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sigger_:

anyone around that uses mythmusic?

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sigger_:

mine's doesn't appear to be loading the mp3 tags. Ignore mp3 tags is unselected.

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Sarmalidu:

is there anybody around that's good with knoppmyth? I have everything working but one small and one big issue

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Sarmalidu:

I have no idea how to change it

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Sarmalidu:

The guides I have read seem to have different config files / settings listed than what I see in my XF86Config.in file

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Sarmalidu:

I am using a Radeon 8500 graphics card with whatever Knoppmyth preinstalled

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Sarmalidu:

TV out is S-Video

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Beirdo:

that was a longer outage than planned. moving 9G from Dallas to Atlanta takes a while :)

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Sarmalidu:

If I connect a monitor up via VGA everything is gravy – sadly I have an old 50" projection TV so no VGA/DVI goodness

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Sarmalidu:

is there a simple way for me to force 800x600 @ 60 Hz on the TV-out?

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Sarmalidu:

do I need to use special ATi drivers? any ideas?

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sigger_:

Sarmalidu, don't think you want to hear it but I believe your answer is in XF86Config

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Sarmalidu:

ok that's fine

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Sarmalidu:

I had some docs on it

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sigger_:

There is something toward the end of the file that determines the default resolution

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Sarmalidu:

but my confusion is the file I have doesn't have the same options as the guides I read

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Sarmalidu:

and it only lists "monitor0" device

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Sarmalidu:

I don't know what to put for the TV

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Sarmalidu:

I assume "monitor0" is the VGA out port?

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** sigger_ looks at his knoppmyth xf86config file **

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Sarmalidu:

one thing that seemed odd is the guides said I should have a XF86Config-4 file when I have XF86Config.in

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Sarmalidu:

is that the same thing?

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Sarmalidu:

sorry but I have never dealt with debian before- only the easy distros like knoppix, fedora, and some ubuntu

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monkeyBox:

Great. my mythtv box is hard-crashing during some recordings and I have no idea why.

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Smirnov:

has there been anything about playing bluray/hddvd over mythtv?

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monkeyBox:

boo... lost is on now, too :(

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sigger_:

ah, ok you select the DefaultColorDepth in the Screen section. the resolutions are tried from left to right

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** monkeyBox crys, but remembers there's always bittorrent **

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sigger_:

Sarmalidu, ya mine is XF86Config-4

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Sarmalidu:

>.<

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Sarmalidu:

you used knoppmyth?

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monkeyBox:

Smirnov: why would I buy it when I already pay for cable?

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monkeyBox:

that's a different subject anyways...

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sigger_:

dunno if its the same. and my Screen0 has Monitor0 and thats all

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sigger_:

Sarmalidu, I do

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Smirnov:

monkeyBox: umm.. then just record it

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Sarmalidu:

WTF

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monkeyBox:

Smirnov: umm read above.. my box crashed while recording..

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monkeyBox:

*sigh* never mind

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Smirnov:

sorry to hear that..

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Sarmalidu:

that's messed up too because I did the whole install on a TV without a monitor hooked up

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Sarmalidu:

I had to switch to a monitor when the screen went garbled during setup

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Sarmalidu:

maybe I will see if I can source a Nvidia card

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Sarmalidu:

see if it works better

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Sarmalidu:

because I don't know what I am doing :(

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sigger_:

Sarmalidu, yea it definitely takes some playing with.

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sigger_:

Sarmalidu, here's a couple of lines from my Device section...

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sigger_:

http://pastebin.ca/395520. not much I can think of beyond that

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Sarmalidu:

thank you

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Sarmalidu:

which "section" is that from?

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Fooker:

Evening

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Sarmalidu:

screen?

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cheeseboy:

if frontend isnt running does stuff still get recorded?

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kormoc:

cheeseboy, yes

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cheeseboy:

ok thats all i wanted to know thnx

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Sarmalidu:

ok here's an easier question hopefully

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Sarmalidu:

I got my channel grabber working

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Sarmalidu:

BUT – if I use the channels from the grabber the show info is 2 channels off

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Sarmalidu:

If I manually scan channels everything is fine, but then I don't have a channel name

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Honk:

arg, this is kinda annoying

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Sarmalidu:

is there an easy way to fix this or do I need to just go put all the channel names in by hand?

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sigger_:

Sarmalidu, that's from my Device section. the other I can't help you with. I don't do tv stuff with myth

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Honk:

i'm back to ~10fps again after about 2 hours of watching

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Sarmalidu:

oh ok thanks again

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Honk:

works fine all the time, and all of the sudden the fps drop waaay down

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Sarmalidu:

maybe it starts deleting files

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Sarmalidu:

and that's too much while doing the other at the same time?

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Honk:

cpu usage is at about 20%

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Honk:

it's gotta be the backend, watching on another system works just fine

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Honk:

(oh, and only livetv is affected :P)

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Honk:

uhh.. note to self: dont use experimental options (use video as timebase)

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reaspired:

why is it when I close down mythfrontend that I still hear audio, ubuntu.. I have old bt with line in

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reaspired:

I have line in set as record

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Agrajag-:

mute it

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reaspired:

says mute in gnome-alsa

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Sarmalidu:

Is Knoppmyth's support for TV-out significantly between ATi / Nvidia "out-of-the-box" ?

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Sarmalidu:

*significantly different

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reaspired:

Agrajag-, I muted it, still hear it.

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reaspired:

Agrajag-, not running frontend so.. I shouldn't hear it, and in alsa-mixer its muted

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reaspired:

well I might have got it, ac97 whatever that is for

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reaspired:

ok I have a problem that in mythweb I see recordings I made, but in frontend. it doesnt show up as I recorded these. I can see something I recorded in frontend however. and I see only one in all recordings. any clue

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ByteChanger:

hi everyone

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Dr_willis:

Howdy

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banyan:

Hey, I'm trying to reinstall myth, have everything installed but mythtvsetup crashes and takes kde with it when QT is mentioned.

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Dr_willis:

odd. what disrto?

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banyan:

fc6.

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banyan:

maybe there's a way to tell it not to use the qt.

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kormoc:

banyan, myth is a QT application, that would be rather hard to remove

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banyan:

so any ideas why my kde would crash?

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banyan:

maybe I should try gnome...

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banyan:

I'm using the nvidia legacy driver.

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Dr_willis:

try a very light weight window manager like fluxbox perhaps.

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banyan:

it worked before my hard drive crash...

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sigger_:

last shot before bedtime: anyone use mythmusic with tags? mines not reading the tags (ignore tags is unselected).

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adnick56:

Could anyone tell me why on the mythweb recorded programs page the delete and delete & rerecord buttons would not show up... as far as ive found so far its not a permissions problem it seems to be a php problem

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reaspired:

I thought you could run nuv on mplayer

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Sarmalidu:

well I reinstalled knoppmyth with an old Geforce II mx and it's all working now :)

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Sarmalidu:

the only thing is the left edge of the tv picture has a blue tint... can I crop just a couple pixels on the left off somehow?

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Dr_willis:

ive seen that issue also.

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Dr_willis:

the left and top sides?

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Dr_willis:

Thers a command that changes them to black.. but i forget the command.. and i never could figure out where to make the system do it automaticially

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Sarmalidu:

yes

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Sarmalidu:

that's correct – the left side and top

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Sarmalidu:

is it from a bit of the theme background sticking out around the picture frame?

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Dr_willis:

i forget whats csusing it.. i saw discussion of it on the knoppmyth forums once. where i learned that command from.

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Dr_willis:

but since ive reinstalled my mythtv box.. i dont have the command any more jotted down

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Sarmalidu:

ok well off the top of your head do you know the command to reselect your remote type?

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Dr_willis:

Tested out MythDora over the weekend..

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Dr_willis:

remote.. Hmm..

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Dr_willis:

theres a set of scripts in /usr/bin or was it /usr/local/bin ?

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Dr_willis:

update the locate database and search for 'remote' perhaps?

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Dr_willis:

my mythtv box isent even turned on at the moment.

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Sarmalidu:

will try that thank you

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media:

Did something happen to movie data retrieval? I get posters and the movie year but that's it now.

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hads:

Yeah, IMDB got redesigned, that probably broke the script.

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hads:

Try getting the imdb.pl or imdbpy.py script from SVN

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mishehu:

hmm... anybody know why recording off of the firewire would cause an undue amount of interrupts?

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alsoconfused:

mishehu: are you sure the interrupts from the firewire controller?

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xris:

quiet tonight

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clever_:

mishehu: watch -d cat /proc/interrupts

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clever_:

that shows the how many times each int has been triggered

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clever_:

and updates the numbers every 2 seconds

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clever_:

that will answer alsoconfused's question and show where they are realy comming from if it isnt firewire

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Sarmalidu:

how can I increase font size in a terminal window?

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Sarmalidu:

I can't read it on the TV

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xris:

Sarmalidu: depends on the terminal app you're using....

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infinity1:

what are the better hd tuners for mythtv?

[07:29:13]

banyan:

quick question — new setup with a hauppauge 250... 2.6.19 and ivtv 10.1, and my channels aren't being changed correctly.

[07:29:56]

banyan:

how to fix it? recordings of snow aren't very entertaining.

[07:30:44]

infinity1:

anyone using the hd homerun?

[07:31:47]

Sarmalidu:

xterm, bash, whatever

[07:31:56]

Sarmalidu:

I just need one that I can see :)

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NefariousPrior:

Try as I might, I cannot find any info on whether or not an ATI TV Wonder Elite/Theatre 550 Pro will work with Myth

[07:34:35]

NefariousPrior:

Tv or not.

[07:34:59]

banyan:

I think I need to tell myth to use the v4l2-ctl not ivtvctl but I can't make out where to do that.

[07:36:01]

infinity1:

banyan: i have a 250. i didn't have problems setting it up so i dunno

[07:36:19]

banyan:

what kernel you running / distro?

[07:37:04]

infinity1:

ubuntu 2.6.17

[07:37:26]

infinity1:

i haven't touched the drivers since i set it up

[07:37:56]

infinity1:

though the screen noticably more fuzzy when wathcing through the computer

[07:37:56]

banyan:

I'm 2.6.19 so this might be a more recent issue.

[07:38:10]

knowledgejunkie:

NefariousPrior: Theatre 550 won't AFAIK

[07:38:10]

infinity1:

yea. maybe.

[07:38:25]

infinity1:

i'm looking to upgrade to HD now

[07:38:39]

ByteChanger:

anyone using a Nvidia FX5200 w/ Mythtv? I'm trying to improve the tv out. Any suggestions? Closed Captions don't look too good, hard to read...

[07:38:42]

infinity1:

looking for a good HD tuner. seems like people are having probelms with HD homerun setups

[07:38:47]

NefariousPrior:

knowledgejunkie: It's supposed to be one of the best, yet I've been waiting FOREVER for support under anything linux related. 8-(

[07:39:00]

knowledgejunkie:

NefariousPrior: it's from ATI...

[07:39:31]

banyan:

yep — check the hcl before buying.

[07:40:00]

knowledgejunkie:

NefariousPrior: TV Wonder Elite is a no too :(

[07:40:12]

knowledgejunkie:

NefariousPrior: see http://linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Main_Page

[07:40:15]

NefariousPrior:

knowledgejunkie: aye. Great hardware, crappy or non-existant software.

