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| [00:19:21] | rpz: | Hey guys, I'm looking for some windows code to change the channel on my WinTV PVR-350, or a non-open source command line tool or similar. I know this is probably not the best place to ask, but I'm at a loss for other ideas, any suggestions? |
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| [00:19:54] | Dagmar: | This is ENTIRELY NOT the place to ask. |
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| [00:20:07] | Dagmar: | * MythTV doesn't run on Windows. |
| [00:20:11] | monkeyBox: | kormoc: you there? |
| [00:20:12] | Dagmar: | * MythTV is open-source. |
| [00:20:28] | Dagmar: | * The card *came* with Windows drivers. |
| [00:20:31] | livingtm: | Ahhhhh... So. I cant start my backend.. authentication failure.... Ubuntu... and I used the password in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [00:20:32] | Dagmar: | * Google is your friend. |
| [00:20:58] | Dagmar: | livingtm: what *kind* of authentication failure? |
| [00:21:18] | livingtm: | "None of the authentication protocols specified are supported...blah blah" |
| [00:21:26] | Dagmar: | grrr |
| [00:21:35] | livingtm: | indeed |
| [00:21:35] | Dagmar: | Okay, you do blah blah blah, and then blah to fix it. |
| [00:21:48] | livingtm: | i figured it was a standard error :-) |
| [00:21:51] | livingtm: | you need the blah blah? |
| [00:22:03] | rpz: | Dagmar: I'm aware of absolutely all of your points, you haven't actually told me anything new, would it really hurt you to make a more sensible suggestion rather than just churning out the same thing that you say to anyone who asks a question that you don't want to answer? |
| [00:22:16] | livingtm: | "Non of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed" |
| [00:22:17] | Dagmar: | rpz: How about "get stuffed windows lamer" |
| [00:22:38] | Dagmar: | livingtm: You're aware that's an X error and the backend doesn't actually need to talk to X, right? |
| [00:22:42] | rpz: | haha |
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| [00:22:57] | livingtm: | Dagmar, no im not. regardless, mythbacked spits out THAT error and doesnt start. |
| [00:23:02] | Dagmar: | It's not our responsibility to tell you anything new, rpz |
| [00:23:11] | Dagmar: | livingtm: What are you doing to start the backend? |
| [00:23:18] | Dagmar: | This isn't the first time I've seen that by the way |
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| [00:23:29] | Dagmar: | Hopefulyl this time I won't have anything stop me from sussing it out |
| [00:23:42] | livingtm: | sudo /etc/init.d/blah blah ;-) |
| [00:23:58] | rpz: | I'm not saying its your responsibility, was just asking for help and as usual when dealing with these *nix 'gurus' I've been met with ignorance |
| [00:24:26] | Dagmar: | rpz: You're not asking for Unix help. And now you're being insulting. So fuck off already and don't come back. |
| [00:24:54] | rpz: | Bye now |
| [00:24:59] | Milosch: | flame bait |
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| [00:25:07] | Dagmar: | livingtm: Well, I didn't cause it, so it won't be me doing it, but the reason I was explicit about the X thing is that I'm of the opnion that that bug is so stupid someone should be apologizing to you for it |
| [00:25:26] | Dagmar: | livingtm: This is going to be a pain but could you pastebin that init script? |
| [00:25:45] | Dagmar: | ...and no the 'blah' thing is now officially played out so don't even think it. |
| [00:25:46] | Dagmar: | Heh |
| [00:25:52] | livingtm: | wait... i just ran "sudo mythtvbackend" |
| [00:25:57] | livingtm: | and did get more errors |
| [00:26:12] | livingtm: | access denied for user |
| [00:26:18] | livingtm: | okay.. making more sense |
| [00:26:34] | livingtm: | where do i tell the backend what the mysql password is? because i didnt see a prompt for it anywhere |
| [00:27:10] | Dagmar: | livingtm: OKay, for one the environment is not quite what maybe you think it is when you sudo |
| [00:27:23] | livingtm: | in the front end setup it DOES ask for it.. but for that i copied and pasted out of the mysql.txt |
| [00:27:30] | Dagmar: | livingtm: If you want to try that approach, use `su -` maybe to get a full root shell or something |
| [00:27:47] | livingtm: | Dagmar, i logged in as mythtv when i an the mythtv-setup |
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| [00:27:59] | livingtm: | ran, not an |
| [00:28:04] | Dagmar: | livingtm: It's actually not necessary to tell the password to mythtv-setup if Ubuntu already populated your myswql.txt with it |
| [00:28:11] | livingtm: | oh ok |
| [00:28:13] | ** monkeyBox is having issues w/ BitchX ** | |
| [00:28:18] | livingtm: | then what is it bitch ing at :) |
| [00:28:39] | Dagmar: | The mysql.txt file contains the very password the backend is going to use. ubuntu setting a *random* password is the funxors |
| [00:28:58] | Dagmar: | livingtm: I'm betting you have more than one mysql.txt floating around now. |
| [00:29:15] | livingtm: | mysql is a bitch like that |
| [00:29:15] | Dagmar: | livingtm: Try `find /usr /etc /home -name mysql.txt` and give it a few minutes |
| [00:29:37] | Dagmar: | livingtm: If everything is running on one machine, you tell it "localhost" not 127.0.0.1 actually |
| [00:29:46] | livingtm: | okay ill try that. |
| [00:29:57] | Dagmar: | I know they're the same, and you know they're the same, but with respect to MySQL tools they're not the same. |
| [00:30:05] | Dagmar: | ...which is just flaccid. |
| [00:30:08] | livingtm: | indeed |
| [00:30:14] | livingtm: | floppy indeed |
| [00:30:22] | Dagmar: | If you tell a mysql tool to connect to a server on 127.0.0.1, it will use a TCP socket to do so. |
| [00:30:41] | Dagmar: | If you tell it to connect to a server on 'localhost' it will use a UNIX socket, which does not use the networking stack, and will actually work |
| [00:30:52] | Dagmar: | ...because every sane default mysql installation has networking disabled by default. |
| [00:31:10] | livingtm: | right |
| [00:32:10] | Dagmar: | So put "DBHostName=localhost" into mysql.txt |
| [00:32:28] | Dagmar: | It should put a stop to the errors |
| [00:32:53] | ctjctj: | Fun of the day. Sound use to work on living room box running knoppMyth, now sound works in Windows but not KnoppMythn. Time to go google... |
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| [00:33:33] | Dagmar: | ctjctj: Sounds like more ALSA antifun |
| [00:33:54] | Dagmar: | I wasted about three hours this morning trying to get ALSA to handle my sound routing correctly on the integrated chipset |
| [00:34:15] | ctjctj: | Not sure we got that far. It probed and detected the right sound card but no /proc/sound and no audio devices in /dev |
| [00:34:22] | Dagmar: | euwww |
| [00:35:02] | livingtm: | Dagmar, nope, same stuff... |
| [00:35:06] | livingtm: | still using th eipaddress |
| [00:35:20] | livingtm: | eventhough the text file says localhost |
| [00:35:48] | Dagmar: | Okay. Either you have another mysql.txt it's reading that you haven't looked for yet, or there's something kinda stupid giong on that will require you to run mythtv-setup again |
| [00:35:57] | ctjctj: | livingtm, try mysql -u mythtv -p -h localhost mythconverg at the password propmpt type mythtv |
| [00:37:51] | ctjctj: | s/IMHO// |
| [00:38:01] | Dagmar: | ...but you are *ahem* paraphrasing error messages again, which is not useful |
| [00:39:04] | ctjctj: | Dagmar, this implies the mysql server is on the localhost and that the passwords are correct from the point of view of mysql. Therefore there is a problem with his mysql.txt (which you said) or the backend is not running? |
