

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Como[]Lappy:

just whenever shes at work and something is on

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rsdvd:

Como[]Lappy : just connect the 350 to the composite on the STB and use an IR blaster

[22:52:27]

Como[]Lappy:

rsdvd- you're not speaking my language :(

[22:52:52]

Como[]Lappy:

Whats an STB and an IR blaster

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ShiftyPowers:

anyone having issues building mythmusic lately?

[22:54:22]

Como[]Lappy:

shes got a cable box (STB) that has its own remote

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ShiftyPowers:

i get a maddecoder.cpp:16 error

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rsdvd:

Como[]Lappy : so you get an IR blaster and when myth wants to change channels you get it to send the approriate IR flashes

[22:55:34]

Como[]Lappy:

Ah, a universal remote

[22:55:48]

Como[]Lappy:

i had plans to get one of those anyway

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eskil:

install taglib.

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Como[]Lappy:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880100710 something like that

[22:56:59]

rsdvd:

more than a universal remote.....a universal remote is a real remote.....an IR blaster is connected to the serial/usb port of your mythbox....and sends the approriate IR flshes to change the channel

[22:57:21]

eskil:

ShiftyPowers, install taglib, mythmusic switched away from libid3tag.

[22:57:30]

ShiftyPowers:

yep, just saw that

[22:57:34]

ShiftyPowers:

libtag1-dev

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ShiftyPowers:

in ubuntu

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eskil:

yup

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Como[]Lappy:

oh dear...

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Como[]Lappy:

my PVR 250 came with a remote and a reciever...

[22:58:15]

Como[]Lappy:

of course, that wont control the cable box

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ShiftyPowers:

hmm eskil getting an error with playbackbox.cpp: In member function u2018virtual void PlaybackBoxMusic::keyPressEvent(QKeyEvent*)u2019:

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ShiftyPowers:

playbackbox.cpp:467: error: u2018class UIManagedTreeListTypeu2019 has no member named u2018moveUpByAmountu2019

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ShiftyPowers:

any idea?

[22:58:45]

rsdvd:

exactly...........you need to be able to control the cable box remotely from the myth box

[22:58:54]

blackest:

It is fairly cheap for an ir blaster

[22:59:28]

rsdvd:

as blackest says – they are very cheap.......if you can solder it can be as cheap as £5 /$10

[22:59:31]

Como[]Lappy:

OH, you mean something that the mythtv box itself uses to broadcast a change channel signal...

[22:59:35]

Como[]Lappy:

thats nifty

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rsdvd:

yes

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eskil:

ShiftyPowers, upgrade mythtv as well, make clean, reconfigure, make and make install.

[23:00:10]

ShiftyPowers:

ah

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rsdvd:

that is how most poeple change channel on an external decoder/STB/cable box

[23:00:12]

ShiftyPowers:

aight

[23:00:17]

ShiftyPowers:

i was doing it backwards, doing mythplugins first

[23:00:21]

ShiftyPowers:

i'll try mythtv first

[23:00:21]

Como[]Lappy:

well poo, i dont have one of those

[23:00:34]

ShiftyPowers:

seems to be working now

[23:00:50]

Como[]Lappy:

well that sounds like a viable solution

[23:00:58]

TheAsp:

does height in the codecparams table have to be a multiple of something

[23:01:24]

rsdvd:

Como[]Lappy : with a 250/350 you will only be able to 'tune' to broadcast signals.......not digital cable (although the US systems might be differnet)

[23:01:54]

blackest:

how clever is your stb My satbox can schedule channel changes for me (not using it yet with myth but then it'd a job of getting myth to record the signal at the right time

[23:02:28]

Como[]Lappy:

right, but i'll be plugging the 350 in to the tuned side of the cable box, meaning it will only be recieving channel 3, which will be whatever channel the box is set to

[23:02:49]

rsdvd:

blackest : even with a STB that can change channels.....myth needs to be able to tell it to.......

[23:03:24]

Como[]Lappy:

i think for now i need to get the mythtv to be doing other things, like displaying something other than the terminal on the tv

[23:03:26]

blackest:

yes it would be a scheduling nightmare you'd be doing everything twice

[23:03:27]

rsdvd:

Como[]Lappy : exactly......the 350 always records the same 'channel' – but you use a blaster to change the channel of the STB

[23:03:50]

Como[]Lappy:

alright, i'll order one of those.... do they have any other names than 'ir blaster' ?

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rsdvd:

Como[]Lappy : start by using an antena/aerial and record what ever you can get from that.....then think about adding the cable stuff

[23:04:49]

Como[]Lappy:

theres nothing in the air up here

[23:04:49]

rsdvd:

Como[]Lappy : there may have been one with your PVR....depending on which one you bought

[23:04:57]

Como[]Lappy:

3 channels, maybe

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rsdvd:

Como[]Lappy : where are you?

