Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, March 6th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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k-man_:

oh, thats annoying

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|Torg|:

I have a if PMT fails go retune the channel code :)

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|Torg|:

it seems to have fixed it

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|Torg|:

I say seem as I cant recreate the problem reliably, only identify it when it happens

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k-man_:

damn thats annoying

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|Torg|:

you don't say :P

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|Torg|:

im osrry its been broken for a month, not three

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planktonboy:

hi guys

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|Torg|:

it just seems like 3

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kslater:

I have a nuvexport job running and it was making fair progress but now that it's 90% complete it has slowed to a crawl

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kslater:

seems like way more wait time now for some reason

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kslater:

how do you find out what's killing the disk?

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planktonboy:

Could someone give me some advice on a continuing problem

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planktonboy:

I cant seem to find an answer to why all the other programs I can watch either live tv or recorded programs in mythtv, but not The Simpsons, although I can watch the simpsons in another program once it has recorded from mythtv, so in effect it is recording ok

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|Torg|:

how does the simpsons differ from your other shows?

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|Torg|:

is it the only show on that channel you watch?

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planktonboy:

nope

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|Torg|:

is it the only show in that format on the channel you watch

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planktonboy:

I have watched loads of films on that channel

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planktonboy:

its really odd

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planktonboy:

that I am not sure

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planktonboy:

someone said that the Simpsons was in 4:3 format

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|Torg|:

then its a pretty good guess that its a perception issue and not realated to the show

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|Torg|:

what tuner cards do you use?

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planktonboy:

so I thought it might be to do with a display issue or something

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planktonboy:

I use 2 Nova-T's

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|Torg|:

what is the "normal" mode of the channel?

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planktonboy:

not sure

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planktonboy:

what do you mean by mode

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planktonboy:

thanks for the help by the way Torg :)

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|Torg|:

well I dont know how muc I can help I can only tell you how ATSC behaves

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planktonboy:

ah

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planktonboy:

I am using DVB

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|Torg|:

and in it, other then changing framerates the only thing the bcastes do is letterbox SD tv into HD

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planktonboy:

am in the UK and the channel is Channel 4

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|Torg|:

I assumed you were in Eurpose after you said you are using nova-t cards

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planktonboy:

yup

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planktonboy:

yeah I guess it must be something along those lines

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planktonboy:

I have tried playing several recordings of the simpsons back from mplayer from the command line and I get the folllowing info which could be relevant

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|Torg|:

pastebin it please, dont paste it to the channel

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planktonboy:

no I wont

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planktonboy:

was only going to to paste a couple words

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planktonboy:

Movie-Aspect is 1.78:1

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planktonboy:

704x576 => 1024x576 Planar YV12

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planktonboy:

does that make any sense to you

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planktonboy:

it just seemed a bit different to the usual aspect and resolutions

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planktonboy:

or do I need to provide more info

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planktonboy:

probably :)

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|Torg|:

sence, yes thats dvd anamorphic size

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|Torg|:

they bradcast that in the UK?

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kslater:

planktonboy maybe it would be helpful to see the output of mplayer -frames 0 -ao null -vo null file.mpg?

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|Torg|:

I woudl expect that here in the US if I was watching a DVD

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planktonboy:

ok kslater will do

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kslater:

pastebin it?

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planktonboy:

I'll find out how to paste that to pastebin first

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planktonboy:

then get back to you guys in a few mins

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|Torg|:

http://pastebin.ca as it is in the topic

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planktonboy:

thanks guys

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planktonboy:

yup

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planktonboy:

back and the link is http://pastebin.ca/382948

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|Torg|:

ok can you play that mpg?

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planktonboy:

unfortunately the wife is watching her favourite program right now on the mythtv pc so I had to do this via ssh, so hopefully that won't have affected the outcome of the command output

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planktonboy:

nope the file quit

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|Torg|:

Requested audio codec family [mp3] (afm=mp3lib) not available.

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planktonboy:

it just said end of file

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|Torg|:

it cant render the audio for one

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planktonboy:

damn it might be that the mythtv is interfering with it...I'll tell my wife she's gotta go sleep

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planktonboy:

:)

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|Torg|:

but what is it you are trying to tell?

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kslater:

the -ao null says to run the audio down the drain

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planktonboy:

ah

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kslater:

is that a playable file or an unplayable one?

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planktonboy:

yes

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|Torg|:

yes what?

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planktonboy:

normally it would play fine it mplayer or xine on the mythtv pc if I turn off mythtv frontend of course

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|Torg|:

there really is no reason to turn off the frontend, other then to save resources

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kslater:

plantonboy I was thinking we might have a look at one that works (in myth) and one that doesn't and try to spot something strange

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|Torg|:

you can display xine or mplyer on top of it

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|Torg|:

and if you play it via the frontend?

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planktonboy:

kslater sure that is a good idea

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planktonboy:

I will try and do that..I just need to go and do a couple of things here first but will be back in 5 mins

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|Torg|:

proving it can be streamed to vlc only proves its a valid mpg

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kslater:

does anyone know if nuvexport completely rewrites the output file after each frame or some strange thing like that?

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kslater:

xris are you lurking?

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jacKnife:

i was on a website the other day at work that had a terrestrial broadcast finder where you put in your address and it gave you degrees off north where to point your antenna... Does anyone know what site i'm talking about?

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|Torg|:

antennaweb?

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jacKnife:

gads, thats it

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jacKnife:

you'd think i could remember something that obvious

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jacKnife:

thanks |Torg|

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|Torg|:

np

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|Torg|:

btw its not always right, but good luck :)

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xris:

kslater: ?

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xris:

kslater: nuvexport doesn't write any files.

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xris:

well, not in the way you're thinking, anyway

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kslater:

xris good point

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kslater:

wasn't thinking very well

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monkeyBox:

This is wierd. I did a QAM scan awhile ago, and I remember it coming up with several nice HD channels such as HDNET. Well I had to clear out my database and start over, and when I did the scan again, this time HDNET isn't showing up (among a couple others). I've tried each combination of QAM-256 scanning.

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monkeyBox:

Has anyone had any experience with other forms of channel scanning?

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kslater:

I can't figure out why this nuvexport session has slowed down so much

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xris:

kslater: top?

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kslater:

looking at it

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kslater:

mostly iowait

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kslater:

like 80%

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|Torg|:

what does iostat tell you?

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|Torg|:

using top for performace tuning is like using the idiot lights on your dashboard to tune your car

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kslater:

http://pastebin.ca/382977

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|Torg|:

you did run iostat for more then one time, right?

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kslater:

that was after about 6 samples at 2 sec intervals |Torg|

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kslater:

xris does nuvexport require mythbackend to be running?

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|Torg|:

kslater what are you doing on your ide disk?

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planktonboy:

back

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kslater:

just running that nuvexport at the moment

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|Torg|:

is the thing your exporting on that disk?

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planktonboy:

I'm just preparing those outputs on the mythtv pc and will paste them up in a few mins

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kslater:

|Torg| yes, exporting from that machine's slave backend to that machine's disk

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kslater:

2 different lvm managed partitions tho.

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xris:

kslater: no clue. depends on whether or not mythtranscode does.

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|Torg|:

well your satuating the iops for an ide disk, its most likly where you get that iowait from

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xris:

nuvexport 0.5 likely does, though, since it pulls info from the backend.

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kslater:

I have a recording coming up on that box. I hate to kill it at 92% complete, but I have no choice.

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|Torg|:

kslater pastebin a hdparm from it

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|Torg|:

specifcly is it set to 32 bit io and dma?

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kslater:

k

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kslater:

one sec

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alsoconfused:

kslater: the busy disk is being used over nfs?

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kslater:

no, it's only working locally

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kslater:

http://pastebin.ca/382994

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|Torg|:

sorry kslater your just killing that little ide disks io buffer

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|Torg|:

its not size that is doing it, its operations

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|Torg|:

your at the limit of iops, the tps part, you can do on ide

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|Torg|:

if this is your backend I would *HIGHLY* suggest you get a seperate disk for your recordings

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|Torg|:

if for nothing else then to keep its IO away from the root disks

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kslater:

|Torg| this guy works fine for recording OTA HD, that's the crazy thing

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|Torg|:

OTA HD is large disk, and slow access

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kslater:

right

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|Torg|:

hell I coudl record it to my usb flash drive where it big enough

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kslater:

ok. I'll take your advice and look into another drive. Since it's only go IDE interfaces in that box, suggestions on what I should be looking for to maximize it's potential?

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|Torg|:

but your compting box is compeing for its log files, the swap and vmem, and the export

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|Torg|:

not to mention the same disk is running back and forth trying to read files while at the same time running to a differnt spot to log its use

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|Torg|:

not exacly shoe shinign the disk, but not exaly ideal in any case

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kslater:

|Torg| thanks for the help

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|Torg|:

np

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planktonboy:

phew

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planktonboy:

finished

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planktonboy:

that took ages :)

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planktonboy:

Torg, kslater, thanks for being patient

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planktonboy:

I just wanted to get it all pasted and set before I bothered you again

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planktonboy:

the links are as follows

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planktonboy:

first is simpsons played from mplayer http://pastebin.ca/383003

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planktonboy:

finally I copied the output of the simpsons when mythfrontend tries to play it but cannot. The link is http://pastebin.ca/383037

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planktonboy:

I hope that gives you a bit more of an idea about what the problem might be re why I cant seem to watch any of the simpsons programs from mythfrontend either on live tv or recorded, but yet can play them in other programs once mythtv has recorded it

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alsoconfused:

planktonboy: mplayer -frames 0 -ao null -vo null isn't much of a test

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|Torg|:

it just tells you what aspect the video is in, and what its default csp and audio is set to

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|Torg|:

it wont tell you if you can play it or not, just that its a valid mpeg

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alsoconfused:

it looks like he has a problem with xvideo

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|Torg|:

it looks like his nvidia drivers are misset too

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alsoconfused:

yup

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|Torg|:

anyone have a comparision of nv cores vs xvmc speed? I have a 5900 and a 6600 (the 5900 works now). Im wondering if I should upgrade it or if it will make any differnce at all.

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|Torg|:

thanks alsoconfused for reminign me of that :)

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planktonboy:

ah

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planktonboy:

thanks alsoconfused and Torg

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|Torg|:

planktonboy do you know how to fix it?

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planktonboy:

not too sure no

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|Torg|:

well one is a config value in your X11 config the other involves reinstalling the nvidia drivers

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planktonboy:

any advice would be appreciated of course but only if youve got a bit of time spare

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planktonboy:

ok

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|Torg|:

do you use xorg or xfree? you can look in /etc/X11 and see which conf file is there

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planktonboy:

xorg

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|Torg|:

patebin it

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planktonboy:

ok

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|Torg|:

the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file

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Honk:

mhh.. a bit offtopic, but what kind of cable do i need for gbit network?

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|Torg|:

cat 5e or cat 6

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planktonboy:

http://pastebin.ca/383087

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planktonboy:

done

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Honk:

|Torg|: thank you :)

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|Torg|:

do you run x86, x86_64 or x86?

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|Torg|:

err x64

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Honk:

i guess i'll go for cat6 cable.. it doesnt seem to be any more expensive anyway

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|Torg|:

np

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planktonboy:

me?

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Honk:

he surely wasnt asking me =)

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planktonboy:

x86

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alsoconfused:

planktonboy: i think you need Load "dbe" in the Modules section

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alsoconfused:

dbe==double buffering extension

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|Torg|:

wget http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . 746-pkg1.run

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|Torg|:

then run that file

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planktonboy:

right

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|Torg|:

and v4l if your usign a v4l card

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|Torg|:

I didnt ask what your capture card was, sorry

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planktonboy:

ok done that alsoconfused thanks, and Torg, yes I have that version driver here which I used for my laptop gfx card

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planktonboy:

I didnt think that version ran with the Geforce MX440 SE

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planktonboy:

but I will do that

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adnick56:

Hi, I was wondering if anyone could help me, I just updated my mythtv to the latest svn and as soon as i start the backend I get "Segmentation Fault"

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alsoconfused:

planktonboy: my cards are both geforce 4 mx440's and i had bad luck with 8xxx and 9xxx versions

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planktonboy:

oh

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alsoconfused:

7184 works well

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planktonboy:

ok

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planktonboy:

will try that one first

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|Torg|:

im runing 9629 mostly for the bounding box issue

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|Torg|:

it works so im not updating it

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planktonboy:

Torg sorry...my capture card is a Nova-T

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achew22:

adnick56, can you give a little more information than that

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adnick56:

what do you want to know

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achew22:

does it put out any messages?

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adnick56:

no

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achew22:

it segfaults right off the bat?

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adnick56:

i tried mythbackend -v all and still got nothing

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adnick56:

yup

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adnick56:

nickgentoo mythplugins # mythbackend

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adnick56:

Segmentation fault

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achew22:

are you on gentoo?

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adnick56:

yes

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planktonboy:

and when I reinstall those different drivers shouold I let nvidia driver update my xorg.conf file too

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achew22:

I take it you have QT4 installed?

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alsoconfused:

planktonboy: make a copy of what you have now, then let the installer do its thing.

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adnick56:

i do but i uninstalled qt4 to compile everything

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adnick56:

i did already reinstall it

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planktonboy:

ok will try that out and see how it goes

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achew22:

I never got it to install with QT4, I actualy re emerged everything setting the global use flag -qt4 because I got so fed up

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planktonboy:

and thanks chaps..I really appreciate the help :)

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alsoconfused:

adnick56: strace -f -o /tmp/backend_trace mythbackend #after it segfaults, pastebin /tmp/backend_trace

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adnick56:

ok its gonna take me a short period of time i gotta emerge strace first

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alsoconfused:

you crazy gentoo kids

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jd86:

alsoconfused, heh

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adnick56:

http://paste.uni.cc/13474

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adnick56:

that is the output of the strace

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alsoconfused:

adnick56: looking

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adnick56:

ok :)

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alsoconfused:

adnick56: this may seem like a strange question, but are the clock and timezone set correctly on your machine?

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adnick56:

i dont know if this helps but i noticed its looking for some fglrx directory and im using nvidia

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adnick56:

in that strace i see this

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adnick56:

yes the clock and timezone are set correctly

[03:25:14]

adnick56:

im using ntp for my time

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adnick56:

i had a previous svn of mythtv working until i tried to upgrade today

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alsoconfused:

adnick56: the backend has nothing to do with fglrx, but it's probably listed in /etc/ld.so.preload.

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adnick56:

ok

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alsoconfused:

i wonder if you really need /etc/ld.so.preload

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alsoconfused:

the reason i asked about time/timezone is because the first thing mine does after the point where yours segfaults is a time() call followed by open /etc/localtime. I'm not using svn though.

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adnick56:

hmm well it wasnt a problem in the previous svn

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adnick56:

i know my time is correct because im using ntp to set it

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adnick56:

but what comes after time?

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alsoconfused:

after a few time related calls it looks for some stuff in "/usr/lib/qt-3.3/plugins"

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adnick56:

hmm

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adnick56:

i think i may have overlooked som options i needed when i compiled my mythtv

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adnick56:

i have xvmc support off

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adnick56:

i just noticed

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adnick56:

could that cause this

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alsoconfused:

i wouldn't think so

[03:35:07]

alsoconfused:

that preload stuff could be a problem though

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alsoconfused:

did you try hiding that file?

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adnick56:

hiding what file?

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alsoconfused:

/etc/ld.so.preload

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jd86:

alsoconfused, i don't think he has that file.

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jd86:

alsoconfused, mainly because i'm his friend and just logged in and he doesn't :)

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alsoconfused:

oops, you're right jd86

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jd86:

he does have /etc/ld.so.cache and /etc/ld.so.conf

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adnick56:

thank you jimmy

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alsoconfused:

has he run ldconfig since installing everything?

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adnick56:

no

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adnick56:

ive never run that i dont believe

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alsoconfused:

it's worth a shot

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jd86:

i wonder if env-update in gentoo does that...

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alsoconfused:

most installers take care of it for you, but i'm not familiar with gentoo

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adnick56:

ok tried that

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adnick56:

backend still no go

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adnick56:

i can try refetching the svn and recompiling and reinstalling

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adnick56:

if you think that mght help

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alsoconfused:

adnick56: i'd run ldd /path/to/mythbackend and see if it's using any "strange" libraries

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adnick56:

ok

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adnick56:

hmm any idea where mythbackend is located?

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alsoconfused:

/usr/local/bin probably

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jd86:

(and whereis mythbackend tells you too)

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adnick56:

http://paste.uni.cc/13476

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adnick56:

there is the output of that

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nero:

anyone else having trouble compiling the latest svn?

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adnick56:

well i compiled it ok

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nero:

(hanging up on libavcodec.. haven't had any trouble compiling an SVN for quite a while)

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nero:

problem with finding registers.. doesnt sound good.. :/

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adnick56:

see anything out of place alsoconfused?

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alsoconfused:

adnick56: no

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adnick56:

do you think i should uninstall re fetch and reinstall at this point

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alsoconfused:

did you change anything else on your system?

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adnick56:

no i dont believe i did literally exited myth tv did svn update uninstalled qt4 compiled myth tv installed mythtv installed qt4 and tried to start the backend

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monkeyBox:

Any QAM experts? I've found a list of QAM channel mappings for my area, but they only show channel numbers, ie, 110–1, 110–2, xxx112–1, xxx112–2 — how can I convert these to a format mythtv will understand?

[04:00:01]

Cardoe:

you can't

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nero:

ahh there we go.. change the cpu type from i686 to pentium4 and now all is well..

[04:00:40]

alsoconfused:

adnick56: ldd shows that mythbackend is linked against qt4/libQtGui.so.4, so it seems weird that you had to uninstall it before building?

[04:01:01]

Cardoe:

if mythbackend is linked against qt-4... you screwed up big time

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adnick56:

it errrored out during the compile if i didnt

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Cardoe:

considering MythTV is a qt 3 only application

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alsoconfused:

aha

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Cardoe:

monkeyBox: those are virtual channels.. the frequencies they're on can be totally different.

[04:01:42]

adnick56:

hmmm

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Cardoe:

if you don't know WTF you're doing... don't do it by hand

[04:01:52]

Cardoe:

just do emerge mythtv

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Cardoe:

and stop being a ricer.

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adnick56:

well i had it working b4 from svn

[04:02:34]

adnick56:

and thats how i did it

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adnick56:

but, alsoconfused i liked to see that "aha" :)

[04:03:16]

adnick56:

im hoping you see a solution to my problem

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alsoconfused:

i was referring to Cardoe's point. mine doesn't link to anything qt4.