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| [00:39:25] | Dagmar: | Well, he's trying to start the backend, so I surely hope it's not running |
| [00:39:58] | livingtm: | (using passowrd: YES) |
| [00:40:05] | Dagmar: | mythtvbackend? |
| [00:40:12] | Dagmar: | Not just `mythbackend`? |
| [00:40:34] | livingtm: | mytbackend sorry, three screens, two keyboards, and two whining kids |
| [00:40:43] | Dagmar: | We need to find the person making these Ubuntu packages and have a little pillowcase party sometime. |
| [00:40:49] | ** ctjctj nods, "livington, type: find / -name mysql.txt and wait for it to grind. ** | |
| [00:41:13] | Dagmar: | Euw... don't use /. That will scan a bunch of crap that will cause error messages to flood the screen. /usr /etc /home should be plenny |
| [00:41:22] | Dagmar: | Find and /proc dont' get along |
| [00:41:43] | ctjctj: | Sorry, I'm from FreeBSD. That's nominally a safe command as non-root. |
| [00:41:58] | livingtm: | along with a lot of permission denied crap: /usr/share/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [00:42:00] | Dagmar: | S'okay. It's "safe" as non-root. It's just very noisy |
| [00:42:01] | ctjctj: | find / -type f -name mysql.txt might be safer on linux. |
| [00:42:23] | Dagmar: | livingtm: Okay, so you *do* have two mysql.txt files. |
| [00:42:32] | Dagmar: | Pick one, and drop the other in a well. |
| [00:42:33] | livingtm: | should I? |
| [00:42:36] | livingtm: | ok |
| [00:43:23] | livingtm: | okay, rerun "sudo mythbackend" and it complains once again |
| [00:43:43] | Dagmar: | Still about the 192 address? |
| [00:43:46] | livingtm: | yes |
| [00:44:04] | Dagmar: | Okay. Run mythtv-setup and reenter all the values in there. Carefully avoiding mentioning any 192. addresses |
| [00:44:18] | livingtm: | as mythtv or using sudo? |
| [00:44:21] | Dagmar: | I guess the backend DOES get info about where the database is from the backend |
| [00:44:41] | Dagmar: | It doesn't really matter terribly much, since the only real difference is where it can write the mysql.txt file |
| [00:44:44] | ctjctj: | Dagmar I suggest we ask livingtm which mysql.txt he kept. |
| [00:45:01] | Dagmar: | ...and you only need to keep one around. Make sure you find and destroy any others it makes |
| [00:45:04] | livingtm: | /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [00:45:27] | Dagmar: | Heck copy that one somewhere safe (or rename it) and copy it back after you're done with mythtv-setup |
| [00:45:27] | ** ctjctj nods "and the /usr/share/mythtv/mysql.txt has been deleted?" ** | |
| [00:45:37] | livingtm: | yes |
| [00:45:50] | Dagmar: | ctjctj: He's been pretty good about following instructions |
| [00:45:58] | livingtm: | Gee thanks Dag |
| [00:46:08] | Dagmar: | Hey, I'm not *all* about the stick. |
| [00:46:10] | ctjctj: | Yes, but we/you said choose one. I didn't know which he kept. |
| [00:46:14] | Dagmar: | Sometimes I'm full of carrots |
| [00:46:30] | ctjctj: | (and if you want me to butt out, just let me know. ) |
| [00:46:47] | Dagmar: | Well, it doesnt' much matter which one since I was going to have him scan again to make sure he killed off wherever it decided to make a new one (likely ~/.mythtv/ if he runs it as a user` |
| [00:47:37] | ** ctjctj nods "Yes, I suspect that he has a something in /root/.mythtv ** | |
| [00:48:15] | livingtm: | okay i just noticed when runninf mythtv-setup as mythtv: "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost'" |
| [00:48:22] | Dagmar: | That's kinda a useful place for it, but /etc/mythtv is probably a better one, since it's more liekly to be readable by the uid running the frontend, and I think the Ubunut builds expect only the backend is run as root |
| [00:48:50] | livingtm: | the setup of the DB seems awefully messy |
| [00:49:04] | ctjctj: | Delete the DB and refill it? |
| [00:49:07] | livingtm: | i dont have much experience with mysql dev, but it just seems convoluted |
| [00:49:14] | Dagmar: | livingtm: If we're very lucky that one will go away after you tell mythtv-setup the correct password |
| [00:49:24] | livingtm: | ok |
| [00:49:27] | livingtm: | ill keep going then :_) |
| [00:49:34] | Dagmar: | It's only a pain in the butt now because Ubuntu puts a password on it that a lot of people could do without |
| [00:49:54] | Dagmar: | Like, if it's going to be treated as an appliance with no real user logins, it doesn't particularly matter much |
| [00:50:41] | Dagmar: | It's just a good practice to set a password there, in case the same config is used for a box that allows network access to the db |
| [00:51:11] | Dagmar: | S'all about authentication zones. ;) |
| [00:51:39] | Dagmar: | gotta go put some stuff in the dryer. back in 5 |
| [00:51:43] | livingtm: | im kinda referring to MySQL not caring about just user names and passwords, but IP of origin as well |
| [00:52:23] | livingtm: | nope |
| [00:52:38] | livingtm: | shit. i think its MYSQL more than its mythtv honestly |
| [00:52:59] | livingtm: | i need to change the username from "mythtv@localhost" to "mythtv@*" |
| [00:53:11] | livingtm: | whic of course i dont mremeber how to do |
| [00:53:16] | livingtm: | so is back to Google |
| [00:53:31] | ctjctj: | mysql -u root -p mysql |
| [00:54:18] | ctjctj: | flush priveldges; (spelled correctly) |
| [00:54:47] | ctjctj: | you can find the syntax in mc.sql in /usr/share/mythtv |
| [00:54:50] | livingtm: | now what happens if i move the box to "172.16.whatver.whatever"? |
| [00:55:07] | ctjctj: | It breaks and you know how to fix it. You add another "grant" statement |
| [00:56:29] | ctjctj: | and I do not believe it is an mysql problem. Because you were able to get into the database with the mysql command originally. This implies that your mysql.txt file is in error OR you are using the wrong one. |
| [00:56:44] | ctjctj: | I believe that Dagmar has it pretty well nailed as the cause. |
| [00:57:16] | livingtm: | ok well i wont mess with mysql then |
| [00:57:38] | livingtm: | so how do I track down Dagmars theory |
| [00:57:55] | ctjctj: | use that find command again. Let me check first before you type it. |
| [00:59:44] | livingtm: | ok one second |
| [01:00:34] | livingtm: | its in every users home folder |
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| [01:00:37] | livingtm: | .mythtv/ |
| [01:01:12] | livingtm: | so ill remove all of them but the /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [01:01:43] | ctjctj: | Yes. |
| [01:01:54] | ctjctj: | was there one in /root/.mythtv as well? |
| [01:02:20] | livingtm: | no |
| [01:02:22] | Dagmar: | "its in every users home folder" hahah |
| [01:03:01] | livingtm: | man its almost easier to compile form source than use the ubuntu packages on this one :-0 |
| [01:03:05] | Dagmar: | Wouldn't suprise me at all at this point |
| [01:03:27] | Dagmar: | Hey I'd have already suggested you use my packages but they're far from being quite that ready yet |
| [01:03:41] | livingtm: | i tried knoppix on this box but it barfed after install.. i think because at the time i had no tuner card in the machine |
| [01:04:15] | livingtm: | er, knoppmyth |
| [01:04:24] | livingtm: | er, knop-blah :-) |
| [01:04:43] | Dagmar: | I don't know .deb format yet or I'd have already been pushing to be blessed for publishing packages |
| [01:05:53] | Dagmar: | I might last all of two months before getting tired of the insanity over there. ;) |
