Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, March 12th, 2007, 00:01 UTC

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reaspired:

anyone know much about mediamvp frontend.. ahh whats it called

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GreyFoxx:

mvpmc

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GreyFoxx:

I use to use it on mine. It works well enough :)

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cheeseboy:

how do i check if lirc is runnin?

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Vashie:

anyone willin to help me get this transcode script working?

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kgbudz:

will you pay me?

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Vashie:

nope

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kgbudz:

ok, my mythtv is toast

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kgbudz:

its scheduling recordings an hour early

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kgbudz:

eventhough my listings are correct

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tank-man:

to transcode to what?

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kgbudz:

me?

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tank-man:

Vashie

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Vashie:

trying to do a lossless transcode with a cutlist. The script will run but errors out after the flagging job saying that the chanid isnt valid

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Vashie:

http://pastebin.com/897258

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Vashie:

thats the script

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tank-man:

is it mpeg2 ?

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Vashie:

yep

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kgbudz:

you trying to do a mpeg2 -> mpeg2 commercial cut?

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Vashie:

yes

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tank-man:

mythtranscode or somethign does it

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kgbudz:

i tried writing a script to do that a year ago

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tank-man:

make a cut list, then cut it

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kgbudz:

yes, mythtv does it

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kgbudz:

so does nuvexport

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tank-man:

call mythcommflag with --gencutlist, then call mythtranscode with --honorcutlist --mpeg2

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tank-man:

two lines

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tank-man:

put that in a script and make it a user job

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tank-man:

to run after flagging commercials

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Vashie:

I have it make the cutlist, and pass the cutlist to mythtranscode.. for some reason mythtranscode will only process with the chanid and start time.. but for some reason the chanid that gets passed isnt valid

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tank-man:

you using "$chanid" ?

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tank-man:

sorry, %CHANID%

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tank-man:

Vashie, wow, that looks like a lot of extra work

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tank-man:

i'm going for a smoke, bbl

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Vashie:

yeah I know, found it on the web, I've already got a autoflag job on it could prob just grab the transcode string

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Keithaway:

what size HDDs do you guys have in your mythboxen? I was planning 1tb, think thats enough?

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Vashie:

if you want to archive the world

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Vashie:

I've got about 200 in my mythbox but then again I just watch and delete

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reaspired:

GreyFoxx, did you have to build a kernel to make mvpmc work?

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Keithaway:

I dislike swapping cds and dvds, I'd have it all on my HDD, with cds and dvds kept in my attic or something

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Keithaway:

i easily have 50gb of music when I can be bothered to rip it to flac from mp3 (I know...)

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Vashie:

ja, I've got a 3tb nas downstairs for that

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kgbudz:

so does anyone in the us have mythtv working after this DST change?

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Vashie:

I do

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Keithaway:

and I want 5.1 1080i stuff, so think 1tb is enough??

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kgbudz:

what did you do to get it all working?

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Vashie:

knoppmyth had the latest locales package already in it and was preset. for my unbuntu box I just had to apt-get install locales

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ffish:

where can I get a copy of the firmware file for the air2pc card?

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ffish:

I need dvb-fe-bcm3510–01.fw

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Keithaway:

Vashie, how much was your nas in terms of cost? Whats the specs apart from 3tb??

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kgbudz:

ive got 2tb

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Vashie:

it was around 2500 4 drive raid 5 750gb drives. its a readynas.

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kgbudz:

and keep all my dvds in mpeg2

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Vashie:

I want ALOT of movies :>

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kgbudz:

i just copy the video_ts off my dvds onto my fs

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kgbudz:

so i get all the menus, etc

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Keithamus:

$2500?

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kgbudz:

500gb hds are around $125

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kgbudz:

start with those

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kgbudz:

and you can make a pretty nice nas

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Vashie:

yeah.

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Keithamus:

kgbudz, call me stupid, but does that get messy, or can you keep it organised, and does mythtv deal with it transparently?

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kgbudz:

Keithamus, yes

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kgbudz:

not messy at all

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ffish:

Keithamus: you can actually just rip the who iso using 'dd' and myth figures it out

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Keithamus:

What sort of PC would I need for a nas? Like 300mhz? 1ghz?

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Vashie:

I use xbmc to front end it all looks purdy

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kgbudz:

http://www.rezsoft.org/pics/mythtv_hd.jpg

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kgbudz:

thats my video guide

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Vashie:

I bought an appliance, but a 1ghz box would do fine

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kgbudz:

those are all dvds

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Keithamus:

kgbudz, thats what I want!

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kgbudz:

well, get to work :)

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Keithamus:

Vashie, really that much?

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Keithamus:

I guess I could use this and get a new pc then :D

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kgbudz:

right now i got 2tb between 2 servers

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kgbudz:

1tb for recordings

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kgbudz:

1tb for archive

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Keithamus:

rather spend a few k on a new PC and just up this one, than keep this PC and spend a few K on a glorified hard drive.

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kgbudz:

im planning on building a 5–7tb server

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kgbudz:

soon

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Vashie:

not really but I do alot on it, I wouldnt go less then a 800 though if you've got alot of disk access. or do sofware raid etc

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Keithamus:

I'd probably do hardware raid.

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ffish:

software raid is probably going to be more reliable

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kgbudz:

http://myth.rezsoft.org/

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kgbudz:

thats my current setup

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Keithamus:

And Im only looking to have one mythbox, maybe in the future a thin client for my kitchen/bedroom for music and the odd video while cooking.

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ffish:

hw raid cards tend to be pretty crap

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kgbudz:

notice how my upcoming recordings are an hour off :(

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Keithamus:

lol

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Vashie:

what distro kgbudz?

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kgbudz:

fc4

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Keithamus:

does anyone know if I could be really hardcore, and setup an asterisk server to interface with my mythbox, so I could call my mythbox and schedule program recordings?

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Vashie:

kgbudz: do a zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007 and see if the first entry is apr 1 or mar 11

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kgbudz:

ffish, why are hardware raid cards crappy?

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Keithamus:

kgbudz, mind setting indexes on http://www.rezsoft.org/pics/ pretty please?

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kgbudz:

haha

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kgbudz:

nope

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Keithamus:

;)

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kormoc:

ffish, hardware cards tend to be nice, the fake hardware cards tend to be crap :P

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Keithamus:

no you dont mind, or no its not gonna happen?

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kgbudz:

Vashie, march 11

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kgbudz:

what does that mean?

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Vashie:

thats when the timezone is set to expire DST

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Vashie:

have you done a reboot?

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kgbudz:

yup

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Vashie:

weird

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kgbudz:

20 minutes ago

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cheeseboy:

how to i uninstall lirc?

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Vashie:

when mythbackend restarted it should have reset the time

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kgbudz:

right...

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Vashie:

on mythweb what time does it say in the upper righthand corner next to the searchbox?

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Dr_willis:

darn it – i cant get my box to have the right time. :()

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Dr_willis:

heh

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kgbudz:

the correct time...

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kgbudz:

but the listings are off by an hour

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Vashie:

did you try a mythfill?

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kgbudz:

yes

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Vashie:

wack

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kgbudz:

i had the listings correct earlier, but the schedule was off an hour

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kgbudz:

after the reboot, the listings went off an hour again

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kgbudz:

and the schedule matches the listings (off an hour)

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Dr_willis:

kgbudz, heh my whols system is off by an hr. :) curse ben franklin and his DST idea

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Vashie:

sorry bud at that point I dont know what to tell you. your computer knows what time it is but myth dont

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cheeseboy:

how do i remove lirc?

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kgbudz:

yup...

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Vashie:

smoke afk

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Dr_willis:

I got set to EST. but not sure how to tell it i am using DST.. actually the bios clock is wrong also.. so it may be my bios battery is dead.

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kgbudz:

Dr_willis, yum update tzdata

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kgbudz:

but if your mythtv is working correctly, i advice not to do it

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kgbudz:

advise

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ffish:

hm ... I can't seem to get a decent signal for my air2pc card

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Dr_willis:

kgbudz, using knoppmyth. :) lets try some apt-get-fu

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kgbudz:

like if you can 'hack' your time and get it to work, do that

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Dr_willis:

yea – im using a rather old release of knoppmyth – so i may as well update to the latest.

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kgbudz:

still nothing...

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kgbudz:

ive tried everything

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kgbudz:

isnt there a setting to adjust the mythtv time?

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cheeseboy:

hows knopmyth?

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cheeseboy:

it just have mythtv installed?

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groOgle:

cheeseboy: The latest version looks quite good.

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groOgle:

cheeseboy: I had lots of difficulty with older versions.

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cheeseboy:

i was thinkin about gettin it cause my ubuntu install is being buggy

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kgbudz:

ooo, i found some interesting settings in mythtvsetup...

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groOgle:

cheeseboy: I was going to try Ubuntu next.

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groOgle:

cheeseboy: But all recent versions of Linux have difficulty with my VIA 890 graphics, and I can't start X with any of them.

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cheeseboy:

ubuntu is good but it wasa pain to install mythtv

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cheeseboy:

try ubuntu server

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cheeseboy:

i think its alot more minimal

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groOgle:

cheeseboy: Ultimately I need to solve my X problems. This is supposed to be a frontend too.

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groOgle:

cheeseboy: So I'll probably put the disk in a different box.

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cheeseboy:

with knopmyth do i setup lirc?

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groOgle:

cheeseboy: Good question. As I say, I don't have the front end running.

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groOgle:

cheeseboy: But it comes with LIRC. You'll still need your own config file, I suppose.

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cheeseboy:

what abouout sound cause i have analog card or somtin

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cheeseboy:

will i have to configure that again?

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groOgle:

cheeseboy: Dunno. Let me tell you tomorrow.

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theBishop:

hi, i have a Motorola 6412 DVR, and i'm trying to capture video from it using Firewire

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ffish:

who's your cable provider?

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theBishop:

comcast

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theBishop:

i've had this working in Windows, but i can't find a gnu/linux solution

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kgbudz:

it should work in mythtv

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kgbudz:

double check that your box is supported

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theBishop:

where?

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kgbudz:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire

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theBishop:

ok thanks

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ferent:

hello, I have a hauppauge pvr350, and I want to see the playstation2 with it, itÂ´s possible?

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tank-man:

you want to play a game?

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ferent:

yes I do

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tank-man:

use the svideo or composite input

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ferent:

and I havenÂ´t got a tv at home

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ferent:

I have conected the ps2 to my pvr350

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tank-man:

you might have some input lag

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nneul:

FYI – I was about to ask about a tz problem, but found a solution that may help others

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nneul:

in my case – I had forgotten to do the update

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tank-man:

slackware 11 + mythtv, no tz problems

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nneul:

but, after fixing it, mythfill would STILL not update the records.

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ferent:

sorry tank-man, I donÂ´t understand, what is imput lag? I'm from spain

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nneul:

took emptying out the program info from the db before it would fix it...

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nneul:

immediately fixed it at that time with no other system changes.

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ferent:

I have the ivtv drivers installed

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ferent:

and I can see the tv

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ferent:

but I don't know how to see the svideo

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tank-man:

push left on the controller, and on screen you character will have a delay before going left, in windows there is a registry setting you can change, i am not sure about ivtv

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ferent:

tank-man: this message is for me?

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tank-man:

yes

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ferent:

... on the controller?

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ferent:

ps2 controller?

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tank-man:

yea

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ferent:

sorry, maybe I don't explain very well

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ferent:

I want to see the ps2 on my pc

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tank-man:

you want to play ps2 games on pc, yes? i know what you mean

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ferent:

yes

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ferent:

but I don't know how to see it

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tank-man:

but the way mythtv works, there is a delay, it records to a file on pc then plays it back

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ferent:

ok, but I don't have configured the svideo chanel in the mythtv

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ferent:

because i don't know how to setup

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tank-man:

in mythtv-setup, setup the svideo input

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ferent:

tank-man: maybe we can do it step by step, ok? I will open mythtv-setup

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ferent:

ok?

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ferent:

sorry, there is a command to see if ivtv can play my svideo?

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ferent:

before test it in mythtv

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tank-man:

in mythtv press c while watching live tv, that might change to svideo

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tank-man:

yes you can change with ivtv tools

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ferent:

do you know how?

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tank-man:

no

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ferent:

ok no problem

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ferent:

i will open my mythtvsetup

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SdamasLPT:

Ok – my myth box is finally in the correct time zone :-) Battle half won.

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ferent:

congrats SdamasLPT

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SdamasLPT:

My myth guide data is off by an hour though – will doing a mythfilldatabase remedy that?

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ferent:

tank-man: I have opened mythtvsetup

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ferent:

next step?

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ferent:

clic on capture-cards

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ferent:

correct?

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ferent:

tank-man?

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kgbudz:

SdamasLPT, ive spent the last 2 hours trying to get my mythbox synced up with the correct time

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kgbudz:

still nothing... :(

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kgbudz:

my box is reporting the correct time w/ DST

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egsavage:

ah, someone else with the same issue as me :-/

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kgbudz:

yup

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egsavage:

my system time is right, but all schedule info is off by 1 hr

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SdamasLPT:

Which version of myth are you gents running?

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kgbudz:

same here

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egsavage:

up until thursday it seems

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kgbudz:

.20

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egsavage:

i have an older version on FC3

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kgbudz:

im starting to think its a myth bug

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egsavage:

gee, i'd have to check

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SdamasLPT:

kgbudz – it's not a myth version then – I'm running .19

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kgbudz:

they might have coded DST inside myth?

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tank-man:

ferent, if you are not recording the ps2 games, why use mythtv

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SdamasLPT:

I'm also running a fairly old build of fedora core

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ferent:

because I haven't goat a tv at home

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kgbudz:

like i even tried to set mythtv to use -0100 xmltv skew

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ferent:

:(

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kgbudz:

it didnt do anything...

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ferent:

got*

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ferent:

I leve alone

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ferent:

live*

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tank-man:

there are other linux programs that display tv input

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tank-man:

with out recording it

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ferent:

aja

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egsavage:

looks like .18.1 for me

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ferent:

do you recomend to me to test another program?

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tank-man:

i think xawtv is one

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ferent:

ok I will test it

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ferent:

thanks tank-man

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egsavage:

strange the problem is only up to thursday though – times after that seem fine in the schedule

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egsavage:

my schedule is always 2 weeks out

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SdamasLPT:

egsavage – let me check my guide data

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tank-man:

problems with dst is not from mythtv, cause it is working for others

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egsavage:

i have an old version too – .18.1 on FC3

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egsavage:

so, i figured i would have to manually update the system time

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egsavage:

but that didn't fix the issue with myth

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SdamasLPT:

egsavage – what was the date in your epg where the problem resolves itself? Thursday March 15th?

[01:33:17]

egsavage:

yes

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egsavage:

i was only looking at 11pm shows to see when the news synced up

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egsavage:

could be earlier than thur 11pm, but i was just looking day by day

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kgbudz:

i just sent an email off to the mythtv user list

[01:35:21]

kgbudz:

maybe someone on there knows a solution

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kgbudz:

to fix our DST problems

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tank-man:

update your tz data from your distro

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kgbudz:

already did that

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kgbudz:

my system time is correct

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kgbudz:

and using the correct DST

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kgbudz:

setting

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kgbudz:

Sun Mar 11 21:36:20 EDT 2007

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egsavage:

i take that back – ONE channel has the 11pm news on the correct time, the others do NOT

[01:36:41]

egsavage:

this is crazy

[01:36:56]

egsavage:

so, it is totally wacked

[01:37:13]

kgbudz:

the fact that 3 people in here are having a similar issue

[01:37:16]

egsavage:

maybe its time for me to upgrade everything now since its hosed anyway

[01:37:19]

kgbudz:

something is not right...

[01:37:38]

egsavage:

tank-man – i'll check that

[01:38:01]

kgbudz:

egsavage, type date

[01:38:05]

kgbudz:

what does it say

[01:38:37]

egsavage:

well, the time WAS right

[01:38:45]

kgbudz:

what timezone?

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egsavage:

i guess my nntp grabbed the time and its bad again

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kgbudz:

paste it...

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egsavage:

it's EST – in other words, bad

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kgbudz:

ok

[01:39:26]

kgbudz:

to fix that, i did: yum update tzdata

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egsavage:

k, thx

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kgbudz:

then go into system-config-date

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kgbudz:

and set/reset the zone

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egsavage:

k, let me get to the console

[01:41:42]

egsavage:

that fixed the sys time

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egsavage:

let me check the guide

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kgbudz:

do a mythfilldatabase --refresh-all

[01:42:07]

egsavage:

aha, that fixed it!

[01:42:11]

kgbudz:

shit...

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egsavage:

ok, i'll reload the DB too

[01:42:27]

kgbudz:

well, i mean, thats great

[01:42:29]

egsavage:

but it looks good right now too

[01:42:37]

SdamasLPT:

egsavage – I just checked my epg and the data it contains is off by one hour right up until the 25th of March

[01:43:00]

egsavage:

see kgbudz's info above

[01:43:04]

egsavage:

u updated tzdata?

[01:43:27]

SdamasLPT:

Sure – let me give that a go

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tank-man:

if the times are the same, you need to update your distro

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kgbudz:

what does that do?

[01:43:53]

tank-man:

show you the local time at that date

[01:44:43]

kgbudz:

when i ran that, the 2007 time was 1 hour ahead

[01:44:46]

kgbudz:

which seems correct

[01:44:57]

tank-man:

yes, correct

[01:45:45]

egsavage:

guide looks ok now, but recording schedule is still hosed

[01:45:56]

egsavage:

i'll try the mythfilldatabase --refresh-all command

[01:46:04]

kgbudz:

egsavage, i had that same exact issue

[01:46:12]

kgbudz:

guide was ok, schedule was off

[01:46:19]

kgbudz:

i messed with settings

[01:46:21]

kgbudz:

rebooted

[01:46:32]

kgbudz:

now both my guide and schedule are off by an hour

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SdamasLPT:

Ran both date commands as per the above and they reported back with different values

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tank-man:

ok, your distro is upto date then

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SdamasLPT:

It's funny – half of my brain is trying to fix this issue and the other half is freaked at the thought of having to go back to watching LIVE TV until the issue is resolved :-)

[01:50:40]

fryfrog:

BLECH LIVE TV!

[01:52:22]

fryfrog:

man, the "never record" and "don't record" buttons on the upcoming episodes page of mythweb need to be ajaxified

[01:55:24]

egsavage:

w/o reboot, guide is now right, date returns correct time, but scheduled records are WRONG – off by an hour

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kgbudz:

yup

[01:55:37]

egsavage:

even after a mythtfilldatabase --refresh-today command

[01:55:41]

kgbudz:

yup

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kgbudz:

:(

[01:56:06]

kgbudz:

this is worse than y2k

[01:56:29]

egsavage:

really

[01:56:45]

egsavage:

so are new versions and newer distros fine?

[01:57:00]

SdamasLPT:

Ok – my epg is now correct

[01:57:21]

kgbudz:

SdamasLPT, how about your schedule?

[01:57:23]

egsavage:

what about schedule recordings?

[01:57:26]

kgbudz:

upcoming recordings...

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SdamasLPT:

kgbudz – let me look

[01:58:07]

ffish:

I'm having trouble getting a decent signal for my air2pc card

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ffish:

I've heard I can just plug the cable from my wall into the card directly and I'll get the OTA HD channels ... can anyone confirm/deny this?

[02:01:58]

SdamasLPT:

kgbudz – I checked my upcoming recordings and they mesh with the dates and times of the zap2it website

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SdamasLPT:

(IOW, they match)

[02:02:33]

kgbudz:

well, your all set then

[02:03:15]

egsavage:

i restarted mythbackend and still not fixing the upcoming recording schedule

[02:03:15]

ffish:

and what's the difference between cable-irc and cable-hrc?

[02:03:58]

SdamasLPT:

I basically got FC2's clock set to the correct time then did a mythfilldatabase --refresh-all

[02:04:12]

SdamasLPT:

Then rebooted the pc

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kgbudz:

hmm

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kgbudz:

let me reboot again...

[02:04:57]

kgbudz:

well

[02:05:01]

kgbudz:

i just switch to pre DST time

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kgbudz:

reran mythfilldatabase

[02:05:11]

kgbudz:

and will go back to normal

[02:06:03]

egsavage:

so you're just having the sys time back to EST?

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egsavage:

and everything is good then?

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kgbudz:

well, im trying it

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kgbudz:

to see what happens

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egsavage:

but we already updated tzdata

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kgbudz:

ya

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kgbudz:

like im just trying anything

[02:07:28]

egsavage:

someone is watching something on our myth server now

[02:07:39]

egsavage:

be interested on what you find out

[02:08:22]

Dr_willis:

Bummer.. i did a apt-get update on my knoppmyth box.. and now its missing quite a few of the 'menus' on mythfront end.

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Vashie:

Ok I've figured out my problem, now I dont know how to fix it... anyone good with regex?

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kgbudz:

yup

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kgbudz:

im good with regex

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Vashie:

my starttime output is screwed... its leaving out the sep for the las two digits... output is 2007-02-15-19–5900

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kgbudz:

?

[02:11:10]

Vashie:

and it needs to be 2007-02-15-19-59–00 (I think)

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SdamasLPT:

Thanks for your help guys – best of luck!

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Vashie:

the parser is on line 5 of http://pastebin.com/897258

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kgbudz:

i dunno how to fix that with regex

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kgbudz:

i would use awk...

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kgbudz:

unless the last 2 digits are always 00

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Vashie:

I think it should be.. its the start second

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Vashie:

lemme check

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Vashie:

looks to be

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tank-man:

you can do all that script does with the mythtv gui Vashie

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tank-man:

flag commercials, cut out commercials

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planktonboy:

could someone tell me how I can remove 3 recorded program entries which I have removed but I can still see the entries in CD/DVD – Archive Files – Find Files to Archive – Select Recordings

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planktonboy:

but they are gone from all other lists in mythtv

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planktonboy:

would that mean editing the database

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kgbudz:

Vashie, use awk

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kgbudz:

to put the dash in

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kgbudz:

i just rebooted, nothing...

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Vashie:

hmm gotta figure out how awk works

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ffish:

if I plug my air2pc card into the wall jack, how do I get myth to find the channels?

