Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, March 10th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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madelephant:

apparently it's better at handling big files

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dustybin:

aye indeed

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dustybin:

has anyone used Mythstreamtv, the plug in for mythweb

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Dagmar:

The functional differences between XFS and JFS are practically moot, and they're both definitely better for large files and our purposes than ext2/3

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W6SN:

anyone here use NFS for the filestore? (looking at stuff for my home system)

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juski:

dustybin: yeah. took it off when the novelty wore off (after about 30 minutes)

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Dagmar:

NFS would possibly be the worst possible way to store files

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Dagmar:

...but good as you're going to get for a _remote_ filestore

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dustybin:

heh

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W6SN:

that's the point of my question heh

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W6SN:

i know it's bad, just wondering if anyone knows from experience _how_ bad :)

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Dagmar:

The access latency will kill random accesses of files

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Dagmar:

It'

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Dagmar:

It'll be sluggish, that's about all

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W6SN:

bad to the point of 'not usable', or bad to the point of 'throw more at it and it'll at least work ok'

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Dagmar:

No, you'll know you're dealing with remote files tho

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W6SN:

yeah

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W6SN:

i figured as much

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Dagmar:

You could probably use CIFS as well

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W6SN:

i'm thinking about centrally locating all the disk storage, so i don't have drives everywhere in the house

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Dagmar:

Not a bad thought

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Dagmar:

I'm planning on switching over to some kind of NAS solution ebfore the year is out

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Dagmar:

I need to get some GigE stuff first tho

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Dagmar:

Everything at my place is still 100base-T

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W6SN:

and just making it a big beefy storage machine (i've got an old p3 sitting aruond, with an fxp card, it'd be fine for this)

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W6SN:

yeah, i dunno if i wanna jump to gig yet

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W6SN:

there'll really only be the three locations in the house

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Beirdo:

why not use GigE?

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W6SN:

lack of switch and nics

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Beirdo:

speed is good :)

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Beirdo:

ahh

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Dagmar:

Because you pretty much need a PCI express slot free for the cards

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W6SN:

hehe, good enough reason? :)

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Dagmar:

I have only two machines with those at the moment

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Beirdo:

no you don't

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W6SN:

plus all my existing cat5 is not good enough for the full gig

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Beirdo:

you can use PCI, it will work fine

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Dagmar:

PLain PCI gige cards work about as well as that bastardized ISA 100base-T card 3Com was making

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Dagmar:

I have yet to see a gigE card that can hit max throughput on plain PCI

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Beirdo:

no they are about 5–6 times faster

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Beirdo:

of course not

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laga:

this backup is slow *falls asleep*

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Beirdo:

but still, better than 100Mbit

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but I'd rather get the full benefit of the media if I can

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janneg:

much better, I've seen more than 50Mbyte/s

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Dagmar:

I'm looking to have the stuff get me as close to local disk speeds as possible

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Dagmar:

...and possibly better if I throw enough RAM at the box

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W6SN:

just use iscsi!

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Dagmar:

OMG no

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Dagmar:

Been there

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W6SN:

hehehe

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Beirdo:

OMG

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janneg:

something which my crappy via chipset with integrated gigE doesn't archieve

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Beirdo:

the audio driver package... 24MB

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Dagmar:

THe horror... the horror...

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W6SN:

guy i know swears up and down by it, cuz his ibm blades can boot off iscsi

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Dagmar:

It'll be great if you have gige.

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W6SN:

yeah, he has gige...

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W6SN:

but still

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Dagmar:

At fast ethernet speeds, it's just slow

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juski:

/bin/ls: No such file or directory

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juski:

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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juski:

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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juski:

!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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laga:

juski: did you mess with /usr/?

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laga:

er, /?

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juski:

nope

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juski:

and nope

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dustybin:

did u get hacked?

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juski:

nope

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laga:

juski: "echo *" can be used instead of "ls"

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juski:

what can I do here?

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dustybin:

are u using one of them l33t distros where u have to install practically EVERYTHING?

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juski:

dd

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onewheelskyward:

Check your df, for one to see if everythings mounted.

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juski:

-bash: /bin/df: No such file or directory

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juski:

smart

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dustybin:

:-S

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onewheelskyward:

Oh, right. bin's gone. heh

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laga:

juski: cat /proc/mounts

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juski:

the hdd led is on solid

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W6SN:

good job juski

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** dustybin laughs mechanically **

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juski:

cat not found

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W6SN:

hahaha

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W6SN:

no echo?

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juski:

I think maybe the hdd controller has shat its pants

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juski:

I can't fix it if /usr has gone

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juski:

like I can't copy files, or *anything*

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juski:

so I might aswell try rebooting

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dustybin:

does this mean u need to reinstall from scratch?

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juski:

I suspect not

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onewheelskyward:

Yeah. I've had controllers take a dump before. It might come back.

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dustybin:

it takes a fair amount of time intalling a mythbox from scratch

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GreyFoxx:

pffft, 1, maybe two hours from scratch including compiling myth

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Dagmar:

It's easier if you look into your distributions automated install mechanisms

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GreyFoxx:

IT's the initial learning curve that takes the most time for people

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dustybin:

yeah true

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jusk1:

so er.. I basically just have to hit the reset button

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jusk1:

can't do a clean shutdown

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laga:

GreyFoxx: i like to do things differently when i reinstall, it'll still take a lot of time then ;)

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jusk1:

so here goes..

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onewheelskyward:

myth doesn't take as much time as it used to. Thank you package installers.

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juski:

/dev/hda1 was not cleanly unmounted

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juski:

no shit!

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daviey:

juski, go to bed

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onewheelskyward:

I think it took me 2 months of off and on compiling and what not do install it a few years back.

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onewheelskyward:

Back in the ivtv 0.1.x days.

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juski:

hrm I think I might need to take an image of /dev/hda1 just to be on the safe side

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laga:

*shivers*

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laga:

onewheelskyward: i remember those days. it sucked ;)

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dustybin:

juski: what tool do u use for taking images

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juski:

well, what do I expect, running consumer level drives 24/7 for over years...

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juski:

dustybin: g4l

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dustybin:

aye ok

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juski:

there we go

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juski:

all rebootay

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juski:

daviey: not going to bed til all my recordings are copied back

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dustybin:

Friday Night MythTV Mayhem

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onewheelskyward:

laga: Yeah, it sucked, but I was damn proud when it was all finally working. That box ran with no changes for over 2 years.

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laga:

onewheelskyward: i kept reinstalling because i used a crappy vga card :/

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juski:

doing the copy again

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juski:

I miss gentoo's cp -g

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laga:

what does it do?

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juski:

shows a progress bar

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laga:

ah

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laga:

ricer toys. ;)

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laga:

i use the output of vmstat and bc to calculate throughput ;)

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prekitt:

hi everybody

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prekitt:

any here using a ati remote wonder II

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Beirdo:

hmm, I hope Norton Ghost 2003 doesn't need a CD key. my puppy ripped the CD envelope to shreds

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laga:

use partimage then ;)

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Beirdo:

no.

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Beirdo:

I bought this a while back, and I will use it :)

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prekitt:

I am looking for a good xmodmap file

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juski:

I'm looking for a dirty mistress with a limitless supply of free hard disks, but we can't always get what we want

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juski:

< still trying to make it into bash.org

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juski:

oh shit

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juski:

got an i/o error copying a recording across

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laga:

what does smart say?

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juski:

SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

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laga:

:/

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laga:

maybe you need to run that long test

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juski:

maybe I shouldn't have used cp -u

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juski:

ah well I've always said my recordings are disposable

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dustybin:

juski: go to bed and wake up with a fresh head

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ferent:

hello everybody, someone can help me with my hauppauge tv card?

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ferent:

IÂ´m from spain

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ferent:

:)

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juski:

dustybin: a fresh head will not make any difference

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dustybin:

fire away

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dustybin:

heh ok

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juski:

if I've copied my recordings to a duff partition, then so be it

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juski:

there's f.a. I could do about it since ridding myself of the original ext3 storage :)

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dustybin:

you shouldnt have any problems with xfs

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** dustybin grabs some choccy biccies **

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laga:

xfs doesn't help much when his hard disk is broken, though )

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juski:

dustybin: the point is, at least one of the files is corrupted

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** laga yawns **

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laga:

this backup is taking waaayyy too long

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juski:

I knew the risks & remember all is disposable

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cheeseboy:

hi

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dustybin:

juski: Uk freeview repeat most things...!

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juski:

that's not to say I won't miss some of the unwatched shows a little for a while ;)

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cheeseboy:

how do i install mythtv on ubuntu..?

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Beirdo:

juski, silly boy, use rsync :)

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cheeseboy:

its saying it can't find package

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dustybin:

what are peoples reactions to mythtv who dont know anything about it but u showed them? ie your wife

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laga:

cheeseboy: http://wiki.ubuntu.com search the wiki

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kormoc_:

dustybin, depends on the people... some like it... some don't... some try to kill you with a dull spoon...

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dustybin:

lol

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** dustybin thinks about installing a frontend in my parents living room **

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juski:

now is the time to learn about rsync I suppose

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dustybin:

juski: print out the manual!

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laga:

rsync ftw

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juski:

dustybin: for all my wife's protestations, she's always showing it off

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kormoc:

rsync + ssh ftw

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cheeseboy:

sudo apt-get install mythtv-themes

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cheeseboy:

doesnt work...

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laga:

rsnapshot FTW

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dustybin:

cheeseboy: wrong window

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cheeseboy:

?

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dustybin:

cheeseboy: what error is reported?

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kormoc:

cheeseboy, given we don't know your distro or what it doesn't work...

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dustybin:

i guess ubuntu!

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cheeseboy:

E: Couldn't find package mythtv-themes

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cheeseboy:

ubuntu edgy eft

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laga:

cheeseboy: have you read the guide in the ubuntu wiki?

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cheeseboy:

yes

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laga:

cheeseboy: are you following it?

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cheeseboy:

yes

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cheeseboy:

thats where im stuck

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dustybin:

i think all u need to do is uncomment them

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dustybin:

then run apt-get update

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dustybin:

cheeseboy: dont forget to RTFM!

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cheeseboy:

?

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cheeseboy:

RFTM?

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dustybin:

Read The 'Fine' Manual

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cheeseboy:

what are the multimedia respitories?

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dustybin:

hold on let me find em

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juski:

they're repositories of multimedia apps & stuff

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laga:

cheeseboy: he's talking about multiverse

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cheeseboy:

k..?

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dustybin:

yeah just uncomment everything in your sources.list and run a apt-get update

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laga:

cheeseboy: the answers to your questions are somewhere in that ubuntu wiki.

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laga:

dustybin: *everything* i sprobably a bad idea

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dustybin:

not really

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juski:

no, really

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dustybin:

there isnt that much in there

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laga:

dustybin, cheeseboy: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/desktopgu . . . itories.html

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laga:

granted, that's not the wiki, that's the official ubuntu documentation.

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dustybin:

i thought mythtv was available on ubuntus official repositories

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juski:

it is, but they're not the ones you really want

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laga:

which ones do you want instead?

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juski:

superm1's if anybodys

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dustybin:

cheeseboy: use this for your sources.list

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dustybin:

http://parker1.co.uk/edgy/sources.list

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dustybin:

http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php

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laga:

juski: those ARE superm1's packages, they're just older ;)

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fwitness:

Hey people.

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laga:

g'night guys. cheeseboy: good luck :)

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juski:

night laga

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juski:

damn rsync is slow

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cheeseboy:

do i want frontend or backend?

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dustybin:

i beg your pardon

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FairWtns:

Got a quick Q that I can't find a solution to anywhere. I tried to upgrade mysql, then reverted, now I'm getting "QMSQL3 driver not loaded" on the backend. I've had the problem before, but can't remember the fix...

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** FairWtns curses his lack of BitchX knowledge. **

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cheeseboy:

whats the difference between them?

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dustybin:

cheeseboy: read that ubuntu install guide for mythtv

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dustybin:

http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php

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dustybin:

the frontend and backend can be on the same machine

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dustybin:

but u need them both

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Beirdo:

Windows, land of a billion reboots

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dustybin:

whats windows?

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dustybin:

oh i know, its that crappy thing what microsoft made

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FairWtns:

Beirdo : Long time no see! Saw your "new" blog. Sounds like you had a great vacation.

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Beirdo:

heh, yeah. Permanent vacation now :)

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Beirdo:

well, location-wise

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Beirdo:

got me green card and all :)

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GreyFoxx:

FairWtns: Your error is likely because your QT mysql library has been compiled against a different version of mysql than you current have loaded

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FairWtns:

GreyFoxx : Hrm...Interesting.

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Beirdo:

now time for the Windows Update shite :)

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dustybin:

yuk

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FairWtns:

Beirdo : Where are you at now?

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dustybin:

ive got a window parition on this machine what i only use for photoshop

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dustybin:

everytime i boot into it it requires a update

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Beirdo:

well, I just installed Win98SE. so...

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dustybin:

heh, u should of gone for windows3.1

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FairWtns:

Beirdo : You did not just say that.

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GreyFoxx:

FairWtns: just QT should be fine

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kormoc:

FairWtns, revdep-rebuild is your friend

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Beirdo:

nah, got the license and all... making a ghost image to re-install over the network... PXE booting rules, BTW

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Beirdo:

also put in the installer for every version of ubuntu... netbooting.

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Beirdo:

heh

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FairWtns:

kormoc: Thought I tried that, but order of operations *is* important...

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dustybin:

are there actualy version numbers for windows at all? windows3.1 >> windows95 ? what version is windows 95,98,XP.. ?

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Beirdo:

98SE is 4.2 something

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dustybin:

i see

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Beirdo:

dunno about XP

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Beirdo:

heh

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kormoc:

and there's build numbers too

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dustybin:

http://www.computerhope.com/whow.htm

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dustybin:

windows xp home is windows 5.1

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** FairWtns revdeps. **

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juski:

I think I might be lucky if this rsync is finished by the time I wake up

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dustybin:

maybe vista is windows 6.0

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** gentgeen__ thinks that it is Windows 6.66 **

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Beirdo:

more like 0.6

[01:59:06]

dustybin:

heeh

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dustybin:

lol

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juski:

what's vista?

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CJLucas_:

anyone know if there's a way to control mythtv from another computer on the same network>?

[01:59:46]

dustybin:

visÂ·ta /ËˆvÉªstÉ™/ Pronunciation Key – Show Spelled Pronunciation[vis-tuh] Pronunciation Key – Show IPA Pronunciation

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dustybin:

â€“noun

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dustybin:

1. a view or prospect, esp. one seen through a long, narrow avenue or passage, as between rows of trees or houses.

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dustybin:

2. such an avenue or passage, esp. when formally planned.

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juski:

oh, that version of windows that takes anything up to 99% CPU while just sitting there at the desktop?

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dustybin:

3. a far-reaching mental view: vistas of the future.

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dustybin:

heh

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juski:

CJLucas_: depends what you mean by 'control'

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CJLucas_:

juski: navigate

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juski:

mythfrontend has had a telnet interface for a while

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CJLucas_:

k great

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kormoc:

3.2, windows for gullible fools

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dustybin:

i didnt know that!

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juski:

some folks have written wireless appliance remotes based around it

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dustybin:

u can telnet into the myth frontend?!

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juski:

duh yeah

[02:01:20]

juski:

if you enable it

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dustybin:

arghh

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kormoc:

dustybin, no, we're lying about it, just to fool you

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dustybin:

hehehe

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CJLucas_:

dustybin: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Telnet_socket

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Beirdo:

!trout kormoc smartass

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** MythLogBot slaps kormoc with a smartass trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

goes with the day so far

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juski:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Telnet_socket

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CJLucas_:

i win

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Beirdo:

I had plenty of PXE joy today

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juski:

ah shite I'm rsyncing the files to the wrong subdir

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FairWtns:

Beirdo : We do a lot of PXE stuff at work. 90% of our config actually. Allows lots of automation.

[02:03:31]

juski:

ach well, wont take long to mv /video/* into /video/videorec

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Beirdo:

Hehe, I have a menu... Which Ubuntu to install, or floppy image to boot... local disk...

[02:03:50]

Beirdo:

soon will add Ghost restore of Winblows

[02:03:53]

dustybin:

its probably not a good idea telnet'n into your mythtv box remotely

[02:05:10]

Beirdo:

ooooh. 0 KB/5.5M

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Beirdo:

and stuck

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Beirdo:

I love M$

[02:05:31]

Beirdo:

oh there it goes

[02:05:34]

Beirdo:

heh

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dustybin:

Encoder 1 is local on debian and is watching Live TV: 'X-Change' on BBC ONE. This recording will end at 3:20 AM.

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juski:

neither encoder is anywhere and is not doing anything til your rsync has finished, foo

[02:06:09]

Beirdo:

ooooooh

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Beirdo:

that's why my connection is so damned slow

[02:06:28]

Beirdo:

I'm downloading an ISO to my fileserver. DUH!

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juski:

hey no problem CJLucas_ – anytime

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Beirdo:

VDSL!!!

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Beirdo:

!trout CJLucas bastard

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** MythLogBot slaps CJLucas with a bastard trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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Beirdo:

:)

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dustybin:

juski have u sat down and read the whole mythtv manual? 137 pages worth?

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juski:

dustybin: I did at one point, before I installed mythtv 0.16

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juski:

I've said it before – I'm a freak!

[02:08:21]

dustybin:

there a lot of shit i dont know how to do like edit recordings so im gonna read it

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dustybin:

heheh

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juski:

dustybin: I didn't get editing until I saw the daily use manual in the wiki

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cheeseboy:

mythtv-setup why is say unknown commmand?

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juski:

I tried it, just going by the manual & I was like EH?!

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dustybin:

i havent attempted to print the wiki yet, its pretty darn big

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juski:

cheeseboy: presumably because it isn't installed?

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juski:

and you kind of need it

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cheeseboy:

nope its installed

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dustybin:

cheeseboy try executing sudo mythtv-setup

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cheeseboy:

did samething

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juski:

well I'm off to bed. this rsync isn't gonna go any faster with me watching it

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juski:

g'night

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dustybin:

cheeseboy

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dustybin:

did u install mythtv with:

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dustybin:

sudo apt-get install mythtv mythtv-themes

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dustybin:

repeat that

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banyan:

any ideas on whether / when that ivtv issue with the fb module having invalid or incorrect kernel symbols is gonna get fixed?

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cheeseboy:

i used synaptic

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dustybin:

use this from terminal

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dustybin:

sudo apt-get install mythtv mythtv-themes

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dustybin:

u obviously havent RTFW

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cheeseboy:

Errors were encountered while processing:

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cheeseboy:

mythtv-database

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cheeseboy:

mythtv

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dustybin:

what did u do for it to report that?

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cheeseboy:

what you gave me

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dustybin:

hm odd

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dustybin:

actually

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dustybin:

do this first

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dustybin:

sudo apt-get install mysql-server

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cheeseboy:

i already did that

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dustybin:

strange

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dustybin:

try doing a

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cheeseboy:

and added mythtv to users on file

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dustybin:

apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade

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dustybin:

then repeat everything from that wiki

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cheeseboy:

E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock – open (13 Permission denied)

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cheeseboy:

i did sudo

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mike3_:

How can I delete all the channels listings and start from scratch?

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dustybin:

do one a time, sudo apt-get update

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dustybin:

sudo apt-get upgrade

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dustybin:

mike3: the solution to your problem is probobaly in here somewhere

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dustybin:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

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cheeseboy:

dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of mythtv:

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hjohnson:

ok so my TV has knobs on it, so it needs to get replaced..

