Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, March 18th, 2007, 00:06 UTC

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stevenm:

Hello. Trying to set up mythweb. Followed the cryptic instructions, but it causes apache (or someone else in that chain) to sefgault when I access the page. Ideas?

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hads:

Criggie: Ping

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tjcarter:

Does anyone here use Ubuntu Feisty at the moment?

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tjcarter:

I'm wondering if upgrading to it might be a good thing for my PVR-500

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tjcarter:

Trying to make my second tuner better.

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jshadias:

the kernel in feisty has the redesigned ivtv, so it might work better if you're using 2.6.17

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jshadias:

but feisty is still in alpha

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tjcarter:

I'm aware.

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tjcarter:

I'm not REAL excited about that either.

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jshadias:

i'm using feisty now... and my mouse doesn't work at all

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tjcarter:

doh.

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tjcarter:

I'm currently using 0.7.4

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tjcarter:

(ivtv I mean)

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hads:

Feisty has been stable for me on my desktop for ages, although there is something weird going on on my laptop at the moment.

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tjcarter:

I have an external amplifier, but I need to have it on full

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tjcarter:

and then my first tuner is okay, my second is .. not really.

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tjcarter:

LNA might fix it with reduced gain on the external amp.

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ByteChanger:

.

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tjcarter:

I know the sites suggest that too much gain is problematic on these cards, but honestly I've tried adjusting the signal. It's too low with max gain.

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** tjcarter wonders if tuner 2 needs LNA and tuner 1 doesn't =p **

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ByteChanger:

Is Ubunto 5.1 ok to use for mythtv?

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tjcarter:

ByteChanger: yesbut.

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tjcarter:

ByteChanger: Also, keep in mind how Ubuntu versions work, 5.11 is November 2005.

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tjcarter:

ByteChanger: 5.1 would be January, and I'd say no. =)

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clever[rev]:

i never noticed that:P

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clever[rev]:

i have 6.06

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tjcarter:

The but: Ubuntu's own MythTV packages in 5.11 are 0.18 and broken. Don't use them.

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clever[rev]:

the 6.06 also has 0.18

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tjcarter:

You're really gonna want a newer kernel and ivtv drivers.

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clever[rev]:

which bearly worked for me

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tjcarter:

clever[rev]: same issue.

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clever[rev]:

6.06 gets me kernel 2.6.15-28–386 and thats enough for bt848 to work

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tjcarter:

frame grabber eh?

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clever[rev]:

yeah:(

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tjcarter:

Edgy Eft has 0.20

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clever[rev]:

last time i upgraded a ubuntu version

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clever[rev]:

it was a mess

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tjcarter:

Feisty Fox has ivtv 0.10 AFAIK

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clever[rev]:

that system still hasnt fully recorded but mostly runs still

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clever[rev]:

updated the sources.list

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clever[rev]:

apt-get dist-upgrade

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clever[rev]:

total space on drive c: which is of type( fixed ) is 74.53GB and free is 957.46MB

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Criggie:

clever[rev]: you need more disk

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Criggie:

:)

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clever[rev]:

Criggie: i just added a 40gig to another pc

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clever[rev]:

im looking for free space everywhere else to empty a whole drive

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clever[rev]:

which i can then move to linux and repeat

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clever[rev]:

17gig free on 1 drive

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clever[rev]:

along with 29gig unpartitioned

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monkeyBox:

Can mplayer do "upscaling" for display on HDTVs?

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clever[rev]:

that would be a good question for #mplayer

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clever[rev]:

:)

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hads:

tjcarter: Fiesty (Fawn) has ivtv 0.8.1

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v jams

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JimProfit:

Is it necessary to have the grabber configures to tune tv channels? Or can I leave it as "no grabber" and it should still sucessfully find tv channel listings?

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JimProfit:

I have downloaded this: http://www.argenteam.net/soft/tv_grab_ar and gave it premission: chmod +x tv_grab_ar but I cannot see it when I from KnoppMythTV!! anyone know why?

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JimProfit:

Guys?

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JimProfit:

anyone help out please?

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tjcarter:

hads: I can never keep up with the Ubuntu animals ;)

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JimProfit:

hi tjcarter...

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JimProfit:

how u doing?

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tjcarter:

hi, fine thanks, do I know you from somewhere =)

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JimProfit:

no.. not really..

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JimProfit:

Just thouhgt I'd say hoi

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tjcarter:

if you have a thing like zap2it that can download channels, you don't need the tuner plugged into anything when setting them up

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tjcarter:

After you do.

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JimProfit:

:-) I am in Argentina, you guys have everything sooooo easy up there ;-)

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JimProfit:

I have to do things the hard way :-(

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tjcarter:

If you have a listings service, it's not so bad.

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tjcarter:

Ours is just preconfigured for us.

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tjcarter:

When it works.

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JimProfit:

Thing is, even if I don't have a grabber configured, I should still be able to scan and find tv channels, right?

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tjcarter:

how do you propose to scan for channels without configuring the hardware?

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JimProfit:

ok.. I have the hardware configure previously,

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JimProfit:

BT848 and I can done though configs 1–5

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JimProfit:

check and double chacked. It should (and does try to scan) but can't find any tv stations

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JimProfit:

what can I be ding wrong!!?

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JimProfit:

ok guess noone knows what the hell I'm doing wrong :-(

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JimProfit:

Anyone know what I could be doing wrong when trying to scan for TV stations and nothing comes up?

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ByteChanger:

cable hooked up?

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JimProfit:

Yes :-) it is

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JimProfit:

and works

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ByteChanger:

getting a signal strength?

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JimProfit:

I tried it to the tv direct and have a good picture

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JimProfit:

have tried to measure signal strengh

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JimProfit:

but if it works ell ok the tv, I thought it woudl be ok for the card

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clever[rev]:

my main problem with the bt848 is the tuner doesnt work right away

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JimProfit:

ahh

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JimProfit:

ok

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clever[rev]:

i need special modprobe arguments to get the tuner working

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JimProfit:

how did you get it to work?

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clever[rev]:

it depends on the card

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clever[rev]:

and i forget which i had half working

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JimProfit:

xtreme98

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clever[rev]:

and i just use compositein and a digital tuner

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clever[rev]:

highway extreme?

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JimProfit:

oh... so it is most probablty a card problem you think?

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JimProfit:

Yes, highway extreme

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clever[rev]:

card not being detected right

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JimProfit:

no remote

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clever[rev]:

and i have the exact same card:P

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JimProfit:

ok... hehehe! I will not go nuts over this.. is the card is the prob. I will buy a new one, a AVER MEDIA should be ok right?

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clever[rev]:

im constantly being told in here to buy a better card:P

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clever[rev]:

it needs a ton of cpu power to work

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JimProfit:

I feel better now that I know the bt848 have a prob. I was going nuts!!

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JimProfit:

I know, but living in argentina, good cards are hard to get

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clever[rev]:

bt848 is a framegrabber

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JimProfit:

ok.. what program can I try, I have knoppmythtv

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clever[rev]:

try using just the composite input with an external tuner you manualy change for testing the inputs

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clever[rev]:

if it works well you can then move to working on the tuner

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JimProfit:

ok

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JimProfit:

didn't think of that :-)

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JimProfit:

tnx!

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clever[rev]:

i used composite with a digital box

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clever[rev]:

since the internal tuner cant get the digital channels

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JimProfit:

how can I see the composite input with knoppmythtv? – sorry for the newbie questions :-/

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clever[rev]:

under mythtv-setup

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JimProfit:

I can change the input!

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JimProfit:

then I just scan? it will be detaected?

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clever[rev]:

#knoppmyth might have more

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clever[rev]:

when using the composite the pc cant tune on its own

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clever[rev]:

and probly cant realy scan

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xenoNfluX:

JimProfit, wild guess... have you tried hitting Y to switch your inputs while in Watch TV?

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JimProfit:

no, I haven't

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JimProfit:

I will give that a try

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clever[rev]:

#knoppmyth may know more

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JimProfit:

ok.. thank you guys! I will give those a try... appreciate the time :-)

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clever[rev]:

JimProfit: this may also be usefull http://www.bttv-gallery.de/

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JimProfit:

great, thank you

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clever[rev]:

but it takes ages to load even on dsl:P

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clever[rev]:

100's of images

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JimProfit:

ok hehe, loading..... please wait.

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clever[rev]:

its listing data dna pictures on nearly all bt based input cards

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clever[rev]:

scroll thru for 5 hours lookng for a pic of your card:P

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JimProfit:

hahah.,.. doing that now!

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JimProfit:

haha- thought I'd be smart and place "wintv" in the search box--- there are hundreds of 'em! haha

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clever[rev]:

lol

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clever[rev]:

my card worked with the cd that came with it in 98

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clever[rev]:

in xp i managed to find a 'working' driver once

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clever[rev]:

turned it into a webcamish device

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clever[rev]:

with no programs to view it:P

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clever[rev]:

under linux the module loaded instantly

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clever[rev]:

while my dad claimed i would never find drivers

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clever[rev]:

just took a few days to find out what program would be able to use it

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JimProfit:

Ha! I didn't the same, actually managed to watch TV on xp, but after a while it just restarted the whole pc – no blue screen, just chucked it! ha!

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clever[rev]:

lol

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clever[rev]:

i got the card from my uncle

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clever[rev]:

years ago

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JimProfit:

it does suck that there are no drivers on win32 for these things, they do still work alright!

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clever[rev]:

it took weeks of searching and odd looking posibly virus filled driver sites to gt it going under xp

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JimProfit:

funny thing is, when I work tv I get static at the top and green 1/4 way down to the end! It is communicating with the bt848 – just not tuning in!

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JimProfit:

"Y" does nothing Hmmm....

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JimProfit:

why does "Y" do nothing?

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JimProfit:

ok guys, I am tried and fed uo! :-S doing to pack it in for the night and do for a steak and a beer ;-) Good night all and thank you to those that tried to help me out!

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Fritz:

hello

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baxter_kylie:

Hi. There's something I'm very confused about. Is the mythtv user 'reserved' in that this user should not be used for running 'mythtv-setup' or 'mythtv-frontend' ?

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GreyFoxx:

no, it's not reserved, and no reason not to run either of those as mythtv

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baxter_kylie:

GreyFoxx: Fantastic. Thanks. :)

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wolfspirit:

I'm having problems getting my satellite hooked up through my happauge pvr-150 for some reason it just trys to pick up antenna signal.. I have my tuner set to catv.. what else should I be doing?

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wolfspirit:

sorry wifi dropped

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tjcarter:

wolfspirit: you probably want to set it to check video in, not tuner.

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tjcarter:

n/m

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Der_Thomas:

Sorry, I really don't have a clue

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Der_Thomas:

could your box have started running some cron job that ate up the CPU?

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tafryn:

The odd thing is that the audio doesn't seem to be skipping at all

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tafryn:

I thought that too, but the only jobs eating up the CPU are mythfrontend, mythbackend, and Xorg

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tafryn:

which has been the same for quite some time

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Der_Thomas:

hmm

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Tanthrix:

"Blue" looks bad on my 1080P set now...:-(

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Der_Thomas:

Anyone know how to remove channel icons? I grabbed them, but they are low res and look terriable...

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dimon:

hi guys, any idea why commercial flagging tv programs recorded in myth would generate errors like:

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dimon:

[mpeg2video @ 0xb73c12a8]end mismatch left=215 10574E

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dimon:

[mpeg2video @ 0xb73c12a8]Warning MVs not available

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dimon:

[mpeg2video @ 0xb73c12a8]ac-tex damaged at 29 29

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dimon:

[mpeg2video @ 0xb73c12a8]Warning MVs not available

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dimon:

[mpeg2video @ 0xb73c12a8]end mismatch left=212 2B8ACF

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dimon:

[mpeg2video @ 0xb73c12a8]Warning MVs not available

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dimon:

[mpeg2video @ 0xb73c12a8]ac-tex damaged at 32 29

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dimon:

over and over again ;/

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dimon:

running mythtv for several months with no problems, this seems to have started hapepning within the last couple days, though i havent updated/touched the machines it runs on

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dimon:

no errors from the tuner itself, its only when mythcommflag is running

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hads:

dimon: You're using a PVRx50 card?

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dimon:

there are artifacts being generated in the recordings from this :(

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dimon:

yes, pvr250's

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hads:

I have had the same issue a bit. I don't know that it's related to commflagging for me, it seems to happen here when the card gets into a strange state and a reboot is required to fix it.

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hads:

Unloading the ivtv module doesn't fix it, and sometimes a reboot doesn't fix it, I need to do a cold boot.

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dimon:

yeah i did a little googling earlier and saw some vague posts about rebooting fixing it, or the problem magically going away... so i did the reboot but it hasnt helped

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dimon:

ahh.. cold boot.. didnt do that

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dimon:

odd because these machines have litterally be running for months with no problems

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dimon:

(and i dont update them just for the sake of updating either, they are running the same module, myth ver, everything)

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Der_Thomas:

maybe it was a heat issue?

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Der_Thomas:

do you monitor their temp?

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hads:

It's possibly related to the firmware only being loaded once and needing a cold boot to fix it.

