Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, March 9th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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juski:

my amp doesn't look like a dull box

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daviey:

does it have xmas tree lights?

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juski:

nope

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onewheelskyward:

What does a living room appliance look like?

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juski:

for one thing most HTPC cases are too damn big

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juski:

either too high or too deep

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onewheelskyward:

Agreed.

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darkion:

anyone else have problems with dct-2524 serial changer?

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dustybin:

juski: i agree. u can make the frontend a lot smaller if u have a seperate backend

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darkion:

mine was working untill yesterday

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dustybin:

this would make a lovely front end

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dustybin:

http://www.lian-li.com/Product/Chassis/Desktop/D_PC-C35.htm

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juski:

that's what attracted me to my little s100 box :)

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juski:

lose the front ports, I'd take 2

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juski:

oh and add an IR window

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juski:

they all miss the point :)

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dustybin:

thats a good idea

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dustybin:

IR window

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juski:

put the IR inside, put the USB/audio ports on the side

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onewheelskyward:

I'd vote for back. Side is too limiting for placement and cleanliness.

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juski:

this isn't bad: http://www.silverstonetek.com/products/lc19/frnt-view/LC19.jpg

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jams:

i used to think the atech cases were nice, but the more I look at them the uglier they get

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dustybin:

juski: until it overheats...

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juski:

but my epia board currently swims around in this: http://www.silverstonetek.com/products/lc02/frnt-view/lc02.jpg

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juski:

dustybin: my board uses about 22W peak

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dustybin:

nice

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juski:

so er... that first case would be no problem

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gbee:

I hate most of these media-pc cases

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darkion:

so when I try to use the dct-channel is says Communication failed after 5 tries

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dustybin:

gbee: whats wrong with a big old fashioned biege server case in the front room anyway?

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dustybin:

darkion ... well well well

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darkion:

:)

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waldo:

i suppose this isn't the place to ask for help when lircd dies after an apt-get upgrade

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gbee:

well I wouldn't mind one of the Asus Pundits, it's not purpose built for a media centre PC but IMHO it looks better and has the right sort of features for an unobtrusive frontend/backend

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juski:

waldo: you probably need to reinstall lirc – definitely if the upgrade changed the kernel version

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gbee:

not to mention it's cheaper than most of those other cases

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waldo:

damn. i'm not sure if i upgraded the kernel version or not

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waldo:

should have checked.

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juski:

lirc is er.. driver-based, so any change to the kernel means you have to rebuild it

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daviey:

juski, or load a module?

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juski:

that zalman case just screams BOY RACER at me

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juski:

daviey: depends how you get lirc doesn't it ;)

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waldo:

daviey: that was my thought.

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waldo:

especially since lsmod gives me this:

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waldo:

lirc_pvr150 20276 0

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waldo:

lirc_dev 16484 1 lirc_pvr150

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waldo:

but iw pukes. i know i solved this once before, but i'll be damned if i can remember what.

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juski:

irw pukes?

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waldo:

er, yes, irw.

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juski:

try catting /dev/lirc_pvr150 & press buttons on your remote

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juski:

if that spews out characters, then the driver is most likely kind of worky

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waldo:

interesting, all i have is /dev/lircd

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juski:

oops

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juski:

yeah that one, not the one I said

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waldo:

now i /know/ i've seen this before...

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juski:

oh wait

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waldo:

i need a /dev/lirc0

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juski:

shouldn't you have /dev/lirc0 too?

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waldo:

lircd is just a socket

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waldo:

juski: exactly

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waldo:

and i don't have one of those.

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juski:

or /dev/lirc/0

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gbee:

setserial

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juski:

maybe missing a /etc/lircd.conf ?

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gbee:

don't make me remember the syntax

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juski:

shouldn't need to do setserial for a pvr150 remote

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waldo:

gbee: it's okay, there's no setserial on my computer

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gbee:

ahh, wasn't paying attention

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waldo:

no worries

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gbee:

ignore me ;)

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juski:

btw gbee gonna start chipping away at that new patch o mine at the weekend

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juski:

does your offer of help still stand if I need it?

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gbee:

I tend to assume people are using a serial device when I see problems with lirc devices being missing

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gbee:

juski: sure

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waldo:

gbee: no, it's the ir device built in to a hauppauge pvr 150

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gbee:

I should be around

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gbee:

waldo: yep got that now ;)

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juski:

cool. I wanna show the guy who made the ticket what he made me do :)

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juski:

that & I feel for the other theme guys who'd have to update their stuff too

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daviey:

grr... i saw an awesome case the other day. Can't remember the name now

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juski:

is there any particular reason why the setup menus can't be scaled like the rest of the UI ?

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juski:

other than they're not written to I mean

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waldo:

ah, thank god for my del.icio.us bookmarks

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waldo:

http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=24 is the howto i used last time

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gbee:

juski: don't know of a specific reason

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juski:

it's never been a big deal to me but it'd just be *nice* to have em obey safe area rules at least ;)

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gbee:

just noticed the time, guess I should think about getting some sleep

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jams:

it's really annoying when QT pushes things off the screen

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juski:

it's friday! :)

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darkion:

anyone else have that problem?

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juski:

darkion: apparently not. try searching the mailing lists

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darkion:

I did that too

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darkion:

I searched and searched for hours

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juski:

ok try posting about it then :)

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darkion:

I was just making sure before I did

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gbee:

it's the wrong end of Friday

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darkion:

juski: where would I post that prob?

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juski:

I should think about heading off.. g'night gbee

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juski:

darkion: -users list

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darkion:

ok thanks juski

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jams:

man this thread on prescaling theme images is pointless

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juski:

they're right though – if rescaling was really going on it'd take way more than 5 seconds :)

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juski:

but I found it funny because my 1ghz frontend doesn't show those progress bars for that long when it loads mythfrontend

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jams:

sure, I don't have a problem with 3–5 emails on the topic.

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jams:

but the last few days have just been rehashing the same old stuff

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juski:

wooo yeah

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juski:

nicer if it was silver though

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juski:

that's what I mean by a livingroom appliance :)

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daviey:

yeah

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daviey:

it doesn't look like it *could* ever be a pc

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juski:

bah where's the IR window?

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onewheelskyward:

Aah, you like the lights and buttons. :)

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dustybin:

imagine how cool it would be if u could sit back in your sofa and use your remote control to flick through and watch youtube videos full screen

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GreyFoxx:

I like the look of that one

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GreyFoxx:

daviey: know the price of it ?

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daviey:

juski, good point – dremmel time

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juski:

dustybin: just get some coloured tracing paper, cut it into squares & get somebody to move the pieces around really fast in front of your eyes

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daviey:

i did find a price a while ago, cheaper than silverstones

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dustybin:

heheh

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jams:

some peopel on the avsforum had a "powerbuy" on the hipercase

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jams:

or at least they talked about it

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daviey:

powerbuy? group bulk?

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juski:

I might one day try something with an old USB keyboard & some buttons

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jams:

daviey- yes

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juski:

we get prototype cases made for our DVRs & they're cheaper than silverstone boxes

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juski:

biggest cost is the tooling

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daviey:

jams, i might join them

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daviey:

i do like it

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jams:

daviey- it was a while ago, no idea if it's still open

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daviey:

linky?

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juski:

the basic hipermedia case is like 40 quid or so

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black_Nightmare:

hey

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daviey:

that really is a bargain IMHO

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juski:

no IR window though

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juski:

they're missing a trick

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daviey:

juski, but having it as an 'option' must put it somewhere; i'm sure they don't make it external;

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black_Nightmare:

just curious but ir verus rf for remotes?

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black_Nightmare:

(seeing ati has rf and others sometimes are ir instead etc so me wondering if its just distance difference or more)

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daviey:

rf won't need direct line of sight

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juski:

yeah but my OFA-6 can't do RF, and I love only needing one remote

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daviey:

but less compatibility with remotes, so if it breaks gets boring

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black_Nightmare:

hmm ok..brb (to look at wiki list of remotes)

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jams:

daviey- http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php . . . =1&pp=30

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jams:

look towards the end of the thread

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jams:

daviey- are you in the USA?

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daviey:

i was halfway through that thread

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daviey:

naaa, uk

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jams:

ah, then it may not apply to you. Most of the powerbuys I have seen for that case if for USA people

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daviey:

oic

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jams:

mostly because there isn'st USA retailer for it

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daviey:

misses is nagging me; good night all

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juski:

eep.. almost 1am

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juski:

g'night all too

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black_Nightmare:

heh I like that sony rm-vl710 remote...not cluttered with useless complex buttons

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black_Nightmare:

hmm to see if its still for sale or discounted fully..

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black_Nightmare:

hm..just a few

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black_Nightmare:

is hauppauge the only one with encoder onboard or am I wrong? (looking at faimilar names here.. ati, hauppauge, etc)

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W6SN:

where does one set the filename 'pattern' for nuvexport?

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simcop2387-tv:

black_Nightmare, there are other hardware encoders, but i forget what ones they are, hauppauge ones work great though

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ekay:

i, for the life of me can't get recordings to auto transcode

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ekay:

commflag, and all user jobs will get put into the jobqueue

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ekay:

but no transcode

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black_Nightmare:

hmmmm.. hauppauge says 1.2ghz or faster..I hope thats only for video edit and it'll capture fine on a slight-sub-1ghz

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ekay:

even though i do have transcode set on the recording...

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ekay:

any ideas?

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ekay:

im running the backend with -v most, and there doesnt seem to be any indication of when a job in inserted into the job queue

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ekay:

just the periodic statusing of the jobqueue

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ekay:

is there some channel settings that prevent transcoding like it can for commflag?

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briand:

ekay: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7202

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ekay:

i have that checked

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ekay:

that option just makes all new recordings default to transcode right?

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ekay:

+---------------+------+----------+

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ekay:

| value | data | hostname |

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ekay:

+---------------+------+----------+

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ekay:

| AutoTranscode | 1 | NULL |

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ekay:

+---------------+------+----------+

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briand:

what version of mythtv are you running?

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ekay:

trunk

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ekay:

Last Changed Rev: 12952

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briand:

i'm not at my (myth) machine right now... but I thought that transcoding was now set per recording-group

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ekay:

hrmmmmm

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shodan:

how can I change recording group when I'm in "Delete recordings" (I want to manually delete programs from the "Live TV" group)

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gurft:

ugh, my neighbor got cable, and amazingly mine stopped working just minutes after teh guy started the install...

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nero:

is it possible to build a frontend-only build of mythtv?

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CyberKnet:

gah.

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CyberKnet:

I haven't done a yum update in forever

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CyberKnet:

and I'm on FC :|

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CyberKnet:

FC4, that is.

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cesman:

nero: yes

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nero:

cesman, do you know the configure command to do so?

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cesman:

./configure --help

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nero:

cesman, ./configure --help lists no disabling option for the backend.

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cesman:

./configure --disable-backend

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nero:

Unknown option "--disable-backend".

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cesman:

works fine here

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nero:

svn?

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cesman:

using the latest -fixes

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nero:

ahh.. this is svn..

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adante:

just checked the gentoo ebuild... it also uses --disable-backend (for when USE=frontendonly)

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hjohnson:

you know... an apple tv could make a nice mythfrontend, if it can be hacked..

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jams:

nero- that option is not supported. it's intent is to help porting to other OS'

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nero:

jams, what if I have a machine that will only be a frontend? Why build the backend as well?

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hjohnson:

nero: you need a backend.

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nero:

hjohnson, I have a backend in the other room.. All I want on this machine (my office computer) is the frontend so I could pull up a game or something on TV..

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hjohnson:

ahh.

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hjohnson:

nero: there's work being done on streaming from mythwe

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nero:

hjohnson, yeah.. but thats not what I want either.. just a frontend to run on this machine.. if I compile the whole shebang, the backend is never used on this machine, only the frontend.. so I'd just rather not sit through the compiling of the backend since it wont be used.

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killermach__:

can someone point me to info to get my PVR350 working in linux?

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hjohnson:

killermach__: google for ivtv

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killermach__:

hjohnson: thanks. I found ivtvdriver.org, just don't have a qualifying kernel .. I have 2.6.12

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hjohnson:

killermach__: time to update, for sure..

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sandeen_:

does adding movies to your netflix queue via mythflix work for anyone?

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killermach__:

hmm.. mandriva doesn't show a newer kernel, how awful

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hjohnson:

killermach__: just build your own?

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killermach__:

hjohnson: yeah.. gonna have to :)

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killermach__:

but I'd prefer to start w/ an updated distro

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hjohnson:

would be a good ideal

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hjohnson:

gah, I burned the roof of my mouth.. i hate it when I do this

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sandeen_:

mmmm stringy strips of flesh

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hjohnson:

pizza

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planktonboy:

hi all

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planktonboy:

does anyone have an idea what I could do to fix this

[04:32:51]

planktonboy:

I have checked my archive dir permissions and i think they are ok

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planktonboy:

and is the dvd-rw supposed to eject briefly and then reinsert before growisofs tries to burn it

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livingtm:

is there any way to add a menu item "show/browse new recordings"?

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jams:

planktonboy- yes that can occur some times, it's just "loading" the media

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ratbert90:

hey, could anybody explain why /dev/lirc keeps disappearing upon reboot?

[04:56:55]

ratbert90:

this is getting really annoying. :(

[04:57:38]

onewheelskyward:

ratbert90: Did you add the lirc module to your autoloader?

[04:57:44]

ratbert90:

yep

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ratbert90:

it loads lirc_i2c and lirc_dev on boot

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onewheelskyward:

how do you get past it? Create it manually?

[05:00:17]

ratbert90:

I have to recompile lirc every time

[05:00:24]

onewheelskyward:

oi, that sucks.

[05:00:28]

ratbert90:

then it works, for a bit, until I start mythtv

[05:00:31]

ratbert90:

then it stops again

[05:00:57]

ratbert90:

lircd -n and then irw kills lircd, with a could not open /dev/lirc no such device error

[05:02:34]

onewheelskyward:

I'm having a similar problem, where lirc quits after I send it the first command.

[05:02:56]

ratbert90:

yeah

[05:02:59]

ratbert90:

this is on the current cvs

[05:03:11]

onewheelskyward:

Have you tried the last release version?

[05:03:53]

ratbert90:

that won't even recognize my remote :(

[05:05:40]

onewheelskyward:

That sucks.

[05:08:00]

ratbert90:

indeed

[05:08:12]

ratbert90:

I would go to an older release, but it isn't compatible with my kernel

[05:08:23]

onewheelskyward:

2.6.19?

[05:08:25]

ratbert90:

I would go to an older kernel, but it isn't compatible with my motherboard

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ratbert90:

2.6.20

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onewheelskyward:

new nvidia chipset?

[05:08:48]

ratbert90:

965 chipset

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ratbert90:

intel

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cesman:

if you are usign udev, it isn't /dev/lirc

[05:09:37]

ratbert90:

what is it then?

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cesman:

/dev/lirc0

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ratbert90:

I don't think I am. This is ubuntu though

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ratbert90:

which doesn't exist

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cesman:

what type of remote is it?

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ratbert90:

standard hauppauge pvr-150 remote

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ratbert90:

it works for a bit, until I start watching tv

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ratbert90:

then /dev/lirc0 goes away

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cesman:

mknod /dev/lirc0 c 61 0

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ratbert90:

still no device error :(

[05:13:05]

ratbert90:

and lircd is still looking for /dev/lirc

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ratbert90:

:(

[05:13:31]

ratbert90:

is there anyway to force lirc to look for /dev/lirc0 ?

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cesman:

I'd check your /etc/lirc/hardware.conf

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ratbert90:

hrm

[05:14:44]

ratbert90:

it was looking for the wrong module

[05:15:09]

ratbert90:

still doesn't matter it seems

[05:18:46]

hads:

Odd, qt 3.3.8 doesn't exist

[05:20:58]

onewheelskyward:

Versoning gets a little strange when they develop two versions simultaneously.

[05:21:56]

hads:

Yeah, there's a release information page from mid February but it doesn't exist on their ftp server.

[05:22:08]

onewheelskyward:

Hmm, that's even stranger.

[05:22:30]

hads:

I found a mirror that hasn't removed it yet though.

[05:22:42]

hads:

I can't find a note about why it has dissapeared though.

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livingtm:

Is there a flag somewhere to tell if a recording is new, or if youve already watched it?

[05:26:27]

livingtm:

the database has a "watched" column, but i dont see anything on the interface to reflect that functionality

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hads:

There's a "Mark as watched" option

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hads:

Well, there is in SVN anyway.

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livingtm:

hads, wheres that option?

[05:30:47]

xris:

livingtm: press right arrow on a recording

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xris:

menu pops up

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hads:

xris: Is that new with the watchlist or has it always been there? I can't remember.

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xris:

hads: no clue. I've been running svn since I started working on mythweb 4+ years ago

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hads:

Heh, fair enough then.

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livingtm:

im in the recording browser, and i press the right arrow on my keyboard.. the menu doesnt have any such option

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livingtm:

maybe its an old version

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hads:

It may be newish livingtm

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hads:

(the option that is)

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livingtm:

hmm

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livingtm:

im not sure i want to start running SVN.... althoguh if im going to hack at it, i ought to be i suppose

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xris:

livingtm: could be. those of us who run svn tend to forget which features are new, etc.

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xris:

what version are you running?

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banyan:

anybody running fc6 and 2.6.19–1.2911.6.5 with a pvr-350? I can't get the ivtv_fb module to load because it has version disagreements about a bunch of ivtv_* kernel symbols.

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livingtm:

xris, oh, whatever comes wiht Ubuntu Edgy :-)

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xris:

livingtm: that would be which version?

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hads:

0.20-fixes I believe

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livingtm:

0.20–0.2ubuntu2

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livingtm:

whatever that means

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xris:

banyan: use the X driver, not framebuffer

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xris:

livingtm: .20 is enough.

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xris:

sounds like that stuff is only in svn, then

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banyan:

the X driver displays by means of the framebuffer.

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banyan:

they are not mutually exclusive.

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hads:

It may have made it's way in with the new watchlist screen

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livingtm:

is SVN typicaly usable, or is it pretty un-tested?

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livingtm:

do people check in code that will break the head rev?

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xris:

it's rarely broken

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livingtm:

cool

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livingtm:

maybe ill play with it

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hads:

I'm no developer – it always works for me.

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xris:

banyan: didn't know that.

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livingtm:

hads, thats an endorsement :-) ill give it a shot

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hads:

But you aren't allowed to compain if it does break :)

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livingtm:

right

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banyan:

I thought the same thing you did, that it replaced the framebuffer.

[05:37:30]

banyan:

But actually it just displays X by using the on-screen display framebuffer.

