Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, February 22nd, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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stuarta:

799Mb

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Dibblah:

Yes, that's right. 800Mb.

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hjohnson:

someone needs some basic garbage collection training.

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** stuarta was clearly being optimistic **

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Dibblah:

But this isn't a problem – Since 'unused memory is just paged out'.

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stuarta:

someone needs a major lesson in how to write code.

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Dibblah:

So... For anyone considering using the History plugin in Kopete, don't.

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stuarta:

bah... apple's quicktime doesn't like mpegs which are h264+ac3 :(

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gardengnome:

Fony_Vaio: that's not a real CAM. it's a just a dumb interface, the crypto algorithm is still implemented in software.

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juski:

gardengnome beat me to the punch

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Fony_Vaio:

and using software is bad?

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juski:

Fony_Vaio: yeah – since ANY software could be used

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gardengnome:

Fony_Vaio: no royalties will be paid to whoever licences that algorithm.

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juski:

it's a lot like mythtv's stance on torrents. there are legal uses and there are illegal uses

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Fony_Vaio:

heh, isn't this like playing dvd's in linux or something?

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Fony_Vaio:

macrovision

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** sandeen gets a tip from j-rod about massively reduced cpu usage w/ xvmc in upcoming 0.20-fixes, yay! **

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janneg:

lol: "I imagine it is never released because your malloc/free()"

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janneg:

implementation doesn't release memory back to the operating system."

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gardengnome:

who would ever play encrypted DVDs on linux? ;)

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Fony_Vaio:

lol

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juski:

Fony_Vaio: mythtv doesn't come with support for that either

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** Fony_Vaio grumbles quietly **

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Fony_Vaio:

the industry is really queer

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mishehu:

gardengnome: we all know that only pirates would want to rip their dvds, and that all pirates use linux. linux is not a real operating system that does real things, it's just a pirate-enabling tool.

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mishehu:

</sarcasm>

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Fony_Vaio:

lol

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mishehu:

anyway, HELP please.

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Fony_Vaio:

seriously, though, it seems like ppl who don't use windows are being punished just for that reason, since most ppl that pirate things (at least ones i know) only use windows.

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mishehu:

I've got less than an hour before stupid american idol is on and needs to be recorded before the wife goes ballistic when it doesn't work...

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hjohnson:

no hanky panky for you tonight! ;)

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mishehu:

hjohnson: she's pregnant, no hanky panky for a while unfortunately.

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Fony_Vaio:

mishehu, haha.... been there, done that..

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hjohnson:

heh

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mishehu:

some women get more into hanky panky after getting pregnant, others less... I got stuck with one that gets less...

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juski:

Fony_Vaio: and the ones who are after pirated stuff, you can bet they didn't pay for their Windows

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hjohnson:

mishehu: anyhow all I can offer in relation to your problem is see if you can test it with commandline tools..

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gardengnome:

mishehu: it's possible that ivtv 0.10.0 uses a new API or something.

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hjohnson:

use the ivtv tools to change channels, then do a cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg and see if you get a decent video out of it.

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hjohnson:

that will tell you if your system is at least functional.

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stuarta:

ah well, i'm outta here. later....

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hjohnson:

ciao.

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juski:

later stuarta

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Fony_Vaio:

juski, that's what i mean... pretty much everyone i know that uses linux as their main os actually pays for their stuff, i find it really sad that they're criminalised whilst ppl running bent copies of windows, happily circumventing all sorts of protection systems at the click of a mouse using wizard driven software are left happily alone. most ppl i know that have lots of pirate software couldn't even work out

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Fony_Vaio:

how to use linux. sad sad sad

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Fony_Vaio:

</rant>

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hjohnson:

Fony_Vaio: right, but the issue is that if they release the info for linux and the like, then it's also available to the others which makes it even easier to rip for windows.

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hjohnson:

we linux users don't count because we don't represent a significant amount of th emarket.

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juski:

yeah – and those very same people – when they come to linux suddenly moan that the *real* free software doesn't do what they want, how they want or when they want – funny that they don't do the same for their closed-source warez isn't it?

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hjohnson:

I dunno, I just auto /ignore wankers like that.

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hjohnson:

though i'm canadian, so it should be hosers.

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juski:

my ignore list gets bigger every day

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Fony_Vaio:

hjohnson, poor excuse from the industry, methinks...

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gardengnome:

i dont have any ignore list. the pain reminds me that i'm still alive.

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hjohnson:

Fony_Vaio: sure, but the reality is that it's hard to actually implement a DRM scheme that's totally open.. if not impossible.

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Fony_Vaio:

hjohnson, i see the practical / ideological implications from the industry's POV.

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juski:

so umm.. just *trust* the end users & slam down hard on those who break the rules

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gardengnome:

mishehu: #2954 might be related somehow, but i'm not sure

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juski:

</idealogical>

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hjohnson:

juski: of course, but remember, these are backed by accountants who look at profits/losses, and liabilities and what not...

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Fony_Vaio:

although, i don't think any protection mechanisms will really disuade ppl in the end.. all will be cracked, and ppl will distribute... it's human nature.

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hjohnson:

they don't like the idea that what they produce is infinitely copyable without cost.. it just doesn' tcompute to them.

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hjohnson:

the economics have change,d and they ahven't.

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Fony_Vaio:

they spend a *lot* on those mechanisms, that don't really work, right?

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hjohnson:

Fony_Vaio: they work well enough for the majority of the population.

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hjohnson:

in north america.

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hjohnson:

and europe.

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juski:

it's not just that. digital copying doesn't offer most end users much. if people wanted perfect copies there'd be no market for those nasty pirate dvds shot in cinemas

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hjohnson:

juski: right, but I'd wager that's a very small percentage of the market.

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Fony_Vaio:

ok, nasty pirate copies aside (that's only 'cause movies are too new for dvd quality copies)

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Fony_Vaio:

there is a chinese guy that walks around the local high street in my town

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Fony_Vaio:

walking from shop to shop, with a massive bag full of dvd's

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hjohnson:

most non-tech types aren't up to speed enough to download movies and the like... even music these days.

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hjohnson:

it's easier and less effort for them to just buy it form itms

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Fony_Vaio:

i know a load of ppl who buy from him, all say the copies are excellent quality, and they continue to purchase from him.

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Fony_Vaio:

what i mean is, there will always be crack, someone intelligent enough to crack (1 in a 1000, doesn't matter) and someone with euntrepenureal spirit enough to distribute to public

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hjohnson:

Fony_Vaio: right, but that's anecdotal evidence, and I don't know how much it applies to the west in general.

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juski:

I know I'm in the minority when I say show me a movie or cd worth buying & I'll buy it

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hjohnson:

when I was in Iraq, all the "haji" shops on basses were full of pirated dvds.

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Fony_Vaio:

juski, I agree. Most times i go to the cinema i'm dissapointed.

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juski:

I'm well acquainted with folks who download literally *everything* going just because they can

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hjohnson:

(if you'll pardon the language)

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juski:

they don't necessarily even *want* the stuff really

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hjohnson:

juski: so am I, but the question is: is your sample representative... most of us geek-types are mainly friends iwth other tech-types.. so our sample is skewed.

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Fony_Vaio:

hjohnson, that's what i mean

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juski:

the thing I say to all the non-techies who don't see what all the fuss is about DRM.. is this... "don't you mind having all those boxes next to the tv, all doing one thing each?"

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hjohnson:

I think statistically, downloading music is pretty big in Canada at least... though I suspect that's gone down somewhat now that it's more difficult to access.

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Fony_Vaio:

i've been to other countries too, like africa, nothing is "legal" in our sense of the word

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hjohnson:

juski: right, but they had all those boxes before.. a tape deck, a radio, a cd player, an LP turntable...

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juski:

HD_DVD player, bluray player, this player, the stb, the other STB, the cable box, the VCR, the DVD...

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Fony_Vaio:

juski, not just that, what about interoperability?

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hjohnson:

juski: right, but that's not much of a change from the days of yore. :)

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juski:

the public need to get clued up about convergence

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gardengnome:

that's why we have a "mythical convergence box".

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hjohnson:

gardengnome: when it works. ;)

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mishehu:

gardengnome / hjohnson: sorry guys, I was goign thru an strace of mythbackend... too much kludge to sift thru though. the story is this – if I simply `cat /dev/v4l/video0 > some_temp_file.mpg` , the file does in fact contain video from the pvr250

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juski:

and that doesn't mean playing your pvr recordings on your fucking 10GBP a minute mobile phone

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Fony_Vaio:

it's not just having the discs by the tv, it's whether you can play them when hdcp1.5 comes out and your 50" plasma doesn't support the encryption now

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Fony_Vaio:

it'll all end in tears

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hjohnson:

yes, that will piss people off..

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Fony_Vaio:

juski, 10 quid a min??? :-O

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juski:

mishehu: so it could be your ivtv is too new for mythtv

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hjohnson:

but then they're used to constant obscelesence now, so they'll buy that 65" OLED as an upgrade.

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juski:

Fony_Vaio: you get the jist ;)

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** Fony_Vaio remembers some of his o2 gprs bills... **

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** Fony_Vaio shudders **

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hjohnson:

I don't want to see my phone bills on the ocmpany phone.

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Fony_Vaio:

lol

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mishehu:

juski: yet that's what the ivtv authors strongly recommend for us to use now. :-/

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hjohnson:

i did a 35 minute support call, form the heart of africa

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Fony_Vaio:

it's all about web'n'walk on t-mob :D

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juski:

listen to us – god we sound like some linuxy-nerdish captilist-anarchisty folks

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Fony_Vaio:

if you can stand lack of gsm access, that is lol

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Fony_Vaio:

juski, commie git! lol

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juski:

mishehu: eh? I'm on 0.4.9 or so. works great

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mishehu:

juski: that sure as hell isn't going to work with this kernel.

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juski:

well what did you upgrade the kernel for? ;)

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mishehu:

I had to give up 0.4.9 long ago. when I was running kernel 2.6.16.24, I was already using ivtv 0.6.3

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juski:

jees man how many mytharchive intro videos did I make?!

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mishehu:

From ivtvdriver.org -> "I strongly recommend that people upgrade to kernel 2.6.18 or up and ivtv-0.10.x or up. Driver maintenance for older kernels (in ivtv-0.4.x, 0.6.x and 0.7.x) will be effectively discontinued. Version 0.10.0 and up is where the development effort will be concentrated. This version has seen a major internal redesign and clean up in order to solve certain race conditions. These changes won't be backported due to the huge

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juski:

mishehu: yesh, but if it worksh as is, why change?

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juski:

I only ever had the occasional glitch on 0.4.x – I doubt the majority of users will be affected enough for it to be a big issue

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mishehu:

juski: It doesnt' work, I have reiser4 problems in 2.6.16.x, none in 2.6.19.x. ivtv 0.6.3 won't even compile in antyhing newer than 2.6.16.x

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juski:

and even then – the older kernels will fade into obselescence so no worries ;)

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juski:

ah. reiserfs. 'nuff said

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gardengnome:

mishehu: maybe even deleting and re-adding your pvr 150 in mythtv-setup might help

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mishehu:

gardengnome: it's a 250, and yeah, it actually already did that for some reason... probably because I didn't have the driver built after initially installing kernel 2.6.19.4.

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mishehu:

juski: OS is on reiser4, media files go on xfs.

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juski:

anyway if they've gone & changed the API again I'd be amazed if mythtv isn't being kept up to speed since ivtv & mythtv go together like er... things that go together really well

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mishehu:

are the post 0.20 fixes not available directly from the webpage?

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juski:

nope

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juski:

subversion

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mishehu:

hmm.

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juski:

http://svn.mythtv.org

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gardengnome:

mishehu: they made some API changes: http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ivtv/stable/ChangeLog-0.10

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juski:

been thinking of suggesting something is done about those tarball download links. nightly snapshots of -fixes or summat might be better

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gardengnome:

good night

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Reaspired:

I got everything working, as far as how sound works, but now looking for tweaks.. I get this message " VideoBuffers::DiscardFrames(1): AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA — done(); pentium 4 2.6C, 1-gig with old bttv card.

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juski:

cue more moaning about people inadvertendly mixing versions...

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gardengnome:

juski: i think you can also do cronjobs on justin.mythwiki.de ;)

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gardengnome:

g'night!

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juski:

night gardengnome

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hjohnson:

just need someone to take on the thankless task of doing nightly debian packages... ;)

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hjohnson:

though I don't think you'll find a single person dumb enough to do that.

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janneg:

juski: the ivtv encoder hasn't changed. 0.10 should work with 0.20 just fine

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hjohnson:

woot, I get $5500 in expenses back...

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juski:

janneg: I was only having brainfarts

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mishehu:

hjohnson: a round of drinks for everybody?

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janneg:

the decoder api will change then the driver gets merged with the kernel. 2.6.21 might have ivtv already merged

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hjohnson:

heh

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mishehu:

pan galactic gargle-blasters

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hjohnson:

mishehu: no, I can finally make my RRSP contributions before the deadline

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mishehu:

RRSP? really reckless single persons?

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hjohnson:

Registered Retirement Savings Plan. :P

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hjohnson:

(yes, i'm one of those rare young people who's already saving for when he doesn't work any moe)

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** mishehu shakes his can at hjohnson **

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mishehu:

well not really, I'm not that old yet... give me 2 months then I will be...

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hjohnson:

lol

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janneg:

juski: I noticed that the neon-wide tarball has .svn directories. you can use svn export /tmp/neon-wide-beta2 to create a clean version

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mishehu:

hmm I assume that the release-0-20-fixes branch contains complete source...

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mishehu:

guess I have some compiling to do...

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juski:

janneg: I know already. busy cleaning up my box ready to reinstall the OS to get shot of the nasty I picked up

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juski:

but thanks :)

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janneg:

btw: it looks great but I'll stay with blootube for now

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janneg:

juski: you're welcome

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juski:

aye when I get time I need to put it on my frontend to test it some more

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juski:

then I need to get less frickin prodigious

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juski:

woo I freed up over 80GB tonight

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hjohnson:

heh

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hjohnson:

I need to schedule transcoding for my recordings.

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juski:

god not on my backend.. sheesh

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juski:

chance'd be a fine thing

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juski:

got Spooks & The State Within – 2 complete series still to watch.. and... and...

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hjohnson:

haha

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hjohnson:

I can't believe that I'm already pondering a capacity upgrade... though not for at least another 8 months.

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hjohnson:

but I'm bad.. I enver throw any data away.

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mishehu:

what exactly is OpenGL vsync?

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juski:

opengl vsync syncronises drawing video with screen refreshes

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juski:

IIRC ^^

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hjohnson:

yep.

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juski:

stops 'tearing' of video playback

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hjohnson:

I always love people who go "but I'm getting 230 fps in this game!"

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mishehu:

thats what I thought. not likely that I need it unless I was having a problem.

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hjohnson:

"yeah, but your screen can only display 75fps"

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juski:

what's the human persistence of vision again? ;)

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mishehu:

hjohnson: that's nothing, whenever I play games, I get so many frames I need to use hex... it reports to me as 0xdeadbeef.

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hjohnson:

:P

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** mishehu hrmfs! **

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mishehu:

ah hah! you can't top that!

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** mishehu grins **

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hjohnson:

you know, recordings go much better when your system clock is actually accurate.

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** hjohnson pats ntpd **

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Weezey:

did the .lircrc hook into mythfrontend change? it used to be prog = mythtv but that doesn't work with 0.21 I know irexec is working because it works with xine just like it did before the upgrade.

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sphery:

benlake: I knew I saw something that said imdbpy.py will import to the database... http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2734#comment:3

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sphery:

Only took me 2 days to remember where...

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benlake:

sphery: awe, I still had that page open, guess we should have looked at the comments :P

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J-e-f-f-A:

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J-e-f-f-A:

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J-e-f-f-A:

eh?

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J-e-f-f-A:

[ummm... that's not good — I didn't type that...]

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mishehu:

what's this 0.21 that I hear being talked about? nothing official seems to be on the webpage, and I don't see a branch for it. is it really pre-0.21?

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janneg:

mishehu: there is no 0.21

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Weezey:

mishehu: yeah

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Weezey:

so, I'm running SVN from a couple of days ago and while running irexec, mythfrontend isn't responding.

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Weezey:

xine responds just fine.

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_mike3:

what a boring night

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Reaspired:

ok I havent figured this out.. I use zap2it, and in guide, its offset in time, is 3hrs behind. I tryed xmltv offset -800 didnt do anything. what to do?

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clever:

2007-02–21 19:27:38.692 NVP::AddAudioData():p3: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!

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clever:

those are making this show hard to watch

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Reaspired:

seems like all the pro, left.. or went to bed

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GrimSleeper:

Is there a place to check drivespace within the frontend?

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Weezey:

I think it's in the info center

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GrimSleeper:

ah ok

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GrimSleeper:

Just wondering if I hook up a usb extrenal drive, what sort of configuring would I have to do?

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Reaspired:

I'd assume all you have to do is set up a mount point and then in mythtv-setup point it to record there its in general

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jd86:

what a pleasant surprise – about 20 mythtranscodes and no mythbackend, with a load avg of 40 on my tvbox

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benlake:

sphery: any idea how to apply that patch file?

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GrimSleeper:

thx Reaspired

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clearzen:

I keep getting these errors when attempting to install the packages for mythtv http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6972/ Does anyone know what I am doing wrong?

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alsoconfused:

clearzen: you probably need to enable some additional package repositories in your sources.lst

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** clever just made a crude mythtv frontend control:) **

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clever:

^query location

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clever[rev]:

mythtv: Playback Recorded 00:21:36 of 01:00:00 1x 1053 2007-02–21T17:00:00

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GrimSleeper:

Anyone here use a joypad to control myth?

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clever:

^query recording 1053 2007-02–21T17:00:00

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clever[rev]:

mythtv: 1053 2007-02–21T17:00:00 Star Trek: Voyager -"Displaced"

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clever:

interface is still raw frontend control socket but i can access it over irc:)

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clearzen:

alsoconfused: you where right. I enabled the additional repos and it worked

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clever:

it also has security so you cant up and delete my shows:P

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livingtm:

My box isnt skipping commercials.. the backend is set up to start commercial flagging when recording starts, and the front end is set up to flag new recordings.

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clever:

try using the home/end keys to manualy skip to a comercial

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clever:

it may give an error or actualy work dependong on the problem

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livingtm:

hmm

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livingtm:

have anything to do with "smart fast forwarding"?

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clever:

dont know what that does

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livingtm:

automatically skip commercials is set to automatically skip.. must not be flagging...

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livingtm:

hm

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clever:

but when im playing back a recording i can hit M(menu) and set what to do when it reaches a commflag marker

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clever:

if you use the END key to skip to the end of the comercials it may give an error saying at end cant skip

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clever:

or not flaged

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clever:

lol:)

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livingtm:

Hey have you ever seen the screen refresh lines when theres lots of motion?

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livingtm:

not like interlacing

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livingtm:

but like redrawing

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clever:

dont think ive seen that

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livingtm:

dont know how else to explain it

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clever:

only when using an extremely slow x11 forwarding between multiple pc's

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livingtm:

hm

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clever:

which is useless for video of any framerate:P

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livingtm:

right

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clever:

i get alot of interlacing artifacts when playing the files back on my laptop

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livingtm:

i definitely can see the redraw

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clever:

which im guessing is progressive:P

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livingtm:

right

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livingtm:

kindof looks like when you see a computer screen on tv.. like on the news or something and you can see the flicker

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livingtm:

it looks like a top to bottom scan

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clever:

ahhh a bit of a black/dark band moving?

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livingtm:

not so much a dark band, but like its redrawing the next frame on top of th eold frame and you can almost catch it drawing

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clever:

how tall is the stripe?

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livingtm:

its not really a stripe

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clever:

if i pause my program and stare at it for a min i can see a line moving upwards

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clever:

i beleive thats 60hz noise getting into my poor composite cables

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livingtm:

doesnt sound like the same thing...im having trouble puttin git into words...

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livingtm:

i wonder if its a screen buffering issue

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clever:

i also saw a similar artifact on one of the recordings when playing it on my laptop

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clever:

which was the noise in the input lines

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clever:

im running the video thru a extremely long audio cable

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clever:

not the best wiring:P

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livingtm:

ah

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livingtm:

hehe

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livingtm:

no this is a 3 foot svideo :-)

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clever:

atleast 3 seperate rca audio cables

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clever:

strung end to end

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livingtm:

hahaha

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clever:

one channel is in and the other is out

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clever:

computer is at 1 end of the room and the tv/cablebox at the other

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livingtm:

ever used the mythphone?

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clever:

i disabled the plugin for it in the plugings package

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clever:

since i dont have a viop to connect it to

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livingtm:

hmm

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mau:

only to find the 1600 in the box

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mau:

basturds

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Isntitknoying:

Hey guys, i have my myth setup running on one 200gb sata hd, I also have a 250gb sata drive installed, but not formatted or partitioned yet. What's the best way to use this space in my myth setup?

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livingtm:

mau no kidding? I bought one less than a week ago and it was a 150!

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livingtm:

Isntitknoying, you want to use both disks?

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livingtm:

I have twin 250's in a RAID

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livingtm:

i havent had any trouble with it, although i havent really put it through the ringer

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Isntitknoying:

Yeah, one way or another. i was thinking it could just use it to archive to or something like that, been reading about LVM and i'm not sure that's the best bet or not

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Isntitknoying:

I don't know that much about raid in linux(or anything else really :))

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clever:

a few new version of myth supports something called storage groups

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clever:

which lets it use multiple drives without having to raid or lvm them into 1

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Isntitknoying:

that sounds brilliant

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** mishehu hopes installing today's svn of 0.20-fixes fixes his ivtv issue... **

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** clever updates his svn to the bleeding edge of the latest code:P **

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mishehu:

you know why it's called "the bleeding edge" right?

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mishehu:

it has to cut something...

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mishehu:

namely you...

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clever:

:P

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clever:

yeah it may have the newest bugs

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clever:

which havent been found yet

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livingtm:

I havent run into trouble with the striped raid yet, but who knows long term

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livingtm:

any of you guys have experience with trying to get the HD to spin down when not in use? i hear thats a trick with linux

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clever:

and can you add/remove/replace parts of the array without loosing data?

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livingtm:

not in a striped raid

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mishehu:

livingtm: I'd sure as hell not put anything I was afraid to lose on it...

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mishehu:

on a raid0

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livingtm:

right

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clever:

lvm i beleive can allow discs to be added and removed

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livingtm:

thats the same as an LVM isnt it?

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Isntitknoying:

when do you think that storage groups will make it mainstream?

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clever:

and with ata over ethernet you can use a drive in a remote box

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mishehu:

lvm is basically a layer above

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clever:

1 person stuck a new drive in a second box and made it part of the array over the network

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mishehu:

I bet you can have an lvm group of two different raid arrays...

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clever:

then emptyed out the failing drive

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clever:

thru the network

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livingtm:

what happends to an LVM if a drive dies? is the other drive still good?

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livingtm:

theres always raid 0–1

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clever:

then he was able to move the networked drive into the case

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livingtm:

mirrored striped pairs

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mishehu:

isn't lvm just a "container" ? that's what my understanding has always been.

