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Monday, April 2nd, 2007, 00:10 UTC

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EnderTheThird:

anyone know how to force Myth to use Zap2It SD info for a DT/HD channel? Z2I doesn't pull the DT guide info, but it has the SD info that I'd like to use

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Torg:

edit the xmltvid

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Torg:

but be carefull not always do they brodcast on HD whats on SD and vice versa

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah, I know it doesn't always quite match up, but it looks to be my only option

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EnderTheThird:

I see in mythtv-setup that I can enter the XMLTV ID manually

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Torg:

for that matter there probably really is a real xmltvid for the station you want

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EnderTheThird:

how do I retrieve that from the SD channel if it's not in my channel list in Myth? Is it listed somewhere in Z2I's site?

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Torg:

yes its part of the listing, what channel do you want?

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EnderTheThird:

WFYI-HD

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EnderTheThird:

few others, i'm going through the list now

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Torg:

go to www.zap2it.com and put in your zip code

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Torg:

a guess is its called WFYIDT

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Torg:

look for the url that links to it, the paramater stnNum in the URL is the xmltvid

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EnderTheThird:

got ya

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EnderTheThird:

you're a good man, and an even better American

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EnderTheThird:

Thanks

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Torg:

np

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EnderTheThird:

Back to finishing all the shows on my cable box DVR so i can return the damned thing now though, heh

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jason4067:

how can i set the password for mysql?

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jason4067:

how can i make mythtv play videos from my xp shares?

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xris:

jason4067: mythvideo

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jason4067:

i have that installed

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xris:

then you just have to configure it to look at wherever you mounted your XP shares on your mythbox

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PaulWay[w]:

Hi all!

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PaulWay[w]:

Anyone here using MythTV in Brisbane, Australia?

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PaulWay[w]:

with the tvguide.org.au guide data?

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jason4067:

im trying to

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jason4067:

but i cant get it to work

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PaulWay[w]:

jason4067: What's up?

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PaulWay[w]:

I've just got my brother's config to work in Brisbane and I'm in Canberra.

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jason4067:

i gave up on it

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PaulWay[w]:

Do I deduce that you live in the Taringa area?

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jason4067:

nope

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PaulWay[w]:

Oh well, thought your number might be post code :-)

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PaulWay[w]:

What was the problem with MythTV?

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jason4067:

it is actually

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PaulWay[w]:

Ah, then my memory is wrong.

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PaulWay[w]:

Where's 4067?

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jason4067:

toowong

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PaulWay[w]:

Ah. Close.

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PaulWay[w]:

I thought Toowong was 4066.

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jason4067:

anyway im using this http://svn.whuffy.com/index.fcgi/wiki/Installation

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** PaulWay[w] reads... **

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PaulWay[w]:

Shepherd is the tv_grab_au replacement?

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jason4067:

yes

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PaulWay[w]:

What distro are you using?

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jason4067:

apparently

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jason4067:

ubuntu

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jason4067:

i have no idea what im doing

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jason4067:

it doesnt seem to be working

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PaulWay[w]:

Hmmmm.

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PaulWay[w]:

Well, have you tried www.tvguide.org.au?

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PaulWay[w]:

Let me see if my guide is still around...

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banyan:

Hey, I've had ivtv-0.10.1 freeze up my machine a few times on playback thru a pvr-350. Two things about that: is this a common experience? and why didn't my software raid 5 go out of sync when I rebooted?

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jason4067:

makes me sick that NO channel has epg

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jason4067:

ridiculous

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PaulWay[w]:

Hmmmm, no, it's specific to Fedora and doesn't cover setting up the programme guide.

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PaulWay[w]:

Ah, I know where I posted it...

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banyan:

Mostly I'm worried that my raid array is buggered but my computer hasn't realised it.

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nweaver917:

having a problem ripping a DVD using MythDVD

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nweaver917:

Getting a bunch of "Zero check failed in lfe_read.c:618" type errors

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nweaver917:

any ideas?

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Torg:

nweaver917 go read the other errors, esp the one about css

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mwolf:

what do you guys do to compress down your recordings for your video files?

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Torg:

rm them

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ectospazm:

mv <file> /dev/null

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mwolf:

i was hoping for a sensible way to convert to avi to put in my videos

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Torg:

mencoder?

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Torg:

all of them include making the video and audio worse

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cecil:

mwolf: I'd suggest checking the wiki or archive

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cecil:

plenty of info including scripts

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cecil:

all without the commentary from the peanut gallery

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kslater:

mwolf – I use nuvexport

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kslater:

works pretty well and has a lot of options for the output side

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kslater:

one drawback is that it won't cut commercials from an HD mpeg2 stream – at least the version I have doesn't.

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kormoc:

kslater, that's a ffmpeg/mencoder issue I believe.

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PaulWay[w]:

mwolf: Have you tried transcoding?

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PaulWay[w]:

t0ny-p40: I hear it's faster if you flush more regularly, too!

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TSCHAK:

is there a jump point to go immediately to your recorded shows in mythkeys?

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hads:

mythkeys?

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sid3windr:

what bandwidth is required to view livetv ?

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sid3windr:

and what kind of cpu to compress it? :)

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Agrajag-:

13 bandwidths

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kormoc:

and a x86 compatible cpu

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kormoc:

tho perhaps ppc works now?

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kormoc:

sid3windr, in other words, it depends on the tv card, the signal type, and your capture settings, and what you are encoding into...

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juski:

morning!

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anykey_:

hello ;-)

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juski:

realised late last night that I'd been building minimyth from the wrong dir – hence why it was taking 18+ hours

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orko_:

hi. Is it possible to deactivate the prescaling of icons?

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gotthardt:

got a prob: Table './mythconverg/recordedseek' is marked as crashed

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gotthardt:

tried to auto repair

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gotthardt:

Repairing tables

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gotthardt:

mythconverg.recordedseek

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gotthardt:

error : 5 when fixing table

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gotthardt:

error : 5 when trying to write bufferts

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gotthardt:

status : Operation failed

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gotthardt:

Any takers?

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blackest:

hi just a quicky I need to reconfigure a mythtv frontend but I cant get into the setup pages i am probably using the wrong command any idea what the correct one is

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DFG:

mythfrontend ?

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blackest:

yes I had to rebuild the backend and now the remote frotend is using the wrong password i reckon

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blackest:

least ways I have a working combined frontend/backend server but the remote frontend cant access it i have alowed network access to it

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DFG:

Im not shure but is there a folder named .mythtv in your home folder located on frontend system?.. You could try to remove that, and then try to run frontend

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blackest:

sorry about that Mythtv cameup and gave me a blankscreen

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blackest:

no i havent yet

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blackest:

ok I will try it

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DFG:

Im not shure about that, but give it a try :)

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DFG:

Im quite newbie with myth

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DFG:

blackest: did it work?

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blackest:

DFG i didnt quite do what you said i just found the mysql.txt file and gave it the new password and it connects no audio thou i need to take a look at that now

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DFG:

ok :)

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blackest:

any idea how i find out who is using the audio

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orko_:

hi. Is it possible to deactivate the prescaling of icons?

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blackest:

hmm nothing brb going to reboot and try again

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blackest:

got sound back

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GreyFoxx:

seth|work: no

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GreyFoxx:

oops

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GreyFoxx:

that was meant for someone who it appears already left anyway

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blackest:

weird thou, would a mythtv frontend running on the backend server block audio to a remote frontend ?

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GreyFoxx:

no

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blackest:

hmm then it appears a reboot of my laptop sorted it

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blackest:

all this hassle for a laser printer (installed it ext3 got trashed and had to rebuild my server )

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juski:

hey just thinking we could have really fast internets at work with all the toilet cubicles & that Tisp google launched yesterday

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fryfrog:

does anyone know what the slow deletes setting is called in the db?

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DFG:

not shure, but could it be done my nice command?

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fryfrog:

i was trying to turn it off, w/o tracking it down in the settings

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fryfrog:

i found it though :)

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fryfrog:

TruncateDeletesSlowly

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fryfrog:

weird, i swear i searched for "%Delete%Slow% yesterday and it didn't find it

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fryfrog:

just searching Delete found it though

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fryfrog:

oh well

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DFG:

:)'

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juski:

fryfrog: don't think you should set such an example like that – settings should be changed using the GUI stuff

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juski:

not that I really care much if a noob fries his box with random mysql-fu :-P

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kabtoffe:

If I wanted to watch/record encrypted channels on DVB-C with mythtv, what card would I need to buy?

