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Tuesday, March 13th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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nero:

Had to leave before bringing it up the other day, but does anyone know the reason behind not allowing a --disable-backend config option in svn?

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Dagmar:

last I heard it was because it doesn't build correctly.

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GreyFoxx:

And because it's intended for porting to other platforms, not for saving you 2 megs of diskspace only to gain the other issues (like missing mythtv-setup and other stuff)

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nero:

GreyFoxx, how about saving all the compile time ;)

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nero:

(thats what I am more interested in.. or is the backend a quick compile?)

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GreyFoxx:

the compiletime saved is minimal

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nero:

gotcha.. well then.. my complaints have been buried :)

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GreyFoxx:

all of the compile time is spent on the libraries that both backend and fronten d link against

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nero:

gotcha..

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GreyFoxx:

:)

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** nero remembers when Myth would compile in less than 10 minutes on his system.. lol **

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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** GreyFoxx goes to watch House **

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MegaByte:

Hello

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nero:

hia

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MegaByte:

how good is mythtv when it comes to radio streaming? Can it Can it load streams dynamically like itunes?

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nero:

MegaByte, there is no offical plugin that supports internet radio.

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GreyFoxx:

MegaByte: Not very good at all. There is not builtin official radio streaming.

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GreyFoxx:

there is a "mythstream" third party plugin for that, but I've never used it to comment on it

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nero:

there is a third party plugin called mythstream that works well.

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dustybin:

ive turned off flag commercials in my mythtv settings but mythtv keeps on flagging them!

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MegaByte:

nero: Interesting. Is it good?

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nero:

I use it.. it works well, but isnt the most user friendly of plugins.

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nero:

the other option, is a patch to mythmusic that supports streams..

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nero:

which I prefer- easier to set up, but you have to compile from source then, and need to apply the patch

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MegaByte:

nero: I'm downloading the source already. Doesn't the patch come applied?

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nero:

Nope.. its a third party patch.. let me dig up the url.

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dustybin:

if i was a C/C++ coder the first thing id attempt is a plug in called MythRadio

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GreyFoxx:

the idea behind mythstream is a good one, just none of the main devs use it to take it on

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nero:

MegaByte, here is the patch, but it is only for svn: http://www.eskil.org/mythtv/patches/shoutcast-12919.patch

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MegaByte:

nero: Shit. I got the stable source!

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nero:

so if you check out svn 12919, and patch it, it should work. Not sure if it will work with the current svn.

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nero:

MegaByte, I'd probably not suggest going svn if you a new to myth.

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nero:

give the mythstream plugin a try.

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MegaByte:

nero: Thanks, nero. You've been pretty helpful!

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nero:

^^^ mythstream plugin info

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nero:

No problem.

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GreyFoxx:

I wouldn't mind adding Apple movie trailer streaming to mythstream

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GreyFoxx:

Maybe I should install mythstream and checking it out

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nero:

GreyFoxx, not sure if it has changed, but I could never get the QT trailers to work.. :/ That was a year ago, so ymmv

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GreyFoxx:

I download them now and play them with the internal player, so it's reallyt a matter of getting the list/parsing the site and either stream them off the net or auto download in the background and play locally

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dustybin:

MegaByte: what distro are u using

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MegaByte:

dustybin: I'm using Slackware. However, I'm also developing a new distro on my own too!

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dustybin:

jeeze ok!

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GreyFoxx:

MegaByte: Fun. I did that a few years ago, was interesting to learn

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MegaByte:

GreyFoxx: oh... so what did you manage to build?

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dustybin:

im going to attempt to compile and install mythstream

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GreyFoxx:

MegaByte: had a whole system. Could be installed with packages(tarballs) or compiled from aCD. Before Gentoo came around :)

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GreyFoxx:

It was my desktop for about 6 months

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GreyFoxx:

but eventually went back home "Slackware"

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** GreyFoxx goes back to watching TV **

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MegaByte:

GreyFoxx: Why did you give up of it?

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dustybin:

i need to download the myth development package, does anybody know what version it is?

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dustybin:

libmyth-[version]-dev

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CyberKnet:

sup rob

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jams:

dustybin- that is very depenedent on what version of myth YOU have installed

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kormoc:

Mornin' CyberKnet (assuming you are talking bout me)

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CyberKnet:

kormoc: yep, yep.

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ferent:

hi guys, sometimes, mythbackend goes freeze and I can't kill it

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ferent:

and I need to restart

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CyberKnet:

kormoc: Where's you move to that it is morning?

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ferent:

my system

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ferent:

there is a solution?

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kormoc:

CyberKnet, I'm sitting on a beach in the tropics sipping a nice iced drink in the morning sunlight, far away from work and computers... in other words, no-where

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** CyberKnet compares seattle to what kormoc described **

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CyberKnet:

hmmmm

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CyberKnet:

you seen a shrink lately? ;)

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** nero wants to be where kormoc is.. :D **

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nero:

oh wait.. I'll be somewhere somewhat similar in 2 days.. woohoo!

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ferent:

nobody can help me? :(

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ferent:

c'mon guys

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kormoc:

nero, lucky :P

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ferent:

:)

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CyberKnet:

nero: very awesome ;)

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CyberKnet:

speaking of tropics...

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** CyberKnet pings Beirdo **

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nero:

if by tropical you mean Florida.. but there will be the beach, and iced drinks being sipped.. :D

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kormoc:

CyberKnet, a man can dream... :P

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CyberKnet:

kormoc: Where you're from those dreams can be dangerous... heh

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** kormoc laughs **

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CyberKnet:

kormoc: Did you know that dentists have the highest suicide rate of all professions?

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xris:

nero: he lies, don't listen to him

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xris:

kormoc, that is

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nero:

xris, yeah.. I just figured that out..

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nero:

no matter.. I'm not lying.. can't wait for Wednesday....

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nero:

;)

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** kormoc laughs **

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** CyberKnet watches yum pass 645 of 1945 packages **

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CyberKnet:

that's a lot of packages.

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nero:

yum... ack..

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CyberKnet:

I don't mind yum too much

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CyberKnet:

and the problems I have with it I had with apt-get too.

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CyberKnet:

so... much of a muchness.

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nero:

CyberKnet, some dont.. but unfortunately, yum and I dont get along too well ;)

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CyberKnet:

nero: heh. to each his own.

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CyberKnet:

kormoc: you done finked on fink

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nero:

anyone know if the OS X version of the frontend supports plugins?

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nero:

(speaking of fink)

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CyberKnet:

Nope, I have no idea.

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** kormoc smacks fink with a trout **

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CyberKnet:

I have no Mac OS X

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CyberKnet:

I am poor, and badly equipped ;)

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ByteChanger:

hi all.

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nero:

CyberKnet, welcome to the club.. ;)

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ByteChanger:

well, i got mythtv up and going... kinda... :-)

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nero:

finally.. only took.. erm.. 45 minutes to compile myth.

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CyberKnet:

nero: Oh no you don't... I'm the founding officer of THAT club =P"

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nero:

CyberKnet, were you a grad student too?? ;)

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CyberKnet:

hah. I was never even an undergrad ;)

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ByteChanger:

i've been under a few grad's... ;)

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CyberKnet:

ByteChanger: Maybe the first LNB is ticklish?

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ByteChanger:

I tried the tickle test, but it didn't laugh...

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ByteChanger:

;)

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CyberKnet:

the undergrad, or the LNB? ;)

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ByteChanger:

was thinking that maybe it is too cheap of a switch.... its a mini switch...

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CyberKnet:

Well, if the tickle doesn't succeed, I've always had good experience poking random bits.

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ByteChanger:

hopeully the undergrade is ticklish, and hopefully the LNB is not... ;)

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ByteChanger:

well, on the good side of things... mythtv is up, backend and frontend... blank screen, but its up... :)

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CyberKnet:

I had mythtv up once.

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ByteChanger:

I think something is wrong with my Twinhan tho, when I load the modules, I get a funny error...

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ByteChanger:

hehe, yea, those upgrades can get ya sometimes....

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CyberKnet:

then I thought "Hey, maybe upgrading all the way to FC6 would help..."

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CyberKnet:

next thing you know, I'm debugging code dumps on FC7 and myth is still not able to configure my capture cards... heh

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CyberKnet:

well... not quite there yet. FC6 is still installing.

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CyberKnet:

:)

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ByteChanger:

amazing how far one will delve into the code to get something working... lol

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CyberKnet:

Yeah. I'd do a lot to get myth back at this point in time. TV is sacred man.

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CyberKnet:

and the WAF goes down VERY fast when the TV doesn't work.

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ByteChanger:

hehe, i just took a break and put the dvb card into a vdr box that is working...

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onewheelskyward:

CyberKnet: I had myth working under FC6 recently. It shouldn't be too bad.

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CyberKnet:

onewheelskyward: nope, shouldn't. I thought it should have worked fine on FC5. To be honest, I didn't look too hard into why myth was not able to configure the capture card.

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onewheelskyward:

I was never that crazy about Fedora's package management. It seems to tie itself in knots on a regular basis.

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CyberKnet:

I'm looking forward to Fedora 7

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CyberKnet:

the merger of core and extras should provide a nice base.

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cheeseboy:

mike3_ you there?

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CyberKnet:

GAH! how can the yum folks think I would never want to install an older kernel than the one I have in place?

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** CyberKnet uninstalls the newer kernel first **

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alsoconfused:

CyberKnet: i think yum should do it if you specify an exact version and do an install versus update. If not, you could just rpm -i it.

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CyberKnet:

alsoconfused: I removed hte newer one and it deigned to let me install the older one

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CyberKnet:

alsoconfused: I just don't understand hte logic that says not to allow me to install concurrently two things which are able to be installed concurrently.

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alsoconfused:

agreed

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alsoconfused:

another thing i dislike about yum is there's no "download only" option

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CyberKnet:

hmmm

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CyberKnet:

if you install yumutils I think there is

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CyberKnet:

yumdownloader

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alsoconfused:

cool

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CyberKnet:

yep. not often that I get to tell someone something they don't already know.

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CyberKnet:

especially about yum.

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CyberKnet:

:P

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CyberKnet:

woohoo. I think I have a running kernel 2.6.19 and associated source.

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CyberKnet:

that would be nice.

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gonoki:

Hi all

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alsoconfused:

CyberKnet: fwiw, i never use yum to install a kernel. rpm -i will keep multiple versions.

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gonoki:

I need help setting mythtv to browse videos on a windows share

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gonoki:

I have tried mounting the share

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alsoconfused:

mythvideo?

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gonoki:

yea

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alsoconfused:

the fs is mounted?

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gonoki:

i tried mounting

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gonoki:

but i get mount error 20 = Not a directory

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gonoki:

am usinf fedora

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gonoki:

*g

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alsoconfused:

does the mountpoint exist?

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gonoki:

yes

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gonoki:

mount -t cifs //192.*.*.0.*/videoz /home/mythtv/videoz

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alsoconfused:

what's with the *'s

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alsoconfused:

?

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gonoki:

sor

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gonoki:

just the ip address of my windows box

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alsoconfused:

maybe you need a username

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gonoki:

i use guest

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gonoki:

I have been reading this

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gonoki:

but its a long way around

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gonoki:

i tried mounting share using smbfs from my suse box and it mounts ok but with funny characters

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infinity1:

any ideas why mythwelcome doesn't restart after exiting mythfrontend?

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alsoconfused:

gonoki: did you use 'guest' as a username or a mount option?

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gonoki:

guest as username

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alsoconfused:

did you also give a password?

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gonoki:

no password required

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CyberKnet:

hmm... I loaded the kernel module, it registered the device... but no keypresses

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alsoconfused:

gonoki: the syntax of that command is wrong

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gonoki:

please help

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CyberKnet:

GreyFoxx: should I see this in my dmesg: ati_remote.c: Weird data, len=1 ff 00 00 00 00 00 ...

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kgbudz:

dmesg says a lot of things...

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gonoki:

same error message

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gonoki:

mount error 20 = Not a directory

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alsoconfused:

ls -ld /home/mythtv/videoz

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kgbudz:

does /home/mythtv/videoz exist?

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gonoki:

yes

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gonoki:

drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Mar 13 00:59 /home/mythtv/videoz

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alsoconfused:

no /

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CyberKnet:

GreyFoxx: I'm getting duplicate keypresses... any suggestions where to start looking?

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gonoki:

yea it list the files on the share

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alsoconfused:

gonoki: so it listed a share called videoz ?

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gonoki:

temp Disk

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gonoki:

videoz Disk

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gonoki:

yes it did

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Duke:

Anyone having a problem with mythmusic? I cannot get "smart playlists" working.

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alsoconfused:

gonoki: try adding --verbose before the -o ...

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gonoki:

ok

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kermitthefrog917:

hey, whats the best way to play .mp4 files?

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gonoki:

mount error 20 = Not a directory

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Dagmar:

Stuff like that is why I wish it linked in gnome-vfs

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mike3_:

I'm having an odd problem. It seem when I click on a window behind a window to bring it to the front view it won't.. Is there some sort of setting that does this?

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Dagmar:

Probably that backslash was giving the shell fits

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Dagmar:

mike3_: You mean click_to_focus? That sort of thing is exclusively the domain of your window manager.

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gonoki:

hmm

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mike3_:

Dagmar, I'm using the one that Beryl uses

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Dagmar:

mike3_: That means nothing to me.

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Dagmar:

I do not recommend using Beryl with MythTV.

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Dagmar:

You will encounter enough weird crash bugs without having to deal with your WM up and dying

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mike3_:

haha opps

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Dagmar:

Generally I just use Blackbox or no window manager at all

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Dagmar:

If mythfrontend is the *only* app running, and you're not spawning any external applications, you don't need a window manager

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Dagmar:

...cuz there's only one window, so it can never lose focus.

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Dagmar:

Using mplayer externally or MythBrowser pretty much means you have to use a window manager

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gonoki:

alsoconfused is there any other way to mount shares?

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Dagmar:

gonoki: Did you try Googling to find a less problematic syntax?

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Dagmar:

gonoki: Try Googling "mounting cifs shares in Linux"

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Dagmar:

At least two of the three first hits look pretty detailed to me.

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gonoki:

yea

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gonoki:

i have

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gonoki:

easiest is to use smbfs

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gonoki:

which fedora 5 no longer supports

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Dagmar:

For this you probably don't want to use smbfs

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Dagmar:

If you use smbfs, the share is treated like a Windows95/FAT filesystem with no real access control.

[02:53:35]

Dagmar:

If you use CIFS, there is actually a chance usernames will be mapped properly to permissions.

[02:54:00]

Dagmar:

The link on the Princeton site seems to detail things well enough

[02:54:40]

Dagmar:

*definitely* use smbcliet the first time to make sure you have all the parameters correct if you haven't done this before

[02:57:24]

gonoki:

I have

[02:57:30]

gonoki:

I can browse the shares ok

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gonoki:

its just mount them

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Dr_willis:

hmm.. darn mythdora giving me no sound.

[03:05:38]

** Dr_willis checks the cables **

[03:10:58]

ByteChanger:

can you run a MythTV front end in Windoze? Or stream it to vlc or something?

[03:11:29]

charlieS_:

so how does mythtv assign backends for recording? Would I be able to tell it "use this one" for certain recordings? (i.e. I want to watch TV on one, so record on the other)

[03:11:34]

Dr_willis:

yes and yes.. and yes..

[03:11:50]

opello:

mythweb in 0.20 has a /pl/stream/channel/program which you can load into vlc

[03:11:54]

Dr_willis:

the latest mythtv has a upnp server feature also

[03:11:55]

charlieS_:

ByteChanger: myth support UPnP

[03:12:02]

Dagmar:

charlieS_: Poke around the options a bit when you're telling it to record something. You'll be amazed at what you find.

[03:12:10]

Dr_willis:

the mythtweb streamins isent that purty. :()

[03:12:15]

charlieS_:

Dagmar: okay :)

[03:12:24]

Dr_willis:

or ya could set up some samba shares and play the recorded files..

[03:12:29]

charlieS_:

but I didn't see backend selection (because I only have one right now?)

[03:12:30]

ByteChanger:

Cool. Thanks!

[03:12:33]

Dagmar:

Most of the "obviously sensible" things are already in there

[03:12:40]

ByteChanger:

i'm just starting off... :)

[03:12:42]

Dagmar:

cahrlies_: Probably so

[03:12:45]

opello:

Dr_willis: hm, why's that? i've tried it a few times and it's worked ok

[03:13:01]

Dr_willis:

opello, it dident look that good compared to say the upnp stuff

[03:13:14]

Dr_willis:

but i dident tweak it much

[03:13:17]

opello:

ah, never tried upnp anything :/

[03:13:25]

charlieS_:

Dr_willis: but then you have to have a player that can deinterlace (and a fairly quick computer) for "play from samba share"

[03:13:36]

Dr_willis:

charlieS_, yep.

[03:13:37]

nn:

where can i go on irc for info re: ReplayTV units?

[03:13:48]

Dr_willis:

i just grab the shows from the samba share to the laptop to watch at work.

[03:13:49]

Dr_willis:

:)

[03:14:14]

charlieS_:

Dr_willis: have you tried the flash player streaming module?

[03:14:24]

Dr_willis:

charlieS_, cant say that ive seen that one.

[03:14:28]

charlieS_:

mythstreamtv.. it sucks :)

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Dr_willis:

ive been fighting gettting MythDora going lately

[03:14:58]

charlieS_:

or via a script to create files you can stream: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Stream_m . . . _flash_video

[03:15:02]

Dr_willis:

for some odd reason – mythdora install dident set my password for root.. heh heh..

[03:15:06]

Dr_willis:

or for mythtv

[03:15:59]

charlieS_:

is mythdora a fedora+mythtv distro?

[03:16:18]

Dr_willis:

yep

[03:16:37]

Dr_willis:

right not im having to learn how to mount the LVM partitions it decided to default to. :()

[03:17:06]

nn:

I need to set up a myth box sometime

[03:17:28]

nn:

got a few 800mhz Set-tops

[03:17:52]

opello:

atx/mini-atx or something nicer?

[03:18:30]

nn:

opello: they're sold as thin clients, Neoware makes em

[03:18:45]

opello:

cool

[03:19:54]

nn:

problem is, ordering em from neoware they're insanely overpriced, so it leaves chance finding them at computer shows or online

[03:19:58]

onewheelskyward:

charlieS_: Does the 150 have an mpeg-2 encoder?

[03:20:03]

charlieS_:

yep

[03:20:24]

charlieS_:

I use about 10% CPU on my 2.4G P4 when recording

[03:20:38]

onewheelskyward:

Maybe it will work, no guarantees, though. It's worth a shot. I've run a pvr-350 with an AMD Athlon 1800+ with about 2% cpu while recording.

[03:20:39]

charlieS_:

so the 233 might be "just enough" I'm hoping :)

[03:21:04]

onewheelskyward:

Just make sure the hard drive/ide bus can handle the throughput.

[03:21:19]

onewheelskyward:

That's a 10 year old machine. It might be a bit flakey.

[03:21:42]

charlieS_:

it's solid.. Intel thingy. I'll give her a try.

[03:21:55]

charlieS_:

(I've been using one for my firewall for 4 years)

[03:22:12]

onewheelskyward:

Firewall is one thing, myth uses a lot of resources.

[03:22:36]

onewheelskyward:

The other thing is that old machines tend to keep running if you keep them lit...the ones that have been off for a while you might need to worry about.

[03:22:58]

** charlieS_ nods 2x **

[03:23:20]

** charlieS_ eats dinner **

[03:23:26]

onewheelskyward:

But hey, there's only one way to find out. Maybe with your help we can revise the min requirements for myth down a bit. :)

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adnick56:

Does anyone know why mythweb would show up but, with no graphics or theme at all just all the links which work... the best way to describe it is it looks like im viewing it from a text based web browser

[03:40:19]

Dagmar:

Broken file permissions

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adnick56:

ok

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adnick56:

how do i fix it

[03:42:46]

adnick56:

?

[03:43:21]

Dagmar:

You go and you look at them and you change them

[03:43:25]

Dagmar:

THis is Unix 101 stuff

[03:45:11]

onewheelskyward:

adnick56: How did you install mythweb?

[03:45:22]

adnick56:

svn

[03:45:28]

adnick56:

so i just copied it over

[03:45:45]

adnick56:

and set the permissions like the install file said to

[03:45:57]

onewheelskyward:

So if you go into the installed mythweb root...

[03:46:26]

onewheelskyward:

and move into skins/default/img, do you see the image files?

[03:48:08]

adnick56:

i dont have a skins directory

[03:48:16]

adnick56:

i thought that was kinda weird

[03:48:45]

onewheelskyward:

aah that might be the problem. Granted, I'm looking at .20, but it's probably similar.

[03:48:53]

jd99:

svn has changed a lot

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jd99:

however i do have a skins directory

[03:50:04]

onewheelskyward:

adnick56: You can view source of your mythweb homepage, and then look for that folder in your htdocs. If it's not there, you're simply missing the files.

[03:50:20]

adnick56:

ok illl look

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jpe-nyc:

I have a vanilla set up, frontend/backend and remote frontend. The local will connect with localhost, but not ip. remote wont connect at all. Not knowing enough, I am thinking it has to do with a permission somewhere. Been stuck on this all day, google is just confusing me more. any help appreciated on where to look or advice.

[03:58:59]

planktonboy:

hi all

[03:59:09]

CyberKnet:

xris?

[03:59:21]

onewheelskyward:

jpe-nyc: Did you remove the skip-networking portion of my.cnf for mysql?

[03:59:38]

CyberKnet:

what table are the recording schedules stored in these days?

[03:59:58]

jpe-nyc:

onewheel – i read about that but didnt see it let me look again, thank you

[04:00:18]

jpe-nyc:

that is in etc/mysql correct?

[04:00:20]

planktonboy:

hi onewheel

[04:00:32]

onewheelskyward:

jpe-nyc: maybe. :)

[04:00:39]

onewheelskyward:

planktonboy: Get any sleep yet?

[04:00:48]

planktonboy:

not much

[04:01:05]

planktonboy:

been kn ackered all day

[04:01:51]

planktonboy:

but fanceid a change of scene this evening so Ive been playing that game called Americas Army

[04:02:11]

planktonboy:

just got past the training tonight and been on the servers

[04:02:19]

planktonboy:

thats one heck of a game

[04:02:37]

onewheelskyward:

NEver played it...is that the army recruitment game?

[04:02:46]

planktonboy:

first time I ever played something like that...nver been much of a gamer

[04:02:48]

jpe-nyc:

there is a statement relateing to 'skip-networking' in my.conf that says 'instead of skip-networking the default is to listen on local host yad yada, then has bind-address = 127.0.0.1

[04:02:48]

planktonboy:

yes

[04:03:29]

planktonboy:

the last version for linux is 2.5 but it seems to work well with all the servers

[04:04:00]

planktonboy:

but real hard

[04:04:12]

planktonboy:

and very realistic

[04:04:13]

onewheelskyward:

jpe-nyc: Comment out skip-networking, and do you have more than one network card in your myth box?

[04:04:49]

planktonboy:

been having a little play around with the screen command too

[04:04:54]

onewheelskyward:

planktonboy: Hmm, I may have to give that a shot. :)

[04:05:12]

jpe-nyc:

only one card in the box, there is no skip-networking in my file, only the reference to it i mentioned above, should I comment out the bind address then instead?

[04:05:25]

planktonboy:

really handy command for linux when I get to figure it out more

[04:05:36]

planktonboy:

onewheel, def give that game a go

[04:05:56]

jpe-nyc:

dont get too good at that game, or they'll draft tyou...

[04:05:59]

onewheelskyward:

screen? Heck yeah it is.

[04:06:12]

onewheelskyward:

jpe-nyc: Go ahead and comment out bind-address. I don't use it.

[04:06:45]

jpe-nyc:

that game is a training ground – remember the movie the last starfighter

[04:06:57]

planktonboy:

jpe LOL

[04:07:12]

planktonboy:

anyway I got the link from this site http://techgage.com/print/top_10_free_linux_games

[04:07:32]

planktonboy:

jpe yes definately

[04:07:44]

planktonboy:

they take it quite seriously on there

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onewheelskyward:

Oh man, I love mahjong.

[04:08:14]

planktonboy:

just to see what happened I shot one of the training officers and got locked in the nick for a bit

[04:08:27]

planktonboy:

yeah mahjong is a cool game

[04:08:38]

planktonboy:

I used to play that in Hong Kong when I lived there

[04:09:13]

planktonboy:

will have to try that one out too sometime

[04:10:52]

** onewheelskyward is emerging kmahjongg **

[04:11:03]

planktonboy:

hehe

[04:11:06]

planktonboy:

cool

[04:11:23]

jpe-nyc:

commenting out bind-address didnt work. should I be rebooting between these changes or something?

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Ediehow:

i use a change channel script for STB

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planktonboy:

I've still got probs with channel 4 on myth..I just dont know what to do next, but for now I have found a workaround and that is to archive them as videos and then set thme to play with xine and that works quite well

[04:12:16]

Ediehow:

every recording has the satellite channel change thingie on startup

[04:12:34]

Ediehow:

err how do i have it always change channels awee bit before so as to not record that?

[04:12:44]

onewheelskyward:

jpe-nyc: No, but you'll need to restart mysql, and mythbackend for sure.

[04:13:00]

jpe-nyc:

edie use the offset in the recording time set it a couple ticks ahead

[04:13:12]

Ediehow:

i have to do it for each recording?

[04:13:21]

jpe-nyc:

ok... (kickin myself in the head)

[04:13:38]

planktonboy:

a bit of a bind for the simpsons as that is on every day so i will have to figure out now I can set a custom record or something like that where it does all the converting automagically

[04:14:08]

jpe-nyc:

edie – i think so

[04:14:10]

planktonboy:

but maybe will have a look at scanning again

[04:14:24]

Ediehow:

:(

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planktonboy:

also phpmyadmin made real light work of editing the db

[04:14:41]

jpe-nyc:

not for each in a series i dont hink , just the most current and the rest should follow suit

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Dr_willis:

well mythdora was a bit of a washout.

[04:17:40]

simcop2387:

mythdora?

[04:17:43]

simcop2387:

oh

[04:18:20]

xris:

CyberKnet: ?

[04:18:34]

groOgle:

Dr_willis: Right, I didn't like it too much either.

[04:18:41]

groOgle:

Dr_willis: Did you try KnoppMyth?

[04:18:46]

Dr_willis:

yep. I installed the nvidia drivers to get the tv out working.. and the colors of the themes were all messed uo

[04:19:19]

Dr_willis:

tried R5E50 yesterday (upgraded my old knopplmyth) and it had issues.. so back to R5C1 or whateverit was.. that works for me.

[04:19:55]

Dr_willis:

Hmm MythTV wants a 2gb swap partition.. thats.. odd.

[04:20:07]

xris:

Dr_willis: mythtv doesn't care

[04:20:25]

Dr_willis:

tryign the auto install.. that seems a bit HIGH for swap

[04:21:09]

planktonboy:

Dr_Willis..did you ever try ubuntu with the mythtv packages

[04:21:31]

Dr_willis:

ive seen so many people in here having problems with ubuntu and mythtv – i dietne even watn to attempt it

[04:21:32]

Dr_willis:

:)

[04:21:37]

planktonboy:

while not everones cup of tea it works quite well for me

[04:21:50]

xris:

Dr_willis: mythtv doesn't have an autoinstall

[04:22:26]

Dr_willis:

Im installing R5E1 or whatever of knoppmyth at the moment xris

[04:22:28]

planktonboy:

only prob I have is sometimes not getting channel 4 to play in myth, but I think that is an issue with either my reception or something Ive done wrong

[04:22:33]

** xris wishes that people would be clear about the differences between mythtv, knopmyth, mythdora and distro packages. **

[04:23:04]

groOgle:

Dr_willis: Interesting.

[04:23:23]

groOgle:

Dr_willis: The Nvidia drivers worked fine for me, but the system crashed in the sound driver code.

[04:23:37]

groOgle:

Dr_willis: So I'm currently using it just as a back end.

[04:23:56]

planktonboy:

anyway...I'm off to bed..need an earliish night tonight :)

[04:23:57]

groOgle:

Dr_willis: And it gave me about 600 MB swap. Maybe it depends on your RAM size.

[04:24:01]

Dr_willis:

groOgle, the sound mixer was set all wrong on Mythdora, plus i HAD to go dig out a Computer monitor just to install it.

[04:24:06]

planktonboy:

I suppose its all relative

[04:24:07]

Dr_willis:

no 'tv' option

[04:24:15]

planktonboy:

night all

[04:24:23]

Dr_willis:

got gb ram on the knoppmyth box.

[04:24:24]

groOgle:

planktonboy: Ubuntu is on my list of things to do.

[04:24:26]

Dr_willis:

1 gb. :)

[04:24:56]

xris:

Dr_willis: fyi, many distros follow the old adage of "swap == 2 x RAM"

[04:24:58]

planktonboy:

groOgle...if you do then take a look at Garry Parkers guide

[04:24:59]

groOgle:

Dr_willis: And I don't know if Ubuntu adds to the problems that people have with MythTV.

[04:25:08]

jpe-nyc:

:( still not going... gonna smoke a blunt then get back to it

[04:25:15]

Dr_willis:

groOgle, from, what ive been seeing asked.. theres a lot of little issues.

[04:25:16]

clever:

2gig of swap is insane:P

[04:25:23]

clever:

yet i had a 17gig swap file a month ago

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groOgle:

planktonboy: URL?

[04:25:40]

planktonboy:

http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php

[04:25:52]

planktonboy:

I followed that guide mostly

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groOgle:

planktonboy: Thanks.

[04:26:07]

clever:

xris: i think something more like ram+swap==x with x being a static value would be better for finding the swap size

[04:26:20]

planktonboy:

but obviously got pointers from many others and of course ubuntu has an official mythtv guide

[04:26:33]

clever:

formula can be tweaked to x-ram=swap and still get identical effect

[04:26:37]

planktonboy:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV

[04:26:40]

xris:

clever: general rule these days is min(ram * 2, 1 gb)

[04:26:54]

clever:

what if you have 1gig of ram?

[04:27:03]

clever:

that rule will comeout to 2gig of swap:P

[04:27:05]

planktonboy:

well...worth a thought

[04:27:16]

onewheelskyward:

clever: No it won't, it's the lesser of the two.

[04:27:16]

xris:

clever: no, it would be 1gb

[04:27:22]

clever:

ahhh

[04:27:26]

xris:

double the RAM, or 1 gig, whichever is smaller

[04:27:31]

clever:

yeah

[04:27:34]

xris:

or.. double the ram, but never more than a gig

[04:27:34]

clever:

i see it now

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onewheelskyward:

For desktops that should work fine. Servers are another story.

[04:27:59]

clever:

if you have lvm though

[04:28:03]

clever:

you can add a spare 1gig lv

[04:28:08]

clever:

and mkswap it and swapon

[04:28:14]

Captain_Murdoch:

if you have a server that is swapping, you need to buy more memory

[04:28:16]

clever:

adding an extra gig when you need some NOW

[04:28:23]

xris:

Captain_Murdoch: that's also a good rule

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** xris likes that the new servers at work support up to 128 gb of RAM **

[04:28:40]

planktonboy:

the one thing that I wish that I could get running is that patch for mythmusic that someones been working on to get Project M visualization effect working as one of the options in it

[04:28:41]

clever:

my laptop swaps like heck when starting mythfrontend

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clever:

but once the swapping is finished

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clever:

its able to play a video without any hdd activity

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Captain_Murdoch:

xris: nice.

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onewheelskyward:

xris: What platform is that?

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planktonboy:

but then that would mean recompiling mythmusic and may not even work that well

[04:29:11]

clever:

it seems to be loading ALOT of somewhat unneeded stuff into ram

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clever:

and then swapping it out

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clever_:

total used free shared buffers cached

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clever_:

Mem: 256160 217216 38944 0 4432 55280

[04:29:31]

clever_:

-/+ buffers/cache: 157504 98656

[04:29:31]

clever_:

Swap: 746980 522064 224916

[04:29:55]

planktonboy:

that ProjectM visuals program is awesome

[04:30:07]

planktonboy:

based on milkdrop

[04:30:13]

xris:

onewheelskyward: http://www.siliconmechanics.com/i8473/quad-opteron-server.php

[04:30:16]

clever_:

total used free shared buffers cached

[04:30:17]

clever_:

Mem: 256160 228416 27744 0 4740 80312

[04:30:17]

clever_:

-/+ buffers/cache: 143364 112796

[04:30:17]

clever_:

Swap: 746980 232764 514216

[04:30:17]

** nero likes the 512gig 'o ram machine at his work.. ;) **

[04:30:25]

clever:

mild flood but its over:)

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planktonboy:

I'd do anything to get that running from wothin myth

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planktonboy:

hi clever

[04:30:41]

nero:

(bluegene, 2048 node machine.. anyone need commercials flagged?? :p)

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onewheelskyward:

xris: Aah the things you can do with on chip memory management.

[04:30:57]

clever:

closing the frontend caused a major drop in swap usage

[04:31:01]

clever:

and free'ed up alot of ram

[04:31:05]

xris:

onewheelskyward: needs its own power plant, though. lol

[04:31:20]

onewheelskyward:

+xris: hehe, yeah I bet.