[02:18:48]

ffish:

or does myth not implement this functionality?

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egsavage:

kgbudz: sorry to hear that :-(

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egsavage:

maybe this will force me to build a new server, new mythtv install, etc.

[02:20:43]

egsavage:

still don't understand how my guide and schedule data are 1 hr out of sync now

[02:21:40]

kgbudz:

i dont understand why my whole mythtv is 1 hour out of sync

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Tanthrix:

I had some weird issues with myth this morning as well.

[02:24:30]

jd86:

i would love it if there was a aim (or irc even) client as a plugin. hmm I wonder if there is already such a thing /me goes to unsupported plugins page

[02:25:45]

kgbudz:

ya, mythtv is f'ed up

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kgbudz:

they really dropped the ball on this DST thing

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kgbudz:

i didnt even know that was possible

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kgbudz:

you supposed to let the os handle the time

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tank-man:

kgbudz, not everyone is having problems

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kgbudz:

but a lot of people are

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jd86:

what is the problem (just joined) so I can check?

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kgbudz:

mythtv is an hour off

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kgbudz:

its using pre DST time

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jd86:

where?

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kgbudz:

do you live in the US?

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jd86:

scheduled recordings?

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jd86:

I do

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kgbudz:

did you update your clocks to the new DST?

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Dr_willis:

Hmm.. dont blame MythTV for the disrtos fault. :)

[02:27:56]

tank-man:

my recordings from today are working

[02:28:04]

jd86:

I've updated gentoo to use correct time zone data, and the times are correct in the system, is there some other problem?

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Dr_willis:

i wonder if you might need to rerun mythfilldatabase

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kgbudz:

haha

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kgbudz:

lets see

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egsavage:

tzdata is updated, my guide/listings are fine, schedule recordings are all off by 1 hr

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kgbudz:

in the past 3 hours ive run mythfilldatabase around 25 times

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Dr_willis:

my listings were blank... :) i goofed up and let it expire

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Dr_willis:

so i dident notice any issues.

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kgbudz:

like my system time is perfect

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Dr_willis:

I did have to install a updated timezone file

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kgbudz:

DST settings are correct, pulling off of ntp correct

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egsavage:

Dr_willis: what about your upcoming recordings? all fine?

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Tanthrix:

kgbudz: After rebooting myth a few times the issue went away. Not after having some really weird issues though. I updated one program's recording settings and suddenly 20 shows I've never added were set to record.

[02:30:04]

Tanthrix:

After rebooting they were all gone.

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Dr_willis:

egsavage, not sure. :) i aint watched any in ages.. so i decided to upgrade my Knoppmyth at this time.

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Tanthrix:

A while back though I improperly backed up and restored my db though so I think I am to blame for that. I'm going to do a fresh install soon.

[02:30:39]

Dr_willis:

egsavage, i think i did an 'apt-get update' and it broke some other parts of mythtv while trying to fix the clock issue.

[02:30:46]

Dr_willis:

so off to R5E50 now!

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planktonboy:

kgbudz I know that a chap called clever was having similar prob earlier and he managed to sort his out, but not sure now but if you see him online then he might be able to help

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clever_:

?

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planktonboy:

ah hi clever

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kgbudz:

ive rebooted twice now...

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planktonboy:

I am sure it was you who had a timezone issue with your setup earlier wasn't it?

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clever_:

i had forced TZ=CST6 on mythtv

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kgbudz:

yes, please tell us anything you did to fix it... :)

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clever_:

which forced it to gmt-6

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kgbudz:

where?

[02:32:24]

clever_:

and because of daylight savings it was nolonger gmt-6

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clever_:

i was setting TZ=CST6 in my bash_profile

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clever_:

and now that we skiped ahead an hour it didnt skip

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clever_:

the default zone for the pc was also right so i just unset TZ

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kgbudz:

i dont seem to have TZ defined...

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clever_:

you probly need to set your timezone properly

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clever_:

the default one then

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tank-man:

i dont have TZ defined

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kgbudz:

i believe my timezone is setup correct

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clever_:

run date

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clever_:

and check its time and compare to a properly set clock

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kgbudz:

Sun Mar 11 22:33:45 EDT 2007

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kgbudz:

its correct

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clever_:

i had date showing 2 diff times between term windows

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clever_:

because the ones as mythtv where in gmt-6

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clever_:

and the others where letting dst effect them

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jd86:

my scheduled stuff looks correct...

[02:35:20]

jd86:

what distro you guys with problems on?

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clever_:

ubuntu

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kgbudz:

all my accounts are showing the correct date/time

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kgbudz:

fc4

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clever_:

i wasnt setting TZ properly but just leaving it out fully fixed it

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egsavage:

fc3 here, myth .18.1

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jd86:

so the ones with actual problems are fc?

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kgbudz:

i dont see how this can be a distro problem...

[02:36:12]

egsavage:

that could be the common point, not sure

[02:36:13]

jd86:

did you update your timezone "stuff" (sorry, I know how to do it in gentoo, not fc)

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clever_:

i think its just a general linux problem

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clever_:

all linux distros deal with time in about the same way

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egsavage:

yeah, updating tzdata fixed my time with ntp

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jd86:

i think different distros are going to deliver stuff and handle stuff differently, but yeah — it is a "linux" thing

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clever_:

the kernel manages the time in seconds since 1970 gmt/utc

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clever_:

then when yuo fetch the time its converted to the zone in TZ

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clever_:

if TZ isnt found then it uses /etc/localtime i think

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egsavage:

i'm rebooting the server now to see if that helps the recording schedule

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clever_:

which is a symlink to the proper zone

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kgbudz:

like how do i set the bios time?

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jd86:

I know i use /etc/localtime, thats what makes the difference with gentoo. Anyway, I guess I can't be of much help

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kgbudz:

i wonder if thats causing this...

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clever_:

if ntp is running you wont need to touch the bios clock

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kgbudz:

right

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kgbudz:

my ntp refreshes every hour

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egsavage:

no, recording sched is still hosed

[02:38:34]

egsavage:

listings/guide is still fine

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clever_:

using ntpdate you can force an update

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clever_:

but ntpd has to be off for that

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egsavage:

i wonder if the recording sched somehow used the tz settings of when the schedule was set

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kgbudz:

i dunno

[02:39:13]

kgbudz:

i was thinking that

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kgbudz:

do you know how to clear it all out?

[02:39:30]

kgbudz:

ive done mythfilldatabase --refresh-all

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kgbudz:

didnt work

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egsavage:

no, wish i could

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clever_:

i think it looks at the rules and the current guide/clock and makes the shedule

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clever_:

at every startup

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clever_:

my rules just list shows and channels to record and it then finds every airing and marks it to record

[02:40:00]

egsavage:

after a mythfilldatabase, you can see it resched stuff in the mythtv event log

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kgbudz:

let me try deleting my cards...

[02:40:07]

egsavage:

but the times are still wrong

[02:40:44]

egsavage:

theory: sched may show the wrong time (old time?) but may still record things at the correct time... ?

[02:40:47]

egsavage:

what do you think?

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clever_:

i had it being 1hour late at recording

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MightyBall:

i accidentally set the time to 7–8 months in the future, and not EVERYTHING is set to 'already recorded'. Is there a way to fix it? :P

[02:41:18]

clever_:

and the time shown by 'date' was off by an hour

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MightyBall:

er, 'not' = 'now'

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egsavage:

i have .18.1 – anyone know how to flush the guide database and reload everything?

[02:45:51]

egsavage:

these options are a bit confusing

[02:46:02]

egsavage:

seems it won't reload some days for me – it skips them

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GreyFoxx:

egsavage: back then you couldn't do a --refresh-all with mythfilldatabase like you can now

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egsavage:

--refresh-all isn't a valid option on mine

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GreyFoxx:

so you have to do it manually in the datrabase

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egsavage:

ah!

[02:46:49]

GreyFoxx:

login to mysql and

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GreyFoxx:

delete from program;

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egsavage:

and only if i remembered my mysql password ;-)

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kgbudz:

let me try that...

[02:47:43]

egsavage:

guess there is some way to reset it as root?

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GreyFoxx:

egsavage: find your mysql.txt, it's in there

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egsavage:

greyfoxx: u happen to know the dir for that file?

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GreyFoxx:

it can vary

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GreyFoxx:

~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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kgbudz:

~/.mythtv

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egsavage:

ah, ok

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kgbudz:

ok, i just deleted my programs

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GreyFoxx:

or if you compiled from source /usr/local/share/mythtv/mysql.txt

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egsavage:

i was down in the mysql install dir

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clever_:

on ubuntu it was /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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kgbudz:

its empty, im running mythfilldatabase...

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clever_:

try 'locate mysql.txt'

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clever_:

read all of them to see which has it

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egsavage:

ok, got the userid and password

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clever_:

mysql -u userid -p

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clever_:

password

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MightyBall:

what causes schedules to be marked 'deactivated'?

[02:54:20]

egsavage:

connected

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kgbudz:

ok, my listings are now gone

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kgbudz:

even after running mythfilldatabase

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egsavage:

don't say that!

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egsavage:

i didn't delete any rows from programs yet, but was about to

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kgbudz:

like i have data in programs now

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GreyFoxx:

ummm huh

[02:59:07]

GreyFoxx:

has mythfilldatabase finished all 12/14 days ?

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Vashie:

barg

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kgbudz:

ok

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ffish:

does anyone have an air2pc card that's plugged into a cable outlet (i.e., not using an antenna)?

[03:04:43]

kgbudz:

good news

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kgbudz:

mythtv is working

[03:04:51]

kgbudz:

and everything is correct

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Vashie:

still trying to get the stupid thing to give me the extra dash.. I dont know regex

[03:04:55]

Vashie:

sweet

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kgbudz:

yup

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kgbudz:

mythweb on the other hand is down

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Vashie:

doh

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Duke:

Hello all, I have the latest mythmusic-0.20–153 from atrpms and I seem to be missing "smart playlists". Has anyone had this problem? Do you know how to get smart playlists working?

[03:05:51]

Vashie:

is apache down or is mythweb not talking to the backend?

[03:06:00]

kgbudz:

well, mythweb doesnt have any listings

[03:06:07]

kgbudz:

let me bounce apache

[03:07:35]

kgbudz:

o well

[03:07:40]

kgbudz:

mythweb not showing listings is ok

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egsavage:

kgbudz, did you drop all rows in the programs table?

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kgbudz:

ya

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kgbudz:

like mythtv is now 100% working and correct

[03:07:59]

egsavage:

maybe a reboot will fix mythweb

[03:08:03]

kgbudz:

ya

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egsavage:

ok, going to 'delete * from programs' (gulp)

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planktonboy:

cool kgbudz

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tank-man:

this isnt windows. reboots dont fix anything :)

[03:09:11]

tank-man:

not most of the time

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kgbudz:

sure they do

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monkeyBox:

How do I get the lirc_dev module on gentoo? I installed lirc, but can't find the lirc_dev module...

[03:09:40]

kgbudz:

saying linux never needs to reboot is assuming all software and services running on them are perfect

[03:09:47]

kgbudz:

which is a pretty bold statement

[03:10:04]

planktonboy:

could someone tell me how I can remove 3 recorded program entries which I have removed but I can still see the entries in CD/DVD – Archive Files – Find Files to Archive – Select Recordings

[03:11:14]

Duke:

sometimes reboots are needed if drivers/kernel-modules are buggy... but user-mode software/services can just be restarted from command line

[03:11:30]

Vashie:

well dont think of it as a reboot, think of it as service restart

[03:11:40]

planktonboy:

the actual recordings have been removed as they were set when I had a crash with my channel 4 problem last week

[03:13:00]

planktonboy:

and they dont show up in any of the other mythtv lists but only in the that Select recordings list above, so I can only assume they havent been removed from the mysql database properly

[03:13:47]

planktonboy:

just trying to read about editing mysql now but dont want to mess it all up..Ive done a database backup so far

[03:14:44]

egsavage:

myth db is filling up

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kgbudz:

i wonder why mythweb isnt showing my listings...

[03:17:27]

kgbudz:

this whole problem might have just been mythweb showing me incorrect stuff...

[03:18:55]

egsavage:

deleting all of program and refilling the db fixed it

[03:19:00]

egsavage:

even mythweb is happy

[03:19:09]

egsavage:

didn't even have to reboot

[03:19:36]

egsavage:

no, i think it was really wrong

[03:19:51]

egsavage:

things look right on both the regular UI and mythweb now

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kgbudz:

ya, im good except mythweb listings now

[03:20:53]

egsavage:

maybe its cached or something

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egsavage:

my mythweb is fine

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kgbudz:

ya, i dunno

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egsavage:

thanks everyone! I'll upgrade, sometime when i can find some free time, but for now, i think i'm good

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CyberKnet3:

GreyFoxx... around?

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Vashie:

man I just dont get this crap

[03:38:19]

Vashie:

welcome to greek thy name is regex

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Dr_willis:

that book 'using regular expressions' is very well worth reading. :)

[03:38:44]

Dr_willis:

but i rarely actually use them heh

[03:38:56]

CyberKnet:

anyone using a Niveus Media remote on FC5+?

[03:39:25]

Vashie:

heh

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Vashie:

one more "-" and I'm home free

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Dr_willis:

i recall some tool that let you test/visualize/see/build regrexp's

[03:40:15]

Dr_willis:

I cheat and use that kderename tool :) under windows i had a similer tool called bulkrenamer or somtning

[03:40:25]

Dr_willis:

it could do regrex's or simpiler patten maching/replacement

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Vashie:

you would think that someone at some point in the wiki would have to break out starttime into yyyy-mm-dd-hh-mm-ss

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CyberKnet:

Dr_willis: I use regexlib to test a lot of regexes

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CyberKnet:

www.regexlib.com ... that is

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monkeyBox:

Does anyone know how to make LIRC compile the lirc_dev module? I'm using gentoo and it's not building the module for me

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clever_:

it took me weeks just to get it to compile

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clever_:

this got it working in the end

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clever_:

$ ./configure --with-transmitter --with-driver=serial --with-port=0x3f8 --with-irq=4

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clever_:

you may need to tweak the args to get it to match your case

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planktonboy:

is phpmyadmin worth installing on my mythtv pc

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planktonboy:

in order to edit mysql alot easier I read that there is a program called phpmydmin

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Dr_willis:

heh – ive never needed to edit mysql.

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Dr_willis:

:()

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planktonboy:

yeah my first time I've needed to

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planktonboy:

but cant seem to figure out how to locate some entries that need removing

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planktonboy:

and dont want to bugger it all up

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knowledgejunkie:

planktonboy: I'd recommend it

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planktonboy:

thanks knowledgejunkie

[04:01:02]

planktonboy:

I'll give it a try then

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onewheelskyward:

plankton: If you do any db maintenance, phpmyadmin will save you a lot of time and typing.

[04:02:59]

onewheelskyward:

It can also help you learn about myth's DB by browsing the tables and data.

[04:03:00]

planktonboy:

yeah

[04:03:07]

planktonboy:

thanks

[04:03:27]

knowledgejunkie:

planktonboy: just be careful what you click :)

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onewheelskyward:

planktonboy: I highly recommend a table backup before making edits. That way you have a way out. phpmyadmin has a facility for that.

[04:03:46]

planktonboy:

yes I was just having a quick look in the db by manual commands and it seems a bit daunting at first

[04:03:59]

planktonboy:

ok

[04:04:17]

planktonboy:

yeah Ive done a backup already ...

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planktonboy:

made those mistakes in the past and def learnt from them

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planktonboy:

well...most of the time :)

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planktonboy:

installing now

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onewheelskyward:

Good for you. For the learning bit. :)

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planktonboy:

its kind of fun

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planktonboy:

but can be frustrating sometimes , especially when you want things to work straightaway

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planktonboy:

LOL

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onewheelskyward:

Oh heck yeah

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onewheelskyward:

But then you have that feeling of pride when the job is done well.

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planktonboy:

yes def

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planktonboy:

Like when some IT friends of mine came over just after I'd finished building this mythbox

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planktonboy:

they were like...wow man this is soo cool

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planktonboy:

only prob is I never seem to sleep anymore

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planktonboy:

its 4 15 already

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planktonboy:

rest of UK is asleep

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knowledgejunkie:

planktonboy: almost :)

[04:17:31]

planktonboy:

been sleeping at like 6am for nearly a month now

[04:17:35]

planktonboy:

LOL

[04:17:41]

planktonboy:

you in UK too

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knowledgejunkie:

planktonboy: yes

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Magni:

I see there isa LogBot .. are the logs public?

[04:18:15]

planktonboy:

haha

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onewheelskyward:

Ohyeah. once you get on that schedule it's hard to go back.

[04:19:02]

planktonboy:

nice to see someone else who thinks alike :)

[04:19:07]

planktonboy:

def

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Magni:

nm Found them

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planktonboy:

I often hear the next door neighbour going to work as I go to bed

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planktonboy:

haha

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tank-man:

you have the same sleep pattern as drug addicts and gamblers

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tank-man:

congrats

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onewheelskyward:

Well that's reassuring.

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planktonboy:

yup

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planktonboy:

used to be one

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planktonboy:

:)

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planktonboy:

now Im just an anddict and I leave all the gambling to the gf

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planktonboy:

addict even

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planktonboy:

just gotta reboot this pc...brb

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onewheelskyward:

Someone's having fun.

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** CyberKnet throws a giant rock at his fedora box **

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planktonboy:

back

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CyberKnet:

if only it could be easier to get old kernel sources installed

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CyberKnet:

missing module.Symvers file :|

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CyberKnet:

as long as you are using the latest & greatest kernel, its easy to get the kernel sources via yum

[04:46:27]

onewheelskyward:

Would anyone mind sending a onewheelskyward: line of channel text? I want to see how kvirc handles it.

[04:46:48]

CyberKnet:

yum install kernel-devel .... but if you are trying to get the source for an old kernel installed with the intent of building a module for it ... gah!

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Magni:

CyberKnet: Can you not grab the .rpm from a mirror and install it yourself?

[04:48:31]

CyberKnet:

Magni: indeed, I have

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Magni:

onewheelskyward: nup

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CyberKnet:

Magni: But I'm missing module.Symvers

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CyberKnet:

and I am not sure exactly how to go about getting/generating that file

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Magni:

CyberKnet: so the .rpm installed but somethign else wants the module.Symvers

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onewheelskyward:

Magni: Thx. You're a brilliant shade of orange.

[04:49:50]

Magni:

onewheelskyward: wonderful!

[04:50:36]

Magni:

CyberKnet: how old is the kernel you're installing?

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CyberKnet:

2.6.18

[04:52:31]

CyberKnet:

Right now I just did a make modules in the vain hope that it might generate this file and actually be compatible with the installed kernel.

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CyberKnet:

Magni: same problem, no solution.

[04:55:39]

Magni:

CyberKnet: so you've installed a kernel-source type package and you're missing the module.Symvers? Can't you also install the matching kernel to get it? Or build the whole kernel?

[04:56:28]

Magni:

CyberKnet: I really thought that module.Symvers has been made obsolete, but I'm probably wrong.

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CyberKnet:

I'm running the matching kernel

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Magni:

CyberKnet: rats.

[04:58:38]

kusznir_:

Hi all: I need to apply the zoneinfo patch to one of my myth systems, and I've been told that in order to get the guide to update correctly, I'll have to flush the guide db and re-import all my guide data. That didn't sound right to me, is it?

[04:58:51]

CyberKnet:

Magni: I'm hoping building the modules will also buil the file

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kusznir_:

(err...all this is because of the early daylight savings time...)

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Magni:

CyberKnet: nup no reference there either.

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CyberKnet:

building the modules may take a loooong time though since hte default fedora config includes every single one.

[05:01:52]

doje:

the only DST thing i noticed was a 1 hour block of "missing time" last night in the guide data; seems to be fine now with no intervention on my part

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onewheelskyward:

It's nice when things just work.

[05:02:55]

doje:

or "fix themselves" :)

[05:02:59]

tank-man:

no dst problems with slackware 11

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onewheelskyward:

heh, true.

[05:03:51]

kusznir_:

if the myth system did NOT automatically switch to DST (because it still believed DST doesn't start until April 1), and you replace the zoneinfo data now (after the DST cutover) and reboot / restart mythbackend, will it "just work"?

[05:03:52]

doje:

I should probably mention the front/back ends are suse and already had the dst patch

[05:04:03]

kusznir_:

(or does mythbackend need to be running when DST kicks in?)

[05:05:25]

CyberKnet:

Magni: hmmm

[05:06:02]

onewheelskyward:

zoneinfo? As in the system time zone?

[05:09:51]

CyberKnet:

Hmmm... well, I got the driver to build

[05:10:02]

CyberKnet:

and insmod'ed it, but it appears the driver is out of date anyway :|

[05:10:10]

CyberKnet:

and is not going to work without some effort

[05:10:16]

charlieS_:

kusznir_: correct, it uses the system time.

[05:15:16]

kusznir_:

charlieS_: Umm...I don't think I understand...I know mythbackend uses the system time, but will it adapt to the new timezone (aka adjust the program start/end times) without being online during the time change? (For example, I've noticed that linux itself often fails to adjust the clock correctly if it wasn't on during the time change)

[05:15:45]

kusznir_:

My big consern here is will it adapt to the fact that its listings are now GMT-7 rather than GMT-8?

[05:17:49]

Magni:

CyberKnet: drat. I assume it's the driver for a tuner card.

[05:18:07]

CyberKnet:

Magni: Nope, driver for the remote

[05:18:13]

CyberKnet:

Niveus PC Remote

[05:18:21]

CyberKnet:

similar to the ATI remote

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CyberKnet:

uses a modified ati_remote driver

[05:19:07]

CyberKnet:

I was hoping not to have to diff the new ati_remote.c and the old one that I got from GreyFoxx that worked with the niveus remote

[05:19:10]

CyberKnet:

but I might have to.

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CyberKnet:

unless GreyFoxx has an updated version that calls input_allocate_device instead of input_register_device

[05:21:41]

Magni:

CyberKnet: Ah, well good luck.

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charlieS_:

kusznir_: yes, it will work. yum/apt/whatever update tzdata and reboot.