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hjohnson:

go LCD TV or LCD monitor?

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dustybin:

depends on size

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hjohnson:

if it was a TV it'd be 30 inchish, LCD 23"

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cheeseboy:

whats wrong with nobs :)

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mike3_:

i've deleted all the channels and did a rescan

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dustybin:

cheeseboy: who u calling a nob?

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hjohnson:

cheeseboy: the colour is sucking, and the thing is dying.

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cheeseboy:

i was joking

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dustybin:

ehh :p

[02:21:41]

hjohnson:

heh

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hjohnson:

the sharp aquos tvs look fairly nice

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dustybin:

johnson be darn careful when buying a lcd-tv, not all of them deinterlace properly

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hjohnson:

dustybin: all the tv would basically be going through my myth box.

[02:23:53]

dustybin:

hmm but u dont want a horrible jittery picture do u..

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cheeseboy:

dustybin it keeps giving me error about not being able to configure

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mike3_:

All my channel names are – Adding Channel ##

[02:24:36]

mike3_:

how can I fix that?

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dustybin:

mike3, have a look through the wiki

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hjohnson:

dustybin: hmm? it all gets de-interlaced in software before displaying on the tv

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hjohnson:

most of the content I watch is grabbed off of torrent anyhow (hey, id' watch it on tv if they'd actually broadcast it to me in a reasonable amount of time, but a 6 month delay is incomprehensable in the modern era)

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hjohnson:

dustybin: or the computer scales it, and does a better job of it

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dustybin:

yeah if the computer can scale at the same native res as your display things should be ok

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Beirdo:

oooh IE6 SP1

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Beirdo:

this should take a few minutes

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dustybin:

Beirdo: and a restart!

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dustybin:

im going to bed

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mike3_:

dustybin, i am.....

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dustybin:

good luck everyone, and dont forget to R T F W

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** dustybin away **

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mike3_:

i'm finding squat........

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squish102:

mike3_ i had same problem, and i think there was a mythfilldatabase option that corrected it

[02:36:13]

mike3_:

squish102, It isn't something about channel scanning in mythtv-setup ?

[02:36:19]

mike3_:

Possibly something about the frequency?

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cheeseboy:

how do i add thedatbase to mysql?

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squish102:

q: i record something with a pvr150, and after that i use nuvexport to make it a XviD. Is there a way that u can automatically run nuvexport?

[02:38:35]

squish102:

mike3_ u using datadirect?

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mike3_:

yahhh ...... ?

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squish102:

then i think what i did was

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squish102:

mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates

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squish102:

do a mythfilldatabase --help|more

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mike3_:

yep did it

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mike3_:

thanks man....

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mike3_:

what is datadirect exactly?

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squish102:

were u get your tv listings from

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squish102:

zap2it

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mike3_:

yes

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squish102:

zap2it is datadirect

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mike3_:

What is datadirect the type of broadcast?

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Regner:

could any one help me get my pvr-500 working on my mythtv backend

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cheeseboy:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'%' to database 'mythconverg'

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cheeseboy:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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cheeseboy:

how do i fix that?

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mike3_:

does that user exist?

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mike3_:

try mysql -u mythtv -p

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mike3_:

try your password when prompt

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mike3_:

see if it accepts

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cheeseboy:

Welcome to the MySQL monitor. Commands end with ; or g.

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cheeseboy:

i dont think ubuntu mae mythconverg though

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cheeseboy:

made*

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Regner:

mythtv will do that i think

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cheeseboy:

i said dependency error leaving unconfigured

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cheeseboy:

mso can some help me do it manually?

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mike3_:

ChanServ, so you got in?

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mike3_:

do show databases;

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mike3_:

do you see mythconverg ?

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cheeseboy:

+--------------------+

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cheeseboy:

| Database |

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cheeseboy:

+--------------------+

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cheeseboy:

| information_schema |

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cheeseboy:

+--------------------+

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mike3_:

ok you don't have a database imported

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mike3_:

you've forgot to follow a section.

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mike3_:

you need to import your database still

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cheeseboy:

how do i import it?

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mike3_:

there should be a mythtv.mc file or something

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mike3_:

give me a sec

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mike3_:

what version of mythtv?

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cheeseboy:

ok

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cheeseboy:

um i don't know

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mike3_:

check your repositories

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cheeseboy:

how?

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mike3_:

Which distribution ?

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cheeseboy:

ubuntu

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mike3_:

I'm a gentoo guy myself

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mike3_:

sec

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mike3_:

apt-get may list it

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mike3_:

do a apt-get --help

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mike3_:

I use Gentoo so you know.

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mike3_:

So i'm not familiar with apt-get

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cheeseboy:

gentoo was takin 8 hrs to install so i nvr tried it

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mike3_:

apt-get list maybe?

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mike3_:

not sure

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mike3_:

dpkg ?list

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mike3_:

ok

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mike3_:

do dpkg ?list |grep berl

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mike3_:

sorry

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mike3_:

du

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mike3_:

dpkg ?list|grep mythtv

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cheeseboy:

dpkg: need an action option

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mike3_:

you trust me via ssh?

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mike3_:

i'll fix you up

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cheeseboy:

ya

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mike3_:

do you have ssh setup ?

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cheeseboy:

um i dont think so

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cheeseboy:

i have vnc

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mike3_:

that works

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mike3_:

sec

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cheeseboy:

that u?

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mike3_:

yes

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ratbert90:

grrr, where the heck is lirc in the fedora core repos? :(

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ratbert90:

xris, unfortuantly, they don't seem to be in extras anymore

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xris:

ratbert90: shows up for me

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xris:

but not in livna

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xris:

which means you have to go to atrpms for the kernel modules required for a bunch of remotes.

[04:09:33]

xris:

(and the main reason my mceusb2 doesn't work)

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ratbert90:

just the lirc package. I have access to the driver, but not the program :('

[04:10:45]

xris:

they generally need to match

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ratbert90:

interesting eh?

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ratbert90:

yum install lirc yeilds nothing

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ratbert90:

yumex doesn't show anything either

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xris:

what version of fedora?

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ratbert90:

6

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** xris grumbes at firefox for crashing **

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ratbert90:

heh

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xris:

http://redhat.download.fedoraproject.org/pub/ . . . 6.x86_64.rpm

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xris:

i386 is there, too, if that's what you need

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ratbert90:

=]

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ratbert90:

thanks!

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ratbert90:

I wonder why yum doesn't see it :(

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ratbert90:

why does fedora hate me? :(

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Cardoe:

it's fedora... any questions?

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xris:

try: yum clean all

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Loto:

lol

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xris:

yum gets confused sometimes

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ratbert90:

yum clean all yeilds no results either when I search after I do that

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xris:

ratbert90: what are you using to search?

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ratbert90:

yum install lirc

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ratbert90:

yum search lirc

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ratbert90:

yum search lirc |grep 386

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ratbert90:

or yumex

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sigger_:

Compiling mythhello (plugin stub from wiki) in prep for writing a plugin but I'm getting errors.

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sigger_:

I must be missing some header files/libs: uitypes.h mythdialogs.h

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xris:

sigger_: do you have the mythtv devel packages installed?

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ratbert90:

ahHA

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sigger_:

mmm, nope. where can I find them?

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xris:

sigger_: same place you got mythtv.

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xris:

though if you're planning to write a plugin, I highly recommend that you upgrade to svn.

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xris:

it's the only way you'll get any help out of the devs

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sigger_:

ah, I use knoppmyth for my system.

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ratbert90:

ok, second question.

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ratbert90:

why is lirc not giving me a /dev/lirc anything?

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ratbert90:

just a lircd :(

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Dr_willis:

the modulkes are not loaded?

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xris:

ratbert90: "aha"?

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xris:

ratbert90: /dev/ requires kernel modules

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ratbert90:

xris, found it :)

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ratbert90:

yes, yes they do

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ratbert90:

and lirc_i2c and lirc_dev is loaded

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xris:

pretty sure modules have to be the same version as the app, etc.

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ratbert90:

I am going to hurt somebody

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ratbert90:

seriously :(

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** kormoc blinks **

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ratbert90:

time to punch a kitten

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sigger_:

xris, should I be running svn on whole system or can I be running just a part. I don't have a "sandbox" computer; just my production computers for the family.

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xris:

ratbert90: you *could* just enable atrpms and call it good

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xris:

sigger_: svn and non-svn don't play together, if that's what you're asking.

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xris:

you don't *have* to run svn, but it's generally a good idea because there have been a lot of changes to how things work.

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sigger_:

ya. oh well. even to run something that's totally separate (myth-MPD interface)

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sigger_:

er, that was a question, actually

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ratbert90:

now what fun would that be?

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ratbert90:

ok

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xris:

sigger_: if you don't need to talk to the backend, all you need to do is add an entry into the theme file

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ratbert90:

the program/kernel driver versions match

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ratbert90:

and yet still no /dev/lirc0 :(

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sigger_:

no need to talk with the back end whatsoever (at the moment)

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xris:

sigger_: sounds more like a separate-app, then.

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sigger_:

but I do need those libs/header files

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xris:

sigger_: do you need it to talk to any part of mythtv?

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xris:

if all you want to do is launch mpd or whatever, then an entry in the theme should be enough.

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xris:

if you want to talk to the db to get the mythmusic files, etc., then yes, you'll need the libs.

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xris:

and then it's just mythtv-devel or mythtv-dev or whatever debian calls it.

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sigger_:

I suppose its separate. ATM its really just a program to look like myth, receive remote control commands, and ask what mpd is playing so it can show it on screen

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sigger_:

some back end communication (playlists, etc) will come later if this works well.

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sigger_:

thanks xris

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xris:

sigger_: why not just use mythmusic?

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sigger_:

I've tried but it just doesn't cut it in a number of ways.

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sigger_:

got 13,000 +/- songs. using a remote control to select is like doing surgery with a butter knife

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xris:

sigger_: that's what playlists are for

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sigger_:

There are a bunch of mpd clients that are better suited for dealing with larger libaries (including one I work on sporadically called ampache)

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ratbert90:

I guess I could build from scratch

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xris:

ratbert90: or use atrpms

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ratbert90:

I think that is what I am using

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xris:

for the kernel modules?

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ratbert90:

???

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xris:

then you should also use his lircd, not the one from extras

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sigger_:

even making playlists with mythmusic was kinda painful.

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xris:

that's why there are other tools.. like mythweb.

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ratbert90:

hrm

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ratbert90:

I will try this

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ratbert90:

I just disabled extras

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xris:

sigger_: anyway, just saying that if you're going to put in the effort to code new stuff, I know that people would appreciate the work on the existing tools

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sigger_:

anywho, if mpd could be controlled by both ampache and myth I will have both "fine" and "gross" control. I've seen other folks have interest as well, so we'll see.

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sigger_:

well this _should_ be easy (famous last words?)

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xris:

or.. mythmusic controlled via....

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sigger_:

I would work on mythmusic uses the proprietary-ish player with thoughts of changing to mfe(?)

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xris:

that sentence made no sense

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sigger_:

ha, sorry

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sigger_:

I looked at controlling mythmusic via its telnet capability, but its severely limited.

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xris:

yup. not really anyone actively maintaining it at the moment.

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xris:

it needs a lot of help.

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sigger_:

that too. the SOC thing didn't really work it out unfortunately

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xris:

none of it did

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sigger_:

tried to reach him, but no luck

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xris:

it's a pity

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sigger_:

ya

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xris:

"him"?

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sigger_:

Jon something or other signed up for a mythmusic project

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xris:

yeah, lack of communication was a big issue with most of the SoC students.

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sigger_:

I figure mpd is very well established and there are many clients for it, so it takes away any music playing code and makes the mythmpd thing just a front end

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xris:

yup, I've heard good things about it.

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xris:

no idea why Thor chose to write his own

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xris:

but then he basically disappeared

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ratbert90:

ok, everything is 100% atrpm

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ratbert90:

kernel driver, lirc program, lirc libraries

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xris:

and reboot? (just in case)

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ratbert90:

will do

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sigger_:

xris, libmyth-0.20-dev sound right?

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xris:

yup

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sigger_:

cool. thanks.

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xris:

though I should warn you that the music db structure has changed dramatically in svn

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sigger_:

ATM, don't need to touch the music db.

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sigger_:

wait I thought noones working on mythmusic?

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xris:

not actively maintained.. doesn't mean people don't poke at it occasionally to optimize things, add stuff like upnp streaming, etc.

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sigger_:

y'know just occurs to me if I were really familiar with mythmusic I would just try to replace its player with mpd

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ratbert90:

still no go

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ratbert90:

:(

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sigger_:

of course, having never programmed with qt, or in c++ that may be a lot to bite to start.

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sigger_:

(but done plenty enough in c so this shouldn't be too hard)

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xris:

ratbert90: sounds like you're missing some config, then.. have you done any configuration?

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ratbert90:

I read somewhere that it makes a diffrence if ivtv is loaded after lirc_i2c. Does this make a diffrence?

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ratbert90:

yes, yes I have

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xris:

ratbert90: yeah, I've heard that, too. no clue, personally, since I haven't run lirc in ages (since I got firewire).

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xris:

sigger_: gbee in #mythtv has been doing the recent db work, although he's in the UK, so I think he's asleep now (or at least afk, since I'm waiting for a reply from him, too)

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ratbert90:

hrm

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ratbert90:

I have lirc_i2c set up in /etc/modprobe.conf

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ratbert90:

but when I boot, it isn't autoloaded

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xris:

you need /etc/lircd.conf

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ratbert90:

I do have that

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sigger_:

k, thanks. perhaps I'll at least make him aware of what I'm doing. never know what ideas pop up.

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xris:

sigger_: I'd love to see mythmusic get improved upon.

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sigger_:

me too. problem is I don't know enough to tackle it myself.

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xris:

that's why I took on mythweb. :)

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ratbert90:

heh

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ratbert90:

now thats interesting

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ratbert90:

a ln -s /dev/lircd /dev/lirc lets me use irw

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ratbert90:

but it doesn't see my remote

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sigger_:

ratbert90, after you run irw, is lircd still running?

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ratbert90:

yep

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ratbert90:

lircd -n

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ratbert90:

irw doesn't crash

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sigger_:

what kind of receiver?

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ratbert90:

a simple pvr 150

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ratbert90:

feisty fawn saw it, but I couldn't get it to KEEP seeing it

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ratbert90:

it was sparadic

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ratbert90:

windows can see it all the time though

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sigger_:

ah, sorry I haven't dealt with one of those

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ratbert90:

so I know the card isn't bad

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sigger_:

on one pc, couldn't see a serial receiver, so I rebuilt lircd and it was fine

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ratbert90:

yeah, I am going to install from source

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ratbert90:

and so begins the great journy of installing dependencies

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ratbert90:

unless there is a nice yum package for build essentials

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cheeseboy:

hey guys.. I'm trying to install the IVTV module under ubuntu edgy.. Is there some docs..

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ratbert90:

there is a great tutorial for edgy

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ratbert90:

I wish this computer could run edgy :(

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cheeseboy:

ratbert90: Do you got a link?

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ratbert90:

there you go

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ratbert90:

it's still very relevant

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ratbert90:

oh god, I feel like I am 12 years ago

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ratbert90:

trying all diffrent types of distros :D

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sohum:

hi, I'm looking to get a mythtv setup working, but I'm a bit unclear on the concepts.

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sohum:

i have a) a fast, large-hd'd (320GB) desktop

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prestige:

what's the best thing to do to fix a dvd that won't rip? I bought the prestige today and it's in perfect shape.

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sohum:

a) is called h2g2v2 and runs ubuntu 7.04 testing

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sohum:

b) an old dell laptop running ubuntu 7.04 testing, called megadodocorb (mdc)

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sohum:

and c) an ibm thinkpad running windows xp

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sohum:

called fordprefect

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sohum:

as I understand it, h2g2v2 should have the frontend and backedn on it, while the others would require merly the frontend

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sohum:

so where is the TV involved in all of this?

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sohum:

and how much space does h2g2v2 need?

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sohum:

and what is the minimum wireless speed I need to maintain for fordprefect to be able to grab videos?

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sohum:

(fp is wified, mdc is wired)

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sohum:

and what is the special hardware required on h2g2v2? I think I have a videocard with TVout on it, but it's not in the living room

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kormoc:

sohum, the tv is optional, you can have one of the computers use the tv as a monitor and output on it, or not

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sohum:

+kormoc: Ah, I see

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kormoc:

sohum, you do need a caputre card of some sort, and with wifi, it all depends on the quality video you want

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kormoc:

sohum, as well as the quality of your network

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sohum:

and my final question is whether or not mythtv stuff can be cahced for non-networked play?

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sohum:

(for mdc)

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kormoc:

you can export it via, say nuvexport, or you can use a util like mythrename.pl (or similar) and copy the videos over

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GreyFoxx:

No, you can m,anually copy stuff, but myth itself wont do it for you

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sohum:

+kormoc: any baseline estimates for wifi speed?

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kormoc:

sohum, usually G is fine for SD stuff, there's been a few random people claiming B works, but most don't seem to agree

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cheeseboy:

I wish I knew this 2 hours ago. :)

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sohum:

+kormoc: ok, that might be an issue

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sohum:

ok, so hd space required? any partitioning tips for this, btw?

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kormoc:

sohum, as much as you want to give it. the more you give it, the more you can store

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kormoc:

sohum, personally, I have a 200 gb drive for my setup and it holds enough recordings

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sohum:

ok. does mtv support eporting to, say, dvd?

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kormoc:

mytharchive

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sohum:

s/eport/export

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sohum:

ok

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kormoc:

can do menus and all that jazz

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sohum:

cool

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sohum:

what about on-the-fly quality lowering for a B network?

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xris:

sohum: myth doesn't do on-the-fly transcoding.

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sohum:

+xris: not even to lower the quality of the stream?

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GreyFoxx:

not at all

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GreyFoxx:

If you want something like that you need to use VLC

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xris:

for now, anyway.

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GreyFoxx:

myth will transcode a recording, but not on the fly

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xris:

and even then, you'd likely need a pretty nice processor to do stuff in realtime

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GreyFoxx:

and as xris mentions that might change, but as of now, it's not an option

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sohum:

so are the video files easily accessible outside of mythtv?

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GreyFoxx:

sohum: If you configure your system to let them be

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kormoc:

sohum, they are stored on the drive as normal files, up to you to do the rest

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xris:

sohum: accessible, sure, but "readable" depends on the kind of tv tuner you have.

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sohum:

named sensibly in sensible directories...?

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sohum:

xris: oooh. how does that work?

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kormoc:

sohum, not by default, you can use a util like I previously mentioned to set that up (mythrename.pl is quite common)

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GreyFoxx:

sohum: by default all recordings are in a single directory unless you are running SVN and use storage groups

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sohum:

ok

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xris:

sohum: there are handy scripts to rename files, or create symlinks, etc.

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sohum:

so the fileformat is dependent on the tuner?

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sohum:

xris: cool

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GreyFoxx:

sohum: Any framegrabber/bttv based card will be encoded to rtjpeg or mpeg4 and stored in a .nuv container

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kormoc:

sohum, yes. Framegrabber cards can capture in two modes (in myth) rtjpeg or mpeg-4, in a nuv container. not everything can read the nuv container format

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xris:

sohum: the software encoder puts files in a fairly nonstandard container format.

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GreyFoxx:

any HDTV/QAM/DVB/PVR card recording are mpeg2 in .mpg files

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xris:

hardware encoders are pretty much all mpg

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sohum:

if vlc can read it, it's not really an issue...

