| Monday, March 5th, 2007, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:51] | monkeyBox: | Is there any way I can view the XML data that mythfilldatabase is retreiving from zap2it? |
| [00:00:54] | reldruh: | "build of the package lirc-modules-source has failed" and it won't let me view the log file. Can anybody help me figure out why it's failing? |
| [00:01:22] | ** kormoc uses his telepathy to read reldruh's log file ** | |
| [00:02:04] | reldruh: | kormoc: did it work? :-) |
| [00:02:45] | kormoc: | nope, it's doomed |
| [00:03:33] | tank-man: | reldruh, ask the package maintainer :) |
| [00:03:45] | reldruh: | all right then, is there a better way to try and get lirc working than 'm-a a-i lirc' |
| [00:04:03] | reldruh: | tank-man: does he happen to be here? That would be great if he is... |
| [00:04:24] | Jaydoublem: | MythSocket(83a6d30:20): readStringList: Error, timeout (quick). |
| [00:04:28] | tank-man: | i dont know. probably not here. where did you get the package/distro? |
| [00:04:39] | Jaydoublem: | does anyonr knoe how i can debug this |
| [00:04:54] | reldruh: | tank-man: I'm using xubuntu, following this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Edgy |
| [00:05:18] | reldruh: | tank-man: I've tried it a few times and it always fails in the same place, on the command 'm-a a-i lirc' |
| [00:05:21] | tank-man: | dont you got some gui in ubuntu, to add packages |
| [00:05:25] | tank-man: | synaptic or something |
| [00:06:08] | reldruh: | yes, but I was lead to believe that it wouldn't work from the package and had to be done this way, and I did install a few packages with it, but now I'm configuring them... or something |
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| [00:07:33] | tank-man: | what was the reason for it not working? |
| [00:07:41] | reldruh: | when I try it from the package it says it 'couldn't build lirc kernel modules' |
| [00:07:52] | reldruh: | I think that's what I was trying to do manually when it failed |
| [00:07:55] | tank-man: | probably cuase you need the kernel sources |
| [00:08:09] | ruim_: | there is any way of limit the speed of a dvd drive to a specified speed? |
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| [00:09:49] | reldruh: | tank-man: would that be hte linux-headers package that matches my kernel? |
| [00:10:15] | tank-man: | sounds right |
| [00:10:23] | reldruh: | tank-man: that's already installed |
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| [00:13:43] | Regner: | hello |
| [00:15:00] | tank-man: | hi |
| [00:15:05] | Regner: | how can i fully remove mythtv so i can reinstall it |
| [00:16:08] | cesman: | depends on how you installed it... |
| [00:16:36] | tank-man: | maybe "make uninstall" will work? |
| [00:17:10] | Regner: | i installed it with apt |
| [00:17:45] | cesman: | apt-get --purge remove |
| [00:18:58] | Regner: | i did that, apt-get remove --purge mythtv, but its all still there, mythtv and mythtvbackend and the setup and all of it |
| [00:33:03] | tha_toadman: | hey all – i've already purchased a 'snapstream firefly' for my frontend machine (running ubuntu 6.10) – will the same config for that remote (in the wiki) work on a debian distro — wiki is listed as working under FC5/6..i'm assuming that the lirc stuff is the same for all distros |
| [00:35:36] | tank-man: | if it is the same remote, you can use the same config |
| [00:35:59] | tha_toadman: | ok – just wanted to make sure ;-) thanks |
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| [00:42:55] | timekllr: | anyone here ever see myth cause the ivtv driver to crash ? |
| [00:43:27] | timekllr: | i can mplayer /dev/v4l/video0 fine, but when i jump into livetv with myth, the driver stops responding |
| [00:43:50] | timekllr: | been driving me nuts all day |
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| [00:46:49] | timekllr: | guess not... |
| [00:50:01] | XavierKing: | is the commercialremoval script supposed to transcode out commercials too? |
| [00:50:58] | XavierKing: | sorry. thats the removecommercials sript. |
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| [00:59:56] | n33o: | hi |
| [01:00:05] | n33o: | what kind of hardware would i need for myth tv? |
| [01:00:14] | n33o: | I have a linux box but its really old |
| [01:00:31] | n33o: | could i stream a lowband video on a network ? using multicast? |
| [01:01:42] | GreyFoxx: | n33o: Assuming you are just watching standard definition TV, you could get away with 650mhz to 1ghz cpu |
| [01:01:45] | DeKay: | n33o: You don't need much of a pc, but you do need a decent amount of memory and hd space |
| [01:01:53] | GreyFoxx: | it depends on what kind of capture card |
| [01:02:03] | n33o: | hm |
| [01:02:10] | XavierKing: | awwww man.. you all beat me to the answer. |
| [01:02:24] | n33o: | Im wanting basically to stream a buch of cached videos to the web |
| [01:02:38] | n33o: | kind of like "web tv" station.. like on americafreetv.com |
| [01:02:50] | GreyFoxx: | n33o: There is not really anything in "myth |
| [01:02:51] | GreyFoxx: | for that |
| [01:03:16] | GreyFoxx: | You could setup some sort of vlc/auto transcoding and such, but that's not really myth |
| [01:03:24] | n33o: | oh |
| [01:03:27] | n33o: | hmm |
| [01:03:32] | n33o: | would like to find out how to do this |
| [01:03:38] | n33o: | can i do this from any vlc? |
| [01:03:44] | n33o: | on any platform? |
| [01:03:51] | GreyFoxx: | sure you can |
| [01:06:32] | DeKay: | XavierKing: That doc says 256meg is sufficient. From personal experience, that is totally bogus :) |
| [01:07:04] | XavierKing: | oh. good to know. |
| [01:07:36] | fnordpojk: | I'm getting errors from compiling the function UpdateDBVersionNumber from dbcheck.cpp in latest SVN on an Ubuntu feisty machine – any pointers? |
| [01:07:49] | DeKay: | kormoc: Interesting, my box swapped like mad. |
| [01:07:52] | fnordpojk: | I found a similar problem on the mailing list, but no reply. |
| [01:08:12] | kormoc: | DeKay, depends on the Theme you pick, the window manager you use, etc |
| [01:08:18] | n33o: | hmm is ther a cool chatroom like this for VLC |
| [01:08:28] | n33o: | or can you peeps help me wiht vlc? |
| [01:09:22] | GreyFoxx: | Try #videolan |
| [01:09:24] | DeKay: | kormoc: I was using either evilwm or fluxbox – both pretty light. One thing with themes is you don't know which themes are light and which are heavy. |
| [01:09:44] | n33o: | thankx |
| [01:09:46] | n33o: | ;-) |
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| [01:10:04] | kormoc: | DeKay, you could check memory usage to tell... |
| [01:10:41] | DeKay: | kormoc: I was in serious swap no matter what. |
| [01:11:06] | kormoc: | I also tweaked mysql a bit too |
| [01:11:08] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [01:11:16] | DeKay: | Was that a recent myth version? |
| [01:11:31] | GreyFoxx: | 4 of my frontends have 128meg of ram and work fine |
| [01:11:33] | kormoc: | 0.18 to 0.20-fixes 12xxx version, aye |
| [01:11:44] | GreyFoxx: | though none of them run any of the larger themes |
| [01:12:08] | GreyFoxx: | my "main" frontend+master backend has 512, but it also runs a ton of other stuff than just myth |
| [01:12:51] | jd89: | I just grabbed the latest svn, and myth plugins doesn't seem to be installing mythvideo in the correct prefix (goes to /share instead of /usr/local/share for instance) but other plugins install correctly, anyone having this problema nd know what revision introducted this so i can go before that |
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| [01:12:58] | neopsyche: | hi |
| [01:13:07] | DeKay: | Interesting. I'm on gentoo and running pretty lean. Even compiled with -Os to skinny things up. Is there a pointer to tweaking mysql for mem usage someplace? |
| [01:13:07] | neopsyche: | the linux community is quite helpful. |
| [01:13:22] | neopsyche: | videolan channel is quite quiet though |
| [01:14:24] | kormoc: | DeKay, -Os is only diskspace, not necessarily memory usage |
| [01:14:33] | GreyFoxx: | DeKay: I actually increase my mysql server memory usage with query caching |
| [01:15:31] | DeKay: | GreyFoxx: Is there a howto for this someplace? |
| [01:15:53] | GreyFoxx: | for what specifically? |
| [01:16:07] | DeKay: | GreyFoxx: Tuning mysql for myth |
| [01:16:23] | GreyFoxx: | no, I didn't tune it for myth, I just "tuned" it :) |
| [01:16:32] | DeKay: | :) |
| [01:16:37] | GreyFoxx: | I've been using query caching since it was first added to mysql |
| [01:16:44] | GreyFoxx: | lots of docs out there about that |
| [01:17:03] | jd89: | hmm i wonder if i can somehow manually install mythvideo |
| [01:18:26] | DeKay: | kormoc: I was fairly certain -Os helped mem usage too. Smaller executables fit in the cpu cache better so the prog runs faster. |
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| [01:19:09] | kormoc: | DeKay, cpu cache != ram usage |
| [01:19:49] | kormoc: | DeKay, it'll roll up loops that then to be used might need to be unrolled in memory, increasing the size of the memory footprint |
| [01:19:52] | DeKay: | kormoc: I know, but I'd have thought there would be some correlation |
| [01:20:16] | kormoc: | it all depends on your program and what it does, there is no hard and fast rules for anything |
| [01:20:25] | DeKay: | Interesting |
| [01:21:53] | DeKay: | GreyFoxx: What query cache size have you found useful? |
| [01:22:03] | squish102: | out of interest, with mythvideo, does the content have to be on the frontend? |
| [01:22:26] | GreyFoxx: | squish102: it has to be reachable via the file system on the frontend |
| [01:22:38] | GreyFoxx: | so samba mounts, nfs, or on the local drive |
| [01:22:41] | squish102: | oh, ok, so nfs mount or something |
| [01:22:45] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
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| [01:33:23] | jacKnife: | dudes, my mythbox crashed and now my channel listing is all messed up |
| [01:33:33] | jacKnife: | i have no data for any channel in my program guide |
| [01:33:55] | jacKnife: | i blew away all my chards and channels and re-installed them in mythtv-setup, but still nada |
| [01:34:12] | jacKnife: | i'm thinking something is hozed in my DB, but i'm not sure what to check |
| [01:34:15] | jacKnife: | any thoughts? |
| [01:34:28] | cesman: | dude, check your db for error |
| [01:34:47] | jacKnife: | i can log onto my DB, and see a bunch of tables, but i'm really not sure what to look for |
| [01:34:53] | jacKnife: | my channels table seems to have everything |
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| [01:35:43] | cesman: | myisamchk -f /path/to/db/*.MYI |
| [01:35:59] | jacKnife: | ok, i see what you mean. let me try that |
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| [01:47:12] | rjune: | I have an nvidia card with rca out, in the settings tool, that's tv0 right? |
| [01:47:40] | cesman: | what "settings tool"? |
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| [01:52:22] | squish102: | any1 tried a " |
| [01:52:29] | squish102: | Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1600" card? |
| [01:52:41] | cesman: | not I |
| [01:53:03] | squish102: | looks interesting with a hardware analog and hdtc tuner |
| [01:53:37] | squish102: | although it is only OTA |
| [01:56:43] | amx_: | anyone knows what gcc/g++ version to use to compile mythtv ? |
| [01:59:25] | kormoc: | a stable one? |
| [01:59:40] | amx_: | yes, 0.20-fixes |
| [01:59:48] | kormoc: | no, a stable version of gcc |
| [02:00:37] | amx_: | I tried 4.1.2 and 4.0.4, and it's giving me some Qt3 related errors when building libmythtv |
| [02:00:51] | kormoc: | well, might want to drop to 3.x then |
| [02:01:12] | amx_: | I'll give it a try |
| [02:05:14] | amx_: | stupid me for trying to upgrade from dapper to edgy and thinking it would be quick :) |
| [02:06:05] | rjune: | cesman: nvidia-settings |
| [02:06:22] | rjune: | for some reason I'm not able to display to the RCA out |
| [02:08:20] | ** cesman has never ran nvidia-settings ** | |
| [02:09:44] | rjune: | you have an nvidia with tvout/ |
| [02:10:15] | cesman: | yes |
| [02:10:35] | rjune: | RCA, I'm assuming? can you post your xorg.conf? |
| [02:10:46] | cesman: | svideo out |
| [02:12:01] | kormoc: | https://www.kormoc.com/stuff/xorg.conf/xorg.conf.tv <-- mine if you canre |
| [02:12:03] | kormoc: | *care |
| [02:12:23] | cesman: | depending on your card, you have to specify TVOutFormat |
| [02:12:36] | rjune: | thanks kormoc, long time no see |
| [02:12:52] | amx_: | arggg... still the same problem... |
| [02:13:46] | kormoc: | rjune, yeah, you've been gone for awhile |
| [02:13:52] | kormoc: | amx_, then it's very likely not the compiler |
| [02:13:57] | rjune: | well, at least you still remember me |
| [02:14:09] | amx_: | kormoc: indeed... |
| [02:14:19] | amx_: | it seems it's looking for the qt3 headers in the wrong dir |
| [02:14:44] | amx_: | it's looking in /usr/share/qt3/include for some reason |
| [02:14:50] | rjune: | cesman: that option go in the device section? |
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| [02:16:29] | rjune: | wish the nvidia cards were more like the ati ones in that respect. rca out just worked |
| [02:17:36] | reldruh: | this is going to sound dumb, but can just about all computers hold SATA HDDs? |
| [02:18:53] | Zider: | pretty much yes.. if you have a SATA controller in it.. |
| [02:19:06] | kormoc: | reldruh, hold? likely... use, only if there's a controler |
| [02:19:19] | kormoc: | laptops might have hard times holding a sata drive... they're a tad large |
| [02:19:32] | Zider: | there's 2,5" sata drives |
| [02:19:39] | kormoc: | true nugg |
| [02:19:42] | kormoc: | *nuff |
| [02:20:13] | reldruh: | I have a computer that's about 10 years old. I'm staring at the innard right now, wondering if I should go get a 250GB sata drive for $50. It's a good price and I'll get the drive if I can make sure I can use it |
| [02:20:50] | reldruh: | my question now is what I should be looking for to see if the sata drive will work in my comp |
| [02:21:00] | tank-man: | reldruh, sata connetion |
| [02:21:04] | kormoc: | the manual with the motherboard? |
| [02:21:07] | tank-man: | connection |
| [02:21:17] | tank-man: | the bios |
| [02:21:19] | reldruh: | comps 10 years old, I don't have the manual andn I don't know what the connectoins should look like |
| [02:21:21] | reldruh: | the bios? |
| [02:21:27] | tank-man: | 10years? for sure no |
| [02:21:52] | tank-man: | bios, press f1/del when you boot up |
| [02:22:16] | reldruh: | tank-man: so can I buy a sata controller to make it work |
| [02:22:16] | reldruh: | ? |
| [02:22:31] | tank-man: | if you have a free pci slot |
| [02:22:41] | reldruh: | I have what looks lke a smaller 4pin connector. Damn, no extra pci slot :-( |
| [02:22:48] | tank-man: | if its 10 years old, i probably wouldnt bother |
| [02:22:50] | reldruh: | I can probably remove the modem though. I don't have any need for it |
| [02:22:58] | kormoc: | http://www.portwell.com/productnews/ROBO-8717VG2A-1s.jpg <-- the plug the red cable is going into is sata |
| [02:23:05] | kormoc: | and the 3 others aroud it are as well |
| [02:23:43] | kormoc: | reldruh, there comes a time when a computer is better left un-used... it deserves to be left to rest :P |
| [02:24:18] | reldruh: | kormoc: hell no :-) It's a good computer, I use it as a samba server and it works great. I'd just like to update from the 40GB hard drive |
| [02:24:41] | Dr_willis: | Heh – my amiga i just got out of the garrage has a 300mb hd. |
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| [02:25:05] | tank-man: | reldruh, this isnt for mythtv? |
| [02:25:07] | reldruh: | it doesn't look like there are any sata connectors on the motherboard |
| [02:25:13] | reldruh: | tank-man: yes |
| [02:25:20] | tank-man: | yes it is? |
| [02:25:38] | tank-man: | you cant use a 486 for mythv |
| [02:25:41] | reldruh: | yes it is for mythtv. This is the backend |
| [02:25:47] | reldruh: | this isn't a 486... |
| [02:25:51] | kormoc: | reldruh, that's good, cause it there was, it'd be 6 years older then when sata was first created |
| [02:25:52] | reldruh: | it's a P4, 2.4GHz |
| [02:25:58] | tank-man: | 10 years sounds old :) |
| [02:26:02] | kormoc: | that's not really 10 years old then... |
| [02:26:05] | reldruh: | no? |
| [02:26:13] | reldruh: | it's definitely more than 5 |
| [02:26:23] | tank-man: | haha, i have a 1ghz pc for my backend/desktop |
| [02:26:23] | kormoc: | the first p4 was launched in 2000 |
| [02:26:44] | reldruh: | does this mean there's a higher chance of having a sata connector? :-) |
| [02:26:53] | tank-man: | no |
| [02:27:32] | kormoc: | so you're off by a lot of years there :P |
| [02:27:54] | reldruh: | when did Windows ME come out? |
| [02:27:59] | reldruh: | that's hte OS it came with |