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juski:

a suitable CAM & dvb-c card with a CI slot

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kabtoffe:

juski: I knew that much

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kabtoffe:

I was wondering if someone had a specific solution

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juski:

just find one then

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juski:

dvbshop :)

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fryfrog:

i was using phpmyadmin, my mysql-fu is weak :)

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kabtoffe:

Does anyone have FloppyDTV working?

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blackest:

kabtoffe you could use an external box and infrared blaster

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blackest:

is it possible to use /dev/avcap0 with myth tv ?

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juski:

wth is floppydtv ?

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juski:

ugh

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juski:

forget that

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Fuzzy76:

So, if I want to do a client/server install on a single computer. What do I actually need? The ubuntu package seems to miss some dependencies. Do I need a desktop manager?

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gbee:

hmm, found a bug with the metadata editor but one that isn't so easy to fix due to mysql's case insensitive matching

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GreyFoxx:

What's the bug?

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mtb-office:

Hi. I have a mythtv system which has been running perfectly for months, with a single backend and 2 frontends. On friday a circit breaker tripped in my apartment, and since then I have had problems with mythbackend – it is increadibly slow... Would this be a db problem, a filesystem problem? All other apps on the machine are fine, just mythback runs 100 * slower than before

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gbee:

if you change the case of an artist/album/genre e.g. "abbey road" to "Abbey Road" the change won't be saved as we decide (or mysql does) that there has been no change

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: Ahhhhhhh

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GreyFoxx:

hmmm

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GreyFoxx:

You might need a second step. Similar to what I have to do to "Reset" overscan on my video card when nvidia assumes are in one mode when we are in another

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GreyFoxx:

update set blah = "name-step1"; update set blah="name"

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GreyFoxx:

force it to be different

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GreyFoxx:

ad the code could decide if the second step approach is needed, otherwise do a normal single update

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gbee:

I've just had an idea which would deal with this – although it raises some further questions about how the whole metadata editor works, might suggest some changes to Paul as I know he's working on it atm

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GreyFoxx:

hmmm it works for me

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gbee:

atm if you change an album title or artist name, it only affects the current track – even though you might want to change all tracks for that artist/album

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.pastebin.ca/420864

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GreyFoxx:

that works for me directly in mysql

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gbee:

yeah, it's not the update statement which is case insensitive but the select statement which checks to see if the album exists first

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh ok

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gbee:

we really need something like Amarok (or one of those players) offers – where you can choose to edit the album/artist name for one track or all tracks

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GreyFoxx:

gbee I don;'t know if it's 3.23.x safem, but there are some keywords you can use to make a select case sesnsitive

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.pastebin.ca/420866

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gbee:

I know there is some collate magic you can do, I'm filing the issue in my todo list

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GreyFoxx:

That forces a case sensitive search

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gbee:

worth knowing

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gardengnome:

re

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gardengnome:

juski: how's gar-minimyth?

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rsdvd:

Hi gardengnome

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gardengnome:

heya rsdvd

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rsdvd:

hows your studying going?

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gardengnome:

uh

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gardengnome:

don't ask

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gardengnome:

;)

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gardengnome:

how's life? :)

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rsdvd:

not bad – get my new frontend this week – so playing with that :-)

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gardengnome:

nifty :) are you using the s100 nowß

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rsdvd:

at at the moment – it is destined for TV in the kitchen.....just need to pull come cat5 for it

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rsdvd:

too busy playing with the remote and VFD on the new box :-)

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gardengnome:

oh, you got some nice toys :)

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rsdvd:

I bought an antec fusion case – with the LCD display.....just having dificulty finding info on how to get it to work

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jams:

oh that antec fusion case is nice. I really like mine

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jams:

have not hooked up the lcd yet

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juski:

gardengnome: took 18 hours to build something from $builddir/script yesterday :(

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juski:

I should've built it from $builddir/script/meta/minimyth

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Torg:

18 hours! wtf were you compiling?

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juski:

Torg: a whole distro :)

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gardengnome:

juski: i could set up a build environment in a VM on my box for you, but i doubt it'd be much faster

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Torg:

on what a 386?

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gardengnome:

juski: does it actually work after building in builddir/script?

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anykey_:

bah, everything down @ my home, internet, tv, phone, I like triple-play...

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juski:

Torg: athlon 2000xp

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gardengnome:

gar-minimyth seemed fragile to me :)

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juski:

gardengnome: yeah I built it the other day & it worked

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gardengnome:

niftay

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juski:

next part is customising parts of it so I can track down a problem

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gardengnome:

juski: are you playing with the s100?

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juski:

not yet

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juski:

but I plan to

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gardengnome:

great

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juski:

getting used to gar now :)

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jams:

what happened to the plan to sell the s100?

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juski:

jams: I needed the money, then didn't need it :)

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jams:

ah

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juski:

anyway with all this going on my theming is taking a hit, so I'm not supporting the 4:3 themes anymore

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gardengnome:

it's time my s100 did something useful..

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jams:

i'm just starting to look at getting zoneminder setup. Someone threw a big pot of spahetti over the fence last week.

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jams:

so many cameras to choose from

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jams:

so little knowledge of my part

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juski:

spend as much as you can afford

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juski:

skip IR 'night vision'

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juski:

cameras if you can help it

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juski:

i.e. use separate cameras & lighting

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jams:

ok

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Torg:

juski do you know of a camera/lens that can pick up good images close up (as in mounted in front of the door and being able to see who is at the door?) so about 1 meter focal length

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jams:

i was hoping to find a nice little package to buy. But they seem very overpriced.

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gardengnome:

get those tesla towers from command & conquer

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juski:

the cameras with built-in IR LEDs usually end up putting a halo round the image

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juski:

Torg: fisheye lens :)

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juski:

Torg: wheeee http://cgi.ebay.com/Security-CCTV-Door-Viewer . . . cmdZViewItem

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juski:

actually I wouldn't mind one of them

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rsdvd:

Juski/torg : all the cameras I have are all 'cheap' ones with inbuilt IR.......and they work fine.......they are probably not broadcast quality – but yu can tell who is atthe front door

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Torg:

I have a project I am working on (sorta off and on) I need a camera that can see at the front door (coudl care less about IR it has a motion detection light on it) and one for the back yard (about 20 meters by 30 meters)

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Torg:

the back yard is realtivly easy, but its the able to see at the door and the driveway that has be confused

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Torg:

Im thinking ill ned 3 cameras

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Torg:

and thanks juski thats about what I was looking for, now if I can figure out how to route the damn AV wire across the door ill be good :)

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markit:

hi, new distro with mythtv + pluto + asterisk: http://linuxmce.com/

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gardengnome:

no shit? :)

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jams:

old news

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Torg:

so other then a voip PBX I wont use what will it give me to rip out my working infrastructure to use linuxmce?

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rsdvd:

has anyone here actually tried yet though?

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jams:

not that I know of

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** gardengnome not **

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jams:

perhaps if a iso was provided instead of install ubunta then install these packages

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GreyFoxx:

Torg: I liked the video gallery poster transitions... other than that I don't know :)

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jams:

i like the fact he is providing packages, but i'm not installing ubunta j

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Torg:

pluto sounds cool, but really do I want to make on failure point for the whole house? and hell I have a hard enough time staying OFF the cellphone, why would I want to be on it more?

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jams:

GreyFoxx- same here

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Torg:

now if pluto could activate that .50 cal :)

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gardengnome:

yeah, i don't want to depend on linuxmce for such, uh, crucial tasks. scepticism++

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GreyFoxx:

Torg: heh I have all of my services on seperate machines (firewall, pbx, and an array of video systems)

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Torg:

as do I

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GreyFoxx:

my analog phone lines are fed by a voip ata that has a fail over mode that if it looses power will auto fail over to the direct land line I have plugged into it

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GreyFoxx:

in case of power outages or server craziness

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Torg:

I loose power about once a week

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Torg:

power goes out so does voip

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Torg:

hence I have an analog line

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GreyFoxx:

Torg: I use the pbx for a lot of stuff, and direct my incoming phone line to the voip ata which feeds the house phones. But because of the ata having a fail over mode if I loose power all of the phones are directly connected to the outside line so I never loose phone connnectivity

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Torg:

I use my pbx all the time for work, esp for long distance calls

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jams:

heh sounds like you live in a data/call center

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Torg:

I use my analog line so ppl can call me, or so I can order pizza

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Torg:

umm some have commented I have a better infrastucte at home then my customers :)

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GreyFoxx:

heh I have a special * code for that. I have my pbx sip trunk calls prefixed with *8 to my companies phone system and our their lines

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Torg:

do you have a VCM cluster for your email :)

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GreyFoxx:

*7 activates the live voice modulator :)

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Torg:

as soon as those windmils come down in price ill have batter backup too :)

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GreyFoxx:

jams : hehe

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GreyFoxx:

I do :)

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GreyFoxx:

voice, video and data heh

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Torg:

I have point UPSs, when the power ggoes out you sure as hell know it

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Torg:

so GreyFoxx what do you use for voip to pots?

