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Wednesday, March 21st, 2007, 00:12 UTC

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ubuntuEdgy:

hu

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ubuntuEdgy:

hi*

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ubuntuEdgy:

is it possible to provide muthtv with two music directory's

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wolfspiri2:

have you tried making a symlink to the other directory in your 1st music directory?

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ubuntuEdgy:

no

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ubuntuEdgy:

how do i do this please

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ubuntuEdgy:

i just want to add a cd rom

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ubuntuEdgy:

with all my mp3s

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wolfspiri2:

in the music directory type ln -s /mnt/cdrom cdrom

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wolfspiri2:

and it will create a symlink to the cdrom directory under the music directory.. so it should get searched too

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ubuntuEdgy:

what the music directory , do you know ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

its /var/lib what ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

i will look in mythtv dont worry

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wolfspiri2:

is there a mythtv frontend that is lighter than the standard.. something simple that will just allow me to stream the live tv feed to another computer? like through a web interface, etc. ?

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GreyFoxx:

define lighter

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wolfspiri2:

like maybe not even an interface.. maybe just a direct way to feed into the live tv stream using mplayer

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cesman:

mythstreamtv

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GreyFoxx:

wolfspiri2: Nothing that does livetv

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GreyFoxx:

there are a couple simple windows based apps, but I don't know if any do livetv

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ubuntuEdgy:

what dose it mean by .

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ubuntuEdgy:

ln: creating symbolic link `cdrom' to `/mnt/cdrom': Function not implemented

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cesman:

I believe the latest mythstreamtv does livetv

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GreyFoxx:

cesman: I was unaware there was a new mythstreamtv. Most people just complain about it being so old, long before the livetv rewrite

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ubuntuEdgy:

my cd rom is here by the way /media/cdrom0

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cesman:

well, it isn't new new....

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cesman:

maybe about 2 to 3 months

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GreyFoxx:

cool. You wouldn't happen to have a link to it would ya ?

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cesman:

you can even change channels

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cesman:

sorry, not offhand

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ubuntuEdgy:

wolfspiri2: linking did not work ?

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harryman100:

Does anyone know how I can tell LIRC to ignore duplicate "keypresses"? I am getting a lot of repeated events from lircd, and I would like to just ignore them until a gap of a certain size has appeared in the events

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cesman:

GreyFoxx: http://jochensserver.dyndns.org/

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GreyFoxx:

Thanks

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GreyFoxx:

I'll have to check that out

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ubuntuEdgy:

change repeat = 1 to 0

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ubuntuEdgy:

can any one help me

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ubuntuEdgy:

no ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok bye

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linuxbomb:

whats the best distro for mythtv?

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ByteChanger:

Hi all, I'm wondering what options I should configure Mythtv with if I have a ATI Radeon 9600? --enable-xvmc ??? I don't seem to get a OSD with xvmc...

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GreyFoxx:

whatever you know best

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ByteChanger:

Just out to my monitor is fine for now...

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dustybin:

linuxbomb: the best distro for mythtv is probably stable distros like fedora, debian. stay away from unstable distros like ubuntu..

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cesman:

linuxbomb: KnoppMyth

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harzi:

hmpf, when myth records a show, i can't view live-tv with my second, third or forth tuner :(

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harzi:

and even worse, the recordeing channel changes

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i10neorg:

I have an NTSC and an ATSC tuner card that get their signal from broadcast (over the air).

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i10neorg:

I have a DataDirect program listing with both analog and digital channels coming in.

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i10neorg:

So I have both sharing that source for program information.

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kslater:

i10neorg – you need 2 separate listings for that if you have channel overlap

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kslater:

That's similar to what I have with DirecTV and HD OTA

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i10neorg:

kslater: Thanks for the reply.

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kslater:

seems like all the answer guys have been scared off tonight. :-)

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i10neorg:

How can I get two listings? labs.zap2it.com just has the one for OTA.

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i10neorg:

kslater: Your time to shine! ;^)

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kslater:

pick a 2nd one with a neighboring zip

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i10neorg:

Ah, that's the trick, eh?

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i10neorg:

Okay, I'll look into that, thank you!

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kslater:

I don't actually have that problem b/c one of my feeds is satellite. But I do have 2 sources, with 2 different names for the same station. 1 in HD and 1 in SD from the sat.

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i10neorg:

Yeah, so you have repeat program listing in your program guide because one is sd and one is hd?

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kslater:

yea

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kslater:

but it's all good because you can grab 2 shows at that same time and you can actually say whether to favor HD or not.

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kslater:

very flexible

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i10neorg:

Yeah, seems that's the way it needs to be, because sometime you want one, and sometimes the other, even though the majority of the time the programming is the same.

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i10neorg:

Right.

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kslater:

harzi – you have 4 tuners?

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harzi:

kslater: heh, not really: a pvr-500 with two analog tuner and a bt878 for nxtvepg and live-tv, and at the pvr-500 i attached e set top box via s-video

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kslater:

yikes

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kslater:

no wonder you have troubles

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harzi:

kslater: hm, you recommend to disable the bt878?

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kslater:

what feeds the 2 analog tuners in the pvr500

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kslater:

?

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harzi:

cable-tv

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harzi:

it is all from the same cable

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kslater:

ok, so no need to 'change' the channel, you just tune to a different channel for those, right?

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kslater:

I'd say, drop the bt878 for now. Get the 2 tuners in the pvr 500 working the way you want.

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kslater:

What's feeding the svideo in?

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harzi:

a digital set top box

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harzi:

"digital" means dvb-c

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kslater:

so a satellite box?

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harzi:

no, dvb via cable

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kslater:

having trouble thinking thru this. I'm wondering if the svideo source is trying to change the channel

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kslater:

have you ever had the 2 analog tuners doing the right thing?

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harzi:

kslater: yes

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kslater:

then you added?

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harzi:

yes, resp changed order, due to problems with tuner-priority

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kslater:

I don't have much in the way of suggestions harzi. I guess I'd back off to what I had working and add 1 thing at a time.

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harzi:

ok, i try... but rather tomorrow

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TSCHAK:

huh, mythgame's behaviour has changed recently

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TSCHAK:

i loaded romdb, and cleared, and updated my game list, and I get a list of the filenames, but no descriptive names

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GreyFoxx:

tstm: Go to GameSettings, General Settings. Is Indepth scan turned on ?

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TSCHAK:

yes, I noticed that

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TSCHAK:

and i redumped the romdb table back into the tdb.

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TSCHAK:

erm, db.

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GreyFoxx:

Also see if "Display filenames in gametree" is turned on or not If it's on, turn it off

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TSCHAK:

it's off.

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TSCHAK:

i get lists like 'invaders' instead of Space Invaders

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TSCHAK:

i am running xmame 0.106

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GreyFoxx:

That's irrelevant

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GreyFoxx:

all of the identificaton is done internal to mythgame

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TSCHAK:

Found Rom : (Arcade) – excitebk.zip

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TSCHAK:

Found Rom : (Arcade) – exctleag.zip ....

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jd86:

Is it okay to have livetv recordings in the same directory as default recording storage?

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GreyFoxx:

jd86: Unless you are running SVN with storage groups that's what happens...so yes it's ok

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jd86:

GreyFoxx, I am svn trunk

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GreyFoxx:

well, it still stands. Since that's how it's normally done nothing is wrong with it :)

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jd86:

just making sure, should I not define a directory for it — or is it okay to do so?

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GreyFoxx:

Personally I didn't define any .

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GreyFoxx:

tstm: Run this in mysql

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GreyFoxx:

select system,romname,gamename,crc_value from gamemetadata where romname = "excitebk.zip";

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GreyFoxx:

Cause I have the same file, and It's not identified on my system either, so I want to see if you have the crc_value;

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** GreyFoxx checks the latest xmame source to see if it would have recognized it **

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GreyFoxx:

Doesn't look like xmame wouldn't have matched it on the crc either

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GreyFoxx:

I'll have to rerun these though, look for any updates to the ones in romdb and update romdb data in the plugin

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chuck_:

i've got myth running for user mythtv. that user can run irw and see buttons pressed.... but the .lircrc file doesn't seem to be working when mythfrontend is running.... what permissions/ownership restrictions is that file supposed to have?

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cesman:

chuck_:

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cesman:

chuck_: mythtv doesn't use .lircrc

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cesman:

it uses ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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chuck_:

maybe that's the problem

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chuck_:

right, its in the mythtv user's home directory. but it has a . before it. should i remove the .?

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cesman:

that isn't what I have above

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chuck_:

oh i guess i understand that wrong

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cesman:

it should be in the .mythtv directory in the user's home directory

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chuck_:

ooohhhh.... woops

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chuck_:

gotcha now

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cesman:

and it isn't hidden, so no .

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chuck_:

does root own it? or is it the mythtv user?

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cesman:

mythtv

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chuck_:

okay, thanks

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chuck_:

should i restart mythbackend after moving it?

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cesman:

it would be a good idea to symlink

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cesman:

no

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chuck_:

okay i'll give that a try. thanks cesman

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cesman:

just exit frontend if it is running

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cesman:

you're welcome

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chuck_:

cesman: that worked. thanks again

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cesman:

you're welcome

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cesman:

:)

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chuck_:

you have no idea how long i've been working on this

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cesman:

chuck_: note:other apps want ~/.lircrc so

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cesman:

ln -s ~/.mythtv/lircrc ~/.lircrc

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chuck_:

yeah, the howto i have wasn't totally clear b/c it wasn't specifically geared toward mythtv

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chuck_:

this will be a dedicated myth box so i don't really need it anywhere else though

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chuck_:

now all i need to do is add a few buttons to that, get tv-out working on this video card (easy), and buy some quieter hardware

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cesman:

:)

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jd86:

Has anyone had problems with (I am svn trunk) multiple transcoding jobs starting, and eventually enough (for the same job mind you) are started that the system (or something or not) kills mythbackend and the load is like 16/17?

