Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, March 27th, 2007, 00:06 UTC

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kantlivelong:

anyone here ever use mythmusic?

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hads:

Occasionally

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kantlivelong:

hads: hmmm i get errors about opening audio device... what would i swr..

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kantlivelong:

set8

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thylacine222:

do you use alsa or oss?

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kantlivelong:

alsa

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thylacine222:

Go to general settings and in the second or third menu, there should be a dialog for audio device, in there, put "ALSA:default" without quotes.

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thylacine222:

Then try again

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thylacine222:

Hey xris, are you there?

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kantlivelong:

thylacine222: the passthru device?

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thylacine222:

No, the first one.

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thylacine222:

Before that

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kantlivelong:

thylacine222: theres no options

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thylacine222:

Just type that in.

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kantlivelong:

ah ha!

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kantlivelong:

lemme try it

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hads:

You may want to change the mixer device too

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kantlivelong:

hads: to what

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hads:

default

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thylacine222:

/dev/mixer probably.

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thylacine222:

Are you sure?

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kantlivelong:

thylacine222: yeah i had to enable some oss emulation for /dev/mixer i think is default but music plays!

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kantlivelong:

thanks! :O

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thylacine222:

Welcome

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hads:

/dev/mixer would be oss

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kantlivelong:

and i almost uninstalled myth

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kantlivelong:

hmmm default works but /dev/mixeer somehow lets the vizualizatons work

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kantlivelong:

amazing

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kantlivelong:

now i just need vol control

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hads:

That will be the mixer...

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kantlivelong:

hads: what buttons let me change vol?

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hads:

[]

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kantlivelong:

yeah it works..

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kantlivelong:

will xbindkeys work? or can i config right in myth... im using a remote

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hads:

lirc?

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thylacine222:

do you have an lircrc file?

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kantlivelong:

i don have lirc.. i just have kernel drivers for it

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kantlivelong:

its a remote wonder

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kantlivelong:

would lirc be a better idea?

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thylacine222:

Yes

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kantlivelong:

ok

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kantlivelong:

:)

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kantlivelong:

so just remove the kernel drivers eh?

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kantlivelong:

the ENX-15 isnt supported is it??

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thylacine222:

Does anyone know why my myth

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thylacine222:

´s settings keep getting reset after I restart?

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kantlivelong:

hmmm

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mark488:

Will this video card work with myth? Nvidia chip supported? HW acceleration / xvmc will work? (the wiki didn't seem to mention particular video cards)

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mark488:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127128

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tank-man:

thats cause that is a linux issue, not specific to mythtv

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adante_:

thylacine222: which settings? all settings?

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kantlivelong:

whats the best way to autorun mythfrontend?

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achew22:

kantlivelong, what are you running?

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kantlivelong:

achew22: gentoo..

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kantlivelong:

achew22: heres what i did

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achew22:

emerge mythtv with the autologin flag

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kantlivelong:

/usr/bin/X &>/dev/null; su mythtv -c "DISPLAY=:0 mythfrontend &" &>/dev/null

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achew22:

or the startonboot or something like that... one sec I'll look

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kantlivelong:

achew22: ive got that.. thats for backend

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achew22:

ah...

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kantlivelong:

most people start a WM and have it start myth...

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achew22:

whats your dm?

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achew22:

oops wm

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clever:

i perfer having -terminate on X to make it shutdown when the last client leaves

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clever:

heres the script i use

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kantlivelong:

i had GDM/fluxbox but id rather spawn an X server then su the command directly

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clever:

cat testscript

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clever:

#!/bin/sh

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clever:

export DISPLAY=:1

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clever:

export TZ=CDT5

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clever:

X -terminate -dpi 100 $DISPLAY &

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clever:

sleep 1

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clever:

metacity&

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clever:

PID=$?

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clever:

mythwelcome

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clever:

kill $PID

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achew22:

um..

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achew22:

clever, use pastebin

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clever:

its a bit long

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hads:

clever: Don't paste here

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clever:

yeah too late for pastebin now:S

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kantlivelong:

whats the diff between mythwelcome and mythfrontend?

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clever:

mythwelcome will by default load mythfrontend

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achew22:

mythwelcome will make the frontend sleep

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kantlivelong:

ahha

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clever:

mythwelcome shows basic stats and uses less ram

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clever:

and has a button to load mythfrontend

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achew22:

mythwelcome makes waffels

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achew22:

wait...

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kantlivelong:

so how could i su it

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kantlivelong:

without it hanging stuff

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achew22:

clevers clever little script will do it

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clever:

the bit i pasted runs as mythtv

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hads:

I use mingetty to autologin and then start mythfrontend from my .xinitrc

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clever:

and it needs the X to be runnable as mythtv

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achew22:

or you could set a sudo for it with nopasswd

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hads:

Oh, and a loop running startx in my .bash_profile

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clever:

i need the window manager(metacity) for X focus to work right

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clever:

yeah i had a sudo nopasswd entry for X

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kormoc:

kantlivelong, I just have user mythtv have @reboot startx and then run mythfrontend

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clever:

but 'X' is a wraper program for Xorg on my system

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clever:

the wraper program is setuid root and checks a config file to see who has access

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kantlivelong:

even tho myth starts

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clever:

yeah the script under init.d has to exit once its started

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kormoc:

kantlivelong, right, I use cron, not the init script, fixes that hang issue

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kantlivelong:

evil..

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clever:

if it starts every 10mins it may take up to 10mins for the box to become useable

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clever:

but inittab can fix that

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kormoc:

kantlivelong, and besides, the init script hanging should be reported as a bug to cardoe, as it shouldn't

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kantlivelong:

hmm

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kormoc:

kantlivelong, cardoe is the offical gentoo ebuild maintainer

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achew22:

hello kormoc how are you?

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clever:

you could put an inittab entry to sudo -u mythtv my script up

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kantlivelong:

my command was correct wasnt it?

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kormoc:

doin' quite well achew22, how are you?

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kantlivelong:

seems as if X is hanging it

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achew22:

I got a new job that pays really well and now I have access to an OC-12 :-)

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kormoc:

kantlivelong, does X start correctly normally?

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** clever returns to watching tv on ctrl+alt+f8 since others seem to have it:) **

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kormoc:

nifty achew22

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achew22:

bye clever have a good one

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achew22:

kormoc, I don't know what I'm going to do with it but I think I should take sugestions

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achew22:

got any good ones?

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kormoc:

kantlivelong, I use a small shellscript to start mythfrontend, it runs every minute and will start the frontend again if it ever crashes

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kantlivelong:

interesting

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achew22:

kormoc, how do you track to see if mythfrontend is running?

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kantlivelong:

kormoc: but does mythfrontend start X?

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kormoc:

achew22, https://www.kormoc.com/stuff/runmythfe

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hads:

I do the same thing with a loop from .bash_profile – it's also handy if you need to reload, you just exit mythfrontend with the remote and it pops right back up.

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kormoc:

kantlivelong, nah, that's why in user mythtv's crontab, I have @reboot startx and every minute runmythfe

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achew22:

kormoc, issuing certificates to yourself... tisk tisk

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kantlivelong:

i see

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kormoc:

achew22, wanna pay for my *.kormoc.com cert? :P

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achew22:

lol, right after you pay for *.achew22.com

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kormoc:

hads, yeah, only issue with that is you need to log in for .bash_profile to run

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kormoc:

I guess I could put it in the .xinitrc

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** kormoc shrugs **

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hads:

Yeah, I run mingetty --autologin

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kantlivelong:

kormoc: i like that

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hads:

mythfrontend starts from .xinitc

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kormoc:

I keep pondering adding in a timestamp or something to the frontend.log file so it doesn't auto overwrite

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achew22:

couldn't you add another > and make it append?

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kormoc:

sure, but I would prefer desecrate files rather then one ungodly huge one.

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kantlivelong:

gah i need to just start `X` pm boot hmm

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kantlivelong:

on boot*

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adante_:

kantlivelong: check wiki

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achew22:

kormoc, I have a question about your script

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jd86:

how many connections should a master backend be making to mysql? i have over 100 (which just caused mysql problem)

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achew22:

when you execute mythfrontend without the & wouldn't you be able to do while (1) { mythfrontend }

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visi:

did the information center get removed?

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hads:

No

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kormoc:

achew22, sure, assuming the script never dies.

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achew22:

kormoc, you could use the same trick to start that script...

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thylacine222:

Does anyone know what " An unknown module was specified" means in Mythweb?

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thylacine222:

I´ve been on the Google, and it tells me that it has something to do with mod_rewrite, but I´m not sure how to fix it.

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achew22:

thylacine222, just based on the fact that someone pointed you to mod_rewrite on the internet, is it enabled?

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thylacine222:

Yes

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achew22:

what are you running?

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thylacine222:

FC6 w/ mythtv .20

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achew22:

I've never used Fedora so I don't know if I will be able to help, but I'll try. does mythweb tell you this or apache?

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thylacine222:

I´ve been trying to get this: http://chiefhacker.com/2007/01/22/streaming-m . . . using-flash/

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thylacine222:

Mythweb does

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achew22:

did you get mythweb to run before you tried that?

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thylacine222:

I can access everything else, it´s just when I try to click encode, it shows that error.

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achew22:

would you be willing to give me the full error?

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thylacine222:

That is the full error.l

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thylacine222:

But I do know why it happens.

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achew22:

well. why?

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thylacine222:

It´s a result of the page being sent to mythweb.php instead of the proper page, streamer.php.

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achew22:

then adjust...

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thylacine222:

I´m not sure how to, that´s my problem.

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achew22:

edit the html

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thylacine222:

No, the problem isn´t that it´s not going to the right page, the problem has to do with mod_rewind.

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thylacine222:

http://pastebin.ca/411485

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thylacine222:

That´s my .htaccess, the important part is at the bottom

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thylacine222:

In the rewrite engine section

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achew22:

whats the url to the page thats giving the error

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thylacine222:

But there are arguments after the php, which is what I think messes it up.

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thylacine222:

Is the full one.

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achew22:

in your data dir is there a file called streamer.php?

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thylacine222:

yes

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thylacine222:

And apache owns it

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kharan5876:

does the mythgame romdb ever get updated?

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PointyPumper:

uhm

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PointyPumper:

is there any good way of viewing mythtv from a windows machine?

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achew22:

PointyPumper, google MythTVPlayer

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promacuser:

hey all, recently my recordings are showing very odd total times when i pause them. an hour long show that used to say 59:48 or something will be at 01:16:16 or something weird

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promacuser:

does anyone have any ideas on where to look for why this is happening?

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promacuser:

oh, also, the recordings tend to hang when i try to use the skip ahead function

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Juzzy:

any of you guys use rivatv nv drivers for a tuner?

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achew22:

SirTuxalot, you may want to consult the threads

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SirTuxalot:

okay, which link would they be under...thanks

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Ediehow:

hi

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Ediehow:

is there anything else to assist in quality of a recording, as far as graininess on animation, except to increase bitrate in recording profiles?

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t0ny-p40:

I just bought a new rf remote and the arrows work from the old config but the new remote does not show up in irw

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t0ny-p40:

btw the remote is a ati remote wonder

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clever:

Ediehow: are you recording using rtjpeg or mpeg4?

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Ediehow:

i have pvr150mce

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Ediehow:

so mpeg2 ps?

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clever:

ahhh

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clever:

i have a frame grabber

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clever:

my only choices are rtjpeg and mpeg4

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t0ny-p40:

oh I see

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clever:

rtjpeg is sometimes 5gig/hour

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clever:

mpeg4 is mostly <1gig/hour

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Ediehow:

if i increase bitrate, shouldn't quality do better?

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clever:

yeah it can get better

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clever:

do you have a prog to directly feed the video to the card?

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Ediehow:

err, how do u mean?

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Ediehow:

i have ivtv driver

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clever:

yeah that would do

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clever:

if you feed the video to the screen in realtime youll get i think max quality

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clever:

letting you see how much is the bitrate and howmuch is just the card itself

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Ediehow:

i just dont want the bitrate to be higher than it needs to be

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clever:

comparing it to max quality can show how much you can gain

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Ediehow:

i mean, i'd like to have no noticeable loss in quality for high recording

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Ediehow:

how do i determine bitrate for that?

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clever:

dont know:S

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tank-man:

Ediehow, what is the resolution and bitrate you are using?

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Ediehow:

720x480 i think?

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Ediehow:

i sometimes have to use mytharchive to stick on dvd

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Ediehow:

mpeg ps

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Ediehow:

bitrate 6000x7000 for high quality

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Ediehow:

normal is

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Ediehow:

6000 being bitrate, max being 7000

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Ediehow:

default is 544x480

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Ediehow:

2800 and 3000 bitrate

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tank-man:

is it 720x480?

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tank-man:

i dont know what else you can do to make it better

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Ediehow:

well

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Ediehow:

hmm

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Ediehow:

there's the graininess often on animation

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hads:

xris: What's the difference between "What else is on at this time?" and "Back to the program listing"?

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hads:

Hmm, where does $_SESSION['list_time'] come from.

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xris:

hads: for "now", nothing

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xris:

but what if you were looking at a show 2 days in the future?

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Ediehow:

xris: do you use mytharchive?