[05:22:52]

charlieS_:

it looks at the current date and says "oh, we're in DST"

[05:23:19]

CyberKnet:

Magi: Yes. much more luck needed :)

[05:23:23]

charlieS_:

if what you described is true, you could only install new systems when DST wasn't in effect :P

[05:24:06]

Magni:

CyberKnet: this is lirc_atiusb.ko ?

[05:24:29]

Magni:

CyberKnet: I have no realidea what I'm talkign about just googleing along ;P

[05:24:54]

charlieS_:

what's this ati remote?

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planktonboy:

yup that fixed it

[05:28:16]

planktonboy:

thanks onewheelskyward and knowledgejunkie

[05:28:24]

planktonboy:

anyways time for bed

[05:28:31]

charlieS_:

kusznir_: oh, you must not be using NTP. Sorry.. I just assume everyone is :)

[05:28:37]

planktonboy:

cyas tomorrow

[05:28:59]

kusznir_:

I am using NTP. The clock is set correctly, but now my guide shows all the shows starting an hour earlier.

[05:29:34]

onewheelskyward:

planktonboy: No problem. Have a good two hour nap. :)

[05:30:27]

charlieS_:

kusznir_: have you restarted mythbackend? that's weird.. I didn't have any problems.

[05:31:43]

planktonboy:

haha yes I will

[05:31:46]

planktonboy:

LOL

[05:31:50]

planktonboy:

cya :)))

[05:31:55]

kusznir_:

I just did a full reboot, and everything is still up.

[05:31:57]

planktonboy:

laler all

[05:32:03]

kusznir_:

still off by an hour.

[05:32:04]

planktonboy:

later even

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charlieS_:

kusznir_: weird :)

[05:32:25]

onewheelskyward:

kusznir_: Is your clock set to GMT by any chance?

[05:32:45]

charlieS_:

maybe your data source is borked.. try running mythfilldatabase?

[05:34:55]

CyberKnet:

argh. I'll work on this tomorrow.

[05:35:06]

CyberKnet:

hopefully Greyfoxx already has an updated driver

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Mattwj2005:

hey guys ;0

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Mattwj2005:

:)

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onewheelskyward:

Hiya.

[05:48:23]

Mattwj2005:

hey onewheel

[05:48:25]

Mattwj2005:

:)

[05:48:51]

onewheelskyward:

You seem to be in a good mood. :)

[05:49:01]

Mattwj2005:

yeah it is a good weekend

[05:49:14]

Mattwj2005:

I won't work until Wednesday so I feel good

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onewheelskyward:

What the heck are you doing on IRC? Shouldn't you be heading for the tropics, or something?

[05:49:54]

Mattwj2005:

lol

[05:50:14]

Mattwj2005:

nope....this is actually my short weekend....next weekend i have 4 days off :)

[05:50:40]

onewheelskyward:

ok, now I'm just jealous.

[05:50:52]

Mattwj2005:

I do work 12 hours though

[05:50:59]

onewheelskyward:

I have 2 jobs at the moment. Taking an actual vacation is a bit of a challenge.

[05:51:15]

Mattwj2005:

man that is no good

[05:51:44]

Mattwj2005:

why do you work 2 jobs?

[05:52:19]

onewheelskyward:

Opportunity. I had the chance to pick up some freelance development work, so I took it.

[05:52:32]

Mattwj2005:

that is cool

[05:52:52]

Mattwj2005:

you must be rich with 2 jobs :)

[05:54:06]

onewheelskyward:

Not so much. It's helping pay down my debt. :)

[05:54:19]

onewheelskyward:

And it kills me at tax time.

[05:55:53]

Mattwj2005:

I hear you my friend

[05:56:03]

Mattwj2005:

I have some big student loans

[05:56:12]

Mattwj2005:

a lot of money comes in....a lot of money goes out

[05:56:14]

Mattwj2005:

:S

[05:56:29]

groggy:

Anybody using two DVB cards?

[05:56:36]

groggy:

How does the system find the device names?

[05:57:11]

groggy:

I've added my second one, but mythbackend still tries to open /dev/adapter0/frontend0 for it, and of course fails.

[05:57:28]

** groggy looks at himself. **

[05:57:30]

groggy:

Argh.

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grOogle:

onewheelskyward: The system has the assignments just fine.

[05:58:41]

grOogle:

onewheelskyward: tzap finds both of them and can talk to them.

[05:58:54]

grOogle:

onewheelskyward: But mythbackend tries to open /dev/adapter0/... both times.

[05:59:07]

Mattwj2005:

I wish I could help....I have never tried two tuners

[05:59:16]

Mattwj2005:

two HDTV tuners

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grOogle:

Mattwj2005: I'll come back later with questions about the third tuner (analogue :-)

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onewheelskyward:

That shouldn't be.

[06:04:13]

onewheelskyward:

I've never tried HD either, unfortunately. Are you sure it isn't a problem that occured during mythtv-setup?

[06:04:40]

grOogle:

onewheelskyward: No.

[06:05:04]

Magni:

grOogle: don't you just set the card# in the new capture card setup?

[06:05:07]

grOogle:

onewheelskyward: mythtv-setup seems to have a bug, or at least a documentation problem.

[06:05:22]

grOogle:

Magni: First time through it shows different options from later.

[06:05:47]

onewheelskyward:

hmm...so the question is, where does myth store the dev information?

[06:05:47]

grOogle:

Magni: I've looked in the database (capturecard table) and can't work out where it is getting the information from.

[06:05:53]

grOogle:

onewheelskyward: Exactly.

[06:06:36]

Magni:

grOogle: videodevice?

[06:06:44]

grOogle:

I've run mytbbackend with strace, and it opens /dev/devb/adaptor0/frontend0.

[06:07:13]

grOogle:

Magni: Yes, that's the column.

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Mattwj2005:

sounds good grOogle

[06:08:50]

grOogle:

Mattwj2005: Looks good, but doesn't work :-(

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Mattwj2005:

what is it doing or not doing?

[06:10:11]

grOogle:

Mattwj2005: It's trying to open the same capture card twice, and failing on the second one.

[06:10:36]

Magni:

grOogle: Can you deleet the seconds device and try again? You mentioned that the second time though it showed you different options?

[06:11:06]

grOogle:

Magni: I've tried several times.

[06:11:18]

grOogle:

Magni: But I don't trust mythtv-setup further than I can throw it.

[06:11:37]

grOogle:

Magni: So I'm looking at the database to see where it's getting this info from.

[06:11:47]

Magni:

grOogle: okay.

[06:12:07]

Mattwj2005:

no idea on how to use the database for this

[06:12:08]

grOogle:

Magni: I'll try mythtv-etup one more time. The 15th might be lucky :-(

[06:12:13]

Mattwj2005:

I use mythtv-setup :)

[06:13:11]

Magni:

grOogle: and setting videodevice or dvb_hw_decoder to 1 in the DB doesn't help? (I knwo poking random values into the DB isn't the best way to locate the "right" way to fix things)

[06:13:50]

grOogle:

Magni: Well, videodevice is a red herring, since it's a completely different name.

[06:13:57]

clever_:

Magni: that reminds me of the poke function in c64 basic

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grOogle:

Magni: And I tried dvb_hw_decoder, with no luck.

[06:14:07]

clever_:

used to directly set any byte in the ram

[06:14:14]

grOogle:

OK, in mythtv-setup.

[06:14:26]

clever_:

with enough pokes you can load machine language code into a section of ram for use

[06:14:28]

grOogle:

Card number 1

[06:14:50]

clever_:

you just need to memorize the decimal values of the opcodes/assembly

[06:15:07]

clever_:

and be able to convert assembly to a string of decimal numbers in your head

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Magni:

grOogle: Well that look right.

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grOogle:

OK, now have another entry for the second card. It's the same as the first excapt for cardid and videodevice, which is 1.

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Magni:

grOogle: and when you try to setup the video source it's not there?

[06:17:47]

grOogle:

Magni: No, it looks like the 15th time was lucky :-)

[06:17:54]

Magni:

grOogle: woot!

[06:18:02]

grOogle:

Encoder 1 is local on cvr2 and is not recording.

[06:18:02]

grOogle:

Encoder 4 is local on cvr2 and is not recording.

[06:18:14]

Magni:

grOogle: double woot!

[06:18:19]

clever_:

:(

[06:18:20]

grOogle:

Magni: My best bet is that the code defaults to 0 if the name is wrong.

[06:18:23]

clever_:

i only have 1 encoder:P

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grOogle:

clever_: Be happy.

[06:18:51]

clever_:

my encoder can bearly encode intact video on 1.6ghz

[06:18:55]

clever_:

damn framegrabber

[06:19:08]

grOogle:

clever_: Where are you located?

[06:19:11]

Magni:

well now that grOogle has hsi second card workign I can head home :)

[06:19:12]

clever_:

canada

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grOogle:

Encoder 1 is local on cvr2 and is recording: 'Seven News at 4.30' on 7 Digital. This recording will end at 17:00.

[06:19:58]

grOogle:

Encoder 4 is local on cvr2 and is recording: 'National Nine Afternoon News' on NINE HD. This recording will end at 17:00.

[06:20:00]

grOogle:

Ahh!

[06:20:16]

grOogle:

Magni: Thanks for the encouragement.

[06:20:18]

clever_:

lol

[06:20:21]

clever_:

if i just try to encode and watch at once

[06:20:25]

clever_:

the recording gets corupt

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clever_:

even ifits a mplayer using 5% cpu

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grOogle:

clever_: DVB is much lighter on processors, because it doesn't need to convert.

[06:20:48]

clever_:

i know

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Magni:

grOogle: np. I'm glad "try again, it really should be there"

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clever_:

and my only card is a bt848 i got from my uncle a fea years ago

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Magni:

helped :)

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Magni:

bye all

[06:21:18]

** grOogle waves. **

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clever_:

i need a card with onboard encoding

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clever_:

my dad refuses to even try to use mythtv because of the quality/sync/complexity problems

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** grOogle has a Hauppauge PVR 250 floating around. **

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onewheelskyward:

Yeah and you have a whole lot of translations happening there.

[06:29:10]

grOogle:

clever_: Heh. Here 1080i runs about about 7 GB an hour.

[06:29:15]

onewheelskyward:

and one bad mpeg4 transcode can ruin the entire thing.

[06:29:30]

clever_:

mpeg4 encoding from the card

[06:29:34]

clever_:

if the encode is too slow

[06:29:38]

clever_:

the buffers overflow

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clever_:

and the audio/vid gets scrambled

[06:29:52]

clever_:

sometimes the entire file

[06:30:04]

clever_:

rtjpeg crashes alot less often

[06:30:08]

clever_:

but eats 5gig/hour

[06:30:45]

clever_:

mpeg4 can stream over wifi

[06:31:01]

clever_:

rtjpeg lessens the cpu enough that i can watch and record at once on the same box

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juski:

morning

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onewheelskyward:

G'mornin!

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onewheelskyward:

What part of the EU are you in, juski?

[06:37:21]

juski:

UK

[06:37:45]

juski:

up & about quite early, planning to be at work soon

[06:38:14]

juski:

just as soon as I finish my kwup of kwawfee

[06:38:57]

onewheelskyward:

I wuv my kwups of kwaawfee.

[06:39:09]

onewheelskyward:

My day is just ending, here in PDT.

[06:39:46]

juski:

are you sure? are your clocks right? ;)

[06:40:36]

onewheelskyward:

No, I'm really not. It's dark now, so I'll go to bed soon. If it's light when I wake up, I'll get out of bed and start sending emails. Whenever they get replied to, my day has begun.

[06:40:43]

grOogle:

Berkeley Sun Mar 11 23:40:28 PDT 2007

[06:40:59]

onewheelskyward:

Portland, here.

[06:41:13]

grOogle:

onewheelskyward: Time should be the same.

[06:42:08]

onewheelskyward:

Should be. :) I read it as 1173631320.

[06:45:31]

juski:

well, busy day ahead...

[06:45:47]

juski:

and I'm gonna migrate two partitions to xfs today

[06:45:55]

juski:

back in a bit...

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onewheelskyward:

later man...good luck.

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juski:

re

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juski:

hm not a bad journey time for a Monday

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onewheelskyward:

54 mins, not too shabby. Apparently I don't have anything better to do tonight than time math. :)

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juski:

I need to tidy up my /media partition before rsyncing it ... just for a cleaner job

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onewheelskyward:

Good luck with that. I finish the job, but rare is the one that's done right. :)

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juski:

hahaha anyone wanting a touchscreen friendly media player might wanna have a look at pycar

[08:36:48]

onewheelskyward:

that's funny. Media player interface + VW logo = car based software

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juski:

mornin rsdvd

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rsdvd:

morny

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rsdvd:

how are you today?

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juski:

v. good

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rsdvd:

good!

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juski:

I think I left the channel last night in time to miss some proper head-doing-in

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juski:

hows you anyhow? got that minimyth finished yet?

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rsdvd:

ouch!

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rsdvd:

how did it die?

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rsdvd:

I am knackered – spent the weekend workign in the garden – fitting outside electrics and CCTV etc :-(

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juski:

how did it die? no idea. these prototypes are crapping their pants all the time

[08:46:53]

juski:

something tells me that maybe mounting the jffs partition rw is a bad idea for this software ;)

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Dibblah:

juski: They send em back.

[08:59:21]

Dibblah:

juski: Any reason you were interested in the Sky Gnome protocol stuff?

[08:59:40]

juski:

huh?

[09:00:03]

juski:

don't remember ever saying that

[09:00:43]

juski:

rsdvd_: you know you were in the market for a hd-capable thingy? this un does h.264 HD : http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/01/10/revie . . . edia_centre/

[09:01:15]

Dibblah:

Labeled as "Sky Digibox serial interface"

[09:01:24]

Dibblah:

You commented on it yesterday :)

[09:01:29]

juski:

Dibblah: I was marvelling at a mailing-list posting I saw

[09:02:09]

Dibblah:

What, consise, to the point and helpful?

[09:02:14]

rsdvd_:

juski : that stb looks good – but I want a myth frontend

[09:03:31]

juski:

Dibblah: I was shocked it's even possible

[09:03:43]

Dibblah:

It's not in any real way :(

[09:03:44]

juski:

but then I'd always wondered how the hell that Gnome thing works

[09:03:47]

Dibblah:

Read-only.

[09:04:12]

Dibblah:

There's no "commands" that are available through that interface that have been implemented yet.

[09:04:23]

juski:

so how does that Gnome change channels on the $ky box then?

[09:04:50]

Dibblah:

Don't know. But the source only has read stuff.

[09:10:04]

Dibblah:

Ah. It does it through rf2.

[09:10:14]

rsdvd_:

juski : the gnome connects tot he rf2 – just like a mgaic eye

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rsdvd_:

damn – everyone ia quiker than me today

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Ruleke:

gday

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juski:

rf2 huh? eeew messy

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Merlin83b:

juski: Do you ever update minimyth to beyond what it's built with to SVN?

[09:43:28]

rsdvd_:

juski : rf2 works fine here :-) I have a serial-> rf2 adapter.....works most of the time

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juski:

Merlin83b: nah I only ever use the -fixes ones

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juski:

and I can

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juski:

I can't build it myself :((

[09:52:29]

juski:

rsdvd_: that serial cable thing will be handy for you when $ky renumber their channels

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Ruleke:

bbl

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rsdvd_:

they are bit rebumbering again for a while – or are they?

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juski:

rebumbering? prolly

[09:54:06]

juski:

you never kow with them, the evil bastards

[09:54:08]

juski:

*know

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rsdvd_:

the serial device is the same principal as the irblaster......so no more/less work than a blaster user

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** juski goes back to tarring his cd singles up **

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rsdvd_:

:-) you working hard then

[09:57:25]

juski:

multi-tasking :)

[09:57:35]

rsdvd_:

:-)

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nbags:

why is mythtv so goddamn slow. what can i do to make it faster? (besides buying faster hardware, this is already a core 2 duo!) just navigating the menus takes forever

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juski:

nbags: runs just fine on a 1ghz box

[10:02:09]

juski:

runs just fine on a 800mhz box

[10:02:23]

juski:

runs like a piece of steaming poo on an xbox

[10:02:32]

juski:

32MB ram isn't enough!

[10:02:39]

rsdvd_:

runs ok on a 733mhz celeron

[10:02:55]

juski:

nbags: your box is obviously retarted somehow

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nbags:

juski, i assure you it isn't. myth is the only thing that runs slow on it. e.g. if i press 'esc' on the main menu, and it says 'do you want to quit', if i choose 'no' it takes like 10 seconds to get back to the main menu

[10:04:21]

juski:

so?

[10:04:33]

juski:

that isn't what you said

[10:04:34]

nbags:

entering 'watch recordings' takes about 7 seconds

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juski:

not here

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juski:

something on your box isn't right I'm telling you

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rsdvd_:

depends how many recording you have and where they are mounted.......it generates previews etc

[10:05:15]

juski:

it shouldn't be *that* slow

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Dibblah:

nbags: That's probably mysql queries that are taking the time there.

[10:05:35]

nbags:

hmmmmm ... it was this slow before on my athlon xp 2200, but i thought i'd get a nice speed boost

[10:05:45]

Dibblah:

Depends as said on how many recordings you have.

[10:05:58]

juski:

I have about 400GB worth of recordings & it takes less than a second on my 1ghz frontend

[10:06:04]

Dibblah:

And if you've done any mysql optimisation.

[10:06:22]

nbags:

Dibblah, i think i need to look into whther mysql is slowing it down

[10:06:33]

juski:

if you never run mythfilldatabase, your db won't have had any housekeeping done on it

[10:06:45]

nbags:

juski, i run it often

[10:06:46]

nbags:

daily

[10:06:59]

juski:

how many recordings do you have?

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rsdvd_:

nbags : have you actually reead the wiki – there are several tips on increasing speed (db optimaze etc)

[10:07:28]

nbags:

rsdvd_, thanks

[10:07:29]

juski:

rsdvd_: nobody expects to have to READ anything you silly man. it should just worky! or they'll whine

[10:07:30]

nbags:

juski, about 50

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rsdvd_:

:-)

[10:07:52]

juski:

well, about 50 shouldn't take long to access

[10:08:13]

nbags:

juski, and a bunch of old ones that are in the list but the files don't exist. how can i remove them? should i delete rows from the database?

[10:08:19]

juski:

I've got a lot more than that & it doesn't take my frontend that long to enter 'watch recordings'

[10:08:26]

rsdvd_:

lol! there is your problem

[10:08:33]

nbags:

actually i can delete them from the frontend

[10:08:38]

rsdvd_:

if the files are missing it will try to find them each time

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juski:

nbags: make 0 byte files with the touch command. look in the logs to find out which files are missing

[10:08:49]

juski:

then find out why the files are missing

[10:08:52]

juski:

and like I said

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nbags:

but it would be nice if i could automatically delete all the missing ones

[10:09:01]

juski:

SOMETHING ON YOUR BOX IS RETARDED :)

[10:09:15]

nbags:

juski, why do i want to make 0 byte files?

[10:09:28]

juski:

nbags: so a file exists for the backend to delete

[10:09:38]

Ruleke:

juski: my ears ! err eyes...

[10:09:44]

rsdvd_:

nbags : I woudl not want it to delte missing files – what if it is just on an unmounted disk

[10:10:12]

nbags:

rsdvd_, well not 'automatically' but maybe a maintinence script that can do it

[10:10:20]

juski:

maybe a user could do it

[10:10:27]

juski:

because get this – it isn't supposed to happen!

[10:10:29]

rsdvd_:

there is – check the contrib directory

[10:10:39]

nbags:

i pulled the database in from my old myth box, cause i didn't want to reconfigure it

[10:10:44]

nbags:

thats why files are missing

[10:10:50]

juski:

when you make recordings they're *supposed* to be successful

[10:10:58]

juski:

and you complain? jesus h christ

[10:10:59]

rsdvd_:

so the error then is bwtewwen the keyboard and your chair

[10:11:16]

juski:

one more for my list :)

[10:11:25]

Ruleke:

nbags: you could just transfer everything but the recording tables, it's in the Documentation

[10:12:05]

nbags:

well i'm not here to bitch about myth. its great, even if it is under heavy development and isn't always 100% stable. i just want tips on how to make it perform better

[10:12:58]

Ruleke:

just fyi

[10:13:08]

nbags:

Ruleke, cheers

[10:13:24]

juski:

you're welcome

[10:13:29]

rsdvd_:

check contrib and run the script to clean the db

[10:13:36]

juski:

fucking wanker

[10:13:41]

nbags:

rsdvd_, will try that

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nbags:

thanks guys, i'll see how i go

[10:15:11]

rsdvd_:

nbags – remembered the script name now – myth.rebuilddatabase.pl

[10:15:35]

juski:

well.. who had bets on me lasting til monday?

[10:15:43]

Ruleke:

juski: lasting ?

[10:15:48]

Ruleke:

you quit drinking ?

[10:15:48]

bach_:

why dosen't myth tv use postgres or myslqlite?

[10:16:07]

Ruleke:

bach_: isn't that a FAQ bij now ? :)

[10:16:09]

juski:

bach_: why don't users like you stop whining about mysql?

[10:16:22]

bach_:

i can't danmit

[10:16:39]

juski:

it doesn't use those things because the devs saw fit to use mysql. end of story

[10:17:01]

bach_:

i hate that story

[10:17:10]

juski:

so don't use mythtv – simple!

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bach_:

no, ill just re-write it

[10:17:35]

juski:

the short explanation is – for whatever reason mysql was chosen & now it's too late to change without doing a lot of work

[10:17:38]

juski:

a LOT of work

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juski:

but it's being discussed & investigated

[10:17:56]

bach_:

godsamnit

[10:18:00]

juski:

it's just not possible NOW

[10:18:35]

juski:

feel free to fork myth however you see fit :)

[10:19:02]

bach_:

iill be the beryl of mythtv bitch

[10:19:11]

juski:

heheh you reckon

[10:19:14]

juski:

get to it

[10:19:23]

anykey_:

bach_: why don't you use mysql instead, what so wrong about that piece of software?

[10:19:43]

juski:

anykey_: he just has an irrational fear of it like all the other haters

[10:19:46]

juski:

;)

[10:19:51]

bach_:

no comment

[10:19:57]

juski:

see?