| [01:06:46] | livingtm: | Why do you have to log in as the mythtv user as part of setup? |
| [01:06:54] | ctjctj: | My fun one is going to be updating the freebsd port of mythtv. They are running 0.20 and it needs to be moved to 0.20-fixes |
| [01:07:16] | ctjctj: | The goal is to make sure you are not running as root, I believe. |
| [01:07:31] | livingtm: | damn |
| [01:07:35] | livingtm: | okay new issue |
| [01:07:55] | livingtm: | "sudo mythbackend" "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' |
| [01:07:58] | livingtm: | " |
| [01:08:20] | ctjctj: | livingtm, isn't there an error code that goes with that? A number? |
| [01:08:25] | livingtm: | thats after deleting all but /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt and logging in as mythtv and running mythtv-setup |
| [01:08:35] | livingtm: | no error code |
| [01:08:56] | livingtm: | and copying and pasting the password into the mthtv-setup dialog |
| [01:10:26] | ctjctj: | I'm looking for a log on my machine. Hold on one. |
| [01:11:31] | Dagmar: | livingtm: The reason you're changing uids there is that you guys run the frontend as the mythtv user... which means $HOME is in /home/mythtv |
| [01:12:24] | Dagmar: | livingtm: Maybe we can just flush the password for a bit |
| [01:12:26] | livingtm: | i havent had trouble running the front end as my user on any other machine |
| [01:12:37] | livingtm: | (on another setup this is a new stand alone) |
| [01:12:42] | Dagmar: | Yeah but you didn't enter the wrong values when you started those other boxes |
| [01:12:56] | livingtm: | hmmm |
| [01:13:07] | livingtm: | god this is just stupid |
| [01:13:16] | livingtm: | it seems to unnecessary |
| [01:13:25] | Dagmar: | Well, that's because it partly is unnecessary |
| [01:13:38] | Dagmar: | Do you know how to set passwords on the mysql users? |
| [01:13:51] | Dagmar: | Might be easier at this point to just set the password to 'mythtv' like the rest of the world |
| [01:14:09] | livingtm: | hehe |
| [01:14:16] | Dagmar: | But before you go that route, make one last check for stray mysql.txt files, this time as root |
| [01:14:17] | livingtm: | HTF do i do that |
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| [01:14:29] | livingtm: | sudo find? |
| [01:14:38] | Dagmar: | Just run sudo bash |
| [01:15:00] | ctjctj: | dagmar, I had him sudo the last find |
| [01:15:02] | Dagmar: | It's great they've got you guys using sudo, but really, there's not terribly much difference between that and su the way they're using it |
| [01:15:20] | livingtm: | its BACK in the /home dirs |
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| [01:15:30] | Dagmar: | Mutliple home dirs? |
| [01:15:43] | Dagmar: | If they did something that makes it copy the file all over the system, I really don't want to know |
| [01:15:44] | livingtm: | yes |
| [01:16:22] | ctjctj: | can we be sick now? |
| [01:18:49] | livingtm: | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| [01:18:52] | livingtm: | HOLY SHIT |
| [01:18:56] | livingtm: | figured it out |
| [01:19:07] | livingtm: | you have to run mythtv-setup as YOUR USER |
| [01:19:09] | livingtm: | hahahaha |
| [01:19:17] | Dagmar: | Worst case scenario: sudo find / -type f -name mysql.txt -exec rm {} ; |
| [01:19:23] | Dagmar: | You can run it as ANY user |
| [01:19:38] | Dagmar: | Ideally you want to run it as the user that the backend and/or frontend are going to run as |
| [01:19:41] | livingtm: | no, it edits your ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [01:19:47] | Dagmar: | yes, it does. |
| [01:19:56] | Dagmar: | Which is why you want to run it as the same uid as will be used later |
| [01:20:21] | livingtm: | i was logging in as mythtv and running the setup then logging back in as myself |
| [01:20:21] | Dagmar: | Both the frontend and the backend have a pretty long search path as to where they'll LOOK for it tho so it can be all kinds of places |
| [01:20:46] | Dagmar: | See, that should not matter if you had a proper root environment when you started the backend |
| [01:20:53] | Dagmar: | That's the other thing I don't like sudo for |
| [01:21:20] | Dagmar: | ...but that's partly because I've known about it for freaking ages. Long enough for it to seriously change how it works. |
| [01:21:53] | Dagmar: | sudo might not have been changing the $HOME variable in your environment, leading mythtv-setup to write the fdile in the wrong place |
| [01:22:09] | livingtm: | wait no |
| [01:22:11] | livingtm: | damnit |
| [01:22:34] | livingtm: | it runs, no it doesnt, yes it does, your password, mythtvs password, mysql password, root password DAMNIT JUST WORK |
| [01:22:39] | Dagmar: | Might I suggest that maybe in the future, if you have an extended bit of admin work to do on a machine, your life might be easier if you use `su -` (the dash is important!) to gain root privs and just be careful about exiting that shell when you're done |
| [01:23:00] | livingtm: | i used to use debian im familiar with su |
| [01:23:04] | ctjctj: | Minor correction, /bin/su root - |
| [01:23:07] | Dagmar: | livigntm: I haev a more entertaining soliution |
| [01:23:15] | Dagmar: | You dont' need to specify the username when you're su'ing to root |
| [01:23:25] | Dagmar: | Maybe on FBSD but not on any Linux I've used |
| [01:23:38] | Dagmar: | Nor IRIX nor AIX for that matter, or Solaris |
| [01:23:54] | ctjctj: | Dagmar, true. I use toor on FreeBSD as it uses bash where as root uses csh |
| [01:23:55] | Dagmar: | ...pretty sure not on HP/UX either but it's been a blessedly long time since I have had to admin one of those |
| [01:24:07] | livingtm: | okay so now when i run "sudo mythbackend" it runs. |
| [01:24:09] | Dagmar: | ctjctj: OKay now that's a handy little hack there |
| [01:24:11] | ctjctj: | the important part was the /bin/su not the user name. |
| [01:24:24] | livingtm: | but when i /etc/init.d/mythbackend restart it fails |
| [01:24:33] | Dagmar: | livingtm: So don't do that. |
| [01:24:35] | clever: | 2007-02–14 19:16:44.817 NVP: prebuffering pause |
| [01:24:42] | clever: | cant the frontend use a larger buffer? |
| [01:24:45] | Dagmar: | livingtm: Start it with sudo /etc/init.d/mythbackend start |
| [01:25:22] | Dagmar: | clever: Only if you want a larger pause |
| [01:25:25] | ctjctj: | Dagmar, is he getting the wrong mysql.txt then? I'd bet it's looking in /root/.mythtv/mysql.txt and other random places instead of his home directory? |
| [01:25:35] | livingtm: | WTf.... |
| [01:25:38] | Dagmar: | ctjctj: Lemme look at my script real quick |
| [01:25:45] | clever: | yeah but once it gets that buffer filled it could handle rougher problems without having to pause |
| [01:25:54] | Dagmar: | This is the search order they use: /usr/local/share/mythtv /usr/share/mythtv /etc/mythtv /usr/local/etc/mythtv /root/.mythtv |
| [01:26:04] | Dagmar: | I had to dig through the source so I could have my init script look in those same places |
| [01:26:09] | livingtm: | sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart it says the process was not running.. then it says starting.. but ps -e doesnt show anything running |
| [01:26:13] | clever: | would be usefull to atleast have an option for it to tune to a pause that is good for me and performance |
| [01:26:38] | Dagmar: | livingmt: That's because if you don't use the init script to start it, it doesn't make the file that is the only reason the init script thinks it might be running |
| [01:26:38] | livingtm: | but when i run "sudo /etc/init.d/mythbackend start" its "already running" |
| [01:26:55] | livingtm: | ps -e doesnt show it running |