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xris:

onewheelskyward: clocked wattage on some db servers going to linden labs and they were running 735 watts under load

[04:32:03]

clever:

xris: i think ive seen those servers before

[04:32:12]

clever:

my dad works with something that looks/sounds like it

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xris:

clever: I think the case manufacturer is Uniwide

[04:32:15]

clever:

quad core

[04:32:19]

clever:

2gig of ram each

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clever:

3 in a box

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clever:

several ghz per core

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clever:

massive ammounts of power

[04:32:52]

clever:

gigabit networking

[04:33:08]

planktonboy:

now that would be a nice xmas gift

[04:33:17]

clever:

it could handle 3 framegrabber cards on 1 box without a problem id think

[04:33:20]

onewheelskyward:

What's the catchphrase for 10,000 base-T networking?

[04:33:37]

clever:

10gigabit?:P

[04:33:49]

planktonboy:

anyways...night all

[04:33:53]

planktonboy:

cya tomorrowe

[04:33:56]

onewheelskyward:

C'mon, we can do better than that. I want to say terabit but that's technically inaccurate.

[04:33:57]

planktonboy:

:))

[04:34:00]

onewheelskyward:

later plankton!

[04:34:27]

sandeen_:

can anyone remind me how to switch tuners for live tv...

[04:34:31]

sandeen_:

I hit "c" and get the current tuner

[04:34:34]

sandeen_:

how do I go to another?

[04:34:37]

onewheelskyward:

I think it's Y.

[04:34:46]

xris:

clever: yes. I'm hoping to get a dual quad-core xeon (or a quad dual-core xeon) for my main db/web box at work.

[04:34:52]

xris:

it's really nice when the hardware is free. :)

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sandeen_:

onewheelskyward, ooooh that worked thanks :)

[04:35:02]

clever:

id like to have uniq recording profiles per livetv+frontend

[04:35:07]

onewheelskyward:

sandeen_: Thank the channel. I remembered that answer from a few days ago. :)

[04:35:25]

clever:

when using the fe on the be box i want to use livetv and rtjpeg

[04:35:29]

onewheelskyward:

+xris: You're going to make me cry.

[04:35:33]

clever:

but when using a remote frontend and livetv i want mpeg4

[04:35:45]

xris:

onewheelskyward: intel gives us a lot of demo procs that we can't sell

[04:36:08]

xris:

you're only allowed to be jealous if they actually let me take some home (which I can't)

[04:36:43]

clever:

my fe+be cant handle playing and recording to mpeg4 at once

[04:36:50]

clever:

but works fine with rtjpeg

[04:36:58]

xris:

clever: I know the feeling.

[04:36:59]

clever:

but i need mpeg4 for streaming over the network

[04:37:11]

xris:

clever: save up and get a pvr-150

[04:37:21]

clever:

atm im just setting recording rules to catch the programs and mpeg4 them

[04:37:33]

clever:

then i watch them from the laptop while it records

[04:37:40]

clever:

i make 0$/month

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clever:

in 2 months my cash wont be any higher

[04:37:53]

clever:

cant exactly 'save' up

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clever:

my cash just slowly goes down over time

[04:39:12]

xris:

clever: no allowance?

[04:39:27]

clever:

what would i get paied for?

[04:39:32]

clever:

all i do is eat and sleep

[04:39:35]

clever:

:P

[04:39:59]

xris:

clever: dunno. most parents at least make their kids do some chores.

[04:40:19]

clever:

takes my dad hours-days to get me to do chores:P

[04:40:25]

clever:

sometimes all day just to get me to shower

[04:40:54]

clever:

my hamper of dirty clothes is so full the handles are breaking off from the weight

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onewheelskyward:

Ok, I officially feel old. hehe

[04:41:00]

xris:

clever: I can't feel sorry for you, then.

[04:41:11]

xris:

onewheelskyward: I turn 30 on saturday.

[04:41:20]

onewheelskyward:

I turned 30 last august. :)

[04:41:24]

xris:

heh

[04:41:24]

clever:

the wall at the foot of my bed was brown from the sweat and oils from just having my feet touching it for years

[04:41:42]

clever:

the wall by my lightswitch was a similar shade of brown

[04:41:49]

xris:

onewheelskyward: I got a nice $2k tax refund and have to spend the entirety of it on a new roof.

[04:41:50]

clever:

I am 19.975319 years old. (I'll be 20 in 1wk 2days 18mins 18secs.)

[04:42:00]

onewheelskyward:

Yay! D'oh!

[04:42:01]

** groggly feels old. **

[04:42:11]

clever:

theres shingles littered all over my yard

[04:42:16]

clever:

from the house and shed nextdoor

[04:42:27]

xris:

onewheelskyward: on the bright side, I'll be a 30 year old with a hot 20-something-year-old wife. :)

[04:42:31]

onewheelskyward:

Does xris live next door to you?

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clever:

lol

[04:42:48]

clever:

not shure

[04:42:59]

clever:

he might be the n00b nextdoor with a open wifi router:P

[04:43:06]

clever:

and a default password on it

[04:43:15]

onewheelskyward:

I love that.

[04:43:25]

clever:

i looked at the status page

[04:43:31]

clever:

identical model to my wifi router

[04:43:33]

clever:

newer firmware

[04:43:41]

clever:

newer then the site even provides

[04:43:46]

xris:

clever: nope. my wife's AP is locked down tight.

[04:44:04]

clever:

i was over at a friends last week

[04:44:09]

clever:

and he is a comp n00b

[04:44:14]

** xris has been a sysadmin for too long to worry about that kind of thing... and I'm not even paid to be one anymore. **

[04:44:23]

clever:

there where several problems on his pc which he couldnt fix

[04:44:27]

onewheelskyward:

xris, that sysadmin in you never dies.

[04:44:31]

clever:

and he was amazed as how i fixed them in 10 seconds

[04:44:48]

clever:

i was a bit surprised at the fact his router has wep enabled

[04:45:05]

clever:

when he gave me the sheet with the wep key so i could get online i found out why

[04:45:13]

clever:

router arrived with the wep allready enabled

[04:45:37]

clever:

isp turned wep on and fed in the name/pw for him and put it all on a sheet of paper

[04:46:06]

xris:

onewheelskyward: yup. but kormoc is trying (he got that part of my job)

[04:46:11]

onewheelskyward:

That's great on the ISP's part.

[04:46:19]

** groggly has two open APs too. **

[04:46:19]

clever:

but i was able to sit on his couch in the living room and crack at his router for 2 hours before he noticed and gave me the wep key:P

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clever:

i think his laptop was transmiting in G so i wasnt getting all the packets

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clever:

was only hearing the routers side of the convoes

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onewheelskyward:

+xris: It's nice to move on. Are you doing development now? Management?

[04:47:08]

xris:

onewheelskyward: was always a developer

[04:47:16]

xris:

onewheelskyward: was just a small company so I also did SA stuff

[04:47:21]

xris:

now I do dev and some management

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xris:

I was employee #8. we now have 62+

[04:47:37]

clever:

i fix things for friends online and offline

[04:47:44]

clever:

mostly for free

[04:47:58]

clever:

but today i went to a friend and asked him to donate a bit to my paypal

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xris:

heh

[04:48:20]

clever:

was about 3$ short for an online game payment and it would have expired by the time it transfered from a real bank act

[04:48:39]

clever:

tryed to guilt him into donating by pointing out the free service i gave him in the past

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xris:

fyi, I'm hiring... so if there are any php/mysql types in the seattle area who are looking for a low/mid level job.

[04:48:52]

clever:

wound up getting double what i asked for:P

[04:49:04]

clever:

i know php and mysql

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groggy:

xris: Ask Brian Aker.

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onewheelskyward:

+xris: I love startups.

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clever:

and im stuck up in eartern canada:P

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xris:

groggy: ?

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xris:

onewheelskyward: company is going on 7–8 now. not really a startup.

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groggy:

xris: Brian's in the Seattle area and is a hot shot with MySQL.

[04:50:01]

onewheelskyward:

Yeah it starts to lose it's charm somewhere around 20. :)

[04:50:18]

xris:

groggy: plenty of overqualified people.. I need someone who will work for cheap, too. :)

[04:50:46]

groggy:

xris: OK. I wasn't really serious.

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clever:

lol

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xris:

groggy: gotcha

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kormoc:

xris, now now, you told me to take the SA job :P

[04:51:08]

xris:

I found kormoc through this channel, so it wouldn't be a first.

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nn:

i do need to find a new job soon..

[04:51:28]

clever:

whoa just looked up seattle on googlemaps

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nn:

.mil transition blah

[04:51:34]

clever:

wrong side of the continent:P

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kormoc:

xris, true 'nuff

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xris:

clever: huh? you didn't know where seattle was?

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clever:

im not an expert at maps and stuff like that:P

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CyberKnet:

hmm... found the recording schedules

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kormoc:

xris, he's a cannuk

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xris:

kormoc: ahh

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CyberKnet:

somehow I ended up with everything recording from the wrong chanid

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CyberKnet:

very bad ju-ju

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clever:

and im not from the us:P

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clever:

5400 km from my town to seattle

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CyberKnet:

just now did a mythfilldatabase --refresh-all

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clever:

long drive:P

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onewheelskyward:

What's a km?

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nn:

clever: i am :P

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nn:

(map expert)

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CyberKnet:

onewheelskyward: hah

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clever:

1km==1000meters

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onewheelskyward:

That doesn't help me. I'm an american. :)

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xris:

clever: sounds like you're in a nice area, then.

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CyberKnet:

onewheelskyward 1inch = ~2.5cm ... 100cm in a meter

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Dr_willis:

Egads an American! how sick! :)

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clever:

acording to google maps its a 2day 5hour drive

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** xris is technically american, but grew up outside of the US **

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clever:

not shure if its inserting breaks+sleep or not

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** Dr_willis is in Indiana. :) about as middle of america as ya can get. **

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onewheelskyward:

I've driven from washington DC to LA in 50 hours. That's about right.

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** CyberKnet is technically australian, but is residing in the US **

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** clever was born in canada **

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clever:

and ive never left NA as far as i can remember

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ByteChanger:

can someone tell me why my svn's seem to fail all the time...

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xris:

ByteChanger: your svn's what?

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xris:

(and I mean that both in the grammatical sense and in the "what is failing?" sense)

[05:05:43]

ByteChanger:

well, sometimes I have to do a svn co http://opensvn.csie.org/... ...

[05:05:51]

ByteChanger:

but they never seem to work.

[05:06:04]

ByteChanger:

I checked and have the latest subversion installed...

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xris:

not really the right channel to ask in.. #svn might be better

[05:06:43]

ByteChanger:

ah cool. thanks.

[05:06:50]

xris:

or the channel for the app that you're having trouble with, since it could very well be that the server is just having issues.

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trend:

hello

[05:21:39]

trend:

anyone know how to transmit on the coax cable?.. aka I want to be able to view my mythvox on channel 3 or 4 or something on my home coax network

[05:21:45]

Duke:

I have 2 questions for myth experts out there...

[05:23:20]

Duke:

trend: you would need a transmitter card... not sure where to pick one up

[05:23:53]

trend:

have you seen them though?

[05:23:55]

nn:

whos the hot ass little dark haired girl on that 70s show?

[05:24:42]

Duke:

trend: do you have any alternate options... while there may be transmitter cards I would think they are expensive

[05:25:42]

clever:

trend: i have a box which takes composite in and puts out coax channel 3

[05:26:00]

clever:

meant to view composite+audio on a tv without needing those inputs on it

[05:27:11]

trend:

i need one :)

[05:27:17]

trend:

and how much was it/is it

[05:27:26]

clever:

there at allmost any store id think

[05:27:28]

** clever looks **

[05:28:01]

Duke:

trend/clever: true... Viewsonic makes such a box, I have used one successfully before...

[05:28:23]

Duke:

I think they are around $100-$200

[05:28:41]

clever:

mine i thik is way cheaper:P

[05:28:43]

clever:

<30

[05:30:40]

clever_:

http://www.connectworld.net/iecnet/images/jpeg/ADP5100.jpg

[05:31:02]

clever:

cable and composite go in

[05:31:07]

clever:

cable comes out

[05:31:19]

trend:

rf modulator!! yeah.. that is what i need to google

[05:31:22]

clever:

if theres no composite signal it just sends the other channels right thru

[05:31:24]

trend:

cool, thanks!

[05:32:10]

clever_:

the small thumbnail there is exactly the box i have

[05:32:18]

clever_:

original fullsize on the site is missing

[05:32:46]

clever_:

http://www.softwareandstuff.com/media/CES10280_LG.jpg

[05:32:49]

trend:

i wonder how many TVs I could transmit to

[05:32:52]

clever_:

theres a better one:)

[05:33:03]

clever_:

theres also rf amps which just boost the cable signal

[05:33:14]

clever_:

normaly used so the 1 line to your house can feed several tv's

[05:33:26]

trend:

oh cool

[05:33:34]

trend:

i might need to run 500tvs :/

[05:33:40]

trend:

i guess super power rf amp

[05:33:48]

clever_:

lol:D

[05:33:49]

clever_:

also

[05:33:54]

clever_:

if you go into any walmart

[05:33:57]

clever_:

and goto the tv section

[05:34:01]

clever_:

youll see a wall of tv's

[05:34:09]

clever_:

and a few of those amps on the wall/shelf

[05:34:15]

clever_:

boosting the signal so it can go to that many

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trend:

ohh

[05:34:31]

clever_:

just point to it and say i want one of those:P

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trend:

well... my walmarts use VGA now they have all flat screens

[05:34:51]

clever_:

lol

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trend:

you have helped me out a ton though!!

[05:35:07]

clever_:

my local walmart still sells crt tv's:P

[05:37:01]

clever_:

http://www.thetwistergroup.com/store/image.ph . . . EPH61111.JPG

[05:37:07]

Dagmar:

WalMart doesn't stock signal boosters like that tho'

[05:37:08]

clever_:

that looks allmost identical to the amp i have

[05:37:24]

clever_:

Dagmar: bring a screw driver and rip one off the wall then:P

[05:37:32]

clever_:

maybe slap a pricetag from a tv on it

[05:37:42]

trend:

lol

[05:37:57]

clever_:

http://www.antennaperformance.com/subcatagori . . . ategoryID=62

[05:38:02]

clever_:

that gives more details on what it is

[05:38:10]

Duke:

anyone know how to make myth record from firewire and s-video output from same tuner without getting program conflicts???

[05:38:18]

nn:

clever_: why composite?

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nn:

going composite to RF (coax) you'll lose the gains of composite

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clever:

trend's tv output on mythtv probly isnt coas output

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Dagmar:

Duke: Why would you record from s-video if you have firewire?

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clever:

trend wanted to feed mythtv into over 500 tv;s

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clever_:

not shure why:P

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Dagmar:

There should not _be_ conflicts _if you configured things correctly._

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nn:

err composite, sorry im thinking component :)

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clever:

lol

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Duke:

well in some cases channels have 5C encryption... so I have to use the s-video port (yuck) to get any output

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nn:

composite to RF is like 20$

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nn:

walmart sells them

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

Dagmar says otherwise though:P

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nn:

too bad no walmart in nyc

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Duke:

my cable-box basically blocks output to firewire on "pay" channels

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Dagmar:

Duke: So define *two* sources. Delete the unencrypted channels from one, bind it to s-video. Delete the encrypted channels from the other, bind it to firewire. problem solved.

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clever:

how will it know not to record from both at once?

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Dagmar:

Because it wouldn't ask questions that dim

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Dagmar:

One tuner.

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clever:

wont they be added as 2 seperate input cards?

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Duke:

Did that... running that way now. But the problem is... what if there are two programs on at the same time... one on the firewire and one on the s-video. Myth has no way of knowing that they use the same tuner for input.

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Dagmar:

ffs yes it does

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clever:

Duke: we think alike:P

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trend:

will it screw things up if I broadcast on channel 3 if something else is already on channel 3?

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Duke:

The problem I have is... it does record from both at once and it ends up clobbering one.

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trend:

does my rf modulator just overwrite it I assume

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clever:

trend: most rf modulators will disconnect the input cable wire when running

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nn:

sunnuvabitch

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Dagmar:

trend: No, it will "heterodyne", which is a fancy way of saying "screw up"

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clever:

so you get what you want on chan 3 and all other channels are dead

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trend:

oh crap.. not good

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Dagmar:

If you make sure the RF modulator is never trying to "overwrite" an existing signal, you won't have a problem

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nn:

Actually

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clever:

ive seen other more complex devices which are made to mix into an existing cable

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Dagmar:

If you get a _cheap_ RF modulator, it's just going to try to squirt things into the existing signal

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clever:

letting you make your own cable provider

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clever:

and add multiple channels at once into a cable

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nn:

Dagmar: the 20$ ones at walmart work fine

[05:45:05]

Dagmar:

The ones with a switch that disconnects the 'usual' RF cable will

[05:45:19]

Dagmar:

I woudln't trust the 'auto-switching' ones any farther than I can throw the average walmart employee

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clever:

mine seems to auto disconnect the normal rf signal

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Dagmar:

At least they have a reasonable return policy

[05:45:46]

clever:

also the tvout card is allways sticking out a signal so the box doesnt shut off

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trend:

but I can most definitly find one that will just inject one channel ? and not screw up the rest?

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clever:

was having to unplug the wire to get normal cable thru it

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nn:

trend: not very easily

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Duke:

So does anyone know of a way to tell Myth that Firewire-input and Svideo-input are from the same tuner and to not record overlapping programs??

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mkasson:

Compiling mythtv and I get these errors: /usr/include/ft2build.h:56:38: error: freetype/config/ftheader.h: No such file or directory

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mkasson:

and: ttfont.h:72: error: â€˜FT_Libraryâ€™ does not name a type

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Duke:

did you install freetype-devel ??

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mkasson:

I installed libttf2 cause that's what the readme refers to

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Duke:

you probably need libttf2-devel package too... the devel pkgs have the headers

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mkasson:

in debian theres freetype0-dev and freetype1-dev

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clever:

on ubuntu its the libfreetype6-dev pckage

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clever:

apt-file is great

[05:55:42]

clever:

all i did was search all packages for ftheader.h and i foudn the answer

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mkasson:

ah,yes I'm acutally using ubuntu

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mkasson:

that is clever. how do you search packages for files/

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mkasson:

?

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Duke:

ka-ching

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Dagmar:

mkasson: Congrats. You now have two incompatible versions of freetype installed

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clever:

apt-get install apt-file

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clever:

apt-file update

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clever:

apt-file search ftheader.h

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xris:

clever: apt-cache doesn't do the same thing?

[05:56:48]

clever:

apt-cache only searches package names/descriptions

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clever:

apt-file can search the filelist within a package

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robbins876:

I downloaded a concert video and want to watch it in myth, the problem is that all of the songs are split up so it shows like 20 files when i browse in myth... is there anyway i can just have it show the first file in mythvideo? It automatically moves to the next section anyway, it's just annoying having so many files show up in my video broswer

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xris:

ah

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mkasson:

Dagmar, do you know which one I should remove please?

[05:57:16]

Dagmar:

mkasson: THe one with the zero in the name

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clever:

also apt-file has to dl extra from EVERY package to see what they contain

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clever:

beyond the normal summary that other things need

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Dagmar:

Or more likely all of them including the one you installed, and then just install the one your package manager thinks is correct

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mkasson:

Dagmar, thank you.

[05:58:12]

Dagmar:

robbins876: Dude, if you actually go into MythVideo you will see the options for a file that let you tell it to *not* show it in the index, and on each you can tell it which one to play immediately afterwards

[05:58:57]

clever:

Dagmar that would be nice if i had knwon of it last week:P

[05:59:02]

clever:

went thru about 10 avi files

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clever:

mythvideo sorted them in the gallery though so it wasnt too much work

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Dagmar:

It's been right there in the info dialogs for Mythvideo since at least 0.19

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clever:

never bothered trying to open the info:P

[05:59:39]

clever:

i just select a file and hit enter twice

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Dagmar:

I never use anything but the view that shows one item per screen, so it might ignore that for gallery mode

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nn:

wow

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clever:

ive been seeding a file from a dvd for a while with 0 seeds/peers

[06:01:38]

clever:

and my dvd drive just came to life without warning

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clever:

found a peer:P

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Dagmar:

I've got a few two-parter shows that I transcoded and put into MythVideo, so after I made little graphics for them I noticed the options to show/not-show and to chain playback

[06:03:13]

clever:

i still have blank thumbnail images for all my shows in mythvideo

[06:03:28]

clever:

but i can probly make a script using mplayer to extract frame 5 from the video easily

[06:03:45]

Dagmar:

I usually go dig up whatever stuff I cna on the web and Gimp something together

[06:04:17]

clever:

would just need to mod mythvideo to run the thumbnailer script xyz on files of type avi

[06:04:25]

clever:

no idea how much work that would be:P

[06:04:53]

clever:

also to cache the files one of the programs will need to gen a uniq name for each file

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clever:

either based on lastmod+name or contents

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clever:

md5suming the entire file may be too slow and overkill though

[06:07:38]

Dagmar:

Ah just grab some bytes from somewhere near the middle of the file and hash those

[06:07:51]

Dagmar:

Or a mb or two in

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clever:

you could hash the first 4kb of data

[06:08:08]

clever:

or first 1–2mb

[06:08:18]

clever:

which will cover the part used by the thumbnailer also

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Dagmar:

Probably hashing more than 1K or so would be overkill

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clever:

if you change something later on the thumnial and gen'ed name would still be the same

[06:09:17]

** clever looks at making a script to sum the first 1024 bytes using dd and md5sum **

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mkasson:

ok, installed the "right" freetype, but I'm still getting that error. also ttfont.h has some include statements without quotes or <brackets>

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onewheelskyward:

clever: that won't be accurate enough. You're better off with a random reproducable.

[06:10:06]

onewheelskyward:

In some cases, the first portion of the file is simply an identification header.

[06:10:19]

onewheelskyward:

whoops..I meant a random reproducable sample.

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clever:

but would the first 1mb be enough to pass the header?

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onewheelskyward:

It should be, as far as I know.

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clever:

$calc(1024*1024) == 1048576

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clever:

minisum [DB]_Bleach_116_[F489D4E8].avi

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clever:

9eea2a6760d4b5ea93ca6b511bcc737d

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onewheelskyward:

I'd have to look at the actual video files to be sure, but I'd be shocked if the header was a meg.

[06:12:36]

clever:

cat ~/bin/minisum

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clever:

#!/bin/sh

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clever:

dd if=$1 bs=1024 count=1024 2>/dev/null |md5sum -|cut -d -f1

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Dagmar:

Considering I've got lots of little 50–100K mpeg files, it damn well better be more than the header

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** clever hashes a large number of files to see if i get any dup's which i shouldnt **

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clever:

lol

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clever:

also i need to see how the pasted code handles a 50k file:P

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clever:

when trying to read 1024 1k blocks

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clever:

hashing away....

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mkasson:

would someone take a look at compiler result please? http://pastebin.ca/392965

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clever:

11seconds

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clever:

odd

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clever:

was expecting a longer delay to read the firstmb from over 50 files

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clever:

mostly over nfs

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clever:

xargs: unmatched single quote; by default quotes are special to xargs unless you use the -0 option

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onewheelskyward:

mkasson: It looks like the freetype dev headers aren't installed.

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Dagmar:

...and you don't just grab a set at random

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clever:

ls needs to escape/quote the filenames

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JoeyJoeJo:

theres no card that will take component video in, will it?

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Dagmar:

Not any cheap ones that I know of

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mkasson:

appears /usr/include/freetype2/freetype/* has the stuff. but prog is looking for it elsewhere.

[06:16:54]

clever:

Dagmar: i think the ati allinwonder will take MANY in and out

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clever:

ive heard something about it not working wll in linux though

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JoeyJoeJo:

dagmar: by not cheap, I guess you mean they're for industry rather than consumers?

[06:17:18]

Dagmar:

Pretty much

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JoeyJoeJo:

dang

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clever:

Dagmar: adding -Q to ls seems to have fixed the problem

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Dagmar:

Consumers typically do not record from composite sources

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clever:

its quoting every filename now

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Dagmar:

er component sources

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Dagmar:

clever: You don't need to tell me command line options to ls. I read the man page over a decade ago.

[06:18:23]

clever:

do consumers even use firewire that uch outside of tivo?

[06:18:26]

JoeyJoeJo:

dagmar: yeah, I figured.. I was trying to find some way to record from my directv HD receiver

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trend:

clever Dagmar thanks many times for your help!

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Dagmar:

clever: Mainly with dv cameras

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trend:

I am out

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clever:

Dagmar: i also read the manpage for ls a while ago but didnt memorize t all:P

[06:18:58]

clever:

Dagmar: ahh yeah didnt think of that

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Dagmar:

clever: -F will also be handy on occasion

[06:19:47]

clever:

yeah ive seen that on some unix like boxes

[06:19:52]

clever:

seemed to be a default

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Dagmar:

clever: You gotta get familiar with ls's options when you're trying to keep warez kids out of your servers

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kormoc:

I like -v the most

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clever:

i use ls -ltr and ls -lShr the most

[06:20:20]

clever:

i sometimes add or remove the h

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onewheelskyward:

-v would help me clear out /usr/portage/distfiles.

[06:20:30]

clever:

ls -lut is also usefull

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clever:

when i need a special listing i consult the man page and memoruze the needed options

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Dagmar:

-Q is handy when you're trying to figure out what obscene combination of special characters were used in a filename so you can dump it with tar for forensic purposes

[06:21:13]

clever:

and forget the others:P

[06:21:31]

onewheelskyward:

I've created those files accidently using vi. :)

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Dagmar:

Like, how many times have you seen a file named up-arrow,linefeed,tab,tab,..

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clever:

i was using --quote-style for this but i just spoted -Q which is easyer to type:P

[06:21:44]

clever:

onewheelskyward: me too

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clever:

got a file called ^? once

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clever:

backspace was messed up

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clever:

and i tryed to backspace a typo on :w

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clever:

wound up saving to backspace:P

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kormoc:

cat /dev/urandom | xargs touch

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Dagmar:

eek

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clever:

LOL

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onewheelskyward:

haha

[06:22:31]

Dagmar:

That's just wrong

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kormoc:

:P

[06:22:49]

onewheelskyward:

Almost as fun as telling the kids to telnet to 127.0.0.1 before networking was a household word.

[06:22:56]

kormoc:

yeah, I only ever did that to one person, and they deserved it :P

[06:22:57]

Dagmar:

I never told them to telnet to it

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jakeisawake:

lol

[06:23:13]

Dagmar:

I'd send them files named CLOCK$ over DCC that referred to it

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clever:

ive heard of a script kiddie asking for an ip

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clever:

and being given and killing 127.0.0.1

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robbins876:

Dagmar: When I do the "toggle browsable/non-browsable" option, they still show up in the browser

[06:23:32]

clever:

killed his own pc with his hack&format script

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Duke:

hehee -har

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Dagmar:

robbins876: They should not show up in the view that lists one item per screen. I don't know about hte rest because I don't use them. If they're still showing up and they shouldn't feel free to file a bug report on it

[06:24:18]

clever:

dd if=/dev/urandom count=100 bs=1|grep A || rm -rf /

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clever:

i think that will kill the pc only if A is found in 100 random bytes

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robbins876:

Dagmar: That's the one I'm in, and it's causing issues... where do I report that bug?

[06:24:39]

clever:

who wants to play rm roulet?:P

[06:24:50]

Dagmar:

robbins876: geez. trac.mythtv.org probably

[06:25:08]

clever:

Dagmar read/test my cmd:P

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clever:

testing it on a livecd cant cause any harm

[06:25:18]

Dagmar:

clever: For awhile I had reverse DNS control, so I'd be online with a host that would resolve to 127.0.0.1

[06:25:21]

jakeisawake:

lol

[06:25:25]

jakeisawake:

man thats hilarious

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Dagmar:

That was about as far as I bothered

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clever:

Dagmar: lol nice

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mkasson:

I had to cp /usr/include/freetype2/freetype/* to /usr/include/freetype (after making the dir). maybe having two freetypes caused the numbering?

[06:25:51]

clever:

i had problems when i started running an irc server

[06:26:03]

clever:

another irc server's dns detected connect floods

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onewheelskyward:

mkasson: Maybe. There might have also been a way to tell configure where to find the proper libs.

[06:26:04]

Dagmar:

mkasson: more like "distro maintainers need to learn how to not move headers around"

[06:26:10]

clever:

and to block the connect flood returned 127.0.0.1

[06:26:13]

robbins876:

trac.mythtv.org isn't a website

[06:26:18]

clever:

which droped me on the wrong network(mine)

[06:26:32]

Dagmar:

Oh, sorry, svn.mythtv.org

[06:27:11]

Dagmar:

What they should have done is return the IP address of a DALnet server.

[06:27:18]

mkasson:

I've compiled it with ubuntu before, but the other software also loaded always changes, so hard to say.

[06:27:19]

clever:

my minisum script is still suming away

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clever:

its a bit of overkill having to sum ALL files

[06:28:06]

clever:

would be better for mythvideo to just sum the ones onsncreen when getting the thunmnails

[06:28:09]

echosyp:

mythtv is compatable with a sligbox right?

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echosyp:

slingbox*

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echosyp:

cause, i work at circuit city, and i want to be prepaired for HD should i decide to get it

[06:29:11]

echosyp:

as far as i know the other tv tuner we have isn't linux compatable

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kormoc:

echosyp, there's always firewire

[06:30:30]

clever:

yay its finished

[06:30:36]

echosyp:

sup kormoc, this laptop doesn't have firewire ports, though i guess i could get a pcmcia card for that

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clever:

13mins to hash the first 1mb of ALL my indexed avi files

[06:31:17]

clever:

Dagmar: doh

[06:31:21]

clever:

no filenames on the list:P

[06:31:37]

clever:

but i do have several hash colisions

[06:31:48]

clever:

could simply be identical files/symlinks

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clever:

edited to output the filenames also so i can track the dups down

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echosyp:

kormoc, the deal is this, i don't have an HD tv, or HD service, right now i seem to have free tv, so until someone figures it out, im just gonna keep that so i don't have to pay anything

[06:34:59]

echosyp:

i suppose if i get HD im gonna have to have some sort of cablebox

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Dagmar:

Oh for fscks sake

[06:38:36]

Dagmar:

Goddamn I hate having to write emails to search engine people

[06:39:07]

Dagmar:

I have Inktomi hitting the test webserver, getting robots.txt, and then going ahead and indexing other parts of the server ANYWAY

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echosyp:

is that right? i'll have to have a cablebox to get hd service

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echosyp:

if, so i may as well just wait and get a pcmcia firewire card

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onewheelskyward:

Inktomi used to be a pain in my butt, too.

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clever:

Dagmar only search engines to hit my site have been google yahoo msn and 1 other random one i dont remember

[06:41:35]

Dagmar:

Inktomi is usually the one most likely to screw up

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echosyp:

anyone know how to get s-video out working with radeon drivers?

[06:42:09]

Duke:

echosyp: you should be able to get HD signal without a box if you have a QAM tuner and your cable provider broadcasts content in QAM.

[06:42:10]

Dagmar:

I bet google knows

[06:42:34]

clever:

echosyp do you still want to be able to use the vga out?

[06:43:22]

echosyp:

well, if i get a tv that will take vga input then id be better off using that

[06:43:48]

clever:

you can very easily move the entire X server over to the 2nd output

[06:44:01]

clever:

its a tad more complex to make it dual head(2 screens side by side)

[06:44:10]

clever:

no idea how to make it clone(both showing same thing)

[06:44:23]

echosyp:

im not interested in that, once i get this laptop setup, the lid won't ever be opened

[06:44:39]

clever:

if you go into xorg.conf(/etc/X11/xorg.conf) and find the device section

[06:44:50]

clever:

you can add a line saying 'Screen 1'

[06:44:55]

kormoc:

echosyp, man radeon should help

[06:45:00]

clever:

which forces it to use the 2nd output on the default card

[06:45:08]

kormoc:

clever, no it doesn't...

[06:45:22]

echosyp:

yeah, i'll google for that, i need to see which tv i can get at work for cheap

[06:45:24]

clever:

im just going by my exp with my nvidia card

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clever:

assuming all drivers do it similarly

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Dagmar:

This is a radeon he's using

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clever:

multiple screen's per busid

[06:45:51]

Dagmar:

It's not as smart as the nVidia driver

[06:45:55]

clever:

ahhh

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kormoc:

clever, screen1 is just a id, it has nothing to do with what that screen will pick as it's video card / output

[06:46:05]

echosyp:

i guess i could always switch to fglrx driver

[06:46:10]

kormoc:

clever, you can call it fudge007 if you'd like

[06:46:19]

Dagmar:

I call mine "Lefty" and "Righty"

[06:46:23]

Dagmar:

Much easier to deal with

[06:46:23]

echosyp:

i just don't like that fglrx uses alot of cpu for dri

[06:46:29]

clever:

with my setup screen 0 gets my vga out and screen 1 gets the tvout

[06:46:50]

clever:

under the driver section not the one to NAME the screens

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kormoc:

clever, you're just lucky the nvidia driver is smart enough to figure it out

[06:47:03]

clever:

theres a line to say which output on the card to use

[06:47:08]

clever:

lol

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kormoc:

clever, yes, there's there to tell it to use a second X screen, but you can swap those numbers around just fine if you'd like

[06:47:41]

echosyp:

i'll google when i get that far, i guess i just need to find out of cox broadcasts QAM? if so i won't need a cable box and i can get an HD tuner

[06:47:48]

echosyp:

if not, i may as well use firewire?