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livingtm:

i havent used LVMS dont really know

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clever:

my system supports lvm but i havent touched it

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livingtm:

i want my drives to spin down when they arent in use.. help prolong some of these problems

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livingtm:

havent figured out how yet

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clever:

man hdparm

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livingtm:

if a mythbox is on 24/7 but is only recording or viewing a few hours a day, no sense in beating on the drives

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livingtm:

clever, theres more to it then that with a journaling system isnt there?

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clever:

not shure

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clever:

but ive played with hdparm -Y

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clever:

which forces the harddrive to sleep NOW

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clever:

problem i have is that 99% of the time it wakes up within 30 seconds

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livingtm:

yeah because the hournalling filesystem writes every 5 seconds or so :-)

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clever:

but my box isnt exactly idle

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livingtm:

journalling

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livingtm:

even when its idle

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clever:

might work on a non journal drive

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livingtm:

from what i understand anyhow (which is honestly very little)

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livingtm:

truedat

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livingtm:

myth kicks some serious but.. the more i use it the more i love it :-)

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clever:

my dad refuses to even try to use it

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clever:

claiming simple is better

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clever:

^query location

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clever[rev]:

mythtv: PlaybackBox

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clever:

^play program 1045 2007-02–21T08:00:00

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clever[rev]:

mythtv: OK

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clever:

its noice to be insanely lazy:P

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clever:

not even rolling over for the keyboard to control mythtv

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mishehu:

btw, I think it might be hdparm's -b param that indicates it's sleep timeout

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clever:

that looks like get/set bus state

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livingtm:

mishehu, whats the filesystems journal write timeout?

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livingtm:

i think ext3 default to 5 seconds or something

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livingtm:

lookint at my system monitor, theres a little blip every 5 sec even when the machine is pretty damn idle

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clever:

i think its -S

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mishehu:

I don't know much abotu ext3. I stopped using it when I realized it was a bandaid over a wound

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clever:

lol

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mishehu:

a wound that at least needed "second skin"

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clever:

:P

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clever:

im helping a n00b program

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clever:

he has the true and false condition code both under the else section

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clever:

and he doesnt even notice it:P

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clever:

if the arg given to the function it invalid it will report and error and use it

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clever:

if its valid it wont to crap:P

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mishehu:

clever: if (foo) { } else if(!foo) { } makes sense ;-)

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mishehu:

what's 4 ticks anyway? *grin*

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clever[rev]:

this guy did it like this

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clever[rev]:

if (foo) {} else {report error and use data like its valid}

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mishehu:

ah, that's dumb

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mishehu:

heh

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clever[rev]:

yeah:P

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clever[rev]:

he also had it like this for 5mins

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clever[rev]:

if (foo) { else {report error and use data } }

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lose_the_grim:

Anybody using the harmony 659? Not sure how to configure lirc

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mishehu:

harmony doesn't do melody to my percussive checkbook.

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lose_the_grim:

=)

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** clever[rev] points mishehu towards the pm **

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Isntitknoying:

exit

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clever[rev]:

oops

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clever[rev]:

not registered here

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clever[rev]:

cant pm mishehu:P

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clever:

this me can pm though

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mishehu:

man that's hard to read there

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mishehu:

pastebin would be so much easier heh

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clever:

lol

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clever:

cant paste to firefox:P

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mishehu:

brb, need to see if I can use mythtv now...

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clever:

xterm cant copy to firefox's clipboard

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clever:

^query location

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clever[rev]:

mythtv: Playback Recorded 00:22:25 of 01:00:24 1x 1045 2007-02–21T08:00:00

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livingtm:

/etc/laptop-mode/laptop-mode.conf <-- there we go

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mishehu:

there we go, works now

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mishehu:

clever: what language was that? looks like a script to me of some sort.

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mishehu:

and that's bad code. heh.

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clever[rev]:

mirc script

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clever[rev]:

and its a crappy language

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clever:

^query location

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clever[rev]:

mythtv: Playback Recorded 00:27:33 of 01:00:24 1x 1045 2007-02–21T08:00:00

[03:33:55]

clever:

thats powers by mirc script

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clever[rev]:

43 lines of code to let me control mythtv thru irc with hostmask controls

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clever:

you shouldnt be able to control mythtv but i can

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mishehu:

mirc == "man, it's really crappy"

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mishehu:

heh

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clever:

lol:P

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opello:

lol

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mishehu:

I wanted to set up a module or something for freeswitch to interface with mythtv

[03:35:35]

mishehu:

but I've not had time to do any work on it at all.

[03:36:14]

clever:

ive been thinking of a mythweb module for controling the frontend

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AdamKili:

hey I just got done presenting MythTV at this hobby night, It went really well

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clever:

so i can pick a show on mythweb and click play

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clever:

and it pop up on the tv instantly

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clever:

^key p

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clever[rev]:

mythtv: OK

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AdamKili:

I was supprised. I used a projector, instead of my regular CRT TV and the picture looked much better. I think I may need to buy a projector

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clever:

lol

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clever:

im using an old nvidia board with tvout

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clever:

and a large tv at the end of extremely leaky audio cables being used as composite cables

[03:38:42]

clever:

when paused i can see a 60hz line moving up the screen

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clever:

and i think im also getting 60hz in my recordings

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AdamKili:

clever: I use an nvidia to! I can't figure out how to output to both a regular TV and a computer monitor at the same time. you don't know how do you?

[03:39:54]

clever:

it took me a few days but i got it doing dual output now

[03:40:02]

clever:

so :0.1 is the tv

[03:40:05]

clever:

and :0.0 is the computer

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clever:

but mythtv only responds to the keyboard if i put the mouse over on the :0.1 moniter

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clever:

if i redid it and wanted to use :0.0 for other stuff id make it fully seperate

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clever:

:0 and :1

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AdamKili:

could you maybe paste-bin me the config file settings you use? or maybe the site you may have found that tells you how?

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** clever[rev] looks for the paste of my xorg.conf **

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clever[rev]:

its allready pasted somewhere

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clever:

in xorg you have a driver claus

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clever:

which names a driver and gives it a name internaly

[03:41:59]

clever:

it can also name a certain card/output

[03:42:23]

clever:

if neither are given it defaults to the first output on the first card

[03:42:31]

clever:

giving you a single display system

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clever:

if you copy it and add a screen option to both

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clever:

you can force one copy to the first screen and the other to the 2nd screen

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AdamKili:

ok. i think i follow

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clever:

and if you have multiple cards youll probly also need the busid options

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clever:

to force each driver to a certain card

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clever:

then theres a moniter section

[03:43:48]

clever:

which defines each moniter

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clever:

i think you need one for each driver section

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AdamKili:

it's just one card that has S-video and VGA out.

[03:44:07]

clever:

then theres a screen section which pairs up drivers and moniters

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clever[rev]:

at the top of my xorg.conf is a serverlayout

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clever[rev]:

which names all the inputs and outputs

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clever[rev]:

Screen "Default Screen" 0 0

[03:45:03]

clever[rev]:

Screen "2nd Screen" rightof "Default Screen"

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hjohnson:

ok... I think I figured out why my front-end isn't doinv video

[03:45:18]

hjohnson:

it's trying to connect to the backend server on 127.0.0.1 which is bogus

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clever[rev]:

adds "2nd screen" to the right of the default screen

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clever[rev]:

AdamKili: http://clever.mine.nu:82/paste/xorg.conf.2 has the full config file

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AdamKili:

ok thanks for the help. I have to get off the computer now unfortunatly though. see you. cleaver{rev} I'll look at that

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hjohnson:

could not connect

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AdamKili:

thanks clever{rev} and clever

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clever[rev]:

where the same person:P

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hjohnson:

"failed to open remote file" at 127.0.0.1, which obviously isn't remote

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hjohnson:

anyone have thoughts?

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clever:

i think it only trys to open remotely if its not found localy

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hjohnson:

clever: given that this is a front-end with no local storage, it's trying to hit the wrong ip address.

[03:53:11]

hjohnson:

for some reason the local frontend is trying to hit itself ratehr than the remote backend

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clever[rev]:

whats the backend ip set to in mythtv-setup

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hjohnson:

10.0.0.2

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clever[rev]:

look thru mythtv-setup for any 127's

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monkeyBox:

Anyone have an intel 945GM card? Any idea how to enable XvMC on it?

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cheatersrealm:

is there a menu setting to turn on commercial auto-skip by default?

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hjohnson:

woot got it working..

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hjohnson:

that was it

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hjohnson:

now audio isn't wokring

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hjohnson:

but I can watch tv. :D

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hjohnson:

is there any setting in myth that will auto de-interlace things? the interlacing is very evident

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monkeyBox:

hjohnson, yes there's a de-interlacing setting

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monkeyBox:

cheatersrealm, yes there's an auto-skip setting

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monkeyBox:

:-P

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shodan-:

cheatersrealm, utilities -> setup -> tv settings -> playback 7th page for commercial auto skip , 1st page for de-interlacing

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hjohnson:

shodan-: thanks

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shodan-:

is there a way to tell mythweb that when I click a show in recorded programs, it opens the files locally , for example my show is r:myshow.nuv, in global default I set Video url to file://r:/ and when I go to recorded program the url is file://r:/myshow.nuv but when I click it nothing happens !? (running firefox on windows)

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tank-man:

shodan-, no

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tank-man:

setup a samba share

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monkeyBox:

well, I figured out my blue-screen problem by updating my i810 drivers... Now I'm just back to my initial jittery video problem

[04:20:05]

shodan-:

in windows, I can open explorer, go to r: and click my nuv files and they play in media player classic

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monkeyBox:

Last time I talked to GreyFoxx it seemed he was having similar issues...

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** monkeyBox considers trying svn... **

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cheatersrealm:

monkeyBox, shodan- : thanks

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cheatersrealm:

I have a 2.6ghz celeron, can that handle commercial auto-detection for two hardware encoded inputs at the same time?

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cheatersrealm:

(in realtime)

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tank-man:

try it

[04:23:07]

cheatersrealm:

what happens if it can't keep up?

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cheatersrealm:

does the tv show lose priority, or the commercial auto-detection?

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clever:

the commflaging may be marking comercials from 5mins ago

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clever:

the commflaging automaticaly gets reniced to a lower cpu prio

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cheatersrealm:

ok, cool

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clever:

but with my system the io just cant handle the loads of play+record+transcode/flag

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clever:

on 1.6ghz

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shodan-:

cheatersrealm, I have two dvb cards on one athlonxp 2400 box , I run both auto transcode and commercial flagging on the same box and it works great

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cheatersrealm:

I don't transcode until later

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clever:

the io blocking from other stuff causes the recording+encode from a framegrabber to be corupt

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clever:

crappy input card:P

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cheatersrealm:

:)

[04:24:44]

** monkeyBox would be golden if he could solve his "stuttering video" issue... **

[04:26:31]

cheatersrealm:

I wish mythtv had less menus

[04:26:40]

cheatersrealm:

but unfortunately, I don't see a way to trim them down easily

[04:26:44]

tank-man:

yea

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hjohnson:

ok, that's pretty cool

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cheatersrealm:

mythtv is a really really complex piece of software

[04:27:20]

hjohnson:

so now the question is.. why isn't audio working

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tank-man:

plug in the wires, red goes to red, white to white

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hjohnson:

internal audio on this laptop

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hjohnson:

810 loaded.

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tank-man:

i tought all intell stuff worked pretty good in linux

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hjohnson:

it's odd.

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hjohnson:

it might just be that the volume is turned down all the way?

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** hjohnson fetches some headphones **

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computron:

Well i just figured out how to build an SVIDEO to Composite cable so we will see how it works

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Dr_willis:

i got a few of those adaptors..

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Dr_willis:

aint much to them is there..

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computron:

yea simple is not the word

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computron:

after i realised that i set up the pinouts for a male end insteda of a female end now its all good

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hjohnson:

heh

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hjohnson:

this is so close to working it's frustrating

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computron:

Dr_willis what kind of capacitor did you use?

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Dr_willis:

i dident build any.. i just some how managed to collect a few of those adaptors.. they just look so tiny.. :) so there diswnt seem to be much in them

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Dr_willis:

im not even sure where they are.. i need to put one in my laptop bag

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computron:

1 470 uf capacitor

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computron:

and 4 peices of wire

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computron:

i have gotten into using Cat5 shielded for everything

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Dr_willis:

heh.. i had to rin some network cables today.

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Dr_willis:

wife keeps moveing her pc. i have to rerun wires.

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computron:

Dr_willis go wireless

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Dr_willis:

No... S($*@#&*@ wireless

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Dr_willis:

thats one of the reasons i run wire.. wireless dont work for *@#&*@ for me.

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Dr_willis:

:)

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livingtm:

Do commercials get flagged for liveTV?

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Dr_willis:

livingtm, i dont think so. the delay/recorded ahead time is just a few secs I thought

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livingtm:

i was thinking hit pause... wait a few... unpause.....

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livingtm:

rather than havin to hit record and add it to the library...

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Dr_willis:

to be honest.. i rarely ever watch live tv any more. :)

[04:48:48]

livingtm:

hehe yeah i see it going hat way

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livingtm:

that

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livingtm:

its addictive

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Dr_willis:

i recoerd my cartoons.. and watch them when i get home.

[04:49:20]

Dr_willis:

catch up on the weekends.

[04:49:26]

clever:

^query location

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clever[rev]:

mythtv: Playback Recorded 00:31:49 of 01:00:01 1x 1053 2007-02–21T00:00:00

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clever:

^query recording 1053 2007-02–21T00:00:00

[04:49:41]

clever[rev]:

mythtv: 1053 2007-02–21T00:00:00 Star Trek: Voyager -"Distant Origin"

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livingtm:

clever, WTF is that?

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clever:

thats what mythfrontend is running atm:)

[04:50:03]

clever:

its piping control of the frontend to irc

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livingtm:

WHO'S frontend and WHY?

[04:50:15]

clever:

my frontend

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livingtm:

"Because I can"

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clever:

and so i can pause or change program without even reaching 6 inches to my left for the 2nd keyboard:P

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livingtm:

meanwhile we get the spam?

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livingtm:

:-)

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clever:

atleast i didnt query recordings:P

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clever:

that takes 2–3mins to list all shows

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** clever knows enough to not ^query recordings **

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clever:

in here

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** clever waits for some n00b to try to query my frontend:P **

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opello:

^query your frontend

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opello:

drat!

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clever:

:P

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clever:

hostmask limits

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clever:

nick must contain clever and you must be on my isp

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opello:

your not as clever as your nick would suggest :p

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opello:

ha ha! punny! get it!

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opello:

oh i slay myself

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clever:

:P

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hjohnson:

well, I had it almost working

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clever:

try it again...:P

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opello:

his nick obviously doesn't have clever in it, that's clearly the problem :)

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clever:

:P

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clever:

i added code so it will react diff if you lack access

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clever:

instead of just plain ignoring you

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livingtm is now known as notso_clever

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notso_clever:

^query worthwhile

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opello:

the fact that your triggers are public is kind of annoying though, don't you think

[04:55:42]

** clever[rev] stabs notso_clever for lacking access to my bot **

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notso_clever:

YES

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opello:

so ...

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notso_clever is now known as livingtm

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clever:

it also looks at your ISP so changing your nick alone wont help

[04:56:20]

clever:

you need to either move to my province

[04:56:26]

clever:

find a proxy in my province

[04:56:27]

opello:

what about cloaks?

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clever:

or be an ircop of freenode and change your hostmask

[04:56:41]

clever:

cloaks probly wont let you get a mask matching mine

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opello:

specifically, if you are cloaked

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clever:

i dont cloak myself yet

[04:57:02]

clever:

but i can add the cloak later if i do

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opello:

right, but is it as simple as say adding an item to an array?

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

its just a list of masks in a window in mirc

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opello:

(i don't use mirc)

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clever[rev]:

here is a mask from another irc network

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clever[rev]:

mythtv:*clever*!~clever@laptop.clever.mine.nu

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Nem^1 is now known as Nem^

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opello:

but yeah, fun ... stuff like that is generally forgotten

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clever:

that lets me trigger any event like 'on mythtv:text:...:#:{'

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clever:

and it silently skips those if i dont match its mask

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hjohnson:

wow, I broke mythtv

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hjohnson:

20:58:07 up 68 days, 4:10, 7 users, load average: 1.08, 1.11, 1.09

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clever:

and i can have multiple lines for that 'access level'

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hjohnson:

it won't let anything connect any more

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clever:

mythtv:*!*@*

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clever:

would be unsafe:P

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hjohnson:

and I didn't do anything to the server

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clever:

hjohnson: my backend segfaults randomly every now and then

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clever:

its been stable over the last few days

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opello:

clever: so make a website already and promote it on the mailing list :)

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clever:

but just trying to load up livetv in a rush while its still loading can cause it to segfault

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clever:

opello: website that does?:P

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opello:

"i can have multiple lines for access control" "zomg cool" "wow try it now" "download here"

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clever:

lol

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opello:

basically all the things you've been saying, but so i don't have to read them :) heh

[05:01:57]

clever:

its basic mirc scripting

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clever:

and the language itself is crappy overall

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hjohnson:

it's running but nothing can connect to it

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opello:

clever: exactly! so why gooshing over it, heh

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clever:

hjohnson: have you tryed restarting the backend?

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hjohnson:

yeah, now it can't bind to the port since the original zombified

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

kill the originals parrent

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clever:

it will become one of init's children and init will cleanup after it

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clever:

thats one of the main ways of getting rid of zombies when the parrent wont clean them up

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hjohnson:

I did.

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hjohnson:

it's still there.

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** clever looks to see how to fetch ppid **

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hjohnson:

i had manually started it from a terminal in a screen session

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opello:

ps -ef has it

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clever:

ahh:)

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opello:

but i thought zombies wouldn't get cleaned up?

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clever:

hjohnson: use ps -ef and look at the ppid of the zombie

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clever:

zombies can only be cleaned up by the parrent

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opello:

"parent"

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clever:

by running i think wait()

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opello:

please.

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clever:

if you kill the parrent

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clever:

it gets owned by init(1)

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opello:

clever: one 'r'

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clever:

which automaticaly cleans up after its children

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clever:

k

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clever:

clever 17751 17746 0 01:05 pts/12 00:00:00 [vncviewer] <defunct>

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clever:

those start to pile up when i use linux vnc viewer in listen mode

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clever:

and if i kill the parent(17746) they should go away

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clever:

yep:)

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clever:

^key enter

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clever[rev]:

mythtv: OK

[05:10:28]

clever:

^key escape

[05:10:29]

clever[rev]:

mythtv: OK

[05:10:30]

clever:

^key escape

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hjohnson:

it didn't go away, now its parent is init.

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clever[rev]:

mythtv: OK

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clever:

try killing it again with -9

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hjohnson:

no dice

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hjohnson:

looks like I might have to reboot, damnit

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clever:

paste its line from ps aux

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hjohnson:

root 30233 0.4 0.0 0 0 ? Zl Feb20 5:55 [mythbackend] <defunct>

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hjohnson:

hans 32656 0.0 0.1 7108 1312 ? Ss 21:10 0:00 /bin/sh -c ps aux | grep mythbackend

[05:11:51]

hjohnson:

hans 32658 0.0 0.0 3040 656 ? S 21:10 0:00 grep mythbackend

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hjohnson:

well, that was more than I meant to paste. :P

[05:13:29]

hjohnson:

i've kill -9'd it.

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hjohnson:

it's hossered

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clever:

irc just sprung back to life:P

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Honk:

http://honk.ath.cx/files/noise.mpg <-- is this just noise from a bad frequency setting?

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Honk:

it looks odd imho (stripes in the upper and lower part of the image, but none in the middle)

[05:25:09]

hjohnson:

it looks like there's some bogusness related to the front-end dropping off.

[05:25:26]

hjohnson:

since if I run netstat there are a bunch of connections that are showed as "CLOSE_WAIT" but aren't.

[05:25:35]

hjohnson:

since hte machine tha twas running the frontend isn't booted rightnow.

[05:26:04]

clever:

ARG

[05:26:09]

clever:

spent 2 hours making a .iso

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clever:

then i find out cdrecord

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clever:

is for burning cd's:P

[05:26:26]

clever:

i need dvdrecord...

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clever:

5mins later

[05:26:30]

clever:

ARG

[05:26:35]

clever:

iso too big for disk:P

[05:26:53]

clever:

2 hours to remake the iso...

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Honk:

what kind of image are you trying to make?

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clever:

data dvd

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clever:

acording to du -h the folder was 4.6gig

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clever:

but was that in 1024mb gig's or 1000mb gig's?:P

[05:28:12]

clever:

and is the 4.7gig lable on the disk in 1024's or 1000's:P

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clever:

ahh

[05:28:39]

clever:

`calc 4700/1024

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clever[rev]:

4700/1024 == 4.589844

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clever:

so its more like 4.5gig

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clever:

i like doing things thru the command line:P

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Honk:

<clever> 2 hours to remake the iso...

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Honk:

yah, sounds fun

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clever:

thats because of where the files are

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Honk:

yeah right :P

[05:29:28]

clever:

k3b would take 2 hours to read 4gig off a usb drive:P

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Honk:

well.. you'd copy 'em to hd first, wouldnt you? =)

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Honk:

aaand: get usb2

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clever:

7.6gig on the root drive

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Honk:

that's more than enough for 5gb of data :P

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clever:

if i copy them in i break the 3gig free limit and mythtv starts expiring shows on me

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Honk:

lol

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clever:

then i need another 4gig totaling 8 for the resulting iso:P

[05:30:39]

Honk:

i thought you wanted to burn a dvd?

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Honk:

why bother creating an iso first?

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clever:

then i'll loose 4gig worth of shows

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Dr_willis:

thats like 2 shows...

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Dr_willis:

:)

[05:31:04]

clever:

4–5 shows at my bitrate

[05:31:15]

clever:

about 700mb for an hour

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Dr_willis:

in the time it takes to record them to dvd.. you could watch them.. twice...

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Honk:

mhh.. i almost feel like repeating my question =)

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Dr_willis:

:)

[05:31:44]

clever:

and what if im saving them to show to some1 else:P

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Honk:

http://honk.ath.cx/files/noise.mpg <-- is this just noise from a bad frequency setting? it looks odd imho (stripes in the upper and lower part of the image, but none in the middle)

[05:31:50]

Honk:

evul meh :]

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clever:

who will be back tomorow

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Honk:

then delete some other show manually?

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Honk:

7.6–4.589844 is still more than 3 though :P

[05:32:58]

clever:

:P

[05:33:24]

clever:

id still need 2 hours to copy it off the usb drive and to the internal drive

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Dr_willis:

Hmm... "Fosters Home for Imiaginary Friends" has to be one of the Better Cartoons ive seen. :)

[05:34:42]

clever:

ive seen the odd episode of it

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clever:

when nothing else was on

[05:34:55]

clever:

and i was too lazy to change the channel

[05:35:05]

clever:

but now that i have mythtv i can rewatch other stuff:P

[05:35:54]

Dr_willis:

There was a Character called "Euro Trish" ( a play on Euro Trash) heh heh

[05:36:01]

clever:

lol

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Dr_willis:

lots of gags in the show like that...

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clever:

you would be surprised at the adult topics ive found in children shows

[05:36:48]

Dr_willis:

Just now one guy said "Franky Says Relax do just do it...." and started humming...