[10:20:04]

Ruleke:

seems the path will be to go for mysql-embedded

[10:20:18]

anykey_:

hah i love that

[10:20:23]

juski:

nobody I've ever talked to about this subject has ever come up with a valid sounding reason

[10:20:28]

juski:

they say "I HATE IT!"

[10:20:43]

Ruleke:

well for pre-5.0 it doesn't do transactions ;)

[10:20:59]

Ruleke:

not talking mythtv now though :P

[10:21:06]

anykey_:

Ruleke: it does, IIRC you can have transactions with the InnoDB in mysql 4.1...

[10:21:25]

Ruleke:

hmm yes

[10:21:41]

Ruleke:

is innodb the default in 4.1 or is it still myISAM ?

[10:21:41]

juski:

anyway even for musql-embedded there's a very long road ahead

[10:21:47]

Ruleke:

yer

[10:21:51]

anykey_:

Ruleke: it is myISAM

[10:21:56]

rsdvd_:

mysql is a great piece of software – i migrated loads of customers from Oracle to mysql (when I worked for a living)

[10:22:06]

Ruleke:

good thing they're now removing the backwards compat crud for 3.something

[10:22:18]

Ruleke:

rsdvd_: eek :P

[10:23:30]

anykey_:

anyway, bach_ if you want to use mythtv right now, you probably need to use mysql too, just "rewriting" the database stuff is not a thing to do in a few hours and likely the devs won't accept your patches until you discussed with them about your plans before...

[10:23:37]

rsdvd_:

Ruleke : our application was Orancle only – and it made about 50% of the licening costs – so I migrated to mysql as an option – and cut costs greatly

[10:23:47]

Ruleke:

ok cool

[10:24:17]

juski:

so bach_ what DO you have against mysql?

[10:25:19]

bach_:

its not noob friendly at all, you have to read a crap load of documentation

[10:25:52]

bach_:

ssetting up a database i like a chore, its not fun for me

[10:25:52]

juski:

I met this kid at lugradio live last year who was very er.. hostile about mysql. he just kept stomping his foot on the ground like he was having a tantrum.

[10:25:54]

Ruleke:

heh

[10:26:04]

Ruleke:

oneliner :)

[10:26:17]

Ruleke:

juski: hehe what was his name

[10:26:29]

juski:

I met some assholes that weekend but he was the only one I wanted to punch

[10:26:35]

rsdvd_:

bach_ : use packaged mysql installs.....and it takes no reading at all!

[10:26:37]

Ruleke:

juski: unlikely to be me or any of my friends as I'm not a kid anymore ;)

[10:26:40]

anykey_:

bach_: sorry, but, what other database do you want to use that is *more* user friendly?

[10:27:05]

juski:

bach_: you have to read docs to install mythtv too – does that make it evil?

[10:27:25]

anykey_:

juski: YES! why use manuals and not asking stupid questions here? :-)

[10:27:25]

bach_:

i just want a universal standered that works out of the box

[10:27:28]

juski:

or use knoppmyth – no db knowhow necessary

[10:27:42]

juski:

or stop whining

[10:27:44]

juski:

or stop whining

[10:27:55]

anykey_:

bach_: then probably mythtv is not a thing for you

[10:28:14]

Ruleke:

or linux

[10:28:16]

juski:

it flies in the face of the brilliant hard work all the devs & community put in

[10:28:24]

bach_:

mythtv is the only thing dominating the market

[10:28:24]

rsdvd_:

!trout juski stop whining

[10:28:24]

** MythLogBot slaps juski with a stop whining trout on behalf of rsdvd_... **

[10:28:25]

Ruleke:

better uninstall that manpage package

[10:28:56]

** juski takes a chainsaw to rsdvd_'s s100 **

[10:29:01]

juski:

muhahahahaha

[10:29:09]

rsdvd_:

[10:29:21]

bach_:

yeah linux,computers,mythtv isent for me. how dumb

[10:29:36]

anykey_:

bach_: it is for you, but you need to read

[10:29:52]

bach_:

just life in general then i guess

[10:30:00]

Ruleke:

thnx anykey I couldn't parse that sentence :)

[10:30:12]

anykey_:

hehe

[10:30:16]

juski:

look you wouldn't get in a car & try to drive if you didn't know how would you?

[10:30:25]

anykey_:

juski: I did :-P

[10:30:38]

anykey_:

now it's broken :-p

[10:30:56]

bach_:

i don't want to make it a hobby of recording televistio. if it just did its job more people would be happy

[10:31:09]

juski:

bach_: once it's done, it's generally done

[10:31:20]

juski:

you can leave a mythtv box alone for years

[10:31:32]

bach_:

its the differnce between 5 min and 5 hours for me

[10:31:38]

juski:

as long as you do your backups & stuff it's low maintenance

[10:31:52]

Ruleke:

bach_: windows MCE, clicky clicky, chain chain, pay pay, happiness

[10:32:03]

anykey_:

i waited for that :D

[10:32:05]

Ruleke:

I suppose

[10:32:06]

juski:

MCE takes longer than 5 mins to install & configure

[10:32:13]

juski:

MediaPortal takes longer than 5 mins to install & configure

[10:32:14]

Ruleke:

I wouldn't know

[10:32:16]

juski:

Freevo takes longer than 5 mins to install & configure

[10:32:17]

Ruleke:

I thought it was clicky

[10:32:28]

Ruleke:

hehe

[10:32:33]

juski:

it's very wizard driven

[10:32:34]

Ruleke:

where's that sarcasm flag

[10:32:39]

rsdvd_:

bach_ ; if you want somthing that requires no maintenance and no 'hobby' time – but a hardware DVR recorder

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Ruleke:

quite

[10:33:22]

bach_:

why when i can use my computer for cheaper?

[10:33:39]

juski:

cheaper != less effort

[10:33:42]

anykey_:

bach_: because you don't want to read

[10:33:46]

juski:

there's a balance thing going on

[10:33:56]

bach_:

iim reading this arnt I?

[10:33:57]

juski:

and get this – you'd prolly still have to RTFM ont he hardware DVR!

[10:34:02]

rsdvd_:

because you are not happy with the allternatives!

[10:34:17]

juski:

anyway welcome to my ignore list

[10:34:27]

Ruleke:

don't feed the trolls

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Ruleke:

there's a threshold crossed there

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bach_:

iim out

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anykey_:

:( he was so funny

[10:39:59]

juski:

maybe I could make an autoignore script

[10:40:10]

juski:

if they mention mysql or ubuntu I never see em

[10:40:15]

anykey_:

lol

[10:40:52]

jduggan_:

http://www.watchagrownmanrot.com <- anyone watch eastenders?

[10:40:54]

jduggan_:

:P

[10:41:21]

juski:

I see it on the telly at home. don't watch it

[10:49:01]

juski:

stuff like Eastenders is how TV got a reputation for being a brain slug :)

[10:50:28]

Ruleke:

I strongly support the brainslug party. Here, have a complimentary brainslug

[10:51:21]

juski:

when is The Simpsons gonna be canned & Futurama brought back?

[10:51:24]

Ruleke:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictiona . . . ies#Futurama

[10:51:25]

Ruleke:

lol

[10:51:34]

Ruleke:

ppl who edit wikipedia have too much time

[10:53:28]

juski:

yeah they should kill some time learnign mysql-fu instead

[10:53:48]

nbags:

'Can't locate MythTV.pm in @INC' what do i need here? (to run contrib scripts?)

[10:53:58]

nbags:

is it in cpan?

[10:54:03]

juski:

nope

[10:54:23]

juski:

you could've just looked in your backend log to find the filenames & manually touched them by now :)

[10:54:36]

nbags:

juski, i already fixed that

[10:54:51]

nbags:

juski, just trying to run the optimize script that the wiki suggests

[10:54:59]

nbags:

do you know the answer to my question?

[10:55:45]

juski:

I've never run into that problem

[10:56:34]

rsdvd_:

nbags : none of my contrib scripts call a module called MythTV.pm......which script are you using?

[10:56:44]

juski:

I was about to say that

[10:56:48]

nbags:

optimize_mythdb.pl

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rsdvd_:

the only package that my version of that calls is DBI

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juski:

you need the DBI perl stuff

[10:57:19]

nbags:

its got a 'use MythTV;' at the top

[10:57:27]

nbags:

juski, i've got that already

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juski:

no it hasn't

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rsdvd_:

nbags – what version of the script are you using?

[10:58:02]

rsdvd_:

# $Date: 2006-08–05 17:51:46 -0400 (Sat, 05 Aug 2006) $

[10:58:02]

rsdvd_:

# $Revision: 10685 $

[10:58:02]

rsdvd_:

# $Author: xris $

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nbags:

rsdvd_, it was cvs from a couple of months back

[10:58:16]

nbags:

@date $Date: 2006-11–11

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juski:

got mine from then & mine doesn't have that USE statement

[10:58:42]

rsdvd_:

well then xris has uipdated it

[11:11:17]

juski:

I dunno where the heck the MythTV.pm is though

[11:11:58]

rsdvd_:

need to ask xrir

[11:15:21]

nbags:

they are under bindings/perl/ in the source

[11:16:10]

Ruleke:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/12663

[11:16:12]

Dibblah:

Perl bindings are not compiled / installed unless you specify them in configure.

[11:16:27]

Dibblah:

--with-bindings=perl or someting.

[11:16:37]

Ruleke:

yer or after that changeset

[11:16:59]

Ruleke:

then they are conpiled/installed by default

[11:17:22]

nbags:

--with-bindings=perl is right

[11:17:39]

nbags:

my distro left them out

[11:19:12]

nbags:

anyone know what --enable-proc-opt does?

[11:20:05]

nbags:

ah, processor specific compilation

[11:20:23]

nbags:

i wouldve thought --cpu --tune --arch would've done that anyway

[11:26:39]

juski:

oh noes! omgoptogomizationifying!

[11:27:11]

jduggan_:

heh

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Dibblah:

Remember, for maximum performance, you need -funroll-loops, -funbouncycastle, -funfunny

[11:37:43]

Beirdo:

WTF?

[11:38:01]

Beirdo:

Solaris 10 requires 512MB RAM to PXE boot an install?

[11:38:04]

Beirdo:

argh

[11:38:38]

Beirdo:

the poor bitch I wanted to try it on has 128M

[11:43:48]

Dibblah:

Network swap? ;)

[11:44:02]

Beirdo:

heh, now that would suck

[11:44:21]

Beirdo:

I might be able to put more memory in, but I don't recall if it has 2 slots or 1

[11:44:26]

Dibblah:

Actually, not as bad as it sounds under certain circumstances.

[11:44:36]

Beirdo:

but that would only get me to 256M

[11:45:20]

Beirdo:

of course, first I need the Solaris 10 x86 media

[11:45:42]

Beirdo:

and I don't feel like downloading it from home, will have to get the wife to snag it at work

[11:47:08]

Beirdo:

hell, they may even have CDs of it... they ARE a Sun partner after all

[11:47:46]

nbags:

gotta love unnecessarily downloading sets of isos

[11:48:23]

Beirdo:

hahahah

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Beirdo:

I already downloaded them at a previous employer

[11:48:43]

Beirdo:

they are sitting on my fileserver

[11:48:50]

Beirdo:

!trout Beirdo

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** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

[11:50:08]

Beirdo:

wonder if I should toy with Hurd too or if that's just a waste of effort

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Beirdo:

OMG, Sol10 uses GRUB on their install media?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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juski:

bloody hell. IT are whining at this dept. for using 20GB HDD space

[12:04:06]

Beirdo:

heh, buy more disks, ya wankers!

[12:04:29]

juski:

"I know storage is cheap, but if we don't keep areas like this maintained then they very quickly get out of control"

[12:05:02]

Beirdo:

is it 20G of porn, or 20G of work-related stuff?

[12:05:16]

rsdvd_:

20G of myth themes ?

[12:05:29]

juski:

some of it used to be my video test dvds

[12:06:52]

juski:

rsdvd_: have you seen the size of neon-wide's tarball?

[12:07:19]

rsdvd_:

no -but I doubt is actually os 20G

[12:07:29]

juski:

less than 5MB :)

[12:07:36]

Beirdo:

hmmmm. this sucks

[12:07:43]

rsdvd_:

:-)

[12:08:21]

Beirdo:

the instructions for creating a Sol10 network install ... expect that you are using Solaris on the network host that has the install images

[12:08:25]

Beirdo:

Go, Sun.

[12:09:04]

juski:

that's umm, gash

[12:09:19]

Beirdo:

at least it seems to

[12:11:33]

juski:

SkyNet Satellite goes into orbit, then this happens! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/12/kamikaze_prius/

[12:11:46]

juski:

can you spell d o o m e d ?

[12:14:19]

Beirdo:

hahah, what a load :)

[12:15:26]

juski:

fun lunchytime reading though :)

[12:15:33]

Beirdo:

aye

[12:15:35]

Beirdo:

:)

[12:15:56]

Beirdo:

I hope 5G is enough for the Sol10 installation server stuff

[12:16:13]

Beirdo:

heh, my nearly terabyte of RAID5 is almost outta space

[12:16:44]

Beirdo:

Free PE / Size 1956 / 30.56 GB

[12:16:45]

Beirdo:

eek

[12:20:02]

juski:

hahahaha one of those 20GBs is mine

[12:20:25]

juski:

hmm I wonder if I can use this as an excuse to get a dvd burner

[12:23:02]

Beirdo:

./setup_install_server: line 1114: bar: command not found

[12:23:04]

Beirdo:

nice

[12:23:05]

jduggan_:

early lunch?

[12:23:11]

Beirdo:

I repeat... Go, Sun

[12:23:34]

juski:

copying the files over to my desktop machine. next thing they'll moan about me slowing downthe network

[12:23:59]

jduggan_:

lol

[12:24:07]

Beirdo:

or if they are anything like we were... they'll complain that you shouldn't use the local drive as they may reimage at any time ;)

[12:26:46]

rsdvd_:

Beirdo : bar not found.......arh! I could not live if I cannot find a bar :-)

[12:27:34]

Beirdo:

this script is definitely meant for Solaris hosts

[12:27:42]

Beirdo:

uses /etc/vfstab, and so on

[12:27:54]

Beirdo:

I can read scripts well enough to do what it's doing though :)

[12:29:03]

juski:

Go Lilly Allen! "You're thinking your kids are gonna grow up quicker because they heard the word f**k than from thinking they should be shoving their t**s in people's faces?"

[12:29:23]

jduggan_:

??

[12:29:26]

jduggan_:

where's that from?

[12:29:43]

juski:

digitalspy

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juski:

I know it's vacuous tat, but sometimes fun to read

[12:33:07]

jduggan_:

ic

[12:33:39]

jduggan_:

well, im having difficulties finding cheap(ish) european flights

[12:33:43]

jduggan_:

for a weekend break

[12:33:46]

jduggan_:

any ideas ?

[12:33:47]

jduggan_:

:p

[12:33:54]

jduggan_:

(off topic i know :P)

[12:34:00]

juski:

book Easyjet, like 6 months ago

[12:34:04]

juski:

:)

[12:37:08]

juski:

digital spy's forums are funny – there's one thread entitled "shut up Robbie & shut up now" which is over 200 pages long. these people have nothing better to do

[12:38:45]

rsdvd_:

juski : I know! these poeple that spend all their time in forums – have they nothign better to do :-)

[12:39:29]

juski:

there we go. my x: drive is now empty. hope the IT gestapo are happy now

[12:40:09]

Beirdo:

they won't be :)

[12:42:10]

juski:

I want to be an IT guy. I'd be much more cruel

[12:42:55]

rsdvd_:

BOFH

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juski:

"I'm Mordak, preventer of Information Services" :)

[12:43:06]

praet:

lo folks

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praet:

hye juski lily was on this weekends snl rerun

[12:43:22]

Beirdo:

grrrrr!

[12:43:32]

juski:

snl?

[12:43:50]

praet:

saturday night live / music act

[12:43:58]

juski:

ah

[12:44:13]

juski:

gawd bless the chav princess, trying to break Mewica

[12:44:51]

praet:

anyone use flac in myth?

[12:48:57]

juski:

I tried it once.

[12:49:10]

juski:

took too long to encode a cd rip

[12:50:06]

praet:

i hate mondays.. 3 days of spam in my email box

[12:50:32]

praet:

i was thinking that myth needs a hosted terminal plugin

[12:50:52]

praet:

with a smart ipput box

[12:50:57]

praet:

*input

[12:51:05]

juski:

why?

[12:51:31]

juski:

that'd be super-remote friendly

[12:51:34]

praet:

i keep finding myself exiting out of myth just to change the ip or some other command

[12:51:36]

juski:

narf!

[12:51:43]

juski:

why?

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planktonboy:

hi all

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planktonboy:

a quick question if I may

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juski:

planktonboy: nope, if you ask permission to ask a question you're not allowed :-P

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planktonboy:

if I am using ssh to connect to my mythtv pc from a laptop and I want to start the mythfrontend so it runs on the mythtv monitor, not on my laptop monitor what command do I need to run from the laptop

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planktonboy:

juski...haha...actually thats 2 questions :)

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juski:

planktonboy: export DISPLAY=:0

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Dagmar:

planktonboy: You just start X normally

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Dagmar:

juski: he wants it to NOT start on the notebook

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juski:

in the ssh session

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planktonboy:

yup

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juski:

anyway I'm gonna fuck off

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juski:

this channel is properly doing my head in today

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praet:

/etc/ssh/sshd_config

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planktonboy:

for example if I do ssh -X then that port forwards to the laptop if I run mythfrontend or anything else for that mateer

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planktonboy:

matter even

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praet:

planktonboy: in that config try changing ForwardX11 to yes

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Beirdo:

and set it as juski said

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planktonboy:

praet yes I have done that

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Dagmar:

STOP

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Dagmar:

You guys need to read what he said again

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Beirdo:

DISPLAY=:0.0 (inside the ssh window) will tell it to run on the local display

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praet:

restarted sshd

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Dagmar:

He wants MythTV to actually run AND DISPLAY on the remote machine

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Beirdo:

Dagmar, you stop :)

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Beirdo:

right

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Dagmar:

You're telling him teh wrong damn instructions

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planktonboy:

Bierdo I will try that

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Beirdo:

so inside the ssh session, use DISPLAY=:0.0

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praet:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I am most definitely NOT, Dagmar

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praet:

5 different answers.. that linux

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planktonboy:

Dagmar, let me just try what Bierdo said , I'll let you know in a sec

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Dagmar:

There's no need to have DISPLAY set to anything

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Beirdo:

uh, yes there is

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Beirdo:

without that X will barf in 90%+ of apps

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Dagmar:

X will set it when he starts it

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Beirdo:

???

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planktonboy:

Bierdo yes it worked

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Beirdo:

he wants to start the frontend, not X (from what he said)

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Dagmar:

To put it more bluntly, I don't have a keyboard on my myth box

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Beirdo:

planktonboy, coolness :)

[12:59:05]

Dagmar:

My myth box is pretty much always in a heavy "under construction" state

[12:59:18]

Dagmar:

I *regularly* start the thing up remotely

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Beirdo:

yes, as do many people, but you weren't actually answering his question :)

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Dagmar:

All that is needed is to unset DISPLAY, and running `startx` and if the stuff is in xinitrc it does the right thing

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Dagmar:

Yes, I was telling him that he just needs to make sure DISPLAY isn't set

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Beirdo:

right... IF you are starting X remotely.

[13:00:09]

planktonboy:

yeah

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Dagmar:

if it is, it's liable to spawn the bloody frontend elsewhere

[13:00:21]

Beirdo:

not if you are starting mythfrontend remotely

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Dagmar:

Beirso: I think it's pretty reasonable to assume that he is also startign X at the same time

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Beirdo:

if you want to remotely start an X app into an X session that already exists, you set DISPLAY to point to that X session

[13:00:59]

Beirdo:

bah

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Dagmar:

I figure if he has X running already, he'd have said so

[13:01:03]

Beirdo:

anyways. :)

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planktonboy:

yes I usually run ssh from my laptop using ssh -X so that when I run certain commands the display comes up on the laptop display

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Beirdo:

it worked for him.

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planktonboy:

but I have been trying to figure out how to get myrthfrontend to run without forwarding it to the laptop for ages

[13:02:51]

planktonboy:

and if I tried to just tunnel with plain ssh, no -X then mythfrontend would error out saying that it could not connect to X server

[13:03:00]

planktonboy:

so that was exactly what I wanted

[13:03:07]

planktonboy:

anyways thanks alot chaps

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Dagmar:

Basically, it's the DISPLAY variable that's been tanking you

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planktonboy:

yes

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planktonboy:

its easy when you know how :)

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Beirdo:

yup, just needed to point at the local display. X can be pretty tricky at times

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planktonboy:

now

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planktonboy:

if I want to run that and then have it so the termainal from the laptop is no longer controlling that task on the mythtv pc, I guess I just need to put an & after DISPLAY=:0.0 mythfrontend

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planktonboy:

let me try that

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Beirdo:

yeah, that should help

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planktonboy:

nope

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Beirdo:

if it still quits, make it DISPLAY=:0.0 nohup mythfrontend &

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praet:

when you exit it kills it

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planktonboy:

yes

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planktonboy:

or if I do CTRL+z then it stops the mythfrontend from running any other commands from itself

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Beirdo:

yeah, nohup it

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planktonboy:

ah

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planktonboy:

that works

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planktonboy:

says missing operand...but works anyway

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Dagmar:

Easier to have mythfrontend being started from within .xinitc of the user you're logging in as, IMHO

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Dagmar:

...but then I am also running the thing under screen so I can come back to it and easily see what's going on

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Beirdo:

yeah, but then you need to kill and restart X just because the frontend scuppered

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Dagmar:

That doesn't much bother me since it only entails typing ^C and then up-arrow, enter to restart

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Dagmar:

yes, I have lazy down to the science of least keystrokes necessary on this

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planktonboy:

still need to learn these commands I guess

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Dagmar:

Something to do with having to re-kick the thing to see theme changes

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Dagmar:

Do it about 40 times in one night and see if you dont' get lazy about it

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planktonboy:

I looked for ages for that. There are loads of pages on ssh and how to start the mythfrontend from another pc via ssh but couldnt find any info on running it on its own display from an ssh tunnel

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Beirdo:

you can still hit up arrow, enter if your last line was "DISPLAY=:0.0 nohup mythfrontend &" now couldn't you?