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kormoc:

sohum, also keep in mind, framegrabber cards use the cpu to encode, and it can eat up a lot of cpu power

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xris:

sohum: only mythtv can with 100% accuracy

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sohum:

so for maximum compatibility don't get a framegrabber

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GreyFoxx:

sohum: Correct

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sohum:

and what sould I look for when buying a card?

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GreyFoxx:

What are you recording? Analog cable ?

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sohum:

i'm not really sure...

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GreyFoxx:

It would help to define that first :)

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sohum:

we have one signal that comes from an antenna on the roof

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GreyFoxx:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

Standard definition tv or HDTV ?

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sohum:

we have a pay signal that comes down and is decoded by their box

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sohum:

the local channels are sd, afaik

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sohum:

(i live in australia, btw)

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GreyFoxx:

If it's DVB which is common there you will need a DVB card, but I'm not one to really comment on what is best for your area

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sohum:

it does have a card in it...

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xris:

sohum: what country?

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sohum:

australia, queensland, gold coast

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sohum:

oh, GreyFoxx meant the tuner card. right.

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xris:

sohum: yes.

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xris:

linuxtv has some lists about which cards are best supported under linux

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sohum:

ok

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sohum:

ok, so research what signal is coming, and get a tuner that supports it which isn't a framebuffer

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sohum:

any other random tips?

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xris:

if you use an antenna, it's dvb-t

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sohum:

ok

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sigger_:

argh can't get the hello plugin to work

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xris:

logitech harmony remote: http://www.woot.com/

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opello:

heh yeah :)

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opello:

good deal too

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xris:

refurb

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opello:

yeah :/ but that's not always bad

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xris:

yeah

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xris:

I already have a good remote, though.

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xris:

it's the effort to keep lirc up to date that prevents it from working. heh

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opello:

heh

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mike3_:

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onewheelskyward:

You know, myth is really nice to come home to. No matter what you see out there, it always has your favorite shows queued up and waiting.

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LLyric:

Although the settop box can feed 1080i perfectly, my mythbox can't .... I've got so frusted with that, you wouldn't believe.

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onewheelskyward:

I hear that, hjohnson. Unfortunately, all of the good ones are $1000+.

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juski:

morning

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daviey:

mornin'

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juski:

seems my transition to xfs has speeded up mythweb among other things

[08:01:59]

daviey:

good 'o

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daviey:

what were u using before, ext3?

[08:02:13]

juski:

aye

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daviey:

did you run out of inodes?

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juski:

gonna change my media shares over to xfs now

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juski:

inodes?

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juski:

hey I don't know how fs work – I just use em :)

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juski:

how would I have known if I'd ran out of inodes then?

[08:03:31]

edge:

juski, dh -i

[08:03:33]

daviey:

oh it whines at you

[08:03:49]

daviey:

when i was using an early knoppmyth version it was regular

[08:03:57]

daviey:

doesn't like deleting large files

[08:03:57]

juski:

I tend not to read my logs unless something is very up

[08:04:20]

daviey:

oh no, it refused to boot IIRC

[08:05:11]

juski:

after testing that sata port multiplier board at work during the week my trust of sata is growing

[08:05:45]

daviey:

SATA?!?! I just *trust* IDE

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daviey:

Took me this long to fully get off SCSI

[08:06:17]

juski:

yeah buy IDE is er... limited in that most boards only have two ports

[08:06:54]

edge:

does ne body have a suggestion to the kind of hardware (pci based) cable tuner i should get?

[08:07:16]

juski:

I might need to shelve my plans for a fancy frontend & opt to upgrade the backend hardware instead

[08:07:22]

juski:

edge: depends what you're after

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juski:

if you're in the UK and just want to watch/record TV I'd suggest you buy a dvb-t tuner or 2

[08:08:01]

edge:

juski, after eh , recording tv. only problems is i have a cable box , and im not sure if this is gonna be a reasonable solution to the problem, and im in the us

[08:08:22]

juski:

you wanna record a cable box? well I recommend nothing but the pvr150 from Hauppauge

[08:08:27]

daviey:

do you have firewire on the cable box?

[08:08:59]

juski:

if you have firewire, you can record HDTV direct from the cable box – no tuner cards needed

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daviey:

thats the winner, but only if a HDTV box

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daviey:

*but* as i understand it; in the US your entitled to firewire on your box (if you have HDTV)

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edge:

daviey, eh the cable box is some moto piece of crap, it has a ethernet ports on it In and Eth

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juski:

the limitation with that is that a) not all cable companies enable firewire on their boxes – meaning you might have to fight them a little to get it enabled (which you're legally entitled to, FYI) or b) the only channels available unencrippled might be the ones you'd get over the air anyway

[08:11:28]

juski:

but if you just want to record standard def. cable TV from your box, go for the pvr150 which comes with an IR blaster for changing channels – unless the cable box has a serial port you'd be able to use to change channels on it

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edge:

is it possable to get the myth box to control the cable box, , like tell it to change the chan to the one i wish it to record? at a certain time then leavei t alone during other times of the day

[08:12:02]

edge:

juski, i seen a port called a "IR Blaster" on the back of Teh cable box

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juski:

if you want to be able to use the cable box as you normally would I'd suggest you get another cable box & dedicate that to mtythv use

[08:12:55]

juski:

or get another anyway & set it up – being able to watch/record 2 different things at once is a big boon believe me

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daviey:

wow i didn't know the pvr150 had a built in irblaster!

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juski:

some pvr150 models come with an IR blaster

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edge:

i'm not 100% sure i understand my cable completely either, see if i have it on chan 3, the upstairs remote will change the chan, if i have it on chan 13, the downstairs remote can only handle it , i think the same box runs two chans, with what ever chan the remote requests, from ne tv in the house i can tune to the chan and watch what that remotes is watching

[08:14:58]

juski:

if the cable box has a serial port though – I'd advise you to use that instead for faster, more reliable channel changing

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juski:

edge: the *upstairs* remote?

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juski:

if you only have the one cable box it sounds to me like somebody has just taken the feed from the downstairs box, led it upstairs & used a remote control 'repeater'

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** juski starts to rsync his media dirs **

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edge:

juski, i have two remotes, for this cable box, one thats sits in my upstairs and one with me down here, if i change the chan from the upstairs it only effects chan 3, (the chan i pick is presented to me over that chan) , if u use the downstairs remote the chan i'v selected is presented over chan 13

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juski:

so how does the cable signal on chan 3 get upstairs?

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edge:

all connected together

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juski:

so let's get this straight...

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edge:

it gets split from the cable box, to a 3 way (1 in 3 out) and one goes to a room upstairs

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juski:

if you change channels downstairs, the feed upstairs changes channel too – and vice-versa, right?

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edge:

yes and no

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juski:

just.. I've never heard of a cable box that can feed two different things at the same time

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juski:

.. with different tv channels

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edge:

if you set the upstairs tv and the downstairs tv both to the chan 3 , and the upstairs remote starts flying chans, they will both see the SAME content, if the downstarts pushes a button nothing happens as its not on chan 13

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juski:

ah right

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edge:

if the downstairs then moves to 13 his choices are then seen

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juski:

sounds like there's a box upstairs relaying the remote signals back to the cable box

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edge:

the original box , theres no LOS to it, its like under a bunch of trash , idk if it uses some sort of high gain or what

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juski:

anyway -for best results with your PVR150, you wouldn't be *tuning* to the cable box at all – svideo would give you best results

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edge:

where can i get a pvr 150

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juski:

er... computer shops

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juski:

or online

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edge:

no vendor in specific

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juski:

the pvr150 card is only made by Hauppauge

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edge:

ship to America ?

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juski:

lol

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juski:

I can tell you've got a lot of reading ahead of you :)

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juski:

the pvr150 card is commonly available in America

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edge:

ah will this sufice they have more than 1 with such description http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116625

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juski:

that one doesn't come with an IR blaster

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edge:

juski, it doesn't i turned it on all sides i don't see one

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juski:

oh and I don't mean to be insulting but I *strongly* recommend you read as much documentation about mythtv as possible before you even download it. then if there's stuff you don't understand in the docs, come here & ask questions. too many people rush into stuff, and get into a paddy when things won't work because they didn't do their research first

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edge:

will do , thats why im here looking for cards long b4 i download and realize the card isn't compatable, not saying i couldn't get drivers and such to work im pretty fluit in linux , but i don't wanna screw with it lol

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juski:

well, getting a PVR150 card to work in linux isn't that difficult

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juski:

the main advantage being that your CPU isn't used to encode recorded video ;)

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juski:

as opposed to say, using a different kind of tuner (e.g. ATI TV wonder) which would make your CPU do all the work recording shows

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juski:

if you plan to connect your mythtv system to a TV, and the TV only has composite or svideo inputs you're going to need a VGA card which has a TV output. for that I only recommend Nvidia card

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juski:

btw is there a linux distro you feel comfortable with using?

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daviey:

juski, expect a mythbuntu release soon ;)

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juski:

mythbuntu?

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daviey:

yep

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juski:

how are you gonna get around some of the licencing issues? mp3, dvd playback etc?

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daviey:

how does knoppmyth?

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daviey:

'example' script

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juski:

heh

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daviey:

maybe the same as feisty – have a warning – "This may be illegal in your country"

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juski:

I guess the main question I'd have is.. does it have anything to do with ubuntu itself?

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daviey:

from the ubuntu repo

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daviey:

the feisty packages are pretty good

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juski:

or is it just a user/fan thing?

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daviey:

pretty much

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juski:

which?

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daviey:

oh, yes unoffical at this stage

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daviey:

me and superm1 are doing it atm

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daviey:

https://launchpad.net/mythbuntu

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juski:

isn't this kind of side-stepping the 'make mythtv rock on ubuntu' project?

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daviey:

suppose

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juski:

I'm not criticising – just wondering how it'll be received officially since the original intent was to make myth as easy/good as possible in package form...

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daviey:

I wanted to use the existing ubuntu livecd, an install a custom image – as a way of passively advertising ubuntu

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juski:

for all I criticise ubunut sometimes I think it's about the best desktop distro there is

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daviey:

Oh the packages are very easy. But having a ubuntu full desktop is bloat

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juski:

a lot of the issues with ubuntu & mythtv have been inherited directly from debian

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daviey:

with the feisty packages most seem fixed now

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daviey:

the only problem left is lirc on the new kernel – but thats being worked on

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daviey:

anyway, i need to dash

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daviey:

catch you later

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juski:

aye – sounds cool anyway :)

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Machtin:

hi

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juski:

hey Machtin

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Machtin:

:)

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Machtin:

i'm just trying to set up my mythtv.. i got a nexus-s rev 2.1

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Machtin:

what would i have to set in the mythtv-setup to make it recognize my card?

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juski:

set the capture card type to DVB

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juski:

have you tested the card & verified it works ok in linux?

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Machtin:

i can use it via kaffeine

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juski:

good :)

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juski:

so that's a 'yes' then

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Machtin:

:)

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juski:

Machtin: yup

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Machtin:

fine.. ah, it says diseq is unconnected

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Machtin:

hm, there are wikis.. though not very.. hm.. detailed

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juski:

somebody had that problem the other day but I can't remember what the fix was

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Machtin:

well i just need to set it i guess

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juski:

it had something to do with adding a single LNB to the disecq setup

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Machtin:

do i want "Switch"?

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Machtin:

cause i got a multiswitch

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Machtin:

hmm

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juski:

if you got one, you need to say that I think

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juski:

why is it that whenever we get dvb-s questions here there's never anybody around who knows dvb-s inside out?

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Machtin:

kay.. now i can set that Disecq stuff

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Machtin:

hehe :)

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Machtin:

i wonder why dvb-s isn't used here as much then.. it's pretty nice i guess :o

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juski:

btw if I'm no use here you could try in #mythtv-de – you might not get an answer right away but be patient

[09:54:39]

Machtin:

well.. maybe that's just because i'm german.. satellite's free here.

[09:54:56]

Machtin:

you are until now :)

[09:55:00]

Machtin:

but thanks

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laga:

re

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juski:

morning laga

[09:55:30]

Machtin:

welcome back ;)

[09:55:53]

juski:

laga: I got my recordings back where they should be & all seems to be well. though I'm suspicious of my hda drive

[09:56:03]

Machtin:

DiseqC or DiseqC (Uncommited)?

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juski:

I might have to flex my credit card soon

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laga:

juski: get the "ultimate boot cd" and run that hdd check utility provided by the manufacturer

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juski:

laga: done, but I never trust those things – the manufacturers utils

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laga:

ah, good

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juski:

maybe I could umm.. borrow a 750GB hdd from somwehere

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Machtin:

:o

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laga:

i ordered those LED lamps last night. i hope i'll be saving some power soon :)

[09:57:39]

juski:

Machtin: I don't know what you need to do there. laga.. any ideas?

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Machtin:

750's quite a lot :)

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juski:

room to store more stuff :)

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laga:

Machtin: you need to set the diseqc type

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juski:

I need space to breathe more than anything else

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Machtin:

laga: uh? you mean switch-type?

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Machtin:

because i can select 'DISEqC' and 'DISEqC (uncommitted)

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laga:

Machtin: no, there's a button called "diseqc" somewhere. there, you need to set something to something even if you don't use the diseqc stuff

[09:59:36]

Machtin:

hm, i do

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Machtin:

let me check

[10:00:08]

Machtin:

maybe that comes later lage, on that page there's none.. what should i set then? normal or uncommitted?

[10:00:43]

juski:

laga: I was just saying earlier that it's a pity no dvb-s user has made a good page on the wiki about it

[10:00:44]

laga:

i don't know, i'm not a dvb-s users. have you read hamsta's "Ubuntu" article on mythwiki.de?

[10:00:49]

laga:

juski: yep :/

[10:01:15]

laga:

the dvb stuff isn't exactly easy to set up. although it's doable since it doesn't involve mythfilldatabase ;)

[10:01:20]

Machtin:

haven't.. and though ubuntu is some kind of debian.. i don't trust that

[10:01:45]

juski:

howtos for different distros often have very useful information though!

[10:02:10]

Machtin:

i'll just try it with the normal thing :)

[10:02:16]

Machtin:

and now he wants some LNB-info

[10:02:18]

laga:

yep.

[10:02:25]

Machtin:

i'll get my dad to tell me ;)

[10:02:25]

laga:

Machtin: read that article, it's all in there.

[10:02:26]

Machtin:

brb

[10:02:32]

juski:

I'm totally against having lots of info for mythtv spread all over the internet

[10:02:49]

juski:

read MY blog! "no, read MY blog!" etc

[10:03:14]

juski:

anyhow laga you'll never guess what I'm doing now

[10:03:37]

juski:

I had a user comment that the video list view in blootube-wide er.. wasn't styled the same as the other pages

[10:03:38]

laga:

juski: i really don't know. you're not yelling at people so the end must be nigh

[10:03:52]

juski:

so I'm restyling it

[10:04:14]

juski:

I'm sure this is just a phase I'm going thru & I'll go back to yelling soon

[10:04:30]

laga:

yes

[10:04:39]

laga:

LSD in the water supply or something

[10:05:07]

juski:

bitching about my job helps a lot

[10:05:35]

laga:

heh

[10:05:52]

laga:

i'll work on minimyth some more today.

[10:07:10]

juski:

it's almost there though isn't it?

[10:07:29]

laga:

yes

[10:07:43]

laga:

i'll adapt things to pablo's liking.

[10:08:26]

juski:

now I feel less hard up I'm thinking again about buying some modding materials to add a dvd drive to one of my s100s

[10:08:55]

laga:

what about a nice external one?

[10:08:57]

juski:

I think I might make a former out of wood & try some moulding

[10:09:04]

juski:

external == messy :)

[10:09:05]

laga:

sounds fun & messy

[10:09:05]

Machtin:

hmmmhh

[10:09:49]

juski:

actually there'd be nothing wrong with making a wooden front at all – painted right it could look good

[10:10:02]

juski:

but it's a bit low-tech :-P

[10:10:13]

laga:

the front of mine is scratched :/

[10:10:24]

juski:

mine was scratched so I repainted it

[10:11:07]

Machtin:

2007-03–10 11:09:59.530 DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 0 <- Hmhh?

[10:11:37]

laga:

juski: i've had bad experiences with painting plastic. i got some nice bubbles on my old computer case :/

[10:11:49]

laga:

Machtin: have you read that ubuntu article?

[10:11:53]

juski:

laga: it's all about the preparation

[10:12:00]

laga:

juski: true.

[10:12:14]

Machtin:

umm.. no

[10:12:16]

juski:

it's a damn shame that all those cheap DVD players out there don't use IDE drives

[10:12:17]

Machtin:

fine fine, i'll do

[10:12:25]

juski:

Machtin: you should, if laga says so

[10:12:29]

laga:

yeah

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laga:

listen to me!!11 ;)

[10:12:42]

Machtin:

!!11cos(0)

[10:12:45]

Machtin:

where was it?

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laga:

it's not like i'm telling you to read it because it's a waste of time ;)

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laga:

Machtin: http://www.mythwiki.de/index.php?title=Ubuntu

[10:13:19]

laga:

scroll down to "Das Setup"

[10:13:24]

Machtin:

okay

[10:16:34]

laga:

juski: i'd also like to update the channel faq to include some basic hints how people can get a clue.

[10:16:56]

laga:

along with an addition that explains why we shouldn't yell at the clueless.

[10:17:20]

laga:

;)

[10:18:58]

juski:

jees you're taking that devil's advocate stuff seriously!

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juski:

;)

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Machtin:

laga: thanksie :)

[10:20:08]

Machtin:

you gave me back trust in wikis ;)

[10:20:14]

laga:

juski: it's useful to get a complete overview of a problem. you've got to see both sides

[10:20:24]

laga:

Machtin: yeah, it's the MYTHwiki ;)

[10:21:51]

juski:

.de

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laga:

that's a bonus as well

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Machtin:

.de's a bonus?

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laga:

heh, j/k ;)

[10:24:18]

juski:

so laga will that mean I have to be a good boy from now on? you're no fun, you know that

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DjMadness:

Hi, each time i switch channel i am required to change the active channel on my mixer (from video to line2 and then back to video again) for my tv card. this is for livetv i am speaking about. (i aint gone into recording yet) anyone that could explain whats going on here ?

[10:25:09]

Machtin:

hmm.

[10:25:21]

Machtin:

mythtv says that it can't connect to the master-backend

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laga:

juski: sometimes ;) it's meant as an orientation help for newcomers. and to remind other people that freindliness doesn't hurt.

[10:26:35]

laga:

juski: however, it'll still be based "if you are completely clueless, please go away" principle ;)

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rsdvd:

morning laga/Juski!

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laga:

hi rsdvd

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juski:

morny rsdvd

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rsdvd:

I am missing anything interesting?

[10:27:40]

juski:

just talking about updating the channel FAQ

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rsdvd:

there's a channel FAQ :-)

[10:28:01]

juski:

!slap

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rsdvd:

tbh – I have never read it

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kormoc:

at times, I think it's a good idea to put a keyword on the channel that is found at the end of the channel FAQ, so you need to read it to be allowed in...

[10:29:04]

rsdvd:

:-) and now I do – the format it screwed up

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juski:

oo I'm glad that user pointed the list view thing out to me,it's gonna look SO much better

[10:29:33]

rsdvd:

lol – I thought you did not care cause you never use it

[10:30:03]

juski:

yeah well – think about it. if nobody uses me themes, then what's my primary motivation for making em?

[10:30:20]

laga:

that's the spirit

[10:30:35]

juski:

I mean what would be the POINT in slaving away, testing stuff & maintaining it and having a webshite?

