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Chicago:

In my myth-log I see an error "mixer unable to find control Master 1" How do I tell myth the mixer for Master 1 is the HW mixer on my emu10k1 card?

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defaultro|away:

hi Chicago, are you in Chicago?

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Chicago:

defaultro|away: Just outside of Chicago. :)

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defaultro|away:

but you are in IL?

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Chicago:

defaultro: 15 miles from IL.

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defaultro|away:

ah, i'm 40

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Chicago:

cool :)

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defaultro|away:

anyways, do you have time, I have an off topic question :)

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Chicago:

we're both in hsd1.il.comcast.net

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Chicago:

go ahead.

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defaultro|away:

it's funny question but people might laugh at me too :)

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Chicago:

You're kidding right?

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onewheelskyward:

where or when?

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defaultro|away:

nope

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defaultro|away:

i'm serious

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defaultro|away:

I don't want the condensing unit to beaten up by the sun

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defaultro|away:

during summer onewheel

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Chicago:

Well the exact degree from due west isn't going to always be the same... but the sun always sets in the west.

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onewheelskyward:

It depends on your latitude.

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defaultro|away:

i don't need exact, just estimate

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defaultro|away:

like in winter, I noticed that it's southeast then to southwest

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defaultro|away:

my house is facing east

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defaultro|away:

so i would like to know what side has the most shaded part during summer

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defaultro|away:

that's where Iwill put the condensing unit

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onewheelskyward:

Where are you?

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defaultro|away:

i'm in IL

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onewheelskyward:

My guess would be north, with as much shading from the west as possible. Why don't you ask one of your neighbors that's been there for a while?

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defaultro|away:

we are in new community

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onewheelskyward:

Ok, but people have been living in IL for a long time. It won't be that different down the road.

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defaultro|away:

i was trying to recall in my old house but I couldn't remember

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defaultro|away:

yes, you are correct

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defaultro|away:

i didn't pay attention to it

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onewheelskyward:

Try google maps. take a look at the shadows.

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defaultro|away:

oh

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defaultro|away:

i didn't know that they have those features

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defaultro|away:

where are you Chicago, you kept quiet

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onewheelskyward:

The satellite feature can tell you a little bit.

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defaultro|away:

k

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onewheelskyward:

No, Oregon. Portland.

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defaultro|away:

no onewheel, Chicago is a nick handle

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onewheelskyward:

Do you have a deck? Overhang?

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onewheelskyward:

Oh. hehe

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defaultro|away:

none

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onewheelskyward:

Build one. :)

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defaultro|away:

so you said that north will have more shade?

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onewheelskyward:

That would be my _guess_.

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onewheelskyward:

It's true here.

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eV64:

hey, barrington il here

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defaultro|away:

hey

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defaultro|away:

wow

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defaultro|away:

you are just 20miles from me

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eV64:

well i'm in college in milwaukee

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defaultro|away:

I always attend at WillowCreek Barrington

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defaultro|away:

maybe, you can help me eV64

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defaultro|away:

still there?

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eV64:

yeah, sorry

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eV64:

defaultro, what's going on?

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eV64:

defaultro|away, what's going on?

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defaultro|away:

just need to know where sun rises and sets during peak of summer

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defaultro|away:

can someone kick my other account so I can change to it please?

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onewheelskyward:

You can if your nick is registered.

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defaultro|away:

i tried msg but it says in use

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eV64:

defaultro|away, no idea

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defaultro|away:

:P

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defaultro|away:

or maybe, I have incomplete parameters

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defaultro|away:

i just wrote /nick defaultro

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onewheelskyward:

I'd try google, too. sun position in summer, or something like that. This has to be documented somewhere.

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Chicago:

defaultro|away: I had a calculus professor in college who did that rise/set problem in a class once... you can figure it out with two parametric equations.

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Chicago:

I don't remember which two though.

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onewheelskyward:

You want it easy, and served to you on a silver platter? :)

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defaultro|away:

when is the hottest? Is it July?

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Chicago:

august

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onewheelskyward:

August, typically.

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defaultro|away:

ok

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defaultro|away:

I'll enter August 10

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eV64:

we're not weathermen, stop being lazy :-p

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onewheelskyward:

As in 'The dog days of'

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jams:

if you have room on the north side of the house place it there.

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defaultro|away:

yes, I do

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CharlieSu:

anyone use gentoo and 2.6.20? i'm having a problem with ivtv

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Chicago:

CharlieSu: Are you on ~x86 for your arch?

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jams:

you will find that the east,south,west will have more direct sunlight then the north side

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CharlieSu:

Chicago: yes.. i am.. but i'm getting a super silly error.. let me pastebin it.. sec.

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defaultro|away:

jams, I noticed that during winter. My south wall gets full sun from morning to afternoon

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defaultro|away:

jams, but I don't know during summer since I have only lived here for 6 months in the new house

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Chicago:

CharlieSu: You should use the x86 arch and then keyword your ~x86 packages... otherwise you just get to help fix bugs.

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jams:

you will find that occurs in the summer as well =)

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Chicago:

CharlieSu: IVTV works fine on the stable x86 kernel gentoo-sources-2.6.19-gentoo-r5.

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defaultro|away:

jams, what occurs, the sun beating the south wall?

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eV64:

Keep Your Air Conditioner Out of the Sun

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eV64:

The ideal location for a central air conditioning unit is on the north side of a house. While this may not be practical in every case, the general idea of keeping the unit out of the sun can be achieved in other ways. <br><br> Landscaping does more than make your yard look nice. By planting shrubs or trees around your air conditioning unit, you can help it cool your home more efficiently. The shade from this landscaping can also be used to

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eV64:

keep the sun's direct rays off your home!

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defaultro|away:

ev64, that's exactly why i was asking :)

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eV64:

i googled air conditioner, side of house, and sun

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CharlieSu:

Chicago: check that out

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defaultro|away:

I want to put the A/c condensing unit in properly location

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onewheelskyward:

Bury it.

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defaultro|away:

hahaha

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Chicago:

CharlieSu: line 27

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CharlieSu:

Chicago: gotcha

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defaultro|away:

Also, I remember in my old house, I think during summer, it sets in northwest. Am I correct?

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defaultro:

glad it timed out

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onewheelskyward:

Seriously. subterranian cooling is a big thing, very efficient. I have a friend with a system that circulates a liquid in pipes through the ground...it keeps the house at 68 degrees even when it's 110 out.

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jams:

defaultro|away- where in chicago area are you located?

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defaultro:

jams, I am in Huntley

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defaultro:

looking

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eV64:

geothermal

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eV64:

defaultro, use google

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onewheelskyward:

That's the one.

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jams:

heatpumps also have a much higher upfront cost associated with them

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Chicago:

I have a mythtv issue. :)

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CharlieSu:

Chicago: thanks..

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Chicago:

welcome. :)

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jams:

defaultro- nice area, only been through once or twice

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defaultro:

thanks

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defaultro:

where are you at?

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Chicago:

When the general settings for the sound device are ALSA:default and the mixer is 'default'... myth isn't able to get control for Master from the mixer.

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jams:

right now i'm in milwaukee, work in schaumburg

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defaultro:

i worked in schaumburg for 1.5 years as security/network consultant

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jams:

well work from the home office, and drive into the schaumburg office once a week

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defaultro:

my other work is about 20 minutes from gurnee

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defaultro:

I'm in vernon hills now

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Chicago:

I'm near Gary.

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Chicago:

:(

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defaultro:

That's far right

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jams:

Gary isn't far in terms of distance, but it will take you a few hours to drive there from Huntly

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

I was at Schaumburg last Sunday specifically at IKEA :)

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jams:

yes IKEA is a popular spot

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defaultro:

just found this link. It says that condensing unit should be in north, http://www.leeric.lsu.edu/energy/ee_home/

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defaultro:

yep, there is one in 88 too

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defaultro:

don't know if that link will work with IL

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onewheelskyward:

They're building an IKEA here in Portland. It will be nice to save the 5 hour round trip it used to be. :)

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defaultro:

yes

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defaultro:

that's great news

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defaultro:

so when is mythtv .21 going to be out?

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onewheelskyward:

When it's ready. And not a moment before.

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onewheelskyward:

If you want to speed it along, help out with some bug validations/fixes.

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defaultro:

don't know c++

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onewheelskyward:

Yeah, I'm a little rusty on it, too.

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defaultro:

:)

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Smirnov:

c++ is awesome

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onewheelskyward:

Heck yeah. I was raised on C*.

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Smirnov:

hey i dont wanna sound like a heritic but any plans for mythtv on windows

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onewheelskyward:

So far I think mythweb is serving that need.

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defaultro:

i don't think so

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jams:

Smirnov- yes but nobody wants to work on it

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Smirnov:

whats the problem

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defaultro:

there is a frontend and you can use a driver which calls vlc

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Smirnov:

dependencies on libraries that can't be ported to win32?

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Smirnov:

onewheelskyward: yea, my dads building an HTPC but he wants it to play blueray :-|

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onewheelskyward:

Yeesh. Tell your dad he's too bleeding edge for me.

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defaultro:

there you go, dsmyth

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defaultro:

that's what I installed and it's working

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defaultro:

i just wanted to see how it connects to the backend

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defaultro:

:)

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defaultro:

smirnov, i think you can decrypt blueray and transfer evo files to mthtv

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defaultro:

use mythvideo and call mplayer

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Smirnov:

defaultro: too much trouble

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Smirnov:

how about someone filling me in on mythtv not working on win32

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defaultro:

there is no solution right now to use the blueray players on linux

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onewheelskyward:

Smirnov: Check with the developers.

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defaultro:

but using mplayer to play evo files, yes

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Smirnov:

oh yeah forgot there was a separate dev channel

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defaultro:

i reconfigured mplayer to support evo files

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Smirnov:

defaultro: are there straightforward methods to rip blueray and hddvd now?

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Smirnov:

without losing quality?

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defaultro:

Smirnov, Ihave seen an example quality and it's phenomenal

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defaultro:

You can donwload a trailer but forgot the site

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Smirnov:

thats not what i asked:)

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defaultro:

there is not a straightforward method

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defaultro:

but they are getting better and better

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defaultro:

and a lot of people have been very lucky backing up their originals

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Smirnov:

see, the reason i like mythtv is cause its so straight forward

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: haha!

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SlicerDicer-:

thats amsuing

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SlicerDicer-:

I am more concered about the hardware in the appletv

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defaultro:

hey Slicer

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onewheelskyward:

:D

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defaultro:

what's up? Long time no see

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SlicerDicer-:

not much just been busy

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defaultro:

hardware in appletv? never heard? run it by me

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Smirnov:

ok does anyone know why mythtv hasnt been ported to win32?

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SlicerDicer-:

cause windows sucks and nobody cares?

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SlicerDicer-:

;-)

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defaultro:

I don't think it will be ported like how we answered earlier

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SlicerDicer-:

naw actually its something to do with QT I would bet

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SlicerDicer-:

Smirnov: I really dont know but try tapeworm!

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Smirnov:

mythtv has a qt dependency?

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SlicerDicer-:

of course

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defaultro:

Windows is not good in playing HD too

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Smirnov:

really? i thought there was an opengl option

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SlicerDicer-:

QT draws mythtv

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defaultro:

it is always at flat 100% cpu when playing HD files

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SlicerDicer-:

its required

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Smirnov:

yeah.. but im certain there was opengl option

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Smirnov:

or is that just qt rendering /w opengl?

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SlicerDicer-:

well of course for making fading windows and shit as far as I know

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SlicerDicer-:

but the base deps are QT

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SlicerDicer-:

qt sql plugin is required too

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Smirnov:

isn't there a qt win32 port?

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SlicerDicer-:

building mysql support into qt rather

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rbellamy:

i'm running a frontend across the network, and i get the following error:

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SlicerDicer-:

thats how the frontend/backend talks to mythtv from what I understand

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sigger_:

Smirnov, fyi there was a win port being worked on but it just didn't get finished. lost support

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rbellamy:

NVP: prebuffering pause

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Smirnov:

and isnt there a qt/windows port

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defaultro:

Smirnov, just use linux, it's easy

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sigger_:

Smirnov, there's a qt for win I believe

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defaultro:

what's wrong with linux?

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Smirnov:

http://www.trolltech.com/developer/downloads/qt/windows

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SlicerDicer-:

rbellamy: that afaik has nothing to do with network that has to do with playback ability of the machine or at least when I have seen it

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SlicerDicer-:

rbellamy: that with me was when the cpu was underpowered for running HD

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rbellamy:

hmmmm

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rbellamy:

it's a regular mpeg2

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SlicerDicer-:

rbellamy: however I did do some tweeking to my G5 and got it to play 1080i but still from time to time in rapid movement gets prebuffering pause

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SlicerDicer-:

yeppers

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SlicerDicer-:

raw mpeg2 dump via firewire

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rbellamy:

aha

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rbellamy:

i was testing out the frontend functionality of watching live tv on the frontend via a backend pvr-150

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defaultro:

I wish I can trick the stb so it thinks that linux is a DTCP device

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rbellamy:

it is a laptop

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: linux is too powerful ;-) its so powerful it litterally sucks the internet through his wall an he winds up with dumptrucks in his living room its horrible

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rbellamy:

but it's not a slow laptop

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sigger_:

so Smirnov, how's your c++ coding abilities?

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: I seen it a 1000 times... sad man sad

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Smirnov:

DTCP?