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Beirdo:

heh

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Dagmar:

especially when my last command was `startx1

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Dagmar:

minus the 1

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Ruleke:

:)

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Dagmar:

I dont' care for nohup missing stderr tho

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Dagmar:

When I last used it it only captured stdout

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Beirdo:

not last I looked

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Beirdo:

and if so, you can always redirect stderr anyways

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planktonboy:

when I do that it writes a file in the home/mythtv dir called nohup.out

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Beirdo:

yup

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Dagmar:

yeah that's what it does with the output of your commands

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planktonboy:

ok

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Dagmar:

so if you leave it like thta indefinitely it'll be a disk consumption issue to keep in mind

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planktonboy:

and its just a temp file I take

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Dagmar:

Well, it's a _file_

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Beirdo:

which is why I often do nohup blah 2>&1 >/dev/null

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planktonboy:

right

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Beirdo:

or is it > /dev/null 2&>1

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Beirdo:

I can never remember the correct order :)

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Dagmar:

I *think* it was right the first time

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Dagmar:

It would help if bash's manpage had some clear docs on how it's io redirection is parsed

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Beirdo:

I think so too :) But I'm never quite sure

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Beirdo:

until I try it and go "dammit, wrong again"

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Beirdo:

heh

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planktonboy:

ah yes..Ive read some on that before

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planktonboy:

i will refer to my running linux book again and see what that is

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Beirdo:

well, it tells it to redirect stderr to stdout... then redirect stdout (with stderr) to the null device

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planktonboy:

ah

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Beirdo:

so instead of writing nohup.out, it writes to thin air

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planktonboy:

yeah I notice that file seems to get more and more full

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planktonboy:

yes

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Dagmar:

Now you see why I use screen instead of worrying over I/O redirection

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praet:

i think the first entry is null >/dev/null 2>&1

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planktonboy:

so to run that I would type DISPLAY=:0.0 nohup mythfrontend & 2>&1 >/dev/null or not?

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Beirdo:

yeah, put the & at the end though

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Beirdo:

or >dev/null 2>&1 &

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Beirdo:

not sure which way. :)

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planktonboy:

ok

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Beirdo:

praet may be correct

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planktonboy:

I'll look into that

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Dagmar:

You shouodn't have to terminate with & to background nohup

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planktonboy:

and also into the screen thing as Dagmar uses

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Dagmar:

planktonboy: Screen is dead easy. You just type `screen` and then it gives you a new terminal

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planktonboy:

praet ok

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Beirdo:

screen is great :)

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planktonboy:

will try that

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Dagmar:

If youve' got the normal configuration you can then just type ^a then d to detach, and logout. Come back later and type `screen -rd` to reattach

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planktonboy:

right

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Dagmar:

Probably most of the bitchx/irssi/epic users in here are using screen

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planktonboy:

ok...def worth looking into

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planktonboy:

I'll try some of that out later on

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planktonboy:

will come back a bit later on...but have to run now as I've got to go meet my sis for lunch

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planktonboy:

anyway, thanks again chaps

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Dagmar:

oooo romance

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planktonboy:

haha

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Dagmar:

oh wait, that's only funny in the south

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planktonboy:

hardly....she's not my type anyway :)

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Dagmar:

good to hear it

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planktonboy:

LOL

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planktonboy:

ok...cya later...and cheers :)

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planktonboy:

thanks again

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praet:

would a MythTerminal plugin be a good idea

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Dagmar:

For the insane, possibly

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Dagmar:

I can't see a terminal being useful if _all_ you have is a remote in your hand

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praet:

you could have the on screen keyboard in an input box like the setup screens

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praet:

now i prefer to connect throuigh the network, but i could see a use for a large font terminal in myth with themes and everthing

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masonsjax:

might be useful

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praet:

and it could use autocomplete or have a pre-set list of commands

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Dagmar:

A pre-set list of commands can just be wedged into the menus

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praet:

true

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masonsjax:

i've been struggling to get myth to tune my local HD channels properly. i'd love to have a way to write a channels.conf that i can edit, and import, instead of screwing around in mysql by hand.

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masonsjax:

kinda a PITA. especially since i'm using HDHR and cant use the dvb scan tools to create a channels.conf

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praet:

wow mythplugins increased over twofold from .19 to .20

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praet:

from the mytharchive intro videos

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dverzolla:

Hi! Has anyone using PVR-350 with output?

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qu0zl:

dverzolla, very few (if any) people use the 350 for display anymore. None of the devs do, it's almost orphaned. If you can use it as tuner and a cheap nvidia as output you'll have a much easier time of things

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dverzolla:

qu0zl: really? hmmm,

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adante:

SOLO DANCE PARTY!

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dverzolla:

qu0zl: but, the driver is orphaned by de myth?

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dverzolla:

qu0zl: or by IvyTV ?

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qu0zl:

i don't think myth was in any way responsible for the driver

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qu0zl:

the input side of things works perfectly, the output will likely cause you pains

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adante:

country road

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adante:

take me home

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adante:

to the place

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adante:

i beloooooooooooooooong!!!!!! westvirginia

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masonsjax:

mountain momma

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masonsjax:

take me home

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dverzolla:

qu0zl: the wiki of myth site say that the hauppauge is the better choise :|

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dverzolla:

qu0zl: need an update

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qu0zl:

where's this?

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qu0zl:

link please

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dverzolla:

ok

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dverzolla:

qu0zl: I'm getting..

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qu0zl:

thanks dverzolla

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dverzolla:

qu0zl: I need a better quality to do this job... the NVIDIA is ther better choise ?

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dverzolla:

qu0zl: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_PVR-350

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dverzolla:

Does: Excellent Standard-Definition NTSC / PAL TV Out from recorded television (MPEG2)

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dverzolla:

qu0zl: I need to output my recorded videos... And not the XV output...

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qu0zl:

dverzolla, if you haven't already bought a pvr350 i'd suggest a pvr150 and a nvidia 5200 or 6x00 if they're as cheap nowadays

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fryfrog:

yar, i'd concur with that

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dverzolla:

qu0zl: I have an PVR-150

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qu0zl:

then the easiest thing, if you just want to display your videos is to get a 5200 or 6x00 with svideo. You can get passively cooled ones cheaply, assuming the rest of your system isn't so noisey that'd be pointless

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fryfrog:

so you are set!

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fryfrog:

i'd shoot for a card with DVI, VGA and SVideo :)

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fryfrog:

for future proofing

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qu0zl:

my super cheap passively cooled 5200 has all 3

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dverzolla:

qu0zl: Yiu has tried

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dverzolla:

sorry

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Ruleke:

I agree to go for future proofing, but I have to add that the pvr350 frontend is currently the best quality of all frontends I have running

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dverzolla:

qu0zl: you tryied PVR-350?

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fryfrog:

I have a 5200 with 2x vga and 1 svideo :(

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qu0zl:

nope dverzolla

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fryfrog:

I have to use a Ti4200 that has dvi and vga

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dverzolla:

Ruleke: You use PVR-350?

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fryfrog:

Ruleke: yeah, but isn't it a pita to get going? and you can't do HD from it, right?

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dverzolla:

qu0zl: My application needs a better quality, and the problem of Nvidia is the driver: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/TV_Out

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dverzolla:

NVIDIA FX5200 (Yes (with separate kernel module))

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qu0zl:

the nvidia driver is fine dverzolla

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qu0zl:

it's not open-source is the only issue, so if that causes moral qualms. otherwise it works very well

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fryfrog:

well, you can always have a go with the pvr350

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qu0zl:

if you have a pvr350 then definitely try it out

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dverzolla:

qu0zl: I haven't... I'm buying, or pvt350 or your option...

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fryfrog:

and if not, try and buy it someplace with a lax return policy ;)

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dverzolla:

qu0zl: I just have some doubts

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fryfrog:

dverzolla: about nvidia or the pvr350?

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dverzolla:

qu0zl: What videos you play with you myth?

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dverzolla:

fryfrog: yes

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qu0zl:

whatever i record from tv, it's only SDTV for me

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qu0zl:

also dvds with the internal player, and the very rare xvid

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fryfrog:

dverzolla: that wasn't a "yes or no" question :/

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qu0zl:

:)

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fryfrog:

SD is for girls :)

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qu0zl:

girls without access to hdtv :(

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dverzolla:

fryfrog: I need a board that playout my videos (recorded with an PVR-150 within composite signal)

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kslater:

the problem with HD is that too much is closed

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dverzolla:

fryfrog: you use pvr350?

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kslater:

ota is fine, but I get a lot of shows from non broadcast stations (HGTV, etc.)

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fryfrog:

dverzolla: no, sorry I use a DVI -> HDMI cable

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qu0zl:

dverzolla, the tv i record is with a pvr500, so the videos are the same as from a pvr350

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fryfrog:

kslater: yeah, HDTV can be annoying :(

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kslater:

it's a sad story

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fryfrog:

when my firewire cable boxes work, it is really great. but I have to keep my eye on them :(

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fryfrog:

they spontaniously switch nodes or flat out stop working and have to be powered off, unplugged from the pc and then turned back on

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fryfrog:

and plugged back into the pc :/

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fryfrog:

I *just* put in another firewire controller, so now each one has its own... we'll see how that goes

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kslater:

fryfrog : plus you never know what you'll be able to access until you have it installed and try it.

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kslater:

it's a really sad story for Dish or Directv users

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dverzolla:

qu0zl: Ok, thanks for your help, I will do some finds in google... Just more one question, you know about some issue with pvr350?

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fryfrog:

yeah, that sucks :/

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dverzolla:

dverzolla: some link, or whetever.

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fryfrog:

kslater: they aren't required to have working firewire, right?

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qu0zl:

nope dverzolla sorry, ruleke might as he uses a pvr350

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fryfrog:

kslater: does any of the equipment *have* firewire in the satalite world?

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dverzolla:

Ruleke

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dverzolla:

qu0zl: tks

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kslater:

fryfrog – haven't heard of any that's shipped that way. you can get it modded to have firewire, but the solution is a hack if you ask me.

[14:32:53]

kslater:

requires a 2ndary windows box for some reason.

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fryfrog:

oh, wait so you'd ahve your sat box and a windows box ?

[14:33:30]

fryfrog:

or just to do the mod?

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kslater:

apparently

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kslater:

no it's mod + a 2nd box IIRC

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fryfrog:

yuck

[14:34:04]

kslater:

'xactly

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kslater:

I have to live with Windohs at work

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kslater:

don't want it in my media stuff

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Ruleke:

dverzolla: sorry was away

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Ruleke:

what's up

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dverzolla:

Ruleke: you are using pvr350 to output your recorded videos?

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Ruleke:

yep

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dverzolla:

Ruleke: if yes, are working perfectly ?

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mccune:

So, I've been trying to gather information on the PS3's ability to play high def content over the network. Under Linux, are there builds of VLC or mplayer capable of "good" 1080p playback on the cell processor?

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Ruleke:

looks far crisper that any video-out of the other frontends

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dverzolla:

crisper ? what mean this ? :)

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Zider:

crisp clear

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Ruleke:

nicelooking sharp image, clear without artifacts or without looking blurred

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Ruleke:

It'll only play back mpeg2/1 on SDTV resolutions

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Ruleke:

so all the rest like xvid etc will be done by the cpu directly to its framebuffer

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dverzolla:

Ruleke: hmmm... I believe that work for my... I need to playout my recorded videos with a PVR-150

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Ruleke:

or you can use a second output for that as I do

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Ruleke:

that'll work

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Ruleke:

reason I use it too is so my frontend/backend epia test machine needs 0% cpu for recording or playback

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dverzolla:

Ruleke: What bitrate you use for your videos?

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Ruleke:

not sure what the defaults are

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Ruleke:

3300/6000 or something ?

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Ruleke:

I didn't change it

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dverzolla:

Ruleke: 6000 I think.

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dverzolla:

Ruleke: Nice, I willl try... I will use the mythfrontend to play some videos direclty to the PVR-350

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dverzolla:

Ruleke: The mythfrontend go direclty to the PVR-350 or you use some special configuration?

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kgbudz:

im having a mythweb issue, the listings are showing NO DATA, i had to clear out my program table yesterday, but in myth its showing

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Ruleke:

dverzolla: it depends

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Ruleke:

for me personally, I only use it to play back the recordings

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Ruleke:

but you can load its X driver and just run X on it

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dverzolla:

Ruleke: I need to playback the recordings too

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Ruleke:

yep

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Ruleke:

it does that in hardware

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Ruleke:

as long as you haven't transcoded them

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dverzolla:

Ruleke: You use mythfrontend and in the option 'watch recordings' when you watch a video, the output is the pvr-350 ?

[15:04:41]

Ruleke:

yes

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Ruleke:

it can all be the same output, the GUI and the playback

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Ruleke:

if you want

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dverzolla:

Ruleke: hmm.. very nice...

[15:05:21]

dverzolla:

Ruleke: where you configure video output options in mythtv?

[15:05:55]

dverzolla:

Ruleke: I have a laptop within a CyberBlade board (trident)

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Ruleke:

I don't remember... setup -> tv settings I think

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dverzolla:

Ruleke: I will try configure with this board, to see how mythtv works.

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dverzolla:

Ruleke: I will try the trident while my pvr-350 don't come.

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Dr_willis:

Other then KnoppMyth what would one consider the easiest disrtobution to set up MythTV in?

[15:10:44]

Dr_willis:

oh wait – i cant use MythDora untill i get a new dvd drive either. :( so thats out for now.

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sigger_:

Dr_willis: minimyth an option? (haven't used it- just seen it referred to)

[15:11:39]

Dr_willis:

Hmm not tried that one.

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Dr_willis:

to the batgoogle!

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rsdvd_:

Dr_willis : minimyth is designed for the Epia mothboard......but it starting to support of the hardware

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rsdvd_:

s/of/other/

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Dr_willis:

minimyth – frontend only it seems..

[15:14:24]

Dr_willis:

reading up on it..

[15:14:35]

Dr_willis:

it has potential however. :) but for the living room where i just want a front end.

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rsdvd_:

yes – minimyth is a frontend

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sigger_:

ah, sorry, I have an epia; maybe that's why it stuck in my head

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rsdvd_:

I would recommend mythdora for a quick/easy install!

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Dr_willis:

i really need to go buy a dvd drive so i can use mythdora. :)

[15:15:28]

Dr_willis:

should of done that last night.

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rsdvd_:

I am sure you can proabably net install it – it it only fedora after all

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Dr_willis:

guess i an google its homepage.

[15:16:28]

Dr_willis:

or i go run and get some lunch. and a dvd drive.

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rsdvd_:

I always use netrwork install when I install fedora......use a usb key for stage 1 and the rest on nfs

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Dr_willis:

Walmart has them. :) and i was just at the elxtronics store yesterday that had 100 differnet ones..

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sigger_:

Dr_willis: what was the prob with knopp?

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Dr_willis:

sigger_, R5E50 for some reason does not like my system. :(

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praet:

what about a cd installation

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Dr_willis:

video playback had artifacts, the console is messed up, and remote dident work.

[15:17:39]

Dr_willis:

praet, not seeing any cd install version of mythdora.

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sigger_:

well, mention it in #knoppmyth so they can either help or resolve it for future

[15:17:56]

praet:

cd install fedora, then yum install mythtv0suite

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praet:

more work tho

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rsdvd_:

or just get of fyour arse and buy a DVD-ROM drive :-)

[15:18:32]

Dr_willis:

Hmm.. it a fairly idiot proof install that way praet ?

[15:18:48]

Dr_willis:

getting mythtv going on Ubuntu is such a hassle. :()

[15:19:03]

praet:

well tehre is a good guide that i use : http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php

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rsdvd_:

myth on fedora – was a peice of cake

[15:19:28]

qu0zl:

i found myth on ubuntu a piece of cake too, everybody's mileage seems to vary with every distro

[15:19:28]

praet:

if you read through that you may see things that might be difficult or any hardware issues

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Dr_willis:

rsdvd_, heh – someone needs to make up a wiki page on how easy the different disrtos makeit to isntall mythtv

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dverzolla:

It's possible to import a video to watch with mythfrontend?

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praet:

dverzolla: there is a video player, yes

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Dr_willis:

qu0zl, yea. seems that part of the issue with Ubuntu is that thees 5 different guides :)

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rsdvd_:

Dr_willis : as mentioned – everyones milage seesm to vary – depending on your knowledge and hardware

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sigger_:

dverzolla: you mean like an .avi file or a tv show recorded elsewhere?

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dverzolla:

sigger_: an mpg video

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sigger_:

dverzolla: mythvideo plugin does just what you want

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dverzolla:

sigger_: hm, ok

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praet:

dverzolla:

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praet:

dverzolla: MythTV > Utilities/Setup > Media Settings > Video Settings > General Settings

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dverzolla:

praet: tks

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praet:

whatever files you throw in the setup video directory will show up in mythvideo

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seth|work:

hmm my mythbackend is 1 hr ahead, very odd. system time is correct

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praet:

seth|work: dalight savings?

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sigger_:

dverzolla: though first you need to goto Utilities/Setup > Media Manager (or somename like that) to have it recognize the files

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seth|work:

praet: yes

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dverzolla:

Video Manager

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sigger_:

ya that one

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seth|work:

well in truth its mythweb that is showing the incorrect time

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kgbudz:

seth

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kgbudz:

type date and paste the output here

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praet:

the only time offset i can think of offhand is the one for xmltv

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Dr_willis:

aha – tracked down my old old dvd drive. :)

[15:26:59]

Dr_willis:

the one that the disk tray sorr of.. flys across the room when you eject.

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Dr_willis:

:)

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praet:

haha

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kgbudz:

then run mythfilldatabase --refresh-all

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praet:

i had the same problem.. i thought that maybe the disk wobble was too much at the edges of the disk after years of use

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Dr_willis:

praet, yes – it seems to burn disks good.. but couldent read the same disk back. :(

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Dr_willis:

and only on 3.6+gb full disks

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praet:

Dr_willis: i have one dvd drive in this comp, and when i need to install something off a dvd on another machine, I have to pull it out and throw it in the other machine

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praet:

because its the only dvd drive in the office

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seth|work:

ok, i had to update my timezone-data (re-emerge timezone-data for gentoo) and now it is happy

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praet:

good work seth

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seth|work:

then cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/EST5EDT /etc/localtime, should have did that a week ago

[15:33:11]

** seth|work is a slacker **

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** Dr_willis clicks theough the MythDora Installer... **

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seth|work:

my supervisor here just installed mythdora, he said it workes well

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praet:

Dr_willis: i havent worked with mythdora, let me know how it works

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Dr_willis:

at least the fonts are nice and big on the TV

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seth|work:

actually said it was easier than KM, thats impressive

[15:34:24]

Dr_willis:

I noticed that many disrtos these days tweak the console fontw to look better.. but they look worse

[15:34:56]

Dr_willis:

Yea. Getting into some Issues with KM. may as well try the others.

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Dr_willis:

MythDora defaulted to using LVM for the system.. ive never used LVM befor.

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Dr_willis:

somthing else to read up on i guess.. to the HOWTO's batman!

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praet:

volume manager

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Dr_willis:

yep. somthing ive never really messed with

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praet:

adnick56: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV

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Dr_willis:

I hear that Vista has a similer feature now

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Dr_willis:

but I scoff at Cista

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Dr_willis:

Vista

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seth|work:

adnick56:

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adnick56:

yes?

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seth|work:

adnick56: export QTDIR=<path to qt3> and then qmake mythtv.pro

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seth|work:

sorry, paste failed

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adnick56:

where should the qt3 dir be?

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praet:

x11-libs/qt-3?

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seth|work:

should be under /usr/share

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praet:

/usr/qt/3 ?

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seth|work:

adnick56: /usr/qt/3

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adnick56:

ty

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sigger_:

didn't think myth worked with qt4?

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seth|work:

qt4 is in /usr/share

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seth|work:

my bad

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praet:

sigger_: i dont thinnk so either

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Dr_willis:

darn – mythdora installer crashed – cant read disk.. :(

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Dr_willis:

bbl

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adnick56:

myth doesnt work with qt4 but it will with it installed

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seth|work:

mine does

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adnick56:

just cant compile against qt4

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adnick56:

compiled against qt4?

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sigger_:

ya, that's what I meant. no conflict.

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dustybin:

does qt = quicktime?

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quicksilver:

no

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quicksilver:

qt is a widget toolkit

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dustybin:

i see

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dustybin:

what only works in C++ ?

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quicksilver:

well, it's written in C++

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dustybin:

ok

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quicksilver:

there have been bindings for it to other languages

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adnick56:

and it errors out

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seth|work:

maybe modify the Makefile ?

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dustybin:

my mythbox HD is making a noise... lets see whats recordings

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adnick56:

hmmm

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dustybin:

Encoder 1 is local on debian and is recording: 'Imitation of Life' on Film4. This recording will end at 5:25 PM.

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dustybin:

there we go!

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seth|work:

5:25?

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dustybin:

aye

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seth|work:

Encoder 1 is local on mythcenter and is not recording.

[15:55:50]

seth|work:

Encoder 2 is local on mythcenter and is not recording.

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seth|work:

Encoder 3 is remote on stargate and is not recording.

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seth|work:

not so much happenning at my place

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Zider:

stargate? heh :)

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dustybin:

what does remote mean?

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** seth|work admits its cheesy, but I just like stargate **

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Zider:

I like it too :)

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seth|work:

it is on my slave, I have an HD card out there

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Zider:

have both series and the movie

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dustybin:

my friend recommended for me to watch prison break

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Zider:

ew

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Dr_willis:

bummer mythdora dvd i burnt is either bad.. or download was bad.. checking both.

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bsjeep:

test

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Dr_willis:

3+2=

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Dr_willis:

1+4=

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Dr_willis:

:)

[16:11:32]

Dr_willis:

If a train leaves chicago going at 84 MPH, heading west. and a Train leave Texas at 89 mph. when will they colide?