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GreyFoxx:

in my house I just use a X100P clone

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Torg:

no I mean to make long distance calls over voip

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GreyFoxx:

at work, well we are a phone company, so depending on where my call is destinated it can go anywhere

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GreyFoxx:

Torg: I don't. I just send them out my normal line, OR if it's work related I trunk it over to my office and out from there

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Torg:

ahh I dont have such a luxuray, I have plenty of voip equiment, all require a provicer to access the pots systems

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Torg:

for work I just use my cellphone, they pay for it after all

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GreyFoxx:

I put in the *8 cause I sometimes have to do support from home, and I don't want to tie up a house line, and sure as hell don't want the user to have my home # :)

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GreyFoxx:

Torg: same here, but when home I just use my voip phones

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GreyFoxx:

work pays lower LD that way than over the cell too

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Torg:

so what id like is a voip long distance service that downs have downhill serivce quaility that I can use for long distance while I use my pots phone for local calls

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GreyFoxx:

Torg: We're actually looking into doing that sort of thing

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rogue780:

I have a 500GB SATA drive and a 320GB ide drive, and I am wondering if there is a way to have linux combine them as a one big 820GB /videos mount?

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gardengnome:

rogue780: lvm.

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gardengnome:

rogue780: if one drive fails, however, all data will be lost

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rogue780:

gardengnome, that's what I thought, but I wasn't sure

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rogue780:

gardengnome, is it possible to add a second drive to it (I currently have all my recordings on the 320 drive) without re partitioning and formatting it all over again?

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rogue780:

and does anyone here use centos for the myth server?

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gardengnome:

rogue780: no. the 320G drive will have to be formatted/modified to become a physical volume for LVM, AFAIK. the LVM howto should be able to answer your questions better than i do

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rogue780:

gardengnome, thanks

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rogue780:

I have one more question, this time about zap2it

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fryfrog:

i think the basic idea would be, setup 500G with lvm. copy 320G's files to new LVM setup. add 320G drive to LVM

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gardengnome:

rogue780: you can keep your recordings, though. just copy them to a spare partition on the 500GB drive and extend the logical volume later...

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rogue780:

I lost the e-mail address that zap2it has, and my subscription expired today. the entire zap2it page seems to have changed, and I'm not sure how to renew my subscription, or even get a new one

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rogue780:

fryfrog, gardengnome, thanks

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fryfrog:

labs.zap2it.com

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rogue780:

fryfrog, thanks! made my life easier

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juski:

rogue780: not quite

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juski:

rogue780: they had shortages of cards around xmas time

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rogue780:

juski, so, the pvr-150's are back then?

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juski:

and, if you got an hvr1600 in a pvr150's place but you wanted it for linux, they'd happily let you return & exchange it for a real pvr150 card

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juski:

rogue780: I dunno for sure

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rogue780:

I'm trying to decided if I want another 150, or for less than twice the cost go ahead and get a 500

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rogue780:

any thoughts?

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juski:

depends. if you're in the UK I'd not bother since analogue telly is gonna be switched off in a couple of years or so

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juski:

anyway tis only a matter of time before the hvr1600 card is supported in linux

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juski:

rsdvd: re the halo effect – I think it depends on how wide angle the lens is on the camera

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fryfrog:

what is the hvr1600 anyway? just another analog mpeg2 card?

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juski:

fryfrog: mpeg2 encoder with HDTV tuner – like a hybrid but actually _dual_ :)

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rogue780:

The HVR-1600 is the same as the PVR-150 WITH an ATSC tuner (Over the Air HDTV)

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juski:

I guess technically the pvr500 is a _twin_ tuner/encoding card

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juski:

and the hvr1600 is technically a _dual_ tuner card

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fryfrog:

so with the HVR1600, you can do analog mpeg2 *or* HDTV at the same time?

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juski:

fryfrog: you can do analog mpeg2 AND HDTV and the same time

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juski:

one or the other or both

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fryfrog:

oh, wow

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juski:

just one channel of analogue & one ch. of hdtv though – you can't do dual analogue

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fryfrog:

right, makes sense

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fryfrog:

wonder if it'll support QAM

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fryfrog:

i suppose one shows up as /dev/video0 and the other as /dev/dvb0 or something ( i mean, assuming it worked in linux )

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juski:

fryfrog: yeah, well – it's kind of on the v4l guys' list

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fryfrog:

ah

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juski:

about 2 months ago they said 6–9 months before anything happens

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fryfrog:

so not an ivtv thing

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fryfrog:

oh

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juski:

nah it's cx88

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fryfrog:

fun :/

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juski:

er.. cx23418

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juski:

even ivtv is gonna be v4l eventually

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juski:

imagine that – ivtv in the kernel proper :)

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jams:

2.6.21 i think

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anykey_:

yay, my cable is back online

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juski:

driver devs are the great unsung heroes of linux IMHO

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jams:

oh 2.6.22

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** Pryon lives in an RF sink so the chances of not having to go through some kind of horrible converter box are pretty much 0. **

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rogue780|away:

did everyone see this yesterday?

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juski:

yeh

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juski:

the gmail paper one was good too

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rogue780|away:

juski, I have to admit, it had me for a se...wait, the gmail paper isn't real either? dammit...I am so gullible

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hjohnson:

rogue780|away: btw, did you know that gullible isn't actually in the dictionary?

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rogue780|away:

hjohnson, really?...*sarcasm alert*

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hjohnson:

:P

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rogue780|away:

maybe if I'd gone to the gmail paper site I would have realized...foolish me for relying on slashdot for me news

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hjohnson:

lol

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hjohnson:

but the gold farming RPG is real.

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juski:

rogue780|away: hey did you know that mythtv has been teamed up with a home control/security thingy on top of ubuntu? it's called LinuxEMOTV or something

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juski:

it's been hailed as the awesomest thing since er.. since the last most awesomest thing ever

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rogue780|away:

juski, eh? are you crankin my chain again?

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juski:

rogue780|away: sadly, no

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rogue780|away:

juski, that reminds me, I need to give superm1 the usplash for mythbuntu

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rogue780|away:

I kinda wish mythtv would team up with some sort of corporate entity and polish it a bit, but oh well

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rogue780|away:

I really must go now

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rogue780|away:

toodle-oo or whatnot

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juski:

aye

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juski:

can't see how a corporate entity would bring anything good to the party but hey ho

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doc_:

hi

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** jams kicks dirt at *buntu **

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fryfrog:

i think that comcast may have changed the HD channels on QAM out from under me ;(

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ectospasm:

juski: corporate entities can bring reliable bandwidth. I can download Ubuntu directly, but trying to get debian I have to either buy a CD, or use BT (which apparently no one is seeding right now). The Debian download instructions tell you NOT to use the direct HTTP/FTP options, since they'll be severely hobbled

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Pryon:

netinst?

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gardengnome:

umm

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gardengnome:

there are *a lot* of debian mirrors.

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Pryon:

Plus, an ISO is practically out of date as soon as it's created.

[16:07:13]

gardengnome:

this doesn't look like a slow debian mirror to me ;)

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gardengnome:

1% [ ] 12,363,176 1.75M/s ETA 06:59

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qu0zl:

ectospasm, what about jidgo? or is that deprecated

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qu0zl:

that was the official way to create an install iso a couple years back anyway

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gardengnome:

i tried to get openBSd cds. looks like you have to pay for 'em, too

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ectospasm:

qu0zl: I forgot about jigdo

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speedsix:

hi all

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Torg:

gardengnome http://openbsd.sabotage.org/

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Torg:

its not the "offical" ones however

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Torg:

if you want to actualy get the CDs I would go to cheapbytes

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Torg:

I have used them since back when making CDs was cost prohibitive

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speedsix:

how come the recording preview images have gotten smaller?

[16:11:47]

gardengnome:

na, i just wanna play with it in virtualbox

[16:12:20]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: hey, do you have still have thr URL to that surreal japanese video show? Mythlogbot doesn't have it :/

[16:13:23]

xris:

heh.. encoding HD video is really slow.

[16:15:06]

jams:

gardengnome- got a keyword to grep for?

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gardengnome:

jams: umm, "surrealism" :) it should be a few lines above that word

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gardengnome:

"a friend of mine is into surrealism" is what i seem to remember.

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** gardengnome needs to get out more ;) **

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jams:

one moment

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jams:

http://www.japanator.com/gorgeous-tiny-chicken-machine-show

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jams:

that one ?

