Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, March 23rd, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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achew22:

akifdino, I've done that too.. its unpleasant

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akifdino:

achew22: a lot of work

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achew22:

yeah

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achew22:

lol tv-guide channel has an icon on the tv guide thingy now

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jams:

yep

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jams:

i learned to live without the icons

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akifdino:

yes, myself, but if you show it to someone else, it looks better with

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xris:

achew22: I left the file in place for now. you can still get at the old-style iconmap format by going to a special services.mythtv.org URL (headache too much to look it up right now)

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namuch:

can someone help me figure out why my backend has suddenly decided to start dying arbitrarily with "unknow file transfer socket" errors?

[00:08:04]

achew22:

xris, its okay, I like the perl script — its nice, and I'm glad the "Skip this channel" thing now works"

[00:10:12]

gbee:

hmm, I've noticed a recent increase of socket related errors (non fatal) and complaints of socket related problems seem to be increasing again

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namuch:

my system has been running with no changes or upgrades for over six months, on .20, and has been rock-stable until recently

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mike3_:

I'm trying to understand something. What the hell is LinuxMCE?

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gbee:

well I'm off to bed, going up north tomorrow

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gbee:

mike3_: plutohome fork

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gbee:

no to be confused with that other kitchen utensil, the neptuneshed spoon

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akifdino:

wow but the script distinguishes now between zdftheaterkanal and zdf theaterkanal

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akifdino:

which it didn't do before

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mike3_:

plutohome.. But isn't LinuxMCE Mythtv?

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mike3_:

Or is it it's own all together?

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gbee:

no, it includes mythtv but it's a lot more – home control stuff, X11 etc

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J-e-f-f-A:

mike3_: If you believe the demo video, it's a complete MCE box that automagically configures for all of your hardware by just installing it... Yeah, right...

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gbee:

the bulk of it is plutohome, but with various other applications bolted on to perform various tasks

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gbee:

it's not mythtv and if all you want is mythtv, then you wouldn't really want to install linuxmce

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mike3_:

I have mythtv. I'm just trying to figure out how something like this can be SO EASY to configure.

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mike3_:

I can magically just get any tv, remote, stereo, computer, and just install this linuxmce and it will magically configure everything...

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mike3_:

Come on.. That doesnt' sound right to me

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** gbee either **

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J-e-f-f-A:

yeah... I agree 100%

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J-e-f-f-A:

He didn't even have to tell it what kind of VCR he had... it just magically knew the right IR codes to control it... (And that IR blaster appeared automagically too...)

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gbee:

even if it comes close to that, it'll be because someone sat down and compiled a huge database of hardware/config combinations – now I won't say that's an invalid method but it's probably unsustainable and a huge drain on developer time

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mike3_:

so it's not mythtv. It is it's own app?

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achew22:

J-e-f-f-A, thats what I said when I saw it, and thats what I was talking about last night

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J-e-f-f-A:

He didn't note the specs on his test machine either... How much ram? What cpu? What video card?

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achew22:

mike3_, its based off of pluto home we believe

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J-e-f-f-A:

mike3_: It does use mythtv, for the PVR functionality, but the other stuff is pluto or custom or ??? ...

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mike3_:

J-e-f-f-A, How is it mythtv?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mike3_: He's probably just using the mythTV backend.

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mike3_:

At what level is it mythtv and not

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mike3_:

oh ok..

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mike3_:

And it can magically configure itself?

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J-e-f-f-A:

supposedly!

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achew22:

mike3_, not likely but it would be cool if it could

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gbee:

has any code been released yet?

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achew22:

http://www.linuxmce.com

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mike3_:

My wonder is if it's all bull shit, then why would somebody go out like this and distribute a youtube video and throw up a website? Why so much effort just to confsue people?

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gbee:

until it is I'd consider it vapourware – and when it is released, assuming it does do anything different(better) with regard to mythtv then we can just incorporate that back into the mythtv code

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J-e-f-f-A:

mike3_: I believe it's real, but I don't believe for a minute that it set itself all up automatically...

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achew22:

gbee, its released already

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gbee:

yet no-one has a copy?

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achew22:

I don't care enough to get one

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mike3_:

an the download link is broken

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mike3_:

kind of odd.

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mike3_:

How can one get their pda's capable of viewing linuxmce?

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mike3_:

Web browsing?

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mike3_:

like mythweb?

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achew22:

mike3_, look at plutohome

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achew22:

it has all this stuff

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achew22:

and its real

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mike3_:

achew22, well let me ask, if plutohome can do all this, why would one want to use MythTV??

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achew22:

plutohome doesn't do PVR

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achew22:

MythTV is souly a PVR

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achew22:

mike3_, I'd love to stay and talk, but I have to go tickets to the symphony, I'll be back in 3 maybe 3.5 hours. I hope your questions are answered but if they arent then I'd be happy to answer them

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mike3_:

not a problem. Thanks..

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JoeyJoeJo:

my imdb.pl isn't getting things like director, rating and plot.. does anyone else have this problem?

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GreyFoxx:

I beleive imdb changed their site breaking some of that info

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GreyFoxx:

but I think I saw a commit to svn fixing it

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jams:

not for sure that was backported to -fixes or not

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jams:

but there is a fix for it

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jams:

I should say a commit was made to fix the issue

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hads:

Yeah, you should be able to just grab the imdb.pl or imdbpy.py script from SVN and use that

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Juzzy:

I have an MSI gf4 ti4400, I've tried nv, nvidia and rivatv. none of them display my card in the mythtv-setup, the v4l and most others always say "Cannot open device" beside the auto probe

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Juzzy:

xawtv opens the tuner np under rivatv

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Juzzy:

I'm pretty sure there's something I'm doing wrong with myth, but I don't know what

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Juzzy:

shouldnt the closed source/binary driver also have the tuner driver?

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Juzzy:

and what would it be called under mythtv-setup

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TheAsp:

Juzzy: v4l is for video input, not output

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Juzzy:

ah so its ok if it says cannot open device?

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TheAsp:

Juzzy: you can't record with a gf4 ti4400...

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Juzzy:

why not?

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Juzzy:

its VIVO

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Juzzy:

works in windows and in xawtv :|

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Juzzy:

the myth status page lists it

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TheAsp:

oh, didn't know it had video in

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Juzzy:

ya this one does

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TheAsp:

sorry, you just sounded seriously confused :)

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Juzzy:

ya, i'm banging my head against the wall for 3 days on it

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Zider:

how does xawtv access it+

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Zider:

?

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TheAsp:

Juzzy: what chipset does it use?

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Juzzy:

so v4l analog is what I need? even though it says probed: failed ot open device

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Juzzy:

philips something, lemme check

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Juzzy:

TheAsp: I installed rivatv drivers, tuner.so

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TheAsp:

Juzzy: ok, the nv/nvidia drivers are only for output though...

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TheAsp:

(the X ones)

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Juzzy:

ah ok, I thought maybe that was the case

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Zider:

Juzzy: philips SAA7108E?

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Juzzy:

rivatv has the tuner drivers

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TheAsp:

Juzzy: does myth have the right permissions?

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Juzzy:

ya Zider

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Juzzy:

TheAsp

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TheAsp:

Juzzy:

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Juzzy:

TheAsp: how do I tell? xawtv runs as non-root user

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Juzzy:

sorry, shift, enter so close together ;o

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TheAsp:

do you run myth as the same user?

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Juzzy:

yep.

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TheAsp:

mythbackend?

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Juzzy:

ran as root

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Zider:

Juzzy: which X driver do you use?

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Juzzy:

I can try as nonroot

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Juzzy:

'nv'

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Zider:

k

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Juzzy:

rivatv complained when i did nvidia

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Zider:

yeah

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Zider:

have you tried telling the module which chip you have?

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Juzzy:

I think it got it by default, I can pass it a card id #

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Juzzy:

ok well I may know what the problem might be

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Zider:

mkay

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Juzzy:

if the probe error is a false alarm

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Juzzy:

I dont have cable, I only have 1 channel dish network feed

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Juzzy:

right now, I have a composite video cable from a wireless camer to test

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Juzzy:

I think it's complaining it cant find channels :|

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Juzzy:

I have the dd/zap info under video source

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Xenocide:

hey can anyone help me with a remote wonder II using the default kernel drivers in ubuntu

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Xenocide:

it works, i can press buttionos in terminal but i can't get it working inside myth frontend

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Xenocide:

anyone?

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sandeen:

irrecord keeps bailing out on me

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Juzzy:

anyone have problems with mythfilldatabase only downloading about half the file from zap2it?

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steve_:

should any 0.20 frontend be able to communicate with any 0.20 backend?

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Captain_Murdoch:

I think there was a protocol change that got put into the -fixes branch at one point, so possibly not. are you having issues?