[07:40:30]

infinity1:

whats whith the hd homerun. i've heard good and bad things

[07:40:57]

knowledgejunkie:

NefariousPrior: it still my old Radeon 9xxx series card with the OSS radeon driver in my non-nvidia machines

[07:44:21]

Sarmalidu:

I have an old and mediocre software encoding card that you have to send audio out from and into the line in on your sound card – is there a way to do this automatically? it's lame having to do it each time I reboot by opening the sound mixer

[07:44:59]

Sarmalidu:

I want my line-in to always be set at the lowest notch (but on)

[07:46:07]

knowledgejunkie:

Sarmalidu: Use ALS's [s]set command in a script

[07:46:22]

knowledgejunkie:

ALSA's

[07:47:11]

Sarmalidu:

sorry to prod for more but can you give me an example command?

[07:49:27]

Sarmalidu:

is it just [s]set <value> ?

[07:49:56]

knowledgejunkie:

Sarmalidu: no

[07:51:06]

Sarmalidu:

Yea I am not that awesome in linux...

[07:51:06]

knowledgejunkie:

Sarmalidu: just checking my bash history to see if I have an ex there

[07:51:12]

Sarmalidu:

thanks

[07:52:32]

Sarmalidu:

I am just stoked because I got everything working with my POS tuner finally :) the sound issue is all that's left

[07:55:31]

Sarmalidu:

does knoppmyth support samba shares?

[07:55:45]

knowledgejunkie:

Sarmalidu: you are going to use 'amixer -[s]set control parameter' – you first need to identify the name of your line-in control

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Sarmalidu:

ok

[07:56:46]

Sarmalidu:

I think it's just "line-in"

[07:57:00]

Sarmalidu:

that's what's in the mixer anyways

[07:57:05]

knowledgejunkie:

Sarmalidu: amixer scontrols |grep "[Ll]ine"

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Sarmalidu:

lemme try it

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knowledgejunkie:

Sarmalidu: mine is just called 'Line'

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knowledgejunkie:

Sarmalidu: any dice?

[08:05:42]

Sarmalidu:

mine is just "Line" also

[08:06:25]

JosX:

I am stoked making my first MythTV in a couple of weeks

[08:06:26]

Sarmalidu:

I typed this in without the <>: <amixer scontrols |grep "[L1]ine">

[08:06:40]

Sarmalidu:

it gave a message back but didn't seem to do anything

[08:07:12]

knowledgejunkie:

Sarmalidu: that should be a lowercase L for 'line, not a 1

[08:07:13]

Sarmalidu:

"Simple mixer control Line,0"

[08:07:49]

Sarmalidu:

so I had it right except for 1 = l?

[08:08:21]

knowledgejunkie:

Sarmalidu: ok, so try 'amixer sset Line 10% unmute cap' and see what happens – you can use either amixer output or run alsamixer to see the changes to you mixer settings

[08:09:34]

knowledgejunkie:

Sarmalidu: that should turn on your Line-in for capture, unmute it, and set it to 10% volume

[08:11:02]

knowledgejunkie:

Sarmalidu: try 'amixer sset Line capture 10% unmute cap' too – not sure if by default it affects both playback and capture volumes

[08:12:11]

Sarmalidu:

for some reason the mixer doesn't show it change the value

[08:12:15]

Sarmalidu:

but it definitely works

[08:12:20]

Sarmalidu:

so that's good enough for me :)

[08:13:31]

Sarmalidu:

both your commands were the same

[08:13:42]

Sarmalidu:

oh you added capture

[08:14:13]

knowledgejunkie:

Sarmalidu: :)

[08:14:28]

Sarmalidu:

alright well it seems to work :)

[08:15:04]

Sarmalidu:

so how can I make it auto run that command on boot? just put that in a .sh file someplace/

[08:15:33]

knowledgejunkie:

Sarmalidu: if you put this command in a script, you'll want to put the full path to amixer. use 'which amixer' to find this out.

[08:16:22]

knowledgejunkie:

Sarmalidu: easiest way is to add the line to /etc/rc.d/rc.local

[08:16:28]

Sarmalidu:

. /usr/bin/amixer

[08:17:14]

knowledgejunkie:

Sarmalidu: OK, so add '/usr/bin/amixer sset Line capture 10% unmute cap' to rc.local

[08:17:17]

Sarmalidu:

any reason I can't add both commands just to make sure all functions are on?

[08:18:01]

Sarmalidu:

or will one override the otheR?

[08:18:09]

knowledgejunkie:

Sarmalidu: not really – but you should only need to change the capture volume unless you listen directly to the line-in

[08:18:32]

knowledgejunkie:

Sarmalidu: hang on – you prob want to mute the linein so you don't hear it – you just want to capture from it :)

[08:18:58]

knowledgejunkie:

Sarmalidu: Instead, add '/usr/bin/amixer sset Line capture 10% mute cap' to rc.local

[08:19:10]

Sarmalidu:

here is my setup:

[08:19:29]

Sarmalidu:

audio out on tv tuner -> line in on soundcard

[08:19:29]

knowledgejunkie:

Sarmalidu: mythtv will use your master or PCM playback controls, not line-in

[08:19:40]

Sarmalidu:

line out on soundcard -> stereo receiver

[08:20:47]

Sarmalidu:

anyways thanks I can just mess around now until I figure out what makes it work best

[08:20:49]

knowledgejunkie:

Sarmalidu: OK- thanks fairly standard setup – for TV recording purposes, we only need to change the capture volume

[08:21:23]

Sarmalidu:

now if I could just figure out why sometimes mythTV doesn't fill the whole screen...

[08:21:23]

knowledgejunkie:

Sarmalidu: you can control output volume either via mythtv or via your receiver

[08:21:28]

Sarmalidu:

ok

[08:22:05]

knowledgejunkie:

Sarmalidu: no DisplaySize setting in xorg.conf? Details on the wiki

[08:22:27]

Sarmalidu:

can I edit xorg.conf in a text editor and just put in the size I want?

[08:22:49]

knowledgejunkie:

Sarmalidu: read the wiki first

[08:22:54]

Sarmalidu:

okee

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Sarmalidu:

thanks for all the help :) worse comes to worse a reinstall really doesn't take long

[08:23:56]

knowledgejunkie:

Sarmalidu: and 'man xorg.conf' – good luck :)

[08:24:14]

JosX:

question, is anyone using myth tv with a starchoice?

[08:25:51]

Sarmalidu:

one last quickie :) can you do samba shares with knoppmyth? I want to use the mythtv box as a media file server for my windoze pcs as well

[08:26:44]

knowledgejunkie:

Sarmalidu: nope

[08:27:20]

knowledgejunkie:

Sarmalidu: sorry, yes you can, but I don't :)

[08:27:43]

Sarmalidu:

do you need addon packages, is it just a pain, or what?

[08:28:21]

knowledgejunkie:

Sarmalidu: you need to samba packages installed and then need to configure it

[08:28:36]

Sarmalidu:

ok I can look that up later

[08:28:44]

Sarmalidu:

I did it before on fedora

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knowledgejunkie:

Sarmalidu: I don't use knoppmyth so I don't know how it comes configured

[08:29:06]

Sarmalidu:

As far as I can tell knoppmyth seems pretty barebones

[08:29:26]

Sarmalidu:

worth it for the easy setup though in my case

[08:32:31]

Sarmalidu:

it says my geforce mx uses a proprietary driver and not xorg?

[08:33:44]

Sarmalidu:

oh ok I think I can get it

[08:33:52]

Sarmalidu:

thanks for all the help :)

[08:37:47]

knowledgejunkie:

Sarmalidu: no problem

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onewheelskyward:

Mmm...Futurama.

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Honk:

is there any known issue that'd cause the lower part of mythweb to stay white? =)

[11:18:29]

Honk:

(on firefox)

[11:53:58]

kslater:

sambiase – where in the world are you?

[11:54:08]

sambiase:

sweden

[11:54:52]

sambiase:

in running suse 10.2

[11:55:02]

kslater:

hopefully there is someone on who's familiar with that the particulars for sweden

[11:55:15]

kslater:

your card uses the ivtv drivers?

[11:55:52]

sambiase:

well...i installed everything...all packages...i have a USB DVB-T ,,,it works with caffeine

[11:56:18]

sambiase:

when i click on Input connections...Video Source is set to NONE

[11:56:23]

sambiase:

and I cant change it

[11:56:50]

kslater:

iirc video source is your channel lineup or listings

[11:56:59]

kslater:

you'd need to know what channels first

[11:57:10]

kslater:

do you have the dvb-tools package?

[11:57:54]

sambiase:

will check it now

[11:58:06]

kslater:

btw, I'm really not the right guy to help with this as I have so little knowledge of TV in your part of the world

[11:58:22]

sambiase:

where do u live?

[11:58:27]

kslater:

US

[11:59:22]

sambiase:

well...i should be at least able to scan for channels using mythtv...but the thing is that Video Source is set to NONE even if the program detected my card

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kslater:

hmm

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praet:

sambiase: http://tv.swedb.se/

[12:00:22]

kslater:

dvb-tools should have either dvbscan or scandvb

[12:01:02]

sambiase:

just checked in Yast...i dont have dvb-tools

[12:01:08]

kslater:

you use that with a set of center channel frequencies and it sees what channels can be tuned. At least that's what I used to see if I had channels

[12:01:29]

sambiase:

where did u get the dvb-tools?

[12:01:43]

sambiase:

thanks for the page praet

[12:03:26]

sambiase:

i found this http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=50669

[12:04:24]

praet:

sambiase: for video source use 'Transmitted guide only (EIT)'

[12:04:46]

sambiase:

i will run mythtvconfig again now

[12:04:56]

praet:

mythtv-setup

[12:05:09]

sambiase:

right

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praet:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

[12:06:04]

sambiase:

u mean...Video source name?

[12:07:04]

praet:

new video source,

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jd86:

mpeg2video @ 0xb73656e8]Warning MVs not available what could this mean??

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sambiase:

its workinggggggggggggggg

[12:07:45]

sambiase:

u r the man

[12:07:51]

praet:

k

[12:08:32]

sambiase:

just another question...the USB DVB came with a remote control...to configure it? do i do it within myth?

[12:09:14]

praet:

the mythtv system relys on the lirc program to interpret remote codes and return keys to the myth frontend

[12:09:28]

praet:

depending on your hardware lirc may already support it

[12:09:59]

sambiase:

right...i just installed lirc and its packages

[12:10:05]

praet:

jd86: sounds like you have a poor signal

[12:10:18]

jd86:

poor signal?

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praet:

whats the capture carD?

[12:10:49]

jd86:

pvr150 on MBE which is where it crashed

[12:11:55]

praet:

jd86: is there anything useful in dmesg ?

[12:12:10]

jd86:

ivtv1: All encoder MPEG stream buffers are full. Dropping data.

[12:12:10]

jd86:

ivtv1: Cause: the application is not reading fast enough.

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jd86:

if thats useful

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praet:

v4l2-ctl --log-status << chows how full the queues are

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praet:

*shows

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sambiase:

sorry but...im having a new problem....after scanning for the channels...i click ESC to exit the program...then I get: Path /mnt/store doesnt exist. Do you want to fix this problem? .. i click then on YES PLEASE...then i get back to the main menu with the options...and click on ESC again the same message pops up

[12:13:42]

Beirdo:

dangit, it's raining again

[12:14:03]

jd86:

So i should just start myth up again and hope it doesn't happen, or is the cable signal poor quality and i need to do something about that or??

