Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, March 4th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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mwolf:

AMD: yeah, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lir . . . d355794890bc

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mwolf:

once you get lirc installed corectly

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AMD-:

you also have a mce remote

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mwolf:

yes

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AMD-:

ohh

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mwolf:

once you get it insalled you need to use a suitable lircd.conf file and...

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AMD-:

so will i have to some how remove the one i have installed now ?

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mwolf:

it wouldn't be a bad idea i guess

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mwolf:

more importantly, are you listening? create a lircrc file. mine is /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc

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AMD-:

yeh thats it

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AMD-:

one more try

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mwolf:

you did it all already? lol

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AMD-:

lol

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AMD-:

what do you have in ther

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mwolf:

what do you mean

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mwolf:

for my lircrc and lircd.conf?

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DeKay:

AMD-: The lircrc file maps the messages coming out of your remote to commands for mythtv. Since there is not a standard naming convention for the lircd.conf messages, the lircrc file usually takes some fussing to get right. But it is easy to do.

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gardengnome:

re

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: any progress? ;)

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mwolf:

yeah i'm still trying to figure out the best key maps i like best

[00:11:42]

mwolf:

AMD: i gotta go. good luck with that. with that how to i know you'll get it. later :)

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DeKay:

I just found out today about the ">" and "<" commands. Now jumping around in a recording is much faster :)

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DeKay:

And harmony remotes rock.

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mortal5:

hello, does anyone know how i might convert mpeg2 to dv so that i can edit it in kino?

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mortal5:

I have ffmpeg installed

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AMD-:

oh no mwolf:

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AMD-:

is he gone ?

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AMD-:

my head is sore..............help

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AMD-:

i have got all the stuff i need im just confused here ........

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AMD-:

If you are using this for mythtv, you will either need to create a standalone lircrc for mythtv in ~/.mythtv/lircrc or create a symbolic link to this file and place all the lircrc related content in /.lircrc.

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DeKay:

AMD-: What are you confused about?

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AMD-:

reate a standalone lircrc for mythtv in ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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AMD-:

do i copy the files from lirc to mythvt/lirc

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DeKay:

AMD-: No

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AMD-:

ok what do they mean

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DeKay:

AMD-: Hold on for a sec...

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DeKay:

AMD-: Look here for an example http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/lircrc-haupgrey-g3.txt

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DeKay:

Name this file "lircrc" and put it in the mythtv directory...

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DeKay:

AMD-: The "button" lines are the sames shown by irw when you press buttons

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DeKay:

AMD-: The "config" lines correspond to myth commands via the keyboard

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AMD-:

ok im going to test it now wish me luck

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DeKay:

AMD-: good luck. I think you need to restart the mythfrontend when you change this file so it picks up the changes.

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high-rez:

My PVR-USB2 keeps timing out (driver issue or bad hardware). Do you guys have any recomendations for hardware to use?

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DeKay:

AMD-: If you run "locate keys.txt", you should come across a file that shows all the cmds that myth understands.

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AMD-:

yeh seems the back button dont work

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DeKay:

AMD-: do some other keys work?

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AMD-:

yeh

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DeKay:

AMD-: Then you're laughing.

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AMD-:

the mce button dont even take me to themain menu

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AMD-:

really

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AMD-:

Dekay: where do i put this begin

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AMD-:

prog = irexec

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AMD-:

button = REMOTE_BUTTON

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AMD-:

config = APPLICATION

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AMD-:

end

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AMD-:

i know now

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AMD-:

lo

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AMD-:

do i just put mythtv or like in windows i would put mytntv.exe

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AMD-:

mythtv.exe

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high-rez:

Anyone willing to recommend hardware? :D I just wanna record able.

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DeKay:

AMD-: Hold on. I'll put a piece of mine in pastebin...

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AMD-:

great idea

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AMD-:

so do i install IRexec

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AMD-:

is this corrext begin

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AMD-:

prog = irexec

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AMD-:

button = Home

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AMD-:

config = mythtv

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AMD-:

end

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DeKay:

AMD-: Hmmm. No

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DeKay:

prog = mythtv

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AMD-:

config ?

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AMD-:

like this begin

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AMD-:

prog = mythtv

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AMD-:

button = Home

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AMD-:

config = mythtv

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AMD-:

end

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DeKay:

AMD-: http://pastebin.com/893015

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DeKay:

You'll have to edit the "button" lines to what irw is spitting out on you

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AMD-:

000000037ff07bf2 00 Home mceusb

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AMD-:

yeh its home

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DeKay:

AMD-: yup

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AMD-:

your file is taking forever to load

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DeKay:

AMD-: That is what took so long. pastebin is a dog tonight.

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DeKay:

s/took/took me/

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AMD-:

yep

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AMD-:

i dont see how this will work thou

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AMD-:

i just pres home and mythtv comes up ?

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DeKay:

AMD-: No. myth needs to be running. This basically simulates keyboard presses while myth is running.

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DeKay:

?

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AMD-:

i have one more thing to sort out

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DeKay:

AMD-: And that would be... ?

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AMD-:

i dont have the option to watch tv any more .......what could be causing this

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AMD-:

i can watch recoded tv ect

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DeKay:

AMD-: You mean it doesn't even appear in the menu?

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AMD-:

exactly

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DeKay:

AMD-: Can't help you there. No idea. Sorry.

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AMD-:

brb i think i know what wrong

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moh:

I have two tuners

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moh:

but if I'm watching TV and the other tuner is idle..

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moh:

why does mythtv interrupt my watching if a recording is scheduled to start?

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Captain_Murdoch:

you need to turn on the setting to avoid conflicts with LiveTV. the default is to use the first tuner, with that setting on, LiveTV will use the last one first.

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dj_segfault:

HI. I'm trying to use DVD-RW disks to record my programs on. I can't figure out the right command to blank the disk so I can use it again. The last time I tried using dvd+rw-format, mytharchive barfed when it tried to write to the disk. Sorry, I didn't save the error message.

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AMD-:

thanks guys every thing works

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AMD-:

well only the sound left i will sort that out soon

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reldruh:

I just finished (re)installing mythv and I get video just fine, but no audio at all..

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AMD-:

me too

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dj_segfault:

What card?

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AMD-:

i have a kworld dvb-t

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AMD-:

100

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dj_segfault:

Did you look in /var/log/messages around the point those drivers loaded to see that they were?

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v jams

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high-rez:

huh, the pvrusb2 just doesn't work well with kernel preemption

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high-rez:

ahh crap, i'm wrong :(

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high-rez:

Any ideas: MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding ?

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cesman:

perhaps asking in #pvrusb2...

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high-rez:

Do any of you use myth with a qam card?

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gardengnome:

probably

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high-rez:

I'm curious what the experiences have been, especially with comcast.

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cesman:

high-rez: check the wiki

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kormoc:

high-rez, you're not gonna get many channels

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cesman:

i believe folks have written up thier experiences there...

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high-rez:

kormoc: That's pretty much what I was wondering. :)

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Z_Morek:

whenever I attempt to install lirc-0.8.1 over my 0.8.0 it gives me a "recursive install" error... how do I remove the old one?

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squish102:

i am soooo happy, i am sooo close to getting a working knoppmyth frontend connected to my hdtv and my FC6 backend...

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squish102:

now to get my wife to give up the tv for a couple hours

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AMD-:

lol

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AMD-:

im still trying to get my sound working

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AMD-:

can any one help me

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AMD-:

i have a kworld dvb-t card

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squish102:

AMD- been there, done that, bought another tv tuner card

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AMD-:

squish102: ohh you are joking

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squish102:

um, not with that card

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AMD-:

it used to work befoul

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squish102:

i had software encoded cards

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AMD-:

dvb-t 100

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AMD-:

are u shure its 100

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squish102:

AMD- i did not have that card

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williammanda:

does kernel 2.6.15 have modules for pvr-150?

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williammanda:

or do i need to load them?

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AMD-:

squish102: is there any settings i can fiddle with

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AMD-:

sound ones

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AMD-:

so do i have to get a new card to fix the sound issue

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Z_Morek:

AMD- what's the sound issue?

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squish102:

AMD- does it have the cx88xx chipset?

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squish102:

AMD- are you getting sound out of like mplayer?

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squish102:

AMD- does the video work with that card?

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AMD-:

squish102: yes its cx88xx chipset

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AMD-:

the video works

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AMD-:

the card workds as it shoudl with kaffiene player

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alsoconfused:

Dr_willis: try hitting 'C'

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AMD-:

Z_Morek: i have no sound

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GreyFoxx:

AMD-: What did you set your Audio Output device to ?

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Dr_willis:

hmm.. C while watching Live tv?

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alsoconfused:

Dr_willis: yeah

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Dr_willis:

heh – thgat did 'somthing' but dident work.. :) got a message error while displaying video.. now got a black screen

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Dr_willis:

:)

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Dr_willis:

perhaps im making this too hard.. did i have to define or do anything to get it to use the svideo or other inputs?

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Dr_willis:

got a black screen now.. Perhaos i locked it up.

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alsoconfused:

try hitting c again. c== change input

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Dr_willis:

yea.. it gave an error.. then quit even trying to change..

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Dr_willis:

did i have to define the inputs befor hand? under mythtv-setup i saw a svideo1 scideo2 composit1 and composite2 there in the menus. I gave them 'names' but they also wanted a channel.

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AMD-:

GreyFoxx:in mythtv-setup ?

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Dr_willis:

which i left blank.

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GreyFoxx:

AMD-: No, mythfrontend

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AMD-:

GreyFoxx: i did not

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GreyFoxx:

You define the output device there

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AMD-:

please tell me how to

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AMD-:

GreyFoxx: it works

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GreyFoxx:

What works ?

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Dr_willis:

since i defined all 4 of them. 'c' should change between them all..

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Dr_willis:

DOH. i didenbt restart the mythtv backend after changing them.. lets try again. :)

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AMD-:

GreyFoxx: but only with my motherboard sound card

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Z_Morek:

AMD-: are you just not getting any sound output at all?

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GreyFoxx:

AMD-: well... how many sound cards do you have?

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AMD-:

Z_Morek: sound comes from the wrong sound card

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AMD-:

GreyFoxx: i have 2

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GreyFoxx:

I see, then it sound like you will need to learn how to reference the second one and configure myht to use it

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AMD-:

GreyFoxx: one is the mobo the other is from "trust"

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alsoconfused:

Dr_willis: i do have a video source defined for my pvr-250's video in.

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AMD-:

GreyFoxx:yeh how do i do that

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GreyFoxx:

AMD-: Does Kaffeine tell you what sound device it's using for output that seems to "work" for you ?

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Dr_willis:

ok.. perhaps i missed somthing.. Not sure why i have 2 composites, and 2 svideos. but i did define them all 'C' seems to try to change to one. then gives a 'cant display video error' hit enter to go back to menu. then i get a black screen. and mythtv frontend is crashed

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[shodan]:

is there a xml searchplugin for firefox for mythweb ?

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GreyFoxx:

[shodan]: To search for what ?

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AMD-:

c-media pci

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[shodan]:

GreyFoxx, the things you usually type in the mythweb search box ..?

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GreyFoxx:

Why wouldn't you just open mythweb and type your search in there ?

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[shodan]:

for the same reason I have a imdb searchplugin .. so I don't have to go to imdb before searching , I can just type "Fistful of Dynamite" and I'm there

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GreyFoxx:

can't say I've ever heard of any such plugin. though as long as you can configure a login username and password for it I don't imagine it would be all that hard to do

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GreyFoxx:

I wrote a Firefox extension for work the other day and it was suprisingly easy

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AMD-:

GreyFoxx:no it dose not

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alsoconfused:

Dr_willis: something i had to do was to set an 'external channel change command' for the video input. i just used /bin/true

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GreyFoxx:

[shodan]: I just read the setup page. IT looks trivial

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Confuzed:

Can anyone tell me how to recover from a tuner hung "watching live tv". There are no frontends watching this tuner, and I want to use it to record!

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GreyFoxx:

The hardest part would be aconfiguration screen to enter the username and password assuming your mythweb is protected

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GreyFoxx:

So that you don't have to hardcode the info in there

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Dr_willis:

alsoconfused, aha.. on that page right now...

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Dr_willis:

alsoconfused, i dont see a way to set up the video ins as 'videosource"

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[shodan]:

GreyFoxx, yes, looks simple, I was only asking if someone had already done it, I'll roll my own

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alsoconfused:

Dr_willis: i also had to set up a video source for it, which is dumb, but without it i got nowhere

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GreyFoxx:

tomorrow I have to finish the user config screens for my firefox extension, then finish porting it to run in thunderbird too. Thankfully they make it easy

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Dr_willis:

alsoconfused, ok. so it was just a 'dumb name' and channel listing that dident matter eh..

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Dr_willis:

searching the forums at this time

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Dr_willis:

Doh. missung the New Robhin Hood show on BBC america.. thats was what i was wanting to record. heh heh..

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Confuzed:

No one knows how to free a hung tuner?

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alsoconfused:

Dr_willis: i told it to use the grabber for the swedish listings, and manually killed the process when mythtv-setup called it

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mythicdragon:

Hi, I'm having trouble running nuvexport. Can anyone help?

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Dr_willis:

so right now i am under 'input connections' i got svideo 1 and 2, and composite 1 and 2 all going to ---> (none)

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Dr_willis:

should they be going somwhere?

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Z_Morek:

apparently my lirc_i2c module is an invalid module format... anyone know what I could have screwed up?

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DeKay:

Dr_willis: if they aren't going to be connected to a source, leave it at none

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cesman:

could be the module you are using was compiled for another kernel...

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mythicdragon:

It says: Loading MythTV recording info.

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mythicdragon:

0% Can't locate object method "new_recording" via package "MythTV" at /usr/local/share/nuvexport/mythtv/recordings.pm line 63.

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DeKay:

Dr_willis: Otherwise myth will think it is a valid input and try to use it

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alsoconfused:

DeKay: that sounds right, but i couldn't get it to work without a connection, although i haven't tried it with recent versions

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DeKay:

Dr_willis: Works for me on 0.20. You need of course one valid input that is not "none"

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simcop2387-tv:

anyone know of a good game for a big screen tv that has one of those mice that work in mid air?

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Dr_willis:

DeKay, ok.

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alsoconfused:

Dr_willis: which input are you trying to use?

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Dr_willis:

compsoite in

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DeKay:

Dr_willis: I recorded quite a bit of static before I did this.

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Dr_willis:

darn dig tuner dont have a svideo out..

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Dr_willis:

but i thought the one the wife has upstairs does...

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alsoconfused:

on my pvr-250, the composite input on the back of the card is known to mythtv as composite-3

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Dr_willis:

aha – its sort of working. :)

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Dr_willis:

yea – i got a comp1 and 2

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achew22:

Confuzed, how is the tuner hung? did you try and cat it what did you do?

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Dr_willis:

well it seems to be changing from them all.. but they all got white screens.. :) heh

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GreyFoxx:

[showd: Hahaha cool, it works

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Dr_willis:

so its progress time to hook up somthign to the svideo in

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GreyFoxx:

[shodan]: http://www.pastebin.ca/380449 I placed that in mw.src and placed it in my searchplugins/ directory

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GreyFoxx:

The browser prompts me for the login info the first time and like a normal page remembers it the second time

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GreyFoxx:

just change the action line to your box/host

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Confuzed:

achew22: The tuner is hung because my son likes to hit the pretty red power button on my remote and kill the frontend during live tv... most ot the time the tuner gets hung and can sometimes prevent low priority recordings from working.

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AMD-:

what dose Bring up Time stretch do

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[shodan]:

GreyFoxx, thanks !!! :)

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AMD-:

also how do i zoom or change expect ratio

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clever:

need help rebuilding lirc modules

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alsoconfused:

clever: where are you stuck?

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clever:

i bearly got them to compile last time

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clever:

and by the time i got the ir blaster made my kernel was upgraded

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Confuzed:

achew22: no help?

[02:37:38]

clever:

so the module was no longer usable

[02:37:53]

clever:

i 'fixed' it by rebooting to the slightly older kernel

[02:38:01]

clever:

but id like to fix it better

[02:38:56]

AMD-:

i have no program guide dose mythtv grab it from the card ?

[02:39:15]

clever:

also since the power outage lastnight i forgot to choose the older kernel so its up on the wrong one and mythtv isnt recording right

[02:39:18]

Confuzed:

AMD- are you in US?

[02:40:03]

AMD-:

uk

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alsoconfused:

clever: which distro and kernel version (new one) do you have?

[02:40:09]

Z_Morek:

clever: are you running ubuntu?

[02:40:16]

clever:

yep ubunty

[02:40:22]

clever:

6.06

[02:40:31]

Z_Morek:

clever: I'm having similar issues in edgy

[02:40:42]

clever:

2.6.15-28–386

[02:40:46]

clever:

6.06 ubuntu

[02:41:08]

clever:

took me a month to figure it out and by the time i got the module made and the ir blaster ubuntu upgraded the kernel on me

[02:41:46]

** DeKay wishes lirc was moved into the kernel **

[02:41:56]

Z_Morek:

I had followed some guide and had lirc running great... now it's not loading the modules right after a kernel upgrade

[02:42:08]

Z_Morek:

only I'm on 2.6.17–11generic

[02:42:29]

clever:

i havent been able to recompile the module yet for my new kernel

[02:42:53]

Z_Morek:

I have followed every guide I could find and all I've managed to do is ruin lirc

[02:42:55]

clever:

my old module is at /lib/modules/2.6.15-27–386/misc/lirc_serial.ko

[02:43:02]

Z_Morek:

now it doesn't even work on the old kernel version

[02:43:04]

clever:

im on -28 now

[02:43:19]

Z_Morek:

have you tried using module-assistant?

[02:43:22]

AMD-:

dvb-t cards have egp already thou it must mean mythtv dose not support it

[02:43:54]

DeKay:

AMD-: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XMLTV ???

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alsoconfused:

clever: if you paste the build transscript maybe someone will know what's wrong

[02:44:58]

clever:

last time i had to get the kernel source to build it

[02:45:03]

clever:

and i forget how i did that

[02:45:54]

clever:

im taring up my old build dir before cleaning and retrying it

[02:46:01]

clever:

so i can undo the clean if needed

[02:46:17]

Z_Morek:

clever: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LircSupport . . . t=%28lirc%29

[02:46:21]

Z_Morek:

maybe that could help?

[02:46:54]

clever:

might

[02:47:06]

clever:

i'll try it when the tar is done

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alsoconfused:

clever: i'm pretty sure you'll need the kernel-headers, but i don't think you'll need the entire source tree

[02:47:38]

Confuzed:

OK... one last try... can anyone tell me how to free a tuner that is stuck at "watching live TV" even though there are no frontends actually watching that tuner?

[02:47:45]

clever:

took me a while to get it to build and i had the whole source tree once it finished

[02:48:07]

alsoconfused:

Confuzed: restart mythbackend?

[02:48:29]

Confuzed:

I'd rather not... other tuners are busy

[02:49:17]

alsoconfused:

Confuzed: have you tried messing with v4l2-ctl?

[02:49:18]

Confuzed:

That's what I have done every other time this has happend.. but I'm finally getting fed up with it.

[02:49:35]

Confuzed:

alsoconfused no I havent... I'll look into that

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Confuzed:

I'd be nice if there were an option to kill recordings from the status page in mythfrontend

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -v jams

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alsoconfused:

Confuzed: well you can 'delete' them which should also kill it.

[02:52:30]

Confuzed:

I can't... trying to delete a "live tv" recording just tells you that the recording is "in use".

[02:52:43]

alsoconfused:

oh

[02:53:14]

clever:

i think you can edit the recording rules and stuff from mythweb

[02:53:22]

clever:

and choose to cancle the recording

[02:53:37]

alsoconfused:

Confuzed: does the frontend access the video files by streaming, or by nfs/samba?

[02:53:51]

clever:

ive had a card get stuck thinking it was recording before but it was my only card so restarting the backend wasnt a problem

[02:53:51]

Confuzed:

I suppose I could interrupt it by scheduling a high priority recording... that would probably interrupt it... but that's a hack.

[02:54:10]

Confuzed:

alsoconfused: streaming

[02:54:38]

alsoconfused:

Confuzed: is there a separate Unix PID for the stream connection?

[02:55:35]

Confuzed:

alsoconfused I think so... but they are all the same name

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alsoconfused:

Confuzed: maybe you can identify the stuck one by looking at what it's doing. e.g. is it running? what files does it have open (lsof), etc.

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AMD-:

where do i get tv_grab_uk_rt lost of the giudes dont tell you

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tank-man:

did you try googling that?

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Confuzed:

alsoconfused: I know how to use ps aux... but how to I tell what is using a particular process, or what files that process has open?

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alsoconfused:

Confuzed: /usr/sbin/lsof -p PID

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AMD-:

tank-man:you can try if you want ,seems to only tell you what it dose

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Confuzed:

alsoconfused: doesnt tell me anthing worthwhile

[02:59:39]

alsoconfused:

Confuzed: any funky looking network connections?

[03:00:54]

Confuzed:

netstat shows two streams connected... hmm I wonder if I restart the fronted computer it will break the stream?

[03:00:57]

Confuzed:

worth a shot

[03:01:36]

alsoconfused:

Confuzed: the streams are state==connected?

[03:02:27]

alsoconfused:

Confuzed: i thought restarting the frontend was what caused the problem in the first place

[03:03:42]

Dr_willis:

all righty... got the video in working.

[03:03:45]

DeKay:

Is it normal in mythnews that you can't scroll through a long feed? All the slashdot ones are getting cut off.

[03:04:03]

alsoconfused:

Confuzed: you may want to set the frontend up to use nfs or samba rather than streaming, i suspect it would be more forgiving of spurious reboots

[03:04:10]

clever:

alsoconfused: rebuilding the module...

[03:04:10]

Dr_willis:

C changes inputs.. now.. if i just wanted to hit 'record' to record some show or other video in.. there a key for that? :)

[03:04:35]

Confuzed:

alsoconfused: the streams are state==connected... and he shutdown the frontend app.. not the machine it was running on.

[03:04:59]

alsoconfused:

Confuzed: ok, i misunderstood 'red button'

[03:05:30]

mortal5:

how would i assign an int to a string?

[03:05:32]

Confuzed:

alsoconfused: sry

[03:05:53]

mortal5:

I figure str = num; or str = new String(num)

[03:05:58]

alsoconfused:

Confuzed: in that case, maybe there are processes on the frontend that you could kill to recover (instead of a full reboot)

[03:06:11]

mortal5:

I have a feeling it's really alot simpler than i'm doing

[03:06:59]

Confuzed:

alsoconfused: a full shutdown of the frontend doesn't appear to fix the problem.. just verified in mythweb

[03:06:59]

alsoconfused:

Dr_willis: without guide data, i believe hitting record will make it record until the next half hour. i usually set up a manual recording

[03:07:38]

AMD-:

hey can you guys help i cant seem to be able to install xmltv-0.5.45

[03:08:03]

Dr_willis:

yea.. its just thge wife is lible to come running to the back room where i am.. tune in her show and wnats to hit 'record' to record whatever is on

[03:08:14]

Confuzed:

alsoconfused: worst thing about this, is that it will remain that way forever until a recording with priority higher than live tv happens to need that tuner... and live tv always uses the least used tuners... so I need to have 4 shows recording to kill this live tv record.