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steve_:

my Ubuntu frontend (via the Edgy version) can't seem to read my recordings database properly from my backend ( a gentoo version)

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Captain_Murdoch:

is one 0.20 and one pulling the svn -fixes branch? run "mythbackend --version" and 'mythfrontend --version" to see if they are the same.

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steve_:

my main database is still mysql 4.1, and ubuntu brought in the 5.0 client, so i reverted it to the 4.1 client, but no dice

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steve_:

i'll check

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steve_:

backend=0.20.20060828–3, frontend= 0.20.20060828–3

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steve_:

so i guess they are the same

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Captain_Murdoch:

no, that's the library version, there should be more printed than that.

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Captain_Murdoch:

how about "source code version?

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steve_:

backend="exported", frontend="unknown" no help there...

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Captain_Murdoch:

so what is the issue, does the frontend fail to connect or what?

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Captain_Murdoch:

are you viewing the LiveTV Recording Group or "All Programs"?

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steve_:

Captain_Murdoch: sorry for the wait. here's a screenshot of what i see: http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/stevemros/SixWe . . . 444130994898

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Captain_Murdoch:

hads, that's me

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hads:

Oh, hey :)

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hads:

Thanks for looking at the LiveTV group patch

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steve_:

Captain_Murdoch: you can see that it just shows the one show and "All programs" over and over

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Captain_Murdoch:

steve_ you need to check the popup MENU menu and select "change recording filter" and make sure you are viewing all programs and not just all programs in the LiveTV group.

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steve_:

ah ok

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Captain_Murdoch:

hads, no problem. I think I like the idea of keeping all LiveTV in one little area. I rarely use LiveTV anyway, but that makes them easier to find when I do use it.

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hads:

Captain_Murdoch: Yeah, I thought it's a bit easier that way. Did you mean for them to also show up mixed through the other recordings? The (ugly) patch that I submitted only showed them in the LiveTV group, not mixed in with the rest.

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steve_:

Captain_Murdoch: Excellent! that was it. it was defaulted to "Comedy" only for some reason. Thanks!

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Captain_Murdoch:

hads: my mod should make it so that you can toggle between showing them grouped under "LiveTV" or spread out under their regular titles. that is toggleable by using the MENU popup and selecting "change recording view" and then toggling the checkbox for "show Livetv as a group"

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hads:

That's what I thought, but it doesn't appear to toggle here. They are always spread out, plus they are in the group if you select "show livetv as a group"

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Captain_Murdoch:

the individual titles on the left should disappear if you turn on the checkbox because they get moved under the new "LiveTV" virtual title that is created. then if you uncheck that goes away and they should get split out again. I'll doublecheck here again.

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Captain_Murdoch:

this is when viewing the "all programs" filter right?

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hads:

Yep, in the All Programs filter.

[04:10:18]

hads:

Just looked some more. They title groups do disappear, but the shows still show up under All Programs. That's what was confusing me.

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Captain_Murdoch:

I moved a few shows that started with "a" into the LiveTV group and I can sit there and toggle back and forth on that checkbox and can see on the left the title disappearing/reappearing and the LiveTV group disappearing and reappearing.

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hads:

s/They/The/

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Captain_Murdoch:

ah. let me take a quick look at that.

[04:10:57]

Captain_Murdoch:

nevermind, that is desired behaviour.

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hads:

I guess that could be correct since they are "All". Yeah :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

if you have LiveTVInAllPrograms on then they shoudl show. :) right

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hads:

Anywho, thanks much, it's nice to see something that you specifically request get put in :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

well, you did a bunch of the work with the patch. once I saw the idea and the patch I saw how easily it could be hooked up since I've worked in that code quite a bit.

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hads:

Ah, should they be in the Watch list?

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Captain_Murdoch:

may want to exclude them from that.

[04:14:05]

Captain_Murdoch:

are some of yours showing up?

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hads:

Yeah they are.

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hads:

In triplicate even :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

do you compile from SVN?

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hads:

Yeah

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Captain_Murdoch:

guess so, but is it a package. :)

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hads:

Na, just a straight compile

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Captain_Murdoch:

that's a longstanding bug. LiveTV shouldn't be in the watch list really. committing a fix now.

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hads:

Yay.

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Captain_Murdoch:

committed

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hads:

Heh, I doubt some other apps would call that longstanding. The watch list isn't even in a release yet ;)

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Captain_Murdoch:

:) I usually try to stay up on svn head on my systems whenever possible, and I helped test the Watch List before it was committed to SVN, so it seems like a while for me. :)

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hads:

Hmm, did anything you just commit touch the "Start from the Watch List view"?

[04:24:08]

hads:

Yeah, maybe 13112 did

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Captain_Murdoch:

what's up?

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hads:

I think that last commit broke watchListStart

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hads:

As the code jumps to the else clause and sets watchListStart = 0;

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah.

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Captain_Murdoch:

fixing that.

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Captain_Murdoch:

didnt' see it below the long if.

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hads:

Yeah

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Captain_Murdoch:

not sure why he'd set that var everytime through the loop.

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Captain_Murdoch:

testing a fix now.

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rbellamy:

no

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rbellamy:

bluetooth only gets about 1Mbs

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rbellamy:

and is designed to be a Personal Area Network as it only goes out to about 10 meters

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ByteChanger:

lo all.

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ByteChanger:

Can someone tell me if transport ID's are different from Transponder #'s? I'm scanning 119 but the status shows "Scanning Transport DI 216"... it seems to be working though...

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ByteChanger:

DI should be ID ...

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eV64:

map7_home, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV_Nova-T_PCI but i'm leaving

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map7_home:

yeah i've read that, but i'm getting that error

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map7_home:

do i need to make the devices or something?

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gbee:

map7_home: should be created when the driver is loaded

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map7_home:

how can i check if the driver is loaded?

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gbee:

lsmod

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gbee:

and dmesg

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gbee:

is it a Nova-T or a Nova-T 500?

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map7_home:

Nova-T DVB

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map7_home:

Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video

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gbee:

can't remember the complete driver list of the top of my head – but "modprobe cx88-dvb"

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map7_home:

yeah that did something

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map7_home:

i'm not getting that error anymore, still got a long way to go I think before I get a picture :(

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gbee:

you'll need to add cx88-dvb to "/etc/modprobe.preload" so that it is loaded automatically when you reboot

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gbee:

are you trying to get the card to work with mythtv, or just install it?

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map7_home:

yeah i want it to work with mythtv

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map7_home:

i'm using mythedition to make it easier

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map7_home:

it can now see it in the capture card setup in mythtv :)

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gbee:

well your not too far away then :) Need to add a video source, bind the card to the source and then scan for channnels – should work fine then

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map7_home:

ohhh, it's finding stuff :)

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map7_home:

this is exciting

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map7_home:

well it found channels but it will not work yet

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onewheelskyward:

You know it's a late night working when updatedb kicks off and you're still awake.

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hads:

Grr, silly PVR150 generating bad MPEGs

[10:27:12]

onewheelskyward:

Try kicking it.

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hads:

:)

[10:27:42]

onewheelskyward:

Threaten it with firmware violation?

[10:27:51]

hads:

I'm contemplating doing a major OS upgrade on the box tomorrow.

[10:28:08]

onewheelskyward:

Sounds like fun...I try to never do that on a Friday though. Might ruin the weekend.

[10:28:09]

hads:

Depends if I have anything else to do with my Saturday.

[10:28:28]

hads:

It's 22:27 Friday here

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onewheelskyward:

Oh, it's Friday already. :) 03:28 here.

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onewheelskyward:

Aussie?

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hads:

NZ

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onewheelskyward:

West coast US.

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hads:

Go to sleep! ;)

[10:29:40]

onewheelskyward:

yeah yeah...right after these installs. :)

[10:31:09]

hads:

I thought maybe I'd try upgrading the kernel to > 2.6.18 and try the new ivtv version. Not sure exactly what's causing the issue though.

[10:31:33]

onewheelskyward:

I have a 350 running on .19 with ivtv 0.9.1, works like gangbusters.

[10:32:08]

hads:

Mine usually great, every so often it starts generating bad mpegs and needs a reboot to fix it.

[10:32:29]

onewheelskyward:

Oh, I love those problems. My myth box locks up hard once every few weeks.

[10:32:40]

hads:

I should probably check it's not encrusted in dust bunnies too :)

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onewheelskyward:

I might want to do that, too...this card is nearly 4 years old.

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Dagmar:

I just generally assume it's a buggered Makefile

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niter3:

hey is there any support IRC channesl for plutohome guys?

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GreyFoxx:

"#plutohome"

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GreyFoxx:

At least, the channel exists

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niter3:

with nobody there. :)

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niter3:

Oh sorry, except a bot

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onewheelskyward:

Ok, the sun's almost up so it's time for sleep. Mornin', all.