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kormoc:

adante, you removed qt3 after compiling mythtv?

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doc|home:

o.O

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alsoconfused:

try rebuilding it paying speciat attention to use qt3

[04:05:15]

alsoconfused:

check your shell environment for QTDIR QTINC and QTLIB

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monkeyBox:

Cardoe, I've seen how mythtv labels the channels when it does scans, ie, 77#1, etc...

[04:06:19]

monkeyBox:

Cardoe, those are pretty consistent

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** SadEagle wonders how the heck something like that managed to link... ld must have been smoking something illegal **

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Cardoe:

monkeyBox: and with digital channels they're virtual channels.

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kormoc:

SadEagle, lib/qt.so was pointing to lib/qt.so.3.x.x and after he switched to qt4, it pointed to lib/qt.so.4.x.x.x and thus why ld is attempting to link that way, I'd guess

[04:07:28]

Cardoe:

monkeyBox: for example here.. Fox Digital broadcasts on channel 32's frequency but it comes up as 51–1

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Cardoe:

kormoc: uh. someone needs to get hit with a stick

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** kormoc blinks **

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monkeyBox:

Right, but I'm wanting to know how to take 51–1 and convert it to actual QAM frequency and program id

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kormoc:

not me I hope

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Cardoe:

kormoc: no.. the person that did that

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kormoc:

ooh, hehe

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Cardoe:

monkeyBox: and I'm telling you that YOU CAN NOT

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kormoc:

that'd be adnick56

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Cardoe:

monkeyBox: you have to do a channel scan

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clever:

i just noticed

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reldruh:

I just lost sound on my mythtv frontend...

[04:09:02]

clever:

mythtv got upgraded to protocol 33:)

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Cardoe:

adnick56: paste bin your /etc/make.conf... you're rebuilding your entire system tonight

[04:09:08]

monkeyBox:

Cardoe, Why would these people be posting these numbers, when they're not usable?

[04:09:15]

monkeyBox:

http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.ph . . . postcount=14

[04:09:27]

monkeyBox:

Wouldn't they be some kind of standard?

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Cardoe:

monkeyBox: Clearly you won't listen to reason

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kormoc:

monkeyBox, only on the same source

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Cardoe:

so believe what you want

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monkeyBox:

Cardoe, no need to get all upset...

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Cardoe:

notice how people call it the channel "map"?

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reldruh:

sound still works in other programs, just not mythtv. The only change I made was I got rid of an extension coaxial cable, which i don't think is the problem since the video is coming through just fine

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monkeyBox:

right

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adante:

HELLO

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kormoc:

adante, are you actually running gentoo?

[04:10:43]

adante:

HELLO

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** kormoc peers at adante strangely **

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kormoc:

ooh

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kormoc:

adnick56, are you actually running gentoo?

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kormoc:

adante, sorry...

[04:11:27]

adnick56:

yes i am running gentoo

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Cardoe:

adnick56: you can install qt 3 and qt 4 at the same time

[04:11:50]

Cardoe:

it's like you can have gtk+ 1 and gtk+ 2 on the same machine

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adnick56:

i have them both installed

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monkeyBox:

so, the fact they call it a map leads me to believe it is a mapping of frequencies to actual channels...

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Cardoe:

monkeyBox: bingo

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adante:

you should be.. i came in here all excited, thinking i was finally POPULAR!!!

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adnick56:

how do i make mythtv only use qt3?

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monkeyBox:

Cardoe, so, what am I missing here? that's what I want...

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Cardoe:

adnick56: It can only use qt3

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kormoc:

adnick56, emerge <x11-libs/qt-4.0.0

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Cardoe:

monkeyBox: you need linuxtv-dvb-apps

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adnick56:

this i know, but how do i stop it from linking to qt4

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kormoc:

adnick56, install qt3...

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monkeyBox:

I just want to know how to translate something like 110–2, to frequency & pid

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Cardoe:

adnick56: it should never link against qt3... unless you went in there by hand and screwed with stuff

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adnick56:

qt3 is installed

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Cardoe:

adnick56: re install it

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Cardoe:

monkeyBox: you need linuxtv-dvb-apps

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adnick56:

do i need to remove 4?

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kormoc:

no....

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monkeyBox:

Cardoe, I have lthe dvb apps

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Cardoe:

adnick56: NO

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adnick56:

ok

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SadEagle:

adnick56: make sure your QTDIR is set to the Qt3 dir, and path has the Qt3 qmake in it..

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kormoc:

adnick56, of course, you could just use the svn ebuilds I maintain, if you *must* use svn

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SadEagle:

hmm, also check for QMAKESPECS being set.

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kormoc:

of course, they are done under 'it works for me'

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Cardoe:

monkeyBox: are you in the US?

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monkeyBox:

Cardoe, yes

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Cardoe:

SadEagle: he doesn't need to do all that

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** alsoconfused installs mythtv using hand punched paper tape **

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Cardoe:

SadEagle: He needs to STOP screwing with stuff like that

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Cardoe:

monkeyBox: dvbscan -t 1 /usr/share/dvb/atsc/us-Cable-Standard-center-frequencies-QAM256

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adnick56:

kormoc im not a lnux expert so i dont know how to check those things you just aked me to check

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Cardoe:

monkeyBox: or wherever you have that file installed.

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Cardoe:

adnick56: No.

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SadEagle:

Cardoe: that's another option. I was just pointing out reasons qmake4 can screw up a Qt3 build...

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Cardoe:

adnick56: you need to do one thing

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adnick56:

ok?

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Cardoe:

SadEagle: and I'm saying we took care of it on Gentoo

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Cardoe:

adnick56: emerge =x11-libs/qt-3*

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monkeyBox:

Cardoe, I don't want to do a full scan, I've already tried that. I just want to translate that number to the frequency/pid....

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SadEagle:

Cardoe: I'll shut up. I am just a guest here :-)

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adnick56:

ok

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Cardoe:

monkeyBox: you HAVE to

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Cardoe:

monkeyBox: that's the only way.

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Cardoe:

you have to scan each frequency

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Cardoe:

and each frequency will have an identifier on there that says it should be "51–1" or whatever.

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monkeyBox:

dvbscan doesn't always get every frequency...

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Cardoe:

like I said.. here the frequency for channel 32 is Fox 51–1

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Cardoe:

40 miles south

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adnick56:

CARDOE : thank you very much its emerging as i speak

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Cardoe:

monkeyBox: it's channel 25 that's Fox 51–1

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|Torg|:

Cardoe those arnt freq designation there pid designations

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Cardoe:

|Torg|: I know they're not

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|Torg|:

it is posible to have a channel on one fre designation and actualy be called a differnt one

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Cardoe:

I said the frequency that channel 32 is on maps to Fox 51–1

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|Torg|:

my ABC and PBS are like that

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monkeyBox:

|Torg|, so, can you get freq/pid from the pid designation?

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|Torg|:

you cant find the pid untill you tune the freq

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|Torg|:

hence the center channel freq list

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monkeyBox:

|Torq|, basically, I've found this site: http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.ph . . . postcount=14

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monkeyBox:

well, I'll try it again, but last time it didn't get nearly all the channels it should have

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adnick56:

CARDOE : once i install qt3 i must need to recompile and reinstall my svn of mythtv

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|Torg|:

if it dosnt find the chanels they are either not there, you dont get them, or you dont use qam256

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adnick56:

???

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Cardoe:

adnick56: possibly not.

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Cardoe:

adnick56: if you're compiling by hand then you either need to uninstall qt-4.. or look inside the official mythtv ebuild for the work around for QTDIR or you need to use kormoc's svn ebuilds

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Cardoe:

monkeyBox: what are you missing?

[04:22:29]

Cardoe:

monkeyBox: you might have HRC or IRC

[04:22:38]

Cardoe:

you might have 8VSB which would be very uncommon

[04:22:47]

Cardoe:

You might be using EIA

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Cardoe:

there's a bunch of scan files in there

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|Torg|:

more likly a HRC IRC thing

[04:23:53]

planktonboy:

hi

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planktonboy:

Torg, I tried the nvidia 7184 driver but it kept crashing mythfrontend with a segmentation fault every time I exited watching a recording or live tv

[04:25:34]

planktonboy:

I'm just going to try the 9629 ver see if that works any better

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adnick56:

Just out of curiosity is qt3 gonnna take a long time on a 1200 im debating going to bed and continuing this tomorrow if so?

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alsoconfused:

planktonboy: i'm the one who recommended 7184. sorry for the bumb steer. works for me though.

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Cardoe:

adnick56: any reason you need svn?

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adnick56:

yes and no i liked the one in gentoo portage but the svn ran much better for me

[04:27:18]

adnick56:

to be honest it ran great except i had an svm where mythmusic was having scan trouble removing entries for files that no longer existed

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|Torg|:

planktonboy if the upgraded nvidia drivers are crashing mythfrontend you have something mismateched in your X libs

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Cardoe:

adnick56: I believe that issue has been backported into 0.20 so it's fixed

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adnick56:

so i figured how hard can it be for me to upgrade the svn i got it installed initially in under 30 minutes and it worked great

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adnick56:

also i liked the streamtv feature in mythweb which was not in the version in portage

[04:29:08]

adnick56:

and the video was choppy b4

[04:29:16]

adnick56:

i really want the svn

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Cardoe:

so use kormoc's ebuilds

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adnick56:

ok where do i get those and are they as upto date as the most current svn?

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Cardoe:

they pull svn.. so they're the latest

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kormoc:

https://www.kormoc.com/ebuilds/

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adnick56:

where do i get the ebuilds

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kormoc:

you'll want media-plugins media-tv and x11-themes

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Cardoe:

kormoc: what c/o are you on right now?

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kormoc:

12938

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adnick56:

ok is there a set of instructions on how to install them

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kormoc:

nope

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|Torg|:

kormoc do you do those by hand or do you automate it?

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kormoc:

|Torg|, hrm? in terms of?

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|Torg|:

in terms of I svn my builds and distcc compile then about every 3 days or so

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|Torg|:

I then package it into debs so I can revsion controll my installs

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|Torg|:

id prefer to automate it all, but just havnt gotten to it

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|Torg|:

I figured if you already did it, I could hack it to my own use :)

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kormoc:

ooh, I just change the -versionnumber and emerge -u mythtv-trunk and it downloads, builds, and installs that svn version :P

[04:33:49]

|Torg|:

so you do them by hand then

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kormoc:

yeah, I bump versions by hand

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kormoc:

means I know what's gonna happen before it does

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|Torg|:

I do the same. I was thinking of automating it

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adnick56:

ok so if i use kormoc's ebuilds should i uninstal the svn i have first

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|Torg|:

even with ccache and distcc it still takes about half and hour to compile two build sets

[04:35:01]

|Torg|:

yes adnick56 uninstall any buils you have already

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adnick56:

here goes me being a total nub: ive never installed an ebuild b4 how do i go about doing that?

[04:36:26]

|Torg|:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Installing_3rd_Party_Ebuilds

[04:36:43]

|Torg|:

http://www.google.com/search?q=install+ebuild . . . nt=firefox-a

[04:36:51]

planktonboy:

Just installed the 9629 drivers and no more crashing of mythfrontend

[04:36:53]

planktonboy:

but

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planktonboy:

still cant play anyo f the simpsons recordings

[04:37:58]

planktonboy:

yeah, no worries Torg for the 7184 mention...was def worth a try :))

[04:39:01]

planktonboy:

I'll try these drivers for a bit and maybe see if playing the recordings back in XvMC or libmpeg make any difference

[04:39:22]

planktonboy:

and I'll def have a look at the X libs

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|Torg|:

use xvmc

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alsoconfused:

planktonboy: make sure mplayer -vo xv works before killing time elsewhere

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planktonboy:

ok will do

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nero:

now this is a strange one.. mythmusic.pro:39: Parse Error ('<<<<<<< .mine')

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nero:

latest svn, plugins..

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kormoc:

nero, you had local changes when up updated

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nero:

kormoc, ahhhhh yes.. you are right..

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kormoc:

when you updated

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nero:

I forgot I had added the streaming stuff in there..

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nero:

how do I revert to the svn?

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kormoc:

svn status

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kormoc:

remove the files with ? or C next to them

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kormoc:

and then svn up

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alsoconfused:

planktonboy: i have 7184

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planktonboy:

ah must be Torg then

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planktonboy:

hehe

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nero:

kormac- thats weird.. there was only 2 files that were modified, but svn status lists about 30.

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|Torg|:

I use Xfree86 not xorg

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|Torg|:

Ill show it to you if you want tho, there isnt much differnce between the two conf files

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planktonboy:

sure if you dont mind

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planktonboy:

:)

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planktonboy:

I'll do some more reading up on this too

[04:46:52]

planktonboy:

and reread the mvidia readme

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planktonboy:

I bought that Hacking Mythtv book by jarod wilson the other day too

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planktonboy:

so lots of reading to do

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marmoset:

I've got a really weird issue (at least it seems that way): one of my two pvr250s has lost the ability to tune one channel (comedy central). I've switched the coax cables on them, I've moved them around to different PCI slots, and it's definitely the one tuner that can't do it, and the other can. Anyone have any idea where to start looking for the problem?

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|Torg|:

here planktonboy http://www.pastebin.ca/383192

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alsoconfused:

marmoset: did you change any drivers or firmware?

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|Torg|:

the monitor sections probbly wont help you much

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|Torg|:

and under no circumstnace copy my HDTV lines

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planktonboy:

and have added that mythstream plugin which was def worth having as my wife likes watching her Thai movies streeamed

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planktonboy:

hehe

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planktonboy:

ah thanks Torg

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|Torg|:

well unless you specifly have a JVC DLP tv

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planktonboy:

will have a close look at that

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marmoset:

alsoconfused: I have updated ivtv somewhat recently, but I'm 99% certain that it did this sometimes before that, it just wasn't as bad. It's only one (sometimes two, the channel above comedy central has audio issues sometimes). I only just now tracked it down to one of the tuners doing it, so I can't say for certain one way or the other.

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alsoconfused:

marmoset: are the cards identical (there were multiple versions of pvr-250)?

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|Torg|:

ok well im off to bed, take care everyone

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alsoconfused:

ciao torg

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achew22:

Night!

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marmoset:

alsoconfused: no, they're not identical unfortunately, they show up the same in lspci, but the coax connector is different lengths, so I'd assume there are other differences

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marmoset:

I'm reverting the ivtv driver now to see if it does anything

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planktonboy:

thanks again Torg

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planktonboy:

been a real help

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marmoset:

alsoconfused: I've had them both for probably a couple years now, always treated them exactly the same driver/firmware wise tho, never had anything this strange happen

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planktonboy:

will let you know how I get on

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planktonboy:

damn

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planktonboy:

missed him

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alsoconfused:

marmoset: are either of the cards dirty looking?

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planktonboy:

also thanks to you alsoconfused I will try all those suggestions out and see what happens

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planktonboy:

really appreciated :))

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alsoconfused:

good luck planktonboy

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planktonboy:

cheers

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planktonboy:

yeah I'd better get some sleep too...nver seem to make it to bed before 6 am nowadays

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planktonboy:

LOL

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marmoset:

alsoconfused: not that I could tell, didn't smell any ozone on it either :)

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alsoconfused:

marmoset: you could try setting the frequency manually with v4l2-ctl

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marmoset:

alsoconfused: it's really weird too, it's not like it's static, it looks kind of like nodal interference or something

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alsoconfused:

what is "nodal interference"?

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achew22:

a hive of interfaces?

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marmoset:

kinda like this

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marmoset:

http://www.phys.ufl.edu/demo/3_OscillationsWa . . . rferDisc.jpg

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marmoset:

alsoconfused: thanks, I'll check out v4l2-ctl tomorrow when it's not recording stuff, 9:00 rolled around and it started getting some things

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alsoconfused:

marmoset: i think there's a method for grabbing uncompressed yuv from those cards. it might be something going on downstream from the tuner

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alsoconfused:

marmoset: is it possible it's set to a very low bitrate?

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marmoset:

alsoconfused: I don't think so — I pulled the cards and let them sit out for 5 minutes to let any caps discharge or whatever, then swapped them in pci slots (so tuner 1 became tuner 0, and vice versa), so I don't think any bitrate setting would be carried over there, but I could be wrong I guess

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marmoset:

not even sure if you can do that on a per channel basis on the car

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marmoset:

d

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alsoconfused:

marmoset: i don't think it would have carried over after the pci swap either

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marmoset:

I've got a pvr 500 I'm not using too, I may just swap that in and call it done (and have an extra tuner out of the deal)

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achew22:

marmoset, sounds like a good call

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alsoconfused:

nice to have options

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marmoset:

I hate giving up, but I also hate wasting time on hardware ;)

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marmoset:

I finally got all the HD channels working correctly too, so mythtv was 100%, but only for like a week until this happened

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alsoconfused:

had you added new hardware when you first noticed the problem?

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marmoset:

nah

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marmoset:

had like 5 hd channels working for a long time, finally decided to bite the bullet and figure out all the rest (then comcast moved around nbc on me just days after, heh)

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marmoset:

hd's in a separate backend anyway

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alsoconfused:

oh

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alsoconfused:

figured maybe an rf problem in the box

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marmoset:

ah, yeah, it seems like something like that

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marmoset:

that was more my impetus for moving the card to a different pci slot

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marmoset:

but, no luck

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marmoset:

swapped which port it was on the cable splitter too, swapped cables, etc

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marmoset:

just so weird it's really only one channel, I blame the aliens.

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alsoconfused:

maybe wash the card. afaik, the tuner is controlled with analog voltage

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marmoset:

anyway, thanks, I'll check out manually tuning then give up :)

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flindet:

hey, what's the site you guys recommend for building home theater pcs?

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Ediehow:

hi

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Ediehow:

anyone have a good script for changing channels for an stb?

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Ediehow:

mine doesn't seem to be working, however, irsend --device=/dev/lircd SEND_ONCE DISH_1 1 1 0 0 8 8

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Ediehow:

works

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Ediehow:

to dial 108

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witless:

ok, i got ivtv installed, and tvtime. i ran v4l-conf and /dev/video0 exists. but tvtime gives me: videoinput: Card failed to allocate capture buffers: Invalid argument

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witless:

i'm using a wintv pvr 150 in ubuntu edgy

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reldruh:

what's the default location mythtv stores recordings to?