[03:08:28]

Dr_willis:

its a little weird.. i change channels.. and the mythtv has tht delay befor the channel actually changes. :)

[03:08:59]

Z_Morek:

is there a simple way to remove everything related to the lirc driver so I can install it fresh from source

[03:09:19]

AMD-:

please have a look here http://pastebin.ca/380497

[03:09:20]

Z_Morek:

I've tried installing both from source and packages and I get the sense there's some mixed up files

[03:09:44]

alsoconfused:

Confuzed: does the video file continue to grow after the frontend has gone away?

[03:10:32]

alsoconfused:

Dr_willis: what device is connected to the video in?

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DeKay:

AMD-: Wildguess. You might need the perl termreadkey module. http://search.cpan.org/~jstowe/TermReadKey-2.30/ReadKey.pm

[03:12:25]

clever:

alsoconfused: seems to be fixed

[03:12:27]

Dr_willis:

a digital cable box at the moment.

[03:12:40]

Dr_willis:

next step will be gettting it to change channels. :)

[03:12:43]

AMD-:

thank you so much bro

[03:12:45]

clever:

just need to script the modprobe&&lircd&&chown mythtv /dev/lircd

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Dr_willis:

of course my wife only watches lifetimemovienetwork

[03:12:55]

clever:

and setserial

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alsoconfused:

Dr_willis: one you make it change channels and you've setup the channel guide, she'll be able to just hit record

[03:14:17]

Dr_willis:

yea. not sure about how to do that. :) the channel guide will be set for the svideo in.. also not sure how to make it change channels. the pvr150 has that ir-blaster thing. but i need to read up on it.

[03:15:12]

alsoconfused:

Dr_willis: you'll setup an 'external channel change command' but i don't know the specifics

[03:15:15]

Dr_willis:

heck – i could just set it ro record lifetime movie 24/7 :)

[03:15:36]

clever:

alsoconfused i made my own external chanel changing script which recorded the channel to a text file

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Confuzed:

alsoconfused: sorry so long to reply... had to figure out which files were the recording... yes they do continue to grow... and it will record one show after another... I can watch them in the watch recordings screen if I want.

[03:17:37]

clever:

i tend to not use livetv since it will keep recording that channel when i pause it

[03:17:37]

t0ny-p40:

Ahhh my mythtv box froze 3 times today

[03:17:44]

clever:

catching shows i dont need

[03:17:58]

clever:

i mostly mark shows to record and watch while they record on there own

[03:18:01]

Dr_willis:

Its gotten where i cant stand to watch 'normal tv' i DEMAND to be able to pause the show at any time.. so i can go.. err.. grab some food. :)

[03:18:11]

clever:

lol

[03:18:13]

Dr_willis:

'dont need no steenking comercials' either

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AMD-:

i t have a lot off these "seems not to be installed." should i install any way ?

[03:18:14]

Dr_willis:

:)

[03:18:20]

t0ny-p40:

Dr_willis, same here too

[03:18:22]

clever:

i was watching tv lastnight durring the power outage

[03:18:27]

clever:

on a tiny black&white tv

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Confuzed:

clever: I wish I could do that here... cept I got kids who need thier disney and Nick

[03:18:33]

Dr_willis:

clever, old-skool

[03:18:36]

clever:

and i kept thinking of ff'ing the comercials

[03:18:49]

clever:

and my ups didnt even have the power to run 1 laptop frontend

[03:18:51]

Dr_willis:

clever, thats when its time go get 'frisky' with the woman.....

[03:18:52]

alsoconfused:

Confuzed: can you restart the frontend, go to "watch recordings" and tell it to "stop recording"?

[03:18:52]

Dr_willis:

:)

[03:19:01]

clever:

I am 19.950414 years old. (I'll be 20 in 2wks 4days 2hrs 37mins 24secs.)

[03:19:07]

clever:

no woman here:P

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Dr_willis:

Egads!

[03:19:19]

Dr_willis:

take some advice... DONT GET MARRIED....

[03:19:20]

Dr_willis:

:)

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Confuzed:

alsoconfused: I wish... doesn't appear as a recording in progress.

[03:19:24]

clever:

lol

[03:19:45]

Dr_willis:

heh remind me some time and i will put you in touch with my Step Daughter..

[03:19:51]

Dr_willis:

shes 20 or 21 now..

[03:19:52]

Dr_willis:

:)

[03:19:55]

clever:

how would i tell mythtv to never recorc channel 301?

[03:19:58]

Dr_willis:

(and a bit of an idiot) :)

[03:20:11]

clever:

ive set it to record a show any time its on but im not paying for the chanel 301

[03:20:18]

alsoconfused:

Confuzed: it doesn't show up as a recording?

[03:20:29]

clever:

so it will record a black screen for an hour and not catch the reruns on channels im paying for

[03:20:43]

Dr_willis:

clever, so the same show is shwing up on channel 301, and the regular channels eh?

[03:20:49]

Confuzed:

alsoconfused: it shows up the same as any of the live tv recordings do

[03:20:50]

clever:

yeah

[03:20:59]

clever:

channels 11 and 301 mostly for stargate

[03:21:03]

Dr_willis:

couldent you just remove channel 301 from the channels?

[03:21:08]

Dr_willis:

stargage sg1?

[03:21:14]

clever:

sg1 and atlantis

[03:21:14]

Dr_willis:

or alantis. :)

[03:21:34]

clever:

was watching sg1 today on normal tv while mythtv was 'recording'

[03:21:35]

Dr_willis:

i aint caught alantis in ages..

[03:21:40]

clever:

turned out my irblaster wasnt working

[03:21:44]

Dr_willis:

havent seen the last few eps of sg1 either.

[03:21:51]

clever:

recorded half of it on the wrong channel which wasnt even sg

[03:21:56]

Dr_willis:

is sg1 last season official over?

[03:22:07]

Confuzed:

alsoconfused: unlike a scheduled recording, where currently recording programs are highlighted and cancelable... the live tv recordings are not... probably because they can change anytime the channel is changed.

[03:22:12]

clever:

dont know but this episode they went arround collecting baul clones

[03:22:28]

clever:

and making jokes about having a few extra bauls

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Dr_willis:

heh. ive seen most all the eps.. so i just need to watch the last few.

[03:22:40]

clever:

which sounded more like having extra balls:P

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AMD-:

http://pastebin.ca/380517

[03:23:01]

clever:

all of them claimed to be the original baul

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Dr_willis:

sg1- sort of has lost the thrill it once had.

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Dr_willis:

:)

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AMD-:

install issue ^^

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Dr_willis:

alantis – seemed to be getting a bit on the 'preachy' side also last few i saw.

[03:23:30]

clever:

baul seems to plan to whipe out all life in the universe to stop the ori

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Dr_willis:

clever, heh – thats one ive not seen then.

[03:23:41]

clever:

to protect his corner of the universe:P

[03:24:09]

Dr_willis:

last ep i saw. that Dark haired chick blew up some Huge Stargate and vanished...

[03:24:17]

clever:

i have half of it recorded

[03:24:22]

Dr_willis:

i think that was like ep9

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DeKay:

AMD-: Another guess: http://search.cpan.org/~mirod/XML-Twig-3.29/Twig.pm

[03:24:25]

clever:

ir blaster wasnt working until just now

[03:24:29]

clever:

i can lookup the epi #

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Dr_willis:

Yea – i need to get the blaster going.. but heck i got enough stuff to watch

[03:24:52]

clever:

the giant gate the ori made?

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alsoconfused:

Confuzed: you can try this: echo 'delete from inuseprograms;'|mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg

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Dr_willis:

clever, yea.

[03:25:03]

clever:

that was a while ago

[03:25:14]

Dr_willis:

does the blaster 'sender' have to be real cose to the device getting the ir signal?

[03:25:21]

clever:

this one i saw was caled insiders

[03:25:38]

clever:

it depends on the power output of it

[03:25:54]

clever:

mine is at the end of several serial cable extensions and is inside a old serial mouse case

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Dr_willis:

oh Heck.. the blaster cable reaches all the way to the thing.. :)

[03:26:08]

clever:

it doesnt work over several feet

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DeKay:

Dr_willis: At least for some. Mine needs to be within a couple feet.

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AMD-:

good gues

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clever:

but its about 3 inches from the box

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DeKay:

Dr_willis: No. The tape is on the back. It would point the wrong way

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clever:

guted a serial 2 button mouse that belongs in a mueseam

[03:27:43]

clever:

the mouse itself is too square to be comfortable

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clever:

boxy

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emja:

anyone know how to disable the screensaver before starting a game? yes, I know having a screensaver on mythtv seems dumb, but my 3yr old loves seeing screenshots of her favourite shows floating around

[03:28:03]

Dr_willis:

DeKay, ok. its close to the box.. taped right below it about 3 in away

[03:28:16]

Dr_willis:

not that i know how to make it change channels. heh

[03:28:34]

DeKay:

Dr_willis: that is pretty easy actually.

[03:28:41]

Dr_willis:

i DID notice my digital cable box has a 'remote in' jack – like a phono jack in the back.

[03:28:56]

Dr_willis:

thats more for a remote-ir-extender tho isent it?

[03:29:19]

clever:

i think mine might have that but i have no idea what it takes

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alsoconfused:

emja: xset s off

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Dr_willis:

it also has a rear panel RS232 port it looks like

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clever:

need to leave for a bit

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emja:

alsoconfused: oh crap, of course. sorry for the stupid question

[03:30:10]

clever:

yeah the serial port on the dct2000 box can be used to control it

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Confuzed:

alsoconfused: can you by chance give me a little detail about what that is doing... I know it's just changing a value in the DB... but how will it stop the recording?

[03:30:20]

clever:

if you call the cable company up and ask them to enable it

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clever:

you could just claim you need it for your tivo

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clever:

bbl need to go

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DeKay:

Dr_willis: The blaster plus this script: http://www.google.ca/search?q=change-channel- . . . nt=firefox-a

[03:34:02]

Dr_willis:

DeKay, http://www.kwok.ca/mythtv/change-channel-lirc.sh.txt

[03:34:11]

Dr_willis:

thats not too complex a script.. lets see what it does. :)

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alsoconfused:

brb

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DeKay:

Dr_willis: Same difference pretty much. I found my box didn't need to use nice.

[03:38:25]

Dr_willis:

hmm.. cant find the remote_irsend binary

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AMD-:

i have just setup mu egp but still dont have any in mythtv ?

[03:39:02]

AMD-:

what have i done wrong

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Dr_willis:

heh – watching some OLD Doctor Who.. amazing how long that show has been on.

[03:42:01]

alsoconfused:

AMD-: did you run mythfilldatabase?

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AMD-:

its grabbing

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AMD-:

before i run mythtv-setup to tun the grabber configuration script from the 'Video Source Setup' page

[03:44:58]

Dr_willis:

gee. anyone else seem to have a whole shelf of remotes?

[03:44:59]

Dr_willis:

:)

[03:45:24]

AMD-:

ok one last thing how do i setup the other stuff like music......is there any way i could provide a directory with all my music

[03:45:55]

Dr_willis:

/myth/music

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Confuzed:

alsoconfused: thanks for all the help... I don't have any more time to mess with it right at the moment. But your great for trying

[03:46:28]

alsoconfused:

ok, good luck

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AMD-:

you didn't understand me

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xris:

Confuzed: answering your off-topic question from elsewhere: if you want to kill an in-progress recording, just delete the file from the frontend.

[03:47:21]

Captain_Murdoch:

Confuzed: do you know how to run SQL commands?

[03:47:38]

GreyFoxx:

[shodan]: If you are still here, I fixed a problem with that firefox searchbar for mythweb. New XML code is here: http://www.pastebin.ca/380544

[03:47:55]

GreyFoxx:

I didn't properly test the other one. This works fine though

[03:48:01]

t0ny-p40:

Any one know anything about ir receivers?

[03:48:56]

DeKay:

t0ny-p40: What is your problem?

[03:49:41]

t0ny-p40:

I'm ordering parts and I looked for the1N4148 diode and it came back with a ton of different models

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Captain_Murdoch:

Confuzed: you still here?

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jams:

Captain_Murdoch- sql commands to free up an inuse tuner?

[03:52:03]

Confuzed:

Captain_Murdoch: yeah.

[03:52:17]

Captain_Murdoch:

jams, no to allow you to free it up. but I thought of another way also.

[03:52:30]

jams:

ok

[03:52:39]

Captain_Murdoch:

Confuzed: on the Watch Recordings screen, change the Recording Group of the LiveTV program you want to delete and then try deleting it again.

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t0ny-p40:

DeKay?

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Captain_Murdoch:

other way would have been to manually delete the entries for that recording in the inuseprograms table then reload Watch Recordings and it should let you delete then also, but that is harder than just changing the Recording Group.

[03:53:31]

Confuzed:

Captain_Murdoch: will it let me change the recording group of a live tv recording in progress?

[03:53:50]

Captain_Murdoch:

yes, that's what you do if you want to save the recording instead of letting it expire.

[03:54:38]

DeKay:

Never built one. But the digikey link has the datasheet you can bring up to take a look at.

[03:54:46]

Confuzed:

Ok... I tried to actually "record" the show that was being "watched" and it never added it to the recorded programs group.

[03:55:02]

Confuzed:

so I was concerned that your suggestion wouldn't work.

[03:55:26]

AMD-:

i have a terminal full of this "credits element: Wide character in print at /usr/lib/perl/5.8/IO/Handle.pm line 147.

[03:55:36]

AMD-:

is it doing any thing

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[shodan]:

GreyFoxx, k, I'll try it out, there are also provision for including the mythtv icon inline into that xml file, also a bunch of other metadate, also a page web can suggest it's searchplugin, for example goto http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=&go=Go and look in the search engine bar drop down you will see 'Add "Wikipedia (English)"' mythweb could do the same and generate the xml file with proper

[03:55:38]

[shodan]:

addresses and the users would only need to go to their mythweb page, then click "Add Mythweb" and that would be it

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Confuzed:

Unfortunately, I gave up a few minutes before you jumped in and restarted the backend. But I will remember this suggestion for next time!... Thanks!

[03:56:15]

Confuzed:

Captain_Murdoch: ^^

[03:57:23]

Captain_Murdoch:

yw. it should work. the code that decides whether a recording can be deleted checks to make sure it isn't being played and that it either isn't being recorded or it is being recorded but it's not LiveTV. so by changing the recording to a different recording group, it might let you delete it and cancel the LiveTV session.

[03:58:28]

Confuzed:

yeah... I thought it might be something like that... that's why I tried to actually schedule that same show to record... but that didn't work for me.

[03:58:41]

[shodan]:

GreyFoxx, it's something like this in the head <link rel="search" type="application/opensearchdescription+xml" href="/w/opensearch_desc.php" title="Wikipedia (English)" />

[04:00:12]

jams:

Thanks Captain_Murdoch I also have been bitten by that problem

[04:01:56]

AMD-:

i have a empty program guide .i have done mythfilldatabase

[04:01:57]

Confuzed:

Captain_Murdoch, xris, and alsoconfused: Thank you all for your help... if any of you are Devs... please consider putting a "kill current recording" option on the tuners status page.

[04:02:18]

Confuzed:

It seems like the most logical place for it.

[04:02:35]

Captain_Murdoch:

Confuzed: actually, if I fixed this, it would be to allow you to delete a LiveTV recording from the Watch Recordings screen if there was nobody playing that recording.

[04:02:59]

Confuzed:

Captain_Murdoch: I think that's the problem... it thinks that someone is watching it?

[04:03:55]

Confuzed:

Captain_Murdoch: I think it would be ideal if it automatically stopped recording if no one was watching... isn't that what it's supposed to do.. it's a live tv recording after all.

[04:04:52]

Captain_Murdoch:

actually it only partway does. the inuseprograms table gets updated every 15 minutes during playback. the inuse check in the backend checks to see if that flag has been updated in the past hour. so if you waited over an hour, it would think that the recording was in use recording, but not for playback. if you checked within that hour after the frontend died/restarted/etc, then the backend would say that it was in use for

[04:04:52]

Captain_Murdoch:

and recording. If I fixed this, it would be to tighten that hour check down much shorter for LiveTV and allow you to delete an inuse LiveTV program if the inuse for playback flag hadn't been set more recently.

[04:06:03]

Captain_Murdoch:

well, stopping LiveTV if no one was watching kinda goes against something else I'm working on, the ablity to move a LiveTV session between frontends without losing the history. also at some point along with that will come the abilty to have multiple frontends watching the same LiveTV session.

[04:06:47]

Confuzed:

But what I don't understand is why do you need to EVER keep recording if it's not inuse for playback? ... also, I have had these recordings go on for entire days before they terminate... usually do to the tuner being needed for a recording.

[04:07:21]

Confuzed:

Captain_Murdoch: Ok... I see that there are some advantages of it.

[04:07:40]

Captain_Murdoch:

I just gave a reason. :) I think there should be a timer in there somewhere and will probably look into implementing that, so for instance if no one is watching for X number of minutes it will automaticall stop.

[04:07:48]

Confuzed:

Perhaps it could contine to record... but automatically release the tuner if the user chose to record or watch tv on another tuner.

[04:08:32]

Confuzed:

Perhaps if it is in use for live tv... when you start livetv it will ask if you want to watch a current live tv recording, or start a new one?

[04:09:05]

Captain_Murdoch:

something like that is possible if I code in the ability to watch the same session from multiple frontends.

[04:10:17]

Confuzed:

Ok... well I have lived with this for this long... and I like your plans... My wife and I often start a show in bed and head back to the bedroom to finish... but of course we watch mostly scheduled recordings... only the kids really watch live TV

[04:10:23]

alsoconfused:

Captain_Murdoch: you're proposing a neat feature, but i wonder if it will fix the problem of the backend not noticing that a frontend has gone away without shaking hands

[04:11:02]

Confuzed:

alsoconfused: He can implement a timeout like he suggested... and also make the recording easier to kill

[04:11:15]

Confuzed:

That would meet my needs

[04:11:35]

alsoconfused:

but what will he base the timeout on?

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GreyFoxx:

Normally LiveTV auto shutsdown after 6 or 8 hours if there has been no activity/channel changes. At least it does in SVN

[04:12:31]

Confuzed:

He can determine what processes are using the file... what frontends are streaming it.. whatever... I'm not to familiar with the how... but something tells me that it can't be too difficult.

[04:16:33]

Confuzed:

Well I'm out... thanks again everyone!

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[shodan]:

GreyFoxx, check this out -> I made an opensearch 1.1 spec version (used by firefox 2 and IE7)

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[shodan]:

GreyFoxx, http://domn.net/files/mythweb.xml http://domn.net/files/mythweb.png

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t0ny-p40:

Any one know how to get a xbox dvd donlge to work on 2.6.x

[04:33:19]

AMD-:

how do i get to , Setup --> Music Settings --> General Settings.

[04:33:38]

AMD-:

i dont seem to have general settings

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AMD-:

do ihave to stop backend ?

[04:34:52]

Anduin:

AMD-: Maybe in Media Settings (I don't MythMusic)

[04:35:13]

AMD-:

i so cant find all this

[04:35:57]

AMD-:

mythtv is wired i have to navigate about 5 times just to watch tv ?

[04:36:12]

AMD-:

same for every one ?

[04:36:42]

Anduin:

When I don't have a better menu I accidentally watch TV with a single click all the time.

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[shodan]:

yay, now the icon works too :)))

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[shodan]:

http://www.domn.net/files/mythweb.xml

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AMD-:

whats the short cut for that ?

[04:37:55]

[shodan]:

no need for the png, it's inline base64 :)

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Anduin:

AMD-: There is a jump key, but it is the first menu item on the main menu

[04:40:34]

AMD-:

i have to go to utilities and setup then tv utilities finally watch tv

[04:41:09]

AMD-:

my remote has a short cut for "live tv"

[04:41:20]

AMD-:

how do i set it up

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Anduin:

AMD-: Use a different theme, or edit your menus, it is that way in only one theme.

[04:41:55]

AMD-:

i see its themes

[04:42:16]

AMD-:

bye the way guys i plan on going some nice themes for mythtv :)

[04:42:21]

AMD-:

by*

[04:42:29]

AMD-:

doing*

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AMD-:

i might even port over some skins from mediaportal

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kormoc:

AMD-, make sure you are allowed to before you do so

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Anduin:

AMD-: The only good theme is one that continues to be maintained.

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AMD-:

yeh i am allowed, but i will check just to make shure its still the case

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AMD-:

Anduin:i would deffo maintain the mepo skin if i do get the chance to port it

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AMD-:

i have a qestion

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Anduin:

'card' usually means capture card in here, is that what you mean?

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AMD-:

audio out put device

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AMD-:

what i need to know is .what is my pci dev name devwhat ?

[04:56:11]

pigeon:

hi, is there a configuration i can change how close two cut points can be?

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Anduin:

AMD-: depends on prefix, but /usr/share/mythtv/themes possibly

[05:05:52]

emja:

is there a howto somewhere explaining how to edit the menus? I want to consolidate some submenus and delete unused options. I'm guessing I need to create a new theme, yes?

[05:08:22]

clever:

just edit one of the existing xml files for the menu's

[05:08:34]

clever:

i forget which one but it looked simple when i last read it

[05:08:42]

Anduin:

emja: Possibly not a new theme, the menus (the ones you would generally want to edit) can be overridden with files in ~/.mythtv

[05:09:21]

emja:

I've been trying to find which files related to which menu, not as simple as I had thought

[05:09:33]

emja:

Anduin: thx

[05:09:47]

clever:

theres a main menu xml

[05:10:07]

clever:

and then each submenu item names another xml file defining that submenu

[05:10:14]

emja:

which doesn't include the entire root menu though, is that right?

