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Sunday, April 1st, 2007, 00:01 UTC

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juski:

bipolar: no probs :)

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juski:

bipolar: don't forget the v4lctl command at startup ;)

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bipolar:

juski: yep. got that too :)

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sECuRE_:

does mythtv record in maximum quality by default?

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sECuRE_:

doesn't look so good IMO

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gardengnome:

no, it doesn't.

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juski:

default res is 480x480 which might not look so hot to you

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gardengnome:

check your recording profiles...

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gardengnome:

i'm done for today :)

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gardengnome:

juski: good luck with minimyth.

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ubuntuEdgy:

hi guys im using this guide to setup thebackend for wakeup and shutdown but im stuck on this line "%mythtv ALL = NOPASSWD: /sbin/shutdown," https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Inst . . . ext/ACPIWake

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EnderTheThird:

Can someone help me out and tell me how to check if my HD-5500's are working with my digital cable at all before I try setting them up in MythTV?

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serfrs:

Have a quick question for all of ya... If I got 2 myth systems (1 with a DVB-S card, and the other with the remaining cards) how do I go about setting that up?

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ubuntuEdgy:

dose any one know what this is about ? /var/lib/mythtv//nfslockfile.lock: Permission denied

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ubuntuEdgy:

?

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juski:

gardengnome: cheers. building it now

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EnderTheThird:

serfrs: I'm a bit new to this, but I don't think that will be a quick answer, heh

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serfrs:

I know how to setup a MASTER backend, and have video streamed across the network, but how would I go about it with essentially 2 backends?

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EnderTheThird:

ubuntuEdgy: you probably don't have permissions for that file/folder

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ubuntuEdgy:

its easy, one must be "slave"

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serfrs:

yes, use the sudo command

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serfrs:

ok...

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serfrs:

I kinda see where you are going with that..

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serfrs:

so setup the small bedroo box as the slave, and use the laregr living room box as the master

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serfrs:

*bedroom

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ubuntuEdgy:

EnderTheThird:i really need some help right now, could this have some thing to do with me losing permission , first i done "sudo visudo" and paste this %mythtv ALL = NOPASSWD: /sbin/shutdown, /usr/bin/MythWakeSet,

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ubuntuEdgy:

im trying to get mybackend to shut and wake up for recordings ?

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riddlebox:

can someone tell me in the newest version of mythtv and ubuntu, mythfrontend doesnt open in total fullscreen anymore how do I make it do that?

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EnderTheThird:

ubuntuEdgy: i'd love to help you man, but i really don't know enough to help yet. I'm still trying to get my HD 5500's to work.

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok

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EnderTheThird:

riddlebox: Is it opening in a window? In settings after opening frontend, there's an option under Appearance to have it open in a window

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EnderTheThird:

You probably have that checked.

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juski:

mmm slave in the bedroom – what a good idea!

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riddlebox:

EnderTheThird, I didnt check it, I just see the menu bars on top and bottom of gnome

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serfrs:

I onlywish my wife worked that way juski :)

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serfrs:

I could only imagine what she would say if i asked her

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EnderTheThird:

riddlebox: Are you running Compiz or Beryl? My gnome-panel was showing when I ran frontend with Beryl

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ubuntuEdgy:

lol women rule you guys

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riddlebox:

ahh I believe compiz is running

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serfrs:

on ubuntu I would just use openbox

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EnderTheThird:

riddlebox: Not sure about how to fix that, but I know Beryl/Compiz is the reason. I'm still working on getting my tuners running, so I'll battle with Beryl another day, heh.

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riddlebox:

yup I disabled it and now its fullscreen again

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riddlebox:

its not that important to me, its just my tv server

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EnderTheThird:

I suppose you could add a "metacity --replace" command to your shortcut that runs before it launches frontend

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riddlebox:

thanks now that my system is up I can go meet my girlfriend

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ubuntuEdgy:

can any one pleape please help with setting up the backend wakeup alarms

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ubuntuEdgy:

please ,

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ubuntuEdgy:

this guide has confused me https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Inst . . . ext/ACPIWake ??

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EnderTheThird:

If anyone could help me setup my HD-5500's in Edgy, I'd appreciate it. I'm having some trouble here.

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ubuntuEdgy:

whats the problem ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

it says "It should immediately start warning you of impending shutdown"

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ubuntuEdgy:

i have no shutdown

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ubuntuEdgy:

you want to setup a card ?

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EnderTheThird:

I think it's just you and me, ubuntuEdgy

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EnderTheThird:

185 other people in here, but all of them are silent.

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ubuntuEdgy:

yeh its bed time now

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EnderTheThird:

Damn, I've spent all day trying to get these cards running.

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ubuntuEdgy:

no amount of begging with get them out of bed ,with there wife's .

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ubuntuEdgy:

you cant see tv ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

can you scan ?

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EnderTheThird:

It's cable, not antenna

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EnderTheThird:

2 pchdtv HD-5500's

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ubuntuEdgy:

you still need to scan rifht ?

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EnderTheThird:

no, not sure how to set them up in mythtv-setup

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok do this ,

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EnderTheThird:

neither DVB or putting them in as pcHDTV cards with v4l seems to be working

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EnderTheThird:

k

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ubuntuEdgy:

open mythtv-setup

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EnderTheThird:

done

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ubuntuEdgy:

now ,you need to choose the correct card type ,

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ubuntuEdgy:

its HD right ?

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EnderTheThird:

yeah

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ubuntuEdgy:

what name did you get when you choose pcHDTV

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ubuntuEdgy:

it should tell you the correct name of your card with out any errors

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EnderTheThird:

/dev/video0 UNKNOWN/GENERIC [cx8800]

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ubuntuEdgy:

for me i choose dvb-t and it tells me my card is a "zarlink cx blah blah

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EnderTheThird:

but Default Input only gives me the options of Composite1–4

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ubuntuEdgy:

there is no default

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ubuntuEdgy:

yes

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ubuntuEdgy:

keep switching and make shure it provides you with the correct card name

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EnderTheThird:

pcHDTV actually appears to identify my card, but only gives Composite inputs

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ubuntuEdgy:

you should have an option to select video

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ubuntuEdgy:

have you tryed them all ?

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EnderTheThird:

but with Composite or DVBInput, I still get "Could not open '0' to probe its inputs." in Input Connections

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ubuntuEdgy:

tyed them all ?

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EnderTheThird:

i'm going to try remaking/make installing the v4l drivers from pchdtv's site

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R0bert:

anyone know if i can use my xbox 360 remote for my mythtv

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ubuntuEdgy:

dont worry about that

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EnderTheThird:

or not, heh

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ubuntuEdgy:

one way to make shure you card works is to use "kaffien player"

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EnderTheThird:

downloading that

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ubuntuEdgy:

great

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EnderTheThird:

hardware appears to be detected via dmesg

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EnderTheThird:

dmesg | grep 5500

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EnderTheThird:

[17179587.400000] CORE cx88[0]: subsystem: 7063:5500, board: UNKNOWN/GENERIC [card=0,autodetected]

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EnderTheThird:

[17179588.092000] CORE cx88[1]: subsystem: 7063:5500, board: UNKNOWN/GENERIC [card=0,autodetected]

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EnderTheThird:

dmesg | grep dvb

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EnderTheThird:

[17179588.180000] cx2388x dvb driver version 0.0.5 loaded

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ubuntuEdgy:

dont worry, kaffeine is you Alia

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EnderTheThird:

still downloading. Repos are going crazy slow @ 100 KB/s

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EnderTheThird:

when i'm lucky

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EnderTheThird:

got it

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EnderTheThird:

how do i get to cable on here?

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EnderTheThird:

i enabled the DVB client

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ubuntuEdgy:

no dont worry about that

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EnderTheThird:

alright. what should i do now?

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ubuntuEdgy:

look at the top on settings you should see dvb

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ubuntuEdgy:

configure it

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EnderTheThird:

in the Kaffeine Player Settings there's some options for DVB, but nowhere else

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ubuntuEdgy:

ooki forgot to ask

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EnderTheThird:

?

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ubuntuEdgy:

so are you doing a backend ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

al on same machine ?

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EnderTheThird:

on same machine, yeah

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EnderTheThird:

backend isn't running right now though

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ubuntuEdgy:

same machine

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ubuntuEdgy:

?

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ubuntuEdgy:

fontend backend on same pc ?

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EnderTheThird:

yeah, same machine

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EnderTheThird:

yeah

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok

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ubuntuEdgy:

all you need to do is configure your card

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ubuntuEdgy:

look on kaffien for dvb configure ,its some where on the top panel

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EnderTheThird:

yeah

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EnderTheThird:

which version of kaffeine are you running?

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EnderTheThird:

i'm on 0.8.3 and i'm not seeing anything for DVB other than the DVB Client setup in Kaffeine Player Settings

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PointyPumper:

is there any way of cleaning up the tv listing?

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PointyPumper:

without doing a delete *

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PointyPumper:

?

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ubuntuEdgy:

is you card on the pc you are runnicg

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ubuntuEdgy:

running kaffien*

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EnderTheThird:

yeah, i have one PC with 2 pcHDTV HD-5500's. That PC will be my frontend and backend when/if i get MythTV running

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EnderTheThird:

i think it's not loading the hardware correctly and that's why MythTV isn't recognizing anything. when i try to run the backend, I get: Channel(0)::Open(): Can't open video device, error "No such file or directory"

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EnderTheThird:

http://pastebin.ca/419094

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EnderTheThird:

look at that pastebin, please. it's not quite recognizing my card correctly

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok lets try some thing else see here http://lunapark6.com/?p=2992

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ubuntuEdgy:

it dose drivers the hole lot

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EnderTheThird:

i'm there

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ubuntuEdgy:

great

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ubuntuEdgy:

scoll to the end

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ubuntuEdgy:

you will see how to setit up on mythtv

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EnderTheThird:

not quite

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EnderTheThird:

my DVB card option doesn't detect the card in MythTV

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EnderTheThird:

which sounds right after the dmesg output i received, look at the pastebin link above

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ubuntuEdgy:

did you select the same card type as the guide suggest

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EnderTheThird:

yeah

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EnderTheThird:

MythTV isn't detecting the card because my computer isn't detecting the card correctly. it knows there IS a card, it just can't identify it as the 5500

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ubuntuEdgy:

well now would be a good time to install the drivers fome that web site

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EnderTheThird:

let me try restarting. maybe kernel isn't loading those drivers (i just reinstalled them)

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EnderTheThird:

the kernel is using the drivers after the restart. i could have sworn i rebooted last time after i installed them though

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EnderTheThird:

MythTV is detecting cards just fine. now i just need to set them up for channels

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ubuntuEdgy:

ah great news

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ubuntuEdgy:

i wonder if any one can help sort this wake on alarm stuff

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ubuntuEdgy:

can any one help i keep getting this now eno: Device or resource busy (16)

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EnderTheThird:

Anyone have any ideas why my Zap2it won't populate correctly?

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EnderTheThird:

i run mythfilldatabase, and it downloads everything, but MythTV doesn't seem to update the channels

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clever[rev]:

2007-03–31 21:15:46.780 TFW, Error: safe_write(): File I/O errcnt: 2

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clever[rev]:

eno: No space left on device (28)

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clever[rev]:

2007-03–31 21:15:46.780 TFW: safe_write(): funky usleep

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clever[rev]:

2007-03–31 21:15:46.788 TFW, Error: safe_write(): File I/O errcnt: 3

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clever[rev]:

eno: No space left on device (28)

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clever[rev]:

2007-03–31 21:15:2007-03–31 21:15:49.115 Event socket closed. No connection to the backend.

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clever[rev]:

Terminated

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clever[rev]:

and that was with 2 files able to auto expire(one of which it was recording to)

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clever[rev]:

but it should have been able to delete atleast one and keep going

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EnderTheThird:

I have channel listings now, but channels won't display when tuned

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EnderTheThird:

not sure if it's a display output problem or if they're getting a signal

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insertBillHere:

Does anybody know why MythTV would do this:? "AO: Using resampler. From: 32000 to 32072"

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ubuntuEdgy:

can any one help with irexec i want to turn of my computer with a remote button

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ubuntuEdgy:

can any ne help me out here ~$ irexec

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ubuntuEdgy:

halt: Need to be root

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adante:

ubuntuEdgy: looks like irexec is sending the command, but you don't have permissions to shutdown

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Ediehow:

sometimes my recordings have skips, but i am using hardware encoding, pvr150mce

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Ediehow:

what do i do?

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Ediehow:

how do you mean?

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Ediehow:

mce one does not come with it

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t0ny-p40:

:( I just ordered one.

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t0ny-p40:

Oh well

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Ediehow:

just get one separate

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Ediehow:

a usb one

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Dagmar:

Non-authoritative answer:

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Dagmar:

Name: someninja.dnsalias.net

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Dagmar:

Address: 68.53.159.99

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Dagmar:

!@#!# wrong channel

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banyan:

Can somebody do me a quick favour and go to http://www.squinch.org/mythtv/ to see if you get my machine status?

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Smirnov:

yep

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banyan:

you did?

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banyan:

The way my proxy works etc, I never know whether the stuff that works on the server will work outside.

[05:37:01]

banyan:

and my firewal doesn't pass port 6544.

[05:39:17]

banyan:

and that's why I was asking for somebody outside to check on my proxy pass.

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Dagmar:

You really need to work on your network if these things are unknowns to you.

[06:02:51]

banyan:

Well, they're known, but I know things will work differently outside the network versus inside.

[06:03:18]

banyan:

so, http://www.squinch.org/mythtv/ does in fact bring up my mytytv status?

[06:03:29]

t0ny-p40:

is 0.21 worth switching to yet?

[06:03:35]

t0ny-p40:

Is it stable at all?

[06:06:13]

Dagmar:

It's not released yet.

[06:06:17]

Dagmar:

That should be a big hint.

[06:06:42]

Dagmar:

banyan: So is the problem that you don't know whether you're inside your network or outside it?

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banyan:

I wanted to verify that it works the same outside as in.

[06:10:48]

banyan:

as far as my computer is concerned, I am on www.squinch.org, but as far as my firewall is concerned, it is www.squinch.org.

[06:11:23]

banyan:

so in theory all should be well, but the proof is in the pudding.

[06:38:52]

t0ny-p40:

Dagmar, it is in gentoo's portage

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t0ny-p40:

another thing this website http://www.dvrplayground.com/article/14261/My . . . DVRs/?page=3 says "MythTV on the other hand allows you to continually watch TV while navigating the menus." How do you do that?

[06:41:05]

EnderTheThird:

Anyone in here have some experience with the pcHDTV 5500?

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Dagmar:

banyan: Okay, that's an ambiguity you should probably eliminate from your network setup, man.

[06:48:13]

Dagmar:

t0ny-p40: Write them and ask them

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Dagmar:

t0ny-p40: It might require huffing something from a can, tho'.

[06:51:46]

Dagmar:

It would not be the first time someone's written an article referencing features that do not exist in MythTV. :/

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banyan:

It's just a partial disagreement between the external DNS and internal.

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Dagmar:

Do you know about bind views yet?

[06:53:37]

banyan:

Since a lot of the services off the firewall are proxied to this machine it's only a partial disagreement. I have been caught in the past with things that work internally but not externally though.

[06:53:51]

Dagmar:

You can solve that problem with them

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Dagmar:

It allows you to tell the named to basically give an answer from an entirely different zone file based on the source address of the query

[06:56:09]

banyan:

hmm, sounds somewhat complex.

[06:58:45]

Dagmar:

It's actually easier than it sounds.

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Dagmar:

If you have been using ACLs with bind, it takes about five minutes to figure out

[06:59:43]

Dagmar:

What mosst people use it for is to report bogus chaos records

[07:00:35]

Dagmar:

...so that *they* can query their nameserver and find out the version of the code it was built from, but a strange host will just get something like "BIND v6.6.6." or something

[07:01:59]

banyan:

right... so somebody who comes in from externally gets a different page / different info than a lan user.

[07:03:15]

banyan:

mine's just a site for my own convenience.

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EnderTheThird:

I could REALLY use some help getting my HD-5500's to work if someone can. They appear to be setup correctly, but they're not getting a signal and showing channels

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achew22:

does anyone know if a hacked apple TV running os X would be able to run myth?

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Dagmar:

Buy one and find out

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achew22:

Dagmar, I don't want to buy one if it wont do it

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achew22:

1ghz with 256 mb ram?

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cesman:

hello hello

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Dagmar:

You get to either shell out the money without any assurance you're not wasting it for being an extra early adopter, or you get to wait

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hads:

5C

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EnderTheThird:

I'm finally getting video with my HD5500's. But no audio, I think because it's trying to use the audio on my HD5500 instead of my sound card. Anyone know how to fix this?

[08:15:12]

EnderTheThird:

No one's active in here huh?

[08:20:35]

j3ll0:

Dagmar's Theo de Raadt impersonation scares everyone off...

[08:23:29]

EnderTheThird:

Everyone who can help me with my sound, heh.

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Dagmar:

j3ll0: What? Did I say "you're a fucking moron who wouldn't be able to do it with ten years time and fifty more IQ points?"

[08:27:17]

Dagmar:

I'm of the impression that it's doable, but that it's also a waste of money.

[08:27:27]

Dagmar:

...and no one has bothered doing it yet, probably at least in part because of that.

[08:29:21]

Dagmar:

But either way, what I said about things at this point in time is entirely true... It's not been done yet, so either people get to wait until the brave and skilled try it, or they get to spend their money with no promises that what they want to do will work.

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Dagmar:

Theo has NEVER been that nice

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EnderTheThird:

Anyone have any ideas why tvtime would have no problems detecting my cable channels but MythTV tells me to piss off?

[08:32:08]

Dagmar:

This is for what, normal cable?

[08:32:26]

EnderTheThird:

Should be digital, though it's not liking the digital channels.

[08:32:31]

EnderTheThird:

Analog ones are tuning though

[08:32:35]

EnderTheThird:

Myth doesn't get a lock on them

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kormoc:

you're not gonna get ditial channels, they're encrypted

[08:32:53]

Dagmar:

Myth doesn't scan for channels with standard cable.

[08:32:55]

Dagmar:

There's no point.

[08:33:13]

Dagmar:

It's *vastly* easier to have it just get the list of available channels from your zap2it profile

[08:33:21]

EnderTheThird:

Fair enough. Not getting any sound from either though

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Dagmar:

That would be a separate, likely driver-related issue

[08:33:44]

juski:

morning

[08:33:52]

kormoc:

mornin

[08:33:59]

kormoc:

and 'night

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah, I figured separate, heh..

[08:34:03]

EnderTheThird:

Morning

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EnderTheThird:

Most of the things I've seen while Googling point to blacklisting the HD-5500 audio and/or piping it through to my real soundcard (an Audigy 2)

[08:35:49]

EnderTheThird:

Anyone have any ideas how to get the sound up?

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kormoc:

routing via the sound card is required with that card

[08:36:07]

juski:

if I were you I'd really not bother with the analogue side of that card

[08:36:19]

juski:

you've got HD!

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kormoc:

juski, heh, it's the only part that will work, he has digital (encrypted) cable

[08:36:37]

EnderTheThird:

I'll worry about sound with HD before i care about analog

[08:36:40]

juski:

ouch

[08:36:56]

EnderTheThird:

network channels are broadcasted unencrypted, and i'm receiving them

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EnderTheThird:

i'm just not getting sound

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juski:

the HD's audio is embedded in the stream

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kormoc:

"One stereo connection jack to sound card for analog TV"

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kormoc:

erm

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kormoc:

have you attempted to unmute the sound card or similar?

[08:37:47]

juski:

seeing some output from mythfrontend during this 'no audio' phase would be very illuminating, I expect ;)

[08:37:50]

EnderTheThird:

I need a manual cable from the 5500 to sound card?

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kormoc:

for non-digital channels, yes

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juski:

EnderTheThird: the audio in HDTV is embedded in the stream, so if you're not getting audio on the few HD channels you get, then there's a software problem

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kormoc:

EnderTheThird, by network tv, you mean channels say 2 to 100 or so?

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juski:

the audio output is only for the SDTV analogue part of the card

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kormoc:

standard network tv?

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EnderTheThird:

no, as in the big networks (Fox, CBS, etc.)

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nero:

does anyone here view SD on a 720p or 1080p HD set via MythTV?

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kormoc:

are you sure they are digital?

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EnderTheThird:

I won't bother with analog right now, i just want audio from the HD channels they're broadcasting

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juski:

maybe you're missing an mp3 codec

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EnderTheThird:

With the error opening the audio *device*?

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juski:

oh wait

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nero:

I am about to make the plunge for a 37–42" HD TV, more for a "room" issue than content (I dont have access to any HD content at the moment), so I would mostly be viewing DVDs/SD (DirecTV)

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juski:

haha.. might be something simple like a sound daemon hogging the device that one

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nero:

and am wondering- is this going to bite??

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah, I have a good idea of what's happening, just no idea how to actually fix it, heh

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juski:

nero: depends on the set

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juski:

some sets are better than others at showing the inadequacies of SDTV scaled up

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EnderTheThird:

the HD channels definitely look pretty though

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nero:

juski, humm.. I was under the impression that scaling on the source side (since I wont be sending a SD signal) would be most important here?

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juski:

EnderTheThird: which distro are you running?

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EnderTheThird:

Ubuntu Edgy (6.10)

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nero:

ie- I would set the mythtv box to whatever my native resolution of the TV I get is, and let MythTV do the scaling..

[08:42:28]

juski:

nero: yeah but some TVs will look better than others – YMMV

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nero:

gotcha..

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juski:

EnderTheThird: did you change the audio output device from the default?

[08:43:15]

juski:

EnderTheThird: and does audio work in linux generally?

[08:43:40]

EnderTheThird:

juski: Edgy defaults to cx device (my 5500's, i'd assume) for output, so I did have to change output to my Audigy, which is working. But I don't think MythTV is using that

[08:43:55]

EnderTheThird:

juski: audio's working fine, but my Audigy wasn't the default.

[08:44:07]

juski:

hmmm

[08:45:08]

EnderTheThird:

juski: Conexant CX8801 is listed as default (twice, I have 2 5500's)

[08:45:12]

juski:

nero: 1080p isn't gonna be broadcast for a while, and scaling everything to 1080p is gonna take a tad more grunt – and it'll require more ram than running at 720p because mythtv scales all the theme graphics & holds them in RAM uncompressed ;)

[08:46:13]

EnderTheThird:

juski: how would I go about doing that?

[08:46:14]

juski:

ubunut was always swapping my two soundcards around – very annoying

[08:47:26]

juski:

change that and only that

[08:47:59]

EnderTheThird:

juski: alright. happen to remember which menu that's hidden in? i've been through them so many damned times today i can't remember where i saw that one, heh

[08:48:06]

nero:

juski- my mythbox has 1 gig of RAM.. would that be sufficient?

[08:48:26]

juski:

nero: depends which theme you want to use ;)

[08:48:26]

EnderTheThird:

juski: nvm, found it

[08:48:39]

juski:

EnderTheThird: utils/setup > setup > general

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nero:

The 2 1080p sets I am looking at are the Westinghouse 37" and the Aquos 37", both of which are widely used as computer monitors..

[08:48:46]

juski:

bout the 3rd page in :)

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nero:

so 1080p should work OK in Myth..

[08:49:02]

nero:

gotcha juski.

[08:49:08]

nero:

(about the themes)

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EnderTheThird:

juski = my hero.

[08:49:32]

juski:

blootube-wide is the biggest memory hog of all the themes out there

[08:49:43]

juski:

EnderTheThird: heheh no problem :)

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nero:

and I'd guess that 720p would probably look better for SD viewing, as there would be less scaling going on..

[08:50:02]

EnderTheThird:

Now as for whether or not keeping the analog channels is even worth it or if i should just get an OTA antenna

[08:50:03]

nero:

though that probably depends on the set as well.

[08:50:10]

EnderTheThird:

What do you do for your HD?

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juski:

EnderTheThird: what you need to be watching out for is ubunut swapping devices from time to time – you can fix that with udev rules so your soundcards always appear on the same device nodes

[08:50:50]

juski:

HD? I dont have HD. We don't get accessible HDTV in the UK yet

[08:51:10]

juski:

yeah I know – we _invented_ television & we're not even leading the world in HD :(

[08:51:11]

EnderTheThird:

juski: yeah, I think I've caught the little bastard switching my sound card default every now and then

[08:51:23]

EnderTheThird:

I'd die without my HD, heh

[08:51:55]

** nero would have HD if not for the 3 big trees in his front yard that just block the DirecTV HD sats.. :( **

[08:52:10]

nero:

(and seeing as I am renting.. I cant exactly cut them down ;) )

[08:52:12]

juski:

we can pay for locked-down HD with a provider's own DVR, but thats just not cricket ;)

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah, I have a DVR box here, but that's $15/mo

[08:54:09]

EnderTheThird:

I really don't even watch cable anymore, except for BSG on Sci-Fi and Daily Show and Colbert on Comedy Central

[08:54:33]

EnderTheThird:

But the Lord is kinda and gave us Bit Torrent. So if they want to encrypt basic digital cable, they can go to hell

[08:54:36]

EnderTheThird:

*kind

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EnderTheThird:

Now I just need to comb through here and see what channels I actually get. I thought I'd still get standard digital cable channels (surprise surprise)

[08:58:36]

EnderTheThird:

just not paid ones, oops

[08:59:12]

Dagmar:

It varies from provider to provider and market to market

[09:00:18]

EnderTheThird:

Yeah. I'll have to call my provider and hope I get someone who knows what the hell they're talking about.

