Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, March 8th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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recon39:

the ripper don't work yet

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recon39:

I loged on the main user and the ripper worked there but not on mythfrontend

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rsdvd:

have you checked all the error logs? are you sure the DVD you are ripping is recognised by the machine?

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praet:

is there anything special i have to do to get audio in from a pvr250 on fc6 after installing the ivtv drivers?

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recon39:

yes I ripped it on the main user last night

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rsdvd:

using the 'rip DVD' option in the mythfrontend?

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recon39:

mythfrontend wont let me rip it

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recon39:

using the rip DVD opton in the mythfrontend dont work

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rsdvd:

so how did you rip a DVD using 'the main user'

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recon39:

that is what I am trying to get to work

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recon39:

clicked on the dvd ripper and riped it

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rsdvd:

but nothign to do with the mythfrontend?

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recon39:

I installed dvd:rip from the repositories

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recon39:

no the regular user

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rsdvd:

Arh......ok – well that has nothing to do with myth so it don;t help much :-)

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recon39:

so what can I do to fix it

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rsdvd:

I keep asking – but you have not yet answered – is there anythign in any of the logs regarding the DVD ?

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recon39:

how do I check the log again

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recon39:

I want to make sure I do it right this time

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recon39:

is it myth-log on the terminal

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rsdvd:

lol.....depends what logs you have running – last time we told you to start the frontend with -verbose all

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rsdvd:

there is also the system messages in /var/log/messages and dmesg

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recon39:

I get this $ /var/log/messages

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recon39:

sh: /var/log/messages: Permission denied

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rsdvd:

well move to a user with permission (root for example)

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dustybin:

IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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onewheelskyward:

recon39: Or use sudo for such requests.

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dustybin:

TONIGHTS PROBLEM HAS BEEN SOLVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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rsdvd:

dustybin : congratulations – you fixed it yourself

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rsdvd:

onewheelskyward : sudo is a much better idea – but I really doubt recon39 has setup sudoers file :-)

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gbee:

when you can fix your own problem, then my son, you will be a man

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onewheelskyward:

Good point. :) I didn't mean to add complexity.

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gbee:

to butcher Kipling

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dustybin:

ill explain what the problem was

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dustybin:

there are 2 configuration files for lirc, one for the mouse and one for the remote

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rsdvd:

gbee.....very cultured for this channel :-)

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gbee:

heh

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recon39:

ok rsdvd to you want to see the log file

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rsdvd:

dustybin : that is cause there are 2 deamons ......lircd and lircmd (if I remember correctly)

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dustybin:

i copied the hauppauge configuration file from LIRCs website assuming its ok just to copy there but i didnt realise that in that configuration file there was 4 different versions for the same remote

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rsdvd:

recon39 : no – I want you to tell me if there is anythgin obvious in it regarding the DVD not working

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recon39:

ok

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PointyPumper:

if i wanna buy a pvr 150 for mythtv, wich model should i buy?

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dustybin:

i was using the wrong remote name inside lircmd.conf

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PointyPumper:

the lp works on mythtv?

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rsdvd:

dustybin : :-)

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gbee:

rsdvd: that works in my favour, maybe less people will know how badly I mangled it ;)

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dustybin:

now i can sit back and control my whole linux OS from 1 remote control, how cool is that

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rsdvd:

PointyPumper : the LP is just a low profile version – the same card just smaller to fit in smaller cases (I think)

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gbee:

I'm off to bed, too tired

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PointyPumper:

(its cheaper also :P)

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rsdvd:

dustybin : untill you need to type anything :-)

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PointyPumper:

ok, then i con go with that one

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recon39:

I dont see anything

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rsdvd:

PointyPumper : cheaper? normally the Lp verision is more expensive

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rsdvd:

recon39 : ok!

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PointyPumper:

on newegg its cheaper :S

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PointyPumper:

or not? :/

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rsdvd:

I am in the UK – so I am not sure of pricing over the pond

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dustybin:

rsdvd: hehe indeed but it will be useful for activating radio streams via streamtuner

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rsdvd:

recon39 : I am afriad I am not that good with ripping problems (only ripped 1 DVD in myth)

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** dustybin refines the mouse buttons **

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recon39:

thats ok thanks for all of your help

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rsdvd:

dustybin : :-) I am glad at least one problem was solved tonight

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W6SN:

I recall there being an issue with PVr150's.. has that been solved? (something about a different chipset being packaged)

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dustybin:

heh yes, tomorrow night ill think of another problem to solve, a problem a day helps u work rest and play

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rsdvd:

recon39 : I woudl try different DVDs (especially non-copy protected ones)

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recon39:

the one I am using is a copied one

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recon39:

it ripped on the main user

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recon39:

I think it is in the setup on mythfrontend just can not figure it out

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rsdvd:

W6SN : the problem was one US retailer (Fry's I think ) was selling 150s with the new HVR inthe box....and a note from hauppague saying this one is better and we have run out of the others........but the HVR don;t work under the current v4l

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rsdvd:

recon39 : try ripping a bought DVD.....an already ripped one just adds other potential issues

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W6SN:

rsdvd: yes.. and has it been fixed?

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recon39:

ok i will try that

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rsdvd:

W6SN : depends on where you buy it and whether that store has sold out of the 'wrong' packages......I think is was a short term thing over Christmas.....but I am not in the US so I am not sure

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W6SN:

k

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praet:

help... anyone herer familiar with audio in for the pvr-250

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rsdvd:

praet : the audio should be in the mpeg stream, I don't think you need to do anythign special to get it to work

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rsdvd:

right – I am off to bed as no-one else wants my help! nite all!

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zakat:

does anyone know if using xine is viable alternative to buying an upscaling/upconverting dvd player for an HDTV?

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achew22:

zakat, try it and if you like the picture quality then use xine

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zakat:

well i understand that.. but i was really wondering if xine does anything but scale the video

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zakat:

the hardware players apply algorithms to the video to upconvert it rather then just stretching it

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GreyFoxx:

They try to "smooth" out any blockiness that comes from upscaling, but that often ends up just blurring the image

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zakat:

well ive seen my friend's upconverting player and it didn't look blurry at all, it looked almost as good as any of my HD captures

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zakat:

but if i play a dvd with xine it doesnt look as good

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GreyFoxx:

I've never seen any that looked any better than a PC with good tv out. The trick is having good TV out and tighter integration with the tvout signal which hardware players can do over software with aregular video card

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zakat:

i just figured other users would have come across this situation in the past when trying to get the most from their systems

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sphery:

zakat: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/253422#253422

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sphery:

and http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/253593#253593

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sphery:

and http://www.hardware.info/en-UK/articles/am9nY . . . DVD_players/

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sphery:

What are you using to feed the TV?

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sphery:

I get excellent results with xine and VGA out.

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zakat:

from the mythtv? dvi to hdmi cable

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sphery:

Should be the same for DVI or HDMI out, too.

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GreyFoxx:

Do you have X set to the native resolution of your TV ?

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zakat:

yes

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sphery:

Also, remember that generally TV's scale input before output.

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sphery:

Sometimes overscanning through up-scaling and sometimes underscanning through down-scaling

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GreyFoxx:

then I would imagine that would do agood job, though I'm not axine user to make comments on the quality of it's output

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sphery:

Ideally you choose one or the other to do scaling.

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sphery:

If both scale, you'll get bad results.

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zakat:

sphery, that confused me

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zakat:

oh okay

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zakat:

well, thanks for the links and the input

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zakat:

looks like i might not have to splurge on the dvd player after all

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sphery:

There are many other ways that TV's electronics can cause problems.

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sphery:

See avsforum.com for a /lot/ of good info.

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zakat:

ill check it out

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sphery:

good luck

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zakat:

thx

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zakat:

oh, also, whats the deal with XvMC, i've been running myth for a while, but I see XvMC on more guides now when ever I try to change something

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zakat:

i have geforce 6600gt, should i be using xvmc?

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GreyFoxx:

Not unless you have to

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zakat:

does it take the load off the cpu or something?

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zakat:

while keeping low bandwidth to the gpu?

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GreyFoxx:

some of the load, but not nearly all

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GreyFoxx:

It's not worth it's problems iunless you require it

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zakat:

alright, thanks

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GreyFoxx:

Greyscale OSD, some people say the visual quality is not so special, and some find it crashy

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zakat:

ewww

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GreyFoxx:

for most it's stable and fine, but the greyscale osd is a draw back for most

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GreyFoxx:

like I say, use it if you need it, but otherwise I wouldn't touch it :)

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zakat:

my system is pretty stable, and works well right now, so i wont mess around

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jams:

good call

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Zider:

this is a bit offtopic, but.. has anyone experienced, after converting a video to another format, that the clip seems to sort of have every other frame switched? it looks like it plays frame 2,1,4,3,6,5,8,7 and so on

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gleesond:

anyone know a good place to start looking.... I'm trying to figure out how to configure my IR blaster?

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onewheelskyward:

Did you get the one from irblaster.info? Serial port?

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cesman:

perhaps the mythtv wiki?

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onewheelskyward:

I have one of these as well, but I haven't configured it yet.

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ryanr23:

I'm having a problem using MythArchive... when I have to transcode the files, from either mpg or nuv, using the standard profiles, the bitrate used is actually much lower than what was specified. (6000k specified, 2500k bitrate used)

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ryanr23:

My 4GB nuv file is transcoded down to 2GB when creating a DVD using any of the standard profiles (HQ, SP, etc)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Anyone here happen to have a XL1B dvd recorder jukebox – and using it with Myth???

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ratbert90:

hey, has anybody actually had lirc work on a new kernel?

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ratbert90:

above 2.6.18

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onewheelskyward:

O

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onewheelskyward:

I'm working on 2.6.19 now, but I haven't had it 'work' yet.

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ratbert90:

It won't detect my remote

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ratbert90:

at all

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ratbert90:

and I can't downgrade my kernel, as I need a 2.6.18 or newer to even run linux :(

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Dr_willis:

i noticed that the newer knoppmyth – failed to work with my remote.. so i went back to the older version.

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** cesman tries to recall if Dr_willis provided information so this can be fixed in the next release.... **

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kormoc:

ratbert90, I'm on 2.6.20.1 with lirc 0.8.1 and it works well

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ryanr23:

I am using lirce with 2.6.20

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ratbert90:

well, then why, please god why, can't lirc find my remote?

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ratbert90:

irw doesn't output anything, irrecord gives me an error after a bit.

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ryanr23:

what hardware?

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ratbert90:

The remote works in windows, and it's just on a Hauppage PVR-150

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ratbert90:

which is widely supported or so people say :(

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Dr_willis:

yep

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kormoc:

working in windows doesn't mean squat, and the same can be said of the other way around

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Dr_willis:

identical stuff here.

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ratbert90:

kormoc, it does mean something

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ratbert90:

it means the remote isn't broken :D

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ryanr23:

I've got an IrMan (serial connection) working

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kormoc:

ratbert90, heh, fair 'nuff :P

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Dr_willis:

:)

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ratbert90:

Dr_willis, so you can't get yours to work either?

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Dr_willis:

now the logic "it works under windows, so linux should support it...." is invalid. :)

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kormoc:

I use a lirc_mceusb2 remote via lirc_mod_mce

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kormoc:

although, 2.6.20 broke the mceusb keyboard support and I haven't had time to poke at it

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Dr_willis:

ratbert90, nope.. i forget the exact version of knoppmth i tried. it was the one that quit using gdm and had a lot of updates.. one of which messed with the remote.. and the other updates messed with my ati card.. so i reverted..

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** cesman ponders if ratbert90 is used the patched version w/ support for the 150.... **

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cesman:

http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=24

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ratbert90:

cesman, it is just the plane jane sources from the website

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kormoc:

ratbert90, are you sure you compiled in support for the remote?

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Dr_willis:

cesman, so its a known issue at least then. :) and we are not just 'confused' heh..

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ratbert90:

yep

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ratbert90:

:)

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cesman:

what is a known issue?

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Dr_willis:

the remotes dont work.. i guess it the issue. :)

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ratbert90:

indeed, that would be the problem :D

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Dr_willis:

the patches being incoperated into the latest knoppmyth yet?or are they allready there. Ive been too busy just watching tv.. to pay much attention.

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cesman:

what patch are you referring to?

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Dr_willis:

the pvr150 one you just posted the url to.

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cesman:

that is the source used to compile lirc in knoppmyth

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ratbert90:

Dr_willis, that is a pre 8.1

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cesman:

has been for some time....

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Dr_willis:

Ok. i guess i could try to upgrade..

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ratbert90:

hrm

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ratbert90:

now I don't have a /dev/lirc

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Dr_willis:

im so used to using my wireless keyboard – the remote seems a handicap.

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ratbert90:

well that package is broken :(

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** Dr_willis gets out the glue **

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sphery:

ratbert90: I'm using kernel 2.6.20 with LIRC.

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sphery:

Had to use CVS--currently have CVS as of Sat Feb 10 22:17:05 EST 2007

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sphery:

There were changes to the kernel API.

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ryanr23:

anyone know anything about ffmpeg encoding within MythArchive?

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ratbert90:

sphery, thanks!

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ratbert90:

irw dies every time I run it

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ratbert90:

wt

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ratbert90:

f

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doc|home:

ah, wait, I've got sources ~arch too and it appears to not see the dependency correctly

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ratbert90:

lirc creates a /dev/lirc

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ratbert90:

a lircd

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ratbert90:

and a lircm

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ratbert90:

but no /dev/lirc0

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ratbert90:

:(

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ratbert90:

the cvs fixed it

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ratbert90:

:)

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ratbert90:

the remote works great now!

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doc|home:

fight!

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doc|home:

*ahem*

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xris:

I don't get to see him so much anymore now that he moved across the hall and around the corner.

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kormoc:

yeah, but least you can visit me when you have enough of the others in the room :P

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adante:

you should let him know you still care by playing elaborate practical jokes on him, capture the results on camera and post them here

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xris:

too much work to do for that.

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harzi:

df -h

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harzi:

oops

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sandeen_:

can mythflix add things to my queue...? or just view it

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ratbert90:

quick question, why doesn't mythtv see my remote? lirc does. :)

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onewheelskyward:

Do you still have to map lirc buttons to key strokes?

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ratbert90:

should it just be lircrc or .lircrc?

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doc|home:

lircrc works for me

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ratbert90:

ok

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ratbert90:

cool!

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ratbert90:

it works

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ratbert90:

thanks so much :)

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amrit:

hey there... just thought i'd mention that http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/137563 saved me from kicking my hard drive out the window

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amrit:

couldn't figure out why seeking was failing – the mysqlcheck -r suggestion fixed it.

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amrit:

go team!

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marmoset:

is it possible to have filters (deinterlace and denoise) that only happen on things that are recorded on specific filters? I don't want it done on hd stuff, but would like it done on sd :)

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marmoset:

or, have it "pre-done" via user jobs or something only for specific tuners?

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Dagmar:

*kof*recording groups*kof*

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marmoset:

Dagmar: it looks like that has transcoding, but that's not really what I want I don't think?

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Dagmar:

It is the only thing that comes close to what you're talking about doing.

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Dagmar:

...and no, I have no intention of solving your problem for you.

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Dagmar:

I am just telling you where the only place I can think of there might actually *be* a solution is.

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marmoset:

Dagmar: I'm not looking for someone to solve my problem, I was just asking if there was something I was overlooking :)

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Dagmar:

Recording groups would be it.

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Dagmar:

*possibly* playback groups as well.

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Dagmar:

Just don't expect Myth to automagically detect which files you want which filters applied to.

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marmoset:

right, that's why I was thinking per tuner

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marmoset:

could even do it per channel

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Dibblah:

Anyone seeing commflagging running when it shouldn't be?

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Dibblah:

marmoset: I believe that's code that is already present in mythtv-vid.

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Dibblah:

(The branch of SVN)

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marmoset:

Dibblah: ah, awesome, I'll check it out, I can wait.

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Dagmar:

Fun.

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Dagmar:

I really hope that we don't actually have a new hire named Keith Wallace.

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Dagmar:

Just had the police call to inquire about someone named that who they found poking around inside one of the buildings (it's 1:55am here) who claimed they worked for ITS.

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Dibblah:

What's wrong with Keith? Great guy ;)

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Dagmar:

I should have thought to tell them to ask him who his direct supervisor is.

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Dagmar:

In any case, if he was doing something legit where he was at 1:55am, he would rather likely be someone I would know.

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Dibblah:

Well, if he is legit, it's definitely a initiation-by-fire :)

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Dibblah:

If you're dragged off to the cells on your first day, it can only get better, right?

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Dagmar:

That's true.

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Dagmar:

I think it's someone who was just up to no good tho'.

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Dagmar:

I can't even find someone by that name in the all-employee database, which is populated by HR.

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xris:

Dagmar: sounds like a fun night. :)

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Dagmar:

Speaking as someone who has spent a lot of time up to *harmless* no-goodery, if he couldn't be bothered to dig up the name of an actual employee to use in his cover story, then perhaps he should be locked up before he breaks something.

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onewheelskyward:

Woah. heh

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onewheelskyward:

We had a guy steal the company checks and write a sizeable one to his brother, who tried to cash it.

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gbee:

morning

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hd420:

anyone here?

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hd420:

what does mythtv buy me if i want to use it with, as opposed to instead of, my DVR?

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rsdvd:

hd420 : multiple frontends – OSS technology – scaleabilty .......lots of things

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Dagmar:

Lack of a monthly service agreement.

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hd420:

Dagmar: reread my question, mate

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Dagmar:

hd420: I read it.

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hd420:

reread it

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Dagmar:

Do you get the second service agreement for free if you buy two units or something?

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Dagmar:

Learn to think.

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hd420:

no, I already have one service agreement

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hd420:

Perhaps you didn't understand... I have one tv and one directtv receiver

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Dagmar:

Whew

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Dagmar:

Here I was worried you were trying this without a TV.

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rsdvd:

with your attitude – I would suggest you are probably better with a hardware DVR where you ask the manufacturer stupid questions

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hd420:

I respond to the attitude others give me

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hd420:

and your suggestion has been noted, rsdvd

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Dagmar:

Then do you get coverage for a second unit for free?

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rsdvd:

what "Lack of a monthly service agreement." – I *VERY* valid answer to yuor question

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Dagmar:

If you don't, then MythTV avoids another monthly fee.

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Dagmar:

Period.

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hd420:

I have a 2-tuner R15 already, with an annual service agreement

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Dagmar:

If you're wanting to hear something like "makes pictures clearer" or "automatically removes commercials and unwanted body hair from images on both devices" that would be over in #etherbunny

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hd420:

what technical features would myth give me?

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Dagmar:

http://wiki.mythtv.org

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Dagmar:

We're not here to tell you why you should or should not use a MythTV box.

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rsdvd:

hd420 : it really depends on what type of features you are looking for – and it loks like you need to be persuaded to use myth – which is not our job

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rsdvd:

to be honest – the main thing Myth will give you is a hoby taking up most of your time

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rsdvd:

myth can be very addictive

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Dagmar:

Of course, you can thwart those addictions a little by spending your time subscribing people to Bay Area Conservatives mailing lists.

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rsdvd:

Dagmar :-)

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hd420:

Dagmar: :)

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Dagmar:

Okay, good. You didnt' freak out.

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Dagmar:

It was definitely supposed to be a joke for amusement value.

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hd420:

I do have a sense of humour, Dagmar

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rsdvd:

hd420 : that is good – a sense of humour is required to work with myth

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hd420:

rsdvd: I don't work with myth (as yet)

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rsdvd:

well by inferance : being here and asking these questions means you are considering it (or just wasting our time!)

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hd420:

considering it

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hd420:

yes

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gbee:

Dagmar: order me two ;)

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Dagmar:

I'm trying to figure out if those triwings are small enough for a Nintendo DS and whether or not the star bits are going to be small enough to fit my Zire that just died

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juski:

morny

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rsdvd:

even with all them – you still will be missing the one you need to open that weird case

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rsdvd:

morning Juski

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juski:

got that esata thing worky

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** hd420 is still confused with how to get video off the R15 **

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juski:

doing over 120MB/sec across 5 disks, random r/w

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rsdvd:

Dagmar : I saw an interesting web site a while ago that used a melted biro pen to make the special drivers needed for the DS

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Dagmar:

rsdvd: I have a drill for those screws. Carbide tipped.

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hd420:

this appears to be critical to the whole exercise <g>

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Dagmar:

rsdvd: Somehow I suspect melting the tip of a pen might really piss off the fire sensors here in the office

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rsdvd:

lol.....maybe

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rsdvd:

hd420 : you use a wire between the stb and the pc

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rsdvd:

:-)

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hd420:

the USB port on the r15 seems disabled

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** rsdvd wonders if you place them close enough can you do away with the wire – and hope the video just jumps across :-) **

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rsdvd:

hd420 : it will be! you will need either firewire (if you are very lucky) or composite out -> capturecard

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hd420:

I don't have firewire

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hd420:

I have a PVR150 in my PC

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hd420:

will that work as a capture card?

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rsdvd:

in that case – svideo/composite out of the STB and into the 150

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rsdvd:

the 150 is the perfect capture card for Myth – I think the majority here use them

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hd420:

STB == R15?