[05:10:31]

clever:

the root one is i think the only one with a name you can know for shure

[05:10:41]

emja:

I think the problem is I just need to study up a bit on the xml format

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clever:

root has to be called ....xml and the rest can be called anything

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emja:

ok

[05:11:02]

clever:

i forget what the root one actualy has to be called though

[05:11:22]

clever:

if you read it youll see the submenu items and the xml files they name

[05:11:38]

emja:

yeah, thx

[05:12:15]

clever:

found a mainmenu.xml under /usr/local/share/mythtv/

[05:12:54]

clever:

one of the <button> entrys is labled with <action>MENU optical_menu.xml</action>

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emja:

yep, that's what I was looking at

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clever:

which just causes it to process optical_menu.xml

[05:13:22]

clever:

which has the same format

[05:14:27]

clever:

would also be simple once you peek at the submenu for command X to cut&paste the button to a whole diff menu where it fits better

[05:15:14]

emja:

*should* be. wasn't when I tried yesterday. I'll give it another go

[05:15:48]

clever:

the <text land="..">....</text> are just alternate lables for the menu item

[05:16:06]

clever:

so if your language code is set to CA it will show the menu in your language properly

[05:16:22]

clever:

for private use you probly dont need to copy all of them over

[05:17:05]

emja:

sure. but I was grep'ing for labels that appeared on the myth screen but couldn't find those same labels in the collection of xml files

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

grep -ir 'some lable' /usr/local/share/mythtv/

[05:17:41]

emja:

yep

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clever:

:)

[05:18:02]

clever:

if i didnt know where it belonged i would have greped the entire source tree:P

[05:19:54]

clever:

looks like deviceslave.xml has to do with the upnp support

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** clever greps it out of the source tree to learn more **

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emja:

clever: thx, what I wanted was under themesclassic

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JeffT11:

Hi guys, I'm having a problem with my USB joystick. The joystick works fine in the frontend, but when attempting to watch videos, the whole thing hangs up when I try to exit out of video using joystick. Otherwise works fine when not using stick.

[05:22:04]

clever:

ahh:)

[05:22:30]

clever:

JeffT11: i cant even get my usb gamepad to control the frontend yet

[05:22:33]

clever:

how did you do it?:P

[05:22:55]

JeffT11:

I followed the Wiki. =D

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clever:

link?

[05:23:38]

JeffT11:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV

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JeffT11:

its in there. Need to make a joystickmenurc file to define keyboard commands

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clever:

ahh:)

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clever:

ive allready got my gamepad programed in mplayer to give me control over tons of stuff

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clever:

i can use pretty much any key like a shift key to modify any other key

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JeffT11:

hmm. didnt know mplayer used joystich. Maybe theres a conflict

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t0ny-p40:

How is gentoo with mythtv?

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clever:

12 buttons total on the gamepad

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t0ny-p40:

Fedora is starting to piss me off

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clever:

`calc 12*12

[05:25:23]

clever:

12*12 == 144

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JeffT11:

=D you need to work on your math

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clever:

:P

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t0ny-p40:

I thought it was 2^12 or 12^2

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clever:

mplayer wont use the joystick enless you recompile it for that

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JeffT11:

tahts the same as 12*12

[05:26:22]

clever:

yeah im rusty in that area

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t0ny-p40:

to get the different possible combos

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clever:

i had to ./configre --enable-joystick with mplayer before it even tryed to open /dev/input/js0

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** Yoooder is running Ubuntu Edgy w/ MythTV installed from apt, I can't find myth.rebuilddatabase.pl, how can I import videos without it? **

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clever:

default build you have probly doesnt handle that

[05:27:51]

clever:

brb fetching my gamepad to test with

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clever:

back

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clever:

JeffT11: what do you do to cause your frontend and joystick to crash?

[05:34:37]

JeffT11:

play a video then try to exit video with stick

[05:34:54]

clever:

playing with mythvideo and mplayer?

[05:35:02]

JeffT11:

yes

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clever:

i'll try and crash mine

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JeffT11:

enjoy

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clever:

once i fix the perm denied on js0

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JeffT11:

of course

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clever:

added mythtv to the plugdev group

[05:36:01]

clever:

which is the group of js0

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JeffT11:

damned if I know. I'm a linux newb. =D I just chmoded it

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clever:

lol

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clever:

chmod +rw js0?

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JeffT11:

uh huh

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JeffT11:

755

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clever:

now every user on your computer can see what your doing with the joystick

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JeffT11:

oh noesgood thing I'm

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JeffT11:

the only one using it

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clever:

which isnt exactly a private thing:P

[05:38:16]

clever:

got 30mins of the wrong show recorded because of a problem i just fixed in my ir blaster

[05:38:24]

clever:

but the joystick can control my frontend:D

[05:39:11]

clever:

cant even get as far as yours bug

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clever:

[1]+ Illegal instruction mythfrontend

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clever:

i allways get that when opening mythvideo on my laptop frontend

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JeffT11:

I'm using Knoppmyth btw

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clever:

im using ubuntu with the latest svn install

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clever:

ARG all my recordings since the power outage are bad

[05:42:51]

clever:

my lirc wasnt properly built for my latest kernel

[05:43:04]

clever:

power outage put me back at the latest kernel killing the ir blaster

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clever:

got several hours of the military channel now:P

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JeffT11:

can't go wrong with the military channel. =D

[05:44:02]

clever:

my dad insists on not using mythtv and says simple is better

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JeffT11:

vcr?

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AMD-:

can any one help Xerox:~$ irw

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AMD-:

connect: Connection refused

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clever:

he just wants to watch it thry plain digital cable

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clever:

says that we wont have time to watch the recordings just like when we recorded on a vcr

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emja:

clever: I saw in mythtv/themes/classic that the Video submenu section was pointing to 'PLUGIN mythvideo' as its action

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emja:

so I changed that to MENU consolidated.xml

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emja:

then created consolidated.xml from mythtv/videomenu.xml and mythtv/dvdmenu.xml

[06:00:13]

emja:

but now the <action>LISTING</action> (and similar lines not work)

[06:00:20]

emja:

but now the <action>LISTING</action> (and similar) lines not work

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emja:

*oops

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clever:

no idea:S

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** clever goes off to sleep **

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emja:

thx anyway

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emja:

much appreciated

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[shodan]:

if I transcode my nuv into mp4 (mythfrontend can still read them), will mythfrontend still be to skip commercials ?

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xris:

[shodan]: huh?

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emja:

is there a fundamental restriction (other than my own stupidity) stopping me from combining menu options from different plugins into one submenu? ie; mythdvd and mythvideo

[06:51:08]

emja:

anyone got a sample menu.xml file to point me in the right direction?

[06:51:23]

Dagmar:

I'm *so* sure you already have one

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[shodan]:

xris, check this -> http://domn.net/files/mythweb.xml

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xris:

?

[06:53:07]

[shodan]:

xris, it's a opensearch 1.1 spec searchplugin for mythweb that works with firefox 2 and probably IE7

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emja:

Dagmar: you have a nack for giving answers that are both entirely accurate yet absolutely without value

[06:53:44]

Dagmar:

emja: If you can't find your butt with both hands, it's neither my fault, nor my problem.

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xris:

[shodan]: https://mythtv.example.com/tv/search/%s

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xris:

I much prefer smart bookmarks

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emja:

Dagmar: then try to avoid answering, for everyone's sake

[06:55:36]

Dagmar:

emja: Perhaps if you could avoid insulting people gratuitously, that would also be good.

[06:56:17]

emja:

if my questions are such an insult, then I am indeed sorry

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[shodan]:

well, that's not really the same thing no ?

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emja:

Dagmar: you have continuously and abrasively insulted me at every opportunity, without any hint of a valuable answer. my questions may be obvious to you, but they don't come without much research beforehand. if your assistance was in the least valuable I would appreciate it.

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Dagmar:

Kiss my ass, then

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** emja puckers up **

[07:00:05]

Dagmar:

There's about twenty themes in various states of advancement which provide examples for just about every possibility there is

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** emja realises he is likely to talking to his own 13 yr old son **

[07:00:19]

Dagmar:

If you can't find your way around them with grep, complain to your parents.

[07:00:21]

emja:

Dagmar: thankyou. much appreciated.

[07:00:36]

Dagmar:

All I said is I'm sure you have one, and you decided to be a dick.

[07:00:53]

t0ny-p40:

Thats weird in Futurama when it shows a close up of a tv there is flickering green lines above and below it...

[07:00:58]

emja:

if this was the only instance, I would agree. it wasn't.

[07:01:16]

Dagmar:

That's just too damn bad then

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[shodan]:

Dagmar, you're an expert at formulating answers that will make users talk back, and then you respond indignantly as if you're answer were perfectly neutral .. hehehehe I love that ;) it's like OSS soap opera !! :)

[07:01:45]

emja:

:)

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Dagmar:

[shodan]: 99% of the time it's to make them stop sitting on their brains and realize they actually are capable of figuring out what they want to know.

[07:02:05]

Dagmar:

In this case, emja's just being a hypersensitive child

[07:02:47]

Dagmar:

If I dug out a file *named* menu.xml that did what he's asking about, he would STILL act like I was being a jerk

[07:03:21]

emja:

eh? I said 'thanks, much appreciated' when you pointed it out

[07:03:34]

emja:

*that's* acting like a jerk? heh

[07:04:17]

Dagmar:

No, the lines above it of "<emja> Dagmar: you have a nack for giving answers that are both entirely accurate yet absolutely without value" and "<emja> Dagmar: then try to avoid answering, for everyone's sake".

[07:04:28]

Dagmar:

*That's* being a jerk,.

[07:05:02]

emja:

that went over your head. oh well. thanks. let's not fill the channel with further crud, seriously.

[07:06:17]

Dagmar:

Okay, so shut yer mouf already.

[07:06:19]

emja:

you've helped me (in a sense), I appreciate it. let's leave it at that, shall we?

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[shodan]:

"dagmar – user bully" heheheheh he'll give you a tech support wedgie

[07:17:41]

Dagmar:

I should really start giving the honest answers and see how people like it.

[07:20:29]

[shodan]:

Dagmar, you mean like this ?

[07:20:32]

[shodan]:

<emja> is there a fundamental restriction (other[...]

[07:20:32]

[shodan]:

Dagmar> look in your, /usr/share/mythtv/themes and also read this -and- the talk page -> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Theme_development_guide

[07:21:55]

Dagmar:

In this case, the "honest" answer would have been "It's your own stupidity."

[07:23:00]

Dagmar:

There might be a *bug* keeping what he wanted from happening, from happening, but there's no reason I can see why one can't put pretty much whatever stuff in submenus they want, up to and including executing external programs.

[07:24:26]

Dagmar:

The question itself was vague, so I worked out a few of the most likely meanings, and none of those shoudl really have been impossible either

[07:24:36]

xris:

[shodan]: smart search is not the same thing, no. but for me, it's better.. control-l (focus location box), type "myth" followed by my search text, press enter.. I get my search. much faster than clicking into the search box in ff and digging through a huge list of options to find "mythtv" and then typing in my search.

[07:26:03]

[shodan]:

ah ok , that's what you meant, I thought you meant smart bookmarks like those rss-populated bookmark folders

[07:26:46]

[shodan]:

I really got used to the right hand search box so that's why I made it.. thought others might appreciate it

[07:27:28]

xris:

[shodan]: yup. hard to include it by default in the distro, though, since everyone's url will be different

[07:27:40]

Dagmar:

The only thing that's flat out not about to work is if someone tries to use an <action> tag to point at some item *within* one of the plugins (which basically don't give a damn about the xml menu controls), like say, a menu entry to go straight to a particular stream in mythstream. You can invoke pretty much anything registered as a menu hook at any time from within the menu themes

[07:30:02]

[shodan]:

essentially that lets you dynamically create the searchplugin with the right url

[07:30:10]

xris:

nice.

[07:32:39]

xris:

[shodan]: feel free to submit a patch for mythweb... :) I don't know when I'll have time to start adding new features like that for awhile.

[07:34:10]

[shodan]:

my php-fu is weak :( .... ;) I'll try asking a friend of mine who is good with php to do it , he uses mythweb a lot too so he'll probably do it

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xris:

yay, all of my channels have icons now. :)

[08:05:12]

[shodan]:

how did you do it ? the best I managed was a couple of them had icons !!

[08:05:38]

xris:

well, it helps to be the one who is rewriting the channel icon lookup code.

[08:05:38]

[shodan]:

did you manually assign an icon to each and everyone of them ?

[08:05:57]

xris:

you need svn to use the new tool, though

[08:07:04]

xris:

http://services.mythtv.org/channel-icon/lookup?callsign=scifi

[08:07:10]

xris:

example ^^^^

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[shodan]:

nice

[08:09:11]

xris:

yup

[08:09:21]

xris:

can lookup by callsign, xmltvid, dvb or atsc id fields

[08:10:03]

xris:

after picking icons, users then get the option to submit choices back to the server, and then the admins can enable/disable things there.

[08:10:35]

xris:

eventually should get a db of every channel used by every mythtv user.

[08:11:08]

kormoc:

Which we can then use to... TAKE OVER THE WORLD!

[08:11:44]

[shodan]:

that's great, is there a way to insert channels metadata now ?

[08:12:07]

[shodan]:

(without the svn build ? , maybe via some web interface ?)

[08:12:52]

xris:

[shodan]: the channel stuff works without svn. the problem is that it relies on the perl bindings, which need svn.

[08:13:35]

xris:

I haven't gotten it into mythweb yet. I will, but need some help from the backend to interact with the files (mythweb can't just download the icons and expect that a remote backend can read them)

[08:15:38]

[shodan]:

why can't they just be put inside the database ? they're pretty small anyway no ? like in base64 or something like that

[08:17:26]

xris:

personally, I agree... but so far, the other devs (meaning Isaac) prefer them be stored locally

[08:17:44]

xris:

mysql is fine at handling large files, too.

[08:18:05]

xris:

biggest icon I have is 12k

[08:18:22]

xris:

we use mysql at work to store images that are several megs in size.

[08:19:16]

[shodan]:

that kinda goes against the principle of having every little bit of information in one place like each individual frontend's keybinding, they could be in ~/.mythtv but in the end it's more convenient to have it all in one place

[08:19:42]

[shodan]:

do the other dev say it's only a size issue, or a "you shouldn't put binary data in there" issue ?

[08:20:19]

xris:

never got a straight answer

[08:21:14]

xris:

same with video cover artwork, etc.

[08:22:41]

[shodan]:

maybe you could just put an url in the database, and let every frontend fetch and update it's own channel icons library , kinda like xbmc does

[08:23:27]

xris:

nah, less bandwidth to grab/store on the backend.

[08:23:33]

xris:

but imho, even better to just put it in the db.

[08:23:58]

xris:

the problem is that the code isn't all that clean on the whole decision about what goes in the db and what doesn't...

[08:24:11]

xris:

might be moving away from the db completely for frontend queries, etc.

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[shodan]:

woa 750kbit h.264 with aac looks good for 300mb per hour !

[08:45:17]

Dagmar:

On your cell phone maybe

[08:47:04]

Dibblah:

Looks good enough on my 82"...

[08:47:35]

Dibblah:

Admittedly, I'm easy to please.

[08:48:48]

Dibblah:

h.264 degrades a lot more gracefully than mpeg2, however.

[08:49:03]

Dibblah:

Ringing looks a lot less obvious than blocking.

[08:49:12]

Dagmar:

Yeah, but I woudln't expect anything but cartoons to look good at that level

[08:49:57]

Dibblah:

Heh. There are some extremely well compressed sources out there.

[08:50:19]

Dibblah:

It's like it's a competition or something...

[08:54:35]

kormoc:

Dagmar, it

[08:54:40]

kormoc:

's actually not that bad

[08:55:01]

Dagmar:

...but you can tell from looking at it that it's undergone digital compression?

[08:55:44]

Dagmar:

I woulnd't expect 264 to look "awful" at that level, but I don't prefer to encode things so tightly that I can tell they were compressed later.

[08:56:50]

xris:

Dagmar: h.264 seems to look better than mpeg bit-per-bit... just add more bits for better quality.

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Dagmar:

Annoyingly higher CPU load tho

[08:57:10]

Dibblah:

The traditional mpeg2 blocking artifacts are just not present in h.264.

[08:57:17]

Dagmar:

I've been dorking with it a bit since I finally got x264 to function properly

[08:57:27]

xris:

and there's some other setting, too.. ipod freaks out if it's low, but other stuff plays it fine. (I think it has to do with frame lookahead during decode)

[08:57:29]

Dagmar:

...as in not segfault and detonate ffmpeg

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Dibblah:

... Until you get down to sillily low bitrates.

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Dagmar:

Then you rename them "cubist video experiment #3" and upload them to YouTube anyway. ;)

[08:58:23]

kormoc:

Dagmar, https://www.kormoc.com/pictures/albums/Screenshots/h264.jpg

[08:58:27]

mrgoby:

is there a particular table I should look for ... ? i tried going to setup and removing /readding cards and sources, but it didnt work

[08:58:48]

Dagmar:

kormoc: Not bad actually

[08:58:54]

Dagmar:

Better than I would have expected

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kormoc:

Dagmar, honestly, I don't find it that bad at all, and that's ~130 mb for 23 min or so

[08:58:59]

** xris thinks that screenshot is from one of HIS recordings. **

[08:59:01]

Dagmar:

No visible hashing going on there

[08:59:05]

mrgoby:

i have the freq tables setup correctly, and my sources are all setup and database filled with channel listsings.... funny thing is , it was working earlier today

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kormoc:

Dagmar, yeah, fast motion tends to be a bit worse, don't get me wrong, but it's quite nice for things like cooking shows

[09:00:01]

Dagmar:

Being jpg'd up seemed to do more damage to the image than the source

[09:00:26]

xris:

mrgoby: reboot?

[09:01:43]

mrgoby:

the error is 2006-02–12 22:54:18.507 GetEntryAt(-1) failed.

[09:01:43]

mrgoby:

2006-02–12 22:54:18.511 EntryToProgram(0@Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970) failed to get pginfo

[09:01:44]

mrgoby:

2006-02–12 22:54:18.511 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started

[09:01:59]

mrgoby:

yeah, i've rebooted

[09:02:09]

mrgoby:

a few times now :)

[09:02:14]

xris:

have you re-verified your tuner config in mythtv-setup?

[09:02:52]

mrgoby:

yes, a few times... it is set to mpeg decoder, cable-us freqs, all channels/sources/cards/tuners setup....

[09:03:26]

mrgoby:

i think mythfilldb got cutoff or something when i rebooted

[09:03:37]

Dagmar:

Am I the only one alarmed by seeing epochtime of 0 appearing in that?

[09:03:52]

Dagmar:

"EntryToProgram(0@Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970)" <-- sign SOMETHING is VERY wrong

[09:04:04]

kormoc:

yeah, is your clock set right?

[09:04:06]

mrgoby:

i see it too... i think it might be because channel listings dont exist for 'tuner2'

[09:04:12]

Dagmar:

I don't think the clock could cause that.

[09:04:14]

mrgoby:

yep... hwclock and sys

[09:04:18]

xris:

mrgoby: you can always rerun that by hand

[09:04:32]

mrgoby:

meaning ?

[09:04:46]

kormoc:

Dagmar, well, he's going to live tv, if his clock is set to something ungodly wrong, it could cast to that

[09:04:50]

Dibblah:

It's not a clock issue, probably.

[09:05:01]

Dagmar:

kormoc: But epoch time *zero*?

[09:05:05]

Dibblah:

It's no listings. Version?

[09:05:12]

mrgoby:

it's not, ntp-client is in UTC heaven

[09:05:25]

kormoc:

mrgoby, you can re-run mythfilldatabase by hand

[09:05:37]

Dagmar:

This would mean either his clock is *broken* and stuck at an impossible time, or something is reading from the database and the database is just spewing nulls

[09:05:42]

kormoc:

Dagmar, sure, NULL casted to a timestamp converts to that

[09:05:52]

mrgoby:

i did rerun mythfilldatabase a few times from the commandline... after deleting and readding the cards/sources

[09:06:09]

Dibblah:

The frontend looks back in the listings to see what is currently on.

[09:06:21]

Dagmar:

kormoc: Yeah, but I dunna think he's getting null from the clockl

[09:06:29]

mrgoby:

i think it is the latter, Dagmar.... which I think is cause somewhere there is a pointer/index wonky in the database relations

[09:06:41]

kormoc:

Dagmar, true 'nuff, but figured I'd ask, just in case

[09:06:42]

Dibblah:

mrgoby: Which version?

[09:06:49]

Dagmar:

mrgoby: I would suggest running a cleanup on the database. Do you know the commands?

[09:06:51]

mrgoby:

of myth ?

[09:06:59]

mrgoby:

no, i do not

[09:07:01]

Dagmar:

Ah

[09:07:10]

mrgoby:

i know mysql commands, if that is what you mean

[09:07:14]

mrgoby:

or sql, rather

[09:07:35]

mrgoby:

are there scripts that 'clean' the database ?

[09:08:03]

Dagmar:

You don't really need a script, per se.

[09:08:08]

Dagmar:

You can just run one command

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Dagmar:

I was trying to find it, but I've been doing some reorganization of the init functions that make mine go, and all I seem to have saved at the moment is the commands you run with the database *offline*

[09:09:06]

mrgoby:

media-tv/mythtv-0.20_p12172 gentoo package

[09:09:39]

Dagmar:

`mysqlcheck mythconverg` needs just a few options added... looking those up now

[09:09:49]

mrgoby:

thanks

[09:10:14]

Dagmar:

--check --extended --auto-repair --silent

[09:10:27]

Dagmar:

The --silent is probably rather optional. Without it it's just a bit chatty

[09:11:02]

Dagmar:

I begin to think maybe I should go ahead and do up a whole section on the wiki devoted to mysql as much as I've been poking at it this week

[09:11:15]

Dibblah:

Err... you have something religious against optimize_mythdb.pl?

[09:11:25]

Dagmar:

Not really, no

[09:11:28]

Dibblah:

;)

[09:12:25]

Dagmar:

Although if you were to add --optimize to that, it would do the same thing

[09:13:38]

mrgoby:

no dice

[09:14:09]

Dagmar:

So before someone gets the idea I'm discriminating against that perl script, no I'm not. An automated job can definitely stand to be less agressive about checks.

[09:14:25]

mrgoby:

i am curious cause I see in myth info center under tuner status it says 'tuner2' is not recording... but i have it set to tuner 1 and my card is not named tuner2

[09:15:03]

Dagmar:

mrgoby; If you don't have any recordings saved anywhere, the issue might go away if you just blew away the db and reinitialized it

[09:15:12]

mrgoby:

seems like somewhere in a config it is using this card that i deleted but it 'didnt delete all the way' and now has no source, hence the null times on the listings

[09:15:38]

mrgoby:

yeah, i think i will, as this is a new install.... i will just re-tweak the UI

[09:15:43]

Dagmar:

The UI?

[09:15:57]

mrgoby:

er, screen offsets, OSD, etc

[09:16:02]

mrgoby:

are those saved in the DB ?

[09:16:05]

mrgoby:

the settings ?

[09:16:13]

mrgoby:

or on the frontend only ?