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Ediehow:

anyone using lirc with an stb?

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Ediehow:

help

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Ediehow:

irsend DISH_1 SEND_ONCE 2 2 0 0 5 5 works

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Ediehow:

but my channel change scripts are not working

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alsoconfused:

Ediehow: does the script work from the cmdline?

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Ediehow:

i had to change the script to make it do each digit twice

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Ediehow:

i wonder what changed

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akifdino_:

can anyone do a ldd on mythbackend, i've compiled a svn version and the file is linked against libmyth 0.20 which i think is wrong, shouldn't it be compiled against 0.21?

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Anduin:

akifdino_: No

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akifdino_:

Anduin: ok, unfortunately i can not start myth-setup it says that it can not connect to the database, i've installed just a svn version and had a debian packaged one before.

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akifdino_:

is QMYSQL3 the parameter for mysql?

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Anduin:

akifdino_: Yeah, that is the Qt MySQL driver

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akifdino_:

and which version of mysql.txt is beeing used if i have one in /etc/mythtv and one in the home directory of the starting user?

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Anduin:

akifdino_: If you have the packaged version installed you almost certainly have conflicting libs being found.

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Anduin:

akifdino_: I don't remember which

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akifdino_:

mhhh, i removed them actually

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acr:

hi. I'm the guy from yesterday who was looking at a sata drive with no sata controller. i went and got a sata controller and the drive, but now it doesn't seem to be recognized. I run lspci and nothing with sata in it comes up, the only thing I can figure it might e is a pci bridge from pericom semiconductor unknown device 8401. The hard drive seems to be warm, so I think the power cable is OK, but I don't have any idea why t

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acr:

p?

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onewheelskyward:

What kind of SATA controller did you purchase?

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acr:

onewheelskyward: a pci one, fom siig

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akifdino_:

i'm getting an error called DBType=QMYSQL3

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akifdino_:

QMYSQL3 driver not loaded

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Anduin:

akifdino_: Do you have the Qt mysql driver installed?

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akifdino_:

but there are several points that are different now, i had turkish characters in the id3 tags which are not visible anymore in mythmusic plugin

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akifdino_:

does anyone know how the music is beeing streamed if accessed by mythweb?

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gbee:

http

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akifdino_:

gbee: but it doesnt work

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juski:

hey hey

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akifdino_:

juski: good morning

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rsdvd:

Howdy Juski

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akifdino_:

hi all

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juski:

hi Jonboy

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gbee:

akifdino_: the music files must be in a location accessible by mythweb

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juski:

:-P

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Ruleke:

ello huski

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Ruleke:

err juski ;)

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rsdvd:

lol – husky :-)

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juski:

shhh .. huski is my 'other' persona.. the weekend one

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akifdino_:

gbee: well at least it can see it, the music files are all in mythtv user home directory

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Ruleke:

ok hun ;)

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juski:

so now I'm a marauding invader?!

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Ruleke:

:)

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Ruleke:

yes it hurt too

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rsdvd:

akifdino_ : if they are delivered by http – they will need to available to apache – and the home directories probably are not

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akifdino_:

gbee: where do they have to be, maybe i could make a link to it?

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gbee:

akifdino_: you'll need to create a symlink from the mythweb install to the music – in data/

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Ruleke:

or the www group or whatever

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akifdino_:

gbee: where exactly in mythweb install?

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gbee:

in the data/ folder, create a symlink called music to the music directory

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akifdino_:

there is a link in mythweb/data but still it doesn't work, also the gorup is www-data which is apaches group

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akifdino_:

ahhhh

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akifdino_:

cool

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akifdino_:

it works

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akifdino_:

very well

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Ruleke:

hurrah

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akifdino_:

the new mythweb is cool!

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rsdvd:

new mythweb? has it been updated?

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akifdino_:

i used the svn version

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akifdino_:

and had 0.20 from a debian package before

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rsdvd:

ok.....need to get round to trying svn

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Ruleke:

yeah it's all ajax-like or some other buzzword :)

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Ruleke:

I'm not going to run svn head again, but am very curious. wish there were some screenshots somewhere

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rsdvd:

lol......does anyone have a 'live demo' of the svn version? would be nice to see what it looks like?

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akifdino_:

i've several videos which are mostly in two parts, now they appear also as two files in the video gallery (2 cds) how do you guys manage this? concatenating?

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juski:

I tried it out the other week – was v. spiffy

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Ruleke:

maybe I'll just search google for a mythweb that's open ;)

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juski:

akifdino_: er.. don't download warez of your movies?

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akifdino_:

mine is open at the moment ;-)

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Ruleke:

akifdino_: you can hide one and toggle the 'play next file' thing

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akifdino_:

juski: how you mean?

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akifdino_:

Ruleke: hide? in the video manger?

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Ruleke:

yep

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akifdino_:

ok

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Ruleke:

then you can select the second to 'play next always' after the first

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Ruleke:

or something

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Ruleke:

my memory is vague

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juski:

I mean don't download illegal copies of movies damnit

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juski:

naughty!

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akifdino_:

juski: no, they are all old movies.

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Ruleke:

hehe still copyrighted

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Ruleke:

kinda weird how recording differs from downloading though

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Ruleke:

with dvb it doesn't really :P

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akifdino_:

ohhh i see, god o god, i never thought about this

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Ruleke:

what if I use my dvb card as a modem ? ;)

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rsdvd:

akifdino_ : you really should password protect your mythweb :-)

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akifdino_:

rsdvd: yes sure, it is just installed half an hour, so give me a couple of minutes

[10:46:42]

** Ruleke messes with some channels of akifdino_ **

[10:47:23]

rsdvd:

akifdino_ : I hope there is nothing embarassing in your 'recorded peogrammes'

[10:47:31]

Ruleke:

akifdino_: that's the svn version ? what changed ?

[10:47:33]

akifdino_:

Ruleke: you could but i still do not have any tv cards

[10:47:34]

juski:

a couple of minutes is all it takes to screw up a myth box :)

[10:47:53]

akifdino_:

juski: ok, i stopped apache

[10:47:54]

juski:

muhahahaha

[10:47:57]

Ruleke:

hehe "arte" as only channel... how cultured ;)

[10:47:57]

juski:

MUHAHAHAHAHA

[10:48:16]

Ruleke:

akifdino_: works fine still ;)

[10:48:38]

Ruleke:

aww now it stopped

[10:48:39]

Ruleke:

:P

[10:48:40]

akifdino_:

Ruleke: hehehe, no it stopped, it is a small processor

[10:48:48]

akifdino_:

and i'm an old man

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akifdino_:

;-) god no, i'm joking

[10:49:03]

Ruleke:

not much to see without data in it :-/

[10:49:13]

Ruleke:

the search thing looks different

[10:49:15]

akifdino_:

Ruleke: i would trust you guys

[10:49:28]

akifdino_:

Ruleke: do you want to see it, shall i open it again for you?

[10:49:29]

Ruleke:

that's a mistake :)

[10:49:32]

juski:

yeah we're trustworthy, but some people aren;t!

[10:49:48]

Ruleke:

akifdino_: not sure what changed and if I can see the differences without program data

[10:50:11]

Ruleke:

no matter

[10:50:38]

akifdino_:

there i like the music and video solution a lot, i do not have a card since juski didn't tell me what to buy ;-)

[10:50:54]

akifdino_:

joking

[10:51:04]

Ruleke:

ah the music part didn't work yet

[10:51:12]

Ruleke:

:)

[10:51:14]

akifdino_:

no it works well now

[10:51:20]

akifdino_:

it was just a matter of permissions

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Ruleke:

must've clicked it when you were shutting ;Ã )

[10:51:28]

akifdino_:

as it is mostly my own mistake

[10:51:35]

juski:

akifdino_: I didn't tell you what card to buy because I don't want to be blamed

[10:51:47]

akifdino_:

you will probaply not be interested in my music, but if you wish i can open it

[10:51:47]

Ruleke:

card ? analog or digital ?

[10:52:05]

juski:

Ruleke: he's after a dvb-c tuner

[10:52:05]

akifdino_:

juski: no, i wouldn't blame you. it would be my own mistake if.

[10:52:09]

Ruleke:

ah

[10:52:20]

akifdino_:

Ruleke: i would take a digital one since i do have digital cable here

[10:52:24]

Ruleke:

I recommend the technotrend C1500

[10:52:34]

Ruleke:

digital cable here too

[10:52:39]

akifdino_:

cool

[10:52:45]

akifdino_:

where are you Ruleke ?

[10:52:48]

Ruleke:

belgium

[10:53:05]

akifdino_:

cool, i've spend more than 4 years in brussels, denderleew

[10:53:07]

juski:

I recommend an ATI foobar tinwinny tunery cardicle with multiple wobbulated thingies

[10:53:29]

akifdino_:

juski: what is this? foobar? god no? you are joking

[10:53:37]

Ruleke:

kung foo

[10:53:52]

akifdino_:

foo/bar

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quicksilver:

all but one of my wobbulated thingies broke

[10:54:00]

akifdino_:

Ruleke: where are you in belgium?

[10:54:08]

quicksilver:

I don't know whether to be angry, or relieved that they didn't all break

[10:54:10]

Ruleke:

antwerp, work in brussels

[10:54:17]

Ruleke:

right now I'm in Brussels :)

[10:54:20]

rsdvd:

surely foobar should be fubar!

[10:54:31]

akifdino_:

where in brussels do you work? antwerpen is a wonderful city

[10:54:36]

Ruleke:

rsdvd: only if the foo doesn't bar

[10:54:43]

Ruleke:

akifdino_: Zaventem

[10:54:47]

akifdino_:

airport

[10:54:54]

Ruleke:

yep

[10:54:54]

rsdvd:

lol......then it is definatly fubar'd

[10:54:58]

akifdino_:

near vilvoorde?

[10:55:10]

akifdino_:

rsdvd: no it is foo/bar

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juski:

I thought it was actually *fubar* ;)

[10:56:43]

juski:

as in **cked up beyond all recognition ;)

[10:56:54]

akifdino_:

Ruleke: can the c1500 do hardware decoding/encoding?

[10:57:03]

akifdino_:

sure it must

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rsdvd:

juski : exactly – from Lethal Weapon

[10:57:24]

juski:

you don't need hardware ENcoding on a dvb tuner

[10:57:32]

juski:

the TV is already encoded!

[10:57:43]

akifdino_:

sure

[10:57:53]

juski:

you also don't want hardware DEcoding since mythtv doesn't support it

[10:58:06]

juski:

if you want that, use VDR instead

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akifdino_:

the stream comes from cable digital and mythtvs player decodes it, doen't it?

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juski:

prettry much

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akifdino:

sorry

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Ruleke:

akifdino : not sure what you mean

[11:00:17]

Ruleke:

akifdino: the mpeg stream is just filtered out of the mux and saved, to oversimplify :)

[11:00:30]

akifdino:

ok

[11:01:39]

Ruleke:

hehe let me type juski ;)

[11:01:41]

juski:

since VDR is the only app that can make use of the features

[11:01:58]

Ruleke:

well it also does hardware filtering etc

[11:02:08]

Ruleke:

but for the playback thingy, yeah vdr

[11:02:30]

Ruleke:

sounds interesting to do pseudo-embedded dvb solutions though

[11:02:41]

Ruleke:

I've used it on my p2–300 backend

[11:02:45]

akifdino:

ohh god, whithin those couple of minutes i had my webserver open apart of some english and belgium friends also google robot did catch me.puhh

[11:02:59]

juski:

for 'embedded' I read 'crap looking' ;)

[11:03:15]

Ruleke:

nah I read small and low power myself

[11:03:21]

juski:

no neon-wide UI ! :(

[11:03:24]

Ruleke:

done some nice passive epia myth too

[11:03:28]

Ruleke:

meh...

[11:03:41]

akifdino:

Ruleke: which epia bords did you use for it?

[11:03:42]

juski:

my frontend is 100% passive

[11:03:50]

juski:

epia m10000

[11:04:03]

Ruleke:

I have abotu 5 running all over the place

[11:04:17]

juski:

remove the original CPU heatsink/fan & replace it with a zalman northbridge cooler ;)

[11:04:26]

Ruleke:

m10k m2–12k and m6k-e or what are they called

[11:04:35]

Ruleke:

juski: still needs airflow

[11:04:38]

juski:

or get a T-Online S100 set top box PC

[11:04:48]

juski:

Ruleke: mine's fine without a fan

[11:04:55]

Ruleke:

tried loadtesting it ?

[11:05:12]

juski:

why'd I want to load the cpu unneccessarily?

[11:05:22]

akifdino:

has anyone have a 7 inch lcd display attached to his device?

[11:05:26]

Ruleke:

to check the cooler performance

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akifdino:

apart of the monitor i mean?

[11:05:40]

juski:

Ruleke: cpu usage is never higher than 50% during use

[11:05:53]

Ruleke:

I've had some bugs that caused high cpu here

[11:06:02]

akifdino:

how can this be solved? there would be a second grafik controler needed, whouldn't it?

[11:06:03]

Ruleke:

some loop in something

[11:06:22]

Ruleke:

akifdino : independant image or 'cloned' ?

[11:06:30]

juski:

akifdino: lame idea IMHO. those HTPC cases with built in monitors.. I mean *F* *F* *S* !!

[11:06:32]

akifdino:

independant

[11:06:46]

Ruleke:

I agree with juski it's a bit ott...

[11:07:04]

Ruleke:

I considered a 2-line 20char lcd with some buttons though

[11:07:06]

akifdino:

it is just an idea if you which to listen to music, you could have a small monitor

[11:07:11]

Ruleke:

even decided against that :/

[11:07:22]

juski:

mythmusic isn't suited to er.. listening to music

[11:07:35]

akifdino:

a 2 line character display with those hd448xxx controler would be ok aswell sure

[11:07:44]

akifdino:

juski: why not?

[11:08:03]

juski:

import a few thousand tracks into your music library then you'll see why not

[11:08:21]

akifdino:

juski: i do have some hundred or over tousend

[11:08:51]

juski:

it's hopeless for searching/navigating/making playlists...

[11:08:53]

Ruleke:

juski: I just did :/

[11:09:00]

Ruleke:

juski: imported 12000 tracks

[11:09:02]

juski:

looks terrible too

[11:09:06]

Ruleke:

and yes, I own all cds

[11:09:14]

akifdino:

hahha

[11:09:23]

akifdino:

what can be done instead?

[11:09:33]

akifdino:

is there a better alternative conserning music?

[11:09:42]

gbee:

juski: how would you improve it, or what would you cite as a good example of hardware/software players?

[11:10:13]

Ruleke:

I suppose if you would export it to upnp you could use a decent upnp capable player

[11:10:22]

juski:

I've yet to see what I'd call a good example

[11:10:25]

juski:

XBMC is close

[11:10:30]

gbee:

playlist management that is, I know mythmusic can be made to look better

[11:10:47]

juski:

too much screen space is wasted IMHO

[11:10:56]

juski:

bins for this that & the other

[11:11:10]

gbee:

I'm just fishing for ideas on what I can do to make the playlist management better – I've already got an idea to redesign the playlist management screen

[11:11:16]

juski:

I'd like to see a gallery view of album art

[11:11:19]

akifdino:

xbmc? what is it

[11:11:25]

juski:

xbmc media center

[11:11:26]

Ruleke:

ala itunes ?

[11:11:49]

Ruleke:

juski: you mean xbox media center ? :P

[11:11:51]

gbee:

juski: that's one idea which I think I've discussed here or was it in the dev channel...

[11:12:54]

akifdino:

juski: is it based on linux?

[11:13:05]

juski:

xbmc isn't based on linux

[11:13:14]

gbee:

Ruleke: I'm imagining the playlist management screen offering ~5 top level options, Artist, Album, Songs, Genre and directory

[11:13:38]

juski:

I've already mentioned stuff I think would improve mythmusic before

[11:14:04]

juski:

even something as simple as when you select an item, move the cursor to the next item – that'd save a lot of time in the long run

[11:14:15]

gbee:

juski: you probably I have, I can't remember who said what but I've got most of it stored at the back of my mind :)

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juski:

I made a mockup video of a 'gallery' view for mythmusic a while ago

[11:16:12]

akifdino:

does anyone know what happened to the photo theme in the wiki?

[11:16:23]

juski:

the improvements I've thought about wouldn't just improve mythmusic though

[11:16:29]

juski:

akifdino: that lame old thing? it died

[11:16:39]

akifdino:

the link is broken in the wiki

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juski:

it looked gash anyway, the 'photo' theme IMHO

[11:18:58]

akifdino:

who is maintaining syth-lacquer this theme does not show the entered values if you are looking for imdb informations

[11:20:58]

juski:

that's not the theme's fault

[11:21:23]

juski:

anyway it's jams you want to speak to about that theme

[11:21:36]

juski:

prolly says so on the website where you got it

[11:21:38]

akifdino:

juski: is there a workaround?

[11:21:41]

juski:

or in a readme file

[11:21:50]

juski:

no idea

[11:25:25]

juski:

if I was in a cruel mood I'd just say to use a different theme :-P

[11:25:33]

juski:

like one of mine!

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akifdino:

juski: which one?

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rsdvd:

akifdino : blootube-wide is the best theme IMHO (and one of Juski's)

[11:26:40]

rsdvd:

but make sure you have enough memory :-)

[11:26:46]

akifdino:

yes i know it, it is really good

[11:26:47]

juski:

you need at least 1GB RAM to use it

[11:26:56]

akifdino:

i do have 768mb

[11:27:06]

juski:

anyway that one sucks IMHO

[11:27:11]

juski:

it's all about neon-wide now

[11:27:31]

akifdino:

juski: when was the last release of this theme?

[11:27:44]

juski:

I don't know/care

[11:27:58]

akifdino:

i thought it is your theme?

[11:28:01]

juski:

yeah

[11:28:08]

juski:

read the README.txt

[11:28:13]

juski:

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[11:28:30]

juski:

or the webpage, dickweed

[11:29:16]

akifdino:

not juski.co.uk?