[12:14:07]

Beirdo:

and now the dog just soaked me after coming inside from a 10s run around the patio

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praet:

jd86: you could increas the buffer size? options ivtv yuv_buffers=32 mpg_buffers=16 vbi_buffers=16 pcm_buffers=16 dec_osd_buffers=2

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praet:

those are the max values

[12:16:03]

praet:

put that in your os modprobe, then depmod -a and modprobe ivtv

[12:16:16]

Beirdo:

OMG, it's "cold" today... 72F

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praet:

you should see ivtv1: Allocate DMA encoder MPEG stream: 512 x 32768 buffers (16384KB total)

[12:16:28]

praet:

Beirdo: we are getting your rain too

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jd86:

ok

[12:16:42]

praet:

jd86: instead of 4096KB total

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praet:

also, make sure your drive isnt full

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jd86:

raining here too Beirdo

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jd86:

231G plus 7G free

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praet:

livebuffer...

[12:18:05]

jd86:

ugh something is using ivtv and I can't rmmod it at th emoment

[12:18:15]

praet:

yeah that would happen :)

[12:18:16]

jd86:

i could reboot it.

[12:18:25]

jd86:

there is free space on every drive.

[12:18:29]

praet:

also, you may want to start the backend with a log

[12:18:40]

praet:

and make sure there is no errors there

[12:19:42]

jd86:

praet, I do have it logging a few things. I need to get ready for work, thanks for your help.

[12:20:30]

jd86:

I had another problem I get to sort out tonight, I guess files for one of my recordings disappeared, and mythtranscode started 10 times, and load killed myth and caused all kind s of rukus

[12:20:59]

praet:

heh

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jd86:

but that might have disappeared because I use JFS and I hard-reset it last night...

[12:22:22]

praet:

the file?

[12:22:44]

jd86:

the box, I know jfs has problems on power loss

[12:22:51]

jd86:

yes file disappeared

[12:22:55]

jd86:

well I must be going, thanks for the help

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praet:

gl

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masonsjax:

what up wit it vanilla face?

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harzi:

hmpf, my mythfilldatabase runs, but doesn't insert any data. my program-schedule is empty... how to debug this?

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Torg:

can someone help me with a portability problem? I compiled myth on one box and copied the debs I created to another of the same architecture. Only ldd on the new system inisists it wants two X shared libs (libXinerama.so.1 and LibXxf86vm.so.1) that do not exist on any of my other myth boxes (inclusing the one it was compiled on)

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fryfrog:

could it be pulled in by another lib that does?

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fryfrog:

er, depends on it?

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Torg:

it is

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Torg:

but I cant figure out which one it is

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Torg:

its one of the X11 libs, but a ldd -v wont show it

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Torg:

apart from runnign a dpkg -l on both boxes and diffing them I dunno

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fryfrog:

do they all have different video cards/drivers?

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Torg:

yes but I dont think myth is linked agsint the X video drivers, other then Xvmc

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Torg:

let me try teh xvmc drivers to see

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Torg:

nope, good guess tho :)

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Torg:

I thought surely someone ran across this before, otherwise its a few hours unassembling libs to see what needs it

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gardengnome:

Torg: that's why you should use pbuilder and use the depends line in debian/control properly

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Torg:

all I did was use checkinstall as I was trying to keep revision controll on one box

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Torg:

I build a salve backend and thoght id just copy over the deb I made

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GreyFoxx:

libmythtv is compiled against libXinerama on my machine

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Torg:

unfortuanly tehre is some differnce in the X11 I can not see that my new slav wants those libs

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gardengnome:

ah, checkinstall. you get what dou deserve ;)(

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GreyFoxx:

though I do actuially have a libXinerama on the box as a base part of X

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Torg:

I do too, but in a lib archive not a shared object

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Torg:

its /usr/X11R6/lib/libXinerama.a

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Torg:

not /usr/X11R6/lib/libXinerama.so.1

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GreyFoxx:

ahh

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GreyFoxx:

I have both

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Torg:

what package is the so in?

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GreyFoxx:

I use to have a shell script for repacking a static archive into a shared object, but I have no idea where that is

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GreyFoxx:

Torg: It just comes as a base part of X on my distro. I didn't have to explicitly install it

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Torg:

yes GreyFoxx I figured that already, I just wanted to know what package its part of

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Torg:

e.g. dpkg -S

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Torg:

id rather not unpackage the archive

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GreyFoxx:

Ahhh, I'm not a debian user, I didn't mean to infer that I was :)

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Torg:

rpm -q?

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GreyFoxx:

hehe no

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GreyFoxx:

but I can get the name hold on

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Torg:

ubu?

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GreyFoxx:

Slackware

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Torg:

I dont really think it will giv me an answer but at least somewhere to start looking

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gardengnome:

Torg: http://www.pastebin.ca/396068

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GreyFoxx:

x11–6.8.2-i486–2

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Torg:

thanks

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Torg:

its part of libxinerama, well duhh :)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Torg:

intersting enough its not on the box I compiled it on, and ldd dosnt need it

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Torg:

so im wondering what in the hell is differnt, there both debian sarge with current stable updates

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fryfrog:

http://www.thingsmygirlfriendandihavearguedabout.com/

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fryfrog:

hahaha

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Torg:

hmm sounds like he needs a differnt gf

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** quicksilver nods **

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quicksilver:

I saw that when it broke in the press

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Torg:

"does this dress make my hips look fat", "no dear, you ass does"

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Torg:

Q: if I set up a slave BE do I nfsmount the tv directory on it from the master or can I have two seprate directories?

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Beirdo:

either

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

personally, I would NFS mount

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Beirdo:

but make sure if you do... use NFSv3

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** Beirdo is downloading Solaris 10 11/06 while rsyncing a pile of stuff to the linode. heh **

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Torg:

what would be the advantage/disadvantage of both

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Torg:

and I understand the nfsv3 part :)

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Beirdo:

well, the advantage to using NFS... it's been tuned for years for performance (when setup right) and is independent of the mythtv codebase

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Beirdo:

so if someone does something weird in the code, it will still work

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Beirdo:

also, you can mount it on the frontend machines, and store mythvideo/mythmusic stuff there for all the frontends to see

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Torg:

I understnd the part about why to use NFS, I meant advantages of the remote FS vs local

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Beirdo:

ahh, consolidated storage?

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Torg:

if it were remote it would require teh master to be up all the time for example

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Beirdo:

well, yeah, whatever machine has the filesystem would need to be up

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Torg:

im just thinking of the 245G of freepsace on the slave that inst used

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

well, that would be tempting for sure

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Beirdo:

;)

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Beirdo:

I dunno, both ways should work fine

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Torg:

and im thinking since one is ATSC and the other dvb-s the latter would have smaller files

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Beirdo:

the backend->frontend protocol does stream the video for playback

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Torg:

the Master has a 2TB array for tv

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Beirdo:

is that all? ;)

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Beirdo:

heheh

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Torg:

yea thats all

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Torg:

wait untill your wife wants to keep 3 or 4 whole seasons of ATSC online at any time :P

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Beirdo:

heh, wait until we can receive ATSC

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Beirdo:

that would require a much more expensive antenna than the shitty loop I have now

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Beirdo:

stupid mountains

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juski:

Torg: can you spell d i v o r c e ?

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Torg:

naa you can get ATSC with a coat hanger, sorta depends on how close you are

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Torg:

I use a $75 directional and it works great

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Torg:

and juski, I already did that once :P

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Luvmuscle:

Does anyone know if knoppmyth R5E50 uses lilo.conf? I can't seem to find it on my install.

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Beirdo:

yeah, but you aren't 20 miles from the transmitter with mountains between, are you?

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Torg:

its in /etc

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Torg:

no im 50 miles without even a damn bush to impeed your view

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Beirdo:

a coat-hanger won't do here

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Torg:

can you say flat?

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Beirdo:

when I was in Toronto, a shitty loop got me Buffalo ATSC perfectly

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juski:

Luvmuscle: ask in #knoppmyth

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Beirdo:

but I was 14 floors up, and right on Lake Ontario with a clear shot to Buffalo over open water

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Beirdo:

no such luck here

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Torg:

Luvmuscle its in /etc

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Beirdo:

I've tried, but no such luck

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Beirdo:

so I'll wait until I'm gainfully employed

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Torg:

Im in keene, tx. Its a stright shot (about 27 miles according to antenna web), other then three staitons using directiona bcasts the other way it works fine

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Beirdo:

get Dish Network, tell the cable company to fuck themselves... THEN get a decent antenna on the roof for ATSC

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Beirdo:

got an interview on Tuesday, so it may not be too long :)

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dustybin:

afternoon folks

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Beirdo:

and the RF internet shit covers only the metro San Juan area, and we are like 20 miles away

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Torg:

Luvmuscle you either boot by lilo or grub. Since it is based open knoppix I cant see it using grub. Its entirely posible your install got screwed up and you ont have a lilo.conf file but you booted with it anyway

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Torg:

go watch the thig boot, if it comes up witha graphial interface you can select with an arrow thats grub

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Torg:

if it comes up with a boot: and maybe some text spash screen thats lilo

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Torg:

if you dont have a lilo.conf file good luck, you need to create one

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Torg:

and there are about 1000 places on the internet with example lilo.conf files

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dustybin:

ive successfully got zoneminder + mythtv running on the same box :)

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Torg:

Beirdo in that im lucky the CEV is about 500 yards from me and thats where the DSLAM is

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Luvmuscle:

thanks Torg

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Beirdo:

heh

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Torg:

dustybin what do you use for cameras?

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dustybin:

im using a logitech webcam at the moment

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Beirdo:

I keep reminding the wifey to ask at the telco (who is one of her employer's clients) when we can have DSL

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dustybin:

when i get my own place ill invest in some axis cameras

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Beirdo:

last summer they said "about a year"

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Beirdo:

and since we are getting close to that, I want an update

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Torg:

I want something decient to use as a camera, preferably wireless, hopefully secure and not like $1000 a pop :)

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juski:

ip cameras are woefully disappointing

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Torg:

coax?

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dustybin:

if anyone wants to have a look at mine in action PM me

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juski:

Torg: or twisted pair

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gardengnome:

hey juski

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dustybin:

motion detection works sweet

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Torg:

well duhh why dint it occur to me, ask the brits they only have cameras on every damn thing it can be mounted on :P

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Beirdo:

some day, I may put cameras up around this place... once both of us are working, having cameras in the yard to see what the mutt's up to could be useful

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juski:

ip cameras suck, esp. for the price you pay

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juski:

hey gardengnome

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** Beirdo chucks a wireless mouse at gardengnome **

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Torg:

so juski what is a good wired camera to use?

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juski:

anythjing with Sony HAD or Pixim modules in it

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juski:

and good lenses

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Torg:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sony-HAD-Color-Security-D . . . cmdZViewItem

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juski:

i.e. don't expect decent pics from those bullet cams you can buy on ebay

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Torg:

thats a $200 camera, I want two

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juski:

always spend as much as you can afford with security

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juski:

if you're gonna take it seriously – not that there's any point doing it otherwise

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Torg:

what card does dual bnc to PCI?

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juski:

do you want 50 pics/sec recording?

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Torg:

its mostly so I can see who is at the front door and to monitor the yards mostly when I get packges shipped

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juski:

i.e. full framerate per camera?