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rsdvd:

I thought your primary motivation was you wanted them for yourself

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juski:

my primary motivation was that every other theme sucked IMHO

[10:31:22]

juski:

my motivation for releasing em was.. er.. well they're done so why not

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juski:

anyway I don't mind the occasional request, asked the right way

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rsdvd:

exactly – asked the right way

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** kormoc bows to the great juski and offers up a lamb to gain favor **

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laga:

kormoc: lol :)

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juski:

heheh

[10:32:58]

juski:

"it's great but..." just doesn't cut it

[10:33:12]

laga:

"it's great but it completely sucks"

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rsdvd:

I only wish I wan artistic enough to do my own – but I know that would be crap

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juski:

I'm not really that artistic tbh

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juski:

I mean I can't *really* draw

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kormoc:

If I did a theme, it'd look like my website... and no one wants that

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rsdvd:

artisitc can mean many things – you can use a graphics package and produce nice icons etc

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juski:

though my vector scratchings have been picking up a lot

[10:34:57]

juski:

I'm thinking about dumping projectgrayhem's watermarks & changing them to neon-wide's

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juski:

with the necessary colour changes of course

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Machtin:

why can't i connect to the master-backend >.<

[10:35:24]

juski:

easier maintenance for me!

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dustybin:

juski: how did the rsync transfer go?

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juski:

Machtin: probably because it isn't running

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Machtin:

juski: i think it is

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juski:

dustybin: fine. doing my meeja shares now :)

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dustybin:

aye ok

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Machtin:

mythbackend already running, use restart instead. <- when i use the init.d-start-script

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dustybin:

never heard of meeja, only samba

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kormoc:

Machtin, that doesn't mean much... ps ax | grep mythbackend

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juski:

meeja – yoof pronunciation of 'media' ;)

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juski:

innit!

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dustybin:

hehehe

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dustybin:

chavcore!

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Machtin:

root 25154 0.0 0.0 2876 776 pts/4 S+ 11:36 0:00 grep mythbackend < kormoc

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kormoc:

Machtin, that's the only output?

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juski:

Machtin: so it's not running. it may once have run

[10:37:17]

Machtin:

err sorry

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juski:

hmm that gives me an idea

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Machtin:

25172 pts/4 S+ 0:00 grep mythbackend <- that's the correct one, i typed 'aux'

[10:37:31]

Machtin:

but yes, it's the only one

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kormoc:

then yes, it's not running

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juski:

the first time mythbackend is run should always be as the user it'll run as, in a terminal so a user can spot any errors IMHO

[10:37:59]

kormoc:

init.d script use blah.pid files to detect if things are running or not, if it crashes, it doesn't always know

[10:38:15]

Machtin:

umm. so how to start it then? :o

[10:38:15]

juski:

something I always do – because most if not all init scripts dont have logging enabled by default

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kormoc:

Machtin, by doing what it said, use restart rather then start

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juski:

as the 'mythtv' user, run mythbackend from a terminal

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kormoc:

true enough

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juski:

something is likely wrong which is why it's not running anymore

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juski:

for example it can't write to the recordings directory, or the video source / channels don't exist

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Machtin:

Session management error: Could not open network socket <-hmhh?

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dustybin:

juski: permissions problem?

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juski:

dustybin: yeah – I was listing possible reasons why Machtin's backend stops running

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dustybin:

my whole system stopped running when the disk was full

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juski:

I accidentally got / to fill up once

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juski:

jesus you never wanna do that

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juski:

not with mysql

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Machtin:

hmmh

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dustybin:

yep, i rebooted and the dmesg said something about mysql being full

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dustybin:

lots of red warnings

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juski:

Machtin: as the user 'mythtv' run mythbackend from a terminal

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dustybin:

today i might implement that automysql script

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dustybin:

Encoder 1 is local on debian and is watching Live TV: 'Popworld' on Channel 4. This recording will end at 11:20 AM.

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dustybin:

mmm i like that husky voiced presenter in popworld

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juski:

I hope you don't mean June Sarpong

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juski:

but then there's no accounting for taste :-P

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Machtin:

http://pastebin.ca/388880 juski

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dustybin:

lol no Alexa Chung

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juski:

it's amazing. you've got the Ubuntu database error despite not using Ubuntu :)

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dustybin:

lolololololLOL

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Machtin:

O.o

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dustybin:

LOL

[10:49:04]

Machtin:

Nice.

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juski:

Machtin: did you create the mythconverg database? is there a 'mythtv' mysql user?

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juski:

actually you ran mythtv-setup

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juski:

which user did you run mythtv-setup as?

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Machtin:

as martin

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Machtin:

and mysql-access for mythtv is the user 'root' in mysql

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DjMadness:

Every time i switch channel in "livetv" mode i loose sound, untill i go to my mixer and switch audio channel, anyone got an idea to where the source of this problem is ?

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dustybin:

Machtin, add a new user and use that instead, u shouldnt really be using root to access the database

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juski:

DjMadness: yeah – you've set mythtv to record from the wrong audio channel

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Machtin:

hmh

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Machtin:

a new mysql-user named "mythtv" for example?

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dustybin:

yep

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Machtin:

okay :)

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dustybin:

and assign that mythtv user to read the mythconverg database

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DjMadness:

juski, i aint recording anything, but when i change channel (or start mythtv) i need to go to kmix and change the mixer input from video to another and back to video

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Machtin:

i haven't got any clue how to do that, but i'll find out

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dustybin:

Machtin: a easy way to do it is to install phpmyadmin

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dustybin:

but there are lots of wikis on how to do it the mysql command prompt way

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juski:

DjMadness: you ARE recording stuff in livetv mode. mythtv records EVERYTHING

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Machtin:

dustybin: got that, how was that address for the browser?

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dustybin:

sorry?

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juski:

DjMadness: make sure that the mixer recording setup is set to record from the audio input your tv tuner is plugged into

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Machtin:

hmm, you have to use phpmyadmin via a browser, don't you?

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juski:

the 'playback' channel for that audio input should always be muted

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Machtin:

but 127.0.0.1 won't work to connect to the phpmyadmin

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juski:

127.0.0.1/phpmyadmin/ ?

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Machtin:

=)

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Machtin:

thanks

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dustybin:

Machtin, u need apache installed first then phpmyadmin will install itself inside it

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dustybin:

then u should be able to access apache locally

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juski:

gah! I fucking hate software encoders! I wish they would all just vanish into thin air. don't use them, people – they're *evil*

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Machtin:

dustybin: already workin' thanks :)

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juski:

harware encoders / dvb / firewire / iptv == nice

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juski:

DjMadness: see the troubleshooting section of the mythtv docs (remember them?) – there's a section dedicated to audio problems

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juski:

hmm tell you something about rsync.. doesn't seem to clog up the box like plain ole cp does

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Machtin:

okay, got it

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Machtin:

as whom shall i run mythtv-setup then?

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daviey:

ideally user 'mythtv'

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Machtin:

kay

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juski:

yay all done. just need to update blootubelite-wide & make some furballs

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Machtin:

that's done then.

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daviey:

hmm i might make furball and alas for tar :P

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juski:

or even an alias

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Machtin:

agh.

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juski:

mmm alias <8

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unbalanced:

sweet ... a populated channel

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juski:

quick! everybody leave!

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unbalanced:

ah...nooooo!

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juski:

DjMadness: ahh

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juski:

DjMadness: so it's the *playback* of audio which is muting when you change channels?

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unbalanced:

noob question: how can i look and see what options my kernel was compiled with on a running system?

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DjMadness:

its the tv card doing something, ill explain what i need to do each time to get audio. i start kmix, go to my tv card, and switch witch channel to record from (i am using video, switch to line2 and back to video)

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DjMadness:

its as if the "video" part dont exist after channel switch, and need to "activate" it again

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Machtin:

and as whom shall i restart the master-backend now?

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mike3_:

root

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juski:

DjMadness: sounds a bit messy, like a driver issue or something. I don't think tuner audio capture devices normally have more than 1 input

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Machtin:

that doesn't work.. woaah

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Machtin:

:/

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juski:

DjMadness: maybe try asking in #v4l

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DjMadness:

ill give it a try :)

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DjMadness:

just thought it was mythtv related, since it only happens in mythtv

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juski:

sounds like you know what you're doing anyway

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juski:

DjMadness: it might be, but at the same time might not be

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juski:

I dunno if ordinary tv apps bother with dma audio on tuners

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DjMadness:

naa on tvtime i need to use a wrapper to get the audio

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juski:

at a push you might be able to work around the problem by making a 'channel change' script which doesn't do anything but set the audio capture paths

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juski:

svn commit

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juski:

doh!

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DjMadness:

that could however be quite a nice idea :)

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Machtin:

so then, how to add a channels.conf to mythtv?

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juski:

Machtin: you should scan for channels within mythtv-setup

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juski:

refer to the guide laga pointed to earlier

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Machtin:

juski: that doesn't work :/

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juski:

if you import a channels.conf into mythtv, the EPG you get over the satellite streams will not work

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Machtin:

hm.

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juski:

scanning dvb-s in mythtv successfully relies on you giving it the correct information

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Machtin:

but.. it doesn't work O.o

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juski:

transponder information

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Machtin:

maybe i do something wrong.. i try it via mythtv-setup, and scan there

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juski:

I'm feeling brave. I think I'll announce the blootube updates on the -users list & mention neon-wide while I'm at it

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Ribs:

updates?

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Machtin:

how to stop the backend?

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Ribs:

/etc/init.d/mythtvbackend stop

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Ribs:

or whatever the script is on your system

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unbalanced:

anyone using nvidia 6150 onboard video and getting good results w/ HD?

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juski:

Ribs: yes, updates :)

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juski:

a theme is never finished

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Ribs:

heh

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unbalanced:

trying to troubleshoot periodic stuttering and high cpu use ... been at it for a while w/ no joy

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Ribs:

a artist should know when to say he is finished :P

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juski:

Ribs: tell that to the people who change the source code of mythtv then

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juski:

;)

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Ribs:

heh

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juski:

oo new theme elements.. I could kill every time that happens

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Machtin:

well, if i still want to import a channels.conf, what to do?

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juski:

mythtv-setup has a thing for that in the channel editor page IIRC

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Machtin:

mhh

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Machtin:

no.

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** Ribs found that angry german kid mythtv video today **

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Ribs:

oh damn, that was funny

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laga:

it's also true. ;)

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Machtin:

well,, i guess he likes unreal tournament :)

[11:47:47]

Ribs:

laga, indeed. I did see parts of me in that

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juski:

ok y'all – www.juski.co.uk is updated

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Ribs:

I was scared, very scared.

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juski:

be afraid. be very afraid :)

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juski:

time to rsync my music collection... big wait ahead

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Machtin:

errm

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kormoc:

juski, for lots of smaller files --size-only can spead it up quite a bit

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kormoc:

if you can be sure that the files are good on the receiving end

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juski:

I'll stick to this way I think. don't wanna lose owt

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juski:

arghhh.. index.html is brokey

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juski:

all fixed

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juski:

morning gbee

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gbee:

monring

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Machtin:

*sigh*

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juski:

Machtin: looks like that page should tell you all you need to know, but maybe you need help in #mythtv-de – more chance of meeting a dvb-s user there I think

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Machtin:

juski: i got it :)

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Machtin:

the backend was running.. that was the problem

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Machtin:

i had to kill it.. the init.d didn't find it

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gbee:

I need to build a gentler playlist, it's too early for loud music

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laga:

naw

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stuarta:

afternoon all

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gbee:

ji

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stuarta:

:)

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gbee:

think I should go back to bed

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stuarta:

late one?

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gbee:

yeah

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stuarta:

ah well... sure you'll survive...

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dustybin:

jeeze, the beginning of 'Terminator' :-S

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stuarta:

that's evil...

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juski:

skynet? well at leats Murdoch has sod all to do with it for now :)

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juski:

afternoon stuarta

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stuarta:

i'm sure he'll find a way to get his grubby mits on it.

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stuarta:

afternoon juski

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laga:

wtf is the RAF? some communist terror group?

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juski:

royal air force

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laga:

ah.

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laga:

;)

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juski:

Machtin: so when you ran mythtv-setup & it warned you about the backend being still running – was that not a clue? ;)

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juski:

anyway you know now – no harm done

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juski:

!seen Finntux

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MythLogBot:

Finntux was last seen 15 hours 40 minutes 23 seconds ago

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laga:

juski: people can have booze without a reason, sheesh

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juski:

it's been so long since I had a good booze I've forgotten you don't need an excuse

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juski:

irsend '1' sleep 1 irsend '2' sleep 1 ...

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juski:

woo I found somewhere to buy liquid plastic from

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gbee:

wouldn't dream of using it for watching LiveTV

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juski:

ouchy! expensive as hell!

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juski:

but ding! revelation strikes me... making a hollow front panel for a STB form PC isn't really all that dissimilar from making a model boat hull is it?

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gbee:

fibreglass?

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juski:

yeah

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gbee:

hmm, PVR-150s aren't that cheap, well more expensive than a Nova-T and in fact the non-OEM versions are more expensive than the Nova-T 500

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juski:

gbee: if you don't mind having a serial-based IR blaster you can pick up a pvr150 for less than Â£40

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juski:

gbee: is your NTL box a Pace one?

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gbee:

Samsung

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juski:

ahh the samsung is plain ole RC5

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Machtin:

juski: hehe, that was the clue that gave me that idea

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Machtin:

but i first ignored it

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DjMadness:

Is there any example script somewhere for switching channels ? (i need mythtv to run a script each time i switch channel, due to some sound issues)

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laga:

DjMadness look at the contrib/ directory

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laga:

inside the mythtv source tarball

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juski:

DjMadness: if the audio device on the tuner has a mixer (as such) you should be able to use amixer

[13:02:06]

DjMadness:

juski, cant use alsa :( i get jitty sound, but ive made a aumix script to do the job

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juski:

DjMadness: you don't need the script to take parameters in your case. you just make an executable file (called say audio.sh) with the command to swap audio channels inside it

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DjMadness:

laga, thanks, ill dl the source

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juski:

remember to put 'exit 0' at the end of the script

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unbalanced:

have any of you looked at that HD copy of Elephant's Dream that is sometimes referenced as a good test file for video performance?

[13:02:47]

DjMadness:

juski, thanks for the tip :)

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laga:

juski: umm, will mythbackend still change the channels using v4l calls if it's configured to use a channel changer script?

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laga:

DjMadness: http://svn.mythtv.org

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juski:

laga: er... I think so

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laga:

DjMadness: you can browse th source there online

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laga:

juski: i don't think so, but i've never tried it. it wouldn't make sense IMHO.

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laga:

why should it still change channels when the script is actually supposed to do that?

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juski:

hahaha I hadn't thought of that possibility

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DjMadness:

laga, now thats much better :) thx

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laga:

jochen rocks.

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juski:

what's he done now?

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laga:

nothing new, i've jsut read his mail from 2 days ago

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juski:

he's like a dawg with a bone

[13:08:46]

laga:

heh

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laga:

yay, someone is working on directfb support again

[13:08:59]

juski:

thing is – fair play to him but I don't think a developer is gonna save in

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laga:

"I don't really know how to generate a proper patch, but here is the

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laga:

diff of the two mythtv trees (0.19) that I'm using. "

[13:09:15]

laga:

uh, never mind

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laga:

juski: especially not when he keeps bugging people ;)

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juski:

ah but then the community will be branded as arrogant assholes

[13:10:16]

juski:

user say "jump!"

[13:10:20]

juski:

dev say "fuck off!"

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juski:

I spose he *is* begging nicely

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Dagmar:

He's got it all wrong

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Dagmar:

You don't say "fuck off" you say "kiss my ass"

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juski:

ass kissing doesn't work

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LabMonkey:

anyone know if the DST changes are going to make mysql shit on itself?

[13:13:05]

juski:

LabMonkey: I don't suppose anybody really knows til they happen

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LabMonkey:

or the database update script(s)?

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Dagmar:

LabMonkey: no. Unix is sane about how time works, so no problems there

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LabMonkey:

Dagmar: yeah I just made sure all of my machines are using proper timezone files

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juski:

if zap2it aren't up to speed though – that could throw a spanner in the cogs

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LabMonkey:

I just want to make sure my databases and stuff won't get wonky

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LabMonkey:

that reminds me... I dunno if my zap2it subscription is updated

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Dagmar:

So give htem your actual email address

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LabMonkey:

no I mean I have to renew my subscription periodically

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Dagmar:

They always email you like two weeks before it's going to expire, and I've seen no sign of them selling email addreesses to people

[13:15:25]

LabMonkey:

and I don't remember when the renewal is due

[13:15:32]

LabMonkey:

oh

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LabMonkey:

well I never check my mail anymore

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juski:

the point is, they'll remind you

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Dagmar:

On the other hand, in the time this exchange has taken place, you could have logged in and checked.

[13:15:50]

Dagmar:

DOn'

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LabMonkey:

poptray says I have 369 unread emails waiting

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Dagmar:

You don't check your email anymore? Do you live in a freaking mud hut, too?

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** Dagmar can't imagine. **

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LabMonkey:

2007-03–09 02:01:40.054 DataDirect: Your subscription expires on 04/02/07 03:41:20

[13:19:32]

LabMonkey:

Dagmar: I seldom find anything in my inbox that I actually want to read

[13:19:53]

LabMonkey:

I should probably unsubscribe from a couple of MLs

[13:20:12]

Dagmar:

LEarn to use filters

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LabMonkey:

I do

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Dagmar:

I don't read all the lists I'm on _every day_

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Dagmar:

I let 'em build up for 4–5 days before I bother

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cheeseboy:

mike3_ you up?

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cheeseboy:

+

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squish102:

i have a userjob1 set up like the following

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squish102:

nuvexport-xvid --nice 19 --input="%FILE%"

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squish102:

but when i select that to be done, it just gets queued and does not do anything

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squish102:

it i run from commandline it works

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squish102:

i cannot see anything in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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** juski rsync some more **

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gurft:

Top of the morning

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daviey:

if i had a hammer ...

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gurft:

anyone poking around. I'm having a weird antialiasing problem this morning

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gurft:

I replaced my GX5200 with an MX420 due to a signal noise issue (wavy lines on teh TV out)

[13:56:17]

gurft:

I no longer have wavy lines, but now all my fonts look pixelated, along with video output

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Dagmar:

So replace it again

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gurft:

LOL

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gurft:

well, was hoping to get THIS card working ;)

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cheeseboy:

you have drivers installed?

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Dagmar:

...and stop buying them at gas stations

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Dagmar:

cheeseboy: THis isn't Windows

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Milosch:

free graphics card with every fillup?

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cheeseboy:

nvidia cards?

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gurft:

hehehe

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gurft:

yea

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cheeseboy:

there are nvidia drivers for linux

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Dagmar:

gurft: Unless you are now running the thing at 640x480 or something there's nothing much to configure

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Dagmar:

cheeseboy: Yes, and for what he's doing if he didn't have something resembling a driver for the card, he'd have no output at all

[13:59:27]

Dagmar:

It doesn't require nVidia's binary driver to get the thing to display stuff

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gurft:

I already have the correct nvidia driver running

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Dagmar:

gurft: Unless of course you didn't bother to check the list of supported cards and you're using a 9xxx driver

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gurft:

Actually I started with 97xx, and it told me to downgrade to 96xx

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Dagmar:

MX420 may well be one that requires the 7xxx drivers

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gurft:

let me check nvidia's site

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Dagmar:

The Xorg driver should be quite capable of running pretty much any nVidia card. You just lose all hope of using XvMC without the binary driver from nVidia

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gurft:

Does TV out work with the stock NV driver?