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rsdvd:

Set-Top Box – No idea what a R15 is – I am not in the US

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hd420:

rsdvd: do you have Sky in the UK?

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rsdvd:

hd420 : yes

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rsdvd:

any I conect it exactly how we are discussing

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hd420:

I have firewire on my laptop, but don't think it has the CPU or the hard drive to do myth

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rsdvd:

if it is a 'Tivo' I am not suer if that makes a difference......nevre even seen a tivo to know the difference. I am talking from the point of a 'normal' STB

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hd420:

it's similar to whatever Sky gives as the standard-def PVR in the UK

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hd420:

you have PAL, we have NTSC, other than that, I think the r15 is identical

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** hd420 is also British, but living in America **

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rsdvd:

the standard sky box does not have dual tuner and the HDD.......but the general princpal is the same

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rsdvd:

you also need somethign to go the other way – to change channels.....such as an IR blaster

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hd420:

I'd like to just get the recordings off the r15 and manipulate them

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hd420:

the r15 does a smashing job of the basic PVR stuff

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hd420:

is there a program to browse the filesystem on the STB?

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rsdvd:

hd420 : no!

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rsdvd:

STB's are proprietary – there are no the OSS software/firmware as far as I know

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Dagmar:

AHA

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rsdvd:

if you are happy with the PVR in the R15 – why ar you considering Mythtv

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Dagmar:

Found another way to deal with pesky torx screws

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rsdvd:

Dagmar : dremmel :-)

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hd420:

for a larger hard drive, rsdvd

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Dagmar:

Fill the damn things with solder and use a rotary saw to turn them into freaking phillips

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hd420:

there are programs I'd like to save, the r15 is a 30-hour PVR, which strikes me as more than a bit rubbish for saving say, the entire season of 24 or spooks

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rsdvd:

Dagmar : very inventive :-)

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gbee:

I've actually got a set of torx screwdrivers somewhere

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rsdvd:

hd420 : upgrade the bax to bigger HDD – a lot easier than setting up Myth

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juski:

the r15? wth is an r15?

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rsdvd:

a US Tivo it seems

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gbee:

typically I always seem to have every size but the one I want

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juski:

blech

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hd420:

juski: this sodded up STB one gets in the states

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rsdvd:

gbee : always the way

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juski:

I have to try find a 70mm fan

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rsdvd:

'sodded up' – you just got through saying it does a wonderful job

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juski:

70mm.,.. FFS

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hd420:

it does a wonderful job on the basics

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Dagmar:

Pfft. Good luck there

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rsdvd:

juski : can;t you mod it to use a standard case fan?

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Dagmar:

Probably Digikey would be your best bet for that

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juski:

rsdvd: sadly not

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rsdvd:

:-(

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hd420:

commercial skip doesn't quite work, for instance, rsdvd

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juski:

marketing have got this stupid arse idea that every HDD in this jbod thing must have its own fan

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juski:

despite the un-fanned delta-T being onlt 10'C with all the disks working hard

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rsdvd:

hd420 : to be honest neither does myth's version – especially over here

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rsdvd:

juski : how many drives are going in this thing?

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juski:

5

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hd420:

rsdvd: and I can't edit the resulting programs using Final Cut Pro because I can't get them off the bloody R15

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rsdvd:

lol – all with 70mm drives.......it will be cold enough to keep milk in there

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juski:

we ARE doomed

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hd420:

JBOD?

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Dagmar:

lol

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Dagmar:

Fire up the fax machines... Resumes, AWAY!

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rsdvd:

why is it JBOD – just use biggger drives

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juski:

5 1TB drives

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rsdvd:

"JBOD" = Just a Bunch of Disks"

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rsdvd:

wow – lots of storage! – can I have one :-)

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juski:

we get these daft customers who want to be able to keep 10 years of video

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rsdvd:

archive it to different removeable disks

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juski:

no no no no no no no no

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juski:

that isn't what marketing want

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juski:

they know what they want

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rsdvd:

lol!

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hd420:

I'd also like to integrate democracy player and the DVR, so that I can, eg, watch scobleshow on my tele

[10:14:57]

juski:

they just don't know what they want is wrong

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rsdvd:

and you just have to 'make it happen' (tm)

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hd420:

juski: who's they?

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rsdvd:

hd420 : work of warning – do not mention democracy player in here or any other torrent type thing.....not allowed

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juski:

hd420: our marketing dept

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hd420:

sorry

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juski:

this is the same crew who want all the hdds to be removable but mount them on the same bit of metal – a retractable drawer you move with all the hdds still powered up

[10:17:03]

juski:

hmmm... what's wrong with this picture? moving hdds while they're spun up...

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rsdvd:

ouch! making it so much easier to kill them all in 1 go

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hd420:

juski: sounds like fun

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rsdvd:

and no raid so if 1 goes – they all could be screwed

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Dagmar:

ROCK

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Dagmar:

Found a drill and some carbide bits here at the office

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juski:

they've been redefining 'retarded'

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Dagmar:

I'll fix these damn torx screws

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rsdvd:

Dagmar : PAPER

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juski:

rsdvd: blowtorch

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hd420:

juski: they're marketing, are supposed to redefine retarded to something people want to buy :)

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juski:

we'll all be fine once we reinvent the laws of physics cap'n

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hd420:

lol juski

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juski:

not that any of this matters

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juski:

:)

[10:23:55]

juski:

another thing about this box is the fact it has to be quiet

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rsdvd:

:-) or use NAS like everyone else

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juski:

this 40CFM 70mm fan ...

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juski:

rsdvd: or FC

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rsdvd:

lol – 7 x 70mm fans – quiet?

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juski:

no one 40CFM 70mm fan

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juski:

and 5 40mm 18CFM fans

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rsdvd:

hardly quiet though

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juski:

indeed

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juski:

I'd call 25dBA quiet

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juski:

this is gonna be at least 38dBA

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rsdvd:

quiet compared to a machine room – but not if it is sitting in the corner of an ofice

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juski:

or a livingroom

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juski:

you'd be amazed where customers put these things

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rsdvd:

:-)

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juski:

would you put your cctv DVR in the livingroom under the telly in plain view?

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rsdvd:

no – mine is in the loft :-)

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juski:

be recorded breaking in, then just nick the evidence

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rsdvd:

:-)

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rsdvd:

do you sell to domestic? or are you customers offices and shops?

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Dagmar:

Awesome

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Dagmar:

I love it when screws are made with two different types of metal

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Dagmar:

...so that like, you can easily turn the torx-5 socket into a nice round hole and then get NO further.

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juski:

rsdvd: we sell to distributors

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rsdvd:

ok

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juski:

any foo with enough money can buy our gear

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rsdvd:

what is the company name – or would you rather not say

[10:32:25]

juski:

the 'micros' we make are 'dedicated' ;)

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juski:

.com

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rsdvd:

:-)

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gbee:

Electronic

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rsdvd:

Electronic programme guide

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hd420:

that would be useful, rsdvd, but most wouldn't look at it :)

[10:42:40]

juski:

rsdvd: why, when we have the trout?

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juski:

!trout hd420

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** MythLogBot slaps hd420 with a trout on behalf of juski... **

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hd420:

heh

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rsdvd:

why is it trout? or all the things to hit someone with

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rsdvd:

!trout juski

[10:44:13]

** MythLogBot slaps juski with a trout on behalf of rsdvd... **

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juski:

2x4 ?

[10:44:30]

hd420:

!trout hd420

[10:44:30]

** MythLogBot slaps hd420 with a trout on behalf of hd420... **

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rsdvd:

juski : that would be better – especially if it actually did sometimes

[10:45:40]

juski:

!wrap_in_barbed_wire_and_incinerate

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rsdvd:

!trout hd420 2x4

[10:46:00]

** MythLogBot slaps hd420 with a 2x4 trout on behalf of rsdvd... **

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juski:

.. and other fun torture methods :)

[10:46:19]

rsdvd:

:-)

[10:46:25]

** hd420 waterboards hd420 **

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gbee:

stop the madness!

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rsdvd:

!trout gbee

[10:46:45]

** MythLogBot slaps gbee with a trout on behalf of rsdvd... **

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hd420:

!trout gbee crowbar

[10:46:57]

** MythLogBot slaps gbee with a crowbar trout on behalf of hd420... **

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rsdvd:

anyway

[10:47:08]

juski:

oo Maplin have 70mm fans

[10:47:08]

** gbee burst into tears and runs to find his mommy **

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hd420:

gbee: lol

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juski:

.. ach no it was just google spam

[10:47:24]

rsdvd:

lol

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rsdvd:

juski : try RS

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juski:

tried

[10:47:48]

juski:

insufficient flowrate

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juski:

and at Â£15 a pop.. not cheap either

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rsdvd:

ok

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gbee:

70mm? hmm not exactly standard then?

[10:48:16]

juski:

used on CPU coolers

[10:48:26]

Ruleke:

I don't see how it's not standard :)

[10:48:36]

juski:

and spec'd by clueless mechanical engineers

[10:48:54]

Ruleke:

where's the official spec for fan sizes ;)

[10:49:09]

gbee:

well not as common then, 60 and 80 are generally used

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juski:

Out of Stock

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rsdvd:

:-)

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gbee:

http://www.tekheads.co.uk/s/product?product=607242

[10:50:50]

gbee:

you've probably already seen that

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rsdvd:

juski : contact them and tell them you potentially want lots of them – I am sure they will get them in tock quick enough

[10:51:29]

gbee:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php . . . &subcat=

[10:51:56]

gbee:

heh, I thought overclockers went out of business, must be thinking of overclockingstore.co.uk

[10:52:38]

gbee:

used to be a time when I'd make regular trips over to Stoke to buy stuff from overclockers

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rsdvd:

I used to live just rounf the corner from them – and nevre knew they were there till I have 150 miles away :-(

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rsdvd:

ok splat1 – we get the message

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gbee:

?

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splat1:

rsdvd, Im trying to disable the bloody thing :)

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rsdvd:

gbee.....I take it you have notify turned off

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gbee:

yeah :)

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rsdvd:

splat1......what are you trying to disable

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Milosch:

access to irc? :)

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** rsdvd quit ? **

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rsdvd:

/ quit

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splat1:

bnc got a little screwed and lost my settings :) just telling it not to spam

[10:59:30]

splat1:

there we go :)

[11:02:57]

hd420:

another reason I'd like to use myth is that I can watch shows from remote locations; I'm (very nominally) based in California and spend loads of time travelling

[11:04:01]

hd420:

and so staying caught up is often difficult in places like south africa

[11:04:28]

rsdvd:

myth based programmes can be place-shifted (streaming) or re-encoded to take on an ipod etc

[11:05:00]

hd420:

rsdvd: both would be nice, and neither are possible with the STB I have right now

[11:05:26]

rsdvd:

you would probably not want to stream you shows liek that – but rather take them with you when you go abroad.......jsut capture them on the PC without myth...then transcode them by hand

[11:06:14]

juski:

overclockers are out of stock

[11:06:28]

juski:

I'll just tell the mech guy to shove it up his arse

[11:06:49]

hd420:

can myth encode to real player format?

[11:07:28]

juski:

hd420: lol

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hd420:

juski: I thought not

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juski:

OMG! luscious Seagate rep is in the building

[11:08:48]

Milosch:

nice

[11:08:48]

** juski goes for a cold shower **

[11:08:51]

hd420:

I can keep my myth database on a remote server without problems, right?

[11:09:14]

rsdvd:

yes

[11:09:24]

hd420:

nice

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juski:

depends what you mean by 'remote'

[11:11:00]

juski:

somewhere in the same house/building – sure

[11:11:11]

juski:

on the other side of the country via the internet.. no

[11:11:37]

hd420:

juski: what's the restriction?

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gbee:

speed mostly

[11:13:23]

juski:

speed/latency/reliability

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hd420:

that's not a technical restriction, juski

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hd420:

that's a practical one

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gbee:

you didn't ask for just technical restrictions ;)

[11:16:00]

Milosch:

you could print out the changes and fax them

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quicksilver:

or simply roll them up small and attach them to carrier pigeons

[11:16:35]

Milosch:

ideal...

[11:16:46]

Milosch:

cup and string?

[11:16:49]

juski:

or co-locate the database :)

[11:16:53]

juski:

muhahaha

[11:17:07]

gbee:

ok, that was definately odd – had to log into trac twice before it actually worked

[11:17:55]

juski:

some people have *weird* ideas & expectations of mythtv. WEIRD!

[11:18:47]

gbee:

hmm, no matter how many tickets I close the list always looks just as long

[11:18:58]

Beirdo:

if not longer

[11:22:33]

** hd420 wonders if he can split the backend recording/storage from the database **

[11:27:08]

Dagmar:

Hmm... trac is definitely a bit slow tonight

[11:27:41]

gbee:

took a full minute just now to commit

[11:28:14]

Dagmar:

Geez my text-justification patch hasn't been accepted yet?

[11:28:22]

Dagmar:

Was there a code freeze or something?

[11:28:30]

Dagmar:

I figured it would at least be slotted up for 0.21

[11:29:09]

gbee:

Dagmar: have patience, we're working though a backlog of over 300 patches

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Dagmar:

gbee: I submitted it a month ago

[11:29:24]

gbee:

err 300 tickets

[11:29:40]

Dagmar:

I think maybe ijr is just letting them soak to apply all at once or something

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juski:

who cares about 0.21? live for the here & now :)

[11:30:37]

gbee:

Isaac's been too busy for mythtv work lately

[11:30:57]

Dagmar:

You realize, of course, if I complete this LCARS theme, and put it out there with a readme that says "You need a patched MythTV to use this properly" that *Trekkies* are going to start mailing the list asking how to patch things....

[11:31:17]

gbee:

heh

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rsdvd:

Dagmar : well wait untill 0.21 then :-)

[11:31:35]

juski:

like that guy who wants to develop a plugins (sic) but can't even work out how to build from source

[11:31:38]

juski:

he's funny

[11:31:39]

Dagmar:

I'll definitely be using rot13 on my email address

[11:31:44]

gbee:

anyone here using two different sources with xmltv?

[11:32:21]

hd420:

I use rot26 on all my typing

[11:32:23]

juski:

I'm not looking forward to seeing that bloke's plugins

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gbee:

juski: you know I'd really like to help people like that, but I know it would suck up all of my free time if I tried

[11:34:01]

juski:

I can't get past the fact he wants to develop a plugin but doesn't know how to compile

[11:34:13]

juski:

walking before running springs to mind ;)

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rsdvd:

:-)

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gbee:

hd420: lol

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rsdvd:

what are the plugins written in C/C++ ?

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juski:

C++ & Serbo-Croat

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rsdvd:

lol

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rsdvd:

so only former yugoslavians need apply

[11:35:59]

gbee:

mythmusic is a hybrid of C, C++ and something that is only spoken in the darkest corners of Mordor

[11:36:47]

gbee:

(that's a LoTR reference for those of you who have never seen the Films or read the book)

[11:36:53]

juski:

Mordor? That thing they're always going on about in 'Taggart'?

[11:37:37]

** gbee feels a twitch in his trout trigger finger **

[11:37:42]

gbee:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordor

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Dagmar:

heheh

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Dagmar:

I still think the trouting from the other night was hilarious

[11:38:32]

juski:

I'm not a believer in LoTR yet

[11:38:52]

gbee:

can always count on the wikipedia geeks to write a long descriptive entry on a fictional place

[11:38:55]

hd420:

gbee: are there any humans today who haven't seen or read LotR?

[11:39:19]

juski:

hd420: me, for one

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Dagmar:

gbee: What you should do is go in there and correct minor details using the first-hand observation tags.

[11:39:40]

Dagmar:

See how long it takes for people to redact it.

[11:39:45]

hd420:

juski: have you not heard of it? :)

[11:39:46]

gbee:

hehe

[11:39:56]

juski:

hd420: I've heard of it

[11:40:15]

juski:

and I think "ooo big long book/film Zzzzzzzz"

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Dagmar:

The cartoon was good enough

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rsdvd:

I sell LoTR – but never seen it

[11:40:45]

Dagmar:

it's all about gay hobbits

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juski:

I sell mythtv themes, but I don't use them :)

[11:41:50]

rsdvd:

you sell them......I have been getting them from free :-)

[11:42:13]

juski:

oh jees. we've been given a 'nifty' util to interrogate HDDs to find out their temperature.. and it writes a DOS floppy. FFS. HOW lame?!

[11:42:23]

hd420:

I think I've figured out how to do what I want now :)

[11:42:23]

juski:

rsdvd: you got em for free?! eek!

[11:42:35]

rsdvd:

:-)

[11:42:40]

Dagmar:

juski: It's probably infected with a virus

[11:43:12]

juski:

yeah it's writing Freedos to the floppy

[11:43:42]

juski:

looks like I'll have to try it since smartctl isn't giving me believable results

[11:44:25]

juski:

floppies.. pfft

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Dagmar:

Filthy filthy things

[11:44:48]

juski:

maybe I should just patch the ubunut kernel & use linux for these tests instead

[11:45:37]

gbee:

already asked once, but is anyone using SVN and has two different sources using xmltv?

[11:46:32]

juski:

not me, prolly nobody else in the UK either

[11:46:46]

juski:

since we only have the one *useful* xmltv source

[11:47:13]

juski:

does anybody here use bleb?

[11:47:24]

hd420:

is there an symbian R3 mythtv front-end?

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juski:

hd420: no

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hd420:

juski: do you know of someone developing one?

[11:48:25]

juski:

mythtv runs on x86 & PPC, little else

[11:48:30]

juski:

hd420: no

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juski:

is anybody developing a mythfrontend for the Zanussi XZ2341 washing machine? apparently it runs a linux kernel

[11:52:49]

gbee:

hmm, well guess I'll fake a second source, really don't want to wait for a week for someone to test this patch

[11:53:37]

Dagmar:

I hear Essjay is free now

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Dagmar:

You could ask him to do it

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juski:

lol

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juski:

yeah this project needs more people with his kind of credentials

[11:55:05]

juski:

.. to stay the hell away

[11:55:29]

quicksilver:

I ran mythfrontend pretty well on a Starbucks Cinnamon Latte the other day

[11:55:32]

quicksilver:

but then I drank it

[11:55:33]

quicksilver:

:(

[11:55:48]

juski:

before you could slashdot about it? eesh

[11:56:15]

Dagmar:

I've been into a Starbucks' all of twice

[11:56:30]

juski:

Starbuck's what?

[11:56:39]

Dagmar:

I have serious objections to their "smile at the customer" policy

[11:57:55]

Dagmar:

That's time wasted that should have been spent making me coffee.

[11:58:52]

quicksilver:

juski: I'll slashdot it once I've successfully got mythfrontend running on a beowulf cluster of them

[11:59:05]

Dagmar:

Comments like "You have a $10,000 dollar machine in front of you, designed specifically to make a cup in 23 seconds or less, and it takes you six minutes to use it."

[11:59:10]

Dagmar:

Those will stop that.

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juski:

Dagmar: try the Starbucks in Manchester in the UK. they never take the time to smile

[12:05:37]

Dagmar:

Nice

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rsdvd:

that's cause it is staffed by Mancs.......Manc never smile (I know I am one)

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hd420:

juski: i think smiling is an american thing

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hd420:

rsdvd: you don't like united, do you?

[12:05:53]

Dagmar:

I'm used to baristas who are grumpy but fast

[12:05:54]

gbee:

never been in a starbucks

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juski:

my wife was asking me why so many mancunian blokes look so simian

[12:06:05]

rsdvd:

I hate football....regardless of the team

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Dagmar:

I like that they're grumpy because it encourages the townies to order quickly

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hd420:

gbee: I go for sandwiches myself

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juski:

rsdvd: can you tell me why it takes so long to get served in Manchester bars?

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hd420:

lol

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Dagmar:

If you order something specific they have to read the labels to serve it to you

[12:09:29]

juski:

I'm like "hey, trying to get out of my tree here!", sobering up while waving a twenty in the air trying to grab attention

[12:09:48]

Dagmar:

Wave a fifty

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rsdvd:

juski : I dont; know – but it is not limited to Manchester – you just need to go to better bars

[12:10:00]

juski:

can't remember the last time I saw a fifty

[12:10:18]

rsdvd:

wave a fifty in Manchester and someone will nick it

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Dagmar:

I carry one for situations like last weekend

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Dagmar:

Waiting patiently at the bar, some thug literally shoves me aside and starts aggressively polling the bartender to try to get drinks ahead of me for his girl.

[12:11:05]

Dagmar:

A fifty speaks more loudly than a visor.