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hads:

Der_Thomas: It could be, I don't monitor mine but it doesn't appear to happen on hot days or anything, it's a bit random

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dimon:

I dont monitor their temps, but the cards should be adequately cooled. 100mm intake fan on the front of the atx case which flows right over the 2 pvr250's

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dimon:

i know they get warm so thats why i put the big fan in there

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hads:

It's only happened here 3 or 4 times.

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dimon:

so its not really commflag thats the problem, its the actual tuners?

[03:21:14]

tafryn:

Ok, so I appear to have fixed the skipping problem, but I have no idea why what I did fixed it.

[03:21:14]

dimon:

i was thinking it was something with comflag because the errors show up on the masterbackend, the one that does the commflagging, not the slave backend (the machine that holds the tuner cards)

[03:21:16]

hads:

Well, I don't really know I haven't studied the issue. Just guessing.

[03:21:55]

tafryn:

I had recently plugged in a second hard drive, but it wasn't mounted nor did it have anything to do with the machine when it was running mythTV

[03:22:09]

tafryn:

however, unplugging the hard drive fixes the skipping problem

[03:22:13]

tafryn:

wierd

[03:22:20]

hads:

I assume the errors are being output by myth just because it's being fed a bad MPEG file.

[03:22:28]

hads:

I notice the errors in the frontend log

[03:22:47]

dimon:

hads: i also notice the errors in the frontend log, but only when replaying one of the busted recordings

[03:23:09]

dimon:

hads: i dont notice any errors in the backend logs until mythcommflagging starts, and then, its *only* on the masterbackend (which has no tuners on my setup)

[03:23:29]

dimon:

but it does seem entirely possible the mpeg is damaged so thats why commflag is spitting out the errosr

[03:23:48]

hads:

That's what I'd imagine.

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[03:24:14]

dimon:

cold boot eh

[03:24:29]

hads:

It's worth a shot

[03:24:31]

dimon:

that particular machine has been running for over a year id imagine so maybe it does need a power off

[03:25:10]

hads:

It shouldn't need it in general, but that's what I've found fixes this particular issue.

[03:25:36]

dimon:

weird it would just poke its head after being up for so long with no problems

[03:25:49]

dimon:

though i guess it might be a hardware problem.. but dont want to go down that road just yet :)

[03:27:03]

dimon:

hrm, both slave backends are also reporting this in their backend logs:

[03:27:17]

jd99:

I'm having problems mythcommflagging, its killing my backend and spews an error about codecs

[03:27:40]

dimon:

odd though, the masterbackend both are recording to is 1000mbit and i have the correct nfs settings for large files, its also using xfs

[03:27:43]

dimon:

hrrrmm..

[03:28:19]

dimon:

maybe everything needs a poweroff lol..

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clever:

dimon: i get that error sometimes

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hads:

My backend log shows 4–5 of those errors a day or so

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clever:

its because the drive is too slow to handle the bandwidth

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dimon:

yeah

[03:29:20]

monkeyBox:

Has anyone had problems with mythtv's internal DVD player when seeking?

[03:29:54]

monkeyBox:

If I hit ffwd it just continues to go in fast mode and pressing anything else won't do anything. Can't exit either

[03:30:05]

monkeyBox:

have to kill mythfrontend :-p

[03:30:06]

dimon:

which should not be a problem here because its an adaptec 2420 (raid5 sata2) hardware raid controller hooked up to 4x300gig sata2

[03:30:21]

dimon:

with a 2048k stripe

[03:30:22]

clever:

lol

[03:30:54]

dimon:

that with the 1000mbit should be no problem with sdtv from 2 100mbit slave backends

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dimon:

been running fine for nearly a year now. hrmph

[03:31:12]

dimon:

cold boot sounds like my best bet i guess

[03:31:31]

hads:

One cold boot a year isn't that bad ;)

[03:31:55]

dimon:

yeah this setup has been up and running for a loonnggg time

[03:32:06]

hads:

Nothing to lose for trying but uptime

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monkeyBox:

Also the dvd menu graphics seem a bit off

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monkeyBox:

Does anyone here use Mythtv's internal DVD player?

[03:38:19]

GreyFoxx:

I do

[03:39:09]

monkeyBox:

GreyFoxx, I'm noticing some odd behavior when seeking (ffwd-ing)

[03:39:33]

dimon:

wow, greyfoxx, you're still around in here

[03:39:36]

monkeyBox:

Basically, it just keeps fast forwarding and I can't control it from then on. I have to kill mythfrontend

[03:40:00]

GreyFoxx:

monkeyBox: I assume you turned on sticky keys then?

[03:40:08]

GreyFoxx:

I don't "FFWD" as much as Jump forward

[03:40:15]

Tanthrix:

Anyone venture a guess why mplayer suddenly plays all of my videos squished horizontally now that I'm outputting at 1920x1080?

[03:40:25]

GreyFoxx:

dimon: heh

[03:40:36]

hads:

Yeah, jumping works for me, I don't like FF as much

[03:40:53]

monkeyBox:

GreyFox: no, actually, I can only "hear" it fast-forwarding. the video is frozen

[03:40:56]

Tanthrix:

Works fine when I start mplayer on my CRT monitor which is weird.

[03:41:01]

GreyFoxx:

monkyBox: Ahhh

[03:41:03]

monkeyBox:

and I can't exit or do anything else

[03:41:07]

monkeyBox:

I have to kill mythfrontend

[03:41:10]

GreyFoxx:

I've never seen that happen before

[03:41:17]

monkeyBox:

I looked at the mythfrontend output and I'm seeing lots of this:

[03:41:37]

akifdino:

is anyone using a CAM with his mythtv box?

[03:42:06]

monkeyBox:

2007-03–17 21:42:00.825 NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!

[03:42:40]

GreyFoxx:

You can try turning on extra audio buffering, but personally I've never had that happen

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GreyFoxx:

monkeyBox: tried on multiple DVD's ?

[03:44:39]

monkeyBox:

Just one so far..

[03:45:00]

monkeyBox:

I also noticed that the menu graphics are a bit off... (the "selector" images)

[03:45:32]

GreyFoxx:

out of curiousity, what version are you running ?

[03:46:30]

** monkeyBox is checking... **

[03:46:46]

monkeyBox:

mythtv-0.20_p12172 (on gentoo)

[03:47:09]

monkeyBox:

this is wierd... now all of the sudden I have no sound whatsoever :-p

[03:48:15]

monkeyBox:

I think alsa is trippin' out. When I mute my spdif output, I get sound, when I unmute it I get no sound.

[03:48:35]

monkeyBox:

oh scratch that...

[03:48:52]

monkeyBox:

*sigh*

[03:49:14]

monkeyBox:

my spdif output just stopped working out of nowhere

[03:49:58]

monkeyBox:

I usually see the lights light up on my receiver that shows the 6 (or 2) speakers.. but now it's showing none.

[03:50:12]

monkeyBox:

and my spdif output is unmuted in alsa

[03:50:55]

monkeyBox:

ugh.. wtf just happened

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** monkeyBox is stressed out **

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[03:52:03]

grOogle:

Anybody have experience with the nVidia nForce 430?

[03:53:26]

monkeyBox:

this makes no sense. As soon as alsa loads, my stereo detects nothing

[03:53:48]

monkeyBox:

I've shutdown, restarted, and everything. I hate it when this kind of crap comes outta nowhere

[03:54:34]

akifdino:

is noone really using a cam with his mythtv box?

[03:56:57]

grOogle:

akifdino: On my list of things to do.

[03:57:05]

grOogle:

akifdino: What trouble are you having?

[03:58:04]

akifdino:

grOogle: i've a diablo cam which does not work with mythtv unfortunately

[03:58:16]

akifdino:

but it works with a standard receiver

[03:58:18]

grOogle:

akifdino: A, a webcam?

[03:58:26]

grOogle:

s/A/Ah/

[03:58:28]

akifdino:

webcam? no

[03:58:35]

akifdino:

conditional access module?

[03:58:47]

grOogle:

Oh.

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** grOogle took that to be an abbreviation for "camera". **

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** grOogle crawls back into his hole. **

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akifdino:

ahh

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akifdino:

no problem

[04:00:24]

monkeyBox:

Anyone here have hda_intel audio?

[04:02:03]

monkeyBox:

I don't get this! out of nowhere my spdif output just stopped working altogether! it makes no sense. I didn't change anything.

[04:02:37]

grOogle:

monkeyBox: Reboot, or in normal operation?

[04:02:54]

monkeyBox:

I rebooted, didn't help

[04:03:22]

grOogle:

monkeyBox: No, I meant did it happen after a reboot, or in normal operation?

[04:03:47]

monkeyBox:

grOogle, It first happened during normal operation

[04:03:59]

monkeyBox:

while I was playing a dvd using mythtv's internal dvd player

[04:04:08]

monkeyBox:

It was messing up the sound, but I didn't mess w/ sound settings.

[04:04:10]

grOogle:

monkeyBox: Are you sure that the hardware didn't die?

[04:04:28]

monkeyBox:

grOogle, how can I be sure of that? :-P

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grOogle:

monkeyBox: Difficult.

[04:05:10]

monkeyBox:

alsa drivers seem to load fine, alsamixer works. Just nothing coming from the digital output

[04:05:17]

grOogle:

monkeyBox: If you can get the output to work with some other software, then the hardware's probably OK.

[04:05:54]

monkeyBox:

Is there any way I can reset my onboard card back to it's factory settings?

[04:06:10]

grOogle:

monkeyBox: BIOS setup?

[04:06:16]

monkeyBox:

I guess I'd have to reset my whole bios :-p

[04:06:32]

grOogle:

monkeyBox: BTW, if you haven't powered down the machine, it might be worthwhile.

[04:07:05]

grOogle:

monkeyBox: I don't know this hardware, but frequently it's possible for it to get set to a state that the initialization routines don't reset.

[04:07:14]

grOogle:

monkeyBox: But after power on it should be gone.

[04:09:17]

monkeyBox:

I just did a bios sw factory reset.. if that doesn't work I'll try a full power down

[04:09:34]

monkeyBox:

nope

[04:09:34]

grOogle:

monkeyBox: Full power down is less intrusive.

[04:10:37]

monkeyBox:

My stereo has a little indicator of 6 speakers to show how many channels are active. (ie, when it's stereo it shows 2, and when I'm playing AC3 audio it shows 6). Normally it's just always 3 by default.

[04:11:18]

monkeyBox:

When I boot up the computer, it shows 2 speakers, right up until the alsa driver loads and then it shows zero.

[04:11:28]

monkeyBox:

I wish I knew what the hell that means :-p

[04:11:41]

akifdino:

does anyone know when mythmusic cover is shown? does it depend on the mythtv theme?

[04:11:45]

monkeyBox:

s/3 by default/2 by default

[04:12:27]

Tanthrix:

Anyone know if the amount of zoom applied during "4:3 zoom" (used for stretching 16:9 SD shows to avoid black bars) is adjustible?

[04:14:26]

Tanthrix:

Mine zooms about 5 percent too much, partially because I have to use overscan initially to get rid of the flickering bar on the top.

[04:14:46]

Tanthrix:

And partially because some shows seem to overscan their 16:9 a bit so it's not *too* widescreen or something.

[04:17:01]

t0ny2:

Any one use nuvexport?

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clever:

arg

[04:20:50]

clever:

first a computer bluescreens while partitioning itself

[04:20:56]

clever:

then screen crashes

[04:21:39]

monkeyBox:

phew got it

[04:22:01]

monkeyBox:

not sure whether is was doing a hard poweroff or deleting my /etc/alsasound.state file.. but sound is back

[04:22:15]

** monkeyBox wipes the sweat from his brow **

[04:22:38]

clever:

lol

[04:22:47]

clever:

my harddrives upstairs where giving off so much heat

[04:22:55]

clever:

i couldnt hold onto it for 10 seconds to get a screw in it

[04:23:00]

clever:

was burning my fingers

[04:23:19]

monkeyBox:

hmmm

[04:23:24]

monkeyBox:

I think xine was the culprit

[04:23:33]

monkeyBox:

I was trying to get xine to use spdif passthrough

[04:23:35]

clever:

ive properly mounted all 3 drives in the metal frame with screws

[04:23:41]

clever:

so its going to act like a large heatsink

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tjcarter:

damn ATI.. I need glDisable (GL_BUGS);

[04:31:20]

bleech_:

does anyone know how to watch livetv recordings?

[04:31:40]

bleech_:

i mean those temporary livetv recordings that go on the autoexpire list

[04:32:56]

hads:

Go into watch recordings and hit m for menu and change the filter

[04:33:40]

akifdino:

does anyone know when mythmusic cover is shown? does it depend on the mythtv theme?

[04:39:51]

bleech_:

hads: thanks

[04:40:03]

hads:

np

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Paleo:

hi guys

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Paleo:

do you think a P3-MMX 1Ghz is decent enough for mythtv to run smooth ?

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Tanthrix:

Paleo: I have a P3 1Ghz as one of my backends and it works just fine.

[05:18:40]

Tanthrix:

Er, front ends.

[05:18:53]

Paleo:

but it doesnt run the server ?

