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Friday, February 16th, 2007, 00:03 UTC

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cesman:

slick: if you have a cable box then yes

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janneg:

strange. I wouldn't do that. I have a mythweb svn checkout in my document root

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slick:

hhmm I guess I mean do I need to use the cable box if I'm not getting HDTV

[00:04:34]

Cardoe:

yet another Gentoo MythTV release...

[00:05:21]

cesman:

if you have regular analog cable and that is all you want to record, then you don't need a cable box or an irblaster

[00:05:33]

cesman:

cable box is just one want of getting HD

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Zider:

Cardoe: dammit, I just upgraded :P

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Cardoe:

12801

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Cardoe:

Zider: be glad they're still fixing stuff

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Zider:

Cardoe: I wasn't serious! :P

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Zider:

:)

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Cardoe:

alright

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Zider:

ofcourse I'm glad they fix stuff :)

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Zider:

it's just a pain to install mythstream again :)

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janneg:

gardengnome: true but I wouldn't even suggest that

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gardengnome:

janneg: but that was exactly my point. it's bad enough that people won't protect their mythweb install but having it indexed by google makes it even worse

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clever`:

ahhh

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janneg:

no, I wouldn't suggest to install mythweb directly into the document root except for a virtualhost myth[tv|web].example.com

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clever`:

virtual host setups are more complex since it needs a dns name of some kind to piggyback off

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gardengnome:

janneg: xris reasons that mythweb will usually be run as the only web service on the master backend.

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clever`:

i stuck it on a apache that was being used for other things

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gardengnome:

i've been without mythweb for ages because i keep meaning to replace my current mythtv box

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slick:

thanks all, laterz

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xris:

gardengnome: ??

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xris:

oh

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xris:

I don't "reason that".. I "reason that it *should*"

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xris:

I'll eventually integrate auth, esp. as it gets tied into the backend permissions structure (music/video/etc) and more settings preferences.

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gardengnome:

xris: heh, sorry :)

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clever`:

seems my linux 1ghz laptop can be a frontend

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clever`:

also the mtjpeg video is too bloated to easily stream over 100mbit

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hads:

?

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clever`:

the video format is in the area of 5gig an hour sometimes

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gardengnome:

not too bad

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clever`:

i changed the encoder settings to mpeg4 and transcoded a 5gig file to 700mb

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hads:

So... 1.3MB/s

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clever`:

but saving to mpeg4 directly from the video card is messed up

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clever`:

doesnt play right

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hads:

ignoring overhead etc. before someone jumps in

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clever`:

then its something else thats having a problem:P

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clever`:

and my wifi has an even harder time

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clever`:

getting prebuffering pauses again

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scopeuk:

clever` whouldent it be ~ 12 MB ignoring over heads?

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clever`:

net doesnt appearto be maxed

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scopeuk:

8b= 1B

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clever`:

30xxx kBit/s

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clever`:

and its having prebuffer pauses

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clever`:

plays fine at 0.7x

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clever`:

also the interlacing atrifacts show up more on a lcd panel on a laptop

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clever`:

brb phone

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Zider:

100Mbit would be 1.25MB theoretical..

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Zider:

12.5 even

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clever`:

damn telemarketers

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clever`:

i have nload open

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clever`:

text mode networkload graph

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clever`:

avg of 21488.48 kBit/s

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clever`:

at 0.7x

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** hads has bad maths **

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hads:

Got an extra * in there instead of a /

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clever`:

lol

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adnick56:

I'm trying to use myth music with the Album Art Visualization plugin and it displays a random cover and does not change and will freeze frame as its loading depending on when i activate the plugin. Does anyone know how to fix this?

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monkeyBox_:

stuarta, you around?

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v jams

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** monkeyBox_ thinks he's figured it out :) **

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clever`:

hads: guess what kind of n00bs i deal with every day?:P

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clever`:

15 19:15:18 <@Pizza_Guy> #1064 – You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '6042 2 1 Flaming village (' at line 1

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clever`:

15 19:18:36 <@Pizza_Guy> how do i get mysql to acceptt the (

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clever`:

lol

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clever`:

15 19:28:45 < clever> is that the entire line?

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clever`:

15 19:28:52 <@Pizza_Guy> yes

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clever`:

15 19:29:00 < clever> you forgot the 'insert into news values'

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clever`:

......

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** clever` wonders what his iq is **

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frank___:

any ideas?

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e7c|home:

I'm trying to set up a MythTV box, and setting up my account/lineups at labs.zap2it.com, but zap2it.com seems to be broken

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e7c|home:

can anyone comment?

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fatrhino:

any mdadm/raid gurus in here?

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e7c|home:

I'm familiar with raid

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e7c|home:

what's up

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J-e-f-f-A:

e7c|home, zap2it seems to be fine to me-- what's the issue you're having?

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e7c|home:

when I log into labs.zap2it.com to set up my lineups

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e7c|home:

I click the button to add lineup, put in my postal, and it 404's

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e7c|home:

other people on the zap2it forum are having the same issue

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Reiver:

is there a way to clear out the database and start over?

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J-e-f-f-A:

e7c|home, Humm... I've already got 4 lineups defined... But I'm only using 3 of them atm... I'll delete one and see if I have the same issue...

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e7c|home:

yeah people editting lineups were having problems too

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e7c|home:

thx

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clever`:

would it be posible to delete channels from a lineup

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clever`:

for example i will never be watching channel 19

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J-e-f-f-A:

no problem here... works fine for me atm...

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adnick56:

I'm trying to use myth music with the Album Art Visualization plugin and it displays a random cover and does not change and will freeze frame as its loading depending on when i activate the plugin. Does anyone know how to fix this?

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clever`:

so why have it waste space on the guide and everything

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e7c|home:

hmm maybe they fixed it

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e7c|home:

woo, it works now!

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e7c|home:

thanks jeff, you must've fixed it heh

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever`: yes-- you can either edit the lineup on zap2it, or make the channel non-visible via mythweb...

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J-e-f-f-A:

e7c|home, Yeah, I'm good like that! ;-)

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clever`:

where in mythweb would i do it?

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J-e-f-f-A:

In the settings — the "Key & Wrench" Icon, then "MythTV Channel Info"

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clever`:

k

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J-e-f-f-A:

Uncheck what you don't want to appear, then scroll all the way to the bottom and click [Save]

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oFF-beAt:

can i make mythTV with PCI DVB satellite card?

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clever`:

sounds easy:)

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J-e-f-f-A:

oFF-beAt, In the US, or ???

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oFF-beAt:

in egypt

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oFF-beAt:

just wondering.. tv tuner is kind of a waste here.. so i was wondering if u could use sat card

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oFF-beAt:

there arn't any good tv cable channels here..

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h3x:

sure for FTA

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oFF-beAt:

thanx

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oFF-beAt:

that's all i wanted to know

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h3x:

or you can plug a receiver into a video capture card

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h3x:

and use infrared beamer to change channels

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** clever` crashes his frontend by changing the timezone **

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h3x:

speaking of timezones

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clever`:

my frontend is in gmt-4

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clever`:

and the backend is gmt-6

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h3x:

really

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clever`:

and the frontend cant play files stored remotely without tweaking the zones to match

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clever`:

nope

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clever`:

my server is running programs which deal with a server in gmt-6

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clever`:

so even though i live in -4 2 of my computers are set to -6

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fatrhino:

hey e7c|home i have a 4x300 raid5 array, one drive went bad a little while ago, and just got it back from rma

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fatrhino:

go to add it to the array, and the reconstruction fails about halfway through because it appears that one of the drives has bad sectors and gets booted for read errors

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fatrhino:

so i was wondering if it would be possible to save the array by either ignoring the errors, or dd'ing the bad drive to the new one, then replacing the bad one

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J-e-f-f-A:

blah

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adnick56:

Can anyone help me? I'm trying to use myth music with the Album Art Visualization plugin and it displays a random cover and does not change and will freeze frame as its loading depending on when i activate the plugin. Does anyone know how to fix this?

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adnick56:

and the funny thing is all the other plugins work just fine

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adnick56:

anyone?

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kslater:

adnick – I don't think anyone has your answer

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adnick56:

is this a common problem?

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kslater:

never heard of it. have you checked the mail archive?

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AlienX:

is there a way to automatically convert recorded programs to avi?

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clever`:

im guessing that would be one of the userjobs you can add/edit

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clever`:

not shure what to set it to though

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AlienX:

clever`, hmm ok.

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adnick56:

i did check archives

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clever`:

i beleive theres 4–5 userjobs which you can chose to run on each recording at record time

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adnick56:

i even found other people with the same problem on forums but no answer...

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kslater:

adnick56 – I haven't seen it. I have some album art for a few of my cd's but when I use that vis in MythMusic it works fine.

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kslater:

what version of mythtv?

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clever`:

AlienX: thats probly because your using rtjepg and not mpeg4

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adnick56:

im using trunk from svn

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clever`:

i also had that problem and have it half fixed

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adnick56:

any reference materials you can reccomend clever?

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clever`:

i changed thr transcoders to use mpeg4

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clever`:

but if i changed the encoder for my card it messed up recording

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AlienX:

clever`, is there an option for that in mythweb? My capture card has a built in mpeg-2 encoder but it would be good if I could transcode that to mpeg4

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clever`:

so im recording still in the horible 5gig/hour then transcoding to a 700mb/hour

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clever`:

its in mythfrontend setup

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adnick56:

i have it displaying album art but its random and the cover never changes unles i exit and renter the fullscreen visualizaton

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clever`:

under recording profiles

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AlienX:

yeah, sounds like we're in the same place :) I'll check out.

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clever`:

i have a ugly frame grabber

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clever`:

so it has to encode in cpu

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AlienX:

grrr netsplit

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clever`:

and encoding to rtjpeg works but eats space

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clever`:

encoding to mpeg4 makes the files unplayable

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AlienX:

clever`, which card are you using?

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clever`:

bt848

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AlienX:

ahh ok, i wonder if my hauppauge PVR-150 would be better.

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clever`:

your is way better:P

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AlienX:

i'm pretty new to all this pvr stuff, I don't even own a tivo or anything :P

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clever`:

you bearly need cpu power to record with it

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clever`:

same here

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AlienX:

clever, yeah, i noticed that which is awesome

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clever`:

i grabed a OLD input card from my uncle and stuffed it in my linux

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clever`:

and my dad kept insisting that i would never find drivers

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AlienX:

kslater, where would i found that?

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clever`:

and it worked on the first boot without even having to think of drivers

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kslater:

you're using .20 or later?

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AlienX:

kslater, mythfrontend setup?

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clever`:

ubuntu found and installed them without even warning me:P

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AlienX:

kslater, yeah, .20

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kslater:

you shouldn't need to do anything but ask for it to transcode using one of the already setup profiles

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kslater:

I use medium quality

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kslater:

takes a 1.1G/hr recording down to 785M or so

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AlienX:

kslater, ahh ok. I think I used the automatic option or something IIRC

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kslater:

no, that's not right

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kslater:

2.2g/hr -> 785M

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kslater:

1.1g/half hour -> 350ish M

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clever`:

some shows are 5gig an hour

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AlienX:

kslater, that's exactly what I want. I'll use that profile then.

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kslater:

you can tune the parameters in one of the setup screens

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kslater:

I've never bothered

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kslater:

it might be in mythtv-setup

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AlienX:

kslater, sweet. I've only had mythtv running for a day so I've still got a bit to learn

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clever`:

| 636 | transcode | 5 | 0 | 2007-02–15 13:53:07 | theP4 | Transcode Starting | The New Detectives "Left at the Scene": Low Quality (5.1 GB) |

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clever`:

| 639 | transcode | 5 | 0 | 2007-02–15 15:04:20 | theP4 | Transcode Finished | The New Detectives "Left at the Scene": Low Quality (711.6 MB) |

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clever`:

logs say it went 5.1gig to 711mb

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clever`:

which is an insane savings

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kslater:

well rtjpeg is not compressed much if at all

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clever`:

LOL

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clever`:

that explains it

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kslater:

AlienX will be starting with MPEG-2 PS and going to MPEG4 of some sort

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AlienX:

kslater, yeah, that's my goal

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clever`:

ive fixed the timezone using a TZ wraper but now all my guide data is off by 2 hours

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clever`:

i set the guide offset to +2hours and am running filldatabase

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AlienX:

hmm, now i have to figure out how to get mythtv to recognize commercials and not record them.