| [01:26:57] | Dagmar: | livingtm: Stop messing about with that, and kill the thing off with kill, and then start it with the init script |
| [01:27:05] | livingtm: | its not F'ing running |
| [01:27:08] | livingtm: | never was |
| [01:27:30] | livingtm: | "already running, use restart instead: |
| [01:27:33] | livingtm: | but its not running |
| [01:27:49] | Dagmar: | Maybe `find /var/run | grep myth` |
| [01:27:52] | livingtm: | brb, another glass of wine for me |
| [01:27:57] | Dagmar: | Something in there probably looks like a lockfile |
| [01:28:22] | livingtm: | yeah theres 3 files in there |
| [01:28:26] | Dagmar: | I have a strong dislike for distros that use thos |
| [01:28:35] | livingtm: | dag what do you run |
| [01:28:46] | Dagmar: | livingtm: Does one of them have "lock" in the name or path or something? |
| [01:28:50] | Dagmar: | I run Slackware |
| [01:28:58] | Dagmar: | Mainly because it's the most vanilla Linux out there. |
| [01:29:04] | Dagmar: | No crazy people mucking up things that work fine |
| [01:29:05] | livingtm: | mythbackwend.pid |
| [01:29:06] | livingtm: | ? |
| [01:29:12] | Dagmar: | Okay, so delete that file |
| [01:29:15] | livingtm: | ok |
| [01:29:33] | Dagmar: | They're doing something half-assed if they're reading that file and assuming it's the right pid |
| [01:30:02] | Dagmar: | It's not like ps -p `cat pidfile` -o comm= checks are hard or something |
| [01:30:11] | livingtm: | okay |
| [01:30:20] | livingtm: | it looks like it started ok, except with that X error |
| [01:30:34] | livingtm: | none of the authentication protocols blah blah |
| [01:30:36] | livingtm: | :-) |
| [01:30:44] | Dagmar: | So pastebin the init script if you want me to care about that error messages |
| [01:30:51] | livingtm: | however ps -e |grep myth shows nothing |
| [01:31:16] | livingtm: | i want to know why it didnt start!!!! |
| [01:31:38] | Dagmar: | It's just *stupid*, there is no other word for it *but* "stupid" that it's doing something with X when it's supposed to be starting something that does not use X. |
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| [01:32:39] | Dagmar: | Actually... |
| [01:33:17] | Dagmar: | Nevermind I'm not going to pastebin my init script until I'm done with the last parts that sanify the tables before starting it |
| [01:34:59] | Dagmar: | ps -C mythbackend -o pid= is something they could stand to learn as well |
| [01:37:24] | livingtm: | so why can i start it using "sudo mythbackend" with no problems but "sudo /etc/init.d/mythbackend start" fails silently |
| [01:38:51] | daviey: | coming in part way here – but did mythbackend crash and your trying to restart it using init.d? |
| [01:39:35] | livingtm: | okay, i just found /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log.... its complaining about the lockfile in the recordings folder |
| [01:39:47] | livingtm: | now why doesnt it send that failure message to the console? |
| [01:40:01] | livingtm: | forget it.. ill just make it work... silly question.. "Why?" |
| [01:40:14] | livingtm: | who needs to own the recordings directory/ |
| [01:40:19] | livingtm: | mythtv? |
| [01:40:57] | livingtm: | that was it damnit. seems to be running ok now. |
| [01:41:19] | livingtm: | yep.. |
| [01:41:21] | livingtm: | thanks guys |
| [01:41:29] | livingtm: | Dagmar, appreciate your time thank you |
| [01:44:00] | Dagmar: | no problem |
| [01:44:38] | Dagmar: | This has just given me more impetus to spend more time working on my packs |
| [01:48:48] | livingtm: | grrr okay its working with my new haupauge pvr150 but the quality is SHITE |
| [01:49:02] | livingtm: | vertical lines through live TV |
| [01:49:12] | livingtm: | is that realy a crap card or what? |
| [01:49:38] | gardengnome: | enable deinterlacing |
| [01:49:56] | livingtm: | i htought i did lemme check again |
| [01:50:30] | livingtm: | yeah deinterlacing is enabled |
| [01:50:37] | livingtm: | they are vertical lines, not horizontal |
| [01:51:00] | livingtm: | woudlnt have anything to do with opengl would it? |
| [01:52:08] | gardengnome: | right, sorry. must be tired ;) |
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| [01:59:49] | livingtm: | i don tknow if its the PVR150 or what but the TV quality just seems to blow compared to the plextor convertx |
| [02:00:58] | ctjctj: | I have a follow on to that card, the pvrusb2 and I find it's quality to be much better than raw TV actually. Most of the snow gets filtered out. |
| [02:01:39] | ctjctj: | did you try the card directly with out mythtv? |
| [02:01:56] | livingtm: | ctjctj, no this is the first i've seen it |
| [02:02:14] | livingtm: | the framerate seems low or something |
| [02:03:00] | ctjctj: | The page I used for setting up my card(usb box) strongly suggested using things like xine and mplayer to test your tuner. Did you get a chance to do that? |
| [02:03:22] | livingtm: | doing it now |
| [02:03:31] | livingtm: | cat /dev/video0 >/tmp/test.avi... |
| [02:04:48] | ctjctj: | I doubt that will work. |
| [02:05:06] | livingtm: | it works |
| [02:05:35] | livingtm: | the color is a but off.. its a bit red |
| [02:05:45] | livingtm: | i wonder if the card driver can be tuned or something |
| [02:07:02] | Dagmar: | Then the picture will be a lot black. |
| [02:07:14] | Dagmar: | You can't turn off the driver and expect it to still work. |
| [02:07:48] | Dagmar: | ...and as lame as it is, the ivtv driver is so damn leet you *can* just cat files out of it, so long as the tuner is set to a channel of some kind. :) |
| [02:09:02] | ctjctj: | I was more concerned with the fact that it was an avi file it was going to. But then again, linux doesn't use extensions to determin file type. |
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| [02:11:26] | clearzen: | Is there any plans to support the wintv 1600? |
| [02:11:49] | kormoc: | myth doesn't write drivers, you'll need to talk to someone who does |
| [02:12:10] | clearzen: | kormoc: Who writes the drivers? |
| [02:12:24] | kormoc: | lots of people do, try google |
| [02:12:57] | livingtm: | clearzen, i heard it was 9 months out |
| [02:13:11] | HighLife245: | hey guys I have a TV card here from a friend but no manual, the box says its a V-Stream Studio TV Terminator |
| [02:13:19] | HighLife245: | I think it's made by Kworld |
| [02:13:25] | clearzen: | livingtm: I expected as much it is a new card. I can wait though |
| [02:13:34] | HighLife245: | Does anyone know if this card is supported in ubuntu? |
| [02:13:41] | clearzen: | livingtm: Thank you for the info |
| [02:13:50] | kormoc: | livingtm, that's only if the ivtv folks can figure it out, and so far they haven't had any luck |
| [02:14:00] | kormoc: | HighLife245, google might know |
| [02:14:06] | kormoc: | HighLife245, or you could try it and see |
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| [02:14:33] | HighLife245: | Well I've never used a tv card under linux what software should I use? |
| [02:14:50] | kormoc: | HighLife245, depends on the card. likely xawtv or tvtime would be the one to use |
| [02:15:13] | livingtm: | Okay i found cabling issues in my house and that cleared the image up some |
| [02:15:21] | livingtm: | audio is cutting in and out thoough |
| [02:15:24] | HighLife245: | Well I have been searching google, it doesnt really help that I am without a box though |
| [02:15:35] | HighLife245: | manual* |
| [02:15:54] | livingtm: | oh that could eb the dolby surround on my stereo |
| [02:16:47] | livingtm: | center channel was fading in and out |