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cheeseboy:

yes

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gurft:

how does one configure it with overscan/etc. Is there a wiki/doc?

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cheeseboy:

gruft what distro you on?

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gurft:

Ubuntu

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cheeseboy:

theres an app for controlling nvidia output i belive

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just:

hi

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just:

anyone here who could help me out ?

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laga:

just: please state your problem

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stuarta:

we won't know until you ask a question...

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daviey:

i can't help, sorry

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just:

hehe

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** laga is reminded once again about updating the channel faq **

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just:

well i guess i have a lot .. since im a newbie

[14:11:26]

stuarta:

i have an error in my chair to keyboard interface...

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daviey:

tell us your problems

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just:

i just setup Knoppix Myth 50RE ...

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daviey:

knoppmyth?

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just:

yep

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just:

and im trying to get dvb-s to work .. but i have no luck

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daviey:

okay, we are general mythtv channel. We should be able to help with most problems. But some specific things we might not be able to

[14:12:29]

laga:

just: talk to Machtin, he's already done it today

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laga:

;)

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just:

hey cool

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** daviey has never used dvb-s – dvb-t i have ;) **

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laga:

just: also, since you're located in germany, http://www.mythwiki.de/index.php?title=Ubuntu will be helpful too

[14:13:07]

just:

thanks ill take a look

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laga:

just: scroll down to "Das Setup"

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just:

k .. ill take a look .. and come back later .. thanks for now

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juski:

gurft: nvidia-settings

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juski:

also see the wiki entry about overscan

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gurft:

yea, I'm having nvidia driver issues today

[14:19:23]

gurft:

I downgraded my video card to get rid of a signal noise problem

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gurft:

now everything looks pixelated

[14:19:41]

gurft:

downgraded to the 'suggested' version of the driver and still have same issue.

[14:19:42]

sigger_:

anyone in here created a plugin (e.g. mythhello from the wiki)?

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sigger_:

well I've got it compiled ok, files seem to be in the right spots, got it referenced from menu. But nothing happens when I pick it from the menu.

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just:

how can i stop myth?

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just:

everytime i hit exit it comes up again

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just:

and if i try to do mythtv-setup it tells me it cant connect to the x-server

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just:

is there something like stopx ?

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cheeseboy:

why is my video and sound off in mythtv?

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AMD-:

no sound?

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cheeseboy:

no its like 5 seconds off from video

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GreyFoxx:

cheese: watching livetv ?

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cheeseboy:

ya

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GreyFoxx:

With a framegrabber/bttv card ?

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AMD-:

can any one help i cant watch tv i keep getting "error was encountered while displaying video"

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cheeseboy:

bttv yes

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just:

i still dont get into the setup :-)

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cheeseboy:

dunno what framegrabber is

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GreyFoxx:

You don't have your audio settings done correctly. What you are hearing is actually the audio being recorded from the card being passed by your soundcard out the speakers

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GreyFoxx:

there is asection on it in the mythtv.org site under Documentation

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GreyFoxx:

cheeseboy: a bttv card is a framegrabber :)

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AMD-:

dose any one know what i mean ?

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cheeseboy:

my sound doesnt stop when i quit too

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hd420:

hello

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hd420:

I'm following the instructions at http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php

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AMD-:

ok

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cheeseboy:

GreyFoxx, whtsection it in?

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GreyFoxx:

"Configuring Sound"

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Milosch:

btw, there is a problem fixed in 2.6.20.2 regarding ivtv sound

[14:35:11]

just:

whats the best distribution for running mythtv?

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hd420:

I see that DirectTV doesn't use dvb in the US

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GreyFoxx:

just: Whatever you know best

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just:

all the tuturials i found are for ubuntu ..

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just:

well i know shit :-)

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GreyFoxx:

hd420: Nope, they don't

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GreyFoxx:

it's not standard dvbs

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AMD-:

no such distro

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just:

thats why im allready stuck after installation of knoppmyth

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juski:

if you don't know linux & don't want to know much just to get myth worky, there's knoppmyth

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just:

k .. had no luck with it :-)

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hd420:

I'm trying to test my bloody capture card out to make sure it works

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AMD-:

record some thing and play back

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just:

since theres no support (at least right now) i have to search for something where a tuturial exist

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juski:

just – if you don't have any luck with knoppmyth then you need to start reading stuff

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** mike3_ yawns... **

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hd420:

is the wiki's search function not working?

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mike3_:

Nice Saturday morning!

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** juski signs the rtfm song **

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mike3_:

and it's rainy out!

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AMD-:

best thing to use if kaffeine play

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AMD-:

is*

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GreyFoxx:

hd420: It appears to work fine

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just:

well i searched the manual all over ... but theres no help in it :-)

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juski:

just: tell you what – ask questions here about points in the docs you don't understand

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just:

its not that i dont understand

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hd420:

google's inurl: parameter worked better for mw

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juski:

so what is it?

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just:

for example: how do i stop myth ..

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hd420:

s/mw/me/

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just:

didnt find that

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hd420:

grumble

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juski:

knoppmyth prolly has a script running to re-run mythfrontend

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just:

i know how to stop the background thing but not the frontend

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juski:

you could always ask in #knoppmyth

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juski:

or on their forums

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mike3_:

no damn food in the house. Gotta go grocery shopping

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mike3_:

:s

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gbee:

just hit Esc (or Ctr-Esc or some other combination which is defined in the settings)

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DjMadness:

juski, are you sure i dont need any more than the volume change in the script ? since when i only have the following: aumix -d /dev/mixer1 -1 R ; aumix -d /dev/mixer1 -L ; exit 0 i cant switch channel at all

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just:

gbee: it asks me if i want to exit .. i press yes .. and it restarts

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gbee:

ahh, that's a knoppmyth thing, they added a script to restart the frontend if it stops

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sigger_:

gbee, xris mentioned you've been working on mythmusic related stuff. yes?

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just:

possible ..

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just:

its anoyign

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gbee:

sigger_: yes, some bits

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laga:

just: it seems you'll also have to implemented the actual channing changing in your script.

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just:

ahm im dont know how to ...

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cheeseboy:

mike3_ hi

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sigger_:

I just started working on a plugin to be a myth frontend for mpd. it occurred to me while I was trying to get mythhello (from wiki) working, that it might make sense to just replace mythmusic's player with references to mpd

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laga:

just: sorry! i meant DjMadness.

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laga:

just: stupid fingers :)

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mike3_:

cheeseboy, I see you are having audio and video sync issues.

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just:

kk

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mike3_:

You fix it?

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laga:

DjMadness: it seems you'll also have to implemented the actual channing changing in your script.

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just:

im gettin crazy on this one :-)

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sigger_:

are you amenable to discussing changing the music player?

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cheeseboy:

ya

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laga:

sigger_: if you want to do some coding, #mythtv is the place to ask

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mike3_:

so it's fixed?

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DjMadness:

laga, ah, but reading google, i read theres no way in mythtv to swicth channel via command line... only via v4lctl, but that takes over the device

[14:45:30]

cheeseboy:

nope

[14:45:40]

mike3_:

I know it can be fixed.......

[14:45:53]

jd86:

I have a pvr150 which isn't recording sounds, when the other 2 are... any idea what could cause this?

[14:45:57]

sigger_:

laga, well I asked a question re compiling a new plugin there last night and was remanded here. since I saw gbee, I thought I'd ask.

[14:46:25]

cheeseboy:

not by me :(

[14:46:29]

just:

well i think im trying my luck with kubuntu now

[14:47:03]

laga:

DjMadness: right, that's what you do AFAIK. you use v4lctl to change the channel and mythtv will record it. or do you mean that v4lctl is going to interfere with the backend somehow?

[14:47:06]

mike3_:

throw up vnc again...

[14:47:09]

mike3_:

I'll poke around

[14:47:21]

squish102:

where are all the logs that i could possibly see y a job is queued and not executing?

[14:47:22]

gbee:

sigger_: I'll be honest, that wasn't the direction I had planned on taking mythmusic in, but if it was developed in parallel to mythmusic it could possibly replace it in the future

[14:47:32]

Dr_willis:

Ive herrd of a lot of people havcing issues with mythtv installing under ubuntu/kubuntu. :(

[14:47:34]

DjMadness:

laga, it interfears with the frontend, so i get a blank screen

[14:47:42]

cheeseboy:

that u?

[14:47:58]

mike3_:

yes

[14:48:03]

hd420:

jd86: perhaps this is the one without RCA audio?

[14:48:14]

sigger_:

gbee, meaning you wanted to keep its player (mfe, I think?) or you just weren't focused on that aspect?

[14:48:15]

mike3_:

of course if you allow it

[14:48:16]

mike3_:

:)

[14:48:20]

laga:

DjMadness: the frontend shouldn't matter, it just displays what it gets from the backend

[14:48:34]

gbee:

what I'm working on now is actually turning mythmusic into a backend/frontend application, probably integrating the backend part into mythbackend

[14:48:53]

jd86:

hd420 it used to work..

[14:49:20]

hd420:

jd86: I dunno mate, I'm still trying to figure out how to fix apt myself

[14:49:22]

gurft:

i swapped cards back, I'd rather have some noise then pixelated output.

[14:49:32]

gurft:

its' weird that changing carrds fixed my issue

[14:49:39]

gurft:

any recos for new vid card?

[14:49:52]

hd420:

http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9641/ if you want to take a look at my issue

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sigger_:

gbee, if you don't mind my asking (or asking here) what part would go in the backend? music db update?

[14:51:51]

gbee:

but rather than throw away what already works in mythmusic, to use something like MPD, I would simply split the current mythfrontend into two parts – streaming to frontends would be done using the new upnp/xml methods

[14:52:16]

sigger_:

ah, streaming.

[14:52:21]

gbee:

music db update, all the meta-data handling stuff

[14:52:49]

gbee:

frontend would consists of the decoders and playback

[14:53:52]

sigger_:

FYI – the reason I felt it a good idea to use mpd, is the difficulty in creating a UI that lets one easily browse/search with a relatively blunt tool like a remote.

[14:54:52]

gbee:

sure, the UI was the other thing I wanted to address

[14:55:22]

gbee:

it might be re-inventing the wheel to do that from scratch, but I've got some ideas I'd at least like to try

[14:55:39]

sigger_:

There are a number of good mpd clients (including one I work on called ampache) that allow you to use another pc to do playlists/ activelists/browse/search/etc using keyboard and mouse which is a finer tool than a remote

[14:55:49]

gbee:

the current mythmusic code is a mess, but it's not beyond saving

[14:57:45]

sigger_:

e.g. I use a lappy's mpd client to do search and playlist and activelist manipulation. Would like to then just play/stop/next/playlistselection using remote

[14:57:58]

gbee:

as I say, i you wanted to work on something in parallel with mythmusic, then I wouldn't object and if it's better then there is every chance that we'll switch

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sigger_:

I really just want to tweak the parts that interface with the player. But that kinda runs counter to having the music stream from the backend

[14:58:49]

gbee:

sigger_: the one thing you have to remember is that mythmusic _has_ to remain usable by only remote for those people who don't want another machine to manage their collections

[14:59:20]

juski:

yup yup yup!

[14:59:31]

sigger_:

of course, I wasn't picturing changing the existing UI at all (does that mean its usable though ;) )

[14:59:51]

gbee:

I think it's possible to create a playlist management UI that is at least as good as those offered by hardware mp3 players which many people are becoming familiar with

[15:00:51]

sigger_:

yup but I find those can be a little tough (via remote as opposed to say ipod) with large music repositories

[15:01:54]

sigger_:

I'm just suggesting setting it up so that an alternative music UI (e.g. ampache/jinzora/phpmpd/etc) could be used if the user wanted

[15:02:38]

siyb:

hm the tv guide for this week is saved in the database but i dont get it in mythtv, the whole program guide is blanc (i already restarted mythtv)

[15:02:52]

gbee:

if MPD can be offered almost as a plugin to mythmusic or compile time option, to offer that capability then that would be pretty cool

[15:04:21]

gbee:

it might mean working with the current schema etc creating a translation layer if necessary (having only just changed the schema I'm in no hurry to redo it)

[15:04:35]

sigger_:

mmm, that might be more than I think I could handle. alternate players?

[15:05:52]

gbee:

I don't have the final say on this, other devs might prefer your proposal, I'm being quite selfish really because I want to see how my plans would work out ;)

[15:06:39]

sigger_:

since I haven't really looked at the code for mythmusic, how pervasive is the interaction with the player? all over the place or fairly concentrated?

[15:11:31]

hd420:

sigger_: take a look at the code then :)

[15:11:49]

gbee:

I'd have to say fairly pervasive, although it's not terrible – the code has become a little fragmented over the years

[15:12:56]

cheeseboy:

questions.. I"m using bttv and I am aware that I need to adjust the audio to play back the recorded vid in the captaure card settings. I'm not seeing anything related. Could somebody point me in the right direction?

[15:14:24]

juski:

cheeseboy: nope. what you need to do is adjust the sound card mixer settings so that the correct audio input is routed to the audio recording path

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cheeseboy:

juski: I saw that, but hwo do I actually do that.

[15:16:29]

gbee:

one of the things I'm trying to do is clean up the code, and organise it a little better but at the same time gradually divide it up into two distinct parts

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juski:

cheeseboy: alsamixer, gnome-mixer, kmix.. whatever

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laga:

is the mp3act code in 0.20, actually?

[15:19:31]

cheeseboy:

juski: I'm in alsamixer what am I doing exactly. What am i mutting?

[15:19:35]

cheeseboy:

capture isnt muted

[15:20:12]

cheeseboy:

it says the source should be muted, but what is considered the source/

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juski:

the source is whatever input the tuner audio is plugged into

[15:22:16]

cheeseboy:

it's plugged into input

[15:22:26]

jd86:

is there any reason why outputting to tv versus monitor uses much more memory?

[15:22:37]

juski:

which input? the LINE input?

[15:22:44]

cheeseboy:

yes

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juski:

cheeseboy: so MUTE the line input

[15:23:03]

cheeseboy:

ok got'cha

[15:23:13]

cheeseboy:

and leave capture unmuted.

[15:23:28]

juski:

when you first run alsamixer (with no args) you will see the 'playback' section. it is that section where you need to MUTE the line input

[15:23:50]

juski:

then go into the capture section and select the LINE input to be recorded

[15:24:36]

cheeseboy:

ok i'm select on capture

[15:24:38]

jd86:

ugh, I wasn't expecting tv out to use so much more memory with X than monitor.

[15:24:40]

cheeseboy:

i can reaise volumea nd lower

[15:25:01]

cheeseboy:

what do I do. How do I set it to the line input to be recorded?

[15:26:05]

cheeseboy:

i thinkb Ia goct itk

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cheeseboy:

used gnome's audio settings

[15:29:13]

mike3_:

cheeseboy, try it now

[15:29:19]

cheeseboy:

ok h/o

[15:29:24]

jd86:

can mythfrontend run on something other than X that can use tv out? Like a framebuffer or something? I'm low on memory and I don't know if I can get more soon.

[15:29:41]

mike3_:

shit I gotta get ready....

[15:29:47]

juski:

jd86: what resolution are you running X at?

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GreyFoxx:

jd86: I really can't imagine there being any difference.

[15:30:01]

GreyFoxx:

X/myth don't do anything different

[15:30:12]

jd86:

well I'm just trying to think of something to cut down memory. It doesn't have all that much. I don't konw what resolution it ends up on, I'm going to check.

[15:30:13]

GreyFoxx:

It's strictly the drivers/card and direct the data to different outputs

[15:30:14]

juski:

not all themes are created equal, FYI -some use much more than others

[15:30:24]

cheeseboy:

mike3_ its still not in sync

[15:30:47]

mike3_:

cheeseboy, Ok you have to mess aroudn with your audio settings. Muting and such.... Just read that section. I gotta get ready to go

[15:30:49]

mike3_:

I'll msg you later

[15:31:18]

cheeseboy:

ok about wen will u be back?

[15:31:49]

jd86:

(trying to figure out how to see what resolution its using because I didn't specifiy in xorg)

[15:31:53]

laga:

sigger_: what about virtual machines? virtualbox by innotek mostly is open source software, eg

[15:32:19]

GreyFoxx:

sigger_: and vmware server/player is free

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laga:

bah

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laga:

;)

[15:32:36]

GreyFoxx:

I do a lot of my dev work for just about everything in vmware

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sigger_:

run myth svn and development stuff inside a vm? interesting. hard to get started with that stuff? never used before.

[15:33:37]

sigger_:

and is it resource intensive?

[15:33:48]

laga:

no. install the VM software, install your distro of choice, proceed as usual

[15:34:01]

GreyFoxx:

sigger_: not particularly no

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laga:

you might haveto install some special drivers for the VM, but thaT's usually no problem

[15:34:34]

GreyFoxx:

sigger_: You can also use to to "mockup" a network and run multiple vms

[15:34:51]

sigger_:

sigh, yet another thing to do prior to getting started on the nitty gritty. Ain't that always the way.

[15:35:00]

GreyFoxx:

heh my wife's pc runs a linux vmware session so I can use her pc with distcc ;)

[15:35:10]

sigger_:

I guess I'd have both the front and back running on the same VM

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GreyFoxx:

sigger_: You can have more than 1

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sigger_:

ah, I see what you mean

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AMD-:

what dose it mean when i get this eroor chown: `mythtv': invalid user

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GreyFoxx:

What do you think that means ?

[15:36:48]

AMD-:

invalid user

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AMD-:

i mean what do i do

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GreyFoxx:

what were you doing when you got the error ?

[15:37:23]

GreyFoxx:

IE myth doesn;t call chown for anything

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jd86:

juski, well, what resolution should I be using?

[15:37:40]

AMD-:

sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start

[15:38:41]

GreyFoxx:

jd86: for analog tvout? 640x480 or 800x600 is plenty

[15:39:03]

jd86:

Maybe I should approach this differently — can I lower the amount of memory mythfrontend uses?

[15:39:56]

GreyFoxx:

jd86: The only really effect you can have is by using a different theme. Some use much more memory than others

[15:40:08]

jd86:

i'm using G.A.N.T

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GreyFoxx:

That doesn't mean anything to me: I don't exactly have a chart of Theme = X ram :)

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jd86:

Ah, oh well. I guess I should try to acquire additional ram.

[15:41:59]

GreyFoxx:

You could...... try other themes on your own

[15:42:18]

jd86:

Yeah, but I don't think it would be enough alone anyway. I think finding more ram might be a better solution.

[15:42:27]

GreyFoxx:

And of course if you are running at a higher than needed X resolution you can lower that

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Dr_willis:

i dont see how the themes memory ussages would matter that much..

[15:42:35]

GreyFoxx:

and turn off any uneeded stuff

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GreyFoxx:

what window manager are you running ?

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GreyFoxx:

Dr_willis: some use hundreds of megs more ram

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jd86:

GreyFoxx, none.

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Dr_willis:

GreyFoxx, i wokder what they are doing diffeently then.

[15:43:19]

Dr_willis:

make a black/white theme. :)

[15:43:32]

Dr_willis:

remove all the menu options

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GreyFoxx:

Dr_willis: just a lot bigger imagines, a lot more data

[15:43:48]

GreyFoxx:

jd86: just how little ram do you have ?

[15:43:52]

Dr_willis:

bigger images for my 800x600 screen! :)

[15:45:02]

jd86:

well , first let me tell you how wonderful it worked before switching back to tv-out (using a monitor). It worked good. MemTotal: 188204 kB and its network booted, no swap, but I've hacked much of the unneeded stuff out. The only difference between working great and not working (memory) is tv-out.