[05:00:14]

xris:

Ediehow: no

[05:00:20]

xris:

I export to h.264 and burn to disk

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Ediehow:

i wonder why my dvds are not so good

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hads:

xris: Back to the program listing appears to be borked at the moment for me.

[05:01:45]

xris:

hads: hmm, looks busted

[05:02:48]

xris:

ah. old cached value

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xris:

in my case, since I hadn't visited the program list since yesterday, it sent me back to the last time I was browsing

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xris:

which is technically correct, even if the data is now gone

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hads:

I can't seem to get mine to update

[05:04:17]

hads:

It keeps sending me to a week ago :)

[05:06:54]

hads:

Odd, the code looks normal.

[05:08:29]

xris:

might have to click IN somewhere in the program list (browse to "next hour")

[05:08:35]

xris:

it's theoretically a bug, though

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hads:

There's something screwy. I opened a new browser and dumped $_SESSION on tv/tmpl/default/detail.php and list_time isn't there.

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hads:

That makes "Back to the program listing" always go to now as '?time='

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hads:

Although in Konqueror (what I normally browse with) SESSION['list_time'] is stuck at some time ages ago and moving the guide around doesn't seem to update it.

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xris:

weird

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hads:

Yeah, I'm just poking around trying to figure out why.

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hads:

Oh, new logo.

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hads:

Nice :)

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hads:

Odd, sessions seem to have stopped working all together actually.

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t0ny-p40:

Where can I get a list of the stuff I can use in lircrc's config=?

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t0ny-p40:

or is it just letters

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tank-man:

letters = keyboard keys = buttons used in mythtv, so yes just letters

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tank-man:

keys.txt or mythweb shows what the keys are

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mark488:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127128

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mark488:

anyone know if this will work well with sd ntsc myth? Should i look for a certain nvidia chip/set to support hardware acceleration w/ myth? xvmc..?

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xris:

mark488: get a 5200. you'll be happier

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crayzee:

Hey, I have 2 scripts to run mythfrontend. One in a window, one full screen. If I stick to one, startup is nice and fast, however, if I swap between them then the startup slows down as they re-cache all the images.

[08:00:00]

Dagmar:

your point?

[08:00:04]

crayzee:

Can someone point me to a URL (or tell me the solution) of how to get them to use seperate caches?

[08:00:22]

Dagmar:

You can try running them under different user accounts, but that's it

[08:00:32]

Dagmar:

This is *not* a configurable item. You will have to change things.

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crayzee:

OK

[08:01:13]

crayzee:

How about writing a script to move a cache directory based on what method I want. e.g.

[08:01:29]

crayzee:

rm cache; ln -s cache-window cache

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crayzee:

for the windowed case

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crayzee:

[cache being a symbolic link initially]

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crayzee:

Would that work, or mess stuff up?

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KaZeR:

hey people.

[08:04:16]

KaZeR:

i have a question :)

[08:05:12]

KaZeR:

i watched a show yesterday. now i want to keep it. i've disabled auto-expire via mythweb, but since it's in the LiveTV group, i can't see it in mythfrontend to edit and export it. what's the trick?

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crayzee:

You could backup the video file itself...

[08:05:57]

crayzee:

But then you have to locate it.

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KaZeR:

mmm well it's ugly :)

[08:06:22]

KaZeR:

i can't change the recording group from a gui? (at worst i'll do it in the DB, but ...)

[08:06:45]

crayzee:

No idea KaZeR, sorry.

[08:06:50]

KaZeR:

np, thanks :)

[08:06:58]

crayzee:

have you tried manage recordings instead of watch recordings?

[08:07:03]

crayzee:

Ahh

[08:07:12]

crayzee:

You can edit details about a recording using the menu

[08:07:18]

crayzee:

I wonder if you can change groups in that?

[08:07:29]

crayzee:

*loads myth*

[08:08:15]

crayzee:

Yup

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crayzee:

There it is

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KaZeR:

well, i can't find the recordings yet.. my eyes must be cheating on me

[08:08:31]

crayzee:

In watch recordings, press right to bring up the menu [I think m does it to]

[08:08:47]

crayzee:

Then do storage options -> change recording group

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crayzee:

Disable auto expire is also there.

[08:09:08]

KaZeR:

oh nice :)

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KaZeR:

thanks!

[08:09:14]

crayzee:

This is mythfrontend I am talking about :)

[08:09:28]

KaZeR:

perfect :)

[08:09:34]

KaZeR:

yeah, exactly what i needed

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KaZeR:

:)

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crayzee:

yw :)

[08:16:50]

crayzee:

Dagmar, in case you are interested, that solution works like a charm.

[08:18:01]

Dagmar:

Okay cool.

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Dagmar:

This is going to sound like a *really* shifty question, but how old would an 8th grader typically be?

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Dagmar:

Oh wait... I can do math

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Dagmar:

Drat. There's no point in trying to taunt this silly Catholic school because practically none of their students are likely to be old enough to *have* MySpace accounts in the first place

[08:31:57]

gbee:

think I've missed something ...

[08:32:44]

Dagmar:

Some Catholic School up north has a CNN story going on about it now having plans to expel any of their students who keeps a MySpace page

[08:33:01]

Dagmar:

They claim they're going to have "experts" trawling MySpace looking for students

[08:33:20]

Dagmar:

...and I'm wondering, how much of a witch hunt can we drive these "experts" into doing.

[08:34:07]

Dagmar:

So I have been sitting here building up a list of about a half-dozen entirely fictional schoolkids

[08:35:47]

Dagmar:

I mean, c'mon

[08:36:16]

Dagmar:

A *Catholic* school has no business making claims that the Internet is too full of child molesters

[08:36:25]

Dagmar:

Pot, meet kettle.

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Ruleke:

maybe they're also banned from goign to church

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Dagmar:

Basically, the problem here is that by telling kids NOT to do it, they're just going to make the problem worse

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Dagmar:

Especially Cathloic school kdis

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Ruleke:

I sense some generalisations there, I could be wrong :P

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Dagmar:

How many kids have you met from Catholic schools

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Dagmar:

All the ones I ever knew were practically pathologically rebellious

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Ruleke:

first of all, I think it's quite different where I am

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Ruleke:

second, I dunno, half the schools here are catholic

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Dagmar:

It's entirely the wrong approach to take

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Dagmar:

Especially because there's stuff on their website indicating that very likely their real objective is to have an excuse to stop schoolkids from posting how much they don't like their teachers on myspace

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Dagmar:

Hey hey censorship is censorship

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Dagmar:

Kids that young should have it driven into their heads that the internet is not the happy smiling place their computer was before they put a network card in it.

[08:55:09]

Dagmar:

They shouldn't be further alienated from it. That's counter productive.

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Ruleke:

computers ? heresy !

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akifdino:

hi Ruleke

[09:01:46]

akifdino:

hello all

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akifdino:

Ruleke: technotrend c1500 rocks! ;-)

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wireddd:

is there an how-to or something about setting up/using mythtranscode? and commercial flagging?

[09:09:42]

GlemSom:

I was wondering... I have the frontend and backend on the same machine.. Is there a way to make the PC shutdown (or hibernate) after a recording is done?

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wireddd:

do you want it to wake up to record the next recording?

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GlemSom:

wireddd, Well – thet could be nice aswell...

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wireddd:

GlemSom: look in mythsetup under general

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wireddd:

one of the pages should have some shutdown/wakeup options

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wireddd:

there is also this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Shutdown_Wakeup

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GlemSom:

wireddd, Thanks! :)

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wireddd:

np

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wireddd:

I would be carefull about the wakeup stuff, it sounds like you might be able to brick your mb with it

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akifdino:

does czap recognize a cam module automaticaly?

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wireddd:

akifdino: I don't know

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akifdino:

mhh

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wireddd:

there don't seem to be alot of people around right now anyway

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Dagmar:

I'm here.

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Dagmar:

Umm... you're not likely to "brick" your motherboard with timed wakeup stuff.

[09:27:05]

Dagmar:

No way.

[09:27:24]

Dagmar:

That's just not really part of the realm of possibility in this universe.

[09:27:53]

Dagmar:

Besides which, *real* men can unbrick anything.

[09:27:55]

Dagmar:

heh

[09:28:17]

Dagmar:

(Yes, I can unbrick PSPs, Linksys wireless routers, etc etc)

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wireddd:

Dagmar: you could corrupt the bios, and unless you are going to put the chip in an external flasher or whatever, you are pretty much screwed (unless your motherbard has mulitple bios banks)

[09:30:32]

Dagmar:

No, you can't.

[09:30:51]

Dagmar:

For one thing, the wakeup timer is stored in CMOS, not really much different from setting the hardware clock.

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akifdino:

when i create a channels.conf with dvbscan it also places qam into the channels.conf but those lists from vdr do not, am i doing something wrong?

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wireddd:

oh

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Dagmar:

For the other, it's not a flashing operation. The eeprom is safe.

[09:31:32]

Dagmar:

You're literally just prodding the BIOS to set it's internal alarm clock like you would on a cheap wristwatch.

[09:31:56]

Dagmar:

The only real caveat there is that most boards will *clear* the wakeup alarm you set, if you set the alarm and then set the hardware clock again.

[09:32:26]

Dagmar:

...so there's lots of people who get very confused the first time they try and it doesn't appear to work, because the OS is saving the software clock time back to the hardware clock on it's way to rebooting.

[09:32:30]

wireddd:

my knowledge of bioses is somewhat limited

[09:32:42]

Dagmar:

Mine is probably more than what would be considered healthy

[09:32:45]

Dagmar:

heh

[09:33:10]

Dagmar:

I've almost managed to finally get some parts of the BIOS on my Sony Vaio replaced.

[09:33:40]

wireddd:

are you working on the linux bios?

[09:33:46]

Dagmar:

Nope

[09:34:12]

wireddd:

just tinkering?

[09:34:17]

Dagmar:

Yep.

[09:34:37]

wireddd:

you should contribute your code to the linux bios!

[09:34:47]

Dagmar:

That and the "do-DO-doooo" noise it makes when it boots up is a little annoying

[09:34:52]

Dagmar:

There's nothing to contribute

[09:35:08]

Dagmar:

The "linux BIOS" only runs on a rather small number of machines anyway

[09:35:37]

wireddd:

I plan on buying a motherboard that is supported by it the next time I build a system

[09:36:03]

wireddd:

because I tend to keep systems pretty much forever

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Dagmar:

For me to contribute what I'm doing to that project would be about as useful as someone "contributing" a Windows application to an Apple iBook, in assembly

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wireddd:

are you working in assembly?

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Dagmar:

Enh don' bother

[09:36:44]

Dagmar:

Just buy a 4Gb flash drive and a board that can boot from USB

[09:37:16]

Dagmar:

Yes, I don't really have a choice but to work in assembly

[09:37:38]

Dagmar:

I haven't done it in about a decade, but once I found the relevant crap to tell me what I'm looking at, I started making more progress.

[09:38:08]

Dagmar:

I used to do all kinds of assembly on the c-64, and a little on the Nintendo GameBoy and GBA

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wireddd:

well you could do it in C

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Dagmar:

No, no I couldn't.

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wireddd:

too much proprietary code that you have to talk to?

[09:41:55]

Dagmar:

More a matter of I'd have to write the C code in such a manner as to be completely missing the point of writing in C in the first place.

[09:42:05]

Dagmar:

All the stuff a BIOS does is *really* damn simple

[09:42:41]

Dagmar:

Copy a region of memory, stuff some numbers into certain locations to set video modes, clear a region of memory and assign it to be buffer-space, etc.

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wireddd:

the closest thing I have done to bios programming is write some code to init/read the buttons on a portable media player

[09:47:04]

Dagmar:

Well, I was really specific about what I was looking for

[09:47:23]

Dagmar:

I mainly spent a few hours sifting through the BIOS image until I figured out where the graphical data was...

[09:47:38]

wireddd:

I would really like to hack boot from cd into this really old laptop that I have

[09:47:41]

Dagmar:

and then I went sifting through the deassembler output looking for anything that might be references to that block of memory

[09:48:02]

Dagmar:

Pretty standard stuff for when I was cracking C-64 software. ;)

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wireddd:

what were you trying to do

[09:48:49]

Dagmar:

When?

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wireddd:

to your bios

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Dagmar:

Like I said, change the graphic it displays when it boots up

[09:49:42]

Dagmar:

It shows the "VAIO" thing on the screen, and plays a somewhat annoying sound.

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wireddd:

oh, I missed that

[09:50:28]

wireddd:

I hate that stuff too, alot of the time you can turn it off though

[09:50:55]

wireddd:

without having to h4x0r your bios

[09:53:53]

Dagmar:

yeah, with AMI or AWARD, their bios is modular and I've scrounged up tools for dealing with it

[09:54:15]

Dagmar:

This is a Phoenix BIOS, so not only do I not have the tools, they don't make them available to the public

[09:58:25]

wireddd:

I have no idea who makes the bios in my old toshiba laptop

[09:59:10]

Dagmar:

Phoenix, IIRC

[09:59:15]

wireddd:

I really wish it could boot from CD though, as it doesn't have a working floppy drive

[09:59:38]

akifdino:

wireddd: which toshiba?