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| [02:28:17] | kormoc: | in 1997, the pentium 2 was new, and was around 233 mhz or so |
| [02:28:28] | reldruh: | and it was about half a year before XP came out because I got an upgrade coupon with it |
| [02:28:33] | kormoc: | windows me was first released in 2000 |
| [02:28:47] | kormoc: | xp shipped in 2001 |
| [02:28:57] | reldruh: | all right, so this computer is 5–6 years old. What are the chances it has a sata connector that I'm not seeing? |
| [02:29:09] | kormoc: | very low |
| [02:29:17] | kormoc: | 2003 was the year sata came into being |
| [02:29:31] | kormoc: | wasn't common till at least 2005 |
| [02:29:37] | tank-man: | just make a rounded ide cable if you want better air flow :) |
| [02:29:37] | reldruh: | I see |
| [02:29:52] | reldruh: | it looks like I have a PATA drive (I think that's the name) |
| [02:30:02] | reldruh: | can I get a serial controller and still use it? |
| [02:30:08] | reldruh: | will it fit into a pci slot? |
| [02:30:18] | kormoc: | if you buy a pci sata controler, yes |
| [02:30:25] | kormoc: | and yes, you can still use the pata controler as well |
| [02:30:37] | rjune: | Not to be a dipshit, but wouldn't two seconds in the bios or at a linux prompt confirm SATA ability? |
| [02:30:52] | kormoc: | sure world |
| [02:30:54] | tank-man: | i already suggested the bios |
| [02:31:01] | tank-man: | look for the boot up drive |
| [02:31:04] | kormoc: | lspci for the win |
| [02:31:19] | Zider: | lshw <3 |
| [02:31:22] | tank-man: | you assume he has a working linux system? |
| [02:31:29] | rjune: | windows too |
| [02:31:42] | reldruh: | I have a working linux system with the old drive |
| [02:35:27] | reldruh: | I have an IDE interface, is that what I'm looking for? |
| [02:35:35] | reldruh: | a bunch of PCI bridges... |
| [02:35:39] | kormoc: | that's for your pata drives... |
| [02:35:59] | kormoc: | 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801GB/GR/GH (ICH7 Family) Serial ATA Storage Controller IDE (rev 01) |
| [02:36:07] | reldruh: | ISA bridge? |
| [02:36:08] | kormoc: | that's an example of my sata controler |
| [02:36:23] | kormoc: | no... a isa bridge is for your isa cards |
| [02:36:29] | reldruh: | kormoc: mine doesn't say anything like that, either for SATA or PATA |
| [02:36:49] | kormoc: | my pata is |
| [02:36:51] | kormoc: | 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) IDE Controller (rev 01) |
| [02:36:59] | reldruh: | it says IDE interface: Intel corp 82801BA IDE U100 |
| [02:37:07] | kormoc: | that's the pata |
| [02:37:08] | Zider: | in windows the SATA might be listed as a SCSI device if I'm not mistaken |
| [02:37:43] | kormoc: | Zider, good thing he's using lspci then :P |
| [02:37:45] | rjune: | sounds like you don't have a sata device |
| [02:37:54] | reldruh: | sounds like :-( |
| [02:38:00] | Zider: | kormoc: ah I thought he had win ME? |
| [02:38:13] | kormoc: | Zider, he said it came with it, but currently is a samba linux server |
| [02:38:18] | Zider: | ah |
| [02:40:08] | tank-man: | whats wrong with normal ide hard drive? |
| [02:40:27] | tank-man: | price difference is small if i'm not mistaken |
| [02:40:42] | kormoc: | normal pata are cheaper |
| [02:41:55] | Zider: | ..so far.. ;) |
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| [02:46:12] | tank-man: | but if he wants to upgrade in the future, sata is not a bad choice |
| [02:47:02] | kormoc: | meh, it's only $30 or so to get a ide to sata adapter, and thus use it with sata in the future |
| [02:48:38] | reldruh: | there's a 250GB pata drive for $70, maybe I'll just get that... |
| [02:50:29] | rjune: | reldruh: given the price difference, get the adapter |
| [02:51:14] | reldruh: | $30 for the adapter? |
| [02:51:20] | reldruh: | yeah, that probably is worth it |
| [02:51:26] | reldruh: | mythtv is turning into a very expensive proposition |
| [02:51:41] | reldruh: | speaking of myth, can somebody help me figure out why lirc isn't working on my comp? |
| [02:52:10] | tank-man: | it isnt working cause you didnt set it up right :) har har |
| [02:52:22] | tank-man: | we cant guess why it doesnt work without more info |
| [02:52:41] | reldruh: | it keeps failing when I try to build the lirc-modules-source kernel module |
| [02:53:01] | tank-man: | oh, you again :) |
| [02:53:07] | reldruh: | if somebody tells me where the log is I can look at that, but when I try to view it within the module build thing, it gives me an error |
| [02:53:10] | reldruh: | tank-man: yes, me again :-) |
| [02:53:50] | tank-man: | do you have some files in /usr/src/linux/ ? |
| [02:54:41] | ** reldruh is checking... ** | |
| [02:57:03] | jacKnife: | i'm about to chuck this mythbox into the river! |
| [02:57:14] | kormoc: | jacKnife, you can mail it to me instead |
| [02:57:15] | tank-man: | the files in /usr/src/linux/ are the kernel sources you need to compile many kernel modules like lirc |
| [02:57:37] | jacKnife: | ok i had some db corruption, fixed it, i still cant populate channel guide information |
| [02:57:49] | kormoc: | jacKnife, try mythfilldatabase --refresh-all ? |
| [02:57:53] | jacKnife: | yup |
| [02:57:58] | kormoc: | what's it say? |
| [02:58:47] | jacKnife: | it all looks good sais it marked 895 generic episodes |
| [02:58:53] | jacKnife: | 2449 repeats |
| [02:59:01] | jacKnife: | so on and so on |
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| [03:00:08] | kormoc: | jacKnife, that's all good |
| [03:00:41] | acr: | sorry, my computer decided that just then was a great time to play dead |
| [03:00:54] | acr: | I do have something in /usr/src/linux |
| [03:01:02] | acr: | quite a few things. Am I looking for something specific? |
| [03:01:14] | Jaydoublem: | does anybody ever have the problem that mythtv crashes when you select a channel above 100 |
| [03:02:41] | jacKnife: | ok, so my mythweb channel listing still says no data, but my mythfrontend still says NO DATA for all channels |
| [03:03:04] | jacKnife: | is there a chache directory for mythweb? |
| [03:03:15] | kormoc: | jacKnife, not for that |
| [03:03:52] | jacKnife: | oh wait, i mis-stated that |
| [03:03:57] | jacKnife: | my mythfronend looks good |
| [03:04:07] | jacKnife: | my mythweb says NO DATA for channels |
| [03:04:36] | tank-man: | acr, nothing specific, just files. |
| [03:04:55] | acr: | yes |
| [03:05:13] | tank-man: | why didnt you just use the binary package from synaptic? |
| [03:05:57] | acr: | tank-man: the guide I was following said it wouldn't work |
| [03:06:16] | tank-man: | and the reason? |
| [03:06:50] | acr: | I'm not sure |
| [03:06:53] | tank-man: | cant hurt to try |
| [03:06:58] | acr: | very true |
| [03:07:01] | topping_ is now known as topping | |
| [03:08:11] | acr: | does it matter that mythtv-frontend is already running on it? |
| [03:08:15] | Jaydoublem: | is anyone here working with ir blasters |
| [03:08:25] | kormoc: | I use one |
| [03:08:38] | Jaydoublem: | are u on 0.20? |
| [03:08:54] | kormoc: | I'm on svn-trunk but I was on 0.20-fixes with it before, aye |
| [03:09:07] | Jaydoublem: | and do use composite svideo or tuner? |
| [03:09:17] | kormoc: | tuner |
| [03:09:31] | Jaydoublem: | does preset to channel work for you? |
| [03:09:52] | kormoc: | nope |
| [03:09:58] | kormoc: | I just fixed it via cron |
| [03:10:38] | Jaydoublem: | my problem is, when I use channels from 2–75 everything works like it should, but if i go beyond 75 it crashes |
| [03:10:47] | Jaydoublem: | how did you fix it via cron? |
| [03:10:54] | kormoc: | @reboot ivtv-tune -c3 > /dev/null |
| [03:11:50] | Jaydoublem: | do you have any idea why mythtv crashes if go past 75 |
| [03:11:55] | kormoc: | nope |
| [03:12:49] | jacKnife: | what table holds the channel guide information? |
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| [03:13:18] | doc|home: | what's the difference between MPEG2-PS and TS? |
| [03:14:00] | kormoc: | doc|home, http://wiki.videolan.org/MPEG-TS#Container_formats |
| [03:14:07] | Jaydoublem: | do you have any idea where I could find help with this |
| [03:14:09] | doc|home: | great, thanks |
| [03:14:57] | doc|home: | kormoc: hmmm, ok, any advantage to using ps over ts? Less disk usage perhaps? |
| [03:15:02] | kormoc: | nope |
| [03:15:32] | doc|home: | ok, thanks |
| [03:15:35] | kormoc: | it's exactly what it says, PS looks better, TS degrades better |
| [03:15:39] | acr: | so I just installed lirc from synaptic, but when I try to use irw to test it, even as root, I get 'connection refused' |
| [03:16:36] | doc|home: | cool, thanks |
| [03:17:29] | jacKnife: | OMFG: just ran date on my computer: Thu Mar 4 22:16:19 EST 1982 |
| [03:17:32] | doc|home: | hmmm, I don't see it saying ps looks better. Something I should change? |
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| [03:18:02] | jacKnife: | pretty sweet, man i got the incredible hulk lined up to record, i should get some dukes of hazard and magnum pi and i'll be set |
| [03:18:20] | DeKay: | acr: does /dev/lirc/0 exist? |
| [03:24:49] | LoneShadow: | hi folks |
| [03:24:55] | acr: | DeKay: xubuntu |
| [03:24:57] | LoneShadow: | what needs to be installed to play new encrypted dvds ? |
| [03:25:43] | DeKay: | acr: Don't know much about that one. But lircd is a service you start. Something like /etc/init.d/lircsomethingorother start |
| [03:26:03] | acr: | ah, I see |
| [03:26:07] | Jaydouble1: | hello |
| [03:26:26] | acr: | DeKay: when I do that, I get that 'LIRC IS NOT CONFIGURED. read /usr/share/doc/lirc/html/configure.html' |
| [03:26:47] | DeKay: | acr: So start reading :) |
| [03:27:00] | acr: | DeKay: haha, that I figured out on my own :-) |
| [03:27:12] | Jaydouble1: | in order to make my IR blaster work, i got to set permissions everytime I restart my machine, how can I automate this? |
| [03:27:17] | acr: | hmm, it says I need a lirc.conf file... |
| [03:27:18] | DeKay: | acr: Try this also. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=288229 |
| [03:27:25] | Jaydouble1: | (sudo chmod a+rw /dev/ttyS0 |
| [03:29:40] | LoneShadow: | anyone using gyration air mouse ? |
| [03:29:54] | acr: | DeKay: OK, the config file problem has been fixed, but now it can't load the required kernel modules |
| [03:30:03] | acr: | how would I go about building lirc-modules-source? |
| [03:30:06] | acr: | every time I try it fails |
| [03:30:54] | DeKay: | acr: Sorry, you're talking to a gentoo guy |
| [03:31:21] | jacKnife: | kormoc, cesman, thanks for your help, it ended up being my time was mysteriously set to 1984 |
| [03:31:24] | DeKay: | What does it say when you try to load the modules? |
| [03:31:37] | Zider: | DeKay: are you saying gentoo users don't know anything? :P |
| [03:31:57] | DeKay: | Zider: Careful :) |
| [03:32:21] | DeKay: | Zider: anything about ubuntu. |
| [03:32:31] | Zider: | DeKay: ah |
| [03:32:34] | GreyFoxx: | LoneShadow: I do on my desktop |
| [03:32:45] | acr: | DeKay: I respect the gentoo :-) |
| [03:33:18] | LoneShadow: | LoneShadow: gyration air mouse for your desktop, and hi, long time no see :D |
| [03:33:18] | Zider: | still, using one distro doesn't mean you don't know about any other ;) |
| [03:33:19] | DeKay: | I like gentoo a lot. It is often harder to do something, but you learn a ton on the way. |
| [03:33:24] | LoneShadow: | err |
| [03:33:31] | LoneShadow: | GreyFoxx: gyration air mouse for your desktop, and hi, long time no see :D |
| [03:34:02] | GreyFoxx: | I've had agyration keyboard+mouse since 02 |
| [03:34:39] | jams: | works great |
| [03:35:22] | LoneShadow: | are they good ? |
| [03:35:24] | jams: | except if you have a plasma, seems they generate rf noise that the gyration mouse doens't like |
| [03:35:39] | LoneShadow: | hey GreyFoxx: how are things with msntv these days ? I see that the forum is closed |
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| [03:35:54] | GreyFoxx: | we had a cheap set of baby monitors that use to hate my keyboard, but we replaced it :) |
| [03:36:33] | Jaydouble1: | in order to make my IR blaster work, i got to set permissions everytime I restart my machine, how can I automate this? |
| [03:38:22] | jams: | Jaydouble1- the "proper" way would be to modify the udev rule that creates the device |
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| [03:39:59] | acr: | if I've got an old computer as a front end, is it normal for the picture to be jerky? |
| [03:40:02] | jams: | GreyFoxx- do you have a time frame for when you might be able to help me, or should I stop holding my breath |
| [03:40:26] | LoneShadow: | GreyFoxx: YGPM |
| [03:41:58] | Jaydouble1: | jams how would I do that? |
| [03:43:16] | jams: | Jaydouble1- it partialy depends on your distro, it shouldn't be to hard to find out the specifics for your distro. |
| [03:43:50] | jams: | which one are you using? |
| [03:44:18] | Jaydouble1: | (/dev/ttyS0) |
| [03:44:28] | Jaydouble1: | ubuntu |
| [03:44:38] | Jaydouble1: | im googlin right now |
| [03:44:56] | jams: | sorry don't know anything about ubuntu. |
| [03:45:03] | Jaydouble1: | alright |
| [03:45:18] | Jaydouble1: | how would you write the udev rule then? |
| [03:45:21] | DeKay: | night all |
| [03:50:19] | jams: | Jaydouble1- i don't know where ubunta keeps them, but it might be in /etc/udev/rules. if can find the rule for ttyS change or add the line item of MODE="0666" or whatever mode you wnat |
| [03:53:50] | monkeyBox: | Anyone here watch Heroes? |
| [03:53:57] | acr: | monkeyBox: _yes_ |
| [03:54:05] | acr: | that was the first thing I set mythtv to record eery week |
| [03:54:29] | monkeyBox: | I noticed that in my guide data there's no episode on the 12th... |
| [03:54:29] | Jaydouble1: | thanks jams |
| [03:54:48] | monkeyBox: | which seems contradictory to epguides.com... |
| [03:54:58] | ** monkeyBox goes to nbc.com ** | |
| [03:55:37] | acr: | monkeyBox: can't help you on that one... I'm working on lirc right now, dont' have frontend running... |
| [03:57:20] | monkeyBox: | oh well, guess we'll find out for sure when that day comes :) |
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| [04:00:10] | acr: | bye everybody. I'm going to start over with this tonight. Too frustrated to keep going with it now :-) |
| [04:00:10] | acr: | bye |
| [04:13:35] | t0ny-p40: | Is there a tool to change the hostname in mythtv? |
| [04:13:45] | t0ny-p40: | I just installed gentoo and moved my database from fedora and I want to use a different hostname then the one used in the db |
| [04:14:08] | Zider: | you mean what hostname it accesses the mysql database on? |
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| [04:17:57] | t0ny-p40: | No the host names in the database like for settings |
| [04:18:17] | t0ny-p40: | how each machine has their own |
| [04:22:51] | kormoc: | t0ny-p40, you only do that if you move the frontend, not the database |
| [04:23:31] | t0ny-p40: | well the frontend is on the same box has the database and backend |
| [04:23:43] | kormoc: | you should say that then |
| [04:23:52] | kormoc: | in anycase, no, there is no tool to do so |
| [04:24:26] | t0ny-p40: | Should I just dump the database then use nano to replace my old hostname to the new one? |
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| [04:41:41] | k-man_: | hello |
| [04:41:54] | k-man_: | anyone have any problems with the backend hanging every so often? |
| [04:42:00] | k-man_: | like once a week to once a month? |
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| [04:56:18] | bakefy: | What is the default port for MySQL? |
| [04:59:00] | bakefy: | I am trying to connect with the XBMC Frontend... I am having trouble. I Can't connect to MySQL |
| [04:59:50] | mikal: | 3306 |
| [04:59:56] | mikal: | Try telnet to that port |
| [05:00:05] | bakefy: | that should be my port. |
| [05:00:07] | mikal: | And make sure you have MySQL binding to the network ip, not the loopback |
| [05:00:31] | bakefy: | where do o make that change? |
| [05:00:37] | bakefy: | do I* |
| [05:00:46] | mikal: | /etc/my.cnf |
| [05:00:49] | bakefy: | thans |
| [05:00:54] | mikal: | (Or where-ever your distro puts it) |
| [05:01:01] | mikal: | Somewhere in /etc/ probably |
| [05:02:17] | bakefy: | so if it says # ndb-connectstring=127.0.0.1 |
| [05:02:23] | bakefy: | I need to change that |
| [05:08:53] | bakefy: | are there any other things that I need to change to connect a frontend over the network? |
| [05:09:46] | clever: | if you change mysql to bind to the network ip |
| [05:09:55] | clever: | then the backend that uses loopback may start to fail to connect |
| [05:10:04] | clever: | and youll need to update the mysql.txt for it |
| [05:10:22] | bakefy: | okay |
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| [05:25:09] | mikal: | ndb is wrong |
| [05:25:13] | mikal: | That's MySQL cluster |
| [05:25:46] | mikal: | Look for something like bind-address = 127.0.0.1 |