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gardengnome:

jams: yay, thanks a lot! :)

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juski:

speedsix: in what theme?

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xris:

juski: got a lot of responses about the website redesign...

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DFG:

juski: it works fine :)

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juski:

xris: cool :)

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DFG:

oh well, "fine".. little bit tuning must be done.. but Id like to do it from sofa :)

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xris:

juski: thinking I may ask Isaac to create a new list for it.. maybe

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juski:

xris: so it'd be a group effort? not sure design by committee is such a good idea when there are so many feisty opinions floating around

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xris:

but like I said.. "maybe"

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DFG:

time for beer

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juski:

where I got stuck is that I couldn't see how the whole site would integrate into that layout

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juski:

that and the little icons

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xris:

yup

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xris:

it's definitely a concern

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juski:

tbh I think it's better off in more experienced hands anyway rather than a guy who bashes themes together ;)

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juski:

putting a website up is dead easy. making a well-designed site is not

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xris:

yup

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xris:

although you have a good eye for interface design...

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juski:

I'd love to have been able to say it was mine but hand on heart I've not got it in me.. not yet

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juski:

xris: maybe but I have no idea how many more themes I've got stashed away in here ;)

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xris:

heh

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xris:

well, at least with themes, you have the layout mostly done once, and the rest is just art.

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xris:

with this website, we have to redesign a bunch of stuff

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xris:

and layout design is the worst.

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juski:

I'm really looking forward to getting my teeth into the UI rework stuff once it starts appearing in earnest though

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xris:

in mythtv itself?

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juski:

yeah

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xris:

Isaac keeps talking about it being time for him to start on it...

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xris:

but I don't actually see him do much with it.

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juski:

from what I've seen in the source the seeds for some cool stuff have been sewn

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ernst:

are there any sollutions to this problem: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3109 ??

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xris:

um, don't run berryl?

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ernst:

is that a sollution, that is a work around

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janneg:

fix beryl

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xris:

well, since the ticket is still open, with no patch attached, I'm going to guess that there isn't a fix yet.

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ernst:

fix beryl?

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ernst:

all other apps work ok with fullscreen

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gbee:

doesn't mean that beryl works correctly

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juski:

wth is going on with radiotimes?

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juski:

I wonder if they're cutting down the amount of schedule data

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juski:

seems they are!

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juski:

the last date in an itv .dat file is 10/04/2007

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juski:

if this is really the case then I'll be switching to EIT for the terrestrial channels

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xris:

juski: americans would read that as "october 4th"

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xris:

you could always just do both. EIT will overwrite the listing-source data

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SlicerDicer-:

http://secondact.zoovy.com/product/HLR4266WRB what you think xris?

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** SlicerDicer- is thinking **

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xris:

cheap

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SlicerDicer-:

indeed :)

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xris:

only 720p, but so are most things these days

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SlicerDicer-:

yep

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SlicerDicer-:

I am not worried about 1080i

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SlicerDicer-:

or 1080p

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xris:

but it's so pretty.... (been watching Planet Earth on discovery)

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SlicerDicer-:

:)

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xris:

I'll eventually ponder and hdtv.

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SlicerDicer-:

yeah but xris does a tv need to be greater than 50 to see 1080?

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xris:

maybe once i upgrade my mythbox to something that can actually play hd

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xris:

dunno. I can see it on my 22" monitor. but granted, I'm 2' away

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SlicerDicer-:

yeah I need to slam a dual opty in my backend before they vanish :)

[17:24:54]

SlicerDicer-:

yeah

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SlicerDicer-:

I am thinking 720p be enough :)

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SlicerDicer-:

cause 720p is really the same amount of pixels as 1080i right?

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xris:

it's definitely a good price...

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SlicerDicer-:

cause progressive vs interlaced

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xris:

1280 * 720 * 60 < 1920 * 1088 * 30

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justdave:

I've got some movies in mp4 format... if I play them in VLC on my laptop they work fine, but playing them in MythVideo on the Myth box the audio and video get way out of sync with each other after a few minutes.

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justdave:

is there some trick to getting mplayer to keep the audio and video in sync?

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xris:

justdave: nope. could always switch to xine or Internal for video playback.

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xris:

no clue if either would be any better, though

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justdave:

the ones having problems are 720p. Wonder if it just needs too much horsepower

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SlicerDicer-:

justdave: eh?

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justdave:

well, as opposed to SD stuff which obviously works fine

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SlicerDicer-:

my backend's / frontends have no issues with 720p or 1080i playback

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justdave:

yeah, video's nice and clear, too, it's just out of sync :)

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justdave:

ok, found a recommendation in the mplayer man page to use "-autosync 30" for this situation

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xris:

justdave: could be. vlc is also really tolerant of glitches, etc.

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SlicerDicer-:

justdave: strange

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SlicerDicer-:

no matter what I have used I havent seen sync issues

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justdave:

mplayer man page says it does it automatically based on measurements from the sound drivers on your system

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justdave:

and some sound drivers don't provide accurate measurements

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juski:

bah

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wilco:

charlieS: Did you ever find a solution to irrecord/irw getting ENODEV with lirc?

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justdave:

adding -autosync 30 to the mplayer command line didn't seem to help any :(

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justdave:

ok, got it in sync with -framedrop

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justdave:

-autosync apparently keeps up when the audio is behind.

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justdave:

the video was behind in my case

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justdave:

"Skip displaying some frames to maintain A/V sync on slow systems."

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justdave:

so it's claiming my system is slow. :)

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justdave:

Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.66GHz

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it is slow :)

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it's a celeron cpu.

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juski:

muhahaha we just got an ultrasonic cat scarer

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justdave:

hmm, my laptop is ony 2.16 GHz

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justdave:

oh, but it's dual core, that probably helps :)

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gardengnome:

justdave: poor kitty :'(

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juski:

gardengnome: just think of all the kittens whose lives will be preserved though

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gardengnome:

juski: why, did you have a microwavic cat scarer before?

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juski:

hey now there's an idea!

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gardengnome:

works for car stereos as well.. ;)

[18:09:12]

juski:

www.juski.co.uk/kittenkiller.jpg – Dagmar did that

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gardengnome:

hehehe

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gardengnome:

rotfl

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Torg:

justdave what video card do you use? and do you use xvmc?

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justdave:

GeForce 6200

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Torg:

do you use xvmc?

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justdave:

been too long since I set this up. I remember seeing that before, but don't remember where to look for it

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Torg:

its an X module, part of the myth compile and you can test it with the nvidia-settings program

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Torg:

there shouldnt be any reason why your system can or can not play 720P or 1080I other then maybe the deinterlacing and what you display on

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justdave:

so it would probably be listed in xorg.conf then probably

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gardengnome:

justdave: i've got one of them.

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gardengnome:

justdave: sorry, i meant juski

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justdave:

I don't see it in xorg.conf

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Torg:

justdave ther isnt anything about it in the x.org conf file other then taking out a few modules

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juski:

gardengnome: worky in linuxy?

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Torg:

you need to use the nvidia video driver

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gardengnome:

juski: i never got it working in LIRC. but i didn't try too hard

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justdave:

Driver "nvidia"

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Torg:

thats it and add glx as a module taking out dri and GLcore

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gardengnome:

juski: it's supposed to be working. maybe the guy who built it for me screwed up something

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juski:

heh

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justdave:

glx is in there, dri and GLcode are not

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Torg:

what happens to the cpu when you play HD content?

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justdave:

with -framedrop in place, CPU is hitting about 95% or so

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juski:

we've started using some nice blue VFDs at work lately... slowly coming round to the idea of one living in my pc

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Torg:

run nvidia-setup see if it tells you xvmc is correct and your driver is ok

[18:22:16]

Torg:

you can also run "X -verbose 6 > X.log 2>&1" and see the diag from X

[18:22:37]

Torg:

you can either kill the X process or hit ctrl-alt-bksp once it is running

[18:23:02]

justdave:

I take framedrop out and it goes right up to 99%

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Torg:

wel to give you an idea I have a dial core P4 3GHZ that runs maybe 30% when playing HD

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Torg:

1080I or 720P irregardless

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Torg:

a celeron woild be about 75–80% of a P4 at the same clock rate

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justdave:

ok, I'm in nvidia-setup, what am I looking for?

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Torg:

so I really cant see how your system is underpowerd

[18:25:10]

Torg:

there should be an info screen on it, its been too long since I ran it myself

[18:25:21]

Torg:

I belive there is something about direct rendering on it, or similar

[18:25:29]

Torg:

if you wait a few I can start mine and look

[18:25:50]

Torg:

it will tell you if the nvidia driver is working properly

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Torg:

there is also a kernal module you need to run called nvidia as well

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justdave:

screen is 1024x768. content is 1280x720. wonder if the downscaling kills it

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Torg:

oh hell yes it does

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Torg:

sorry I probbly shoudl have aksed what you were displaying to first

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justdave:

it's using the S-video out to a standard def television

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justdave:

(via an RF modulator)

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Torg:

wait, let me get this stright. You are playing HD content to a non HD compliant display with a non HD connection?