[15:45:33]

jd86:

I have an nvidia card (5200) and use proprietary nvidia driver. I wonder if there are open source drivers that use less memory and still do tvout?

[15:45:57]

GreyFoxx:

the nv driver doesn't do overscan, so the image would have black borders

[15:46:15]

GreyFoxx:

honestly I cannot imagine the output device making adifference

[15:46:26]

Dr_willis:

mine has blue borders...

[15:46:27]

Dr_willis:

heh.

[15:46:34]

jd86:

Well, I just plugged in TV, and unplugged monitor, copie da working out for that... and not it uses too much memory

[15:47:10]

GreyFoxx:

I've used tvout only, tv+monitor, and monitor only and it has never made a lick of difference

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** Dr_willis agrees with GreyFoxx **

[15:47:32]

GreyFoxx:

there is not reason other than a messed up driver bug/memory leak in the driver to account for that

[15:47:33]

jd86:

GreyFoxx, :).

[15:48:07]

jd86:

My otherfrontend which has been using tv out always has problems with memory, i had to keep putting more in. has like 384M now, and occasionally I go in a plugin that kills it.

[15:48:14]

jd86:

GreyFoxx, again... nvidia card.

[15:48:17]

jd86:

what nvidia driver do you use?

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GreyFoxx:

jd86: You have serious configuration issues then

[15:48:43]

GreyFoxx:

all mx440's, and a6150 at work

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jd86:

GreyFoxx, could you share your xorg.conf ?

[15:49:01]

GreyFoxx:

though right now most of my frontends are msntv2's with an intel GPU

[15:49:14]

GreyFoxx:

before those I had pc's with the mx440's and 128meg fo ram in each.

[15:49:18]

jd86:

do you netboot?

[15:49:20]

GreyFoxx:

yes

[15:49:24]

jd86:

so no swap

[15:49:29]

GreyFoxx:

nope, none

[15:49:30]

jd86:

what do you use for dist?

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GreyFoxx:

Slackware

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jd86:

hmm, and i'm using gentoo — the os itself uses so little memory. it must have to do with X and stuff

[15:50:33]

GreyFoxx:

What resolution are you running X at ?

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jd86:

640x480

[15:50:58]

jd86:

16bit

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juski:

Dr_willis: monochrome themes won't use less memory

[15:51:07]

jd86:

or whatever you call depth

[15:51:14]

juski:

16 bit?

[15:51:18]

juski:

oof

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Dr_willis:

There goes my plan for a GEOS theme then! :)

[15:51:36]

jd86:

well what would one call the Depth? just Depth?

[15:51:49]

juski:

bit depth / colour depth

[15:51:54]

GreyFoxx:

bitdepth

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jd86:

aha.

[15:52:09]

juski:

24-bit colour, for nice looking images :)

[15:52:34]

laga:

is there a porn theme, actually?

[15:52:54]

Dr_willis:

Heh eh.

[15:52:58]

juski:

Dr_willis: mythtv's theme images are turned into 24bit colour with translucency information AFAICT

[15:53:03]

jd86:

does colour depth effect memory usage?

[15:53:04]

Dr_willis:

laga, you sicko.. i was thinking of that also.

[15:53:11]

juski:

that's when it loads & scales em

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laga:

GreyFoxx: theme -> ram table: < Falballa> laga: 'ram' could be janne: in 1600x1200: Iulius: 51M, blue: 81M, minimalist-wide: 98M, mythcenter: 120M, blootubelite-wide: 174M, mythcenter-wide: 135M, MePo-wide: 170M, ProjectGrayhem-wide: 190M, Retro und GANT: 215M, Titivillus: 260M, blootube: 299M, ProjectGrayhem: 300M, blootube-wide: 416M

[15:53:28]

laga:

we need a keyword bot in here!

[15:53:32]

laga:

Beirdo, get coding!

[15:53:36]

laga:

juski: congrats ;)

[15:54:10]

** juski wonders how much ram he saved in neon-wide **

[15:54:20]

jd86:

aha! something I just changed made it go one step further, lets see if it keeps going :)

[15:55:07]

juski:

anyway it's been a few hours since I posted on the -users list & my inbox isn't full :)

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juski:

ok maybe it's time I put my coding gloves on

[15:56:56]

jd86:

there, not it is working

[15:57:11]

jd86:

onto the rest of the long list of things to do

[15:57:34]

jd86:

The tuner which doesn't produce any sound... coudl it be defective?

[15:58:22]

juski:

playbackbox.cpp.. come to daddy

[16:00:20]

jd86:

so... from reading -dev list, qt 3.3.8 is something to avoid... /me hardmasks it now.

[16:00:29]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

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jd86:

i love how I have to compile mythtv on a minimum of 3 boxes.

[16:01:19]

juski:

you don't *have* to

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** stuarta is watching live tv *gasp* **

[16:01:51]

juski:

well not unless that man with the gun pointed at your head tells you so anyway

[16:02:14]

jd86:

juski, I don't have to use mythtv either:), how do you recommend I have mythtv compiled? I don't have the same deps/and such between computers all of the time.

[16:02:38]

juski:

jd86: why not? ;)

[16:02:44]

jd86:

oh, its okay to do?

[16:03:16]

jd86:

or is the why not to the same deps between computers?

[16:03:27]

juski:

never mind

[16:03:33]

jd86:

Okay :)

[16:04:04]

jd86:

I didn't mean to really make it a complaint, just a passing "sigh" as I wait for compilation.

[16:04:45]

gurft:

jd86: what kind of hardware are you running that it takes so long to compile?

[16:04:53]

gurft:

jd86: that it's... painful if you will.

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** gurft is ripping baby Einstein DVDs, and just realized he ripped the first 4 in Spanish instead of English.... DOH! **

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gurft:

Looks like my daughter is going to be speaking espanol.

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juski:

where did gbee go?

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stuarta:

probably crashed his laptop again

[16:07:25]

juski:

I'm trying to make sense of ticket 2935 at the mo & thinking of a way I can do the job without changing the uitype

[16:07:58]

gurft:

Why not sync teh boxes up, then compile ones and build packages?

[16:08:12]

gurft:

that way you compile once and alwasy have same rev/release everywhere.

[16:08:58]

juski:

then installing the packages on the other boxes will be a PITA ;)

[16:09:07]

jd86:

gurft, well i make sure they get the same revision from svn, and I could/should keep them all up, and they should be pretty close now, but last time I did it they were both so far.

[16:09:20]

jd86:

well I may have failed to mention I'm on gentoo everywhere

[16:09:31]

jd86:

so its not a matter of apt-get update or anything.

[16:09:38]

juski:

you can build binary packages for gentoo allegedly

[16:09:44]

juski:

er.. ebuilds I mean

[16:10:06]

jd86:

yeah... but waiting for it to compile on 2 or 3 machines isn't so bad (when I'm not around)

[16:10:42]

jd86:

but if i have it set to a -march of athlon-xp (i think thats it) and the other machine is a old celleron, i don't know how that will go over.

[16:10:48]

jd86:

but again, that isn't needed and I could do it

[16:11:14]

juski:

heheh gentoo & its omgoptomiseration-ifying

[16:11:21]

jd86:

yeah,

[16:11:30]

jd86:

i don't do much, just that one thing and it probably doesn't do anything

[16:11:48]

jd86:

I use gentoo because I know it, not because I can do all of those -O389749587 -super-optimize

[16:14:09]

gurft:

same reason I do Ubuntu. I switched from Gentoo just becuase I could build my box in under an hour... not a day and a half waiting for everything to emerge.

[16:14:10]

jd86:

I could always just turn on my laptop, and update everything with distcc going and it won't take too long, but thats a project for tomorrow.

[16:14:58]

jd86:

Its not so bad with newer machines, my friend got a new laptop and did the whole thing in half a day. Again, I just use it because I know it.

[16:15:43]

juski:

I wonder what life would be like if there was only one linux

[16:16:08]

gurft:

you know what woudl ROCK, If I could actually use the dvd transcoder and not be a fumpling idiot and rerip this DVD in spanish like I just did.

[16:16:11]

juski:

no distro-wars, peace on Earth

[16:16:28]

jd86:

juski, i wonder what the world would be like with no Windows (tm)(r)(c)

[16:16:43]

gurft:

like a dog without bricks tied to it's head....

[16:16:44]

stuarta:

dark?

[16:17:10]

juski:

like a fish without a bicycle?

[16:17:34]

juski:

hey maybe everybody would be smarter :)

[16:17:39]

stuarta:

that reminds me of a guiness ad

[16:17:55]

gurft:

Juski, showed my wife the angry german kid vid from your webiste. She almost fell off her chair and said that was me at one time....

[16:17:58]

jd86:

I actually was less impressed than expected with vista (and I wasn't expecting much)

[16:18:35]

juski:

I'm sick of being ribbed at work for categorically stating I DON'T FCUKING CARE ABOUT VISTA!!!

[16:18:50]

juski:

"but you've got to try it..."

[16:19:04]

juski:

no I don't. I have a mind of my own, thanks

[16:19:29]

stuarta:

my boss at work has already downgraded to 2k3

[16:19:37]

stuarta:

or was it xp...

[16:20:09]

jd86:

I tried it for a very short period of time, and I found that the eye candy was stupid compared to beryl/Xgl etc, and clicking Yes Allow 89749 times just to load a website / or a share was kind of not fun.

[16:21:16]

juski:

you know that limitation in MCE where they say you can't have more than 2 tuners (or 2 SD tuners & one HD) ? apparently you can edit the registry to allow more. like wtf?!

[16:21:36]

jd86:

oh well. svn didn't compile. No upgrade for me.

[16:21:38]

Machtin:

if i just want to watch tv.. i started mythfrontend and can watch tv.. but how to access a channellist?

[16:21:55]

juski:

Machtin: there is no 'list' of channels

[16:22:05]

Machtin:

hm. no? :/

[16:22:26]

Machtin:

juski: and instead? how to move through the channels except entering the numbers

[16:22:39]

juski:

there's a 'browse' mode which lets you select a new channel to change to

[16:22:59]

Machtin:

where's it?

[16:23:06]

juski:

somebody was whining on the -users list about a channel list the other day

[16:23:26]

juski:

Machtin: come now. look in the docs for a description of keyboard commands

[16:23:47]

juski:

or better yet have a read of the 'daily use' section of the wiki's user manual

[16:23:50]

Machtin:

juski: well that's what i'd like to find.. a manual

[16:24:06]

Machtin:

hm.. that daily use-thingie's strange

[16:24:12]

Machtin:

but well.. i'll give it another try

[16:25:12]

gurft:

can mytharchive take a .vob as a input file?

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juski:

.vob is only an mpeg2 program stream by another name

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gurft:

cool

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jd86:

Anyone know what many lines of this means: /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so: undefined reference to `_nv000852gl

[16:26:50]

jd86:

while compiling mythtv (from svn)?

[16:27:50]

jd86:

Well I don't think its a svn related thing, it compiled fine on other box

[16:28:18]

stuarta:

missing some nvidia specific libs?

[16:28:35]

jd86:

I wonder where they could have gone :)

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jd86:

ah i might have just fixed that.

[16:30:04]

jd86:

thanks for the hint stuarta

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bagpuss_thecat:

afternoon all

[16:44:12]

bagpuss_thecat:

I'm trying to add a new slave backend, but mythtv-setup is just hanging when I run it on the host

[16:44:22]

bagpuss_thecat:

I get the display, and the Main screen, but there are no menu entries

[16:45:04]

laga:

disable the opengl painter

[16:45:58]

cheeseboy:

mike3_ you there?

[16:46:05]

bagpuss_thecat:

acutally, the logs have just said that it's using the QT painter

[16:46:11]

bagpuss_thecat:

however...

[16:46:12]

bagpuss_thecat:

2007-03–10 16:29:33.723 Using the Qt painter

[16:46:12]

bagpuss_thecat:

mythtv: could not connect to socket

[16:46:12]

bagpuss_thecat:

mythtv: No such file or directory

[16:46:19]

laga:

ohy

[16:46:25]

laga:

is there anything else in the logs?

[16:47:49]

bagpuss_thecat:

not really, just the standard startup stuff, desktop size, schema version, etc

[16:48:25]

laga:

increase logging verbosity. mythtv-setup -v all,nodatabase

[16:51:21]

bagpuss_thecat:

laga: still the same :-) I've put all the logs I get at http://www.pastebin.co.uk/11639

[16:51:45]

bagpuss_thecat:

loads up, get the default theme with the big spanner icon at the top right, "Main" at the top left, and nothing else

[16:58:21]

laga:

bagpuss_thecat: try -v all then

[17:00:13]

bagpuss_thecat:

loads of sql statements up until 2007-03–10 16:59:15.564 MSqlQuery: SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value = 'AllowQuitShutdown' AND hostname IS NULL;

[17:00:23]

bagpuss_thecat:

then a delay of about 30 seconds, and then 2007-03–10 16:59:35.225 MSqlQuery: SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value = 'Language' AND hostname = 'flat' ;

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bagpuss_thecat:

and that's the last

[17:00:46]

bagpuss_thecat:

ok, not 30 seconds, but 15 :-)

[17:01:25]

bagpuss_thecat:

hitting esc lets it exit cleanly

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laga:

bagpuss_thecat: that's weird. sorry, dunno :/

[17:03:57]

laga:

stracing it mgiht provide some insight

[17:04:12]

bagpuss_thecat:

good call

[17:04:13]

bagpuss_thecat:

no worries, ta

[17:05:43]

bagpuss_thecat:

hhmmm, it spins on this...

[17:05:43]

bagpuss_thecat:

gettimeofday({1173546310, 566545}, NULL) = 0

[17:05:43]

bagpuss_thecat:

ioctl(3, FIONREAD, [0]) = 0

[17:05:44]

bagpuss_thecat:

gettimeofday({1173546310, 567893}, NULL) = 0

[17:05:44]

bagpuss_thecat:

select(6, [3 5], [], [], {0, 12033}) = 0 (Timeout)

[17:05:53]

** bagpuss_thecat googles **

[17:06:00]

ryanr23:

Anyone know anything about this error using MythArchive to create a DVD? **ERROR: [mplex] Too many frame drops -exiting

[17:06:12]

stuarta:

bagpuss_thecat: how's the timesync on those machines

[17:06:21]

bagpuss_thecat:

should be identical

[17:06:23]

** bagpuss_thecat checks **

[17:08:20]

bagpuss_thecat:

master is about 30 seconds faster cos I forgot to install ntp on it

[17:09:29]

bagpuss_thecat:

synced now, but same result

[17:09:55]

cheeseboy:

cat /proc/bus/input/devices how come my remote doesnt show up?

[17:10:09]

laga:

cheeseboy: it's probably not an input device.

[17:10:24]

cheeseboy:

?

[17:11:51]

cheeseboy:

i think its an ir blaster or somtin

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cheeseboy:

laga how do i setup lirc then?

[17:17:44]

laga:

lirc should have a special driver for your hardware

[17:20:04]

cheeseboy:

k...

[17:20:30]

cheeseboy:

apt-get install lirc

[17:20:37]

cheeseboy:

just do that?

[17:20:48]

laga:

i don't know

[17:21:08]

cheeseboy:

:(

[17:21:41]

laga:

even if i knew, i wouldn't be walking you trhough the whole process anyways. you need to do some reading

[17:25:08]

** jd86 blushes... the sound problem was due to bad config in /etc/modules.conf. **

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AC-:

hi

[17:34:15]

AC-:

i just installed mythtv but dont have the mythtv users at the log on prompt

[17:35:05]

AC-:

the guide says "The installation will have created a mythtv user. We'll login as him from now in, so set his password:"

[17:35:45]

laga:

did you install ubuntu?

[17:36:16]

AC-:

yes i have ubuntu

[17:36:30]

AC-:

installed

[17:36:33]

tank-man:

try the generic install instructions from source, or look at them before using that guide

[17:36:39]

rsdvd_:

lol – it is always ubuntu that causes problems

[17:36:54]

tank-man:

bad package maintainers

[17:36:59]

AC-:

its not that i think

[17:37:38]

AC-:

ubuntu is very popular as you would know :)

[17:38:45]

tank-man:

there is a commandline program to add users if you want to use that, adduser or useradd i think

[17:39:17]

AC-:

will it work if i don't log on as the mythtv user ,just Finnish the installation on gnome session

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tank-man:

only people who know are those that used the same guide as you

[17:40:44]

fugu:

hello all

[17:40:48]

AC-:

its also a popular guide it no 1 at google search

[17:40:51]

laga:

i should take some time and improve that ubuntu wiki, but i couldn't care less actually..

[17:41:00]

laga:

AC-: the guide at wiki.ubuntu.com?

[17:41:16]

AC-:

http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php

[17:41:22]

laga:

ah

[17:41:30]

laga:

i don't know that one

[17:41:31]

AC-:

i searched google for ubuntu mythtv

[17:41:46]

laga:

but "mythtv" doesn't show up because it's a system user AFAIK.

[17:42:08]

laga:

eg an user that was created by the package management system. its UID is below 1000 and those won't show up

[17:42:34]

laga:

everything ought to work fine AFAIK if you add your regular user to the "mythtv" *group*, though

[17:42:37]

AC-:

so how dose he expact me to log in as that user

[17:42:50]

laga:

su - ?

[17:42:51]

AC-:

yeh i have done that

[17:42:58]

laga:

i don't know that guide, i'm only guessing.

[17:43:26]

AC-:

your guess is all i have got right now

[17:44:04]

AC-:

so Finnish with the guide ?

[17:44:16]

tank-man:

the user doesnt have to be "mythtv" , it can be "AC-"

[17:44:24]

tank-man:

can be anyone

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AC-:

i see

[17:45:14]

tank-man:

or are you talking about the mythtv user/account in mysql db ?

[17:45:31]

fugu:

I am having a problem with the guide working... it intermittently produces an error:

[17:45:32]

fugu:

X Error: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) 10

[17:45:32]

fugu:

Major opcode: 142

[17:45:33]

fugu:

Minor opcode: 5

[17:45:33]

fugu:

Resource id: 0x800009

[17:45:46]

fugu:

and I have to restart the frontend

[17:46:06]

AC-:

this is strange look http://pastebin.ca/389333

[17:46:58]

fugu:

any ideas?

[17:47:08]

AC-:

i got that when i run mythtv-setup

[17:47:51]

fugu:

whats weird is that it works sometimes

[17:48:06]

tank-man:

AC-, maybe wrong password for mysql db or no qt3/mysql dependency

[17:48:13]

laga:

AC-: there's also a guide at wiki.ubuntu.com

[17:49:48]

kslater:

today's woot is a Harmony 659 remote for $50 US. Anyone have one and have an opinion on it?

[17:50:18]

kslater:

doh – nm – sold out

[17:52:24]

AC-:

when i run mythtv i get this http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/7938/screenshotft4.png

[17:53:13]

laga:

AC-: read the documentation please

[17:53:22]

laga:

AC-: oh

[17:53:23]

AC-:

ok thanks

[17:53:36]

AC-:

??

[17:53:37]

laga:

AC-: get the correct login information from /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

[17:54:07]

AC-:

also i have a backend and front on the same system

[17:54:18]

AC-:

do you know what i mean ?

[17:54:43]

laga:

yeah

[17:54:53]

laga:

/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt shoudl have what you need

[17:55:59]

fugu:

is anyone here using the nvidia-legacy drivers?

[17:56:08]

tank-man:

does the mythconverg database exist?

[17:56:27]

tank-man:

and username and password are correrct?

[17:56:31]

** fugu taps mic **

[17:56:39]

fugu:

is this thing on?

