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Sunday, March 11th, 2007, 00:01 UTC

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Tanthrix:

I've correctly updated all of that but when I check my recordings for after March 11th everything is still off by an hour.

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Tanthrix:

So as far as I can tell this can mean two things. A) Something isn't right. or B)Myth uses the current time for all times displayed and such, so when the change actually happens everything will be as it should be.

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cheeseboy:

juski just went to eat dinner

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cheeseboy:

miss me?

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Tanthrix:

(And I did check the forum first before coming here to bug people, for the record ;)

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jd86:

Tanthrix, I'm also curious about that, I just updated my timezone data, hopefully it'll work right

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Tanthrix:

Alright, I'm a liar.

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Tanthrix:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/255862

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Tanthrix:

Just didn't look hard enough ;)

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Tanthrix:

jd86: So it looks like we're fine. Did you confirm that your timezone was updated properly?

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cheeseboy:

i still cant figure out this remote thing :(

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jd86:

Tanthrix, i'm still going through all of my machines doing it, I might have a problem when i copied instead of linked /etc/localtime, but I plan on checking soon — i think zdump will tell, right?

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Tanthrix:

Running date --date="Mar 10 15:00:00 UTC 2007" and then date --date="Mar 11 15:00:00 UTC 2007" is also a good way to check.

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Tanthrix:

If everything is fixed the output will be an hour apart.

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Tanthrix:

zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007 works as well.

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jd86:

yeah they all seem to be good here :)

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Tanthrix:

Nifty.

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Tanthrix:

Well, all my systems are done now as well.

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Tanthrix:

At work we get the joy of dealing with 100+ systems running Outlook.

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Tanthrix:

MS in their infinite wisdom decided to hard code in times for their calendar appointments or some such thing, so on top of patching windows an app needs to be run to manually go through everyone's calendars and push the times forward 1 hour.

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Tanthrix:

For exchange mailboxes as well.

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Tanthrix:

Such fun.

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Tanthrix:

Well, I must be off. Thanks for everyone's help.

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jd86:

only one tv in my house doesn't have myth :)

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Zider:

same here

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Zider:

(I have 2 tvs) ;)

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jd86:

lol

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jd86:

i have a total of 4 frontends

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Zider:

I have one

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Zider:

one combined FE/BE

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Zider:

don't need more :)

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gbee:

jd86: mythmusic working now?

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jd86:

gbee, still compiling, now this is a slower machine 1.8 p4 (older p4)

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Zider:

altho, my mythbackend doesn't start anymore.. some database table is crapped or summat..

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Zider:

but I don't use it anyhow

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gbee:

ahh, ok – well it should work but I just thought I'd check anyway

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jd86:

gbee, well it shouldn't be long...

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jd86:

its doing weather

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jd86:

and i'm assuming alphabetical?

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jd86:

done

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jd86:

now i'm configuring it (where i could not before) so it must be good

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jd86:

but I'm wondering why i cannot find any cd-writer devices

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cheeseboy:

will

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cheeseboy:

anyone setup remote for me?

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jd86:

must be that I don't have cdrecord

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Zider:

hmm.. mythtv-themes shouldn't be needed for a backend-only, right?

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jd86:

cheeseboy, whats the problem

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cheeseboy:

im dumb

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GreyFoxx:

Zider: Correct

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cheeseboy:

:(

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Zider:

GreyFoxx: hum, strange.. the mythtv ebuild wants to install it, even with the "backendonly" use flag :P

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jd86:

Zider, i don't know how supported backendonly was, I thought somewhere I read it was just best to let it do the whole thing.

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jd86:

but then again, I could be wrong

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Zider:

well, I guess I can unmerge it afterwards.. :P

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cheeseboy:

i still don't get how to do this

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jd86:

Zider, well if you really don't want it you can probably put it in your package.provided

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jd86:

but i don't know if it is neeeded or anything

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Zider:

jd86: it's after mythtv in the list.. so I assume it's not needed..

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GreyFoxx:

people really shouldn't be using the backendonly/frontend only stuff

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Zider:

GreyFoxx: what should people use then?

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GreyFoxx:

Install the whole thing. By than I mean all of "mythtv". The plugins or themes are another matter

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Zider:

it seems excessive for just the backend

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Zider:

maybe that's just me

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GreyFoxx:

the frontonly etc compile are are for porting and such, not to minimize anything

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GreyFoxx:

Zider: Uhhhh how so? You save 1 meg of space on your drive?

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GreyFoxx:

Remember, I'm not talking about the plugins or themes

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Zider:

GreyFoxx: the frontend is that small?

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GreyFoxx:

mythtv@woop:~$ ls -la `which mythfrontend`

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GreyFoxx:

-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1443336 2007-03–04 14:43 /usr/local/bin/mythfrontend

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GreyFoxx:

1.4 megs

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GreyFoxx:

It just links to the exact same libraries that you need for mytbackend

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Zider:

yeah but there must be more belonging to the frontend than just that file, right?

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Zider:

mkay

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GreyFoxx:

everything is in the libmyth* libraries, and you need them for the backend and other backend tools

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Zider:

I see

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GreyFoxx:

I can see not installing extra themes for a backend only machine though

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gurft:

You know, I can't see many myth related issues with DST is spring.. but what about in the fall? Is it recommended to shut down for the night ?

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jd86:

ah mythmusic :)

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gurft:

when the time goes backwards?

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cheeseboy:

anybody/

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gurft:

cheeseboy: i never saw your question...

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Zider:

I'm moving the backend part over to my ws/server, since it won't start on the mythbox anyhow, and the ws/server already has firewire in case I'd get a digibox :P

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Zider:

can't be arsed to go into mysql-fixing-mode ;)

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cheeseboy:

gruff i cant get remote to work with mythtv

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cheeseboy:

icreated thefile

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gurft:

what kind of remote?

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cheeseboy:

happuage grey remote

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cheeseboy:

works with lirc

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cheeseboy:

just cant get workin on mythtv

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mike3_:

cheeseboy What's the model # on the back?

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mike3_:

oh you got it working

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gurft:

I'm assuming you created a lircrc file in /home/<mythtvuser>/.mythtv

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gurft:

and that lircrc is readable by the user that the frontend runs as <mythtvuser>

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cheeseboy:

hey finally mike3_

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cheeseboy:

ive been waitin all day

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mike3_:

haha

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mike3_:

sorry bro

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mike3_:

Had some stuff I had to do today.

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mike3_:

you get your audio in sync?

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cheeseboy:

i got remote to work with lirc

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cheeseboy:

well i did but themn my comp froze and couldnt do it again

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cheeseboy:

mike3_ can you finish it for me?

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mike3_:

throw up vnc

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mike3_:

yes it's me

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juski:

mmm

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juski:

rudeness

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cheeseboy:

mike3_?

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ratbert90:

grrr

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ratbert90:

could someone please explain to me why lirc complains that there is no linux-kernel-sources, even when I apt-get them?

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ratbert90:

and extract them, and link to them

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mike3_:

ratbert90, you gotta extract the sources and make a symbolic link to it

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mike3_:

ubuntu eh?

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** mike3_ made pasta.. WHOA WHOA **

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cheeseboy:

mike3_

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mike3_:

hey

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cheeseboy:

all rebootisized

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mike3_:

k

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monkeyBox:

Has anyone ever tried using the soundcard for a homebrew IR receiver?

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monkeyBox:

I've gotten far enough to where I can detect IR signals using arecord, but I can't seem to get lirc (irrecord) working.

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monkeyBox:

I get this error when running irrecord: "could not init hardware"

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cheeseboy:

got something odd going on here...... lirc is started and when testing the remote it works fantastic. I see that #1 on the controller is matching the lircd.conf file and I have the lircrc in my .mythtv directory which matches the button to lircd.conf but it doesn't work along with the other numbers. It seems that myth isn't reading the lircrc file..... Any ideas?

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Zider:

hum.. where do I set the backend IP in mythtv? can't seem to find it..

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GreyFoxx:

mythtv-setup

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Zider:

I thought that was for configuring the backend?

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GreyFoxx:

It's where you tell mythbackend and mythfrontend where to find the master backend aswell

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Zider:

ah

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GreyFoxx:

Though if your frontend can access the database of an existing setup you shouldn't need to run it

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GreyFoxx:

it should already find the Masterbackend IP value which was previously set when you setup the backend

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Zider:

well, I've just set up a backend on my ws, and want to make the frontend aware of it

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Zider:

partly because the backend on the mythbox is wacked :P

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GreyFoxx:

As long as the frontend can access the same database that backend is using it should find it

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Zider:

it's on different boxes

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GreyFoxx:

yes, but you only use a single mysql database

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Zider:

no?

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GreyFoxx:

You do not need a seperate mysql datrabase per machine :)

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Zider:

I might not NEED, but I HAVE..

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Zider:

:P

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GreyFoxx:

then you need to rectify that

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Zider:

I need the frontend to be working even if the backend is unavailable

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GreyFoxx:

Then place MySQL on a box that is always running

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Zider:

or rather, the mythbox should work (minus tv stuff I guess) without access to the ws

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GreyFoxx:

"ws" ?

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Zider:

it's not about "always running", it's about not always accessible over network

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Zider:

workstation

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Zider:

or, workstation/server/whatever

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GreyFoxx:

Your mysql database, wherever it is location, must always be available or the frontend will not work, period.

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GreyFoxx:

And if your frontend/backend are regularly getting disconnected, but still actually running you hjave a problem since there is no accounting for that scenario in the way myth works

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Zider:

the frontend has mysql on the mythbox, and the backend has mysql on the ws, isn't that enough?

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GreyFoxx:

no

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Zider:

crap

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GreyFoxx:

they must have the same data

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Zider:

so I really have to get that bloody thing working then

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GreyFoxx:

Otherwise the backend would have recordings the frontend would never know of since the frontends DB wouldn;t have any info about them

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GreyFoxx:

and loads of other issues

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Zider:

I wonder if webmin can administer databases on other boxes..

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** GreyFoxx goes in search of food **

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gurft:

Who would I talk to about some wierd mytharchive stuff.

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cheeseboy:

hi

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cheeseboy:

can someone helpme with remote?

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cheeseboy:

" lircd daemon isn't closing off when mythtv launches. It just kills the process. That's why your remote won't work."

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cheeseboy:

how do i fix that?

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gurft:

What version of lirc?

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cheeseboy:

lirc-0.8.1pre2

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gurft:

Any particular reason you're running the prerelease version?

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gurft:

and not the production version of 0.8.1?

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cheeseboy:

the tut told me to

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gurft:

what kind of remote do you have?

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cheeseboy:

happuage grey remote

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gurft:

Okay, are you also trying to get the IR blaster working off teh hauppauge card, or JUST the remote?

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cheeseboy:

um..

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gurft:

do you need to change channels on another TV Tuner, or just want your remote to work?

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cheeseboy:

just want remote to work

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xris:

anyone here have any custom user jobs configured?

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jams:

xris- yep

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xris:

can you tell me if you get any data from this query? http://pastebin.ca/389980

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xris:

it should just the number and name of any configured jobs.

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jams:

one moment

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jams:

pastebin is being slow

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jams:

http://pastebin.ca/389984

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jams:

the answer is yes

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jams:

those are also the correct values =)

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xris:

cool, thanks

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groOgle:

Any Australian DVB-T users around?

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jams:

np

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gurft_:

Anyone know why I just get pages of 'video PTS inconsistent' when mytharchive is trying to transcode a vob for a DVD?

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cheeseboy:

gruft any ideas?

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gurft_:

sorry, I got dropped for a few minutes there.

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gurft_:

Cheeseboy: I would try using a production version of lirc, compiling it and getting it running

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gurft_:

then go from there..... you don't really know what's broken becuae you're using a pre-release version of lirc.

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cheeseboy:

ok

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** groOgle widens his serach. **

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groOgle:

*Any* DVB-T users around?

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gurft_:

Okay, this is weird. for all the funny errors/etc. I got from mplex... dvdauthor is now writing the DVD... this should be... special...

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HaDAk:

when configuring mythweb, i get an error: Please install the MySQL libraries for PHP.

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HaDAk:

so i apt-get install php5-mysql and get the same error.

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HaDAk:

suggestions?

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gurft_:

HaDAk: Create a file called phpinfo.php

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Dagmar:

Learn more about your package manager

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gurft_:

in your web root directory

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gurft_:

in it put: <? phpinfo() ?>

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Dagmar:

That's just weird

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gurft_:

then view it in your web browser and see if mysql support is listed in teh parameters

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Dagmar:

OH. I see what you're doing now

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HaDAk:

http://hadak.homelinux.com/phpinfo.php

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cheeseboy:

thank you gruft that fixed it :)

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gurft_:

Yea it looks like mysql support isn't in the version of php that's installed.

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gurft_:

HaDAK; what distro are you running

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HaDAk:

i did an apt-get install php5

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HaDAk:

edgy

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gurft_:

cheeseboy: Cool beans.

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gurft_:

HaDAk: let me check mine, I'm also running edgy

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HaDAk:

ty

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Dagmar:

Ubunty Ouchy

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gurft_:

PHP Version 4.4.2–1.1 is what I have running

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gurft_:

on my Edgy system, and mythweb runs fine.

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gurft_:

let me refresh your phpinfo

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gurft_:

hang on

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gurft_:

did you cycle apache?

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HaDAk:

ugh

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HaDAk:

bear with.

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** HaDAk is drinking. **

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HaDAk:

it's restarted

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HaDAk:

hrm.

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HaDAk:

still says php5

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gurft_:

Yea...

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HaDAk:

Package php5 is not installed, so not removed

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HaDAk:

wth

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gurft_:

look in your httpd.conf and see which addtype handler is configured.

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gurft_:

you may need to change it to reflect the php4 version of the module...

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HaDAk:

# This is here for backwards compatability reasons and to support

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HaDAk:

# installing 3rd party modules directly via apxs2, rather than

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HaDAk:

# through the /etc/apache2/mods-{available,enabled} mechanism.

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HaDAk:

#

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HaDAk:

#LoadModule mod_placeholder /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_placeholder.so

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jams:

is mysql enabled in php.ini?

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HaDAk:

i dunno jams. i just did an apt-get.

[02:40:12]

HaDAk:

it appears so tho

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gurft_:

HaDAk, do you have an /etc/apache2/mods-available/php4*

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HaDAk:

i just tried going back to php5

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HaDAk:

since it's apparent that the issue isn't php5

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gurft_:

It could be that php5 for ubuntu doesn't have mysql support built into it... although it would surprise me.

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HaDAk:

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HaDAk:

AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .php3

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HaDAk:

AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps

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HaDAk:

</IfModule>

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HaDAk:

that's my php5.conf file

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gurft_:

and theres a php5.load file also

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HaDAk:

LoadModule php5_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so

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gurft_:

okay, now in the /etc/php5 directory

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gurft_:

do you ahve a php.ini file?

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HaDAk:

i have an apache2 directory.

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HaDAk:

and inside that is a php.ini file

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gurft_:

yes, sorry

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HaDAk:

ok.

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gurft_:

are there entries in there for mysql?

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HaDAk:

i see several references to mysql. what am i looking for in particular?

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gurft_:

there may be differences in getting the mysql pieces to load...

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HaDAk:

i can switch back to php4.

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gurft_:

I actually ahve to bail for the night, have to be up in 5 hours for my shift on DST watch for failing apps

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HaDAk:

ugh, alright. thanks.

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gurft_:

but I would switch back to php4, make sure phpinfo shows version 4 is running

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gurft_:

and THEN check phpinfo for mysql support under teh 'dbx' section

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knowledgejunkie_:

groOgle: yes (UK)

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gurft_:

once you ahve that, mythweb should operate.

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HaDAk:

it switched back, but it still says 5

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HaDAk:

ugh

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groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: I'm having trouble setting up channels. I'm here in .au, and our grabbers are a bit funny.

[02:49:33]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: But my understanding is that this info should come from channels.conf, right?

[02:50:50]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: The only problem is, the channels.conf appears to be empty :-(

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** groOgle relaizes he's answering his own questions. **

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groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: I see in the UK lists things like this:

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groOgle:

s4c2.s4c.co.uk|1766|S4C2|http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/logo/tv/ss/s4c.jpg

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groOgle:

And yes, I meant channel_ids, not channels.conf.

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cheeseboy:

whats the name of the cord to go from soundcard to tv?

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knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: I maintain that file :)

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cheeseboy:

anyone know?

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groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: Great!

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knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: your channels.conf is probably empty because you have not configured your grabber

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groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: Then you can tell me what the fields mean, or point me to the docco.

[02:56:13]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: Ah, OK.

[02:56:16]

** groOgle checks. **

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knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: the file header explains what each of the fields is used for

[02:57:14]

groOgle:

ERROR: can't find DataSet for Adelaide – freesd

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groOgle:

:-(

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knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: 'grabbername --configure'?

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groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: Yup.

[02:58:21]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: The _au grabbers are a little funny. Let me dig a bit.

[02:59:48]

knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: bear in mind I maintain the UK channels, not the AU ones. I'll have a look at XMLTV CVS

[03:00:32]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: Understood.

[03:00:51]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: It looks as if it's really a problem with Adelaide. For Sydney I get results.

[03:01:11]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: And the tv_grab_au stuff isn't in the base xmltv.

[03:01:46]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: There are at least two different versions, and it's not clear what bugs they have.

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Solv:

I'm having trouble linking the epg guide data from shepherds output to my detected channels in mythtv, if i import the channels.conf file into mythtv, i get epg data, but there is no frequencies set for those channels so it is useless...but if I try to use the same XMLTV ID info in the channels that mythtv has already setup, no info appears in the epg! Not sure what I have to do know to make it work

[03:05:47]

Solv:

know=now

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groOgle:

Solv: Yes, that's my main problem too.

[03:07:48]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: And tv_grab_uk_rt gives me a tv_grab_uk_rt.conf file that only has the names of the channels, not any DVB information.

[03:07:57]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: Where does the DVB info come from?

[03:08:30]

knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: have you seen http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Australian_TV_Listings

[03:08:31]

Solv:

groOgle, the only thing I can think of doing is finding where mythtv store the frequency info for the channels, and manually putting it into the imported channels

[03:09:59]

knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: the DVB info comes either scanning within mythtv or importing a channels.conf file generated from scan

[03:10:12]

knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: connecting xmltv to it is another process in itself

[03:10:25]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: I've seen it now. Thanks.

[03:10:29]

knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: this is why configuring xmltv can be a real pain

[03:10:43]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: I have a guide data supplier set up. The only real issue is finding the channels.

[03:11:00]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: So it looks like the scan within MythTV is the way to try next.

[03:11:04]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: Thanks.

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cheeseboy:

anyone?

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HaDAk:

anyone, what?

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knowledgejunkie:

cheeseboy: 3.5mm -> stereo phono?

[03:14:11]

cheeseboy:

kno what the cord that goes from soundcard to tv is called?

[03:14:14]

Zider:

what might the problem be if I get "QSqlQuery::exec: database not open" when I try to start the backend?

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Solv:

shepherd creates a channels.conf file with no actual dvb information, just xmltv ID's....what i don't understand is why i can't use the id names it creates and then get the epg info that is in output.xmltv? for istance abc.free.au is the id it uses for ABC, and that is linked to the channel name ABC in mythtv...however the ABC it is linked to has no frequency data...but when I run mythtv channel scan, it comes up with an ABC that does work...s

[03:15:47]

Solv:

cheeseboy, 3.5mm stereo jack to stereo rca

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knowledgejunkie:

Solv: channels.conf can be a misleading filename. It is produced by scan when scanning a DVB-{T,C,S} source for channels. I'm guessing your grabber also uses it for configuring itself?

[03:17:01]

knowledgejunkie:

Solv: Or sometimes a stereo Y-cable

[03:17:48]

jd86:

Six Feet Under "Untitled": High Quality (exit status 242, job status was "Starting") what could this mean?

[03:18:29]

Solv:

knowledgejunkie, yeah i think that's true...i guess i'm just trying to figure out how to tell the channels that mythtv-setup scans and finds to use the xml data that shepherd collects...

[03:19:40]

knowledgejunkie:

Solv: Are you running the grabber manually?

[03:19:50]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: I'm pretty sure Solv's and my problem are the same.

[03:20:17]

knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: they sound like they are

[03:20:36]

Solv:

knowledgejunkie, yes, because mythtv-setup can't do it, it segfaults while trying to grab the data...so i'm running mythfilldatabase --file 1 7 output.xmltv

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groOgle:

Solv: Exactly.

[03:21:37]

groOgle:

Solv: Where are you located?

[03:21:44]

groOgle:

Solv: And what tuner are you using?

[03:21:45]

Solv:

broken hill australia

[03:21:55]

Solv:

technisat airstar 2

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groOgle:

Solv: Does that count as NSW regional or SA regional?

[03:22:06]

Solv:

SA regional

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knowledgejunkie:

Solv: use the channel editor – insert the XMLTV IDs for the working channels, which are likely missing them

[03:22:28]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: Which column is that?

[03:22:50]

Solv:

knowledgejunkie, yeah i did that...but it doesn't do anything!....do i need to put the file with the xmltv ids in a specific dir?

[03:23:24]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: xmltvid?

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Solv:

knowledgejunkie, in this case it is called channels.conf

[03:23:55]

knowledgejunkie:

Solv: only if you're running automatically from mythtv – if running manually the grabber from cron etc you just need to specify the location in the grab command

[03:24:02]

groOgle:

| 1001 | | NULL | 1 | ABC-SA |

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knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: you have no channum

[03:24:45]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: As I said.

[03:25:34]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: Where should I get it from?

[03:26:27]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: I'd expect it to be more important to have freqid set.

[03:26:43]

knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: even for other video sources, so they only appear once in the EPG (callsign must also match)

[03:27:23]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: OK. But there's more than just frequency to a DVB stream.

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knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: freqid is for analog tuners

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groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: Understood.

[03:27:39]

knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: you want to make sure mplexid and serviceid is set

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groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: Nope :-(

[03:28:08]

knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: that ties in with the dtv_multiplex table

[03:28:29]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: That's empty.

[03:28:46]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: It seems that I'm missing some crucial bit of information.

[03:28:51]

knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: I read on the wiki that if you import your DVB channels from channels.conf generated by scan, you need to them delete your channels in the channel editor, then re-scan them.

[03:28:59]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: I can run (dvb)scan and get all the info.

[03:29:07]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: Heh. Just what I was going to say.

[03:29:18]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: OK, I'll shut up until I've read that page through.

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Zider:

wooo, backend starts now :D

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Zider:

o/

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knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: when you import your dvbscan channels.conf, your multiplex table *and* channels should be configured. all you should have to do then is add the valid XMLTVIDs to each channel definition

[03:32:37]

Solv:

this is doing my head in

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jd86:

Alright, i set on both of my backends to only do transcoding jobs on origionating host...

[03:34:05]

jd86:

but its still trying to run on other backend...

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knowledgejunkie:

Solv: if you shutdown the front/backend, and enter mythtv-setup channel editor, do you see two (or more) copies of each channel?

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Solv:

knowledgejunkie, yep..there is the ones that myth discoverd and that have frequency data (ie they work when i watch tv) and there are the ones listed in the 'channels.conf' that shepherd creates

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Solv:

and they have no freq data....but the epg guide is connected to those ones

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jd86:

is it 10:39PM or 11:39PM?