[05:19:50]

Tanthrix:

No. For a while though my main myth system (front and backend) with a PVR-150 was a 1100 MHz Athlon so assuming you have a PVR card you should be fine.

[05:20:06]

Paleo:

I have that :

[05:20:07]

Paleo:

Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture

[05:21:05]

Tanthrix:

I'm not certain, but I think that is a "dumb" card, meaning it outputs raw video that you then need to encode in software.

[05:21:19]

Tanthrix:

As opposed to a PVR-x50 card that has hardware mpeg2 encoding.

[05:21:34]

Paleo:

ok :(

[05:21:52]

sandeen_:

ya bt878 is just a framegrabber

[05:22:13]

Paleo:

so it'll suck for live tv ?

[05:22:43]

sandeen_:

i think live tv even in myth still gets encoded... not sure

[05:22:52]

sandeen_:

it takes more cpu horsepower to encode those frames

[05:23:00]

sandeen_:

w/ a pvr-150 card 1ghz is probably fine

[05:23:02]

sandeen_:

i'd just get one :)

[05:23:07]

Paleo:

from the wiki:

[05:23:08]

Paleo:

As a result, a processor closer to 1GHz is needed to capture using one of these cards, especially for Live TV viewing since that involves both encoding and decoding at the same time.

[05:23:12]

Paleo:

so Im rather borderline

[05:23:14]

Paleo:

i'll try it

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sandeen_:

if you have the parts, may as well try it :)

[05:24:36]

Paleo:

and, any distro you'd recommend ? I like gentoo, so it'd be my first choice

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Dagmar:

Personally, I wouldn't use a bt8x8 card with Myth

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Dagmar:

It's too much trouble

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Paleo:

ok

[05:33:06]

Paleo:

anyway, I don't even plan to use my box for livetv ... rather for media playback/dvd/emulators/recording

[05:35:04]

Dagmar:

For people who mainly intend to be watching LiveTV, their best bet would be TVTime, not Myth

[05:37:21]

Paleo:

yeah, I love tvtime

[05:37:29]

Paleo:

but, it doesn't offer timeshifting

[05:55:28]

tjcarter:

I wouldn't really use MythTV for more than a digital VCR yet.

[05:55:44]

tjcarter:

MythMusic has a nightmare interface right now.

[05:56:25]

Dagmar:

Never heard that one before

[05:56:33]

tjcarter:

MythVideo, while cool, I just can't get the hang of for anything I don't import directly off a DVD.

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: Really? I'd have thought that making the interface a little more consistent with the rest of MythTV might be on the todo list. The result would probably look a lot more like an ipod menu system with an interesting variant of the recordings browser..

[05:59:11]

Dagmar:

Ya'd think that

[06:07:00]

sigger_:

Music is being worked on.

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tjcarter:

I tend to think lots of things.

[06:11:24]

Tanthrix:

Well, If I was going to whine right now, I'd whine about "Blue" being all of 1024x768. Looks like junk on my new 1080P set.

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clever:

theres more themes

[06:14:33]

Tanthrix:

Yes, but I've been using Blue for a year and a half now. I don't like change. ;)

[06:15:03]

clever:

lol

[06:15:28]

** tjcarter uses ProjectGrayhem-wide **

[06:16:06]

tjcarter:

Not because it's my favorite theme visually, but because it's pretty simple overall and easy on the eyes.

[06:16:31]

tjcarter:

also why I use Gray-OSD

[06:17:51]

Tanthrix:

Minamlist-wide is ugly as hell and mythcenter-wide doesn't scale lists well. (Lots of wasted space on program listing, small text, etc..)

[06:18:10]

adante:

hey guys, just a quick qn – how many FTA channels do you folks get in your countries?

[06:19:18]

Tanthrix:

I haven't tried ProjectGrayhem-wide, but from the screenshots I don't like the program listing. I don't care about generally useless 1 sentence program descriptions, so I don't need half the screen devoted to displaying them.

[06:19:50]

Tanthrix:

Is there a guide anywhere on making / hacking themes? I was polking around the ui.xml file of blue but some documentation would be nice.

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Tanthrix:

For instance, I'd like to extend the font coverage. On my wide set titles get truncated on most themes (Like: The Daily Show with....) even when there is plenty of room to show the whole thing.

[06:21:14]

Tanthrix:

I imagine somewhere in the ui file there is a line to change that.

[06:21:48]

Dagmar:

Actually, that would probably be a bug

[06:22:53]

Tanthrix:

A bug in the myth code or just the themes?

[06:23:30]

Tanthrix:

Sounds like a case of using absolute widths instead of relative ones to me, but I'm not familiar with the inner workings of myth.

[06:24:15]

Dagmar:

Could be a bug in the theme, but doubtful. More likely a bug in your setup that's making X think those fonts are a different size than they are

[06:24:33]

Dagmar:

Make *very* sure your display is set for 100x100 DPI

[06:24:54]

Dagmar:

Myth assumes 100DPI and lots of font-related things go insane when it's not

[06:24:55]

sigger_:

Tanthrix, the -ui.xml? I wish there was docs, but I'm not awareof any.

[06:25:23]

sigger_:

Best to stare at a printout while looking at its screen and play with the UI.

[06:25:25]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Do I set that in my xconf? I've never messed with that before, so I could very well be using 72 DPI instead.

[06:25:38]

Tanthrix:

sigger: Yeah, I figured.

[06:25:49]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: If you run xdpyinfo it will tell you

[06:25:51]

clever:

how would i check the dpi on my screens?

[06:25:54]

clever:

nvm:P

[06:26:10]

Dagmar:

Look at the Display_Size entry on the wiki and it will tell you how to basically lie to X in your xorg.conf to force 100DPI

[06:26:32]

clever:

resolution: 100x100 dots per inch

[06:26:40]

Dagmar:

X is real good about detecting the actual DPI, which is unfortunate for myth

[06:26:46]

clever:

ewww resolution: 75x75 dots per inch

[06:26:49]

clever:

on my main frontend

[06:27:59]

Tanthrix:

resolution: 59x59 dots per inch

[06:28:06]

Tanthrix:

Weird.

[06:28:16]

Dagmar:

Oh yeah that could easily be buggering your fonts

[06:28:29]

Tanthrix:

Excellent! Maybe my troubles will go away when I get it set right then.

[06:28:35]

jd86:

Has anyone encountered problems with codecs not being found when running mythtranscode, or might ahve an idea why? (running svn trunk)

[06:29:22]

Dagmar:

With 0.19 it would overcompensate when the dpi info was wrong, and I had a few screenshots where the main menu fonts were being drawn about five pixels high

[06:29:34]

clever:

lol

[06:31:47]

Tanthrix:

Hrm, well I added the appropirate line according to the wiki but it's still 59x59.

[06:32:03]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: You did restart X, right?

[06:32:26]

Tanthrix:

Aye.

[06:33:03]

Dagmar:

BLeh. Can you pastebin your xorg.conf?

[06:33:10]

Tanthrix:

Sure, one sec.

[06:35:04]

Tanthrix:

http://novae-res.org/xorg.conf

[06:35:31]

Dagmar:

Lookin' now

[06:35:45]

Tanthrix:

Line 70 is my newly added displaysize.

[06:36:22]

Dagmar:

I wonder...

[06:36:49]

Dagmar:

I get the feeling the dual monitor setup is confusing it

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Dagmar:

does it report DPI for both displays or just one?

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Tanthrix:

Both.

[06:37:43]

Tanthrix:

And the one I'm looking at is labeled Screen 1, and has the correct resolution right after it.

[06:37:45]

Dagmar:

Okay, DisplaySize must be getting overridden then

[06:37:48]

Dagmar:

Loko at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Specifyi . . . NVIDIA_Cards

[06:38:30]

Dagmar:

There's a total of about 4–5 ways to specify it, and usually DisplaySize "just works" everywhere but maybe not in this instance

[06:39:04]

Tanthrix:

That did the trick. Thanks, your help is much appreciated.

[06:39:07]

Tanthrix:

Now to check myth.

[06:39:29]

Dagmar:

No problem

[06:40:10]

Tanthrix:

Looks perfect. You rock.

[06:40:24]

Dagmar:

God I can't wait to see Grindhouse

[06:40:41]

Dagmar:

A hot chick with a machine gun for a prosthetic leg.

[06:40:45]

Tanthrix:

Fixed both my problems with the program listings and mythvideo (which was double spacing everything and looked like complete crap)

[06:40:46]

Dagmar:

God that's hot

[06:41:41]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Yeah it's a bit incorrect to force the DPI, but there is *no* reasonable solution to the issue of trying to keep fonts readable and glyphs landing where themers expect them to

[06:41:51]

Dagmar:

If there was one, I'd have been hassling people about it endlessly

[06:42:33]

Tanthrix:

What's incorrect about it? (Not that I'm worried, just seems like it wouldn't really matter)

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Dagmar:

Well, the point of the DPI data is to make sure fonts are the size they are supposed to be in comparison to reality

[06:44:45]

Dagmar:

We're no longer specify fonts based on pixel height anymore... we're using pt sizes, which are an actual, real-world size.

[06:45:22]

Tanthrix:

And if the DPI isn't properly "calibrated" then the pt sizes don't correspond to reality, right?

[06:45:31]

Dagmar:

If you were to say, put something on a 15" monitor in 20pt arial and a 25" monitor right next to it in 20pt arial, the text *should* be the exact same size on both

[06:46:43]

Tanthrix:

Sounds like a good idea compared to the old way. Beats getting a magnifying glass out for decent to moderately high resolutions.

[06:47:14]

Tanthrix:

So does X automagically compute (or get from EDID) what the proper DPI should be for a particularely sized monitor at a particular resolution?

[06:48:24]

Dagmar:

Yep

[06:48:43]

Dagmar:

The DPI it was reporing was probably correct, but not _useful_ for mythTV

[06:48:51]

Tanthrix:

Gotcha.

[06:49:26]

Tanthrix:

And am I correct in assuming Windows doesn't pay any attention to any of this?

[06:49:54]

Tanthrix:

Just sets everything to 72 DPI by default with the option to change it should you desire.

[06:49:54]

Dagmar:

It does

[06:50:05]

Dagmar:

It generally seems to screw it up, afact

[06:50:15]

Dagmar:

er afaict

[06:50:37]

Tanthrix:

I know that almost every single person I know that owns a LCD is *not* running it at its native resolution because "it makes the text too small"

[06:50:53]

Tanthrix:

So I always set it to the proper resolution and up the DPI to fix it for them.

[06:52:43]

Tanthrix:

By the way, since you seem to be a master of myth: Do you know of any way to change the amount of zooming going on during 4:3 zoom?

[06:52:51]

Dagmar:

Nope.

[06:52:57]

Tanthrix:

Damn. That would be useful.

[06:53:02]

Dagmar:

I've always assumed it's the fixed _sane_ value that would result in an exact fit

[06:53:23]

Dagmar:

As to blind people using Windows, you can change the base font size it uses and then it doens't break the browser

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Tanthrix:

Different channels seem to overscan their 16:9 stuff differently, but even when it's perfect 16:9 over SD myth still overscans a bit when displaying.

[06:54:57]

Tanthrix:

Probably something that will be implemented when more people get wide screen sets. Even now I still feel like I'm an early adopter.

[06:55:43]

Dagmar:

Overscan is normal

[06:57:40]

Dagmar:

I'd let them keep their silly letterboxing

[06:57:49]

Tanthrix:

But I've noticed that some channels overscan on their end so that their 16:9 recordings end up being slightly more towards 4:3, so that's why having adjustible zoom would be nice.

[06:58:31]

Tanthrix:

Letterboxing doesn't bug me, but having bars on both the top/bottom AND left/right does. ;-)

[06:59:03]

Tanthrix:

(I just got a Westinghouse LVM-37W3 set since my old 27'' SD CRT was about to die)

[07:02:59]

Tanthrix:

Well, thanks for your help Dagmar. You're my hero for today – I've been having font problems for years.

[07:03:20]

Tanthrix:

I'm off, later.

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chuggs:

is there a quick fix for black and white recordings using a PVR150 and an Nvidia FX5200 ?

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Dagmar:

Your video card has nothing to do with your recordings.

[08:53:52]

chuggs:

is there a quick fix for black and white recordings using a PVR150 ?

[08:58:42]

Dagmar:

Only if you know the exact cause, not just the symptom.

[08:58:59]

Dagmar:

You could, of course, change to a channel not showing black and white movies.

[08:59:31]

Dagmar:

I didn't think anyone under the age of 70 actually watched The Silent Films Channel

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chuggs:

sound is fine and its not an oldies channel

[09:00:58]

chuggs:

everything else is in colour except the actual recordings

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chuggs:

live TV is black and white as well

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Dagmar:

Hmm...

[09:27:57]

Dagmar:

So you've opened the possibility up for a different problem with that last statement...

[09:28:11]

Dagmar:

Have you copied one of these recordings to another machine and tried to play it there?

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Dagmar:

i.e., are you sure that _the recordings_ are in black and white?

