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Monday, March 26th, 2007, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:04] cesman: setting up a remote frontend isn't that difficult
[00:00:13] cesman: mysql?
[00:00:33] ubuntuEdgy: i used to have a combined front end backend , that makes it hard
[00:00:43] kslater: not really
[00:00:52] ubuntuEdgy: cesman: i cqan connect to mysql
[00:00:55] kslater: it may have masked problems you had with your setup
[00:01:20] TSCHAK: wow... mytharchive is AWESOME
[00:01:21] kslater: the remote frontend connects to mysql to find the master backend ip address, I think.
[00:01:21] TSCHAK: :-D
[00:01:45] ubuntuEdgy: kslater:you are right its the back end
[00:01:47] pac1: ubuntuEdgy, let's pick up where we left off.
[00:02:05] ** cesman wonders if next release will be goofy goat... **
[00:02:07] ubuntuEdgy: ok lets do it bro
[00:02:25] ubuntuEdgy: yeh
[00:02:38] pac1: is it running?
[00:03:00] ubuntuEdgy: yes its running @media-server:~$ ps -p `cat /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend.pid`
[00:03:00] ubuntuEdgy: PID TTY TIME CMD
[00:03:00] ubuntuEdgy: 10776 ? 00:08:08 mythbackend
[00:03:08] pac1: great.
[00:03:14] ubuntuEdgy: :)
[00:03:17] pac1: its running. now you have to be able to connect to it.
[00:03:22] ubuntuEdgy: ok
[00:03:31] pac1: hang on 1 min.
[00:03:47] ubuntuEdgy: ok
[00:04:33] pac1: type man services and read the file to learn about services that run on your machine. mythbackend is a service.
[00:05:23] ubuntuEdgy: pac1: there is one thing i have not told you
[00:05:40] pac1: tell all!
[00:06:02] ubuntuEdgy: i used to have a back end front end combination
[00:06:17] pac1: and it worked fine right?
[00:06:19] ubuntuEdgy: now i have moved the backend to nother machine
[00:06:30] ubuntuEdgy: yeh it did
[00:06:47] pac1: If you got that far you're doing great.
[00:06:53] ubuntuEdgy: but i have also not removed the backend fron the new front end
[00:06:58] ubuntuEdgy: make sense ?
[00:07:03] pac1: I'm running on a single box at the moment myself.
[00:07:09] ubuntuEdgy: ahhhh
[00:07:13] pac1: yes. If you run the frontend there it will still work.
[00:07:19] ubuntuEdgy: it runs good huh?
[00:07:31] pac1: as good as can be expected....
[00:07:48] pac1: pentium III 667 with 768mb mem
[00:07:50] grantt: Hey guys. Does anyone have experience with running an Xbox as a frontend? I'm strugging with mine right now.
[00:07:54] pac1: pvr 250
[00:08:02] pac1: er... 150.
[00:08:04] ubuntuEdgy: but i still have the backend on the front end even thou i have got a new box for the backend
[00:08:14] ubuntuEdgy: also i have stoped it thou
[00:08:36] ubuntuEdgy: make sence
[00:08:48] ubuntuEdgy: sense?
[00:08:49] pac1: oh. I see. so the backend is an entirely new box. and you're using the old frontend backend as the frontend.
[00:09:01] ubuntuEdgy: yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
[00:09:08] ubuntuEdgy: lol
[00:09:45] ubuntuEdgy: so do i have to remove the old backedn , even thou i have stoped it ?
[00:10:13] ubuntuEdgy: exactly
[00:10:21] ubuntuEdgy: i have not set it up correctly
[00:10:33] pac1: Its been a while, but I think there's something you have to set in one of the /etc files to allow the connections to occur.
[00:10:33] ubuntuEdgy: i only configured mythv cards
[00:11:08] ubuntuEdgy: i also remeber to uncoment this bind-address= 127.0.0.1
[00:11:46] ubuntuEdgy: "Look for the line that reads: bind-address= 127.0.0.1 and comment out that line by placing a # at the beginning. "
[00:12:04] ubuntuEdgy: make sense ?
[00:13:28] pac1: ah the old one. you need to change that to connect to the new one.
[00:14:02] pac1: where are you configuring this?
[00:14:15] ubuntuEdgy: but i will give it another try
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[00:14:41] pac1: have you tried stopping the frontend and restarting it after changing the address?
[00:14:57] pac1: at one point your pastebin entry indicated you had it pointed right.
[00:15:20] ubuntuEdgy: pac1:front end Setup->General->Host name
[00:15:44] ubuntuEdgy: i have not done that i will do it now ,good idea
[00:16:35] dhr: How can I record a program from a source without a channel? I have a PVR150-like tuner with sgnal coming in the s-video input. No channel selection method. But I cannot get myth to accept a recording request for it. Any suggestions?
[00:17:10] pac1: dhr. haven't tried that yet. No idea at this point.
[00:17:39] pac1: Anyone know if connections to a backend server need to be allowed somewhere?
[00:18:52] ubuntuEdgy: still cannot connect to the master backend server
[00:19:15] ubuntuEdgy: the problem defore is with the backend
[00:20:08] dhr: ubuntuEdgy: you can check if the backend is listening using the netstat command. Read the manpage.
[00:21:11] pac1: dhr, doesn't he need an entry in /etc/services? or is that just for ports under 1024?
[00:21:53] dhr: /etc/services is not needed.
[00:22:08] pac1: ok thought that was what was needed.
[00:22:23] pac1: what's happening to his connection to the server then?
[00:23:02] dhr: If he were to refer to a port number by name, /etc/services would be used to do the mapping. But he isn't.
[00:24:03] dhr: networking has many cooks. I can imagine firewall or tcpwrappers getting in the way. But most likely the backend isn't actually listening. use netstat to find out.
[00:24:51] pac1: how about /etc/hosts.allow?
[00:24:52] dhr: for example, "netstat --inet" (on the server)
[00:25:04] ubuntuEdgy: netstat dose not make sence to me it show me were thing are connected what should i be looking for ?
[00:25:20] ubuntuEdgy: ohh on the server ok
[00:27:04] dhr: /etc/hosts.allow is tcpwrappers
[00:27:46] ubuntuEdgy: any one want to ssh and fix my blues ?
[00:28:02] pac1: nah, you shouldn't let strangers in....
[00:28:21] ubuntuEdgy: i feel like i known you all my life
[00:28:28] ubuntuEdgy: get in will you
[00:28:33] pac1: new best friend....
[00:28:40] ubuntuEdgy: exactly
[00:29:31] ubuntuEdgy: what you say .......two eyes are better the one
[00:29:33] pac1: I'm a white hat, but I wouldn't depend on such a statement myself. Neither should you.
[00:29:52] ubuntuEdgy: lmaoo
[00:29:57] ubuntuEdgy: im desprate
[00:30:03] pac1: (pac1 is paranoid... thinks people on the net are out to get him...)
[00:30:23] ubuntuEdgy: lol i been at this all day
[00:31:07] dhr: I never remember all the flags of netstat. Best bet, as superuser, on server: netstat --listening --inet --program
[00:31:11] pac1: movie is starting. bbl. keep reading ubuntuEdgy, you'll get it. Or someone will come by who knows the answer..
[00:31:36] pac1: tcp 0 0 *:6545 *:* LISTEN 13152/mythlcdserver
[00:32:43] dhr: tcp 0 0 *:6543 *:* LISTEN 2688/mythbackend
[00:32:50] ubuntuEdgy: tcp 0 0 localhost:2208 *:* LISTEN 3
[00:32:59] dhr: tcp 0 0 *:6544 *:* LISTEN 2688/mythbackend
[00:33:28] ubuntuEdgy: 3394/mythbackend
[00:33:28] ubuntuEdgy: tcp 0 0 *:6544 *:* LISTEN 13394/mythbackend
[00:33:28] ubuntuEdgy: tcp 0 0 localhost:ipp *:* LISTEN 4
[00:34:08] ubuntuEdgy: listening ?
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[00:34:37] dhr: if the local address is "localhost", it won't do you any good.
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[00:34:57] ubuntuEdgy: what do i need to do
[00:36:29] dhr: reconfigure your server. I would guess that mythtv-setup ON THE SERVER will let you fix this. No promise: I hven't done this often and my memory is not great.
[00:37:12] ubuntuEdgy: also i have not gave the server any ip addresses is this normal ?
[00:37:31] ubuntuEdgy: i have left it on default
[00:38:31] dhr: your DHCP server probably gave it the IP address to your ethernet interface. But when you configured your mythbackend, you probably had to tell it what address to answer as.
[00:39:03] dhr: BTW, you need to make sure that your DHCP server always gives the same address out to your machine.
[00:39:37] ubuntuEdgy: yeh im going to do that soon
[00:39:45] ubuntuEdgy: the router gives the ips
[00:39:47] achew22: why not just set a static IP?
[00:39:49] dhr: OR statically assign an address yourself, one that your DHCP server won't give someone else.
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[00:40:18] ubuntuEdgy: ok
[00:42:28] ubuntuEdgy: it should be
[00:42:58] ubuntuEdgy: making sense ?
[00:43:06] dhr: which is it? Probably not both. They are contradictory.
[00:43:39] dhr: do you have more than one frontend running at once???
[00:44:50] ubuntuEdgy: no just one
[00:45:10] ubuntuEdgy: mabe i should go to the back end see what we can do there ?
[00:48:32] dhr: figure out why your frontend produces contradictory diagnostics.
[00:51:30] GreyFoxx: ubuntuEdgy: ok. do what I say, exactly, in the same order
[00:51:50] ubuntuEdgy: can i show you some thing before i do
[00:52:03] ubuntuEdgy: http://pastebin.ca/409857
[00:52:06] GreyFoxx: shutdown mythbackend on your backend, shutdown mythfrontend on your backend, shutdown mythfrontend on your new frontend, if it's running shutdown mythbackend on your new frontend
[00:52:24] ubuntuEdgy: this is when i was trying to connect toi the beckend
[00:52:40] GreyFoxx: on your new frontend edit your mysql.txt and point it to the machine running your backends mysql database, most likely the same machine as your regular backend
[00:53:20] GreyFoxx: on the backend, go into mysql and grant permission to the other machine
[00:53:43] GreyFoxx: grant all on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'OTHERIPHERE' identified by 'YOURMYTHPASSWORDHERE';
[00:53:50] GreyFoxx: flush privileges;
[00:54:13] hads: Cool, ivtv 0.10 made its way into Feisty
[00:54:31] GreyFoxx: then restart mythbackend on your backend
[00:54:31] ubuntuEdgy: :-/kind of follow
[00:54:36] Kritter: anyone framilar with doing sata manual install with knoppmyth?
[00:54:44] GreyFoxx: go to the frontend
[00:55:13] GreyFoxx: then run mythfrontend
[00:55:47] GreyFoxx: and if you have mysqld running on your new frontend , turn it off and leave it off
[00:56:04] ubuntuEdgy: mines was set to 127.0.01
[00:57:30] ubuntuEdgy: do i need mysql on the fron end or can i remove it ?
[00:58:07] GreyFoxx: you don't need the mysql server running on the frontend , you just need the mysql client
[00:58:33] GreyFoxx: client libraries that is
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[00:59:21] ubuntuEdgy: i have the server installed
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[01:01:49] Rowdan: does any one have any experiance with installing the FrontEnd on an Xbox?
[01:02:23] ubuntuEdgy: please wait for me loging out
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[01:04:44] Rowdan: how do i go about forceing a complete dump and reload of the EPG data for mythtv?
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[01:06:49] deebus: got a mythtv compilation error, can someone help me out?
[01:07:07] deebus: also...pastebin is blowing up on me. anyone have a different link
[01:07:07] deebus: ?
[01:07:14] sigger_: pastebin.ca
[01:07:24] Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v jams
[01:07:35] sigger_: oh, haha tha's the one above.
[01:08:10] deebus: http://pastebin.ca/409987
[01:08:19] deebus: check out that nastiness
[01:09:29] sigger_: eh, sorry I use the prebuilt freetype package (debian)
[01:09:51] grantt: Rowdan: I'm strugging with the xbox right now
[01:10:00] deebus: hm
[01:10:08] deebus: apt-getting some more tt libraries
[01:11:01] sigger_: not sure you neccesarily wanna get more libraries
[01:11:12] sigger_: more about getting the right ones ;)
[01:11:38] grantt: Rowdan: I've got it installed but it's not playing livetv or recorded programs
[01:11:39] dhr: in C and probably C++, look first at the first error message.
[01:12:02] deebus: yeah. I'm going for the Microsoft version of troubleshooting at this point: install terabyes of data, and hope it works
[01:12:27] sigger_: fire, ready, aim.
[01:12:39] sigger_: what pkgs have you installed
[01:12:49] grantt: Rowdan: I've got a HW mod. I installed xebian into the savegame partition, so I can launch it via XBMC's "My Programs
[01:12:49] deebus: um, lots
[01:13:01] dhr: why no freetype/config/ftheader.h? bad makefile? missing file?
[01:13:20] deebus: I think it might be
[01:13:26] deebus: just ran the config script again
[01:13:39] sigger_: while compile freetype?
[01:13:56] sigger_: er, why that is
[01:14:00] deebus: the compile was complaining about it. not really sure why
[01:14:09] sigger_: what distro?
[01:14:14] deebus: ubuntu
[01:14:21] sigger_: ah, same as me. edgy?
[01:14:31] deebus: nah, dapper
[01:14:40] deebus: edgy x86_64 was giving me toubles
[01:14:55] deebus: so I downgraded to dapper, and it looks like some of those troubles have been fixed
[01:14:57] sigger_: google howto dapper install mythtv
[01:15:04] deebus: already there
[01:15:09] sigger_: there's howto's aplenty
[01:15:12] deebus: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_D . . . apper_Server
[01:15:13] deebus: using that one
[01:15:16] deebus: it's a good one
[01:15:41] sigger_: it doesn't mention what freetype pkg to get?
[01:16:00] deebus: well, it did, but the compile complained anyway
[01:16:09] deebus: even though I followed the steps exactly
[01:16:13] ** deebus shrugs **
[01:16:18] dhr: I like 64-bit, but it probably isn't much of a win for Myth. Probably a lose: you are in a minority and might hit more problems.
[01:16:22] ** deebus scratches head and parts unmentionable **
[01:16:38] grantt: Rowdan: I just chose the "gamesave partition" option in this: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Xbox_Frontend_HOWTO
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[01:17:10] Rowdan: grantt: ok so the installer has the option to leave the curent filesystem intact
[01:17:20] grantt: Rowdan: yes
[01:17:40] grantt: My problem is at the moment it won't play livetv or recorded programs.
[01:17:54] grantt: brb
[01:18:05] ubuntuEdgy: great news people
[01:18:17] ubuntuEdgy: i myback end and all work
[01:19:06] deebus: woo hoo!
[01:19:11] dhr: do you know why it worked this time?
[01:19:39] deebus: please say you installed terabytes of data and hoped it worked, please say you installed terabytes of data and hoped it worked...
[01:19:43] ** deebus crosses fingers **
[01:20:38] ubuntuEdgy: dhr: it was simple
[01:20:54] ubuntuEdgy: the server ip was set to 127.0.01
[01:20:57] ubuntuEdgy: lmaoo
[01:21:46] grantt: Rowdan: I don't know about softmods, but I just downloaded the latest ubuntu edgy iso and made a boot dvd. Then followed the instructions in the link I gave above.
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[01:21:57] grantt: But be warned: performance seems pretty sucky on the xbox.
[01:22:00] ubuntuEdgy: how i will just have to make sure the address stays the same
[01:22:13] Rowdan: grantt: ok nm reading is powerfull tool... now going to locat the xbmcmyth
[01:22:24] Rowdan: grantt: oh
[01:22:55] ubuntuEdgy: need to log out brb
[01:23:24] grantt: Rowdan: Yeah, so far I've found the 64MB RAM on the xbox is a real performance limiter.
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[01:24:25] deebus: stupid makefile and C code question for the room...
[01:24:43] deebus: if you run a makefile, and it dies somewhere along the way, and then you run it again...
[01:26:22] deebus: hm. I seem to have asked a question so dumb, the entire channel is sitting in silent awe of my stupidity.
[01:26:27] deebus: cool.
[01:26:35] deebus: :-P
[01:27:59] grantt: deebus: yes, that's the way make works
[01:28:01] dhr: deebus: the question has no "yes" or "no" answer.
[01:28:39] dhr: simple makefiles are intended to work that way.
[01:29:13] dhr: but the problem is: what are the dependencies. If you change something, does the makefile detect it?
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[01:29:46] dhr: do|work: I thought you were in Canada. Not normal working hours here.
[01:36:53] GomiBoy: Got a question: I did a yum upgrade today & now don't get any menu when mythfronted starts. Nothing weird in the logs. Any ideas?
[01:39:45] deebus: what does make distclean do?
[01:41:02] GomiBoy: I'm not running the CVS version.
[01:41:24] GomiBoy: I installed the RPM off atrpms.net
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[01:50:26] pac1: I'm trying to record from pvr150, then copy to dvd. the dvd is all blocky, and the files sizes is way too small. should be 1g is 137 mb....
[01:50:49] pac1: is there a right way to create a dvd in Myth?
[01:51:00] deebus: yes. not like that.
[01:51:08] pac1: right...
[01:51:13] deebus: :-D
[01:51:23] pac1: so what's the secrit?
[01:51:26] deebus: sorry. I couldn't resist. but unfortunately, I can't help you
[01:51:33] deebus: you're ahead of me, atm
[01:51:39] deebus: I'm still running into compile issues
[01:51:41] pac1: deebus, np.
[01:51:45] pac1: ;-)
[01:52:03] Kritter: you could read this. http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=745
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[01:55:30] pac1: Kritter, read that, used mythArchive and got the crappy dvd. There's got to be something I've missed in setting up myth.
[01:56:07] pac1: output on disk is 1060_20070101191100.mpg
[01:56:47] pac1: mytharchive runs, but it does transcode. The result is not the right resolution.
[01:56:55] Kritter: if you copy the file from myth to your other machine can you watch it with vlc or similar?
[01:57:14] Kritter: ie: is the source file good and the screw up happens in the transcode.
[01:57:35] GreyFoxx: pac1: What resolution are you recording at ? What resolution is the myt6harchive output coming out as ?