[03:40:21]

Solv:

so for instance ABC which myth discovers is listed and is connected the the video source i called 'australia', but the ABC that shepherd creates is not connected to a video source (unassigned)

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groOgle:

Solv: Can you send me a dump of your channels table?

[03:40:58]

Solv:

sure...where is it located?

[03:41:17]

groOgle:

Solv: In the database.

[03:41:36]

Solv:

groOgle, yeah i don't know how to use mysql...so that is gonna be a problem!

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groOgle:

Solv: mysqldump mythconverg channel | mail mythgroog@lemis.com

[03:42:55]

groOgle:

Solv: Just enter that and it should go straight out.

[03:43:05]

groOgle:

Solv: Assuming the box has mail set up, of course.

[03:44:54]

knowledgejunkie:

Solv: for each non-working channel that shepherd has associated with an ID, copy that ID to a copy with configured frequency etc.

[03:45:28]

knowledgejunkie:

Solv: I'm guessing this is what gro0gle might do for you if you can send your channels table

[03:46:03]

knowledgejunkie:

Solv: send it to me too if you like as I'm interested – knowledgejunkie at gmail dot com

[03:46:09]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: Something like that.

[03:46:16]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: I'm trying to understand why we have such trouble with this issue in Oz.

[03:47:49]

knowledgejunkie:

gro0gle: I'm hoping the new services.mythtv.org server will sort all of this out

[03:48:16]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: What will that do?

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knowledgejunkie:

gro0gle: *hopefully* it will automagically populate xmltvids and icons based on scanned channel names

[03:50:21]

Solv:

sorry, had to go change a nappy

[03:53:04]

groOgle:

Solv: Was that enough info to dump the channel table?

[03:53:37]

Solv:

nah...i got passwords...i think i got it now...mysqldump -p mythconverg channel > channeldump.txt

[03:54:12]

groOgle:

Solv: Sounds right.

[03:54:40]

Solv:

groOgle, it only seems to list one channel

[03:54:53]

groOgle:

Solv: Probably just looks that way.

[03:55:06]

groOgle:

Solv: Mine dumps the entire table on a single line.

[03:55:20]

groOgle:

Solv: Send it and I'll tell you.

[03:55:29]

Solv:

yeah thats what it did

[03:55:45]

Solv:

i haven't got mail setup, so i'll just use my gmail...hold on

[03:56:04]

** groOgle shudders at what gmail will do with the dump. **

[03:58:23]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: OK, read the Oz listings page.

[03:58:42]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: I thought you meant there was soemthing about running scan there, but I don't see it.

[03:58:49]

mchou:

damn, nice '/topic

[03:58:50]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: Where did you read that on the wiki?

[04:02:50]

Solv:

k email sent

[04:03:24]

Solv:

when importing manually, it asks to specify a source id number...how do i know what to put (ie 0 or 1)

[04:05:02]

mchou:

Solv: that's when poking in the db helps

[04:07:25]

** groOgle doesn't understand the context. **

[04:07:29]

groOgle:

Solv: What are you trying to import?

[04:08:45]

jd86:

is there any word on a mythmail plugin? i see on the unofficial plugins, but the link to the new information isn't working

[04:10:53]

Solv:

sorry...importing epg xml data

[04:11:33]

groOgle:

Solv: OK, I'm not too sure how to do that manually.

[04:11:37]

groOgle:

Solv: What do you run?

[04:11:42]

groOgle:

Solv: BTW, no sign of that mail yet.

[04:11:50]

Solv:

i had a mythbox setup last year, and i used tv_grab_au, and i'm suer all i did was change the xmltv id field in the channel editor and it worked fine...but this time it's just not working!

[04:16:42]

Solv:

i think the only way i'm gonna get this working is to manually input the frequencies for each channel that is linked to the epg....would they be listed in my channels table?

[04:17:27]

groOgle:

Solv: Let me see your channel table first.

[04:17:35]

groOgle:

Solv: Did you look at the URL I pointed you at?

[04:17:53]

groOgle:

Solv: Also, I can't recall whether you had an analogue or digital tuner.

[04:18:02]

Solv:

groOgle, dvb-t

[04:18:24]

Solv:

yeah, i looked at the url...i couldn't quite understand how the xml converter worked and if i needed it

[04:18:30]

groOgle:

Solv: OK, then you do have the same problem I have.

[04:19:53]

Solv:

there it is...easier than emailing

[04:20:34]

** groOgle O tempora, o mores! **

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groOgle:

Solv: Yup, that's a mess

[04:25:11]

knowledgejunkie:

Solv: how many video sources have you got defined, and how many should you have (are you just wanting to use DVB?)

[04:25:12]

Solv:

ah, yeah cause i'm experimenting

[04:25:12]

groOgle:

Solv: 33 channel entries, BTW.

[04:25:20]

Solv:

just one

[04:25:23]

Solv:

i called it aussie

[04:26:07]

groOgle:

Solv: Try this:

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groOgle:

mysql mythconverg

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cheeseboy:

hi

[04:26:26]

groOgle:

select * from dtv_multiplex;

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groOgle:

Solv: Do you have anything in that table?

[04:26:44]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: I don't. How do I populate it?

[04:27:27]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: Just ran the scan under Input Connections and got nothing.

[04:27:44]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: The card is working fine (can use tzap and cat to record programs).

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Solv:

groOgle, umm i don't know what to type once in the mysql prompt

[04:28:55]

groOgle:

Solv: What I said above:

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kormoc:

Solv, <groOgle> select * from dtv_multiplex;

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groOgle:

select * from dtv_multiplex;

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knowledgejunkie:

Solv: did you not create a new video source in mythtv-setup and then scan for channels there?

[04:29:29]

groOgle:

Solv: That syntax will show you the total contents of the table in question.

[04:29:37]

groOgle:

Solv: If there's something there, it could be a lot.

[04:30:20]

kormoc:

groOgle, using G instead of a ; on the end of a select statement might be easier to read, just for your info

[04:31:30]

groOgle:

kormoc: Right, I know.

[04:31:40]

groOgle:

kormoc: But thanks for the info.

[04:32:16]

groOgle:

For the others: G gives you a line per column rather than a line per row.

[04:35:15]

Solv:

knowledgejunkie, yeah i did, but when i import the xmltv data manually, it also imports more channels

[04:35:37]

Solv:

groOgle, okay i have a table of info showing

[04:36:29]

knowledgejunkie:

Solv: AIUI, you don't want to be importing the xmltv data, you want to be importing the channels.conf from dvbscan

[04:36:36]

groOgle:

Solv: Ah, good. How many rows?

[04:36:38]

knowledgejunkie:

Solv: they aren't the same thing

[04:37:02]

Solv:

knowledgejunkie, dvbscan only comes up with sbs...mythtv-scan finds all the channels

[04:37:08]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: Is there a fast way to import channels.conf?

[04:37:09]

Solv:

knowledgejunkie, i know they aren't

[04:37:21]

Solv:

groOgle, 9 rows

[04:37:26]

groOgle:

Solv: Looks good.

[04:38:13]

knowledgejunkie:

Solv: sorry, I misread your sentence – you can stop new channels being created by passing an option to mythfilldatabase

[04:38:17]

Solv:

knowledgejunkie, shepherd has named the file that contains the xmltvid aliases 'channels.conf', maybe i should change the name? or maybe just change the file so the aliases match what mythtv has already discovered?

[04:38:24]

Solv:

knowledgejunkie, ahah

[04:38:25]

groOgle:

Somehow I now have 32 channels.

[04:38:33]

knowledgejunkie:

Solv: that's *really* confusing

[04:38:34]

Solv:

that might be exactly what i need

[04:38:45]

groOgle:

7 Analogue and 25 digital.

[04:39:13]

groOgle:

Here an example:

[04:39:46]

groOgle:

[04:39:46]

groOgle:

[04:39:46]

groOgle:

| 1030 | 30 | NULL | 1 | SBS HD | Default | 9 | 832 | NULL |

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Solv:

that is the channels.conf in the shepherd dir

[04:39:54]

groOgle:

The first one is analogue, the second digital.

[04:41:03]

Solv:

which is obviously not the same thing as the channels,conf dvbscan creates...but it does contain the xmltvid names...wondering what the point of this file is and how to avoid myth from adding them

[04:41:09]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: Should I now be setting the contents of one of the columns to be the same so that it will understand the guide data.

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knowledgejunkie:

Solv: what's that from?

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Solv:

knowledgejunkie, the pastebin stuff

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Solv:

knowledgejunkie, it is from a file the shepherd creates called channels.conf

[04:50:30]

knowledgejunkie:

Solv: OK – first field is channel name, second field XMLTV ID?

[04:50:57]

Solv:

knowledgejunkie, yeah...and somehow mythfilldatabase must be importing this info as well as the epg info

[04:51:25]

sigger_:

can anyone tell me what .h I need to include to use getUITextType. seems it should be mythdialogs.h but that's not getting it done.

[04:51:57]

sigger_:

I'm still getting getUITextType undeclared.

[04:55:13]

Dagmar:

doing what?

[04:55:37]

Dagmar:

er what are you doing when you're getting this error?

[04:55:49]

sigger_:

compiling a plugin I'm writing

[04:55:57]

Dagmar:

Ah...

[04:56:10]

Dagmar:

I *think* that's a qt declare

[04:56:17]

Dagmar:

WHy don't you just grep -R /usr/include

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sigger_:

that's what gave me mythdialogs.h

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Solv:

I think i solved it!

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knowledgejunkie:

Solv: ooh

[04:56:49]

** groOgle looks at Solv. **

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Solv:

i moved the output.xml to a different file, and also removed the channels.conf that shepherd made

[04:57:08]

Dagmar:

sigger_: Is it actually being defined there tho?

[04:57:11]

Solv:

then i removed all the channels

[04:57:17]

groOgle:

sigger_: Run another program through the preprocessor and look at the output.

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** knowledgejunkie looks hopeful **

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groOgle:

sigger_: gcc -C -dD -E foo.c | less

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Solv:

rescanned, and added the xmltvid that is used in the file output.xmltv

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groOgle:

sigger_: That will give you the complete preprocesor output with comments and file name info.

[04:58:01]

groOgle:

sigger_: Then you can search for the declaration.

[04:58:07]

Solv:

restarted frontend and it's there for the one channel i've tested so far

[04:58:14]

sigger_:

groOgle, do that on something known to use the function and known to work?

[04:58:22]

groOgle:

sigger_: Yes.

[04:58:28]

sigger_:

k, will try

[04:58:33]

groOgle:

sigger_: Something that uses the definition, obviously.

[04:58:44]

sigger_:

hehe, course

[04:59:37]

groOgle:

Solv: I now seem to have my tables set up too, but I don't know why :-(

[04:59:57]

knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: you don't import the channels.conf from your xmltv ever (AFAICT)

[05:00:15]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: OK.

[05:00:19]

knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: you only directly import the dvbscan channels.conf to get your channels in the database

[05:00:28]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: So it's the complete scan in the channel editor that does it?

[05:00:44]

knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: then you manually update those channels with the correct XMLTVIDs from your grabber

[05:00:47]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: OK, how and when do I import the dvbscan channels.conf?

[05:00:59]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: This is beginning to make more sense.

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** groOgle hands Solv a Big Stick to beat shepherd with. **

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knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: the fact your grabber also uses channels.conf seems like a *very bad idea*

[05:01:45]

Solv:

knowledgejunkie, yes it does

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groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: So how and when do I import the dvbscan channels.conf? Does mythtv-setup go looking for it somehwere?

[05:02:00]

Solv:

groOgle, no, in the mythtv-setup

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knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: you should be able to navigate to it in mythtv-setup

[05:02:11]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: That was Solv, not me.

[05:02:43]

Solv:

goto input connections, and then instead of selecting to do a scan, you can tell it where to find channels.conf....just type in the path manually

[05:02:52]

groOgle:

Solv: Ah.

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** groOgle checks. **

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** knowledgejunkie gets a beverage. it could be a long night/morning :) **

[05:03:46]

groOgle:

"Connect source to input"?

[05:03:52]

groOgle:

I don't see any obvious place there.

[05:04:00]

groOgle:

"Scan for channels" is what I did.

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groOgle:

Solv: Sorry, don't see that.

[05:06:04]

sigger_:

groOgle, that didn't seem to get me more data to my surprise. also just tried added all the includes from the file that uses it (mythmusic). didn't solve it either. weird

[05:08:31]

sigger_:

maybe I'm just not understanding the output, but I searched for all instances. didn't see a table listing the functions.

[05:08:57]

groOgle:

sigger_: There won't be a table.

[05:09:08]

groOgle:

sigger_: This is what the compiler gets passed from the preprocessor.

[05:09:23]

sigger_:

there weren't any lines that struck me as defining it.

[05:09:26]

groOgle:

sigger_: It has already resolved all the #includes, so it will have the definition.

[05:09:35]

Solv:

groOgle, okay, try video sources

[05:09:40]

groOgle:

sigger_: Just run it through less, then search for your symbol.

[05:09:42]

Solv:

i will try to find it for you, hold on

[05:10:00]

sigger_:

I follow you. its not a #define'd symbol tho, its a function.

[05:10:06]

sigger_:

oh dang.,

[05:10:08]

knowledgejunkie:

svn hits 13000, time to update :)

[05:10:31]

sigger_:

I guess that means I don't have a library file being refrenced in the make

[05:10:33]

groOgle:

sigger_: Just look for the symbol.

[05:10:44]

groOgle:

sigger_: Then page back until you see a #file directive.

[05:10:59]

groOgle:

sigger_: That will tell you where the symbol is defined.

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Solv:

groOgle, okay, it is in input connections -> scan for channels -> scan type (cycle through until it comes up with iport channels.conf)

[05:11:42]

sigger_:

groOgle, that'll work for a function? don't I need to include the relevant library in my make file?

[05:11:51]

groOgle:

Solv: Ah, thanks.

[05:12:01]

groOgle:

Solv: Looks like the complete scan I did found things, though.

[05:12:15]

Solv:

groOgle, yeah that worked better for me than dvbscan

[05:12:31]

groOgle:

Now I just need to tie it in with the programme data.

[05:12:43]

groOgle:

2007-03–11 15:40:04.999 ProgramList::FromScheduler(): Error querying master.

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groOgle:

mythfrontend: Fatal IO error: client killed

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groOgle:

*sigh*

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Solv:

groOgle, then just check the output.xmltv file and look at the names next to 'channel id'...and insert them in the xmltvid box in the 'channel editor' section of mythtv-setup

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knowledgejunkie:

best not to don't play in mythtv-setup with back/frontends running

[05:13:55]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: No, I'm not running mythtv-setup now. I'm trying to get guide data in frontend.

[05:14:19]

knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: loading EPG?

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groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: My program table has a week's worth of data.

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Solv:

so for abc the channel id might be 'abc' or 'abc.free.au' and then you go into the channel editor in mythtv-setup, and select the ABC channel, then fill in the xmltv id field with 'abc.free.au (for example), and then make sure to hit next

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groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: How does it join to the channel table?

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Solv:

next/finish

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knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: program table entries are connected via chanid to the channel table

[05:16:54]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: OK, so I can have more than one channel with the same chanid?

[05:17:16]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: Or can I have one row that defines both analogue and digital?

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** groOgle notes that chanid is the primary key, thus answering the first question. **

[05:18:04]

knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: never, it's the PK

[05:18:41]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: Right, saw that too late.

[05:18:56]

knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: you can have channels with different chanids share the same channum or callsign – this makes MythTV consider them 'the same' for scheduling purposes

[05:19:07]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: So my issue here is: I have three tuners. 2 DVB, one analogue.

[05:19:29]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: What about for programme data purposes?

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knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: you want to define 2 video sources – DVB and analog

[05:20:16]

knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: each of those will have their own channel lineup

[05:20:16]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: No, I don't :-)

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Solv:

k, I gotta go....thanks so much guys for the help....it's always something fairly simple, but hard to find isn't it!

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groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: But if I have to, how do I assign the same programme data to both?

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groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: OK, I think I'm understanding.

[05:21:03]

knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: you have separate grabbers configs for each source, each containing only the channels the source can tune to

[05:21:22]

knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: one config has only analog channels, the other only digital

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knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: the same channel on different sources can still use the same listings data/grabber – it's just configured separately

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** groOgle tries to get his head around all that. **

[05:23:19]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: A different question: what determines whether a channel shows up in the programme listing?

[05:23:33]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: At the moment I have a "production" box with only an analogue tuner.

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groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: It gets guide data for ABC2, but it doesn't display it.

[05:23:57]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: How does it know how to suppress it?

[05:25:34]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: Ah, channel.visible?

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knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: does it display anything?

[05:26:25]

knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: channel.visible can hide properly configured channels

[05:26:29]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: OK, I've found it. It's the "visible" flag.

[05:26:40]

knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: misconfigured channels may not appear for other reasons :)

[05:27:02]

groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: I can't record it on the analogue channel, but I want it so I can see the programme.

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mike3_:

I personally hate this DRM crap.

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mike3_:

I really really hate this HD shit with DRM implemented.. Makes me so mad.

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mike3_:

I hate Microsoft etc..

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mike3_:

Fucking bastards

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** groOgle sympathizes with mike3_. **

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mike3_:

What even makes me more sick is all this DRM crap is going to leave Linux behind.

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mike3_:

HD vid cards not capable of displaying HD without the software manfacture drivers..

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mike3_:

urg

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knowledgejunkie:

mike3_: s/Microsoft/content companies/

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groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: OK, so when I set up my channels to pick up multiple copies of the programme guide: how do I associate the programme data with the channel? name column?

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knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: xmltv id

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knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: the name and callsign just identify the channel

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knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: the listings are imported based on the xmltv id, and the sourceid

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mike3_:

They are hoping that all cable, satellite are all digital by 2009. Tv's implemented with all this DRM crap.

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mike3_:

Tv recording of shows will render useless.

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mike3_:

mythtv having to have the proper drivers for the cards to work.

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mike3_:

man.....

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mike3_:

This DRM shit is making things a complete mess.

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groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: Thanks.

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knowledgejunkie:

groOgle: if importing listings data manually via MFDB, you need to do this once for each sourceid

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** groOgle hands mike3_ a http://channelnine.ninemsn.com.au/ and vomits. **

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groOgle:

mike3_: You can't even get programme information from them, and they keep changing the programme without warning.

[05:36:01]

mike3_:

it's all a joke. Microsoft is already talking about HD images. So what in the near future (3 years) unless we have a HD vid card and a supported monitor with the manfacture drivers we're out of fucking luck to view websites in HD because we use opne source linux drivers.

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mike3_:

This is crap

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Dagmar:

No. You just don't realize how dumb what you're saying is.

[05:36:44]

Dagmar:

I don't mean to offend, but it is.

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groOgle:

Dagmar: It's not that dumb, unfortunately.

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mike3_:

well shed some light

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Dagmar:

But it is.

[05:37:03]

Dagmar:

There's no reason to expect that it would be that ham-fistedly applied

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groOgle:

Dagmar: I agree, it probably won't happen.

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Dagmar:

For _entirely technical reasons_ it's not even the least bit necessary

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Dagmar:

For one, HD playback takes a lot of CPU and bus

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Dagmar:

No one with a 1.2Ghz CPU is viewing 1080 without the help of XvMC

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groOgle:

Dagmar: Of course they're not technical reasons.

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Dagmar:

This is a pretty drastic difference between the 2D code invoked to draw a bloody canvas object like a webpage

[05:38:35]

Dagmar:

...and a video stream.

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Dagmar:

By the time this is something we'll have to worry about, it isn't out of the question that we'll be seeing video cards with mpg video-specific decompression accelleration implemented

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** groOgle blows away his channel table without a backup :-( **

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groOgle:

Grr.

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Dagmar:

And in any case my freaking monitor NOW runs in a higher res than 1080

[05:39:44]

Dagmar:

1600x1200.

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knowledgejunkie:

1080 is 1920x1080

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Dagmar:

I am no so sure Congress will let them pull that crap again with the new tech

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mike3_:

what about the technology that microsoft is using in there new media centre preventing of show recordings on certain stations

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Dagmar:

knowledgejunkie: Yeah, and I could go to 2048x??? on this thing, but I don't because frankly, some of these fonts come out WAY too damn small

[05:40:47]

knowledgejunkie:

gro0gle: best to go into mythtv-setup and 'Delete all video sources'

[05:41:39]

knowledgejunkie:

gro0gle: that will clean up remaining program data and video source info. Then start over fresh

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Dagmar:

I have a CRT in part because it's cheap and in part because since it's a farking monster, I have massive amounts of screen estate I couldn't afford with LCD/TFT

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Dagmar:

I was kinda sickened to find someone selling this 21" beast for $75

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Dagmar:

mike3_: In general, I ignore Microsoft's press releases until they have an actual product on a shelf somewhere

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mike3_:

Time will tell everything... I don't want to ever HAVE to use windows for new technology.

[05:44:53]

mike3_:

on the side note.. I'd love a new 21 monitor. :)

[05:44:54]

Dagmar:

...now if I can just score someone selling one of those rare-as-hell 35" VGA monitors

[05:45:18]

Dagmar:

I have a dolly, and I can go borrow my dad's truck for it. :)

[05:45:43]

Dagmar:

mike3_: If craigslist has a site for your city, start hitting it up every day

[05:45:58]

Dagmar:

If you don't mind lifting a 50lb monitor, you can probably catch one within a month of watching it

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groOgle:

knowledgejunkie: Yes, that was my thought too.

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** groOgle tries to import a channels.conf. **

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groOgle:

Failed to open "

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groOgle:

Ah, got it.

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hardnova:

hi

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metalac:

anybody have an opinion as to what's currently better for HD, athlon x2 or Core 2 duo? i mean i know that c2d is better overall speed-wise, but i'm not sure what will give the smoothest playback and what not

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Dagmar:

Either

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Dagmar:

Video playback is not currently a multi-threaded operation under any OS I'm aware of, so the SMP aspect will go more or less unused

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metalac:

oh i know but there are multiple threads running at the same time (i.e. X, mythbackend, mythfrontend) so they should get split up

[06:02:16]

Dagmar:

Yeah, but yer box isn't exactly hard-pressed by those others

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Dagmar:

Unless you're running a framegrabber card (kind of NOT a chance for HD there) mythbackend doesn't use much CPU and the frontend doesn't use much CPU because mainly it's waiting on you to push buttons

[06:02:54]

metalac:

well i have an issue where if i watch HD it uses about 45% on mythfrontend and 55% on X

[06:03:22]

metalac:

well i'm upgrading to SVN right now to see if this fixes the issues

[06:03:25]

Dagmar:

metalac: So make sure you are getting the benefit of XvMC

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metalac:

well xvmc is a whole another problem :)

[06:03:46]

Dagmar:

There was at least one new driver option added recently called UseEvents

[06:03:50]

metalac:

HD works slower in my case

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metalac:

yeah i tried that

[06:04:13]

metalac:

i mean HD without xvmc is ALMOST there

[06:04:15]

Dagmar:

My boss is using SVN HEAD and he has complained that it swings back and forth between code changes

[06:04:19]

metalac:

it drops a frame every 2–3 seconds

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Dagmar:

I'm sticking with 0.20-fixes mainly

[06:04:57]

hardnova:

having some issues tring to map keys

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Dagmar:

At the moment, both of us seem to have it working, so if you're "just" using 0.20 it might be time for an upgrade

[06:05:56]

metalac:

well i'll give it a one more shot with current hardware, if it doesn't work i'll upgrade

[06:07:19]

hardnova:

i have mapped keys on the front of my silverstone with .Xmodmap , question is how do I make that key then Play , pause ect in differnt parts of mythtv ?