[06:48:03]

kormoc:

echosyp, it'll likely be encrypted QAM

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Duke:

yes it does... I have cox

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Dagmar:

Best of luck on _that_

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echosyp:

SuddenLink*

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clever:

Screen number

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clever:

This option is mandatory for cards where a single PCI entity can drive more than one display (i.e., multiple CRTCs sharing a ingle graphics accelerator and video memory). One Device section is required for each head, and this parameter determines which head each of the Device sections applies to. The legal values of

[06:48:49]

Duke:

Standard free to air channels are not encrypted QAM

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clever:

i was assuming that all drivers properly handled that setting

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echosyp:

i don't care about fta channe

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echosyp:

ls

[06:49:12]

echosyp:

i want HD channels

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kormoc:

clever, yes, but that doesn't map one to one to the heads on the card, you can swap them around just fine if you'd like

[06:49:14]

Dagmar:

Duke: Just so you know, that varies from provider to provider and from region to region

[06:49:17]

Duke:

....SOL...

[06:49:25]

Duke:

true

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clever:

kormoc: where/how would you do that?

[06:49:56]

clever:

i have a laptop with tvout id like to use for mythtvv

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kormoc:

clever, just set the one that is screen 1 to screen 0 and screen 0 to screen 1

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echosyp:

so, Cox does broadcast QAM, but when i set up HD service, they are going to bring me a cable box

[06:50:24]

echosyp:

i know that much

[06:50:33]

clever:

i tryed adding a screen 1 to my xorg.conf and it didnt go well

[06:50:58]

echosyp:

do i have to option of telling them to F*** off, i don't want to rent their box for $10/month

[06:51:03]

** clever adds another serverlayout and tests it out **

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Duke:

echosyp: but you will not get and pay HD channels on QAM

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echosyp:

oh

[06:51:40]

echosyp:

so, i want the box

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echosyp:

and thus, firewire

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Dagmar:

Dude they've already got you bent over charging you double the usual amount for digital cable

[06:52:03]

clever:

it might be cheaper in the long run

[06:52:04]

Dagmar:

You're in no position to quibble over $10

[06:52:04]

Duke:

echosyp: yep... but most of the pay channels are blocking output for me

[06:52:20]

Duke:

echosyp: so I am forced to record in s-video from the stb

[06:52:25]

echosyp:

Dagmar, i don't pay for anything right now

[06:52:40]

Duke:

echosyp: for the pay channels

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echosyp:

i will

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echosyp:

once i figure out the best setup, and iv got the hardware

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Dagmar:

We're not helping you pirate cable

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echosyp:

thats not anywhere close to what i said dagmar

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Duke:

echosyp: supposedly a consumer should be able to get a Cable-Card decryptor but that has not materialized yet

[06:53:33]

echosyp:

my apt complex offers basic cable for free

[06:53:35]

Dagmar:

Duke: Late next year at the earliest for most markets

[06:53:45]

echosyp:

if i want something better i'll have to setup my own accnt and pay for it

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echosyp:

i really just need to figure out which tv i want and how much of a discount i can get on it

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Dagmar:

...although I fully expect that since it's a monopoly-breaker, they'll whine and piss and moan and drag things out to probably 2010

[06:55:00]

Duke:

Dag: agreed

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clever:

Dagmar: my minisum script has a hash colision

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clever:

guess why?

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juski:

morning

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Dagmar:

Because you have symlinks

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clever:

nope

[06:55:50]

juski:

this thread is slightly amusing: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/257869

[06:55:51]

Dagmar:

Because you're trying stupid things?

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clever:

2vaqp80d.avi and [ANBU-AonE]_Naruto_15_[ABB95192].avi

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Duke:

hehe

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clever:

one is 52mb

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clever:

other is 164mb

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clever:

first 52mb appears to be identical

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juski:

ran out of space during a copy

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juski:

?

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Duke:

that's bizzare

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clever:

why would i have such a randomly named semi copy?

[06:56:36]

clever:

....Documents and Settings/Michael/Local Settings/Temp/2vaqp80d.avi

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juski:

use rsync :) as I recently discovered

[06:56:44]

Duke:

what is the hash of again?

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clever:

the first 1mb of data from the files

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Dagmar:

juski: Tell the guy to apply the rouge_1.1 upgrade

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clever:

theres a partial copy in a backed up temp folder

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juski:

Dagmar: lol

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Duke:

perhaps the first 1mb is all 0's??

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clever:

nope

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clever:

both are valid video

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clever:

first 52mb of them are identical

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Dagmar:

So take the file length and append it to the data you're hashing

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Dagmar:

But to put it bluntly, for what you were doing with it, why would you CARE if you had a hash collision?

[06:58:34]

clever:

the fact that the first 52mb id identical means the diff files will allmost 100% have identical thunmnaiks

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Dagmar:

The thumbnails would in theory be identical _anyway_ since they're the same damn video segment

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clever:

hash colision may mess up the image

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kormoc:

not if you thumbnail the last frame

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

im thumbnauling the 5th frame in my plans

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clever:

that half of the script isnt made yet

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juski:

the 5th frame?

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clever:

0th frame is solid black in some of the files i watch

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juski:

isn't that usually like 'Universal' or whatever? ;)

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Duke:

but thumbnail data would be shrunk size and thus different data and should generate a different hash value

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clever:

so i just picked a semi random non0 number:P

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Dagmar:

Picking a frame is likely to cause more problems

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clever:

i dont want to use a hash of the thumbnail

[07:00:21]

clever:

because then id have to thumbnail it again

[07:00:30]

clever:

i need the hash to cache the thumbnail files

[07:01:10]

clever:

found another colision

[07:01:12]

kormoc:

if you just want a thumbnail for each video file and you want different thumbnails even if they're the same file, just call it .file.thumbnail or similar

[07:01:20]

clever:

ntsc_blank.mpg and ntsc_blank.mpg.svn-base

[07:01:32]

kormoc:

imagine that, the same file has the same hash

[07:01:57]

Dagmar:

Gosh

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clever:

yeah:P

[07:02:15]

Dagmar:

That was sarcasm.

[07:02:24]

clever:

i know:P

[07:02:32]

kormoc:

.filename-mtime

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juski:

why not take an md5 of the whole video file & use that as a hash?

[07:02:41]

kormoc:

or even better .filename-mtime-atime

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Dagmar:

juski: Probably because it would take a bloody long time

[07:02:53]

clever:

juski: do you want mythvideo hashing every file on your pc?

[07:02:57]

clever:

fully

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juski:

clever: I don't want your script at all by the sounds of it

[07:03:11]

clever:

:P

[07:03:14]

kormoc:

why would mythvideo hash anything?

[07:03:20]

Dagmar:

lol

[07:03:22]

clever:

this would extract a frame from mythvideo and use it as a thumbnail

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kormoc:

it has full paths to the files, that's enough

[07:03:34]

clever:

and use the hash of the file to gen a uniq filename

[07:03:44]

juski:

clever: I'd rather stick to using covers thanks

[07:03:51]

kormoc:

if the file changes paths, it can just grab a new one, as it doesn't really matter

[07:04:01]

kormoc:

it sounds way overly complicated

[07:04:19]

Duke:

why not use mktemp to generate a unique filename?

[07:04:31]

clever:

i want to get the same uniq name for a given input file

[07:04:45]

Duke:

you can supply template format with mktemp

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kormoc:

really, it should stick with the .metadata file format anyway, so mytharchive could use it

[07:04:54]

echosyp:

which is better, LCD or Plasma?

[07:04:56]

Dagmar:

kormoc: I think I've said before he's the only person with a clearly oxymoronic nick

[07:04:59]

Duke:

like filename-######

[07:05:05]

juski:

echosyp: depends on what you want!

[07:05:11]

echosyp:

i want quality

[07:05:13]

clever:

Duke wont it still make a random part after that?

[07:05:15]

kormoc:

Dagmar, heh, I've had the same thought

[07:05:24]

clever:

and how is it going to get the same random next time

[07:05:29]

juski:

echosyp: depends on size & the ambient light level you'll be watching at, then

[07:05:31]

kormoc:

echosyp, personally, I like LCD as plasma burn-in sucks

[07:05:36]

clever:

its going to avoid a colision and never reuse the existing cache file

[07:05:45]

Dagmar:

Her'es an idea

[07:05:52]

juski:

also depends on the plasma/lcd models. either can be badly sucky

[07:05:55]

Dagmar:

Just name the damn thumbnails after the filename of the video file

[07:06:00]

echosyp:

i was thinking LCD, but plasma is going to have darker blacks isn't it

[07:06:05]

Dagmar:

Or better yet, hash the full path to the video file.

[07:06:12]

clever:

Dagmar: what if the contents are changed?

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Dagmar:

Why you have to go through this hyper complex bullshit is something you should take up with your therapist

[07:06:22]

kormoc:

clever, how often does that happen?

[07:06:25]

Duke:

you have reasonable control of filename creation with mktemp

[07:06:33]

juski:

echosyp: yeah but plasma has higher power consumption & can suffer from screen burn

[07:06:34]

onewheelskyward:

clever: Check the moddate of the video file.

[07:06:38]

Dagmar:

Since when does the stuff you have under MythVideo change to be a completely different file?

[07:06:41]

clever:

you could have made a thumbnail on a partial torrent'ed file

[07:06:59]

juski:

clever: the majority of us aren't fansub anime fans

[07:07:10]

kormoc:

clever, so? it'll still be the same thumbnail afterwards, which is better

[07:07:15]

Duke:

I think ultimately LCD will be the best choice... quality and power wise

[07:07:18]

juski:

and WHY in the world would you put a partially downloaded file in your video dir anyway?

[07:07:23]

Dagmar:

It's not like Berenstein_Bears_Xmas_Special.avi is going to magically become World_of_Porncraft_Vol2.avi or something

[07:07:38]

clever:

one of my torrent clients stores the blocks out of order causing random 'garbage' to be at the start until its finished

[07:07:49]

clever:

juski: i often set the program to dl directly to a video dir

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clever:

so it wont have to move over afterwards

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juski:

clever: you lazy bastard

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kormoc:

clever, so just don't

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Dagmar:

I'm not even going to bother arguing about how incorrect that is

[07:08:02]

clever:

lol

[07:08:03]

** kormoc sighs **

[07:08:28]

clever:

my torrent programs way of storing the blocks out of order gets arround a lack of sparse file support

[07:08:44]

kormoc:

other then linux supports sparse files?

[07:08:46]

clever:

and it will simply sha1 each block and use the torrent to see where they belong when resuming

[07:08:56]

Dagmar:

So I suppose it makes sense he'd be using a torrent client that sucks that hard

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clever:

the odd thing is its a linux torrent client that does it:P

[07:09:01]

juski:

time to go to work

[07:09:11]

** kormoc waves to juski **

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echosyp:

im noticing that some of these HD tv's don't have a built in HDTV tuner, wtf does that mean

[07:09:20]

clever:

the only client that does that is a python based btdownloadcurses

[07:09:27]

echosyp:

how is it HD if it doesn't have an HDTV tuner in it

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clever:

the rest dont seem to do that

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kormoc:

echosyp, you need to use a external tuner

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Dagmar:

I am &very& sure Bram's client does not do that

[07:09:43]

echosyp:

lame

[07:09:51]

kormoc:

echosyp, most people have cable and thus there's no use for a internal tuner, as it's just wasted money

[07:10:08]

echosyp:

well, i'll have HD cable

[07:10:19]

echosyp:

so i'll make use of the tuner right?

[07:10:21]

clever:

readlink -f /usr/bin/btdownloadcurses

[07:10:26]

clever:

oops

[07:10:29]

clever:

readlink -f /usr/bin/btdownloadcurses

[07:10:29]

clever:

/usr/bin/btdownloadcurses.bittornado

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clever:

dang mirc:P

[07:10:36]

kormoc:

echosyp, encrypted cable, so your tuner can't receive it, hence the cable box

[07:10:49]

echosyp:

oh, i gotcha

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kormoc:

echosyp, so for most people, it's just a waste of money

[07:11:14]

echosyp:

if it wasnt encryted i wouldn't need the cable box and thus the tv would would be used with its HDTV tuner

[07:11:20]

** kormoc nods **

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Duke:

echosyp:if you have a set-top-box like myth or a cable box... then it does the tuning and there is no need for a tuner in the HDTV.

[07:11:41]

Dagmar:

I'm putting certain people on ignore before my ulcer flares up again

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clever:

Dagmar: did bram make bit tornado or the other client?

[07:11:43]

clever:

i forget

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echosyp:

alright

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clever:

Duke: my dad refuses to use mythtv and to make shure he doestn steal the cablebox out from under mythtv

[07:12:39]

Duke:

fine go ahead and ignore me.. ;-)

[07:12:39]

clever:

he uses the tv's internal tuner

[07:12:56]

clever:

the digital box goes in on one of the tv's inputs

[07:13:05]

clever:

and bare cable is split off and fed into the tv

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Dagmar:

This reminds me wayy to much of a guy who showed up to one of the local 2600 meetings because he heard we knew our stuff and wanted some advice on how to set up his BBS

[07:13:18]

clever:

so the box can be on a digital channel while the tv is on a basic analog one

[07:13:26]

Dagmar:

He was trying to get Iniquity to run over telnet.

[07:13:28]

echosyp:

would you guys recommend any brand of TV

[07:13:36]

Dagmar:

...and yes, this was about 2003

[07:13:45]

kormoc:

Dagmar, nice! reminds me of some.... 'friends' too

[07:13:46]

clever:

lol

[07:13:50]

Dagmar:

We're all like "why the F are you messing with DOS based crap?"

[07:13:54]

kormoc:

echosyp, I like sony and samsung

[07:14:11]

Duke:

hehe

[07:14:21]

clever:

echosyp: i have jvc and emerson

[07:14:37]

clever:

and several other random brands some of which have problems

[07:14:47]

echosyp:

i am a fan of samsung monitors, so i'll check out the tv

[07:14:49]

clever:

not shure if its the brand of the tv itself

[07:15:08]

clever:

my jvc has 3.5 inputs

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clever:

input 2 is both composite and component and internaly its treated as 2 inputs with a shared audio line

[07:15:36]

Duke:

I own a Sony-Rear Projection HDTV and a Toshiba Plasma... each has its advantages and disadvantages

[07:15:55]

clever:

my jvc can is tube based

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clever:

and can switch to a widescreen format

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echosyp:

what are these advantages and disadvantages

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Duke:

I would not buy a Sony again because their support for multiple input types like VGA or DVI sucks...

[07:16:39]

clever:

it just doesnt put any image up on the top/bottom edges and streches the image to be wider

[07:16:54]

Dagmar:

One of these you can mount on the ceiling. One you can't.

[07:17:09]

clever:

similar to addjusting the image size on a pc moniter

[07:17:22]

clever:

lol

[07:17:37]

clever:

you could just mount a mirror on the celing

[07:17:47]

echosyp:

i don't want something that will look black when looking at it

[07:17:52]

echosyp:

from the side

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clever:

i think lcd is the only one that might do that

[07:18:10]

Dagmar:

Umm... you mean you want something with a wide viewing angle?

[07:18:14]

echosyp:

yes

[07:18:38]

echosyp:

and im not seeing any tv's with VGA input

[07:18:40]

echosyp:

suck

[07:18:52]

Dagmar:

Dell sells them all day long

[07:18:52]

** echosyp looks harder **

[07:18:54]

Duke:

My Toshiba has VGA input

[07:19:03]

echosyp:

im buying from circuit city

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kormoc:

echosyp, don't bother with VGA, get one that supports DVI/HDMI

[07:19:07]

echosyp:

cause i get a discount

[07:19:14]

kormoc:

digital all the way

[07:19:15]

Duke:

Do you have a Costco membership?

[07:19:23]

clever:

my rca has the old style of 2 wires side by side i forget what its called

[07:19:26]

echosyp:

i need vga for the laptop im setting up as a mythbox

[07:19:29]

clever:

the thing that came before coax:P

[07:19:32]

Duke:

There is a Maxent 50" for $1099 nice

[07:20:15]

clever:

lol

[07:20:19]

Duke:

hehe

[07:20:24]

Duke:

you guys kill me

[07:20:34]

echosyp:

we don't have a costco here, just a sams club

[07:20:38]

kormoc:

Duke, you're moving a lot for a dead guy

[07:20:38]

** clever gets out the gun:P **

[07:20:52]

clever:

kormoc: i can fix that

[07:20:57]

Dagmar:

onewheelskyward: You should maybe try some bran

[07:21:05]

Duke:

Circuit shity isnt too bad

[07:21:17]

Duke:

for pricing I mean

[07:21:21]

Dagmar:

...cuz I know I don't spend that much on TP all year long

[07:22:17]

onewheelskyward:

Laying off the bran would probably be a better idea. :) But it's the paper towels I run through like mad.

[07:22:24]

Dagmar:

Ah okay

[07:22:46]

Duke:

That's kinda hard on the corn-hole though... ;-)

[07:22:52]

Dagmar:

I just wait until I see the stuff on the ends of aisles, saying very clearly "as cheap as you'll see it all month long"

[07:23:03]

echosyp:

will scaling be something that will piss me off

[07:23:07]

Dagmar:

12 rolls of paper towels for $3 and so forth

[07:23:14]

Dagmar:

echosyp: Maybe

[07:23:30]

clever:

my tv has a button which scales the incomming signal to widescreen

[07:23:41]

clever:

which can mess things up if its 4:3 but i can just hit the button again to fix it

[07:23:47]

Dagmar:

The worst was I once got 48 rolls of TP for $12.

[07:23:51]

Duke:

echosyp: you get used to everything looking like an oompa loompa after a while

[07:23:59]

clever:

also when using it with the tv i can tell my video player the tv is widescreen

[07:24:10]

clever:

and then hit the button making it treat the signal as widescreen

[07:24:13]

Dagmar:

There's nothing that makes you look quite as manly as being seen unloading and entire backseat full of toilet paper from you car

[07:24:14]

onewheelskyward:

How many years did that fat stack last ya?

[07:24:31]

echosyp:

alright, heres the deal, im setting up this laptop to be my mythbox, and its vga out will output to the tv

[07:24:36]

Dagmar:

It lasted the remainder of the lease I had on the place

[07:24:43]

clever:

Dagmar: what about a whole backseat full of pads and tampons?:P

[07:25:06]

kormoc:

Dagmar, just needed a few cases of beans to go with it

[07:25:32]

echosyp:

so, i'll have a cable box with HD service running to a firewire pcmcia card in this laptop, which will output the screen to the tv via vga

[07:25:36]

Dagmar:

I felt like such a freak

[07:25:56]

echosyp:

is there anything wrong with that plan?

[07:26:19]

Duke:

When my sister was staying with me for a few month we went through a 48-pack month. I was trying to do the math...

[07:26:33]

echosyp:

damn

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onewheelskyward:

With women in the house it's a whole new ballgame.

[07:26:35]

echosyp:

your sister is sick

[07:26:46]

Dagmar:

I would check the back yard to make sure she wasn't just burying whole rolls when you weren't looking.

[07:26:47]

echosyp:

i bet shes fat

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echosyp:

jk

[07:27:00]

Duke:

couldn't figure it out. ... I think she was mopping the floor with the stuff

[07:27:13]

clever:

they need the tp when taking a wizz to:P

[07:27:19]

echosyp:

yeah

[07:27:39]

echosyp:

so uh, anyway, off the tp subject, its getting a little weird

[07:27:49]

clever:

lol

[07:28:03]

Duke:

what channel was this???

[07:28:12]

onewheelskyward:

#tp-users

[07:28:14]

echosyp:

can anyone forsee a problem with my future setup

[07:28:20]

Duke:

does anyone have a TV question?

[07:28:22]

Dagmar:

Sure.

[07:28:25]

Dagmar:

You're using an ATI chipset

[07:28:31]

Dagmar:

There's always problems with those

[07:28:35]

echosyp:

well yeah

[07:28:36]

clever:

lol yeah:P

[07:28:40]

echosyp:

but i can't avoid that

[07:28:46]

Duke:

oooohhhh I though you said TV

[07:28:53]

clever:

my ati card in my laptop crashes when leaving X the wrong way

[07:28:54]

Duke:

TP

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Dagmar:

How about _you_ actually put some work into it, and then when you have a problem you can hassle other people about it

[07:29:14]

echosyp:

id much rather avoid problems

[07:29:21]

echosyp:

then have to fix them

[07:29:26]

Dagmar:

Then stop trying to do it with a notebook and spend some freakin' money

[07:29:31]

Duke:

nVidia seems to work more stable lately

[07:29:46]

echosyp:

the whole point is to spend as little money as possible

[07:29:49]

clever:

Dagmar: aslong as im not leaving X it works perfectly

[07:29:58]

echosyp:

hence the whole free software thing

[07:30:08]

clever:

thus laptop works great for a frontend aslong as i free up ram enough

[07:30:09]

Dagmar:

Yes, well, in this case, being a cheap-ass means pain.

[07:30:17]

clever:

if i made this a dedicated frontend it would run better

[07:30:23]

Dagmar:

Come to us when you have an _actual_ problem

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echosyp:

you don't plan ahead obviously

[07:30:40]

Dagmar:

I do plan ahead.

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echosyp:

or youd know its easier to avoid problems than to fix them

[07:30:48]

Dagmar:

The key word here being "I"

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kormoc:

echosyp, just keep in mind, free software is only free if your time is worthless

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Dagmar:

You're asking _us_ to speculate on future problems as well as solve them for you.

[07:31:05]

Dagmar:

This is basically bullshit.

[07:31:05]

echosyp:

no im not

[07:31:09]

echosyp:

im asking to speculate

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echosyp:

not solve

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Duke:

I have gone through several mythtv boxes and I like the sado-massachistic torture of getting all the stuff to work... but if you want something cheap, then get a HD-DVR from Cox for $10 / month. I dont think you will ever beat that.

[07:32:13]

clever:

lol

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kormoc:

echosyp, speculating is meaningless, as it all depends on the specific things you buy. You could buy a pcmcia firewire card that just isn't supported or just sucks, in general, your plan can work, but will it? god only knows

[07:32:56]

clever:

i was able to just grab hardware i had laying arround(i have alot laying arround:P) and make a working frontend +backend and turn my laptop into a spare frontend

[07:33:06]

Dagmar:

You're basically asking us to waste our time before you waste any of your own.

[07:33:08]

Dagmar:

That's not cool.

[07:33:11]

echosyp:

i'll put as much effort into it as it requires, though i cant actually forsee the ati card being a problem seeing as i can easily switch drivers and get s-video and vga out to work

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Duke:

I would definitely go with a nVidia card

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Dagmar:

That would be because you've not used ATI under Linux all that much

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echosyp:

hahah

[07:33:46]

echosyp:

bs

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Dagmar:

Duke: he's using a notebook, so fat chance of that

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echosyp:

i have two laptops with ati cards

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echosyp:

im very familiar with ati's bs

[07:34:04]

Duke:

My notebook has a nVidia -

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Dagmar:

Duke: Did you change it from an ATI chipset?

[07:34:21]

Duke:

hehe

[07:34:33]

Duke:

upgraded the firmware from ATI to nVidia

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Duke:

jk

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echosyp:

i know i can get what i want out of this ati card

[07:35:02]

Duke:

okay...

[07:35:07]

hybridsto:

Would it be better to have all my direct tv receivers on a back end server or run them all one by one with the front end units?

[07:35:32]

Dagmar:

Dude, video has to go into a backend, not a frontend.

[07:35:33]

Duke:

just be warned that linux support for ATI is not as good as nvidia for things like MPEG accel

[07:35:55]

echosyp:

im very well aware

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echosyp:

i have direct rendering on both laptops and my desktop with nvidia

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Duke:

if your machine is fast enough it shouldnot be too much of a problem.

[07:36:23]

echosyp:

its a 3.8 ghz

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Duke:

duo/solo?

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Duke:

prob p4

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echosyp:

2.8*

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echosyp:

sorry

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echosyp:

can't type

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echosyp:

yes p4

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echosyp:

my main concern was the tv tuner or firewire issue, then the vga/svideo

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Duke:

I gotta go squeeze the Charmin.... see you guys later...

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echosyp:

:(

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echosyp:

im going to sleep

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echosyp:

peace

[07:39:22]

Duke:

my nick should be Mr Whipple

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Duke:

see ya

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clever:

can i set mythwelcome to not load mythfrontend?

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juski:

morning rsdvd

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rsdvd:

morny Juski

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juski:

got all me media dirs on xfs now

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juski:

next up is /home :)

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rsdvd:

what were you using before?

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juski:

ext3

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rsdvd:

ok....why the shift?

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juski:

s l o w

[09:26:13]

juski:

wasn't til I tried xfs that I realised ext3 isn't just slow at deletes

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rsdvd:

it is only deletes though ? I thought ext3 was just as fast at access

[09:30:28]

Dagmar:

We keep tellin' people they should use XFS or JFS for their filestore and no one listens

[09:31:33]

juski:

well,it took way longer to copy stuff over to ext3 from ext3 than it did to copy to xfs from ext3

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rsdvd:

my /video is actaully ext2......and I have been meaning to do something about it for ages........just it is now 500G and I really cannot be bothered :-)

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juski:

rsyncing that'll take a while

[09:38:32]

juski:

anyway you mean you don't store recordings in /var/rec or whatever the default is? you managed to somehow find the menu to change it?!

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rsdvd:

one day I will get some more drives and then do a copy......but it will not be any time soon!

[09:38:42]

rsdvd:

:-)

[09:38:49]

rsdvd:

I RTFM

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juski:

:-O

[09:39:18]

rsdvd:

actually – I followed the HOWTO for fedora at wilsonet.com

[09:40:59]

juski:

! my god, you're some kind of freak

[09:41:06]

juski:

like me :)

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rsdvd:

:-)

[09:41:24]

juski:

well in the manual reading sense anyway ;)

[09:41:37]

rsdvd:

I guessed that was what you mean!

[09:47:36]

rsdvd:

juski : just catching up on the mailinglist from the weekend – you actually announced the blootude changes and neon – I thought you had given up on telling people

[09:47:57]

juski:

so I changed my mind

[09:48:03]

juski:

I was in a very good mood on saturday

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rsdvd:

lol......

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juski:

lasted all of about 2 days

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rsdvd:

awww

[09:48:50]

juski:

fucking leeches

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rsdvd:

what has happened now......all the replies to that mail are very positive

[09:49:26]

juski:

they're still leeches :)

[09:49:34]

juski:

USErs

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rsdvd:

lol

[09:55:29]

juski:

anyway I'm kidding

[09:55:50]

juski:

there's sod all point making the effort if you don't let folks know it's out there

[09:56:14]

juski:

plus I noticed there are repos & godknows what that were godknows how out of date

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rsdvd:

juski : it must be quite an ego boost when people say they are buying more RAM just so they can use your theme

[10:01:54]

juski:

nah

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juski:

not gonna let the praise go to my head, or its absence will cause problems ;)

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rsdvd:

anyway – I am off to fight with Argos...taking a faulty TV back

[10:04:48]

juski:

good luck!

[10:05:39]

juski:

don't think you'll have to fight em though

[10:06:49]

Dagmar:

If they give you any crap, whisper to the clerk in a conspiratorial voice "It keeps showing *porno* and I can't have that in my house!"

[10:07:17]

Dagmar:

If they think you're crazy they will be less likely to argue.

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juski:

giggity giggity

[10:29:14]

Dagmar:

Lame

[10:29:24]

Dagmar:

Slackware is completely missing cpufrequtils and cpufreqd

[10:29:55]

Dagmar:

I guess that's two more things to upload to LinuxPackages to annoy those people.

[10:30:49]

Dagmar:

They've called my work into question too many times for me to be interested in much *but* annoying them, considering the careful controls I keep on my build process.

[10:31:11]

Dagmar:

Oh noes! I use bz2 for my man pages! So horrible!

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Dagmar:

pfft

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akifdino:

hello my mythtv shows the epg, but if i want to watch a life channel it switches back to menu again

[11:14:39]

juski:

sounds like the channels doesn't really exist

[11:14:47]

juski:

look in the log output from mythbackend

[11:15:07]

juski:

either the channel doesn't exist or it's not bound to the video source

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akifdino:

the log doesn't show any error

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akifdino:

ohhh card2failed init ERROR: no valid capture cards are defined in the database

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akifdino:

DVBChan(0) Errof: Opening dVB frontend device failed.

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akifdino:

what does DVBChan(0) error mean?

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juski:

lemme guess you have more than one tuner & your device order changes when you reboot...

[11:16:49]

akifdino:

no

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akifdino:

but there must be something strange happened it doesn't load the modules for the dvb card anymore for some reason

[11:18:23]

juski:

and what would that have to do with mythtv?

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juski:

you need to stop mythbackend & fix the tuner card

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akifdino:

i do load the modules manually

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akifdino:

and still the same problem

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akifdino:

what does DVBChan(0) error mean?

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juski:

the important part is "Opening dVB frontend device failed"

[11:19:35]

juski:

means it couldn't access the tuner card

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akifdino:

what does it mean

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akifdino:

ahh

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akifdino:

so it could be a problem with the modules?

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juski:

could be a problem with the card

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akifdino:

you mean damaged?

[11:20:53]

juski:

nope

[11:21:01]

juski:

but you need to try to get it worky again

[11:21:03]

juski:

:-P

[11:21:08]

akifdino:

yes

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akifdino:

since the modules were loaded when i first installed the card i don't know which modules it needs, there were some called budget_ci but this alone doesn't help

[11:22:39]

juski:

well you should really have added the modules to the list of modules to load at boot time

[11:23:02]

juski:

then you wouldn't be in this pickle

[11:23:14]

juski:

you prolly need saa7134_dvb

[11:23:27]

juski:

that might just load the rest automagically

[11:24:13]

dustybin:

i found the mythtv svn!

[11:24:16]

dustybin:

http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv/

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Merlin83b:

Well done dustybin.

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** juski gives dustybin another Blue Peter badge **

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dustybin:

how comes your themes arent in there juski?

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juski:

who cares?

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dustybin:

i guess it doesnt matter

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juski:

for my themes to go into svn, some lame themes have to go

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dustybin:

i find it interesting looking at C++ source code

[11:28:44]

dustybin:

ive turned off the settings to flag commercials but commercials are still being flagged

[11:29:31]

dustybin:

so whenever i record something the HD whirls through the recording trying to remove commercials and in this country no success so its a waste of time but i dont know how to turn it off

[11:30:01]

dustybin:

has commflag: Yes has cutlist: No is editing: No auto-expire: has bookmark: No

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dustybin:

if i set things to record with the commercial flagging on then turn it off will those recordings still hold the commercial flag settings?

[11:33:01]

dustybin:

ive found a little option for Auto-Flag commercials in mythweb!

[11:34:20]

juski:

dustybin: you have an AWESOME knack for pointing out the bleeding obvios!

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juski:

*obvious

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dustybin:

sorry dude!

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juski:

if you're in the UK there's generally F.A. point in flagging commercials anyway

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stuarta:

afternoon

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juski:

eey up stuarta

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stuarta:

well almost

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akifdino:

saa7134_dvb and budget_ci did solve the problem

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** stuarta has new TV :) **

[11:48:19]

juski:

akifdino: well, find out how to load those modeules at boot time and make it so!

[11:48:36]

akifdino:

juski: it is loading now at boot time,

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juski:

stuarta: congrats :)

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stuarta:

no thanks to DHL for nicking the first 1 in transit...

[11:49:13]

juski:

wha?

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Merlin83b:

They ain't called Drop it Hide it Lose it for nothing.

[11:49:36]

juski:

lol

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stuarta:

yup, went into their hatfield depot and then they "couldn't find it"

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stuarta:

had to wait till yesterday for it to be declared "lost" and then the supplier sent a new one

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juski:

damn Deutsche Post

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rsdvd:

LOL : just got through sending a threatening email to out DHL account manager for loosing stuff.....and refusing to compensate

[11:51:14]

juski:

is there any courier that's any good?

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rsdvd:

no

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rsdvd:

do it yourself – the only way to guarantee somethign gets there

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stuarta:

some are better than others.

[11:51:45]

Merlin83b:

We use Interlink Express. Best I've found yet but still occasionally useless.

[11:51:56]

stuarta:

they suck.

[11:51:57]

akifdino:

my lirc_serial modul is not loading at boot time it says that the resource is busy,what could be the problem

[11:52:14]

juski:

akifdino: the serial port

[11:52:26]

Merlin83b:

Maybe for you, stuarta. Never lost anything for us, in about 3 years I think 2 deliveries have been delayed.

[11:52:42]

akifdino:

because the serial port is at that time busy? but setserial is called somewhere, doesn't it release it?

[11:52:45]

stuarta:

what sort of delivery company leaves you a card saying the goods will be taken back to the depot and then attempts to deliver it again the next day?