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Torg:

I want something that looks decinet, that I can actualy identify who it is (maybe read a nameplate or license)

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Torg:

and not have to leave the light on all night :)

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juski:

Torg: actually basic tuner cards that have composite & svid inputs – each of those is a separate input

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juski:

and you NEED illumination to see at night, regardless

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juski:

IR is useless, as I've found out

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Torg:

well I was thinking motion detecting light

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eelriver_:

EL Torg?

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Torg:

que?

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eelriver_:

You play(ed) el?

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Torg:

Im not sure what you mean by EL

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Torg:

so probably not

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KaZeR:

hey there. anyone here is using mythzoneminder? i get ERROR – Cannot get shared memory pointers

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anykey_:

KaZeR: that happens if the user running zm is not the same as the user running mythtv I think. There was a post on the mailinglists recenctly about that

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KaZeR:

oh nice to hear. thank you, i'm gonna dig this :)

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Torg:

run it all as root :)

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KaZeR:

Torg, erf ;)

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dustybin:

ohh noo

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dustybin:

[pratchett.freenode.net] Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a

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dustybin:

staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )

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KaZeR:

it's been so since a long time, isn't it?

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Torg:

what about it dustybin?

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dustybin:

ive only been on freenode for 2 weeks!

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dustybin:

i didnt realise PMs were blocked

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** dustybin registers **

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Torg:

you should be blocked from sending them, not reciving them

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dustybin:

yes i got your PM but u didnt see my reply

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Torg:

I just figurd you wr ignoring me :P

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stickyicky:

http://www.starbucks.com/ourcoffees/coffee_break.asp?

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Torg:

but I think juski has convinced me to get two CCTV sony HADs

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KaZeR:

it's fun to see two of the best OS applications bringed together and discussed here :)

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juski:

Torg: the pixim modules are the dogs' danglies

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Torg:

I love it when you guyes use those euphemisms

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Torg:

is that like dogs bullocks?

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juski:

danglies == bollocks ;)

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Torg:

just checking :)

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Torg:

im trying to find some cameras based of pixim but am getting no luck

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Torg:

do you have any links?

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juski:

not handy

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Torg:

any idea of a sony vs hitachi?

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Torg:

id prefer not to support sony

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Torg:

its why I ask, I want someone who already went though 5 differnt cameras and finaly came to the concusion to buy a certain one in the first place

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Torg:

I want to skip the 4 bad ones and go rigt for the best choice

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Torg:

sorta like tell me, yes buy the $200 one, its worth it and the rest will disapoint you

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akifdino:

i'm getting ERROR: CAM: Read failed: slot 0, tcid 1 if i want to watch encrypted channels, what could be the problem?

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Torg:

do you have a CI on your DVB card?

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akifdino:

Torg: yes, added yesterday

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akifdino:

it is a technotrend c1500

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Torg:

is there a card in the CAM?

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akifdino:

and today i wanted to try using a CAM,

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akifdino:

yes there is a cam inside

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Torg:

I would assume there is a CAM connected to the CI, no is there a card IN the cam

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akifdino:

Torg: yes there is a card in the cam, from kabel deutschland. i'm speaking to a guy in mythtv-de

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Torg:

and ill assume that card is a legitmate, registered one?

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akifdino:

Torg: yes, it is a official card from kabel deutschland

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akifdino:

not for really encrypted channels, just for the base channels

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gardengnome:

of course those channels are encrypted

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** gardengnome strangles akifdino for cross-posting again and goes afk **

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akifdino:

gardengnome: i told above that i'm talking to you in mythtv-de

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gardengnome:

akifdino: you really shouldn't ask the same questions in two channels within such a short period of time even if you don't get an answer immediately.

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akifdino:

gardengnome: sometimes you do not get answers for quite a time

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slide:

Im running mythfilldatabase and its giving me db errors

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slide:

http://www.pastebin.ca/396217

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slide:

can anyone help?

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dustybin:

Commodore Are Back :D

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dustybin:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6453339.stm

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slide:

Does that mean that mysql crashed and messed up my dbs?

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Torg:

mysqlcheck -r mythconverg

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Torg:

more like db is messed up and mythfilldatabase couldnt

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Torg:

its a physical problem with the file, hopefully its just iasm corruption from a crash

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Torg:

it could be actual physical damnage to the disk

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Torg:

its HIGHLY doubtfull that mythfilldatabase caused it

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slide:

cool, that seems to have fixed it

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slide:

thank you :)

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Torg:

np

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akifdino_:

i did search but couldn't find a documentation on using a ci and cam with mythtv, could anyone point me to one?

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adante:

Torg: as always, be sure to backup your database regularly

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adante:

that said, i might go and do that now..

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Torg:

I do backups daily

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Torg:

I have for quite a few years now

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praet:

wow 326 trac tickets

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juski:

woo cumodore are back :-|

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juski:

wave your hands if you care ;)

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Dagmar:

cumodore who?

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mkrufky:

was that a play on commodore64?

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juski:

some company has bought the rights to use the commodore name & they're gonan sell overspecced ricer pcs

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Dr_willis:

juski, :)

[17:40:52]

Dr_willis:

but will they include the vice emulator!

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Dr_willis:

seeing that news on DailyTech :)

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Dr_willis:

capable of withstanding our revolutionary painting process.

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Dr_willis:

Commodore indicated that its systems will ship with a Commodore64 emulator with more than 50 classic games preloaded.

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Dagmar:

Vice emulator?

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Dagmar:

Ahh

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juski:

god that'll make them worth the money fer sure!

[17:42:40]

Dagmar:

Not to kvetch, but I wouldn't play any of those anymore

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mkrufky:

juski: re: commodore... how will it be useful to anybody?

[17:43:02]

Dagmar:

I was a die-hard commie, but all those games are very obsolete now

[17:43:12]

juski:

if you had a pc as overspecced as that who'd want to play 8-bit games?

[17:43:14]

praet:

windows vista

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Dagmar:

What they should do is release a console that's as easy to program for as the C=64/128

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juski:

with graphics as er.. advanced too?

[17:44:21]

Dagmar:

No thank you

[17:44:36]

Dagmar:

I had more than my share of reverse engineering to figure out all the undocumented stuff

[17:44:43]

Dagmar:

I'd rather not do that again

[17:45:05]

Dagmar:

It took me almost a week to figure out how the hell EA was getting the skateboarded to appear above the normal screen area

[17:45:26]

Dagmar:

Literally none of the code they used there made a lick of sense

[17:45:41]

Dagmar:

I think the name of it was 720 or something like that

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juski:

how did they do it then? it's not like it had timing good enough to change the border colur as accurately or as fast as necessary to do that.. or is it?

[17:46:15]

Dagmar:

All the other stuff was pretty much cake, although I never did find a satisfactory explanation of what the hellw as going on with the high bits in color memory

[17:46:46]

Dagmar:

juski: They were doing something to basically temporarily lobotomize the sprite manager so that it wouldn't refuse to draw the sprite when the raster was above the normal work area

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juski:

heh

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Dagmar:

Pretty simple, _once you figured out what the hell it was doing_

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Dagmar:

Do it the least bit wrong, and the screen would just go dark

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juski:

well anyway it's time I went home

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juski:

ttfn

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mkrufky:

janneg: (or anybody else interested in my menu text missing bug after mythfrontend update from atrpms yesterday) ... I captured both stdout and stderr from mythfrontend: http://techsounds.org/missing-menu-stdout.txt | http://techsounds.org/missing-menu-stderr.txt

[17:50:18]

mkrufky:

i think the stderr log shows us what we need to see, i just dont know what it normally looks like when it works, as i've not looked at stderr those times

[17:51:01]

praet:

mkrufky: have you tried without the opengl renderer?

[17:52:29]

mkrufky:

praet: in the past, i have used it with the qt renderer AND the opengl renderer .... both have always worked

[17:52:47]

mkrufky:

praet: even since the upgrade yesterday, i have not tried without the gl renderer

[17:53:05]

praet:

what heppens exactly.. no menu at all?

[17:53:07]

mkrufky:

praet: but i need the menus in order to change the renderer ..... is there a way to do it via command line?

[17:53:22]

Dagmar:

With an SQL query browser, yes.

[17:53:31]

Dagmar:

I've no idea what value to change tho, before you ask

[17:53:44]

mkrufky:

no menu is displayed at all, but i know the menu items... i hit down – enter – enter , and it brings me to the recordings menu .... THAT menu displays properly

[17:54:19]

mkrufky:

Dagmar: i am running NOT gl mode on a different box, and that box does not have this problem

[17:54:42]

mkrufky:

i will query the db and see what value that box is set to, and apply it to the box with the problem

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praet:

mythtvfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt ?

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mkrufky:

unfortunately, i cant try this till i get home tonight

[17:55:08]

mkrufky:

although praet's suggestion looks easier :-)

[17:55:20]

praet:

well its worth trying..

[17:55:26]

mkrufky:

yes, certainly worth it

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praet:

strange problem..

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AMD:

can i ?

[17:55:56]

praet:

i would just install the version that works

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praet:

AMD: yes

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mkrufky:

i reported this yesterday... janneg said that others have also reported the same problem

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AMD:

thank u bro

[17:56:15]

mkrufky:

no fix available yet — they dont know what is causing the problem

[17:56:40]

mkrufky:

i cant just install the version that works ...... this was a result of an atrpms update via yum, and i no longer have the older package

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praet:

oh

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mkrufky:

i should install a second partition on that box.... one for updating / testing , the other for stable

[17:57:34]

mkrufky:

one of these days.......

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praet:

well when janneg comes around post the sterr again

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mkrufky:

hopefully he'll see it.... i know he's here, probably just busy

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praet:

i used to hear a beep when my nick was typed

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mkrufky:

that's dependant on the chat client

[18:02:22]

mkrufky:

i have gaim set to beep -and- flash

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praet:

yikes

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AtSquiggs:

hey all

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AtSquiggs:

I can

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mkrufky:

what's the problem?

[18:12:44]

Dagmar:

AtSquiggs: Dude, check your syslog output when the module is being loaded. It's probably telling you something significant.

[18:12:46]

AtSquiggs:

it loads all the firmware, but when I do cat /dev/video1 > test.mpg, test.mpg is 0 bytes

[18:13:06]

AtSquiggs:

I was looking, there was one thing that looked wrong, let me get it

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AMD:

HI GUYS

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AMD:

sorry about caps

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AMD:

how do i change sound cards in mythtv

[18:16:56]

ByteChanger:

hi all

[18:17:43]

AtSquiggs:

ivtv1: i2c hardware 0x00000001 (cx2584x) not found for command 0xc008561c!

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AtSquiggs:

that is the error I get, but /dev/video0 works fine

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mkrufky:

AtSquiggs: does your pvr500 have two cx25843's on it?

[18:19:31]

mkrufky:

(it should)

[18:19:49]

AtSquiggs:

as far as I can tell, when I bought it it was suppose to

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mkrufky:

there was a bug a few weeks ago where the i2c bug got screwed up when accessing the cx2584x

[18:20:01]

jams:

bah, just setup twinview and now mythfrontend segfaults

[18:20:07]

mkrufky:

it's already been fixed though... what jernel r u using?

[18:20:20]

AtSquiggs:

debian 2.6.18-4–686

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ByteChanger:

all ports on switch work in VDR

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mkrufky:

ah... i applied that fix to 2.6.18.7

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mkrufky:

double-checking... brb

[18:22:04]

Dagmar:

That sounds pretty clear cut.