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clever`:

it records them then using commflag finds them

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clever`:

and skips them durring playback

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AlienX:

clever`, ahh ok. Xine must not recognize it.

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clever`:

yeah i think the info may be stored in the mysql db

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Captain_Murdoch:

xine has no knowledge of Myth's commercial flag markings

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clever`:

id have to dysect the flager to see

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hads:

Yeah, Xine won't use the mythbackend database ;)

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AlienX:

makes sense.

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AlienX:

i don't really use the frontend for anything as I'm only planning to use myth as a DVR

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Captain_Murdoch:

hence the main reason to use myth as a frontend.

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clever`:

i use mythweb to plan recordings

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clever`:

so the frontend is only for playback livetv and mythmusic

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hads:

There's possibly some other program that would suit better if you aren't using myth the way it's designed

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AlienX:

Captain_Murdoch, i can't multitask if I'm using myth as a frontend (and i'm not complaining about that, it's just what I use it for)

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clever`:

also my ir blaster is in peices so i just plan out a few recordings and manualy change channels ahead of time

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Captain_Murdoch:

I do all the time. I run mythfrontend in a little 800x600 window on my dual-monitor desktop

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clever`:

Captain_Murdoch: i have the frontend on my laptop to use a window

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AlienX:

Captain_Murdoch, hmm i didn't know you could do that.

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clever`:

just havent resized it much yet

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hads:

Yeah, I do that on my dual creen desktop too

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clever`:

my main frontend is a dual screen and the frontend is fullscreen on :0.1

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AlienX:

I'll have to use my svideo out to my tv and run mythfrontend on the tv

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clever`:

the laptop is single screen and having it not steal the entire window is helpfull

[03:32:57]

clever`:

AlienX: im using the composite out on my card but thats because my svid cables arent long enough

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AlienX:

clever`, i have a pretty decent graphics card but don't have a composite out on it.

[03:33:53]

clever`:

mines agp with svga composite and svideo

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clever`:

dual head internaly

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AlienX:

I have two dvi and one svideo

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clever`:

ahh

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clever`:

i have a large pile of cards with dual dvi out agp that im not using

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AlienX:

you should use them. When NV has better SLI support in linux, I might buy another card

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clever`:

i have allmost no dvi moniters

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clever`:

and not enough agp slots to put them all to use

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AlienX:

i don't either. I have an adapter that came with my card.

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clever`:

yeah we have some dvi=>svga changers but that still wont fix the lack of tvout i would windup with

[03:36:25]

clever`:

and id need to fetch more moniters from the garage:P

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AlienX:

heh

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AlienX:

i'm almost tempted to buy another monitor but I don't know where I'd put it.

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clever`:

lol

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clever`:

on my desk

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clever`:

1 moniter

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clever`:

a sun keyboard+mouse

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clever`:

and a kvm

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clever`:

which feeds into a pair of desktops

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AlienX:

this is a brand new computer build for me and it's much faster than anything I've ever personally owned before

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clever`:

the linux desktop has a 2nd mouse/keyboard pair going directly into the box

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clever`:

for use with the mythfrontend and tvout

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clever`:

so i have 2 keyboards i can use with the linux but one will allways be for it

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monkeyBox_:

anyone here use dvbtune? I keep getting an "Unkown FE type" error. I'm assuming it's talking about the dvb frontend, but not sure what to do about it.

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clever`:

xris: having a problem with mythweb

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hads:

That's a statement, not a question.

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clever`:

:P

[04:11:47]

clever`:

i changed the TZ value when starting the front/backends

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clever`:

so they now show the correct time

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clever`:

but mythweb still didnt change over

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hads:

You'll probably need to setup Apache or override the value in PHP

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clever`:

i added a setenv to the apache conf for it but that didnt take effect

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clever`:

setenv TZ "AST4"

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clever`:

in with the setenv's for db_password

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kormoc:

why not just fix it on the server itself?

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clever`:

the server itself needs to be in gmt-6 for the main services i run on it

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hads:

How odd

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clever`:

the game its running stuff for is in gmt-6

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clever`:

and it uses the currenttime in alot of places

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xris:

clever`: php has its own timezone settings

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clever`:

and where is that?

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kormoc:

php.ini

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clever`:

lol

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kormoc:

http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.datetime.php#ini.date.timezone

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hads:

You can also putenv I believe

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clever`:

putenv != setenv?

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kormoc:

that's right

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clever`:

whats the diff?

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clever`:

wtf

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hads:

putenv as in the PHP function

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clever`:

php 4 module in apache

[04:17:27]

clever`:

and php5 cli

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clever`:

when did i install both:S

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poobare:

Hello – ne1 out there?

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kormoc:

clever`, at times, I think your nick is misleading

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kormoc:

poobare, no

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clever`:

:P

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clever`:

i dont remember putting diff versions of php in like that

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poobare:

Does anyone know if the HAuppauge HVR1600 TV Tuner will be supported anytime soon in linux/myth?

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kormoc:

no, it wont

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poobare:

kormoc, would you be able to suggest any of the better quality tuners?

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kormoc:

the pvr 150/500 is the commonly recommended choice

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clever`:

xris: i set date.timezone to the proper zone and it didnt to anything

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xris:

clever`: after restarting apache?

[04:23:39]

clever`:

yes i restarted it

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xris:

odd

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kormoc:

clever`, what did you set it to?

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Dr_willis:

Hmm.. low quality? never noticed.

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** xris really needs food... afk. **

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clever`:

America/Moncton didnt do anything

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clever`:

so i set it to AST4 the same as TZ

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clever`:

that also didnt do anything

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Dr_willis:

then again – its recording a tv show thats so low quailty anyway. :)

[04:24:56]

Dr_willis:

Im happy with my 150. The only other tuner card i got is a real old nasty $40 card from like 4 yrs ago. so cant really compare to tell you much.

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dj_:

hello

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dj_:

im having a problem gettin mythtv going, im getting stuck at the mysql part

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dj_:

following these inst.

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dj_:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_myth . . . 54e38358bc23

[04:28:05]

dj_:

i use mysql -u root mysql

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dj_:

gives me this

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dj_:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)

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hads:

So you need a password

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dj_:

should i use

[04:30:09]

dj_:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV#Set . . . ial_database

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dj_:

/usr/bin/mysql_install_db

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kormoc:

dj_, are you running ubuntu or gentoo?

[04:30:47]

dj_:

ubuntu

[04:30:52]

dj_:

6.10

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kormoc:

so why would a gentoo specific tool help you?

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dj_:

lol

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Dr_willis:

Gentoo docs have a lot of good info..

[04:31:37]

Dr_willis:

gotten many good tips from them in the past.

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kormoc:

Dr_willis, sure, but his database is installed fine, he just needs to type in the password to connect

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dj_:

mmm

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clever`:

add -p to the mysql command

[04:31:54]

dj_:

i can use -p

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Dr_willis:

kormoc, heck – i cheat and use KnoppMyth. :) shows how lazy i am.

[04:31:57]

clever`:

and feed it the proper password

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dj_:

gives me this

[04:32:08]

dj_:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)

[04:32:08]

dj_:

i can get in with -p

[04:32:08]

dj_:

but when i get to

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dj_:

UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mythtv') WHERE user='mythtv';

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dj_:

spits the dummy, says the following – (incoming spam)

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dj_:

ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'mysqlcheck -r -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg

[04:32:13]

Dr_willis:

i never did get it working with ubuntu right.

[04:32:13]

dj_:

UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('' at line 1

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poobare:

I've sen knoppmyth installed it is a snap and will get you where you need to be ASAP

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poobare:

Problem is that it may wipe out your hard drive of anything previously existing

[04:33:06]

dj_:

ow

[04:33:16]

clever`:

yeah

[04:33:20]

dj_:

ok

[04:33:21]

dj_:

so

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Dagmar:

Any distro can do that if you're an idiot when you install it

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dj_:

in mysql it still gives me an error

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dj_:

and i try and run myth-setup and it just asks me what language and spits the dummy

[04:34:57]

dj_:

can someone confirm exactly what commnds i shld be doin in mysql

[04:35:14]

dj_:

ive been trying

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dj_:

mysqlcheck -r -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg

[04:35:14]

dj_:

UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mythtv') WHERE user='mythtv';

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dj_:

FLUSH PRIVILEGES;

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kormoc:

why the mysqlcheck?

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dj_:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_myth . . . 54e38358bc23

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hads:

I think you are slightly confused.

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

dj_, mysqlcheck is a program, not a SQL Statement

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dj_:

hads: yea, that and I'm a noob

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dj_:

k

[04:36:19]

hads:

That page is borked

[04:36:20]

dj_:

mmmm

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dj_:

hads: k

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kormoc:

%s/page/distro/

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hads:

Don't be a distro hater

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kormoc:

heh, just no ends of issues

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Dagmar:

Holy crap

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Dagmar:

dj_: Delete that site from your bookmarks and never go there again

[04:37:43]

dj_:

hot damn

[04:37:45]

dj_:

ffs

[04:38:23]

dj_:

please help me

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dj_:

im just being a good little noob following howtos

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Dagmar:

So, right now you should be a noob carefully following the instructions given you by the people you've been asking for help

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dj_:

Dagmar: abs.

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kormoc:

wiki.mythtv.org

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kormoc:

see if there's ubuntu docs on there

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hads:

I believe there is

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dj_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation

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dj_:

poss. ??

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monkeyBox_:

Anyone familiar w/ dvbsnoop?

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hads:

monkeyBox: A very little. Why's that?

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monkeyBox:

hads, Does the PAT list what's known as the "serviceid"?

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monkeyBox:

When I run dvbsnoop and get the TS sub-decoding, it shows several "Program_numbers". Are thos the serviceid's?

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hads:

I don't know sorry.

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hads:

I did say very little :)

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hads:

I only use it for grabbing EPG data

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dj_:

well

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dj_:

i think everything i did before abs. completely f0ckd my stuff

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hads:

Antilock Braking System?

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dj_:

that tooi

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dj_:

still giving me the same screen

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dj_:

do i need to remove everything or what

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dj_:

ive uninstalled mysql,

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dj_:

what shld i reinstall

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cesman:

dj_: are you installing on ubuntu?

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dj_:

i am

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dj_:

6.10

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dj_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation

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dj_:

im reading this but it's kinda two ways

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** cesman ponders why it is for at least the past 2 weeks someone has coming having problems w/ ubuntu... **

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dj_:

the precompiled section is oversimlified i think

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dj_:

cesman: :P

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** cesman recommends KnoppMyth **

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** dj_ google **

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dj_:

o

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cesman:

p

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dj_:

well thanks i guess

[05:04:57]

cesman:

you're welcome

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dj_:

i woulda liked to been able to use it in this envrionment

[05:04:59]

cesman:

i guess

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dj_:

:)

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cesman:

you couldn't access mysql i take it...

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cesman:

did you check what mysql password for mythtv?

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dj_:

im sorry

[05:06:50]

dj_:

?

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cesman:

because be default, it randomly generates a password and it isn't mythtv

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dj_:

no i know that

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dj_:

it was 8 letter random

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cesman:

so, update it

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dj_:

ive done teh apt-get command

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dj_:

lol

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dj_:

cesman:

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cesman:

dj_:

[05:10:34]

dj_:

ive been following these instructions -

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dj_:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV?highlight=%28mythtv%29

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dj_:

but apptly they're no good

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cesman:

sorry, couldn't tell ya

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cesman:

i don't use ubuntu for my mythboxen

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dj_:

k

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cesman:

while it on my workstation, it's days _are_ numbered

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quink:

any of you use VLC to stream recordings?

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cesman:

use in conjunction w/ MythStreamTV

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cesman:

yes

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quink:

does it give you any trouble?

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cesman:

no

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quink:

i cannot figure out why its not working properly for me.

[05:14:03]

cesman:

no errors?

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quink:

well sort of.

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quink:

i'm using the exact same commands i used before i upgraded hardware to a faster/better system

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quink:

and now it works for 30 seconds or so then slows down to a crawl in audio/video

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cesman:

same versions of software?

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quink:

yep

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quink:

thats why i can't figure it out.

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dj_:

O

[05:24:48]

dj_:

IT WORKS

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dj_:

ok

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dj_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . Installation

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dj_:

went thru that, esp setup mysql sb

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dj_:

nice

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dj_:

ok

[05:30:15]

dj_:

the gamebreaker

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dj_:

http://www.fusionhdtv.co.kr/eng/Products/dvbtnano.aspx

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cesman:

"we thought a lion to eat tofu"

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Dagmar:

thought a lion?