[11:52:50]

juski:

deliver stuff by atomic bittorrents :)

[11:53:07]

juski:

akifdino: maybe setserial is being called too late

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akifdino:

maybe but it is standard debian, i didn't change it

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Beirdo:

muhahah

[11:57:32]

Beirdo:

so my PXE environment now has Solaris 10 install in it too

[11:57:33]

Beirdo:

:)

[11:58:17]

Beirdo:

turns out Sol10 x86 past 1/06 comes with grub as its boot loader

[11:58:31]

Beirdo:

and their network boot mechanism is PXE calling pxegrub

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Beirdo:

:)

[11:58:49]

Beirdo:

so I changed the rest of the stuff from pxelinux to pxegrub. :)

[11:59:08]

stuarta:

nice

[11:59:18]

Beirdo:

so now I can install Ubuntu, Solaris or restore Win98 from a ghost image, or boot floppy images

[11:59:21]

Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

I might even make a custom mythtv install for later on when I actually can use the backend again

[12:00:44]

Beirdo:

hmmm, we should call and ask if they have cable boxes this month. lameass cable provider

[12:01:47]

stuarta:

a cable provider without cable boxes??? mwuhahaha

[12:02:24]

Beirdo:

yeah, for the past two months they've said they had none to give out

[12:02:28]

Beirdo:

*bullshit*

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Beirdo:

so we have cable wired into the office (for the cable modem) but I can't get another cable box, so I can't record TV

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Beirdo:

Dish Network will be getting our business once I have income

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Chai_Sangeen:

hello everybody

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Beirdo:

ahoy

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Chai_Sangeen:

im haveing trouble setting up the lirc on ubuntu edgy i follow the how-to's it worked yesterday but not today.... can anyone help

[12:04:09]

Chai_Sangeen:

irw gives me : connect: Connection refused

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juski:

give edgy a wedgie – that ought to fix it

[12:04:26]

Beirdo:

sounds like lircd ain't running

[12:04:30]

Chai_Sangeen:

hahahah

[12:05:02]

Chai_Sangeen:

Beirdo, sudo /etc/init.d/lirc start

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stuarta:

Beirdo: spose dishnet is better than nothing

[12:06:17]

Chai_Sangeen:

Beirdo, its actually running .... any thing else we can do ?

[12:06:29]

Beirdo:

that reminds me, I was planning on installing wedgie on this laptop...

[12:06:53]

Beirdo:

dunno, Chai_Sangeen. lirc is one of those pains in the asses. I only have ever set it up for transmitting

[12:07:13]

Beirdo:

well, I briefly set it up for a remote, then gave up and bought an IR keyboard

[12:07:35]

Beirdo:

and that was 4 years ago

[12:07:53]

Chai_Sangeen:

Beirdo, yeah me to only for receiving no transmitting

[12:08:12]

Beirdo:

the receiving part is far more bitchy

[12:08:29]

stuarta:

i've never got around to setting up lirc.

[12:08:37]

juski:

there's a way you can check it works without running it in daemon mmode

[12:08:42]

Chai_Sangeen:

Beirdo, hmmm this sucks ! i really wana finish this thing and get it over with hehe

[12:09:00]

Chai_Sangeen:

juski, and how is that?

[12:09:29]

juski:

the lirc documentation mentions it

[12:09:44]

Chai_Sangeen:

juski, okay ill check it out thanx

[12:09:57]

Beirdo:

oh nice.

[12:10:13]

Beirdo:

CompUSA doesn't list IR keyboards OR RF ones. just bluetooth?!

[12:11:29]

Chai_Sangeen:

btw lets say i have 1 backend/frontend and two frontend and i wanna view the .avi file on the backend ill have to mount the backend smb share to the front end?

[12:11:49]

Chai_Sangeen:

why not the settign get pulles from the backend

[12:11:54]

juski:

what avi file?

[12:11:58]

Beirdo:

or rather they do, but have them misclassified as wired. eeediots

[12:12:19]

juski:

mythtv doesn't store recordings or live tv as avi files

[12:12:51]

Chai_Sangeen:

juski, yeah bu my backend is also hosting my videos and pictures and music

[12:13:05]

Beirdo:

$181 for an RF keyboard?! uck-fay ou-yay

[12:13:10]

juski:

you need to mount video share to the same dir on frontends for mythvideo to work properly

[12:13:28]

juski:

same for music & pictures

[12:13:54]

juski:

e.g. if you stuff is kept in /media/videos on the backend, mount it to /media/videos on the frontend

[12:14:02]

juski:

s/you/your

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Chai_Sangeen:

juski, thanx i was just wondering if it could read them directly without mounting....

[12:14:38]

Chai_Sangeen:

juski, thank u :)

[12:18:23]

juski:

mythvideo/mythmusic/mythgallery do not stream content themselves. Not yet anyway

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stuarta:

that's a work in progress

[12:19:27]

juski:

not that sharing dirs with NFS is very hard :)

[12:19:48]

Beirdo:

true

[12:19:59]

juski:

not that mysql is hard but there's talk of embedding it into mythtv I hear

[12:20:10]

Beirdo:

and I think I'd trust the long history of NFS over some custom solution too

[12:20:58]

Chai_Sangeen:

juski, stuarta, this is the guide i follow mabee any ideas ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Edgy

[12:21:12]

juski:

Chai_Sangeen: I gave up on that howto

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juski:

I build lirc myself in the end

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dustybin:

ohh no, not another lirc casualty

[12:21:46]

Chai_Sangeen:

juski,i guess ill just read aliitle more till i figure it out

[12:21:55]

** Dagmar has a heart attack **

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Chai_Sangeen:

dustybin, yeah heheh add me to the list haha

[12:22:02]

Dagmar:

HOly crap people who read

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Dagmar:

You will go FAR

[12:22:08]

juski:

well if the package method makes life fucking harder than it should be why bother with it?!

[12:22:10]

dustybin:

Chai_Sangeen: type in 'man lircd'

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Beirdo:

a welcome addition to the user pool, eh, Dagmar?

[12:22:32]

Dagmar:

juski: because no one seems to be able to properly dispose of the person "responsible" for those ubuntu packages yte

[12:22:39]

Dagmar:

Beirdo: Hell yes

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Beirdo:

Hmmm.

[12:23:00]

Dagmar:

I will pretty much bend over backwards for people who show signs of having been reading things

[12:23:04]

juski:

Dagmar: maybe they users will just stop using Ubunut & the problem will go away itself ;)

[12:23:27]

Dagmar:

juski: I would rather see the smack laid down on him from the Ubuntu masters for poor QA

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dustybin:

i dont think the problem is with lirc, the problems people suffer or more down to how they set the serial port up?

[12:23:40]

Beirdo:

juski, since you have a bit of experience with the minimyth... how usable would it be on a Celeron 500 with onboard Intel EPRO 100? Would I need to rebuild half of it?

[12:24:01]

juski:

Beirdo: I dunno what hardware that thing has

[12:24:01]

Dagmar:

dustybin: Well, we can only tell them setserial uart none so many times, yaknow?

[12:24:03]

Chai_Sangeen:

dustybin, thanx ill do some reading

[12:24:13]

dustybin:

heh trye

[12:24:14]

dustybin:

true

[12:24:25]

Beirdo:

well, minimyth is heavily customized for epia, correct?

[12:24:31]

Chai_Sangeen:

juski, so what distro do you recommend for the prob to go away

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juski:

minimyth has drivers for nvidia & via, not sure about Intel – but I think the IEGD will soon be built in

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Beirdo:

so I'd have to rebuild at least myth, which isn't an issue

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** juski does not recommend distros **

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Beirdo:

ahh.

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Chai_Sangeen:

juski, okay :)

[12:25:09]

Beirdo:

oh, and the video is i810e (yuck, but there it is)

[12:25:19]

juski:

use whatever you want, Chai_Sangeen

[12:25:30]

Beirdo:

I'm just looking for something small and netbootable :)

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pat_:

dell gx-260

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juski:

YMMV, and building mythtv from source can work out easier than trying to use packages

[12:25:51]

Chai_Sangeen:

juski, i went with ubuntu cause i felt it had a clear documentation

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pat_:

whack in an nvidia card and it works fine with minimyth

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** juski laughs **

[12:25:59]

Beirdo:

pat_, actually, it's a Compaq iPAQ Desktop ;)

[12:26:12]

juski:

Chai_Sangeen: yeah – but the docs don't relate to the hoops you need to jump through to make it work!

[12:26:14]

Beirdo:

no PCI slots, no expandability at all other than 2 USB ports

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pat_:

bierdo, I got a dell off ebay for $cheap and it works exactly as advertised

[12:26:35]

Beirdo:

I *MIGHT* be able to upgrade the CPU

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Beirdo:

heh

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Chai_Sangeen:

juski, yep thats true :) the wired thing is it worked yesterday... i could see all the command pushed in the remote.. but not today :(

[12:27:01]

Beirdo:

yeah, I already have this, and we are on a tight budget until I finally get a job (recent green card holder)

[12:27:21]

pat_:

aah, money stuff

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Beirdo:

oh, and it's small :)

[12:27:30]

juski:

now me, I don't have a right to complain about those docs because I once had the privilege of personally being invited to make them better

[12:27:35]

juski:

I blttled out

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dustybin:

i feel like crap today

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pat_:

I'm just contemplating calling the bank and asking them for money for another car tomorrow

[12:27:51]

Beirdo:

I already have PXE setup to install any of the ubuntu releases, Solaris 10 or Win98SE on it

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Beirdo:

I'd like a netbootable frontend too :) and I don't know that I wanna use knoppmyth

[12:28:22]

Beirdo:

although that's an option

[12:28:31]

juski:

it's never an option for low-end hardware

[12:28:34]

juski:

believe me

[12:28:39]

Beirdo:

heheh

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Beirdo:

oh, I'd be rebuilding half the shit anyways

[12:28:59]

juski:

I tried it once for laughs on my s100 box – OMG I've never seen a CD take so long to boot

[12:29:05]

** Beirdo shudders and wonders if he shouldn't roll his own with ... gentoo... ick **

[12:29:35]

juski:

Beirdo: GreyFoxx uses slack, and from what I've seen of it I'd say it wouldn't be hard for you

[12:29:46]

juski:

not even remotely hard :)

[12:29:50]

Beirdo:

hmmm, that's also an option :)

[12:30:00]

Beirdo:

basically, I'll be NFS mounting root

[12:30:18]

Beirdo:

swap might be an issue too :(

[12:30:23]

Beirdo:

dammit

[12:30:31]

juski:

yeah if system resources are low you don't want to be using a ramdisk to boot with

[12:30:32]

dustybin:

i wish UK Freeview would show films like Bachelor Party, Porkies, Nerds etc

[12:30:40]

Beirdo:

it has a hard drive, but I don't want to randomly blow it away

[12:30:46]

juski:

dustybin: they're old as the hills ffs

[12:30:49]

Beirdo:

it has 256MB RAM now

[12:30:57]

dustybin:

they are quality though!

[12:31:03]

juski:

no they're not!

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dustybin:

(IMO)

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LabMonkey:

ok

[12:31:46]

LabMonkey:

time to arm-wrestle with lirc again

[12:31:54]

juski:

time for a cig before I go all German Kid on yo ass

[12:32:01]

Dagmar:

...and if he has problems with Slack, I have packages to fix those problems.

[12:32:01]

dustybin:

good idea

[12:32:19]

Dagmar:

Actually, with Slack 11 he could probably have Myth up and running in about 15 minutes

[12:32:43]

juski:

as opposed to it taking 15 mins to boot :)

[12:32:51]

Dagmar:

Explaining how to get the build system properly replicating might take about 20 tho'

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dustybin:

if i used slack i rekon i could get myth up and running in 75 hourd

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dustybin:

s

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Dagmar:

dustybin: http://dagmar.droplinegnome.org/mythtv/ ...now what was that you were saying?

[12:33:22]

Dagmar:

Actually, that stuff is all built for slack 10.2

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Dagmar:

I hope to rememdy that within the week

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dustybin:

interestin!

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Dagmar:

...but it all contains the "dna" necessary to make it rebuild for Slack 11

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Dagmar:

I am not expecting to really do anything otehr than type "./build packagename && install /path/to/packagname" a lot

[12:34:48]

dustybin:

ive never used low level distros like slack

[12:35:41]

dustybin:

i need to get out do something i feel restless and frustrated

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dustybin:

bbl

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Dagmar:

Slack isn't hard to work with, as long as you don't expect anything modern

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Dagmar:

A default 2.4.x kernel, and a deep denial of udev.

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Dagmar:

;)

[12:36:36]

dustybin:

why are u stuck with a 2.4 kernel?

[12:36:46]

Dagmar:

That's what Patrick shipped with Slackware 11

[12:36:46]

dustybin:

surely thats a security risk?

[12:36:54]

Dagmar:

No, it's just old and annoying.

[12:37:16]

dustybin:

why didnt u choose gentoo?

[12:37:17]

Dagmar:

There's a 2.6.18 kernel package in the testing/ directory of the DVD, but Pat made it clear he doesn't trust it.

[12:37:17]

GreyFoxx:

dustybin: And noone is stuck with it, it's just the default

[12:37:19]

Beirdo:

sorry, I had to go get fooood

[12:37:35]

dustybin:

i see

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Dagmar:

...and he built the thing for 486's.

[12:37:48]

dustybin:

l33t

[12:38:02]

Dagmar:

I kinda think people with 486's still in use need to fork off their own distro called "Geriatric Linux" or something

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Milosch:

reminds me, i miss ipchains

[12:38:14]

dustybin:

id imagine Patrick is the kind of person with too much time on his hands...

[12:39:18]

dustybin:

so u guys been using linux for year

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dustybin:

s

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Beirdo:

yup

[12:39:31]

dustybin:

ive only been using it for 8 months

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Milosch:

i still have a coprocessor for a 386SX around here somewhere...

[12:39:40]

dustybin:

heh

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Milosch:

foruntately, i never had a 386SX

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GreyFoxx:

I went from an 8088 to a 486sx25 turbo! flip a switch and it would back down to 8mhz :)

[12:40:04]

dustybin:

i started off with ubuntu then moved onto debian etch what i use now

[12:40:09]

Milosch:

started with the 486DX33

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dustybin:

heheheeh

[12:40:29]

dustybin:

but originally i started off with a C64 >> Amiga >> Power Mac >> PC

[12:40:30]

GreyFoxx:

before the 8088 it was all commodore and apple for me

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Dagmar:

C=64

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dustybin:

aye

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Dagmar:

Eaaaaasy assembly programming on that

[12:41:05]

Milosch:

had access to a CBM at one point around 1980...

[12:41:09]

Dagmar:

With modern stuff I'm like "You've got HOW MANY REGISTERS?!?!?"

[12:41:15]

dustybin:

well it was too heavy for me at the time but the cpu instruction set was a lot simplier

[12:41:16]

Beirdo:

heh. in the PC world... NEC V20 (think turbo 8088) -> 286/12MHz -> 386DX40 -> 486, etc

[12:41:26]

Milosch:

Beirdo: ouch!

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Milosch:

those were awful ;)

[12:41:37]

Beirdo:

that NEC V20 ruled.

[12:41:54]

Dagmar:

The people with the rights to the Commodore name are making a new PC soon.

[12:41:56]

dustybin:

was the 8088 for PC chip to be released?

[12:42:00]

Dagmar:

Someone should tell them that no one cares anymore.

[12:42:01]

Beirdo:

an XT at 8MHz instead of 4.77 or whatever

[12:42:02]

dustybin:

*first

[12:42:22]

Beirdo:

8088 was the first used in PCs, yes

[12:42:30]

dustybin:

aye

[12:42:31]

Beirdo:

IBM PC XT

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Beirdo:

IIRC

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Milosch:

sounds familiar

[12:42:53]

dustybin:

my favourite computer time was the Amiga demo days

[12:42:57]

GreyFoxx:

My 8088 has a C: ROM drive. The base OS and tools were in an eeprom on the board

[12:43:01]

rsdvd:

8086was the first – 8088 has a match processor

[12:43:09]

Beirdo:

GreyFoxx, now that rules

[12:43:14]

GreyFoxx:

I remember the day I updated from my 360k flopies to the 720

[12:43:16]

GreyFoxx:

hehe

[12:43:17]

Milosch:

we had PC's for registers at the video store back then...

[12:43:20]

GreyFoxx:

Beirdo: IT was sweet

[12:43:26]

Milosch:

85

[12:43:40]

dustybin:

do u guys remember the BBC Micro / Master

[12:43:52]

Beirdo:

who needs to waste space on their 30MB hard drive for the OS?

[12:43:54]

Beirdo:

heh

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rsdvd:

BBC was a brilliant machine

[12:44:16]

GreyFoxx:

Beirdo: REmember the hardCARDs? before drives?

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Beirdo:

yup :)

[12:44:27]

dustybin:

rsdvd: with the cub monitor

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Milosch:

rsdvd: hey, did you get that remote working?

[12:44:30]

Beirdo:

fun times

[12:44:30]

GreyFoxx:

I wanted a 10meg hardcard bad back then

[12:44:32]

Dagmar:

I think you guys should have had to use cassette tapes at least once

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rsdvd:

:-)

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Beirdo:

Dagmar, I had a Commodore PET 4032 as well

[12:44:47]

GreyFoxx:

I remember the day I moved from my Monochrome monitor to a CGA monitor... sweet stuff hehe

[12:44:57]

Milosch:

Beirdo: nice

[12:44:57]

Beirdo:

two tape drives and a disk drive (which cost a bundle)

[12:45:06]

rsdvd:

how about the amstrads with 3" rectangualr flappy disks

[12:45:09]

GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: I used those on my apple machines and vic20's :)

[12:45:13]

dustybin:

haha i remember those green monochrome monitors lol

[12:45:13]

Beirdo:

ye olde fat-40

[12:45:15]

Milosch:

Beirdo: the dual floppy?

[12:45:18]

Beirdo:

yup

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Dagmar:

Umm... three inch floppies?

[12:45:34]

Beirdo:

my dad (a teacher) long-term borrowed it from work (school)

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Milosch:

we did too, 8" iirc

[12:45:38]

Dagmar:

Don't you mean 8" or 5.25"?

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Beirdo:

somehow the school didn't care that we had the drive all the time :)

[12:46:16]

rsdvd:

no 3"....rectangualr disks – I will find a pic

[12:46:34]

dustybin:

i remember 5.25", C64 1541 disk drive used them

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Beirdo:

maybe because my dad was the only teacher there who had half a clue how to use the computers

[12:46:58]

rsdvd:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amstrad_PCW

[12:47:09]

Dagmar:

Ohh...

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Dagmar:

Those werne't all that floppy

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rsdvd:

:-) they were the forerunner to 3.5".......same thing just rectangualr – and I could never work out how a circular platter needed a rectangualr outer

[12:48:20]

Dagmar:

I have a small stash of 8" floppies that mainly are used to tease people on LSD

[12:48:47]

Dagmar:

They generally have no clear way of knowing they're not looking at a 5.25" floppy

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Milosch:

hand them that and a giant remote and tell them they've shrunk

[12:49:30]

Dagmar:

I used to have a bunch of odd-sized stuff like that

[12:50:15]

Dagmar:

A massive zippo, tiny little stapler, a small stash of shortie beers, just to mess with the occasional person who might come over tripping

[12:50:35]

Dagmar:

Let 'em go to the bathroom, quickly switch everything out, and then act like nothing's wrong

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Milosch:

don't forget your giant budweiser can suit

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Dagmar:

No need.

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Milosch:

while singing the peanut butter jelly time song

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Dagmar:

Between the various things suddenly the wrong size, and the extra loud ticking clock on the wall, most of the time they'd be breaking a sweat trying not to let on they were panicking inside before 5 minutes were up

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Beirdo:

GreyFoxx, you got a moment?

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gbee:

any ideas why one a frontend always boots up in 1024x768 despite the only 'allowable' resolution in the X config being 720x576?

[12:53:43]

Dagmar:

gbee: It may be reading another config file from the user's homedir or somesuch

[12:53:51]

gbee:

I can resize it after booting (xrandr) but I can't figure out why it insists on booting with the wrong res

[12:54:02]

Dagmar:

gbee: put something guaranteed to foul it up in the one you think it's using and see what happens

[12:57:47]

akifdino:

my remote jumps double menuentries if pressed, i tryed changing repeat in lircrc but without success

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GreyFoxx:

Beirdo: Sup ?

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Beirdo:

you made a custom slack-based install image or something?

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Beirdo:

just lookin for pointers :)

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GreyFoxx:

I use to have one yeah. Basically I did a full install/basic config

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GreyFoxx:

then tarballed the whole thing and burned it onto a bootable CD with a shellscript that would wipe all partitions, fdisk the drivermake filesystems and then untar everything

[13:02:11]

Beirdo:

ooooh

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Beirdo:

nice

[13:02:14]

GreyFoxx:

a full install for take around 2minutes

[13:02:51]

Beirdo:

that's cool. :)

[13:03:05]

GreyFoxx:

I kept the "real" install in avmware session, so I would just udpate it as needed, regen the tarball and burn a new disk

[13:03:17]

Beirdo:

If I can't find anything usable, I may do just about the same thing. I don't wanna do knoppmyth, I don't think

[13:03:26]

GreyFoxx:

there were 3 install scripts. install-ide.sh, install-scsi.sh and install-sata.sh

[13:03:34]

Beirdo:

ahhh, I'd be keeping it in a dir that I'd NFS root mount, etc

[13:03:50]

Beirdo:

got a PXE environment up and working and all :)

[13:04:20]

Beirdo:

was it all much work to setup?

[13:04:27]

GreyFoxx:

right now my msntv's all nfsroot to my fileserver. they all share /, /usr and /home, but /etc /tmp and /var are all seperate

[13:04:32]

GreyFoxx:

nope

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GreyFoxx:

I installed the original in vmware (more conveinent that using a real pc), then cloned the setup over to my nfs server

[13:05:24]

Beirdo:

cool. Well, I'll let ya know how it goes, I guess. I think I'll do mine based on Ubuntu probably (just for a common platform with the rest of my stuff)

[13:05:33]

GreyFoxx:

makes sense

[13:05:43]

Beirdo:

will take a bit of work to trim that beotch right down though ;(

[13:05:58]

GreyFoxx:

heh so I'm told by people who hate how long it takes to boot

[13:06:19]

Beirdo:

and I may use ghost for the final image (since I own it, and have it already there for Win98SE)

[13:06:34]

Beirdo:

Ghost 2003 does do ext2 filesystems :)

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juski:

Beirdo: I only managed to getthe boot time down to about 40s by trimming the init scripts

[13:07:15]

Beirdo:

that's not too bad, though

[13:07:16]

GreyFoxx:

right now at work when I install a new machine I boot a knoppix CD, tftp over a shell script , then run it. it partitions/formats, sets up raid and installs the distro over the network

[13:07:27]

Beirdo:

I'm sure there's something that can be trimmed on that machine :)

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Beirdo:

:)

[13:07:39]

GreyFoxx:

I comeback 10 minutes later and it's done and ready to have it's hostname/ip assigned

[13:07:55]

Beirdo:

yeah, I think I'll be putting a knoppix or gentoo live CD there for quick fixing stuff

[13:08:12]

juski:

Beirdo: considering I've seen slack boot in about 10s

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GreyFoxx:

the script also checks a share for any updated packages to install to the base distro

[13:08:25]

Beirdo:

the Ubuntu "rescue" image is useless unless you have a local mirror of the repository

[13:08:29]

Beirdo:

which I may also do

[13:09:12]

Beirdo:

although I'm not sure how much space THAT will take

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rsdvd:

juski : could I ask you a really OT question about electronics?

[13:09:49]

Beirdo:

and with Liberty's illustrious connections... it might not even be feasible

[13:10:24]

GreyFoxx:

Liberty *snicker*

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GreyFoxx:

heheh

[13:10:34]

Beirdo:

I really wish we had a choice

[13:10:41]

juski:

rsdvd: gwan then

[13:10:46]

Beirdo:

PRTC doesn't have DSL to this neighborhood yet

[13:10:53]

** GreyFoxx reboots, brb **

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Beirdo:

the RF-based internet's about 10 miles away

[13:11:01]

Beirdo:

so Liberty it is...

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rsdvd:

I have a 25 core cable (read really thin wires) running from my loft down to the conservatory.......I am trying to get CCTV to run over it

[13:11:25]

Beirdo:

whoever it was that said "give me liberty or give me death" did not forsee this company using Liberty as the name

[13:11:41]

juski:

rsdvd: ugh don't even think about it

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rsdvd:

I have a continuity in the wires (tested with multimeter) but the dc curretn is not passing over it

[13:12:34]

rsdvd:

juski : I know it is going to be crap – but it is the only way I have of getting signal from the garden to the loft

[13:13:17]

rsdvd:

I just cannot work out how I can have 12v at one end of the wire – and absolutly nothign at the other end......when there are no breaks

[13:13:36]

juski:

rsdvd: it has to be screened, or twisted pair with balanced transmission over it

[13:13:53]

juski:

seriously

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juski:

it'd be completely unwatchable anyway

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sreality_:

anyone here have some ivtv experience?

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rsdvd:

the cheap cameras I am using are just thin unshielded wire connecting to a 5-pin min-din

[13:14:30]

juski:

rsdvd: if it worked it'd be covered in mains hum anyway

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clever:

rsdvd i can grab my cable box

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clever:

and the cable wire from the wall

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juski:

the same as having NO camera

[13:14:45]

clever:

and get 120 volts

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clever:

thru me:P

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juski:

a short length of unshielded cable is ok

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juski:

sreality_: oh you didn't read the message from the channel bot when you logged in?

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rsdvd:

juski : the camera works fine over 50m of cheap unshielded cable (we had that at the other house)

[13:15:54]

sreality_:

juski: i've been idle in here since... last week? :)

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rsdvd:

this is much less than that – just differnet cable

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juski:

how thin can 25w cable be anyway?!

[13:16:05]

clever:

i often use rca audio lines for composite or component video

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clever:

sometimes several of them end to end

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sreality_:

juski: just figured i could get through it, but now I'm stuck, and I need an answer :)

[13:16:20]

clever:

and i havent noticed any major problems

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clever:

other then some 60hz faint rolling bars

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sreality_:

juski: I've gotten ivtv to compile before.. but for some reason now, its being difficult

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rsdvd:

juski : the cores are solid – like telephone wire...the cable is actually rather chunky

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clever:

the core of the lines im using for composite are stranded i think

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clever:

but i have used telephone wire as speaker wire before

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rsdvd:

I am just trying to work out how I can have a current at one end and not at the other end

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akifdino:

teletext is showing crap, mainly control characters, some pages are ok. is there anything i can do about this?

[13:18:00]

dustybin:

theres a new series of the real hustle! dont forget to set your mythbox to record!

[13:18:07]

clever:

ive got a pair of 4 core telephone wires leaving my sterio and going up the wall

[13:18:19]

clever:

in them are 6 audio signals and a common

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praet:

akifdino: youve got lots of problems...

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clever:

no wait 4 signals

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clever:

back speakers and secondary

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akifdino:

praet: no they mainly solved ;)

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praet:

akifdino: does captioning work on another tv?

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akifdino:

praet: most of them

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clever:

secondary goes to many rooms and is selected with a main/2nd on the sterio amp

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praet:

akifdino: fixed the remote double entrY?

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akifdino:

praet: what do you mean with captioning?

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akifdino:

praet: yes, fixed

[13:19:25]

praet:

oh same as teletrext

[13:19:27]

clever:

praet: i dont have closed captioning working on mythtv yet

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clever:

i dont think its recording it right

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clever:

if its even recording it at all

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akifdino:

praet: yes it did work with the receiver before. it shows text pages but some of them are crap

[13:21:13]

praet:

ive seen that happen without the mythbox in the chain so it definately could be the source (depends on channel too)

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juski:

rsdvd: sorry to say this but I think you made a mistake in your testing

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rsdvd:

such as?

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juski:

rsdvd: if you tested continuity by shorting a pair at one end & measuring it at the other, for one ;)

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praet:

right, you need a loop

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juski:

yeah but if both wires are shorted anyway... :-P

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clever:

short the + and – at one end and measure the ohms at the other?

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juski:

so it's a phone cable.. maybe it goes somewhere else

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juski:

I'd be all for ripping it out & using it to pull a new one in

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clever:

the phone cables i was using i ran myself so they go exactly where i wanted them to

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praet:

yeah i made a mistake like that with the thermometer cable. had to pull it out and found that it was the one to another floor.

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rsdvd:

If I test the continuty between to wires and it is an open circuit – then twist them at one end...and it is closed – then surly that means they are not shirted anywhere else?

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clever:

and my 'terminal' blocks where 3 screws put into a peice of wood

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clever:

with a wire twist stuck under each

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praet:

clever: yeah ive seen that done with phone lines

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rsdvd:

juski : i ran this cable – it is not actullay phone cable it is PoS (point of sale) cable I used to use for tills

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clever:

i did it using them as speaker lines

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clever:

and using those 'terminal' blocks as spliters

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clever:

the 1 speaker line pair goes up and into 4 locations

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clever:

spliting off at multiple places

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praet:

i have yet to delve into speaker wiring.. my home pc is loud enough

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clever:

the sterio downstairs has 4 speakers on it in that room

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clever:

the spare output which can be selected with a button

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clever:

goes up

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Beirdo:

speaking of wonderful connections... just got loss of sync for 15min

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clever:

splits and up to the kitchen which isnt connected anyway

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clever:

and off to the window

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clever:

where it splits to the bedroom and the deck

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clever:

then at the deck it splits off in 3 directions

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clever:

going to either side of the deck and the garage

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clever:

the wires at the 2 ends of the desk are bare and expose but are 0.5 inch appart and because of the solid core they probly wont short even in the wind+rain

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praet:

rsdvd: 25 seems reaaaly thin

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praet:

couldnt you use that line to pull the recommended cctv line?

[13:29:36]

GrizzlyAdams:

anyone else have problems with the new DST and zap2it ?

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rsdvd:

praet : the cores are rather thin – but it is plastered into the wall through 2 rooms – no way to pull another

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Beirdo:

I don't have DST, so no :)

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clever:

GrizzlyAdams: i had a slight problem but it was my setting of TZ mostly

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GrizzlyAdams:

all my recordings are off by an hour

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rsdvd:

even though the cores are thin – they shoudl still carry a voltage for the 30feet....but they dont

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GreyFoxx:

GrizzlyAdams: I had to restart mysqld to pickup the new timzone

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Beirdo:

rsdvd, did you measure the resistance of the cable, end-to-end?

[13:30:51]

GreyFoxx:

but I also manually refreshed all of my program guide info

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GrizzlyAdams:

GreyFoxx: how did you flush the old guide data?

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clever:

GreyFoxx: my mysql was running in the system timezone which switched over properly

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clever:

and the front/back was in CST6

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clever:

forcing gmt-6

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rsdvd:

I have no way of measuring it end-to-end – 1 end is in the loft – the other the conservatory

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clever:

it should be CDT5 now:P

[13:31:33]

GreyFoxx:

clever: Mine didn't, had to restart it to pickup the new one

[13:31:46]

GreyFoxx:

GrizzlyAdams: mythfilldatabase --refresh-all

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clever:

need to find a better TZ setting so it will detect the offect on its own

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GreyFoxx:

will cause it to download all days over again

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GrizzlyAdams:

k

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GrizzlyAdams:

i hope that catches it

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GrizzlyAdams:

yea

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GrizzlyAdams:

looks like it did

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praet:

yeah thats what i did.

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praet:

rsdvd: how long can you estimate thie wire runs

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rsdvd:

praet : 30–40 feet

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GrizzlyAdams:

rsdvd: what kind of cable?

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praet:

25 guage

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praet:

*gauge

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GrizzlyAdams:

i mean for what purpose?

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praet:

rsdvd: there will be a voltage drop with that thickness

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praet:

hes looking to wire a cctv camera

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GrizzlyAdams:

wow, over that?

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GrizzlyAdams:

there will be tons of noise

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praet:

well if the wire is plasterd into walls it might be worth trying.. or you could go for a fancy wireless system

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praet:

any idea how many amps the camera needs?

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clever:

o crud

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clever:

my zap2it password is in plain sight in ps aux when filldb is running

[13:49:18]

clever:

good thing i noticed that before giving others access to the box:P

[13:49:42]

praet:

thats wierd

[13:49:52]

clever:

in the args to wget

[13:50:50]

clever:

now where is the login page for zap2it again i lost it

[13:50:59]

praet:

labs.zap2it.com,

[13:51:05]

clever:

thanks

[13:51:53]

juski:

rg179 for thin camera cable, or so

[13:52:15]

juski:

or use screened mic HST mic cable if you're going balanced ;)

[13:52:55]

juski:

praet: typical cctv camera takes about 100mA, unless you're talking about one of those fancy PTZ domes

[13:55:01]

rsdvd:

praet : sorry I got ditracted! I have no idea what the current rating is – but these are really cheap CCDs, and run on any voltage from 3v-15v......I have happily run them on a PP£ battery before now

[13:55:18]

juski:

shitty micromark jobbies :)

[13:55:38]

juski:

B&Q specials :)

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praet:

very little.. the voltage drop over 30–40 ft should not drop below the cameras needed load

[13:55:57]

juski:

so there must be afault in the cable

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juski:

like i said

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rsdvd:

juski : homenet – they cam from the homebuilds expo a couple of years ago

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rsdvd:

juski : any advice on how to detect a fault inthe wire.....if my continuity test is not good enough

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praet:

i love seeing 'decoy' cameras at the local pubs

[13:57:35]

juski:

rsdvd: the only way would be to inject a signal into it & detect it at the other end

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juski:

shorting a pair & testing it atthe other end isn't enough

[13:57:57]

juski:

unless of course you test for shorts in the first place ;)

[13:57:59]

rsdvd:

I don't have an oscillocape :-)

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juski:

you don't need one

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juski:

walkman & an old pair of headphones

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rsdvd:

what sort of signal?