[18:22:07]

AtSquiggs:

i was trying to keep the system debian as possible, you know not compile it

[18:22:13]

Dagmar:

I'd just upgrade to the latest kernel and ivtv

[18:22:17]

AtSquiggs:

mkrufky – k thanks

[18:22:37]

Dagmar:

AtSquiggs: Provided they build with /proc/config.gz support, for you to clone Debian's exact configuration should be easy-peasy

[18:22:51]

AtSquiggs:

dagmar – I thougt I had the latest. Well at least for debian etch

[18:23:00]

AtSquiggs:

yeah I could do that

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AtSquiggs:

i could just load in the .config too

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mkrufky:

AtSquiggs: where did you get ivtv?

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Torg:

all you have to do is keep debian at apt stable, and compile your own kernel

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Dagmar:

AtSquiggs: nah, you can check www.kernel.org and see we're at 2.16.20.3 now

[18:23:24]

mkrufky:

AtSquiggs: i just checked my git tree .... the problem was in 2.6.19, not 2.6.18

[18:23:45]

mkrufky:

AtSquiggs: so, its possible that you installed ivtv, WITH the cx2584x module, along with the old bug

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Torg:

get 2.6.20 and compile it, make, make modules_install, make bzlilo

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Dagmar:

Not that you'd normally _want_ to jump all the way up to the latest unless you hit a bug. Normally hanging back 2–3 micro releases is fine

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AtSquiggs:

I know what the latest kernel is, I meant so I could just do apt-get

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kim0:

hi, is mythTV using fribidi yet? i.e. can I get the interface in Arabic (right-to-left language?)

[18:24:06]

Torg:

you may have to change your bootloader, other then that you really dont need to do anything more unless you want a monolithic kernel

[18:24:07]

mkrufky:

you dont need the latest kernel

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Dagmar:

Torg: Does the bzlilo target even _work_ with 2.6.x?

[18:24:11]

coolperson:

I have installed mythtv on fedora core 6 twice using the wilsonnet guide and both times atrpms case confilicts i am about to clean install and try again anyadvise about avoiding these problems

[18:24:14]

AtSquiggs:

I know how to compile a kernel. I've had a mythtv box running with slackware

[18:24:23]

mkrufky:

if you upgrade ivtv, it should give you the cx2584x fix as well, depending on where you get ivtv from

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AtSquiggs:

let me check where I got ivtv

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mkrufky:

k

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Dagmar:

Hmm... i see that it does

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AtSquiggs:

http://www.hellion.org.uk/debian

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Torg:

yes Dagmar, if you have your lilo set to load vmlinuz as the image and not some other thing

[18:25:01]

Dagmar:

I just use `make install` since i have this nice installkernel script I wrote

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mkrufky:

fyi, ivtv will be included with the vanilla kernel as of 2.6.22

[18:25:08]

AtSquiggs:

does that look right? but I'm only running .10

[18:25:10]

Torg:

even if you do make bzlilo you can modify lilo.conf later on and re lilo it

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AtSquiggs:

that is awesome! about ivtv being included!

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mkrufky:

:-)

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mkrufky:

AtSquiggs: s this mean you installed ivtv via a package from a debian apt repo?

[18:25:48]

Dagmar:

Torg: well, I wrote an installkernel script that basically follows what Patrick does with his kernel names in /boot so I wouldn't have worry about that stuff anymore.

[18:26:05]

AtSquiggs:

mkrufky – yes, sorry I should have been more clear

[18:26:16]

Torg:

some of are just oldschool, I distcc mine too but I have 6 systems to run the compile on

[18:26:32]

AMD:

is there any way to change the sound card for mythtv ?

[18:26:35]

Torg:

CC="distcc gcc" make -j 15

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mkrufky:

AtSquiggs: ok, then probably the best thing you can do is what Dagmar said.... upgrade your kernel to the latest debian package, then update the ivtv

[18:26:57]

jams:

AMD it's in the frontend settings

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Torg:

AMD just load the module for whatever hardware you have, its not diffcult

[18:27:13]

AMD:

Torg:it is

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jams:

there is a place to specifiy which device in /dev you want to use

[18:27:32]

AMD:

mythtv uses the wrong sound device

[18:27:37]

Torg:

how so, did it not load, did it not make a dvice, did it not load a mixer?

[18:27:42]

kim0:

how can I get the samllest possible myth system ?

[18:27:50]

AtSquiggs:

mkrufky, you think just compile ivtv?

[18:27:58]

AMD:

jams: i will give that i try thanks bud

[18:28:09]

mkrufky:

no, the moment you start compiling, then you lose the debian package manager's control

[18:28:29]

Torg:

not at all mkrufky, try making your own debs

[18:28:34]

AtSquiggs:

yeah I know, but the latest ivtv I can go is ivtv

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AtSquiggs:

sorry I mean .10

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ByteChanger:

kim0: i think there is a minimyth... < 128mb

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kim0:

ByteChanger: ah cool thanks

[18:28:55]

Torg:

ii mythplugins trunk.0.20–129 mythplugins

[18:28:55]

Torg:

ii mythtv trunk.0.20–129 myhttv

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Torg:

my own packages, I compile and make my own

[18:29:08]

mkrufky:

Torg: i compile my drivers just fine, but i dont want to tell him to do it

[18:29:20]

sigger:

anyone use mythmusic with id3 tags? my svn build is not reading my tags (and ignore tags in setup is unselected).

[18:29:25]

ByteChanger:

runs off usb key, cd, etc...

[18:29:30]

mkrufky:

AtSquiggs: latest is .10 , yes.... but .10 is not the entire revision

[18:29:46]

mkrufky:

ivtv 0.10 is just the svn branch's name

[18:29:53]

mkrufky:

you need the latest 0.10

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Torg:

mine work fine too if I dont do something stupid like compile agaisnt xorg and run it against xfree86 like I did this morning :P

[18:29:59]

mkrufky:

(1.0.0 is out now)

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Dagmar:

ivtvdriver.org sez 0.10.1 for kernels >= 2.6.18

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mkrufky:

that is correct

[18:31:29]

mkrufky:

1.0.0 is bundled with 2.6.22

[18:31:36]

Dagmar:

They must have gotten tired of mucking about with multiple branches for the differen kernels

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AtSquiggs:

I'm just saying I can't install it like apt-get install ivtv-10.1

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Dagmar:

That sound like a good place to do an upgrade from then

[18:31:51]

AMD:

jams: it worked ,this is the first time thou, finally thing i can switch to Linux full time

[18:32:01]

AtSquiggs:

so I'll need to download it and compile it

[18:32:10]

mkrufky:

no, actually it isnt needed after 2.,6.18, because that marks the kernel revision where all ivtv modules, except for ivtv itself have already been merged into the kernel

[18:32:13]

Dagmar:

AtSquiggs: Thankfully, building the source, provided you have configured kernel source around, is _dead easy_

[18:32:33]

AtSquiggs:

yeah, ./configure, make, make install :)

[18:32:38]

AtSquiggs:

let me try that

[18:32:43]

mkrufky:

AtSquiggs: if you want to compile ivtv. then do this instead

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Torg:

Dagmar I think you mean building FROM the source, but your correct :)

[18:32:49]

Dagmar:

I've been using 2.16.17.3 for ages now

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mkrufky:

dont compile ivtv alone..... install it witht he full v4l0dvb tree

[18:33:17]

Dagmar:

We need an option in menuconfig to spam 'M' in an entire subsection automatically

[18:33:27]

mkrufky:

AtSquiggs: download this tarball: http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb?ca=04efc075f176;type=bz2

[18:33:45]

mkrufky:

AtSquiggs: untar it, cd into the dir, make && make install , then reboot

[18:33:56]

AtSquiggs:

alright, I'll give that a try

[18:34:03]

mkrufky:

then you'll have the latest of v4l / dvb / ivtv drivers , and it is compatable with your debian kernel

[18:34:06]

Dagmar:

It would make USB stuff a hell of a lot easier, IMHO

[18:34:33]

mkrufky:

oh..... for the people reading the logs, download this tarball instead: http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb?ca=-1;type=bz2

[18:34:36]

Torg:

the only reason I use 2.6.20 is for my cx88-dvb cards

[18:35:04]

AtSquiggs:

do you have a lynx friendly link?

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Torg:

lynx "http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb?ca=-1;type=bz2"

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AtSquiggs:

thanks torg! i can't believe I didn't know that

[18:36:37]

Torg:

hehe

[18:37:50]

AtSquiggs:

i think its funny how you can use an OS for so long and still be surpised. not that I know anything close to everything about linux

[18:37:55]

AtSquiggs:

man that sounded confusing :)

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Torg:

it mostly depends on how often you use it

[18:38:44]

Torg:

ypu could do the same thing and escape each of the special chars, but quotes are easier

[18:38:48]

mkrufky:

which card, Torg ?? (just curious)

[18:39:23]

Torg:

there dvb-s cards? you want the model?

[18:39:43]

Dagmar:

AtSquiggs: I can understand that. After I'd been using it about six months I just started iteratively working my way through all the man pages.

[18:39:44]

mkrufky:

doesnt matter was just curious

[18:39:48]

Dagmar:

Boring, but very effective.

[18:39:49]

Torg:

I assume you meant the cards that I need 2.6.20 for

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mkrufky:

i dont recall adding anything for cx88-dvb in 2.6.20

[18:40:05]

mkrufky:

but o believe it

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mkrufky:

^^ i

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Torg:

its the chipset

[18:40:21]

Torg:

shows up as device 39 or something like that

[18:40:32]

mkrufky:

digiwave103g ?

[18:41:02]

Torg:

hauppage nova-s plus

[18:41:07]

mkrufky:

ah, ok then...

[18:41:42]

Torg:

c:

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Torg:

oops, sorry

[18:43:12]

Torg:

the show up as conecant winfast tv2000 xp rev 05

[18:43:49]

mkrufky:

yeah, they're using the original ref design

[18:44:17]

Torg:

Im not sure whats origional or not, all I know is they are $53 a piece and it took a compile of 2.6.20 to get them to work

[18:44:25]

Torg:

2.6.15 keps trying to load cx88-blackbird

[18:44:49]

mkrufky:

cx88-blackbird can be loaded, just doesnt do anything for you

[18:45:07]

Torg:

well neither did cx88-dvb

[18:45:32]

Torg:

err cx88_dvb

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mkrufky:

:-(

[18:46:03]

mkrufky:

oh well... its working now, thats what matters :-)

[18:46:11]

Torg:

yes

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Torg:

only apic is now unstable, its what im working on atm

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Torg:

use it as a backend

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livingtm:

anyone here familiar with the mythfrontend code?

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AtSquiggs:

mkrufky – same thing

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silverpower:

Torg, it doesn't have the space for backend use. I'm intending to use it as a TV, but I'd like more functionality than xawtv can give me. My real question is what would be the cheapest way to make it run acceptably as a front-end?

[18:56:51]

mkrufky:

AtSquiggs: you installed that new version, rebooted, and all works except for video1 ?

[18:57:17]

AtSquiggs:

yep

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AtSquiggs:

i'm pastebin'ing the dmesg output

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mkrufky:

please paste full dmesg to http://rafb.net/paste or http://pastebin.ca

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mkrufky:

:-)

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Torg:

silverpower I wouldnt run it as a frontend in any way shape or form, its going to choke trying to playback mpeg and god help you if its mpeg2

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AtSquiggs:

lol

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sigger:

livingtm: specifically what?

