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Saturday, March 31st, 2007, 00:03 UTC

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Kritter:

I have mono sound.

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Kritter:

on a digital output.

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Kritter:

and myth won't use the remote but irw does see the signals.

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JoeyJoeJo:

kritter: about your remote, do you have an lircrc file?

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Kritter:

yeah

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Der_Thomas:

Are you using irxevent?

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Kritter:

... no?

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Der_Thomas:

myth does not read lirc directly

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Kritter:

I've got a usbmce2 so have stuck a bunch of configs for it in mythtv's home.

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Der_Thomas:

you have to run the sepreate irxevent which changes remote control inputs to keyboard buttons

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Der_Thomas:

pushes

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Der_Thomas:

you map your remote buttons to keystrokes that is how myth uses the remote from lirc

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thylacine222:

Are you sure that the user that runs mythfrontend has access to /dev/lirc?

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Der_Thomas:

oh and your lircrc file has to use "prog = irxevent" not "prog = mythtv"

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Kritter:

well which irxevent shows nothing.

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Kritter:

lucien:/home/kritter# ls -al /dev/lirc*

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Kritter:

crw-rw---- 1 root video 61, 0 2007-03–31 02:41 /dev/lirc0

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Kritter:

srw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 2007-03–30 19:19 /dev/lircd

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Der_Thomas:

does anyone around here know anything about mythArchive? I'm getting an error that kepps me from burning a disk

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Der_Thomas:

yeah you have to setup an lircrc file then run "irxevent /your/path/to/lircrc"

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Der_Thomas:

then when you push remote buttons you will see the optput from the way they are mapped. For example,

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Kritter:

why the heck to do these configs list prog mythtv then.

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Kritter:

irxevent is now installed.

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Der_Thomas:

I have my aux button mapped to 'z' so once I have run irxevent and I press aux I get a Z just like I typed it

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Der_Thomas:

yeah I saw that before too with the prog = mythtv, not sure why that was in examples

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Der_Thomas:

OK anyone here have games working on Myth?

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Kritter:

games is next. the sound has me annoyed.

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Kritter:

but trying to fix the sound without a remote is really annoying :)

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Der_Thomas:

yeah fist things first

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Kritter:

this is nuts.

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thylacine222:

Kritter: Did you select independantly mute channels on the sound page?

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Kritter:

nope

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Kritter:

pretty sure I didn't.

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Kritter:

I've been toggling alot lately, and should double check.

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thylacine222:

*independently

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thylacine222:

Hm..

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thylacine222:

What's your mixer device?

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thylacine222:

And output device, while you're there.

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Kritter:

even when I do it with an alsa cmdline I get mono

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Kritter:

so I suspect it's deeper than myth.

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thylacine222:

What's the output of aplay -l

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thylacine222:

?

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Kritter:

**** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****

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Kritter:

card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC883 Analog [ALC883 Analog] Subdevices: 0/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

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Kritter:

card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 2: ALC883 Digital [ALC883 Digital] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

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TheAsp:

Anyone know a way to test a .mpg (mpeg2ts) for interlaced frames?

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thylacine222:

Hmm...

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thylacine222:

It seems like your card has lots of problems with alsa.

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Kritter:

I saw a large page on 'work arounds' but nothing said 'mono'

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thylacine222:

You mean the mythtv page?

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Kritter:

yeah

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Kritter:

didn't want to start following stuff that might not apply and might well muddy the situation

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thylacine222:

Wait, does the audio reciever actually say that it's recieving mono sound?

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thylacine222:

Like does it say PCM 1.0?

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Kritter:

it doesn't feed me that detail.

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Kritter:

I get no sound at all if I toggle the balance over to the one speaker

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Kritter:

reciever/speaker works fine for another source

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thylacine222:

Is the other one digital?

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Kritter:

and I've even switched inputs for the mythbox

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Kritter:

yeap.

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thylacine222:

I would suggest just trying the workaround, from what it says, it can't do any harm.

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thylacine222:

All it does is mute the spdif, play a sound, and unmute it.

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thylacine222:

What version of alsa do you have?

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Kritter:

sorry had to go fix a browser problem.

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Kritter:

whatever is bundled with debian-etch

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Kritter:

but I should test this speaker...

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Kritter:

ok, ignore the sound problem for now, I might have done some bad debugging on the physical side.

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emcnabb:

this may be obvious, but I'm not seeing it. If I tag several recording with "/", how do I delete the tagged messages? (if I right click -> delete, it just deletes that file)

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Captain_Murdoch:

delete the tagged recordings by using the MENU key and going to Playlist Options and selecting the Delete button

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Kritter:

k, may well ahve a dead speaker.

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Kritter:

back to lirc

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Kritter:

lucien:/home/mythtv# more .xinitrc

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Kritter:

irxevent /home/mythtv/.lircrc &

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Kritter:

look right?

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emcnabb:

Captain_Murdoch: thanks, worked great

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Der_Thomas:

kritter: yeah thats right

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Kritter:

and I assume restart the front end so mythtv logs back in and actually sparks the .xinitrc

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Der_Thomas:

now if you push buttons in the console you should see key presses from the key mappings in your lircrc

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Kritter:

no joy.

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Kritter:

and it's not even running according to ps.

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Der_Thomas:

try it w/o the &

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Como|Lappy:

any of you know why a system thats not /doing/ anything would refuse to spin down the hard drive?

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thylacine222:

Are you getting any error messages from mythfrontend?

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kormoc:

Como|Lappy, cause it's not not doing anything?

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thylacine222:

To Kritter, I mean.

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Kritter:

only about the pictures directory, which I've just not fixed yet.

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thylacine222:

Does mythtv say it has successfully loaded the .lircrc file?

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Kritter:

under the impression that it will not, and that ixrevent needs to be running to catch the keys.

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Kritter:

but no, it's not saying anything about lircrc

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thylacine222:

Wait, before you tried irxevent, did you try making a ~/.mythtv/lircrc file?

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Kritter:

~/.mythtv?

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thylacine222:

That's how I have it.

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Kritter:

you mean ~/mythtv... not .mythtv?

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thylacine222:

My mythtv has a .mythtv folder, I don't know about how yours was installed.

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thylacine222:

It should be in your home directory.

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Kritter:

funky.

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Kritter:

how twisted to put a .user folder in user

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Kritter:

but makes more sense if your mythtv user isn't named mythtv

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thylacine222:

Yeah

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Kritter:

no change.

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thylacine222:

Does it say that it has loaded the file?

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Kritter:

it doesn't say it, but I honestly don't see anywhere it would

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Kritter:

mythfrontend doesnt' seem to have a log in /var/log

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thylacine222:

It would just say "loaded blahblahblah/lircrc"

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thylacine222:

That's strange.

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Kritter:

just splash it up on the gui/x-display?

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thylacine222:

No, in the console output/

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thylacine222:

Oh, you have to run mythfrontend, I'm not sure it has logs.

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Kritter:

ah, well I wouldn't see that, the mythtv users xsession autostarts mythfrontend.

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thylacine222:

Forgot "in the console"

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thylacine222:

You can just quit mythfrontend and then run it again from the console.

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t0ny-p40:

I have house recording and when I try to skip it goes to 9 min

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t0ny-p40:

even if I try to go backwards

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Kritter:

well what text is visible on the starting console does not mention lircrc

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GreyFoxx:

I think I spy with my little eye a bug in mythvideos image caching

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onewheelskyward:

It takes real talent to speak of code in prose.

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brianw_:

can mythvideo's internal player show subtitles?

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sandeen_:

hey all. is there any tool to get info about the format of the mpeg files myth saves... for some reason, I have one show that I just cannot play back reliably

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sandeen_:

this is from a digital tuner

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sandeen_:

no idea what is the difffrence

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xris:

sandeen_: "digital tuner"? as in dvb? could just be from a bad signal

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t0ny-p40:

Wtf, all my new shows I can go backwards and it skips like 10 20 mins at a timme

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sandeen_:

dvb, yes

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sandeen_:

xris, video seems fine, audio is choppy

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sandeen_:

a show recorded right before that (granted, on another channel) is just fine

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sandeen_:

but there are no video artifacts....

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xris:

sandeen_: another channel is a whole other world.

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sandeen_:

sure

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sandeen_:

but i'd think that with a bad signal would come some video problems too

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JoeyJoeJo:

does mythvideo support subtitles or multiple audio tracks?

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sandeen_:

and, if I transfer it to my mac & play it under vlc, it's fine

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xris:

dunno. if it's dvb, the file is the exact same signal that's transmitted over the air. the card just pulls it out and sticks it onto the hard drive.

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sandeen_:

xris, right, but wondering if there's more for myth to do

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xris:

JoeyJoeJo: "mythvideo" just calls whatever player you have configured

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sandeen_:

like filtering out other languages or anything like that...?

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sandeen_:

though this was local news so probably not :)

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xris:

sandeen_: shouldn't really be. it's all handled by the driver.

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JoeyJoeJo:

xris: sorry, I meant to ask about it's internal player

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sandeen_:

xris, I just don't get it. it's always this show. I completely defragged it just in case, rebooted... still, can't play it back

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** sandeen_ is stumped **

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xris:

no clue if it supports subtitles for non-dvd.

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Der_Thomas:

Anyone around that knows anything about MythArchive?

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sandeen_:

Der_Thomas, I've used it :

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Der_Thomas:

I am getting an error when trying to burn a DVD

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sandeen_:

er, wait, no I haven't :)

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Der_Thomas:

hmmm

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Der_Thomas:

Anyone here ever burn a DVD with Myth?

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sandeen_:

xris, are the mpegs that come over dvb all pretty standard, or are there variations on um... codecs, or subchannels, or...

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** sandeen_ waves his hands, out of his league **

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xris:

sandeen_: all standard, except for the new HD stuff coming out in h.264

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sandeen_:

weird.

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Der_Thomas:

OK well anyone play games with Myth?

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Der_Thomas:

I'm having problems with that too

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JoeyJoeJo:

der_thomas: I've attempted to

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GreyFoxx:

Der_Thomas: I use mythgame a fair bit

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** sandeen_ needs to find his cd of old MAME roms **

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JoeyJoeJo:

sandeen: cd? you don't have nearly all of them, thats for sure

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Der_Thomas:

OK, I have zsnes, and a few ROMS that I can play with it outside of myth, but after configuring zsens to play in myth and giving it the ROM path, no ROMS show up in the play games menu

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Der_Thomas:

anyone have any ideas?

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JoeyJoeJo:

did you scan for games?

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GreyFoxx:

then scan for games

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Der_Thomas:

yep I did that

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Der_Thomas:

my ROMS are on a VFAT drive, could that be a problem?

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JoeyJoeJo:

that I don't know

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Der_Thomas:

I only have smc ROMS, but I left the file type blank besause I didn't know the format of what to put in here and it said that blank = *.*

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GreyFoxx:

Can you do an ls on the path containing the roms as the same user you are running mythfrontend as ?

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JoeyJoeJo:

if I was you, I'd try copying one of the roms to an ext or reiser partition and try that.. you never know if it might work

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Der_Thomas:

yeah, I'm trying that right now

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Der_Thomas:

I actually think that this is my problem with MythArchive too, it tried to CHMOD files that are on a VFAT partition and then dies with errors

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Der_Thomas:

I just can't believe that I'm the first person ever to have a VFAT mounted drive

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sandeen_:

xris, hrm. quicktime can't play back that mpeg....

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** sandeen_ ponders **

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xris:

sandeen_: try vlc

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sandeen_:

xris, vlc works

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sandeen_:

but i was wondering if maybe it's more tolerant..

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xris:

probably just a lot of errors

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xris:

and yes, vlc is very tolerant. so is mythtv

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sandeen_:

hmm

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sandeen_:

would mythfrontend logs tell me if it found errors?

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Der_Thomas:

OK PROBLEM FIXED. IT DID NOT HAVE TO DO WITH MYTH OF VFAT – IT WAS OPERATOR ERROR l~)

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Der_Thomas:

I am still looking for help with my MythArchive problem though

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JoeyJoeJo:

what happens with mytharchive?

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Der_Thomas:

here is my log file – http://pastebin.ca/417741

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Der_Thomas:

it looks like it is trying to chmod my whole partition where it is doing work, but the parittion is a VFAT

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Der_Thomas:

eventually it dies trying to chmod VFAT files

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JoeyJoeJo:

looks to me like those files either aren't writeable by the mythfrontend user, or can't be chmodded since they're vfat (I don't know much about the inner workings of vfat)

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Der_Thomas:

yeah that is what I thought, I just don't see anywhere where they say that Myth can only work with ext or rieser etc...

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LoneShadow2:

how do I get the mythvideo to show jpeg instead of the folder icon ?

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LoneShadow2:

tried having test_one.jpg under test_one folder

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TheAsp:

Der_Thomas: vfat isn't usable by most stuff, it's not like a unx filesystem

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LoneShadow2:

dosnt seem to work

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Der_Thomas:

yeah, but it is jsut writing some files – why does it need to chmod?

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JoeyJoeJo:

what is the advantage of using opengl as the paint engine rather than qt?

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TheAsp:

fading effects

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JoeyJoeJo:

how does it work? I turned on opengl, but it doesn't fade

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JoeyJoeJo:

nvm, had to restart the frontend

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GreyFoxx:

LoneShadow2: call it folder.jpg

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GreyFoxx:

In the Gallery view mythvideo looks for a folder.jpg inside of a directory to display as the icon for that folder

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GreyFoxx:

or .png, and I think .gif

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LoneShadow2:

yea I have folder named as test_one

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LoneShadow2:

which has test_one.avi, test_one.srt and test_one.jpg

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LoneShadow2:

sounds like I need a diff folder to hold the jpegs

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LoneShadow2:

let me try the folder names without _

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GreyFoxx:

no

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GreyFoxx:

Imean the name has to be "folder.jpg"

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LoneShadow2:

oh

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LoneShadow2:

lol

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LoneShadow2:

ok :D

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GreyFoxx:

I just started filling in icons for shows I've archived

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LoneShadow2:

also when I click on the folder

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LoneShadow2:

it shows me all the files in it

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LoneShadow2:

can I make it such that when I click on a folder, it picks the movie directly

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GreyFoxx:

LoneShadow2: That depends

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GreyFoxx:

are you set to browse the file system?

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LoneShadow2:

gallery mode

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GreyFoxx:

No, I mean do you have it set to browse the file system. It's a seperate option for list, browser and gallery

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LoneShadow2:

oh

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GreyFoxx:

There is also a setting called "Show Unknown file types" that you will want to turn off

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LoneShadow2:

that removed the .srt and jpg files :D

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LoneShadow2:

but it still behaves as a folder

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GreyFoxx:

What do you mean ?

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LoneShadow2:

so now it shows folder with the right jpeg in it (in gallery view)

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LoneShadow2:

when I click on it

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LoneShadow2:

it opens up as a folder, with avi file in it

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GreyFoxx:

That's what it's suppose to do

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GreyFoxx:

It wont autoplay the contents of the folder

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LoneShadow2:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

Considering almost all folders contain more than 1 file :)

[03:29:10]

GreyFoxx:

Are you sure you don't just want to associate the image directly with the file instead of the folder ?

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LoneShadow2:

I am trying that right now

[03:30:26]

LoneShadow2:

clicked on cover art

[03:30:31]

LoneShadow2:

dosnt show me any pictures though

[03:30:42]

LoneShadow2:

does it skip folder.jpg ?

[03:31:00]

GreyFoxx:

I don't know what part of the menus you are referring to

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GreyFoxx:

ESpecially since I don't actually "click" on anything :)

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LoneShadow2:

I am still using the keyboard :D

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LoneShadow2:

I went to metadata edit on the video file

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LoneShadow2:

where it asks for Name, Category, Parent Control... Cover Art

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GreyFoxx:

The coverart option will show files in the configured mythvideo cover poster location, not from the same directory the file is in

[03:33:28]

jcopper:

I am running ubuntu edgy and wondering if I need to manually install alsa to get 5.0 digital sound

[03:33:56]

jcopper:

I had it running under dapper and now I forgot what I did

[03:34:06]

LoneShadow2:

is cover art the picture association to the movie you were talking about ?

[03:34:30]

GreyFoxx:

yes

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LoneShadow2:

so where do I keep the images ?

[03:34:56]

GreyFoxx:

Whever you told mythvideo it is

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Kritter:

the image directory is set in the config.

[03:35:07]

GreyFoxx:

"Directory that holds the movie posters"

[03:37:06]

GreyFoxx:

All of my movies I got the info and covers via the imdb lookups

[03:38:05]

Der_Thomas:

Anyone know a good stop to get SNES roms or even better old C-64 games?

[03:38:21]

Der_Thomas:

now that I got games working I WANT MORE!!

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Kritter:

Der_Thomas: check torrent networks?

[03:38:44]

Der_Thomas:

I'm dying to play c-64 winter games

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Der_Thomas:

that was my fave when I was about 10

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Der_Thomas:

yeah I've noticed that

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onewheelskyward:

hehe

[03:41:08]

onewheelskyward:

Yeah I discovered a depot the other day.

[03:41:18]

onewheelskyward:

Actually...do you have newsgroup access?

[03:41:29]

onewheelskyward:

The alt.binaries.emulator.* groups are an endless source of good roms.

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xris:

onewheelskyward: please don't talk about illegal stuff here

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onewheelskyward:

Sorry, xris.

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Der_Thomas:

well I don't think it is illegal if you own these games and I owned about every c-64 games there was

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Der_Thomas:

...but soryy to bring this up

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LoneShadow2:

cool thanks :D

[03:44:11]

LoneShadow2:

GreyFoxx: do you dvd rip movies and store them ?

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LoneShadow2:

trying to figure out what kind of tools to use and get good quality for movies under 2gb

[03:46:13]

bobc:

I've been getting errors of MythSocket(83aba88:24): readStringList: Error, timeout.

[03:46:28]

bobc:

does anyone have any idea what could be causing it?

[03:47:02]

bobc:

that's followed by Connection to backend server lost

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bobc:

I'm getting them after the frontend sits in the watch recording screen for a little while with the preview video on

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m13a8:

i'm currently having problems playing back tv on mythtv it says something like this :unknown video codec [skip a few lines] assuming RTjpeg for now; unknown audio codec

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GreyFoxx:

LoneShadow2: I have ripped most of my DVD's and converted them to Xvids

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m13a8:

and it says to set up the playpack profiles but as i understand it my card only does mpeg2 (hauppage pvr 150)

[03:55:16]

Kritter:

speaking of dvd's with myth, anyone know how to get around ARccoS?

[03:56:37]

GreyFoxx:

LoneShadow2: I got sick of digging up DVD's :) Especially since my daughter always wants her movies. This way they are all available all the time from all TV's without her destroying them :)

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Der_Thomas:

hahaha

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LoneShadow2:

so the default dvd movie size is like 4 to 8gb right ? whats your xvid file sizes like ?

[03:57:52]

GreyFoxx:

700m to 1.4g

[03:57:53]

Der_Thomas:

I'm really tryin not to laugh about getting yelled at for talking about video game roms form 1980's but we all can talk about cracking DVD protections schemes

[03:57:55]

Kritter:

most folks go for around 700meg for a rip.

[03:58:01]

GreyFoxx:

I pick it depending on how long the show is

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NJigelli:

can mythtv stream video from rar files like xbmc can?

[03:58:10]

GreyFoxx:

NJigelli: Nope

[03:58:15]

NJigelli:

wow...

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Der_Thomas:

funny stuff here

[03:58:24]

NJigelli:

and people say its good

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LoneShadow2:

what resolution do you guys run your myth setup in ?

[03:58:38]

Kritter:

Der_Thomas: well technically the dvd protection schemes aren't world wide, but the copyright law likely is.

[03:58:52]

GreyFoxx:

NJigelli: In almost 5 years you are the very first person I've every seen ask about it, so I don't think it's high on the desired feature list :)

[03:59:00]

LoneShadow2:

I have connected thru VGA to my 46" tv

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LoneShadow2:

700MB files look pretty bad

[03:59:14]

GreyFoxx:

LoneShadow2: 720x480

[03:59:16]

Der_Thomas:

yeah , know, just funny to me

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GreyFoxx:

When I move up to something bigger I'll consider reencoding. Until then I'm quite happy with these

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NJigelli:

its like the best feature ever invented

[04:03:53]

NJigelli:

i hate unraring my linux isos before i watch them

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Kritter:

that would be CommFlagging

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GreyFoxx:

NJigelli: then don't rar them in the first place ;)

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GreyFoxx:

Seriously though, I understand how it would be convient, but I've never seen anyone ask here or on the 2 mailing lists, so there isn't a high demand for it

[04:05:22]

GreyFoxx:

Though feel ree to code it up :)

[04:07:43]

m13a8:

another problem: i think mpeg-2 is supposed to show up as a useable codec for my card in mythfrontend but it doesn't. has anyone else had this problem?

[04:08:26]

seravitae:

hm, i just installed mythtv, it says cannot connect to X display. I'm trying to get mythtv running on my existing user's X display, anyone could point me in the right direction of what to do?

[04:08:39]

xris:

seravitae: error messages help

[04:09:27]

seravitae:

mythtv@eureka:~$ mythtv-setup

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seravitae:

mythtv-setup: cannot connect to X server

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Kritter:

you are running that in an xterm or similar as the mythtv user?