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Dagmar:

Look into that UseEvents flag

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Dagmar:

Check the nVidia driver README about it. My boss claimed it helped chop HD CPU usage by about 30%

[06:08:16]

Dagmar:

I'm mainly viewing SD, so I don't see CPU usage really doing much at all on my machine

[06:08:31]

Dagmar:

"just" a 3200+ tho

[06:09:18]

Dagmar:

Fall should be interesting. It looks like at least a half dozen of the Phreaknic organizers are running Myth boxes now

[06:09:20]

metalac:

well mine is a 3200+ as well

[06:09:40]

Dagmar:

We're rather likely to wind up with the entire presentation track on YouTube seven ways from Sunday after the next one

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Dagmar:

Something fucked up last year with the guy's gear who was recording, and we got about 30 minutes of the two days

[06:10:26]

Dagmar:

...so this next one, we're just going to flood the area around the podium with video cameras and mythTV boxes

[06:10:49]

metalac:

nice :)

[06:11:03]

Dagmar:

I think perhaps 8–9 cameras feeding into a few machines connected to the hotel network should make damn sure we can't possibly lose footage

[06:12:16]

Dagmar:

I've been screwing around lately with an old Panasonic "eggcam" poked out my window recording the river all day

[06:12:37]

Dagmar:

I have to recode some of what I did tho to get the time-lapse thing going on

[06:12:56]

Dagmar:

The camera is very craptacular, so the first 24 hour recording wound up flickering like mad

[06:13:58]

Dagmar:

...but I hope to have something silly to stick on YouTube soon, as an excuse to draw attention to MythTV.

[06:15:36]

Dagmar:

Now if I can just get the gf to come to a new "understanding" about constant interruptions

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hardnova:

can i use xmodmap to map a key to be the left arrow as well as left arrouw still working ?

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alsoconfused:

hardnova: yes

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hardnova:

keycode 144 = Left ?

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alsoconfused:

sounds about right

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alsoconfused:

er, left

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hardnova:

where do i find the names of the keys ?

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alsoconfused:

xev is handy

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hardnova:

oh ok maybe thats the problem

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hardnova:

yea i used xev to find the codes

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hardnova:

oh xev gives me the names of default keys too ?

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alsoconfused:

xev shows keycode and keysym for the current mapping

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alsoconfused:

they are the default if that's what you mean.

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alsoconfused:

hardnova: yes, but i don't think it's the best way to go

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hardnova:

what do you sugest ?

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alsoconfused:

are they currently mapped to keysyms?

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hardnova:

sorry what are keysyns ?

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alsoconfused:

physical key press generates a keycode, X maps that to a keysym and sends it to the application

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alsoconfused:

press vol+ inside xev and see if it gives a keysym

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hardnova:

nope no keysym

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alsoconfused:

you should be able to xmodmap it to XF86AudioRaiseVolume then use mythkeys to complete the mapping

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alsoconfused:

other interesting keysyms are in /usr/share/X11/XKeysymDB

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alsoconfused:

i think it's better than mapping the key to F10 because F10 is myth specific.

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hardnova:

keycode 174 = XF86AudioLowerVolume

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hardnova:

is in /etc/X11/Xmodmap

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hardnova:

but xev dosent see it

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hardnova:

as XF86AudioLowerVolume

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alsoconfused:

you need to restart X or load the mappings after editing that file

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hardnova:

yea I restarted x

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hardnova:

im tring ~/.Xmodmap as well see if that works

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hardnova:

arr ok thats it

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alsoconfused:

try xmodmap -e 'keycode 174 = XF86AudioLowerVolume'

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alsoconfused:

ok

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hardnova:

so now mythkey ?

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hardnova:

through mythweb ?

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alsoconfused:

i think the gui is easier

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hardnova:

where is that ?

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hardnova:

in mythtv or mythsetup ?

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alsoconfused:

not sue

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alsoconfused:

sure

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ratbert90:

ok, I have a crazy situation that has confused me beyond belief. Perhaps someone could help me. I installed ubuntu feisty, because I have to, as edgy won't boot on my system. I installed lirc first, and huzzah! My pvr-150 remote was found and working!

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ratbert90:

Upon reboot, it also continued to work, this is great I thought. but all was not well. Upon the first run of mythtv my remote stopped working, and my boot time went from about 20 seconds, to 4 minutes

[06:42:20]

sigger_:

anyone know, if I download the latest svn, will that generate all the files (.h, lib*, etc) I need for developing?

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ratbert90:

it turns out that my Ivtv card is now spewing out a invalid eeprom error at me

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ratbert90:

causing lirc to not work, and my pvr-150 card to drop my boot time to 4 minutes.

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ratbert90:

How can this happen?

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alsoconfused:

wrong fimrware?

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ratbert90:

but it was fine until I ran mythtv

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alsoconfused:

the remote was fine, or the whole card was fine?

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ratbert90:

remote worked, and tv worked.

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ratbert90:

Then I started mythfrontend, and the remote stopped working, and the boot time went to 4 minutes or so

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ratbert90:

It's like mythfrontend ate my ivtv's firmware

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alsoconfused:

maybe you have a bad setting for that card in the myth config

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ratbert90:

hrm

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ratbert90:

but it displays tv fine.

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alsoconfused:

funky channel table, video standard, etc.

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alsoconfused:

using which app?

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ratbert90:

mythfrontend

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alsoconfused:

you can change channels ok?

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ratbert90:

oh wait

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ratbert90:

nope, now the card doesn't work either

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ratbert90:

lol

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alsoconfused:

any errors or warnings from frontend, backend, or system log?

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ratbert90:

yep, the ivtv driver has stopped responding

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ratbert90:

woohoo

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alsoconfused:

which driver version?

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ratbert90:

I'm not sure, I am going to update them from the ivtvdriver.org site

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ratbert90:

so soon to be 9.1

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alsoconfused:

is this a new card?

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ratbert90:

yep

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ratbert90:

well, new to me :(

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ratbert90:

pvr-150

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alsoconfused:

i've heard that some newer 150s are using a different chipset which isn't fully supported

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alsoconfused:

damned hauppauge

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alsoconfused:

look on ivtvdriver.org for the details

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ratbert90:

great, it won't let me build the module

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ratbert90:

damn it

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ratbert90:

:|

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alsoconfused:

ivtv hates you?

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ratbert90:

aparently

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ratbert90:

macro "INIT_WORK" passed 3 arguments, but takes just 2

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ratbert90:

Well THAT isn't cryptic at all

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alsoconfused:

which kernel version?

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ratbert90:

2.6.20-9-generic #2 SMP Mon Feb 26 03:01:44 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux

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alsoconfused:

and which ivtv are you trying to build?

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ratbert90:

9.1

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alsoconfused:

0.9.1?

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ratbert90:

oh my

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ratbert90:

there is a 10 out

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alsoconfused:

version 0.10.1 for kernels >= 2.6.18

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ratbert90:

ubuntu!!!! :argh:

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alsoconfused:

which version did ubuntu ship?

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ratbert90:

feisty shipped with 8.something

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ratbert90:

or 7

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alsoconfused:

is 2.6.20 the stock kernel for feisty, or was it an upgrade?

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ratbert90:

stock

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ratbert90:

I would love to run edgy, but I run a intel 965 chipset, so only 2.6.18 or above

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ratbert90:

edgy ships with 2.6.17 :(

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alsoconfused:

i wonder how they managed to build an old ivtv against a new kernel.

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ratbert90:

automagicly

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alsoconfused:

badly

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ratbert90:

be right back to complain some more, going to reboot. Might take a 5 minutes or so :(

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ratbert90:

hrm, still no worky

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ratbert90:

packet header [02]. Corrupt or not a Hauppauge eeprom

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alsoconfused:

i'd take a look at the chips on the card ( or maybe in dmesg or lspci) and make sure you have a supported card

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ratbert90:

I am positive I do. It registers as a pvr-150 hauppauge

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alsoconfused:

i haven't used any kernel newer than 2.6.18

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ratbert90:

there really isn't any significant change between 18 and 20

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ratbert90:

17 and 18 there is though

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alsoconfused:

does the card work with v4l2-ctl, mplayer, etc?

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ratbert90:

mplayer works fine

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ratbert90:

brb

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ratbert90:

well hell yeah

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ratbert90:

shutting down the computer, unplugging it, waiting for a minute, and rebooting worked

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alsoconfused:

the old driver probably got the card into a funky state

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ratbert90:

indeed

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ratbert90:

it's almsot time to connect this wonderful beast to the tv

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ratbert90:

:D

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ratbert90:

hrm, mythtv still hates my remote though :(

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alsoconfused:

is the lower level lirc stuff working

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alsoconfused:

?

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ratbert90:

yep

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ratbert90:

:d

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ratbert90:

:D

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alsoconfused:

you have a good lircrc file?

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ratbert90:

so says irw

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alsoconfused:

irw doesn't know about lircrc

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ratbert90:

I have lircrc symlinked from /etc/lircrc

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ratbert90:

in .mythtv

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alsoconfused:

that's in $HOME of the frontend user, right?

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ratbert90:

yes

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ratbert90:

~/.mythtv

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alsoconfused:

ircat --config=/home/MYTHUSER/.mythtv/lircrc mythtv

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alsoconfused:

you can't use the ~ here

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ratbert90:

well that explains a lot

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clever:

[11 01:28:33] <clever> mythtv uses [] as the default bindings for vol up/down

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clever:

[11 01:29:00] <clever> so if you map the vol+/- keys directly to [] it wouldnt need a second maping within myth to connect XF86AudioRaiseVolume to a myth command

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clever:

[11 01:31:57] <clever> only semi special key i have on this keyboard is a internet button and it doesnt cause any msgs within xev so it needs to be maped before x even picks it up right

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ratbert90:

bad file format, /home/mythtv/lircrc

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clever:

was answering alsoconfused and hardnova

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hardnova:

ok

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alsoconfused:

clever: right, but as i said, i think it's better to map vol+/- to appropriate symbols for the sake of other apps. if it's stricty a myth box then it doesn't really matter.

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clever:

yeah mapping to the proper symbol would be the better way

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clever:

but maping to [] is the lazy way:P

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alsoconfused:

not really, when i mapped a key to audioraisevolume, my mixer picked right up on it.

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clever:

i have a sun keyboard upstairs on my myth box

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clever:

and its connected thru usb in the end

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clever:

how would i go about getting all the special sun keys to work?

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ratbert90:

IT LIVES!

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clever:

the big help button works fine but the cut/copy/paste and others dont all work

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clever:

ive hit the help button by mistake a few times

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clever:

its in the top left corner where i expect esc to be

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alsoconfused:

clever: you should be able to xmodmap the sun keys to xfree86 keysyms.

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clever:

and where would i see a list of valid keysyms i can map to?

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alsoconfused:

/usr/share/X11/XKeysymDB

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clever:

ahh nice

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clever:

SunCut :1005FF75

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clever:

exactly the keysym i need:P

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alsoconfused:

sun keysym are there too, but i don't think many linux apps would care about them

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clever:

XF86Cut :1008FF58

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alsoconfused:

right

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clever:

which of those would give a wider and better effect for the cut key?

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clever:

im thinking they would be nearly identical if the program supported both

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alsoconfused:

afaik solaris apps will look for the sun syms, linux apps will look for the xf86 syms.

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clever:

ubuntu on the pc

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clever:

its a semi complex setup

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alsoconfused:

i think you should ignore the sun keysyms

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clever:

sunmouse->sunkeyoard->kvm->usb->ubuntu

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clever:

the keyboard->kvm is a sun style plug but after it leaves the kvm its 4 usb plugs

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alsoconfused:

xev

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alsoconfused:

and xmodmap

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clever:

xev isnt showing any responce to my test key(internet)

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clever:

which is the only non normal key on my laptop

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alsoconfused:

clever_: is that still you?

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

my bnc just kicked in

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clever:

[17276680.212000] atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0x81 on isa0060/serio0).

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clever:

[17276680.212000] atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e001 <keycode>' to make it known.

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alsoconfused:

exactly

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clever:

that might be why xev isnt picking up my test key

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ratbert90:

hey alsoconfused, thanks a lot for your help, I really do appreciate it :)

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alsoconfused:

right, you'll need to find an unused keycode

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alsoconfused:

no prob ratbert90

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clever:

and id need to find a unused code to map it to before X starts to pick up

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clever:

how would i go about picking a code and checking that its unused?

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alsoconfused:

xmodmap -pk

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clever:

im guessing i'll need tp map the scancode to a keycode then the keycode to a keysym

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ratbert90:

now to just figure out how to use this thing so the red button disables beryl, the green button starts mythtv, and the yellow button turns off the monitor :D

[07:49:17]

ratbert90:

but thats for tomorrow. :)

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clever:

my window manager(metacity) is part of gnome

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clever:

and im able to add key bindings which will start a command

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ratbert90:

how so good sir?

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ratbert90:

I too, am using gnome

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clever:

ive made a binding so alt+f2 will run irsend which i planned to use for turning my TV on

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clever:

when im using mythtv i want a way to turn the tv itself on from the keyboard

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ratbert90:

oh, well keybinds are easier than this remote. :P

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ratbert90:

huh

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clever:

i also made similar bindings on my laptop so alt+f3 will open an xterm and screen -x it

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ratbert90:

I think the hardest part will making the monitor go to sleep

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clever:

and alt+f2 will ssh another box and run screen -x there

[07:52:04]

clever:

yeah turning the moniter off may be tricky

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alsoconfused:

ratbert90: you can make the monitor sleep with xset

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ratbert90:

I can make xset do it in the terminal, but it won't turn the monitor to sleep without it

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ratbert90:

:)

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ratbert90:

no terminal = no sleep

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clever:

text terminal?

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ratbert90:

?

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clever:

chvt can be used to change to text mode

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clever:

chvt 1 will be the same as ctrl+alt+f1

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clever:

alt+f7 gets back to X on most systems

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clever:

chvt 7 also

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ratbert90:

hrm, but turning the monitor to sleep would still be tricky :)

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clever:

lirc picks up the remote?

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ratbert90:

yep

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ratbert90:

:D

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ratbert90:

so does mythtv finally

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clever:

using irexec you can a set script when you push certain buttons

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ratbert90:

yeah, I was never able to get that to work

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mike3_:

as long as lircmd is running

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clever:

and then you just make that into a bash script which does what the red button should do

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alsoconfused:

kde has nice lirc integration

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ratbert90:

indeed

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ratbert90:

I might run that in gnome, that program was cool

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alsoconfused:

kicker?

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ratbert90:

no, it was a lirc remote checker thingamabober

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ratbert90:

doohicky

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clever:

i havent used kde

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ratbert90:

kdelirc

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clever:

but alot of mythtv programs seem to use bits and peices of kde stuff

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ratbert90:

indeed

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alsoconfused:

with kde's kicker you can map a remote key to any dcop function

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ratbert90:

at least the libs

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clever:

had to install half of the kde dev lib's just to build mythweb

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alsoconfused:

more than just qt?

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clever:

yeah i think i needed more then qt

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ratbert90:

yeah, irkick is the name

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clever:

i allready had qt from building the mythbase parts

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alsoconfused:

clever: mythweb or mythbrowser?

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clever:

ahh mythbrowser

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clever:

got the 2 mixed up:P

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alsoconfused:

that makes sense

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alsoconfused:

as it's konqueror

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clever:

ahh

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ratbert90:

they realllly need to make mythtv compatible with compiz/beryl

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clever:

beryl?

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ratbert90:

fork of compiz

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clever:

compiz?

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clever:

:P

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ratbert90:

fork of xgl

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hardnova:

rather odd key binding for pause in music crashes mythtv ?//

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clever:

lol xgl?:P

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ratbert90:

youtube it

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clever:

lol

[08:01:35]

clever:

ahh now that i think back a bit i remember what it is

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ratbert90:

It's OpenGL controlled X

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clever:

3d gui thingy?

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hardnova:

there is no PLAY keybinding in music

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clever:

hardnova: im still having trouble fully controling mythmusic with the keyboard and default bindings:P

[08:03:59]

hardnova:

yea the keyboard pause /play works the IR remote also fine but for some reason it does not like XF86AudioPlay

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clever:

i have it working on my main frontend and im able to get some control

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clever:

but my laptop frotnend still segfaults on all plugins

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alsoconfused:

hardnova: map XF86AudioPlay to jumppoint playmusic

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clever:

but aslong as i dont try to activate the menu items for them it doesnt crash

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alsoconfused:

clever: are you using gl screen painter?

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ratbert90:

yeah, if I try to run xset outside of the console it doesn't work :(

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clever:

on which frontend?

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ratbert90:

gnome ?

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alsoconfused:

clever: the one that crashes?

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clever:

not shure but i can look

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alsoconfused:

try disabling it.

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ratbert90:

xset dpms force standby works fine in the console, but I can't run it outside of the console, thats really irritating :(

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alsoconfused:

ratbert90: where are you trying to run it from?

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ratbert90:

from the remote. I have mythfrontend working fine, that's binded to red

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clever:

+--------------+------+----------+

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clever:

| value | data | hostname |

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clever:

+--------------+------+----------+

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clever:

| ThemePainter | qt | laptop |

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clever:

+--------------+------+----------+

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clever:

painter seems to be set to qt on the crashing pc

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ratbert90:

I made a small bash script that runs xset dpms force standby, and it works in the console, but it doesn't want to run outside of it

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clever:

ratbert90: have it run chvt 1 as root

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clever:

that will force it to change to console mode

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alsoconfused:

ratbert90: is $DISPLAY set correctly in the script's environment?

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clever:

oooo that might also be it

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ratbert90:

it shouldn't need it

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clever:

-display may also work

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ratbert90:

how would I go about defining the display?

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alsoconfused:

xset -display :0 dpms force off

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ratbert90:

no dice

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ratbert90:

still works in the console, doesn't work in from the gui :(

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alsoconfused:

by "console" do you mean outside of X, or just a terminal emulator?

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ratbert90:

terminal emulator

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alsoconfused:

how are you activating it in the gui?

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ratbert90:

through the kde lirc program

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ratbert90:

it's just trying to run the script

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ratbert90:

it doesn't work in a run dialog either

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alsoconfused:

can you run the script in the terminal?

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ratbert90:

yep

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ratbert90:

and it works

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alsoconfused:

is it a PATH issue?

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clever:

have it dump the result of 'env' to a log file

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ratbert90:

nope

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ratbert90:

it's in /usr/local/bin

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clever:

that will let you peek at PATH and DISPLAY

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clever:

just needs a line like 'env > ~/envlog'

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hardnova:

is there some kind of limiting keypresses for xmodmap

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clever:

posibly env>~/envlog2;diff ~/envlog ~/envlog2

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ratbert90:

tack that on at the bottom of my script/

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ratbert90:

?

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clever:

yep should work fine at the end:)

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alsoconfused:

hardnova: i don't understand your question

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ratbert90:

envlog doesn't show up

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ratbert90:

:(

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alsoconfused:

ratbert90: configure the kde thingy to call the absolute path of the script

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hardnova:

alsoconfused , i think im getting many key presses for the play button that i maped with xmodmap

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ratbert90:

that did it

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ratbert90:

thanks alsoconfused !

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alsoconfused:

hardnova: what makes you think that?

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ratbert90:

now off to watch some tv :D

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alsoconfused:

there's nothing on

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hardnova:

alsoconfused , when i press it it pause play light up together

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hardnova:

alsoconfused , resulting in no change or lockup

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alsoconfused:

hardnova: you mapped the key to jumppoint playmusic

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alsoconfused:

?

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hardnova:

instead of a toggle pause then play im getting pause and play at the same time

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alsoconfused:

this is the music player we're talking about?

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hardnova:

alsoconfused , no i maped it to pause

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hardnova:

yes

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alsoconfused:

does the 'P' key work normally?

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hardnova:

alsoconfused , if i press P on the keyboard it works fine

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alsoconfused:

so in mythkeys, pause has two keys bound, P and PLAY?

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hardnova:

but when i hit the button mapped to "pause" under music bother pause and play light up

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hardnova:

s/bother/ both

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hardnova:

yes I mapped the second key in mythkeys

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alsoconfused:

hardnova: in mythmusic when i hit P, it lights the pause indicator the first time and the play indicator the second time

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alsoconfused:

same for you?

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hardnova:

alsoconfused , yes if i hit p

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alsoconfused:

could something else be mapped to the PLAY key?

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hardnova:

nope

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alsoconfused:

do P and PLAY behave similarly in xev?

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hardnova:

alsoconfused , they are different keys

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alsoconfused:

but they repeat in the same way?

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ratbert90:

what the hell

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ratbert90:

lirc just took a dump :(

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Machtin:

which channels.conf does mythtv use? (does it use one? O.o)

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Machtin:

or are these stored via mysql?

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hardnova:

alsoconfused yea it does not look like a repeat problem

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hardnova:

its maped in .Xmodmap as keycode 162 = XF86AudioPlay

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alsoconfused:

run dumpkeys

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hardnova:

alsoconfused , at a shell ?

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alsoconfused:

yeah, see if there's something weird about keycode 162

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hardnova:

interesting I changed the mapping from keycode 162 = XF86AudioPlay to keycode 162 = p

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hardnova:

and it works perfectly

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hardnova:

could some other key be mapped as XF86AudioPlay that is confusing it ?

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ratbert90:

so... could a bug in lirc cause my tv card to go beserk ?

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hardnova:

or is there simply a problem in mythmusic with that toggle function on anything other than "p"

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alsoconfused:

hardnova: i was thinking that some other program is responding to XF86AudioPlay

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ratbert90:

lirc died, and when I went and restarted my computer, my tv card decided it didn't like the firmware anymore. A quick unplug/power drain and it works now

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ratbert90:

but lirc is now dead

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zogbench:

hi all!

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zogbench:

ne1 awake at this hour?

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ratbert90:

wait, I take that back

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hardnova:

alsoconfused , nothing else is mapped to XF86AudioPlay

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ratbert90:

lirc is fine

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ratbert90:

but it dying randomly isn't cool

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alsoconfused:

hardnova: don't have a PLAY button, so i mapped F12 to XF86AudioPlay and mapped that to mythmusic->pause. it caused a lockup

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hardnova:

alsoconfused, which is what i am getting

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alsoconfused:

yeah, i don't understand why, but i guess i'd just pick a different keysym

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hardnova:

alsoconfused, its strange isnt it

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hardnova:

alsoconfused, ok what other keysym can i use ?

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alsoconfused:

P

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Machtin:

or how would i edit the channel-list?

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hardnova:

im going to try XF86AudioPause

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alsoconfused:

good idea

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alsoconfused:

hardnova: that works for me although myth doesn't seem to know the name of the symbol. it thinks the key is ' ' when i map it.

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hardnova:

yep that is fine

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hardnova:

alsoconfused, yes i get some little funny square character but works

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alsoconfused:

me to

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alsoconfused:

i need a key to pour a glass of juice.

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ratbert90:

this is really weird

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hardnova:

so a bug with

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hardnova:

XF86AudioPlay ?

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ratbert90:

why is lirc dying after 5 or so minutes of watching tv? But only when watching tv? :(

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alsoconfused:

hardnova: i have no idea why it doesn't like that keysym

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hardnova:

alsoconfused, could it be a bug ?

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alsoconfused:

hardnova: i suppose.