[18:28:14]

justdave:

yeah, pretty much.

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justdave:

be nice if I had a real diplay but that costs money :)

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justdave:

was using the hardware I had first, I'll improve on it as money becomes available

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Torg:

ether downsample the video, transcoding it to SD with video quality loss set significatly high, or get a display that does not need resizing to display video

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justdave:

my laptop's screen is 1280x960, so full screen on 720p video is natural resolution I guess

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justdave:

er, 1440x900 actually

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Torg:

1280x720 is 720I/P

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justdave:

it's bigger than 1280x720 anyhow :)

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Torg:

1920x1080 is 1080I/P

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Torg:

if you display the video to any size/ratio that is not those apsects it requres down/up sizing

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Torg:

that resizing takes a significant ammount of CPU, as you have already observed

[18:33:37]

justdave:

I have a 24" LCD display in the basement that's 1920x1600 or something like that.

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justdave:

but that's smaller than the 32" TV (even though the resolution sucks on the TV)

[18:34:39]

Torg:

also aspect ratio's of lcd montiors are 16:10 not 16:9

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Torg:

you cant resize a LCD, its fixed

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justdave:

hmm, my xorg.conf already lists 1280x1024 as a choice for screen resolution

[18:35:09]

justdave:

but it doesn't show up on the menus in the gui

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Torg:

1280x1024 is not a TV resolution, and is not divisible to 1280x720

[18:36:01]

Torg:

not unless you run mythtv in a window and not as the full display

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Torg:

btw 1280x1024 is 4:3 not 16:9 or 16:10

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justdave:

yeah, which is an SD resolution

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Torg:

sd ASPECT RATIO

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Torg:

not resoluition

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justdave:

yeah, that's what I meant. :) SD resolution is tiny

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Torg:

up/downscaling resolution is a simple math computaiton and takes a bit of cpu

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Torg:

resaling apsct and resoltion takes significant cpu, thats what you are doing

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hjohnson:

Torg: depends on how fancy of an upscaling technique you use though.. going up can be pretty cpu intensive.

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** hjohnson ponders 2d interpolation **

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Torg:

yes hjohnson if you size it corectly you can lower cpu impact

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justdave:

it's doing the horizontal bars above/below though

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Torg:

but mostly doing 16:9 to 4:3 is cpu intensive

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justdave:

so it's not changing the aspect ratio

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Torg:

so what do you want me to tell you, its still eating cpu

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justdave:

yeah.

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justdave:

re-encoding the files sounds like the best option at this point

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Torg:

im not entirely certain what my P4 would do if I tried

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justdave:

until I have better display hardware anyway

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justdave:

this is my first dabbling with HD content really, and I must say it looks sweet on the laptop :)

[18:44:35]

justdave:

gonna convince me to shell out for real hardware for the living room I think

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Torg:

I can tell you my non technical wife thinks so much of HD tv that she now allows me to put comptuers in the living room and wont watch SD unless she has to

[18:47:02]

Torg:

she now actually complains about the *lack* of quality on DVDs

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hjohnson:

Torg: lol

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hjohnson:

I just don't see the point of HD for the most part.. there's such a dearth of good content, that watching crap in HD is still crap... just in higher detail.

[18:49:45]

Torg:

and watching SD in HD you can really see the crap too :P

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Torg:

but yes, its a matter of opionion

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hjohnson:

of course, i'm looking at buying a sharp aquos 32"

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Torg:

every time I change that bulb in my DLP I think of doing that hjohnson :P

[18:51:31]

Torg:

I love the 61" DLP, it does 1080I which is fine

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hjohnson:

and an apple tv to convert into a mythfrontend.

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Torg:

the damn bulbs are $350 a pop tho

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hjohnson:

wow, this inuit chick I know is going to have twins...

[18:51:54]

hjohnson:

tiny little woman, with twins..

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Torg:

if those apple tvs dis 1080P id get one

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hjohnson:

Torg: I couldn't really care about 1080p

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Torg:

I dont ether but I do care about 1080I

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Torg:

at least for now

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sdog:

any .be users seeing troubles with mythfilldatabase lately ?

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fryfrog:

I <3 HD :(

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fryfrog:

at least, the shows that are in HD

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fryfrog:

Law & Order (SVU too), Lost, Heroes, some discovery programs...

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fryfrog:

mmmmm

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Torg:

my name is earl, the office

[19:15:15]

fryfrog:

ah yeah, both are great

[19:15:20]

Torg:

nova

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fryfrog:

Nova?

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Torg:

you never have seen Nova?

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fryfrog:

as in, the science show?

[19:16:07]

Torg:

yes as in teh show that is now in its 32'd season

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Torg:

sorry 34'th

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fryfrog:

humm, i don't see it listed as HD in my listings

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fryfrog:

on the public stations?

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Torg:

maybe it depends on PBS station

[19:16:44]

Torg:

yes

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fryfrog:

humm, i wonder if I have PBS HD from the firewire box

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Torg:

our PBS was the first station in this area to go to HD, I dunno about other places

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Torg:

its the one station that I can get damn near all the time

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Torg:

has a 90+ snr

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fryfrog:

ah

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Torg:

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Torg:

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Torg:

thats dayitme, at night it damn near doubbles

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Torg:

right now I can only get about 1/2 the HD stations

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fryfrog:

finds it on WGTV in my area

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Torg:

but since I dont care to watch daytime tv :)

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fryfrog:

lets see what labs says

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Torg:

check antennaweb

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fryfrog:

i get all my signal via cable, but maybe antennaweb can give me the station name i guess

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Torg:

yes you can see at least if it bcast origionally in HD or not

[19:21:14]

Torg:

your cable company may not want to cary it in HD

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fryfrog:

ah

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Torg:

cable comapnies woudlnt carry PBS in HD if the lcoal PUCs didnt make them

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fryfrog:

ah, doesn't look like there is an HD PBS station

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fryfrog:

just SD

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fryfrog:

man, Nova in HD sounds awesome

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Torg:

that and nova science rocks !

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fryfrog:

looks like it plays on a view channels though, i'll set it up to record on any channel and see what i get

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fryfrog:

i really need to figure out recording groups :)

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Torg:

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fryfrog:

it would be smart to put stuff like mythbusters, monster garage, nova, etc into a "Science" group

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Torg:

it does bcast in atsc

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Torg:

I was pretty sure it did, I belive all station now do

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fryfrog:

Athans, i probably couldn't even get that with an antenna

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Torg:

how far are you from it?

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fryfrog:

how 23.7

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fryfrog:

wtf

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fryfrog:

how can i be 20 miles from it?

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Torg:

your plenty close

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Torg:

tower

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fryfrog:

athens is like at *least 80 miles from atlanta

[19:25:06]

fryfrog:

yeah, 20 miles is hardly much more than the others

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Torg:

where in hotlants do you live? where do they bcast from? :)

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fryfrog:

but i guess since its not *atlanta* they don't carry it on cable

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fryfrog:

I live near six flags

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Torg:

antennaweb can give you closer informaiton

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Torg:

all I can do is plug in zip code and get close

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fryfrog:

yeah, i threw in my zip 30126

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Torg:

I use a Winegard HD7080p works great

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fryfrog:

It'd probably be easier than trying to deal with this QAM crap

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Torg:

do you want my anti-cable soap box speach :P

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t0ny-p40:

What packages do I need to make mytharchive work?

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fryfrog:

why bother, i'm already anti-cable :p

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Torg:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythArchive#Dependencies

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fryfrog:

but i'd rather have the 300+ channels than the 6 i'd pick up OTA

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Torg:

ouch you live too far out

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Torg:

it would be dificult at best

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t0ny-p40:

Torg, thanks

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Torg:

hmm antennawek is soung you need a long distance directional antenna but are about 15 miles from it????

[19:31:24]

t0ny-p40:

No wonder why I had none of its commands. I was sshed into the wrong box! :P

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charlieS:

wilco: no — still broken for mceusb2 under HEAD :(

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kormoc:

charlieS, what is broken?

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wilco:

I got a WInTV Radio (soft tuner+radio) and mine is doing the same thing

[19:58:30]

wilco:

I was trying to do that because half the keys on my remote don't respond

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tzanger:

wow the internal player in mythtv is pretty nice

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tzanger:

(using minimyth for the first time)

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s34n:

which VIA cores work best with mythtv?