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Dagmar:

Man I'm about >< close to just vandalzing the Ubuntu docs for myth

[06:40:34]

Dagmar:

Seeing those five, basically randomly chosen command snippets listed was just too much to be borne

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hads:

It's only the mysqlcheck command that's out of place.

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hads:

And it's a wiki, someone obviously just messed it up.

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Dagmar:

So the bare SQL command just sitting around there doesn't bother you?

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Dagmar:

I mean, why does it take them FIVE commands to reset a password...

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Dagmar:

That's just sad

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hads:

"them"?

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hads:

How else would you update a mysql password?

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Dagmar:

With one command.

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hads:

Enlighten me

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Dagmar:

Generally I use mysqladmin for setting passwords

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Dagmar:

Yes, I am aware this doesn't work if you don't know the existing password.

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hads:

For a different user?

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Dagmar:

msqladmin -u

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hads:

No, how would you reset the password for mythtv if you didn't know it?

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Dagmar:

If the root user for mysql doesn't have a password set at all, you don't need to care what user passwords are

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Dagmar:

Me, I'd blow away the database and run mysql_install_db

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juski:

morning

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hads:

That's still more than one comand ;)

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Dagmar:

Much faster than screwing around with that crayola-style nonsense I saw on the Ubuntu page

[06:49:10]

hads:

Pfft, it's standard mysql nonsense.

[06:49:16]

Dagmar:

No, it's not.

[06:49:28]

hads:

Righto.

[06:49:29]

juski:

if someone doesn't do something about this ubuntu password randomness I might have to go hassle the packager myself

[06:49:29]

Dagmar:

"Standard mysql nonsense" would at least involve a series of commands that _work_

[06:49:57]

hads:

Yeah, as we have already decided. There is *one* command out of place on that page.

[06:50:01]

Dagmar:

juski: You should have seen what we saw earlier

[06:50:17]

juski:

that's what I'm referring to

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** juski reads the logs :) **

[06:50:55]

juski:

mysqlcheck, *before* the db has even been used? wtf?!

[06:51:15]

Dagmar:

yeees.

[06:51:17]

hads:

If someone was to edit that page and remove the mysqlcheck command it would be a perfectly valid way to change a password in mysql.

[06:51:53]

hads:

Obviously it's a simple mistake on the page, nothing to go on and on about.

[06:51:58]

juski:

hey I know – blame all this on ME – I was assigned the task of going thru the ubuntu docs but I couldn't be arsed

[06:52:22]

** kormoc blames canada **

[06:52:25]

Dagmar:

There really isn't any excuse for that page being that screwed up

[06:52:29]

juski:

there was too much BS IMHO

[06:52:53]

Dagmar:

...and it's more than just a command out of order

[06:53:12]

juski:

first time I read the docs I was left with the impression they were saying that mythtv is really unstable & needs to be hugged & hand-held lots

[06:53:20]

juski:

... a lot like newbies

[06:53:34]

hads:

Well, it's also missing selecting the database, that's about it.

[06:54:03]

Dagmar:

It's also missing whether or not you know the root password

[06:54:06]

Dagmar:

Ahem

[06:54:26]

hads:

It's Ubuntu docs, an Ubuntu defaults to none I believe.

[06:54:46]

hads:

Bah, I'm sick of going on about it.

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juski:

the debconf stuff in the mythtv-database package asks if you want to set a root password IIRC

[06:55:58]

juski:

course it'd be more fun to just let it fester but it leaves the problem of people coming in here whining about 'can't connect to the database' errors

[06:55:59]

hads:

I wasn't referring to the rest of the page. Just those five commands.

[06:56:07]

Dagmar:

Telling people to use 127.0.0.1 and no mention of how it differs from localhost just kind of leaps out at me

[06:56:40]

Dagmar:

As a technical writer, someone should have tried to _use_ these instructions at some point

[06:56:50]

juski:

mmyers

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cesman:

Dagmar: then improve the documentation

[06:57:25]

Dagmar:

cesman: Rule #1. It's not my job to fix the *entire* universe

[06:57:48]

cesman:

no one is asking you to fix the universe

[06:58:00]

cesman:

if you find the documentation lacking, contribute

[06:58:01]

Dagmar:

Do I have anything to do with the Ubuntu project? No.

[06:58:16]

Dagmar:

Hey there's people starving in Africa. Go feed them.

[06:58:19]

juski:

someone high up in ubunut would like it all fixed before Feisty is er.. foisted on the world

[06:58:57]

juski:

something along the lines of 'make mythtv rock/work on ubunut'

[06:59:39]

** cesman ponders who juski is thinking of ... ;) **

[07:00:46]

juski:

maybe what's put me off is the suspicion that one person stands to get all the brownie points for the work and maybe I have er... concerns about that person

[07:02:32]

cesman:

ubuntu won't be fully optimized for MythTV anything some

[07:02:53]

cesman:

video performance is best w/ binary drivers

[07:02:59]

cesman:

they won't include the drivers

[07:03:05]

Dagmar:

No big deal there

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Dagmar:

...although I'm a little baffled as to why they won't do nVidia's

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juski:

it's been discussed & they can't do it because of concerns with stuff like liblame

[07:03:22]

cesman:

which makes me wonder if they will even include firmware for ivtv...

[07:03:31]

juski:

that's been sorted out

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juski:

they've got permission for that at least

[07:05:23]

juski:

anyway I'm off to work. see you in 30 or so

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anykey:

morning

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cesman:

hello

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shodan-:

what happens if I remux my mpeg4 nuv files into mpeg4 avi files without changing the name of the files or telling mythtv ? (because I'd really like to use avi instead, nuv is a pain to seek on the xbmc and it's got terrible portability)

[07:46:33]

Captain_Murdoch:

not much, you just may end up with out of sync audio and video.

[07:47:24]

shodan-:

it'll still play in mythfrontend and mythweb will still be able to make thumbnails ?

[07:47:47]

shodan-:

also any precaution I should take to keep the audio in sync ?

[07:47:47]

Captain_Murdoch:

as long as you leave the filename the same it should. make a test recording and try it.

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shodan-:

k

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Captain_Murdoch:

don't convert to avi. :) it doesn't support the timecodes that nuppel and mpeg-ps/ts format files do, that is the reason Myth uses nuppel to begin with.

[07:51:55]

shodan-:

how come avi files I make out of my dvds with autogk turn out fine, is it because the source files are streams ? also when I first record my shows they are mpeg ts, but when I transcode to mpeg4 they become nuv files (which xbmc won't play without using xbmc-mythtv) is there a way I can tell transcode to use mpeg ts instead of nuv for output when transcoding to mpeg4 ?

[07:52:59]

Captain_Murdoch:

because you made them out of DVDs which have perfect sync already. if you're recording off of an analog capture device, you may end up with things out of sync. that's why myth uses the timecodes to keep things in sync during playback.

[07:53:48]

Captain_Murdoch:

no, no way to make mythtranscode generate mpeg-ps/ts currently. possibly in the future. I've got a working patch but it's a long way from being ready to include in SVN or even ready for others to test.

[07:53:48]

shodan-:

my video source is dvb, does this mean I probably won't have any audio sync issues then ?

[07:53:51]

anykey:

Can I use an SVN-Slave-Backend together with a 0.20-fixes-Masterbackend?

[07:53:58]

Captain_Murdoch:

anykey: -users question

[07:54:03]

Captain_Murdoch:

sorry, this is -users. :)

[07:54:08]

Captain_Murdoch:

wrong channel. <<< me

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Captain_Murdoch:

:)

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Captain_Murdoch:

anykey: no

[07:54:24]

anykey:

Protocol mismatch? ;-)

[07:54:27]

** Captain_Murdoch shouldn't code and chat at the same time. **

[07:54:29]

Captain_Murdoch:

yes

[07:54:31]

anykey:

ok

[07:54:57]

Captain_Murdoch:

I'm pretty sure SVN head is a couple versions newer. and you don't want to have 2 versions connecting to the DB anyway, the newer one would upgrade your DB for you.

[07:54:59]

anykey:

Captain_Murdoch: mythweb-svn + 0.20-backend = the same?

[07:55:09]

Dagmar:

Don't mix and match versions.

[07:55:13]

Captain_Murdoch:

any svn would use the new proto

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anykey:

ok

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anykey:

Going to build another master backend then

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shodan-:

Captain_Murdoch, ah ok, I thought it was because mpeg-ps/ts couldn't contain mpeg4, good to know it'll do that eventually because mpeg-ps/ts streams play just fine on xbmc and with many other "stock" software

[07:57:21]

Dagmar:

It's not a "couldn't contain" issue. It's an "isn't" issue.

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doc|home:

is it normal for it to take a long time (10–15 seconds) for mythtv to show text on the initial frontend window?

[08:00:54]

shodan-:

doc|home, yes

[08:01:12]

shodan-:

doc|home, or at least, I have that too

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Captain_Murdoch:

shodan-: if you're just cutting commercials, use the lossless transcoder, it will retain your mpeg-2 container format.

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doc|home:

ok, thanks :/

[08:01:50]

Captain_Murdoch:

doc|home: yes, but I don't know why. makes developing slow though. :(

[08:02:16]

doc|home:

Captain_Murdoch: maybe someone should look into it?

[08:02:24]

** doc|home looks at no one in particular **

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doc|home:

;)

[08:02:45]

Captain_Murdoch:

hasn't bugged me enough, working on other mods now.

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doc|home:

:)

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juski:

morny!

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juski:

it's fwidaaaaay :)

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rsdvd:

Good morning juski

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stuarta:

morning

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qu0zl:

it's fry-day Juski :) Giant greasy fry on the way into work day :) Happiest of all days

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** stuarta just had double bacon, double sausage & fried egg sandwich :) **

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juski:

not had a greasy morning snack for ages

[09:39:11]

juski:

btw I've seen the gen on this year's LRL and will definitely NOT be interested

[09:39:42]

juski:

exhbitors set up on saturday, have to take it all down for the evening then re-set everything up on sunday :(

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stuarta:

that is a massive PITA

[09:41:25]

juski:

aye

[09:42:10]

juski:

anyone not using laptops or selling tshirts anyway

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rsdvd:

has anyone used a usb floppy drive under linux? I cannot get mine to mount :-(

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doc_:

hi there :)

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Dagmar:

So, what's that got to do with MythTV?

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rsdvd:

Dagmar : cause I am trying to boot my frontend from floppy casue the PXE is knackered

[10:04:28]

rsdvd:

fixed now anyway

[10:04:56]

juski:

I threw a cupboard full of floppies out last time I had a tidyup

[10:05:01]

stuarta:

!trout submitter_of_ticket_3093 cluebat

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** MythLogBot slaps submitter_of_ticket_3093 with a cluebat trout on behalf of stuarta... **

[10:05:32]

Dagmar:

heh

[10:05:47]

rsdvd:

juski : I still cannot get the S100 to PXE – this is gettting silly

[10:08:48]

juski:

I said it'd not work

[10:08:57]

juski:

make a bootloader to mount / over NFS

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Neeesat25:

good morning to all

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doc_:

morning

[10:23:12]

Neeesat25:

Is there a way to remove EXIT from the MENU in Mythwelcome?

[10:23:24]

Dibblah:

juski: Nice to see you back ;)

[10:23:25]

juski:

apart from editing an xml file?

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Dibblah:

Errr... Oops?

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Neeesat25:

Which xms file is for mythwelcome?

[10:24:24]

Neeesat25:

xml correct

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Neeesat25:

juski: What xml file corresponds to the menu of Mythwelcome?

[10:30:47]

juski:

it has the word 'welcome' in the filename. I'd call that a clue

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Neeesat25:

hmm let's see

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juski:

ah so this is what CPUs are like when they come in proper packaging :)

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juski:

massive upgrade – a celeron D 2.8 !

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Zider:

ooooooooo

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Dagmar:

This is your first experience with the plastic snack cups?

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Dagmar:

They're the perfect size for holding individual cheese cracker sandiwiches

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rsdvd:

Juski / anyone : I know I am missing somethign really obvious – but I cannot get the S100 to boot grub. I have installed grub in the MBR of a USB key, and everytime I try to boot it I get 'Re-boot and select proper boot device' message. Anyone particuarly knowledgable about GRUB?