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| [05:32:06] | achew22: | xris, are you around? |
| [05:32:51] | clever: | he has been idle 5 hours on irc |
| [05:32:59] | achew22: | damn... |
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| [05:48:33] | ** LLyric idly wonders why his transcode never seems to work... ** | |
| [05:50:15] | ** clever wondes why i didnt see any details as to which source and dest codec where being used ** | |
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| [06:03:54] | LLyric: | clever: what are "good settings" for SD DVB? The native recordings are MPEG2/720x576 @ about 1.3MByte/sec. No wonder I keep running out of space. |
| [06:04:16] | clever: | the default codec i had was rtjpeg |
| [06:04:20] | clever: | sometimes 5gig/hour |
| [06:04:35] | clever: | horible:P |
| [06:05:00] | clever: | ive got mine set to mpeg4 encoding for the default recording profile |
| [06:05:05] | clever: | frame grabber card |
| [06:06:27] | ** LLyric fires up mythfrontend over ssh-X11. Hmm, slow. ** | |
| [06:06:45] | clever: | yeah alot of things are painfully slow over ssh forwarding |
| [06:07:03] | LLyric: | Is there an easy way to go back to QT, not ogl? |
| [06:07:16] | clever: | dont know |
| [06:08:32] | LLyric: | Looks beautiful @1920 though :) |
| [06:13:03] | doc|home: | frontend is sometimes slow even without X forwarding ;/ |
| [06:13:59] | ** LLyric goes to the lounge to fiddle with transcode settings again ** | |
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| [06:15:16] | LLyric: | What's a suitable bitrate for 720x576? 2GB/hr = about 4.5mbit? |
| [06:17:57] | achew22: | LLyric, i think there are bitrate calculators online... |
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| [06:24:50] | t0ny-p40: | myth dct-channel # ./channel 325 |
| [06:24:50] | t0ny-p40: | Communication failed after 5 tries |
| [06:24:57] | t0ny-p40: | whats wrong with my serial port?!? |
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| [06:39:32] | ** nuonguy asks what time is it? ** | |
| [06:42:02] | nuonguy: | my system is confused about what time it is |
| [06:48:52] | kormoc: | nuonguy, http://www.ntp.org |
| [07:00:38] | LoneShadow: | anyone using thier mythtv with a lcd hdtv ? |
| [07:04:14] | erazor: | dvi for the win. |
| [07:04:21] | kormoc: | the best quality is via dvi or hdmi |
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| [07:13:05] | LoneShadow: | it has hdmi for PC, manual suggests using a dvi to hdmi cable |
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| [07:14:07] | LoneShadow: | I just bought a 5200 card for free after rebate, this card has only VGA + s-video |
| [07:14:26] | LoneShadow: | but sounds like dvi is better |
| [07:33:39] | xris: | achew22: ? |
| [07:35:44] | kormoc: | LoneShadow, dvi is pure digital, vga/svideo are digital to analog back to digital |
| [07:36:05] | achew22: | xris, is the cc license okay for a flv player? |
| [07:36:19] | LoneShadow: | yea I know that |
| [07:36:55] | LoneShadow: | but we get very good output from a xbox 360 using a VGA cable |
| [07:37:03] | LoneShadow: | not sure why the dvd playback was not that great |
| [07:37:45] | kormoc: | LoneShadow, pure digital will always be better or exactly the same as coverting to/from analog |
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| [07:38:48] | achew22: | xris, is licensed under creative commons so I don't know if its allowed to be used for mythweb but you told me that you were looking for a flv player and I think this one would work. You can check it out at http://www.jeroenwijering.com/?item=Flash_Video_Player |
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| [07:39:09] | xris: | yeah, that's the one I'm using now. |
| [07:39:21] | xris: | the "require attribution" part of the license is incompatible with the gp |
| [07:39:22] | xris: | gpl |
| [07:39:30] | achew22: | damn... sorry xris |
| [07:39:38] | xris: | yeah, it's a pain. |
| [07:39:53] | xris: | creative commons itself *can* be gpl compatible, but it depends on the specific options chosen. |
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| [07:40:24] | achew22: | if you look at it the code he supplied can you connect the dots? |
| [07:40:55] | xris: | kormoc: oh? I didn't see anything good under the msg topic |
| [07:41:37] | achew22: | xris, would you like help looking? |
| [07:41:38] | kormoc: | [mythtv] Possible FLV player(s) for mythweb? |
| [07:42:17] | xris: | achew22: any help would be appreciated... though I'll eventually need someone who can actually do some coding, in order to get livetv to work. |
| [07:42:34] | achew22: | xris, I like code and have a lot of free time |
| [07:42:57] | xris: | kormoc: ah, yeah, saw that. |
| [07:43:04] | xris: | achew22: can you code flash? |
| [07:43:18] | achew22: | I probably could but I don't have an actionscript compiler |
| [07:43:28] | achew22: | don't they use actionscript? |
| [07:44:06] | xris: | no clue |
| [07:44:16] | achew22: | lets see if I can find a compiler |
| [07:44:19] | xris: | I've never messed with it (not even with the official app) |
| [07:44:29] | kormoc: | Honestly, writing a video player in flash (or in general) is no simple feat, so if you don't know what language flash is even written in, you're looking at a long road |
| [07:44:34] | xris: | I think there was something on /. a couple of weeks ago about swf writing under linux |
| [07:44:50] | achew22: | i'll search... |
| [07:45:22] | achew22: | does anyone know if gestures are going to be supported in MythTV any time soon? |
| [07:46:06] | achew22: | and the reading begins |
| [07:46:25] | xris: | achew22: here's the post that kormoc mentioned: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . hweb;#255702 |
| [07:46:33] | achew22: | yeah I found it |
| [07:46:48] | xris: | I'm also wondering how much the GPL would apply to a "plugin" kind of thing like this, but it sort of rubs me the wrong way to "include" a file in the tarball under an incompatible license. |
| [07:47:05] | achew22: | xris, I'm willing to do it. I don't mind at all |
| [07:47:31] | xris: | achew22: it would be a great help. |
| [07:47:41] | kormoc: | The only issue with using MING is I don't believe you'll be able to do the live tv stuff |
| [07:47:53] | achew22: | ming? |
| [07:47:55] | kormoc: | it doesn't expose enough to allow you to hook in that deep as far as I've seen |
| [07:48:05] | kormoc: | that's the flash lib that php and friends use |
| [07:48:46] | achew22: | ah — what about libflv? |
| [07:49:08] | kormoc: | that creates the streams |
| [07:49:15] | kormoc: | we're currently using ffmpeg to do that |
| [07:49:25] | xris: | achew22: looks like ming would be the thing to use... well, one possble thing |
| [07:49:50] | achew22: | its going to be so simple... you have no idea |
| [07:50:14] | xris: | hopefully |
| [07:50:35] | achew22: | no... my code will be simple. it will be strange and dificult |
| [08:03:48] | achew22: | xris, can't ming play rtsp streams? |
| [08:04:29] | xris: | no clue. like I said, I don't really know anything about flash. |
| [08:17:32] | emja: | i've got about 600 episodes of various tv shows, none of which have a poster associated with them. so I've written a small script to extract a random frame from the avi, annotate it, and save it in the posters directory with the same name (except for the extension) . is there a way to automatically put all the poster names into the database? |
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| [09:04:03] | galorin: | I've got a load of "transcode failed with status: 247" How do I fix this? |
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| [10:15:27] | visit0r: | emja: you might want to add this as a switch to the find_meta.py script http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2734, send patches for me to test |
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| [10:16:08] | visit0r: | emja: or actually, the fetch_poster.py which find_meta.py uses for fetching poster for various places |
| [10:16:26] | visit0r: | from various places |
| [10:17:42] | cschnee: | Does anybody know what happens with the backend job queue and the currently running transcode job if i shut down the box to mount the third pvr150 ? I have some 30 jobs in the queue (busy weekend ;-)) and i dont want to loose anything. |
| [10:23:17] | emja: | visit0r: sorry? I don't follow |
| [10:23:58] | emja: | and that URL failed |
| [10:25:59] | visit0r: | emja: I wrote a script that tries to fetch the poster from movieposter.com and then from imdb. third option could be yours: a video snapshot. |
| [10:26:11] | emja: | ahh right |
| [10:26:31] | emja: | i'm no python coder. heck, I'm not even a bash scripter |
| [10:26:51] | visit0r: | a change to learn |
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| [11:23:42] | juski: | yawning |
| [11:23:55] | rsdvd: | Mornign juski |
| [11:24:16] | juski: | my video uploaded to youtube alright :) |
| [11:25:02] | juski: | hows the minimyth mission going? |
| [11:26:43] | rsdvd: | I gave up yesterday when gardengnome left......I want him to upload his nfs-minimyth so I can try it |
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| [11:40:11] | orko_: | hi |
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| [11:47:08] | orko_: | my osd is only shown in black and white. And can't find any setting to change this. |
| [11:48:24] | pat_: | xvmc? |
| [11:48:30] | orko_: | xvmc via |
| [11:50:31] | orko_: | another problem: when watching a recorded show and then rewind or forward very fast. then my system stucks or freezes. |
| [11:52:14] | pat_: | yeah, it is all related to xvmc, if you change the xvmc setting you can get the colour back and lose xvmc acceleration, it will also help with the sync |
| [11:52:36] | pat_: | search google for something like "via xvmc mythtv" and you'll probably find something useful |
| [11:52:48] | orko_: | pat_ : thanks. i'll try. |
| [11:53:10] | pat_: | (I don't know the answer, I've got an nvidia card) |
| [11:54:56] | orko_: | are the deinterlace filters usefull when is use a tv? the help say they are usefull when using a monitor. |
| [11:55:26] | pat_: | I have a widescreen crt, and they make no difference to me. (so I don't use them) |
| [12:01:14] | pat_: | I don't think they do anything if your output device is interlaced (like a standard tv) |
| [12:01:40] | quicksilver: | actually they can be useful on a TV |
| [12:01:44] | quicksilver: | although I don't really understand why |
| [12:01:47] | pat_: | you would know if your tv was progressive scan, and if so then deinterlacing would help |
| [12:01:57] | quicksilver: | certainly interlacing artefacts are less obvious on a CRT |
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| [12:02:02] | quicksilver: | but they can be seen, sometimes |
| [12:02:09] | pat_: | *shrug* I didn't notice a difference |
| [12:02:11] | tscherler: | hi all |
| [12:02:20] | pat_: | (doesn't mean I'm right though) |
| [12:02:26] | juski: | what interlacing artifacts?! |
| [12:02:51] | quicksilver: | stripy lines visible on fast-moving scenes |
| [12:02:58] | juski: | huh? |
| [12:03:03] | juski: | never seen such a thing |
| [12:03:06] | quicksilver: | I notice it in the startup to the simpsons when lisa is cycling fast |
| [12:03:17] | juski: | not when I *deinterlace* anyway! :D |
| [12:04:42] | tscherler: | I have bought a dvb-s nova-s-plus from hauptauge |
| [12:04:55] | tscherler: | but I cannot scan for channels |
| [12:05:04] | juski: | here's the news people.. even if you're outputting to a TV using the TV output of a video card, you *have* to deinterlace unless you happen to own a nvidia card & tweak the 'flicker filter' settings in nvidia-settings – even then YMMV |
| [12:05:07] | tscherler: | as capture cart I am using |
| [12:05:47] | juski: | who's hauptage? |
| [12:07:01] | tscherler: | jeje |
| [12:07:17] | juski: | tscherler: first of all you need to confirm that the card works in linux – outside of mythtv |
| [12:07:18] | tscherler: | I mean hauppauge |
| [12:07:23] | pat_: | tscherler's hauptage obviously, he bought it |
| [12:07:44] | tscherler: | yeah |
| [12:07:49] | tscherler: | it is runnin |
| [12:08:03] | tscherler: | I am installing since friday ;9 |
| [12:08:18] | tscherler: | Myth recognize the card |
| [12:08:28] | tscherler: | if I am using capture card |
| [12:08:56] | rsdvd: | tscherler : have you tried scanning for channels outside myth – using szap etc |
| [12:09:11] | tscherler: | analog v4l it get probed |
| [12:09:13] | juski: | tscherler: which part of "you need to make sure the card works in LINUX BEFORE trying it with mythtv" is so hard to understand? |
| [12:09:16] | tscherler: | yeah |
| [12:09:19] | tscherler: | that worked |
| [12:09:28] | tscherler: | I creates a channel.comf |
| [12:09:50] | tscherler: | and after some ln -s I get them under undefiended channels |
| [12:09:53] | tscherler: | BUT |
| [12:10:02] | tscherler: | the frequencies are all empty |
| [12:10:29] | tscherler: | when I start myth with my test channel I get the guide information |
| [12:10:30] | orko_: | juski: do i have to deinterlace alsoo when i am using pvr-350 for recording and output to a tv? |
| [12:10:35] | tscherler: | but the channel stays black |
| [12:10:55] | tscherler: | I have now as capture card |
| [12:10:58] | tscherler: | type |
| [12:11:55] | tscherler: | and get as frontend id: Conexant CX24123/ cx24109 |
| [12:12:10] | tscherler: | which seems that myth recognize the card fine |
| [12:13:27] | tscherler: | after adding a video source |
| [12:13:40] | tscherler: | I go to input |
| [12:13:50] | tscherler: | all in the *-setup |
| [12:14:39] | tscherler: | now I press scan channels |
| [12:15:00] | tscherler: | I get a input form |
| [12:15:08] | tscherler: | Frequency: |
| [12:15:13] | tscherler: | is empty |
| [12:15:23] | tscherler: | now I open channels.comf |
| [12:15:51] | juski: | orko_: you shouldn't have to deinterlace using a pvr350. woo! so that's ONE advantage it has! |
| [12:16:19] | tscherler: | so I guess adding |
| [12:16:37] | tscherler: | 12148 to the frequency would find channels |
| [12:16:40] | tscherler: | RIGHT? |
| [12:17:12] | juski: | tscherler: you need to specify a transponder to scan in mythtv-setup |
| [12:17:14] | tscherler: | What do I add for symbol rate? |
| [12:17:29] | tscherler: | juski |
| [12:17:37] | pat_: | orko_: simpsons opening credits have no interlacing artifacts on a nvidia 5200 for me, I just stepped through them (source is transcoded xvid dvb-t) |
| [12:17:40] | juski: | whatever file you used for the dvb-utils scan program will probably give you the info you need |
| [12:17:44] | tscherler: | where do I specify transporter |
| [12:17:56] | tscherler: | hmm |
| [12:18:13] | tscherler: | the channels.comf was created by dvb-utils |
| [12:18:58] | tscherler: | S 12480000 V 27500000 3/4 |
| [12:19:20] | tscherler: | was the line I used to get channels with dvb-utils |
| [12:19:22] | juski: | ignore the channels.conf file for now |
| [12:19:27] | tscherler: | ok |
| [12:19:34] | ** tscherler listing ** | |
| [12:19:43] | juski: | oh crap I can't be bothered with this |
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| [12:19:59] | tscherler: | thx juski |
| [12:20:00] | orko_: | am i right, that because i am using a pvr-350 mythtv can't do anything for me when recording concerining the recording quality? |
| [12:20:11] | tscherler: | :-[ |
| [12:28:18] | GreyFoxx: | orko_: Well, myth does tell the 350 what resolution, bitrate and such to use which will affect the recording picture quality |
| [12:28:29] | GreyFoxx: | and the defaults are not optimal for a PVR card |
| [12:31:48] | tscherler: | 2007-03–05 13:28:14.466 DiSEqCDevTree, Error: No root device tree node! |
| [12:31:49] | tscherler: | 2007-03–05 13:28:14.467 DVBChan(0) Error: Tune(): Failed to setup DiSEqC devices |
| [12:32:54] | orko_: | GreyFoxx: can i tell me optional settings or a link where i can find them? |
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| [12:41:53] | janneg: | tscherler: please check the diseqc setup of the card? you probably want to add a 'single lnb' |
| [12:43:58] | tscherler: | thx |
| [12:44:13] | tscherler: | janneg |
| [12:46:48] | orko_: | does anybody use a VIA EPIA board. do i have to use via xvmc to use hardware mpeg2 or does theboard do it by default? |
| [12:46:59] | tscherler: | yes finally |
| [12:47:02] | tscherler: | it works |
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| [12:51:20] | tscherler: | how can I resize the frontend window? |
| [12:53:03] | orko_: | in mythfrontend settings. |
| [12:53:38] | orko_: | i dont know the english names of the menu entries, but afaik its the first menu point |