[09:02:58]

EnderTheThird:

Quiet again

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juski:

I wouldn't be surprised if the encryption comes & goes from time to time.. cable companies are weird like that

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EnderTheThird:

You wonder how much business they lose by encrypting it because of people in a situation like mine..... probably not much

[09:03:47]

juski:

over here we don't even get scifi in widescreen ffs.. Heroes in 4:3... ugh

[09:04:39]

EnderTheThird:

Sci-Fi will give letterbox ws here, but it's not true HD widescreen or anything. Heroes is broadcast on NBC in HD initially though, which is freaking incredible

[09:04:49]

juski:

it's not so much the fact they encripple stuff – it's more the fact they don't provide a means other than their own hardware to decripple it ;)

[09:05:00]

EnderTheThird:

Yeah, very true

[09:05:35]

juski:

in Germany I think you can still take cable from anybody & then get your own STB

[09:05:48]

EnderTheThird:

I'd have no problem BUYING hardware if they want to encrypt it. but i'm not going to pay $15/mo for the rest of my life just so I can have 80GB of shitty storage and ads on their DVRs

[09:05:57]

juski:

and you can quite readily buy CAMs to do the decrippling

[09:07:07]

EnderTheThird:

CableCARD isn't any better if you still have to pay to get it from them

[09:07:21]

juski:

I'd say the content providers prolly have a say in it too – maybe they get cheaper carriage with those kinds of conditions

[09:07:33]

EnderTheThird:

Precisely why I think Tivo is absolutely horrible. You're shelling out a shit-ton of $$ for the hardware and you still pay Tivo $15/mo

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah, I know what you mean. I hate it when something screws up the schedules and the guide doesn't update, so I end up with an hour of some bullshit program recorded that i didn't want, heh

[09:10:13]

juski:

the merket leader is Sky Plus which is a nifty thing – pretty reliable FWIW, but sadly limited by stupid things – like say the weather's really bad & the signal goes to pot – you think "ahh I'll watch some recordings". Nope, not if your signal is gone you can't

[09:11:01]

juski:

they do have one cool feature I can't wait for mythtv to get though

[09:11:21]

EnderTheThird:

what's that?

[09:11:23]

juski:

they transmit flags in trailers for shows, so you need only press one button to set a recording up

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juski:

snag with it is it doesn't record the flag so if you watch a recorded show with such a trailer the one button record thing doesn't work

[09:12:01]

EnderTheThird:

that is pretty cool

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juski:

we're getting it in the UK, and mythtv is gonna be doing it all :) so see a trail for a show when you watch a recording, press a button & bingo :)

[09:12:59]

juski:

hahaha

[09:13:08]

juski:

welcome to the world of the mythtv user my friend :)

[09:13:22]

EnderTheThird:

you mean Linux in general

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EnderTheThird:

;)

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juski:

not saying it's gonna be a regular thing for you by any means, but I've spent many a morning seeing the sun come up

[09:13:42]

EnderTheThird:

yeah

[09:13:45]

juski:

yeah – linux

[09:13:49]

EnderTheThird:

i spent all day on this damn thing

[09:14:09]

juski:

well -you sorted the audio out eventually, with a gentle nudge

[09:14:21]

EnderTheThird:

yeah

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juski:

multiple soundcards can be 'fun' in windows let alone linux

[09:14:44]

Dagmar:

Most of the time things go faster if you do more reading

[09:14:47]

Dagmar:

No joke

[09:14:54]

Dagmar:

Except maybe this *particular* issue

[09:14:57]

EnderTheThird:

i spent yesterday and most of this morning with video crashing upon starting X because my BIOS was hosed with the tuner cards in

[09:15:04]

Dagmar:

The ALSA docs for multiple sound cards kinda sucks

[09:15:19]

juski:

the alsa docs for sound cards kinda sucks

[09:15:22]

Dagmar:

EnderTheThird: VIA chipset board?

[09:15:33]

EnderTheThird:

some documentation i readily understand. but sometimes it gets a little crazy and i'm afraid i won't be able to undo things if i hose my system

[09:15:51]

EnderTheThird:

875P chipset..... 2.8Ghz P4

[09:15:59]

juski:

EnderTheThird: well, above all else make sure you back up your (working) config files & your database

[09:16:03]

Dagmar:

EnderTheThird: Respect your package manager and use RCS for backing up local changes and you shouldn't have a problem

[09:16:17]

juski:

back up your database as often as you feel necessary – I run a script every night

[09:16:36]

EnderTheThird:

I'll be sure to figure out how the hell to do that after I get this thing hooked up and running with my TV

[09:16:45]

juski:

oh and don't let anything auto-update unless you absolutely *have* to

[09:16:47]

Dagmar:

That part will be easy

[09:17:00]

EnderTheThird:

that'll be another 1.5 weeks. Setting up MythTV gave me an excuse to get a new computer so I can set this up in my living room, heh

[09:17:13]

Dagmar:

Sweet

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EnderTheThird:

oh Core 2 Duo, how I look forward to abusing your power

[09:17:27]

Dagmar:

I'm still adding stickers to mine

[09:18:06]

EnderTheThird:

QAM-256 doesn't do anything with encrypted cable?

[09:18:17]

EnderTheThird:

or any of the QAM capabilities of the 5500 for that matter?

[09:18:26]

Dagmar:

Any crazy lawyers trying to take the thing will have to bring in three different kinds of hazmat specialists if they follow the procedures with respect to those stickers

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EnderTheThird:

haha

[09:20:18]

EnderTheThird:

Is there a way to get Myth to scan a larger channel/freq range (say 1–1000)?

[09:20:25]

Dagmar:

I've got the stickers for deadly toxins, radioactive substances, as well as viral

[09:21:04]

EnderTheThird:

and don't forget porn. No kids allowed to see that Hot Coffee mod

[09:21:06]

Dagmar:

I'd kinda like to wander around the med center and find out what other categories there are, but that might upset people

[09:24:28]

Dagmar:

"Yes, pardon me, I was wondering if you knew what stickers would indicate something really lethal that you might have around here?"

[09:24:40]

Dagmar:

o.O

[09:25:08]

EnderTheThird:

Nice

[09:25:08]

Dagmar:

It would probably take less than ten minutes for the campus police to have me in cuffs

[09:25:16]

EnderTheThird:

Any idea about my ? though real quick?

[09:25:35]

Dagmar:

You can't do anything with encrypted cable without a CAM

[09:25:48]

EnderTheThird:

Weird thing is that most people seem to be saying that the 5500 works with digital cable and will get their non-premium channels

[09:25:59]

Dagmar:

In many markets it will

[09:26:37]

EnderTheThird:

K. Do you know how to specify a different range when doing a QAM scan?

[09:26:47]

Dagmar:

You're just not likely to get the premium channelswith it because they're encrypted

[09:26:49]

Dagmar:

No idea at all

[09:26:59]

Dagmar:

The documentation for the scanner SHOULD sya

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah, I figured I wouldn't get any of the paid ones (HBO and the like), but i don't care about those

[09:27:19]

EnderTheThird:

yeah, I'm googling the hell out of it, heh

[09:27:34]

EnderTheThird:

Right now I just have it scanning using "Cable High" with QAM-256

[09:28:08]

EnderTheThird:

But it's not getting my digital channels like i thought it would :-/

[09:28:28]

EnderTheThird:

Guess I'll just need to call Insight and see which channels they'll let me play with

[09:30:26]

Dagmar:

Good luck

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EnderTheThird:

Thanks

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EnderTheThird:

I'm out. Gotta sleep before the sun comes up and it gets too bright in here

[09:33:44]

EnderTheThird:

Thanks for all the help.

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stuarta:

morning all

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mike3_:

stuarta, hello

[10:16:38]

mike3_:

anyone having trouble with xbmcmythtv?

[10:16:40]

juski:

morning stuarta

[10:16:53]

juski:

mike3_: not me – I don't use it anymore

[10:16:57]

mike3_:

Ifailed to connect to MySQL database.

[10:16:57]

mike3_:

conn"

[10:17:02]

mike3_:

i'm getting this error...

[10:17:16]

mike3_:

I tried setting my user to use OLD_PASSWORD with no luck

[10:17:30]

juski:

mike3_: you need to set mysql to be able to be accessed from other machines

[10:17:40]

mike3_:

juski, I can

[10:17:44]

mike3_:

I've tested that out

[10:17:47]

juski:

ah

[10:18:02]

juski:

dunno what might be causing that then

[10:18:21]

juski:

unless the xbox is on a different subnet, or its ip is blocked from the linux box somehow

[10:19:32]

juski:

anyway – phew! busy day for me so far. fixed some panels on the shed & got a fresh coat of preservative on it

[10:19:45]

juski:

aaaand minimyth is still building

[10:19:46]

mike3_:

no it's not

[10:20:19]

juski:

mike3_: I think it writes a log file somewhere, or you can enable logging

[10:20:49]

visit0r_:

btw someone tried the mmyth?

[10:20:53]

juski:

I can't remember the last time I updated XBMC to be honest. might give the script a go

[10:20:54]

visit0r_:

which features it supports?

[10:20:58]

juski:

nmyth?

[10:21:22]

visit0r_:

http://gmyth.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FAQ

[10:21:48]

juski:

I think it's still vaporware – or a lot of it is

[10:22:04]

mike3_:

juski, Yes I'm turning that on now to try that

[10:22:09]

visit0r_:

ok

[10:22:32]

Dagmar:

Ahh....

[10:22:34]

Dagmar:

Nifty

[10:22:42]

Dagmar:

If I can get that to work I'll make a dropline-extra package of it

[10:22:45]

Dagmar:

IF it works.

[10:23:27]

juski:

anybody seen the windows frontend yet? it rocks!

[10:24:16]

stuarta:

dammit, just screwed my oldrecorded table :(

[10:24:31]

** Dagmar makes a note to forward all Windows support requests to juski **

[10:24:47]

Dagmar:

...including telling them how to leave notes on noteserv for juski.

[10:25:37]

juski:

lamest attempt at an April Fool ever!

[10:26:19]

mike3_:

wird it's working

[10:26:22]

Dagmar:

Google has theirs up

[10:26:22]

Dagmar:

http://www.google.com/tisp/

[10:26:25]

mike3_:

maybe I needed to reboot my xbox earlier

[10:26:33]

mike3_:

guess OLD_PASSWORD worked

[10:26:38]

juski:

mike3_: what? worky now? :)

[10:26:59]

mike3_:

yah I changed stuff earlier today

[10:26:59]

juski:

I'm downloading a new xbmc to give it a whirl

[10:27:03]

mike3_:

just never rebooted my xbox

[10:27:23]

juski:

ah bum I need to make a samba share of my recordings dir :(

[10:27:55]

stuarta:

i have to unfrig my oldrecorded table :(

[10:27:57]

mike3_:

juski, samba share works good. I can watch my recording. LIVE TV isn't working though

[10:29:02]

juski:

livetv never worked for me anyway

[10:30:33]

mike3_:

i can't seem to get my program guide

[10:30:44]

juski:

stuarta: sounds like work, that. got a recent enough backup?

[10:30:44]

mike3_:

i get channels just no listings

[10:30:51]

Dagmar:

mike3_: Where are you?

[10:30:58]

stuarta:

2 days old.

[10:31:16]

juski:

mike3_: there might've been a protocol change or a schema change that's futzing it up

[10:31:29]

stuarta:

might just have to do some funky shit.

[10:31:49]

juski:

stuarta: shouldn't be too hard for a master of mysql-fu :)

[10:31:55]

mike3_:

Dagmar, what do you mean?

[10:32:20]

stuarta:

no, it's just a bitch.

[10:32:36]

Dagmar:

mike3_: Are you in the US or what?

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mike3_:

no canada

[10:33:21]

juski:

er.. wtf is all this about? "WIN32 PC ENVIRONMENT INSTRUCTIONS (WIN32 FOLDER)"

[10:33:28]

Dagmar:

mike3_: So you have a more or less standard cable provider?

[10:33:28]

juski:

xbmc runs on PCs now?!

[10:33:45]

mike3_:

yes

[10:33:58]

Dagmar:

mike3_: Okay, so you have a Zap2it subscription?

[10:34:14]

juski:

Dagmar: I think he only meant the EPG doesn't work in XBMC

[10:34:26]

Dagmar:

Oh, XBMC?

[10:34:32]

Dagmar:

That would be a question for #XBMC then

[10:34:42]

mike3_:

ya

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mike3_:

juski, exactly

[10:35:02]

mike3_:

I can't watch live tv from xbmc.

[10:35:07]

mike3_:

or get a chan list

[10:35:13]

juski:

holy cow on a stick!

[10:35:14]

mike3_:

doesn't come back with any errors

[10:35:28]

juski:

it might be just a skin preview prog but OMG!

[10:35:45]

Dagmar:

juski: huh?

[10:36:07]

stuarta:

ahah! restore backup to another DB and do cross database selects !!!

[10:36:22]

juski:

Dagmar: got what looks very much like XBMC running on my windows box right now

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mike3_:

juski, does live tv work?

[10:38:54]

juski:

mike3_: heh – it's just a skin preview program. not the real thing

[10:39:58]

mike3_:

let me know if you get livetv working

[10:40:20]

juski:

I doubt it'll work

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juski:

never worked before – and no big deal for that either

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mike3_:

juski, You use it for recordings I take it?

[10:41:11]

juski:

mike3_: it's a long time since I used it

[10:41:34]

juski:

but when I did use the big noisy UGLY xbox in my livingroom it was for watching recordings

[10:42:51]

juski:

hmm can't connect viw ftp

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mike3_:

juski, got'cha.. I'm using thix XBOX for the bedroom

[10:43:06]

juski:

jesus it's way too noisy for somewhere like that isnt it?

[10:43:58]

mike3_:

well i'm to cheap to build another computer. My damn computer in my living room running mythbackend and frontend is to loud!

[10:44:00]

mike3_:

=)

[10:48:50]

juski:

deleting the old xbmc dir now

[10:49:38]

mike3_:

juski, http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread . . . um_id=436331

[10:49:40]

mike3_:

just in case.

[10:50:09]

mike3_:

I'm going back to bed.. =) If you have luck with livetv private msg me...

[10:50:10]

mike3_:

cya

[10:55:13]

stuarta:

anyone know how to use "select .... for update" ?

[10:57:00]

stuarta:

got a nice table join happening to retrieve my programid from the backup database

[10:57:17]

stuarta:

now just trying to work out how to use that result set for an update

[10:58:06]

stuarta:

ahah!

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gbee:

SELECT ... FOR UPDATE; is really just for locking

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stuarta:

any suggestions on how to use my result set then?

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gbee:

http://weblogs.asp.net/plip/archive/2005/01/13/352013.aspx

[11:01:55]

gbee:

hmm might not apply that exact example

[11:02:03]

stuarta:

problem is, the destination table is the same as a table used for the select

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stuarta:

temp table?

[11:02:41]

anykey_:

stuarta: why not using a where clause to get those records you get from the select?

[11:03:25]

gbee:

temp table might work – subqueries, as you note aren't supported on the same table

[11:04:12]

stuarta:

hmmm, do i even need to join to the other db.....

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Glaciality:

Hey guys

[11:04:41]

gbee:

anykey_: might be that simple, depending on what he's trying to achieve

[11:05:29]

stuarta:

retrieving the programid's from the oldrecorded table of a 2 day old backup

[11:05:36]

stuarta:

and applying that to the current db.

[11:05:48]

stuarta:

i'm trying something noe...

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Glaciality:

I'm trying to compile and run MythTV using the archive on the Downloads section of the site, version 0.20. I've compiled it and installed it, but it's spewing out loads of MySQL errors and giving me an error about MythContext when I try to run mythtv-setup. Any ideas why? Thanks.

[11:06:55]

stuarta:

Glaciality: installed libqt3-mt-mysql ??

[11:06:57]

Dagmar:

Glaciality: Pastbin these errors.

[11:07:26]

Glaciality:

Okay.

[11:07:54]

juski:

well that's just a big pile of steaming poo – not much works in that xbmcmythtv

[11:08:41]

juski:

programme guide not worky, livetv not worky, recorded shows not worky

[11:08:58]

juski:

but hey who cares? I don't need to use it :)

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Glaciality:

Sorry

[11:09:38]

Glaciality:

Crashed there

[11:09:40]

Glaciality:

http://pastebin.ca/419467

[11:09:44]

juski:

as for the downloads from the main site – there really should be a warning about them

[11:09:48]

Glaciality:

Is as much of it as I can get.

[11:10:01]

Dagmar:

Glaciality: You need to install the package stuarta mentioned

[11:10:05]

Glaciality:

I couldn't find svn-client on yum.

[11:10:08]

juski:

grab -fixes from svn instead, ftw!

[11:10:13]

Dagmar:

"No error type from QSqlError? Strange..." <-- this is a dead giveaway

[11:10:22]

Glaciality:

Will that be available on yum?

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juski:

who knows...

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Dagmar:

Glaciality: It should be

[11:10:36]

Glaciality:

And please can you repeat it's name as my IRC client crashed

[11:10:44]

Dagmar:

libqt3-mt-mysql

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stuarta:

and yes it's available via yum

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stuarta:

that's one shit irc client

[11:11:18]

Glaciality:

Thanks

[11:11:23]

Glaciality:

Yeah, it's java :/

[11:11:28]

juski:

blech

[11:11:31]

Glaciality:

Know of any good console based ones?

[11:11:34]

Glaciality:

I could do with one.

[11:11:34]

juski:

I thought GAIM was bad

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stuarta:

irssi

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anykey_:

irssi? ;-)

[11:11:36]

juski:

irssi

[11:11:43]

Glaciality:

Easy to use?

[11:11:44]

stuarta:

we have a winner

[11:11:52]

Glaciality:

I'm an mIRC veteran myself. :)

[11:11:56]

juski:

slight learning curve

[11:11:59]

juski:

UGH!

[11:12:03]

juski:

mIRC is eeevil

[11:12:10]

Glaciality:

Well, it can't find that libqt3-mt-mysql package

[11:12:17]

stuarta:

try libqt3-mysql

[11:12:29]

stuarta:

(debian has the -mt in the name)

[11:12:36]

Glaciality:

Nope, nothing on that either.

[11:12:42]

Glaciality:

I'm on CentOS if that helps.

[11:12:46]

Dagmar:

Not really.

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juski:

search on 'mysql' then

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Dagmar:

Can you search for what package provides a particular file?

[11:13:12]

Glaciality:

Yeah, yum provides <packagename>

[11:13:34]

Glaciality:

Okay it's searching.

[11:13:42]

Dagmar:

You want the package that gives you libqsqlmysql.so

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adante:

viva

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Dagmar:

las bagels

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Glaciality:

One question while it does that, can you run MythWeb on a different port to Apache?

[11:14:07]

Dagmar:

huh?

[11:14:10]

Glaciality:

Or even in a directory alias.

[11:14:21]

Dagmar:

You can run mythweb anywhere you want, UNDER APACHE

[11:14:29]

Glaciality:

Ah!

[11:14:35]

juski:

also works with lighthttpd IIRC

[11:14:41]

Glaciality:

I thought it was a daemon run by MythTV itself.

[11:14:41]

Dagmar:

It's a CGI app, not a standalone daemon or something

[11:14:46]

anykey_:

it's called lighttpd juski ;-)

[11:14:56]

Dagmar:

No big deal. I know that confuses people sometimes.

[11:15:08]

juski:

you got the jist

[11:15:20]

juski:

pedant ;)

[11:15:30]

Dagmar:

A lightweight toilet paper daemon/

[11:15:39]

Dagmar:

Just the thing I need to monitor my TiSP connection

[11:15:43]

Glaciality:

qt-mysql seems to be the package I need

[11:16:05]

Glaciality:

Installed

[11:16:09]

Glaciality:

Gonna test again

[11:16:11]

juski:

you must've had the source for that though or it'd not have compiled mythtv surely..

[11:16:14]

stuarta:

okay how do i create a temp table with the same specs as an existing table. should be easy

[11:16:24]

Glaciality:

MythTV compiled fine :/

[11:16:28]

Dagmar:

It'll compile without the plugin so being around

[11:17:23]

juski:

hey so much for the Centos guys wanting a bit of mythtv magic at LinuxWorld expo last year – can't find a single howto on google for 'mythtv centos'

[11:17:47]

juski:

only questions in forum postings.. lame!

[11:18:10]

Dagmar:

They're all about the benjamins

[11:18:23]

Dagmar:

Otherwise you might actually be able to find the word "Linux" on their website

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juski:

heh

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stuarta:

ahah!

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juski:

lets see what last night's essential mix was like...

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gbee:

stuarta: CREATE TABLE x SELECT FROM y;

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juski:

ugh! this electo fad needs to stop. stop now I tell you. it's shit

[11:21:42]

stuarta:

also create temporary table blah like x;

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Dagmar:

juski: Get stuffed you luddite

[11:22:12]

gbee:

stuarta: that too

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Dagmar:

..unless you're talking about gabber.

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Dagmar:

That stuff is just trash

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stuarta:

!trout mysql

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** MythLogBot slaps mysql with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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gbee:

meh, this ism't working out too well – put up the parasol so I can see the screen but now I'm no longer sitting in the sun it actually feels cold out here

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juski:

well that whole 4 hours was poo. poo poo poo poo poo.

[11:23:52]

Glaciality:

Right, well. mythtv-setup now runs, but can't find my TV card.

[11:24:11]

Dagmar:

So what kinda card do you have?

[11:24:13]

Glaciality:

Can anyone suggest where I could find a howto on setting up a NovaT-MCE-500?

[11:24:38]

juski:

Glaciality: just test it, use the dvbutils for that

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Glaciality:

It's a dual tuner card, I'll be able to use both right?

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juski:

test outside of mythtv first

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Glaciality:

Okay back, I shouldn't crash anymore.

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juski:

hahaha yeah yeah

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Glaciality:

WIll dvbutils be on yum? And if so under what name?

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juski:

rm /media/dvbradio/*

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juski:

oops

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gbee:

Glaciality: it's pretty simple – just "modprobe dvb_usb_dib0700 force_lna_activation=1"

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Glaciality:

Oh okay

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gbee:

and yes you'll be able to use both, but not with active EIT scanning

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Glaciality:

What's that?

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Dagmar:

heh

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Glaciality:

Also, that command produced an error: modprobe dvb_usb_dib0700 force_lna_activation=1

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Glaciality:

Wait that's not right

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Glaciality:

FATAL: Module dvb_usb_dib0700 not found.

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Glaciality:

There

[11:27:52]

Glaciality:

So I need a firmware file for it?

[11:27:55]

Dagmar:

That would explain why it can't find the card then

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juski:

woo you need a kernel module

[11:28:03]

Dagmar:

No, you need to build the kernel module that drives it

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gbee:

Glaciality: you need a newer kernel

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juski:

there are a few ways to go about that – not necessarily involving a newer kernel

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Glaciality:

Linux shorebox 2.6.9–42.0.10.EL #1 Tue Feb 27 09:24:42 EST 2007 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux

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Dagmar:

Go into the Device Drivers, Multimedia Devices section of the kernel, and in the Video4Linux section, just enable everything you can as a module

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Glaciality:

Is that not new enough?

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gbee:

or rebuild your current kernel with it enabled

[11:28:43]

Dagmar:

No, he needs a newer kernel. heh

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juski:

2.6.9? oof!

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gbee:

err yeah, 2.6.9 is pretty old now

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Dagmar:

That kernel is full of nasties

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Glaciality:

Really?

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Dagmar:

YS RLY

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Glaciality:

Wow, I've been running this on loads of boxes

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gbee:

were upto 2.6.17 or something now

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Glaciality:

Time to upgrade them all after.

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juski:

pretty old?! 2.6.9 was new more than 2 years ago!

[11:29:15]

Dagmar:

2.6.20.4

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Glaciality:

Okay, download the new kernel?

[11:29:34]

juski:

I had to patch 2.6.9 to work with my nova-t clone

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Dagmar:

See if CentOS has an upgrade package first

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gbee:

Dagmar: heh, silly mistake that – I'm running 2.6.19 ;)

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Dagmar:

That's old enough that changing it might well require other changes as well

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gbee:

2.6.9 was released back in 2004

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Dagmar:

gbee: I was using 2.6.17.20 for ages, and this kernel looks solid enough to migrate to

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gbee:

Oct 19th to be precise :)

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Dagmar:

2.6.9 has serious USB and SATA problems.

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juski:

yeah I started messing with linux for real around then

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Dagmar:

...not to mention stale udev support

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Glaciality:

Hmm, I think I cocked something up

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Glaciality:

Existing lock /var/run/yum.pid: another copy is running. Aborting.

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Glaciality:

Yum isn't running, I just Ctrl-Z'd it by accident

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juski:

I didn't have any bother with that kernel other than needing to patch it

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gbee:

never noticed probs when I was using 2.6.9 but then I was running the packaged version which tends to have lots of fixes backported to it

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gbee:

bah, got to move inside

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Glaciality:

It's the default kernel with CentOS 4.