[11:53:32]

juski:

Dagmar: first, and last I hope

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juski:

I thought they were suposed to be better

[11:55:48]

Dagmar:

What? All they need to do is keep the little sponge block on the pins so they don't get bent

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: does it boot on a different machine?

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: when i got the 2.4GHz celeron for my mythtv box, i dropped it. getting those pins right again was a really annoying job

[12:06:49]

Dagmar:

Skill/Z!

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gardengnome:

heh

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Dagmar:

I've never dropped a CPU, and I intend to never do so

[12:08:05]

Dagmar:

Well, except for that DX33, but then I was already using it as a beard comb

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gardengnome:

beard comb you say. thaT's a good idea

[12:09:07]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: you know, i wasn't exactly planning to drop it either ;)

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : I have just tried it – and it does boot my EPIA – so it looks like a problem with the S100 – but I know that boots from usb cause I have booted it using a fedora rescue key

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juski:

if you have a beard long enough to comb.. erm.. you should get a job with canonical

[12:10:30]

gardengnome:

juski: even 1cm is enough for combing ;)

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quicksilver:

or the dwarves of the lonely mountain

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quicksilver:

I think Gimli's looking for assistants

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: sorry, i can't help you now, i need to make my new DVB card work first

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juski:

blech. more begging emails on -dev again

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rsdvd:

:-(

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gardengnome:

juski: jochen?

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juski:

no I'm serious

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gardengnome:

juski: err, i was wondering if you meant jochen and his quest for multiple channels from one transponder

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juski:

haha yeah I did

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stuarta:

they are annoying...

[12:18:50]

juski:

I hope it never happens if only so that bounty doesn't set an ugly precedent

[12:19:49]

gardengnome:

what's wrong with it? people want it, people pay for it.

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Dagmar:

Just wait until some Russian puts up money for a descrambler routine

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gardengnome:

heh

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juski:

people want it, they can go use VDR

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** gardengnome currently fights with his legal descrambler stuff **

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gardengnome:

the dvb card stops working once i insert the cam. that's what i get for using experimental drivers.

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** Dagmar hastily checks for men with too many hard consonants in their names. **

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juski:

nobody ever noticed how my nick sounds suspiciously russki ? ;)

[12:27:31]

Dagmar:

Who here isn't suprised that the man who caught a shark bare-handed was a drunken aussie?

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** juski puts his hand up. not me :) **

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stuarta:

haha! not surprised either

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Dagmar:

He *claims* that he woulnd't have tried it, had he been sober

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stuarta:

HAHA!

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gardengnome:

he was probably just horny

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** stuarta roflmao **

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Dagmar:

BTW, Comcast woke me up yesterday (speaking of horny) to try to sell me on Digital Cable

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Dagmar:

For some reason, their reps aren't apparently very comfortable discussing the specifics of the porno that they have available on that.

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** stuarta misses the connection between Comcast & horny.... **

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Dagmar:

I'm pretty sure that rep is probably going to be in "sensitivity training" classes for awhile after the people sitting around him get done reporting him

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Merlin83b:

Heh

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Dagmar:

You see the connection now, don't you?

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stuarta:

hehe yup

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daviey:

Hi, anyone here using svn head?

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juski:

nah. nobody. not ever

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gardengnome:

not even the devs

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Dagmar:

No one who likes to watch TV.

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gardengnome:

the just commit stuff and once in a year, they fix it to make it compile

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gardengnome:

s/the/they/

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** juski has a good laugh at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/commits/253465 **

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gardengnome:

juski: embarrassing stuff like that happens more often than you'd think

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daviey:

hmm

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stuarta:

i've already added an extra comment to the ticket

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stuarta:

to the effect that you can do a that with Storage Groups & Recording Groups

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Dagmar:

" Closing because submitter forgot to attach the patch. " lol

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daviey:

I was just thinking of checking out SVN and trying it. There hasn't been a release since September; so i thought there might be some new features worth testing

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Dagmar:

Nope

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: there might also some bugs worth reporting

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: storage groups!

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juski:

big cheepies!

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Dagmar:

Just you wait

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juski:

storage groups. ffs. more fucking setup options :(

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juski:

ahem

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Dagmar:

Storage groups will result in people submitting bugs/requests/whines that they can't keep track of all the directories the videos have been stored in

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Dagmar:

...and they'll want someone to write a database module to organize them.

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daviey:

I would like to delete video's from mythvideo

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Dagmar:

Go into mythvideo's menu under setup and any video file that are missing will POOF be gone

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juski:

video's what?

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juski:

press D while you're in the video manager

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juski:

that's ITFM

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juski:

it's amazing that some screens have menus of their own so you can do little bits of stuff like that. try pressing the menu button on various screens & get to know the program a bit better

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Dagmar:

Interesting. Seems rather quiet in the UK

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juski:

?

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Dagmar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4pY3QtiGyo

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Dagmar:

Some sort of strike for news agents to get higher salaries?

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juski:

dunno

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juski:

I hear the word 'strike' & just switch off

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Dagmar:

God only knows what it means over there

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Dagmar:

Stuffing luggage in your boots and all that

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juski:

basically means getting all mardy to whine for a payrise when there's none forthcoming

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juski:

like BBC staff aren't already on the meal-ticket to end all meal-tickets

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quicksilver:

from mythtv-cvs list: Ticket #2994: brazil porn

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quicksilver:

now that sounds like a feature which would encourage adoption

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stuarta:

yeah, it happens occasionally

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gardengnome:

do they get closed as 'feature request without a patch'?

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Neeesat25:

When displaying menus in LiveTV some white rounded lines are still displaying in screen when closing menu

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Neeesat25:

I use NVIDIA 6150 GPU Graphic card

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juski:

well, that's my fix for today

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juski:

ttfn

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Dagmar:

Oooh liar

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Dagmar:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2994

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stuarta:

they get deleted as quickly as they are put in

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Dagmar:

Darnit

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Dagmar:

Hmm...

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Dagmar:

it's mythtv-setup that sets the initial password on the mythtv account for mysql isn't it?

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daviey:

hmm, don't think so

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daviey:

Dagmar, if you installed via packages then it's the package script

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daviey:

but otherwise you make the user using mysql

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GreyFoxx:

mc.sql sets the initial password, mythtv-setup just fills the info into mysql.txt

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daviey:

mplayer or vlc for mythvideo? canny decide

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Dagmar:

Okay, Weird. Unless there's something really spectacular going on here I guess mysql sets a password equal to the username by default on new iDs

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daviey:

Dagmar, the ubuntu mythtv packages actually create a random password on each install. Makes it impossible to remember and have more than one mythbox. Seems silly to me, as most users mysqldb is on a closed lan

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Dagmar:

daviey: I can see why they'd want to do that, actually.

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Dagmar:

deviey: ...and it's mainly because idiots like to leave links to their MythWeb installation where Google can find them.

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Dagmar:

Where you find a mythweb install, you can generally be expected to be able to find a mysql database with default passswords on it

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daviey:

Dagmar, yeah, googling to find mythwebs returns LOADS

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Dagmar:

I'm working on eliminating the slack from the packages I'm building which is why I'm chasing this stuff down now

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tha_toadman:

the typical security for mythweb is a .htaccess and .htpasswd system right?

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Dagmar:

If that much

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Dagmar:

The "typical" security for it is "none".

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tha_toadman:

well i thought that was mentioned in the wiki for mythweb..?

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Dagmar:

Mentioned != followed

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tha_toadman:

i hear ya

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qu0zl:

true alright Dagmar, I've got default passwords on my mysql db

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Dagmar:

Yeah, I'm finally working over the last few items on my todo list for the mysql specialty build package

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Dagmar:

One of those things is "nuke unwanted accounts, set better passwords"

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Dagmar:

The root account is no real problem, because I can reasonably populate /root/.my.cnf and take care of that

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Dagmar:

I'm not sure what to do about the mythtv account tho

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computron:

Hey everyone what are some good ir Senders for my box?

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Hoxzer_:

old remote controllers will do pretty good

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Zider:

computron: like an ir blaster?

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tal04:

Hey everone sorry i got disconected Any way What does everyone recomend for Ir recievers and transmitters?

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Zider:

if you're handy with a soldering iron you could build it

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tal04:

Zider you got a Diagram Somewhere?

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Zider:

check out lirc homepage

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tal04:

addy?

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tal04:

got it

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Zider:

:D

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GeM:

is there a way to setup the mythbackend without installing xorg? I don't have a monitor on my backend

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quicksilver:

you don't need X on the backend, no

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quicksilver:

but you need X on a machine nearby

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qu0zl:

you can get cygwin for windows which has an X server in it

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quicksilver:

then you can use the fact that X is client-server and run the setup app on your machine which does have a screen

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qu0zl:

if you only have a windows machine

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GeM:

I cant start the mythbackend without config..

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quicksilver:

GeM: yes, so you configure it with DISPLAY pointing to a machine with a working X server

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GeM:

thanks.. I'll look into that.. can I run the mythbackend process with DISPLAY=ip:0 as an argument then ?

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tal04:

Well this is going to be an intersting project im starting to undertake WOO HOO

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stuarta:

GeM: no that's not quite right

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quicksilver:

GeM: it's an environment var not an argument

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stuarta:

it's either DISPLAY=ip:0.0 or -display ip:0.0

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quicksilver:

GeM: the easiest is to use ssh' X tunnelling facility

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quicksilver:

it sets up the env var for you

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stuarta:

the first is environment, the 2nd is an argument

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qu0zl:

easiest thing is to do "ssh -y backend.machine.ip.address' from the machine with the x server

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quicksilver:

GeM: it's not mythbackend you want to run, though. It's mythtv-setup

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quicksilver:

(mythbackend doesn't need an X connection. the setup program does)

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qu0zl:

because the thing with the x server probably won't accept tcp network connections by default so just setting display wouldn't work anyway.

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GeM:

yes, but the backend wont start without the config done with mythtv-setup

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qu0zl:

hmm dunno if it'll run or not, but it certainly won't do anything useful

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quicksilver:

GeM: exactly

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quicksilver:

GeM: that's why I say you want to run mythtv-setup

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quicksilver:

GeM: not mythbackend (yet) :)

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GeM:

ok, I'm with you :)

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tal04:

Zider have you built one of these yourself?

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Zider:

tal04: not a working one.. ;)

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tal04:

oh? whats been your problems

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Zider:

I dunno, it's just stone dead.. I think I fried something when soldering..

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tal04:

ok what one did you try to build?

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tal04:

the serialport

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Zider:

yes

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tal04:

did you build the transmitter or not?

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Zider:

no, receiver

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tal04:

ok im looking at building them both but im also trying to decide if its gonna be just as cheap to buy what i need.

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monkeyBox:

stuarta: hey, Is there a way to verify what frequency the card is currently tuned to?

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stuarta:

not a command line util

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monkeyBox:

stuarta: hmm. ok.

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stuarta:

but dvbtune should report LOCK

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monkeyBox:

staurta: dvbtune seems broken to me. It gives me an error: Unknown FE type

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stuarta:

you have dvb-utils installed?

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tal04:

Zider have you seen http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/05/19/ . . . p;frame=true

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monkeyBox:

stuarta: I'm running gentoo, don't see that pkg available

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monkeyBox:

It has dvbtune as a single package

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Zider:

tal04: looks like a lot of work

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Zider:

tal04: receiver or transmitter?

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monkeyBox:

I looked through the source code and put some fprintf statements in there to see what FE type it thought I had, and it was giving me FE_ATSC, when it seems it should be giving me FE_QAM.

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tal04:

Zider its both

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stuarta:

monkeyBox: you in the US?

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Zider:

tal04: ach so

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tal04:

it dont look to bad to do

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tal04:

and all in one peice makes me happy

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monkeyBox:

stuarta: yep

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janneg:

monkeyBox, stuarta: dvbsnoop -s feinfo can

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monkeyBox:

I have a PCHDTV card

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janneg:

read the currently used parameters

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monkeyBox:

janneg: hey, cool. thanks :)

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monkeyBox:

It would be nice if I could get dvbtune to work... I'm having to use mencoder to tune my card from the cmdline.

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monkeyBox:

What I need to be able to do is tune my card to a certain frequency w/o knowing the video/audio PIDs. mplayer/mencoder doesn't seem to do that very well.