[04:09:50]

seravitae:

the setup told me '..otherwise arrange for that user to have access to your X display'

[04:09:59]

seravitae:

yes, xterm as my standard user

[04:10:10]

seravitae:

i wish to run mythtv on my standard user, not logout and login as mythtv

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xris:

seravitae: so run mythtv-setup as yourself instead of as the mythtv user

[04:15:40]

seravitae:

ok

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xris:

X has built-in security to prevent other users from stealing your X session... you can/should only ever run things as yourself.

[04:16:10]

seravitae:

yeah, it runs

[04:16:20]

seravitae:

hmm, but it cant connect to the mysql database

[04:16:25]

seravitae:

hundreds of errors

[04:17:14]

Kritter:

did you give your user perms to the database?

[04:17:33]

seravitae:

i'll be honest and say my first experience with mysql was last night heh

[04:17:49]

seravitae:

so i'm a bit new to it.

[04:17:54]

seravitae:

read that as a 'no, and im not sure how'

[04:19:36]

Kritter:

seravitae: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=426444

[04:20:55]

seravitae:

...okay, that seems reasonable

[04:21:08]

seravitae:

except my myth-tv user doesn't have a .mythtv directory.

[04:21:51]

Kritter:

might want to consider logging in as mythtv and setting it up as that user then worrying about running it as someone else.

[04:21:56]

seravitae:

yeah

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seravitae:

brb then

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Kritter:

now someone tell me where I put my dvd....

[04:22:39]

** Kritter hunts around the room s'more. **

[04:23:08]

seravitae:

Err. it won't let me login.

[04:23:28]

seravitae:

the user/pass 'mythtv' doesnt work, blank password doesn't work..

[04:23:36]

xris:

seravitae: what distro?

[04:23:40]

seravitae:

Ubuntu edgy

[04:23:47]

seravitae:

i used the appropriate package for it

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xris:

the ubuntu packages create a random password for the mythtv user

[04:24:13]

xris:

look in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt (I think)

[04:24:18]

seravitae:

hm

[04:24:46]

seravitae:

i should just be able to move that file then then

[04:25:14]

xris:

why move it?

[04:25:15]

seravitae:

to my user dir

[04:25:17]

seravitae:

well, copy.

[04:25:20]

xris:

why?

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xris:

no need

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seravitae:

.. to run it as my normal user though?

[04:25:34]

xris:

no

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xris:

/etc/ is global

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seravitae:

right

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xris:

only thing in ~/.mythtv/ should be stuff like cached theme images

[04:25:55]

seravitae:

is ee

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seravitae:

ok, got the password.

[04:26:20]

seravitae:

does the user password correspond directly to the mythtv mysql password?

[04:26:24]

xris:

did you install mythtv at the same time that you installed mysql?

[04:26:29]

seravitae:

yes

[04:26:41]

xris:

no, mysql password is separate (which is why it's stored in that file for mythtv to get at)

[04:26:48]

seravitae:

well

[04:26:53]

seravitae:

i can't even login to the mythtv user

[04:26:59]

seravitae:

that's the problem.. i logged out but i couldn't login.

[04:27:06]

Kritter:

sudo passwd mythtv

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xris:

ok, if you're new to all of this, it's going to be easiest if you remove/reinstall mythtv...

[04:27:33]

seravitae:

well, it updated. ill try this, if it doesnt work ill uninstall it

[04:27:36]

seravitae:

sec

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xris:

the ubuntu packages try to set up the database stuff for you, but if you install things all at once, mysql isn't running so the mythtv packages can't connect and set up the mythtv datatase.

[04:28:20]

Kritter:

I suspect his taking shortcuts is gonna bite him on the ass

[04:30:05]

seravitae:

right, it logged in, it found the mysql.txt files and loaded the right password

[04:30:16]

tank-man:

why does the maintainer of the ubuntu package make the mysql password random?

[04:30:29]

seravitae:

yet still couldnt connect. i did just get a message in my normal user telling me to run dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database

[04:30:45]

seravitae:

of which i still get a can't connect to local mysql server, so i assume its not running..

[04:31:10]

xris:

tank-man: so that there aren't a whole bunch of mysql databases out there with "mythtv" for the login and password

[04:31:12]

xris:

it's both good and bad

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xris:

seravitae: sounds like mysql isn't running

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seravitae:

yeah

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xris:

sudo /etc/init.d/mysql restart

[04:31:37]

seravitae:

mysql_client_test shows same thing

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** xris doesn't know how to make it auto-start in ubuntu **

[04:32:07]

seravitae:

...mysql is not even there. wtf.

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seravitae:

.. i just apt-get install mysql-server and it's downloading it now. wtf? you'd think it'd be a dependancy..

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xris:

seravitae: nope.. don't have to run mysql on the same box as mythtv

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Kritter:

you could be building a front end.

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seravitae:

oh. yeah.

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thylacine222:

Kritter: did you ever figure your problem out?

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seravitae:

i see now.

[04:33:46]

Kritter:

the sound one? yes.

[04:33:52]

Kritter:

and most of the lirc one.

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thylacine222:

Cool

[04:34:03]

seravitae:

ie you could run a box with all the files, the sql database and just have any clients login to share the same music and stuff.

[04:34:17]

seravitae:

i need to get a usb lirc adapter soon

[04:34:30]

seravitae:

i got given like 5 creative infra remotes

[04:34:31]

Kritter:

now I the lirc file I have is not 'perfect' in that fast forward seems to go backwards, which the file implies not. and I don't have lirc in xine.

[04:35:07]

Kritter:

and the buttons seem to have a hellishly fast repeat on them.

[04:35:10]

Kritter:

that might just be me.

[04:36:04]

tank-man:

you can change that settting

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Kritter:

the repeat?

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tank-man:

yes

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tank-man:

in ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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Kritter:

heh. course. :)

[04:38:02]

thylacine222:

Yeah, just put "repeat=3" in each button.

[04:38:14]

thylacine222:

That's what I have, at least, might be different for you.

[04:39:30]

thylacine222:

And you can have lirc in xine, if you add more things to the bottom that have "prog = xine"

[04:39:53]

Kritter:

yes, the lircrc file I copied has xine for dvd playback.

[04:39:58]

Kritter:

but mplayer for videos

[04:40:17]

Kritter:

and I've done xine for videos, so need to adjust it.

[04:40:31]

Kritter:

expect to use internal for dvds, or shocker, my dvd player.

[04:41:01]

Kritter:

considering I've already found a dvd that mythtv can't play even though I'm not in a decss applied conutry.

[04:41:17]

Squeee:

I'm trying to get a mythfrontened working in ubuntu connecting from my laptop to my backend in the other room, i can connect with the mysql command, but not the mythfrontend. Where can i change the initial setting where mythfrontend wants to connect to localhost (i've changed /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt)

[04:41:43]

Kritter:

did you run myth-setup?

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Squeee:

the backend works with the frontend that is on that computer. with mythfrontend only it doesn't have myth-setup

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Squeee:

Kritter: my wireless dropped did you get my message?

[04:44:04]

Kritter:

yes

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Kritter:

I just seem to recall myth-setup having that very question about databases.

[04:44:32]

Kritter:

but I could well be wrong. I've only be doing this for 2days.

[04:44:49]

Squeee:

I thoguht so too but i can't find it on my system. I think it is just for connecting multiple backends together

[04:45:41]

Der_Thomas:

Kritter: PS, thanks for the link

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seravitae:

okay, i installed mysql-server, it's now running

[04:46:20]

seravitae:

i tested as my user, with the default pass, the /etc/mythtv/ related password, and both give access denied

[04:46:28]

seravitae:

i logged into mythtv account properly and also got the same error

[04:46:59]

Der_Thomas:

c-ya kids good night

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seravitae:

QMYSQL3: Unable to connect

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seravitae:

Database error was:

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seravitae:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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Kritter:

and we have minimal lirc in xine.

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seravitae:

mysql-admin lets me connect though, with mysql/(random pass)

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seravitae:

the mythconverg table is empty though. not sure if its meant to be populated yet or not

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Juzzy:

seravitae

[04:55:22]

Juzzy:

you can connect, but do you have access?

[04:55:50]

seravitae:

woohoo fixed it

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Juzzy:

glad I could help :p

[04:56:04]

seravitae:

that was really weird.

[04:56:08]

seravitae:

Heh.

[04:56:47]

xris:

seravitae: it should be empty. mythtv will create everything it needs.

[04:57:03]

seravitae:

yeah

[04:57:26]

seravitae:

suddenly ~/.mythtv appeared, but the mysql password in the file was different, so i changed it back

[04:57:54]

seravitae:

except, 'cannot create a file /var/lib/mythtv//.test – directory is not writable

[04:58:04]

seravitae:

i guess if i add my user to mythtv it will be okay

[04:58:26]

xris:

seravitae: wtf is it putting stuff into /var/lib/mythtv for...

[04:58:33]

seravitae:

NFI.

[04:58:53]

seravitae:

wierd my user is already in the mythtv group

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tank-man:

why is it wierd?

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seravitae:

if i run myth-tv as root it works though, but thats highly icky

[05:00:31]

seravitae:

because if my user is in the mythtv group it should be able to access /var/lib/mythtv as the permissions are mythtv/mythtv

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seravitae:

great more problems

[05:04:09]

seravitae:

root@eureka:/home/seravitae# /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend

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seravitae:

Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

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Juzzy:

have ssl turned on?

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seravitae:

hm

[05:04:51]

seravitae:

in mythtv or my pc?

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Juzzy:

mysqld

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Juzzy:

and/or configured in mythtv

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seravitae:

hm

[05:05:24]

seravitae:

not sure

[05:05:33]

Juzzy:

is it running on the same server?

[05:05:37]

seravitae:

yeah

[05:05:40]

Juzzy:

k

[05:06:13]

Juzzy:

shit im falling asleep

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Juzzy:

I'm out

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seravitae:

nite

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Juzzy:

night

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Juzzy:

goodluck with that

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seravitae:

ta

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tank-man:

seravitae, looks like you are doing a lot of work to install packages for mythtv, why not just install from source

[05:07:41]

seravitae:

i will try that later if i cant get it going

[05:07:53]

seravitae:

this is just to fiddle with. ill be building a multmedia box soon

[05:11:38]

seravitae:

hmm

[05:11:51]

seravitae:

it says ports 6543 for backend

[05:11:54]

tank-man:

why do you have a cron job to run mythbackend? or is that for something else?

[05:12:03]

seravitae:

because mythtv-setup told me to run it

[05:12:21]

seravitae:

"If this is the master backend server, please run /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend' as root ot populate the database

[05:12:39]

seravitae:

thats when i get the authentication rejected thing

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tank-man:

i think that is running mythfilldatabase then

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seravitae:

yeah it is

[05:13:26]

seravitae:

its running mythtv -c "mythfilldatabase --quiet"

[05:14:06]

seravitae:

im running it manually without --quiet

[05:14:29]

seravitae:

same deail. authentication rejected, then a black screen which goes away.

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seravitae:

2007-03–31 15:14:05.901 RingBuf(mythfilldatabase): Could not open mythfilldatabase.

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tank-man:

authentication for what? the mysql db?

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seravitae:

i have no idea. it's not exactly telling me a whole lot

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juski:

morning

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tank-man:

good morning

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juski:

you know this: Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

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juski:

mine says that too & you know what... it works just fine!

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seravitae:

the mythtv app works fine

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seravitae:

but it keeps erroring saying cant connect to backend server

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tank-man:

is the backend running?

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juski:

yeah is the backend running?

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seravitae:

how can I check?

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juski:

ps -ef |grep mythbackend

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tank-man:

ps aux| grep mythbackend

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seravitae:

err it wasnt runnign wierd. i think i udnerstand now

[05:17:34]

juski:

when I've upgraded or installed a new box I always just run mythbackend in a terminal for testing – you save yourself the hassle of looking in the logs then ;)

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seravitae:

okay mythtv loads alright now, i get some message about using all available inputs for the channel i selected

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seravitae:

then mythtv closes.

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tank-man:

did you setup a input in mythtv-setup?

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juski:

you're running 'mythtv'? you need to be running 'mythfrontend'

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seravitae:

i set an input but im not interested in tv.. its cool though, frontend is working now

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seravitae:

metadata.o: You don't seem to have any tracks. That's ok with me if it's ok with you.

[05:19:32]

seravitae:

on scan new music. don't think it let me choose where to scan though

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juski:

jees you really don't wanna be using mythtv if you don't want tv functions, believe me

[05:19:53]

seravitae:

ahh i got it now

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seravitae:

juski: this is just to get my bearings, i am building a media box

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seravitae:

hdtv bla bla.

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juski:

you set where music is stored in utils/setup > setup > media setup > music > general

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seravitae:

yeah

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seravitae:

just found that :) seems to be going now

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juski:

same kind of thing for videos & the gallery too

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seravitae:

yeah

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juski:

damn I need to be in screen again

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seravitae:

cool, it's playing music and all that.

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seravitae:

what's really awesome is that it's running on my other screen

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seravitae:

if i could 'train/force' ubuntu to not load any applications on the screen underneath it, i wouldnt even need a new pc.

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juski:

YMMV running mythtv on a dual-headed system, especially with hdtv

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seravitae:

hm?

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seravitae:

ah yeah

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juski:

meaning your video card may not be able to provide accelerated video on all screens

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seravitae:

dual video cards ;)

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juski:

folks can have problems playing back video on one screen & using a web browser on another – stuff like scrolling interrupts the video

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juski:

wise move, seravitae :)

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seravitae:

well, i seem to have zilch problems either way.. even with one video card in here, i watch movies in full screen whilst running beryl with all the trimmings

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seravitae:

and work on up to 3 screens

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seravitae:

@ 400fps. :)

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seravitae:

now just gotta iron out the bugs with vlc

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seravitae:

hell yeah, it works

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seravitae:

wierd though

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seravitae:

/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start

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seravitae:

gives that wierd authentication error again

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seravitae:

running mythbackend though works fine.

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seravitae:

i think its because it's trying to execute it as the mythtv user.i just entered the mythtv user and it says start-stop-daemon: Unable to set initgroups() with gid 115 (Operation not permitted)

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seravitae:

so obviously the mythtv user can't run it

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seravitae:

but im satisfied for now :)

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chuggs:

gid 115 seems awfully low to be a regular user account ? or is it just me

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seravitae:

anyone use a serial LIRC dongle?

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seravitae:

mythtv is gid115

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seravitae:

if i run as mythtv user it gives me that unable to set error. as root i get the authentication rejected error

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Dagmar:

Yeah, the docs cover it pretty well

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Dagmar:

seravitea: Bitch at the people in #Ubuntu for not setting up sudo in a sane way

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seravitae:

heh

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seravitae:

i wish to have a usb lirc device, but to be honest i've tried to build usb devices in the past and it's really hardcore.

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seravitae:

would a serial lirc device work with a usb-rs232 converter?

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Dagmar:

Generally not

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Dagmar:

Read the lirc site and they tell you so

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seravitae:

hm ok

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seravitae:

i'd rather buy something that works then. usb development is for the devil

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juski:

yeh usb is more convoluted than sata, and *that* is bad

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seravitae:

ive tried for 2 years now to get a USB device working

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seravitae:

like at least 5 different already-supposedly-working HID devices

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seravitae:

nothing. i f**ing hate usb.

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tripppy:

orb is a reason to use windows and a usb tv tuner

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seravitae:

orb?

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tripppy:

www.orb.com

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tripppy:

its pretty good

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tripppy:

i can watch shit on my mobile at work using orb.

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juski:

what a load of bollocks

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tripppy:

from my home pc

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tripppy:

mmm

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tripppy:

sorry

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juski:

maybe it's not so bad- they say 'free download' after all

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tripppy:

well it works

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juski:

you can tell they're gonna charge money for it at some point though

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tripppy:

just not on my webenabled STB.

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juski:

mythtv could get that kind of functionality if somebody was prepared to put the work in for it

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juski:

and by that I don't mean pestering the developers ;)

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tripppy:

i know you can make mythtv work on mobile devices. i read the HOWTO

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seravitae:

i hope my new phone has an IR port on it so i can use it as a remote

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** xris would develop cool streaming-to-mobile stuff for mythweb if someone else started paying his cell phone bill. :) **

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tripppy:

the tihng that sells orb is it works "outta the box"

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juski:

I'm well beyond the point of being disillusioned by windows pvr programs now

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juski:

media portal allegedly 'works out of the box'... yeah fscking right

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seravitae:

yeah but nothing in linux works out of the box

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tripppy:

xris, its not on data fee's , but wifi access is really out there now

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tripppy:

juski, media portal sux

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xris:

tripppy: would still require a new phone. :)

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seravitae:

yay, my phone has an IRDA port

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seravitae:

this is stepping up to be quasi-awesome.

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tripppy:

xris, im using a nokia 6600 (3yrs old) using bluetooth over IP. and surfing on the lounge chair.

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seravitae:

ill have to learn how to make a WinCE application to monitor downloads and stuff

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tripppy:

streams to me as .ram

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juski:

bleugh

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xris:

tripppy: mine's a 6310i... has bt, but a tiny screen and no color.

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tripppy:

which i can play and it buffer;s every 2 minutes

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seravitae:

.ram's still exist?

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xris:

I spendmaybe 5 mins/day on the phone. not worth upgrading.

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tripppy:

yeah in the mobile world

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juski:

seravitae: sadly, yes

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seravitae:

there is no god

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tripppy:

i can do .3gp but mine has problems

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juski:

quicktime still exists too

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xris:

heh. one of my best friends is in charge of realplayer. :)

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tripppy:

if you have a windowz box. try orb. its abit easier to use then fista

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seravitae:

i use linux primarily/only

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juski:

what's vista? ;-)

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tripppy:

xris, one of my friends writes for REAL networks

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** xris is installing windows right now, actually... into vmware. **

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seravitae:

lets steer clear of the v word

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xris:

all that work just so I can get into IE to test mythweb.

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tripppy:

i did. / ista will FIST YA

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juski:

for my sake let's steer clear of the 'linuxmce' word too

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juski:

I'm fecking sick of hearing about it's vapour-like awesomeness

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seravitae:

hmm linuxmce.. interesting

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juski:

xris: if I were in your shoes you know what I'd say ;)

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xris:

juski: I just want to close that damn bug. heh

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seravitae:

Holy crap it looks awesome

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xris:

seravitae: plutohome.com

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xris:

it's the same thing

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juski:

holy crap it looks like it needs a UI designer

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xris:

juski: but at the moment, I can't even get it to load... some freak apache setting, I thingk

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juski:

eew

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xris:

I'll know more once I get this virtual machine up to sp2, etc.

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** seravitae wonders about trying linuxmce **

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tripppy:

i use XBMC's webinterface to control it. my phone can browse the local network.

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juski:

btw xris good call on the .org redesign plea.. I was never gonna finish a project as fortuitous as that

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juski:

seravitae: mythtv at least has been ummm... modest in never going to 1.0 ;)

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xris:

juski: I still really like that layout you did.. but I thought you lost it all from that hack attempt

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seravitae:

so you're saying linuxmce is probably buggy?

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juski:

xris: I've still got that – the only things that took a whump were my themes, and they're back in play

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xris:

I mainly just wanted to see what else was out there.

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xris:

and mainly the flash stuff for mythweb

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juski:

only thing is I have about a million different versions of it, all very subtly different

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juski:

anyway I was thinking about it yesterday & it might just be the rallying call to get me motivated enough ;)

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juski:

race!

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seravitae:

linuxmce looks like it's a bit intrusive

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juski:

seravitae: the all-over-screen menus you mean?

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seravitae:

yeah

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xris:

juski: I certainly wouldn't complain. :)

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juski:

too many submenus

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seravitae:

requiring cds and stuff.. probably not giving me access to my pc ever again :P

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juski:

where's the WAF in that?

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juski:

anyway...

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seravitae:

now all i need is a house

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juski:

seravitae: all it'd take is for somebody to write a mythX10 plugin or something

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seravitae:

yeah

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seravitae:

but it's pretty.

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juski:

haha there I go with that 'all' again :-P

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juski:

my idea of home automation isn't something with a UI so much though

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juski:

it's on my list of stuff to play with at some point

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seravitae:

my home automation will be CAN network

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juski:

if I ever get into PICs & crap that's what mine'll be – over cheap as dirt CAT5 cable

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seravitae:

yeah

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seravitae:

dont they have free pairs anyways

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seravitae:

you could just make a dongle

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juski:

X10 signalling is intrinsically limited

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seravitae:

CAN is pretty fast too

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seravitae:

i daresay you could probably make a can ethernet adaptor

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juski:

DMX prolly isn't a bad option for HA either – you can get USB/serial to DMX for $cheap

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juski:

and DMX dimming/switching packs are cheaper than CANbus/X10 per channel

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seravitae:

there ya go.

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juski:

yup

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juski:

anyway I need to crack on editing some minimyth build files – I need to nail why my bbc recordings playback is gappy with a newer version

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seravitae:

Hmm. that usbdmx page uses a chip that might be what im looking for

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seravitae:

apparently does 'everything usb'

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juski:

I like the idea of all these usb micros than come with example driver code

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juski:

whether or not the reality is what I expect is another matter entirely though

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Dagmar:

I would like to see someone get below $11 per outlet

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seravitae:

juski: trust me the example driver code isnt that helpful

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seravitae:

unless you know whats going on, ie have read the usb 2 spec

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juski:

when I rewire my house I'd consider making a full-on 'node zero'

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juski:

no need for switch modules then, but it takes a *lot* of mains wiring

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juski:

course you could always hide switch/dimmer packs under floors instead

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juski:

assuming they don't need ventilation (!)