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chuck_:

that'll be a project for another night

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achew22:

has anyone played with the code for mythtvplayer?

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wolfspiri2:

couldn't get mythstreamtv working.. anyone get it working with the latest version?

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harryman100:

Hi, I've just installed mythweb

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harryman100:

(whoops, pressed enter – ignore that)

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echosyp:

does anyone have a wintv usb2

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echosyp:

wintv pvr usb2*

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cesman:

echosyp: #pvrusb2

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echosyp:

werd

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echosyp:

thanks

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cesman:

you're welcome

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SirTuxalot:

did anyone by chance answer my earlier question...I had to step away and my session timed out...thank you

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defaultro:

guys, I never tried Bob filter. I've always used Linear and am very happy with it. Is Bob better than Linear?

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hads:

If you are very happy with Linear then there's no reason to go looking around.

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defaultro:

but there could be room for improvement that I might be missing

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defaultro:

I will try it later

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defaultro:

but theoretically/mathematically, should Bob be better?

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cesman:

folks say BOB is better, but I couldn't tell ya

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cesman:

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8524

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SirTuxalot:

Hello, I am in the process of setting up a myth box. Is it possible to use a video card (ATI Rage 128) as an output device to a TV if so what other hardware would be needed, or should I get a card with TV or S-video out, if so any suggestions? Thanks

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[R]:

svideo out on those old cards is tricky

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[R]:

i could never get it working

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cesman:

get a card w/ an nvidia based chipset

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cesman:

5200

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SirTuxalot:

okay, what is the going rate on one of those

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ByteChanger:

~30$

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SirTuxalot:

Thank you for your help...

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AngryElf:

my HD died, taking all my recordings with it would a "delete from recorded where chanid > 0;" wipe the slate clean?

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AngryElf:

if not, which table do I need to delete from in order to start anew w/ no recordings

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Captain_Murdoch:

no, there are a couple other tables. recordedmarkup and possibly recordedseek depending on what version you are running,

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AngryElf:

.19

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AngryElf:

recordedprogram? recordedrating?

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Captain_Murdoch:

just do "truncate recorded; truncate recordedmarkup; truncate recordedseek;" recordedprogram, recordedcredits, and recordedrating get cleaned up by the housekeeper, but you can clear those out as well if you want.

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AngryElf:

curious: what does truncate do?

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Captain_Murdoch:

same as "delete from recorded;" but is faster since it just resets the table to empty.

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AngryElf:

sadly, i'm sure there's tons of useful sutff like that I could use :/

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Captain_Murdoch:

truncate is all or nothing, delete lets you use a where clause.

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AngryElf:

delete is for the weak

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chickeneater:

what is the best way to encode a recorded video file (.mpg) into xvid as a post-recording job?

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chickeneater:

so I won't have a hard drive full of 6000 kbps videos :P

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cesman:

search the archives

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cesman:

or wiki

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TSCHAK:

man, mythtv just keeps getting better

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TSCHAK:

i'm going to have to stack a whole bunch of 500GB drives :-P

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smro1:

has anyone had a problem with mytharchive 0.20 encoding to a very small bitrate? According to the log, it is trying to encode to 4 kb/s in SP mode.

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cesman:

I don't recall the bitrate, but no problems

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navreet:

what needs to have more horsepower to do capture+play HDTV? backend/frontend?

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navreet:

my gut says frontend, because it will be doing the decoding

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navreet:

but what if I want to do commercial skipping?

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cesman:

I created a DV that had almost 8 full hours

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cesman:

you need the horsepower in viewing, so fronten

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navreet:

cesman, what about the commercial detection?

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cesman:

darn d...

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cesman:

what about it?

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navreet:

cesman, isn't that done on the backend?

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cesman:

yes

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navreet:

therefore, wouldn't you need a good backend computer?

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navreet:

as well

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knowledgejunkie:

any ideas why the frontend EPG/MythWeb program listing will fail to display only certain channel icons, which a) exist, b) have same perms as the others, and c) used to work before the recent SVN move to ~/.mythtv/channels?

[04:13:39]

cesman:

if you are going to do HD, it is MHO that the more horsepower, the better

[04:13:52]

knowledgejunkie:

I have a recording in progress and so don't want to stop the backend to enable DB logging, but as far as I can see, there's no reason for these icons to not be displayed.

[04:14:17]

navreet:

cesman, more horespower in the backend as well?!

[04:14:42]

cesman:

if you are going to do HD, it is MHO that the more horsepower, the better

[04:16:01]

cesman:

you don't need a wizbang backend

[04:16:21]

cesman:

if you want commercial detection, etc. to go faster, get a whizbang backend

[04:22:09]

smro1:

cesman: did you use the SP setting for mytharchive? i suspect from the log that the -b 4771 setting for ffmpeg is supposed to be kbps, but is being interpreted as bps

[04:23:07]

cesman:

yes, I did

[04:23:39]

smro1:

ah, i see there is an unstable version in portage. i'll try that one and see if it's fixed. thanks

[04:24:18]

cesman:

you're welcome

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cesman:

gd lck

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t0ny-p40:

man this capture card looks different then I thought http://www.shop.com/op/~Hauppauge_Computer_Wo . . . sourceid=298

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hjohnson:

hahaha

[04:58:10]

hjohnson:

it's the new "risotto edition"

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echosyp_:

ok, so iv just gotten the pvrusb2 module loaded and mythtv-setup has found my tuner

[05:07:47]

echosyp_:

but, im at a loss now

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tank-man:

why?

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echosyp_:

it still doesn't work

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smro1:

cesman, ahh! for the record , it looks like this newer version of mytharchive uses -b 4771k for the bitrate option. i imagine this will solve the problem

[05:13:50]

echosyp_:

im readingthe wiki now

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echosyp_:

im setting up the video source

[05:19:07]

echosyp_:

but zap2it.com isn't loading

[05:19:12]

echosyp_:

probably my connectin

[05:35:35]

echosyp_:

MythTv is already using all available inputs for the channel you selected.

[05:35:39]

echosyp_:

i didn't select a channel

[05:36:10]

echosyp_:

then it tells me to cancel an in progress recording

[05:36:13]

echosyp_:

i don't have any

[05:36:45]

echosyp_:

Resolving datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com... failed: Temporary failure in name resolution.

[05:37:12]

echosyp_:

i also get that when i run /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend

[05:40:23]

onewheelskyward:

what happens when you ping www.google.com?

[05:41:39]

echosyp_:

i get a reply

[05:41:55]

echosyp_:

i lied

[05:41:59]

echosyp_:

unknown host

[05:42:05]

echosyp_:

i guess my dns is down

[05:42:07]

echosyp_:

again

[05:43:13]

onewheelskyward:

I had the same thing happen.

[05:43:22]

onewheelskyward:

Check your resolv.conf.

[05:43:29]

echosyp_:

its my apt complex

[05:43:33]

echosyp_:

happens all the time

[05:43:39]

onewheelskyward:

Oh, that sucks.

[05:43:42]

echosyp_:

yeah

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echosyp_:

i just didn't realize it happened in the last 30 seconds

[05:44:13]

onewheelskyward:

Maybe you can find a public name server rather than relying on your apt complex's?

[05:44:42]

echosyp_:

yeah, i did

[05:44:46]

echosyp_:

i added one

[05:44:51]

echosyp_:

its working now

[05:45:08]

echosyp_:

but will that fix the first issue i had, when i try to watch live tv

[05:47:50]

onewheelskyward:

Running mythfilldatabase is never a bad thing.

[05:49:05]

echosyp_:

i guess i should wait until this finishes downloading these files

[05:49:08]

echosyp_:

its slow

[05:49:15]

echosyp_:

using this dns sucks

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onewheelskyward:

It's always slow.

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onewheelskyward:

If you want to eliminate the DNS resolution time, add the server to your hosts file.

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echosyp_:

i wouldn't know, this is my first use

[05:50:07]

echosyp_:

hosts allow?

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onewheelskyward:

aah, no worries. Walk away for a bit. :)

[05:56:11]

echosyp_:

how long does this usually take, im losing sleep to do this

[05:57:04]

echosyp_:

nvm

[05:57:07]

echosyp_:

it finished

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onewheelskyward:

I started mine about 10 minutes ago, and it's still running.

[05:58:57]

echosyp_:

i just did mythfilldatabase

[05:59:24]

echosyp_:

hopefully after that i will be able to watch tv

[06:10:59]

echosyp_:

im still getting that first error

[06:11:09]

echosyp_:

"Mythtv is already using all available inputs for the channel you selected"

[06:12:38]

echosyp_:

so i figured id try and record something then watch it

[06:12:47]

echosyp_:

but it crashed

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echosyp_:

im gonna reboot

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banyan:

off topic question: I wanna take an html page with a css stylesheet and turn it into a pdf or a postscript document. I know there are html-to-postscript tools but I don't know of any that support css.

[06:51:14]

banyan:

do you?

[06:51:33]

eV64:

pdf printer

[06:51:58]

eV64:

don't know of a free one for linux, but i know doPDF is a good one for windows, look on google

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banyan:

well sure but I want to script this.

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banyan:

so that's a user-interface solution, though I was hoping to do it with command line type interfaces.

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eV64:

no idea

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eV64:

script a print job?

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eV64:

i'm a linux noob

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t0ny-p40:

banyan, with firefox I think you can print to a ps file

[07:47:57]

Zider:

or ps2pdf

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akifdino:

where is rulek?

[08:55:30]

Dagmar:

Why would we know?

[08:56:01]

akifdino:

Dagmar: i don't know, i thought maybe someone has seen him these days here

[08:57:29]

akifdino:

does anyone know which firmware is the latest one for the alphacrypt light?

[09:10:45]

akifdino:

is there a way to sort channels with mythtv? like sorting radio stations separately then tv stations?