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monkeyBox:

Maybe I can hack dvbtune to force me to FE_QAM instead of FE_ATSC :-p

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janneg:

monkeyBox: dvbtune has probably no atsc support. it's 3 years old

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stuarta:

personally i just use tzap

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GeM:

thanks for your help quicksilver.. it works great.. remote X even works with my dual-screen setup here :)

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monkeyBox:

stuarta: but azap requires a channels.conf

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janneg:

monkeyBox: just use azap

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stuarta:

normally you use scan first to get a channels.conf

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monkeyBox:

I need to be able to tune to a frequency w/o the conf file

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monkeyBox:

janneg: it has QAM support, it's just detecting my FE improperly, I think...

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monkeyBox:

what I meant is it my FE type _should_ be FE_QAM but it thinks for some reason it's FE_ATSC.

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monkeyBox:

I guess I should try to explain my ultimate goal. maybe I'm going about it the wrong way.

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janneg:

monkeyBox: no, ATSC is correct since it can receive ATSC OTA transmissions too

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janneg:

and if you want to argue about that fact go to #linuxtv

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monkeyBox:

janneg: makes sense

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janneg:

your problem is that the dvbtune is too old to know the api extension that added ATSC

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monkeyBox:

Here's my reasoning behind all this: I ran a QAM channel scan using mythtv-setup. It added roughly 200 channels. I started to watch each channel in livetv, and it would freeze for a couple of seconds, and exit out. I tuned to some frequency/serviceid's that I _knew_ worked, and they played fine. I also picked some random channels that worked, and they were channels that never came up when using other scanning apps.

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monkeyBox:

SO, I'm wanting to build a script that goes through the channels in mythconverg, and test each one of them using mencoder to output a file

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monkeyBox:

BUT, I can't do that because mencoder needs a channels.conf with a video/audio PID

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monkeyBox:

So now I'm wrting a script that goes through each frequency in the channels stored in mythconverg and use dvbsnoop to get the video & audio PIDs

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** monkeyBox catches his breath **

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janneg:

you need more than the freqency to tune

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janneg:

and it would make more sense to fix mythtv-setup

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janneg:

which version do you use?

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fryfrog:

monkeyBox: I had the same problem as you

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fryfrog:

only about 300 channels

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fryfrog:

I was only looking for the good ones, about 6

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fryfrog:

i did it all by hand

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fryfrog:

please, write your script :)

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fryfrog:

I don't think there is much you can do about myth, cause they *other* channels it finds are *valid* and real channels

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stuarta:

no we really should fix scanning in myth

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fryfrog:

they are just *ENCRYPTED* ONES :(

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fryfrog:

oops, caps

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fryfrog:

can myth determine if a channel is encrypted?

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fryfrog:

i mean, beyond the QAM64/128/256 crap?

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stuarta:

with standard dvb yes it's easy

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quicksilver:

yes, if the EIT contains any of the keywords 'HOT', 'RED', or 'DIRTY' the channel is assumed to be encrippled

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stuarta:

with plain QAM channels you have to have a more careful look at the streams

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stuarta:

quicksilver: that's not entirely true ;)

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quicksilver:

stuarta: :)

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fryfrog:

the only unencrypted channels i found were the shitty announcment type channels

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fryfrog:

like "tune to ppv13 to see blah blah blah"

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fryfrog:

oh yeah, and the shopping ones

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monkeyBox:

mythtv-0.20_p12172

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monkeyBox:

janneg: what "technically" do you need to tune to a frequency? I just need to be able to tune it so that dvbsnoop can get the Program_ID's from the PAT

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monkeyBox:

fryfrog: yeah, I found a bunch of those, but I also found other HD channels that the other cmdline scanning utils never picked up on, such as TNT HD

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fryfrog:

wait, you got TNT HD unecrypted?

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monkeyBox:

I'm nearly able to get the script working. It works when tuned to the correct channels. All I need to do is to be able to tune given a specific frequency and PID.

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fryfrog:

i'm pretty sure its encrypted where i am, i never saw that channel when i was surving

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fryfrog:

neat, if you do i'd love to test :)

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monkeyBox:

fryfrog: yeah, I think I'm lucky :-p

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fryfrog:

i can pull one of my air2pc cards off my normal line up and do a scan with it

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fryfrog:

I use my 2 DCT6412's to get TNTHD

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fryfrog:

*everythign* output over its firewire is unencrypted and digital, so even the SD channels rule

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seth|laptop:

any gentoo mythtv users here?

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tank-man:

no

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opello:

seth|laptop: yes

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seth|laptop:

opello: do you use mythweb?

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opello:

yes

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seth|laptop:

I cannot get mine to connect, keep getting an error complaining about bd_* settings

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janneg:

svn trunk checks if it can decrypt the channel although the scanner part isn't finished yet

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seth|laptop:

or rather db_*

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opello:

seth|laptop: hrm, dunno ... i'm not remembering if mine just worked or what

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opello:

probably .htaccess settings

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bal00:

hi all

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seth|laptop:

but I have changed it, my db host is on another server, is evil

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janneg:

and even 0.20 has a flag to ignore encrypted channels if the are properly marked by the provider

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stuarta:

i'm betting they aren't properly marked...

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bal00:

is there a way to tell mythtv to rescan looking for new videos on the HD from the command line

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bal00:

?

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stuarta:

er, no.

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Dagmar:

You just gotta go into the setup section for MythVideo and it will figure it out

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knox:

re

[16:53:24]

knox:

ive build mythtv from svn and still get segfault from running mythtv-setup on my bose s100

[16:54:33]

knox:

http://pastebin.ca/359202

[16:54:41]

knox:

what can i do to track down and solve the problem?

[16:56:46]

janneg:

monkeyBox: for qam you need at least also the symbolrate. FEC and inversion work probably automatic. I might work if the symbol rate is equal for all multiplexes

[16:57:06]

monkeyBox:

ick

[16:58:19]

monkeyBox:

does tzap use the same channels.conf format as mplayer? that is: CHNUM:FREQ:QAM_256:VID:AID:PID ?

[16:58:54]

jams:

how odd, to get everything I want on the motherboard, it seems that mini-itx is the best option. all the microatx/atx boards fall short

[16:59:33]

jams:

last year when I was looking at mini-itx the situation was reversed.

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knox:

could anybody please point me some way how to track down a seg fault in mythtv-setup?

[17:00:34]

Dagmar:

heheh

[17:00:52]

Dagmar:

Sure, run it under strace

[17:01:22]

monkeyBox:

jams: take a look at the IL-90MV :)

[17:01:29]

monkeyBox:

that's what I just got

[17:01:43]

monkeyBox:

it needs an expensive cpu though...

[17:01:57]

jams:

let me look

[17:02:50]

jams:

monkeyBox- does it have svideo and component out?

[17:02:57]

monkeyBox:

It's basically geared for HTPC: HDMI output, optical audio in/out, etc...

[17:03:28]

monkeyBox:

jams: do you just have a normal TV?

[17:03:37]

monkeyBox:

(ie, not HD)

[17:04:04]

jams:

yes and now

[17:04:12]

monkeyBox:

In that case, an EPIA-M* series would be your best bet

[17:04:33]

jams:

absolutly not. I will never buy another EPIA again!

[17:04:38]

stuarta:

right its beer o'clock, i'm off....

[17:04:39]

cesman:

::)

[17:04:56]

monkeyBox:

I've had an M10000 for a couple of years, and it's treated me well.

[17:05:06]

monkeyBox:

...until I got an HDTV, that is :-p

[17:05:09]

qu0zl:

jams i've a commell lv675D, mini-itx pentium M motherboard

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cesman:

knox: read the mythtv doc

[17:05:21]

jams:

this board does look about right, just wish it had svideo or some other tvout to go with that hdmi

[17:05:39]

qu0zl:

i love it, can't remember if it has svideo or not, i use a nv5200

[17:06:08]

jams:

qu0zl- i have looked at that one along with the lv677. they both look good but trying to stay away from mini-itx if I can

[17:06:27]

qu0zl:

fair enough :) i've found this one much easier than my via sp13000 though

[17:06:36]

qu0zl:

that needed xvmc which was troublesome

[17:06:50]

jams:

qu0zl- i agree it would be, cause you can use a real processor =)

[17:07:09]

jams:

monkeyBox- how much was that board?

[17:07:31]

qu0zl:

pentium-m's rock, i've seen benchmarks that saw the 1.86ghz pentium-m is about as good as a 2.8ghz p4, and i can passively cool it :)

[17:08:21]

knox:

well, then im rebuilding with compile-type debug ...

[17:08:26]

knox:

thanks for now

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juski:

well folks, no more themes from me. this fecking trojan/bot thing found its way into my ftp sites and my network shares. all the work is gone so what there is already out there, that's it :(

[17:14:29]

monkeyBox:

jams: the epia M10K? can't remember.. it was a while ago. I think you can get 'em fairly cheap now. http://froogle.com

[17:14:51]

juski:

guess that's karma working its way around to me.

[17:15:18]

Dagmar:

Eh wot?

[17:15:26]

Dagmar:

You use Windows?

[17:15:31]

juski:

duh

[17:15:43]

juski:

you think I could've done blootube with GIMP?!

[17:15:51]

Dagmar:

Frankly, yes.

[17:16:29]

juski:

well either way – it's all gone

[17:16:44]

jams:

monkeyBox- I was asking about that abit board, but I found it

[17:16:47]

juski:

every scrap of work, save what I have backed up – gone!

[17:16:50]

xris:

juski: huh?

[17:17:19]

juski:

part of me thinks maybe I pissed off one person too many & this is payback

[17:17:20]

xris:

thought you finally had it all checked into svn

[17:17:30]

juski:

yeah well that's gone too

[17:17:31]

Dagmar:

I wasn't aware there was a worm going 'round that deleted files

[17:17:47]

Dagmar:

...and I'm on enough mailing lists that I should have heard about something like that.

[17:17:58]

juski:

well someone obviously found interesting stuff & delved deeper

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xris:

sounds like someone just being nasty

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juski:

I've basically got the binary copies & that's all – i.e. what's left in /usr/share/mythtv

[17:19:52]

jams:

juski- I would be happy to host anything you might have on my site.

[17:20:11]

xris:

jams: I've been pushing for adding an svn repo for theme devs at mythtv.org, too.

[17:20:15]

xris:

it's not like we don't have enough space.

[17:20:31]

jams:

heh

[17:20:43]

jams:

that would be nice

[17:20:52]

xris:

we have 176G available, and I'm quite sure that box has at least 4 empty drive bays

[17:21:10]

juski:

I'm now officially depressed

[17:21:22]

xris:

juski: you have a pretty big right to be so.

[17:21:40]

xris:

it sucks bigtime

[17:21:58]

jams:

sure does

[17:22:15]

juski:

it's the watermarks I'm most pissed off about losing

[17:22:25]

juski:

they've taken the lions share of the time to do

[17:22:51]

Dagmar:

My boss might have backups of the stuff, if all of it was publicly available there

[17:23:29]

juski:

digging out a shit-hot undelete util I paid for a while ago. my E: drive hasn't been changed & hopefully whoever shithead did this didn't shred the files

[17:23:45]

Dagmar:

Aye, that would be pretty unlikely

[17:25:14]

juski:

so – no more saving my ftp passwords in the ftp client

[17:25:24]

xris:

juski: that's just f'd up

[17:25:37]

juski:

can't help but feel this is personal

[17:25:47]

xris:

who would you have pissed off?

[17:26:32]

Dagmar:

People mad he won't make a 4:3 version of his theme. ;)

[17:26:42]

juski:

pissed off? plenty. pissed off enough to do something like this? debatable

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xris:

could just be a script kiddie who wanted to have some fun

[17:27:44]

juski:

yeah some 'fun'

[17:28:14]

juski:

maybe it's too much of a stretch to think it's somebody I've encountered in here

[17:28:49]

Dagmar:

It was most likely a script kiddie

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juski:

found e:work

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juski:

trying to recover the .pspimage files

[17:30:05]

xris:

enough to recover?

[17:30:21]

Dagmar:

If nothing was written to the things it should be pretty much entirely recoverable

[17:30:44]

quicksilver:

juski: what was publically available might be downloadable from google's cache or other web-archives

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xris:

quicksilver: a lot of users have the theme files themselves. I think he's mostly worried about his source material

[17:32:02]

juski:

I still have what'd make up tarballs – it's the orignal working files I'd lost

[17:32:06]

** quicksilver nods **

[17:32:10]

quicksilver:

understood

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quicksilver:

g/l with the undelete

[17:32:55]

juski:

yes! got me .pspimage files back.