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juski:

unless you got it from packages – I have no control over them

[11:29:51]

akifdino:

no i'm going to download it from you site

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gbee:

juski: heh, running it on a fe/be with 512Mb

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gbee:

I could probably downscale the watermarks though, don't know how well that would work out but they are only being displayed on a 720x576 screen

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juski:

they wouldn't take up any less ram even if you do

[11:32:26]

juski:

since myth downscales em already :)

[11:32:37]

LLyric:

Oooh, nice theme

[11:32:40]

gbee:

yeah err hmm

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juski:

unless you just downsize em full-stop, but then it'd just look weird

[11:33:11]

juski:

that's why I made the 'lite' version

[11:33:31]

LLyric:

I wish I could get my stoopid card to output HD nicely :(

[11:34:01]

Trentster:

Hey all, I am using knoppmyth R5D1, I want to get my system to change channels of my sattelite box, using the built in ir transmitter that came with the hauppauge pvr-150, I want to know if it can do this out of the box or do i need to patch drivers etc, can any1 help and assist with pointing me in thr right direction?

[11:34:53]

gbee:

well it works well enough with 512Mb

[11:35:14]

juski:

gbee: didn't work with my ram-minimyth & 512MB, even at 720x576 :(

[11:35:30]

juski:

I'm using neon-wide now so I couldn't care ;)

[11:35:51]

gbee:

I've been using it for 4 months or more now without any complaints :)

[11:36:22]

juski:

still needs a few tweaks I might get around to doing one bored Sunday

[11:37:28]

akifdino:

juski: the font vera is included in the blootube-osd, do i need to copy it anywhere else? or is it using system font?

[11:37:39]

juski:

oh bugger

[11:37:47]

juski:

just remembered about those changes to mythmusic

[11:38:42]

LLyric:

Broke your rpm? :)

[11:38:44]

LLyric:

Mine too

[11:41:06]

Ruleke:

Trentster: www.mysettopbox.tv, check the forums

[11:41:40]

Trentster:

Ruleke, I am on there at the moment....battling to find correct info...but thanks anyway

[11:41:56]

Ruleke:

pretty sure someone described it in there

[11:42:07]

Ruleke:

look for irblaster posts iirc

[11:42:27]

Ruleke:

I stopped using knoppmyth anyways since it stopped working on epia

[11:42:33]

Ruleke:

so sorry :/

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juski:

why the guy who patched mythmusic couldn't have taken my suggestion on board I don't know.

[11:44:27]

juski:

damn egos

[11:44:34]

Trentster:

Ruleke, thanks man.....did r5e50 stop working on epia, as I also had major issues with it on a couple of systems.

[11:44:42]

Trentster:

Ruleke, what are you using now?

[11:45:17]

Ruleke:

debian

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Ruleke:

Trentster: first issue I had was with r5e50

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gbee:

juski: ?

[11:48:38]

juski:

gbee: that button change in mythmusic

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juski:

:(((((

[11:48:46]

juski:

forgot all about it

[11:49:53]

gbee:

oh right, well hasn't been applied yet

[11:50:06]

juski:

no? phew!

[11:50:22]

juski:

thought it was a done deal

[11:50:25]

gbee:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2935

[11:50:49]

gbee:

now I didn't say it wasn't, but it's not committed :[

[11:51:30]

juski:

seen as I care so much maybe I could implement it *properly*

[11:51:37]

gbee:

I'm holding off in case someone comes up with an idea ... brb doorbell

[11:54:48]

gbee:

juski: I'd be happy to give you a hand, I've just been a little too busy to do it myself

[11:55:05]

juski:

deal :)

[11:55:14]

gbee:

well new tuner has arrived

[11:55:29]

juski:

I have a vested interest in making sure outside parties don't break themes ;)

[11:55:43]

gbee:

stuff working, I'm going to get it installed

[11:55:50]

juski:

heheh

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gbee:

brilliant, bring the backend back up and it runs a fsck

[12:03:57]

akifdino:

Ruleke: the technotrend c1500 is unfortunately not deliverable

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juski:

mine normally does that since I never got around to tuning it or whatever

[12:10:19]

gbee:

been too long since I last setup a tuner, can't remember what needs to be done

[12:10:55]

juski:

how new is the tuner?

[12:11:07]

juski:

if there's no device, prolly just needs a module loading

[12:11:21]

juski:

lspci will give clues as to which module you need

[12:11:40]

gbee:

module should be loaded, the cards identical to the one already in there

[12:11:45]

juski:

ah

[12:13:33]

juski:

just looking at that patch now

[12:14:02]

juski:

should be possible to hard-code the change without having to change the xml file. messy-liscious though

[12:14:49]

juski:

hang on was there even any need to change the UItype?

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** dustybin does a bit of mythweb programming **

[12:15:57]

dustybin:

arghhhhhhhhhh after all this effort getting mythtv working there is nothing worth recording arghhghghghghhgh

[12:16:00]

juski:

think I might need to have a look at some Qt

[12:16:29]

gbee:

juski: if the widget currently used can remember it's state then probably not – but I don't know if that's the case

[12:18:32]

gardengnome:

re

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rsdvd:

hello gardengnome

[12:19:01]

gardengnome:

hey rsdvd

[12:21:10]

rsdvd:

gardengnome : any more tests today?

[12:21:23]

juski:

wb gardengnome

[12:21:50]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: likely. i've got some things to fix first. darn real life

[12:22:21]

gbee:

oh shitty drivers, after seeing the first card it loads the v4l2 drivers, which cause the second card to be seen differently

[12:22:39]

juski:

I can see why you say he shouldn't have used the checkbox class, gbee ;)

[12:23:08]

rsdvd:

gardengnome : you have a real life – I thought we were just words on a screen – you have other things to do

[12:23:09]

juski:

I'm gonna have a go fixing this, this week

[12:23:26]

juski:

real life?! wossat then?

[12:24:27]

gbee:

why it's yet to be committed, I haven't looked closely enough at it yet

[12:25:05]

juski:

I think it might not be beyond me

[12:25:24]

juski:

another chance to learn the coding.. muhahahah

[12:26:22]

juski:

I might make the 'move cursor to next item after an item has been selected' patch while I'm at it. how hard can it be?

[12:27:16]

gbee:

juski: that one is a little harder – the playlist tree/node stuff is umm, complicated

[12:27:17]

juski:

mythgallery still needs a change to allow a background theme element aswell.. tick-tock-tick...

[12:27:55]

gbee:

juski: thought Anduin had committed that? or was that mythvideo?

[12:28:03]

juski:

that was mythvideo

[12:28:10]

juski:

the status ui page also needs it

[12:28:38]

juski:

I don't mind looking into it – just finding motivation – that's the key

[12:29:46]

akifdino:

can mythmusic show pictures as covers?

[12:29:47]

juski:

I think mythgallery is still segfaulting instead of printing errors about missing theme elements though – and from what I've seen of the code there's nothing obviously complex going on so wth it crashes is a mystery – it *looks* sensible (at least to me)

[12:31:58]

juski:

wooo.. "bool toggleButton

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juski:

This property holds whether the button is a toggle button. "

[12:39:37]

gbee:

must have been a minor difference between the two cards, one insists on using the cx88-blackbird driver

[12:39:46]

** gbee goes to see if it actually works **

[12:41:08]

gbee:

hmm, no – thinks it's an analogue device

[12:41:13]

gbee:

bugger

[12:41:41]

Ruleke:

akifdino: sorry I was afk...

[12:43:16]

Ruleke:

akifdino: I always used dvbshop.net...

[12:45:04]

akifdino:

Ruleke: but they don't have it anymore i found one called zarsen in dresden germany

[12:45:26]

akifdino:

i did order it, all inclusive 85euro

[12:45:36]

Ruleke:

need a CI too ?

[12:45:42]

akifdino:

yes

[12:45:47]

akifdino:

but i didn't order it

[12:45:54]

akifdino:

yet

[12:45:55]

Ruleke:

heh :)

[12:46:07]

Ruleke:

well I'm using a CI / CAM myself :)

[12:46:41]

akifdino:

i was joking yesterday, it isn't that important, i'm just a bit angry because our local cable provider wants 10 euros/month for 5 foreign tv channels additionally

[12:46:53]

Ruleke:

could be worse

[12:47:05]

gardengnome:

akifdino: would that be kabel deutschland? ;)

[12:47:10]

akifdino:

yes

[12:47:20]

gardengnome:

akifdino: heh. thought so.

[12:47:25]

akifdino:

gardengnome: correct, kabel deutschland in the north of germany

[12:47:30]

Ruleke:

some regions in belgium are locked to an STB, and get this... they charge a monthly fee if you want to use the "pause" functionality... good thing I'm not in that region..

[12:47:43]

gardengnome:

i want kabel deutschland to burn in hell. bunch of suckers.

[12:48:06]

akifdino:

gardengnome: yes, me too, and did you know that it takes a year in order to get off the contract?

[12:48:55]

gardengnome:

akifdino: i've just signed up for their internet plan *shrug*

[12:49:07]

akifdino:

ohh no gardengnome don't

[12:49:16]

akifdino:

steal it

[12:49:25]

akifdino:

ohh god, sorry juski i didn't want to say that

[12:49:32]

akifdino:

;)

[12:50:08]

juski:

gbee: maybe some module blacklisting is in order ;)

[12:50:09]

gardengnome:

akifdino: i once phoned them up to get a smartcard. you know, their digital FREE stuff. they need me to get their set top box as well, including their kabel digital home plan that'll cost me a bunch of money if i don't cancel it.

[12:50:10]

Ruleke:

pfff DRM stuff just drives people to download :P

[12:50:30]

Trentster:

any1 here using knoppmyth and a cable box and can help me out?

[12:50:37]

gbee:

juski: tried that, but I'll keep playing until I get the right result :)

[12:50:41]

akifdino:

gardengnome: yes and i have a smartcard from them for which they don't know the pin

[12:50:43]

Ruleke:

Trentster: #knoppmyth

[12:50:59]

Trentster:

Ruleke, thanks

[12:51:04]

akifdino:

Ruleke: YES, absolutely correct

[12:51:16]

akifdino:

Ruleke: but just download, nothing more,

[12:51:16]

gardengnome:

akifdino: there's also #mythtv-de for german users

[12:51:29]

akifdino:

yes, i know, those guys are ok aswell

[12:51:32]

gardengnome:

akifdino: i even bought a CI + CAM. i yet have to make it work.. :/

[12:52:01]

Ruleke:

I was suprised how easy it was to get the CAM/Smartcard to work... I was expecting pin code stuff and such...

[12:52:25]

Ruleke:

gbee: is it a hybrid card ?

[12:52:31]

gardengnome:

Ruleke: i can disable the PIN on my alphacrypt

[12:52:42]

Ruleke:

alphacrypt here too

[12:53:06]

gardengnome:

Ruleke: yep, gnutv -cammenu will do that for you

[12:53:41]

FunkyELF:

hey guys, how do I know if my MythTV box will be okay for the new daylight savings time changes that are gonna happen?

[12:53:49]

gbee:

Ruleke: no

[12:54:00]

Ruleke:

ok just checking

[12:54:25]

Ruleke:

what are you running ? vanilla kernel ? what version ?

[12:54:35]

juski:

haha crazy Bush & his early DST changes... what a muppet

[12:54:47]

Ruleke:

makes me giggle

[12:54:48]

gbee:

2.6.17.7

[12:54:58]

FunkyELF:

well its supposed to save energy

[12:55:06]

gardengnome:

uh

[12:55:07]

gbee:

going to try removing the old card, see what happens

[12:55:08]

FunkyELF:

not that I support Bush or anything

[12:55:13]

gardengnome:

bush wants to save energy? ROTFL

[12:55:58]

Ruleke:

gbee: bit old tbh... I've had similar things until I upgraded to v4l-dvb hg ... most is merged now though in 2.6.20

[12:57:45]

gbee:

Ruleke: the old card was fine under 2.6.14, as the next

[12:58:04]

Ruleke:

oh they are identical ?

[12:58:09]

Ruleke:

which driver ?

[12:58:12]

gbee:

yeah

[12:58:24]

Ruleke:

sorry I wasn't really following the conv. :-P

[12:58:38]

juski:

if he wans to save energy why not just convert all the humvees in the army to electric power? ;)

[12:59:07]

Ruleke:

juski: how about just not using them unless there's a reason to :P

[12:59:41]

gbee:

cx88-dvb, saa7134-dvb

[13:00:20]

juski:

2.6.20 is the 'current' kernel?!

[13:00:29]

Ruleke:

2.6.20.1, yes

[13:00:39]

juski:

heheh how fast that stuff moves along...

[13:01:00]

Ruleke:

gbee: erm... two ?

[13:03:20]

Ruleke:

gbee: so they are NOT identical ?

[13:03:24]

gbee:

frontend/backend drivers

[13:03:43]

gbee:

card has two chips, the tuner and the frontend

[13:04:06]

Ruleke:

neither of those is a tuner driver iirc

[13:04:18]

Ruleke:

or am I mistaking about the cx88 ?

[13:09:12]

Ruleke:

frontend is like the mt352 or tda1004x or whatever afaict

[13:13:43]

gbee:

remembered incorrectly the sa7134 is the one for the Nova-T card I used to have in this box

[13:18:19]

gbee:

bah, cards are apparently different even though they are, on the surface, identical

[13:18:30]

gbee:

trying a newer kernel

[13:19:28]

Ruleke:

yep

[13:19:32]

Ruleke:

that's the issue I had too

[13:19:35]

Ruleke:

revision change

[13:19:43]

Ruleke:

new kernel / v4l solved it

[13:22:10]

gbee:

can't seem to find which drivers I actually do want, might have to be some trial and error

[13:23:16]

Ruleke:

lspci :Ã )

[13:23:33]

Ruleke:

grr darn keyboard

[13:24:20]

gbee:

heh, yeah but doesn't tell me much – Conexant CX23880

[13:24:44]

gbee:

that appears to be used for both analogue and digital cards and I need the dvb drivers

[13:24:49]

akifdino:

i've enabled htdigest for mythweb, but now the music does not play on my local machine since it requires authentification. is there a way on avoiding this?

[13:25:10]

akifdino:

i mean streaming it over the net through http

[13:28:56]

Ruleke:

gbee: that should be the cx88-dvb then

[13:29:37]

gbee:

yeah – not working

[13:29:47]

rsdvd:

akifdino : you can use apache to only require http-digest for particular IP ranges

[13:29:49]

gbee:

but I'm checking what options this kernel was compiled with

[13:30:38]

Ruleke:

should work on a recent kernel

[13:30:51]

Ruleke:

you might not want to bother with dvb_fe_customise

[13:31:01]

Ruleke:

don't select that

[13:31:14]

Ruleke:

otehrwise you indeed have to _know_ and select the frontend

[13:32:21]

akifdino:

rsdvd: ohh

[13:33:18]

akifdino:

rsdvd: but i wonder how to give the userinformation to the player. will it be this way password@host.foo.bar" rel="nofollow">http://username:password@host.foo.bar ?

[13:33:50]

rsdvd:

depends on what player you are using – that is 'stnadard' http auth syntax

[13:34:05]

akifdino:

winamp actually on this computer here

[13:34:28]

rsdvd:

You are better jsut sealing off your mythweb from the real world then you can remove the auth stuff.....unless you want to be able to connect from elsewhere

[13:34:41]

Ruleke:

I prefer to ssh tunnel it all :P

[13:34:52]

akifdino:

would be nice

[13:34:52]

rsdvd:

much better idea!

[13:35:03]

akifdino:

i could stream all stuff onto my mobiel phone

[13:36:24]

Ruleke:

or just do proper TLS with cert auth

[13:36:39]

Ruleke:

but I'm too lazy to do that

[13:37:00]

Ruleke:

or just passwd auth if you want access from any pc ... I don't like that though

[13:37:26]

akifdino:

apache says wrong authentication scheme 'basic' when i try it with the standard way as described above

[13:53:56]

fryfrog:

Does anyone know of a good, free hex editor (windows or linux)?

[13:57:00]

akifdino:

biew

[14:00:10]

quicksilver:

fryfrog: apt-cache search hex | grep editor suggests a few possibilities

[14:00:55]

quicksilver:

fryfrog: ghex, hexcurse, hexer, khexedit, beav, biew

[14:01:14]

AMD-:

hi can any one have a look at my paste bin ....i cant seem to start the backend http://pastebin.ca/383572

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fryfrog:

quicksilver: ah, duh thanks :)

[14:08:00]

quicksilver:

fryfrog: np :)

[14:08:57]

akifdino:

AMD-: i'm not an expert but you should get a bit more logging

[14:10:02]

gurft:

It's a sad day at my house :( Looks like I lost the boot drive on my myth box

[14:10:09]

fryfrog:

doh

[14:10:12]

gurft:

hindsight being 20/20 The database was on that drive and I dont' have a backup...

[14:10:14]

akifdino:

oho

[14:10:37]

gurft:

once i rebuild it, is there any way to get my shows back into the DB?

[14:10:58]

gurft:

or should I try to just watch them with mythvideo until I've seen them all or rerecorded them?

[14:11:28]

AMD-:

akifdino: you want /var/log/mythtv ?

[14:11:30]

adante:

i believe there is a script for that gurft

[14:11:52]

fryfrog:

gurft: you can use uh, mythrename?

[14:11:55]

fryfrog:

or, something

[14:11:58]

akifdino:

AMD-: yes, maybe someone here can help you if you have more information

[14:11:58]

fryfrog:

but yeah its possible

[14:12:31]

AMD-:

but tha paste bin i gave is so clear

[14:12:34]

gurft:

I think mythrename depends on there being a database there...

[14:12:43]

fryfrog:

oh, well prolly

[14:12:49]

fryfrog:

there is a script that does what you want though :)

[14:12:53]

fryfrog:

its in ./contrib i think

[14:12:57]

fryfrog:

been a while since i used it

[14:13:06]

gurft:

which I don't have. I just have the media files. I think I'm going to have to suck it up and just figure out what's what and use mythvd.

[14:13:06]

AMD-:

some things you really just have to do you self

[14:13:12]

akifdino:

AMD-: yes, but i was looking through a german mailing list and there someone was missing xmltv and had the same problem

[14:13:28]

gurft:

Today's project is get things back up and running again.... or the wife will murder me. Heaven forbid we miss an episode of Lost, The Hills, or Modern Marvels....

[14:13:36]

AMD-:

akifdino:i dont use it thou

[14:13:41]

adante:

gurft: yes, i mean i thought there was a script that would, given only the media files, reinsert corresponding dummy entries into the database

[14:14:08]

AMD-:

i did try it ie installed it and it did not work

[14:14:44]

gurft:

Ahh, FOUND IT!

[14:14:47]

gurft:

myth.rebuilddatabase.pl

[14:14:50]

gurft:

w00t!