[11:32:25]

Dagmar:

Yes, which is sad.

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Glaciality:

Ah fixed yum.

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Glaciality:

Removed the lockfile.

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Dagmar:

2.6.9–2.6.12 were all pretty messed up in places

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Glaciality:

OKay, no newer kernel on yum

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Glaciality:

brb, gonna stop a compile of qt I thought I'd need.

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juski:

now's the time to question whether you still want to use centos

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Dagmar:

You should not be attempting to compile Qt

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juski:

do you have the balls to make your own kernel?

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Dagmar:

Man I wouldn't recommend any newbie make that kind of a kernel jump

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juski:

not saying it's hard, but it's easy to screw it up

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Dagmar:

2.6.17 to 2.6.20 had an absolute f*ckton of new objects in it

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Dagmar:

It takes an annoyingly long time to wade through make oldconfig

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Glaciality:

OKay back.

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anykey_:

probably because they changed sata support

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Glaciality:

So what do I do to get my card working?

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Dagmar:

I can only imagine how long it would take to work through all the options that have changed beteen 2.6.9 to 2.6.20

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juski:

oh fuck off Nero I do not need to restart

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juski:

Glaciality: you need to upgrade your kernel

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Dagmar:

Glaciality: Offhand I'd say Ubuntu

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stuarta:

not to mention that they changed some of the kernel interfaces >2.6.18

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Glaciality:

You mean switch distro? :O

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stuarta:

if you are used to centos, you may as well use fc6

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juski:

Glaciality: making such ahuge jump in kernel versions would not be for the noobish

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Dagmar:

Glaciality: Moving from a kernel as old as what you have to a newer one is not going to be a happy thing

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juski:

or the sane

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Glaciality:

Can I not just create a module for this version?

[11:35:50]

Glaciality:

I quite like CentOS.

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Dagmar:

No

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juski:

maybe, but probably not

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Dagmar:

I doubt that card is supported in that kernel

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Glaciality:

I've not got very fast internet, so Fedora Core 6 would take around 24 hours to download.

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juski:

there's a very slim chance you could download the linuxtv source from their mercurial repository (Hg) & compile it – but 2.6.9 is so old it's likely too much has changed for it to have any degree of success

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Dagmar:

Glaciality: Yep well that's good because it would probably take you a couple of days to fix CentOS

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Dagmar:

...and at least a download can run unattended.

[11:37:26]

Glaciality:

What about Ubuntu?

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Glaciality:

That's a smaller download no?

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anykey_:

~700 mb.

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juski:

Ubunut prolly doesn't have a new enough kernel for that card but at least you'd be able to sort it with the modules from the Hg repository & build em yourself

[11:38:09]

Glaciality:

Infact, I've got Ubuntu 6.10 here but it was a bad burn and I don't have the image any more.

[11:38:26]

Glaciality:

Fedora 6 is about 3.5Gb

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juski:

FISTY might support the card out of the box

[11:38:47]

Glaciality:

The disc just won't boot without crashing, but it reads fine in an OS.

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Glaciality:

I think I remember hearing it did actually.

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pat_:

just order a free ubuntu cd over the web, and do this all next weekend

[11:39:03]

Glaciality:

HAha

[11:39:06]

Dagmar:

Now THAT is a good idea

[11:39:06]

Glaciality:

*Haha

[11:39:09]

Dagmar:

Seriously

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Dagmar:

Don't drive yourself up a wall over this stuff.

[11:39:22]

Glaciality:

I could download Ubuntu in a few hours.

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Glaciality:

6.5Mb/512k internet

[11:39:43]

Glaciality:

But downloads still seem to last forever.

[11:40:02]

Glaciality:

And I need to get this finished as soon as possible.

[11:40:04]

Dagmar:

Too much porn clogging up the intertubes

[11:40:11]

Glaciality:

Building it for my parents as a present.

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anykey_:

well, if you have 6.5mbit/s you could go for ubuntu in about 40 minutes I think..

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gbee:

heh, better than mine – I imagined dialup speeds

[11:40:28]

Glaciality:

Heh, not quite.

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pat_:

anybody actually tried freenas, and if so would it be suitable for putting a few TB of drives on my network?

[11:40:40]

Glaciality:

Okay, I'll get my laptop and set the download running

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Glaciality:

Ubuntu 6.10 okay?

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juski:

they had to make a distro to make old machines into nas ?

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Dagmar:

pat_: Why not just "any distro" plus samba/nfs?

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gbee:

a dedicated mythtv box, small download and no-one has suggested knoppmyth etc?

[11:41:09]

Glaciality:

Less memory usage?

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juski:

gbee: I suggested it yesterday

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Glaciality:

I want to run Samba and Apache though gbee

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Dagmar:

Then you might want to give it a decade or two more

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stuarta:

!trout mysql unknown table

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** MythLogBot slaps mysql with a unknown table trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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juski:

put it this way I'd not want 'debian server' hogging 500MB disk space on a nas device

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Glaciality:

I'd rather run a full blown distro

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Glaciality:

40 minutes download isn't too bad.

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juski:

ubuntu really is fully blown ;)

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gbee:

Glaciality: fair enough – just so long as you know about the options

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Glaciality:

Haha :P

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** stuarta chuckls **

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Glaciality:

Well

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Glaciality:

The idea is I can SSH in and fix problems if they arise.

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juski:

ubuntu lovers have an extra vertebrae, so I hear

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Glaciality:

My parents aren't very good with technology, the Sky+ box is a challenge for my mum.

[11:44:17]

Glaciality:

And my dad wants something he can play Nethack on the TV with.

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juski:

Glaciality: a $ky+ box was a challenge for me – there's no fsking 'watch what you've recorded' option I could find

[11:44:38]

Glaciality:

I bought him a DS with Nethack on a flash card.

[11:44:41]

Glaciality:

He loved it.

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juski:

apparently it's stashed away somewhere WELL illogical – guide or something

[11:45:07]

Glaciality:

Press green on the main menu duh juski

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stuarta:

o this is really pissing me off.... damn mysql

[11:45:30]

juski:

where does it say to press green? anyway it's shite

[11:45:36]

Glaciality:

At the bottom

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Glaciality:

There's different colours for 4 options

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Glaciality:

One of them is Sky Planner, which has your recorded stuff for some strange reason

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Glaciality:

You can only get about 40 hours on the Sky box though

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juski:

that's what I mean!

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Glaciality:

It's awful and my parents have it full every 2 seconds.

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Glaciality:

So I'm giving them 2Tb, should keep them going for a while.

[11:47:14]

Glaciality:

Should I get Ubuntu 6.10 or 7.04 beta?

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gbee:

again I ssh into the knopmyth based machine I built for my parents – but I'm not trying to sell knoppmyth in particular, cesman has done great work with it but I'm not a huge fan of knoppix/debian and might opt for a something different when I upgrade it later in the year

[11:48:17]

Glaciality:

I was planning on getting Ubuntu CDs anyway

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Glaciality:

Build up my ever aging collection of distros

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visit0r_:

Glaciality: I'd go for the beta, it's working quite ok already

[11:48:39]

Glaciality:

I've got Fedora Core 1 somewhere

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gbee:

what something like knoppmyth has in it's favour is ease of setup, but if you know how to setup mythtv already then using your favourite distro is probably preferable

[11:48:44]

Glaciality:

And Mandrake 6.2

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Glaciality:

Everyone agree I should get the beta?

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gbee:

I'm using Mandriva 2007 beta (formerly Mandrake) on all of my own machines

[11:49:41]

Glaciality:

I used to use Mandrake 10.1

[11:49:52]

Glaciality:

I didn't like what they'd done with KDE.

[11:50:03]

Glaciality:

And at the time didn't know how to change it back

[11:50:11]

Glaciality:

So I got Fedora Core 2 and used that.

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gbee:

I should really try unbuntu as everyone has good thing to say about it, but then again the differences between the various distros is usually minor once your using them on a daily basis

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visit0r_:

gbee: which one you use?

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gbee:

Mandriva 2007

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Glaciality:

Oh ffs

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Glaciality:

No UK mirror for 7.04

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Glaciality:

Download going at 24kb a second :/

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Glaciality:

Stuff that :/

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Glaciality:

Aha

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Glaciality:

Sweedish mirror, much better.

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visit0r_:

gbee: hmm it's the version which is able to enable compiz bling bling automatically, etc.?

[11:52:14]

gbee:

I was about to say I really like urpmi – but then I realised that I don't have much experience with the other package managers so that really doesn't mean much

[11:52:22]

pat_:

I've tossed all the old cds today

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stuarta:

yeah!!!! fixed my oldrecorded table;

[11:52:28]

Glaciality:

50 mins to go

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Glaciality:

Hmm

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pat_:

I've got enough that with some blutack I could make my car mirrored

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gbee:

visit0r_: yeah – don't have it enabled though

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Glaciality:

If I'm running a frontend and a backend in one room

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Glaciality:

Could I add a second frontend in my room?

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gbee:

stuarta: hurray!

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pat_:

Glaciality: yeah, that's what I do

[11:53:13]

visit0r_:

gbee: I guess the package manager does not make that much difference, it's how well the packages (deps etc.) are done

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gbee:

Glaciality: yeah

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pat_:

minimith!

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Glaciality:

Ah nice.

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Glaciality:

Well, ubuntu looks like it's gonna take about an hour.

[11:53:40]

Glaciality:

So I'll leave that.

[11:53:44]

juski:

winner

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juski:

before you even play with mythtv test that tuner card

[11:54:12]

Glaciality:

Okay.

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Glaciality:

Any idea if my wireless USB stick will be supported by Ubuntu?

[11:54:48]

Glaciality:

It's a Belkin 54g one

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Glaciality:

One sec brb

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Dagmar:

If it worked under Cent then it'll work under Ubuntu

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Glaciality:

It's an F5D7050

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Glaciality:

It didn't work under Cent

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Dagmar:

You can Google to find out whether or not it's supported under Linux just as well as we can.

[11:55:59]

Glaciality:

May have worked with ndiswrapper, but I hate using that.

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gbee:

visit0r_: well the quality of the packaging does matter true and in that respect I've never had a problem with Mandriva – but then again my expectations are all based on what Mandriva does, I've never had a broken package but I've quite possibly installed packages which are created without features I might have used if I had known about them to start with

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juski:

you'd have to use ndiswrapper for any wireless device in linux, I'd have thought

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Dagmar:

nope

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Dagmar:

Just the ones without native drivers

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juski:

ahhh

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anykey_:

juski: no, my ipw2100 based card works perfectly with it's native drivers

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juski:

I need to play with my s100's wireless one of these days

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Dagmar:

Yeah you just have to drop in a firmware file and the ipw2100/ipw2200's work *great*

[11:57:11]

juski:

might get a wireless-enabled NAS out of one

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gbee:

Juski: I've got one wireless card running with a native driver – the others use ndiswrapper and although I dislike the need for ndiswrapper I have to admit it does it's job without and hassle

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gbee:

s/and/any/

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juski:

I've met some people who had a right old moan about why the drivers can't be open source – and there are good reasons why not – mostly radio licencing regulations

[11:58:43]

Dagmar:

hehehe

[11:58:56]

Dagmar:

Nah, it's still corporate IP

[11:59:16]

Dagmar:

YOu don't need source code to make them run on frequencies they're not supposed to

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juski:

yeah well you'd still get people using parts of bands they're not allowed to use

[11:59:42]

juski:

you don't? don't tell me on windows machines it's just a registry hack...

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Dagmar:

It's a matter of less than that, IF the card can actually function on frequencies outside the ranges it's supposed to

[12:00:41]

Dagmar:

Most of the time the cards simply can run their tuners much outside the band they're supposed to

[12:00:59]

juski:

way to get better data rates huh!

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Dagmar:

s/can/can't/;

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Dagmar:

I don't think running just outside the normal bands would help actually

[12:01:51]

Dagmar:

Usually noise that screws with them is all over the place... you'd have to jump FAR outside the normal spectrum, not just a few Mhz or so

[12:02:16]

juski:

I'm gonna need a fully worky wireless router here before I can mess with the s100's minipci card

[12:02:26]

Dagmar:

LInksys WRT54GL

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juski:

otherwise how will I know it's worky? ;)

[12:02:36]

Dagmar:

The "L" on the end is significant.

[12:02:50]

Glaciality:

There's 3 wireless routers around my house, and ethernet running to connect them all through the walls.

[12:02:56]

Dagmar:

Damnit that reminds me I need to dig up specs on the one they have at the coffee house

[12:03:03]

Glaciality:

Signals are crap on them.

[12:03:07]

juski:

whoah 40 squids? is that all?

[12:03:10]

Dagmar:

It's doing the usual "I'm all out of leases" bullshit most of the time

[12:03:17]

Dagmar:

juski: They're cheap

[12:03:27]

Glaciality:

Don't they run Linux?

[12:03:42]

Dagmar:

By default the things will only handle like 16–32 leases, which is a bit of a problem at a coffee house with a seating capacity of about 200

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Dagmar:

Glaciality: The model that ends in "GL" most definitely does

[12:04:11]

Glaciality:

Gentoo Linux? :D

[12:04:25]

Dagmar:

WRT54G has five revisions, only the first three of which (I htink, might be first two only) were running Linux

[12:04:29]

Glaciality:

Heh, I'm joking.

[12:04:32]

Dagmar:

I have a V1.

[12:04:38]

Glaciality:

I know you can reflash them with new Linux firmwares.

[12:04:49]

Glaciality:

I'm stuck with bloody 300Mbps Netgears :/

[12:05:43]

Glaciality:

If only other companies did that.

[12:05:46]

juski:

I'm not fussed what it runs so long as it works

[12:05:58]

Glaciality:

I'll laugh at the day Microsoft make drivers for their stuff for Linux.

[12:06:13]

Glaciality:

Like their MCE remotes and keyboards.

[12:06:19]

Glaciality:

brb

[12:06:26]

juski:

MCE remotes can work in linux

[12:06:32]

juski:

certain ones can AFAIK

[12:06:39]

Glaciality:

With LIRC?

[12:07:13]

juski:

http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/mceusb/

[12:07:47]

juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote

[12:08:23]

juski:

ironic the mythtv wiki's info is so much better than lirc's own

[12:09:34]

juski:

actually all that talk of wireless toys has inspired me to check up on the status of mythtv on an NSLUG

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Dagmar:

North Spankingham Linux Users Group?

[12:11:43]

juski:

http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/FusionHDTV5USBGold

[12:11:54]

Dagmar:

Ah

[12:12:19]

juski:

they use redboot! hahaha we're using that on new systems at work

[12:12:56]

stuarta:

it's a reasoable standard at least..

[12:13:06]

Dagmar:

juski: Seriously man, with all the stuff you've done on the S100, a Linksys WRT54GL will be *easy* for you to work with

[12:13:33]

Dagmar:

It's a little weird having to make an image and then tftp it in at first, but after that it's just really really simple

[12:13:44]

juski:

I wonder if gar-minimyth would build with distcc

[12:14:05]

juski:

Dagmar: I'm already well used to using tftp to do firmware loading

[12:14:15]

** Dagmar envisions a symbol table resembling hillbilly dental work **

[12:14:33]

juski:

the windows-ites at work fucking hate the new linuxy stuff

[12:14:48]

juski:

I'm like "ooooo TFTP! neato"

[12:15:12]

juski:

they're like "what? having to MOUNT a HDD before I can use it? WTF?! arghhh!"

[12:15:51]

juski:

and "arghh! the disk isn't in the mount table"... "did you fdisk it?" "what?! help!!" :-P

[12:16:04]

juski:

they're funny

[12:16:13]

Dagmar:

Just give them some bad RAM modules for their machines

[12:16:26]

Dagmar:

Then they'll learn why being particular about disks is important

[12:16:35]

juski:

when the developers get round to stopping the thing corrupting its flash fs.. that'll be nice

[12:16:43]

Dagmar:

hah

[12:17:17]

juski:

I think it's a hardware issue meself – maybe dodgy address decode timing

[12:17:56]

juski:

the section used for settings tables is in a different area of flash so in theory, a read-only fs shouldn't get corrupted

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juski:

arggh it's sunday & I'm thinking about work :(

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n3o:

can anyone help me install myth tv on my system?

[12:18:47]

Dagmar:

Hey it's Sunday and I'm AT work

[12:18:51]

n3o:

I really dont exactly understand much of whats needed

[12:18:51]

Glaciality:

Without getting lirc, how do I know what version my MCE remote is?

[12:19:07]

Dagmar:

n3o: We only help with technical problems encountered while installing. We do not do hand-holding here.

[12:19:11]

juski:

n3o: well, read the docs, ask questions about what you don't understand

[12:19:17]

n3o:

ok.

[12:19:18]

Dagmar:

Glaciality: 1-800-MS-CLEO

[12:19:27]

Glaciality:

What?

[12:19:32]

Dagmar:

Call a psychic

[12:19:46]

Glaciality:

Oh right, I meant can you not tell by looking at it?

[12:19:47]

lin_:

n3o, the wiki & documentation is pretty detailed and comprehensive

[12:19:51]

Dagmar:

Not really

[12:19:51]

Glaciality:

Numbers on it and such

[12:19:52]

gardengnome:

re

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juski:

Glaciality: the mythtv wiki has pictures

[12:20:11]

juski:

noobs like looking at pictures :)

[12:20:16]

Dagmar:

juski: Oh BTW I got those diagrams finished and up in the LIRC page on the wiki

[12:20:19]

n3o:

what guide should i use for intalling myth tv on my 6.10 ubuntu system

[12:20:24]

Glaciality:

Ah cool

[12:20:25]

Dagmar:

So now there's pretty infographics on the LIRC document as well

[12:20:26]

Glaciality:

I have v2

[12:20:31]

juski:

n3o: use the ubuntu community docs

[12:20:35]

Dagmar:

n3o: The one specifically for Edgy that's on Ubuntu's site

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n3o:

ok

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Dagmar:

They have sworn to me that it works

[12:21:04]

juski:

yeah well incase it doesn't make a note of this:

[12:21:17]

Dagmar:

One of their dev people was in here last week and I practically shook him by the scruff of his neck

[12:21:20]

juski:

the password for the mythtv mysql account is kept in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

[12:21:38]

Dagmar:

"WHY FOR DO YOU MAKE UR USERS DO THIS TO US?!?"

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juski:

Dagmar: because we're evil at heart & must be paid back in kind? :-P

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evilDagmar:

You seen me using this handle in here in a while?

[12:22:29]

evilDagmar:

No...

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[12:22:52]

juski:

I wonder what the general perception of the mythtv community is like these days

[12:22:57]

Dagmar:

The Theo comment I got earlier was just really off base

[12:23:36]

n3o:

I want to use myth tv for recording programs from my satellite receiver.

[12:23:45]

juski:

the 'bunch of bastards' comment in the LRL interview I got worried me, although not so much after noting where it came from

[12:23:48]

Dagmar:

What kind of sat reciever?

[12:23:51]

Dagmar:

Big dish or little dish?

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n3o:

DSTV original irdeto system

[12:24:18]

n3o:

Medium sized dish

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n3o:

what difference does the dish make?

[12:24:47]

Dagmar:

Because the old ones with the big dish you have to use a robot arm to wave around just aren't going to work for beans

[12:24:56]

n3o:

oh.. no

[12:25:00]

n3o:

not that

[12:25:09]

Dagmar:

Fixed dish digital systems can at least be interfaced with LIRC

[12:25:17]

Glaciality:

Hmm

[12:25:19]

n3o:

I have a normal co-ax input

[12:25:34]

Glaciality:

I can't program my MCE remote for my TV. The buttons flash 4 times no matter what I do. :/

[12:25:37]

n3o:

i basically just want to take the normal stream i get through the cable from coax

[12:25:37]

juski:

n3o: you will need a means of mythtv changing channels on the satellite box

[12:25:41]

n3o:

into my tv card

[12:25:54]

n3o:

No.. I have a remote control for that

[12:25:56]

Dagmar:

I don't know whether or not you can get a PCI card that will tune on that

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juski:

n3o: you won't be able to get by for long changing channels manually

[12:26:15]

Dagmar:

If you don't you probably want to use the thing's s-video or composite output rather than anything involving an RF modulator

[12:26:43]

Dagmar:

You will definitely want an IR transciever to do your channel changing

[12:26:45]

n3o:

The only input i can use on my card is the normal coax input

[12:26:52]

Dagmar:

What kind of card do you have?

[12:26:55]

juski:

n3o: mythtv needs to be able to change channels on the satellite box

[12:27:04]

n3o:

one moment i will try get you a picture

[12:27:11]

Dagmar:

Umm... no thanks

[12:27:17]

n3o:

why cant i just use it on one channel?

[12:27:21]

Dagmar:

I'm not playing the "identify my hardware" game

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n3o:

I dont want to use anything else

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n3o:

just change between about 5 channels using my remote

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juski:

if you will only ever use it one channel, then it should be fine

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juski:

but something tells me you'll get bored with that

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Dagmar:

...but then I'd have to question why the hell you'd bother with MythTV then

[12:28:00]

Dagmar:

You'd be better off with TVTime for just watching TV

[12:28:04]

Dibblah:

Juski: Orrr.. Have 5 cards.

[12:28:15]

juski:

if all you want to do is _watch_ tv, use something else

[12:28:23]

Dagmar:

Yep.

[12:28:24]

n3o:

No.. i just need a program to record shows

[12:28:33]

n3o:

if myth tv is not what i need, what can i use for this?

[12:28:42]

Glaciality:

Hmm

[12:28:50]

Glaciality:

Mine seems to be a mix of v2 and v2 alt

[12:28:56]

mike3_:

n3o, pussy

[12:28:58]

juski:

n3o: using mythtv for just one channel is a bit daft IMHO

[12:29:04]

mike3_:

everyone needs a little of that

[12:29:04]

Dagmar:

Myth can "just record" but it's main focus is elsewhere. It will be somewhat uphill to use it for what you're wanting to do

[12:29:21]

Dibblah:

n3o: You can use myth. You just need an IR transmitter.

[12:29:24]

n3o:

My card: http://www.sunsway.com.hk/photo/tv-fm.jpg

[12:29:43]

n3o:

what is ir transmitter and why would i need one ?

[12:29:52]

Dagmar:

n3o: That picture sure looks like it has an s-video input to me

[12:30:02]

juski:

n3o: you need one to allow mythtv to change channels on the satellite box

[12:30:10]

n3o:

yes but i dont have an svideo cable for that

[12:30:25]

Dagmar:

So buy one. They're cheap.

[12:30:42]

blackest:

hi got a small problem had a mythtv set up seperate backend and frontend i lost the backend and had to rebuild the box problem is the frontend on the remote system is still trying to connect to the nonexistant old backend i just need to reconfigure the frontend but i cant find myth-setup any idea how to reconfigure it without uninstall and reinstall

[12:30:48]

juski:

sure the RF output will always be on one channel, but what mythtv needs to do is control the channel the box is showing so you can record different channels. even if you only want to deal with 5 channels

[12:30:48]

Dagmar:

There's no sense in screwing up a perfectly good signal by broadcasting it over RF just to tune it back down to a pure video signal

[12:30:49]

n3o:

at the moment i would like to get it working with what i have.. as it is a sunday and most of the shops are closed

[12:31:00]

lin_:

kaffeine is pretty nice for that, it will record whatever you are watching if you will it so ... or mplayer (using mencoder can encode directly to xvid etc.)

[12:31:01]

Dagmar:

Haha good luck

[12:31:21]

Dagmar:

You need to find out what your tuner card is and get it working with Linux *first*

[12:31:32]

n3o:

How can i do this dagmar?>

[12:31:42]

Dagmar:

Looking at the box, using Google.

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Dagmar:

Checking lspci

[12:31:50]

Dagmar:

I'm *not* looking this up for people anymore

[12:31:55]

juski:

blackest: you could use some mysql-fu – prolly easiest to use phpmyadmin

[12:31:59]

ubuntuEdgy:

hi Dagmar:

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n3o:

My card is.. Sunsway PCI-FM/TV7130

[12:32:21]

n3o:

PCI TV Capture Card with FM Radio

[12:32:39]

juski:

saa7134 :) blech!

[12:32:42]

n3o:

With phillips chipset

[12:32:44]

n3o:

yes

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Dagmar:

Don't care

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n3o:

?

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blackest:

its not so bad saa7134

[12:33:07]

Dagmar:

It's for YOU to configure LInux, not you to tell us what you have and make us tell you what to type

[12:33:08]

lin_:

lol, Dagmar is on strike

[12:33:09]

juski:

make sure the card works in linux. use tvtime or xawtv for that

[12:33:09]

lin_:

:)

[12:33:29]

blackest:

is it a dvb-t card ?

[12:33:30]

Glaciality:

Hmm

[12:33:36]

Dagmar:

lin_: I'm just sick of dealing with newbie bullshit from people so lazy they can't be bothered to spend 15 minutes actually _reading_ their Google hits

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juski:

blackest: no. it's a lamegrabber

[12:33:48]

blackest:

yuck

[12:33:50]

Glaciality:

I've got an old PCTV1000 card somewhere with a Connextant chipset, think it might work?

[12:33:54]

Glaciality:

It didn't on windows.