[05:36:53]

Dr_willis:

heh.

[05:36:54]

clever:

i used to watch rocos modern life ages ago

[05:37:00]

Dr_willis:

Thats another good show..

[05:37:01]

clever:

i just looked it up on wikipedia last month

[05:37:08]

clever:

loading with adult content

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Dr_willis:

Camp Lazlo seems the same style/drawing. but isent as interesting.

[05:37:39]

clever:

im surprised that much adult content hasnt effected me:P

[05:37:43]

clever:

or maybe it has....

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Dr_willis:

Thing about Fosters Home.. is at leas ya can watch it with all the kids and not worry about the seeing the wrong things.. :)

[05:38:19]

Dr_willis:

therss sooo few shows on like that ehse days

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clever:

one scene it was talking about had a photo shoot and you only saw the weamon from the knees down

[05:38:28]

clever:

then as they left the trailer a rabit was following them

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clever:

the playboy bunny...

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Dr_willis:

heh.

[05:38:50]

clever:

yet at 4 years old you woudlnt notice that:P

[05:39:32]

Dr_willis:

"Growing Up Creepie" is a interesting cartoon also.. but not quite as well done as many others.

[05:40:09]

Dr_willis:

"The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy" is.... interesting also...

[05:40:22]

Dr_willis:

and Creepy. :)

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clever:

heard of earthworm jim?

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Dr_willis:

Ed, Edd, and Eddy.. is downright bizzare....

[05:40:48]

Dr_willis:

Heh aint seen Earthworm jim in ages

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clever:

same here:P

[05:40:57]

Dr_willis:

Been watching "The Tick" :)

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Dr_willis:

Live series even.

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clever:

yet i found a game for earthworm jim in the 'empty' 80gig drive my dad got me to fix my server

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clever:

snes rom

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Dr_willis:

heh heh.. yep i had a Earthworm Jim game or 2 also.

[05:42:10]

Dr_willis:

always the same tired old Platformer games...

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clever:

that 'empty' 80gig drive had 20gig worth of data on it

[05:42:39]

Dr_willis:

Best Platformer game i played lately was that Duke Nukem – Manhattan Project.

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clever:

i have duke nuken 3d

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clever:

source code:P

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clever:

which acording to the files could compile into a native linux binary

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Dr_willis:

heh... and may even work...

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clever:

or a native windows binary

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clever:

it uses sdl

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Dr_willis:

I dont even knwo where my Duke Nukem game disk is...

[05:43:38]

clever:

and i have yet to get it to compile:P

[05:43:49]

clever:

also they can release the source

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Dr_willis:

sdl? hmm that game came out like.... ages ago...

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clever:

but not the maps

[05:44:03]

clever:

so you need to copy them from the dos install

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Dr_willis:

Quake 1 ages ago.. :)

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clever:

SDL is used by other emulators in linux

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clever:

mplayer also support SDL

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Dr_willis:

Duke Nukem was one of the first games i rember actally paying for full price. :)

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Dr_willis:

for the PC.

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clever:

lol

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clever:

my dad has said stuff about duke nukem

[05:45:11]

clever:

how we got it for its powerfull graphics:P

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Dr_willis:

I rember the Quake Vs Duke Nukem arguments...

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Dr_willis:

but where is Duke now.....

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clever:

now that we look back at those 'powerfull graphics'

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Dr_willis:

heh

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clever:

i made my own 3d rendering program in qbasic

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clever:

which had a better resolution then duke nuken:P

[05:45:57]

clever:

didnt use 10x10 pixels:P

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Dr_willis:

yep.

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clever:

!age

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clever[rev]:

I am 19.923306 years old. (I'll be 20 in 4wks 14mins 46secs.)

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Dr_willis:

Ok.. heres a *#&*@*@ odd comercial..

[05:46:40]

Dr_willis:

Its a Barbie Doll.. with some sort of Barbie Doll Game.. (the doll has wings) that you wave around and controll the game...

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clever:

lol

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hjohnson:

grr.. how to kill this process

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clever:

try attaching to it with strace

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clever:

strace -p30233

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Dr_willis:

Girl Toy commercial, Suggery Cerel Comercial, then boy toys comercial...

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hjohnson:

.. grabs the strace package

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hjohnson:

operation not permitted

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clever:

run as root

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hjohnson:

i did

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Dr_willis:

heh.. they are making fun of "Dora the Explorr" now on fosters home...

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clever:

hjohnson: checking the man page...

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hjohnson:

there's gotta be a way to destroy this process

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hjohnson:

it's got these ports connected as shown by netstat

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hjohnson:

the easy way would be to just reboot

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clever:

dont give in to the winblows way

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clever:

fix it without rebooting:P

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hjohnson:

exactly

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daMaestro:

so, what is normally used for video playback on a mythbox?

[05:50:58]

Dr_willis:

unless its a zombie process

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hjohnson:

21:49:57 up 68 days, 5:02, 5 users, load average: 1.50, 1.47, 1.34

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daMaestro:

a gpu that has tv out?

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Dr_willis:

then you ahve to toss holy water onit.

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hjohnson:

Dr_willis: it is zombified

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Dr_willis:

Egads! Call the Priest!

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hjohnson:

root 30233 0.3 0.0 0 0 ? Zl Feb20 5:55 [mythbackend] <defunct>

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Dr_willis:

i think you may have to reboot then.

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clever:

:(

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hjohnson:

screw it, i'm rebooting...

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daMaestro:

you can't kill -9 zombieID ?

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hjohnson:

no it's a zombie

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clever:

mkisofs will finish at 00:98

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clever:

00:58 *

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Dr_willis:

Heh,, The toons are selling stuff on "SchmeBay Auctions"

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clever:

i was getting something from ebay

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clever:

and my dad won the auction

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clever:

and he was going to pay wiht my paypal act

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clever:

wait after the currency conversion

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clever:

where 50 cents short:P

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clever:

and it takes 6–8 businuss days to transfer more from the bank

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Dr_willis:

seems odd that it takes that long to do stuff.. but the banks can get Their charges TO your accounts done almost instantly.. :)

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clever:

canadian bank>paypal

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daMaestro:

ouch

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daMaestro:

ACH?

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Dr_willis:

night all

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clever:

ive payed a online game before when paypal was low

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clever:

and i had to wait for the transfer before it got sent to the game

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hjohnson:

ok, rebooted

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hjohnson:

hmm...

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clever:

but it automaticaly queued a transfer and informed the game's paypal act that a transaction was starting

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clever:

might be alsa based

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clever:

ALSA:default

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hjohnson:

i've loaded

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hjohnson:

snd snd_core, and ac97

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clever:

what about snd_pcm_oss?

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hjohnson:

still no entries in /dev

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hjohnson:

looks like knoppmyth doesn't have a functional udevd?

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hjohnson:

ok.. why isn't udev starting

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** hjohnson grumbles **

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shodan-:

192are there any hd-capable capture card that have component inputs ?

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xris:

shodan-: not in the consumer market

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xris:

not sure why you'd want one, anyway. digital -> analog -> digital is somewhat silly

[06:42:14]

xris:

shodan-: or you could just autotranscode within mythtv, or not transcode and just output at 800x600

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shodan-:

hmm nvm .. without a hdtv capture card with component input I can't downscale the 720p output of my xbox into 800x600 for my projector

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xris:

huh?

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xris:

oh. no digital out from the xbox?

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shodan-:

not that I know of, the old one that is

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xris:

you wouldn't be able to use it for playing games, anyway. the encoding-time lag would kill you

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shodan-:

I think the best is SCART and next is component

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shodan-:

xris, it's not for games, it's for xbmc, I watch movies and listen to music with it

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xris:

ah.

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xris:

I must have been confused by the channel we're in, then. thought it had something to do with mythtv.

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shodan-:

but I was thinking, if there was such a thing as a capture card with component output maybe I could use something like xawtv to display it in real time

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xris:

you mean input

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shodan-:

oops, yes

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xris:

and no, there's not. analog HD is silly.

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xris:

for capture, anyway

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xris:

there are a few professional grade ones, but you'd spend less money on a brand new core2 quad server.

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shodan-:

it's the only way I could think of to make a direct 720p to 800x600 scaler

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shodan-:

yeah, in both case I could just upgrade my projector

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xris:

does the xbox actually export 720p?

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xris:

I thought all of the first-gen consoles were limited to SD

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recurs|ve:

an anyone explain to me what timing means on ram?Â i understand how cas latency and the speed the ram is operating at works together to process a certain number of bits, but de not know what the a-b-c-d timing numbers mean

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shodan-:

yes it can, at least 720p, I don't know if it'll play games at 720p but xbmc works at 720p

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shodan-:

recurs|ve, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SDRAM_latency

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recurs|ve:

shodan-: thanks got it

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xris:

shodan-: you may just have to live with 480p upsized to 800x600

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defaultro:

hey folks, what tool should I use to convert the hd recording to dvd format? I tried ffmpeg and it stops on a certain frame

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onewheelskyward:

recurs|ve: There are a bunch of good FAQ's out there for that.

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recurs|ve:

onewheelskyward: got it

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hjohnson:

odd.. ivtv driver has stopped responding

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onewheelskyward:

I've had that happen...a cold boot fixed my problem. I think I was getting DMA errors, too.

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hjohnson:

this was firmware stuff

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hjohnson:

I wonder if I should go to the latest

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hjohnson:

oh well, hard power cycle here I come.

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hjohnson:

*sigh*

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jasta:

yawn

[08:06:08]

hjohnson:

hey, where to report a bug?

[08:07:26]

tank-man:

for ivtv?

[08:07:49]

hjohnson:

actually myth... it's not handling times very well.

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tank-man:

what about the times?

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hjohnson:

maybe it's already been reported... my backend lives on a machine with its RTC set to GMT, and the timezone set correctly.

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JohnnyST:

hi

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hjohnson:

the front-end is running on a machine with its RTC set to local time, but the time zone set to GMT... and the times are screwed up in the display

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JohnnyST:

The last svn gives this error when I try to playback HD content NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!

[08:09:15]

hjohnson:

unless there's some other way to handle the date and time.

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tank-man:

hjohnson, look in the frontend settings, maybe there is a time offset option

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JohnnyST:

I tried ALSA and oss same thing.

[08:09:49]

hjohnson:

tank-man: it should just pull it from the locales or what hav eyou.

[08:09:54]

hjohnson:

what the environment variable is set to.

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JohnnyST:

The problem happens when I try to froward in the movie.

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hjohnson:

ok, streaming live tv to my laptop via wifi is cool

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defaultro:

hey folks, I read an article that there is no hope for cablecard in linux since the machine has to be certified or has to comply to a rule. Is it true?

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hjohnson:

defaultro: probably

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defaultro:

ouch :9

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hjohnson:

I doubt we'll ever see it.

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defaultro:

:(

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defaultro:

only mac and win folks then

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defaultro:

:( ....

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hjohnson:

even macos is probably limited

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defaultro:

i read somewhere that they will be working with cablecard companies

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hjohnson:

os x is probably the way in though, I'll wager...

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hjohnson:

if it happens, given the relatively open nature of the APIs in OS X>

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defaultro:

yeah, OS X i mean

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hjohnson:

hmm.. I need to improve the cable run to my computer, the video quality has marching 45 degree angled lines

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clever[rev]:

lol

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hjohnson:

it's when you watch it up close and personal on a laptop that you realize how much ntsc tv sucks

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clever[rev]:

lol

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clever[rev]:

when i get up close to my tv

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hjohnson:

don't get so close to your tv, :P

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clever[rev]:

:P

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t0ny-p40:

I got a weird bug... When editing I turn go to 1 frame and it goes forwards even if I hit the left button...

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t0ny-p40:

and 0.5 seconds does nothing

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Dagmar:

On the subject of cablecards, it would be more likely that they won't work under Linux becuase we'll have to guess at the API

[10:03:46]

Dagmar:

The *point* of cablecards is for them to force cable companies to loosen their deathgrip on the application of PVR and TV technology

[10:04:00]

Dagmar:

They're not going to be allowed to pull some DMCA-style CSS nonsense

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Ruleke:

aren't cablecards like CAM ?

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** Ruleke not in US **

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t0ny-p40:

I hope some one like that dvd-john guy will crack it :)

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t0ny-p40:

Its not like the Linux people all want a cablecard for evil stuff like uploading shows to the net

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juski:

mornin

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Dagmar:

t0ny-p40: Do some research already

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Dagmar:

The thing cablecards *do* is handle the decryption

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Dagmar:

They are *exactly* what you say you're wanting

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Ruleke:

Why can't one just use a DVB card with is cablecard "capable"... not looked into it but I thought cablecard was just a commercial name for some type of CAM :-/

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Dagmar:

The utility they serve is that they handle the decryption of content you've paid for

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Dagmar:

There is no need to "crack" them

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Ruleke:

It's what I use... a harware CAM to hold my cable company smartcard

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Ruleke:

hardware rather

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juski:

if you don't like your cableco's restrictive practises, go elsewhere :-P

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t0ny-p40:

juski, like where?

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juski:

that's the catch

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t0ny-p40:

lol

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t0ny-p40:

:)

[10:18:30]

t0ny-p40:

Damn, I cant even get mine to call back about getting a box with firewire

[10:19:03]

t0ny-p40:

I'm paying $100 a month and they treat me like shit

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juski:

remind them they're legally obliged

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juski:

and don't put up with being treated like that

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juski:

companies only give customers the doormat treatment because they think they'll get away with it

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t0ny-p40:

I thought it was funny

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juski:

look in the wiki, download a copy opf the fcc mandate, wave it in their pompous faces at the local office

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juski:

then moan that the channels you actually pay money for still aren't available over the firewire port :-P

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t0ny-p40:

I told him about he fcc and then he talked to his manager and he said that the firewire was for future use and that it did nothing. Then I said yes it did and then they said they would have the local office call me the next day about getting me one and having it enabled.

[10:25:49]

t0ny-p40:

juski, well at least I will be able to change the channel with the firewire instead of serial

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Dagmar:

tony: Lean on them hard about the firewire port

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Dagmar:

If the local office doesn't call you by an hour before close of business, get their number and call them, or call them first thing in the morning.

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t0ny-p40:

Dagmar, I have to teach them what it is first

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Dagmar:

Then you're being routed to the wrong people.

[10:27:05]

Dagmar:

Either way, it's not your job to teach them theirs.

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Dagmar:

Make sure they get a copy of the specific FCC mandate and say "Why isn't this happening?"

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t0ny-p40:

can I threaten to report them to the fcc or sue them?

[10:27:59]

Dagmar:

If you get no results after two weeks or so, find out where your local FCC field office is and ask _them_ to help you look into it

[10:28:02]

Dagmar:

Don't threaten

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t0ny-p40:

:(

[10:28:11]

Dagmar:

That's a waste of time and puts things in an adversarial position.

[10:28:14]

Dagmar:

Just fucking TELL the FCC.

[10:28:24]

t0ny-p40:

ok I will

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juski:

just point out to them that they're legally obliged

[10:28:49]

juski:

they'll understand the ramifications if they have any sense. no need to threaten them

[10:29:14]

Dagmar:

...and if they play stupid and pretend to not realize the ramifications, the FCC will be happy to point them out for them.

[10:29:49]

Dagmar:

If digital cable weren't about twice the cost of regular cable here, I'd have already made Comcast in this city hate me with a passion

[10:30:18]

t0ny-p40:

ok I need sleep 3:30am

[10:30:23]

t0ny-p40:

night all

[10:30:29]

t0ny-p40:

thanks for the tips

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juski:

consumers only have themselves to blame when companies put stupid restrictive measures in place. if enough walk, they'll think again

[10:30:53]

Dagmar:

pfft.

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Dagmar:

There's mainly nowhere to walk TO in the US

[10:31:10]

juski:

so? make a point of principle

[10:31:30]

Dagmar:

Masses gotta have their opiates

[10:31:53]

juski:

I'm resolved to opt out if DRM goes totally whack over here

[10:31:55]

Dagmar:

I kinda wish dish network were a _little_ easier to interface with tho

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rsdvd:

Dagmar : is that what TV has become – Opiates for the Masses

[10:32:13]

t0ny-p40:

They need to have more then one cable co in one area

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juski:

whaddya mean *become* ? it always has been :)

[10:32:32]

t0ny-p40:

then at least you can pick the lesser of the two evils

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rsdvd:

juski : we have come a long way since the original black and whites from Crystal Palace

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clever[rev]:

LOL

[10:33:15]

clever[rev]:

im sitting here saying outloud WTF wondering how ntp crashed and set my clock to 6am

[10:33:16]

juski:

no we haven't ;)

[10:33:19]

clever[rev]:

then i look up from the computer

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clever[rev]:

it IS 6am

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rsdvd:

juski : it was all crap then......now i just have 200 channels or crap – what an improvment ;-)

[10:34:26]

** juski laughs **

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Dagmar:

Well, at one time, children's programming didn't have commercials built right into it

[10:34:57]

juski:

btw I got a new password this morning – for my personal webspace

[10:34:58]

clever[rev]:

and the surge in activity/ramusage on my laptop is probly updatedb and the daily cron jobs

[10:35:14]

clever[rev]:

juski: cool what is it?:P

[10:35:19]

Dagmar:

...and PBS used to actually get money from the gov't

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juski:

so the site is back up!

[10:35:36]

Dagmar:

I think the FCC needs to take a position against Bush

[10:35:58]

Dagmar:

Aside from the 25 billion or so Americans that don't work for the FCC

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rsdvd:

juski – have you had to type the password on that PC? if you still have the keylogger installed it will have recorded the new one

[10:36:53]

juski:

aha no, that pc isn't connected to the net anymore

[10:36:58]

rsdvd:

ok – good!

[10:37:06]

clever[rev]:

with my cisco switch

[10:37:13]

juski:

good ole commandline ftp ;)

[10:37:16]

clever[rev]:

i can effectively cut the ethernet to a pc

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clever[rev]:

without having to physicaly pull any cables out

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juski:

wow, clever[rev] you must be some kind of GURU!!!!!!!!!!

[10:37:45]

clever[rev]:

:P

[10:37:51]

clever[rev]:

its just disabling a port in the java applet

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daviey:

juski, thanks for bringing your site back up, it's much appreciated by all!!

[10:38:06]

t0ny-p40:

clever, ifconfig eth0 down

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t0ny-p40:

:)

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clever[rev]:

what if the pc is loaded with virus's?

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Dagmar:

rsdvd: Huh? There was evidence of a keylogger?

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clever[rev]:

cant they just ifup eth0 on me:P

[10:38:44]

t0ny-p40:

ifconfig = *unix = no virus

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rsdvd:

I thought that is what we decided (although youwere still discussing it what I left)

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clever[rev]:

when my school got a single virus

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juski:

it'd have to have been a keylogger

[10:39:01]

clever[rev]:

they had every single pc shut off and the ethernet cable pulled

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rsdvd:

some sort of malware that was allowing access to his webspace

[10:39:24]

juski:

anyway – it's been discussed to death & frankly I want to put it behind me

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rsdvd:

ok.....understandable

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juski:

a lot like the advocacy stuff I was almost hauled into ;)

[10:39:49]

rsdvd:

[change subject] : haev you listed the S100s yet?

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clever[rev]:

3mins mins and i can watch more anime:D

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Dagmar:

Statistically it was more likely something that would have just grabbed stored passwords from the box and mailed them off, but...

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clever[rev]:

more mins*

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juski:

no, been busy sortingout my hdd space

[10:40:21]

daviey:

clever, anime-porn? :/

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clever[rev]:

negima!?

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clever[rev]:

less fan service then mahou sensei negima

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Dagmar:

1) Considering the thing that revealed the problem, it was more likely a targeted attack, which would mean a cracked host or sniffed segment is more likely

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clever[rev]:

way way less then the negima ova's:P

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rsdvd:

juski : ok ! I think I might have got somewhere working out why I cannot make a bootable usb key

[10:40:56]

juski:

Dagmar: the catch was that it'd have to have been done from an IP from my ISP for one of the ftp sites

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Dagmar:

2) ...and without doing an actual forensic examination of the machine, there's not much point in bothering to speculate anyway

[10:41:16]

juski:

I can't be bothered to get into the forensics

[10:41:25]

Dagmar:

juski: More likely they just cracked machines on your ISP if it was like that

[10:41:35]

juski:

plenty of them

[10:41:46]

juski:

I know that from when I had port 80 open

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clever[rev]:

ssh protects agaist cracked isp boxes:P

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Dagmar:

I didn't say this... You want to attack workstations at an ISP's office becuase they will be the least secured things, and it'll be faster to springboard off a workstations credentials (especially if used by an admin) than it will be to try a frontal assault

[10:45:28]

juski:

I've always seen NTL IP addresses dominate my error logs

[10:45:45]

juski:

presumably from compromised machines

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Dagmar:

Probably so

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juski:

and the stuff that's gone on was definitely theme specific. they could've demolished my myth backend but didn't

[10:46:52]

Dagmar:

...although I'm thinking more likely it was VLC that got you

[10:47:18]

juski:

not when it wasn't forwarded through my router

[10:47:20]

Dagmar:

Judging by the scans, there's probably another unpublished exploit on the horizon

[10:47:29]

juski:

anyway it's all speculative

[10:47:32]

Dagmar:

Yep

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rsdvd:

I thought we were putting this convresation to bed?

[10:48:18]

juski:

lol ok

[10:48:47]

Dagmar:

So it looks like the push to mythui has picked up speed a little lately

[10:49:01]

Dagmar:

Seems to be a lot more xml files useable with themes now

[10:49:19]

juski:

?

[10:49:24]

Dagmar:

...or I'm misinterpreting what I saw scroll down in the last CVS I pulled

[10:49:42]

Dagmar:

I'm also comparing based against what's in mythtv-themes, which may just be all painfully out of date

[10:51:00]

Dagmar:

Like, the DVR theme in 0.20-fixes has a number of files the others dont have

[10:52:43]

juski:

I don't support any themes other than the default menu theme

[10:52:57]

juski:

I tried 'classic' once. SHUDDER!

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rsdvd:

juski : when you were working on the S100....did you get syslinux to work to boot the thing ?

[10:53:59]

juski:

can't remember

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rsdvd:

the EPIA boots with a syslinux created key (as created by minimyth) but the S100 refuses.....but will boot from a isolinux CD image :-(

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rsdvd:

it looks like the BIOS in htese things is VERY picky

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juski:

yeah well *that* I already know ;)

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rsdvd:

lol

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rsdvd:

the BIOS is actually rather standard – I am confused why it is more picky than any other PC BIOS

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juski:

ok then plug your usb stick into a different port & reboot it

[10:56:32]

juski:

then you'll see what I mean

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Dagmar:

Who made the BIOS for it?

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juski:

award

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rsdvd:

I know – I will have to change the BIOS Boot order when you change ports

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Dagmar:

Those are modular

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rsdvd:

Dagmar ?