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sid3windr:

is there an addon/patch/feature request for mythmusic to connect to DAAP shares by any chance?

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GreyFoxx:

Any Harmony 520 users around ?

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art4art:

hello

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art4art:

to use mythtv with a tvtuner to watch tv (cable) it is needed to install mysql and apache?

[15:30:00]

janneg:

mysql yes, apache not

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Dibblah:

I can heartily recommend following either the install guide from the mythtv homepage or any of the other guides that have been written. Myth can be a little intense to install without it.

[15:32:03]

Dagmar:

art4art: If you were planing on using Mythtv to "just" watch TV, you need ot use TVTime

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Dagmar:

art4art: MythTV is hateful amounts of overkill if you're never recording things.

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Dibblah:

heh. Jarod's guide is now #3 on a google search for his name :)

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Dibblah:

Damn. Polishing looks really good on Alu – If you've spent enough prep time :(

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art4art:

with tvtime I can make capture?

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Dagmar:

Nope.

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art4art:

I can make a capture with something more easy than mythtv?

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milan:

hey i have a little problem live tv in mythtv freezes sometimes. when i press ESC and start live-tv again it works then, but sometimes the screen turns black after restarting mythtv and then returns to the main menu

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milan:

*after restarting live-tv*

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milan:

btw then after reboot it works fine again

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milan:

but i don't want to reboot always :P

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eulin:

hi all

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Gurft:

Is there a way to just change the color of text in a theme, wihtout making a major modification.

[15:57:28]

eulin:

someone use mythtv on compiz/beryl?

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Gurft:

for some reason Juski's blootube, the grey text is REALLY hard to read on my TV screen, so I wanted to make it white.

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milan:

eulin: i did, and it's not working :)

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milan:

eulin: there is one way to get it working, but when you change to another application, keyboard is not working.

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anykey_:

who needs a keyboard anyway :D

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milan:

i do

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eulin:

milan..I have some problem to hide the gnome-panel...sorry are you italian?

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milan:

eulin: no

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milan:

eulin: i run mythtv only in window, and at this time mythtv is not working at all (see above)

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eulin:

mhh I dont' have problem with keyboard just the panel problem

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milan:

eulin: k but i don't know anything about hiding a gnome panel

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eulin:

ok tnx I 've found this bug report(http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3109) and maybe I can find a solutions with a gconf script

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milan:

can someone help me with the following problem please:

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milan:

live tv in mythtv freezes sometimes. when i press ESC and start live-tv again it works then, but sometimes the screen turns black after restarting live-tv and then returns to the main menu

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milan:

srry pc crashed, but can someone help me with that? would be very nice :D

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Gurft:

FINALLY we have clear video :) swapped in an nvidia 6200 card and I no longer have signal noise

[16:27:44]

Gurft:

tossed the old 5200 card in teh rubbish bin, as i was even getting noise on the VGA out.

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GreyFoxx:

hehe I was just about to go pick up a new card. I was going to get a 5200 instead of the 6200 :)

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xris:

GreyFoxx: my 5200 works great. well, except for xvmc, but I don't think that works well on my 6800, either

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GreyFoxx:

I am not worried about xvmc, but I was setting up another frontend and wanted something that was A: still supported" and B: avoided any overlay issues that I vaguley remember reading about in the 6xxx cards

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GreyFoxx:

my mx440's are no longer support so I'm just gonna use them in headless servers

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echosyp_:

what does this mean: mythbackend: Running housekeeping thread

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GreyFoxx:

myth does some database and other "housekeeping" which gets run every so often

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GreyFoxx:

that's just a log entry about it

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echosyp_:

k

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echosyp_:

im trying to track down my problem

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xris:

echosyp_: what's the issue?

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echosyp_:

when i try and watch tv its all black for a few seconds then returns to the menu

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echosyp_:

i have a log entry that says

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echosyp_:

"Card 2failed init"

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echosyp_:

i don't even know where to start though

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xris:

echosyp_: you running with "-v all"?

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echosyp_:

no

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echosyp_:

all i did was type "mythbackend" in terminal and start the fe

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xris:

turning up the verbosity will help a lot more

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echosyp_:

k

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echosyp_:

im never going to be able to sift through this all

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echosyp_:

i give up

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echosyp_:

i don't need mythtv

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echosyp_:

the only thing in the log for today is that it finished recording channel 1004

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echosyp_:

which i don't have

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echosyp_:

and i didn't schedule to record

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echosyp_:

any ideas anyone?

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Dagmar:

You've probably got bit weevils.

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juski:

them thar damnable bit weevils strike again

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gardengnome:

hey juski

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juski:

I should do some research & formulate some kind of spray or powder you can use to combat thar weevils

[17:01:09]

juski:

hey gardengnome

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echosyp_:

i don't like bit weevils

[17:02:26]

echosyp_:

id rather just have someone help me figure out what isn't working on this machine

[17:02:53]

juski:

missing modules maybe, from the log output you posted

[17:03:04]

juski:

card X can't be initialised

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juski:

not a mythtv problem

[17:03:23]

juski:

but hey if you're all ready to give up why not just do that

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echosyp_:

i followed the guide verbatim

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echosyp_:

for installing the pvrusb2

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juski:

so have you even tested it?

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echosyp_:

might as well, this isn't working

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echosyp_:

how would i test it

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juski:

same way you'd test any other hardware encoding tuner

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echosyp_:

heh

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gardengnome:

suppose there's a manual, read it

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echosyp_:

there isn't

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echosyp_:

i read and followed the installation guide, nothing went wrong,

[17:09:55]

echosyp_:

ok

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echosyp_:

so

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echosyp_:

im still were i was before

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echosyp_:

i have output

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gardengnome:

like, what output?

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echosyp_:

ï¿½ï¿½

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echosyp_:

a bunch of crap

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echosyp_:

nothing readable

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gardengnome:

use mplayer to see if it's outputting something mpeg-ish

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qu0zl:

are you cat'ing it to a file and then trying to play the file echosyp_ ?

[17:11:39]

qu0zl:

you're not just cat'ing it to the terminal screen right?

[17:12:30]

** gardengnome comforts qu0zl **

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qu0zl:

i learn to ask the silly questions thanks to dealing with customers

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gardengnome:

i learned them in here ;)

[17:13:22]

qu0zl:

we'd a customer lose a drive from a raid array of their server yesterday, so they replaced all the harddrives instead of replacing just the one, and reinstalled the whole damn thing

[17:13:24]

qu0zl:

the mind boggles

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qu0zl:

why they thought they'd raid in the first place I don't know :(

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gardengnome:

it's what all the cool kids do.

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Dagmar:

hahah

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Dagmar:

"other people's money"

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echosyp_:

yeah

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echosyp_:

mpayer plays it

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qu0zl:

:)

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echosyp_:

but not mythfe

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xris:

qu0zl: at least you don't have customers return entire machines when the hot-swap hard drive is dead (although I think our tech guys catch that kind of thing these days)

[17:15:29]

qu0zl:

oh dear :(

[17:15:53]

echosyp_:

so the tuner is installed and working properly

[17:15:59]

echosyp_:

its not not cooperating with mythtv

[17:16:13]

echosyp_:

just not*

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echosyp_:

so, how would i go about dianosing the problm in mythtv

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echosyp_:

brb

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tale_:

I'm having problem with dvd playback and mplayer playback is sometimes jerky. I could find a solution to this problem. I've only seen suggestions to run mythfrontend suid. Is there any other fixes?

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tale_:

that should read, "I couldn't find a solution"

[17:26:21]

echosyp:

still nothing

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echosyp:

NVR: Won't work with the streaming interface, falling back

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echosyp:

VIDIOCGMBUF:: Invalid argument

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tale_:

so nobody has had jerky playback of video?

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echosyp:

i can't even watch anything

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echosyp:

id settle for jerky

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ShiftyPowers:

i only have jerky video when playing porn! – SNAP

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ShiftyPowers:

sorry what?

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tale_:

this box dual boots Windows media center and video plays fine in windows

[17:29:40]

tale_:

ShiftyPowers, that would be a feature then?

[17:29:53]

ShiftyPowers:

yes it's a feature

[17:29:58]

ShiftyPowers:

it's in the latest SVN

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echosyp:

what feature will let mythtv work for me

[17:33:58]

tale_:

echosyp, what problem are you having/

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tale_:

?

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GreyFoxx:

echosyp: Ummm.... What kind of capture card ?

[17:37:31]

echosyp:

its a pvrusb2

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echosyp:

it does work

[17:37:48]

echosyp:

but when i try and watch tv i just get a black screen

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GreyFoxx:

And when yoiu run mythtv-setup -> Capture Cards and pull up the card ..... what is the Card Type set to ?