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seravitae:

im just going to make passthrough boxes

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seravitae:

hide triac controller and stuff in a little decor box and use that

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juski:

one of my work colleagues has his whole house X10'd

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seravitae:

X10 is so slow tho

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juski:

I imagine it would be if you have a lot of stuff

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seravitae:

i heard it was like 3 bytes a second

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juski:

not sure it's _that_ slow, but it's that kind of order of magnitude

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juski:

if they're using the mains zero crossing points, that's pretty much a maximum of 50baud, if you add encoding/crc into that, say 10baud

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seravitae:

yeah

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seravitae:

i really wish i understood the whole zero crossing thing

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seravitae:

i wanted to make a 2400w dimmer

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seravitae:

but the whole zero crossing thing with triacs totally eludes me.

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juski:

you look for the voltage hitting the zero point (0v, or as near as you can get) and switch ON then

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juski:

to dim you switch on at zero, and switch off during a part-cycle

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juski:

or you can switch bursts of cycles on & off – that's called 'burst control'

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juski:

burst control is more suited towards motors & stuff – not lamps though

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juski:

there we go.. X10 is about 20bps – with 16 address bits (8 'house' bits & 8 device bits IIRC)

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seravitae:

yeah

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seravitae:

im just not sure how exactly i should be detecting zero cross on an MCU

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seravitae:

like using a voltage divider then checking on the ADC channel

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juski:

you can use a transformer to do that more safely, or you could use one of the new mains PSU chips which do it for you

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seravitae:

mm

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seravitae:

its too much for me to handle at the moment

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seravitae:

ill nag one of my EE buddies

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juski:

I made a fantastic (if I do say so myself) bathroom dimmer switch

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seravitae:

cool

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juski:

it's touch operated, and has two 'pads' – one on the wall by the door & one under a tile beside the bath

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seravitae:

capacitive sensor?

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juski:

runs off 12v, and controls a dimmer pack in the attic

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seravitae:

did you build the dimmer pack?

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juski:

it's a single channel touch sensor IC like they use in the Ipod

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seravitae:

what i basically want is some unit whihc i can send some value to, or some voltage, and it will dim for me heh

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juski:

Qprox

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seravitae:

so i can just take in temperatures on an AVR, then control the dimming module

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seravitae:

(thermostat)

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groOgle:

Is there really no default lircrc?

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Dagmar:

There's no default remote, either.

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juski:

why would there be a default lircrc?

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juski:

there are like _millions_ of different remotes out there

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Dagmar:

because thinking is WORK

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groOgle:

Dagmar: So is guessing what commands the application wants.

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groOgle:

juski: Strange that all remotes are so similar that VCR users can use them.

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Dagmar:

groOgle: Damn. You didn't buy the psychic add-on for your machine?

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Dagmar:

hahaha

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Dagmar:

Wow what breathtaking ignorance, er, innocence

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groOgle:

Dagmar: No, just a less stupid attitude that some people show.

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groOgle:

Dagmar: You write code, right?

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kormoc:

groOgle, there's defaults for some of the more common remotes already...

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Dagmar:

groogle; You're about to attempt to insult someone who knows a ton more than you. I suggest you abandon this plan.

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groOgle:

kormoc: What I find is in the configfiles directory.

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groOgle:

kormoc: 5 files.

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kormoc:

groOgle, that's the more common ones

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juski:

groOgle: there are PLENTY of example lircrc files out there. use google

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groOgle:

Dagmar: Who might that be?

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groOgle:

kormoc: 3 of them with default program irxevent.

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Dagmar:

groOgle: Pretty much everyone in this channel if you think all remotes are alike.

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Dagmar:

...and probably some of the people at the homeless shelter.

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** groOgle wonders who Dagmar thinks she is. **

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** kormoc blinks **

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juski:

groOgle: if you knew an iota about lirc, you'd know that it'd be nigh on impossible to have a common, likely to work out-of-the-box lircrc file

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groOgle:

juski: Not so.

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kormoc:

groOgle, sure, there's standard remote layouts, play is typically play, but uhh, it all depends on the lirc remote definition file, which can have play as PLAY or play or Play or just PLA or just p or so on and what not

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juski:

nobody seems to call their buttons the same as what another guy called them

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Dagmar:

groOgle: hahaha

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groOgle:

juski: Certainly "some aseembly required".

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Dagmar:

suuure

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Dagmar:

Yep. You're looking at "some assembly" with all those pre-made config files

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juski:

if on the other hand you're advocating a 'lirc config file style guide' I'd agree it'd prolly be a good idea

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juski:

e.g. "call the 'play' button 'Play', use _rational_ button names ... " ;)

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Dagmar:

There's a _reason_ those One4All remotes come with a damn book now

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juski:

I've seen some bloody illogical lirc config files in my time. that's why I make my own

[06:49:32]

groOgle:

juski: Sure. That would be good too.

[06:49:51]

juski:

incidentally in the time we've been arguing the toss about it here you could've made one already ;)

[06:49:52]

groOgle:

juski: But at the moment there's not even a layout that matches what's in the wiki.

[06:50:10]

groOgle:

juski: No, I've been working on one for 30 minutes now.

[06:51:22]

juski:

the really important thing that some people seem to take forever to grasp is that there's a strong correlation between button names in the lircd.conf file and the contents of lircrc or .lircrc

[06:51:37]

Dagmar:

Gee, but I thought you said all remotes were the same...

[06:52:30]

groOgle:

Dagmar: No, you just didn't understand. Shall I explain it to you again?

[06:52:41]

Dagmar:

No, you'll just muck it up again.

[06:53:36]

groOgle:

Dagmar: So what part of the code did you write?

[06:54:09]

Dagmar:

Right justified button text, and I'm about another hour or so away from fixing a transcoder naming bug

[06:54:40]

groOgle:

Dagmar: File name?

[06:54:50]

Dagmar:

yernutsaresmall.c

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** kormoc sighs **

[06:57:00]

Dagmar:

There you go again... If all it took was a few statements to make me the *most* arrogant person you know, you need to get out of the house more.

[06:57:05]

groOgle:

Dagmar: Page back and see how stupidly you've been behaving. But probably you don't understand that.

[06:57:20]

Dagmar:

Back under the bridge, trollkin

[06:57:30]

Dagmar:

Welcome to the ignore list

[06:58:14]

groOgle:

kormoc: Yes, you're probably right.

[06:58:29]

Dagmar:

Silly newbies assuming they know stuff

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juski:

wonder what this channel would've made of me when I waa noooooob

[07:03:18]

groOgle:

juski: Most people seem to behave themselves.

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Dagmar:

juski: DId this network even exist then?

[07:06:29]

ed_boy:

#xbins

[07:07:44]

Gumby`:

Ive been trying out Vista to see how its media center is coming along any I must say that the visual quality of the tv I am watching is better than I am used to from ivtv. Maybe I am just using an old ivtv release (or WAS using an old ivtv release). Has it made much improvement in the last 6 months or so? Anyone know.

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Dagmar:

there's a website

[07:08:53]

juski:

Dagmar: lol. I've only been at this a couple of years

[07:11:33]

juski:

ahh FUCK

[07:12:01]

juski:

once upon a time this windows box could record audio AND do other stuff at the same time without losing massive chunks of audio

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Dagmar:

I get the feeling that the fix for bug 3268 is to um, remove the ability to change the name of the transcoding groups

[07:12:47]

Dagmar:

"High Quality" is jsut hard-wired into this thing in about fifty freaking places

[07:13:03]

juski:

I now need to re-dub 3 hours of audio... grrrrrrr

[07:13:37]

juski:

I should see if that FOSS thing is up to the job

[07:14:05]

juski:

audacity here I come...

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juski:

ugh what kind of serious app defaults to _mono_ ?!

[07:21:17]

Dagmar:

Audacity. :)

[07:22:05]

Dagmar:

Wait until you start to get a feel for the general slowness of wxWindows

[07:22:30]

juski:

I was one of the fools who bought a NetMD walkman on the understanding I'd be able to xfer MDs to my PC in non-realtime

[07:23:30]

juski:

silly me for underestimating the evilness of Sony

[07:24:32]

juski:

gardengnome: is this your name I see on the credits of 'BestPractice' ?

[07:25:36]

Dagmar:

Pfft.

[07:25:41]

Dagmar:

I can't believe "(The advertised rate of

[07:25:45]

Dagmar:

11Mbps gives an actual throughput of 4 Mbps.)" is still in the HOWTO

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blahmartinblah:

Hi

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blahmartinblah:

I have a problem doing a channel scan with my DVB-C card. I have 'Free to air channels only' disabled in my Input connections settings, but it still skips encrypted channels when I do a existing transport scan. Can anyone suggest what to try next?

[07:28:20]

juski:

interesting nick, blahmartinblah

[07:28:38]

juski:

blahmartinblah: naughty naughty, breaking the T&Cs of your UK cable provider

[07:28:51]

blahmartinblah:

juski: thanks, came out of desperation years ago when I couldnt find something that was available :)

[07:29:25]

juski:

Virgin Media will cut your balls off if they find out, and thanks to this channel being logged...

[07:30:17]

blahmartinblah:

Thanks, I value my balls. I'm not planning anything illegal.

[07:30:49]

juski:

under the T&Cs of your service agreement you're not allowed to connect anything to their cable but their own equipment

[07:31:03]

juski:

so no, not illegal but they won't take kindly to it :)

[07:31:21]

blahmartinblah:

Great, thanks for the advice.

[07:32:14]

blahmartinblah:

Is it the same for telephone devices, and broadband devices too?

[07:32:19]

juski:

so if you want to stop skipping encrypted channels, that means you're gonna be using software to decode the streams which you will NOT get help for in here

[07:32:49]

juski:

no, they mean that you cannot connect anything to their coax that isn't their own

[07:33:02]

juski:

and even then they have engineers to do that for them

[07:33:09]

blahmartinblah:

OK, so you must use a telewest modem?

[07:33:13]

blahmartinblah:

Sorry, Virgin.

[07:33:18]

juski:

yeah

[07:34:12]

juski:

but then they only give you gear they allow on their own network. if you got it from somewhere else you're being a very naughty boy

[07:34:46]

juski:

back to the subject in question anyway.. you're not gonna get any help with that

[07:34:54]

blahmartinblah:

No naughtyness here.

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kormoc:

blahmartinblah, so uhh... why do you want to capture encrypted channels if you don't plan to decrypt them?

[07:37:02]

blahmartinblah:

kormoc: It appeared to be flagging a channel as encrypted that I didn't think was.

[07:37:30]

Dagmar:

Hmm.. where's the option in trac for assigning a bug "just shoot this one in the head"

[07:37:36]

blahmartinblah:

And I thought it might be a bug in mythtv, which I wanted to report.

[07:37:52]

kormoc:

Dagmar, you mean, closed?

[07:38:05]

kormoc:

blahmartinblah, well, if it's a bug, svn.mythtv.org is where you'd report that.

[07:38:18]

juski:

try a different app, blahmartinblah, like Kaffeine. if that gets the channel in question okay, then it's a bug in mythtv

[07:38:20]

kormoc:

blahmartinblah, and can't you just twiddle the db or use the channel editor to set that?

[07:38:21]

Dagmar:

kormoc: no, as in "this isn't a bug, it's a feature we'll never be able to implement correctly until 2.0"

[07:38:43]

Dagmar:

kormoc: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3268 is not something I think is even fixable after ferreting through the code

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kormoc:

Dagmar, invalid or wontfix would be what I'd set personally

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blahmartinblah:

juski: thanks. Sounds like I'm better off with dvbt anyhow.

[07:39:20]

Dagmar:

kormoc: There needs to be a "cantfix" flag

[07:39:35]

Dagmar:

...or an "omgthisisborken" flag

[07:39:47]

kormoc:

Dagmar, yeah... I think invalid would be the closest

[07:40:10]

juski:

can'tfixbecauseit'shard-codedintoomanyplaces :-P

[07:40:18]

Dagmar:

Yep

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[07:42:11]

Dagmar:

I also think I'd better go back and rename "Lossless" back to "High Quality" because I am seeing places where the freaking transcoding profile is invokved by *name* instead of by id

[07:42:21]

Dagmar:

Stuff probably broke from me renaming it

[07:42:21]

juski:

ugh

[07:42:53]

Dagmar:

DoQueueTranscode("High Quality"); <-- eek

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kormoc:

I'd be tempted to make DoQueryTranscode only accept ids... would hopefully get the breakages fixed fast...

[07:44:40]

juski:

!trout unsolicited-messages ettiqutte

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** MythLogBot slaps unsolicited-messages with a ettiqutte trout on behalf of juski... **

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[07:50:06]

nbags:

hi, my mythfilldatabase isn't able to find any data anymore, and i don't know why. i'm using tv_grab_au. is anyone else having problems?

[07:50:22]

nbags:

it says Grabbing XMLTV data using tv_grab_au is not supported. You may need to upgrade to the latest version of XMLTV.

[07:50:41]

nbags:

but i have a feeling it said that before even if when it was working

[07:50:52]

nbags:

Updating source #1 (Sydney TV) with grabber tv_grab_au

[07:50:56]

nbags:

Found 12 channels for source 1 which use grabber

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kormoc:

and, going out on a limb here, have you tried upgrading xmltv?

[07:51:07]

Dagmar:

kormoc: That *might* not be necessary... I'm chasing that one upstream because I've been *using* that option with it renamed

[07:51:21]

nbags:

i don't even have xmltv. i didn't need it

[07:52:04]

kormoc:

nbags, other then tv_grab_au is a xmltv grabber?

[07:52:06]

tank-man:

what did you change so that it doesnt work any more

[07:52:07]

kormoc:

Dagmar, heh, fair nuff

[07:52:20]

Dagmar:

It's *been working*. Now I want to know why it's been working

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nbags:

kormoc, so should i need it? i've never had it before and its always worked

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kormoc:

nbags, if you edit the tv_grap_au, you should see something akin to 'use XMLTV;' and friends, it is a xmltv script that uses the xmltv libs

[07:55:04]

nbags:

no tv_grab_au is a python script, which i believe works independently of xmltv

[07:55:34]

juski:

what probably happens is that tv_grab_au grabs the data & puts it in xmltv format

[07:55:37]

kormoc:

nbags, ahh, the one I'm familiar with is perl

[07:55:56]

nbags:

juski, what juski said is right

[07:56:08]

nbags:

i mean kormoc , what juski said is right

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kormoc:

nbags, http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~willu/xmltv/tv_grab_au_reg ?

[07:56:49]

nbags:

yep

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kormoc:

notice the line that is

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kormoc:

config_file = os.path.join('.xmltv','tv_grab_au_reg.xml')

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kormoc:

makes me wonder

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** kormoc shrugs **

[07:58:15]

kormoc:

tho, it's awefully late here, and I should sleep

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xris:

lol...

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xris:

says the man who was staying up past 5 AM for awhile

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kormoc|zZz:

yeah... now I'm recovering :P

[08:00:54]

Dagmar:

ugh this is making my brain hurt

[08:01:58]

Dagmar:

example: if (internalState == kState_WatchingPreRecorded), then put the watched program in the transcode queue, but *otherwise* just silently not bother to do anything

[08:02:17]

Dagmar:

No exceptions, no snippy log message about code path should never be here... madness

[08:02:29]

nbags:

anyone know what i need for this (python)? ImportError: No module named _md5

[08:02:40]

Dagmar:

You need the rest of python installed

[08:02:54]

nbags:

rest of ... ?

[08:03:18]

nbags:

i need to upgrade it?

[08:03:30]

Dagmar:

No, pastebin the *entire* error message

[08:03:35]

nbags:

i'll try that 1st

[08:13:49]

Dagmar:

Hmmm

[08:21:42]

Dagmar:

How the FSCK does this even work?!?!

[08:26:20]

Dagmar:

Oh jesus

[08:26:25]

Dagmar:

It actually *doesn't*

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Dagmar:

lol

[08:27:06]

xris:

hmm, buzzagent in the uk... any brits want some free stuff?

[08:27:53]

Dagmar:

This is _really_ boned

[08:28:18]

xris:

Dagmar: still messing with xmltv?

[08:28:54]

juski:

buzzagent? free stuff? what kind of free stuff? :)

[08:29:42]

xris:

word of mouth advertising: http://bzzagent.co.uk/

[08:29:56]

Dagmar:

xris: No. mythtv itself

[08:30:05]

xris:

if you want to sign up, give me your email address, since I get some kind of credit for it (meaning more free stuff for me)

[08:30:13]

Dagmar:

This is seriously screwed up

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xris:

so far been kind of cool. got a free sonicare toothbrush (granted, I gave it away since I already owned a better one)

[08:30:32]

xris:

and a few other things.

[08:30:39]

xris:

Dagmar: trying to do what?

[08:31:21]

Dagmar:

Trying to come up with a way to fix http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3268 that doesn't involve rewriting vast chunks of code

[08:31:49]

Dagmar:

The name of the transcoding groups is hard coded all over the damn place, and for all intents and purposes the key field for htat section of the database might as well be the *name*

[08:31:53]

Dagmar:

...which you can *change*

[08:32:01]

Dagmar:

...and will then *break* almost everything

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juski:

xris: a guy at work told me about this yesterday – I can't help thinking what the catch it

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juski:

*is

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Dagmar:

Serious painting into corners

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xris:

juski: not much. I've been doing it for about 6 months. biggest issue I have is that I don't fall for the marketing crap.

[08:32:55]

xris:

there have been a few cool things, though...

[08:33:11]

Dagmar:

It's just been dumb luck that my box hasn't been simply destroying the recordings I have been transcoding the last few days

[08:33:26]

xris:

basically, they send you stuff (or give you access to online stuff) and you chat about it with your friends, share samples, etc. good or bad, you report back and get points, which you can trade in for more free stuff.

[08:33:48]

xris:

Dagmar: odd

[08:33:50]

juski:

xris: sounds ok to me

[08:34:00]

xris:

juski: I figure... free stuff. :)

[08:35:29]

Dagmar:

xris: Maybe you can help me not lose my mind here... Do you have any idea why there are _twenty-nine_ different variations of the same five things in recordingprofiles in the db?

[08:35:52]

xris:

Dagmar: how many times have you deleted/recreated your tuner cards?

[08:35:54]

Dagmar:

I can't begin to try to fix this until I can understand what the hell someone thought they were doing there

[08:36:05]

Dagmar:

Dude, I'm not talking about what's in my particular database...

[08:36:15]

Dagmar:

I'm talking about what mythtv _creates in the database on it's own_

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xris:

juski: well, feel free to send along your email address if you want to sign up...

[08:36:24]

xris:

Dagmar: really? wtf.

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Dagmar:

Look in libs/libmythtv/dbcheck.cpp around like 3186

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Dagmar:

"INSERT INTO recordingprofiles VALUES (1,'Default',NULL,NULL,1);" on down to 29...

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xris:

ahh.... 16 different kinds of profilegroups (tuner types).. and 4 profiles per type.

[08:37:22]

xris:

I actually have 67 rows in that table.

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Dagmar:

Jesus

[08:38:07]

Dagmar:

Okay, so you realize that you can change the names of those in the frontend setup, right?

[08:38:33]

Dagmar:

...and doing so will *break* them

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xris:

didn't realize you could rename them anymore.

[08:39:25]

Dagmar:

Yep. You can.

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achew22:

Dagmar, could you still call them the same things and include a new setting "name" or something and when it references it will use the old name but when it shows the user it uses the new name?

[08:39:46]

Dagmar:

I had no idea it was this horrfyingly setup

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xris:

yeah

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xris:

just no player

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achew22:

i'm running svn so, where would that be?

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xris:

but hooks to two different players.

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xris:

modules/stream/handler.pl

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achew22:

by the way props on the setup page... very nice

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xris:

setup page? you mean settings?

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achew22:

yeah, sorry

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achew22:

its berry berry pretty... if we lived in cereal land

[08:49:55]

xris:

heh

[08:50:09]

xris:

the new frontend remote control module will look really similar

[08:50:19]

xris:

it's a nice layout as long as the content isn't too wide

[08:50:32]

xris:

anyway, handler.pl has a section with some instructions.. search for flvp

[08:50:53]

xris:

once you get the player installed, you can right-click the asx stream link and replace asx with flvp

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Dagmar:

okay. I give up

[08:51:08]

xris:

:(

[08:51:16]

Dagmar:

This isn't fixable without probably rewriting freaking mythtranscode

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achew22:

xris, my new job's boss said he was buying me macromedia studio (don't know which version) so if I get some free time I'll try to hack out a flv player for myth

[08:51:37]

Dagmar:

I know why there's this many of the damn entries, and it's insane.

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xris:

achew22: that'd be cool.

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achew22:

no promises, I just started a new project so it may take a while for me to get ANY free time

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xris:

dunno how that works with gpl, but I suppose you'd just include the source file.

[08:54:28]

achew22:

yeah... you could take it and run for all I care

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achew22:

um... i'm sorry, where do you change it from asx to flv?

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xris:

right-click and copy link location

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xris:

asx or mpg download link on the recorded programs (or detail) page

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achew22:

gotcha

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achew22:

flvp...