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Dagmar:

You can often get away with finding another bios image and using a bios editor to transplant modules

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Dagmar:

I'm not sure what might safely qualify as 'reasonably similar' to the S100 tho

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rsdvd:

exactly :-)

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Dagmar:

Hey if you test for an emergency recovery bootstrap and one is present, you can do stupid things with little risk

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Dagmar:

Those don't have ps2 ports on them tho do they

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juski:

that'd be a job for somebody of my calibre – the s100 bios isn't socketed IIRC

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rsdvd:

all way to complex for me – I just want to boot a rootfs :-(

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Dagmar:

I've never had to mess with changing the chip

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rsdvd:

Dagmar : no ps2......you haev to use usb

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juski:

nah there's ps2

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Dagmar:

Yeah, and that's not so likely to be amenable to the usual emergency recovery bootstrap

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Dagmar:

Not unless award put USB support in it when I wasn't looking

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juski:

they used it for the front panel – remote control CPU ;)

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rsdvd:

the ps2 chips might be there but no ports

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Dagmar:

You do know what emergency recovery bootstrap I'm talking about, right?

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Dagmar:

Like, on my AMI board, if I scribble up an image of the right size, filled with *crap* and tell it to ignore the checksum, I can use awdflash to deliberately screw up the BIOS

[11:02:23]

Dagmar:

Then I can take out a floppy disk, put a *real* BIOS on it named 'amiboot.rom' (only file on the floppy, and first file written), put it in the drive, and hit the power with my toe while I smack ctrl+home frantically

[11:02:40]

juski:

I've not seen any evidence it has that

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Dagmar:

There's like a 1/4-second window (no joke) to hit it, and if you get it it'll go reading the floppy for a bit, burn amibios.rom to the eeprom, and then emit four beeps

[11:03:21]

juski:

doesn't have a floppy port either

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Dagmar:

All the award BIOS boards I've seen have the same deal, but with a different keypress

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Dagmar:

...all the ones from about 2000 or so anyway

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rsdvd:

yeah – but you need to make *another* cable – I had enough trouble witht he VGA :-)

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juski:

lol

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rsdvd:

we are not all electronic geniuses like you :-)

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rsdvd:

that is a genius with all thing electronic – not implying you are a robot :-)

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juski:

apparently we had a rep in this morning offerring us some VGA& DVI over cat5 chips

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juski:

:D

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rsdvd:

that could be interesting for a distributed myth system :-)

[11:14:40]

daviey:

seems NTL are trialing 100mb internet, we could share backends!

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juski:

100mb?!

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rsdvd:

wow – I would even considr moving to them if they ofered 100mb

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juski:

256k upload – wanna bet on it? ;)

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rsdvd:

juski : it is reported to be max 12.5Mb upstream

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rsdvd:

which would be fantastic – but still may years off

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quicksilver:

France Telecom are trialling 2.5Gb internet :)

[11:22:18]

quicksilver:

stick that in your NTL and smoke it :)

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rsdvd:

I am lucky of I get 3Mb :-(

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juski:

I think I'm on the 4Mb service

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juski:

I know the upload speed sucks

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juski:

get about 45KB/sec

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rsdvd:

I cannot get NTL here – so I am on crap ADSL

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quicksilver:

I have 8Mb from freedom2surf

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quicksilver:

I get 600KB/sec on a good day

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juski:

no need to say crap & ADSL ;)

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quicksilver:

which is roughly right

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quicksilver:

upload is slow though

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rsdvd:

supposed to be 8Mb down and 384kb up

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juski:

for all the downloading I do I could downgrade

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rsdvd:

4Gb under £20 :-)

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psofa:

latest trunk wont compile

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psofa:

/usr/include/X11/extensions/Xrandr.h:299: error: expected â€˜,â€™ or â€˜...â€™ before â€˜deleteâ€™

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psofa:

:(

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rsdvd:

juski : I just bought a *tiny* 1Gb usb drive for £10

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juski:

not even worth it when you can buy 4GB for double that

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rsdvd:

but this is tiny and cute :-) only about 1 inch long so will neatly sit int he back of the S100 (if I ever get it to f*****g boot)

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juski:

lunchylunchtime :)

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pat_:

sleepysleeptime

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Ruleke:

wokyworktime

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Ruleke:

:P

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rsdvd:

juski : are you there?

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juski:

nope :-P

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rsdvd:

:-) do you remember what NIC is in a S100.....I am trying to get etherboot working but I need the exact chipset of the NIC

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juski:

I've got the output of lspci somewhere

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juski:

http://www.juski.co.uk/s100/lspci.txt

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rsdvd:

thanks

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Beirdo:

w00t! I found my handwritten schematic for my custom ir transmitter

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

on the floor of the office in the mess

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Beirdo:

I think I shall transcribe it into a notebook later today

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Beirdo:

first coffee, then coding

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Honk:

http://honk.ath.cx/files/noise.mpg <-- is this just noise from a bad frequency setting? it looks odd imho (stripes in the upper and lower part of the image, but none in the middle)

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fysa:

looks like dirty power

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fysa:

or maybe you want to stick an amp before your splitter

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Honk:

<fysa> or maybe you want to stick an amp before your splitter <-- if only i had access to that :)

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Honk:

the odd thing is that it only really occurs on one channel

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fysa:

you don't split your signal?

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fysa:

that's just with one?

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Honk:

nah, i dont have access to where it happens

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fysa:

ah

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fysa:

I really don't understand what that means. It's at someone else's house?

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Honk:

well.. i'm living in a student dormitory :]

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fysa:

I don't have a common ground here — in fact, I have no ground, so the ground for my media center (and that entire power strip) is through the cable coax.

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Honk:

all i have is one single plug in the wall :]

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fysa:

I had the same issue until I stuck on an amp before the splitter.

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fysa:

which probably just masked that noise with better signal..

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fysa:

if you're in a dorm, it definitely sounds like it could just be a signal that's split too many times/not enough power.

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Honk:

yeah :]

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fysa:

is it the lowest channel that does it?

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fysa:

or the highest?

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Honk:

errh..

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Honk:

neither

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Honk:

something in the middle =)

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fysa:

just a random one?

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fysa:

ah

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fysa:

not much you can really do, I suppose.

[13:37:30]

fysa:

you could try an amp before your myth box, maybe catch a few db before the loss at the capture card.

[13:37:42]

fysa:

but I wouldn't spend too much money on that test. :P

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Honk:

i can live with it, as long as it's not something wrong with my setup that i could change :P

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fysa:

if you have an mpeg2 encoding card, dnr can help a bit.

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fysa:

or you could put a dnr filter on just the channel with the problem in myth

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Honk:

i do have a pvr500 =)

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Honk:

i'll try

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Honk:

though a noise filter really doesnt help much for such bad noise :P

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Honk:

(even yuvdenoise doesnt get rid of it properly :P)

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Beirdo:

denoising algorithms aren't magic, they can't create details that aren't there :)

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Honk:

yeah :P

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Honk:

i dont expect 'em to :]

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Beirdo:

OY!

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Beirdo:

this code will kill me yet

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defaultro:

hey folks, I've been trying to ffmpeg a recording but it always freezes my machine. Have you encountered this? [mpeg2video @ 0x84df3bc]concealing 7320 DC, 7320 AC, 7320 MV errors

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Honk:

oi, i've got a better signal on the other tuner of my pvr500 :]

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fysa:

good chance that an amp will help you then

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Honk:

i may give it a try :)

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Honk:

thanks =)

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defaultro:

hey folks, what tool are you using to reencode an mpeg recording to dvd?

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gardengnome:

mytharchive probably

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defaultro:

have you tried it?

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Weezey:

Since I installed the latest mythtv SVN my lircrc doesn't work with my mythfrontend. It works with xine so I know irexec is still working as a whole.

[14:21:16]

defaultro:

I tried it but I think I'm doing it incorrectly

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defaultro:

does mytharchive use ffmpeg?

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quicksilver:

yes

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defaultro:

oh

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defaultro:

because I was using ffmpeg and it always freeze my machine on a certain frame

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defaultro:

it never did it before

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defaultro:

could it be bad recording?

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quicksilver:

probably a corrupt file, yes

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quicksilver:

you could try (carefully) a newer version of ffmpeg

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defaultro:

but I was able to watch it the other day

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defaultro:

i did svn update and compiled/installed last night

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quicksilver:

although they have a nasty habit of changing the commandline API each version

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quicksilver:

defaultro: it could be that myth's default player does a better job with corrupt files than ffmpeg

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defaultro:

k

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quicksilver:

or could be that it wasn't corrtup, but it tickled a rare ffmpeg bug

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

yeah, because I copied a sourcefile to another filename and it was copied fine

[14:26:25]

defaultro:

I'm doing an ffmpeg on the newly copied file

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defaultro:

but I will have to wait an hour before that frame gets reached

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defaultro:

it happens when the size is somewhere at 1.3gb

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defaultro:

is there other alternative to ffmpeg?

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quicksilver:

I don't believe there is anything as good

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defaultro:

ok

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quicksilver:

there is a java program whose name escapes me

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defaultro:

projectx

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quicksilver:

that's the one :)

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defaultro:

:)

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defaultro:

i couldn't remember why I stopped using it

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patrick__:

Hello

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patrick__:

I have a question about mythtv

[14:31:06]

patrick__:

anyone can help me

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quicksilver:

if you only stay here for 2 minutes

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quicksilver:

probably not

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qu0zl:

ask the question patrick__, if somebody sees it and knows they'll answer. nobody's going to tell you then canhelp when they don't know what the question is

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patrick__:

Can I only install DVB-T card in PC connecting with internet without satellite receiver ?

[14:40:24]

Honk:

qu0zl: only if they can understand the question :P

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qu0zl:

:)

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qu0zl:

patrick__, to use a dvb-t card you need a dvb-t feed from an antenna

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patrick__:

I have no satellite receiver at home, in fact

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qu0zl:

the T part means terrestrial, so over the air broadcasts. Do you have dvb-t broadcasts in your area?

[14:42:01]

qu0zl:

you can't use the card to get anything over the internet

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qu0zl:

all the DVB-? cards are useless without an appropriate feed

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opello:

all tuners are useless without an appropriate feed, heh

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patrick__:

Only have cable TV (reserved program set) at home / China

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gardengnome:

patrick__: what would you use the DVB-T card for?

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patrick__:

such as BBC, UK football league

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qu0zl:

patrick__, you won't be able to get those channels with a tuner card unless you already can get them from your cable company. Not without getting a satellite dish

[14:51:07]

qu0zl:

mythtv doesn't give you any channels that you'd already get with your tv

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qu0zl:

other than you'd already get, even

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patrick__:

That mean.. mythtv is only a software to broadcast satellite TV program....

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quicksilver:

no

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quicksilver:

mythtv is a program to watch tv

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quicksilver:

it can watch cable tv, satellite tv, terrestrial TV

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quicksilver:

subject to appropriate hardware support

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jpe-nyc:

hello all. Ihave been searching for days on where to start to try and figure out two issues I have. I am using a Celeron 2.8ghz 512 ram with a pvr-350. I am using the vga output. I am getting slightly choppy signal and thick horizontal (scan) lines. Most of the info I have found is relating to the tv-output, but I am not using that. any help appreciated.

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fryfrog:

jpe-nyc: does a tv hooked to the same feed look crappy?

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fryfrog:

jpe-nyc: does a manual capture to mpeg2 look crappy too?

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patrick__:

bye

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jpe-nyc:

I am using a cable feed of basic service. If something is recorded it plays back ok (although the lines are there)

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qu0zl:

bye patrick__

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jpe-nyc:

http://pastebin.ca/367709 that is the ivtv log

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jpe-nyc:

i also tried to get the mpeg decoder on the card to work, but wehn envoked it tells me the card cant be initalized.

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rsdvd:

is there any minimyth users in here today? I could do with some help – please!!!

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gardengnome:

heh ;)

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : hello!

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defaultro:

i thought, is my brain wrong today

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quicksilver:

defaultro: yes!

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quicksilver:

:)

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defaultro:

that was weird to me, hehehe

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rsdvd:

I am getting a "no more processes left in this runlevel" from minimyth onthe S100 – any ideas?

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : BTW I have now manged to get the S100 to boot PXE :-)

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: awesome :)

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rsdvd:

it woudl be it I could stop it from dieing with "no more processes left in this runlevel"

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: no idea on that one, sorry

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rsdvd:

it seems to be a config problem – but I have no idea where to look

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** Beirdo chucks a cordless mouse at gardengnome... Think fast! **

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Beirdo:

hehe, looks like I missed and hit psofa

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rsdvd:

lol

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rsdvd:

welcome back Juski!

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rsdvd:

I have got the S100 to PXE boot :-)

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psofa:

???

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juski:

woo!

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Beirdo:

psofa, nothing to worry about

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gardengnome:

poor gnome :/

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rsdvd:

but I now have another problem – minimyth stops with "no more processes left in this runlevel"

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psofa:

i think im missing something :P

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: do you have a minimyth.conf?

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daviey:

hmm.... I think i might have 'sold' the idea of mythtv to a relative last night. Not sure if i did the right thing. They want me to build/buy them a mythbox

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : yes – I have a minimyth.conf, but it is virtually the generic one

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** Beirdo listens to some Van Halen MP3s while he hacks on some code more **

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: did you seatch the minimyth forums?

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jpe-nyc:

how do i find the version of myth i am using.

[15:30:16]

daviey:

Beirdo, is very busy taking minutes of this channel for his log..... You do type it up manually, right?

[15:30:36]

daviey:

jpe-nyc, information centre

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qu0zl:

don't be daft daviey, he just copies and pastes it line by line

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jpe-nyc:

doh...

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Beirdo:

heh, no, that's MythLogBot's job :)

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : I have searched linpvr.org and not found anything helpful – so I have posted a question on their forum

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qu0zl:

lol ;)

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daviey:

qu0zl, silly be, i didn't even consider that as an option. That must save him LOADS of time

[15:31:26]

qu0zl:

heheh

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juski:

I'm writing it all out by hand in Celtic, translating as I go

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daviey:

i wish i had a DoMyDayJobBot

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jpe-nyc:

what would be the latest version? (mine says 0.20.20060828–3)

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juski:

jesus. just had a quote from zurich for my home & contents insurance.. 44.33 a month! :-O

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daviey:

juski, it's all your computers!

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daviey:

get a quote using quidco.com; on some you can get >Â£100 discount

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planktonboy:

hi all

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planktonboy:

I was wondering if anyone has been able to add a third party visualization to mythmusic

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planktonboy:

Basically I want to add Project M as my visualization

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daviey:

juski, using zurich + quidco you can get Â£120 discount

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** r3z` needs to reencode some of his shows from 2.5gb to about 350gb or so. Anyone got suggestions? **

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planktonboy:

and I figured that if Goom and those other xmms type plugins were running in mythmusic then project M should be able to as well, but cant find any files that might allow for a hacvk to set that

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quicksilver:

r3z: you want to make them all 120 times larger?

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quicksilver:

strange choice

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planktonboy:

any ideas would be appreciated

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daviey:

r3z`, your CRAZY

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daviey:

or do you mean 350mb?

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r3z`:

err ya

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r3z`:

sry

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planktonboy:

LOL

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daviey:

are people still using nuvexport?

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quicksilver:

r3z`: well mpeg4 with a low bit rate

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r3z`:

Ya I am curious of a way to do it from console ;)

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quicksilver:

r3z`: and possible drop the resolution, depending what it's for (small screen?)

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planktonboy:

daviey using mpg here

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r3z`:

Ya reencoding some of them so I can upload and watch at work ;)

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r3z`:

Dont want to upload a 2.5gb file

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daviey:

planktonboy, no i mean to get it do a small xvid avi

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planktonboy:

ah

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planktonboy:

I have had some success in reencoding files to a flash flv file

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daviey:

r3z`, if nuvexport is still the recommended way; that uses console

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planktonboy:

which is about half size of original

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daviey:

although if you are SSH'ing in; i would recommend using 'screen'. It takes hours

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defaultro:

i love screen

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daviey:

i love my family and mythtv; not sure which the most

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quicksilver:

screen > family

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quicksilver:

!

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defaultro:

:D

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daviey:

trouble is with screen, i can never remember the hot-keys

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defaultro:

can nuvexport reencode an hd recording to dvd

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defaultro:

daviey, I don't need to remember, I just type screen -r

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daviey:

defaultro, don't think so, try it

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defaultro:

and am I correct that nuvexport does not call other utilities

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daviey:

no

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daviey:

it does, either ffmpeg or transcode

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defaultro:

i'll try sometime

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defaultro:

ouch

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defaultro:

because right now, i'm troubleshooting ffmpeg

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defaultro:

it's stops at certain frame and would freeze my box

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defaultro:

mythtv though is able to play the recording fine

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daviey:

mythtv doesn't use ffmpeg to play recordings

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defaultro:

exactly

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defaultro:

so I don't know what's wrong with ffmpeg. It's too sensitive

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daviey:

defaultro, what distro?

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defaultro:

fedora. Why?

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rsdvd:

juski : so you still have your minimyth.conf from when you were using the S100? I am reading your posts on linpvr and I have the same issues you had

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juski:

rsdvd: nope

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rsdvd:

:-(

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juski:

paste it somewhere tonight & I'll take a looky

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rsdvd:

I have got the problems with typos inthe xorg.conf

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planktonboy:

ok gotta go..will try again later...anyways, cheers guys have a good one :))

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defaultro:

where is the home of nuvexport?

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rsdvd:

juski : can you remember what the screen section should be.......I end with (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.

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rsdvd:

Fatal server error:

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rsdvd:

no screens found

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defaultro:

I can't use nuvexport since it also calls ffmpeg, :( http://pastebin.ca/367751

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Cardoe:

any Gentoo MythArchive users?

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janneg:

Cardoe: Gentoo MythArchive as in MythArchive from gentoo ebuilds?

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daviey:

Anybody recommend a 'good value' case / barebones?

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anykey_:

daviey: something from silverstone, if it should be HTPC, they start iirc at 90$ or so..

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|Torg|:

daviey there are hundreses of them

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|Torg|:

you dont need anything fancy unless you simply want form over function

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|Torg|:

any case with enough slots, that can hold the MB, and has enough fans will work

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|Torg|:

and unless you plan on stocking it with multiple harddrives any old case will work

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anykey_:

|Torg|: well, you probably want something pretty if it should go under the tv...

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juski:

rsdvd: give it a generic xorg.conf

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|Torg|:

Mine are plain, nothing specail, boxes. And two of them are next to the TV

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anykey_:

|Torg|: WAF is probably higher if it's a prettier case =)

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rsdvd:

juski : I have the 'generic' xorg.conf from the mini-myth stuff

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daviey:

|Torg|, mine are currently beige boxes

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|Torg|:

I belive I paid $40 for them a piece, added a few extra fans (becas I have a box of fans)

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|Torg|:

I have one beige and one black

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juski:

for a high WAF it needs to be quiet, small, shiny & pretty

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|Torg|:

the BE has extra cooling in the form of drive trays for the 5 sata drives it holds, other then that there nothing special cases

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anykey_:

juski: & working ;-)

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** juski laughs **

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daviey:

juski, are you small, quiet abd pretty?

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|Torg|:

actully juski it was my wife that bought the cases to begin with

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daviey:

;)

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juski:

anyway, I'm told I'm no Richard Hammond – don't quite know how to take that

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juski:

assuming that's a *good* thing ;)

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chosi_:

hi :]

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rsdvd:

juski : " no Richard Hammond" does that mean you drive slowly?

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daviey:

juski, e-petitions might ban me; i have signed so many this month

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chosi_:

according to google "Transcode failed with status: 247" means something like codec problem

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chosi_:

...how do i fix it? :o

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daviey:

bye all

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Dagmar:

chosi_: Find the broken codec and replace it

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juski:

yeah me too. byeeeeeeeeee

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chosi_:

well, i just marked the commercials for cutting and pushed X for transcoding

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Dagmar:

So you have some research to do then

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chosi_:

the status msg was then "transcode failed"...what codec does it use?

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Dagmar:

You're the one with the file

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chosi_:

well i'm using standard settings :] mpeg-output, mpeg-input, everything mpeg :|

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Dagmar:

That doesn't tell us anything useful

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Ediehow:

hi

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Ediehow:

is there an easy way to export a small portion of a file?

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chosi_:

what is "useful"? could you maybe ask some questions that lead to the solution?

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Ediehow:

so i can stick it on youtube? through myth itself?

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Ediehow:

like, exporting 30 seconds

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Dagmar:

Edithow: use the cutlist editor to cut everything but the 30 seconds you want, and then export it with nuvexport

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Ediehow:

so i have to cut everything else?

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Ediehow:

that's what i was wanting to avoid:O

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Ediehow:

i was wondering if can just easily export 3:01–3:25 or something

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Dagmar:

Strangely, it doesn't take a lot of time to *not* transcode data

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Ediehow:

Dagmar, i'm talking about having to go through the process of selecting everything but, etc

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Dagmar:

Have you ever used the cutlist editor?

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Dagmar:

this is NOT a hard task

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Ediehow:

yes, repeatedly

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Ediehow:

i use it to remove commercials from dvds i make

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Dagmar:

You go to the start of your little clip and select "cut everything BEFORE here" and then go to the end of it and tell it "cut everything AFTER here".

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Dagmar:

How is that a difficult taks?

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Ediehow:

ah, i see what you mean

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chosi_:

Dagmar: where do I see which codec is used for transcoding?

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lose_the_grim:

Anyone using the harmony 659? I'm not sure what profile to configure it with.

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|Torg|:

use irrecord

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|Torg|:

lose_the_grim do you understand what I meant by that?

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fryfrog:

lose_the_grim: I used the PVR350 remote as a template, with a serial port IR

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fysa:

wow. has anyone here messed with drupal's new garland theme?

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fysa:

http://acko.net/garland/?q=admin/build/themes/settings/garland

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fysa:

themes are saved as a single PNG with alpha, then you provide x/y/size coords for 'slices.'

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fysa:

that PNG is grayscale, so when you use the color selector, your alpha channel dictates how the gradients work.

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fysa:

and then the individual colored images are generated and cached.

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fysa:

would be nice for myth ;)

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r3z`:

hrm

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r3z`:

nuvexport is at like 640% done?

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r3z`:

Encode started: Thu Feb 22 11:08:25 2007

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r3z`:

First pass...

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r3z`:

Waiting for mythtranscode to set up the fifos.

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r3z`:

Waiting for mythtranscode to set up the fifos.

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r3z`:

Starting transcode.

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r3z`:

processed: 54176 of 8387 frames at 13.46 fps (645.95%, eta: )

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r3z`:

I dont believe that is normal but Ive never used nuvexport.

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r3z`:

any ideas?

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quicksilver:

it got it wrong when it guessed the number of frames

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quicksilver:

I have no idea why :)

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r3z`:

hrm I wonder how many frames there are on a 1hr show?

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r3z`:

any wild ass guess?

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quicksilver:

24fps, * 3600 seconds in an hour?

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quicksilver:

86400 frames?

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r3z`:

Cool

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r3z`:

Thanks. ;)

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r3z`:

anyone use the mythgames?

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** r3z` just copied a bunch of roms over and I need to know if there is any more setup I need to do besides put the zips in the directory? **

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r3z`:

nes/roms/

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r3z`:

quicksilver, you know of any mythfrontend livecds?

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quicksilver:

I believe such things exist

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quicksilver:

I know nothing about them

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r3z`:

heh

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r3z`:

Ya I want to boot one up in vm so I can play with my myth installation remotely.