[09:59:56]

Dagmar:

This is what used to come up on the screen at powerup with my previous motherboard in the myth box: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/8276301/

[10:00:16]

Dagmar:

THe new motherboard's BIOS only has about 8K of space free, so without upgrading the chip itself, I'm boned

[10:00:59]

wireddd:

Toshiba Satellite Pro 435 CDS I think

[10:01:18]

akifdino:

wireddd: i've a toshiba 300 cdt satellite

[10:01:34]

wireddd:

can it boot from a CD?

[10:01:43]

akifdino:

wireddd: i suppose

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wireddd:

because mine can't

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akifdino:

wireddd: it's been long time since i installed debian on it. i would remember if i had to use a floppy to boot

[10:02:28]

akifdino:

wireddd: it is a very good router here

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Dagmar:

So make your life easier

[10:02:49]

akifdino:

wireddd: did you change to bios splash image?

[10:02:59]

Dagmar:

Buy a mini-ATA adapter, take the drive out of the notebook, and install Debian on it with it installed in a *real* machine and then put the drive back in the notebook

[10:03:00]

wireddd:

no

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wireddd:

Dagmar: I have been swaping the drive into my other laptop

[10:03:19]

akifdino:

Dagmar: yes, those adapters are very cheep

[10:03:40]

Dagmar:

My firewall kinda still runs on a 10Gb drive from an old notebook I had

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Dagmar:

heh

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wireddd:

I went ahead and got a 1ghz pc to use as my router/firewall/bittorrent(torrentflux)/fileserver machine

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akifdino:

the image hacker inside does not exist there

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akifdino:

wireddd: thats what i use for mythtv

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wireddd:

I have a 1900+ in my myth

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Dagmar:

What?

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wireddd:

I need more ram though, I only have 512

[10:05:43]

Dagmar:

What do you mean the image isn't there?

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akifdino:

wireddd: i've 768mb and a 1ghz

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Dagmar:

Oh crap

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akifdino:

Dagmar: i was trying to download the image, but it said that file doesn't exist

[10:06:10]

Dagmar:

I'm going to have to raise some hell with them

[10:06:13]

Dagmar:

The JPG is still there at least

[10:06:32]

Dagmar:

If some asshat from Intel complained, I'm going to set them straight about Fair Use and parody rights.

[10:06:33]

akifdino:

Dagmar: have you got it somehwere i could donwload?

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Dagmar:

Lemme see

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wireddd:

myth likes to suck up ram thats for sure

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wireddd:

especially the frontend

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gbee:

the frontend uses a lot, depending on the theme used, but generally it'll get by with 512Mb or less

[10:09:12]

wireddd:

it "gets by" but it isn't very smooth

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gbee:

is here – I built a be/fe with 512Mb and blootube for the theme and it's very smooth

[10:10:24]

hads:

That's exactly what I was about to say :)

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wireddd:

honestly I would prefer a very lean frontend

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wireddd:

I hardly see it anyway

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Dagmar:

Man what the hell is with DeviantArt LOSING artwork like this

[10:12:07]

Dagmar:

They've lost BOTH the things I uploaded there

[10:12:10]

wireddd:

I spend most of my time watching tv not the gui :)

[10:12:37]

gbee:

there are a couple of plugins which use far more memory than they should (when in use) but I hope to at least sort out mythmusic

[10:12:53]

wireddd:

I don't use any plugins

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wireddd:

I use xbmc for everything else

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gbee:

the smoothness of the gui is more affected by the video chipset and painter used

[10:13:45]

wireddd:

opengl nvidia 440mx

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wireddd:

you have to understand that I am comparing it to my tivo though

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gbee:

heh, same one I've got in the be/fe I mentioned *shrug*

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wireddd:

which is pretty much the gold standard as far as dvr guis are concerned

[10:16:48]

Dagmar:

akifdino: THANKFULLY, I'm a g*dd*mn packrat when it comes to my files.

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Dagmar:

akifdino: http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/bios/

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akifdino:

Dagmar: thank youuu

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Dagmar:

It just took a little while to dig through 28Gb of data

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Dagmar:

heh

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Dagmar:

I made the original version of that logo back in um... 96 I think

[10:17:46]

Dagmar:

Maybe 94. It's been a loooong time

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akifdino:

Dagmar: good work

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akifdino:

looks grate

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Dagmar:

Umm... don't use those ROM files for anything unless you have an MSI-6712 board.

[10:18:39]

Dagmar:

That would turn out bad.

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Dagmar:

Heh

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Dagmar:

I guess you could pull them into AMIBCP and pull the relevant modules out tho

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akifdino:

i've an entry in mythbackend log file: DTVMux, Warning: Invalid inversion, falling back to 'auto' what does it mean? does it mean for one channel or for all?

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janneg:

is anyone here affected by ticket 3031 and uses a dvb card?

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Ruleke:

janneg: I think I've seen that... sec

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janneg:

Ruleke: it's the "Recording will not commence until a PMT is set." issue

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Ruleke:

I just read it yeah

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Ruleke:

meh nope don't have it

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Ruleke:

I'm still having interesting scan issues though :)

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Ruleke:

with the dvbutils scan tool being successful and mythtv not at all for some transports :)

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frink_:

Was somebody here involved with Mythdora?

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janneg:

Ruleke: yeah, only north americans are affected by that bug

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frink_:

Unlike the Bush bug which affects many people ;-)

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janneg:

Ruleke: and I will not touch the scanner if I can avoid it

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Ruleke:

hehe

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Ruleke:

it's a pity, I'm missing quite a lot of channels on my cable these days

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janneg:

except several minor twits the scanner works here as expected

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Ruleke:

yeah I blame the cable company really

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frink_:

Does anybody here use DVB in the UK?

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rsdvd_:

frink_ : yes!

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frink_:

rsdvd_: Whoooo at last!

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frink_:

rsdvd_: What DVB card do you use?

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Dagmar:

Nope.

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Dagmar:

Something else has to have changed in your system configuration

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Dagmar:

...or you've somehow managed to install 0.20-fixes at the *same time* as 0.19.

[12:05:20]

Dagmar:

Check to make sure you're not seeing duplicate binaries in /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin

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rhp_at_work:

I have a running 0.19 in /opt/mythtv-0.19, and I'm testing /opt/mythtv-0.20.

[12:12:57]

rhp_at_work:

With corresponding databases myth019 and myth020

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rhp_at_work:

Reverting to 0.19 i get no problems.

[12:20:36]

rhp_at_work:

0.20 should still work with ivtv version 0.4.2 ?

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fryfrog:

can anyone read japanese/chinese/korean?

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fryfrog:

(or recognize it)

[12:26:08]

fryfrog:

http://postsecret.blogspot.com/

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Dagmar:

rhp_at_work: Check your /etc/ld.so.conf and make SURE you don't have /opt/mythtv-0.19/lib in front of /opt/mythtv-0.20/lib

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Dagmar:

You should really only have one of the two in there, or you need to be setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH to something

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Dagmar:

...in addition to correcting your $PATH to no longer include /opt/mythtv-0.19/bin

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milan:

hey i have a problem

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milan:

sometimes mythtv live tv is crashing

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milan:

so i have to kill the process

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milan:

after that i can't watch live tv anymore

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rhp_at_work:

Dagmar: no mention of mythtv in ld.so.conf. I've updated the init.d scripts to refer to the right setup. No mixing of .so-s there either.

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frink_:

milan: I had that, but it wasnt myth crashing, it was power management on the PC starting an dkilling things!

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milan:

frink_ do you know how to fix it?

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milan:

cause now i can't watch tv anymore or i have to reboot :'(

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frink_:

milan: Nar I had to reboot too. I just built a new box. But this may not be the problem you have.

[12:59:05]

frink_:

And I do not know enough about Myth to help you much :(

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milan:

ok thank you frink_ it seems it's a bug in mythtv i see

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frink_:

Do you know is mythbackend crashes?

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frink_:

Do you have any output from it?

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milan:

no

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frink_:

or is it the frontend that dies?

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milan:

i don't know

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milan:

but when i try to start live tv

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milan:

screen turns black and returns to menu

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frink_:

next time it dies, do "ps -uax" and see if mythbackend is still running

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milan:

ok ty

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milan:

i have to go now

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milan:

bye

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frink_:

seeya

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ubuntuEdgy:

dose the mce receiver work with other remotes ? i have placed the new remote stuff in lirc.conf ,but when i test it with "irw" only the mce remote works ?

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SteveH:

Hi. My mythfrontend loses connection to the backend (same pc) every few days. I've been told that this is due to an incompatibility between mythtv 0.20 and mysql 5. Is this correct? If so what is the easiest fix?

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Dagmar:

ubuntuEdgy: It *should* be able to, but there are limits. There are three different carrier frequencies used by remote controls and most recievers can at least see the first two. (The third is really rare to encounter, and MCE remotes don't use it)

[13:15:59]

Dagmar:

SteveH: To downgrade back to MySQL 4.

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Dagmar:

...or just ignore it

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SteveH:

too annoying to ignore!

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frink_:

downgrade#

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Dagmar:

So downgrade

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ubuntuEdgy:

Dagmar: can i acauly use two remotes ?

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Dagmar:

The less easy option is to break out your copy of strace and prepare to make a REALLY big logfile

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Dagmar:

ubuntuEdgy: You *may*, but whether or not you know LIRC well enough to construct the config file needed, and whether or not these use protocols with signal collisions is up in the air

[13:18:22]

Dagmar:

ubuntuEdgy: It would probably be less of a hassle to go to your local discount store and buy a pair of semi-programmable One4All remotes that have all the buttons you want

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qu0zl:

SteveH, I fixed a similar problem either with a new version of mysql 4, or mysql5. Can't remember which as it was 9 months back

[13:19:18]

qu0zl:

you can change the inactive session timeouts for mysql. Then it won't drop the mythtv connections to the backend if they do nothing

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ubuntuEdgy:

yeh i knwo good idea Dagmar . but first im going to try irrecord

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ubuntuEdgy:

time to call google

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qu0zl:

i don't have the settings anymore as mythtv added auto-reconnet support, so i don't need it any more

[13:19:52]

qu0zl:

surprised you would

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Dagmar:

i <3 you for using Google.

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Dagmar:

You will go FAR in this field.

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frink_:

like the farmer i once knew

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frink_:

he was out standing in his field.

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qu0zl:

lame :(

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Dagmar:

Yep.

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Ruleke:

hehe

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juski:

'noon :)

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frink_:

Hey Ruleke – what DVB tuner do you use?

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juski:

frink_: jus get yerself a hauppauge nova-t or 2

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juski:

save the hassle & uncertainty

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frink_:

yeah

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frink_:

I guess.

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stuarta:

hiho everyone

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juski:

or look at the wiki's capture card matrix

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frink_:

i'd like something a little faster at tuning though.

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juski:

eh-o stuarta

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frink_:

But juski, you are right.. I should just shut up and get one :)

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juski:

frink_: it's down to the driver, not myth

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juski:

since 0.18 I've seen the channel change time go from 10secs+ to less than 5 secs

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gbee:

with head it's gone down a little further

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frink_:

juski: Yeah, driver and hardware. Myth works just fine.

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juski:

anyway <rant mode> mythtv is all about rearranging TV to suit your life, not the other way around

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frink_:

Amen juski !

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frink_:

DVB is just MPEG2 isnt it, so a PVR350 should decode it ok?

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juski:

frink_: jups

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juski:

pvr350 eh? shudder

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gbee:

just got back in, so I've read back a little and someone was mentioning mysql5 probs? Works fine here and I'm not aware of any known issues

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juski:

gbee: maybe it's a side effect of that dodgy version of qt ?

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juski:

3.3.8 isn't it?

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Dagmar:

WHAT?

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** Dagmar checks **

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Dagmar:

Damnit

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juski:

whoops! Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers (0x80004005)

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juski:

[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][TCP/IP Sockets]SQL Server does not exist or access denied.

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juski:

ah well that's me not placing an urgent order today then

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gbee:

doesn't seem to be, the broken QT only affects mythtv apps when exiting them – he's mentioning a fe/be disconnect somehow relating to mysql 5

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gbee:

not saying there isn't such an issue, just that it's the first I remember hearing about it

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frink_:

juski: Oh well...

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juski:

frink_: you shouldn't have any problems decoding the dvb stuff :)

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juski:

actually I'm still on the lookout for confirmation or otherwise of pvr350 decoding support being deprecated in mythtv

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gbee:

mpeg2 takes very little work to decode – unless you're planning on running the frontend on a pocket calculator you should be fine

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juski:

gbee: tell that to my epia frontend :(

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gbee:

juski: as I said, pocket calculator ;)

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frink_:

deprecated? I thought it was like well cool quality mpeg decoding

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gbee:

pvr350 decoding support _is_ deprecated because no-one can be bothered to keep it working – few (of any) devs have a pvr350 and every little change to the code seems to break the 350

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gbee:

s/of/if/

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juski:

I need to start building minimyth at home so I can diagnose wtf is going on with it breaking every release

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juski:

dunno yet if it's openchrome driver changes, Xorg or myth

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gbee:

if someone stepped up to maintain it, then sure it would continue to exist in mythtv

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juski:

heheh there goes (sh)IT guy into the server room to reset the e-req box

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frink_:

juski: Windows box?