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Dr_willis:

:)

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bsjeep:

Dr_willis: thanks, just seeing if I got IRC working good at work.

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Dr_willis:

heh heh

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dustybin:

work is for working, not IRCing tut

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quicksilver:

Dr_willis: they won't collide, ever. Texas isn't on the line west of chicago

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Dr_willis:

:)

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quicksilver:

:)

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Dr_willis:

quicksilver, its amtrack. they will proberly be late anyway

[16:13:51]

** seth|work contemplates if he wants to start myth-ing the dresden files **

[16:14:08]

seth|work:

i cought the end of one last night, and it seemed like a good show

[16:14:12]

Dr_willis:

seth|work, Pesudo-Science at its best! (or worse)

[16:14:28]

Dr_willis:

I hate all these "PSycic-detective" type shows.

[16:14:55]

Dr_willis:

Then again – im a strong "Skeptic" and perfer real shows about real phenomona and stuff.

[16:15:17]

Dr_willis:

what next.. "Alf: The PI Years" :)

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seth|work:

it waas on before BSG hehe, Alf

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Dr_willis:

Alf cartoon wasent too bad either. :)

[16:16:23]

Dr_willis:

well i got to swap dvd's back and burn another MythDora disk

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Dr_willis:

bbl

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kslater:

Dr_willis : what version of MythDora are you using?

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praet:

already gone

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praet:

any italians in here

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kslater:

only by adoption. :-)

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praet:

ack. Any italian speakers then?

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praet:

i am working on translating mythweather-it

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adnick56:

well im still having a great time trying to force mythtv svn to compile in gentoo using qt3 library when i have both qt3 and 4 instaled

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adnick56:

anyone have any advice?

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adnick56:

it just really want to use qt4 but then errors out because of it

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tank-man:

is mythtv able to use qt4?

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adnick56:

no

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tank-man:

so why do you want to use qt4

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adnick56:

qt4 is installed on my system

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tank-man:

ok

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adnick56:

as is qt3

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Zider:

adnick56: do you need qt4 for anything?

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tank-man:

when installing, i remember it saying set some qt environment var to the qt3 dir

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GreyFoxx:

adnick56: set QTDIR to put to the path of QT3, and set your PATH to have QT3's bin directory at the front

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GreyFoxx:

then run configure/make etc

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tank-man:

all in the mythtv docs

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praet:

/usr/qt/3/bin

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adnick56:

export QTDIR=/usr/qt/3 then export PATH /usr/qt/3/bin ?

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adnick56:

thats what you want me to do?

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GreyFoxx:

export QTDIR=/usr/qt/3

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GreyFoxx:

export PATH=$QTDIR/bin:$PATH

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GreyFoxx:

forces the qt3 stuff to the front of the path

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praet:

good idea gf

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adnick56:

ok ty

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adnick56:

ill try it

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tank-man:

what instructions are you following?

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praet:

hes on gentoo

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adnick56:

score

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adnick56:

that worked

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adnick56:

:)

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juski:

ffs people are still after that damn crazy frog in the microwave vid off my site

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juski:

it's on youtube now folks, get over it!

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praet:

juski: that vide with the crazy german had me laughing

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juski:

praet: yeah well we had that kid or someone very much like him in here over the weekend

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juski:

I think it'd be more funny if it was less true ;)

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praet:

heh

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juski:

wooo there are new Mitchell & Web Mac ads

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Dr_willis:

one of the benifits of zapping all the comercials. :)

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praet:

auto skip has matured wonderfully from .16 to .20

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juski:

I like the mac vs pc ads – they're funny

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Dr_willis:

i would consider a mac more.. if the price premium wasent so high.

[16:49:06]

Dr_willis:

it gets worse as the mac's age a bit.. and pc's keep gettting faster/better/morestuff for same price..

[16:49:22]

Dr_willis:

then the new macs come out and are just a 'little' overpriced. :) then the gap starts growing again

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quicksilver:

the price premium isn't generally very high for the low-end

[16:49:59]

quicksilver:

bottom of the range laptop normally looks pretty competitive

[16:50:04]

juski:

to be honest I miss the days when there was less hardware choice – there's much more chance of stuff just working when there are fewer variables :)

[16:50:06]

quicksilver:

top of the range doesn't though

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Dr_willis:

was looking at some yesterday in the sales paper.. about $200 diff in low end mac laptop..vs a low end pc laptop.. but the pc laptop also had 2x the ram. and 2x the drive space...

[16:50:47]

Dr_willis:

but this wasent the LOW LOW end laptops. :)

[16:51:02]

quicksilver:

I doubt the PC laptop had bluetooth and wireless and an optical burner

[16:51:07]

Dr_willis:

Its amazing the stuff you can get in a PC laptop now for under $1000

[16:51:17]

Dr_willis:

the MacLaptop i saw i dont think had a dvd burner either.

[16:51:30]

quicksilver:

no, but it would have had a CD burner

[16:51:32]

Dr_willis:

the pc had a DL burner. but this was just a quick glance through the cell papers

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** quicksilver nods **

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Dr_willis:

sale papers. :)

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quicksilver:

well you can normally do slightly better

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quicksilver:

especially in a sale, obviously

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Dr_willis:

Yep. but it seems that apple's never go on sale. :)

[16:52:09]

quicksilver:

but the different, if you compare with a brand which has a similar hardware reliability reputation

[16:52:13]

quicksilver:

true

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Dr_willis:

im not all sure that apple has that much better Reliability..

[16:52:48]

quicksilver:

it has much better reliability than an unbranded laptop

[16:52:50]

Dr_willis:

Failures Per 1000?

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tank-man:

there are no name laptops?

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Dr_willis:

quicksilver, how do you 'prove' such a statement however?

[16:53:07]

quicksilver:

tank-man: there are 'small name' laptops

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quicksilver:

tank-man: like Acer and artist and all sorts

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Dr_willis:

'white box' laptops

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tank-man:

acer is small? wow

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quicksilver:

Dr_willis: mean time between failure, or failures per 1000 per year, yes

[16:53:26]

Dr_willis:

made by some 3rd party – the other comapnies just rebrand them

[16:53:46]

Dr_willis:

quicksilver, heh – like that artical on the MTBF on hard drives being super-exgateraged...

[16:54:32]

Dr_willis:

Im thinking of the 'snap on' and 'craftsman' tools – the actual material isent that much better then the other 'decent' tool brands.. its just that they have a longer warrenty. :)

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quicksilver:

lies, damn lies and so on

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Dr_willis:

I work in the Car Industry – so we hear a lot about quality and warrenty costs.. the AUto makers have some very 'real' measurements of such stuff.

[16:55:12]

quicksilver:

but there are consumer charts, magazines, and stuff like that

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Dr_willis:

in the pc world – a lot seems to be just... word of mouth

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quicksilver:

there are reliability charts published by consumer groups. I'm not an expert in this area :)

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Dr_willis:

Apple is using the same brand HD's that one can get in a PC. same CPU's, same.. hmm. lcd's come from just a few factorys in the world.. so i dont see what apple can be doing that is 'that much better'

[16:56:19]

Dr_willis:

NOW they may have better quality controlls i guess.

[16:56:29]

Dr_willis:

do they burn in every machine befor it leaves the factory?

[16:56:47]

Dr_willis:

they paying some poor slob to check every lcd for dead pixles and so forth. :)

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juski:

or maybe they're just paying a slight premium to the manufacturer to take care of that for them

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Dr_willis:

juski, thats possible.. but ive noticed that 'in a factory' the price is king.. If the factory can get the same parts for $1 cheaper – they go for it.

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juski:

whatever you think about Macs the one thing you can't deny is their design. They're well put together

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qu0zl:

Dr_willis, they also have the advantage of much more limited sets of components. And all the components are well tested with each other. PCs have an unlimited supply of different versions of the same component

[16:58:23]

Dr_willis:

but with apple's being a bit of a 'luxery' item. they may spurge a bit.

[16:58:28]

qu0zl:

and that means they're more likely to mess with each other

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juski:

Dr_willis: does the long-term benefit of going cheaper outweigh the risks?

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juski:

if a company decides not, then they pay a little more

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Dr_willis:

juski, thats a point of debate in the auto world.

[16:59:26]

juski:

depends what your bottom line is, doesn't it?

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Dr_willis:

pc makers have it a lot better in many ways.

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quicksilver:

Dr_willis: yes, it's often compatibility between components rather than reliability of individual components that swings it

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juski:

god what did I start?!

[16:59:49]

Dr_willis:

heh heh

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Dr_willis:

:)

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quicksilver:

Dr_willis: apple run a tighter ship there

[17:00:04]

Dr_willis:

quicksilver, id hope so. :)

[17:00:18]

quicksilver:

they have exponentially fewer variables to worry about so (arguably) they can provide a higher overall software/hardware integration reliability

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juski:

I think things are less bad these days, either by way of better specs or tighter controls – but it used to be a real nightmare

[17:00:50]

qu0zl:

things are still kind of dodgey, just look at the troubles people seem to get with via motherboard DMA

[17:01:15]

juski:

I've yet to experience problems with via chipsets, so my opinion isn't formed on that yet

[17:02:31]

tank-man:

my flash based ipod is solid

[17:02:31]

qu0zl:

yeah, they've got hard-drives in them, people need to treat those gently

[17:02:41]

juski:

I mean if I know it's got a HDD in it I won't take it jogging ffs

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Dr_willis:

Jogging? thats like walking fast right?

[17:03:01]

Dr_willis:

somthing i try to avoide anyway

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juski:

hahaha

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xris:

Dr_willis: that'd be "speed walking" ;)

[17:04:37]

xris:

like jogging, but without the bouncing up and down

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xris:

oh, and you have to wiggle your butt.

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juski:

sounds a lot like exercise to me

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Dr_willis:

somthing i perfer to watch females do ... sounds like

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Dr_willis:

:)

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adnick56:

lmao

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juski:

hmm I dunno why I'm even bothering to rsync my music partition since I plan to re-do it all soon

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Dr_willis:

bummer – mythdora dosent set up the X display right for me. :(

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Dr_willis:

i think it may be showing to the monitor. and not tv out

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praet:

Dr_willis: youi are installing with ust a tv and no monitor?

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Dr_willis:

heh – i ssh'ed in from antoehr box and the setup tool took off.

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Dr_willis:

reading some docs on it now.

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Dr_willis:

praet, yep – exactly. Just a tv

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praet:

whats the tvout card?

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Dr_willis:

nvidia 5500

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Dr_willis:

all righty.. the setup program installed the nvidia drivers.. i think.

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Dr_willis:

i disabled SElinux like some docs said also..

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Dr_willis:

lets reboot the puppy and hear it bark!

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Dr_willis:

bummer.. aparently i dident disable selinux properly

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juski:

heheh I knew it – DAB radio is gonna be obsoleted and replaced with DAB+ – making all our DAB radios totally useless

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juski:

bye bye mp2, hello AAC

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juski:

grr I can't seem to find out what's using /media

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anykey_:

juski: did you try lsof?

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juski:

I couldn't remember what it was when I typed that

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juski:

now found out mythtv is using it

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juski:

and now I can unmount it :)

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anykey_:

lsof | grep /media shows nothing?

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praet:

umount -f ?

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fryfrog:

juski: i hate when you know there is a command but can't remember the name of it :)

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fryfrog:

i couldn't remember "xargs" the other day

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juski:

doing the rsync the other way now :)

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dustybin:

why didnt anyone tell me about the 'man' command!

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knowledgejunkie:

dustybin: you should have tried 'man man' – it tells you all about it

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dustybin:

man man | lpr -P HP_LaserJet_1020_USB_1

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dustybin:

haah i did

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dustybin:

and i sent the output to my printer :)

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juski:

will somebody please think of the trees?!

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dustybin:

hehe

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kormoc-laptop:

As long as he eats the paper...

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dustybin:

man women

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dustybin:

No manual entry for women

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dustybin:

strange :-S

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ByteChanger:

Can someone help me with a MythTV-setup issue? I'm getting 'Could not open card #0 subtype:'...

[18:17:11]

ByteChanger:

I'm not sure how to check if my modules have been loaded or how to load them?

[18:17:38]

dustybin:

ByteChanger: is your tv card pci?

[18:18:12]

ByteChanger:

yes, its a pci dvb-s (Twinhan 1020a)

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dustybin:

see if your p00ter has detected it by typing in a terminal

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dustybin:

lspci

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ByteChanger:

yes, i can see the card when i do that...

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dustybin:

right hold on

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dustybin:

now type in lsmod

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dustybin:

and see if there is a kernel driver for it

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dustybin:

my one shows up as

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dustybin:

usbcore 112676 6 dvb_usb_dib0700,dvb_usb,usbhid,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd

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dustybin:

but mine is usb based!

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dustybin:

dib7000m 13668 1 dvb_usb_dib0700

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dustybin:

etc..

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dustybin:

you know the buttons in the myth setup menus, the little square boxes, if the button is pushed down, does that mean this option is turned on?

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dustybin:

its difficult to see those little square buttons on my tv

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juski:

use a different qt style & they'll appear different IIRC

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juski:

or use vnc

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dustybin:

aye yes good idea :)

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gardengnome:

re

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dustybin:

wow im using a QT with little ticks :)

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dustybin:

wow i found something useful for people who are suffering from lirc problems, just type in "man lircd"

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charlieS_:

heh.. what about problems with BUGS?

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dustybin:

if u suffer with bugs try these: http://www.jungleformula.co.uk/images/index_06.jpg

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charlieS_:

heh :)

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praet:

anyone have a svn account ?

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dustybin:

what is a svn?

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dustybin:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subversion_(soft . . . itory_access

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praet:

yep

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dustybin:

i imagine only developers have svn accounts?!

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praet:

right

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praet:

i tanslated a bit for mythweather plugin and wanted to submit to a dev

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dustybin:

i wonder if Linus Torvalds has a svn account?

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dustybin:

i see, maybe u should ask someone in the mythtv developer room

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rsdvd_:

praet – tyr the #mythtv channel.....it is where the devs hang out – but only for dev talk

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gardengnome:

rsdvd_: hey. how's life?

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rsdvd_:

Hi gardengnome : not bad – how is life over there?

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gardengnome:

rsdvd_: sunny o/ :)

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gardengnome:

rsdvd_: if you feel bored, you could check out pablo's latest commits to gar-minimyth, see http://www.linpvr.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5622#5622

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gardengnome:

he's made me feel stupid ;)

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GreyFoxx:

an svn account to what ?

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GreyFoxx:

praet: Place a ticket in trac with your patch

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rsdvd_:

gardengnome : has he now checked in all the changes needed for the s100?

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Gurft:

I seem to have a wierd signal noise problem in my mythbox. Almost overnight I went from crystal clear screen to wavy lines.... swapped in an older PCI card and it looks great.

[18:51:07]

gardengnome:

rsdvd_: http://www.linpvr.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5624#5624

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Gurft:

back to teh original AGP, looks like crap.

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gardengnome:

rsdvd_: no, some of our custom things might still be needed.

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praet:

thanks GreyFoxx

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gardengnome:

rsdvd_: he's checked in the smurf antidote and the kernel patch for intel_agp

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gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: hey, your msntv2 is really similar to the s100, right?

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GreyFoxx:

gardengnome: Main difference is the bios really

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rsdvd_:

gardengnome : all sounds promising

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gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: cool, then the msntv2 users will benefit from those changes in minimyth as well

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gardengnome:

rsdvd_: yep

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Gurft:

Anyone recommend a relatively inexpensive AGP card?

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Gurft:

that I can replace this one with to see if it's actually teh card that's toast?

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praet:

Gurft: what card are you working on?

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praet:

GreyFoxx: let me know if this looks ok http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3200

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juski:

gardengnome: there are like 2 hours of soaps tonight – I could try it

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juski:

I got my tftp share working properly

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juski:

well I think I did

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** gardengnome has decided to have dinner at his desk ;) **

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juski:

hahaha

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juski:

wooo this is encouraging.. "I like blootube-wide so much that I'm adding extra RAM to my system

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juski:

just so I can use it."

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gardengnome:

juski: someone would have to build it for you, though. i can do it but i can't promise i'll be able to upload it.

[19:03:10]

juski:

sucker :)

[19:03:29]

juski:

ah well I'm sure there's something else I can do

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rsdvd_:

gardengnome : what would I need to do to build it? just do svn up at the top level?

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gardengnome:

rsdvd_: yes. and do a make clean in script/meta/minimyth

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gardengnome:

rsdvd_: if i were you, i'd rebuild the kernel manually

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gardengnome:

rsdvd_: it's possible you'll get conflicts when running svn up. watch out for those

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gardengnome:

rsdvd_: also, recompile mythtv.

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rsdvd_:

I will see how far I can get........I can kick off a make build.....but I will not be here all noght to be able to hand comile stuff

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rsdvd_:

gardengnome : do you know what svn revision it is up to? it updated to rev 1316

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gardengnome:

rsdvd_: should be ok, i suppose.

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rsdvd_:

gardengnome : have done a svn up.....make clean....is there anything I have missed before I do make build

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gardengnome:

rsdvd_: i told you you need to rebuilt mythtv and the kernel ;)

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rsdvd_:

I will need to do make build fist though ?

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gardengnome:

rsdvd_: make build in script/meta/minimyth/ will just create new tarballs

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ByteChanger:

Hi there.. sorry aabout that.. had to fix a eaves ... water emergency... hehe

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ByteChanger:

dustybin: I think you found the prob. I did a lsmod and could not see any kernel drivers for it....

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dustybin:

aye there u go!

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dustybin:

u should be able to locate your drivers here

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dustybin:

http://www.linuxtv.org/

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rsdvd_:

gardengnome : there has been no hcange to the dates in script/myth ....so there cannot be any changes make by the svn up?

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ByteChanger:

hmmmm, i downloaded the current dvb-mercurial drivers and patch... Using Cym's script

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ByteChanger:

(I was using Hooches How to for MythTV)

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gardengnome:

rsdvd_: one of the Makefiles should be changed.

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gardengnome:

rsdvd_: anyways, i've got to go. you'll ahve to find out yourself

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gardengnome:

rsdvd_: svn log might provide some insight

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ByteChanger:

hmmm. found out i needed to do a modprobe bttv & modprobe dvb-ttpci

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ByteChanger:

still didn't work, but i think i need a modprobe dvb-core in there as well...

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akifdino:

hello

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kgbudz:

is xris around?

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kgbudz:

my mythweb shows NO DATA for my listings

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kgbudz:

but listings work inside mythtv

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Sembiance:

I can record up to four HDTV streams and two analog streams at once on my MythTV Server ;)

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kgbudz:

nice

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kgbudz:

can you spec out your setup?

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Sembiance:

I'm at work right now. Basically a server box with two analog PVR250 cards. I have two HDHomeRun boxes, which each have dual HDTV tuners.

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Sembiance:

Gigabit ethernet network

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kgbudz:

cool

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kgbudz:

you dont pull hd over firewire?

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Sembiance:

At first I tried pulling the HDTV signals from the air

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Sembiance:

but found too much reception problems

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kgbudz:

ok

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kgbudz:

how are you pulling hd?

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Sembiance:

so now I pull from cable line.

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kgbudz:

cool

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kgbudz:

what card you use for hd?

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Sembiance:

No cards. Two HDHomerun boxes.

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kgbudz:

is that a mythtv thing?

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Sembiance:

or do you mean display?

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Sembiance:

No, it's a generic thing.

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kgbudz:

ok

[19:41:40]

Sembiance:

http://www.silicondust.com/

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kgbudz:

where do you store all your content?

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kgbudz:

nas, local, on the hdhomerun box?

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Sembiance:

I have a local hard drive I store it on

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kgbudz:

where does hdhomerun store?

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kgbudz:

its content

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Sembiance:

It doesn't. It streams it on demand over RJ45 ethernet.

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kgbudz:

o, ok

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Sembiance:

super handy

[19:43:21]

Sembiance:

not limited to PCI cards to tune X HD Streams

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kgbudz:

well, how does that stream get stored

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kgbudz:

and who stores it

[19:43:47]

kgbudz:

like if you want to record 24 tonite

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kgbudz:

how do you do it

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masonsjax:

i just setup a new mythbox with an HDHR, it's beautiful

[19:44:12]

kgbudz:

masonsjax, whats HDHR?

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masonsjax:

HDhomerun

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masonsjax:

silicondust.com

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Sembiance:

I go to Myth, I find 24 in the program guide, tell it to record, and when the time comes mythbackend sends a signal over the ethernet network to the HDHomerun box to tune to a channel and mythtv saves the stream to the hard drive

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kgbudz:

cool

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kgbudz:

o nice

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kgbudz:

so mythtv works with hdhr?

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masonsjax:

yes

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kgbudz:

cool, i get it now

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Sembiance:

At first I was transcoding the HDHomerun streams frmo 1080p into 720p, but I ran into lots of issues with it

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kgbudz:

1080p tv?

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kgbudz:

wow

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masonsjax:

the HDHR streams the raw mpeg2 stream over the network. you can actually view it with any computer

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kgbudz:

like i was going to do my HD straight from my cable box via firewire

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kgbudz:

why did you guys choose HDHR?

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masonsjax:

lots of reasons

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kgbudz:

sell me on it...

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Sembiance:

I wish I had a 1080p Tv, but I've got a 720p

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kgbudz:

whats the best reason

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masonsjax:

it doesnt take up extra pci slots, it's 2 tuners for cheaper than 2 cards, good linux/myth support...

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kgbudz:

Sembiance, do you mean 1080i?

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masonsjax:

depends on what's doing the deinterlacing

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Sembiance:

I'd rather live with the small jaggies then with all the problems introduced with transcoding from 1080p to 720p

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kgbudz:

like tv doesnt come in 1080p...

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kgbudz:

1080i or 720p

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masonsjax:

i have yet to see anything broadcast in 1080i around here

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kgbudz:

cbs is 1080i

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masonsjax:

i mean 1080p, :)

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Sembiance:

masonsjax: Well the computer is hooked up directly to the 720p LCD TV via VGA and running at the TV's native resolution. So mplayer is just taking the content and scaling it to fit the resolution.