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** r3z` is rdp'd into home ;) **

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r3z`:

I might just find a windows version.

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quicksilver:

there ought to be a windows application to netboot linux

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quicksilver:

that would be useful

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Beirdo:

fucking telemarketers

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Beirdo:

woke me from my nap :)

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r3z`:

heh

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r3z`:

screw it I will just install to a vm.

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Beirdo:

so I guess I'll go back to me code :)

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r3z`:

w00t knoppmyth has a frontend that runs from the cd ;)

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eulin:

hi all

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eulin:

I have some problem with my mythtv I dont'hear anything(audio,tv,video)..I have killed esd but same problem

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eulin:

what's wrong?

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Smirnov:

r3z`: install zsnes or snes9x

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r3z`:

ok

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r3z`:

Do I need to do anything on the backend side to allow a seperate frontend to connect?

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r3z`:

hrm

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dverzolla:

Hi All!

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dverzolla:

It's possible to put the current time in my recordings, without a post process? I can do this with ffmpeg, But I need to do without a post job...

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rsdvd:

r3z` : the only change on the backend that is required is to allow remote mysql connections

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r3z`:

Ya I need to go do that again. I havent changed it since I reinstalled.

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** r3z` goes off to find some documentation ;) **

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rsdvd:

most installs allow remote access out-of-the-box.....

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hjohnson:

wow.. when myth is recording my load average goes to 0.30

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r3z`:

quicksilver, I passed 86400 frames ;

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hjohnson:

thank goodness i've got a pvr card. :P

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r3z`:

heh

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hjohnson:

I think most of that is the RAID

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fryfrog:

you can use dstat to see io wait

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hjohnson:

fryfrog: given that i'm running software RAID5...

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hjohnson:

i'm not totally shocked.

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fryfrog:

sure, me either

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fryfrog:

but dstat's io wait could give you an indication if its actualy anything to worry about

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fryfrog:

you aren't seeing any IOBOUND stuff?

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dverzolla:

It's possible to put the current time in my recordings, without a post process? I can do this with ffmpeg, But I need to do without a post job...

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fryfrog:

press "i" while you are watching?

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fryfrog:

or you need it perm-overlay?

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fryfrog:

like, written to the file perm or would it be okay to simply turn on say, a time display?

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dverzolla:

fryfrog: I need something like: dd/mm/yyyy HH:MM:SS

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dverzolla:

fryfrog: or anything similiar...

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dverzolla:

fryfrog: But I can't use "i", My recordings is all scheduled.

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** hjohnson is sitll suprised that enterprise went splotch last night **

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hjohnson:

(enterprise is the name of my main server, and no it's not named after star trek)

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xris:

hjohnson: my wife's gear is all named after bsg :) she gets great enjoyment out of the fact that her wireless access point (i.e. "the network") is named Galactica.

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fryfrog:

lame ass harry potter here :(

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fryfrog:

used to be xmen, then i was like "zomg harry potter"

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fryfrog:

now i wish i'd stuck with xmen :)

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GreyFoxx:

heh all of my machines are named after nonsense words or sounds :)

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GreyFoxx:

woop, spoo, narf, blurb, jax, etc etc

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hjohnson:

xris: ahh, my network is named after sailing ships that explored the north pacific in the 17th and 18th centuries.

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hjohnson:

so enterprise (really should be prize), chatham, impregnable, discovery, active, alert, agamemnon, scout, pelorus, etc...

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hjohnson:

oh, and printer is named tribune.

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hjohnson:

and when I uesd to have a separate DNS, it was "resolution"

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|Torg|:

I took a more practical aproach, my mail server is called mailserver and my webserver is called, well... webserver. So when I tell my wife to log into the mail server she wont get confused :)

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hjohnson:

|Torg|: well, service names are just CNAMEs to the machine names. :)

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hjohnson:

so www is CNAME enterprise

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|Torg|:

of course, my backend is reallu jachin (go look it up if you want to know) and its CNAMEd to backend as well as mediaserver and fileserver

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** hjohnson lusts after this 3ware card... **

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hjohnson:

but I can't justify it.

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|Torg|:

there really is no reason to justify its cost

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era|laptop:

anyone have any luck with playing .mkv files with mythplayer?

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|Torg|:

you cn get reliable, and just about as fast performance out of software raid

[18:23:05]

hjohnson:

|Torg|: except the big drop in CPU utilization.

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hjohnson:

|Torg|: oh, I know, i'm running a 5 disk RAID 5 right now.

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hjohnson:

in software.

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xris:

|Torg|: except for the whole "battery backup" part.

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|Torg|:

big drop? try about 5% on a single core AMD 1.5GHZ and thats a 5 disk 2TB array with 500G SATA drives

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|Torg|:

the only real advanatage is onboard cache and since I write large sequenial files to it that gives little or no advantage

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|Torg|:

as for the battery backup, thats just to keep the array cache running in case of failure

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xris:

|Torg|: um, exactly

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|Torg|:

if my box crators I have more problems then just the damn raid array ov 7GB tv shows :P

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|Torg|:

if I lost the entire array my wife and I would fill it back up (well myth would faithfully do so) in about 3 weeks anyway

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xris:

you were talking about justifying the cost... that's good justification for many applications.

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hjohnson:

well, i've got 35 minutes of battery backup.

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|Torg|:

I was specifcly talking about mythtv as the application. If you have a compelling reason I would love to hear it

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hjohnson:

for the whole computer.

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hjohnson:

(and the entire network infrastructure)

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hjohnson:

so the battery backup isn't as much of an issue.

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hjohnson:

I scored a 100lb UPS from a .com bankruptcy sale.

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hjohnson:

for like $35, I couldn't complain.. all it needed was new batteries

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|Torg|:

I was thknig of a power inverter and a few batteries in the garrag to realce 20 or so 300–1500 upses

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xris:

|Torg|: for mythtv... it's hard to find a linux-compatible sata controller with lots of ports? granted, there is always LSI for that stuff, then.

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|Torg|:

I got a highpoint with 8 ports for under $100

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hjohnson:

|Torg|: the problem is monitoring... an inverter+batteries generally isn't monitorable.

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|Torg|:

it does fakeraid too if you want

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hjohnson:

does the highpoint also just do JBOD?

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|Torg|:

yes hjohnson but like I said I realy loose power, its just spikes and brownouts

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era|laptop:

are .mkv files supported by default by mythplayer or will i have to use another player?

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|Torg|:

well expect that time they replaced the electic pole

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|Torg|:

yes hjohnson

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hjohnson:

or the transformer blew up down the street from me. <G>

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hjohnson:

right now I'm using the 4 onboard SATA ports, plus 1 SATA port on a VIA sata controller.

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hjohnson:

on the PCI bus.

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hjohnson:

(the other reason why i'm lusting after the 3ware card is it's a 4 lane PCI-e card)

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|Torg|:

I run an old PCI/AGP MB with a pci vga card so the thing can boot

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|Torg|:

its main use is the 2 pci ATSC cards and on PCI sata card

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|Torg|:

the only thing I can stress that cpu with is comflagging

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hjohnson:

ahh, i discovered that my motherboard could boot without a video card. :D

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|Torg|:

same here, its why its got a voodoo graphics card it in

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|Torg|:

aka pulled one from the box-o-parts in the closet

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hjohnson:

xris: yeah, that's what I mean..

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hjohnson:

do the RAID under the md driver.

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fryfrog:

I think I want to swap my slave be/fe with my master be/fe

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fryfrog:

the slave that does the HD playback is a dual xeon that i think would make a *much* better server

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** xris curses wikipedia for constantly shifting the definition of jbod **

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|Torg|:

the performce of the propritary dirver isnt so bad that I am compelled to taer ti down, its more accademic at this point

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hjohnson:

now.. another question.. should I swap my media partition over to XFS from ext3

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|Torg|:

Just a Box of Discs?

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hjohnson:

since I'm running lvm2, I could pull a towers of hanoi on it. <G>

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|Torg|:

whats it claim raid is? Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks or Redundant Array of Independant Disks?

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xris:

|Torg|: except that half of the world thinks that it means concatenation.

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hjohnson:

|Torg|: the official acronym changed about 4 years ago or so...

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xris:

wikipedia mentions both definitions

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hjohnson:

it used to be Inexpensive, now it's independant.. though recent studies show that they'r enot independant. :D

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|Torg|:

most people seem to think concatination and radi 0 are differnt

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|Torg|:

they differ onlyt in stripe size and implimentation it is in fact the same algorithm

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hjohnson:

|Torg|: they usually are.

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xris:

|Torg|: they are. but so are jbod and concatenation

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|Torg|:

only in that you can concatinate differing sizes, its stil the same algorithm tho

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xris:

|Torg|: no, it's not

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hjohnson:

in theory, raid0 writes to both disks at once. concatonation would say have the first half of the partition on disk 1, secon dhalf on disk 2.

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hjohnson:

and with concatonation the disks can be of different sizes and geometries.

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xris:

raid0 stripes across disks, concatenation (like lvm) stripes all the way down one disk, then onto the next

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|Torg|:

normaly jbod referd to an extermal array encloser with litte or no inligence, enviromnet monitrring or raid funcitons

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hjohnson:

|Torg|: i've always heard JBOD meaning "Just a bunch of disks"

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|Torg|:

yes xris and when you concat two like size isks together you are in fact stiping with stripe size of disk, you just have two stripes

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|Torg|:

not really xris, just in some implimentaiotns

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hjohnson:

it's all symantics.

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|Torg|:

yes hjohnson exatactlu

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|Torg|:

look up the differnce betweena d1000 and an a1000

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|Torg|:

the former being a jbod array with the latter being a raid array

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hjohnson:

however RAID 0 requires all disks to be the same size (or at least the useful part to be the same size) so raid0 gives you N*s size, where N is the number of disks and s is the size of your smallest disk.

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|Torg|:

the differnce is simply a card inside the encloser

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Beirdo:

|Torg|, and both the D1000 and A1000 suck ass

[18:37:21]

hjohnson:

RAID 5 gives you (N-1)s RAID 6 gives you (N-2)s

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|Torg|:

Beirdo its an example :P

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Beirdo:

yup :)

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|Torg|:

what to talk about photons :P

[18:38:11]

|Torg|:

more maby some nice slow ass T3s?

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Beirdo:

I've dealt with enough A1000s in the past to really make me shudder

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Beirdo:

T3s suck too :)

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|Torg|:

I used to sell them

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Beirdo:

sucker :)

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fysa:

Amiga 1000?

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|Torg|:

no there Sun disk arrays

[18:38:44]

Beirdo:

Sun A1000 RAID arrays

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|Torg|:

the photon was the first fiber array, precursor to fiber channel

[18:39:05]

hjohnson:

I should update the version of ivtv on my box.

[18:39:09]

|Torg|:

the A1000 and D1000 are external scsi UW enclsuers

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Beirdo:

oh, xris... I'm now a legal alien :)

[18:39:24]

hjohnson:

the XRaid looks sexy, even if it isn't too sexy.

[18:39:30]

Beirdo:

A1000 is differential SCSI IIRC

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xris:

Beirdo: woot!

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Beirdo:

but yeah, sucktacular these days

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Beirdo:

got me my permanent residense on Tuesday, card should be in the mail any day now

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xris:

cool

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xris:

now if only Captain_Murdoch and I could finalize this free trip to brazil stuff... (or even if just he could, since I'm still waiting in line for my ticket)

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GreyFoxx:

What's in Brazil ?

[18:41:57]

xris:

bossaconference.org

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|Torg|:

and yes Beirdo they were ultra wide differntial (well are) arrays

[18:42:30]

GreyFoxx:

xris: Nice

[18:42:45]

xris:

GreyFoxx: yeah. apparently the group is working on http://gmyth.sf.net/

[18:42:47]

GreyFoxx:

I was down in Sao Paulo a few years ago for a Cable industry trade show and had a great time

[18:42:54]

xris:

trying to get a frontend running on the nokia n800

[18:43:19]

GreyFoxx:

Right Morpheus is writing that

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hjohnson:

so anyhow.

[18:43:36]

** hjohnson ponders if these debian modules are the 0.10.x branch of the ivtv drivers **

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era|laptop:

oh, that gmyth looks interesting.

[18:44:39]

GreyFoxx:

xris: IF you have any spare tickets I would gladly go ;) I haven't been back to Brazil in years and it would be a lot of fun :)

[18:45:33]

hjohnson:

I need to get travelling again... otherwise I'm not going to make my elite status this year..

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xris:

they're having enough trouble finding the budget for me... and Captain_Murdoch found out that it can take up to 3 weeks to get a visa, and still doesn't have all of the necessary paperwork to apply for one.

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|Torg|:

hjohnson I know a guy who bught a ticket to japan simply to keep his status, I really dont care that much for mine

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GreyFoxx:

Doh. I can tell you last time I applied for my visa it took a week

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GreyFoxx:

'but ymmv

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|Torg|:

monday morning when they call for group 1, 2/3s the damn plane gets on, big deal

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hjohnson:

|Torg|: oh, i'd do a milage run if I was that close.

[18:47:38]

jams:

almost purchased one of those n800's yesterday. Talked myself out of it at the last minute

[18:47:38]

hjohnson:

probably vancouver-frankfurt and back.

[18:47:41]

|Torg|:

other then for Canada I dont think I have ever applied for a visa, I just show up, hand my passport and they stamp it there at the airport

[18:47:53]

xris:

GreyFoxx: well, you can apparently go to the consolate and get it right there in a day, but it's a 4 hour drive for him, and 20+ for me. heh.

[18:48:00]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[18:48:07]

hjohnson:

|Torg|: but I travel so much, that the status actually si really nice to have... the lounges, priority checkin, priority security, and so forth.

[18:48:18]

hjohnson:

|Torg|: where are you from?

[18:48:31]

|Torg|:

the lounge I pay for im perminant status on American tho

[18:48:36]

GreyFoxx:

xris : hehe

[18:48:38]

|Torg|:

I live in Dallas

[18:48:49]

hjohnson:

|Torg|: oh, so why did you need a Visa for Canada?

[18:49:06]

computron:

|Torg|you just need your passport

[18:49:07]

|Torg|:

umm becase I can go vist it all I like, but if I want to work there I gota have one

[18:49:10]

hjohnson:

I just have to be careful that the IRS doesn't come after me.. (last year I actually had to carefully monitor my time spent in the US)

[18:49:22]

hjohnson:

ahh yeah, you need a visa to work.

[18:49:30]

computron:

Yea did not see the work part

[18:49:32]

hjohnson:

computron: actually , americans don't need their passports unless they're flying.

[18:49:46]

hjohnson:

computron: and even then you only need it when you're flying because of King George the 2nd and his cronies.

[18:49:46]

computron:

hjohnson i thought that changed the first of the year

[18:49:53]

hjohnson:

computron: only for flying.

[18:49:57]

|Torg|:

I use my passport excusivly to fly with, even when I fly domestic

[18:49:57]

hjohnson:

and it was the 26th.

[18:49:57]

computron:

ahh

[18:49:59]

|Torg|:

its just esier

[18:50:00]

xris:

computron: it did. to "only for flying" as opposed to "not at all"

[18:50:04]

hjohnson:

|Torg|: same.

[18:50:10]

computron:

Got ya

[18:50:12]

Beirdo:

hjohnson, not true. You always need the passport to come to Canada

[18:50:22]

Beirdo:

BUT, they reserve the right to not ask for it

[18:50:24]

xris:

woot: http://services.mythtv.org/channel-icon/lookup/?callsign=kcpq

[18:50:28]

Beirdo:

been that way for many many years

[18:50:30]

hjohnson:

Beirdo: not if you're american and driving accross the land borders, or coming by boat.

[18:50:45]

Beirdo:

go read the law, that's not true, they just waive it

[18:51:10]

Beirdo:

they "may" accept birth certificate/license

[18:51:14]

Beirdo:

they don't have to

[18:51:17]

|Torg|:

actly they just hand it back to you without opening it

[18:51:21]

hjohnson:

Beirdo: they alway sdo.

[18:51:21]

|Torg|:

the Germans did that to me too

[18:51:25]

Beirdo:

they only HAVE to accept passport

[18:51:48]

Beirdo:

heh, true, but that one time they are being picky... ouch

[18:51:56]

|Torg|:

and the Candains sorta freak out when you show them a work visa

[18:51:57]

hjohnson:

then again, every time I hand my passport over now to the americans I get hauled into the back room and questioned.

[18:52:12]

Beirdo:

same goes for Canada -> US (which I know too well as a Canadian)

[18:52:16]

hjohnson:

I should just lose it and get another one.

[18:52:24]

hjohnson:

well "lose" it.

[18:52:26]

Beirdo:

too many stamps?

[18:52:31]

hjohnson:

Beirdo: the wrong stamps.

[18:52:33]

|Torg|:

going to Canada was never a problem, getting back into the US was tho

[18:52:36]

Beirdo:

Cuba, Iraq?

[18:52:47]

GreyFoxx:

ahahhaha been there. I have at least a hundred stamps and visas in my current passport

[18:53:00]

** xris has stamps that would keep him out of Syria. **

[18:53:02]

|Torg|:

Im on my third one, becase I filled the other two up

[18:53:03]

Beirdo:

one of my friends had a Cuba stamp and the US asked him about it (he's Canadian)

[18:53:04]

GreyFoxx:

I get stopped and questioned a LOT as a person of interest for travelling too much

[18:53:36]

|Torg|:

Ive never been detained, but the US customs has asked me allot of questiosn

[18:53:54]

|Torg|:

as for Iraq I never used my passort, for Solamlia or Panama too

[18:54:10]

Beirdo:

heh

[18:54:43]

Beirdo:

my old passport (expired) had stamps for US, Austria, Hungary. That is all

[18:54:44]

hjohnson:

Beirdo: Kuwait, twice, separated by 3 months, UAE, and Qatar.

[18:54:48]

Beirdo:

the new one... US

[18:54:57]

hjohnson:

and Kuwait was in-and-out on the same day.

[18:55:05]

Beirdo:

hjohnson, eek, that'll slow you down a bit for sure these days

[18:55:41]

hjohnson:

when I came back to Canada the customs guy goes "So How long have you been away?" "3 months" "where are you coming from?" "Kuwait" (looks at my in-and out on the same day from the previous date and goes "So where were you?"

[18:55:45]

Beirdo:

I'd just as soon stay home now :)

[18:55:53]

hjohnson:

"uhh, points north."

[18:56:02]

|Torg|:

the only people to evert look though my visa stams were the americans, the others just look for a blank page

[18:56:28]

hjohnson:

(actually the latter was more explained.. )

[18:56:47]

|Torg|:

thge amaricans ask me what copntry im from, I have to resist the urge to be a smart ass to them

[18:56:50]

hjohnson:

but you get the idea. Amazingly they didn't search me... just said "Welcome home!" and waved me through.

[18:56:55]

|Torg|:

after all I jsut handed them my american passport

[18:57:05]

|Torg|:

I dont think there the sharpest crayons in the box anyway

[18:57:07]

hjohnson:

topping_: the other amusing thing was when I was coming back from Cuba, I flew through Washington DC.

[18:57:15]

computron:

hey does anyone know if you can control a motorolla dct2224/1361/acdeg by rs232

[18:57:16]

Beirdo:

heh

[18:57:30]

Beirdo:

they had to drop off the cigars for the congressmen

[18:57:36]

hjohnson:

so I checked off the mark on the passport that I was just transiting the US... so the customs woman says to me incredulously.. "So.. uh, you came from Cuba to Canada by way of the united states?"

[18:57:49]

hjohnson:

"how does that work?"

[18:57:49]

|Torg|:

we get those from Miami Beirdo :P

[18:58:12]

Beirdo:

|Torg|, actually, more likely you get them from Toronto

[18:58:13]

Beirdo:

:)

[18:58:28]

|Torg|:

and Munich :)

[18:58:51]

hjohnson:

*sigh* I almost wish I was going back to Iraq again, just to get away from the corporate auditors that are harrasing me about my last trip.

[18:58:57]

|Torg|:

only in Munich they were about 2x the price

[18:58:59]

hjohnson:

they want proof that I actually went and did work there.

[18:59:13]

hjohnson:

"uhm, isn't the body armor on my desk and my collection of photos proof enough?"

[18:59:22]

Beirdo:

tell them to fly there and find out for themselves. Have a nice life.

[18:59:31]

hjohnson:

heh

[18:59:51]

hjohnson:

"Look, I spent 3 months in a war zone... it's not exactly a vacation spot."

[18:59:53]

|Torg|:

I would dump the sand from my shoes and ask them where the hell do you think I got that from :P

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hjohnson:

(I actually had a lot of fun over there, oddly)

[19:00:25]

|Torg|:

and I assuer you hjohnson Somalia was a much niver turist destination

[19:00:38]

hjohnson:

|Torg|: oh, I know.. I might be going there in a few months.

[19:01:05]

hjohnson:

I admit, I did take two weeks of vacation when I was in Tanzania for work.

[19:01:06]

|Torg|:

of course I went there comilemts of the US Army, so I didnt exactly go though customes

[19:01:23]

Beirdo:

I'm at the point in life where commuting from here to San Juan daily will start to piss me off. I don't wanna be overseas for work :)

[19:02:57]

Beirdo:

and some poor asshole elsewhere's like "Where the hell are my weapons!"

[19:03:26]

hjohnson:

and FedEx delivered it. Go figure.

[19:03:30]

|Torg|:

intersting they always made us take out the bolts from ours when we flew

[19:03:46]

|Torg|:

minded a solder "comptes" taking his weapn apart and poutting it back toogheter

[19:03:58]

|Torg|:

so Id say it was about 5 seconds from a fully functional weapon

[19:04:13]

|Torg|:

made the flught attendatnd feal better about it I guess

[19:04:15]

hjohnson:

|Torg|: heh, when I was in Qatar and flying back to Kuwait, they made us go through metal detectors.. the Captain I was travling with just handed his M9 around the metal detector and walked through.

[19:04:25]

hjohnson:

I thought they made you put the bolt in the checked luggage.

[19:04:50]

|Torg|:

I use dto go though metal detectors with a m9 and laptop along with paperwork telling TSA they cant look in my bag or stop me

[19:05:01]

|Torg|:

its about the only cool thing about being a currior I know

[19:05:20]

|Torg|:

mostly its waiting arround for some half assed officer to finiosh his report

[19:05:28]

hjohnson:

it's funny how so many people are suprised that I didn't cary when I was in .iq

[19:05:40]

|Torg|:

I put my bolt in my front pocket of my BDUs same as the rest of us did

[19:06:12]

hjohnson:

i almost got a set of DCUs to match my armor and kevlar...

[19:06:15]

|Torg|:

the firign pin went on one, the bol carrier in another and the wepn slung over the sholder

[19:06:25]

|Torg|:

liek I said tho takes about 5 secodns to put it all back together

[19:07:29]

hjohnson:

when I flew to the arctic, we packed our own cargo pallets for the chartered 737... after we took off I was sitting there thinking. "you know, it's stupid that they made us go through security... we packed the shotguns onto the first pallet, and the ammunition onto the top of the second pallet.