[17:33:00]

xris:

juski: yay!

[17:33:16]

xris:

if/when you need it, there are plenty of people here who can/will host an svn repo for you, etc.

[17:34:19]

juski:

already changed my passwords, locked off internet access to this machine. tried to force my cablebox to grab a new IP address but it's not hapenning

[17:34:28]

xris:

:(

[17:34:38]

juski:

gonna need a new no-ip address aswell I think

[17:34:58]

Dagmar:

I don't suppose you'd have any access logs, huh

[17:34:58]

xris:

or just put up a really good firewall

[17:35:20]

Dagmar:

yay windows

[17:36:02]

clever`_:

can any themes in the OSD of mythtv show comercial flags in the progress bar?

[17:36:10]

xris:

juski: actually, why don't you have a linux box running firewall,e tc?

[17:36:16]

clever`_:

so i can see how long till the next comm flag

[17:36:25]

xris:

clever`_: not that I know of, but that's a really cool idea

[17:36:39]

juski:

xris: always thought it'd be too much hassle tbh

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gardengnome:

juski: :(

[17:37:04]

clever`_:

xris: either a time left to/from the next/prev commflag or marking them on the progress bar

[17:37:06]

xris:

juski: ahh. I have too many SA friends who are crazy about security.

[17:37:21]

juski:

plus I'd not trust an ubunut box to be any kind of firewall, so I'd need a new box

[17:37:22]

clever`_:

would aid in seeing how acurate the commflags are and other stuff

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Dagmar:

Man you *need* a spare box running default deny policy

[17:37:39]

Dagmar:

It really is _not_ hard to set one up

[17:37:45]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: an openwrt device should be sufficient

[17:37:49]

Dagmar:

Pretty much

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juski:

can't afford one right now

[17:38:03]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: deny all outgoing or deny all incoming?

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clever`_:

Dagmar: a while ago i added .250 to my linux laptop

[17:38:05]

Dagmar:

This machine I IRC from is tweaked to the hills and back

[17:38:13]

clever`_:

and set iptables to log and drop every packet to .250

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clever`_:

then made the dmz .250

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Dagmar:

gardengnome: WHy would someone want to make life hard for themselves with deny all on output?

[17:38:34]

clever`_:

so all stuff the router wasnt forwading got logged by my iptablkes

[17:38:38]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: well, i was wondering if you meant just that. glad you didn't

[17:38:42]

Dagmar:

clever`_: Pardon me while I set up something to consume all your disk space then

[17:38:50]

clever`_:

lol

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: although i do deny all outgoing connections by default on my server

[17:39:01]

clever`_:

Dagmar: i was wondering how many portscans i was receiver

[17:39:18]

clever`_:

because i was detecting an extremely high ammount of them when on dialup with linux

[17:39:25]

clever`_:

but it seems avg compared to the dsl:P

[17:39:27]

Dagmar:

I've got a thing that I can use to deny outgoing connections based on gid, but it doesn't much matter. The daemons are all prevented from exec'ing new processes, stacks are protected, et cetc

[17:39:50]

Dagmar:

Nothing listens to anything coming from outside, so there's no real chance someone could even give it exploit code in the first place

[17:39:58]

quicksilver:

the thign that worries me most is that my cheap ADSL modem might have a known exploit in it

[17:40:12]

juski:

how amusing. the last 200 or so disallowed accesses to my apache server were all from NTL IP addresses

[17:40:13]

xris:

juski: verified that the source files are ok?

[17:40:17]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: RBAC would be a good thing for me, but i'm actually to lazy to make it happen. ubuntu is not the hottest thing for servers imho.

[17:40:18]

Dagmar:

quicksilver: ActionTech?

[17:40:19]

juski:

xris: seemingly

[17:40:38]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: i was talking about a public web server

[17:40:39]

xris:

you want somewhere to put them for backup? (or just burn a cd?)

[17:40:56]

juski:

haven't checked every single layer but I'm sure PSP would've puked if there was much wrong

[17:40:59]

Dagmar:

gardengnome: Well, the web server is in perl, and it might as well be considered a honeypot. :0

[17:41:06]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: heh

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clever`_:

brb phone

[17:41:29]

Dagmar:

I used to have a fake WinGate running for that reason, but it got annoying having to send emails to every damn IRC network I wanted to get on

[17:42:04]

gardengnome:

running a honeypot would be fun but i don't care enough at the moment

[17:42:32]

Dagmar:

Well, I really don't care. I just have it left over from when I got on a "let's make a content filter" kick

[17:42:36]

juski:

what a fuckiing start to my weekend

[17:42:59]

Dagmar:

juski: Look on the bright side. You undid the efforts of some tardcake script kiddie

[17:43:13]

gardengnome:

juski: it's almost unbelievable they got your ftp passwords and deleted stuff on your ftp sites. i wouldn't know why someone did a targeted attack like that

[17:43:20]

Dagmar:

...who, if you were targeted, has probbaly hit your webserver at least three times today

[17:43:30]

Dagmar:

I'd look at the logs and see if anyone has a higher number of hits than anyone else.

[17:43:40]

juski:

if it's from one of these NTL IPs they're in the UK

[17:43:51]

juski:

unless they've been hopping across

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Dagmar:

Yummy yummy possible driving distance

[17:44:14]

gardengnome:

juski: do you want the access logs for juski.mythwiki.de?

[17:44:27]

juski:

gardengnome: it would've been my ip address.

[17:44:30]

Defend:

i am also willing ot host svn/web/ftp what ever u need juski

[17:44:46]

juski:

my main site was blanked too and you can only get there from ntl addresses

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juski:

nobody could've guessed those passwords either

[17:45:19]

gardengnome:

juski: maybe the attacker downloaded your themes ;)

[17:45:21]

Dagmar:

Well, you were using FTP, yes?

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Dagmar:

I wouldn't be suprised if someone hasn't cracked a host on the provider network and is sniffing plaintext passwords

[17:46:05]

Dagmar:

...if not one of the hosts themselves.

[17:46:08]

juski:

the ftp gardengnome gave me was sftp

[17:46:46]

juski:

I'd saved my FTP passwords in my client – so all anybody had to do was get into the client

[17:46:59]

Dagmar:

Windows client?

[17:47:16]

Dagmar:

If you say you use IE I'm not going to be amused.

[17:47:23]

juski:

yeah yeah YEAH I KNOW I brought this all on myself because I use Windows

[17:47:46]

Dagmar:

No, Windows is lame but you should really only be pissed at yerself if you were using IE.

[17:47:56]

Dagmar:

There's LOTS of crime that is facilitated by IE, exclusively.

[17:48:01]

juski:

christ no. I'm daft but not bonkers

[17:48:05]

Dagmar:

OKay good then

[17:48:28]

juski:

hell I even changed banks so I could avoid using IE

[17:48:59]

gardengnome:

juski: did you change the password for your sftp account after it happened?

[17:49:07]

juski:

gardengnome: I can do that?

[17:49:45]

juski:

I need to sort this mess out properly. burning a cd as we speak. then I need to talk to my ISP about changing my password

[17:49:48]

xris:

juski: sftp == ssh

[17:50:03]

Dagmar:

While it's possible an automated program/worm snatched your passwords (this I've seen before) a careful going over with Hijackthis and/or Norton or AVG should reveal something

[17:50:12]

GreyFoxx:

juski: also odds are they have backups of your webstorage so could retrieve the original files

[17:50:19]

Dagmar:

I can't imagine someone able to craft a custom exploit being petty enough to delete an ftp site full of graphics

[17:50:28]

xris:

yeah

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juski:

like I said I think this was personal somehow

[17:50:37]

gardengnome:

juski: you can do that in syscp, but i'm gonna do it for you while you sort your mess out

[17:50:40]

** gardengnome checks logs **

[17:50:41]

xris:

almost like they vnc'd in and did things that way

[17:50:47]

Dagmar:

It's more likely the compromise came from somewhere other than yer desktop

[17:50:58]

Dagmar:

Ugh vnc

[17:51:10]

gardengnome:

maybe it was the wife? :)

[17:51:18]

juski:

hrm. I had vnc installed... not anymore it seems

[17:51:27]

Dagmar:

Dingdingding

[17:51:44]

juski:

but they must've got in thru my linux box since I don't fwd the port for it thru my router

[17:52:09]

juski:

which narrows it down to somebody I work with

[17:52:39]

Dagmar:

have you been keeping up with updating VNC?

[17:52:48]

juski:

I don't even wanna think about that.

[17:53:10]

juski:

damage has been done, undone – I'm just gonna have to be way more careful in future

[17:53:10]

Dagmar:

there's been at least two worms in the past nine months that exploited weaknesses in VNC

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cesman:

juski: sorry to hear about your loss

[17:53:42]

juski:

hang on.. when I switched to freenx I didn't switch the vnc port off

[17:53:53]

juski:

and I didn't kill the service

[17:54:17]

cesman:

juski: if you find out who did it, i'd be happy to fly to manchester and help you settle things

[17:54:24]

juski:

heh cheers

[17:54:39]

GreyFoxx:

actually that sounds like a good reason for me to take a trip. Count me in

[17:54:53]

Dagmar:

I <3 vigilantism

[17:54:57]

juski:

no .vnc dir in my home.. grrr

[17:55:08]

gardengnome:

juski: do you have a real router, one that'll do NAT?

[17:55:13]

juski:

aye

[17:55:35]

juski:

only have two ports open now

[17:55:43]

juski:

80 & %someother

[17:56:05]

Dagmar:

%someother probably shouldn't be VNC

[17:56:32]

Dagmar:

On gen'ral principle, incoming connections should get at least nominally logged so you have an idea where to send the goons

[17:57:02]

Dagmar:

Incoming connections on ports that have a chance of being listened to, mind you

[17:59:37]

** xris really likes kormoc's badhosts script for blocking incoming attempts.. only helps for ssh, though **

[17:59:50]

xris:

(well, for linux, anyway — would be easy to adapt for ftp, etc)

[18:00:14]

gardengnome:

sftp FTW!

[18:02:01]

juski:

time to check in what's left in /usr/share to subversion

[18:02:28]

xris:

gardengnome: yes

[18:02:46]

juski:

not much use when you save your passwords in the client

[18:03:06]

ctjctj:

I just tried to make an archive DVD on a frontend only box. I get a python backtrace. Can I archive files from the backend to a remote frontend?

[18:03:09]

juski:

so there's still a use for those little black books

[18:03:51]

juski:

gardengnome: the last user I replied to on the forums.. what's his IP address?

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juski:

gonna see if it's in my apache log

[18:04:22]

cesman:

ctjctj: is the filesystem mounted?

[18:04:41]

cesman:

I've made an ISO on my backend slave

[18:04:44]

gardengnome:

juski: FYI, your stuff on my box got deleted at 17:23 german time, that's 16:23 your time

[18:04:47]

ctjctj:

The remote file system is not mounted.

[18:04:57]

cesman:

all my recordings are on MBE and it is mounted

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cesman:

that is mostly the issue

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cesman:

and on that note....

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cesman:

later folks

[18:05:40]

ctjctj:

cesman, so mytharchive does not pull the video across using mythprotocols?

[18:05:53]

juski:

16:23? I was almost home then

[18:05:59]

juski:

later cesman

[18:06:00]

cesman:

juski: hope things get squared away

[18:06:09]

cesman:

don't forget my offer

[18:06:36]

juski:

heh. nice to know I can count on 'the boys'

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gardengnome:

juski: duh, the clock on our server is wrong

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cesman:

ctjctj: I just about told you you need to mount the filesystem

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ctjctj:

thanks.

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gardengnome:

juski: make that 16:36 approaximately.

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juski:

ffs. must've just been coming through my front door :(

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juski:

well, that makes it a tad more annoying

[18:12:55]

Dagmar:

I know what can make it better.

[18:13:04]

Dagmar:

A pint (or three).

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gardengnome:

is the computer used by your wife? maybe someone sent her a nasty trojan via email.

[18:13:18]

juski:

bottle of red, or 2 :)

[18:13:31]

Dagmar:

There we go. That's the idea.

[18:13:34]

Cyberai:

I hesitate to ask, because the answer is usually the same – but.... Does anyone here today have much expertise in the mythtv feature for running the GUI and video in different resolutions?

[18:13:49]

Dagmar:

Cyberai: What about it is confusing you?