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echosyp:

analog

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GreyFoxx:

Change that

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GreyFoxx:

I'm just looking up what it should be now

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GreyFoxx:

Set it to "Mpeg-2 encoder card"

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Video_ca . . . apture_Cards

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GreyFoxx:

As far as software is concerned your tuner is a PVR x50/500

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echosyp:

i'll try again, but it still did the same thing

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GreyFoxx:

Did you actually restart the backend after making the change in the backend ?

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echosyp:

i didn't have it runningwhen i made the changes

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GreyFoxx:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

And it gave the same VIDEOCMGBUFF error ?

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echosyp:

yeah

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echosyp:

but im seeing something i might not have caught

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echosyp:

when i tested the card

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echosyp:

it was /dev/video

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echosyp:

mythtv says its video0

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echosyp:

that made things worse

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echosyp:

it was right with video0

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echosyp:

any ideas

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cbx33:

hey people

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cbx33:

I'm looking for a tv card supported by myth that will do dvb, and composite input

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cbx33:

any takers?

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xris:

probably easier to get separate analog and digital cards

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sid3windr:

i've got a pinnacle pctv 300i

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sid3windr:

and using it for dvb

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sid3windr:

it can also do analog and composite [composite not tested under linux]

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cbx33:

ahh i need it for linux

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sid3windr:

ye

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cbx33:

xris, ok

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sid3windr:

I'm using the dvb part with linux/mythtv ;)

[18:52:28]

cbx33:

a good card for just dvb then?

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cbx33:

cool

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sid3windr:

and I suppose the composite works as well

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sid3windr:

but I just haven't tried it

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cbx33:

hauppage seem well supporteD?

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cbx33:

everyone seems to get the nova-t range

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sid3windr:

a friend has a hauppauge nova-t usb stick and pretty regularly gets kernel oopses :/

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xris:

cbx33: linuxtv.org should have a good list with comparisons

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cbx33:

i was talking about a proper device :p PCI

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sid3windr:

hehe

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cbx33:

thanks xris

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sid3windr:

should you go for the pinnacle 300i you'll need this: http://www.sid3windr.be/archives/278/dvb-t ;)

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cbx33:

ah heheh

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sid3windr:

been messing with it for a few days until the final clue came, but it's nicely working now

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cbx33:

awesome

[18:56:17]

** cbx33 has $800 for a media PC **

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xris:

cbx33: that's a nice amount of money

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xris:

assuming that's USD

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cbx33:

yeh

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cbx33:

yes

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cbx33:

Â£400

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cbx33:

any recommendations?

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cbx33:

on hardware cases etc

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xris:

silverstone stuff looks nice.

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xris:

but I don't really know..

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sid3windr:

I have a silverstone

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sid3windr:

with lcd and remote

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xris:

there are some nice ones on newegg, but don't know if you can get them in the uk

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sid3windr:

is £400 really $800 these days? Auch, US Dollar.

[18:58:14]

cbx33:

;)

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xris:

sid3windr: usd has really dropped recently

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sid3windr:

I think my silverstone is too expensive on your 600 EUR budget

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sid3windr:

unless you ONLY need the chassis and not the contents :)

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xris:

yeah, they get a bit pricy

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cbx33:

hahahah

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sid3windr:

I actually don't recall the price, but it's 200+ for sure

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** cbx33 needs the whole hardware for Â£400 **

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sid3windr:

with a P3 1GHz in it o/

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sid3windr:

[disclaimer: my backend is on the home storage server, which has quite some more power]

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cbx33:

ahhh i see

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sid3windr:

what I had before, was a midtower placed out-of-sight, and a silver sony external usb2 dvd-rw which was next to the tv, so the only thing you actually saw was that writer. but hiding the tower thingy wasn't easy nor aesthetic :)

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cbx33:

i have a tower i can "hide"

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cbx33:

but the noise is the issue

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Dagmar:

RUbber grommets.

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sid3windr:

ah

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sid3windr:

well, one silent harddisk, a PSU of which you can set the rpm speed for the fan, and an artic cooling silent cooler on the athlon is what I had

[19:04:55]

sid3windr:

and it was actually more silent than the current silverstone setup ;/

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cbx33:

cool

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sid3windr:

this p3 cooler at 5k rpm is bleeping loud

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xris:

cbx33: noise is easy to work around... zalman, etc.

[19:05:26]

cbx33:

yeh

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cbx33:

i suppose

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cbx33:

i mean I have an old machine

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cbx33:

1Ghz

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cbx33:

512

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cbx33:

which i can use

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cbx33:

it's not tiny...and is noisy

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xris:

cbx33: new psu, new fans, new hard drives....

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cbx33:

so i have to decide...spruce up that one...for less dosh.....or make a new pc

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sid3windr:

if you want to do encoding with it it'd recommend a new one

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sid3windr:

:)

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tale_:

is there a list of cards that are compatible with Windows MCE? I would like to get a card that can be used with either linux or Windows MCE.

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Dagmar:

Like we use Windows...

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xris:

tale_: helps if you ask what kind of card.

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xris:

but I can tell you right now that the pvr-150 is the preferred card for mce and mythtv... for analog, anyway.

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cbx33:

xris what is the preferred for dvb?

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tale_:

xris, sorry. I just want to know if there is a list of approved cards for Windows MCE. It's easy to find what is supported by myth

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tale_:

I know this isn't really the group, but I'm building a myth box, I just don't want to be locked in

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xris:

cbx33: no clue. no dvb in the US.

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tale_:

most people here are pretty knowledgable about both windows and linux

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xris:

tale_: there are only a handful of cards that don't have windows drivers, but I doubt if anyone here knows enough about mce to say if it works with any card supported in windows.

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cbx33:

heheh

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immolo:

tale_- nova-t

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immolo:

it had a mce logo on the box so I guess it works :P

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juski:

is it bedtime yet?

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gardengnome:

wish it was

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juski:

my new car stereo might arrive tomorrow :)

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gardengnome:

nice. when is it going to be stolen? ;)

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gardengnome:

i should get one, too

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gardengnome:

but i've got only one CD i listen to all the time so it's a waste

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juski:

ah this one has USB ;)

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gardengnome:

wow

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gardengnome:

then i could have one USB key with all my stuff.. suppose 32M would be sufficient

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Milosch:

my car stereo has the habit of acting like a buzzer with the laser assembly

[19:41:45]

Milosch:

everytime I turn of the key – bzzzzzzzzz

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Milosch:

but, it's a pos factory radio

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DaveMorris:

quick question. I'm using DVB chanel listings and its been working fine for ages, but now I have no listings, do I just need to run the filldatabase scripts again to get them back?

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DaveMorris:

actually the problem is because the table has crashed

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juski:

mysqlcheck to repair duff tables :)

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juski:

oh and restoring backups can be good too

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juski:

yeah BACKUPS, remember them?

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DaveMorris:

yeah, I'm not actually backing that database up yet :/

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DaveMorris:

found some instructions to repair via the myphpadmin program

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juski:

mysqlcheck mythconverg -u mythtv -p

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DaveMorris:

once its fixed I need to run what to re populate it

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juski:

you're using EIT – you should only need to run mythbackend

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juski:

course even using EIT only you should still run mythfilldatabase otherwise the housekeeping stuff won't get done

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DaveMorris:

restart it or will it auto do it?

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juski:

shouldn't need restarted

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DaveMorris:

I need a new backend as this one is too slow!

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juski:

though you should ideally stop mythbackend while messing with the database IMHO

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juski:

not that I imagine much harm can come in your case

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DaveMorris:

I'll get hit by the other for interpreting her show

[19:51:57]

DaveMorris:

its worked fine anyway now

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DaveMorris:

cheers for your help guys

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juski:

no probs. it's about all anybody is gonna get out of me tonight. I'm SO tired it's unbelievable

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juski:

I hate CCTV trade shows but most of all marketing departments!

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juski:

list of 5 units to take to a show.. day before they pack it all up, they ask for more. fuckers

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juski:

anyway, it's time to go & enjoy some mythtv

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harzi:

i have a pvr-500. when watching tv and there are moving banners, the screen-output become flickering

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harzi:

i have tried all deinterlacing methods, kernel seams to be the best, but still anoying

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harzi:

same when play-back recorded tv

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harzi:

but only when there are moving banners...

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ASiDiE:

hey all!

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ASiDiE:

anyone here pulling down dish epg.... you guys having any issue with taht?

[20:34:34]

ASiDiE:

that?

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ASiDiE:

grayfoxx.. wasn't it you that submitted the eit patchs for dish?

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ASiDiE:

:( anyone?

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gardengnome:

well

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gardengnome:

ask a real question, then someone might be able to help

[20:40:29]

gardengnome:

also, his name is "greyfoxx" :)

[20:41:21]

ASiDiE:

ok.. I am having an issue where when I try to pull down dish epg.. it works.. but there are gaps in the channel listing.. just like missing programs... anyone else seeing this?