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juski:

or a small speaker

[13:58:20]

praet:

if he had two multimeters, grounded out the neutral on one end and the same on the other would it detect?

[13:58:29]

clever:

praet: found an exact example of the problem i caught

[13:58:31]

clever:

mythtv 1400 0.0 0.2 3612 1376 pts/2 S+ 08:57 0:00 wget --http-user=cleverca22 --http-passwd=EDITEDOUT:P --post-file=/tmp/mythtv_post_3hyBWa --header=Accept-Encoding:gzip http://datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com/tvlistings/xtvdService --output-document=-

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juski:

just check all the wires at one side to make sure none is shorted to any other

[13:58:54]

juski:

then loop a pair at the other side

[13:58:56]

clever:

ive changed the password for zap2it to a uniq one so nothing else is broken when it leaks

[13:59:06]

juski:

assuming the first test found no shorts

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rsdvd:

I have done that! there is no shorts between any of the ends.....then I looped a pair at the other end and there was then continuty

[13:59:40]

Dagmar:

You mean a continuity tester?

[13:59:40]

praet:

wget -i ?

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juski:

rsdvd: so your wiring is wrong

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rsdvd:

Dagmar : with a 'buz' test on a multimeter

[14:00:05]

Dagmar:

YAY for USOC

[14:00:27]

clever:

praet: -i only appears to feed it a url

[14:00:31]

juski:

rsdvd: use a resistance range

[14:00:41]

clever:

the name/pw would still show on the ps aux

[14:00:49]

rsdvd:

I will give the 'signal' test a go – I will wire one end to a stereo....and the other to headphones

[14:01:10]

rsdvd:

juski : when they are looped in the loft -the resitance is really low

[14:01:52]

Dagmar:

Low as in only 200–300 ohms?

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juski:

with as many as 25 cores in there there's loads of opportunity to get the wiring wrong

[14:04:01]

juski:

if it'd been me I would've put cat5 in there

[14:04:35]

clever:

got a few spare cores in it?

[14:05:18]

gbee:

hmm, after messing with the xconfig and installing a newer nvidia driver I'm now seeing tearing on video

[14:05:34]

clever:

gbee: crt or lcd?

[14:05:37]

Dagmar:

vblank, yo

[14:05:42]

praet:

clever: yeah you're right. i was thinking that you could input a file with the passembeded, and then chmod the file so that other accounts have no access

[14:05:43]

gbee:

shouldn't have touched, I remember how hard it was to get this right in the first place

[14:05:45]

Beirdo:

dammit, why is it that no matter how much space I have available, it's always full?

[14:05:54]

gbee:

clever_: CRT (PAL-I TV)

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Dagmar:

Beirdo: Those damn stations keep broadcasting

[14:06:08]

clever:

gbee: ahh my problem is a tearing effect on a lcd panel

[14:06:14]

Beirdo:

nah, myth is offline for now

[14:06:18]

clever:

which i think is digital the whole way

[14:06:25]

Beirdo:

granted 500G of the 800+G is for myth

[14:06:26]

Beirdo:

heh

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clever:

doesnt seem posible to get that kind of artifact on my setup

[14:06:50]

** Beirdo shrinks some oversized filesystems on the LVM **

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clever:

lol

[14:07:11]

clever:

im having a 5gig lv for each of the anime shows i watch

[14:07:19]

gbee:

I'm not sure if the newer nvidia driver is using this 'modepool' stuff and just ignoring the modeline I've supplied

[14:07:21]

clever:

once i fill that i have enough to burn a dvd

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Beirdo:

well, I have a RAID5 with 4*300G drives... so 900G (as 10^30 G)

[14:07:47]

clever:

lol nice

[14:07:51]

Beirdo:

which is like 830G real G

[14:07:52]

clever:

i have a single pv in my lvm right now

[14:07:53]

gbee:

huh, even though I've got the vertrefresh at 60, xrandr says it's using 50

[14:07:54]

praet:

gbee: what is your card and what is your driver version

[14:07:54]

clever:

20gig

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Beirdo:

and I have 20G available

[14:07:58]

Beirdo:

heh

[14:08:02]

Beirdo:

it's just wrong

[14:08:05]

clever:

i have 20g total:P

[14:08:15]

clever:

for the lvm side

[14:08:27]

Beirdo:

well, I LVM'd the whole RAID5

[14:08:28]

Beirdo:

so...

[14:08:31]

praet:

Beirdo: time to re-organize and cleanup

[14:08:31]

clever:

mysql and os are on a 60gig root partition

[14:08:38]

clever:

lol

[14:08:39]

Beirdo:

praet, yeah, doing it righ tnow

[14:08:45]

clever:

im not mixing raid and lvm

[14:08:54]

Beirdo:

I had 10G set aside for building mythtv, shrinking it to 4G

[14:08:55]

clever:

havent looked at raid

[14:09:08]

Beirdo:

I have hardware RAID5, BTW, not software

[14:09:09]

clever:

you could make clean and use that space

[14:09:11]

gbee:

GeForce 4mx, 9631

[14:09:13]

Beirdo:

costs, but well worth it

[14:09:17]

praet:

Beirdo: the way i did it last week was when the harddrive failed :)

[14:09:19]

clever:

ahhh

[14:09:29]

Beirdo:

praet, now that sucks

[14:09:30]

clever:

my lvm is probly all software

[14:09:41]

Beirdo:

LVM is software, of course

[14:09:49]

gbee:

I didn't really need to update the nvidia driver, I should back down to the series 7 one I was using before

[14:10:09]

Beirdo:

but my RAID5 shows up to the kernel as a SCSI disk :)

[14:10:11]

clever:

but its going by 8mb blocks so it doesnt have that large of a lookup table

[14:10:12]

clever:

compared to a 512byte blocks:P

[14:10:29]

clever:

Beirdo: how do you control the settings on it?

[14:10:30]

praet:

gbee: i have driver 9746 working great

[14:10:43]

Beirdo:

by the card's BIOS

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clever:

ahhh

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clever:

and then it just looks like a huge scsi acording to all dumb and smart os's

[14:11:09]

Beirdo:

if I had paid more, I coulda got a 3ware card :)

[14:11:11]

Zider:

9755 is out now

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praet:

nvidia-graphics-switch 7###

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praet:

thx Zider

[14:11:30]

Beirdo:

aye. each RAID set shows up as a SCSI drive and the RAID controller as a SCSI controller

[14:11:40]

gbee:

97xx removed support for the GF4 mx – but other than that the only difference I can see is the addition of modepool

[14:11:46]

clever:

Beirdo i think lvm is alot more flexible letting me add and remove pv's as i need

[14:11:57]

clever:

if a drive is failing i can add a pv to replace it

[14:12:02]

clever:

and pvmove the pe's off

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Beirdo:

yes, I know how LVM works

[14:12:15]

clever:

with only 2 short downtimes

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clever:

how would you replace a part of a failing raid?

[14:12:27]

Beirdo:

LVM is for splitting up massive amounts of space

[14:12:36]

praet:

gbee: what did you change in xorg?

[14:12:36]

Beirdo:

pull the drive, put in a new one

[14:12:38]

Beirdo:

it rebuilds

[14:12:45]

clever:

what about the data that was on it?

[14:12:46]

Beirdo:

LVM has no redundancy at all

[14:12:51]

Beirdo:

a drive fails, it is GONE

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clever:

what if you caught it early

[14:13:02]

Beirdo:

with RAID5, there's redundance.

[14:13:04]

Beirdo:

y

[14:13:06]

clever:

and its only a few bad sectors

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bio___:

so put lvm over the raid :)

[14:13:09]

juski:

can we ban talking about lvm? or shall I just p off?

[14:13:16]

praet:

haha

[14:13:19]

gardengnome:

re

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clever:

my laptop drive is semi failing

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Beirdo:

if a drive fails, you put in a new drive and it rebuilds

[14:13:24]

clever:

some sectors are bad

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clever:

but aslong as i stay away from them it runs perfectly

[14:13:36]

Beirdo:

anyways, let's not piss off the juski :)

[14:13:41]

gbee:

praet: nothing, well all the changes I made I've since reverted

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clever:

lol

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juski:

Beirdo: I don't mind so much except it can go on for days

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Beirdo:

I know

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Beirdo:

sorry

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gardengnome:

i think the dinosaurs are gone because of an LVM flamewar

[14:14:36]

clever:

you can get arround lvm;s lack of redundance by having each pv as a raid mirror

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rsdvd:

jsuki / everyone : ignore all I have been saying – It was operator error :-) I had my wires mixed up

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clever:

and just using pairs of matching drives

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gardengnome:

hey rsdvd

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clever:

rsdvd LOL

[14:14:59]

juski:

maybe I could contact freenode & get them to start up #lvm-vs-RAID-vs-raidedLVM

[14:15:08]

clever:

lol

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juski:

rsdvd: o/

[14:15:15]

** juski does the I fucking told you so dance **

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Dr_willis:

raid-lvm-raid

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rsdvd:

I had blue with black bands mixed up with balck with blue bands – gor I hate 25 core!

[14:15:42]

rsdvd:

now I have power – just need to work out why I have no picture :-)

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praet:

gbee: do you see high cpu usage when vblanking?

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praet:

try adding Option "UseEvents" "True"

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clever:

i dont need redundanc with my mythtv data and all my avi's are from torrent which can patch the damage up

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juski:

rsdvd: greenblue/bluegreen? ;)

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clever:

so i dont realy need raid for mirroring

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Dr_willis:

clever, :)

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Dr_willis:

I noticed the MythDORA setup used a LVM. which was nice i guess.. if i really knew how to use lvm

[14:17:02]

Beirdo:

hmmm, that's 34G free

[14:17:04]

Beirdo:

getting better

[14:17:05]

clever:

yeah if a system used a single pv/vg/lv by default in the installer

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clever:

it would be great

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Beirdo:

what else can shrink?

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juski:

Umbumtoo sets up an lvm thingy. damned if I know what it's for though

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clever:

because once you do learn of lvm

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clever:

you can easily expand the system all you want

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gardengnome:

lvm ain't hard to use

[14:17:30]

clever:

no fussing with converting the root to lvm root

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juski:

I turned it off. saves 50ns boot time

[14:17:48]

Dr_willis:

I never noticed Ubuntu setting up lvm.

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praet:

./j #lvm-vs-RAID-vs-raidedLVM

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clever:

ubuntu has lvm support by default but doesnt use a lvm'ed root install

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Beirdo:

good

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Beirdo:

that's asking for trouble

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clever:

ive noticed the ubuntu livecd's starting up lvm

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stuarta:

md'd root is good, lvm'd is evil

[14:18:43]

Dr_willis:

it may be 'starting' the stuff to scan for lvm's

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clever:

mostly because its scaning all drives for pv headers and it slows the whole boot process to a crawl making that msg stick at the end for a noticable time:P

[14:19:51]

Beirdo:

lvm should not be relied on for system partitions, IMHO. I agree with stuarta. md mirror your system, use LVM for data

[14:20:10]

clever:

my rootfs is plain ext3 on a plain ide partition

[14:20:12]

Beirdo:

but let's put LVM to bed for now?

[14:20:18]

clever:

didnt know anything about lvm when i installed

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juski:

yeah for another 10 mins. it'll come up again :)

[14:20:31]

clever:

lol

[14:20:40]

clever:

also a minor problem on the X of my laptop frontend

[14:20:52]

clever:

after 10mins

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clever:

the screen goes 'black'

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clever:

but doesnt shut off

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clever:

so its still waisting power

[14:21:04]

Beirdo:

VESA blanking

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clever:

which is useless when on batery

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Beirdo:

so change your settings

[14:21:23]

clever:

where would i enable vesa blanking?

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Beirdo:

screensaver

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Beirdo:

I think that's what's on right now

[14:21:40]

** clever looks at xscreensaver setup **

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Beirdo:

hmmm, wonder if I can remove some of the crapola from the laptop harddrive image

[14:22:08]

Beirdo:

that could help me

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clever:

du --max-depth=1|sort -n

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clever:

lists off all folders in cwd sorted by disk usage

[14:22:45]

Beirdo:

like the 10G!!! for cfgsafe!?

[14:22:48]

Beirdo:

fuck that

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clever:

add a -x to the du to keep it from going into filesystems mounted inside the cwd

[14:23:07]

Beirdo:

I know how to use du :)

[14:23:14]

Beirdo:

been doing this for 13 years now

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clever:

i use du|sort alot

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clever:

i see 0 settings about vese in xscreensaver-demo

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Beirdo:

look for stuff like blank screen, etc

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clever:

only things under power management is auto standby/suspend/off

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Beirdo:

or look in the power settings

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Beirdo:

I dunno

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clever:

the other stuff is where to get images for image maniplulating savers and the fade in/out times

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clever:

version 4.23

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** Beirdo blows away the 1.6G of cygwin from the image too **

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gbee:

praet: I tried useevents, just to see, but it made no difference – I'm pretty sure now that it's just down to the driver picking a bad modeline, so I'll revert back to before they added the modepool stuff

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Beirdo:

anyone know WTF an .rmj file is?

[14:26:47]

clever:

run 'file' on it:P

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Beirdo:

OMG, they had it... RealMedia

[14:27:17]

clever:

lol see:P

[14:27:18]

praet:

heh

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Beirdo:

I'll clean that up later

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praet:

music

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clever:

cant hurt to check first

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Beirdo:

1.8G of that too

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praet:

i like using dirstat

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Beirdo:

but I just freed 13G of space :)

[14:28:05]

clever:

no such cmd

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clever:

closest thing i can find is kdirstat

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serfrs:

got a ? and was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction... Got my master backend going, then setup my frontend.. Go to watch TV, and the picture is close to being 4–5X's the size it should be

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serfrs:

I set the overscan to a lower ammount... all it does is make that "box" smaller, leaving the picture the same size

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Dagmar:

serfs: This is what happens when you tell it locale "Florida/OldFolksHome"

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serfrs:

hehehehehehehehehehehe

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juski:

that's an evil laugh

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juski:

you're after my job you bugger

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serfrs:

I like watching Chuck Norris, bt not when all I can see is just his HUGE melon

[14:37:42]

clever:

Beirdo: went under power management which was its own menu option seperate from the screensaver(which is also missing:P) and found what i think i need

[14:37:46]

clever:

in 10mins i'll know

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serfrs:

anyone know how to adjust it so the streaming vid is actually the correct size for my screen?

[14:38:08]

juski:

grr passwords in rar files are just God's way of telling you you've been naughty

[14:38:27]

serfrs:

even recordings are the same way

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serfrs:

:(

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juski:

serfrs: yeah. when it fits, it's the correct size

[14:38:35]

Dagmar:

You're supposed to keep that browser tab open until you've downloaded the whole file

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clever:

serfrs: when i play my files they are 4:3 but my player thinks there 1:1 if im playing outside of mythtv

[14:39:06]

clever:

with vlc im able to force the file to be treated 4:3

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clever:

and with a 4:3 tv i can force mplayer to think the moniter is 1:1 giving a semi fix

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Dagmar:

serfs: As you can see, clever is his own worst enemy

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clever:

lol

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Dagmar:

serfs: Did you happen to do anything you thought was especially "clever" when you set things up? The boring defaults are almost always guaranteed to work.

[14:40:11]

clever:

with vlc i can just set the proper aspect

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serfrs:

no.... didn't change a damn thang :(

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Dagmar:

So what resolution did you tell X to use?

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clever:

Dagmar: my nuv files are square in there pixel counts and appear to be lacking in the aspect ratio headers

[14:41:02]

clever:

playing any nuv outside of myth causes it to act like its 1:1

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serfrs:

on the frontend?... full screen

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Dagmar:

serfs: No, what _resolution_

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clever:

all files work fine inside myth

[14:41:23]

serfrs:

800x600

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Dagmar:

serfs: Did you tell it to run the display in 320x200 or something?

[14:41:29]

Dagmar:

Hmm...

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serfrs:

that was my default resolution

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serfrs:

everythig works great (menus, etc).. its just the streaming vid form my backend...

[14:42:18]

Dagmar:

Hmm... You keep using this word "streaming"

[14:42:29]

serfrs:

well, no crads located in my frontend

[14:42:32]

Dagmar:

What did you do that is different from just "watching video with the frontend"?

[14:42:33]

serfrs:

*cards

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serfrs:

what do ya mean different

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serfrs:

examples please :)

[14:43:29]

gbee:

well reverting to 7676 fixed it

[14:43:29]

Dagmar:

I mean what did you do that you thought was necessary to play videos on your frontend?

[14:44:00]

serfrs:

nothing... hmmm.. maybe I'm not explaining myself good enough :)

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Dagmar:

I think you're leaving something out

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serfrs:

with my frontend, all I got is a radion 9550-SBlive-5.1.... Backend (which was my forntend up until 3 days ago) I got a dvb-s, PCHDTV3000, and a 500MCE

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serfrs:

so, in MY mind, I'm really streaming TV to the front end... since it has no tuner cards

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serfrs:

the backend isn't even connected to a television

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masonsjax:

join perlcafe

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masonsjax:

doh

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serfrs:

when I go to watch recordings (vids) and LIVE tv, the picture is HUGE

[14:47:34]

serfrs:

everythig else fits (menu, openbox, etc)

[14:47:57]

serfrs:

its just the video that is coming from the backend thats getting EXPLODED

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akifdino_:

how can i find out if my mythtv was compiled with perl bindings?

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serfrs:

Dagmar, in your opinion do you think its a option on the frontend, or backend that I need to look at?

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Chai_Sangeen:

hello everybody...

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Chai_Sangeen:

anyone can help im trying to connect my laptop to 40" lcd with "1366x768" resolution... the laptop had ati video card 9700 mobility and the fglrx driver are working fine can anyone help out with the xorg.conf ?

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praet:

err. what do you have already?

[15:08:17]

Chai_Sangeen:

praet, the resolution

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Chai_Sangeen:

praet, i think its set at 1400x1050

[15:08:47]

praet:

http://pastebin.ca/393390 something like this

[15:09:28]

Chai_Sangeen:

praet, one sec let me copy them

[15:09:49]

praet:

http://pastebin.ca/393393 there is another example

[15:10:31]

praet:

oh and Beirdo i was talking about using dirstat which is found here: http://kdirstat.sourceforge.net/

[15:10:37]

praet:

in treemap view

[15:12:24]

Chai_Sangeen:

praet, http://pastebin.ca/393398

[15:12:33]

Chai_Sangeen:

praet, thats my current settings

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praet:

k

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rsdvd:

juski : just to lte you know – I have now got a working cctv camera from the gazebo in my garden via the loft to my office :-) Video and sound working fine

[15:13:32]

praet:

nice work rsdvd

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rsdvd:

:-)

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Chai_Sangeen:

praet, do i just plug it on the last line of "Monitor" section ?

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praet:

like this: http://pastebin.ca/393407

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Chai_Sangeen:

praet, thanx ill try one sec

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Chai_Sangeen:

praet, i got confused....

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praet:

heh

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praet:

just append it to the bottom

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Chai_Sangeen:

praet, the whole link u sent me?

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praet:

right.. as root open xorg.conf for editing, then paste in the above monitor and modes sections

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Chai_Sangeen:

praet, okay let me try

[15:24:29]

Dagmar:

poetry and lucky number from the fortune coookie you had at lunch should not be pasted in there.

[15:25:13]

Dagmar:

er... that wasn't supposed to be antyhing other than truly random, btw. (I really need to look at nicknames before I post sometimes)

[15:25:17]

praet:

Wise man say man with holey underwear have less to wash

[15:25:49]

Chai_Sangeen:

praet, no luck still same resolution

[15:26:21]

Dagmar:

Time to check the xorg.0.log to see why it ignored that then

[15:26:46]

Chai_Sangeen:

Dagmar, okay let me grab it and past it one sec

[15:27:04]

praet:

wait i see it, the monitor is pulling from "aticonfig-Monitor[0]"

[15:28:38]

Dagmar:

w00t

[15:29:06]

praet:

Chai_Sangeen: delete the monitor secation i gave you, and append the modes line to the monitor section that has aticonfig-Monitor[0] as the identifier

[15:29:09]

praet:

UseModes "Modes[0]"

[15:29:20]

praet:

hey Dagmar what are you up to today

[15:29:30]

Dagmar:

Saying things that are incredibly stupid so far

[15:29:51]

praet:

i was thinking probably mischievous for some reeason

[15:29:56]

Dagmar:

Oh and taking pictures of rack sized SAN products

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Dagmar:

...while trying not to say "Pouty, pouty... now turn to the left for me baby" because the secretary who needs them is right there

[15:30:25]

praet:

haha

[15:30:55]

Dagmar:

I have been sent to the HR office once in the past, and I'll never do that again

[15:31:17]

Dagmar:

Every job you've ever had can't be as dull as sitting through an entire day of "sensitivity training"

[15:31:48]

Dagmar:

I made *one* really, really sexist comment--as a *joke* mind you. Not meaning it in the least, so to be smart alecky they signed me up for the lecture track

[15:32:01]

Chai_Sangeen:

praet, Section "Monitor"

[15:32:01]

Chai_Sangeen:

Identifier "aticonfig-Monitor[0]"

[15:32:01]

Chai_Sangeen:

Option "VendorName" "ATI Proprietary Driver"

[15:32:01]

Chai_Sangeen:

Option "ModelName" "Generic Autodetecting Monitor"

[15:32:01]

Chai_Sangeen:

Option "DPMS" "true"

[15:32:04]

Chai_Sangeen:

EndSection

[15:32:12]

stuarta:

use a pastebin!!!

[15:32:19]

Chai_Sangeen:

praet, restarted gdm no luck

[15:32:27]

Chai_Sangeen:

stuarta, sorry about that

[15:32:33]

praet:

heh. in the construction biz there are jokes so nasty

[15:32:58]

Dagmar:

Ya'll are construction workers tho. It's expected. I was stupid enough to do this in an office full of paralegals.

[15:33:22]

Dagmar:

On the side, tho, even the lady giving the classes thought it was funny.

[15:33:55]

praet:

Chai_Sangeen: how are you outputting to the monitor? dvi?

[15:34:07]

Chai_Sangeen:

praet, vga

[15:35:09]

praet:

ok well lets fix that first and try again

[15:35:19]

Chai_Sangeen:

praet, okay :)

[15:35:37]

praet:

under the monitro there should not be modelines, just this line:

[15:35:39]

praet:

UseModes "Modes[0]"

[15:36:16]

praet:

then add the Section "Modes" area from this: http://pastebin.ca/393407

[15:37:54]

praet:

holdon a sec

[15:38:35]

Chai_Sangeen:

praet, tyt

[15:41:43]

praet:

http://pastebin.ca/393435

[15:41:51]

praet:

try that complete xorg

[15:42:46]

Chai_Sangeen:

praet, okay ill try now one sec ....

[15:43:01]

praet:

sudo xinit -- :2

[15:43:09]

praet:

ctrl+alt+F9

[15:43:13]

praet:

to test the new x

[15:43:20]

praet:

ctrl+alt+F7 to go back

[15:43:36]

praet:

in case something goes wrong

[15:43:55]

Chai_Sangeen:

praet, is it okay to sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart

[15:44:00]

praet:

k

[15:44:14]

Chai_Sangeen:

praet, i have no acces to keyboard

[15:44:27]

Chai_Sangeen:

praet, no luck same...

[15:46:47]

praet:

ok made one change try this http://pastebin.ca/393442

[15:47:58]

Chai_Sangeen:

praet, hmmm.... still no change

[15:49:46]

praet:

pastebin this file /var/log/Xorg.0.log

[15:50:39]

praet:

aha

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praet:

bad copy i guess :P

[15:51:17]

Zider:

booh

[15:51:19]

Zider:

;)

[15:51:21]

Chai_Sangeen:

praet, its okay everyone makes mistakes...

[15:51:31]

Zider:

not me

[15:51:32]

Chai_Sangeen:

praet, okay so which version do i adjust now?

[15:52:50]

praet:

http://pastebin.ca/393451

[15:53:58]

Chai_Sangeen:

praet, hmm... still no change?

[15:54:10]

masonsjax:

i'm getting only partial lock on some channels with HDHR, but they tune fine with VLC

[15:54:41]

masonsjax:

sometimes if i flip to a different channel, then back, it will lock, but not always

[15:55:21]

praet:

Chai_Sangeen: does aticonfig work ? aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf

[15:55:42]

Chai_Sangeen:

praet, didn't try let me try your command

[15:55:59]

praet:

also paste your Xorg.0.log

[15:56:23]

Chai_Sangeen:

praet, Found fglrx primary device section

[15:56:24]

Chai_Sangeen:

Nothing to do, terminating.

[15:56:56]

Chai_Sangeen:

praet, where is it located ?

[15:57:07]

praet:

this file /var/log/Xorg.0.log

[15:57:23]

Chai_Sangeen:

praet, okay i got it

[15:57:57]

praet:

eorrors start with EE, warnings WW i think

[15:59:06]

Chai_Sangeen:

praet, http://pastebin.ca/393456

[16:01:37]

praet:

ok i see additionall video mode 1360x768

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Chai_Sangeen:

praet, what does that mean?

[16:04:30]

clever:

was just wondering about the dell site and found http://www.dell.com/content/products/productd . . . hs&cs=19

[16:04:43]

clever:

it can be upgraded to a 240gig harddrive pair

[16:04:45]

clever:

20 inch screen

[16:04:51]

clever:

wireless keyboard

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clever:

and its a laptop:P

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clever:

sounds like it would be a good front/backend for mythtv:P

[16:05:29]

Dagmar:

clever: Buying from Dell would be one of those "clever" things we talked about last night.

[16:05:29]

praet:

Chai_Sangeen: http://pastebin.ca/393460

[16:05:32]

Dagmar:

Don't do it.

[16:05:35]

clever:

probly could handle multiple frontends:P

[16:05:56]

clever:

yeah its 2999 for the system:P

[16:06:02]

Dagmar:

For one thing, you money would be much more well spent....

[16:06:03]

Dagmar:

JESUS

[16:06:11]

Dagmar:

Dude, buy a PVR-500 card first

[16:06:18]

clever:

:P

[16:06:25]

clever:

load the link and look at it

[16:06:34]

clever:

it doesnt look like a laptop:P

[16:06:44]

clever:

the keyboard can be detached and used wirelessly

[16:06:52]

Dagmar:

Man I could build a machine that could almost download the porn that is being put on the internet in realtime for three grand

[16:06:58]

Chai_Sangeen:

praet, sorry to tell u again but no luck....

[16:07:03]

clever:

lol

[16:07:47]

praet:

Chai_Sangeen: are you getting a screen at all on the external monitor?

[16:07:58]

Chai_Sangeen:

praet, yes

[16:08:08]

clever:

Dagmar: how would i get the ati tvout working on the dell pc i allready own?

[16:08:10]

Chai_Sangeen:

praet, the mythfronend

[16:08:33]

Dagmar:

clever: Probably by replacing it with a $20 nVidia card

[16:08:43]

clever:

laptop

[16:08:51]

clever:

see the problem:P

[16:08:53]

Chai_Sangeen:

praet, did you change the resolution ?

[16:09:02]

Dagmar:

There's Google to help you with that.

[16:09:06]

Dagmar:

I don't touch ATI for a reason.

[16:09:11]

fysa:

that XPS is a horrible frontend/backend for myth.

[16:09:36]

Dagmar:

I have an ATI chipset on my old notebook, the one I just replaced, and I got it working after some poking at it, and I still have no idea *why* it started working properly.

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praet:

sorry have a meeting brb

[16:09:47]

rsdvd:

gardengnome : are you in here today?

[16:10:02]

clever:

Dagmar: my ati card works 90% with the internal display

[16:10:18]

clever:

aslong as i dont change in and out of text too much and dont try to yse tvout it works fine

[16:10:36]

** Dagmar nods and smiles. **

[16:10:41]

fysa:

haha

[16:10:54]

clever:

i tryed adding a 'screen 1' to the device section

[16:11:02]

clever:

to make it use ONLY tvout

[16:11:09]

clever:

(WW) R128: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:0) found

[16:11:17]

Chai_Sangeen:

praet, thanx and tyt

[16:11:20]

fysa:

ask. google.

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clever:

dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so: undefined symbol: __glXLastContext

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: probably. :)

[16:12:02]

Dagmar:

clever: ...and you still wonder why I don't willingly touch ATI?

[16:12:07]

clever:

:P

[16:12:25]

clever:

i see why you avoid it

[16:12:26]

rsdvd:

:-) I was hoping you were here – I have a problem compiling some C code – and you are the firsr person I thought of :-)

[16:12:30]

clever:

also

[16:12:40]

clever:

if im running multiple frontends on a single box

[16:12:52]

fysa:

you don't want to.

[16:12:52]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: uh-huh. i don't know C at all ;) what's the error message?

[16:12:55]

clever:

wont that cause the same problem as muptiple boxes with the same hostname?

[16:13:08]

gardengnome:

fysa: it's possible *shrug*

[16:13:11]

fysa:

what reason would you have to run multiple frontends on a single box?

[16:13:18]

rsdvd:

"avformat.h:66: error: âINT64_Câ was not declared in this scope" compiling something that uses ffmpeg

[16:13:23]

Dagmar:

fysa: Look at his nickname and thinkg

[16:13:29]

clever:

multihead box with spare cpu power

[16:13:47]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: uh, dunno off-hand. try google?

[16:13:49]

Chai_Sangeen:

anyone know a way i can integrate my dreambox with mythtv as a tv tuner?

[16:13:54]

clever:

if it can easily play 1 frontend why cant i add more to get less power usage and space usage

[16:14:00]

rsdvd:

gardengnome : I did – but I did not find much

[16:14:13]

Dagmar:

Chai_Sangeen: okay, you lost me on that one. Why doesn't your myth box not already have a TV tuner?

[16:14:24]

fysa:

I have multiple displays hooked up to my frontend too, but makes much more sense to 'cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf-projector /etc/X11/xorg.conf' and such in a script, and then kill everything and have it spawn on the other display.

[16:14:25]

Chai_Sangeen:

Dagmar, no...

[16:14:43]

clever:

using seperate serverlayout sections

[16:14:46]

Chai_Sangeen:

Dagmar, im just using it for playback and pictues and music

[16:14:53]

clever:

i can fireup multiple X's on diff heads

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clever:

with work each using its own lirc/keyboard

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fysa:

yeah, and are you going to watch both simultaneously?

[16:15:29]

clever:

posibly

[16:15:35]

gardengnome:

clever: you can tell mythfrontend to use a custom host name

[16:15:45]

clever:

yeah i was thinking i might need that

[16:15:50]

fysa:

yeah, you might need a lot of things.

[16:15:53]

Dagmar:

Man I was going to make him read the mailing list to find that out

[16:15:56]

gardengnome:

lirc might be a problem as well, but it can be done

[16:16:00]

clever:

if i have 2 rooms side by side i could just put 1 box and run a line over 2 feet

[16:16:09]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: we need to coordinate our evilness

[16:16:16]

clever:

lol

[16:16:34]

clever:

if i used 2 diff remotes which sent diff signals they could share the lirc receiver

[16:16:40]

clever:

assuming its in range of both areas

[16:16:56]

clever:

then only bind 1 set to each frontend

[16:17:03]

qu0zl:

you'll be using headphones with this too clever?

[16:17:14]

clever:

not planing too but i could

[16:17:16]

Chai_Sangeen:

Dagmar, runs linux and i can stream tv to my laptop through firefox or vlc i can also change channels, do u think there is a way to make it work with myth?

[16:17:27]

fysa:

are you planning to build a separate backend box, clever?

[16:17:28]

clever:

just working out how easy it would be

[16:17:35]

qu0zl:

it

[16:17:38]

clever:

i allready have a backend up

[16:17:45]

qu0zl:

it's do-able but probably not the best solution

[16:17:46]

clever:

and its a little underpowered to front and back at once

[16:17:53]

qu0zl:

unless you have some really unusual requirements

[16:18:10]

clever:

i saw some1 in here that wanted to feed mythtv to 500 tv's last night

[16:18:18]

fysa:

OK

[16:18:31]

clever:

if you wanted seperate controls would you perform 500 boxes or 250?:P

[16:18:42]

clever:

perfer*

[16:18:57]

Dagmar:

Chai_Sangeen: It's *possible*, but it will take some creative adapting

[16:19:12]

juski:

rsdvd: you messing with the fs454 i2c port by any chance?

[16:19:38]

juski:

I was thinking today about wtf is going on with all these TV outputs on VGA cards which aren't centred

[16:19:42]

gardengnome:

juski: that'd be interesting.

[16:20:08]

juski:

the PAL & NTSC specs define what the line start & end timings are, so in theory NO TV output should be off-centre

[16:20:24]

rsdvd:

juski : no ! I am installing zoneminder....and it uses the ffmpeg library

[16:20:35]

juski:

rsdvd: heheh never mind then

[16:20:47]

Chai_Sangeen:

Dagmar, hmm... do we have to create some kind of plugin? the latest vesrion of xbmc have the protocal called tuxbox and with that i can use my dreambox from xbmc and flip through channels...