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xris:

banyan: I just know that the other devs have talked about dropping fb support from myth because of the x driver

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banyan:

Yeah, that doesn't actually make sense.

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livingtm:

does anyone know if theres a way to add dynamic values to menu items? For example, if theres a DVD in the drive, i want the menu option to say "play DVD". But if theres a CD in the drive i want it to say "play CD"

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banyan:

Unless they combine the X driver and the framebuffer module into one thing.

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banyan:

I'm going to reboot into just plain 2911 and see if that works.

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banyan:

brb

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hads:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/11138

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hads:

That's where the watched flag was added by the looks.

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banyan:

it's messed up in 2.6.19–1.2911 as well. hmm.

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livingtm:

hads, thanks.. its getting late, ill have to play tomorrow

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planktonboy:

sorry about that . I had a power cut

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planktonboy:

jams in case you or anyone replied to my earlier questions please repeat again..I lost all power here for a bout 10 mins

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planktonboy:

oh well I guess I'll have to try again tomorrow

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planktonboy:

better get some sleep now 6 am here

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planktonboy:

:)

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planktonboy:

later all

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onewheelskyward:

late

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dsl13026:

howdy, any recommendations on a good affordable AGP nvidia card?

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dsl13026:

i'd like s-video out, and

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dsl13026:

for it to support hardware acceleration (xvmc or ...)

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onewheelskyward:

Any nvidia AGP card should support the acceleration, as far as I know.

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onewheelskyward:

Just make sure the driver you're planning to use has the model listed somewhere.

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dsl13026:

thanks onewheel

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dsl13026:

i'm sure there are countless nvidia cards, and i was just curious if there was a certain generation of chipset that I should look for or what.

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dsl13026:

the wiki says the nvidia driver is available as a third party download. is there a list of these drivers ?

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MarineTim:

dsl: take a look at the linux forum on the nvnews site: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay. . . . p;forumid=14

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MarineTim:

that answers alot of the common Qs.

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mchou:

shit....I just found out Daylight Savings Time gets moved up by one month this year.

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mchou:

This can be a major pain for myth/linux for ppl in the US

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MarineTim:

date --date="Mar 11 15:00:00 UTC 2007"

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mchou:

heh, ppl say us tlc

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mchou:

Imean zlc

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mchou:

zic*

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mchou:

shit, mine is borked

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xris:

mchou: two weeks

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mchou:

it's more than 2

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xris:

two weeks in each direction.

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xris:

changeover is the 11th/12th instead of the end of the month

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mchou:

no, it used to be 1st Sunday of april

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xris:

ah

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xris:

so 3 weeks early and one week late, then

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mchou:

yup

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xris:

date -d 3/11/2007 ; date -d 3/12/2007

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xris:

as long as those match, your machines are fine. :)

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** xris can't type. **

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xris:

you get the idea, though

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mchou:

fscking retail businesses......http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7779869

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mchou:

That's the real reason behind the change. NOTHING to do with energy savings

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mchou:

xris: guess why the time change now includes Halloween

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xris:

huh? the point is that it will save energy, and thus money for the retail businesses

[07:55:03]

mchou:

xris: nope. listen to the story

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mchou:

it doesnt save energy whatsoever

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mchou:

npr is the real mythbuster

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xris:

seems to me that it would, depending on what time businesses open/etc

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mchou:

nope. Listen to the story, I tell you

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mchou:

pointless arguing with me about it when you havent heard the story

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** xris tries to find something that will actually play the audio stream **

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mchou:

helixplayer with proprietary realplayer codecs

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xris:

xine seems to do it, too

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mchou:

ok, maybe xine too

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xris:

interesting concept

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mchou:

it aint interesting. it's fubar

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mchou:

back in Ben frankin's time it made sense, but certainly not now

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mchou:

Franklin's*

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mchou:

and it only makes sense for retailers now

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xris:

yeah, the whole idea of changing clocks makes little sense in cities.

[08:04:07]

xris:

apparently still makes SOME sense in rural areas, but not much

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mchou:

and it makes even less sense in rural areals

[08:04:30]

mchou:

rural ppl are driven by the sun

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mchou:

they dont care what time it is

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xris:

sort of

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xris:

people like clocks

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mchou:

nope. that's why in rural areas like kansas they haven't adopted DST

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xris:

huh?

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mchou:

at least I think it was kansas. Or maybe Indiana

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mchou:

there is a sliver of the state that's on a different time zone. they just go with rest of the state

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xris:

indiana used to not, but does now

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xris:

the "sliver" I think is in AZ

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mchou:

nope, it's definitely not south

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mchou:

up north somewheres

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xris:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_ . . . nited_States

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xris:

after the recent change, arizona is the only one left not observing DST

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xris:

it used to be one county in IN, or something like that.. but they switched because it was causing trouble for people living/working within a few miles of the county border.

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xris:

time to sleep....

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FinnTux:

hello

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FinnTux:

anyone using myth with analog 5.1 output?

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juski:

morning

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juski:

god ubunut is crap. I left it copying my recordings folder to another partition last night & it crashed

[08:46:04]

juski:

but anyway.. I have a question... what's the show_names dir all about in my recordings directory?

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juski:

ah never mind. prolly mythrename.pl

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MarineTim:

i have a "show_names" directory that mythlink.pl creates.

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juski:

on a slightly unrelated note – I've been wondering if there's a way to do a slow copy, similar to using the nice command to stop a process hogging cpu...

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juski:

yeah – I'm weird, wanting a way to slow down large file copies – but it'd be nice to do this massive copy op in a way that didn't grind the machine so much

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juski:

seen as I'm not in a particular hurry for it

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juski:

hmm I guess I could use scp.. I'll look into it

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akifdino:

can anyone point me to a howto for installing a tv card and his driver?

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rsdvd:

what 'tv card' ?

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akifdino:

rsdvd: technotrend c1500

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rsdvd:

no then :-) I have never personally read anything about a technotrend card

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akifdino:

rsdvd: which kernel modules will have to be loaded?

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akifdino:

is there a general howto somewhere?

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rsdvd:

sorry about that! have you tried the Wiki?

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juski:

hahaha nobody ever tries the wiki

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akifdino:

i was looking though it

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rsdvd:

Morny juski

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akifdino:

but couldn't find yet anything

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juski:

morny

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akifdino:

juski: are you sure there is a wiki page?

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rsdvd:

there is a page on the technotrend 1300...maybe that will help you

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akifdino:

good morning juski

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juski:

I can't answer questions I can't see ;)

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akifdino:

ohhh it seems that my kernel did recognize it. i've demux0 dvr0 frontend0 and net0 as devices.

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rsdvd:

looking at google – that card is supported in the linuxtv/v4l – so 'should just work' (tm)

[10:04:51]

rsdvd:

ok – if you have the device tree – what is the problme?

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akifdino:

rsdvd: no problem, can i just start mythtv and tell him to use this card? or is there anything else i need todo?

[10:06:43]

juski:

I think I need one of these sata port mltiplier thingies for home

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rsdvd:

akifdino : have you tried? if your card is recognised by the kernel, then live dnagerously and try!

[10:09:09]

juski:

break out scan & czap

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anykey_:

juski: do they work with all controllers & drives?

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rsdvd:

juski : you need one of the rackmaount storage thingies you are using :-)

[10:09:37]

juski:

anykey_: I know a controller it def. works with

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juski:

:)

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juski:

might patch a kernel later to make it worky in linux too

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anykey_:

juski: cool, how many drivers can you have per port?

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juski:

then when I'm done testing, if the card disappears, er...

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rsdvd:

lol

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juski:

akifdino: #mythtv-de

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juski:

anykey_: the multiplier takes one esata port & takes it to 5 hdds

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juski:

and the controller has 2 ports :)

[10:11:26]

anykey_:

hm, why esata?

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juski:

so it doesn't all have to be in one box

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anykey_:

aah

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juski:

5 750GB HDDs times two... :)

[10:12:38]

anykey_:

but... how do you power the drives in the other box? add a dummy load to a power supply?

[10:12:43]

akifdino:

the card needs to be set up with mythtv-setup doesn't it? which driver do i have to use there? v4l? andwhich driver is it? dvr0?

[10:12:44]

juski:

nah

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rsdvd:

akifdino : you need to do some more reading........we wil help you when necessary – but you will need to undertand the basics.....or you will get in trouble

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akifdino:

rsdvd: i would love to find something to read, really

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rsdvd:

to start you off – it is a DVB card not a v4l.....as it is digital

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akifdino:

can anyone please point me to a documentation?

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rsdvd:

I have never set one up so I have no idea how to do it – or where there is docs!

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rsdvd:

google is your friend!

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juski:

RTM !

[10:18:09]

juski:

or use this string in google:

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juski:

dvb-c mythtv howto

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juski:

!!

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FinnTux:

juski, you've created retro theme for mythtv?

[10:19:10]

juski:

I have to warn you now that mythtv might not be able to successfully scan for channels on your cable

[10:19:14]

juski:

FinnTux: WTF? no

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FinnTux:

ah ok. sorry. I misunderstood something

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juski:

akifdino: some cable providers do screwy things

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rsdvd:

FinnTux : retro was by someone else

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juski:

a nice guy called garhardt IIRC

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juski:

gerhardt even

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juski:

GOOGLE!

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rsdvd:

http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/

[10:20:39]

juski:

why must I start every day with the urge to smack people?

[10:20:53]

rsdvd:

lol......you need less kaffiene

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rsdvd:

or more 'luvin'

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FinnTux:

why a simple questions makes people that mad?

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FinnTux:

make*

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juski:

not short of lovin' ;)

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rsdvd:

that did not make him mad – you will know when he is mad LOL

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rsdvd:

anyway FinnTux : why were you asking about retro theme?

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juski:

FinnTux: why does it make people mad? because it's dead simple information you can use google for

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juski:

most themes have contact email addresses in readme files anyway

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juski:

not that anybody ever bothers to read them

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FinnTux:

I thought I rememberd it right and wanted to start a conversation...

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rsdvd:

juski : including yours ?

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juski:

YES!

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rsdvd:

wow

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rsdvd:

FinnTux : is it anything we can help with – although we did not create it we might be able to help with a problem?

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FinnTux:

I was interested in widescreen version

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juski:

try google

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juski:

he's done a retro-wide

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rsdvd:

arh! FinnTux, as juski will atest to – remaking a theme for widescreen is no easy task

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juski:

there's already retro-wide

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FinnTux:

rsdvd, yes I can imagine.

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[10:25:18]

juski:

hmmm

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juski:

I thought he'd done one

[10:25:27]

juski:

not on his homepage

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rsdvd:

nothing in google for it

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juski:

oh well. better use blootubelite-wide then eh ;)

[10:26:13]

FinnTux:

thats what I'm using atm

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FinnTux:

but...

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rsdvd:

lol! but only if you have loads of memory

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FinnTux:

hmm, dunno if I dare to say :)

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juski:

what?

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rsdvd:

FinnTux ; be carefull – juski wrote that

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juski:

if it uses too much ram, go for the lite version

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FinnTux:

video listing screen is not as good as recordings screen

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** rsdvd ducks **

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juski:

who cares?

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FinnTux:

rsdvd, I know that. I know how to google :)

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FinnTux:

cares? I care

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juski:

I don't use the video listing screen

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FinnTux:

ok, nevermind then

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juski:

always use the gallery view in mythvideo

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juski:

hey I know why don't you fix it up then? ;)

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** rsdvd cannot type today **

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FinnTux:

I already took a quick look at it

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juski:

I dunno what folks see in the list view – it's awful

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FinnTux:

but I really don't have time to learn all that stuff atm

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juski:

well that's a good stalemate

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juski:

I can't be bothered to make the list view better :-P

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FinnTux:

rsdvd, it's not that big deal. geez people, calm down

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rsdvd:

this is calm!

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juski:

haha

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juski:

anyway I could swear that mr Retro was talking aboutmaking a wide version on the mailing list

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FinnTux:

ok, I bet you guys gonna die young...stress/heart attack

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rsdvd:

'talking about' and doing are 2 different things

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juski:

nah

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FinnTux:

I'd imagine there is a lot of people using wide screen analog TVs – like me

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rsdvd:

FinnTux : probably!.....and even sooner if we spend time in here

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juski:

I'm just passionate about users getting clued up

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juski:

tell ya what FinnTux why don't you describe in an email what you think is wrong with the video list view & let's see if we can work towards making it nicer

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juski:

how does that grab ya?

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FinnTux:

sure

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FinnTux:

as soon as I have time

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rsdvd:

FinnTux : include screenshots – juski loves screenshots!

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juski:

if Retro's video list view is so much er.. nicer it oculd be borrowed from

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juski:

the beauty of open-source

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FinnTux:

also that crossed my mind

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juski:

what's your main concern about it?

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FinnTux:

looks different that recordings screen

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juski:

try to be more positive than just "it looks like shit", cos I already know that

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juski:

it's supposed to

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FinnTux:

k

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juski:

and AFAIK every other theme's video list view looks a lot different to the watch recordings screen

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juski:

they're different animals

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FinnTux:

ok, I was thinking about video screen having the same background as recordings

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juski:

ah

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Ruleke:

ooh

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Ruleke:

suits you sir

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Ruleke:

good morning

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juski:

all the backgrounds are similar though

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rsdvd:

Morning Ruleke

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juski:

morning Ruleke

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rsdvd:

juski : who is the genius behind MythWeb?

[10:41:55]

juski:

oh good. my backend fell over again.

[10:42:04]

juski:

fucking ubunut! I HATE YOU UBUNUT!

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juski:

xris is the genius behind mythweb, fyi

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rsdvd:

ok – thanks! always wondered – and couldn;t be bothered to google ! LOL

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Ruleke:

juski: how's security today :)

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juski:

better

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juski:

FinnTux: so what bothers you about the video list background screen? it's the same *style* as the watch recordings screen

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juski:

oh wait. no it isn;t

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FinnTux:

the background image is not the same?

[10:49:26]

juski:

I think it looks ok

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juski:

I might have a look & see what could be done to make the styling more similar

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juski:

but I don't think there's much you can do with the video list view

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FinnTux:

ok

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FinnTux:

oh and one thing...

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FinnTux:

texts and boxes seem to start right from the edge of the screen

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FinnTux:

some parts go out of the screen on TV with overscan

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juski:

there's a minimum 5% border on most if not all screens

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FinnTux:

yea, I read it is a guideline when developing themes

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juski:

and besides that's what the GUI resize thing is for ;)

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juski:

hell I have to resize all my themes because of overscan

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juski:

it's no big deal

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juski:

the problem will always be having so much info to show in a limited space

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juski:

then slapping a huge border at the sides only reduces the screen real estate even more :(

[11:01:25]

juski:

and BESIDES.. if anybody has issues with any of my themes I'd much rather that they email me than just stop using em for reasons unknown

[11:03:16]

FinnTux:

sure. don't sweat over it.

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juski:

easy for you to say damnit

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juski:

you didn't spend weeks making the fucking things :)

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dustybin:

juski: did u use photoshop?

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juski:

themes/millstones

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juski:

nah

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dustybin:

gimp?

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juski:

no I didn't use GIMP either

[11:04:50]

dustybin:

heheheeheh

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juski:

gimp is teh suck

[11:05:03]

dustybin:

microsoft paint?

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juski:

yeah

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dustybin:

aye cool, great minds think alike :)

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juski:

ms paint is known for its vector drawing tools :-P

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dustybin:

heh

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juski:

actually PSP9

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dustybin:

erm..

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FinnTux:

juski, sure I appreciate your efforts. I'm not complaining here

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dustybin:

never heard of that

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juski:

paint shop pro 9

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dustybin:

if i wanted to create a theme are there any documents / guidlines floating about

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dustybin:

oh yeah that

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juski:

wikiwikiwikiwikiwikiwikiwikiwikiwikiwiki

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dustybin:

ok!

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dustybin:

i might, might, give one a go

[11:07:01]

juski:

lol

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juski:

looking forward to it

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juski:

shoulkd I bring my sickbag?

[11:07:14]

dustybin:

wouldnt it be easier just to take a existing theme and load bits in and change them and re-save

[11:07:30]

juski:

dustybin: yeah, how do you think I do it?

[11:07:38]

dustybin:

ok!

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juski:

making the button watermarks is what takes up most of my time

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juski:

my fave so far are neon-wide's

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juski:

went to town!

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dustybin:

what do u mean by buttons watermarks?

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dustybin:

do they have transparent backgrounds?

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juski:

yeah

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dustybin:

i think they need to be gifs for that?

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juski:

you'll see

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dustybin:

ok

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juski:

png

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juski:

not gif!

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dustybin:

aye yes png

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juski:

256 colour themes.. pfft :)

[11:09:19]

dustybin:

hehe

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juski:

gif doesn't have partial transparency either

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juski:

so no nice fades

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dustybin:

ill have a bash at one soon

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dustybin:

ok

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dustybin:

does a theme contain a font folder?

[11:10:40]

juski:

wonder if there's a 'made with nano' banner I can put on my themes

[11:11:08]

dustybin:

heh

[11:12:03]

dustybin:

im looking inside a theme now, i can see lots of .png files

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Ruleke:

juski: what about .mng ? :)

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juski:

mng?

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Ribs:

is there a way of saving a live buffer?

[11:12:56]

juski:

mng the merciless?

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juski:

Ribs: what live buffer?

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juski:

all livetv is recorded these days

[11:13:28]

Ribs:

erm, when you're watching livetv

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juski:

on a show-by-show basis

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Ribs:

you can go back and see what you've just watched

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juski:

press R, like it says in the manual

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Ribs:

by skipping back

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juski:

then it'll store the current show

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** Ribs found a very funny advert he wants to store :> **

[11:14:22]

juski:

go into watch recordings, select the live tv recording & elect to save it

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FinnTux:

if it is not there, change recording group to livetv

[11:16:02]

juski:

I <8 monkeh adverts... mmm PG :)

[11:16:26]

juski:

I edited a whole 'coronation st' the other week, leaving only the advert

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Ribs:

oops

[11:17:03]

** Ribs pressed ESC one too many times **

[11:17:04]

Ribs:

oh well

[11:17:27]

juski:

reminds me, my wife has noticed the 1.2x playback of her soaps!

[11:17:44]

juski:

Ribs: they'll still be there for a while

[11:17:52]

juski:

they're not expired that fast ;)

[11:17:54]

Milosch:

moin

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Ribs:

meh, it's too much effort

[11:18:08]

Ribs:

I'm sure the person I wanted to show it too will see it and think of me :)

[11:18:36]

Milosch:

i bet my zap2it data is going to be off by an hour this weekend...

[11:18:40]

Milosch:

maybe not?