[20:41:53]

ASiDiE:

if I try it with my theatre.. the guide pullds down just fine.. and all the shows are there.

[20:44:35]

ASiDiE:

Friday is probably not the best time to be asking questions.. :)

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gardengnome:

heh

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gardengnome:

greyfoxx is usually her.e. or you might wait a bit

[20:46:03]

gardengnome:

maybe sone knows the answer

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gardengnome:

i don't :)

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ASiDiE:

but I could be wrong

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j-rod:

any fc6 users with an x86 box sporting a dvb-bt8xx-driven card I can talk into trying something out for me?

[20:49:32]

milan:

hey i have a problem mythtv always records everything i watch

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j-rod:

that's how it works.

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Captain_Murdoch:

That's the 'R' in PVR/DVR.

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milan:

lol

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milan:

so it's normal?

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j-rod:

yes

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milan:

ok

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milan:

i thought something was wrong :)

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ASiDiE:

hehe

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ASiDiE:

thats a feature.. not a problem :)

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milan:

lol good feature (!)

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milan:

i don't need that 'feature'

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Captain_Murdoch:

if you are talking about LiveTV programs, they will be deleted automatically if you need space or after 24 hours by default.

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milan:

ah that's good :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

just turn off the setting that says "show livetv in 'all programs'" and you won't even see them anymore.

[20:52:23]

ASiDiE:

captian_murdock.. do you know if there were any new patched to the dish eit stuff?

[20:52:38]

ASiDiE:

new patches

[20:52:46]

Captain_Murdoch:

ASiDiE: no, am not familiar with that code at all so I don't track it.

[20:52:53]

sid3windr:

milan: it allows you to pause your live tv and stuff, it's nice

[20:52:53]

ASiDiE:

k... thanks.

[20:53:19]

Captain_Murdoch:

ASiDiE: run a "svn annotate" on the file or look in track at it's revision history and you'll see.

[20:53:34]

ASiDiE:

will do.

[20:53:41]

milan:

sid3windr: ok, but i don't need it ;) but if it's not eating my HDD, it's fine

[20:54:17]

Captain_Murdoch:

milan: LiveTV programs are the first to get deleted if you get low on disk space.

[20:54:48]

milan:

that's good :)

[20:54:49]

Captain_Murdoch:

LiveTV programs less than 2 minutes get deleted within a few minutes so if you are channel surfing you won't end up with 50 recordings 20 seconds long.

[20:55:08]

milan:

ah

[20:55:22]

milan:

so if i understand, windows MCE does the same for buffering the live tv

[20:55:31]

milan:

but you don't see it

[20:55:44]

milan:

(lol new to linux)

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j-rod:

you can have your recordings screen not show live tv programs by default

[20:55:51]

gardengnome:

yay, MS doing stuff behind your back ;)

[20:56:08]

milan:

lol

[20:56:20]

gardengnome:

in your living room! :)

[20:56:35]

milan:

and can someone also help me with the fact that sometimes i can't start livetv (screen turns to black, and then back to the main menu)

[20:57:14]

gardengnome:

with all this new blue ray stuf, you can never be quite sure if your DVD player doesn't flip you the bird when you turn around

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flithm:

hey everyone... if I accidentally upgraded to svn (0.21), and forgot to backup my database before upgrading... is it dangerous to downgrade? will it downgrade the database automatically or am I kinda screwed?

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n33o:

hi.. I need to configure card.

[21:05:24]

n33o:

does anyone know how to get phillips card chipset workin?

[21:05:26]

Sesse:

hi. how do I enable realtime commflagging? it always seems to start after the recording is done

[21:05:50]

Gurft:

Sesse: I didn't know there was even an option for realtime commercial flagging...

[21:05:57]

Sesse:

Gurft: 0.20 release notes mention them

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n33o:

gurft.

[21:06:09]

Sesse:

"Improved realtime commercial flagging by trying to stay 7 seconds behind recordings instead of 120"

[21:06:11]

n33o:

any idea how to get card working?

[21:06:21]

Sesse:

and someone mentioned they broke at some point _before_ 0.20

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hads:

flithm: I don't think downgrading is supported

[21:06:56]

n33o:

card

[21:07:09]

n33o:

generic

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n33o:

chipset

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flithm:

hads: okay... thanks I guess I'll have to stick with svn for now :)

[21:07:42]

hads:

Are you having problems with it?

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n33o:

anyone know how to do this?

[21:09:46]

Sesse:

Gurft: I guess it's not realtime per se, just commflagging while recording is still active

[21:09:49]

flithm:

hads: no... actually... works fine so far!

[21:09:51]

n33o:

can anyone help me find card number?

[21:10:02]

n33o:

not sure where to loook

[21:10:15]

hads:

flithm: Wouldn't worry about it then :) Enjoy the new features.

[21:10:30]

flithm:

hads: yeah I guess eh. :)

[21:11:35]

n33o:

how do i instal myth tv using apt – get ???

[21:11:50]

Gurft:

n33o: what distro?

[21:11:54]

Gurft:

Ubuntu or Debian?

[21:11:59]

n33o:

UBUNTU 6.06

[21:12:13]

Gurft:

n33o: I used this guide: http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php

[21:12:20]

n33o:

says packaged damaged when i apt-get

[21:12:26]

Gurft:

n33o: it's for 6.10

[21:12:40]

Gurft:

Are you stuck at 6.06 for any reason?

[21:12:56]

n33o:

gurft.. im currently tryign to use tvtime .. not working any does myth tv auto detect card?

[21:12:56]

Gurft:

and have you enabled multiverse?

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Sesse:

Gurft: edgy is... slightly edgy at times :-)

[21:13:03]

n33o:

hmm

[21:13:07]

Gurft:

n33o: No you'll need to configure it.

[21:13:14]

n33o:

i have downloaded stuff from multiverse before

[21:13:18]

Gurft:

Sesse: I've had nothing but good luck,,, once I figured out the qwerks.

[21:13:19]

hads:

Edgy isn't edgy

[21:13:37]

hads:

Feisty is only a month away

[21:13:43]

n33o:

gurft take a look at this...http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=311756

[21:13:53]

n33o:

apparently i need to do this to my card

[21:14:03]

Sesse:

Gurft: I'm not saying it's broken. I'm just saying it has significantly more quality issues than dapper has, which is a good reason for using dapper if you're a bit conservative.

[21:14:08]

n33o:

but i cant find the (*&(*&%$^%$ number

[21:14:08]

Sesse:

feisty will probably be better.

[21:14:53]

Gurft:

I like to live on the edge ;)

[21:15:04]

Gurft:

n33o, it might not be a supported card, what kind of card is it?

[21:15:37]

hads:

Feisty has been stable for me for a few months now, but then so was edgy, and dapper.

[21:16:24]

Gurft:

Yea, I've had the same experience iwth Edgy, although I'm not running any oddball hardware or doing anything... strange. I build my own kernels and modules anyways so from a support standpoint, I use edgy for package management and basic tools ;)

[21:16:36]

Sesse:

btw, has anyone gotten 16:9 to work? I've set DisplaySize, but I really cannot get myth to stretch or compress stuff right.

[21:16:44]

Sesse:

not even the default gui

[21:17:06]

Gurft:

Sesse: how are you attached to teh TV? Svid or DVI?

[21:17:06]

Sesse:

(but perhaps that doesn't support stretching :-) )

[21:17:09]

Sesse:

Gurft: svideo

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hads:

Just use a widescreen resolution and a wide theme

[21:17:27]

Sesse:

hm, does the pvr350 support a widescreen resolution?

[21:17:33]

hads:

No idea

[21:17:35]

Sesse:

all the FAQs say I should just set DisplaySize

[21:17:43]

Sesse:

but it seems to be a no-op for me

[21:18:00]

Gurft:

I know the 350 supports widescreen, I"ve seen it in person... how to configure it...

[21:18:34]

hads:

SD CRT sets don't really do widescreen resolutions though do they? THey just stretch the picture.

[21:18:36]

n33o:

Havent a clue what kind of card

[21:18:42]

n33o:

but know what chipset

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Sesse:

hads: yeah

[21:18:49]

n33o:

the chipset is supported

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n33o:

by tvtime

[21:18:54]

Sesse:

hads: so what I ideally want, is just to set my tv to 16:9 (stretch) all the time

[21:19:04]

Sesse:

hads: and have mythtv figure out the right zooming and compression

[21:19:04]

n33o:

but i need to know card number to be able to run it

[21:19:11]

n33o:

not sure exactly

[21:19:14]

n33o:

how to do this

[21:19:14]

hads:

That's what I do with our Philips CRT

[21:19:19]

n33o:

im quite a noob to linux

[21:19:21]

Gurft:

n33o: but you won't be able to figure out hte card number unless you know what kind of card you have.