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achew22:

DAMNIT why doesn't ubuntu ship with a real ffmpeg

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Dagmar:

Probably for entertainment value

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achew22:

lol they just want to mess with you

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xris:

achew22: legal reasons

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juski:

I found it easy to build my own ffmpeg on u-bong-moo

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achew22:

its not hard to do... I just don't want to wait for it to build

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achew22:

thats why we have apt

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juski:

or just use the debian multimedia repo

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xris:

heh

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achew22:

juski, will that override the ubuntu ones?

[09:01:24]

gardengnome:

juski: wtf is bestpratice?

[09:05:01]

achew22:

does anyone in here actualy use mythmusic?

[09:06:14]

achew22:

xris, do you know of anyone using the asx stream feature?

[09:06:45]

xris:

achew22: only the guy who submitted the original patch

[09:07:11]

achew22:

xris, so as of right now its just there kindof as a place holder untill flv is done?

[09:07:37]

achew22:

does asx encrypt or compress it?

[09:07:55]

juski:

gardengnome: bestpractice is a program to play audio faster/slower/higher/lower – the guy who did the German translation goes by a name similar to yours ;)

[09:08:41]

xris:

asx is just an xml file that tells a player where the real file is.

[09:08:50]

juski:

achew22: before I start to use mythmusic in earnest I had a plan to wait til my script-fu was up to scratch to do playlist importing. now I can't be arsed

[09:08:54]

achew22:

oh... damn

[09:09:03]

xris:

lets you download from mythweb so the player can start immediately rather than waiting for the whole file to download

[09:09:25]

juski:

if you want web streaming try ampache

[09:09:43]

achew22:

xris, so its still 1.1gb per hour + and impossible to send over hte internet untill you have fios to your house

[09:09:53]

juski:

i.e. at convenient file sizes

[09:10:11]

achew22:

xris, I don'

[09:10:19]

juski:

I really dunno why people even want web streaming from home

[09:10:40]

achew22:

xris, I don't know if this is important at all, but mythwebs music module doesn't work through a proxy

[09:11:09]

xris:

achew22: odd

[09:11:14]

achew22:

yeah thats what I said

[09:11:20]

achew22:

everything else works though so I don't mind

[09:11:37]

juski:

time to dub another minidisc

[09:12:11]

achew22:

xris, may I send you a pm?

[09:12:18]

xris:

sure

[09:12:45]

juski:

whee IRC ettiquette at work :)

[09:14:15]

achew22:

well, if he is willing to help me I'm going to try to be kind

[09:14:40]

achew22:

xris, did you get those messages?

[09:15:15]

xris:

yeah

[09:15:24]

xris:

busy trying to cut commercials out of an HD recording.

[09:16:23]

achew22:

xris, is that hard?

[09:16:40]

anykey_:

Which cable type is the best? Scart (european thing) to 3x RCA or Scart to 2x RCA and 1x SVHS?

[09:17:27]

achew22:

anykey_, it may be worthwile to not ask for another hour or two the USA crowd is slowly dropping off like flies, so the EU crowd will straggle in

[09:17:31]

achew22:

soon

[09:18:25]

anykey_:

well, I think the RCA/SVHS thingys are known in the US too...

[09:18:56]

achew22:

I don't know enough to comment, so thats all I have to say (I know enough to know I don't know enough about that)

[09:19:03]

achew22:

I use VGA if thats any help

[09:19:33]

anykey_:

I'd use something like that, but my STB doesn't provide anything else but the normal cable connector and scart..

[09:20:57]

xris:

'night, all

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juski:

anykey_: RF coax >> composite >> svideo >> component/RGB >> VGA >> HDMI/DVI

[09:21:56]

juski:

if you get svideo out of the STB, use that

[09:22:19]

anykey_:

juski: I only get scart out of it...

[09:22:24]

juski:

it's not SVHS – that's a tape format ;)

[09:22:30]

achew22:

look up scart to component

[09:22:43]

juski:

anykey_: yeah but SCART can carry composite or svideo or RGB

[09:22:46]

anykey_:

what exactly is the difference between composite and component?

[09:23:00]

achew22:

3 wires vs 1

[09:23:00]

juski:

component is the colour difference signals and luminance

[09:23:02]

anykey_:

I can set the box to output RGB over Scart if that helps

[09:23:21]

juski:

composite is luminance with chrominance (colour) squeegied into it

[09:23:32]

juski:

anykey_: you can't capture RGB with a tuner card though

[09:23:44]

anykey_:

hm

[09:23:49]

juski:

if it won't do svideo, stick to composite

[09:23:54]

anykey_:

so I'd get s-video

[09:24:12]

anykey_:

I can get a cable that does scart->s-video

[09:24:36]

juski:

if you use a SCART to svideo cable you might find you only get monochrome captures – not all STBs will do svideo out

[09:24:56]

juski:

is it a $ky STB?

[09:25:08]

anykey_:

no

[09:25:22]

juski:

Virgin Media?

[09:25:37]

anykey_:

http://www.adbglobal.com/?q=node/183

[09:26:00]

anykey_:

it is this box (although it looks differently)

[09:26:29]

juski:

well, the spec sheet says it has an svideo output

[09:26:32]

anykey_:

the datasheet says it has s-video out, but my box doesn't have that...

[09:26:42]

anykey_:

I think my cable company has done some modifications to it

[09:26:52]

juski:

try a SCART to svideo & 2 RCA cable first

[09:27:09]

juski:

don't waste money on a 'monster' cable though ;)

[09:27:12]

Dagmar:

Whew. That's better

[09:27:50]

Dagmar:

I wouldn't exactly call "monster" cables a waste of money

[09:27:55]

anykey_:

hm, let me have a look in the setup menu of the box, maybe I can see if it outputs s-video

[09:27:58]

Dagmar:

Overpriced, definitely

[09:28:57]

Dagmar:

...but at least they save you the trouble of finding out after the fact that what you've got has substandard shielding or an overly thin center lead

[09:30:47]

Dagmar:

Probably 1/3 of the stuff they sell at most department stores that says rg6 or rg58 doesn't have the right stuff

[09:31:26]

Dagmar:

...which is why you hear cablemodem techs refer to that aisle in the wal-mart as the "signal drop aisle"

[09:31:37]

anykey_:

juski: I can set the SCART output to SVHS, CVBS and RGB

[09:32:20]

Dagmar:

Cross your fingers and hope SVHS is really s-video

[09:32:52]

anykey_:

I think so, if I change to that and leave the cable on the SCART input of my TV it turns into monochrome output

[09:33:06]

anykey_:

or did I get something wrong?

[09:34:17]

anykey_:

yeah

[09:34:45]

anykey_:

well, going to the store now, waste some money :p

[09:35:41]

Dagmar:

I think I'll go back to drawing for a bit

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speedsix:

Howdy, anyone think why on the latest svn I get no AlbumArt, just a ?

[10:09:06]

speedsix:

worked fine previously, .jpg in with the music files

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juski:

wow.. something doesn't quite work as it should in svn?!

[10:16:33]

stuarta:

haha!

[10:16:34]

juski:

morning stuarta :)

[10:16:40]

stuarta:

morning juski

[10:16:56]

stuarta:

i'm officially adding carling to my banned booze list

[10:17:04]

juski:

building minimyth again right now

[10:17:15]

stuarta:

damn arse chemically beer headaches

[10:17:20]

juski:

ah

[10:17:33]

juski:

might be why I get a bastard hangover from hell with Becks

[10:18:40]

stuarta:

guiness is good. just *ahem* cleans out the system

[10:19:25]

Dagmar:

So does ajax

[10:20:00]

stuarta:

haha

[10:22:30]

immolo:

stuarta- you should only be drinking carling extra cold

[10:22:47]

stuarta:

that doesn't come in a can from the supermarket

[10:22:57]

immolo:

supermarket??

[10:23:16]

stuarta:

s/supermarket/shop/booze selling place != pub/

[10:23:25]

immolo:

bottled san miguel then

[10:23:44]

stuarta:

not a big fan

[10:23:49]

immolo:

:o

[10:23:52]

jduggan_:

eew

[10:24:05]

jduggan_:

staropramen

[10:24:18]

jduggan_:

from whetherspoon is nice

[10:24:25]

jduggan_:

weather? whether?

[10:24:32]

juski:

ugh.. old man's pub

[10:24:39]

speedsix:

and chavs

[10:24:41]

immolo:

cheap booze though

[10:24:45]

stuarta:

that stuff get you royally hammered

[10:24:49]

speedsix:

yeah drink is cheap

[10:24:57]

speedsix:

Â£1.50 for a jd & coke

[10:24:58]

immolo:

my local is one

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jduggan_:

juski: it's a franchise, different atmosphere in different whetherspoons :)

[10:25:14]

jduggan_:

lol

[10:25:21]

stuarta:

seriously

[10:25:22]

speedsix:

it won't last 2 days

[10:25:23]

immolo:

speedsix- my friend is hooked on jd and lemonade

[10:25:35]

stuarta:

yeah, that's what they are betting on

[10:25:37]

speedsix:

eewww :S

[10:25:50]

immolo:

tastes like those teddy bear gummy sweets

[10:26:02]

speedsix:

had a thing for southern comfort and lime until I made myself violently ill on the stuff

[10:26:16]

speedsix:

can't even be in the same room as the stuff now

[10:26:18]

jduggan_:

i rarely drink these days, few pints of guinness and a good beer, thats it

[10:26:33]

stuarta:

i give up every week

[10:26:33]

jduggan_:

southerncomfort lemonade and a drop of lime used to be my thing

[10:26:36]

juski:

haha that was me about 10 years ago. got into a competition with a gf's mother and called it quits after a bottle's worth

[10:26:39]

immolo:

I only do beer or the odd cheeky v

[10:26:50]

speedsix:

not sure if it's because i'm getting older but hangovers aint half dragging now

[10:26:52]

Dagmar:

what a girl

[10:27:12]

jduggan_:

how old are you speedsix

[10:27:12]

speedsix:

3 day long hangovers aren't unusual with me now

[10:27:17]

speedsix:

26

[10:27:21]

jduggan_:

lmfao @ 3days

[10:27:22]

juski:

Dagmar: how old are you? cos when you hit a certain age, they just get worse

[10:27:27]

immolo:

speedsix- damn thats long

[10:27:34]

Dagmar:

I have a special diet

[10:27:38]

Dagmar:

Lots of water and sugar

[10:27:41]

speedsix:

I swear I'm allergic to beer

[10:27:43]

juski:

a 3 day hangover is your body's way to say NO

[10:27:56]

speedsix:

juski: I am aware of this fact ;)

[10:28:03]

Dagmar:

I *used* to just drink PGA and eat Spree with it

[10:28:15]

juski:

saying that it can take me til tuesday to fully recover from a good session

[10:28:29]

juski:

on a saturday night I mean

[10:28:41]

Dagmar:

You have got to drink water to flush the crap out later, and your body needs sugars to process it

[10:28:59]

jduggan_:

the only real cure for a hangover, is time

[10:29:03]

Dagmar:

I had the giant bottle of gekkeikan all to myself at the last PhreakNIC

[10:29:05]

speedsix:

interesting about the sugar

[10:29:06]

juski:

nah just draw the blinds & be a man about it :)

[10:29:08]

stuarta:

hence coke + salt & vinegar chips

[10:29:25]

immolo:

I just for a full english breakfast cures it in no time

[10:29:42]

juski:

wish we had a greasy spoon near here

[10:29:52]

stuarta:

bacon & egg sarnie :)

[10:29:53]

immolo:

I've got a cooker :P

[10:30:06]

juski:

a good night out in Cardiff would always be followed by a Ramon's the next day

[10:30:14]

Dagmar:

Dos sopapillas por favor!

[10:30:22]

jduggan_:

hehe, my gf brought me bacon and sausage sammich this morning... shame it was at 7.30!

[10:30:30]

jduggan_:

juski: how often did you go to cardiff?

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immolo:

I haven't been drinking in Cardiff in along time

[10:30:41]

jduggan_:

i used to live near cardiff

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juski:

jduggan_: often enough, long time since though

[10:31:04]

jduggan_:

and went to uni in glamorgan so was always out in cardiff.. good night out imo

[10:31:34]

juski:

I used to even like the shopping in Cardiff – hudson & hudson ftw!

[10:31:49]

speedsix:

Went to cardiff for the first time the other week

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jduggan_:

yea its good shoppin to

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speedsix:

assuming I went to the shitty part

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Dagmar:

They're so desperate for money there they've sold off most of their vowles

[10:32:15]

immolo:

I never had time to shop :(

[10:32:24]

Dagmar:

s/vowles/vowels/;

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speedsix:

:)

[10:32:33]

immolo:

too pissed from the 4 hour train ride

[10:34:39]

speedsix:

trying to copy some recordings out of the recordings section into the 'videos' section but mythvideo doesn't like playing dvb recordings, locks up when you seek

[10:35:03]

speedsix:

spose I'll have to transcode them

[10:36:03]

speedsix:

what am I talking about, mythvideo is xine

[10:37:25]

speedsix:

does 'internal' work as a video player yet?

[10:37:40]

jduggan_:

it always worked?

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jduggan_:

for me atleast

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speedsix:

did it, lol

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juski:

worked for me but for the spdif dangly stuff

[10:38:18]

speedsix:

oh, i need the spdif dangly stuff

[10:38:20]

juski:

never quite figured the spdif passthru thingies

[10:38:25]

speedsix:

ill give it a whirl

[10:39:37]

** stuarta contemplates buying an MCE remote **

[10:40:40]

speedsix:

juski: seems to pickup my default alsa settings and uses the passthrough

[10:42:35]

jduggan_:

coleague of mine just bought an mce remote

[10:42:38]

jduggan_:

said it worked well

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juski:

must've been u-bumgee fucking it up then

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jduggan_:

although he's using it with.. M$ mc :)

[10:43:23]

stuarta:

thats just silly using MCE. can pick up the remote new for about 20 quid

[10:43:37]

stuarta:

saw one yesterday that came with 2 IR blasters as well

[10:44:12]

jduggan_:

ive used the hauppauge pvr150 remote for about 6months now

[10:44:14]

jduggan_:

it works well

[10:44:23]

jduggan_:

no for me to go gettin anything different

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jduggan_:

er +reason

[10:44:36]

speedsix:

i use a logitech harmony in place of my hauppauge nova-t remote

[10:44:40]

speedsix:

grief

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stuarta:

i've got the 2 that came with my cards, they are a bit crap

[10:44:47]

juski:

that's my webpage banner header image updated :)

[10:45:44]

speedsix:

had to map it as so;

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speedsix:

myth keys > nova remote > logitech 'commands' > harmony buttons

[10:45:57]

speedsix:

total ballache

[10:46:02]

juski:

blech

[10:46:16]

juski:

but then the whole idea behind those harmony remotes has never appealed to me

[10:46:19]

speedsix:

and then the nova driver changed making every key repeat 4 times

[10:46:45]

juski:

lirc <3

[10:46:48]

speedsix:

when it works it works well, setting it up is hateful, the software is fine for generic stuff but trying to map it for myth

[10:47:03]

speedsix:

i had to get logitech to change it!!

[10:47:17]

speedsix:

emailed then, they updated it and it worked

[10:47:23]

speedsix:

so credit to them

[10:47:35]

juski:

big hassle though, by the sounds of it

[10:47:39]

speedsix:

oh yes

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juski:

I'll stick with me OFA-6 :)

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speedsix:

just to add some fun, my ir reciever is on the backend machine with the tv cards, lirc over the network, gah!!!

[10:50:03]

speedsix:

lirc daemon on the frontend connects to the i.p of lirc on the backend :( oh the pain

[10:52:49]

speedsix:

anyone seen '300' at the cinema yet?

[10:52:55]

speedsix:

superb

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Dagmar:

Did you know some people here are claiming that film is racist?

[11:04:23]

speedsix:

eh?

[11:05:10]

Dagmar:

Yep.

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speedsix:

why?

[11:05:23]

Dagmar:

Apparently they think it's unfair that all the "bad guys" are of arabic/middle-eastern decent.

[11:05:37]

speedsix:

oh dear

[11:05:41]

Dagmar:

Yep.

[11:05:52]

Dagmar:

He who does not study history is doomed to... make an ass of himself.

[11:06:07]

speedsix:

history is racist obviously

[11:12:22]

speedsix:

I see someone has managed to get Umbongo running on an Xbox 360

[11:12:40]

Dagmar:

I wonder what they'll do once they sober up

[11:12:49]

speedsix:

haha

[11:13:19]

speedsix:

hmm, myth on a 360

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stuarta:

myth on the ps3 has more possibilities

[11:14:12]

stuarta:

especially if the decoding can be offloaded to the cell processors

[11:14:17]

speedsix:

true

[11:14:39]

stuarta:

probably even manage h264 in realtime

[11:15:45]

stuarta:

might get one in 6 months time to hack on

[11:16:31]

speedsix:

sounds like a plan

[11:19:37]

speedsix:

i wish they wouldn't keep using the headline 'AACS Hacked' everytime someone discovers a key

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speedsix:

hacked, my arse

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Dagmar:

root@changvai:~# rm -rf /

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Dagmar:

Thou shalt not freaking portscan me for an hour and a half straight

[11:29:08]

Dagmar:

I need to go back to blacklisting the whole of asiapac

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Dagmar:

Wow

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neoalex:

hey guys, does mythtv support FusionHDTV5 and it's QAM capabilities

[11:46:03]

stuarta:

the kernel is the one that needs to support the card

[11:46:11]

stuarta:

we just talk to the kernel

[11:46:11]

Dagmar:

Maybe. Most of it boils down to what the kernel supports

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neoalex:

ok... so what options would I need to enable in my kernel if any for it?

[11:49:15]

Dagmar:

The right ones

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Dagmar:

Look under Device Drivers->Multimedia Devices->Video Capture Adapters

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Dagmar:

If you've already got the card, just turn all the stuff on as modules, build em, then reboot and hope udev can recognize it now

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neoalex:

k... thanks

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pac1:

!!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "paludis" have been masked.

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pac1:

oops wrong window

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juski:

if only 'neo' in The Matrix had been called 'Emo'

[11:59:27]

stuarta:

that's the childrens version

[12:01:03]

juski:

a hahahaha that tickles!

[12:01:51]

gardengnome:

juski: nope, i'm not to be blamed for that translation :)

[12:02:05]

juski:

hmmm what time did I start building minimyth again?... it should finish about +10 hours from then anyway

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stuarta:

at least 2 hours ago

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juski:

gardengnome: our conversation is like email today :-P

[12:02:39]

gardengnome:

juski: yeah, sorry. i've been a bit busy.

[12:02:54]

juski:

np – was only saying :)

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gardengnome:

heh

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gardengnome:

/lastlog ftw

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gardengnome:

it's 2pm, i should get some work done probably. ;)

[12:03:47]

stuarta:

i'm trying to decide if i should have lunch before i go out...

[12:03:51]

juski:

I've been doing more vigilante missions in GTA VC

[12:04:04]

gardengnome:

stuarta: of course you should.

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gardengnome:

juski: feeling relaxed, huh?

[12:04:32]

** stuarta is suffer from motivation failure **

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stuarta:

suffering

[12:04:43]

juski:

I am now. killed over 270 criminals

[12:05:01]

gardengnome:

juski: everyone is guilty of something these days.

[12:05:05]

gardengnome:

stuarta: same here.

[12:05:12]

gardengnome:

and i've had too much coffee this morning.

[12:05:28]

stuarta:

off to the pub later, so might just go for a large packet of crisps

[12:06:17]

gardengnome:

i find it amusing how a large part of social life in britain takes place in pubs :)

[12:06:44]

stuarta:

suns only out for 3–4 weekend days per year

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juski:

where else would it take place?

[12:06:55]

juski:

libraries?!

[12:07:06]

juski:

LUGs ? :-O

[12:07:14]

Zider:

LANs! :D

[12:07:16]

gardengnome:

juski: "lug"? i said SOCIAL life ;)

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gardengnome:

juski: dunno. a place where you can't get booze. mind you, i doubt we're much better ;)

[12:08:04]

juski:

ah fuck I was gonna go to Bowlers today

[12:08:25]

juski:

see if I could get meself a cheap USB HDD

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stuarta:

right, methinks it's time to make a seafood paella for lunch :)

[12:08:38]

gardengnome:

uh, it's not sunday, weird

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** juski dubs off another MD **

[12:10:23]

juski:

radiotimes is still orf

[12:11:04]

gardengnome:

ffs, the discussion pages in a wiki are NOT for support requests..

[12:11:45]

juski:

moderate the m-f'ing last one of em :)

[12:12:02]

gardengnome:

na, i'm gonna be nice...

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juski:

whoah.. that freevo2 ui looks spiffy!

[12:16:07]

gardengnome:

it's sad actually because it was a rather good support request.

[12:20:55]

speedsix:

if one wanted to report possible bugs in svn myth (and no doubt later realise it is one's own fault and one is being stupid) where would one do such a thing?

[12:21:11]

Dagmar:

speedix: The trac server works for me

[12:21:19]

Dagmar:

svn.mythtv.org

[12:21:26]

speedsix:

okie doke, will have a poke

[12:21:27]

gardengnome:

make sure to read the ticket howto there :)

[12:21:43]

speedsix:

and 'feature' requests?

[12:22:09]

gardengnome:

there's a wiki page.