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livingtm:

sigger, Eh, I'm new to the code and starting to poke around.. trying to learn how the menus work

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AtSquiggs:

big bucks no wammies! I hope you guys can help me fix this problem

[18:59:36]

silverpower:

Torg, great. Looks like i should start pricing a used AthlonXP machine for this, then...

[18:59:54]

sigger:

ah how menus _work_ or how to change items in the menus.

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sigger:

1 = hard. 2 = easy

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livingtm:

sigger, i've played wih the themes... im lookin at the mythscreenstack code currently, trying to figure out how it works

[19:00:55]

mkrufky:

AtSquiggs: this is quite a nice bug you got there.... i am going to show this to hans verkuil

[19:01:04]

AtSquiggs:

really?

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sigger:

ah ok. just making sure you didn't need something simple. can't help you with screenstack

[19:01:23]

AtSquiggs:

yeah I figured! :)

[19:01:29]

livingtm:

sigger, do you know what handles drawing the menus?

[19:02:12]

AtSquiggs:

the pvr250 cards encode the video right? It doesn't require the computer to.

[19:02:23]

mkrufky:

AtSquiggs: you should jon #v4l

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mkrufky:

join

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clever_:

No active games! Type !uno to start a round.

[19:02:29]

Dagmar:

yeah, all the PVR-xxx cards do hardware accel encoding

[19:03:00]

AtSquiggs:

where is a good place to buy them?

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sigger:

livingtm: not really. I know there's an interface that ultimately uses QT. but that's awfully basic

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livingtm:

sigger, ill keep poking around. thanks

[19:07:06]

sigger:

sorry not familiar with that.

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janneg:

mkrufky: my client is always on. it's irssi in a screen session

[19:11:38]

mkrufky:

i thought so, janneg ;-)

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mkrufky:

janneg: see my logs?

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janneg:

have you tried another theme?

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mkrufky:

yes... tried them all, same issue

[19:11:59]

mkrufky:

take a look at the stderr log

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janneg:

yes, the stderr looks very suspicious

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mkrufky:

i will try tonight to use the non-gl painter

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janneg:

mkrufky: do you know your previous atrpms packege versions?

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mkrufky:

i can look

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mkrufky:

brb

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janneg:

I assume that you now use 0.20–153

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mkrufky:

mythtv-frontend.i386 0.20–151.fc5.at == good

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mkrufky:

mythtv-frontend.i386 0.20–153.fc5.at == bad

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mkrufky:

i guess i missed the 0.20–152 version

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juski:

evening all

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gardengnome:

juski: my cup holder is broken

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stuarta:

evening

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janneg:

mkrufky: no related chnages in fixes between those versions :(

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mkrufky:

damn... how can that be?

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mkrufky:

is it possible that it's an nvidia regression?

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mkrufky:

...... makes no sense though, because the recordings menu shows up just fine, and playback is just as great as ever

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mkrufky:

well, i just grabbed the 2.6.20 + new nvidia module.... hopefully that was the problem, and i'll find out when i get home

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Torg:

dir

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mkrufky:

SOMEbody's using DOS

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Torg:

to flash my bios, yes

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mkrufky:

:-)

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mkrufky:

just be careful — dont end up with a paperweight

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Torg:

its working, problem was I had no floppy

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Torg:

so I had to ruin one of my usb sticks, then chop off a 10M partion on disk to hold the 2K bios file

[19:44:45]

mkrufky:

thats exactly what i did on my old motherboard

[19:44:47]

Torg:

im hoping this solves my apic problem

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silverpower:

Ouch. I used a bootable CD-RW to do mine last I had to, but then Dell offers imaging tools for this sort of thing.

[19:45:02]

mkrufky:

(it used to NOT be my "old" motherboard, before i did that :-( )

[19:45:15]

Torg:

hmm nope problem is stil there, damnit

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janneg:

mkrufky: I have no idea what could cause your error. the problem seems to be in setting up the menu. so I doubt that the nvidia update could cause that

[20:11:10]

mkrufky:

:-/

[20:11:29]

mkrufky:

janneg: what can i do to get more info about it?

[20:12:16]

juski:

mmm coconutty rice & ting ... yummy

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janneg:

mkrufky: it is your OpenGL setup: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"

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janneg:

I'm too tired to see that

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mkrufky:

janneg: sorry, i was away

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mkrufky:

janneg: that is the cause of the entire problem?

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mkrufky:

janneg: i AM loading glx in xorg.conf ... and this has always worked in the past

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mkrufky:

so, translates to me as an nvidia regression

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janneg:

yes, maybe the module doesn't load

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juski:

damn I was gonna do something just now & I can't remember wth it was

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stuarta:

insert brain cell?

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juski:

tried that

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juski:

didn't work. maybe try rebooting next

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stuarta:

insert beer?

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juski:

too tired – it'll have me asleep

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juski:

ah yes now I remember

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mkrufky:

janneg: ok, so it is indeed an nvidia regression:

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mkrufky:

236:(EE) Failed to load module "glx" (loader failed, 7)

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mkrufky:

376:(EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the GLX module; please check in your X

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mkrufky:

so, i will figure this out and let you know what happens

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janneg:

mkrufky: I have no reason to believe that it won't work once you could glx persuade to load. the qt renderer will also work

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akifdino:

although the kernel detects the CAM and initializes it properly mythbackend log shows CI resource manager: unexpected data, where could i start looking solving this problem?

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mkrufky:

janneg: what could possibly cause such a problem with loading glx, where i had no trouble prior to yesterdays update?

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juski:

omg! from the BBC's have your say section today.. "How will we record a program on digital without watching it at the same time or leaving a tape running while absent."

[21:01:32]

juski:

what is this 'tape' they speak of?

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gardengnome:

my dictionary redirects me to "anachronism"

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jams:

anybody know why using xinerama would cause mythfrontend to segfault? working fine with twin view, but not xinerama

[21:02:33]

juski:

the word 'anachronism' redirects me to a dictionary

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gardengnome:

juski: woohoo! vicious lingual circle!

[21:03:45]

juski:

aha! like a pvr350 :)

[21:04:00]

gardengnome:

juski: it shows a picture of a full featured DVB card in mine

[21:04:26]

juski:

I honestly didn't know what the word meant til I looked it up

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juski:

we mostly use words like "fuck" and "shit" at work to describe things so my vocab hasn't been growing much

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gardengnome:

juski: i do have to admit i enjoy it when i can do this to native speakers. ;)

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stuarta:

don't forget the descriptive "steaming pile of ...."

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juski:

gardengnome: maybe in 20 years or so you foreigners won't be able to understand our native language – because it sure as hell won't be English anymore

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juski:

is it becuz I is fick, innit

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janneg:

mkrufky: mismatch between loaded nvidia kernel module and nvidia glx

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mkrufky:

oof

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juski:

hrm. I hate itunes & I fear giving my credit card number to some random russian website... any other way to legally download music these days?

[21:07:36]

mkrufky:

janneg: thank you... that is something i believe i may be able to solve remotely

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mkrufky:

brb

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juski:

fyi hate itunes == hate having to burn the track to cdr & rip it

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knowledgejunkie:

juski: what about having to repurchase all of your music if you decide to use a different music package?

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juski:

knowledgejunkie: I don't use itunes to play music anyway

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juski:

not since I found better ways to listen to online radio

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juski:

eee when I was a lad you just put a tape in & pressed record

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mkrufky:

is there a way to find out the version of the glx module that it is TRYign to load?

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mkrufky:

i have a bunch of them installed... dunno which one needs to be removed

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mkrufky:

:-( this is the problem, and im having a hard time finding a way around it:

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mkrufky:

dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/nvidia/libglx.so: undefined symbol: _nv001448gl

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Torg:

ldd the binary, what does it tell you?

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mkrufky:

ah, good idea

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mkrufky:

ok to paste 5 lines?

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stuarta:

be it on your head :)

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Torg:

probbly not, do any tell you not found?

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mkrufky:

no, but they point to nvidia-graphics-1.0–8776 ... and thats def not a match

[21:41:55]

mkrufky:

i will remove that one, see what happens

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Torg:

you can use that on the libs as well

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mkrufky:

ooh, im just going to install the 8776 kernel module

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mkrufky:

that should do it

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Torg:

im running 9629

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mkrufky:

with which kernel?

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mkrufky:

8776 was supposedly a stable version

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Torg:

2.6.13

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mkrufky:

and i USED to run it long ago

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mkrufky:

brb

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Torg:

its because of my TV and the bounding box

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tjcarter:

mkrufky: Is that like suggesting that Samsung tuners are supposedly as good as Philips tuners on WinTV cards?

[21:48:15]

mkrufky:

yeah, looks like i was running 9629 previously as well

[21:48:17]

** tjcarter assumes 8776 NV drivers.. They are reasonably stable under most configurations. **

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Torg:

8776 gives me this (WW) NVIDIA(0): Mode is rejected: Mode (1920 x 1080) is too large for DFP

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mkrufky:

tjcarter: is WHAT like suggesting that?

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mkrufky:

oh, yuck, Torg

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Torg:

altho it gets the 1080I from the tv itslef

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akifdino:

does anyone know where to find gnutv?

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mkrufky:

gnutv is part of the dvb-apps hg repository .... see http://linuxtv.org/repo , akifdino

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Torg:

so I cant tunr my own 1920x1080 but have to use the EDID mode of ATSC-1080–60i

[21:50:12]

jd86:

I'm almost wondering if I can put mbe on seperate computer, and not have any cards in it, or anything, it seems to have an awful hard time running with these MV errors

[21:50:29]

Torg:

I get MV errors consitantly

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mkrufky:

MV errors? whats that?

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ben_goodger:

jd86: mythbackend will not enjoy being in a separate computer to its TV cards, even if you can link them somehow

[21:51:04]

Torg:

mostly I want a -do-no-report-mv-errors flagh

[21:51:13]

jd86:

ben_goodger, oh not planning on doing that

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jd86:

ben_goodger, i have a slave and a master atm, i was thinking if i make two slaves, and put mythbackend for MBE on a separate computer when one slave possibly dies from MV errors, MBE still runs, therefore other slave keeps going

[21:52:01]

jd86:

Torg, or a -do-not-crash-on-mv

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Torg:

[mpeg2video @ 0xb725ac80]skipped MB in I frame at 1 56

[21:52:08]

Torg:

[mpeg2video @ 0xb725ac80]ac-tex damaged at 0 57

[21:52:08]

Torg:

[mpeg2video @ 0xb725ac80]Warning MVs not available

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Torg:

those

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jd86:

me too!

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Torg:

there litteraly all though my log

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jd86:

well my backend has been crashing

[21:52:29]

jd86:

and thats the last message

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mkrufky:

oh

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ben_goodger:

can't you repress them?

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Torg:

I could post the one line, but it would come out to about 10 here that anoys me the most

[21:53:02]

Torg:

its one runon error, over and over

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jd86:

Torg, does the backend die? or keep going just putting in logs?

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Torg:

just spews the logs full

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jd86:

see, my backend totally dies.

[21:54:03]

Torg:

it means the mpeg2 stream has errors

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praet:

Torg: maybe increase the mpeg buffer?