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Torg:

its not a matter of mythtv its a matter of linux

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s34n:

well, some have mpeg encoding/decoding abilities, etc., right?

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dan__t:

HI.

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dan__t:

So without fear of being called an idiot for a dumb question... does MythTV have a component which would enable many MythTV machines to sortof link up to eachother and share content?

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sECuRE_:

yes

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dan__t:

Say I have, uh, a home video, and my buddy across the way has a mythtv box as well, and I want to share this home made family video to her.

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dan__t:

or something.

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sECuRE_:

it's separated into backend and frontend

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s34n:

dan__t: yes

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dan__t:

I know.

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sECuRE_:

you can run a master backend and let many other backends connect to it

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dan__t:

What is said component referred to?

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dan__t:

Oh, ok.

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dan__t:

But I don't want to stream content or anything, I want to copy and store it.

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sECuRE_:

hm, not sure about that then

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sECuRE_:

it should work when playing the content, but i don't know if it copies it

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dan__t:

because streaming to a client from a server behind a 256k uplink, is fun.

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sECuRE_:

why don't you just use NFS or Samba?

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dan__t:

Because I want the interface to be silly stupid.

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dan__t:

Maybe a module of some sort for MythTV.

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sECuRE_:

hum..

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dan__t:

Can't expect Grandpa to go nuts on the Gibson just to see the family's vacation footage, you know?

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sECuRE_:

guess your friend can use konqueror or something gui-based to explore shares?

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dan__t:

what if my family video happens to be in blu-ray or something

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sECuRE_:

blu-ray?

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dan__t:

yep.

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sECuRE_:

the video disc format?

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dan__t:

Yep.

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sECuRE_:

ah

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dan__t:

High quality family video.

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sECuRE_:

well, you'll need a fast CPU then ;)

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dan__t:

Again, save streaming – I want to copy the family video from one "side" to the "other". Not stream it.

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anykey_:

dan__t: mythtv will not support sharing of content in any way I think... because of legal issues...

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dan__t:

Ah, ok. Guess that's what I'm looking for then.

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dan__t:

er, the answer I was looking for.

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sECuRE_:

i think smb/nfs-shares are a pretty easy way to share whatever content you like

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s34n:

dan

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dan__t:

s34n

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s34n:

dan__t: just sneakernet the dvd

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dan__t:

That would imply that my lazy ass needs to get off of the couch, to watch a movie, thereby defeating the purpose of a DVR/PVR

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s34n:

not at all

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dan__t:

Guess I'll be waiting a long time anyway if I'm going to copy a blu-ray family video.

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s34n:

you can front-end to your friends back end to watch the movie

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s34n:

you aren't asking about how to watch the movie

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dan__t:

omg.

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dan__t:

no streaming. i don't want to stream over a crap uplink

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s34n:

right. and you don't want to nfs or anything else

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s34n:

and you don't want to actually insert the dvd into your own console

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juski:

placeshifting isn't coming to mythtv any time soon

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dan__t:

placeshifting?

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s34n:

dan__t: you want to sit on a couch and have somebody feed to gelatin and chang the channels for you?

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dan__t:

what

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dan__t:

No, that's what a remote is for.

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s34n:

do you have the dvd or don't you?

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s34n:

if you have the dvd, stick it in your console and be done

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dan__t:

But what if Grandpa and Grandma live in Frankfurt and they don't want to wait for FedEx or some such

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dan__t:

Nevermind, I see what you guys are saying. Seriously, I do.

[21:35:08]

dan__t:

or a mouse. or a stylus. or telepathically. i don't care.

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juski:

the reason you'll never see anything like you suggest – in all probability is the same reason that you will never see an official mythtv bittorrent plugin

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s34n:

I don't know of any blu0ray home cameras

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dan__t:

haha that would be awesome, juski.

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dan__t:

Suppose this one does, s34n

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dan__t:

er. wtf.

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juski:

anyway... zzzzzzz

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juski:

g'night

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dan__t:

Thanks for the help.

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s34n:

suppose grandma rent the "home video" from netflix

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dan__t:

Alright, I'll figure something out.

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dan__t:

coda.

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dan__t:

Yep, I'll use Coda.

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s34n:

does anybody here recommend one VIA chipset over another for video playback?

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dcstimm:

hey guys, I just got mythtv running on my appletv

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dcstimm:

its slow but it works

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s34n:

dcstimm: how much effort did it take?

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dcstimm:

very little

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dcstimm:

remote was a pain

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hads:

dcstimm: Nice work

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s34n:

dcstimm: did you wipe out the original os?

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dcstimm:

I didn't, I just installed it like they did perian or any other package

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dcstimm:

ssh in, since I didnt need mouse support it was easy

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hads:

How slow is slow?

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dcstimm:

takes a couple seconds for it to load

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dcstimm:

then it comes up with no problems

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dcstimm:

some of the menu items are slow

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hads:

To boot you mean?

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dcstimm:

yeah

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hads:

That's no major. All my boxes take a while to boot.

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dcstimm:

I wish it had gigibit ethernet

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dcstimm:

other than that its awesome..

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dcstimm:

wait it might have gigabit

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hads:

So you compiled mythtv on the box?

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dcstimm:

256mb of ram is plenty

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dcstimm:

hads, no I used the one that is already compiled for osx online

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hads:

Ah OK

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hads:

Is it quiet?

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dcstimm:

setting up mysql was a bit tougher

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dcstimm:

hads, no noise

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hads:

Nice

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dcstimm:

hads, no fans!

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hads:

Excellent.

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dcstimm:

passive cooling

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dcstimm:

component and hdmi out, got 1366x768 perfect to my display

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dcstimm:

I tried to get it working with a macmini but it was lame

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dcstimm:

stupid overscan on the DVI port

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hads:

You're using the Mac remote?

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dcstimm:

yeah, it comes with one

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hads:

Pity it's got no buttons :)

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dcstimm:

its perfect

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dcstimm:

couldnt ask for a better remote for it

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dcstimm:

my girl friend uses it because its simple

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hads:

How did you integrate the remote with myth?

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dcstimm:

it works automaticly like the left right up down arrow keys, but the menu button is mapped to esc and volume is mapped to [ and ]

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hads:

So you can map the keys in OSX somewhere?

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hads:

And it just appears as a keypress

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sECuRE_:

mythtv on os x is quite resource intensive i think

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sECuRE_:

much more then any application i use on my macbook

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dcstimm:

sECuRE_, for sure

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dcstimm:

sECuRE_, a linux distro for the appletv would fix that

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sECuRE_:

well, i don't want to watch stuff in my livingroom on tv or something.. i prefer watching on computers

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dcstimm:

sECuRE_, thats cool, but I have a huge tv:)

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sECuRE_:

my TFTs have far better quality then my tv

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dcstimm:

sECuRE_, yeah but I can't curl up with my girl friend while doing so

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GreyFoxx:

sECuRE_: I believe part of the CPU issue with myth on the mac's is that myth doesn't use any of the hardwre mpeg decoding which other software and drivers can use

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GreyFoxx:

Eventually it will be there

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sECuRE_:

dcstimm: i have no girl friend.. maybe that's the reason ;)

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jd86:

Is anyone else ever having problems with the backend starting wayyy too many commercial flagging jobs when it is set to 1 max for the box???

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GreyFoxx:

There just isn't many devs using myth on OSX

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GreyFoxx:

I haven't even bothered to install it on mine

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Torg:

-dmwaters- {global notice} Hi all! Our sponsor for our EU hub needs to do some emergency maintenence. We need to do some rerouting and this will be very noisy. Sorry for the inconvenience, and thank you for using freenode!

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hads:

The appletv is fairly cheap here so it's an interesting option for a frontend.

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hads:

Yeah

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jd86:

That was noisy.

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s34n:

lists for $300, but street price is what?

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s34n:

dcstimm: what is street price?

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hads:

Well it's NZ$498 over here and you wouldn't be able to build a silent frontend for that.

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jd86:

http://pastebin.ca/421575 << and this is set to 1 job max... whats going on!!??

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dcstimm:

s34n, $299

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Torg:

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObje . . . mily=AppleTV

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Torg:

with 40M drive

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dcstimm:

40gb drive doesnt matter

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dcstimm:

it is streaming off my backend

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Torg:

it wont play HDTV tho

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dcstimm:

yeah it will

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dcstimm:

I have ton of 720p content on it

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Torg:

Supported Audio Formats – AAC (16 to 320 Kbps); protected AAC (from iTunes Store); MP3 (16 to 320 Kbps); MP3 VBR; Apple Lossless; AIFF; WAV

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Torg:

see AC3 anywhere in that?