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Milosch:

assuming logic i guess it will be ok

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** juski wonders if this would work in linux... http://www.quietpc.com/gb-en-gbp/products/cas . . . mon-ultrabay **

[11:41:45]

Ruleke:

good question :)

[11:43:32]

Ruleke:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Imon

[11:43:57]

Ruleke:

just the remote :/

[11:47:52]

Ruleke:

looks interesting

[11:49:08]

juski:

why I mentioned it :)

[11:49:54]

Dagmar:

Umm... that is a pimp lookin' device

[11:49:54]

Ruleke:

looks interesting even if it doesn't work :)

[11:50:01]

juski:

that, mini-itx in a nice box, network music player on the cheapish

[11:50:03]

Dagmar:

What it needs is an Etch-a-Sketch hack. ;)

[11:50:03]

Ruleke:

to play with the driver :)

[11:50:20]

Ruleke:

juski: not sure how cheap that would be :/

[11:50:31]

Ruleke:

board plus mem plus case plus that

[11:50:37]

juski:

hmm yeah :(

[11:50:49]

juski:

I want a network music player with real controls

[11:50:58]

juski:

not just remote

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Ruleke:

just don't tell yourself it's for doign it cheaply

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Ruleke:

and you'll be fine ;)

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Ruleke:

I suppose it could just register all the buttons like it does now

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Ruleke:

not sure, not looked at the code

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Ruleke:

but I don't see specific support for that hw

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LLyric:

For a HTPC, what's the current thinking – core 2 duo, AMD X2, or something else?

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Ruleke:

whatever is fast enough for your needs I suppose

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LLyric:

That'd be more the graphics card, I would presume..?

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Ruleke:

not really... I don't know of a single gfx card that does h.264 accel in linux

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** Ribs is moving his home server stuff onto his mythtv box **

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anykey_:

just get the fastest cpu (dual-core!) that you can afford

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** LLyric has nv 6600ish, does OK in SD, probably do HD if my tv didn't suck **

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LLyric:

Dual core for a frontend?

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Ruleke:

LLyric: if by _do_ you mean, it outputs the correct resolution, yes

[12:15:51]

LLyric:

_do_ at full framerate, without stutters, etc

[12:16:05]

LLyric:

Of course it does the right resolution :) but I can't get it working wiht my tv

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Ruleke:

I don't see how that is related to a gfx card to be honest

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LLyric:

much to my annoyance

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anykey_:

LLyric: iirc you can play h.264 content with a 3800+ cpu at about 90%, but I could be wrong

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juski:

as low as that?

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anykey_:

well, that was 720p content I think

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Ruleke:

some context is needed with that statement :) the ipod plays h.264 too but not at 1080p :)

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Ruleke:

ah

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** LLyric has dvb-t 1080i (mpeg2 I presume); would like to play it with some cpu to spare, to avoid stutters etc. **

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anykey_:

LLyric: mpeg2 is probably not a big issue, I think

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juski:

why is somebody ringing my mobile with a withheld number if they want me to answer it?!

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Ribs:

they want it to be a surpise!

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Ruleke:

or they forgot

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Ribs:

some networks just fuck up sometimes and don't send the number

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Ribs:

my sister's phone does that

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GreyFoxx:

Ribs: all the time or sproadically ?

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Ribs:

all the time

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Ribs:

even though it's set up correctly

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GreyFoxx:

does she have avoip phone ?

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Ribs:

the phone claims it's sending the number, but something goes wrong

[12:24:57]

Ribs:

nah, it's just a regular mobile

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GreyFoxx:

your phone has nothing to do with it. It's all in the phone companies hands

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juski:

I don't answer my phone to non-numbers. it could be some scrote trying to get me to buy a new phone

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Ribs:

there ya go then

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Ribs:

juski, then just hang up

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GreyFoxx:

her phone COULD however be programmed to send the code to hide her identity ( *67 here) before each call though

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juski:

it's the principle – if these people aren't courteous enough to show their number I ain't answering the phone

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daviey:

Afternoon'

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juski:

I'm in the mobile phone preference service anyway – and if any cold callers ring me, I could have em

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juski:

afternoon daviey

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daviey:

i didn't know there was a MPRS

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juski:

ooo aye

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juski:

most cold calls I used to get didn't show their number and they'd hang up when I asked who they were

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juski:

I mean I know the calls i've just cancelled were prolly from my mortgage co., but as I say.. no number, no answer

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juski:

if its urgent they'll leave a message

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Ribs:

GreyFoxx, in the UK, you can set your phone to not send it's own number

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GreyFoxx:

hehe the linux bios people are working on a new biosfor the rm4100 (msntv2). that should be neat

[12:30:32]

GreyFoxx:

Ribs: you can send a block code to tell the phone switch to not pass it on. But your phone itself doesn't send the phone number

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Ribs:

eh

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Ribs:

same difference :)

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GreyFoxx:

if the phone actuall sent a number then spoofing it would be trivial :) It's a big difference ;)

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daviey:

semantics

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daviey:

I mean, using VOIP you *can* easily spoof your CID

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Ribs:

GreyFoxx, Well, the phone called it "own number sending", so forgive my ignorance :)

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daviey:

GreyFoxx, when i get home – give me your number and you'll be surprised to get a call 'from yourself'

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juski:

speaking of phones.. I saw some twat with a big beard on his bluetooth hands-free on the way to work, in conversation

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laga:

GreyFoxx: who actually made the mainboard in the rm4100?

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juski:

he was gesticulating with both hands

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akifdino:

so, works very well.

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daviey:

ahh, but 'handsfree' so legal

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akifdino:

just how do i get the logos for the channels?

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juski:

just how do you do *anything*?

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juski:

there's a place I'd consider a treasure-trove of useful information

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juski:

trying to remember its name

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akifdino:

wiki

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juski:

wwwwwwwookie?

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akifdino:

juski: ;-)

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juski:

aha! wiki!

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juski:

so er.. if you're asking how to get logos for channels that must mean you worked out how to get channels, right?

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akifdino:

juski: juski i can not find that page unfortunately

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akifdino:

juski: yes, right

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juski:

yay! :)

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phisco:

do you know where i can find help when i want to use kdetv and there is a problem?

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akifdino:

thats what i'm looginf for. logos for channels

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akifdino:

looking for i mean

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daviey:

akifdino, what country?

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akifdino:

germany daviey

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akifdino:

i would be really thankfull for any help

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** laga slaps akifdino for cross-posting. **

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akifdino:

what is cross-posting

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juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Channel_icons

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laga:

akifdino: do not waste people's time in two channels simultaneously

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juski:

asking in several places at the same time

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juski:

arse I can't /kickban

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akifdino:

laga: i didn't get response there

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daviey:

akifdino, can't help – only know UK

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akifdino:

or to late

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juski:

I don't have my powers.. wahhhhhhhh

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juski:

daviey: same principle for all countries

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laga:

akifdino: waiting actually helps. and you're being helped in the other channel.

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akifdino:

laga: and i'm not wasting peoples time, i do respect the help i get and i would do it aswell if i can

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akifdino:

memeanwhile yes

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daviey:

juski, don't know the *.ico src's tho – cba to check

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juski:

I cba full stop

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juski:

that's what 1st line support does to ya

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laga:

akifdino: you've got to be kidding me. you asked in both channels at 13:37 ;)

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phisco:

does somone of you know in witch chan i can find help for kdetv?

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Milosch:

what other channel are you talking about?

[12:46:34]

juski:

hitting in more than one place at the same time doubles your chances of scoring

[12:46:38]

laga:

Milosch: #mythtv-de

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Milosch:

ah

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daviey:

ckeeky

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daviey:

ch'

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juski:

phisco: try /list

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laga:

juski: it does increase your changes of getting yelled at, indeed ;)

[12:47:14]

juski:

I like yelling <8

[12:47:21]

phisco:

juski: thx

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Milosch:

really?

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juski:

it's safer than clubbing baby seals

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Milosch:

i so want to open Club Seal

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Milosch:

or Club Foote

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Milosch:

ok, not really

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juski:

time to speak up... see what happens

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juski:

yay my site is still ok!

[12:51:44]

juski:

FinnTux: actually – see the screenshot for neon-wide – how about i just do something like that for blootube-wide's video list view?

[12:52:15]

juski:

rather than the way it is now...

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Milosch:

juski: you need a site uptime counter

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juski:

lol

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Milosch:

e.g. "6 days since our last work stoppage incident"

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juski:

it's not mission critical

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juski:

I mean the world isn't gonna end if some kid can't download my themes

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Milosch:

depends on your mission i reckon

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daviey:

reckon you could get it on uptime-project.*?

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Milosch:

uh-oh, two people said reckon in two lines...

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Milosch:

scary

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juski:

I wanna know what's going on with the rpms & packages of my themes – like how often they check for updates & stuff

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juski:

suppose this only affirms my need to get them into subversion :)

[12:55:23]

Milosch:

yeah, what's up with that?

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juski:

apparently it's like really hard to download atarball & untar it

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planktonboy:

hi all

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planktonboy:

just been trying to burn a recording. All goes well until it gets to the burning stage and the cd ejects and reinserts but growisofs reports an error

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planktonboy:

I have checked my permissions and they seem to be in order, at least I think so, but any advice would be very welcome :)

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planktonboy:

and why does the dvd eject and reinsert prior to the burn process

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quicksilver:

maybe that's in case you have an old DVD in there?

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quicksilver:

they don't want to accidently burn over something

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quicksilver:

what kind of error does growisofs report?

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planktonboy:

hi quicksilver

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planktonboy:

just trying again with a new dvd, so that will have overwritten the old progress.log but when it fails again I will let you know the error

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Fifth_:

anyone ever have MythTV suddenly start making screwy video and audio sounds (like fast forwarding)...only way to quit out of it at that point is to kill th process

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planktonboy:

I cant remember offhand :)

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Fifth_:

has happened to me before some but yesterday it was happening like every 10min

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planktonboy:

but I was trying with some old dvd+rw

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planktonboy:

just trying now with a new dvd-r

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juski:

maybe try mytharchive but only make iso images until you know for sure it works

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planktonboy:

yes I tried that yesterday and it made the iso fine, but then I couldnt figure how to burn the iso off in myth, and then I had a powercut

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planktonboy:

by that time it was 6 am so I figured that was a good time to leave it for the day and start again today , haha

[13:18:37]

planktonboy:

mytharchive runs really well all the way up until the burn process

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planktonboy:

I checked whether it was a permissions issue but from all the guides out there it seems that I have that set up correctly

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planktonboy:

AHA

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planktonboy:

something is looking good

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planktonboy:

maybe it didint like my DVD+RW

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planktonboy:

its definately burning something

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planktonboy:

the dvd light is on :O)

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planktonboy:

I wonder why it doesnt like my DVD+RW then

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planktonboy:

would it be to do with format of dvds..I have used them previously on a windows machine, but I did blank them before trying them out

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planktonboy:

but didnt format them

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planktonboy:

phisco sorry I dont understand

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phisco:

planktonboy: no problem, im not a specialist, i only know that growisofs is only the bilder of the dvd image

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planktonboy:

yes

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phisco:

and an other program is writing it to dvd

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planktonboy:

ah

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planktonboy:

right

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phisco:

you can check that in k3b

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quicksilver:

I don't think that's true

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quicksilver:

I think growisofs has the capability to write straight to a DVD drive

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quicksilver:

if you ask it to

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planktonboy:

anyway it seems to have worked when using a new DVD-R disk instead of my older DVD+RW

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phisco:

it is ... wait a moment i can show you

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phisco:

go to k3b, and try to burn a dvd... in there you can find the commands you would have to write in shell to make the same

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quicksilver:

phisco: there may be other ways to do it, but growisofs *does* burn disks

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phisco:

hmm, perhaps in a newer version, in the one i have installed on my laptop it does not :)

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phisco:

ill check the manpage

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phisco:

hmm your right, in in edgy it is possible. sorry for that

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** Ruleke back **

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quicksilver:

I think there is even some reason why it's best to use it, but that's just a vague memory and I don't remember why :)

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Ruleke:

t/me reads up

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planktonboy:

yup thats worked

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Ruleke:

ah the joy of the eject

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planktonboy:

and what better film to record for my first myth recording than Taxi Driver

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Ruleke:

The disc needs to be ejected after "formatting" it, it's a requirement for the drive when doing the DVD-RW thing :-/

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planktonboy:

yes I am using edgy

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Ruleke:

even for DVD bruning in general it makes the drive flush some stuff out

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Ruleke:

all iirc

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anykey_:

Anyone running two PVR-500 in the same box?

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planktonboy:

would it make a difference if I had that Monitor CD/DVD setting checked in the Setup/Utilities – Setup – General window

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Ruleke:

anykey_: yes

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Ruleke:

planktonboy: a difference for what ?

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planktonboy:

a difference on whether it would affect burning a recording using mytharchive

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Ruleke:

I don't see a link

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planktonboy:

so that when the blank dvd is reloaded by growisofs then it doesnt change to the automount window

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planktonboy:

when I was having probs with burning yesterday

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Ribs:

is using EIT date still a major drain on the system?

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Ribs:

I rememebr this was the case in the pre 0.20 days, but is it safe to turn on again now?

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Ruleke:

planktonboy: ah yes definately

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anykey_:

Ruleke: does it work without problems?

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Ruleke:

anykey_: yep

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Ruleke:

sortof

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Ruleke:

had to change the motherboard tbh

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Ruleke:

used to be a via crap thing

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Ruleke:

so a single pvr500 even had problems

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anykey_:

I had problems with a single one (no PVR500 and agp graphics at the same time)

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anykey_:

so I'm not sure if two of these will work...

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Ruleke:

anykey_: well it works fine with a decent chipset

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anykey_:

Ruleke: that actually is the problem, my backend has the worst chipset that you can have :p

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Ruleke:

anykey_: via 686a ? impossible :)

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planktonboy:

anyways thanks guys for your help...better go and get ready to go out for a bit...but cya later

[14:05:28]

planktonboy:

thanks again :))

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planktonboy:

WOOHOO

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planktonboy:

byeee

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praet:

Fifth_: could be overheating

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Fifth_:

praet, the proc?

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Fifth_:

hmm K, I suppose I should try playing the mpgs with mplayer and see if it has similar effect then

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Fifth_:

mythfrontend shouldn't use more proc than mplayer or anything right?

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praet:

how did you test the recordings

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Fifth_:

test? I've just been playing them....this used to happen once in a while but yesterday was watching a 2 hour movie and was happening every 10min or so

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praet:

so today yoiu played the recording and no problem

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Fifth_:

no haven't tried today yet, at work currently

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Fifth_:

but figured I'd get some input so when I get home can try some things

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praet:

i had a similar issue and decided to swap out my mx440 for a 5600

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Fifth_:

video card?

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praet:

i had random artifacts and when i ffwd it would screech

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praet:

yeah

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Fifth_:

hmm K, I have a FX 5700 in there now

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Fifth_:

it doesnt seem to happen whenI fast fwd...just while playing....then it sounds like its fast fwding, I run mythfrontend from the console too so I can see all the weird audio errors scrolling by on the console when it happens

[14:18:21]

praet:

coffee time.

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Fifth_:

haha coo

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praet:

any frame drops?

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praet:

this is my second coffee.. at this rate ill break my 5 a day record

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Fifth_:

lol nice

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Fifth_:

I had my cup of tea

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Fifth_:

frame drops?

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Fifth_:

when it happens, the screen kinda just freezes

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praet:

were you recording at the time

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Fifth_:

yes actually for part of the time

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Fifth_:

now that I think of it I might have been compiling via distcc for my other comp too

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Fifth_:

at that time

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praet:

whats the proc

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Fifth_:

P4 1.6

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praet:

the recording was messed up or fine..

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Fifth_:

haven't looked at what was recorded during that time yet

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praet:

when it happend to me the rocording was ruined.. like half speed, missing frames and stuttering

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praet:

especially near commercial breaks

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Fifth_:

ah K, well I'll check that out then

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praet:

anyone pulling HD over the air

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LLyric:

yeah, dvb.

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praet:

are you in th uk?

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LLyric:

.au

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praet:

ah

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praet:

do you pull sd tv as well?

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praet:

analog

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LLyric:

sure

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rsdvd:

praet : there is no real HD OTA in the UK yet (other thent he BBC test channel)

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praet:

im actually in the us

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rsdvd:

ok

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praet:

None of my mates have ever dealt with HD beayone a set top box with a cable co.

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praet:

*beyond

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praet:

PC LOAD LETTER

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Fifth_:

wtf does that mean??!!

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Ruleke:

he thinks he's a printer

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Fifth_:

lol

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Fifth_:

office space 4tw

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praet:

hp support is a joke

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Ruleke:

which support

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Ruleke:

HP-UX ?

[15:17:59]

Ruleke:

if that's what you are saying, I'm tracking you down

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praet:

no heh.. printer

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Ruleke:

:)

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praet:

a friend's office i networked calls me in when the 7410 says 'pritner tray empty'

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praet:

they dont call hp support

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Fifth_:

ROFL

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Fifth_:

Toner Low

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Fifth_:

so change it!

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Fifth_:

lol

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praet:

haha

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praet:

it even says things like 'less than 1000 pages left, order cartridge'

[15:19:55]

praet:

but no. they call me

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praet:

i should go over there and disassemble it, rebuild it, then charge them

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praet:

Ruleke: you in HP-UX support team?

[15:23:05]

Ruleke:

I used to be

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Ruleke:

named accounts though

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praet:

big enterprise?

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Ruleke:

yer mission critical contracts

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praet:

wow. stressful

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Ruleke:

it was fun

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Ruleke:

left to go work for a customer ;)

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gerdi__:

hi! Is i possible to use xvmc on an zenega box (i810 or iegd display driver) ?

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Fifth_:

I havent used much hardcore unix.....mostly linux, some solaris but not much

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Fifth_:

how does HP-UX compare to Linux?

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praet:

gerdi__: maybe check with zenega-user.de

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daviey:

Fifth_, the cost?

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gerdi__:

praet: i checked and tried nearly everything .. there is no statement. yes or no?

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Gurft:

Morning

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daviey:

Afternoon

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juski:

gerdi__: probably not

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Fifth_:

daviey, that it? lol

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juski:

but if you speak German try the zenega-user.de forums like praet suggested

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gerdi__:

ok thanks

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praet:

hey juski, the WAF thanks you for getting my myth box ready for thurs. programming

[15:41:04]

daviey:

Fifth_, no there is more; but to be fair i have only compared BSD to linux

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praet:

last night there were oos and aaahs for myth .20

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juski:

I'm always helping make people's wives happy :)

[15:41:38]

daviey:

anybody running mythtv svn?

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juski:

yeah me, tonight. why?