[12:22:17]

speedsix:

gotcha

[12:22:21]

gardengnome:

the developers don't want feature requests in trac

[12:22:26]

speedsix:

k

[12:22:31]

juski:

the developers don't want feature requests

[12:22:33]

juski:

:-P

[12:22:56]

Dagmar:

That better not be the reason my right-justification patch hasn't been accepted

[12:23:16]

Dagmar:

Small feature requests that come with their own working and commented patches should probably be encouraged.

[12:23:27]

gardengnome:

KaZeR: are you active in the french mythtvtalk?

[12:23:45]

juski:

it's less of a request if somebody bothers to write some code

[12:26:26]

Dagmar:

...must...not...detail...every...button...on...remote...illustration...

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speedsix:

How is 'find and record one showing' supposed to work. For example I have 2 recordings sechduled for the same time, one won't record because it conflicts with the other. I would have guessed changing the conflicting one from 'Record this showing' to 'Find and record one showing' would find another showing later in the week and record that instead? but it doesn't

[12:27:16]

Dagmar:

And there's the problem with doing illustrations in my spare time while I'm at work.

[12:27:19]

Dagmar:

I can't drink.

[12:27:46]

juski:

is it even on later in the week? ;)

[12:28:04]

speedsix:

yeah, appears several times in my 2 week data

[12:29:32]

gardengnome:

does anyone have a *sensible* approach that doesn't involve eating nails? ;)

[12:30:25]

speedsix:

did I hear someone mention RT is down?

[12:30:41]

speedsix:

FAILED: xmltv returned error code 2304.

[12:30:52]

immolo:

juski- radiotimes was working last night

[12:32:02]

gardengnome:

actually, i got lost in the NFS realms yesterday. i installed nfs-user-server because it can do UID remapping but it doesn't support files > 2G. quite useless for mythtv.

[12:32:39]

immolo:

but checking my logs it was down this morning

[12:33:04]

immolo:

gardengnome- you need to change a config file to allow bigger then 2G on nfs

[12:33:05]

speedsix:

couldn't find a list of xmltv error codes anywhere

[12:33:23]

immolo:

been a few years since I did it on my server

[12:33:27]

gardengnome:

immolo: no, it seems that nfs-user-server simply doesn't support nfs version 2.

[12:33:42]

immolo:

oh I use version 3

[12:33:46]

gardengnome:

heh

[12:33:57]

** juski is very impressed by the freevo2 video on youtube **

[12:34:11]

gardengnome:

i'll have to find a way to syncrhonize the UIDs across my boxen. suppose i should add another group.

[12:34:27]

juski:

why can't they just develop for mythtv instead of freevo though? ;)

[12:35:35]

immolo:

I thought freevo was discontined

[12:36:01]

juski:

looks pretty damn healthy to me

[12:36:30]

immolo:

was last year when I last went on the freevo site :P

[12:37:13]

juski:

are there any apps with really nice guis based on Qt?

[12:37:26]

juski:

nice looking AND nice acting?

[12:39:20]

Dagmar:

*crickets*

[12:39:29]

gardengnome:

KDE?

[12:39:31]

gardengnome:

oh, wait.

[12:39:59]

Dagmar:

Yep. it has to be nice acting

[12:40:23]

juski:

from what I've seen in the mythtv code it'd help if there were libraries to just 'draw a nice scrollable list onscreen'

[12:40:41]

juski:

don't think qt has any stuff like that ripe for the picking

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stuarta:

paella cooking in progress :)

[12:52:11]

gardengnome:

EOUTOFRICE

[12:52:19]

stuarta:

:(

[12:52:32]

** gardengnome doesn't like rice anyways **

[12:53:49]

stuarta:

love rice. it's a stable food for a reason. all 700 odd varieties of it

[12:54:25]

juski:

wooo tv_grab_uk_rt is worky now. they must be having an off week

[12:55:16]

stuarta:

crap, need to do the washing up before the eating... ENOBOWLS

[12:55:22]

stuarta:

biab

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juski:

hrm Qscrollview has possibilities

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juski:

arghhhh

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juski:

!trout Jochen persistence

[12:59:48]

** MythLogBot slaps Jochen with a persistence trout on behalf of juski... **

[13:00:13]

gardengnome:

it's amusing

[13:00:38]

stuarta:

mmmmm tasty

[13:01:22]

juski:

<Bob Mortimer voice>He just wouldn't let it lie!</Bob Mortimer voice>

[13:05:06]

anykey_:

aaargh, bought the wrong cable :|

[13:05:35]

juski:

any self-respecting geek should have a cupboard full of various AV cables :)

[13:06:05]

anykey_:

I have, though not A/V but ethernet and all the computer "internal" stuff :-)

[13:09:26]

gardengnome:

same here

[13:16:55]

anykey_:

why can't they write that the cable is for s-video _to_ scart not s-video _from_ scart...

[13:17:38]

TheAsp:

gardengnome: nfs4 will do uid mapping

[13:18:19]

gardengnome:

TheAsp: thanks. do you know if it's available on 2.6.8, eg debian sarge?

[13:19:06]

TheAsp:

i think it's basically there

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TheAsp:

i know it doesn't do kerberos very well in sarge, but that isnt a problem for what you want

[13:19:43]

gardengnome:

thanks a lot, i will investigate.

[13:19:47]

gardengnome:

that'd make my day

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Dagmar:

Gah

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Dagmar:

I can never remember wiki formatting for images

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Dagmar:

Gonna try to do a whole set of infographics for the lirc section this morning http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC

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juski:

cool

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juski:

hey screen has transformed my ssh habits since I know how to use it better

[13:30:38]

gardengnome:

i get cramps from too much ^A^7 ;)

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TheAsp:

screen pisses me off, messes with my ^a :)

[13:48:39]

juski:

wth use is control-a anyway?

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Zider:

for controlling screen

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juski:

apart from that I mean ;)

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TheAsp:

beginning of line in emacs/bash/anything readline

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Zider:

selecting All in a document or filelist?

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GreyFoxx:

TheAsp: Ctrl-A A

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GreyFoxx:

that will work send a beginning of line

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TheAsp:

i do know that, but i don't like it :)

[14:01:07]

GreyFoxx:

I use it so much I find myself doing it even then not in screen heh

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juski:

... still building...

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juski:

damn this 2000Xp

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neopsyche:

How do i install myth tv?

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juski:

how do you find the docs & read them, paying special interest to any howtos for your distro

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neopsyche:

ok.

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juski:

hmm?

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juski:

you won't get walkthrough guides here :)

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juski:

which distro are you planning to use?

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juski:

knoppmyth is arguably the easiest for newbies

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juski:

infact arguably the easiest for everybody, but not everybody chooses that path

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juski:

if mythtv is all you want I strongly recommend knoppmyth

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neopsyche:

How can i update apt-get?

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juski:

sudo apt-get update

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neopsyche:

is optional in 5.10?

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gardengnome:

captain obvious to the rescue

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gardengnome:

neopsyche: sentence complete? plz!

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neopsyche:

because .. update doesnt seem to be updating in 5.10

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juski:

5.10 ?

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gardengnome:

you probably don't know what "update apt-get" means. you should read the man page.

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speedsix:

neopsyche: 5.10 as in Ubuntu? Use Synaptic

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juski:

well, been up in the attic & have _no_ idea wtf the weird noise I heard the other morning was

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juski:

after building this ver. of minimyth (0.20–21) I'll be upgrading the mythtv source to see if that's what causes the playback issue

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speedsix:

mytharchive is reeeeeeeeeeally slow on my system

[14:44:29]

speedsix:

do prefer the new way of adding recordings tho

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juski:

I need a terrahertz omgoptron cpu for that thing – it's way too slow here

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juski:

fails too often for non-specific reasons too.. velly flustrating

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speedsix:

never actually got it to work, just trying this new version

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speedsix:

tell a lie, got it working once but with sync issues

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juski:

actually I _think_ with a bit of tweaking I reckon it'd be pretty good

[14:47:42]

juski:

like make it run all the recordings thru with ffmpeg to strip all but the primary audio stream

[14:47:54]

juski:

before trying to run mythtranscode on em

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juski:

until the backend gets better PID filtering I might just continue to give it a miss though

[14:49:51]

juski:

by that I mean "just chuck the damn audio description / subtitle streams away please" :)

[14:50:16]

speedsix:

the thumb image selector page is confuzzling me

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juski:

I've always found the recording chooser hard going

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juski:

is it improved now?

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speedsix:

yeah there's no seperate 'add recordings' menus

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juski:

I might even theme it one day too

[14:51:11]

speedsix:

which makes alot of sense

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speedsix:

was really bizarre before

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juski:

I found it simple enough to use – just confusing in one of the menus – how to progress to the 'next' screen

[14:54:18]

neopsyche:

HOW CAN I UPDATE Ubuntu 6.06 to 6.10?

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juski:

neopsyche: you should be asking that in #ubuntu

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speedsix:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades

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juski:

NICELY

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** juski again wonders what the world would be like if 'Neo' in the Matrix was called 'Emo' instead **

[14:57:11]

RaYmAn-Bx:

there'd be even more emo people? :/

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juski:

whee mysql is gonna build now

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juski:

er.. hang on I thought minimyth only needed the client libs

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gardengnome:

heh

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gardengnome:

it's probably one big software package

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juski:

hmmm.. less work to do to make a complete minimythtv then :)

[15:01:25]

speedsix:

all that hassle going through mytharchive and it did.... nothing

[15:01:32]

speedsix:

not a sausage

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gardengnome:

speedsix: check the logs in the temp directory

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juski:

c'est la vie

[15:01:45]

speedsix:

doesn't even display anything on the log

[15:01:55]

speedsix:

the onscreen one

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gardengnome:

speedsix: there are two log files.

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speedsix:

ok hang on

[15:02:29]

speedsix:

i'll clear out the temp dir

[15:02:53]

speedsix:

full of crap from the last version

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juski:

got my aerial aligned better.. now mo signal, BER of 0000 – should mean less fuzzies

[15:04:13]

speedsix:

script error in mythburn.py

[15:04:26]

speedsix:

'no module named Image'

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juski:

missing python effort?

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speedsix:

the what now?

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speedsix:

missing python modules doh

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KaZeR:

gardengnome, yep i am

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KaZeR:

gardengnome, sorry for the lag :)

[15:43:54]

gardengnome:

KaZeR: np. was just wondering ;)

[15:43:55]

KaZeR:

gardengnome, hey you're laga :) we chatted long time ago. pm me if you wish

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KaZeR:

oh you're back

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gardengnome:

KaZeR: we can alk late,r i've got some errands to run ;)

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gardengnome:

talk later* ;)

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KaZeR:

np. i'm often hangin around

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gbee:

does anyone here normally run head with mythmusic? looking for some guinea pigs to update and try compiling with the new taglib dependancy

[16:04:32]

Dagmar:

Whew. Only one more graphic to go

[16:05:35]

Dagmar:

Maybe this will clear up some of the madness associated with newbies trying to get lirc working... if any of them ever bother to read the wiki

[16:17:38]

speedsix:

gah, mytharchive failed right at the end with an obscure error :(

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gardengnome:

speedsix: show us! i hope it's a nice riddle!

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speedsix:

just looking the log, seems its trying to use jpeg2yuv which I don't seem to have

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juski:

imagemagick perhaps?

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speedsix:

i guess not checking the dependencies list and relying on ./configure is a bad idea huh. Oh well, every day's a skool day

[16:23:33]

speedsix:

mjpegtools

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speedsix:

i think

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speedsix:

yep, try again

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opello:

hm, i can't seem to delete recordings

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Dagmar:

Okay... Anyone still confused by lirc look at the pictures in http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC

[16:46:34]

Dagmar:

It should be crystal freaking clear now

[16:46:43]

gbee:

any objections to changing the ratings in mythmusic from "0 to 10" to "1/2 to 5" with half stars?

[16:46:54]

speedsix:

nope

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speedsix:

gbee, no idea why AlbumArt isn't working for me in svn head?

[16:47:21]

Dagmar:

gbee: I was kinda suprised it wasn't like that already, actually

[16:47:31]

speedsix:

just get a '?' now

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gbee:

imho it's not easy to read a 10 star rating at a glance, 5 stars with half star ratings gives the same fidelity and is just easier to 'read'

[16:47:55]

gbee:

speedsix: have you rescanned?

[16:48:15]

speedsix:

no dont think so

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gbee:

album art info is now stored in the database, you need to rescan so that information can be added

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speedsix:

ok thanks ill give that a whirl

[16:49:56]

speedsix:

Dagmar: great work on the wiki, illustrations are superb

[16:50:21]

Dagmar:

I am *hoping* there will be no more confused newbies puzzling over lirc after they've looked at that

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dustybin:

HI guys my Lirc remote isnt working

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gbee:

Dagmar: I still don't get it

[16:50:57]

Dagmar:

LIRC is really straightforward, but it is also rather elaborate in the number of steps that happen between pushing a button and Myth being told about it

[16:51:09]

gbee:

:p

[16:51:17]

Dagmar:

gbee: Bleh. I'll put in troubleshooting guides for each step later on

[16:51:18]

dustybin:

Guys i press button but nothing happens

[16:51:32]

Dagmar:

The number of people who don't know how to use irw and irexec just kills me

[16:52:09]

Dagmar:

dustybin: you have to push the buttons of your remote control, not the buttons of nearby hackers.

[16:52:22]

Dagmar:

Oh wait that was probably a genuine complaint

[16:52:25]

Dagmar:

Heh

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speedsix:

Dagmar: try adding in a learning remote ala Harmony that uses different command names than the button names on the original remote!!!

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dustybin:

oh yes! :)

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speedsix:

I have a spreadsheet of the mappings..

[16:52:52]

Dagmar:

dustybin: So you installed lirc, right?

[16:53:03]

dustybin:

no my mythbox is working excellent! i was joking!

[16:53:10]

dustybin:

(unfunny joke)

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juski:

Dagmar: you should make a theme ya know! ;)

[16:53:26]

Dagmar:

speedsix: Dude, I use one of those One4All remotes made for a PVR and I just told it to behave like a Phillips remote, remapped a few leftover buttons, and I was done.

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speedsix:

Dagmar: can you tell Logitech that please

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dustybin:

Im going travelling for a few months in a couple of days, when i come back hopefully Debian Etch will be released and ill buy some silent Samsung Spinpoint Hard Drives and re-do the mythbox

[16:54:10]

Dagmar:

juski: I have done so many "infographics" lately I am actually thinking about just putting away worrying about the LCARS theme for awhile and doing a really obsessive infographics theme

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speedsix:

the command names they created based on my Hauppauge remote weren't the same names that were on the freaking buttons

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Dagmar:

speedsix: Well you *can* try more than one thing to tell it you want it to behave like

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gbee:

I still want to support lircd button info directly which would cut out the need for a lircrc file and simplfy setup quite a bit – too busy with mythmusic atm though

[16:55:31]

Dagmar:

What we really need is a spreadsheet showing which remotes have which buttons, but more importantly, WHICH ONES OF THE BEDAMMNED THINGS SUPPORT REPEAT CODES

[16:55:53]

juski:

don't all of them?

[16:55:58]

Dagmar:

gbee: Hell no

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Dagmar:

er

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Dagmar:

juski: Hell no

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Glaciality:

Hey guys

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Dagmar:

This is why the rc5 protocol is a useful thing

[16:56:26]

Glaciality:

This might sound dumb, but is it possible to disable TV functionality in MythTV?

[16:56:30]

juski:

I still think looking into a 'mythtv' OEM remote is a good idea

[16:56:33]

Dagmar:

Some buttons are like XT keys, you press them, and they emit one number and that is IT

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Glaciality:

And just use the music, video, games launching and internet functionality?

[16:57:03]

juski:

Glaciality: sure you can and there's more than one way to do it

[16:57:13]

Dagmar:

Some buttons are like AT keys, you press a button and it sends "Button Down" then "Which Button" and then "Still Down" every so often and then "Button UP" when you let off it

[16:57:18]

juski:

but FWIW, mythtv is way overblown for what you want

[16:57:28]

Dagmar:

Some buttons just send the same code over and over like auto repeat

[16:57:29]

Glaciality:

I was going to write my own solution

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Glaciality:

But apparently it's harder than it sounds

[16:57:39]

gbee:

Glaciality: you can use mythtv in that way, but you can't actually disable the TV functionality – you can just hide it

[16:57:42]

Dagmar:

...and my favorite is that more than a few remotes mix and match these goddamn things willy nilly

[16:57:45]

Glaciality:

Can you suggest another piece of software?

[16:57:57]

juski:

Glaciality: geexbox ?

[16:58:05]

Glaciality:

I'll look into that, thankyou. :)

[16:58:06]

Dagmar:

So I kinda doubt Myth will directly support remotes without lircrc because it's a fucking nightmare waiting to happen

[16:58:31]

juski:

well, what we need for myth to directly support remotes is sensible button names in lircd.conf files

[16:59:05]

Dagmar:

We'd probably be better off collecting sane information and then making strong recommendations that people use one of those remotes, and ship the lircrc files with Myth

[16:59:10]

Glaciality:

Does MythTV support the media center remote and USB receiever?

[16:59:31]

Dagmar:

Glaciality: All that stuff is in LIRC-space, and in theory it's supported

[16:59:32]

juski:

Glaciality: you mean does LINUX suuport the MCE remote & USB receiver?

[17:00:27]

dustybin:

The only thing i like about Windows Media Player is the standard GUI

[17:00:28]

Glaciality:

Well, yes.

[17:00:47]

Glaciality:

And can it be used to put the system into standby, then bring it out.

[17:00:48]

dustybin:

Theres lots of fades and flashy gfx floating about the screen

[17:01:25]

juski:

Glaciality: YMMV with the standby stuff in Linux

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juski:

dustybin: not a hope in hell for the bling of MCE to reach mythtv – at least not until 0.23 or so by my reckoning

[17:02:21]

Glaciality:

Hmm

[17:02:26]

Glaciality:

What does it depend on?

[17:02:35]

juski:

Glaciality: drivers mostly

[17:02:54]

juski:

you won't be able to power the system ON with the remote, for sure

[17:03:04]

juski:

not as standard.. I mean not without extra hardware

[17:03:06]

Glaciality:

But put it into a kind of standy?

[17:03:08]

Glaciality:

*standby

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juski:

suspend to ram & suchlike is unreliable as hell in linux

[17:03:27]

Glaciality:

I'd like it to be able to still do stuff and serve webpages while in standby

[17:03:38]

Glaciality:

Just switching the display off would be good.

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[17:03:51]

juski:

now there's an idea. just switch the TV off :-P

[17:04:01]

dustybin:

If i ever do create a theme im going to stick the Linux Penguin on it!

[17:04:02]

Glaciality:

I mean stopping the output

[17:04:14]

juski:

Glaciality: screensaver!

[17:04:19]

Glaciality:

Because it's on the same scart loop as another device.

[17:04:38]

dustybin:

People will look at my TV and say "wow, thats the linux penguin"

[17:04:50]

juski:

I hate that fucking penguin

[17:04:53]

dustybin:

"wow you must be runnning linux"

[17:05:05]

juski:

wow you have a pvr that actually works!

[17:05:11]

dustybin:

exactly

[17:05:22]

juski:

linux has fuck all to do with it :)

[17:05:33]

juski:

well maybe a little

[17:05:40]

dustybin:

of course it does, its the backbone

[17:06:04]

juski:

since MCE got its scheduled daily restart in rollup 2, all has been well with it apparently

[17:07:25]

psofa:

juski, im using it everyday (suspend on ram)

[17:07:47]

juski:

psofa: not that STR will let you still do anything with the machine of course ;)

[17:08:16]

psofa:

lol serously it works fine

[17:08:20]

kalidma:

anyone know how to troubleshoot udev issues

[17:08:25]

psofa:

as long as you are in X

[17:08:48]

juski:

kalidma: like devices swapping around?

[17:08:52]

kalidma:

yes

[17:09:01]

kalidma:

I wrote rules

[17:09:13]

kalidma:

put them in the right spot

[17:09:30]

dustybin:

does anybody have a link to some hi-res mythTV logos

[17:09:41]

Dagmar:

kalidma: First you need a sharp knife and a live goat

[17:09:53]

Dagmar:

dustybin: i have an eps file here somewhere

[17:09:54]

juski:

dustybin: yeah I've got some somewhere

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dustybin:

ok

[17:10:12]

juski:

not that I particularly feel like helping rival themes erupt

[17:10:17]

dustybin:

heh

[17:10:19]

Dagmar:

http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/mythtv.eps

[17:10:21]

kalidma:

I have 3 pchdtv cards and two pvr-250 and the friggin stupid pvr-250 cards

[17:10:22]

dustybin:

thanks

[17:10:24]

Dagmar:

I got it from Juski

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juski:

that's just the text ;)

[17:10:37]

Dagmar:

I figured I better keep it handy to save him more bother later

[17:10:45]

Dagmar:

Is it?

[17:10:47]

Dagmar:

Hmmm

[17:10:48]

dustybin:

i like .eps, they are usually vectors

[17:11:03]

juski:

there's a lame vector version in the wiki somewhere

[17:11:36]

kalidma:

So follks I tried to work with some folks on this in the knoppmyth forums

[17:11:42]

dustybin:

im not too keen on the blue backg

[17:11:49]

dustybin:

background on the badge

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Dagmar:

Craaap

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juski:

that's the bloody logo! you cannae mess with the logo!