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Torg:

most common of those is bad reception

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jams:

Torg- you could run th elog file through grep before writing it =)

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Torg:

its not buffer related, its signal

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praet:

yeah signal was my first thought

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Torg:

mostly I just ignore it

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jd86:

see... I have just recently switched config around, and it worked for a week or so and just today its starting that

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praet:

get a booster

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Torg:

I put in a dropamp and it improved it greatly

[21:54:52]

jd86:

praet, can you use a booster with a cable modem after it?

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Torg:

yes ESPECIALLY for a cable modem

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Torg:

make sure its bi-directional tho

[21:55:20]

serfrs:

Anyone know how to lock adapters to certain #'s?

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Torg:

I use mine for ATSC, same thing tho

[21:55:49]

serfrs:

I got 2 DVB cards (HDTV3000, and a SS2) and they keep switching adapter #'s

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Torg:

their commonly sold on ebay if you want one

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Torg:

serfrs preload the modules in your rc in the order you want them to be

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serfrs:

thx

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Torg:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ELECTROLINE-8-PORT-ACTIVE . . . cmdZViewItem

[21:58:07]

Torg:

I have the smaller version of that with 4 ports out

[21:58:14]

mkrufky:

Torg: is this bad from ldd: linux-gate.so.1 => (0x008e9000)

[21:58:38]

mkrufky:

shoudl it have a library file to the right of the > and to the left pof the ( ?

[21:58:41]

Torg:

nope, thats fine

[21:58:46]

mkrufky:

ok

[21:58:56]

Torg:

its the entry point in the library

[21:59:30]

Torg:

hmm no its not teh entry point, but stil its ok

[21:59:38]

mkrufky:

ok ... looked like something was missing when compared to the next line: libGLcore.so.1 => /usr/lib/nvidia-graphics-1.0–8776/libGLcore.so.1 (0x00da5000)

[21:59:38]

Dagmar:

That references kernelstuff. It's supposed to be there

[21:59:44]

mkrufky:

ok

[22:00:02]

Dagmar:

It's something that started showing up with 2.6.x kernels.

[22:00:06]

Dagmar:

Freaked me out at first, too.

[22:00:09]

mkrufky:

well, at least now i know it's not a mythtv problem

[22:00:29]

mkrufky:

i think i have to remove all my nvidia drivers and reinstall one final one

[22:00:40]

Torg:

its for the vmm Dagmar

[22:01:13]

Dagmar:

For user purposes, all they need to know is that it points at kernel stuff, afaic

[22:01:14]

Torg:

I belive it was included to show the memoery usage for profiling

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Torg:

well I cant find it but its something like the address it loads to when in memory

[22:05:18]

Torg:

its trying to track down the PIC for you

[22:05:26]

Torg:

but I cant find th exact defenition

[22:05:43]

Torg:

like Dagmar said tho, mostly note thats its there and ingore the VDSOs

[22:05:46]

Dagmar:

I'm not really that worried about what it does myself. Thankfully I've never had to mess with it

[22:05:53]

serfrs:

Torg.... got a ? for ya

[22:06:06]

serfrs:

found a list of the modules

[22:06:07]

Torg:

there are some supsoed exploits to it and buffer overflows, I mostly ignore it tho

[22:06:08]

mkrufky:

YAY!! i fixed it

[22:06:12]

mkrufky:

(i think)

[22:06:19]

mkrufky:

i'll know for sure once i get home

[22:06:23]

mkrufky:

good time spend at work

[22:06:25]

serfrs:

but which one(s) are which?

[22:06:26]

Dagmar:

This is why we have SELinux. Not that it's easy to get used to tho

[22:06:40]

serfrs:

I believe there are 2 for the SS2.. but which one do I use?

[22:06:46]

Torg:

or run Debian casue knoppix is easy to install :)

[22:07:12]

Torg:

two what serfrs, drivers?

[22:08:23]

serfrs:

modules

[22:08:25]

serfrs:

yeah

[22:08:48]

Torg:

ok does one have a 0 for use and ther other have a number after it and some drivers as well?

[22:09:05]

serfrs:

b2c2_flexcorp, and stv0029

[22:09:20]

serfrs:

both show up undet i2c

[22:09:21]

Torg:

b2c2_flexcop_pci 8740 0

[22:09:21]

Torg:

b2c2_flexcop 26128 1 b2c2_flexcop_pci

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Torg:

liek that

[22:09:31]

Torg:

you would see the b2c2 more then once

[22:09:50]

Torg:

the b2c2_flexcop_pci is the top level driver and you can modprobe that, assuming you have run depmod

[22:10:00]

serfrs:

ok, I see it now

[22:10:03]

serfrs:

very top

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serfrs:

now I add that to etc/modules

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Torg:

if its like my b2c2 cards you should have a dozzen or so other drivers for the card, those are normal and its how modules work

[22:10:35]

serfrs:

<---using ubuntu

[22:10:46]

Torg:

I use debian and its how I would do it

[22:10:46]

serfrs:

yeah, I see tons of drivers

[22:11:02]

Torg:

is there a bcmxxxx driver?

[22:11:12]

Torg:

the xxx should be a number, its the tuner chip

[22:11:16]

serfrs:

any particular thing it shoudl go after (as in, don;t have it load BEFORE XXX loads)

[22:11:45]

Torg:

I load

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Torg:

b2c2_flexcop

[22:11:45]

Torg:

b2c2_flexcop_pci

[22:11:51]

Torg:

those are in my /etc/modules

[22:11:57]

serfrs:

bcm3510

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Torg:

what cards are these?

[22:12:23]

serfrs:

SkyStar2 (dvb-s) and a pcHDTV3000

[22:12:29]

mkrufky:

those are the air2pc / airstar / sky2pc etc cards

[22:13:05]

Torg:

yes mkrufky I was asking becase I have two of them but they are ATSC cards, not QAM

[22:13:11]

mkrufky:

anyway, i am ecstatic ... cant wait to get home and find out mythfrontend is (probably) fixed... thanks again, Torg and janneg

[22:13:14]

Torg:

I thought he said he was running it on cable

[22:13:24]

mkrufky:

oh, the pcHDTV3000 does QAM

[22:13:35]

Torg:

same chips? what makes the card differnt?

[22:13:50]

mkrufky:

the pcHDTV3000 is a cx88-dvb card using the oren 51132 demod

[22:13:58]

Torg:

ahh ok

[22:13:58]

mkrufky:

the skystar is a b2c2-flexcop

[22:14:27]

mkrufky:

ok, im going home

[22:14:31]

serfrs:

now would advise to just add one to the list?

[22:14:31]

mkrufky:

have a good night all

[22:14:39]

serfrs:

or both to the list?

[22:15:43]

serfrs:

hmm, now to find out the module for the hd3000

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serfrs:

it has DVB and V4L drivers

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Torg:

ill assume its like my HD2000 and used cx88_dvb

[22:16:05]

serfrs:

I only use the DVB portion

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serfrs:

yulp

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Torg:

in which case you need to load the cx88_dvb I also blacklist the cx88_blackbird

[22:16:50]

serfrs:

I should probably do that

[22:17:18]

Torg:

suposedly loading the vx88_blackbiard shoudl have no effect, but I cant see loading drivers I dont need/use

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** tjcarter is contemplating DirecTV if he can figure out a good way to control the tuner **

[22:21:05]

AMD:

and many others

[22:21:22]

Torg:

apt-get install lirc

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tjcarter:

AMD: which remote are you trying to use with it?

[22:21:33]

AMD:

mce usb

[22:21:47]

Torg:

tjcarter you need a ir blaster

[22:22:01]

AMD:

when irun irw i get Connection refused

[22:22:18]

Torg:

did you define a lircd.config and run lircd?

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AMD:

Torg: yes

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Torg:

is lircd running?

[22:24:09]

AMD:

i run sudo /etc/init.d/lirc start

[22:24:23]

Torg:

is it running?

[22:24:56]

AMD:

lircd: there seems to already be a lircd process with pid 5778

[22:25:12]

AMD:

so i yeh it is runnign

[22:25:34]

Torg:

when you run irw what does it say?

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AMD:

:~$ irw

[22:26:05]

AMD:

thami@Xero:~$

[22:26:15]

Torg:

as root

[22:26:35]

AMD:

Connection refused

[22:27:32]

AMD:

sudo irw

[22:27:32]

AMD:

connect: Connection refused

[22:28:48]

Torg:

that usualy means its not running

[22:28:57]

Torg:

it should connect via domain socket

[22:29:09]

AMD:

yeh

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Torg:

type netstat -a | grep lirc

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Torg:

what does that tell you?

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AMD:

nothing

[22:30:23]

Torg:

then its not running

[22:30:33]

AMD:

ahhh

[22:30:35]

Torg:

you have a stale lock file or something

[22:30:59]

AMD:

any way to sort this ?

[22:31:29]

Torg:

ps -ef | grep lirc

[22:31:31]

praet:

irw -d /dev/lirc1

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praet:

might work

[22:31:48]

praet:

ll /dev/lirc?

[22:32:01]

praet:

to find the device

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praet:

right

[22:32:28]

Torg:

whats ll?

[22:32:32]

praet:

ls -al

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AMD:

5955 5384 0 22:32 pts/0 00:00:00 grep lirc

[22:32:44]

Torg:

you aliased it?

[22:32:48]

AMD:

from ps -ef | grep lirc

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Torg:

AMD that means it isnt running

[22:33:01]

praet:

right that is your own command

[22:33:06]

AMD:

Torg: yes

[22:33:37]

praet:

sudo /etc/init.d/lircd start

[22:33:56]

praet:

er. i see you did that

[22:33:57]

praet:

oops

[22:34:26]

AMD:

sudo: /etc/init.d/lircd: command not found

[22:34:34]

AMD:

:)

[22:34:38]

praet:

AMD: try mode2

[22:34:43]

praet:

and press remote keys

[22:35:01]

AMD:

so do i just type mode2 >?

[22:35:07]

praet:

mode2

[22:35:21]

AMD:

im a noob

[22:35:23]

Torg:

time to go home, buy everyone :)

[22:35:26]

AMD:

:'(

[22:35:31]

praet:

laters Torg

[22:35:36]

AMD:

bye

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praet:

what does mode2 return

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AMD:

sudo mode2

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AMD:

mode2: error opening /dev/lirc

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praet:

ok try 'ls -al /dev/lirc*'

[22:37:23]

AMD:

i have tryed all none work

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AMD:

bash: ls -al /dev/lirc1: No such file or directory

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praet:

ok then the lirc driver didnt load properly

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praet:

ls -al /dev/lirc*

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praet:

try that

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praet:

with the wildcard

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AMD:

wild card ,sorry

[22:38:44]

rbellamy:

the wiki doesn't have anything (that i can find) about jfs... anybody here tried it, or have an educated opinion about vs. XFS (which is see is kinda the defacto standard)

[22:39:02]

praet:

rbellamy: ive heard positive results from both

[22:39:16]

praet:

if you are looking to compare try wikipedia filesystems

[22:39:18]

rbellamy:

i like the fact that jfs comes from ibm

[22:39:22]

rbellamy:

they build outstanding filesystems

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rbellamy:

praet: did that... they seem very comparable

[22:39:42]

rbellamy:

except i can't tell if you can resize jfs

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praet:

you cannot shrink.. but you can expand

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rbellamy:

which of course is pretty important, even WITH lvm

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rbellamy:

aha

[22:40:12]

rbellamy:

just like xfs

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rbellamy:

interesting

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rbellamy:

you wouldn't happen to know who built xfs?