[12:34:00]

Dagmar:

Dude, don't use framegrabber cards.

[12:34:00]

juski:

Glaciality: hahaha. try it

[12:34:04]

Dagmar:

It makes the baby jebus cry

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juski:

it makes me kill the kittens

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Dagmar:

Oh man

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Dagmar:

I'm going to have to make a graphic of that now

[12:35:01]

Glaciality:

It's a spare one

[12:35:10]

** juski finds a pic of himself wielding a big knife **

[12:35:10]

Dagmar:

juski: http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/image . . . mkitten1.jpg <-- look enough like your hands, do they?

[12:35:11]

Glaciality:

Thought it might let me upscale my PS2

[12:35:13]

blackest:

i've got a mercury analog card i decided it wasnt worth the bother quality sucks it uses all your cpu then you have the audio capture problems ... go digital :)

[12:35:25]

lin_:

hmmp.. he left, not even a thanx

[12:35:35]

Glaciality:

Well, I'll stick with my DVB card then

[12:35:46]

Dagmar:

lin_: The "leetest" handles are always the laziest little bitches (pardon my french)

[12:35:47]

juski:

I still think that Neo guy in the matrix shoulda been called Emo

[12:36:26]

ubuntuEdgy:

lol

[12:36:31]

lin_:

lol

[12:36:41]

juski:

Neo didn't even use Linux – I mean that doesn't make him geeky enough IMHO

[12:36:53]

Glaciality:

Hmm, there's a small blue screen on the front of my case that shows temperature information

[12:37:00]

Glaciality:

Think it's possible to reprogram it?

[12:37:07]

juski:

Glaciality: prolly not

[12:37:19]

Glaciality:

Aww

[12:37:22]

juski:

unless it's connected to the motherboard somehow – other than for power

[12:37:25]

Glaciality:

Would have been sweet.

[12:37:37]

Glaciality:

It's got a two pin connector to the mobo iirc.

[12:37:43]

juski:

as many as that eh?

[12:37:48]

Dagmar:

That's probably just for power

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ubuntuEdgy:

dose it have an sotware interface ?

[12:37:52]

Glaciality:

For power then.

[12:37:54]

Glaciality:

No it doesn't.

[12:37:59]

ubuntuEdgy:

software*

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Glaciality:

I'll open the case after and check.

[12:38:16]

juski:

so it's more 7-segment display than dot matrix – and as much use as a chocolate fireguard

[12:38:32]

ubuntuEdgy:

the computer has to be able to communicate with it

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juski:

but hey it lights up blue, so it must be good, right? ;)

[12:38:55]

Glaciality:

It seems to be 3 7 segments and two fan meters

[12:39:01]

Glaciality:

Just a thought, oh well.

[12:39:05]

juski:

forget all about it :)

[12:39:24]

lin_:

grrrrr... I have no idea what caused this, it was working fine yesterday.. woke up today.. and mythbackend no longer functions... it starts, then closes within seconds

[12:39:25]

ubuntuEdgy:

maybe if the computer controls it some how

[12:39:26]

Glaciality:

I'd buy a new case but I don't fancy shelling out Â£60–70

[12:39:37]

lin_:

the logs say. snip: Failed to bind port 6543. Exiting.

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juski:

lin_: check the log

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juski:

lin_: you mean it's already running then?

[12:39:56]

juski:

ps -ef |grep mythbackend

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lin_:

the rest of the log looks normal

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ubuntuEdgy:

Glaciality:im sat here with no case at the moment

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** lin_ blushes **

[12:40:58]

lin_:

thank you juski

[12:41:09]

lin_:

maybe i should of had my coffee first

[12:41:17]

lin_:

defunt mythbackend

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Glaciality:

Hmm

[12:41:46]

Glaciality:

Is it possible to run a PS2 with Linux on as a MythTV frontend?

[12:41:46]

juski:

there's my quota for the week. time to be an asshole again...

[12:41:53]

lin_:

sweet.. all good now

[12:41:56]

lin_:

:)

[12:42:07]

Glaciality:

That sounds like an awesome idea.

[12:42:12]

juski:

Glaciality: hahahahahahaha hahahahahhahaaha hahahahaha

[12:42:15]

Glaciality:

It's quiet and small.

[12:42:30]

juski:

did you miss all the slashdot & digg links on it being done?

[12:42:30]

Glaciality:

Probably not enough power though.

[12:42:35]

juski:

no? then it didn't happen

[12:42:36]

Glaciality:

Really?

[12:42:51]

Glaciality:

I never read Slashdot and Digg. Engadget and Hackaday for me.

[12:42:58]

juski:

same diff

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stuarta:

*PS3* should be good for it though

[12:43:08]

Glaciality:

Got one stuarta

[12:43:22]

Glaciality:

Don't fancy leaving it running Linux all the time though.

[12:43:29]

juski:

from what I've heard it should play SDTV with the cpu maxed out

[12:44:08]

** juski starts to get a bit sick of seeing compiler output now **

[12:44:36]

lin_:

brb

[12:44:36]

juski:

well, at least when this is done building it'll only be doing the changes next time

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Glaciality:

Wait a sec, no WiFi. I rememer why I screwed that idea last time now.

[12:44:49]

ubuntuEdgy:

here case im going to use for my front end :) http://uk.shopping.com/xPF-Acoustic-Solutions-SP120

[12:45:27]

juski:

where do you get that from then?

[12:45:40]

juski:

penny drops

[12:45:43]

juski:

it's a cd player

[12:45:59]

Glaciality:

Nice.

[12:46:03]

ubuntuEdgy:

yes its broke on me ,now i have good ideas for it

[12:46:07]

Glaciality:

Hmm

[12:46:10]

juski:

good luck getting the display to work – or are you gonna rip it out & put a new one in?

[12:46:21]

juski:

the buttons should be easy with an old usb keyboard

[12:46:23]

Glaciality:

Now that's an idea, PSP as a frontend? :D

[12:46:23]

ubuntuEdgy:

i cost me Â£80

[12:46:42]

juski:

now that's an idea, my Casio calculator as a frontend!

[12:46:50]

juski:

it has a CPU in it, right?

[12:47:15]

Glaciality:

So it should work shouldn't it?

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Glaciality:

If anyone has been arsed to port it.

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juski:

who knows what kind of architecture it is though

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ubuntuEdgy:

juski: i realyy dont know about the display , its only for cd playing stuff like calender shuffle stop and play ,so yeh i will probably remove it

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Glaciality:

MIPS or ARM I believe.

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: http://www.juski.co.uk/s100/ :)

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juski:

it won't play HDTV but makes a nifty frontend

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ubuntuEdgy:

its not worth it but is shore would be fun right ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

juski: is that a cumputer power suply ,did you do that your self ?

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juski:

it's a ready-made thing

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juski:

got for Â£notmuch on Ebay

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Glaciality:

I've got an old On Digital box somewhere, I wonder what people have done with those

[12:50:08]

Glaciality:

Ubuntu has downloaded.

[12:50:11]

Glaciality:

Whoo.

[12:50:26]

juski:

Glaciality: this this is actually a real PC in an STB case

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Dibblah:

I still like real PC + long wires :)

[12:51:13]

Glaciality:

Ah nice.

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ubuntuEdgy:

looks good ,the problem im going to have is with the power supply they are huge

[12:51:26]

Glaciality:

Does MythFrontend run on Windows at all?

[12:51:30]

Glaciality:

Cygwin or whatever.

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: look at some of the SFF PSUs

[12:52:11]

juski:

there was breaking news about a full windows frontend today but it was just a piss-poor attempt at an April fool's joke

[12:52:17]

juski:

;)

[12:52:19]

Glaciality:

Using my laptop as a frontend might be cool.

[12:52:25]

Glaciality:

Aww crap.

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ubuntuEdgy:

lol

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ubuntuEdgy:

wha

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juski:

I made a mockup of it :)

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Dibblah:

There's various fake frontends for Windows.

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gbee:

forgotten all about April fools

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** gbee wonders just how gullable he has been **

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ubuntuEdgy:

ohh well

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Glaciality:

I told my sister that Nintendo were recalling all Wii's and that therefore she'd lose all her saves. She practically shit herself.

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juski:

warning: Ã¢class QImageIOFrameGrabberÃ¢ has virtual functions but non-virtual destructor – can only mean one thingng – it's up to doing mythtv now :)

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blackest:

there is a mythtv frontend project for windows i never got it setup thou

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juski:

blackest: it's a good way to test your backend's ruggedness, that's for sure.

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gbee:

I still want someone to build mythmusic, if there are any compilation errors I'd rather sort them today

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** lin_ trips and stumbles on entering the room **

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juski:

always crashed mine

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blackest:

gbee why not use slimserver works for me

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juski:

gbee: been a while since I did an svn up on my devvy box

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ubuntuEdgy:

any one know why irexec stops working after 10 minutes ?

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juski:

I need to write the password for this other box down somewhere

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gbee:

blackest: not saying it won't ever happen, but I'm not going to be doing it – strangely enough I like mythmusic and would rather develop it into something better than just drop in a third party option

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juski:

gbee: updating now

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juski:

mythtv will take a while to build & I'll let ya know

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gbee:

Juski: only thin to note is that you need taglib installed (libtag) including the dev package and rerun configure

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juski:

ah okees

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Glaciality:

brb installing Ubuntu

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juski:

Glaciality: see if you can beat my record of under 2 hours to worky mythbox on ubunut :)

[13:01:19]

Glaciality:

Unlikely

[13:01:53]

Glaciality:

Allthough I installed Cent and all updates plus XMLTV and MythTV in 1 hours 30 mins last night on this box which is a 2200+ Sempron with 768Mb RAM.

[13:02:02]

Glaciality:

Anyway, see you in about an hour.

[13:02:26]

juski:

anyone watch the new Dr Who last night then?

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immolo:

recorded but not watched

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juski:

despite being a Russell T Davies penned effort it's not a waste of hdd space :)

[13:05:05]

immolo:

lol

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stuarta:

gunna have a look after watching species 3

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juski:

omg..

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juski:

they made 2 sequels?

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stuarta:

yeah. natasha henstridge in the 2nd, and guest appearance in the 3rd

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Dagmar:

i.e., "we needed an excuse to get new blondes naked on the screen"

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stuarta:

which is really the only reason to watch it

[13:08:14]

Dagmar:

Wow, I just had a secretary squeal

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juski:

it's an allegory for marriage anyway

[13:08:25]

Dagmar:

I think I might have gone "too far" with this graphic

[13:08:36]

Dagmar:

Dude, what the fuck kind of relationship did your parents have?

[13:08:57]

** juski laughs **

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juski:

yowser.. directed by Brad Turner of '24' infamy

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stuarta:

they also managed to make i 30mins longer than the 2nd one.

[13:12:15]

stuarta:

it

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Dagmar:

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/evild . . . t=1175433411

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Dagmar:

There we go

[13:17:27]

Dagmar:

Every time you use a framegrabber card, Juski kills a kitten

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stuarta:

hahaha

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** RaYmAn-Bx rushes out and buys a bunch of framegrabber cards **

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juski:

rofl

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gbee:

bastard!

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RaYmAn-Bx:

actually, can I just help kill the kittens instead?

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juski:

the voices in my head make me do it

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** RaYmAn-Bx wanders off to watch Doctor Who **

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stuarta:

nice. hauppauge mce remote kit comes with an ir blaster.

[13:20:18]

Dagmar:

Damn you

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gbee:

crap, updated my version of blootube and it's overwritten all the changes I'd forgotten I had made

[13:24:40]

** gardengnome is about to buy another DVB-C card.. **

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gardengnome:

i hope the CI will work this time

[13:25:07]

** gardengnome checks bank account **

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juski:

43 themes are going unmaintained from my side from today

[13:27:12]

juski:

4:3 even

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Dagmar:

SIGONOEZ

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gardengnome:

juski: how much did the TV set lobby pay? :)

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neopsyche:

Hi, if anyone can help.. im experiencing the same problem with modifying .ko as seen here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=311756

[13:31:08]

juski:

leave off the .ko

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gardengnome:

umm

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gardengnome:

neopsyche: cross-posting sucks. don't do it.

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neopsyche:

I get.. insmod: can't read 'saa7134': No such file or directory

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juski:

don't use insmod then

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Dagmar:

You are supposed to use `modprobe` to load modules.

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neopsyche:

hmmm

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Dagmar:

If this is Edgy and you ran `depmod` after building and installing the kernel module, it should "just work" without you having to manually load it if it's the correct driver for the card

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neopsyche:

Card comes up as "generic" so i have to figure out what "number" it is ... to get it workng .. i found this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2485586 which is my card... so these settings should work .. but im having trouble with the instructions to install correct colaboration with driver/card

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stuarta:

modprobe <module> option=blah

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Dagmar:

The first URL you posted told how to do it

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Dagmar:

...and the person asking made the person answering repeat himself even

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neopsyche:

interesting

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neopsyche:

WARNING: Failed to open config file /etc/modprobe.d/options.save: Permission denied

[13:39:47]

neopsyche:

WARNING: Failed to open config file /etc/modprobe.d/options.save: Permission denied

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neopsyche:

FATAL: Error inserting saa7134 (/lib/modules/2.6.17-11–386/kernel/drivers/media/video/saa7134/saa7134.ko) : Operation not permitted

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neopsyche:

FATAL: Error running install command for saa7134

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Dagmar:

Please read these things before you paste them to us to *read for you*

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Dagmar:

DOH! You triggered the flood sensor

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Dagmar:

Now I can't see what you're typing anymore. Oh well.

[13:40:22]

Glaciality:

Allright I'm back and with a fully updated Feisty Ubuntu!

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Glaciality:

Now, should I use the archives of Myth on the downloads section or the subversion version?

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Dagmar:

Glaciality: Actually 0.20-fixes is probably what you or anyone else would want to use right now

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juski:

Glaciality: subversion.. see svn.mythtv.org & go for 0.20-fixes

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Dagmar:

Glaciality: The SVN HEAD isn't guaranteed to compile, let alone work

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Dagmar:

...but 0.20-fixes is generally golden

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** juski is compiling head to test for gbee now **

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Glaciality:

Alright.

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Glaciality:

Stable 0.20 branch, is that it?

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stuarta:

Glaciality: 0.20-fixes

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Dagmar:

. o O (wow how does that guy manage to dress himself in the morning)

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juski:

think I need to gen up on my irssi filters

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Glaciality:

I'm just making sure I don't cock anything up Dagmar.

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Dagmar:

Glaciality: Well, this level of caution is good

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Glaciality:

I've got a bad habit of making wrong choices and having to spend hours fixing things.

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juski:

what, like CentOS ;)

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gbee:

isn't guarenteed, but 99% of the time it will compile and will work just fine

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Dagmar:

Well, LONG AGO when it was released that was a good choice

[13:43:34]

Dagmar:

They just seem to have been sitting on their laurels counting their nickels ever since

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Glaciality:

It's just free Red Hat Enterprise isn't it?

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Dagmar:

With an extra 50% corporate bullshit

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fryfrog:

anyone know what the recordedmarkup table is?

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fryfrog:

i'm trying to make a backup so i can revert to pure -fixes branch

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fryfrog:

channel netflix oldprogram oldrecorded people record recorded recordedcredits

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fryfrog:

so far i am saving those tables

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stuarta:

just save the entire database.

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Dagmar:

Yep. Probably much simpler

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fryfrog:

but i'm not sure if recordedmarkup,program,rating,seek,profiles and match

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juski:

the recordedmarkup table is used to seek within recordings – it stores commflagging/edit info there as well as where all the keyframes are & stuff

[13:45:11]

fryfrog:

my current db is a few scheme revisions *past* fixes

[13:45:19]

juski:

you can rebuild it if need be but it's less hassle if you just back it up

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fryfrog:

so i get attempts to "upgrade" every time it starts up

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Dibblah:

Juski... I think that's old info.

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juski:

Dibblah: yeah? what's in it now?

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Dibblah:

recordedseek now contains the GOP marks, etc.

[13:46:06]

juski:

oh wait there's recordedseek

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ubuntuEdgy:

has any been able to do wakeonlan : its really frustrating having to go and turn the backend on

[13:46:18]

juski:

so markup is just the markups.. heh

[13:46:25]

Dibblah:

recordedmarkup should be much smaller these days.

[13:46:44]

juski:

ubuntuEdgy: yeah, but recent kernels have made wakeonlan only work after a power cycle

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Dibblah:

Wasn't like that until a few hundred commits ago., Can't remember exactly when :(

[13:46:58]

juski:

for my epia box anyway ;)

[13:47:14]

Dibblah:

Workaround for WOL is to use grub.

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: just download wakeonlan, then do "wakeonlan MACID"

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Dibblah:

ie machine "reboots", then shuts down.

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Dagmar:

juski: Make sure it's not saving the clock to the hwclock after it sets the timer

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juski:

Dagmar: oh i dunno what's causing it.. it's ethernet driver related

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juski:

software poweroff screws up the NIC

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Dagmar:

Are you doing a suspend mode or a "hot" poweroff?

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Dagmar:

Ahhh...

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Dagmar:

Okay that could suck

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juski:

it used to work great

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juski:

hasn't since about minimyth 0.18-xx or so

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juski:

it's no biggie

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Dagmar:

I'm slowly working on reducing power consumption on my box, mainly through package tweaking

[13:51:59]

Dagmar:

I don't intend to have to revisit some of this stuff again

[13:52:12]

fryfrog:

what creates the *tables* in the mythconverg db?

[13:52:15]

fryfrog:

starting up the BE?

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fryfrog:

cause mc.sql sure don't

[13:52:34]

juski:

mythtv-setup for one

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fryfrog:

ah, k

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fryfrog:

thanks :)

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juski:

whatever runs dbcheck.cpp IIRC

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Dagmar:

That would be the backend

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Dagmar:

I *think*

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fryfrog:

gotta be mythtv-setup too

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fryfrog:

cause you have to run that *before* starting the be

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Dagmar:

It's in libmyth, so it could be either

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Dagmar:

or possibly both

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Dagmar:

I know I've never had to run mythtv-setup to get it to upgrade my schema and that happens in the same stuff

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Dagmar:

Probably both... it would make sense

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juski:

after upgrading I always tend to check mythtv-setup to make sure everything looks sane

[13:57:32]

juski:

ooo what's these binary coded things at the bottom of the screen on news24 ?

[13:58:58]

DFG:

how can I apply patch to my backend, do I need to recompile or stuff like that?.. (I have no idea how to do this)

[13:59:01]

fryfrog:

http://www.cliveholloway.net/mccain/

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fryfrog:

damn, that dude who fucked with mcain's hotlinking got his shit taken by the fbi

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Dagmar:

Oh you're fucking kidding me

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fryfrog:

poor guy, must be scared as shit

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fryfrog:

i prank hotlinkers all the time

[13:59:45]

fryfrog:

i'd have totally done it to a senator :/

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Dagmar:

I'd be suing.

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fryfrog:

yeah, really. its the *senator* that was stealing shit

[14:00:06]

Dagmar:

I'd already be halfway up the sheriffs ass with a pickaxe in one hand and a lawyer in the other.

[14:00:11]

fryfrog:

they think he hacked into his web page

[14:00:24]

Dagmar:

Yes, and there's absolutely no grounds for this accusation as well.

[14:00:33]

Dagmar:

He'll get his shit back within 24 hours of getting a lawyer.

[14:00:39]

DFG:

..any help?

[14:00:52]

Dagmar:

They only need images of his equipment for what they need to know, or think they need to know.

[14:01:06]

Dagmar:

...and there will be very pointed questions asked about what "evidence" was given to a judge to get this warrant

[14:01:10]

juski:

DFG: you need to patch the _source_ and by implication that means recompiling mythtv & its plugins

[14:01:14]

Dagmar:

I have been where this guy is

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Dagmar:

Ooooo... "(2) items which contain or refer to protest movements or anti-government activities or organizations..." <--- this should not be on a warrant

[14:01:52]

Dagmar:

betcha betcha betcha they invoked their magic new anti-terrorist powers improperly

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DFG:

juski: I thought so

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Dagmar:

There's been some ongoing "impropriety" involving them basically spying on protest groups

[14:03:52]

Dagmar:

Oh he HAS a lawyers

[14:03:55]

Dagmar:

This is good. :)

[14:04:11]

Dagmar:

I hereby predict a massive bloody nose for McCain's crew

[14:04:28]

Dagmar:

Lemme go draw more attention to the story in the "right places"

[14:04:29]

Dagmar:

hehe

[14:06:33]

DFG:

do you know, how fast does these paches come with new version?.. just tinking to wait next release. Im talking bout http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2528

[14:07:03]

juski:

DFG depends whether or not they get committed

[14:07:14]

juski:

if they get committed, they appear in SVN right away

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DFG:

mm, SVN?

[14:07:39]

juski:

sometimes they get backported to -fixes, other times you'd have to wait for the next full release

[14:07:47]

juski:

or just stick to using the head version from SVN

[14:07:51]

juski:

svn.mythtv.org

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DFG:

aa, ok thanks:)

[14:09:16]

anykey_:

aaah, why must those drive-boxes have such a noisy fan :|

[14:09:45]

juski:

anykey_: to er.. stop the HDD dying of heat fatigue? ;)

[14:10:01]

stuarta:

the thing about using SVN is if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces

[14:10:26]

anykey_:

juski: well, they could use a 120mm fan, but they used two noisy 60mm ones, i hate that :p

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juski:

mythtv finished compiling – off to the plugins now :)

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juski:

gbee – running make on the plugins now

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tore:

when recording I can't select "watch tv" anymore, as expected. it says it's using all inputs, and that if I want to watch an in-progress recording I can select one from the playback menu. but where on earth is this menu?

[14:16:06]

tore:

media library -> watch recordings doesn't appear to show in-progress recordings at least

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juski:

'watch recordings'

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juski:

select the group filter that will show you livetv recordings

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Glaciality:

Okay

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tore:

juski: been through all of them, can't find anything about livetv nor the name of the program I'm currently recording

[14:17:07]

Glaciality:

Well, got my USB WiFi stick running

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ubuntuEdgy:

great

[14:17:24]

juski:

tore: press M while in the 'watch recordings' screen

[14:17:36]

ubuntuEdgy:

if only i can get my wakeonlan working :(

[14:18:10]

juski:

ubuntuEdgy: usually just a BIOS setting, then you need the 'wakeonlan' program – and of course you need to know the NICs MAC ID

[14:18:15]

tore:

juski: ooh! thanks mate :)

[14:19:06]

juski:

tore: yeah. I'm not the fucking manual ya know

[14:19:18]

Glaciality:

Wow this is piles easier, apt-get install lame then apt-get install xmltv

[14:19:25]

Glaciality:

No faffing about installing Perl modules.

[14:20:00]

juski:

gbee: all good so far

[14:20:10]

Glaciality:

Would I be better getting MythTV off apt-get or building myself?

[14:21:49]

stuarta:

changing testing to stable if you are using that

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stuarta:

and apt-get build-dep mythtv

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Glaciality:

How exactly do I do that? I've never used Debian based distros before.

[14:22:23]

Glaciality:

I'm using Ubutu 7.04 if that affects anything

[14:23:13]

juski:

Glaciality: you could just use the binary packages...

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ubuntuEdgy:

juski:this is so strange , the only problem is the card dose not retain power when the computer is off ,witch means the packets don't work

[14:23:29]

Glaciality:

Is that a better idea? And can I still add new plugins?

[14:23:45]

juski:

Glaciality: new plugins? what new plugins?

[14:24:03]

stuarta:

Glaciality: what are you planning on doing? developing or using myth?

[14:24:06]

Glaciality:

People make new plugins like MythWeb and MythBrowser don't they?

[14:24:17]

juski:

they're not _new_

[14:24:22]

Glaciality:

Using, but I'd like to be able to add new themes and plugins.

[14:24:25]

Glaciality:

Well, those kinds of things.

[14:24:27]

juski:

they're core plugins

[14:24:39]

juski:

yeah there are packages of all the major ones

[14:24:53]

Glaciality:

Okay, so apt-get install mythtv?

[14:24:54]

juski:

gbee: worked fine!

[14:24:58]

Dagmar:

Man this is really, really bullshit

[14:25:16]

Dagmar:

I can't believe those fuckers at McCain's offices sent the FBI to confiscate this guy's stuff

[14:25:50]

Dagmar:

Imma call some people I know who work for various political offices in DC about this crap

[14:25:54]

gbee:

Juski: good to hear – that makes at least three different machines, so looks good

[14:26:07]

Glaciality:

Is that command correct?

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: what guy's stuff?

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juski:

Glaciality: sudo apt-get install mythtv

[14:26:20]

Dagmar:

gardengnome: http://www.cliveholloway.net/mccain/

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juski:

work to the ubuntu wiki howto guide

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Glaciality:

I'm su'd anyway currently.

[14:26:37]

** juski whispers rtfm **

[14:26:53]

Glaciality:

sudo is an annoyance for multiple commands for me

[14:26:57]

Dagmar:

gardengnome: There is no way a judge would normally have signed off on that warrant. I'm betting point #2 on the thing is a sign that some anti-terrorism bullshit was invoked in order to get this warrant

[14:27:03]

Glaciality:

So I just su to root and then exit back to my user when I'm done.