[09:28:57]

Dagmar:

It's possible that you could be only getting monochromatic playback because you were a bit to aggressive about trying to enable opengl-xvmc (which does not work)

[09:29:38]

Dagmar:

OpenGL should work, and XvMC should work, but --enable-opengl-xvmc is typically just going to result in corrupted or _no_ video playback

[09:30:46]

jblack:

Everything in the mythtv directory should be in the recorded table, right?

[09:31:21]

Dagmar:

If you didn't configure it to store anything else in the place where it puts it's recordings

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jblack:

Correct. I did not.

[09:31:43]

Dagmar:

So then yes, everything that's in there should be a recording

[09:31:48]

jblack:

These are shows that I think were getting recorded during a crash.

[09:32:06]

Dagmar:

Could be, but they should still be showing up

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jblack:

Here's a good example:

[09:32:35]

Dagmar:

Like, if I go into the media room and power off my backend in the middle of a recording, and then boot it back up, it'll go back to recording, but will list two entries and have two separate recording files

[09:32:39]

jblack:

-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 13G Feb 4 22:00 5221_20070204182500.mpg

[09:33:44]

jblack:

a select * from recorded where basename like '521_2007.....mpg%' returns no rows.

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Dagmar:

You're asking the wrong person there.

[09:34:27]

jblack:

ok.

[09:34:30]

Dagmar:

I don't muck with writing SQL queries by hand

[09:34:42]

jblack:

Thanks for trying to help anyways. ;)

[09:35:07]

jblack:

Lets simplify the question a bit. Do you know of a tool to syncronize the filestore with the db?

[09:35:48]

Dagmar:

I can only say I've seen people talk about one.

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Dagmar:

I've no idea what it's name is or how to get it

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jblack:

Ok.

[09:36:18]

jblack:

This is worrying. I have 635 files in that dir, and only 310 db entries.

[09:36:20]

Dagmar:

You shouldn't normally have orphaned files there unless you've gone and erased entries from the table

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jblack:

Nope. I have had some crashes in the past.

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Dagmar:

That would be normal.

[09:37:07]

Dagmar:

Nearly half of them are thumbnails, for one thing.

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jblack:

Durh. :)

[09:37:22]

jblack:

For me, that is

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Dagmar:

There will also be . and .. and nfsfile.lock

[09:39:32]

Dagmar:

Something might have happened to interfere with the "slow file deletes" option to compensate for the fools who use ext3

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jblack:

I may have slow file deletes on.

[09:40:22]

jblack:

Though I' using jffs

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Dagmar:

It's not really necessary if you are using XFS or JFS,

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jblack:

pardon, jfs

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jblack:

I was using ext3 at one time

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Dagmar:

You've probably noticed it deletes large files *much* faster than ext3 then

[09:44:16]

chuggs:

Dagmar: My older recordings are in colour. new ones are not. I had this problem before in Sept of 05 and fixed it by switching to a non-existant tuner0 and switching back to svideo0. Thats not working this time.

[09:44:44]

jblack:

Ohh, a lot of these are feb 4, feb 6...

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chuggs:

Dagmar: this is sick. I unplugged the Satellite end of the s-video and plugged it back in .. and i worked. I did it to the other end before and it didnt !!

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JosX:

bad svideo cord then i think pal, it happend to me too :(

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GlemSom:

If I have a CD with some homevideos on (both mpeg and xvid encoded) I can use "mplayer *" to play the files... But since there's no menu system in mplayer, is there a way I can skip to the next file?

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tank-man:

there is a list, google linux wifi

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harzi:

ok, i will look

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Dagmar:

Doh.

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Dagmar:

I just bought one a few weeks ago and don't remember what it is because it 'just worked'.

[10:46:31]

Dagmar:

What's easier tho is anything that uses the ipw2200 driver from Intel (which is in the kernel)

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GlemSom:

What Windows manager does people use with mythtv? Currently I have evilwm, but that has ALOT of problems focusing :/

[10:50:46]

tank-man:

kde works

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harzi:

Dagmar: it looks that ipw2200-cards are intel ones ant those are buit in or mini-PCI, unfortunate not PCMCIA (at least here in Switzerland)

[10:51:04]

Dagmar:

Ah...

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Dagmar:

I wish I could remember what PCI card I bought

[10:51:30]

Dagmar:

All I can remember at the moment is that it was a Linksys card

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harzi:

i think (not sure) atheros (madwifi) is the best choice

[10:51:58]

Dagmar:

I think that anything would be preferable to acx100

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harzi:

Dagmar: that what i thought too, my USR5410 has acx111, but there is no WPA support for it

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Dagmar:

That acx100 driver is hideously unstable

[10:53:53]

Dagmar:

If you didn't want G support I'd have said "ORINOCO SILVER FTW!"

[10:54:06]

Dagmar:

Those old wavelan silver cards rock

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Dagmar:

Well, you can be more specific than just telling the dump command to do the _entire_ mythconverg database

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LLyric:

Is there a way to automatically scan for new content in videos, rather than having to run the videomanager?

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banyan:

anyone using fc6 with ivtv 0.10.1, having problems getting their tuner to work?

[12:02:58]

banyan:

Channels don't seem to tune correctly.

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Dagmar:

LLyric: But that's how you make it scan for new videos

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tank-man:

i installed ivtv 0.10.1 just fine the other day. no problem, upgraded from 4.x

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wolfspirit:

is there any easy way to get channels to work with the pvr-150 when you have digital satellite?

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LLyric:

pvr-150 using analogue input? you want to change channels on the satellite box?

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wolfspirit:

LLyric: yes

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wolfspirit:

LLyric: and use the guide to record shows

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LLyric:

You need an IR blaster (a bit of hardware), and some software to drive it.

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LLyric:

Gotta go to bed now

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wolfspirit:

is the IR blaster the IR sensor?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

no, transmitter

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wolfspirit:

I have both I believe

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wolfspirit:

it came with the pvr 150

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RaYmAn-Bx:

nah

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it's a different thing

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wolfspirit:

oh

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wolfspirit:

because this has an IR transmitter and receiver on it

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RaYmAn-Bx:

basically a small device that allows myth to send remote control commands to the satellite box

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wolfspirit:

question for you then..

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wolfspirit:

let's say I don't care about the remote control.. can I still pick a channel in the guide and will it go to that channel?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it has nothing to do with the remote control as such..you need the device to make the satelitte box change channels

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wolfspirit:

unless you get a DVB-s card?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

yes, assuming you can get it working and all

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RaYmAn-Bx:

not entirely sure that's the same thing

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RaYmAn-Bx:

that's prolly just a receiver and the transmitter is in the remote control

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wolfspirit:

well this one comes with two wires coming out of the pvr-150

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wolfspirit:

I'm thinking it might be the IR blaster you're talking about.. one is an IR reciever and the other is a thicker eye camera looking thing

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xenoNfluX:

yes, the IR Blaster is an IR transmitter for just that purpose

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xenoNfluX:

the remote itself isnt smart enough to send the right signals directly to another device

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wolfspirit:

would you happen to have a link on how to set that up with myth?

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xenoNfluX:

hm, that's a start

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it's incredible how much help the docs can be with your problems ;)

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xenoNfluX:

hm, what's a decent cheap remote that's supported in lirc/MythTV?

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xenoNfluX:

I've got a basic Hauppauge remote, but don't have a port for the IR Blaster/Receiver, nor do I have the IR Blaster/Receiver :P

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clever[rev]:

allmost any remote will work in lirc

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sokminer:

hi all

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clever[rev]:

just grab a random one from the drawer with enough buttons

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xenoNfluX:

lol

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clever[rev]:

hard part is a receiver for the pc

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xenoNfluX:

exactly

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xenoNfluX:

I think I might just drop some money on this

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xenoNfluX:

http://registration.hauppauge.com/webstore/ha . . . t=mce_remote

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clever[rev]:

not shure how well lirc works with usb devices

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xenoNfluX:

heh, I don't think I have any other choice

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clever[rev]:

serial based ones

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xenoNfluX:

ahh

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xenoNfluX:

got any suggestions?

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clever[rev]:

http://lnx.manoweb.com/lirc/?partType=section . . . Name=placing is just one of MANY

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clever[rev]:

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=seria . . . ch&meta= lists alot more

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clever[rev]:

some explaon how to make it

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clever[rev]:

others also make it in bulk and sell

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xenoNfluX:

cool

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clever[rev]:

brb shower

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xenoNfluX:

ah, looks like that MCE remote is supported under the mceusb2 driver

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kim0:

Hi, I'm building minimyth ... Do I have to write minimyth.conf myself?! Which values are not optional? I'm kinda lost

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rushfan:

Can anony ehelp work out why mythtv claims that I cant watch TV because the all available inputs are being used, even though nothing is being recorded?

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mboman:

I accedently managed to put my frontend into italian, how can I reset it back to english?

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_Jaak_:

has development come to a pause?

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seabag:

_Jaak_: why would you say that?

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_Jaak_:

seabag, since the last post on http://www.mythtv.org/ is from september 28th

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GreyFoxx:

_Jaak_: That's just about the last release date

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GreyFoxx:

but there is lots of development, we just don't care about keeping the frontpage active

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bcnx:

GlemSom, been trying to get decent TV-out on an nVidia card, not succeeding uptill now, so I was thinking going in the other direction and using the PVR-350

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bcnx:

did you ever run MythGame on the PVR-350?

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Bachus31415:

Mythtv (0.20 on Debian sarge) seems to have "forgotten" all of my recording schedules. Which table is this stored under so I can check if the data has actually been deleted?

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GlemSom:

bcnx, I havent tried mythgames... But since the PVR-350 does not have opengl support – I don't think it's suitable for that

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GreyFoxx:

bcnx: the biggest problem is the overall lack of hardware acceleration on the 350. So your luck with it will vary from emulator to emulator.

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kharan5876:

can anyone recommend a good remote receiver for a pc? I'm looking for one that has any many different buttons as possible.

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bcnx:

kharan, you mean a remote and not a receiver

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kharan5876:

yeah remote and receiver

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kharan5876:

im trying to find a better one to work with my universal remote

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bcnx:

Glem and Grey: I hear Xv is sufficient, but I get the impression it's still quite an adventure. But I don't get any decent picture quality on a Pioneer plasma TV, so I'm very much inclined to go down that road anyway

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GreyFoxx:

bcnx: XV is only good if that particular emulator will use XV fro scaling. If it uses OpenGL for scaling or other effects then the 350 wont be able to help so you drop back to software only

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sigger_:

kharan5876, look at the logitech harmony models with screens. e.g. I have the 680. you can program the screen to hold pages of buttons (6 per page on mine)

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kharan5876:

i have a logitech harmony

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sigger_:

no likey?

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kharan5876:

but I need a receiver on the pc that accepts more button presses

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sigger_:

actually, consider changing the remote that the logi is emulating.

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kharan5876:

also the receiver i have doesnt work that well with the harmony and their tech support pretty much told me they cant do anything

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kharan5876:

thats exactly what im trying to do sig

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sigger_:

what kind of receiver?

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kharan5876:

its an imon receiver, came with a thermaltake bach case

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sigger_:

look at tekgems.com. they may still have packard bell remote/receiver combos. chuck the remote if you wish.

[15:44:12]

sigger_:

$11 w/shipping IIRC

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sigger_:

in US

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bcnx:

GreyFoxx: thank you. I'm curently using xmame. Itt's a pitty one cannot have the best of both worlds and have good TV-out AND things like OpenGL and XvMC

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GreyFoxx:

bcnx: it's a matter of find the right card and combo of settings. I'm very happy with the output of my cards, especially after I changed the flicker filter settings

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GreyFoxx:

The box at work, we can't see any different between "Real" tv or the output of the mythbox.

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bcnx:

GreyFoxx: almost everybody seems to agree on Nvidia cards, which I used. I even use VGA out to my TV, high capturing resolution, Bob-deint. but still about 30% of the normal picture quality. It's sad one can't really see other people's results.

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kharan5876:

ill try that thanks

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bcnx:

Please elaborate on "the box at work"

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ByteChanger:

my 5200 blows away my Nexus video output...

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sigger_:

kharan5876, btw, if you're looking for a remote to emulate that has more buttons, scour the listings on lirg.org and see which remote has tons of buttons listed. in particular, I find that AVR remotes have the most buttons

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GreyFoxx:

bcnx: I have a mythtv setup at work as well where they use a different video card than I do at home. The tvout of that card is better than mine at home, so good that we can't tell which is which between tv and tvout

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kharan5876:

thanks sigger_ ill try that too

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sigger_:

kharan5876, np. if you come up with a good remote to emu, lemme know (via PM) been thinking about making a change but just had too many other things to do.

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Dagmar:

I usually aim for a remote with the rc5 protocol

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bcnx:

GreyFoxx, do you know what card it is you refer to?

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GreyFoxx:

bcnx: They use an fx5200 and the output is visibly better than my already good mx440

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kharan5876:

whats the rc5 protocol do?

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bcnx:

mmm, interesting. I've tried a GeForce MX4000 and I very recent nVidia card (forgot the exact type). None of them really outut decent picture. Do you use filters?