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praet:

sgi

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rbellamy:

ah

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rbellamy:

nice

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praet:

both are very fast

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rbellamy:

<---- went to wikipedia, like he was sposed to

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Dagmar:

Which scares the hell out of anyone who has dealt with their FAM stuff

[22:41:17]

rbellamy:

:)

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praet:

AMD: try loading up lircd again

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rbellamy:

aight

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rbellamy:

thanks folks

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AMD:

sudo /etc/init.d/lircd start

[22:42:16]

AMD:

?

[22:42:26]

praet:

sudo /etc/init.d/lirc start

[22:42:46]

AMD:

Starting lirc daemon: lircd.

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praet:

ok

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praet:

irw

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praet:

and press keys on the remote

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AMD:

~$ irw

[22:43:12]

AMD:

:~$

[22:43:37]

AMD:

no luck

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praet:

error?

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AMD:

none just returns to ~$

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praet:

did it work a second ago?

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praet:

sudo irw

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AMD:

im thinking of following this guide http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC_on_Ubuntu_Edgy_Eft

[22:44:43]

praet:

by the way what remote is it a pvr-250?

[22:44:49]

praet:

captrue card/remote

[22:44:51]

AMD:

sudo irw

[22:44:51]

AMD:

connect: Connection refused

[22:44:58]

AMD:

its a usb remote

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praet:

ah

[22:45:26]

AMD:

http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/5498.jpg

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AMD:

ah ?

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praet:

mode2 -d /dev/lirc0

[22:46:53]

AMD:

mode2 -d /dev/lirc0

[22:46:53]

AMD:

mode2: error opening /dev/lirc0

[22:46:53]

AMD:

mode2: No such file or directory

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AMD:

i have also done sudo

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praet:

did you load lirc_mceusb?

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praet:

is it a phillips remote?

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AMD:

yeh

[22:48:34]

praet:

you will need to setup lirc using modules lirc_dev and lirc_mceusb2

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AMD:

MODULES="lirc_mceusb2"

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praet:

ok was that there or did you just add it?

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AMD:

from sudo nano /etc/lirc/hardware.conf

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AMD:

it was there

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praet:

k

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praet:

sudo depmod -a

[22:50:08]

AMD:

this is wire but i dont have one of theo "lirc file"

[22:50:09]

praet:

sudo modprobe lirc_mceusb2

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praet:

well you can still get the driver working

[22:50:49]

AMD:

sudo modprobe lirc_mceusb2

[22:50:49]

AMD:

FATAL: Module lirc_mceusb2 not found.

[22:50:59]

AMD:

i would be so great full if this would work

[22:51:17]

AMD:

thats not from terminal ^^

[22:51:39]

AMD:

:-P

[22:52:01]

AMD:

LOAD_MODULES=false

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praet:

ok edit your modprobe file

[22:52:17]

AMD:

where is it located ?

[22:52:23]

AMD:

plaes

[22:52:29]

praet:

for me its /etc/modprobe.conf

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praet:

/etc/modprobe.d/aliases

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praet:

try that

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AMD:

im in!

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praet:

at the bottom add

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praet:

alias char-major-61 lirc_mceusb2

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praet:

if it is already not there

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AMD:

no i only have alias usbdevfs usbcore

[22:54:40]

AMD:

dane!

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praet:

ok

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praet:

sudo depmod -a

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praet:

sudo modprobe lirc_mceusb2

[22:55:22]

AMD:

FATAL: Module lirc_mceusb2 not found.

[22:55:26]

AMD:

:(

[22:55:31]

AMD:

:)

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praet:

lsmod | grep irc

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praet:

see if it shows up

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AMD:

nothing showed up

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AMD:

is there a way i can remove this lirc and start again

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praet:

try dmesg and see what it says about lirc

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kim0:

um, I'm a newbie, anyone used knopmyth & minimyth. Mini is so much smaller, what am I missing!

[23:01:26]

Regner:

do mythtv plugins need to be installed on the mythbackend or the mythfrontend ?

[23:01:34]

praet:

knoppmyth started from knoppix live cd os, and they added things to get myth running and installable

[23:01:58]

praet:

kim0: and minimyth started from the requirements of mythtv and built up an os

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AMD:

and i looking for just lirc or the usb device too ?

[23:02:40]

kim0:

praet: but knopmyth is a 650M iso!! I mean is most of this space myth plugins being added that are not there for minimyth ?

[23:03:08]

AMD:

i cant find any thing about lirc

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praet:

kim0: that is the knoppix full live cd

[23:03:33]

kim0:

praet: any idea about the installed size

[23:03:38]

praet:

ok AMD, you should use the configure script included with lirc to set up your remote

[23:04:38]

kim0:

praet: minimyth looks appealing (I wanna install on small USB stick), but it looks like it only netboots!

[23:05:43]

AMD:

i had done that, but i think i have found some thing that could be hindering our efforts

[23:06:18]

gardengnome:

kim0: minimyth can be installed on an USB stick. however, it'll just load the compressed file system from the stick and uncrompress it into a ramdisk

[23:06:29]

praet:

kim0: minimyth is not the complete myth instal, just the frontend (to connect to another computer acting as backend)

[23:06:34]

gardengnome:

kim0: minimyth probably doesn't support all hardware

[23:06:50]

AMD:

DRIVER=""

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kim0:

oh shit .. it's not the full thing

[23:07:16]

praet:

knoppmyth can act as frontend only right off the cd, for the rest you install to the drive (backend)

[23:07:36]

praet:

i have heard in here that it is pretty painless to install.

[23:07:37]

kim0:

based on your experience, if I want myth back+front end + all plugins ... what's probably the smallest size I can get that in ? r we talking gigabytes ?

[23:07:51]

praet:

another alternitive is mythdora, using fedora as the core

[23:08:30]

kim0:

Is it realistic to get all+plugins in under 128MB ?

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dping28:

Quick question for you guys, Im thinking of building a MythBox to replace my TiVo and was wondering am I able to use my Harmony v659 with MythTv?

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praet:

kim0: the manual recommends no smaller than 40 gb (if recording)

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kim0:

praet: not talking about the recording disk ... just the boot disk (wanna boot from USB stick, then record to harddrive)

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kim0:

how large would the boot disk *need* to be

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kim0:

please gimme your best guess

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jams:

kim0- I use a 2GB partition for the OS. It's highly dependent on what you install and the distro

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jams:

dping28- yes the harmony will work with myth, However you will need to tell lirc what remote you are using.

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kim0:

jams: basically, I want a very minimal OS, with *all* myth plugins & extras

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praet:

i thnk knoppix needs 2–3 nd i would give 1–2 extra so my guess would be 3–4

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dping28:

jams: Thank you.. I will look into lirc

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praet:

i see that knoppix installed min is 2.3 Gig

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kim0:

is most of that used for myth stuff ?

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praet:

no os stuff only

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kim0:

i.e. can I pack mythall+plugins in 256MB for example if I spend time slimming down my OS ?

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praet:

dping28: lirc does support harmony remotes

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jams:

kim0- I could see it being possible IF you really know what your doing

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jams:

with a standard distro it's likely not going to happen

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kim0:

ahh .... now I need to do a lot of work :)

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praet:

maybe ask the knoppmyth team

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kim0:

that's what knopmyth should have been!

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kim0:

not just plain fat knoppix + myth!

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jams:

kim0- you could look at minimyth

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kim0:

I am ..

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kim0:

can't find a way to install it though :)

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praet:

i think anything below 700mb and you are pushing the limit

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kim0:

it seems to only netboot

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kim0:

praet: 700M .. interesting

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gardengnome:

kim0: minimyth can be installed on an USB stick. however, it'll just load the compressed file system from the stick and uncrompress it into a ramdisk

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kim0:

gardengnome: ah ... that means it will be ram hungry, eh

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praet:

what is it you are trying to do?

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gardengnome:

kim0: yep.

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kim0:

praet: I wanna have a full myth+plugins system that boots from the smallest possible USB flash stick

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praet:

aha

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kim0:

then records to removable disks

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gardengnome:

why? usb sticks are cheap

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AMD:

so will this guide work https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Edgy

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jams:

kim0- I know lots of people who have tried todo what you want. But in the end it's not worth the trouble

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praet:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Edgy

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praet:

19:19:34 jams| kim0- I know lots of people who have tried todo what you want. But in thehttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Edgy

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praet:

haha sorry

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jams:

1–2GB usb sticks are cheap

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kim0:

I see!

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jams:

myself included

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praet:

AMD: make sure you use the usb modules through that process and you should be good

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kim0:

praet: would you agree this is probably wasting effort too .. ?

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praet:

well never tried. but i like the idea

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kim0:

:)

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praet:

Beirdo may have pulled something like that off

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gardengnome:

it was greyfoxx afaik

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kim0:

I need to talk to minimyth guys then ... need to faten that a bit :)

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ben_goodger:

hi gardengnome

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jams:

kim0- if your wanting to learn, it's not a wasted effort

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kim0:

jams: yeah, but I want to be possible in the end, so it's not in vain

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ben_goodger:

did anything come of SoC2006?

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jams:

ben_goodger- no

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ben_goodger:

i.e. the commercial detection?

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ben_goodger:

:(

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kim0:

I did customize fedora before .. so I can probably do some work ...

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gardengnome:

kim0: the minimyth guy(s) are nice,.

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kim0:

gardengnome: cool .. r they on irc

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praet:

kim0: it IS possible... just needs some work

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kim0:

praet: perfect ... that's what I needed to hear

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kim0:

thanks a million

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jams:

my current setup fits on a 512MB usb flash disk, so thats good enought for me.

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gardengnome:

kim0: no, www.linpvr.org

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kim0:

jams: that looks kinda close

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kim0:

jams: how did u get that

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kim0:

gardengnome: thanks

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Regner:

how do i tell what is using up the memory on my system ?>

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Regner:

aparently i have less then 10MB free out of 1gig

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AMD:

hi,

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serfrs:

Anyone here running Ubuntu w/myth??

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Regner:

for my frontends

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serfrs:

you using openbox?

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serfrs:

I can't find out how to disable the screen blanking

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[shodan]:

why does mythfrontend support the mp4 container but not aac audio ? is there a way to enable it ?

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Regner:

no

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serfrs:

tried xset -dpms, says dpms off, no go, then tried xset s off off, still no go

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serfrs:

anyone else have any ideas?

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Regner:

i did, it dosnt want to say, every thing on the list was using almost 0 mem

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Regner:

but i am past that

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Regner:

new problem

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Regner:

how do i tell mythgallery where to look for pics

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jams:

then most of it must have been cached

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Regner:

i figured thats where it when, cache and all

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jams:

Regner- it's in the mythgallery setup

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jams:

top also would have told you how much was cached

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Regner:

..... do not have that command

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Regner:

nvm

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Regner:

its in the settings when i launch the front end

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jams:

yep

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Regner:

but I do still have one question, is the directory i set well on my front end in mythtv on the backend or on my frontend

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jams:

setup-> media settings -> image settings

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jams:

it's specific to each frontend

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Regner:

dam

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jams:

most people just make one share and then nfs mount the data across all their frontends

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Regner:

i have the folder shared with samba would that work ??

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jams:

it would

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jams:

nfs is just a bit easier to get automounting to work

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mkrufky:

janneg: it's fixed!

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Regner:

it would just mean running both because i have some windows machines i have to share files with, wich is the whole reason samba is on the machine.

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jams:

Regner- sure..my MBE runs both as well

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jams:

although I never use the smb portion

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