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hardnova:

i also have a problem with XF86AudioMute

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hardnova:

in music it does the action of bringing up the volume bar but does not mute

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hardnova:

mythmusic has some obsecure bugs

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Machtin:

hmmmh

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alsoconfused:

hardnova: XF86AudioMute works for me

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Machtin:

no idea, anyone?

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hardnova:

i changed it to XF86LightBulb and it worsk

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hardnova:

i changed it to XF86LightBulb and it works

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hardnova:

but not as XF86AudioMute

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alsoconfused:

hardnova: there might be something in your desktop environment that's catching that key

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hardnova:

lol

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hardnova:

now the play button is now mute also

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hardnova:

fudge !

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hardnova:

all unkown keys map as the same key

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hardnova:

how do i make it a known key ?

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hardnova:

yep

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alsoconfused:

ugh

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hardnova:

but were is that assigned ?

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alsoconfused:

you assigned it in mythkeys, right?

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hardnova:

yes

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alsoconfused:

i'd get rid of that one and see if the other problem goes away

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alsoconfused:

brb

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hardnova:

but it gets nothing only a " " with a box character in it rather than "media pause" ect

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alsoconfused:

right, so i'm thinking that any keys with null keysyms are being mapped to it

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hardnova:

alsoconfused, is there a file somewhere i can change it from null

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alsoconfused:

no config file i'm aware of.

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hardnova:

there must be a translation map for keys in mythkeys

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Machtin:

how can i stop mythtv from recording while i just want to WATCH tv?

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gbee:

Machtin: you can't, it's a PVR

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gbee:

PVR's always record to allow pausing, rewinding etc

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Machtin:

hm.

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Machtin:

so to keep a buffer?

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Machtin:

can i auto-delete the files after.. let's say 10 minutes?

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gbee:

basically yes, it also means that in the middle of watching a programme 'Live' you can hit Record and it will save the whole thing

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Machtin:

in case i watched it from the beginning

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gbee:

Machtin: it already does that, it will auto-delete small livetv files (2–3 minutes) almost immediately and larger files are deleted when the space is needed

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Machtin:

hmm kay

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Machtin:

well, guess in that case it might be a nice feature

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Machtin:

errm, one more thing: how to edit my channel-list?

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gbee:

can be done through mythtv-setup in the channel editor (hit D to delete channels, M to bring up options etc) or through mythweb if you have that installed

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Machtin:

i have, but it won't work.. i broke something i guess

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Machtin:

either php, apache or mythweb

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Machtin:

but fine, i'll try mythtv-setup :)

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Machtin:

thanksie

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Machtin:

hm, can i somehow scan for only tv and not radio?

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xris:

Machtin: probably easier to scan and then delete later.

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Machtin:

hmhh

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Machtin:

that mythweb would be a nice thing i guess..

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Machtin:

appears pretty annoying via the setup

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Machtin:

i mean.. that's thousands of channels

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doje:

anyone here in the US notice some DST issues in the guide ?

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doje:

I'm seeing a bunch of 1 hour blocks marked "unknown" around 2 am in otherwise good data

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gbee:

Machtin: there is an option, in one of the mythtv-setup pages, umm, Video Source or just possibly Input Connections to ignore radio/encrypted channels

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Machtin:

ah, i see

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gbee:

or at least there is for digital sources, no idea if it applies to every input type

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gbee:

just checked, it would be Input Connections ' Allow Audio Only channels' Y/N

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Machtin:

thanks :)

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juski:

morning

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juski:

xris' comment about scanning & deleting later reminded me how mythtv used to automatically add dvb channels in an earlier version.... that was crazy stuff :)

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gbee:

juski: that was, although it didn't just add new channels, it also constantly 'reset' existing ones wiping out various settings ;)

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gbee:

hmm, the new icon stuff is pretty nifty

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gbee:

not that your original UK icon grabber wasn't excellant

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juski:

heheh – that script just a stopgap thing. I mean when I wrote it I didn't know about iconmap.pl

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daviey:

gbee, whats the difference with the new icon grabber?

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daviey:

where does it grab them from now?

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juski:

grabs em from the same place

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daviey:

whats the diff then?

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gbee:

well iconmap.pl never really was going to work for the UK, the new icon grabber intelligently uses a combination of xmltvid, dvb (netid/serviceid) and callsign

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juski:

the difference is that xris' isn't just UK only ;)

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daviey:

oh wow, so you don't need to set the xmltvid anymore?

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daviey:

(if using dvb)

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juski:

I still use xmltv for my dvb channels

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juski:

apart from the radio ones of course

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daviey:

me to – 14 days is better than 7!

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juski:

yeh but – 7 days is better than 14 when those 7 days get updated as frequently as they do, and in future there'll be PDC-type stuff going on

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gbee:

daviey: the new script works for all countries, it uses users to add new icons to the database – so one/two people select the icon for a new channel and then everyone else who uses the script get's it downloaded automatically

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juski:

not to mention flags in trailers

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gbee:

stuarta has said he plans to allow EIT and xmltv to work better with each other

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juski:

imagine catching a trailer for something you want to watch in your recorded shows, being able to schedule it with a button press!

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gbee:

so you'd get the quality of the RT data with the last minute schedule change capability of EIT

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daviey:

I don't follow – how does it work?

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juski:

like $ky can do with their green button – only $ky plu$ users don't get that in recorded programmes

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juski:

daviey: the broadcasters will insert a flag in the stream of a trailer, defining a unique programme id

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gbee:

mythtv can then use that programme id to schedule it to be recorded

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juski:

that is a *killer* feature IMHO

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laga:

re

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gbee:

it would be if I ever watched the adverts

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gbee:

I miss enough shows at the moment because I never saw the ads ;)

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daviey:

true on both accounts

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daviey:

gbee, thats why so many people need to use illegal torrents!

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gbee:

hehe

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juski:

though it'd be a feature that might make me think again about using myth for our day to day tv (i.e. live tv)

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laga:

yeah, they totally NEED to do that because it's ESSENTIAL to watch that hollywood crap

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daviey:

I miss so much stuff because i don't check the line up's daily

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juski:

I've not tried live tv for ages – I think I'll take it for a spin next time I have my svn box powered up

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daviey:

haha

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daviey:

Currently my livetv locks up every hour

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daviey:

you could use a stopwatch!

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juski:

gbee did you see this? http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/03/09/hauppauge_wintv_nova-td/ – I went off looking for evidence of linux support yesterday & couldn't find any though

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gbee:

I did

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daviey:

yuk, usb

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juski:

heh if usb devices didn't disconnect daily I might consider one

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gbee:

it's more expensive than the PCI model though :(

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juski:

the nova-t 500 is cheaper?!

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juski:

I found the TD for around £60

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gbee:

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juski:

blim!

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daviey:

bought Nova-t for >£20 18months ago

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juski:

I think pc world are still selling nova-t cards for that

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gbee:

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gbee:

daviey: lucky

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daviey:

gbee, not 500 though

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gbee:

not when I looked, at least not in their online store which tends to be a little cheaper

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daviey:

but two single cards cheaper than one dual

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juski:

same with pvr150 cards though innit

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juski:

these days it's getting harder to find motherboards with a good number of pci slots

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jduggan_:

daviey: yea but also consume more room

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gbee:

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juski:

and where are all the pci-e tuner cards?

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jduggan_:

which ties in with what juski just said

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daviey:

true, but when you have a bulky backend in the loft – you don't care

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gbee:

that's the main reason I went for the 500, prior to that I was looking for another Nova-T

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juski:

I still have one slot spare but that might get an ide controller stuffed in there

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laga:

oooh! the minimyth http interface is nifty!

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juski:

my recordings drive is still on the same channel as the dvdrom

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jduggan_:

heh

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juski:

laga: welcome to minimyth :)

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jduggan_:

how often do you use dvdrom in the backend?

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daviey:

laga, print screen?

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juski:

jduggan_: er... to install the OS

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gbee:

juski: it's going to be tricky when the only cards on offer are PCI-E, like most people I'm using some older kit for my backends and I'd have to upgrade for PCI-E

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jduggan_:

juski: not too often then :)

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jduggan_:

unless you're someone that likes to rebuild every other week :)

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juski:

jduggan_: it's a myth that slower IDE devices bring the other device down to the same speed.. at least now it is ;)

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juski:

well since ATA5 IIRC

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laga:

juski: $things will choke, though, if two ide devices on the same channel are set to different DMA levels afaik

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juski:

hmmm maybe that's what's been making my backend stop actually

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juski:

like if ubunut is polling the dvd drive for some reason

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laga:

daviey: http://laga.ath.cx/minimyth-iegd

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laga:

juski: ubuntu doesn't enable DMA on cd drives, afaik. that's why it takes ages to boot this box :/

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gbee:

damn, that reminds me that I was supposed to be disassembling a DVD-Rom driver today

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gbee:

s/driver/drive/

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daviey:

laga, nice – thanks

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gbee:

afk

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daviey:

juski, what changes have you made to blootube*?

[11:36:50]

juski:

the list view in mythvideo

[11:37:07]

juski:

it's now more in keeping with the rest of t' theme

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daviey:

oh okay, nice

[11:37:38]

juski:

I think I also changed some text colours but can't be sure

[11:37:56]

juski:

sometimes I miss stuff from the readme

[11:38:13]

juski:

anyway it *might* be more logical now I can't remember ;)

[11:38:45]

juski:

I noticed last night that none of my themes have watermarks (button images) for playback groups

[11:39:01]

juski:

I'll have to fix that

[11:39:19]

juski:

funny how nobody else has commented on that yet

[11:41:09]

juski:

back to the old problem of how to represent a playback group pictorially

[11:41:47]

juski:

maybe a venn diagram or something...

[11:41:55]

laga:

a spreadhsset and a play button?

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laga:

spreadsheet*

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juski:

my fave watermark from neon-wide is the 'mythrecipe' one

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juski:

it's only there for completeness, but it's nice

[11:43:42]

laga:

;)

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akifdino:

juski: blootube is very slow here if i compare it with the other themes, is there anything i can do about it

[11:44:02]

juski:

very slow?

[11:44:13]

juski:

what do you mean by that?

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laga:

get more RAM ;)

[11:44:35]

juski:

blootube is pretty light on ram compared to blootube-wide

[11:44:38]

akifdino:

juski: yes, if i start my frontend with this theme it first takes much more time to startup then with the other themes, and also if i change to video or music

[11:44:52]

akifdino:

juski: yes but i have a 16:9 lcd

[11:45:04]

juski:

are you using blootube-wide?

[11:45:08]

akifdino:

yes

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juski:

then say blootube-wide then!

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akifdino:

pardon, yes you are right

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juski:

anyway it'll be slower because its images are *much* bigger than in any other theme

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juski:

so myth will take longer to load the image cache

[11:46:02]

akifdino:

scaling also takes longer

[11:46:18]

juski:

yeah well it will, when the images are bigger and there are more of them

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juski:

exactly *why* myth has to load cached images into ram has been discussed but I dunno where the discussion went

[11:47:16]

akifdino:

btw technotrend c 1500 works great here

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laga:

because disk access would be awfully slow? ;)

[11:47:30]

laga:

akifdino: nice

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juski:

akifdino: you know where the capture card matrix is in the wiki :)

[11:47:48]

akifdino:

laga: yes really cool, the only thing is that i missed to order a ci module

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akifdino:

juski: no?

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juski:

laga: yes, but would it be slow enough to notice?

[11:48:10]

laga:

akifdino: they are not that expensive. 30€ or so. don't forget to order a CAM as well (40–120€)

[11:48:33]

akifdino:

laga: yes but ordering it is necessary, since al the base privat channels are encrypted here

[11:48:42]

juski:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Video_captur . . . _Card_Matrix

[11:48:44]

akifdino:

laga: and i forgot to order it unfortunately

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laga:

juski: probably. i wonder why we can't put a slightly compressed version of those images into RAM. i mean, we can decompress mpeg4 in realtime too ;)

[11:49:19]

** juski wonders how trollboy is getting on with his computer smashing **

[11:49:44]

akifdino:

juski: i've seen this wiki page before, but it wasn't there the c1500

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akifdino:

can i somehow emulate the CI module?

[11:50:05]

juski:

akifdino: maybe it isn't there, but you have one & you know it works

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akifdino:

juski: ahh ok, sure

[11:50:24]

juski:

akifdino: you probably could but you can't talk about it here

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akifdino:

juski: ok

[11:51:04]

akifdino:

is anyone maintaining this wiki page, he could add this card also to the list

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laga:

akifdino: you are supposed to add it to the list ;)

[11:51:53]

akifdino:

laga: hehe, ok, andif i do not know for example what CC Stream is, can i just place a questionmark to it?

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juski:

it's dvb, so there's no CC stream as such

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akifdino:

ok an dwhat about CC mpeg2, also what does cc stand for?

[11:52:35]

juski:

closed caption

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laga:

god, rsnapshot is killing this box ://

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laga:

actually, it's virtualbox using 100% cpu :/

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juski:

so your card will do CC mpeg2, akifdino

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akifdino:

ok juski

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akifdino:

it is doing hardware based encoding, doesn't it? since it is dvb?

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juski:

nope

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akifdino:

juski: no?

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akifdino:

can anyone have a look into the wiki page video capture cards to see if the entry for c1500 is ok

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akifdino:

just to avoid mistakes

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juski:

where did you put it?

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akifdino:

terratech c-1500

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akifdino:

noo

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akifdino:

techno trend tt-budget c1–1500

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juski:

it's not there

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akifdino:

juski: i can see it

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W6SN:

<- feels like a finn.

[12:12:22]

W6SN:

drunk.

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akifdino:

juski: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Video_capture_card i added it

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juski:

akifdino: looks fine :)

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akifdino:

ok

[12:15:19]

dustybin:

i think my HD on my mythbox is on its way out, but its only 3 months old :-S. The HD LED stays on really faintly, there is this buzzing sound what builds up over about 5 seconds then stops when the hard drive clicks, then this buzzing sound builds up again..

[12:15:48]

juski:

dustybin: yeah, it's fucked

[12:16:03]

dustybin:

its a 3 month old seagate :-S

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dustybin:

but they are guaranteed!

[12:16:26]

dustybin:

for 5 years! :)

[12:16:32]

dustybin:

no, forever!

[12:16:36]

juski:

use their util to diagnose it, then get an RMA number

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dustybin:

ok

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gardengnome:

get a backup.

[12:17:21]

dustybin:

seagate have made really silent drives and really noisy drives, this one is noisy for a seagate so hopfullly they will replace it with a silent one

[12:17:46]

gardengnome:

AFAIK, seagate's PATA drives are quiet and the SATA ones are noisy because they set the AAM to a fixed value

[12:17:56]

dustybin:

i see

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W6SN:

what is aam?

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dustybin:

i was thinking about selling it and getting a samsung spinpoint, ive read lots of good stories about those drives

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dustybin:

infact a whole silent pc forum has a hard drive section just about dedicated to the spinpoint

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juski:

aam == advanced acoustic management

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juski:

they change the seek algorithms

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gardengnome:

juski: i've thrown some of my minimyth shenanigans upstream to pablo. looks like he'll eb accepting the patches for the kernel and minimyth

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W6SN:

ah

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W6SN:

sorry, i'm a little pissed

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krabbypants:

how do i get myth tv to connect to mysql?

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Machtin:

krabbypants: enter the password/coorect ip

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Machtin:

and correct user..

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krabbypants:

ok,let me think

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krabbypants:

im slow

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Machtin:

so am i

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krabbypants:

ok i have to set up mythconverge datebase in mysql, how?

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krabbypants:

oh so you execute a command with a semicolin, im reading an old mysql book..

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dustybin:

could this be the end of my SATA controller on my mobo :-S

[12:38:29]

dustybin:

Aerial >>> TV Card >>> E S D >>> Motherboard Damage

[12:43:38]

krabbypants:

i have a similar problem as this person but i can logg into mysql

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krabbypants:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/257397

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krabbypants:

whats the best alternative to mythtv, i will sacrifice any functionality, ill use vlc, kafeen .. anyhting but the command line..

[13:04:03]

krabbypants:

the command line works but id like to be able to view what im recording as its recording

[13:04:55]

krabbypants:

anyone ?

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dhofstra:

I have a setup with two PVR250s and one PCHDTV3000; Lately, Myth's LiveTV will start out with the HDTV rather than the PVR which is what I would prefer. Any thoughts on how to change the livetv tuner order?

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fryfrog:

dhofstra: set the "priority" of the cards, HDTV +1 and PVR250 to 0

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dustybin:

krabbypants: i dont understand what u are saying, u can view recordings whilst u watch them on mythtv

[13:17:56]

fryfrog:

then, either tick the "prefent livetv conflicts with recordings"

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fryfrog:

or untick

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fryfrog:

i forget the exact working

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dustybin:

krabbypants: there is no 'best' alternative to mythtv, but this is a 'shit' alternative called Win MCE

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dhofstra:

fryfrog Thanks, that's what I thought would have to be done,.... not optimal as you begin to load up the drive with HDTV recordings, but what's a guy to do.....

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daviey:

juski, what licence are you releasing your themes as?

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juski:

re

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juski:

huh?

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juski:

fuck knows, daviey

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juski:

free for all, change it if you like & all that bollocks

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juski:

though I say GPL 2 if you care to read README.txt

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juski:

I'm not all that fussed tbh – I have permission to redistribute the components that aren't mine and it's pretty damn obvious who made em so er... :)

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juski:

gardengnome: yay! I wonder what's gonna happen about the smurfs though

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juski:

actually I think last time I tried to play a transcoded recording on minimyth it came out blue so maybe the smurfy patch is needed anyway!

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daviey:

GPL 2 sounds good :P

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akifdino:

i've some music album entries which occure as special characters in mythtv, where do they come from? is there a better alternatif for solving music management via web than mythmusic?

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juski:

akifdino: welcome to the weird world of utf-8

[14:11:26]

akifdino:

juski: ahh, that makes sence

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dustybin:

haha this is funny

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dustybin:

Encoder 1 is local on debian and is watching Live TV: 'Beauty and the Geek' on Channel 4. This recording will end at 2:50 PM.

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juski:

briand: so that's the little task I've set myself

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akifdino:

juski: do you have any suggestions?

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juski:

dustybin: your home life?

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dustybin:

heh yes

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juski:

akifdino: no, sorry

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dustybin:

im sure those guys are IRC users

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juski:

babe-aliscious woman, meet emo, emo, emo, emo and emo

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juski:

right. concentrate. need to make an icon for playback groups

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juski:

got it!

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Milosch:

kinda partial to 'Parachute Woman', but eh

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briand:

juski: rather than 'break' all the themes with the patch, why not simply make the changes to those theme xml files as necessary, and include that patch on the ticket? that's what I did with the sortkey patch

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daviey:

Parachute women?

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Milosch:

rolling stones...

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briand:

(which, i'm remindming myself, needs to be updated and brought up to current svn)

[14:15:17]

juski:

briand: but.. using a checkbox as a button – it's a bit hackish

[14:15:30]

briand:

well, yeah, there is that. :)

[14:15:34]

juski:

esp. when the button ui type can do the job already

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jd86:

Wow. This is going so nicely I think I might put dvd drives in other machines

[14:16:34]

juski:

for the record, gbee doesn't like the way it's implemented either but he's not got time to do it properly. it's being held back from submission incase another patch comes along that'll do the job ;)

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briand:

juski: so, you're saying that the current patch 'works', but it should be done differently instead

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juski:

briand: basically

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jd86:

can mtd be run on a remote host?

[14:17:26]

juski:

plus it wouldn't do me any harm to get a bit of experience with qt, no matter how tiny

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akifdino:

can i watch a tv channel and record an other with a dvb card like to technotrend?

[14:17:32]

briand:

juski: how involved is the change in the theme for the current patch to work?

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juski:

briand: one line and an extra image for every button

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juski:

plus it's gonna break backwards compatibility

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juski:

so if it were comitted, you'd need 2 theme versions – one for svn users & one for other users

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juski:

that's actually my issue with it

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briand:

so you want to display the following states: unselected, selected, active, is_pressed

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juski:

why would it need four states?

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juski:

inactive, ON & pressed, surely

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gardengnome:

juski: i like how pablo wrote his own hardware detection script ;)

[14:20:00]

juski:

gardengnome: yeah it's neat-o-matic

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daviey:

Why can't svn support legacy themes then?

[14:20:17]

gardengnome:

juski: yeah. id on't really understand it, though, but it's neat ;)

[14:20:22]

juski:

daviey: because if a theme has elements missing, nasty things can happen

[14:20:29]

jd86:

in the ripping of dvds screen, can I leave it while its processing and have it continue?

[14:20:30]

briand:

yeah, you could probably do away with the selected/unselected, as i don't think the UI on that screen lets you cursor over to those buttons

[14:21:33]

juski:

if *extra* elements are added that are needed for svn, previous versions of myth just ignore them :)

[14:21:44]

daviey:

oic – there are more requirements....

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gbee:

even if missing theme elements didn't cause problems (and they don't have to), the older theme would wouldn't have the buttons displayed/working

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briand:

and you'll get a box (usually) that says this theme is missing a container for 'blahblahblah'

[14:22:12]

juski:

or segfaults

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juski:

that's something else that needs looked at

[14:22:30]

daviey:

mythtv and segfault? naa never

[14:22:34]

juski:

if mythgallery has theme elements missing, it segfaults

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gbee:

if it segfaults that's really a bug and can/should be fixed

[14:22:42]

briand:

i've been lucky in avoiding the segfaults, I guess, back when i was running a heavily-patched visor theme for quite some time

[14:22:52]

juski:

it *shouldn't* do that because I've seen code in there to report what's not found

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briand:

I've never compiled/installed mythgallery, so maybe that's why I wasn't bit

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gbee:

in the past some people have been a little lazy in assuming that containers will always be present in the theme – it's not the case throughout but there are a few places it happens

[14:24:32]

juski:

the last lot of menu items that went into mythgallery – if those are missing it'll segfault

[14:24:58]

daviey:

sounds like my level of code

[14:25:05]

juski:

I didn't find anything that said the crash had been fixed, either

[14:25:08]

gbee:

in some places there are optional containers, which aren't used in every theme but give some choice to the designer

[14:25:30]

juski:

gbee: yeah, hence some themes being much bigger tarballs than others ;)

[14:25:56]

juski:

a fair number of themes just use the defaults

[14:26:20]

gbee:

no-one is yet using the 'time remaining' stuff I committed in a theme :)

[14:26:43]

juski:

not yet gbee , not yet... it's on my list

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juski:

and I dont even use livetv

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gbee:

works for both livetv and recordings

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gbee:

I did hack it into blootube to test, but it would look better if I could right align it

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juski:

that's gonna need some more work then ;)

[14:29:29]

briand:

gbee: in the OSD for pause, seek, &c?

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daviey:

get on with it – so i can package!

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juski:

there we go. one new icon done

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juski:

now I just need to do that for the other themes & commit them to my svn then do hairballs & upload em

[14:36:26]

daviey:

hmm – will they work with 0.20?

[14:37:16]

juski:

yup

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juski:

the mythmusic changes haven't been committed yet so I'm holding back on changing my themes :)

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gardengnome:

did you make mythmusic usable? ;)

[14:38:10]

** juski laughs **

[14:38:21]

juski:

somebody else is working on that one

[14:38:24]

gardengnome:

gbee?

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briand:

a couple somebodys, by my count

[14:38:54]

briand:

paulh, too

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daviey:

juski, can you ping me when the tar's are up so i can package them?