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| [12:55:54] | tscherler: | hmm but it is alwys fxed |
| [12:56:04] | tscherler: | I want to resize the image |
| [13:03:05] | juski: | you can't resize the window by clicking & dragging – aka dynamic resizing |
| [13:04:20] | juski: | the size can be set up in the appearance menu in mythfrontend |
| [13:04:29] | tscherler: | I found that |
| [13:04:38] | tscherler: | but the size is sticky |
| [13:04:54] | tscherler: | cannot resize it in the window |
| [13:05:05] | tscherler: | menu point is greyed out |
| [13:05:21] | tscherler: | http://lwn.net/Articles/196617/ |
| [13:05:33] | tscherler: | o into settings and find the selection to add windows decorations. Then launch it like such: |
| [13:05:34] | tscherler: | mythfrontend --geometry 320x240 |
| [13:05:34] | tscherler: | or 640x480 or 800x600 The only bad part is that you can't resize the window after you start it up. |
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| [13:06:34] | juski: | putting info on blog pages is absolutely NO use to anybody |
| [13:06:54] | psofa: | omg juski can read my mind |
| [13:07:29] | Zider: | it can be. :P |
| [13:07:37] | tscherler: | so how can I do it juski? |
| [13:07:59] | juski: | you specify the size of the window in the appearance menu |
| [13:08:27] | tscherler: | yes |
| [13:08:36] | tscherler: | but then I stick with the size |
| [13:08:43] | tscherler: | I cannot resize the window |
| [13:08:56] | juski: | I've already said you *CANNOT* resize it by clicking & dragging |
| [13:09:18] | tscherler: | that sucks big time |
| [13:09:24] | juski: | really? |
| [13:09:26] | tscherler: | like the whole installation |
| [13:09:38] | juski: | tell you what... use something else then |
| [13:09:40] | tscherler: | it is pain in this *** |
| [13:10:00] | juski: | join the legions of whiny end-users |
| [13:10:00] | tscherler: | yeah yeah |
| [13:10:09] | tscherler: | that is the spirit dude |
| [13:10:16] | juski: | it's not a desktop TV app |
| [13:10:25] | tscherler: | has nothing to do with whinny |
| [13:10:30] | tscherler: | yeah |
| [13:10:39] | tscherler: | for the good and the bad |
| [13:10:55] | juski: | so you can't click & drag to rezise the window.. so WHAT?! |
| [13:11:25] | tscherler: | so I do not like that |
| [13:11:27] | tscherler: | . |
| [13:11:43] | Zider: | edit the code and make a patch :P |
| [13:11:44] | juski: | so – mythtv is open source – you fix it to work how you want it to |
| [13:11:55] | rsdvd: | tscherler : feel free to change the code and submit it – that is what open source is all about |
| [13:11:58] | tscherler: | yeah I know that |
| [13:13:00] | juski: | go cry on somebody else's shoulder man |
| [13:13:18] | tscherler: | lol dude you are like to flame not |
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| [13:14:03] | rsdvd: | tscherler : you were complaining that you could not resize the screen – in an app that was never designed to do that .......you opened yourself to be flamed |
| [13:14:46] | tscherler: | juski started way earlier to flame but anyway |
| [13:15:48] | rsdvd: | his earlier comment was "oh crap I can't be bothered with this" hardly flame.......just annoyance |
| [13:16:12] | tscherler: | well I am up to repeat his works |
| [13:16:25] | tscherler: | /q |
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| [13:16:44] | rsdvd: | bye! |
| [13:18:39] | juski: | can't say I have |
| [13:19:02] | Zider: | hmm |
| [13:21:35] | juski: | welcome to the mythtv-users google IRC interface. please whine.. er type your query at the prompt |
| [13:22:32] | Zider: | ;) |
| [13:22:46] | rsdvd: | lol |
| [13:23:18] | rsdvd: | maybe the log bot could change whinny comments into google strings and present a link :-) |
| [13:24:27] | juski: | what do people expect to see as a response when they say "that sucks big time" ? |
| [13:24:51] | Zider: | "yes but you suck more" |
| [13:25:01] | rsdvd: | :-) they expect – "ok giev me 5 mins I will change the code just for you" |
| [13:25:12] | juski: | I think you're right |
| [13:25:22] | juski: | are there any OSS projects who say that? |
| [13:25:33] | Zider: | only if they lie |
| [13:25:50] | juski: | lying.. GOOD IDEA! |
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| [13:26:02] | juski: | it'll be in 0.21 for sure! |
| [13:26:11] | juski: | what will? |
| [13:26:16] | juski: | oh – whatever you want! |
| [13:26:37] | Zider: | omgomgomg! |
| [13:26:41] | Zider: | that's swell! |
| [13:26:48] | dustybin: | ive had mythtv running since last december, excellent stuff |
| [13:27:12] | juski: | but... |
| [13:27:27] | dustybin: | no buts! |
| [13:27:35] | rsdvd: | lol – cynic |
| [13:27:36] | dustybin: | hey juski your that guy from the forum |
| [13:27:46] | dustybin: | hi |
| [13:27:58] | juski: | the one who quit in a blaze of erm.. flames. yup |
| [13:28:08] | dustybin: | oh ok |
| [13:28:28] | dustybin: | i usually hang around the linux channels on efnet |
| [13:28:39] | juski: | I've gone from caring to *absolutely* don't care less (about users) in a short space of time |
| [13:28:40] | dustybin: | this is my first venture into freenode |
| [13:28:49] | dustybin: | heh |
| [13:29:15] | dustybin: | my mythtv box is running nice and smooth on debian etch |
| [13:29:29] | juski: | congratulations :) |
| [13:29:39] | dustybin: | i got lirc working too for the remote |
| [13:29:45] | juski: | you have a brain & it is plugged in :) |
| [13:29:49] | dustybin: | heh yes |
| [13:30:18] | rsdvd: | :-) maybe we should hav some more success stories in here instead of the whinning and complaints |
| [13:30:36] | dustybin: | heh yes |
| [13:30:44] | juski: | HDMI ftw |
| [13:30:48] | juski: | but DVI will be fine |
| [13:31:06] | dustybin: | yeah, but before i buy i need to research some make and models and compatible modelines |
| [13:31:12] | rsdvd: | dustybin : 32" is not nice and big – I've got 50" LOL |
| [13:31:20] | dustybin: | otherwise it could turn into a headache |
| [13:31:24] | dustybin: | hehhehe |
| [13:31:53] | dustybin: | actually there is a list of working modelines on mythtv website |
| [13:32:07] | dustybin: | together with make and model of tv |
| [13:32:35] | dustybin: | is with most things linux, research the hardware before u buy! |
| [13:32:37] | dustybin: | *as |
| [13:33:21] | rsdvd: | I found it easier to get TVs with VGA input......then I just use them as big monitors |
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| [13:36:02] | juski: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRF7LKM47uA :) |
| [13:36:21] | juski: | damn wrong window |
| [13:40:01] | adante: | hahahahah |
| [13:42:06] | adante: | oh that's just awesome |
| [13:45:45] | dustybin: | lololol |
| [13:46:21] | dustybin: | i remember my first attempt at installing mythtv, i was doing it for 24 hours+ non stop |
| [13:53:03] | adante: | yeah i was laughing at that but also wincing, because it's so true |
| [13:58:28] | GreyFoxx: | lolol "/nick Jenetik" |
| [13:58:29] | GreyFoxx: | hahaha |
| [13:58:44] | Zider: | hm? |
| [13:59:01] | GreyFoxx: | Embedded in the subtitles was the guy picking that nickl and joining the channel |
| [13:59:36] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
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| [14:01:00] | gardengnome: | re |
| [14:02:04] | juski: | wb gardengnome |
| [14:02:22] | rsdvd: | hi gardengnome |
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| [14:04:22] | gardengnome: | how's the noobs today? :) |
| [14:05:29] | juski: | bad, as ever |
| [14:05:37] | rsdvd: | we have already had 1 fight this morning :-) |
| [14:05:40] | juski: | very whiny :) |
| [14:06:07] | rsdvd: | gardengnome : did you fix your box last night? |
| [14:06:31] | orko_: | when i use 800x600 in my xorg.conf and watch liveTV. is the picture scaled to 800x600? |
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| [14:06:55] | gardengnome: | rsdvd: no |
| [14:07:05] | Zider: | hey gardengnoob ;) |
| [14:07:06] | orko_: | Or does my tv-out display it on PAL |
| [14:07:08] | gardengnome: | rsdvd: i was trying to study for a test that was postponed.. argh |
| [14:07:12] | gardengnome: | Zider: hey bitch ;) |
| [14:07:15] | Zider: | :( |
| [14:07:21] | orko_: | s/on/in |
| [14:07:23] | gardengnome: | orko_: yep |
| [14:07:29] | rsdvd: | :-( I am keen to try your version to see it fixes mt color issue |
| [14:07:41] | orko_: | gardengnome: yep to my first question? |
| [14:07:42] | gardengnome: | rsdvd: no fixing today, sorry. |
| [14:07:46] | rsdvd: | what test? |
| [14:08:12] | gardengnome: | orko_: yes to your first question. however, the tv-out encoder will scale down everything to PAL. |
| [14:08:19] | gardengnome: | rsdvd: english. |
| [14:08:23] | ** juski wonders if his webshite is still up ** | |
| [14:09:14] | rsdvd: | gardengnome : english? are you in college then? |
| [14:09:23] | orko_: | gardengnome: so my recorded 720x576 picture is scaled to 800x600 and then rescaled by the tv-out to PAL? Nad that all can make the picture loose quality? |
| [14:09:56] | gardengnome: | rsdvd: no. maybe next year ;) |
| [14:10:34] | gardengnome: | orko_: yes, picture quality will be degraded. you can try to use a PAL modeline to get as close to PAL as possible. |
| [14:11:19] | rsdvd: | funnt how you make a mental image of people on here – I pictured you being a 'mature' system admin or something |
| [14:12:09] | rsdvd: | :-) |
| [14:12:21] | gardengnome: | juski: yeah, you act like 12. ;) |
| [14:12:33] | juski: | I know |
| [14:12:35] | gardengnome: | rsdvd: that's not quite right :> |
| [14:12:40] | juski: | clever isn't it ;) |
| [14:13:39] | rsdvd: | when I saw juski's picture it was totally different to what I pictured |
| [14:13:41] | Zider: | very clever fore a 13-year-old ;) |
| [14:13:48] | gardengnome: | Zider: rotfl |
| [14:14:36] | gardengnome: | yay! |
| [14:14:52] | ** gardengnome does the happy "samsung gave me a 200gb drive for a broken 160gb one" ** | |
| [14:15:29] | juski: | ..dance |
| [14:15:40] | gardengnome: | uh, right. thanks. :) |
| [14:16:49] | juski: | rsdvd: I see myself more like one of the blokes off 'history today' |
| [14:16:52] | gardengnome: | i got this drive three years ago, it was DOA. i just got it changed before the warranty expired |
| [14:16:56] | orko_: | gardengnome: does mythtv look ok with a pal modeline? |
| [14:17:06] | gardengnome: | orko_: yes. |
| [14:17:28] | orko_: | cool |
| [14:17:36] | gardengnome: | orko_: what do you use for tv-out? |
| [14:18:00] | juski: | you waited almopst 3 years to replace the hdd? feeling rich were you? |
| [14:18:17] | orko_: | composite right now, because my tv's s-video enabled scart is broken. |
| [14:18:22] | gardengnome: | juski: no, i just had other stuff to do. :/ |
| [14:18:26] | gardengnome: | juski: i'm like that. |
| [14:18:31] | juski: | ;) |
| [14:18:41] | juski: | I need to post my mortgage papers tomorrow |
| [14:21:30] | juski: | wooo Ms HDD rep is here again. there's no need for her to wear those basque-like tops but we're glad she does |
| [14:21:42] | juski: | </letch> |
| [14:22:10] | rsdvd: | lol – perv |
| [14:22:29] | Zider: | basque? |
| [14:22:49] | gardengnome: | rsdvd: we're really messing with your mental images of us, huh? ;) |
| [14:23:00] | orko_: | i use a pvr-350 for recording. which recording codec should i use ? MPEG_TS or MPEG_PS or any other? i want as less cpu usage as possible. |
| [14:23:01] | gardengnome: | everyone on IRC is a pervert. remember that |
| [14:23:21] | rsdvd: | lol...speak for yourself |
| [14:23:42] | gardengnome: | this hdd package is really fluffy. |
| [14:24:00] | Zider: | that looks pretty silly |
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| [14:25:04] | juski: | is that work safe? |
| [14:25:09] | Zider: | yes |
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| [14:25:26] | gardengnome: | if you work in a dark basement with red lights, yes. |
| [14:25:45] | janneg: | orko_: ues PS, it uses less space |
| [14:25:54] | Pryon: | juski: They'll just think you're a cross-dresser |
| [14:25:56] | ** juski starts packing the contents of his desk into boxes ** | |
| [14:26:10] | juski: | Pryon: they know about my other hobby already |
| [14:26:35] | rsdvd: | it is all coming out today |
| [14:27:19] | juski: | they said as long as I don't expose myself to the receptionist again, it's ok |
| [14:28:08] | rsdvd: | lol...what about this HDD rep ? |
| [14:28:47] | juski: | indecent exposure is only a matter of opinion |
| [14:28:55] | rsdvd: | lol |
| [14:30:11] | orko_: | janneg: how is this working? the pvr-350 encodes a mpeg2 stream and mythtv is transcoding this stream with the seting i made? isn't it possible to just dump the mpeg2 from pvr-350 to hdd? |
| [14:30:55] | GreyFoxx: | orko_: That setting tells the card what type of mpeg2 stream to send |
| [14:31:03] | GreyFoxx: | Just set it to PS, and forget about it |
| [14:31:15] | GreyFoxx: | Myth will just read it and save it to disk |
| [14:32:42] | juski: | anyway I protesteth too much – any more & I'll get found out |
| [14:33:33] | rsdvd: | lol |
| [14:34:20] | rsdvd: | the full quote would be 'my LADY doth protesteth too much'....vrey approriate |
| [14:35:08] | orko_: | GreyFoxx: what about the other options? bitrate etc? Are they all send to the card which does understadn these options? |
| [14:36:29] | GreyFoxx: | orko_: Yes, they all get sent to the card |
| [14:36:56] | juski: | must.. resist.. quoting from Little Britain |
| [14:37:54] | ** Dr_willis only quotes from Weird AL. ** | |
| [14:38:24] | orko_: | GreyFoxx: thanks. help much |
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| [14:38:37] | juski: | why is he called weird al anyway? I know some places he'd be considered the most normal person there |
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| [14:53:42] | juski: | they is bad bwoys coz they cant talk right qight |
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| [14:55:26] | juski: | fizzle ma schnizzle, yizzle? |
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| [15:43:32] | kslater: | juski – on Wierd Al Yankovich – his dad was a semi-famous big band leader IIRC. I think the name was to keep old folk from confusion. |
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| [15:55:46] | juski: | can anyone recommend a good make of HDD caddy? |
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| [15:57:20] | stuarta: | not personally, but i've seen a few i'd like to try out |
| [15:58:11] | juski: | I've tried a lot of them – all sub-par so far |
| [15:58:30] | juski: | either that or the purchasing dept say "noooo too expensive" |
| [15:58:56] | juski: | we want quality but dont wanna pay.. how's that work out? ;) |
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| [15:59:07] | stuarta: | you get what you pay for... |
| [15:59:40] | juski: | I know |
| [16:00:00] | juski: | though sometimes doesn't work that you get more when you pay more ;) |
| [16:00:35] | stuarta: | monster cable comes to mind |
| [16:17:02] | juski: | ;) |
| [16:37:01] | fysa: | What would cause an nfs mount to take ages (several minutes) on boot, but near instantaneous after boot? |
| [16:37:21] | stuarta: | timesync |
| [16:37:26] | stuarta: | also dns |
| [16:38:16] | jams: | or portmap isn't started before the boot mount takes place. |
| [16:38:23] | fysa: | oo |
| [16:38:35] | fysa: | that's a good one to check. |
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| [16:41:03] | juski: | portmap makes a massive difference |
| [16:42:27] | fysa: | I'm doing the mount in boot.local, so portmap probably doesn't come until much later. so if portmap launches, my nfs mount may need to timeout internally before even attempting to take advantage of it.. |
| [16:45:10] | juski: | I think it only makes a real diff if portmap is running on the host -o- |
| [16:46:06] | jams: | needs to run on the client as well |
| [16:47:29] | stuarta: | should only need to run on the server |
| [16:47:42] | stuarta: | since it's only used to find out what port a given service is running on |
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| [16:49:32] | jams: | not according to the howto and my own personal experiance. |
| [16:50:24] | fysa: | I think that did it. |
| [16:50:27] | GreyFoxx: | You do have to run it on the client, I've been bitten by that several times |
| [16:50:43] | fysa: | I threw /etc/init.d/portmap start before the mount in boot.local, and no delay. |
| [16:51:07] | jams: | fysa- cool |
| [16:51:11] | fysa: | let me reboot and try it one more time. |
| [16:52:34] | fysa: | inittab was launching X before /home was mounted, so I had to add a kill X after the mount to get rid of a kstartupconfig error. ;) |
| [16:53:29] | fysa: | perfect. thanks! |
| [16:54:02] | fysa: | now to script updating of my PXE config so I can reboot to Windows via a button on my remote. ;) |