[14:15:42]

gurft:

Alright, off to the computer megamart for a new drive and the rebuild can begin...

[14:15:47]

gurft:

Anyone running the latest CVS version?

[14:15:55]

gurft:

or have a recommended version. My last build was on 0.19....

[14:16:03]

AMD-:

http://pastebin.ca/383588

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AMD-:

also mythtv works if i just type mythtvbackend on the terminal

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akifdino:

AMD-: so then try starting mythfrontend

[14:18:37]

adante:

gurft: running 12504 its been quite good

[14:18:49]

seppl:

Hello, can you recommend a dual DVB-T card?

[14:19:12]

gurft:

how do I pull that specific version from CVS?

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AMD-:

Restarting MythTV server: mythbackendNo /usr/bin/mythbackend found running; none killed.

[14:19:33]

juski_:

gurft: just restore your backup – no probs!

[14:19:47]

gurft:

that'd be great.... if I had a backup :(

[14:19:54]

akifdino:

AMD-: mhh, yes but you also want the frontend running

[14:19:55]

** juski_ laughs **

[14:19:56]

gurft:

i ahve all the shows and videos mirrored

[14:20:02]

gurft:

but forgot the DB.....

[14:20:04]

gurft:

<-- doh!

[14:20:09]

Ruleke:

backups is for pessimists eh ? :)

[14:20:26]

Ruleke:

who needs backups if you have a mirror eh ? hehe

[14:20:32]

AMD-:

yes but every time i want to use mythtv i have to type on a terminal

[14:20:33]

akifdino:

Ruleke: no better for optimists

[14:20:43]

Zider:

screw backup, I have photographic memory ;)

[14:20:48]

juski_:

backups are for pessimists, realists & pedants :)

[14:20:48]

gurft:

LOL

[14:20:49]

akifdino:

AMD-: yes, why not, you could also start it during runtime

[14:20:51]

Ruleke:

stupid thing is, there is no easy and cheap way for a decent backup in the consumer space

[14:20:53]

juski_:

(like me)

[14:20:58]

AMD-:

how

[14:21:06]

juski_:

just back up your database

[14:21:07]

gurft:

Not with tape media being so expensive.

[14:21:11]

Ruleke:

indeed

[14:21:12]

juski_:

recordings are disposable

[14:21:17]

Pryon:

just get another disk

[14:21:18]

Ruleke:

yeah talking generally

[14:21:23]

Ruleke:

fileserver, even a one-off

[14:21:24]

akifdino:

AMD-: put it into you init files somewhere, i prefere starting it manually

[14:21:48]

Ruleke:

it's amazing how much optical media lag behind storage needs

[14:21:50]

gurft:

i'm thinking database to a usb drive....

[14:21:56]

Ruleke:

in the past a CD was plenty :)

[14:22:08]

gurft:

HA

[14:22:09]

akifdino:

AMD-: you will also want to login with your mythtv user but as far as i remember there is a wiki page for it

[14:22:10]

juski_:

take nightly snapshots of the db to a different drive

[14:22:18]

AMD-:

how can u have a media center pc yet you have to type in termials lol ?

[14:22:30]

juski_:

eh?>

[14:22:36]

juski_:

my cron job does it for me

[14:22:45]

Ruleke:

also, I like terminals :)

[14:22:57]

gurft:

time to implement daily_housekeeping.ksh on my myth box....

[14:22:59]

akifdino:

maybee i should do database dumps aswell, but don't know what for. i do not have any services except music and videos. but my c1500 is comming soon than i'm going to become a pessimist ;)

[14:23:04]

gurft:

hard lessons learned, you hear me god???

[14:23:13]

Ruleke:

akifdino: hehe

[14:23:31]

juski_:

my server isn't in the livingroom cos it's big, ferking ugly & noisy

[14:23:37]

Ruleke:

gurft: bleh I always have to install pdksh too to run my scripts ;)

[14:23:49]

akifdino:

Ruleke: ;) thats how we defined a pessimist

[14:24:09]

Ruleke:

ksh ftw ! :)

[14:24:23]

akifdino:

korn shell i suppose Ruleke

[14:24:43]

Ruleke:

hmm what if I could compile myth on parisc ;)

[14:25:01]

akifdino:

overdose

[14:25:20]

Ruleke:

:-P

[14:25:32]

akifdino:

i wonder why winamp can't do htdigest authentification scheme

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Ruleke:

because digest requires you to hash

[14:25:52]

Ruleke:

probably not implemented

[14:25:56]

gbee:

grr, let's try an even newer kernel then

[14:25:57]

Ruleke:

jus tdo basic plain ;)

[14:26:04]

Ruleke:

then decide you need tls

[14:26:11]

Ruleke:

gbee: what happened ?

[14:26:20]

akifdino:

Ruleke: yes, you are right, but we were to lazy for tls

[14:26:26]

Ruleke:

ah yes

[14:26:29]

Ruleke:

ssh tunnel

[14:26:43]

Ruleke:

one command

[14:26:45]

Ruleke:

be done with it

[14:26:56]

akifdino:

i was planing to give this future to friends, i can not have them use ssh tunnel or vpn

[14:27:08]

Ruleke:

write a batch file :P

[14:27:17]

akifdino:

Ruleke: ;)

[14:27:19]

gbee:

lastest cx88-dvb driver compiled from source wouldn't load

[14:27:41]

gbee:

so I'm trying 2.6.21 instead of 2.6.19

[14:28:23]

gbee:

figure 2.6.21 should include a recent *working* version of cx88-dvb

[14:28:36]

juski_:

it got broked?! wahhh!

[14:28:38]

Ruleke:

yeah but 2.6.21 isn't out

[14:29:00]

gbee:

RC2 is, and that's good enough for me

[14:29:03]

Ruleke:

heh

[14:29:10]

Ruleke:

not for me, I read lkml ;)

[14:29:28]

juski_:

does that mean when it got broken they were working on the api changes? ;)

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juski_:

which might mean faster channel changes?

[14:29:58]

juski_:

cos that being the case, I'd be able to drop cable altogether

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gbee:

right now I'm just concerned with establishing that the card works – after that I can find something more stable

[14:30:13]

Ruleke:

okiÂµ

[14:30:19]

Ruleke:

you have backups right ? :)

[14:31:00]

juski_:

!trout Babybird you're_gormless

[14:31:00]

** MythLogBot slaps Babybird with a you're_gormless trout on behalf of juski_... **

[14:31:09]

gbee:

FATAL: Error inserting cx88_dvb (/lib/modules/2.6.21–0.rc2.1mdv/kernel/drivers/media/video/cx88/cx88-dvb.k o.gz): No such device

[14:31:15]

Ruleke:

I'm not even running 2.6.20 because of the libata changes

[14:31:25]

gbee:

*sigh* same error with 2.6.21

[14:31:31]

Ruleke:

gbee: .gz ?

[14:31:55]

juski_:

gbee: might be time to visit #linuxtv – them is helpful bods there :)

[14:32:00]

Ruleke:

well maybe it isn't the correct module afterall

[14:32:05]

Ruleke:

check the PCI IDs :)

[14:32:40]

juski_:

what make/model card then?

[14:33:47]

Ruleke:

lspci -n, then read the source :)

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gbee:

nope, I'm really struggling here

[14:46:50]

gbee:

0400: 14f1:8800 (rev 05)

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gbee:

http://pastebin.ca/383606

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juski_:

definitely cx88-dvb IMHO

[14:53:51]

gbee:

pulled the cards for a side by side comparison, the chip numbers are all the same and if there is a difference I can't see it

[14:54:15]

gbee:

which leads me to think the new card is broken

[14:55:08]

juski_:

might be something more subtle

[14:55:29]

juski_:

the dvb driver looks in the card's eeprom IIRC – which has been found to be blank

[14:55:43]

juski_:

and that might be leading the driver to think the card is a generic analogue one

[14:55:54]

juski_:

definitely worth speaking to somebody in #linuxtv about it

[14:56:24]

juski_:

does lspci report the same version as the older card?

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Ruleke:

gbee: sec

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gbee:

http://pastebin.ca/383641

[14:58:58]

juski_:

hrm

[14:59:05]

Ruleke:

outputs from diff kernels right ?

[14:59:11]

juski_:

maybe it's faulty then

[14:59:23]

juski_:

oh wait

[14:59:38]

Ruleke:

gbee: lspci -n same ??

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gbee:

same kernel, but both cards aren't in there together

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gbee:

Ruleke: yep

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juski_:

one is being identified as cx88-blackbird

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black_Nightmare:

hey

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gbee:

olds: 0400: 14f1:8800 (rev 05) New: 0400: 14f1:8800 (rev 05)

[15:00:36]

juski_:

maybe the card type has changed in its eeprom so it's not being identified automagically properly

[15:00:55]

slaine_:

Anyone here got a stable minimyth GAR system to hand ?

[15:01:03]

Ruleke:

gbee: even the subsystem, right ?

[15:01:07]

juski_:

maybe try looking in the source to find out what the card type is, then load the module & force the card type – see if that works

[15:01:50]

slaine_:

I'm looking to get the mini-myth kernel config for use as a good base for an EPIA only kernel

[15:02:15]

juski_:

slaine_: what's wrong with asking on linpvr.ogr/forum/ ?

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gbee:

err hang on, messed up a little there

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black_Nightmare:

I've already looked at the mythtv wiki but it still kinda doesn't help with this question so I thought I'll try ask here even if its slight OTanyway: what could be a good inexpensive analog tv tuner (optional video-in too) and supports windows 2K (98se if able but not required)

[15:03:08]

slaine_:

nothing, I've seen plenty of people here use it, so thought that would be quicker to ask than having to sign up to yet another forum etc.

[15:03:26]

black_Nightmare:

<near east canada just for buying note

[15:03:44]

slaine_:

If there's none around then that's what I'll do I guess, or just setup the GAR system

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juski_:

black_Nightmare: why would we care about windows 2000 here?!

[15:04:13]

black_Nightmare:

juski..I said "slight OT" didn't I?

[15:04:33]

black_Nightmare:

btw not my fault the family still has some windows-only softwares to use anyway

[15:04:39]

juski_:

yes it is

[15:04:45]

slaine_:

hehe

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juski_:

if your powers of convincing are so lame it's your fault ;)

[15:04:56]

Ruleke:

gbee: can't find that id in the cx88 source

[15:04:56]

black_Nightmare:

elsewise I could had already suggested bsd (which my one pc has)

[15:05:01]

black_Nightmare:

juski..its not

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juski_:

anyway you'd be lucky to find a card guaranteed to work on win2k these days

[15:05:48]

gbee:

right, I'd not spotted it before but the new card is giving a subsystem

[15:06:01]

juski_:

the driver model has changed immeasurably since windows 2000 :-P

[15:06:20]

gbee:

14f1:8802 is the subsystem

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black_Nightmare:

juski..hmm so I guess I might be better off with finding these older ati tv wonder cards instead of looking for a retail one you think?

[15:06:46]

juski_:

black_Nightmare: maybe, but then I'm not a fan of lamegrabbers either

[15:06:57]

juski_:

you'll never see me recommend a framegrabber(lamegrabber) here

[15:07:25]

Ruleke:

gbee: AAAh... now that makes sense :)

[15:08:43]

gbee:

http://pastebin.ca/383657

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Ruleke:

gbee: can you do a numeric one ?

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Ruleke:

for all cards

[15:09:46]

juski_:

gbee: I'm still sticking by my theory about the eeprom thingy

[15:09:56]

gbee:

sure

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black_Nightmare:

ohhh I see now

[15:10:07]

black_Nightmare:

thanks juski_

[15:10:26]

gbee:

http://pastebin.ca/383664

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black_Nightmare:

the hauppauge ones with hardware encoder are a bit on the $100cad/upward pricetags which is a bit too much for just mainly occassional tv watching .. but I always could wait to jump on an used one on forum if its really suggested so :p

[15:12:11]

juski_:

mythtv is way too much for occasional tv watching

[15:12:28]

Ruleke:

gbee: so the new card doesn't show the mpeg port, right ?

[15:12:39]

gbee:

correct

[15:13:28]

Ruleke:

I'd like to see the numeric subsystem id too

[15:13:44]

Ruleke:

lspci -vn

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black_Nightmare:

juski_ no offense meant for this but I came here since I naturally thought people in here would know about tv/capture cards even if I had no plan to run mythtv. fair enough?

[15:14:53]

gbee:

http://pastebin.ca/383667

[15:15:21]

Ruleke:

ta

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akifdino:

does anyone know if vlc can receive streaming over ssl?

[15:19:34]

Ruleke:

gbee: so the old card works with the newer kernel ? or did you pull it ?

[15:19:41]

Ruleke:

or did it break :)

[15:19:56]

gbee:

old card works with newer kernel

[15:20:12]

gbee:

new card doesn't work with any

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Ruleke:

yeah seems its missing the mpeg port

[15:20:39]

Ruleke:

did you try the new card in the same slot as the old one ?

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gbee:

yeah, moved them around no change

[15:21:45]

Ruleke:

bah

[15:22:02]

Ruleke:

I remember hearing someone with the same thing but I don't remember what it was

[15:22:06]

Ruleke:

let me check my archive :)

[15:22:45]

gbee:

thanks for the help :) really appreciated

[15:23:01]

fryfrog:

in linux, does anyone know how to do the winblows equivalent of "copy /b file+file newfile"?

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gbee:

juski: will try your suggestion in a minute

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black_Nightmare:

juski_ I take it you don't like tv/capture cards that have no hardware encoders onboard right? :p

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gardengnome:

they're next to useless imho

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black_Nightmare:

hehe that figured

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gardengnome:

fryfrog: what does copy /b do?

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Ruleke:

gbee: seems that it's absolutely needed to load the cx88-dvb module only... not the other cx88 stuff

[15:26:59]

Ryushin:

Is there any way to look at the tv listings for 3 days ago?

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Ruleke:

well at least at first

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Ruleke:

if it's a hybrid the others can be loaded later

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Ruleke:

gbee: you have dmesg output ?

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gbee:

tried that, but I'll give it another go

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Ruleke:

just rmmod it all and modprobe it

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gbee:

Ruleke: just rebooted it, give me a minute

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Ruleke:

the boot might oad stuff already so rmmod all the stuff

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gbee:

well I was just about to remove the working card

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gbee:

wasn't rebooting to unload the modules

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Ruleke:

just fyi

[15:30:29]

Ruleke:

just sorta weird that you don't see the mpeg port tbh

[15:30:44]

juski:

I've nothing against tuner cards that don't have hardware encoders – nothing at all. I mean I own 3 DVB-T tuners :-P

[15:30:53]

Ruleke:

either it's broken or there is some bus problem, because even without the driver it should list it

[15:31:43]

fryfrog:

gardengnome: oh, sorry duh. it joins to files together

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fryfrog:

wonder if that'd work

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gbee:

http://pastebin.ca/383687

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gardengnome:

fryfrog: yes.

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gardengnome:

that should work

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juski:

for text files, yes :)

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fryfrog:

yup, that'd do it

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fryfrog:

juski: just worked for binary file :)

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fryfrog:

it was 2 parts of a hex edited file

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gbee:

Ruleke: pretty sure by now that it's broken

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Ruleke:

gbee: but I'm still assuming one is different... ie one is blackbird one isn't

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juski:

ah well that's fine fryfrog – but some folks try & cat 2 AVI files together

[15:33:28]

Ruleke:

gbee: yeah possibly :/

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gbee:

I think it's seeing the card as blackbird because it doesn't see the mpeg part of the card

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Ruleke:

gbee: you didn't select the custom frotnend modules stuff when creating the kernel right ?

[15:34:25]

Ruleke:

actually the blackbird has the mpeg encoder seperately normally

[15:34:30]

Ruleke:

not the other way around :)

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gbee:

well whatever ;)

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gbee:

Ruleke: no

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Ruleke:

that's what I thought

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Ruleke:

might be understanding wrong, the blackbird maybe has the mpeg encoder on the cx chip, Idunno. Don't know the specs

[15:37:45]

Ruleke:

well it should just work, as final test you can pull the old one and double-check http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Cx88 . . . Installation

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Ruleke:

then send the card back if it doesn't work

[15:39:14]

shodan-:

if I transcode my recordings to mp4, will commercial skipping still work ?

[15:39:35]

shodan-:

(even if not as accurate, mythcommflag was run before transcoding)

[15:41:58]

juski:

shodan-: if your cutlists are right, you can chop the adverts out, so you'll no longer need to skip ;)

[15:42:22]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: http://linpvr.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5541#5541

[15:42:26]

akifdino:

how do the mp3 player import, accept ssl certificates?

[15:42:42]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: could you provide the lspci/dmidecode stuff to pablo?

[15:43:24]

juski:

I thought I'd given pablo lspci output already

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Ruleke:

akifdino: they don't :/

[15:43:45]

gbee:

wish I hadn't bought it on ebay now – great if things work, but not if they don't

[15:43:51]

gbee:

I'll probably end up out of pocket whatever happens :/

[15:44:17]

akifdino:

Ruleke: i moved mythweb pages to ssl, but now the player doesn't plays this stuff anymore, what can i do

[15:44:32]

Ruleke:

akifdino: even in you press the link ?

[15:44:59]

akifdino:

yes, it sends a playlist, my player vlc or winamp opens it, but still it doesn't play, connect

[15:45:05]

Ruleke:

gbee: you could always test in windows...

[15:45:17]

Ruleke:

ah yes playlists

[15:45:19]

gbee:

don't have a windows machine

[15:45:24]

Ruleke:

me neither

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juski:

that's funny

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Ruleke:

it's still one of the easiest ways to make sure

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juski:

my dvb-t tuner didn't work in windows at all

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Ruleke:

juski: yeah but you're a vista nutter ;)

[15:46:07]

Ruleke:

hehe

[15:46:17]

juski:

well it did, but certainly not enough to be able to tell if it was a good un

[15:46:29]

Ruleke:

just to see if it's broken

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Ruleke:

it's an easy diagnostic if you have such a box

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juski:

Ruleke: sometimes I wish I hadn't given up my superpowers ;)

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shodan-:

juski, unfortunately they're not good enough to just chop the video without user attention (that would have been a great way to increase my recording capacity by 33%) but since I have 7 hours of video per day I can't check all those cutlists, I need something automatic

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Ruleke:

juski: did that knife next to me just move itself? uhoh

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juski:

it didn't move itself ;)

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Ruleke:

33% ? blimey

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juski:

750GB HDD for under 175GBP these days .. you know what to do

[15:49:12]

Ruleke:

yeah, get the lower model for pennies

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Ruleke:

:)

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juski:

2GB for $20, 200GB for $60.. hmmm which one to buy...