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gardengnome:

briand: nice

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gardengnome:

i hope they can turn it into something nice

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gardengnome:

BTW, how is metadata for music and video stored, eg associated with a file? i'd like to have the same metadata available on two frontends but i don't want to enter it twice.

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gbee:

it's stored in the database, for music at least – don't know about videos but probably the same

[14:41:10]

juski:

daviey: will do

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daviey:

ta

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juski:

all metadata is stored in the database

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gardengnome:

gbee: yeah, but aren't there issues when the path to the music files is different?

[14:41:44]

juski:

gardengnome: yeah to the path issues

[14:41:51]

juski:

mount everything to the same path ftw!

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gbee:

gardengnome: yeah

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gbee:

er, what juski said

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gardengnome:

nice

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juski:

mythvideo doesn't even work with different paths.. that lesson took a lot of figuring out

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_just:

hi

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gardengnome:

i'm gonna do a slow trsnition from my old mythtv box to the new one, i think

[14:43:06]

_just:

can someone help me with the setup of my ff dvb-s card ? i dont get it to work ...

[14:43:26]

_just:

it is recognized .. but i cant start a channel scan

[14:44:00]

juski:

_just: there's a good guide on www.mythwiki.de

[14:44:13]

gardengnome:

yeah, read the Ubuntu guide there.

[14:44:36]

juski:

it's not just for ubunut users :)

[14:44:39]

gardengnome:

took me a long time to train you guys to direct people with a *.de hostmask to the german wiki ;)

[14:44:48]

_just:

:-)

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juski:

gardengnome: you just need to have it in English on the main wiki too :)

[14:45:57]

_just:

maybe im blind .. but i dont find the ubuntu tut

[14:46:10]

_just:

i only found one for debian

[14:46:19]

gardengnome:

juski: http://www.mythwiki.de/index.php?title=Ubuntu

[14:46:40]

gardengnome:

juski: i was thinking about translating $stuff, but it's painful and takes ages

[14:47:08]

gardengnome:

juski: whenever i write a guide, i want it to be complete, accurate and understandable. that's why i haven't written any guides in a long time.

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juski:

I should develop my themes with an svn frontend – at least then I could have multiple theme caches

[14:53:13]

_just:

im gettin crazy ... its working

[14:53:16]

_just:

:-)

[14:53:18]

_just:

cant believe it

[14:53:26]

_just:

i spend my whole weekend for this :-)

[14:54:05]

_just:

this guide is worth gold :-)

[14:54:38]

juski:

three cheers for gardengnome !

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Dr_willis:

:)

[14:54:47]

gardengnome:

it was hamsta who wrote that guide

[14:54:48]

gardengnome:

;)

[14:55:03]

juski:

and six cheers for hamsta!

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gardengnome:

heh

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juski:

wtf is that guy on the -users list on about? the Vera font my themes use is $35 to download?!

[15:01:06]

juski:

btw for the log, if anybody ever has an issue with any themes where the menus only get drawn as you move the selection button, clear out the themecache dir in ~/.mythtv !

[15:01:26]

** juski will *try* to remember to make a note of that elsewhere **

[15:01:38]

jd86:

Visualization says Visualization requires FFT library Did you configure? << I wonder what fft library is

[15:01:50]

juski:

libfft-dev maybe?

[15:02:17]

jd86:

(gentoo)

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juski:

I'm looking forward to seeing a message like "Visualization requires libvisual"

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jd86:

heh

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jd86:

hmm I'd say that running mtd and trying to listen to music might be too much

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blackest:

hi

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blackest:

I want to set up a second tuner on my mythtv backend but I am not sure how to go about it as it is analog

[15:09:39]

briand:

1) physically install the new tuner card.

[15:09:51]

briand:

2) install/configure the drivers for the new card in linux

[15:09:59]

juski:

2a) verify it works in linux

[15:09:59]

briand:

3) tell myth about the new card

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jd86:

Hey look! a visualization

[15:11:36]

jd86:

I guess only some of them require this socalled fft

[15:11:55]

blackest:

well the card is installed and working its at /dev/video2 however I can't find a guide to setting up an analog card in mythtv

[15:12:21]

briand:

blackest: what card is it?

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blackest:

its a kworld dvb210 a hybrid card

[15:13:04]

juski:

arghhh!

[15:13:06]

briand:

blackest: did you search the mailing lists, how-tos, wikis, and/or google for "kworld dvb210" ?

[15:13:46]

blackest:

there is very little on it I had to create the dvb driver myself

[15:14:08]

juski:

hybrid cards can be er.. 'difficult'

[15:14:29]

blackest:

lol so it seems for everything

[15:14:39]

juski:

no I mean DIFFICULT

[15:15:03]

juski:

as in ... makes lots of other stuff look like a picnic

[15:15:09]

blackest:

got a mercury capture card at dev/video1 would that be easier

[15:15:51]

juski:

see the problem with hybrid cards is that they're 2 (or more) different kinds of devices on one card that cannot be used at the same time

[15:15:55]

jd86:

i think this motherboard I have here isn't very good at sharing. it seems that when I'm doing one thing... thats all i'm going to do

[15:16:12]

juski:

so if mythtv is going to record a show from the dvb section but doesn't know you're using the analogue section... oof!

[15:16:40]

juski:

I think some work has been put into svn mythtv to help with that though – but don't ask me how far it goes

[15:17:25]

blackest:

ah ok well then best ignore the analog on the dvb card and concentrate on the mercury card i guess

[15:17:34]

juski:

for my money, for the time being I'd stay away from the analogue side of the card

[15:17:48]

blackest:

ok agreed :)

[15:17:58]

juski:

analogue is going bye-byes before we're all very much older anyway :)

[15:18:13]

briand:

yes and no

[15:18:23]

blackest:

about 5 years i think

[15:18:37]

briand:

OTA analog is.. but cable companies can send analog for decades to come, if they wish

[15:18:38]

daviey:

hopefully – then we can used the bandwidth for hdtv

[15:18:54]

juski:

analogue cards will continue to be useful for capturing from cable & cable boxen though

[15:18:56]

daviey:

briand, don't care about their spectrum

[15:19:12]

juski:

daviey: almost done

[15:19:29]

juski:

damn I'm gonna have to update the readme files & my webshite

[15:19:42]

daviey:

if ntl/virgin provide firewire – i may consider getting cable. Until then dvb-t

[15:20:01]

juski:

daviey: I do like your sense of humour

[15:20:02]

daviey:

juski, don't hurry – means i have to do what i said

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juski:

;)

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briand:

daviey: i'm sure the cable companies would prefer every switch to their digital tier service, but they're not willing to shut out the portion of their users that lack the equipment for it

[15:20:19]

juski:

virgin provide firewire... <guffaws>

[15:20:38]

juski:

they might do that before $KY do though

[15:20:44]

blackest:

virgin dont provide sky1 now

[15:20:50]

juski:

blackest: so?

[15:21:00]

daviey:

oh no – no lost or 24

[15:21:33]

blackest:

there are other sources for lost...

[15:21:33]

juski:

FWIW I like my hit US TV shows in surround sound, so I go for er.. 'other methods'

[15:21:52]

juski:

such as box sets :)

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gardengnome:

cute. juski buys DVDs! :)

[15:21:57]

daviey:

i'm inclined to believe virgins side on the farce – as sky haven't denied it

[15:22:14]

juski:

both are as bad as the each other

[15:22:20]

juski:

Virgin slightly less so

[15:22:24]

daviey:

i s'pose i could burn mine into box sets :P

[15:22:34]

juski:

renaming their channel placeholders was extremely childish

[15:22:35]

jd86:

is there a cable provider called virgin?

[15:22:40]

juski:

Virgin Media

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jd86:

they should meet up with my cable provider... cox

[15:22:52]

juski:

as in Sir Richard of Branson

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juski:

lol

[15:23:04]

juski:

Cox meets Virgin.. hymen broken!

[15:23:08]

jd86:

hah

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briand:

i just bought a box set (25 DVDs)... all 5 seasons of 'Get Smart' ...classic comedy from the mid/late-60's

[15:23:10]

blackest:

kind of ironic sky advertise on virgin how to switch to satellite since virgin doesn't have sky1

[15:23:26]

Dr_willis:

Hmm.. My mythtv box is now an hour off the time..

[15:23:29]

juski:

blackest: really? ROFLMAO!

[15:23:35]

Dr_willis:

i must have the dst set wrong.

[15:23:43]

daviey:

blackest, been doing similar thing for a decade

[15:23:56]

jd86:

Dr_willis, you update all of yoru timezone-data and stuff?

[15:23:57]

blackest:

yeah saw the ad on ch4 on cable i guess they have no choice

[15:24:00]

briand:

Dr_willis: or failed to update for the new TZ... daylight savings time is different this year

[15:24:04]

juski:

blackest: maybe they're hoping that VM cable users are going round to friends' houses where they have $KY

[15:24:13]

Dr_willis:

yep. thats what im looking into.

[15:24:20]

Dr_willis:

ubuntu box set itself fine

[15:24:25]

jd86:

Dr_willis, what os ?

[15:24:28]

jd86:

or distro i should say

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blackest:

I only use the analog signal on cable

[15:24:41]

briand:

all my linux boxes are fine. my WinXP box will switch in a couple weeks

[15:24:42]

juski:

you USA folks should be out saving energy. get off the intertubes

[15:24:51]

gardengnome:

yeah

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gardengnome:

heh

[15:24:53]

briand:

...it may be that long before I use that machine, anyway

[15:25:00]

Dr_willis:

older knoppmyth,

[15:25:06]

Dr_willis:

trying apt-get update on it now.

[15:25:11]

jd86:

juski, i think it costs more to switch it all around than for turning lights off earlier.

[15:25:39]

blackest:

can someone point me in the right direction for an analog mythguide so i can set up another tuner?

[15:25:39]

daviey:

actually, when i plugged the ntl/virgin analogue feed straight in – i had sky one – unscrambled; this was 2 years ago mind

[15:25:48]

juski:

just wait til you can no longer buy incandescent lightbulbs :(

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blackest:

sky1 was unscrambled for xmas too

[15:26:11]

jd86:

i think its only like 5w of the 60w incandescent bulb that emits in the visual range....

[15:26:20]

juski:

jd86: yup

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gardengnome:

jd86: no, only 5% which is even less AFAIK

[15:26:36]

gardengnome:

i've ordered some LED light bulbs. i hope it'll work out

[15:26:47]

jd86:

ah, I wasn't sure, i thought someone told me 5w, but it doesn't matter... its ridiculous

[15:26:49]

juski:

if you look at those 2W Luxeon LEDs.. they're bright as f...

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jd86:

i have those florescent bulbs like 15w a d they're bright

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daviey:

standard bulb size / connector?

[15:27:28]

juski:

daviey: nah

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juski:

daviey: but you can buy LED bulbs

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gardengnome:

daviey: they're available with standard connectors

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jd86:

ya know, if we stop burning oil and find something better maybe we can keep our incandescent bulbs

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gardengnome:

jd86: why should we?

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juski:

jd86: if you stop using more oil producing biofuels ;)

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gardengnome:

efficiency should always be as high as possible, even if it's just to entertain some geeks

[15:28:48]

jd86:

gardengnome, thats true.

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gardengnome:

jd86: 5% efficiency is ridiculous.

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juski:

I find it really funny how Bush is talking about moving over to more biofuels when most biofuel production actually emits more carbon than petrol

[15:29:10]

daviey:

my electric bill is £140 p/m or something!

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jd86:

but i am guessing having all of my mythtv setup uses more power than if we used incandescent bulb.s

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jd86:

my electric bill is over 200$

[15:29:27]

juski:

daviey: time to bin the athlon XP boxen then :)

[15:29:28]

gardengnome:

daviey: wow. that's a lot

[15:29:43]

gardengnome:

jd86: per month or per year?

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jd86:

gardengnome, month.

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juski:

has anybody bothered to look how much power those massive plasmas take?

[15:29:58]

jd86:

house of 4 though and all of the goodies that go along with it.

[15:29:59]

gardengnome:

wow, and i thought i was bad.

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juski:

fucking 500W, some of em

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daviey:

juski, althon use alot?

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daviey:

my backend is an athlon xp

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juski:

daviey: more than more modern processors, fer sure

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gardengnome:

juski: they don't really draw 500W. most athlon boxes will draw around 100 oer 120W i guess

[15:30:42]

jd86:

gardengnome, i probably have too many computers going...

[15:31:00]

juski:

my BE draws 120W, 24/7

[15:31:20]

gardengnome:

jd86: i'm trying hard to turn mine off and save power everywhere. some of that can be accomplished without losing any comfort, eg i suspend my machines when i'm away

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juski:

we saved about £10 a month just from me switching my main desktop machine off when I'm not using it

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jd86:

i have about 10/11 computers on all of the time (some without hard drives and such though)

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gardengnome:

juski: think of all the cigarettes you can buy for that money ;)

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juski:

gardengnome: yeah.. two packs

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gardengnome:

jd86: poor environment. ;)

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jd86:

anyway, i'll be back later.

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daviey:

bye

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gardengnome:

burning some old tires in the backyard, huh? ;) (j/k)

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daviey:

my frontend gets switched off when not being used now

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gardengnome:

with mythshutdown, you can shut it down over night AFAIK

[15:33:38]

juski:

I might look into doing that

[15:33:52]

juski:

now my devices always come up in the right order!

[15:33:54]

gardengnome:

it's not like it needs to be running while you are at sleep

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juski:

I dunno what that's gonna do w.r.t. wear & tear on the HDDs though

[15:34:43]

gardengnome:

is one reboot/day going to hurt them much?

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gardengnome:

might be more, though

[15:35:11]

juski:

according to all the HDD tech people I've ever spoken to, it's negligble – in theory

[15:35:25]

juski:

but then they say a lot of bullshit stuff about MTBFs

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daviey:

yeah my be is also a voip servet and torrentbox so it needs to be up

[15:36:04]

juski:

I've been thinking about trying to make my HDDs spin down once in a while too

[15:36:27]

juski:

I wish it was easier to enable in linux

[15:36:28]

daviey:

they aint clockwork ;P

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daviey:

everytime i reboot my be i cross my fingers and hope it comes back up

[15:38:01]

juski:

gardengnome: and that'll do it automagically?

[15:38:23]

juski:

makes me wonder why linux doesn't enable it by default or whatever

[15:38:25]

gardengnome:

juski: it's not hard. the system disk won't go to sleep though because processes will be wirting to it. that's why the so-called "laptop mode" was introduced, it'll prevent them buffers from getting flushed for 10 minutes. i don't know if you want to shut down your hard drive every ten minutes, though ;)

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juski:

so if I put that hdparm command in say rc.local for my 'other' HDDs, I'm good?

[15:39:11]

gardengnome:

juski: i don't remember the exact command, see the man page of hdparm. i need to run now :)

[15:39:21]

juski:

thanks for the tip anyhow :)

[15:39:23]

gardengnome:

in theory, yes. if it was the right command :)

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juski:

heheh

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dustybin:

im going to rsync my mp3 folder on my mythtv box to this machine

[15:43:54]

daviey:

i really should set up a script to backup my db

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daviey:

as a cron

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dustybin:

use this daviey

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dustybin:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/automysqlbackup/

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daviey:

dustybin, ta – makes it a bit easyier

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daviey:

also want to backup /etc but that's easier than sql

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** juski makes some hairballs **

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daviey:

then cough them up to your site

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juski:

coughing em up now

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snk00sj:

hi guys

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daviey:

snk00sj, hi

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snk00sj:

i just got my PVR150 running, and mythtv installed

[15:49:38]

daviey:

snk00sj, geez – bet you need a rest now

[15:49:53]

snk00sj:

yeah, i do :)

[15:50:05]

snk00sj:

i am just writing the intro of my problem, gimme a minute :)

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daviey:

snk00sj, what distro?

[15:50:09]

snk00sj:

ubuntu

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daviey:

NO

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daviey:

you have 45 seconds

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snk00sj:

ohhh thats the rule here ? :)

[15:50:39]

daviey:

no – i just decided

[15:50:47]

juski:

you have 21 seconds to comply...

[15:50:47]

daviey:

because i'm a git

[15:51:34]

juski:

"/kickbanifusertooslow ..."

[15:51:45]

briand:

tick...tick...tick...

[15:51:58]

juski:

oo we just went to split-screens

[15:52:03]

juski:

:)

[15:52:11]

snk00sj:

;p

[15:52:19]

juski:

how the hell can neon-wide work? it's less than 2GB

[15:52:23]

snk00sj:

well, i don't seem to find a way to get the correct video source

[15:53:02]

snk00sj:

i grabbed the channel info, using grab_be script, filled it in the mysql database using the ./filldatabase script thingie

[15:53:19]

snk00sj:

but my guess is i have to run mythtv-setup just untill the video source is fine ?

[15:54:30]

daviey:

it's just the listings you have a problem with?

[15:55:03]

juski:

fcuking hell! UK peeps – you seen this? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/257628

[15:55:20]

snk00sj:

well infact, i think my main problem is i don't have any capturing output

[15:55:32]

snk00sj:

but indeed, the listings (video sources) is a secondary problem

[15:55:34]

Dr_willis:

Odd...

[15:55:37]

Dr_willis:

Time server different with local time is too large : 39150 days

[15:55:41]

Dr_willis:

heh

[15:55:54]

Dr_willis:

i wonder if my bios battery is dead

[15:56:58]

snk00sj:

when i use cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test.mpg the output is a video file, but all "snow"

[15:57:21]

juski:

snk00sj: that just means it isn't tuned into anything

[15:57:25]

snk00sj:

my first guess is the cable is not connected, but it is, and dmesg also states that the card is recognised just fine

[15:57:56]

daviey:

think this makes a nice frontend? http://www.poweroverethernet.com/products.php?article_id=378

[15:57:59]

daviey:

runs CE tho

[15:59:58]

juski:

daviey: !!! want one !!!

[16:00:30]

daviey:

how cute would that be

[16:01:12]

juski:

makes me wonder why all those network music players are a) so damn big and b) so damn crap

[16:02:25]

juski:

they have a UK seller...

[16:02:31]

daviey:

same as, from what i was reading about the new inux bios – the same question can be asked – what the current bios dev's are doing!

[16:03:27]

snk00sj:

juski : i did tune in the channel

[16:03:36]

snk00sj:

vtv-tune -d /dev/video0 --list-channels --freqtable=europe-west does give me a list of all frequencies ?

[16:03:57]

juski:

snk00sj: yes but that only lists the frequencies

[16:04:06]

juski:

you need to tune it to a frequency

[16:04:11]

juski:

ah

[16:04:13]

snk00sj:

yes thats what i did

[16:04:18]

snk00sj:

but the listing, my first command

[16:04:20]

juski:

well is there anything on that frequency?

[16:04:24]

snk00sj:

is that being done realtime ?

[16:04:34]

snk00sj:

i mean, does the card scan for frequencies that have output ?

[16:04:48]

juski:

no it doesn't

[16:04:58]

snk00sj:

is there a way to do that ?

[16:05:09]

snk00sj:

the problem is i don't know exactly which tv provider i have (shared building)

[16:05:11]

juski:

not AFAIK

[16:05:23]

juski:

daviey: over 200 quids!

[16:06:19]

juski:

you could hide one one the back of a nice monitor though :)

[16:06:36]

juski:

bah 333Mhz Risc CPU

[16:06:57]

juski:

might not make a good frontend but you could do all sorts of cool stuff widdit

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daviey:

there's a 500mhz one isn't there?

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juski:

yeah there is

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juski:

but it's more spons

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daviey:

Thing is, you don't need much to do a XDMCP to a cheap beige backend

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daviey:

put the processing power onto the backend

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snk00sj:

can anyone tell me if its possible to just scan for channels ?

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daviey:

signal wise?

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snk00sj:

because the button 'scan channels' in mythtv is disabled for me,a lthough it does recognise my PVR150

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snk00sj:

yeh

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daviey:

you need to join them together, juski wha's it called?

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daviey:

input connections?

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daviey:

juski, your turdballs done?

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jd86:

anyone here use lirc to turn tv on / off with remote that controls mythtv?

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anykey_:

yes, but I'm using an universal remote

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daviey:

yes, but i have a serial / rs232 cable running to my tv

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daviey:

and fire off a script that sends a on/off command

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jd86:

oh

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jd86:

so no one doing blaster stuff

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daviey:

naa

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daviey:

serial cable is cheaper and tidier IMHO

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jd86:

i also need to figure out what I can do for the livingroom tv which uses rf remote.

[16:43:08]

jd86:

well I don't ahve any sort of inputs on meh tv.

[16:43:41]

jd86:

i used to do the serial/rs232 for cable box control

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clever:

i have an ir blaster

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clever:

and i programed alt+f2 on my mythtv keyboard for running irsend which would work

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clever:

but i cant find the lirc code for my tv

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jd86:

ooh

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jd86:

i wonder if you could use irecord to record it off of standard remote and then use that? (ive never done blaster)

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clever:

yeah you can probly record like that and then blast it out over and over

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clever:

but i dont have a receiver

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jd86:

ah.

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clever:

the blaster half was real easy to make

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jd86:

i have a hauppauge card, and it has blaster and receiver on same plug... but I don't know if there is linux support.

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clever:

ahhh

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jd86:

probably is

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clever:

is lirc installed/working?

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jd86:

yeah, i use it to control mythtv

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jd86:

but i haven't tried blaster

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** clever finds the command **

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clever:

run xmode2

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daviey:

jd86, there should be support for most haupage cards, what is it?

[16:46:39]

clever:

and push buttons on the remote to see if it does anything

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jd86:

daviey, its a pvr150 — the receiver works great, just never tried the blaster

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clever:

should see some kind of waveform of the remote's signal

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daviey:

or cat /dev/event0 (for a haupage card)

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daviey:

juski, ping

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gardengnome:

re

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daviey:

where is that man?

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jd86:

irrecord doesn't pick up my tv's remote.

[16:53:49]

jd86:

hmm

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daviey:

does it pick up another remote?

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jd86:

yep

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jd86:

i just wanted to record it to get the code to turn tv off and then try the blaster

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daviey:

ahh – could it be a RF remote?

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jd86:

nah i see the thing in my cameraphone when i press button at it :)

[16:57:03]

daviey:

ahh, try erm

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daviey:

wait 1

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jd86:

wait 1?

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gardengnome:

sleep(forever);

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daviey:

while back = false do; wait

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daviey:

i'm back

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jd86:

ok

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daviey:

try irrecord -f xxx.conf

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jd86:

same thing

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daviey:

;(

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_just:

i finally got my mythtv to run with dvb-s .. is there a channel.conf for astra available with all providers?

[17:01:47]

_just:

mine only finds a few

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_just:

and screen stays black

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daviey:

_just, you might get more help in #mythtv-de

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_just:

hm .. thx .. ill take a look

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daviey:

the germans seem to use dvb-s more

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Tanthrix:

Well, my system clock changed over to DST properly, and so did the Sunday/Monday schedules, but not Tuesday on.

[17:12:00]

Tanthrix:

I'm wondering if Zap2it has the wrong times in their data. Is there anyway to erase the schedule data and redownload it with mythfilldatabase?

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_just:

daviey: we dont have cable providers everywhere .. thats why we are forced to use satellite

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Tanthrix:

Does mythfilldatabase --refresh-all accomplish this?

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daviey:

juski, ?

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Tanthrix:

Something is seriously messed up with my recording database. I just reselected The Daily Show to record on all times on all channels and upon returning to the Scheduled Recordings menu I've got 20 random programs recording that I never set to record.