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Como[]Lappy:

maine, usa

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rsdvd:

nice lobster = no TV :-)

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blackest:

I'd go for the three channels initially as a starter project

[23:05:43]

Como[]Lappy:

heh

[23:05:46]

Como[]Lappy:

basically

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rsdvd:

I agree with blackest......as long as you actually have an aerial

[23:06:14]

Como[]Lappy:

well, it came with an antennae, but i think its only for the am/fm

[23:06:30]

Como[]Lappy:

the card came with what looks like an IR reciever, but i assume thats because it came with a remote

[23:06:36]

rsdvd:

which version of the 350 did you get? the MCE version has the blasater with it (AFAIK)

[23:06:50]

Como[]Lappy:

errr, hoboy

[23:06:55]

Como[]Lappy:

i honestly dont know

[23:07:02]

Como[]Lappy:

i bought the card over a year ago

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rsdvd:

:-)

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clever[rev]:

im over in NB canada

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rsdvd:

probably the standard edition – I don't think the MCE was around much then

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clever[rev]:

bordering your state:)

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TheAsp:

heh, im in ns

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TheAsp:

:P

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clever[rev]:

lol

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clever[rev]:

im a 6 hour drive from halifax

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Como[]Lappy:

ANYway

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Como[]Lappy:

now that i no longer have A/C power for my laptop here

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clever[rev]:

:(

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clever[rev]:

i dont have a harddrive in one of my laptops

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Como[]Lappy:

girlfriend just broke my plug

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clever[rev]:

and it cant cd boot atm

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Como[]Lappy:

SO

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clever[rev]:

ahh:(

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Como[]Lappy:

its time to get working

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TheAsp:

can't boot off of network? :)

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rsdvd:

looks like the girlfrind owes you a new laptop

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Como[]Lappy:

no, she broke the plug, not the jack

[23:10:47]

Como[]Lappy:

i've replaced the jack before, i cant find a place to buy good plugs

[23:10:58]

Como[]Lappy:

i just need a new adaper OR a new plug that doesnt suck

[23:11:02]

Como[]Lappy:

but yeah

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clever[rev]:

TheAsp: it doesnt have a network card before

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clever[rev]:

atm*

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TheAsp:

cant you "boot it manually?"

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TheAsp:

:)

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rsdvd:

is this laptop your Myth machine?

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TheAsp:

you know, with your foot

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Como[]Lappy:

no

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Como[]Lappy:

laptop is what im using

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clever[rev]:

TheAsp: it doesnt let me punch in hex code for a boot loader:P

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rsdvd:

good :-)

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Como[]Lappy:

ssh'd to the mythbox

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Como[]Lappy:

however, its just broadcasting an svideo version of what the VGA is showing- so how do i go about getting the main console to play video?

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Como[]Lappy:

at the moment its just the login terminal

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rsdvd:

Como[]Lappy : you will not get video playing over an ssh connection (well not watchable anyway)....unless you play with X forwarding

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Como[]Lappy:

im only ssh'd to the box to configure it, its connected to a TV

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rsdvd:

Como[]Lappy : OK! so the box is only showing a command prompt/login on the TV?

[23:15:17]

Como[]Lappy:

yes

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clever[rev]:

im trying ti remember what that boot floppy was for booting from a cd

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rsdvd:

Como[]Lappy : do you have a monitor aswell?

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Como[]Lappy:

if i absolutely need one, i can plug one in... i've got one here for troubleshooting my other box here that doesnt always like to boot

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Como[]Lappy:

but the tv appears to be showing exactly what the vga would show

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rsdvd:

you just need to be sure that the box it actually in X-windows.......it is is just showing a prompt it i might be in init 3

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Como[]Lappy:

it probably hasnt loaded X, slackware doesnt by default

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rsdvd:

Como[]Lappy : not necessarily – they may be setup to show differnt things (Dual head)

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rsdvd:

Como[]Lappy : LOL – that would explain why you have a prompt then!

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clever[rev]:

rsdvd: ive yet to get text mode working on 1 head while X is up

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clever[rev]:

rsdvd: but a terminal and a serial cable gets the same effect with a singlehead video:P

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rsdvd:

Como[]Lappy : what were you expecting to see it you are not in X?

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Como[]Lappy:

uh, probly the prompt i see

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rsdvd:

:-)

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Como[]Lappy:

even if i had it load x, though... it'd just be sitting there at x

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clever[rev]:

in ssh

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clever[rev]:

export DISPLAY=:0

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clever[rev]:

now any x programs you start in ssh will come up on :0

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Como[]Lappy:

-bash: export: `DISPLAY-:0': not a valid identifier

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clever[rev]:

which is probly the default for the X you loaded

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rsdvd:

Como[]Lappy : It s late here – I think I might have missed the point! what exactly is wrong?

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Como[]Lappy:

err

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clever[rev]:

= not -

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Como[]Lappy:

maybe i should type

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rsdvd:

just do init 5 to switch to X windows mode

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clever[rev]:

xlogo can be a good test program

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Como[]Lappy:

err, yeah

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Como[]Lappy:

theres X on the tv

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rsdvd:

:-) good start

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Como[]Lappy:

yeah, i suppose so.

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Como[]Lappy:

do you know how to have it play a video?