[21:19:24]

n33o:

from windoze

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hads:

Sesse: Are you using a wide theme?

[21:19:35]

Sesse:

"horizontal resolution" doesn't really exist for s-video anyhow

[21:19:36]

Sesse:

hads: no

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Gurft:

n33o: Check for an FCC ID on the card and look it up in the FCC database.

[21:19:43]

hads:

Do that

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n33o:

fcc id

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n33o:

ok

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Sesse:

hads: will it affect the tv stretching at all?

[21:19:56]

Gurft:

n33o: or see if theres any other markings that may make it apparent what kidn fo card it is

[21:20:01]

n33o:

brb..shut down

[21:20:04]

Gurft:

n33o: search google for combinations of the chip numbers on the card.

[21:20:09]

** Gurft out for DINNER! **

[21:20:23]

n33o:

oh and where are the numbers most likely to be/

[21:20:23]

n33o:

?

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hads:

Sesse: Just set the TV to do 16:9 all the time and use a widescreen theme.

[21:20:50]

hads:

That should work

[21:21:08]

Sesse:

hads: so, you're saying that the theme decides mythtv's idea of aspect ratio?

[21:21:12]

Sesse:

that souds odd.

[21:21:15]

Sesse:

sounds, even

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hads:

If the video doens't fit right I believe there are options in the TV Settings to adjust that

[21:21:37]

Sesse:

I've tried them already

[21:21:39]

n33o:

0520001636

[21:21:48]

n33o:

this number was on a sticker on the card

[21:21:53]

Sesse:

oh well, I can live with using the zoom on my TV, I guess

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n33o:

not brb.. going to try this number.. dont really want to restart

[21:22:31]

n33o:

lol

[21:22:34]

n33o:

http://toshokan.city.fukuoka.jp/FOCLIB/servle . . . p;btn_flg=02

[21:22:36]

n33o:

great

[21:22:40]

n33o:

a site in chinese

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n33o:

lol!

[21:22:43]

n33o:

aaaarght

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n33o:

ok i think i may have found it..... http://www.gamedude.com.au/prod_show.php?art_no=capSTtv_cap

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n33o:

HAHA!

[21:40:29]

n33o:

Found

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n33o:

pretty sure

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n33o:

http://www.sunsway.com.hk/photo/tv-fm.jpg

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n33o:

card

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n33o:

ok so i found the kind of card.. now what?

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n33o:

anyone here?

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bill_k:

me

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bill_k:

?

[21:53:59]

bill_k:

but i haven't been following your problem

[21:56:06]

onewheelskyward:

Me too, but I don't know anything.

[21:56:49]

hads:

heh

[21:57:04]

onewheelskyward:

it sounds like you need to find the chipset of the card you have, and see if it's supported by myth and any of it's ancillary drivers, like ivtv.

[21:57:20]

onewheelskyward:

hads: How's the rebuild going?

[21:57:42]

hads:

Yeah... I still haven't decided if I want to :)

[21:57:52]

onewheelskyward:

If it ain't broke...

[21:57:57]

hads:

Yeah

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bill_k:

lol

[21:58:39]

hads:

I'm doing a new minimyth compile, that'll take a few hours anyway.

[21:59:11]

n33o:

can anyone help

[21:59:21]

n33o:

i need to get this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=311756 working

[21:59:28]

hads:

I'm also waiting to see what happens with Feisty, looks like they are going to pull in ivtv 0.10 before release.

[21:59:46]

n33o:

for this.. http://www.sunsway.com.hk/photo/tv-fm.jpg

[22:00:04]

n33o:

on ubuntu 6.06

[22:00:30]

hads:

I wouldn't mind trying to get the MCE IR blaster working when I do the upgrade too as the new Lirc supports it.

[22:00:43]

bill_k:

n33o, arent there instructions on the link you just pasted?

[22:00:51]

hads:

Maybe I should wait until my wife goes away :)

[22:01:01]

bill_k:

hads, are you using a hauppauge! ?

[22:01:27]

hads:

A PVR150 card and Microsoft MCE remotes

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hads:

(silly confusing naming)

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Sesse:

fwiw, I found out how to enable realtime commflagging

[22:02:36]

Sesse:

you have to enter mythtv-setup and do it from there

[22:02:47]

Sesse:

"Start Auto-Commercial Flagging jobs when the recording starts", near the end of the general setup

[22:02:58]

hads:

Ah yes.

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bill_k:

i have the pvr150 with the hauppauge remote. still in a box, sadly i had to return to college before getting a chance to set it up

[22:03:50]

Sesse:

I could never figure out what the difference between mythtv-setup and the other setup is, but I guess it's related to frontend vs. backend somehow

[22:04:00]

onewheelskyward:

I'm a big hauppauge PVR fan. They've been good to me for the last 11 years.

[22:04:30]

bill_k:

it does look nice, too bad they went through that thing of reboxing hvr's a pvr150's

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bill_k:

i was lucky to get a real 150 from newegg i guess

[22:05:56]

onewheelskyward:

What's that all about? The difference, I mean?

[22:06:19]

hads:

The HVR isn't supported by ivtv

[22:06:25]

onewheelskyward:

Bloody hell.

[22:06:33]

onewheelskyward:

That's just mean. :)

[22:06:35]

bill_k:

hvr uses a conexant chip that there is no linux driver for

[22:06:38]

hads:

Yeah, kinda major :)

[22:06:51]

bill_k:

conexant wont give the ivtv devs the info on it

[22:06:59]

onewheelskyward:

Pulling a creative, eh?

[22:07:03]

bill_k:

lol

[22:07:14]

onewheelskyward:

Is Hauppauge selling their own PVR software? I mean other than the bundled crap?

[22:07:19]

hads:

It was a temporary thing though correct?

[22:07:24]

onewheelskyward:

Maybe they struck a deal with Sage TV or something.

[22:07:40]

bill_k:

dunno, gb-pvr is always there for windoze users

[22:07:50]

bill_k:

is there a significant increase in quality with the mpeg2 encoder cards, knowing my computer is an amd 2100+ with a gb ram (do i even need more than .5gb?)

[22:08:06]

bill_k:

like the pvr-350

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onewheelskyward:

I'm not sure, I've always used a 350.

[22:08:28]

onewheelskyward:

I can tell you that the CPU utilization will be about 2% with the encoder chip.

[22:08:31]

hads:

My main FE/BE is only an AMD1500+ with 521MB, it works fine

[22:08:45]

hads:

erm, 512 that is.

[22:08:58]

bill_k:

ok

[22:09:00]

onewheelskyward:

And the TV out on the PVR uses the decoder, so you save CPU there as well.

[22:09:27]

bill_k:

well, i'm using dvi to hdmi =)

[22:09:37]

bill_k:

and a geforce4 ti4600

[22:09:43]

bill_k:

spare parts

[22:09:49]

hads:

Using an FX5600 the CPU usage during playback is ~25%

[22:10:03]

Sesse:

onewheelskyward: you can use TV out on the PVR without the decoder too, just for the tv out. :-)

[22:10:11]

xris:

bill_k: the tuner in the hardware encoder cards is generally of higher quality than the ones in framegrabber cards.

[22:10:11]

hads:

and commflagging about the same again

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bill_k:

xris, thanks, are you a pvr-350 user?

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onewheelskyward:

bill_k: Your spare parts pile makes mine look like a pile of crud.

[22:10:45]

bill_k:

ha

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dorao:

in the tuner card setup, what is the v4l for?

[22:11:05]

dorao:

I'm using a pvr 350 btw

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bill_k:

my ideal setup would be a card with dvi, hdmi, or component in as we have a comcast digital cable box. my pvr-150 has a blaster and i've read firewire can be used to change channels too

[22:11:27]

juski:

hey I can smell BS

[22:11:28]

Sesse:

onewheelskyward: did you ever have any issues with the audio on the pvr350 being real low?

[22:11:31]

t0ny-p40:

F***ing cableone

[22:11:32]

bill_k:

anyone heard of cards that have those inputs?

[22:11:39]

Sesse:

I have to crank up the volume a lot.

[22:12:10]

onewheelskyward:

Sesse: Nope, it worked beautifully.

[22:12:11]

juski:

the hvr series of cards will eventually be supported in the linux kernel. until such a time you need to avoid buying em :)

[22:12:14]

bill_k:

juski, what bs?

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onewheelskyward:

Sesse: I haven't used the TV/audio out on the PVR for a couple of years though.

[22:12:59]

xris:

bill_k: no, but I would dissuade you from paying so much for a card that just gives you tv out, when an nvidia card gives you better output for less $$$.

[22:13:01]

hads:

bill_k: Can't you use firewire directly for video?