[12:11:44]

juski:

I like those friendly bars where random strangers will strike up a conversation with anybody while holding them in a headlock

[12:11:49]

rsdvd:

when I ran my bar – I would not accept fifty's......most of them in manc were forged

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rsdvd:

juski : there are lots of bars like that in manchester

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juski:

I know – we're spoilt for choice

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rsdvd:

:-)

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Dagmar:

rsdvd: Well, it's not like crayon is hard to spot

[12:12:55]

juski:

you know that LW expo thing last year? I was shocked to find a pub in Hotting Hill charging less for booze than anywhere in Mancyland

[12:13:41]

Dagmar:

They don't have to pay high insurance premiums because Linux geeks won't be likely to trash the place

[12:13:45]

gbee:

This advertisement was brought to you by 'Visit Manchester' a branch of Manchester Tourist Board

[12:14:25]

juski:

"come to Manchester... you might get out alive"

[12:15:06]

rsdvd:

:-) I got out alive :-)

[12:17:01]

hd420:

I got out of Leeds and Bradford in one piece

[12:17:09]

Ruleke:

hehe me too

[12:17:19]

Ruleke:

I even still go back ;)

[12:17:26]

juski:

I miss going out in Leeds

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juski:

even though I think it's a bit too try-hard

[12:17:57]

juski:

last time I was there you couldn't move for mullets

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rsdvd:

'mullets' – when were you there – the 70's

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Ruleke:

hehe

[12:20:19]

juski:

mullets made a comeback not so long ago

[12:20:35]

rsdvd:

oops – shows I am not 'up with fashion'

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Ruleke:

juski: liar

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Ruleke:

:)

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Dagmar:

Some places, unfortunately, they never left

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orko_:

hi. i just thougth about creating a wiki page wherer lircrc and lircd.confs for different remotes are downloadable. And want to aks you what you think about this?

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rsdvd:

there is one already

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orko_:

perhaps later on i can integrate a set of lircrc/lircd.conf script into mythtv itself and make a selection screen for the frontend configuration

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orko_:

rsdvd: where?

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daviey:

the lirc website

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rsdvd:

:-)

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daviey:

not sure it's wiki tho

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orko_:

i searched the whole wiki and only can find here and there some links to lircrc's

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orko_:

Most of the time the lircrc and lircd.conf do not fit together. like ch+ and Channel+ .

[12:27:18]

daviey:

thats true, and Record Rec

[12:27:43]

rsdvd:

I am not sure if it ever made it to myth wikki.......but the examples are in the share directory of each installation

[12:28:03]

juski:

I keep seeing all these random unconnected comments...

[12:28:23]

daviey:

orko_, i'm going to make a python installler for lirc that sorts out rc and confs. If you can standardise them; i'd be appreciative

[12:28:28]

rsdvd:

but feel free to add a wikki page – maybe you can write something that makes it cleaqr to everyone

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orko_:

So i want a page where lircrc and lircd.conf for each remote are.

[12:28:52]

orko_:

so that users dont have to adopt the files.

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juski:

oh ffs making lirc configs is piss easy

[12:29:04]

orko_:

i want mythtv configuration more user friendly.

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dustybin:

hey juski i cracked getting lircmd working! it was all down to my lircd.conf containing more than 1 remote configuration and lircmd.conf was assigned to the wrong remote name!

[12:29:19]

orko_:

juski: my dad didn't get it.

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rsdvd:

juski : it might be for you – but not for everyone! I still have not got a lircrc I like

[12:30:15]

juski:

never mind for me – it *IS* piss-easy

[12:30:25]

daviey:

heck mythtv installlation is easy. So why does the likes of knoppmyth exsist?

[12:30:35]

juski:

hell if using irrecord is beyond you, wtf are you doing?

[12:30:36]

juski:

;)

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orko_:

juski: but don't you want mythtv to be used by more people out there?

[12:30:51]

daviey:

clearly not

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dustybin:

rsdvd: mythtv keys work perfectly with that grey hauppauge remote

[12:31:21]

juski:

it's not that I don't want mythtv to be used by more people

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juski:

I want there to be less thick people

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** dustybin hides **

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rsdvd:

juski : I have the M$ MCE remote and no-one has ever posted a lircrc that supports all teh buttons in all the parts of mythtv

[12:32:31]

dustybin:

rsdvd: no one likes ms products in the linux world, remotes or software

[12:32:45]

quicksilver:

I have an MS mouse, it's OK

[12:32:47]

dustybin:

or bill gates

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orko_:

i showed mythtv to a friend and he was absolutly suprised and wanted it. After trying to install it for one week he got back to MCE, because install took 30mi

[12:32:54]

juski:

I seriously hope that mythtv never becomes a one-click app

[12:33:11]

juski:

a la Fisher-Price PVR

[12:33:26]

GreyFoxx:

orko_: It's really depends on the person doing the install and what experience you have

[12:33:27]

Dagmar:

You want a Fisher-Price theme?

[12:33:29]

Dagmar:

:)

[12:33:29]

juski:

I'm not being eliteist for the sake of it

[12:33:35]

rsdvd:

dustybin : I am not suer why poeple are so down on M$ harware – it is much beter then their software

[12:33:40]

juski:

everybody would be better off if there were less thick people around

[12:33:41]

orko_:

i want mythtv to have both: give the geek their super ocnfig files, but let socer mom use it too.

[12:34:01]

quicksilver:

juski: except the thick people which used to be around before you 'got rid of them' :)

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Milosch:

it could only really be Fisher Price if it also records on the Norelco-Philips compact cassette

[12:34:15]

juski:

I'm not some bloody omnicognic genius – mythtv isn't that hard

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dustybin:

was mythtv coded in c?

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orko_:

juski: But its hard enough

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quicksilver:

dustybin: C++

[12:34:44]

dustybin:

(is

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dustybin:

ok

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Milosch:

(re: their high speed toy camcorder circa 1986)

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juski:

Milosch: I remember that

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quicksilver:

to be honest, I find most of the 'hard' is in hardware issues

[12:35:10]

orko_:

eg: remote has to be done completly out of mythtv.

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GreyFoxx:

dustyin: It's mostly c++ with a little C (in the libavcodec libraries)

[12:35:11]

quicksilver:

i.e. really not myth's fault

[12:35:16]

rsdvd:

setting up a remote for the first time is not 'hard' just rather time consuming .... and if someone wants to post their orking configs then it saves poeple time

[12:35:22]

Milosch:

juski: b/w ccd, really nice quality

[12:35:50]

juski:

I've yet to find a 'someone else's config'

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orko_:

or take a look at the playback filter 'command line' in the frontends config. thats crap.

[12:36:03]

juski:

that even came close to what i wanted. cantankerous fuck that I am

[12:36:13]

rsdvd:

well that is you :-)

[12:36:31]

dustybin:

rsdvd: buy one of these on ebay, they are perfect: https://registration.hauppauge.com/webstore/i . . . te_large.jpg

[12:36:35]

juski:

advocacy is shit. usres are nothing but a PITA

[12:36:36]

rsdvd:

I woudl be very happy if someone shared a working MS MCE config

[12:36:56]

juski:

jees where did that one come from? eek

[12:37:00]

rsdvd:

dustybin : I have one! but prefer the look and feel of the MCE

[12:37:06]

dustybin:

eek

[12:37:20]

daviey:

i have 2 x of them remotes; i am very pleased with them

[12:37:32]

dustybin:

u would catch me with microsoft labelled remotes..

[12:37:32]

orko_:

i think i will start a wiki page where we can collect lircrc/ilrcd.conf combinations. maybe with a readme about which button does what in mythtv

[12:37:34]

dustybin:

wouldnt

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Milosch:

maybe it's just me, but i think the buttons are too small

[12:37:54]

daviey:

Milosch has fat fingers

[12:38:00]

Milosch:

not nearly as bad as the new Blackberries, though

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juski:

I'm surprised nobody has yet asked me who made me this bitter. not that it's obvious or anything

[12:38:28]

Milosch:

and just when i got used to them, they deinvented the wheel

[12:38:31]

GreyFoxx:

orko_: Just use the myth wiki, it makes no sense to create yet another place for people to go looking in the effort to simplify installs :)

[12:38:33]

rsdvd:

orko_ : feel free to set up the page.....only then can you gauge the need/response

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dustybin:

juski: its a bit early for bitter!

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Milosch:

juski: i don't need to ask who, just what was her name

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rsdvd:

juski : go on then – "who made you this bitter?"

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orko_:

GreyFoxx: i absolutly would use the myth wiki.

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juski:

rsdvd: not telling in a logged channel

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gbee:

but it's not that high as I setup my remotes long ago :)

[12:41:20]

rsdvd:

does anyone else here use a MS MCE remote?

[12:41:24]

GreyFoxx:

Eventually someone will make a GUI to load prebuilt config files or learn the buttons and build the lirc config file. It's just that noone has done it yet

[12:41:34]

juski:

you know what I've never 'got' about all this remote business... how many times do we see people whose configs posted on the net, in the lirc file storage area – are bullshit

[12:41:37]

Dagmar:

dustybin: So, what do you think the odds are of anyone else here having the exact same hardware as you?

[12:41:40]

Milosch:

rsdvd: i have the one that came with my pvr-500

[12:41:41]

dustybin:

GrefFoxx: GUIs are for lamers

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rsdvd:

Milosch : did you ever set it up?

[12:42:03]

dustybin:

Dagmar, that hauppage remote is COMMON as muck!

[12:42:19]

GreyFoxx:

dustybin: So? :)

[12:42:19]

Milosch:

rsdvd: yep

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juski:

dustybin: so explain why so many people have SO much trouble making it work?

[12:42:28]

juski:

:-P

[12:42:36]

juski:

are they all retarded?

[12:42:36]

daviey:

can we kick MythLogBot so juski can tell us who made you so bitter?

[12:42:37]

dustybin:

juski: thickness!

[12:42:38]

rsdvd:

Milosch : do you have a working lircrc then?

[12:42:40]

** gbee has just bought one of those Hauppague remotes ;) **

[12:42:41]

Dagmar:

dustybin: So, why would they want the files you made over the ones that ship with lirc?

[12:42:54]

Milosch:

juski: because IR has trouble penetrating pot smoke i guess

[12:43:04]

Dagmar:

he's got you there

[12:43:07]

gbee:

hehe

[12:43:08]

dustybin:

my files work perfectly with that hauppage remote and mythtv

[12:43:13]

Dagmar:

It's scientifical fact

[12:43:31]

juski:

ahhh never thought of that, being a heavy crack user myself

[12:43:31]

Milosch:

Dagmar: totally

[12:43:56]

Milosch:

i don't use crack much since i left Haiti

[12:44:10]

daviey:

my crack is sore, after last night

[12:44:32]

dustybin:

lol

[12:44:33]

Milosch:

rsdvd: yes, what problem are you having with it?

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orko_:

is it possible to run mythtv-setup and mythfront at the same time to fine tune channels and see the result instantly?

[12:44:55]

daviey:

orko_, no

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Milosch:

why should you need to fine tune?

[12:45:29]

rsdvd:

Milosch : the 'example' lircrc seems to only set up about 6 keys.......just never got the time/brain power to work out what I need to set up :-)

[12:45:31]

Milosch:

you don't mean actual tuning do you?

[12:45:35]

dustybin:

i wonder why mythtv was coded in C++ and not C

[12:45:35]

daviey:

orko_, well, the backend is supposed to be stopped when you when mythtv-setup

[12:45:44]

dustybin:

i thought most linux stuff is coded in C

[12:45:53]

Dagmar:

dustybin: Because the ++ means it's fancier

[12:45:57]

GreyFoxx:

daviey: That really only applies with tuner changes for the most part

[12:45:58]

Dagmar:

...and Qt is involved.

[12:45:59]

Milosch:

dustybin: probably has to do with QT, also

[12:45:59]

daviey:

dustybin, python now i reckon ;)

[12:46:00]

GreyFoxx:

orko_: Sur you can

[12:46:02]

juski:

anyway my argument is maybe effort would be better directed towards educating people – i.e. leave the folks who can't be arsed to RTFM to their own devices & fuck em off

[12:46:33]

GreyFoxx:

just remember that you have to exit livetv betwn each edit for it to take effect

[12:46:41]

Milosch:

juski: necessary evil, unless you want to always maintain the smallest community possible

[12:46:46]

orko_:

Milosch: some channels do not look so good when i only give the frequency. i use german analog cable.

[12:47:00]

juski:

Milosch: what is SO bad about making people research?

[12:47:24]

juski:

can these people not go to the toilet themselves?

[12:47:32]

Milosch:

juski: people on the whole (not a crack reference) just aren't that swift

[12:47:32]

Dagmar:

print?"

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dustybin:

aye

[12:47:55]

Dagmar:

WHY DO YOU HATE MOTHER EARTH SO MUCH???

[12:47:56]

dustybin:

10 PRINT "RTFM"

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dustybin:

20 GOTO 10

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Milosch:

rsdvd: the key point is having the lircd.conf match for the key names, you know

[12:48:26]

juski:

to hell with the size of community – if more people RTFM'd we'd all benefit

[12:48:37]

juski:

and there's nothing wrong in wanting that

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Milosch:

5 REM THIS IS FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

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rsdvd:

Milosch : the lircd.conf is fine.......all the buttons are recognised in irw.....the time consuming part is then setting up lircrc to map them to something usuable for mythtv

[12:49:17]

dustybin:

6 REM ************ RTFM V1.0 *****************

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Milosch:

the more things same the more they stay than change

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Milosch:

or something like that

[12:49:23]

juski:

as far as the community goes I'm not entirely sure that development would stop if all the users went away

[12:49:32]

Dagmar:

7 REM PULL MY FINGER YOU BASIC MONKEY

[12:49:39]

dustybin:

lol

[12:49:46]

rsdvd:

It is not a matter of I can't do it – just never have the time to spend hours writing a lircrc that covers all the parts of myth and xine/mplayer etc

[12:49:50]

Milosch:

juski: i think it would be slow(er)

[12:49:51]

hd420:

plus ca change

[12:49:59]

orko_:

rsdvd: the time consuming part is to make lircrc and lircd.conf fit togehter

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Milosch:

8 REM USE M FOR GREAT JUSTICE

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orko_:

most lircrc are good enough

[12:50:22]

Milosch:

9 REM WHAT YOU SAYING?

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rsdvd:

orko_ : well making them fit together is part and parcel of it all

[12:50:39]

juski:

it's like trying to raise the damn dead

[12:51:08]

Dagmar:

No, that's actually fairly easy

[12:51:11]

gbee:

rsdvd: the lirc to mythtv mapping is the part I hope to simplify, but at the end of the day the user is always going to have to do *some* button to action mapping

[12:51:12]

orko_:

But for normal users it should not be a parcel at all.

[12:51:16]

juski:

if the community is so averse to learning new stuff I'll just fuck off

[12:51:25]

Dagmar:

Well, as long as you don't mind a lot of drooling and staggering about

[12:51:43]

gbee:

if I get it right, the need for a lircrc file will be removed

[12:51:44]

orko_:

s/parcel/puzzle

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juski:

since installing myth I've not turned into a rocket scientist funnily enough

[12:51:59]

rsdvd:

gbee – that woudl be very good

[12:52:21]

orko_:

juski: is it so hard for you to understand that normal users want to use a software not configure it?

[12:52:29]

gbee:

of course I was proposing these changes 6 months ago and I've yet to do it

[12:52:37]

juski:

gbee: do away with the need for a database & then ubunut users will have an easier life ;)

[12:52:41]

Dagmar:

Speaking of which, if you have any dead bodies about, I'm in the market for a few thousand

[12:52:55]

rsdvd:

gbee : I am not a good programmer- but I will help you when you get round to it!

[12:52:56]

Milosch:

rsdvd: i have to admit my file is kinda weird, i have power mapped to a script to kill or restart X, etc.

[12:53:33]

rsdvd:

Milosch : actaully – so do I! that is one bit I have working- power runs a irexec to restart things

[12:53:50]

Milosch:

and that fscking logo key is to restart mythfrontend

[12:54:01]

rsdvd:

Milosch : I would realy like to see your irexec – it might spur me on to gettig mine working

[12:54:07]

Milosch:

but i haven't needed that since the other one

[12:54:08]

dustybin:

im in the mood for a new mythtv skin

[12:54:24]

dustybin:

i heard juski has designed some?

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gbee:

one or two, nothing special

[12:54:40]

juski:

I didn't design any SKIN

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Dagmar:

Yeah but he wont' make 4:3 versions

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gbee:

:p

[12:54:49]

rsdvd:

skin != theme

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Dagmar:

;)

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dustybin:

oh yes!

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juski:

good luck

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Milosch:

rsdvd: fwiw – http://pastebin.ca/386153

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gbee:

in this context it's a little pedantic as mythtv doesn't a any skinning, just theming

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juski:

WTF?!?!?!?!

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rsdvd:

Milosch : thanks that might be the thing I need to get round to actually finishing that frotnend :-)

[12:56:13]

juski:

that's it

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gbee:

unless you call replacing images and changing colours in an existing theme a skin

[12:56:23]

juski:

I'm throwing in the theming towel

[12:56:34]

dustybin:

To avoid the use of the expletive "fucking", the "F" is often translated to another adjective, such as "Fantastic," "Friggin'," "Friendly," "Freaking," "Flipping," "Flaming." Some people prefer the backronym "Read The Fine Manual." Alternatively, the "F" can be dropped entirely and the initialism rendered as "RTM" (Read The Manual), or the more polite "RTMP" (Read The Manual Please).

[12:56:35]

juski:

website's gone again :(

[12:56:59]

rsdvd:

Milosch : did you have to change the keymapping/jumppoints for your lircrc ?

[12:57:00]

Milosch:

dustybin: sorry, plain old fsck will do ;)

[12:57:00]

juski:

nothing is worth this hassle

[12:57:09]

gbee:

!

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Milosch:

rsdvd: er?

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Zider:

juski: "gone"? all the files too?

[12:57:39]

juski:

files aren't hosted there

[12:57:42]

Zider:

ah

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dustybin:

does anybody fancy coming inside my box?

[12:58:06]

rsdvd:

Milosch : you can change the keys that actaully do things in Myth......or does this lircrc use the standard ones?

[12:58:09]

dustybin:

mythtv box that is

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Milosch:

dustybin: dude, seriously

[12:58:22]

Milosch:

rsdvd: i didn't change that, no

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rsdvd:

:-)

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juski:

right, you fuckers. whoever keeps deleting my site

[12:58:43]

juski:

you succeeded

[12:58:45]

juski:

I give up!

[12:58:51]

Milosch:

rsdvd: btw, i am using the livetv button for prev ch

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Milosch:

since there isn't one

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Dagmar:

juski; no logs this time either?

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rsdvd:

:-) that would be obvious !

[12:59:13]

juski:

the windows box isn't on

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Zider:

juski: I have a webserver if you need hosting..

[12:59:24]

juski:

I don't want it

[12:59:31]

juski:

I'm just gonna disappear

[12:59:33]

rsdvd:

juski – this has to be an NTL problem

[12:59:34]

Milosch:

ditto, also have hosting...

[12:59:51]

Dagmar:

We would like a chance to find out who is doing it so we can ruin them

[12:59:51]

Milosch:

juski: i can't imagine why you would be such a target ;)

[13:00:27]

juski:

for being an advocate of noobs reading the manual? hmmm

[13:00:58]

juski:

fuck it

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Dagmar:

_Gigantic_.

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Milosch:

Dagmar: that's true

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hd420:

rsdvd: do you listen to the now show on radio4?

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Milosch:

oops...

[13:01:37]

rsdvd:

hd420 : never listen to Radio 4

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hd420:

rsdvd: it's hilarious

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Milosch:

man, what is he using to make his box so susceptible?

[13:02:30]

Dagmar:

VNC

[13:02:30]

Milosch:

that sucks

[13:02:34]

Milosch:

heh

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Milosch:

you MUST be kidding

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Dagmar:

We went through this the last time

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Milosch:

oh geez, are you serious

[13:03:14]

Dagmar:

Trying to get Juski to cough up details about what he does and what protocols he uses is like pulling goldfarmers

[13:03:49]

Milosch:

telnet and start-run-\ip.ad.dr.esshare ?

[13:04:01]

Dagmar:

We need to get a real madman to host his stuff

[13:05:37]

Dagmar:

Someone who'll just find the IP address of the attacker, and then go to someone's house, violate their dog, pee in the fridge, mince up the wife and kids and scatter their bits around the house, and then send the cracker a scan of the news clippings with the description "If I find out where you live, I'll do you worse"

[13:08:34]

rsdvd:

Dagmar : you scare me!

[13:08:37]

** gbee starts a migration to a new ISP and puts the house on the market **

[13:09:15]

Dagmar:

I have an overactive imagination, and I drink a lot of energy drinks

[13:09:23]

rsdvd:

lol

[13:09:51]

Dagmar:

Should I ever get busted for anything horrifying, I intend to plead temporary overcaffienation

[13:11:23]

daviey:

juski's site hacked again?!

[13:13:18]

praet:

rsdvd no sleep today eh?

[13:14:21]

daviey:

Juski *must* be compromising something himself

[13:14:32]

daviey:

thats the 3rd time isn't it?

[13:14:59]

Dagmar:

Second that I'm aware of

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rsdvd:

3rd

[13:15:21]

Dagmar:

Damn'

[13:15:33]

praet:

getting hacked is a terrible feeling

[13:15:55]

Dagmar:

What good are all these security skills I have if I can't get the pull to identify a culprit to call a hit on

[13:16:11]

Dagmar:

praet: I'll have to take your word on that

[13:16:23]

Milosch:

Dagmar: go to his house and force feed him the manual

[13:16:45]

dustybin:

a lot of hacked stuff isnt hacked by a human its sometimes the workings of a BOT

[13:16:49]

daviey:

i've only had a website hacked once; and i knew who it was. That was about 10 years ago.