[18:13:58]

Cyberai:

the fact that it crashes myth

[18:14:02]

juski:

I've never figured out why anybody would want to do that, but there you go

[18:14:17]

GreyFoxx:

Cyberai: Generate a backtrace and submitt a bug report to trac

[18:14:59]

Dagmar:

Definitely enough lag in the interface as it is without waiting for a display to freaking modeswitch

[18:15:20]

Cyberai:

juski, on a 1080p monitor, a regular US NTSC cable transmission is kinda small, only taking up about 50% of the screen with black bands on all 4 sides. I like the idea o fbeing able to size it to the screen with small bars on the vertical sides.

[18:15:59]

xris:

Cyberai: huh? your tv doesn't scale vertically?

[18:15:59]

Dagmar:

Yeah, so?

[18:16:03]

Cyberai:

well, It's wither the modeswitch or something about the preview window in the channel guide that causes the crash

[18:16:14]

xris:

or are you talking about shows that add fake letterboxing on their own?

[18:16:20]

GreyFoxx:

Cyberai: if your X resolution is using the full screen then assuming you have the x drivers installed your video should be scaled to fullscreen

[18:16:34]

Dagmar:

Probably the preview window in the guide, but I'm having trouble grasping why you'd run the display in something other than the native resolution anyway

[18:17:09]

Cyberai:

well, here is what I have – xorg os configged to 1920x1080. When I am in the gui, it's a full fit, perfect res pixel to pixel

[18:17:55]

Cyberai:

when I go to watch regular tv, it's in the middle of the screen, takes up about half the screen and has wide black bars on the sides and smaller ones at top and bottom.

[18:18:15]

Cyberai:

DVD's fill the screen perfect with the internal player

[18:18:25]

Dagmar:

Sounds like you are using the "run the GUI and TV in different resolutions" feature and shouoldn't be

[18:18:28]

Cyberai:

videos in any format fill the screen perfect using mplayer

[18:18:40]

GreyFoxx:

Cyberai: It should be scaled to full screen, if it's not then something is definately incorrectly setup

[18:18:43]

Cyberai:

ok Dagmar, what should I be doing?

[18:19:00]

Dagmar:

Leaving the display output in 1920x1080 all the time

[18:19:10]

Cyberai:

I also tried the setup feature to resize/reposition and got similar problems

[18:19:16]

Dagmar:

Myth and X will automatically upscale everything.

[18:19:43]

Dagmar:

There's not very many good reasons to use different resolutions

[18:19:52]

Cyberai:

ok, let's assume there are no bars at top and bottom, because that could be the tv channel letterboxing

[18:20:22]

Cyberai:

I'm interested in zooming it in a little more and stretching it slightly in the horizontal so I get close to a full screen experience

[18:20:40]

Cyberai:

am i just treading near the third rail?

[18:20:42]

Dagmar:

There's overscan adjustments for that

[18:20:56]

Cyberai:

I tried overscan adjustment, it also caused crashes

[18:20:58]

Dagmar:

don't screw around with the resolution of the display. It'll always do the right thing if you just leave it be

[18:21:20]

Dagmar:

Did you build this with --enable-xvmc-opengl or something?

[18:21:23]

Dibblah:

The advantage with using native-to-the-content resolutions is only applicable for higher-end hardware, really.

[18:21:35]

Cyberai:

both overscan adustment and running in different modes behaved the same. you can watch TV, but if you go to the channel guide and then select another channel to switch to it goes black and locks up

[18:21:50]

Dagmar:

That's called a "bug".

[18:21:59]

Dibblah:

Which is that the purpose built scaler in the HDTV is doing the scaling, rather than the 'cheap' XV scaling.

[18:22:07]

Cyberai:

Dagmar, I did not build from source, i used MythDora

[18:22:22]

Dagmar:

So try asking them about it

[18:23:49]

Cyberai:

Turning on xvmc actually causes skipping on recordings for me so I have it off. My recordings quality is very nice as is. I can also play a 1080p wmv file with no problems, beautiful picture, perfect sound.

[18:24:28]

Cyberai:

So far as I can tell my hardware is beefy enough I don't need to offset the processing to the video card using xvmc

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Cyberai:

2.6 P4, 1 GB RAM, GeForce 6200

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Cyberai:

I'm installing an HD card this weekend. I'll be interested to see if I get different results. on those channels.

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Cyberai:

Dibblah, is there anything I should do as far as video setup when I install my HD card (AirStar HD5000HD)?

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S2:

hey! still alive?

[18:44:33]

S2:

is my connection broken?

[18:44:42]

S2:

nobody is writing things!!!

[18:44:55]

S2:

that's really unusual a wired

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S2:

i can hear the silence

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GreyFoxx:

S2, noone has anything to say. It happens a lot. Sometimes for hours at a time :)

[18:45:24]

S2:

can't belive that

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S2:

never saw it

[18:45:50]

S2:

this channel is always full of people talking about stuff

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GreyFoxx:

I see it all the time, mostly late evening though

[18:46:02]

S2:

sometimes answering 10 questions at time

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S2:

then i have to join more often :)

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ctjctj:

Sometimes I can't keep up and work at the same times, other times it sits for an hour with out scrolling.

[19:05:38]

monkeyBox:

heh.. it looks like I can force the tuner to a channel using mencoder or mplayer without knowing the vid/pid

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monkeyBox:

err. vid/aid

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daviey:

Can somebody share their mplayer parameters for mythvideo??

[19:13:23]

fysa:

I switched to xine.

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GreyFoxx:

daviey: I use to just use -fs -zoom, but I haven't used mplayer as my default player in close to 2 years now

[19:14:08]

kormoc:

daviey, they're in the wiki likely

[19:14:50]

daviey:

thanks; i use internal for most video's but i want to use something different for a particular file type

[19:14:54]

fysa:

I have a few hundred line mplayer script that runs mencoder, does crop detection and scales aspect ratio correctly before playing. It shows the Pac-Man screensaver while processing.

[19:15:09]

daviey:

fysa, your keen

[19:15:44]

fysa:

mplayer didn't like switching between X11 displays of different aspect.

[19:16:03]

daviey:

why does nobody use vlc?

[19:16:06]

fysa:

and for some reason, I would have this blue line on the left/right side.

[19:16:16]

fysa:

from the myth interface.

[19:16:32]

fysa:

so I had to do some autocrop/size to make it fit perfectly.

[19:16:47]

fysa:

with xine, everything works fine..

[19:17:42]

fysa:

there's not many cases where you'd really need VLC. from what I understand, it plays a lot — but just doesn't lend itself to integration as well.

[19:19:33]

daviey:

mplayer, using fs and zoom i still have black borders on a 16:9 video and tv

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fysa:

-monitoraspect 16:9

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fysa:

do you have borders in myth also?

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daviey:

nope

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kormoc:

daviey, as for why noone uses vlc, why don't you use vlc?

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fysa:

make sure your "DisplaySize" in xorg.conf is correct

[19:22:33]

daviey:

i prefer internal for evething

[19:22:36]

daviey:

fysa, thats fine

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kormoc:

daviey, so there you go, that's why people don't use it :P

[19:23:01]

fysa:

yeah, I would try -monitoraspect 16:9 then and see if it makes any difference.

[19:23:58]

fysa:

and make sure it's not in the source material..

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fysa:

sometimes source material will have a few lines of black.

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daviey:

fysa, that did it. thanks

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daviey:

monitoraspect

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daviey:

now, here is the question. MythVideo settings allows different file extensions to be handled differently. However, it doesn't show the filetype i want. Is there anywhere i can add this?

[19:27:18]

daviey:

*ignore me* there is a BIG BUTTON that says new

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juski:

reckon I've got stuff just about fixed up now

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immolo:

daviey- under settings for mythvideo

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immolo:

its easy to find if you go to settings in your frontend though

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soulfury:

has anyone been able to hook their linux box up to an HDTV?

[19:41:52]

xris:

soulfury: nope.

[19:42:03]

immolo:

soulfury- using nvidia yes

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kormoc:

lots of people do

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immolo:

but it looks sucky

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xris:

immolo: why do you say that?

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soulfury:

I've tweaked my xorg.conf for 3 days now, can't get it to display anything higher then 640x480 on my HDTV

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xris:

soulfury: what kind of connection are you using?

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kormoc:

video card?

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immolo:

xris- compared to sky hd it looked bad anyway

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juski:

$ky HD looks bad enough on its own

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immolo:

I thought it looked ok

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xris:

immolo: depends on the connection, etc.

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hjohnson:

it boils down to the datarate used.

[19:44:05]

immolo:

xris- and lack of effort most likey

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hjohnson:

here, the HDTV OTA is 18 megabit... Satellite is 6 megabit for HD, and cable is 3 to 4 megabit.

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juski:

6 mb/sec for HD?!?!?!?!

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soulfury:

I've got an intel 945

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soulfury:

DVI out from the laptop to HDMI in on the TV

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juski:

maybe if it's h.264 you could get away with that but otherwise I can't see that being up to scratch

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Dagmar:

6Mb/sec??

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Dagmar:

Do the math on thta

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soulfury:

juski he said megabit

[19:45:14]

soulfury:

not megabyte

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Dagmar:

Something is VERY wrong

[19:45:30]

soulfury:

HD video feeds look awesome on my TV through my windows box

[19:45:38]

soulfury:

i've got my myth back end server all ready to go

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hjohnson:

yeah, I said megabit.

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soulfury:

and cant get my front end client to play ball =/

[19:45:52]

hjohnson:

not sure what compression they're using though.

[19:45:54]

juski:

6Mb/sec HDTV would look baaaad

[19:45:58]

hjohnson:

whether its 264 or mpeg2.

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juski:

mpeg2 anyway

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doc|home:

anyone using nuvexport? is it strange that it only uses about <10% of cpu power?

[19:46:03]

xris:

soulfury: could just be the video card driver...

[19:46:10]

GreyFoxx:

It's a matter of getting your X drivers to use the right video modes

[19:46:11]

S2:

does mythvideo work if the videos are on the backend server? i can't see the videos in the brower.

[19:46:18]

xris:

doc|home: nuvexport doesn't do the actual encoding

[19:46:20]

immolo:

doc|home- use --nice=8

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soulfury:

xris:: well thats the thing, you gotta use this lame 915resolution app to jack the video bios into passing whatever modes you want to xorg

[19:46:38]

doc|home:

xris: *nods* transcode in my case

[19:46:38]

soulfury:

i wonder if i would be better off persuing a different driver instead of the i810?

[19:46:39]

GreyFoxx:

S2: It doesn't stream them, so you would have to mount the directory to the frontend

[19:46:42]

Dagmar:

doc|home: nuvexport is a perl script. It's not actually doing any serious work.

[19:46:52]

S2:

GreyFoxx, oh. ok.

[19:46:57]

Dagmar:

wow lagtacular

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doc|home:

Dagmar: yep

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doc|home:

:)

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Dagmar:

Ooo! Before I forget

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soulfury:

xris care to look at my xorg log?

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xris:

doc|home: I've never had any issues. when I run it, I get two ffmpeg processes that each use about 80% of the cpu (love dual core), along with mythtranscode/etc taking up the rest.

[19:47:19]

S2:

GreyFoxx, can mythfrontend do that?

[19:47:21]

soulfury:

im out of ideas here =/

[19:47:28]

xris:

soulfury: can't now.. supposed to be working.

[19:47:36]

GreyFoxx:

S2: Can it do what ?

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doc|home:

xris: hmmm, mine's about 3% on dual core

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Dagmar:

xris: Would you have strenuous objections to a patch that maybe takes existing bit rates for audio into account and allows resampling (not NOT resampling in my case) to something other than 48Khz?

[19:47:53]

S2:

GreyFoxx, automatically mount a remote folder on the backend

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GreyFoxx:

no

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GreyFoxx:

You and or your OS do that

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doc|home:

ah wait, the proc just stepped up so it's not too bad. 4 hrs -> 2

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S2:

GreyFoxx, ok. thanks.

[19:48:25]

xris:

Dagmar: probably

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Dagmar:

xris: You'd have an objection to that? Is there something I don't know about the codecs?

[19:48:49]

xris:

doc|home: nuvexport runs as nice level 19, which is lowest priority

[19:49:09]

xris:

Dagmar: no.. it just depends on what exactly the patch does (i.e. how you implement the feature)

[19:49:13]

hjohnson:

that means it will occupy all the spare CPU cycles rather than letting it idle.