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ubuntuEdgy:

can any one tell me why the backend has a cpu procces called mythtv

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stuarta:

you *cannot* be serious?

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Dagmar:

Yes he can

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Dagmar:

Look at his nickname.

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ubuntuEdgy:

lmaoo

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** stuarta looks for the cluebat **

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frink_:

Oh thats nice, when you do *this* irssi makes the test encased in *these* bold!

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ubuntuEdgy:

my bad , i have seen it also has mythbackend on its name

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stuarta:

frink_: there are _other_ cool things *too*

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ubuntuEdgy:

the thing is i also installed the front end on the backend so i thou the frontend was also running

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** frink_ takes the cluebat from stuarta and wacks his _*IT*_ peopel with it **

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frink_:

_IT_

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frink_:

there :)

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frink_:

Oh sod it, my bloody new mythtv motherboard I scrounged has 2 PCI slots and 2 of them new bloody epci thingies, the silly little ones.

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ubuntuEdgy:

any one have this isue off not beeing able to change the pip window , "N" dose not do it

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** frink_ goes to get tes **

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frink_:

a

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frink_:

tea

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frink_:

bah

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MaxeyPad:

Should I be able to watch 720p video piped through VGA to a high def tv using mythtv? The box is a 2.8ghz p4 with 1.5gb ram and an intel video card (laptop). I guess my main question here is the video card strong enough

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Dagmar:

tested?

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frink_:

What video card is it?

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Dagmar:

MaxeyPad: possible

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gardengnome:

re.

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frink_:

but so long as it aint like a old nasty PCI thing it should be fine.

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frink_:

anybody seen them USB video 'cards'

[14:29:05]

gardengnome:

yeah, so. the channel FAQ is really out of date. shouldn't it be merged into http://wiki.mythtv.org?

[14:29:11]

gardengnome:

Beirdo: *ping* ^^

[14:29:53]

Beirdo:

so update it

[14:30:06]

Beirdo:

or add the contents onto that wiki :)

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janneg:

is any north american ATSC over DVB card user here who is affected by the "Recording will not commence until a PMT is set." bug (ticket 3031)

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gardengnome:

Beirdo: i've just updated a few things. i'll contemplate if it's worth moving or not ;)

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Beirdo:

K

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Beirdo:

if it does get moved over, let me know, I can easily shut down the wiki

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gardengnome:

yep. heh. the mail man has just given me some school books, though. it'll take some time before i get back to the wiki

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Beirdo:

fun :)

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MaxeyPad:

its an ati something,

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MaxeyPad:

the card is intel

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HeppyCat:

good morning

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juski:

oh dear (sh)IT can't fix the sql server

[14:44:26]

juski:

thet've tried rebooting & everything so it's time to get a consultant in

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frink_:

juski: is it s Mykr0$0f7 SQL server?

[14:44:42]

HeppyCat:

juski: IT is too busy ircing right now. please submit a ticket and we will get to your problem in a timely manner

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frink_:

They tried everything ;-)

[14:44:43]

juski:

frink_: AFAIK yes

[14:45:11]

juski:

ah well. might aswell upgrade my autocad while I wait

[14:45:19]

frink_:

juski: Yeah, we have the same problem with Oracle. Last time it broke our "Oracle consultant" managed to drop all the tables with user account bindings in them.... It sucked.

[14:45:41]

frink_:

juski: You have autocad? What do you do?

[14:45:59]

juski:

frink_: all kinds of things

[14:46:11]

frink_:

juski: me too!

[14:46:15]

juski:

my job title is 'electronic technician'

[14:46:27]

HeppyCat:

ive got too many autocad users

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frink_:

heh

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frink_:

I am "Systems Architect"

[14:46:37]

HeppyCat:

that and solidworks

[14:46:47]

juski:

my boss says he needs to try & get me a revised job title – I say to hell with that just gimme more money!

[14:46:50]

frink_:

Autocad is over rated.. I just use xfig

[14:47:06]

frink_:

juski: Your revised job title will be whatever his is.

[14:47:26]

Dagmar:

They're going to tack "senior" onto it

[14:47:52]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: and give him less money because old people can be glad they have a job.

[14:47:57]

Dagmar:

heh

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juski:

I don't care so long as I get mo money

[14:48:11]

HeppyCat:

so, how about a myth related question :)

[14:48:12]

Dagmar:

No, but it will make him their "go to" guy in that department

[14:48:13]

MaxeyPad:

do howto guides exist for setting up mythtv on debian?

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Dagmar:

Meaning they'll come to him and ask him to work long hours if they're about to miss a deadline

[14:48:44]

gardengnome:

HeppyCat: our myth supporters are busy IRCing, please create a ticket. ;)

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HeppyCat:

my roommate just moved out & left me his myth box. right now it's got two tuners, but running off basic cable. can i hook up a digital cable box to one of the tuners and have it use a seperate channel list/schedule?

[14:49:54]

juski:

it's possible

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juski:

.. with a little work

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stuarta:

MaxeyPad: look at the wiki

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** juski just got that nick... sheesh **

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stuarta:

haha!

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tam_pon is now known as Juski

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Juski:

hometime!

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** frink_ needs a cuddle **

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Beirdo:

sorry, too busy cuddling my puppy

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** stuarta offers beer instead **

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orko_:

hi. i have a question related to recording parameters. the defautl is 480x480 , aspect ratio 4:3. are these two parameters indepentant?

[15:13:40]

orko_:

i meant 480x480 is not a aspect ratio of 4:3

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thylacine222:

Does anyone know how to set the time that it skips for jump forward and jump rewind during tv playback?

[15:14:14]

HeppyCat:

thylacine222: ive dug around for that and cant seem to find it

[15:14:25]

thylacine222:

orko_: they are, usually. What type of card do you have?

[15:14:48]

orko_:

pvr350

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thylacine222:

Do you want to record in 4:3?

[15:15:11]

orko_:

yes.

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orko_:

doesn't 480x480 deform the recording?

[15:16:01]

thylacine222:

What´s the output of "v4l2-ctl -V"?

[15:16:16]

thylacine222:

Assuming you´re using updated ivtv drivesr

[15:16:34]

orko_:

thylacine222: don't know. I am away from my box.

[15:16:54]

orko_:

thylacine222: What can i see from this output?

[15:17:06]

thylacine222:

I think NTSC is supposed to be 720x480, so I assume that it deforms it.

[15:17:16]

thylacine222:

It tells you the resolution that you are recording at.

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thylacine222:

For example, mine has the line Width/Height : 480/480

[15:17:43]

thylacine222:

Which is wrong.

[15:17:50]

thylacine222:

Crap, I have to change that too.

[15:18:28]

thylacine222:

to change it, the command it v4l2-ctl -v width=720,height=480

[15:18:43]

thylacine222:

It might be a little different for pvr-350, I´m not sure.

[15:18:49]

orko_:

thylacine222. i thought mythtv sets this stuff on my pvr350 for me?

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stuarta:

myth does. just set it up in the recording profiles

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orko_:

stuarta: so i dont have to care about v4l2? i just set 704x576 and my pvr records with this?

[15:21:46]

stuarta:

that's what the recording profiles are for :)

[15:22:42]

orko_:

Back to my inital question what is the relation between widthxheight and aspect ratio. because mythtv's defautl is 480x480 and 4:3 .

[15:25:08]

stuarta:

one is the capture resolution

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stuarta:

the other is the aspect ratio.

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orko_:

What does that mean? when is the aspect ratio "applied"

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briand:

orko_: mythtv doesn't have a default. you probably mean that your capture card's default is ... (etc0

[15:27:16]

orko_:

the default of the default recording profile is 480x480 4:3

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orko_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Recording_Parameters

[15:27:35]

orko_:

sorry have to go. will ask my question later again,-)

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briand:

legacy, no doubt. ivtv has its default set to 480x480

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mothas:

Hi all. I seem to have no sound on one of my front-ends. Other software on the box play sounds just fine. I suspect my daughter of having punched the wrong button on the keyboard – any idea what she could have done? (sorry for the double-post)

[15:34:36]

qu0zl:

obvious question i know, but have you checked the volume and mute buttons?

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ByteChanger:

mothas: Quit blaming your daughter... ;-)

[15:35:26]

qu0zl:

what, it was you ByteChanger?

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qu0zl:

omg!

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mothas:

Yes – the volume & mute at the system level are OK.

[15:35:45]

ByteChanger:

reminds me of the guy who said his kid pointed a lazer at an airplane... hehe

[15:35:46]

qu0zl:

mythtv's volume and mute mothas

[15:36:25]

ByteChanger:

speakers plugged in, powered on? It used to work on this box?

[15:36:26]

mothas:

Now I'm embarrassed, but how to you check them? I've tried F9 and | with not apparent effect.

[15:36:30]

qu0zl:

try ]

[15:36:37]

qu0zl:

for me that's volup, and | is mute

[15:36:44]

qu0zl:

but i might have changed them

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ByteChanger:

] is volup here too...

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mothas:

Well, | didn't cause any sound to happen, so I'm guessing Myth isn't muted. I'll check the volume...

[15:37:52]

ByteChanger:

love these play by play moments...:-)

[15:38:19]

ByteChanger:

then suddenly... you get a ... It works!! hehe

[15:39:39]

mothas:

Going to take a minute – got to boot. Looks like she rebooted to windows sometime last night.

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thylacine222:

Have you checked the audio output device?

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mothas:

Well – it didn't seem to work. Should there be any kind of on-screen feedback when you adjust volume/mute ?

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thylacine222:

Go to Options/General/the second or third page, and that should be the audio settings.

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mothas:

'k

[15:44:10]

thylacine222:

Check the settings to see if they´re messed up

[15:44:17]

mothas:

checking...

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thylacine222:

Do you have alsa?

[15:47:29]

thylacine222:

If so, try setting the output device to ALSA:default

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mothas:

Yes – but setting it to alsa was an earlier attempt to get sound back. It has previously worked without it.

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thylacine222:

What do you have for the mixer?

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mothas:

/dev/mixer I believe

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thylacine222:

Hm..

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mothas:

(checking to make sure)...

[15:50:47]

mothas:

yup

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mothas:

OK – is there any way to verify the Myth volume & mute settings? I'd like to eliminate those from consideration.

[15:52:07]

thylacine222:

Wait, first, what´s the output of mythfrontend?

[15:52:42]

thylacine222:

Usually sound problems show up there

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mothas:

Will check. I'm going to log out of irc for just a sec & get back in from that box – this going back and forth between rooms is nuts.

[15:52:57]

fysa:

python tabbing is really freaking annoying me.

[15:53:32]

** stuarta hates python **

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** thylacine222 is hating mythweb right now. **

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BaZiL:

anyone remember where to set the config for streamtv ?

[16:02:18]

BaZiL:

i have it installed but its streaming to wrong ipnr

[16:03:49]

qu0zl:

mothas when i adjust volume/mute there's a graphic displayed on screen i think. Definitely is for volume, not sure about mute

[16:04:00]

qu0zl:

i'm in work now so can't check

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qu0zl:

and he quit 10 minutes ago :) d'oh

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thylacine222:

Mothas: are you running kde?

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thylacine222:

Or tyoung.

[16:05:11]

tyoung:

Nah – switched computers – I was mothas.

[16:05:23]

tyoung:

gnome

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thylacine222:

I would just try switching to alsa again.

[16:06:19]

thylacine222:

That´s what was doing it for me.

[16:06:26]

thylacine222:

Artsd was using it.

[16:06:36]

qu0zl:

or check for esd, i think that's the gnome sound daemon

[16:07:00]

tyoung:

I think that's right.

[16:07:08]

qu0zl:

artsd is kde

[16:07:21]

qu0zl:

esd may be 2002 though. i tend to live in the past :)

[16:07:40]

tyoung:

For ALSA:default, do I need the mixer to be AMIXER?

[16:08:04]

tyoung:

As of ubuntu dapper it still used ESD.

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Dagmar:

esd is the enlightenment sound daemon

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tyoung:

Bingo!

[16:09:24]

Dagmar:

GNOME no longer needs it, but it can be used.

[16:09:36]

tyoung:

I wonder whatever happened to E17?

[16:09:53]

qu0zl:

they were too good for this world tyoung. People didn't appreciate them

[16:10:16]

gardengnome:

isn't it still being developed?

[16:10:37]

tyoung:

I have to say E16 was nice.

[16:11:21]

qu0zl:

that's a quote from their page, looks like it's happily continuing it's undead

[16:11:51]

qu0zl:

i don';t know anybody who uses it anymore though

[16:11:52]

tyoung:

Hmmm... may have to give a try again. That and/or beryl

[16:13:50]

Dagmar:

qu0zl: Mainly people who are about to boot back into windows for their porno, I think

[16:14:02]

tyoung:

Back in the day, I liked it but ended up switching to fluxbox to get snappier response.

[16:14:29]

fysa:

reboot for porno?

[16:14:55]

Dagmar:

I don't think I've ever seen anyone who does *productive* things with their computer using it

[16:15:02]

qu0zl:

:)

[16:15:38]

tyoung:

Say – is there any good way to add a user to Myth? The database doesn't seem to like non-admin users to access it.