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Smirnov:

sigger_: i part time programmer full time student :-)

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defaultro:

Slicer, I didn't get what you mean by your long post

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: it was a joke ;-)

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sigger_:

soooo... porting to win would be a great senior project

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defaultro:

Smirnov, I think it's DCTP

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defaultro:

it's a negotiation protocol

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Smirnov:

sigger_ sorry i was thinking more along the lines of an arm microkernel

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: yeah I have all the SD premiums 5C as well as HBOHD

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defaultro:

so that it will send the signal as clear and rather than encrypted

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SlicerDicer-:

however showtime SD is 5C but Showtime HD is not!

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** SlicerDicer- boggles **

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defaultro:

yep, I remember that

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: however I do have hauppauge to capture the SD

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defaultro:

ah :) then you won't have problems

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SlicerDicer-:

nah

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defaultro:

oh

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defaultro:

SD, i tthought you said analog

[02:24:29]

SlicerDicer-:

eh?

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Smirnov:

how hard it is to port mythtv to win32? ill tell my rommate to do it lol

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defaultro:

how hard is it to convert a microwave into a dryer

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rbellamy:

i would think it would harder than most ports

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defaultro:

:)

[02:25:02]

rbellamy:

heh

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sigger_:

tell him you'll give him $50. I guaranty folks will kick it in++.

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rbellamy:

lol

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Smirnov:

why

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Smirnov:

wont someone tell me why its so hard to port to win32

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: well you can nuke clothes look at uncle buck ;

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SlicerDicer-:

LOL

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defaultro:

if i were, if you installed linux the time you log in, you could have mythtv running by now :P

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defaultro:

LOL

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defaultro:

Smirnov, knoppmyth

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sigger_:

I've gotten to know the some of the code a little bit, and I don't think its as hard as defaultro says.

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rbellamy:

Smirnov: have you read any of the blogs or commentary about Vista and DRM?

[02:26:41]

Smirnov:

defaultro: havent we gone over this, i need it to run on windows for blueray support

[02:26:58]

Smirnov:

rbellamy: um sure i read that long article about why vista drm is the new devil

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rbellamy:

Microsoft does NOT make it easy to replay media... you basically have to have your own codecs, or abide by their DRM rules

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SlicerDicer-:

cool rbellamy

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sigger_:

but there's differences in the filesystem; the multi-threading; the codecs. I'm sure I could think of some other things.

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SlicerDicer-:

Smirnov: so you want to run blueray in mythtv? I dont think thats going to happen

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SlicerDicer-:

Smirnov: are you wanting a backend for windows or soemthing?

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SlicerDicer-:

cause AFAIK the backend was never working on being ported it was a frontend

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SlicerDicer-:

like I said I dont know for sure

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Smirnov:

SlicerDicer-: no but i expect i could launch a program that will play blueray like mplayer is launched now

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Smirnov:

rbellamy: ok so what, i didnt ask about vista?

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rbellamy:

SlicerDicer-: why no BlueRay? I'm not up on BlueRay in linux...

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sigger_:

idea = mythtv + DVD player

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SlicerDicer-:

rbellamy: I am talking playback

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rbellamy:

Smirnov: Vista is just the culmination of MS's poor choices WRT codecs etc....

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Smirnov:

ah who cares about vista anyways, people dumb enough to run it have issues :)

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rbellamy:

Smirnov: XP has terrible issues with DRM and codecs... where one players codec will step all over anothers, WITHOUT NOTIFICATION

[02:30:15]

Smirnov:

well yeah i know about that

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Smirnov:

but supposing all the codecs were installed properly

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rbellamy:

heh

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rbellamy:

who's codecs?

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rbellamy:

do you know of ANY non-free codecs on windows that are worth a damn, AND LEGAL?

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rbellamy:

scuse

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sigger_:

dunno what differences there might be in how they're called...

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rbellamy:

s/non-free/free

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Smirnov:

xvid?

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rbellamy:

vlc too, i guess

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rbellamy:

they have their own codecs

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rbellamy:

heh

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rbellamy:

well

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rbellamy:

now i'm on both sides of the discussion

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Smirnov:

why do codecs matter again? if you're smart enough to install mythtv, you can google for codecs lol

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rbellamy:

i'm gonna shutup

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sigger_:

mythvideo can use vlc, but mythtv canno AFAIK

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rbellamy:

sigger_: really?

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knowledgejunkie:

rbellamy: libavcodec, libmpeg2, xvid, huffyuv, ogg, theora...

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Smirnov:

sigger_ whats wrong with the filesystem as long as its using posix calls everything is ok

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rbellamy:

knowledgejunkie: i stand corrected

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Smirnov:

mythtv plays live video right?:

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rbellamy:

i'm talking like a i know a lot about it... when really, i'm just guessing...

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sigger_:

mythtv plays live/recorded tv

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Smirnov:

i could be wrong but when you buy the video capture card doesnt that come with drivers to play live video?

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rbellamy:

cuz i haven't looked at mythtv's code...

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sigger_:

capture cards captures; players are unrelated (tho readily available)

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rbellamy:

knowledgejunkie: which player do you use on windows?

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knowledgejunkie:

rbellamy: media player classic and vlc

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rbellamy:

nice

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rbellamy:

i pretty new to this whole thing (my first load of mythtv backend/frontend was just this week)...

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knowledgejunkie:

rbellamy: and mythtvplayer to watch MythTV recordings :)

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rbellamy:

learned about vlc last week

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rbellamy:

it's about roxor as you get

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rbellamy:

knowledgejunkie: so... mythplayer HAS been ported to windows?

[02:36:03]

rbellamy:

i didn't know that...

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knowledgejunkie:

rbellamy: mythtvplayer (not MythTV) has limited functionality, but allows you to at least watch recordings easily

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rbellamy:

nice

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knowledgejunkie:

rbellamy: see http://www.sudu.dk/mythtvplayer/

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rbellamy:

that looks really cool... will it play live tv?

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rbellamy:

is there a consenus on the best ir blaster for ubuntu?

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defaultro:

what if we guys want to watch our recordings via web and our client machine is behind a proxy firewall?

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knowledgejunkie:

rbellamy: never tried, but it's listed on the future features page (you did look at the webpage, right?)

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defaultro:

what are some solutions?

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rbellamy:

heh

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rbellamy:

yes...

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rbellamy:

and saw it on the future feature page

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knowledgejunkie:

rbellamy: good to see :)

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rbellamy:

and noted that there had been a tag 2 days ago

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rbellamy:

so... you know how developers are...

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rbellamy:

new feature

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rbellamy:

no doc

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rbellamy:

:)

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rbellamy:

time to eat!!!

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rbellamy:

:)

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rbellamy:

ttyl

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defaultro:

onewheel, I have some pictures last year when my house was being built. Date is July 14. The sun in the afternoon is beating my northwest wall

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defaultro:

onewheel, but I don't know which time of day is hottest, is it morning or in the afternoon?

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onewheelskyward:

Here it's around 5pm.

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defaultro:

5pm is the hottest?

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onewheelskyward:

Yes, but we have low humidity here.

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defaultro:

gotcha

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onewheelskyward:

Sometime between 3 and 6 would be a good guess.

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defaultro:

I read some websites which suggest to put the condenser in the northside. However, looking at my pictures, the north side will be beaten up by the sun in the afternoon starting July

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onewheelskyward:

shrubs are key.

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defaultro:

yep

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defaultro:

so now, I'm thinking of putting the condenser in the south side. It's because in the other picture, southside is getting the shade

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defaultro:

I also see other houses in my neighbors, it's in the southside

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GreyFoxx:

Blah

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onewheelskyward:

Sounds like good research.

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defaultro:

yep

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defaultro:

glad I had EXIF in the images

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defaultro:

hey GreyFoxx

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defaultro:

so looks like the northside is not for me then

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GreyFoxx:

Yo

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defaultro:

GreyFoxx, I've been doing research as to where I should put my condenser :)

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defaultro:

I was about to tell the installer to put it in the northside based from the research I've found. However, I saw last years picture during month of July and August, northside during afternoon is beaten up by the sun

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echosyp:

yeah buddy

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GreyFoxx:

What;s the condenser for ?

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onewheelskyward:

His server rack.

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GreyFoxx:

ahh

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defaultro:

GreyFoxx, A/C

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defaultro:

:)

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onewheelskyward:

You mean it's not even computer related?

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defaultro:

huh

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echosyp:

mythtv is telling me to cancel an in progress recording in order to watch live tv

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echosyp:

but i don't have any recordings

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Smirnov:

i dont like it when that happens

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echosyp:

how do i fix it!?

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echosyp:

im noob

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echosyp:

obviously

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Smirnov:

does mythtv work with HTPC LCDs?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Smirnov: You mean the character LCD/VFD on the front of the computer (usually for MCE)?

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Smirnov:

J-e-f-f-A: no i mean the standard 800x600 LCDs that come on the front of the high-end HPTC cases

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Smirnov:

err, 800x480

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Smirnov:

basically running a full-screen mythtv "info" thing in the second monitor

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J-e-f-f-A:

Smirnov: Aren't they just VGA monitors connected to the vga output? If so, you'd probably just need an appropriate modeline.

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Smirnov:

yeah pretty much, but does mythtv support a secondary UI being run ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Smirnov: Humm... Don't know about that... I don't think so, but then again, I dunno...

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Smirnov:

well then its not much use eh

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J-e-f-f-A:

Smirnov: I'm sure you could write something! ;-)

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Smirnov:

no but i'd gladly donate $50–100

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J-e-f-f-A:

I'm not up to the task... :-(

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J-e-f-f-A:

Smirnov: Humm... I wonder if you could specify a different video device for playback — which would be your tv/monitor, and have the menus show up on the 'internal' vga display.

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JosX:

I got my PCTVPCI card I am wondering If I can find out if its compabitable or not

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J-e-f-f-A:

JosX: If it's supported by V4L (Video4Linux), it will work with MythTV.

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JosX:

hmmm, looks like I need to google a few more things agani

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JosX:

Thx J-e-f-f-A

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J-e-f-f-A:

JosX: NP. If it's got a Brooktree chipset (BT8***), then it's most likely supported, via software encoding.

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Chicago:

How do I set my video timing method to RTC? I'm seeing Video timing method: DRM in my logs.

[03:39:30]

SirTuxalot:

Does anyone have problems with multiple video capture cards and lirc? I am setting up a mythbox with 2 PVR-250s and I thought I saw somewhere that there could be issues with lirc.

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promacuser:

i'm having an issue with v.20 at the moment. sometimes, a recorded program will skip the commercials and then all of the sudden decide not to update the video and basically just play the audio at double speed or triple speed or something.

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promacuser:

does anyone have a similar problem or know anythign about it?

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SirTuxalot:

I am also having another problem. While running the front end, I keep getting the following error message. "Could not connect to the master backend server--is it running? Is the IP address set for it in the setup program correct?" The front end and back end are on the same machine, and I have the entries set as localhost under General setup on both front and back ends.

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sandeen:

how can I stop/delay/postpone mythcommflag running right now?

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sandeen:

or otherwise control when it runs...?

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SirTuxalot:

okay, i will give that a try...thanks

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SirTuxalot:

setting to 127.0.0.1 didn't seem to help...what should show up when doing a netstat -a

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J-e-f-f-A:

SirTuxalot: The backend is running, right? (ps -ef |grep mythbackend)

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achew22:

how do people in here feel about linuxmce?

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J-e-f-f-A:

achew22: I haven't heard of it... is it new?

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achew22:

J-e-f-f-A, its something... its I guess a linux distro (not sure) but it apparenly is the linux version of windows mce based around mythtv

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achew22:

xris, how do you feel about linuxmce?

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SirTuxalot:

no, actually, even though trying to start the backend says its running, it does not show up in ps -ef

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hi xris! ;-) Picked up an ipod Video 80GB — Now I'd like to setup transcoding jobs from myth... ;-)

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: mp4 exporter for nuvexport works fine

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achew22:

SirTuxalot, when you run mythbackend does it say the socket is spoken for? what is it called....

[04:04:56]

echosyp:

why is mythtv telling me to stop a scheduled recording to watch live tv

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echosyp:

i don't have any scheduled

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Awesome, thanks.

[04:05:19]

xris:

achew22: no clue what it is

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SirTuxalot:

it doesn't mention a socket, however, it does mention that the capture cards are not installed...which is true, however I figured it should still try to connect to mysql without the cards

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achew22:

J-e-f-f-A, and xris " LinuxMCE is a free, open source addon to Ubuntu including a 10' UI, complete whole-house media solution with pvr+distributed media, and the most advanced smarthome solution available. It is stable, easy to use, and requires no knowledge of Linux and only basic computer skills. " it sounds like vaporware to me

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SirTuxalot:

would the lack of installed cards be my problem?

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xris:

achew22: wtf is a 10 foot UI?

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achew22:

i don't know I asked the same thing when I read it

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J-e-f-f-A:

hehe

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echosyp:

why is mythtv telling me to stop a scheduled recording to watch live tv

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achew22:

echosyp, you don't have enough tuner cards to both record the program your recording and watch live tv

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echosyp:

im not recording anything

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J-e-f-f-A:

echosyp: Or maybe permissions on /dev/video0 ?

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achew22:

do you not have any tuners in the computer?

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echosyp:

yes i have tuners

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echosyp:

pvrusb2

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echosyp:

tuner*

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achew22:

echosyp, are they configured in mythtv-setup?