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[09:14:18]

stuarta:

!seen rulek

[09:14:19]

MythLogBot:

rulek has not been seen here

[09:14:31]

akifdino:

ohh

[09:15:18]

Dagmar:

You know, there's this new site that went up recently that may help

[09:15:37]

Dagmar:

This company has all these machines just downloading people's web pages over and over...

[09:15:57]

akifdino:

Dagmar: ??? no what do you mean? not the wiki, do you?

[09:16:12]

stuarta:

haha

[09:16:15]

Dagmar:

...and then they run some math over it, and look for common words, and stick it all in a giant database and you can then query the database and find out what pages it's seen with that information in them

[09:16:24]

Dagmar:

It's at http://www.google.com

[09:16:27]

Dagmar:

You should really check it out.

[09:16:42]

Dagmar:

...instead of asking us.

[09:17:03]

akifdino:

i did and couldn't find anything usefull, so i asked here

[09:17:10]

Dagmar:

Support channels are *not* supposed to be a human interface for search engine websites.

[09:17:27]

Dagmar:

You're supposed to search the web FIRST, and then ask questions that RELATE TO THE TOPIC in the right channel.

[09:17:37]

akifdino:

i did and couldn't find anything usefull, so i asked here

[09:17:48]

Dagmar:

Let me repeat part of that

[09:18:01]

Dagmar:

...questions that RELATE TO THE TOPIC in the right channel

[09:18:11]

Dagmar:

This aint #where'srandomppl

[09:19:10]

Dagmar:

...and there's probably a channel specifically for dealing with the cam card because Myth doesn't deal with anything beyond ivtv and v4l

[09:19:38]

akifdino:

Dagmar: have you got a list of questions which are allowed?

[09:19:54]

Dagmar:

The more pointless, thoughtless, and unrelated questsions you ask, the more likely people are to ignore you.

[09:19:59]

akifdino:

maybe i should google for that list

[09:20:03]

Dagmar:

Maybe you should.

[09:20:20]

** stuarta hands out chill pills **

[09:20:39]

Dagmar:

Helll, I'm trying to be helpful

[09:20:52]

Dibblah:

Dagmar: That's not right.

[09:20:55]

akifdino:

i know, and i wouldn't ask if i would have found that

[09:21:05]

Dibblah:

Myth _does_ CAMs, as I've explained to you before.

[09:21:15]

Dagmar:

Dibblah: It accesses them directly?

[09:21:22]

akifdino:

Dibblah: my cam works meanwhile

[09:21:23]

Dibblah:

And... Well. mythtv-users is rather wandery anyway ;)

[09:21:41]

Dagmar:

C'mon. I was waiting for him to ask about a curry recipe or something next.

[09:21:45]

Dibblah:

Dagmar: It uses the CAM in the same way any app does.

[09:22:07]

Dagmar:

Dibblah: I was under the impression it went through v4l to access cams

[09:22:19]

Dibblah:

Uh... Huh?

[09:22:25]

Dagmar:

...and people asking about ivtv firmwares generally get pointed at their wiki

[09:22:36]

stuarta:

Dagmar: the stuff we won't talk about is <insert thingy here> that replaces the CAM

[09:22:41]

Dibblah:

Which is exactly the same way that vdr & co do.

[09:23:02]

Dagmar:

stuarta: A carefully trimmed saltine?

[09:23:15]

Dibblah:

Too thin.

[09:23:18]

stuarta:

or wet anchovie.

[09:23:21]

Dagmar:

Bummer

[09:23:22]

Dibblah:

Rivita may do.

[09:23:47]

stuarta:

using the CAM is simple (from a logic point of view)

[09:23:58]

Dibblah:

As long as you don't need menus.

[09:24:02]

stuarta:

encrypted stream -> feed to CAM -> unencrypted stream

[09:24:07]

Dibblah:

Well, interactive menus.

[09:24:27]

Dibblah:

Which is all automated in the card, mostly.

[09:24:45]

Dibblah:

There's only a few "control" things you have to set.

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Dagmar:

Speakin' of saltines, I need to run and get din-din

[09:31:17]

stuarta:

what the heck is a saltine?

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onewheelskyward:

It's a light, salted cracker.

[09:35:46]

onewheelskyward:

Very yummy when salted appropriately.

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Dibblah:

stuarta: This isn't the cracker discussion channel!

[09:36:30]

** onewheelskyward is a crackersmacktalker **

[09:36:30]

Dibblah:

stuarta: Ask google. Sheesh, it's like you don't even know how to use basic technology yet.

[09:36:42]

Dibblah:

</pisstaking>

[09:37:34]

onewheelskyward:

Wow, google really is basic technology. When did that happen?

[09:38:15]

Dibblah:

Well, it's not acidic, is it?

[09:46:32]

** stuarta prefers to think of it as a cousin of the anchovie **

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[09:48:35]

akifdino:

can i ask mythweb related questions?

[09:48:55]

stuarta:

of course

[09:49:41]

akifdino:

mythweb did show me in the past the album cover which was in the same directory, but since i have a svn version it doesn't show it anymore. where could i start looking for the failure

[09:50:19]

stuarta:

that area is being rewritten iirc

[09:51:47]

stuarta:

look in your webservers error logs.

[09:53:02]

akifdino:

if i use dvb, does it make sence to use a grabber like xmltv or will this be handeld by mythtv and the epg which is transmitted via dvb?

[09:53:32]

stuarta:

which country?

[09:53:36]

akifdino:

germany

[09:54:06]

stuarta:

try the eit data, it's usable for people

[09:54:22]

stuarta:

some people however prefer the xmltv grabbers

[09:54:39]

stuarta:

due to having longer/more/better data

[09:54:47]

stuarta:

YMMV

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akifdino:

stuarta: thank you

[09:55:34]

stuarta:

there's a ticket open that adds premiere PPV eit data as well

[09:55:47]

akifdino:

stuarta: ohh, where can i find it?

[09:56:00]

stuarta:

2418

[09:57:48]

akifdino:

stuarta: for mythtv0.20 will i have to use the patch version v2?

[09:57:59]

stuarta:

svn head only

[09:58:21]

akifdino:

trunk?

[09:59:12]

stuarta:

yeah, that's the only one it's written for

[09:59:52]

stuarta:

but it's not of use unless you have the relevant CAMs & cards to watch premiere

[10:00:20]

akifdino:

stuarta: i've this cam, but topics to cam is to welcome here

[10:00:32]

akifdino:

s/to/not/

[10:00:35]

stuarta:

*legal* CAMs are welcome

[10:00:54]

stuarta:

and used by a number of people

[10:01:00]

akifdino:

i bought it for 59 euros yesterday, it is a alphacrypt light cam, sure it is legal

[10:01:16]

akifdino:

stuarta: thank you very very much for your help

[10:01:20]

stuarta:

assuming that's the standard method used in germany to decrypt it.

[10:01:53]

akifdino:

stuarta: i don't know how it is solved in germany but i took this cam, put my card inside and i can make use of it luckily

[10:01:54]

stuarta:

CAM + viewing card = normal

[10:02:17]

stuarta:

if you are a paid up subscriber you are welcome to ask questions.

[10:02:40]

stuarta:

otherwise you will get rude responses

[10:03:05]

akifdino:

i had two cams which i took from a friend, both didn't work at the beginning, a alphacrypt and a diablo, the alphacrypt was broken and the diablo didn't work

[10:03:19]

akifdino:

but the one i bought yesterday works great

[10:03:22]

stuarta:

but also firmwares for these we don't deal with at all

[10:03:34]

stuarta:

hence the grief you got early

[10:03:37]

stuarta:

earlier

[10:04:23]

stuarta:

biab

[10:04:28]

akifdino:

the channel zap time takes quite a while and i did read that a newer firmware could solve this problem. i bought it a a huge store

[10:06:58]

akifdino:

stuarta: the patch does not compile with the latest svn

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Dagmar:

People using the head of SVN are expected to be able to solve these little problems. :/

[10:10:57]

akifdino:

Dagmar: so you know which error occured?

[10:14:10]

akifdino:

there is an integer variable called dvb_cc_len double defined in avcodec.h after the patch

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akifdino:

stuarta: unfortunately apache does not give any errors when i access the music module and look to the albumes.

[10:22:22]

Dagmar:

<-- this is me, not being bothered.

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akifdino:

those records which are made during watching a channel, can they be seen/deleted by mythweb?

[11:06:51]

Dibblah:

They're EOLing QT3? Before 4 is actually in distros? Nice.

[11:07:11]

stuarta:

and just after releasing a buggy 3.3.8?

[11:07:46]

Dibblah:

You haven't done any mythui work, have you?

[11:08:03]

Dibblah:

Taken a quick look at the branch and not much impressed :(

[11:08:06]

stuarta:

no i avoid it

[11:08:37]

Dibblah:

This damn kitchen touchscreen is going to be the bane of my life. I can tell. :(

[11:09:17]

stuarta:

which branch were you looking at? qt or myth?

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Dibblah:

mythui

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Dibblah:

Somehow I doubt that QT4 is going to help me much ;)

[11:11:02]

stuarta:

it's going to be a bit of a bastard.

[11:11:02]

Dibblah:

Lotta work :(

[11:16:51]

onewheelskyward:

mmm...refactorific.

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Dibblah:

... if anyone cares ;)

[11:20:51]

Dibblah:

Please ignore the lack of painting over the filled depth-testing hole :)

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Dibblah:

Skills learnt: Misusing a router table for Aluminium, sanding, polishing, welding Alu, minimising depth of commercial screens,...

[11:22:16]

GreyFoxx:

Using a standard touchscreen monitor or one of the touchscreentablets ?

[11:22:26]

Dibblah:

See the link above.

[11:22:36]

Dibblah:

Ah.