[22:13:08]

juski:

the new conexant video chip on the hvr cards won't be supported by ivtv anyway, just FYI

[22:13:21]

bill_k:

hads, not from the comcast cable box (motorola something)

[22:13:26]

** gardengnome waves at juski **

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xris:

it's also discontinued hardware, and not likely going to be well-supported from mythtv in the future.

[22:13:44]

** juski waves back but isn't staying long **

[22:13:53]

hads:

bill_k: I thought that was a regulation (you're in the US right?)

[22:13:54]

xris:

bill_k: huh? I use firewire just fine from comcast

[22:14:05]

bill_k:

xris, for video in?

[22:14:10]

xris:

bill_k: um, yeah

[22:14:11]

onewheelskyward:

That's funny. They used to say the PVR output was better than NVidia. :)

[22:14:30]

juski:

onewheelskyward: that's funny. pvr350 used to be a better option

[22:14:35]

bill_k:

xris, cool. so now i have 2 tuners. and the same firewire 400 cable is used for channel changing?

[22:14:40]

xris:

bill_k: what else would you use it for?

[22:14:56]

Sesse:

hm, I've never been able to get decent tv out from any nvidia card under linux, really.

[22:15:01]

Sesse:

the pvr350, otoh, just worked.

[22:15:09]

bill_k:

i thought you used an analog out on the cable box to a analog capture card and just used the firewire to signal the box to change channels

[22:15:12]

juski:

Sesse: never had any issues with gf4 cards

[22:15:18]

xris:

Sesse: dunno. anything 5200 and up works great with the flicker filter, etc.

[22:15:21]

hads:

Nvidia TV out works great here

[22:15:32]

xris:

bill_k: no.. fcc regs mandate firewire ports for any HD box.

[22:15:34]

juski:

GF2 cards & their ilk on the other hand... ugh.. they were icky

[22:15:41]

bill_k:

cool =)

[22:15:57]

xris:

comcast is a franchise (meaning results differ around the country), but in the seattle area, you get every channel you pay for, HD and SD, premium, etc.

[22:16:03]

Sesse:

xris: oh well, I don't use mythtv's pvr350 output anyhow, I just use the software decoding to the ivtv x.org driver.

[22:16:12]

bill_k:

does myth have a driver for that? (i'm on ubuntu edgy) or would mythdora or knoppmyth be easier?

[22:16:28]

xris:

bill_k: driver for what? firewire? yeah, it's been around since .19, I think

[22:16:48]

bill_k:

cool, so it's an mpeg2 stream through the firewire?

[22:17:24]

xris:

yup

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hads:

That's such a cool regulation.

[22:17:30]

xris:

and for motorola boxes, control of the box

[22:17:59]

xris:

hads: when it works. it's been in effect for years and there are still cable providers who fight their customers about it.

[22:18:00]

** onewheelskyward has a cable-modem sized cable tv box. No firewire there. **

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bill_k:

nevermind, found it http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire

[22:19:23]

hads:

We have Analog OTA or Sky here. Getting DVB SD to replace the Analog OTA in a month or so. No HD untill at least next year.

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[22:19:49]

milan:

HELP! I can't change the channel i'm watching

[22:19:55]

bill_k:

hads, are you in the us?

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milan:

i always have problems with mythtv :(

[22:20:06]

hads:

bill_k: New Zealand

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bill_k:

wow, all over the world

[22:20:44]

juski:

hey it's funny but I can count the number of problems I have with mythtv on one hand :)

[22:21:05]

gardengnome:

mind you, juski is a mutant.

[22:21:11]

hads:

You're so helpful juski

[22:21:22]

milan:

juski: lol i need 20 hands

[22:21:28]

juski:

yeah I'm a freak who RTFMs on products I don't even own yet

[22:21:49]

juski:

I RTFM of mythtv like 2 weeks before I'd even downloaded a linux cd

[22:21:50]

gardengnome:

actually, i can count the number of problems i have with mythtv on one hand, too

[22:21:54]

gardengnome:

in binary.

[22:22:23]

** sokminer takes note that juski seems to be an educated consumer :) **

[22:22:28]

hads:

I might have a niggle or two, that's about it

[22:22:44]

juski:

my backend stops every week or so for reasons unknown, but I'm gonna keep blaming that on the distro

[22:23:21]

onewheelskyward:

I tend to get halfway through my first failed make before reading INSTALL.

[22:23:28]

juski:

well maybe not every week, but maybe twice a month or less

[22:23:39]

onewheelskyward:

juski: I have that problem too. I blame my hardware.

[22:24:39]

milan:

does anyone know why i can't change my channels? and one minute ago i could?

[22:24:54]

juski:

well, in my case it's either mythtv or ubuntu, and I know which I detest more ;)

[22:25:05]

juski:

milan: you lost your remote control? ;)

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milan:

juski: know i have it here :P

[22:25:24]

milan:

know = no

[22:25:28]

juski:

without seeing any log output we're all at a loss how to help

[22:25:42]

onewheelskyward:

milan: maybe lirc went down.

[22:25:44]

bill_k:

!paste

[22:25:57]

milan:

onewheelskyward: also not working with keyboard

[22:26:15]

milan:

i can select a channel but when i press enter it stays on the same channel as where it was before

[22:26:26]

onewheelskyward:

milan: Is your cable hooked directly to your tuner card?

[22:26:26]

juski:

are the channels still there?

[22:26:26]

milan:

:'(

[22:26:35]

juski:

do you use an IR blaster?

[22:26:40]

juski:

need more input!

[22:26:45]

milan:

channels are still there

[22:26:54]

onewheelskyward:

Johnny 5: Need Input!

[22:26:55]

milan:

whats an IR blaster?

[22:27:14]

bill_k:

(probably not using it) :)

[22:27:25]

juski:

milan: something to change channels on a set top box

[22:27:31]

juski:

nevermind

[22:27:36]

milan:

don't have a set top box

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hads:

stone--->blood

[22:27:55]

juski:

so quit out of live tv & try going back into it

[22:28:06]

dorao:

how do you remove a tuner card in mythtv-setup?

[22:28:08]

milan:

juski: i did

[22:28:14]

milan:

juski: and i did reboot

[22:28:20]

dorao:

I tried 'delete all capture cards' and nothing happened

[22:28:44]

milan:

well i'm leaving maybe i have more luck tomorrow with linuxmce :P

[22:28:56]

juski:

you can highlight a single tuner card entry and press D, which is kinda weird, what with the letter 'D' being the first letter of the word 'delete' and all

[22:29:02]

bill_k:

does linuxmce use myth?

[22:29:09]

juski:

bill_k: yes

[22:29:14]

bill_k:

cool

[22:29:17]

dorao:

juski thanks

[22:29:19]

dorao:

I'll give it a shot

[22:29:24]

bill_k:

why isn't the delete key mapped to that too?

[22:29:41]

juski:

if I hear one more thing about that unavailable thing I swear I'm gonna buy some more kittens to drown

[22:29:55]

bill_k:

savetoby.com

[22:30:02]

bill_k:

reminds me of that

[22:30:55]

milan:

yes uses mythtv but everything should work out of the box :P

[22:31:01]

milan:

SHOULD :P

[22:31:02]

milan:

lol

[22:31:19]

milan:

bye all

[22:31:40]

gardengnome:

hope he chockes on MCE or something.

[22:33:45]

sid3windr:

does mythfrontend log somewhere?

[22:33:49]

sid3windr:

I don't have any sound it seems

[22:33:55]

sid3windr:

at least not on livetv

[22:34:01]

sid3windr:

I set up /dev/adsp in the config

[22:34:39]

gardengnome:

it'll log if you tell it to- use mythfrontend -l <somelogfile>

[22:35:09]

sid3windr:

I see

[22:35:13]

** sid3windr oogles **

[22:35:44]

bill_k:

what's the controversy around mce?

[22:36:23]

juski:

linuxmce... ?

[22:36:39]

gardengnome:

bill_k: it's evil because it's microsoft. clichees rock

[22:36:39]

juski:

mostly claims nobody can substantiate

[22:37:14]

bill_k:

gardengnome, oh i thought you were talking about linuxmce

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[22:37:22]

gardengnome:

bill_k: no

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juski:

'just works out of the box.. detected all my shit automagically, and wonderously figured out which IR codes to control my TV set... " yeah.. RIGHT!