| [16:54:16] | fysa: | and vice versa, of course. ;) |
| [16:56:42] | juski: | ha. I can never remember until it's tripped me up |
| [16:57:38] | planktonboy: | hi all |
| [16:58:10] | planktonboy: | just got my copy of Hacking Mythtv, looks like a good read |
| [17:00:01] | planktonboy: | by the way, does anyone in here use an SB Live 5.1 card in their setup |
| [17:00:04] | fysa: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| [17:00:30] | fysa: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Special: . . . ve&go=Go |
| [17:01:30] | juski: | I'd use an SB live for holding the computer room door open |
| [17:01:44] | juski: | at a push |
| [17:01:58] | planktonboy: | thanks fysa, haha |
| [17:02:29] | planktonboy: | I'll have a look at those links first |
| [17:02:34] | juski: | hmmm a hdd caddy our purchasing dept. are recommending ... "hiya-tec". ffs |
| [17:02:43] | juski: | the mark of quality |
| [17:03:03] | planktonboy: | yeah..but it was a leftover from some stuff I had lying around |
| [17:03:26] | planktonboy: | I got 3 Creamware Scope cards in my Music PC upstairs |
| [17:03:51] | juski: | any $20 card will do if you're only after digital output |
| [17:04:07] | planktonboy: | but they are a bit ott for mythtv :) |
| [17:04:15] | planktonboy: | besides no linux drivers for them |
| [17:04:27] | planktonboy: | www.creamware.de |
| [17:04:42] | planktonboy: | just in case you were interested :) |
| [17:04:50] | planktonboy: | anyways thanks.... |
| [17:04:55] | fysa: | does usb-audio have spdif working? |
| [17:05:54] | juski: | which usb-audio? |
| [17:06:04] | fysa: | http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/avcards/6e4f/ |
| [17:06:27] | fysa: | I picked up one of these a year ago and ran into a problem where SPDIF in general wasn't working with the top-level USB audio driver. |
| [17:06:36] | planktonboy: | yeah I been reading up all over google on sblive links...but havent found a way to sort out my issue yet |
| [17:06:39] | fysa: | don't need it anymore, but just curious. |
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| [17:08:48] | fysa: | I'm going to take a moment of silence in appreciation of the proliferation of SPDIF and optical interconnects. |
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| [17:10:41] | juski: | gold-plated opticals, FTW!!!!!!! |
| [17:12:18] | fysa: | hmm. hibernate with a netboot machine may be slower than a cold boot. |
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| [17:13:35] | stuarta: | fysa: especially if where you swap out to is on nfs :-P |
| [17:13:45] | fysa: | exactly. |
| [17:14:04] | stuarta: | all memory -> swap via nfs = slow .... |
| [17:14:16] | juski: | what about STR ? |
| [17:14:28] | juski: | dpesite it being a complete PIG I mean... |
| [17:17:14] | fysa: | haven't been able to get STR to work with this onboard 6150 yet. |
| [17:18:49] | juski: | heh. so many boards have chips that fail to wake up properly – totally defeats the whole point of suspend states |
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| [17:22:23] | juski: | I'm now officially about to go into overload, I've read so much Engrish marketing-speak |
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| [17:23:11] | akifdino: | helloo |
| [17:24:56] | juski: | helloooo! |
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| [17:30:02] | akifdino_: | can anyone recommend haupauges pvr 500 for a intel pentium III 1ghz computer which will run mythbackend and frontend on it? |
| [17:30:55] | juski: | yep |
| [17:31:40] | juski: | 1ghz won't get you spectacular performance but it'll work pretty well |
| [17:31:54] | juski: | I don't recommend you use less than 512MB RAM though |
| [17:32:13] | akifdino_: | which tactfrequency would i need at least? it has 1gb of memory |
| [17:32:32] | juski: | I also don't recommend you use a non-nvidia vga card either ;) |
| [17:32:37] | juski: | 1GB will be enough |
| [17:32:52] | juski: | 1ghz cpu will be about enough too – only just |
| [17:33:49] | akifdino_: | one more question i would like to ask is, i'm using debians mythtv package which has 0.20 version, can i use the mythweb plugin from svn with it? |
| [17:34:08] | cesman: | no |
| [17:34:39] | juski: | all components must be the same version |
| [17:34:44] | juski: | yes |
| [17:34:45] | akifdino_: | ok |
| [17:35:08] | juski: | but you cannot then take the database which was used by the SVN version & go back to using an earlier version |
| [17:35:10] | akifdino_: | could i also just leave the database and reinstall the new svn version |
| [17:35:20] | akifdino_: | juski: ok i see |
| [17:35:29] | juski: | I WOULD ALWAYS RECOMMEND BACKING UP THE DATABASE |
| [17:35:34] | juski: | and yes I meant to shout that |
| [17:35:35] | akifdino_: | ok |
| [17:36:10] | cesman: | juski: shout it from the rooftop! |
| [17:36:12] | akifdino_: | well the database does not contain much in my case, only music and video files which i could let mythtv scan for it again |
| [17:36:27] | akifdino_: | juski: thank you i did understand what you mean. i'll back it up for shure |
| [17:36:46] | ** juski backs up his db every night regardless of upgrades ** | |
| [17:39:43] | jams: | same here |
| [17:40:01] | jams: | and right before upgrades |
| [17:40:56] | juski: | upgrades/changes |
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| [17:42:55] | juski: | arghhhh the same names – the usual suspects – keep coming up in my searches :( |
| [17:45:45] | juski: | we should just make our own – at least then we'd be in control of quality |
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| [18:34:06] | Chicago: | Is WinMyth recommend for use on XP or is there some other preferred place to download an XP binary installer for the frontend? |
| [18:34:13] | immolo: | Speaking of database backs ups whats the best way to do it anyway |
| [18:34:46] | immolo: | I don't think winmyth works anymore |
| [18:35:21] | Chicago: | Hmm... what level of database backup are you wanting? |
| [18:36:02] | immolo: | full myth back up |
| [18:36:40] | rsdvd: | immolo : spimplest a mysqldump |
| [18:37:06] | rsdvd: | musqldump mythconverg > backup.sql |
| [18:37:25] | immolo: | cool thanks |
| [18:37:33] | Chicago: | immolo: I don't know how other people do it... but sometimes a full backup is not desired. Do you just want to export and preserve the meta-data for your recordings? Or do you prefer not to rebuild your mythmusic database and video manager database again? |
| [18:38:04] | immolo: | I only use myth for recordings |
| [18:38:19] | immolo: | my network lags too much for a frontend |
| [18:39:59] | Chicago: | immolo: What are you backing up your database for then, just the settings on the backend of your capture inputs? |
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| [18:40:32] | CharlieSu: | anyone know of a package that will allow transcoding for V4L from mythweb? |
| [18:41:02] | immolo: | Chicago- inputs, channel info etc |
| [18:41:40] | fryfrog: | might as well just get the whole thing |
| [18:41:47] | fryfrog: | you can pipe it through bzip2 if you want |
| [18:41:49] | immolo: | thats my thought |
| [18:42:10] | fryfrog: | mysqldump --opt -u<user> -p mythconverg | bzip2 > file.sql.bz2 |
| [18:42:13] | fryfrog: | damnit1 |
| [18:42:17] | fryfrog: | to slow :p |
| [18:42:40] | Chicago: | So is there an XP binary of a recent frontend available? |
| [18:42:46] | immolo: | loll, thanks guys Ryushin command is just what i'm looking for |
| [18:43:31] | Ryushin: | You might want to put that in /etc/cron.daily/db_backups and add this to it: /bin/rm -f `/usr/bin/find /var/db_backups -type f -mtime +21` |
| [18:43:41] | Ryushin: | It'll give you 21 days worth of backups. |
| [18:44:01] | fryfrog: | I like rsnapshot myself |
| [18:44:03] | immolo: | Ryushin- cheers |
| [18:45:03] | Ryushin: | Oh, I set up distcc in my house. I have a backend with 2 cores and a front end with 2 cores. Man, compiles are fun now. |
| [18:46:30] | immolo: | :o |
| [18:48:11] | Ryushin: | fryfrog: Can rsnapshot work with databases? |
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| [19:05:27] | fryfrog: | Ryushin: rsnapshot can be setup to run a script |
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| [19:05:44] | fryfrog: | Ryushin: so i have a db backup script and so rsnapshot runs it when it fires off, keeps it in a folder named like "db_backup" |
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| [19:19:42] | Devvo: | there's an excellent mysql backup tool somewhere |
| [19:20:20] | Chicago: | the PHPMySQLAdmin is a great backup tool. |
| [19:20:31] | Devvo: | it's called automysqlbackup.sh – google it |
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| [19:21:18] | Juski: | well, we downgraded our tv channel package, saving15 GBP a month :) |
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| [19:22:10] | SadEagle: | Q: is there a global timezone offset setting for datadirect sources? |
| [19:22:32] | Juski: | hahaha ITV play has been taken off the air. result! |
| [19:22:33] | Chicago: | Aren't there free satellite broadcasts? With a dish pointed in the right direction and a decoder... there's a signal... |
| [19:23:01] | Juski: | Chicago: yeah but what you get for 'free' is mostly not worth watching |
| [19:23:24] | Juski: | e.g. Freesat for UK folks is mostly religion, musak, quiz & shopping channels |
| [19:23:36] | Chicago: | No news? |
| [19:23:43] | Juski: | shite news channels |
| [19:24:15] | Juski: | who'd have a dish just for rolling news channels though? ;) |
| [19:24:50] | Chicago: | Or network broadcasts... |
| [19:24:57] | Chicago: | sitcoms and PBS |
| [19:25:17] | Chicago: | maybe sports |
| [19:25:26] | Juski: | with TV packages you tend to get what you pay for |
| [19:25:51] | Juski: | less so in the uk where the majority of stuff worth watching is already FTA |
| [19:26:49] | dustybin: | im gonna see how long i can keep my mythtv box on for |
| [19:27:11] | dustybin: | 19:26:48 up 23:17, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| [19:27:19] | dustybin: | ..early days yet! |
| [19:28:18] | Chicago: | So is there a solution for getting mythfrontend on windows? |
| [19:28:31] | fryfrog: | yes, install linux :) |
| [19:28:35] | Chicago: | I have linux. |
| [19:28:42] | kormoc: | Chicago, get out your coder boots |
| [19:28:44] | fryfrog: | or use vista and its built in tv shit |
| [19:29:09] | Chicago: | kormoc: Isn't there a working project somewhere to just compile the stable branch of? |
| [19:29:32] | kormoc: | Chicago, no, there's been projects in the past to do it, but they've never made much progress |
| [19:29:36] | Chicago: | eh |
| [19:29:49] | Chicago: | I only ask once a year about windows builds... |
| [19:29:59] | Chicago: | VLC works good enough |
| [19:38:53] | Juski: | Nero's 'theater' thingy works great with mythtv's upnp stuff |
| [19:39:03] | SadEagle: | hmm, nm that question everyone ignored anyway — seems like intermittent problem on the zap2it end, had to mythfilldatabase --refresh-all to clear it up |
| [19:39:31] | tha_toadman: | the backups you guy were chatting about a while ago, would i need to do that if i have existing shows that i need to xfer from one myth backend to another? |
| [19:39:46] | Juski: | tha_toadman: yes |
| [19:40:01] | tha_toadman: | i'm in need of dumping shows and the database over to a new machine — ohh boy! :-) |
| [19:40:14] | Juski: | and if you don't want to have to do mysql-fu on the new machine, keep the paths the same too |
| [19:40:37] | tha_toadman: | yeah, i'll most likely do that |
| [19:41:11] | tha_toadman: | i think i'll use phpmyadmin – i've used it before and am comfortable with it |
| [19:41:53] | Juski: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Backup_your_database |
| [19:42:28] | tha_toadman: | do the shows come with it – or just the listings? |
| [19:43:27] | Juski: | what do you think since it's just a *database* backup? |
| [19:43:56] | tha_toadman: | i want to keep the shows already recorded |
| [19:44:02] | GreyFoxx: | :q |
| [19:44:06] | GreyFoxx: | oops :) |
| [19:45:51] | Juski: | if you want to keep the shows aswell you need to copy them across too |
| [19:45:56] | Juski: | !!!!!!!!! |
| [19:46:28] | Juski: | unless by some weird freak of science it'll happen by symbiosis ;) |
| [19:46:35] | tha_toadman: | now now |
| [19:49:27] | Ryushin: | Why not just image one hard drive to the new hard drive? |
| [19:49:32] | akifdino_: | is there a documentation how to install mythtv from svn on debian? |
| [19:50:27] | Ryushin: | apt-get install subversion |
| [19:50:46] | akifdino_: | Ryushin: no not svn subversion, i mean mythtv from svn |
| [19:50:48] | tha_toadman: | i'm interesting in a imaging solution if that would work best |
| [19:51:13] | Ryushin: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ |
| [19:51:31] | tha_toadman: | norton ghost then or something else? |
| [19:52:10] | Ryushin: | Acronis is by far and the way is the best for the money. I've tried all the free ones, and well, they suck. |
| [19:52:42] | tha_toadman: | ok cool – i'll look into that then – thanks! |
| [19:53:44] | Ryushin: | You will need a windows machine to install it so you can burn a "rescue" disk that you boot from. This is True Image which will allow you to image one machine to another, or Disk Director which will allow you to copy/resize/etc. partitions from the same drive or to another drive. |
| [19:54:29] | Ryushin: | Think of Disk Director like Partition Magic and True Image like Ghost. |
| [19:55:00] | Ryushin: | True Image will allow you to resize the image during the 2nd transfer. |
| [19:55:21] | Ryushin: | You can then use knoppix or another tool and use kparted to resize the partitions from there. |
| [19:58:09] | tha_toadman: | cool – appreciate it |
| [19:58:19] | Ryushin: | no problem. Have fun. |
| [19:58:27] | tha_toadman: | i'll try ;-) |
| [19:58:58] | Ryushin: | I dislike having to buy software if a free alternative exists, but there isn't one. |
| [19:59:10] | tha_toadman: | yeah i hear ya there |
| [19:59:30] | Ryushin: | Oh, and Disk Director can save your bacon if you accidently overwrite the partition table. |
| [19:59:39] | tha_toadman: | i wonder if 'hirens boot cd' has that program on it |
| [20:00:00] | Ryushin: | It saved my bacon a couple of weeks ago. gpart and testdisk both couldn't recover my partition table. |
| [20:00:11] | akifdino_: | does anyone know how the parameter --arch looks for a amd64 bit processor? |
| [20:03:13] | fej64: | Is there a consensus on which DVD burner to use with mythtv similar to which recorder card to use (PVR-250)? |
| [20:03:24] | fej64: | I am about to buy a DVD burner, and would like the minimal hassle |
| [20:05:44] | Juski: | dvd writer == dvd writer == dvd writer, no? |
| [20:06:15] | Juski: | they're all pretty much of a muchness now IMHO |
| [20:06:27] | fej64: | uh what |
| [20:06:40] | Juski: | they're all pretty much alike, unlike capture cards |
| [20:06:45] | fej64: | i see |
| [20:06:52] | Zider: | dvd writer doesn't need specific drivers |
| [20:06:58] | fej64: | can i just drop it in and myth will auto detect |
| [20:07:05] | fej64: | or do i need to edit config files first? |
| [20:07:07] | Juski: | not myth.. it's linux |
| [20:07:24] | akifdino_: | mythtv requires qmake which i do not have, does anyone know which make it is? |
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| [20:08:36] | SadEagle: | akifdino_: it comes with Qt, which IIRC mythtv also requires |
| [20:08:48] | fej64: | well yes, but will it be auto detected? |
| [20:09:00] | akifdino_: | i would probaply need the dev package for debian, will I? |
| [20:09:35] | akifdino_: | is qt version 3 ok_ |
| [20:09:51] | gbee: | qt v.3 is the only one supported :) |
| [20:09:57] | akifdino_: | ok |
| [20:10:23] | fryfrog: | if my mythbackend thinks it has 2 commflags running and it really doesn't, what can i do to unstick it? |
| [20:10:38] | akifdino_: | has anyone mythtv svn version running on debian |
| [20:11:02] | gbee: | fryfrog: tried 'stopping' the commflag job from mythfrontend? |
| [20:12:04] | gbee: | fej64: it will work and won't require editing config files, although it it uses a non-standard device path then you'll need to change it in the settings |
| [20:12:27] | fryfrog: | it isn't running |
| [20:12:32] | fryfrog: | i just deleted the job's from the queue |
| [20:12:58] | fej64: | gbee: thats exactly what i was looking for, thanks! |
| [20:14:04] | Juski: | why didn't you ask for exactly what you were looking for then? ;) |
| [20:14:37] | fej64: | i am apparently a bad communicator |
| [20:14:40] | fej64: | :) |
| [20:15:32] | SadEagle: | if people always knew what they were looking for, they would rarely have problem finding it :-) |