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[01:58:25] pac1: GreyFoxx, I've got the files here, is there a way to show what the resolution of a file is?
[01:59:04] GreyFoxx: I don't believe myth has a built in way to tell you, but most other players will
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[01:59:13] GreyFoxx: or if you have transcode instal;led
[01:59:19] GreyFoxx: tcprobe -i file.mpg
[01:59:21] pac1: lemmey try mplayer on them.
[01:59:23] GreyFoxx: will give you info
[01:59:32] GreyFoxx: mplayer has a -identify I think or something similar
[02:00:58] pac1: tcprobe gives: (*) = not default, 0 = not detected audio track: -a 0 [0] -e 48000,16,2 [48000,16,2] -n 0x50 [0x2000] (*) PTS=1.5134, bitrate=384 kbps detected (50) presentation unit(s) (SCR reset)
[02:01:10] pac1: that's what was recorded by myth.
[02:01:24] GreyFoxx: no video info ?
[02:01:45] pac1: kine strange eh?
[02:02:33] thylacine222: Hey, I´ve been recording stuff, but it hasn´t been showing up in Play Recordings, does anyone know why?
[02:03:30] pac1: thylacine222, can you see the .mpg files?
[02:04:12] thylacine222: Yes
[02:04:17] thylacine222: I´ve been able to play them
[02:04:24] thylacine222: Hold, on, trying something from FAQ
[02:05:09] pac1: GreyFoxx, summary from VOB is (*) = not default, 0 = not detectedimport frame size: -g 720x480 [720x576] (*) aspect ratio: 16:9 (*) frame rate: -f 23.976 [25.000] frc=1 (*) PTS=0.1780, frame_time=41 ms, bitrate=9000 kbps audio track: -a 0 [0] -e 44100,16,2 [48000,16,2] -n 0x50 [0x2000] (*) PTS=0.1780, bitrate=384 kbps -D 0 --av_fine_ms 0 (frames & ms) [0] [0]
[02:05:40] pac1: hmmm. aspect ratio is wrong. should be 4:3
[02:06:23] pac1: frame rate 23.976 might be wrong too.
[02:07:09] Rowdan: grantt: you stuill around?
[02:07:19] grantt: Yep
[02:08:47] Rowdan: ok so i got the xbmcMyth but i can get it to conect to the sql server
[02:10:16] grantt: you probably need to enable access to your mysql server. I ran into that problem too. Can't remember exactly where the file is, but somewhere in mysql there's a config file that has a "limit connections to localhost" option.
[02:10:35] Rowdan: how do i go about either seting up a new sql user or reconfigureing the curent ones?
[02:10:38] Rowdan: ah ok
[02:11:35] Rowdan: and i dont supose you know any thing about the 1 hour off in the programing guide ifo do you?
[02:12:42] grantt: no, but i suspect it's due to daylight savings time being wacky this year
[02:12:53] Rowdan: ya thats wut i figured
[02:15:39] GomiBoy: Try upgrading package tzdata
[02:18:09] Rowdan: where would i find the update?
[02:18:53] Rowdan: myth pakages?
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[02:27:16] high-rez: I've read there's some way to set my happaugge mce500 to 720x480 – but I can't seem to figure out how to do this.
[02:27:59] hads: It's in setup in the frontend somewhere
[02:30:04] doc|home: yup, mythtv-setup
[02:34:19] hads: Isn't it in the frontend setup?
[02:35:09] high-rez: i'm not seeing it in mythtv-setup. I wouldda expected it under the captyure card config, but all I get is the /dev/device (type which is mpeg).
[02:35:17] ** doc|home looks **
[02:35:37] hads: Yeah, in the frontend Setting -> TV Settings -> Recording Profiles
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[02:39:29] doc|home: fair nuff, my bad
[02:39:44] high-rez: cool lets see what this does
[02:39:44] high-rez: :)
[02:42:42] high-rez: hmm i can't tell the difference
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[03:01:36] deebus: anyone know what causes some channels to come in, and others to be static?
[03:05:31] sigger_: deebus, had to run before. you got yours set up?
[03:07:05] deebus: mostly.
[03:07:14] deebus: some channels are coming in as just static
[03:08:26] sigger_: can't help ya there neither. I don't use the tv stuff.
[03:08:28] Milosch: omfg
[03:09:24] Rowdan: deebus: are all of them static?
[03:09:27] Milosch: (bsg)
[03:12:59] deebus: no, just the higher numbers
[03:13:58] Rowdan: deebus: wut chan it start at?
[03:14:33] Rowdan: 13? 99?
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[03:21:09] deebus: lemme check...
[03:22:47] deebus: Rowdan: starts at channel 14
[03:27:24] SirTuxalot: what is an easy way to reset the theme setup of the front end...something I set really messed it up and it is largely unusable...thanks
[03:33:21] Captain_Murdoch: deebus, sounds like your frequency table setting is wrong. did you set it to one of the cable settings and you're using over-the-air or vice-versa?
[03:47:30] deebus: Murdoch: not sure. I can set that up in mythfrontend, right?
[03:51:08] Captain_Murdoch: mythtv-setup
[03:56:44] sigger_: evening Captain_Murdoch
[03:56:56] Captain_Murdoch: hey
[03:57:27] sigger_: got a bunch of commands working on the mpd emulator.
[03:57:34] Captain_Murdoch: cool
[03:57:55] sigger_: now just looking to g-bee for some guidance on best way to access some music file metadata
[03:59:11] sigger_: if I get this puppy working well, you interested in seeing the main myth telnet expanded? I'm thinking it would be cool to have MythTron (Crestron for mythtv)
[04:01:39] Captain_Murdoch: yeah, I'm open to patches. I coded the network control stuff originally for Pluto because they wanted a way to directly control Myth rather than keyboard stuffing and it also gave them the ability to query for status. I'm open for new patches/features though. :)
[04:03:05] sigger_: Ah cool. I could finally have a use for my Nokia 770's. One step at a time.
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[04:09:45] Rowdan: deebus: i would sugjest to check your config... sounds like your config is using broadcast tuning
[04:15:56] Rowdan: grantt: ok i think im at same place as you now... am able to conect and sync the data but it wont actually play the files
[04:17:07] ner0x: My MythTv doesn't actually let me watch tv at all. I get "Invalid file (fd -1) when opening" when attempting to read any type of filee.
[04:17:21] ner0x: I'd really like to get this working to replace my actual TV. :)
[04:17:54] Rowdan: GomiBoy: wut were you saying to try and fix the 1 hour off set problem?
[04:19:03] Rowdan: ner0x: this wont realy replace a TV, unless your planing on watching on the comp monitor
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[04:19:37] Rowdan: is more like a open source TIVO
[04:19:40] ner0x: Rowdan: That's what I'm planning on doing. :) I have a dual-monitor setup, would actually make things easier if I got this working. lol
[04:19:44] doc|home: Rowdan: I use it as a tv
[04:19:49] Rowdan: ah ok
[04:19:58] purserj: Rowdan: I have it running on our main tv right now
[04:20:00] doc|home: only tv I use in fact :)
[04:20:15] doc|home: actually it's better than tv. Commercial skipping++
[04:20:17] Rowdan: well not sure, but sounds like you might need to configure the recording path
[04:20:22] purserj: tvout on our nvidia card is a wonderful thing
[04:21:23] Rowdan: is very true just wanted to make sure we were on the same page, not thinkin that it would replace a tv
[04:22:10] ner0x: Rowdan: :)
[04:22:29] Rowdan: ner0x: i have heard, and read that if the recording path is not set corectly it would give problems like your experianceing
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[04:26:51] Loto: tv out on most gfx cards sucks :(
[04:27:00] Loto: blurfest
[04:27:08] hads: Works fine here.
[04:27:17] Loto: i didnt say it didnt work ;)
[04:28:06] knowledgejunkie: SirTuxalot: first, try running 'mythfrontend --reset'
[04:29:09] ner0x: Rowdan: I believe I set it up correctly.
[04:29:10] Rowdan: trying to read text is blury but for tv viewing is fine for me
[04:30:02] Rowdan: any one have a pvr-350?
[04:31:01] Rowdan: it has the tuner and video out, just woundering if the output is less blury then vga card video output
[04:32:25] hads: Hmm, segfaults. Time to debug compile
[04:32:25] knowledgejunkie: SirTuxalot: did that help?
[04:32:27] SirTuxalot: knowledgejunkie: im not ignoring u...brb
[04:34:14] Loto: if you want quality output that is
[04:35:55] SirTuxalot: knowledgejunkie: yes it worked, thank you...my apologies
[04:36:09] knowledgejunkie: SirTuxalot: no problem :)
[04:39:28] SirTuxalot: knowledgejunkie: maybe you can answer another question for me...up until earlier tonight I was having trouble with the backend segfaulting and getting the error that "Card 1 did not have a hostname" or something to that effect. I deleted my cards in setup and reattached them as V4L instead of MPEG. Would you happen to know why that would make a difference?
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[04:40:05] knowledgejunkie: SirTuxalot: what card is card 1?
[04:40:34] SirTuxalot: both of my cards are pvr-250s
[04:40:50] knowledgejunkie: SirTuxalot: they should both be configured as hardware MPEG-2 cards
[04:41:16] deebus: Rowdan: it works!
[04:41:18] deebus: thanks all!
[04:41:19] knowledgejunkie: SirTuxalot: are you running a single backend?
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[04:41:51] SirTuxalot: thats what they were originally set up as...yes I have one computer that is the frontend and back end
[04:43:12] ner0x: As far as I know, I have everything set up correctly.. I wish there was an auto script for this..
[04:43:36] SirTuxalot: knowledgejunkie: ill let you chew on that for a bit, i need to step away for a bit...thanks again for the help
[04:43:48] knowledgejunkie: SirTuxalot: you should go into mythtv-setup -> capture card, then choose "Delete All Capture Cards" – this will remove any old entries. Then re-add them as MPEG-2 cards
[04:44:24] knowledgejunkie: SirTuxalot: I'll let you try that and see if it works.
[04:45:22] Rowdan: ner0x: have you tryed the knoppMyth distro?
[04:45:58] Rowdan: http://knoppmythwiki.org/
[04:50:05] Rowdan: #knoppmyth
[04:58:14] SirTuxalot: knowledgejunkie: I made the change, I am not getting the hostname error, but it still segfaults
[04:58:50] knowledgejunkie: SirTuxalot: can you pastebin the end of the backend logfile before it segfaults?
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[04:59:58] SirTuxalot: sure
[05:01:26] knowledgejunkie: SirTuxalot: you'll need at least important,general (i.e. the default) logging
[05:06:47] SirTuxalot: Using runtime prefix = /usr
[05:06:47] SirTuxalot: New DB connection, total: 1
[05:06:47] SirTuxalot: Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost
[05:06:47] SirTuxalot: Current Schema Version: 1160
[05:06:47] SirTuxalot: New DB connection, total: 2
[05:06:48] SirTuxalot: Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost
[05:06:50] SirTuxalot: EITHelper: localtime offset -5:00:00
[05:06:52] SirTuxalot: New DB connection, total: 3
[05:06:54] SirTuxalot: Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost
[05:06:56] SirTuxalot: EITHelper: localtime offset -5:00:00
[05:06:58] SirTuxalot: New DB scheduler connection
[05:07:00] SirTuxalot: Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost
[05:07:02] SirTuxalot: Main::Starting HttpServer
[05:07:03] knowledgejunkie: SirTuxalot: please use pastebin.ca
[05:07:04] SirTuxalot:
[05:07:06] SirTuxalot:
[05:07:08] SirTuxalot:
[05:07:10] SirTuxalot:
[05:07:12] SirTuxalot:
[05:07:14] SirTuxalot:
[05:09:12] knowledgejunkie: SirTuxalot: go to http://pastebin.ca/, paste the log in the text box, and post the URL
[05:09:26] SirTuxalot: oh okay...
[05:10:29] SirTuxalot: http://pastebin.ca/410171
[05:10:35] SirTuxalot: like that?
[05:11:07] knowledgejunkie: SirTuxalot: yep – like that. Is that as far as the backend gets?
[05:11:24] SirTuxalot: yep...the next line is segfault
[05:11:52] knowledgejunkie: SirTuxalot: OK, rerun the backend using -v all logging and pastebin the log again
[05:12:03] SirTuxalot: but if I change them to V4L it will startup...okay, i will do that
[05:14:46] SirTuxalot: knowledgejunkie: okay, new post is http://pastebin.ca/410178
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[05:15:47] knowledgejunkie: SirTuxalot: segfault is due to UPNP
[05:15:55] knowledgejunkie: SirTuxalot: are you running SVN?
[05:16:12] SirTuxalot: im going to say no, should I be?
[05:16:40] knowledgejunkie: SirTuxalot: what version (atrpms.net?) are you running?
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[05:18:01] SirTuxalot: what is atrpms.net? that sounds like a redhat issue
[05:18:31] knowledgejunkie: SirTuxalot: that's for Fedora users – what version of MythTV are *you* running?
[05:18:53] SirTuxalot: im running the latest release on gentoo
[05:19:31] knowledgejunkie: SirTuxalot: right – do you know which revision (not release) of MythTV it was built from?
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[05:20:07] knowledgejunkie: SirTuxalot: if you run mythbackend as 'mythbackend --noupnp' does the segfault go away?
[05:20:39] SirTuxalot: no
[05:21:20] knowledgejunkie: SirTuxalot: what's the output from 'mythbackend --version'
[05:21:51] SirTuxalot: 0.20.20060828–3
[05:22:12] SirTuxalot: linux debug using_v4l using_oss using_alsa using_ivtv using_firewire using_lirc using_dvb using_x11 using_xv using_xrandr using_opengl_vsync using_opengl using_frontend using_backend using_bindings_perl
[05:23:02] knowledgejunkie: SirTuxalot: Do you still have your capture cards setup as V4L?
[05:23:23] SirTuxalot: no, they are currently mpeg
[05:24:14] knowledgejunkie: SirTuxalot: your log from 15 minutes ago says they are still V4L
[05:24:30] SirTuxalot: okay, one sec
[05:24:44] knowledgejunkie: SirTuxalot: hang on, maybe not
[05:25:46] knowledgejunkie: SirTuxalot: they're in /dev/v4l/video0, which is threw me
[05:26:30] SirTuxalot: yea, that was different than what the setup said they would be.../dev/video0
[05:28:12] SirTuxalot: i double checked, they are mpeg
[05:29:15] SirTuxalot: hey, i appreciate the help...will you be on tomorrow night? I need to get to bed. I do thank you for the assistance
[05:29:47] knowledgejunkie: SirTuxalot: Quite probably – maybe look out for some Gentoo users (I'm a RH/Fedora bod)
[05:30:12] SirTuxalot: alright...ill do that...again, thanks for the help
[05:30:36] knowledgejunkie: SirTuxalot: no problem :)
[05:30:49] SirTuxalot: good night
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[05:35:31] chuggs: roughly how long does it take to output 1 hour to HQ iso via mytharchive ?
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[06:14:11] Rowdan: chuggs: think it would depend on the specs of the box your useing myth on
[06:14:24] anykey_: morning
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[07:13:02] Neesat25: Good morning to all
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[07:24:14] Dagmar: No.
[07:24:18] Dagmar: Don't wanna.
[07:24:21] Dagmar: Ya can't make me.
[07:24:31] onewheelskyward: Make you what now?
[07:24:43] Dagmar: "<Neesat25> Good morning to all"
[07:25:02] onewheelskyward: Ah. He can't make me either. Mainly because it's only 25 minutes past midnight here.
[07:25:10] Dagmar: Not having a real happy night here at work anyway
[07:25:47] Dagmar: In the morning I'm going to have to hassle the guy who manages the giant tape monster and have him *further* stagger the backups
[07:25:59] Rowdan: 25 past midnight is still technikly morning
[07:26:05] Rowdan: hehe
[07:26:11] onewheelskyward: blah blah blah technicality blah blah.
[07:26:28] Dagmar: Cuz right now, the backup server is pulling so much bandwidth, it's choking my monitoring server literally to death
[07:26:39] onewheelskyward: Cool.
[07:26:47] Rowdan: but it does signify me bedtime.... nn
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[07:26:55] onewheelskyward: g'nite
[07:27:18] Dagmar: If I can't monitor the network, I will be forced to start calling people in the middle of the night about it and I'll start with the guy in charge of the backup server
[07:27:42] Chicago: lol
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[07:27:53] Dagmar: I don't like waking people up in the middle of the night, but there's no reason *they* have to know that if it gets them to actually fix things more quickly.
[07:27:53] onewheelskyward: I'm sure he lives for that call.  :)
[07:28:19] Dagmar: I'm always extra chipper when something has failed and I feel like the admin was being a slack bastard about it
[07:30:49] Dagmar: People always hate cheerful at 3:30am
[07:31:55] Dagmar: God that reminds me I need to get ahold of the netsec guys and make sure the IDS won't freak the hell out if I convert the monitoring box to using hping instead of ICMP
[07:32:30] Dagmar: 'cuz like, a box suddenly sending syn packets to half the network is probably going to piss off the IDS.
[07:32:37] hads: heh
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[08:26:49] juski: morny morny
[08:28:42] qu0zl: morning Juski
[08:30:23] ** juski checks the openchrome website to have a look at their bugtracker.. need to find out what's up with xvmc in the latest cvs **
[08:31:11] juski: bah it's down
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[08:45:25] juski: come on openchrome.org.. don't be down all day....
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[08:55:50] rsdvd: morny Juski
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[09:35:46] Ruleke: hello folks
[09:49:42] Dagmar: Heya Ruleke
[09:51:01] Ruleke: Can anyone inform me on how to use dvb teletext subtitles in mythtv ?
[09:51:45] Ruleke: I suppose the teletext substream is always recorded, just an issue with playback ?
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[10:03:06] Chai_Sangeen: hello everybody
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[10:08:56] sid3windr: :)
[10:09:06] sid3windr: I only have dsp and adsp too, with debian packages :(
[10:09:22] sid3windr: but I only use the box as mythfrontend so oss worksforme(tm) for now...
[10:10:06] sid3windr: but adsp is alsa's dsp, no?