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v kormoc

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computron:

kormoc the man i needed to talk to

[19:08:15]

kormoc:

Mornin'

[19:08:27]

|Torg|:

I just wonderd what they thought was in the ammo cans, even if they were just comseq keys

[19:08:34]

|Torg|:

they didnt know that, it coulda been ammo

[19:08:40]

computron:

Do you know anything about the dct2224

[19:08:51]

hjohnson:

anyhow.

[19:08:53]

computron:

motorolla cable box

[19:09:06]

kormoc:

Sadly, I do not

[19:09:16]

computron:

it has an rs232 port on the back

[19:09:18]

|Torg|:

computron are you trying to connect its firewire?

[19:09:23]

computron:

rs232

[19:09:27]

computron:

i dont see a firewire port

[19:09:32]

kormoc:

|Torg|, je

[19:09:38]

kormoc:

|Torg|, he's not a HD subscriber

[19:09:47]

|Torg|:

sorry wrong model, ya your right

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computron:

its all good

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computron:

im just trying to control the box from the serial port

[19:10:37]

computron:

( i wish comcast had a tuner card i could throw in my puter that would be so nice

[19:10:39]

computron:

)

[19:10:54]

xris:

computron: pay the $5/month upgrade to an HD box

[19:10:54]

Beirdo:

dream on

[19:10:56]

xris:

get firewire

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computron:

xris i dont have a high def tv

[19:11:12]

xris:

computron: so?

[19:11:29]

|Torg|:

you can control the box via the firewire

[19:11:34]

xris:

HD box has a firewire port, there's a good chance that you can get all of your SD channels over firewire, too. it's worth $5 for a month to find out.

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fryfrog:

I have comcast and I did the same thing

[19:12:10]

kormoc:

computron, comcast can disable the serial port, so it might never work

[19:12:21]

|Torg|:

if I remember correctly that rs232 is for sending signals not recieving them

[19:12:21]

computron:

kormoc yea i heard that

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fryfrog:

their HD DVR that I have seends *every* channel out over the firewire port

[19:12:39]

fryfrog:

SD, HD, rar!

[19:13:21]

xris:

fryfrog: it just depends on your regional comcast franchise. it's like that in seattle, too.

[19:13:21]

|Torg|:

cable sucks anyay :P get ATSC

[19:13:34]

fryfrog:

er, i mean every channel that i pay for that is :)

[19:13:38]

xris:

|Torg|: can't get scifi channel or discovery HD over atsc

[19:14:09]

Dagmar:

Heck, SciFi is probably 90% of the reason I have cable at all.

[19:14:10]

fryfrog:

yeah, OTA would be like 6 channels

[19:14:10]

|Torg|:

if thats what you want, and umm I can, at least I can get discovery if I wanted to pay for it

[19:14:13]

computron:

im wondering what would be involved with building a digital card

[19:14:22]

fryfrog:

SD + HD cable is like 300+ and its all digital

[19:14:30]

fryfrog:

computron: impossible, CL would never approve it

[19:14:32]

hjohnson:

hmm.. fo rsome reason the auto-commercial skip is enabled, but it's not skipping.

[19:14:35]

|Torg|:

digital != better

[19:14:37]

computron:

CL?

[19:14:38]

Dagmar:

computron: An electrical engineering degree, at the very least.

[19:14:47]

fryfrog:

well, sorry there *are* digital cable card PCI cards

[19:14:52]

fryfrog:

but they have to be part of a full system

[19:14:53]

Dagmar:

hjohnson: Did you pull in the cutlist?

[19:14:56]

fryfrog:

CL = cable labs

[19:15:01]

computron:

ahh

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kormoc:

|Torg|, it's not worse in his area

[19:15:06]

hjohnson:

Dagmar: it's commflaged them...

[19:15:20]

Dagmar:

hjohnson: Grab the keyboard, and type 'e', then 'z', then 'e' again

[19:15:23]

fryfrog:

In my area, the analog signal is *ass*

[19:15:25]

|Torg|:

well kormoc you will notice that when I say its sucks its a matter of opionion

[19:15:29]

fryfrog:

the *digital* one is prestine of course

[19:15:41]

|Torg|:

I personaly would love to see Comcast go bankrupt

[19:15:47]

hjohnson:

heh, frined of mine has a DVB receiver hooked up... and discovered that almost all the digital cable was unencrypted dvb.

[19:15:53]

|Torg|:

but than again its my opinion

[19:15:57]

Dagmar:

I'm gonna order one of these $30 wireless RF keyboards I've found on NewEgg.

[19:16:18]

computron:

does satalite have a card yet?

[19:16:18]

hjohnson:

he could even watch other people doing VOD.. including this one person (assumedly a guy) who was fastforwarding through softcore. :P

[19:16:19]

Dagmar:

If it freaking works I'll wiki the thing

[19:16:27]

fryfrog:

ahahah

[19:16:32]

|Torg|:

dvb-s yes there are quite a few

[19:16:39]

fryfrog:

when i was

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kormoc:

computron, there's dvb cards if you want to capture from unencrypted satalites, aye

[19:16:48]

hjohnson:

there's a crapload of unscrambled dvb-s up there.

[19:16:56]

|Torg|:

if you want to get encrypted sataltie, you need a CI slot, but you cant for us sat like directtv or dishnet

[19:17:03]

hjohnson:

of course not much of it is worth watching if you don't speak spanish.

[19:17:05]

fryfrog:

when i was scanning dvb, i cought a ton of ppv and shit

[19:17:08]

fryfrog:

vod

[19:17:32]

computron:

i have some ideas of how to make some of this stuff im just wondering why someone else has not come out w/it

[19:17:41]

computron:

Id pay comcast 10 bux a month for a card

[19:17:41]

Dagmar:

computron: lawyers

[19:17:50]

hjohnson:

what Dagmar said.

[19:18:02]

|Torg|:

that and the MPAA

[19:18:02]

computron:

How would that be diffrent then dvr you know

[19:18:04]

fryfrog:

computron: pay them $10/mo for an HD tuner or HD DVR with firewire and use firewire on your pc

[19:18:04]

Beirdo:

scum-sucking lawyers :)

[19:18:22]

hjohnson:

fryfrog: as long as your cable co doesn't set the 4c? flag.

[19:18:31]

fryfrog:

5c flag, yeah thats true

[19:18:36]

computron:

fryfrog whats that

[19:18:36]

hjohnson:

right.

[19:18:36]

|Torg|:

I want a dvb-s card that does 8vsb and fastkey with a CI slot and nagra CAM

[19:18:38]

kormoc:

computron, in short, they don't want you to have your own dvr, so they'll make it as hard for you to do so as they can

[19:18:39]

fryfrog:

i guess you gotta give it a try and keep the fingers crossed

[19:18:39]

Dagmar:

Because these companies are hell bent to not let you have any DVR features unless they get paid for it as a premium service

[19:18:50]

hjohnson:

now... the telephone company's cable offering here is pretty interesting.

[19:18:55]

Dagmar:

They tried to make it a FELONY to use a DVR in a whole buncha states

[19:19:08]

hjohnson:

it punches out the video via multicast IP.

[19:19:08]

fryfrog:

lame

[19:19:17]

hjohnson:

h.264 video over multicast...

[19:19:17]

|Torg|:

HDTV = $$$$$, DVR = $$$$$

[19:19:23]

computron:

True

[19:19:27]

|Torg|:

you cant get someting for free if a company can make money off it

[19:19:37]

Dagmar:

The day after they got it on the docket in Tennesee, Comcast started airing commercials to the iDig customers for a PVR service unit

[19:19:39]

computron:

like i said id pay 10 bux a month for the card lol

[19:19:44]

|Torg|:

that would be like gee a normal cistizen having rights over a corporation, and that just plain not allowed

[19:20:14]

|Torg|:

Comcast has takejn fiar use and a law stating they MUST give access to mean "watch once"

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kormoc:

computron, sure, but what if you share to 10 friends so they no longer order cable?

[19:20:24]

|Torg|:

its the main reaosn I want Comcast to go fry in hell

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era|laptop:

how is Comcast in the way of HD channels?

[19:20:46]

kormoc:

|Torg|, do you ever *not* want someone to go fry in hell?

[19:20:46]

computron:

era|laptop terrible

[19:20:48]

|Torg|:

depends on where you are and whos cable they took over

[19:21:01]

xris:

era|laptop: no worse than other cable companies.. which is generally not so good.

[19:21:15]

|Torg|:

well kormoc your not on my fry in hell list, not yet lat least :P

[19:21:19]

era|laptop:

hm.

[19:21:23]

** kormoc laughs **

[19:21:26]

kormoc:

fair 'nuff

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era|laptop:

direct-tv any better?

[19:21:37]

hjohnson:

era|laptop: the problem is that most HD over cable is pretty low bitrate.

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kormoc:

era|laptop, can't really capture direct/dish HDTV

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hjohnson:

best bitrates I've seen for HD content are actually OTA channels.

[19:21:55]

Dagmar:

Do you really want HD shopping channel?

[19:21:58]

|Torg|:

directtc and dishnet are ird bound you cant legaly get the signal to the DVR at all, unless you want to framegrab with SD

[19:22:12]

Dagmar:

Comcast around here prioritizes bandwidth based on how many people are watching

[19:22:25]

|Torg|:

Comcast would rate limit the OTA channels and provide it in less quality

[19:22:35]

Dagmar:

Like the HBOs are full blast HD, but Shopping Channel takes up about a quarter of that

[19:22:36]

|Torg|:

that and they also encrypt them here and yes I know its illegal

[19:22:54]

hjohnson:

here, all HD is scrambled afaik

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hjohnson:

well, encrypted.

[19:23:08]

hjohnson:

and HD over cable is only 4 to 5mbps

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era|laptop:

thanks for the help. i have to leave, bye.

[19:23:24]

hjohnson:

satellite is 7 to 7 mbps, ota is 12 to 15mbps.

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|Torg|:

yes hjohnson

[19:23:52]

Dagmar:

I don't know that that's entirely correct, but my comcast guy isn't online right now to ask

[19:24:14]

hjohnson:

Dagmar: that's what shaw cable and say bell expressvu do here.

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computron:

so if i want to record to digital shows at the same time i have to have 2 digital boxes and 2 tuners available right?

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hjohnson:

computron: yes.

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|Torg|:

ues computron

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kormoc:

computron, aye

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hjohnson:

unless you hade a dvb card, and the two channels you wanted to watch were in the same dvb stream. :)

[19:25:10]

hjohnson:

well, dvb carrier.

[19:25:15]

hjohnson:

there's an exception to every rule.

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xris:

computron: yes. unless you have firewire, in which case you don't need the tuner, just the cable box.

[19:25:25]

|Torg|:

hjohnson my ATSC is 2250.0 kbyte/s for the video and 256.0 kbit/s for the audio

[19:25:34]

|Torg|:

it results in ~7G per hour

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Dagmar:

Think of it as a lottery, where if you can watch what you want, you've won

[19:25:42]

|Torg|:

but 12 – 15 mbps tho

[19:25:53]

Dagmar:

The rules are so complex as to be nearly entropy generation

[19:26:02]

hjohnson:

|Torg|: all I know is what the guys from the local tv station were telling me when I was training 'em on our sat gear.

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|Torg|:

I just took that from an ATSC bcast

[19:26:26]

hjohnson:

http://gallery.marspostcards.ca/MiscPhotos/Misc_Trips_011

[19:26:32]

hjohnson:

that's what I work with day in and day out.

[19:26:53]

Dagmar:

Too cold for me thanks

[19:27:03]

hjohnson:

heh, that's just the customer site.

[19:27:14]

hjohnson:

I've also been to the deserts to work on that thing.

[19:27:22]

Dagmar:

I was about to ask if that location were cleared, but Canada is a little less paranoid than the US

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hjohnson:

Dagmar: it's a tv station.

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|Torg|:

Dagmar I belive EVERY country is less paranoid

[19:27:56]

hjohnson:

non-military.

[19:28:09]

Dagmar:

Yeah but the equipment cases there made me wonder about that

[19:28:24]

hjohnson:

those are just the equipment that we sell commercially.

[19:29:44]

Dagmar:

Wow

[19:29:52]

Dagmar:

Amazing what the memory can do

[19:29:54]

Dagmar:

http://www.opencroquet.org/index.php/Image:Aqueduct.jpg

[19:29:57]

hjohnson:

but yes, the military aparently uses similar looking cases, which is why we accidentally got fedex'd a crate of weapons.

[19:29:58]

|Torg|:

hjohnson is that uplink equiment?

[19:30:02]

hjohnson:

|Torg|: yeah

[19:30:10]

Dagmar:

I just realized that's a reproduction from a portion of EverQuest II

[19:30:16]

legistrate:

Hello, I have a Kworld ATSC 110, and I am running Ubuntu. I am trying to finish mythtv-setup but in the input section I cant seem to find channels when scaning. If I use scantv, NTSC and Us-Cable finds channels. I set these parameters in General, but I cant seem to find a Frequency Table and ATSC Modulation combo that works(Ive tried most). Any suggestions?

[19:30:17]

computron:

i thought there was some law that said you have to be able to own the equipment that they rent right

[19:30:34]

hjohnson:

|Torg|: full motion, broadcast quality dvb-s uplink terminal that fits into those three grey cases.

[19:30:57]

|Torg|:

legistrate it does ATSC not NTSC not Cable

[19:31:03]

|Torg|:

you have to tell it to use ATSC

[19:31:11]

hjohnson:

http://gallery.marspostcards.ca/album01/Iraq_and_Afghanistan_102

[19:31:17]

hjohnson:

that one sort of symbolizes my whole trip.

[19:31:49]

Dagmar:

You couldn't pay me enough to go there without one of those

[19:32:05]

|Torg|:

one of that the cases or that snow :)

[19:32:34]

Dagmar:

The chick might come in handy, too

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hjohnson:

lol

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|Torg|:

whos foot is that hjohnson?

[19:33:09]

hjohnson:

which foot?

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hjohnson:

damn, gotta run.

[19:33:18]

hjohnson:

bbl

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|Torg|:

in the pictrure

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legistrate:

|Torg| I went into Gerneral options and changed to ATSC, but the scanning failed with "Cable" and "QAM-256", do you have any suggestions as to what setting to uses? And what is the significance of the "Channel Seporator"?

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Dagmar:

What's a shatter cone

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|Torg|:

no offhand legistrate I hvnt set up my cards in a long time, sounds like you filed to tell it your surce was atsc or set the card up correctly

[19:36:45]

|Torg|:

it shouldnt be asking you at all about cable, or qam

[19:36:58]

|Torg|:

not unless you connect it to digital cable and its a qam cap[able tuner

[19:37:56]

|Torg|:

what did you set as a listings source?

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legistrate:

|Torg|, it is a digitale capable tuner

[19:38:24]

legistrate:

but i am not using the digital connection, Im using the analog input

[19:38:26]

|Torg|:

is it connected to a digital cable source?

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legistrate:

I dont have a listing source yet

[19:38:51]

|Torg|:

you need one or it wont know what to tune into

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legistrate:

I dont beleive the source is digital cable

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|Torg|:

you have to tell it what kind of frequencies you want it to do, thats under the liting source

[19:39:34]

|Torg|:

what is connected to the card?

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legistrate:

I set the frequency table to us-cable in my temp source

[19:39:58]

legistrate:

but I havnt set up an XHTML feed for channel info

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|Torg|:

and what did you connect to it?

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legistrate:

a coaxial cable that is provided by my apartment complex for cable tv

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|Torg|:

unless that cable is connected to an antenna its not ATSC

[19:41:22]

legistrate:

Ok, its not

[19:41:24]

|Torg|:

its probably analog cable, may be digital cable

[19:41:36]

legistrate:

so the utility doesnt scan cable?

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|Torg|:

if you tell it a source, yes

[19:42:20]

legistrate:

is there a convinient way to convert a frequency table from the output of scantv to a channel.conf file?

[19:43:00]

legistrate:

When you say sorce are you refering to the type of connection, or a web feed that describes the channels?

[19:43:58]

legistrate:

because in the setup menu, source seems to be synonimous with requiring an XHTML feed from somewhere we I found a free listing of exactly what happens to be on my particular local flavor of our cable tv

[19:44:06]

legistrate:

and Im having trouble doing that

[19:44:42]

legistrate:

so I was hoping it could scan for channels like scantv as opposed to reling on a web feed to tell it the frequecys to use

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|Torg|:

under the capture card it should ask you want type it is, unles it determined it autmaticly

[19:45:01]

|Torg|:

under the source list it will give the frewquencied it ues, default is default, change it

[19:45:05]

|Torg|:

then go scan

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legistrate:

I set my card as a pcHDTV DTV capture card(/wV4L drivers)

[19:46:28]

|Torg|:

what did you set as a video source?

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legistrate:

In the source section there is a feild for the name of the source, lots of settings for an XMLTV listing grabber, and a drop down for channel frequency table, which I have set to us-cable

[19:47:16]

|Torg|:

what did you call the source?

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legistrate:

this option is also duplicated in the scan utility so I am confused on why the same option is set in some many places

[19:47:56]

legistrate:

source is "MyVidSource"

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|Torg|:

did you connect that to your capture card?

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legistrate:

Yes, I didnt specify a Display name, but in the area in which the sorce is connected to the input device, there is a scan for channels utility which I am trying to us

[19:49:05]

legistrate:

*use

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|Torg|:

and when you scan what happend?

[19:50:29]

legistrate:

also, real quick, is there a way to get my mouse cursor back, its very tricky to navigate with out it

[19:50:51]

legistrate:

It scans the first couple of channels and gets no signals

[19:51:04]

legistrate:

I have let it complete before, but now I usually stop it

[19:51:05]

|Torg|:

mythtv hav very limited mouse support

[19:51:17]

|Torg|:

it only works on a few screens and is diabled by default

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legistrate:

scantv finds several channels between 1 and 10

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|Torg|:

is this a HD-5500?

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legistrate:

no, it is a Kworld ATSC 110

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|Torg|:

and it found how many cable channels?

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legistrate:

mythtv found none

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legistrate:

scantv finds about 60, which should be about what I have

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|Torg|:

well first off its not a cable card

[19:55:11]

legistrate:

?

[19:55:14]

|Torg|:

secondly scantv only found the lower chanels becase i belive its an NTSC/ATSC card

[19:55:33]

|Torg|:

why did you think it could tune cable analog?

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legistrate:

I told scantv to treat it as NTSC, and I dont have premium cable so the lower ones are all I get anyhow

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legistrate:

scan tv finds more than cahnnels 1 through 10 btw, I was just saying that there were some in that range so I stoped scaning with MythTV when it couldnt find any in tat range

[19:57:25]

legistrate:

again scantv will find about 60 cahnnels, seperated, and some all the way up to 95ish

[19:57:26]

|Torg|:

well mythtv thinks its a ATSC/QAM card

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legistrate:

In the "General" options menu, it asks for TV Format, and I told it to use NTSC, and it also asks for the channel frequency table there too, and I told it us-cable

[20:00:01]

legistrate:

this is about three pages in the General options setup

[20:04:24]

legistrate:

But you are right, When I attempt to scan, it asks for a ATSC Modulation (or atleast thats what the fixed label says) so Im not sure it is can scan NTSC

[20:04:54]

|Torg|:

from the specs I can see it cant do analog under linux

[20:05:18]

|Torg|:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815100140

[20:05:24]

|Torg|:

read the comments

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legistrate:

Hmm, well http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Kworld_ATSC-110 and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Kworld_ATSC_110 indicate differently

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|Torg|:

then folow the wiki

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legistrate:

I am using Ubuntu 2.6.17

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legistrate:

I grabbed the latest version of MythTV with my package manager under Ubuntu

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|Torg|:

did you see what I posted about analog support is now in the SVN trunk?>

[20:15:00]

legistrate:

I did, and I tried the other port with not success, bt I didnt try it very extensivly. I am willing to trying it again, but I am thrown off my that fact that scantv finds all of my chgannels with it connected to the trunk that it is. Would the two programs act differently?

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abarbaccia:

hello all, what does "parser not found for codec" mean?

[20:38:55]

mcquaid:

hello, last night i had a power outage, and when launching my computer again, mythbackend seemed to keep grinding away until all my disc space was gone

[20:38:55]

|Torg|:

legistrate I doubt you will find the version yu need in any port of the program, your going to have to compile it yourself

[20:38:55]

mcquaid:

i only usually have about a gig free on this drive but i save nothing to it and now it's full

[20:38:55]

abarbaccia:

mcquaid: look at the backend logs

[20:38:55]

mcquaid:

i record my shows to a diff partition and i disabled binary logging ages ago

[20:38:55]

|Torg|:

mcquaid try du and go look for the things filling the drives

[20:38:55]

mcquaid:

well, i myself save nothing to this drive so i suspect myth

[20:38:55]

|Torg|:

before you suspect why dont you go look

[20:38:55]

legistrate:

the libmyth I am using is .20, is there a more recent one?

[20:38:55]

mcquaid:

it's been awhile since i had to fix something on this myth box. where is the mysql db actually stored again? I want to verify the db didn't get abnormally large or something

[20:38:55]

|Torg|:

depends legistrate

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mcquaid:

well one suspects, then they investigate what they suspect

[20:38:55]

mcquaid:

and that's what I'm trying to do

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legistrate:

|Torg|, 0.20–0.6

[20:38:55]

|Torg|:

like I said use du

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|Torg|:

legistrate you got that from a repository, right?

[20:38:55]

mcquaid:

well i'd rather not use du on this whole drive

[20:38:55]

|Torg|:

du -sk *

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mcquaid:

whats the default name of the mysql db?

[20:38:55]

legistrate:

|Torg|, correct

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GreyFoxx:

mcquaid: mythconverg

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mcquaid:

thx

[20:38:55]

|Torg|:

mythcopnverg

[20:38:55]

|Torg|:

ok legistrate you need to use the svn trunk, not a repo, not precompiled binaires, not what you have

[20:38:55]

|Torg|:

well according to the wiki you posted

[20:38:57]

Tbonius:

hello

[20:38:57]

Tbonius:

i have question about myth and snd_bt87x if anyone has time

[20:38:57]

kormoc:

you should just ask and see if anyone knows

[20:38:57]

Tbonius:

thank you

[20:38:57]

|Torg|:

aww kormoc I was goan make him wait :P

[20:38:57]

mcquaid:

hmm, mythconverg is only 53 megs, can't be that

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legistrate:

|Torg|, sorry, I misunderstood what you were saying before, so I need to compile the latest version of MythTV? Do I need to remove what I have currently then?

[20:38:57]

|Torg|:

Tbonius ill guarntee if you dont ask a questiuon you wont get it answered

[20:38:57]

mcquaid:

could binary logging have kicked in somehow? where is the binary log usually stored?

[20:38:57]

kormoc:

mcquaid, /var/lib/mysql/*-bin usually

[20:38:57]

mcquaid:

thx

[20:38:57]

kormoc:

*-bin.*

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kormoc:

actually

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|Torg|:

yes legistrate and yes you shold remove what is installed, do you know how to compile software and are comfortable with dev libs?

[20:38:58]

juski:

anyway why do we see so many "hey, mind if I ask a question?" type questions? Isn't that the quizzical equivalent of an oxymoron? ;)

[20:38:58]

gardengnome:

"yes. next!"

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|Torg|:

juski can I ask you a question?