[16:16:06]

Dagmar:

This is because you didn't follow the installation instructions.

[16:16:22]

tyoung:

No doubt. Story of my life.

[16:16:31]

qu0zl:

the norm is to run myth front and backend as a non super-user tyoung.

[16:17:00]

Dagmar:

I run it all as root because frankly, I don't give a crap.

[16:17:03]

qu0zl:

you should be able to add any users you want to the mysql db for that myth db

[16:17:10]

tyoung:

Yes, I know that. I can run as the user 'myth' no problem. The difficulty seems to be with other users.

[16:17:30]

Dagmar:

qu0zl: You do get that he's talking about mysql usernames, right?

[16:17:32]

qu0zl:

'myth' isn't a super-user

[16:17:42]

qu0zl:

yep, hence 'you should be able to add any users you want to the mysql db for that myth d'

[16:17:48]

tyoung:

Basically from other front-ends that are not dedicated myth boxes.

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onewheelskyward:

tyoung: You can run mythfrontend from any box under any user, and specify the standard mysql login information.

[16:38:22]

onewheelskyward:

Or you can create several mysql users, and use those credentials. It takes a little more time, but can be done with no problem.

[16:40:39]

Dagmar:

Or you can take a crayon and trace the outline of your hand pressed against the side of the case, and with a little glitter and some glue, make a festive turkey drawing

[16:41:25]

onewheelskyward:

Turkey? In April? It's not even memorial day!

[16:41:37]

onewheelskyward:

Come to think of it, it's not even April.

[16:41:39]

Dagmar:

That's why it's a *stealth* turkey

[16:41:41]

ASiDiE:

Grayfoxx... you around?

[16:53:30]

GreyFoxx:

ASiDiE: Yes

[16:53:33]

GreyFoxx:

barely

[16:54:49]

ASiDiE:

hey... do you know anything about the eit dish code.... wasn't it you that added it to the svn release?

[16:55:01]

ASiDiE:

or even wrote that code?

[16:55:09]

gardengnome:

[16:55:14]

ASiDiE:

hehe :)

[16:55:57]

GreyFoxx:

ASiDiE: A long time ago I applied the code that fixed reading EIT from dish yes. But it's all been redone long since then]

[16:56:17]

stuarta:

ASiDiE: what is it you wanted to know?

[16:56:34]

GreyFoxx:

stuarta: Knows a lot more about the EIT code than I do now

[16:57:15]

ASiDiE:

ok.... cool... will GEMX is working on getting this to work for MP... he posted something over here.. maybe you can help him out with that...

[16:57:17]

ASiDiE:

http://dvbn.happysat.org/viewtopic.php?t=39596&start=30

[16:57:30]

ASiDiE:

currently it's working.. but seems to skip some shows..

[16:57:49]

ASiDiE:

do you have any thoughs on that one?

[16:58:20]

stuarta:

it requires a login

[16:58:24]

Chai_Sangeen:

hello everyone

[16:58:33]

stuarta:

which i don't have and don't plan on creating

[16:58:48]

ASiDiE:

ahh

[16:59:42]

stuarta:

i'm happy to help, i just don't do forums (especially if i have to log in)

[16:59:46]

Chai_Sangeen:

in mythtv wiki it mentions that the internal player is capable of playing avi files... but when i select the avi file it says loading and stops

[17:02:35]

ASiDiE:

stuarta...

[17:02:44]

ASiDiE:

mind if i paste the message into a pm?

[17:03:15]

ASiDiE:

gemx is here.. or around.. would you have a problem talking to him.. if he had just a couple questions?

[17:04:02]

stuarta:

sure no problem, even qualifies for #mythtv

[17:04:16]

stuarta:

prefer a pastebin tho

[17:04:23]

stuarta:

(for the msg)

[17:04:26]

ASiDiE:

ok

[17:04:28]

ASiDiE:

will do

[17:04:29]

ASiDiE:

one sec

[17:04:55]

Chai_Sangeen:

stuarta, i finally got my dvb-s working!

[17:05:45]

ASiDiE:

http://pastebin.team-mediaportal.com/12305

[17:05:53]

ASiDiE:

there it is stuarta

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stuarta:

Chai_Sangeen: cool. anything special required?

[17:07:57]

stuarta:

btw. feel free to write up your experiences in the mythtv wiki

[17:08:09]

stuarta:

ASiDiE: the tableid's don't look right

[17:08:30]

ASiDiE:

gemx is here.... should be joining right up

[17:09:42]

ASiDiE:

so is the eit for myth working right now stuart?

[17:09:48]

ASiDiE:

+a

[17:10:10]

stuarta:

yes it is

[17:10:15]

ASiDiE:

k...

[17:10:34]

stuarta:

if you see MrGandalf around chat to him, he runs dishnet natively

[17:10:53]

** stuarta digs in the source some more **

[17:11:24]

ASiDiE:

I will write that name down... thanks... damn.. why isn't he joining here.. is gemx talking to you in a pm?

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stuarta:

no gemx

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ASiDiE:

humm

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Chai_Sangeen:

stuarta, yeah prob was the disque setting i had to choose universal (Europe) and then i got the transpoder setting from kaffine and imported them via channels.conf

[17:14:13]

Chai_Sangeen:

stuarta, now two things are left not use why i cant play avi files using the internal player. I also changes the font to small and now i cant revert it back.. can u help?

[17:14:50]

stuarta:

Chai_Sangeen: can you scan the transponders okay with myth?

[17:15:26]

Chai_Sangeen:

stuarta, no i was not able to do that the only way it worked was via the channels.conf method

[17:15:54]

Chai_Sangeen:

stuarta, also its not grabbing the EPG

[17:17:16]

ASiDiE:

stuarta... do you mind of gemx PM's you?

[17:17:29]

ASiDiE:

for some reason it says this channel is blocked..

[17:17:55]

milan:

hey i have a problem mythtv sometimes freezes, and after that i can't turn back into livetv anymore. If i want to watch livetv the screen turns black and then it goes to the menu again. Restarting backend server won't work, the only solution is to reboot my computer... But that's not what I like...

[17:20:41]

stuarta:

ASiDiE: this channel isn't blocked, however certain usernames are banned

[17:21:46]

thylacine222:

Is it possible to set mythcommflag to run only at night?

[17:21:54]

thylacine222:

Can I just put it in a cron job?

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stuarta:

thylacine222: yes and no

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stuarta:

there are lots of things you can set wrt job handling

[17:22:48]

thylacine222:

Do I do that in the frontend or mythtvsetup?

[17:23:38]

stuarta:

frontend

[17:23:48]

thylacine222:

Never mind, jfgoogled it.

[17:32:45]

onewheelskyward:

milan: There should be some fun information in your messages or mythbackend log when that happens.

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sigger:

briand: what whole plugin?

[17:53:46]

briand:

sigger: mythmusic

[17:54:42]

briand:

sigger: and the phone just rang.. my lunch awaits. we can chat later.. :)

[17:54:42]

sigger:

briand: you can change the tree "orientation" in the setup

[17:54:57]

briand:

sigger: yes, to an extent.

[17:55:48]

sigger:

of course what I'd _really_ like to do is have a few items at the root: genre, artist (split), album. etc.

[17:56:06]

briand:

:)

[17:57:18]

briand:

sigger: I have (at present) 31,842 mp3 files. all singles on the Billboard Hot 100 chart, mostly in the top 10 or top 40... including -all- the songs to reach #1 (1954 thru 2006)

[17:57:53]

sigger:

wow. I'm a piker at 14,000. that's some torrent.

[17:58:14]

Juski:

torrent/flood/big rar

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briand:

torrent?? nope. all encoded from my personal cd/album collection

[18:00:27]

sigger:

that's a lotta time.

[18:00:35]

Juski:

amen to that

[18:00:45]

Juski:

all that time ripping, tagging, sorting...

[18:00:46]

** hjohnson has 80GB of music, all ripped from personal collections. **

[18:01:03]

hjohnson:

Juski: hmm? no, you let the ripping program do all the tagging form CDDB and what have you.

[18:01:12]

hjohnson:

and iTunes do the sorting. :) you just feed it CDs.

[18:01:28]

Juski:

more than half of my cds don't have cddb info :(

[18:01:42]

onewheelskyward:

That's what, enough music that you can play it back to back, 24/7 for about 2 months without repeating?

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sigger:

torrents can have tags munged to the point where it would be easier/cheaper (in the sense of time = money) to just buy the thing twice.

[18:02:55]

Juski:

try getting cddb info for dance cd singles :)

[18:03:24]

onewheelskyward:

JAzz and classical are well documented, especially the older varieties.

[18:03:29]

onewheelskyward:

It's the newer world music that's hard.

[18:03:39]

sigger:

I get cddb data on MoS/Creamfields/etc stuff, but that's more mainstream I guess

[18:03:58]

Juski:

most newer stuff comes with cddb info automatically

[18:04:07]

Juski:

MoS.. pfft!

[18:04:29]

sigger:

eh gone downhill, but it fit the example

[18:04:34]

onewheelskyward:

I just wish Sony's CD TEXT caught on a bit more. It's pretty sweet to pop a CD into your car stereo and have it print the track/artist info.

[18:04:48]

** Juski is loving his new car stereo :) **

[18:05:14]

onewheelskyward:

What'd ya get, Juski?

[18:05:18]

Juski:

not loving my mp3 player/usb hdd though – doesn't power itself from USB, so runs its battery down

[18:05:27]

Juski:

I need a big portable hdd

[18:05:34]

** onewheelskyward has a 10 year old sony head unit...still going strong. :) **

[18:05:49]

Juski:

onewheelskyward: Kenwood KDC-Q6534U

[18:05:50]

onewheelskyward:

Did you ever see the sonic blue thing? dual laptop hd's mounted in a single DIN unit.

[18:06:03]

Juski:

whoops Kenwood KDC-W6534U

[18:06:26]

onewheelskyward:

That was back in 2000...someone bought them out and killed it. Nice item, though. USB connection or ethernet.

[18:06:29]

Juski:

blows my old Pioneer unit away in terms of sound quality – somewhat unexpectedly actually

[18:06:39]

onewheelskyward:

Juski: Using the internal amp?

[18:06:53]

Juski:

yeah I saw that – it needed to get into mass production to bring the price down though

[18:06:56]

Juski:

yeah

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Juski:

god I'm WAY too old to be messing with amps & subs

[18:07:23]

onewheelskyward:

Yeah it was way too expensive. That's why I never ended up with one.

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onewheelskyward:

haha

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Juski:

4x25W RMS is enough for me

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Juski:

my Pioneer was 4x40W RMS, got up to 115dBA before clipping which isn't good for you

[18:08:41]

onewheelskyward:

Yeah, I can hit about 110 on my stereo. It does wonders for reducing the perceived level of road noise. :)

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Juski:

my home setup peaked at 120dBA, but it was on '11', as high as it'll go

[18:10:15]

Juski:

I was in the market for new speakers when i bought my new amp, but my wife kyboshed it, wanting to keep the big floorstanders :)

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onewheelskyward:

Separate.

[18:12:22]

Juski:

I had that usb effort of mine in bits at lunchtime – man those 1.3" hdds are diddy!

[18:12:26]

Juski:

1.8"

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[18:12:58]

onewheelskyward:

Are those perpendicular?

[18:13:02]

onewheelskyward:

The Toshiba dealies?

[18:14:00]

Juski:

nah this un's only 3.3GB

[18:14:11]

Juski:

looking for about 40GB – that should be enough for on the road

[18:14:37]

onewheelskyward:

You're in the EU, right? I can't help you there...I only know US retailers.

[18:14:58]

Juski:

I know I can get 40GB, USB2 from ebay for about 30 GBP shipped

[18:15:25]

Juski:

thing is I only ever spend what I can afford to lose on ebay

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gardengnome:

won't the vibrations kill the hard disk?

[18:16:08]

Juski:

maybe eventually

[18:16:22]

Juski:

I might just stick with flash for now then

[18:16:49]

onewheelskyward:

In a car it's not so bad. I used to have problems with my HD based player when I had it stuck in my motorcycle jacket. Around 50–70 mph it started skipping due to wind buffeting.

[18:17:04]

Juski:

whether or not the hdd dies in the car is all down to how it's mounted & how bad it mistracks

[18:17:29]

Juski:

since it'll be read-only there's less chance of corruption anyway ;)

[18:17:40]

kormoc:

gardengnome, you can get 'special' enclosures designed for car travel and similar

[18:17:45]

kormoc:

donno how well they work tho

[18:18:00]

Juski:

I have a nice bit of foam it'd sit in :)

[18:18:26]

Juski:

actually the stuff hdd manufacturers ship the drives in, inside the box

[18:18:36]

gardengnome:

oooh

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gardengnome:

i have such a thing from samsung. it's überfluffy.

[18:18:48]

onewheelskyward:

A set of shock absorbers from a remote control car would do the trick. The foam is too hard to absorb the kind of shock it will be exposed to.

[18:18:50]

Juski:

but then, they're not spinning in transit

[18:18:53]

gbee:

so foam then

[18:18:55]

onewheelskyward:

That's shipping foam, non-operational.

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onewheelskyward:

You need something that will move, but will slow the travel so the HD isn't affected.