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echosyp:

it detects it and everything

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achew22:

go to information center -> system status -> tuner cards

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Captain_Murdoch:

10' UI is a UI that is usable from 10' away. course that doesn't take into consideration whether you TV is 13" or 10' diagonal. :) maybe that's in whatever spec they use to describe that.

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echosyp:

it said it couldn't connect to the backend

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achew22:

if you want to watch the video they have a link on their site http://www.linuxmce.com

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achew22:

echosyp, thats your problem...

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echosyp:

but when i run mythtv-setup it says its running

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achew22:

echosyp, go to the command line and type ps aux | grep mythbackend

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JosX:

This looks like its gonna be fun, alot of people had trouble with the card I have :(

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echosyp:

its there

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achew22:

are you configured to be connecting to localhost?

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echosyp:

no its not

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achew22:

I beleive thats under general

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echosyp:

thats the grep command i just ran

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achew22:

okay, so mythbackend is running?

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echosyp:

i thought so, but its giving an error

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echosyp:

so no

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xris:

nice. so he plugged a bunch of open source apps together...

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echosyp:

mythbackend: Problem with capture cards: Card 2failed init

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achew22:

xris, abomination?

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achew22:

echosyp, does it say anything more?

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xris:

achew22: it's basically just a box running plutohome

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echosyp:

ChannelBase(2) Error: InitializeInputs():

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echosyp:

Could not get inputs for the capturecard.

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echosyp:

Perhaps you have forgotten to bind video

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echosyp:

sources to your card's inputs?

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echosyp:

sorry

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achew22:

xris, thats too bad

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achew22:

xris, but his box can use vodo to turn on the tv....

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xris:

so can myth, no?

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achew22:

xris, I don't have an irblaster so I wouldn't know but I assume so

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Netslayer:

anyone run mythtv with XVMC for hd playback?

[04:18:39]

xris:

Netslayer: xvmc works like crap for me

[04:18:55]

Netslayer:

is that the thing that makes all the menus black and white?

[04:19:04]

achew22:

does anyone have any tips for echosyp, I've never used USB tuners so I wouldn't know where to start

[04:19:13]

Netslayer:

just reading up on it now as it may allow my p4 2.4 box to playback hd

[04:19:32]

xris:

Netslayer: I can't play back SD with xvmc enabled

[04:19:51]

Netslayer:

why that's odd

[04:19:51]

xris:

I can watch recorded (but not live) hd without it on my 2.4G p4

[04:20:02]

Netslayer:

that's exactly what i'll be doing

[04:20:05]

Netslayer:

it's a frontend only

[04:20:37]

achew22:

Netslayer, just go for it and try it. if it doesn't work then try to find a solution. Noone is chasing you, why run? ;-_

[04:20:58]

achew22:

xris, can pluto control a hvac system or AC/heat system?

[04:21:22]

echosyp:

should i run mythtv-setup again?

[04:22:38]

suNit:

I was wondering what the best tv tuner for myth tv is, any suggestions???

[04:22:41]

xris:

achew22: no clue

[04:22:51]

xris:

I'd assume that their commercial version can

[04:23:05]

achew22:

xris, that certainly looks intersting

[04:23:40]

suNit:

I was also wondering if you could use speakers hooked up to the pc for sound

[04:23:46]

achew22:

xris, I have a quick question. If a organization I work with started building mythtv boxes and I put in my contract that if they used open source they would have to make a donation to the project, who should I send money to?

[04:23:50]

echosyp:

i was wondering what i should set the channel frequency table to

[04:23:54]

echosyp:

its at default right now

[04:24:24]

xris:

achew22: isaac doesn't accept money

[04:24:41]

xris:

and has resisted the idea any time I suggest that "mythtv" should get a bank acct to manage funds

[04:24:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

echosyp: What's your source (tuner and cable/antenna/etc?)

[04:24:47]

achew22:

xris, I know, but who do I send it to — its in my contract and I have this money

[04:24:58]

echosyp:

i have a wintv-pvr usb 2

[04:25:05]

echosyp:

im using basic cable

[04:25:08]

xris:

achew22: you could always buy a keg of beer for each dev. :)

[04:25:13]

xris:

seriously, I have no clue.

[04:25:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

echosyp: Then set it to US-CABLE (assuming you're in the US!)

[04:25:30]

echosyp:

i am

[04:25:41]

achew22:

xris, will you guys accept that? I'd be happy to but it would be hard justifying it to my boss since I'm under 21 and it would totaly look like I was looking for a party

[04:26:05]

achew22:

xris, will you give me a link to your wishlist

[04:26:25]

Chicago:

nVidiaVideoSync: Could not open device /dev/nvidia0, No such file or directory... Why would I see this error when watching a recording if I don't have an nvidia card?

[04:26:29]

achew22:

does kormoc take money? I'd love to send something his way, he helped me a lot along the way

[04:26:42]

echosyp:

its adding channels

[04:26:42]

echosyp:

wooo

[04:26:46]

echosyp:

thats a step up

[04:27:03]

xris:

achew22: no clue. he's afk for the week, though (doing mysql training)

[04:27:12]

xris:

achew22: pm

[04:27:58]

SirTuxalot:

okay, i installed both cards and I am in mythtv-setup but it can not probe the cards

[04:28:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

suNit: Best tv tuner really depends where you are located, and what you want to record. In the US, the Hauppauge PVR-150 (single-tuner) and PVR-500 (dual-tuner) are the best for Analog TV.

[04:28:32]

echosyp:

"cannot create a file /var/lib/mythtv//.test – directory is not writable?"

[04:28:55]

echosyp:

i said yes to fix it, but it just brought my back to the main mythtv-setup menu

[04:29:42]

Chicago:

echosyp: You have an extra /.test written in setup somewhere... make a directory writable or owned by your myth user and group... and choose it to be the place you want myth to write to... /var/lib/mythtv//.test probably isn't where you want it to be anyway.

[04:29:45]

Captain_Murdoch:

saying 'yes' means let me go back and change the directory I typed in, not 'yes, let mythtv-setup fix it'. mythtv-setup can't write to the directory, how could it fix it?

[04:30:35]

echosyp:

Chicago, where do i change this

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achew22:

echosyp, "chmod 777 /var/lib/mythtv" will fix it. that changes the permission so that everyoen can read write and access the folder

[04:32:09]

Chicago:

echosyp: step 1: find which user and group you have for myth in your /etc/group and /etc/passwd files... then... create a new folder which is owned by that user and group. step 2.) go back through the mythtv-setup and mythtv-frontend setup and change the paths where you want myth to write files.

[04:32:48]

suNit:

can they display hd?

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eV64:

is a athlonxp 2600+ w 2gb ram fast enough to do transcoding and commercial flagging with a framegrabber (no mpeg2 encoder) card?

[04:33:59]

xris:

eV64: you didn't specify a time-sensitive task, so yes.

[04:34:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

suNit: A TV tuner doesn't display, it records. No, the PVR-150 and 500 are SD only. There are a few choices in the HD arena – PCTV HD-5500 is great, and there are others that are supported too.

[04:34:10]

achew22:

xris, did you get those messages?

[04:34:21]

xris:

achew22: no. looks like you're not registered with nickserv

[04:34:25]

xris:

you should do that, anyway

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achew22:

ohh yeah... my bad

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Chicago:

How do I know if "VideoOutputXv: XvMCTex: Init failed" is bad? My video card is detected as XVideo Adaptor Name: 'Intel(R) Video Overlay'

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suNit:

if you hook up surround sound speakers to your desktop can you use it to play the audio for your tv?

[04:39:02]

eV64:

xris, so what exactly would I enable in myth-setup? start auto-commercial flagging jobs when the recording starts?

[04:39:35]

xris:

eV64: if you want it to do so, yes. otherwise, it'll do it when the recording finishes

[04:41:03]

eV64:

ok. What exactly is transcoding again? is that compression?

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banyan:

Steve Gutenburg is behind the Chinese Checkers. Heh...

[04:41:35]

banyan:

Techie this, RAID 5 that, infrared such and such... when really it's all about recording Family Guy.

[04:42:19]

onewheelskyward:

eV64: Yeah, transcoding changes the compression algorhythm used on your video files.

[04:42:39]

banyan:

ev64, transcoding is just taking something from one resolution / frame rate / audio encoding / video encoding to another.

[04:42:40]

onewheelskyward:

Most people go towards higher compression at the expense of CPU cycles.

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echosyp:

MainServer::HandleAnnounce Playback

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eV64:

how would i go about using a higher compression than mpeg2?

[04:43:22]

banyan:

and it takes a reeeeeaally long time depending on what cpu you have.

[04:43:24]

onewheelskyward:

banyan: And the two episodes of Futurama that come before FG. :)

[04:43:25]

echosyp:

is that bad?

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echosyp:

adding: Myth as a client (events: 0)

[04:43:53]

echosyp:

or that?

[04:44:10]

banyan:

neither of those is bad I don't think.

[04:44:19]

echosyp:

im pretty sure this is

[04:44:22]

echosyp:

NVR: Won't work with the streaming interface, falling back

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banyan:

probably so.

[04:44:38]

banyan:

this is on playback?

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echosyp:

no, i selected "Watch Live TV"

[04:45:19]

banyan:

that's playback.

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echosyp:

oh

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banyan:

What you trying to play the live TV on — the monitor? a tv-out? a pvr-350?

[04:45:52]

echosyp:

monitor

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echosyp:

VIDIOCGMBUF:: Invalid argument

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echosyp:

it says that right after

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banyan:

hmm.

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echosyp:

then, Expiring Unknown from Wed Mar 21 23:34:51 2007, 0 MBytes, forced expire (LiveTV recording)

[04:47:17]

banyan:

what kind of capture card is this?

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echosyp:

pvrusb2

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banyan:

and can you use mplayer to play back other things on the monitor?

[04:48:17]

echosyp:

i can mpegs on it yes

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banyan:

will it record things in non-live mode?

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echosyp:

idk i will try

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echosyp:

i just ran /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend

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echosyp:

i'll try after that

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eV64:

is there a quick and easy way to switch between windowed and fullscreen?

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onewheelskyward:

eV64: sql update and restart

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echosyp:

well, when i try to watch the recording, everything is black

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echosyp:

then it takes me back to the menu

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eV64:

oh

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echosyp:

what would cause that

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achew22:

echosyp, look at the log, run it in a terminal

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eV64:

i just exited myth and the audio is still playing (card out hooked to line in on my pc ubuntu edgy)

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eV64:

it did this before

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echosyp:

it says "Problem with capture cards Card 2failed init"

[04:57:02]

t0ny-p40:

YAY! I just won this on email for $7! http://cgi.ebay.com/ATI-All-in-Wonder-Remote- . . . cmdZViewItem

[04:57:15]

t0ny-p40:

Is that a deal or not!?!? :)

[04:57:21]

** t0ny-p40 does that happy dance **

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suNit:

if you hook up surround sound PC speakers to my myth tv, can I use it to play my tv audio?

[04:58:13]

echosyp:

ati sux

[04:58:22]

echosyp:

period and end of story

[04:58:39]

echosyp:

but for 7$ who i don't think you care

[04:58:40]

suNit:

you don't think AMD is awsome enough to save them ?!?

[04:58:49]

echosyp:

no, i do

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t0ny-p40:

AMD rules!

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t0ny-p40:

:)

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echosyp:

but only in time

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promacuser:

my apologies i had to run. here's the question again

[04:58:58]

promacuser:

i'm having an issue with v.20 at the moment. sometimes, a recorded program will skip the commercials and then all of the sudden decide not to update the video and basically just play the audio at double speed or triple speed or something.

[04:59:02]

promacuser:

does anyone have a similar problem or know anythign about it?

[04:59:08]

t0ny-p40:

I like nvidia but I dont hate ati

[04:59:17]

achew22:

if they start releasing open drivers then they will be saved in my mind...

[04:59:24]

echosyp:

ati+linux=problems

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banyan:

nvidia is 'ok' a bit of a hassle with the drivers and all.

[04:59:27]

suNit:

i like nvidia but in time ati will be aMazing once again

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eV64:

how do i kill the audio out from my tuner card?

[04:59:39]

eV64:

just mute line in?

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onewheelskyward:

alsasound restart?

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suNit:

anyone know the answer to my question?

[04:59:48]

onewheelskyward:

Oh yeah that should do it.

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achew22:

eV64, mute line in

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eV64:

lol

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suNit:

if you hook up surround sound PC speakers to my myth tv, can I use it to play my tv audio?

[05:00:07]

eV64:

so even when myth isn't running, the tuner card is "tuning?"

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achew22:

suNit, yes they will save them because AMD doesn't hate linux

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J-e-f-f-A-lostco:

eV64: Yes. Line in should be muted at all times for playback — but the only source for recording.

[05:00:19]

onewheelskyward:

suNit: I have surround speakers hooked up to my computer, so yes, it is possible.

[05:00:33]

onewheelskyward:

suNit: I do not think myth is programmed for full surround sound, though.

[05:00:36]

achew22:

eV64, yes, the card always tunes (when initialized) but your not getting the data most of the time

[05:00:39]

J-e-f-f-A-lostco:

suNit: If you're using MythTV for your TV tuning, yes.

[05:01:22]

eV64:

is there a way to automatically mute and un-mute line-in?