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| [02:27:34] | HighLife245: | I'm srry I forgot to write down thoughs tv tuner programs |
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| [02:53:15] | shodan-: | I'm trying to make a dvd with mytharchive but when I asked it to make it, I got an error in the log viewer (there's a bunch of text before that) |
| [02:53:16] | shodan-: | AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'endswith' |
| [02:55:36] | shodan-: | [uploading logs to pastebin ...] |
| [02:57:23] | shodan-: | hmm pastebin is slow |
| [03:00:42] | shodan-: | this is the content of mythburn.log http://pastebin.ca/356483 |
| [03:01:14] | shodan-: | this is the content of progress.log http://pastebin.ca/356485 |
| [03:02:07] | shodan-: | I have both python plugins installed |
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| [03:02:41] | shodan-: | all the dependencies listed in http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythArchive#Dependencies seem to be satisfied |
| [03:03:18] | shodan-: | I running those version of mythtv and mytharchive |
| [03:03:20] | shodan-: | [ebuild R ] media-tv/mythtv-0.20_p12172 USE="dts*" |
| [03:03:20] | shodan-: | [ebuild R ] media-plugins/mytharchive-0.20_p11222 |
| [03:04:00] | coolfrood: | Hi guys |
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| [03:34:18] | williammanda: | can someone tell me how to shut down or switch to get out of the xserver? |
| [03:34:42] | williammanda: | trying to load nvidia driver |
| [03:35:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | williammanda: Just log out of X, then log back in again. |
| [03:36:13] | williammanda: | how do i log out of x? |
| [03:36:31] | williammanda: | i hit alt cntl f1... |
| [03:36:45] | williammanda: | but the xserver is still running |
| [03:38:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | That just gets you to a command-line shell. Hit alt-cntrl-f7 ( I think it's F7) to get back to the gui. Oh, you haven't installed the driver yet... one sec... |
| [03:38:27] | opello: | ctrl-alt-backspace ? |
| [03:38:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | there ya go... (thanks opello — i'm still somewhat of a n00b in linux...) ;-) |
| [03:39:19] | opello: | np, if you're using a distro that runs gdm or kdm for you, it'll just go back to that |
| [03:41:39] | williammanda: | i want to leave the gui...stop the xserver |
| [03:41:58] | williammanda: | ctrl-alt-backspace didn't work |
| [03:42:09] | snerfu: | init 3 |
| [03:42:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | williammanda: I think you can change the init level by editing your /etc/inittab file and change the line "id:5:initdefault:" to "id:3:initdefault" – then re-boot. Then do the install, and you'll have to re-edit it to set it back to 5 and re-boot to get back into the x server... |
| [03:42:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | I'm sure you can do it by interrupting the boot sequence too – -something like adding "initlevel 3" to the kernel parameters iirc... |
| [03:43:11] | The_Tick: | umm |
| [03:43:15] | The_Tick: | telinit 5 |
| [03:43:18] | The_Tick: | telinit3 |
| [03:43:21] | The_Tick: | bah, space in there |
| [03:43:30] | The_Tick: | you don't need to reboot to change the run level |
| [03:43:43] | coolfrood: | can someone tell me what the deal is with hardware encoding on Hauppauge PVR-x50 w.r.t. resolutions? |
| [03:43:55] | kormoc: | w r t? |
| [03:44:01] | coolfrood: | with respect to |
| [03:44:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | See, there's much more 'linux smart' people in here than mee! |
| [03:44:13] | kormoc: | coolfrood, what do you want to know? |
| [03:44:33] | coolfrood: | it says 480x480 in the recording profile |
| [03:44:56] | coolfrood: | when I transcode things, the aspect ratio gets all screwy |
| [03:45:07] | coolfrood: | it becomes either 1:1 or 16:9 instead of being 4:3 |
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| [03:45:31] | kormoc: | well, you are recording it as 1:1 and myth is fixing it for you when you play back |
| [03:45:47] | kormoc: | why don't you record at 720:480 or whatever the ratio should be |
| [03:46:13] | coolfrood: | the thing is, I recorded at 720x480 and then when I transcoded it, it widened it further and made it 16:9 |
| [03:46:33] | kormoc: | and you told transcode to output a 4:3? |
| [03:46:37] | williammanda: | telinit 3 or 5 doesn't work either |
| [03:46:55] | williammanda: | any other ideas? |
| [03:46:56] | The_Tick: | does it error? |
| [03:47:11] | coolfrood: | I think so, I will have to confirm with the transcoding profiles |
| [03:47:14] | coolfrood: | let me check |
| [03:47:20] | williammanda: | nvidia just says the xserver is running |
| [03:47:29] | The_Tick: | when you ran telinit |
| [03:47:33] | The_Tick: | did it give you an error |
| [03:47:40] | williammanda: | no errors running telinit |
| [03:48:09] | The_Tick: | and you ran telinit 3? |
| [03:48:20] | ** clever wonders how big of a hdd the people here have for mythtv? ** | |
| [03:48:21] | The_Tick: | is xserve set to run at runlevel 3? |
| [03:48:38] | williammanda: | ran telinit 5 then 3 |
| [03:48:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | williammanda: Edit your /etc/inittab file and change it from 'id:5' to 'id:3', save it and re-boot. You'll just be at a shell prompt at that point. |
| [03:49:14] | The_Tick: | ok, 5 is the run level you are most likely at |
| [03:49:20] | The_Tick: | try telinit 2 |
| [03:49:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: My current backend has 4x200GB LVM – 760GB formatted. My new backend has 3x500GB... 1.4TB... ;-) |
| [03:49:50] | ** The_Tick isn't on a linux box to look at this with ** | |
| [03:49:55] | clever: | nice |
| [03:50:07] | The_Tick: | clever: I'd buy as much storage as possible |
| [03:50:15] | clever: | i make 0$/month |
| [03:50:17] | coolfrood: | willimmanda: what distro are you on? |
| [03:50:27] | williammanda: | knoppmyth |
| [03:50:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: And that's not including the seperate OS drive... My old box has an 18GB 10krpm SCSI drive... the new one is a 300GB SATAII drive... ;-) |
| [03:51:00] | clever: | lol |
| [03:51:02] | coolfrood: | kormoc: all my profiles (default, high q, low q) are set to 720x480 with an aspect ratio of 4:3 |
| [03:51:24] | The_Tick: | J-e-f-f-A: how fast of drives though? |
| [03:51:40] | kormoc: | coolfrood, right, but when you transcode, do you tell transcode that it's 4:3 and to output at a 4:3 res? |
| [03:51:53] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: im running myth on a 80gig drive:( |
| [03:52:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | The interface is SATA II — 300MB/s ... Rotational speed is 7200rpm... |
| [03:52:08] | The_Tick: | clever: sounds like a tivo :P |
| [03:52:10] | coolfrood: | I think so, kormoc |
| [03:52:17] | clever: | frame grabber card |
| [03:52:21] | clever: | sometimes 5gig per hour |
| [03:52:55] | coolfrood: | I should output at 1:1 res? |
| [03:53:02] | clever: | lol |
| [03:53:12] | kormoc: | coolfrood, no, you should output at a 4:3 res |
| [03:53:12] | The_Tick: | J-e-f-f-A: with a hd source/ |
| [03:53:13] | The_Tick: | ? |
| [03:53:14] | clever: | i allready have many gig of avi's |
| [03:53:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | The_Tick: Yeah, with HD, probably only 10 hours! ;-) |
| [03:53:36] | The_Tick: | heh |
| [03:53:50] | The_Tick: | I think my project this year |
| [03:53:54] | The_Tick: | is to setup myth |