[09:16:17]

Dagmar:

Oh yeah, they're saved in the db

[09:16:25]

Dagmar:

pretty much ALL settings are stored in the database

[09:16:36]

Dagmar:

Everything pertaining to mythTV anyway

[09:17:17]

mrgoby:

yep, will do

[09:18:17]

mrgoby:

i gots to crash out... thanks for the help... that sounds like a plan... once i get it going, i will make a backup of a clean slate config

[09:18:25]

mrgoby:

cyas

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Dibblah:

Okay. Really silly question. I am very aware this is the wrong way to do it, but... Has anyone had any successes running dvb cards in a Xen Dom0?

[09:25:05]

Dagmar:

RAWR

[09:25:07]

Dibblah:

Putting them in a domU is even more wrong, of course ;)

[09:26:29]

Dibblah:

RAWR? Is that some ancient acronym, or just an expression of distaste?

[09:26:43]

kormoc:

it's what lions sa

[09:26:45]

kormoc:

*say

[09:27:09]

Biscuitor:

anyone alive in here that is willing to help set up a modeline for an Insignia (Best Buy's brand) 27" CRT HDTV? It supports 1080i and 720p but is rejecting every modeline I throw at it.

[09:27:34]

Dibblah:

Biscuitor: Don't use a modeline is the _best_ option, if the monitor supports it.

[09:28:09]

Biscuitor:

Ok, so use what? It rejects every HD resolution listed as a Mode in xorg.conf

[09:28:28]

Dibblah:

What video card?

[09:28:28]

kormoc:

Biscuitor, what's your video card?

[09:28:32]

Dagmar:

It's what Domo sez.

[09:28:42]

Biscuitor:

Dibblah: nvidia FX5500 PCI

[09:28:49]

Dibblah:

That's a 0, not an O ;)

[09:29:10]

Dagmar:

DOmo-kun! http://arnim.blog.is/users/04/arnim/img/c_doc . . . domo-kun.jpg

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[09:29:45]

Biscuitor:

Dibblah: its connected with dvi->hdmi converter cable to the HDMI port on the TV

[09:30:57]

Dibblah:

Do you know the native resolution of the display?

[09:31:31]

Dibblah:

(mine is 1440x900, but that's probably just a specific panel)

[09:32:08]

Xteven:

hi, does anyone use DVB-s with mythtv ? and if so, with what card ? CI ? dual tuner ?

[09:32:17]

Dibblah:

And is NOT what is stated in the manual...

[09:32:58]

Dibblah:

Xteven: Most of the CI / CAMs that don't require user interaction _should_ work with Myth.

[09:33:18]

Xteven:

Dibblah : ah! very good :) I won't have to worry about that then

[09:33:29]

Biscuitor:

Dibblah: it's a crt

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Dibblah:

However, certain cards are better than others.

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Xteven:

Dibblah: do you know if mpeg comes out of a dvb-s card ? or do I need to encode it myself ?

[09:33:45]

Dibblah:

Biscuitor: Oh. Nasty ;)

[09:34:17]

Dibblah:

Xteven: The card gives you whatever the provider is sending.

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Dibblah:

... mpeg2, h264,...

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Xteven:

I see

[09:34:52]

Xteven:

hmmm

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Dibblah:

It's not a matter of 'reencoding' at all. It's just a dem (not a modem)

[09:35:01]

Xteven:

oh

[09:35:26]

Xteven:

that's good

[09:35:44]

Xteven:

whats the linux-support like for dvb-s cards ? too young ?

[09:36:27]

Dibblah:

Depends on each card.

[09:36:54]

Xteven:

are you aware of any good cards ? :)

[09:36:59]

Xteven:

possibly with dual tuner ?

[09:37:01]

Dibblah:

I would seriously think about skipping the Twinhan ones.

[09:37:13]

Dibblah:

You won't get dual tuner with a CI / CAM.

[09:37:21]

Dibblah:

One CI == one tuner.

[09:37:31]

Xteven:

oh :(

[09:37:44]

Xteven:

well, guess I'll have to get 2 cards then

[09:38:02]

Dibblah:

Yup. And 2 CAMs and 2 subscription cards.

[09:40:26]

Xteven:

a cam is just something that "holds" the smartcard, no ?

[09:40:31]

Dibblah:

Yup.

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Xteven:

I'm new to this thing ;)

[09:40:35]

Xteven:

ok

[09:40:47]

Xteven:

shouldn't be that expensive

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Dibblah:

And does part of the decryption of the stream.

[09:40:52]

Dibblah:

Heh.

[09:41:07]

Dibblah:

Depends on the openness of your provider.

[09:41:17]

Xteven:

I fear that :/

[09:41:52]

Dibblah:

You have no reason to fear unless your provider is The Great Murdochii...

[09:41:59]

Xteven:

does the CAM depend on the smartcard I get ?

[09:42:06]

Dibblah:

For him, there is no CAM.

[09:42:14]

Xteven:

mmm

[09:42:26]

Dibblah:

Yes. It depends on the encryption format used by your provider.

[09:42:31]

Dagmar:

s/CAM/spoon/;

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Xteven:

:)

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Xteven:

I'll have to check it out

[09:43:16]

Dibblah:

There is no way to defeat The Great Murdochii (praise be to his name)

[09:43:17]

Xteven:

someone pointed me to a dvb-s provider

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Xteven:

it costs less than what I pay for TV (analog)

[09:43:35]

Xteven:

and the quality is 1000 times better

[09:43:56]

Dibblah:

Xteven: You're on cable currently?

[09:44:01]

Xteven:

yup

[09:44:21]

Xteven:

the quality sucks :/

[09:44:30]

Dibblah:

I've not seen an analog cable network in _years_... ;)

[09:44:42]

Xteven:

mmm :P

[09:44:55]

Xteven:

.be has always been a bit backwards ...

[09:45:17]

Dibblah:

When's your digital switchover date? ;)

[09:45:27]

Xteven:

internet providers were coming up with 28.8k modem connections when everyone else was using broadband already

[09:45:33]

Xteven:

2010 I believe

[09:45:40]

Xteven:

but I'm not gonna wait for that :)

[09:46:02]

Xteven:

some cities can already get dvb-c

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Xteven:

and some channels are available through dvb-t

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Dibblah:

Cable providers aren't actually technically affected...

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Dagmar:

Hmmm... I have analog cable

[09:47:02]

Dagmar:

...but I'm not going to argue that Comcast hasn't been basically sitting on their asses with network upgrades for an age now

[09:47:29]

Dagmar:

They and the telco both seem to have a policy of never upgrading anything unless they can get the gov't to pay them for it up front.

[09:47:37]

Biscuitor:

Dibblah: Any suggestions on how to find a valid res for a crt?

[09:47:44]

Dagmar:

...and then only if they're checked on later to make sure they spent the money on the upgrade they said they would.

[09:47:51]

Xteven:

my provider was bought by another provider recently

[09:48:01]

emja:

anyone got a pointer to what the 'JUMP' action does in the themes (ie; menu, not ui themes)?

[09:48:12]

Dibblah:

Biscuitor: Check the internet / the manual :(

[09:48:25]

Xteven:

and that other provider has a history of expansing rather than updating hardware

[09:48:32]

Xteven:

expanding :)

[09:49:06]

emja:

Biscuitor: what's your distro?

[09:49:19]

Biscuitor:

Dibblah: This has been attempted. The manual doesn't appear to be on the net anymore, and I can't find any further info on the net

[09:49:39]

Biscuitor:

emja: Ubuntu 6.10

[09:50:28]

emja:

Biscuitor: sorry, can't really help, except to say that if there's no manual I normally just go for the generic monitors. heck 'suck it and see' generally works, just make sure you get a high enough frequency

[09:50:53]

Dagmar:

Accessess a hook set up by REG_JUMP()

[09:51:58]

Biscuitor:

emja: "suck it and see"?

[09:52:08]

emja:

Biscuitor: err, 'trial and error'

[09:52:21]

emja:

:-}

[09:53:01]

Biscuitor:

emja: I can get a few differemt resolutions but all have massive overscan

[09:53:18]

Dibblah:

Massive as in?

[09:53:22]

Dibblah:

Percentage...

[09:53:36]

Dibblah:

And is it "image too big" or "image too small"?

[09:54:34]

emja:

Biscuitor: have you google'd for any obscure looking model numbers on the back of the monitor?

[09:55:06]

Dibblah:

I'd trust the EDID data more than the back of the monitor ;)

[09:55:14]

emja:

Dibblah: ok, true. :-)

[09:55:39]

Dibblah:

Biscuitor: One option is to try xvidtune...

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Biscuitor:

Dibblah: The image is too big. Got an error from xvidtune that may lead to a solution. It would appear some of the new nvidia drivers misidentify the proper modes for monitors/etc.

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: hey there

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rsdvd:

hi gardengnome

[10:43:28]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: how's sunday?

[10:44:20]

rsdvd:

I will tell you when I wake up :-) I only got up 10 mins ago – and it is 10:45 am :-)

[10:44:56]

gardengnome:

i got up around 10 too. went to bed at 3:30 :/

[10:45:42]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: did you try that xorg.conf modification?

[10:45:44]

rsdvd:

the option you wanted me to change was not in the xorg.conf section......but when I added it it made no difference......the top scart looks like smurfs and the bottom scart is only green

[10:45:57]

rsdvd:

hav you resurected your S100 today?

[10:46:38]

gardengnome:

no

[10:46:43]

gardengnome:

too early for work ;)

[10:46:57]

gardengnome:

it made no difference, right.. humm.

[10:47:21]

gardengnome:

is the top scart the number one or number two?

[10:48:11]

rsdvd:

they are not numbered – so I have no idea :-)

[10:48:15]

gardengnome:

humm

[10:48:46]

rsdvd:

actually the top is marked 'VCR' and the bottom 'TV' – so I am guessing we should be using the bottom

[10:49:39]

rsdvd:

which is nothign but green – so it looks like it is outputting the wrong signal

[10:50:21]

gardengnome:

yes.

[10:50:44]

gardengnome:

ohy. my poor s100 got scrachted a little bit :/

[10:51:00]

gardengnome:

i wonder what i did to it

[10:59:52]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: how do i write that etherboot image to my usb stick?

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rsdvd:

gardengnome dd if=et.....zdh of=/dev/sda

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rsdvd:

substitue the proper names.....check the dev name for your usb key......or it might overwrite your HDD :-)

[11:07:28]

gardengnome:

thanks ;)

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emja:

that could get ugly

[11:19:32]

gardengnome:

heh.

[11:19:35]

gardengnome:

never mind.

[11:19:47]

gardengnome:

i wanted to "shred" the usb stick and wrote hda intead.

[11:19:53]

gardengnome:

i wonder how much of my hard disk is gone now.

[11:20:46]

gardengnome:

well, hopefully just the mbr and some of that 40gb windows partition

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rsdvd:

ouch

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gardengnome:

and the partition table..

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juski:

evening

[11:45:32]

gardengnome:

hi juski

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Dagmar:

Hopefully that guy from last night got his installation working

[11:46:24]

Dagmar:

Next time I'm going to pay attention to how quickly people respond to simple commands before I try to help them

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : did that etherboot work?

[11:47:44]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: yes.

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gardengnome:

i'll try to boot minimyth now

[11:48:43]

juski:

Dagmar: just take my stance & don't even bother if you even suspect they're not worth the effort

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gardengnome:

err

[11:48:58]

Dagmar:

juski: It took two hours to get through about eight or so commands

[11:49:04]

gardengnome:

juski: you do yell at them, though

[11:49:18]

juski:

somebody has to keep up the yelling quotient

[11:49:28]

Dagmar:

I probably should have started yelling after the first hour or so

[11:49:35]

** gardengnome has done enough yelling for today **

[11:49:50]

juski:

otherwise people will be left with the impression that the channel is full of sycophants like erm.. some other places I could mention

[11:50:10]

juski:

"oh, you want $features eh? wait there..."

[11:50:17]

Dagmar:

Let's see... could you be talking about ##Ubuntu?

[11:50:53]

juski:

Ubunut might very well *one* day truly rock, even for mythtv users

[11:51:13]

Dagmar:

I hope you brought enough of that for all of us.

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Dagmar:

Puff puff give.

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juski:

so anyway.. how's the minimyth quest going?

[11:59:44]

gardengnome:

oh, i've just overwritten the first couple of gig of my hard drive so i'll fix that first

[12:00:14]

gardengnome:

i need to rebuild the minimyth kernel anysways, it'll be another hour before i'll be able to boot it

[12:01:10]

gardengnome:

on the bright side, i had some good beer last night and now the patches only are applied if we built iegd as well

[12:02:03]

juski:

nice :)

[12:03:08]

** juski wonders if there's a more eco-friendly way to dump old recordable cds **

[12:03:26]

gardengnome:

what are you doing now?

[12:03:36]

juski:

having a cleanout

[12:04:02]

juski:

got hundreds of old cds I neither know the content of or care about

[12:04:18]

gardengnome:

might be valid data

[12:04:22]

juski:

mostly from my djing days :)

[12:04:38]

gardengnome:

i'd make them unreadable first. but then i'm paranoid

[12:05:03]

juski:

because I had a liking for getting drunk at work I'd often leave my cd cases in the bar overnight, so I learnt not to leave originals ;)

[12:05:56]

juski:

plus in the latter days, the only way I could get promos was through a download service so I had to use cd-r

[12:06:36]

Dagmar:

You could find a nice long hill and roll them down it one at a time (or in bunches)

[12:06:47]

juski:

man I spend so much time reminiscing about djing these days I should just get off my fat arse & try for some jobs

[12:06:59]

gardengnome:

yup

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Dagmar:

You could also give them to models to use as mirrors: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/shway/ITexperts.jpg

[12:07:08]

gardengnome:

you could yell RTFM at people o/

[12:07:27]

juski:

though again in those latter days I was hardly very customer friendly ;)

[12:07:32]

Dagmar:

You could build a giant parabolic dish and threaten the local burger joint with it

[12:07:38]

juski:

hahaha

[12:11:44]

k-man__:

i seem to have this problem where the backend crashes about once a week

[12:11:54]

k-man__:

but i can't see any errors in the logs

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k-man__:

how can i track down the reason?

[12:16:46]

Trentster:

any1 here using xine for video playback?

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juski:

wow the s100 PSU is zingy!

[12:17:26]

juski:

as in .. OUCH!

[12:18:01]

Dagmar:

Well don't lick the power supply

[12:47:43]

Como|Lappy:

like that time i thought i'd try to read the current on a lead acid battery? (its 8Ah, i read 8a)

[12:47:57]

Como|Lappy:

good times

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Dagmar:

whooo!

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Dagmar:

You're lucky you can still use long words.

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The_Ball:

Hi guys, does anybody here use a digital connection from their sound card to their surround receiver? s/pdif with coax or optical. I am using this setup with a soundblaster live card but I can only get two channels per s/pdif channel. So I can only play stereo over the digital connection, not 5.1 surround. Is there any sound cards that support 6 channels over one s/pdif?

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Dagmar:

people with SBLive 5.1 cards, most likely.

[13:10:14]

The_Ball:

Dagmar, it's a sb live 5.1 card

[13:10:21]

Dagmar:

Hmm..

[13:10:26]

Dagmar:

Poke around in alsamixer then

[13:10:48]

Dagmar:

There's likely a control in there to set the mode of the SPDIF output as well.

[13:11:04]

Dagmar:

...although lately that type of toggle seems to be a little unreliable.

[13:11:32]

The_Ball:

there is one toggle called optical raw which im not sure if might be related

[13:11:44]

gardengnome:

does it actually matter? i thought you'd just route a digital stream that comes straight from the recording through the audio card

[13:12:13]

Dagmar:

I'd hope so, too, but then I'm unclear on what happens if hte original stream isn't 5.1

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squish102:

The_Ball, is this from a recording from an HD tuner?

[13:12:36]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: shouldn't matter as long as it's AC3 compatible, right?

[13:12:37]

Dagmar:

I have 5.1 speakers at home, and mainly I just use an "adapter" I made with some parts at Radio Shack

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The_Ball:

squish102, it's a hd tuner yes, but this happens with any type of stream

[13:13:02]

The_Ball:

works well using the analog outputs from the sblive

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Dagmar:

If it's a stereo stream, just populating the center channel gets iffy

[13:14:10]

Dagmar:

At least you can mirror the right/left outputs to the rear speakers and notch filter (or not) both combined to feed the subwoofer (the .1)

[13:19:23]

The_Ball:

Dagmar, if you have a surround receiver you just use that for dolby logic if you only have a stereo input

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The_Ball:

which works fine at the moment over s/pdif

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Dagmar:

I have a set of decent Altec Lansings.

[13:20:08]

Dagmar:

They pretty much refuse to do anything with the rear speakers without an input on that channel tho

[13:20:27]

Dagmar:

...and the routing controls ALSA has for the sound chipset on that board is fubar

[13:20:32]

Dagmar:

I get right channel and that's it.

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AMD-:

hi irw just stoped working how can i fix it ?

[13:34:06]

AMD-:

Xerox:~$ irw

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AMD-:

connect: No such file or directory

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AMD-:

Xerox:~# irw

[13:34:33]

AMD-:

connect: No such file or directory

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : did yout minimyth recompile? have you tried it yet?

[13:35:33]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: it's done now, i'll try i

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gardengnome:

t

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rsdvd:

:-)

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AMD-:

help help help he lp he lpppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp

[13:40:39]

AMD-:

my lircd has stoped working

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gardengnome:

so? stop being a pest

[13:40:51]

gardengnome:

and restart it

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Dagmar:

Weird. My flood filter didn't trigger

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AMD-:

maybe there's no flooding

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AMD-:

just some one looking for assistant

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gardengnome:

there was.

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Dagmar:

Oh I didn't reload it after I cycled my client last week. Silly me.

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AMD-:

your to blame

[13:43:00]

Dagmar:

[1;30m[[1;37m1[1;30m][0m ùíù Ignoring ALL messages from amd-!*@*[0m

[13:43:03]

Dagmar:

That'll take care of that nonsense.

[13:43:12]

gardengnome:

are you using bitchx?

[13:43:15]

Dagmar:

Yep.

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AMD-:

so it should

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AMD-:

dont forget itS "AMD-:"

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gardengnome:

AMD-: so, that happens when you don't ask a normal question. people get annoyed instead of being helpful

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gardengnome:

better luck next time

[13:44:18]

AMD-:

what ever dude

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AMD-:

most off you want your asses licked

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : I think you upset him

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gardengnome:

hum

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gardengnome:

same happened yesterday

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rsdvd:

with him?

[13:46:03]

gardengnome:

i could have been nicer to him, but i don't see why.

[13:46:08]

gardengnome:

no, that jenetik guy

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rsdvd:

arh – yes

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gardengnome:

let's hope i don't get the juski syndrome

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rsdvd:

lol.....please don;t – at least not till we haev a working S100

[13:48:20]

recon39:

good morning everyone. I need some help with mythtv can anyone help me please

[13:48:59]

Dagmar:

Only if you ask a question.

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rsdvd:

recon39 : you need to tell us exactly what is wrong – and how you have tried to fix it – then we will know if any of us can help

[13:49:37]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: heh, i get "init: no processes left in this run level". i'll probably need a minimyth.conf

[13:49:57]

rsdvd:

lol – yes!

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recon39:

I installed mythtv on ubuntu edgy and the live tv works fine but I can not get the myth dvd to work and rip dvd's

[13:50:15]

rsdvd:

gardengnome :- do you want mine?

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rsdvd:

recon39 : what do yuor logs say?

[13:51:23]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: yes, please. where do i need to put it?

[13:51:29]

recon39:

it is no seeing the dvd totem will play the dvd but rip won't see it

[13:51:49]

recon39:

the internal player does'nt work

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : minimyth will pull it from your tftpboot defined in the PXE....under the conf/default or conf/<hostname> directory

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rsdvd:

http://phil-home.com/S100/minimyth.conf

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rsdvd:

recon39 : is this a copy protected DVD?

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: would that be the root directory of the tftpd?

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recon39:

no it is not I burned the dvd a long time a go on windows

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rsdvd:

yes......probably just stick it in /tftpboot/conf/default/minimyth.conf

[13:54:04]

Dagmar:

It won't rip protected DVDs

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recon39:

the internal player is not seeing the dvd

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: danke

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recon39:

totem see it to play it

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rsdvd:

recon39 : do you have the correct DVD device set in myth?

[13:55:57]

recon39:

probley not I am not sure how to do that

[13:56:06]

rsdvd:

RTFM

[13:56:11]

rsdvd:

:-)

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rsdvd:

recon39 : I take it *NO* DVDs work in myth – not just this particular one you burned?

[13:57:13]

recon39:

thats is right it only works with totem

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recon39:

and mplayer

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rsdvd:

then I guess you have a setup problem – check the logs to see what they say about DVD device..........and check in mythforntend's setup pages to see what you have set

[13:58:55]

recon39:

where do I ckeck logs at I am very new to ubuntu and mythtv

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rsdvd:

gardengnome / Dagmar : know how you feel now! LOL

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: yes. but can we blame them?

[14:00:21]

gardengnome:

sorry recon39 ;)

[14:00:32]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: duh, i need an xorg.conf. ill just use yours ,)

[14:00:35]

recon39:

thats ok

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rsdvd:

well – I would start by reading the wiki about logs.......you will possibly need to restart the mythfrontend with logging turned on!

[14:01:03]

rsdvd:

gardengnome : yes – use the one I uplaoded yesterday! then you can 'tweak' it untill it works!

[14:01:09]

recon39:

ok thanks i will do that

[14:01:18]

recon39:

bye thanks

[14:01:28]

rsdvd:

np

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rsdvd:

god I must spedn too much time here – I am starting to help others noobs

[14:03:07]

Dagmar:

I was hoping he'd ask how to turn on logging.

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rsdvd:

Dagmar : to be honest I woudl have to look it up – so he could do that! I have it turned on but I cna;t remmeber how I did it :-)

[14:03:44]

gardengnome:

yeah, but aren't these valid questions? wonder where they are answered in a sensible way

[14:04:19]

rsdvd:

it started with the usual 'It don't work' though

[14:04:25]

Dagmar:

The answer is: A little wine, some soft jazz, and red flannel lingerie.

[14:04:32]

rsdvd:

lol

[14:04:43]

gardengnome:

right, some people should get laid instead of using mythtv

[14:04:44]

rsdvd:

whatever floats yout boat!

[14:04:49]

gardengnome:

me, for example.

[14:04:51]

gardengnome:

;)

[14:04:55]

Dagmar:

Turning on _logging_

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gardengnome:

ooh, punny!

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rsdvd:

LOL – puns on International IRC.......ususaly don;t work

[14:06:19]

gardengnome:

actually i would have understood it if i had paid more attention

[14:06:28]

rsdvd:

and if you are turned on by 'red flannel lingerie' then you need help

[14:06:36]

gardengnome:

(EE) module ABI major version (0) doesn't match the server's version (1)

[14:06:46]

gardengnome:

gah, i'm being such an idiot sometimes

[14:06:47]

rsdvd:

gardengnome : LOL – not just me then!