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kharan5876:

ty

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Dagmar:

bcnx: Set your output resolution to 1024x768 and I betcha it'll get brighter and clearer

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Dagmar:

bcnx: I noticed at lower resolution the outputs on multiple cards I had here was relatively unthrilling

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bcnx:

Dagmar: that's what I'm using actually

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bcnx:

the non-TV output us fine, but watching lifeTV is about 30% of the quality of the Plasma screen

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bcnx:

very ugly

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Bachus31415:

MythTV has decided it doesn't want to display (or record, for that matter) upcoming recordings or schedule new ones. How should I go about troubleshooting this?

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bcnx:

Bachus: anythin particular in mythbackend.log?

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kharan5876:

hmm i wonder if I could use a wireless keyboard for the logitech harmony and lirc, that would be a ton of buttons

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Dagmar:

I regret having only paid for the "whenever it gets there" shipping on the mini wireless keyboard with built-in pointer-mouse that I ordered last week

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Bachus31415:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . ght=1#258681

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bcnx:

I suppose running with debug options doesn't reveil anythin either?

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Bachus31415:

I'm wondering if I should export the tables containing recording schedules and recorded programs and then delete the whole db, purge all the config files, and reinstall.

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bcnx:

that's a lot of work, hopefully it will pay off then

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Dagmar:

Well, if you make a backup of the whole db first, it probably can't hurt to try

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Bachus31415:

Nothing that isn't also in that link. I never get any errors in the mythtv or mysql logs and none are shown when I run mythfrontend in verbose mode from a terminal.

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Bachus31415:

I made a backup of the whole db just a few minutes ago. I wish I'd made one last night before messing with a second backend....

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jd86:

2007-03–18 12:37:32.089 1002 @ 2007-03–18T11:17:04 in use by flagger on tvbox yet nothing is flagging on this host,, whats going on?

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bcnx:

Bachus: jup, PC enthousiasts would definitely profit the most from a time travelling machine

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Bachus31415:

It's so weird that whatever the problem is it only apparently affects this one table in the database.

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bcnx:

the table for recordings you mean?

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Bachus31415:

Right.

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Bachus31415:

Well isn't this interesting. It decided to start working now. All I did was go through the general settings in mythtv-setup. I didn't even change any of them.

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bcnx:

don't ask any questions then, just be happy :-)

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Bachus31415:

Agreed. :)

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Bachus31415:

Now back to the original problem that started this whole mess. Nuvexport's been running quite slowly these past few days. Like half its usual speed. :(

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xenoNfluX:

whoa, kormoc!

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bcnx:

Bachus, don't use that, sorry

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Tanthrix:

Does anyone know who originally made the 'Blue' theme?

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juski:

look in the text file in the root of the theme dir maybe?

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Tanthrix:

I didn't see anything in the "blue" folder that had any names and I checked all the xml / txt files.

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Tanthrix:

I think it may be the first theme so it may go back a ways.

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juski:

why do you want to know anyway?

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juski:

no point

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juski:

myth will scale everything from a base res of 800x600 for 4:3 themes

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Tanthrix:

Oh, I know that, but it can only do so much when the original images are so small.

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Tanthrix:

On my new 1080P set it looks pretty bad.

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juski:

kim0: the frontend is just the GUI & player part of mythtv. the 'backend' does all the recording (even live tv) and scheduling

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juski:

Tanthrix: so make a -wide version of 'blue' then :)

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Tanthrix:

That's partly what I would like to do.

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Tanthrix:

But my photoshop abilities are somewhat limited so if I could get the originals and not have to bother recreating everything that would be excellent.

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Tanthrix:

Though, is what I desire even capable? You mentioned that myth scales everything from the default 800x600 – is it even possible to create a default theme larger than that?

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juski:

Tanthrix: only wide themes are larger

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juski:

1280x720 base res

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Tanthrix:

Can it go higher than that?

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juski:

nope

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juski:

it's hard-coded

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Tanthrix:

Into myth itself?

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juski:

though some themes look better on hdtvs than others ;)

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Tanthrix:

(I know it's hardcoded into the ui files)

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juski:

yeah

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Tanthrix:

Damn.

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Tanthrix:

That seems silly – why not do full 1080P then scale everything down?

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Tanthrix:

Probably will at some point I suppose.

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Tanthrix:

In any case, 1280x720P would look a lot better I'm sure.

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Tanthrix:

I imagine though that it would be more than just changing the graphics to convert the theme.

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Tanthrix:

Do you think people would like having a wide blue theme, or does everyone hate blue except me? ;-)

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Tanthrix:

I'll probably go crazy later after staring at nice crisp font with pixellated menu graphics so I'll end up making a wide version no matter the cost!

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Tanthrix:

And on a random side note I am thoroughly impressed with the improvements made to channel changing in the recent version. Nearly twice as fast as it used to take.

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juski:

Tanthrix: hmmm lemme think... big, blue themes...

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juski:

aha! www.juski.co.uk

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juski:

Tanthrix: be warned though, blootube-wide will use a *lot* of RAM scaled to 1080. If you're worried about ram usage, try blootubelite-wide instead

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ByteChanger:

Are MythTV frontend's necessary? Could I use Mythweb & a windoze application?

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ByteChanger:

and just setup a backend server?

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rsdvd:

as far as I know – there are no full windoze apps (yet)

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ByteChanger:

ahh, whatabout that mythstream? How does that work? Do you need a frontend for it?

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rsdvd:

no -mythstream will stream from the backend....no need for a frontend........but without the frontend you will be missing lots of the advantages of myth

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ByteChanger:

cool, thanks.

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orgy:

Has anyone gotten mythstream to work with 0.20?

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clop:

hrmn, suddenly Xorg is using a lot of CPU and myth is stuttery... any idea why that might happen?

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kim0:

Xorg eating your kittens

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sunbug:

Anyone know i can watch a stream in myth?

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rsdvd:

can anyone help me get a bt878 card to work? I cannot make the /dev entry appear ?

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clop:

please, think of the kittens ;(

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rsdvd:

clop : :-)

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RaYmAn-Bx:

true, they need to die! All of them!

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rsdvd:

the kittens of framegrabbers?

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rsdvd:

s/of/or/

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RaYmAn-Bx:

both

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rsdvd:

lol......To be honest – this is not actually to be used for mythtv.....it is actually for zoneminder CCTV......but I though you folks would know how to get it recognised

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kim0:

um, anyone knows how much disk space mythdora consumes ?

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stuarta:

rsdvd: um, there's now a zoneminder plugin for myth

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rsdvd:

stuarta : I noticed, but it only works where the zoneminder server and mythtv server are on the same box......but If I can get this damn bt878 card regognised I might look into the plugin

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stuarta:

bt878 framegrabber?

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rsdvd:

yes

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stuarta:

v4l is what you need

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rsdvd:

stuart : It is supposed to be supported in the latest kernel....

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stuarta:

yeah, but you need to make sure you are using the bt878 analogu framegrabber stuff not the dvb stuff.

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rsdvd:

how would I do that?

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stuarta:

play with module loading

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rsdvd:

do you know what modules they are? bttv or bt878 ?

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stuarta:

believe it's bt878

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sunbug:

How can i watch a mms stream in mythtv????

[19:04:43]

Dagmar:

Mythstream plugin. With the onus that you get to figure out how to get mythstream to even look at it

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Dagmar:

...and it's buggy

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stuarta:

and written for 0.18 or thereabouts

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stuarta:

i suspect it'll be obsolete once xris finished the streaming stuff for mythweb

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xris:

if I can ever get backend support for it, yup

[19:06:58]

xris:

heh

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juski:

nah we're talking about mythstream

[19:07:05]

juski:

not mythstreamtv

[19:07:24]

juski:

damn silly idea calling a plugin that if you ask me

[19:08:30]

juski:

mythstream is the one for using online streaming media whereas mythstreamtv is for streaming recordings online

[19:08:37]

stuarta:

xris: btw, would it be simple to allow the specification of hostname:port for the alternate non https streaming settings.

[19:09:08]

xris:

for what?

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Zider:

mythstream works well here at least

[19:09:36]

stuarta:

currently there's the option for the streaming to use http rather than https.

[19:09:50]

xris:

yeah

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stuarta:

perhaps allow a way to setup the hostname:port that the alternate method uses.

[19:10:02]

juski:

ByteChanger: some windows apps will play mythtv recordings by way of mythbackend's upnp server. think Nero Showtime

[19:10:09]

xris:

but if you want another host, wouldn't you just connect directly to it?

[19:10:23]

stuarta:

aka, i've no interest in opening port 80 to the world

[19:11:23]

xris:

ahh

[19:11:32]

xris:

yeah, it wouldn't be hard to add

[19:11:57]

Zider:

an official mythstream plugin would be really nice :P

[19:12:03]

Zider:

or, mythstream-alike

[19:12:04]

stuarta:

figure you'd be able to do it in 5 minutes, compared to my 50mins

[19:12:59]

stuarta:

though i'd happily give it a bash.

[19:13:15]

xris:

Zider: or integration with mythmusic/video

[19:13:18]

xris:

podcasts, etc.

[19:13:27]

Dibblah:

bash: mythweb: command not found

[19:13:39]

Dibblah:

;)

[19:13:44]

Zider:

podcasts aren't interesting to me.. only streams.. slayradio and demoscene tv <3

[19:13:50]

stuarta:

xris: that sounds like mythical convergence

[19:13:52]

Dibblah:

Don't worry, folks, I'm here all weekend.

[19:13:55]

juski:

oh shit. ahh well, kiss goodbye to your dreams of UK FTA HDTV: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/17/ofcom_sky/

[19:14:13]

Dibblah:

You have the most unlikely dreams.

[19:14:55]

xris:

Zider: podcasts *are* streams.. well, an xml link to a streamed file.

[19:15:02]

juski:

well never mind free to air. I'd settle for *accessible* at a push

[19:15:04]

stuarta:

juski: i believe the main fta players preferred HD allocation rather than more SD

[19:15:11]

xris:

Zider: but I get your point

[19:15:31]

Dibblah:

Duh. HD == Premium.

[19:15:54]

juski:

HD != premium in the good ole US of A though

[19:16:11]

Dagmar:

There' definitel talking up CAM at the tech conference this year

[19:16:21]

stuarta:

yeah but HD could easily be encrypted

[19:16:24]

Zider:

"good" and "US of A"? kind of contradicting.. ;)

[19:16:26]

Dibblah:

Doesn't matter how many channels there actually are, since they'll all be split into "packages"...

[19:16:58]

stuarta:

okay so that buggers up my argument of FTA HD

[19:17:03]

juski:

my main beef is that even if you pay for it, you can't do anything with it with mythtv

[19:17:24]

stuarta:

topuptv eventually released a CAM

[19:17:26]

Tanthrix:

juski: I guess you know what you're talking about then ;-)

[19:17:39]

juski:

Tanthrix: kinda

[19:17:45]

Tanthrix:

juski: (About themes, that is, from earlier)

[19:17:49]

juski:

Tanthrix: kinda

[19:17:50]

Dibblah:

juski: Errr... Eh?

[19:17:51]

juski:

;)

[19:17:55]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[19:18:07]

Tanthrix:

I'll give yours a go.

[19:18:21]

sokminer:

well some cable companies do include the local HD channels....

[19:18:25]

Dibblah:

CAMs are (fairly minimally, admittedly) supported fully by Myth.

[19:18:28]

Tanthrix:

I'm just very used to Blue so I don't know if I can get along without it ;)

[19:18:44]

Dibblah:

As long as you don't care about menus, etc...

[19:18:52]

juski:

Dibblah: well, if $ky are allowed to remain the only way to get HDTV, I doubt I'll ever get it

[19:19:02]

Dibblah:

Ah. Sky is different.

[19:19:11]

Dibblah:

There is no NDS cam.

[19:19:19]

Dibblah:

Sorry. Official CAM.

[19:19:29]

juski:

There's no nagra cam for Virgin Media either

[19:19:43]

juski:

and they can chop you off for connecting your own gear

[19:19:51]

Dibblah:

Err... No.

[19:20:00]

Dibblah:

Well, yes.

[19:20:13]

Dibblah:

But they can also take you to court and chuck you in the cells.

[19:20:26]

Dibblah:

I know which one I'd be more concerned with.

[19:20:40]

Dibblah:

I've seen bad girls. ;)

[19:20:43]

juski:

so no legal alternative to their monopoly, which is sad

[19:21:32]

juski:

I could always just cut my aerial feed & download stuff – or just abstain from telly altogether

[19:22:33]

juski:

might not be bad news though – I mean folks other than me might have hassled ofcom about what they want to do with the old analogue spectrum

[19:23:11]

Dibblah:

I think they should give it to The Internet. ;)

[19:23:32]

juski:

Wimax? PFFFT

[19:23:42]

Dibblah:

Naaah.

[19:24:21]

Dagmar:

If you stopped watching TV you'd miss the trailers for Grindhouse

[19:25:01]

Dagmar:

Exploding cars and a hot chick with a machine gun plus grenade launcher for a prosthetic leg? I am *so* there on opening night

[19:25:17]

juski:

if I stopped watching TV I'd get up to 2 hours of ever day back :)

[19:25:25]

** stuarta looks up grindhouse **

[19:25:56]

Dagmar:

stuarta: It is apparently everything "wrong" with violent american movies, all ground up into a delicious pasta

[19:26:05]

stuarta:

mmmmm

[19:26:14]

Dagmar:

Rose McGowan is "the hot chick"

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jduggan_:

juski: youd just waste it looking at another screen though ;)

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juski:

whoever the hell she is

[19:26:29]

Dagmar:

The redhead from Charmed.