[10:10:20] sid3windr: problem is when I used adsp I didn't get ANY sound, while dsp worked. :)
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[10:10:53] rsdvd: crayzee : I have not touched my sound setup for ages....but I am sure you can just overtype that field with the ALSA:Default.......I don;t think it ever shows as a drop down – I might be completly wrong though
[10:10:58] crayzee: sid3windr, same issue
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[10:11:30] crayzee: rsdvd, now I feel stupid. I didnt realise it was editable!
[10:11:53] rsdvd: I may be wrong – give it a go
[10:12:26] crayzee: rsdvd, worked like a charm
[10:12:31] rsdvd: :-)
[10:12:32] ** crayzee leaves in shame **
[10:12:37] rsdvd: lol
[10:12:42] crayzee: Thanks!
[10:12:43] sid3windr: ack
[10:12:46] sid3windr: must try that :)
[10:12:58] sid3windr: thanks rsdvd for the hint and crayzee for asking the question ;)
[10:13:09] crayzee: OK, well back to the debian version for me
[10:13:11] rsdvd: Glad I could be of help
[10:13:12] sid3windr: imo it should appear in the dropdown though.
[10:13:15] crayzee: make uninstall works, right?
[10:13:37] crayzee: sid3windr, I guess it is hard to know what all the different alsa devices are?
[10:13:44] ** crayzee doesn't know **
[10:13:51] sid3windr: well, alsa:default should work everywhere I guess
[10:13:54] sid3windr: unless there is no alsa
[10:13:59] crayzee: True
[10:14:10] sid3windr: but meh, it could use libalsawhatever to find them I think?
[10:14:24] sid3windr: it uses that lib to output the stuff in the first place [i think]
[10:14:32] sid3windr: anyway, problemo solved. on to the next! =)
[10:14:33] rsdvd: sid3windr : it does not show cause your alsa names can be differnt on each machine......and also making it editable give you flexability with other sound systems (JAck etc)
[10:15:59] crayzee: I wonder if there could be an improvement to the GUI to make it more obvious it is a combo box, and not just a drop-down.
[10:16:05] ** crayzee is *not* a GUI designer. **
[10:16:54] rsdvd: I am sure it is mentioned in the docs...or at least the wilsonet guide or I would not know either :-)
[10:20:47] sid3windr: docs are for pussies!
[10:21:55] crayzee: rsdvd, all I keep reading is "Change Default Device to ALSA:default"
[10:22:10] crayzee: And to me it appears to be a drop down menu...
[10:22:18] crayzee: Anyway
[10:22:47] crayzee: It is an awesome piece of software, and I have been happily using it since 0.16, so I wont complain any more!
[10:26:45] sid3windr: I tried to set it up 3.5 years ago, got tired of it, went to freevo, didn't use that much, got annoyed with some shortcomings + no multituner support, went back to myth a months ago, runs pretty smoothly now with separate back- and frontend :)
[10:37:06] Ruleke: moo
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[10:52:09] cbx33: hi guys
[10:52:20] cbx33: in the image viewer, if i'm using a keyboard, how do i exit
[10:52:25] cbx33: the gallery plugin
[10:52:52] cbx33: the wiki shows to press "exit" on the controller
[10:52:59] cbx33: but there is no corresponding keyboard button
[10:53:11] cbx33: even Ctrl Alt Backspace loads up mythtv back to the same place
[10:53:13] cbx33: :S
[10:56:12] rsdvd: Escape?
[10:56:26] cbx33: nope
[10:56:33] cbx33: that just goes up a level
[10:56:52] rsdvd: escape again :-)
[10:56:58] cbx33: heheh
[10:57:00] cbx33: nope
[10:57:01] cbx33: ;)
[10:57:29] cbx33: also my images are not showing up as thumbnails....which is another strange thing
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[11:01:56] rsdvd: in mythgallery – I exit up and out using the 'backup' key on my remote – which is mapped to esc through lircd – there is no special entry on keybindings so it must use the Global exit which is esc
[11:05:25] juski: docs are for pussies? hmm people who say that are assholes :)
[11:06:42] ** crayzee thinks of the Team America speech... **
[11:06:50] juski: lol
[11:07:26] juski: man I love that documentary film
[11:07:35] crayzee: Yeah, I know.
[11:07:44] crayzee: "No me gusta! No me gusta!!"
[11:08:25] rsdvd: Hi Juski.......how are you today?
[11:08:37] ** hads issues an aptitude dist-upgrade to feisty **
[11:08:43] crayzee: Sorry, that was the answer. The question was "What do mexicans say whilst being washed away by a tidal wave?"
[11:08:52] juski: rsdvd: monday :)
[11:09:12] crayzee: hads, I'd love to know how that goes.
[11:09:37] crayzee: hads, I tried AMD64 feisty just 2 days before the beta was released, and it was so unstable I gave up.
[11:09:55] hads: I've been running it on my desktop and laptop for some months. I just decided to upgrade my main myth box.
[11:09:55] rsdvd: juski : I know what you mean......I hate mondays (especialy when your only staff member calls in sick....grrrr!)
[11:10:10] cbx33: how is myth setup for ubuntu
[11:10:12] juski: so we've had ubunut diaper, wedgy, now they've gone & did festery?
[11:10:16] cbx33: last time i tried it was really flaky
[11:10:25] jduggan_: rsdvd, someone is sick?!
[11:10:27] hads: Solid for me.
[11:10:29] jduggan_: how dare someone be sick
[11:10:30] jduggan_: :|
[11:10:32] Dagmar: juski: At least it's not "fisty"
[11:10:38] juski: hahaha
[11:10:52] juski: Dagmar: you're a genius
[11:10:58] Ruleke: lol
[11:11:05] juski: "how does installing ubunut feel?"
[11:11:07] cbx33: hads on edgy? or feisty?
[11:11:07] juski: "fisty"
[11:11:26] hads: cbx33: Edgy, soon to be Feisty
[11:11:35] cbx33: last time i tried
[11:11:41] cbx33: it didn't setup any of the directories
[11:11:47] ** cbx33 just tried knopmyth **
[11:11:56] juski: hads: careful – YMMV a lot.
[11:12:06] cbx33: ymmv?
[11:12:10] dustybin: i dont know why everyone rates ubuntu, its probably the most unstable distro you can use
[11:12:11] Dagmar: heh
[11:12:14] hads: My milage is fine thanks.
[11:12:17] juski: I've done upgrades to new ubunut versions on a test mythbox – found it worked once but not other times
[11:12:39] hads: dustybin: Stable for me.
[11:12:41] juski: for the effort involved I'd just reinstall the OS now
[11:12:43] crayzee: cbx33, seems to work for me, but I always copy my old db, .mythtv dirs,etc over manually, and then install the distro's version.
[11:12:58] cbx33: ok
[11:13:08] cbx33: I'm hoping to do fesity beta install
[11:13:14] cbx33: then install mythtv on that
[11:13:25] cbx33: is there a nice guide on it all?
[11:13:35] hads: juski: I've been dist-upgrading Debian for years now without reinstalling, there's always a few niggles but nothing too major
[11:13:39] crayzee: juski, there are serious issues with upgrading to edgy. Feisty has fixed most of them, from what I hear.
[11:13:57] cbx33: is mythtv gonna provide that?
[11:14:01] crayzee: dustybin, choice and fashion my friend.
[11:14:02] Dagmar: Probably not
[11:14:03] cbx33: via either ubuntu
[11:14:07] cbx33: of knoppmyth
[11:14:22] cbx33: s/of/or
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[11:14:37] juski: yeah well when I'm done with ubunut I might head back to gentoo. or maybe slack
[11:14:42] Dagmar: Your last statement implies that you're not willing do anything that requires manual intervention, so let the leading zero in the version number be a big hint that MythTV is not going to work without some manual intervention.
[11:14:58] cbx33: oh no....I'm not afraid to get my hands dirty
[11:14:58] crayzee: juski, gentoos not so stable at the minute
[11:14:59] cbx33: ;)
[11:15:06] cbx33: I'm an ubuntu dev for crying out lout
[11:15:11] Dagmar: OKay, that's a different matter. In that case you should be quite happy.
[11:15:12] juski: even if it was 1.x, do you think it'd read yer frickin' mind?
[11:15:17] crayzee: juski, I left it due to being MILES behind in geting X,org-7 unmaskes
[11:15:20] crayzee: *unmasked
[11:15:21] cbx33: but i was hoping to get manual intevention to a minimal
[11:15:21] Dagmar: Just keep any loose clothing away from it while you're working on it.
[11:15:25] cbx33: as i have other stuf to do ;)
[11:15:45] juski: 1. install ubunut
[11:15:48] juski: 2. install mythtv
[11:15:55] juski: 3. fix the stupid arse database problem
[11:15:58] Dagmar: 4. steal more underpants
[11:15:59] juski: 3. run mythtv-setup
[11:16:24] hads: There is no database problem if you install from source
[11:16:24] Dagmar: juski: Someone from ubuntu was in here this morning practically swearing that it has all been fixed now if you follow the edgy install guide
[11:16:38] cbx33: heheh
[11:16:43] dustybin: ubuntu doesnt go through rigorous testing like other distros, it would be wiser to install debian instead of ubuntu, at least your guaranteed stability
[11:16:54] hads: and oldness :)
[11:16:58] cbx33: hads did you install from source
[11:17:05] hads: cbx33: Ya
[11:17:08] cbx33: juski what is the database problem?
[11:17:23] cbx33: hads is the from myth source....o
[11:17:51] juski: Dagmar: I'll die before I believe that
[11:18:04] Ruleke: -EPARSE
[11:18:06] crayzee: dustybin, and then install all the iup to date software you want from source? And research and fetch the patches yourself? I don't have time for all that!
[11:18:17] crayzee: *iup -> up
[11:18:28] juski: cbx33: the database problem is of the package installer randomising the db password
[11:18:47] cbx33: ahhh juski should be fixed in feisty?
[11:18:51] cbx33: i'd hope
[11:19:14] cbx33: lets not get into a distro war :p
[11:19:15] juski: cbx33: I'm past caring
[11:19:22] Ruleke: debian ftw ;)
[11:19:27] cbx33: heheh
[11:19:27] ** Ruleke sits back **
[11:19:27] crayzee: Well, randomising the password is very sensible, if a user knows nothing about securing their PC.
[11:19:34] cbx33: true
[11:19:36] juski: we flagged it up as an issue last OCTOBER
[11:19:46] cbx33: well then it should be fixed by now
[11:19:57] cbx33: anyone here tried feisty and myth from scratch?
[11:20:00] hads: It's interesting how much time is spent discussing this topic here
[11:20:07] Ruleke: it should also lock the root account and encrypt the harddisk, then create a black hole and use it as a swap device
[11:20:12] juski: then proceeded to get very pissed off at zillions of people coming in here complaining "cannot connect to database"
[11:20:41] Ruleke: I went ott with the black hole didn't I ? damn
[11:20:49] Ruleke: it almost looked believable :P
[11:20:53] Dagmar: Yeah this guy I mentioned was swearing there was a whole group assigned to deal with their MythTV packages now
[11:21:05] cbx33: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feisty_Backend_Frontend
[11:21:07] ** juski laughs **
[11:21:10] Dagmar: We'll see about that
[11:21:11] juski: I was in that group
[11:21:12] cbx33: well that's a pretty big doc ;)
[11:21:43] crayzee: if only it would automatically install /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.[ext] as well... And of course the current user... Perhaps have a global file belonging to the mythtv group, and allow simple adding of user to that group...
[11:21:52] juski: I know – you can all just blame me for deserting it – that's why mythtv on ubunut sucks – cos I didn't stick it out
[11:21:54] crayzee: But meh, mythtv:mythtv is easier to remember. :)
[11:22:33] cbx33: oh juski.....how could you :p
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[11:23:06] Ruleke: juski: you killed mythtv ! you bastard !
[11:23:08] Ruleke: :)
[11:23:24] Ruleke: now get back in your theme sweatshop and crank out some goodness
[11:23:46] juski: hey neon-wide is out of beta already
[11:23:51] Ruleke: nice
[11:23:59] juski: thanks to all the user-contributed debug reports...
[11:23:59] Ruleke: I don't use it myself though, but kudos
[11:24:03] juski: COUGH
[11:24:22] cbx33: neon-wide?
[11:24:35] Ruleke: hey you don't expect users to test something with bugs right ? it has to be perfect at first release :)
[11:24:50] crayzee: Ruleke, lol
[11:25:22] juski: lazy buggers, those users
[11:25:26] juski: all they ever do is use
[11:25:32] Ruleke: make it perfect, then I'll "test" it ;)
[11:25:48] Ruleke: actually no
[11:25:52] juski: AFAICT it IS perfect
[11:25:58] Ruleke: once it's perfect I want you to install it for me
[11:26:03] Ruleke: and bring me a beer too
[11:26:16] crayzee: Or a beer throwing fridge...
[11:26:17] juski: heheh you know what you can do :-P
[11:26:22] Ruleke: when you're done with that you can mow the lawn
[11:26:26] Ruleke: ;)
[11:26:56] juski: yeah, well you can cook my sock!
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[11:27:07] crayzee: Bug number 19234: MythTV does not mow my lawn. Steps to reproduce: 1) Install MythTV, 2) Look at lawn.
[11:27:46] Ruleke: confirmed by : Ruleke
[11:27:58] Ruleke: assigned-to : Juski
[11:28:10] juski: ticket closed.
[11:28:12] crayzee: priority : high
[11:28:14] Ruleke: wontfix ?
[11:28:15] Ruleke: ;)
[11:28:16] juski: reason: too lazy
[11:29:30] juski: Bug number 27863: MythTV made me so angry I destroyed my pc
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[11:29:40] juski: additional information: see http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=juski2
[11:29:51] juski: additional information: see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRF7LKM47uA
[11:30:37] juski: anyway.. I is offski
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[11:34:34] crayzee: Awww, I was hoping to see a PC destroyed, not a keyboard. :(
[11:35:08] Ruleke: hehe
[11:35:16] Ruleke: I've seen that one before
[11:35:25] rsdvd: does anyone here have an antec fusion case?
[11:35:46] Ruleke: not me
[11:36:21] rsdvd: :-) anyone else?
[11:37:27] Ruleke: I'm tempted to get a coolermaster STC-T01
[11:37:30] Ruleke: :-)
[11:37:35] Ruleke: not that this helps you
[11:37:58] rsdvd: are they expensive?
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[11:38:15] Ruleke: I think so
[11:38:48] rsdvd: ewww.....that looks horid
[11:39:38] Ruleke: I need lots of accessible storage
[11:39:55] rsdvd: :-) well that defo has that
[11:39:59] sid3windr: a stacker is quite nice
[11:40:11] sid3windr: for being a huge-ass case with lots of storage options, and second power supply and all
[11:40:12] Ruleke: yeah I like the crossfan idea, not sure how well it works though
[11:40:35] ** sid3windr has a lian-li pc60 for workstation **
[11:40:54] Ruleke: this is for the backend anyways, noise is secondary
[11:41:13] Ruleke: just put some 5-in-3 hotswap enclosure thingies in there and I should be ok
[11:41:28] Ruleke: problem with that is I don't know if it'll fit
[11:41:47] Ruleke: it seems to use these screw-on rails dealies for the 5.25" slots
[11:43:39] crayzee: P-180B
[11:43:57] Ruleke: wassat
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[11:44:27] Ruleke: crayzee: looks nice, just need the disks accessible
[11:44:59] crayzee: My case is an Antec P-180B. Its a P-180, but in black. Great cooling, fairly quiet, adjustable fan speeds, LOADS of space for drives, PSU at bottom, holes for watercooling,...
[11:45:02] sid3windr: Ruleke: those 5-in-3 should support the rails yes, but make sure the space you're going to put it in is deep enough!
[11:45:13] sid3windr: Ruleke: thought that shouldn't be a problem in the stacker I think
[11:45:18] Ruleke: yeah that was the next problem :P
[11:45:38] sid3windr: my backend is a 4U/tower supermicro with 3 5-in-3 boxes
[11:45:57] Ruleke: that's what I want
[11:46:05] Ruleke: which 5-in-3 do you use ?
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[11:47:21] crayzee: Wow, thats a whole load of storage.
[11:47:23] Ruleke: my POC box is just a beige-box mini tower with one 5-in-3 sata hotplug box
[11:47:35] Dagmar: Damn dude
[11:47:39] Dagmar: Get out of the house occasionally
[11:47:45] Ruleke: I do
[11:47:53] Ruleke: which is why it all needs to be accessible et
[11:47:54] Ruleke: etc*
[11:48:02] Ruleke: just hotplug the damn thing
[11:48:10] crayzee: Dagmar, what is out of the house?
[11:48:16] Ruleke: the daystar
[11:48:28] sid3windr: Ruleke: supermicro
[11:48:32] crayzee: Dagmar, last time I looked it was rain and miserable people.
[11:48:55] crayzee: That was a couple of weeks ago, mind...
[11:50:52] Ruleke: sid3windr: can't fidn that one :/
[11:50:57] crayzee: How do you go about cooling with those 5-in-3s?
[11:51:45] ** cbx33 just wants a media center that works **
[11:51:57] cbx33: I tried LinuxMCE over the weekend
[11:52:13] Ruleke: crayzee: mine has its own, never gets over 35C
[11:52:15] cbx33: got potential....but lacking in some key areas
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[11:52:45] Ruleke: yikes
[11:52:48] Chicago: yeah
[11:52:57] Chicago: I had to see if my modem got cutoff...
[11:53:26] crayzee: Ruleke, is it noisy?
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[11:53:46] Ruleke: crayzee: not sure
[11:53:53] crayzee: Chicago, you wouldnt get quit messages if your modem died, would you?
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[11:54:08] Ruleke: I don't think so... this is the backend proof of concept beige box thingy, so the cpu and psu fan are already loud
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[11:54:20] Chicago: crayzee: I never have before... but checking the modem is more of a reflex.
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[11:54:29] crayzee: Chicago, fair play!
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[11:54:33] Ruleke: modems... that takes me back
[11:54:38] cbx33: heheh
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[11:56:23] crayzee: Well, I designed my new PC to be fairly quiet (within a budget) and to replace my old very unstable PC (which I have lovingly given to my fiancee... heh heh heh) and it's really nice for watching TV, keeps the drives at 31C, and has 1.5TB storage. That should last me a while, I hope!