[18:19:49]

onewheelskyward:

That should do the trick. :)

[18:20:21]

Juski:

yeah but transvu is too big to fit in my glove compartment

[18:20:26]

Juski:

and it's a cctv dvr

[18:20:38]

onewheelskyward:

You didn't really want your passenger seat anyway, did you?

[18:20:43]

** Juski laughs **

[18:21:44]

Juski:

you know why I don't want amps & subs? I like to go shopping sometimes

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HeppyCat:

ive got a nice 10" sub in my car

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Juski:

besides... amps & all that – next stop it'd be _wanker_ _lights_

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HeppyCat:

hardly takes up any room

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onewheelskyward:

Same here, Heppy.

[18:23:00]

HeppyCat:

factory chevy pioneer install

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Juski:

if you're gonna go as far as that, 10" isn't enough :-P

[18:24:41]

HeppyCat:

works fine for me. i cant stand to turn it up all the way

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onewheelskyward:

I have a 10 too, with plenty of trunk space left. I do have a huge trunk,. though.

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Juski:

pity most places don't let you try before you buy so you can find out what does the job

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HeppyCat:

ive got a large trunk, but a tiny opening

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HeppyCat:

the sub is mounted on the left side

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Juski:

jees this ickle mp3 player has no less than two SMPSUs

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HeppyCat:

i just really wish my in-dash mp3 player would read dvd-r's

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onewheelskyward:

I like those DVD head units.

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Juski:

aha! the usb thing works without the battery in it so long as I connect the 5V mains adaptor, so in theory I could just linky +5v from the USB socket to the power socket :)

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** Juski looks for the USB bus pinouts **

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kormoc:

Juski, just keep in mind there's a max draw of a few ma off of the usb port, and if you attempt to pull too much, it might burn out

[18:35:37]

Juski:

500mA actually :)

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kormoc:

heh, right, EE guy :P

[18:35:55]

Juski:

I think the microdrive should be way under that

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Juski:

well if all else fails it's not beyond me to make a 5v adapter for the car

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Juski:

use the switched output from the head unit to supply it

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gardengnome:

100mA afaik if the device doesn't announce it needs more power.

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Juski:

100mA might even be enough

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Juski:

mmm wish I had some kynar wire

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** Juski finds a sacrificial hub before doing this dodgy op **

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Juski:

whee!

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Juski:

I have "the knack" ;)

[18:53:35]

Juski:

well, something has to make up for all the social ineptitude

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Juski:

have to say though – I'm never gonna solder anything onto an 0402 capacitor with my eighth-inch bit again!

[19:12:26]

Juski:

t r i c k y

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t0ny-p40:

Juski, ever solder with a lighter?

[19:13:44]

Juski:

t0ny-p40: yeah, in a sweaty nightclub, with a screwdriver

[19:13:53]

t0ny-p40:

lol

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Juski:

I've lived ;)

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kormoc:

nothin gets the chicks like building a radio on the dance floor...

[19:14:30]

t0ny-p40:

Ever use that proheat soldering iron? That istant one?

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Juski:

I was the antithesis to almost every dj I've met – I went around repairing the gear

[19:14:41]

t0ny-p40:

I would take the lighter frist.

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Juski:

never got to re-cone a speaker though – always been interested to know how that's done

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kormoc:

Juski, http://www.musicianshotline.com/archive/tech/reconing.htm

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Juski:

duh! JFGI :)

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kormoc:

well, I've found that is a really really well written thing bout it all

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t0ny-p40:

Omg that scared me, mythtv said I had no recordings then I did a ls /myth and it hung

[19:20:56]

t0ny-p40:

I rebooted and all is well :)

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Juski:

kormoc: nifty, thanks :)

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markit:

hi, have you seen the LinuxMCE distro with mythtv "on steroids"? http://linuxmce.com/

[19:31:00]

markit:

anyone has tried it? is there the possibility to buy "certified" hardware? (hardare that works without troubles)

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GreyFoxx:

markit: It looks like merely a bundle of several different apps

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GreyFoxx:

can't say I've seen any official hardware list

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GreyFoxx:

I do kinda like the Gallery view on it though

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GreyFoxx:

but then I like crap like that

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Juski:

I thought every single screen was far too clutterred

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HeppyCat:

i cant seem to find any docs on using an external ir transmitter for controlling a digital cable box

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Juski:

lirc.org?

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HeppyCat:

i saw a remote control section

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HeppyCat:

but i didnt think that's what i wanted to do

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Juski:

you'd be looking for 'ir blaster' stuff then

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HeppyCat:

thought that was for using a handheld remote to control the myth box

[19:52:22]

Juski:

nah

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: I think they are cluttered,m but I like certain aspects of it. like the "zoom" image of the movie poster for the show you have highlighted. I would drop the sidebar text and center that

[19:52:32]

Juski:

ir blasters are what mythboxes use to control other gear

[19:52:48]

Juski:

GreyFoxx: yeah I like the zoomy highlight too

[19:52:54]

Juski:

plb: yeah

[19:53:21]

plb:

Juski, can it be outputted to a TV?

[19:53:25]

GreyFoxx:

One problem I find annoying that over all loading jpeg's/pngs is fscking slow using QT's QImage stuff

[19:53:53]

Juski:

plb: yes, but not through the tuner card itself – you'd want a pvr350 for that – not that you want one of those – get a nvidia card instead :)

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GreyFoxx:

and we should be caching the shrunk down images so they will only be resized once for that particular resolution, not everytime you load the video gallery

[19:54:09]

GreyFoxx:

by that I mean cache on disk, not just ram

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plb:

Juski, I have one but no s-video...only dvi hdtv connector

[19:54:27]

plb:

I think anyway

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Juski:

plb: so buy one with svideo :)

[19:54:36]

Juski:

$25 or so gets you that

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plb:

yeah I guess I will have to

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plb:

thanks

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TauPan:

hiho... My mythtv frontend has started stuttering madly when playing video :-( I can play the programs that it captured with mplayer without problems, but the internal player is burnt both for live tv and for recordings.

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: maybe (shudder) time to move away from qt to make the UI faster & nicer...

[19:55:15]

Juski:

</heresy>

[19:58:47]

Juski:

no wait, I can't have just said that. why's qt so slow at doing image things?

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: No idea, but over all I find loading and scaling images using QImage and the like are insanely slow.

[20:03:25]

GreyFoxx:

I should do some comparison tests using QImage and libjpeg

[20:03:40]

Juski:

why not just use Qpixmap?

[20:04:20]

visit0r_:

hmm better wait for the qt4 port and see how it affects things speedwise?

[20:04:38]

GreyFoxx:

Juski: I'd have to look at the rest of the code, but I'm sure we are using a mix of the two

[20:04:41]

stuarta:

first the distros need to start shipping qt4

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gardengnome:

visit0r_: when is that gonna happen?

[20:05:01]

stuarta:

gardengnome: first the distros need to start shipping qt4

[20:05:07]

visit0r_:

yep

[20:05:53]

gardengnome:

stuarta: it was a rethorical question, kind of. :)

[20:06:07]

stuarta:

well you got a proper answer :)

[20:07:10]

Juski:

!trout autoplay stupid

[20:07:10]

** MythLogBot slaps autoplay with a stupid trout on behalf of Juski... **

[20:07:16]

GreyFoxx:

Sweet I just sold my broken pvr150 to someone for $40!

[20:07:24]

GreyFoxx:

;)

[20:07:36]

t0ny-p40:

Lol really?

[20:07:43]

GreyFoxx:

no :) I was kidding :)

[20:08:10]

gardengnome:

don't trust him, he's one of the developers. ;)

[20:08:43]

TauPan:

has anyone got an idea how I can get rid of that stuttering in mythfrontend?

[20:08:56]

GreyFoxx:

Send it to speech therapy ?

[20:09:14]

TauPan:

(I was asking for that, wasn't I?)

[20:09:17]

GreyFoxx:

:)

[20:09:39]

** GreyFoxx goes homes **

[20:10:20]

TauPan:

I've found some reports that look similar to my problem, but no solution yet... and I can't remember what I did to make it appear... frontend performance was bad before, but now it's unbearable.

[20:10:31]

t0ny-p40:

With v4l2 would it be safe to use another program to grabe a frame from my capture card while mythtv is using it

[20:10:49]

t0ny-p40:

?

[20:10:50]

TauPan:

safe yes, but it would not work

[20:11:23]

TauPan:

afaik

[20:11:28]

t0ny-p40:

I thought v4l2 will let two programs access one card at the same timme

[20:13:23]

Juski:

nah

[20:13:31]

Juski:

it's the kernel that won't let you do that

[20:13:31]

TauPan:

I tried starting tvtime whilel the backend was capturing... all I got was a blue frame.

[20:13:42]

Juski:

device locks & stuff

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Juski:

</talking out of hat mode>

[20:15:01]

TauPan:

yeah, same here

[20:15:27]

stuarta:

s/hat/arse

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stuarta:

:)

[20:15:38]

Juski:

haha

[20:16:01]

Juski:

sorry I'm still in smug mode for getting my usb hdd to be bus powered

[20:16:20]

stuarta:

nice

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Juski:

soldering onto 0402 components without a fine bit or 'scope is damn tricky

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kslater:

Juski – 0402?

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Juski:

yeah they're like 1.5mm across or something

[20:18:04]

Juski:

blimmin tiny

[20:19:17]

Juski:

ahh.. I was wrong.. (1.0 mm x 0.5 mm)

[20:19:59]

** Juski cries **

[20:20:34]

NightMonkey:

Howdy. I used to use this site for their MythTV hardware DB: http://pvrhw.goldfish.org/tiki-pvrhwdb.php . It seems a bit stale now. Is there a better site out there now for this sort of thing?

[20:20:45]

Juski:

I might've quit my job before they start using that size at work though

[20:20:58]

Juski:

NightMonkey: the mythtv wiki is good if you want safe bets

[20:21:27]

NightMonkey:

Juski: Great. I may need to make a new frontend soonish, so I'll check it out.

[20:21:35]

NightMonkey:

Juski: Thanks.

[20:21:55]

Juski:

ah I thought you were after tuner card recommendations

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visi:

Juski, does it draw enough power to power the hdd? I thought USB had some limits on power you could draw?

[20:30:35]

gardengnome:

<deja vu> ;)

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visi:

yeah lol im scrolling up

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Juski:

aye it's only a diddy lickle microdrive :)

[20:33:53]

visi:

ah yeah i have 128mb one of those, it's an ATA one though

[20:34:13]

TauPan:

Ah, that looks interesting http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2512

[20:34:14]

Juski:

whee my home-made spdif out on my MD recorder still works

[20:34:29]

Zider:

visi: USB has a 500mA limit

[20:35:15]

Juski:

those microdrives don't take much current

[20:35:39]

Zider:

a 2,5"-drive can be powered with USB, so a microdrive is no problem

[20:35:53]

Juski:

if you can run a laptop drive on USB, a microdrive would be no hassle at all

[20:35:58]

Juski:

snap!

[20:36:02]

NightMonkey:

Really dumb question: Can Hauppauge cards be used with PCI-X?

[20:36:03]

visi:

cool

[20:36:20]

NightMonkey:

(PVR-x50)

[20:36:23]

Juski:

NightMonkey: AFAIK there's no pci=x hauppauge card

[20:36:26]

Zider:

NightMonkey: if it's a PCI-X card, yes ;)

[20:36:48]

Zider:

I haven't even seen PCIe-cards

[20:37:00]

Zider:

so I doubt there are PCI-X-cards

[20:37:11]

Juski:

there are a few pci-e tuners now, still not supported in linux AFAIK

[20:37:21]

Zider:

Juski: from hauppauge?

[20:37:25]

Juski:

nah

[20:38:02]

NightMonkey:

The Shuttle systems I'm looking at are all PCI-X. :/

[20:38:16]

Zider:

I thought PCI-X was mostly for dservers

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** Juski wonders if the 'magic' involves a hacksaw :-P **

[20:38:49]

Juski:

Enoextraslot!

[20:38:54]

Zider:

PCIe sounds more likely..

[20:39:30]

Juski:

regular 32-bit PCI is gonna be around for a while yet

[20:39:41]

Zider:

yeah

[20:39:44]

Juski:

NightMonkey: you might want to consider NOT considering the Shuttle systems then :)

[20:40:09]

NightMonkey:

Zider: Yes, my bad! PCIe.

[20:40:20]

ASiDiE:

quick question... what does mythtv use for a backend databas?

[20:40:23]

ASiDiE:

database?

[20:40:25]

Juski:

besides they've usually got bad naughty things like _front_ spdif on them

[20:40:33]

Juski:

ASiDiE: as the docs say, MYSQL

[20:40:48]

ASiDiE:

sorry.. not using it.. just something from it

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Zider:

NightMonkey: thought so

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ASiDiE:

thanks

[20:41:09]

Juski:

ASiDiE: what you up to?

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visi:

I wonder if Cablecards are ever going to work in linux, mythtv even?

[20:44:56]

Juski:

visi: I doubt it

[20:45:17]

Juski:

welcome to the digital utopia my friend

[20:45:50]

Juski:

"we can't trust linux, it's all open for everybody to see, so someone could hack it"

[20:46:10]

visi:

heh I think it will still get hacked no matter what

[20:46:26]

Juski:

yeah but now they've got the DMCA to back em up

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visi:

true but there are efforts to change the DMCA

[20:47:10]

Juski:

oo like bringing back fair use?