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masonsjax:

right

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Sembiance:

I live in Boston. I have LOADS of HD channels, most of them 1080p

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masonsjax:

sweet

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kgbudz:

Sembiance, i think you mean 1080i

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masonsjax:

i think the dish companies claim to do a lot in 1080p also

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Sembiance:

kgbudz: I don't believe I do :)

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masonsjax:

heh

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kgbudz:

so does this HDHR do only over the air signals?

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masonsjax:

no, it does qam(64|256) as well

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kgbudz:

Sembiance, what shows come over as 1080p?

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kgbudz:

whats qam?

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Sembiance:

kgbudz: I'd have to check when I get home rofl

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masonsjax:

the commonly used modulation of us-cable streams

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kgbudz:

ok, cool

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Sembiance:

But I just got my first girlfriend ever, about 2 weeks ago. So I don't think I'll be futzing around with my MythTV server much tonight ;)

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masonsjax:

congrats

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Sembiance:

Only took 28 years to get my first girlfriend ;)

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Sembiance:

go geeks!

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masonsjax:

woot!

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kgbudz:

did you show her your mythbox yet?

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Sembiance:

The only thing that sucks is I'm running a source build from subversion, and mythbackend crashes once in a while

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Sembiance:

which really sucks because then sometimes shows don't record.

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Sembiance:

I haven't had time though to get a core dump, check out the backtrace, and see if it's been fixed already in a later subversion release or if I found a new bug.

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masonsjax:

same here

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masonsjax:

i'm still building it. hardware came in last week, so i havnt ironed out all the kinks yet

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Sembiance:

well, I think I'm going to head home.

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kgbudz:

what version of myth supports HDHR?

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Sembiance:

cya

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kgbudz:

.20?

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masonsjax:

yeah

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masonsjax:

i think any could be made to work, but i had problems with the channel scan until i built the latest from SVN

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masonsjax:

.20-fixes

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kgbudz:

does HDHR support standard cable streams?

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masonsjax:

it does not work with any analog streams. digital only.

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kgbudz:

cool

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kgbudz:

im going to ask this again, it pulls from cable and air?

[19:56:25]

kgbudz:

like comcast cable...

[19:56:32]

masonsjax:

if you're contemplating building your first mythbox, i'd recommend joining the mailing list and just read the posts for a while. you'll learn a lot.

[19:56:48]

kgbudz:

ive been running myth for about 4 years now :)

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kgbudz:

.11 was my first version

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masonsjax:

yes, you can pull in unencrypted digital cable, and/or over the air digital channels

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kgbudz:

ok, cool

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masonsjax:

all the specs for the HDHR are on the link

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masonsjax:

and a forum full of info as well

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onewheelskyward:

I think I cut my teeth on .12.

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kgbudz:

my first mythbox was on a amd k6 1ghz and a bttv card

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kgbudz:

it sucked

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kgbudz:

then the pvr came out and it made it good

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masonsjax:

i played with it a long time ago, but didnt really use it.

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masonsjax:

just built my first serious box

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kgbudz:

im running this right now: http://myth.rezsoft.org

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kgbudz:

got about 2TB

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kgbudz:

going to build a 5–7TB box soon

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kgbudz:

looks like HDHR might be a good pairing

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masonsjax:

its nice.

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masonsjax:

plus you can add as many as you want. no worries about heat or space

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kgbudz:

yup

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masonsjax:

quittin time. latar

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kgbudz:

how big is the buffer on the HDHR?

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kgbudz:

it says you can pause tv on it?

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kgbudz:

and it can do 2 HD streams over 100baset?

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GreyFoxx:

kgbudz: the pausing would occur in myth, not the hdhr

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GreyFoxx:

and you can easily do 2 streams of HD over 100mbit

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kgbudz:

ya, makes sense

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kgbudz:

GreyFoxx, you use the HDHR?

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GreyFoxx:

No

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kgbudz:

im totally sold on it right now

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GreyFoxx:

No over the air HD in my area even thoughj were were suppose to have it by last sept

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GreyFoxx:

doh, time to go pickup my little one

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GreyFoxx:

later

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ShiftyPowers:

kgbudz, i'm definitely looking at an HDHR too

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ShiftyPowers:

looks awesome

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ShiftyPowers:

anyone here use mytharchive?

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ShiftyPowers:

by chance?

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kgbudz:

nah

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kgbudz:

i setup my own archiving system like a year before mytharchive was released

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hjohnson:

heh

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juski:

kgbudz: yeah? so er... what about the open source community spirit eh?

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hjohnson:

I need to start archiving my tv shows.

[20:24:42]

juski:

archiving tv shows is like pissing in the wind

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juski:

:)

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hjohnson:

juski: it's probably like a whack of tools that I've created.. horribly useless to anyone else, and i'm too embarassed to show it. :)

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juski:

you'll never have enough storage

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kgbudz:

ive got plenty

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ShiftyPowers:

yeah, and i doubt i'll ever watch those shows again

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kgbudz:

and im about to build a lot more

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ShiftyPowers:

so why do I keep them?

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hjohnson:

juski: ShiftyPowers I dunno, I keep them for the lull in the series..

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kgbudz:

there are some shows i keep

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hjohnson:

i'll go back and re-watch Dr Who for example... or the simpsons.

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kgbudz:

new yankee workshop, this old house, sienfeld, etc

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hjohnson:

the simpsons arcive really well. <G>

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kgbudz:

ive got all but like 5 seinfeld eps

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onewheelskyward:

Is this old house really still in production?

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ShiftyPowers:

yeah, i keep a lot of them

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kgbudz:

onewheelskyward, yes sir

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kgbudz:

they just wrapped up Boston

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onewheelskyward:

Good lord...I remember watching that when I was a kid.

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kgbudz:

and are now doing Austin

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ShiftyPowers:

does MythArchive allow me to still see the shows listed in Recordings that have been archived?

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ShiftyPowers:

i.e if I click on a show that's been archived it requests a certain CD?

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onewheelskyward:

It was way ahead of the reality show curve. :)

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ShiftyPowers:

that would be good WAF

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hjohnson:

onewheelskyward: yeah, and somewhat more realistic than whatever that extreme reno show is now.

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onewheelskyward:

Indeed.

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kgbudz:

like how do i find out if my content (comcast) is coming over encrypted or not

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onewheelskyward:

hjohnson: Sounds cool, was that a PBS thing?

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hjohnson:

onewheelskyward: it was a Canadian production for Outdoor Life Network, I think.

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ShiftyPowers:

problem then is that you end up needing a crapload of HD space

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ShiftyPowers:

lest we get some bluray action going

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hjohnson:

ShiftyPowers: eh, disk space is cheap

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kgbudz:

yup

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kgbudz:

just get a few TBs

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hjohnson:

I've barely thrown anything away since the mid 90s

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hjohnson:

i'm sitting on 1.2TB of storage right now

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ShiftyPowers:

problem is that shows now are in HD

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ShiftyPowers:

even downloaded ones

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ShiftyPowers:

so the files are getting large

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kgbudz:

yup

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hjohnson:

ShiftyPowers: yeah, but I don't mind 400MB/ep

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ShiftyPowers:

and having an HD farm sitting around for archival purposes is a waste of electricity no?

[20:32:51]

kgbudz:

ive got about 100 dvds

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kgbudz:

raw VOB

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kgbudz:

with menus, etc

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hjohnson:

(I still remember my first HD.. 20MB... I never ran out of space on it)

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kgbudz:

its not even a dent on my server FS

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hjohnson:

ShiftyPowers: my main server draws maybe 100W

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hjohnson:

er 200W

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hjohnson:

and electricity here is $0.05/kwh

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ShiftyPowers:

what kind of server are you running? mine is 800gigs and getting pretty full

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ShiftyPowers:

you guys run RAID?

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hjohnson:

ShiftyPowers: dual core athlon 64... 5 300GB SATA disks in a RAID 5,

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ShiftyPowers:

is raid 5 striping?

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ShiftyPowers:

or mirror?

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hjohnson:

ShiftyPowers: striping + parity

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onewheelskyward:

neither

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onewheelskyward:

there you go

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ShiftyPowers:

ah

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hjohnson:

so I can lose a disk and still retain all my data.

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hjohnson:

lose any one of the 5 actually.

[20:35:13]

hjohnson:

writes are painful though.. reads are pretty quick.

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ShiftyPowers:

and you house them in a separate case or in your main server?

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hjohnson:

they're housed in the main server...

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ShiftyPowers:

you don't have like a NAS type arrangement then eh?

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ShiftyPowers:

gotcha

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hjohnson:

but the server lives in a closet in the basement.

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hjohnson:

along with all the networking gear and so forth that runs the house.

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ShiftyPowers:

is the server the main mythbackend as well?

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onewheelskyward:

And you lose a bit of capacity to the parity data. 1 drive's worth, usually.

[20:36:41]

hjohnson:

yes

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juski:

wooohooo a new record kills in vigilante mode for me :)

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ShiftyPowers:

is it possible to run LVM on top of RAID 5?

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hjohnson:

yes

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hjohnson:

that's what I do.

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ShiftyPowers:

or how do you guys run it?

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ShiftyPowers:

ah

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ShiftyPowers:

gotcha

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ferent:

hello, could anybody visit this link and tell me why mythfilldatabase doesn't fill? http://pastebin.ca/392372

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hjohnson:

XFS on LVM on RAID 5

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ShiftyPowers:

so you create an array in raid 5 which becomes one unit in the view of LVM?

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hjohnson:

ShiftyPowers: exactly.

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juski:

bah not the "which is the best? underpants on top or under my trousers" discussion again

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ferent:

in the 10 line you can see

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ferent:

config file /home/ferent/.mythtv/cable.xmltv does not exist, run me with --configure

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ShiftyPowers:

juski, was that at us ? :)

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juski:

ShiftyPowers: yup

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ShiftyPowers:

just wondering what me options are

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ShiftyPowers:

tooooo much pron right now on the server

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ShiftyPowers:

need to consolidate

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ferent:

please help me :(

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ShiftyPowers:

60 gigs left and now that got me thinking of my options

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praet:

ferent: looks like xmltv is not configured

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kgbudz:

im using XFS on LVM on a JBOD

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kgbudz:

8 hds

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ferent:

praet: how can I configure it?

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kgbudz:

2.0 tbs

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juski:

ferent: so erm.. run your tv grabber with --configure like the plain English text tells you

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juski:

jees it's not like it's saying "hey! error 243673524375827"

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praet:

ferent: also, is your master server ip set properly in setup?

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ferent:

sorry I'm frim spain

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hjohnson:

kgbudz: i'd be worried about what woul dhappen if I lost a spindle.

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juski:

does spain even have an xmltv grabber? hmm

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ferent:

my localhost

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ferent:

praet

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praet:

ferent: ok.

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ferent:

it's ok?

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juski:

ferent: well, let's see. when you ran mythtv-setup you specified a 'video source' didn't you?

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ferent:

yes I do

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kgbudz:

if a hd crashes, i would just lose whatevers on it

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ferent:

juski

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juski:

'video source' in mythtv-setup means a source of EPG data – electronic programme guide data

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kgbudz:

my data writes are linear

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ferent:

yes juski

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juski:

right ferent. that's good so far

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kgbudz:

my next setup will be a RAID5

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juski:

when you do that, you will have seen a progress bar which seemed to be stuck at 50% right?

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ferent:

juski: must I run my tv grabber?

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ferent:

sorry I don't understand the meaning of stack

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praet:

ferent: are you using zap2it?

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ferent:

i'm from spain

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juski:

ferent: well when you see that progress bar you have to switch back to the terminal you started mythtv-setup from

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juski:

that part is where you configure your xmltv grabber

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ferent:

juski: I know

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ferent:

juski: only one think

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ferent:

mythtv find the channels

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ferent:

my problem is mythfilldatabase don't fill it

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ferent:

I can see thhe tv

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juski:

your tv grabber should ask you which channels you want and save them in a file. for example cable.xmltv :)

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ferent:

yes I did that

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ferent:

and I have a tvgrabber.xmlt

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juski:

my guess is that you are not running mythfilldatabase as the same user you ran mythtv-setup as

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ferent:

juski

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ferent:

one momment

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juski:

you MUST run mythfilldatabase as the same user you do mythtv-setup as

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ferent:

I understand

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ferent:

I will try it

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ferent:

wait please

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juski:

that .xmltv file which mythtv-setup saves is put down in the .mythtv directory. the .mythtv directory is in the home dir of the user you run mythtv-setup as :)

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ferent:

juski: I run tv_grab_es --configure

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hjohnson:

ahh the great debate... what is the correct pronunciation for sudo?

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ferent:

and it find all my channels data

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hjohnson:

pseudo, or soo-doo

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praet:

i say soo-dow

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juski:

ferent: so, it should work

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praet:

its also fun to explain it as 'super user'

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ferent:

there isn't a xmltv file

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praet:

why not save the tvgrab file to /home/ferent/.mythtv/cable.xmltv

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ferent:

check the link

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ferent:

praet: can I do that?

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ferent:

mythtv can read that file?

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juski:

ferent: you can do that

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juski:

you should put it in /home/mythtv/.mythtv/ though

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juski:

and you should run mythfilldatabase as the mythtv user

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ferent:

and later run mythfilldatabase?

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ferent:

ok I understand

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ferent:

I will try that

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akifdino:

there was someone who had a technotrend c1500 aswell here, is anyone using the ir receiver of this card?

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ferent:

thanks and sorry for my bad english

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hjohnson:

praet: root... god... what's the difference?

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praet:

haha

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ferent:

praet, juski, when I run tv_grabb_es --configure the bash show me the next alert

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ferent:

sorry for the paste

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ferent:

tv_grab_es --configure

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ferent:

using config filename /home/ferent/.xmltv/tv_grab_es.conf

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ferent:

A nonempty configuration file /home/ferent/.xmltv/tv_grab_es.conf

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ferent:

already exists. There is currently no support for altering an

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ferent:

existing configuration: you have to reconfigure from scratch

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ferent:

this file isn't an xmltv file

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ferent:

this is a conf file

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ferent:

do you understand me?

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ferent:

this alert shows me because I have fill the data before

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praet:

tv_grab_es --list-channels

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ferent:

ok wait a second

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ferent:

I will paste the results in a pastebin

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ferent:

ok?

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ferent:

http://pastebin.ca/392417

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ferent:

that is

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ferent:

praet

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praet:

ferent: ok good now run mythfilldatabase

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praet:

if tehres no errors run mythfrontend

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ferent:

praet, the result is the same I put before, nothing has change on my computer

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praet:

try mv the file to tvgrab file to /home/ferent/.mythtv/cable.xmltv

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ferent:

I don't paste my tvgrabber to mythtv directory because this is not a xmltv file

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ferent:

this is a conf file

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ferent:

as you can see

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praet:

cp /home/ferent/.xmltv/tv_grab_es.conf /home/ferent/.mythtv/cable.xmltv

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ferent:

rename the extension? ok

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cheeseboy16958:

mike3_ you around?

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ferent:

praet: I'm runing mythfilldatabesa, it shows now "getting list of cannels

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ferent:

I'm happy

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ferent:

:*)

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ferent:

now it shows getting listins

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cheeseboy16958:

:O cannels!

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praet:

man tv_grab_es << will show proper usage by the way

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ferent:

thanks praet, a new error, I will do a pastebin

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praet:

heh

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ferent:

wait

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ferent:

http://pastebin.ca/392431

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ferent:

maybe a dns problem?

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praet:

hrmm.. its not 404 for me

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ferent:

not for my too

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ferent:

I can see the website

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praet:

right

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ferent:

I will try onether time

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ferent:

another*

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ferent:

ok?

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praet:

k

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ferent:

praet: I need to do a reset, I will come in a few minutes

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ferent:

thanks

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ShiftyPowers:

wha'ts a good hardware SATA Raid controller to use with myth

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ShiftyPowers:

?

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ShiftyPowers:

any suggestions?

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kgbudz:

haha

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kgbudz:

myth does not have any hardware sata raid requirements...

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Gurft:

I like the one build into my motherboard ;)

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Gurft:

it works *swell*

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kgbudz:

like the question is what are your storage requirements

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kgbudz:

what are you trying to do

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tank-man:

his question should be which sata controller works with linux

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kgbudz:

but even then

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kgbudz:

there is a full range

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Gurft:

Shifty: are you tryign to do hardware mirroring/etc?

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kgbudz:

if you just want to have a big fat FS

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kgbudz:

go with a rocketraid card

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kgbudz:

they are cheap and good

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kgbudz:

but if you want good speeds, etc

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ferent:

praet, juski, now it seem to be ok

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kgbudz:

then your going to have to get something a bit more $$$

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praet:

great

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ferent:

I execute mythfilldatabase --manual like mythtv say to me

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ferent:

and after some questions

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ferent:

it questions to me

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Gurft:

Again, my nVidia CK8S onboard SATA controller works like a dream.

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ferent:

"Choose a channel icon image (any path name)"

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ferent:

and I don't know what is this

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ferent:

I have to find the icon on the website

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ferent:

save it

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ferent:

and puts the path?

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ferent:

praet?

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praet:

ferent: you have to download the icon first, then point to the icon path n your computer

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praet:

i dont use icons though

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ferent:

ok, this has to be a *.ico correct?

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praet:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Channel_icons

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praet:

there is a new script to automatically pull icons, but unsure if spain data is tehre

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ferent:

praet: your are a good person :)

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ferent:

thanks!

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praet:

perl /usr/share/doc/mythtv-*/contrib/mkiconmap.pl

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praet:

mythfilldatabase --import-icon-map iconmap.xml --update-icon-map

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praet:

that may work

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ferent:

I will try

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ferent:

mythtv is a dragon!

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ShiftyPowers:

sorry guys

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gardengnome:

the good news is that it can't be killed

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ShiftyPowers:

disappeared for a second

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ShiftyPowers:

was thinking of adding another few drives to my system

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ShiftyPowers:

and RAID seemed to be the right way to go

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ShiftyPowers:

right now i have them in LVM

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ShiftyPowers:

several drives

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ShiftyPowers:

both PATA and SATA

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ShiftyPowers:

so is the easiest to just add another drive in SATA to the system and forget all about RAID?

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ShiftyPowers:

that is the easiest

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ShiftyPowers:

but am I missing the boat on parity and failsafe storage

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onewheelskyward:

Well, yeah you kind of are.

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onewheelskyward:

But it just depends how important that is to you. :)

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onewheelskyward:

If you don't have a backup of something you'd cry over if it was lost, then you should do something about that data's fault tolerance.

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juski:

considering a HDD might have a 1% chance of failing, over 5 drives, that's an aggregate of 5%, for example

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onewheelskyward:

either back it up or build a mirrored/parity RAID system. Personally, I find the former to be the simpler solution.

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fryfrog:

I <3 my 6x 320G RAID5 array :)

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juski:

back up recordings? yeesh. I don't think any show is worth that much effort

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praet:

i dont mind losing my recordings.. but the wife might have my head

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onewheelskyward:

juski: Neither do I.

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ShiftyPowers:

yeah, i don't mind losing TV shows

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ShiftyPowers:

i pretty much just backup my pictures and documents

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ShiftyPowers:

the rest i'm not too worried about

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ShiftyPowers:

so i guess i could just add them to the LVM

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praet:

right

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praet:

one mega drive

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onewheelskyward:

ShiftyPowers: You might want to think about your /etc folder. That's a nice one to have in the event of a meltdown.

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fryfrog:

i don't mind *losing* my shows, but if i can sacrafice the equivilent of one drives worth of space to avoid total data loss.... i will

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ShiftyPowers:

onewheelskyward, you mean back that one up as well?

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fryfrog:

my "system" is also a RAID1 mirror

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onewheelskyward:

ShiftyPowers: Yep. It contans most of your settings. I'd add your mysql database too if you haven't already.

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ShiftyPowers:

yeah, i backup my db as well

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ShiftyPowers:

but thanks for the suggestion

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ShiftyPowers:

backing up /etc makes total sense

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praet:

fryfrog: really? can you run repair tools etc when using a raid on the root?

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ShiftyPowers:

fryfrog, so you use the Raid controller on your mobo then eh?

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fryfrog:

ShiftyPowers: frack no :)

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fryfrog:

praet: what do you mean?

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ShiftyPowers:

which one then fryfrog ?

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praet:

say a drive has a problem, you wouldnt be able to boot into the system because it required raid modules etc

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fryfrog:

sec

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praet:

or does hardware raid take care of that for you

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fryfrog:

praet: ah, i see what you mean

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fryfrog:

praet: in my case, I use raid1 which basically ends up leaving you two identical drives

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fryfrog:

so it is as simple as installing grub on *both* drives, so when one fails you can boot from the other

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praet:

oh i see

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fryfrog:

ShiftyPowers: I have 2x 4 port Sil raid cards which load the drives up each in "JBOD" (well, ie no raid)

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fryfrog:

ShiftyPowers: and I have a built in intel 4 port sata chipset

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fryfrog:

3x 320G drives on each of the pci controllers, 2x 80G on the intel one

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ShiftyPowers:

gotcha

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ShiftyPowers:

how much are the sil cards?

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ShiftyPowers:

must be quite the power supply you have then eh?

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anykey_:

ShiftyPowers: I'm running 6x 250 GB + 3x 400 GB here on an onboard via sata controll plus a promise sata 4 port card, all on a 350w power supply

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ShiftyPowers:

and you just have a ton of molex splitters then?

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ShiftyPowers:

or cable splitters for SATA?

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onewheelskyward:

It never ceases to amaze me that no matter how much space you can put in your system, you'll still find a way to use all of it.

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kgbudz:

definately dont go cheap or under on your power supply

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kgbudz:

if your running a file server

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kgbudz:

get 2 power supplies, 1 for the mobo,cpu

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kgbudz:

and 1 for the hds

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kgbudz:

under powering your system can be fatal

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kgbudz:

it also depends on how many hds

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kgbudz:

im about to build one with 12–16 500gb drives

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kgbudz:

im definately going with 2 power supplies

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kgbudz:

2 dual cores

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kgbudz:

etc

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ferent:

sorry when I execute "/etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend" it ask me for a password

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kgbudz:

what are you trying to do?

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Ryushin:

kgbudz: Why? One 600 watt PS should be enough for a dual core and 12–16 drives.

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ShiftyPowers:

kgbudz, how do you link the powersupplies?