[11:22:49]

GreyFoxx:

I'm looking at the picture, just curious about the hardware :)

[11:23:07]

GreyFoxx:

I have an unused touchscreen (15") laying around doing nothing

[11:23:12]

Dibblah:

It was a commercial touchscreen from a kiosk kinda thing.

[11:23:17]

GreyFoxx:

ahhh same here

[11:23:27]

GreyFoxx:

I even have the metal kiosk it was in

[11:23:34]

Dibblah:

So elotouch SAW really nice touchscreen.

[11:23:36]

GreyFoxx:

and a 2nd one in storage with touchscreen attached :)

[11:23:42]

GreyFoxx:

mine elo as well

[11:23:58]

Dibblah:

If you're planning on using USB -> Serial... Don't ;)

[11:24:09]

GreyFoxx:

I can't find the PS for it though, and can't find specs on it to get a new one

[11:24:24]

Dibblah:

The touchscreen is 5v.

[11:24:43]

Dibblah:

The monitor will _probably_ be 12v @ 4A peak or so.

[11:25:14]

GreyFoxx:

http://pics.phaze.org/?album=albums/2005/08-0 . . . nMythTV&

[11:25:19]

GreyFoxx:

That's the last time I had mine out

[11:25:30]

GreyFoxx:

lost the PS shortly after heh

[11:25:40]

Dibblah:

This one has an embedded PSU – Which makes it even less fun since all of the heat is behind the wall.

[11:25:50]

Dibblah:

Assorted fannery fixes that, though.

[11:27:35]

Dibblah:

Your frame is nicer than mine.

[11:28:03]

Dibblah:

Mine was a normal monitor chassis with the touchscreen just fixed to the surface.

[11:28:30]

Dibblah:

chassis as in the metal bit, not the plastics.

[11:28:33]

GreyFoxx:

ahhh. this was just attached directly into the metal kiosk I took it from

[11:28:39]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

[11:29:06]

GreyFoxx:

I've still got the PC around here it was connected to. Only a 350mhz machine I think so not too useful to me for myth purposes

[11:29:10]

Dibblah:

I actually think the blank Alu finish looks OK.

[11:29:18]

GreyFoxx:

toobad cause it's tiny

[11:29:34]

GreyFoxx:

Dibblah: yeah, it's nice

[11:30:04]

Dibblah:

However, it's quite amazing how fast the sheet can move when the router bit catches.

[11:30:20]

Dibblah:

Covered the whole length of the garage.

[11:30:31]

Dibblah:

Must get my mill up some time soon :(

[11:31:08]

Dibblah:

And not misuse woodworking tools _quite_ so excessively :)

[11:31:31]

GreyFoxx:

I'd love to find a use for my touschscreen now. I just can't think of anything around here where it would actually get used

[11:35:23]

Dibblah:

Well, I bought mine for the milling machine. And happened to buy 3 others to scatter.

[11:35:47]

Dibblah:

... Since the price was good :)

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stuarta:

milling machine. that's a real nice toy...

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Dibblah:

Yeah. It will be :)

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Dibblah:

http://pendor.org/shared/CIMG2757.JPG

[11:40:12]

Dibblah:

Ignore my pipe bending skills, but that's most of the PSU for it :)

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rsdvd:

Hi All.....can anyone please talk me though installing a BT878 capture card? (I am aware it is less than optimal for myth :-) ).......but I cannot get the /dev/video devices to show up :-(

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Dibblah:

rsdvd: What's the entirety of your dmesg?

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Dibblah:

Pastebin...

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stuarta:

you need the bttv modules

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rsdvd:

stuarta : I have modprobed the bttv and bt878 modules......and I still don't have the /dev/video0 entry

[11:45:22]

Dibblah:

rsdvd: You need udev.

[11:45:29]

rsdvd:

I know the card works (It was pulled from another working system).....and it shows under lspci so I know it is seated properly

[11:45:36]

Dibblah:

The device appears to be there and working.

[11:46:42]

rsdvd:

Dibblah : I have never played with udev rules....do you know what I need to add?

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stuarta:

check it's installed first

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rsdvd:

this box is a fedora core 6 – and it does use udev......I just never touched it :-)

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Dibblah:

You shouldn't need to play with the rules at all.

[11:47:37]

clever:

i think if it isinstalled right the automated stuff should do everything for you

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rsdvd:

that is what I thought – but even though it shows under lspci....the kudzu auto config thing never started at the last reboot

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gbee:

anyone give an example signal strength value for a Nova-T 500 from dvbtune (etc)

[11:57:16]

gbee:

?

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Dagmar:

47 and 9/13ths

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gbee:

Dagmar: perfect, thanks

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juski:

afternoon all

[12:15:13]

gbee:

juski: hi

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juski:

gbee: bid on any nice tuner cards lately? ;)

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stuarta:

afternoon already? blimey. hi juski

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rsdvd:

howdy juski

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juski:

aye just logged in while I munch me lunch

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stuarta:

i now have a test machine / slave backend :)

[12:16:31]

stuarta:

that reminds me. already discovered one bug :)

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gbee:

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juski:

yeah I saw a 'gbee'-ish username bid on a 150 card on the fleabay yesterday

[12:17:28]

gbee:

stuarta: join the club, found a few bugs this week

[12:17:39]

** gbee is being stalked **

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juski:

I was having a look too, presumably before the daft prices

[12:17:57]

stuarta:

sadly no time to even look much further

[12:18:16]

stuarta:

possibly a configuration issue....

[12:18:57]

juski:

my backend keeps farting & following through

[12:19:15]

stuarta:

2nd tuner is now in the slave backend, and i have "avoid conflicts with scheduled recordings set"

[12:19:24]

stuarta:

ie. use the 2nd tuner rather then the first

[12:19:26]

juski:

reckon it's about due a cleanup & oopgrade

[12:19:54]

stuarta:

try and watch livetv on the master/frontend and it craps out

[12:20:21]

stuarta:

cause it's actually trying to use the card in the slave.

[12:20:43]

juski:

oopsie

[12:21:04]

stuarta:

i'm wondering if one of the magic upgrades didn't set the livetv storage group on the master.

[12:21:10]

juski:

I'm beginning to suspect that my frontend is actually what's making the backend poo itself

[12:22:09]

gbee:

ran into a bug with the storage groups, where it was using the livetv group for recordings which didn't work out so well considering the livetv space was just over 3Gb :(

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gbee:

the reason for such a silly small space was that the disk were still partitioned from when the ringbuffer still existed – I didn't want to see the old livetv partition go to waste, but there doesn't seem to be an alternative as long as that bug still remains

[12:25:53]

janneg:

stuarta: the storage group code should fail back to the Default storage group if the live-tv group doesn't exists

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janneg:

-s

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janneg:

gbee: it should work, as long no of your live-tv recordings exceed 3G

[12:28:13]

gbee:

anyway, if anyone wants to benchmark the patch in #3041 I'd appreciate it – especially if that user who benchmarked the first patch is around :D

[12:28:48]

stuarta:

janneg: that's what i thought. hence more digging required

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juski:

well folks, back to the grind :(

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gbee:

janneg: it didn't work, because it used the livetv group for ordinary recordings in preference to the default group – which caused those recordings to be expired when livetv was started

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janneg:

gbee: huh. that shouldn't happen. iirc I failed to schedule ordinary recordings into the live-tv group when testing the sorage group patch

[12:33:29]

gbee:

janneg: that's why I'm calling it a bug, but I don't have the time to debug it right now

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** seth|work gives props to mythdora **

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kslater:

mythdora is good work if you ask me.

[15:02:46]

seth|work:

I had a frontend/slave backend up and running in 12 minutes

[15:02:50]

kslater:

is there a way to tell something like Kino or Avidemux that you only have an 800 x 600 display? They seem to assume 1024 x 768

[15:03:27]

kslater:

seth|work: what version are you using of mythdora? 3.2?

[15:03:34]

seth|work:

kslater: yes

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seth|work:

dvd version

[15:03:46]

kslater:

it comes on dvd now?

[15:04:09]

kslater:

I'm still on 2.32 (with myth upgraded to .20–147) on 2 boxes

[15:04:31]

stuarta:

tested a 4.0 alpha last night. looked good

[15:04:50]

kslater:

man Dennis has been busy

[15:05:00]

kslater:

what's he using as a base OS these days?

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stuarta:

one i tested was fc6

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seth|work:

well 3.2 is FC5 kern.2.6.18

[15:06:24]

kslater:

I thought people were shying (sp?) away from FC6 b/c of performance reasons?

[15:06:24]

seth|work:

but I beleive he is using FC6 now, he has links to a howto, very good one actually

[15:07:00]

kslater:

also wasn't there some talk of using Centos under mythdora to provide a better long term platform?

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kslater:

that's my only regret. I have to either update my mythdora installations, which work great as is btw, or I have to forgo running some new stuff that doesn't have packages for FC4. FC's turn over too quickly for devices that become part of the family.

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seth|work:

well installing 3.2 was very easy, and my KM and gentoo versions must have been close or the same as the .20–165 that mythdora came with, because after editing the mysql.txt file and stuff, I connected right to my backend, and it started commflagging, almost instantly

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kslater:

hmm. Going to have to really think about doing another upgrade cycle when 4.0 comes ready.

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gardengnome:

heya JimProfit

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Merlin83b:

How do I get started working out why my frontend is getting a "Cannot connect to master backend server — is it running?" message? I can connect to the db from the fe – is there a setting somewhere on the be to allow connections?

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seth|work:

is your backend a remote box, or the same physical box

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gardengnome:

you'll need to tell the BE that it needs to listen on the IP address of the external interface

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gardengnome:

... if it's on a different box

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seth|work:

if your fe is remote to the be, check your "mysql.txt" file in /home/user/.mythtv

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Merlin83b:

seth|work: Different box.

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Merlin83b:

gardengnome: Excellent, sounds spot on. Where do I tell it that?