[14:07:00]

rsdvd:

you need -ignoreABI – LOL

[14:07:12]

gardengnome:

actually, i should have it.

[14:07:16]

gardengnome:

odd

[14:07:34]

rsdvd:

actually – yes your build had it in the .xerverrc

[14:07:50]

gardengnome:

my build doesn't have it in the x init script, though

[14:07:57]

gardengnome:

maybe i need it twice. confusing

[14:08:22]

juski:

rsdvd: course you know one of the signs you spend too much time here.. anger :)

[14:08:30]

rsdvd:

shouldn't – I never added it back to the X init script

[14:08:59]

rsdvd:

juski : well when I start with the 'screaming at the minitor' then I will cut back

[14:09:19]

rsdvd:

I just need a 'voice' now – LOL

[14:10:36]

fysa:

hmm.

[14:10:58]

fysa:

here's a Hauppauge tweak tool for Windows that has a sharpness setting.

[14:11:10]

fysa:

I didn't see an equivalent in v42ctl

[14:12:04]

** rsdvd lmao at the quit signature for kinch1 – cheapskate! **

[14:13:01]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: um, is this xorg.conf actually supposed to give me a picture on the VGA output? :)

[14:13:46]

rsdvd:

no – you set it to output through the IEGD to the scart......it shuts the VGA when it starts the scart

[14:13:52]

rsdvd:

plug it onto a TV

[14:13:58]

gardengnome:

gah

[14:14:02]

rsdvd:

:-)

[14:14:04]

gardengnome:

i'll reconfigure it then

[14:14:39]

rsdvd:

it is the IEGD bit that needs fixing – so if you are only on VGA you will not know if it works

[14:14:49]

rsdvd:

on VGA the colors are fine etc

[14:15:12]

gardengnome:

i can use IEGD with the vga output

[14:15:27]

gardengnome:

looks like my VM tftp server crashed, though

[14:15:36]

rsdvd:

:-(

[14:16:00]

rsdvd:

I just noticed – the S100 was watching live tv yesterday – and the tuner is still recording

[14:16:09]

gardengnome:

it'd be nice to have some kind of dual head mirror setup. that could save some configuration hassle

[14:16:20]

rsdvd:

I shut down the S100 by the backend has not nticed and it has been recording all night

[14:16:28]

gardengnome:

poor backend

[14:16:37]

rsdvd:

how do you tell it to stop?

[14:16:43]

gardengnome:

restart it?

[14:16:45]

gardengnome:

dunno

[14:16:50]

rsdvd:

ok

[14:17:01]

Dagmar:

I figured you'd just wait until the time it was supposed to stop recording

[14:17:24]

gardengnome:

just buy another tuner ;)

[14:17:33]

rsdvd:

well I was watching live tv.......and it has recorded all the 'live tv' since then......all night!

[14:18:15]

Dagmar:

That's normal.

[14:18:37]

Dagmar:

...although it's supposed to *notice* when the frontend stops watching.

[14:18:52]

rsdvd:

now do I stop it though – there is no need for it to be using the tuner....or wasting my CPU/HDD

[14:20:36]

Dagmar:

Stop watching TV

[14:20:53]

Dagmar:

So long as you're watching, it will be recording.

[14:20:55]

rsdvd:

the frontend is shutdown – it is definatly not watching TV anymore

[14:21:09]

Dagmar:

Looks like you have some problems with your minimyth build then

[14:21:24]

rsdvd:

:-) understatment of the year

[14:21:24]

Dagmar:

It's supposed to notice when you stop watching, and stop recording.

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rsdvd:

I have just restarted the backend instead

[14:22:14]

** gardengnome gets increasingly annoyed **

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rsdvd:

gardengnome: lol – you can tell you are working on S100/minimyth

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gardengnome:

root@192:~ $ /etc/rc.d/init.d/x start

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gardengnome:

minimyth: starting X ...

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gardengnome:

root@192:~ $

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gardengnome:

right.

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rsdvd:

yes

[14:23:41]

rsdvd:

does it start?

[14:24:04]

gardengnome:

no. but it does now

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rsdvd:

:-)

[14:24:28]

gardengnome:

it didn't get the MM_X_ENABLED variable it seems

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gardengnome:

weird

[14:24:55]

gardengnome:

looks like my minimyth.conf is not picked up

[14:25:02]

rsdvd:

there may well be issues with my minmyth.conf.

[14:25:30]

gardengnome:

no, it was in the wrong directory.

[14:25:36]

gardengnome:

:/

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rsdvd:

check your /var/log/messages logs on the tftp server – you will see it being requested and whether it gets a file or noe

[14:25:51]

rsdvd:

lol

[14:25:53]

Dagmar:

Can I suggest you guys just do a remote /usr mount over NFS and make your changes/builds on a _real_ computer?

[14:27:00]

gardengnome:

i do make my changes on a real computer ;)

[14:27:20]

gardengnome:

well, it's a virtual machine.

[14:29:36]

Dagmar:

I get the feeling if I could find one of these machines on eBay I could order it, spend three nights making it work, and then demand people erect a life-sized bronze statue of me somewhere.

[14:30:25]

gardengnome:

huh huh, he said "erect"

[14:31:22]

Dagmar:

Tsk. Tsk.

[14:31:31]

Dagmar:

This is the interweb.

[14:31:38]

Dagmar:

It's supposed to be spelled "e-rect".

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squish102:

noob question: using seperate frontend with ati wonder remote and playing a recording that has had commercial flagging. on frontend i said it must auto skip commercials. but it doesnt. am i doing something wrong?

[14:40:04]

Dagmar:

Maybe import the cutlist

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squish102:

is that per frontend?

[14:40:32]

Dagmar:

I *think* it's supposed to do that automatically, but I've not had it doing it for me... but it's not a big hassle so I've not looked into it.

[14:40:35]

Dagmar:

It's per recording.

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Dagmar:

As an interim fix, when you start to play something back, hit 'e', then 'z' (this imports the cutlist into the editor!), and then 'e' again.

[14:41:08]

gardengnome:

you can also set it per frontend.

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squish102:

ok

[14:41:31]

squish102:

i did that on the backend/frontend machine

[14:41:45]

squish102:

so i know it has the cutlist loaded

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squish102:

i wonder how i can get the remote to use a key to skip to next flag

[14:42:38]

Dagmar:

No idea.

[14:42:50]

Dagmar:

...but now that it has the commercial cutlist in mind it'll skip the commercials for you.

[14:43:21]

Dagmar:

It's not anything like 100% accurate for me, which is part of the reason I am still manually importing the cutlists

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rsdvd:

Dagmar : ifyou did buy one of these boxes on ebay and get it working – I would build a statute of you! ..... mihgt not be bronze but I would have a go

[14:45:56]

Dagmar:

!@#$! one more day of waiting before I can buy another hard drive, and the prices keep going down

[14:46:16]

Dagmar:

$164.99 is what newegg wants for the _external_ 500Gb unit now

[14:47:20]

squish102:

Dagmar, strange, it says "no seektable" when i do e

[14:47:29]

squish102:

on the standalone frontend

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squish102:

but on the combined one, it has the e,z,e working fine

[14:47:59]

Dagmar:

Weird

[14:55:15]

DeKay:

Question: On mythnews, is there a way to scroll through longer news bits? Slashdot feeds keep getting cut off.

[14:57:44]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: it won't work :/ X still isn't started. i'll take a break

[15:00:10]

williammanda:

Can someone help me with starting php....

[15:00:37]

williammanda:

i typed in localhost/phpadmin....

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williammanda:

says not found

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Dagmar:

You don't start PHP

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Dagmar:

...and you don't get gold stars for typing in random things.

[15:01:15]

williammanda:

?

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williammanda:

http://localhost/phpadmin.....in browser

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williammanda:

sorry phpmyadmin

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recon39:

where is a good page to help setup myth dvd mine don't work I think it is in the setup?

[15:02:29]

Dagmar:

I thought I made this very clear. You don't start PHP.

[15:02:50]

williammanda:

i don't understand what you saying

[15:02:59]

Dagmar:

You don't start PHP.

[15:03:06]

Dagmar:

It's not a service that has to be started.

[15:03:09]

Dagmar:

Read it aloud.

[15:03:15]

williammanda:

then how do i get to the admin part?

[15:03:34]

Dagmar:

You go ask in ##PHP how to install PHPAdmin

[15:03:55]

williammanda:

thanks for your polite help!

[15:04:13]

Dagmar:

Thanks for asking intelligent questions.

[15:04:52]

recon39:

can anyone help with dvd setup on mythtfrontend

[15:07:00]

recon39:

I have read a lot about it but i still don't get it help me mr. wizard

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recon39:

does anyone know what dvd settings are on mythfrontend to play the internal player?

[15:14:44]

recon39:

are these set right

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recon39:

join #mythtv

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gardengnome:

recon39: mythtv won't play encrypted DVDs.

[15:19:19]

gardengnome:

unless you tell it to do so ;)

[15:20:05]

recon39:

could you please tell me how to tell it to do that

[15:20:25]

recon39:

I don't know

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: i've got IEGD running on the VGA output now. people look normal, no smurf mode here.

[15:22:17]

gardengnome:

i don't know either off-hand, but googling for "mythtv encrypted dvd" or "mythtv libdecss" will yield some results

[15:22:40]

gardengnome:

you should look at some logs to make sure that this is your problem, though

[15:22:45]

recon39:

ok thanks very much

[15:23:17]

recon39:

I tried to look at them but can't find the logs either

[15:23:35]

gardengnome:

i hope you'll get it sorted out. try to gather as much information as possible for asking again in here, that'll help the people who would like to help you :)

[15:23:44]

recon39:

dont know where to look I went to wiki and it was not any help

[15:24:18]

Dagmar:

Every time you pirate a DVD, God kills a kitten.

[15:24:21]

gardengnome:

just start mythfrontend in a terminmal. logging verbosity can be incrased with the --verbose switch. try --verbose help for starters

[15:24:29]

recon39:

the dvd play screen comes on then goes off.

[15:25:36]

recon39:

yea I know there are a lot of dead kittens out there but I have not killed any off them I just make copies for my self

[15:26:05]

recon39:

for backup's

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Dagmar:

We can't help you break the law.

[15:26:41]

recon39:

I want to be able to record my tv show on dvd also

[15:27:17]

recon39:

dont need help there just want mythtv to work

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : glad to hear it works on VGA – have you tried a TV yet?

[15:34:49]

DeKay:

For nvram-wakeup, it says i need to enable "Enhanced RTC support". I take it this is the HPET Timer Support config option in the kernel. "HPET is the next gen timer replacing legac 8254s...."

[15:35:01]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: no

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Dagmar:

DeKay: nope.

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DeKay:

Dagmar: D'oh. Do you happen to know the config name option?

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Dagmar:

"Enahnced RTC support"

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: if you wanna try it yourself, change:

[15:36:32]

Dagmar:

It's going to be enabled by default in just about every distro's default kernel.

[15:36:52]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: http://www.pastebin.ca/381033

[15:37:30]

DeKay:

Dagmar: Just making sure. I'm trying to find the CONFIG_ option name. Finding a particular option in menuconfig is like wandering in a maze.

[15:37:36]

Dagmar:

I miss the days when you could update a pastebin without it issuing a new number

[15:37:59]

Dagmar:

DeKay: No! *smacks with rolled-up paper* Do not go editing .config manually unless you absolutely and completely know what you're doing.

[15:38:45]

DeKay:

Dagmar: Sigh.... Hit slash in menuconfig and it tells you where you can find the setting for that name.

[15:38:45]

Dagmar:

menuconfig is a bit of a maze, but it should be pretty obvious what sections it's *not* in, and using menuconfig ensures you don't turn something on without turning on it's requirements and have it all mysteriously ignore you

[15:41:11]

Dagmar:

Hmm... that's handy.

[15:41:23]

Dagmar:

Damnit why do they leave out all the *good* stuff in the changelogs

[15:41:41]

Dagmar:

That's the first I've heard of being able to do that with 2.6.x kernels

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Dagmar:

DeKay: Dude, if you'd punch "RTC" into that search prompt and scroll down you *will* find "Enhanced Real Time Clock Support"

[15:44:52]

Dagmar:

I'm looking at it right now.

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DeKay:

Dag

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DeKay:

Dagmar: Just found it.

[15:45:57]

DeKay:

Dagmar: It is in Device Drivers / Character Devices.

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Dagmar:

For future reference, if you ls -al /dev/rtc you'll see that it's a character device

[15:47:01]

Dagmar:

The HPET section mentioning a whole new chip should have been a warning bell

[15:47:30]

Dagmar:

A somewhat quiet one, but something that should have stood out, nonetheless

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DeKay:

Dagmar: Yeah. Problem with /dev/rtc was the nvram-wakeup docs say You must enable "Enhanced RTC support". the "generic /dev/rtc" is not enough. I wanted to be sure.

[15:48:16]

Dagmar:

Oh it gets better

[15:48:35]

Dagmar:

Make sure your distro's init scripts DON'T save the software clock back to the hardware clock just before shutdown.

[15:48:57]

DeKay:

Dagmar: Now THAT is a good tip.

[15:48:57]

Dagmar:

Setting the hardware clock after setting the wake up timer *disables* the wake up timer on many boards.

[15:49:08]

Dagmar:

Very, very annoying thing, but it makes sense when you think about it

[15:49:58]

Dagmar:

I just figured it wasn't working on my boards, until about six months after I gave up on the idea and found out about that

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : I have done that xorg change – and now I have smurfs on the VGA!

[15:50:22]

Dagmar:

I'd written off their failure to them being cheap

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DeKay:

I'm not sure if my box is doing that on shutdown or not. I'll have to keep an eye out next shutdown.

[15:52:32]

Dagmar:

Enh. Just grep the lot for "hwclock"

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DeKay:

I think I'm good :)

[15:56:32]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: that's fucked up.

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: i'll upload my latest build for you.

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rsdvd:

I know! thanks!

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rsdvd:

I take it your VGA looks perfect?

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gardengnome:

yes.

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gardengnome:

the picture is too large but that can be fixed.

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rsdvd:

I have got used to overscan – you should try watching my sky box – enormous oversacan and it cannot be changed

[15:58:24]

gardengnome:

overscan is goood :)

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rsdvd:

not when it you loose 15% of the screen

[16:11:56]

PSU:

hi guys, does anyone know how to solve the problem "remote stops working upon exit of MythVideo" ?

[16:12:23]

Dagmar:

Use a window manager

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PSU:

can that be done w/ knoppmyth?

[16:13:42]

PSU:

"Note that, when using the Fluxbox window manager which is the default on KnoppMyth"

[16:16:20]

PSU:

hmm

[16:20:30]

PSU:

ok, i'll work to resolve that one

[16:21:14]

Dagmar:

You should probably be trying to ask people in #Knoppmyth about issues specific to their distro

[16:22:07]

Dagmar:

I was under the impression that properly configured it would just play using the 350's output anyway

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PSU:

ok

[16:25:25]

Dagmar:

Gonna try to smoke one more time

[16:25:43]

Jenetik:

When I do a frequency scan on DISH119W f=12370000Hz sr=20000000 I get "no tables found" when scanning, but it will "lock" during the scan, doesn't pickup NASA.. any ideas?

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Jenetik:

actually, it keeps picking up USA, BRAVO and other channels

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Dagmar:

Euw

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briand:

any MythArchive experts around? I cannot seem to create a DVD successfully... it looks to get to the point of running dvdauthor, then the machine hangs and has to be hard-reset.

[16:34:41]

jd86:

is it possible to use mythweb on another computer and still have streaming of recordings working?

[16:36:19]

squish102:

my mytharchive works most of the time. never had that problem. what dos the mythburn.log file show?

[16:39:23]

briand:

squish102: it looks like it re-encodes the recordings, etc, just fine.. converts audio to ac3, etc..

[16:39:33]

briand:

here's the last 50 lines from mythburn.log: http://pastebin.ca/381088

[16:39:58]

briand:

i can upload the whole thing, if necessary (167K)

[16:41:11]

briand:

the last line shown in the progress log is: "2007-03–01 19:00:57 Destination file /video/tmp//work/2/chapter-%1.jpg"

[16:41:31]

briand:

and the machine is hard-locked. closes out my ssh sessions, etc. have to hit the big red switch to continue

[16:44:17]

briand:

video[1002:4742 @ 1106:3057]

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briand:

dang it.

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briand:

the /video directory has > 200G available space, so it's not running out of room

[16:44:50]

Dagmar:

Make a small ISO and see if you can burn it from the command line

[16:47:38]

briand:

Dagmar: I'm not sure how to create an ISO manually, of any size.

[16:48:21]

briand:

this process hasn't created an ISO (yet?) .. should I try again, this time specifying for it to create an ISO rather than burn the dvd?

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squish102:

this "no seektable" when hitting 'e' really has me confused

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squish102:

not much help on google

[16:52:19]

briand:

are there entries in recordedseek for the video you're trying to edit?

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squish102:

i have 45K records in the table, and it works fine from my backend/frontend machine. only the remote frontend has the problem

[16:54:41]

juski:

re

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briand:

(hiya juski)

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briand:

45K total records, or 45K records for the video you're trying to edit?

[16:56:03]

squish102:

let me check. i think that was in total

[16:56:08]

juski:

congratulations gardengnome :)

[16:56:28]

squish102:

juski, am i still on your ignore list?

[16:56:40]

juski:

obviously not. I can fix that though

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squish102:

briand, soz 450K records

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juski:

I'm turning a blind eye to easy questions to save my own sanity

[16:58:27]

briand:

juski: help me with mine, then. ;)

[16:59:30]

juski:

sorry I can't help with something I've not had success with myself

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squish102:

ok, is this an easy question? on my backend/frontend machine (fc6) everything works fine. now with remote frontend (knoppmyth) when i playback a recording and hit 'e' i get 'no seektable'

[17:00:08]

briand:

what kind of rights does the remote frontend machine have to the database?

[17:00:10]

juski:

mytharchive is just too damn frustrating. wouldn't be so bad if the failures took less time to produce

[17:00:11]

squish102:

so i cannot do auto commercial skipping :(

[17:00:42]

squish102:

briand, i followed some wiki somewhere and i believe it was all.

[17:00:48]

briand:

juski: it'd be significantly easier for me if it would at least print an error message of some sort. it just -STOPS- and locks up.

[17:00:56]

juski:

I've seen 'no seektable' errors before – usually to do with the recordedseek table being borked

[17:01:17]

briand:

he's showing half a million records in his...

[17:01:44]

juski:

problems with seeking within recordings are usually caused by time differences between FE & BE (timezones & crud like that) or database corruption

[17:01:46]

squish102:

juski, i was looking at that table, but as i said, it looks dandy from the backend machine, so i am now confused (again)

[17:01:52]

briand:

squish102: try selecting count(*) from the recordedseek table, logged into mysql as the same user that your remote frontend uses

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squish102:

THANKS JUSKI

[17:02:06]

squish102:

i think u got it

[17:02:30]

** squish102 makes note to leave juski something in my will **

[17:02:36]

** juski laughs **

[17:02:50]

juski:

see – I prefer the interesting questions :)

[17:02:55]

squish102:

my time is screwed up on frontend and was too lazy to fix

[17:03:13]

squish102:

i would never have thought of that

[17:03:49]

juski:

I had a problem with my FE years ago & it was because the time was 'correct' but in the wrong TZ – I hadn't thought it relevant

[17:03:51]

Xteven:

hmm

[17:03:59]

Xteven:

for some odd reason, mythtv no longer produces sound

[17:04:05]

Xteven:

I restarted it twice -> nothing

[17:04:16]

juski:

have you tried rebooting? :-P

[17:04:19]

Xteven:

does the frontend produce any logs ?

[17:04:31]

Xteven:

sound works in another X window

[17:04:39]

Xteven:

just not in mythtv

[17:04:39]

juski:

check your mixer settings

[17:04:45]

briand:

or, another question — did you, for some odd reason, update something (like your kernel, etc) ?

[17:05:01]

juski:

if mythfrontend is unable to access the audio output device it'd tell you so, by default

[17:05:10]

Xteven:

where will it tell me that ?

[17:05:17]

briand:

dmesg

[17:05:23]

Xteven:

briand : possibly, I run updates every day

[17:05:30]

briand:

Xteven: why?

[17:05:40]

Xteven:

no errors in dmesg

[17:05:51]

Xteven:

briand : because it's the sanest thing to do ?

[17:05:53]

briand:

any kernel-specific modules will have to be re-installed/re-configured, then.

[17:06:13]

Xteven:

does mythtv have a kernelmodule ?

[17:06:16]

juski:

Xteven: OK. more information please. is the audio missing from livetv or is it that recordings you've played back previously now have no audio?

[17:06:19]

briand:

Xteven: I disagree, for a myth installation. automatic updates are -rarely- a good idea on such a system.

[17:06:37]

squish102:

im with u on this one briand

[17:06:52]

Xteven:

juski : when accessed from the frontend, I get no sound in either live tv or recordings or other video

[17:06:53]

juski:

ask *smart* questions, give as much information as you can

[17:07:00]

Xteven:

outside of mythtv, I can play audio just fine

[17:07:16]

juski:

Xteven: so you've changed a setting then – inadvertently or not

[17:07:23]

Xteven:

briand : are you saying mythtv can't handle software updates ?

[17:07:28]

juski:

or some auto-update has screwed it

[17:07:28]

Xteven:

juski : could be

[17:07:34]

Xteven:

maybe I did mute or so

[17:07:40]

juski:

automatic updates are BAD

[17:07:43]

Xteven:

but I don't know how I would have done that

[17:07:43]

juski:

BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD!

[17:07:50]

briand:

Xteven: no, I'm saying that you can't just update one part (say, the kernel) without consequences

[17:08:03]

Xteven:

good point

[17:08:06]

Xteven:

so

[17:08:11]

Xteven:

does mythtv have a kernel module ?

[17:08:11]

briand:

ivtv, lirc, video, etc drivers all depend on a specific kernel revision...

[17:08:21]

Xteven:

if sound still works

[17:08:22]

briand:

and mythtv needs those, right?

[17:08:27]

Xteven:

how can this be a kernel problem ?

[17:08:34]

briand:

it's not a kernel problem

[17:08:39]

juski:

if you update one seemingly inconsequential thing, it could have massive repurcussions depending on er.. dependencies & stuff

[17:08:50]

briand:

exactly

[17:08:53]

Xteven:

agreed

[17:08:59]

Xteven:

but I don't believe that is the case

[17:09:12]

Xteven:

because that would mean sound won't work at all

[17:09:15]

briand:

you agree, yet you automatically update on this machine

[17:09:19]

Xteven:

I restarted mythtv too

[17:09:30]

juski:

check the audio output settings & make sure they make sense

[17:10:32]

juski:

anyway on a less serious note.. anybody see the *truly* awesome thing last night?