[22:37:39]

gardengnome:

i've actually missed that completely. suppose i don't really wanna know about it either :)

[22:37:54]

bill_k:

ok. thinking of microsoft makes me want to puke, mostly because i used it for so long

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juski:

just put it down to digg / slashdot hype & nothing else

[22:38:32]

juski:

I know I'm a born skeptic but hey let's be realistic

[22:39:08]

juski:

anyway have you *seen* the demo video & screenshots? it looks a bit poo despite bending the tv guide around a frigging cube

[22:39:16]

juski:

</rant>

[22:39:39]

gardengnome:

um

[22:39:55]

gardengnome:

bending the TV guide around a frigging cube.. that reminds me of some german shop selling mythtv boxes

[22:40:07]

gardengnome:

i meant to introduce them to the forums but i never really did it

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hjohnson:

I wonder how long until the apple TV is hacked.

[22:40:46]

hjohnson:

and used as a mythfrontend.

[22:40:46]

juski:

well, it's more or less what it does.. you page up & down in gallery screens & it uses a cube thing

[22:40:55]

juski:

looks like there's way too much stuff onscreen anyway

[22:41:00]

sokminer:

beryl ?

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Dagmar:

Just as long as people aren't asking how to instll MythTV on the freaking thing

[22:41:20]

juski:

sokminer: probably

[22:41:37]

sokminer:

sounds like eye candy UI.....

[22:41:58]

juski:

just think how many 'great' things that have ever been slashdotted / dugg & what they actually turned out to be like

[22:42:57]

juski:

anyway we're just continuing to fuel the hype by discussing it, so I'm ducking out

[22:43:07]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: i already did that to my other belongings

[22:43:19]

juski:

gardengnome: yeah ubunutu can make you do that ;)

[22:43:28]

gardengnome:

heh

[22:43:29]

dorao:

I get a blue line at the top of my tv viewing screen...

[22:43:35]

dorao:

how can that get fixed?

[22:43:35]

Dagmar:

God I have a "user" trying to test the Gnome 2.18 packages

[22:43:46]

sokminer:

i tought ubuntu would just fix it with the access tothe repo

[22:43:57]

gardengnome:

dorao: use xvattr to make it black :)

[22:44:04]

Dagmar:

What *makes* people download and install 150+ packages when I'm posting daily to the devel list that it's all broken?

[22:44:06]

juski:

dorao: you need to read the FAQ, search the wiki & use xvattr

[22:44:12]

dorao:

thanks

[22:44:48]

juski:

got some free time coming soon – I might dip into the wiki & pay it some much needed attention

[22:44:51]

gr33npho3nix:

anybody here familiar with video/audio encoding and nuvexport, every time I encode a file from mythtv (nupplevideo to any) i don't get sound

[22:44:57]

Dagmar:

I think perhaps I should be referring them to some sort of dominatrix website for a more straightforward form of self-abuse and degradation.

[22:44:59]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: people are only reading the user list :)

[22:45:01]

juski:

.. or I might just be a typical user & do absolutely nothing

[22:45:03]

sokminer:

Dagmar: m$ trained folks that know no better ... more MUST be better

[22:45:47]

Dagmar:

gardengnome: If there's a dropline *user* mailing list, I've never seen it

[22:46:07]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: yeah, because you developer bastards are a bunch of elitists. :)

[22:46:18]

Dagmar:

HAL and dbus are so on fire they don't even recognize who owns the console, so all the stuff that would otherwise work through those are broken

[22:46:28]

juski:

cruel elitists who slay noobs for fun, I might add

[22:46:37]

juski:

:D

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gardengnome:

gr33npho3nix: how exactly do you transcode it?

[22:47:19]

Dagmar:

The most forward-thinking word I've said on the devel list about it all was "gamma".

[22:47:26]

gr33npho3nix:

gardengnome: i've used dvix, xvid, mp4 all through nuvexport

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Dagmar:

mp3 support probably fell off the truck somewhere in there

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: AFAIK, nuvexport does dependency checking. which doesn't mean it can't be broken :)

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Dagmar:

I havent' noticed it checking that the programs it calls are working for beans

[22:49:23]

gr33npho3nix:

well i'm on ubuntu can you recommend some packages to install to try and fix the audio

[22:49:57]

Dagmar:

You could swap ffmpeg out for GNU fortune and it would still act like everything's fine up to the point where you're pulling shards of flaming phosphorous coated glass out of your eyes

[22:49:59]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: true.

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: no. actually, it'll tell you if your ffmpeg is missing xvid support and stuff AFAIK.

[22:50:37]

Dagmar:

This is because it believes what ffmpeg says

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gr33npho3nix:

yeah it does tell you if support is not compiled into ffmpeg

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: ugh. sounds ugly.

[22:51:02]

Dagmar:

Yes and if this support is *broken*, ffmpeg doesn't know

[22:51:25]

Dagmar:

So long as it can get at things with the right sonames it's happy as can be, until it tries to process data

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Dagmar:

If just having the right sonames mattered, I'd have a working GNOME desktop right now.

[22:52:22]

gr33npho3nix:

well it looks like it transcodes fine, but when i watch it there's no sound

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Dagmar:

Try watching it on another machine to be *very* sure the problem isnt' with playback

[22:53:02]

Dagmar:

Just make a one minute recording and test with that

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gr33npho3nix:

Dagmar: four different players (MplayerOSX, VLC, quicktime, dvix ) all video but no sound

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Dagmar:

Different _machine_

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Dagmar:

As in "one with a different library for mp3 playback"

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gr33npho3nix:

well i can dust off my windows laptop but thats just gonna use quicktime

[22:56:30]

juski:

well, time for bed. maybe I'll wake up less nasty

[22:56:39]

juski:

night all

[22:56:41]

gardengnome:

juski: unlikely. have a bitter weekend! :))

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gr33npho3nix:

Dagmar: so thats an ubuntu box and a mac that it won't play sound on

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Chicago:

I'm having a problem while watching a recording. After I press 'm' during playback, I select "Adjust Picture" because I have XV controls enabled in the setup. When I choose 'colour' from the adjust picture submenu, I see my colour is set at '50%' and if I adjust it, the value immediately changes to '-1%' and stays stuck there.

[23:14:57]

sid3windr:

is there a way to enter extra cities into mythweather?

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sid3windr:

my home town is present on msnbc.com but I can't find any city in belgium even in the list presented

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Chicago:

I'm seeing XVideo picture adjustment problem in the 20_p13053 ebuild for gentoo on x86.

[23:19:58]

gr33npho3nix:

can anybody suggest a way to determine if mythfrontend plays sound if you don't have physical access to the machine?

[23:21:01]

Chicago:

gr33npho3nix: When you start liveTV... myth sets the volume of the mixer and pcm if you have 'internal controls' checked.

[23:21:28]

harzi:

i have a pvr-500. when watching tv and there are moving banners, the screen-output become flickering

[23:21:28]

Chicago:

gr33npho33nix: When you start livetv, you'll see in the myth log whether it successfully captures the mixer for the master and for the pcm.

[23:21:48]

gr33npho3nix:

ah thanks

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Chicago:

gr33npho3nix: If you have the network remote control enabled, you can start liveTV from away... and see what you get.

[23:22:40]

Chicago:

gr33npho3nix: Don't worry if there's an error getting the mixer for Master 1.

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gr33npho3nix:

Chicago: yeah i know it plays video, but i guess it could just not be recording any sound and have a blank track

[23:23:39]

Chicago:

Well... why would it just stop recording sound? Does your dmesg output for IVTV look right?

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t0ny-p40:

Any one know anything about the ati tv wonder 200

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gr33npho3nix:

Chicago: dunno i set the whole thing up remotely

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Chicago:

Are any of you testing on Gentoo linux?

[23:24:55]

gr33npho3nix:

nope i'm on feisty

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t0ny-p40:

Chicago, I

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t0ny-p40:

'm running gentoo

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Chicago:

t0ny-p40: Are you testing with the 20_p13053 ebuild?

[23:26:10]

t0ny-p40:

How do I check?

[23:26:14]

t0ny-p40:

emerge -p mythtv?

[23:26:19]

Chicago:

yeah

[23:26:19]

t0ny-p40:

-pv

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t0ny-p40:

One second I'm doing a sync

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Chicago:

t0ny-p40: or ls -l /usr/portage/media-tv/mythtv/

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smro1:

t0ny-p40: i was thinking of giving that a try, is it still masked?

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t0ny-p40:

[ebuild R ] media-tv/mythtv-0.20_p12172

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t0ny-p40:

Whats new in that one?

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Chicago:

t0ny-p40: I don't know 'what's new'... but I'm looking at a bug over here and wanted to have someone with a similar configuration see if they can reproduce it.

[23:48:51]

t0ny-p40:

Whats the bug?

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Chicago:

t0ny-p40: Over here, when I adjust the color from the adjust picture menu while watching a recording... the current 'colour' is set at 50% and any time I try to adjust it, it immediately changes to -1% and cannot be changed.

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onewheelskyward:

Hey, I just found out that xmltv is more accurate than my cable box's own listings. Yay for mythtv!

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Chicago:

onewheelskyward: cool

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