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gbee:

mythtv-setup > General (iirc)

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gardengnome:

Merlin83b: in mythtv-setup

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seth|work:

that file says DBHostName give it the host name or ip address of the be

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gardengnome:

on the BE

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Merlin83b:

seth|work: Got that far already ;-)

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** Merlin83b toddles off to fiddle with the BE **

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gbee:

"netstat -atunp" should confirm that it's listening on the correct IP

[15:46:38]

Merlin83b:

Dammit, gf watching crap. Will have to wait for an ad break :)

[15:46:45]

Dagmar:

Hahah

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Merlin83b:

Unless I can do it from the command line?

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daviey:

Merlin83b, do you have ssh access?

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Dagmar:

As long as you don't kill the backend she can pick up where she left off later

[15:47:22]

Merlin83b:

daviey: I do indeed.

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** seth|work has a maintenance window to update all his boxes to mythdora 3.2 saturday between 10PM and 3AM **

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cdpuk:

exists* heh

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seth|work:

maybe /myth/pretty isn't linking the files correctly?

[15:57:14]

cdpuk:

Mm what exactly do you mean? Sorry, only been using this a couple of days – still learning how it all fits together

[15:57:44]

daviey:

i don't think FE uses pretty script

[15:58:27]

daviey:

there is an optional script that will add a symlink to the horrid filename and make a pretty one based on the show title

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seth|work:

well the fe recordings menu uses the link from /myth/pretty to populate the on screen stuff, if the directory structure changed, or the script is hosed, it may be looking for the file in the wrong place?? just a guess

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daviey:

i don't use the pretty script; so how does mine work?

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seth|work:

well my pretty script was default, I do not run it seperately, mythtv does

[16:01:55]

Merlin83b:

It doesn't use that to populate the recordings list though, it pulls that straight from the DB.

[16:03:28]

cdpuk:

I still don't understand how it can complain that there are missing files – but they clearly exist. I was hoping it might be something simple that I've done wrong. I'm not using anything to do with the pretty script afaik

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seth|work:

is the fe seperate from the backend?

[16:04:35]

seth|work:

as in on another box

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cdpuk:

Nope, both on the same

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daviey:

what user is running what?

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daviey:

both frontend and backend running as 'mythtv'?

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daviey:

it's odd as FE doesn't know about recording file names. It streams it from the BE

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GreyFoxx:

daviey: Actually it does know the name

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daviey:

GreyFoxx, does it care?

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GreyFoxx:

It can be gotten both froimi the database and the mythprotocol which returns the filename along with the title/description/etc

[16:10:24]

daviey:

ie actually use it?

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GreyFoxx:

it can yes

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GreyFoxx:

if the file is available "locally" it will play it directly

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daviey:

thats only if it is mounted in the same location FE right?

[16:10:45]

GreyFoxx:

otherwise it will use the mythprotocol

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GreyFoxx:

daviey: I believe so, or at least in the same location setup under mythtv-setup on that frontend

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GreyFoxx:

Merlin83b: Did you also restart mythbackend afterward ?

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Merlin83b:

(I did restart mythbackend)

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Merlin83b:

:)

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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gbee:

Merlin83b: have you checked that it's actually listening?

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cdpuk:

daviey, thank you! Gotta love stupid mistakes. The BE was running as mythtv, but I was running the FE as my own username

[16:13:55]

cdpuk:

Assumed it would work before because the file permissions on the storage directory were quite relaxed

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GreyFoxx:

cdpuk: Hmmm. That shouldn't be a problem

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Merlin83b:

tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:6543 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1981/mythbackend

[16:14:13]

Merlin83b:

Looks like it is to me.

[16:14:42]

Merlin83b:

Although I did tell it 192...

[16:14:43]

Merlin83b:

Hmm

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cdpuk:

daviey, Well, the video store in the ~mythtv/videostore, doing chmod +rx ~mythtv allows the FE to work when run as my uid

[16:15:58]

cdpuk:

Ug, bad grammar today...

[16:16:32]

cdpuk:

But anyway, I'll have a play around – thanks for the hint in the right direction!

[16:18:09]

gbee:

Merlin83b: you don't have any firewall blocking that port on the backend? Or frontend for that matter?

[16:18:58]

Merlin83b:

I do not.

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daviey:

cdpuk, well done

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gbee:

can you see the status page http://backendip:6544/ from the remote box?

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Merlin83b:

I can, gbee

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rbellamy:

i've got my backend and frontend installed and talking to each other, i can watch live tv and record on-the-fly.... but my scheduled recordings are not recorded, even though they've been marked as "recorded"

[16:25:39]

gbee:

hmm, not used to solving this sort or problem so I don't have many ideas

[16:26:06]

Merlin83b:

Yeah, it's got me quite stumped too. 0.0.0.0 on netstat means it's listening on all interfaces, doesn't it?

[16:26:17]

Merlin83b:

Well, I can telnet to the port and don't get connection refused so I guess that's working.

[16:26:30]

gbee:

when you changed the IP of the backend, did you do it for the master server field too?

[16:26:49]

Merlin83b:

I didn't at first, but have since tried that too.

[16:35:29]

gbee:

Merlin83b: did you restart the frontend after changing the master server ip on the backend?

[16:36:38]

Merlin83b:

Yep

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gbee:

can't wait for the auto-discovery code, will hopefully solve most of these sort of problems

[16:37:06]

Merlin83b:

:)

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Dagmar:

gbee: literacy works pretty good in the meantime

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** gbee gets out his dictionary to look up the meaning of the words 'literacy', 'pretty' and 'meantime' **

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Merlin83b:

I count myself as pretty literate, Dagmar :-P

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daviey:

gbee, will that be a specific broadcast ping, then allow selection of BE's?

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dennister:

hello all...having some trouble with frontend just quitting too often, sometimes the backend quits, too, and I can't seem to pinpoint what the problem is

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gbee:

segfault?

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dennister:

yes, i have had some of those, but it's not obvious when it is a segfault

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dennister:

i've already done the mysqlcheck line, that didn't seem to improve things, i reinstalled the ivtv driver, but the 'quitting' seems to continue...no rhyme or reason

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Dagmar:

The words "Segmentation fault" tend to function as a strong hint.

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gardengnome:

SIGSEGV

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dennister:

checked out the link, but the problem with following it is that i can't make use of ./configure...kubuntu's way of doing mythtv makes this command unusable

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dennister:

there...the frontend just quit on me... the mythlog gives me this: mythbackend: Autoexpire Recording: ERROR when trying to autoexpire file: /var/lib/mythtv//1106_20070319103203.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed.

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dennister:

that seems to be a recurring type of message

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dennister:

any ideas? this is a mysql problem, right?

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dennister:

no answer from anyone?

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dennister:

no one knows what to do?

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Merlin83b:

dennister: Not sure it's of help, but I run my fe in a while loop that starts it up again any time it crashes.

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Dagmar:

dennister: Is it the same message over and over, including filename?

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dennister:

Dagmar: yes

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Dagmar:

dennister: Did you try _Googling_ the error message?

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dennister:

yes

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Dagmar:

Well, if you can't be bothered to tell me the truth, then I can't be bothered to give you an answer.

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dennister:

excuse me??? don't jumpt to conclusions, i was searching for more info to give you a more detailed answer

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dennister:

Merlin83b: what kind of loop?

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Dagmar:

I typed in your error message in Google, and I see the solution.

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Dagmar:

You lie.

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Merlin83b:

dennister: A while loop :)

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dennister:

lol

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Merlin83b:

dennister: while true; do mythfrontend --override-setting UseOpenGLPainter=0;sleep 2;done

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dennister:

k, will do...copy thw whole thing into terminal starting from "while"?

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Merlin83b:

Yep, the openglpainter thing you might want to leave off. You may want to run it in screen or on startup or something.

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Merlin83b:

Basically, whenever it stops, it waits 2 seconds and starts fe up again.

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Dagmar:

You can put it in it's own runlevel and let init restart it

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dennister:

k, ty, will try to do that as soon as my current recordings finish...hopefully they will actually finish today, but i doubt it

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Dagmar:

s'what I do with runlevel 5

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Merlin83b:

Dagmar: fe's the only thing in rl5?

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dennister:

unfortunately, the google searches i've done are for different versions than the one i'm using

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Dagmar:

Merlin83b: well, it's the only X client, so if it dies, X is done and exits, and init says "Oh no you don'! Git back tae work ye daft beastie!"

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Merlin83b:

Heh, fair enough :)

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dennister:

i'm using mythtv v .20 with mysql 5, so while this loop might be a temp fix, i don't think it will fix the underlying issue with the autoexpire....any ideas?

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dennister:

something i can do with mysql?

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gbee:

it's not mysql, at least I doubt it is – could be a configuration issue, but without a backtrace there isn't much you can do

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dennister:

and without the ability to use the ./configure command i can't use gdb to do a backtrace :(

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dennister:

ty anyway gbee

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knowledgejunkie:

Any ideas why the frontend EPG/MythWeb program listing will fail to display only certain channel icons, which a) exist, b) have same perms as the others, and c) used to work before the recent SVN move to ~/.mythtv/channels?

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knowledgejunkie:

I have another recording in progress and so don't want to stop the backend to enable DB logging, but as far as I can see, there's no reason for these icons to not be displayed.

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GreyFoxx:

You can restart mysql without restarting the backend. The backend will auto reconnect

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GreyFoxx:

I do it all the time

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GreyFoxx:

It's not "recommended" but it should work

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GreyFoxx:

just edit the config file for mysql before restarting it to minimize mysql's downtime

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gbee:

might result in a bad seek table

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gbee:

unless it buffers the queries, which is entirely possible

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GreyFoxx:

only a couple missing entries which overall wont have much effect

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gbee:

knowledgejunkie: just the EPG and not the OSD?