[11:56:48] ** cbx33 has $800 to spend on a media center **
[11:56:49] Ruleke: yeah this thing is also the house file server
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[11:57:10] cbx33: any recommendations?
[11:57:19] Ruleke: cbx33: give it to me :)
[11:57:23] cbx33: hahah
[11:57:25] cbx33: ;)
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[11:57:44] Ruleke: it's such a common question with no real sensible simple answer
[11:57:51] cbx33: yeh i suppose
[11:57:51] crayzee: cbx33, mine cost me £800... which is what, $1600? But I got stuff like UPS and all, to make the components live longer. Plus 4 new 320GB HDDs adds to the cost...
[11:57:59] cbx33: wow
[11:58:05] Ruleke: crayzee: lol @ dollar conversion ;)
[11:58:07] cbx33: crayzee...that's just crayzee
[11:58:20] ** cbx33 **
[11:58:29] cbx33: if i'm talking about my native currency
[11:58:47] Ruleke: it's not that you will ahve to pay it in pounds
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[11:59:00] Ruleke: it doesn't exactly work like that
[11:59:18] crayzee: cbx33, is it just for MythTV? Does it have to be quiet? How much storage do you want/need?
[11:59:30] cbx33: quiet yes.....just a mythtv media box
[11:59:35] cbx33: would like 5.1 surround
[11:59:38] cbx33: i have speakers
[11:59:42] hads: How many tuners?
[11:59:50] cbx33: but the only input is 3 3.5 mm jacks
[11:59:55] cbx33: 1 tuner would be fine
[12:00:16] cbx33: but a little expensive
[12:00:21] crayzee: cbx33, most fairly-budget mobos have onboard 5.1 surround now.
[12:00:24] cbx33: 2 would be nice
[12:00:29] hads: The Silverstone gear is reasonably priced
[12:00:30] Ruleke: dvb-t/dvb-c/dvb-s/s2 ? :)
[12:00:32] cbx33: does myth support it?
[12:00:32] Ruleke: hd ?
[12:00:36] cbx33: no hd
[12:00:43] Ruleke: hads: lol you think ?
[12:00:45] cbx33: i don't get the differneces
[12:00:53] Ruleke: hads: I find it to be the expensive option tbh
[12:00:59] crayzee: terrestrial/cable/satelite
[12:01:03] ** cbx33 too **
[12:01:05] cbx33: ahhh
[12:01:08] cbx33: dvb-t
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[12:01:20] crayzee: welcome back, everyone...
[12:01:25] Ruleke: it's an invasion
[12:01:27] cbx33: was looking at the wintv nova-t pci
[12:01:33] hads: Ruleke: Compared to the other quiet type brands that are out there they are cheap. Here at least.
[12:01:47] Ruleke: hads: not here :(
[12:01:54] Ruleke: they look nice though
[12:01:56] fabbione: c" appears to do nothing... any help would be very much appreciated
[12:02:04] crayzee: I have an *old* Freecom DVB-T. Cost me £30. Works like a charm.
[12:02:15] cbx33: crayzee cool
[12:02:19] cbx33: that's the price of the hauppage
[12:02:28] hads: It's funny how different brands are cheap/expensive in different countires .
[12:02:29] crayzee: I also have a new Freecom DVB-T (USB stick). Is in my drawer as it doesn't work well at all.
[12:03:03] crayzee: Used to crash my old PC, and stop the keyboard working in X, and all sorts of things.
[12:03:08] cbx33: yikes
[12:03:15] cbx33: btw i think i found out the issue with the gallery
[12:03:18] crayzee: Though, I am fairly sure that that may be because my old PC was so unstable...
[12:03:22] cbx33: it was cos i had a usb stick plugged in
[12:03:31] cbx33: unplugged that and it seemed to work ok
[12:03:54] crayzee: My saa7134-dvb card (Pinnacle 300i) now works fine in my new pc, too.
[12:03:59] cbx33: crayzee any preference on mobos?
[12:04:01] cbx33: cool
[12:04:07] cbx33: i was gonna go with asus
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[12:04:12] crayzee: cbx33, I prefer ASUS with nVidia chipsets
[12:04:15] cbx33: ;)
[12:04:17] cbx33: me too
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[12:04:27] cbx33: what do i do for output to a tv
[12:04:28] crayzee: My current one is a M2N-SLI
[12:04:33] cbx33: just a simple nvidia agp card with a tv out?
[12:04:39] cbx33: I have something similar
[12:04:42] crayzee: I had a A7V600 (KT600 chipset not nVidia) before.
[12:04:43] Ruleke: I wish they would do purevideo though
[12:04:44] cbx33: but that's for my dev machine
[12:04:55] Ruleke: my money is now on intel to be the first with decent drivers
[12:05:07] cbx33: heheh
[12:05:15] hads: Yeah, Intel video seems to be coming along nicely
[12:05:16] crayzee: cbx33, ENSURE that you get a low powered processor
[12:05:28] cbx33: crayzee....any recommendations?
[12:05:34] cbx33: do you go AMD or INTEL?
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[12:05:39] Ruleke: hads: the only decent way to do it... completely open
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[12:05:48] cbx33: ahh cool
[12:05:48] hads: Ruleke: Agreed
[12:05:50] crayzee: cbx33, AMD all the way.
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[12:05:58] cbx33: cool
[12:05:59] cbx33: me too
[12:06:13] hads: I'm prefering Intel CPUs lately
[12:06:13] crayzee: Do *not* get ATI video cards.
[12:06:17] cbx33: crayzee, sounds good
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[12:06:26] crayzee: Intel best for support, nVidia best for performance.
[12:06:27] cbx33: I always ALWAYS get ASUS/NVIDIA/AMD
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[12:06:42] crayzee: cbx33, tried and trusted :)
[12:06:45] cbx33: indeed
[12:06:49] cbx33: never failed me before
[12:07:22] cbx33: crayzee, so how did you setup your mythtv box?
[12:07:25] crayzee: cbx33, as a small thing, I would recommend you get some arctic silver 5 paste (TIM)
[12:07:40] Ruleke: I quite liked to look of the asus M2NPV-VM as a motherboard
[12:07:41] cbx33: for the heat compound?
[12:07:48] crayzee: cbx33, I don't remember. It was so long ago. I think I first compiled it with Gentoo...
[12:07:56] Ruleke: untill I realized it won't do h.264 gpu-accelerated anyway in linux
[12:07:59] crayzee: cbx33, yeah.
[12:08:11] cbx33: so your box is pretty much left alone now?
[12:08:41] cbx33: oh what about lirc
[12:08:43] crayzee: cbx33, only built my new box last week...
[12:08:53] cbx33: crayzee...installed it yet?
[12:09:00] crayzee: cbx33, I use a serial receiver. bought it from some guy
[12:09:06] crayzee: cbx33, am using it this very second.
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[12:09:22] cbx33: grog
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[12:09:28] ** cbx33 knows not what to buy **
[12:09:56] crayzee: cbx33, it is very multi-purpose though. AMD X2, webserver/database/development/svn/mythtv/gaming/etc. Does everything.
[12:10:03] cbx33: awesome
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[12:10:36] crayzee: cbx33, I would recommend you use SATAII.
[12:10:38] Ruleke: I'm waiting on the big April hdtv changes my cable company is announcing... could be that they will link the CAM to their STB, which would be terrible for me :-/
[12:11:10] Ruleke: I'd have to get one of those CAMs where you can input the box's code, but then would need to figure out how to extract it first :P
[12:11:10] crayzee: cbx33, whatever you do, dont use IDE with more than one drive per thingy[channel?]. [Only use master drives, don't use slaves]
[12:11:17] cbx33: crayzee that was my plan
[12:11:26] cbx33: SATA II
[12:11:41] Ruleke: would you still build ide these days ? :-/
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[12:12:04] crayzee: Ruleke, if you just move HDDs from old to new then yes.
[12:12:04] ** cbx33 wouldn't **
[12:12:20] cbx33: crayzee: true ;)
[12:12:24] ** crayzee looks around innocently. **
[12:12:46] cbx33: hehe
[12:12:52] cbx33: so interms of CPU power
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[12:13:00] cbx33: how much do you think i would need ;)
[12:13:11] cbx33: can i put like 2 wintvnota-ts in there
[12:13:15] crayzee: cbx33, 1.5GHz should do it easily I would think
[12:13:20] crayzee: Oh, then 2GHz
[12:13:27] Ruleke: huh ?
[12:13:32] crayzee: *shrugs* do you use PIP?
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[12:13:45] Ruleke: ah yes
[12:13:45] cbx33: PIP?
[12:13:47] cbx33: oh
[12:13:48] cbx33: no
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[12:13:51] cbx33: well not yet
[12:13:53] crayzee: If you are recording on both and watching back both with PIP then you need more power...
[12:13:59] cbx33: this will be my first myth tv box
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[12:14:21] crayzee: Are you planning on using software RAID?
[12:14:31] cbx33: i wasn't no
[12:14:36] cbx33:
[12:14:38] cbx33: so
[12:15:07] Ruleke: software raid doesn't really use a lot of cpu anyways
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[12:15:16] crayzee: Ruleke, true.
[12:15:19] Ruleke: still goign strong on this p2–300 :)
[12:15:26] Ruleke: that's my dvb backend :)
[12:15:30] sinthetek: i'm trying to figure out how to watch scheduled recordings
[12:15:41] sinthetek: i see it in previosly recorded but cannot figure out how to play it back
[12:15:47] crayzee: cbx33, a low powered sempron should do it.
[12:15:52] cbx33: wow really?
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[12:16:05] cbx33: that could bring the cost down
[12:16:18] crayzee: I mean low powered as in wattage not speed...
[12:16:24] ** cbx33 was gonna kick for a 3800 64 **
[12:16:25] cbx33: yeh
[12:16:31] sinthetek: when i goto 'watch recordings' the show doesn't appear, it only gets listed in 'previously recorded'
[12:16:34] hads: sinthetek: "Watch Recordings"
[12:16:44] hads: Ah
[12:16:59] crayzee: Well, I had the setup you want with a Athlon XP 2800+ and my system seemed to manage fine...
[12:17:16] crayzee: Except for the instability... but that wasnt related to the processor load.
[12:17:26] sinthetek: i tried removing them from the previously recorded list in hopes they'd appear in the 'watch recordings' list about a week ago and i never recovered 'em, heh
[12:17:32] hads: My master BE/FE is only a XP1500+
[12:17:39] sinthetek: so this time i thought i'd google and ask before trying anything new
[12:17:46] Ruleke: should be ok, I've had a 3-tuner epia do all the work needed
[12:17:52] sinthetek: scheduled recordings are supposed to show up in the 'watch recordings' menu automatically, then?
[12:18:04] Ruleke: analog sdtv, but should be the same as dvb imho
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[12:18:24] hads: Yes, sinthetek, recordings should just appear in the Watch Recordings screen
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[12:18:32] crayzee: Well dvb uses virtually nothing for recording.
[12:18:42] Ruleke: neither do the pvr analog cards :)
[12:18:44] crayzee: Like 2% CPU or something.
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[12:18:53] cbx33: crayzee cool
[12:18:56] crayzee: Ruleke, ah. :)
[12:19:00] hads: Both the same, just dumping data to disk
[12:19:03] sinthetek: ok... any idea what might have prevented it from being moved to the 'watch recordings' menu? they didn't the last time either
[12:19:03] crayzee: Ruleke, help with playback too, dont they?
[12:19:05] Ruleke: yer
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[12:19:09] Ruleke: the 350 does
[12:19:18] Ruleke: but I've run with the epia xvmc too
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[12:19:24] sinthetek: could it be a setting when i modified when first scheduling it?
[12:19:29] cbx33: crayzee do the hardware pvr cards offer any significant advantage?
[12:19:35] crayzee: cbx33, note that you can offload a lot of the MPEG2 stuff to your graphics card, so less processor power needed for that too...
[12:19:45] cbx33: how do you do that?
[12:19:45] Ruleke: cbx33: they don't do dvb, your requirement was dvb
[12:19:52] cbx33: ahhh i see
[12:20:00] cbx33: crayzee is that easy to do?
[12:20:00] crayzee: cbx33, I just use DVB-T now, chucked out my old analog stuff.
[12:20:01] hads: DVB is MPEG2 anyway
[12:20:18] cbx33: i see
[12:20:21] crayzee: cbx33, XvMC
[12:20:28] cbx33: sorry....I'm still a little new to some of this
[12:20:30] Ruleke: I still use 1 pvr350 as a secondary tuner in the frontend, the rest is dvb-c
[12:20:37] cbx33: XvMC?
[12:21:02] crayzee: cbx33, look up XvMC in the wiki. It will be way more informative than I am.
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[12:21:27] crayzee: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC
[12:21:33] hads: Heh, my box just dist-upgraded without interupting me watching TV
[12:21:48] crayzee: hads, nice :)
[12:22:29] hads: I'll need to recompile lirc before I reboot though but that's about it.
[12:23:50] cbx33: thanks crayzee
[12:24:00] Ruleke: I wonder when the IR chips will move to the hid layer
[12:24:20] Ruleke: or event driven interfaces, whatever subsystem of the kernel that is
[12:24:54] cbx33: so crayzee using that requires recompiling mythtv
[12:25:09] crayzee: cbx33, Ill just check
[12:25:15] cbx33: it looks like it
[12:25:38] cbx33: unless ubuntu or knopmyth compile it with XvMC support
[12:25:39] hads: Depends if myth is compiled with support enabled to start with I guess.
[12:25:58] Ruleke: knoppmyth does
[12:26:02] cbx33: so.....in all honesty, do you guys think it is better to compile everything from source?
[12:26:06] Ruleke: but it doesn't wot
[12:26:13] Ruleke: s/wot/work on epia
[12:26:16] Ruleke: for some reason
[12:26:22] cbx33: epia is?
[12:26:48] hads: Via Mini-ITX
[12:26:48] Ruleke: the via "embedded" platform, a mini-itx solution with a C3 cpu
[12:26:51] crayzee: cbx33, it is compiled in in ubuntu
[12:26:56] cbx33: cool
[12:26:56] Ruleke: or C7 these days I guess
[12:27:00] cbx33: awesome
[12:27:06] hads: EPIA boards are cool
[12:27:11] crayzee: Argh! Standard XvMC screws the sound!
[12:27:12] Ruleke: literally ;)
[12:27:19] cbx33: i mean.....i can always get hte mythtv pacakges from ubutnu and recompile them
[12:27:39] ** cbx33 is a MOTU, so i should be able to handle that ;) **
[12:27:42] crayzee: And and it makes the status thingy grey...
[12:27:48] Ruleke: personally I install knoppmyth for friends/family and use debian and svn-fixes compiled for myself
[12:28:06] cbx33: I'm thinking of possibly starting with knopmyth
[12:28:15] cbx33: and then seeing what I need to change for myself
[12:28:18] Ruleke: it's a good way to at least start out imho
[12:28:22] cbx33: yeh
[12:28:25] Ruleke: if you stick with it is up to you
[12:28:34] cbx33: well....we WANT a media center
[12:28:42] cbx33: hence why i looked at linuxMCE
[12:28:49] cbx33: but it just had too many bugs
[12:28:55] cbx33: and was damn slow to load
[12:28:58] sinthetek: no idea how to manually move a program from the 'previously recorded' menu to the 'watch recordings' menu?
[12:29:23] hads: sinthetek: That's not something that you need to or can do AFAIK
[12:29:26] cbx33: how active is mythtv development anyhow....a new version expected when?
[12:29:41] hads: When it's ready
[12:29:47] cbx33: hehe
[12:29:49] cbx33: great answer ;)
[12:29:57] hads: The development is active. Look at the Trac
[12:30:06] cbx33: i suppose being an ubuntu dev i get locked into the feeling of regular releases
[12:30:53] sinthetek: hads: short of opening another video player and sifting through the other ambiguously-named video to find mine... i do need to figure out how i think
[12:31:02] sinthetek: s/video/videos
[12:31:26] sinthetek: s/mine/the right one
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[12:31:42] qu0zl: sinthetek, if the video is still there then it'll be in the 'watch recordings' menu. Make sure you don't have a default view filter on
[12:31:46] cbx333: sorry bout that
[12:32:10] sinthetek: qu0zl: i think i used default-everything almost except scheduling priority
[12:32:27] ** sinthetek checks his video filter settings **
[12:32:40] qu0zl: it's not a feature of the recording settings, it's a feature of the 'watch recordings' menu itself
[12:32:45] Zider: .msg AuthServ@chanserv.arcnet.vapor.com RESETPASS gosan onem1ss1letwom1ss1le
[12:32:46] crayzee: Why does XvMC mess everything up so much>
[12:32:50] crayzee: ? even
[12:32:51] Zider: damn, wrong windoe :D
[12:33:08] cbx333: crayzee thanks for all the help
[12:33:19] crayzee: cbx333, no worries
[12:33:30] cbx333: so for output to the TV
[12:33:48] cbx333: i don't have HD or nothing fancy....would the standard tv out on an nvidia 6200 series be ok?
[12:33:52] Zider: noone saw that, right? ;)
[12:34:09] cbx333: Zider......of course not....(hehehe)
[12:34:14] Zider: ;P
[12:34:28] Zider: well, I was about to change it anyway, so what's another change.. :)
[12:34:41] sinthetek: hah! that was it
[12:34:43] sinthetek: thanks qu0zl
[12:34:49] cbx333: i at the moment take the SVHS output of my card
[12:34:49] qu0zl: :)
[12:34:51] sinthetek: the filter was set to livetv rather than all programs
[12:35:01] cbx333: and plug it in via the SCART adapter I have
[12:35:12] cbx333: is that an ok way to do things?
[12:35:28] sinthetek: for some reason it seems to be only showing the programs i saved when i selected 'all programs'
[12:35:30] sinthetek: but whatever :P
[12:35:43] sinthetek: at least now i know i can switch video filters to watch what i want, hehe
[12:35:45] sinthetek: ok, thanks again
[12:35:50] sinthetek: hold it down!
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[12:37:31] Ruleke: Zider: is it twom1ss1lethreetwom1ss1le ? :)
[12:37:48] Zider: Ruleke: damn! ;)
[12:38:03] Ruleke: oh scratch that last 'two'
[12:38:06] Ruleke: copypaste :)
[12:38:35] Zider: oh, lucky guess then ;)
[12:38:45] cbx333: crayzee should 5.1 sound....."just work" on knopmyth ??