[17:12:19]

Dagmar:

I'm going to have to remmeber to convert that to svg

[17:12:30]

dustybin:

the lettering on its own looks nice

[17:12:41]

dustybin:

oh ok

[17:13:11]

Glaciality:

Can someone help me with something on this page: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCI_Cards

[17:13:29]

juski:

seriously though – fair play to anyone doing a theme – just as long as it doesn't look anything like that bloody 'photo' effort

[17:13:29]

Glaciality:

The Nova-T 500, PCI: is it supported or not? The part for that card seems to refer to USB :/

[17:13:51]

Dagmar:

kalidma: Tell it which tuner to prefer then

[17:13:55]

Glaciality:

juski: If I end up using MythTV, I might make on called Shorebox: the name of my box.

[17:13:57]

juski:

Glaciality: it's 2 usb tuners on a pci card glued on with a pci usb bridge chip

[17:14:06]

Glaciality:

So will it work

[17:14:07]

Glaciality:

?*

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Glaciality:

*?

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juski:

YMMV

[17:14:20]

kalidma:

Dagmar I did I created rules

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Glaciality:

Damn

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juski:

it's reckoned to be unreliable, Glaciality

[17:14:31]

Glaciality:

Well I'd have to buy the rest of the hardware to find out.

[17:14:45]

Dagmar:

kalidma: Dude, I have yet to see anything resembling "rules" in the program

[17:14:53]

kalidma:

udev rule

[17:15:05]

Dagmar:

udev doesn't have anything to do with MythTV

[17:15:27]

kalidma:

Well it does if you are running a debian build

[17:15:27]

Dagmar:

The only thing udev would be good for would be making sure the cards enumerate in the right order.

[17:15:32]

Dagmar:

No, it doesn't.

[17:15:32]

kalidma:

exactly

[17:15:44]

kalidma:

so the problem is it calls the wrong tuner

[17:15:47]

Dagmar:

Pay attention to the rather obvious fact that what you are trying to do *does not work* and take that as a hint

[17:15:54]

juski:

dustybin: gonna upload a 1500x800 logo image in photoshop format

[17:16:01]

juski:

you can use GIMP to play with it

[17:16:05]

kalidma:

Dagmar check the forums people do it all the time

[17:16:07]

dustybin:

ok thanks, is it a layered PSD

[17:16:28]

kalidma:

i agree

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Dagmar:

kalidma: Okay, you're not listening.

[17:16:39]

Dagmar:

...and I'm not repeating myself any more.

[17:17:02]

Dagmar:

Don't come into a help channel and then argue with people who know way more than you. It's counterproductive.

[17:17:03]

juski:

Glaciality: it's reckoned to be unreliable, but it'll work

[17:17:16]

kalidma:

easy

[17:17:16]

juski:

my advice would be to NOT buy one

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Glaciality:

I already have one from my MCE

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Glaciality:

Which I'm scrapping in favor of MythTV

[17:17:34]

kalidma:

its just a communication issue, i agree with you

[17:17:43]

Glaciality:

The UI on that software has pissed me off enough now... xD

[17:17:51]

juski:

Glaciality: YMMV, like I said. people have reported problems with the devices going awol

[17:18:11]

Glaciality:

Are the problems likely to be fixed any time soon?

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juski:

no idea

[17:18:37]

Glaciality:

Okay, well.

[17:18:42]

juski:

look on the linuxtv mailing list

[17:18:57]

Glaciality:

Is there a flavor of Linux you could reccomend? I usually use CentOS, but I was thinking Fedora possibly?

[17:19:13]

juski:

whatever distro you're most comfortable using

[17:19:16]

Dagmar:

Bleh. I dont' care for the way CentOS tries to act like they invented it.

[17:19:22]

visit0r_:

ubuntu is an easy choice

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dustybin:

debian etch is a stable choice

[17:19:33]

juski:

yay distrowars!

[17:19:34]

visit0r_:

no match for it at the moment

[17:19:42]

juski:

visit0r_: says YOU

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Glaciality:

A tad too easy, I'm not so keen on Ubuntu

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visit0r_:

juski: haha :)

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Glaciality:

I run all my servers on CentOS as I said.

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Glaciality:

Which is a bit like Red Hat Enterprise

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visit0r_:

ok, for desktop ubuntu is *awesome* :D

[17:20:26]

Glaciality:

So how easy it is isn't a problem

[17:20:31]

juski:

I heard a rumour mythtv on centos is dead easy, but then that was the guy from CentOS at LinuxWorld Expo telling me that

[17:20:34]

Glaciality:

I have Gentoo on my desktop

[17:20:38]

opello:

who should own the recordings and the directory they're in?

[17:20:47]

juski:

opello: mythtv

[17:20:50]

opello:

group?

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dustybin:

visit0r_: there is no difference between ubuntu and debian apart from debian being x10000 more stable

[17:21:05]

juski:

ultimately it depends on the user mythbackend is running as

[17:21:19]

visit0r_:

dustybin: sure, stable is stable but it's also pretty old too :(

[17:21:29]

visit0r_:

dustybin: excellent for servers though

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opello:

i have a single frontend/backend machine; so <frontenduser> for uid, <backendgroup> for gid?

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juski:

dustybin: www.juski.co.uk/mythlogo.psd

[17:21:43]

dustybin:

thanks :)

[17:21:44]

opello:

(which should both be mythtv, i imagine?)

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opello:

(or mythtv:root?)

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Dagmar:

opello: Umm.. not really

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juski:

dustybin: but if you end up making just another lame theme I'll whoop yo ass

[17:22:17]

Dagmar:

You can run it all as root, or run it all as mythtv.mythtv

[17:22:18]

dustybin:

visit0r_: rumours have it, debian etch will be released in 1–2 weeks

[17:22:34]

juski:

hey with all these new themes kicking around does that mean I can retire now?

[17:22:37]

Dagmar:

What you do using gid or uid is entirely dependent on how you want to assign permission to the hardware devices

[17:22:43]

opello:

Dagmar: it's apache:apache now, and can't seem to delet things

[17:22:48]

opello:

delete*

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Dagmar:

opello: So what uid owns the files and the directory they're in?

[17:23:06]

opello:

and i was playing with mythstreamtv, but it might have changed the permissions

[17:23:17]

juski:

opello: like I said, it depends which user runs mythbackend

[17:23:19]

juski:

gees

[17:23:23]

dustybin:

juski: no way. im from a artworking background so things should be ok! my influence of design the kind of Apple design

[17:23:24]

Dagmar:

Because you're basically telling me you have a process that created files it can not delete, which is not very darn likely

[17:23:28]

visit0r_:

dustybin: that's good news, but seriously though, imho ubuntu is best you get for *desktop* atm

[17:23:36]

opello:

juski: well, mythtv is the owner of the pid for the backend, and mythtv is the owner of the files

[17:23:36]

juski:

dustybin: you seen neon-wide?

[17:23:48]

opello:

Dagmar: unless, say some intermediary step changed something

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visit0r_:

juski: or what you prefer for desktop?

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juski:

opello: mythtv prolly needs to be the owner of the dir too

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dustybin:

visit0r_: there is no difference? tell me one thing ubuntu can do debian cant?

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visit0r_:

dustybin: which debian you refer to? sid?

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Dagmar:

Just run the stuff as mythtv.mythtv and chown all of it's files to that

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juski:

what the fuck does it matter what I prefer? make up your own minds what to use

[17:24:20]

dustybin:

juski: i dont have a wide display but ive seen it

[17:24:24]

visit0r_:

juski: I have, just asking your opinion :)

[17:24:29]

juski:

oh noes! not a 4:3 theme

[17:24:39]

opello:

juski: thanks

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dustybin:

visit0r_: i use debian testing

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juski:

get wide already :)

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opello:

Dagmar: your dot syntax is deprecated :p

[17:24:55]

Dagmar:

So what, it still works

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visit0r_:

dustybin: for desktop? ok, why not... I just like new versions of packages more

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dustybin:

juski: it will be 4:3 to start with yes

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opello:

Dagmar: rationale for use, excellent

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dustybin:

visit0r_: new versions of packages what havent been tested properly..

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juski:

dustybin: mythtv.org needs a designer... see www.mythtv.org for details. I started stuff but ran out of ideas fast

[17:26:15]

Dagmar:

opello: I wind up still having to use two or more unix variants on a weekly basis. I long ago gave up worrying that much about syntax

[17:26:31]

dustybin:

ok ill check it out, im going travelling in a few days for a good few months but once i get back ill look into it

[17:26:33]

Dagmar:

If it does what I want, I'm happy

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visit0r_:

dustybin: well, with open source I've used to it: you are always like a beta tester, newer upstream versions usually mean more bugs fixed than some distro package patches for old verions

[17:26:59]

dustybin:

ok

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Dagmar:

opello: I've actually done a demo of something on a Solaris box and _said_ "user dot group" while I typed "user:group"

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Dagmar:

Heh

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opello:

heh

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opello:

user:group seems to work everywhere for me, irix, solaris, and linux

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Dagmar:

It does and it will

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Dagmar:

I still type user.group on Linux tho because that's the way I learned it, on Linux

[17:31:54]

Dagmar:

'cept generally all bets are off with AIX and DG/UX (if god hates you and you have to use this one)

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juski:

there we go.. www.juski.co.uk

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dustybin:

ive got all me logos, juski: can u recommend a theme to use for a 4:3 template?

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juski:

retro would be a good one, but take a look at how mepo-wide works

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dustybin:

ok

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juski:

anyone who might've missed the announcement: "IMPORTANT: The 4:3 (non-wide aspect) GUI themes listed here will no longer be updated from 1st April 2007. That means if stuff breaks, it won't be getting fixed. Ya boo sucks, etc etc etc."

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dustybin:

ok, im going to use the retro theme as a guide for the scale too

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juski:

800x600

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juski:

base res

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juski:

and follow the guidelines about overscan or be damned

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juski:

leave a minimum 5% margin at all screen edges – don't put text or icons there

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dustybin:

ok

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juski:

what I usually do is load all the existing images into an editor & draw my stuff on top – only works well if you want to keep the same layout of course

[17:41:21]

harryman100:

Hi, I'm having trouble with mythweb – the streaming links in the recorded program section don't work for me...

[17:41:57]

dustybin:

im going to throw everything into photoshop and work with layers

[17:42:16]

harryman100:

I get 1084_20070330180000.mpg does not exist in the recordings directory.

[17:42:23]

harryman100:

but it does...

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dustybin:

harryman100: u need to create a symbolic link to where your recordings are

[17:43:16]

juski:

dustybin: a good idea for the button watermarks (images associated with each menu button) is to have em all on their own layer & save em out one at a time – helps keep consistency ;)

[17:43:22]

harryman100:

dustybin: done

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dustybin:

juski: im copying and pasting what u say

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harryman100:

ls WEBROOT/data/recordings shows all the required .mpg files

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dustybin:

harryman100: maybe its a permissions problem

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harryman100:

I've tried chmod 0777 for that dir, didn't help

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harryman100:

(and files in it)

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dustybin:

apache is www-data

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speedsix:

mytharchive worked but still has out of sync audio :(

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juski:

dustybin: got paintshop pro?

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dustybin:

no i only use photoshop, been using it for years

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dustybin:

im a Adobe only man

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harryman100:

mythweb has no problem creating/showing the thumbnails

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juski:

ahh I've tried exporting my watermarks file as an example but it comes out flat

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dustybin:

harryman100: check your sym links in: /var/www/mythweb/data point to the right place

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dustybin:

and make sure those sym links are chmod 777

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juski:

aha!

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harryman100:

dustybin: done, and symlinks have no permissions, they take the permissions of whatever you link them to (in actual fact symlinks are always 777, but you can't access what they point to if the permissions are too restrictive)

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dustybin:

ok

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juski:

dustybin: www.juski.co.uk/watermark.psd – all the vector stuff is gorn I'm afraid – give it a minute to upload

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dustybin:

ok thanks

[17:52:42]

phatmonkey:

is there any way of getting mythmusic to act a bit more like itunes? browse by artist/album, one button shuffle etc. the current playlist method is very confused for the non-geeks in the house, and doesn't work the way i want it to

[17:52:54]

phatmonkey:

*confusing

[17:53:07]

kormoc:

phatmonkey, yes, you can code it to be more like itunes and submit patches

[17:53:19]

dustybin:

lol

[17:53:20]

phatmonkey:

damn, thought somebody would say that ;)

[17:53:50]

juski:

hahahaha

[17:54:18]

phatmonkey:

seriously though, is the winampy style playlist way the only way it works? or have i glanced over an option somewhere

[17:54:18]

juski:

you could get mythmusic to act abit more liek itunes by crippling it with DRM I suppose

[17:54:33]

juski:

you've not missed anything AFAIK

[17:54:58]

juski:

but you can add to the playlist on the fly by searching & stuff

[17:55:08]

juski:

and go into shuffle mode... weighted shuffle...

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juski:

rtfm :)

[17:55:57]

juski:

pity you can't change the browsing order – that maybe wouldn't be too hard to implement

[17:56:22]

SirTuxalot:

Greetings, I was wondering if anyone here had an issue of the backend server dropping after a recording. Also, it seems as though the only way to restart the back end is to reboot the machine. Thank you.

[17:56:29]

juski:

album browsing with a gallery of albumart would be nice tho

[17:56:52]

** juski puts the shotgun barrel in his mouth & gently squeezes the trigger **

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phatmonkey:

a 3 column genre/artist/album browsing similar to itunes would be neat, with a big button to shuffle the whole library

[18:00:00]

phatmonkey:

sigh, i have a couple of weeks free, might explore the mythmusic code

[18:01:59]

phatmonkey:

oh

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phatmonkey:

is there any way of playing a cd from the drive too

[18:02:22]

phatmonkey:

i know there's an import cd function, but i couldn't find a play cd function last time i tried

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Wibble-:

hi – I'm getting quite frustrated with the mythtv scheduler in 0.20, but it was working fine in 0.18 so I don't know whats going wrong! Basically it is deciding not to record programs. I set up a schedule on "Doctor Who" and when I came to try and watch it, it hadn't been recorded. It claimed tonights episode would be recorded at an earlier time, even thuogh there was no recording. I have duoble checked the recording settings and it

[18:17:50]

Wibble-:

should not be a duplicate according to the match policy... any ideas?

[18:18:26]

Wibble-:

(by the way, this has also happened with other shows where there are two episodes in a row – it was sometimes deciding not to record the first one even though I hadn't previously recorded it)

[18:21:02]

Ribs:

check upcoming recordings

[18:21:06]

Ribs:

is it all screwed up?

[18:21:15]

Ribs:

or worse... blank

[18:21:28]

Wibble-:

They are either not listed or shown as previously recorded (all options are visible). The not listed ones surprised me more.

[18:22:04]

Wibble-:

Not listed in upcoming, but when I looked in the listings, they have the green dotted border (mythweb) to say previously recorded.

[18:22:31]

Wibble-:

which seems odd because I would assume the two bits of info came from the same place!

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Ribs:

indeed

[18:24:04]

Ribs:

I've never attempted a 0.18 to 0.20 upgrade before

[18:24:11]

Wibble-:

I didn't – fresh 0.20 install...

[18:24:15]

Ribs:

oh

[18:24:18]

Ribs:

no idea then

[18:24:24]

Ribs:

never had that very odd problem

[18:24:45]

Ribs:

fyi, ubuntu fiesty appears to have decent mythtv packages in it

[18:25:03]

Wibble-:

are they different to the packages in dapper?

[18:25:09]

Ribs:

yeah

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Ribs:

much more up to date

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Ribs:

even compared to the backported package

[18:25:27]

Ribs:

which is incomplete anyway

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Wibble-:

uhhh ok – I thought I had the latest version!

[18:26:16]

Ribs:

nah, dappers packages are old

[18:26:21]

Ribs:

not even 0.20

[18:26:27]

Ribs:

I think they are 0.19

[18:26:30]

Ribs:

or .18

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Dagmar:

ue

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Dagmar:

er... euwww

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Dagmar:

.18 is ancient

[18:27:32]

Ribs:

Wibble-, http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_pac . . . ;release=all

[18:27:34]

Ribs:

check that out :)

[18:27:52]

Ribs:

unless you got your packages for dapper from elsewhere, you're not running 0.20 as you thought

[18:27:56]

Wibble-:

well I've got 0.20–0.2ubuntu2 installed – so it must be the bakcport...

[18:28:06]

Wibble-:

backport*

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Ribs:

ah yeah

[18:28:37]

Wibble-:

oh I'm not on dapper – I'm on edgy eft :)

[18:28:42]

Ribs:

oh

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Ribs:

heh

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Wibble-:

That might explain a few things :)

[18:29:06]

Wibble-:

I get confused with the names :/ I just know its 6.10

[18:29:14]

Ribs:

could've mentioned that before I went off on a tagent there :P

[18:29:26]

Wibble-:

Well you looked like you were enjoying yourself...

[18:29:27]

Ribs:

I didn't have issues with the edgy packages

[18:29:46]

Wibble-:

k

[18:29:47]

Ribs:

and I've certainly never had the issue you've described

[18:29:50]

Ribs:

on any distro

[18:30:08]

Ribs:

(tried a few distros for mythtv before I finally settled down)

[18:30:19]

Wibble-:

as much as I hate it I think I might have to re-install :/

[18:30:25]

Dagmar:

you REALL.

[18:30:30]

Dagmar:

bleh

[18:31:23]

Dagmar:

you really need to use the docs they have up for edgy, specifically

[18:32:01]

Wibble-:

these docs: http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php ? Or are there better ones?

[18:32:07]

Wibble-:

Thats the one I followed

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Dagmar:

IRC through screen over PalmOS is painful

[18:33:11]

Dagmar:

There is one on theUbuntu site you need

[18:33:30]

Wibble-:

hmmmm ok – I'll hunt for that one

[18:34:12]

Dagmar:

They just recently updated it because their users were driving us batty.

[18:34:36]

Wibble-:

Aren't we just wonderful at that :)

[18:35:01]

Dagmar:

...particularly with respect to the mysql end of things

[18:36:50]

Dagmar:

Man it was literally every night the same set of problems.

[18:36:56]

Wibble-:

Curious – that bit just worked perfectly for me!

[18:37:20]

Wibble-:

Perhaps I'll have to come back here when the ubuntu guide doesn't work as well as the one I followed before ;)

[18:37:31]

Dagmar:

Thatand whatever insanity they've built into sudo.

[18:38:25]

Dagmar:

I *still* don't know how they managed to break sudo.

[18:39:10]

Wibble-:

in what way is it broken?

[18:39:21]

Dagmar:

...maybe people needlessly exporting the display variable.

[18:40:04]

Dagmar:

They would get X authentication errors starting the backend.

[18:40:13]

Dagmar:

Go figure.

[18:40:35]

Wibble-:

ah I see ah well

[18:41:57]

Ribs:

Wibble-, the ubuntu wiki has a nice guide

[18:42:12]

Dagmar:

I kept having to tell people to set a pw on the root ccount and to use su

[18:43:13]

Wibble-:

I've found it now – thanks Ribs

[18:43:26]

Ribs:

no problem

[18:43:44]

Wibble-:

its a bit odd though... wants me to install some dodgy window managers :P

[18:43:52]

Ribs:

you can always work around it

[18:43:56]

Ribs:

change bits

[18:44:01]

Ribs:

it worked well when I followed it

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Ribs:

but the memory usage was higher than I wanted, due to gdm etc...

[18:44:21]

Wibble-:

yeah, I'll give it a go

[18:44:24]

Dagmar:

Depending on some things you may not need a wm at all

[18:44:34]

Wibble-:

*nod* I don't have one ATM

[18:44:42]

Ribs:

I've turned my PVR into my main PC now

[18:44:51]

Ribs:

so I have a full Gnome setup as well, heh

[18:45:03]

Ribs:

2gb of memory took care of any memory issues I was having

[18:45:09]

Dagmar:

Afaict you only need one if you use an external player.

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msmyth:

can anyone please help me w/ QAM? best way to build a channels.conf?

[18:46:15]

Ribs:

I found having a window manager was helpfull

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Ribs:

to debug, setup and do xmltv with

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juski:

bloody GAR

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Dagmar:

heh

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juski:

12 hours building stuff, then it fails to download something

[18:49:17]

Dagmar:

What's the matter... you have something against make?

[18:49:25]

Dagmar:

ahhh...

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juski:

here's a far-out idea – download the complete sources first & stop if they fail to download

[18:50:00]

Dagmar:

Not really doable with that infrastucture.

[18:50:49]

juski:

why not? make garchive downloads all the sources first – it just doesn't stop on errors

[18:50:52]

Dagmar:

What he needs is a more robust downloader that can handle theconcept of mirrors.

[18:51:26]

juski:

failed to grab some emulator or other :(

[18:51:30]

juski:

sdl-something

[18:51:56]

Dagmar:

Geez it's depending on SDL?

[18:52:34]

juski:

aha! found the --stop option :)

[18:52:50]

Dagmar:

I'm not even sure if I even have that installed anymore.

[18:53:20]

juski:

nope --stop didn't work

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Kritter:

Commflagging seems to have issues with foodtv.

[18:54:08]

Dagmar:

Commflagging isn't an exact science.

[18:54:16]

Kritter:

so true.