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Tbonius:

I have a Hauppauge WinTV 401 and an Nforce2 audio chipset. I am attempting to use the snd_bt87x device as the audio in for the mythbackend. The OSS device is /dev/dsp1 which is present.. but when I attempt to use this device.. I get very slow video/audio.. as if the audio is the incorrect sample rate. I attempted to adjust the sample rate in the mythbackend as well as the frontend.. but to no avail.. yet a subsequent use of "

[20:38:58]

juski:

|Torg|: you just did. that was your one question :-P

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legistrate:

|Torg|, Not really, but Ill try to muddle through it. Do I just download the "trunk" source, do "make ./config" then "make" then "make install"?

[20:38:58]

|Torg|:

no juski I just wanted to know if I could, I dont have one tho :P

[20:38:58]

|Torg|:

no wait, yes I do

[20:38:58]

|Torg|:

why isnt bluootube green?

[20:38:58]

juski:

Tbonius: the max sampling rate you're likely to get is 32khz

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mcquaid:

no binary logs

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kormoc:

with purple pok-a-dots!

[20:38:58]

mcquaid:

hmm, i can't understand where a gig disappeared to

[20:38:58]

juski:

|Torg|: it's not green cos er...

[20:38:58]

juski:

erm...

[20:38:58]

|Torg|:

yes with poka-dots too :)

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juski:

I can't be bothered! ;)

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mcquaid:

any other suggestions of where I could look?

[20:38:58]

|Torg|:

ummm du *cough* *cough*

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juski:

I should write a book. I think I'll call it "the lazy community member"

[20:38:58]

Tbonius:

juski : right.. but 32khz isnt what I am seeing.. the audio sounds as if it is rendered in 8khz.. and I dont need to raise the maximum.

[20:38:58]

|Torg|:

can I do the prologure juski?

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kormoc:

juski, if you're lazy, then the rest of us are... what's lazier then lazy?

[20:38:58]

** kormoc ponders **

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juski:

Tbonius: you might be maxing out the pci bus (!)

[20:38:58]

Tbonius:

hmm

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|Torg|:

useless?

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kormoc:

ooh, there we go

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|Torg|:

although id consider myslef harmful, not useless :)

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juski:

Tbonius: try a lower capture resolution – set that in recording profiles

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Tbonius:

juski : even though a sample rate of 12khz works with aplay?

[20:38:58]

Tbonius:

I assume you mean the video capture resolution.. which is set to 480x480 presently

[20:38:58]

juski:

Tbonius: seriously – try lowering the capture resolution of the video. some bttv cards can't do more than 320x240

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legistrate:

leave #mythtv

[20:38:58]

Tbonius:

who?

[20:38:58]

legistrate:

me

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legistrate:

I joined both channels

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Beirdo:

ya forgot the /

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legistrate:

and I forgot the slash

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juski:

maybe there could be a #mythtv-noobs channel, which nobody takes any notice of. a bit like #linux

[20:38:58]

gardengnome:

heh

[20:38:58]

** Tbonius adjusts capture resolution, even though the card can do 640x480 **

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gardengnome:

or #ubuntu where just everyone whines and some very brave souls attempt to help people

[20:38:58]

|Torg|:

Juski I thought that was this channel

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xris:

juski: or we could just switch to #mythtv-dev and #mythtv, but isaac has never been favorable to that idea.

[20:38:58]

xris:

would certainly clear up a lot of user confusion

[20:38:58]

juski:

not as if there are that many people wander into #mythtv is it?

[20:38:58]

mcquaid:

and yes i'm trying du, just nothing standing out

[20:38:58]

xris:

juski: well, 5–10/day

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Tbonius:

juski: the capture resolution is apparently not affecting the slow audio/video sync. This is baffling, as I know the card used to work fine with the btaudio module

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computron:

ok everyone with the comcast box the one with all the ports on the back are they all accessable?

[20:40:35]

computron:

mine has usb ports on the back so im wondering if they are useable

[20:41:57]

computron:

and even a usb port

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computron:

err

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computron:

a eithernet port

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juski:

computron: probably not. infact more than likely not

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juski:

they're possibly only for the provider to issue software updates & stuff, if they're even usable at all

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Tbonius:

it seems as if the snd_bt87x module will only allow correct input at 12khz, yet Myth does not allow that option.. and defaults to only 8 khz while setting the maximum sample rate for this device at 32khz

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juski:

12khz? do you like AM radio quality sound? ;)

[20:46:10]

Tbonius:

this is for analog cable signal.. using a framegrabber.. in this case the Hauppauge WinTV 401 with btaudio.. it seems that the chip cant don any more than that

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juski:

nah I'd expect it to be able to do 32khz

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computron:

kinda stinks im wishing i could hook my external hd up to it and grab what i record

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Tbonius:

so would I..

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Tbonius:

but.. when I use 32khz.. it sounds like chipmunks

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Tbonius:

obviously that sample rate is too fast

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juski:

computron: my cable STB has USB & even a parallel port. neither of which are enabled

[20:47:47]

juski:

oh and an IR blaster socket. also disabled

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|Torg|:

does anyone here use fta dvb-s, I was thinking of gettig a nova-s but wanted some opinions

[20:51:51]

hjohnson:

grumble..

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hjohnson:

ok, the launch failure of NSS-8 is thwacking our primary customer now.

[20:52:40]

|Torg|:

why becase of the old 703?

[20:54:15]

hjohnson:

no, because Eutelsat sold the space they were using on sesat2

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aevil:

fta dvb-s? i use dvb-s

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hjohnson:

|Torg|: I uplink FTA DVB-S. :P

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|Torg|:

that should teach them not to sell their old house without having new one already :P

[20:55:46]

|Torg|:

yes hjohnson and I wana recive it, I was thinking with two nova-s-plus cards

[20:55:54]

hjohnson:

|Torg|: naw, our folks were just using occasional use time... Eutelsat has gone and sold up much of their remaining occasional time as a full time.

[20:56:06]

|Torg|:

I have a 2meter dish wich wshoudl be easy as hell to aim where I live

[20:56:06]

hjohnson:

|Torg|: I've had good success with the Novra S75 DVB-S->ethernet tuners.

[20:56:25]

hjohnson:

they just punch out the mpeg2 stream over IP.

[20:56:46]

|Torg|:

hmm I was thning of puting them into a box with 2 b2c2 atsc cards

[20:56:55]

|Torg|:

make it 4 card digital tv be

[20:57:32]

hjohnson:

all I know is that the s75 has worked well for us.. and I can snarf the stream with videolan

[20:58:17]

hjohnson:

I need to improve the cable run to my backend.. the analog quality right now is, well, sub-par.

[20:59:36]

hjohnson:

oh right, panamsat no longer exists

[20:59:59]

gardengnome:

hjohnson: how are you gonna integrate those ethernet tuners with mythtv? especially channel changing?

[21:00:45]

hjohnson:

gardengnome: channels on dvb-s is sort of rediculous though... because you really care about frequencies, symbol rates, and which stream within the carrier you're wanting.

[21:00:50]

mcquaid:

btw, i've been using an old bt878 for years. some channels it's ok, but it's colour and sharpness are kind of subpar

[21:01:05]

juski:

mcquaid: that's bt878 for yer

[21:01:19]

mcquaid:

i was going to get a hauppauge 350 but my friend has one and the picture didn't look much better

[21:01:20]

hjohnson:

gardengnome: though whatever sends the commands to say an ivtv card should also be able to fire off a command to the dvb-s receiver to tell it to change frequency/symbol rate.

[21:01:25]

juski:

they just shove A tuner on there as opposed to a good one

[21:01:38]

gardengnome:

hjohnson: right, you could make your own channel changer script.

[21:01:41]

juski:

bah don't go buying a 350 either. if you want to spend that much get a pvr500

[21:01:49]

mcquaid:

supposedly this is due to the analogue tuner shielding (amongst other things)

[21:02:07]

hjohnson:

I like my pvr500

[21:02:11]

mcquaid:

i remember reading of one tuner on a chip that doesn't require that shielding box

[21:02:11]

juski:

yes I know a 350 will let you use a 1Hz CPU, but that isn't the point ;)

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mcquaid:

ya i don't care about cpu usuage, well i do, but quality is more important

[21:02:33]

juski:

remember folks, a PC is no place for sensitive radio frequency devices ;)

[21:02:38]

fysa:

Does the HDHomeRun work with SD?

[21:02:43]

mcquaid:

if a 350 is going to look like my bt, whats the point

[21:02:52]

juski:

or audio frequency devices, come to think of it

[21:03:05]

juski:

mcquaid: keeping cpu usage low, especially if you ever want more than 1 tuner

[21:03:25]

mcquaid:

does anyone know about that tuner on a chip i'm talking about, i think philips made it

[21:03:31]

juski:

silicon tuners

[21:03:31]

hjohnson:

mcquaid: pretty much what juski said, but I wouldn't bother with the 350 unless you're dealing with a really really low powered machine.

[21:03:38]

juski:

they're sucky too, but in different ways

[21:04:09]

mcquaid:

yes cpu usuage is important, esp with multiple tuners, but right now i'm after picture quality

[21:04:15]

** hjohnson curses intelsat for changing all the satellite names. **

[21:04:18]

juski:

you can't beat a good old analogue design, especially if it's a good design

[21:04:44]

juski:

the only advantage digital offers you is lossless copying of a very lossy medium

[21:04:46]

hjohnson:

mcquaid: i'm pretty happy with the PVR cards quality wise.. the biggest issue is the cable i've run between my wall jack and where the ocmputer is.

[21:05:47]

fysa:

I love my PVR-500.

[21:05:55]

fysa:

with the Philips tuner..

[21:05:56]

hjohnson:

(the back-end recorder is living on my big-arsed server in the basement)

[21:06:06]

hjohnson:

fysa: yeah, I don't think I have the phillips tuners any more. :(

[21:06:22]

hjohnson:

unfortunately Hauppauge seems to change tuners as quickly as most people change underwear.

[21:06:25]

juski:

you folks who have hummy/noisy/shitty video need to examine your cabling schemes really. don't split more than once without an amp in-line, don't use crap cable & connectors, don't run them too close to power lines (at right angles if you can do that, that's best) and above all make sure you have good all-round grounding

[21:06:27]

mcquaid:

with the bt it depends on the brightness of the show, bright things like toons like south park look great. some darker live action shows look like crap

[21:06:57]

fysa:

After adding an amp, my system has been working flawlessly..

[21:06:57]

juski:

fyi you don't need to use 'monster' $$$$ cables either ;)

[21:07:33]

mcquaid:

looking at a pic of the 500, i see what looks like the tuner shielding box

[21:07:41]

hjohnson:

juski: yeah, I've got angled lines at 45 degrees up the screen...

[21:07:49]

juski:

and anybody who doubts me about the importance of grounding: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHb5KtVT9Fo

[21:07:59]

hjohnson:

it's a little odd.

[21:08:12]

hjohnson:

we've got really good cable but simple no-crimp f connectors.

[21:08:20]

mcquaid:

maybe i have my facts mixed up, i remember reading about a tuner on a chip that required no shielding box and wasn't as nearly as susceptible to interference

[21:08:21]

juski:

hjohnson: you got speed controlled fans? cheap PSU?

[21:08:38]

juski:

cheap case?

[21:08:46]

hjohnson:

juski: the fans are running flat-out, good quality case/psu

[21:08:51]

juski:

cheap motherboard? ;)

[21:08:53]

hjohnson:

well, Antec Titan 550 case.

[21:09:05]

hjohnson:

Asus motherboard.

[21:09:14]

|Torg|:

juski i didnt know you blogged your video to youtube :)

[21:09:15]

juski:

PCs are very hostile places for sensitive devices

[21:09:22]

hjohnson:

juski: yeah, totally.

[21:09:35]

hjohnson:

i'm just working th emath on what kind of frequency you'd need to generate that kind of interferance.

[21:10:02]

hjohnson:

actually that's not just a single frequency..

[21:10:04]

juski:

hell, tuner cards I've seen haven't got sufficient power supply decoupling to withstand being inside a noisy RF field

[21:10:08]

hjohnson:

it's harmonics, given the way that tv is encoded.

[21:10:23]

mcquaid:

are there any cards that use this?

[21:10:38]

fysa:

I don't have grounds at my house :(

[21:11:09]

juski:

hjohnson: my guess would be the PSU causing the lines, or noise on the PSU rails caused by a card with insufficient decoupling

[21:11:27]

juski:

Vcore regulators would be another suspect

[21:11:39]

hjohnson:

I should borrow one of the SAs from work

[21:11:58]

hjohnson:

we have this cute little hand-held anritsu

[21:12:04]

juski:

heh

[21:12:30]

juski:

soundcards are no better than tuner cards for being bad for noise immunity too

[21:12:44]

juski:

unless you pay $$$ for a good one

[21:12:45]

hjohnson:

juski: yeah, but I don't use the sound circuitry.

[21:12:50]

hjohnson:

heck I don't even know if it's hooked up.

[21:12:59]

fysa:

thankfully we have optical SPDIF now ;)

[21:13:06]

juski:

yup :)

[21:13:09]

hjohnson:

it's a socket 939 asus board.

[21:13:28]

hjohnson:

I managed to snag a free opteron cooler too, so my CPU stays nice and cool

[21:13:55]

juski:

most PC PSUs are evil, electrically noisy things, so it's up to the card designer to smooth it all out half the time

[21:14:17]

hjohnson:

CPU Temp: +34°C (low = +15°C, high = +45°C) sensor = thermistor

[21:14:24]

fysa:

Your video is noisy, hjohnson?

[21:14:29]

hjohnson:

juski: this is supposed to be a really good PSU

[21:14:29]

|Torg|:

my PSU isnt evil, its just misunderstood

[21:14:34]

juski:

I've been learning a bit about SMPSUs from one of the designers at work lately

[21:14:35]

hjohnson:

fysa: yeah.

[21:14:41]

fysa:

do you have an amp before your splitter?

[21:14:48]

juski:

hjohnson: it might well be in terms of how it handles loads

[21:14:51]

hjohnson:

I have a splitter/amp

[21:14:58]

fysa:

PVR-500?

[21:15:02]

hjohnson:

fysa: yeah

[21:15:09]

fysa:

test both inputs independently

[21:15:12]

hjohnson:

and I know about the bug related to the LNA

[21:15:15]

juski:

plus the spec doesn't exactly call for a very low noise floor on the PSU rails

[21:15:26]

fysa:

someone on here earlier was having noise on one input and not the other

[21:15:48]

fysa:

or is it just simply not working properly?

[21:15:49]

juski:

hell if you don't tighten a screw down on a bracket enough it could cause problems

[21:16:48]

fysa:

At one point, I upgraded IVTV and it no longer correctly identified my tuner version.

[21:16:49]

juski:

you know what'd be really good? external firewire tuners ;) not sure folks would be happy with DV capture sizes though ;)

[21:16:59]

fysa:

Just enough to 'work,' but it looked horrible.

[21:17:12]

fysa:

I had to specify cardtype= or some such in the modprobe conf.

[21:17:20]

juski:

I've never even tested the tuner on my pvr card

[21:17:36]

fysa:

juski: HDHomerun would be *perfect* if they had the SD tuner enabled and onboard MPEG2-encoding.

[21:18:00]

hjohnson:

fysa: yeah, there was a bug in ivtv < 0.8.0 where it wouldn't turn on one of the LNAs

[21:18:23]

juski:

and the reason USB tuners aren't always the answer to noise problems is that they're more often than not powered by the host

[21:18:33]

fysa:

dual tuner HD/QAM/ATSC -> ethernet

[21:19:00]

legistrate:

I am trying to run ./configure for the MythTV source, but it says that I dont have LAME installed, but the package amnager shows several LAME libs and bases that are installed, any idea of what the problem might be?

[21:19:17]

juski:

libmp3lame-dev ?

[21:19:21]

fysa:

look for mp3*dev or *lame-dev packages

[21:20:25]

gardengnome:

looks like you can run mythtv on one of those "one laptop per child" devices: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=876jZuLhsbU&am . . . &search=

[21:20:28]

hjohnson:

looking at the dmesg output for ivtv, not sure where to tell which tuner I actually have.

[21:21:03]

hjohnson:

I can see the initialization for I2C

[21:22:22]

fysa:

juski, you see how drupal's garland theme works? holy cow is that cool.

[21:22:36]

hjohnson:

so the ivtvdriver folks are going to be able to include firmware.. cool

[21:22:42]

juski:

yeh it's nice

[21:22:44]

fysa:

cat /var/log/boot.msg | grep ivtv

[21:22:54]

juski:

omg this is funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbItoJlfSyI&am . . . &search=

[21:22:56]

fysa:

<6>ivtv0: Autodetected Hauppauge card (cx23416 based)

[21:22:56]

fysa:

<6>cx2388x dvb driver version 0.0.6 loaded

[21:22:56]

fysa:

<6>ivtv0: loaded v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw firmware (262144 bytes)

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fysa:

http://acko.net/garland/?q=admin/build/themes/settings/garland

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fysa:

the entire theme goes into a single png -> http://acko.net/garland/themes/garland/color/base.png

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hjohnson:

crap, there's another mysql update.

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stuarta:

hi ho everyone.....

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juski:

hiya stuarta

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stuarta:

i've been and had a few theraputic beers with a mate....

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juski:

yay for beers!

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stuarta:

it's good to have beers with the "boys" and leave the girlies at home

[21:28:32]

hjohnson:

stuarta: also good to bring the girlies alon gand have beers with 'em.

[21:29:03]

stuarta:

true, this was however an exception and not the norm, so it was good for a change

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orzel:

hello. I want to use an old computer as a kind of media box. I'm considering mythtv and have a few questions.

[21:36:15]

orzel:

First, i dont care about tv, i mostly want to play divx, dvd, mp3, ogg and watch images.

[21:36:41]

hjohnson:

orzel: then mythtv probably isn't really the best tool for the job.

[21:36:43]

juski:

so forget about mythtv then. use geexbox or freevo, or xmms :)

[21:36:43]

orzel:

and it seems mythv is especially geared toward tv. Do you agree with that ? would you suggest another software ?

[21:36:48]

orzel:

mmh.

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hjohnson:

though I don't know wha twould be.

[21:37:08]

|Torg|:

plain linux and mplayer will do that

[21:37:24]

computron:

orzel yea xmms would do it fine

[21:37:25]

|Torg|:

freevo if you want a nice wrapper arround it

[21:37:30]

orzel:

my provider (french ISP "free") provides TV stream using rtp, can that be used by mythtv ?

[21:37:48]

orzel:

computron: i dont want mouse/keyboard, i want a settopbox, not a computer.

[21:38:08]

orzel:

|Torg|: freevo, ok i'll have a look.

[21:38:08]

Zider:

xmms can be controlled with remote :P

[21:38:27]

orzel:

(but people still use this ugly xmms?)

[21:38:28]

computron:

orzel xmms on an xbox would work for what you want

[21:38:33]

Tbonius:

so can mplayer..

[21:38:36]

computron:

trye

[21:38:39]

computron:

true

[21:38:48]

Tbonius:

orzel : check out irexec

[21:38:53]

orzel:

you can't browse files with remote control using mplayer, can you ?

[21:38:57]

Tbonius:

yes

[21:39:06]

|Torg|:

sure you can its called cd and ls

[21:39:17]

computron:

you just have to program the remote control

[21:39:19]

orzel:

or i would need hours of tweaking, which is what freevo or mythtv is suppose to do, no?

[21:39:34]

orzel:

mm, i'm gonna try freevo then

[21:40:12]

Tbonius:

ok this is burning my brain... I cannot get a higher sample rate than 12khz off the PCM device for the bt87x module

[21:40:15]

juski:

xmms is ok too

[21:42:31]

juski:

it's no competition for XBMC though ;)

[21:42:43]

Beirdo:

there

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stuarta:

here

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Beirdo:

just copied my IR transmitter schematic into my notebook so I don't lose it again

[21:43:28]

stuarta:

good plan! How's the puppy?

[21:43:38]

|Torg|:

hope is copying a schemnatic suposed to help yu keep track of your notbook?

[21:43:41]

Beirdo:

pretty good most of the time :)

[21:43:53]

Beirdo:

well, I had it on a sheet of paper before

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stuarta:

standard puppy then :)

[21:44:08]

Beirdo:

I use the notebook almost all the time for notes when programming, etc

[21:44:22]

|Torg|:

you put your laptop on sheet of paper? why not put it on a desk or table?

[21:44:22]

Beirdo:

yeah, the puppy's fairly standard. but cute

[21:44:27]

Beirdo:

she's getting BIG though

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stuarta:

it happens. puppy + food = dog :)

[21:45:08]

Beirdo:

|Torg|, notebook... as in a book of notes... in this case, a sketchbook of about 5"x9"

[21:45:39]

|Torg|:

ahh mine is 8.5"x11"

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Beirdo:

yeah, she's growing pretty fast (as is to be expected). I think all of the uber-sharp puppy teeth are out now

[21:45:56]

kormoc:

uh oh

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Beirdo:

about 6–7 months old

[21:46:19]

Beirdo:

hehe, her bites don't hurt half as much anymore

[21:46:27]

Beirdo:

nor are they quite as common

[21:46:36]

Beirdo:

she's learning, but dammit she's willful

[21:46:40]

stuarta:

but still likes chewing on things i'll bet

[21:46:49]

Beirdo:

only a few things...

[21:46:52]

Beirdo:

like my hand

[21:46:53]

Beirdo:

heh

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stuarta:

hehe

[21:47:03]

Beirdo:

and anything that's in a trashbin

[21:47:07]

Beirdo:

little bastard

[21:47:13]

Beirdo:

but shoes are safe

[21:47:18]

Beirdo:

surprisingly enough

[21:47:24]

stuarta:

that's an improvement...

[21:47:39]

Beirdo:

that's better than most puppies for sure

[21:48:57]

Beirdo:

she can be tiring though, that's for sure. And now that I'm looking for employment, she'll have to get more used to being home alone

[21:49:19]

kormoc:

nah, just make her the office puppy

[21:49:26]

Beirdo:

got a doghouse to design and build so she can stay in the backyard when we are at work instead of locked in the hallway

[21:50:24]

Beirdo:

designing the doghouse to be modular as we do intend to get at least one more dog later

[21:50:33]

stuarta:

dogs should definitely live outside if it's warm enough...

[21:50:35]

Beirdo:

modular and easy to reproduce :)

[21:50:46]

Beirdo:

oh, it's warm enough, but she enjoys being with her people

[21:50:54]

Beirdo:

I don't mind her sleeping in the bed either

[21:50:59]

stuarta:

how else do they get to be guard dog :)

[21:51:14]

Beirdo:

oh God.. Labs make shitty guard dogs :)

[21:51:35]

stuarta:

options: 1. attack 2. lick

[21:51:46]

stuarta:

labs will always go for 2 :)

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|Torg|:

3. retrieve

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stuarta:

4. play with me

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Beirdo:

yeah, she's a greeter, not an attacker

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stuarta:

3 is for retrievers :-P

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|Torg|:

what do you think a labridor is :P

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Beirdo:

oh, she's a retriever (although not purebred)

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Beirdo:

this neighborhood has many retrievers.