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GreyFoxx:

and even those only hit the DB once every couple seconds

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gbee:

oh and the channel icon path in the channel table does match their location on the disk? (obvious maybe, but maybe not)

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GreyFoxx:

I should try that new icon stuff, see if it has entries for all my channels

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: it 'learns' so if it doesn't the first time you run it, it will the second time ;)

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GreyFoxx:

cool :)

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gbee:

well that's the theory, new additions have to be signed off by an admin and there aren't many of those about atm so there may be a lag time

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knowledgejunkie:

gbee: haven't tried the OSD yet (not a LiveTV user) but will try that too now

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gbee:

knowledgejunkie: reason I ask is that the OSD accesses the channel icons in a different way (which I intend to fix) but just possibly it will shed some light on the problem

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sigger:

gbee, had a thought while working on making mpd available. What do you think of having mythmusic accept commands via telnet (instead of mythmusic being an mpd)? the telnet commands could be identical to those for mpd, so mpd clients could pretend MM is mpd and control it that way.

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gbee:

if I suddenly disappear, it's because my laptop can't handle valgrinding mythfrontend

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knowledgejunkie:

gbee: OSD fails to display icons for the same channels

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knowledgejunkie:

gbee: all other channels display fine in OSD, EPG and MythWeb

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sigger:

or because you're tired of me buggin you with thoughts re mpd :-p

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gbee:

sigger: I don't have a problem with that – I don't use mpd so I don't care how it's done so long as it doesn't mess up the mythmusic code too much ;)

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sigger:

you think the existing code could handle a separate thread (the telnet receiver) occaisionally emitting signals? Not a multi-threading whiz and I suspect there might need to be locking/semaphores done.

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gbee:

if the network control (telnet) stuff were extended to cover mythmusic that would probably please two different crowds – but I think it would have to use the same telnet structure currently used in mythfrontend – adding a second, unrelated telnet interface wouldn't be ideal

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sigger:

gbee, found the docs on it. It couldn't use the same commands as mpd's commands are too music-centric whereas mythfrontend has many components to deal with.

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sigger:

gbee, Even forgetting the commands, not sure how to then compile mythtv/networkcontrol.cpp which would refer to mythmusic which might not be available (since not everyone uses the plugin).

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gbee:

sigger: for anything relating to the telnet stuff you'd be best talking to Captain_Murdoch, he wrote it and may have some ideas

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sigger:

k, thanks

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[SA]Pooky:

I'm am totally stumped. My mythtv box won't play or record live tv.

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[SA]Pooky:

The card works, I can run mplayer /dev/video0 just fine

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[SA]Pooky:

The permissions are right on the device

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[SA]Pooky:

the setings are right in mythtv

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gbee:

what errors, if any are you getting? What have you tried? Did you follow the docs etc?

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[SA]Pooky:

I reran mythtv-setup and removed the card then installed it again

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[SA]Pooky:

I installed it all and it worked, but I removed the cable from it for a while and when I plugged it back in it refuesed to work.

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gbee:

hmm, have you changed/upgraded anything on the system – say the kernel/drivers?

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[SA]Pooky:

Nope, nothing

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gbee:

no errors from mythtv?

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[SA]Pooky:

not that I see

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[SA]Pooky:

let me tail the log

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amishgeek:

whats the difference between the hauppauge Wintv-PVR-150, and the 150MCE?

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[SA]Pooky:

http://pastebin.ca/405404

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[SA]Pooky:

The MCE has a nicer remote and FM radio

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amishgeek:

but both are fully supported by myth?

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amishgeek:

so i can just get whichever one is cheaper

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amishgeek:

since the remotes wont be used, nor the FM tuner right?

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[SA]Pooky:

I have the MCE and it works, mine's just broken right now :P

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[SA]Pooky:

The remotes will work, and the FM should

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juski:

amishgeek: pity you didn't read the channel FAQ

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[SA]Pooky:

Mine doesn't have FM, that's new with the latest model.

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juski:

myth can't use FM tuners anyway, so no loss there

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hardnova:

i seem to be having crashes when i change channel ?

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gbee:

remote can be used, no the FM tuner isn't supported (by mythtv)

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juski:

hardnova: if the channel you're trying to change to doesn't exist, the backend will probably stop running

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amishgeek:

well, in the wiki, there isn't a definition I saw differentiating the 150 from the 150MCE

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juski:

amishgeek: in the channel FAQ there's all the info you should need

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hardnova:

the channels do exsist

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gardengnome:

hey juski

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hardnova:

it only happens sometimes and not all the time but only when I change channel

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juski:

hey gardengnome

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juski:

hardnova: run the backend with logging enabled – that should at least give some clues as to what's going on (or not going on)

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hardnova:

i just installed a new harddisk and imaged the previous drive over to this one which is unlikley to be an issue

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juski:

hardnova: run the backend with logging enabled – that should at least give some clues as to what's going on (or not going on)

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hardnova:

i thought that the old disk was slow and thus causeing this but seems thats not the case

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rbellamy:

i've got my backend and frontend installed and talking to each other, i can watch live tv and record on-the-fly.... but my scheduled recordings are not recorded, even though they've been marked as "recorded"

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Merlin83b:

juski! Ever had the cannot connect to master backend problem in minimyth?

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gardengnome:

rotfl

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gardengnome:

juski: hey, so, how di set up the mysql pass in ubuntu? ;)

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juski:

Merlin83b: only when I've not added the database details to minimyth.conf

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gardengnome:

juski: i talked to superm1 about that issue. he's gonna, uh, fix it in feisty

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rbellamy:

nm

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rbellamy:

just found it...

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Merlin83b:

Database is working fine – guide data appears. It jsut can't connect to the be :(

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rbellamy:

LiveTV recording...

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juski:

gardengnome: that one has been on the to-do list since last october :)

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juski:

rbellamy: all tv is recorded in mythtv, yes even live tv!

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rbellamy:

so.... how do i watch the currently recorded program if it's not in my "recorded" list yet because it's currently being recorded via a schedule?

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hardnova:

seems to be having a massive frame dropping issue but pictures are tuned in perfectly when they are working

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gardengnome:

juski: looks like it's not that easy to get new packages pushed into ubuntu edgy

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Merlin83b:

rbellamy: It would be in your recorded list in that case.

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Merlin83b:

Red, in the theme I use, but it's not important.

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rbellamy:

juski: the problem is that it should have turned LiveTV off, and started the recording... instead, LiveTV trumped the scheduled recording

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juski:

rbellamy: the question you should be asking us is how do you change the DEFAULT GROUP and DEFAULT GROUP FILTER in the 'watch recordings' screen ;)

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rbellamy:

Merlin83b: what would cause it to NOT be in my list, a problem connecting to the database?

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t0ny-p40:

I'm trying to dump the mythttv database why am I getting this error.

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t0ny-p40:

mysqldump: Got error: 29: File './mythconverg/diseqc_config.MYD' not found (Errcode: 13) when using LOCK TABLES

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rbellamy:

juski: excellent

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Merlin83b:

See what juski just said :)

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rbellamy:

Merlin83b: ! :)

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rbellamy:

so.... :)

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juski:

reminds me I was gonna suggest that the default filter is changed to stop that – it's fcuking annoying

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rbellamy:

rather than how... i can figure that out... i'll go read up on "what" they are...

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** rbellamy is a complete noob wrt mythtv **

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Merlin83b:

We all started somewhere, rbellamy :)

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juski:

rbellamy: we all were at one time or other

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rbellamy:

heh

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juski:

where you end up is up to you

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rbellamy:

i'm having a great time of it, actually... even with the issues

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juski:

me – I just can't keep myself away from this shower of noobs

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rbellamy:

it's one of the reasons i'm doing this, to have more control

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rbellamy:

more control = more headaches to figure out HOW to be in more control

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rbellamy:

:)

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juski:

yeah but only til you know what you're doing ;)

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rbellamy:

juski: shower of noobs?

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[SA]Pooky:

I keep getting this error: "NVR: Won't work with the streaming interface"

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rbellamy:

juski: that is NOT a pleasant image.

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[SA]Pooky:

when I'm trying to watch live tv

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** juski laughs **

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** rbellamy brb... switching to mythtv user and looking at the DEFAULT GROUP **

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rbellamy:

;)

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juski:

time to eat :)

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hardnova:

how do i run the backend with loging ?

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amishgeek:

ok, in a distributed setup, such as cable => [recoding box] -> [Main MythBox/ Storage] -> [frontend box] – > Television, can you watch liveTV?

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amishgeek:

or only recorded tv?

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amishgeek:

and/or schedule recordings from the frontend?

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hardnova:

i found a log file specified in the /etc/init.d/mythbackend " --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend " but its not saying much

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hardnova:

can i increase the log level ?

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hardnova:

watching the log its taking forever to actualy get livetv

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hardnova:

now livetv isnt working at all ??

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hardnova:

dmesg is more interesting " ivtv0: All encoder MPEG stream buffers are full. Dropping data. ivtv0: Cause: the application is not reading fast enough."

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rbellamy:

ok... now that i know WHAT a DEFAULT GROUP is...

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rbellamy:

and the DEFAULT GROUP FILTER

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hardnova:

what the heck is going on ????

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rbellamy:

any suggestions for a readme on how other people have set their's up?

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hardnova:

mythtv 19 was 100 times better didnt have any of these problems

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kslater:

hardnova – I think mythtv .19 is still out there if you want to go back.

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Merlin83b:

hardnova: What version are you trying? If it's 0.20 release, give SVN a go before rolling back.

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amishgeek:

is anyone here using XBMC-MythTV frontend? and can you watch Live TV with it, or only pre-recorded items?

[19:13:26]

smro1:

hardnova: i had this with 0.19 and 0.20. i tried increasing the PCI bus latency to give the HD more priority, and it may have worked.