[05:01:33]

echosyp:

what would cause "Problem with capture cards, Card 2failed init"

[05:01:34]

echosyp:

what would cause "Problem with capture cards, Card 2failed init"

[05:01:37]

echosyp:

sorry

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suNit:

can you install and run programs behind myth tv, such as if I wanted to setup servers on the same machine?

[05:02:37]

echosyp:

why not

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onewheelskyward:

suNit: Absolutely. I run all kinds of background processes.

[05:03:22]

onewheelskyward:

The only problem I've had is that my myth box halts itself every 10–30 days.

[05:03:37]

echosyp:

does anyone know what would cause that error

[05:04:17]

J-e-f-f-A-lostco:

onewheelskyward: Really? 66 days here...

[05:04:53]

onewheelskyward:

Yeah, for some reason I get about one hard lockup a month. The last one happened after only 10 days. Beats me...nothing in the logs, no clues.

[05:05:27]

onewheelskyward:

It's probably a hardware irregularity.

[05:05:33]

banyan:

2.6.19 seemed kinda shaky to me.

[05:05:41]

Cardoe:

19 is shaky for amd64

[05:06:08]

onewheelskyward:

I've found linux to be shaky for amd64 in general.

[05:06:26]

J-e-f-f-A-lostco:

Maybe it's because I'm still runnin FC4 on this system... Kernel

[05:06:26]

J-e-f-f-A-lostco:

[05:06:36]

onewheelskyward:

Although that's not limited to Linux...it's just on the leading edge.

[05:06:41]

J-e-f-f-A-lostco:

Make that kernel 2.6.16–1.2111_FC4smp

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echosyp:

ok

[05:06:50]

echosyp:

im going to sleep

[05:06:55]

echosyp:

thanks for the help guys

[05:06:55]

onewheelskyward:

That sounds bloody wonderful, Sunit.

[05:06:57]

achew22:

512GB of ram?

[05:06:59]

achew22:

damn....

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suNit:

sorry

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J-e-f-f-A-lostco:

holy ship! 512GB ram!!!!

[05:07:16]

suNit:

meant TB

[05:07:34]

J-e-f-f-A-lostco:

512TB ram! Even better!

[05:07:34]

achew22:

do you have a live cache of every second of history ever broadcasted?

[05:07:49]

J-e-f-f-A-lostco:

(Perhaps MB?)

[05:08:01]

banyan:

The pentium D is pretty stable I think.

[05:08:07]

suNit:

I eat MB's for breakfast

[05:08:10]

onewheelskyward:

And pretty overclockable, I hear.

[05:08:25]

suNit:

would a amd 3200+ be stable ?

[05:08:31]

eV64:

suNit, right now I'm running mythtv in a windows and chatting here

[05:08:35]

eV64:

i'm on a 2600+

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eV64:

i have ubuntu going, firefox, another few terminals, and i'm downloading a file

[05:09:02]

eV64:

just not transcoding or recording...

[05:09:08]

eV64:

but i bet it would be fine

[05:09:13]

eV64:

the recording at least

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eV64:

2gb ram though

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onewheelskyward:

suNit: The chip itself is stable — there has been some instability talked about actually running the 64 bit kernel.

[05:09:53]

onewheelskyward:

You can run 32 bit software on the AMD64 platform.

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suNit:

where can I download myth tv for windows

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J-e-f-f-A-lostco:

suNit: Nowhere... Unless you're talking about a player app only, and that's not 100% stable...

[05:13:35]

eV64:

sunit, mythdora and knoppmyth are good distros for pvr-s

[05:13:40]

eV64:

pvr's

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eV64:

is it a dedicated pvr?

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onewheelskyward:

sunit was talking about running background processes.

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eV64:

ok

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suNit:

what distro would be the best

[05:16:15]

suNit:

ubuntu?

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onewheelskyward:

'best' is highly subjective.

[05:16:32]

eV64:

yeah

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onewheelskyward:

ubuntu seems to be favored lately, but myself and others have had trouble getting the pre-built myth packages working properly.

[05:17:08]

onewheelskyward:

I'm a fan of gentoo, but it's very do-it-yourselfer.

[05:17:30]

suNit:

so you recommend no using something like linux MCE

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suNit:

not*

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eV64:

suNit, i have myth running with ubuntu, there's a great guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Edgy . . . tend_Desktop if you want to see what you're getting yourself into

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eV64:

do you have any linux experience?

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eV64:

i'm relatively new and it has taken some time to get used to, but I'm definitely using it more than windows now

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onewheelskyward:

Glad to hear it.

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suNit:

I know the basics

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suNit:

could I install it on a ntsc partition and duel boot it with windows?

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eV64:

nope, xfs is actually recommended

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eV64:

linux cannot write to ntfs, only read it

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suNit:

I thought their was a release of something where you could

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onewheelskyward:

Actually that's not true. You can write to NTFS. It's still considered experimental, though.

[05:21:32]

eV64:

nifty

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onewheelskyward:

You should not, under any circumstances,. install Linux on NTFS though.

[05:21:44]

eV64:

you can read linux filesystems in windows though

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eV64:

at least ext2

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onewheelskyward:

You can have it shared on the same drive...one NTFS partition and one Linux partition.

[05:21:59]

onewheelskyward:

Yep and ext3 eV64.

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eV64:

and write

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banyan:

is that right?

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suNit:

is a HD-5500 really that much better than other cards?

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clever:

onewheelskyward: i recoment a shared fat partition for sharing data between linux and winblows when inviting friends to linux

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onewheelskyward:

I like that — but the latest ext2/3 windows drivers are _fabulous_. And don't require major reorganization of data.

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clever:

i havent seen those yet

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onewheelskyward:

http://www.fs-driver.org/

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clever:

also can you safely EDIT a file on ntfs without changing any of the metadata/sizes?

[05:40:22]

clever:

from linux

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onewheelskyward:

I've been running it on my laptop for 8 months now. Love it. I can run VMWare images on my ext3 drive within windows...same vmware image, both OS's.

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onewheelskyward:

clever: that's where I get a little fuzzy. I try to avoid that. :)

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clever:

you allready know where the blocks are and if you ignore the ntfs journal you can probly make a driver to only be able to edit files

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eV64:

onewheelskyward, you run windows on linux vmware?

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clever:

ive tryed that for the odd program wine didnt like

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onewheelskyward:

eV64: I go both ways. I have a windows image I run in windows and linux (my development environment) and I have a linux image I run in windows sometimes.

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Dagmar:

clever: No.

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eV64:

lol

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clever:

i have a few linux livecd's on my windows vmware

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Dagmar:

clever: Writing to NTFS is not that simple.

[05:41:45]

clever:

and sometimes fire something up in qemu

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clever:

Dagmar: why cant it be that simply?

[05:41:57]

Dagmar:

clever: Because it's not.

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Dagmar:

clever: Why don't you ask me why the sky isn't plaid while you're at it.

[05:42:15]

clever:

cant you just ignore the ntfs rules and just edit the blocks you know the data is at and not patch its metadata?

[05:42:42]

clever:

aslong as the blocks dont move the metadata will stil be pointing at them properly

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hads:

If you want a bung filesystem you can.

[05:42:57]

clever:

and no filesize changes means no messing with the fat tables and stuff

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Dagmar:

clever: Okay, I'll say this explicitly. You have no idea how fucked up NTFS really is.

[05:43:16]

clever:

lol

[05:43:31]

clever:

im just thinking a way to include an ext2/3 image in a file on ntfs

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Dagmar:

All this jibber jabber coming out of you about what "should" be doable flies in the face of how NTFS actually works.

[05:43:39]

clever:

and safely edit just that 1 file and use it as root

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Dagmar:

You might as well be arguing that you can put a spoiler from a 280Z on your refridgerator.

[05:44:06]

clever:

and since its a filesystem it can be a static size

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eV64:

why not just use fat32 on win? besides >4Gb files

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Dagmar:

...to get better mileage out of it.

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clever:

lol

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clever:

eV64: im thinking of a way for a n00b friend to run it on his ntfs winblows without having to repartition

[05:44:58]

eV64:

myth?

[05:45:02]

eV64:

umm, another hdd?

[05:45:07]

clever:

so it able to use an existing partition and sit in there without confusing the n00b with repartitioning

[05:45:08]

eV64:

partition editor

[05:45:25]

clever:

it would have to resize ntfs which isnt fully risk free

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eV64:

i didnt have a problem when i did it

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clever:

logicaly it should be posible to edit the raw data blocks of a file but i have no idea how messed up ntfs is:P

[05:45:58]

onewheelskyward:

From the kernel ntfs write driver: The only supported operation is overwriting existing files, without changing the file length. No file or directory creation, deletion or renaming is possible.

[05:46:00]

achew22:

just drop in another ide drive, or boot from flash

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clever:

yeah i have yet to have a major problem from resizing ntfs

[05:46:20]

clever:

but some n00bs dont even know how to install another drive or cant afford one

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Dagmar:

clever: Issue number one is that you're describing how the kernel "write" ability to NTFS works.

[05:46:35]

Dagmar:

clever: You can't make files longer, or shorter.

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clever:

yeah and that isnt realy what i need in this example

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achew22:

go to a garage sale and rip a 20gb one out of a old computer and say I'll give you 99 cents

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clever:

no file size changes

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clever:

no changes to any file metadata

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achew22:

clever, use NTFS-3g or capture

[05:47:19]

clever:

enless ntfs has some kind of crc on each block:P

[05:47:28]

Dagmar:

clever: None of that would be useful for Mytht

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eV64:

drives are VERY cheap on ebay now

[05:47:40]

clever:

yeah i wasnt thinking of mythtv exactly

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clever:

but you could have a single image of a fully installed mythtv frontend

[05:48:00]

clever:

and a simply mod to boot.ini

[05:48:09]

clever:

causing it to boot from that image and edit the files contents only

[05:48:20]

clever:

or if its a frontend only it can just be a ro root

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clever:

act like a livecd:)

[05:48:38]

clever:

that sounds easyer

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achew22:

there are live cd distros of myth you know. they can be setup to just be frontend

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Dagmar:

There are people who would backhand you for even suggesting setting up Linux using NTFS as the root filesystem

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clever:

yeah the livecd though you have to feed the info every time you boot

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clever:

the ntfs wont be the real root

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achew22:

i think you could hex edit your way around that

[05:49:22]

clever:

the ntfs will contain an image thats loopback mounted as ext3

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hads:

yawn

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onewheelskyward:

You can hex edit your way around and into a lot of things.

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Dagmar:

Ah so you want the filesystem performance to suck.

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clever:

lol

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achew22:

ha... Dagmar's got ya' there

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clever:

but with a 700mb image and a gig of ram?

[05:50:10]

clever:

wont it wind up caching half of it and going faster

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achew22:

tmpfs it then

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clever:

yeah i could load the image into a tmpfs after boot/during

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Dagmar:

I'm talking about the performance of this image file you intend to stick on ntfs

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clever:

yeah the performance of it may suck but 1gig of ram will help cache that

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achew22:

I feel sorry for the grub load statment for that boot sequence

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clever:

even if the ntfs caching sucks in linux the ext3 underneath will be cached from the loop

[05:51:32]

clever:

and since its mostly xp based it can probly just leach off boot.ini

[05:51:39]

clever:

which could then load a grub from the image

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Dagmar:

OKay. That statement made it clear that you're either drunk or high.

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clever:

lol

[05:51:51]

clever:

never been either of those:P

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eV64:

is xfs faster than ext3?

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hads:

This conversation is going nowhere

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clever:

xfs i think is faster for deleting large files and probly other thigns

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Dagmar:

You have 1Gb of RAM, and you're already talking about loading the OS from liveCD and/or ramdisk, and now you want the storage volume to *also* consume memory

[05:52:45]

Dagmar:

I don't have a recording smaller than 1.1Gb

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achew22:

hads, it doesn't matter... its an interesting topic

[05:53:00]

clever:

all recordings are stored remotely

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Dagmar:

achew22: So are the Special Olympics to some people

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clever:

on a pure linux backend

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Dagmar:

It's a broken idea.

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clever:

just to make a winblows pc a half working frontend

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achew22:

Dagmar, no jokes about the special olymics I volunteer for them

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clever:

without having to mess with the partitions or boot sectors

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Dagmar:

achew22: It's not a joke

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hads:

Part of being in IT is being able to tell people that their idea isn't possible.

[05:54:36]

clever:

lol

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achew22:

does anyone know of any companies that sell motorized blinds for a home theater?

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Dagmar:

That stuff is mostly in local contractor space

[05:56:12]

Dagmar:

...but if you google for motorized blinds you will find them by the ton.

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Dagmar:

I was awash in links to those kinds of companies when I was looking for just curtain blackout liners some months back

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eV64:

i would motorize my own cheapo blinds

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clever:

yeah thats easy i think

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achew22:

I want to be able to control them with X10 or something like that

[05:57:12]

clever:

just get a small motor and pulley

[05:57:24]

clever:

use an X10 socket switch

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achew22:

will it go both ways?

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clever:

maybe a pair(up/down) and a limit switch will disable it

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onewheelskyward:

X10 is on/off, unfortunately.

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clever:

when it reaches the top it hits a switch cutting off the up X10 socket

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Dagmar:

achew22: If you get it drunk enough maybe

[05:58:08]

clever:

when it hits the button it disabled the down X10 socket

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onewheelskyward:

D'oh

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achew22:

Dagmar, thats awesome...