[18:54:33]

Dagmar:

Darn those advertisers

[18:54:37]

juski:

sdlmess wasn't found – nor (seemingly) was valgrind

[18:54:40]

Kritter:

just feeling paranoid I have some autotranscoding going on that's throwing away show and keeping ads.

[18:55:16]

Dagmar:

I don't autotrans for that very reason.

[18:55:31]

Kritter:

I don't think I am... but I'm not sure anymore.

[18:55:42]

Kritter:

spent so much time in settings windows the last 2–3days.

[18:55:55]

Dagmar:

The only solution I can come up with would make people's DBs explode.

[18:56:20]

juski:

I just press 4 right arrow :)

[18:56:25]

juski:

gets most of em

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Dagmar:

I've noticed many channels are *very* consistent about when their breaks are.

[18:58:15]

Dagmar:

With NTP and historical data, Sci-Fi would be almost 100% accurate.

[18:58:57]

Dagmar:

...but the db cost to log thatwould be ludicrous.

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** Kritter huts for 'auto transcode' settings. **

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juski:

looks like Pablo is removing stuff right now.. or updating, one of the 2

[19:00:31]

Dagmar:

I think that's part of the recording profiles...

[19:02:45]

Dagmar:

I mean for authentication.

[19:02:58]

Dagmar:

wrong chan

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juski:

fuck it. deleting the emulators

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** xris grumbles.. looks like you can't do lossless transcode on HD recordings **

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juski:

I'm going off this idea fast. the build system is one hell of a shapeshifter

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msmyth:

can anyone please help me w/ QAM? best way to build a channels.conf?

[19:12:26]

juski:

arghhH! there's MORE stuff missing!!

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AndyCap:

Dagmar: can't you keep a "running average" of the times? :P or something like rrd.

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Dagmar:

That would involve storing all that info

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Kritter:

bah I think I missed one frame on my manual detection.

[19:17:23]

juski:

rm -rf gar-minimyth-0.20–21

[19:17:25]

juski:

oops

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Dagmar:

db volume would increase tenfold

[19:18:07]

Dagmar:

<-- very DB concious

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Dagmar:

My /var/lib/mysql is tight as it is.

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Dagmar:

The breaks seem to be consistent only foreach program block from what I can tell so far

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Dagmar:

I need to sit don and write something to dump the cutlists to tell more.

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AndyCap:

Dagmar: so they ignore "obvious" breaks in shows?

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Dagmar:

Serials tend to put breaks in fixed locations.

[19:25:21]

Dagmar:

...but different serials have 'em in diff places it seems

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Dagmar:

I've been having to write the timesv down to figure out what I have so far

[19:26:11]

AndyCap:

achaa. so you'd need one per show.

[19:26:17]

Dagmar:

Yep

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juski:

Dagmar: the problem with gar-minimyth is some things are hosted on linpvr.org – and they can get removed

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juski:

I can edit files to get the right download location but it's a royal PITA when the script doesn't stop

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TSCHAK:

grrrr...

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TSCHAK:

i am installing mythweb

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TSCHAK:

why are all my links coming up /video instead of /mythweb/video?

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msmyth:

should the channel scanner in myth be good enough to discover all of my clear QAM stations on cable?

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TSCHAK:

n/m fixed

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gbee:

anyone want to try building mythmusic head?

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gbee:

come on, where's your sense of adventure?

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Como|Lappy:

mmmkay, building my first mythbox

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Como|Lappy:

ive had the tuner for a while, its iether the pvr-250 or the pvr-350, i forget

[20:10:33]

Como|Lappy:

...looks like the 350

[20:10:45]

Como|Lappy:

so, i've got it in a system, with a basic OS installed

[20:15:25]

Como|Lappy:

so, yeah

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Como|Lappy:

anyone up for some one-on-one helping of newbie? (myself)

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gardengnome:

feel free to ask a question :)

[20:17:48]

opello:

what distro?

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Como|Lappy:

slakware, 11

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Como|Lappy:

first time using 11, i'm fairly comfortable in 9.1

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niter3:

the weird thing here is I cannot see anything except it can get my upcoming shows from mythbackend. So it's making some type of connection ton the database then.

[20:18:21]

opello:

Como|Lappy: ah, never tried slack :)

[20:19:09]

Como|Lappy:

well its almost identical to gentoo/debian in the hardware aspect of things

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niter3:

Any idea. The ports for my mythbackend are on a visable ip and the same with mysql

[20:19:38]

opello:

Como|Lappy: well, you'll probably need to install ivtv and mythtv .. however you go about that in mythtv

[20:19:54]

Como|Lappy:

ah, ivtv- what is that?

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niter3:

Como|Lappy: driver

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niter3:

module

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opello:

ivtvdriver.org

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Como|Lappy:

well thats probably where to start, ten

[20:20:15]

Como|Lappy:

then

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niter3:

:)

[20:20:35]

Como|Lappy:

let me get that sucker online so i can ssh into it

[20:21:31]

Como|Lappy:

mmmmkay

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Como|Lappy:

is that a driver/module for hauppage cards, or a generic something or other

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gardengnome:

Como|Lappy: you should read some documentation ;)

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xoritor:

has anyone ever setup mythv on a laptop?

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xris:

niter3: actual error messages would be helpful

[20:23:22]

opello:

Como|Lappy: mainly hauppauge, but supports some other cards

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niter3:

xris: I don't have an actual error message

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niter3:

It just states Failed to Connect To Database

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AndyCap:

xoritor: only run a frontend on mine. :P

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xoritor:

hmm

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xoritor:

i have a laptop with a tvtuner in it... wanted to see if i could set it up so while im on the road i can use it ;-)

[20:25:18]

AndyCap:

xoritor: the big question is: does linux support the tuner.

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niter3:

I've also just confirmed with MYSQL administrator that I can connect from remote clients.. So I know that it's allowed to see the database

[20:25:24]

AndyCap:

the rest is gravy

[20:25:31]

xoritor:

AndyCap, exactly!

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xoritor:

heh

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gbee:

xoritor: as a frontend, but there is no reason at all why it wouldn't work as a backend

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xoritor:

i have been searching and searching ... i think it may be a haupauge (sp?)

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xris:

niter3: not familiar with xbmc mythtv.. does it respect "-v all" ?

[20:26:02]

AndyCap:

xoritor: and not sure if mythtv is the best if you move around to new places all the time.

[20:26:08]

AndyCap:

xoritor: pci or usb or?

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gbee:

hauppauge

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xoritor:

built in

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xoritor:

Multimedia video controller: Conexant Unknown device 5b7a

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niter3:

xmbc mythtv is a python script that runs off of xbox.

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AndyCap:

xoritor: see it in lspci?

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xoritor:

thats the device

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xoritor:

i dunno... didnt open it

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niter3:

I was hoping I could find somebody that has set this up before

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AndyCap:

ok. xoritor lspci -n ? for the pci id.

[20:27:31]

xoritor:

06:09.0 0400: 14f1:5b7a

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niter3:

I have a gut feeling that I might need a diff version of xbmc mythv

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AndyCap:

xoritor: I guess you want the ivtv driver in some packaged version for your distro?

[20:29:06]

WattoDaToydarian:

Can someone that knows how to work with the mythtv database help me with a problem that prevents my frontend from getting the filename of a recording?

[20:29:17]

xoritor:

yea i have it already

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xoritor:

when i load it its not showing anything more though

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sECuRE_:

how to stop recording when i can not go into tv-mode anymore?

[20:29:59]

niter3:

well according to the documents I have a good xbmc version...

[20:30:05]

niter3:

hrm....... wonder what else.

[20:30:05]

sECuRE_:

i've started it, stopped mythtfrontend and now can't stop it

[20:30:14]

niter3:

Is there anyone here that has setup "XBMC mythtv" ???

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gbee:

WattoDaToydarian: do you know the cause and want help with the solution? Or you want help to find the cause?

[20:30:38]

WattoDaToydarian:

niter3 I have it on my xbox

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AndyCap:

xoritor: sorry: "The cx23418 is not supported, nor are there plans to do so. "

[20:30:47]

niter3:

WattoDaToydarian: Have you gotten it to work?

[20:31:03]

xoritor:

yea figured

[20:31:06]

WattoDaToydarian:

gbee I think I know the cause and I would like help

[20:31:17]

gbee:

niter3: you might need to be patient – if you name it, then someone who visits here has done it but they aren't here 24/7

[20:31:26]

WattoDaToydarian:

niter3 it works to a point for me

[20:31:30]

AndyCap:

xoritor: that may change though if someone cand find specs, or some major reverse engineering

[20:31:46]

AndyCap:

xoritor: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . 78;list=ivtv

[20:32:08]

Como|Lappy:

uh ohes

[20:32:36]

WattoDaToydarian:

niter3 for the latest mythtv code from the head branch to work you will need the latest cvs version of XBMC mythtv

[20:32:45]

Como|Lappy:

On the ivtv driver documentation, it says i'll need to add 'BT848 Video For Linux (CONFIG_VIDEO_BT848)' to my kernel, along with a handfull of other things- I cannot seem to locate this one, even grepping .config

[20:33:10]

WattoDaToydarian:

gbee: Could you help me?

[20:33:16]

niter3:

WattoDaToydarian: what is the latest mythtv?

[20:33:32]

xoritor:

AndyCap, thx for the feedback... thats about everything i found too

[20:33:38]

xoritor:

ill just use it as a frontend

[20:33:40]

xoritor:

;-)

[20:33:41]

xoritor:

heh

[20:33:50]

xoritor:

damned thing even has hdmi out

[20:34:01]

WattoDaToydarian:

niter3: .20 is the latest official which should work with the latest XBMC mythtv official

[20:34:04]

AndyCap:

why are conexant such evil bastards?

[20:34:12]

xoritor:

2 sata hard drives, etc...

[20:34:13]

AndyCap:

consistently.

[20:34:15]

xoritor:

hahaha

[20:34:20]

xoritor:

cause they are GREEDY

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AndyCap:

xoritor: what laptop is this?

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xoritor:

toshiba qosmio g35-av650

[20:34:47]

AndyCap:

xoritor: uhh, if they support linux people are going to buy more hardware.

[20:34:50]

xoritor:

i only have 1 gig of ram in it though

[20:34:51]

AndyCap:

but noooo.

[20:35:09]

gbee:

WattoDaToydarian: I might, but I can't make any commitment :) Depending on the problem it might be best to explain it here and let everyone offer an opinion/help

[20:35:21]

niter3:

WattoDaToydarian: I'm running mythtv v.20

[20:35:36]

xoritor:

AndyCap, i agree... but THEY think there is no market, and that making deals with people like toshiba is the best way to make them big money

[20:35:52]

niter3:

and xbmc mythtv 20.31

[20:36:10]

WattoDaToydarian:

niter3 that should work if you have it setup correctly

[20:36:59]

niter3:

WattoDaToydarian: That's what I'm thinking too...

[20:37:09]

xoritor:

yea

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niter3:

WattoDaToydarian: Weird thing is, it complains it can't connect to the database, but I can view the upcoming recordings.

[20:37:20]

xoritor:

i have to deal with peple like that all the time

[20:37:26]

niter3:

So obviously it's making a connecton

[20:37:59]

xoritor:

oh well

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opello:

does it connect on the mysql port for that, and then the mythtv management port for the upcoming recordings?

[20:38:11]

WattoDaToydarian:

gbee: Ok, a while ago I split up my frontend and backend and put them on different machines. I moved the recording file and mythconverg database files to the new server. On my frontend it get an error that says "GetRecordBasename found no entry" as it fails to playback a recording file.

[20:38:16]

opello:

maybe you're blocking mysql connections or something silly

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WattoDaToydarian:

niter3: Did you allow external connections with mysql?

[20:39:54]

gbee:

WattoDaToydarian: give me a minute

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niter3:

WattoDaToydarian: Yes..

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niter3:

WattoDaToydarian: I've tested it out too on a diff computer which works

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niter3:

using mysql administrator tools

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xoritor:

is it still a PITA to get a system working with both bttv and ivtv drivers ?

[20:42:55]

WattoDaToydarian:

niter3: That's a tuffy

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Como|Lappy:

http://www.netman86.com/ivtvmake

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niter3:

WattoDaToydarian: I'm loading a diff version of xbmc mythtv

[20:43:46]

niter3:

see if that works

[20:43:48]

niter3:

a version older

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WattoDaToydarian:

gbee: That makes since but I duplicated the location on the new server for the recordings and entered the same storage area in mythtv-setup. Is there a way I can set it properly using something?

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gbee:

WattoDaToydarian: try running with "-v database" – the line immediately before the error would help

[20:46:10]

WattoDaToydarian:

gbee: in the frontend or backend?

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niter3:

ok just about done transferring

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niter3:

ok testing

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gbee:

backend

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gbee:

I think

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WattoDaToydarian:

gbee: -v all command on the frontend gives me this just before the error: "MSqlQuery: SELECT basename FROM recorded WHERE chanid = '1093' AND starttime = '2007-03–31T10:00:00';" and I'm gunna look at the backend

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gbee:

WattoDaToydarian: actually no, that's what I was after

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gbee:

can you run that query in mysql and see what it says?

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WattoDaToydarian:

gbee: ok good cus I did a -v all earlier on the backend and I cant find anything.. lol

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xoritor:

gack WattoDaToydarian barfed out sql!

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gbee:

I couldn't remember whether we fetched the programinfo from the backend or frontend ;)

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t0ny-p40:

oops

[20:51:24]

t0ny-p40:

i mean this one

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niter3:

WattoDaToydarian: Ok so version 19 of XBMC Mythtv can't even loaded my upcoming shows or anything at all.

[20:51:26]

t0ny-p40:

iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --syn --state NEW --dport 22 -m limit --limit 1/minute --limit-burst 1 -j ACCEP

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t0ny-p40:

wtf... I'm still in #mythtv-users?

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WattoDaToydarian:

gbee: you want me to put "SELECT basename FROM recorded WHERE chanid = '1093' AND starttime = '2007-03–31T10:00:00';" in the mysql command prompt for the mythconverg database right?

[20:52:24]

gbee:

yeah

[20:52:44]

gbee:

it's probably a bad guess, but my immediate thought is that you've somehow ended up with two databases and the frontend is looking at the wrong one

[20:53:46]

gbee:

the frontend relies on two sources of information – the backend directly and the database, if the backend tells it that a recording exists but the database has no record of it, then you'd see an error something like you are seeing now

[20:53:47]

niter3:

WattoDaToydarian: Failed to connect to MySQL database. Database object has no attribut 'conn'

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niter3:

that's my error

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WattoDaToydarian:

gbee: I uninstalled mysql from the old backend machine so I only have one database running. here is what happened: http://pastebin.ca/418792

[20:55:09]

gbee:

ok, give me anoher minute – need to run to the power cable my laptop battery is low

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gbee:

WattoDaToydarian: does SELECT COUNT(*) FROM recorded; produce anything?

[20:58:14]

WattoDaToydarian:

gbee: yeah I got a acii box that says "COUNT(*)" on top and 39 on bottom

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gbee:

ahh, just gone back over what you posted and spotted the problem

[20:59:24]

gbee:

it's a good one too

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Como|Lappy:

ok, im following the documentation the best i can, but its gone over my head- how do i 'use' the proper module? where are they? http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto#Cho . . . rnel_modules

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gbee:

1093_20070331110000.mpg < Time is 11:00 <<<>> '2007-03–31T10:00:00 < Time is 10:00

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Como|Lappy:

i've got a 2.6.20.4 kernel

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WattoDaToydarian:

gbee: I hope theres a solution to this problem ;p

[21:00:32]

niter3:

hrm..... i'm stumped..

[21:00:41]

niter3:

xbmc mythtv just doesn't want to work for me.

[21:00:43]

niter3:

hrm..

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WattoDaToydarian:

niter3: I dont have it setup on my xbox at the moment so I cant help ya yet

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gbee:

WattoDaToydarian: I don't know how, or why, but the time in the database is an hour off from the time being used in the query – probably as a result of some DST snafu

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niter3:

ok..

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niter3:

hrm...

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gbee:

first I'd try restarting everything after making sure that the times are correct on all the machines – then if it's still failing you can manually change the time in the db

[21:04:15]

gbee:

UPDATE recorded SET starttime='2007-03–31T10:00:00' WHERE chanid='1093' AND starttime='2007-03–31T11:00:00';

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prekitt_:

hi everyone

[21:04:30]

Como|Lappy:

"If you are installing only a PVR card, use the ivtv tveeprom-ivtv and the other ivtv modules."

[21:04:34]

Como|Lappy:

i need to do that ^^

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gbee:

hi

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prekitt_:

I bough an IR receiver and I need some help setting it up

[21:05:06]

prekitt_:

can someone help me..

[21:05:31]

prekitt_:

this is what I purchased http://cgi.ebay.com/Hi-Power-Serial-IR-Transm . . . cmdZViewItem

[21:05:39]

gbee:

mysql will need restarting if it hasn't been restarted since the DST change – although at this point it won't correct the existing problem, it might prevent it happening for future recordings

[21:05:42]

prekitt_:

I am trying to get lirc to work on it

[21:10:52]

WattoDaToydarian:

of course

[21:11:39]

gbee:

prekitt_: if you need further help just ask, the 'setserial' bit was what I struggled with most when trying to get my serial IR receiver setup with lirc

[21:12:05]

WattoDaToydarian:

gbee: I think the ubuntu clock has problems... I'll just upgrade to festy sometime and hope that fixes it...

[21:12:10]

** xoritor wonders how well the connection from fronend -> backend would work over an ssh tunnel **

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gbee:

WattoDaToydarian: guess so, maybe it didn't account for the change of the US DST date – heard that moved forward this year

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gbee:

I think the important bit with lirc, is that when you get the modules loading correctly and the devices being created save the commands in a startup script so you don't have to do it all over again at the next reboot

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WattoDaToydarian:

niter3: Have you ever used cvs to checkout the latest XBMC mythtv code?

[21:16:31]

niter3:

no

[21:16:40]

niter3:

i just don't know what the url is to it

[21:17:45]

niter3:

sec.. I think i found it

[21:17:47]

niter3:

i'm going to see

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WattoDaToydarian:

niter3: Yeah I need the latest code to even get it to work on my xbox and I cant figure out how to get it to download using this page http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=128346

[21:18:37]

niter3:

i'm on that pag etoo

[21:18:39]

niter3:

too

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niter3:

What is even old with the version 20.3 i have installed is when I've setup my paths via samba to access my recordings I see nothing in my log files while monitoring in realtime that it's even trying to access that samba directory.

[21:20:16]

niter3:

So it looks like XMBC mythtv isn't even trying

[21:20:38]

niter3:

what strikes me weird is that I can however see upcoming shows.

[21:20:57]

niter3:

But anywhere else it's complaining about it not capable connecting to the database.

[21:21:09]

niter3:

weird if you ask me.. Because it's obviously connecting to the database ......

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tale_:

has anyone seen problems playing dvd movies? I know about css. My problem is that some movies play and some don't. Why wouldn't they all play?

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WattoDaToydarian:

niter3: Hmm, I'm still trying to ftp into my xbox to change it's settings LOL.

[21:22:40]

niter3:

to upload it you mean?

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gbee:

tale_: I assume when you say you know about css, that you have decss installed?

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tale_:

gbee, yes

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Como|Lappy:

hey- anyone built a new kernel for their mythtv lately? i'm having a hard time locaing the bt848 video thing that every howto is telling me i need...

[21:23:33]

niter3:

i'm stumped at this point why this won't work.. I can access the database and tables via remote clients with mysql administrator. So I know the username/password are correct.. hrm... I just don't think it's even trying to connect..

[21:23:35]

akifdino:

did anyone use a hd44780 controlled lcd for mythtv?

[21:23:37]

tale_:

gbee, some encrypted dvds play, some don't

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niter3:

going to check my mysql logs

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niter3:

see if it even trys

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gbee:

tale_: ok, just checking :)

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gbee:

tale_: do they play with any player e.g. xine, mplayer, kaffeine?

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tale_:

gbee, I've only tried with the internal dvd player

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WattoDaToydarian:

niter3: you might want to look at the settings.xml file under XBMC/scripts/xbmcmythtv

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** Como|Lappy pokes CONFIG_VIDEO_BT848 **

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gbee:

tale_: it's possibly a bug with the internal player (not that I've ever found a DVD that won't play) but in order to be sure you need to check another player – I can't think of any other reason

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niter3:

k i am checking now

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gbee:

what does the frontend log say?

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tale_:

ok

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bipolar:

I'm having a very strange problem with mythv. I'm using an old analog bt878 card, which needs a jumper cable from it's audio output to the main sound cards line in to work.

[21:28:06]

niter3:

WattoDaToydarian: All looks good.

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bipolar:

When using mythtv to watch live tv, I get no sound out of the bt cards port, but I do when using kdetv.

[21:28:56]

WattoDaToydarian:

niter3: I just setup mine and now I'm getting your error! ARGH

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bipolar:

It was working before I went on a trip and turned the pc off. now i come home and it's not working. very strange...

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bipolar:

Does anyone know of a setting in mythtv for turning on the bt cards sound output?

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niter3:

WattoDaToydarian: ok so it's just not me

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WattoDaToydarian:

niter3: maybe the port is different somehow...

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niter3:

WattoDaToydarian: No it looks fine.