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juski:

charmed?

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stuarta:

witches

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** juski googles **

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Dagmar:

grindhousemovie.net

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Dagmar:

The trailers are some form of hitherto undiscovered porn I swear

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Dibblah:

There is already porn of everything. Don't go searching.

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gardengnome:

... you might not come back

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juski:

I must be in an especially misanthropic mood – I gave up on it as soon as it loaded

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Dagmar:

It's a Tarantino film.

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juski:

oh joy

[19:29:13]

Dagmar:

They really have bred the violence out of you guys.

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Dagmar:

heh

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juski:

I don't see the point of gore in films for the sheer sake of it

[19:30:13]

gardengnome:

juski: huh?

[19:30:16]

Dagmar:

I didn't notice any gore

[19:30:22]

** gardengnome watched the devil's rejects yesterday ;) **

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juski:

like I said I gave up on the site as soon as it loaded... didn't seem to do anything in my browser

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Dagmar:

Damn that flash plugin

[19:31:21]

juski:

I'm still feeling a bit scarred from ffwding thru a downloaded film somebody at work gave me.. Hostel it was called. JESUS!

[19:31:30]

Dagmar:

Yuck

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jduggan_:

haha

[19:31:35]

Dagmar:

That one didn't play well here either

[19:31:35]

gardengnome:

pf

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gardengnome:

hostel was cheap

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jduggan_:

awful

[19:31:52]

stuarta:

okay, that's silly. A machine gun for a leg???

[19:31:57]

Dagmar:

Snuff flicks work for about a week and then everyone who would pay for it has seen it

[19:32:02]

juski:

it wasn't the actual onscreen content that bothered me – it was the subject matter

[19:32:14]

Dagmar:

stuarta: It's about giving you chicks and guns in a more efficient format

[19:32:21]

juski:

like HELLO I know it's not real but erm...

[19:32:49]

juski:

and all this & the yanks daren't show a nipple in a film damnit

[19:32:55]

Dagmar:

It's sad.

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hjohnson:

you want nasty stuff, just follow the testemony in the Robert Picton trial here in Vancouver.

[19:33:38]

hjohnson:

it's disturbing.

[19:33:41]

Dagmar:

Personally I think these reality shows are probably worse for kids to see than hardcore porno

[19:33:41]

gardengnome:

btw, how's hans reiser?

[19:33:51]

Dagmar:

Still in jail probably

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hjohnson:

they charged him, no?

[19:37:06]

Dibblah:

Sheesh. Google News not available where you are? ;)

[19:37:40]

juski:

haha

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juski:

#mythtv-users, for all the latest news & views...

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gardengnome:

Dibblah: just trying to have a conversation ;)

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juski:

well in other news, advertisers are asking $ky for refunds... that'll show em

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jeffpostcn:

Hello all, I have searched and searched but have not found a solution to my Menu Color problems. Mythfront end when started manually uses the wrong color pallet when it is full screen. if I have it behind another window it looks great. any suggestions?

[19:48:46]

juski:

use a better/different window manager perhaps?

[19:49:04]

jeffpostcn:

interesting which would you suggest?

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Dibblah:

Why 'when started manually'?

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rjune:

I use metacity. though that sounds like color pallatte, what depth do you have X set at?

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juski:

I dunno – IIRC I use ratpoison & don't have any issues with it

[19:49:53]

Dibblah:

I'm an evil man myself.

[19:50:03]

rjune:

you use windows?

[19:50:11]

Dibblah:

evilwm, that is.

[19:50:32]

Dibblah:

Nothing like a keyboard-centric WM :)

[19:50:37]

jeffpostcn:

I believe 24 bits. I am new to fedora (mythdora) so I am unsure how to check

[19:50:53]

jeffpostcn:

I start it manually so I can watch the output.

[19:50:55]

Dibblah:

Especially when... you... don't... have... a... keyboard.

[19:51:04]

rjune:

most definitive method is to check the config file

[19:51:08]

Dibblah:

Err... Maybe that's not such a good choice.

[19:51:26]

Dagmar:

If he's been running in 256-colors I'll laugh

[19:51:30]

jeffpostcn:

as opposed to the autostrt witht he mythtv user

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juski:

I had high hopes for mythdora but I've yet to hear a single good thing about it

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jeffpostcn:

I dont think it is a colo depth think

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Dibblah:

When you do it like that, does it work properly?

[19:51:55]

jeffpostcn:

as like i said when it is in the backgroun it looks great

[19:52:07]

Dagmar:

If the colors change when you focus a different window...

[19:52:07]

Dibblah:

ATI card?

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gardengnome:

does it look like smurf mode?

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rjune:

I suddenly have the urge to link goatse and ask if it looks like that

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jeffpostcn:

on my screen all the menu's appear red/orange.

[19:53:11]

jeffpostcn:

Display adapter is Nvidia

[19:53:15]

Dagmar:

If you're using the blue theme that's bad

[19:53:28]

Dibblah:

TV out?

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juski:

maybe it's that theme I've not done yet – the one called rednoob

[19:53:41]

jeffpostcn:

no tv out. using VGA CRT display

[19:53:50]

Dibblah:

Oooh. That's odd.

[19:53:58]

Dibblah:

nvidia driver or nv?

[19:53:59]

juski:

odd, but I've heard of it happening

[19:54:13]

jeffpostcn:

just backreved to nvidia 96xx

[19:54:35]

Dibblah:

It does sound as Dagmar says like a color palette starvation. But...

[19:54:43]

jeffpostcn:

got rid of a few dmesg errors but not the color issue.

[19:55:04]

Dagmar:

What +model* nVidia card?

[19:55:08]

juski:

sounds more like a colourspace inversion to me

[19:55:09]

jeffpostcn:

BRB

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Dibblah:

That' shouldn't be happening on direct color color depths.

[19:55:29]

juski:

red<>blue<>red

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Dibblah:

Yeah. Which would make sense with some strange TV out error.

[19:56:02]

jeffpostcn:

gforce 2 ultra bladerunner

[19:56:12]

Dibblah:

But... I can't see how to cause it on a CRT.

[19:56:15]

Dagmar:

Keep going backwards then

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Dibblah:

Ah... Geforce2. Takes me back, does that.

[19:56:54]

Dibblah:

The heady days of watercooling.

[19:56:57]

juski:

ah geforce2... do the binary drivers still support them?

[19:57:01]

Dagmar:

I'm pretty sure you have to use the "Legacy" driver with that one

[19:57:04]

Dagmar:

Farking ancient

[19:57:06]

Dibblah:

Ahem. Sorry. Shouldn't drink and IRC ;)

[19:57:14]

jeffpostcn:

yup, using legacy

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Dagmar:

No you're not.

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Dagmar:

"<jeffpostcn> just backreved to nvidia 96xx" <-- this is NOT the legacy driver

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jeffpostcn:

ok

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Dagmar:

7184 is the legacy driver.

[19:58:21]

jeffpostcn:

know where I can get it?

[19:58:25]

Dagmar:

Sez right there on the page "Latest Legacy GPU version: 1.0–7814"

[19:58:29]

Dagmar:

Nvidia's SITE

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gardengnome:

where is it?

[19:58:51]

Dagmar:

This is the one driver you might need outside the kernel other than ivtv, and it is stupid-simple to install

[19:58:57]

Tanthrix:

That's the supported cards listing linked to from the latest 9655 driver.

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gardengnome:

jeffpostcn: your distro even might have it packaged

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jeffpostcn:

OK, i will give that a go. Thanks to all!

[19:59:58]

Tanthrix:

I was curious if they had reincluded support for some reason but it prompted me to install a 96xx version, which oddly enough worked fine with my GF4 Ti6400.

[20:00:40]

Dagmar:

Yeah but that card he has is barely a step up from a TNT2

[20:01:02]

Tanthrix:

Oh, ok.

[20:01:06]

Dagmar:

Probably someone screwed up

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juski:

pre gf4 cards generally have *very* awful TV encoders on em

[20:01:30]

juski:

when I say that I mean NASTY

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Dagmar:

I'm suprised he hasn't mentioned he was using the nvtv module

[20:01:58]

Dagmar:

I half expected he would have to use it because that was about when they were putting those composite out ports on their cards instead of s-video

[20:02:36]

Dagmar:

Wow

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: i had a geforce 2 card that'd do *only* svideo

[20:02:42]

Dagmar:

Definitely a shortbus model, that one

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Tanthrix:

I could swear it used to be different, but maybe I'm just smoking something.

[20:08:42]

Dagmar:

There is a very long list of caveats with the oldest ones that you don't have to deal with on the 'legacy' driver

[20:08:55]

tank-man:

i just installed 9631 the other day on my gf2mx

[20:08:58]

Tanthrix:

Good to know.

[20:09:26]

** gardengnome thinks about getting an older ATI card because of the OSS driver **

[20:10:09]

stuarta:

gardengnome: it's getting better :)

[20:10:41]

Tanthrix:

juski: Blootube-wide looks pretty nice. You're right about the ram usage though – I go up to around 40MB when cycling through menus.

[20:10:52]

Dagmar:

Well, if you want to be 100% certain, ask him for his PCI id

[20:10:56]

gardengnome:

stuarta: the drivers?

[20:11:11]

Tanthrix:

And holy hell the preview video is 4:3 like it should be!

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juski:

Tanthrix: 16:9 previews are 16:9, 4:3 previews are 4:3 AFAIK

[20:12:28]

stuarta:

gardengnome: yeah, need to update and test again, but there's improvement

[20:12:28]

atlanta800:

quick, easy question for a prospective user. If I get a PVR-150 card, do I have to have to purchase a dedicated audio card for it?

[20:12:42]

juski:

atlanta800: no

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hjohnson:

sigh, so much stuff to spend my money on. :P

[20:12:48]

juski:

pvr150 captures audio onboard

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atlanta800:

thought so, but wasn't clear

[20:12:59]

atlanta800:

thanks

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Tanthrix:

atlanta800: That's one of the best parts of getting a PVR card. No A/V sync issues to deal with because it's all encoded by the card.

[20:13:25]

juski:

no messy 'my audio is borked cos I didn't RTFM' either ;)

[20:13:26]

gardengnome:

stuarta: nice. especially because i won't need tv-out anyways. can you recommend a cheap ATI card that'll work well with the opengl niftiness of mythtv?

[20:13:57]

stuarta:

not at this point in time. (i need to retest things)

[20:14:17]

atlanta800:

sweet, also, can I watch live tv while encoding (the same channel or a different channel) with a pvr?

[20:14:34]

gardengnome:

stuarta: let me know how it goes ;)

[20:14:46]

Tanthrix:

atlanta800: Only if you have a PVR-500 which has two tuners, or two PVR-150 cards.

[20:14:52]

juski:

atlanta800: only one channel can be watched/recorded (same thing in mythtv anyway) at once with a single tuner card

[20:14:53]

stuarta:

will do, the hard part is finding time in the scheule.

[20:15:11]

gardengnome:

stuarta: no worries, i'm not in a hurry.

[20:15:22]

atlanta800:

ok, but with one card I can watch and record the same channel at the same time correct?

[20:15:31]

Tanthrix:

Correct.

[20:15:43]

atlanta800:

awesome, alright, that clears things up a lot for me

[20:15:57]

Tanthrix:

You can always view whatever myth is recording in real time.

[20:16:01]

stuarta:

my current feeling is that for the money, it's simpler to get a supported nvidia card...

[20:17:16]

Tanthrix:

NVIDIA is the only choice for video cards using linux in my opinion.

[20:17:40]

gardengnome:

it's still a crappy choice, imho :/

[20:18:11]

Tanthrix:

What makes you say that? My various NVIDIA cards have for the most part worked perfectly over the years in linux.

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atlanta800:

so if I am running two PVR-150s, how much CPU power do I really need? Say the most load I want to do at once is record one channel, watch another, and possibly have computers pulling off archived video over the network?

[20:19:56]

Tanthrix:

atlanta800: I got by just fine with 1 PVR-150 card and a 1.1 GHz athlon. With that I was able to easily watch and record at the same time.

[20:20:33]

atlanta800:

ok

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Tanthrix:

atlanta800: The PVR does all the encoding so all it needs to do is dump the output to the drive. Uses little to no CPU for that.

[20:21:05]

atlanta800:

just moving data from PCI to HDD right?

[20:21:10]

Tanthrix:

Aye.

[20:21:28]

Tanthrix:

I would suspect that a 1GHz system could handle two at a time with watching, but don't quote me on it.

[20:21:42]

atlanta800:

ok

[20:21:47]

Tanthrix:

Are you going to be buying hardware or do you already have a system in mind?

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atlanta800:

going to be buying it

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atlanta800:

but, I'm a college student so strapped on cash, but I want to make sure things are still smooth

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Tanthrix:

Well then, even on a budget you should be able to get something much better than 1GHz.