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Dagmar:

You should know not to ask questions like *that* on IRC

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Dagmar:

heh

[05:58:30]

clever:

then just turn the up socket on for 3mins

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hads:

heh

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clever:

ive seen a similar control idea using dc and a few diodes for a automated cd loader

[05:59:23]

clever:

when the arm hit 1 end it cut off the current that moved it in that direction

[05:59:36]

clever:

no need for the pc to detect the signal and shut the motor off

[06:00:11]

achew22:

there probably is a company that sells them for not that much

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clever:

yeah but for posibly less and more fun you can do it yourself and showoff to the neighbors

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achew22:

clever, I would like to not worry about fire hazards though

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clever:

lol:)

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clever:

and what if a pc virus takes over your X10 control pc

[06:02:20]

clever:

and starts to turn on the lights you hung a coat over?:P

[06:02:50]

clever:

lol

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clever:

:D

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achew22:

clever, thats not a challenge

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clever:

hads: if you just stuck the motors and wires off in a sideroom a bit and ran the strings from the blinds over it would be out of sight

[06:05:20]

clever:

you could easily string them thru a cavity you built into the wall to a small hole with a door where the dvd player and mythtv box could be hidden

[06:05:33]

clever:

if you wanted to tear the walls up:P

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achew22:

alright, it was fun talking about fire with you all. Bye! Sleep well

[06:07:22]

clever:

lol:)

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onewheelskyward:

lata

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eV64:

no risk of fire if you use a ~12v motor

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eV64:

on-off signal would be plenty to open/close blinds with normally closed limit switches and a relay

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grndslm:

anybody use linux mce??

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grndslm:

is this new channel guide thing added on by them or is it in mythtv now??

[08:03:22]

grndslm:

soo...i guess nobody's used LinuxMCE then

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Hype^:

guess not.

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t0ny-p40:

grndslm, linuxmce looks sweet

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t0ny-p40:

Oh works as a front end too

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grndslm:

it does...i've been tired of mythtv's interface...and most of juski's themes...

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grndslm:

i just need something different..but i can't download it

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t0ny-p40:

can it be installed on other distros?

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grndslm:

pretty sure...

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grndslm:

i really don't know anything about it...i just watched this video of the creator twirling this 3d menu up and down

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grndslm:

it was too sick...i thought it was just gonna be another mythtv on linux thing....

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grndslm:

but i was wrong

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grndslm:

and it's pretty neat how it's supposed to come with asterisk support built-in

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Hype^:

does anyone know if there's a program like reclock for linux?

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grndslm:

but i doubt i'd ever actually set that stuff up

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grndslm:

nope...dunno what reclock is

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Hype^:

" The purpose of ReClock is to definitely get rid of jerky playback of AVI and MPEG material on a PC (or a HTPC driving a TV, a flat panel, or a video-projector)."

[08:31:47]

Hype^:

got jerky playback with 23.976fps videos on a 50HZ pal tv. :/

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Dagmar:

Important lesson: If you keep your important source material on a thumbdrive, you should really take it off the lanyard around your neck before you get drunk and go hottubbing.

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Chicago:

dang

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rikstah:

hey, is there a way to override the protocol mismatch notification on the frontend?

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Dagmar:

Yeah, you just make sure the backend and the frontend are the same version.

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Dagmar:

Problem solved.

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Dagmar:

*ahem*

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rikstah:

yeah, of course :) but i am lazy and wanted to just use some ubuntu package for my roommates laptop ;)

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qu0zl:

rikstah, the fact the protocols don't match means there's been changes to them, and they won't be able to understand each other

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rikstah:

yeah i understand that ;) i was just going to see if livetv worked

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rikstah:

anyway ill compile it normally

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rikstah:

i was just being a lazy git ;)

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qu0zl:

i can understand the temptation of that path myself ;)

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Chicago:

I was playing with the video encoder settings... by pressing 'g' during livetv... and have now managed to get the hue stuck at -1 %.... how do I reset the values?

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juski:

hey hey hey

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Chicago:

mornin juski

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Chicago:

I was playing with the video encoder settings... by pressing 'g' during livetv... and have now managed to get the hue stuck at -1 %.... how do I reset the value back to around the 50% it was by default?

[12:09:24]

juski:

maybe some mysql-fu

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juski:

or mythweb

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juski:

or mythtv-setup

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Chicago:

was gonna drop mythconverg and then re-import... might be faster if it weren't for all the extra steps of getting channel icons and channel names right.

[12:10:24]

juski:

absolutely no need to go to those kind of extremes

[12:10:53]

juski:

there's prolly just one channel affected is there?

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Chicago:

all

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juski:

I can give you a one-liner mysql statement to fix it if you like

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juski:

I thought you said it was stuck at -1%

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Chicago:

juski: It is... during liveTV.. press "g" four times gets you to the hue setting... which shows 49%... when I touch the left or right arrow to adjust it... it shows it's at -1% and stays stuck at -1% no matter whether I press left or right.

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juski:

hmm

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Chicago:

which database table were you going to change?

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juski:

I don't know – trying to find where the setting might be stored now

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Chicago:

take your time... i got a phone call.

[12:17:44]

Chicago:

that was a fast call

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juski:

as far as I knew, hue etc is stored in the channel table

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Chicago:

well hue and channel both got broke and appear to be 32768 for each channel

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Chicago:

but so does brightness and contrast... so I can't tell.

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juski:

32768 is normal IIRC

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juski:

yeah hue, brightness & contrast are all 32768 by default

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Chicago:

Hmm... well, the behavior I see in MythTV... is that pressing the g button lets me adjust encoding parameters... unless that's a lie and its just xvideo adjusting the recorded stream.

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juski:

maybe the channel table is corrupt

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Chicago:

It's in the capturecard table. :)

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juski:

ah yes so it is

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Chicago:

I have contrast=65296 brightness=12299 color=4310 hue=64881

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Chicago:

but the tuner that isn't used is showing 0 0 0 0

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juski:

heh

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juski:

so you need the following mysql statement

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juski:

update capturecard set hue=0;

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Chicago:

hehe

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juski:

sounds like a bugette

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jduggan_:

hrm

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jduggan_:

so uh

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jduggan_:

what spec cpu/ram/gfx to comfortably play h264?

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[shodan]:

jd86, it depends how optimized the player/codec is, and what resolution/bitrate/features make up the h.264 video

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jduggan_:

[shodan]: ok, typically..?

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[shodan]:

based on xbmc, a p3 700 can decode full featured h.264 at 352x240, without deblocking and cabac should do up to 720x480

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jduggan_:

720p ?

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jduggan_:

at 1280*720

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jduggan_:

2ghz p4 falls over

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jduggan_:

;p

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[shodan]:

again, depends on how optimized the decoder is, and how much post processing is enabled

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jono:

hi all

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harzi:

hm, how shall i proceed when i want to use both tuners on a pvr-500 and also the s-video in for a Set-Top-Box

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harzi:

when i enter only 2 cards and select a input-source to the 3rd s-video, it doesnt appear in myth

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harzi:

and when i enter 3 cards (one for the s-video) then all input-sources appear in myth, i can browse thru the sources with "y" but when 1 tuner records, live-tv is no more possible

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harzi:

even worse, it changes the recording tuner settings

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Dagmar:

harzi: Make up a fake channel for the s-video

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Dagmar:

I have Channel 1 (EVIL) assigned to the webcam watching the den on my Myth box.

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Dagmar:

You may just need to disable the tuner on the card with the s-video connected

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harzi:

Dagmar: do you have separate channellists for the analog tuner, and the channel for s-video is in the 1st tuners list?

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harzi:

oh, is t therefore not possible to use both tuners AND the s-video?

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Dagmar:

harzi: That I do not know

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Dagmar:

I do know that until I made up a phony channel, Myth steadfastly refused to really acknowledge or let me switch to the S-video input there.

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Dagmar:

Once I made up a phony source, created phony channel 1 (EVIL) in it, and then bound it to the s-video input for that card, it came up in the program guide and everything.

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Dagmar:

My next step will be to put in fake 24/7 program listing for "Dagmar's Playhouse"

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harzi:

that what i was trying too. 2 cards, but 3 inputs. the 3rd bound to a separate input-source. but then it doesn't appaer in listings or enocoders

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Dagmar:

Hm... that is odd

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Dagmar:

It *should* have appeared the moment you added channels to it

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Dagmar:

Well, *provided they are not duplicates of existing channels*

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harzi:

currently there is only one defined

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harzi:

i need also to setup ir-blaster

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harzi:

but first, i want this video-souce thing solved :)

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harzi:

hm, ok... i delete all cards once again and setup analog1, svideo1 (with a separate channel-source) and analog2

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harzi:

I only get the s-video working when i disable the one tuner

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harzi:

may be that's en encoder problem? since there are only 2 on the card?

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akifdino:

has mythtv sort of channel category, for example to distinguish between radio and tv stations?

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eulin:

hi all

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eulin:

How I can see the subtitles(srt format) in the mythtv internal player?

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doc_:

hi there

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perlmonkey:

hi doc

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suNit:

What is the best tv tuner that has an antenna input.

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Dagmar:

Those would run you about four to six thousand

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suNit:

?

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Zider:

wouldn't that be a normal analog tuner

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Zider:

?

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suNit:

thats what I thought

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Dagmar:

You want the best, and the best don't come cheap

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Dagmar:

The stuff a TV studio would use isn't cheap

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Dagmar:

...and it wouldn't be some "consumer-level" Hauppauge PVR_250

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Zider:

feet?

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Zider:

pounds?

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suNit:

$$

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Zider:

ah

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Dagmar:

Probably a dual-tuner PVR-500

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Dagmar:

This would be for tuning *cable*, not OTA HD which would require an ATSC tuner

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suNit:

so I wouldn't be able to use it to pull broadcasted tv?

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SlicerDicer-:

Zider: 100–200 foot pound of linux torque twisting off nuts from evil proprietery masses thats what it is! ;-)

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Zider:

SlicerDicer-: :D

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SlicerDicer-:

I mean with that kinda force a 800lbs gorilla is just nutless in seconds

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Zider:

http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2006/beach-balls-p1.php&nb sp;– speaking of nuts

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perlmonkey:

problems with new PVR 150 card :-(

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SlicerDicer-:

OMG

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SlicerDicer-:

how does that happen Zider

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Zider:

bad luck

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Zider:

or sensitive balls ;)

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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perlmonkey:

http://pastebin.ca/406637

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SlicerDicer-:

Zider: thats funny man

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SlicerDicer-:

imagine the crowd

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SlicerDicer-:

nothing to see here move along... YEAH R IGHT!

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perlmonkey:

fuk

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SlicerDicer-:

I am watching a guy stuck with nuts in a chair! come on stand up I dare ya

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perlmonkey:

no firmware

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Zider:

SlicerDicer-: "stand up now and you get $1000"

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Zider:

;)

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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** perlmonkey finks someone didnt follow the howto properly **

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SlicerDicer-:

Zider: well maybe he just wanted... ok nvm nothing applies there

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Dibblah:

Grrr... "Class D" soundcards do exist.

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Dibblah:

They output a 50khz square wave on both ground and the signal line, with PWM making the actual "sound wave".

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Dibblah:

Which plays buggery with a true class D amp.

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Dibblah:

So, a lesson to take away is to stay clear of those cheap USB 'keyfob' style soundcards.

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Milosch:

similar to what we used to call a raster presence monitor – yeah, there's a picture, of something...

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Dibblah:

They sound fine on a true analog amp.

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Dibblah:

But these Sonic Impact t-amps (which ROCK btw) really, really don't like it.

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perlmonkey:

how do we know its the right version

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SlicerDicer-:

Dibblah: I use Audigy sound cards for my myth stuff

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Ruleke:

perlmonkey: it's distributed these days

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SlicerDicer-:

Dibblah: you can pick them up pretty cheap too and if you get the front panel IR-FTW!! with a nice remote

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SlicerDicer-:

then you can do optical in and other things like that

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Ruleke:

perlmonkey: http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware

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Dibblah:

Uhuh. Well, I'm stupid enough to be running on a remote laptop, through a USB extension cable + 10m monitor lead.

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perlmonkey:

ok

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perlmonkey:

thanks guys

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SlicerDicer-:

ohh Dibblah nvm ignore me then

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Ruleke:

perlmonkey: ok

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Dibblah:

On the plus side, the whole setup draws ~30w active, including the monitor + touchscreen.

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Dibblah:

+ amp.

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** perlmonkey in good company **

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suNit:

anyone know if Hauppauge WinTV-PVR 500 MCE is any good?

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Ruleke:

it's very nice imho

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Ruleke:

for analog tv

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perlmonkey:

is the 500 better than 150

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Ruleke:

the 500 is just a double 150 ;)

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Dibblah:

It's the same.

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perlmonkey:

oh i see

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Dibblah:

With a free PCI bridge thrown in.

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Ruleke:

:)

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perlmonkey:

so is hauppauge the best hw for mythtv

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Ruleke:

for analog tv, I think so

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Dibblah:

Which is nice for those unfortunate Via encumbered people.

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perlmonkey:

cool

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suNit:

what about hd

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Ruleke:

that's digital :P

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suNit:

...what is the best hd card, and would that still be compatible with analog tv?