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Ruleke:

2GB ? what's that ? ram disk ? :)

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gbee:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt . . . 270092385676

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juski:

gbee: is that what you bought?

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gbee:

that's it

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juski:

I've got 3 of em – all worky with the cx88-dvb module

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juski:

oops it's the cx88_dvb module

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juski:

it also loads cx88-blackbird erroneously – damn silly udev

[15:52:53]

Ruleke:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythtv_T . . . _Card_Matrix hehe reporter Juski

[15:53:04]

Ruleke:

juski: yeah so it should just work eh

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juski:

just worky (tm)

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Ruleke:

do you see an mpeg port in lspci ?

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juski:

erm...

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|Torg|:

which card is this?

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juski:

which option do I want again?

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Ruleke:

just lspci

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juski:

0000:00:0d.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05)

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juski:

0000:00:0d.2 Multimedia controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [MPEG Port] (rev 05)

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Ruleke:

yer

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Ruleke:

well gbee misses the mpeg part

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juski:

failty :(

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gbee:

LR 6650 – OEM thing by leadtek, also sold under a couple of different names

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Ruleke:

can't remember where is saw the same problem :-/

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juski:

let's do a whois on the seller & kill them

[15:54:58]

juski:

er.. I mean have a word with em

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** Ruleke traces it to Juski **

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Ruleke:

that was your 4th faulty one :P

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gbee:

Ruleke: if you saw someone with the same problem it was probably the same card ;)

[15:56:17]

Ruleke:

possible

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Ruleke:

though iirc it was a pci issue or something

[15:56:33]

Ruleke:

so might've been different

[15:56:41]

Ruleke:

coz you tried a diff slot

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juski:

the self-same card was a bitch to get a glimmer of life out of in windows

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Administrator__:

Hi, I was wondering if anyone could help me, i just installed kormoc's ebuilds of the latest svn and i didnt see an option for mythweb

[15:57:08]

|Torg|:

differnt slots of a motherboard should not make any differnce whatsoever to the card

[15:57:21]

juski:

my money's on the faulty option now gbee – esp. since I found out what card it is

[15:57:23]

|Torg|:

the only expection to that is a pci MB that shares the same input slot as its AGP slot

[15:57:43]

|Torg|:

other then that if you can not make a card work in a slot its a motherboard quirk or broken chipset

[15:58:39]

|Torg|:

Administrator__ mythweb is the part of mythtv thats "not like the other" not knowing the particulars of his ebiul I am not sure, but ill bet its in a seperate set

[15:58:50]

gbee:

oh well, guess I'll tell the seller but I'm not expecting much

[15:58:51]

Dagmar:

heh. Good luck having an IRQ conflict with the first PCI slot.

[15:59:10]

Dagmar:

Usually the card plugged into the AGP port makes it impossible to stick one in there

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Administrator__:

well i did get the plugins ebuild and i dont see it in there eigther

[15:59:16]

Ruleke:

|Torg|: on the VIA chipset it does when it uses a pci bridge chip

[15:59:28]

gbee:

should have just bought a new Nova-T, they are selling for under £30 including postage atm

[15:59:30]

|Torg|:

its not really a plugin, altho its distribited with it

[15:59:31]

Ruleke:

some of the slots flip out on it

[15:59:35]

Ruleke:

don't ask me why

[15:59:55]

Ruleke:

so yes it's a quirk / broken crap

[16:00:02]

juski:

gbee: I've only ever bought a 2nd hand card on Ebay once – never again. was faulty :(

[16:00:12]

Ruleke:

same card ;)

[16:00:18]

juski:

all the other lr6650 tuners were new :)

[16:00:20]

Ruleke:

you sold it on ebay eh juski ;)

[16:00:32]

|Torg|:

the two b2c2 cards I got off ebay, they work flawlessly

[16:00:44]

gbee:

juski: where did you get them new? I've only ever seen those available second hand

[16:00:56]

juski:

seller called pabsdirect

[16:01:41]

juski:

they sell HP & compaq schidt

[16:02:15]

juski:

I bought my leadtek pvr2000 from them for like Â£15 too

[16:02:18]

juski:

bargain

[16:02:41]

gbee:

makes sense, the second hand cards we're all sold installed with Compaq systems

[16:04:06]

|Torg|:

Ruleke VIA is the company that makes the PCI bridge chips. They are two mutially exclusive terms. Its like saying it does it when the Ford uses a truck

[16:04:44]

** juski drinks to weird spec interpretations these companies seem to like **

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|Torg|:

juski its not a new phenomina or id you really think microsoft came upo with new cryto :P

[16:06:23]

Ruleke:

|Torg|: no, a pci card can have a pci bridge on it

[16:06:37]

juski:

pci > usb bridge

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gbee:

well it *did* cost under £30 last week, this week it's gone up :(

[16:06:43]

juski:

pci > sata bridge ..

[16:06:43]

Ruleke:

a readl pci one

[16:06:44]

juski:

etc

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Dagmar:

|Torg|: And yet, it's VIA chips that are on the ASUS A8V board which does not work at all with the PVR-500...

[16:07:01]

Dagmar:

...and works like crap on several other models.

[16:07:11]

gbee:

nearly £10 more, should have bought a couple at the time

[16:07:17]

juski:

funny but I've never had a stich of bother with via chipsets

[16:07:32]

Dagmar:

I'd like to not believe it's VIA's fault, but I find it suspicious that it doesn't plague the non-VIA chipset boards they make of the nearly same specs

[16:07:49]

|Torg|:

putting a pci bridge on card is a way of saying "I will have my own bus, go screw yourslef, interface with mine"

[16:07:49]

Ruleke:

the 686a was terrible :)

[16:07:59]

|Torg|:

its not exactly what I would call a desired feature

[16:08:22]

Dagmar:

Yes, but if things follow the PCI specs there should be no problem with it

[16:08:23]

|Torg|:

but I will agree, I do not like the VIA chips from my own experiacne with it

[16:08:24]

Ruleke:

the point is that it's in the spec and via barfs on it

[16:08:25]

juski:

see this is why I hate PCs

[16:08:40]

|Torg|:

I woudl say it a software impimentation (or firmware if you prefer) not a technology one

[16:08:46]

juski:

manufacturers *interpret* rather than *follow* specs

[16:09:03]

|Torg|:

juski they just amke it up as they go along

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Dagmar:

reference: "interpretive dance"

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black_Nightmare:

well bye now ;)

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moh:

9~.

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moh:

~>

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Ruleke:

I hear hieroglyphs are making a comeback ;)

[16:13:22]

juski:

it's all about the retro, ftw (!)

[16:13:45]

gbee:

ok, anyone using a Nova-T 500?

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juski:

somebody was in earlier saying they had one

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juski:

said 'mostly stable' or something like that

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moh:

sorry 'bout that :-)

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** juski is mistaken.. maybe it was yesterday... **

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gbee:

this is the point where the disappointment means I throw good money after bad – £55 isn't what I originally wanted to spend (especially not on top of £20) but if it works I'll be happy

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juski:

it was :) dustybin has one

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juski:

!seen dustybin

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MythLogBot:

dustybin is here and has been idle for 4 hours 1 minute 3 seconds

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gbee:

Oi, dustybin get your arse over here

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juski:

!trout dustybin wakeup!

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** MythLogBot slaps dustybin with a wakeup! trout on behalf of juski... **

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Administrator__:

I was wondering if anyone has used kormoc's ebuilds and could tell me how to get mythweb going? I dont see a use flag for mythweb in the use flags for mythplugins...

[16:17:59]

gbee:

think janneg was saying he had one the other day too

[16:18:08]

juski:

Administrator__: doesn't mythweb have a separate ebuild?

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Administrator__:

im using kormocs svn ebuild

[16:18:37]

juski:

or eschew the ebuild & just install it yourself – its hardly rocket science

[16:18:42]

Administrator__:

which all the plugins ar in one ebuild

[16:18:51]

juski:

packages of development versions?! eek!!!

[16:19:06]

Administrator__:

yes mythtv works great

[16:19:07]

juski:

emerge -pv should tell you with some authority

[16:19:15]

Administrator__:

i did that

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juski:

and it said?

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Administrator__:

i dont see an option for mythweb

[16:19:39]

juski:

so there's not an option for mythweb – maybe you need to installify it yourself

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juski:

or (now here's a revelation) – be patient & ask the man himself when he next comes in!

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Administrator__:

Calculating dependencies... done!

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Administrator__:

[ebuild R ] media-plugins/mythplugins-trunk-12938 USE="fftw sdl -aac -archive -browser -cdr -controls -exif -festival -flix -gallery* -game* -mplayer* -music* -news* -phone -transcode* -vcd* -video* -weather* -xine -zoneminder" 0 kB [1]

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Administrator__:

i see everything but mythweb

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juski:

unless mythweb is in its own bit

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juski:

like www-plugins

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Administrator__:

where would the ebuilds get extracted to when i emerge them?

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juski:

it'd be no hardship to grab an svn checkout of mythweb & install it yourself

[16:21:43]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: yay. my main box is back :)

[16:21:45]

juski:

/var/portage or something. been a while since I used genpoo

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : yay

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Dagmar:

But, but... that might require reading something

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : I was just about to ask if you were around!

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Administrator__:

oh it is a great hardship to do that because i have qt-4 installed

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Dagmar:

You're already screwed then

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rsdvd:

are you gonna try uploading that tar again/

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gardengnome:

[17374755.608000] EXT3-fs error (device hda5): ext3_free_inode: bit already cleared for inode 1613682

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gardengnome:

ohy!

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gardengnome:

i really shouldn't suspend, boot a live Cd and fiddle with the FS, and resume to the older state again.

[16:22:56]

** Dagmar makes the sign of the horns **

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: yes, after a reboot

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rsdvd:

:-)

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juski:

Administrator__: qt4? good luck making mythtv work with that then. very good luck indeedy

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sandeen:

gardengnome, there was a bug recently fixed that probably addressed that

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sandeen:

oh, well

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gardengnome:

sandeen: the ext3 issue?

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sandeen:

yeah, but then I read about your suspend shenanigans :)

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gardengnome:

heh

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sandeen:

so... scratch that

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gardengnome:

yes, that's not a bug, that's me being stupid :)

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rsdvd:

silly gnome

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juski:

boot umbumgee livecd, mount /dev/hda1, rm -rf *

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juski:

oops!

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juski:

my work is in the public domain – I dunno which is worse

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thetron:

http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/Practical_Myth <-- Youtube slightly adjusted is now up of Practical Myth-TV tutorial. If you haven't seen it already

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juski:

oh FFS

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Piadas:

Has anyone seen where mythbackend appears idle (nothing in logs, no jobs recording or comm flagging), and it pegs CPU at 99%?

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juski:

digg schmigg

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thetron:

juski: sorry

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** thetron gives juski his slashdot medication **

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juski:

we were fed some MAJOR BS about the book at the LW Expo last October. the publisher's rep told us it was going to be a British book!!!

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juski:

not that it makes any difference

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gbee:

book? what book?

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juski:

I guess if you're selling a tech book it's suicide not to have the obligatory slashdot/digg linkies

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juski:

gbee: another book about making mythtv worky

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gbee:

oh right

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gbee:

can't have been while I was there

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juski:

was on the 2nd day

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juski:

reminds me.. anybody seen Kelerion this year?

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juski:

!seen Kelerion

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MythLogBot:

Kelerion was last seen 69 days 20 minutes 1 second ago

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gbee:

err, no

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juski:

definitely what I'd call MiA now

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thetron:

<juski> gbee: another book about making mythtv worky <--- The book afaik is still being written. The guys that wrote it could be in the room now maybe

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juski:

thetron: and? good luck to em I say

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gbee:

anyone who understands mythtv has my respect

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thetron:

It was part of LCA07. Same video i'm just rehashing it into XVID/Ipod for Podcasting

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juski:

I was only saying that the first time I heard about the book was at the LWexpo last year, and everything I was told, I went to check up on & found it to be untrue – not the kind of misinformation you'd expect from representatives of the publishing company ;)

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Dagmar:

But what of the trees!

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** juski wonders how many people were led up the garden path by the Linux Mag's factually incorrect article... **

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Dagmar:

The books are already printed! Not selling them would make their sacrifice meaningless!

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juski:

'Surf the net while you watch TV!' (alongside a screenshot of mythbrowser 0.13)

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juski:

yeah I know – if I'm so good why don't *I* write an article? well – I can't be bothered :-P

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dustybin:

i have an idea because im bored

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dustybin:

in my room i have a box dedicated to mythtv what i built and its connected to my tv

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juski:

hmmm?

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Dagmar:

Oh yes, and the first VBScript (now that I've read around the lack of indentation, thought it looked funny) doesn't even work right.

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Dagmar:

wrong channel

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juski:

oh you're going to take over the upkeep of my themes? how kind!

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juski:

<8

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dustybin:

how would i go about installing mythtv on this pc so i can view tv? would i need to just install the frontend?

[16:42:57]

dustybin:

or a minimal frontend?

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juski:

installing linux would be a good 1st step

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dustybin:

this is linux already, debian etch!

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juski:

then install mythfrontend & whatever plugins you want

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juski:

maybe lirc too

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dustybin:

aye cool! :-) im only doing this because im bored

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Piadas:

just make sure it's the same version as the preexisting backend.

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dustybin:

ok

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dustybin:

ill use the debian apt-get

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juski:

well I'm outta here. decided to go get my hair shorn

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juski:

or so

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dustybin:

heh ok

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : did you reboot yet?

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gardengnome:

re.

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: yes

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rsdvd:

:-)

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gardengnome:

i had to do some fsck magic but now it's fine :)

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rsdvd:

I am waiting with baited breath to testyour version of nfs-minimyth

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dustybin:

bloody heck i just done a apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: it's coming

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dustybin:

and the mythtv packages are upgrading!

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rsdvd:

:-)

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** rsdvd runs around like a kid at christmas **

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Dagmar:

Just wait until he finds out about that recall for frayed cords

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: have fun doing taht for the next 40 minutes. i want a faster connection...

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rsdvd:

lol

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gardengnome:

oh nifty. my dad gave me his old usb wlan dongle and it's all worky in linux

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gbee:

ahh dusty, you have a Nova-T 500? wondering how well it works – heard something about it being unstable, but no clue as to _how_ unstable

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gardengnome:

gbee: janneg has one, afaik

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dustybin:

i use that card in my mythbox

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dustybin:

it works wonderfully but sometimes

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dustybin:

if i leave the tv on, it disconnects and mythtv responds with something like

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gbee:

gardengnome: I know, but dusty is here :)

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dustybin:

video device error

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dustybin:

but i never have a problem with recordings, it seems to be only when im actually watching

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dustybin:

but it doesnt happen too often

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gbee:

ok, I can live with that if it doesn't affect recordings

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gbee:

what does it take to get it working again?

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dustybin:

another problem ive had is if my box has been on for 3 days or so sometimes if i try to tune into tv the screen just goes black and nothing happens until i restart the machine

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dustybin:

but that last problem hasnt happened for a while

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dustybin:

so maybe that was some kind of software thing?

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|Torg|:

more likly a power thing

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dustybin:

to get it working from the first error, i just go to main menu and watch tv and its go

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dustybin:

but the 2nd error neeeded a restart

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dustybin:

another problem i had was when trying to scan for channels

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dustybin:

i think it crashes or stops responding for some odd reason

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gbee:

I rarely watch live tv, so if it doesn't happen often (or at all ) when recording I think it will be worth getting one

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dustybin:

but i managed to get around it somehow

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dustybin:

in total ive found 3 problems with that card

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dustybin:

(driver!)

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gbee:

do you have many recordings where it's using both tuners at the same time? wonder if that causes it to error more frequently

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dustybin:

its well pointed out that my card has issues

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dustybin:

read here

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dustybin:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCI_Cards

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dustybin:

i think its 11 box down

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dustybin:

Device/drivers suffer from a serious problem. The USB DVB-T tuners seem to occasionally "disconnect" and reconnect during a tuning operation, this causes the kernel to oops requiring a reboot.

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dustybin:

maybe thats when i get the black screen?

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janneg:

gardengnome: I have two!

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|Torg|:

maybe is a VERY big word dustybin

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gardengnome:

janneg: gah! ohmigosh sorry!

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|Torg|:

there are at least 6 differnt reasons for the screen to be blank, not the least of wich is the screensaver/powersaver

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dustybin:

it only happens when i tune into a station

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dustybin:

instead of the channel being tuned in, the screen goes black

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dustybin:

and even if u come out into the main menu and go back its still black

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janneg:

gbee: as long as you can avoid to use it for EIT scanning it is perfectly stable

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gbee:

right, well I'm happy to use xmltv for every channel

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dustybin:

i dont think its anything to do with mythtv, its more than likely the linux tv card driver

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gbee:

atm I'm only using EIT for the radio/news channels

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gbee:

dustybin: nothing to do with mythtv

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dustybin:

yep

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dustybin:

right here we go im going to install the front end on this pc :)

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: 15 minutes left.

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janneg:

gbee: I have a patch to disable EIT scanning on individual cards

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janneg:

so if you have another DVB-T card you could use that for EIT scanning

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gbee:

janneg: if I get the Nova-T 500 I might remove the existing card and give it to family for their mythtv box

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janneg:

ah

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gbee:

I don't mind being without EIT for now, it's not that great in the UK anyway

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|Torg|:

it sucks more in the US, dont worry

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dustybin:

its installing, im scared :-S

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gbee:

if I'm going to maintain mythfilldatabase I should probably be using it more anyway ;)

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dustybin:

my mythtfill activated via a cron

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dustybin:

activates

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gbee:

you can have it run by mythbackend rather than setup a seperate cron job

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gbee:

I suppose 'using it more' isn't worded well, it's run daily, I mean fetching more channel data with it

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: 5 minutes left. aren't you excited? ;)

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gbee:

hmm, wasted an entire afternoon, cool

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janneg:

gbee: imho there is hope that the nova-t 500 issue will be solved soon (as in weeks)

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gbee:

janneg: was just reading a thread on the v4l list archives, so I got that impression

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janneg:

hmm, strange issue. I could see new messages but the terminal didn't respond to keypresses

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praet:

can anyone confirm that alsa-driver is i386

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praet:

audio is working.. im just checking

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xris:

praet: you might want to provide a version number with that...