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GreyFoxx:

daviey: I am running svn as of 3 days ago

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GreyFoxx:

or 4

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daviey:

Does it have any features worth test driving?

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juski:

cos I'll be a-patchin mythmusak soon :)

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Gurft:

juski: To add internet radio support?

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Gurft:

:-D

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daviey:

no – to add preeety pictures :P

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juski:

Gurft: no, to undo some theme damage

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Fifth_:

daviey, ah haha

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Gurft:

ahhhh

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juski:

undo the damage before it gets committed

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GreyFoxx:

daviey: You have to be more specific. I always run svn, so I don't have a "this is new, this is not" line like someone going from 0.20 to svn would

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GreyFoxx:

What is old to me, might very well be from after 0.20 :)

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juski:

daviey: storage groups

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GreyFoxx:

juski: Good thought

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GreyFoxx:

that is an important one to test

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Gurft:

Storage groups as in, I select a show to go in a specific group and it gets transcoded appropraitely, instead of having to set it for every show?

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juski:

biggest change

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juski:

no, as in you tell it where to store shows

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GreyFoxx:

Gurft: No, it's storage, no transcoding

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daviey:

I'm trying to think of an occasion that would be useful

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Dagmar:

no more having it store your shows on the upper shelf in the closet where you can't reach them without a stepstool

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Gurft:

daviey: me too, only time I can think of is if I"m running tiered storage in my house....

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GreyFoxx:

so you can have groups of drives/shares/directories in one storage group, and recordings go into then

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praet:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Release_Notes_-_0.21

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GreyFoxx:

daviey: If you add a drive, no need to do anything but tell myth about it and it will use it

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juski:

as if noobs dont have enough problems finding recordings

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daviey:

praet, ty

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Gurft:

GreyFoxx: so it's kindof an abstraction layer above the filesystems? Like a poor-mans LVM at the app level?

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GreyFoxx:

if you run out of space, and mount a remove share to another boxm, add it to the storage group

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GreyFoxx:

Gurft: Yes, without the drawbacks of lvm

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daviey:

what drawbacks?

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Gurft:

I'm an AIX guy.... there are no drawbacks to LVM ;)

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GreyFoxx:

with lvm if a drive goes, you loose it all

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Gurft:

if it's not properly mirrored/managed

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GreyFoxx:

which is commonly tyhe case

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Gurft:

I completely agree

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daviey:

that is true

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Dagmar:

What drawbacks?

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Dagmar:

That could/would happen to pretty much anything

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Gurft:

Dagmar: If you don't have the cheddar to pony up for enough drives to keep all your LVM disks mirrored, if you lose one disk in teh set you lose the entire VG/LV/filesystem.

[15:48:54]

daviey:

but you *can* setup a software RAID

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juski:

lvm without raid just increases the chances of losing everything

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Gurft:

Yup yup

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Dagmar:

Hell, I'm not mirroring with LVM, I'm just spanning so I don't wind up with a bunch of different directories

[15:49:33]

Gurft:

Dagmar: I think with storage groups it sounds like you can minimize the amount of data you lose if a single drive fails.

[15:49:47]

quicksilver:

Dagmar: right, and spanning is increasing your failure chance

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quicksilver:

Dagmar: of course 2*(small number) is still (quite small number)

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daviey:

I lost everything once due to drive failure, my house, car and wife – luckly i had my vids backed up

[15:50:13]

Dagmar:

quicksilver: No because I transcode the things I want to keep out into MythVideo, where I'm allowed subdirectory mount points.

[15:50:15]

Gurft:

When my myth box died earlier this week, my wife cried.

[15:50:26]

quicksilver:

Dagmar: right

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quicksilver:

Dagmar: but spanning is still increasing the failure chance :) you're just saying "I'll take that risk, because I aechive the stuff I care about". Which is fine, too :)

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daviey:

Gurft, you need to re-image her – sounds like a kernel panic

[15:51:20]

Gurft:

heh. All she kept saying was "all my episodes of 'The Hills' and 'Lost'"

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Dagmar:

quicksilver: Actually it's only because I'm too lazy to diddle the database so that it looks for some files in a differnt directory

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praet:

Gurft: i had a similar reaction last week when her fav shows were on and she had to resort to vhs.

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quicksilver:

:)

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Dagmar:

I do rather strongly suspect that what the common users are going to start doing with storage groups is springboard into complaining that they want to be able to have myth prune them by size and so forth

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Gurft:

Strangely with the new mythtv case that's supposed to be here today... there's no more room in teh entertainment center for teh VHS.... we will respectfully drop it in the trash bin.

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Dagmar:

Wow

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praet:

yesterday i fixed the mythbox up to .20 and now all i hear is talk of a new flatscreen

[15:52:58]

Dagmar:

one of the first things I did with my pvr-500 was to transcode the VHS movies I had so I could toss 'em

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Gurft:

My only proble with getting a flatscreen, is how do you overscan out the VBR data at the top of recordings.

[15:53:34]

Gurft:

since you're using DVI/HDMI

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praet:

vbr data?

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Dagmar:

He means VBI.

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Dagmar:

Gurft: There's settings in the frontend for that

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Gurft:

Yea, that's what I meant.

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Gurft:

What would you do, just move the GUI/vid ouput up a few pixels out of the display area?

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daviey:

yeah, i'm using HDMI to TV

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Gurft:

negative Y offset?

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Dagmar:

Gurft: Basically, yeah

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Gurft:

Gotcha.

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Dagmar:

If you want to make it match TV's "usual" expectation of overscan, there is also something else you can use

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Gurft:

BTW, the Firefly is a hardy remote. the baby spit up on it last night and it's still functional....

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praet:

ewww

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Dagmar:

Gurft: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Theme_de . . . scan_and_You

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Dagmar:

On the right are two templates that exactly mark the overscan boundaries

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Dagmar:

Imagemagick can be used to convert either into an mpg of whatever duration you like

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Dagmar:

Or if you're really lazy, electrical tape works pretty well.

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Dagmar:

;)

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praet:

heh

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** daviey thinks it's home time **

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Dagmar:

...or, and this is probably "best", pass them through nuvexport, which can trim off as many or as few pixels as you like while it converts them to a tighter format

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praet:

what does vbi data look like

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praet:

a smear or something

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daviey:

bye all

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Gurft:

purple and green line at the top of the screen.

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praet:

later daviey

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Gurft:

later daviey

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Gurft:

I can't believe you gys are getting off work, and here I am just getting started.

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praet:

only applies to bcast?

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praet:

here too

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Gurft:

It's not even 4:00 in the UK yet, is it?

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Gurft:

praet, yep

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Dagmar:

I just got up from a nap. I'm off the next two days still

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praet:

11:00 am here

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Dagmar:

Hopefully I'm going to get a new notebook today, so I'll need those days to get it set up

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Gurft:

This weekend is going to suck. I gotta figure out who goes into DST and who doesn't...

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Dagmar:

GMT is the same time everywhere

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Gurft:

Or is it just us US kids that are running around all willynilly patching everythign in site.

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Dagmar:

It's only US people.

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Gurft:

That'd be swell if my customers would run their servers in GMT

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praet:

Dagmar: what notebook

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Dagmar:

Only the US gov't is so lost as to think the sun will rise earlier if they tell it to

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praet:

Gurft: should be fun

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Gurft:

It's going to save us millions in oil consumption...

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Gurft:

but cost us millions in IT resources..../.

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praet:

haha

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Gurft:

I get the idea... but it's not well thought out of all the impacts it has.

[16:00:17]

praet:

dag: sony vaio = drool

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Dagmar:

Watching guys at the office freak out because their stuff didn't reboot after patching: Priceless

[16:00:45]

Gurft:

We're down only 100 servers left.

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Dagmar:

I patched my myth box.

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Gurft:

got over 700 done in the past 3 weeks.

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Gurft:

:)

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Dagmar:

My other machines, I'm just changing the clock

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praet:

shouldnt that be enough

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Dagmar:

It will be

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praet:

Gurft: using a script?

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Dagmar:

By the time I have to change back, I'll have rebuilt them all from a standard image and won't have to worry about it anymore

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Gurft:

LOL, someone has to touch every box. no shared keys due to our security regs.

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praet:

er. not fun

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Dagmar:

Gurft: You guys need to look into gpg signing updates

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Dagmar:

Then you can stick the patches on a central server and let the other machines _poll_

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Dagmar:

Shared key problem goes right away

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praet:

wow thats clever

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Dagmar:

I've done the large scale, multinational network thing before.

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clever:

whats ckever?

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Dagmar:

heh

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praet:

hehe

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Dagmar:

But seriously, if you have two admins sign each update, punt them to a server where teh other machines can get them with scp, then they can download them and then check for two authorized signatures, apply them, and mail you about it later

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Dagmar:

Mail routes into procmail, feeds to perl script, stores in database, perl script spits out spreadsheet.

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Dagmar:

Engineer mails spreadsheet to boss, returns to defending Azeroth against filthy Horde animals

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clever:

lol

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Gurft:

Dagmar: how do you handle scheduled updates that require reboots/firmware upgrades?

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Gurft:

Our particular situation is we need to touch every host to apply firmware, then we patch the OS, then we reboot.

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Dagmar:

My stuff at home polls hourly

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Dagmar:

The last work setup I did like that, polled half-hourly and randomized by 30 minutes (so, roughly twice an hour)

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Dagmar:

This assumes you are _rigorously_ enforcing the difference between devel and prod environments, prod environments being where everything is documented, and _nothing_ is done "on the fly" without having already been done on the devel environment so you know how it will play out.

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Dagmar:

The only difference for this being that instead of you the human having to sit and literally follow a script on a clipboard, the script is written in shell.

[16:30:13]

Dagmar:

<-- works hard to avoid getting pages at 2am, ever

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Dagmar:

Plus when the policy compliance auditors come around, you get to watch them have orgasms.

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onewheelskyward:

That doesn't sound like a bonus to me. :)

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FinnTux:

juski, sorry I had to leave in a hurry. but yes, neon-wide has pretty consistent look on both screens (video and recordings)

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FinnTux:

exactly what I meant

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clop:

hi, i'm getting my channel information from zap2it.com and it's working for all channels except one, which just gets listed as Unknown... they do have listings for the channel on their web interface, so maybe something is configured wrong; any ideas how to try to debug this?

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Dagmar:

Go into mythtv-setup and obliterate the listings and then run mythfilldatabase again

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masonsjax:

i can not get myth to scan any channels off my HDHR, but it works great with VLC

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masonsjax:

i'm going mad

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masonsjax:

ubuntu binaries just thru apt-get

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clop:

Dagmar, do you mean hit "retrieve lineups" under the video source setup, or something else?

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Beirdo:

muhahaha

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xris:

Beirdo: you get my pm?

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

I'm thinking about it, when would I have to commit?

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xris:

Isaac wanted to know if/who would be interested in projects soon because the application deadline is next week.

[17:14:33]

Beirdo:

Hmmm, OK. can you point me to some details?

[17:14:42]

Beirdo:

for that proposal, of course :)

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xris:

don't really have one

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xris:

Daniel just mentioned it as a possible project, and then someone pointed out that you'd already done some work on it

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xris:

but you're unfortunately not a student. :)

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Beirdo:

true nuff

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Beirdo:

I should enroll in ONE class so I am

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Beirdo:

heh

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xris:

heh

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Beirdo:

Hmmm. Wonder if I can somehow get that machine to boot from a USB key, and if so, somehow get the Win98SE CD onto said key so I can reinstall

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Beirdo:

damned no-CD machine

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xris:

:(

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Beirdo:

with a customized interface

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xris:

anyway, I can at least tell Daniel that you'd consider helping out.

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xris:

so far that's only 2 projects for SoC, though.

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xris:

dunno if Isaac would want to go through it for just that.

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Beirdo:

yeah, I'd need a bit more detail to be able to commit to it, but I'm interested

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xris:

well, we don't have to submit the project proposals yet.

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Beirdo:

just don't know how the spare time situation will be if I get employed (any day now, etc)

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Beirdo:

heh

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xris:

cool

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xris:

yeah

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Beirdo:

green card arrived yesterday

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** Beirdo does a little dance **

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xris:

woot

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Beirdo:

SSN arrived a couple days before

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Beirdo:

been lots of progress this week :)

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xris:

cool

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Beirdo:

OK, I THINK I can get ghost installed from the USB key.

[17:21:02]

Beirdo:

now if that machine will be able to boot from USB or not? dunno

[17:21:31]

Beirdo:

I want to make a ghost image of a fully installed Win98SE for that machine (have a legal key for it)

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Beirdo:

then be able to reinstall the ghost image over the network :)

[17:21:56]

Beirdo:

make it a REAL scratch machine :)

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sam_i:

hi all

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sam_i:

hope your all cool – got a question regarding nova-t, mythDora, ati radeon 9600 and choppy playback!

[17:24:27]

xris:

my all cool what?

[17:25:13]

sam_i:

anyone got any ideas of how to solve this issue?

[17:27:13]

xris:

sam_i: you haven't provided enough info yet, like the resolution of the recordings, the speed of your cpu, if you're using ram swap, etc, etc.

[17:27:20]

xris:

(and the decoder settings)

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sam_i:

ok

[17:27:33]

sam_i:

well cpu is 1.6p4

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sam_i:

ram is 512

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sam_i:

swap is just getting rest lol

[17:28:21]

praet:

sam_i: are you fe/be same machine or sep backend

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sam_i:

same machine

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praet:

did you change buffer info at all

[17:29:09]

sam_i:

nope – new one to me :)

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sam_i:

can you help with that praet?

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praet:

has it recently started happening or is new install

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sam_i:

new fresh install

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praet:

running mythfront in a console might be helpful too : mythfrontend -v all

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praet:

ah ok

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sam_i:

but had in on ubuntu, doing same thing

[17:31:14]

praet:

any strangeness in dmesg

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praet:

dmesg |grep DMA

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sam_i:

what am i looking for in dmesg? i can see cx8802_timeout's

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sam_i:

erm

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praet:

dma enabled on all drives

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sam_i:

yep

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sam_i:

not much else in dmesg apart from 'Unknown keycode'

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praet:

# hdparm -d /dev/hd?

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rsdvd:

you said you are using a Radeon card – I would sugest it has somethign to do withthe lack of XV support

[17:33:46]

Beirdo:

well, I think I'll go fiddle with making this USB key bootable

[17:34:18]

sam_i:

right, well i do have another nvidia card, only 64meg though

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praet:

./lunch

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sam_i:

this radeaon is 256meg

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sam_i:

worth swapping and reinstalling mythdora?

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rsdvd:

nvidia cards are supposedly better supported in linux/X than Radeo cards......I am only going by what is said in here – I have neither in my frontends

[17:35:37]

sam_i:

one other thing is its fine in MPlayer playback (the video), just not in myth

[17:35:47]

sam_i:

also the review works fine, annoyingly

[17:35:53]

onewheelskyward:

nvidia cards are well supported in my experience.

[17:35:58]

sam_i:

preview that is

[17:36:21]

sam_i:

but is 64meg sufficant?

[17:37:21]

rsdvd:

sam_i : I would do some reasearch to see if your current card supports any acceleration stuff (such as XV/XvMC etc), otherwise you might be better with a better supported card although it has less vram

[17:37:55]

sam_i:

when i tried setting the mode to that it just gave me a blank screen

[17:38:09]

sam_i:

so a possible no with that one for the radeon

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rsdvd:

I am afraid I am not talking from experience – try searching the wiki for 'radeon' and see what it says

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sam_i:

yer ive had a good look in most places i think lol

[17:40:15]

sam_i:

although choppy playback is hard to define

[17:40:27]

sam_i:

unless there is a more technical term i should be searching for...

[17:41:09]

rsdvd:

usually due ti somethig not keeping up.....either the processor cannot output video fastenough.....ot the GPU cannot render it fast enough

[17:41:22]

sam_i:

aye

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sam_i:

well i think its myth playing

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sam_i:

as the mpg's work fine outside

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rsdvd:

when you are playing video – what is the memory/cpu liek on your machine?

[17:41:56]

sam_i:

ill check give me a sec

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sam_i:

any video?

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rsdvd:

something 'shoppy'

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rsdvd:

choopy even

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sam_i:

lol

[17:42:23]

sam_i:

shoppy would be expensive!

[17:42:24]

** rsdvd learns to type **

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masonsjax:

quick question: are the binaries that i get thru apt in ubuntu edgy fairly recent builds?

[17:42:49]

Dagmar:

check their mtimes

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sam_i:

well atm, im using mythdora, which is supposibly .20, which i think is fairly recent

[17:43:26]

sam_i:

ubuntu was using the main repository, so probably was out of date

[17:43:33]

masonsjax:

i read that there have been some recent changes to better support the HDHR, and i'm wondering if going thru the trouble of building from SVN would help me. I cant get any channels to scan.

[17:43:48]

Dagmar:

polerin: it doesnt' respond on it

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Dagmar:

wrong channel

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Gurft:

Is it bad that I"m checking my tracking every 15 minutes?

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Gurft:

on my shipment of my new power supply and case.

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masonsjax:

I guess I'll wipe my myth install and try from SVN. I dont know what else to try.

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masonsjax:

mouse cursors are overrated

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onewheelskyward:

Gurft: I've been known to do that. The cooler the item received is, the more often I check it.

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sam_i:

rsdvd: cpu goes to 90% when playing through VideoLAN Client

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sam_i:

onewheelskyward: ok so thats a possibility cheers

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rsdvd:

sounds rather high.......what about when you play video in myth

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sam_i:

ie swapping cards (something i dont ideally want to do but hey!)

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sam_i:

right let me log it – hold on a sec

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onewheelskyward:

sam_i: Yeah, it could just be a troubleshooting step.

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praet:

radeon does have support for mpeg2

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masonsjax:

setup cron to grab the tracking page and diff for changes, then alert you when there is :)

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rsdvd:

gruft -what case have you bought?

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sam_i:

well thats if tv works now... grr lol

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sam_i:

ok checked it

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sam_i:

went to 99% i think

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sam_i:

so thats a sure sign

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rsdvd:

;-) well that is why it is choppy!

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sam_i:

bloody simplist things lol

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rsdvd:

you just now need to work out what to do to make it less of a cpu hog

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praet:

whats nvidia card model

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rsdvd:

what capture card do you have?