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Dibblah:

Ruleke: Not by definition, no ;)

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Ruleke:

Dibblah: yer, but only some. luckily it works nice with an epia... even with a pci bus splitter :)

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perlmonkey:

if i have cable tv, im still using analog signal to my pvr 150 eh

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Ruleke:

Dibblah: meh :)

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Dibblah:

perlmonkey: %SYS-E-PARSE-ERROR%

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perlmonkey:

I got digital cable

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suNit:

what would be a card that supports both analog and digital

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Dibblah:

Err... Sorry. You crowd are probably too young for VMS ;)

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onweed:

hello

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onweed:

:)

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Ruleke:

we are, but I've seen OpenVMS :)

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suNit:

i need this because when I am at home I would use analog and digital when I am at college

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** perlmonkey attempts to install fmw **

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onweed:

someone here who uses the Commercial Cutter for MythTV in the united states and who i can ask some questions about it?

[16:06:35]

Dibblah:

There are a few, but they lack support under Linux / Myth.

[16:06:38]

Dibblah:

Have a browse on google before buying.

[16:07:51]

Dibblah:

Probably. But you're better asking a question instead of asking if you can ask.

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Dibblah:

perlmonkey: Don't do that.

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perlmonkey:

how else should I install it?

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Dibblah:

The latest versions of ivtv should include firmware.

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Ruleke:

suNit: it all depends on what signal you are getting... dvb-t ? dvb-c ? and if the signal is encrypted or not and how :P

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onweed:

can you guys read this?

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perlmonkey:

oh right

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onweed:

or do i need to register first

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Dibblah:

... Using random firmwares is the best way to cause yourself issues with the pvrx50.

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perlmonkey:

I guess the fmw will be in the ivtv-utils package in debian

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Dibblah:

perlmonkey: I have no idea, I'm afraid.

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juski:

onweed: you only need register to send people msgs – I'd not recommend you send any unsolicited private msgs either

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Dibblah:

juski: I'm afraid I watched your youtube vid.

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juski:

reason being, it's bad IRC ettiquette

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juski:

Dibblah: heh

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juski:

I need to change my exit sig

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** perlmonkey checks ivtv howto wiki for debian **

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Dibblah:

You need to get off helpdesk, too :)

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juski:

Dibblah: I've been doing all I can to cut down

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Dibblah:

Not, of course, worse than Dagmar does ;)

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juski:

hahaha

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juski:

yeah but at least Dagmar's funnier with it

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perlmonkey:

hi juski

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juski:

not like mr sense-of-humour-failure here

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perlmonkey:

did u get the 150?

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juski:

perlmonkey: nah the price went silly

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perlmonkey:

:-/

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juski:

I refuse to pay 3/4 shop prices for gear on ebay

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perlmonkey:

i got mine today just trying to set it up

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stuarta:

afternoon all

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onweed:

hi

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juski:

afternoon stuarta

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perlmonkey:

those people are dumb who bid it up

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Dibblah:

I hate it when ebay ads are accurate.

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juski:

perlmonkey: heheh don't we all know it

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juski:

"but it's half the price PC World charge" :-z

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perlmonkey:

hehe

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Dibblah:

I thought that a "class D USB keyfob soundcard" would be a misunderstanding.

[16:12:46]

Dibblah:

Sadly, no.

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onweed:

someone here who could tell me something about the use of the automatic-commercial-cutter (using commandline) on episodes such as 24, Prison Break in america?

[16:13:22]

onweed:

if they are accurate enough etc.

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Dibblah:

Audio at line-level should _not_ involve square waves.

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Dibblah:

onweed: Try it. Works for some, doesn't work well for others.

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juski:

onweed: some people find it's accurate enough to just cut automagically, but not for others

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juski:

it pays to take a minute & check the cutpoints manually first

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Dagmar:

onweed: YMMV only begins to describe it

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juski:

<8 mythtv's editing functions :)

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Dibblah:

<3, surely?

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juski:

aye

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juski:

oops

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Dibblah:

Heh.

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** perlmonkey wishes had the remote **

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Dibblah:

onweed: Wait... Why 'command line'?

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juski:

the pvr150 with remote would've been no use to me anyway since I have a separate frontend in my livingroom

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perlmonkey:

oh

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Dibblah:

juski: There's some funky networking stuff you can do to fix that.

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Dibblah:

And... Long wires :)

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Ruleke:

well if he runs a seperate frontend ? not realyl

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perlmonkey:

ir blaster?

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Ruleke:

hometime :)

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Dibblah:

Long wires from the remote reciever, network connection to the lircd on frontend.

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** juski is beside himself with worry today, hoping his wife's lumbar puncture investigation style op. goes ok **

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Dibblah:

But that redefines pointless.

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Dibblah:

Good luck :)

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juski:

I'm sure it'll go well, but anything to do with the spine makes me er.. twitchy

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juski:

so anyway – that linuxmce project is certainly creating a lot of hype & web traffic. anybody here actually tried it... is it just a respin of plutohome then?

[16:21:04]

juski:

I'm intruiged about its GUI & whether or not it's suitable for a '10 foot' scenario

[16:21:21]

juski:

the fonts on the google demo vid look way too small to be readable

[16:21:26]

Dibblah:

Why? Do you have 10 feet?

[16:21:37]

perlmonkey:

does this look like the right hotplug dir for fmw to be copied to? /lib/modules/2.6.18-4–686/contrib/ivtv

[16:21:55]

Dibblah:

perlmonkey: Depends on your distro.

[16:21:59]

juski:

perlmonkey: might be

[16:22:07]

perlmonkey:

debian etch

[16:22:18]

perlmonkey:

kernel 2.6.18–4

[16:22:19]

Dibblah:

Don't ask me – Ask google :)

[16:22:20]

xris:

juski: sure looks like plutohome with a skin over it, or something like that. even lists plutohome as one of the projects.

[16:22:33]

Dibblah:

It's a fork.

[16:22:55]

Dibblah:

plutohome is pretty much designed to sell hardware / "systems"

[16:22:59]

juski:

"If you need further documentation on ivtv-make-fwpkg, see /usr/share/doc/ivtv0.4-utils/README.Debian"

[16:23:14]

perlmonkey:

thanks juski

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juski:

perlmonkey: the debian page on ivtvdriver.org says to put the fw in /lib/firmware – thought you'd have read that

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perlmonkey:

doh

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** perlmonkey screwed up **

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Honk:

Why does my clock run slower (a lot slower: about 1s every 10) when both heads of my pvr500 are recording?

[16:25:44]

Dibblah:

Interrupts.

[16:26:00]

Dibblah:

They're bad for fake software RTCs.

[16:26:15]

juski:

ntp ftw :)

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Honk:

juski: ntp doesnt help at all

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Honk:

it's running

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juski:

ouchy

[16:27:41]

Honk:

Dibblah: sooo.. what can i do against that? =)

[16:28:02]

Honk:

it's messing up my record schedules as well as my lirc remote :}

[16:28:40]

stuarta:

what's the kernels HZ setting?

[16:28:42]

Dagmar:

Pat's 11.0 kernel.

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Dagmar:

burp, wrong channel

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Honk:

CONFIG_HZ=300

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stuarta:

huh? it's normally 250 or 1000

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Dagmar:

This is a new setting

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Honk:

*nod* new in 2.6.20 i think

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perlmonkey:

cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg ... cat: /dev/video0: No such file or directory. heh.

[16:31:37]

stuarta:

hmmm, wonder why 300, multiple of 50 & 60 methinks

[16:31:46]

juski:

perlmonkey: look in dmesg to make sure the modules were loaded successfully etc

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perlmonkey:

ok, sorry

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juski:

perlmonkey: you may also need to fiddle with /etc/modprobe.conf n stuff. read the debian ivtv page

[16:33:23]

perlmonkey:

maybe I should reboot

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stuarta:

that's the windoze answer

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stuarta:

i linux you unload and reload the modules

[16:34:19]

perlmonkey:

:-/

[16:34:43]

juski:

modprobe -r $somemodulename

[16:34:50]

perlmonkey:

depmod -a && modprobe ivtv

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juski:

or rmmod $somemodulename

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juski:

removing modules *can* be fun ;)

[16:35:11]

perlmonkey:

nothing happened

[16:35:47]

perlmonkey:

test failed as before

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perlmonkey:

cat: /dev/video0: No such file or directory

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stuarta:

after the reload you need to check dmesg for any informative messages

[16:36:58]

perlmonkey:

nothing

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stuarta:

which means things haven't loaded / found the card

[16:38:21]

perlmonkey:

i noted tho the firmware size does not match the size reported in dmesg, that it expects to see

[16:38:32]

perlmonkey:

the card is detected in dmesg

[16:38:41]

perlmonkey:

but firmware was not loaded

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stuarta:

and until you get it to load it won't work

[16:39:08]

perlmonkey:

that was an old msg tho from previous boot

[16:39:20]

perlmonkey:

firmware was not copied to dir then

[16:39:44]

perlmonkey:

the firmware should load when i load the module right?

[16:40:49]

perlmonkey:

oh wait

[16:40:52]

perlmonkey:

thats a new msg

[16:41:27]

perlmonkey:

warning: failed loading encoder firmware. warning: Error loading firmware -3!

[16:41:58]

perlmonkey:

Trying to free already-free IRQ 177. ivtv0: Error -12 on initialization

[16:42:56]

perlmonkey:

ivtv: probe of 0000:01:06.0 failed with error -12

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Honk:

i really cant noticy the machine waiting for anything *g*

[16:43:10]

knowledgejunkie:

perlmonkey: (re)read http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware – paying special attention to the Location section

[16:43:15]

perlmonkey:

is that caused by the firmware do u think?

[16:43:20]

perlmonkey:

ok

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** perlmonkey has no clue **

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perlmonkey:

tried every location

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perlmonkey:

/usr/lib/hotplug/firmware, /lib/firmware, /lib/modules/2.6.18-4–686/contrib/ivtv

[16:48:22]

perlmonkey:

none works

[16:48:56]

perlmonkey:

no error in syslog

[16:50:01]

perlmonkey:

but size of fmw does not match "unable to open firmware v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw (must be 262144 bytes)"

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perlmonkey:

*sigh* as per usual nothing every goes smoothly in linux where new hw is concerned

[16:54:06]

knowledgejunkie:

perlmonkey: what version of ivtv are you using?

[16:54:29]

perlmonkey:

version 0.8.2 (tagged release)

[16:55:06]

perlmonkey:

i downloaded the firmware from the ivtv wiki link

[16:55:17]

perlmonkey:

rather than hauppauge site, i assumed that was correct

[16:55:59]

perlmonkey:

http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ivtv/firmware/firmware.tar.gz

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knowledgejunkie:

perlmonkey: that's what I use

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perlmonkey:

thats the right one eh, for ivtv 0.4.2 and higher

[16:56:58]

perlmonkey:

i c[

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perlmonkey:

i cp'd the v4l-cx25840.fw and v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw firmware files into the 3 locations

[16:57:41]

perlmonkey:

/usr/lib/hotplug/firmware, /lib/firmware, /lib/modules/2.6.18-4–686/contrib/ivtv

[16:59:24]

perlmonkey:

the only inconsistency I can see is that the filesize of v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw does not match the stated required size in dmesg error

[16:59:40]

perlmonkey:

not sure how relevant/important that is tho

[16:59:56]

knowledgejunkie:

perlmonkey: check your firmware checksums and compare to those at the bottom of http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware

[17:00:00]

GreyFoxx:

I believe I saw talk about that on the ivtv mailing list

[17:01:04]

perlmonkey:

ok will do

[17:01:05]

knowledgejunkie:

perlmonkey: there's a thread on ivtv-users called "ivtv with gentoo and pvr 150"

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GreyFoxx:

perlmonkey: how big is your firmware ?

[17:02:17]

perlmonkey:

yup, the checksum matches

[17:02:33]

perlmonkey:

376K

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GreyFoxx:

v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw is that big ?

[17:02:56]

perlmonkey:

yes

[17:02:58]

GreyFoxx:

crazy

[17:03:03]

perlmonkey:

:-/

[17:03:10]

GreyFoxx:

well, to quote a message from Hans on the list

[17:03:15]

stuarta:

no wonder they don't burn it onto a rom

[17:03:22]

perlmonkey:

unable to open firmware v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw (must be 262144 bytes)

[17:03:31]

perlmonkey:

(from dmesg)

[17:03:37]

GreyFoxx:

http://www.pastebin.ca/406708

[17:03:45]

GreyFoxx:

That's from a message from the main ivtv developer

[17:03:50]

perlmonkey:

ok

[17:03:58]

GreyFoxx:

though it was in a thread about 0.10.0

[17:05:03]

perlmonkey:

i could try it eh

[17:05:19]

GreyFoxx:

yeah, can't really hurt

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perlmonkey:

no difference :-/

[17:07:25]

knowledgejunkie:

perlmonkey: post the output of: lspci -v |grep "Internext Compression Inc"

[17:07:30]

perlmonkey:

ok

[17:08:03]

perlmonkey:

01:06.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01)

[17:08:48]

perlmonkey:

bad card?

[17:08:50]

knowledgejunkie:

perlmonkey: good – you have a PVR-150 (not a HVR-1600 which Hauppauge were sending out when PVR-150 supplies were low)

[17:08:55]

perlmonkey:

maybe i got sold a dud?

[17:09:02]

knowledgejunkie:

perlmonkey: could be eeprom related

[17:09:03]

perlmonkey:

oh right

[17:09:13]

knowledgejunkie:

perlmonkey: what eeprom modules are loaded?

[17:09:26]

perlmonkey:

i dunno, how do I check?