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juski:

stops you being your own worst enemy IME

[14:27:20]

Glaciality:

Yeah

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Glaciality:

When I first started with Linux a few years ago I caused a kernel panic in epic style

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juski:

when I said the wiki I meant the ubuntu community docs

[14:27:41]

Glaciality:

Chmodded everything to 7777

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Dagmar:

gardengnome: either way, I can't think of a faster way to burn bridges on the Internet than to screw with someone on a _massive social networking site_

[14:27:52]

ubuntuEdgy:

im going to try to wol when its on stand by , any one know the cammand to place the pc on standby / sleep

[14:30:06]

ubuntuEdgy:

sudo sleep ,seems to do it thanks

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: you just gave me an idea... I could play with STR & see if I can make it worky with my minimyth to save all that pesky boot time

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juski:

Dagmar: is that THE McCain, the insane dude ?

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juski:

the guy who was trying to sue centos or whatever?

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Glaciality:

Am I okay to follow this guide in Ubuntu 7.04? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . uxTV_Support

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ubuntuEdgy:

glad i can help for a change

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neopsyche:

what command do i use to start driver

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: people deserve punishment for using myspace anyways ;)

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Dagmar:

juski: That's Senator John McCain alright

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neopsyche:

instead of insmod

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juski:

neopsyche: sudo modprobe

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neopsyche:

oh yea thanks!

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Glaciality:

I'm not complaining about MySpace, my friend gave me Â£50 to make a layout for him.

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neopsyche:

;-)

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Dagmar:

juski: Who has, if I am not mistaken, just pissed the Internet Savvy vote away with extreme prejudice

[14:31:58]

neopsyche:

:-)

[14:32:32]

Dagmar:

I've already called two people and left messages, maybe the guy who works under Obama will be awake by now

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Dagmar:

There can and will be a shitstorm about this by the end of the day

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neopsyche:

Ok.. my tuner is showing blue?

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juski:

he's not seriously running for El presidente is he?!

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maja_123:

hi

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stuarta:

Dagmar: i'm still trying to work out what he actually did?

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Dagmar:

stuarta: He changed an image on his own website is what he did

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Glaciality:

Okay I'm building v4l-dvb

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stuarta:

and how does that tie in with the senator?

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juski:

stuarta: the image was linked to on said senator's blog AFAICT

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Dagmar:

stuarta: Not only linked to his server, but the template the guy had up was modified to remove credit

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stuarta:

so senator blogged with a link to a picture, and he changed the picture?

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juski:

appear to support him with a nice image, get the comment approved, then change the hotlinked image

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Dagmar:

So they not only stole his myspace template and took his name off it, they were even stealing his bandwidth by not bothering to change the image links

[14:36:24]

Dagmar:

No no no...

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Dagmar:

You know that block under people's picture that says "Send an IM Add to Friends" and so forth?

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juski:

yeh

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: wasn't that a different guy?

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Dagmar:

That was being hotlinked, and he replaced it with a bit of text saying McCain was coming out in support of lesbian gay marriage

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stuarta:

haha

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Glaciality:

Someone was hotlinking this guys images once

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Glaciality:

He changed them to goatse

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juski:

mmmm goatse (narf!)

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Dagmar:

THEN he went and posted with an image, and changed the image which was, after all, linked to his own servers

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Dagmar:

Here's the thing that started it http://mike.newsvine.com/_news/2007/03/26/633 . . . -john-mccain

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juski:

ahhh now I geddit

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juski:

I'm SO web 1.0

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Dagmar:

Two different people, but either way, no one broke into a damn thing

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Dagmar:

This is just "McCain's People Are Impossibly Stupid", Part II

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juski:

I hope to gawd he doesn't stand a cat in hell's chance

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Glaciality:

Hey guys

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Glaciality:

I'm trying to configure LIRC for my v2 MCE remote

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Glaciality:

But it's saying it's not configured

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juski:

has nobody heard of #lirc ? ;)

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Glaciality:

Even though I've added the MODULES and DEVICES

[14:44:55]

Glaciality:

It exists?

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juski:

lirc on ubuntu is fun on a stick, man I tells ya

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Glaciality:

There's two people in there :/

[14:45:17]

juski:

download the kernel source, the kernel headers & the lirc source

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fryfrog:

how can i trigger the backend to do a scheduling? i didn't bring that table over (on purpose) and so it needs to rebuild it :/

[14:45:41]

Glaciality:

I installed it via apt-get

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tank-man:

load the lirc module, if it is loaded, run lircd, if it is running, load your lircrc file, done

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juski:

build it yo'self – way easier than fiddling around with modutils

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juski:

fryfrog: you didn't bring the table over on purpose. and you wonder why stuff is messed up. sheesh

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gardengnome:

fryfrog: mythbackend --resched?

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fryfrog:

ah, just found that :)

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fryfrog:

oh, duh prolly needed to run mythfilldatabase :)

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fryfrog:

yup, tons of no data no wonder :)

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Glaciality:

Aha. got my remote running.

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Glaciality:

brb

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Glaciality:

Okay back again

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Glaciality:

I'm running MythTV now

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Glaciality:

And I can't get my card to be recogiczed

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Glaciality:

*recognized

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Glaciality:

Any ideas?

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Glaciality:

I've loaded the firmware for it etc

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stuarta:

first verify the card is working under linux, then move onto mythtv

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Glaciality:

Okay, so how do I do that?

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Glaciality:

dmesg reports something about vivi a few times when I load the firmware

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Glaciality:

Think I lost that for a sec there

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Glaciality:

Did anyone reply?

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DFG:

no

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tank-man:

what card?

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Glaciality:

GAIM keeps dropping out ;/

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Glaciality:

So how do I check if my card is working under linux?

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tank-man:

what card?

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Glaciality:

Nova-T 500 ME

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Glaciality:

*MCE

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tank-man:

i have no experience with that card, sorry

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Glaciality:

Anyone else?

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Glaciality:

The drivers seem to be installed fine, but MythTV doesn't seem to pick it up

[15:14:25]

fryfrog:

check dmesg

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fryfrog:

look for devices in /dev

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fryfrog:

is it v4l? dvb?

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Glaciality:

I don't know about the last question

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Glaciality:

What am I looking for in /dev?

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Glaciality:

video0?

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fryfrog:

sure

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Glaciality:

That's there.

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fryfrog:

what does dmesg say about the card?

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Glaciality:

[ 6159.143788] vivi: open called (minor=0)

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Glaciality:

[ 6159.143825] vivi: close called (minor=0, users=0)

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anykey_:

Glaciality: try the card outside of mythtv first!

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Glaciality:

That being spewed out with different numbers for the first two bits loads of times

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Glaciality:

I installed dvb-utils from apt

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fryfrog:

humm, do you need to run mythtv-setup on an FE only?

[15:16:20]

fryfrog:

my memory is fuzz :)

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fryfrog:

fuzzy

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Glaciality:

My FE and BE are on the same machine

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fryfrog:

i'm talking about me

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fryfrog:

not you

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Glaciality:

Oh sorry.

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anykey_:

Glaciality: as I said, the card needs to work outside of mythtv first, before it can be used with mythtv

[15:17:18]

Glaciality:

How do I check if it's working?

[15:17:33]

Glaciality:

I installed dvb-utils but I seem to be missing many of them like dvbscan :/

[15:18:09]

Glaciality:

Would a restart help?

[15:20:31]

Glaciality:

Installing vlc now

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Glaciality:

It seems to make a file that gets to 500mb within seconds :/

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anykey_:

hm then it's not mpeg

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anykey_:

or you're recording the whole transponder

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anykey_:

i don't know about dvb...

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Glaciality:

It's a dual tuner card as I said.

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Glaciality:

vlc didn't error, but didn't play either.

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Glaciality:

I don't.

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Glaciality:

Just video0

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neopsyche:

need to get popeye running on ubuntu..................................... in other words.. the tv signal from my xp lptop is playing into vhs.. that is running down normal tv coax to tv.. but now i plugged that into my tv card which has been configured with settings for linux.. i opened up tvtime but it just gives me a blue screen but there is definately a signnal on the card because when i plug it into tv set it shows the pictutre. can any

[15:22:56]

anykey_:

Glaciality: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . va-T_500_PCI <- follow that guide?

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Glaciality:

Already done everything in it anykey_

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tank-man:

then it should be working :) har har

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anykey_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Dvb-apps ?

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stuarta:

Glaciality: post the output of dmesg into a pastebin

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Glaciality:

Installed them via apt

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Glaciality:

Okay.

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Glaciality:

Output after I do what? Or all of it?

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anykey_:

after you have loaded the modules

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stuarta:

all of it is fine... http://pastebin.ca

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Glaciality:

Okay.

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Broxtor:

I'm trying to get a Hauppage PVR350 tv card to work in kubuntu edgy to use with mythtv, but it won't work. I've read that the module /lib/modules/<kernel-version>/ivtv/tuner.ko should be used, but instead /lib/modules/<kernel-version>/drivers/media/video/tuner.ko is used. Does anyone know how I can change that?

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Glaciality:

http://pastebin.ca/419694

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anykey_:

the driver doesn't match your kernel somehow... it complains about missing symbols

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Glaciality:

What can I do to fix it then?

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Dagmar:

Broxtor: do a `depmod -av | grep ivtv`. If you see more than one module with the same name appear, you nee to clean house

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speedsix:

Aft'noon all

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Dagmar:

Glaciality: Learn how to compile a kernel correctly for one thing

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Dagmar:

Glaciality: You're almost there... I'm going to go smoke after I type this so write it down, screenshot it, or whatever

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Dagmar:

1. Backup your kernel config which will be in /usr/src/linux/.config or more likely (and usefully) /proc/config.gz

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Dagmar:

2. In /usr/src/linux, type `make mrproper` to completely scrub the source tree of stale crap (which is what you missed before)

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Dagmar:

2. Copy the backed-up config back to /usr/src/linux/.config (or zcat /proc/config.gz > .config)

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Glaciality:

cp: cannot stat `/proc/config.gz': No such file or directory

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Dagmar:

3. Type `make all && rm -rf /lib/modules/(yer kernel rev)/ && make modules_install`

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Dagmar:

Okay so in the first menu or so in your kernel config YOU NEED SUPPORT FOR THAT ON

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stuarta:

Dagmar: /proc/config.gz is distro specific.

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Dagmar:

stuarta: No, it's not. It's part of the freaking kernel

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Dagmar:

Some people are apparently too stupid to ship with it on tho

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stuarta:

Glaciality: have you got the firmware installed

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Glaciality:

I believe so

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Glaciality:

The file is in /lib/firmware

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stuarta:

Dagmar: it's a configuration item which isn't neccessarily on

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Dagmar:

Anyway, once the make modules_install has completed, do whatever you normally do to install the new kernel and reboot. The problem should be gone

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Glaciality:

And I'm pretty sure I loaded it

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Dagmar:

stuarta: ...which is a stupid thing to leave off

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Dagmar:

stuarta: He's got a bunch of "saa7134_dvb: disagrees about version of symbol dvb_pll_tdhu2" type messages in there

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stuarta:

why, when the distro puts the same info in /boot/config-<kver>

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Dagmar:

Kind of a dead giveaway that the kernel was uncleanly built the last time

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Glaciality:

I didn't build it

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Dagmar:

stuarta: Because there's no guarantee that file has any more in common with the current configuration than /etc/mailcap does

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gardengnome:

lol

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Glaciality:

It's the default Ubuntu 7.04

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gardengnome:

i'd completely stop supporting ivtv and other generic linux stuff in here.

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Dagmar:

The /proc/config.gz file however, can not lie. It WILL be the current kernel's configuration, and it's kind of hard to make fatal mistakes from there

[15:33:33]

stuarta:

Glaciality: do an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade

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Glaciality:

Pretty sure I did that first thing, but I'll check

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Dagmar:

I guarantee you got those tainted modules from somewhere you shouldn't have then

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Broxtor:

Dagmar: thanks for the pointer, but I'm not sure what I'm looking at. Could you have a look at http://pastebin.ca/419701 please?

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stuarta:

it'll make sure you have the latest updates

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Dagmar:

The kernel does not build things that emit those kinds of messages without misbegotten help

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Glaciality:

Yeah, nothing to do stuarta. I did it before.

[15:34:58]

Glaciality:

I've got a message saying restart required

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Glaciality:

Do it?

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Dagmar:

Broxtor: The ivtv driver must be the _correct version_ and it must be built for the specific kernel _you are running_

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stuarta:

Glaciality: won't hurt

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Glaciality:

Okay, back in a few mins.

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Dagmar:

Broxtor: er... use "grep ivtv.ko" instead

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Broxtor:

Dagmar: I installed using the pointers from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_IVTV_Edgy

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speedsix:

anyone else have problems with seeking when using the internal player for MythVideo?

[15:36:28]

speedsix:

my mpeg4/DD avis show as 2secs length and won't seek

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Broxtor:

Dagmar: Doesn't really make the list shorter

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Dagmar:

Yes it did

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Dagmar:

find /lib/modules/2.6.17-11-generic -name "ivtv.ko"

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Dagmar:

You should see one and only one module name appear in the output

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Dagmar:

The other possibility is that you didn't bother to read the documentation on the very front of the IVTV website where you got the driver, and have compiled and installed the wrong version of ivtv

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Broxtor:

Dagmar: check

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Dagmar:

Or the docs you're reading apply to a version other than what you have

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Dagmar:

Frankly, I would use 2.6.20.4, ivtv 0.10.1 and be done with it

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Broxtor:

Dagmar: I can assure that I read a lot of documentation. In fact there's so much that it is hard to determine where to start

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Dagmar:

Broxtor: The place you start is the files that ship with the ivtv driver

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Dagmar:

...which tell you all you need to know.

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Dagmar:

If you don't read these and instead go looking at random web pages because they're prettier, you're just begging to look at stale documentation

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gardengnome:

frankly, i'd get the ubuntu stuff fixed ;)

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Dagmar:

Either way, I need a smoke now before I start stabbing people

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Dagmar:

back in a few

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Broxtor:

Dagmar: Ok, I will have a look at those. Thanks so far.

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Dagmar:

Too much crazy for me to take this morning

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Glaciality:

Okay, not good.

[15:54:12]

Glaciality:

I rebooted as it asked and now the system is going slow as molasses. Still booting up and I haven't even got to GNOME yet.

[15:54:23]

Glaciality:

Any ideas why stuarta?

[15:55:15]

Glaciality:

Is it that firmware I loaded?

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Dagmar:

Not likely

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Glaciality:

Shall I boot to recovery mode?

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Glaciality:

Well it's frozen, the timer thing has stopped.

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Dagmar:

It's more likely you left out support for your disk controller's specific chipset

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Glaciality:

I didn't recompile my kernel

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Glaciality:

It just asked me to reboot so I did

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Dagmar:

Then this sounds like an Ubuntu-problem

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Glaciality:

One sec, woud a shell be of any use to me?

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Dagmar:

...but until someone farking gets an EMP rifle and shoots that damn server, IRC is going to be pretty useless

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Glaciality:

Well I've got myself a shell now

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Dagmar:

Well, that's something at least

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Glaciality:

Should I delete that firmware file to make sure it's not that?

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Dagmar:

Glaciality: If you grep your kernel .config for IKCONFIG what do you see?

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Glaciality:

CONFIG_IKCONFIG is not set

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Dagmar:

Gods they're stupid

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Glaciality:

With a hash in front

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Glaciality:

Okay.

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Dagmar:

When that and CONFIG_IKCONFIG_PROC are both set to "y", you will have a /proc/config.gz which is the actual config file your currently running kernel is using

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Dagmar:

er used when it was built

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Dagmar:

This is useful because it eliminates all doubt as to what kernel config was used to build the kernel that is running

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Glaciality:

I don't need to recompie my kernel do I?

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stuarta:

debian and hence ubuntu always drop a copy of .config into /boot/config-<kver> so it's not a big problem

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Dagmar:

Unless ther'es newbies involved

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Glaciality:

Also, doing an upgrade put me forward a kernel version. Could this have caused it?

[16:02:45]

Glaciality:

I jumped from 2.6.20_12 to _13

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Dagmar:

That depends

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Dagmar:

did you build any kernel modules yourself?

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Glaciality:

LIRC ones.

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stuarta:

what's so different about greping that as opposed to grepping /proc/config.gz. a newbie won't have changed /boot/config...

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Dagmar:

I dont' even remember what the original problem was

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Dagmar:

stuarta: but a newbie may need to actually recompile their kernel for something, just like everyone else

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Dagmar:

...which makes an uncompressed file in /boot a waste of disk

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Glaciality:

Would booting to my old kernel help temporarily?

[16:04:18]

Dagmar:

Help what?

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Glaciality:

To fix this.

[16:04:29]

Dagmar:

To fix what?

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Dagmar:

A problem that can't be defined can't be fixed by anything but sheer luck

[16:05:01]

Glaciality:

Stopping my machine being so slow suddenly and getting my NovaT-500-MCE working

[16:05:21]

Glaciality:

Interestingly when I got a shell on reboot my NovaT-500 had been found.

[16:05:32]

Dagmar:

If it didn't work with their kernel before, it's not likely to magically start working now

[16:05:57]

Dagmar:

...but support for that one is new, so it might be that the difference was just that they turned on some extra modules

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Glaciality:

It seems to be the new kernel thats making it slow

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Glaciality:

The old one boots fine

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Glaciality:

Sounds good

[16:12:07]

Glaciality:

But the new kernel is still broken

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Glaciality:

AHa!

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Glaciality:

MythTV has found my dual tuner.

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Glaciality:

Still on this old kernel though :/

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neopsyche:

:)

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Glaciality:

Okay

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Glaciality:

Channels have scanned and I've got Myth running fine

[16:24:48]

Glaciality:

But the new kernel still buggers up

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juski:

zomg! http://www.google.com/tisp/

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Torg:

juski that won't work in the UK

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tank-man:

welcome to april 1st?

[16:33:06]

juski:

I really did laugh out loud at that. nice one google

[16:33:27]

RaYmAn-Bx:

http://mail.google.com/mail/help/paper/ as well =P

[16:34:27]

juski:

also good, but not as funny as the mental image of some noob flushing fibre down his toilet

[16:34:39]

RaYmAn-Bx:

true

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Torg:

look at the diagram of how it works :)

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Torg:

I think google is hiring

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Glaciality:

Does anyone know why then?

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Glaciality:

If not, how can I get rid of the new kernel?

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tank-man:

depends on what bootloader you are using

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tank-man:

are you using lilo?

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Glaciality:

grub

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Torg:

keep the old kernel or not, just point grub at the old one

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Torg:

presuming of course you didnt overwrite the kernel using generic kernel names

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stuarta:

Glaciality: just use dpkg to remove it

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Glaciality:

How?

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Torg:

apt-get remove <package>

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Dagmar:

lol

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juski:

"Google TiSP ensures reliable throughput through the power of fiber, which has been proven through extensive research to effectively facilitate consistent data flow with minimal latency."

[16:38:00]

Glaciality:

Intresting

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Torg:

Note: For your own physical safety and emotional well-being and in consideration of the nanobots' working conditions, please make absolutely certain that your toilet is unoccupied at the scheduled appointment time.

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Torg:

I wont remove your current kernel tho

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Torg:

chances are you dont have the old one still on the box

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Glaciality:

I get a better picture with this card on MythTV than I did with MCE, even though the card is designed to work with MCE.

[16:38:39]

Glaciality:

I'm booted into the old one currently.

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Glaciality:

Grub gives me 5 options.

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Glaciality:

memtest

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Glaciality:

and two for each kernel

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Glaciality:

Normal and recovery.

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juski:

Glaciality: the picture quality has everything to do with the software decoding the stream and nothing to do with the drivers

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Torg:

then leave it be and set the default to boot to which one you wnat

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Glaciality:

Ah.

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stuarta:

Glaciality: once you remove the kernel you don't want the grub configuration will be automatically updated

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Glaciality:

Uhm, how do I get back to the main menu while watching tv?

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juski:

and why in the world did you not test the original kernel before upgrading? I was gonna say something but thought nah he'll know

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Torg:

escape

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Glaciality:

It's not working :/

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Glaciality:

Not responding :/

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juski:

you said it was working in the old kernel

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Glaciality:

Force quit, k.

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juski:

arghh this build has been going on for over 15 hours now

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Glaciality:

Hmm

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juski:

I'm not gonna quit. not yet

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gardengnome:

juski: you need a faster bo ;)

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Glaciality:

I'm trying to use my MCE remote

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gardengnome:

box*

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Glaciality:

And in the little test program it works

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Glaciality:

But it doesn't work in anything else

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Glaciality:

Any ideas?

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juski:

gardengnome: really? I hadn't realised

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juski:

Glaciality: little test program? you mean irw ?

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Glaciality:

Yeah

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Dagmar:

You need to test with the OTHER program, too

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Glaciality:

Which is?

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gardengnome:

juski: ;)

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juski:

Glaciality: ok. will you just STOP and take some time to read the docs?

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Glaciality:

I read them yesterday

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juski:

ok. so where do you put the lircrc file?

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Glaciality:

/home/mythtv/.lircrc

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gardengnome:

heh

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juski:

and where else?

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Dagmar:

Glaciality: `ircat --config=~/.mythtv/lircrc mythtv`

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Glaciality:

I symlinked it to mythtvs folder

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Dagmar:

What that will do is show you what symbols are emitted by liblirc_client.so, if the invoking program's name is "mythtv"

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Dagmar:

Glaciality: You symlinked what to what?

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Dagmar:

LIRC needs *TWO* configuration files

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Glaciality:

hardware.conf and that one

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Dagmar:

hardware.conf?

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tank-man:

load the lirc module, if it is loaded, run lircd, if it is running, load your lircrc file, done

[16:51:14]

Torg:

harware.conf?

[16:51:14]

Glaciality:

Yeah, for MODULES and DEVICE.

[16:51:21]

Torg:

you need a lircd.conf

[16:51:27]

juski:

Glaciality: well, the button names in .lircrc and in lircrc need to match the button names in lircd.conf or it won't work

[16:51:27]

Dagmar:

If that's what I think it is it _should_ be named /etc/lircd.conf

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Torg:

goes in /etc somtimes /etc/lirc depends on packaging

[16:51:38]

juski:

irw should not have worked in there was no lircd.conf

[16:51:39]

tank-man:

which step are you stuck at?

[16:51:49]

juski:

tank-man: shhh I'm not done yelling

[16:52:04]

Dagmar:

juski: No, irw doesn't use lircd

[16:52:10]

Dagmar:

Take a breath man

[16:52:10]

Torg:

juski irw will still see signals, wont call them anything but it can still see them

[16:52:13]

Glaciality:

lircd.conf

[16:52:21]

Glaciality:

irw works fine

[16:52:25]

Dagmar:

irw is not much more than a fancy version of cat with some scruples

[16:52:30]

juski:

then how in hell's name does irw know what the button names are to report?

[16:52:34]

Glaciality:

Says what buttom I'm pressing

[16:52:35]

Dagmar:

i.e., irw won't "flash" your terminal

[16:52:40]

Torg:

via lircd.conf silly :P

[16:52:41]

Dagmar:

irw doesn't.

[16:52:54]

juski:

irw DOES

[16:52:54]

tank-man:

maybe you are thinking of "mode2" ?

[16:52:57]

Dagmar:

All it spits out is numbers iirc

[16:53:01]

Torg:

it it knows it , it will tell you. If it dosnt it wont tell you what its called, just put out some hex code

[16:53:02]

juski:

mode2 is the one that doesn't

[16:53:21]

Dagmar:

Bugger

[16:53:30]

Dagmar:

Okay now *I'm* even confused and I know this shit

[16:53:37]

** Dagmar shakes his head **

[16:53:37]

juski:

Dagmar: have a rest.. you've been at this all day :)

[16:53:47]

Dagmar:

Oh I have many miles to go before I sleep, too

[16:53:57]

Dagmar:

I just did ANOTHER dbus binary package

[16:54:05]

Dagmar:

Turns out that dbus-uuidgen is somewhat important now

[16:54:10]

gardengnome:

irw does actually spit out the button names

[16:54:16]

Glaciality:

Okay so hat do I do?

[16:54:19]

juski:

why are we all here anyway? out of boredom or just some overgrown sense of needing to do good in the world? ;)

[16:54:20]

Glaciality:

*what

[16:54:31]

Dagmar:

Glaciality: Maybe read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC and that way you can ignore us when we're freaking out. Heh

[16:54:41]

juski:

Glaciality: well, make sure the button names in lircrc bear a resemblance to those in lircd.conf

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Dagmar:

juski: I think we're hoping like hell some of the people we teach will get really good at stuff so there will be people for US to ask stupid questions of later

[16:55:05]

juski:

oh and make sure the mythtv lircrc file has prog = mythtv lines, not prog = irexec or something arse

[16:55:17]

juski:

Dagmar: hahaha.

[16:55:21]

Torg:

Glaciality in your lircrc file where shooul be a bucnh of entries with prog = mythtv

[16:55:36]

Torg:

each section has a button = and a repeat and config =

[16:55:37]

Dagmar:

I've told the local LUG a few times that when I put a question to the mailing list, I'm basically just crying into my tea, I don't expect them to be able to answer it

[16:55:54]

Torg:

those button = must match to what lircd.conf has and irw reports to you

[16:55:56]

juski:

that was the way on the mythtvtalk forums

[16:56:04]

Torg:

if you chnge the config you have to restart the frotntend

[16:56:08]

juski:

everybody was like "ANSWER ME NOW!" yet when I had issues.. jees

[16:56:12]

Dagmar:

Glaciality: I added purty pictures to it yesterday

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gardengnome:

juski: yep.