[17:10:49]

juski:

Ubunut != awesome

[17:10:55]

gardengnome:

re

[17:10:55]

juski:

lunar eclipse == awesome!

[17:11:19]

Xteven:

is there any hidden key I can press while playing a recording, that will access sound ?

[17:11:20]

juski:

gardengnome: I see you banished the smurfs :)

[17:11:30]

juski:

Xteven: check the *settings* pages

[17:11:35]

Xteven:

or is there a list of keys you can press ?

[17:11:42]

juski:

Xteven: in the FM

[17:11:44]

Xteven:

juski : in mythtv-setup ?

[17:11:49]

gardengnome:

sad, i missed jenetik :/

[17:11:50]

juski:

Xteven: no in mythfrontend

[17:12:07]

gardengnome:

juski: i never had any smurfs.

[17:12:14]

juski:

gardengnome: I sat & contorted my face, then he just vanished

[17:12:17]

gardengnome:

juski: rsdvd had them ;)

[17:12:21]

gardengnome:

juski: hehe

[17:12:55]

Xteven:

I see nothing special there

[17:13:13]

Xteven:

where is the frontend log ?

[17:13:21]

juski:

Xteven: start mythfrontend from a terminal

[17:13:36]

Xteven:

I did

[17:13:37]

juski:

you can get all the logging you want, or try mythfrontend --help for more info

[17:14:17]

juski:

Xteven: do you have more than one audio output device?

[17:14:34]

juski:

my old ubunut install used to enjoy swapping devices on me, evil bastard SOB that it was

[17:14:45]

juski:

then I found out about udev

[17:14:52]

briand:

the evil udev will fix that

[17:14:55]

briand:

er, nevermind

[17:15:21]

juski:

udev rules, near enough the biggest contradiction in terms since er...

[17:15:25]

juski:

;)

[17:15:43]

Xteven:

juski : it appears I do

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juski:

arguably better than what came before it, so who am I to whine?

[17:15:54]

Xteven:

nothing is muted though

[17:16:10]

juski:

nothing is muted, but ummm.. which device is mythfrontend trying to use hmm?

[17:16:19]

juski:

the one you have no speakers plugged into?

[17:16:50]

Xteven:

how could I lose the ability to play sound from one moment to the next

[17:16:59]

Xteven:

just by pushing a key in mythfrontend ?

[17:17:25]

juski:

if you pressed the *mute* key it'd do that

[17:17:41]

juski:

but the setting wouldn't stick AFAIK

[17:18:01]

juski:

unless it does.. not a feature I've ever used

[17:18:17]

Xteven:

ok

[17:18:21]

Xteven:

so what is the mute key ?

[17:18:36]

juski:

| or F9 toggle mute

[17:18:46]

juski:

the documents!!! ^^^^^^

[17:19:20]

gardengnome:

we need a bot in here that'll react on keywords

[17:20:07]

gardengnome:

juski: what was the "video over cat5" thing you built again

[17:20:12]

Xteven:

| or F9 shows nothing on screen

[17:20:19]

Xteven:

pressing it does nothing

[17:20:34]

juski:

Xteven: time to look in some logs

[17:20:46]

Xteven:

lol

[17:20:48]

Xteven:

what logs ?

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juski:

start mythfrontend with --verbose playback & try to watch a recording

[17:21:06]

juski:

one you know for sure has audio

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juski:

gardengnome: my vid & audio over cat5 thing is a tx & rx pair of circuits that turns audio & video into 'balanced' signals for transmission over a cat5 cable then converts the balanced signals back to unbalanced at the other end

[17:22:33]

juski:

writing up that little project is still on my todo list

[17:23:16]

juski:

as is finishing neon-wide, as is doing more work on my config wizard tool, as is everything else!

[17:23:32]

jduggan:

any ss's of neon-wide? :p

[17:23:37]

gardengnome:

juski: nice. was it composite video or s-video?

[17:23:42]

juski:

to be honest though I'm completely bored by it all. very content just to watch mythtv now :)

[17:23:55]

juski:

gardengnome: it'll do svideo

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gardengnome:

juski: very nifty then

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Xteven:

nothing about sound

[17:24:11]

gardengnome:

i want it although i dont need it

[17:24:12]

juski:

I keep meaning to play with it again to make it pass remote signals too

[17:24:50]

juski:

gardengnome: you could send RGB over it, along with SPDIF ;)

[17:25:00]

gardengnome:

cool

[17:25:01]

juski:

I tested it with spdif – works great

[17:25:32]

juski:

you just need to change some components – swap some 10k resistors to 75R

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juski:

it was at the stage where I was thinking about trying it with some much cheaper op-amps & then making PCBs

[17:26:31]

Xteven:

there you go, sound is back

[17:26:38]

Xteven:

after killing all artsd, esd

[17:26:41]

Xteven:

restarting X

[17:26:44]

juski:

Xteven: and what brought it back?

[17:26:44]

Xteven:

and restarting mythtv

[17:26:49]

Xteven:

I have no clue

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Xteven:

in any case, more debugging would be nice

[17:26:56]

juski:

esd? ugh

[17:26:56]

gardengnome:

juski: i'm glad you're not too lazy for ambitions ;)

[17:27:19]

juski:

esd is what makes ubunut all plinky plonky

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briand:

is that a technical term?

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juski:

or is it just what put the bongo in umbongo? ;)

[17:28:04]

briand:

heh

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Xteven:

what does mythtv use to produce sound ?

[17:28:17]

juski:

oo yeh I also want to remake my promo video

[17:28:21]

juski:

Xteven: alsa

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juski:

or alternatively, little men who can mimic the voices of actors in shows, I'm never quite sure

[17:29:13]

briand:

okay, so I'm running MythArchive (aka MythCrash, here) on only one video file this time... let's see if it gets any further.

[17:29:34]

juski:

briand: are these DVB recordings perchance?

[17:29:54]

briand:

nope. straight off my pvr-350 or pvr-500, at 720x480

[17:29:56]

Xteven:

alsa is not running here

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : sorry I have been away – finally finshed my AV stand :-) I will download your lastes tar and have a go

[17:30:26]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: good luck

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juski:

rsdvd: mdf nightmare?

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juski:

Xteven: alsa isn't an app

[17:31:02]

gardengnome:

i'd like to make an AV stand too, but i'd probably set the house on fire

[17:31:04]

rsdvd:

juski : yeah – a truly 'changing rooms' special!

[17:31:46]

juski:

our panasonic TV came with a superb stand so I use that

[17:32:21]

Xteven:

well then, next time I have problems with sound, I'll just do the same thing

[17:33:10]

gardengnome:

i've got 70cm siemens CRT from 1990. :/

[17:33:11]

juski:

Xteven: maybe I never had that issue because the 1st thing I always do with an install is turn all the GODDAMN STUPID SOUND EFFECTS OFF ;)

[17:33:36]

Xteven:

I don't

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : that tarball is corrupt

[17:33:41]

briand:

juski: don't sugar-coat it for us — tell us how you _really_ feel. ;)

[17:33:46]

Xteven:

and for 1 month now, I had no problems with it

[17:33:50]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: gah

[17:33:58]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: sorry. i turned off the computer while it was uploading.

[17:34:03]

rsdvd:

:-(

[17:34:07]

juski:

I never had *any* problems other than the udev fun

[17:34:09]

Xteven:

in fact, I don't have sound effects in ubuntu

[17:34:13]

Xteven:

except at startup

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: i can't upload it now however because i forgot to install grub. the box won't boot.

[17:34:26]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: i'm a stupid gnome :/

[17:34:27]

rsdvd:

lol

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juski:

snigger

[17:35:20]

juski:

actually I tell a lie. when I had my frontend on Ubunut it was a fucking nightmare – sometimes digital audio worked, sometimes it didn't – without rhyme or reason it just changed from time to time

[17:35:38]

rsdvd:

well that is umbongo for you

[17:35:55]

juski:

tiny little problems like that can become consuming

[17:36:44]

juski:

you spend til 5am trying to come up with a truly working config, then you try it again the next day having given up making changes, then it just works for a week & then just stop working

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rsdvd:

juski L how far dod you get booting the S100 with minimyth?

[17:37:32]

juski:

it's enough to make you as angry as that German kid on youtube – you know the one – he's being patient waiting for UT to load

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juski:

rsdvd: I didn't see the point continuiing since I don't want smurf-o-vision ;)

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gardengnome:

juski: heh

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juski:

I went looking for a clean source of that video last night – I was gonna subtitle it along the lines of a mythtv install attempt

[17:38:34]

rsdvd:

lol.....so you are gonna wait for gardengnome to fix it like I am doing :-)

[17:38:56]

gardengnome:

juski: please!!!!! do it!!!!

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gardengnome:

juski: *that* would be awesome

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anykey_:

someone has a link to that vid? :p

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gardengnome:

wait a sec

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gardengnome:

http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/content/patiencechild.wmv

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anykey_:

thanks

[17:42:24]

DeKay:

The kid needs a little less sugar.

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gardengnome:

rotfl

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gardengnome:

"i don't need help! I DON'T NEED HELP!" that's priceless

[17:42:49]

rsdvd:

that kid needs a good slap

[17:42:58]

gardengnome:

afaik it's just a joke, though

[17:43:45]

rsdvd:

I hope so – so someone needs hospital treatment

[17:43:55]

gardengnome:

well, UT is a good game.

[17:44:20]

rsdvd:

take your word for it – I never paly computer games

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gardengnome:

i'm having a lot of fun because i'm imaging juski as the kid trying to install ubuntu

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gardengnome:

i rarely do :/

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DeKay:

I was like this trying to get lirc to work

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anykey_:

lol

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : you have not seen me while I have been fighting with the S100 – I almsost threw it through a wall at one point

[17:45:21]

gardengnome:

yeah, lirc's a bitch

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rsdvd:

lol

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: oh, trust me. i know that feeling way too well

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rsdvd:

:-)

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gardengnome:

which is the reason why i've just spent one hour in the woods. before something really bad happens

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rsdvd:

that sounds rather scary – "one hour in the woods" sounds like some tarentino movie

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rsdvd:

lol

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : I don;'t belive someone actuall translated that into English

[17:48:58]

gardengnome:

hehe

[17:49:00]

gardengnome:

"It's loading. It's loading. I do not want that it loads. Because if it loads, then one must wait always for a long time."

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rsdvd:

gardengnome l have you resurrencted the PC yet?

[17:50:42]

gardengnome:

no

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gardengnome:

not gonna do that tonight.

[17:50:48]

briand:

juski: if you re-work the captioning on that, be sure to include something along the lines of "Ubuntu installation detected: randomizing mysql password"

[17:50:49]

gardengnome:

i've got to study

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rsdvd:

:-( what did you do to it?

[17:51:00]

gardengnome:

i'm just waiting for my laptop to break

[17:51:20]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: i wanted to "shred" the usb stick, but i wrote hda instead of sda...

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briand:

ouch

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rsdvd:

ouch! not good!

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rsdvd:

there was no need to 'shred' the usb stick anyway – all you were doing was dd'ing therboot to it

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gardengnome:

yeah, but it didn't work the first time. probably because i had dd'ed it to hda.

[17:52:51]

gardengnome:

rsdvd, briand: no worries, it was a good thing. my windows install is now FUBAR ;)

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tank-man:

lol

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tank-man:

hda is your hard drive

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gardengnome:

yes.

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briand:

oh! it was only windows! no prob, then. :)

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juski:

bah! I can't get the original wmv file :(

[17:55:34]

juski:

they've gone to flash video

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gardengnome:

juski: the one i posted?

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juski:

yep

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gardengnome:

wget won't work?

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gardengnome:

i'll upload it for you

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anykey_:

wget works

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juski:

aha!

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juski:

wget does indeed work

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juski:

firefox wasn't having it

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gardengnome:

he

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juski:

time to go to Vegas baby

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gardengnome:

ok

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juski:

I'll make up my own words

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gardengnome:

you'd better synchronize it

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nordle:

Does anyone else not get on with xmltv / xmltv.radiotimes.com. Either xmltv or xmltv.radiotimes.com are terrible, takes about 30 attempts to get an import to work. Gets to 4%, 8%, 22%, etc each time "error: 500 Can't connect to xmltv.radiotimes.com:80 (Bad hostname 'xmltv.radiotimes.com'), aborting" gggrrrrrrrrr.

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gardengnome:

i think the last scream was caused by ivtv firmware issues

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juski:

oh dear. Vegas doesn't like this file at all

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gardengnome:

juski: use ffmpeg to convert it to something nice

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juski:

EEK!!!!!!!!!! xmltv.radiotimes.com is asking for authentication !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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nordle:

juski: It does this ALL the time, about 1/40 attempts results in 100% success :)

[18:00:23]

rsdvd:

since when did radiotimes need auth?

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nordle:

At least since september 2006

[18:00:37]

juski:

it's never needed it as long as I've used it

[18:01:11]

juski:

ah that's ok

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juski:

http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/channels.dat

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juski:

works – no auth needed :)

[18:01:31]

juski:

PHEW!

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rsdvd:

lol – you scared me then! I knew it workd at :30 this morning

[18:01:58]

rsdvd:

2:30 even

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juski:

nordle: sort out your internet connection on that machine

[18:02:19]

nordle:

My connection is fine thanks

[18:02:41]

nordle:

I have NO problem with ANY other site, no issue playing BF2, no cuttouts etc

[18:03:03]

nordle:

ooo I'm at 30% now, fingers crossed

[18:05:13]

juski:

wth is BF2, out of curiosity?

[18:05:33]

gardengnome:

battle field 2

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nordle:

76%.....cmon baby!.... BF2 = Battlefield2, a game, requires constant connection to server for hours at a time, ie any dodgy connection would show up for sure.

[18:06:38]

gardengnome:

no.

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nordle:

YYYEEAAAAAHHHH 100% :) I can't believe that, must have taken 50+ attempts.

[18:07:02]

gardengnome:

it's possible that just the routing to radiotimes is broken

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nordle:

true

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nordle:

I was thinking about unstable connection to the exchange, ie line dropout.

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recon39:

can anyone tell me how to get my dvd's working on mythfrontend I got it to where it will bring up gxine when I click on play dvd but gxine on myth user does not see the dvd but if i log out and log into my other user name gxine will play the dvd

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recon39:

I guess I need to configure mythfrontend right but don't know how

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nordle:

recon39: Could it just be that your xine config for that user is looking at the wrong hardware device for playing DVD?

[18:12:19]

recon39:

that is it

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recon39:

how do I get it to

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recon39:

there is a way I just can not find it

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anykey_:

change permissions?

[18:13:15]

recon39:

ok where do I do this at

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rsdvd:

recon39 : what permission is set on your DVD device?

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anykey_:

you can't change the permissions on the device, it will probably be overwritten by udev later on... maybe you need to add the mythtv user to the cdrom group (that's how it's done on gentoo)

[18:14:20]

squish102:

i think an 'ls -al /dev/hdc' should tell you

[18:14:46]

recon39:

so I do that in the termanl

[18:15:51]

recon39:

terminal

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squish102:

yip, or do what anykey_ said

[18:16:39]

anykey_:

just gain some basic linux knowledge *before* installing mythtv, please :(

[18:17:07]

recon39:

ok thanks everyone

[18:18:24]

briand:

anykey_: as if we'd be so fortunate that anyone would do that.

[18:18:45]

squish102:

i think u need *expert* knowledge before installing mythtv

[18:18:52]

gardengnome:

it's sad that he can't use mythtv because he doesn't know linux.

[18:19:16]

anykey_:

well, you can't use media center without knowing windows too...

[18:19:18]

gardengnome:

squish102: yes. that's true. some lucky people with good hardware manage to do it with less, though

[18:19:32]

anykey_:

if you just want to use it, you probably want to get a preconfigured system..

[18:19:42]

squish102:

anykey_ any monkey can get media center running

[18:19:56]

anykey_:

squish102: I didn't sorry... the driver for my card refused to work

[18:20:22]

squish102:

ahhh anykey_, so u didn't have supported hardware

[18:20:32]

gardengnome:

i use some media center app from sceneo and it gave me a picture in no time. ;)

[18:20:34]

anykey_:

well, I bought a MCE edition of some card, I doubt :p

[18:20:57]

juski:

oh dear. this is going to be quite funny

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gardengnome:

juski: :)

[18:22:24]

squish102:

does any1 run a SB audigy 4 (non pro)? or is that not well supported?

[18:22:34]

Dagmar:

It should be handled fine

[18:22:43]

Dagmar:

You'll have to use a very recent kernel tho

[18:22:50]

Dagmar:

So, no using Fedora Core 2 or something

[18:23:32]

squish102:

ok thanks, knoppmyth latest, but i have sound issues. too much bass and not very clear... off to google again i go

[18:24:53]

Dagmar:

Ah the mixer levels for those ranges might be set to something crazy

[18:25:06]

Dagmar:

I'd run alsamixer from a terminal and see about setting them to the middle

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squish102:

i was running aumix, but they did not seem to make too much of a diff, now think i am going to try use the digital out

[18:25:50]

squish102:

nothing like a little challenge

[18:26:11]

Dagmar:

You want alsamixer, since you're almost certainly using ALSA for sound

[18:26:15]

squish102:

especially since juski has taken me off his ignore list now

[18:30:26]

** briand sighs. **

[18:31:17]

briand:

dvd creation in MythArchive (with one 1/2-hour recording at 720x480) just froze up my machine at the same spot as every other attempt has. :/

[18:31:49]

briand:

i was running `top` via ssh, and it appears "mytharchivehelp" was the last application to try anything...

[18:33:44]

gardengnome:

your hardware might be broken then.

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briand:

which hardware?

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gardengnome:

i'd suggest running tools like "stress" or "burncpu" to make it crash

[18:34:11]

gardengnome:

well, your.. hardware ;)

[18:34:28]

gardengnome:

flaky RAM, CPU overheating... could be everything

[18:35:04]

briand:

is there a specific piece of hardware that you think mytharchive is trying to access that isn't used by the rest of the system?

[18:35:16]

briand:

this doesn't occur unless I try to use mytharchive.

[18:35:32]

briand:

i can read/write to the dvd, etc, use all other parts of myth and various plugins

[18:36:03]

gardengnome:

it's possible that your hardware fault is only triggered because mytharchive has a different usage pattern...

[18:36:19]

gardengnome:

hardware faults aren't always obvious.

[18:36:33]

gardengnome:

briand: it's also possible that mytharchive uses up all your memory

[18:37:03]

gardengnome:

briand: you can use ulimits to avoid that. try it, it should be killed on the limit is reached

[18:37:08]

briand:

if i may post a few lines from the (now frozen) top:

[18:37:13]

briand:

top – 13:31:51 up 2 days, 16:15, 3 users, load average: 1.66, 1.63, 1.43

[18:37:13]

briand:

Cpu(s): 0.0% us, 17.3% sy, 24.9% ni, 0.0% id, 53.8% wa, 3.3% hi, 0.7% si, 0Mem: 1035180k total, 1022020k used, 13160k free, 368k buffers

[18:37:13]

briand:

Swap: 1574360k total, 244k used, 1574116k free, 614232k cached

[18:37:13]

briand:

PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND

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briand:

9383 mythtv 24 8 55652 20m 11m R 39.9 2.0 0:03.14 mytharchivehelp

[18:37:35]

briand:

so, not swamping swap, not maxing mem...

[18:37:47]

gardengnome:

might be the hardware then. :(

[18:38:54]

briand:

well, when I next buy a motherboard, ram, cpu, drives, etc I'll be sure to specify it should be "mytharchive-compliant" then... because, as I've said, it's the only program with issues here.

[18:39:38]

gardengnome:

sarcasm is not going to help you :) use some of the programs i mentioned to stress your hardware.

[18:40:06]

briand:

i guess that's the point i'm not making very well

[18:40:07]

gardengnome:

mythtv can't crash the computer unless it's run as root or unless the hardware/drivers is broken

[18:40:41]

gardengnome:

gah. you're not really stressing your hardware by watching some porn recordings, you know?

[18:40:46]

briand:

the hardware has been working fine for any/all tasks (except this one) since it was built.

[18:40:47]

gardengnome:

that's *my* point

[18:40:56]

gardengnome:

give that box a *good* beating

[18:41:26]

gardengnome:

heh. anecdotes from the past don't count either. hardware ages as well.

[18:41:31]

gardengnome:

anyways, i'm off

[18:41:34]

rsdvd:

a *good* beating by watching Porn?

[18:41:35]

briand:

how much stress can creating a series of thumbnails actually produce??

[18:41:58]

briand:

(that's the last thing the progress.log indicates it is trying to do)

[18:42:04]

rsdvd:

gardengnome : if you get that file uploaded – let me know!

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briand:

it was creating "dvd sub menus" and trying to extract thumbnails and then just locked up.

[18:43:57]

briand:

this is after ffmpeg ran twice through the recording (which i should think stresses the hardware far more) with no errors/problems.

[18:44:21]

squish102:

briand, did u try writing it to a file, and ruling out any dvd issues?

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briand:

squish102: i *can* try that... but it seems to be crashing in advance of actually trying to write to the dvd

[18:45:08]

briand:

ie: during the dvd menu creation

[18:45:11]

squish102:

does dvdauthor start up?

[18:45:17]

briand:

yes

[18:45:55]

briand:

here's the last 50 lines from mythburn.log: http://pastebin.ca/381088

[18:46:22]

briand:

that's from the previous stab.. when I reboot that box, i'm sure i'll see something quite similar in the leftovers

[18:46:48]

briand:

dvdauthor is, in fact, what is running (or attempting to run) when the system crashes

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squish102:

i dont even have those last few lines any any of my mythburn.log's

[18:49:03]

squish102:

http://pastebin.ca/381232

[18:49:20]

squish102:

^^ that is the lines i have close to where you have your problem

[18:49:21]

** clever stabs squish102 for lacking access to my bot **

[18:49:43]

kormoc:

now now clever... be nice...

[18:49:50]

clever:

lol

[18:49:53]

clever:

it reacts to ^

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clever:

which is for controling my mythfrontend over irc

[18:50:09]

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clever:

with the right ^key commands you could delete my recordings

[18:51:01]

kormoc:

^shell sudo rm -rf /

[18:51:01]

** clever stabs kormoc for lacking access to my bot **

[18:51:08]

briand:

squish102: well, i see one difference

[18:51:20]

clever:

it can only run commands that the frontend control understands

[18:51:24]

briand:

notice the path to the thumbnail in my log file

[18:51:34]

clever:

and you need access before any of those get thru:P

[18:51:44]

juski:

heheh this vid is coming along

[18:51:45]

kormoc:

clever, meh, anyway, disable it's trigger for the public channel

[18:51:48]

clever:

and sudo would want my pw before working

[18:51:59]

clever:

i can disable the error

[18:52:07]

clever:

it will still respond but only to those with access(me)

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clever:

edited

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squish102:

briand, do u think that could be the problem? wierd

[18:55:16]

briand:

squish102: dunno.. how is your mytharchive temp directory specified on your system?