[17:56:58]

tank-man:

fugu, when do you get that error?

[17:57:11]

fugu:

mythfrontend stdout

[17:57:20]

fugu:

or maybe sterr

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fugu:

on my terminal

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fugu:

I am using the Qt painter

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AC-:

i still cant setup mythtv i get the same sceen shot

[18:00:02]

tank-man:

fugu, that error looks like you need help from someone on the dev list maybe

[18:00:16]

AC-:

dose it not have to be ip addresses

[18:00:33]

tank-man:

AC-, i dont know how to check, but check that the username and password are correct

[18:00:45]

tank-man:

and that the database mythconverg exists

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AC-:

ok

[18:01:02]

tank-man:

laga said lok in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

[18:01:05]

tank-man:

look

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AC-:

i did

[18:01:14]

cheeseboy:

mike3_ you there?

[18:01:19]

AC-:

i got the password from there

[18:01:34]

fugu:

You can use mysql-admin to look at your database and users

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Mandors:

Hi, i am currently trying to figure out how to get mythtv to run a script after performing a channel change. Ive tried with external channel script, but then the channel will not change when i switch channel. Could someone spare the time to assist me ?

[18:06:50]

GreyFoxx:

Mandors: There is no mechanism for doign that after a channel change

[18:06:59]

GreyFoxx:

Only to replace changing entirely with a script

[18:07:41]

Mandors:

GreyFoxx: in witch factor should that be done ? any assisting tools ?

[18:08:08]

GreyFoxx:

which factor ?

[18:08:43]

GreyFoxx:

What exactly are you trying to accomplish with your script ?

[18:09:40]

Mandors:

Well i have some audio problems and i need to change some settings after each channel change. otherwise i have no audio

[18:09:46]

juski:

GreyFoxx: his problem is that when he changes channel in livetv, it mutes his tuner audio

[18:09:46]

laga:

AC-: make sure mysql-server is installed, started and configured correctly with mythtv-database

[18:09:50]

laga:

i've got to go, laters

[18:10:15]

** jams kicks perl out the door, and breaks out python **

[18:10:18]

juski:

I suggested he try a channel change script, but then laga warned him about something I hadn't realised – i.e. that it will break channel changing ;)

[18:10:31]

Mandors:

juski: yep :)

[18:10:35]

GreyFoxx:

Mandors: There really isn't a built in way to do what you want. If you tel myth to use a script it will ONLY use the script , if you use internal channel changing..noscript

[18:10:53]

tank-man:

have the script send a telnet comamnd to change channel and fix audio

[18:11:03]

GreyFoxx:

So you need to either A: find a way to change channels from the commandline and include that in your script, or B: dig into the code and figure out what is up

[18:11:06]

juski:

well I said 'channel change script' but it was just some thing that fiddled the audio on the tuner

[18:11:20]

GreyFoxx:

tank-man: That wouldn't work if he's using a script to change channels

[18:11:37]

GreyFoxx:

the telnet command would end up calling the script which calls thew telnet command which calls the script etc etc

[18:11:53]

tank-man:

orly lol

[18:12:18]

Mandors:

its kinda awkawd to go to a mixer after each channel switch, v4lctl cant help either

[18:12:21]

GreyFoxx:

the real question is why your audio is being muted

[18:12:59]

Mandors:

GreyFoxx: it does not exactly get muted, its basicly it "removes" the recording channel

[18:13:46]

Mandors:

i basicly need to run this script each time i change channel or start mythtv aumix -d /dev/mixer1 -1 R ; aumix -d /dev/mixer1 -L

[18:14:04]

tank-man:

Mandors, so the volume is low or muted?

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Mandors:

tank-man: not muted or low, it simply changes the audio channel on my tv card

[18:14:40]

Mandors:

you know like microphone, line in etc on a normal soundcard (when recording)

[18:14:47]

tank-man:

oh

[18:15:13]

Mandors:

its really weird

[18:17:02]

tank-man:

GreyFoxx, why would the telnet command call the script? i'm thinking he should use irexec to call the script, that changes channel with telnet and fixes his audio

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GreyFoxx:

tank-man: Noone had said anything about IRexec

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GreyFoxx:

tank-man: The script being talked about was the channel change script which myth would use to change the channel

[18:18:53]

cheeseboy:

hi

[18:18:57]

GreyFoxx:

but IRexec doing it might be an ok option as long as the script waits long enough to reset the sound

[18:19:01]

tank-man:

but using irexec would work, no?

[18:19:14]

cheeseboy:

i got lirc installed and my remote to work in the test thing

[18:19:14]

fugu:

2007-03–10 13:15:06.657 XMLParse::LoadTheme using /usr/share/mythtv/themes/MythCenter/ui.xml

[18:19:14]

fugu:

X Error: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) 10

[18:19:14]

fugu:

Major opcode: 142

[18:19:15]

fugu:

Minor opcode: 5

[18:19:15]

fugu:

Resource id: 0x800009

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fugu:

look familiar?

[18:19:28]

fugu:

I got yelled at by greyfoxx

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fugu:

thx tank-man

[18:19:33]

cheeseboy:

how do i get it to work with mythtv?

[18:19:39]

stuarta:

yes you said that an hour ago

[18:19:47]

tank-man:

lol

[18:19:51]

GreyFoxx:

fugu: If you consider that being yelled at, you need to develope a thicker skin :)

[18:20:00]

stuarta:

btw yelling is in capitals

[18:20:01]

fugu:

Okay, not being yelled at

[18:20:14]

fugu:

but I can tell when I am not wanted :-)

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tank-man:

cheeseboy, make a ~/.lircrc file and sym link it to ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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tank-man:

use irrecord to make the lircrc file if im not mistaken

[18:21:00]

fugu:

I am SOL?

[18:21:35]

fugu:

Happens with both OpenGL and QT painters

[18:21:51]

stuarta:

fugu: is there any reason you are using the old nvidia drivers?

[18:21:59]

GreyFoxx:

fugu: Personally only time I've ever had that happen was with mplayer, on and old version of X with sh*tty intel drivers

[18:22:01]

fugu:

because I have an old nvidia card?

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fugu:

I have been using mythtv for awhile and this is a semi-new thing

[18:22:38]

fugu:

started happening in the fall

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fugu:

maybe since .20 not sure tho

[18:23:22]

tank-man:

what is legacy-nvidia drivers? the open source ones?

[18:23:41]

Mandors:

tank-man: no old drivers

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fugu:

no I think they are nvidia drivers just for older cards

[18:23:54]

Mandors:

tank-man: same old drivers were used to just for older cards

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stuarta:

if the card is that old why not use the latest open source drivers...

[18:24:20]

tank-man:

doesnt the latest binary drivers from nvidia work with all their video cards?

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Mandors:

tank-man: nopes

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fugu:

do the opensource drivers provide OpenGL acceleration?

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GreyFoxx:

tank-man: No, latest even drops the mx440's

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stuarta:

what card are we talking about here anyway?

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Mandors:

fugu, nopes, some are however working on some with DRI

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Mandors:

still in early stages and does not work yet

[18:27:36]

fugu:

what is the best way to tell what card I have? dmesg doesnt seem to give anything helpful

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Ribs:

lspci ?

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fugu:

NVIDIA Corporation NV15DDR [GeForce2 Ti]

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fugu:

from xorg.conf

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fugu:

lscpi doesnt show it

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fugu:

no it does

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fugu:

nevermind

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fugu:

is the "nv" driver the opensource one you are referring to stuarta?

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stuarta:

um, think so, somebody correct me if i'm wrong...

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juski:

nah you're not wrong

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fugu:

I will try to use the open-source one, I was under the impression that it doesn't provide any hardware acceleration at all tho

[18:42:16]

fugu:

not that it really matters

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fugu:

as long as I can still use svideo output

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stuarta:

research is required.

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ryanr23:

Can anyone help me figure out WHY when I transcode a 4GB nuv to mpeg2 for DVD, the file shrinks to 2 GB? I wouldn't mind... but the resultant DVD is jerky

[18:52:49]

Mandors:

made a very dirty solution now... endless loop running a command each 10 sec when i start up the frontend, seams that will do

[18:55:56]

fugu:

ok well changing the driver to nv seems to make the problem go away but now I have a blue line going horizontally through my video playback

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fugu:

using xvmc or libmpeg playback

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stuarta:

above it or right through the middle

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fugu:

pretty much through the middle

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fugu:

maybe about 5 pixels thick... hard to tell

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stuarta:

can't say i've seen that before

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fugu:

and if I use the opengl painter I don't get anything on the screen

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juski:

the nv driver doesn't provide XvMC, fer sure

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fugu:

maybe I have something misconfigured then

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fugu:

is VideoOutputXv: parts of output xvmc?

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juski:

nope

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juski:

xvmc is for helping play back mpeg2

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juski:

X Video Motion Compensation :)

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juski:

whereas Xv is simply X Video

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fugu:

if "nv" driver doesnt provide playback with xvmc does mythtv fallback to libmpeg automatically?

[19:01:32]

juski:

IIRC it does

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fugu:

shouldn't I be seeing something with the OpenGL painter even if it is software accelerated?

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Ribs:

fugu, software opengl is not nice

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Ribs:

it take an *age* for mythtv to draw anything

[19:04:44]

fugu:

I don't necessarily want to use it

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fugu:

just want to make sure I have my xorg.conf setup correctly, or there isn't some nasty glx thing leftover

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fugu:

from the nvidia drivers

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juski:

I've never held any stay in the nv drivers

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fugu:

I just want it to work reliably, I don't really care which drivers I use

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laga:

juski: No s100 hacking today :/

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fugu:

heh I crashed the X server trying to use opengl

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fugu:

weird

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fugu:

yah it displays the loading progress bar but the background goes black... no error messages tho

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W6SN:

juski: would anyone else you think be interested in a new search drop down box on mythweb's recorded programs to sort by date?

[19:12:03]

W6SN:

err, search by date

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stuarta:

how do you propose that works?

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W6SN:

when you go to /tv/recorded, it presents a third box at the top for Date

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W6SN:

and shows by default today

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W6SN:

(really only intended for people who have _many_ recordings)

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stuarta:

so sort by recording date.

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stuarta:

(airdate) technically

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W6SN:

that doens't work really for us :)

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W6SN:

we have > 1000 recordings

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W6SN:

that recorded page takes forever

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W6SN:

so i broke it out by date completely

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W6SN:

i'm just wondering if anyone else would be interested... i'd send a patch

[19:15:23]

stuarta:

have a chat with xris when he turns up

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W6SN:

ah, ok

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tank-man:

over 1000 recordings, wow

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tank-man:

what bitrate/codec you use?

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stuarta:

that's a lotta tv.

[19:17:10]

W6SN:

but we need to be able to search through them by date/time

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W6SN:

352x288

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W6SN:

damn

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W6SN:

my son is crawling all over my laptop and arms

[19:17:31]

W6SN:

sorry

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laga:

put the laptop away and entertain him.

[19:18:17]

W6SN:

i am actually.

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W6SN:

multi tasking.

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** stuarta goes off to do some cooking **

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** laga fights udev **

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tank-man:

go back to 2.4 kernel and you dont have to fight udev :)

[19:19:55]

tank-man:

lol

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laga:

tank-man: heh

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laga:

no, i want it to start rbackup when i plug in my backup disk. it's actually a problem with my bash scripting skills, but bashing udev is quite hip these days

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cheeseboy:

hi. (:

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jd86:

Anyone know what libartsc.so.0 is? (package name of sorts?)

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laga:

libartsc0-dev: usr/lib/libartsc.so

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laga:

on ubunut

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laga:

off-topic, but i need to background a whole code block in bash, how would i do that?

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jd86:

hmm, I'm using gentoo. libartsc sounds like its related to arts?

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laga:

oh, right. i was gonna say it's related to alsa, yes

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laga:

to the alsa lib, to be more specific

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jd86:

alsa lib, lets see what I don't have :)

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jd86:

I know what happened.

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laga:

jd86: PEBKAC? )

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laga:

:)

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jd86:

I imagine its because i didn't disable arts when ./configuring

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laga:

i've also found out how to detach whole code blocks. you just turn them into functions and run "function %%%55&" ;)

[19:56:26]

jd86:

for mythtv

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laga:

oh, so it's arts

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jd86:

i thinkso, i'm compiling away

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jd86:

we'll know soon

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jd86:

but I've been googling and most things refer to arts.

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jd86:

whats the purpose of arts these days anyway, I thought the whole purpose was for duplex sound, but alsa/and cards can usually do that eh?

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oblib:

Sorry to interrupt, but I have a myth question: Is there any way to set up a transcode that compresses the video, but copies the audio (i.e. keeps AC3)?

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laga:

that functionality was put into an alsa plugin called "dmix"

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laga:

oblib: look at the output of mythtranscode --help to see if it can be done a all. if not, you'll have to write an user job involving ffmpeg and friends

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oblib:

hmm, mythtranscode requests a 'profile' which I assume is the same as what you set up in the GUI. However, I couldn't find a way to do it in the GUI.

[20:02:13]

oblib:

laga, can you use ffmpeg and still get mythtv to use the output file (have it show up under 'recordings')?

[20:02:24]

jd86:

Is there a way in mythweb to set where recordings live? I don't have mythweb on same box as backend(s)

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laga:

oblib: yes, by replacing the old file or by modifying the "basename" field in the database. you'll als have to run mythtranscode --rebuild or whatever it's called on that file

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oblib:

laga, --buildindex?

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juski:

mythcommflag ftw, oblib

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laga:

oh sorry.

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laga:

i meant mythcommflag actually.

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oblib:

why would I run mythcommflag on my transcoded video (assuming I don't care about commercials)? Does it do something to the database?

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jd86:

i can't seem to find where libartsc.so.0 comes from, i have arts and all

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laga:

yes, it rebuilds the seektable in the DB afaik

[20:11:33]

laga:

quite important

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laga:

afk.

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cheeseboy:

mike3_ u there?

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jams:

laga, did you get your bash question figured out?

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jams:

nevermind I see he went afk

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Dibblah:

Dumb question: Firstly, does anyone know if gestures are actually linked up?

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jd86:

ah fixed itself.

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jams:

Dibblah- only on the menu screens

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Dibblah:

Sure – That's where I need it ATM :)

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Dibblah:

So, what _are_ the gestures? ;)

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jams:

none of the plugins or settings screen work with mouse gestures

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Dibblah:

Back would be nice for the moment...

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Dibblah:

I will be looking at populating support for it.

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Dibblah:

Since I now have a nice touchscreen in the kitchen.

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jams:

back is left mouse button and move mouse to left

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** Dibblah is stupid. **

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Dibblah:

And needs to read the source first.

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Dibblah:

Then ask less dumb questions :)

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jams:

i don't think they are all hooked up, but I know that one works

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jams:

if your using a touch screen, then the rest should just work by touch

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cheeseboy:

can someone help me configure lirc for mythtv?

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Dibblah:

jams: <hopeful>Even plugins? </hopeful>

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cheeseboy:

please

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Dibblah:

cheeseboy: Which guide are you following?

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cheeseboy:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC_on_Ubuntu_Edgy_Eft

[20:39:22]

Dibblah:

And what's not working?

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cheeseboy:

it works theres just not much on configuring buttons

[20:41:09]

Dibblah:

The bottom of http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_LIRC_for_MythTV

[20:41:25]

Dibblah:

should be appropriate.

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cheeseboy:

i still cnt do it

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cheeseboy:

ugh it doesnt mae sense

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nomin:

I'm using ffmpeg to convert nuv's...

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nomin:

but I get this error message in some of them: "Marker bit missing before time_increment_resolution"

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nomin:

what is causes this?

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nomin:

another error I got in a video is this: "illegal chroma format097.3 bitrate= 993.0kbits/s" and "only rectangular vol supported" "time_base.den==0" "header damaged"

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cheeseboy:

mike3_ where are u?

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jd86:

what are these kde development packages which mythplugin's mythbrowser wants

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juski:

jd86: dependencies :)

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kormoc:

jd86, mythbrowser uses embedded khtml, thus the dependencies

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jd86:

juski, yeah, wondering what they were... but then realized its quite a list and I'll do it later.

[21:07:45]

jd86:

I'll do it once I get a wireless keyboard :)

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juski:

tried mythbrowser once.. oops twice. once, then uninstalled it, then again for my promo vid

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jd86:

I get to setup a slave backend. I should start reading, because I'm assuming it is the same as setting up master backend but instead put master backend ip in there. I should read up on it and make sure :)

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jd86:

ah, so there is some setup (the video sources) which needs to be on master.

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juski:

jd86: you're catching on :)

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juski:

I set up a temp slave backend at xmas to spread the recording load

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juski:

you dont actually need to set up a new source on the master

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juski:

basically just set the slave up as you just said :)

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jd86:

ah, alright

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jd86:

i was just reading the docs

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jd86:

and it said the sources needed to be setup on master.

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jd86:

OOH iw as misreading

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kormoc:

mythfilldatabase needs to be run on the master, aye

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Regner:

arg, can any one tell me where to find a guide or something on getting the pvr-500 working, i cant get mythtv to see it

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juski:

Regner: www.ivtvdriverg.org

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juski:

or even www.ivtvdriver.org

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juski:

you need to test it before even entertaining the idea of using it with mythtv

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juski:

or you can use google with "$yourdistro_name ivtv howto"

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Regner:

how do i test it

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juski:

read the docs at ivtvdriver.org

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Regner:

this is a backend, no x server

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juski:

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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juski:

OOPS!

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juski:

you need an X server to set up mythtv, so get installing it

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Regner:

no i dont

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juski:

yes you do

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Regner:

i just run it over ssh

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jd86:

i use ssh x forwarding to do mine

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Regner:

yea

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Regner:

that one

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juski:

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmh!

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Regner:

i just dont know how to test it

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juski:

so it's still an X server, just forwarded over ssh

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juski:

ffs

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juski:

what you probably meant was, there's no videocard / monitor on the backend :)

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xris:

Regner: the part of X that draws the windows, etc. is the client.

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Regner:

yea, but the server dosnt have totem or such

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Regner:

so i cant figure out how to test it

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juski:

Regner: like I said, read the ivtv driver docs

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juski:

they tell you how to test it

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Regner:

see, if i run "cat /dev/video0 | xine stdin://mpeg2 &" to test it, it says command not found because server dosnt have xine

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jd86:

now, i plan to use a frontend on same machine as this slave backend, is there anyway to make it use a local tuner (to this slave backend/frontend setup) instead of going to master?

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Regner:

mean*

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juski:

e.g. you share /testdir over nfs, right? then you do cat /dev/video0 > /testdir/pvrtest.mpg

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Regner:

i have some shared with smb

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jd86:

juski, would scp be easier?

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juski:

jd86: not necessarily

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jd86:

okay

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juski:

these comedians trying to do stuff the hard way.. eesh I dunno

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juski:

Regner: NFS/samba/whatever – no matter so long as you can access the test file on the machine with xine/mplayer & a video display :)

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Regner:

ok

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juski:

or if you really feel like sailing 4 sheets to the wind, cat to a test file then do ffmpeg -i $filename on it & see if what it outputs (stream parameters) looks sensible

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Regner:

ok

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jd86:

wow I'm happy i got rid of that 40GB older drive, it was enough to keep me up at night heh

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juski:

Regner: but bear in mind the ffmpeg -i test will not be able to give an impression of how good the video looks!

[21:25:05]

juski:

" want to say thank you for taking the time to do such a thorough and

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juski:

professional job – and for sharing this with the rest of us. "

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** juski blushes **

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nomin:

"Marker bit missing before time_increment_resolution=1335.4kbits/s" <-----what does this mean?