[17:09:32]

knowledgejunkie:

perlmonkey: have you got any ivtv lines in your modprobe.conf file (or equiv)

[17:09:49]

knowledgejunkie:

perlmonkey: lsmod |grep "eeprom"

[17:09:53]

perlmonkey:

I put ivtv in /etc/modules but havent rebooted since

[17:09:59]

perlmonkey:

ok

[17:10:34]

perlmonkey:

tveeprom 13840 1 ivtv ...and.. i2c_core 19680 4 ivtv,i2c_algo_bit,i2c_i801,tveeprom

[17:16:39]

knowledgejunkie:

perlmonkey: hmmm

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perlmonkey:

:-/

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** perlmonkey sinks into hauppauge depression **

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knowledgejunkie:

perlmonkey: can you test it in windows?

[17:26:32]

perlmonkey:

i could I guess

[17:26:44]

perlmonkey:

the tuner utility started up earlier

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perlmonkey:

but that doesnt mean anything eh

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perlmonkey:

I'm going to attempt to compile the module from source

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perlmonkey:

ahhh no luck

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perlmonkey:

ivtv 155472 0 :-/

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rsdvd:

Hi Folks – If I want to transcode my mpeg2 recordings to remove commericals and reduce their size – what should I be using? (nuvexport / mytharchive / mythtranscode) ?

[17:41:16]

juski:

depends if you wanna keep them mpeg2 or not

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juski:

tbh I'd not trust commercial cutting as far as I could spit for UK TV

[17:41:46]

juski:

manual editing rules ok :)

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juski:

for stuff I want to archive I edit recordings manually then use the 'lossless transcode'

[17:42:18]

rsdvd:

juski : I am almost out of disk space....so I need to change some of them to something smaller.....also I want to cut out the commercials (although I take that will be a manual process over here int he UK)

[17:43:18]

juski:

been given a 17" TFT for free

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juski:

faulty of course. and damn it, the PSU is fine .. it's the backlight wot's failed :(

[17:44:00]

juski:

bin fodder

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rsdvd:

:-(

[17:44:29]

rsdvd:

not got many 17" but I have about 3 or 4 15" in the loft

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juski:

hey did I see jono in here earlier?

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rsdvd:

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juski:

wow. no idea what the image quality is like but Phillips definitely know how to build a monitor

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juski:

monitor/battleship

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eulin:

re

[18:11:57]

eulin:

hi alll

[18:12:13]

eulin:

How I can do for display subtitle in mythtv?

[18:13:08]

gbee:

#mythtv-users

[18:13:32]

RaYmAn-Bx:

gbee: you're in it ;)

[18:13:43]

gbee:

heh, got my windows mixed up

[18:14:15]

gbee:

in which case – eulin either use the OSD menu or press T

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** juski is googling for how to get flickr to remove photos of him in somebody's account **

[18:16:35]

eulin:

gbee, mhh I have an avi video with srt subtitles

[18:16:53]

juski:

eulin: srt subs won't work with the Internal player as far as I know

[18:17:38]

gbee:

juski: I thought support was added, but maybe I'm remembering wrong and it would probably be in head if it was

[18:17:41]

eulin:

juski, mhh maybe if I recompile ffmpeg?

[18:18:12]

juski:

seems odd to me that support for downloaded content would be added

[18:19:36]

eulin:

I must wait in 0.21 or I can do something(compile) for see srt in internal player?

[18:20:23]

juski:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1748

[18:21:02]

Zider:

nice :)

[18:21:21]

gbee:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/10067

[18:21:43]

juski:

this is why avi files are bad – you can't embed subs & other stuff inside

[18:22:11]

gbee:

if mytharchive wasn't killing my system right now, I'd have beaten juski to it

[18:22:17]

eulin:

yes but external file for sub are nice

[18:22:21]

juski:

well, one reason they're bad

[18:22:37]

KaZeR:

hey people. is there an evolution of the mythcalendar plugin to display a google agenda?

[18:22:48]

juski:

mythcalendar?!

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gbee:

that's a new one to me

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eulin:

juski, If I want to apply this patch I need all the mythtv source or just mythtv or....?

[18:24:05]

KaZeR:

it's kinda dead, but it could be nice : http://www.wombatinvasion.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.p . . . MythCalendar

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gbee:

damn, going to create this DVD the old fashioned way – mytharchive just demands too much space/resources etc

[18:24:30]

juski:

eulin: you'd need to grab svn & build it yourself

[18:24:44]

juski:

no need to apply that patch since it was committed to the code

[18:25:36]

juski:

I'm not gonna moan about journalists getting their fcuking facts wrong, cos I already know the only way to ensure the correct facts are stated in mag articles is to write the damn thing yourself

[18:26:00]

gardengnome:

juski: and even then they might be wrong....

[18:26:06]

juski:

true

[18:26:11]

juski:

proofreading FTW!

[18:26:42]

juski:

well looks like I'm gonna have to contact the author of the pics to have em taken down

[18:27:04]

gardengnome:

what a waste of time. just imagine a wiki – we'd have way less articles if someone would actually spend time proofreading them ;)

[18:27:12]

eulin:

juski, last question maybe I can get the source(apt-get source)of libmyth 0.20 and then apply that patch?

[18:27:12]

juski:

lol

[18:27:39]

juski:

eulin: no. like I said you will have to compile mythtv yourself – but grab the development version from the subversion server

[18:27:40]

onewheelskyward:

The internet has certainly made fact checking (or spell checking, for that matter) a thing of the past. Which is funny, since it's a lot easier to do the research.

[18:27:46]

juski:

unless it's already in 0.20-fixes

[18:28:52]

gbee:

it won't be

[18:29:13]

juski:

thought it might be cos the ticket is so old

[18:29:16]

jams:

thoughts on converting the top two combo boxes into spinboxes? http://jmeyer.us/e107_plugins/autogallery/aut . . . s%2Fedid.jpg

[18:30:32]

juski:

jams: spinboxes will be easier to operate from a keyboard, I'd have thought

[18:30:57]

eV64:

anyone here use kubuntu? i've never used kde

[18:31:18]

juski:

will to live... slipping... away.....

[18:31:24]

eV64:

ah wrong chan, sorry

[18:31:32]

jams:

spinboxes are easier with a remote, comboboxes seem easier with a keyboard

[18:31:36]

gbee:

juski: hmm, I should rephrase – it won't be in -fixes unless it's in 0.20

[18:31:56]

juski:

gbee: that'd be a given, kind of ;)

[18:32:11]

juski:

unless it'd been backported (v. unlikely)

[18:32:46]

baxter_kylie:

Allo. Can anyone tell me just how deeply coded the actions buttons are in the mythvideo extension? (the ones chosen in 'menu') I'd like to add one if it's not too deep to run a stored procedure I came up with.

[18:33:22]

eulin:

mhhh I'm downloading the libmyth source and I want to try apply this patch

[18:33:36]

juski:

eulin: I won't say I told you so, but I did

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** juski goes to kill a kitten or 10 **

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Honk:

heh.. it seems my clock problems were fixed by either the new kernel (new minor version) or the 1000hz setting

[18:38:35]

Honk:

thanks for the help =)

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gbee:

eulin: the .srt file should be in the same folder as the video and have the same name e.g. foo.avi and foo.srt

[18:44:44]

gbee:

it *should* then be available by hitting T, or at least through the OSD menu

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gbee:

check the log for a "Loaded text subtitles from" message

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gbee:

could mytharchive not clean up behind itself as it goes along? At this rate it's going to consume 4x or more diskspace creating the DVD as the final DVD itself

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JoeyJoeJo:

my imdb.pl isn't getting things like director, rating and plot.. does anyone else have this problem?

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doc_:

hello

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Mark999:

hi

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Mark999:

anyone know how to get the pvr350 to output the menus via s-video?

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GreyFoxx:

To do that you need to use the ivtv X serverm ?I don't rememebr it's name offhand

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xris:

Mark999: use the X driver instead of framebuffer?

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crayzee:

I just asked mythfrontend to delete a file, and now it is using 100%CPU (thankfully I have a dual core processor)... Why is this?

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perlmonkey:

i got no picture on my screen/can't tune..any suggestions?

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Schwin:

don't have answers for either of those issues – what about correlation issues in mysql? Anyone have this issue before?

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perlmonkey:

http://pastebin.ca/406958

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Schwin:

perlmonkey: Do you know if your capture card works outside of mythtv?

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perlmonkey:

Schwin: unfortunately I don't

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perlmonkey:

maybe I should try it in windows

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Schwin:

perlmonkey: you may want to search google for how to output from the video card to a file and see if youget anything

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Schwin:

perlmonkey: trying it in windows would make sure the hardware works

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perlmonkey:

I did a test earlier and it did actually make an mpg file with some static

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Schwin:

perlmonkey: there are commands to tune the card as well – though you will need to search for those as well

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perlmonkey:

ivtv-tune?

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Schwin:

perlmonkey: sounds right – just need to search the web and figure out the specifics :)

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perlmonkey:

uk is Pal-I?

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perlmonkey:

seems extraodinarily complicated

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Schwin:

perlmonkey: not going to argue with you... and I don't know what UK is – I am in USA

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Schwin:

and we are NTSC

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akifdino:

is there a way to sort or set channels to categories like radio or tv stations

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perlmonkey:

I know UK is PAL, but in xawtv theres no just "PAL" option

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Schwin:

PAL-i sounds like PAL interlaced???

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perlmonkey:

ah yes could be

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gbee:

PAL _is_ interlaced, at least AFAIK. PAL-I is the regional variation of PAL used in the UK (and some other places)

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perlmonkey:

aha thanks gbee

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perlmonkey:

do you know if xserver-xorg-video-ivtv is required for pvr-150?

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perlmonkey:

(x driver for the overlay framebuffer)

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hads:

Nope, the PVR150 doesn't output to X

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perlmonkey:

oh ok

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perlmonkey:

what that cause a problem do you think, as I have it installed

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perlmonkey:

*would

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hads:

Shouldn't.

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perlmonkey:

tvtime says "cannot open capture device /dev/video0"

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perlmonkey:

xawtv gives a black screen

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hads:

Do you have the correct permissions?

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hads:

Have you tried `cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg`

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perlmonkey:

hads: I did that test and it did indeed make a file which seemed to be not quite tv, but it did have some colours

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perlmonkey:

crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 2007-03–22 20:59 video0

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perlmonkey:

don't think so

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perlmonkey:

oh yes I am

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perlmonkey:

this is strange

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perlmonkey:

the test.mpg is showing static fine, but nothing shows on the actual window on screen in tv viewer

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perlmonkey:

I got some video even now in test file, from composite input from vcr

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perlmonkey:

still nothing showing on actual screen tho in player

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perlmonkey:

should one be using the drivers from hauppauge or as provided by linux distro?

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perlmonkey:

seems to be conflicting info on this

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hads:

ivtvdriver.org

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perlmonkey:

ok

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akifdino:

there is a script called chanle_icons.pl which downloads the needed channel icons. unfortunately the skip function does not work, does anyoe know where this could be caused from?

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gbee:

akifdino: it's a known bug

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xris:

akifdino: is it still broken? I thought I fixed it last week

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akifdino:

xris: it doesn't work here

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akifdino:

i tried it yesterday

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akifdino:

and today aswell

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xris:

with svn from today?

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akifdino:

yesterday, xris, i can download a svn again now

[21:32:24]

gbee:

xris: wasn't fixed

[21:32:38]

akifdino:

will the one in svn now be fixed?

[21:32:38]

xris:

I think I found the problem

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xris:

too many loops

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gbee:

for some reason Exit skips instead of exiting

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akifdino:

is there something i could change in the script?

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xris:

svn up in 15 seconds

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xris:

gbee: that should have been fixed long ago.

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akifdino:

xris: can you tell us if it is fixed?

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xris:

but then "skip" wouldn't skip, either

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akifdino:

and up

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xris:

akifdino: should be fixed, but I can't test since all of my icons are defined

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akifdino:

xris: i can test it now

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akifdino:

there are several channels which do not have icons yet here

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gbee:

xris: just possible that the version I'm using is out of sync, I've too many different svn checkouts :)

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gbee:

xris: that fixed it, skip works as does exit

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xris:

cool

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akifdino:

skip works now

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hads:

What's the deal with services.mythtv.org anyways? Is there docs anywhere about it?

[21:38:50]

akifdino:

there are unrecognized channels, which are found. could these channels be those which are encrypted and to not give information about itself

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knowledgejunkie:

xris: will this fix stop the script from butchering my existing icon file URLs? I determined earlier today that my icon problem was due to the previous working path being changed, causing them to fail to display in EPG/OSD/mythweb

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hads:

I'm guessing that it's only useful if you are in the US/UK?

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knowledgejunkie:

I hacked up a simple script earlier to check which xmltvids are supported for the uk_rt grabber – 23/260 have icons currently, so I will fix that once I have worked out the correct submission method :)

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xris:

knowledgejunkie: huh? the scrpt ignores channels that already have idon data

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xris:

hads: it should be worldwide

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hads:

Interesting. So the xmltvid stuff is based on the what the xmltv grabbers output?

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knowledgejunkie:

For XMLTV users, the XMLTVID is what binds the grabber to the program listings in MythTV, and also allows users to lookup channel icons based on the XMLTVIDs for their channels

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hads:

OK cool. We don't have a grabber for here.. yet.