[13:16:54]

Dagmar:

If I'm traveling that far, I'd rather be made an admin of his stuff ofr about a month so I can figure out who's been sniffing around, and then go to THEIR house

[13:17:06]

Dagmar:

dustybin: A fswipe isn't a bot.

[13:17:18]

Dagmar:

That's just an asshole.

[13:17:19]

dustybin:

o_0

[13:17:43]

praet:

wmy mate called me up for help on a site he was hosting. my reaction was to franticly delete the defaced images and restore the site

[13:18:02]

praet:

then cleared the cache

[13:18:16]

Dagmar:

You'd think you'd never seen a man's lower intesting before

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Dagmar:

dustybin: If there *were* a bot scanning around for filesystems to delete, someone would be mentioning it on one of the mailing lists I'm on

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praet:

Dagmar: offer to check his logs

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dustybin:

1..make sure the kernel and software are all the latest versions. 2.. secure the OS and software .config files as much as possible. 3. Use a firewall like iptables

[13:21:08]

dustybin:

4. backup your server with rsync

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Milosch:

yeah, that one is next for me...

[13:21:32]

Dagmar:

"secure the OS and software .config files as much as possible."

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Dagmar:

Sounds like an MBA directive to me

[13:25:06]

dustybin:

5. never give your girlfriend / boyfriend(s) passwords

[13:25:39]

dustybin:

6. use safe passwords or even better public keys

[13:26:05]

Dagmar:

Itemized lists are about as useful as a twelve-step program

[13:27:12]

dustybin:

7. and always remember, nothing is 100% secure against black hats, so keep that in mind..

[13:28:49]

Milosch:

security is a question of time, imo

[13:29:11]

Milosch:

and resources...

[13:29:22]

Dagmar:

...and policies

[13:29:47]

Milosch:

dustybin: thanks for the reminder, snagging an rsync atm

[13:30:22]

Dagmar:

1. Every month, audit office passwords to ensure compliance with corporate policy.

[13:31:10]

Dagmar:

- Any user whose password fails to comply should be fired, but make sure the first offender is kept after hours before letting him go--then circulate the rumor that he was simply killed.

[13:31:11]

gbee:

better to check them automatically at the time they are entered

[13:32:03]

Dagmar:

The key is in letting employees be able to assign passwords in violation of policy.

[13:32:21]

Dagmar:

These are the people who will forever be trying to get around security policy, so they should be eliminated early.

[13:32:26]

gbee:

heh

[13:33:12]

Dagmar:

My favorite was a man who bragged that I wouldn't be finding his password using JTR because his password wasn't in English.

[13:33:47]

Dagmar:

Half an hour and thirty-five new dictionaries later...

[13:34:25]

Dagmar:

The last time I was in charge of policing users directly, I locked people out of everything immediately upon a successful crack.

[13:34:58]

Dagmar:

It's mean and disruptive, but compliance goes up like you would never guess.

[13:35:43]

Dagmar:

Factor in that 80% of the time, incidents are an *insider* job...

[13:36:37]

bieb:

What is JTR?

[13:37:10]

Dagmar:

Hang a picture of a pillory in your cubicle, chuckle evilly, and it actually goes quite a ways

[13:37:23]

Dagmar:

John The Ripper. Very fast dictionary cracker.

[13:37:28]

bieb:

ahh

[13:38:03]

Dagmar:

You use it to find out things like "Your second-in-charge sysadmin is using an unregistered password change mechanism so he can use his wife's name for his password"

[13:38:17]

bieb:

lol

[13:38:48]

** dustybin laughs mechanically **

[13:39:03]

Dagmar:

...and "14 of you users think 'password1' is a safe password" and "9 users here are using their own last names as passwords".

[13:39:41]

Dagmar:

But all theatrics aside, it's a lot easier to get users to take security policy seriously if you dress it up a bit

[13:41:30]

Dagmar:

Publishing old passwords of users so that their office rivals can have a shot at guessing their new one, that's a good one

[13:41:59]

Dagmar:

"Better to be embarassed by someone who hates you than someone who just wants to steal from the company."

[13:42:38]

Dagmar:

There is, of course, no reason the passwords you publish have to be the actual passwords they used, or apply to users who actually exist

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rsdvd:

just publish the password list and see if poeple can match them up to users.....

[13:45:03]

Dagmar:

The best is colleges

[13:45:31]

Dagmar:

Even a half-assed attempt at a dictionary attack will get at least 40% of the passwords

[13:46:17]

Milosch:

what's really cool is when you paste your md5 encoded password in google and actually find it

[13:46:29]

Dagmar:

lol

[13:46:36]

Dagmar:

I never thought of trying to do that

[13:46:44]

Milosch:

juski's site is back

[13:46:49]

Dagmar:

I wonder...

[13:46:54]

Milosch:

Dagmar: i did that to prove to myself how bad it is

[13:47:00]

** Dagmar des crypt's 'password' for root **

[13:47:07]

Milosch:

at least things like md5 password is out there

[13:47:22]

Milosch:

at least crypt is different each time

[13:47:32]

Milosch:

at least (need to stop with that)

[13:47:49]

Dagmar:

Nope, it's not.

[13:48:13]

Dagmar:

Not different each time actually.

[13:48:19]

Dagmar:

That's why the salt values are there

[13:48:23]

Milosch:

more so than md5

[13:48:49]

Dagmar:

Considering that most systems use the first and last letters of the username as the salt value, no.

[13:49:02]

Dagmar:

...and it's a one-way (or so we think) hash-function

[13:49:11]

Dagmar:

If it didn't come out the same way every time, people wouldn't be able to login.

[13:49:19]

Milosch:

it doesn't though

[13:49:28]

Dagmar:

It does, man.

[13:49:34]

Milosch:

maybe something else intervening but you can reset your password and check it

[13:50:17]

Dagmar:

That's the effect of the salt values man.

[13:50:57]

Milosch:

it's perhaps a fine difference, and i surely can't defend crypt() ;)

[13:51:13]

Dagmar:

The md5 crypt routines we Linux people are using comes up with random enough salt values in order to break dictionary cracks, because otehrwise people could pre-compute the entire keyspace

[13:51:49]

Milosch:

i am coming from php experience, and md5('xyz'); is ALWAYS the same

[13:52:00]

Dagmar:

DES crypt implementations usually used the first and last characters of the username as the salt values, which accomplished sort of the same thing, but a given user's ciphered password would always come out the same way

[13:52:09]

Milosch:

anyway, we left that and are using SSHA now

[13:52:48]

Dagmar:

Milosch: yes, the solution there is what we're doing with system passwords. We take two bytes of "random enough" data, append (or prepend or whatever it doesn't really matter exactly how) this to the plaintext and then generate the hash value

[13:52:50]

Milosch:

looking at the text of the passwd file on my systems that used crypt years ago, they were not the same on subsequent changes

[13:53:06]

Dagmar:

Then we store those two bytes of salt unencrypted with the hash

[13:53:12]

Dagmar:

...so the process is repeatable.

[13:54:01]

Dagmar:

Trust me, I've been breaking passwords since before shadowed passwords were popular.

[13:54:07]

Dagmar:

God things were awesome then

[13:54:13]

Milosch:

ok, that may be true, but all i was saying is that md5 is always the same

[13:54:32]

Dagmar:

"<Milosch> at least crypt is different each time"

[13:54:35]

Dagmar:

huh? I'm confused

[13:54:57]

Dagmar:

crypt() as you're probably trying to refer to it, would be the "old" DES crypt.

[13:55:02]

Milosch:

has also been my experience, that relative to md5

[13:55:05]

Dagmar:

It's just a different type of hashing method than md5.

[13:55:08]

Milosch:

yes, old crypt most likely

[13:55:30]

Milosch:

i can only speak from what I saw using php and comparing one to the other

[13:55:40]

Dagmar:

The reason (other than md5 is a bit more robust) everyone migrated from DES to md5 was that in the 90's some bright people realized that the Dept. of Defense held the licencing rights to DES

[13:55:45]

GreyFoxx:

md5() doesn't take a salt value, and always returns the same result. crypt() takes a salt and the results vary based on the salt. Depending on your system crypt could be using the oldstyle DES or a md5 based encryption

[13:55:58]

GreyFoxx:

so crypt+salt = varied md5 result

[13:56:03]

Milosch:

yes, they do combine them...

[13:56:08]

Dagmar:

They wrote up a rather amusing licence to solve the problem of literally the entire planet accidentally infringing upon their rights.

[13:56:08]

gbee:

php crypt uses a random salt with each call

[13:56:16]

GreyFoxx:

unless you pass it a salt

[13:56:26]

GreyFoxx:

but random of course is the better option :)

[13:56:42]

gbee:

but that doesn't make it any more secure than md5 as the salt is just added to the resulting output

[13:56:48]

Milosch:

we have ssha and several other types available in egroupware now

[13:56:52]

Dagmar:

They basically granted everyone the unrestricted right to use DES for their passwords, so long as nothing better was available.

[13:57:16]

Milosch:

just making it slightly more difficult to crack than what we were using, which was md5

[13:57:36]

Milosch:

basically because the old way of thinking was that we should not require mcrypt or mhash, but now we do

[13:57:51]

Dagmar:

For C stuff, you just call crypt()

[13:57:56]

Milosch:

nothing is perfect ;)

[13:58:01]

rsdvd:

Quick MythTv question -If I may: are there default jumppoint keys? is there a default key-combo that will start 'LiveTv' no matter where you are?

[13:58:10]

Dagmar:

It's just going to use the glibc call that would be (in theory) the same as what your system uses

[13:58:13]

gbee:

any hashing is there purely as a last ditch attempt to prevent the casual snooper from learning the plain text password just by looking at the password file – it's not secure

[13:58:17]

Milosch:

was hard to compare passwords using crypt without some addons...

[13:58:18]

Dagmar:

...be it DES or MD5 hashing

[13:58:40]

Milosch:

so a LOT of php projects use(d) md5

[13:58:44]

Milosch:

or clear ;)

[13:58:57]

Dagmar:

Milosch: Compare passwords to what?

[13:59:04]

Milosch:

to what the user typed

[13:59:10]

Milosch:

and working within php

[13:59:26]

Dagmar:

Okay, people using cleartext for password storage are stupid, for one thing.

[13:59:30]

Milosch:

no pam or other fancy crap

[13:59:36]

Milosch:

well, yes

[13:59:54]

Milosch:

like the file storage website that one company did for one of our clients

[14:00:08]

Milosch:

clear passwords and files stored in the document tree

[14:00:20]

Milosch:

hey, it's only accounting data

[14:00:20]

Dagmar:

For the other, it's almost trivially easy to do the same type of password hashing as the system you're on, in perl or PHP

[14:00:56]

Dagmar:

Both languages have a function that's supposed to (in theory) call the same crypt function as the system passwords

[14:01:15]

Milosch:

it was not our experience that the ability to provide a reliable use of crypt on the several different platforms was non-existent in 2000

[14:01:19]

Milosch:

er, was

[14:01:44]

Dagmar:

You weren't trying hard enough then

[14:01:58]

Milosch:

uh huh

[14:02:03]

Dagmar:

...although more likely your problem was simply that you were using PHP. ;)

[14:02:33]

Milosch:

probably

[14:02:41]

Dagmar:

Dude, I had perl doing DES and MD5 crypts on Irix, HP/UX, and Linux back in um, 96-97-ish

[14:02:44]

Milosch:

but the project lives on somehow

[14:03:09]

Dagmar:

Some damnable medical records management outsourcing place I was working for

[14:03:36]

Dagmar:

When I got there, I was hired as jr programmer, and I kid you not there were ten *million* lines of perl code, with two comments in the entire thing

[14:04:05]

Milosch:

actually, i think we are able to use crypt now, but has been years since i made those changes

[14:04:23]

Dagmar:

I was in the "senior" programmer's office (he was at least a damn find coder) at least three times a week asking "okay, what the hell is this code you wrote supposed to be doing?"

[14:04:32]

gurft:

top of the morning my overseas friends.

[14:05:06]

Milosch:

gurft: hello back from an overland one

[14:05:13]

gbee:

php5 offers newer hashing methods, basically you can use whatever is on the system, with sha2 and older favourites such as md5 builtin

[14:05:17]

Dagmar:

Hello sea-dweller

[14:05:25]

Milosch:

ok, i see that we do have des, md5, smd5, sha, and ssha

[14:05:30]

Dagmar:

gbee: s' about time

[14:05:36]

gurft:

So finally succumbing to Juski's advice. I whipped out ye-olde soldering iron last night and build a homebrew serial reciever

[14:05:41]

gbee:

http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.hash.php

[14:05:44]

gurft:

works BEAUTIFULLY with WinLirc

[14:05:44]

Milosch:

mainly to work with ldap...

[14:05:50]

gurft:

Lircin linux... hats me

[14:05:51]

gurft:

hates me

[14:05:51]

gbee:

http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.hash-algos.php

[14:06:15]

gurft:

For some reason I can't get irrecord to see my hauppauge remotes.

[14:06:33]

Milosch:

gbee: neat, i guess they brough in some mhash code there?

[14:06:44]

ryanr23:

Anyone care to try and answer a question about transcoding for DVD in MythArchive?

[14:06:58]

gardengnome:

ryanr23: just ask.

[14:07:01]

ryanr23:

:)

[14:07:37]

gbee:

Milosch: tbh I've no idea :)

[14:07:57]

ryanr23:

When transcoding from NUV using any of the profiles (HQ, SP, etc), the final bitrate is always around 2000k... so my 4.4GB nuv transcodes to ~2GB

[14:08:06]

ryanr23:

not so good quality

[14:08:10]

ryanr23:

this is a SD

[14:09:04]

ryanr23:

MythTV 0.20 and latest ffmpeg from what I can tell... using -b 6000k option vice -b 6000 in the encoding profiles

[14:09:10]

Milosch:

also, we were still maintaining php3 compat back then, so....

[14:09:28]

Dagmar:

Milosch: Aha, here's a page that shows salt values in action, in (slightly weird) perl

[14:09:29]

Dagmar:

http://www.osix.net/modules/article/?id=571

[14:09:30]

ryanr23:

Any ideas why?

[14:10:49]

Dagmar:

ryanr23: Run it in "debug but don't do anything" mode and look at the arguments it's passing

[14:11:04]

ryanr23:

to ffmpeg?

[14:11:08]

Dagmar:

yes

[14:11:19]

gardengnome:

or just look at the logs

[14:11:21]

ryanr23:

yup, done that...

[14:11:26]

ryanr23:

what are you interested in?

[14:11:55]

gardengnome:

i'm not interested in anything, it's *your* problem :)

[14:12:04]

rsdvd:

Hi gardengnome!

[14:12:13]

Dagmar:

I'd kinda like to know what "vice" was supposed to mean up there

[14:12:28]

gardengnome:

heya rsdvd

[14:12:30]

ryanr23:

:) good point

[14:12:40]

ryanr23:

I've done that... nothing jumps out, it all *seems* fine

[14:14:19]

gardengnome:

ryanr23: does the bitrate setting look OK as well in the ffmpeg call?

[14:17:14]

ryanr23:

seems ok to me...

[14:17:33]

gardengnome:

how long is your recording?

[14:17:35]

Dagmar:

ffmpeg16le?

[14:18:01]

ryanr23:

sorry, cut and paste error

[14:18:13]

ryanr23:

ffmpeg -y -f s16le

[14:18:25]

Dagmar:

Ah

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ryanr23:

recording is 2 hrs long

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** daviey wonders when juski will be back.... I reckon even though he isn't 'here' – he is watching us through the logs **

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ryanr23:

about 4.4 GB

[14:21:53]

Dagmar:

Set -qmin higher probably

[14:22:07]

Dagmar:

I wouldn't imagine 5 being anything to brag about

[14:22:19]

Dagmar:

...or do a two-pass encode

[14:22:58]

ryanr23:

ok... I'll try that... by higher, you mean lower? I thought lower was higher quality there...

[14:24:47]

gardengnome:

the bitrate of the resulting file should be quite bit higher, right

[14:26:33]

ryanr23:

yeah, the bitrate of the resulting file is < 3000k

[14:27:10]

ryanr23:

it should be higher (like ~6000k)

[14:27:33]

gardengnome:

it should be about 9000k ;)

[14:27:37]

gardengnome:

-b

[14:27:38]

gardengnome:

9000k

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gardengnome:

oops, pasting f'ed up :)

[14:27:52]

Dagmar:

Wow

[14:28:07]

Dagmar:

Yes definitely set the _minimum image quality_ higher then

[14:28:21]

ryanr23:

ok, this is buried somewhere in mythtranscode then...

[14:28:26]

ryanr23:

I think

[14:28:33]

Dagmar:

I think I've generally got mine at 8 or something

[14:28:39]

ryanr23:

ok

[14:28:56]

Dagmar:

I do two-pass encodes, too tho

[14:29:21]

Dagmar:

INsanely time consuming, but I'd rather do it that way than be tempted to compress it again

[14:29:30]

ryanr23:

ok, there it is in mythburn, I just missed it

[14:30:22]

ryanr23:

ok... well, my recordings typically record directly to DVD spec so I don't have to reencode, but I have some transcoded files that I want to offload to DVD... but the quality has been aweful

[14:30:55]

Dagmar:

Yeah I think it's basically par that everyone spends a few days dorking around with settings until they come up with something they like

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Beirdo:

nothing a dog can do quite says "I love you" like puking up her food on your leg

[14:55:51]

Dagmar:

Perhaps you should rethink that statement.

[14:55:56]

Beirdo:

heh

[14:56:08]

Beirdo:

maybe my puppy should rethink that statement

[14:56:21]

Dagmar:

I'd take the puking.

[14:56:35]

Beirdo:

crazy puppy

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gurft:

Okay, so I'm really thinking about getting the snapstream firefly to use for my mythtv box

[14:57:22]

gurft:

anyoen runnign it have any opinions?

[14:57:58]

jams:

mine sits on the shelf unused

[14:58:18]

quicksilver:

jams: keeps the dust off, thouguh

[14:58:21]

quicksilver:

(off the shelf)

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gurft:

jams: Want to sell it ;)

[14:58:27]

jams:

buttons are mushy

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jams:

quicksilver- hehe, yes it does

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daviey:

gurft, is your lirc reciever serial?

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jams:

gurft- nope, it looks nice on my shelf

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gurft:

Well, been workign on making a serial reciever, but have not had much luck

[15:00:25]

Beirdo:

WTF is .thumbnails in my homedir, I wonder?

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gurft:

it works fine when I use winlirc upstairs, but when I use lirc on the linux box, it can't see codes.

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Beirdo:

64MB of PNG thumbnails??

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gurft:

It's really weird. I'm at the point that I just want to get a USB one that will "just work"

[15:01:15]

gurft:

Fought my hauppauges for about a year, fought the serial last night and this morning.

[15:01:38]

gurft:

my time is worth more than $50 for a remote ;)

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jams:

gurft- good call

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gurft:

so what are you running now Jams if you didn't like the firefly?

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daviey:

gurft, you need to 'setserial'

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jams:

i use the streamzap

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gurft:

I did setserial

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gurft:

it recognizes the device

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gurft:

and will read some codes

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daviey:

what distro?

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gurft:

Ubuntu

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gurft:

but I complied lirc myself

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daviey:

version?

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daviey:

edgy?

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gurft:

6.10

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jams:

streamzap on some boxes, and on others I use transmitter/receiver by iguanaworks

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gurft:

Yea, with 2.6.10 kernel

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gurft:

2.6.20

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daviey:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Edgy

[15:10:06]

daviey:

that guide 'just works'

[15:12:27]

gurft:

Yea, the software is good, the module is good. I think it's actually the IR reciever that I used to build the homebrew serial that's killing me

[15:12:41]

gurft:

It doesn't have a very wide signal bandwith (It was what was in the box....)

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daviey:

hmm

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daviey:

if it works in win32, it should also work in linux

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gurft:

yea, it's very weird

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gurft:

I'm wondering if it might be that lirc 0.8.1 doesnt' officially support 2.6.20 yet.

[15:19:17]

gurft:

jams, did you ahve any issues getting the streamzap workign?

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gurft:

looks liek I just use the atiusb driver

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jams:

gurft- the streamzap works without issue. It was almost plug in and go

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jams:

gurft- for the serial receiver I use, it's on my links page at jmeyer.us

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daviey:

gurft, it doesn't work with 2.6.20 – but what do you have that kernel on edgy?

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gurft:

Needed support for my SATA card, it doesn' wok in 2.6.19, but does in 2.6.20

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gurft:

I'm going to try lirc from CVS

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daviey:

gurft, yeah it's known not to work with x.20

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gurft:

Just lirc_serial, or all lirc modules?

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gurft:

'casue that would be a kick in the pants...

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gurft:

dont' answer that

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gurft:

i'll brb

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Gurft:

Sorry, I'm back

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Gurft:

had to swap PCs

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Gurft:

anyhow, is it just lirc_serial that's not supported in 2.6.20 or is it all LIRC?

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daviey:

i think it's lirc in general

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daviey:

but a fix will be out soon, i'm sure – i only heard of the problem yesterday

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Dagmar:

Enh not like it matters to people who aren't using IEGD

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gbee:

is that 2.6.20 and above or just 2.6.20?

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gbee:

oh that's ok then :)

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Gurft:

Ugh, cvs is compliainign it can't find makefile.in

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Gurft:

to google I go.