| [03:53:57] | coolfrood: | kormoc, I think that is what I am doing. VLC seems to figure it out correctly but mplayer thinks that the aspect ratio is wrong |
| [03:53:57] | The_Tick: | and rip all my dvds to it |
| [03:54:12] | The_Tick: | so I can put them in the closet for now |
| [03:54:33] | coolfrood: | williammanda: look in /etc/rc*.d directories for different runlevels, see if they contain S files for kdm or gdm |
| [03:54:36] | kormoc: | coolfrood, you might want to talk with xris, he wrote nuvexport and might have some points |
| [03:55:02] | computron: | Hey everyone Im looking at setting up A gentoo box to run a PVR I have been reading and mythtv looks like the best option for what i would like to do. A Few Questions 1 How much disk Space should i set aside For PVR and what for speed in proc should i be running ( I have an old P4 1.7 I would like to use.) |
| [03:55:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | My old box has a single HD-3000 for OTA HD... currently only records 24... I've since bought an HD-5500 and the new usb stick – HVR-950... I'm hoping to have all 3 working at once... Plus my 'sd' cards (PVR-500 and 250) for the satellite channels. Hopefully they'll all 'play nice' together... |
| [03:55:35] | computron: | Hey Its Kormoc Funny Seeing you on the web. |
| [03:55:55] | kormoc: | computron, hello. I know the username but can't put a face to it... |
| [03:56:06] | computron: | Kormoc you ever give spew his vodka?? |
| [03:56:12] | coolfrood: | kormoc: I will post to the list. I suppose I should first figure out what combination is actually wrong. I've been twiddling the settings so i don't know which show was recorded at what resolution and then transcoded using what settings in the transcoding profiles |
| [03:56:22] | kormoc: | computron, Hah, nah, he wouldn't take it :P |
| [03:56:57] | computron: | Well its time to build a new box the old one is turning into my PVR |
| [03:57:00] | coolfrood: | is xris in here often? |
| [03:57:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | computron: How much disk? As much as you can afford! ;-) (especially if you'll be recording HD) — and a 1.7Ghz will work fine for a backend if you're using hardware encoders. |
| [03:57:15] | kormoc: | coolfrood, aye, usually from 9 to 6 PST or so |
| [03:57:31] | kormoc: | computron, I'm drawing a blank on which physical person you match up to? |
| [03:57:31] | coolfrood: | wow, that's dedication! |
| [03:57:38] | kormoc: | coolfrood, irc at work |
| [03:58:01] | kormoc: | coolfrood, he's usually on at nights too, other then tonight being a holiday and he's married :P |
| [03:58:20] | computron: | Im the fat one from the tech |
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| [03:58:27] | computron: | lol |
| [03:58:35] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [03:58:45] | coolfrood: | you mean he is leaving all of us single without a date people without a line of support? :-) |
| [03:59:00] | kormoc: | coolfrood, entirely out in the cold :P |
| [03:59:17] | coolfrood: | how unthoughtful! :-D |
| [03:59:37] | kormoc: | computron, heh, fair nuff. Anyway, Myth will use all the disk space it can on the partition/volumn you give it, upto the min free space, where it will autoexpire recordings to keep that much space free. |
| [03:59:57] | kormoc: | computron, a 1.7 ghz would work fine, I would recommend a pvr 150/500 tho, unless you want HD? |
| [04:00:15] | computron: | kormoc No need for HD |
| [04:00:24] | computron: | Mostly for mythbusters |
| [04:00:27] | coolfrood: | speaking of HD, is it possible to do HD without a RAID 0 setup? |
| [04:00:31] | kormoc: | computron, then aye, a pvr 150/500 with a 1.7 will do fine :) |
| [04:00:41] | kormoc: | coolfrood, quite. HD isn't that much data |
| [04:00:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | coolfrood, Yes. |
| [04:01:04] | computron: | So what am i looking at data per hour? |
| [04:01:07] | coolfrood: | OTA is usually 720p, I gather? |
| [04:01:58] | computron: | BTW do i need X server for mythtv |
| [04:01:58] | kormoc: | computron, well, it's a range. mine is around 1.6 gb a hour, can be as low as 700 mb a hour (looks nasty imho) and as high as 5 gb a hour |
| [04:02:03] | kormoc: | computron, aye, you do |
| [04:02:08] | kormoc: | coolfrood, can be |
| [04:02:29] | computron: | Well it looks like a 24 of compiling ahead |
| [04:02:44] | kormoc: | coolfrood, keep in mind, HD is pre-compressed, and is typically under 20 mbit a sec |
| [04:03:01] | computron: | kormoc Ram recomendation? |
| [04:03:34] | coolfrood: | oh wow, that is pretty low. |
| [04:03:35] | kormoc: | computron, I've used 256 for awhile fine, but had to tune mysql a bit. I upgraded to 768 and it's grand. more the better of course |
| [04:03:54] | computron: | i have about 1.5 sitting in it now |
| [04:04:01] | coolfrood: | I am using 512 MB, works pretty well |
| [04:04:02] | computron: | only problem is its 133 |
| [04:04:32] | kormoc: | computron, meh, it won't be too bad at all |
| [04:05:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | coolfrood: A 2-hour 24 in HD (not sure if it's 720p or 1080i) is 10GB on my system... |
| [04:06:24] | coolfrood: | J-e-f-f-A: that's not bad at all, SD is about 4.4 GB for 2 hours |
| [04:06:40] | coolfrood: | HD is also MPEG2 right? |
| [04:06:58] | computron: | so will any Tuner Card work or what i have a pixelview that has a video in and an old nvidia Fx card for output any problems w/that? |
| [04:07:36] | coolfrood: | I am using an FX 5200, no problems at all |
| [04:09:05] | computron: | I got a wedding to pay for so im drained |
| [04:09:08] | kormoc: | I used a similar card in a 2.4 for like 2 years or so fine, and it used 30–35% of the 2.4 to record |
| [04:09:13] | kormoc: | ooh, nice. Congratz |
| [04:09:26] | computron: | Thanks next month |
| [04:09:33] | coolfrood: | J-e-f-f-A: so it is possible to get different quality streams from a card that does hardware compression? |
| [04:09:51] | kormoc: | coolfrood, ivtv, yes, dvb, no |
| [04:10:16] | kormoc: | computron, yeah, myth is great. and check out mythweb, it's what got me my job :) |
| [04:10:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | coolfrood, Oh, yes. The Hauppauge PVR cards are great... And like kormoc says — in 'analog' mode, yes — digital, it's a straight-to-disk dump of the digital stream... |
| [04:10:41] | coolfrood: | kormoc: I'm using PVR-150 with ivtv, so I should be able to do it |
| [04:10:45] | computron: | kormoc what you doing for a living nowadays |
| [04:11:15] | kormoc: | computron, I'm the System Administrator for Silicon Mechanics (www.siliconmechanics.com) in Bothell, Washington |
| [04:11:26] | computron: | WASHINGTON!!!!! |
| [04:11:27] | coolfrood: | J-e-f-f-A: it also does not matter where the input is coming from on the Hauppauge card right? Coax or S-video? |
| [04:11:31] | kormoc: | computron, I moved out west almost exactly 2 years ago now |
| [04:11:34] | computron: | wow |
| [04:11:42] | ** Dr_willis has pvr 150 – it does a good job for my minimal needs ** | |
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| [04:11:48] | computron: | Hows that treating you |
| [04:12:21] | kormoc: | computron, quite nice. I really enjoy it out here, and I work for a great place and have some great friends |
| [04:12:44] | kormoc: | computron, how's life after the tech treating you? |
| [04:13:13] | computron: | lol well i did factory work for a while but im moving into the IT dept at my current job shortley |
| [04:13:37] | computron: | They are sending me back to school for my batchlers |