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juski:

amishgeek: it's reported to work with live tv in recent versions

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juski:

but the xbox is both noisy & FUGLY so I no longer use it for mythtv duties ;)

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smro1:

i haven't had a chance to test it throughly yet to make sure. but it was a suggestion on a wiki post somewhere

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hardnova:

smro1 yea im just checking this harddisk as its new maybe a software switch on that needs attention

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kslater:

rbellamy – I use 2 groups – default for pretty much everything and 'parents' for those few shows that we don't want the kids watching before we have a chance to check them out.

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juski:

hardnova: like er.. hdparm -d 1 /dev/yourhdd

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smro1:

hardnova: also check hdparm and make sure DMA is on. The first time i had this problem my DMA was turned off

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kslater:

the 'parents' group view has a password on it

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smro1:

hardnova: right

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juski:

somebody added password protection to group views? yay!

[19:15:42]

kslater:

juski – been there a while hasn't it?

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juski:

kslater: not AFAIK

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amishgeek:

juski: hmm, thats good to know. I'd like to keep the majority of my Myth setup in the basement, and use just the Xbox with the Television, rather than having to purchase a special PC to use as a frontend

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gbee:

juski: been there for ages, probably back to 0.18 or possibly 0.19

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hardnova:

smro1 ok well i found the swap has not come back up again thats one thing , have fixed that now remade the swap partition

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juski:

gbee: ok, so where do I set a password for a playback group in 0.20-fixes then ? ;)

[19:18:16]

gbee:

you would ask just as I restart valgrind – it's not easy to find and I'll need to go looking to remind myself

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GreyFoxx:

Cool. I just had the guy at the store check the lotto ticket that has been in my wallet for a few weeks.. I won $1000 :)

[19:18:33]

gbee:

oh and it's not the playback group, it's the recording group

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: you bastard!

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GreyFoxx:

heheh

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juski:

it's in recording groups? ffs!

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GreyFoxx:

now...... do I be responsible, or go buy the $999.99 projector I saw the other day :)

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gbee:

err, I mean congrats!

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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juski:

ack – no rcording groups in the version I've got

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juski:

anyway time to food shop :(

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GreyFoxx:

arrrggghhhh 1 was 1 nunmber off from $100,000

[19:22:43]

GreyFoxx:

the full win was 358130 and I had 258130

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hardnova:

smro1 dma is fine but I am thinking its in sata 1 mode rather than sata 2 , hitachi drives come in default sata1 you have to use the feature tool to switch to sata2

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gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: don't be greedy now! enjoy it. :)

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gbee:

damn, should have redirected the valgrind output to a log, the useful portion disappeared off the scroll back of the terminal .... that was a waste of the last 10 minutes :(

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marbahlarbs:

what do I need as far as video card(s) to set up a system so I can record and watch live tv/recorded shows at the same time?

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hardnova:

is there anyway to change the default OSD ?

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hardnova:

or is that set part of .20

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gbee:

hardnova: "tv playback" settings

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hardnova:

gbee what bit of

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hardnova:

gbee what bit of "tv playback"

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ShiftyPowers:

dude, that appleTV has a great looking menu

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gbee:

the OSD section? :)

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ShiftyPowers:

that in mythtv would be awesome

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gbee:

ShiftyPowers: not seen it, but don't apple have a habit of taking people to court for imitating their design/style?

[19:37:10]

ShiftyPowers:

gbee, true that

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ShiftyPowers:

the animations seem cool and such

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ShiftyPowers:

and i wouldn't have the first clue how to develop it so i add 0 value really

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GreyFoxx:

Shiuft: Know of any screenshots or a video of the interface anywhere ?

[19:38:20]

ShiftyPowers:

yeah hold on

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hardnova:

gbee arrr thanks :)

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ShiftyPowers:

http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/21/mossberg-r . . . and-elegant/

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GreyFoxx:

Argh "The Video you are trying to watch is currently unavailable" hehe

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GreyFoxx:

I'll try it later :)

[19:39:35]

ShiftyPowers:

really?

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ShiftyPowers:

i just watched it

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ShiftyPowers:

weird

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GreyFoxx:

probably passed someones BW quota :)

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fuseX_:

hi

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fuseX:

I am trying to build in festival support into myth

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fuseX:

but it wont seem to enablel in the configure script

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fuseX:

i do have festival and festival-devel installed

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fuseX:

is there something more that is needed.

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gbee:

juski: Recording list menu (m while in watch recordings) > Change Group Password

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marbahlarbs:

what do I need as far as video card(s) to set up a system so I can record and watch live tv/recorded shows at the same time?

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gbee:

two cards which work under linux, or a dual tuner

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rbellamy_:

is there a consensus about the best ir blaster?

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gbee:

it's a vague answer, but then so was the question

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GreyFoxx:

ShiftyPowers: I like some of those transitions . Especially for videos/movie posters

[19:50:32]

ShiftyPowers:

yeah

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ShiftyPowers:

GreyFoxx, looks goo no?

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ShiftyPowers:

good

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gbee:

rofl, just seen the screenshot of the apple tv stuff – now I understand where a certain theme developer got his inspiration

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ShiftyPowers:

seems very professional

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ShiftyPowers:

yeah the new neon theme :)

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ShiftyPowers:

GreyFoxx, but mythtv doesn't have animation built into the themes right?

[19:53:47]

GreyFoxx:

ShiftyPowers: There is "fake" animation wheree myth wil lrotate between images

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ShiftyPowers:

yeah, i use that theme a lot MePo right?

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GreyFoxx:

the Mepo-Wide theme uses it to animate a character on the screen

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gbee:

fake animation and blending transitions – although I'm not quite sure what the difference between real animation and fake animation would be :p

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GreyFoxx:

I suppsoe that's true. Animated gifs and such are just all of the images loaded into a single file instead of as seperate images

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gbee:

reckon with a lot of time and patience you could do some nifty stuff, it'll help when the mythui rewrite is completed (still a way to go and it's not actively being developed atm)

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GreyFoxx:

Yeah, it woudl be nice to get that in there

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ShiftyPowers:

so what are the big pushes in the development of myth right now?

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ShiftyPowers:

what are the big features being worked on?

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GreyFoxx:

cdev is doing a lot of upnp work, especially on the frontend/backend autodiscovery, CM is working on the storage groups , gbee is working on mythmusic improvements

[20:00:40]

GreyFoxx:

xris is working on channel icon stuff among other things

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GreyFoxx:

not sure other than that without going to look at the recent commitsd

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ShiftyPowers:

gotcha that's helpful to know

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gbee:

that's at this moment – a lot has gone in between 0.20 and now

[20:01:41]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

I am always running svn so it gets fuzzy trying to remember what is and isn't from the last release :)

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ShiftyPowers:

yeah i sort of run the latest svn all the time, i like rebuilding it to the latest, i've seen very nice changes to mythweb as well

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: ditto

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gbee:

whether it happens or not before 0.21, there is also talk of making the switch to an embedded database

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ShiftyPowers:

so no longer using mysql?

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rbellamy_:

gbee: for the performance?

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gbee:

to be fair that particular feature has been discussed on and off for months – no actual code has been written as yet

[20:05:32]

gbee:

using mysql, but embedded so no need to install it seperately – no performance gain, it just makes setup much easier

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rbellamy_:

heh... i just realized something... is there such a thing as an ORM _without_ some kind of runtime environment?

[20:06:04]

rbellamy_:

was just going to ask if you guys use an orm...

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gbee:

also means we don't have to worry about maintaining support for both old and new versions of mysql – that sort of thing

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rbellamy_:

and then remembered it's all c++

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rbellamy_:

and c

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rbellamy_:

those things you mentioned is why i was gonna ask the orm question...

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rbellamy_:

it makes your dal much more db agnostic

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GreyFoxx:

The code is very mysql specific in several areas

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GreyFoxx:

some of the more common stuff, like reading /setting stuff in the settings table are generic, but much of the code elsewhere is mysql only

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** GreyFoxx looks at the time and runs to pick up his little one from Daycare **

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amishgeek:

how fast of a box do I need, cpu/ram, for a 2 tuner recording setup? I need 2 tuners to watch and record at the same time right? i read that a 1ghz w/256 ram is plenty to record and play (backend/frontend)

[20:18:05]

ShiftyPowers:

what is this LinuxMCE stuff i just saw on the internet?

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amishgeek:

www.linuxmce.com

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jams:

just from looking at the frontpage it looks like plutohome rebranded

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ShiftyPowers:

yeah just heard about it

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ShiftyPowers:

hmm, integrating some of the linuxmce features into myth would be interestng

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gbee:

oh, it uses mythtv – that's good I suppose, I frankly expected another PVR startup

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amishgeek:

linuxmce appears to be home automation

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amishgeek:

security system

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amishgeek:

remote access

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amishgeek:

control your locsk

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amishgeek:

*locks

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amishgeek:

phone PBX system

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amishgeek:

using mythTV as a media/streaming component

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ShiftyPowers:

yeah that's true

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ShiftyPowers:

the media library component would be a neat change to mythvideo

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ShiftyPowers:

the rest is overkill

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ShiftyPowers:

all the automation stuff

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amishgeek:

press a button on your mobile phone and as you walk around the house, the TV in the room will auto turn on and start playing your favorite channel

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amishgeek:

sounds like one hell of a system to configure

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gbee:

wonder what version of mythtv they are using and what they are using xine for

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amishgeek:

probably uses X10 home automation for power control to turn on appliances/lights etc

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TheAsp:

Is it possible to change channels over firewire when using a motorola DCT6200 (which I assume) and if so, is it common practice for the fw port to be disabled in some way from a cable company?

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juski:

TheAsp: fairly common for ports to be disabled but that's illegal

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juski:

oh ffs not the linuxmce thing again, or PlutoHome as it's actually called

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TheAsp:

well, i'm canadian so i'm not protected by that law

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TheAsp:

is there a website listing which ones don't suck? :)

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juski:

TheAsp: I think it's more likely down to your cable provider to tell the truth

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TheAsp:

36.

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TheAsp:

stupid cat...