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daviey:

* Juski RTFM, GOOGLE IT, GO AWAY

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daviey:

:P

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juski:

well that's me webshite back up

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Gurft:

hahahaha

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juski:

for what that's worth

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daviey:

juski, what are you doing to make yourself so venerable? You are changing the passwords each time?

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juski:

venerable?

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fysa:

haha

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juski:

vulnerable you mean

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daviey:

bah, have a guess what i meant

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juski:

MY passwords aren't the issue

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daviey:

is it mine?

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juski:

password my ISP gives me.. that might be

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daviey:

Have you had that reset?

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juski:

they're working on it

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juski:

useless bastards

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jams:

juski- whats your website again. The link on my page doesn't work anymore

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juski:

I've decided I don't care about my site or themes anymore – if they get taken away then so be it

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juski:

I'll put em back up if & when I can be arsed

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Gurft:

Is it some stupid scriptkiddie?

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juski:

I'm past caring, but it seems that every time I stir up a debate in here, it goes

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** Gurft mutters stupid versions of automake, stupid ubuntu, stupid lirc cvs, stupid me for needing SATA and a DDR dancemat **

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Ruleke:

juski: heh

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** daviey imagines Gurft on a dancemat **

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Gurft:

We went over THAT yesterday ;)

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Ruleke:

:)

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juski:

it's more than likely someone who had access to my windows box AND is on NTL

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juski:

who here is on NTL?

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Ruleke:

nawt me

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daviey:

juski, kick up another debate and see what happens

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GreyFoxx:

And is an NTL employee?

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Gurft:

what's NTL?

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** daviey is relived his IP is hidden **

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Ruleke:

most of the time you can just phone an ISP and have the password reset with minimal data

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Ruleke:

it's how my gf had her site compromised

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Dagmar:

Netherlands Telephone Lamers

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juski:

GreyFoxx: you only need an NTL IP address to ftp to NTL webspace

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GreyFoxx:

I've seen a friend of mine have a ton of issues in a channel where if they had a fight he would get kicked offline and his cable modem went offline. Turned out on of the peoples we was fighting was a lowlevel tech support guy from mhis ISP and would disable his modem for a minute

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juski:

and the password

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daviey:

juski, whats the password, let me test it

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Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: See, that's no good. The proper thing to do in response is to dcom the hell out of *their* network so that all those lamers keep the guy busy fielding trouble calls

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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adante:

Gurft: fellow ddr player? represent!

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Gurft:

oh god... I'm so sorry I ever brought the topic up.

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Gurft:

daviey: looks like lirc from CVS compiled successfully.

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GreyFoxx:

I remember years ago, someone came on and DEMANDED that I give him a phaze.org shell.... after I said no he startedto flood the box.. I told him to stop but he wouldn't... so I shut off his cable modem for the weekend. At the time I was an admin at his isp and he didn't notice that his flood was destined for our server network which is where phaze.org was at the time :)

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GreyFoxx:

I made him call and appologize before I turned it back on :)

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daviey:

Gurft, thanks for letting me know, can you tell me if it works tho?

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Gurft:

Yea, give me a few, the wife is home from work so I now must be verry.verry. sneaky.

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gbee:

juski: I'm on NTL, or VM as they now like to be called

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daviey:

yeah, i have that problem most of the time. I used to get in trouble for being in the office too much. So i bought a laptop and can sit infront of the tv now

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daviey:

juski gbee , me too

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gbee:

never used the webspace though, or the email

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daviey:

so is my neighbour

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daviey:

actually i *want* to use the webspace and email, but cba to phone them up

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juski:

maybe I'll just host the site on mythtvtalk.com whre the tarballs are

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juski:

wtf was that?!

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anykey_:

was what?

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Ruleke:

did you fart ?

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juski:

-cust227.bagu.broadband.ntl.com

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Ruleke:

hmm ?

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juski:

that was my ID last time I looked

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anykey_:

it still is

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daviey:

it is

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juski:

:-O

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Ruleke:

did you take drugs ?

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daviey:

was it you that hacked your site?

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Ruleke:

schizo :)

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Dagmar:

He was like "Ah they'll figure out why it was turned off"

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juski:

did I take drugs? I bloody well feel like I need to, but no

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Ruleke:

jk mr juski

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juski:

and was it me who hacked my site? no. though depriving whiny users of hard work is sometimes appealing

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Ruleke:

it just seemed like a random set of sentences

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Ruleke:

what about the host ?

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Dagmar:

juski: You know, there's an idea. Make a new top-level index.html that just says "TODAY IS 'NOTHING FOR YOU DAY'. It is a day in which you get nothing from me, NOTHING! MUAHAHAHA!"

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Ruleke:

what was so weird about cust227 :)

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juski:

why would the host keep losing my ffiles?

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Dagmar:

juski: Lead in the drinking water. Windows Vista on the fileserver. Cosmic rays. Communism.

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juski:

seems I have a new account on the linux box

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daviey:

juski, do you have the access logs?

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juski:

to what?

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daviey:

the ntl ftp

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juski:

hahahaha

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Ruleke:

new account on the ftp ?

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juski:

I've found a new account on MY linux box at home

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anykey_:

juski: did he gain root priviliges?

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Dagmar:

Shit that is not good

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daviey:

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh – tell us what you know

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Dagmar:

t3ll uS wh0 t0 h4v3 k1ll3d d4mn1t

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juski:

it's all my own fault. not that that makes me any less angry

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anykey_:

where did the attacker come in juski?

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juski:

godknows

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juski:

prolly my ssh

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Ruleke:

housemate ? :)

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daviey:

wife? :P

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juski:

I should look on my work pc for a key logger

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Ruleke:

ssh password was 'juski' wasn't it

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Ruleke:

:)

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juski:

I'm daft but not stupid ya know

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Dagmar:

...and then look near work for somewhere large enough to stash a body.

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Dagmar:

This is just to amuse yourself, mind you.

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Ruleke:

hehe isn't that what Hans Reiser did ?

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Dagmar:

For installing a keylogger, getting someone's ass FIRED will be eaaaasy

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Ruleke:

hmm wodner how that turned out

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juski:

I thought our corporate AV software would pick something like that up

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Ruleke:

ah closing arguments tomorrow in the Reiser case

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Dagmar:

Not if it's one of those cutesy little dongles that looks like a keyboard size changer

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juski:

funny bugger – making an account called tuckfard

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Dagmar:

...and especially not if the person who installed it flagged it as safe, or if it's from one of those companies that doesn't sell enough copies for everyone to know who they are and what their code looks like

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juski:

hrm

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laga:

juski: nice one.

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juski:

not gonna delete the tuckfard account yet

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Dagmar:

Oh yes, definitely time to get someone's ass fired.

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Dagmar:

I wouldn't delete anything.

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Ruleke:

juski: that nick was in here earlier

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Dagmar:

Frankly, if you can, I'd image the *drive*

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Ruleke:

!seen tuckfard

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MythLogBot:

tuckfard was last seen 13 minutes 41 seconds ago

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laga:

juski: is there anything in /var/log/auth.log?

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juski:

last login was from my work IP !!

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Ruleke:

/whowas tuckfard

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Dagmar:

juski: Yep. Definitely time to get someone very, very unemployed.

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** laga imagines some german kid waiting for UT in juski's office **

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anykey_:

lol

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Ruleke:

what's UT ?

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laga:

Ruleke: unreal tournament

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Ruleke:

oh

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juski:

maybe this isn't a breach as such

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laga:

Ruleke: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZRF7LKM47uA

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juski:

maybe it's because of me leaving my machine unlocked

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Ruleke:

juski: makes sense now, my client doesn't list hostnames for ppl joining/leaving.. I get the "wtf was that" comment now :)

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anykey_:

juski: search for a account created thing in the logs...

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laga:

logged in as root on yoru linux box? ;)

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laga:

s/yoru/your/

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juski:

laga: no, but I think I should stop using a sudo-enabled account while I'm at work

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** Dagmar is glad he uses su, which asks for the password. **

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laga:

juski: still, someone logged itno your box at home without your permission.

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juski:

technically I should be logged into my box at home either

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juski:

shouldn't, I mean

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anykey_:

heh

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daviey:

eh? tuckfard was in here on your ip

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laga:

daviey: oh, really now?

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laga:

;)

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Ruleke:

daviey: yep :)

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daviey:

n=tuckfard@spc1-salf3-0-0-cust227.bagu.broadband.ntl.com

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Ruleke:

hometime

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Ruleke:

ttyl

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daviey:

bye

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daviey:

I'm going to hammer that IP to teach tuckfard a lesson

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juski:

fat lot of good that'd do

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Dagmar:

daviey; That's juski's office, dude.

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daviey:

worth a try :P

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juski:

it's not

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juski:

that's my home IP

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Dagmar:

I thought you said it was the work IP ah

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juski:

no, the last login as tuckfard on my box was from my work IP

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Dagmar:

Does that IP refer exclusively to your desktop or is that the external firewall addy?

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juski:

extrenal firewall

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Dagmar:

Yep. Call up the internal security peeps at your office.

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daviey:

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Dagmar:

Provided they're logging, that will be enough to have them fire the offender right there

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Dagmar:

I kinda doubt they made an account from your workstation and then logged into it there.

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juski:

yeah I'll say "hey guys, I've been sneaking a connection over to my home & somebody abused it"

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laga:

daviey: the problem is that juski is not allowed to be logged in at home either ;)

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Dagmar:

You don't really have to mention that.

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Dagmar:

...although it does make it somewhat problematic, I'd think the worst they'd do to you is give you a written.

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daviey:

you won't get the sack for that, anyway! Unless you have had a verbal and written warning alread

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juski:

oh and remember these are the guys who were looking at someone's desktop for over an hour without realising his IP lease had ran out

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laga:

they might investivate

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adante:

heheh

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Dagmar:

HOWEVER, willful destruction of data and computer trespass are *crimes* and they will *fire* people for that almost for sure.

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laga:

it would have to be someone with some linux knowledge or they wouldn't be able to start irssi

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Dagmar:

If nothing else you can buy them a few beers and say "Let me know for certain who it was, and I'll take care of the rest. You needn't trouble yourselves over this."

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Dagmar:

:)

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** daviey hopes he doesn't live near Dagmar; he's NUTS **

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gbee:

this is all making me paranoid

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** gbee goes to inspect his firewall **

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** laga thinks about setting up some logging on his wrt54g **

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juski:

this is making me feel better

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** daviey inspect gbee's firewall aswell **

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** laga skips through gbee's resume **

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Dagmar:

I'm applying for the position of Michael during the Armageddon, should a vacancy appear

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juski:

if it's someone here, I can deal with it

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laga:

juski: plan your steps wisely. nothing is more annoying than a f'ed up revenge ;)

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Dagmar:

I've not seen anyone in here rat-bastard enough to go wiping someone's data

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Dagmar:

Definitely not multiple times.

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Dagmar:

You'd have to really, really piss me off for me to even think about doing it once

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juski:

revenge isn't my style

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daviey:

clearly it is somebody from the mythtv community, otherwise i don't think they would bother coming in here

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laga:

you probably caught them after the first time ;)

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Dagmar:

I'd be more likely to encrypt it

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juski:

if it's somebody I upset over something, listen – it changes NOTHING

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Dagmar:

daviey: logging into an account named 'tuckfard' on his home machine, from his work IP?

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daviey:

Dagmar, want to co-ordinate some revenge ourselves?

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juski:

I will always be an asshole

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Dagmar:

daviey: I'll wait until there's a clear target

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gbee:

ran netstat, did a double-take then realised that the bastard logged in via ssh was me ;)

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daviey:

naa, shoot first -ask questions later

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anykey_:

juski: I'd set up a honeypot and see what he is going to do on my box ;-)

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daviey:

anykey_, nice one! now the git will know he might do that

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daviey:

Well i think i might do a McDump, then go home

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praet:

does the pvr-250 require ivtv firmware?

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GreyFoxx:

praet: yes

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juski:

I might end up blocking all my external ports

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juski:

hijack that

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Dagmar:

daviey: No, that's the mark of a madman. A *true* vigilante is interested in *justice*, not revenge. A good vigilante won't act until they are 100% certain that they know who needs killin' (figuratively speaking).

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gbee:

juski: I've got everything blocked except for ssh which is open to just two external ips, ssh password authentication is disabled and the only allowable ssh accounts are locked down tight

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gbee:

running 'msec 5' too

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praet:

GreyFoxx: would not having firmware allow video captureing but not audio?

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GreyFoxx:

praet: Nope.lack of firmware would cause the entire card to be unusable

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gbee:

plus all outgoing traffic but for DNS is blocked too

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Dagmar:

Now, a *broken* firmware might result in no video being encoded, but I think it's more likely the tuner was set crazy

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Dibblah:

Now if it was a 150, that wouldn't be true :)

[16:46:15]

Dibblah:

Not having the audio firmware can stop audio working.

[16:46:25]

Dibblah:

If you're relying on autodetect, etc.

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praet:

ok so i followed jarods guide and have clear video, but no audio

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juski:

gbee: well, even if I blocked ssh to just one IP, this would still have happened

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kslater:

praet – what card? and what sort of input connections to said card?

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gbee:

in this case yes

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juski:

how did I end up working with such a wanker?

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praet:

kslater: its the pvr-250, on fc6

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kslater:

ok. what sort of connections to the card?

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gbee:

although I also carry the ssh public key on a USB key so when I remove it from the machine there is no way for someone else to come along afterwards and connect

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daviey:

juski, sure there isn't an insecure box at your work that somebody has ssh tunnel through?

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daviey:

gbee, what happens if you lose the usb key?

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praet:

cox standard cable coax tuner0

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gbee:

daviey: I can change the ssh key when I'm at home and the usb key has no identifying info on, plus only connections for specific IPs are allowed

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kslater:

hmm. so it would seem to be a settings thing of some sort

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gbee:

so basically it would have to be someone I knew, who used the key on my machine and before I got home to change it :)

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praet:

I definately have audio when i play files out the sound card.. its just seems that there is no audio in the capture

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praet:

mplayer /dev/video0

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daviey:

gbee, you need to run asterisk on the box. Then you have a telephone prompt "Please enter the new key...."

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Dagmar:

port knockers FTW

[16:53:18]

praet:

there is an asterisk on freenode too

[16:53:26]

praet:

i mean, channel

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gbee:

even then, they'd have to install a keylogger to get a password with which to switch users once they were logged in

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gbee:

so it's not perfect, but it's pretty secure

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daviey:

#asterisk – is full of people meaner than juski

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praet:

heh

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gbee:

Dagmar: I was thinking about switching the fixed IPs for port knocking, it can be a little restrictive only being able to log in from a specific machine and would still keep the script kiddies from trying dictionary attacks

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Dagmar:

gbee: Oh, I have a simpler way to kill dictionary attacks against sshd

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Dagmar:

One sec

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Dagmar:

There's a very nice throttling module in iptables practically designed from the ground up to deal with it

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gbee:

I've still got continent wide IP bans, Asia being the biggest

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Dagmar:

It will those pesky asians and their dictionary attacks against ssh *cold*

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daviey:

gbee, i have asia!

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Dagmar:

gbee: I'm about to add CJK and Brazil to my permanent bans

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Dagmar:

deviey: Because three lines of shell script is a lot easier to implement

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gbee:

Dagmar: cheers, will look into it :)

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daviey:

i might ban non uk, unless i tell it otherwise

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Dagmar:

"This script will cause the first connection from any given host to your sshd port (22) to be allowed through. Any further connections coming from that host for the next fifteen seconds will be dropped without so much as a peep back to the remote site and a note will be written to your system logs about it."

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gbee:

yeah also got some Brazil ranges and some eastern European ones

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Dagmar:

Romania, land of nothing worth anything.

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juski:

oh this is hilarious

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juski:

someone's designed a chassis here & they didn't use a datasheet to find out the dimensions of the cdrom drive

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opello:

Dagmar: heh, that iptables bit looks nice *steals* :)

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juski:

they measured a reduced length one not on our books

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juski:

consequently the pucka part is an inch too big

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gbee:

Dagmar: looks good, better than the last script I used

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quicksilver:

Dagmar: that's a useful page, thanks

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Dagmar:

No problem

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juski:

change my passwords as soon as I get home

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daviey:

juski, we can do it from here if you want :P

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juski:

might even cut off my ports, if I can stand the cold turkey

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juski:

I want to give up IRC, it's bad for my health

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daviey:

sure is

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juski:

I hate people

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juski:

thick ones, especially

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daviey:

i got badly addicted about a decade ago. Now the claws have sunk in again

[17:04:39]

juski:

I got rid of my forum modding stuff – that improved things no end

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daviey:

juski, your not login in to home using anything other than SSH are you? ie http ftp or telnet?

[17:05:27]

juski:

I still stand by my comments about user RTFMing earlier though. I want people to be better, not just the apps :)

[17:05:57]

juski:

as if daviey- ssh all the way

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daviey:

doh, the site has gone again

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daviey:

oh no, just slow

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juski:

I bet it gets more traffic when it's not even there

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daviey:

I learnt a valuable lesson today.... don't 'test' "Power On Lan" from a remote location

[17:08:48]

Dagmar:

By the way...

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juski:

whoah... the neon-wide page on my site says just "neon-wide – a GUI theme for Myth"

[17:08:58]

Dagmar:

I HAVE NO MEDIAWIKI FOR NTL USERS TO EXPLOIT, DIG

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Dagmar:

Jesus some people are damn stupid.

[17:10:07]

Dagmar:

Ach nevermind. I need a smoke. I should have seen those were just stale links in the file

[17:10:12]

opello:

or cacti, or dozens of other things :)

[17:10:34]

Dagmar:

Nah the cacti stuff I was lookin' at earlier is definitely a bot thing

[17:11:06]

Dagmar:

I've been ignoring it until this morning because I didn't realize we have Cacti running somewhere at the *office*

[17:11:13]

Dagmar:

So that's one more thing for me to keep my eye on

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Gurft:

w00t just got email that my new remote is ready to pickup :) Only ahve to drive 45 minutes each way to get it...

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daviey:

Gurft, what remote?

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Gurft:

Snapstream Firefly

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Gurft:

it's RF, which will work better realizing then I can use mythmusic in any room of the house (Hey, I got a small house)

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Gurft:

According to a few folks in the fedora forums, runs using the atiusb driver in lirc BEAUTIFULLY

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Gurft:

so I"ll have a full report at 11

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juski:

time for hometimeski

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juski:

I'll fick tuck out of tuckfard tomorrow

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Gurft:

I'm off to magic remote land to get my new remote... WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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laga:

hope he manages to come bacxk.

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laga:

back*

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onewheelskyward:

hehe

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onewheelskyward:

The only thing that makes me that happy anymore is that first cup of coffee in the morning.

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Dagmar:

onewheelskyward: I used to feel that way, and then I found the ephemeral joy of listening to the plaintive cries of the clueless.

[18:11:12]

onewheelskyward:

haha...that explains your presence here. :)

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** J-e-f-f-A|work thinks that explains the presence of alot of us here... ;-) **

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praet:

is msp3400 just for radio or does it work for tuner in audio as well

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

praet: er... what's the mps3400 ?

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onewheelskyward:

IT's the audio chip on the hauppauge cards, for one.

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onewheelskyward:

I think it works for audio input too, but I don't know that for sure.

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Dagmar:

It's the FM tuner chip

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Dagmar:

It is used for broadcast audio (TV and radio) basically

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

praet: Well, just realize that you can't use it as both a Video tuner and an Audio Tuner (FM) at the same time... (I don't use my PVR tuners for FM, so that's all I can provide...)

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Dagmar:

Stereo audio on broadcast TV is broadcast the same way FM radio (music/talk/etc) works, just on different spectrum

[18:21:22]

Dagmar:

Yeah, for the reasons Jeff cites, trying to use a PVR card as a radio tuner isn't much worth the trouble right now

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praet:

well i am trying to eliminate reasons for audio not working in tv captures

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akifdino:

hello

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praet:

mplayer /dev/video0 has perfect video, no audio

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praet:

im still trying to figure out what could be missing. I checked the pvr250 firmware and its all there

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

praet: What is your source? Antenna/Cable TV or s-video, or ?

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akifdino:

i've some entries in the music section of mythweb which do not occure in mythmusic, does anyone know where i could look to fix this problem?

[18:26:57]

Milosch:

possibly one of the modules is not available for audio

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

praet: And are you sure it's not the *playback* that's not working? Do you get other sounds from your computer?

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juski:

all fixed damnit

[18:28:05]

Milosch:

juski: good deal

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juski:

user juski can no longer sudo or su

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Milosch:

man, how are they getting that far

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

juski: Was it one of those "We took a hit, but I plugged it back in" bits? ;-) (That's what the comm manager used to say here...)

[18:29:06]

juski:

and I'm gonna try & remember to lock my work PC when I'm not at it

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GreyFoxx:

juski: That is something I got in the habit of years ago. My coworkers were notorious for fscking with your machine if you left it unlocked

[18:30:15]

Dagmar:

I send out mails telling everyone how much I love them.