| [20:16:18] | fryfrog: | You know, its always the last place you look! So you should think of the last place you'd look and look there. |
| [20:16:35] | Juski: | the ultimate dichotomy ;) |
| [20:16:46] | Juski: | then it won't be the last place you look will it? |
| [20:17:02] | gbee: | smart arse ;) |
| [20:17:02] | fryfrog: | YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH WHEN MY WISDOM IS GIVEN!!! |
| [20:17:10] | Juski: | hey that's my line |
| [20:17:12] | fryfrog: | also, you should not type |
| [20:17:13] | fryfrog: | :) |
| [20:17:28] | fryfrog: | holey crap |
| [20:17:29] | akifdino_: | what for are kdelibs required if installing mythplugins from svn? |
| [20:17:33] | fryfrog: | my backend is giving me cpu temp? |
| [20:17:35] | jduggan: | Juski: did you see that virgin media are letting users cancel contracts early? |
| [20:17:35] | fryfrog: | Current CPU temperature: 44 .. |
| [20:17:39] | Juski: | akifdino_: mythbrowser |
| [20:17:41] | gbee: | mythbrowser |
| [20:17:42] | fryfrog: | in mythtweb's status? |
| [20:17:57] | Juski: | jduggan: yeah. we downgraded our package to the most basic today |
| [20:18:03] | gbee: | fryfrog: been that way for a while now |
| [20:18:07] | akifdino_: | is it the kde browser conqueror? |
| [20:18:17] | fryfrog: | oh |
| [20:18:19] | Juski: | akifdino_: based on that |
| [20:18:19] | jduggan: | Juski: think im going to dump it completely |
| [20:18:27] | fryfrog: | i wonder which cpu its feeding me then |
| [20:18:34] | fryfrog: | and why isn't it in F :p |
| [20:18:38] | akifdino_: | can i avoid installing this particular plugin which is mythbrowser? |
| [20:18:51] | gbee: | only works where the backend provides the info, and is only useful when that information is accurate (which it usually isn't) |
| [20:18:53] | Juski: | akifdino_: put --disable-mythbrowser in the ./configure line |
| [20:18:57] | jduggan: | Juski: the ntl STB is horrid, mine keeps locking up and falling over |
| [20:19:07] | jduggan: | Juski: not gonna go w/$ky then? :P |
| [20:19:16] | Juski: | jduggan: I'd sooner eat my own balls |
| [20:19:20] | jduggan: | hH |
| [20:19:24] | jduggan: | hah* |
| [20:19:25] | fryfrog: | does anyone know where in the db the simultanius number of jobs is stored? |
| [20:19:27] | jduggan: | :P |
| [20:19:49] | jduggan: | i'll miss $ky one |
| [20:20:04] | Juski: | jduggan: it's more than a point of principle. I've never liked $ky anyway. besides I like my TV picture to be clearly received whatever the weather does |
| [20:20:47] | Juski: | if $ky made a hardware CAM available, legally sharable between several tuners I might consider it |
| [20:21:21] | grizzL_: | why would they do that |
| [20:21:23] | Juski: | I'd say "yeah, lemme have your channels but without that ridiculously limited hardware you nonces" |
| [20:21:24] | grizzL_: | 1 cam per tv |
| [20:21:29] | grizzL_: | thats where the revenues' @ |
| [20:22:05] | gbee: | I can easily live without sky one – although I might have missed Lost had Virgin not bought the rights to show it over their on-demand service |
| [20:22:10] | Juski: | I read today that since the 1st March, $ky One's viewing figures have gone down a lot |
| [20:22:47] | Juski: | I've always resorted to 'other methods' of watching popular US TV shows |
| [20:23:15] | fryfrog: | My server's "JobQueueMaxSimultaneousJobs" found in the settings table is set to "2" but I am only seeing one commflag running and there are *tons* of shows queued :/ |
| [20:23:37] | gbee: | as Virgin kept pointing out their viewer figures have been dropping for the last few years |
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| [20:24:09] | jams: | fryfrog- are you looking at the right host? |
| [20:24:31] | jams: | that setting appears to be host specific |
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| [20:25:37] | Juski: | I like my USA TV shows in surround sound :) Not available in 5.1 on UK TV |
| [20:26:12] | akifdino_: | does anyone know which package contains qts multi thread lib? mythtv requires qt-mt lib |
| [20:26:31] | Juski: | libqt-mt-dev perhaps? |
| [20:26:50] | Juski: | if you're on debian try apt-get build-dep mythtv mythplugins |
| [20:27:05] | Juski: | debian/ubunut |
| [20:27:12] | akifdino_: | Juski: god, really sorry |
| [20:27:30] | akifdino_: | Juski: shure, i just had to look for the libs instead of searching for qt |
| [20:27:45] | Juski: | the build-dep stuff catches everything apart from mysql-server in my experience |
| [20:28:36] | Juski: | oh and you might still need libmp3lame-dev & one or 2 other things |
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| [20:29:04] | Juski: | evening stuarta |
| [20:29:16] | stuarta: | evening Juski |
| [20:29:31] | akifdino_: | Juski: i wasn't doing it with build-dep, is it the way which is described in the wiki? |
| [20:29:46] | stuarta: | i'm lacking a tv :( damn useless delivery companies... |
| [20:29:52] | Juski: | argghhh |
| [20:30:02] | Juski: | !trout shitylink naffness |
| [20:30:02] | ** MythLogBot slaps shitylink with a naffness trout on behalf of Juski... ** | |
| [20:30:30] | stuarta: | !trout dhl |
| [20:30:30] | ** MythLogBot slaps dhl with a trout on behalf of stuarta... ** | |
| [20:30:38] | akifdino_: | mhh? |
| [20:30:58] | Juski: | akifdino_: er... I always just do the apt-get build-dep mythtv mythplugins step |
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| [20:31:07] | stuarta: | we are just a bit jaded with delivery companies.... |
| [20:31:22] | akifdino_: | Juski: what is build-dep package doing? |
| [20:31:31] | Juski: | akifdino_: build dependencies :) |
| [20:31:57] | akifdino_: | but the dependencies were solved already since i had mythtv installed as debian packages before |
| [20:32:09] | Juski: | apt-get (apt-get) build-dep (build dependencies) mythtv (of mythtv) |
| [20:32:12] | Juski: | no |
| [20:32:18] | Juski: | you had the *dependencies* |
| [20:32:25] | akifdino_: | ahhh |
| [20:32:27] | Juski: | not the *build dependencies* |
| [20:32:31] | akifdino_: | ok |
| [20:32:34] | akifdino_: | sure |
| [20:32:44] | Juski: | i.e. the sources & headers of said dependencies |
| [20:33:24] | akifdino_: | Juski: and the build dependencies will be made for the 0.20 version, will this be ok for the svn version |
| [20:33:38] | Juski: | should be |
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| [20:34:02] | Juski: | it's very rare that stuff changes *that* much ;) |
| [20:36:38] | Juski: | jduggan: you know the one surprising thing about downgrading the tv package? didn't take them very long to get the box sorted out for it |
| [20:37:06] | stuarta: | you coping without the $ky channels? |
| [20:37:07] | Juski: | we were on the 'XL' deal apparently. God channel & all sorts of tat like that :-O |
| [20:37:37] | Juski: | stuarta: yeah. though last night I did have a slight pang about missing the (completely lame) 'new simpsons episode' |
| [20:37:55] | Juski: | we'll live :) |
| [20:38:01] | stuarta: | most of the good ones are from the older series anyway... |
| [20:38:35] | Juski: | they ran out of ideas years ago |
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| [20:39:35] | Juski: | now it's all about the high profile celebrity cameos :( |
| [20:41:07] | Juski: | all this stuff about $ky ya know.. I might have become one of their customers a long time ago if their box did anything mythically convergent & to hell with the restrictions |
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| [20:41:34] | Juski: | been totally spoiled for the last 2 years though o/ |
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| [20:42:51] | Juski: | everything I saw in the media from CES was all about the 'amazing' tv boxes about to come along. Ahem! hello!!!! where have *they* been all this time hmm ;) |
| [20:43:16] | gbee: | like a lot of large companies Sky are particularly innovative or generous – with dominance comes laziness |
| [20:43:16] | Juski: | preaching to the converted already, I know... |
| [20:43:49] | stuarta: | we converted long ago :) |
| [20:43:53] | gbee: | s/are/aren't/ |
| [20:43:57] | Juski: | heh – add to that they have enough problems doing what they do now at the level of mediocrity they acheive |
| [20:44:12] | gbee: | shouldn't try to type one handed whilst eating an icecream |
| [20:44:31] | stuarta: | ENOICECREAM :( |
| [20:44:38] | Juski: | it's very heartening to know that in all the time I've used mythtv I've not ONCE lost all my recordings through 'bad weather' |
| [20:45:03] | stuarta: | lost?? i'd heard of not being able to playback.... |
| [20:45:11] | Juski: | eek. I'm starting to sound advocate-ish again |
| [20:45:16] | gbee: | stuarta: I'd offer you one, but it would melt in the post |
| [20:45:30] | ** stuarta investigates the freezer... ** | |
| [20:45:49] | Juski: | stuarta: any excuse for the box crashing & needing a £60 engineer call-out to reset it |
| [20:47:05] | stuarta: | sad |
| [20:47:24] | stuarta: | on the bright side, i found ice cream :) |
| [20:47:40] | Juski: | guy at work used to beam about his $ky+.. til the week his warranty ran out |
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| [20:48:05] | stuarta: | and it shit itself? |
| [20:48:24] | Juski: | normally I'd call it a big coincidence but not when everybody else I know who has $ky+ has had that happen |
| [20:48:58] | Juski: | call-out charge, engineer comes out & forces the box to reinitialise itself, losing all recordings in the process |
| [20:49:16] | Juski: | and if that happens to include PPV events you've not yet watched. OOPS |
| [20:54:34] | gbee: | Sky+ boxes dying days after the warrenty period is a very well known and widespread problem – hell it even featured on Watchdog 2/3 weeks running |
| [20:56:02] | Juski: | doesn't stop folks flocking to Sky for someodd reason though |
| [20:56:07] | Juski: | ah well |
| [20:56:19] | stuarta: | something about lost & 24.... |
| [20:57:53] | gbee: | some of it's perception – they think that Sky is better than it really is thanks to Sky's marketing machine, only when they are signed up to 12/18 month contracts do they realise it's not that great after all |
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| [20:59:54] | gbee: | several hundred channels seems impressive if you've never actually seen what crap 99% of them are |
| [21:04:27] | t0ny-p40: | I'm getting a blue line to the left and above does any one know how to remove it? |
| [21:06:07] | fryfrog: | jams: yeah, it was the setting for dumbledore (the host) I believe that i nuked my old (non existant) slave be from the settings (it didn't show up) |
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| [21:18:51] | emja: | t0ny-p40: When playing AVI files? I get the same. never worked out why though |
| [21:19:11] | t0ny-p40: | Its with any video |
| [21:19:11] | emja: | s/AVI/any video format/ |
| [21:19:14] | emja: | snap |
| [21:19:16] | emja: | ;-) |
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| [21:19:38] | emja: | I don't get it with DVD directly, but with all ripped files |
| [21:19:43] | t0ny-p40: | ubuntu did it, then I went to fedora and it did not do it, then I went to gentoo and its back :/ |
| [21:19:54] | emja: | i'm running fc5 |
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| [21:22:26] | ssstormy: | hello, I'm using a twinview dual head setup, and when I changed the settings of mythfrontend to run in xinerama screen 1 (instead of 0) |
| [21:22:39] | ssstormy: | all the menus disappear after the transition finishes |
| [21:23:18] | ssstormy: | anyone have any ideas why this happens? |
| [21:23:51] | stuarta: | how are you running it (the command line used) |
| [21:24:30] | ssstormy: | I ran it from the menu |
| [21:24:41] | ssstormy: | shall I try command line? |
| [21:24:52] | stuarta: | ran the frontend from what menu? |
| [21:24:58] | ssstormy: | gnome menus |
| [21:25:17] | ssstormy: | oh and btw just to throw in, I have noticed that the 'scaling theme' is normally orange |
| [21:25:19] | ssstormy: | but now it's white |
| [21:25:23] | stuarta: | oh, yeah, try running it from the command line |
| [21:26:01] | ssstormy: | no errors |
| [21:26:03] | ssstormy: | except |
| [21:26:05] | ssstormy: | from lirc |
| [21:26:14] | ssstormy: | and 'failed to run 'cdrecord --scanbus' |
| [21:26:38] | stuarta: | i'm more interested in if it works or not |
| [21:27:36] | ssstormy: | yeah, it runs from command line |
| [21:27:47] | Juski: | topping: try looking for something to do with the xvattr set colorkey= command ;) |
| [21:27:57] | stuarta: | and renders correctly? |
| [21:28:08] | ssstormy: | everything works, all the functions, watching TV |
| [21:28:15] | ssstormy: | the mythtv logo is flashing on the bottom left |
| [21:28:23] | ssstormy: | (G.A.N.T. theme) |
| [21:28:33] | stuarta: | okay, something in the packaging then methinks... |
| [21:28:44] | Juski: | oops not topping .. t0ny-p40 that was for yooo hooo |
| [21:28:51] | ssstormy: | the only problem is quite simple- I can't see the words of the menus, or the pic associated with each menu |
| [21:28:53] | topping: | ;) |
| [21:29:10] | Juski: | the gant theme uses alphapulse? heheh didn't think any theme did |
| [21:29:17] | ssstormy: | I tried changing menu renderer from opengl to Qt but no help |
| [21:29:24] | Juski: | ssstormy: sounds like a missing base.xml file in the theme |
| [21:29:38] | ssstormy: | it works when it's on screen 1 |
| [21:29:39] | ssstormy: | i mean |
| [21:29:40] | ssstormy: | 0 |
| [21:30:23] | t0ny-p40: | Juski, thanks |
| [21:30:29] | Juski: | t0ny-p40: xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 1 |
| [21:30:39] | Juski: | it's in the wiki somewhere but I couldn't re-find it |
| [21:30:41] | stuarta: | ssstormy: try both mythfrontend -display :0.1 |
| [21:30:48] | stuarta: | and DISPLA?Y=:0.1 mythfrontend |
| [21:31:00] | stuarta: | DISPLAY=:0.1 mythfrontend |
| [21:31:14] | t0ny-p40: | I got another problem my text for stuff like the recording lists is VERY small |
| [21:31:29] | t0ny-p40: | and I've changed all the font settings I can find and it is still the same |
| [21:31:42] | akifdino_: | Juski: which source do you have in you apt source.list in order to use build-dep properly? |
| [21:31:48] | ssstormy: | stuarta, ok I'll try that |
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| [21:33:51] | ssstormy: | stuarta, mythfrontend: cannot connect to X server :0.1 |
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| [21:34:33] | stuarta: | oh your running with xinerama so you only have 1 display spread across two. |
| [21:34:35] | ssstormy: | I'm using nvidia's twinview instead of actual xinerama |
| [21:34:44] | ssstormy: | but yeah |
| [21:34:55] | ssstormy: | it's not :0.0 and :0.1 |
| [21:35:20] | stuarta: | any way of id'ng a display? |
| [21:35:42] | ssstormy: | what do you mean? |
| [21:36:09] | ssstormy: | know which is which? |
| [21:36:12] | ssstormy: | I'm sure of that |
| [21:36:23] | stuarta: | well i run dual head, so i have :0.0 and :0.1 |
| [21:36:39] | ssstormy: | they are the same display |
| [21:36:50] | stuarta: | that's what i thought. |
| [21:36:51] | ssstormy: | according to gnome |
| [21:36:55] | ssstormy: | I have a resolution |
| [21:36:59] | ssstormy: | of 2720x1024 |
| [21:37:15] | ssstormy: | but it's 1440x900 and 1280x1024 |
| [21:37:20] | ssstormy: | next to eachother |
| [21:37:28] | stuarta: | what version you running? |
| [21:37:33] | ssstormy: | of what? |
| [21:37:38] | stuarta: | myth |
| [21:38:21] | ssstormy: | 0.20-svn20070223 |
| [21:39:04] | stuarta: | i'd try searching the commits list and see if there's anything like what you have that's been commited |
| [21:39:13] | ssstormy: | k |
| [21:39:17] | stuarta: | look for anything to do with nvidia driver support |
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| [21:39:32] | stuarta: | wouldn't surprise me if things have already been fixed.. |
| [21:40:07] | stuarta: | also wouldn't surprise me if it hasn't been seen before... |
| [21:41:41] | ssstormy: | if only I could find the commit list |
| [21:41:53] | ssstormy: | it seems like tehre's logs of the commit list on a billion different servers |
| [21:42:39] | stuarta: | )] [Act: 2] |
| [21:42:40] | stuarta: | [#mythtv-users] |
| [21:42:43] | stuarta: | doh! |
| [21:42:48] | stuarta: | )] [Act: 2] |
| [21:42:49] | stuarta: | [#mythtv-users] |
| [21:42:59] | ssstormy: | ? |
| [21:43:01] | stuarta: | grrr, damn arse windows cut n paste |
| [21:43:05] | ssstormy: | lol |
| [21:43:07] | ssstormy: | I think I found it |
| [21:43:18] | stuarta: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commits |
| [21:43:27] | ** stuarta hates windows ** | |
| [21:43:34] | ssstormy: | now how the heck do I search through it |
| [21:43:50] | ** ssstormy also dislikes windows ** | |