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Glaciality:

eah I have the prog = mythtv stuff

[16:56:42]

Glaciality:

*Yeah

[16:56:53]

Glaciality:

Noticed Dagmar, very nice.

[16:57:44]

juski:

btw gardengnome how are the forums?

[16:58:07]

Glaciality:

Okay I cocked something up

[16:58:10]

Glaciality:

irw does nothing now

[16:58:49]

gardengnome:

juski: fine i suppose

[16:59:06]

juski:

no longer overrun by ubunut users with db issues?

[16:59:38]

gardengnome:

not in the german part

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[17:00:03]

Glaciality:

Can someone help me get this working please before I cause more damage than good? :D

[17:01:02]

tank-man:

Glaciality, are you installing from source or a package?

[17:01:14]

Glaciality:

package

[17:01:25]

Dagmar:

Glaciality: At least read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC so you stand a chance of understanding how it works. At least look in teh middle where the pictures are

[17:01:25]

akifdino:

mythtv doesn't list watched programms in the available section in mythtv anymore, what could be wrong here?

[17:01:43]

Dagmar:

Glaciality: LIRC is actually pretty straightforward, but there are a lot of moving parts that make it tricky

[17:02:40]

tank-man:

Glaciality, which howto/guide/README/DOC are you using to install LIRC

[17:02:41]

tank-man:

?

[17:03:09]

Glaciality:

was

[17:03:13]

Glaciality:

I was using the one on the docs

[17:04:28]

Glaciality:

No, the one on mythtv.org

[17:04:34]

Glaciality:

Oh crap

[17:04:50]

Glaciality:

I think I overwrote my /etc/lirc/lircd.conf with my .lircdrc

[17:05:30]

tank-man:

you can do that

[17:05:39]

tank-man:

use irrecord to make a lircd.conf file i think

[17:05:57]

Glaciality:

I was using the MCE remote config file

[17:06:05]

Glaciality:

Because it's all premade and saves me a job.

[17:06:39]

Torg:

yes Glaciality irrecord is a pain, if there is a remote config for your remote already defeind, use it

[17:07:27]

tank-man:

irrecord is not a pain, it is pretty straight forward

[17:07:44]

Glaciality:

Okay I've got irw working again

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Torg:

I meant its a pain as to lable easch and every button on the remote

[17:08:26]

Bernardo:

hi

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tank-man:

if you are lazy

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Torg:

esp if you have a non standard remote with certain buttons that do not exacly match the protocal of ther others

[17:08:44]

tank-man:

howdy

[17:08:47]

akifdino:

is anyone using a hd44780 controlled lcd here?

[17:08:54]

Torg:

I have had irrecord lock up on me, timeout, then have to cat two or more conf files together

[17:09:16]

Torg:

it could be a bit more user friendly

[17:09:19]

Glaciality:

Aha

[17:09:22]

Glaciality:

Got it to work

[17:09:39]

Bernardo:

I'm trying to add hybrid support for my tt2300-C, as per http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2617, but I need a little help

[17:09:47]

Glaciality:

How can I install themes and plugins now?

[17:10:21]

Bernardo:

1 – where do I get the DVB name for the card (dmesg?)

[17:11:04]

tank-man:

probably put your themes in /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/

[17:11:12]

tank-man:

do you have a theme you want to install?

[17:11:48]

juski:

wget http://www.mythtvtalk.com/juski/tarballs/anytheme.tar.bz2&nbs p;:-P

[17:12:24]

Glaciality:

Where do I put it though?

[17:12:37]

juski:

/usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/

[17:12:46]

Glaciality:

Okay, what about plugins?

[17:12:47]

Glaciality:

Same?

[17:13:00]

juski:

sudo apt-get install mythvideo mythmusic mythweb ...

[17:13:16]

Torg:

you should do the plugins via the same method you did the software, they are matched

[17:13:39]

Torg:

if you used dpkg to get myth use it to get the plugins, if you compiled myth compile the plugins

[17:14:19]

tank-man:

i just said, look 4 lines up

[17:15:09]

Glaciality:

Also, if I'm on the guide and I select another channel

[17:15:12]

Glaciality:

How do I switch to it?

[17:15:22]

Torg:

enter

[17:15:25]

Torg:

ok

[17:15:39]

Glaciality:

Doesn't seem to work

[17:15:45]

tank-man:

press 'x' ?

[17:16:05]

tank-man:

keys.txt tells you all the keys

[17:16:30]

juski:

the manual tells you all the keys

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juski:

and I'm done giving out info that's already well documented

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EnderTheThird:

Don't suppose anyone in here has Insight Cable in Indiana, do they?

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EnderTheThird:

ubuntuEdgy: we meet again

[17:44:02]

fryfrog:

Does the "Collation" of a db matter? All mine are set to latin1_swedish :/

[17:44:19]

juski:

no idea. never heard of it

[17:44:26]

ubuntuEdgy:

ohh help

[17:44:44]

ubuntuEdgy:

still having no luck with wake on lan

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: BIOS settings!

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juski:

oh wait – you're using a LAN card aren't you?

[17:45:16]

juski:

you need a WoL header cable for that to work

[17:45:25]

ubuntuEdgy:

juski: i have enabled it ,i have set wakeon lan and on ring ?

[17:45:43]

juski:

you said the NIC is powered down when the pc is 'off' though

[17:45:50]

juski:

so you need a wakeonlan header cable

[17:45:51]

ubuntuEdgy:

juski:thats the problem i think the cable is in the wrong place

[17:46:10]

juski:

is the PSU an ATX one?

[17:46:24]

ubuntuEdgy:

when the system is off the cards green light dose not stay on?

[17:46:43]

ubuntuEdgy:

its a very old emachines 330

[17:46:44]

juski:

it should certainly stay on

[17:46:53]

juski:

is the PSU an ATX one?

[17:47:09]

ubuntuEdgy:

i dont know it should be

[17:47:13]

juski:

does it do soft-on & off? power switch connected to the motherboard?

[17:47:15]

ubuntuEdgy:

ill try and check

[17:47:42]

juski:

when you shut the machine down does it power off by itself?

[17:47:49]

ubuntuEdgy:

it has a button connected to the mother board yes, if you hold it for long it turns off

[17:47:55]

juski:

ok

[17:48:01]

juski:

so it has an ATX PSU then

[17:48:05]

ubuntuEdgy:

yes it dose ,sudo shutdown -h now

[17:48:13]

juski:

when people say old it's hard to tell what they mean by 'old'

[17:48:21]

juski:

10 years, 20 years... ;)

[17:48:26]

Torg:

what does ethtool say?

[17:48:28]

ubuntuEdgy:

3 years

[17:48:34]

** juski laughs **

[17:48:37]

juski:

3 years isn't old

[17:48:50]

ubuntuEdgy:

its very , in my books any way

[17:48:58]

ubuntuEdgy:

:O

[17:49:04]

juski:

my backend is older than that :)

[17:49:22]

EnderTheThird:

my computer's going on 3 years. it feels ancient, heh

[17:49:29]

ubuntuEdgy:

i cant wait to bin this crap

[17:49:42]

EnderTheThird:

i'm the lonely 32-bit kid stuck outside in the rain during the 64-bit dual core party

[17:50:11]

fryfrog:

I think my master backend is at least 3 years od

[17:50:12]

juski:

.. when the reality is that 64bits doesn't bring much in terms of performance boost yet

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fryfrog:

dual p4 2.4ghz

[17:50:25]

fryfrog:

yeah, but dual *core* is awesome :)

[17:50:31]

ubuntuEdgy:

is wakeonlan the same as "ring"

[17:50:37]

Torg:

64 bit SHOULDNT bost performance

[17:50:38]

EnderTheThird:

yeah, but at least it's out of the rain :)

[17:50:38]

juski:

ubuntuEdgy: nope

[17:50:44]

fryfrog:

i think "ring" is a term from "telephone" days with "modems"

[17:50:48]

fryfrog:

what ever those are

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juski:

there are 3 wires on a WoL header

[17:51:06]

EnderTheThird:

"modem" damn you europeans and your crazy languages!

[17:51:07]

fryfrog:

64bit doesn't, except that it allows lots of ram which *could* boost performance

[17:51:09]

Torg:

ubuntuEdgy what does ethtool tell you its set to?

[17:51:10]

juski:

one power, one ground & a 'wake' signal

[17:51:26]

fryfrog:

but... i doubt any of us here could afford enough ram to make 64bit worth it :)

[17:51:27]

ubuntuEdgy:

ok , so i need wake on lan , but i dont work mabe i should plug the eth cable on ring ?

[17:51:53]

fryfrog:

at the very least, maybe you'll have an excuse for a new motherboard :)

[17:52:01]

juski:

ubuntuEdgy: is WoL/ring enabled in the BIOS?

[17:52:06]

ubuntuEdgy:

Torg: im booting the backend , i will then ssh and then let you know bud

[17:52:14]

Torg:

fryfrog? its more then 4G not that expensive

[17:52:41]

EnderTheThird:

Torg: We're too busy shelling out for extra tuners and frontends though

[17:52:44]

ubuntuEdgy:

juski:yes you want me to take sceen shots with my phone for you ?

[17:52:48]

fryfrog:

Torg: I could swear that before 64bit they could still get around the 4G limit, but mostly on higher end motherboards

[17:52:50]

juski:

heh no

[17:52:54]

fryfrog:

no idea how

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ubuntuEdgy:

its a sony eriscsson p900

[17:52:57]

Torg:

2^32 = 4.2 billion

[17:53:03]

Torg:

so just about 4G of ram

[17:53:04]

ubuntuEdgy:

:)

[17:53:12]

fryfrog:

but i'm pretty sure some of the 32bit intel server's i've worked on could have more than 4G

[17:53:33]

juski:

so wtf is all the fuss about with 64-bits – most mortals won't have 4GB of ram

[17:53:33]

Torg:

not unless you have some funny page flipping or something

[17:53:37]

Torg:

the cpu can not address it

[17:53:48]

gbee:

Torg: 64bit maybe shouldn't boost performance (well that's the myth) but the reality is that it does

[17:53:59]

Torg:

marketing, marketing and gee 64 is bigger then 32 so it must be better

[17:54:15]

EnderTheThird:

well i thought 64-bit also allowed more work to be done per cycle. fewer cycles = more work at lower clock speed = less power consumption

[17:54:18]

EnderTheThird:

?

[17:54:30]

Torg:

yes IF you use a RISC 64 bit processor

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juski:

that's what I originally thought too

[17:54:52]

Torg:

not if you have a CISC kitchen sink, shim in the 32 bit code, and put a few long register exenstions on the CPU

[17:55:03]

juski:

and if the pipelines are wider.. then of course stuff will be faster

[17:55:12]

juski:

ah

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juski:

hence the 'hardly worth it' boost ;)

[17:55:31]

EnderTheThird:

Maybe we should all just watch Hackers so we feel better about our current PCs

[17:55:36]

EnderTheThird:

Oh nevermind, nothing is worth that damned movie

[17:55:51]

ubuntuEdgy:

Torg: i@media-server:~$ ethtool

[17:55:51]

ubuntuEdgy:

ethtool: bad command line argument(s)

[17:55:53]

fryfrog:

Hackers rules!

[17:55:56]

fryfrog:

so realistic!

[17:56:00]

juski:

maybe we should all call ourselves Neo-something-or-other & be 1337!

[17:56:10]

Torg:

and yes fryfrog what you rember or maybe even use are pentium pro's they page flip ram to more then 4G

[17:56:13]

EnderTheThird:

Or Ender something.... ah damn

[17:57:02]

Torg:

ubuntuEdgy try ethtool eth0

[17:57:08]

Torg:

or whatever your interface is called

[17:57:11]

fryfrog:

ah, prolly xeons then that can do it

[17:57:23]

juski:

EnderTheThird: could be worse. you're not east_ender ;)

[17:58:05]

EnderTheThird:

juski: never!

[17:58:57]

** juski wonders if BBC America still show Eastenders **

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ubuntuEdgy:

Torg: http://pastebin.ca/419848

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Torg:

ubuntuEdgy your intercae is set to wake only on magic packet

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Torg:

how were you testing to see if it works?

[18:00:13]

ubuntuEdgy:

wakeonlan "adress

[18:00:21]

Torg:

mac address?

[18:00:23]

juski:

not IP address

[18:00:34]

ubuntuEdgy:

wakeonlan 00:10:A7:09:2F:31

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juski:

that should work

[18:00:52]

Torg:

does ifconfig confirm that is the address?

[18:00:57]

ubuntuEdgy:

yep

[18:01:04]

Torg:

then it should work fine

[18:01:09]

ubuntuEdgy:

ifconfig

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ubuntuEdgy:

eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:10:A7:09:2F:31

[18:01:12]

juski:

but if the card isn't even powered on when your box is in standby you don't have a hope in hell

[18:01:20]

Torg:

is this a built in ethernet device or a card?

[18:01:42]

ubuntuEdgy:

but should it be totally of or just in stand by

[18:01:51]

Torg:

in stnad by

[18:01:52]

juski:

just standby

[18:02:02]

Torg:

it wont start on lan , just wake on lan

[18:02:09]

ubuntuEdgy:

wired thing is i can wol my other pc i dont have to worry about all this its a nfore4

[18:02:10]

juski:

which is the 'off' position you get it into with halt or the power button on the front

[18:03:16]

ubuntuEdgy:

opps its just turned off on me , must be the backend ,not doing any thing.

[18:03:25]

** juski does some sums.. 1.30am until 7pm... 18 hours... sheesh **

[18:03:42]

juski:

17.5 hours even :-O

[18:03:44]

EnderTheThird:

why is it that i never have any food in my house when i'm spending the day working on the computer?

[18:04:14]

Dagmar:

cuz you already ate it?

[18:05:03]

EnderTheThird:

perhaps. i know i didn't eat anything after breakfast yesterday, so i didn't eat it then

[18:05:24]

EnderTheThird:

one of life's mysteries i guess

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ubuntuEdgy:

there's this one commad i want to investigate further its ethtool -s eth0 wol g any one know what it dose ,

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ubuntuEdgy:

"ethtool -s eth0 wol g"

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Torg:

sets your interface to wake on magic packet

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Torg:

it already is tho

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Torg:

-s is set

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Torg:

can can use "ethtool -s eth1 wol p" to test it

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Torg:

that should wake on anything physical, like a ping

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Torg:

sorry like when you plug in the cable

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Torg:

set it to wol p, make it sleep, unplug the ethernet, plug it back in

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Torg:

it should wake up

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EnderTheThird:

Hmmm, Channels aren't updating with mythfilldatabase....

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EnderTheThird:

I had this working yesterday :-/

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planktonboy:

hi all

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planktonboy:

hi Torg

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Torg:

hey

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ubuntuEdgy:

now i know where i should be connecting the cable, i used jumper to "short it", and the computer did boot up,

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** juski goes to read a book **

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ubuntuEdgy:

mabe my apthernet card should be at the top ? its currectly at the botton

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ubuntuEdgy:

bottom*

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ubuntuEdgy:

:(

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** ubuntuEdgy goes to experiment **

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planktonboy:

does anyone have the channel for mythtv developers I cant remember it but think it was #mythtv-dev or something

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Dagmar:

It's just plain #MythTV as far as I know

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planktonboy:

ok thanks..I'll try that

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planktonboy:

yup

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planktonboy:

that worked

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planktonboy:

cheers Dagmar

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EnderTheThird:

Anyone else feel like they got completely tooled when they realized that their tuner card wouldn't work with their digital cable like they thought?

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gardengnome:

EnderTheThird: yes.

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EnderTheThird:

Heh. But on the other hand, if I spend $60 on an indoor antenna, I'll make back the $250 on my tuners by not spending $65/mo on cable for the next 4–5 months

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EnderTheThird:

I'll only need Bit Torrent for Sci-Fi and Comedy Central

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gardengnome:

baaaaaad word.

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EnderTheThird:

BT?

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EnderTheThird:

apologies

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Torg:

BT is used for downloading iso images of Debian

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EnderTheThird:

Torg: agreed

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GreyFoxx:

bittorrent is not bad, discussing using it to aquire non publically released videos is

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EnderTheThird:

Got ya. Many an apology to all.

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EnderTheThird:

BT is also for when every server is hosed when a new distro version is released

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planktonboy:

I was just wondering if there is any new info on implementing libvisual into mythmusic plugin. Basically I have been sesarching for some info on how to get projectM visualisation into mythmusic and only found 1 related link which seems to be a patch to incorporate this, but it seems a bit complicated for me to do and not sure how it would affect my mythtv setup which I installed via ubuntu apt-get package

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GreyFoxx:

plant: other than that patch/ticket in trac I don;t believe there is any thing else

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planktonboy:

the link with patches is http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2307#comment:2

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GreyFoxx:

I know, I saw it when it first when into trac :)

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planktonboy:

ah hi Greyfoxx

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planktonboy:

thanks

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planktonboy:

yeah I really would love to have that working

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GreyFoxx:

then start patching :)

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planktonboy:

yup..thats the hard part :)

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Torg:

hard?

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planktonboy:

Torg...I'm still a newbie

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GreyFoxx:

Though it's for SVN as of 2 months ago, not 0.20-*

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Dagmar:

Then start reading.

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GreyFoxx:

so I don';t know if it would apply to current SVN or 0.20-fixes or not

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Dagmar:

C++ isn't like Haskell or something

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Torg:

libvisualplugin-0.3.tgz (3.8 kB) – added by mythtv@… 2 months ago.

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Torg:

Patch refresh against head revision 12786

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planktonboy:

yup...been reading loads...but only understand some

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Dagmar:

It's not nearly as hard to work with as it would at first appear

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Torg:

planktonboy go read up on how to use svn and compile a version of the code 12786 or greater

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Torg:

current code is way past that do a plain checkout should work

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planktonboy:

when you say patch refresh against hed revision ***, does that mean I would have to apply all the previous patches

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Dagmar:

...or you can always stalk gbee

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Torg:

what tuner cards do you have?

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planktonboy:

Torg..yes that wuld be the best way I guess

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Torg:

no it means it was added as of rev 12786

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planktonboy:

I have Hauppauge Nova-T

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GreyFoxx:

There is a lot of mythmusic rewriting going on right now, so it might be more likely now :) Or it might have to wait til they are done as most of the work is on faster scanning and such I believe

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planktonboy:

Torg, oh ok

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Torg:

go read http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3031

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Torg:

then decide if you rather have stable recordings or pretty pictures for your music

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Dagmar:

PURTY PITCHERZ!

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planktonboy:

yes thats the thing...My setup works really well all things considered, and I use it all the time now

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Torg:

function or form?

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planktonboy:

so I was a bit worried about messing it all up....but then I might try it when have done a backup and have a day to mess around with it

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Torg:

well if it ain't broke.....

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planktonboy:

yes

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planktonboy:

thats what I want to make sure :(

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planktonboy:

I mean :)

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Dagmar:

If it ain't broke, we can fix it

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planktonboy:

LOL

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planktonboy:

for sure dude

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Dagmar:

Bring out the Gentooers!@#

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** kormoc stretches **

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kormoc:

you called?

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planktonboy:

you guys have helped me so much since I first set this up

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Dagmar:

heh

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planktonboy:

Torg re updating my setup which is on ubuntu using the mythtv packages...that is something I was wondering..if its safe to update using svn

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Torg:

#define safe

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kormoc:

well, I doubt it will cause the earth to explode...

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Torg:

mostly svn code allows you to fix bugs by uncovering even more bugs :)

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planktonboy:

well..I mean if I was to compile from svn, then I guess it would just overwrite the ubuntu packaged version

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kormoc:

you would need to remove the packaged version first

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Torg:

you would uninstal the package and then compile it

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planktonboy:

ok

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Dibblah:

For Myth, SVN is mostly stable.

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Torg:

I personaly use checkinstall to create my own pages implictly so I can uninstall it

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Dagmar:

Euw

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Dagmar:

What is it that people have against DESTDIR?

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Dibblah:

There is an issue currently with DVB / ATSC for some people.

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planktonboy:

what I might to is build a new machine sometime soon and try installing using the svn source

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Torg:

yes Dibblah to be fair most of the later bugs I uncoverd are reltivly minor compared to what I fix, the sole expection being the PMT issue

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Dibblah:

Yeah, I know about the PMT issue. Both of them.

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kormoc:

I need to update my myth to see if the one bug I'm seeing is still there or not...

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Dagmar:

planktonboy: You want 0.20-fixes, not HEAD

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Dibblah:

The RL one and the Myth one ;)

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planktonboy:

Dagmar...ok thanks mate...I'll look into that

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Dibblah:

Technically, nonone wants 0.20 gold.

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Torg:

naa what I would like is a svn update that takes into account my already done patchd code

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Dibblah:

quilt.

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Torg:

of course I could create my own diffs and reapply them after every update with hopes that fuzz takes care of it :P

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Dibblah:

Oooor... Submit your patches ;)

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Torg:

im sure ppl what my "shut the hell up and commet out logging features" patch :)

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Dibblah:

What's wrong with -v none?

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Torg:

or the "lets play with resets and see if it fixes PMT" patch

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Torg:

becase some of the stuff I *DO* want to see

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Torg:

I coudl care less if it found yet antoher EIT channel

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Torg:

ill see it in the damn guide

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Dibblah:

resetting what? the diseqc bus?

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kormoc:

Well, typically svn is semi smart bout updating, and if it gets confused it does leave it alone for you to fix...

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** kormoc shrugs **

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Torg:

no Dibblah restting my ATSC card

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Dibblah:

Oh. Ick.

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Torg:

my current therry is I loose PMT after it tunes in a few channels

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Torg:

so I reset it before every recording

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Torg:

it *seems* to work, but since I can not accuratly recreate the event I dont know for sure

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Torg:

were they dvb-s cards instead of atsc cards I would reset the disecq too, but afaik there is no disec on my antenna :)

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Dibblah:

dvbloopback should be technically able to read from a file, but that'd need some reengineering.

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planktonboy:

thanks chaps for your comments. I will have a read and see if I can try and undertand more before attempting any patching

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planktonboy:

oh well...got to go out now...off to the pub for a few beers, and then will get back to this reading later on :)

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planktonboy:

so thanks again and cya chaps later

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Dagmar:

Probably, be we've already been over this

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kormoc:

achew22, you're not gonna get a different answer today

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Dagmar:

Spend some money or wait for Slashdot to cover it

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Dagmar:

Just don't buy any framegrabber cards

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achew22:

kormoc, I didn't get the answer

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achew22:

I went to bed before the answer was issued and my log doesn't go back far enough to find it

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Dagmar:

That's odd, I was pretty sure you responded with dissatisfaction to me saying it wasn't ported and wasn't terribly likely to be

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kormoc:

he's just forgetful due to sleepyness

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Dagmar:

I tend to trust that they'll get the uPnP stuff working well, and that would be the better mechanism for use with it

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Dagmar:

It's only got like a 40Gb drive in it anyway

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achew22:

Dagmar, no I went to bed after there was no response for 20min

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Dagmar:

Well, when you ask tomorrow the answer will still likely be the same

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achew22:

Dagmar, but I can't see the response.... I was sleeping

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Torg:

-MythLogBot- This channel (#mythtv-users) is logged — http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1

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Como|Lappy:

has anyone installed itvt on a /new/ kernel lately?

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Como|Lappy:

i tried yesterday, and the docs told me to build in something for my pvr350

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Como|Lappy:

and its not in the kernel

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Como|Lappy:

:-

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sandeen_:

Como|Lappy, what something is that

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Como|Lappy:

BT848 Video For Linux (CONFIG_VIDEO_BT848)

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Como|Lappy:

theres an 878 replacement (iirc, the box isnt on atm)

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Como|Lappy:

but no mention of 848

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sandeen_:

now new is new? 2.4.20 has that option

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sandeen_:

s/now/how/

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Como|Lappy:

this kernel was the latest as of last week, but a buddy of mine has one from a few months back and he cant find it iether

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Como|Lappy:

i have v2.6.20.4

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sandeen_:

grep VIDEO_BT848 drivers/media/video/bt8xx/Kconfig ?

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Como|Lappy:

i checked /usr/src/linux's .config for it, let me boot up and check that one

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ffeingol:

If anyone can help, I'm having a little issue with MythTV. Live tv works great, ripping DVD's work great but if I record TV it does not show up in Medial library / watch recordings. I can see that the files get created, but they don't show in myth.

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Como|Lappy:

yeah, its there

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Como|Lappy:

where would that put it in menuconfig, then?

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sandeen_:

depends on VIDEO_DEV && PCI && I2C && VIDEO_V4L1

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Dagmar:

ffeingol: THe LiveTV category is filtered out by default (for semi-obvious reasons)

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sandeen_:

so you have to turn all that on, Como|Lappy

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Dagmar:

You can hit / in menuconfig and enter the name of the token you're looking for and it will tell you where to find it

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Dagmar:

Thank god.