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Milosch:

and deleting their jpeg

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praet:

J-e-f-f-A|work: the source is Cable in (tuner0) and playback (aplay sound) works

[18:31:03]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

juski, GreyFoxx: Yeah... Back in '96 I had a guy that not only used my Win95 desktop box, but would muck with the wallpaper and colors... Every day I came in it was different... So I broke the 'lan' policy and put a bios password on... That stopped him...

[18:31:07]

juski:

oo this is new. Virgin Media have a 'change password' page

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juski:

done

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Dagmar:

Ouch that's lame.

[18:32:07]

juski:

I'd change my ISP but for the fact I love cable broadband

[18:32:15]

Dagmar:

I only screw with people who are supposed to secure their desktops, even if I have my "unlock yer schtuph CD" on me

[18:32:32]

juski:

everybody I know who has ADSL says it sucks frequently

[18:32:52]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

juski: FiOS!!! ;-) (Well, here in the US anyways!)

[18:33:13]

juski:

now, leave my fucking themes alone, whoever you are (I have my suspicions)

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praet:

when i v4l2-ctl --all i have 'Audio input : 0 (Tuner 1)' the same as video input

[18:33:51]

juski:

other than that it was a good day today

[18:33:58]

|Torg|:

DSL depends greatly on where you are and how you are connected, same is true for cable modems

[18:34:30]

juski:

I pissed all over the 1U JBOD plans after finding out the temp. increase inside the box isn't sustainable for a max. operating temp of 40'C

[18:34:31]

praet:

is there a tool to check a mpeg stream for audio?

[18:34:39]

juski:

ffmpeg -i filename

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Milosch:

best cable modem i ever had was when i was next door to the cable company, except for some fsckwit parked on my ip address

[18:34:45]

praet:

k

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juski:

praet: dmesg would tell you if the firmware loaded properly

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

praet: It may be some funky pci issue — if so, try moving it to another pci slot (even if it means swapping slots with another card)

[18:35:54]

|Torg|:

the cable modem I got rid of worked great, if all I wanted to do was access Comcasts stuff

[18:35:55]

juski:

if there's just a blank audio stream in test recordings it might just be you've selected the wrong card type (maybe wrong vid. standard) or the autodetection didn't work

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|Torg|:

past that they oversubscibed the hell out of the lines

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Milosch:

we had a commercial T1 here in town once, and i later discovered that the pipe out of town was, er, 4 T1s

[18:36:41]

praet:

hrmm.. ffmpeg says libavcodec.so.51 has undefined symbol 'dlclose'

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juski:

maybe I need to get off my ass & agree to become the official theme maintainer so I can get blootube into the official list

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|Torg|:

cable and dsl dont even come close to a T1

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Milosch:

?

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|Torg|:

people think bandwidth, bandwidth, bandwith

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|Torg|:

they forget about latency, latency, latency

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juski:

|Torg|: don't forget contention ;)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

|Torg|: I had cumcast for 7 years — it was blazing fast the first year and a half, then got worse & worse... Every year or two it would get better for 3 months, but then back down to crap... So when FiOS became available, I jumped... (I would have gone to DSL, but I didn't have an analog phone line to do so...)

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|Torg|:

yea that too juski

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Milosch:

yes, but clearly they had more than 4 customers in the 5th largest city in the US...

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juski:

when it's T1 it's not shared with anybody I bet

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|Torg|:

the T1 is also good for getting your analog phone fixed at 3AM on Sunday :)

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Milosch:

with commercial data T1 accounts...

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|Torg|:

mine is self enginnerd tho

[18:38:10]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

|Torg|: That's not true... my comcast link was 1.5Mb down... which is T1 speed...

[18:38:14]

|Torg|:

its a T1 to daul T3's

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|Torg|:

thats connected to level3s backbone

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juski:

I once read that the GPO in the UK (before BT) had a grand plan to bring fibre to every house in the country

[18:38:48]

juski:

.. but it got kyboshed by the government :(

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|Torg|:

J-e-f-f-A my intent was to imcily say its not all about bandwidth

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onewheelskyward:

You don't need an analog phone line for DSL anymore. Speakeasy, at least, can get around that problem.

[18:38:54]

Milosch:

wheatiebits?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

juski: Sounds like Verizon here in the us... ;-)

[18:39:13]

juski:

my ISP is currently trialling 100Mbit

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

onewheelskyward: Well, 3 years ago you had to have analog phone service to get DSL at my house...

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|Torg|:

onewheelskyward first that depends on what DSL you are taling about, if its ADSL or RADSL you need a copper pair line, ala POTS. Dialtone not withstanding

[18:39:43]

juski:

we could do some naughty stuff with that if the upload pipe is any good ;)

[18:39:49]

akifdino:

is there a way to delete all the mp3 files in mythmusic database?

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juski:

thinking along the lines of distributed mythtv ;)

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|Torg|:

and if you want to be technical my T1 is actualy a SDSL line the only copper on it is from my house to the CEV

[18:40:16]

onewheelskyward:

|Torg|: True — you do still need the copper. But you don't necessarily have to subscribe to any phone service.

[18:40:29]

|Torg|:

I nver said you had to

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GreyFoxx:

juski: I noticed the other day some of our fibre customers have distributed mythboxes setup :)

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juski:

GreyFoxx: hahaha

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

GreyFoxx: As in content?

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Milosch:

or maybe you didn't ;)

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GreyFoxx:

I was doing some traffic analysis to try and find a problem and found place that as 2 connections (2 seperate oiffices) passing mythprotocol stuff around. They seem to have a mythbox in one location and are talking to it from the other where they must have a frontend :)

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GreyFoxx:

J-e-f-f-A: They have a backend in one location and a frontend in another

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GreyFoxx:

both locations have 100M fibre to us

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|Torg|:

traffic analasis, yea right :P

[18:42:08]

praet:

akifdino: open the db and run a sql script to delete those records

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Milosch:

an zero encryption, etc.. nice

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akifdino:

praet: which sql scrpt?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

GreyFoxx: Wow, must be a pretty good pipe... yeah... 100m fibre would do it!

[18:42:33]

GreyFoxx:

|torg| I don't care what porn people surf :) I only look when there is a problem :)

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|Torg|:

hell some of my first searches on the Internet about mythweb borght up about 100 or so optn mythweb machines

[18:42:55]

|Torg|:

I dont think security is actaly even a clue to most users

[18:43:11]

fryfrog:

ahah

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GreyFoxx:

J-e-f-f-A: I have a mythbox at my office and I often stream it to my house (other end of a cable modem)

[18:43:23]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

|Torg|: reminds me of finding 'open' wireless connections... ;-)

[18:43:32]

GreyFoxx:

though, mine passed over an opevpntunnel

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|Torg|:

sit in my back yard there are 4 open connections

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|Torg|:

hell ive thought of dropping my DSL and using thier open conneciton instead

[18:43:51]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

GreyFoxx: I stream from home to work, or the web periodically... but with mythstreamtv, not mythfrontend...

[18:44:12]

praet:

akifdino: it may work if you go to mythmusic and hit "scan for music"

[18:44:20]

praet:

i am not sure if it will update the db

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akifdino:

praet: i did this already, it didin't help

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GreyFoxx:

J-e-f-f-A: We have a fibre connection to my cable ISP, and I have 10Mbit service on my cable modem. I can hit the full 10mbit back to the office so I have all of my shares and such mounted to my boxes at home and often stream directl from mythbackend here

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

GreyFoxx: Wow... 10mb upload? What do you pay for that? With FiOS, I get 15Mbps down, 2Mbps up – for $44.95/month...

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** jams prepares to start work on the last 4 solaris boxes that need DST patches **

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GreyFoxx:

No, 10mbit download at the house, 1.5mbit upload. But my office has gigabit fibre to my ISP, so pulling shows from the office to home is not a problem

[18:46:52]

GreyFoxx:

I pay (well, my office pays) 39.95 CDN per month for 10mbit/1.5mbit

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daviey:

whats that in proper money?

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|Torg|:

about 20 US and 40 UKP

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daviey:

|Torg|, sure?

[18:48:02]

|Torg|:

err 10 UKP

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|Torg|:

math the wrong way :)

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daviey:

hehe

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GreyFoxx:

39.95 CAD

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GreyFoxx:

=

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GreyFoxx:

33.8552 USD

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|Torg|:

I can look it up daviey, a candain dolar is about 75 cents to teh us dollar, may be up to 80 cents now

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|Torg|:

the brithch pound is about 2x a us dolar

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.xe.com/ucc/ is your friend :)

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daviey:

I don't care that much........ thanks anyway

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daviey:

GreyFoxx, actually i just used xe ;)

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|Torg|:

ahh its up to 85 cents now

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XPertKnobTwiddlr:

GlemSom: if you do "modinfo bttv" it will show you all module options..... look for card_nr ... or i think it's called video_nr

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juski:

GlemSom: time to become acquainted with either udev rules or module blacklisting. the latter is easier but er.. frowned upon

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XPertKnobTwiddlr:

GlemSom: you will want to pass video_nr=0 to force that card to be video0

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daviey:

|Torg|, xe are a little keen mind – it's the *best* rate you can expect

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XPertKnobTwiddlr:

juski: neither... video_nr is easier and better

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|Torg|:

I just let amex convert them, I know its a teriibly rate but hey there expences and its not like I really care much :)

[18:51:14]

|Torg|:

I still have about 100 GBP and about 50 CDN

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|Torg|:

I just keep them for the next time I go

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GreyFoxx:

I get my bill, I send it to work, they pay it so I never really see it

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** dustybin just watched domestic disturbance via mythtv **

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|Torg|:

I do the same GreyFoxx I see it online, I say "this is an expence" and thye pay it

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** GreyFoxx hasn't had to pay for his own broadand internet since '98 **

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|Torg|:

I jsuty wish I could book my own airfare

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GlemSom:

does udev listen to /etc/modules.conf at all? Or do I have to write a udev rule? (since both cards are detected by udev)

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XPertKnobTwiddlr:

GlemSom: use the video_nr module parameter — thats the best way

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juski:

I'd not even heard of the video_nr module thing

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juski:

I still suspect udev is the least hackish way to accomplish fixed nodes

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XPertKnobTwiddlr:

juski: do "modinfo {any v4l module}" and you will see it

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GlemSom:

btw – for some reason I cannot change channels on my bttv cards... Whenever I try that, it just goes dead... Not in like a complete lock... But it won't tune in

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XPertKnobTwiddlr:

imho, if the module give an option to specify which dev minor to use, that is the cleanest solution

[18:55:58]

XPertKnobTwiddlr:

you can specify video_nr , vbi_nr , and radio_nr

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XPertKnobTwiddlr:

too bad the dvb modules dont give the same option

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praet:

i just realized that alsa-kmdl was not installed, does that affect the audio in capturing (tuner)

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juski:

praet: ivtv audio has FA to do with alsa

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juski:

XPertKnobTwiddlr: ahh, if it's not with the DVB modules, it's why I didn't know about it ;)

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XPertKnobTwiddlr:

DVB <> V4L

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XPertKnobTwiddlr:

so that explains it

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XPertKnobTwiddlr:

however, juski, if you have a cx88-dvb device, you have control of the v4l device minor (through cx8800) but not of the dvb device minor

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juski:

my dvb-t tuners don't even have video inputs :)

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XPertKnobTwiddlr:

nice

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XPertKnobTwiddlr:

:-)

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juski:

why would I want sucky software encodering? ;)

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|Torg|:

I didnt do any of that for my dvb-s cards

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|Torg|:

I just plugged them in and they worked

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juski:

I was a noob but I had a kernel to patch

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juski:

took me a while to realise what the error "l is not a number" meant

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XPertKnobTwiddlr:

juski: that assumes that you record everything.... raw video is handy if your using tvtime or somthing to watch live video that is NOT in HD, and you dont plan on recording it, nor do you want to use your processor to decode the mpeg stream

[19:01:13]

juski:

patch -p1 < somefile.patch

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

I<>1 ;-)

[19:01:28]

juski:

XPertKnobTwiddlr: nah, livetv sucks end of story

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|Torg|:

patch -p0 -F99 < some.diff

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XPertKnobTwiddlr:

juski: agreed... but some people like to do sucky things

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v xris

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juski:

oh god mr Jochen is on about the whole mux recording thing again :(

[19:03:40]

|Torg|:

does anyone here have more then 4 dvb cards?

[19:03:57]

laga:

juski: he doesn't give up, that's why we love him

[19:04:18]

juski:

|Torg|: seen somebody with 8 or 9 tuners a while back

[19:04:33]

juski:

some editing of udev rules is needed, and some patching of mythtv

[19:04:43]

|Torg|:

Im just wondering what would happen if I put in a 5th card

[19:04:51]

|Torg|:

right now it looks like it will run out of minors

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laga:

it won't work.

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|Torg|:

I dotn use udev, im hardcore I makenod all of them :)

[19:05:16]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

|Torg| : ATM I've got 3 analog tuners and 1 HD3000 — my new system will have the same plus an HD5500 and two HVR-950's (If I can get them all to play nice together...)

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laga:

there's some define that needs to be changed afaik

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juski:

on an older kernel I had, it made 4 nodes for only one card

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|Torg|:

so you know in what laga?

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|Torg|:

ill assume its in the major 212 for dvb

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janneg:

|Torg|: yes, I used up to seven for tesing purposes. the current define for max dvb device is 8

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janneg:

juski: that was probably a static /dev

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|Torg|:

so what do I use for the minors for the 5th and 6th?

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janneg:

yes

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|Torg|:

so how do you defeine them?

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|Torg|:

umm you cant have a minor past 255

[19:09:27]

laga:

oops, i thought it was 4 :)

[19:09:49]

janneg:

|Torg|: you can

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juski:

er... wth? the channel suddenly turned to modem noise ;)

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|Torg|:

hmm I thought it stopped :)

[19:10:20]

** juski goes off to find a nice book on how linux hardware thingies work **

[19:10:30]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

juski: Is it an 'emergency broadcast test'? We get those in the US periodically...

[19:10:40]

|Torg|:

janneg can you tar up the nodes or pastebin them for me, i make them by ahnd

[19:11:29]

juski:

J-e-f-f-A|work: I meant it went wheeee way over my head.. in an intruiging way

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|Torg|:

its easy juski go look in /dev/devices, that lists the modules major. They are reserved so they shoulnt differ form box to box

[19:11:35]

|Torg|:

for example 212 is dvb

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janneg:

|Torg|: the adapter0 numbers + 256

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|Torg|:

so mknod name c 212 minor

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|Torg|:

c is for charactor device

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|Torg|:

janneg is gona mek me script it :P

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juski:

ahhh

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juski:

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juski:

you know the kind of people who don't have a mortal fear of learning new things? are they freaks? ;)

[19:12:51]

janneg:

each adapter has 64 minor numbers

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|Torg|:

I didnt know they could go past that

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juski:

hahaha no /dev/devices. ubunut uses udev exclusively

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GlemSom:

When I'm trying to change channel in mythtv with my hauppauge bttv card – it just sits there for about 10 sec. and goes back to the menu... I see this in my frontend log:http://pastebin.ca/386574

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janneg:

|Torg|: it changed 1 or 2 years ago

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juski:

GlemSom: log from the backend might be more useful

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Torg:

well im a Solaris guy, and I havnt actly been an admin for about 6 years

[19:15:48]

Torg:

so I guess im just out of date :)

[19:17:05]

juski:

so does that mean there's an actual limitation to how many tuners of one type you can have?

[19:17:25]

Torg:

usuauly its limited by minor

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Torg:

that and some artifical limit in the driver

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fryfrog:

I've had 4 PVR250s :)

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juski:

well my dvb tuners – my 2nd card is 64+ 1st card's minor

[19:17:56]

Torg:

there are some devices that dont play with others right too, especialy two of teh sme kind

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fryfrog:

you'd *probably* run out of slots before driver limits?

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Torg:

so sometimes there is a phisical bus limitation as well

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juski:

fryfrog: not in the case of USB devices

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fryfrog:

ah, true

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fryfrog:

or firewire too possibly?

[19:18:24]

juski:

aye

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juski:

so what are the minor numbers limited to?

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Torg:

yes juski that makes sence, each drive address is 64,0 – 63 for the first, 64–128 for the second and so on

[19:19:08]

juski:

are they 16-bit ?

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juski:

;)

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GlemSom:

juski, Basecly all I see there is: open: Invalid argument and Starting up as the master server.

[19:19:15]

janneg:

the DVB subsystem has an artificial limit of 8 devices

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Torg:

they *SHOULD be addressable, in theory to 32 bit

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Torg:

64 if your using a 64 bit OS

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juski:

ah

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Torg:

and like janneg said, there is an artifical limit of 8 on the dvb driver

[19:20:20]

juski:

janneg: yeah but isn't that easily worked around?

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juski:

i.e. just hack it

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Torg:

id assume you fgind the limit, change it higher and recompile

[19:20:39]

Torg:

unless its there fro a reason

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juski:

more than likely just a reason of "jesus how many tuners would one guy WANT anyway?"

[19:21:32]

Torg:

2 ATSC, 2 Sat, and maybe 2 QAM

[19:21:41]

janneg:

Torg: no, 32 bit for major and minor number

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Can you say "Slave backends?"

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dustybin:

bad news for internet broadcasters:

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Torg:

right now Im debating building a sale backend

[19:21:44]

dustybin:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6430489.stm

[19:21:56]

juski:

dustybin: yeah it's stupid

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janneg:

12bit for the major, 20 for the minor number

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Torg:

J-e-f-f-A can you say "I dont have any more x86 boxes and would hav to build one from scratch :P"

[19:22:35]

Torg:

janneg I did say in theory :)

[19:22:36]

juski:

but licencing online radio has always been stupid in the UK – it's cheaper to have a 'real' radio licence – and you can still 'cast online anyway

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XPertKnobTwiddlr:

J-e-f-f-A|work: if you manage to get the hvr950 to play nice with any other device, could you post an email about it to linux-dvb ?

[19:23:06]

janneg:

juski: yes, there is #define MAX_DEVICES 8 and it can be increased

[19:23:10]

XPertKnobTwiddlr:

with the current code, it wont play nice with anything

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dustybin:

juski: i once looked into this and the people who deal with small licensing were still in talks with a company in america, swcast

[19:23:28]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Torg: You mean you don't have a basement full of PIII's like I do? ;-)

[19:23:32]

juski:

there's a limit hard-coded into mythtv too, fyi

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juski:

so I heard, anyway :)

[19:24:09]

juski:

dustybin: I used to DJ on an online station

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juski:

I gave up when they stopped paying me

[19:24:41]

janneg:

juski: yes, it matches the driver limit. but can be changed too

[19:24:45]

Torg:

no J-e-f-f-A my wife made be get rid of the old stuff

[19:25:04]

dustybin:

juski: this message has remained like this for AGES

[19:25:06]

dustybin:

http://www.swcast.net/licensing-uk/

[19:25:59]

XPertKnobTwiddlr:

J-e-f-f-A|work: i know the developer of that driver.... i can get him in here for you

[19:26:16]

juski:

pay per listener.. I mean.. who's gonna record a crappy mp3 stream & burn cds of it, sell them & rip off the record companies? ;)

[19:26:23]

dustybin:

even timmy mallet DJ's on ozone 0_o

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XPertKnobTwiddlr:

he's telling me now that it isnt going to work for you, unless you make some changes to the code

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juski:

dustybin: aye he was

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juski:

I used to work from home, sent 2 cds in every week

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dustybin:

mallets mallet, those were the days..

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juski:

handy having broadcast quality gear at home ;)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

XPertKnobTwiddlr: Bummer... I guess I'll abandon the 950 idea and just use the HD-3000 and HD-5500.

[19:27:31]

XPertKnobTwiddlr:

i'll see if he has time to talk here, brb

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

XPertKnobTwiddlr: I suppose I could always create a 'slave' backend out of an old laptop with the two 950's on it...

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juski:

bbl – time to eat

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XPertKnobTwiddlr:

XPertKnobTwiddlr: im here

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dustybin:

lol timmy mallet was a wrongen

[19:28:14]

mkrufky:

so am i :-)

[19:28:18]

dustybin:

hehehhe

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

XPertKnobTwiddlr: Talking to yourself ?

[19:28:25]

mkrufky:

who had the question about hvr950?

[19:28:33]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

mkrufky: me... ;-)

[19:28:35]

XPertKnobTwiddlr:

i hit x<tab> by accident

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

mkrufky: So my two new HVR-950's won't play nice with my HD-5500 and HD-3000 atm?

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Torg:

its ok if you talk to yourself, just as long as you dont answer too :)

[19:29:12]

XPertKnobTwiddlr:

:-)

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mkrufky:

oh, this is bad news

[19:29:36]

mkrufky:

the hvr 950's require the xc3028-tuner module

[19:29:48]

mkrufky:

but the xc3028-tuner module breaks all other non-xceive tuners

[19:30:11]

mkrufky:

it is extremely inconvenient for the users :-(

[19:30:24]

mkrufky:

and i wanted to fix it, but got resistance from the xc3028-tuner module's author

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

mkrufky: So would my other idea work (before you jumped in...) Use the HD-5500 and HD-3000 in the 'real' backend, and build a laptop as a slave backend for the HVR-950's?