[12:38:59] Ruleke: almost
[12:39:08] Ruleke: you might have to play with some mixer stuff
[12:39:14] cbx333: ahhh ok
[12:39:18] sid3windr: is there a way to test surround on linux?
[12:39:21] Ruleke: or are we talking ac3 passthrough ?
[12:39:29] cbx333: Dude I have no idea
[12:39:33] sid3windr: like on windows creative had a tool that said "left front" "left rear" ....
[12:39:37] sid3windr: through the right speakers :)
[12:39:40] Ruleke: sid3windr: I use a test file that lists all 8 channels
[12:39:43] sid3windr: s/right/correct/
[12:39:47] sid3windr: Ruleke: care to share? :)
[12:39:50] Ruleke: well 7, the bass doesn't really 'list' :P
[12:39:55] sid3windr: hehe
[12:39:56] sid3windr: boom.
[12:40:02] Ruleke: I think it's copyrighted tbh
[12:40:05] cbx333: Ruleke, what is ac3 passthrough?
[12:40:20] cbx333: i just have a standard 5.1 SB Live
[12:40:21] hads: The passing through of ac3... :)
[12:40:23] Ruleke: I found it on the intarweb with a google
[12:40:26] crayzee: cbx33, no idea. Guess so. 7.1 just works on my PC... not that I have 7.1 speakers. I have 2.1...
[12:40:44] sid3windr: :)
[12:40:45] ** cbx333 has 5.1 and is pumping crappy stereo through them at the mo **
[12:40:47] sid3windr: I have 5.1 on an sb live 5.1
[12:40:54] sid3windr: but I never tried if it works like it should
[12:40:55] cbx333: sid3windr: with myth?
[12:40:59] cbx333: haha
[12:41:06] cbx333: guess that's what you wanted to test huh?
[12:41:08] sid3windr: I just installed myth like 2 weeks ago
[12:41:08] sid3windr: hehe
[12:41:19] sid3windr: well, I havent tested with anything under linux =p
[12:41:27] cbx333: oh i see
[12:42:01] crayzee: cbx333, you said you had 3.5" jacks, right? If so, you don't want S/PDIF
[12:42:21] cbx333: no
[12:42:34] cbx333: i have 6 channels (5.1) of 3 jacks
[12:42:42] cbx333: and 3 jacks into my speaker system
[12:42:56] cbx333: so it'll work i just hope myth sorts it out for me ;)
[12:42:59] thylacine222: What type of jacks?
[12:43:03] cbx333: 3.5mm
[12:43:07] Zider: jack sparrows?
[12:43:28] Ruleke: 3pole :)
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[12:43:56] cbx333: 3 stereo 3.5mm jacks
[12:44:03] cbx333: = 6 channels
[12:45:00] Ruleke: 5.1 "smart" connector setup
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[12:45:33] Ruleke: weird :)
[12:45:47] cbx333: so i hope it works ok
[12:45:54] thylacine222: On-Board Connectors
[12:45:54] thylacine222: Analog/Digital Out (Analog Center & Subwoofer/6-channel S-PDIF Output)
[12:45:54] thylacine222: Line In
[12:45:54] thylacine222: Microphone In
[12:45:54] thylacine222: Line Level Out (front) / Headphone Out
[12:45:55] thylacine222: Line Level Out (rear)
[12:45:57] thylacine222: MIDI / Joystick port
[12:45:59] thylacine222: Telephone Answering Device In
[12:46:01] thylacine222: MPC-3 Analog CD Audio In
[12:46:03] thylacine222: Digital CD Audio In
[12:46:09] thylacine222: Whoah, did not mean for that to happen.
[12:46:09] hads: Quit your pasting.
[12:46:10] jduggan_: does this look like #pastebin?
[12:46:19] jduggan_: :p
[12:46:40] Ruleke: he's trying to flood us off to take ops ! oh sorry... 1995 ircnet flashback
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[12:54:06] crayzee: 1995... Thats when I started programming my dad's ZX81...
[12:56:49] cbx333: Ruleke, what did you mean by Smart setup ;)
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[12:57:40] cbx33: thanks everyone.....this has to be one of the most useful channels I've visited in a while
[12:58:42] clever: arg
[12:58:47] clever: arg
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[12:59:37] cleverca: arg
[12:59:50] cleverca: my cable box stoped working with my ir blaster
[13:00:21] Ruleke: cbx33: that's what they call it
[13:00:49] Ruleke: cbx33: because you can switch the links to be front/rear/left/right etc from their line-in/line-out/mic config
[13:01:51] cbx33: ahh i see
[13:02:09] cbx33: well....I'm looking for a multi channel test file
[13:02:13] cbx33: so i can test it
[13:02:22] cbx33: I'll tinker with it tonight
[13:02:33] Ruleke: you can find some online
[13:02:36] cbx33: is alsamixer on knopmyth?
[13:02:40] Ruleke: yes
[13:02:54] cbx33: yeh i was just searching guess my googling keywords for multichannel linux audio test file
[13:03:03] cbx33: arent't up to scratch ;)
[13:03:09] Ruleke: they aren't really linux specific :P
[13:03:16] cbx33: true
[13:03:24] cbx33: what player do you play them in?
[13:03:30] Ruleke: I used aplay myself iirc
[13:03:31] cbx33: i mean what format of audio file has 5.1
[13:03:36] Ruleke: ah
[13:03:37] cbx33: aplay? command line?
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[13:03:44] Ruleke: I had a multichannel pcm file
[13:03:47] Ruleke: .wav I think
[13:03:51] cbx33: wow
[13:03:55] cbx33: aplay played it?
[13:04:00] Ruleke: iirc
[13:04:08] cbx33: cool
[13:04:08] Ruleke: so I think so :)
[13:04:11] ** cbx33 googles again **
[13:04:52] Ruleke: I also downloaded one with some special effect, some helicopter flying circles or something like that
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[13:05:03] Ruleke: it must be somewhere on one of the boxes
[13:05:07] cbx33: coooool
[13:05:10] cbx33: if you find it
[13:05:17] cbx33: and it's not license restricted that'd be so cool
[13:05:25] Ruleke: not really motivated to go on the scavengehunt tbh :)
[13:05:31] Ruleke: I think it is
[13:05:34] Ruleke: even the test one
[13:06:05] Ruleke: I also got one from microsoft but that wasn't playing properly
[13:06:10] Ruleke: though it should
[13:06:20] Ruleke: also pcm, but the bitrate was weird or something, I can't remember
[13:06:29] cbx33: ok
[13:07:04] Ruleke: also, I was looking for ac3 at the time, so try that
[13:07:40] Ruleke: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia . . . l.aspx#link6
[13:07:41] Ruleke: hehe
[13:07:53] Ruleke: 'feel lucky' in google
[13:08:06] Ruleke: you might not be lucky playign it though, so try some other ones
[13:08:33] Ruleke: I had to extract them from the .exe, maybe I did that part wrong
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[13:12:13] Ruleke: right, so has anyone done dvb teletext subtitles with myth before ? :)
[13:13:05] adante_: hi.. um i'm no doubt 393932 years behind but anybody have any comments on linuxmce?
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[13:14:03] cbx33: heheh Ruleke you're a sucker for tha hard stuff aren't you :p
[13:14:15] cbx33: adante I have just writte nan article onit
[13:14:35] cbx33: adante: http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=266
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[13:15:29] adante_: cbx33: how old is linuxmce?
[13:15:46] adante_: also, can you explain how the file browsing interface works?
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[13:17:38] cbx33: linuxmce for me was not mature enough
[13:18:11] cbx33: it only came out about 10 days ago iirc
[13:19:07] adante_: ui looks like it 'came out' in the 70's
[13:19:29] Ruleke: hehe
[13:20:04] cbx33: tbph the front ui....that is the overlay one is ok....
[13:20:08] cbx33: but as soon as you start using it
[13:20:11] cbx33: I agree
[13:21:22] adante_: well thanks for the info
[13:21:28] adante_: any comments on the file browser?
[13:21:31] adante_: if you got to use it
[13:22:08] cbx33: clunky
[13:24:43] adante_: righto
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[13:46:48] Kritter: I hate it when there are 10 sets of documentation on something all different, none complete or current.
[13:48:39] Ruleke: do you really ?
[13:48:43] cbx33: hehe
[13:48:48] Ruleke: really really HATE it ?
[13:48:50] cbx33: thanks Ruleke I found one
[13:48:54] Ruleke: takes a lot of effort
[13:48:58] cbx33: but it only plays in vlc
[13:49:06] Ruleke: cbx33: aww :)
[13:49:20] Ruleke: I did cmdline aplay, because I also tested it when I was not there :)
[13:49:38] Ruleke: via IM "did that sound right ?"
[13:49:39] Ruleke: hehe
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[13:50:42] cbx33: hahah
[13:51:13] cbx33: darn it
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[13:51:23] cbx33: though mplayer says it's a pcm file
[13:51:28] cbx33: it doesn't play it
[13:51:34] cbx33: vlc does
[13:51:38] cbx33: but aplay says it isn't pcm
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[13:54:12] Ruleke: I had something like that
[13:54:19] Ruleke: I researched it
[13:54:24] cbx33: oi :p
[13:54:25] cbx33: hehe
[13:54:35] cbx33: i just found a nice wmv, that has surround on it
[13:54:59] Ruleke: yer, I don't remember what exactly, but it turned out to be the file
[13:55:10] Ruleke: ac3 stuff, I really don't recall
[13:55:13] cbx33: does knopmyth have the w32 codecs
[13:55:15] cbx33: ?
[13:55:19] cbx33: or can they be instaled?
[13:56:18] Ruleke: what are w32 codecs ?
[13:56:24] Ruleke: I use the internal mythtv player
[13:56:29] cbx33: so i can play wmv
[13:56:37] Zider: Ruleke: the windows dll codec pack from mplayer
[13:56:43] Ruleke: no idea
[13:57:03] Ruleke: I don't like mplayer much ever since I got to know the attitude of the developer(s)
[13:57:05] Ruleke: call me petty
[13:57:15] Zider: hehe
[13:57:17] cbx33: no that's fine
[13:57:20] frink_: /whois #freely
[13:57:23] cbx33: i just wanna play a wmv on mythtv
[13:57:23] frink_: oops
[13:58:07] GreyFoxx: any particular reason you can'y use the Internal myth player?
[13:58:14] cbx33: no reason at all
[13:58:15] GreyFoxx: I use it to watch WMV files all the time
[13:58:22] cbx33: ok cool
[13:58:27] GreyFoxx: of course, I use it to watch pretty much everything
[13:58:41] Zider: not me.
[13:58:52] Zider: you can't watch me with mythtv ;)
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[13:59:15] Ruleke: you're only on Pay per view
[13:59:19] Zider: yes
[13:59:22] Zider: wait, no
[13:59:24] Ruleke: :P
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[13:59:39] Ruleke: omg I found the goatse man ;)
[13:59:42] Zider: ;)
[13:59:43] Ruleke: zider !
[13:59:48] Ruleke: :-P
[14:00:07] Zider: well, I am from .se (sweden), and goats are cute.. so, goat-se.. yeah.. ;)
[14:00:22] Ruleke: thank god you didn't get the reference
[14:00:24] ** Ruleke hides **
[14:00:34] Zider: I did.
[14:00:34] Zider: :)
[14:00:46] Ruleke: I know
[14:00:47] Zider: I know full well what goatse is :)
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[14:04:49] kantlivelong: anyone here use mythmusic
[14:08:29] Zider: yes
[14:08:33] The_Ball: kantlivelong, i have used it a little
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[14:10:34] kantlivelong: The_Ball: i try playing a track and it just freeze..
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[14:14:45] The_Ball: kantlivelong, i haven't had that happen
[14:15:09] kantlivelong: interesting..
[14:15:22] kantlivelong: what version of myth are u using?
[14:17:12] kantlivelong: its odd it wont even find my songs
[14:17:34] gbee: kantlivelong: there is a know bug causing a crash when playing files of different types e.g. aac/ogg/mp3/cd
[14:17:37] The_Ball: thta might be the problemn
[14:17:44] kantlivelong: hmmm
[14:18:03] kantlivelong: im using 0.20
[14:19:44] at0m|c: hi, i often have to manually restart the mythtv-backend, like after selecting "Watch TV", which doesn't work yet
[14:19:57] at0m|c: any idea's on how i can avoid these manual restarts?
[14:20:25] kantlivelong: also does the enx-15 work on myth at all?
[14:20:34] at0m|c: running mythtv backend on a plain debian testing system w pvr350
[14:22:21] at0m|c: also, i noticed knoppmyth has lirc-reconfig.sh and setup_350.sh scripts. afaik i configured mythtv quite ok, but can't access the tuner yet. is there a way to install/run these scripts on debian, or do something similar?
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[14:45:20] kantlivelong: im gettin this error from mythtv Error opening audio device (), the error was: No such file or directory
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[14:52:05] crayzee: setup->setup->general->page 3
[15:00:19] tts: whats the best wy to wake the backend and show down when not it use ?
[15:00:46] tts: im looking at this and sems too complicated http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Wake_On_LAN_Router
[15:01:06] Dagmar: You can do wakeup timers if your motherboard supports that
[15:02:33] tts: itsa realy old pc
[15:03:06] tts: but it has the cable from the Ethernet to the motherboard
[15:03:18] tts: make sense ?
[15:04:44] Dagmar: There are docs on how to do it
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[15:05:26] tts: ok
[15:05:31] Dagmar: And the "better" way is to not use Wake-On-LAN because something *else* has to know when to wake up the backend
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[15:05:39] Dagmar: The backend has the stuff needed to be able to shut down
[15:05:54] tts: but will i have to wol manauly each time ?
[15:06:36] tts: Dagmar:if wol works i will wake the server myself
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[15:06:59] tts: im just worried about recordings ,will it wake up to start them ?
[15:08:07] kantlivelong: DAMNIT ALL
[15:08:21] kantlivelong: IT STILL DOESNT USE MY AUDIO GRR
[15:08:42] kantlivelong: gonna blow this thing up
[15:09:20] tts: i really like the mythtv-welcome idea :)
[15:10:48] kantlivelong: mythtv keeps complaining saying theres no audio device!
[15:11:18] tts: can you use the sound device on other applications?
[15:11:25] kantlivelong: yes mplayer works fine
[15:11:29] tts: did you set it up on mythtv
[15:11:33] tts: asp1
[15:11:35] tts: asp
[15:11:40] kantlivelong: yep its set to alsa
[15:11:40] tts: try them all
[15:11:49] kantlivelong: theres no device option
[15:11:50] tts: change it
[15:12:03] tts: there is
[15:12:04] kantlivelong: theres only alsa
[15:12:13] tts: change the asp
[15:12:29] tts: do you have a pci sound card?
[15:12:40] kantlivelong: no its internal but yes its using alsas PCI drivers
[15:13:02] kantlivelong: all i see is a passthru ooutput dev and thats alsa
[15:13:21] tts: look on the "dev" section
[15:13:29] kantlivelong: dev section?
[15:13:42] kantlivelong: of what
[15:14:01] tts: mythtfront end setup
[15:14:20] kantlivelong: im in setup
[15:14:25] kantlivelong: general right
[15:14:26] kantlivelong: ?
[15:14:46] tts: ok navigate to the sound stuff
[15:15:02] tts: yes general
[15:15:16] kantlivelong: k @ Audio
[15:15:33] tts: wait i will open up mythfront too
[15:15:58] kantlivelong: k
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[15:16:03] tts: actually i cant im at the backend
[15:16:08] tts: sorry
[15:16:15] kantlivelong: at the backend?
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[15:16:18] tts: forgot :)
[15:16:24] kantlivelong: i have backend running too..
[15:16:35] tts: on same pc ?
[15:16:42] kantlivelong: how else would u do it?
[15:18:08] kantlivelong: makes no sense
[15:18:15] kantlivelong: says in frontend i cant connect to backend
[15:18:20] kantlivelong: so dont need backend?
[15:18:25] tts: you do
[15:18:32] kantlivelong: im confused then
[15:18:33] tts: here let me help you ,
[15:19:18] tts: paste this sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop
[15:19:30] tts: then this sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start
[15:19:47] kantlivelong: i dont even use the init scripts
[15:19:56] tts: oh god
[15:20:04] kantlivelong: they dont work
[15:20:07] tts: what do you use
[15:20:19] kantlivelong: backend on the proper user
[15:20:23] tts: im a noob myself you see
[15:20:32] tts: yes that right
[15:20:45] tts: i used to do that too ,ubuntu ?
[15:20:50] kantlivelong: gentoo
[15:20:54] kantlivelong: the init script sucks
[15:21:10] tts: ahhhhhhhhh i dont know what gentoo is
[15:21:18] kantlivelong: makes no sense
[15:21:41] tts: you need to find out how to start the beckend
[15:21:57] tts: and also make sure it is running
[15:22:30] kantlivelong: yeah just type backend;|
[15:22:49] tts: ok ,to check ?
[15:22:56] kantlivelong: hmm?
[15:23:02] tts: ls backend;|
[15:23:08] kantlivelong: ...
[15:23:20] kantlivelong: god damnit mythtv
[15:23:26] kantlivelong: bout to use freakin freevo
[15:23:28] tts: how do you check if it actually started successfully
[15:23:34] kantlivelong: ps aux :)
[15:23:50] tts: did it start
[15:23:54] kantlivelong: yeah
[15:24:11] tts: ok did you remeber to run the mythtv-setup
[15:24:15] kantlivelong: yeah
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[15:24:20] tts: and setup your tv cards
[15:24:26] kantlivelong: no tv tuner yet
[15:24:31] kantlivelong: i just want freakin music player
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[15:25:09] tts: i know that the music player om mythtv is really not that good
[15:25:27] kantlivelong: yeah well it cant open the audo device
[15:25:34] tts: IMHO
[15:25:35] kantlivelong: so i doubt mythtv can
[15:26:36] tts: well have you tryed
[15:26:46] tts: chaging the cards like i said
[15:27:01] zooy0rk: i know that tuner cards with hardware decoding have inherent lag but I was wondering if older cards (maybe bttv) still have this issue, does anyone know?