[19:49:13]

Dagmar:

I record pretty much everything at 44.1Khz, just for simplicity's sake and becuase I'm not burning anything to a playable DVD format

[19:49:41]

doc|home:

xris: can you bump that up without killing it?

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Dagmar:

xirs: Oh... No problems there. It'll just be a matter of nothing special happening if a switch for a specific output sample rate isn't applied

[19:49:48]

xris:

doc|home: man renice

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hjohnson:

I once wrote a rather high quality 44.1->48kHz interpolator.. but man it was cpu intensive. :)

[19:49:58]

xris:

doc|home: there's also a config setting you can pass in for the nice level

[19:49:59]

doc|home:

xris: thanks, forgot renice existed :)

[19:50:13]

Dagmar:

Yeah, see I know it'll introduce a bit of artifacting if my recordings are resampled

[19:50:23]

hjohnson:

doc|home: if you bump it up, it won't run much faster though, if th emachine is otherwise idle, it will still ocuppy all available CPU time..

[19:50:37]

doc|home:

hjohnson: that's a good point, thanks

[19:50:38]

hjohnson:

doc|home: all bumping it up does is put it ahead of other processes that may also want CPU time...

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kormoc:

soulfury, are you attempting to use a 16:9 tv on the i810?

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** doc|home ndos **

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doc|home:

*nods

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gardengnome:

juski: you got mail

[19:51:45]

juski:

cheers :)

[19:51:59]

juski:

fixed windblows, wasn't a very nasty hack

[19:52:18]

gardengnome:

juski: good.

[19:52:29]

juski:

I need to dualboot or vm this box though

[19:52:31]

gardengnome:

juski: i wish i could see what that guy did on the server.

[19:52:42]

gardengnome:

juski: www.virtualbox.org :)

[19:52:49]

juski:

prolly just went after the tarballs dir

[19:53:02]

gardengnome:

yeah

[19:53:08]

gardengnome:

i should have set up chrooting, though

[19:53:19]

xris:

gardengnome: xen

[19:53:25]

juski:

I'll write this password down & delete the email

[19:53:34]

gardengnome:

xris: not for me, thanks

[19:53:36]

xris:

juski: or just change the pw

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gardengnome:

juski: thanks for comforting my paranoia :)

[19:54:52]

juski:

what was I saying yesterday – about one of the webpages being semi-there? I'd not do a half-assed job of it... pfft. talk about portentious

[19:55:28]

gardengnome:

heh

[19:55:56]

juski:

it'll teach me a lesson about talking in channel about an infected machine too

[19:56:46]

juski:

pssst! that's another can opened

[19:57:05]

xris:

juski: at least you haven't yet typed your master ssh password into an irc channel.

[19:57:19]

** xris grumbles about having to change his password in like 40 different places. **

[19:57:51]

juski:

I've typed my password into a putty session a couple of times by mistake

[19:58:27]

juski:

helps that I've used non-words since erm... well a long time anyway

[19:59:21]

xris:

mine are all mostly phrases now. and none in english.

[19:59:33]

juski:

I could celebrate tonight – for 2 reasons. wednesday made the 9th anniversary of me moving down here

[19:59:53]

gardengnome:

juski: did you actually recover your themes?

[20:00:08]

soulfury:

kormoc sorry

[20:00:12]

soulfury:

kormoc:: yeah I am

[20:00:21]

juski:

they didn't find the last tarballs I made

[20:00:35]

soulfury:

kormoc:: well actually, anything higher than 640x480 =P

[20:00:46]

kormoc:

soulfury, you said you used a 915 bios changer, have you tried the 855 res changer?

[20:00:49]

juski:

I'd burnt them to cd, plus the in-progress one was still in /usr/share/mythtv

[20:00:51]

gardengnome:

juski: so you've got the source files as well?

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juski:

I managed to undelete the source files, thank f***

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gardengnome:

juski: that's great, you're lucky!

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soulfury:

kormoc:: from what i've read, 915resolution is the new 855resolution

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juski:

if they'd have been shredded I might've just given up

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kormoc:

soulfury, yeah, it's just a user just two days ago with the same card had to use the 855, as the 915 didn't work

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juski:

just had to edit the webpages from a backup I'd made so they don't have the teaser page anymore

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soulfury:

oh

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soulfury:

the 855 you say

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** kormoc nods **

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soulfury:

i'll give that a shot

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kormoc:

might not help, but worth a try

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** juski curses his slow upload pipe **

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soulfury:

im wondering what all modes i should specify

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soulfury:

you can see from my xorg log that it sees the digital flat panel's size is 1920x540

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juski:

540?! and they call that HD?!

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soulfury:

its interlaced

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soulfury:

1920x1080 is actually 1920x540, when you're talking about 1080i

[20:04:50]

juski:

true

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juski:

right this should be the last tarball now

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janneg:

soulfury: that's only true for the fields. even a 1920x1080i display should have 1080 lines

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juski:

at least it's 1920x$, unlike 99% of the 'HD' sets I've seen for sale... 1024x768 anybody?

[20:09:03]

soulfury:

hah

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soulfury:

blasted repositories

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soulfury:

apt-get install 855resolution gives you 915resolution

[20:10:17]

Dagmar:

Bah no it's not 540

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juski:

blimey. blootube made it into atrpms

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Dagmar:

it's still two fields of 540, just like every other interlaced res

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juski:

file sizes check out :) whee

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gardengnome:

juski: on unrelated news, i saw axel thimm buying more RAM

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Dagmar:

*shudder*

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gardengnome:

juski: :)

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soulfury:

kormoc you sure they had the same card? 855resolution is returning Known VBIOS structure

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** juski laughs **

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kormoc:

soulfury, I believe so, aye

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juski:

hell my own frontend is man enough for blootube-wide

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juski:

*isn't*

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juski:

gah I'll change that passwrod when I'm sober again

[20:20:39]

gardengnome:

yummy, booze

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daviey:

mine is *almost* an enough with 512mb ram. Takes an age to load, but once up it's fine. May crash once a week

[20:25:09]

daviey:

(that does involve heavy swapping though)

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Dagmar:

A looong damn time

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Dagmar:

Not even realtime

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xris:

doc|home: the ETA is for that phase of the encode...

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doc|home:

ouch

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doc|home:

ok, thanks

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xris:

which is either a "pass" (for 2-pass) or for the show in single pass mode

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doc|home:

oh bugger, so that means it could be even longer :(

[21:17:48]

Dagmar:

two-pass takes a good long time

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Dagmar:

At least double realtime

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Dagmar:

deinterlacing increases the time dramatically

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doc|home:

hmmm, ok, after this one's done I'm going to kill the job and start again on the other 5 episodes

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computron:

Hey does anyone know if it matters how you put in an LED

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computron:

in others words is it like a resistor where + and – matters

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Dagmar:

Guess what LED stands for?

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computron:

Light emitting diode

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computron:

for the IR emitter

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Dagmar:

...and the last word being diode, means...

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computron:

yes i know what a diode is

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doc|home:

I don't believe it, all that time and it gave me as far as the first cut point, then nothig

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doc|home:

argh

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Dagmar:

It means electricity only goes through it one way

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computron:

yea so now im thinking i have it backwards

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Dagmar:

Resistors typically have no polarity

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computron:

as im getting nothing through my unit

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Majost:

has anyone been able to install the nvidia 9746 drivers on a knoppmyth install?

[21:53:33]

Majost:

I am having issues with the official nvidia driver installer

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doc|home:

is it possible to set the format that stuff is recorded too?

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Majost:

doc: I believe so...

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Majost:

but it somewhat depends on the tuner you have

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doc|home:

pvr-150

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Majost:

probably not then

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doc|home:

bugger

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Majost:

its going to be pushed throught the mpeg2 encoder chip

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antiProzak:

here is an odd one. I've been using mythtv since the past fall. There are some shows that "jump" into black & white, Heroes and Wheel of Fortune. Any idea where I should look? I am using the ivtv driver and have a PVR-150

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Majost:

and result in an mpeg2 stream

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Majost:

huh

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Zider:

woo, I finally got a working ebuild for mythstream! ;)

[22:13:24]

Majost:

thats really odd

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Majost:

antiProzak, Im no expert... but I don't even know what could cause that

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antiProzak:

I see other people talk about it

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antiProzak:

maybe its the PVR-150

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Majost:

possibly

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antiProzak:

google showed results, but no solutions

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Majost:

I have a PVR150 MCE... but never have I seen that

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doc|home:

same here

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Majost:

every now and then I will get encoding artifacts which have weird horizontal lines

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Majost:

but its pretty rare

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computron:

ok everyone i have a problem i need a hand getting my it transmitter working

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Majost:

huh?

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computron:

ir not it

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computron:

sorry

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Majost:

heh

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Majost:

np

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Majost:

you using knoppmyth?

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computron:

no im using winlirc right now

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computron:

im only trying to get a new transmitter working

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computron:

for the box im going to build i just need to get this stuff working first

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Majost:

ah

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Majost:

never used winlirc

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computron:

any ideas of a good windows ir program so i can test and make sure its not the hardware

[22:19:31]

Majost:

nope

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Majost:

don't use windows

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Majost:

heh

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gardengnome:

computron: you can check if it's sending anything with a digital camera afair

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computron:

??

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computron:

how

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Zider:

depends a bit on the cam tho

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Majost:

most digital ccd can see the IR led in the remote

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computron:

i really just need to see if the LED is working

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computron:

if it is then im sure i can get the rest right

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Majost:

then that should do it for you

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computron:

hmm now does my cam have that ability

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computron:

i guess the second question i have is what wavelength Ir is needed?

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Majost:

you know you can buy an MCE remote w/receiver and IR blaster for like $30

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Majost:

just saying

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Majost:

heh

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computron:

yea but what fun is that

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computron:

i have all the parts

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computron:

i just need to figure out what wavelength i need

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juski:

IR is pretty much IR when it comes to remote controls

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computron:

I thought wavelength was a big deal but if not ok

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juski:

most likely thing is you've got the IR LED the wrong way round – if so, chances are it might be fried or at least damaged

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Majost:

wavelength will detirmine spectrum

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Majost:

heh

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Majost:

if its ir..like they are saying... it shouldn't be a problem

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gardengnome:

juski: there are two different frequencies for IR remotes, though. which are actually used, i mean ;)

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juski:

LEDs put out a pretty wide spectrum compared to er... lasers – but then not as wide as an incandescent bulb ;)

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juski:

consumer IR is usually 38khz

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juski:

only weirdos like B&O use other freqs :)

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computron:

well the one i have is 940nm

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juski:

some remotes exist that use an IrDA-like protocol but they're thankfully rare

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juski:

computron: that's more or less in the middle of the IR range IIRC

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juski:

check the polarity

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juski:

maybe stick a regular LED in its place just to confirm the circuit works

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juski:

on that note I'll leave you to your fun

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juski:

g'night

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ctjctj:

computron, you have to invert that 940nm (nanometers) into khz.

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computron:

ok will try that

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computron:

im wondering if i have the wrong LED

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computron:

if i put a regular LED in will it "blink" like the ir one does??

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gardengnome:

that's what juski's message suggests

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computron:

yea its kinda odd i thought

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computron:

i figured it would be way to fast.

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gardengnome:

just try it

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frankrizzo:

I am having problems with knoppmyth and formatting the harddrive

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frankrizzo:

aparently I need to do a manual install if I have sata

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Zider:

that's not mythtvs fault :P

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daviey:

frankrizzo, i think the latest knoppmyth fixes that. Try the knoppmyth forums

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frankrizzo:

i know

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frankrizzo:

i'll try the forums, but I downloaded knoppmyth last week

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frankrizzo:

the latest beta

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psofa:

i was wondering whats better. the xv video scaling or the monitors resolution interpolation?

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hjohnson:

psofa: LCD or CRT?

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psofa:

err yes forgot, lcd

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psofa:

crt's interpolation is pretty good

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hjohnson:

well, it doesn't interpolate really.

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psofa:

i have actually no idea on what interpolation means really :P

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hjohnson:

probably depends on the interpolation scheme used on the LCD... xv will be more consistent, obviously.

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hjohnson:

it means how you guess at the pixels between the ones you know about.

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hjohnson:

(in this example at least)

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hjohnson:

and is probably better than most cheap LCDs...

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psofa:

ah then it doesnt make sense on a crt :P

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hjohnson:

exactly.

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daviey:

Hey, anybody had problems getting NOVA-T 500 working on linux?

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