| [21:44:29] | stuarta: | wonder if the google mail archives will do it. |
| [21:50:47] | ssstormy: | I don't seem to be having any luck |
| [21:51:06] | ssstormy: | listing by thread and doing "Find twinview' |
| [21:51:09] | ssstormy: | w/ browser |
| [21:52:33] | stuarta: | try google then |
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| [21:56:47] | Juski: | akifdino_: I've got superm1's debs in my sources.list |
| [21:57:26] | Juski: | deb http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1 dapper main |
| [21:57:30] | Juski: | # deb-src http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1 dapper main |
| [21:58:06] | Juski: | yeah I'm not using wedgy yet.. no reason to if dapper (mostly) works |
| [21:58:30] | stuarta: | one day i'll finish rebuilding my system.... |
| [21:58:33] | Juski: | there's a point – not had to restart my backend since stopping those nasty intrusions to my network |
| [21:58:56] | Juski: | 21:58:39 up 26 days, 13:44, 5 users, load average: 0.31, 0.25, 0.25 wooooo :) |
| [21:59:07] | Juski: | a record for ubunut so far |
| [21:59:09] | stuarta: | did you trout mrs juski's computer? |
| [21:59:26] | Juski: | mrs juski's computer == juski's computer most of the time :( |
| [21:59:38] | stuarta: | got a few boxes at work with 3yrs uptime :) |
| [22:00:03] | Juski: | my gentoo install had uptime (and backend continuity) of months rather than weeks |
| [22:00:12] | Juski: | see how this goes |
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| [22:00:23] | Juski: | I might move to slack for 0.21 |
| [22:00:43] | stuarta: | ug, gave that up years ago... |
| [22:00:45] | high-rez: | <--- 1139 of machine uptime. |
| [22:00:48] | Juski: | or back to gentoo – who knows |
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| [22:04:58] | akifdino_: | Juski: what is superm1 ? |
| [22:08:27] | akifdino_: | i'm getting a compile error with ftheader.h not found, is this known to someone |
| [22:11:16] | Juski: | akifdino_: those 2 lines would go in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| [22:11:23] | gbee: | freetype, no idea what it's being pulled in by though |
| [22:11:41] | Juski: | libfreetype – doesn't mythtv use that? |
| [22:11:56] | akifdino_: | gbee i found out that the includes should include /usr/local/include/freetype2 |
| [22:12:05] | akifdino_: | Juski: yes it uses it |
| [22:12:55] | akifdino_: | what was the option enable-dvb for? |
| [22:13:54] | akifdino_: | i've changed the settings.pro and included the freetype2 path toit, this seems to have solved the problem |
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| [22:14:32] | gbee: | if you have a DVB (Digital Video Broadcast) tuner you need --enable-dvb |
| [22:15:19] | akifdino_: | would the haupauge pvr500 be one? |
| [22:15:27] | stuarta: | no |
| [22:15:37] | akifdino_: | what is the advantage of dvb? |
| [22:16:11] | stuarta: | it doesn't need any encoding to be done. |
| [22:16:26] | akifdino_: | so it can do it with its own hardware? |
| [22:16:29] | stuarta: | which is what the pvr 500 does in hardware, and myth can do in software. |
| [22:16:46] | stuarta: | dvb is broadcast in digital |
| [22:16:49] | akifdino_: | i see, so it is good to have hardware which can do itself |
| [22:17:19] | stuarta: | 1. pure digital = dvb 2. analog broadcast + pvr = digital recording |
| [22:17:48] | akifdino_: | how long does it take to have mythtv compiled on a 1ghz computer? |
| [22:18:07] | akifdino_: | it is compiling for more than half a hour |
| [22:18:13] | akifdino_: | here. |
| [22:18:13] | gbee: | a long time |
| [22:18:22] | akifdino_: | how long? |
| [22:19:03] | stuarta: | 1.5hrs i'd guess |
| [22:19:20] | akifdino_: | ahh, ok thanks |
| [22:19:40] | akifdino_: | has anyone got a picture of the svn version of mythweb? |
| [22:19:42] | kormoc: | akifdino_, there is no solid rule, depends on your compile options, what else the machine is doing, how much free ram there is, and so on and so forth |
| [22:19:42] | ** stuarta pulls more random figures from his ar$! ** | |
| [22:20:11] | gbee: | akifdino_: any page in particular? |
| [22:20:23] | akifdino_: | kormoc: i see, shure, i just wanted to know if i can go to bed, but i suppose it will fail for missing libs soon |
| [22:20:36] | ** stuarta celebrates on Juski's behalf!!!! ** | |
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| [22:20:43] | Juski: | kiss goodbye to about 2 hours compiling mythtv & plugins from source on a 1ghz cpu |
| [22:20:48] | akifdino_: | gbee: actually just to get an overview, the 0.20 version i had was differend i heard |
| [22:21:05] | stuarta: | Juski: itv has suspended all premium rate phone lines |
| [22:21:08] | akifdino_: | Juski: ;-( |
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| [22:21:12] | Juski: | stuarta: I heard that today! |
| [22:21:19] | stuarta: | which means things like itv play can't work :) |
| [22:21:22] | Juski: | itv play has been suspended :) |
| [22:21:53] | Juski: | if I had it in my lineup I'd take a screenshot of it in its suspended state :D |
| [22:22:03] | Juski: | use that as a desktop background |
| [22:22:07] | kormoc: | what's itv play? |
| [22:22:10] | stuarta: | sadly it's still broadcasting :( |
| [22:22:11] | Juski: | not that I'm that petty or anything |
| [22:22:20] | stuarta: | kormoc: a quiz channel |
| [22:22:26] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [22:22:28] | Juski: | kormoc: it's a lame game channel based on prem. rate phone calls |
| [22:22:33] | kormoc: | ouch |
| [22:22:43] | Juski: | they ask questions like "2 + 2 = ?" |
| [22:22:48] | stuarta: | utter crap. |
| [22:22:54] | Juski: | then people ring in saying "four!" |
| [22:23:08] | Juski: | to be told.. "aha! it's not that obvious sorry!" |
| [22:23:11] | monkeyBox: | I can't seem to find where I change the "jump seconds" amount in mythfrontend. Where is that setting? |
| [22:23:23] | kormoc: | like the new fox game show, "Are you smarter then a 5 year old", and surprisingly enough, most people are not... |
| [22:23:28] | kormoc: | Juski, nice... |
| [22:23:31] | stuarta: | monkeyBox: playback groups |
| [22:23:38] | Juski: | monkeyBox: utils/setup > setup > tv settings > playback IIRC |
| [22:23:51] | Juski: | stuarta: in svn it might be ;) |
| [22:24:07] | stuarta: | yeah, suspected that... |
| [22:24:23] | Juski: | 2 answers for the price of none though :-P |
| [22:24:26] | monkeyBox: | Ah, I see |
| [22:24:32] | monkeyBox: | yeah, it's in playback groups |
| [22:24:33] | monkeyBox: | thx |
| [22:24:53] | Juski: | wtf is it in playback groups for?! |
| [22:25:05] | stuarta: | because playback groups are good |
| [22:25:23] | stuarta: | the default playback group is the same as previous |
| [22:25:32] | stuarta: | but you can setup alternative groups |
| [22:25:37] | Juski: | I've been trying to be evil & set my wife's shows to 1.8x speed playback |
| [22:25:38] | stuarta: | with different settings. |
| [22:25:46] | Juski: | it's not happening yet |
| [22:25:54] | stuarta: | you need playback groups |
| [22:26:14] | monkeyBox: | hehehe |
| [22:26:35] | akifdino_: | how can the dbox2 interact with mythtv? |
| [22:26:39] | stuarta: | playback group (wifey), set playback speed = 1.8x |
| [22:26:52] | Juski: | akifdino_: over a TCP connection |
| [22:27:05] | akifdino_: | Juski: what sort of services can they share? |
| [22:27:11] | Juski: | not that I know anything about the dbox2 of course, being a UK person |
| [22:27:26] | akifdino_: | don't you have dbox2 in the uk? |
| [22:27:33] | ** Juski coughs ** | |
| [22:27:48] | akifdino_: | so? |
| [22:27:52] | kormoc: | most people don't have (a) dbox2 |
| [22:27:59] | stuarta: | nope, they aren't native to these shores :) |
| [22:28:11] | Juski: | akifdino_: basically, it streams video & audio from the dbox2 to your myth box |
| [22:28:12] | akifdino_: | kormoc: what do most of the poeple use? |
| [22:28:28] | akifdino_: | i see, streaming. good argument |
| [22:28:34] | Juski: | akifdino_: it does that so you can record your cable digitally |
| [22:28:47] | kormoc: | akifdino_, most people use standard capture cards |
| [22:28:50] | Juski: | somewhat (i.e. totally) unreliably, so I heard |
| [22:28:51] | akifdino_: | i don't have a dobx2, but i was planing to buy one |
| [22:28:57] | Juski: | DON'T |
| [22:28:59] | akifdino_: | no? |
| [22:29:03] | Juski: | no |
| [22:29:08] | akifdino_: | Juski: can you make a suggestion? |
| [22:29:20] | akifdino_: | it should decode cable |
| [22:29:22] | Juski: | the only ones on the market are second (or more) user – very old |
| [22:29:29] | akifdino_: | thats true |
| [22:29:33] | akifdino_: | and very expensive |
| [22:29:36] | kormoc: | a dvb card would do the same, no? |
| [22:29:42] | Juski: | kormoc: yup |
| [22:29:48] | Juski: | a dvb-c card & CAM |
| [22:30:15] | Juski: | I only use my official cable box & a pvr150 card |
| [22:30:17] | akifdino_: | i would like to be able to missuse our local cable provider, i'm fed up with there prices here |
| [22:30:38] | Juski: | akifdino_: oops! you can't talk about stealing TV services here |
| [22:30:47] | akifdino_: | oops |
| [22:30:51] | akifdino_: | did i? |
| [22:30:59] | Juski: | it'll incite somebody to use their special super-powers |
| [22:31:02] | akifdino_: | i'm really sorry, i was loudly thinking |
| [22:31:12] | kormoc: | akifdino_, just don't do it again |
| [22:31:49] | akifdino_: | kormoc: no problem |
| [22:32:34] | Juski: | duh! the settings for those things are indeed within 'playback groups' even in 0.20 :) |
| [22:32:47] | Juski: | muhahahahah |
| [22:33:01] | Juski: | Eastenders at 1.5x, coming up! |
| [22:33:02] | akifdino_: | does the pvr500 come with a cable decoder? |
| [22:33:05] | Juski: | MUHAHAHAHA! |
| [22:33:15] | Juski: | akifdino_: pvr500 is simply an analogue card |
| [22:33:23] | Juski: | with 2 tuners & 2 mpeg encoders |
| [22:33:26] | stuarta: | just remember to associate it with the recording schedule... |
| [22:33:28] | Juski: | so no digital cable |
| [22:33:35] | akifdino_: | does it make sence to buy it? |
| [22:33:45] | Juski: | akifdino_: not if you want to record digital cable |
| [22:33:46] | stuarta: | if it suits your situation |
| [22:34:03] | Juski: | but from the PoV that I have shares in Hauppauge.... |
| [22:34:07] | Juski: | (I wish) |
| [22:34:09] | akifdino_: | Juski: which one would make sence for digital cable |
| [22:34:17] | Juski: | oh god |
| [22:34:22] | Juski: | I don't know |
| [22:34:42] | akifdino_: | is anyone successfuly using a dvb card for digital cable? |
| [22:34:44] | Juski: | if you want pay TV, you need one with a CI slot and a CAM for your cable provider |
| [22:34:54] | akifdino_: | mhhh |
| [22:35:05] | akifdino_: | maybee i find something in the wiki |
| [22:35:27] | Juski: | there's a list of dvb-c tuners supported by linux at www.linuxtv.org in their wiki |
| [22:36:25] | akifdino_: | those are all supported by mythtv? can mythtv use all the cards which are supported by linuxkernel? |
| [22:37:55] | Juski: | the latter, usually |
| [22:38:16] | akifdino_: | haupauge has a pci card called winTV dvb-c which has also a CI interface, but the "Win" in WinTV sounds bad |
| [22:38:30] | Juski: | if the card's drivers use the correct API, then yeah it should work with mythtv |
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| [22:38:53] | Juski: | doesn't make them lame though |
| [22:39:02] | akifdino_: | is haupauge ok? |
| [22:39:05] | Juski: | nor does it if they have 'MCE' in their names ;) |
| [22:39:25] | Juski: | Hauppauge is one of the best makers of TV tuner cards around |
| [22:39:47] | Juski: | for Linux and for windows funnily enough |
| [22:40:49] | Juski: | fyi to find out what tuner cards really suck just look at www.tv-cards.com/messageboard & look for how many people complaining that Hauppauge cards don't work compared to all the others ;) |
| [22:41:30] | akifdino_: | oh ohh souds like a lot of work |
| [22:41:36] | Juski: | Kworld, Leadtek, Twinhan... those names come up a lot :-P |
| [22:42:07] | Juski: | akifdino_: getting good value for money always IS a lot of work |
| [22:42:23] | dustybin: | i use a hauppage WinTV-NOVA-T-500 |
| [22:42:31] | Juski: | research is VERY important, especially for Linux stuff |
| [22:43:03] | ** Juski chuckles. emmerdale will be taking less time to watch from now on.. muhahahaha ** | |
| [22:43:10] | dustybin: | its a lovely small little card and when it works its lovely but there are a few bugs in the drivers at the moment (but this isnt anythting to do with mythtv) |
| [22:43:10] | akifdino_: | yes, you are right, but since i'm new to all the dvb stuff i thought i could make life easier if experienced people could give some help |
| [22:43:27] | Juski: | dvb-c users are even more rare than dvb-s users here |
| [22:43:56] | akifdino_: | yes, but i can not use satellite in my flat, it is not allowed here. |
| [22:44:15] | dustybin: | the Hauppage WinTV-NOVA-T-500 linux drivers at the moment have a habit of disconnecting the tuner from the stream whilst your watching tv |
| [22:44:18] | akifdino_: | since they serve you with cable you must use it |
| [22:44:24] | Juski: | it's not allowed in my house either.. I have something against Murdoch ;) |
| [22:44:40] | akifdino_: | murdoch? what is murdoch? |
| [22:44:51] | stuarta: | who... |
| [22:45:03] | Juski: | it's a magical land in Lord Of the Rings or summat |
| [22:45:27] | dustybin: | Murdoch is the greedy man who bought some rights to a tv channel to keep virgin/ntl away |
| [22:45:39] | akifdino_: | ohh |
| [22:45:53] | akifdino_: | the one who rents you the flat, is he called landlord? |
| [22:46:12] | Juski: | I think you'll find he's a greedy man who owns approx. one third of the world's media companies or so |
| [22:46:31] | Juski: | greedy/lucky |
| [22:46:43] | akifdino_: | i thought his name would be saban |
| [22:46:50] | akifdino_: | is saban |
| [22:47:01] | akifdino_: | in germany we have mr. kirch |
| [22:47:01] | dustybin: | satan? |
| [22:47:11] | akifdino_: | no, hain saban |
| [22:47:18] | Juski: | akifdino_: maybe you'll see some dvb-c users in #mythtv-de |
| [22:47:26] | akifdino_: | ahhh |
| [22:48:02] | Juski: | anybody using neon-wide here? reckon it's ready for prime-time? |
| [22:48:24] | Juski: | I'm pretty sure it is, but if nobody speaks up about problems.... |
| [22:48:25] | akifdino_: | and the gentlemans name is haim saban |
| [22:49:09] | dustybin: | ahhh skins is recording in the background :) |
| [22:49:14] | Juski: | ahh his company's logo was always at the end of 'Inspector Gadget' I think |
| [22:50:04] | dustybin: | ohh no its not |
| [22:50:19] | Juski: | no? me & my damned aged memory |
| [22:50:25] | dustybin: | juski: Skins 14 – E4 Tue Mar 6, 2007 (10:00 PM) |
| [22:50:35] | dustybin: | well worth watching! |
| [22:50:49] | Juski: | hahaha! from el wiki: "A soundtrack LP to accompany the series, named "Inspecteur Gadget – Bande Originale de la Serie TV", was released in France in 1983 by Saban Records, the current production company of Shuki Levy and Haim Saban." |
| [22:51:05] | Juski: | close enough! :D |
| [22:51:19] | akifdino_: | yes Juski thats him, i'm just reading the article |
| [22:51:25] | Juski: | dustybin: watched a couple – it's not Shameless by any stretch |
| [22:51:43] | Juski: | better than fcuk'ing Coronation St. though :) |
| [22:51:46] | dustybin: | ive never watched shameless but i got some recorded |
| [22:51:49] | dustybin: | heh |
| [22:52:36] | dustybin: | 45 programmes, using 64 GB (1 day 17 hrs 39 mins) out of 239 GB (170 GB free). |
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| [22:52:53] | stuarta: | thats nothing |
| [22:52:53] | Juski: | dustybin: put it away |
| [22:53:05] | dustybin: | heh |
| [22:53:27] | Juski: | I need an irssi script to produce that stat on demand :) |
| [22:53:32] | akifdino_: | what about the pvr 350, is it for cable tv? digital? |
| [22:53:41] | Juski: | akifdino_: it's for museums, mostly |
| [22:53:50] | opello: | heh |
| [22:53:54] | akifdino_: | ohh god, not good? |
| [22:53:56] | stuarta: | 136 progs, 278GB (9d 9h 34m) :) |
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| [22:54:13] | ** Juski puts his epenis away ** | |
| [22:54:17] | dustybin: | fekkin hek 7 days worth |
| [22:54:41] | stuarta: | how did i end up with over 9 days worth of crap to watch??? |
| [22:54:43] | Juski: | 7 days 5 mins. I can categorically say there aren't enough days in the week to watch my recordings! |
| [22:54:50] | kormoc: | 0 programs using 0 GB out of 162 GB |
| [22:54:52] | dustybin: | lol |
| [22:54:53] | opello: | haha |
| [22:55:08] | akifdino_: | is anyonoe using the advertisement cut function with mythtv? |
| [22:55:30] | akifdino_: | are there proper algorithms which recognize advertisements? |