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stuarta:

retriever = fluffly labrador....

[21:54:15]

stuarta:

fluffy

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Beirdo:

like 4 golden retrievers, and our black lab mutt and the neighbor's chocolate lab mutt

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Beirdo:

who I call "stumpy" on account of his... Harry Seacombe physique

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stuarta:

haha

[21:55:39]

Beirdo:

labrador retrievers are the most common breed registered in both the UK and the US, apparently :)

[21:55:52]

Beirdo:

and... They are a Canadian breed. Go, Canada.

[21:56:15]

** stuarta sings blame canada **

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Beirdo:

hehe

[21:56:45]

Beirdo:

well, blame Newfoundland... which was technically not part of Canada yet when they bred them... so blame England

[21:57:00]

Beirdo:

it was England's colony after all :)

[21:57:03]

stuarta:

they will do...

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Zider:

golden retrievers are statistically the most dangerous dogs.. for humans at least.. :P

[21:57:18]

jduggan:

wtf?

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Beirdo:

how so?

[21:57:22]

jduggan:

golden retrievers?

[21:57:26]

jduggan:

compared to say, a rottweiler?

[21:57:31]

Zider:

yes

[21:57:37]

kormoc:

Beirdo, they steal gold and get the owners in trouble

[21:57:38]

fryfrog:

is it because of sheer numbers?

[21:57:38]

Beirdo:

I guess licking is considered dangerous

[21:57:44]

jduggan:

or bull terriers

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Zider:

they're bred to insanity, basically

[21:57:49]

stuarta:

do you class being licked to death as a way to die??

[21:58:00]

fryfrog:

i've never met a mean golden :/

[21:58:05]

jduggan:

my mate has a chow

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Beirdo:

I have never yet met a golden that was off-kilter

[21:58:11]

jduggan:

now they're nice big dogs

[21:58:17]

jduggan:

(think thats the right spelling)

[21:58:24]

Beirdo:

aye

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Zider:

fryfrog: they aren't usually "mean", but they can snap and start biting all of a sudden

[21:58:31]

fryfrog:

the only way i think a golden or a lab could hurt you is entirely on accidnt :/

[21:58:36]

Beirdo:

my wife's parents have an Akita. another big dog

[21:58:46]

fryfrog:

most of the *labs* i know are excited and *big* :)

[21:58:58]

Beirdo:

a very poorly trained retriever may bite eventually as they will be quite shy

[21:58:59]

fryfrog:

with tails that can cause bruises when they are really happy

[21:59:05]

Beirdo:

god, yeah

[21:59:09]

Beirdo:

those tails hurt

[21:59:10]

Beirdo:

;)

[21:59:13]

stuarta:

excited is why they hurt people, with friendlyness

[21:59:18]

fryfrog:

and knock stuff off tables :p

[21:59:35]

stuarta:

hardly dangerous :)

[21:59:35]

Beirdo:

our puppy is SO well behaved at the vet

[21:59:59]

Zider:

well statistically at least golden retrievers are the breed that most often bites humans.. in percent of that race, that is..

[21:59:59]

Beirdo:

she sits quietly and happily wags her tail at every dog and every human

[22:00:03]

Beirdo:

and ignores the cats

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stuarta:

good doggie

[22:00:18]

Zider:

incidentally, pitbull terriers are on place 4, from the bottom.. :D

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jduggan:

Zider: hah, if you were in the UK.. all the stories lately about children.. sometimes getting savaged to death by those dogs

[22:00:52]

jduggan:

its insane

[22:00:58]

jduggan:

adults too

[22:00:59]

Beirdo:

we sit at the vet waiting for... like 2.5h

[22:01:03]

jduggan:

although i dont think they killed any adults

[22:01:13]

fryfrog:

"The chances that the victim of a fatal dog attack will be a burglar are one in 177; the odds that it will be a child are 7 out of 10."

[22:01:14]

Zider:

jduggan: that's mostly because of bad training

[22:01:26]

Beirdo:

and the two best behaved dogs there... our lab mutt puppy, and a purebred chocolate lab that was right next to us

[22:01:28]

jduggan:

Zider: no, i disagree

[22:01:41]

jduggan:

Zider: its actually because of good training

[22:01:45]

fryfrog:

"According to the Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes are responsible for 74% of attacks that were included in the study, 68% of the attacks upon children, 82% of the attacks upon adults, 65% of the deaths, and 68% of the maimings."

[22:01:52]

jduggan:

Zider, the dogs that do these things are trained to do it by their owners

[22:01:54]

Zider:

jduggan: well, "bad" in the way of safety :)

[22:01:58]

jduggan:

Zider: nod

[22:02:13]

hjohnson:

fryfrog: never mind that most dog bites come from golden labs and what not.

[22:02:28]

jduggan:

the only people keeping pitbull terriers are probably the kind to want to use them for something more than just a homely pet

[22:02:38]

jduggan:

more of a matcho status

[22:02:40]

jduggan:

imo

[22:02:53]

Beirdo:

anyways, we are considering (like in a year or so) getting a breeding pair of golden retrievers :)

[22:02:56]

Beirdo:

heh

[22:03:07]

Beirdo:

and NOT brother and sister, dammit

[22:03:18]

Beirdo:

we aren't breeding Alabama dogs

[22:03:19]

Zider:

pitbulls and similar "fight dogs" are historically trained to attack _other dogs_ but never _people_ .. those that DO attack people have been trained to do it..

[22:03:22]

** Beirdo ducks **

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Zider:

pitbull terriers, properly trained, are actually very good family dogs

[22:04:20]

fryfrog:

i don't see any mention of golden's being "bite problems" :/

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Beirdo:

until they go apeshit and attack their owners

[22:04:40]

Beirdo:

pitbulls are known for that in some areas

[22:04:50]

Zider:

fryfrog: no because all dangerous dogs are branded "pitbulls", and goldens are too cute to be in the media as dangerous dogs

[22:05:04]

Zider:

media suck

[22:05:27]

Zider:

even on animal planet they can't get it right

[22:05:31]

Beirdo:

if they were so dangerous a breed... why would golden retrievers be the dog of choice for seeing eye dogs, drug dogs, etc?

[22:05:48]

Zider:

Beirdo: easy to train?

[22:05:59]

hjohnson:

because no one expects the cute, friendly one.

[22:05:59]

Beirdo:

smart, good natured, and loving

[22:06:17]

** hjohnson had a beagle.. great dog, stubborn as a mule. **

[22:06:20]

fryfrog:

Zider: you have an article you are getting this from?

[22:06:50]

Beirdo:

hjohnson, heheh. beagles are rated one of the stupidest breeds. Just above their cousins the basset hound, IIRC

[22:06:56]

Beirdo:

beagles are cute though

[22:07:04]

fryfrog:

I honestly don't care about little bites

[22:07:13]

Beirdo:

me neither

[22:07:14]

fryfrog:

every animal *can* bite

[22:07:27]

Beirdo:

I'm trying to train our dog not to bite at all though

[22:07:30]

** stuarta prefers basset hounds **

[22:07:31]

Zider:

fryfrog: not one, but several, plus dog breeding and training aquaintances including my ex

[22:07:31]

fryfrog:

and a lot of the time, they give warning and its the person *bitten* who is at fault

[22:07:33]

hjohnson:

Beirdo: it's actually not stupidity.

[22:07:38]

hjohnson:

Beirdo: that study rated trainability.

[22:07:39]

Beirdo:

some stupid kid will get bit otherwise

[22:07:41]

kRutOn:

beirdo: train him to sip his food through a straw

[22:07:48]

Zider:

fryfrog: my ex used to work especially with problematic dogs

[22:07:51]

fryfrog:

ah

[22:07:55]

hjohnson:

beagles are actually inredibly intelligent.. you should see how good they are at problem solving and escaping.

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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hjohnson:

however, you'd have an easier time training a fence post.

[22:08:17]

Beirdo:

it's an escape dog... All prisoners want them

[22:08:19]

hjohnson:

at least the fence post will stya.

[22:08:24]

Zider:

she had a staff, cutest dog I ever seen :D

[22:08:38]

hjohnson:

er stay

[22:09:07]

hjohnson:

but yeah, you'd say, hide a treat in a place that took a lot of effort and intricate things to get at, and it wouldn't take long to figure it out.

[22:09:33]

Beirdo:

yeah, I'd bet not :)

[22:10:33]

Zider:

hah, I just read something on wikipedia about goldens.. "The female dogs like to suck the balls of the males when they first meet."

[22:10:50]

Zider:

I bet many guys wish women were more like goldens ;)

[22:10:56]

Beirdo:

ummm, wonder where they got that from

[22:11:22]

Zider:

dunno, I never take anything at wikipedia as universal truth

[22:11:28]

Zider:

but it's usually true

[22:11:40]

Beirdo:

when properly edited, it's a great resource

[22:11:48]

Beirdo:

but too many lameasses pollute it

[22:11:53]

Zider:

heh, yeah

[22:12:01]

legistrate:

I just compile and did a make install on the trunk source grabbed with svn, and when I try to run mythtv-setup I get an error when it trys to load library libmythtv-0.20.so.0

[22:13:48]

legistrate:

Is .20 the latest version? I previously had .20 installed on my system, but I thought I have removed all of the packages I had installed.

[22:13:58]

Zider:

I'd love to have a staff, but I'm not the right kind of person to take care of a dog

[22:14:07]

Zider:

anyhoo, very offtopic there

[22:14:11]

Zider:

EOD ;)

[22:14:23]

legistrate:

Is it likly that there is a reference to the old install, or prolly just didnt put the new lib in the right spot?

[22:14:47]

fryfrog:

you need to make install mythtv, then make install the plugins

[22:14:57]

fryfrog:

er, make *and* make install the plugins after installing mythtv

[22:15:00]

Beirdo:

likely you need to add /usr/local/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf and run ldconfig

[22:15:03]

fryfrog:

oh

[22:15:11]

fryfrog:

nm, mythtv-config has nothing to do w/ plugins :p

[22:17:36]

Tbonius:

someone here has to be using btaudio (snd_bt87x)

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legistrate:

that was it, thx

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Beirdo:

no prob

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legistrate:

Ok, im back in the setup and I have the same tuning issue I did before. I still cant seem to tune to the frequency I need

[22:21:56]

legistrate:

What is Cable IRC?

[22:22:03]

legistrate:

and HRC

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legistrate:

Im assume cable would not appear under broadcast...

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hjohnson:

grumble.

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legistrate:

I am having trouble starting my backend, when I call /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start, and then read tail -f /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log, it says that Access is denied for mythtv at local host. BY I can log into mysqlas mythtv with the password mythtv

[22:45:55]

legistrate:

so Im not sure why the backend is unable to log into mysql

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legistrate:

I just deleted the log and tryed starting it again

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legistrate:

there are no errors

[22:49:44]

legistrate:

but ps -A | grep myth shows nothing

[22:51:49]

fryfrog:

does anyone know of an 8 port sata controller that isn't an expensive raid conroller?

[22:51:51]

fryfrog:

that works well with linux

[22:53:32]

Zider:

dunno about expensive, but most raid cards can work as a normal controller

[22:54:12]

hjohnson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfLEetTVk4U hee hee, it's finally made it onto the public internet

[22:55:52]

Zider:

hjohnson: which one is you?

[22:56:00]

hjohnson:

i'm not one of 'em.

[22:56:12]

hjohnson:

that video was just being passed around when I was there.

[22:56:15]

hjohnson:

i'm a civilian.

[22:56:24]

Zider:

ah

[22:56:42]

Zider:

so it's not actually you that makes it onto the pubic interweb ;)

[22:58:01]

hjohnson:

hah, no.

[22:58:45]

Zider:

well, good that you weren't ione of them then :)

[22:58:50]

hjohnson:

hehe

[22:59:44]

fryfrog:

i seem to remember someone in here wanting to replace all their 320G drives with bigger ones, i don't spose that person is around?

[23:00:10]

kormoc:

fryfrog, I want to replace my 320's, but not sure if you're refering to me

[23:00:15]

hjohnson:

fryfrog: it might have been me, just being a little on the silly side.

[23:00:22]

hjohnson:

(I do have 5 320GB drives in an array)

[23:00:48]

fryfrog:

do either of you have WD drives?

[23:00:53]

kormoc:

I do

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fryfrog:

cause who ever it was just happened to have the same...

[23:01:00]

fryfrog:

ah, must have been you!

[23:01:10]

hjohnson:

yeah, I have seagates

[23:01:14]

fryfrog:

were you *really* interested in selling em?

[23:01:22]

fryfrog:

i *wish* i'd just gone ahead and went with the seagates :)

[23:01:30]

Zider:

I have both seagate and wd

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fryfrog:

all in the same array?

[23:01:46]

fryfrog:

not that there is really anything wrong with that

[23:01:47]

Zider:

array?

[23:01:58]

fryfrog:

oh, nm :)

[23:02:01]

Zider:

:P

[23:02:13]

fryfrog:

hey, the 0.20 -fixes svn branch doesn't support multiple recording dirs, right?

[23:02:17]

kormoc:

fryfrog, depends on the price I'd supose

[23:02:42]

fryfrog:

what would you want? 320s are at or below $100 *new* as it is

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fryfrog:

and i *seem* to remember that you had like 5 or 6? or more?

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fryfrog:

i honestly couldn't afford all of em :)

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kormoc:

fryfrog, My drives are 2x Model: WDC WD3200JD-00K Rev: 08.0 and 1x Model: WDC WD3200JD-22K Rev: 08.0

[23:03:19]

fryfrog:

humm, maybe it was someone else then?

[23:03:24]

kormoc:

could be

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kormoc:

cause yeah, I only have 3

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kormoc:

fryfrog, yeah, they're $90 new on newegg

[23:04:26]

kormoc:

I doubt it's worth buying used ones

[23:04:58]

fryfrog:

WD3200JD-00KLB0 looks like

[23:05:11]

juski:

well, time for bed. g'night all

[23:05:18]

fryfrog:

are mine

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hjohnson:

ok, knoppmyth was working pretty well last night.. except it didn't like my wireless card, didn't autosetup alsa, or anything like that.

[23:08:18]

hjohnson:

oddly

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fryfrog:

kormoc: what were you thinking of replacing the 320s with?

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era|laptop:

mm

[23:16:03]

kormoc:

fryfrog, 500's

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hjohnson:

heh, if I were to upgrade my disk space, I'd just add another array. <G>

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r3z`:

nuvexport is slow!

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fryfrog:

kormoc: what would you consider fair for your 320s? what is their approx uptime (accurate to 2–3 months maybe)? and how long til their warrenty expires?

[23:35:09]

fryfrog:

my thought would be something in the $40–50 range, if they are more than about 6–12 months old?

[23:35:13]

fryfrog:

maybe?

[23:38:00]

planktonboy:

hi all

[23:38:12]

fryfrog:

hi you!

[23:38:45]

planktonboy:

hi fryfrog

[23:40:10]

kormoc:

fryfrog, Hrm... Jun 29 2005 was the purchase date, 24x7 uptime from that point on

[23:40:24]

planktonboy:

Well good news is since last time I spoke with you I've managed to sort most of my myth issues out and now its sitting in the corner of the living room and using properly..next thing is to invest in a new tv when I've figured out which one to get

[23:40:27]

fryfrog:

wow, so almost 2 years :)

[23:40:36]

fryfrog:

and i *think* they had a 3 year warrenty?

[23:40:41]

fryfrog:

how many of em have you had to RMA?

[23:40:48]

fryfrog:

2 out of my 5 have been rma'd already :(

[23:40:53]

fryfrog:

one after 6 mo, one after 12mo

[23:41:49]

hjohnson:

I should start smart logging my drives.

[23:41:55]

fryfrog:

i know it wasn't you i was talking to then

[23:42:06]

fryfrog:

cause the dude i'm pretty sure had like 6 of them and he'd already rma'd like 3

[23:43:04]

kormoc:

fryfrog, http://pastebin.ca/368296

[23:43:09]

kormoc:

fryfrog, they're all similar

[23:43:42]

fryfrog:

man, the jump in price from 4 sata ports -> 8 sata ports is big :p

[23:43:54]

kormoc:

1.34 years of life left according to smart's guessm and low smart warnings, as you can see

[23:44:07]

fryfrog:

ah, cool :)

[23:44:08]

planktonboy:

do any of you guys know if its possible to add a third party visualization plugin to mythmusic..I sort of figured if Goom and those other visuals ran in mythmusic then it should be possible to add another one, in particular Project M which is the best visualization plugin I have used for Linux

[23:44:18]

hjohnson:

kormoc: how do you get those tools?

[23:44:22]

hjohnson:

er readings..

[23:44:24]

planktonboy:

do any of you guys know if its possible to add a third party visualization plugin to mythmusic..I sort of figured if Goom and those other visuals ran in mythmusic then it should be possible to add another one, in particular Project M which is the best visualization plugin I have used for Linuxoops

[23:44:25]

** hjohnson mucks with smartmon **

[23:44:29]

kormoc:

hjohnson, smartctl --all /dev/sda

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fryfrog:

smartctl

[23:44:38]

fryfrog:

bah

[23:44:39]

fryfrog:

you might need "-d ata"

[23:44:45]

planktonboy:

sorry...I messed that thread up

[23:44:46]

fryfrog:

depending on kernel and version of smarttools

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kormoc:

heh, depending on the version, aye

[23:45:28]

kormoc:

hjohnson, smartd also has monitoring, so it emails me whenever it hits a set value of errors or a selftest fails or what not, it's quite nice

[23:45:29]

planktonboy:

should have been sent the other way around

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fryfrog:

planktonboy: i dunno, i've never seen anyone try to use 3rd party vis in mythmusic :(

[23:46:33]

GreyFoxx:

smartd's monitoring has saved my ass many times with dying drives

[23:46:41]

kormoc:

fryfrog, expires 7/9/2008

[23:46:49]

fryfrog:

ah

[23:47:19]

fryfrog:

smart hasn't tended to do much for me, by the time i notice it has already dropped from the raid array and its cat /proc/mdstat that tells me :)

[23:47:21]

kormoc:

fryfrog, western digital has a warranty check thing, enter the serial number and it tells you when it expires

[23:47:33]

fryfrog:

ah, cool :)

[23:47:46]

fryfrog:

can you get the serial from smartctl?

[23:47:53]

hjohnson:

kormoc: yeah, jus tlooking at smartctl output

[23:47:53]

kormoc:

yes you can

[23:48:05]

hjohnson:

don't see where it says where it gueeses remaining time

[23:48:08]

kormoc:

fryfrog, it's in the START OF INFORMATION SECTION

[23:48:25]

kormoc:

hjohnson, SMART Self-test log structure

[23:48:38]

kormoc:

hjohnson, the LifeTime(hours) col is it's best guess from the last self test

[23:48:44]

planktonboy:

yeah...Ive searched loads of pages on google and no mentionother than 1 hack for using it with a slideshow..but was a bit over the top for me

[23:49:17]

hjohnson:

ahhh

[23:49:20]

fryfrog:

humm, any way to tell if a drive is sata I or II?

[23:49:38]

hjohnson:

yeah, it's not running self tests

[23:49:51]

kormoc:

fryfrog, mine are sata 1 I believe

[23:50:00]

fryfrog:

ah, that means mine are too :)

[23:50:05]

kormoc:

hjohnson, ahh, need to enable them in the smartd.conf and have smartd run on bootup

[23:50:09]

fryfrog:

good cause the sata 1 pci cards are like $40 cheaper :p

[23:50:23]

kormoc:

heh

[23:50:32]

kormoc:

sata2 drives tend to clock back :P

[23:50:34]

|Torg|:

kormoc how do you see how much time the drive has with smartctl?

[23:50:57]

kormoc:

|Torg|, SMART Self-test log structure

[23:50:59]

fryfrog:

13081

[23:51:01]

fryfrog:

that?

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kormoc:

the LifeTime(hours) col is it's best guess from the last self test

[23:51:14]

planktonboy:

ah well.. Goom it is for the time being then :

[23:51:31]

fryfrog:

1.5 years on my 80G

[23:51:43]

|Torg|:

ahh ok my ide drives dont have logging, just testing

[23:51:58]

hjohnson:

kormoc: hmm.

[23:52:06]

planktonboy:

I guess it would require writing a patch and rebuilding mythmusic

[23:52:06]

hjohnson:

kormoc: now will the extended diagnostics muck with the RAID?

[23:52:20]

fryfrog:

damn, 2 of my drives are guessing at less than a year!

[23:52:32]

fryfrog:

hjohnson: you point it at your /dev/sda or /dev/hda

[23:52:35]

planktonboy:

just thought that there might have been an easier way

[23:52:37]

fryfrog:

not at the /dev/md shit

[23:52:57]

kormoc:

hjohnson, nah, notice my post, it has the extended was interupted?

[23:53:28]

|Torg|:

mine claim .72119 and .96891

[23:53:38]

|Torg|:

they ran out of waranty at least 2 years back tho :)

[23:53:39]

hjohnson:

ah yes.

[23:53:39]

kormoc:

hjohnson, that's cause the raid was woken up during the extended test and thus it was shoved aside

[23:54:24]

hjohnson:

<3 LVM

[23:54:30]

hjohnson:

I'm thinking about switching to XFS

[23:54:37]

fryfrog:

kormoc: is yours set to periodically do the short/extended tests?

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fryfrog:

hjohnson: from what?

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hjohnson:

ext3

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

i <3 xfs :)

[23:55:00]

fryfrog:

at least, for my huge partitions

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hjohnson:

I honestly don't think I'll ever need to shrink my media partiiton.

[23:55:09]

fryfrog:

i like reiser for "system"

[23:55:18]

fryfrog:

yeah, shrinking is for pussies :)

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hjohnson:

fryfrog: yeah, i'm running a 738GB ext3 partition right now.

[23:55:20]

kormoc:

fryfrog, aye, I do

[23:55:31]

kormoc:

"Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled."

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fryfrog:

1.2TB xfs parition

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kormoc:

I do love this

[23:55:46]

fryfrog:

i like xfs_fsr :)

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kormoc:

Raw_Read_Error_Rate Raw_Value 0

[23:56:06]

kormoc:

Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0

[23:56:12]

kormoc:

Seek_Error_Rate 0

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kormoc:

it's a perfect drive so far :P

[23:56:48]

fryfrog:

Conveyance offline

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fryfrog:

recall what that is?

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fryfrog:

any CRC DMA errors?

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hjohnson:

ok..

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kormoc:

UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0

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fryfrog:

199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x003e 200 200 000 Old_age Always – 1

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hjohnson:

i need to figure out if I need the -d sat in there.

[23:57:38]

fryfrog:

got one drive with 1 error on that

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fryfrog:

must be the one that dropped from the array once

[23:57:58]

fryfrog:

use -d ata no matter what

[23:58:01]

fryfrog:

it won't hurt anything

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kormoc:

fryfrog, isn't the conveyance test a interface test?

[23:58:11]

hjohnson:

k.

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fryfrog:

i'm not sure, i must have enabled it for some reason but i don't recall what it is :)

[23:58:34]

fryfrog:

does your do it?

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kormoc:

aye, it does

[23:59:47]

fryfrog:

well, thats it

[23:59:55]

fryfrog:

i'm gonna swap my slave fe/be with my master fe/be

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