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dcstimm:

Torg, install perian

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dan__t:

Huh. If those AppleTV machines can run MythTV, that'd be pretty tight.

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dan__t:

Can one expect decent quality and such?

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dcstimm:

dan__t, its awesome, I am using one now

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dan__t:

Do you like it so far?

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dcstimm:

yeah

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dan__t:

100/1000 network?

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Torg:

can you get it to play from myth?

[22:14:25]

dcstimm:

its by far the best frontend solution I have used

[22:14:32]

hads:

It's only 10/100

[22:14:36]

dan__t:

oh ok.

[22:14:46]

dcstimm:

dan__t, not sure but its 802.11n

[22:14:46]

dan__t:

I've not used MythTV in such a long time.... can one expect good quality at 100mbit?

[22:14:49]

dan__t:

oooh

[22:14:52]

dan__t:

even better.

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Torg:

easily

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hads:

100mbit is plenty

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dcstimm:

dan__t, no problems with 100mbit

[22:15:09]

dan__t:

Rad.

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dcstimm:

iv got it hooked to it now

[22:15:24]

dan__t:

So what kind of solutions do I have here for digital cable

[22:15:29]

dcstimm:

I wish I had a n router

[22:15:37]

t0ny-p40:

My mythbox crashed at "Encoding Chapter Menu..." when I was exporting a video to a dvd. Is it possible to restart from that point?

[22:15:47]

sECuRE_:

i'm even using mythtv via WLAN, one doesn't even notice that, watching tv in full quality (not HD)

[22:16:30]

dan__t:

Do they even make digital cable cards?

[22:18:05]

dan__t:

Looks like people are just piping the output from the digital cable box to another unencrypted input

[22:18:11]

dan__t:

But it seems like that solution, well, sucks.

[22:18:34]

Torg:

VIDEO: MPEG2 1920x1080 (aspect 3) 29.970 fps 65000.0 kbps (8125.0 kbyte/s)

[22:18:36]

Torg:

AC3: 5.1 (3f+2r+lfe) 48000 Hz 384.0 kbit/s

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Torg:

thats a real 1080I bcast, easily done over 100Base-T

[22:19:28]

dan__t:

very cool.

[22:19:50]

Torg:

its US ATSC btw

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dan__t:

ok.

[22:20:05]

dan__t:

I don't know all the mumbo jumbo.

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Torg:

what mumbo jumbo?

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dan__t:

terms and such

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dan__t:

heh

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Torg:

its mpeg2 (the encoding) at 1920x1080 (the resolution, in this case interlaces or 1080I) at 29.970 fps (NTSC/ATSC standard) resulting in a 65000 kbps file

[22:22:27]

dan__t:

ahhh.

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Torg:

the audio is AC3, at 5.1 or 3 front (right, left, center) 2 rear (rear right, rear left) and one Low Filed Effect (subwoffer) at 48000 HZ sample rate, resulting in a 384 kbits/s

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Torg:

add the two together and you get 65384 kbps needed to stream the recording

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dan__t:

nice.

[22:26:31]

dan__t:

OK, so, digital cable – how does one manage that?

[22:27:09]

Torg:

with a QAM card, and hope to hell your cable company donst encrypt their channels

[22:27:50]

dan__t:

oh, well, scratch that

[22:28:16]

GreyFoxx:

or like most, just plug the output of a digital box into your tuner

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grOogle is now known as groOgle

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dan__t:

Then do I need to sit there and hit 'start' and 'stop' on the record or something?

[22:28:56]

Torg:

or use firewire to the cbale box and hope thye dont use 5C

[22:29:15]

GreyFoxx:

no, let myth use an IR blaster, or if it's firewire capable you can record from there if the channels are not encrypted

[22:29:36]

Torg:

GreyFoxx is an optomist :)

[22:29:51]

GreyFoxx:

Torg: Not one of my channels is encrypted on firewire here

[22:30:04]

Torg:

you dont live in the US either

[22:30:04]

GreyFoxx:

so a couple hundred digital available, including the pvp stuff

[22:30:14]

dan__t:

I'm quite certain that my cable co encrypts.

[22:30:45]

t0ny-p40:

GreyFoxx, who do you have and where do you live?

[22:30:51]

Torg:

they are not suposed to encrypt local channels

[22:31:15]

dan__t:

What the F am I going to do with local channels, anyway.

[22:31:15]

dan__t:

heh

[22:31:22]

GreyFoxx:

t0ny-p40: Halifax, Nova Scotia , Canada. The cable company is called "Eastlink"

[22:31:28]

dan__t:

What kind of things should I be reading up on to use the ir blaster method?

[22:31:53]

Torg:

well first look up what an ir blaster is

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GreyFoxx:

I have a QAM capable card arriving tomorrow to start recording directly

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dan__t:

dcstimm, what kind of card is in that AppleTV box?

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Torg:

ehternet? what do you mean?

[22:34:35]

dan__t:

video device

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Torg:

its an nvidia chip, not really a card

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dan__t:

oh, what kind of output should one expect?

[22:35:22]

Torg:

720P or 1080I

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dan__t:

oh, duh.

[22:35:34]

dan__t:

brb

[22:36:01]

hads:

It will be interesting when someone gets Linux booting easily on it.

[22:36:28]

Torg:

it would be intersting if it coula act as a frontend, even if it simply played recorded tv via upnp

[22:36:32]

dan__t:

Didn't dcstimm do it?

[22:36:59]

t0ny-p40:

GreyFoxx, I live in caldwell, idaho and my cable co is cable one and they think firewire is a type of firewall :)

[22:38:23]

Torg:

dcstimm said he had one, not that he was using it as a frontend, nor that it was reading stuff from his backend

[22:39:01]

GreyFoxx:

Well, he said he got mythfrontend working on it

[22:39:24]

GreyFoxx:

didn't explicitly say playing video, but it was implied :)

[22:39:52]

hads:

Yes, he is running mythfrontend which is cool. I think it would be interesting with Linux running.

[22:39:53]

Torg:

he must have done someting to it then

[22:40:26]

dan__t:

Oh, so what does it run natively?

[22:40:35]

hads:

He installed perian or whatever it's called.

[22:40:36]

dan__t:

I think dcstimm needs to come back for a few minutes heh

[22:40:46]

dan__t:

.wtf?

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Torg:

H.464, snf mpeg4 according to spec

[22:41:01]

Torg:

its all on that spec sheet form apple

[22:41:10]

hads:

Running Linux I can then use lirc with a remote with actual buttons :)

[22:41:42]

hads:

I might pick one up to have a play with when I have some spare time

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Torg:

Im actly wondering if it even can do mpeg2

[22:41:59]

GreyFoxx:

Torg: That's just the hardware support and appletv supported codecs

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GreyFoxx:

It's capable of decoding mpeg2

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Torg:

altho if it can do H.464 it would be sorta implied

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GreyFoxx:

apples built in stuff just wont do it

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dcstimm:

hey I am back sorry

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Torg:

right, it probbly uses a dsp to do the decoding, one that cant do say mpeg2/ac3

[22:42:42]

hads:

If it can run X with the nvidia drivers then it can play most things.

[22:42:56]

GreyFoxx:

Torg: IT's capable, they just don't allow it in their software

[22:43:08]

GreyFoxx:

but you can still do the decoding of mpeg2 in cpu. At lesat at SD resolutions

[22:43:13]

Torg:

its quite posible the thing runs a dsp that you dont have drivers for

[22:43:17]

dcstimm:

dan__t, what did you ask earlier?

[22:43:22]

Torg:

GreyFoxx do you have one?

[22:43:30]

GreyFoxx:

Torg: A coworker does

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GreyFoxx:

he had one shipped the first day they were avialable

[22:43:45]

Torg:

do they play mp23/ac3 streams on it?

[22:43:49]

dan__t:

Just wondering which OS it runs, what you run MythTV on top of, etc etc

[22:43:57]

Torg:

err mpeg2

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GreyFoxx:

Torg: the "AppleTV" software doesn't. But he does yes

[22:44:40]

dcstimm:

GreyFoxx, well I just added ssh support and added mysql, it is the vanilla appletv OS

[22:44:44]

dcstimm:

which is 10.4.7

[22:44:45]

Torg:

runing what software?

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sECuRE_:

http://www.hackint0sh.org/forum/showthread.php?t=577

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hads:

Torg: OSX

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GreyFoxx:

Torg: He has since installed mplayer, vlc and was going to have ago at myth tonight

[22:45:14]

GreyFoxx:

IT's just OSX customized really

[22:45:24]

dcstimm:

GreyFoxx, mythfronend works fine

[22:45:25]

Torg:

thanks hads that would be the OS not the application that renders mpeg2 :)

[22:45:49]

dcstimm:

since the frontend didn't need a mouse, I didnt have to install 10.4.9 full OSX

[22:45:59]

Torg:

dcstimm do you have any 720P or 1080I mpeg2 bcast stuff to run on it?