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sam_i:

nova-t

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sam_i:

and the nivdia is... a geforce4mx

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sam_i:

cant remember exact

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praet:

ive bben happy with my mx440 until it fried two days ago

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rsdvd:

well then it is a high-bit rate mpeg2 stream....and will need some help on a 1.8p4.......with no xv support your cpu will be doing all the work

[17:53:00]

Dagmar:

praet: Well, at least they're only $20 to replace

[17:53:00]

sam_i:

let me confirm that

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sam_i:

i think that was a max actaully

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sam_i:

and ive just changed an option in setup

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praet:

the mx440 should put you back to 20% cpu max

[17:53:45]

praet:

Dagmar: i had a 5600 that a friend pulled out of a machine to use it as a server

[17:53:49]

praet:

free is the best

[17:53:50]

sam_i:

ok checking now its gone to 70%

[17:53:59]

Dagmar:

I'm using a 5200 at the moment

[17:54:04]

sam_i:

so still high

[17:54:18]

sam_i:

Dagmar: is that a ati sorry?

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Dagmar:

Gods no

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sam_i:

lol

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sam_i:

ok

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Dagmar:

What kind of fool do you take me for?

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praet:

70% is what i get when there is no xvmc

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praet:

hahah

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sam_i:

sorry for my ignorance!

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praet:

thats a nvidia chipset

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Dagmar:

I'm about to buy a new notebook in part because of the damn ATI chipset on the CPx I'm currently using

[17:55:08]

praet:

Dagmar: send the old one to me..

[17:55:22]

Dagmar:

I don't like Intel's interpretation of the word "accelleration", but I'll take it over ATI

[17:55:37]

Dagmar:

praet: The thing has festering ACPI problems. You don't want it

[17:55:52]

praet:

my lappy is a dell inspiron 3000

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praet:

ack

[17:55:59]

Dagmar:

...and the PCMCIA controller is entirely dodgy when you try to use APM only

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sam_i:

so is the overall concensus here – change the card for nvidea

[17:56:28]

Dagmar:

sam_i: I think perhaps a more accurate representation would be "life is too short to fsck with fglrx"

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praet:

sam_i: test it with that 64mb one you've got.. i think you'll be in better shape

[17:56:52]

rsdvd:

sam_i : sounds that way! At least you will get more help in fixing it....more people use nvidia in here than Ati

[17:57:13]

Dagmar:

With really old nVidia cards you have to use the 7xxx drivers, but anything made after 2000 you can pretty much throw the latest at it and it "just works"

[17:57:23]

sam_i:

sounds nice

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sam_i:

"just works" and linux dont oftern happen...

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sam_i:

;)

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cesman:

bull

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sam_i:

:P

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sam_i:

well i havent been using all that long

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sam_i:

only about 3 months on and off

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Dagmar:

Actually, with the 2.6.x kernels, unless you're dealing with a hostile manufacturer or really new hardware, "just works" is more the norm

[17:59:31]

sam_i:

aye, sorry should of made it clear, i do like to fiddle hehe

[17:59:44]

sam_i:

more like 'if you break it, its your fault'

[17:59:57]

sam_i:

anyway, thanks for your help people

[18:00:01]

Dagmar:

Umm... or some of those goddamn chinese webcams

[18:00:06]

sam_i:

will give that a go for now and see how we go

[18:00:17]

Dagmar:

Run. The Hell. Away From Those.

[18:00:33]

Dagmar:

They have no respect for USB standards

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praet:

Dagmar| praet: Well, at least they're only $20 to replace

[18:01:15]

Dagmar:

I have been through nine of the things

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praet:

same for those webcams

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praet:

hahah

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Dagmar:

From that nine, there have been a total of five USB vend/prod numbers

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Dagmar:

Three of them are those damn sp50x chips which are pretty much a dice throw as to what's _really_ on the other side

[18:03:04]

Dagmar:

Two of them might as well have been purely fictional

[18:03:43]

praet:

security system?

[18:04:06]

Dagmar:

Sort of. Me trying to find a cheap way to stick a webcam in the peephole of my front door

[18:05:12]

Dagmar:

If you buy one of those chintzy little Kinamax things or whatever name the people making them are selling them under, you pretty much have to be ready to debug and/or modify the driver yourself

[18:06:04]

Dagmar:

One warning sign is when you Google the name and model and see Windows users hollering in forums that they couldn't get the driver to work, but downloaded another driver from some other company entirely and it did work

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fysa:

where's your sense of adventure??!

[18:06:42]

Zider:

in the closet probably ;)

[18:06:57]

Dagmar:

strangled to death in a rat's nest of crappy webcams

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fysa:

heh

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Gurft:

rsdvd: SOrry, was distracted by that WORK thing.... SilverstoneTek LC13

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Gurft:

it's a very plain faced case with an easily disabled power button so my daughter doesnt' push it ;)

[18:07:46]

Gurft:

She isn't crawling yet, but I'm protecting the mythbox proactively.

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W6SN:

how can i set it up so that nuvexport will run on ALL current recordings, clobbering existing files, and running with the same settings?

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Dagmar:

W6SN: Set everything in /etc/nuvexportrc and when you run nuvexport, how to get it to do *all* the recordings will be fairly obvious

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W6SN:

ok, thanks

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W6SN:

is there documentation on nuvexportrc?

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Dagmar:

in the file

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W6SN:

k, thanks

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Gurft:

Has anyone written anythign on performance tuning the mysql database? Searches seem to take an awful while that I would expect to run relatively quickly

[18:13:16]

Gurft:

and the HD just spins when the queries are run... I owudl think you could pin the program table in memory or something to speed up searches

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GreyFoxx:

Turn on query caching and you can see a substantial difference

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fysa:

my program table has 32,000 entries ;)

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GreyFoxx:

of course it also dependso n the specific query in question

[18:13:53]

Gurft:

GreyFoxx, is that in the wiki?

[18:14:01]

Gurft:

Mostly it's when I go into Program Finder

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Gurft:

it can take up to 2 minutes to get me a usable screen.

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GreyFoxx:

Gurft: No idea

[18:14:35]

GreyFoxx:

Gurft: That is more likely (though I'd have to test it) no database related

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fysa:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/91034

[18:15:03]

fysa:

second post

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fysa:

er, third.

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fysa:

his settings are pretty aggressive.

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W6SN:

is there a doc on how to use nuvexport for userjobs?

[18:17:49]

Dagmar:

Nothing other than the usage invocation

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fysa:

Gurft, since I found that data for you, you should copy/paste it into the wiki for us.

[18:18:29]

fysa:

That's the new rule.

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fysa:

:)

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Dagmar:

..which isn't apparently populated anymore

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fysa:

the wiki>?

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onewheelskyward:

You can dramatically increase the default size of the query cache in mysql, too, if you have the memory for it.

[18:22:03]

fysa:

that's what I just showed him ;)

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onewheelskyward:

heh nice. :)

[18:22:41]

juski:

used to take ages to load the EPG or program finder, but since I started mounting the icon dir to my frontend, it's v. quick

[18:23:01]

juski:

I have no idea what that has to do with the finder, but that's my experience FWIW

[18:23:34]

onewheelskyward:

That's a good thread.

[18:23:46]

juski:

FinnTux: for the record, thanks for your input :)

[18:23:53]

** juski watches everybody do a double take **

[18:24:08]

juski:

I dunno when I'll do it, but I'll do it

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W6SN:

hrm

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fysa:

Gurft?

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W6SN:

no way to directly call nuvexport as a userjob it seems

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fysa:

What are you trying to do?

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fysa:

NUV -> FLV?

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W6SN:

yeah

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juski:

W6SN: you can get nuvexport to output a list of commands it'd run, then you can use that to build a script to run as a user job

[18:25:05]

W6SN:

i have all that stuff setup

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W6SN:

but i need to just call it to run it on a particular file

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fysa:

I have MPEG2 -> FLV working via MythWeb..

[18:25:34]

juski:

isn't there already a wikiwikiwikiwiki entry about converting to flv anyway?

[18:26:03]

juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Stream_m . . . _flash_video

[18:30:57]

W6SN:

yeah

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W6SN:

but ffmpeg can't read nuv's properly

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juski:

far be it from me to suggest that buying a *proper* tuner card might ease the pain

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juski:

;)

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W6SN:

hrm?

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W6SN:

what would constitute a "proper" tuner card? :P

[18:34:56]

Dagmar:

Upgrade to a newer ffmpeg

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W6SN:

Dagmar: i'm running svn as of 2 days ago

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juski:

when I say 'proper' I of course mean anything other than one of those ghastly software encoding things

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W6SN:

this is a pvr-500 :P

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juski:

so you're transcoding recordings then? ouch

[18:38:11]

W6SN:

yeah, the recordings are being transcoded down to really low quality mp

[18:38:14]

W6SN:

err, mpg4

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Dagmar:

W6SN: Then it will have the NuppelVideo demuxer in libavformat

[18:38:51]

W6SN:

Dagmar: yes, and the nuppelvideo demuxer is broken.

[18:38:53]

Dagmar:

W6SN: Feel free to look for nuv.c if you doubt it

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Dagmar:

If you have a PVR-500 then why do you care about nuv exactly?

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juski:

no matter what the destination size/format is, everything benefits from being sourced from a higher quality

[18:39:47]

orko_:

hi. is the cronjob of mythtv-backend needed, if i tell mythtv to update epg by itself?

[18:40:11]

orko_:

i have two cronjobs here under debian one daily backend and one weekly mqsl stuff

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juski:

i.e. if you want to transcode to 2 formats, it's best not to transcode it to a lossy one in one step then transcode that material to a lower form – take both from the higher quality original instead

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W6SN:

Dagmar: space

[18:41:18]

Dagmar:

W6SN: That answer doesn't make sense.

[18:41:25]

juski:

get more space :)

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Dagmar:

NuppleVideo is *not* a container format you want to go *to*

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W6SN:

/dev/sdb1 244992000 214383112 30608888 88% /store02

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Dagmar:

You would already be in better shape from what comes out of the PVR-500

[18:42:05]

Dagmar:

Big deal

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W6SN:

i'm glad everyone seems to think they know what's best for my situation

[18:42:29]

Dagmar:

/dev/mapper/bulk_storage-bulk_volume 488342780 484299364 4043416 100% /space

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W6SN:

this is for low quality archival of tv broadcast for our station

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Dagmar:

So in other words, you're doing this for money and you're bitching about getting expert advice for free?

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W6SN:

# ls *.mpg *.nuv | wc

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W6SN:

1017 1017 24379

[18:43:14]

Dagmar:

NuppleVideo is a format you want to take videos *out* of

[18:43:23]

W6SN:

all our files are in that format

[18:43:28]

W6SN:

it's not a bad thing.

[18:43:30]

Dagmar:

It was not meant to be uber-compressive

[18:43:40]

Dagmar:

It was meant to be fast enough to make up for framegrabber cards sucking

[18:43:52]

Dagmar:

If you want small, you'll be heading the XviD route

[18:43:53]

W6SN:

it's a container

[18:44:28]

orko_:

http://pastebin.ca/387928 can anybody tell me what mythtv is doing there?

[18:44:30]

W6SN:

our .nuv's have xvid in them

[18:44:46]

Dagmar:

Okay, so have someone check for lead in the local water supply.

[18:45:13]

W6SN:

thanks for your answer.

[18:45:15]

Dagmar:

orko_: myth isn't doing any of that

[18:45:20]

Dagmar:

I'm not kidding.

[18:45:22]

FinnTux:

orko_, mythtv is doing nothing there

[18:45:28]

juski:

maybe chromium IV

[18:45:36]

W6SN:

*sigh*

[18:45:41]

Dagmar:

NuppelVideo was hacked together for framegrabbers.

[18:45:51]

Dagmar:

It's not a format you should be trying to convery files *into*

[18:46:02]

orko_:

FinnTux: Who is doiong anything there

[18:46:13]

juski:

W6SN: why not just ditch the .nuv & go straight to flv instead?

[18:46:23]

Dagmar:

It's about as deformed and hideous as it can be and still work

[18:46:25]

FinnTux:

orko_, cron

[18:46:26]

W6SN:

and it's choosing to put it into into .nuv's

[18:46:39]

W6SN:

juski: that may be our final choice

[18:46:40]

Dagmar:

No, you've somehow told it you want that.

[18:46:46]

FinnTux:

orko_, program that runs other scheduled programs

[18:46:47]

Dagmar:

Check your config

[18:46:48]

W6SN:

no dagmar. i use mythtranscode

[18:46:50]

orko_:

i know but why is there a cron job that is doing such things-

[18:46:57]

Dagmar:

The default behaviour is to put XviD/DivX into avi containers

[18:47:08]

Dagmar:

orko_: Because it's a linux machine and linux uses cron to keep things tidy

[18:47:10]

W6SN:

really? cuz i didn't tell it to go to .nuv's

[18:47:14]

juski:

is it? could have fooled me Dagmar

[18:47:14]

orko_:

FinnTux: Sorry i read the log the wrong way.

[18:47:15]

Dagmar:

Someone did

[18:47:16]

FinnTux:

orko_, ask the ones who made your distro

[18:47:19]

W6SN:

so it seems like the default is .nuv.

[18:47:32]

Dagmar:

Dude, I build this stuff from source every damn week

[18:47:41]

orko_:

FinnTux: i read mythtv istead of mythbox.

[18:47:41]

Dagmar:

I'm not just some clueless forum troll.

[18:47:42]

FinnTux:

orko_, just ignore them

[18:47:47]

W6SN:

wow, good for you, am i supposed to bow in reverance?

[18:48:03]

W6SN:

you don't need to get up on a podium and preach.

[18:48:10]

Dagmar:

No, I suspect you're supposed to find a consultant you can pay to tell you what you want to hear instead of telling you the truth.

[18:48:11]

juski:

anyway I'd have expected nuvexport to have been able to deal with mpeg4 nuv files okay

[18:48:25]

W6SN:

nuvexport has no problem with it

[18:48:28]

W6SN:

ffmpeg does

[18:48:37]

orko_:

FinnTux: if i set the mythtv settings to get mythfilldatabase updated ate 3 oclock. is this done by a cronjob too

[18:48:45]

Dagmar:

I dont have any of them to test with, but I've seen no indication that it can't transcode them out from that format

[18:48:49]

Dagmar:

Lots and *lots* of people do it

[18:48:51]

W6SN:

anyway, running nuvexport -infile /path/to/file.nuv

[18:48:55]

juski:

did you see my comment about being able to run nuvexport in such a way that it'd tell you what commands it'd run?

[18:48:56]

W6SN:

works fine

[18:49:23]

W6SN:

yeah juski, -debug

[18:49:33]

FinnTux:

orko_, I'm not exactly sure how mythtv's internal schedule works but I've used a cron job (until I started using EIT)

[18:49:39]

juski:

you can use that output as the basis to make your own user job script

[18:49:50]

Dagmar:

*I'm* telling you the default is *not* to emit NuppelVideo files, and the important thing here is that I am _correct_

[18:50:09]

juski:

they're mpeg4 files with the .nuv extension

[18:50:14]

orko_:

FinnTux: i found twao cronjobs dong something for mythtv. but i do not know where they came from and what they do. on does a mythfilldatabase --quit

[18:50:23]

W6SN:

yes, using .nuv as a container

[18:50:24]

W6SN:

not as a format.

[18:50:32]

W6SN:

which is what it did by DEFAULT

[18:51:05]

FinnTux:

orko_, that does the job then

[18:51:29]

MrGandalf:

Does anyone here run mythconverg on an InnoDB backand and see benefit over MyISAM?

[18:51:33]

orko_:

FinnTux: But the job is not startet the time a set in the mythtv settings for updating database

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juski:

the day mythtv exports to avi by default will be a cold one in hell. I've seen Isaac's comments about the avi container – which is why I doubt it'd ever do avi

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Dagmar:

MrGandalf: I don't think what we're doing with MySQL is really all that super-intensive enough to make much of a difference

[18:52:11]

W6SN:

Dagmar: care to tell me where it would be set to go to .nuv instead of divx

[18:52:17]

FinnTux:

orko_, are you it is not run twice?

[18:52:21]

Dagmar:

W6SN: no, because you've been a complete twit

[18:52:26]

W6SN:

figures.

[18:52:27]

juski:

W6SN: recording profiles / transcoders

[18:52:41]

juski:

that's where you set the output format

[18:52:42]

W6SN:

juski: nowhere is there an option for "use .nuv" is there? :)

[18:52:47]

juski:

not AFAIK

[18:52:51]

orko_:

FinnTux: theres is just one entry in cron.daily

[18:52:51]

W6SN:

that's what i thought

[18:52:58]

juski:

it certainly doesn't output AVI files

[18:53:15]

W6SN:

juski: but i must be a complete twit.

[18:53:19]

juski:

nuvexport can, but not mythtv

[18:53:20]

MrGandalf:

dagmar: My db runs at 50–100% of a CPU on a P4 dual xeon 1.5ghz system. My program table has nearly a half million rows.

[18:53:25]

W6SN:

so i'll just go and do this the way it is expected to

[18:53:36]

Dagmar:

MrGandalf: Have you *ever* let it flush out the old records?

[18:53:48]

FinnTux:

orko_, and you have that setting on in mythtv settings?

[18:54:00]

MrGandalf:

dagmar: please explain

[18:54:11]

juski:

the default action is for mythtv to clear out entries older than the current day

[18:54:35]

Dagmar:

MrGandalf: You can run optimize operations (optimize in a much saner sense than the Gentoo "omgoptimize" sense) that will dump the slack space from the tables

[18:54:36]

MrGandalf:

I assume the housekeeper flushes old program entries

[18:54:56]

juski:

MrGandalf: yes it does, but AFAIK for that to happen you need to run mythfilldatabase

[18:55:09]

MrGandalf:

juski: I do

[18:55:21]

orko_:

FinnTux: i activated mythtv to do the database update every morning at 3 oclock. the cronjob is set to 6.26

[18:55:37]

juski:

MrGandalf: you could trim it yourself with some mysql-fu

[18:55:41]

FinnTux:

orko_, just use one of them. no need to use both

[18:55:41]

MrGandalf:

I believe that many entries is normal for the number of channels I have.. I'm looking for a way to gain performance

[18:55:46]

Dagmar:

MrGandalf: One of the support scripts mythtv ships with is optimize_mythtv.pl. You might try checking your db sizes, running it, and then checking them again

[18:55:49]

GreyFoxx:

MrGandalf: mythfilldatabase clears out old programming and schedule data , so even if you are using EIT for program listings you should run mythfilldatabase . I just can't remember the flag to pass it

[18:55:55]

orko_:

FinnTux: ok. i will remove the crontjob, thanks.by

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juski:

delete from program where starttime < $currentdate; or so

[18:56:13]

Dagmar:

I can't think of anything other than a failure to delete old entries that would run things up to quite THAT many rows

[18:56:21]

Dagmar:

Unless you maybe have over 1000 channels.

[18:56:43]

MrGandalf:

greyfoxx: I run it daily to pick up program information for one of my sources.. so I believe entries are being removed.