[19:30:55]

mkrufky:

yes, that should work fine

[19:31:09]

mkrufky:

but the hvr950 will require the out-of-tree driver from linuxtv.org

[19:31:43]

mkrufky:

.... i thinbk you should clone the tree quickly though... the author of the xc3028-tuner driver is threatening to delete his tree, along with all the contributions in it :-(

[19:31:45]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

I've got a PIII 650MHz laptop that would work for that then... And would not be as much to run (electrically) as a 2nd system...)

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XPertKnobTwiddlr:

mkrufky: i have to go... thanks for coming, we'll talk later

[19:32:39]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

mkrufky: Humm... I'll see what I can do when I get home later tonight then. Out of curiosity, why is that author being so agressive?

[19:32:49]

mkrufky:

ok, by xptwidd

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

XPertKnobTwiddlr: Thanks...

[19:33:01]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

oops, too late...

[19:33:09]

mkrufky:

i'll tell him you thanked him

[19:33:36]

mkrufky:

hmm, the author is not happy with his subsystem core change proposals being nacked

[19:33:40]

mkrufky:

he says "all or nothing"

[19:34:03]

mkrufky:

thats not really fair to do to the users

[19:34:05]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

mkrufky: Well, thanks for jumping over here. Now I know it wasn't anything that I was screwing up... (I'm still pretty new to the whole linux world...)

[19:34:08]

mkrufky:

but i cant controll him

[19:34:56]

mkrufky:

you can use this to support the hvr950: http://linuxtv.org/hg/~mkrufky/hvr950

[19:35:10]

mkrufky:

but just be aware that it will breaks all other v4l devices

[19:35:45]

Torg:

whats a hvr950?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

mkrufky: Cool. Thanks. I'll use that on a laptop as a slave backend.

[19:35:58]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Torg: it's a USB2 HD tuner.

[19:36:24]

Torg:

ATSC, QPSK, 8PSK, QAM?

[19:36:47]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Torg: Just ATSC apparently...

[19:36:56]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

(And anlog TV)

[19:37:34]

Torg:

ATSC/NTSC and DVB-T/PAL

[19:37:40]

Torg:

there seems to be differnt models

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

mkrufky: A PIII 650 laptop shouldbe fine for just recording from two HVR-950's, right?

[19:38:14]

laga:

does that laptop have USB 2?

[19:38:30]

onewheelskyward:

Probably not. Unless it's an addon.

[19:38:41]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

I've got a USB2 PCMCIA card.. (Oh yeah, hopefully it's supported in Linux!)

[19:38:59]

Torg:

its all about the chips :)

[19:39:06]

onewheelskyward:

What kind of data transfer can you get from a PCMCIA bus?

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praet:

does ntsc_mythtv_intro.mpg have audio?

[19:39:21]

praet:

in mytharchive

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Torg:

10 or 20 mhz depdns on v1 ort v2 pcmcia

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Torg:

8bit at 10mhz or 16 at 20

[19:46:52]

Torg:

is there a parental control plugin for livetv and recordings?

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Torg:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Parental_Controls looks like a wishlist and I havnt seen anything close to it in the code

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mkrufky:

:-( i was disconnected

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cesman:

welcome back

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mkrufky:

thanks

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mkrufky:

i read channel logs... J-e-f-f-A|work: for recording, that's more than enough

[19:57:05]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

mkrufky: I thought so... after all, my current backend is just a dual PIII 866 w/512mb ram... with 3 SD and 1 HD tuner... ;-) Of course, everthing would be sent over NFS to the master backend too... Humm... Should 10bt be enough for two concurrent HD streams?

[19:57:49]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Or should I just forget about the 950's and get a HD-Homerun???

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praet:

but when i play it mplayer /tmp/test.mpg there is no audio. this is baffling

[19:58:54]

mkrufky:

hd homerun is cheaper in the fact that you wont have to dedicate a laptop to it

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mkrufky:

but i think that what you have will work with the hvr950s

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

mkrufky: Ok, as long as my USB2 card works with Linux, I'll go that route. If it doesn't , it would likely be cheaper to go with an HD-Homerun...

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mkrufky:

also, so you know... this problem is nto specific to hvr950... it's just that hvr950 is the only american product affected

[20:01:14]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

mkrufky: Yeah, I understand. Thanks a ton for your help!

[20:01:20]

mkrufky:

any em288x device has this problem

[20:01:47]

mkrufky:

J-e-f-f-A|work: i am usually found in #v4l and/or #linuxtv if you need help with this in the future

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** J-e-f-f-A|work has to go to a meeting... Back in a bit... **

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mkrufky:

ttyl, J-e-f-f-A|work

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onewheelskyward:

This is odd. Is anyone else getting a temporary failure in name resolution for datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com?

[20:22:50]

opello:

datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com has address 206.18.98.160

[20:22:58]

opello:

working here

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onewheelskyward:

Thanks, I'll host that.

[20:23:15]

onewheelskyward:

oh...looks like my name server is on the fritz.

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opello:

if all else fails, i check 4.2.2.1

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onewheelskyward:

nm, it was due to my reboot of the server yesterday. It likes to wipe out my resolv.conf.

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opello:

aha

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onewheelskyward:

Sometimes, dhcp bites you in the butt.

[20:25:36]

onewheelskyward:

wait...it's a static interface. Oh, joy. :)

[20:26:38]

praet:

i figuerd out why ffmpeg wasnt working.. package x264 was installed from freshrpms while ffmpeg was installed from atrpms

[20:28:18]

W6SN:

hrm, that's what i'm looking at

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W6SN:

master backend, with slaves/frontends

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dustybin:

oh noo

[20:29:04]

dustybin:

something bad has happened, very bad

[20:29:18]

dustybin:

i was copying 5gigs of mame roms over to my mythtv box

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dustybin:

and the whole box crashed

[20:29:45]

dustybin:

ive just rebooted and the screen has come up saying what language to use

[20:29:52]

dustybin:

ohh nooo :-S

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onewheelskyward:

Do you have an install CD in the drive by any chance?

[20:30:09]

dustybin:

no

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onewheelskyward:

Any USB keys?

[20:30:25]

dustybin:

no

[20:30:34]

dustybin:

im going to vnc, there is a error message on gnome

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dustybin:

brb

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dustybin:

xtightvncviewer: ConnectToTcpAddr: connect: Connection refused

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dustybin:

oh noooo :-S i cant read text on my tv

[20:31:37]

dustybin:

ssh doesnt work either

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dustybin:

:-S :-S

[20:31:53]

onewheelskyward:

Oh that's not good at all.

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onewheelskyward:

Do you have console access?

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praet:

i hate not being able to read text on tv

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dustybin:

this doesnt look good at all..

[20:33:07]

dustybin:

maybe i used up all the disc space for the main OS

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dustybin:

yep i have

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dustybin:

i see a message saying 'too full'

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onewheelskyward:

Whoopsie.

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dustybin:

shit this is not good

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clop:

hi, i just got an HDHomeRun in addition to my PVR-350. I think I have it all set up okay (i was able to record a show that looked "high def"), but I'm wondering how to switch when i'm watching live tv from one card to the next?

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kormoc:

check the keys.txt

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clop:

hrmn, where should that file live?

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dustybin:

i managed to get in via root

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cesman:

clop: 'Y' would you want to? ;)

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dustybin:

and deleted the ROMS

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dustybin:

folder

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** dustybin reboots **

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** dustybin thinks positively and laughs mechanically **

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clop:

cesman, hey that did it!

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clop:

thanks!

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dustybin:

yes its back :) thank you god

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dustybin:

right i need to set myself a challenge for tonight

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** dustybin thinks **

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juski:

dustybin: get all new users to RTFM

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dustybin:

heheh

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onewheelskyward:

Are you going to play all 12,000 MAME roms in one sitting?

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juski:

you set you wanted a challenge!

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juski:

*said

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dustybin:

thats an idea, i might print out manuals and documents and file them in my black folder

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juski:

wtf has 12,000 MAME roms in their attic like?

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dustybin:

heh

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onewheelskyward:

I think I might. I also have at least a few thousand NES roms.

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anykey_:

yeah, making the users to RTFM is much better :)

[20:42:43]

dustybin:

i couldnt print out the mythtv manual because i couldnt find a PDF anywhere of it, only a HTTP version

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laga:

dustybin: afaik there's a pdf in the source tarball

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laga:

and you can print html, too.

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juski:

you can print html?!

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juski:

wow!

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dustybin:

heh u can but that would involve far too much effort going through every single page and pressing print

[20:44:30]

juski:

oh yeah I remember I printed out a gentoo mythtv howto & read it in my lunchbreaks at work for a week

[20:44:45]

anykey_:

hehe

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juski:

I think I must be some kind of freak

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laga:

dustybin: you totally need to take at look at those tarballs. there's everything you need in there, documentation-wise

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anykey_:

I printed out the whole gentoo documentation and read it four times before actually installing it ;-)

[20:45:12]

laga:

juski: don't worry, i've printed "how to ask smart questions" and somne nstx howto

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dustybin:

ok ill get downloading :)

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laga:

dustybin: http://svn.mythtv.org

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laga:

dustybin: you can also browse the source code online

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dustybin:

thanks :)

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juski:

<8 doxygen

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laga:

dustybin: make sure to get the release-0-20-fixes stuff

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dustybin:

i might have a tinker with the mythtv C++ source code and release .30 tonight!

[20:45:59]

laga:

juski: looks like the time clock is working correctly. unbelievable. :)

[20:46:05]

juski:

nah remember the challenge – go for 1.0

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laga:

dustybin: don't forget to promise free support

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onewheelskyward:

You really have to print out the gentoo install docs unless you have another machine handy. It's very manual-intervention-friendly.

[20:46:40]

** laga always has another machine handy when installing $things **

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juski:

onewheelskyward: I used to work from another machine & just paste stuff into an ssh

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dustybin:

heh yeah, v1.0 hasnt even been released of myth yet, i didnt think of that!

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laga:

i mean, i do have to get my IRC fix

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juski:

infact, I still do just paste stuff into putty

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onewheelskyward:

juski: Good idea. I;'ve done enough of them now I can do about 95% of it from memory.

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juski:

as for mythtv 1.0 – it might not have actually happened yet but from my own PoV I think it's past that stage already

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juski:

when you think about how badly a lot of 2.5 software works ;)

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dustybin:

im going to downlaod and print out with all the applications mythtv assoiciates itself with too, like transcoder etc

[20:50:03]

dustybin:

*the manuals

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onewheelskyward:

I would consider everything except the install of mythtv 1.0 worthy.

[20:51:30]

onewheelskyward:

heterogeneous hardware is a PITA.

[20:51:38]

juski:

that isn't mythtv's fault

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dustybin:

i just downloaded the mythtv tarball

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juski:

what would you rather happen? mythtv supporting only a very limited bunch of cards?

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dustybin:

ohh noo all the howtos are .html files :-S

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juski:

myth gets bad press for too much stuff that the developers can't control (like lirc, kernels, alsa...)

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dustybin:

i found the .pdf :)

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onewheelskyward:

No, I rather like the way it's set up. Without that flexibility it would a a lot harder to run, you're correct.

[20:54:24]

onewheelskyward:

It's a very complex application and its target audience is the end consumer. That's a difficult bridge to cross.

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juski:

if I seem rude, it's because I'm an arsehole and I don't care

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dustybin:

Ladies And Gentlemen, i have found: Installing and using MythTV

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onewheelskyward:

hehe

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juski:

onewheelskyward: the end consumer? no way

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juski:

while it's fair to say that in *use* it's simple enough for wives/kids to operate...

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onewheelskyward:

Well, this app is targetted at people who watch TV. That's pretty consumer in my book. GRanted, only enthusiasts can deal with it at present.

[20:56:08]

onewheelskyward:

Yes, true, The front end is pretty intuitive.

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praet:

i tested it on another comp

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juski:

onewheelskyward: TVs are aimed at people who watch TV, yet you wouldn't believe the amount of relatives who have me set up their televisions for them

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juski:

and I swear that LCD telly my brother inlaw got for xmas had more complex scanning procedures than mythtv

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praet:

the wife is gonna kill me if i dont bring the mythbox home fixed

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juski:

praet: so the firmware is ok, since you get an audio stream in the mpeg

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praet:

there is no audio though

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praet:

the wavewform is flat..

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juski:

it's likely something wrong in the card auto-detection, or tuner-autodetection

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juski:

try the ivtvctl or v4l2ctl command to switch audio sources

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praet:

when i v4l2-ctl --all i have 'Audio input : 0 (Tuner 1)' the same as video input >>

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praet:

tried that

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praet:

strange.. this card worked fine in fc1..

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juski:

heh. if it ain't broke.. don't upgrade :)

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juski:

enough handing out simple platitudes.. I need to get my fix

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GreyFoxx:

What exactly are you trying to do? After each show records ad a overlay timestamp ontop of the video or something ?

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praet:

isnt date/time embedded into the filename?

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dverzolla:

GreyFoxx: something like this... overlay timestamp ontop...

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GreyFoxx:

Ontop of the entire video or just a fadein/out at the start ?

[21:09:29]

GreyFoxx:

either way, sure you could do your own custom userjob to run after a record finishes to do that

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dverzolla:

GreyFoxx: entire video...

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GreyFoxx:

but nothing in myth will do it for you

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GreyFoxx:

the userjob would have to call another app

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dverzolla:

GreyFoxx: but a postjob will consume CPU, I really need to do directly, without a postjob.

[21:10:39]

GreyFoxx:

then you will need something else to add the timestamp before it gets to the IVTV card

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dverzolla:

GreyFoxx: yes, I do some experiences with ffmpeg. And work great.

[21:10:46]

GreyFoxx:

something else that adds the overlay

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dverzolla:

GreyFoxx: yes, I will do this...

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dverzolla:

GreyFoxx: A Character Generator...

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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dverzolla:

When I'm wathing with mythtv

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dverzolla:

and

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dverzolla:

A print the channel number, etc... What myth do?

[21:12:14]

GreyFoxx:

I'm not sure what you mean

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harzi:

hm, i am trying to control a stb via irblaster. does somebody know a good "how to"? the one i find are old, describing 0.7 or earlier

[21:13:37]

dverzolla:

GreyFoxx: With mythfrontend...

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dverzolla:

GreyFoxx: I can wath my signal ok?

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GreyFoxx:

Of course you could

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dverzolla:

GreyFoxx: Ok. mythtv is record a video, and after they play this video...

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clop:

hi, i just installed an hd card, if i use "transcoding" will the files be smaller?

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GreyFoxx:

clop, and they will be lower resolution and bitrate, so you loose some of the picture quality you gained with the HD card

[21:15:49]

dverzolla:

GreyFoxx: If I change my channel (for example) an number is printed in my video... how myth do this?

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clop:

sure, i might want to do that for talk-oriented shows like news and stuff i guess

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clop:

does it take a lot of CPU?

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GreyFoxx:

dverzolla: Oh, that is just an overlay on the X server, it is not in the recording itself

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hjohnson:

GreyFoxx: though the compression you could use to transcode could give equivalent quality with a lower bitrate

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hjohnson:

say H.264 compared to MPEG2

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GreyFoxx:

there are lots of coulds and can bes, but myth's internal transcoder doesn't do H264

[21:18:38]

GreyFoxx:

if he's using an external app he has lots more options :)

[21:19:26]

hjohnson:

I need to get myth to start transcoding my simpsons collection

[21:19:34]

GreyFoxx:

heh

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hjohnson:

they're consuming an obscene amount of disk space

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dverzolla:

GreyFoxx: hmmm... really I need a hardware before the IVTV card ...

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clop:

hrmn, i'm recording with the HDHomerun but it seems like the picture isn't being widescreen... i wonder if I need to configure it somehow?

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fdlinux:

hi everyone

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** dustybin prepares to print out the 137 page Mythtv manual **

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fdlinux:

i am running mythtv on fedora core 6 with all upgrades

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fdlinux:

nuvexport gives problems : http://pastebin.ca/386772

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fdlinux:

installed mythtv with yum -y install mythtv-suite

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onewheelskyward:

dustybin: When you're done, can you hold it up to the screen so we can all see it?

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fdlinux:

it used to work

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akifdino:

i would like to delete my music database, which table do i have to delete for it in the database?

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harzi:

what is the best (and unpainfull) way to change channel on a settopbox? I have a irblaster on COM1 and don't need anyy ir-reception, only tx

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laga:

!trout rsdvd

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** MythLogBot slaps rsdvd with a trout on behalf of laga... **

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rsdvd:

thanks for that!

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onewheelskyward:

good lord...that's an old alias. hehe

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laga:

np

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rsdvd:

:-) was that slap for any particular reason?

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onewheelskyward:

harzi: Lirc is designed to perform that operation.

[21:50:04]

laga:

rsdvd: no

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rsdvd:

:-) lol

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dustybin:

harzi: RTMP, LIRC

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rsdvd:

have I missed any great conversation this evening?

[21:50:53]

onewheelskyward:

fdlinux: It looks like your MythTV perl module is missing.

[21:51:28]

onewheelskyward:

fdlinux: Is there a MythTV Perl module package you need to install? I know nuvexport is an external application at the moment.

[21:52:45]

laga:

rsdvd: don't think so

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rsdvd:

:-) do I ever?

[21:53:10]

laga:

heh

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rsdvd:

laga : why the change of name?

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laga:

rsdvd: that's my original nick name. i only use gardengnome because i lost the password for "laga"

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rsdvd:

lol

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dustybin:

right it took me a while to figure out how to install lirc onto debian etch

[21:54:29]

dustybin:

what distro are u using

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harzi:

dustybin: debian etch

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dustybin:

or what version

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dustybin:

ok

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dustybin:

i have the full solution right here

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harzi:

:)

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dustybin:

ill make a .txt file and upload it

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rsdvd:

right – seeing as there is no conversation – I am off to watch a film – bfn

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fdlinux:

what kind of perl module ?

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harzi:

dustybin: many thanks in advance

[22:01:10]

dustybin:

ok no problem

[22:01:26]

dustybin:

it took me hours n hours n hours to figure out how to get LIRC working on Etch

[22:01:33]

dustybin:

and heres exactly how i got it working:

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dustybin:

http://pandora.ispeeds.net/~dustybin/howtoLIRC

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onewheelskyward:

fdlinux: The MythTV.pm file your paste indicated as missing — I'm not sure what it does, but it looks like nuvexport requires it. That's why it isn't working.

[22:02:13]

fdlinux:

ok , but where can i find it

[22:03:03]

onewheelskyward:

fdlinux: That I don't know. You could try starting here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Nuvexport

[22:03:21]

onewheelskyward:

fdlinux: I'd say try downloading the source package and extract that module, and put it in perl's site lib.

[22:03:28]

onewheelskyward:

fdlinux: Or just install it manually.

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jams:

fdlinux- did you compile mythtv yourself?

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jams:

pretty sure that module comes from compiling mythtv with the perl bindings option enabled.

[22:06:43]

harzi:

dustybin: "RTFM!"? not very helpfull

[22:06:52]

dustybin:

:p

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dustybin:

my notes are a mess but ill upload them now

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juski:

beer-serving robot! http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/play . . . &nbram=1

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juski:

ouch. scary URL

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onewheelskyward:

ugh...and it's a video.

[22:08:17]

onewheelskyward:

Should I choose windows media or real player for my Firefox linux browser? :)

[22:08:46]

juski:

haha

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juski:

never mind

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jduggan:

juski: i like your crazy kid edit :)

[22:09:44]

juski:

boredom can do things to my tiny little mind

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dustybin:

harzi: http://pandora.ispeeds.net/~dustybin/howtoLIRC

[22:09:57]

dustybin:

the notes are not in any particular order but the solution is there

[22:10:12]

juski:

ooo another generic "I made this" howto. just what the world needs

[22:10:18]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

juski: Yeah, your crazy kid edit is great...

[22:10:31]

dustybin:

juski: that is beyond generic..

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juski:

oh it's for umbongo

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harzi:

dustybin: oh, many thanks... i think it will be sufficient

[22:11:00]

dustybin:

k

[22:11:13]

juski:

now it computes

[22:11:17]

juski:

:)

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juski:

I gave up on umbongo's lirc packages & just built it myself

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juski:

less messy

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dustybin:

u compile lirc yourself?

[22:12:16]

juski:

yeah why not?

[22:12:37]

dustybin:

i kind of understand why

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dustybin:

the compile will fit your machine specs

[22:12:56]

juski:

download kernel headers & source, download lirc source, configure it, make... ta-da

[22:13:18]

onewheelskyward:

And it just works. (tm)

[22:13:21]

dustybin:

when i redo my box ill give it a go

[22:13:49]

juski:

I tried to follow a howto for the module-assistant method & to be honest I got woefully lost

[22:14:07]

praet:

is sendmail a required system service

[22:14:17]

juski:

you screw up one little thing the 1st time & it fucks it up for every other attempt

[22:14:28]

praet:

will it save cycles to not have it run all the time

[22:14:37]

dustybin:

ill remember that for next time :)

[22:14:50]

fysa:

196G 8281_20070306000600.mpg

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fysa:

yikes!

[22:15:04]

dustybin:

lol what is it?

[22:15:06]

juski:

dustybin: prolly the same reason I couldn't get mediaportal to work aswell

[22:15:20]

praet:

juski: what that theme you created?