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hads:

mythfilldatabase grabs the icons for you anyway though if there is a icon element in the channel element in your XML

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akifdino:

the script looks even for those which i set a logo already

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akifdino:

what size do the icons need to be at least?

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knowledgejunkie:

hads: Icon info is already included in the uk_rt grabber for all channels, but it either a) cannot be imported directly into the services server b) can be imported easily, but hasn't been yet.

[21:52:02]

hads:

But if the icons are in the xmltv data and mythfilldatabase downloads the icons for you then it's not really nessecary is it?

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hads:

(for xmltv users that is)

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hads:

I'm just speculating here as over here we generate the XML manually and use mythfilldatabase with the --file option

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knowledgejunkie:

hads: the icons are only in your xmltv data if your grabber puts them there. Otherwise, you'll need to get them from somewhere else, hence services.mythtv.org

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hads:

Cool, that's what I figured.

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akifdino:

can i remove channels from the list? would i need to do it with mythtv-setup?

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stuarta:

funnily enough, i was just trying to give the new script a bash

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achew22:

what is this about services.mythtv.org?

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hads:

We were discussing it.

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stuarta:

centralized version of the old master_iconmap

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achew22:

I've never heard of it

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hads:

It's newish

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stuarta:

it's new & under development

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achew22:

what svn?

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hads:

Yes

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achew22:

what svn did it come in at?

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stuarta:

12868

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gbee:

14252 1/2

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knowledgejunkie:

xris: maybe it is mythbackend rewriting the icon paths?

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achew22:

where do you configure it?

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xris:

knowledgejunkie: from what to what?

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knowledgejunkie:

xris: e.g. from '/home/mythtv/.mythtv/channels/scifi.jpg' to '//.mythtv/channels/scifi.jpg' – looks like a $HOME issue?

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xris:

achew22: services.mythtv.org isn't in svn.. the channel lookup stuff is a few weeks old

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stuarta:

damn script is going round & round in circles on one of the channels

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gbee:

achew22: it's not integrated into mythtv yet, it's in the contrib/master_iconmap dir

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achew22:

oh! sound like fun... lets see what it does

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** stuarta goes debugging it. **

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gbee:

stuarta: 13108?

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xris:

knowledgejunkie: looks like it. odd, though. code clearly skips channels if there is any data there (doesn't even check to see if it's accurate)

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stuarta:

13106

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stuarta:

it doesn't like channel 301, can't skip it...

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stuarta:

301 is missing, skip it, 301 is missing, skip it etc etc

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xris:

stuarta: svn up

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stuarta:

:)

[22:05:24]

xris:

I *just* fixed it

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knowledgejunkie:

xris: for my few (6) channels where icon='none' , output from 'channel_icons.pl --find-missing' doesn't even count them -> 'MythTV.org returned info about 0 of 0 channels.'

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knowledgejunkie:

xris: the chans don't have XMLTVIDs but do have callsigns

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achew22:

DAMN YOU CPAN!

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gbee:

stuarta: it should ignore 'hidden' channels – as 301 is data I've got it hidden

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xris:

knowledgejunkie: could just mean that the channels aren't listed at mythtv.org and you need to perform a more detailed search

[22:07:01]

knowledgejunkie:

xris: yup, they're hidden...

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stuarta:

mine aren't hidden

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gbee:

makes life easier as you then don't have to skip through all the teletext/interactive channels which don't have icons anyway

[22:08:21]

stuarta:

they are proper channels, albeit not listed with a name and generally accessed through the interactive tv stuff

[22:08:37]

xris:

stuarta: did you svn up?

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stuarta:

i only hide shopping channels :)

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knowledgejunkie:

xris: the script exits after outputting the 'You will now be prompted...' box and then 'Imported 0 channel icons into your MythTV database.'

[22:08:57]

stuarta:

yeah, who snuck a db update in there :/

[22:09:27]

xris:

knowledgejunkie: means all of your icons are imported

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gbee:

stuarta: well that's the point really – the interactive tv stuff can still use them if they are hidden, but it doesn't clutter the EPG

[22:10:07]

stuarta:

true, but they aren't marked as hidden in the SDT and i don't hide them explicitly

[22:10:44]

gbee:

I've got all the data channels, the shopping channels, a couple of the 'lifestyle' channels and half the radio channels hidden

[22:10:57]

knowledgejunkie:

xris: aha, so it's ignoring the hidden channels with no icon, and just checking the others to see if there is *something* in the icon field

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gbee:

basically any channel I don't watch or am unlikely to watch is hidden – oh that includes the children's channels too

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** stuarta likes kids channels :( **

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gbee:

;)

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xris:

knowledgejunkie: yes

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knowledgejunkie:

xris: thx

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stuarta:

huh, channel & icon has been blocked for channel 4????

[22:15:33]

xris:

stuarta: probably by callsign

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knowledgejunkie:

stuarta: when I looked it up by xmltvid earlier, I got it fine

[22:15:46]

stuarta:

yeah that's what it say

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xris:

submit a bug. it needs to be smarter and still take the valid parts of the submission

[22:16:29]

stuarta:

says. although it goes around in circles if I say i still want to use it

[22:17:05]

xris:

stuarta: another bug report. :)

[22:17:22]

stuarta:

doh! want do you want for the 1st one.

[22:17:58]

xris:

what you typed here is enough.

[22:18:03]

akifdino:

can i export the channel list from mythtv?

[22:18:06]

xris:

or the actual error message

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stuarta:

got that too :)

[22:18:34]

stuarta:

you want the dvb id?

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xris:

stuarta: the system tracks callsign, xmltvid, dvbid and atscid... it's *supposed* to track them separately, but apparently doesn't

[22:19:15]

knowledgejunkie:

xris: Any chance of a sample icon submit CSV URL for icon/xmltvid – I have all the icons and xmltvids for the uk_rt grabber ready to submit. My Perl parsing is about as good as my C++ :)

[22:19:37]

stuarta:

i don't have any xmltvid's setup, so would only have callsign & dvbid

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xris:

knowledgejunkie: the submission is for the whole setup.

[22:19:53]

xris:

I can work with you later when I get home from work, though

[22:20:03]

xris:

stuarta: dvbid should be enough. like I said, it's a bug

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stuarta:

dvbid = networkid, serviceid ?

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knowledgejunkie:

xris: that's great – what sort of time is best for you?

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xris:

it'll be after 7 or 8 pm pdt

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knowledgejunkie:

xris: caffeine it is then :)

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knowledgejunkie:

xris: I'll have a look at that icon path issue in the meantime

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janneg:

stuarta: yes and add the transportid

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akifdino:

the font which is used in G.A.N.T theme for displaying epg information is very small. can i change it?

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stuarta:

xris: do you want this as 1 or 2 bugs in trac?

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xris:

stuarta: two, I think

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stuarta:

np... 2 it is.

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harryman100:

Hi, is anyone here using mythtv on a via onboard video card?

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sokminer:

infobash

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harryman100:

I'm having problems with some very slow playback

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stuarta:

itv1 no worky well either, only gives me the option for itv central

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sokminer:

harryman100: close ennough ?

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sokminer:

it's a via CLE 266

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harryman100:

yeah, sounds like you have a very similar board

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** stuarta adds itv2+1 to the list **

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harryman100:

what driver do you use?

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sokminer:

harryman100: openchrome

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sokminer:

harryman100: doesn't do HD very well.... otherwise great

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harryman100:

I've just installed openchrome and drm, according to these instructions:http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Unichrome_How-To however, whenever it switches between menu screens (using opengl) it flickers a lot, and when playing back a recording it is very slow

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sokminer:

harryman100: try glxinfo | grep direct

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harryman100:

sokminer: it says direct rendering: yes

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sokminer:

harryman100: hmmmmmmm you've reached my total knowledge of expertise in this area ...sry

[22:42:18]

harryman100:

no problem, I had a feeling it wouldn't be an easy one to solve!

[22:42:27]

harryman100:

thanks for your help

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sokminer:

harryman100: another place that you can look is /etc/X11/xorg.conf and make sure that the card driver is via and not something else like vesafb

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sokminer:

harryman100: in here ...Section "Device"

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sokminer:

Driver "via"

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harryman100:

yes, I'm just looking to see if there are any options I should set for the driver – I'm pretty certain it's using that one

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sokminer:

harryman100: ok that's all i can offer

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stuarta:

only get offered the tmf nl logo, not the plain tmf logo

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harryman100:

sokminer: which version of mythtv are you running?

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achew22:

who does master_iconmap belong to?

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sokminer:

harryman100: 0.20

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harryman100:

what distro do you use?

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xris:

achew22: it doesn't exist in svn anymore

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sokminer:

harryman100: actually knoppmyth on the backend... this box is the frontend

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achew22:

xris, who took it out?

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sokminer:

harryman100: distro on this box is sidux.... successor to kanotix... debian sid based

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harryman100:

ahh

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harryman100:

thanks

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xris:

achew22: I did

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xris:

replaced by interactive lookup

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achew22:

oh... even better

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ByteChanger:

hi all.

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ByteChanger:

Is it okay to do a 'apt-get install MythWeb' when you've downloaded mythtv SVN??? MythWeb reports 'old mythtv files' afterwards.

[23:30:36]

ByteChanger:

I keep screwing things up and I'd really love to get MythWeb working! It looks like a fantastic package!!

[23:31:10]

xris:

ByteChanger: download the tarball?

[23:31:24]

xris:

then again, I hate packages for web apps, so don't listen to me

[23:31:52]

xris:

your question/error messages also don't make much sense (grammatically speaking)

[23:32:04]

ByteChanger:

lol... I suspect I'm just doing something wrong ...

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xris:

if you're running mythtv from svn, you need to run mythweb from svn, too

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ByteChanger:

ah, that makes sense!

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ByteChanger:

hah

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ByteChanger:

I've been following guides from various sites & trying to patch them together to get it all to work....

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ByteChanger:

thank you...

[23:33:30]

xris:

for mythweb, use the readme. I tried to make it easy to follow.

[23:33:53]

ByteChanger:

I used this for the mythtv svn: svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv

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ByteChanger:

How do i get the mythweb svn? just .../trunk/mythweb ?

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xris:

trunk/mythplugins/mythweb

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xris:

or just trunk/mythplugins and build all of them (mythvideo, mythmusic, etc)

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hads:

Yeah, plugins are good for you.

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ByteChanger:

sweeet! Thanks!

[23:36:48]

xris:

although I don't think mythweb actually has an installer there. you generally just copy it into your web directory and make a few additions to your apache config.

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stuarta:

T-15mins and counting to PS3 launch in the uk

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akifdino:

the font which is used to display epg data in G.A.N.T theme is quite small, can i change it? has anyone else got this problem?

[23:45:41]

knowledgejunkie:

T-16mins until they appear on eBay

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akifdino:

stuarta: do you want one of those?

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stuarta:

not yet. i'll let the dust settle first

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stuarta:

plus i already have plenty of toys...

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akifdino:

ohh got no, after a rescan of my channels all the icons are lost

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akifdino:

stuarta: heheh ;)

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stuarta:

test out the new script for the icons then

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akifdino:

the new script works very well, but it doesn't do it automatically, it asks me for nearly every channel

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stuarta:

it's currently "in training" :)

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** sokminer wonders if 'in training' = beat it about the head and shoulders :) **

[23:49:30]

stuarta:

only a little bit of beating required

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sokminer:

:)

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stuarta:

ran it once, 3 bug reports :)

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gbee:

got a ticket open about the channel data being lost on a rescan, that's a nasty regression

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akifdino:

it uploads after the scan information to mythtv.org can't this be used again? i did a scan with it before

[23:51:18]

xris:

akifdino: not enough people have reported in about channel icons, so I haven't approved very many matches.

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gbee:

akifdino: that information uploaded to mythtv.org needs to be approved by an admin first

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akifdino:

i see

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stuarta:

gbee: loses any info you have like hidden channels

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akifdino:

well, i did let him send about 160 channels

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xris:

I have no way to verify that zap2it id 12312 matches a particular channel icon

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xris:

akifdino: you should only have to do it once.

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xris:

could always just dump/reload your channel table.

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akifdino:

xris: i did it once, but i had to rescan my channels, and after rescan i lost all my icons

[23:52:42]

gbee:

stuarta: loses xmltvid, channel icon, useonairguide etc Can't remember if the hidden channels column was one of those affected

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stuarta:

it is, reverts to what's in the SDT

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tjl30:

installing mythtv is confusing

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akifdino:

tjl30: why

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gbee:

tjl30: but well worth it!

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akifdino:

gbee: thats true, mythtv is coool

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achew22:

xris, since you took it out of the contrib folder and put it in the actual code, where can I go to set that up?

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gbee:

I suppose you should be grateful that you're installing 0.20 – earlier versions were even harder and more confusing, slowly, very slowly things are improving

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gbee:

achew22: it's still in the contrib folder atm

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achew22:

gbee, xris said he took it out...

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gbee:

no he removed master_iconmap from contrib and replaced it with a new script, still in contrib (and still in the master_iconmap dir)

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** achew22 does a svn up **

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gbee:

eventually it will be integrated into mythtv-setup and mythweb, but for now it's still run manually from there

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achew22:

nope channel_icons.pl is the only executable

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stuarta:

that's the new script

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achew22:

oh... damn I was hoping he had put it into mythweb

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akifdino:

at least there is somthing, first i did the icons manually, god thats a lot of work

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