[18:57:02]

MrGandalf:

dagmar: I do..

[18:57:29]

juski:

over 1000 channels?!

[18:57:31]

Dagmar:

MrGandalf: How much disk space does your mythconverg table's directory take up on disk?

[18:57:41]

juski:

jesus you need a proper server for the database then!

[18:57:51]

Dagmar:

I've got more or less "average" cable, and mines just 147Mb

[18:57:51]

W6SN:

juski: nuvexport doesn't seem to lbe able to let me choose all episodes easily (earlier question about using it on everything). easiest way is a for loop

[18:58:08]

GreyFoxx:

MrGandalf: Sound like it's not getting trimmed for some reason

[18:58:11]

MrGandalf:

half gig

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onewheelskyward:

I have 102k rows for my comcast cable listings.

[18:58:20]

juski:

half gig isn't unusual

[18:58:44]

Dagmar:

What's hard about entering a show number, then entering 'n' for "Choose another show"

[18:58:55]

juski:

maybe turn off binary logging if it's enabled, MrGandalf

[18:59:03]

Dagmar:

THAT is probably his demon

[18:59:10]

Dagmar:

...and I dont' mean daemon either.

[18:59:29]

MrGandalf:

juski: it's off :)

[18:59:29]

Dagmar:

bin-log == disk gobbleification

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juski:

mmm gobble

[19:00:01]

W6SN:

turkey?

[19:00:14]

W6SN:

mmm

[19:00:25]

Dagmar:

More like Rosie O'Donnel on the binge cycle

[19:00:32]

W6SN:

'ew'

[19:00:33]

juski:

are my eyes deceiving me? "Uk army awaits SkyNet launch" ?!

[19:00:38]

W6SN:

hahaha

[19:00:46]

W6SN:

the end of the world

[19:00:47]

Dagmar:

juski: They have to be ready to fight off the killer robots

[19:00:50]

W6SN:

it's a little over 3 hours from now

[19:01:23]

W6SN:

yay, this'll be a long ass job

[19:01:30]

juski:

I mean I'm hardly the kind of person to see Arnie films as some sort of portent, but this?!!!!

[19:01:53]

Dagmar:

juski: Probably everyone involved in that article's publication was chuckling up their sleeves

[19:02:20]

Dagmar:

News people *do* have some sense of humor, most of the time

[19:02:31]

Dagmar:

Those people just aren't allowed to pick which syndicated comics go into the paper.

[19:02:37]

juski:

no, the military have actually coined the name 'SkyNet'

[19:03:00]

juski:

it's still funny

[19:03:12]

W6SN:

yeah. who knows, maybe it's the same cnocept

[19:03:18]

W6SN:

(behind the public knowledge of what it is)

[19:03:23]

Dagmar:

Like, I'm sure the people doing the telescreen graphics at WAGT thought it was very funny.

[19:03:24]

Dagmar:

http://uweekly.com/cowtown/?p=246

[19:04:02]

Dagmar:

Look closely and you'll see the image saying things about the deliciousness of Krispy Kreme donuts that the marketing people at Krispy Kreme probably wish were claims they could make

[19:04:21]

Dagmar:

Me, I don't think they're quite *that* good.

[19:04:26]

onewheelskyward:

Did they ever bring that glaze-flavored milkshake to market?

[19:04:48]

juski:

not that you'd ever make out what it says from the youtube clip :)

[19:04:58]

Dagmar:

You can from the image at the top of the article.

[19:05:01]

Dagmar:

click and it gets bigger

[19:05:18]

W6SN:

krispy kreme donuts are really only good when fresh off thel ine

[19:05:32]

Dagmar:

Police would have had to come over to tranquilize me to stop me from laughing had I seen that live on the air

[19:05:54]

MrGandalf:

sorry about that..

[19:06:01]

MrGandalf:

damned work anyway..

[19:06:22]

GreyFoxx:

MrGandalf: try running mythfilldatabase --do-cleanup-only --no-delete

[19:06:24]

juski:

lucky Richard guy is all I can say

[19:06:54]

MrGandalf:

greyfoxx: k, sec.. I'll do a count of program rows before and after

[19:06:56]

GreyFoxx:

hmmm ok, maybe the cleanup has been removed in svn

[19:07:25]

GreyFoxx:

hold on before you try, I'm checkingthe source

[19:08:21]

MrGandalf:

seems it has

[19:08:41]

Dagmar:

Oooh that might turn ugly for some people

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laga:

Dagmar: class action law suits from husband who gave those donuts to their wives?

[19:10:27]

MrGandalf:

if I do a select starttime from program order by starttime limit 10, I see entries as old as yesterday and a couple strays and that's it

[19:10:31]

MrGandalf:

no older

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Dagmar:

laga: Could be.

[19:11:29]

Dagmar:

laga: I think the judge would throw those out based on the fact that no "reasonable person" would expect to take that seriously.

[19:11:38]

Dagmar:

s/fact/finding/;

[19:11:56]

MrGandalf:

but nobody has tried innodb? Mainly I want to make sure Myth won't choke of I convert my DB over to that.

[19:12:12]

Dagmar:

The funny thing was the morning after that aired, my boss, not having seen the news item yet, came into the office with a box from Krispy Kreme complaining they were out of the wheat donuts at 5:45am

[19:12:29]

Dagmar:

MrGandalf: I just left most everything in mine at the default

[19:13:10]

Dagmar:

My response was basically, "Well, I have heard they're really, really, really good."

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W6SN:

incidentally, dagmar, i wasn't pasting my line of disk space to show off, just showing you what i had to work with. we don't want or need high qual. it's just to pull up archives to see if certain spots aired when they were supposed to (compared against our as run logs)

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[19:22:20]

Gurft:

WOW, what a difference setting the query cache made.

[19:22:27]

Gurft:

night and day for the whole GUI.

[19:27:56]

GreyFoxx:

hehe

[19:28:04]

GreyFoxx:

I run mine with a 20m cache

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Gurft:

It's such an easy thing to set too...

[19:29:03]

Gurft:

UPS guy just got here :) :) :) Now I just have to finish work and I can go downstairs and play.

[19:29:48]

laga:

screw work

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laga:

;)

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MrGandalf:

greyfox: I've increased mine to 1gig (all told 2gig) in an attempt to gain performance.. didn't seem to help.

[19:31:58]

FinnTux:

what is good value for query cache? mine seems to be 16M

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Gurft:

I have a gig of memory in this box, so I increased the cache_size to 48M, and the cache_limit to 8M

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GreyFoxx:

MrGandalf: Crazy, subsequent lookups should be much faster, assuming the DB is the followneck. But there are other values to tweak like cache limit per query

[19:33:21]

Dagmar:

Without indepth knowledge of how MySQL works and what queries are being made, just guess in multiples of 16M until you get somethig you like

[19:33:37]

Gurft:

Dagmar: That's basically what I did

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Dagmar:

Perfectly reasonable

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Gurft:

the query_cache_limit is the maximum size of the RETURNED DATASET. So if you're pulling listings it needs to be pretty large.

[19:34:09]

Dagmar:

I've never bothered to increase mine from the default "small" my.cnf SLackware ships

[19:34:44]

Dagmar:

Seems that it has *no* limit on the cache size

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Gurft:

HA, so it just eats memory ;)

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GreyFoxx:

MrGandalf: You can also try turning on SlowQuery logging to log slow stuff. We can at least track down what it is that's slowing it down in particular

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GreyFoxx:

log-slow-queries=SlowQuery.log

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GreyFoxx:

set-variable = long_query_time=1

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GreyFoxx:

that says log any query that takes longer than 1 second

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Dagmar:

Gurft: Well, I've got 768Mb which is about 4x the size of the entire DB so I figure it's probably fine

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Gurft:

GreyFoxx, do you guys do any caching at the app layer, or do you rely on the DB?

[19:36:16]

GreyFoxx:

Gurft: The settings table data gets cached in the app itself

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GreyFoxx:

but other stuff doesn't

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Gurft:

Gotcha, why use the memory if the DB is 'fast enough'

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kormoc:

Gurft, as well as, why bother writing another cache layer when the database's layer is optimized and worked on by many many more people who do this professionally

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GreyFoxx:

We referrence teh settings from the Settings table a lot, hence why we cache it locally, otherwise we leave it to MySQL

[19:42:18]

Gurft:

Listen kormoc, I don't like this whole 'logic' and 'makes sense' attitude you're giving me. I work for IBM and that doesn't stand tall around here....

[19:42:28]

Gurft:

:)

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** kormoc laughs **

[19:43:45]

Gurft:

Sorry, my boss is a dolt and I just had a long argument with him about something quite silly to argue about.

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laga:

Gurft: fyi, this channel is being logged.

[19:45:07]

Gurft:

Thanks laga

[19:45:10]

** Gurft zips his lips ;) **

[19:45:59]

Gurft:

In all honesty, it's a great place to work, it's just so HUGE that sometimes people can hide very well....

[19:46:11]

laga:

Gurft: if you want something deleted, bug beirdo about it ;)

[19:46:13]

Gurft:

If you're a rockstar though, everyone wants to work with you. makes you a very busy person.

[19:46:15]

Gurft:

:)

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Gurft:

If only I could get myth to compile on AIX.....

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Dagmar:

lol

[19:47:06]

Dagmar:

no.

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Gurft:

and TV decoders that were supported .....

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Dagmar:

...and AIX that didn't blow

[19:47:43]

** hjohnson works for a tiny company.. **

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hjohnson:

well, 45 people

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Gurft:

Dagmar, sounds like AIX has burned you?

[19:49:32]

Dagmar:

Oh yes

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Dagmar:

Although it wasn't so much AIX as the admins who had never applied a single patch to the cluster, ever.

[19:49:58]

Gurft:

Ahh, hold on

[19:50:04]

Gurft:

HACMP is the spawn of the devil him/herself

[19:50:22]

Gurft:

Even I'd rather remove my eye with a grapefruit spoon then spend any long period of time supporting HACMP.

[19:50:30]

Dagmar:

Seeing an installation of AIX five+ years old with no patches is worse

[19:50:47]

Gurft:

Yes, it's a very scary place.

[19:50:55]

Gurft:

I guess it was "it isnt' broken, so I'm not patching it"

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Dagmar:

The admin in question challenged me to "do it" when I told him I knew fifteen-year olds who could crack that and erase it all in under 10 minute

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hjohnson:

or VMS with the default passwords..

[19:51:19]

Dagmar:

I *accidentally* got root five times while just doing testing

[19:51:44]

Gurft:

See now, I don't think you're playing fair. you had REALLY bad admins.

[19:51:51]

Gurft:

a quality Admin can run AIX beautifully.

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Gurft:

I dont' have a single box with more than 90 days uptime...

[19:52:18]

Gurft:

Becuase I patch EVERY QUARTER

[19:52:19]

Dagmar:

The company I was working for got their money on the CISSP cert because if I hadn't had it I would have blown that whole cluster offline right then and there

[19:52:25]

MrGandalf:

running optimize on recordedseek taking forever.. think it has something to do with the recent optimization put into svn for that table.

[19:52:46]

Gurft:

LOL

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Dagmar:

...but you can bet your ass that would have made the papers

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Dagmar:

This was a big company and that was their internal billing system

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Gurft:

Lordy

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Dagmar:

They have since fired the asshole with prejudice, in part because of my exit interview

[19:53:29]

Dagmar:

So, *something* good came of me working there at least.

[19:53:45]

Gurft:

When I was at EMC, I used to go to sites of large companies that would just make me cringe.... I switched banks becuase I saw what was handling my direct deposit interface....

[19:53:51]

Dagmar:

They gave me my first, second, and third migraines

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Gurft:

hahaha

[19:54:30]

Dagmar:

I have been promised that since then, things *were* patched up, although it took them almost a year to catch up

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Gurft:

I can think of 2 medical records companies that you coudl probably just walk through the door of the datacenter wihtout being challenged.

[19:54:34]

Gurft:

1 the dorr is outside the building....

[19:54:57]

Gurft:

You know what.... people don't think anymore....

[19:55:05]

Dagmar:

Oh I can think of one who thousands of people use, and whose whole schlamiel is built on SCO Unix, and one of their standard tools is a world-executeable suid-root shell.

[19:55:08]

Gurft:

A datacenter and a server used to be something special... now it's so commonplace.

[19:55:31]

Gurft:

And you guys yell at me when I tell you we dont' have ssh keys setup thoguhout our environment.

[19:55:38]

Dagmar:

I have no idea how that sits with HIPPA compliance, but I suspect there's a lot of smoke and mirrors involved.

[19:56:19]

MrGandalf:

or a full root fs..

[19:56:52]

Gurft:

Hey, next week my NDA with EMC is up.... I just realized that.

[19:57:05]

Dagmar:

We just bought a bunhc of their stuff. We'll talk later. :)

[19:57:37]

Dagmar:

I would rather be able to point the guys responsible for securing it in the right direction, rather than get "borrowed" to help clean up after a problem

[19:57:41]

Dagmar:

heh

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W6SN:

yay for nda expiration.

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MrGandalf:

the db optimize seemed to have helped.. down to ~30% CPU now

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Dagmar:

I have mine doing that once a week, and a *very* thorough checking when I boot up

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madelephant:

howdy

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madelephant:

anyone have a lot of experience messing with overscan?

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dustybin:

does anybody know how to turn the subtitles off so they automatically dont come on in the first place?

[20:05:59]

gbee:

it's under the tv playback options iirc

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juski:

madelephant: see the wiki entry about overscan

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GreyFoxx:

dustybin: In the frontend, playback settings, The same screen as wheere you pick the OSD

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dustybin:

ok thanks :)

[20:06:23]

GreyFoxx:

"always display closed captioning or subtitles" ... uncheck it if it's on

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jams:

GreyFoxx- if found a solution, not for sure it's the "right" solution but it's working!

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jams:

now on to using the collected information

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juski:

dustybin: but remember to turn them back on to watch TV with 'regional' accents :-P

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dustybin:

hehe

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Oops... I just joined "#myttv-users" — there was nobody there... go figure! ;-)

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madelephant:

i used nvidia-settings to set the overscan

[20:19:37]

madelephant:

the problem is i have to cut a lot off the left and right side of picture to get the top and bottom to reach the edges of the screen

[20:19:37]

Gurft:

I just set it in my xorg.conf for the nvidia driver...

[20:19:48]

juski:

madelephant: that's the way it is

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madelephant:

shitty

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Gurft:

madelephant: you have to modify the GUI size in the settings so that it fits right after you overscan.

[20:20:17]

juski:

funny but it says that in the wiki entry

[20:20:26]

Gurft:

and it's different from TV to TV how much or how little you need to add or remove.

[20:20:35]

juski:

you use nvidia-settings to make the video output fill the TV screen

[20:20:47]

juski:

then you adjust mythtv's gui to fit

[20:21:46]

juski:

it's a PITA to do, but it isn't something you need do more than once, generally

[20:22:13]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

madfactor: what brand is your TV?

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Gurft:

Only when you have to rebuild your mythtv box from scratch becuase you weren't smart enough to take backups

[20:22:25]

** Gurft has done it 3 times. **

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dustybin:

and dont forget to remove the blue chroma key

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dustybin:

xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 66048

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Gurft:

dustybin: I've never actually done that and never needed to...

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juski:

Gurft: you could always write down the GUI size & offset settings

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Gurft:

that woudl be a backup juski

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Gurft:

and you know how I feel about backups

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juski:

of course

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** J-e-f-f-A|work had to re-build his myth box from scratch once when his OS HDD went south... Good learning experience! ;-) **

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juski:

I think I'll be migrating to xfs tonight

[20:24:25]

W6SN:

heh, oops.

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** J-e-f-f-A|work uses JFS **

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dustybin:

i use xfx for my main video partition, it works well with large files

[20:24:39]

W6SN:

juski, remember when i was having issues with myth crashing all the time?

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dustybin:

xfs

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juski:

if nothing else but to see if it stops the backend fally over

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** Gurft uses JFS **

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juski:

damn iobound messages

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dustybin:

ive never had a problem with my xfx video partition

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W6SN:

i had turned logging WAY up... and left it heh, no logrotate on the backend log :)

[20:25:16]

dustybin:

xfs

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

juski: Did your backend *physically* fall over, or 'crash'?

[20:25:34]

juski:

it falls over sometimes

[20:25:41]

juski:

never used to happen on gentoo

[20:25:45]

dustybin:

maybe it drinks too much vodka?

[20:25:57]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

juski: You need a ratchet strap! ;-)

[20:26:07]

juski:

mmmyers

[20:26:34]

juski:

well, the last few times it's randomly stopped there's been nothing of note in the log

[20:26:44]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

If my backend 'fell over', it'd have a 6' fall to the floor... it would not be pretty!!!

[20:26:46]

juski:

apart from last night when I saw the iobound messages

[20:27:11]

juski:

all the hdds in the box are healthy, so I'm stuck for ideas

[20:27:24]

juski:

plus the slowness of ext3 is starting to piss me off now

[20:27:33]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

juski: Perhaps the same person that compromised your home pc got to your myth box?

[20:27:44]

juski:

J-e-f-f-A|work: it's clean

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dustybin:

juski: try using xfs, that file system is designed for large files

[20:27:59]

madelephant:

how do you guys backup your mythboxes?

[20:28:06]

juski:

backup the database

[20:28:14]

dustybin:

backup, whats that mean?

[20:28:16]

juski:

couldn't really give a rat's arse about recordings

[20:28:41]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

juski: Well, that's good. Hummm. is the hardware ok? (ie memtest86 ...)

[20:28:45]

juski:

keep all your important files (xorg.conf, fstab etc) in a safe place too

[20:28:46]

W6SN:

i use xfs as well

[20:28:57]

juski:

J-e-f-f-A|work: I'm not taking the box down to do pissy memory tests

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dustybin:

the only thing i would consider backing up on my mythbox is my MP3s, although a ghost of the main OS would be a nice time saving idea but i quite enjoy reinstalling

[20:29:23]

gbee:

dustybin: backup is the thing I keep saying "I'll do it tomorrow"

[20:29:44]

dustybin:

there isnt really much u need backed up? old episodes of corrie? o_0

[20:29:58]

madelephant:

juski: how do you backup the db?

[20:30:23]

juski:

I have a nifty cron job to do that

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

juski: I understand... but if you've got a 'window' of an hour or so, it would be a quick confirmation that it's not a memory issue... (I have seen memory go bad – not all that often, but it does happen)...

[20:30:30]

dustybin:

ive backed up databases in the past for other things using phpmyadmin control panel, A LOT easier than using sql command prompt..!