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Dagmar:

We can't confim that

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Dagmar:

...and if your audio is working, why do you carE?

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dustybin:

the frontend nearly works but for some reason it cannot connect to my mythtv main box what is the back end, the local I.P. address and password are correct

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dustybin:

i get this error

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dustybin:

Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock'

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Dagmar:

Is this local IP address 127.0.0.1?

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Dagmar:

You've probably got more than one mysql.txt lurking around

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : I am back now! has it uplaoded?

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|Torg|:

the local ip address is 127.0.0.1 ALWAYS. You mean its node ip address

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dustybin:

oh

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dustybin:

i thought if u wanted to run a front end, u need to put the ip address of the database u want to connect to and thats the backend box ip?

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: yes. http://laga.ath.cx/minimyth-iegd/nfs-minimyth-0.20-21.tar.bz2

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|Torg|:

is mysql running? how do you know?

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|Torg|:

is it listing to a port? how do you know?

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rsdvd:

:-)

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|Torg|:

can you connect to it via command line?

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|Torg|:

what credentils did you use?

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Dagmar:

Sigh... find / -type f -name mysql.txt 2>/dev/null

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|Torg|:

what is in your mysql.txt file under your user?

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|Torg|:

did you set up the database?

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dustybin:

im using root

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dustybin:

as the user

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dustybin:

for the database, naughty i know..

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dustybin:

/home/dustybin/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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dustybin:

/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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dustybin:

i wonder what one i remove?!

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|Torg|:

is the database on the same host as the backend? the same host as the frontend?

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|Torg|:

remove neither

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dustybin:

database is on same host as backend

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juski:

don't remove either

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dustybin:

ok

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Dumdideldum:

question: how can I delete epg data, so that I can freshly add it again via mythfilldatabase ?

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gbee:

truncate program;

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|Torg|:

Dumdideldum all of it? "delete from program;"

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juski:

why would you need to do that anyway?

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dustybin:

i got a feeling my iptables settings are blocking ports

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Dumdideldum:

Torg, I just had problems filling xml data from nxtvepg – overwriting tv_grab_de_tvtoday data

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|Torg|:

use delete from program, program being the aproporate table

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|Torg|:

if you are using innodb the truncate is mapped irectly to the delete command anyway

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|Torg|:

altho in a purest form gbee is "more" correct.

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Dumdideldum:

errrr, I am a bit puzzled now. Which command ?

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|Torg|:

either will work

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gbee:

either

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|Torg|:

mysql mythconverg

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|Torg|:

delete from program;

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|Torg|:

quit

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Dumdideldum:

ah, so the table is program ?

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dustybin:

my mythbackend + database are using these ports but they are not standard mysql 3306 database ports

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dustybin:

6543/tcp open mythtv

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dustybin:

6544/tcp open mythtv

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|Torg|:

yes the table name is program in the database mythconverg

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juski:

dustybin: only 3306 is a mysql port

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dustybin:

how strange thats not even listed

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juski:

dustybin: heheh you need to look in my.cnf & check what IP address mysql is bound to

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dustybin:

ok dude

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|Torg|:

3306 is mysql, and if its not listing you are probbly using one of the distros ida of a "safe" dabase where they turn off IP

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juski:

my money is on it still being bound to localhost (127.0.0.1)

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Dumdideldum:

|Torg|, thx, IÂ´ll give it a try

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dustybin:

yeah, debian etch must turn off the ports as standard

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juski:

|Torg|: the other idea of a 'safe' database is random passwords

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|Torg|:

my money is skip-netowrking is defined :)

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juski:

either or...

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|Torg|:

random passowrds are fun too :)

[17:51:38]

juski:

if you think being operated on without anaesthetic is fun, yeah

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|Torg|:

juski is it your quit message that has that youtube video on it?

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juski:

yep

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Dumdideldum:

eeek, now i get loads of duplicate entries & sql errors :S

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|Torg|:

its funny as hell, who is it in the video?

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juski:

I promise to stop pimping it :)

[17:53:32]

juski:

some German kid or other – he became infamous. he's actually being frustrated at waiting for UT to load (or acting at it)

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : on the VGA your minimyth looks perfect :-) just switching to scart now!

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|Torg|:

it made me snort coffee through my nose, I ower you for that :P

[17:55:26]

|Torg|:

whats RTFM :)

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** |Torg| does wonder how Juski has all that idle time on his hand to make myth videos **

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** rsdvd bows down to worship at garndengnomes feet – we have proper colours :-) **

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: ;)

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juski:

|Torg|: because I'm not doing much else, that's why

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juski:

only took half an hour or so though

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|Torg|:

for you maybe

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|Torg|:

that woulda taken me a week at least to do

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|Torg|:

not to meantion you have converted to the darkside posting videos on youtube :P

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : the frontend is running at 44%CPU – I thought either you or juski said it ran lower than that

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juski:

|Torg|: any media whore knows the importance of good exposure

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: it prolly happens because of that nasty hack

[18:01:20]

juski:

gardengnome: I had the hack & it used only 25% without deinterlacing

[18:01:22]

rsdvd:

ok! But it works :-) I am happy now

[18:01:28]

juski:

with deinterlacing about 50% or so

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rsdvd:

mybe it is deinterlacing (I am afriad I really don;t understand all that)......but it is running between 42–44%

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dustybin:

IM A NOOOOOOOOOBIE CAN SOMEBODY HELPPPPPP MEEEE

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** dustybin throws keyboard **

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juski:

rsdvd: minimyth deinterlaces by default IIRC

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** dustybin pretends to be germen kid **

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|Torg|:

Im a noobie so you must help me

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** dustybin laughs mechnically **

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dustybin:

yay!

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dustybin:

3306/tcp open mysql

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dustybin:

i have a new error!

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dustybin:

Access denied for user 'root'@'debian-desktop.local' (using password: YES)

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dustybin:

for obvious reasons u cannot root into my databse

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|Torg|:

yes for obvious reasons

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monkeyBox:

When I run nmap on my mythtv box, It looks like mythtv isn't listening on 6543. How do I enable this without having to use mythtv-setup (I'm working remotely via ssh)?

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Dagmar:

You use the setup menus in mythtv's frontend

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monkeyBox:

Dagmar: I'm working remotly.. Is there a setting in the mysql database I can set?

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|Torg|:

yes

[18:40:02]

|Torg|:

is the hostname correct?

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monkeyBox:

|Torg|: I'm just using the ip address the settings...

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monkeyBox:

but my hostname is "myth1", which points to the same ip in /etc/hosts

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|Torg|:

you can also get at it from mythweb

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gbee:

juski: your forum down?

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dustybin:

yay i got the frontend working

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dustybin:

i can now watch tv on this

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dustybin:

am i right in thinking that if i open the ports up on my router i can have the frontend anywhere in the world?

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Dagmar:

Until your ISP shuts you down for bandwidth

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monkeyBox:

|Torg|: heh... I'm actually trying to set up mythweb :) It can't connect to mythbackend on my internal myth box

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dustybin:

ok

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Dagmar:

...or until someone from Singapore shuts you down.

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gbee:

yes, but it wouldn't be very secure and bandwidth would be a limiting factor

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gbee:

but it's doable

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monkeyBox:

So if I have my backend IP & port set correctly, what else would keep it from listening on that remote port?

[19:04:25]

immolo:

firewall?

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monkeyBox:

no, there's no firewall...

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monkeyBox:

it's an internal box connecting to another internal box

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immolo:

you tried running nmap on localhost

[19:05:33]

Dagmar:

Don't.

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Dagmar:

There is no point

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** monkeyBox emerges nmap on myth1 **

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Dagmar:

Running nmap against localhost is dumb.

[19:05:47]

Dagmar:

Even freaking Fyodor agrees.

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Dagmar:

Learn to use netstat.

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immolo:

or netstat yeah :P

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** gbee loves netstat -atun **

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gbee:

netstat -atunp even

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Dagmar:

I like to remember it as "Tuna P"

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Dagmar:

...or -punta

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monkeyBox:

netstat -an doesn't show any listening on 6543

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immolo:

you checked the logs to see is the backend is running?

[19:10:06]

Dagmar:

I would rather suspect that it's not

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immolo:

gentoo can be a pain when running from init scripts sometimes

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immolo:

it sticks the mysql.txt file in a weird place

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monkeyBox:

backend is running

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monkeyBox:

mythtv 9051 0.0 1.9 136136 19564 ? Ssl 12:34 0:00 /usr/bin/mythbackend --verbose none --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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monkeyBox:

^^ output from ps -aux | grep mythbackend

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monkeyBox:

does that make any sense?

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monkeyBox:

strange....

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monkeyBox:

when I start mythbackend w/ my gentoo init script, it doesn't work correctly. When I start it manually it works fine :-P

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immolo:

mysql.txt

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immolo:

:P

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immolo:

cd /etc/init.d/ and ls -A

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immolo:

could be there

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|Torg|:

should

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immolo:

its not

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Dagmar:

I b'lieve I said something about duplicate mysql.txt files something like an hour ago

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immolo:

found it

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immolo:

/etc/mythtv/.mythtv

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immolo:

they have updated since .19

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|Torg|:

the moving of mysql.txt isnt a .19 vs .20 issue. Its a jacked up idea of distro maker issue

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|Torg|:

the file properly goes in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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dustybin:

netstat – displays generic net statistics of the host you are currently connected to.

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immolo:

|Torg|- I mean they placed it in a better location then they had it in .19

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dustybin:

but if u wanted to check to see if ports are open from another host nmap is ok?

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immolo:

and by they I mean the mythtv ebuild maintiers

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|Torg|:

if there not firewalled, and they dont have IDS running

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dustybin:

ok

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dustybin:

guys do u think id make a good professional linux network administrator?

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gardengnome:

are you evil enough?

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|Torg|:

judging by the ones I see, yes

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dustybin:

heh

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|Torg|:

that inst exactly a recomendaiton tho :P

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juski:

gbee: my forum? I resigned a few weeks ago

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juski:

it was never my forum :)

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gbee:

ahh

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gbee:

well it's back now, but was down at the time

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** gbee reads the 'founded by' text at the bottom of the mythtvtalk page **

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gbee:

ahhh

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juski:

had a productive 2 years there, then got bored seeing the same questions over & over & over & over

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gbee:

should have known that I guess, but then I've only ever visited the site a couple of time

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gbee:

s

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juski:

add to that a growing number of ubunut problems ;)

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akifdino:

i remember that there was a streaming client for mythtv, does anyone know how it was called? it was for internet radios.

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gardengnome:

mythstream

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akifdino:

gardengnome: is it compatible with the actual version of mythtv?

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gardengnome:

s/actual/current/;

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gardengnome:

dunno

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akifdino:

gardengnome: hehe, yes current

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gardengnome:

</annoying teacher mode> ;)

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juski:

hmm bored bored bored :(

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akifdino:

is anyone using mythstream?

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dustybin:

i tried to compile mythstream once but failed miserably

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akifdino:

ohh

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akifdino:

dustybin: i'm going to try it now

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dustybin:

let me know how u get on

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dustybin:

i use streamtuner in the background on my mythtv box for radio

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akifdino:

streamtuner? has it something todo with mythtv?

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dustybin:

one day ill assign lirc to it

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dustybin:

no nothing to do with mythtv

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dustybin:

streamtuner can search and play and record radio streams

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dustybin:

its a nice bit of software

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dustybin:

if i can get lirc assigned to it it will be fantastic

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stuarta:

hi ho...

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gardengnome:

hey there

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stuarta:

i'm playing catchup on tv :)

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themdg:

Does anyone use the video player that comes with mythtv? I can't figure out where to put the videos to have them show up there.

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jduggan:

themdg: put them wherever you want then configure it in the settings

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themdg:

Mmm... So maybe I need to check my setup.

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themdg:

Do you know if there are filename requirements?

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jduggan:

no

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themdg:

I _think_ I have some in the right place, but not all of them show up.

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jduggan:

are they media files? ;p

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Dagmar:

Other than don't use radioactive ISO-9660 charsets, not really.

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themdg:

lol. Yeah, they're all .avi's.

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Dagmar:

They should *all* be showing up

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jduggan:

then they should be there, if you configured the directory settings correctly

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Dagmar:

It's not very bright when it comes to things that aren't actually avi files

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gbee:

anyone know if "Smith" is any good? (ITV4 tonight 22:00)

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stuarta:

no idea

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|Torg|:

its alright

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stuarta:

i'm so far behind it isn't funny

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themdg:

Ok cool. I'll recheck my config and see where it thinks they should be.

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** gbee keeps a straight face **

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|Torg|:

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/09/22/085635.php

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|Torg|:

it was dropped in the US after I belive 6 episodes

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themdg:

thanks

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gbee:

can't always judge by that though, they don't seem to give them much of a chance over there :)

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** gbee reads the review **

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Dagmar:

If there's no sex and no one gets kicked in the groin it won't last six episode in the uS

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themdg:

Dagmar, you're right.

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themdg:

Or, no one is going to will untold amounts of money.

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themdg:

basically, if it doesn't suck, it'll fail in the US>

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gbee:

too often I've read that X series was cancelled after it failed to get 40 million viewers at 3 a.m. on a Monday morning

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gbee:

it's bad enough in the UK that they mess about with schedules, moving programmes to earlier or later slots, or even different days but I'd get pissed off if after just 6 episodes they dropped them altogether

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doc|work:

yeah, some of the best series get dropped way too soon. Love monkey is one.

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|Torg|:

sorry 3 episodes

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gbee:

oh that's better :p

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|Torg|:

if you want to see the other 5 its on CBSs site

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themdg:

so can I edit the config files directly, or do I have to use the myth interface? I'm not sure where the files are, if I can.

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|Torg|:

they are in the database mostly

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themdg:

Ahh.. So I better use the interface.

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themdg:

Easiest that way.

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|Torg|:

cant you use sql?

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themdg:

Sure. I just don't want to wreck it. I'll have a look and see if I can find it in the db easily.

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|Torg|:

settings

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themdg:

settings what? Table?

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themdg:

I see it now.

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themdg:

I see VideoStartupDir, and it's set to /myth/video, which is where I have all the .avi's.

[20:47:09]

themdg:

But they dont' show up in the browser when I go to play them.

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themdg:

I take it back...one does, the other 5 don't.

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|Torg|:

did you go into the video manager and add them?

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gbee:

|Torg|: thanks, might try and watch it, unfortunately I don't have a free tuner to record it

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themdg:

I don't think i did |Torg|.

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themdg:

Do I need to do that each time I add videos?

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|Torg|:

yes

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themdg:

Ah h.

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themdg:

a

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jduggan:

oh yea, u need to rescan the dir with video manager

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jduggan:

heh

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|Torg|:

simply by running the manger it will add them

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jduggan:

:P

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themdg:

Where do I run the manager from? From in the interface, or from the commandlie?

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|Torg|:

from the frontend, under settings

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themdg:

Thanks. I'll give it a shot tonight. (I've only got remote access now.)

[20:51:47]

themdg:

maybe I can then catch up on heroes, as if it's worth it.

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jaym:

how do i enable upnp on on KnoppMyth

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|Torg|:

upgrade to svn code

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jaym:

using v5a30

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jaym:

1/26 release

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|Torg|:

thats a knopmyth version I havnt a clue as to what it realtes to

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|Torg|:

its not myth relate

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jaym:

believe its using 0.20

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jaym:

does that support upnp?

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|Torg|:

its posibly then it already has it in it

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jaym:

how do i enable it?

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|Torg|:

you dont, or at least it dosnt have any setup to it

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|Torg|:

why do you think it does not work?

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jaym:

according to wiki my media player is supported by upnp on mythtv my server does not see it

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jaym:

dsm-520

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jaym:

from dlink

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gbee:

svn has much better upnp support, but I don't use it so I've no idea what does/doesn't work in 0.20 and what has been added since

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|Torg|:

the newest svn dosnt work

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|Torg|:

but your sm should work, mine does

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|Torg|:

other then the fact I record tv at too high a rate for it to play

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|Torg|:

music works tho

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jaym:

says no server found which makes me think its not enabled

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|Torg|:

there is no enabling it, it simply works

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jaym:

hmm

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GreyFoxx:

doh, he left too soon

[21:16:06]

GreyFoxx:

odds are he has his backendIP/masterbackend set to localhost/127.0.0.1 and that would cause his dlink to fail to see the backend

[21:16:36]

GreyFoxx:

as the dlink would try to pull the advertised device description at localhost instead of from the real ip of the mythbox

[21:16:43]

|Torg|:

so why does the newest svn code fail?

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GreyFoxx:

If your backendIP is set to 127.0.0.1, that same value is placed in the URL sent out via the broadcasts, and the clients try to connect to localhost instead of the IP of the mythbo

[21:17:50]

GreyFoxx:

x

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GreyFoxx:

Assuming that is his problem which it most likely is

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|Torg|:

no I mean the unpnp code fails to set serviceurl for example

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GreyFoxx:

Where have you see that ?

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|Torg|:

under windows when it pics it up

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|Torg|:

and looking at the code the xmls have been rearanged into seperate files

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GreyFoxx:

I've never had that error occur

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|Torg|:

djmount still works tho

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GreyFoxx:

Yeah, plus the ability to customize the responses based on what the requesting source is has been added

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GreyFoxx:

so my response to an xbox can be different than the reply to a dlink

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|Torg|:

the device details now lack the device webpage that used to be in the code

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GreyFoxx:

so we can handle all of the quirks

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|Torg|:

I thoug it was failing to ser ServiceURL

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|Torg|:

Device page shows up in windows as presentaiton webpage unavialble

[21:21:23]

GreyFoxx:

Alas with no windows boxen in my office I can't test that from here

[21:21:37]

GreyFoxx:

but I can look when I get home

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|Torg|:

it shows up inder netowrk neighborhood fine tho

[21:22:45]

|Torg|:

it just lacks deatisl ande serive4s to link ot to WMP

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GreyFoxx:

My WMP doesn't act as a upnp client to even try, just as a upnp server, but I can try the network neighborhood stuff

[21:24:35]

GreyFoxx:

but to do that I must go home first, bbiaw

[21:24:42]

|Torg|:

k, take cre

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|Torg|:

care

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fysa:

How is myth's UPNP working out?

[21:29:54]

|Torg|:

works under djmount just fine

[21:30:14]

fysa:

Is there a upnp stream for live TV yet?