[17:29:15]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Yeah, sure. Go into mythtv-setup and delete the source, then re-add it.

[17:29:41]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: You also might want to look into possible updates to glibc to handle the time change or your stuff will *stay* wrong for the next two weeks

[17:30:39]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Glibc? I thought myth (and most things linux) got time from the time zone files and such.

[17:31:56]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: In any case, I think I may have bigger problems now since I've found 20 random programs I've never so much as checked the program details on set to record. And I'm certain this was not the case until I updated one show to record at all times on all channels, since I had checked just before then.

[17:33:45]

Tanthrix:

I'm afraid I have to run and take a friend to the train station. I'll be back in an hour but will read any responses I get while I am way. Thanks for the help!

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_just:

the channels search funktion is crashing all the time .. is it possible i found a bug ? its working fine with kaffeine...

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blackest:

hi back with a great little problem I have a box with multiple tuners problem is they wander when i reboot

[17:45:46]

jduggan_:

udev

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jduggan_:

common problem

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jduggan_:

google it

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blackest:

easy fix ?

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jduggan_:

pretty much

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jduggan_:

there's a few ways

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blackest:

so wandering video cards hmm what is good to google that

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tank-man:

upgrading to 2.6, edit some udev config rules, reall easy

[17:50:09]

blackest:

not what i have found so far

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juski:

daviey: ?

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daviey:

where have you been sonny?

[17:50:46]

juski:

watching a recording, hoovering the lounge...

[17:50:50]

daviey:

One of the tar's seems borked

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juski:

which one?

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daviey:

i can't remember now!! grr

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juski:

not neon-wide I hop

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daviey:

blootube-wide methinks

[17:52:15]

daviey:

i wget'd it twice

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juski:

hang on I'll give you an md5

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daviey:

Oh, who is the author of the 'huge' mythtv logo?

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juski:

4eeafdc249e19b4f7eeb5596f64e5a9e blootube-wide.tar.bz2

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juski:

me

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juski:

you want one that doesn't look shrink-wrapped?

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juski:

;)

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daviey:

good – do you care about that licence?

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juski:

yeah. non-distributable, non-anything :-P

[17:54:23]

juski:

just kidding :_

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juski:

:)

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daviey:

;)

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juski:

daviey: gonna re-upload that tarball

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daviey:

is it borked?

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juski:

wrong size so prolly

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daviey:

good 'o

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juski:

7 minutes left....

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juski:

less than 5 mins...

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juski:

right – off to watch '24'... back in a bit

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daviey:

bye

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coolperson:

Does any one know if there is a way to install mythtv without using atrpms?

[18:02:00]

coolperson:

if so is there a guide?

[18:03:28]

coolperson:

i installed mythv twice using the wilsonnet guide and both time atrpms caused conflicts to where i could not update my machine

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daviey:

coolperson, fedora?

[18:10:22]

coolperson:

ya

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daviey:

no idea – sorry

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daviey:

I'm a deb/ubuntu'er

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coolperson:

thanks anyway man i might try that some day but i just now feelike i can get around fedora ok

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daviey:

It is curable tho :P

[18:13:13]

Tanthrix:

I'm running Mandriva LE2005 which obviously needs updating.

[18:13:24]

Tanthrix:

But I'm fearful of using a new distro!

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daviey:

(secen dwarfs) Ubu, Ubu, it's off to ubuntu we go. dum de

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blackest:

jduggan are you here?

[18:17:08]

Tanthrix:

I've been using Mandrake since 8.2, and I hate it for a number of reasons (a general lack of cohesion, weird bugs, etc..) but I don't want to learn a whole new distro.

[18:17:37]

blackest:

with udev i think i have it right i have created 3 sym links called car kworld and mercury

[18:20:32]

cheesebo1:

hello

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Tanthrix:

gbee: Have you used Mandriva long? Is 2007 pretty decent?

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blackest:

cool my car is showing up on /dev/car :) channel1 so i guess i got it right just got to reconfigure mythtv to use mercury and kworld as tvcards

[18:26:58]

blackest:

Jduggan thanks for your help with the tvcards and udev

[18:36:37]

Octane:

is there a script to atuomatically download and set IMDB covers for movies?

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gbee:

Tanthrix: I've been using Mandriva since version 8 (before they change to the year name scheme)

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Tanthrix:

gbee: Do you stick with it because you like it, or because you're used to it?

[18:44:40]

Tanthrix:

For the most part it's ok, I've just had my share of weird bugs with it over the years.

[18:44:40]

gbee:

Tanthrix: a bit of both :)

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cheesebo1:

how much ram does mythtv need to funtion properly?

[18:45:04]

Tanthrix:

So I too don't know how it compares to anyone else, just that most people seem to neglect it in favor of ubuntu/debian/fedora.

[18:45:36]

Tanthrix:

Which is worrisome to me ;)

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daviey:

cheesebo1, 512mb IMHO but for some themes you may even need 1024

[18:46:10]

gbee:

I've seen some bugs, but I've equally heard users of every other distro complain of bugs so I couldn't say that Mandriva is any worse or better in that respect

[18:46:17]

cheesebo1:

IHMO?

[18:46:38]

gbee:

In My Humble/Honest Opinion

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Tanthrix:

Well, I guess I'll keep with it. I'm downloading the 2007 DVD ISO as we speak.

[18:47:20]

cheesebo1:

ihave 768 how much u think i should give to win 98 in vmware?

[18:47:46]

Tanthrix:

gbee: Any idea when their next major free release is coming out?

[18:48:08]

gbee:

Tanthrix: If you ask those using Ubuntu/Gentoo/Debian/Fedora whether they've actually tried Mandriva, then a majority of them would probably say no

[18:49:10]

gbee:

there is a sort of fashion in the linux world and some distros are more popular than others for no real reason other than that IMHO

[18:49:15]

cheesebo1:

i didn't try mandriva because it was taking too long to download

[18:49:35]

gardengnome:

like ubuntu. the "userfriendly" one. rotfl ;)

[18:50:19]

gbee:

Tanthrix: they switched to a yearly release cycle to suit business use where IT adminstrators don't want to update more than once a year – so expect it around Oct this year

[18:50:40]

gbee:

maybe earlier/later, I can't remember exactly when 2007 was released

[18:50:51]

Tanthrix:

gbee: Makes sense. And that's good to know. I'd hate to upgrade and have a new release out tomorrow.

[18:52:35]

Tanthrix:

gbee: And another question if you don't mind. (I so rarely get to talk to Mandriva folk around here ;-) Do you usually upgrade versions over each other or do fresh installers?

[18:52:40]

gbee:

I sometimes use the 'Cooker' package repo which carries the bleeding edge stuff, so I'm not really running 2007 anymore, more like 2007.5

[18:54:08]

gbee:

Tanthrix: depends – if I think that clearing out the clutter etc is a good idea then I'll do a fresh install, but Mandriva usually upgrades fairly smoothly so it's not usually necessary

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Tanthrix:

That was going to be my next question. I'm always fearful of doing upgrades so I always do fresh installs.

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gbee:

need to sort out the cooking, bbl

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Tanthrix:

Thanks for the chat.

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blackest:

jduggan you were right about the hybrid card mythtv nicked it for digital and so i couldnt tune analog shut down mythtv and it works

[19:02:33]

juski:

blackest: told you :)

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gardengnome:

smart-ass ;)

[19:03:09]

juski:

simple logic :)

[19:03:38]

blackest:

well at least with udev i am not getting my cards shuffled

[19:03:46]

juski:

that's why I can't see the point in those hybrid cards

[19:04:10]

gardengnome:

juski: mythtv would have to support them, that's all

[19:04:29]

blackest:

well to be honest they are supported

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blackest:

just not at the same time ;)

[19:04:51]

gardengnome:

yes, but not properly

[19:04:52]

gardengnome:

right ;)

[19:05:01]

juski:

I'm sure I've seen something about svn now having basic support for hybrid cards & can treat them properly

[19:05:10]

m13a8:

hey guys, i'm tryuing to get mythtv running agian, and everything goes fine until i actualy try to use it and it says "timed out waiting for recorder to start" when i try to watch tv

[19:05:31]

juski:

what I've not seen is anybody saying so, or any evidence of it ;)

[19:05:43]

blackest:

well i could use the analog on it but the quality is so much better with digital

[19:05:50]

juski:

maybe it's just for hdtv tuners up to now

[19:06:16]

blackest:

in theory my card supports hd

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blackest:

just nobody broadcasts anything :(

[19:06:42]

juski:

yeh but in the UK there is NO HDTV

[19:06:57]

juski:

let's not count $KY cos you can't use it with stable hardware

[19:08:22]

blackest:

maybe some other sat broadcaster

[19:09:24]

juski:

anyway, european HD is all gonna be that thing they call h.264 which is a real CPU hog to decode

[19:09:43]

juski:

1080i h.264 – wooooyeh

[19:10:24]

** juski prays at the altar of ffmpeg in hope, sweet hope **

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blackest:

ok back to messing with my mythtv box setting up my analog alternative direct from virgin ;)

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** juski takes blackest's Virgin & sacrifices it at the altar of ffmpeg :) **

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two-b:

Anyone know what may cause mythfilldatabase to state "Not adding channel" for every channel after I've just setup a new myth box? Very odd as I've never had it do this before. It's a completely fresh install

[19:17:24]

juski:

not adding channel because it already exists, maybe?

[19:18:54]

juski:

like say, if you have digital TV & you've already scanned for channels...

[19:18:58]

two-b:

no channels exist at all in the db

[19:19:17]

cheeseboy:

can someone help me fix my sound?

[19:19:19]

two-b:

completely fresh install. I know it's not normal for this to happen.

[19:19:31]

cheeseboy:

its like 5 seconds ahead of video

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juski:

if you use zap2it, did you 'grab channels from listings source' ?

[19:19:45]

juski:

cheeseboy: amazing! you've not read the docs again :)

[19:19:55]

two-b:

juski: yes

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cheeseboy:

juski i got remote

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juski:

cheeseboy: what you need to do is MUTE the audio input the tuner audio is plugged into, but ensure it's selected in the *recording* (capture) section of your favourite linux audio mixer

[19:21:03]

juski:

sod it I'm gonna take screenshots & put them in the damn wiki

[19:21:23]

juski:

I'm fucking sick of telling people how to suck eggs

[19:21:44]

gardengnome:

how do you suck eggs, actually? can you please put a guide into the wiki?

[19:22:19]

juski:

I'm still in shock from seeing so many people who've never used a soundcard mixer before :)

[19:22:25]

gardengnome:

heh

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cheeseboy:

juski i know i have do that but i don't know how to get it to record

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juski:

is the audio input selected in alsamixer / gnomemixer / kmix / whatever ?

[19:25:12]

juski:

I'll do a deal here.. I'll take screenshots of alsamixer & gnome-mixer, k?

[19:25:50]

cheeseboy:

says i have alsmixer and ossmixer..

[19:27:20]

juski:

some people find a GUI mixer much more friendly & I'd be inclined to agree

[19:29:05]

Vashie:

hello, I'm having some trouble with transcoding wondering if someone could help

[19:29:39]

cheeseboy:

i got it again

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cheeseboy:

it keeps messin up when i reboot tho

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juski:

cheeseboy: so what you need to do is store the mixer settings

[19:30:55]

juski:

the docs tell you how to use alsactl store

[19:31:08]

juski:

most if not all howto guides do

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juski:

aaand it's in the wiki

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cheeseboy:

ok got it

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cheeseboy:

thnx

[19:34:06]

cheeseboy:

can i get zap2it to say channel instead of addind char?

[19:34:49]

juski:

ok I got my alsamixer screengrabs

[19:35:03]

juski:

now I don't seem to have a desktop mixer anymore. wtf?!

[19:35:04]

blackest:

any idea how i get my analog card to tune ?

[19:35:16]

juski:

blackest: you're in the UK, right?

[19:35:36]

blackest:

yes

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juski:

blackest: there are 5 analogue channels you might be able to access

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blackest:

over the air yes I also have an analog cable feed

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juski:

if I remember right though you were talking about trying to use a cable feed in your flat – which prolly isn't possible

[19:36:28]

dustybin:

cheeseboy: before u attempt to use mythtv its a good idea to grasp the basics of linux and your GUI such as gnome

[19:36:49]

blackest:

It works fine on my tv theres around 14 channels

[19:36:57]

juski:

blackest: 14?

[19:36:59]

juski:

wow

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cheeseboy:

ive got almost everythingperfect in mythtv

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juski:

blackest: where do you live? I didn't think analogue cable was alive in the UK anymore

[19:37:51]

blackest:

in lincolnshire

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juski:

blackest: you can use an app like tvtime to find out what freqs the channels reside on

[19:38:17]

blackest:

it just comes through ... old installation :)

[19:38:40]

gbee:

two-b: I've been through the code and it appears that you can only import channels from datadirect (zap2it) if you are using an analogue encoder

[19:38:42]

blackest:

ok xawtv tells me se22 for vh1 for example

[19:39:02]

juski:

blackest: UK TV channels are on numbers between 21 & 68

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blackest:

the broadcast ones yes

[19:39:27]

hjohnson:

i'm suffering from lens envy.

[19:39:38]

gbee:

digital cards require extra tuning information which you can't get from datadirect, so we don't insert them

[19:39:43]

juski:

blackest: not the ones on your feed?

[19:39:52]

blackest:

but there are some lower down on the frequency table if you have a vhf tuner

[19:39:56]

Keithamus:

hjohnson, which lens?

[19:40:24]

Keithamus:

Does anyone have mythtv running on an E6600 setup?

[19:40:41]

gbee:

now if you're card _isn't_ a digital tuner, then there is a problem – but otherwise you need to run a scan instead

[19:40:47]

blackest:

basically the std 5 are on normal broadcast frequencys the rest are lower

[19:40:54]

juski:

blackest: ah

[19:40:55]

gardengnome:

juski: it's possible that the frequency identifiers used by xawtv and mythtv are not the same as commonly used in the UK.

[19:41:05]

hjohnson:

Keithamus: Canon EF-S 17–85 IS USM.

[19:41:09]

juski:

I can believe that

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Keithamus:

hjohnson, berry berry good lens :D

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blackest:

to the tv or tv card its just a cable

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gardengnome:

juski: it's that way in germany so we have to convert them first. f'in annyoing :)

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juski:

blackest: find out which channels are on which 'channel' then write them all down

[19:41:38]

hjohnson:

Keithamus: and pondering an F4L 70–200 to compliment it.

[19:41:38]

dustybin:

i watched the latest bond film last night, well impressed!

[19:41:41]

blackest:

ok

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hjohnson:

thoug I don't know if I'll spend the money for the IS version.

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juski:

blackest: then you'll have to enter them into mythtv-setup's channel editor by hand

[19:42:03]

juski:

blackest: possibly after having converted them somehow

[19:42:04]

Keithamus:

yea, F4L IS though – dont want to lose IS in the higher ranges where its more neccessary.

[19:42:21]

blackest:

ok what file needs editing

[19:42:26]

gardengnome:

juski, blackest: the output of xawtv/scantv is compatible with mythtv

[19:42:28]

hjohnson:

Keithamus: yeah, but IS adds $500 to the lens, and most of the time when I'd be using the unit i'd be outdoors in the sun.

[19:42:30]

juski:

blackest: no file needs editing

[19:42:41]

hjohnson:

so it'd already be fast conditions anyhow.

[19:42:57]

Keithamus:

hmm, touche

[19:43:09]

juski:

blackest: you go in the channel editor in mythtv-setup and enter the 'channel' number (i.e. the frequency id) in (ta-da!) the freqid field

[19:43:21]

juski:

blackest: do that for each channel

[19:43:22]

hjohnson:

also have my eye on a 28mm F1.8 prime for party work..

[19:43:23]

blackest:

ok so i have already done a scan with xawtv

[19:43:28]

Keithamus:

Get the 2.8L non-IS then, 2 stops lower :)

[19:43:55]

Keithamus:

although the f4 would suit the 17–85 better.

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blackest:

ok i guess it needs to know the card as well

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reaspired:

whats a good codec in mythtv, I have crappy attenna broadcast. and my 30min show = 2.3gb

[19:44:48]

juski:

reaspired: don't use software encoders :)

[19:45:09]

juski:

reaspired: or play with the recording profiles in the setup menus of mythfrontend

[19:45:25]

juski:

experiment with the bitrate until it's about as crappy as you can bear

[19:45:37]

Keithamus:

hjohnson, Im looking to get all the 16–35 2.8L USM, 24–70 2.8L USM, and the 70–200 2.8L IS USM :D

[19:45:44]

juski:

you could also try reducing the capture resolution

[19:45:58]

hjohnson:

Keithamus: yeah, I'm not quite ready to spend that much money.

[19:46:00]

Keithamus:

I need to find a USer coming to the UK though – UK prices are like roughly $2k for each lens.

[19:46:16]

cheeseboy:

so is it possible to get za2it to say channel number instead of adding char?

[19:46:26]

hjohnson:

Keithamus: the thing I like about the 70–200 f4L is it uses the same filters as the 17–85mm

[19:46:26]

Keithamus:

the 70–200 2.8L is equiv of about $3k over here.

[19:46:29]

hjohnson:

67mm

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Keithamus:

ah yea

[19:46:40]

Keithamus:

but its a godamn pain to switch

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reaspired:

juski, I see in mythweb nuv format, can I get some program to convert them to say mpeg.

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juski:

cheeseboy: who cares what zap2it says? you never see it often enough to need to care

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Keithamus:

hjohnson: I'd rather be lazy and spend another 15 quid on another filter :D

[19:47:24]

hjohnson:

the 70–200 IS f2.8L is $1600

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Keithamus:

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juski:

reaspired: software encoding is either in nuppelvideo RTJPEG format, or mpeg4 – both come as the .nuv file extension

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hjohnson:

Keithamus: well, I'd have dedicated UV filters

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blackest:

ah it found something

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hjohnson:

but probably only one good polarizer or something.

[19:48:08]

juski:

mpeg4 uses less disk space but it's a lot more CPU hungry

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Keithamus:

[19:48:23]

juski:

SOFTWARE ENCODING SUCKS!

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cheeseboy:

juski i care because i can't find the channel im looking for

[19:48:49]

Keithamus:

ah, good point hjohnson, didnt think about specialist filters – Im a post guy :D

[19:48:50]

juski:

cheeseboy: take it up with zap2it then

[19:48:58]

reaspired:

juski, I'm on whatever standard is.. so is that rtjpeg. I would guess so..

[19:49:19]

hjohnson:

Keithamus: the only filters I generally use are a polarizer and a graduated neutral density

[19:49:58]

Keithamus:

heh

[19:50:12]

Keithamus:

alas, I digress to why I came in here!

[19:50:36]

Keithamus:

Can anyone help me in deciding whether or not to get a graphics card for my future mythbox please?

[19:50:58]

juski:

Keithamus: if it's made by ATI, don't do it!!!!!

[19:51:00]

hjohnson:

polarization you can't correct in post though

[19:51:13]

Keithamus:

E6600 2gb ram PVR500, I was thinking a cheap nVidia thingy, but is it worth it?

[19:51:14]

juski:

hjohnson: you can't do UV in post properly either

[19:51:50]

juski:

Keithamus: it's always worth buying nvidia

[19:52:04]

Keithamus:

well, the board Im looking at has intel integrated graphics.

[19:52:10]

juski:

EEEEEEW

[19:52:13]

hjohnson:

juski: also the UV filters are a cheap way to protect your expensive lens

[19:52:42]

juski:

hjohnson: I can't afford a camera lens that costs half what my car is worth :-P

[19:52:50]

Keithamus:

want it to be able to do HD content. Properly. 1080. Hopefully recording PAL while watching 1080, or something like that.

[19:52:57]

hjohnson:

juski: though the intel graphics cards are fully documented though.

[19:53:04]

Keithamus:

Also want it to be an Asterisk box at the same time, and perhaps do some file serving.

[19:53:06]

hjohnson:

Keithamus: yeah, you want nvidia for that.

[19:53:25]

Keithamus:

Think I'll have enough juice for all that, and do you think I'll need a beasty card for HD?

[19:53:42]

hjohnson:

won't need to be that beastl of a card.

[19:53:48]

hjohnson:

Keithamus: what are you using for a CPU?

[19:53:55]

Keithamus:

e6600 core 2 duo

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hjohnson:

*sigh* lens envy

[19:56:08]

Keithamus:

hjohnson, you used the 17–85?

[19:59:10]

hjohnson:

Keithamus: not yet, no...

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Keithamus:

btw the PVR500 has 2x tuners with hardware decoders.

[19:59:14]

hjohnson:

I've heard it's a very good lens though.

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Keithamus:

Well hjohnson, its not sealed, which is a sucker. its also EF-S, which I would normally cast it out immedietley. But – it is very cheap, for what it is, IS and all. The USM is ring type, very fast. Build quality is comparible to.. even the 70–200L

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hjohnson:

Keithamus: I don't see me going away from my XT any time soon, so even though it's EF-S, I figure I'll get full value out of it.

[20:01:32]

Keithamus:

Barrel distortion is noticeable, but chromatic abberation is fairly low. Compared to the 18–55 (the other 30d kit lens) its brilliant.

[20:02:29]

hjohnson:

and personally, based on what I know of micro-electronics, full frame sensors aren't all they're cracked up to be. (The sensor cells just aren't as sensative to non perpendicular light)..

[20:02:30]

Keithamus:

Yea, not so much in terms of upgradeability, more in terms of resellability.

[20:03:15]

hjohnson:

I need to get my camera cleaned though, it's been through three deserts now, and up Kilimanjaro.

[20:03:16]

Keithamus:

you cut off ~50% of your market when you sell EFS lenses.

[20:03:25]

Keithamus:

lol nice.

[20:03:46]

hjohnson:

and alas, I've shot it all with the kit lens

[20:03:46]

Keithamus:

30d is pretty cheap now body only.

[20:04:00]

Keithamus:

kit lens is better than people give it credit for.

[20:04:04]

hjohnson:

true

[20:04:07]

hjohnson:

i've got some nice shots

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xris:

!seen Captain_Murdoch

[20:04:15]

MythLogBot:

Captain_Murdoch is here and has been idle for 4 days 14 hours 12 minutes 51 seconds

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hjohnson:

http://gallery.marspostcards.ca/LakeManyara/IMG_7260

[20:04:42]

Keithamus:

its only problems is the really really really crap build quality, non usm, and the fact it is quite slow, and very slow to focus.

[20:04:59]

hjohnson:

http://gallery.marspostcards.ca/MiscPhotos/IMG_7055

[20:04:59]

Keithamus:

barrel distortion is pretty gnarly at 18mm also, but other than that, its a fine lens.

[20:05:31]

hjohnson:

I just wish I had gotten the lake edge horizontal in that shot.

[20:05:39]

Keithamus:

get lighroom

[20:05:52]

Keithamus:

lightroom*

[20:06:09]

Keithamus:

its got a tool that with 3 clicks, it'll straighten your horizons out perfectly.

[20:06:31]

hjohnson:

it's pretty cool though how small the XT would be without the battery grip and with a small prime on it

[20:06:48]

Keithamus:

meh, I hate the xt/xti size.

[20:06:57]

Keithamus:

goos photos btw.

[20:07:21]

hjohnson:

Keithamus: I've got a sequence from my trip through Iraq, but it will probably be a few years before I post most of them I think..

[20:07:30]

Keithamus:

why so?