| [22:55:52] | dustybin: | uk advert detection doesnt work because of the way the producers disguise the cuts |
| [22:56:18] | stuarta: | depends on the channel and the show. it *sometimes* works |
| [22:56:44] | daviey: | seems to work on US trash shown in uk |
| [22:56:55] | dustybin: | ok |
| [22:57:02] | akifdino_: | stuarta: do you start watching your programm a couple of minutes later in order to avoid advertisements? |
| [22:57:03] | dustybin: | is that logo detection? |
| [22:57:03] | daviey: | i'd recommend using the advisory option |
| [22:57:16] | daviey: | dustybin, naa, black screen |
| [22:57:20] | dustybin: | ok |
| [22:57:32] | stuarta: | akifdino_: i don't watch anything within 7 days of recording it generally |
| [22:57:41] | daviey: | i never use livetv to avoid breaks |
| [22:57:43] | akifdino_: | compilation finished |
| [22:57:47] | stuarta: | unless i really want to watch it |
| [22:59:10] | akifdino_: | mythweb is not include in the plugins of svn |
| [22:59:27] | akifdino_: | and what is libcaudio? |
| [22:59:50] | stuarta: | yes it is. mythweb is part of the plugins. |
| [22:59:59] | stuarta: | it just needs installing by hand... |
| [23:00:11] | akifdino_: | but it doesn't show in the list of enabled/disabled plugins |
| [23:00:23] | stuarta: | it just needs installing by hand... |
| [23:00:28] | akifdino_: | ok |
| [23:00:52] | stuarta: | i'm sure it's even got a README :) |
| [23:01:29] | stuarta: | finally caught up on my -dev email. w00t! |
| [23:04:20] | akifdino_: | i can not find libcaudio, which package is it, i would need it for mythmusic |
| [23:05:15] | gbee: | libcdaudio not libcaudio |
| [23:06:07] | gbee: | allows CD playback |
| [23:06:24] | akifdino_: | aaaahhh |
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| [23:13:01] | ctjctj: | Is there a way to have cut lists applied and then have a show transcoded? |
| [23:13:19] | akifdino_: | has anyone got an idea why mythplugins asks for libmyth version 0.20 when compiling from svn? |
| [23:13:36] | |Torg|: | ctjctj thats its normal behavior |
| [23:14:00] | |Torg|: | and akifdino_ it is becase it needs the lib installed, ie install mythtv before you compile the plugins |
| [23:14:21] | akifdino_: | but mythtv is just compiled |
| [23:14:25] | ctjctj: | |Torg|: The normal behavior is to do the flagging, apply that as a cut list and then transcode? (just making sure) |
| [23:14:54] | |Torg|: | yes |
| [23:15:18] | |Torg|: | or to be more precise, let it flag what it thinks is a commerical, check it with an import and ajust, then transcode |
| [23:15:28] | |Torg|: | that would be closer to how it really works :P |
| [23:15:58] | ctjctj: | |Torg|: way cool. Thank you. 2nd question then, is there a transcode profile that is lossless for HD from the pcHDTV? |
| [23:16:34] | |Torg|: | yes, I dont transcode anymore but at one time I had one |
| [23:16:47] | |Torg|: | what you want to do is transcode mpeg2 to mpeg2 raw |
| [23:17:11] | |Torg|: | although in my case I would often have to transcode to get rid of trash mpeg ts stuff |
| [23:17:38] | ctjctj: | why did you stop transcoding? I think that the pcHDTV uses rtJPEG instead of mpeg? |
| [23:17:41] | |Torg|: | I take it you want to make an ATSC recording with just ATSC |
| [23:17:53] | |Torg|: | umm beace I would turn a 8G file into a 7G file |
| [23:18:03] | |Torg|: | use about 2 hours of CPU per 30 mins of video |
| [23:18:17] | |Torg|: | eventually i simply gave up and built a 2TB array |
| [23:18:59] | ctjctj: | Yes. I actually have two tuners right now. The pcHDTV which does a wonderful job on the HD channels but a shit job on the analog channels and a pvrUSB2 which does a great job on the analog channels but doesn't do any HD. |
| [23:19:26] | |Torg|: | when you say wonderfull are you talking about its flagging or its reception? |
| [23:19:55] | ctjctj: | reception. Just watched my first HD recording and was blown away by how nice/good it looked. |
| [23:20:12] | |Torg|: | thats becasue HD takes allot less to recive and transmit then analog |
| [23:20:27] | akifdino_: | i think i've done a big mistake, i compiled mythtv from source with installed mythtvlibraries from debian, so it compiled against this libs |
| [23:20:27] | ctjctj: | Yep. |
| [23:20:29] | |Torg|: | its actually easier and cheaper to get HD then not |
| [23:20:44] | |Torg|: | another of the BS the cable company et all tell you |
| [23:20:52] | |Torg|: | HD inst more expensive, its cheaper |
| [23:21:38] | |Torg|: | akifdino_ dpkg -e all the myth packages then compile |
| [23:21:48] | ctjctj: | The PVRUSB2 has a hardware mpeg encoder that does a great job. It takes a signal that I was unhappy with and makes it a signal I can atleast stand to watch. Highfrequency filtering is my guess. Plus proper interlacing processing. |
| [23:22:10] | |Torg|: | and USB bus and port speeds |
| [23:22:53] | ctjctj: | Yes, it does run a USB bus and port speeds. But it does work. |
| [23:23:13] | |Torg|: | and I dont really think its a frequency thing, ATSC is in the same band as upper VHF and most of UHF |
| [23:23:37] | Juski: | ctjctj: maybe it's just that the pvr tuner doesn't SUCK ;) |
| [23:23:41] | ctjctj: | The ONLY thing I've found so far that is a bug with it is that when it is reporting the length of the recording in minutes, it adds about 25% to the actual length. |
| [23:23:55] | ctjctj: | Juski: I'll buy that. |
| [23:24:07] | |Torg|: | umm it just may be that your recordings have more in it then you think |
| [23:24:07] | Juski: | add to that the fact that it's not inside the PC – a source of horrendous radio frequency noise ;) |
| [23:24:21] | |Torg|: | go watch your backend log when you transcode or flagg |
| [23:24:49] | |Torg|: | its noramal to retransmit MPEG in ATSC |
| [23:25:10] | |Torg|: | so what you end up with is a bloated mpeg stream with bunch of errors |
| [23:25:12] | ctjctj: | |Torg|: what am I looking for in the logs of the flagging process that will tell me about the length of the actual recording? |
| [23:25:20] | |Torg|: | at least thats what I get :P |
| [23:25:42] | |Torg|: | you mean how much is show vs how much is commercial? |
| [23:26:18] | Juski: | lynx http://downloads.sourceforge.net/xvidcap/xvid . . . big_mirror=0 |
| [23:26:22] | Juski: | bum |
| [23:26:57] | |Torg|: | where does it rport as 1hr 15 mins? |
| [23:27:21] | ctjctj: | When you press the "i" key for info. The bar shows and the total time and the current time mark. |
| [23:28:20] | |Torg|: | I nver really paid any attention to it |
| [23:28:40] | |Torg|: | its preety much a given if I recorded it off ATSC its either 30 or 60 mins with a few shows runnign 5 mins over |
| [23:29:00] | ctjctj: | I do because I rarely get to see a show from end to end without interuptions. The pause key also shows the times. |
| [23:29:16] | ctjctj: | The ATSC redordings are spot on. |
| [23:30:00] | |Torg|: | the shows cutting off at the end and not running to its full time isnt a fault of your tuner, system or even the schdules |
| [23:30:16] | |Torg|: | its the netowrks playing with timeslots and lying about when they run |
| [23:30:48] | |Torg|: | in theory the ATSC should be identical to the NTSC with the expcetion of the signal |
| [23:30:52] | ** ctjctj shakes his head. "No. The actual play time is right. Just the *reported* time in the total time display you get from "info" or "pause"" ** | |
| [23:31:02] | |Torg|: | there is only one stream they rebaordcast from not multiple |
| [23:31:10] | Juski: | ctjctj: can you seek within the recording ok? |
| [23:31:42] | |Torg|: | I would consider it to simply be more of teh damnaged mpeg fooling the player into thinking the reis more then there really is |
| [23:31:42] | ctjctj: | Juski: I can use the skip commercials and the left and right arrows just fine. I've not tried "seeking" not sure how to do that. |
| [23:31:51] | |Torg|: | E Z |
| [23:31:55] | Juski: | ctjctj: I mean ffwding & rewinding |
| [23:32:04] | ctjctj: | Juski: that seems to work fine. |
| [23:32:16] | Juski: | check your recordedmarkup table is ok |
| [23:32:27] | Juski: | mysqlcheck time |
| [23:33:03] | ctjctj: | |Torg|: I'll try transcoding with out a cut list and see what times it reports. That should "fix" a bloated mpeg stream. |
| [23:33:03] | |Torg|: | Juski what database is time? |
| [23:33:12] | Juski: | har har |
| [23:33:26] | Juski: | mysqlcheck mythconverg |
| [23:33:28] | Juski: | :-P |
| [23:33:37] | |Torg|: | no kidding :P |
| [23:33:43] | Juski: | anyway since xvidcap didn't install I'm off to bedski |
| [23:33:48] | Juski: | g'night all |
| [23:33:52] | |Torg|: | night |
| [23:33:54] | ** stuarta waves ** | |
| [23:34:00] | |Torg|: | its about dinner time anyway |
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| [23:34:50] | ctjctj: | Juski: all tables report "ok" |
| [23:35:19] | ctjctj: | Thanks for the help |Torg| and Juski (yes, I know he's gone) |
| [23:35:40] | |Torg|: | ctjctj I would think so, your mysql startup by runing that anyway |
| [23:36:13] | ctjctj: | One of the things I learned a long time ago is that when somebody is helping me in IRC I try things that seem silly to me if only to keep getting help. *grin* |
| [23:36:18] | |Torg|: | mysqlcheck jsut cheks the table stucture to see if its intact, not the data in it or even the indexes |
| [23:38:50] | ctjctj: | I believe that you are correct that it is a mpeg bloat. That the system is looking at the reported bitrate, the size of the file and giving a total time calculated from those two values. Thus if there is bloat, the total time will be wrong. |
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| [23:38:59] | k-man_: | hello |
| [23:39:24] | k-man_: | what is the policy for escilating problems from the mythtv-users mailing list to the dev mailing list? |
| [23:39:36] | |Torg|: | can you code a fix? |
| [23:39:57] | k-man_: | |Torg|, is that directed at me that question? |
| [23:40:01] | |Torg|: | yes |
| [23:40:13] | k-man_: | well.. probably not |
| [23:40:24] | k-man_: | but I'm not sure how to even debug it |
| [23:40:30] | k-man_: | thats what I need advice on |
| [23:40:34] | |Torg|: | well the dev list is for developers and the user list is for, well users |
| [23:40:40] | k-man_: | and my message to the users mailing list elicited no responce |
| [23:40:52] | |Torg|: | what is the problem? |
| [23:40:59] | k-man_: | backend hangs from time to time |
| [23:41:07] | |Torg|: | define hangs |
| [23:41:13] | k-man_: | and I can't see any error in the logs to indicate why it hung |
| [23:41:27] | k-man_: | well.. process stops responding to the front end, but process is still running |
| [23:41:34] | k-man_: | restarting the back end makes it work again |
| [23:41:49] | |Torg|: | what was it doing at the time, system doing at the time? |
| [23:42:07] | k-man_: | what I really want to know is next time it hangs, what other diagnosis things can I do next time it hangs |
| [23:42:23] | k-man_: | |Torg|, nothing out of the ordinary that i could tell |
| [23:42:30] | k-man_: | no run away processes |
| [23:42:49] | |Torg|: | kill it with sigsegv after unlimited the core dumps |
| [23:43:01] | k-man_: | ah... |
| [23:43:02] | Anduin: | k-man_: Is the backend using the CPU when it is hung? |
| [23:43:09] | |Torg|: | then run that coredump againt the elf with gdb to see what it was doing |
| [23:43:22] | k-man_: | Anduin, not as far as i can tell... well no more than you would expect for normal usage |
| [23:43:40] | k-man_: | |Torg|, thats a good idea |
| [23:43:46] | |Torg|: | was it recording, filling the database, etc? |
| [23:44:08] | k-man_: | |Torg|, i'm running the debian marillat binaries... i wonder if they are striped |
| [23:44:11] | k-man_: | stripped |
| [23:44:19] | |Torg|: | undoubttably |
| [23:45:25] | |Torg|: | unless you implicly configure your compile with a ctype of debug you will get stripped libs and executables |
| [23:45:54] | k-man_: | |Torg|, it hung while i was out, so i don't know the exact time it hung, but i do know that it was not being watched at the time |
| [23:45:57] | |Torg|: | I highly dount any package other then the ones I make for my oen personal use are compiled as debug |
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| [23:46:11] | |Torg|: | well other then pacvkages others make for themselves as well |
| [23:46:22] | k-man_: | |Torg|, yeah, i'll see if i can build the marillat packages with debug |
| [23:46:48] | k-man_: | |Torg|, this hang problem seems to happen about 1/week to 1/month |
| [23:47:03] | |Torg|: | why use marillats packages at all if your compiling yourself? |
| [23:47:28] | |Torg|: | wekk if you can not recreate the problem you have little chance of determining the cause |
| [23:47:36] | |Torg|: | its a bit like chasing a ghost |
| [23:48:01] | k-man_: | |Torg|, yeah.... i know... but its worth trying to get a bit more debug info |
| [23:48:16] | |Torg|: | and if the box tells you noting, and neither do the logs I am afarid there really is no way to tell |
| [23:48:46] | |Torg|: | well if you understand how to compile by all means go get the svn code and go for it |
| [23:48:57] | |Torg|: | since you are using debin check out checkinstall |
| [23:49:14] | |Torg|: | you can create your own psuedo packages that will allow you to revision check your compiles |
| [23:50:14] | k-man_: | |Torg|, re using marillat, i guess because I like the debian packaging approach, and also, it would be good to debug what I'm using rather than just switch and forget the bug i think |
| [23:50:22] | |Torg|: | ii mythplugins trunk-0.20–12942 mythplugins |
| [23:50:23] | |Torg|: | ii mythtv trunk-0.20–12942 mythtv |
| [23:50:30] | |Torg|: | not exactly helpfull to anyone but me |
| [23:50:33] | |Torg|: | but you get the idea |
| [23:50:36] | stuarta: | CharlieSu: sure you haven't configured 3 drives for the raid 1? |
| [23:50:51] | CharlieSu: | stuarta: yes.. |
| [23:50:52] | k-man_: | checkinstall? hmm |
| [23:51:05] | CharlieSu: | stuarta: wrong channel though.. my bad |
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| [23:52:18] | |Torg|: | I call the package according to the svn directory and give it a decription of the same (im nto that imaginitive) |
| [23:52:30] | k-man_: | |Torg|, ok... then what? |
| [23:52:49] | |Torg|: | its version is trunk-0.20 off of the svn I used and the release is the svn revision |
| [23:53:17] | k-man_: | |Torg|, cool |
| [23:53:22] | |Torg|: | hence mythtv + trunk-0.20 + 12942 (from svn trunk code taken this am) |
| [23:53:43] | k-man_: | |Torg|, sorry, i think i missed something, do you build .debs? or... what? |
| [23:54:15] | |Torg|: | yes, checkinstall -D --pkgname=mythtv --pkgversion=trunk-0.20 --pkgrelease=12942 |
| [23:54:44] | |Torg|: | they have no dependancy chekcing tho and would break if I ported them to antoher box |
| [23:54:57] | |Torg|: | its simply to keep revisionig straight |
| [23:55:09] | |Torg|: | and so I can track down bugs and revert back to code |
| [23:55:15] | k-man_: | |Torg|, oh, i see... so the myth sources have the facility to build .debs out of the box so to speak? |
| [23:55:27] | |Torg|: | btw mysqldump the databse BEFORE you dpkg -i those debs |
| [23:55:33] | k-man_: | ok |
| [23:55:45] | |Torg|: | debian has a faciality to create debs from source code |
| [23:55:52] | |Torg|: | its really a debain thing, not a myth thing |
| [23:55:57] | k-man_: | oh.... i see |
| [23:56:05] | k-man_: | |Torg|, which is what checkinstall does? |
| [23:56:06] | |Torg|: | if you can make install you can checkinstall |
| [23:56:13] | k-man_: | right |
| [23:56:14] | k-man_: | i see |
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| [23:56:53] | |Torg|: | for my own personal use I run debian stable, install only that libs I need to compile with and run myth unstable |
| [23:56:57] | k-man_: | |Torg|, so... you are running trunk? |
| [23:57:11] | |Torg|: | yes, hence my version name |
| [23:57:17] | k-man_: | right |
| [23:57:20] | k-man_: | cool |
| [23:57:38] | |Torg|: | since svn updates the revsion across everything its the only way to know if its trunk or updates |
| [23:58:18] | k-man_: | ok |
| [23:58:40] | |Torg|: | I have some custom edits in my code too, but I dont really track them other then to create diffs in case svn stomps on my edits |
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| [23:59:11] | k-man_: | custom edits? cool... to do what? |
| [23:59:20] | |Torg|: | umm make it work :) |
| [23:59:28] | k-man_: | what was broken? |
| [23:59:36] | |Torg|: | if you have ATSC cards the trunk code has been broken for about 3 months |
| [23:59:46] | |Torg|: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3031 |
| [23:59:49] | k-man_: | crap, i can't ssh to my mythbox... *sigh* |
| [23:59:56] | |Torg|: | GOD I wish they would fix that |
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