[15:28:31] kantlivelong: tts: theres only 1 to choose from
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[15:35:40] tts: kantlivelong:whats that
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[15:36:33] kantlivelong: tts: just an alsa device
[15:36:42] kantlivelong: damn mythmusic theres gotta be something better
[15:37:49] tts: yeh i would say try some other app as long as you dont really plan on using tv ,mythtv is the best for tv
[15:38:27] tts: im sure its some thing to do with the selected device im mythtv
[15:38:30] tts: in*
[15:39:25] kantlivelong: i plan on using tv soon but this music player is just trash
[15:39:56] tts: i know its very very new
[15:40:24] tts: still in dev , unless I'm very much mistaken
[15:40:28] kantlivelong: heh
[15:40:43] kantlivelong: bleh now i gotta uninstall myth
[15:40:44] kantlivelong: damnit all
[15:40:56] kantlivelong: or ill leave it
[15:40:57] kantlivelong: idk
[15:41:39] tts: good luck
[15:41:48] kantlivelong: ty
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[15:43:40] onewheelskyward: The entire project is still in dev, actually.  :)
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[15:46:40] tts: nice to know
[15:46:54] tts: any one know how to back up this file hwclock.sh-
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[15:47:21] tts: found it sudo cp /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh hwclock.sh.bak
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[15:56:48] spiderworm: Can anyone help me with a compile error: http://pastebin.ca/410665
[15:57:10] spiderworm: ../../libs/libavformat/libmythavformat-0.20.so: undefined reference to `voc_get_packet'
[15:57:18] spiderworm: ../../libs/libavformat/libmythavformat-0.20.so: undefined reference to `get_wav_header'
[15:57:25] spiderworm: ../../libs/libavformat/libmythavformat-0.20.so: undefined reference to `wav_codec_get_id'
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[16:14:06] gbee: xris: did you figure out the album art problems with mythweb?
[16:15:11] xris: ?
[16:15:33] xris: your utf8 patch or whatever it was fixed it
[16:17:34] gbee: ahh ok, I'd forgotten what was wrong and whether anything remained to be fixed
[16:18:21] xris: I think it's all fixed.
[16:18:28] xris: haven't messed with it since we last talked, though
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[16:27:53] Neeesat25: Hello to all
[16:28:53] Neeesat25: I have been using kde as Desktop manager but it is very painfull for the pc and myth. Is there a suggestion for any other?
[16:29:31] onewheelskyward: I use gnome, personally.
[16:29:35] Neeesat25: I have try fluxbox but I have problem auto starting mythtv at boot up
[16:29:38] onewheelskyward: What kind of problems are you having with KDE?
[16:29:47] Neeesat25: no problems at all
[16:30:11] Neeesat25: just it is to big and takes more time to load and needs more ram
[16:30:20] Neeesat25: to = too
[16:30:36] onewheelskyward: Ah. Gnome is probably in the same category, then.
[16:30:44] Neeesat25: yes
[16:30:53] Neeesat25: I was using gnome in the past
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[16:31:31] Neeesat25: I like fluxbox but I dono how to autostart mythtv etc
[16:32:27] Neeesat25: no desktop manager?
[16:32:36] spiderworm: no desktop manager
[16:32:50] spiderworm: its easy too... just create an xsessions file in /usr/share/xsessions
[16:33:00] spiderworm: it should work for gdm as well tho i havent tried it out
[16:33:23] Neeesat25: and you have a command in xsession to autostart mythtv?
[16:34:53] spiderworm: http://pastebin.ca/410706 is the text of /usr/share/xsessions/mythfrontend.desktop
[16:35:19] onewheelskyward: Simple, efficient, effective. I like it.
[16:35:43] cleverca: mythwelcome shows the time as 1:35 am
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[16:36:05] spiderworm: and i configured kdm to autologin user mythtv to their default desktop (in this case, mythfrontend) after a couple seconds delay in kdm (in case some other user needed to log in)
[16:36:26] spiderworm: so i can still log in and start gnome or kde, as can my wife
[16:36:31] cleverca: date
[16:36:44] spiderworm: sometimes its fun having a 52 inch computer monitor :)
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[16:36:56] cbx33: Hey guys I'm back
[16:37:02] cbx33: say someone has a USB stick
[16:37:05] cbx33: with a wmv on it
[16:37:13] onewheelskyward: Good lord. Got it hooked up to your massive flat panel, eh?
[16:37:15] cbx33: and they want knoppmyth to view it
[16:37:23] cbx33: how???
[16:37:25] cbx33: :p
[16:37:54] Neeesat25: spiderworm: I just add that to xsession file and it starts mythfrontend and mythbackend?
[16:38:08] adante_: cbx33: i am not a knoppmyth expert, but i achieved similar functionality with my cdrom drive using automount and then symlinking the directory into my video share directory
[16:38:18] spiderworm: Neeesat25: no just frontend, starting backend you do with files in /etc/init.d/
[16:38:23] adante_: it is somewhat roundabout but works
[16:38:30] cbx33: adante_ hmmm ok
[16:38:34] cbx33: will try taht
[16:38:45] spiderworm: Neeesat25: more than likely your system is already configured to start mythbackend on boot
[16:38:51] Neeesat25: oh ok mythbackend can run from command line so thats not a problem
[16:39:55] Neeesat25: Thanks man I will try it out. I am installing kdm at the momment
[16:40:02] spiderworm: :)
[16:40:41] spiderworm: anyone know how to fix undefined reference errors when compiling myth?
[16:40:52] cbx33: hmmm adante_ no files found
[16:41:05] cbx33: do i have to do something to knopmyth for it to be able to recognise wmv?
[16:41:07] spiderworm: im no programming guru unfortunately
[16:41:08] onewheelskyward: spiderworm: pastebin?
[16:41:19] spiderworm: http://pastebin.ca/410665
[16:41:20] adante_: cbx33: might need to rebuild video list cache (or tell it not to use it)
[16:41:38] cbx33: I just put it on a CD and put the disc in the drive
[16:41:46] cbx33: there is a symlink to it iirc
[16:41:49] spiderworm: onewheelskyward: trying to compile the 0.20 fixes svn checkout btw
[16:42:01] adante_: cbx33: and it mounted correctly?
[16:42:06] spiderworm: onewheelskyward: only configure flag was --prefix=/usr
[16:42:09] onewheelskyward: yeah ... was there a 0.20-fixes source release?
[16:42:25] spiderworm: onewheelskyward: i downloaded the tarball and the same problem occurs
[16:42:32] onewheelskyward: weird.
[16:42:49] spiderworm: do you know if there is a recommended gcc version?
[16:42:53] onewheelskyward: Do you have the ffmpeg devel headers installed?
[16:43:06] cbx33: hmmm possibly not
[16:43:10] cbx33: just putting it back in again
[16:43:20] cbx33: no it didn't mount
[16:43:31] onewheelskyward: I do not know about gcc versions, which one are you running?
[16:43:53] adante_: cbx33: ok.. i actually meant you need to setup automount to achieve that :]
[16:43:56] spiderworm: im on ubuntu and i have the libavformat-dev package installed, is that good enough?
[16:44:17] spiderworm: gcc --version shows gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20060928
[16:44:46] spiderworm: iirc the libav libraries are for ffmpeg?
[16:44:58] cbx33: oh ok
[16:45:00] onewheelskyward: I can't recall.
[16:45:01] cbx33: mopunted manually
[16:45:26] onewheelskyward: I was going to give the compile a shot.
[16:48:14] cbx33: how do i rebuild the video cache
[16:48:21] cbx33: just copied the file to the videos folder
[16:48:35] cbx33: to /myth/videos/
[16:48:44] cbx33: but it still doesn't pick it up
[16:48:51] xris: cbx33: utils menu
[16:49:00] xris: it'll scan when you go into the video section
[16:49:42] cbx33: coool
[16:49:44] cbx33: thanks
[16:52:05] cbx33: argh no sound
[16:53:38] onewheelskyward: heh...I can't compile the source either, spiderworm, but I think it's my QT install.
[16:54:16] spiderworm: onewheelskyward: you're having the same problem, or similar?
[16:55:02] onewheelskyward: Nah I get errors like 'no matching function QRadioButton::etcetc' I think it's trying to link against QT4.
[16:55:52] gbee: has anyone got any mp3s which have a POPM frame in the ID3v2 tag? Or know of any linux audio tools which set that information?
[16:56:05] spiderworm: hmmm darn
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[16:58:00] onewheelskyward: I found that source compile/installs work best when you source compile all of the dependent packages.
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[17:01:58] Neeesat25: spiderworm: How you run kdm configuration window to setup autologin for mythtv?
[17:02:33] spiderworm: Neeesat25: in kde, control panel
[17:02:37] spiderworm: one sec
[17:03:09] spiderworm: in the control panel, look for Login Manager
[17:03:15] Neeesat25: I dont have kde installed
[17:03:17] GreyFoxx: Is this a dedicated mythbox since it's auto logging in?
[17:03:27] spiderworm: then click the big Administrator Mode button
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[17:05:39] spiderworm: Neeesat25: oh, hmm... one sec.... let me see what my conf files say
[17:05:49] Neeesat25: ok
[17:06:08] GreyFoxx: Neeesat25: You can use xdm which doesn't require kde or gnome, or just don't use one and start X from your init scripts
[17:06:13] spiderworm: its true... if you dont want to have kdm or gnome on there, you'll only be using mythtv, then there's no need for a login manager
[17:06:54] Neeesat25: How you set it to autologin then?
[17:06:58] GreyFoxx: http://www.pastebin.ca/410749
[17:07:01] Dagmar: You don't
[17:07:07] GreyFoxx: I have that at the end of my rc.local
[17:07:08] Dagmar: Logins are a fiction in the first place.
[17:07:17] GreyFoxx: it launches X as the mythtv user
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[17:07:26] GreyFoxx: my window manager (IceWM) auto starts mythfrontend
[17:07:47] Dagmar: I've got MythTV's frontend as the default thing for runlevel 5 on mine
[17:08:07] Dagmar: That way if I need to I can shell in and telinit 3 to kill it and then back to 5 to restart it when I'm working on things.
[17:08:45] Neeesat25: So you have x-windows plus IceWM as window manager with no login manager. Correct?
[17:08:53] GreyFoxx: Neeesat25: In my case, yes
[17:09:12] GreyFoxx: rc.local starts X, X starts IceWM, IceWM launches myth
[17:10:07] Neeesat25: I see, as mythtv user
[17:10:19] Neeesat25: So I am going to need a window manager
[17:10:36] GreyFoxx: It's recommended to use a window manager with myth
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[17:11:05] GreyFoxx: If myth has to launch anything external. video players, emulators, custom menu items, etc
[17:11:36] GreyFoxx: It's why I use IceWM, it's small, low resource usage
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[17:14:30] Neeesat25: hmm I have just install it and ofcaurse I have add the last lines in rc.local as you mentioned
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[17:18:40] gbee: ok, going OT a little here but does anyone know how to get Amarok to write id3v2 tags? I found an old post via google which says there is an option in the general settings – but I can't find it
[17:18:42] Neeesat25: I just want to have PC more relaxed when using mythtv
[17:19:53] Neeesat25: I do not have authorization as mythtv to use x server so it does not autologin
[17:21:06] GreyFoxx: spiderworm: If you don't use any externally spawned apps it can be fine
[17:21:25] GreyFoxx: but if you use game emulators, spawn other apps for dvd or video playback you are begging for focus isssues
[17:21:55] spiderworm: GreyFoxx: yeah, i dont use those.... i use dvd playback, but the one bundled with myth now
[17:22:01] Neeesat25: GreyFoxx: you mean when using kde or gnome?
[17:22:16] GreyFoxx: No, when not using a window manager at all you can have focus problems
[17:22:35] Neeesat25: I am using lots of game emus
[17:22:48] GreyFoxx: then you want a WM of somesort at least
[17:23:34] Neeesat25: yes thats what I have installed but it seems my user does not have authorizatrion using X
[17:23:50] clever: 209: 3696400 IO-APIC-level bttv0, eth0
[17:23:59] clever: i think my net card and tv card are sharing int's
[17:24:27] clever: and that may cause problems when trying to record and use a high ammount of network bandwidth
[17:27:36] Neeesat25: Anyway I will have to see how to give authorization to my user tommorow. Thanks for all the help
[17:28:17] Neeesat25: Have a good night to all
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[17:29:39] cbx33: do i need to manually install libdvdcss on mythtv?
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[17:30:30] cbx33: it says it can't read the dvd
[17:32:08] GreyFoxx: cbx33: If you want to watch a Commercial DVD then you would need libdvdcss
[17:32:16] cbx33: ah ok
[17:33:01] cbx33: grrr
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[17:40:33] cbx33: hmm
[17:40:38] cbx33: still says source cannot be read
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[17:45:47] juski: hi ho
[17:46:01] akifdino: can i do the channel editing with mythweb?
[17:46:09] juski: done fitting my new car stereo. it sounds nice :)
[17:46:17] juski: akifdino: of course you can
[17:46:31] juski: back up your database incase you screw them all up though
[17:46:48] akifdino: juski: ;-) i mean deleting and editing channels?
[17:46:51] juski: but you're no doubt already aware you should back up your db anyway!
[17:46:58] akifdino: juski: yes
[17:47:00] akifdino: ;-)
[17:47:11] juski: with mythweb you can do all sorts of fuddling
[17:47:24] juski: deleting, renumbering, change freqids, you name it
[17:47:38] akifdino: ohhh
[17:47:47] juski: the only thing you can't do is change DVB parameters
[17:47:51] akifdino: also sorting?
[17:47:54] juski: nah
[17:48:04] juski: you can't do sorting
[17:48:21] juski: I'm sure a simple bit of mysql would sort a table for you though
[17:48:21] akifdino: like placing related channels together?
[17:48:40] juski: just change their channel numbers
[17:49:04] juski: I tried arguing for a channel 'group' column a while back
[17:49:26] juski: the counter-argument was that mythtv is about *programmes* not channels
[17:49:58] juski: both sides are valid arguments but since I can't write a line of code guess who rightly lost? ;)
[17:50:06] hjohnson: what about htose of us who just mindlessly flip?
[17:50:17] juski: hjohnson: er.. fuck you guys? ;)
[17:50:26] gbee: actually I've got a ticket to add channel groups and when I get the time I intend to implement it
[17:50:44] juski: gbee: nigh swan :)
[17:51:27] juski: I was never angling for groups for myself – just thought it'd make life easier for those who still graze
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[17:52:39] gbee: does no-one use amarok? :(
[17:53:08] juski: I did for a while
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[17:53:23] juski: til I found out how limiting linux on my particular desktop is
[17:53:52] jams: i did, but i found it to be overkill. xmms and mythmusic do the job just fine.
[17:54:55] juski: while I was still ubuntu-ing on my frontend I toyed with the idea of trying xmms
[17:55:00] jduggan_: linux limiting?
[17:55:10] jduggan_: thats like, an oxymoron
[17:55:18] juski: jduggan_: no *serious* photo or video editors for linux
[17:55:24] gbee: I'm just looking for something that will write POPM frames – right now though I can't get it to write anything other than ID3v1 tags
[17:55:41] gbee: there is supposed to be an option to make it write id3v2 but I can't find it
[17:56:09] doc|home: juski: if linux is good enough for dreamworks, i think it should be good enough for you
[17:56:19] juski: doc|home: yeah but they don't use FOSS apps
[17:56:34] juski: GIMP is credited for some work but come on.. ffs
[17:56:38] doc|home: juski: they use a miz, gimp for one
[17:56:41] doc|home: *mix
[17:56:53] juski: gimp sucks arse, badly
[17:56:58] doc|home: juski: language
[17:57:06] doc|home: now can we get back on-topic please?
[17:57:10] gbee: no
[17:57:18] juski: for the average person, I'm sure gimp is just fine & dandy
[17:57:23] doc|home: juski: topic please
[17:57:24] gbee: ;)
[17:57:29] juski: doc|home: sssh
[17:58:02] juski: hey so next time the topic wanders onto lvm vs raid vs nonraid, vs whatever, I'll just yell TOPIC!
[17:58:24] doc|home: you're ranting about stuff :)
[17:58:35] juski: that's what I do
[17:58:46] juski: if you're not comfortable with that just add me to your ignore list
[17:59:13] doc|home: ah, a troll.
[17:59:35] juski: who the hell are you to call me a troll may I ask?
[18:00:03] doc|home: I'm someone who didn't use a question about amarok to start on a rant
[18:00:37] juski: okay then. I still don't care
[18:01:21] akifdino: i've one channel here called pro7, this is the only channel i can not receive. this channel was also scanned by mythtv as the rest. when i switch to this channel nothing happens mythfrontend says prebuffering pause
[18:01:43] juski: akifdino: is it free to air?
[18:01:55] akifdino: it hase a base encryption but free for everyone
[18:02:03] akifdino: it is on dvb cable
[18:02:31] tts: how do i find out my sql password please guys
[18:02:37] juski: I think we used to watch a show called 'tutti fruiti' on Pro7 many moons ago – I'd not miss it much tbh
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[18:05:39] juski: my cable-co supplied STB takes longer than that to change channel
[18:05:42] akifdino: juski: but the receiver *cheep from my provider* is far quicker
[18:06:24] juski: akifdino: that's life. There's talk about improving mythtv's channel change times even further but that's not a high priority right now AFAIK
[18:06:30] ** juski goes to eat **
[18:07:48] GreyFoxx: akifdino: Myth also is spooling data to the disk sending it over and IP socket to be played back with some small buffering
[18:08:10] GreyFoxx: So, if it are getting 1 second changes, that's considered good
[18:08:37] akifdino: GreyFoxx: mythtv is great, i like it and i of course can live with it.
[18:09:07] GreyFoxx: I'm not trying to "Defend" myth. Just explaining the difference between regular STB channel changes and myth channel changes :)
[18:09:45] akifdino: GreyFoxx: i understand, no i was just expressing how much i like mythtv
[18:09:48] GreyFoxx: Some poor souls see horrible (like 6 seconds) change times :)
[18:10:02] GreyFoxx: unfortunately none of them are devs or can provide enough info to find out the cause
[18:10:16] akifdino: GreyFoxx: no, maybe sometimes it goes over a second but not more than 2 secons here
[18:15:10] akifdino: i've a remote control with a "i" button on it, what could a place into this button in order to make proper use of it with mythtv?