[20:23:23]

atlanta800:

yeah, I'm pricing it on NewEgg, their 2Ghz Athlon 64s are like $50

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Tanthrix:

You'll be fine for SD stuff. It's when you get into HD content that things start to get annoying.

[20:24:29]

Tanthrix:

If you're concerned about CPU usage though you can always compile myth with XvMC support and use an NVIDIA card to do the mpeg2 decoding on the GPU.

[20:25:21]

atlanta800:

hmm, I might look into that

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atlanta800:

what would the HD equivalent of the PVR-150 be out of curiosity?

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Tanthrix:

I'm afraid I don't know too much about HD tuner cards, other than that they are normally not worth the trouble since you can generally only get over the air HD stuff with them.

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juski:

atlanta800: there's not one

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atlanta800:

but I doubt I'll be willing to pay for HD cable until I graduate and get a job so it's probably a moot point..

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Tanthrix:

(Or a few unencrypted channels that your cable service may provide)

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juski:

there's no hardware encoding capture card for HDTV

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atlanta800:

juski: aww, that's what I needed to hear

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atlanta800:

yeah I might as well not even bother then

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Tanthrix:

There are HD cards though. They just don't need to encode, nor would you want them to.

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Tanthrix:

Since HD is digital they just give you a raw MPEG2 transport stream.

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Tanthrix:

It's only when you're watching SD stuff over the air or regular cable that you need encoding because the analog video has to be converted to digital video.

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atlanta800:

oh, that's right

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Tanthrix:

juski: Am I correct in assuming that the only semi-decent way to get HD content is to use firewire?

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Tanthrix:

(Since all the tuner cards are limited to over the air / unencrypted stuff)

[20:30:47]

Tanthrix:

Or does even that even only work with a few rare, unencrypted channels?

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sokminer:

i get non-encruptrd QAM-256 HD over cable

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sokminer:

non-enrypted*

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Tanthrix:

With what card, provider, and how many channels if I may ask?

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hads:

heh encrupted :)

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Tanthrix:

(I'm interested because I just got a new HD set)

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sokminer:

pchdtv, comcast (near boston MA) 7 or 8 channels ... the same as OTA

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Tanthrix:

Oh, so you basically have regular analog cable that includes the 7–8 local channels?

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sokminer:

PBS (3), NBC, FOX, CBS, ABC and a couple of local ones that have HD broadcasts

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sokminer:

Tanthrix: i get more using the cable box

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Tanthrix:

I have Comcast as well and get those, but I'm more interest in recording in HD if I get digital cable.

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Tanthrix:

It's those channels (Like Discovery HD Theater) that are the problem. So is there no way of getting them, period?

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sokminer:

Tanthrix: apparently not

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Tanthrix:

Too bad.

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sokminer:

yepo my sentiments exactly

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sokminer:

dedicated separate box

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Tanthrix:

So the only real way is something like cablecard or a cable box with firewire out, but none of that will ever happen due to copyright laws and such.

[20:38:36]

sokminer:

business model is rent cable boxes and collect money in perpetuity

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Tanthrix:

Maybe some clever person will figure out how to break the encryption some day, but I doubt we'll ever have any kind of uniform fix.

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sokminer:

given what little i've read... each cable co, possibly even regional, uses slightly different encryption... so you're right

[20:41:04]

sokminer:

no single solution

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Tanthrix:

And, it will probably be updatable at some point if it isn't already.

[20:41:38]

Tanthrix:

So they can change encryption keys or even the type of encryption on the fly.

[20:41:52]

sokminer:

sure or just change the encryption key and publish to all cable boxes

[20:43:22]

sokminer:

they could do it hourly if they wanted to

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Tanthrix:

Wait a second. If this is the case, where do all the HD movie rips come from?

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Tanthrix:

There must be some way, or I wouldn't be watching an HD copy of LOTR right now? ;-)

[20:46:23]

Tanthrix:

now.*

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killaz:

hi mythtv-users

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killaz:

I have one Q: I want to start using mythtv now, just as a movie player from my pc to my tv...

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Tanthrix:

Mythvideo will do that.

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killaz:

after this I will uy a TV card to stream form pc to TV

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sokminer:

Tanthrix: dunno... movies from dvds i guess,, tv shows ????

[20:48:39]

Tanthrix:

sokminer: No, This is 1080P. I've downloaded other movies as well, before HD-DVD/Blu-ray was even out.

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Tanthrix:

sokminer: Some NFO's I've read have said sources like DirectTV HD and such.

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sokminer:

Tanthrix: could be... i just started using mythtv and so don't have much experience in this realm yet

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juski:

mythtv is prolly not the best app if you just want a dumb media player

[20:51:36]

juski:

think geexbox, xmms...

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juski:

hell maybe even freevo!

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Tanthrix:

I used to use freevo for that.

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psofa:

it would be fine using it as a video browser and using mplayer to play myth's videos

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juski:

nah

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juski:

how many video players need mysql?

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psofa:

:|

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juski:

seriously – if a media player is all you want, you won't regret choosing something else

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psofa:

yeah freevo then :)

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juski:

mythtv is all about converging all your media – without the TV part it's WAY too much overhead

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psofa:

anyone knows how much time has a tooth before it completely fucks up once toothache starts?

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psofa:

:)

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psofa:

im scared of dentists

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psofa:

!

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gardengnome:

umm

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juski:

dunno, but stick round here – it often feels like having teeth pulled

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gardengnome:

well, if you procastinate, it'll only get worse

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gardengnome:

procrastinate*

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Tanthrix:

psofa: Go see one now. It sucks, but it will only get way, way worse if you wait.

[20:57:01]

psofa:

but it can just fall off and be done with it :P

[20:57:05]

psofa:

its in the back after all

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psofa:

:)

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Tanthrix:

Not sure how much extra it costs, but I imagine it would be 500–1000 and most likely not covered under insurance.

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gardengnome:

$500 for putting you out completely? that's a lot of money.

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psofa:

yeah id better pay someone to punch me :P

[21:00:34]

gardengnome:

lots of people will do that for free. ;)

[21:00:43]

psofa:

:P

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gardengnome:

yeah, smoke some crack and get punched in the face. that's cheaper :)

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sokminer:

tie one end of some strong string to the tooth.. the other end to the knob of an open door... slam the door

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Tanthrix:

My Athlon 2600+ does 1080P WMV-HD at 70–95 percent CPU usage. Almost good enough to watch.

[21:19:29]

Tanthrix:

So close yet so far and all that.

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smro1:

hi. does anyone here know if is a requirement to use Myth 0.20 with the newer ivtv drivers? i currently have 0.19, but can't get livetv to work. the last part i haven't upgraded is Myth TV

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banyan:

hey, my 350 has stopped tuning under ivtv 0.10.1 and mythtv 0.20...

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banyan:

just had to reload my machine due to a hard drive crash, and suddenly the channels aren't tuning correctly.

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smro1:

banyan, sounds similar to me (with myth 0.19) did the cat /dev/video0 > ~/fry.mpg line work for you?

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wolfspiri1:

what would cause the zap2it channels to pull the name of the channel and the number but no tv guide data?

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banyan:

So, is anyone else having an issue with their ivtv 0.10.1 not tuning correctly?

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banyan:

is it mythtv? is it that something gets overwritten by video4linux?

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ubuntuEdgy:

hi can any one help me mythfrontend has stoppen working , http://pastebin.ca/400745

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ubuntuEdgy:

what dose this mean "Ran out of GART memory!"

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banyan:

sorry, once my computer froze and once my x server crashed.

[22:02:14]

banyan:

so if anyone had words of wisdom about the ivtv-0.10.1 tuning problems I'm having, talk fast before some other weird stuff happens!

[22:02:17]

banyan:

lol

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wolfspiri1:

what problems are you having?

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banyan:

The tuner doesn't tune...

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wolfspiri1:

not on the tv.. on the computer.

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banyan:

It is, yes. Though channel 3 started out OK. I can't check it right now for a minute or so...

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sunnyhours4130:

anyone know a good tutorial for installing myth on ubuntu edgy using an avermedia m179 (pvr250 based) tuner card?

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smro1:

banyan, that is different then me. if i run the "cat" line i mentioned before, i get working output in a file

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banyan:

meaning cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg?

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smro1:

banyan, but my live tv via myth just freezes, and i get a bunch of "file invalid ...retrying lines"

[22:19:01]

smro1:

banyan, yes

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smro1:

banyan, for me that dumps channel 3 to a file that plays in mplayer, no problem, from all three of my tuners

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banyan:

It'd be nice for me to be able to check that, but mplayer crashes when I try to run it.

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smro1:

the reason i have been asking about 0.20 is that i noticed that there is a new use flag "ivtv" for the 0.20 versioin in portage (i am a gentoo user) and the ivtv wiki had something like "0.20 uses the new ivtv api"

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smro1:

banyan, can your mplayer play other files ok?

[22:22:37]

smro1:

banyan, or does it just crash period.

[22:22:55]

banyan:

mplayer: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.51: undefined symbol: faacDecOpen

[22:23:46]

banyan:

The number of faac and faad2 packages that different repos have with different contents kinda pisses me off. I obviously have something that doesn't work installed but I don't know where I should be getting the working one.

[22:24:18]

banyan:

freshmeat has one, extras has one, atrpms has one... and some of them don't provide everything you need...

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smro1:

banyan, hmmm..i've seen "undefined symbol" before. i thought it had somethign to do with a module or library from an older kernel being present

[22:25:06]

smro1:

banyan, what distro are you using?

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banyan:

fc6.

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banyan:

with 2.6.20–1.2925

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smro1:

banyan, unfortunately i am not very familiar with fc6. but your hunch that you have incompatible libraries is probably right

[22:33:08]

banyan:

Yeah, so I may need to muck around with my yum.repos.d file to only allow the correct repo to give me faac or faad2 or whatever is actually the problem.

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wolfspiri1:

actually I think I had that problem when I was on FC6

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wolfspiri1:

I removed them all and installed them again but in the livna repo there is a line that you have to insert to tell it to ignore that pacakge

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banyan:

so you tell it to not get one package from livna?

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smro1:

banyan, i think i am going to back up the database, and take the plunge to 0.20 and see what happens...

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banyan:

wolf, what are you running now?

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wolfspirit:

fedora extras

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Dave123:

how do you shut off commercial flagging?

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banyan:

It's in the mythtvsetup I think...

[22:37:23]

banyan:

wolf, fedora extras? I'm not sure I follow. That amounts to a different distro?

[22:37:48]

banyan:

I thought it was just a separate repo for fc.

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wolfspirit:

hey has anyone had an issue where the mythtvfilldatabase hangs with "Your subscription expires on 6/18/2007"

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wolfspirit:

banyan: didn't you say you were on FC6?

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banyan:

I am.

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wolfspirit:

that's the one I used when I was on fedora

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banyan:

and now what are you on?

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wolfspirit:

has anyone had issues with the mythtvfilldatabase script hanging?

[22:40:31]

wolfspirit:

I switched to ubuntu

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banyan:

how you like?

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sunnyhours4130:

never had an issue.... when was the last time you ran it wolfspirit ?

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wolfspirit:

I think apt-get is tons faster than yum

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wolfspirit:

just now actually.. I just set up myth this weekend

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sunnyhours4130:

oh, first time to run it?

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banyan:

are they that similar that this is the main comment you have?

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wolfspirit:

I'm having the issue where it updated the channels but not the actual program data

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wolfspirit:

banyan: huh?

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sunnyhours4130:

ok

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sunnyhours4130:

did you check the obvious? correct password, expired account?

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wolfspirit:

plus I need some serious help in getting the ir blaster to work with dish network..

[22:43:11]

wolfspirit:

sunnyhours4130: yup

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banyan:

I mean ubuntu vs fc6, apt vs yum speed is really the main thing you've noticed? how long you used ubuntu?

[22:43:40]

wolfspirit:

sunnyhours4130: it downloads stuff and gets through but seems to hang on "Your subscription expires on 06/18/2007"

[22:43:54]

sunnyhours4130:

wolfspirit: ick...... i hate the lirc stuff. i only got the receiver working once and that was on a system i had to reformat and start over with

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sunnyhours4130:

you try running it again?

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wolfspirit:

sunnyhours4130: yeah

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wolfspirit:

sunnyhours4130: yeah this lirc/ir blaster stuff is pain in the azz

[22:44:28]

sunnyhours4130:

it definitely hangs? i've had it take a long time to complete

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smro1:

i tired ubuntu as an experiment on an old laptop to put in front of my treadmill and it works great

[22:44:44]

sunnyhours4130:

so you need to use yours to change the channels on a satellite receiver?

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smro1:

mythfrontend only

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sunnyhours4130:

heh thats cool smro1

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wolfspirit:

sunnyhours4130: actually looks like my locking up issue is just a matter of patience on my part lol

[22:45:15]

sunnyhours4130:

lol

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sunnyhours4130:

yeah, its pulling a lot of data that first time

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smro1:

for ubuntu, i had to follow the guide exactly to get the right repos though. the first time i didn't and i had to just reinstall

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wolfspirit:

but I still can't get the damn ir blaster to work.. I tried that change channel script and it said that this device is not set up for sending signals

[22:47:00]

sunnyhours4130:

ick. i've never done the transmit part. good luck on that dude =P

[22:47:07]

smro1:

happily, reinstalling was 25 min. vs. the 12 hours that a gentoo install can take :)

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sunnyhours4130:

smro1: what distro did you put it on?