[16:20:48]

Dagmar:

juski: you have a point there

[16:20:57]

gardengnome:

juski: well, it's probably caused by the re-scaling of the image in the encoder.

[16:21:07]

juski:

I was reading some thread on the zenega forums about adapting the xbox fs454.o code

[16:21:12]

juski:

gardengnome: it's not

[16:21:12]

clever:

rsdvd: what does zoneminder do again?

[16:21:13]

qu0zl:

juski, there must be more to it than that, when i first got my sp13000 the openchrome driver that worked perfectly on the m1000 gave a way off centred pal display on the sp1300o's tv encoder

[16:21:26]

gardengnome:

Chai_Sangeen: if your dreambox runs neutrino, you can use the dbox2 support in mythtv. it's probably broken, though

[16:21:27]

qu0zl:

maybe it's to do with the lack of documentation available to driver writers?

[16:21:34]

juski:

qu0zl: different tv encoders, different register settings ;)

[16:21:35]

Dagmar:

Chai_Sangeen: I'm really not sure, but this would definitely be something to ask about on the mailing list where people can dig a little more deeply into the idea

[16:21:39]

qu0zl:

yep juski

[16:21:52]

Chai_Sangeen:

Dagmar, okay thanx for the advice :)

[16:21:59]

juski:

qu0zl: but still only a limited number of tv encoders used everywhere

[16:22:11]

Chai_Sangeen:

gardengnome, im runing Gemni Project ;(

[16:22:13]

qu0zl:

aye but they can be dicks for releasing any kind of specs

[16:22:18]

rsdvd:

clever :zoneminder si a oss cctv app

[16:22:20]

qu0zl:

via certainly seem to be

[16:22:28]

clever:

cctv??:P

[16:22:35]

gardengnome:

juski: there's already some working code that'll enable the tv-out of the s100. IEGD should be better, though

[16:22:38]

rsdvd:

closed-circuit TV

[16:22:39]

juski:

it might be quite easy to snort the i2c registers if a windows box allows the timings to be tweaked

[16:22:43]

clever:

ahhh:)

[16:22:50]

clever:

no need for it here then:P

[16:22:50]

juski:

gardengnome: I was thinking more for bootsplash

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gardengnome:

juski: afaik those modifications to the linux drivers can dump the i2c registers as well while IEGD is running

[16:23:41]

juski:

qu0zl: it's quite easy for me to get hold of tv encoder datasheets where I work

[16:24:08]

qu0zl:

there no problems with NDAs?

[16:24:10]

juski:

I've got the vt1623 datasheet, fs454 datasheet

[16:24:20]

juski:

qu0zl: not AFAIK

[16:24:23]

qu0zl:

cool

[16:24:32]

clever:

does it just give basic info or enough to make your own driver in a week?

[16:25:12]

juski:

qu0zl: not insofar as you could obsfurcate what the app does – I mean you don't have to publish every single register in your sourcecode – and that self same info could be gleaned by snooping

[16:25:56]

juski:

and remember if it wasn't for the snooping loophole there'd be no ivtv – at least not as we know it – or many other linux drivers come to think of it

[16:25:58]

GreyFoxx:

Getting TV out working under theRM4100 was a pain. I had to write an app to dump the VGA and tvencoder registers/memory then make changes until I figured out what was affecting what

[16:26:18]

GreyFoxx:

but once I had that it was short going to write something to turn it on

[16:26:18]

juski:

GreyFoxx: the key word is *laborious*, not hard ;)

[16:27:23]

dustybin:

when i re-build my myth box im thinking about buying a small 40gig HD for the OS and a 400gig for video, would having two seperate drives make much difference?

[16:27:35]

juski:

being able to fine-tune nvidia & ATI tv outputs would be neat-o

[16:27:39]

GreyFoxx:

I gotta say though, TVout on the RM4100 is nice

[16:27:54]

juski:

GreyFoxx: it's very good on the s100 too

[16:27:59]

Dagmar:

God I so love seeing these TSA people being searched it practically gets me hard

[16:28:07]

Dagmar:

damnit wrong channel

[16:28:10]

GreyFoxx:

hahahahaha

[16:28:23]

GreyFoxx:

I do that(send to the wrong channel) all the time :)

[16:28:24]

Dagmar:

...but if you've flown in the US *any* time in the past 3–4 years you must know what I'm talking about.

[16:28:31]

juski:

I've seen mods to get proper VGA out of geforce card tv outs – it's just a matter of bringing a pin out & setting a register bit

[16:28:36]

gardengnome:

juski: just build one of them VGA->SCART thingies and you'll be happy. ;)

[16:28:52]

juski:

gardengnome: yeah apart from via not doing interlaced video :(

[16:29:00]

Dagmar:

Umm... Why would you want VGA out of the TV Output port on a card that, um, already does VGA?

[16:29:03]

gardengnome:

why would you want to get VGA from a tv-out encoder?!

[16:29:03]

fysa:

if we could fine-tune, then it may be possible to avoid de-interlacing completely?

[16:29:09]

juski:

Dagmar: no, PAL RGB

[16:29:28]

gardengnome:

just use the normal VGA to get RGB, silly ;)

[16:29:33]

juski:

fysa: if you can achieve a proper PAL or NTSC video mode you'd never need to deinterlace at all

[16:29:45]

fysa:

right :)

[16:29:46]

gardengnome:

it works great on my sis chipset. now i need to get an ATI card that'll work well with the opengl painter and the free drivers

[16:29:51]

juski:

that's *interlaced* PAL or NTSC mode

[16:30:11]

GreyFoxx:

My cards at home are all gf4 mx440's with the nv17 chips on them... wonder if the newer stuff is any better looking

[16:30:33]

juski:

the via video chips can't do it cos they're missing a method of determining which field they're doing

[16:30:41]

GreyFoxx:

normally I'm very very pleased with mine, but side by side comparisons with the rm4100 show a noticable improvement

[16:31:07]

juski:

if we get shot of our cable box – which we're thinking about doing – I'm gonna want RGB out

[16:31:20]

fysa:

the RM4100 being better?

[16:31:34]

juski:

actually since minimyth now supports nvidia & could get a pci nvidia card :)

[16:31:41]

Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: Those don't do 1024x768 for the tv-output do they?

[16:31:45]

gardengnome:

they are not exactly cheap

[16:31:51]

GreyFoxx:

fysa: yeah, the tvout on it looks noticably better than my mx440s'

[16:32:06]

juski:

gardengnome: cheaper than building a new PC :)

[16:32:13]

GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: No, but that only because I haven't finished adding in support for that mode

[16:32:22]

Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: I think the cheapest of mine is one of those and 800x600 is as high as it goes. The other cards I have look about the same at 800x600, but they *all* for some reason look brighter and more colorful when I push them to 1024x768 for that

[16:32:32]

GreyFoxx:

the IEGD driver doesn't come with the module to control the tv encoder on that, so I had to write a util to program the tv encoder directly

[16:32:39]

fysa:

ooo

[16:32:40]

fysa:

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from . . . title=RM4100

[16:32:41]

juski:

why do you want 1024x768? it's only gonna get scaled to 720x480 or whatever

[16:32:47]

fysa:

another big influx this week.

[16:32:51]

GreyFoxx:

I've done 640x4870, 720x480 and almost perfect 800x600

[16:32:59]

Dagmar:

juski: like I said, the picture comes out better looking. I'm serious.

[16:33:31]

gardengnome:

juski: are you actually using IEGD then?

[16:33:31]

Dagmar:

That and it's easier for the thing to avoid weird artifacts when I'm giving the thing a much more detailed image than it needs to emit

[16:33:33]

GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: I'm running my mx440's at 720x480

[16:33:55]

juski:

spose it's the old adage that it's better to downsample a higher resolution than to start with the same source res

[16:33:57]

GreyFoxx:

I change every 6 months between 640 -> 720 > 800 and backagain hehe

[16:33:59]

Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: Shouldn't be a big problem, but some of the MX ones don't go any higher than 800x600 on the s-video port

[16:34:19]

juski:

like when HD downsampled to SDTV res looks better than regular SDTV

[16:34:21]

dustybin:

im running my fx5200 at 1024x768 @60hz

[16:34:27]

GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: I'll try it tonight when I get home

[16:34:28]

Dagmar:

juski: well, FWIW doing 640x480 results in a rather washed out image

[16:34:48]

GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: If you turn down the flicker filter value that can take care of that

[16:34:51]

dustybin:

ive also tried lower res and the quality wasnt too good

[16:35:01]

GreyFoxx:

Mine defaulted to 127 out of 254.... turned it down to 1 and it was a huge difference

[16:35:02]

Dagmar:

juski: Of course, the signal it emits from the s-video port that is so colorful *also* doesn't appear to be "broadcast-safe" either

[16:35:13]

juski:

yeah I know

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fysa:

yeah, I was just going to say.. lowering my flicker filter down to 3–4 helped quality big-time. still no match for the direct interlaced picture, but getting close.

[16:35:19]

juski:

all the colours are out of gamut

[16:35:24]

Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: I've been all over the spectrum with that particular slider

[16:35:36]

juski:

at least – all your theme graphics will be ;)

[16:35:41]

Dagmar:

Mine won' tbe

[16:35:52]

juski:

don't use 100% saturated colours

[16:35:53]

GreyFoxx:

fysa: yeah, I have a script that runs before myth and after any emulators exit resetting my video mode and flicker filters

[16:35:56]

juski:

or 100% white ;)

[16:36:18]

juski:

though saying that I've never noticed any improvement if I don't

[16:36:20]

** dustybin checks nvidia settings **

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Dagmar:

I have been going through all the images I made, one at a time, converting them to broadcast safe levels because since I was using a (0,0,0) black background which is verboten, and a couple of the colors at FF levels, it was _brusing my screen_

[16:36:30]

juski:

and I *do* see what my themes look like on a TV

[16:36:41]

Dagmar:

Like, leaving big, screwey blotches on it like I'd rubbed a magnet on it

[16:36:47]

juski:

Dagmar: shitty tv

[16:36:48]

gardengnome:

i still wonder why the fsck theme makers include *vertical* lines. mythtv was supposed to be used on an interlaced TV, right?

[16:36:53]

Dagmar:

juski: Not really.

[16:37:01]

juski:

gardengnome: you mean horizontal lines

[16:37:11]

gardengnome:

juski: yeah :/

[16:37:11]

juski:

antialiasing ftw!

[16:37:19]

gbee:

the red used to highlight conflicts in blootube is unreadable on my TV, it seems to bleed

[16:37:19]

gardengnome:

juski: blurriness :/

[16:37:22]

GreyFoxx:

For me this produces the best picture, and I force it to run after all emulators cause sometimes the resolution or overscan doesn't get turned back

[16:37:22]

GreyFoxx:

http://www.pastebin.ca/393482

[16:37:25]

juski:

you never see any wiggly lines in my themes

[16:37:30]

gardengnome:

gbee: are you using composite?

[16:37:38]

juski:

well not from the non-qt parts anyway

[16:38:00]

juski:

gbee: this is what I was trying to say to the people who wanted me to change the colours

[16:38:09]

juski:

fuck em they'll be going back to what they originally were

[16:38:25]

gbee:

S-Video to Scart

[16:38:42]

fysa:

Are you messing with the overscan twice because of a bug?

[16:38:42]

juski:

tv doesn't have a very good chroma filter

[16:38:43]

Dagmar:

Just use Gimp to set your lower limits to 4,4,4 and your upper limits to 235,235,235 and it should keep things to broadcast-safe levels

[16:38:56]

gbee:

only cause the S-Video port on my TV is on the _front_

[16:38:59]

Dagmar:

I did a LOT of digging to figure out why my TV was bruising

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GreyFoxx:

fysa: Yes

[16:39:14]

Dagmar:

It's not a bad TV, it just assumes you're not sending it the Signal of SATAN

[16:39:24]

juski:

gbee: what I've heard about is some TVs just combining the chroma & luma with a capacitor like those cheap adapter plugs do

[16:39:31]

gardengnome:

gbee: weird, svideo shouldn't bleed that much

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GreyFoxx:

The nvidia driver sets overscan to 25.... then another app changes video modes, and when the video mode goes back the overscan is reset down to way too low BUT the nvidia driver thinks it's still 25

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fysa:

ah

[16:39:53]

GreyFoxx:

so I force it to 24, then back to 25

[16:40:03]

juski:

same for some component inputs – they get fuddled to svideo inside the set sometimes!

[16:40:04]

gardengnome:

it'd be cool if we could have different settings for TV playback and the GUI. that'd be acceptable

[16:40:17]

juski:

gardengnome: more settings?! arghhhh!

[16:40:39]

gardengnome:

juski: naw, something like a custom command that can be run before playback is started

[16:40:40]

GreyFoxx:

gardengnome: That's basically what the xrandr stuff is for I think. So you have your gui at one resolution, but video playback at another

[16:40:53]

GreyFoxx:

gardengnome: Hrm, that should be doable

[16:41:07]

juski:

I'm still wondering how a certain pair of triangles' code is coming along... ;)

[16:41:24]

fysa:

http://www.pastebin.ca/393485

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gbee:

it's not an expensive Tv but my setup has probably got something to do with it – the picture quality isn't brilliant from the mythbox and the playback suffers from an extremely slight but noticable jerkiness

[16:41:32]

GreyFoxx:

juski: heh

[16:41:47]

fysa:

http://www.pastebin.ca/393486

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fysa:

I use --load-config-only ;)

[16:41:52]

gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: yes, but it won't talk to those nvidia driver internals ;)

[16:42:04]

fysa:

that second script is my swapdisplay.sh

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GreyFoxx:

gardengnome: I meant having ascript execute just before playback should be doable

[16:42:21]

gardengnome:

gbee: same here, and i'm not even using any video filters

[16:42:54]

gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: yeah. if i was to do something like that, i'd copy the function which disables the screensaver, i think

[16:43:06]

juski:

fysa: use '-l' – it's easier to type :)

[16:43:15]

fysa:

haha

[16:43:20]

gbee:

people complain about lirc and setting up capture cards most, but the biggest headache for me has always been the Tv-out

[16:43:25]

gardengnome:

yes, it's less work for your script

[16:43:39]

gardengnome:

gbee: yeah, same her.e i went trhough four or five vga cards.

[16:43:43]

juski:

gbee: it's a doddle to get worky, just a PITA to get right

[16:44:08]

juski:

then by the time you've resized & positioned the GUI you're ready to take your own life & the life of everybody around you

[16:44:24]

gardengnome:

yeah

[16:44:28]

gardengnome:

with a rusty spoon

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fysa:

I don't know if anyone here would care for it, but I wrote a script that scans a Movies/ directory and creates symlinks to an IMDB Top 250/ directory, in rated order. (i.e. 003. Casablanca)

[16:44:58]

juski:

I mean yeah you only ever need do it once but fcuking hell!

[16:45:10]

juski:

fysa: put a ticket on it

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gbee:

juski: exactly. If I could get it to look as good as the cable/sky box I'd be satisfied

[16:45:26]

gardengnome:

juski: well, i'm ll need to do it again. those test cards we made sucked somehow, now everything is off by a few pixels

[16:45:37]

juski:

see where the STBs have it right is they obey the TV standard specs

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juski:

gardengnome: prolly more like theres an offset being introduced somewhere

[16:46:19]

gbee:

you'd think that a graphics card manufacturer would have produced a decent TV-out card for multimedia PCs by now

[16:46:21]

gardengnome:

juski: yep.

[16:46:22]

juski:

or your modeline is off a tad

[16:46:40]

juski:

gbee: there is one, but it's super expensive

[16:46:45]

gardengnome:

juski: i used the test cards to adjust the modeline, that's the problem ;)

[16:46:46]

juski:

and windows-only

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gbee:

something which more or less 'just works'

[16:46:51]

gbee:

:(

[16:47:06]

gardengnome:

there are a few decent tv outs, but they are usually not found on normal vga hardware ;) matrox used to be good

[16:47:22]

gbee:

juski: what modeline are you using btw?

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juski:

IIRC all the nvidia tvouts I've ever used in windows were bang-on centre or were adjustable

[16:47:47]

juski:

so just sniff the registers & ahoy there :)

[16:47:57]

Beirdo:

hehe

[16:48:06]

Beirdo:

I just read that as "all the nvidia trouts"...

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juski:

ATI cards have the most tweakable tvouts I've ever seen

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Dagmar:

Mine's dead center

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Beirdo:

too bad the drivers suck so

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juski:

gbee: I just use 720x576Noscale

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janneg:

the full-featured dvb cards have decent TV-outs, creative dxr3 is also better than most graphic cards. so it's not impossible to make them

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juski:

the hard part about reg sniffing is finding out what address the i2c port's on

[16:48:55]

gardengnome:

seems like decent tv-outs are anachronisms :>

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Gurft:

juski: what video card do you run for your TV out?

[16:49:09]

gardengnome:

well, indeed, they are. HDTV sets don't need them.

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GreyFoxx:

janneg: years ago I had hacked my myth to play with my dxr3 heh

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juski:

Gurft: via

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fysa:

juski, not quite idiot-proof enough to include yet. http://www.pastebin.ca/393493

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Beirdo:

tv out ain't a priority for most video card manufacturers

[16:49:28]

juski:

I get real mpeg2 decoding into the bargain :-P

[16:49:31]

janneg:

GreyFoxx: without osd?

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GreyFoxx:

at one point I had a functioon hack of an X server using it, but I lost the source in a HD crash

[16:49:48]

GreyFoxx:

janneg: no, I rendered a grayscale OSD using the spu layers

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Beirdo:

GreyFoxx, you are as bad with backups as the rest of us :)

[16:50:04]

** gardengnome performs a backup **

[16:50:17]

GreyFoxx:

Beirdo: No, even more strict about it now :)

[16:50:27]

Beirdo:

that reminds me, must put new tape into drive for this weekend's amanda run :)

[16:50:28]

GreyFoxx:

I was then, but that particular partition wasn't being backed up

[16:50:29]

** Gurft got an LTO3 tape drive from work... **

[16:50:40]

Beirdo:

if I had a DDS3 or 4 changer... it would be easier

[16:50:52]

juski:

hmm I wonder if you even need to snoop on a bus to get nvidia's nitty-gritty

[16:50:56]

Beirdo:

yeah, forgetting a partition often leads to "aw DAMMIT" moments

[16:50:58]

juski:

they prolly save settings in the registry

[16:51:12]

GreyFoxx:

janneg: I had modified the X frambuffer driver to use the dxr3's onboard YUV memory buffer for output

[16:51:26]

gardengnome:

juski: yay, let's just copy user.dat to /etc/ ;)

[16:51:27]

GreyFoxx:

I lost the source a coupkle days after I got it working :/

[16:51:33]

Beirdo:

Gurft, I'm trying to convince my wife to swipe/borrow/whatever an LTO library from work :)

[16:51:41]

juski:

anyway using a hardware DAC like that will only lose more than the benefit you get

[16:51:46]

Beirdo:

and a fiber channel card to go with it

[16:51:47]

juski:

no GL :(

[16:52:11]

Dagmar:

Mmm... fiber

[16:52:26]

Beirdo:

meanwhile, I'll make do with my single DDS3 drive

[16:52:29]

Beirdo:

need some more tapes though

[16:52:30]

juski:

the output quality of VGA card TV outs isn't a problem anymore – it's just the little details like size & centring

[16:52:43]

juski:

if we can nix that one we're sorted

[16:52:47]

GreyFoxx:

honestly I'm suprised I haven't seen a "pvr" video card. With several outputs, programmable decoders with loadable codecs , decoding back into ram for transcoding/encodeing and such

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juski:

GreyFoxx: big fuck-off FPGA on a PCI card :)

[16:53:19]

Beirdo:

or two :)

[16:53:22]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[16:53:23]

Beirdo:

and a DSP

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juski:

dirt cheap to make

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juski:

where it'll cost you is development time

[16:53:38]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

and codec licenses I imagine

[16:53:59]

juski:

who do we know who's a genius with VHDL ?

[16:54:04]

Beirdo:

the development's the fun

[16:54:08]

** Beirdo hides **

[16:54:17]

Beirdo:

I love VHDL, but it's been a few years

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gardengnome:

some guys at vdr-portal.de are interested in such cards. they still dream of a full-featured HDTV card ;)

[16:54:51]

juski:

yeah & you know why that's never gonna happen?

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juski:

NDAs & licence fees

[16:55:05]

Beirdo:

aye

[16:55:08]

Beirdo:

big time

[16:55:16]

juski:

there are plenty of low-cost HDTV decoders

[16:55:18]

gardengnome:

one those people, "randy" afaik, even started working on such a thing

[16:55:21]

Beirdo:

and the resultant price

[16:55:31]

janneg:

Open graphics project http://wiki.duskglow.com/tiki-index.php?page=Open-Graphics

[16:55:34]

juski:

to get a licence & dev kit will set you back $15,000 or so

[16:55:35]

Beirdo:

here's your $2kUSD video card, thanks

[16:55:47]

Beirdo:

dev kit for what?

[16:55:58]

juski:

Beirdo: HDTV hardware decoder

[16:56:06]

Beirdo:

ah yes

[16:56:08]

Beirdo:

:)

[16:56:10]

juski:

oh and don't forget the all-binding NDA

[16:56:22]

juski:

which means you can't open source the software for it

[16:56:25]

Beirdo:

the chip will run nearly $400 in quantity too I bet

[16:56:31]

janneg:

micronas has a HDTV decoder card sample design

[16:56:38]

Beirdo:

but you can do an nvidia-like driver

[16:57:00]

juski:

janneg: and a link to 'have a rep. contact you'

[16:57:07]

Beirdo:

heh

[16:57:24]

Beirdo:

if I were still working in that market, I might have them come in to work

[16:57:25]

Beirdo:

heh

[16:57:45]

juski:

why else do you think they're not all over the place already?

[16:57:53]

Beirdo:

we were one of the first adopters of Motorola's 8260 processor :)

[16:58:10]

Beirdo:

monstrous mother-fucker it was too

[16:58:19]

juski:

chip manufacturers discovered they were missing a trick a while ago – readily available chips, free demo boards, all the docs you could ever want – for free

[16:58:25]

janneg:

juski: the main problem is that mirconas wouldn't build the cards but twant to sell the design

[16:58:55]

juski:

yeah you buy the ref. design, sign the NDA & off you go producing em yourself

[16:58:57]

Beirdo:

juski, some will do it... if you are serious enough, and they lock you in, etc.

[16:59:06]

fysa:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Blackmagic-Design-Decklin . . . cmdZViewItem

[16:59:12]

Beirdo:

but not many to be sure

[16:59:22]

juski:

oh christ not that again. it's a no-goer

[16:59:37]

juski:

it hasn't got a hardware encoder on it!

[16:59:42]

fysa:

doh

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gardengnome:

oh wow, it's HD extreme!

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Beirdo:

the next model is HD Platinum Extreme?

[17:00:03]

juski:

if you want to try putting 15gb/sec onto hdd you're welcome ;)

[17:00:22]

dustybin:

heres my mythtv setup

[17:00:24]

dustybin:

http://pandora.ispeeds.net/~dustybin/IMG_0313.JPG

[17:00:27]

dustybin:

http://pandora.ispeeds.net/~dustybin/IMG_0314.JPG

[17:00:42]

juski:

actually there IS a dvi capture card that does something like mjpeg

[17:00:52]

juski:

but can you even begin to imagine the disk space requirements?

[17:00:58]

Beirdo:

heh

[17:01:02]

Beirdo:

no kidding

[17:01:10]

fysa:

we'd really need an H264 encoder on it.. ;)

[17:01:10]

gardengnome:

dustybin: nifty :)

[17:01:22]

juski:

how much are the h,264 licence fees again?

[17:01:39]

Beirdo:

more than I want to consider, I'm sure

[17:01:52]

juski:

even divvied up between all the mythtv users in the world...

[17:02:14]

fysa:

or an MPEG2-encoding DSP that is fast enough to be unofficially reprogrammed for H264 ;)

[17:02:16]

Beirdo:

it MIGHT come into a possibility then :)

[17:02:42]

Beirdo:

screw it, just do MPEG2

[17:02:42]

juski:

how many mythtv users are there anyway? ballpark figures / # of source downloads / page hits ?

[17:03:09]

Beirdo:

not sure, but many

[17:03:21]

juski:

I know we'd never know exactly cos of packages / rpms etc...

[17:03:23]

Beirdo:

100k range I thought it was (by downloads)

[17:03:24]

GreyFoxx:

Can someone tell me where ubuntu stores the ip/default router info ?

[17:03:39]

juski:

/etc/somerandomdir

[17:03:53]

Beirdo:

/etc/network/interface

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juski:

</joke>

[17:04:03]

Beirdo:

/etc/network/interfaces rather

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GreyFoxx:

is the default router in there too?

[17:04:12]

GreyFoxx:

Can you pastebin an example for me ?

[17:04:15]

Beirdo:

hmmm, one sec

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juski:

hmm I thought I was ready to pick up the baton of a web design again.. just looked at the story so far & I *hate* how it looks

[17:05:34]

juski:

Supports up to 720x480 (720x576) resolution for each channel – as much as that eh?!

[17:05:44]

Beirdo:

one sec, GreyFoxx ;)

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GreyFoxx:

thanks :)

[17:05:54]

Beirdo:

http://beirdo.pastebin.ca/393518

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juski:

only $1440 too! I'll have 5 please

[17:06:14]

Beirdo:

that's with static IP, on one of my servers

[17:06:28]

fysa:

hehe

[17:06:29]

Beirdo:

with the gateway in there

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GreyFoxx:

is there a network restart script or should I just reobot the thing ?

[17:06:32]

GreyFoxx:

thanks

[17:07:08]

juski:

there's an init you can kick over but I can never remember what it is

[17:07:17]

Beirdo:

/etc/init.d/networking stop ; /etc/init.d/networking start

[17:07:30]

Beirdo:

that's what I would do, likely not the most elegant official way

[17:07:31]

juski:

lol. had to be simple for me to forget it

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Beirdo:

:)

[17:07:45]

gardengnome:

ifdown eth0; ifup eth0

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Milosch:

same as debian, afaik

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Chai_Sangeen:

On my backend i choose opengl for graphics and now screen is black how can i revert it back from the command line? which files contains the setting?

[17:09:11]

Beirdo:

hehe, there ya go

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Chai_Sangeen:

walla select qt

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Beirdo:

I just hit it with a slegehammer, always works

[17:09:45]

Chai_Sangeen:

lol

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fysa:

anyone here messed with sopcast?

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Rince:

good evening

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Rince:

does anyone here use tv_grab_de_prisma?

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gardengnome:

i'd try #mythtv-de for that one... instead of asking meta questions ;)

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Rince:

okay, then I'll go around ;)

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BC3742:

can i ask a question about sasc-ng & dvbloopback issue I'm having?

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gardengnome:

BC3742: no.

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Beirdo:

BC3742, not here

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BC3742:

k, wasnt sure. thanks.

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juski:

wasn't sure? somebody never read the channel FAQ before asking

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psofa:

lol

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stuarta:

juski: nobody reads the channel FAQ before asking

[17:14:44]

gardengnome:

what FAQ?

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BC3742:

faq?

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dustybin:

did somone mention FAQ?

[17:15:02]

psofa:

wtf is a faq

[17:15:12]

masonsjax:

FA-Q

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Milosch:

read the channel topic before reading the channel FAQ before asking ANY questions ;0

[17:15:20]

juski:

psofa: that in itself is a FAQ ;)

[17:15:36]

fysa:

what the faq.

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dustybin:

The FAQ OF Life

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BC3742:

for faqs sack...

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Milosch:

frak the faq

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juski:

it stands for Fcuking Annoying Questions

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Milosch:

found after questioning

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masonsjax:

hah

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GreyFoxx:

Beirdo thanks, that info helped

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r1ddler:

hey all

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r1ddler:

anyone up to answering (hopefully) a quick question about linking libraries in ubuntu for mythtv-0.20?

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Dagmar:

Sure ask away

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Dagmar:

The worst that can happen is we laugh and point and say "HAHA what a n00b!"

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** Gurft cries... **

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Dagmar:

heh

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r1ddler:

rofl..

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r1ddler:

well hold on.. got a hit on the mailing list archive. I fat fingered my original search.

[17:25:41]

Dagmar:

Ahh

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r1ddler:

heh.. totally a dumb n00b question.. brain fart on my part.. geez. glad I didn't ask!

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psofa:

lol

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onewheelskyward:

Aww. Now we can't point and laugh.

[17:26:46]

Gurft:

damnit, AND he did a search, AND he read the manual

[17:26:51]

r1ddler:

go ahead.. I deserve it!

[17:27:12]

Dagmar:

What? For using Google?

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Dagmar:

Where's the fun in that

[17:27:29]

r1ddler:

been working on windowz boxes too much recently

[17:28:20]

r1ddler:

but hey it pays the bills.

[17:28:39]

r1ddler:

thanks for being here help with the self-deprication :-P

[17:28:45]

Dagmar:

So does Viagra spam apparently

[17:29:16]

onewheelskyward:

What's Viagra? I always thought the clinical name was V14gr4.

[17:29:21]

Dagmar:

heh

[17:29:43]

Dagmar:

They're selling something called "Viagro" at the shop where I buy my smokes now... for $4 a pill

[17:29:58]

onewheelskyward:

Good lord. Who knows what's in that.

[17:30:12]

Dagmar:

Certainly nothing interesting

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Dagmar:

w00t time for me to leave the office

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Dagmar:

*p3Wf*]

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onewheelskyward:

later man

[17:30:58]

Gurft:

probably for 'novelty use only'

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Gurft:

So I'm looking at this: BFG Tech BFGR6200OC GeForce 6200 128MB DDR AGP 4X/8X Video Card on newegg

[17:32:15]

Gurft:

to replace my failing video card.

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onewheelskyward:

Don't know much about the 6200 series geforce.

[17:32:50]

Gurft:

Any suggestions? I'm tryign to keep it at around $50 for the new card.

[17:35:20]

Gurft:

right now I have a FX5200 that's failing (LOTS of signal noise on TV-Out) so figured I'd upgrade when replacing it.

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Dr_willis:

Yea.. i looked at that site to see what they used.. and darn it – i cant even find that info now.

[17:37:35]

Dr_willis:

I rember it was about a $40 nvidia card. 5200 or 5400 perhaps.. not a lot of ram.. but very 'quiet'

[17:37:37]

Gurft:

The Dragon runs the ASUS 6200LE, which only has composite out, no Svideo

[17:37:41]

Gurft:

$33.99

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Dr_willis:

bummer.

[17:38:00]

Dr_willis:

of coruse that may alwo be a pciexpress card

[17:38:05]

Dr_willis:

you need agp?

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gbee:

what HorizSync range should I use?

[17:38:21]

Gurft:

Yea

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Dr_willis:

They are using a 6200 – so id guess that 6200 you were looking at would do fine

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Gurft:

My other thought is to use an ATI card

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Dr_willis:

that Dragon v2.0 seems a little over priced at $1,500

[17:39:56]

Gurft:

I've heard folks have had pretty good success with it.

[17:39:58]

Dr_willis:

Ive had CRUDDY luck with ati cards

[17:40:44]

Dr_willis:

or coruse ive also had some bad luck with this Nvidia 5500 on anything other then KnoppMyth R5d1

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fryfrog:

I use a 6200 pci-e in my current FE, it is fanless

[17:42:06]

onewheelskyward:

I have a fanless cpu cooler on my AMD 3000. It's very, very nice.

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Dr_willis:

passively-cooled ASUS EN6200LE/TD/64M with DVI / VGA / composite

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Dr_willis:

Hmm

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Dr_willis:

Im adding up the costs on that Dragon 2.0 – and There SOMTHING im missing.. oh yea the tv tuner.. :)

[17:46:21]

Dr_willis:

thats another few Hundered.

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codword:

Hey guys.. Any of you ever have a wierd issue where two identical PVR250's in the same system, one records everything black & white, the other in color ?

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Dr_willis:

thats... weird

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Dr_willis:

does showing live tv show B/W?

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codword:

yea

[17:47:38]

codword:

v4l2-ctl --all shows identical settings on both cards too

[17:47:52]

codword:

and... these cards have been working for well over a year

[17:48:17]

codword:

I recently swapped motherboards though.. and have been having this problem

[17:48:36]

codword:

(AMD X2/nforce4-ultra system previously.. now it's intel P965 + conroe)

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Dr_willis:

Hmm.. try moving the card to another pci slot?

[17:49:54]

codword:

thats my next step

[17:50:15]

codword:

annoying :(

[17:50:44]

codword:

when I take out this server for maintenance.. it takes out all phones in the house, all TVs, our security system, video surveilence, etc :(

[17:50:47]

codword:

wife gets pissy ;-)

[17:50:58]

onewheelskyward:

Are you running asterisk?

[17:51:03]

codword:

yea

[17:51:08]

onewheelskyward:

Cool stuff, that.

[17:51:12]

codword:

very :)

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Dr_willis:

heh heh

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Dr_willis:

talk about an overloaded server.