[20:30:54]

juski:

J-e-f-f-A|work: if it was memory I think more than the backend would stop

[20:31:34]

juski:

anyway it seems to happen at regular intervals.. at least the iobound messages in the log – they're weekly

[20:31:46]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

juski: Yeah, probably... Just trying to help troubleshoot... ;-)

[20:31:56]

juski:

actually that might well be my backup script causing the extra fs load

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dustybin:

juski: RTFM :p

[20:32:32]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

dustybin: Yeah, but can you control that with a cron job? ;-)

[20:32:41]

juski:

if the iobound messages all took place at around the same time I'd def. say it was a cron job at fault

[20:33:06]

juski:

but they're only *about* 7 days apart.. or 7 days give or take a couple of hours

[20:33:16]

dustybin:

J-e-f-f-A|work: ive also used to use a cron to backup a database on my website, i think ive got it written down how i did it, hold on

[20:33:18]

Gurft:

weekly cron job ;)

[20:33:55]

juski:

pity there doesn't seem to be a way to 'nice' file accesses

[20:33:56]

gbee:

If I was really concerned about backing up, I'd probably opt for Raid 1 not for the recordings disk, but for everything else

[20:33:56]

Gurft:

Pictures of the new case, and my helper: http://www.flickr.com/gp/99626226@N00/948Fx5

[20:33:58]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

dustybin: You mentioned using phpmyadmin control panel to do your backup — that's a manual process, where a cron job can do it automatically...

[20:34:41]

dustybin:

no no, i used to do it manual but after i implemented a cron

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juski:

the script I use to bakup my db is called something friendly like backupmydamnmysqldatabases.sh

[20:34:45]

dustybin:

ive got the config files i used

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dustybin:

ill upload them

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juski:

ahhh yes... automysqlbackup.sh

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Gurft: Silverstone? Does it have a VFD display on the front?

[20:35:23]

gbee:

well some sort of raid, never really learnt the differences between the types

[20:35:33]

Gurft:

No, I specifically got one that closes up completely in the front

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Gurft:

so whenm my daughter starts to crawl, I dont' have any worries about her pushing buttons...

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juski:

gbee: not JBOD then? our marketing dept at work are gonna try sell a box which is JBOD as 'more reliable than RAID'. :-|

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dustybin:

this is what i used, i put this into a script and activated as a cron job

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

gbee: There's different types of raid ... Raid 0 is more-or-less like LVM (no striping...lose a drive, and BYE-BYE!)

[20:36:34]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

gbee: Raid1 is Mirrored disks...

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juski:

there are wikis for this.. I'm begging you not to reel off all the raid terms. please :)

[20:37:24]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

juski: sorry..

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juski:

don't wanna repeat the LVM vs whatever discussion again. it went on for DAYS

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

heh

[20:37:57]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

hehe

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Gurft:

We just had it earlier today too.

[20:38:39]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

I only run LVM instead of a raid because I'm too cheap to loose a drive worth of space... ;-) The videos aren't THAT important to me...

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gbee:

I'd only use raid for data integrity reasons using pair of small drives, for system files, the database etc

[20:39:08]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

(ie – a drive worth of capacity...)

[20:39:24]

dustybin:

save this into a script, make obvious changes and activate it with cron

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dustybin:

mysqldump -u dbusername -ppassword dbname > output.sql

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dustybin:

gzip output.sql

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dustybin:

mv output.sql.gz/where/you/want/backups/`date +vbulletin.sql-%Y%m%d.gz`

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dustybin:

remove that vbulletin and change to output or whatever u want

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W6SN:

hrm

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dustybin:

that worked well!

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juski:

google for that sh I posted earlier

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juski:

it's ace!

[20:40:34]

W6SN:

hrm

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juski:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/automysqlbackup/

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W6SN:

why the hell are these userjobs not running :(

[20:41:10]

W6SN:

still queued

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juski:

W6SN: make sure you've allowed them to run between the times you want them to run

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W6SN:

hrm, where are the settings for time

[20:42:37]

juski:

mythtv-setup

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W6SN:

k, checking

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juski:

general

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gbee:

juski: I'd be *really* interested to see how exactly they justify JBOD being more reliable than Raid :D Of course it will be bullshit, but it's got to be clever bullshit :)

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juski:

gbee: it's not clever. it's a speed-controlled fan per disk

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dustybin:

that autoscript looks good

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laga:

quite sophisticated

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juski:

their initial idea was to have all 5 disks on a removable tray & be able to pull out the tray while all the HDDs are still powered up

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gbee:

oh, that's really, really disappointing :(

[20:44:24]

juski:

I know marketing depts are notorious for needing a major clout with a 2x4 but this lot are taking the piss

[20:45:14]

juski:

I'm looking for a new job, one closer to home

[20:46:15]

juski:

why is it, anyway, that marketing types never invite engineers to product development meetings?

[20:46:41]

onewheelskyward:

They don't like the competition.

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juski:

what competition? we're all on the same side

[20:47:32]

onewheelskyward:

I think it's trust issues. They don't have faith that the engineer will be able to work through the idea development cycle without saying 'no' a whole lot.

[20:47:46]

juski:

heheh

[20:48:02]

juski:

in other words they're scared of finding out their ideas are shite

[20:48:18]

onewheelskyward:

Something like that. :)

[20:48:24]

laga:

the engineers might get very nervous

[20:48:33]

onewheelskyward:

I used to work really closely with my marketing dept. It was quite fun,actually.

[20:48:47]

onewheelskyward:

It was a website startup though, so we had a lot of flexibility.

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juski:

our lot should stick to designing logos

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juski:

they must have pretty short memories too, since late last year we started to put stickers on the lids of our products telling the customers not to move the units while they're powered up

[20:50:45]

juski:

the world is full of stupid people. they must die!

[20:52:03]

hjohnson:

juski: naw, just meet me at the mission at midnight and we'll divy up there.

[20:53:23]

juski:

this is a true story.. we had a show last year demoing a new product that uses video feeds to detect smoke

[20:53:54]

onewheelskyward:

That's interesting.

[20:53:59]

juski:

a techie wired a bunch of camera power supplies up wrongly & caused a release of magic blue stuff

[20:54:11]

juski:

the smoke detection software didn't spot it :)

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gbee:

heh

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Humm... I wonder why? ;-)

[20:55:14]

juski:

ah no, the cameras that smoked weren't the ones doing the detection.. but nm

[20:56:21]

** laga budweisers juski **

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onewheelskyward:

That seems like a step backwards from smoke detectors that actually analyze the elements in the air. Some smoke isn't so smokey.

[20:57:10]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

juski: Ok,so they didn't detect BLUE smoke... I think they needed some calibration!

[20:57:27]

laga:

onewheelskyward: depends on the cctv company's definition of "smoke" :)

[20:57:36]

laga:

J-e-f-f-A|work: it was MAGIC smoke.

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W6SN:

damn

[20:58:06]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

hehe... ;-)

[20:58:23]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

nmad

[20:58:27]

** W6SN grumbles... something is sending 1/2 a megatit up our microwave link... i get to track it down **

[20:58:33]

W6SN:

err, megatit? megabit heh

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juski:

a megatit might be worth intercepting

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

juski: quick — kill that feed! ;-)

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W6SN:

i'd let it keep going ;)

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laga:

W6SN: is "microwave link" just a fancy name for an 802.11g connection?

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onewheelskyward:

When did they start taxing internet radio?

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madelephant:

like last week

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juski:

onewheelskyward: they always have. well for the last few years anyhow

[21:00:21]

W6SN:

laga: no. 23ghz link

[21:00:26]

juski:

only now it's even more so

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laga:

W6SN: oh nifty

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madelephant:

the royalty board fucked internet radio last week

[21:00:41]

onewheelskyward:

I just heard an announcement on my favorite station, KCRW.

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W6SN:

licensed link even

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juski:

the nasty irony is that in the UK it's cheaper to stream when you already have a 'real' radio licence

[21:01:11]

juski:

pay per listener. FFS

[21:01:36]

onewheelskyward:

Yeah. Per song, per listener.

[21:01:45]

W6SN:

<Blackgoth> in some shithole in england

[21:01:45]

W6SN:

<Aurelius> that narrows it down.... to england

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W6SN:

(the latter is me)

[21:02:13]

juski:

that's a nice generalisation bound to win you friends

[21:02:17]

onewheelskyward:

It sucks, especially when it taxes public stations.

[21:02:38]

juski:

drive it underground.. pirate internet radio ftw!

[21:03:06]

W6SN:

juski: that's in a channel with a bunch of friends .. we all take the piss out on each other and our nations :)

[21:04:00]

juski:

maybe TV is gonna go the same way

[21:04:06]

juski:

pay per view, per customer

[21:04:42]

juski:

the tech is already in place for em to do it, all it'd take is for the consumer to bend over

[21:06:14]

juski:

anyway.. it's friday night! I should be doing something nice & uplifting

[21:06:33]

onewheelskyward:

I'm planning to catch 300 at the local theatre.

[21:06:47]

** laga is going to turn that 200gb drive into something usefule for backups **

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madelephant:

juski: i asked you before about bakcing up the db but i crashed before i saw your response

[21:06:56]

juski:

'300' ?

[21:07:01]

juski:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/automysqlbackup/

[21:07:05]

W6SN:

a movie

[21:07:08]

W6SN:

about some 300 guys

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W6SN:

who fought something

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madelephant:

thanks

[21:07:14]

W6SN:

for something else heh

[21:07:16]

madelephant:

it's good

[21:07:19]

madelephant:

i saw it last night

[21:07:21]

onewheelskyward:

That's about all I know about it. hehe

[21:07:22]

madelephant:

sick fight scenes

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juski:

sounds er.. riveting, I'm sure

[21:07:45]

madelephant:

it's about the spartans defending greece against the persian army

[21:07:53]

madelephant:

based on a frank miller graphic novel

[21:07:55]

W6SN:

ah

[21:08:04]

madelephant:

same guy who wrote sin city

[21:08:04]

onewheelskyward:

See W6, you were right!

[21:08:13]

W6SN:

yippee

[21:08:18]

juski:

I watched about 30s of sin city

[21:08:27]

juski:

then the phone rang. never watched any more

[21:08:37]

madelephant:

that sucks, its a good flick

[21:08:42]

W6SN:

hrm, this transcode is gonig to take forever

[21:09:09]

W6SN:

start_time_sep -> 2007-02-01-21-00–00

[21:09:12]

juski:

madelephant: thousands of people said Star Wars Episode One was great ;)

[21:09:24]

W6SN:

and it's moving forward towards today

[21:09:41]

madelephant:

well if you like graphic novels you will like sin city / 300

[21:09:49]

onewheelskyward:

I liked sin city.

[21:10:15]

madelephant:

300 > sin city also

[21:11:04]

madelephant:

juski: how large is a typical sql backup?

[21:11:17]

madelephant:

sql db i mean, converg, etc

[21:11:19]

juski:

how large is a typical piece of string? ;)

[21:11:56]

juski:

my database is about 500MB, compresses down to about 128MB ish

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madelephant:

hah, well i'm new to this stuff, i don't know what exactly the mythtv db is holding

[21:12:09]

madelephant:

besides settings

[21:12:11]

madelephant:

channels

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juski:

that's 2 weeks of EPG data for about 150 channels, few thousand musak tracks, hundreds of videos, about 300 recordings

[21:12:58]

laga:

wow

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juski:

when I say 'thousands' I mean like about 1500 or so ish

[21:14:31]

juski:

and hundreds of videos.. er.. maybe 200 or so

[21:14:56]

madelephant:

the db just holds info about the videos/music etc, not the actual files themselves?

[21:15:00]

juski:

maybe not 300 recordings, but there's over 7 days worth

[21:15:01]

laga:

that's a lot of disk space

[21:15:18]

juski:

madelephant: yeah the db is just metadata

[21:15:35]

juski:

laga: about a terabyte

[21:15:43]

madelephant:

do you have a script to do the backup daily (whatever interval)?

[21:15:45]

W6SN:

what are some debug levels for myth-verbose?

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W6SN:

all, debug, info?

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laga:

juski: not bad

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niter3:

Hey guys, everytime I do a mythfilldatabase or whenever my channel info updates I seem to get A LOT of "unknown channel/shows"

[21:16:23]

madelephant:

what drives do you use? WD, seagate, dare I say maxtor? SATA?

[21:16:23]

niter3:

Anyone know of a fix for this

[21:16:27]

GreyFoxx:

W6SN: run -v help

[21:16:53]

W6SN:

ah, excellent. thanks greyfoxx

[21:17:17]

** laga uses samsung mostly **

[21:17:31]

W6SN:

i personally have WD's at home

[21:18:00]

madelephant:

yeah I'm using a WD 16mb cache atm

[21:18:04]

madelephant:

caviar i mean

[21:18:25]

madelephant:

got good reviews from tomshardware, etc

[21:18:37]

madelephant:

had too many maxtors die on me to get another

[21:18:49]

niter3:

Hey guys, everytime I do a mythfilldatabase or whenever my channel info updates I seem to get A LOT of "unknown channel/shows"

[21:19:15]

laga:

niter3: please don't flood

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niter3:

this is stupid

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W6SN:

hah. so restarting mythbackend with jobs running... it restarts em ;(

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robbie:

mornings

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robbie:

anyone got a repeat problem with a mceusb2 remote ?

[21:24:41]

niter3:

anyone have these issues where you don't get your full tv guide?:

[21:24:52]

niter3:

you get unknown missing channels and junk?

[21:25:01]

robbie:

000000037ff07bdf 00 LEFT mceusb2

[21:25:02]

robbie:

000000037ff07bdf 00 LEFT mceusb2

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robbie:

repeats fro mirw then it startes counting up aftr about 10

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Fifth_:

niter3, sorry no, mythfilldatabase has always worked great with zap2it for me

[21:27:56]

niter3:

zap2it .. hrm.. that's obviously what i'm using but I always get a series of channels that give me unkonw channel.

[21:28:20]

W6SN:

how can one 're'new' their zap2it

[21:28:21]

niter3:

Now it's not showing some of my upcoming recording because it never pulled the info from it.

[21:28:26]

W6SN:

i haven't lokoed into it yet

[21:28:58]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

niter3: Did you do a manual channel scan or something? Perhaps your 'unknown' channels are not known to zap2it?

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niter3:

those channels are listed on zap2it...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

niter3: Humm... that's the only thing I could thiink of... :-( Sorry – not sure what else to check...

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madelephant:

niter3: try clearing your channels out

[21:35:39]

madelephant:

in mythtv-setup

[21:35:55]

madelephant:

and then do the Fetch Channels, instead of the other search

[21:37:19]

niter3:

what will happen to all my programed upcoming recordings?

[21:43:40]

onewheelskyward:

It won't recordi t if it has recorded that episode before, if you enabled title & description matching.

[21:43:56]

onewheelskyward:

If it hasn't recorded it before, it will record reruns, because Myth thinks you haven't watched it yet.

[21:44:46]

niter3:

hrm...... Ok....

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niter3:

hrm... I'm trying to figure out hrm.. ok

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niter3:

where does it get the info that it's a rerun?

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onewheelskyward:

From the program listings.

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praet:

database

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onewheelskyward:

They will state 'Repeat' if it's not a new episode. At least on my US-cable listings.

[21:47:57]

juski:

robbie: remotes send key codes more than once to make sure they are received

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juski:

read the lirc docs about what the 'repeat' and 'delay' parts of a lircrc file mean

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praet:

robbie: i think the lirc files account for repeat presses

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niter3:

hrm..

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onewheelskyward:

Actually, since it's a left arrow key he's hitting, chances are the remote repeats it.

[21:50:39]

juski:

W6SN: near when your zap2it account expires they should send you an email telling you so, enabling you to refresh your subs

[21:51:36]

juski:

remotes usually send all keypresses at least twice, which is why lirc has 'repeat' and 'delay' settings to enable you to filter the repeats

[21:52:05]

praet:

you can only renew within one month

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niter3:

i never seem to get channels from 55–71

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niter3:

Zap2It Labs has them selected.. I just get unknown

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niter3:

Adding Channel – NO DATA

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praet:

lo daviey

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daviey:

hi praet

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Beirdo:

muhahaha

[22:01:54]

Beirdo:

installing Win98SE on a CD-ROM-less machine

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praet:

hows that going B

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Beirdo:

from a USB key... on a machine with no USB booting support

[22:02:18]

Beirdo:

70% installed :)

[22:02:28]

Beirdo:

it took a bit of smackin stuff around

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praet:

creative thinking

[22:02:50]

Beirdo:

and USBaspi.sys and another driver for USB mass storage in MS-DOS

[22:02:52]

Beirdo:

heh

[22:03:06]

Beirdo:

so the boot "floppy" sees the USB key as d:

[22:03:17]

Beirdo:

no floppy drive either, BTW

[22:04:01]

Beirdo:

I think after the first reboot's gonna be the tough one

[22:04:06]

W6SN:

juski: awesome.

[22:04:17]

Beirdo:

find out in a few minutes...

[22:05:36]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Beirdo: Wow.. Win98SE? I'm shocked... Linux! Linux! Linux! ;-)

[22:05:47]

juski:

W6SN: nah. the lunar eclipse I saw last week was awesome

[22:05:57]

Beirdo:

heh. I have Linux for it already

[22:06:10]

Beirdo:

I want this to be a "reinstall to this OS cleanly" POS

[22:06:29]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Beirdo: At least you're not installing "Mellium Edition"...

[22:06:46]

Beirdo:

Disk I/O error!?

[22:06:49]

Beirdo:

WTF?

[22:06:59]

W6SN:

juski: yeah, i missed taht

[22:09:27]

W6SN:

yay, i got the flash stuff working perfectly

[22:09:44]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Beirdo: Perhaps no MBR on the HDD?

[22:09:52]

W6SN:

now the waitnig game for everything to re-encode to flv

[22:10:04]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Beirdo: and/or not set to 'active'?

[22:13:29]

Beirdo:

windows setup's supposed to take care of that, I thought

[22:13:36]

Beirdo:

but good point, I'll check

[22:15:41]

Beirdo:

still doesn't like it

[22:15:43]

Beirdo:

oddddd

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onewheelskyward:

juski: Are you in europe? Did you see the full effect?

[22:17:16]

juski:

in the UK, saw the whole thing :)

[22:17:35]

juski:

amazingly, the cloud over manchester parted for just long enough to see it

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praet:

anyone have a good tool to map out a windows lan

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juski:

nmap ?

[22:18:49]

praet:

like a network topography

[22:19:05]

juski:

just scribble on a bit of paper?