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WattoDaToydarian:

or maybe it's the mysql version

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niter3:

WattoDaToydarian: Can you see Upcoming shows ok?

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WattoDaToydarian:

niter3: No I cant see anything...

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WattoDaToydarian:

I nee more help than you

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niter3:

So you're just stuck at the main menu?

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WattoDaToydarian:

yeah and the settings page

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wolfspirit:

are you able to stream your videos through mythweb?

[21:32:47]

wolfspirit:

when I click on the video it says it doesn't exist

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niter3:

WattoDaToydarian: Hrm... which distro of linux you using?

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WattoDaToydarian:

niter3: My backend server is Ubuntu-server 6.10

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niter3:

ok i'm using gentoo so you know

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niter3:

hrm. so it's not distro related

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gbee:

just looked at the error you guys are getting with xboxmc, it's not a config problem it's a code problem

[21:34:50]

WattoDaToydarian:

but maybe we have the same version of mysql

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niter3:

gbee: where at?

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gbee:

just checking, you're seeing "Database object has no attribut 'conn'"

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niter3:

gbee: yes

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WattoDaToydarian:

yeah is used to work for me until I switched my backend to a differnt machine and distro

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WattoDaToydarian:

yeh

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bipolar:

Does anyone have any idea what my problem may be? Again, I get no sound out of the port on the back of my bt878 based card when using mythtv, but I do get sound out of the port with other tv tuner apps.

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gbee:

right – what version of QT is being used?

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niter3:

qt? on the mythtv backend i take it

[21:36:33]

niter3:

?

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xoritor:

ok so i want to run mythtv-setup to setup the backend right?

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WattoDaToydarian:

gbee: I have a "libqt-mt.so.3.3.6" file on my backend so I'm guessing it's 3.3.6.

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xoritor:

is there a NON gui version for doing this?

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WattoDaToydarian:

xoritor: If your backend doesnt have X you should ssh in with X forwarding

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xoritor:

WattoDaToydarian, my backend does not even have the gui tool for mythtv-setup

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xoritor:

can i run it from a frontend not on the same host?

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niter3:

i have 3.3.6-r4

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WattoDaToydarian:

xoritor: you mean the command isn't there? The frontend box can config some things but not the tuners

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xoritor:

im tellin ya its NOT there

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xoritor:

i didnt install the frontend cause this host has no X

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niter3:

hrm.....

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xoritor:

nor will it ever have X

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gbee:

xoritor: mythtv-setup requires X

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xoritor:

gbee, my point exactly... i want a backend with no X

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gbee:

why?

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xoritor:

cause servers dont use X

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gbee:

why?

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xoritor:

waste of resources and disk space

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Zider:

they might

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Zider:

:)

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xoritor:

not even they have frontends that use X

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Zider:

admin tools can have GUIs

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xoritor:

ick

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WattoDaToydarian:

xoritor: I have the same setup, that is why I installed the frontend and ran mythtv-setup with X forwarding

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xoritor:

not on my systems they dont

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Zider:

my server doubles as WS as well ;)

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gbee:

pfft – hardly, compared to the gigs used for recordings or memory used for everything else

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GreyFoxx:

ummmmm how is it a waste of resources? A: You don't need it running all the time, and B: the diskspace is NOTHING compared to usage for a single receording

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xoritor:

gbee, and security holes

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xoritor:

and

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xoritor:

and

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xoritor:

and

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xoritor:

GreyFoxx, do you make sure that xfs and all the other things possibly supporting X are not there?

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gbee:

well then your stuffed

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WattoDaToydarian:

xoritor: What you do is install the frontend and do "ssh -X -Y user@server" then run mythtv-setup and it will display on your local machine

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GreyFoxx:

xoritor: Huh ? xfs supporting X? I don't get your point

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niter3:

shit i gotta get ready to go

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xoritor:

all i asked was "is there a non gui way of doing it" and you all come at me sheesh

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Zider:

isn't xfs a file system?

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niter3:

i'll see you guys later

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GreyFoxx:

Zider: yes, hence my confusion

[21:46:05]

xoritor:

WattoDaToydarian, thx... i know how to do forwarding

[21:46:11]

xoritor:

not the point

[21:46:19]

xoritor:

xfs = x font server

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xoritor:

XFS is a file system

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WattoDaToydarian:

xoritor: I've never heard of a non-gui setup for mythtv lol

[21:46:37]

Zider:

oh that xfs :)

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bipolar:

xoritor: the answer is no. you need th gui to configure the mythtv server

[21:46:39]

gbee:

I could argue all day on why X isn't a waste of resources, why it isn't a security hole and why you need it installed – but why should I waste my time, it's required, end of story

[21:46:40]

xoritor:

gui front end

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GreyFoxx:

xoritor: AS a matter of fact I do know there is no xfs on my box. Because I don't turn it on, and my distro doesn't enabvle it.

[21:47:09]

GreyFoxx:

gbee: true enough

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xoritor:

GreyFoxx, its on on my distro...

[21:47:29]

Zider:

then your distro isn't well suited ;)

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xoritor:

gbee, vmstat 0 then move the mouse

[21:47:38]

xoritor:

what?

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GreyFoxx:

xoritor: Then turn it off, or choose another distro :)

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xoritor:

why all the attitude?

[21:47:57]

xoritor:

i just asked a question

[21:48:11]

xoritor:

damn guys... im not attacking your way of doing things

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WattoDaToydarian:

niter3: Have you seen this? http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread . . . um_id=436331

[21:48:29]

xoritor:

this is MY way of doing things on a platform installed all over the place

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juski:

how to win friends & influence people eh, xoritor :-P

[21:48:38]

Zider:

so install X, do the setup and then uninstall X :P

[21:48:58]

GreyFoxx:

Zider: QT will still want the X libs, unless he is using the embedded fb stuff

[21:49:07]

xoritor:

Zider, i can do that... i was just asking if there was a way NOT to do that cause i do not want to do that

[21:49:33]

Zider:

GreyFoxx: if he only launches the backend, it shouldn't use qt, right?

[21:49:35]

juski:

you need it – can't it just let it be left there?

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bipolar:

xoritor: you don't need to install all of X, just the libraries needed to do X over ssh.

[21:49:41]

xoritor:

im not using qt its a pure backend system and they frontend will use qt

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GreyFoxx:

Zider: Yes it is

[21:49:51]

GreyFoxx:

QT is not just gui widgets

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juski:

I mean in terms of disk space & resources it's not much compared to the recordings

[21:50:03]

GreyFoxx:

IT's for database access, string handling, and loads of other stuff

[21:50:03]

Zider:

GreyFoxx: oh? I thought that was all it was..

[21:50:17]

GreyFoxx:

the Gui widgets are just the top layer you see

[21:50:18]

juski:

mythtv-setup needs it at the very least

[21:50:26]

bipolar:

Zider: there is a *lot* more to qt then gui things

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GreyFoxx:

No QT = No myth*

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juski:

string functions, stuff like that :)

[21:50:53]

Zider:

bipolar: apparently :P

[21:51:02]

bipolar:

Zider: in fact, TT split qt4 into seperate libraries, one of which is qt-gui

[21:51:25]

bipolar:

file i/o, database, etc...

[21:51:34]

Zider:

I see

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gbee:

QT basically does everything, it has classes for string manipulation, arrays, threading, database access riht through to the GUI stuff

[21:52:45]

gbee:

it's every library you might ever use rolled into one portable package

[21:52:53]

juski:

you could say it's a whole application toolkit :-P

[21:52:58]

juski:

funny eh

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Zider:

sounds bloat in my ears.. ;)

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gbee:

;)

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Zider:

but as long as it works..

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juski:

whine whine whine

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fryfrog:

man, i have one stuborn firewire tuner

[21:53:55]

fryfrog:

i can't get it to "pass" the firewire_tester script now :(

[21:54:34]

juski:

well, no "GAR GAR GAR" in my logfile, but I still don't trust it so I'm gonna do make garchive one more time & watch it like a hawk

[21:56:13]

juski:

aha! tee isn't getting all the textual output from the script. damnit!

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majesty:

hmm

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juski:

this is insane

[21:58:43]

** gbee is enjoying the resumable playback in mythmusic **

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bipolar:

man... this audio problem is driving me nuts

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bipolar:

why the hell isn't the bt card outputing audio when mythtv is running, but does with kdetv?!

[21:59:40]

juski:

y'know I might just build minimyth 0.20–22 instead, and edit the Makefiles of the stuff on my suspect list

[22:00:21]

gardengnome:

having fun with gar-minimyth :)

[22:00:47]

juski:

bipolar: because mythtv has what might be the _wrong_ audio device selected by default?

[22:01:07]

juski:

gardengnome: pablo's removed some vital archives... vital for 0.20–21 anyway

[22:01:14]

gardengnome:

ouch :/

[22:01:19]

juski:

I've been trying to trap the download failures – and failing

[22:01:31]

bipolar:

juski: I'm talking about the port right on the back of the bt card, it's not going though alsa or any of that.

[22:01:36]

gardengnome:

juski: i could upload the stuff that's missing

[22:01:50]

juski:

gardengnome: I don't *know* exactly what's missing

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bipolar:

juski: shouldn't that port always have sound comming out of it if the turner is running?

[22:02:10]

juski:

I know valgrind is the wrong ver, and some emulator shit isn't there either

[22:02:17]

thylacine222:

bipolar: trying "killall artsd" and run again.

[22:02:46]

thylacine222:

*try

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thylacine222:

bipolar: What processor do you have?

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juski:

I need some backtick-fu ;)

[22:06:29]

thylacine222:

Does anyone know where I can find a cheap optical > coaxial spdif adapter?

[22:07:01]

thylacine222:

In the US, preferably.

[22:07:21]

juski:

froogle?

[22:08:53]

juski:

gardengnome: I wouldn't care ya know but I don't even want the blimmin emulator stuff

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phil-ender:

anyone else having trouble getting mythtv installed from Ubuntu 6.10 repos? (in that they aren't on there at all)

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juski:

tried universe / multiverse ?

[22:16:22]

phil-ender:

all are enabled

[22:16:42]

juski:

did you update after enabling em?

[22:16:44]

phil-ender:

they were in the repos last night too, which is weird

[22:16:47]

phil-ender:

yeah

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bipolar:

thylacine222: no dice.

[22:17:07]

bipolar:

thylacine222: It's an athlon 64 3000 or something

[22:17:14]

bipolar:

thylacine222: plenty of power.

[22:17:20]

juski:

bipolar: so, you get audio when you open tvtime, but when mythtv uses the card, nothing – right?

[22:17:43]

bipolar:

juski: right. And I'm talking about output from the tuner card itself.

[22:17:50]

juski:

yeah I know

[22:17:53]

bipolar:

it's like it's muting it or something

[22:17:59]

bipolar:

very, very strange

[22:18:01]

juski:

mythtv isn't un-muting the tuner card's audio

[22:18:02]

mtnbkr-laptop:

I screwed up and deleted 400GB of recordings :( Is there a script that I can run to look at the /mnt/store directory and delete all database records where the file is missing?

[22:18:12]

juski:

bipolar: this is coming up quite a bit in here these days

[22:18:24]

bipolar:

juski: is there a manual way to unmute it?

[22:18:33]

phil-ender:

can any ubuntu 6.10 users check the repos and tell me if mythtv is showing up for them?

[22:18:43]

juski:

bipolar: what you need to do is use the 'v4lctl volume mute off' command at boot time & make sure no other programs mess with the tuner

[22:19:02]

bipolar:

juski: ok. let me try that....

[22:19:25]

juski:

bipolar: when I say at boot time, you could put it in your .xinitrc file, or a session startup script...

[22:19:34]

juski:

anyway until then try it now.

[22:20:08]

juski:

you should then hear audio, but what you need to do is mute the soundcard channel that the tuner audio is plugged into BUT make sure it's selected to be captured

[22:20:24]

juski:

AND you should resolve to buy a PVR150 card

[22:21:05]

juski:

I've seen bug fix tickets for this tuner muting problem but I dunno when they cut in

[22:23:12]

prekitt_:

ok I went thru the link but I still can't get the ir receiver to work

[22:23:19]

prekitt_:

can someon help me

[22:23:31]

prekitt_:

I am trying to get an ir receiver to work

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juski:

whatever happened to 'please' ?!

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gardengnome:

juski: l0l you n00b

[22:23:49]

gardengnome:

it got replaced by "wtf" ;)

[22:24:08]

prekitt_:

sorry please

[22:24:11]

juski:

well, call me an old fart then :)

[22:24:24]

prekitt_:

I have this ir receiver http://cgi.ebay.com/Hi-Power-Serial-IR-Transm . . . cmdZViewItem

[22:24:48]

prekitt_:

has is anyone using one like it

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mtnbkr-laptop:

"please" will someone help me clean up my database after I accidentally deleted all my files?

[22:25:29]

opello:

touch all the filenames and delete them in the interface?

[22:25:30]

juski:

accidentally deleted all your files? ffs you should take your computer back to the shop

[22:25:43]

phil-ender:

Hmmm, no luck on Ubuntu repo's then?

[22:25:50]

gardengnome:

oh, i bet most people have done an accidental rm -rf / in the past ;)

[22:26:01]

juski:

prekitt_: I'll tell you this much – you should be using the lirc-serial (lirc_serial) kernel module

[22:26:02]

opello:

maybe not / but a * in ~ or other important dir

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gardengnome:

opello: a few weeks ago, i shred'ed my hda.. ;)

[22:26:40]

prekitt_:

right, that's the one I am using

[22:26:42]

opello:

you should keep your hard drive away from the metal shop :)"

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juski:

mtnbkr-laptop: there are a few ways to go about it

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opello:

juski: /topic

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gardengnome:

opello: heh. it was just windows anyways.. ;)

[22:27:12]

opello:

oops

[22:27:18]

mtnbkr-laptop:

the real issue was my /tmp dir was getting out of control. I forgot that I had installed the web interface to myth... there was a /tmp/data/.... set of subdirectories... I deleted the "extra" files in the "recordings" directory which turned out to be a symlink to /mnt/store :(

[22:27:19]

opello:

juski: sorry :)

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prekitt_:

nothing happends, it can't read the signal

[22:27:39]

juski:

mtnbkr-laptop: you can do it the easy but long-winded way like opello said or use some mysql that'll let you re-record the deleted files automagically

[22:27:47]

juski:

opello: np

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prekitt_:

I get the following error irrecord: no data for 10 secs, aborting

[22:28:03]

prekitt_:

irrecord: gap not found, can't continue

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opello:

juski: was going to link him the script i posted on the wiki that touches the files, but didn't know the link to the wiki

[22:28:20]

juski:

prekitt_: before you can load the lirc serial kernel module you usually have to disable the serial port you want to use

[22:28:48]

gardengnome:

using the "setserial" tool

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juski:

prekitt_: and you disable the port using the "setserial" command

[22:29:04]

juski:

it's gonna be one fucking long night

[22:29:09]

prekitt_:

I did that, I was able to load the module correctly

[22:29:24]

prekitt_:

how do I know what ttySx is my serial port

[22:29:30]

gardengnome:

juski: you need some http://www.sprittwoch.de/bilders/warentest/diebels.jpg

[22:29:41]

mtnbkr-laptop:

so no one has written a script to "delete from database all records where the file does not exist" ? I could write one I suppose and offer it up, but it seemed like something that someone would have already done. I didn;t want to recreate the wheel.

[22:29:48]

juski:

prekitt_: 'COM1' is normally /dev/ttyS0

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gardengnome:

mtnbkr-laptop: umm, i think there's such a script somewhere in trac

[22:30:17]

prekitt_:

this is the command I ran sudo setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none

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juski:

prekitt_: now load the lirc serial module

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juski:

then check dmesg to see if it loads ok

[22:30:51]

mtnbkr-laptop:

I am so unhappy that I no longer have my 50 or 60 MXC episodes. :(

[22:31:10]

gardengnome:

mtnbkr-laptop: wow, why don't you backup your recordings?!

[22:31:11]

mtnbkr-laptop:

gardengnome: is there a URL I can search at?

[22:31:25]

gardengnome:

mtnbkr-laptop: http://svn.mythtv.org and then search the tickets there

[22:31:49]

phil-ender:

Do most of you use XFS for your recordings like a lot of the HOWTO's suggest, or do you recommend something else?

[22:31:53]

opello:

mtnbkr-laptop: otherwise you could modify this to be for the current mythtv: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/index.php/FAQ#Ho . . . t_on_disk.3F

[22:31:54]

juski:

mtnbkr-laptop: if you don't mind re-recording everything you've ever recorded I could let you see some mysql...

[22:32:15]

mtnbkr-laptop:

gardengnome: well, this was supposed to be a test installation of mythtv. :) Plus, there was 400GB of recordings. :)

[22:32:21]

gardengnome:

mtnbkr-laptop: heh

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mtnbkr-laptop:

phil-ender: I use JFS

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phil-ender:

test = 400GB? Holy hell!

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prekitt_:

I did, then I ran irrecord: no data for 10 secs, aborting

[22:32:59]

prekitt_:

irrecord: gap not found, can't continue

[22:33:04]

mtnbkr-laptop:

well, If I explained the installation I have as a test you'd all laugh

[22:33:04]

juski:

phil-ender: I used ext3 up til the other week

[22:33:55]

mtnbkr-laptop:

2 machines, 1 master backend, one slave each backend has (1) PVR-500 dual tuner master mounts 400GB dir on slave backend over NFS

[22:34:10]

juski:

prekitt_: try cat /dev/lirc0 & see if it just spits out random chars when you press remote buttons

[22:34:16]

mtnbkr-laptop:

multiple front ends (wifi laptops both MAC and Linux) :)

[22:34:37]

phil-ender:

mtnbkr: Sounds like a blast. I'm having plenty of fun trying to get my 2 HD-5500's working on my back/frontend single machine now though, heh

[22:34:39]

prekitt_:

ok one sec

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mtnbkr-laptop:

gardengnomem opello: Thanks for the links... I will search around and stop back later. :)

[22:36:06]

mtnbkr-laptop:

phill-ender: It is a blast showing off the whole thing to my friends. People in the technology fields... They are always blown away. :)

[22:36:42]

prekitt_:

nothing

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bipolar:

juski: thanks! that got sound out of the capture card and into line.

[22:38:46]

bipolar:

juski: I can't seem to get it to record that sound though. line is muted, the volume is all the way up, and it's selected for capture as shown by alsamixer. I have to do some more digging...

[22:39:05]

bipolar:

juski: yes, I do want to get a newer capture card. This one sucks.

[22:39:24]

phil-ender:

Be back shortly. Finally found MythTV on the repo's and I'm relogging in per instructions. Keep your fingers crossed for me.

[22:39:42]

bipolar:

juski: I was looking at the external one from plexor. I like that it does mpeg4

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prekitt_:

ok, I recompiled the module on com1 and now I get garbage when I do the cat /dev/lirc0

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EnderTheThird:

Damn, no dice.

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EnderTheThird:

Hmmm, say some idiot removed /etc/mysql/ and tried to reinstall mysql and mythtv because he was getting DB errors, but now mysql won't install because it's missing that folder, what would he do?

[22:47:10]

mtnbkr-laptop:

gardengnomem opello: hmmm... It looks like I will have to clean up after myself. :( I will see if I can contribute the script I create... It WILL be a dangerous one though... a minor mistake could delete all the recordings from the database.

[22:47:51]

opello:

mtnbkr-laptop: not willing to touch files and clean up yourself from a frontend?

[22:48:45]

EnderTheThird:

Any ideas for fixing mySQL?

[22:49:44]

mtnbkr-laptop:

opello: there is 400GB of recorindg. that is about 400+ entries to be dealt with from the relatively slow frontend interface. compared to a quick delete from recorded (these entries)...

[22:50:07]

opello:

d, down, rigiht

[22:50:09]

opello:

right*

[22:50:14]

opello:

allow rerecord :)

[22:50:32]

opello:

or see how mythweb generates the request, tough the files, and automate it with curl

[22:50:44]

opello:

i mean, there are other options if you don't want to muck in the db ...

[22:51:17]

mtnbkr-laptop:

I am happy to plain in the db actually. :)

[22:51:25]

mtnbkr-laptop:

s/plain/play

[22:52:23]

mtnbkr-laptop:

even though I was hoping someone with db skilz made the same mistake I made and created a short script already. heh

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bipolar:

wow... trying to paste the alsamixer screen into pastebin confuses the hell out of it :p

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juski:

bipolar: you can test audio recording with another app, say Audacity or whatever – see if the tuner audio records like you expect when the 'line' channel is muted but set to CAPTUR

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juski:

you might have to stop mythbackend for that test tho

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bipolar:

juski: will do, thanks.

[23:08:02]

juski:

er... not sure

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ubuntuEdgy:

hi , do you guys happen to know a good guide for setting the backend to wake up for recordings

[23:17:51]

ubuntuEdgy:

i have followed this guide and the backend dose wake up when i was testing , i just need to know how ot setup mythtv ,http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ACPI_Wakeup#Nvram_wakeup

[23:30:46]

Giuly:

hi, does livetv work in the trunk?

[23:38:11]

juski:

if you sit in the trunk with it, probably – but any other part of the car will be just fine

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bipolar:

juski: I got it! :)

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bipolar:

I saved the settings with alsactl, and added an alsactl restore command to the mythtv session script so this doesn't happen again. :)

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bipolar:

juski: thanks again for your help!

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