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Como[]Lappy:

probly not even what i want to be doing

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rsdvd:

'have it play a video'.......do you mean mythtv playa video? or just in X-windows?

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Como[]Lappy:

i dont think i've got the mythtv packages installed

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rsdvd:

wella s this is a mythtv channel.......I recommend you install Myth first :-) there are lots of good guides to take you through it

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rsdvd:

but if you want to just play a video to see if you can......try mplayer <filename>

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Como[]Lappy:

ha, i dont have mplayer apparently

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rsdvd:

lol......you will need to install some more software before this is a usable myth box

[23:26:28]

Como[]Lappy:

i need to install the mythtv packages i think

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rsdvd:

I would suggest you find one of the guides to follow

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Como[]Lappy:

i downloaded the slackbuild one, but i couldnt figure it out

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rsdvd:

yes – most distros have a package for myth-suite or similar

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rsdvd:

never used slackware (well not in the last 10 years :-) )........I personally think there are much better distros

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blackest:

what distro are you using como

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Como[]Lappy:

slackware

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Como[]Lappy:

its the distro im mostly familiar

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blackest:

you might be better with something else like ubuntu edgy or feisty or knoppix

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rsdvd:

Como[]Lappy : that link includes a bit on IR Blaster...although he calls it a serial irblaster

[23:30:11]

rsdvd:

blackest : or even MythDora/KnoppMyth

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blackest:

feisty was pretty easy but its not properly released for another 3 weeks

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rsdvd:

anyway : I will leave you all to it – it is too late here ! I am off to bed!

[23:31:08]

Como[]Lappy:

I'm probly best off with slackware, because i've had experiance with it

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blackest:

ok, get your distro installed and your tvcard working before trying to install mythtv

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Como[]Lappy:

alright... ivtv is the card driver, right?

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Como[]Lappy:

because i might have that installed and working

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blackest:

yes for a hauppage card i think so

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BSG75:

anyone know how to get mythrename.pl for ubuntu?? they are missing the contrib dir

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Como[]Lappy:

well, i followed an ivtv howto and it had me make a test .mpg

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SlicerDicer-:

hey xris you here?

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Como[]Lappy:

not sure if it worked, cant imagine how to play the file

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xris:

barely

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Como[]Lappy:

or what it would be of

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: They dont have Rachel Ray on HD ;/

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blackest:

vlc mplayer kaffiene should be ok

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Como[]Lappy:

63 megs and only a few seconds (maybe 15) long

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: no loss for me. I don't like her much.

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SlicerDicer-:

heh

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PaulWay[w]:

Anyone here know how to use mencoder to transcribe a file from .flv to .avi without changing the encoding?

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blackest:

ouch its late here i am off to sleep

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PaulWay[w]:

Write to them?

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Como[]Lappy:

"For all udev versions, begin by finding out where the card currently is in the /dev/videoN numbers. Run udevinfo -a -p /class/video4linux/videoN and it will give you a spew of information. All versions of udevinfo should give the correct key names in their output for the version of udev that they came with."

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Como[]Lappy:

I dont get it- that command is calling a directory named class on root- which isnt there...

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PaulWay[w]:

Como[]Lappy: Maybe it's not talking about a directory, but something like a DBUS path.

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PaulWay[w]:

I.e. a class naming heirarchy in some other namespace separate to the file system?

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Como[]Lappy:

gah, you're speaking outside of my understood level again

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BSG75:

PaulWay[w]: tried that a while back.. guess I will just move on to gentoo or knoppmyth .. sigh .. it's just I have everything working just like I want it

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ShiftyPowers:

anyone tried mythtv with Feisty?

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PaulWay[w]:

BSG75: Is it something that could be packaged up separately?

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BSG75:

PaulWay[w]: not that I can see

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blackest:

shiftypowers yes

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ShiftyPowers:

blackest, all good? did you do a fresh install or just update?

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ShiftyPowers:

dist-upgrade

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blackest:

I downloaded the desktop beta and did a clean install (problems with the migration assistant thou)

[23:53:13]

blackest:

you need to add an option to disable it

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xris:

BSG75: they don't include it in the docs package, etc?

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ShiftyPowers:

ah fack it not going to upgrade yet ten

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blackest:

once that was done I configured my videocard and then got my tvcard working

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ShiftyPowers:

not worth it

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BSG75:

BSG75: Nope.. I did RTFM .. it's kinda silly to miss the contrib directory all together

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blackest:

well i had my root partition trashed under edgy so it was no issue to upgrade

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blackest:

easier install than edgy and the frontend autologs in in fiesty

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BSG75:

sorry I am staying away from ubuntu for now .. this is a bad exp for me... I am sure it's a great distro for desktop, I guess I am used to diff things from my linux distros

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Milosch:

compiled and working just fine here, on ubuntu, fwiw

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BSG75:

you have mythrename.pl?

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BSG75:

my mythtv is working absolutely perfectly too, I spend a few hours on it... I need the contrib directory, because without renaming the files the .nuv files are virtually useless to me

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