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juski:

heh.. see if I had one of them for every 200 people I see whine in here I'd be a happier man all the time

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juski:

wb gbee

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juski:

nomin: where are you seeing that?

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jd86:

juski, well.. I can certainly say that I have been pleasantly surprised with mythtv's amazing ability to be so incredibly awesome... and its amazing the work that the devs do...

[21:27:08]

nomin:

juski: I'm using ffmpeg to convert .nuv's to mp4's. I'm only getting it with some videos.

[21:27:24]

nomin:

*I'm only getting that error with some of the videos

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juski:

jd86: goes without saying that some praise for everybody who puts the time in wouldn't go amiss

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juski:

there's not enough of it around

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juski:

nomin: that might be more of an ffmpeg question, not mythtv...

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nomin:

ok

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jd86:

And seeing the other side of software (proprietary junk ... bad experiences) it amazes me what I can get for free (including this amazing chat)

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juski:

last night I was doing a bit of a google trawl & I was still flabberghasted to see that mythtv is still regarded as 'evil' in some quarters

[21:30:18]

jd86:

juski, why?

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gbee:

I like this man, he asks the right question

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juski:

the majority of the nay-sayers have been bitten by hardware compatibility issues by the look of it

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jd86:

what does hardware compat have to do with mythtv?

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juski:

ding!

[21:31:11]

juski:

exactly

[21:31:41]

gbee:

ahh the old I can't install a tuner card, so Mythtv must suck!

[21:31:59]

jd86:

Ah well, I guess it will take time... but my understanding is that half of the problems with not having drivers is because manufacturers do not release specs (but I could be wrong), but regardless mythtv doesn't write tuner drivers.

[21:32:15]

juski:

yeah the old 'I couldn't be bothered to do a spot of research & ended up failing to make mythtv work with it' snafu

[21:32:32]

cheeseboy:

i didn't like it becuse i couldnt seup msql

[21:33:09]

jd86:

well I hear talk of embedded mysql on the -dev... right? that will probably help out some people who have trouble setting up mysql (or am I misreading what I've read?)

[21:33:11]

gbee:

well at least mysql shouldn't be a problem forever

[21:33:12]

cheeseboy:

but now i got it

[21:33:30]

juski:

packagers could do more to help with that

[21:34:11]

gbee:

jd86: no you heard it right, of course talking about it and doing it are two different things, but I think there's a good chance it will be done sooner rather than later

[21:34:22]

cheeseboy:

i still cant get this remote to work

[21:34:28]

juski:

the debian & ubuntu packages actually DO try & make setting up the db as invisible as possible but when it goes wrong.. oh boy

[21:34:31]

jd86:

setting up mythtv on gentoo is pretty straightforward if you're familiar with gentoo enough, but I also think some people might have problems with mythtv in general because they see someone using it, and expect to be able to put in a cd and just have it work right off the bat. and i think those people are probably windows people.

[21:35:11]

juski:

jd86: yeah and only freaks like me rtfm before even touching a download link

[21:35:18]

cheeseboy:

can someone help me setup i remote?

[21:35:18]

nomin:

oh cool, I just discovered that mplayer can play .nuv's just fine.

[21:35:33]

nomin:

:-D

[21:36:15]

juski:

cheeseboy: I dunno. depends what you're having trouble with

[21:36:15]

jd86:

now, I've been thinking... i saw in mythmusic that there is some form of albumart thing, but I've been wondering if there will ever be support to fetch them automagically from amazon (i think amaroK uses amazon) or elseware?

[21:36:51]

juski:

jd86: there are plenty of 3rd party tools to grab album art

[21:37:12]

juski:

I've been meaning to try & find out if mythmusic can read art embedded in the id3 tags

[21:37:12]

gbee:

jd86: you've been watching the -dev channel ;) xris was just mentioning that

[21:37:18]

jd86:

ah, I'll have to check them out. My music is all messed up with wrong tags on them and all over the place... i should work on that fast

[21:37:34]

jd86:

gbee, i try to watch -dev, but i work and go to school full time so my actual reading of it is limited to those that catch my eye.

[21:37:45]

jd86:

but I haven't seen that specifically.

[21:38:20]

juski:

it's gonna be a long time before any embedded db stuff happens though – there's a lot of work to pave the way for it

[21:39:14]

jd86:

well maybe one day ... in the far future... when I actually learn how to program (I could say in something else than Java, but that is still basic... I'm going to school for csci major, but in first year)

[21:40:07]

jd86:

oh i just totally lost my train of thought on that one

[21:40:17]

jd86:

I mean to say maybe one day I could be useful and contribute to mythtv (but that is far from now).

[21:40:38]

juski:

from what I've been able to tell so far, I think Itunes puts album art down when I covert CDs

[21:40:42]

gbee:

yeah I don't mean to give the wrong impression when I say sooner rather than later, I'm talking in terms of development cycles and I don't mean next week or even next month

[21:40:44]

juski:

*convert

[21:41:02]

cheeseboy:

can someone please help me setup remote?

[21:41:06]

juski:

jd86: you don't have to be able to code to contribute

[21:41:08]

cheeseboy:

i can't do it

[21:41:10]

juski:

cheeseboy: I dunno. depends what you're having trouble with

[21:41:13]

juski:

cheeseboy: I dunno. depends what you're having trouble with

[21:41:19]

juski:

did you get it that time?

[21:41:56]

** jams places bets on no. **

[21:42:01]

cheeseboy:

i got the remote to work

[21:42:19]

cheeseboy:

but can't get it to work with mythtv

[21:42:33]

juski:

suddenly stuff becomes clearer

[21:43:07]

jd86:

juski, :)

[21:43:16]

juski:

cheeseboy: mythtv needs a file called 'lircrc' so it knows which buttons do what. you put the lircrc file in your home dir, within the .mythtv dir that lives in your home dir

[21:43:41]

jd86:

gbee, the last -dev message I got was back at 11:00AM.

[21:43:56]

juski:

FYI the contents of this 'lircrc' file are similar to the contents of the .lircrc file which is documented at www.lirc.org

[21:44:41]

juski:

google, and indeed the mythtv wiki will find you example lircrc files for your remote to work with mythtv

[21:45:03]

juski:

cheeseboy: do you see how clarifying your question helped me answer it? ;)

[21:46:18]

** juski wonders wtf has happened to Mr. Hyde **

[21:47:46]

cheeseboy:

juski whats the path of the directory?

[21:48:02]

jams:

anybody happen to have some 800x600 or 1280x720 images with 5/10/15/20% overscan marked on it ?

[21:48:27]

gbee:

~/.mythtv/

[21:48:34]

juski:

cheeseboy: /your/home/directory/.mythtv

[21:49:00]

juski:

the shortcut to /home/$youruser is usually ~/ as gbee pointed out :)

[21:49:00]

gbee:

/home/cheeseboy/.mythtv/

[21:49:32]

juski:

the dir you use should actually be the home dir of the user mythfrontend runs as

[21:49:37]

** jams takes that as a no **

[21:49:55]

juski:

jams: I've kinda got a 1280x720 one

[21:50:01]

tpdd:

is anyone having trouble connecting to Zap2it while grabbing listing information?

[21:50:09]

juski:

I can knock some up for you jams – no trouble

[21:50:20]

jams:

that would be great

[21:50:27]

juski:

gimme a few mins

[21:51:12]

jams:

i was thinking of setting up some imagemagick stuff to handle the non-standard formats. But I don't feel like doing it right now =)

[21:51:39]

juski:

jams they'll come in handy for putting in the theme design guide too ;)

[21:51:44]

jams:

yep

[21:51:47]

cheeseboy:

should it be an empty folder?

[21:52:08]

jams:

there are two on the wiki, but they are ugly

[21:52:43]

jams:

my plan is to use them as backgrounds for when the "test X configuration" button is pressed

[21:52:52]

cheeseboy:

?

[21:53:42]

jams:

cheeseboy- ~/.mythtv should be a directory. it may or may not have files in it

[21:54:02]

jams:

the lircrc file should be in ~/.mythtv

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gbee:

isn't there a wiki page we can point him at?

[21:54:44]

jams:

should be in the official docs as well

[21:54:58]

cheeseboy:

i dont have that folder in my usrname directory

[21:55:14]

Dibblah:

cheeseboy: Well, create it then ;)

[21:55:14]

cheeseboy:

its in just home but wont let me write to it

[21:55:24]

gbee:

then make it

[21:55:52]

jams:

cheeseboy- it should be in the home dir of whatever user you run mythfrontend as

[21:56:46]

cheeseboy:

i cant do this

[21:58:21]

juski:

maybe you have to be root to make dirs in /home ;)

[21:58:43]

cheeseboy:

i just give up

[21:58:57]

cheeseboy:

ima endup smashin my comp

[21:59:47]

juski:

now *that* is not the attitude to take if you ever want to succeed

[21:59:59]

juski:

calm down & take a breather

[22:00:13]

cheeseboy:

well ive wasted 2 wholedaystryn to get this to work

[22:00:13]

juski:

throwing a strop isn't going to win you any sympathy here

[22:00:50]

jd86:

Is there a way to set mythtv to a theme without using the gui?

[22:00:52]

jams:

juski hehehe sounds like the kid in that video you subtitled

[22:01:41]

jams:

jd86- mythfrontend -O Theme=blue

[22:01:54]

jams:

or just change the value in the settings table of the database

[22:02:28]

cheeseboy:

why is it freezin my comp too?

[22:03:38]

jd86:

this is weird... its like make install didn't copy some things

[22:03:48]

jd86:

jams, thanks

[22:04:01]

juski:

jams: www.juski.co.uk/800x600markers.png and www.juski.co.uk/1280x720markers.png

[22:04:11]

jams:

jd86- btw "blue" can be any theme name

[22:04:35]

jams:

juski- awesome!

[22:04:42]

jams:

thank you

[22:04:42]

jd86:

jams, yeah, but it didn't do what I was hoping... i thought my theme was messed up, but aparently some files (including programs) weren't "installed" with make install

[22:05:00]

juski:

jd86: sudo make install, ftw!

[22:05:25]

jd86:

now i really borked it, but make install didn't copy mythbackend, mythfrontend but it did copy some

[22:05:25]

juski:

or su, then make install, ftw!

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cheeseboy:

mythtv is eting my harddrive

[22:07:02]

cheeseboy:

eating*

[22:07:14]

jd86:

hard drives are tasty

[22:07:37]

** juski makes a note of the fact that mythtv melts cheese **

[22:07:37]

cheeseboy:

its already used 40 gigs and i havnt recorded anything

[22:07:45]

** jams wonders if this is ubunta or gentoo **

[22:07:51]

cheeseboy:

ubuntu

[22:07:57]

juski:

cheeseboy: have you used livetv?

[22:08:13]

cheeseboy:

i pressed watch tv

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juski:

cos livetv is recording stuff :)

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juski:

all the time, eating your HDD space, never stopping

[22:09:04]

cheeseboy:

why..?

[22:09:06]

juski:

well until you quit watching TV & myth expires the temp. recordings

[22:09:16]

juski:

;)

[22:09:27]

juski:

why?

[22:09:50]

juski:

how on Earth do you suppose mythtv gives you the ability to rewind and pause tv if it isn't recording it somehow?

[22:09:53]

cheeseboy:

its not clearing them

[22:09:59]

juski:

it will

[22:10:05]

cheeseboy:

when?

[22:10:08]

jd86:

it does it when you're least expecting it

[22:10:27]

cheeseboy:

?

[22:10:29]

juski:

in the case of short recordings, almost immediately

[22:10:40]

jams:

short being less then 2 minutes

[22:10:59]

juski:

or in the case of longer ones, longer than a few minutes, in about 24 hours or when you start to get low on HDD space whichever is sooner

[22:11:45]

juski:

I'll leave you to moan about that while I go watch Heroes

[22:12:15]

cheeseboy:

this sucks

[22:12:22]

jd86:

why?

[22:12:34]

cheeseboy:

nothing works

[22:12:37]

cheeseboy:

right

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juski:

not time yet

[22:15:12]

juski:

anyway

[22:15:13]

juski:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRF7LKM47uA

[22:15:20]

juski:

muhahaha

[22:16:00]

cheeseboy:

so if i wanna watch tv i have do go and delete what ive watched every so often?

[22:16:17]

jd86:

cheeseboy, I believe mythtv will expire (delete) them eventually

[22:16:37]

juski:

it will

[22:17:30]

juski:

although if you want to , you can delete them yourself – but there should be no need

[22:18:11]

juski:

cheeseboy: what user do you normally run mythfrontend as?

[22:18:27]

cheeseboy:

me

[22:18:37]

jd86:

I think i may have gone overboard with recording storage now. (although in a few weeks I'll be wanting more). (780GB on MBE and 300GB on SBE)

[22:19:03]

juski:

e.g. ls -a

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juski:

linux 101 ^^^^^

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high-rez:

hahahaha

[22:20:32]

gbee:

cheeseboy: mythtv will automatically delete livetv recordings when it needs the space for new stuff

[22:20:52]

cheeseboy:

can i change how much space it can use?

[22:21:04]

juski:

amazingly enough, yes

[22:21:15]

cheeseboy:

how?

[22:21:23]

juski:

by setting it of course

[22:21:41]

juski:

oh dear I'm being evil again – making you look in the docs – apologies

[22:22:43]

W6SN:

oh dear

[22:22:45]

W6SN:

you evil juski

[22:22:48]

** W6SN disappointed **

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cheeseboy:

ive looked in atleast 10 different docs

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juski:

okay – last thing I'm handing out on a plate tonight...

[22:23:57]

W6SN:

food?

[22:24:01]

jd86:

mythtv docs are amazing compared to other projects I've worked with, plus most distros seem to have comprehensive guides of their own.

[22:24:46]

cheeseboy:

it should be this difficult

[22:24:54]

juski:

in mythfrontend... utils/setup > setup > tv settings > general

[22:24:57]

cheeseboy:

shouldnt*

[22:25:22]

jd86:

cheeseboy, i should be a millionaire...

[22:25:23]

Dibblah:

cheeseboy: No, it shouldn't. So hack on it until it's not :)

[22:25:33]

juski:

the part you want is "extra disc space (in gigabytes)"

[22:25:49]

juski:

users should do their own research more

[22:25:52]

juski:

users should whine less

[22:25:59]

juski:

IRC should be more friendly

[22:26:04]

juski:

helpers should be more patient

[22:26:06]

juski:

;)

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high-rez:

i'm glad you're in such a helping mood juski. can you make my remote work for me now? thanks :)

[22:26:21]

** high-rez ducks **

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jd86:

juski, you should just offer a "give me your root password and ip, and let me fix it for you" service :)

[22:27:03]

juski:

jd86: for free? or for a ransom? i.e. pay up or I'll publish your ip & root password? ;)

[22:27:08]

high-rez:

spleinen fienen saugen mythen... WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGHHhh!

[22:27:38]

ryanr23:

Can anyone help me figure out why when I transcode for DVD (MythArchive), my 4GB file shrinks to 2GB? I wouldn't mind, but my DVDs are jerky...

[22:28:12]

juski:

right.. time for Heroes

[22:28:13]

jd86:

hmm well i have backend running on slave, configured it a bit prior to, but those tuners are showing up as unavailable hmm

[22:28:32]

juski:

have fun, cheeseboy – and chill out a bit for the love of $deity :)

[22:29:01]

juski:

remember you're only wasting time if you're not learning anything!

[22:29:31]

cheeseboy:

i don't care about learning just want it to work

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jd86:

aha! there it is

[22:31:05]

cheeseboy:

why is it when i install anything else mythtv compalains?

[22:32:16]

cheeseboy:

Setting up gfceu (0.5.0–0ubuntu2) ...

[22:32:16]

cheeseboy:

Errors were encountered while processing:

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cheeseboy:

mythtv-database

[22:32:16]

cheeseboy:

mythtv

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jams:

thats not mythtv complaining thats the package manager. Has nothing todo with mythtv

[22:34:11]

cheeseboy:

howcan it have nothing to so with mythtv?

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cheeseboy:

it says mythtv

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high-rez:

cheeseboy: echo 'mythtv'

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high-rez:

And then tell me what echo has to do with mythtv.

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hd420:

mythtv-setup isn't working

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cheeseboy:

whats the error?

[22:40:05]

hd420:

it's not a mythtv-setup error, I don't think

[22:40:29]

cheeseboy:

does the setup come up t all?

[22:40:30]

hd420:

the backend is headless, so I'm trying to access it over X

[22:40:36]

hd420:

nope

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hd420:

brb

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hd420_:

ok... it now comes up

[22:44:12]

hd420_:

Is there a command line setup tool?

[22:44:18]

hd420_:

X is slow and annoying

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jams:

a command line setup tool does not exisit (execpt for the mysql client)

[22:45:50]

GreyFoxx:

no there is not

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jams:

guess it's slow and annoying for you

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hd420_:

yes, it is

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jd86:

meh sound card ain't workin :( that could cause a problem :)

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Regner:

i am followin the guide at http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Debian, but when i do the command "module-assistant auto-install ivtv0.10" it fails and i get this error:

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Regner:

Errors were encountered while processing:

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Regner:

/usr/src/ivtv0.10-modules-2.6.18-4-amd64_0.10.1–1+2.6.18.dfsg.1–11_a md64.deb

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fiber0pti:

Is there a distro that packages MythTV in it? Like an ISO that automatically installs the OS and MythTV?

[23:30:07]

hd420_:

knopmyth fiber0pti

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fiber0pti:

ty

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fiber0pti:

hd420_: does it work well?

[23:31:04]

hd420_:

dunno

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J-e-f-f-A:

fiber0pti: There's also "MythDora"

[23:31:45]

fiber0pti:

Jeffa: which would you prefer?

[23:34:53]

fiber0pti:

heh. nod

[23:35:02]

fiber0pti:

looks like there is also Pluto

[23:38:40]

jd86:

:) I love it when it works.

[23:39:56]

juski:

knoppmyth – just to get the 'feel' ? I know a few people who'd be a bit pissed off at that!

[23:41:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

juski: Yeah, I'm sure it would... but I kept getting 'prebuffering pauses' with it... So I went with fedora... (I was a complete n00b then... ~2 yrs ago)

[23:41:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

about 2 yrs ago)

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gbee:

hmm, Five did some last minute rescheduling – seem to have recorded Grey's Anatomy instead of Law & Order

[23:44:00]

gbee:

no great loss, but strange

[23:45:29]

juski:

Heroes just keeps getting better

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jduggan_:

is heroes on UK televison?

[23:46:05]

juski:

cheeseboy: you given up yet?

[23:46:35]

juski:

jduggan_: yeah on scifi, but it's 4:3 on there :(

[23:46:55]

gbee:

sure it is, but I can rarely be bothered to watch something I haven't recorded these days – so until I get the NTL box hooked up I'll miss out on that

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juski:

always amuses me – all the talk of when HDTV is coming to the UK properly when 75% of channels are still 4:3

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jd86:

is mythmusic broken in svn? I'm getting these: 2007-03–10 19:59:31.205 Unable to initialize plugin 'mythmusic'. 2007-03–10 19:59:31.205 Unable to configure plugin 'mythmusic': not initialized

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gbee:

jd86: it's not broken, you need to recompile it after installing mythtv (it builds against the installed libraries)

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jd86:

gbee, I thought I did, although I did recompile the recompilation and so on and soforth, I will try that right now

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Tanthrix:

I apologize if this has been asked before, but what exactly needs to be done to make sure myth is good to go for the new DST change beyond updating your timezone files and such?

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