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sunnyhours4130:

oh ubuntu nevermind

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wolfspirit:

sunnyhours4130: if you've never done the transmit part then how is yours set up?

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wolfspirit:

sunnyhours4130: do you have analog cable?

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clever[rev]:

one of my lirc problems

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clever[rev]:

it claimed the device was receive only

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sunnyhours4130:

yessir

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clever[rev]:

i had to tell it the device could transmit when i did ./configure

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wolfspirit:

clever[rev]: ahhh

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clever[rev]:

and then it wasnt on the right ioport or irq

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wolfspirit:

clever[rev]: so I have to recompile the modules

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clever[rev]:

the script that was within my ubuntu was crappy for autobuilding the modules

[22:50:17]

clever[rev]:

so i built them from source to begin with

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clever[rev]:

finding the exact cmd i used

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wolfspirit:

yeah I did too.. followed some instructions

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wolfspirit:

but didn't do the send part

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clever[rev]:

$ ./configure --with-transmitter --with-driver=serial --with-port=0x3f8 --with-irq=4

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wolfspirit:

so does the blaster have to be pointing at the dish network receiver I assume?

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clever[rev]:

probly:P

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clever[rev]:

my plan was to aim it at both my digitaltuner AND the tv

[22:52:08]

clever[rev]:

so the computer can turn its tv on/off

[22:52:25]

clever[rev]:

but ive yet to find the ir codes for my tv

[22:52:57]

clever[rev]:

once i get a receiver made

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clever[rev]:

i can program it so the power button on the remote

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clever[rev]:

causes the pc to send a power signal to the tv

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wolfspirit:

clever[rev]: so once you have that set up.. you can select channels in the mythtv guide and it will change the channel

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wolfspirit:

?

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clever[rev]:

i also had to set the channel changer script in the mythtv-setup

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clever[rev]:

it was called change-channel-lirc.sh

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clever[rev]:

i stuck it into /home/mythtv/bin/ and gave the full path in the setup as the channel changer script

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wolfspirit:

was there a specific guide that you followed?

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clever[rev]:

i just read several guides and hacked it up

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wolfspirit:

interesting.. glad I have logging turned on for gaim heh heh

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clever[rev]:

when i was starting i made my own crude channel changer script

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clever[rev]:

which simply logged the change to a txt file

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clever[rev]:

then i manualy changed the box to match

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wolfspirit:

thank you.. I will try that that (may have to wait because the wife can't watch tv when I'm messing around with it)

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clever[rev]:

my dad refuses to even try to use the mythtv setup i made:P

[22:56:16]

clever[rev]:

claims simpler is better

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clever[rev]:

and that recording to watch later is useless because we never have time to watch it later

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wolfspirit:

heh

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clever[rev]:

atm im about 600km from my backend box

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clever[rev]:

and the upload pipe there is 50kb/sec

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clever[rev]:

streaming the videos takes 300kb/sec

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clever[rev]:

but im able to tune the hotel tv to match and just manualy delete the shows as i watch them

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wolfspirit:

will this mythtvfilldatabase continue to run until I kill it? lol it seems to be getting stuff one day at a time and it's already up to march 27th

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gardengnome:

mythfilldatabase --max-days 1 AFAIK ;)

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gardengnome:

not sure it'll work for zap2it

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clever[rev]:

im my area it tends to get the next 13 days

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wolfspirit:

ahh

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clever[rev]:

i just wait it out

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dustybin:

Not often but every now and again mythtv stops live tv and says 'Error was encountered whil displaying video.' Anyone else had this?

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clever[rev]:

if i installed a input card on my laptop and it had access to the master backend thru the web/vpn

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clever[rev]:

and i edited the setup to match the hotel

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clever[rev]:

could i use it like a kind of roaming backend?

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dustybin:

wh00ps: The "Error was encountered while displaying video" message is

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dustybin:

a catch all for a large number of different types of error

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dustybin:

conditions.

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clever[rev]:

id have to change the guide listsings alot and the lirc codes but if i had hdd space i think it might be posible

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burnedup:

I'm trying to import a dvd, and after a couple minutes of importing (and the file growing to ~800MB on disk), the import suddenly stops and the file is erased. Can somebody help me figure out what's going on?

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jolger_busy:

lets take it here then

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kinection:

does anybody here have experience with the HD5500 tuner from pcHDTV?

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dustybin:

burnedup: try cleaning the disk!

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jolger_busy:

gardengnome -> i just need to know how i set up the "mythtv xml" thingy with xmltv

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sunnyhours4130:

crud...... i'm having a problem setting my password for the mysql user. anyone have any suggestions?

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burnedup:

dustybin: Do you mean there isn't enough room? The disk has 11GB free and the dvd is only 1h:38m.

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kinection:

sunnyhours4130: what is the problem?

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sunnyhours4130:

i'm following the guide for installing on ubuntu and get to the step where i have to set the password for mysql and i have no idea how

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dustybin:

"Labour have ripped the heart out of the NHS and replaced it with a computer."

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sunnyhours4130:

this guide: http://www.djlosch.com/article_How-to:_Ubuntu . . . auge_PVR-150

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burnedup:

dustybin: oh! The surface looks perfect to me. Are there some dvds that are known not to rip correctly?

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kinection:

sunnyhours4130: try this, as root. type 'mysql' and see if you can get into the db

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dustybin:

im not sure but if it suddenly stops like that sounds like there could be some kind of defect, do other dvds rip ok?

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sunnyhours4130:

k

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burnedup:

dustybin: they have in the past....

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sunnyhours4130:

okay i'm at a mysql> prompt

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kinection:

sunnyhours4130: it seems like, your guide wants you to use phpmyadmin

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dustybin:

burnedup: if its just this dvd what doesnt rip then surely its a defect on the disk? try giving it a clean again

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sunnyhours4130:

ya

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kinection:

sunnyhours4130: if you can get into the mysql database like that there is no password set for it currently. you can set a password for the root user by using mysqladmin

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burnedup:

dustybin: I did look in /var/log/messages and there are complaints reading certain sectors on the disk. Do some manufactures put purposeful defects on the disks to keep them from getting ripped?

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kinection:

sunnyhours4130: mysqladmin -u root password [yourpassword]

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dustybin:

burnedup: ive never heard of that before?!

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jolger_busy:

god... i always get this error: config file /home/mythtv/.mythtv/tv_grab_dk.xmltv does not exist, run me with --configure when trying to run /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend

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sunnyhours4130:

hmm

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jolger_busy:

anyone got any idea as to what i should do?

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sunnyhours4130:

so when i use that web gui for it, what username would I use? root?

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burnedup:

dustybin: okay. I'll try a few things. Thanks for your time.

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smro1:

burnedup, i've had problems before too. my brothers Lost in Translation does something like that too.

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dustybin:

np

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kinection:

sunnyhours4130: by web gui, you mean phpmyadmin?

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sunnyhours4130:

yeah

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burnedup:

smro1: ever find a workaround?

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kinection:

sunnyhours4130: well yea, you can either use root or create a new user for it

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sunnyhours4130:

okay

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burnedup:

smro1: The import seems to be going fine, the it just suddenly stops!

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jolger_busy:

sorry to just jump in like this... but i really need help right now XD

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smro1:

burnedup, and it is perfectly defect free.

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kinection:

sunnyhours4130: you may need to do a little configuration and such to get phpmyadmin setup though. i haven't used that in awhile but there is a config file that you need to play with.

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smro1:

burnedup, have you tried theother options for mytdvd import perfect, excellent, etc.?

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sunnyhours4130:

okay cool. i think i'm good for now =) that got me in

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sunnyhours4130:

thanks kinection

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gardengnome:

jolger_busy: don't use mythfilldatabase. scan for channels and enter the xmltv id later manually

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burnedup:

smro1: yeah, the dvd plays fine in the same drive. I've tried perfect, which fails right away, and ISO which fails after about 2 minutes.

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gardengnome:

jolger_busy: or use DVB-EIt

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kinection:

sunnyhours4130: np

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jolger_busy:

oookay...

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smro1:

burnedup, and it will play the whole way through on your system?

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jolger_busy:

so what do i do now?

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burnedup:

smro1: Is there a way to rip it in real time... like while youare watching it?

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burnedup:

smro1: yes, I just watched it. It played file the whole time. Is there a way of making my drive less sensitive to errors?

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jolger_busy:

i set up mythtv... the only thing i havent done yet (because of the error) was the /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend

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smro1:

i wonder...you mean grab the decoded video and pipe it to an encoder?

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Zazza:

who can answer a mysql/mythtv question?

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jolger_busy:

when i try to run sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart i get the error: Session management error: Could not open network socket

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gardengnome:

jolger_busy: you read the manual first ;)

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gardengnome:

jolger_busy: that error is normal, no worries

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jolger_busy:

thats the next step in the guide XD

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jolger_busy:

ah okay...

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burnedup:

smro1: It makes sense that if I can play it, I should be able to rip it...

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kinection:

Zazza: what's the problem?

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jolger_busy:

but the backend doesnt start?

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smro1:

burnedup, i'm not sure to be honest. i know there were settings you can play with when ripping CDs to compensate for errors with cdparanoia. i don't know if there is an equivalent in the dvd reader

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smro1:

burnedup, i think so too. well, i just tried the flick in my laptop and it seems to play. when my myth upgrade is done, i'll try the import and see what happens

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burnedup:

Does anyone know a way to make your dvd drive less sensitive to read errors when ripping? I think there are some purposeful bad sectors on a disc, and just want to skip them.

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perlmonkey:

hi

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jolger_busy:

well... i need to go to sleep now...

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jolger_busy:

cya guys later...

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perlmonkey:

is the Hauppauge WinTV PVR 150 MCE suitable for Mythtv under Linux?

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sunnyhours4130:

crap. anyone know a good place to get the ivtv driver from? shspvr.com doesn't seem to be working. its not listening for ftp right now

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kinection:

perlmonkey: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_PVR-150

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perlmonkey:

kinection: thanks

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kinection:

np

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dustybin:

http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Main_Page

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sunnyhours4130:

that's weird. their server was down for a little bit. back up now

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naegling23:

i am having a problem with horrible audio while watching tv, can anyone help me out

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eelriver:

Stop watching MTV

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dustybin:

turn off britney !

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gardengnome:

or that horrible noise they call "rap music" these days

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naegling23:

the sound has a high pitched squeeling, it hurts my ears

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naegling23:

ive been using the onboard audio, could it be a soundcard issue? Although, any other audio with myth works fine, its just "live tv"

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naegling23:

ok, i turned off mtv...comedy central still has the same problem :-)

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naegling23:

if I use adsp, I get no sound output, is there any package that needs to be installed for that?

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clever[rev]:

how would i go about transcoding a tvshow to fit over 50kb/sec?

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kinection:

anybody here have experience with the pcHDTV HD-5500 tuner? especially how to get working with DVB?

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Cardoe:

kinection: load the module... it just works

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kinection:

Cardoe: the module in the kernel?

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kinection:

Cardoe: i'm using an .19 kernel

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Cardoe:

yes

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Cardoe:

cx88

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kinection:

Cardoe: i had it working with 'tvtime' but i wasn't sure how to get it to work in mythtv, i'm going to give it another shot and i'm compiling mythtv

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Cardoe:

kinection: what distro?

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kinection:

Cardoe: gentoo

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Cardoe:

USE=dvb

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kinection:

yea, i had that

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Cardoe:

kinection: so pick DVB from the capture cards

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kinection:

i'm getting there :). rebooting system to take new kernel

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kinection:

oh, i twas using v4l i think, maybe that's the problem

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Cardoe:

using 0.20_p12963 ?

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kinection:

mythtv?

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kinection:

i just got the svn version

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kinection:

:qa

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kinection:

oops

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clever[rev]:

im also on the svn trunk:)

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Cardoe:

IRC stealing your vi commands?

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kinection:

well, i'm playing with two computers and used the wrong keyboard :/

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kinection:

lol

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clever[rev]:

:qA? whats the a?

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kinection:

quit all

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clever[rev]:

ahhh

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clever[rev]:

i often use :wq

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clever[rev]:

havent looked at opening mulltiple files

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Cardoe:

well :w writes

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Cardoe:

:q quits

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clever[rev]:

and i was talking to a guy a while ago that had 80 xterms open

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clever[rev]:

each with a vi in it

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gardengnome:

i often smash my head against my keyboard to get out of vi ,)

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kinection:

lol

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clever[rev]:

lol

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gardengnome:

no, seriously: "E492: Not an editor command: Wq" ;)

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clever[rev]:

w not W

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gardengnome:

no kidding.

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kinection:

you could also use ZZ without the :

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gardengnome:

hmm, thanks. i'll have to remember that one

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clever[rev]:

i think vi and gedit where the first editors i used on linux

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clever[rev]:

gedit was painfully slow on the 133mhz/64mbram so i stuck to using vi

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clever[rev]:

still use vi in xterm on even the faster computers

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