[18:15:31] thylacine222: Program info?
[18:15:37] hjohnson: akifdino: hmm... program info or news headlines?
[18:15:44] thylacine222: Is it the PVR-150 remote?
[18:15:47] akifdino: thylacine222: uyy program info, which button is it
[18:16:08] akifdino: thylacine222: it is a remote control from technotrend which came with the c1500 dvb-c card
[18:16:11] thylacine222: If I´m not mistaken, info is I.
[18:16:43] thylacine222: I just set up my remote, and info was defaulted to i.
[18:17:46] akifdino: thylacine222: the i button gives me the position
[18:18:17] thylacine222: Ok.
[18:18:37] akifdino: thylacine222: how does the program info look like?
[18:18:55] thylacine222: I´m actually not sure there is a dedicated program info thing.
[18:19:05] akifdino: mhh, i've never seen it
[18:19:06] thylacine222: It just shows up when you browse channels
[18:19:35] thylacine222: Hold on, let me check really quick.
[18:19:40] akifdino: i see, that tine page on botton of the screen with a small summy? would be good to have it. but why is it not on button i here
[18:19:43] akifdino: ok
[18:19:47] akifdino: thylacine222: thank you
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[18:23:32] juski: http://mythtv.indiegigs.co.uk/ – interesting idea, be nice if it doesn't get spammed
[18:24:16] akifdino: juski: what does it do?
[18:24:49] juski: looks like it submits what you record to a server, and then it suggests other shows you might like based on what other people's systems have uploaded
[18:24:53] thylacine222: akifdino: I know why I bound the i button to I. If you press I twice, then you get program info.
[18:25:05] akifdino: thylacine222: mom, i'll try it
[18:25:34] akifdino: thylacine222: you are right, but how does it need to be programmed then
[18:26:00] juski: akifdino: in your lircrc file of course :)
[18:26:12] akifdino: juski: yes, but how do i program double key presses
[18:26:26] juski: I don't think you need to
[18:27:46] thylacine222: Yeah, you´ll have to press twice.
[18:28:10] thylacine222: There might be a way to not have to press twice in the TV options.
[18:28:41] akifdino: you are right, on the remote it also works with double press
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[18:30:58] akifdino: can i also program a key that it switches from tv mode to music mode?
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[18:31:34] thylacine222: You can program a button that jumps from anything to music mode.
[18:32:02] akifdino: how can i find out which config option music for example is?
[18:32:20] juski: they're called jump points
[18:32:47] thylacine222: You don´t need to, just bind the music key on your remote to some F-key, say F16, and then go to Options/Edit Keys/Jump Points/MythMusic
[18:33:40] spiderworm: anyone know what to do to clear out the Theme settings and get frontend to use the default theme?
[18:34:16] thylacine222: spiderworm: Can you just switch the theme to GANT?
[18:34:36] thylacine222: *Can´t
[18:34:53] spiderworm: thylacine222: i cant get into mythfrontend to switch the theme
[18:35:39] juski: mythfrontend --help will reveal a --reset option
[18:36:08] juski: that will reset the theme & the GUI size & window options
[18:37:26] spiderworm: getting "Cannot find theme" error still
[18:38:06] thylacine222: Maybe the themes aren´t installed?
[18:38:48] juski: try running 'which mythfrontend' – that will tell you if the path starts with /usr/local or just /usr
[18:39:11] echosyp: can mythtv auto-mute on commercials
[18:39:20] juski: if it starts with /usr/ then your themes should live in /usr/share/mythtv/themes otherwise they'll need to be in /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes
[18:39:31] echosyp: i know it can skip them, but i like to do stuff on commercials
[18:39:36] juski: echosyp: nope
[18:39:43] echosyp: crap
[18:39:47] juski: echosyp: ever heard of 'pause' ?
[18:39:59] spiderworm: which mythfrontend shows /usr/bin/mythfrontend and themes are in /usr/share/mythtv/themes
[18:40:05] thylacine222: Echosyp: or mute..
[18:40:13] juski: spiderworm: that's your problem then
[18:40:18] echosyp: that was stupid
[18:40:40] spiderworm: it is?
[18:40:52] juski: echosyp: some might say wanting to NOT skip commercials & mute the sound is stupid... far be it from me to cast aspersions though
[18:40:56] akifdino: thylacine222: do you have a sort of refresh button on your remote?
[18:41:04] thylacine222: Nope
[18:41:13] spiderworm: juski: i dont understand how that's my problem?
[18:41:16] juski: spiderworm: yeah mythfrontend will be looking in /usr/share not /usr/local/share
[18:41:27] thylacine222: I have the PVR-150 remote, different than yours
[18:41:32] spiderworm: juski: thats where i said the themes are
[18:41:34] echosyp: i was talking to thylacine222
[18:41:42] juski: spiderworm: oops, sorry!
[18:41:48] spiderworm: np
[18:41:51] echosyp: asking if iv ever heardd of mute when i just said "auto-mute"
[18:42:20] juski: spiderworm: it might still be using a prefix of /usr/local & looking in /usr/local/share – I can't remember why that'd happen though
[18:43:09] thylacine222: Echosyp: Yes, I realized that you had heard of mute.
[18:44:32] spiderworm: juski i had a bunch of *myth* files in /usr/local/lib that i got rid of and that seemed to clear up the problem....
[18:44:40] spiderworm: probably left over from an old install
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[18:47:15] echosyp: the whole point of what i asked (not that your understaning is required) is that i can use the natural breaks in a show to do things like, homework or cook
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[18:47:49] juski: kind of defeats the whole object doesn't it?
[18:48:13] juski: shape tv around your life with mythtv, not the other way around ;)
[18:48:40] juski: anyway I already said you can't auto-mute the audio, so end of story on this one
[18:48:58] gbee: echosyp: to answer your question, no mythtv can't do that – not because it wouldn't be easy to implement but because there is the demand for it
[18:49:06] gbee: isn't
[18:49:17] juski: and like the 'insert other material during commercials' idea people had a while ago, there's likely too little demand to get it done
[18:49:26] echosyp: i get it, the smart ass comments however were not necessary
[18:49:42] juski: course they were – this is IRC
[18:49:52] thylacine222: Echosyp: I apologize, I´m kinda pissed off right now.
[18:49:54] echosyp: especially bad ones
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[18:50:17] kormoc: echosyp, http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/index.php/FAQ#Wh . . . .2Fdirect.3F
[18:50:20] echosyp: its cool,
[18:50:38] gbee: mythtv already has too many settings, so unfortunately adding even more for little used features doesn't go over well – sorry
[18:50:49] juski: gbee: amen!
[18:51:02] echosyp: haha
[18:51:32] juski: I'm holding off on doing my screenshot of every single menu screen project for a while
[18:51:52] juski: I tried once before but got dreadfully bored after 160 images
[18:52:42] juski: just think though – with a veritable library/index of screenshots we can point out to users exactly where they are
[18:52:58] rsdvd_: Juski : can I pick your brains.....do you think a athlon 62 x2 4600 (Dual-core) + 1Gb RAM would be enough to play 720p HD without any issues?
[18:53:08] juski: maybe list them on a website (the wiki perhaps) in a tree formation ;)
[18:53:23] juski: rsdvd_: 720p mpeg2? blimey yeah
[18:53:51] juski: it'd prolly cough a little with h.264, at least until ffmpeg is all parallelised
[18:53:57] thylacine222: rsdvd_: I have an Athlon 64 2800 that can run that video, so I assume yours can.
[18:54:09] rsdvd_: I am trying to spec my new frontend for the new TV.......just not sure how powerful to make it
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[18:54:32] juski: rsdvd_: in the current state of play you'd need to uprgade it come terrestrial h.264 HDTV
[18:54:33] thylacine222: The FAQ recommends around 3.0 Ghz.
[18:55:03] juski: btw have any of the UK users heard the stuff about where some of Gordon Brown's budget finance is angled to come from?
[18:55:14] rsdvd_: juski : but freeview HD will probably never happen......and by the time it does then it woudl be cheaper to replace
[18:55:17] juski: that's right! the old analogue TV spectrum sale!
[18:55:39] gbee: well we all knew that was coming
[18:55:43] juski: yup
[18:55:56] juski: well all apart from the altruists/naieve ones
[18:56:54] thylacine222: Gah! Can someone help me w/ my mythweb setup?
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[18:57:24] gbee: they'd have to have been living under a rock – what on earth gave them the idea that this government would doing anything else?
[18:57:40] Ribs: heh
[18:57:52] Ribs: it would be nice if HD freeview would happen
[18:57:55] juski: gbee: a good amount of people still think the analogue stuff will automatically become HD
[18:58:08] Ribs: freeview was almost competetive with sky there...
[18:58:16] juski: like it's some sort of birthright... which is understandable I suppose
[18:58:17] thylacine222: It´s set up to the point that I can access it from the computer it´s running on, but I can´t access it from the other computers on the network
[18:58:54] juski: thylacine222: some apache config mangle-aration-ifying is needed then – prolly apache is still bound to 127.0.0.1
[18:59:06] thylacine222: How do I check?
[18:59:33] juski: where you look depends on what distro you run, and how close to the proper config file locations they stayed
[18:59:33] thylacine222: The server is set up on the computer´s ip address on the network.
[19:00:09] thylacine222: I´m on FC6
[19:00:10] juski: well, is the mythbox on the same subnet as the rest of the network?
[19:00:15] thylacine222: Yes
[19:00:35] juski: what kind of error do you get? access denied? cannot connect to server? que?
[19:00:41] rsdvd_: thylacine222 : can you access any part of apache from other machines?
[19:01:00] thylacine222: What do you mean?
[19:01:29] juski: thylacine222: what does the web browser report when you try to access mythweb?
[19:01:45] thylacine222: Whenever I type the IP address of the computer into my browser, it just gives unknown host.
[19:01:51] rsdvd_: thylacine222 : if you open a browser on a standard FC6 you shoud get a welcome page from fedora
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[19:03:06] thylacine222: rsdvd_:Yeah, I´m there.
[19:03:28] juski: so do you get that page from the other machines too?
[19:03:38] rsdvd_: thylacine222 : so you get the welcome page from other pcs?
[19:03:44] thylacine222: Oh, no, I do´t.
[19:03:46] thylacine222: *don´t.
[19:03:59] thylacine222: I thought you were talking about something else.
[19:04:05] rsdvd_: LOL – make your mind up :-)
[19:04:16] thylacine222: I´ve changed the directory to the mythweb directory, not the main one.
[19:04:19] rsdvd_: check the apache error log
[19:04:42] akifdino: the channels i delete with mythweb are still in mythtv-setup visible
[19:05:10] juski: akifdino: pleh!
[19:05:27] immolo: anyone know a good program to use just to see if a video card works outside of mythtv and isn't tzap
[19:05:35] juski: immolo: kaffeine
[19:05:51] juski: I assume you meant DVB tuner card :)
[19:06:22] thylacine222: http://pastebin.ca/410892
[19:06:26] akifdino: juski: ?
[19:06:33] thylacine222: error log ^^^
[19:06:39] juski: akifdino: I think it's unlikely somehow
[19:07:03] akifdino: juski: do i maybe need to restart mythtv?
[19:07:08] juski: mythtv hasn't automagically re-added deleted DVB channels since 0.18
[19:07:15] juski: akifdino: yeah maybe...
[19:07:42] immolo: juski- thanks
[19:07:47] immolo: juski- indeed
[19:08:13] juski: np – I mean I know I'm a troll but I try to be a helpful one :-P
[19:08:22] rsdvd_: thylacine222 : that is very short for an apache error_log.......and has no mention of you trying to connect
[19:08:48] rsdvd_: thylacine222 : are you sure the PC you are working from can actually route to the webserver you are running on?
[19:09:36] thylacine222: It was the same error over and over again, and there is no mention of my ip address.
[19:09:50] thylacine222: I´m sshing into it right now, and I can ping it.
[19:10:11] juski: time to check .htaccess & stuff
[19:10:21] rsdvd_: there are no errors in the log you posted.......just notice and warns
[19:10:44] juski: though even if you'd denied all but the box's own IP address, the other machine's browser would still not get 'unknown host' stuff
[19:10:51] rsdvd_: I agree with juski .......are you using htaccess
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[19:11:27] thylacine222: I haven´t changed the .htaccess, so I assume not.
[19:11:40] juski: have a look anyway
[19:11:53] thylacine222: I´ve changed httpd.conf, but it wasn´t working even before that
[19:12:21] rsdvd_: thylacine222 : I think the standard mythweb uses htaccess by default......although I may be wrong
[19:12:21] juski: thylacine222: if you changed httpd.conf to set it to run on the box's real IP address did you restart apache?
[19:12:38] thylacine222: Yes
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[19:15:06] bcnx: Hi all, any MythPhone users here?
[19:16:37] juski: chance'd be a fine thing...
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[19:23:33] thylacine222: does the .htaccess file help any?
[19:25:10] thylacine222: Or do you need httpd.conf
[19:33:10] bcnx: one more go: any heavy MythPhone users here?
[19:33:28] bcnx: I'd like to use it with VoIPbuster. They do VoIP calls to landlines
[19:33:50] bcnx: but it seems you can't enter a PSTN phone number in MythPhone
[19:34:00] bcnx: was wondering if there's any way working around that
[19:36:09] juski: bcnx: I think you asked this on the user's mailing list too – if you get no answer there it generally means there's no answer
[19:36:27] bcnx: yes, true, I asked there as well
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[19:36:54] bcnx: it's a pitty the developper hasn't read it
[19:37:19] bcnx: it would be awesome to be able to call PSTN numbers
[19:37:22] juski: not that I know much about VOIP – maybe you could set up a gateway using another application & call through that
[19:37:25] bcnx: o well ...
[19:37:38] bcnx: like install Asterisk on the same device
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[19:37:59] juski: yeah but I've no idea if you can mangle mythphone to work like that
[19:37:59] bcnx: that's the hard way, but it's an option
[19:38:14] juski: better n' none :)
[19:38:37] bcnx: I suppose you need to point Myth Phone to the Asterisk server and configure a Voipbuster accout in Asterisk
[19:38:42] bcnx: is doable, but a lot of work
[19:39:00] bcnx: if only MythPhone would not care about what you enter, it woudl work
[19:39:01] thylacine222: Hey, I´m getting an "unable to connect to host" instead of "unknown host" now
[19:39:19] bcnx: I sniffed the SIP packets and it's really no differerence
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[19:39:55] juski: bcnx: maybe whoever develops mythphone would be willing to change it, or you could (cough) try to alter it yourself
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[19:40:29] Ribs: what should I be looking for in mythtv for a tuner to be 'unavailable' ?
[19:40:40] Ribs: is says one of my tuners is that, but I don't know why
[19:40:55] juski: bear in mind that if it does get the functionality you want, it'll likely only be available in SVN & not backported to the stable version
[19:41:14] juski: so you'd have to wait til the next release or else run SVN
[19:41:26] juski: linux == pain
[19:41:41] juski: for some that pain is having to learn new tricks ;)
[19:41:59] bcnx: yeah, after all these years of open source I've come to realize that
[19:42:16] bcnx: the rewards are "sometimes" awesome, but the pain, o god, the pain  ;-)
[19:42:34] juski: put it this way, you stand more chance of getting mythphone to work like you'd like it to than say.. oh Skype maybe ;)
[19:43:16] thylacine222: Because we all know that skype developers are on time and very open.
[19:43:26] bcnx: yep, and at least you get open standards
[19:43:36] bcnx: there you go :-)
[19:50:45] thylacine222: OK, so can anyone help me with mythweb?
[19:55:51] bcnx: which is a pitty
[19:55:56] GreyFoxx: bcnx: No, you get to pick
[19:56:01] GreyFoxx: I just enter phone numbers
[19:56:02] bcnx: really?
[19:56:05] GreyFoxx: yes
[19:56:34] bcnx: I tried regular phonenumbers, but no sigar – the conosle outputs somehting like "valid IP address?"
[19:56:55] bcnx: okidok
[19:57:01] JoeyJoeJo: is it possible to send a 1080i or 720p signal to an HDTV using a vga cable?
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[19:58:40] juski: gah! I hate mains adapters!
[19:58:45] GreyFoxx: bcnx: From the mythphone interface I type in my work # and hit "Place voice -only call"
[19:59:05] GreyFoxx: actually hold on, I see what you are talking about
[19:59:08] juski: those damn wallplug things are the bane of my life – I can never find the one I need when I want it
[19:59:32] bcnx: yeah?
[19:59:38] immolo: ok is it possible to hook up a ps2 to dvb card?
[19:59:44] praet: JoeyJoeJo: i think you can if you hit a res. supported by your tv
[19:59:55] GreyFoxx: bcnx: Hmmmm . I did it just the other day
[20:00:02] GreyFoxx: I'm trying to remember how :)
[20:00:09] bcnx: i troed several combinations
[20:00:24] bcnx: with "003214465464654@sip.voipbuster.com "
[20:00:40] bcnx: and just "003214654654654"
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[20:03:50] GreyFoxx: Ok
[20:03:56] GreyFoxx: It worked fine by putting in the # only
[20:04:03] bcnx: aha!
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[20:04:12] bcnx: so # + phone number?
[20:04:14] GreyFoxx: it turns out my mythphone had not reregistered to my asterisk box after my last restart of asterisk
[20:04:17] GreyFoxx: no
[20:04:32] bcnx: :-s
[20:04:33] GreyFoxx: in my case "xxxyyyy"
[20:04:48] GreyFoxx: I restarted mythfrontend to force it to reregister
[20:05:03] GreyFoxx: then just launched mythphone and typed my number and told it to place a voice onyl call
[20:05:12] GreyFoxx: I called my self here at work from home just now using it
[20:05:43] bcnx: so you just entered a reguler phone number
[20:05:47] GreyFoxx: yup
[20:05:47] bcnx: regular
[20:06:05] bcnx: but you're VoIP server is your own asterisk box at home
[20:06:10] GreyFoxx: Correct
[20:06:12] bcnx: connected to PSTN
[20:06:15] GreyFoxx: Yes
[20:06:29] GreyFoxx: And previously I used it talking to an asterisk box here in the office
[20:06:36] bcnx: I guess I could try some more then
[20:06:45] bcnx: worst case I can always install Asterisk
[20:06:53] bcnx: GreyFoxx, thanks a lot for trying
[20:06:56] GreyFoxx: np
[20:07:03] praet: bcnx: you have mythphone setup to use an external voip address?