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Dr_willis:

:)

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codword:

you have no idea :)

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codword:

http://dh.lame.org/dfs.txt

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codword:

its a very busy server hehe :)

[17:52:01]

Dr_willis:

redundant array of backup servers

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Dr_willis:

:)

[17:52:57]

codword:

This is a little better chart of what the server does at my house..

[17:53:12]

codword:

Although, in this drawing, the 'mythtv server' and 'file server' have merged into just 1 server now

[17:53:24]

codword:

(They used to be separate back in the days when ivtv was unstable and required occasional reboots)

[17:53:27]

codword:

http://dh.lame.org/blog/index.cgi?image=45

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onewheelskyward:

Oh I remember those days. :)

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codword:

yea.. so I recently upgraded this server to a Conroe based MB etc..

[17:54:40]

codword:

overall I'm pretty happy with the performance increase

[17:54:43]

onewheelskyward:

Hey, can any of you kvirc users tell me why I can't click on links? The highlight as clickable, but the clicks don't do jack.

[17:55:00]

codword:

BUT... the new MB lacked an 1394a port.. so I had to give up one of my three PCI slots... which means I went from 3 mythtv encoders to 2....

[17:55:02]

onewheelskyward:

nm, it's a double click. Geez.

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juski:

I use a proper irc client

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codword:

This is only temporary until I get around to getting a PCI-Express 1394a card to free up that PCI slot again

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juski:

hehehe google for mythtv gui & my site comes out top. muhahahaha

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** onewheelskyward claps **

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codword:

hehe..

[17:57:09]

codword:

One day I need to get back to running "real" mythtv-frontends so I can use those themes :)

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gardengnome:

juski: when i google it, the first two hits are from de.mythtvtalk.com, second is yours and third is mythwiki.de ;)

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codword:

OH.... please do :)

[18:00:15]

codword:

Until I can replace Mythtv totally with tvtad.com + tvnzb.com :-)

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juski:

jees. like stealing tv shows is the way forward

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codword:

do you use mythtv commercial skip? :)

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juski:

not generally. most of the shows I record are on commercial-free channels

[18:02:49]

Taskinen:

it seems that eit scanner has added programs with wrong dates, years 1902 and 2031 for example, if I just clear programs -table from sql, should eit scanner be able scan all the eit data again?

[18:02:50]

stuarta:

not that commflagging works terribly well in the uk

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stuarta:

Taskinen: just clear the wrong programs, there shouldn't be many of them

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juski:

Taskinen: one line of mysql would fix that – no need to clear the table

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Taskinen:

stuarta: how can I find the wrong progams, there seems to be few of them, all with different years

[18:06:07]

stuarta:

or select title from program ...

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juski:

then to delete em, replace "select count(*)" with "delete" :)

[18:07:30]

Taskinen:

oh right, thanks :)

[18:07:57]

juski:

infact I'm gonna make a daily cron to do that very thing

[18:08:11]

Gurft:

does that problem happen that often? I've never seen it before.

[18:08:31]

juski:

corrupt EIT packets affect me once in a while

[18:08:56]

juski:

I end up with one show having a starttime in 2037 or something daft

[18:09:19]

stuarta:

maybe once or twice a month

[18:09:26]

Taskinen:

happened to me for the first time

[18:09:33]

stuarta:

or not at all for months and then get a few in a week

[18:10:19]

Taskinen:

it was rendering that date droplist from year 1902 to 2031 etc.

[18:10:48]

juski:

since I changed from ext3 to xfs the recorded shows mythweb page loads much faster – never expected that

[18:11:08]

stuarta:

i found things were faster after going from reiserfs to xfs

[18:11:18]

Taskinen:

I have been using xfs for a long time now

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juski:

right I've got me ickle shell script now :)

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juski:

time to cook

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fryfrog:

xfs ftw!

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fryfrog:

xfs_fsr is useful, if you don't know about it yet

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Gurft:

Juski: out of curiousity, why xfs over jfs?

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** juski does the ITV-PLAY is DEAD happy dance! **

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** juski does the ITV-PLAY is DEAD happy dance! **

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juski:

just heard on Radio4 news :D

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stuarta:

still running last i saw...

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juski:

it's getting sent to the can

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stuarta:

woo hoo!!!

[18:22:34]

stuarta:

even the stupid got bored with it after 6 months :)

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juski:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6447375.stm

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juski:

a victory for good taste if ever there was one

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juski:

anyway I have an appointment with the gas hob

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cheeseboy:

hi

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stuarta:

what is the point of having itv2+1 ???

[18:36:32]

cheeseboy:

is knoppmyth or mythdora better?

[18:36:43]

codword:

http://www.atrpms.net/dist/common/ivtv-firmware/

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codword:

:-)

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codword:

Fedora CORE + yum install mythtv-suite

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codword:

all ya need

[18:37:03]

codword:

even gentoo n00bs can do it

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onewheelskyward:

gentoo myth installs are easy, too. No need to download the firmware, it takes care of it automagically.

[18:37:31]

opello:

yup

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codword:

Really?

[18:37:43]

onewheelskyward:

Yep, really.

[18:37:49]

opello:

media-tv/pvr-firmware

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codword:

When I tried to install gentoo, it errored out and said it could not find a spoiler device attached to the top of my PC case.

[18:37:55]

cheeseboy:

codwoed?

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Regner:

so the ivtv wiki tell me to run this command "ivtv-make-fwpkg <the file you downloaded>" would i run that for all the files that this site says i need for my card ? http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ivtv/firmware/

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cheeseboy:

codword*

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praet:

Regner: install the latest ivtv driver ... it supports pvr-500

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codword:

ENOSUCHFILE: /dev/spoiler0

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** onewheelskyward has windows and leds. **

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Regner:

praet: how ?

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praet:

Regner: what os are you in?

[18:38:44]

Regner:

debian

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praet:

are you using yum?

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cheeseboy:

so i should go gentoo?

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kormoc:

codword, you just needed to mknod 6,32 /dev/lamejoke

[18:39:26]

kormoc:

cheeseboy, Gentoo isn't for the faint at heart. it's easy but also allows you to break the system quite easily as well

[18:39:32]

praet:

Regner: are you uing yum?

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Regner:

praet: no, apt with debian

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praet:

Regner: the firmware goes in the /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware

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praet:

but you could install the ivtv-firmware package

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praet:

try apt-get search ivtv-firmware

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Regner:

apt-cache search ivti-firmware ?

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gbee:

well after nearly two years, I finally got the TV-out configured nearly perfectly – after discussing it today I decided to try one more time and now I've succeeded in making it look a *lot* better than the output from the cable STB

[18:41:25]

praet:

then sudo apt-get install ivtv-firmware

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Beirdo:

woohoo

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praet:

nice gbee

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Beirdo:

so I replaced a mendicino core 500MHz Celeron with a Coppermine core 566MHz Celeron, and the machine liked it :)

[18:42:08]

Regner:

so i grabed the firmware with apt, now what ?

[18:42:19]

Beirdo:

no more cheap P2, now it's a cheap P3

[18:42:27]

cheeseboy:

kormoc, which disto you thini should use?

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onewheelskyward:

Beirdo: I though the P2's ended at around 300mhz?

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praet:

Regner: check to see if the v4l files exist in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware

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Beirdo:

the mendicino core Celerons were PII dumbed down

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praet:

Regner: the new ivtv driver will find them there automatically

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Regner:

i did ls on /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/ and there is nothing

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opello:

heh i have an old 800mhz p3 lying around

[18:43:57]

opello:

coppermine

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Beirdo:

bugger :)

[18:44:12]

kormoc:

cheeseboy, really, the one you know best, or if you're just new all around, fedora is quite common

[18:44:20]

Beirdo:

heh

[18:44:26]

opello:

Beirdo: upgraded to an 866 a while back in that box :)

[18:44:36]

Beirdo:

I just reused the CPU from a shattered computer

[18:44:52]

opello:

same with my 866

[18:44:57]

Beirdo:

if ya wanna throw it out, I'd be happy to give you an address for disposal

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opello:

heh, if you want to make use of it i'm sure i could

[18:45:52]

Beirdo:

heh.

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Regner:

praet:ls /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/ came up with nothing

[18:46:08]

Regner:

could they be some place else ?

[18:46:51]

cheeseboy:

kormoc, i know ubuntu but i cant get mysql to work

[18:47:02]

praet:

try /etc/hotplug/firmware

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onewheelskyward:

I had bad luck with ubuntus myth packages.

[18:47:42]

cheeseboy:

can someone gimme link on how to make mythcoverg and that crap?

[18:48:14]

Regner:

no hotplug in /etc

[18:48:31]

praet:

ok what about /lib/firmware

[18:48:50]

Regner:

yup

[18:48:56]

cheeseboy:

anyone?

[18:49:06]

Regner:

i see a bunch of files starting with v4l

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praet:

Regner: both enc.fw and dec.fw etc

[18:49:21]

praet:

ok good

[18:49:43]

praet:

Regner: new add ivtv driver info to modprobe.conf

[18:49:56]

Regner:

... sorry, still a bit new

[18:50:15]

praet:

/etc/modules

[18:50:41]

Regner:

so do i add to that ?

[18:50:58]

Regner:

what do i add*

[18:51:11]

cheeseboy:

is there no documentation on how to setup msql datbase in ubuntu?

[18:51:12]

praet:

what giude are you following?

[18:52:02]

Gurft:

cheeseboy: If you're installing via apt-get or synaptic it shoudl create the db for you at installation time of the packages

[18:52:14]

praet:

cheeseboy: mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/doc/mythtv-0.20/database/mc.sql

[18:52:18]

Gurft:

I run ubuntu and just had to do: apt-get install mysql-server, then apt-get install mythtv

[18:52:34]

Regner:

i was following the instructions on the ivti.org wiki

[18:52:39]

Regner:

for debian howto

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cheeseboy:

bash: /usr/share/doc/mythtv-0.20/database/mc.sql: No such file or directory

[18:53:15]

gbee:

anyone know what the *actual* stream dimensions of a 4:3 broadcast on Freeview are? Can't get the aspect ratio override working using 702x576

[18:53:22]

cheeseboy:

Gruft it said failed to configure mythtv database during install

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Regner:

praet: v4l-cx2341x-dec.fw

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praet:

Regner: got it...

[18:53:43]

Regner:

praet: sorry wrong copy

[18:54:11]

praet:

so you have a /etc/modprobe.d/ivtv

[18:54:33]

Regner:

no

[18:54:50]

praet:

how far did you get

[18:55:02]

Regner:

to where it was asking me to download the firmware

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cheeseboy:

Gruft, paret, any ideas?

[18:55:36]

Regner:

ivtv-make-fwpkg....... was the step i was at

[18:55:45]

praet:

cheeseboy: can you connect to the mysql database?

[18:56:02]

cheeseboy:

mythtv cant i dont think

[18:56:10]

cheeseboy:

not sure if i can

[18:56:17]

cheeseboy:

how doi check?

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praet:

Regner: depmod -a, then modprobe ivtv

[18:56:39]

praet:

cheeseboy: mysql -u root mysql

[18:56:55]

Regner:

praet: ok done that

[18:57:06]

cheeseboy:

praet im in

[18:57:25]

praet:

UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('ROOT_PWD_here') WHERE user='root';

[18:57:37]

praet:

cheeseboy: FLUSH PRIVILEGES; then quit

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Regner:

praet: still no ivtv under /etc/modprobe.d/

[18:58:46]

praet:

Regner: now try dmesg and see if ivtv found your card

[18:58:59]

praet:

Regner: or lspci -v

[18:59:03]

cheeseboy:

praet, ok

[18:59:39]

praet:

Regner: that is for module settings IF you need them.. you mey not

[18:59:44]

cheeseboy:

now what?

[19:00:02]

praet:

cheeseboy: you added a password for root

[19:00:07]

cheeseboy:

yes

[19:00:33]

Regner:

am i allowed to copy and paste a few lines from dmesg, because it says it failed to initialize

[19:00:42]

praet:

ok you installed the mythsuite?

[19:00:54]

cheeseboy:

mythsuite?

[19:00:58]

praet:

Regner: www.pastebin.ca

[19:01:07]

praet:

cheeseboy: did you install myth?

[19:01:18]

cheeseboy:

i instally mythtv-thmeses and everything it depended on

[19:01:35]

Regner:

praet: http://www.pastebin.ca/393648

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praet:

cheeseboy: well try to find the myth database find /|grep mc.sql

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cheeseboy:

/usr/share/mythtv/sql/mc.sql

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praet:

Regner: ok it didnt find the firmware :(

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praet:

Regner: open /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent and see where the hotplug directory points

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praet:

cheeseboy: import that file into mysql to create the mythconverg database

[19:05:11]

praet:

mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/mythtv/sql/mc.sql

[19:05:26]

Regner:

praet: there is no /etc/hotplug

[19:05:34]

praet:

ack

[19:05:48]

cheeseboy:

praet, ok next?

[19:05:51]

praet:

Regner: find /|grep firmware.agent

[19:06:14]

praet:

cheeseboy: next? mythtv-setup

[19:07:01]

Regner:

praet: /lib/udev/firmware.agent

[19:07:10]

praet:

ok open that file

[19:07:44]

Regner:

praet: /sys// does not exist

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Regner:

praet: thats what i get when i run that firmware.agent

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praet:

vi /lib/udev/firmware.agent

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Regner:

what am i changing

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praet:

dont change... just look for the firmware hotplug directory

[19:10:08]

Regner:

what will it say ?

[19:10:46]

Beirdo:

WTF?

[19:11:01]

Beirdo:

I install apt-mirror on a dapper machine, it wants to mirror edgy?!

[19:11:30]

Regner:

praet: http://www.pastebin.ca/393654

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Regner:

praet: thats what is in that file

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gardengnome:

Beirdo: heeh

[19:12:44]

gardengnome:

i played with apt-mirror, too. but i only had an 1mbit/s link back then

[19:12:47]

** gbee puts his newbie hat on **

[19:13:11]

Beirdo:

I have a crap link, and I'm tired of constantly pulling dapper stuff across it :)

[19:13:16]

praet:

Regner: check in the hotplug.functions file

[19:13:16]

gbee:

is it possible to have mythtv force the aspect ratio to 16:9 for 4:3 recordings?

[19:13:42]

praet:

ignore that last lie

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Regner:

what am i looking for this time ?

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praet:

$FIRMWARE_DIRS or $FIRMWARE_DIR

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praet:

or pastebin it

[19:15:24]

Regner:

praet: FIRMWARE_DIRS='/lib/firmware /usr/local/lib/firmware /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware'

[19:15:29]

Regner:

that what you looking for /.

[19:15:33]

Regner:

?

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praet:

Regner: ls -l /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware

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Regner:

praet: 'total 0'

[19:17:06]

GreyFoxx:

Wow, mythmovietime still compiles

[19:17:17]

GreyFoxx:

hrm, maybe not

[19:17:18]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[19:18:47]

gbee:

was going to remove it

[19:19:31]

praet:

Regner: ok move the ivtv firmware from /lib/firmware to /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware

[19:20:06]

Chai_Sangeen:

praet, heey u are back :)

[19:20:39]

Regner:

move or copy ?

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praet:

Regner: move the v4l-cx files, the ivtv files and HcwMa etc

[19:21:14]

praet:

hey Chai_Sangeen, any progress

[19:21:16]

GreyFoxx:

gbee: You were?

[19:21:24]

Chai_Sangeen:

praet, i just wanted to thank you for all the effort you put to make xorg.conf work i really appreciate your help and thats very kind of you .....

[19:21:35]

Chai_Sangeen:

praet, nooo not really no luck ...

[19:21:40]

Regner:

ok done

[19:21:49]

GreyFoxx:

I've never installed it before and figured I'd take a look. I was wondering if it would be a good place for something to stream/download apply movie trailors

[19:21:59]

gbee:

GreyFoxx: replace it with MythMovies – no-one has objected to the idea yet

[19:22:00]

praet:

Regner: ok depmod -a again and then modprobe ivtv, then dmesg

[19:22:45]

gbee:

anyone know how to persuade X/Nvidia otherwise -> "Not using mode "704x576" (not a valid TV mode)"

[19:22:56]

Regner:

praet: http://www.pastebin.ca/393671

[19:23:19]

Regner:

it dose not look like it changed

[19:23:23]

praet:

Regner: its still not finding v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw

[19:23:29]

Regner:

yea

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praet:

Regner: try find /| grep -i v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw

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cheeseboy:

could not connect to master backen server?

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Chai_Sangeen:

praet, you mean with the resolution im trying to use?

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praet:

Chai_Sangeen: right

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: Got a link to mythmovies? Or am I just blind and not finding it in trac

[19:23:52]

cheeseboy:

and im only gettin 13 channels

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Regner:

praet: /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw

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praet:

Chai_Sangeen: its non-standard, but your external supports it so..

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Chai_Sangeen:

praet, ill look for that and update u once i find somthin....

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juski:

stuarta: itv2+1 is so you can have another chance to miss the shite you missed already :)

[19:24:32]

stuarta:

slightly better than itv play

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praet:

Regner: can you ls -l /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware and pastebin

[19:24:41]

cheeseboy:

whatd i do wrong?

[19:24:51]

gbee:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2482

[19:25:19]

gbee:

juski: anything is better than itv play

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praet:

cheeseboy: you have to configure xmltv to get your cable etc channels

[19:25:42]

Regner:

http://www.pastebin.ca/393676

[19:25:45]

gbee:

GreyFoxx: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2482

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cheeseboy:

praet?

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GreyFoxx:

thanks I'll check it out

[19:26:08]

cheeseboy:

how?

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GreyFoxx:

I've been thinking of the movie trailor plugin for a bit, but until today I didn't realize apply provides and xml feed to all of the data, links and posters :)

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praet:

cheeseboy: where do you live, usa, etc

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cheeseboy:

usa eastern coast

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praet:

ok, xmltv uses zap2it for guide data...

[19:28:47]

praet:

cheeseboy: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Data_Direct

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S2:

uhm.. mythwelcome sometimes hardfreezes my pc. does this happen to someone else too?

[19:28:58]

cheeseboy:

praet i did that

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praet:

ok so your zap2it account has the correct channels?

[19:29:30]

cheeseboy:

how do i check?

[19:29:39]

cheeseboy:

i entered my zip

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praet:

login to labs.zap2it.com

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Beirdo:

14.1 GiB will be downloaded into archive.

[19:29:58]

Beirdo:

Downloading 20661 archive files using 20 threads...

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Beirdo:

yay

[19:30:35]

Regner:

lol

[19:31:17]

Regner:

praet: did you get my post ?

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praet:

Regner: it looks like files are wrong size... i am checking

[19:32:20]

praet:

Regner: just the v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw file

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cheeseboy:

praet still cannot connect to backend server

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cheeseboy:

but i fixed channels

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cheeseboy:

what do i do?

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Regner:

i know i had a problem where mysql was not allowing outside connections, no idea if that is your problem

[19:39:00]

praet:

cheeseboy:run mythbackend & in a terminal

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praet:

if it stays running, then in another terminal, run mythfilldatabase

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cheeseboy:

ok thats fixed

[19:40:55]

cheeseboy:

now how do i setup sound?

[19:43:22]

praet:

Regner: md5sum /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/*

[19:44:30]

Regner:

praet: http://www.pastebin.ca/393695

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cheeseboy:

how do i setup sound to be insyncwith video?

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jduggan_:

cheeseboy: buy a decent card

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cheeseboy:

im too poor

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gardengnome:

cheeseboy: read the official mythtv documentation

[19:52:21]

gardengnome:

cheeseboy: it's in there

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S2:

mythwelcome sometimes hardfreezes my pc. does this happen to someone else too?

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memmo_:

jow

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memmo_:

I'm having some troubles with the mysql database

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memmo_:

anyone interested in this?

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memmo_:

:-)

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S2:

memmo_, st

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praet:

Regner: it looks like v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw is a newer version than the one on ivtv wiki

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S2:

memmo_, what's wrong?

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praet:

can someone near a myth box post 'md5sum /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw'

[19:56:07]

memmo_:

I'v installed mythtv on gentoo

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colbert:

I am reading the user manual on the wiki, and it says ATI cards not supported.. I have a Radeon 9700 Pro with TV Out, so I can't use MythTV to watch TV ??

[19:56:21]

memmo_:

using the gentoo howto

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memmo_:

this worked fine untill the database part

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gardengnome:

colbert: the tv-input part of the ati all-in-wonder cards is not supported

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gardengnome:

memmo_: do you realize you're using IRC as root?

[19:57:18]

memmo_:

i neded to change the password for this database

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Regner:

praet: so i have a newer version some how ?

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praet:

Regner: right.. its not posted on http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware_versions but somehow is correct on http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware

[19:58:13]

praet:

Regner: maybe you could try upgrtading ivtv to 0.10

[19:58:14]

memmo_:

yes I know I'm one of those idiots who uses his root acount as his only acount but that's not the point here. I want to learn about 'users' later in my educational process

[19:58:16]

memmo_:

:-)

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gardengnome:

memmo_: have fun then

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Regner:

praet: that is what i am using, i think any ways

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colbert:

gardengnome: Sorry, I'm not clear, is that just a part of the card that won't support or the whole thing.. so I can't use Myth TV to watch TV or I can ? I don't want to start install if there is no point

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cheeseboy:

i cant do that

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cheeseboy:

doesnt work

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memmo_:

anyway.... I try to setup the password for this database and it says

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praet:

memmo_: mysql -u root mysql

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gardengnome:

cheeseboy: you can't do what?

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gardengnome:

colbert: what do you want to use that ati radeon for?

[19:59:40]

praet:

Regner: your dmesg output says you are running ivtv 0.8.2

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memmo_:

arti ~ # mysql -u root mysql

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memmo_:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)

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memmo_:

right it says that

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praet:

memmo_: mysql -u root -p mysql

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colbert:

gardengnome: I would like to be able to watch TV on my PC, as well as if possible record programs as well

[20:00:19]

Regner:

praet: it is supoused to be .10 because from what i read it is the only one that will work properly with my kernel

[20:00:24]

gardengnome:

colbert: does your ati card have a tv tuner?

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Regner:

my kernel or my card

[20:00:30]

Regner:

forget wic

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memmo_:

and the -p addition only makes the password: NO change into password: YES

[20:00:34]

Regner:

wich*

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praet:

memmo_: mysql -u root -pPASSWORD mysql << try that

[20:00:55]

memmo_:

I don't know anything about mysql

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praet:

with your root password

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colbert:

gardengnome: I don't know.. I have used it to plug into my TV and watch TV on my PC in windows before.. is a tv tuner osmething separate ?

[20:01:37]

praet:

Regner: how did you install ivtv to begin with? apt-get install ivtv-kmdl-

[20:02:09]

gardengnome:

colbert: a TV tuner is a device used to receive TV. something that plugs into the wall.

[20:02:11]

memmo_:

actualy PASSWORD or 'a password'?

[20:02:15]

Regner:

praet: apt-get install ivtv0.10*

[20:02:30]

Regner:

praet: i think

[20:02:30]

praet:

memmo_: your current root password

[20:03:13]

colbert:

gardengnome: Ok I don't have that then.. so then my card would be no good to use Myth TV to watch TV?

[20:03:38]

memmo_:

mysql Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.26, for pc-linux-gnu (i386) using readline 5.1

[20:03:38]

memmo_:

[20:03:38]

memmo_:

This software comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. This is free software,

[20:03:38]

memmo_:

and you are welcome to modify and redistribute it under the GPL license

[20:03:38]

memmo_:

Usage: mysql [OPTIONS] [database]

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memmo_:

-?, --help Display this help and exit.

[20:03:41]

memmo_:

-I, --help Synonym for -?

[20:03:43]

memmo_:

--auto-rehash Enable automatic rehashing. One doesn't need to use

[20:03:45]

memmo_:

'rehash' to get table and field completion, but startup

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memmo_:

and reconnecting may take a longer time. Disable with

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praet:

Regner: apt-get update ivtv-kmdl-`uname -r`

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memmo_:

--disable-auto-rehash.

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memmo_:

-A, --no-auto-rehash

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memmo_:

and more of this

[20:04:01]

memmo_:

so I gues this is not what you expected?

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gardengnome:

memmo_: doesn't it occur to you that it's bad style to flood an IRc channel with useless crap?

[20:04:20]

juski:

at least Noah had a warning. jeez

[20:04:23]

memmo_:

yes it does but only after I did it

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praet:

memmo_: thaats what this did? mysql -u root -pPASSWORD mysql

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memmo_:

sory won't hapan again

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memmo_:

happen

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gardengnome:

colbert: listen, how did you watch TV in windows? could you please give me some information, something i can work with?

[20:04:41]

cheeseboy:

woot i got it

[20:04:49]

gardengnome:

juski: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2000/12/30/232315/30

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Regner:

praet: E: The update command takes no arguments

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praet:

oops

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praet:

erm

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praet:

Regner: apt-get install ivtv-kmdl-`uname -r`

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memmo_:

well ectual I put a space in between -p and password becouse it said ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) if I did it without it

[20:05:39]

Regner:

praet: E: Couldn't find package ivtv-kmdl-2.6.18-4-amd64

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juski:

"Put an idiot on /ignore as soon as you discern he is an idiot."

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praet:

ok so your password is wrong.. have you done anything to mysql since installing it?

[20:06:32]

gardengnome:

gbee: i don't presume anything because he's been very unclear :)

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memmo_:

maby, I don't know it must have been by acident

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praet:

Regner: apt-get install ivtv-modules-`uname -r`

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gbee:

gardengnome: heh

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colbert:

gardengnome: Sorry.. I have an ATI Radeon 9700 Pro, it has TV Out so I have the wire came with it that goes from the back of card out to back of my TV.. then ATI has their own software that I downloaded, and I was able to watch TV on my PC in Windows using that

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Regner:

praet: ivtv-modules-2.6.18-4-amd64 is already the newest version

[20:07:40]

praet:

ok

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memmo_:

maby there is a way to reset the whole proces??

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juski:

colbert: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe . . . &spell=1

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praet:

memmo_: are you using mysql for anything else? if not reinstall it

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memmo_:

check

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clever_:

2007-03–13 15:02:39.346 NVP::AddAudioData():p3: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!

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gardengnome:

colbert: did you connect that cable to your tv and watched TV on your monitor? sorry, i'm confused

[20:08:58]

clever_:

how would i make that buffer larger?

[20:09:39]

colbert:

gardengnome: correct

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colbert:

on my monitor

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colbert:

on PC

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memmo_:

right another thing... what's the difference between sys-apps/mysql, dev-db/mysql and virtual/mysql?

[20:10:32]

gardengnome:

colbert: ok. no, i don't think the tv input of your video card is supported.

[20:10:49]

gardengnome:

colbert: a pvr 150 by hauppauge is a good choice for analog SDTV usually

[20:10:50]

colbert:

dang

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juski:

here lies an important lesson

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gardengnome:

colbert: still, i have no clue why you would connect that cable to your tv. :)

[20:11:21]

juski:

do some research & find out if the card you plan to use is supported by linux

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clever_:

i skiped that lesson a bit and got lucky:P

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juski:

that's not clever

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clever_:

i just grabed a card out of a box in the basement shoved it in and it worked

[20:12:06]

clever_:

i allready owned the card so i didnt risk any money

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colbert:

gardengnome: lol, it's to bring TV to my PC so I could record it and such

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juski:

you don't risk any money if you do some research first :)

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clever_:

i didnt even know of mythtv when i shoved the card in:P

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clever_:

i just knew the drivers worked best under win98

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colbert:

juski: Well, I did check and my card was supported by linux well, and I have lots of stuff like beryl and games on it working

[20:13:13]

clever_:

and my dad kept insisting i would never find linux drivers

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clever_:

when the drivers where allready installed and waiting to be loaded

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gardengnome:

colbert: yes, but the part of that card that'll allow you to record Tv is different afaik

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gardengnome:

colbert: is it an all in wonder card?

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clever_:

ubuntu seems to keep a large heap of kernel modules layoing arround just in case

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Regner:

nothing

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colbert:

gardengnome: No, just a regular 9700 Pro

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clever_:

using find may take a while

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clever_:

so you might not see the result for 5mins

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clever_:

also theres much better ways

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Regner:

no it came back nothing

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clever_:

find / -name ivtvfwextract.pl

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clever_:

locate ivtvfwextract.pl

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gardengnome:

colbert: maybe this is going to help you: http://gatos.sourceforge.net/

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clever_:

both of those will be alot easyer on the cpu

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gardengnome:

colbert: to be honest, i doubt it ;)

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praet:

Regner: try installing apt-get install ivtv-utils

[20:16:12]

** clever_ slaps praet **

[20:16:32]

Regner:

praet: ok, done

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** praet looks for a trout **

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praet:

ahem... find / -name ivtvfwextract.pl

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stuarta:

!trout praet

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** MythLogBot slaps praet with a trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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Regner:

praet: still nothing

[20:17:24]

colbert:

gardengnome: Nope, but thanks anyhow i appreciate your help. I am going to buy a new card soon anyhow, so now I'm more prepared :)

[20:17:26]

clever_:

lol whoa

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Taskinen:

pretty long epg :)

[20:17:40]

stuarta:

Taskinen: did you not run the cleanup?

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clever_:

Taskinen: bug or great provider?:P

[20:17:55]

Taskinen:

stuarta: not yet, waiting to finish some recordings

[20:17:55]

gardengnome:

colbert: http://wiki.mythtv.org and the official documentation should have some pointers on what card to buy

[20:17:58]

clever_:

call me back in 30 years and let me know if its valid:P

[20:18:04]

Taskinen:

clever_: I'm afraid just a bug :)

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stuarta:

Taskinen: you can run it without shutting things down

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clever_:

dangit:P

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Taskinen:

stuarta: oh, just leaving mythbackend running?

[20:18:52]

stuarta:

yeah, it's fine

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Taskinen:

alright, gonne try it

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Chai_Sangeen:

praet, quick question for avi playback on front ends i installed the multimedia codecs http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_t . . . media_Codecs and then mplayer but its still not playing the files...

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praet:

Regner: wget ftp://ftp.shspvr.com/download/wintv-pvr_250-3 . . . 2301_inf.zip

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rm_you:

Anyone have an lircrc file already set up for an old Packard Bell remote? :P

[20:20:59]

Chai_Sangeen:

praet, my macbook also has ubuntu and a front end but avi playback is no prob...

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Taskinen:

Query OK, 8 rows affected (0.12 sec)

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praet:

Regner: then /usr/bin/ivtv-make-fwpkg pvr_1.18.21.22301_inf.zip

[20:21:27]

cheeseboy:

checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... no

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cheeseboy:

checking whether g++ accepts -g... no

[20:21:27]

cheeseboy:

checking dependency style of g++... none

[20:21:27]

cheeseboy:

checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp

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cheeseboy:

configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check

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cheeseboy:

how do i fix that?

[20:21:49]

Regner:

ok

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Regner:

praet: i got a bunch of ivtv-firmware files now

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cheeseboy:

anyone?

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clever_:

which is more then my digital cable box gives:P

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praet:

Regner: dpkg -i ivtv-firmware_1.18.21.22301_all.deb

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Regner:

ok

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cheeseboy:

...

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Regner:

put it in a white padded room ?

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praet:

cheeseboy: what does config.log say?

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nasa:

Hi, I have ripped some of my DVDs using mythdvd ( I used the excellent setting) — I was wondering how to get the resulting video fill my full TV screen?

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praet:

you may need kernel-source installed and all kinds of compiler stuff

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praet:

like gcc-c++

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Regner:

praet: is this where we go back and try depmod -a again ?

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praet:

err sure

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praet:

you could also confirm the md5sum against the ivtv wiki list

[20:26:35]

Regner:

how do i do that

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cheeseboy:

http://pastebin.ca/393741

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praet:

'md5sum /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw'

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Regner:

praet: 9b39b3d3bba1ce2da40f82ef0c50ef48

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cheeseboy:

praet any idea whats wrong?

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Regner:

praet: if i am looking at the right page they check out now

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Disconnect:

ok .. so firewire "sorta" works. firewire_tester says "Broadcast Fix: Success (already stable)" but it only works about 1 time in 10 from 'watch tv'

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praet:

Regner: depmod -a ; modprobe ivtv

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Disconnect:

anyone got a pointer for docs/troubleshooting beyond the wiki page?

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cheeseboy:

praet how do i instll that stuff?

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praet:

apt-get / yum install gcc-g++

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Regner:

praet: still the same thing. its unable to open firmware v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw

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cheeseboy:

FATAL: Module lirc_i2c not found.

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cheeseboy:

...?