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juski:

gbee: yeah I took one look at the fruity tv thing & thought "aha!" ;)

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juski:

gbee: if only we could have the tilted 3D tiles of video, photo & music covers... :D

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TheAsp:

it sucks that so many pages have mythtv and firewire in them but no real details... :)

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juski:

speaking of neon-wide btw, I need to add another image, or at least a symlink.. the video manager complains of a missing image

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juski:

damn undocumented trans-foo.png elements :(

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juski:

I hope I'm not the only one who can forsee myth having a fully integrated 'media' player eventually so we'll not need mythmusic, mythvideo & the internal player as separate entities – but I know that's a SHED load of work & WAY off ;)

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TheAsp:

Ok, just talked to my cable company... They said that all of theirs are disabled. They also said that if I get my own that isn't disabled, it should work.

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TheAsp:

Odd.

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juski:

for the moment I'm living in the hope of getting a free day or so to look at that mythmusic button stuff

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TheAsp:

This sucks, I don't want to spend a ton of cash on a box that may or may not work for me :P

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juski:

TheAsp: so there's hope then

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gbee:

right now I'm trying to track down a memory growth in the mythmusic/filescanner code – only problem is that I'm not sure it exists and the valgrind output isn't much help

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TheAsp:

Yeah, but slight. I've been waiting till HDTV isn't such a PITA but am getting impatient

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juski:

gbee: sounds tricky. maybe it's one of them things you need a zillion tracks to notice

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amishgeek:

how well does myth perform using a NFS mount for storage?

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juski:

amishgeek: can't say I have any complains over a wired 100mbit network

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juski:

*complaints, even

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amishgeek:

cool

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amishgeek:

can myth store to multiple storage drives/mounts?

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amishgeek:

ie, i have a 180gb NAS, and my myth box will also have a 100gb drive in it

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jams:

amishgeek- .20 can not, but svn can

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amishgeek:

will it be able to store to both places, or is it a one or the other type thing?

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amishgeek:

ok

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juski:

amishgeek: it can store recordings to different directories but currently mythmusic, mythvideo & mythgallery all expect to find stuff in one dir – but you could of course use symbolically linked dirs

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amishgeek:

what kind of overhead does myth need if it's not doing any recording or playing, just shuffling around data?

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amishgeek:

meh, 100gb of usable space

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juski:

amishgeek: er.. just sitting there doing *nothing* ? very little cpu if any unless it's running mythfilldatabase or housekeeping

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amishgeek:

ie, could i use an old netfinity P2 400mhz as the myth "server" with a 1ghz box as the recording box?

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jams:

juski- 2.5 inch drives come in the 100GB flavor

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juski:

amishgeek: the mysql stuff might be a little slow on a 400mhz p2 – and transcoding would *suck* ;)

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amishgeek:

transcoding?

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juski:

turning one video format into another

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juski:

e.g. mpeg2 to nuv

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amishgeek:

wouldnt that be done on the recording box?

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juski:

you can specify where it happens

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juski:

... to a point...

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amishgeek:

just trying to put all my hardware to use :)

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TheAsp:

Well, just ordered a box

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mcquaid:

currently, i have one directory indicated for the 'watch videos' section

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mcquaid:

i'd like to add a directory thats over my lan. I have it already working with samba

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mcquaid:

does myth support smb? Or can I specify the directory if I mount it first?

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mcquaid:

not seeing any mention of samba with seting up your /mnt/video dir.

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mcquaid:

or indicating multiple video dirs. I guess mount it and sym link it

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GreyFoxx:

mcquaid: You must mount it yourself

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mcquaid:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

You can have multiple dirs by either symlinking or put them into the settings seperated by ":"

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mcquaid:

ok thx

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mcquaid:

is native smb support ever planned?

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GreyFoxx:

not that I know of no

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mcquaid:

no biggie obviously with being able to mount it, but just curious

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GreyFoxx:

Why re-invent the wheel?

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Gurft:

anyoneever have pixelated video issues with Nvidia cards

[21:20:50]

Gurft:

I put my MX440 in to replace my busted FX5200 and now all my video looks like crapola.

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mcquaid:

true

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onewheelskyward:

ugh...my flippin cable company keeps bulleting my (legal) box, and removing my pre-set channel changes. Bastards.

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mcquaid:

i used a gui util to set up a samba share in fstab on one box. I want to set it up on my myth box but I don't have this util installed

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mcquaid:

just looking at the beginning

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mcquaid:

134134192.168.11.3134windows_f /media/

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mcquaid:

what does the 134 stand for?

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onewheelskyward:

a backslash character.

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mcquaid:

ah

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mcquaid:

thank you

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onewheelskyward:

np

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onewheelskyward:

If you're mounting samba shares from bash, you may need to double up on them, as they need to be escaped.

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mcquaid:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

What needs to be escaped?

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GreyFoxx:

oh, you are using \

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mcquaid:

ya

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GreyFoxx:

you can use // no escaping

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jams:

\servernameshare needs to be \\severname\share

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GreyFoxx:

//host/share works

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jams:

right

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mcquaid:

cool

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Dibblah:

onewheelskyward: Why not just leave the channels at default on your cable box?

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Dibblah:

Or... Script the changing :)

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onewheelskyward:

Because _someone_ doesn't have their IR Blaster working yet. :)

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juski:

onewheelskyward: one of my grand plans is to implement a UK cable/sat channel setup/update wizard script thingy

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mark488:

Q: how do i get myth's menus to show via the pvr350's s-video out?

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juski:

I did the groundwork for it last year but the scripts are all on a hdd I have stashed somewhere

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onewheelskyward:

Woo, that would be nice.

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juski:

onewheelskyward: I even thought about making it php-enabled, plop it on a webserver somewhere then you'd be able to forget about needing to keep an up to date channel list file for the script to work from ;)

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juski:

well *users* of it would be able to forget about that part anyway

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onewheelskyward:

Fancy.

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onewheelskyward:

I'm all for set-and-forget.

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Dibblah:

juski: Well, that's fixed for Sky now, at least :)

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juski:

think of it like zap2it (kind of) but for UK peeps

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juski:

Dibblah: how so?

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Dibblah:

... Now that you can query the box for the channel numbers / names...

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onewheelskyward:

You guys don't have downloadable channel listings?

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juski:

Dibblah: yeah but that's a bit messy

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Dibblah:

It's a lot messy :)

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juski:

onewheelskyward: yeah but the listings provider doesn't tell us channel numbers

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Dibblah:

onewheelskyward: Yes, we do. But with 160 (last count) odd active channels...

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onewheelskyward:

Aah so it's text comparison against...hmm..I see your point. :)

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juski:

the basic idea is that the script will ask you which provider & package you have, then it'll do the rest

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Dibblah:

Fuzzy text comparison. Very fuzzy in some cases.

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juski:

the primary limitation of it will be that it'll only be effective for channels which have listings data – which isn't all $ky channels by any means

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juski:

the radiotimes xmltv grabber source only has about 160 channels yet $ky have over 300 channels IIRC

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juski:

the ones worth watching (heh) are all on xmltv though

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Dibblah:

Yes, but the rest are somewhat on the level of Gaydar radio.

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juski:

anyway.. time to say nighty night

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juski:

g'night all

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Dibblah:

And I wish I wasn't quoting a real channel name :)

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onewheelskyward:

night

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mark488:

anyone....? how do i get myth's menus to show via the pvr350's s-video out?

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mcquaid:

i was asking earlier about setting up some samba mount points so myth can have access to them for videos

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mcquaid:

I was curious though, when a client connect that has those files that are mounted via samba, wouldn't it play the videos over the network needlessly?

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mcquaid:

meaning, when a client connects and plays a file that is actually on that computer via mythfrontend, wouldn't myth be accessing the file via the smbmount and then sending over the network again

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onewheelskyward:

Yeah, essentially you're corect.

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onewheelskyward:

correct.

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onewheelskyward:

unlike my spelling.

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GreyFoxx:

ummm.... why would you smbmount yourself ? Or am I missing something ?

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mcquaid:

hmm, at first i went to specify the video dir in one of the clients, then realized it's a backend setup option.

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onewheelskyward:

I think mcquaid's backend has the video folder smbmounted.

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GreyFoxx:

mcquaid: no

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GreyFoxx:

the video dir, in mythvideo is a frontend option

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GreyFoxx:

the recordings dir in mythtv-setup is a backend option

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GreyFoxx:

mythfrontend does not stream "videos" from mythbackend

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mcquaid:

ah yes thats rgiht

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mcquaid:

the video option isn't even available on the front end i'm talking about

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mcquaid:

but i couldn't find it and thought it's a backend issue

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mcquaid:

where is the video directory specified again?

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onewheelskyward:

Aah you're talking about mythvideo, my mistake.

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GreyFoxx:

in the frontends settings. video settings

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GreyFoxx:

assuming you have mythvideo insalled on that frontend

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mcquaid:

doh

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mcquaid:

i'm off course today

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mcquaid:

didn't have mythvideo yet on this client

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ryanr23:

Can anyone help? I'm getting juddering DVD's when burning content through MythArchive...

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rbellamy:

kslater: thanks for the tip

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rbellamy:

and....

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rbellamy:

do you still call it "Default"?

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Andr3www:

Hi

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Andr3www:

I have a quick question

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Andr3www:

I did a fresh install and when I scanned my OTA channels, the channels that should have came in came back with 'no tables' error msgs.. what's up ?

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jduggan:

hrm, so 2ghz not enough to play h264?

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jduggan:

:o

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Andr3www:

?

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knowledgejunkie:

Anyone have any ideas why the master frontend EPG/MythWeb program listing fails to display only certain channel icons, which a) exist, b) have same perms as the others, and c) used to work before the recent SVN move to ~/.mythtv/channels?

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knowledgejunkie:

My slave machine completely now fails to display *any* icons – same location, same perms, etc, etc

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