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sandeen_:

oh, neat :)

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Como|Lappy:

holy CRAP

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** Como|Lappy hugs Dagmar **

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ffeingol:

Dagmar: it's the recorded stuff that is not showing up

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Dagmar:

Yeah I was like "Why the F*** wasn't this in the changelog for 2.6 right at the @#$@#$ top!?!?"

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Dagmar:

I didn't find out about it until just last month

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sandeen_:

is xine considered the best dvd playback for myth, still...?

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Dagmar:

ffeingol: Make sure you don't have the filters set to exclude it

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ffeingol:

ko. I'll try to go check

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Como|Lappy:

ok, what do you bean my PCI, sandeen?

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kormoc:

sandeen, I use internal personally

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kormoc:

Dagmar, heh, I found it by accident, too use to vim :P

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sandeen_:

Como|Lappy, I mean CONFIG_PCI has to be turned on but odds are you have that :)

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Como|Lappy:

i would hope so

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sandeen_:

kormoc, hm, I figured xine was all swanky with it's post-processing etc... :)

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sandeen_:

kormoc, do you happen to use AC3/digital passthrough w/ the internal player?

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kormoc:

sandeen, I do not, sorry

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sandeen_:

k. I get some weird stuff w/ the internal player that way, dunno if it's the player or my setup; my receiver seems to have a hard time finding the right signal or something, eventuallly it smooths out

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Torg:

its the alsa setup

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Dagmar:

Como|Lappy: LIke I've said to people about a billion times, life is easier if you just basically turn on everything under v4l as modules

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sandeen_:

Torg, have you seen such a thing?

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Dagmar:

Hell, I'm compiling the Trance Vibrator driver

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Torg:

what passthough ac3 to my sound, I do it all the time

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Torg:

thats and dts but I use my myth box to watch dvds less and less these days

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Como|Lappy:

i still cant find bt848

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sandeen_:

Torg, you use the internal player too?

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Torg:

yes

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sandeen_:

Como|Lappy, is CONFIG_V4L1 turned on, and CONFIG_I2C, and CONFIG_VIDEO_DEV

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sandeen_:

Torg, hmm

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Dagmar:

Just turn on everything under there, except the screwy bit that's new in 2.6.20.x that is supposed to "autodetect" appropriate things

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Dagmar:

That one goes wrong badly

[19:57:02]

Dagmar:

...it will generally hide the stuff you want

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sandeen_:

Torg, I get weird hiccups on digital tv when switching to ads or starting up playback, ditto for dvd. but then it all seems to work fine

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** sandeen_ wonders if something could be set wrong w/ alsa.. **

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ffeingol:

Dagmar: TY the filter got switched to live tv (by oops) so now they are showing. Now the next problem :-)

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Como|Lappy:

i remember adding I2C, and i added video_dev

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Dagmar:

NO! UNPOSSIBLE! ALSA IS PERFEKT

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sandeen_:

Como|Lappy, you can easily grep for them in .config

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Torg:

yes sandeen_ I get all kinds of pops from bcast, mostly because of the high quaility output of the stream

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ffeingol:

live-tv is working just fine and we can watch tv, but when I try to record I just get nothing. One turner is solid black, the other is solid white (PVR-500)

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Dagmar:

ffeingol: Which version of ivtv and kernel?

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Como|Lappy:

i have v4l1 compatable

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sandeen_:

Torg, hm.

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Como|Lappy:

i can pick one or the other

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ffeingol:

2.6.9–42.0.10.EL

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Dagmar:

Como|Lappy: You don't need that afaik, but it can't really hurt either

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ffeingol:

how do I show the ivtv version?

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Torg:

I run my card is a digial out with analog bix

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Torg:

err mix

[19:58:52]

Dagmar:

ffeingol: Take that copy of CentOS out back and shoot it.

[19:59:04]

Torg:

so anything alaong, rederd like an mp3 gets converted by the dsp

[19:59:05]

Dagmar:

That's the _simple_ solution

[19:59:19]

ffeingol:

hehe. Sorry, run a ton of CentOS servers, so it's just what I'm most comfortable with.

[19:59:24]

Dagmar:

You need a *much* newer kernel

[19:59:38]

ffeingol:

hmm. but live tv, watching works?

[19:59:41]

Dagmar:

...which is going to mean a new udev and HAL and sveral other things

[19:59:45]

Como|Lappy:

HUH.

[19:59:47]

Torg:

get 2.6.20 from kernel.org and compile it yourself

[19:59:52]

Como|Lappy:

using the compatable 848 is hidden

[20:00:26]

ffeingol:

Dagmar: so what is the "suggested" distro?

[20:00:27]

Dagmar:

I don't see how LiveTV can possibly be working if you're getting nothing on either tuner

[20:00:30]

sandeen_:

Torg, FWIW I just switched to xine for output and lo and behold I don't 'have the audio blips I saw before *shrug*

[20:00:32]

Dagmar:

...but then it's a freaking ancient kernel

[20:00:43]

Dagmar:

ffeingol: I hate to say this, but just about bloody anything

[20:00:50]

Torg:

I belive xine and mplauer prebuffer the sound

[20:00:52]

ffeingol:

Dagmar: live tv works just peachy

[20:00:53]

Dagmar:

Ubuntu Fisty or so

[20:00:58]

Dagmar:

...or Edgy

[20:01:04]

Torg:

I know mplayuer does, so it still has the same issues you just dont see them

[20:01:29]

Dagmar:

Or the latest Fedora even

[20:01:34]

sandeen_:

Torg, maybe that's it... I have indicators on the receiver, prologic vs. dolby digital, an w/ internal it would bounce back and forth, with xine it locked right on

[20:01:39]

Torg:

all teh rest, is alsa

[20:02:01]

sandeen_:

*shrug* ok :)

[20:02:29]

sandeen_:

Torg, what do you mean by that?

[20:02:30]

Dagmar:

ffeingol: Lemme put it another way... I'm surprised the ivtv driver didn't tell you to bugger off when you tried to compile it

[20:02:54]

Torg:

my sound card converts everything to DD

[20:02:57]

sandeen_:

ah

[20:03:02]

ffeingol:

Dagmar, just did a yum install from atrpms ;)

[20:03:08]

Dagmar:

ffeingol: You're using ancient everything, and wanting to fix it. This is not a very hair-saving approach

[20:03:08]

Torg:

well everything that inst already ac3 or dts

[20:03:26]

** sandeen_ is poorly versed in the ways of alsa :( **

[20:03:48]

Torg:

there are quite a few sites about how to setup your hardware

[20:03:50]

sandeen_:

I guess I must have some magic, because I can play back mp3s etc too

[20:03:53]

Torg:

its all chip specifc tho

[20:03:55]

Dagmar:

ffeingol: Look at it this way, once you get things running you aren't going to be using the console for Linux stuff all that much anymore

[20:04:06]

Torg:

or more exaxtly chip + hardware imlpimantion specifc

[20:04:09]

sandeen_:

Torg, yeah I think I have it set up right for ac3 out at the hardware level

[20:04:19]

Dagmar:

sandeen: I recommend the Necronomicon

[20:04:26]

Torg:

what does aplay -l say?

[20:05:24]

sandeen_:

Torg, http://pastebin.ca/420015

[20:05:37]

sandeen_:

I do have iec958 outputs on the card, card 0: CMI8738MC8 [C-Media PCI CMI8738-MC8], device 2: CMI8738-MC8 [C-Media PCI IEC958]

[20:05:46]

ffeingol:

Dagmar: What verison if Fitsy/Edgy?

[20:06:14]

Dagmar:

ffeingol: FIsty is the devel one, Edgy is the "stable" one

[20:06:20]

Dagmar:

Either will do just fine

[20:06:34]

Dagmar:

Just use the howto *on Ubuntu's site* for Edgy

[20:06:43]

ffeingol:

ok. hmm. Only fun is getting wi-fi working again, but I guess I can start over LOL

[20:06:52]

Dagmar:

What chipset?

[20:07:09]

Torg:

ok sandeen what does aplay -L say?

[20:07:11]

ffeingol:

RT73

[20:07:20]

Dagmar:

For wireless?

[20:07:24]

ffeingol:

yes

[20:07:46]

ffeingol:

it's a Linksys WUSB54GC

[20:07:54]

Como|Lappy:

when are they gonna build ivtv into the kernel

[20:07:56]

sandeen_:

Torg, http://pastebin.ca/420019

[20:08:03]

Como|Lappy:

because its more broke now than it was before :(

[20:08:15]

Dagmar:

ffeingol: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/RT73_Wireless should make that easier

[20:08:16]

achew22:

what db does mythvideo use to to track what movies it has?

[20:08:47]

Dagmar:

Como|Lappy: What broken?

[20:08:59]

Dagmar:

Como|Lappy: ANyway, the plan is 2.6.22

[20:09:00]

fryfrog:

does anyone recall where the slow deletes setting is?

[20:09:10]

GreyFoxx:

achew22: Several tables actually, mostly videometadata

[20:09:16]

Torg:

ok sandeen_ let me look up my conf file, I think I may have one for you to try

[20:09:27]

achew22:

GreyFoxx, if I drop videometadata will it be forced to rescan the collection?

[20:09:37]

Como|Lappy:

im trying to build ivtv

[20:09:41]

Dagmar:

Como|Lappy: It compiled fine yesterday on mine with 2.6.20.4

[20:09:56]

Como|Lappy:

im pretty sure it compiled for me yesterday too

[20:10:03]

Dagmar:

You're using 0.10.x *right*?

[20:10:05]

Como|Lappy:

but i diddnt have bt848

[20:10:06]

GreyFoxx:

achew22: I imagine so, but it does store some data in other tables and I don';t kow how important those are to keep in sync

[20:10:08]

Como|Lappy:

yes.

[20:10:20]

Como|Lappy:

http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto#Cho . . . rnel_modules

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Como|Lappy:

i've been following that the best i can

[20:10:29]

GreyFoxx:

just point myth to a empty directory, run video manager and tell it yes to all, then point it back and run it again

[20:10:53]

Torg:

ok sandeen_ http://pastebin.ca/420023 thats my asound.conf

[20:11:09]

Torg:

I connect to my decoder via coaxial spdif so I use the digial out

[20:11:10]

Dagmar:

Como|Lappy: You don't have to really do much choosing. Just turn OFF the part that says "autodetect things and screw them up" and then go spamming "M" for modules everywhere you can

[20:11:13]

sandeen_:

Torg, thanks, I'll look over it & compare it to mine...

[20:11:15]

fryfrog:

or what slow deletes are called in the db?

[20:11:30]

Torg:

I tie by DAC #1 and #2 togehret to allow it to output non DD as DD

[20:11:36]

Torg:

its a fake DD, but it works

[20:11:36]

sandeen_:

it looks like we probably started with the same thing :)

[20:11:44]

Dagmar:

Como|Lappy: And stop using that framegrabber you kitten-hater

[20:11:45]

Dagmar:

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/evild . . . t=1175458278

[20:12:12]

Como|Lappy:

:- im using a pvr 350

[20:12:24]

Torg:

Dagmar thats a waste of good snake food :P

[20:12:25]

Dagmar:

fryfrog: I can tell you it's somewhere in the frontend menus if that helps. ;)

[20:12:32]

Como|Lappy:

is that a framegrabber?

[20:12:41]

Dagmar:

Como|Lappy: Bt8x8? Oh yes

[20:12:45]

fryfrog:

Dagmar: zounds, i swear i saw it in the mythtv-setup! :p

[20:13:04]

Como|Lappy:

i bought it over a year ago because it had hardware mpeg-2

[20:13:10]

Dagmar:

fryfrog: Well, there's not many menus to sift through in mythtv-setup

[20:13:14]

Como|Lappy:

everyone told me it was a good card

[20:13:18]

Dagmar:

You should have been able to look at them all in a couple of minutes

[20:13:30]

Dagmar:

It would be no fun to put those configurable items in a SMALL menu

[20:13:41]

Dagmar:

Como|Lappy: It was, back in 1998

[20:13:44]

fryfrog:

pvr350 is like the poor little gifted child that nobody likes :(

[20:13:51]

Como|Lappy:

:(

[20:13:54]

xris:

Como|Lappy: it's not a framegrabber

[20:14:08]

Como|Lappy:

so basically im wasting my time and money, is what your saying

[20:14:08]

Wibble-:

I think I figured out my frustrating scheduling bug. If you have two channels which have the same program at the same time, the scheduler will not record *EITHER* as it says its being recorded earlier in both cases. In my case it is because I have a duplicate channel

[20:14:11]

fryfrog:

its a fine device for mpeg2 input :)

[20:14:12]

Dagmar:

ffeingol: People have sworn to me that if you use the HOWTO on Ubuntu's site you should be able to use their packages

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Dagmar:

Como|Lappy: Well, you can use the card for watching live TV without recording it, or for scraping ice off your car windows

[20:14:47]

fryfrog:

i use ubuntu and i compile the -fixes svn myself

[20:14:50]

ffeingol:

Dagmar: ok. Foolish me looked at the Myth/wiki/howto no the Ubuntu

[20:14:56]

fryfrog:

i also wish to switch back to gentoo :p

[20:15:14]

Dagmar:

fryfrog: Better to probably figure out how to make deb files

[20:15:20]

Como|Lappy:

the person this is for allready has a tv, and she can watch tv on it.

[20:15:25]

fryfrog:

yeah, but for 2 FE's it wasn't worth it

[20:16:00]

Dagmar:

Como|Lappy: Framegrabbing is CPU-intensive, and it takes some careful diddling to keep unexpected events from dropping frames

[20:16:12]

Dagmar:

Oof! Battery critical. Gotta og

[20:16:18]

Como|Lappy:

>_<

[20:16:24]

Como|Lappy:

so i should basically throw it out

[20:16:29]

fryfrog:

why are you even blabbering about frame grabbers? he has a pvr350 :p

[20:16:32]

Como|Lappy:

along with the rest of the whole damn project

[20:16:59]

kormoc:

Como|Lappy, uhh

[20:17:07]

kormoc:

you need the bt8x8 drivers for the tuner module

[20:17:13]

kormoc:

not to use it as a frame grabber...

[20:17:27]

fryfrog:

just to have the drivers for the "tuner"

[20:17:43]

kormoc:

Como|Lappy, if you wanna throw away that card, I'd be happy to pay shipping for you to give it to me :P

[20:17:58]

Como|Lappy:

i dont want to throw it away, Dagmar here is telling me its crap

[20:18:01]

Como|Lappy:

i paid good money for it

[20:18:10]

fryfrog:

no, he is just retarded and wasn't paying attention

[20:18:19]

Como|Lappy:

well thats forgivable i suppose

[20:18:20]

fryfrog:

it is in the same class as the PVR150, 250 and 500

[20:18:30]

Como|Lappy:

i knew that

[20:18:34]

fryfrog:

it is a PVR250 that has mpeg2 *output*

[20:18:43]

Como|Lappy:

i dont know if thats a good thing or not

[20:18:47]

fryfrog:

so now a days, its kind of a waste but thats okay

[20:18:49]

fryfrog:

it is

[20:18:52]

Como|Lappy:

so this has a crappy output?

[20:18:59]

fryfrog:

PVR150,250,350, 500 are some of the best cards

[20:19:00]

Como|Lappy:

it might be a 250, i lost the damn box

[20:19:04]

fryfrog:

no, actually it has awesome output

[20:19:11]

fryfrog:

but nobody codes for it

[20:19:21]

fryfrog:

its much *easier* to get tv out working on an nvidia/ati card

[20:19:29]

fryfrog:

than it is to use the 350's tv output, thats all

[20:19:39]

Como|Lappy:

i think this machine has an onboard nvidia output

[20:19:44]

Como|Lappy:

svideo/rca

[20:19:44]

kormoc:

and tends to be cheaper to get an nvidia and 250 then a 350

[20:19:47]

fryfrog:

myth *can* use it, but... its one of those things that i think no developers use it anymore so it kind of languashes :)

[20:19:54]

fryfrog:

yar, there is that too :)

[20:20:10]

Como|Lappy:

if thats better or the same quality, but easyer to use

[20:20:11]

kormoc:

fryfrog, meh, there's the generic X driver for the 350 by the ivtv project, that will likely always work

[20:20:13]

Como|Lappy:

i'd take it

[20:20:35]

fryfrog:

yeah, you'll prolly have a much easier time with nvidia output :)

[20:20:51]

Como|Lappy:

let me find the machine on newegg here

[20:20:51]

fryfrog:

though, if you do *have* a 350... it might be worth a shot getting it working

[20:21:06]

Como|Lappy:

well, is there an easy way to check in the os here?

[20:21:16]

fryfrog:

i'd have a go, if it were me. just for learnings and stuff

[20:21:17]

fryfrog:

lscpi?

[20:21:37]

Como|Lappy:

that was my first idea

[20:21:38]

Como|Lappy:

Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC15 MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01)

[20:21:40]

fryfrog:

when you "modprobe nvidia" (if you have that module) you should get the exact card as output in dmesg

[20:21:44]

Como|Lappy:

i diddnt find that entirely useful

[20:21:50]

kormoc:

lspci -v -v?

[20:22:10]

fryfrog:

that sounds like a PVRX50 family, dunno if it reveals 250 vs. 350 :)

[20:22:15]

Como|Lappy:

would you look at that

[20:22:16]

Como|Lappy:

Subsystem: Hauppauge computer works Inc. WinTV PVR-350

[20:22:21]

fryfrog:

what does the output of "dmesg" around the time ivtv is detected?

[20:22:23]

fryfrog:

there ya go :)

[20:22:26]

Como|Lappy:

never knew that one

[20:22:40]

fryfrog:

kormoc: lspci -vv or -vvv also work :)

[20:22:44]

fryfrog:

don't need to seperate them

[20:22:45]

Como|Lappy:

look at all this useful information

[20:22:50]

kormoc:

hehe, true

[20:23:01]

fryfrog:

for teh lazy typist :)

[20:23:01]

Como|Lappy:

Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)

[20:23:06]

kormoc:

I'm anal about it tho, I always separate them for some reason

[20:23:09]

Como|Lappy:

might need to get that installed and working

[20:23:11]

fryfrog:

ahaha

[20:23:21]

fryfrog:

so you do tar -z -v -x -f? :p

[20:23:28]

kormoc:

typically, aye :P

[20:23:47]

fryfrog:

dang, thats like 3x as much typing :)

[20:23:58]

fryfrog:

well, 2x i guess

[20:24:19]

Como|Lappy:

3, because of spaces

[20:24:19]

xris:

fryfrog: tar zxfv

[20:24:36]

xris:

no need for – or extra spaces

[20:24:40]

Como|Lappy:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856110057

[20:24:41]

Como|Lappy:

thats the one

[20:24:44]

kormoc:

and when I script, I tend to use the --longnames

[20:24:49]

fryfrog:

yeah, no shit thats what i was talking about xris :)

[20:24:58]

Torg:

its tar zxvf, easier to type that way

[20:25:00]

fryfrog:

ah, i can see that for scrpting. makes things easier

[20:25:02]

xris:

kormoc: yes, when scripting, definitely

[20:25:09]

Torg:

its damn had for me NOT to type far zxvf too :P

[20:25:37]

fryfrog:

i always use zxvf on .bz2 files cause its so... instinctive

[20:25:43]

fryfrog:

usually have to go back and "oh yeah, j"

[20:25:53]

xris:

fryfrog: I usually have to fight not putting both z and j in

[20:25:59]

fryfrog:

ahaha

[20:26:00]

Torg:

its like typing "ps fax" or " ls -la" or just about 30 other combinaitons i simply type wihtout really look at them

[20:26:04]

fryfrog:

what happens if you put both in?

[20:26:15]

Torg:

it gives an error

[20:26:18]

fryfrog:

oh :)

[20:26:22]

fryfrog:

anyway, time for a shower

[20:26:27]

kormoc:

unless it's a .tar.gzip.bzip file :P

[20:26:47]

immolo:

xvjpf :P

[20:27:53]

Torg:

its like gunzip, I dont think I ever use it. I always type gzip -d

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** Como|Lappy pokes menuconfig **

[20:29:08]

Como|Lappy:

where....did multimedia go

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Como|Lappy:

oh, its there

[20:30:59]

Como|Lappy:

so

[20:31:06]

Como|Lappy:

howcome when i find something with the / search

[20:31:13]

Como|Lappy:

i cant just be like 'turn that on'

[20:31:51]

kormoc:

that'd be too easy

[20:31:56]

Como|Lappy:

yeah, i guess

[20:32:04]

Como|Lappy:

i think i need help following this, though

[20:32:13]

Como|Lappy:

i did a search for somehting i need

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Como|Lappy:

it found it, and up top it says 'Symbol: VIDEO_CX2341X [=m]'

[20:32:37]

Como|Lappy:

so that means i have it built in as a module allready?

[20:32:47]

kormoc:

nah, that's the default state I think?

[20:33:05]

Como|Lappy:

i dont know :-

[20:35:18]

Wibble-:

I thought mythtv 0.18 had a mouse-over pop up in mythweb... but I cant figure out how to show it in 0.20... Is there a setting I need to tweak?

[20:35:31]

Como|Lappy:

so now i need to figure out why 'make' on ivtv fails

[20:35:32]

kormoc:

mouse over pop up for what?

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Wibble-:

over the program details in the listing – I'm sure it showed me more info about the program

[20:36:22]

kormoc:

they're there

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kormoc:

what browse?

[20:36:55]

Wibble-:

they don't work for me :/

[20:36:56]

kormoc:

*broser

[20:36:59]

kormoc:

*browser

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Wibble-:

firefox 2.0.0.2

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xris:

lol. avidemux can't resize its window to smaller than the video you're working with.

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Como|Lappy:

http://www.netman86.com/ivtvmake

[20:37:57]

Como|Lappy:

anyone know what its mad about?

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kormoc:

ivtvfbctl.c:36:29: linux/videodev2.h: No such file or directory

[20:38:14]

kormoc:

that would be it

[20:38:27]

Como|Lappy:

well.... why no

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Como|Lappy:

not*

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** kormoc shrugs **

[20:38:54]

Como|Lappy:

it...diddnt come with a file it wants?

[20:39:04]

kormoc:

that's part of the linux sources

[20:39:07]

kormoc:

well, should be

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Como|Lappy:

oh

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Como|Lappy:

errrr

[20:39:41]

Como|Lappy:

so my source diddnt come with something /this/ wants

[20:39:46]

Como|Lappy:

or its something i havnt built

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xris:

kormoc: well, at least avidemux seems to be able to do lossless mpeg cutting...

[20:41:29]

kormoc:

xris, heh, nice

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Wibble-:

And another problem... BBC3 in the UK. If you try and record the first program shown when the channel starts broadcasting, you get a stupid screen over the image that says "BBC3 will start at 7pm. If you can see this image over the program, then tune out and back in"... Can I get myth to detect when that happens + re-tune?

[20:42:29]

kormoc:

Wibble-, sure, if you code something to do so

[20:43:27]

Wibble-:

I see. Well, I'll give it a go... if someone can point me to the telepathic coding module ;)

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xris:

kormoc: of course, it seems to be putting the mpeg data into an avi container.

[20:44:05]

xris:

oh well

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Wibble-:

By the way – I was just going through the settings for a different reason, and I *think* that the BBC3 problem can be solved by turning off interactive TV (it said it is used for displaying logos when they aren't broadcasting)

[20:46:52]

gbee:

Wibble-: the bbc3 issue is fixed in svn

[20:47:07]

** kormoc laughs **

[20:47:15]

Wibble-:

ahhh cool

[20:48:12]

brandon-:

I'm building a stack of dvd's that I can't get to rip. Stranger than fiction, the prestige, and a couple disney movies. They all work fine until they hit ?purposely? created bad sectors. dmesg reports I/O buffer errors and at that point it's game over for ripping. Has anyone else seen this and have any idea of what I can do to rip the dvd's?

[20:48:22]

Como|Lappy:

did i misplace this room?

[20:48:23]

juski:

damn timesplit channels.. they're inordinately silly

[20:48:39]

gbee:

well not that it's strictly a bbc3 problem, affected all channels which showed an MHEG image when they were offline

[20:49:28]

Wibble-:

Should turning off interactive tv be a good work around? (I'd be quite keen to stick with the ubuntu packages – its a pain if I try and deviate from what ubuntu provides)

[20:49:45]

juski:

I see turning off interactive tv as a good thing all around :)

[20:50:09]

gbee:

Wibble-: turning off interative tv would work – you can also just disable it for recordings (recording profiles)

[20:50:40]

Como|Lappy:

so yeah...why doesnt linux/videodev2.h exist

[20:50:59]

kormoc:

are you using the proper ivtv for your kernel version?

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Wibble-:

ahhh cool thanks :)

[20:51:09]

gbee:

Juski: I don't know – I make use of it occassionally much like I did for teletext and for the radio channels it's better than a blank screen :)

[20:51:22]

Como|Lappy:

well, im using the latest ivtv, and the latest kernel

[20:51:23]

juski:

yeah I spose for the radio channels

[20:51:33]

Como|Lappy:

0.10.1

[20:51:38]

juski:

I find it a bit of a cpu hog though

[20:51:56]

kormoc:

Como|Lappy, that might not work, depending. Each version of ivtv is for a specifc kernel version, so if they haven't updated to that kernel version yet...