[22:15:30]

juski:

dustybin: obviously a big recording from channel 8281

[22:15:35]

dustybin:

juski: if u like compiling stuff yourself are u a full on gentoo user then?

[22:15:37]

juski:

praet: which one?

[22:15:41]

dustybin:

heeheheh

[22:15:53]

praet:

bloo i think

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juski:

dustybin: no, just a user who likes to know wtf is going on

[22:16:08]

fdlinux:

now i get this : http://pastebin.ca/386822

[22:16:28]

juski:

praet: projectgrayhem, projectgrayhem-wide, blootube, blootube-wide, blootube-osd, blootubelite-wide and more recently.. neon-wide

[22:16:41]

praet:

blootube.. thats the one

[22:16:47]

praet:

latest versions?

[22:16:55]

juski:

from my website

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fysa:

it's just random TV.

[22:17:05]

juski:

no idea when I last updated them

[22:17:05]

dustybin:

juski whats the link to your site

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praet:

er

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juski:

www.$mynick.co.uk

[22:17:16]

praet:

what dustybin sais

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praet:

k

[22:17:38]

fysa:

wow. no wonder I've had a mythcommflag process going nuts.

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praet:

i like blootube's program guide

[22:18:33]

praet:

juski: youve got to restore neon-wide

[22:18:36]

juski:

I always tend to prefer my most recent theme, hating the others

[22:18:47]

juski:

restore? the beta is there, crazy kid

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dustybin:

guy called gerald, voodoo ray :) good tune!

[22:19:14]

fdlinux:

anyone know what to do now :( ?

[22:19:46]

juski:

fdlinux: use an older version of nuvexport

[22:20:00]

juski:

and don't run it as root!

[22:20:40]

praet:

hmm.. cant find it. looks like your site is missing a page.. there is an entry in the news, download is there in directory, but no info page

[22:20:47]

** dustybin downloads 4:3 blootube **

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** praet downloads 4:3 blootube **

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praet:

dont forget the osd

[22:21:26]

Torg:

16:9

[22:21:27]

** dustybin downloads 4:3 blootube OSD **

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praet:

juski: sorry to say this, but the neon-wide also has the wrong preview.jpg

[22:23:45]

akifdino:

is there a software which will manage mp3 files through a webinterface? and maybe also streaming?

[22:25:21]

harzi:

akifdino: slimserver

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dustybin:

excellent stuff !

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laga:

doesn't mythweb do that?

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dustybin:

well done juski! that theme makes a hell of a difference

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dustybin:

my mythtv now looks modern!

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dustybin:

that OSD is coooooooooooooooooooooool

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fdlinux:

ok , got it working :)

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fdlinux:

thx everyone

[22:34:49]

vorratt:

I've got a Hauppauge PVR 150 card. The automatic channel detection doesn't seem to see the composite inputs. I want to play my Gamecube (yeah, yeah), and I need those inputs to work for that. Am I missing something obvious?

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jduggan:

vorratt: it useless for gamecube...

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jduggan:

vorratt: video is buffered

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harzi:

vorratt: you will have 2 sec delay or something

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vorratt:

regardless

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vorratt:

gamecube has two outputs

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juski:

praet: it's a *beta*

[22:37:35]

vorratt:

at any rate, how do I get composite to work?

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juski:

huh? the neon-wide page is still borked

[22:38:22]

jduggan:

yea i dont see no neon-wide page :)

[22:38:34]

juski:

that's better

[22:38:44]

juski:

silly ftp client

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W6SN:

silly juski

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juski:

vorratt: you need to make a new video source, assign a 'dummy' channel to it, and bind that source to the composite input in input connections

[22:39:40]

juski:

!trout W6SN

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** MythLogBot slaps W6SN with a trout on behalf of juski... **

[22:39:48]

laga:

silly trout

[22:39:55]

W6SN:

silly bot.

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vorratt:

how do I bind it?

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W6SN:

i'm frustrated by this

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juski:

vorratt: the same way you set up the tuner & bound it to the 'real' video source

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W6SN:

i can't seem to get the pvr500 to produce anything other than 48000 audio, and my transcoder seems to be retaining it as 48000

[22:40:45]

vorratt:

oic

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W6SN:

so in the nuv i have 48000 mp3, and then when i try to use ffmpeg to make a flv for lightweight streaming

[22:41:02]

W6SN:

it barfs

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juski:

W6SN: shouldnt do

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W6SN:

hwhat shouldn't what?

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GreyFoxx:

I wouldn't be suprised if ffmpeg doesn't understand the customized myth version of the nuv container

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juski:

all my recordings are 48khz audio & they transcode fine using ffmpeg

[22:41:44]

W6SN:

juski: from a .nuv?

[22:41:49]

juski:

of course not

[22:41:51]

W6SN:

or from an.mpeg?

[22:41:53]

W6SN:

see :P

[22:41:56]

W6SN:

differente

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juski:

I'm not a space miser ;)

[22:42:20]

fysa:

I think it's time to manually empty the recordings table.

[22:43:01]

juski:

reminds me I need to set up a daily job to empty out the corrupt programs with silly start dates

[22:43:16]

juski:

..at least til the EIT bug is fixed

[22:43:28]

fysa:

The 196GB recording file was ... Jimmy Kimmel Live. :P

[22:43:46]

fysa:

that I never scheduled. :/

[22:44:16]

juski:

I'll never understand why some folks insist on keeping so much tv

[22:44:23]

W6SN:

GreyFoxx: i just need to get reading the .nuv correctly

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juski:

W6SN: try nuvexport

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Dibblah:

juski: Choice :)

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W6SN:

juski: tv station :)

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fysa:

If I delete all recordings from the frontend, the recordedprogram table should be empty. right?

[22:44:57]

juski:

how much tv is worth watching more than a couple of times?

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W6SN:

juski: i'm the wanker fromt he tv station

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juski:

fysa: in theory

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W6SN:

with 24hrs/day 7days/wk

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juski:

ah so you took our advice & finally got it worky eh

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W6SN:

got what worky? :P

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W6SN:

oh, stop crashing?

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W6SN:

yeah

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juski:

as for the wanker bit...

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W6SN:

i still need to find a way to imprint the tmiestamps :P

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juski:

I'd have used a stronger word, but that's just me :-P

[22:46:14]

W6SN:

hey now

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W6SN:

i'm not a manc...

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juski:

I'm not a manc either

[22:46:39]

W6SN:

i wasn't saying you were a wank :P

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juski:

W6SN: seriously though try nuvexport

[22:47:16]

W6SN:

it uses ffmpeg as well, right?

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kormoc:

it can

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kormoc:

or mencoder

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juski:

yeah but it can (AFAIK) deal with mythtv's native .nuv files properly

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W6SN:

how can it make ffmpeg work with them? :P ffmpeg doesn't like the mp3 data

[22:48:22]

juski:

there's also myth2ipod from www.myth2ipod.com – never tried it myself though

[22:48:37]

W6SN:

i'm going to flv

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kormoc:

W6SN, it uses mythtranscode to convert it from .nuv to raw and pipes that to ffmpeg

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W6SN:

oh

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W6SN:

what is nuvexport written in?

[22:49:08]

kormoc:

or to whatever converer you pick

[22:49:08]

kormoc:

perl

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juski:

perl

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dustybin:

my mythbox is tuner is currently recording 2 things at once and when i try and watch tv it reports just that and says something along the lines of 'if you want to watch a in-progress recording select one from the playback menu'. The only playback menu i have found is inside utilities/setup but i cannot find anything about changing the channel.

[22:49:31]

W6SN:

hm

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W6SN:

ok

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juski:

might aswell update that preview.jpg, thanks to that bit of valuable user feedback

[22:49:51]

kormoc:

dustybin, in the recorded tv section

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dustybin:

aye thanks :)

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juski:

media library > recorded programs

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juski:

or 'watch recordings', eerily enough

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dustybin:

oh yes of course !

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W6SN:

can one use nuvexport as a userjob?

[22:50:40]

juski:

the clue is weak with this one, brothers

[22:50:43]

juski:

W6SN: yes

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W6SN:

cool

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kormoc:

dustybin, the currently recording one tends to be a different color, so you can tell

[22:50:47]

W6SN:

takk

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W6SN:

thanks

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W6SN:

danke :)

[22:50:58]

dustybin:

yay its ok i got it now, thanks people :)

[22:51:13]

juski:

hmm what size is preview.jpg normally I wonder...

[22:51:31]

** laga signs the FSF petition for DRM free music **

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juski:

god you don't touch a project for a few weeks & you forget everything

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W6SN:

"huh?" :)

[22:54:17]

laga:

night guys :)

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onewheelskyward:

afternoon, laga. :)

[22:55:23]

juski:

night laga

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juski:

W6SN: I can't even remember where I got up to in testing neon-wide

[22:56:36]

fysa:

GreyFoxx, you around?

[22:56:57]

juski:

okees uploading a new neon-wide tarball now

[22:57:21]

juski:

suspicious of that filesize though.. doesn't look like one of mine – I mean it's less than 8MB

[22:59:55]

juski:

praet: how does the livetv program guide page look? the one with the video preview?

[23:00:16]

gurft:

It's been a productive afternoon. Ran out and picked up the Snapstream Firefly and *love* it

[23:00:21]

praet:

holdon

[23:00:23]

gurft:

best remote i've ever used.

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gurft:

and it worked right out of the box after I rebuilt lirc with the atiusb driver

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** gurft does happydance **

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juski:

heheheh

[23:01:29]

gurft:

BTW- after recompiling lirc from CVS, my homebrew started working too But I really like the RF on the snapstream.. Means I can control mythmusic from upstairs now :)

[23:01:44]

gurft:

So I guess it's official. Lirc from CVS works with kernel 2.6.20

[23:01:51]

gurft:

at least in my applications ;)

[23:02:01]

juski:

I'm kind of waiting for a nice networked music player that doesn't need a remote

[23:02:23]

gurft:

juski: it's called an ipod.... :-D

[23:02:39]

juski:

the day I get Sky TV installed will be when I buy an ipod

[23:02:47]

gurft:

LOL

[23:02:56]

juski:

coincidentally that's also the day hell has frozen over

[23:03:02]

gurft:

So now everything is done, and BAM UPS shows up with my new HTPC case...

[23:03:14]

gurft:

so tomorrow will be tear everythgn out of old case and into the new one

[23:03:21]

gurft:

now that everything is working of course....

[23:03:29]

juski:

'buy ups' is still on my to-do list

[23:03:40]

kormoc:

mmm... apc...

[23:04:03]

juski:

actually anything that gives me enough uptime to do a proper shutdown will be fine

[23:04:12]

gurft:

you can get little ones here for pretty cheap. I have one with serial out that I stole from work years ago that actually runs a shutdown on the Linux box when the battery is down to 10%

[23:04:49]

gurft:

it weighs as much as my daughter though... power conditioning is nice too

[23:04:53]

kormoc:

gurft, might want to avoid talking about stealing from work in a logged channel

[23:05:19]

juski:

we dont get many power failures here, and touch wood, so far none has caused any filesystem snafus

[23:05:27]

juski:

but all the same...

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praet:

juski: the preview comes up right

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juski:

praet: cool. if you find anything else wrong just drop me a mail. if it's complicated or to do with alignment, grab a screenshot & put that in the email too – helps me fix it quicker

[23:06:41]

praet:

and livetv guide is clean

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praet:

one thing. there is a green line cutting the time and date in livetv, but it looks good because is perfectly centered

[23:07:29]

juski:

hmmm?

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juski:

shouldn't be any green lines in neon-wide

[23:08:12]

juski:

or are you talking about the osd theme, blootube-osd ?

[23:08:15]

praet:

hmm, top is Title, then right is preview, right below title is date, then desc

[23:08:35]

juski:

praet: screenshot please...

[23:09:40]

juski:

oh fuck. backend has fallen over

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juski:

2007-03–08 22:08:32.791 TFW, Error: Write() — IOBOUND begin cnt(7019920) free(4028487)

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juski:

was ist das?

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praet:

something nasty im sure

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praet:

how do i screen capture?

[23:16:42]

praet:

btw thanks for erlier.. audio now worky

[23:16:58]

juski:

in some desktop managers, alt-printscreen works

[23:17:58]

juski:

hmm seems about every week I get those IOBOUND messages in my backend log

[23:18:09]

juski:

might be fs related

[23:18:26]

jams:

ksnapshot is also a decent tool for screenshots

[23:19:01]

juski:

I have enough free space in /home to move my recordings from /video so I could switch away from ext3

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** jams moves the progress stick forward **

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praet:

k

[23:20:24]

praet:

thanks jams

[23:20:30]

jams:

only 6 more classes to modify, then I can get back to real work

[23:20:47]

juski:

hmmm the timing of the IOBOUND stuff might be on 7 day boundaries but it's also at completely different times, so maybe not other work the box is doing

[23:21:56]

onewheelskyward:

Ypu

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praet:

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/1680/neonbetaxa8.png

[23:22:00]

praet:

for juski

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onewheelskyward:

You're not the only one to have that problem juski.

[23:22:45]

praet:

ive had to kill a 40g system install and reinstall just yesterday

[23:22:54]

juski:

praet: aha!

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praet:

at least the new drive is much bigger

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juski:

praet: so it still needs a tweak here & there. thanks :)

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praet:

juski: easy i hope :)

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juski:

aye

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praet:

looks good

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juski:

you do know it's a w i d e theme aswell ? ;)

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praet:

haha... this is the office monitor

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juski:

I need to move the time/date text down about 5 pixels

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praet:

hopefully when i bring the system home all will work

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praet:

with a name like neon i was afraid that it'd be too bright..

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praet:

now to make the guide 5 lines

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juski:

praet: it's called neon because of the subtle highlights

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juski:

I'm good at making themes, not naming em ;)

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praet:

:)

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praet:

cant say so much for myself.. especially if 5 pixels matters in a design

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praet:

i only have enough patience to get myth running to begin with

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juski:

patience? wossat?!

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juski:

ahh maybe that's my problem

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juski:

I use all my patience up when I'm not here

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juski:

I should stop logging in from work I think. too stressed & I tend to explode too easy

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praet:

something like the above mistake with the drive size...

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juski:

wonder when or if I should announce neon-wide to the great unwashed. reckon I might do some more testing this weekend

[23:31:22]

praet:

hrmm what Qt setting do you recommend for blootube

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juski:

praet: that wasn't my mistake, but the kind of incompetence we have to tolerate

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juski:

er... I dunno

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juski:

why do you ask?

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praet:

fooling around

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juski:

I've never seen it make a difference on any theme so I leave it on default

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rsdvd:

good evening juski

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juski:

evening rsdvd

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rsdvd:

youa re not usually around this time of night?

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juski:

not tired

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praet:

ah. i had it on the bubbly one.. only affects default buttons, not your theme stuff

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juski:

default buttons? how do you mean?

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juski:

the popup menus & stuff?

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praet:

like the exit yes/no

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juski:

cos I thought that's what qtlook.txt was sposed to take care of

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praet:

had a rounded corners

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praet:

right

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juski:

qt can do rounded boxes?

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juski:

and mythtv's are all boxy? hmmm

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praet:

myths were rounded too

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praet:

how did i do that

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praet:

holon

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juski:

a different qt look in the appearance menu

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juski:

but which one?

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juski:

I *hate* the qt popups

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juski:

you can change the colour of the lines & that's IT :(

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praet:

Keramik

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praet:

styler

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juski:

actually I bet it's never made any diff cos I've always have gnome on my myth boxen

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juski:

hmmm in theory I could try to make qt themes to go with my themes...

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juski:

but that sounds like work

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juski:

hows life in minimyth land, rsdvd?

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rsdvd:

juski : the box works nice )

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juski:

I'm putting a little kitty together to buy some modding stuff so I can make a front-loading dvd player in one of the s100 boxes

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rsdvd:

still need to sort the remote though

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juski:

rsdvd: like the tv-out quality?

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rsdvd:

juski : I thought you had fallen out of loev with the S100

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juski:

;)

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juski:

I was feeling very skint the other week

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rsdvd:

tv-out is currently on a crappy portable in my office – so not sure on the real quality – but looks ok

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juski:

so much so that even 30 quid would've made a difference to my life

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rsdvd:

:-)

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rsdvd:

ar eyou feeling more flush now?

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juski:

a little

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rsdvd:

:-)

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rsdvd:

I have just been given permission to price up a nice frontend for the lounge :-)

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W6SN:

hrm, how can i get mythtranscode to create files based on the original filename?

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W6SN:

err, nuvexpot

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W6SN:

heal;skdhfaklsdfj

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W6SN:

i can't type today. nuvexport

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praet:

heal. lol

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juski:

W6SN: don't like the nice filenames it makes?

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juski:

rsdvd: how you mean.. nice?

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juski:

I've got permission to go buy a mac mini when I have the money :)

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W6SN:

juski: i need something that can be linked from the web UI for flash playing :)

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rsdvd:

a silent nice looking frontend perferably capable of HD

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juski:

rsdvd: think dual 3ghz & coreavc to play h.264 HD in the UK – not that we have that yet

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rsdvd:

I would love one of these – but that will blow my budget http://www.quietpc.com/gb-en-gbp/products/htpccases/hd160xt

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rsdvd:

coreavc?

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juski:

windows codec

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juski:

linux can't do h.264 in HD yet

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rsdvd:

arh!

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W6SN:

i see: $self->SUPER::export($episode, ".flv");

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rsdvd:

I doubt we will get h.264 any time soon – but I have some movies that are in 720p

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juski:

rsdvd: mac mini, ftw

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juski:

gorgeous, damn quiet, plays mpeg2 hdtv fine

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juski:

and it's not the size of a small car :)

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rsdvd:

but it is apple – I have never got on with apple pcs

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rsdvd:

man mini does not have digital sound out though (according to their website)

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juski:

because this is a logged channel I'll not admit to almost getting tumescent when I saw the mac mini up close

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juski:

oh but it does

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juski:

it's one of them dandy minijack optical thingies

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juski:

I've done my homework ;)

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rsdvd:

:-)

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rsdvd:

how much?

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juski:

core duo 1.8Ghz with 1GB ram.. about 500 squids

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rsdvd:

not cheap – but not bad for what you get

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GreyFoxx:

I've had a mac mini here at the house for a couple weeks. OVerall I like it

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juski:

lad at work doesn't think so on account of it being so small

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GreyFoxx:

I definately prefer it over windows

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dustybin:

skins was ace

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rsdvd:

are they easy to install now? I know they that Macos X is linux based.....but is it easy to install another distro

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onewheelskyward:

I think my next laptop might be a mac somethingorother.

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jduggan:

rsdvd: osx is freebsd based

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juski:

rsdvd: OS X is based on BSD

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GreyFoxx:

rsdvd: It's based off one of the bsd variants

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rsdvd:

lol – ok!

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juski:

you heard it thrice – it must be true

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rsdvd:

what about myth – is that happy on BSD as opposed to a GNU/Linux?

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dustybin:

does one really need MAC OS X on a laptop? a laptop is too small for any proper multi media work with appz like photoshop

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juski:

everything bar mythmusic IIRC

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rsdvd:

juski : no good then :-)

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juski:

but who needs mythmusic when there's frontrow & itunes?

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juski:

if I were to buy a mac mini, a few things bother me

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juski:

1. the remote

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W6SN:

ah

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juski:

2. frontrow

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W6SN:

found how i'll change it

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rsdvd:

I still think I would prefer that case above and a silent mini-itx

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juski:

frontrow looks like it'd kill my love for mythtv

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juski:

if frontrow is as good to use as it *looks*, bye bye mythtv :(

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juski:

I know I've been seen saying I don't care about bling, but that thing makes me take it all back

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onewheelskyward:

I have gentoo running on my thinkpad...video, wireless all work well.

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daviey:

onewheelskyward, there is a cure for gentoo

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dustybin:

aye yes, when i eventually buy a laptop im going for a thinkpad

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rsdvd:

does anyne here use a Zalman HD160 case?

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jduggan:

juski: frontrow do pvr also?

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dustybin:

rsdvd those are too expensive

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onewheelskyward:

daviey: Oh?

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rsdvd:

dustybin : I know – but look beautiful

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dustybin:

i use a proto-type lian li case

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juski:

jduggan: kind of, so I'd need to work around it somehow or other

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daviey:

onewheelskyward, emerge fdisk

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daviey:

can you emerge ubuntu?

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jams:

frontrow doesn't do pvr

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rsdvd:

dustybin : which case?

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juski:

after I saw a demo of frontrow I started to think about er.. what's the word.. mutinous thoughts

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onewheelskyward:

daviey: I tried ubuntu. It drove me right back to gentoo.

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daviey:

juski, to be fair it's new – mythtv will catch up and be further ahead for a few month then

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daviey:

onewheelskyward, and how long did that emerge take?

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juski:

daviey: I'm so desperate to see UI bling bling I'm almost at the point of trying to do it myself

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rsdvd:

anyway – night all !!

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juski:

night rsdvd

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dustybin:

http://www.lian-li.com/Product/Chassis/Desktop/D_PC-C31.htm

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juski:

there still aren't enough HTPC cases that look like livingroom appliances

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daviey:

Geez, these people are keen http://www.gbtvpc.com/

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juski:

kitchen appliances yes.. not livingroom ones

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daviey:

At best they look like amps or other decks

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