[20:07:40]

hjohnson:

Keithamus: too politically sensative right now.

[20:07:51]

Keithamus:

dont let that stop you.

[20:08:15]

Keithamus:

government has won then

[20:08:39]

hjohnson:

Keithamus: the XT/XTi is quite decent for me, as long as I have the battery grip attached (size wise)

[20:09:18]

Keithamus:

the grip (on the side of the camera) is way too tiny for me. 30D is a real man of a camera, I love it.

[20:09:28]

Keithamus:

I've got the XTi, but I want to sell and get a 30d.

[20:09:55]

hjohnson:

http://gallery.marspostcards.ca/BigInukshuk/IMG_6015

[20:10:05]

hjohnson:

that's one of my other favourites.. I just wish I was the guy in the photo. :P

[20:10:28]

Keithamus:

what do you shoot in? TV?

[20:10:39]

hjohnson:

Keithamus: i do satcomms

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Keithamus:

aye?

[20:11:10]

Keithamus:

good pic btw. Love the sky.

[20:11:20]

hjohnson:

Keithamus: that was taken at midnight.

[20:11:29]

Keithamus:

lol

[20:11:36]

Keithamus:

they have light midnights then :)

[20:11:46]

caitlin:

hey guys, are any of you using the nova-t usb *STICK* with myth?

[20:11:54]

caitlin:

there's a load of waffly blogs with nothing definitive

[20:11:55]

hjohnson:

Keithamus: where that photo was taken, the sun just goes around in circles in the summer.

[20:12:02]

Keithamus:

ouch

[20:12:21]

juski:

caitlin: so there's a load of waffly blogs. that's web 2.0 !

[20:12:21]

hjohnson:

Keithamus: there are only about 300 people who are closer to the north pole than the guy in front of the camera.

[20:12:32]

Dagmar:

most of whom are security cleared

[20:12:36]

Keithamus:

nice

[20:12:36]

Dagmar:

...and desperate for email

[20:12:41]

hjohnson:

Dagmar: naw, mostly who are Inuit

[20:12:42]

caitlin:

juski, i deleted my blog... i'm web 0.5

[20:12:44]

Keithamus:

its cool when pictures tell stories like that.

[20:13:01]

juski:

I had a blog.... I was close to growing a beard, so the blog had to go

[20:13:03]

Dagmar:

hjohnson: Okay. I think I'm going to go to bed. The flu is making me stupid

[20:13:13]

Dagmar:

I was *totally* thinking of Antartica

[20:13:20]

Dagmar:

...which is very much not the north pole.

[20:13:26]

hjohnson:

yep

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hjohnson:

http://gallery.marspostcards.ca/SpaceSuit/IMG_6130

[20:13:52]

hjohnson:

that's one of the more amusing ones.

[20:14:15]

Keithamus:

yea hjohnson, what did you mean you do satcomms?

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Dagmar:

His wifi range is longer than everyone in here put together

[20:14:38]

hjohnson:

Keithamus: I'm a field engineer for a company that makes satellite communications equipment.

[20:14:44]

Keithamus:

ah cool

[20:14:54]

rtsai:

quit

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caitlin:

dude, if i grew a beard 'cause of a blog, i'd be WORRIED

[20:14:57]

rtsai:

quit

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Dagmar:

I'd be trying to make a buck

[20:15:18]

hjohnson:

so, for example, whenever you see General Patreas being interviewed out of Baghdad, that's being transmitted out over equipment my company makes.

[20:15:27]

hjohnson:

(or any of the soldiers out there for that matter)

[20:15:38]

Keithamus:

cool

[20:15:50]

Keithamus:

Im just a camera salesman :(

[20:15:58]

hjohnson:

Keithamus: heh.

[20:16:12]

hjohnson:

Keithamus: but that's also why size is somewhat important to me... running around with bulky gear is generally more of a pain.

[20:16:25]

juski:

caitlin: there are 2 kinds of nova USB sticks

[20:16:27]

Keithamus:

good point

[20:16:30]

juski:

ones that work & those that dont

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nordle:

hello, can anyone tell me what mpeg2audbitratel1 and mpeg2audbitratel2 are? They are settings found in codecparams table. Thanks.

[20:16:44]

hjohnson:

Keithamus: I had a big 70lb case with me when I was in Iraq, the Helicopter Crew Cheifs hated me.

[20:16:44]

Keithamus:

though – the xt/xti with battery grip, weighs nearly identical to the 30d without

[20:16:55]

Keithamus:

haha

[20:16:57]

caitlin:

well, that's not a good start... tell me that you can't tell which ones from outside, and my evening will be complete

[20:17:21]

hjohnson:

as did all the other troops crammed into the back of the helo

[20:17:47]

caitlin:

i know the usb *boxes* work, but the tiny sticks are sort of *funky* (and i could plug it in the car too :P)

[20:17:58]

hjohnson:

btw, that guy in the space suit is a real astronaut, he's on wifi, talking VOIP back to Houston, navigating accross the tundra with a HUD, and so forth.

[20:18:12]

hjohnson:

it was way cool.

[20:18:24]

Keithamus:

I didnt even see that pic, wicked.

[20:18:48]

hjohnson:

we had 40 square km of the tundra covered in WiMax, the humvee had a wimax client and a wifi access point...

[20:19:12]

hjohnson:

wimax went back to our big dish and out via satellite to ottawa, and onto the internet.

[20:20:04]

Keithamus:

lol awesome

[20:20:21]

hjohnson:

*sigh* I wish I could go back to the arctic

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Vashie:

hello, I'm having some trouble with transcoding wondering if someone could help

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Keithamus:

hjohnson, what setting do you shoot on? Tv, Av, P or M?

[20:22:13]

Keithamus:

or the auto modes?

[20:22:54]

hjohnson:

depends on the effect I want to achieve.

[20:23:20]

hjohnson:

most of the wham-bang stuff I do is just in P

[20:23:25]

Keithamus:

ah

[20:23:40]

hjohnson:

but depending on the situation I'll also go into Aperature priority mode.

[20:23:47]

Keithamus:

yea

[20:24:04]

hjohnson:

and a few in time...

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hjohnson:

(say the photos I have from flying on Helos.. the goal being to freeze the blades with just enough motion blur to look dynamic

[20:24:39]

Keithamus:

you should try M, its alot more versatile, if you have 10 or 20 seconds to spare, to get light levels right.

[20:26:42]

hjohnson:

one of the Marines I know took this: http://www.dvidshub.net/img_show.php?id=21601

[20:27:00]

hjohnson:

looks more like a painting than a photo

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Keithamus:

very impressive, but also very blurry, or is it sand?

[20:28:02]

juski:

www.juski.co.uk/amix1.png – www.juski.co.uk/amix2.png and www.juski.co.uk/gmix1.png – see what y'all think

[20:28:10]

hjohnson:

it's in the iraqi desert

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juski:

Vashie: let me guess – you try to start transcoding a recording and it fails with an error message like "unknown codec"

[20:28:45]

hjohnson:

(they also use our geer to get still photography out)

[20:28:54]

hjohnson:

http://www.dvidshub.net/img_show.php?id=36890 that's another one.

[20:29:10]

Keithamus:

cool

[20:29:33]

ratbert90:

strange problem I am having. My pvr-150 and remote work great, until I watch tv for more than 10 minutes. Then the remote stops working, the card seems to mess up, and I have to turn off my computer, and unplug it for about 15 seconds before I boot again, or the firmware isn't loaded properly for the card

[20:29:42]

ratbert90:

once that is fine, I can use lirc and the card again no problem

[20:29:53]

ratbert90:

any actual known reason why this would happen?

[20:30:05]

Keithamus:

does anyone know if the nvidia fx 5200 comes in PCIE flavour – I doubt it will, but according to the article hjohnson linked, none of the 6x00 and 7x00 series have hardware decoding for linux?

[20:30:11]

hjohnson:

ratbert90: what version of th eivtv driver are you using?

[20:30:17]

ratbert90:

10.1

[20:30:26]

hjohnson:

hmm.

[20:30:31]

juski:

Keithamus: if you can live without XvMC, live without it

[20:30:39]

Keithamus:

I dont know, can I?

[20:31:05]

juski:

Keithamus: you're going for a core duo, right? you shouldn't need XvMC to play mpeg2 1080i

[20:31:09]

Keithamus:

yea

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Keithamus:

1080p?

[20:31:17]

ratbert90:

it is a crazy error

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juski:

prolly not for 1080p either

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** hjohnson goes looking for a nail clippers **

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Keithamus:

and I could record 480p at the same time?

[20:32:04]

juski:

Keithamus: if you use a hardware encoder / digital tuner / firewire / iptv setup then yes

[20:32:12]

juski:

no probs :)

[20:32:15]

Keithamus:

PVR500

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juski:

pvr500 is SDTV so it'd be 480i

[20:32:43]

Keithamus:

does recording to mpg2 with a hardware encoder like the pvr series actually use up any CPU?

[20:33:03]

juski:

Keithamus: a little. like 5% at worst

[20:33:07]

Keithamus:

cool

[20:33:28]

Keithamus:

I guess it'd be useless if I was recording to mpeg4/xvid/divx or whatever right?

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juski:

it's as little as makes no odds anyway :)

[20:33:45]

juski:

Keithamus: you can't record to anything but mpeg2 with a pvr500

[20:33:53]

Keithamus:

sucks

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juski:

no it doesn't suck

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juski:

nothing's stopping you transcoding it later

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Keithamus:

could I get a script going to transcode videos when idle?

[20:34:19]

Keithamus:

I'd hate to do it manually.

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juski:

who needs a script? myth can do it automagically

[20:34:34]

Keithamus:

oh it can? I didnt know that.

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hjohnson:

Keithamus: yeah, myth will do it automatically, it just sets the priority to the bottom.

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juski:

the docs say as much. you should read them sometime ;)

[20:35:10]

juski:

anyway.. afk for a bit...

[20:35:16]

Keithamus:

lol, I was planning on reading them when I was gonna set it up.

[20:35:27]

Keithamus:

hjohnson, what do you mean priority to the bottom?

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Vashie:

xvid comes out quite clean, a little artfacting but not much down to 350mb an hour

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blackest:

this analog tuner is a right ****

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hjohnson:

Keithamus: sets the process to low priority... so anything that wants the cpu gets it over the transcode process

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Keithamus:

ah, does it transcode at a slower rate or something?

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anykey_:

Keithamus: it uses nice

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hjohnson:

Keithamus: no, it uses all available cpu power, but only if the system would otherwise be idle.

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Keithamus:

cool

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Keithamus:

so, will it transcode all my videos? can I ask it not to, or do I have to tell it to, or what?

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hjohnson:

you can set up rules and stuff.

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Keithamus:

I know Im asking probably what the wiki would tell me

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hjohnson:

so say, I could set it to transcode my simpsons episodes down to something more manageable

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hjohnson:

since you don't need high quality for the simpsons. :P

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Keithamus:

yea lol

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Keithamus:

wicked

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charlieS_:

why does lirc suck so bad? :)

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charlieS_:

doesn't even compile with 2.6.2x :(

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hjohnson:

I need to build my front-end machine.

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hjohnson:

but...

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charlieS_:

so, anyone know what remotes ubuntu is going to support natively?

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charlieS_:

heh "natively" .. you know what I mean :P

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monkeyBox:

Does anyone have TNT-HD? They don't seem to know how to handle aspect ratios

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monkeyBox:

They're playing MIB right now.. it's a 4:3 source and they're stretching it out to 16:9....

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monkeyBox:

same w/ all they're commercials :-p

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blackest:

any idea how i identify the audio from my analog card it should come from the back of the card but i don't know how to tell myth to use it

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charlieS_:

tell myth to use ALSA:default if you're using alsa..

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nordle:

charlieS_: I'm using lirc (cvs) with 2.6.20

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charlieS_:

ooh, fixed in cvs? Yay :)

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blackest:

hmm i think its an oss mixer

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blackest:

there are 4 3 are alsa but they are on the tvcards

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nordle:

charlieS_: I guess so, never new it was broke (tend to run cvs stuff). Works fine on imon remote with 2.6.20.

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nordle:

new=knew

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subbyz:

Anybody around that can answer a question about the db internals of autoexpire?

[20:58:39]

subbyz:

I've set record.autoexpire = 0 and recorded.autoexpire = 0 for all programs, but the autoexpire module is still deleting programs, and I'm trying to figure out why.

[20:59:13]

charlieS_:

nordle: indeed, works. thanks :)

[21:01:18]

charlieS_:

hrm, but it still crashes on me. oy.

[21:01:32]

charlieS_:

crw-r--r-- 1 root root 61, 0 2007-03–10 23:18 /dev/lirc

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charlieS_:

root 393 1 0 14:01 ? 00:00:00 /usr/local/sbin/lircd --device=/dev/lirc

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charlieS_:

but when I run irw, lircd dies (strace shows ENODEV.. can't open /dev/lirc)

[21:04:39]

nordle:

gutted! sorry, but it just works for me, so I don't have any suggestions..... except, maybe gdb?

[21:05:06]

nordle:

presumably /dev/lirc does exist?

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charlieS_:

the kernel is returning ENODEV.. so that means debugging the module :)

[21:05:19]

charlieS_:

yep.. see the ls output above.

[21:05:21]

subbyz:

The one that is causing trouble has maxepisodes set to 30, and that appears to be what autoexpire is keying off of, but I also have that schedule set to not record new and expire old, so I expected it to not expire.

[21:05:36]

** charlieS_ scratches head **

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nordle:

oops :) I am blind

[21:06:18]

nordle:

chmod 666 /dev/lircd

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charlieS_:

it already is.

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charlieS_:

does /dev/lirc need to be too?

[21:07:24]

subbyz:

so if it continues to autoexpire even when it's told to not record new programs when it hits the limit, I don't understand why.

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** charlieS_ tries with /dev/lirc 666 – no go. **

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nordle:

mmm don't think so, not in my notes anyway.

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andr3www:

hi

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andr3www:

I'm having some Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' problems

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nordle:

can you start the lircd as root user and see if it holds on

[21:09:21]

andr3www:

I left the password blank as recommended but I still can't connect

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andr3www:

andrew@andrew-desktop:~$ sudo mysql -u root mysql

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andr3www:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)

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charlieS_:

lircd is running as root.

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nordle:

crap

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nordle:

dunno mate, its a bit beyond my skills.

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charlieS_:

np, thanks

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andr3www:

any takers? hehe

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Tanthrix:

I just realized why I don't like Mandriva's naming scheme. A year after you install you cannot help but feel out of date ;)

[21:12:00]

kormoc:

andr3www 1. don't bother with sudo, 2. mysql -u root -p

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andr3www:

ok, but the password is still blank

[21:12:38]

kormoc:

andr3www, it should prompt you for the password

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nordle:

andr3www: Is mysql installed properly? http://pastebin.ca/391030

[21:13:08]

kormoc:

ooh

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** kormoc shrugs **

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jd80:

hello. Anyone have AVerTV PVR 150 Plus working? (i know I should ask in v4l or somewhere, but figure this wouldn't be a bad place to ask) it has cx23416–12 on the chip

[21:18:14]

charlieS_:

nordle: what remote do you use?

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juski:

jd80: that's the one ivtvdriver.org says isn't supported isn't it?

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andr3www:

cd /usr/local/mysql

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andr3www:

bash: cd: /usr/local/mysql: No such file or directory

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jd80:

juski, i'm trying to look now, can't find a page i thought that used to exist

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juski:

http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Supported_hardware

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juski:

andr3www: you're using ubuntu!

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jd80:

thats the one

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andr3www:

yup

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nordle:

andr3www: It was just an example, you need to change the paths to fit your system, I'm using Slackware.

[21:20:09]

andr3www:

ugh Im just trying to follow the wiki

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juski:

jd80: doesn't look like ivtv supports it though it might be supported in newer kernels. look in the v4l wiki

[21:20:19]

juski:

andr3www: the ubuntu wiki?

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jd80:

ok

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andr3www:

ya

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andr3www:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Edgy . . . tend_Desktop

[21:20:45]

charlieS_:

ivtv rocks, myth* rocks.. it's just lirc that constantly haunts me :(

[21:20:55]

charlieS_:

nvidia certainly rocks.. :P

[21:21:05]

juski:

andr3www: what the ubuntu wiki doesn't tell you is that you have to run mythtv-setup as the mythtv user IIRC

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charlieS_:

neat

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juski:

andr3www: whatever you *think* the password is for the mysql user called 'mythtv' – it isn't that. it's something random which is stored as a text file (for reference) in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

[21:22:10]

juski:

andr3www: the mythtv-database package does that for you. helpful huh?

[21:22:27]

andr3www:

so I should logon as mythtv to do al lthat stuff?

[21:22:29]

subbyz:

Are the values for record.dupmethod and record.dupin documented anywere?

[21:22:54]

nordle:

charlieS_ It's pretty sweet, the only thing that gets on my tits is the responsiveness of the directional pad, sometimes its hyper sensitive other times you sit there pressing it for 10 seconds for it to work.....I guess thats an lirc thing though :)

[21:23:19]

juski:

andr3www: I think so, but if that doesn't work still have a look in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt & use that password – or else change the mythtv mysql user's password with a mysql admin tool or the mysql command line

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andr3www:

ok thanks ill be back

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andr3www:

bloody hell I couldn't even login

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jd80:

juski, looks like there _may_ be support in cx88 :)

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andr3www:

ok you guys may have to dumb it down a notch for me

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juski:

andr3www: I think the installer also creates a random password for the mythtv *linux* user

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andr3www:

a different one?

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juski:

to change it you need to do "sudo passwd mythtv" – that will change the login password for the mythtv user NOT the mysql one

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andr3www:

okay Im back, logged into the account thanks

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andr3www:

ya I have no idea what this password could be

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charlieS_:

it's in the file mentioned above..

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andr3www:

is that for the password?

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andr3www:

like I"m still trying to do this mysql -u root mysql -p

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andr3www:

what should I do next?

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hhhjr:

anyone here able to help me identify why I cannot get my dvb modules loaded?

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cheeseboy:

ello

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AMystery:

hello

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AMystery:

I'm rather challenged. I have only static on all the channels I've checked so I assume I configured something wrong but I can't find what

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cheeseboy:

havecable plugged in :P

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AMystery:

let me check....yes

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cheeseboy:

did it work in another app or just not mythtv?

[21:57:13]

AMystery:

i don't have another app in which to test it. its a new install of myth so I assume I messed something up. last I checked it worked in my xp install

[21:57:38]

dustybin:

when you press 'm' whilst watching tv it brings up a menu to change various settings, can you change ALL those settings in the myth utlities/setup menu?

[21:58:05]

planktonboy:

hi all

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AMystery:

i'm confused dustybin. while watching live tv (static) I hit m, i get a menu that lets me see the program guide and change aspect rations and scan types. is that what you mean?

[22:00:38]

dustybin:

yes, its a kind of green menu

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AMystery:

i flipped through them and nothing prevented me but I didn't actually try changing the scan type or zoom mode

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dustybin:

i just wondered if those settings just reflect the settings in the myth settings menus

[22:03:14]

dustybin:

i watched a DVD and noticed some slight jitter but i hit 'm' and went to the 'video scan' menu and changed the mode to 'interlaced' and the dvd was smooth as hell but id like to keep this setting permanent but i cannot find where this is located in the myth setup menus

[22:03:19]

AMystery:

the only one of those I could find in the settings menu is a checkbox for deinterlace playback. i'm probably looking in the wrong place

[22:03:47]

dustybin:

aye where did u find that

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AMystery:

ahh, i understand now. you weren't giving me advice, you were asking a question:) that was in settings -> playback

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AMystery:

i assume it is a global setting so I don't know what it will do to tv signals and such. sorry, that was setup->tv settings->playback, so probably not for dvds

[22:04:59]

dustybin:

ok

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hhhjr:

anyone able to point me in a direction how to load the dvb modules for a nexus-dvb card?

[22:07:45]

AMystery:

any time I want to run mythtv-setup, I need to switch to the mythtv user, correct?

[22:08:34]

planktonboy:

I'm still having problems getting certain tv recordings to play back in mythtv. I originally thought it was just The Simpsons that woundnt record but it does seem to be some programs on Channel 4.

[22:09:56]

cheeseboy:

whats the command to allow anyththing to connect to x?

[22:10:38]

planktonboy:

It seems that sometimes I can watch Channel 4 and sometimes it just won't play that channel at all. But if I record it and paly it back in another application such as xine or mplayer then it does play back fine

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dustybin:

planktonboy: there is a special module in mythtv what doesnt allow complete utter trashy tv to be recorded

[22:12:27]

AMystery:

i better remove that module. don't want to miss me simpsons!

[22:12:34]

dustybin:

heh

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AMystery:

that's my goal for tonight. to get this recording before simpsons, otherwise I have to switch back to xp so my dvr there can catch it

[22:13:41]

dustybin:

strange why it wont play channel 4 stuff

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planktonboy:

I reckon you must be having me on as if that plugin did exist then that woulod be just about every program on UK tv except the simpsons

[22:14:12]

planktonboy:

:)

[22:14:20]

dustybin:

heh

[22:14:30]

planktonboy:

dustybin, yeah I just cant figure it out

[22:14:53]

dustybin:

ive had 1 problem once where i couldnt get a recording to fast forward and to play

[22:15:17]

dustybin:

but i put that down to something being corrupted and that only happened once

[22:15:18]

planktonboy:

it may be something to do with the internal player in mythtv that requires some sort of info that is missing from the channel when it records

[22:15:23]

AMystery:

i'm pretty sure the bbc has some good things on, like dr. who and fawlty towers

[22:15:57]

dustybin:

planktonboy: why dont u try rescanning the channels again?

[22:16:11]

planktonboy:

AMystery, sure but mostly it is those damn quiz shows or bloody reality tv programs

[22:16:44]

AMystery:

now imagine all of that but without the english accent and with more scatological humor and you have american tv

[22:16:58]

dustybin:

i like skins!

[22:17:00]

dustybin:

Skins

[22:17:00]

dustybin:

Sun, Mar 11

[22:17:00]

dustybin:

11:00 PM to 12:00 AM (60 mins)

[22:17:00]

dustybin:

(Search: IMDB – TV.com – Google )

[22:17:05]

dustybin:

who0ps!

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AMystery:

i like skin too! it keeps my organs warm

[22:17:26]

dustybin:

heheh

[22:17:57]

** dustybin sets it to record **

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planktonboy:

haha

[22:18:34]

dustybin:

i always set The Jeremy Kyle Show to record

[22:18:40]

dustybin:

love that

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planktonboy:

yeah he's quite good

[22:19:06]

dustybin:

i enjoy going through the films list and picking random films to record

[22:19:13]

nordle:

top gear a couple of weeks ago was crazy, they sent a Robin Reliant up about 1,000 feet on a massic rocket, looked just like a mini space shuttle, great stuff!

[22:19:28]

dustybin:

a friend of mine recommended Desperate Housewives

[22:19:33]

planktonboy:

dustybin, yeah I guess I will have to try that again. but I just dont think that is the problem

[22:19:53]

nordle:

dustybin: It's a bit Sex in the City for my taste.

[22:19:56]

dustybin:

well try it anyway, if u havent set much up in mythtv why dont u reinstall everything

[22:20:08]

dustybin:

and dont forget to upgrade your os

[22:20:30]

dustybin:

heh ok

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planktonboy:

I just have to figure out why these recordings play fine in other apps but not in mythtv

[22:20:46]

dustybin:

only channel 4?