[22:46:12]

dcstimm:

Torg, just bittorrent

[22:46:24]

dcstimm:

Torg, Its my bittorrent box

[22:46:34]

Torg:

id like to know how it performs with ATSC content

[22:46:46]

dcstimm:

Torg, I run bittorrent-curses though the command line so its perfect

[22:47:02]

Torg:

I fully understand what you meant by bittorrent

[22:47:05]

dcstimm:

Torg, digital sound is amazing, and it handles 720p content with no issues

[22:47:10]

Torg:

it dosnt answer if it can play atsc tho

[22:47:22]

Torg:

720P in what format? h.464?

[22:47:26]

dan__t:

OK, I need to pick one up.

[22:47:26]

dcstimm:

Torg, if osx can run it, then it can be modified to work

[22:47:37]

Torg:

*IF* the box is powerfull enogh

[22:47:38]

GreyFoxx:

ummm H.264 not 464

[22:47:53]

Torg:

yes GreyFoxx, my fat fingers :P

[22:47:55]

dcstimm:

Torg, what ever lost, prisonbreak, office and heroes format is in

[22:48:05]

Torg:

from apple, right?

[22:48:10]

dcstimm:

from bittorrent

[22:48:13]

GreyFoxx:

I've been highly tempted to order one myself

[22:48:39]

Torg:

umm that isnt mpeg2, and most almost certainly not even HDTV content

[22:48:45]

dcstimm:

I mounted my NFS volume to my movie collection and its working fine

[22:48:57]

dcstimm:

Torg, whatever, it looks amazing

[22:48:57]

Torg:

byw this channel is logged, I wouldnt go saying you download tv shows with bittorrent here

[22:49:11]

dcstimm:

Torg, oh no

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dcstimm:

;-/

[22:49:58]

Torg:

id send you a real atsc bcast where it not for the fact its about 7G/hr

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dcstimm:

Torg, if you can play it in osx, then you can play it on appletv

[22:50:35]

Torg:

again, IF it is powerfull enough

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dcstimm:

Torg, I don't think it will be a problem

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dustybin:

imagine apple made a box with tv tuner cards inside

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dcstimm:

dustybin, they wouldn't they want you to buy their content on itunes store

[22:51:43]

Torg:

im not familiar enogh with macos to know but id like to know what bogomips are for it and what lspci shows

[22:51:45]

dustybin:

i see

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dcstimm:

dustybin, plus I think steve jobs finds coax ports to be ugly:)

[22:52:21]

Torg:

they could be using a dsp much in the same way we use xvmc but to render the whole thing

[22:52:22]

dustybin:

lol

[22:52:46]

dcstimm:

Torg, its a 1ghz pentium M, i dont think it will be a problem

[22:52:50]

Torg:

if you had to offload that rendering to the cpu I can fully see how it is not powerfull enough to play ATSC content

[22:52:54]

hads:

I imagine it just uses the nvidia chip

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dustybin:

i had a play with iTV, the gui is very nice

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dcstimm:

it is nice

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Torg:

1 1ghz pentium M is not powerfull enough to play ATSC content

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dcstimm:

very smooth

[22:53:30]

Torg:

its just about under the limit

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dcstimm:

Torg, if it off loads it to the video card it is

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dcstimm:

Torg, osx has core video support

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Torg:

ok to give you an ida I use a daul core p4

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Torg:

WITH offloading to xvmc it used about 1/3 of the 3ghz cpu

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dcstimm:

Torg, with linux, which has no gpu help

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Torg:

WITHOUT offloading it uses about 50%

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Torg:

what do you think xvmc does?

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dcstimm:

Torg, buggy, still in developement software that uses X windows?

[22:55:37]

Torg:

not at all, it works fine

[22:55:39]

dcstimm:

i have a nvidia card that has issues with it

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Torg:

then I would think it was a hardware/driver issue

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dcstimm:

Torg, probably

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Torg:

xvmc dosnt exactly deocde mpeg2 it simply does the DCT or prediction frames

[22:57:08]

dcstimm:

Torg, im sure apple has better nvidia drivers and hardware support in that

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Torg:

it offloads about 50% of the work to decode mpeg2, sorta depnds on encoding

[22:57:28]

Torg:

better then nvidia publishes?

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dcstimm:

Torg, where are you getting this video from?

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Torg:

ATSC cards

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dcstimm:

Torg, most likely

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Torg:

I have to B2C2 cards that are connects to a roof airial antenna

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dcstimm:

Torg, covert it?

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Torg:

I get 14 channels of HDTV

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GreyFoxx:

The OSX Quartz drivers are MUCH better than XvMC. In only because they are generally more stable and offload all the decoding :)

[22:58:32]

Torg:

why in the hell would I want to convert it?

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Torg:

the entire idea is to get high quality video

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Torg:

converting it would be like putting a govoner on your racecar

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Torg:

why?

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dcstimm:

Torg, well filesize for one

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dcstimm:

Torg, compression still looks good

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Torg:

thats why I had an array

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dcstimm:

its just not worth it in my opinion to go overboard like that

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Torg:

compression, by its defenition is a loss formula

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hjohnson:

Torg: sure, but it's a matter as to whether it's perceptable loss or not.

[22:59:55]

Torg:

the ONLY way to get rid of bits from a mpeg stream is to loose pixels

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hjohnson:

Torg: bzzt.

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dcstimm:

Torg, sure, but I can't tell the difference

[23:00:11]

Torg:

and on a 61" DLP you can see it, I assure you

[23:00:18]

hjohnson:

Torg: uh, no you can't.

[23:00:22]

hjohnson:

depending on wha tyou do.

[23:00:30]

hjohnson:

(I had to add that caveat there)

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dcstimm:

I can't tell the difference between broadcast and shows I get off torrent

[23:00:57]

Torg:

look at the bright white and black to see the banding for one

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offset:

Is anyone running a stable version of mvpmc? I think i need to downgrade mythtv, but i'm not sure what version is stable with mvpmc.

[23:01:01]

hjohnson:

Torg: only if you used a bad mpeg4 compressor.

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dcstimm:

Torg, well not on my tv or my eyes for that matter

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hjohnson:

Torg: a decent compression engine can produce provably better video at lower bitrates than mpeg2.

[23:01:51]

Torg:

the appletv looks promising, but so far I cant see any proof it can reliably play mpeg2

[23:02:15]

Torg:

hjohnson what you say is a matter of opinion

[23:02:25]

hjohnson:

Torg: no, it's a matter of mathmatical certainty.

[23:03:25]

Torg:

sometimes it is quite close, but still worse

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hjohnson:

go back to your crack man.

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dcstimm:

lol

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hjohnson:

I suppose you think vynil is better than CDs too, since CDs have all those nasty jagged bits since it's discrete output.

[23:04:22]

dcstimm:

Torg, im sure this little appletv can play anything my dual 2.4ghz xeons could play

[23:05:17]

dcstimm:

model name : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.40GHz

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dcstimm:

bogomips : 4848.32

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Torg:

dcstimm im not saying it cant, just that I would like to see it rather then guess at it

[23:06:20]

Torg:

I thought you said it was a 1ghs pentium M?

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hjohnson:

ok...

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Torg:

a goess its its closer to 2000 bogomips

[23:06:40]

Torg:

not exactly a good measurement, but it still gives a rough estimate

[23:07:58]

Torg:

yes I woudl rather see how it can do DCTs

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hjohnson:

it's just a slightly nderclocked 1 GHz Pentium M

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hjohnson:

with 256MB of RAM, a slow HD, and a somewhat decent video card.

[23:10:12]

offset:

is mythtv fixes the same as 0.20_p12172?

[23:10:48]

Torg:

yes hjohnson sticly from hardware spec I would guess it is just under or right at the ability to play 1080 streams

[23:11:00]

Torg:

but that would be me guessing, still id like to see

[23:11:30]

Torg:

offset I would think the P12172 refers to a revision of SVN

[23:11:41]

Torg:

but there is nothign noted if its 20-fixes or trunk

[23:12:01]

offset:

Torg: all i get is the svn number with gentoo

[23:12:26]

Torg:

yes, my guess is whoever made the package added the revision number

[23:12:37]

Torg:

I do it myslef to track my own packages

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offset:

anyone know at what version mythtv switched to protocol 23?

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Torg:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/12904/tr . . . ythcontext.h

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