[20:51:57]

juski:

and the 'press red' stuff is annoying

[20:52:09]

gbee:

Wibble-: actually I'm not sure whether the option to disable recording MHEG was added before 0.20 or after

[20:52:16]

gbee:

only way to know is to look I suppose

[20:52:25]

Wibble-:

after 0.20 I guess – I can't find it :)

[20:52:32]

juski:

it's in 0.20-fixes for sure

[20:52:42]

Como|Lappy:

all i see in the documentation is "0.10.X for kernel >=2.6.18"

[20:52:43]

gbee:

there is a dropdown to choose what is recorded – e.g. Audio Only, Video+Audio, Everything etc

[20:53:22]

gbee:

Juski: can't say I've ever noticed it using much cpu – I'll look out for that in the future

[20:53:42]

Wibble-:

Ok – while I'm here... I don't know if its just how mythtv works or if its settings issues. But comparing it against a humax, it takes *much* longer to change channel (2–5 seconds vs less than 1). Are my settings wrong, or should I just put up with it?

[20:54:05]

juski:

Wibble-: put up with it

[20:54:18]

juski:

2–5 seconds is very much faster than it used to be

[20:54:23]

juski:

learn to graze less ;)

[20:54:39]

Como|Lappy:

watch less tv!

[20:54:42]

Como|Lappy:

haha, i dont even watch tv

[20:54:44]

juski:

I bet your humax doesn't buffer everything

[20:55:06]

Wibble-:

yeah it does – you can rewind to when you had changed channel

[20:55:08]

juski:

also – be glad you don't have a UK cable box.. bloody 5 secs+ channel change times

[20:55:13]

Wibble-:

blimey

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juski:

Wibble-: $ky boxes are similarly afflicted

[20:56:04]

juski:

maybe what the humax does is anticipate the channel change

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gbee:

Wibble-: that's really just a restriction at the hardware/driver level – as Juski said it used to be much more than 2–5

[20:56:11]

juski:

most changes will after all be on the same mux

[20:56:58]

Wibble-:

Oh oh oh – ok – lots of questions coming up now I'm here... when I *do* change channel (or even just turn on live TV) myth starts recording + saves it straight away. So I get recordings of a few seconds before it changes to the channel I wanted... any way to stop that? :) (i.e. only store livetv recordings that are longer than say 2 minutes)

[20:56:58]

juski:

the humax willl prolly do what most stbs do – i.e. stream the whole mux then just swap PIDs to change channel

[20:57:22]

juski:

Wibble-: livetv recordings less than 2 mins get autoexpired quickly

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gbee:

Wibble-: it deletes those short recordings automatically

[20:58:13]

gbee:

anything longer will be deleted when the space is needed

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juski:

or when you say so if you wanna do it manually

[20:58:52]

Wibble-:

Oh, I see. Ok – guess thats good enough! It'll mean I can stop trying to do it manually.

[20:59:17]

Wibble-:

btw, even though I have problems, I still think mythtv is superb ;)

[20:59:28]

juski:

cool! Japanorama is back on!

[20:59:45]

Como|Lappy:

stab it

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Wibble-:

and is the problem where at the end of watching a livetv program (I assume when it tries to save it to switch to the next program) it falls over and you have to re-tune in fixed post 0.20?

[21:00:14]

juski:

already in 0.20-fixes AFAIK

[21:00:19]

gbee:

personally wouldn't bother deleting them manually – mythtv should have some dedicated space, so long as your recordings are there when you want them it's irrelevant whether it's using 1Gb or 100Gb

[21:01:17]

Wibble-:

okies

[21:01:29]

Wibble-:

you guys have been very helpdul! thanks!

[21:01:33]

Wibble-:

-d+f.

[21:01:42]

gbee:

makes a change

[21:02:20]

Wibble-:

Well, I'm glad I turned up on the day that you are being helpful then ;)

[21:02:24]

juski:

I'm definitely gonna cut down. it's done my head in today, good & proper

[21:02:32]

juski:

the weekends bring out the numpties

[21:03:50]

gbee:

it can be very tiring to be helpful

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juski:

being thanked helps, as does folks asking not-in-the-manual stuff :)

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Wibble-:

Yeah – I can imagine answering the same things all the time which have been answered in the manual *because* they are common questions could get thoroughly tiring indeed...

[21:06:23]

juski:

I'll be glad when the ubunut database thing is finally buried

[21:06:28]

juski:

believe me!

[21:07:03]

juski:

anyway.. time I wasn't here. g'night all

[21:07:13]

gbee:

the number of times I start to type a reply, then stop when I realise that I'll still be trying to help this person with the same problem in an hour

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Wibble-:

Perhaps what might be useful is some kind of *generic* walkthrough wizardy tool – so users could click through steps and have things automatically checked and done.

[21:10:04]

Wibble-:

*ponders while wandering off to watch TV*

[21:10:08]

Wibble-:

thanks again

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phatmonkey:

how does widescreen work? do the themes and recordings automagically work? i'm considering getting a widescreen tv with hdmi to hook it up with a hdmi-dvi cable

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Torg:

you need a widescreen theme

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phatmonkey:

is there a widescreen version of retro?

[21:33:25]

xris:

well, standard themes work fine in widescreen, they just get stretched

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EnderTheThird:

Torg: you know of any other good theme sites?

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Torg:

I can check, but not offhand

[21:44:10]

Torg:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Themes

[21:44:59]

EnderTheThird:

GeForce 7600 GS, 2.8 GHz P4, and 1GB RAM should be plenty for 2 HD streams, shouldn't it?

[21:45:10]

Torg:

easily

[21:45:29]

Torg:

bakend plus frontend?

[21:45:36]

EnderTheThird:

yeah

[21:45:48]

AndyCap:

hm, should I run the backend with or without hyperthreading?

[21:45:57]

EnderTheThird:

HD-5500's

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Torg:

without makes no differnce

[21:46:49]

Torg:

my FE only runs a 3GHZ P4 and a FX 5900

[21:47:08]

Torg:

runas about 50% FE and 40% X at max

[21:47:33]

Torg:

the BE is recording off two atsc tuners and used near to nothing for the cards (its a stright dump to disk)

[21:48:02]

Torg:

so a 2.8Ghz and a 7600 should be more then enough

[21:48:09]

kormoc:

AndyCap, depends on if it helps or not... only you can really know for sure

[21:48:18]

Torg:

how do you plan on connecting the video card to the display?

[21:49:13]

EnderTheThird:

Yeah, after I get a replacement desktop computer (~1.5 weeks), i'll be throwing this hardware into an HTPC case and hooking it up to my TV

[21:49:15]

EnderTheThird:

(1080i)

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Torg:

no via what cable method

[21:49:32]

Torg:

dvi-hdmi?

[21:49:39]

Torg:

vga-composite?

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AndyCap:

kormoc: hehe well, that's why I'm asking. I'd have guessed someone tried it for mythtv backends before. but I guess it depends on the capture cards and what jobs one run concurrently

[21:50:04]

EnderTheThird:

component out with my video card

[21:50:21]

kormoc:

AndyCap, personally, HT helped mine (2.4 ghz p4, framegrabber card), but as always, ymmv

[21:50:31]

kormoc:

EnderTheThird, and how are you gonna get HD out of component out?

[21:51:00]

EnderTheThird:

i thought component outs could do 1080i? (i've never tried, honestly)

[21:51:08]

kormoc:

ooh, whoopse

[21:51:08]

AndyCap:

kormoc: ok. thanks. :)

[21:51:17]

kormoc:

I thouhgt you said composite for some reason

[21:51:20]

** kormoc goes to bed again **

[21:51:26]

Torg:

I said composite :P

[21:51:28]

EnderTheThird:

heh, got ya

[21:51:29]

AndyCap:

Hihi, someone should make up a new word for component

[21:51:38]

Torg:

I was asking if he knew how to connect it, thats all

[21:51:51]

EnderTheThird:

No, it's the worst when people/companies use the interchangeably

[21:52:05]

Torg:

vga to comonent has the probelm with EDID and the video not being able to sense the display

[21:52:08]

EnderTheThird:

I've seen it mixed up on hardware boxes all the time

[21:52:19]

Torg:

given the issues I had and how I had to foll the X server, its really not all that bad

[21:52:26]

Torg:

but your going to have to play with 1080I lines

[21:52:50]

EnderTheThird:

i figured overscan would be a bitch to fix

[21:53:09]

Torg:

its not that diffcult

[21:53:17]

EnderTheThird:

and getting font sizes readable (damn interlaced display)

[21:53:22]

Torg:

nope

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Torg:

if you understand what you are doing its not that hard

[21:53:54]

Torg:

other then playing with modelines

[21:53:56]

EnderTheThird:

if my current case wasn't such a mammoth, i'd take it in my living room and set it up now, heh

[21:54:10]

Torg:

I have 3 in the living room

[21:54:24]

Torg:

I finanly conviced my wife comptuers in teh living room was a good idea

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EnderTheThird:

haha

[21:54:31]

EnderTheThird:

well done

[21:54:37]

Torg:

unfortuanly she takes my high en fe and uses it to play mp3's

[21:54:43]

Torg:

she could have done that with the damn ipod

[21:54:46]

EnderTheThird:

ouch

[21:55:02]

EnderTheThird:

tell her if she uses your frontend, you're using her backend

[21:55:09]

Torg:

she likes to use mythweb to arrange playlists and then play them arround the house

[21:55:26]

Torg:

she uses the backend too, she uses to hate the idea of a comptuer in the living room

[21:55:39]

Torg:

now I have to convice here to delte those damn 3 month old recordings

[21:55:47]

kormoc:

that's why you have it in the basement and run cables to the tv :P

[21:56:03]

Torg:

I live in Texas you dig a few feet down and hit water

[21:56:06]

Torg:

we dont have basements

[21:56:10]

EnderTheThird:

ha

[21:56:11]

kormoc:

sad

[21:56:27]

kormoc:

so live on the second floor and call the first the basement? :P

[21:56:28]

EnderTheThird:

any of you ever tried Linux MCE?

[21:56:41]

kormoc:

nope

[21:56:51]

kormoc:

I think people in here are very tired of hearing bout it

[21:57:01]

Torg:

naa I just put the three systems for myth in the livign room next to the display

[21:57:15]

EnderTheThird:

ha

[21:57:16]

Torg:

used plain ol cases, notning special other then some disk trays with fans

[21:57:25]

Torg:

its still quieter thent he damn DLP

[21:57:41]

EnderTheThird:

only problem with those HTPC cases is that they're overly expensive

[21:57:51]

EnderTheThird:

and all the cool looking ones are MiniATX

[21:57:53]

Torg:

why do you want one anyway, for looks?

[21:58:40]

EnderTheThird:

be nicer on the AV shelves

[21:58:46]

EnderTheThird:

mostly looks, yeah

[21:58:59]

EnderTheThird:

and they have mounts for the IR receiver so it's hidden behind the case.

[21:59:34]

Torg:

mine are thhree plain themeltake matrix cases, cost $70 with 450W power supply

[21:59:35]

Inssomniak:

my mythtv database seems to have gotten corrupt, is there a way to repair it?

[21:59:47]

Torg:

and the IR reciver, which I never use anyway, is a box sitting on top of one of them

[21:59:57]

Torg:

why do you think its corrupt?

[22:00:19]

Inssomniak:

Im not entirely sure it is, but after a hydro failure, a few days ago, myth hasnt worked since

[22:00:25]

Torg:

mysqlcheck

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Torg:

so mysqlcheck mythconverg

[22:01:06]

Torg:

that wont tell you if the data is correct tho, just that the tables are corrupt

[22:01:11]

EnderTheThird:

with the cost of my new desktop parts, i might say to hell with it and get a regular case. HTPC would be $100 + power supply

[22:01:48]

EnderTheThird:

CPU is at 90–100% right now. i have a feeling it's not using my video card for the video like it should be

[22:02:03]

Inssomniak:

ok I ran that, and it seems to hang? after mythconverg.cardinput OK

[22:02:05]

Torg:

whats eating CPU?

[22:02:11]

Torg:

if its the FE then no

[22:02:12]

EnderTheThird:

ABC in HD

[22:02:14]

Torg:

if its X then yes

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kormoc:

Inssomniak, give it time

[22:02:28]

Torg:

no, what does top tell you is using the most of the CPU?

[22:02:31]

EnderTheThird:

Frontend is showing ~40%

[22:02:35]

EnderTheThird:

40–50

[22:02:52]

Torg:

whats X showing?

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Inssomniak:

99% cpu now eating up

[22:03:56]

EnderTheThird:

total usage in gnome-system-monitor is 90+/ g-s-m is showing very little usage by other apps, so i'm assuming the rest is being eaten up by X

[22:04:11]

Inssomniak:

database is hanging here, and it seems to hang a lot while running mythbackend too

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Torg:

15217 mythtv 15 0 801m 607m 75m S 34.3 60.2 18:06.96 mythfrontend

[22:05:06]

Torg:

15122 root 15 0 69412 55m 10m S 0.3 5.5 1:11.35 XFree86

[22:05:18]

Torg:

thats playig the last eppiosde of Lost

[22:05:42]

Torg:

so 35% of the cpu is the FE and X isnt hardly moving at all

[22:06:05]

EnderTheThird:

hold on, phone

[22:06:19]

baxter_kylie:

Anyone know of a way to get around mkisofs 's all caps requirement? I have a retail disc I want to create an iso of but the video_ts folder is in lowercase.

[22:06:35]

Inssomniak:

what table would be after the cardinput table?

[22:06:49]

Torg:

alphabetical

[22:06:51]

Torg:

channel

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Inssomniak:

hmm

[22:07:03]

Torg:

got allot of them?

[22:07:05]

Inssomniak:

its seemingly taking way too long

[22:07:14]

Torg:

how many channels do you have?

[22:07:22]

Inssomniak:

uhm, maybe 1000?

[22:07:25]

Torg:

is something else running accessing the DB?

[22:07:40]

Inssomniak:

no everything is shut down

[22:07:41]

Torg:

is the BE running? is MFD running?

[22:08:52]

Inssomniak:

nope

[22:09:21]

Torg:

is mysql running at or about full on the CPU?

[22:09:27]

Inssomniak:

yup

[22:09:37]

Torg:

be patient

[22:09:52]

Inssomniak:

ok

[22:09:55]

Inssomniak:

all kinds of errors

[22:09:57]

Inssomniak:

came up

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Inssomniak:

client is using or hasn't closed the table properly

[22:10:21]

Torg:

it shoudl fix that

[22:10:31]

Inssomniak:

ok

[22:10:34]

Inssomniak:

I rechecked it

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Inssomniak:

and it was all OK

[22:10:58]

Inssomniak:

Table './mythconverg/program' is marked as crashed and should be repaired

[22:11:07]

Inssomniak:

mythbackend spits this out

[22:11:23]

Torg:

you can either repair it or drop it and recreate it

[22:11:29]

Inssomniak:

how do I repair it?

[22:11:46]

Torg:

with that same program

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hads:

mysqlcheck --auto-repair mythconverg

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Torg:

tahnks hads I was goan look it up under the man pages :P

[22:12:25]

hads:

:)

[22:12:31]

Inssomniak:

didnt work :(

[22:12:36]

Torg:

still tho I would simply recreate the table

[22:12:39]

hads:

That's one of my favourite answers in here

[22:12:45]

Torg:

how do you poplate it now, with what grabber?

[22:12:50]

Inssomniak:

kill the "program" table?

[22:13:00]

Torg:

yes, its just your listing, you can regrab them

[22:13:17]

Torg:

if its populated by EIT I would probbly think about dropping it

[22:13:22]

Inssomniak:

It is

[22:13:28]

Torg:

mine is all zap2it, so I really dont care

[22:13:30]

Inssomniak:

but I dont know how to drop a table :(

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Torg:

delete from program

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lwizardl:

hi

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Torg:

mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg

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Torg:

put in the password

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Inssomniak:

ok Im in

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Torg:

type "delete from program;" without quotes

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Torg:

and then "quit;"

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Torg:

then go repouate the table

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Inssomniak:

mysql> delete from program

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Inssomniak:

-> ;

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Inssomniak:

ERROR 145 (HY000): Table './mythconverg/program' is marked as crashed and should be repaired

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hads:

TRUNCATE program will be faster

[22:16:22]

Inssomniak:

ran "repair table program;"

[22:16:25]

Inssomniak:

and it fixed it

[22:16:27]

Inssomniak:

now myth works!

[22:18:31]

Inssomniak:

thanks for the help!

[22:18:35]

Torg:

hads in mysql4 truncate program is actly the same as delete from program

[22:18:48]

hads:

Interesting.

[22:19:20]

Torg:

it differs in mysql5 tho

[22:19:21]

hads:

I'm no DBA, I just know what I pick up from working with websites :)

[22:20:12]

Torg:

I used to be, but you are correct its "more correct" to truncate the table then to delete all its rows

[22:20:28]

Torg:

in oracle that would be a worlkd fo differnce as you simply move the pointer with truncate

[22:20:36]

Torg:

and delet has to recurse all the rows

[22:20:57]

hads:

Yeah

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Torg:

in mysql tho it makes no differnce and is actually the same command, unlill mysql5

[22:21:15]

Torg:

then again you dont run terabyte databses, so were talkig miliseconds here :)

[22:21:31]

hads:

heh :)

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** xris wonders how long it would take to do an h.264 export of an 1080i shiw... **

[22:29:02]

xris:

Torg: actually, not true

[22:29:20]

xris:

truncate resets auto_increment counters, "delete from" doesn't

[22:32:29]

lwizardl:

is there a card that can decode satellite tv?

[22:32:49]

Torg:

yes with a CI and CAM+card

[22:32:55]

lwizardl:

CI ?

[22:33:01]

Torg:

also depends on whcih sats

[22:33:09]

Torg:

Common Interface, its how you interface the CAM to the card

[22:33:15]

Torg:

looks like a PCMCIA slot sorta

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lwizardl:

well I subscribe to dish network and the satellite boxes I have don't have a pc connection hookup

[22:34:17]

Torg:

ahh you have the same issue I have, and quite a few others

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xris:

lwizardl: nothing legal in the US

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Torg:

you can capture via the analog port, and use an ir blaster

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Torg:

thats it

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lwizardl:

xris, dang

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lwizardl:

so the only card I could use is illegal to use in the us?

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Torg:

the card inst illegal

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kormoc:

you can't get the card to drive the cam in the us

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Torg:

the decrytiopn software is

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lwizardl:

oh

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xris:

lwizardl: there are a handful of non-encrypted channels, but you shoudl also be aware that the dishnet lnbf (receiver on the dish) isn't compatible with most (any?) linux-compatible dvb cards, so you'd have to get your own satellite hardware

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lwizardl:

what CAM

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Torg:

Conditional Access Module

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Torg:

the thing that does cryto for the stream

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lwizardl:

xris, thats ok I'm not using the dn hardware other than my receiver

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Torg:

commonly the access card is called a CAM, it is not. The cam is what that card goes into

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Torg:

and xris a dn reciver works fine with dvb-s cards

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sandeen_:

holy crap, CPU usage nirvana... turned off xvmc and turned on the UseEvents deal in xorg.conf for nvidia, and it -works-

[22:38:46]

xris:

Torg: the diseqc sqitch does not

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Torg:

as in dishnet backplane, its in mythtv-setup

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Torg:

whats wrong with it?

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lwizardl:

I'm getting my dish network and a few fta satellites

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lwizardl:

I have 5 lnbf's on my dish

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xris:

Torg: beats me. it's a known issue, though... I spent weeks trying to get my dvb-s card to work with my dishnet gear. finally just gave up and switched to cable.

[22:41:38]

xris:

Torg: not with my hardware, anyway.

[22:41:45]

Torg:

works with mine

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xris:

then you're lucky

[22:42:01]

Torg:

cant read any of the channels expect 101 tho :)

[22:42:05]

xris:

maybe it was just my particular dvb-s card

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xris:

I couldn't get a channel scan with anything.

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Torg:

I hav a noava-s and I connected to the dishes just to see what it would find

[22:42:35]

Torg:

finds all kinds of channels, more then my dp501 does

[22:42:42]

Torg:

I cant see any of them tho

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xris:

will probably eventually get a new lnb (dish wanted theirs back whenI cancelled)

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lwizardl:

Torg, think my setup would work if i got the card

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Torg:

I think so, xris thinks not

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Torg:

maybe you should ask someone who actualy uses it for that tho

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Torg:

you would be hardpressed becase that person would be admitting they steal satelite

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xris:

Torg: must be different generations of dishnet hardware, or maybe just weirdness in the cards

[22:47:00]

Torg:

that or maybe I really cant get the channels and can simply read the PMT tables from 101 :)

[22:47:15]

Torg:

I *belive* they poplaute all tuning data on every transponder

[22:47:31]

Torg:

so the fact I can scan in and see where they are suposed to be does not exatly equal can tune them

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xris:

Torg: I couldn't even get a channel scan to finish, though.

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xris:

got different results every time I ran szap

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Torg:

no the DMCA forbids you from decoding there chanenls even for persoanl use and even if you pay for it

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lwizardl:

oh

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Torg:

I wasnt really trying to set up a dvb-s card, it was more a "lets see what happens when I plug this in" thing

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Torg:

I scanned in a bunch of channels by unslecting FTA and voila a BUCH of stuff came in

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EnderTheThird:

So I kinda just realized I have about 10 episodes of BSG on my cable provider's DVR that i have to watch before I can hook up my PVR to my TV, heh

[22:49:28]

Torg:

but since I cant decode them, and since I didnt pubish iny program information to them ,its sorta useless

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lwizardl:

ah

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TSCHAK:

does anyone have an lircrc for the new hauppauge grey remotes? with the four color buttons on the very bottom?

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sandeen_:

http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/lircrc-haupgrey-g3.txt ?

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TSCHAK:

sandeen, thanks! :-)

[23:03:45]

sandeen_:

TSCHAK, google can be helpful :)

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lwizardl:

is there a limit to how many cards mythtv can use? (besides the limit of pci slots)

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GreyFoxx:

lwizardl: no

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lwizardl:

cool

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GreyFoxx:

you can also put cards into other slave backends

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GreyFoxx:

your limitations are slots, bandwidth, and drivers long long before

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Torg:

umm I belvie you can use up to 6 devices without changint he dvb code

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sandeen_:

how does one configure myth to automatically zoom various image sizes to fullscreen?

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Torg:

but yes put them into slaves

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baxter_kylie:

If trying to make an iso from a dvd what would the cli tool of choice be?

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Torg:

isolinux?

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xris:

dd?

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baxter_kylie:

xris: dd will output an actual iso?

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baxter_kylie:

Torg: no idea what that is but it doesn't exist in portage.

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xris:

well, a dvd isn't "iso" formatted, so no

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baxter_kylie:

xris: right, it's udf

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xris:

it *will* make a disk image, though

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fryfrog:

i think cdrecord is what you want

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fryfrog:

it'll make a dvd fs afaik

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baxter_kylie:

xris: Not sure I understand the fine line. For some reason mkisofs doesn't want to play nice. It keeps giving me read errors and it's not the drive and it's not the disc. I can only assume there's some kind of encryption scheme or something.

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riddlebox:

how do I get the channel to display along with the name of the program when I am changing channels in live tv?

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baxter_kylie:

Ahh. NM. It is encrypted. I needed dvdbackup

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riddlebox:

hmm none of my channel guide stuff matches the tv?

[23:37:15]

baxter_kylie:

riddlebox: Welcome to my world. Are you picking up signals that are not part of your official package (and or on OTA)?

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riddlebox:

baxter_kylie, the weird thing is that when I go to live tv, it starts at channel 2, but the info on the bottom doesnt tell me the channel and it is off by like 2 channels?

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Torg:

you cant actualy read the disk without the key, so no

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Zider:

ah, I thought that was just inside the filesystem

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Torg:

ive never really treied but I know the drive needs the key not just the software

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kormoc:

you can read the disk without the key just fine... just can't play it back

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riddlebox:

my channel info is showing for two channels behind?

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baxter_kylie:

Apparently, dvdbackup will decrypt it to a folder on my hdd and then mkisofs can make the proper iso image.

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kormoc:

personally, I just use dd and let the playback engine figure out the key and it works fine

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kormoc:

but I don't reburn them

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baxter_kylie:

kormoc: And I have no desire to reburn either.

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kormoc:

dd if=/dev/dvddrive of=movie.iso

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hads:

movie.img :)

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kormoc:

heh, eather/or :P

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** sandeen_ saves a bit of room by only archiving the main title... **

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riddlebox:

do you do a mythfilldatabase with the backend down or up?

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** baxter_kylie will likely eventually do that sandeen, but has 4TB unused and can afford the space atm. **

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Torg:

up

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riddlebox:

Torg, thats what I hjave been doing but for some reason my system is two channels behind on the info? and it doesnt even show the channel number?

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Torg:

what is your grabber?

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riddlebox:

ahh now I got it!, I set the channels inside myth, but I deleted those and just had my zap2it take care of it!

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Torg:

myth wil delte zap2it channels it cant match

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Torg:

and it matches soly on xmltvid

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Torg:

if your channels are off so are your xmltvid's for each channel

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riddlebox:

well I told myth to scan for channels

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riddlebox:

but I went in and deleted all of those then went to the zap2it page and had it fetch listings and now it works

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