[21:31:01]

|Torg|:

upnp just does files, so no

[21:31:44]

|Torg|:

root@boaz:/mnt/myth/MythTV AV Media Server# ls

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|Torg|:

Music Recordings Videos _search

[21:32:15]

|Torg|:

its serving my music video and reocrded files plus a search facility

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fysa:

I wonder if it would be feasible to emulate a Live TV folder with fake files named by shows currently playing.

[21:33:12]

|Torg|:

technocialy the mpgs in teh recording serive are what is currently tuned

[21:33:32]

|Torg|:

so you could watch what was bsing watched, a pseudo live tv thing

[21:33:44]

|Torg|:

but a player would get fooled by file elngth

[21:33:45]

fysa:

right. So if one of these fake files were requested, it would trigger the backend to start recording that show.

[21:34:11]

|Torg|:

there not facke its the live tv buffer

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fysa:

Sorry, I should elaborate a bit.

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|Torg|:

ouch, but ok I get the idea

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fysa:

The files don't exist.

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fysa:

But if one is accessed, it triggers the backend to record so it 'can' exist.

[21:36:12]

fysa:

I've just got my frontend setup for dual-boot, so I may mess around with integrating (gasp) MediaPortal with MythTV.

[21:36:18]

gbee:

could probably be done in a much better fashion

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fysa:

I'm new to upnp.

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|Torg|:

windows dosnt play in the upnp space well

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fysa:

But if you know more about it and can think of a better upnp-compliant way.

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|Torg|:

microsoft is attempting to bully its way in

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|Torg|:

I woudl think more if the search facility

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fysa:

MediaPortal has its own upnp stack.

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|Torg|:

WMPs drm tends to screw with upnp heavily

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fysa:

No WMP needed..

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|Torg|:

well i woudl like to work under WMP

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|Torg|:

that and id like my 360 to play stuff from my BE

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|Torg|:

neither can be done tho

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fysa:

why?

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fysa:

because of the DRM-stuff?

[21:39:38]

fysa:

I thought you could play MPG?

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|Torg|:

amongst othere, that being chief, yes

[21:39:55]

|Torg|:

you cant stream to a 360 becae it laks the verifivaion code

[21:40:10]

|Torg|:

I dont know why WMP fails, I presume the same reason

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fysa:

How does TVedia do it then?

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|Torg|:

I dont have a tvedia so I dont know

[21:40:38]

fysa:

It's software.

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|Torg|:

my dsm works tho

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fysa:

Sorry.

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fysa:

TVersity.

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|Torg|:

the only upnp software I use is djmount

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fysa:

http://tversity.com/screenshots/

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fysa:

It works with the 360.

[21:41:37]

fysa:

Non-compliant videos are transcoded in real-time before streaming.

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fysa:

I don't see why there is anything there we couldn't do with a Myth plugin.

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|Torg|:

I didnt say it wasnt posible

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|Torg|:

you would have to talk more to GreyFoxx about it tho

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|Torg|:

I simply test his code

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|Torg|:

I do know the current svn code isnt seen by a 360

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|Torg|:

and I also know GreyFoxx gave me code which I patched to the service xml that made it show up

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fysa:

ah

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|Torg|:

other then the 360 recognising myth it wont play anything tho

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fysa:

does he have a 360?

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|Torg|:

some time agao, more thena month, the svn code was raticly changed for upnp

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|Torg|:

I belvie he has one, it was a while back he was fixing the race issue with one

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|Torg|:

again tho I would be speaking for him, it would be better if you asked him directly

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akifdino:

there is a mythstreamweb module for mythweb and it doesn't work since it is trying to include a file called includes/programs.php does anyone know if it disappeard recently_

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W6SN:

is there a way to paginate the "Recorded Programs" page in mythweb?

[21:51:37]

|Torg|:

reload the page

[21:51:44]

W6SN:

eh?

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kormoc-laptop:

W6SN, no

[21:52:02]

W6SN:

kormoc: pity :(

[21:53:05]

W6SN:

count(*): 922

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W6SN:

922 programs :(

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gbee:

W6SN: I dare say it's something that will be implemented in the future

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fryfrog:

man, and i thought waiting for 137 programs to load was bad :p

[21:59:24]

fryfrog:

maybe you should just make the default to load a specific group?

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fryfrog:

also, you must not be recording HD :)

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gnome42:

MoRpHeUz ?

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fryfrog:

take the blue pill

[22:02:26]

gnome42:

hehe :)

[22:02:35]

gardengnome:

and give your nick that sHifTy leet spelling ;)

[22:02:41]

opello:

mmm, steak-like red pill

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onewheelskyward:

Did somebody say steak?

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W6SN:

fryfrog: i'm recording low qual just for archival/review purposes

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W6SN:

at a tv station, we record our OTA signal for records

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W6SN:

what i'd LOVE to do, is braeak the recorded page up by day

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onewheelskyward:

On mythweb?

[22:28:43]

fryfrog:

ahhhhhh

[22:29:24]

W6SN:

yeah

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|Torg|:

I got a new nova-s card and when I attmpt to scan the backend givs me a DTVMux error the symbol rate being invalid

[22:30:09]

onewheelskyward:

If I can get it running, I'll take a crack at it. I'm an old school php developer.

[22:30:20]

|Torg|:

is there something you do to a dvb-s card you dont need to for an atsc?

[22:30:25]

W6SN:

i just don't have time to putz with it right now, ows :)

[22:30:28]

W6SN:

otherwise i would

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W6SN:

i might, snice i've actually put it on my tasklist at work hehe

[22:30:46]

onewheelskyward:

Nice. :)

[22:30:58]

W6SN:

also need timestamping on the video itself

[22:30:59]

W6SN:

heh

[22:31:23]

W6SN:

$recordings = get_backend_rows('QUERY_RECORDINGS Delete');

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W6SN:

i assu eme that's where it gets all the recordnigs?

[22:32:19]

onewheelskyward:

depends on the context and what get_backend_rows does.

[22:32:26]

onewheelskyward:

Looks suspiciously like it, though.

[22:34:31]

W6SN:

is there a doc with the backend protocol anywhere?

[22:35:02]

W6SN:

nm, found it

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W6SN:

:)

[22:35:06]

W6SN:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_Protocol_Command_List

[22:37:34]

W6SN:

and yeah, that's what gets them all

[22:38:07]

W6SN:

though i'm not sure why they use Delete and not Play

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onewheelskyward:

seems odd.

[22:40:22]

W6SN:

i changed mine to Play, and it seems I get the same values returned

[22:41:02]

briand:

gbee: (I'm just catching up). "Smith" was okay... used to have a rule here to record it. Likewise with "Love Monkey". :sigh: If they're continuing the Smith series there, let me know how it turns out, hmm? ;)

[22:41:03]

kormoc:

delete are ones that can be deleted iirc

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W6SN:

why would we only wanna see those on the mythweb interface?

[22:41:24]

W6SN:

wouldn't we wanna see all the recordings?

[22:41:29]

** kormoc shrugs **

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kormoc:

the main reason I use that page is to delete recordings

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W6SN:

heh

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gbee:

briand: whoops, forgot about it, bit late to catch the pilot it's 40 minutes in

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W6SN:

"924 programs, using 191 GB (29 days 16 hrs 45 mins) out of 234 GB (46 GB free).

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briand:

gbee: only on the pilot? you'll see enough of it next week, then, to get what's going on

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gbee:

ah good

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briand:

gbee: think "Ocean's 11" in a one-hour television show.

[22:43:41]

briand:

kormoc: are you still looking at the _classname stuff in css? I'm anxious to see if it fixes the IE6 stuff, as they won't let me install firefox on my machine at work

[22:43:42]

gbee:

one 'heist' a week or the same one stretched over prison break style over the series?

[22:43:54]

gbee:

stretched out even

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briand:

yes and no

[22:44:13]

briand:

one major heist planned, bunch of weekly smaller heists to get to that

[22:44:23]

briand:

and, of course, the series was cancelled before they got to it...

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stuarta:

well now we dont' need to watch it do we :)

[22:45:01]

kormoc:

briand, yeah, but it's a big pain, as there's *tons* of changes that need to be made

[22:45:15]

briand:

stuarta: I didn't tell you whether they were successful in the heist(s) yet, did I?

[22:45:36]

stuarta:

briand: told me enough that i won't need to care...

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briand:

kormoc: [nod] gotcha

[22:46:08]

briand:

stuarta: :/ sorry if I spoiled it for ya.

[22:46:29]

briand:

stuarta: but if you get the opportunity to see "Love Monkey", watch it. :)

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W6SN:

wow, IE doesn't like loading 924 shows on a recorded page

[22:46:40]

briand:

stuarta: and I won't tell you what it's about.

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stuarta:

i will keep that in mind, however i already have far too much to watch :)

[22:47:01]

briand:

IE doesn't like a lot of things

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briand:

I hear ya, stuarta... I've got 1.5 TB of storage now, and it's over 70% full

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stuarta:

:)

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briand:

of course, in fairness, probably 15–20G of that is mp3 files for mythmusic

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onewheelskyward:

That's an amazing pile of shows.

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W6SN:

hehe

[22:48:22]

onewheelskyward:

Tell me some of it is HD, at least.

[22:48:41]

briand:

actually, all of mine is (at present) SD stuff, from my analog cable

[22:49:14]

briand:

some time this year, I'm planning on getting an HDHomeRun (or two) and looking at HD stuff...

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onewheelskyward:

Great ceasar's ghost!

[22:49:32]

onewheelskyward:

Is your delete key broken or are you producing your own seasonal DVD's? :)

[22:49:33]

briand:

plus, I'll need to probably think about adding some disk storage somewhere, too...

[22:49:57]

briand:

no, there's just a bunch of stuff piling up there that I haven't watched.. lots of syndicated stuff

[22:50:47]

briand:

Seinfeld, Newsradio, How It's Made, Nova, The New Detectives, Austin City Limits, Engineering An Empire, etc, etc

[22:50:52]

W6SN:

wow

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W6SN:

that's kinda what i'm gonna do

[22:51:03]

W6SN:

build 3 myths for the house

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briand:

why 3?

[22:51:12]

W6SN:

have them all share recording/playback responsibility

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W6SN:

fvarious rooms

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stuarta:

employ a resident ghost to record stuff too.

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briand:

ah.. 3 backends, or 3 frontends?

[22:52:11]

briand:

you can make one BIG mythbackend with lots of storage and a buncha tuners... then use "lite" mythfrontend machines in the various rooms

[22:52:40]

briand:

that way, you can isolate the noisy machine out of the way, and just show the sleek quiet interface to the "public"

[22:53:21]

onewheelskyward:

But there is something to be said for distributed load.

[22:53:28]

briand:

true

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onewheelskyward:

Plus, if one of them goes down, you have 2 backups, and no shows are missed, keeping the family happy. :)

[22:53:50]

briand:

especially when you get into HD stuff... dunno how many of those you wanna try to simultaneously pump through your IDE or SATA interface

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onewheelskyward:

Too true.

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briand:

no family here.. just me and the kitty — and she usually just watches whatever I watch

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briand:

(she does like Forensics File on CourTV, though)

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onewheelskyward:

Even with SD, I couldn't record on my root drive and perform any kind of IO operation on the drive.

[22:55:17]

onewheelskyward:

Just me and the kitty here too. She could care less about the nature channel, though.

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onewheelskyward:

Nice. Plenty of room.

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briand:

yep. might have to bump up the power supply if I add SATA drives, tho...

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|Torg|:

and cooling

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W6SN:

briand: 3 frontends

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W6SN:

but lightweight backends

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W6SN:

each of the machines will bea able to record/transcode/etc

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W6SN:

and have tuners

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onewheelskyward:

briand: Did you see the Google study on long-term hard drive usage a while back? Cooling apparently isn't as big of an issue as initially though.

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gbee:

was interesting that – the conclusion is basically that if a harddrive is going to fail it will, whatever the environmental conditions or usage

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briand:

onewheelskyward: no.. didn't see it, but I would imagine the *worst* thing to do to a drive (or any electronics like that) is to run it hot & hard, then turn it off to cool, back and forth over and over... my computers stay running 24/7 here

[23:03:19]

Pryon:

I have so far been unimpressed with SATA and multiple disk-hungry operations. I'm hoping it's an artifact of the chipset (VIA K8T800 Pro)

[23:03:40]

briand:

Pryon: ...what I've read/heard as well...

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kormoc:

Pryon, via's *always* have issues...

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kormoc:

imho of course

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briand:

as in, more likely to get IOBOUND than my IDE busses, anyway

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onewheelskyward:

Pyron: It's the controller.

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onewheelskyward:

Pyron: If you hada nice adaptor with cache and it's own cpu, it would be much, much better about it.

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gbee:

whereas a good drive will keep working with no apparent relation to it's use or treatment

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Pryon:

Hmmmm. I'm tempted to grab one and test it out

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Pryon:

Yikes. Not cheap

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orko_:

hi. i tried to enter key bindings for some jumpoints but most of the F-keys are used by something call itv. whats this?

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onewheelskyward:

No...they run upwards of several hundred dollars. At that point you may be better off just getting a raptop.

[23:08:04]

onewheelskyward:

I meant, of course, raptor.

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orko_:

Is it possible instead of a keybinding directly enter a jumpoint to the lircrc?

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mattwj2005:

hey guys

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mattwj2005:

just chilling

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gbee:

orko_: itv is Interactive TeleVision, used in the UK/Australia only at the moment

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gbee:

so you can safely re-bind those keys if you live elsewhere

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orko_:

gbee: cool, thanks for the hint.

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orko_:

cu

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Ediehow:

hi

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Ediehow:

ivtv0: All encoder MPEG stream buffers are full. Dropping data.

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Ediehow:

anyone have that problem?

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onewheelskyward:

W6SN: I just emerged mythweb, and I'm seeing my recorded programs grouped by day...that's the functionality you wanted, isn't it?

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Piadas:

anyone seen an idle mythbackend show up as 99% CPU in top?

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Piadas:

onewheelskyward: I think he wanted it truly paginated, not just sectioned off by day.

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onewheelskyward:

Aah, that makes sense.

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Piadas:

because with 900+ recordings, wading through is a problem.

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onewheelskyward:

I'd say your back end isn't so idle. :)

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Piadas:

not me, that was W6SN...

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Piadas:

Mine is on a newly-installed backend, not recording, not transcoding.

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Piadas:

with only 5 recorded programs. :)

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Piadas:

that's why I'm perplexed. if mythbackend is not running, no CPU load, no disk activity. If it's running, high CPU, disk blinking. No programs set to record and no jobs running.

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W6SN:

hehe

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W6SN:

yeah

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W6SN:

i'm almost done paginating it

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W6SN:

though i'm doing it similar to "Show group:"

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alsoconfused:

Piadas: are you running backend in the foreground?

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Piadas:

no, daemon

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Piadas:

although I have tried in foreground to see if it would tell me what it was doing. :)

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alsoconfused:

enable verbose

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Piadas:

also set log level to 'all', couldn't tell that it was doing anything.

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W6SN:

what's "startts"?

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Piadas:

yeah, verbose log doesn't reveal anything.

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W6SN:

i get that recstartts is the time the recording started

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Piadas:

i.e. it will do periodic mysql queries, decide there's nothing to do.

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alsoconfused:

Piadas: ever use strace?

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Piadas:

not yet. :)

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Piadas:

I guess I can Google how to use it?

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gbee:

W6SN: startts is the time the programme starts, which may be different from the time the recording starts

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gbee:

same goes for the end times

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W6SN:

gbee: hrm, then I guess the webpage on the wiki is wrong on the numbering

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alsoconfused:

find the PID of the backend process, then do strace -f -o /tmp/trace -p PID ; let it run for several seconds, then kill it with CTRL-C. if you paste /tmp/trace somewhere i might get a clue about what it's doing

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alsoconfused:

Piadas: my last comment was for you

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Piadas:

yep.

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Piadas:

I will have to do it tonight. I don't have access to the box ATM.

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Piadas:

but thanks, that's an awesome idea.

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alsoconfused:

ok

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gbee:

W6SN: which page?

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W6SN:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_Pro . . . Y_RECORDINGS

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W6SN:

0 is title

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W6SN:

oh, is it cuz of the long long?

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briand:

Piadas: what version of Myth are you running?

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Piadas:

.20

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briand:

ahh

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Piadas:

this is a brand new box setup for a friend

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Piadas:

Ubuntu

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Piadas:

hmmm...

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briand:

meanwhile, try starting mythbackend with the "--noupnp" flag

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briand:

what you're describing, I saw here a few months ago, and that resolved the problem until the fix came thru

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|Torg|:

Piadas do you have an Xbox 360?

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Piadas:

nope

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|Torg|:

then that bug does not pertain to you

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briand:

yeah, it happens especially fast if there's an Xbox 360 on the network

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|Torg|:

ONLY if there is a 360

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Piadas:

It appears, briand, that --noupnp was added in .21, at least according to .21 release notes

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briand:

and I disagree, |Torg| — I don't have any game boxes on my network (or even at the house)

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|Torg|:

its not really a bug in the upnp code its a bug in microsotfs tcp stack

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briand:

Piadas: there is no such thing as .21, officially. :)

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GreyFoxx:

Piadas: No, it was added in svn and backported to 0.20 s

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|Torg|:

I know for a fact what the bug was I submitted it

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GreyFoxx:

0.20-fixes

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|Torg|:

and used GreyFoxx's code to fix it

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Piadas:

I'll give that a try, as well. thanks. BTW, it hasn't caused it to crash, just pegs backend to 99% CPU

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|Torg|:

its implictly from the 360 not closing the socket correctly

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briand:

I understand, |Torg| .. but I'm telling you it also happened without an xbox in the picture.

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Piadas:

the box even seems to work properly, records / plays fine, but when idle, 99% CPU. goofy

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GreyFoxx:

There were 2 100% cpu bugs I found, the most common was from the xbox360, but there was another

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briand:

Piadas: exactly.. and then the backend is so busy, the frontends (and mythweb) ask if there's even a backend running.

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Piadas:

haven't seen that. Frontend and mythweb seem fine

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briand:

mine would work okay for 1 to 3 or 4 days, then go belly-up

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Piadas:

yeah, I haven't run this box that long yet. :)

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briand:

GreyFoxx suggested I try that parameter, and it worked for me. :shrug:

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W6SN:

awesome

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W6SN:

I added a recdate field

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W6SN:

and it shows by day

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