[18:55:34]

juski:

hrm seems the audio & video got out of sync when I converted the file.. still works okay though

[18:55:42]

juski:

call it a rough draft

[18:55:45]

briand:

perhaps the other portions of the plugin don't care about the "//", but this particular portion chokes on it.

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rsdvd:

juski – you must be bored today

[18:58:02]

juski:

rsdvd: verily

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juski:

it's been ages since I did any video fun though

[18:59:34]

jduggan:

hrm

[18:59:40]

jduggan:

virgin are lettin people out of contracts

[18:59:44]

jduggan:

because of the sky thing

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squish102:

briand, checking, is that in mythtvsetup

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juski:

we're gonna zoom back to the very basic tv package soon

[19:00:52]

juski:

not because we lost $ky One though

[19:01:21]

briand:

squish102: in the setup in the FE, under "archive settings"

[19:01:31]

squish102:

checking now

[19:02:13]

squish102:

it is /myth/tmp

[19:02:31]

briand:

what the heck.. i'll remove the trailing '/' from there, and see what happens...

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juski:

I'll recode it so the lipsync is right later

[19:08:34]

briand:

and, once again, we're under way... let's see if it gets a little further this time...

[19:11:25]

briand:

juski: looks like a typical MythTV installation, as I've heard it described, on Ubuntu. ;)

[19:11:51]

gardengnome:

juski: poor me. my mplayer on edgy won't play it :/

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bakefy:

where is the default record location?

[19:17:24]

juski:

there's a question that's gonna make it into my video

[19:17:37]

juski:

the default record location is where you set it!

[19:18:18]

bakefy:

do i set the location in the setup?

[19:18:25]

bakefy:

backed setup?

[19:18:32]

kormoc:

mythtv-setup, yes

[19:18:45]

bakefy:

thanks

[19:19:03]

recon31:

does anyone know how to give permission to a dvd player to play on mythtv

[19:19:16]

briand:

juski: "Why won't my Fujiyama RXTV-100000 $5.95 video capture card work??"

[19:20:50]

gardengnome:

juski: rotflmao!

[19:21:39]

juski:

:)

[19:22:13]

gardengnome:

you have me in terars

[19:22:14]

gardengnome:

literally

[19:22:39]

recon31:

rsdvd I still can not get the permissions for the dvd can you help me

[19:22:49]

gardengnome:

err, not quite literally. make that "tears" ;)

[19:24:18]

juski:

:D

[19:24:29]

juski:

just thought of some more material

[19:24:59]

gardengnome:

juski: what's the difference between a pvr 150 and 350?

[19:25:03]

gardengnome:

i actually miss those questions

[19:25:08]

gardengnome:

we havent had them in a while

[19:25:23]

recon31:

does no one know how to give permission to the dvd player on mythtv

[19:25:37]

bakefy:

what format does mythtv record in?

[19:25:51]

gardengnome:

recon31: read "man chmod"

[19:26:11]

recon31:

ok where at

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tank-man:

bakefy, depends on your tv capture card

[19:26:42]

recon31:

wiki

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gardengnome:

recon31: open a terminal and type it.

[19:26:54]

recon31:

ok

[19:27:01]

bakefy:

tank-man, I have a old tuner. it is a framegrabber

[19:27:09]

bakefy:

that is what I have been told

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juski:

gardengnome: what was that guy's name from before?

[19:27:37]

tank-man:

you will be capturing in rtjpeg(?) and you cn then transode it to something else

[19:27:42]

gardengnome:

juski: jenetik?

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recon31:

I just did it says no manual for chmode

[19:27:58]

kormoc:

recon31, no e

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rsdvd:

recon31 : there is no e

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juski:

gardengnome: thanks

[19:28:06]

recon31:

no manual entry for chmode

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** kormoc sighs **

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kormoc:

recon31, you really should read before you do

[19:28:39]

rsdvd:

man chmod – C-H-M-O-D

[19:28:48]

recon31:

I have read a lot just not the right stuff

[19:28:52]

recon31:

thanks

[19:28:57]

bakefy:

tank-man, could you guess how big a rtjpg is for 30 minutes?

[19:29:22]

rsdvd:

recon...what distro are you using? (umbunto/fedora etc?)

[19:29:29]

tank-man:

big, cause they are jpegs, you have to encode it to something eelse after

[19:29:43]

kormoc:

tank-man, you don't have to...

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bakefy:

doesnt it have the setting to auto transcode?

[19:30:00]

recon31:

ubuntu edgy

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kormoc:

bakefy, you can have it record in rtjpeg or mpeg-4, yes

[19:30:17]

rsdvd:

should have guessed :-)

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recon31:

the main user had permissions but mythtv dont

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gardengnome:

recon31: oh.

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tank-man:

kormoc, in reality he will, cause if he cant get/afford a hardware mpeg2 capture card, he probably doesnt have a ton of storage

[19:30:47]

bakefy:

kormoc, does that require a lot of computer to trancode the native file to something like mpeg4

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rsdvd:

if you are a linux newbie – you might be better with a dedicated mythtv distro (Knoppmyth/mythdora) – if this is a dedicated machine

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kormoc:

bakefy, took around 30–40% of my 2.4 ghz p4

[19:31:21]

gardengnome:

recon31: use "id mythtv" to find out about the group the user mythtv is in. it needs to be in the "cdrom" group

[19:31:37]

recon31:

ok thanks

[19:31:45]

bakefy:

kormoc, i have an old machine. can I set it to encode at night?

[19:31:48]

bakefy:

it would take over.

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kormoc:

bakefy, how old?

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tank-man:

you can set it to run 'user jobs' for any time of day

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bakefy:

its a p4 1.3

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recon31:

I looked in /etc/group and mythv was there

[19:32:21]

bakefy:

256 MB ram

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bakefy:

rambus :(

[19:32:43]

bakefy:

otherwise i would upgrade

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gardengnome:

recon31: yes. but is it in the "cdrom" group?

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rsdvd:

recon : it will be there – but what groups does it have

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bakefy:

tank-man, kormac, do you think my computer can even run that job at night?

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rsdvd:

just type 'id mythtv'

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recon31:

I done /etc/cdrom/group and nothing was there so I tried to add it and it would not save anything

[19:34:04]

tank-man:

you can have the jobs run at lower cpu level, so it doesnt take all the cpu

[19:34:13]

gardengnome:

"/etc/cdrom/group"? what did you do?

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rsdvd:

recon – are you making this up as you go along

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rsdvd:

type id mythtv – and paste what it says

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gardengnome:

sorry but that's nonsense. linux knowledge comes in very handy when setting up mythtv.

[19:34:50]

bakefy:

thanks tank-man

[19:35:01]

gardengnome:

juski's video is killing me

[19:35:03]

gardengnome:

it's priceless

[19:35:11]

anykey_:

where is it? I missed it again :|

[19:35:21]

recon31:

I typed gedit /etc/cdrom/group and got a blank page and then I typed mythtv and save

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anykey_:

thx

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rsdvd:

recon – there is no such file are /etc/cdrom/group

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tank-man:

bakefy, the specs for my backend/desktop are pvr250 (hardware mpeg2 capture card), 1ghz cpu, 512 ram. i find this usable

[19:36:17]

recon31:

well where do i add mythtv to the group

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rsdvd:

recon31 : all groups are stored in /etc/group

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tank-man:

addgroup or groupadd

[19:37:22]

recon31:

ok so i know how to bring that up and scroll down and mythtv is at the bottom of the page

[19:37:38]

jacKnife:

all, i'm having trouble with my mythweb tv listing. every channel comes back as NO DATA

[19:37:41]

recon31:

am i missing a step

[19:37:59]

jacKnife:

i've tried mythtv-setup, removing cards, channels, sources, adding them all back again

[19:38:00]

juski:

it's not finished!

[19:38:11]

gardengnome:

recon31: yes.

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jacKnife:

i've ran mythfilldatabase a few times, restarted backend, i'm at a loss for what to do next

[19:38:32]

recon31:

can you tell me what step that might be please

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rsdvd:

in /etc/group........there will be a line saying cdrom:x:somrthing:root,adm.....

[19:38:37]

gardengnome:

recon31: open a terminal, type "man 5 group", hint return and read. that might answer some questions

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rsdvd:

or similar

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recon31:

ok i will thanks

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rsdvd:

recon31 : is this server dedicated to mythtv? or do you use it as a desktop aswell?

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jacKnife:

dangit, more forum searching led me to this: mythfilldatabase --refresh-today

[19:41:37]

jacKnife:

i think that might be the fix

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recon31:

as a desktop as well

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squish102:

briand did it work

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recon31:

what do you sugest rsdvd

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briand:

squish102: it's still running... takes about 45 min to get to that step

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rsdvd:

recon31 : ok! if it was dedicated there are better distros for beginners than ubunto

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bakefy:

when i exit the front end will it record schedualed recordings in the background? or does it pop up and take over?

[19:43:12]

rsdvd:

if you do not know about groups and you intend to use it as a day-to-day desktop – I do think you need to invest some omney on a good book

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tank-man:

bakefy, the recording will be done on the backend

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bakefy:

tank-man, thanks for your help

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gardengnome:

recon31: no offense, but it'd be a smart idea if you learnt more about linux. mythtv is a good program, but it can need a lot of knowledge to get running

[19:44:39]

briand:

O'Reilly publishes some excellent books on any/all things unix/linux

[19:44:45]

recon31:

yes i think you are right do have any know of any good books that would help me

[19:45:18]

bakefy:

anyone want to tell me what they think of my personal website?

[19:45:34]

recon31:

I agree on that I learned a lot about it just getting it this far

[19:45:51]

rsdvd:

recon31 : "linux for dummies" – no offense – but is a good book for poeple starting out.....or an O'Reilly book

[19:46:07]

recon31:

thanks for all your help bye

[19:46:15]

briand:

"Linux in a nutshell" is a good O'Reilly book for starters

[19:46:18]

gardengnome:

recon31: the internet is a very good ressource as well. the ubuntu wiki, www.tldp.org (although that's probably not gonna help you much).

[19:46:21]

gardengnome:

gah

[19:46:31]

briand:

ah well.

[19:46:31]

** kormoc laughs **

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anykey_:

as I said ;-)

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rsdvd:

he has gone – off to the bookstore maybe!

[19:46:34]

gardengnome:

briand: yes, but it's all very compressed.

[19:46:46]

gardengnome:

he was a nice fellow.

[19:47:01]

rsdvd:

all the nitshell books are good- but nly if you understand what you are reading

[19:47:03]

gardengnome:

"what do you mean? A BOOK? mein gott, was ist geschehen?"

[19:47:07]

** gardengnome watches that video again **

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briand:

heheh

[19:47:25]

briand:

rsdvd: true enough

[19:47:56]

briand:

who knows? maybe he's wealthy, and he'll pick up all/most of the O'Reilly catalog... that'd be a nice reference library

[19:48:33]

gardengnome:

i've rarely touched my "linux in a nutshell".

[19:48:52]

briand:

I've never even cracked the spine on mine

[19:49:05]

gardengnome:

heh

[19:49:06]

briand:

i've bought/distributed several copies to friends starting out with linux

[19:49:15]

kormoc:

I've never even bought my "linux in a nutshell".

[19:49:32]

gardengnome:

kormoc: i thought i had to buy it. cost me a lot of money :)

[19:49:37]

kormoc:

heh

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briand:

in fact, i've got a package at work ready for handing over to a friend, with fedora core install disks

[19:49:41]

anykey_:

I never even bought a book, just read the gentoo installation manual a few times and you know a whole lot more about linux :)

[19:49:52]

gardengnome:

but i do use it sometimes when i get desperate of when those english man pages make me sick. it was worth the money.

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kormoc:

I borrowed it once way back when, glanced at it and never looked at it again

[19:50:12]

gardengnome:

anykey_: i like their introduction to grub

[19:50:26]

anykey_:

gardengnome: I can't remember, why? :)

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t0ny-p40:

Is it possible to move mysql's bin database files to another mysql server?

[19:51:10]

rsdvd:

gardengnome : their intro to grub – FIRST DO NOT OVERWITE IT WITH 'SHRED'

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anykey_:

lol

[19:51:18]

gardengnome:

anykey_: because it's short and covers what i need.

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: shut up. :)

[19:51:26]

rsdvd:

lol

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t0ny-p40:

Fedora got messed up while I was sleeping and I dont feel like fixing it

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** briand never buys any book with "Idiot's Guide to" or "for Dummies" in the title, mostly on principle, but also because those I've browsed through are rarely any good. **

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briand:

g'afternoon, xris

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anykey_:

I remember the first gentoo installation. I compiled the whole day and then I came to the point when I needed to reboot. Then I saw that message "localhost login:" and I was like, wtf, where is that fancy gui from knoppix =)

[19:53:02]

gardengnome:

we've got some nice computer books in our public library. which reminds me i need to return this book on the inner workings of computers i never really opened

[19:53:07]

xris:

still morning here for another 3 minutes. :)

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briand:

:P~

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juski:

finished!

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juski:

rendering it now, lipsync is back

[19:58:45]

juski:

damn. I'm missing 'top gear' for this

[19:59:00]

anykey_:

lol

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juski:

gardengnome: I've added a nice little bit just for you

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gardengnome:

juski: yay

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anykey_:

I'm sure it has something to do with dd =)

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juski:

I need a faster conscooter

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juski:

57%

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rsdvd:

juski : how can you be missing anything n TV – you are recoridng it in myth arn;t you? I though no-one was allowed to watch tv as it is breadcast any mroe

[20:02:29]

** briand waits in eager anticipation. **

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rjune:

mythtv 0.20 lets you control the frontend remotely, right?

[20:03:07]

juski:

sometimes saves time to watch it 'live'

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rsdvd:

:-)

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juski:

holy poo this is gonna take ages to upload

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gardengnome:

why?

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juski:

didn't crop the start & end

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juski:

okay.. it's uploading!

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juski:

eta 3 minutes

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juski:

enjoy :)

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gardengnome:

juski: ich hasse es, wenn es lÃ¤dt!

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bakefy:

my mythtv is recording for the first time. it is recording to a file called 01023184915.nuv

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kormoc:

bakefy, good for it

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bakefy:

will it always stay that file.. or is it waiting till it is complete to rename it?

[20:18:15]

kormoc:

bakefy, it will always stay that file

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gardengnome:

unless you use rename.pl

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kormoc:

true 'nugg

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kormoc:

*nuff

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bakefy:

can windows play that file extention?

[20:18:55]

kormoc:

donno

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kormoc:

you'd have to try

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visit0r:

yep, there's a codec for that

[20:19:04]

gardengnome:

it should with the dsmyth filters

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bakefy:

okay, thanks!

[20:21:31]

bakefy:

If you were going to buy a new TV Tuner what would you buy?

[20:21:37]

bakefy:

I am looking for a new one.

[20:21:50]

briand:

juski: rotf!

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gardengnome:

juski: the end is even better :)

[20:22:11]

gardengnome:

bakefy: a pvr 150 for analog tv

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squish102:

id vote a pvr 150 too

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squish102:

after having run mythtv for a year only as a backend, i feel like a complete noob now that i have the frontend hooked up to a tv

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flindet:

that's really weird. So, for a year you've been recording shows, but never watching them???

[20:27:24]

squish102:

if u watching a show, and stop it half way through, when you play it again, will it continue from where it left off?

[20:27:35]

flindet:

hit enter to save your position

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riversma:

anybody using myth archive in r5d1

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gardengnome:

squish102: depends. you can configure it to ask you what you want to do on exit

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flindet:

though it may save the position automatically

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squish102:

recording, burning onto dvd, watching / or making xvid and watching from another computer

[20:28:51]

squish102:

ok let me test it out. wife gonna be pissed if i loose her place

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flindet:

hit enter to save her place

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flindet:

if it worked, it will save "Position saved" in the upper left

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flindet:

s/save/say/

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squish102:

ok it did say that

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flindet:

then you should be able to safely leave

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squish102:

but now how do i get back, just play again

[20:31:36]

flindet:

when you start the show again, it will start from the saved position

[20:31:39]

squish102:

i screwed it up i think

[20:31:42]

flindet:

or you will spend the night in the doghouse

[20:31:47]

flindet:

hahah, no just kidding. It will work.

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flindet:

yeah, just play it again, it will start from the position you saved

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squish102:

it did do it and it started, then i hit a couple other keys on the remote, and now it starts from the begining

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briand:

actually, it'll prompt you whether to start at the bookmark or at the beginning

[20:32:36]

squish102:

now i am skipping until i find the right position

[20:33:04]

squish102:

nope, mine just starts at beginig again, every time

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briand:

you should see a 'bookmark icon' on the lower part of the screen when you're in the watch recordings screen...

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flindet:

madness

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flindet:

what version are you using?

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briand:

squish102: it appears that the trailing '/' had *something* to do with it... it has gone beyond the point it previously stopped at...

[20:41:04]

briand:

dvdauthor has completed and it's burning the ISO image to disk

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Cyberai:

Does anyone here have deep-level knowledge of how channel tuning works for us-cable, with regards to the mhz/khz tuning? I have a single channel that looks horrible. But if I hook up a cable-ready tv to the same outlet I get a perfect picture. The only thing unique about this channel is that it's a premium channel that my apt complex unscrambles for us. I've tried fine-tuning it with tthe mythweb fine-tuning tool, but everything I d

[20:47:57]

Cyberai:

o just makes it worse.

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flindet:

I have channels that do that too. I don't know the solution though

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flindet:

if you find it, please shar

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flindet:

share

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Randall:

Hello guys anyone else have problems with a comcast dct-2000 changing channels latly?

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Cyberai:

flindet, are your channels premium channels?

[20:52:39]

flindet:

no, in fact, I suspect my problem may be the tuner, but I'm not sure

[20:52:53]

flindet:

but I'm too cheap to pay for premium, and I'm not in a situation where I get them free :-(

[20:53:19]

Cyberai:

flindet, can you describe what the channels in question look like?

[20:53:38]

flindet:

Randall: my comcast dct-6200 is still working correctly. Maybe you can switch?

[20:53:42]

Xteven:

hi again

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Xteven:

do any of you have a dvb-s card ?

[20:53:58]

[shodan]:

anyone knows if this component capture card works with linux ? -> http://www.pluggedin.tv/s.nl;jsessionid=ac112 . . . =A&id=10

[20:54:04]

flindet:

flindet: Hmm... hard to describe. Almost like a layer of plaid has laid on top of the screen

[20:54:19]

flindet:

haha... wrote to myself

[20:54:25]

flindet:

Cyberai: Hmm... hard to describe. Almost like a layer of plaid has laid on top of the screen

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Cyberai:

flindet, would you say you have shadows – where you can see a shadowy version of objects in the image to the right or left of the actual object?

[20:56:33]

flindet:

I think I've seen that before yeah

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Cyberai:

flindet, then that is your tuner, what model/make is it?

[20:56:52]

flindet:

In my case, though, I can delete it and allow a rerecord, and sometimes the next recording of the same channel will be fine

[20:56:53]

squish102:

briand so it worked?

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flindet:

that's why i suspect it's one of my tuners

[20:57:19]

briand:

squish102: it's creating the dvd right now

[20:57:30]

briand:

squish102: and i'm writing up the bug for mytharchive, as well. ;)

[20:57:35]

flindet:

I have a pvr 350, 2 pvr 250s, and a dct-6200 via firewire

[20:57:40]

Cyberai:

flindet, I have a hauppage 150, and it works perfect, and a 250 that always has shadows

[20:57:56]

flindet:

I suspect one of my analog cards got overheated

[20:57:59]

flindet:

I've had heating issues

[20:58:09]

squish102:

any idea how to jump to the bookmark i left?

[20:58:24]

Cyberai:

flindet, you should be able to see it while watching tv live as well. You can switch between tuners to check it

[20:58:31]

flindet:

squish102: what do you mean by "jump"?

[20:58:45]

flindet:

Cyberai: Yeah, just haven't got around to doing it yet. :-/

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squish102:

flindet, i left a bookmark by pressing enter, now i am wondering how to get back to it

[21:00:56]

Cyberai:

flindet, you should see the effect on ALL channels with that tuner if it's the tuner

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Randall:

flindet: I can't they won't give them out anymore

[21:02:08]

Randall:

flindet: its a small pos with no serial port

[21:02:35]

Cyberai:

flindet, if the effect stays on certain channels, but others are OK, and it doesn't matter what tuner you use – then try forcing a complete reload of your channels with mythfilldatabase (see the man for details on how)

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Cyberai:

what I have is one channel with a general fuzziness and white fuzz lines on both sides

[21:03:32]

Cyberai:

all other channels look great

[21:04:14]

flindet:

Randall: they won't give out the dct-6200 anymore? WTF? that blows. When did they start that?

[21:04:17]

briand:

squish102: my boss will be thrilled. he's a big Bruce Hornsby fan... so now he'll have a DVD of the "Live at the Town Hall" show and the "Bruce Hornsby & Ricky Scaggs" appearance on CMT Crossroads.

[21:04:21]

flindet:

Randall: and why?

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briand:

the new dvd is currently playing in my panasonic dvd player, so I guess everything must've worked

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recon39:

rsdvd I got a question for you

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gardengnome:

hey recon39

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nordle:

Juski: Did you catch topgear? Was Lemar just acting?

[21:11:57]

recon39:

hey gardengnome maybe you could answer this for me

[21:13:15]

recon39:

I am running totem on mythtv user and it works but when I start the mythfronend and play dvd i get this message from totem The source seems encrypted, and can't be read. Are you trying to play an encrypted DVD without libdvdcss?

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Cyberai:

recon39, not to be stupid, but did you install libdvdcss?

[21:14:16]

gardengnome:

you can watch a DVD with totem, but if you start mythfrontend and play a dvd while totem is playing the dvd... it, uh, huh? :?

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recon39:

i went to the main user and installed libdvdcss and that did not work

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gardengnome:

you confused me ;)

[21:14:38]

recon39:

i installed it

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recon39:

the totem playes the dvd before i open the fronend for myth and when i cliclk on play dvd on the frontend i get that message from totem

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gardengnome:

recon39: you can't have two dvd players access the same DVD driver, that won't work.

[21:16:17]

recon39:

I stop totem before i start the mythfrontend

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gardengnome:

recon39: what does mythfrontend say in the terminal when you try to play a dvd

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gardengnome:

yeah, but how can *totem* give you a message?

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Cyberai:

recon39, can you play the dvd in regular xine or mplayer?