[20:47:12]

visi:

especially the circuimvention provision

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visi:

yes

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Juski:

then maybe, just maybe... :)

[20:50:15]

visi:

yeah it sucks having multiple boxes just to record

[20:50:41]

Juski:

it'd suck more to be stuck with MCE though

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Juski:

bout time I immortalised some bar DJing minidiscs

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onewheelskyward:

My MD toting friend would be proud.

[20:57:34]

Juski:

I use to love MD – it just never became as big as I'd hoped

[20:57:50]

onewheelskyward:

People have size issues.

[20:58:03]

Juski:

oh for its day it was amazing

[20:58:07]

Zider:

MD was a nice format

[20:58:13]

Zider:

I kinda miss my player

[20:58:26]

Juski:

I mean back in 1995, a recordable, editable digital disc?

[20:58:33]

Zider:

but now I have both mp3 player and gp2x, so screw MD ;)

[20:58:35]

Juski:

twas fantastic

[20:58:56]

Juski:

ever heard of dataplay? that was another great white nothing

[20:59:05]

Zider:

never heard of

[20:59:25]

Juski:

http://www.dataplay.com/

[21:00:32]

Juski:

a few years ago it was being touted as the 'next big thing'

[21:00:38]

onewheelskyward:

500mb? In 2005?

[21:01:45]

onewheelskyward:

I think they might have spent more time on marketing the colors than product development.

[21:02:51]

Juski:

I remember paying the best part of a month's wages on an MD walkman in 1994/5

[21:03:10]

Juski:

now you can buy recording usb sticks for pocket money

[21:03:19]

Juski:

eee, them wa tha days

[21:03:19]

onewheelskyward:

Yep. Amazing.

[21:03:54]

onewheelskyward:

There's a lot of money to be had in data organization.

[21:03:55]

TauPan:

oh... http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2512 indeed contained a tip that fixed the stuttering

[21:04:16]

TauPan:

I've disabled all "sync to blank" options in nvidia-settings and that's it, apparently

[21:08:26]

Juski:

TauPan: nice :)

[21:08:46]

TauPan:

Hm, it seems that tracker is quite resourceful... unfrotunately google doesn't find it... maybe someone should make a more permissive robots.txt?

[21:09:00]

TauPan:

(unfrothunatelee?)

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harzi:

TauPan: where did you change this nvidia settings? in xorg.conf? i have the same problem...

[21:09:11]

TauPan:

nvidia-settings

[21:09:15]

TauPan:

it's a program

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harzi:

TauPan: ah, i see

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Juski:

anyway.. b.b.b.b.bedtime

[21:18:04]

Juski:

g'night all

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gardengnome:

i love how juski hates us.

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TauPan:

does anybody know by chance how to make mythtv behave with jacklib output?

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t0ny-p40:

run mythsetup

[21:41:06]

t0ny-p40:

I think it is in general

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ctj2:

I tried that. I'll look again.

[21:42:02]

chuck:

anyone using reiserFS on their myth box?

[21:42:12]

t0ny-p40:

I am

[21:42:23]

chuck:

whats the advantage of that? its good for lots of small files right?

[21:43:04]

t0ny-p40:

I use it with lvm2, because it is good at online growing

[21:43:23]

chuck:

not sure what that is.... so i probably am not doing it =)

[21:44:11]

t0ny-p40:

using fedora?

[21:44:17]

chuck:

ubuntu edgy

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adante:

lvm is a volume manager, reiserfs is a filesystem, the two aren't directly comparable

[21:44:30]

adante:

chuck: i'm using reiser

[21:44:58]

chuck:

adante: what do you use it for? (i've got a new 300 GB hard drive and want am researching partition scheme options. I see reiser come up quite a bit)

[21:44:59]

adante:

actually now that i think of it, also using lvm :]

[21:45:40]

ctj2:

t0ny-p40: Thank you. The problem was that the slave backend underwent some name changes as things got upgraded. I had to get the unique identifier placed correctly in all of the mysql.txt files and then run mythtv-setup to get it to stick. Thank again.

[21:45:41]

t0ny-p40:

I love being able to add more space to my myth recording partion without even umounting it or stopping recording :)

[21:45:57]

t0ny-p40:

ctj2, np

[21:46:11]

adante:

chuck: my box acts as a general fileserver, myth, and downloading

[21:46:40]

adante:

couldn't really say it's any better/worse than alternatives though, it's all i've used on the box

[21:46:45]

chuck:

okay... i plan on using mine as a mythbackend/frontend combo, also file server for music and stuff

[21:46:55]

adante:

but 'it does the job'

[21:46:59]

chuck:

heh yeah

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ctj2:

t0ny-p40: *nod nods* I've added a 500gb drive to the hdtv backend and 250GB to the SDTV slavebackend. I did have to turn the computer on for the install but it was easy to extend volumns and then the filesystem.

[21:47:17]

chuck:

it seems to me that xfs is generally accepted as the best for myth recordings?

[21:47:28]

ctj2:

hardest part of using lvm from the command line is getting the right units

[21:47:38]

chuck:

hmm

[21:48:07]

adante:

noo idea i'm afraid

[21:48:09]

t0ny-p40:

ctj2, -L1G?

[21:48:11]

onewheelskyward:

I've heard xfs is good for quick deletes, and reiser is best at lots of small files.

[21:48:27]

t0ny-p40:

its it possible to tell the frontend that I changed the lircrc without restarting it?

[21:48:38]

chuck:

yeah, that's what i see too. lots of small files would probably be like photos/mp3s?

[21:48:40]

harzi:

TauPan: ah, no flickering when moving banners

[21:49:10]

ctj2:

the only real problem with extent filesystems is if you have two write processes happening at the same time. Instead of the very effient increament the size parameter of the inode, it has to get a new extent. If you do this enough time, and mutliple processes writing at the same time can cause it. The amount of time to search the extents becomes to much of a factor.

[21:49:29]

onewheelskyward:

chuck: Nah I was thinking lots of small text sized files. photos and music aren't that small. :)

[21:49:30]

t0ny-p40:

chuck, to a file system a small file would be like 1kb

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ctj2:

t0ny-p40: I was trying to use the physical units. I said -L####p and it said "You don't have that many petabytes available"

[21:49:55]

t0ny-p40:

lol

[21:50:11]

onewheelskyward:

When it gets to Yottabytes, sell.

[21:50:16]

chuck:

lol

[21:50:42]

chuck:

k i think i'll skip reiser then. i'll go with xfs. thanks guys

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ctj2:

t0ny-p40: the fact that I have more than 3TB of spinning disk in the house just boggles my mind. I paid $500 US for my first hard drive 105MBs. I spent 10K for the first drive I had purchased by company, for 10MB.

[21:52:07]

hjohnson:

ctj2: I can remember when I got my first computer... it had a 20MB hard disk in it, and I never ever ran out of disk space.

[21:52:09]

onewheelskyward:

I can't believe I have as much offline backup storage as I have online storage.

[21:52:15]

t0ny-p40:

ctj2, My first computer had two 80mb drives :)

[21:52:28]

hjohnson:

now I think nothing of downloading 280MB files

[21:52:33]

onewheelskyward:

I used to comb my 20mb drive for system text files to delete, because I used to run out of space all the time. :)

[21:52:39]

onewheelskyward:

Stacker to the rescue!

[21:52:51]

hjohnson:

:D

[21:52:55]

hjohnson:

or doublespace. ;)

[21:52:56]

t0ny-p40:

haha my camera can output 12mb files :)

[21:53:04]

hjohnson:

t0ny-p40: same

[21:53:10]

ctj2:

t0ny-p40: the first computer I bought had NO disk storage. But it had almost 10K of drum memory. and a paper tape reader and writer for "long term storage"

[21:53:14]

hjohnson:

of course, I need to buy a new lens for those 12MB files ot be worthwhile.

[21:53:40]

hjohnson:

ctj2: well, the beauty of it is that paper really is long term storage.

[21:53:42]

t0ny-p40:

I dont use raw much, jpeg is good for me

[21:53:50]

onewheelskyward:

I once deleted my stacker.vol file and then tried to copy the files from the stacked volume onto the newly freed disk space. It was going really well until Stacker had to read from disk instead of memory. :)

[21:54:09]

hjohnson:

in some respects though... I wonder if we'll be the first generation who's history won't be preserved as well as it could have been.

[21:54:31]

onewheelskyward:

As opposed to all of those generations before the written word?

[21:54:43]

hjohnson:

onewheelskyward: as compared to the previous century

[21:54:48]

hjohnson:

and before that.

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gardengnome:

hjohnson: do we actually deserve it? user-generated content tends to suck :)

[21:55:14]

ctj2:

hjohnson: Somewhere in this house I have a 2400ft reel of 6250bpi. It has everything that was in my directories when I left university. And for the "important stuff" I took three boxes of punched cards.

[21:55:19]

t0ny-p40:

gardengnome, 0.01% does not suck!

[21:55:22]

hjohnson:

good quality paper can last centuries, if some basic care is taken...

[21:55:25]

t0ny-p40:

of it*

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gardengnome:

t0ny-p40: oh, awesome! (shoot me now.)

[21:55:39]

gardengnome:

;)

[21:55:42]

visi:

rm -rf /gen-x-history/

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hjohnson:

where as on the other hand, a CDR will last maybe a decade before it suffers bitrot

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onewheelskyward:

Hmmm...I think that which needs to be detailed and stored, will be.

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onewheelskyward:

I mean, you can search NYTimes articles back into the 1800's.

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hjohnson:

onewheelskyward: except that you never know what that will be until far into the future.

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t0ny-p40:

computer storage of data in some ways scares me

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ctj2:

hjohnson: We are already dealing with the problem of how do we preserve our documents. It is hard to get people to think about how easy it is to build an edison cylindar reader/player and how much technology it takes to read a CDROM

[21:56:50]

t0ny-p40:

thinking about how easy a hdd can break

[21:57:01]

t0ny-p40:

or how easy I can screw it up

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hjohnson:

ctj2: it's hard for people to realize how effective a storage system books are.

[21:57:20]

onewheelskyward:

heh.

[21:57:33]

onewheelskyward:

And how useful the information is, since a lot of work goes into writing a book.

[21:57:41]

onewheelskyward:

I don't think we need most of what gets written to CDRoms.

[21:57:44]

visi:

anything I can't remember is not worth remembering

[21:58:09]

ctj2:

hjohnson: And they are very effienent for skimming as compared to scanning. I just got done killing a tree so I can read the W3C specs on schema and xslt

[21:58:11]

hjohnson:

and the additional issue is obscelescence of the medium..

[21:58:42]

onewheelskyward:

Floppy discs are a good example of that.

[21:58:47]

hjohnson:

I heard some of the stories on what Google went through to fill out the usenet archives from the days of yore....

[21:58:50]

onewheelskyward:

They're in the smithsonian already.

[21:58:54]

ctj2:

We had to recover a 7track tape in the late 90's. We ended up sending the tape to a data recovery company.

[21:59:17]

hjohnson:

all the video content on quadruplex tape.

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hjohnson:

there are only two known working machines on the planet now.

[21:59:49]

hjohnson:

and magnetic tape degrades (though quite predictably)

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hjohnson:

I worked on a project to digitize and preserve "The World Soundscape Project"...

[22:00:29]

hjohnson:

picture a whole room of 12" reels of 1/4" tape...

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ctj2:

The same thing happened when they went to recover some of the early RCA sound recordings. Some where recorded on some sort of tape drive that they stopped making around 1950. They had to get one out of a museam. They found some old geezer to come make it work again. They paid 3m to make media for it to test.

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ctj2:

Then finally they set up a distribution system to record the play back to four or five different recording devices because the tape was shedding its oxide as they played back the masters. They had to run with a vacum clear to keep the oxide clear of the machine

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chuck:

d'oh..... my mythtv user on this ubuntu box can't access the DVD drive. anyone know what permissions i'd have to check? i don't think i made that user correctly

[22:02:28]

onewheelskyward:

dvd/dvdrw/cdrom/cdr group?

[22:02:49]

chuck:

not sure how i'd check that

[22:03:25]

onewheelskyward:

From a command line, does 'groups' display your current groups?

[22:03:42]

onewheelskyward:

:)

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chuck:

so this user is good. he's in cdrom. let me check the other

[22:04:52]

chuck:

wow that guy isn't in much of anything. he's in mythtv audio video

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chuck:

i suppose i'll find the answer to my next question in the man page =D

[22:05:19]

onewheelskyward:

How to add it?

[22:05:24]

chuck:

yup

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onewheelskyward:

I used gpasswd -a user group but I'm gentoo.

[22:05:33]

onewheelskyward:

You can edit group manually.

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chuck:

ooo gentoo

[22:06:01]

chuck:

i've been meaning to play around with that after i get this box up and running properly

[22:06:18]

onewheelskyward:

I tried Ubuntu after gentoo... I went back to Gentoo. :)

[22:06:21]

chuck:

maybe i can edit this /etc/group file?