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AMystery:

well, i tried setting my frequency to uscable but I still just have static. very frustrating

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planktonboy:

yes seems to be only channel 4

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cheeseboy:

how do i make mythtv alwaysstart on my tv?

[22:21:08]

planktonboy:

and only at certain times

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planktonboy:

other times I can watch channel 4

[22:21:28]

dustybin:

have u got dual tuners?

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dustybin:

*a

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ratbert90:

ok, after much searching, aparently, the lirc driver dying when you actually use the card for watching tv on a pvr-150 is a known bug. People are saying use ivtvctl --reset-ir to fix the problem

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ratbert90:

however, that command nets me a ioctl VIDIOC_INT_RESET failed: Invalid argument

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planktonboy:

but then if it was a problem with reception then how come the recorded files play ok in other players

[22:22:00]

ratbert90:

any suggestions?

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planktonboy:

dustybin, yes I do

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dustybin:

have u tried both tuners?

[22:22:29]

planktonboy:

would that be a possible conflict?

[22:23:01]

dustybin:

but if it records and plays back in other appz its down to mythtv

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dustybin:

i mean plays back

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planktonboy:

I have 2 nova-t tuners

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dustybin:

aye ive got 1

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planktonboy:

but when I have done scans before I only used the first one

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ratbert90:

hrm, seems like the new cvs might have something

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planktonboy:

yes I can play back on both tuners

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dustybin:

ratbert90: try compiling lirc yourself rather than using packages

[22:24:09]

ratbert90:

lirc is compiled myself

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ratbert90:

the newest version

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dustybin:

lirc causes a lot of people problems, print out the manual from lircs website and have a good read

[22:25:48]

dustybin:

planktonboy: my nova-t 500 works great but when i first installed mythtv and done a channel scan it crashed

[22:26:15]

dustybin:

did your channel scan work ok?

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planktonboy:

yes

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dustybin:

what kernel version are u using?

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planktonboy:

I have tried several times

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planktonboy:

and worked every time

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planktonboy:

using Ubuntu edgy

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planktonboy:

kernel 2.6.17.11

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dustybin:

did u install your tv card driver yourself?

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planktonboy:

no

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dustybin:

ok so its built into the kernel like mine

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planktonboy:

I followed Garry Parker's guide

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planktonboy:

yes

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planktonboy:

it plays every other channel fine

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dustybin:

im not quite sure what causes mythtv to crash on a channel scan on my setup, if i scan for channels using other packages like kaffine theres no problem at all

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AMystery:

i'm working on a channel scanright now. it is only picking up channel 5

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dustybin:

haha thats one of the channels i CANNOT pickup!! give it to me!!!!

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AMystery:

then I would have none! :P

[22:31:42]

AMystery:

something must be wrong but I've gone through every setting in mythtv-setup and found nothing

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dustybin:

u can only pick up channel 5 from a channel scan?

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AMystery:

yes

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dustybin:

right, are u sure that you have a good signal?

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AMystery:

none of the 100 other channels show

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dustybin:

and the aerial cables are of good quality

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AMystery:

yep, unless there is a problem right now, i normally have a perfect signal

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AMystery:

this is an analog cable coax connection to a pvr-350

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dustybin:

in the old days i used to put on my own coax plugs on the cable but found that wires come loose and cause problems so i buy my coax cable with plugs on already

[22:34:41]

AMystery:

depends on the types of crimps you use, however this is using a professionally made cable so I doubt that is the problem

[22:35:16]

AMystery:

hmm, switching to frequency table us-cable-irc got me channels 5 and 6

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dustybin:

have u tried scanning for channels using another application like kaffeine

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AMystery:

nope, never heard of it. this is my first time getting close to having myth working

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dustybin:

there are ways of letting other tools do the channel scanning for you so you just copy the results into mythtv

[22:36:50]

AMystery:

please, enlighten me. I'm looking into kaffeine now

[22:37:29]

dustybin:

if you read the top of this it give a brief example of channel scanning

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dustybin:

http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php

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dustybin:

actually let me find a better example because i think u need frequency scans

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hd420:

if one's using DVB, then that site is fine

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dustybin:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/First_s . . . h_a_DVB_card

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planktonboy:

and yup

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AMystery:

isn't dvb just europe?

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dustybin:

oh yes

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planktonboy:

parkers guide is pretty good

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dustybin:

i forgot :-S

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planktonboy:

and if you get stuck he has a blog and answers really quick

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AMystery:

i've read parkers guide but so far not gotten it right

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planktonboy:

AMystery are you using ubuntu

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AMystery:

yep

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planktonboy:

but your based in US right?

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hd420:

AMystery: DVB is also used by Dish Network

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hd420:

not DirectTV

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clever:

when i go into mythweb and upcmming recordings

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clever:

i can see a show set to record at 6pm

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AMystery:

good to know. however I'm using cable, not sat.

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clever:

when i go to the tv listing i see its airing at 5pm

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** hd420 needs to figure out how to do mythtv-setup without X **

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dustybin:

clever: u need to set the time on your box correctly?

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clever:

its being set by ntp

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clever:

and the clock in the top of mythweb confirms that its 5:40 pm

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clever:

which means the show started 40mins ago

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clever:

which agrees with the internal guide data

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dustybin:

what should the time be?

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clever:

5:40

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dustybin:

and mythweb shows the correct time?

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planktonboy:

clever what router are you using

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clever:

only on some pages

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clever:

the channel listing shows the show as being at 5pm

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clever:

the upcomming recordings listing shows it at 6pm

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clever:

and my router is a linksys router

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dustybin:

is the front end and backend all on the same box

[22:44:13]

planktonboy:

I noticed a prob on my netgear router DG 834G that was always an hour fast but after unticking daylight saving then it corrected it

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clever:

yes

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planktonboy:

maybe 2 things are doing daylight saving time

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planktonboy:

and therefore your getting double configuration of that

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planktonboy:

or something

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clever:

ahhh

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clever:

the internal schedule of the backend

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clever:

isnt updated

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planktonboy:

just a thought

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clever:

but the clock moved without warning

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clever:

need to make it reschedule things

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clever:

so until i change a recording rule all recordings will be off by an hour

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clever:

2007-03–11 16:45:53.636 Reschedule requested for id 162.

[22:46:12]

clever:

2007-03–11 16:45:55.405 Scheduled 133 items in 1.8 = 0.14 match + 1.62 place

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planktonboy:

by the way what is the command to check the time via terminal command

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clever:

'date'

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planktonboy:

I use ssh to log into my mythpc from this laptop

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dustybin:

Sun Mar 11 22:46:33 GMT 2007

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clever:

wait i see a problem

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planktonboy:

so that would be a useful command

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clever:

when i run date under the mythtv username it comes up as 4pm

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clever:

but mythweb and everything else claims 5pm

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dustybin:

hm there u go..

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dustybin:

set all dates correct and use the ntp daemon to keep times correct

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clever:

im forcing a TZ=CST6 on the front/backend

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clever:

but not mythweb/mysql

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clever:

its 1 box

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clever:

they are all synced:P

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clever:

just the zones dont match between programs

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dustybin:

aye there u go!

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clever:

unset TZ and restarted both

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dustybin:

The Jeremy Kyle Show: My Sister's a Teen Prostitute and My Mum Thinks It's OK!

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clever:

2007-03–11 17:48:53.781 Started recording: MythBusters "MythBusters Outtakes": channel 1045 on cardid 1, sourceid 1

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dustybin:

wow look forward to that :)

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clever:

now its noticed the program is on

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clever:

and started recording 48mins late

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SdamasLPT:

Quick pick the collective brain question: my lircd startup commands aren't loading automatically upon bootup. I have to open a shell and do a /sbin/chkconfig and /sbin/service to get things running. What's the easiest way to automate things so that's not necessary?

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dustybin:

right off the top of my head

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dustybin:

hold on

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AMystery:

add them to init.d. most modern distros have some kind of gui for starting services at run levels also

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dustybin:

what distro u using

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SdamasLPT:

FC2 (yes – I know – old :-)

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dustybin:

jeeze

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clever:

from the /sbin/service it sounded like redhat9

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clever:

but fc is based on rh

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clever:

ubuntu called it invoke-rc.d

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AMystery:

i feel like I'm so close! if only i had working channels I would have tv!

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dustybin:

AMystery: sounds like a bit of A.Mystery to me!

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dustybin:

SdamasLPT: u need to find out how FC2 manages daemons, i havent a clue!

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clever:

lol

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SdamasLPT:

dusty – no worries – just thought I'd inquire. Someday soon I'll upgrade to FC5 :)

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AMystery:

i need some better way to test if the card is working properly

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clever:

SdamasLPT im still using redhat9 on my oldest linux box

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dustybin:

A Mystery wont dont u try scanning with Kaffeine?

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orko_:

hi. If is use TV out . Do i have to use deinterlace?

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AMystery:

orko: probably depends if your tv is interlaced or non-interlaced

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dustybin:

orko_: im using TV Out and find the best results are deinterlace with bob and weave in mythtv settings

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clever:

SdamasLPT my redhat9 is bearly 'aint broke':P

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orko_:

clever: i dont know the defaults anymore,-(

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clever:

64mb ram and a small swap file

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clever:

it locks up every now and them

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orko_:

AMystery: i have a 10 year old normal PAL TV,. i think its interlaced.

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clever:

SdamasLPT: also its claiming 3.9terabytes of ram is cached every now and then

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AMystery:

i know nothing of configuring for PAL

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SdamasLPT:

clever – that's a lot :)

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dustybin:

orko: my setup is same as yours

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clever:

its only got 64mb of ram

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orko_:

clever: so i can uncheck "deinterlace playback" and keep the spcial filter field empty?

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clever:

ram used for cache cant go over 64mb

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clever:

not posible

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AMystery:

only 3.9TB? you really need more ram!

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SdamasLPT:

Is transfering a mythtv database from one build to another a daunting task?

[22:58:03]

orko_:

dustybin: wheres weave?

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AMystery:

or were you talking about L1 cache? in which case, 3.9TB is about right for me:)

[22:58:13]

clever:

AMystery: i think the number went negative

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clever:

free

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clever:

total used free shared buffers cached

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clever:

Mem: 61692 54340 7352 0 26840 4294964996

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dustybin:

orko: utlities/setup >> setup >> TV settings >> Playback

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hd420:

how do i get the schema version of the mythconverg database?

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orko_:

dustybin: theres is no weave. only bob 2x

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orko_:

is this bb+ weave?

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dustybin:

orko: yes thats what i mean sorry bob x2

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dustybin:

im not sure

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dustybin:

but that works excellent for me

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orko_:

dustybin: do you use some extra filters?

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dustybin:

no

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orko_:

in this line below

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dustybin:

my preferred MPEG2 decoder is Standard

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orko_:

dustybin: my output is a bit unsharp if i compare it to my normal tv.

[23:00:41]

dustybin:

yes i think mine is too but its smooth

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AMystery:

that reminds me. for a pvr-350 which has an onboard mpeg2 decoder, should it be set to standard?

[23:01:15]

dustybin:

orko: is there a way of sharpening it up?

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dustybin:

AMystery, im not too sure with that card, for me i get better results with the CPU doing the decoding rather than the hardware on the card

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orko_:

dustybin: i dont know. i'am seeking for a while. i thought perhaps yll this deinterlace stuff that should not be needed for TV out makes it unsharp.

[23:03:23]

orko_:

But i am not sure.

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dustybin:

interesting ive just turned my deinterlace off

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SdamasLPT:

That's really odd – my Mythtv listing as behind by an hour

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SdamasLPT:

We had the early DST shift last night which would explain the hour, but I thought the mythbox would compensate automatically

[23:07:23]

orko_:

dustybin: what result?

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dustybin:

it seems ok without deinterlace, strange because i done this a while back and u could notice quite a bit of jitter

[23:11:12]

orko_:

dustybin: as far as i understadn this deinterlace stuff it for playing interlaced recording on non interlaced output devices like monitors/beamers. so on tv there should no need for deinterlace

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knowledgejunkie:

orko_: you might need to deinterlace on an interlaced display if your video timings are not perfect

[23:12:57]

ferent:

hello, I´ve instaled mythtv few minutes ago, and the mythfilldatabase don´t fill the chanel data

[23:13:13]

ferent:

I'm from spain, sorry for my bad english

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orko_:

what i do not understadn is that the image of the pvr350 looks so unsharp cmpared to my TV .

[23:13:54]

ferent:

hey orko_ I have a pvr350 too :)

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gardengnome:

great. i've tried to use mythbrowser to look at the bbc news feed. it's asked me "you have a received a cookie [..]". :/

[23:15:26]

ferent:

it seems mythfilldatabase is trying to connetc to localhost, somebody could help me?

[23:16:29]

AMystery:

have you run myth-setup?

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ferent:

AMystery: that question is for me?

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AMystery:

ferent: yes

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ferent:

yes I do

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ferent:

I configure all

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ferent:

I think

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ferent:

do you want to paste my bash result to pasterbin?

[23:18:03]

dustybin:

orko_: i was wrong, there is quite a bit of jitter with deinterlace turned off so it must be to do with my video timings

[23:18:57]

AMystery:

ferent: i'm new also so I'm trying to remember. i suppose seeing the bash output might help, at least a little of it

[23:19:25]

ferent:

jeje, AMystery, thanks for your help

[23:19:33]

ferent:

a will paste it

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ferent:

wait

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Keithaway:

anyone got their wiimote working with myth? I can see on the wiki buttons are working, is anyone close to cursor movement?

[23:20:42]

ferent:

AMystery: you are new on linux or in Mythtv?

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AMystery:

very new to myth, less new to linux

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ferent:

AMystery: http://pastebin.com/897346

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ferent:

as you can see, the error is that mythfilldatabase is trying to conect to localhost

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orko_:

Keithaway: I think if you have the wii and the mythtv box in the same room then its not a goob idea to use the wiimote, because you may mix something up in n´mythtv while gaming.

[23:24:50]

kgbudz:

anyone else suffering from y2k7 dst?

[23:24:58]

kgbudz:

like i just updated my clock on linux

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kgbudz:

and did a mythfilldatabase

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kgbudz:

but my tv listings are an hour off

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Keithaway:

orko_, doesnt the wiimote prevent itself pairing with more than one device at a time, so you can say, use two wiis in the same room (which would mean a wii and another bluetooth device would be no different)?

[23:26:07]

AMystery:

ferent: best guess. the backend server is not running. try doing /etc/init.d/mythbackend restart

[23:26:09]

orko_:

but how to disconnect the wiimote from the mythbox

[23:26:17]

ferent:

pl AMystery

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ferent:

ok AMystery

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Keithaway:

dunno, find a disconnect option :D

[23:27:23]

ferent:

AMystery: when I restart it, I obtain the next error:

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ferent:

Restarting MythTV server: mythbackendNo /usr/bin/mythbackend found running; none killed.

[23:27:25]

ferent:

.

[23:27:25]

ferent:

Session management error: Could not open network socket

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Keithaway:

I just hate having multiple remotes – and I figured having a remote and a wiimote is still cheating myself, so having the one, universal wiimote would be best.

[23:27:35]

orko_:

Keithaway: http://forthewiin.org/ try this and activate usage of mouse in mythtv.

[23:27:46]

gardengnome:

ferent: check if there's some lock file left over

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AMystery:

ferent: I assume that is fine. i get the same thing but my backend is running. now try doing mythfilldatabase

[23:28:02]

gardengnome:

ferent: also make sure that htere's no mythbackend process still running

[23:28:10]

ferent:

gardengnome: how can I check that?

[23:28:20]

Keithaway:

orko_, I dont have a decent nix compat bluetooth device, I was just curious if anyone was close :)

[23:28:31]

ferent:

ps aux|grep myth

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gardengnome:

ferent: ps ax | grep myth or by reading a book on linux

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AMystery:

it should be running now since you just restarted it. you can stop it using /etc/init.d/mythbackend stop

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ferent:

I know AMystery

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ferent:

ok

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ferent:

I will see

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kgbudz:

anyone here in the us?

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SdamasLPT:

kgbudz – I'm having the same issue

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SdamasLPT:

(Canada here)

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ferent:

gardengnome: the ps doesn't show any results (only the grep of course), I´ve tryed to restart another time and the same result

[23:31:16]

kgbudz:

is the issue that datadirect (zap2it) is an hour off now?

[23:31:23]

ferent:

Session management error: Could not open network socket

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ferent:

AMystery

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SdamasLPT:

kgbudz – that's not the issue as far as I can tell

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kgbudz:

like when i do mythfilldatabase

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kgbudz:

its not fixing it

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kgbudz:

my shows are listed an hour off

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SdamasLPT:

Open the zap2it listings in a browser windows and compare them to what's on your myth program guide

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kormoc:

kgbudz, fix your timezone

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kgbudz:

zap2it is showing it correct

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kgbudz:

my local mythtv time is correct

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AMystery:

ferent: you are beyond me. I'd guess that your initial mythtv-setup is improper. perhaps giving it a non local backend server or database server or osmething like that

[23:33:07]

SdamasLPT:

zap2it listings are correct – it's your myth box that's off

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kgbudz:

how do i fix it

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SdamasLPT:

Good question.

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kormoc:

kgbudz, by fixing your timezone...

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kgbudz:

because my local time is correct

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gardengnome:

ferent: a friend of mine had the same error last night, i'll ask him about it

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kormoc:

kgbudz, what's your localtime?

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kgbudz:

7:34 EST

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ferent:

thanks gardengnome

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kgbudz:

which is correct

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kormoc:

kgbudz, we're in EDT now, daylight savings was last night

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kormoc:

kgbudz, so no, it's not

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ferent:

AMystery: I read the documentation in the mythtv website

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ferent:

I follow the steps

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ferent:

to configure it

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kgbudz:

where do i change this?

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kormoc:

kgbudz, that depends on the distro

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kgbudz:

fedora

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ferent:

gardengnome: is your friend in the irc?

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SdamasLPT:

fedora here as well

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kormoc:

kgbudz, which version?

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SdamasLPT:

fc2

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kgbudz:

fc4 i believe

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kormoc:

SdamasLPT, well, update tzdata and see if you can yum install system-config-date

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kgbudz:

like i only see an option for eastern time zone

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kormoc:

kgbudz, so yum update tzdata and run system-config-date and set it to eastern again

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kgbudz:

i ran an ntp update and it gave me 7:35

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dustybin:

i just rand a ntp update and it said: make us a cup o tea

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kormoc:

kgbudz, sure, cause NTP gives the universal time, and then counts on your timezone setup to make it correct

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AMystery:

i just got hit by a time zone bug in another program. very annoying

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gardengnome:

ferent: no.

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gardengnome:

ferent: he says there was some file "nfslockfile" left, probably in his recording directory. deleting it fixed the problem for him

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cheeseboy:

omg

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cheeseboy:

adobes flash link is going 42bs

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ferent:

I will try gardengnome

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SdamasLPT:

kormoc – when I do a apt-get install system-config-date it tells me I'm already running the newest version

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SdamasLPT:

(I don't have yum installed)

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ferent:

yes gardengnome!

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gr33npho3nix:

anybody have a good recommendation doing the myth tv setup remotely, i'm on my mac and trying to remote into my linux machine to setup mythtv but the setup core-dumps when i try to run it in vnc

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ferent:

there is

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kormoc:

SdamasLPT, ahh, kk, well, update tzdata and then run system-config-date and reset it, it should be correct after that

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kgbudz:

like i did all of that

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dustybin:

gr33npho3nix: vnc ?

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dustybin:

ok

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dustybin:

i mis read

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kgbudz:

i set my timezone to new york, did an ntpd restart

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kgbudz:

its showing the correct time....

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kormoc:

kgbudz, you might be having the fedora bug where you need to pick a different one first and then re-run setup and set it to eastern

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kgbudz:

how do i clear out my listings?

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gr33npho3nix:

dustybin: thats what i'm using but it mythtv-setup core dumps

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kgbudz:

ok

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kormoc:

kgbudz, then to update your listings, mythfilldatabase --refresh-all

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ferent:

thanks gardengnome and AMystery

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gardengnome:

ferent: nice :)

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dustybin:

gr33npho3nix: strange i thought vnc is vnc just as if u was on the machine

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kormoc:

dustybin, in a lot of ways, sure, but in a lot of ways, it can't do full hardware emulation

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kgbudz:

cool, i ran a refresh-all earlier

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kgbudz:

which didnt work

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kgbudz:

hopefully it will work this time around...

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kormoc:

gr33npho3nix, you can always use ssh x forwarding

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kormoc:

kgbudz, when you type date, it shows EDT now?

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kgbudz:

yes...

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SdamasLPT:

kormoc – you mean do an apt-get update

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kormoc:

then it will

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gr33npho3nix:

i'll try those again guys, yeah vnc usually doesn't have many odd side effects

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kgbudz:

that might have been it

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kgbudz:

awesome :)

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kormoc:

SdamasLPT, whatever you use to update the package, aye :P

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AMystery:

vnc is just like you are on the machine. it displays the window on the machine and then sends you a picture of it...

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Keithaway:

thats a bit optimistic

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dustybin:

aye thats right

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SdamasLPT:

kormoc – sorry to be obtuse, by when you say "update tzdata" what do you mean exactly?

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kormoc:

AMystery, but certain things like opengl windows and other direct hardware rendered displays are not quite the same

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Keithaway:

its like your on the machine with 16bit graphics and a horrible frame rate.

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kormoc:

SdamasLPT, the package that controls your timezone data is called tzdata

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dustybin:

yep

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gardengnome:

kormoc: still, mythtv should handle the absence of those gracefully

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kgbudz:

SdamasLPT, type this: yum update tzdata

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AMystery:

true, they may not come through properly but they shouldn't error

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kormoc:

gardengnome, should being the key word, some VNC clients do say they support opengl and then just don't

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AMystery:

but strange things happen so listen to the experts

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dustybin:

i think mac users use something called chicken of the vnc ?

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dustybin:

i use xtightvncviewer and it works great

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gardengnome:

kormoc: oy. stupid vnc clients.

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dustybin:

its also i good idea to tunnel vnc through ssh especially if u are vncing remotely!

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SdamasLPT:

When I try a apt-get install tzdata it tells me tzdata is already the newest version

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kormoc:

SdamasLPT, nifty, so you just need to run system-config-date and set it and hit ok

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kgbudz:

ok, something is messed up now

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kgbudz:

mythweb is showing the correct listings

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SdamasLPT:

When you say "set it" you mean ensure the date and time and timezone are correct?

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kgbudz:

but listings via mythfrontend are an hour off

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kormoc:

SdamasLPT, aye

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SdamasLPT:

They already are correct

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kormoc:

SdamasLPT, then hit okay

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kgbudz:

it wont change channels either

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kormoc:

SdamasLPT, the issue is that util copys the timezone data over, and previous versions of tzdata didn't know about the new changes, and so it's sitting there using it, so when you updated the tzdata, you need to tell it to copy the new data over

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kgbudz:

i hope i get this working in the next 8 minutes...

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kgbudz:

8pm is about to start

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AMystery:

i'm giving up on fixing problems for tonight. have a good evening

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kgbudz:

ok, mythweb is showing the listings correctly

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kgbudz:

backend is an hour off on its schedules...

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kgbudz:

wait, im running a slave...

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GreyFoxx:

Mine is the opposite. Mythweb's listings screen is off by and hour, but Upcoming recordings, and the backend are correct hehe

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kgbudz:

let me look into that

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kgbudz:

i think the slave is messing things up

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kgbudz:

cause it owns the tuners...

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