[21:16:43]

recon39:

no i got only one dvd player on mythfrontend

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recon39:

not on mythfrontend

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recon39:

I can play gxine on the main user but not on myth user

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Cyberai:

recon39, quit out of mythfrontend and launch mplayer with "gmplayer" in a terminal and then open the DVD

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Cyberai:

in mplayer and see if it plays OK

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recon39:

ok I will try that thanks

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Randall:

sorry

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Randall:

thy stoped giving them out since december

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kormoc:

Hrm... I'm out of tv

[21:20:00]

Randall:

and I think that the a firmware update killed my dct-2224 serial connection

[21:20:16]

Randall:

was working fine till this morning

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recon39:

gardengnome how do i open dvd while in the terminal i got mplayer open

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gardengnome:

recon39: why would you do that? you can't run two dvd players at once.

[21:21:20]

recon39:

I am not running two players at once

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gardengnome:

what are you trying to do?

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recon39:

got both shut down

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recon39:

just what you said try running mplayer from terminal

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** juski uploads the subtitled video to youtube :) **

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gardengnome:

i never said anything about mplayer ;)

[21:22:32]

gardengnome:

recon39: that was Cyberai

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recon39:

sorry that was cyberai that said that

[21:23:22]

Cyberai:

recon39, right click on the video screen and choose DVD->open disc

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recon39:

ok it fail to open

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Cyberai:

ok, exit mplayer and try it with xine

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recon39:

ok

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juski:

heheh it'll appear on the tubes shortly ;)

[21:26:34]

recon39:

get error from gxine

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gardengnome:

recon39: it'd be EXTREMELY!!! helpful if you would give us the exact error message.

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Cyberai:

recon39, then IMHO, you don't have libdvdcss installed properly. What distro are you running, and how did you install it?

[21:27:52]

recon39:

well I just tried totem from the terminal and it plays there

[21:28:34]

recon39:

i am running ubuntu edgy and i installed it from the repository's

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juski:

omg I made it & still find it funny. that must mean something

[21:29:31]

Cyberai:

recon39, did you install the win32 codecs?

[21:29:43]

Xteven:

is anyone using a dvb-s card in linux ?

[21:30:02]

recon39:

maybe not are they in the repositories too

[21:30:05]

gardengnome:

juski: you did a great job at synchronizing the subs to his fits

[21:30:27]

juski:

gardengnome: heheheh not bad for a rush job eh

[21:30:44]

gardengnome:

Cyberai, recon39: you don't need w32codecs for dvd playback.

[21:30:45]

juski:

vegas is so easy ;)

[21:30:46]

gardengnome:

juski: ;)

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Cyberai:

true gardengnome, I had a sudden stroke of retarded there, sorry

[21:31:22]

recon39:

I did not know win32 codecs was needed for ubuntu

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Cyberai:

recon39, only if you ever want to play videos in avi, wmv, quicktime etc

[21:31:53]

gardengnome:

recon39: they are not. unless you try to play juski's video which is wmv crap ;)

[21:31:54]

recon39:

ok

[21:32:01]

reldruh:

how do I know what driver to use for my remote in lirc?

[21:32:28]

gardengnome:

newer versions of mplayer, eg from svn, can do those annoying wmv files natively

[21:32:38]

recon39:

I think it has got to do with the fronend setup

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recon39:

I just dont know

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gardengnome:

recon39: please give us an error message, something we can work with.

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gardengnome:

recon39: everything is just theology, eg taking stabs in the dark

[21:34:36]

Cyberai:

well, I'm off, girlfriend in fishnets, a man must have priorities

[21:34:42]

recon39:

ok the message totem gives is did i install libdvdcss

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gardengnome:

cyberai must be a fisher then

[21:35:29]

recon39:

when I tried gxine it would not read the dvd like it was not there

[21:35:57]

gardengnome:

recon39: doesn't totem work for you?

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recon39:

it only works when I bring it up through applications then sound and video and clicking on totem it won't work on mythfrontend

[21:37:15]

AMD-:

helo can any one help me i cant seen to watch tv any more i keep getting "could not connect to the master backend server"

[21:37:25]

recon39:

that is why i think it is in the frontend setup

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kormoc:

AMD-, is the master backend running?

[21:37:46]

gardengnome:

recon39: could you type "id mythtv" in a terminal and show me the output?

[21:38:01]

recon39:

yes

[21:38:10]

gardengnome:

recon39: are you gonna do it? ;)

[21:38:41]

AMD-:

also i cant setup my storage directories i click it but nothing happends

[21:38:50]

recon39:

here is the out put $ id mythtv

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AMD-:

kormoc: yes i run sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start

[21:40:18]

gardengnome:

recon39: "mythtv" needs to be in the group "cdrom". the utility "usermod", specifically its "-G" (not -g!) will help you to add "mythtv" to the group "cdrom".

[21:41:05]

gardengnome:

recon39: read the man page for usermod

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recon39:

will you help me add it to cdrom

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recon39:

ok I will

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recon39:

just type in usermod in the terminal

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** kormoc blinks **

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** kormoc wonders if recon39 is for real **

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gardengnome:

recon39: type "man usermod". or type "man man", that'll give you an introduction how the system for manual pages in linux works

[21:42:58]

recon39:

I am dumb kormoc new at this

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recon39:

ok thanks

[21:43:50]

gardengnome:

kormoc: every time i grow impatient i watch mythnoob.wmv ;)

[21:44:10]

kormoc:

gardengnome, don't think I've seen that one :P

[21:44:39]

AMD-:

what dose mythtv mean when i cant get to "storage directories"

[21:45:12]

reldruh:

every time i start mythtv-frontend it pre-scales theme images. Always takes about 5 minutes. How would I tell it not to do that every time?

[21:45:52]

kormoc:

gardengnome, ha, seen the base video before :P

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kormoc:

juski, I'd laugh other then the fact it's too real at times :P

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AMD-:

ok it seems i was sappose to run mythbackend -d

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AMD-:

not sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start

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juski:

jees. how long does youtube take to process an uploaded vid?!

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gardengnome:

o/

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reldruh:

does anybody know why mythtv wouldn't be using the pre-scaled theme images it creates for me every time it starts?

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juski:

reldruh: er.. because the frontend can't write a themecache dir in ~/.mythtv maybe

[22:05:53]

reldruh:

juski: the directory is there. I'm looking at it right now with a bunch of images in it

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reldruh:

themecache/blue.1680x1050

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reldruh:

is it supposed to do two progress bars? It pre-scales them once, then does it again for some reason

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reldruh:

juski: no, I don't touch the resolution

[22:09:10]

reldruh:

mythtv seems very fragile. Nothing has changed but it randomly tells me that it can't connect to the master backend.

[22:09:34]

gbee:

UK users – Advert or Advertisement in the English translation? Vote now ...

[22:09:48]

juski:

Advert

[22:10:19]

gbee:

lots of UK users here then ;)

[22:10:27]

juski:

or as I call them – '4 rightarrow"

[22:10:32]

gbee:

thanks juski, I was leaning that way too

[22:11:09]

reldruh:

the first time I got this problem the only way I found of fixing it was to nuke my backend and reinstall everything, but if something like this is going to happen daily (I've had mythtv up for 2 days and this is the 2nd time it's happened) then it's really not worth it...

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** juski resists the temptation to say "boo hoo" **

[22:11:37]

juski:

whoops I just said it

[22:11:40]

t0ny-p40:

how do I test to see if lirc is working?

[22:12:06]

juski:

t0ny-p40: irw is a good indicator. should print button names & codes in the term when you press remote buttons

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juski:

reldruh: check you have enough space on the partition the db is living on (/ by default)

[22:13:15]

juski:

mysql poos its pants when hdd space is low or nonexistent

[22:13:19]

reldruh:

juski: it's a new intsall, only a 40GB drive, but I haven't recorded anything. I just checked the status of recordings and only 8% of the drive was used

[22:13:32]

reldruh:

something like 33GB free

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reldruh:

I don't understand this. Should I restart mysql or mythtv-backend?

[22:14:12]

juski:

all sorts of things can cause the backend to fall over, but without providing us with enough info to work with we can't help

[22:15:27]

juski:

anyway folks... early start

[22:15:29]

juski:

so g'night

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reldruh:

all right. Sorry if I was getting terse. It's been a very frustrating couple of days. I was watching TV, exited to the menu, then went back to try and watch TV and got the error message: "Could not connect to the master backend server — is it running? Is the IP address set for it in the setup program correct?"

[22:16:42]

Jaydoublem:

hello

[22:17:56]

ackbar:

Does anybody know how to remove individual channels from the setup channel listing? I seem to be able to only remove the entire listing

[22:18:02]

reldruh:

hi Jaydoublem

[22:18:36]

Jaydoublem:

anybody has experience with the channel preset problem?

[22:19:06]

gbee:

not good, my eyes are starting to lose focus, think I'll have to finish this translation tomorrow

[22:19:38]

ackbar:

or the other question, which would make my first unnecessary: Is there a way to make it so MythTV ignores encrypted QAM channels?

[22:20:10]

gardengnome:

ackbar: there's a checkbox in the channel scanner

[22:20:33]

ackbar:

I didn't see one, is this something very new? i'm using .20

[22:20:41]

gardengnome:

it should be there

[22:21:06]

gbee:

it's under the videosource iirc – ignore encrypted channels or something

[22:21:17]

ackbar:

ok, i'll look again

[22:22:09]

gbee:

might be "uncrypted channels only" (got the translation file open ;) )

[22:23:17]

simcop2387-tv:

i've got a couple of extra buttons on the new wireless mouse on my parents myth box, is there an easy way to use them to control playback? e.g. pause/play and forward and back?

[22:23:58]

ackbar:

i'm checking it now

[22:27:18]

reldruh:

can somebody help me figure out why mythtv says it can't connect to my backend server?

[22:27:47]

Xteven:

maybe it's not running

[22:28:26]

t0ny-p40:

What should I use my 15" lcd or my 20" tv for mythtv?

[22:28:40]

Jaydoublem:

wrong IP?

[22:28:44]

t0ny-p40:

bah I'll use the tv

[22:29:38]

ackbar:

I checked, and I see no checkboxes at all

[22:31:58]

reldruh:

how can I check if mysql and mythtv-backend are running on my backend?

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gbee:

ps -A | grep myth

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reldruh:

gbee: and if mythtv-backend isn't running, by mysqld is, can I just run /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart?

[22:33:35]

gbee:

yep

[22:34:04]

ackbar:

on the scan page, I see the following: Video Source, Capture Card: HDHOMERUN, Scan Type: Full Scan, Frequency Table: Cable High, ATSC Modulation: Cable(QAM-256), Channel Separator: 5–1, Existing Channel Treatment: Minimal Updates.... nothing that has anything to do with ignore encrypted channels

[22:34:31]

reldruh:

gbee: I just restarted it, but doing ps -A it still doesn't come up

[22:34:54]

reldruh:

I guess this explains why I keep getting error messages about not being able to connect to the backend database

[22:35:50]

reldruh:

gbee: is there some other way to start mythtv-backend? Would a full restart do it?

[22:37:29]

gbee:

ackbar: just checked, it's under the input connections page

[22:38:07]

ackbar:

which version of myth are you using?

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gbee:

although I've just considered the possibility that it's not being shown for CAM inputs

[22:38:29]

gbee:

HEAD – but it's been there since 0.18 or even 0.17

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ackbar:

my guess is that what they mean by "encrypted" is the analog "scrambled"?

[22:39:13]

ackbar:

so digital inputs dont have this capability?

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gbee:

what card type is it (under Capture Cards)?

[22:40:03]

ackbar:

I dont see anything on the inputs

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ackbar:

HDHomeRun

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gbee:

hmm, well the option is definately there for HDHomeRun in SVN, it was probably added after 0.20

[22:41:26]

ackbar:

doh

[22:41:37]

ackbar:

what about deleting channels from the channel lineup?

[22:41:38]

Jaydoublem:

who can help me control an external cable box?

[22:41:54]

ackbar:

i dont see that available either

[22:43:48]

t0ny-p40:

With lirc how do I find the codes for a remote that I dont have configured?

[22:43:49]

gbee:

ackbar: hit 'm' whilst highlighting the channel, or 'd' probably works too

[22:44:08]

gardengnome:

t0ny-p40: irrecord

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t0ny-p40:

thanks

[22:44:59]

gbee:

ackbar: if you know your way around mysql and sql, you could try setting the freetoaironly column to 1 in the cardinput table, it may or may not work

[22:45:30]

gbee:

reldruh: you could try starting it directly from the console – mythbackend

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DeKay:

t0ny-p40: best to google around for a good lircd.conf file first that might suit your needs. irrecord can be a hassle.

[22:45:46]

reldruh:

gbee: all rght, I'll give it a shot

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gbee:

if it's failing to start for any reason, you should be able to see why from the output

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reldruh:

gbee: when I try to start it it tells me that it's already running

[22:46:42]

gbee:

I'm about to fall asleep on the keyboard, so I'm not going to be of any further help

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reldruh:

gbee: all right, thanks

[22:47:28]

reldruh:

can anybody else help me figure out why I'm having problem starting mythtv-backend?

[22:47:39]

ackbar:

gbee: thanks. on deleting channels: that'd be nice if that was documented, or shown on the channel page... randomly hitting keys on the keyboard isn't a good idea

[22:48:05]

gbee:

ackbar: noted

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ackbar:

or, better yet, allow the <delete> key to work

[22:48:52]

ackbar:

thanks for the help

[22:49:20]

squish102:

ackbar, so u were able to remove one channel from mythtv?

[22:50:16]

Randall:

who has a dct6200?

[22:50:19]

reldruh:

OK, I just got a new error message when running mythbackend. I tells me that it was unable to connect to database, access denied for 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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Jaydoublem:

reldruh I had that problem

[22:51:39]

Jaydoublem:

do you know the password for Mysql?

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reldruh:

Jaydoublem: how did you fix it? It sounds like a permissions problem...

[22:51:50]

reldruh:

Jaydoublem: yes, I changed it to 'mythtv'

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ackbar:

yup

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Jaydoublem:

ok, there is a couple of files that contain the mysql password, and one of them jas usually a random password in it while the others have mythtv

[22:52:38]

ackbar:

squish102: at least it asked if i wanted to delete it, i didn't accept yet

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heanol:

i'm running my frontend on an nvidia card (using the xv-stuff) and the OSD is missing colors and sometimes a part of it stays on the tv when its removed

[22:53:05]

heanol:

i didnt have this problem with my ATI card so i assume its nvidia-related

[22:53:09]

recon32:

hello everyone

[22:53:10]

heanol:

is it an nvidia bug or mythtv?

[22:53:27]

Jaydoublem:

i don't know the name of it right now, but im looking for itr

[22:53:35]

Jaydoublem:

what distribution do you have?

[22:53:44]

ackbar:

heanol: the black and white is specific to the nvidia xv... dont know about the other problem

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reldruh:

Jaydoublem: kubuntu server

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heanol:

i can see the osd has colors when i start watch tv and the tv-stream hasnt started yet

[22:53:53]

heanol:

ackbar, is there a fix?

[22:53:57]

Jaydoublem:

yeah this is a ubuntu problem

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ackbar:

heanol: yeah, dont use xv

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Jaydoublem:

gimme a second and ill find the problem

[22:54:18]

recon32:

could i bother some one for just a little bit of help on setting up a player and how to get the dvd ripper going

[22:54:36]

heanol:

ackbar, is there a big performance difference? its quite slow frontend, 600MHz..

[22:54:42]

kormoc:

heanol, which nvidia card?

[22:55:07]

heanol:

6200

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recon32:

rsdvd are you still in here

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ackbar:

i can't really say too well, since I can still barely play HD with it on... (2000+ XP)

[22:55:51]

kormoc:

heanol, it's actually limited to XvMC, not Xv, and you're sol with color OSD and XvMC with that version

[22:56:17]

kormoc:

heanol, you could, say just try disabling XvMC and see if it's acceptable or not

[22:56:22]

heanol:

yeah

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heanol:

i forgot how i enabled it in the first place though ;)

[22:56:37]

heanol:

i guess its somewhere in the settings of myth.

[22:56:47]

recon32:

got the totem playing on the frontend but I just had a few more questiions

[22:56:53]

ackbar:

it's a checkbox in the General setting, i believe

[22:56:56]

ackbar:

on the frontend

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recon32:

on mithfrontend

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ackbar:

maybe in "playback"

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heanol:

yeah it was in playback

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heanol:

it seems acceptable :)

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heanol:

thanks guys

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reldruh:

Jaydoublem: I found the file /etc/myththv/mysql.txt with a password field that isn't set to 'mythtv' Could that be it?

[23:00:06]

Jaydoublem:

i just found it too

[23:00:13]

reldruh:

is that the one?

[23:00:18]

Jaydoublem:

yeah change the password to mythtv and u should be set

[23:00:21]

Jaydoublem:

yes

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reldruh:

OK, I did that, but got another error about not having write access. I realize that running mythbackend as root isn't optimal, but it would probably fix that, no?

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Jaydoublem:

hmm

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Jaydoublem:

whats the error?

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reldruh:

/var/lib/mythtv//nfslockfile.lock: permission denied

[23:02:42]

Jaydoublem:

i don't know

[23:02:54]

reldruh:

OK, well I'll try it out. Thanks for your help

[23:03:03]

Jaydoublem:

maybe u can chmod it

[23:03:05]

reldruh:

I've spent a good 24 hours agonizing over that one

[23:03:09]

Jaydoublem:

and itll work

[23:03:15]

reldruh:

mmm, I'll try that first :-)

[23:03:34]

heanol:

i've set up a softvol pcm-device in alsa, named myth

[23:03:42]

heanol:

with a MythMaster control for volume

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heanol:

so i've set the output device to ALSA:myth

[23:04:12]

heanol:

which works and uses the correct one since i can raise and owe rthe volume on the MythMaster control externally and it affects mythtv

[23:04:20]

heanol:

but i can't get mythtv to use that control

[23:04:32]

heanol:

i've se the Mixer Device to "myth" and Mixer Controls to "MythMaster"

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heanol:

is there anything else?

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heanol:

tricky, the Mixer Device needed to be set to "default"

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Jaydoublem:

reldruh any success?

[23:14:09]

reldruh:

yes, it's working now ;-)

[23:14:16]

Jaydoublem:

great

[23:14:28]

Jaydoublem:

frontend running by now?

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reldruh:

Jaydoublem: we'll see. It seems to stop without any logical reason

[23:14:40]

Jaydoublem:

the frontend?

[23:14:44]

Jaydoublem:

or backend?

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reldruh:

Jaydoublem: yes, my frontend's OK. I'm trying to set up another frontend system, but I'm having problems with lirc :-(

[23:14:50]

reldruh:

Jaydoublem: the backend does

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Jaydoublem:

did u check the log

[23:15:08]

reldruh:

where is the log...?

[23:15:18]

Jaydoublem:

what are u trying to do with lirc, transmit or receiving?

[23:15:29]

reldruh:

transmit

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Jaydoublem:

/var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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Jaydoublem:

did u check marks braindump? that howto?

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reldruh:

no, I haven't looked at that one yet. But at the moment, that computer won't even turn on

[23:18:17]

reldruh:

it was installing a kernel update and then went kaput and won't turn on anymore

[23:18:46]

reldruh:

I'm just waiting for it to cool down now

[23:19:03]

reldruh:

all right, I'm going to go buy some cables. I'm sure I'll be back in a few hours with more questions

[23:19:07]

reldruh:

thanks for all your help

[23:19:12]

Jaydoublem:

alright

[23:28:52]

DeKay:

Why would Mythfrontend say "MythTV is locked by a user" right after a reboot?

[23:30:22]

DeKay:

never mind

[23:31:22]

DeKay:

I found the Lock Shutdown menu item and unlocked it

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Randall:

are they encryption channels over firewire yet?

[23:37:38]

kormoc:

this time in english?

[23:39:00]

Randall:

when you get video from the firewire from a hdbox are they encrypted?

[23:39:28]

nordle:

Kaffeine has this interestng feature whereby you can watch 2, watch 1 record 1, or record 2 channels as long as they are on the same multiplex. Very useful it can be. Does anyone have any thoughts on if this is good enough to be implemented somehow?

[23:40:00]

nordle:

So in theory, 2 dvb devices can opperate 4 channels at the same time.

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kormoc:

Randall, depends on your cable co and where you live and what laws might apply

[23:43:33]

kormoc:

nordle, it's been requested very often, patches would be welcome

[23:44:30]

GreyFoxx:

Randall: It's a crapshoot. It is 100% at the whim of your company

[23:44:48]

GreyFoxx:

locally nothing is encrypted over firewire, in other places some channels are, and in others all are

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nordle:

kormoc: ahh ok. I have no idea how it works, only that it exists, just wondered what other people thought. It would help, for example, when something is set to record because I know I'm going to miss the first 10mins. So I arrive, and want to watch from now onwards, but can't because the device is recording and does not allow it to be viewed (that I can see anyway).

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kormoc:

nordle, or you can just go to view recordings, pick it and fast forward to the current position

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rsdvd:

nordle : it comes up often – and the work from the devs is that it is a complex thing to add to the code......and simple quicker answer is buy another tuner card

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nordle:

kormoc: Does it carry on then as the recording grows?

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kormoc:

nordle, yes

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nordle:

rsdvd: fair enough if its a PITA, but cheaper (for us) than buying another card, plus some platforms don't have space (PCI), although I guess USB sticks are ok.

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rsdvd:

nordle : I am suer it will make it's way into the code at some point – for me I woudl love it – 4 DVB cards and I could simultaneously record all our proadcast channels! but for now I am resigned to adding another card or and letting them tune when they need to

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XavierKing:

Hey. I'm trying to get mythtv to automatically flag commercials and then transcode them out using a mpeg to mpeg transcode. i tried the script in the guide here. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Removing_Commercials and i got this error: Session management error: Authentication Rejected. Perhaps theres an easier way to do it? I can't quite figure it out. mythtranscode doesnt seem to honor my cutlist.

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nordle:

rsdvd: It's good to know that it's already been/being considered.

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Randall:

GreyFoxx: I have comcast

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kormoc:

Randall, comcast is a franchise, so depends on your local office

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kormoc:

XavierKing, "Session management error: Authentication Rejected." isn't really an error, and can be ignored

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XavierKing:

it seems to quit at that error though.

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kormoc:

nordle, rsdvd, or you could pay a dev to do so

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rsdvd:

kormoc : I would – but I think it will be very expensive – and I am happy with just buying more DVB cards :-)

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nordle:

kormoc: let my just check my lottery ticket and I'll get back to you ;)

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rsdvd:

right I am off to bed – I will leave you to decide which you you can afford to pay a dev :-)

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monkeyBox:

I'm not getting any program data for certain channels. I've just run mythfilldatabase. I've also verified the XMLTVID's are entered in correctly, and that I have the correct channel selected in my zap2it lineup. What could be going wrong??

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