| [04:13:46] | kormoc: | ooh, nice |
| [04:13:50] | computron: | if i could only spell i might have a chance |
| [04:14:04] | coolfrood: | J-e-f-f-A: what made you choose 400x480? Is that a standard resolution? |
| [04:14:08] | snerfu: | if I made enough money, I would go back to working as a projectionist at the drive in theater. To be 17 again. |
| [04:14:27] | computron: | snerfu i miss wendys i used to love working there |
| [04:14:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | coolfrood, Well, it's 'equivalent' to tivo low-resolution, and it looks decent, especially for moving video, from 5' away... Saves a ton of disk space too. |
| [04:15:02] | kormoc: | Heh, I gotta say, I do enjoy working more hands on in tech rather then food service |
| [04:15:11] | computron: | lol |
| [04:15:20] | kormoc: | tho, depending on the day, I might prefer to be Amish :P |
| [04:15:35] | computron: | well i tell you what the only problem with the company im working for is ancient technology |
| [04:15:36] | coolfrood: | I should give that a shot, given that I have a CRT TV |
| [04:15:51] | snerfu: | i worked in the kmart garden department when I was 16 that was fun, if i fifn't have to wear a name tag. |
| [04:15:55] | computron: | im in the middle of replacing a dos 6.22 machine now |
| [04:15:58] | coolfrood: | planning to dump the TV and simply get an LCD monitor though |
| [04:16:13] | kormoc: | computron, ouch... That's how Millersville was. Nasty old. |
| [04:16:33] | computron: | well it did its job so its like why replace it you know |
| [04:16:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | coolfrood, Considering the TV is probably only capable of maybe 544x480 realistically, 400x480 would probably look good on it. It looks near-perfect on my xbox frontend that my son uses. |
| [04:16:47] | snerfu: | freedos |
| [04:16:47] | computron: | i do still have one old ps2 i have to do something with |
| [04:17:18] | computron: | and im not talking bout playstation either |
| [04:17:26] | kormoc: | computron, working for a high end server VAR spoiled me :P |
| [04:17:35] | computron: | lol |
| [04:17:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | coolfrood, Basically I just lowered the resolution and bitrate a little bit at a time until it became 'unwatchable', then brought it back up to 'watchable' condition... ;-) |
| [04:17:52] | computron: | I was working for a company that destorys data that was a blast |
| [04:18:07] | computron: | we got all kinds of servers in |
| [04:18:29] | computron: | a few months ago we got a quad 2.8 zeon with 6 gb of ram in |
| [04:18:36] | computron: | charged the guy to take it away |
| [04:18:42] | coolfrood: | J-e-f-f-A: my only complaint is that mplayer gets confused when I play on another computer, not to mention that it makes it harder to give out stuff to people to use on their windows boxes |
| [04:18:43] | kormoc: | ha! nice |
| [04:18:49] | computron: | almost seems wrong |
| [04:18:52] | computron: | ALMOST!!!! |
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| [04:19:20] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [04:19:22] | computron: | im thinking of bringing that home for my new desktop |
| [04:19:29] | computron: | its kinda loud though |
| [04:19:33] | kormoc: | only issue with rack mount stuff is the noise, aye |
| [04:19:46] | computron: | yea i know |
| [04:19:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | computron, It's too loud for you. Ship it to me. ;-) |
| [04:19:55] | computron: | HAHA |
| [04:20:04] | kormoc: | else I'd be tempted with the new server we're selling, 2 computers in 1 U, upto 16 cores |
| [04:20:06] | ** kormoc drools ** | |
| [04:20:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | computron, I'll send you a nice, quiet desktop in it's place! |
| [04:20:13] | coolfrood: | the server room at work sounds like a jet about to take off |
| [04:20:25] | computron: | its such a soothing sound.. |
| [04:20:29] | coolfrood: | that, and you have to wear a winter jacket to venture in there |
| [04:20:42] | ** computron starts singing ... When the lights go out on the router... ** | |
| [04:20:50] | snerfu: | i work for the us federal courts they go through nice machines fast. we sold a dual 3ghz xeon for like 200 bucks at a surplus auction. |
| [04:20:52] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [04:21:01] | coolfrood: | snerfu: wow |
| [04:21:12] | computron: | snerfu let me know about the next auction ok |
| [04:21:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | snerfu, And is this a public auction? |
| [04:21:32] | snerfu: | yeah public. |
| [04:21:38] | computron: | where?? |
| [04:21:48] | snerfu: | we might have had more people come to bid but it was icey that day. |
| [04:21:50] | kormoc: | Sibera |
| [04:21:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | snerfu ... Yeah, where!!! |
| [04:22:07] | snerfu: | this was in tulsa oklahoma. |
| [04:22:15] | snerfu: | they do that all over the country though. |
| [04:22:19] | snerfu: | they put it in the paper. |
| [04:22:20] | computron: | hmm tulsa |
| [04:22:29] | snerfu: | has to be all public auctions. |
| [04:23:16] | computron: | heck philly would be great |
| [04:23:23] | computron: | as long as it is icy out like it is now |
| [04:23:33] | snerfu: | they will probably have them once every two years or so. |
| [04:23:34] | kormoc: | Yeah, I head it's nasty out back home |
| [04:23:43] | computron: | yea it is |
| [04:23:44] | snerfu: | all the states have federal courts. |
| [04:23:49] | ** kormoc basks in his upper 40's weather all winter long ** | |
| [04:23:56] | computron: | lol |
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| [04:23:59] | snerfu: | both bankruptcy and district. |
| [04:24:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | it's nasty here in New England! Snow & Sleet ... yuck |
| [04:24:15] | computron: | J-e-f-f-A philly same way |
| [04:24:34] | Dr_willis: | indiana – cold and snowy... |
| [04:24:56] | kormoc: | Seattle – Wet. it's not enough water to be called rain :P |
| [04:24:57] | computron: | snerfu is there a public site for finding said auctions? |
| [04:25:02] | snerfu: | snowing here in oklahoma too. |
| [04:25:12] | computron: | snerfu i grew up in oklahoma |
| [04:25:14] | computron: | where you at? |
| [04:25:19] | snerfu: | not that I know of computron, sorry. |
| [04:25:25] | snerfu: | Tulsa. |
| [04:25:35] | computron: | aight i was outside a lawton |
| [04:25:48] | snerfu: | i have lots of relatives in lawton. |
| [04:25:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | 17 degrees F outside now — windchill brings it down to 2! |
| [04:25:56] | computron: | a little town called frederick |
| [04:27:02] | coolfrood: | I'm near NYC, it's awful over here too |
| [04:27:23] | computron: | snerfu thats fun |
| [04:27:29] | kormoc: | computron, when you want to put some money at the mythbox, I'd highly recommend the MCE usb remote. It's also a blaster if you ever get satellite, and the MCE ir keyboard is also supported, which is quite nice. |
| [04:27:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc, Hey, is the MCE blaster now supported? ;-) |
| [04:27:58] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, aye, it is |
| [04:28:06] | ** J-e-f-f-A Yippee!!! ** | |
| [04:28:11] | ** kormoc is using it quite successfully ** | |
| [04:28:13] | computron: | kormoc im trying to interface w/the rs232 on the back of my cable box |
| [04:28:34] | computron: | not sure if i can or not |