[22:06:32]

onewheelskyward:

Yes, you can.

[22:06:33]

chuck:

cdrom:x:24:haldaemon,chuck add mythtv to that maybe?

[22:06:42]

onewheelskyward:

Yeah.

[22:06:45]

onewheelskyward:

Then logout/login.

[22:06:46]

chuck:

nice

[22:06:50]

chuck:

let me give that a try

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TauPan:

harzi: moving banners?

[22:08:05]

chuck:

wonder what the plugdev group is for

[22:09:01]

onewheelskyward:

USB devices and such.

[22:09:09]

onewheelskyward:

Things that get plugged in, and added to your device list.

[22:09:21]

onewheelskyward:

external HD's, cameras, flash drives, etc.

[22:10:19]

hads:

To be pedantic, you should use vigr rather than just editing /etc/group

[22:10:48]

chuck:

i don't know what pedantic means. and i don't know what vigr is

[22:11:01]

chuck:

the mythtv user also has a weird shell too. i can't up arrow with him, or tab complete

[22:11:09]

onewheelskyward:

vi = editor gr = group

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gardengnome:

you need to learn english, then ;)

[22:11:24]

chuck:

heh heh

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onewheelskyward:

chuck: Check out your shell in /etc/passwd.

[22:11:37]

onewheelskyward:

Change to bash.

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hads:

vipw :)

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onewheelskyward:

vippew?

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chuck:

oh he's got sh, but i've got bash on this one

[22:11:57]

chuck:

cool deal

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hads:

Yeah, sh isn't as much fun

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** hads tries to get back to work **

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onewheelskyward:

It's a lot of fun to get people to pronounce acronyms like TCL.

[22:13:18]

hads:

One of my favourites is VoIP :)

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ctj2:

hads: doesn't that come out sort of like voice over IP?

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chuck:

sweet dvd works now after editing the groups file

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chuck:

i just updated the shell preference, lets see that now....

[22:14:48]

hads:

ctj2: Or voyeep or voooip, you'd be amazed how many ways people try and say it.

[22:15:19]

ctj2:

*grin* well, I've got to get back to reading fun fun XML documentation. Thanks for the help folks.

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onewheelskyward:

voyp

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onewheelskyward:

Or maybe 'That new fangled electric phone thingy.'

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hads:

Or just 'Huh?'

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gardengnome:

pronounce it "get a life" :)

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chuck:

awesome.... new shell works as well. thanks a bunch

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chuck:

great. even the actual mythtv application can use the dvd player. though it can't connect to the transcode daemon to rip a DVD. not sure what that's all about

[22:27:01]

onewheelskyward:

Have you logged out and logged in and restarted any processes owned by the mythtv user?

[22:27:18]

onewheelskyward:

Like, say, mythbackend, for example?

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chuck:

i did log out, and i assume that killed mythbackend

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chuck:

i think maybe something i did screwed up the transcode application

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chuck:

something i did earlier. i screwed around a lot trying to figure out the encrypted dvd playback deal

[22:34:16]

onewheelskyward:

mythbackend usually runs as a service, not a user-level app.

[22:34:40]

TauPan:

on windows?

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onewheelskyward:

nope. On Linux.

[22:35:15]

TauPan:

use correct terminology please, you mean a daemon

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TauPan:

there is no "service" under linux, that's a windows term

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chuck:

lol what a smart ass

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TauPan:

and it's still a userlevel app, no matter which privileges it has

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gardengnome:

no

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gardengnome:

he's right. :)

[22:36:03]

chuck:

he is

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onewheelskyward:

That's why people are here to correct me. :)

[22:36:19]

chuck:

heh heh

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gardengnome:

no, seriously. it gets quite confusing when you're not using the correct terminology – i'm sure it wasn't meant to be an offense :)

[22:36:51]

TauPan:

no of course it wasn't

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TauPan:

:)

[22:37:03]

chuck:

haha ok yeah, it could get confusing

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TauPan:

just had no time to type in "excuse me if I interrupt, but I think that..."

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onewheelskyward:

What I meant to say was that mythbackend most likely wouldn't run within your shell, so it would probably still have the old user permissions.

[22:37:39]

TauPan:

(yup)

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chuck:

ok

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onewheelskyward:

No problem TauPan. It's tough straddling both worlds. :) I appreciate the correction.

[22:38:08]

chuck:

i still think i broke it by removing libdvdread or something

[22:38:18]

chuck:

it looked like it removed an awful lot of stuff it shouldn't have

[22:38:32]

onewheelskyward:

There is that. Package management can be a nightmare.

[22:38:40]

chuck:

yeah

[22:38:56]

chuck:

i kinda like the learning experience

[22:39:48]

chuck:

http://pastebin.ca/412752

[22:39:55]

chuck:

i don't think i should have pressed y to that =|

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onewheelskyward:

Of course, the funny part about all of this is that redhat uses a 'service' command to control daemons. :)

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chuck:

that's odd

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TauPan:

onewheelskyward: oh... I didn't know that :)

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dunstabulos_:

is the radiotimes xmltv service down?

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onewheelskyward:

chuck: It looks like you removed a bunch of stuff that you'd want to put back.

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chuck:

haha yeah it does =D

[22:41:26]

chuck:

i was about ready to reinstall before that anyway. doesn't bother me so much

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onewheelskyward:

I envy your attitude. :)

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markit:

GreyFoxx: look at the video with the comparison with M$crap

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chuck:

hmmm.... just thought of something else. I wonder if I should go without KDE in favor of something lighter for my dedicated myth box

[22:47:09]

chuck:

are there significant performance gains by using something like ratpoison over KDE? (i'll be running on ahtlon 1900+, 512 MB ram, SDTV)

[22:47:34]

Zider:

less bloat

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Zider:

I like fluxbox myself

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chuck:

right, that'd be the point.... but how much less?

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onewheelskyward:

What the heck is ratpoison? WM?

[22:48:25]

chuck:

yeah

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hads:

Yeah, nifty little one

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Zider:

well, I dunno how slim you might be able to get KDE.. but probably still a lot :P

[22:48:30]

chuck:

i've used fluxbox too

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chuck:

i liked it

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hads:

onewheelskyward: If you use screen, then you'll like ratpoison

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onewheelskyward:

I love screen.

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hads:

I don't run a window manager on my myth boxes myself.

[22:49:21]

chuck:

really? that's pretty cool

[22:49:34]

hads:

onewheelskyward: Cool. ratpoison is the same just replace ^A with ^T :)

[22:49:43]

onewheelskyward:

Dear lord.

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onewheelskyward:

I must try that.

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onewheelskyward:

chuck: gnome processes account for about 2% of 2 gigs of RAM on my box, according to htop.

[22:50:15]

Zider:

hads: a wm is nice if you use external players that gives you problems with input focus and stuff

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chuck:

onewheelskyward: any CPU drawbacks to gnome or kde?

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hads:

Zider: True, but with the brilliant Internal player now there isn't much need

[22:50:47]

onewheelskyward:

Yeah, they use CPU to track all of that memory. :)

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chuck:

haha

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Zider:

hads: well, I never really liked the jump fwd/back controls of the internal player.. I prefer mplayer..

[22:51:16]

Zider:

onewheelskyward: isn't that MMU? :P

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onewheelskyward:

I have about 7 gnome processes running. If you were running a simpler wm, it would probably only be one.

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hads:

Zider: Fair enough, that's why we have choice :)

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Zider:

hads: yep ;)

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onewheelskyward:

Zider: Well it's got to go back to the software sometime. :)

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Zider:

chuck: just get ratpoison or fluxbox, there's no point in running anything heavier

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chuck:

yeah, but will the installation of the nvidia drivers be different? does video out work the same way? anything else go crazy?

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Zider:

that has nothing to do with the WM

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chuck:

good =)

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Zider:

X is X, regardless of WMs

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chuck:

i'm on a test box now. i think i'll try fluxbox again. i have it on another computer

[22:54:56]

chuck:

okay cool.... didn't know where the line is drawn there

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Zider:

a WM is basically just another program, that manages where other programs places their windows..

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** onewheelskyward emerges ratpoison **

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chuck:

there's nothing wrong with installing KDE, then installing fluxbox later right? I can still boot the computer, start fluxbox and not have KDE running, right?

[22:55:45]

onewheelskyward:

WM is the seat cover, whereas X is the car.

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chuck:

ok

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Zider:

chuck: exactly

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chuck:

sweet

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chuck:

i like this

[22:56:10]

onewheelskyward:

Yeah you can swap them out willy nilly.

[22:56:15]

chuck:

heh heh

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gardengnome:

and the gas is made by finnish communists in iraq.

[22:56:22]

Zider:

you still need QT for mythtv tho

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Zider:

which is part of kde, if I'm not mistaken

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chuck:

i have no idea what QT is. i've never heard of it

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Zider:

but that doesn't affect which WM you run

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chuck:

ok

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chuck:

i'll just sit here and pray that i won't screw that part up

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Zider:

chuck: it's a graphical interface system, like GTK and stuff..

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** onewheelskyward wonders why ratpoison has an emacs use flag. **

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Zider:

ask them? ;)

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Zider:

anyhoo.. I'm off to a more horizontal position

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chuck:

thanks for your help

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chuck:

i'm going biking

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onewheelskyward:

Aah. It has a prefix map that stomps on emacs keystrokes.

[22:59:03]

onewheelskyward:

Have a good ride!

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immolo:

anyone have an idea why something my saa7134 based card loads fine and others it can't detect it at all but lspci always picks it up

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roger55:

immolo, something or sometimes?

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immolo:

sometimes :P

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roger55:

lspci shows what hardware there is in your box.

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immolo:

yeah

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roger55:

immolo, maybe you need to explicitlz pass card= to the module on load

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roger55:

argh y/z keyboard madness

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immolo:

I'm doing that

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immolo:

sometimes it just boots up and works fine

[23:12:37]

immolo:

other times it just seems the card is dead

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roger55:

immolo, mine always works, might be some interrupt conflict – I don't know. you could check /proc/interrupts when it works and when not. (just an idea)

[23:14:04]

immolo:

roger55- good idea

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immolo:

well I need to reboot my server to see if it works

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immolo:

roger55- can I ask what kernel you are running

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immolo:

version that is

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roger55:

immolo, 2.6.20-gentoo-r3

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roger55:

immolo, it used to work with 2.6.19 and earlier kernels as well for me, but I have just started using it more again since I switched to 2.6.20, but that doesn't have any relevance.

[23:30:07]

immolo:

well it worked with 2.6.15

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immolo:

but .18 is having issues

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immolo:

I'm building a .19 now seeings as that is the current stable

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Ediehow:

please, why is it when i use mytharchive in mythfrontend, unlike anything else in mythfrontend, it starts slowing down my system tremendously

[23:39:53]

Ediehow:

and i am talking about simply navigating through the menus, not the actual encoding or reencoding

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Ediehow:

as soon as i go to optical disk, archive files

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Ediehow:

from that point

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Ediehow:

cpu usage and user memory shoots up

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Ediehow:

user memory is nearly maxed out

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ectospasm:

how powerful is the frontend box?

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t0ny-p40:

Sweet, Linux is running on the xbox 360 now.

[23:44:59]

t0ny-p40:

That would make a kickass frontend

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Ediehow:

core duo. everything else works fine, it's ONLY mytharchive menus

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Ediehow:

1gb memory

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Ediehow:

nothing else in myth does t his

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Ediehow:

right now i'm at 90% of user memory according to gnome-system-monitor

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ectospasm:

probably a bug in mytharchive I would imagine

[23:45:34]

Ediehow:

i was at 30% in another menu

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ectospasm:

what does top say?

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Ediehow:

ectospasm: that's what i think, but i've posted and no one responds:(

[23:45:48]

ectospasm:

can you run top from a shell?

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Ediehow:

24936 root 15 0 532m 440m 6932 S 0 43.7 1:06.09 Xorg

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Ediehow:

Mem: 1031432k total, 1005528k used, 25904k free, 2936k buffers

[23:46:42]

Ediehow:

Swap: 313228k total, 301092k used, 12136k free, 89436k cached

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Ediehow:

ectospasm: shouldn't gnome-system-monitor report the same?

[23:49:16]

Ediehow:

it seems to be a memory hole as opposed to cpu

[23:49:33]

Ediehow:

mythfrontend is currently using 309mb

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dunstabulos_:

t0ny-p40: link?

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ectospasm:

I don't use gnome-system-monitor, so I don't know how capable it is. I do have it, lemme look

[23:52:41]

ectospasm:

looks like it should work, but I don't see the window updating...

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Ediehow:

look in second tab

[23:53:00]

Ediehow:

when i got to that part of menus, memory usage shot up

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Ediehow:

user memory

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ectospasm:

pretty graphs don't mean much. You need to see if a particular program is causing the spike, and if the spike has any appreciable duration

[23:54:50]

ectospasm:

bbl

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Ediehow:

yeah, like i said, mythfrontend

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Ediehow:

i told you it was causing memory usage to shoot up

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Ediehow:

but it happens when i go into those menus

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t0ny-p40:

dunstabulos_, one second

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t0ny-p40:

dunstabulos_, http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=15411

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t0ny-p40:

I'm tempted to get one now but I refuse to buy any microsoft products.

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