[20:07:06] GreyFoxx: I got the same error you did, until I forced it to reregister
[20:07:23] GreyFoxx: I'll have to look at the code to see why it didn't reregister ojn it's own
[20:07:28] bcnx: praet: yes, sip.voipbuster.com
[20:07:51] praet: have you tested communications from that box with a client program
[20:07:58] bcnx: Grey:now that you mention it, I did see some messages stating that it lost registration or something
[20:08:19] GreyFoxx: bcnx: You likely had the same issue than me then
[20:08:22] thylacine222: bcnx: It looks like you are supposed to have a + at the beginning of the number, did you do that?
[20:08:28] GreyFoxx: it didn't auto reconnect
[20:08:31] bcnx: praet: I tried that form a PC that acts like the Mytbox's router
[20:09:19] bcnx: thylacine222: I didn't try that, but GreyFoxx just tested without a "+" and that seems to workµ
[20:10:09] praet: bcnx: try installing a sip client, throw your config in there and make your echo test
[20:12:05] bcnx: praet: you mean testing the same account on a SIP client on that machine? the only reason that wouldn't work is because of NAT issues, but it's a good idea. will do that as soon as "Heroes" finishes :-)
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[20:12:33] praet: right. would check your connection as it is not an internal pbx like asterisk
[20:12:39] juski: I thought Heroes had finished til like April or something
[20:12:41] akifdino: if you had a cabel dvb card and all your channels do work except a few and those would work with the card on an other receiver where would you look to love it?
[20:12:58] akifdino: s/love/solve/
[20:13:01] praet: hehe
[20:13:11] bcnx: I'm in Europe, things arrive here with some delay  ;-)
[20:13:24] bcnx: we just got rid of black and white screens  ;-)
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[20:14:50] praet: akifdino: 'on anoher receiver' like, another set top box?
[20:15:10] akifdino: praet: yes
[20:15:23] akifdino: praet: the one which my provider gave me. pace
[20:16:03] juski: akifdino: it's most likely to be some kind of bug caused by the cable company using non-standard signals
[20:16:20] akifdino: juski: is there anything i could try/do?
[20:16:39] praet: were you able to test by tuning manually
[20:16:52] juski: akifdino: report it as a bug if you're able to use czap to tune the channel
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[20:17:19] juski: but developer folks need more info than "help! not worky!" ;)
[20:17:46] juski: if czap doesn't tune the channels you are missing, then there's little that can be done
[20:17:56] akifdino: ok
[20:18:02] juski: stop mythbackend before trying czap btw
[20:18:09] akifdino: juski: yes, ok
[20:18:20] juski: anyway I need to go
[20:18:22] juski: g'night
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[20:18:25] bcnx: praet, juski, greyfoxx: thx a lot!
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[20:37:11] bcnx: GreyFoxx: I think it registeres OK now, but still the odd IP address messages
[20:37:43] bcnx: Just tried xlite on the same machine and that works fine
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[21:08:34] tts: guys my master server is really slow will tuning off the Gui help ?
[21:09:22] tts: it only has 249 mb ram
[21:09:30] thylacine222: Which GUI?
[21:09:33] thylacine222: the frontend?
[21:09:42] tts: backend
[21:09:56] tts: i have the pannels and all running
[21:10:05] thylacine222: You mean CPU panels?
[21:10:08] thylacine222: monitor panels?
[21:10:26] tts: its basicly like a normal desktop
[21:10:37] tts: basically *
[21:10:48] thylacine222: Has it always been running slow?
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[21:11:00] thylacine222: What Distro and GUI?
[21:11:05] tts: actualy its hasnt been this bad
[21:11:18] tts: cant watch tv properly
[21:11:27] tts: i have ubuntu
[21:11:42] tts: gui is gnome
[21:11:59] thylacine222: What are the specs on the server?
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[21:13:52] tts: it should be thrown i got a new pc and thought maybe i could use this as server
[21:14:05] tts: its 1.ghz 256 mb
[21:14:11] thylacine222: And what´s the output of "ps aux | grep myth"
[21:14:17] thylacine222: That should be fine for a myth server
[21:14:17] tts: 249 sorry
[21:14:26] tank-man: that was my old pc 2 days ago, 1ghz/512ram
[21:14:52] tank-man: worked fine for sdtv with mythtv
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[21:15:20] tts: not 512 its 249 tank-man
[21:16:25] thylacine222: Hey, I´m running a 900 Mhz backend and frontend, and it runs fine.
[21:16:39] tts: thylacine why dose a server need so much power
[21:16:55] tts: how much ram ?
[21:16:59] thylacine222: It´s less powerful than yours, lol..
[21:17:06] thylacine222: 512 ram, I think.
[21:17:11] thylacine222: Do you have a swap set up?
[21:17:49] tts: yeh it has 700 mb swap
[21:18:03] tts: uses about 300 mn of witch
[21:18:04] thylacine222: Hm...
[21:18:14] thylacine222: Are you sure it´s not the frontend computer?
[21:18:46] tts: yeh very shure
[21:19:01] tts: thou it has front end installed i dont use it ,
[21:19:08] tts: just the server side of things
[21:19:12] tts: http://pastebin.ca/411127
[21:19:51] tts: also remember I`m not using it right now , but i can if you want
[21:20:26] tts: also i dont find it easy to connect to it
[21:20:29] thylacine222: You´re not using the frontend?
[21:20:41] kormoc: tts, what's the capture card?
[21:20:41] tts: no just backend
[21:20:48] tts: dvb-t
[21:20:53] tts: kworld 100
[21:20:53] thylacine222: How is the frontend connected to the backend?
[21:21:00] tts: lan
[21:21:22] kormoc: tts, so by slow, what exactly do you mean?
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[21:21:47] tts: the picture on the front end is not as it should
[21:22:04] thylacine222: Does the video drop frames?
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[21:23:04] thylacine222: Oh, it sounds like a DVB-T Problem. Sorry, can´t help you there, have no idea about that.
[21:23:23] tts: also the front end "machine status" show theres only about 16 mb ram left
[21:24:01] doc|home: tts: linux only frees memory when it's needed. It's normal not to have much showing as free
[21:24:06] tts: i mean 16 mb thats really bad :(
[21:24:43] tts: i will try with the powerfull front end and see how tings go
[21:25:04] tts: it has a 3200 with 1gb of ram 8-)
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[21:25:25] tts: the other has a 2800 with 512 of ram
[21:25:30] thylacine222: I should hope that works
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[21:25:41] tts: i hope not.........
[21:26:05] tank-man: why do you hope not?
[21:26:10] thylacine222: Wait, so let me get this straight. You´re getting video problems on one channel in particular, but not on any other channels?
[21:26:30] thylacine222: Or did I just get that completely wrong?
[21:26:34] tts: that would mean 2800 is not good
[21:26:45] tts: yess
[21:26:48] thylacine222: 2800 is overkill.
[21:27:13] thylacine222: For a dedicated SD frontend, at least.
[21:27:13] tts: ohh
[21:27:49] tts: why do servers need to be so strong /powerfull
[21:27:57] tts: i dont get it
[21:28:16] tts: all they do is send data
[21:28:16] tank-man: they dont
[21:28:32] hjohnson: tts: unless they're doing other tasks.
[21:28:36] tank-man: i had a 1ghz with 512ram for my backend/frontend/desktop
[21:28:39] tts: how hard can blowing some stuff down a pipe be
[21:28:42] hjohnson: say, running the parity calculations for RAID. :)
[21:28:54] hjohnson: or transcoding video.
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[21:29:02] tts: 512ram i have 249 remeber
[21:29:11] tts: i think ram is the isue here
[21:29:20] hjohnson: the more RAM you have the better..
[21:29:23] hjohnson: cache more of that filesystem to RAM.
[21:29:37] tts: yeh,
[21:29:45] tank-man: lots of people use an xbox for a frontend for sd too and it has 64mb ram
[21:30:05] tts: im still planing on doing that
[21:30:06] hjohnson: i'm thinking about hacking an AppleTV for a frontend. :)
[21:30:09] hjohnson: that'd be a fun project.
[21:30:26] hjohnson: little, quiet, includes a remote, gigabit ethernet, and HDMI connector.
[21:30:44] tts: shure will be,
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[21:31:02] tts: im going to try on the 3200 brb guys
[21:31:12] hjohnson: it's just a Pentium M w/256MB and stuff. :)
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[21:32:09] tts: ohh will turning off gdm make a diffrence ?
[21:32:22] tts: and how do i turn it on when needed ?
[21:33:18] tts: make sense , the backend dont need a GIU/gnome right ?
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[21:33:48] hjohnson: tts: yeah, but it's a pain to set it up if you don't have it..
[21:34:05] hjohnson: since you have to do everything through mythtv-setup, rather than good old fashioned text config files.. (grumble grumble)
[21:34:06] tts: yeh but every thing is set up
[21:34:31] hjohnson: when I set up I was sitting there going "this would be so much easier if I could just use vi"
[21:35:03] Tommck: anyone else have problems upgrading with the hamsta.net packages for Ubuntu Dapper Drake? (mythtv-database always fails)
[21:35:48] tank-man: run mythtv-setup on a different pc with ssh
[21:36:21] tank-man: text config file would be better tho
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[21:39:33] tts: tank-man:that didnt work for me tryed it once
[21:39:59] tts: it said some thing about ,x display
[21:40:23] tts: heck i cant even sudo gedit
[21:40:29] tank-man: i had to do it like that cause xbox doesnt have a keyboard
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[21:40:35] tts: have to use sudo nano
[21:41:08] tts: tank-man how easy is it to do a front end on the xbox
[21:41:28] tts: i always wanted to do that but never got the help
[21:41:43] tank-man: pretty easy, same difficulty as on normal pc
[21:41:46] tts: when i did i couldnt ftp inot the box
[21:42:07] tts: not risky then ?
[21:42:54] tank-man: no
[21:43:13] tts: great im going to try it some time
[21:43:35] tts: do you have a link to the compiled stuff?
[21:43:55] tank-man: no
[21:44:06] tank-man: i compiled from source
[21:44:20] tts: with what ubuntu ?
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[21:45:14] tank-man: on xbox?
[21:45:30] tts: no on pc
[21:45:37] tts: lol
[21:45:37] tank-man: slackware
[21:45:47] tts: i dont know all thats
[21:46:17] tank-man: if you are familiar with linux, installing mythtv can be easy
[21:46:23] tts: so there is no way to just down load and install
[21:46:37] tank-man: i just setup my new backend this morning
[21:46:44] tts: yes its easy for me now :P
[21:46:59] tts: any good ?
[21:47:13] tts: acualy its very very very easy
[21:47:17] tank-man: sure
[21:48:04] tts: people complain to much and it scares the noobs away
[21:48:50] tts: i was thinking is i disable gdm like this System/Administration/Services and unclick Graphical Logic Manager (gdm)
[21:48:56] tts: how will i get it back
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[21:51:10] tts: i have asked in #ubuntu ,should be ok
[21:52:45] tank-man: why are you uninstalling gdm?
[21:52:54] tank-man: that is the login manager
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[21:54:28] tts: ohh realy
[21:54:43] tts: i just dont want any gui ?
[21:55:08] tts: i dont want gnome
[21:55:19] tts: uses too much cpu and ram
[21:55:26] moh: I've seen people recommend WMII
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[21:55:55] tts: this is for the server , people common
[21:56:07] tank-man: then yea you can get rid of it
[21:56:19] tts: ok how tank
[21:56:24] deebus: my second input on my pvr500 doesn't want to scan for channels. anyone know why that might happen?
[21:56:40] tts: you dont need to
[21:56:49] tts: just seletc a source
[21:57:00] deebus: k, lemme see...
[21:57:07] tank-man: tts, if you dont want graphical startup, try looking in /etc/inittab file
[21:57:16] tts: unless im very much mistaken
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[22:00:42] tts: thanks guys
[22:00:50] tts: see you around
[22:01:04] moh: you can change the *default* runlevel in /etc/inittab, but that doesn't change "graphical" startup on debian
[22:01:10] tank-man: i mean the runlevel when you pc boots up
[22:01:34] moh: yes, inittab does that. Has nothing to do with if X starts or not.
[22:03:05] hads: Basically every distro except Debian derivs use 3/5
[22:03:53] ** xris recommends runlevel 6... safest against hacking. **
[22:04:21] hads: heh
[22:04:38] xris: actually, people have been known to run firewalls at runlevel 6
[22:04:41] tank-man: then how do boot up to command promt login on debian?
[22:07:53] tank-man: nevermind, it was tts that wanted console login
[22:10:04] thylacine222: Can anyone help me with mythweb?
[22:10:10] xris: thylacine222: what's up?
[22:10:49] thylacine222: I´m able to access mythweb from the backend/frontend computer (same computer), but I can´t access it from other computers on the network.
[22:11:06] xris: errors?
[22:11:53] thylacine222: in the browser
[22:12:14] xris: are you running selinux or a firewall on the box?
[22:12:23] thylacine222: the access attempts don´t show up in access_log or error_log
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[22:12:29] thylacine222: No, I disabled SELinux.
[22:12:56] thylacine222: I´m not sure about firewalls, but I haven´t intentionally installed any.
[22:13:01] thylacine222: I´m on FC6
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[22:13:45] xris: telnet on port 80?
[22:13:58] thylacine222: Not sure how to do that?
[22:14:08] thylacine222: Here´s my htaccess file for mythweb
[22:14:09] thylacine222: http://pastebin.ca/410910
[22:14:35] xris: if it connects, type anything and press enter
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[22:16:25] onewheelskyward: mmm..routing fun.
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[22:17:40] hiredgoon: hi folks
[22:18:00] hiredgoon: having trouble getting mythtv to capture audio with my (blaster) ati tv wonder ve on ubuntu edgy
[22:18:07] hiredgoon: re, blasted
[22:19:18] hjohnson: do those even work with linux?
[22:19:30] hiredgoon: yup, crap that they are
[22:20:33] hiredgoon: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI_TV-Wonder_VE is sorta helping, but despite capture being on on my line in i get no audio
[22:21:41] hads: Bummer, the MCE blaster doesn't appear to work with my STB, back to the serial one it is I guess.
[22:21:43] thylacine222: Ahah!
[22:21:45] thylacine222: I found it.
[22:22:01] thylacine222: Fedora comes installed with a firewall that blocks port 80 by default.
[22:22:09] thylacine222: But it doesn´t block SSH
[22:22:22] onewheelskyward: Wonderful.
[22:22:44] thylacine222: Thanks everyone
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[22:35:00] NightMonkey: Hey, just want to thank the MythArchive devs – you've helped me put off replacing my hard drives with larger sized versions. ;)
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[22:38:42] hads: onewheelskyward: Finished that upgrade.
[22:39:02] onewheelskyward: hads: You're a glutton for punishment.  :) I haven't started my swap yet.
[22:39:48] hads: THe MS MCE blaster doesn't seem to work with my STB but that's no major. I was going to get rid of my old serial blaster but now it gets to stay.
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[22:48:53] onewheelskyward: Oh good to know ivtv 10 is working.
[23:06:18] ByteChanger: lo all
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[23:09:15] kantlivelong: anyone here use gentoo?
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[23:10:47] ByteChanger: can someone help me... http://pastebin.ca/411318 Basically, I need to repair my Database...
[23:11:12] ByteChanger: please and thanks.
[23:11:16] ByteChanger: :-)
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[23:13:36] ByteChanger: hehe, is there a mythrepairdatabase command?
[23:17:11] hads: `mysqlcheck --auto-repair mythconverg`
[23:17:28] hads: Add -u and -p if you need to change the user/password
[23:21:04] ByteChanger: thanks hads
[23:21:54] hads: np
[23:23:01] adante_: kantlivelong: sure
[23:27:24] ByteChanger: hmm, the repair job isn't working...
[23:27:35] ByteChanger: It reports OK for everything...
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[23:27:54] kantlivelong: adante_: do u use that init script?
[23:28:14] ByteChanger: any way to erase the mythconverg/recorded table?
[23:36:39] clever: login to mysql and truncate table recorded
[23:36:48] clever: that will simply empty it without deleting
[23:36:57] clever: but youll loose its contents
[23:37:06] clever: might confuse some other things
[23:38:31] ByteChanger: clever: What kinda syntax for something like that?
[23:38:48] clever: 'use mythconverg' to change to the db
[23:38:54] clever: then 'truncate table recorded;'
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[23:39:15] clever: to login its 'mysql -u username -p -h server'
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[23:39:35] clever: name/pw/server are in mysql.txt(locate mysql.txt)
[23:39:39] adante_: kantlivelong: yeah
[23:39:48] k-man_: can anyone recommend a dual tuner dvb-t card that works well with linux?
[23:39:53] kantlivelong: adante_: really.. it fails for me what version are u using
[23:40:12] ByteChanger: thanks clever!
[23:40:24] adante_: kantlivelong: nooo idea heh
[23:40:30] kantlivelong: eh..
[23:41:06] adante_: kantlivelong: probably one from old 0.19pre build
[23:41:19] adante_: kantlivelong: i can put it on pastebin or something if you want.. isn't much to it
[23:41:43] kantlivelong: adante_: sure
[23:41:48] clever: my ubuntu package gave me 0.18:P
[23:41:55] kantlivelong: adante_: how did u set it up.. maybe i did it wrong
[23:41:57] clever: ive removed it since and gotten svn
[23:42:30] adante_: kantlivelong: emerged one of the ebuilds.. but i switched to svn
[23:42:48] clever: dont have any gentoo boxes here
[23:44:03] kantlivelong: adante_: thanks
[23:44:12] ByteChanger: clever: 0 rows affected.... Anyway to just blow away the whole DB and start it from scratch?
[23:44:37] clever: what is the problem your getting?
[23:44:51] clever: might be a simpler way to fix it
[23:45:55] ByteChanger: I take it back. I think that fixed it clever...
[23:46:06] clever: :)
[23:46:50] ByteChanger: its working ;-) Thanks clever!!
[23:46:59] clever: :)
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