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ShiftyPowers:

so that they turn on at the same time?

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ferent:

what is that password

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ferent:

?

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CyberKnet:

GreyFoxx... you around?

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andr3www:

hey guys ive returned for some more help on my root@localhost issue on ubuntu

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kgbudz:

like i said, underpowering a server can be fatal for it

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kgbudz:

i would rather err on the side of extra power

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kgbudz:

ShiftyPowers, server boards should support 2 p supplies

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fryfrog:

ShiftyPowers: They were like $15 each, I do have a 450W PSU. It is probably overkill though. Think I'd rather have rudundant 300W :)

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kgbudz:

$15 for a ps is not a good sign

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ShiftyPowers:

what was $15 each? the sil cards?

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fryfrog:

ShiftyPowers: yeah, the sil cards

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kgbudz:

ok

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kgbudz:

better :)

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fryfrog:

The only time the HD beats the snot out of a PSU is at spin up

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fryfrog:

kgbudz: usually there is hardware before the psu that supports dual psu

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kgbudz:

possibly

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ShiftyPowers:

hmmmmm, i guess i'm outgrowing my origen x11e case

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fryfrog:

ie, something combines their power and *then* sends it to the motherboard

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GreyFoxx:

CyberKnet: yup, just reading some stuff

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ShiftyPowers:

no more room for drives in my HTPC

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fryfrog:

also depends on how you setup those two psu

[21:52:46]

ShiftyPowers:

and don't want to have another server lying around

[21:53:00]

fryfrog:

if they are *redundant* you'd need something special to handle that (like the thing the 2 PSUs slide into)

[21:53:03]

kgbudz:

lian li makes some great server cases

[21:53:03]

CyberKnet:

GreyFoxx: do you have an updated source for the niveus remote for newer kernels?

[21:53:15]

kgbudz:

which can fit 2 power supplies

[21:53:18]

fryfrog:

if you just have two psus, you can link them easily (2 wires) but they won't be redundant

[21:53:20]

GreyFoxx:

CyberKnet: Yup. I have the one I'm using under 2.6.19.2

[21:53:38]

CyberKnet:

GreyFoxx: any chance you'd feel like putting the source onto phase.org/mythtv ?

[21:54:01]

ShiftyPowers:

and gb/$ sweetspot seems to be 500GB now right?

[21:54:02]

mcquaid:

hello, one of my clients has an issue that can lock it up/reboot randomly. If I using this client to watch live tv, the backend thinks the tuner is still being used if this client crashes

[21:54:02]

CyberKnet:

GreyFoxx: Or is there a better place to get it from?

[21:54:04]

GreyFoxx:

phaze.org/mythtv/ati_remote.c-2.6.19.2

[21:54:08]

kgbudz:

im not even talking about redundant, im putting my power supplies in parallel

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kgbudz:

but thats just me

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kgbudz:

if your just running a few hds ontop of a system

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CyberKnet:

GreyFoxx: Are the changes able to be pushed upstream to the kernel folks, or do your changes break the existing functionality?

[21:54:55]

kgbudz:

1 ps is good

[21:54:59]

mcquaid:

I've had this happen and left it for the day and it never releases the card until i restart the backend. And there isn't anything actually recording but system info reports the tuner in use

[21:55:38]

GreyFoxx:

CyberKnet: my changes work for me, no clue if they break anything for others

[21:56:04]

mcquaid:

the client lockups aren't myth related, I'm troubleshooting that as a separate issue. my concern is the backend thinking the tuner is still in use

[21:56:11]

GreyFoxx:

I'd be very suprised if it didn't break stuff for the other remotes as I didn't put any effort into making sure it played nice

[21:56:23]

andr3www:

$ mysql -u root mysql -p

[21:56:23]

andr3www:

Enter password:

[21:56:23]

andr3www:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)

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CyberKnet:

GreyFoxx: aha. I made an effort last night to port the input_register_device to input_allocate_device... but it turns out I'm not a kernel driver programmer after all

[21:56:58]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[21:57:03]

CyberKnet:

:)

[21:57:14]

CyberKnet:

I thought there was a good chance that you'd have an updated driver

[21:57:21]

GreyFoxx:

I recently moved to 2.6.19.2 so I spent a few minutes porting my changes over. Butr only enough to get mine doing

[21:57:32]

Ryushin:

andr3www: shouldn't it be "mysql -u root -p mythconverg"?

[21:57:38]

CyberKnet:

otherwise I was going to diff the old source I had vs 2.2.2, and then trying to port those changes into the kernel I wanted to use

[21:57:44]

CyberKnet:

I was shuddering at the thought :)

[21:58:01]

CyberKnet:

will my old ati_remote.mod.c suffice?

[21:58:17]

GreyFoxx:

no clue

[21:58:26]

CyberKnet:

I'm using 2.2.3 of your driver.

[21:58:27]

GreyFoxx:

since I have no idea what was in it

[21:58:41]

mcquaid:

I've seen guides regarding streaming of recordings to remote vlc clients with realtime transcoding. Has anyone tried that here?

[21:58:44]

CyberKnet:

oh. I probably got it from somewhere else.

[21:58:45]

CyberKnet:

hmm

[21:58:54]

GreyFoxx:

if you had custom key mappings then they will need to do those manually

[21:59:10]

GreyFoxx:

My niveus is starting to fail, so I might be getting something new soon :)

[21:59:13]

CyberKnet:

Yeah, I expected to have to re-map my keys from your source.

[21:59:17]

mcquaid:

The guides I've seen only mention transcoding mpeg1/2. I wondering does it properly stream/transcode xvid

[21:59:30]

CyberKnet:

GreyFoxx: Hmm.. keep me aprised. I'm very fond of your work. ;)

[21:59:33]

GreyFoxx:

mcquaid: Sure it will

[21:59:40]

mcquaid:

cool

[21:59:49]

GreyFoxx:

I use it for streaming from my house to my office from time to time

[22:00:03]

GreyFoxx:

I just put shellscript wrappers around vlc

[22:00:08]

GreyFoxx:

streamshow blah.avi

[22:00:10]

GreyFoxx:

etc etc

[22:00:12]

mcquaid:

one more thing. Is it only recordings or can I stream other video files that I have in my video directory?

[22:00:30]

GreyFoxx:

well, vlc doesn't care or know the difference

[22:00:33]

mcquaid:

I'd probably mainly stream recordings but other videos could be handy as well

[22:00:43]

GreyFoxx:

are you referring to mythstreamtv the mythweb addon ?

[22:00:47]

mcquaid:

yes

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Gurft:

I didnt' know mythweb could stream...

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mcquaid:

got dropped

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mcquaid:

so your not using mythstream for streaming/transcoding?

[22:02:38]

CyberKnet:

GreyFoxx: Hmm... trying to compile it against 2.6.19–2 and getting a compile error for implicit declaration of function usb_endpoint_is_int_in on line 763

[22:02:44]

GreyFoxx:

Gurft: mythweb in svn can "stream", but that doesn't do any transcoding. previously there was a mythstreamtv web patch that would do it

[22:02:49]

CyberKnet:

wait

[22:02:53]

GreyFoxx:

mcquaid: Correct, I do not use mythstreamtv

[22:02:57]

CyberKnet:

I told you the wrong kernel ver

[22:03:12]

CyberKnet:

2.6.18–1

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GreyFoxx:

I never tried it with that

[22:03:28]

CyberKnet:

I wonder if something changed wrt usb between those two

[22:03:40]

GreyFoxx:

I went from 2.6.12.5 to 2.6.19.2. Only reason I udpated was improved sata support and I got some sata drives for xmas :)

[22:03:51]

CyberKnet:

sweet :)

[22:04:04]

CyberKnet:

My main PC and my myth box are both SATA only now.

[22:04:05]

mcquaid:

ah yes. it was awhile since I read that guide. it mentions mythstreamtv but doesn't actually use it

[22:04:07]

mcquaid:

http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_stream.php

[22:04:40]

GreyFoxx:

mcquaid: I do basically what that page does. I just have it in shellscripts

[22:04:50]

GreyFoxx:

little one liners so I don't have to remember the vlc switches

[22:05:17]

mcquaid:

ah

[22:06:23]

mcquaid:

now how this guide approaches it, you specify the specific file you want to stream. I was hoping for a way to just be able to stream whichever recording I wanted or be able to select to stream a bunch of videos in a certain dir

[22:07:08]

CyberKnet:

hmmmm

[22:07:08]

GreyFoxx:

well, you specific whichever recording you want on the commandline

[22:07:56]

mcquaid:

yes, I see, I guess I thought I wouldn't have to be prepared all the time of which video I know I want access to.

[22:08:09]

andr3www:

can anyone help me with my root@locahost problem? I'm pretty sure my password is blank but it won't let me in

[22:08:21]

GreyFoxx:

There is no difference between picking it in awebinterface or telling the script

[22:08:28]

GreyFoxx:

either way you are choosing and telling it what you want to see

[22:08:30]

mcquaid:

Thinking of a scenario, I at a friends and on the spur of the moment talking about a few videos I have, I'd like to be able to play whichever ones at whim

[22:08:40]

Gurft:

andr3www: What distro?

[22:08:47]

andr3www:

ubuntu

[22:08:49]

andr3www:

im a noob :)

[22:08:58]

GreyFoxx:

mcquaid: then you login and run vlc streaming the one you have chosen in your whim

[22:08:58]

Gurft:

sudo su – root

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andr3www:

ok

[22:09:13]

Gurft:

andr3www: sudo su – root (Enter your password)

[22:09:17]

GreyFoxx:

mcquaid: It doesn't have to be done before hand

[22:09:19]

andr3www:

ok

[22:09:27]

Gurft:

andr3www: then type ' passwd ' and reset root's password

[22:09:28]

GreyFoxx:

you can login and run it when you want it choosing the video at that time

[22:09:40]

GreyFoxx:

Or you can use the vlc web interface to add a video to be streamed

[22:09:49]

Gurft:

In ubuntu you can't directly log in as root, you must sudo su – root if you want a real root shell...

[22:09:52]

GreyFoxx:

though I have never used the web interface to actually do that

[22:09:54]

mcquaid:

ok cool

[22:09:58]

andr3www:

oh I'm sorry that's not what I meant

[22:10:04]

mcquaid:

gotta play around with this

[22:10:07]

Gurft:

andr3www: what are you tryign to do?

[22:10:13]

juski:

damn extra slash in my rsync

[22:10:13]

andr3www:

$ mysql -u root mysql -p

[22:10:13]

andr3www:

Enter password:

[22:10:13]

andr3www:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)

[22:10:25]

CyberKnet:

GreyFoxx: Hmmm... yep. compiles against 2.6.19 just fine here too, so the difference must be between the two kernels. :|

[22:10:33]

andr3www:

I'm trying to follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Edgy . . . tend_Desktop

[22:10:47]

juski:

andr3www: mysql -l root -p

[22:10:58]

GreyFoxx:

mcquaid: One thing I like to do is use vlc to multicast stuff at work, so several others can login and watch the single stream

[22:11:00]

juski:

or if there's no password, mysql -u root

[22:11:04]

GreyFoxx:

or I should say connect, not login

[22:11:18]

Gurft:

andr3www: or even better, sudo su – root, then just type 'mysql'

[22:11:42]

andr3www:

root@andrew-desktop:/media# mysql

[22:11:42]

andr3www:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)

[22:11:44]

mcquaid:

i guess as well, I've never really manually selected files from the myth recordings. How do you know what your actually choosing from the nuv files?

[22:11:56]

mcquaid:

yes, multicasting sounds cool as well

[22:12:03]

Gurft:

andr3www: hrm... that's... odd

[22:12:10]

andr3www:

yes I'm purplexed

[22:12:12]

juski:

mcquaid: you know with some mysql-fu ;)

[22:13:01]

juski:

mcquaid: the filename consists of 2 parts which makes it unique: 1 – the chanid & 2 – the start time

[22:13:14]

andr3www:

I tried my account passwords, and the random one it made for mythtv

[22:13:37]

juski:

so you take the chanid (4 digits) and the start time & select from the recorded table :)

[22:13:46]

CyberKnet:

GreyFoxx: do you know if usb_endpoint_is_int_in was added in 2.6.19?

[22:13:49]

GreyFoxx:

mcquaid: I use mysql to find out.

[22:13:50]

GreyFoxx:

echo "select title,subtitle,basename from recorded; " | ~mysql/bin/mysql -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg

[22:13:57]

GreyFoxx:

That returns the shownames and filenames

[22:14:13]

GreyFoxx:

or you can run one of the things that makes "pretty" file names that have the shows title in the filename

[22:14:18]

GreyFoxx:

CyberKnet: nope

[22:14:31]

juski:

mythrename.pl --link $somedir – ftw :)

[22:14:46]

GreyFoxx:

CyberKnet: I literaly just sat done, diffed my one against 2.6.19.2 and manually put stuff in

[22:14:57]

GreyFoxx:

worked it until it compiled and ran

[22:15:08]

andr3www:

any suggestions?

[22:15:14]

juski:

anyway.. time for me to go.. something about a .. ahem.. well ...

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mcquaid:

cool. thx

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CyberKnet:

diffed your driver vs the driver in 2.6.19.2 ?

[22:16:07]

GreyFoxx:

correct

[22:16:23]

GreyFoxx:

and worked in the major bits, tweaked and changed as needed

[22:16:38]

CyberKnet:

I'll take a look at a diff of the driver in 2.6.18 and 2.6.19 ... maybe that will give me some insight

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mcquaid:

i guess my last question is how intensive typically is streaming/transcoding?

[22:19:16]

mcquaid:

my concern being local clients and any recording/viewing going on locally

[22:19:40]

CyberKnet:

Hmm... yep. Looks like Luiz Fernando N. Capitulino added the ip_endpoint_* functions into usage for 2.6.19

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xris:

CyberKnet: long time no see

[22:20:18]

pm_:

hi xris

[22:20:36]

pm_:

trying to run nuvexport as a user job

[22:20:56]

xris:

pm_: I don't know anything about the user job syntax, but nuvexport itself is fairly straightforward as far as the cli goes

[22:21:01]

mchang:

mcquaid: streaming to another front end is very low impact on my box (athlon64 3200+)

[22:21:17]

mchang:

mcquaid: does not interfere with anything... transcoding, though, on the same box, can be tough

[22:21:38]

mcquaid:

yeah i would suspect so. I'll play around and do some tests

[22:21:56]

mchang:

pm_: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 0job;#139290

[22:22:06]

gardengnome:

there's something about user jobs in the wiki

[22:22:17]

mcquaid:

in the guide i pasted, it mentions using the vlc http interface to be able to choose the videos you want

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mcquaid:

but in this line, I don't see where it's specifying a directory of the videos

[22:22:44]

pm_:

I installed the mythexport script from the wiki, but I am getting this error: "Can't call method "prepare" on an undefined value at /usr/local/share/nuvexport/nuv_export/ui.pm line 63"

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mcquaid:

in the guide it mentions using the scale cmd for transcoding which indicates a % for the size of the original file.

[22:25:42]

mcquaid:

is there any way to cap it by bandwidth? I wanted to say cap streams to 40K for example

[22:25:52]

GreyFoxx:

that's what the bitrate is for

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mcquaid:

ok makes sense. didn't see mention of bitrate. I'd think you'd use one or the other, like wouldn't setting the bitrate override scale?

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nn:

anyone know where to find ir blasters (for a replay) cheap? :)

[22:28:59]

GreyFoxx:

mcquaid: no

[22:29:10]

GreyFoxx:

scale is for scaling the resoluytion, nothing to do with bitrate

[22:29:16]

mcquaid:

ah

[22:29:29]

mcquaid:

i'll brush up on transcode

[22:31:41]

pm_:

mchang: using that method gives me the same error. I can run nuvexport without extra commands. When I add a file from CLI I am getting the error...

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xris:

pm_: sorry for being afk, too many things going on at work

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mcquaid:

hmm, i ssh'd into my myth box and used the example in the guide on a specific video but getting

[22:36:28]

mcquaid:

Error: Unable to initialize gtk, is DISPLAY set properly?

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pm_:

no problem, work is somehow more important I guess :-)

[22:36:33]

xris:

if you're getting that error, it sounds like something's not installed properly. got a link for this mythexport script?

[22:38:34]

xris:

yeah, and a messy script, too.

[22:38:40]

xris:

how did you install nuvexport?

[22:38:53]

xris:

nn: irblaster.info?

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pm_:

make install I guess

[22:39:07]

xris:

pm_: from mythtv svn or from forevermore.net?

[22:39:19]

pm_:

from mythtv-svn

[22:39:30]

pm_:

running mythtv-svn too

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** CyberKnet updates to FC6 to see if that will buy him an atrpms compatible 2.6.19 **

[22:40:22]

xris:

pm_: it's a bug.

[22:40:41]

xris:

put a ticket in at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/newticket/ and I'll try to fix it tonight.

[22:41:37]

pm_:

xris: btw a few days ago protocol version in the perl bindings wasn't correct either (I guess it was at 32, where mythtv is at 33)

[22:42:01]

xris:

Captain_Murdoch probably forgot to bump them.

[22:42:17]

xris:

and I've been too busy mucking with mythweb and channel icon lookup to notice.

[22:42:40]

xris:

feel free to put in a ticket about that, too.

[22:42:40]

pm_:

channle icon lookup works very nice over here btw

[22:42:44]

xris:

cool

[22:42:47]

pm_:

nice app!

[22:43:06]

xris:

I can't wait until it's integrated into the frontend and/or mythweb

[22:44:13]

jd86:

Is it possible to "clean up" frontend menus? it has some of the items twice and one isunaccessible

[22:44:13]

kgbudz:

hey xris, my listings in mythweb show NO DATA

[22:44:24]

kgbudz:

i cleared out my program table and reloaded it yesterday via mythfilldb

[22:44:30]

pm_:

I was wondering however, when I run it once and commit to mythtv.org (last step), would it be that the next time I run it I don't have to look up all those channels?

[22:44:30]

Ryushin:

kgbudz: http://www.fukung.net/v/537/disksvin.jpg

[22:44:32]

kgbudz:

you know whats up?

[22:44:46]

kgbudz:

nice

[22:44:56]

xris:

pm_: as soon as someone processes the submissions, yes.

[22:45:12]

kgbudz:

Ryushin, how big is the fs?

[22:45:32]

xris:

it's hard to tell from the channel info (dvb ids, etc) that things are correct, so I'm waiting for more data before I approve a bunch of stuff

[22:45:56]

xris:

a lot of people have been submitting bad matches for things (like the "cw" logo for cw network channels instead of the actual network channel itself)

[22:46:50]

andr3www:

does anyone know how I can reset my mysql passwords?

[22:46:53]

pm_:

I think I have to wait a very long time in this little country ;-)

[22:47:02]

kormoc:

andr3www, google does

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andr3www:

...

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pm_:

however, works very very fast, about 1/2 hour for 200 somewhat channels...

[22:47:33]

kgbudz:

andr3www, search google on it

[22:47:35]

xris:

pm_: what country?

[22:47:35]

kgbudz:

its not too hard

[22:47:41]

pm_:

netherlands

[22:48:07]

xris:

shouldn't be too bad as long as you have xmltvid fields.

[22:48:13]

xris:

I just went and approved a bunch of them

[22:48:19]

kgbudz:

i think xris is ignoring me

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xris:

kgbudz: not intentionally. just doing too many things at once

[22:48:42]

kgbudz:

its cool

[22:48:43]

xris:

kgbudz: do you have any data in the program table?

[22:48:47]

kgbudz:

yup

[22:48:53]

kgbudz:

mythtv is showing listings correctly...

[22:49:40]

kgbudz:

i restarted apache, rebooted, reinstalled mythweb

[22:49:50]

xris:

kgbudz: mythweb should, too. is it displaying the correct date?

[22:50:12]

kgbudz:

yes

[22:51:26]

xris:

weird.

[22:51:37]

kgbudz:

yup

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xris:

upcoming recordings page work?

[22:52:07]

kgbudz:

ya

[22:52:17]

kgbudz:

is there any sort of caching?

[22:52:27]

kgbudz:

or temporary stuff?

[22:53:11]

pm_:

xris: problem is that a few xmltv-grabbers over here use different xmltvids ( I think we need to change that...)

[22:53:39]

xris:

kgbudz: not like that, no

[22:53:58]

kgbudz:

ok, if you have any ideas, pm me

[22:53:59]

xris:

pm_: the system just looks at the string.

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xris:

kgbudz: short of truncating program and channel, and starting over from scratch, I have no clue

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kgbudz:

i might do that...

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kgbudz:

thanks

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pm_:

I mean one grabber uses eg. 23.tvgids.nl, the other uses plain 1

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xris:

pm_: yeah, that's odd. the first one is the "correct" format

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pm_:

plain 23 in that example i mean...

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xris:

oh, just the number 23?

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xris:

yeah, that'll get rejected

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pm_:

xris: thanks for the help, ticket is posted!

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xris:

but the dvb id or whatever should kick in at that point

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xris:

pm_: I see it, thanks

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pm_:

Yes should work that way

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xris:

pm_: callsigns, too

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pm_:

callsigns are problematic over here

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xris:

I know they're not used much in europe, but if they're accurate enough, they'll work

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pm_:

noone uses them

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pm_:

If I scan for dvb channels callsigns get populated with the full names

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pm_:

that is with spaces in between. Would they count too?

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pm_:

or... we could engage everyone to use callsigns

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mchang:

pm_: sorry ....

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pm_:

sorry?

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mchang:

pm_: had to step away (re: nuvexport)

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pm_:

ok. xris found out it was a bug! Thanks for helping me out

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pm_:

anyone has experience with transcoding (or replexing) h.264 content?

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jd86:

I love how bttv and ivtv fight for who gets video0...

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onewheelskyward:

We're all in trouble now. I just downloaded the svn version of myth.

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xris:

pm_: you could auto-generate a cutlist

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xris:

but I don't think you'd want to do that on the off chance that the pre or post didn't happen

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pm_:

I wouldn't mind doing it by hand. But how does mythtv handles h.264 video?

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pm_:

Because I want it to stay h.264

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cesman:

hello hello

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onewheelskyward:

hi hi

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