[22:19:10]

praet:

well i want to list thier folder shares for them

[22:19:41]

juski:

get a script kiddie to do it for you

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kormoc_:

praet, you could google samba share lookup utils

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praet:

hmm

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juski:

duh my backend is still recording. need to start migrating already damnit

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juski:

maybe I could just don my hazmat suit & start looking at mythmusic

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xris:

heh

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Beirdo:

so, formatting the disk again using Windows98's format

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Beirdo:

which IS on the install CD, I thought it wasn't

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** Beirdo is a fool **

[22:27:24]

Beirdo:

then I'll try the install again :)

[22:28:13]

juski:

I'm very confused

[22:28:18]

Beirdo:

?

[22:28:27]

Beirdo:

whatcha sniffin?

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laga:

pattex makes me sneeze :/

[22:28:46]

juski:

why would somebody want to change mythmusic's transport buttons to checkboxes when the normal pushbuttons can be toggles too?

[22:29:00]

Beirdo:

while this runs, I'll look for a live cd image :)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Beirdo: If the MBR was goofed up, you could have just done an "fdisk /mbr c:" to fix it – it doesn't wipe the HDD...

[22:37:16]

Beirdo:

I did

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Beirdo:

it didn't change squat :(

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Beirdo:

trying again :)

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daviey:

Who was the guy using 2.6.20.x kernel – compiling HEAD lirc?

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praet:

Beirdo: why not throw a fat formatted drive with system files and a copy of the windows install dir on it?

[22:49:39]

Beirdo:

meh :)

[22:49:43]

Beirdo:

where's the fun in that?

[22:49:46]

praet:

hahah

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praet:

i knew itr

[22:50:27]

praet:

id like to see if there is sa speed increas to running an oss off a usb key

[22:50:42]

Beirdo:

well, I don't want to RUN off it...

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praet:

understood that

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Beirdo:

although it's faster than a crap CDROM or a floppy :)

[22:51:00]

praet:

minimyth does it...

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praet:

aha

[22:51:07]

Beirdo:

almost reboot time again

[22:52:14]

Beirdo:

worked that time

[22:52:24]

praet:

driver issues to work out?

[22:53:22]

Beirdo:

well the first time the filesystem was formatted in Linux

[22:53:27]

Beirdo:

the second time in Windows

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Beirdo:

heh

[22:54:54]

onewheelskyward:

daviey: Hmmm...it scrolled off my log.

[22:55:26]

Beirdo:

gah, had to kneel on the tile floor to read the licence key off the back of the machine

[22:55:31]

Beirdo:

that's not comfortable

[22:56:50]

Beirdo:

reboot #2

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madelephant:

juski you here still?

[22:57:03]

juski:

jup

[22:57:24]

praet:

the fact that mythtv exists blows the mind of many a friend

[22:58:05]

juski:

you want me to leave, praet ?

[22:58:22]

praet:

?

[22:58:42]

juski:

never mind

[22:58:58]

Beirdo:

wow, praet has friends?

[22:59:09]

Beirdo:

he hasn't hung out here long enough, still has a life

[22:59:44]

juski:

a.. l i f e ?

[22:59:46]

juski:

wossat?

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Beirdo:

good question

[23:00:06]

praet:

like when peaple say 'waf' to me = friends

[23:00:10]

juski:

you know you're doomed when you start to read myth source code cos you're bored

[23:00:34]

praet:

whats an easy way to contrib to myth

[23:00:36]

Beirdo:

my wife is trying to coordinate a stupid coworker and a client in Colorado... over the phone

[23:00:39]

praet:

documentation?

[23:01:06]

juski:

praet: docs, being nice to clueless users, spreading the word, sending theme designers big fat cheques...

[23:01:14]

praet:

ahaha

[23:01:16]

Beirdo:

and reboot #3. Gotta love Win98 installs

[23:01:20]

onewheelskyward:

praet: I'd love to see a comprehensive frontend keyboard shortcut doc put into the main documentation.

[23:01:36]

praet:

there is keys in the menu now

[23:01:51]

juski:

every little bit of code helps, too

[23:01:53]

praet:

i mean the key mapping can be edited right from menu

[23:02:03]

onewheelskyward:

which menu where? aah I see. That's nice. Is that a 0.21 release thing?

[23:02:15]

praet:

hrmm.. i hve it on .20 install

[23:02:22]

juski:

maybe make some docs in a Fisher-Price style to help the less clued ones

[23:02:31]

onewheelskyward:

Under Setup/...where?

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juski:

edit keys

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praet:

jus you fasyt

[23:02:48]

juski:

only if you have mythcontrols install though

[23:02:53]

praet:

right

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onewheelskyward:

That's what's missing. Ok.

[23:03:07]

praet:

it does come in with yum install mythtv-suite

[23:03:09]

Beirdo:

ahaha

[23:03:12]

juski:

or mythweb – that has a key binding editor

[23:03:20]

praet:

that was the original way

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Beirdo:

Win98 has no USB Hard Drive drivers installed

[23:03:29]

Beirdo:

wunderbar

[23:03:29]

praet:

what is xris working on now?

[23:03:41]

onewheelskyward:

I'm on gentoo. Looks like media-plugins/mythcontrols.

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xris:

praet: www.siliconmechanics.com :)

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xris:

or did you not mean "right now". ;)

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praet:

hahah

[23:04:02]

juski:

some lazy guy was working on redesigning the website but totally ran out of ideas. maybe helping with that would be classed as a contribution too ;)

[23:04:09]

praet:

i meant myth stuff

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Beirdo:

heh

[23:04:25]

praet:

any luck B?

[23:04:30]

Beirdo:

it just removed the display driver

[23:04:32]

praet:

why do you make things so hard

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Beirdo:

without installing a now one ;)

[23:04:41]

Beirdo:

muhahah

[23:04:49]

juski:

gotta love windows eh

[23:04:57]

xris:

praet: lately, channel icon lookup

[23:05:07]

praet:

ooh

[23:05:09]

juski:

XP isn't that much better for install stuff, reboot, install more stuff, reboot...

[23:05:38]

praet:

my dad asked me about vista.. i said no.

[23:05:41]

Beirdo:

I think I'll tell it to use the boot floppy so it sees the USB key as D: then run win by hand

[23:05:51]

juski:

it'd be a much better OS if only you could restart some of the stuff without rebooting like linux can

[23:06:04]

praet:

Beirdo: are you using a setup file? or a ghost image

[23:06:21]

laga:

juski: actually, you can. you just have to know what services need restarting

[23:06:36]

Beirdo:

the Win98SE install CD copied onto the USB key and netbooting the install floppy image

[23:06:48]

praet:

www.mythweb.com << haha

[23:07:40]

juski:

praet: so er.. you can contribute any number of ways. staying around to try & hold people's tiny hands can be a drag though ;)

[23:07:43]

Beirdo:

let's boot in "safe mode" then

[23:08:00]

laga:

praet: mythweb.de belongs to me ;)

[23:08:15]

dustybin:

ive just printed out the whole html LIRC manual

[23:08:35]

praet:

mythweb is interesting in that it can do a lot of what the frontend does, but in a weblike way

[23:08:44]

juski:

praet: you could also hawk around OSS exhibition organisers & arrange to be there to demo mythtv to the masses

[23:09:08]

praet:

there was a post somewhere that said there may be a way to play streams in the browser with flv

[23:09:27]

praet:

hrmm. id have to have friends to do taht

[23:09:49]

juski:

praet: and if somebody were to make mythmusic into er.. something better than it is now.. they'd be a hero!

[23:10:07]

praet:

is no-one working on it?

[23:10:33]

juski:

it gets maintained & tweaked

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madelephant:

hey juski

[23:11:43]

juski:

ok time to migrate. I'm a bit nervous about this

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dustybin:

having something exposed to the masses isnt necessarily a good thing

[23:11:54]

Beirdo:

about?

[23:12:01]

dustybin:

less.is.more

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juski:

dustybin: exhibiting is FUN

[23:13:23]

juski:

you meet great people, it's really good to see people's reactions when they see it for the 1st time

[23:13:28]

juski:

mostly

[23:13:31]

dustybin:

aye i remember going to computer fairs back in the amiga days

[23:14:31]

dustybin:

days when i got excited about buying a 3.5" blank disks in bulk, together with labels and disk box

[23:14:32]

madelephant:

what's that package called for backing up SQL? wanna pull it down with apt-get

[23:14:43]

juski:

madelephant: there are no packages of it

[23:14:50]

juski:

it's a single shell script

[23:14:52]

praet:

mysqldump

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onewheelskyward:

hmm...I suppose I have to emerge mythcontrols on every front end I want to access them on?

[23:15:19]

laga:

juski, madelephant: i use backup-manager on ubuntu

[23:15:26]

praet:

this dvd is too scratched to copy

[23:15:41]

juski:

onewheelskyward: jup

[23:16:14]

juski:

so, are there any 'special' things I should know about xfs before I do this?

[23:16:47]

dustybin:

i been using xfs since i first used mythtv without any problems at all

[23:17:09]

praet:

yeah i worked with xfs

[23:17:11]

juski:

I mean... just make the fs with default parameters & it'll be ok

[23:17:13]

onewheelskyward:

juski: Just dont forget about it when you upgrade your kernel.

[23:17:30]

juski:

there's a good point

[23:17:41]

juski:

some umbongoo support xfs by default?

[23:17:46]

dustybin:

why do u need to consider the kernel?

[23:17:50]

juski:

some/does

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laga:

juski: edgy and dapper support it out of the box afaik

[23:18:04]

onewheelskyward:

Because if you don't have xfs support enabled in the kernel (module or otherwise) it won't be mountable.

[23:18:10]

juski:

dustybin: because if xfs support isn't in the kernel it won't worky

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dustybin:

ok i thought xfs was turned on and standard in all kernels

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Beirdo:

juski, yes, ubuntu kernels come with xfs modules by default

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dustybin:

i see

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onewheelskyward:

dustybin: Not all kernels. Some distributions have it enables.

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juski:

cool. ta!

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dustybin:

ok

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Beirdo:

no prob

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Beirdo:

I use it a LOT on my ubuntu machines :)

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juski:

when I made kernels on me gentoo box, I never bothered enabling it

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Beirdo:

heh

[23:20:22]

Beirdo:

OK, copied the win98 dir off the "CD" onto C:, should go fairly smoothly now

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praet:

mkfs.xfs

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juski:

no turning back now!

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Beirdo:

heh, missinv vnetbios.vxd already

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juski:

starting the long process of copying the files back

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praet:

oh no.. my 2nd crt is dimming

[23:23:34]

onewheelskyward:

What's a crt?

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W6SN:

cathode ray tube

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praet:

er.. that was a joke right

[23:24:01]

W6SN:

the big tv/monitor tubes of yesteryear

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onewheelskyward:

Sounds like an archeological discovery.

[23:24:04]

dustybin:

so far ive got a 137 page mythtv manual, and the LIRC manual, are there any other manuals worth considering related to mythtv?

[23:24:05]

praet:

ahaha

[23:24:08]

onewheelskyward:

Yes, that was a joke. :)

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W6SN:

ok :)

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juski:

dustybin: the wiki contents

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praet:

buy me a lcd then

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W6SN:

it's irc.. you never know :)

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dustybin:

ok

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Beirdo:

reboot #5 and counting :)

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praet:

i run a mythbox into a crt panasonic tv 32" ..... with .. get this.. a built in vhs deck

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onewheelskyward:

It was just last year I got rid of my crt. Goodwill wouldn't take it since it was manufactured in 1998.

[23:25:16]

praet:

i think you need to recyle them too

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juski:

ffs these copies are MUCH faster going this way

[23:25:35]

praet:

what screens are you al on

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onewheelskyward:

Yeah, I ended up taking it to a computer recycler/rebuilder. Cost me $15 to get rid of it, but it's worth it to make sure it's taken care of properly.

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laga:

onewheelskyward: they're probably going to dump it into sone chinese village.

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praet:

haha

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onewheelskyward:

laga: Not this one. It was in good shape. They give computers to people/schools that can't afford them.

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praet:

wtf is a 'vista certified' monitor

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onewheelskyward:

Plus, I thought they were dumping those on african countries. :)

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laga:

praet: it displays up to 256 colours when you're playing copy-protected content

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monkeyBox:

Has anyone here built a Homebrew USB-IR receiver? Know where I can find a howto or schematics?

[23:27:16]

juski:

roflmfao!

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juski:

monkeyBox: no such thing

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laga:

juski: sure there is

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juski:

homebrew serial IR, yesh

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monkeyBox:

My mobo doesn't have any serial connectors :(

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laga:

there's one called "igorplug", i think it's supported by LIRC: i've got one but i never could make it work, so beware ;)

[23:28:42]

juski:

so an end user is expected to be able to make a small board, program an AVR micro controller...

[23:28:42]

W6SN:

praet: i only use myth right now on a cheapo monitor for looking at archives... but when i do it at home,. it'll be hooked to my crt tv

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laga:

juski: i've got a friend who does that kind of stuff ;)

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monkeyBox:

hmm. If I can't build one, any suggestions on what to buy? I'm having trouble finding something...

[23:29:22]

W6SN:

juski: some people like to do that

[23:29:23]

onewheelskyward:

Wow, this mythcontrol thing is freaking beautiful.

[23:29:25]

W6SN:

what's wrong with that? :(

[23:29:38]

dustybin:

monkeyBox: its not often u get a mobo without any serial ports

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praet:

onewheelskyward: the edit keys thing?

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onewheelskyward:

praet: Yep

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juski:

W6SN: nothing's wrong with it – just considering the expertise (or rather lack of) people who can't make a serial IR homebrew work... ;)

[23:30:02]

monkeyBox:

dustybin: tell me about it. I have the Abit iL-90MB

[23:30:24]

onewheelskyward:

juski: I'm one of those. The lirc docs on it are terrible.

[23:30:27]

monkeyBox:

There's no serial ports and according to the manual no serial headers either....

[23:30:54]

dustybin:

your only choice is by using your TV cards remote maybe?

[23:30:58]

juski:

monkeyBox: you might be better off spending a few sheckles & buying a ready-made one

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briand:

sounds like a nice cottage-industry for someone who *does* have the ability to design/build one... and subsequently sell pre-made and/or kit USB-IR receivers

[23:31:58]

juski:

briand: yeah for those who can be hassled to do the tech support

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juski:

http://www.cesko.host.sk/IgorPlugUSB/IgorPlug . . . AVR)_eng.htm

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juski:

there are links on that page to people selling em ready-made already

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praet:

maybe contact irblaster.info for help on creating something too

[23:38:38]

juski:

whoah man I didnt expect xfs to be this much faster

[23:38:56]

praet:

juski: are you copying recordings?

[23:39:01]

juski:

praet: yeah

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juski:

it took much longer to copy them from ext3 to ext3

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praet:

what is the xfs hardware

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Dagmar:

juski: XFS is a little brighter about journaling atomic operations is part of that

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juski:

praet: nothing fancy. just a regular ata hdd

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Dagmar:

Not so bright about extents, but that's another (rather minor) issue

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praet:

jfs is another option.. havent tried it tho to compare

[23:40:58]

juski:

this is pretty mind-blowing

[23:41:19]

praet:

from jarods guide "Think of ext3 as your reliable family car, XFS as a sports car"

[23:41:20]

dustybin:

i think i have a corrupted recording. if i select to view the recording it plays but if i try to forward or skip it it freezes until try and exit back to the main menu

[23:41:46]

praet:

same with any others?

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Dagmar:

juski: You haven't been deleting myth's recordings from an ext3 fs have you?

[23:41:50]

juski:

so why does ubungee default to ext3 if it's so er.. slow?

[23:41:50]

briand:

recording probably fine. corrupted/missing recordedseek table

[23:42:01]

juski:

Dagmar: I had slow deletes enabled

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dustybin:

i see, im betteer off deleting it

[23:42:08]

Dagmar:

juski: Because ext3 has the reliability

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praet:

red hat's stability testing

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kormoc:

Dagmar, I use ext3 just fine

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Dagmar:

juski: Well, you'll s**t when you see it delete a 4Gb file in under a second

[23:42:29]

juski:

xfs is unreliable?!

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** dustybin <3's Tales Of The Unexpected **

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Dagmar:

No, XFS is from IBM which is distantly related to AIX and scares the hell out of all sane people

[23:42:54]

madelephant:

anyone here "backup" their dvd's of TV shows on their mythbox?

[23:42:55]

Dagmar:

Pretty much the same story for JFS from SGI

[23:43:00]

Dagmar:

....or maybe I've got those two backwards.

[23:43:07]

praet:

backwards

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Dagmar:

Danke

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juski:

regulary day to day use though.. I shouldn't worry – right?

[23:43:39]

praet:

why enable 'slow deleting' i was wondereing about that

[23:44:03]

dustybin:

madelephant: i sometimes record my parents stuff on TV and burn a DVD with the MythArchive plug in

[23:44:12]

juski:

praet: because if you delete a lot of large files in one go your box can become iobound

[23:44:13]

Dagmar:

juski: I've had no problems out of XFS or JFS actually so you should be fine

[23:44:56]

juski:

praet: last year I deleted 300GB of recordings in one sitting & it hung the box, resulting in the db being badly corrupted

[23:45:33]

juski:

so then I enabled gradual file deletes in mythtv & didn't see the problem ever again

[23:45:58]

juski:

thing was then though – the 'gradual' part is more than conservatively slow ;)

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Dagmar:

You won't have issues like that with XFS/JFS

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madelephant:

i was curious if anyone uses mythdvd to rip individual episodes from dvds

[23:46:41]

praet:

consistent rate i/o

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Dagmar:

Most of the time when people are talking about their box freezing for a moment every half hour, that's ext3's magic

[23:46:44]

kormoc:

juski, it's faster then a inbound recording, so I'm fine :P

[23:46:46]

praet:

bandwith

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juski:

well I've got space to play with so if it gives me any jip I can try something else

[23:48:39]

juski:

I've already got the 'must keep' recordings nice & safe so I don't get killed in my sleep

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Dagmar:

lol

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juski:

much as I love my wife I wish to GOD she didn't like Tina Turner, football or Bad Girls

[23:49:39]

Dagmar:

Maybe you can get her to like Cathouse then

[23:49:42]

Dagmar:

Or maybe not

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madelephant:

anyone have experience troubleshooting the "No Jobs. Checking and/or waiting for DVD." message with dvd ripping

[23:50:03]

juski:

mtd, ftw!

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Dagmar:

FYI Cathouse is a "reality show" in a Vegas brothel

[23:50:26]

madelephant:

i read the mythwiki on the message

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madelephant:

didn't solve it for me

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madelephant:

the link to the detailed instructions is broken

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juski:

hrm maybe I should also change my media dirs to xfs

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dustybin:

i chose to use xfs because i read this

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madelephant:

most of the guides i read said xfs was the best choice, especially if you were going to be recording/deleting a lot of live tv

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