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gardengnome:

cheeseboy: install lirc

[20:41:49]

cheeseboy:

i did

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Zider:

is there a way to have mplayer/mencoder stream a shoutcast to files, alternating between two filenames? like saving 30 secs in 1.mp3, the next 30s in 2.mp3 and so on? (sorry for the offtopic)

[20:42:42]

gardengnome:

cheeseboy: install the correct driver. there's lots of guides out there i bet ;)

[20:42:43]

cheeseboy:

opp nvm

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cheeseboy:

forgot sudo X(

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praet:

Regner: something that may be an issue.. reboot and leave the power off for 30 seconds before starting up again as see if t makes a diff

[20:44:33]

Regner:

ok

[20:44:37]

Regner:

ummmm

[20:45:29]

Regner:

will take a few minutes to make sure no one is using it, my backend is also my fileserver, figured that having mythtv on the fileserver would be nice for storing recordings and such

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praet:

heh

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clever_:

yeah and it cant realy 'runout' of space

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Regner:

yay for 2.4 TB

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praet:

well then at the next reboot figure out if anything has changed

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Regner:

ok

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clever_:

by the time i hit 3gig free mythtv will start expiring shows

[20:46:09]

clever_:

and it wnt get any lower

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clever_:

aslong as i cant use that last 3gig in under 10mins

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clever_:

and i dont get rid of all autodelete files

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clever_:

it cant run low

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Regner:

i store all my dvds as iso's on my server and will be nice to be able to access them from mythtv

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Regner:

also, yay for gigabit

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clever_:

lol

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clever_:

you could just loopback mount half the iso's and treat them like folders of video files posibly

[20:47:47]

Regner:

well, i will be back in just a min, need to go start up server

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clever_:

but you will probly run out of loop interfaces

[20:48:02]

Regner:

still nice to play over mythtv

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praet:

Regner: edit /etc/modules and make sure ivtv is in there somewhere, and also in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases alias char-major-81–0 ivtv and alias char-major-81–1 ivtv

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** Beirdo is currently installing Solaris 10 **

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Beirdo:

heh

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praet:

i tried solaris once .. for about 20 mins

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juski:

20 mins? lucky you

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praet:

then i installd freebsd.. for 5 mins

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juski:

I had to work with it for years

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praet:

hehe

[20:52:04]

juski:

I didn't really know wtf I was doing cos we all just worked from documents

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juski:

little has changed ;)

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Beirdo:

hah

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Beirdo:

I like Solaris

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praet:

i would then say that intentionally installing it is like...

[20:52:56]

Beirdo:

it means employment :)

[20:53:09]

praet:

walking into a pole

[20:53:11]

Beirdo:

and my current opportunity.. is Solaris related again

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juski:

I could prolly totally walk the solaris admin course now

[20:53:19]

Beirdo:

nah, I like Solaris

[20:53:27]

Beirdo:

almost as much as I like Linux

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Beirdo:

I could too other than using ufsdump

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Beirdo:

as we never used it

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Beirdo:

heh

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juski:

partition a hdd

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cheeseboy:

connect: No such file or directory

[20:53:50]

juski:

make a fs

[20:53:52]

juski:

mount the fs

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juski:

schedule a backup script..

[20:54:02]

cheeseboy:

from irw...?

[20:54:24]

juski:

cheeseboy: thought you had lirc worky already

[20:54:34]

Beirdo:

anywyays, gonna install, then look into making a flash archive :)

[20:54:41]

juski:

just goes to show that stabbing random stuff in the dark teaches you nought

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Regner:

praet: for the /etc/modules do i just add ivtv, just as is, nothing special ?

[20:55:36]

juski:

anyway, on Sunday you'd already 'wasted 2 days on this stuff'.. so now it's 4 days? ;)

[20:56:02]

praet:

Regner: right

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juski:

or -d .. less typing

[20:57:48]

juski:

woo apparently ITVPLay might be replaced by a movies channel :)

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juski:

afk

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Regner:

praet: OMG I think it may have worked

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Regner:

now, how do i test if it worked

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praet:

ll /dev/video?

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Regner:

keep in mind i am sshed in as this is just a server, so any testing needs to be streamed i beleive

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praet:

Regner: /bin/dmesg |grep Initialized

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praet:

will tell you if the ivtv module loaded right

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cheeseboy:

where does mythtv lirc remoteconfig file go?

[21:00:22]

praet:

/dev/video0 will be created device

[21:00:51]

Regner:

ivtv0: Initialized WinTV PVR 500 (unit #1), card #0

[21:00:51]

Regner:

ivtv1: Initialized WinTV PVR 500 (unit #2), card #1

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Regner:

there is no /dev/video anything

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praet:

cheeseboy: /etc/lircd.conf and the lircrc in ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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memmo_:

everyone tnx, re-emerging and the gentoo-wiki for mysql seemed to work this time (up until now)

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praet:

Regner: no /dev/video0?

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memmo_:

nighty night

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Regner:

praet: no /dev/video

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Regner:

oh wiat

[21:03:51]

Regner:

wait

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Regner:

nvm

[21:03:57]

Regner:

its there

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Regner:

praet: so how can i test it ?

[21:04:25]

praet:

heh

[21:04:37]

Regner:

test that there is actually video

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praet:

cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test.mpeg

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praet:

then play /tmp/test.mpg

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praet:

like mplayer /tmp/test.mpg

[21:05:15]

clever_:

o crap im getting bored

[21:05:15]

Regner:

i will cat it to one of my shared folders and play it from there

[21:05:24]

clever_:

im reading kernel doc txt.gz files:P

[21:05:24]

praet:

you may need to change the default capture settings

[21:05:27]

clever_:

one after another....

[21:05:35]

clever_:

and there making sense:P

[21:05:50]

praet:

clever_: cut it out

[21:06:10]

clever_:

reading them or telling you of the fact?

[21:06:17]

praet:

both :)

[21:06:43]

clever_:

lol:P

[21:06:45]

clever_:

why?

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Regner:

aparently i do not have the decoder installed on my laptop to play that file.....

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cheeseboy:

omg

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cheeseboy:

mythtv works

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cheeseboy:

:O

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gardengnome:

cheeseboy: don't touch it!! :)

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praet:

Regner: it captures mpeg2 file (dvd)

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gardengnome:

cheeseboy: heh. you might want to get a backup now. just in case. :)

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cheeseboy:

how?

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praet:

cheeseboy: cmon now i know you can ask a better question then 'how?'

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Regner:

it would to wouldnt it, wich means i need to get that on my laptop, this is a fresh install of ubuntu

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praet:

Regner: apt-get install vlc ?

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Regner:

i did

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Regner:

still no

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praet:

ffmpeg -i test.mpg

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Regner:

i have never played dvds in linux so i dont know what to get

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Regner:

praet: what does that do ?

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praet:

shows info about the file

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praet:

anyone here know the ruirements to play a mpeg2 capture on ubuntu speak up

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Regner:

well i thought i had that figured out but aparently not

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praet:

you mean playback?

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Regner:

yea

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praet:

can you vnc into the box?

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Regner:

no

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Regner:

only ssh

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Regner:

i just forward x11 applications over ssh to this machine

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Regner:

just dont have many of them because X is not installed

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praet:

heh

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praet:

does mplayer error out?

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cheeseboy:

whatsthecommnd to get channel data for mythtv backend?

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praet:

after setting up mythtv for listings, run mythfilldatabase

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Regner:

how do i setup the listings

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cheeseboy:

what about ect/chron.daily or w/e

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praet:

Regner: mythtvsetup

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GreyFoxx:

Regner: Read the docs

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GreyFoxx:

mythtv.org , Documentation link

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Regner:

dang it

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praet:

cheeseboy: if you are running a zap2it listing, then mythtv can handle it

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Regner:

this is when i need two monitors

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cheeseboy:

ok

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praet:

its better to have mythtv do it as the grabber will return random times to run the listing (between your parameters) to balance the server load

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Regner:

this is just the backend

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cheeseboy:

how long does mythfilldatabse take?

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GreyFoxx:

then the external ip of the machine

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Regner:

ok, when i use the external ip and i run the mythfilldatabase it times out connecting

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GreyFoxx:

after that it's quick

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cheeseboy:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

Regner: Did you restart the backend after setting the backendip ?

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Regner:

will try that

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Regner:

yes

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Regner:

actually yes

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GreyFoxx:

paste the timeout error to pastebin.ca

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Regner:

http://www.pastebin.ca/393841

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GreyFoxx:

Are you 100% positive that the backend is running ?

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GreyFoxx:

and reachable from wherever you are running mythfilldatabase ?

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Regner:

shhhhhhh

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Regner:

dont tell any one, but i forgot to start the backend again after killing it to run the myth-setup

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Disconnect:

lol

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Disconnect:

fyi if anyone hasn't tried it yet...fios tv has about 29 non-locked channels out of 430. :(

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Disconnect:

so i may be cancelling w/in the first-month free-bailout. (if i gotta keep dtv anyway for things like discovery, may as well not pay 2x)

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promacuser:

is there an easy answer to this question: can i get cable channels above 100 using mythtv in the US?

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GreyFoxx:

promacuser: That's actually a queston of what method you use to capture the channels

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GreyFoxx:

ananlog cable tuners only go up to 125

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GreyFoxx:

otherwise you need a stb and record from it's output

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promacuser:

GreyFoxx: what is a stb exactly?

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Disconnect:

firewire depends on the provider, generally tho its either 100% open or (sigh, like my new fios) 100% closed.

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GreyFoxx:

promacuser: settop box

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promacuser:

mm. i do have one of those

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promacuser:

does it have to have firewire to be successful?

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GreyFoxx:

no, you can record from the rca/svideo/whatever outputs

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Disconnect:

promacuser: if you want digital capture, its firewire. (or a card that can decode cable, eg pchdtv) .. otherwise it doesn't matter what the backend is cuz you just tune with an ir emitter (or serial, with some STBs) and capture/encode it

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promacuser:

ok, i think it's time for more specifics

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promacuser:

i have a Mythbox with a PVR-250 and I want to be able to record through my Motorola STB from RCN in chicago

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cheeseboy:

um.. why doesnt my remote work anymore?

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cheeseboy:

any reson why my remotewould stop working?

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promacuser:

so there is only one thing coming out of the STB, as in the one program i want to record, at a time

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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promacuser:

is there a certain setup that has to occur within mythtv?

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GreyFoxx:

so if you want multiple "digital" channels you need multiple stb's

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promacuser:

does it have to be on channel 3 or something like an old vcr?

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GreyFoxx:

pretty much yes

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GreyFoxx:

and use an external channel changer to send an ir signal to the box

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cheeseboy:

can someone help me fix my remote?

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cheeseboy:

i nvr got irw to work

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cheeseboy:

but the remote worked w/ mythtv fine

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praet:

so the remote never worked?

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praet:

ah

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cheeseboy:

now it doesnt..

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praet:

wierd..

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promacuser:

GreyFoxx: is there a place to set the default input channel for this sort of method?

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Regner:

the username and password that it is asking me for in the video sources setup, is that from zap2it.com ?

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GreyFoxx:

promacuser: under input connections I believe

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praet:

try irw /dev/lirc0

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GreyFoxx:

Regner: yes

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cheeseboy:

do i have to start lirc somehow or somtin?

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praet:

Regner: yup

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praet:

cheeseboy: lircd << the deamon

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cheeseboy:

how?

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praet:

/sbin/service lircd start

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Regner:

i guess im blind, but i cant find where to create an account on that site

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GreyFoxx:

You are blind

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praet:

Regner: labs.zap2it.com

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cheeseboy:

service?

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promacuser:

ok. i'll try that

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praet:

promacuser: yes i think there is a setting that states 'always start on channel' put 3 in there

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praet:

or just change the tuner to a chan and test

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cheeseboy:

bash: /sbin/service: No such file or directory

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cheeseboy:

?

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praet:

cheeseboy: what os are you in?

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cheeseboy:

ubuntu

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praet:

sudo /etc/init.d/lircd start

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cheeseboy:

sudo: /etc/init.d/lircd: command not found

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praet:

cheeseboy: create the file like this http://www.section6.net/wiki/index.php/Instal . . . uilding_LIRC

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harzi:

p

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harzi:

sry

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cheeseboy:

sudo: updated-rc.d: command not found

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Regner:

well, i have g2g to work, but before i go I wanted to thank those of you who help me, especially praet. I think it is mostly working now. If now I will be back

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promacuser:

GreyFoxx: is it merely a change of setting or do i have to go back and redo my card capture settings?

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serfrs:

can anyone answer me why is it when I setup my backend, and use my remote frontend to watch tv, its zoomed in... and changing the over/underscan %'s does nothing but make the "box" its running in larger or smaller but keep the same view

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serfrs:

I have been wrestling with this the whole day and no luck

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juski:

jesus h fecking christ that openmedia guy needs to be put down

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juski:

"One item to note is none of my customer use the MythTV Wiki as they find

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juski:

it far too hard to navigate."

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juski:

arghhhH!

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juski:

!trout openmedia bloodsucker

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** MythLogBot slaps openmedia with a bloodsucker trout on behalf of juski... **

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Ryushin:

Okay, I'm not very happy at Comcast cable for keep raising my rates and not providing anything extra in return. So I want to explore satellite. Either DirectTV or Dish. My only hold back is the ability to send the signal to all the TV's in my house. I don't mind have one receiver that can stream analog or QAM to the rest of the house, but is there such a beast. I even don't mind throwing away might Hauppauge cards and going with

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Ryushin:

more digital QAM cards. Is this even possible?

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juski:

open source can mix with commercial interests, but not when the commercial entity is a leech

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juski:

aaanyway

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dustybin:

ive learnt how to setup a playlist in mythtv!

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juski:

Ryushin: two or more boxes, pvr150/500 cards, IR blasters/serial cables and you're laughing, surely?

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juski:

oh and extra frontends of course

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juski:

Ryushin: very very difficult, if not impossible on a consumer budget

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mchang:

Ryushin: have you seen hdtv encoders?

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mchang:

Ryushin: don't seem too cheap :)

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Ryushin:

Wonderful, so the ease of use with analog I will never be able to get back, and I'm stuck using a set top box for the future of TV delivery. And now with the article on slashdot about the DVB consortium trying to screw us, it looks like a crap is destined for the future.

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dustybin:

theres not enough stuff on UK freeview to make use of four tuners!

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Ryushin:

mchang: Well, I want to use the digital tuners built in to all my TV's. I just want the DirecTV/Dish receiver to be able to send all the channels over QAM.

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mchang:

Ryushin: I don't think that it is a huge conspiracy. It is just technically challenging.

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dustybin:

cheesboy

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serfrs:

can anyone answer me why is it when I setup my backend, and use my remote frontend to watch tv, its zoomed in... and changing the over/underscan %'s does nothing but make the "box" its running in larger or smaller but keep the same view

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cheeseboy:

yes ive read thedocs

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dustybin:

heh

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mchang:

Ryushin: can't you just split out the directv signal? (sorry, I'm coming into this conversation about 6:38pm)

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Ryushin:

Well, according to the article, they want to bring back the broadcast flag in addition to all this other encryption they want to force down our throats and cut out the open source community.

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dustybin:

cheeseboy have u setup your serial driver

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cheeseboy:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Lirc_on_Ubuntu_Dapper did everything tht says

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mchang:

Ryushin: I totally, 100 agree that we're getting the shaft in that way. But in the "no cheap HDTV encoders for the home", I just think it is a difficult thing to do.

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mchang:

Broadcast flag makes me cry, and the end-to-end cablecard2 spec is scary.

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Ryushin:

mchang: Can the DirectTV receiver send out a signal in QAM to the rest of the digital TV's in the house? I don't think they want to do that. I think they want to get their monthly charge for every TV in the house.

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cheeseboy:

it worked for a lil while but then it didnt anmore

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dustybin:

did it stop working when u restarted your computer?

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Ryushin:

mchang: We'll see cheap HDTV encoders with the next version of AMD/ATI's new design coming out. You'll just buy a two socket system, and put a GPU in one of the sockets that can be used to encode whatever we want.

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cheeseboy:

dustybin, not sure

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dustybin:

go to a terminal and type in

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dustybin:

modprobe lirc_serial

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cheeseboy:

might have been when i exited mythtv

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cheeseboy:

FATAL: Module lirc_serial not found.

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cheeseboy:

ubuntu btw

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dustybin:

im pretty sure u need that module to make lirc work

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cheeseboy:

so what do i do/

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dustybin:

you need to install the driver!

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cheeseboy:

didnt i already?

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dustybin:

type in

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dustybin:

lsmod | grep lirc

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cheeseboy:

lirc_i2c 10116 0

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cheeseboy:

lirc_dev 15060 1 lirc_i2c

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cheeseboy:

i2c_core 22288 9 i2c_ec,cx88xx,lirc_i2c,tuner,tvaudio,bttv,i2c_algo_bit,tveeprom,nvidia

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dustybin:

i see!

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dustybin:

your using the i2c driver!

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dustybin:

if your using your serial port u need to use the lirc_serial I THINK!

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dustybin:

when u installed / compiled lirc

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cheeseboy:

im usin the ir thing that goes in my tunercrd

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dustybin:

there is a option to change so it installs the correct driver

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cheeseboy:

i installed correct driver

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dustybin:

ok so your not using the serial port?

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cheeseboy:

no im not

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dustybin:

ok go to a terminal and type irw

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dustybin:

and hit some buttons on your remote

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dustybin:

can u see anything?

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cheeseboy:

connect: No such file or directory

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dustybin:

lirc_i2c 10116 0

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praet:

cheeseboy: what remote are you using ? the pvr-250 ?

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dustybin:

i wonder if that should be set to 1?

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mchang:

Ryushin: i'd say that an hdtv encoder on the *next* rev is going to be highly optimisic

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cheeseboy:

the happuage grey one

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mchang:

optimistic...

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praet:

what card do you have pvr-150 or 250 ..

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cheeseboy:

i don't know..

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cheeseboy:

:(

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praet:

dmesg |grep -i Initialized

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cheeseboy:

[17179572.692000] Security Framework v1.0.0 initialized

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cheeseboy:

[17179573.592000] audit(1173825470.592:1): initialized

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cheeseboy:

[17179574.044000] RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 65536K size 1024 blocksize

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cheeseboy:

[17179575.292000] Capability LSM initialized

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cheeseboy:

[17179615.460000] Bluetooth: HCI device and connection manager initialized

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cheeseboy:

[17179615.460000] Bluetooth: HCI socket layer initialized

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cheeseboy:

[17179615.512000] Bluetooth: L2CAP socket layer initialized

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cheeseboy:

[17179615.624000] Bluetooth: RFCOMM socket layer initialized

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cheeseboy:

[17179615.624000] Bluetooth: RFCOMM TTY layer initialized

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praet:

cheeseboy: did running mode2 and then pressing keys return anything?

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cheeseboy:

yes

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cheeseboy:

it used to work but it stoped too

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praet:

modprobe lirc_i2c

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cheeseboy:

didnt say anything

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praet:

dmesg | tail

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dustybin:

cheeseboy if it didnt say anything then maybe it might work now!

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praet:

right

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dustybin:

irw

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cheeseboy:

[17179615.460000] Bluetooth: Core ver 2.8

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cheeseboy:

[17179615.460000] NET: Registered protocol family 31

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cheeseboy:

[17179615.460000] Bluetooth: HCI device and connection manager initialized

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cheeseboy:

[17179615.460000] Bluetooth: HCI socket layer initialized

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cheeseboy:

[17179615.512000] Bluetooth: L2CAP ver 2.8

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cheeseboy:

[17179615.512000] Bluetooth: L2CAP socket layer initialized

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cheeseboy:

[17179615.624000] Bluetooth: RFCOMM socket layer initialized

[22:59:16]

cheeseboy:

[17179615.624000] Bluetooth: RFCOMM TTY layer initialized

[22:59:18]

cheeseboy:

[17179615.624000] Bluetooth: RFCOMM ver 1.7

[22:59:20]

cheeseboy:

[17180006.664000] bttv0: PLL can sleep, using XTAL (28636363).

[22:59:29]

cheeseboy:

connect: No such file or directory

[22:59:46]

dustybin:

what does: depmod -ae do?

[23:00:16]

dustybin:

it probes all modules.

[23:00:38]

cheeseboy:

said nothing

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dustybin:

i think i know what your problem is

[23:01:01]

cheeseboy:

ok

[23:01:09]

praet:

try ll /dev/lirc?

[23:01:16]

dustybin:

i THINK u need to tell LIRC the i/o address of your IR card

[23:01:21]

cheeseboy:

yes i checked the batteries :p

[23:01:26]

dustybin:

maybe..?

[23:01:57]

cheeseboy:

bash: ll: command not found

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praet:

cheeseboy: sudo /etc/init.d/lircd start

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praet:

cheeseboy: ls /dev/lirc*

[23:03:39]

praet:

does lircd start?

[23:03:43]

cheeseboy:

/dev/lirc0

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praet:

k

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[23:04:35]

praet:

ok

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praet:

mode2

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praet:

press keys and see if data is spit oput

[23:05:36]

cheeseboy:

mode2: error opening /dev/lirc

[23:05:36]

cheeseboy:

mode2: No such file or directory

[23:06:10]

praet:

mode2 -d /dev/lirc0

[23:06:13]

praet:

try that

[23:07:09]

cheeseboy:

ok its workin

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praet:

irw -d /dev/lirc0

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cheeseboy:

irw: invalid option — d

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cheeseboy:

unrecognized option: -d

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praet:

irw --device=/dev/lirc0

[23:08:51]

cheeseboy:

irw: unrecognized option `--device=/dev/lirc0'

[23:08:51]

cheeseboy:

unrecognized option: -

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praet:

irw /dev/lirc0

[23:09:55]

praet:

why cant they make arguments predictible..

[23:10:14]

cheeseboy:

connect: Connection refused

[23:11:30]

cheeseboy:

<sigh>

[23:12:16]

praet:

try irw /dev/lircd

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cheeseboy:

connect: No such file or directory

[23:14:17]

praet:

irw /dev/lircd0

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cheeseboy:

connect: No such file or directory

[23:14:51]

charlieS_:

cheeseboy: lemme guess, lirc_mceusb2?

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cheeseboy:

um..

[23:15:18]

cheeseboy:

just lirc

[23:15:22]

charlieS_:

your remote...

[23:15:37]

cheeseboy:

h/o ill get a pic

[23:15:54]

mirak:

is there a way to suspend the computer from command line ?

[23:16:07]

charlieS_:

it it says "microsoft" on it.. it won't work with current lirc/kernel

[23:16:12]

cheeseboy:

http://registration.hauppauge.com/webstore/im . . . e_medium.jpg

[23:16:13]

charlieS_:

mirak: man shutdown

[23:16:38]

cheeseboy:

iknow it works

[23:16:47]

cheeseboy:

just doesnt right now

[23:16:54]

charlieS_:

cheeseboy: oh, nope. It's still probably broken though.. lirc sucks teh ass.

[23:17:16]

cheeseboy:

mode2 works

[23:17:39]

dustybin:

cheeseboy, you might have one of those linux viruses floating around..

[23:17:40]

mirak:

charlieS_: hibernate or suspend, not shutdown

[23:17:59]

charlieS_:

mirak: correct. see the manpage.

[23:18:13]

mirak:

of what ?

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cheeseboy:

dustybin doubt i installed yesterday

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cheeseboy:

anyone else ideas?

[23:19:44]

dustybin:

u got it working after u typed:

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dustybin:

mode2 -d /dev/lirc0

[23:19:47]

dustybin:

?

[23:20:53]

cheeseboy:

yes it works in that test thing

[23:21:45]

dustybin:

what does it say or do?

[23:22:06]

cheeseboy:

i shows what buttons ipress

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cheeseboy:

code: 0x1790

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cheeseboy:

like that

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dustybin:

ok so its nearly working

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cheeseboy:

i guess

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dustybin:

now u need to tell lirc to use /dev/lirc0 i think

[23:23:42]

cheeseboy:

how?

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dustybin:

because at the moment its not being used by anything

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dustybin:

/dev/lirc0 = the output of your IR card

[23:24:32]

cheeseboy:

ok

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dustybin:

now you need to send that output to LIRC so LIRC can do its stuff

[23:25:25]

cheeseboy:

how?

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dustybin:

if i hit mode2 -d /dev/lirc0 my machine responds with

[23:26:01]

dustybin:

mode2: error opening /dev/lirc0

[23:26:09]

dustybin:

mode2: Device or resource busy

[23:26:27]

dustybin:

so that means LIRC has taken hold of that device !

[23:26:34]

cheeseboy:

ok..

[23:26:45]

cheeseboy:

how do i make lirc do it?

[23:26:50]

dustybin:

let me have a think

[23:27:06]

cheeseboy:

ok

[23:27:15]

dustybin:

u could start by looking at all the config files in

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dustybin:

/etc/lirc

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praet:

cheeseboy: reboot and see if lircd picks it up properly

[23:28:06]

cheeseboy:

i dont think lircd is startingt boot

[23:28:39]

cheeseboy:

not sure tho

[23:28:46]

dustybin:

edit your /etc/modules

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dustybin:

and put in

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cheeseboy:

did that

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cheeseboy:

brb

[23:29:14]

dustybin:

lirc_i2c

[23:29:16]

dustybin:

ok

[23:32:39]

cheeseboy:

ok now what?

[23:32:47]

dustybin:

have u tested?

[23:32:54]

cheeseboy:

no

[23:33:02]

cheeseboy:

ijust rebooted

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dustybin:

have a test see if anything has happened

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cheeseboy:

test w?hat

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praet:

mode2

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praet:

lircd is probably not running tho

[23:34:12]

cheeseboy:

what was the full thing?

[23:34:19]

dustybin:

if u ls /dev/lirc*

[23:34:30]

dustybin:

your lircd is missing

[23:34:51]

praet:

laters

[23:35:05]

cheeseboy:

dustybin just gave me a >

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dustybin:

a what?

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cheeseboy:

>

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dustybin:

?

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cheeseboy:

that symol

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dustybin:

type in

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dustybin:

ls /dev/lirc*

[23:36:02]

cheeseboy:

the key next toquestion mark

[23:36:22]

dustybin:

close the terminal window

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dustybin:

and open another then type

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dustybin:

ls /dev/lirc*

[23:36:42]

cheeseboy:

/dev/lirc0

[23:37:02]

dustybin:

mine says

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cheeseboy:

ok

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cheeseboy:

where is everyone?

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dustybin:

type in

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dustybin:

/etc/init.d/lirc start

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cheeseboy:

##################################################

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cheeseboy:

## LIRC IS NOT CONFIGURED ##

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cheeseboy:

## ##

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cheeseboy:

## read /usr/share/doc/lirc/html/configure.html ##

[23:38:55]

cheeseboy:

##################################################

[23:38:56]

cheeseboy:

Starting lirc daemon:.

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dustybin:

there u go..

[23:39:20]

dustybin:

let me think

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dustybin:

ok

[23:39:50]

dustybin:

edit /etc/init.d/lirc

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dustybin:

and look for

[23:40:08]

dustybin:

START_LIRCD=true

[23:40:14]

dustybin:

make sure it says true and not false

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[23:41:29]

cheeseboy:

theres like 8 of em

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cheeseboy:

change em all to true?

[23:41:50]

dustybin:

hold on

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dustybin:

dont touch any of them

[23:42:16]

dustybin:

apart from the first ones u see from the top

[23:42:42]

cheeseboy:

"#####################################################"

[23:42:42]

cheeseboy:

echo "## If this message is not appropriate you may set ##"

[23:42:42]

cheeseboy:

echo "## LOAD_MODULES=false in /etc/lirc/hardware.conf ##"

[23:42:42]

cheeseboy:

echo "#####################################################"

[23:42:42]

cheeseboy:

START_LIRCMD=false

[23:42:43]

cheeseboy:

START_LIRCD=false

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cheeseboy:

those?

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dustybin:

sorry no

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cheeseboy:

those re first ones in file

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dustybin:

follow downwards until u see the next ones

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cheeseboy:

"##################################################"

[23:44:10]

cheeseboy:

echo "## LIRC IS NOT CONFIGURED ##"

[23:44:10]

cheeseboy:

echo "## ##"

[23:44:10]

cheeseboy:

echo "## read /usr/share/doc/lirc/html/configure.html ##"

[23:44:10]

cheeseboy:

echo "##################################################"

[23:44:11]

cheeseboy:

fi

[23:44:13]

cheeseboy:

START_LIRCD=false

[23:44:15]

cheeseboy:

START_LIRCMD=false

[23:44:17]

cheeseboy:

those?

[23:44:28]

dustybin:

no just above

[23:44:49]

cheeseboy:

#test -f /etc/lirc/lircmd.conf || exit 0

[23:44:49]

cheeseboy:

START_LIRCMD=true

[23:44:49]

cheeseboy:

START_LIRCD=true

[23:44:54]

cheeseboy:

those?

[23:44:57]

dustybin:

ok so thats ok yes

[23:45:03]

dustybin:

close that now

[23:45:11]

dustybin:

dont touch anything

[23:45:15]

cheeseboy:

ok..

[23:45:36]

dustybin:

right now cd /etc/lirc

[23:45:47]

dustybin:

nano hardware.conf

[23:46:07]

dustybin:

make sure u have

[23:46:19]

dustybin:

LIRCD_CONF="/etc/lirc/lircd.conf"

[23:46:28]

dustybin:

assuming your lircd.conf is places there!

[23:46:33]

dustybin:

*placed

[23:47:03]

cheeseboy:

i dont

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dustybin:

DEVICE="/dev/lirc0"

[23:47:09]

cheeseboy:

put it in?

[23:47:16]

dustybin:

what does yours say?

[23:47:31]

cheeseboy:

# /etc/lirc/hardware.conf

[23:47:31]

cheeseboy:

#

[23:47:31]

cheeseboy:

# Arguments which will be used when launching lircd

[23:47:31]

cheeseboy:

LIRCD_ARGS=""

[23:47:31]

cheeseboy:

#Don't start lircmd even if there seems to be a good config file

[23:47:32]

cheeseboy:

#START_LIRCMD=false

[23:47:34]

cheeseboy:

#Try to load appropriate kernel modules

[23:47:36]

cheeseboy:

LOAD_MODULES=true

[23:47:38]

cheeseboy:

# Run "lircd --driver=help" for a list of supported drivers.

[23:47:40]

cheeseboy:

DRIVER=""

[23:47:42]

cheeseboy:

# If DEVICE is set to /dev/lirc and devfs is in use /dev/lirc/0 will be

[23:47:44]

cheeseboy:

# automatically used instead

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cheeseboy:

DEVICE=""

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cheeseboy:

MODULES=""

[23:47:50]

cheeseboy:

# Default configuration files for your hardware if any

[23:47:52]

cheeseboy:

LIRCD_CONF=""

[23:47:54]

cheeseboy:

LIRCMD_CONF=""

[23:47:58]

dustybin:

jeeze no wonder

[23:48:06]

dustybin:

first thing to change is

[23:48:23]

dustybin:

DRIVER="default"

[23:48:41]

dustybin:

DEVICE="/dev/lirc0"

[23:48:44]

cheeseboy:

k

[23:49:20]

dustybin:

MODULES="lirc_i2c"

[23:49:30]

dustybin:

LIRCD_CONF="/etc/lirc/lircd.conf"

[23:50:17]

cheeseboy:

that it?

[23:50:24]

dustybin:

save and close that document

[23:50:32]

dustybin:

once u done the changes!

[23:50:49]

cheeseboy:

im not thatdumb :P

[23:50:55]

dustybin:

heh

[23:51:07]

dustybin:

your lircd.conf should be the config for your particular remote

[23:51:25]

cheeseboy:

i think it is

[23:51:31]

dustybin:

if your using the grey hauppauge i have a config u can use

[23:51:34]

cheeseboy:

how do icheck?

[23:51:39]

dustybin:

nano lircd.conf

[23:51:41]

cheeseboy:

impretty sure i did this

[23:51:51]

dustybin:

what does the name say?

[23:52:17]

cheeseboy:

ok i didnt do it

[23:52:30]

dustybin:

hold on ill show u a pic of my remote to make sure u have the same one

[23:52:30]

cheeseboy:

#UNCONFIGURED

[23:52:30]

cheeseboy:

#

[23:52:31]

cheeseboy:

#

[23:52:31]

cheeseboy:

# /usr/share/doc/lirc/README.Debian

[23:52:59]

dustybin:

is this your remote?

[23:53:01]

dustybin:

http://registration.hauppauge.com/webstore/im . . . e_medium.jpg

[23:53:17]

cheeseboy:

yep

[23:53:34]

dustybin:

hold on ill upload the config for u to use

[23:53:41]

cheeseboy:

ok

[23:54:47]

dustybin:

ok type in

[23:54:54]

dustybin:

rm lircd.conf

[23:55:09]

dustybin:

to remove the old one

[23:55:21]

dustybin:

then type in

[23:55:27]

dustybin:

wget http://pandora.ispeeds.net/~dustybin/lircd.conf

[23:56:24]

cheeseboy:

ok

[23:56:35]

dustybin:

check to make sure u have the new lircd.conf

[23:56:38]

dustybin:

nano lircd.conf

[23:57:39]

cheeseboy:

yep its there

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dustybin:

right now u need to restart the lirc daemon

[23:58:07]

dustybin:

/etc/init.d/lirc start

[23:58:11]

cheeseboy:

how?

[23:58:11]

dustybin:

what does it say?

[23:58:14]

dustybin:

what does it say?

[23:58:15]

dustybin:

/etc/init.d/lirc start

[23:58:48]

cheeseboy:

Starting lirc daemon: lircd.

[23:58:53]

dustybin:

yay :)

[23:59:00]

dustybin:

now type in irw

[23:59:07]

dustybin:

and press some buttons on your remote

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cheeseboy:

in mythtv?

[23:59:26]

dustybin:

no in terminal

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cheeseboy:

g-fundies@g-fundies-desktop:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/lirc start

[23:59:49]

cheeseboy:

Starting lirc daemon: lircd.

[23:59:49]

cheeseboy:

g-fundies@g-fundies-desktop:~$

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