| [04:28:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | computron, What model is it? |
| [04:28:37] | snerfu: | i was looking around for one of those ir kerboard/mouse integrated things. I ended up using the wiimote. |
| [04:28:52] | computron: | motorola somehting or other |
| [04:29:02] | computron: | im to fat to get off my ass and check lol |
| [04:29:12] | snerfu: | i used to have the rs232 hooked up from the mythbox to the cable box. |
| [04:29:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | computron, It's my understanding that if it isn't active, you can call the cable co and tell them you're trying to use it with a tivo, and they'll activate it... (that's second-hand though — I don't have one myself) |
| [04:29:46] | snerfu: | There is a script in the mythtv share stuff somewhere that will change the channel via it. |
| [04:29:47] | kormoc: | computron, if you ever upgrade to HD, you can use firewire to capture from the box (assuming comcast is nice in your area) |
| [04:30:04] | computron: | comcast is jerks |
| [04:30:10] | coolfrood: | the cable box I had earlier had a USB interface that could be controlled using a keyboard, but you can't make a PC behave like a keyboard easily |
| [04:30:25] | coolfrood: | comcast sucks! |
| [04:30:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | Speaking of Comcast — does anybody know if the channels are in the clear in the Boston area? If they are, I might switch from dish... |
| [04:30:37] | kormoc: | computron, in the Seattle area, all their channels (other then vh1) are able to be captured via firewire |
| [04:30:47] | computron: | really?? |
| [04:30:49] | computron: | hmm |
| [04:30:57] | computron: | whats the diff between that and RCA |
| [04:31:14] | coolfrood: | does anyone know if the comcast analog cable carries the OTA HD channels? |
| [04:31:14] | kormoc: | computron, pure digital capture, able to capture hd videos (720/1080) |
| [04:31:20] | ** J-e-f-f-A hates Comcast from bad internet service for 7 straight years... but it may be his only choice to get HD via firewire... FiOS TV is all encrypted... :-( ** | |
| [04:31:20] | computron: | ahh |
| [04:31:38] | computron: | FiOS will be cracked soon enough |
| [04:31:40] | kormoc: | computron, no capture card needed, and you can use the firewire cable to change the channels. it's quite sweet |
| [04:31:46] | kormoc: | computron, cracked? |
| [04:31:52] | coolfrood: | I used to have Cablevision earlier, they had an awesome internet service |
| [04:32:15] | kormoc: | computron, it's quite unlikely to be cracked, and we don't talk about such things in here anyway :P |
| [04:32:21] | coolfrood: | 30 down/6 up for <50 bucks a month |
| [04:32:31] | computron: | kormoc yea i have heard talk that some people have figured out the encription algorythm |
| [04:33:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | coolfrood, I'm getting 15Mbps down/ 2Mbps up for $44.95/month. The 30Mbps service is approx $140/month in my area. |
| [04:33:27] | kormoc: | coolfrood, that's *ungodly* fast and cheap... |
| [04:33:31] | computron: | J-e-f-f-A what do you need all that for |
| [04:33:44] | coolfrood: | kormoc: that's what Cablevision gives you. Optimum Online is a great service |
| [04:34:01] | ** computron is drooling ** | |
| [04:34:01] | coolfrood: | Now I have moved and I have to deal with expensive and slow service from Comcast |
| [04:34:14] | kormoc: | coolfrood, what zipcode do they offer to? |
| [04:34:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | computron, I don't, but it was the same price as cumcast's 6Mbps down/768kbps up service... and it actually worked, unlike the c*cast service that was getting as bad as 56k dialup... |
| [04:34:48] | kormoc: | coolfrood, got a number? |
| [04:34:53] | computron: | i would never live in Jersey |
| [04:34:53] | coolfrood: | Brooklyn too |
| [04:35:00] | snerfu: | 12mbs down 1mbs up is cox's fastest service here. |
| [04:35:01] | computron: | on new york |
| [04:35:05] | coolfrood: | kormoc: where are you located? |
| [04:35:15] | kormoc: | coolfrood, Kirkland, Washington :P |
| [04:35:29] | kormoc: | 3000 miles too far, just courious |
| [04:35:32] | coolfrood: | lol |
| [04:35:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | Kormoc's on the "Left Coast", I'm on the "Right Coast" ;-) |
| [04:36:10] | coolfrood: | Cablevision is really giving FiOS a run for its money over here |
| [04:36:17] | kormoc: | yeah, seems to be |
| [04:36:21] | computron: | how is FiOS |
| [04:36:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | Sounds like it... |
| [04:36:30] | kormoc: | computron, I really really like it |
| [04:36:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | computron, FiOS: Perfect so far. |
| [04:36:42] | coolfrood: | I'm right outside NYC and Verizon doesn't have FiOS here |
| [04:36:55] | shodan-: | is there a way I can set (in mythweb) the following defaults when I create a new recording ? -> transcoder "High quality" instead of "Auto-detect" , start early = 3 , end late = 3 ? |
| [04:37:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | I was one of the first few customers in my area... ;-) |
| [04:37:03] | kormoc: | computron, $35/mo for 5/2 and only port 80 inbound blocked. I could pay $50 for 15/2 and get 80 unblocked, but I just force everyone to use https :P |
| [04:37:06] | coolfrood: | I still can't decide which is the lesser of the two evils: Comcast or Verizon |
| [04:37:53] | hads: | Stop talking about fast connections, you are making me jealous. |
| [04:37:53] | computron: | lol |
| [04:37:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc, Or just run your server on a non-standard port and use a 'dns alias' service to forward to your site... that's what a friend of mine does... |
| [04:38:11] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, meh, too many sites to really handle that fine |
| [04:38:21] | coolfrood: | I run my server on 8888, but my work blocks that port |
| [04:38:48] | coolfrood: | I could do https, but I'm too lazy to figure it out :-) |
| [04:39:21] | computron: | my works blocks anything "not work related" funny how port 3389 is work related |
| [04:39:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | My work used to block everything except 80 and 8080 and a couple others. But now they have a new firewall that doesn't appear to block anything.... ;-) Dummies! I'm not telling them either! |
| [04:40:08] | kormoc: | I run the firewall for my work... :P |
| [04:40:12] | computron: | i used to have my Remote desktop on 80 because of it |
| [04:40:26] | coolfrood: | my work allows ssh, so that pretty much lets you do anything |
| [04:40:26] | computron: | kormoc have you delt w/vista yet? |
| [04:40:40] | kormoc: | computron, just a tad... I'm not really a fan |
| [04:40:50] | computron: | i have to deal w/it |
| [04:40:56] | computron: | not really impresed yet |
| [04:41:01] | coolfrood: | I looked at vista in a store, nothing new in it |
| [04:41:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | When they had the old firewall, I got brave and did a port scan to an internet server, and found a couple of other open ports. I used one to start an ssh service on, and the tunneling began! |
| [04:41:23] | computron: | coolfrood its a whole new OS new kernel no more NT kernel |
| [04:41:45] | coolfrood: | wow, whole new security problems! |
| [04:41:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | computron, Ooh! That makes me want to run out and buy it right now!!! NOT!!!! ;-) |
| [04:41:54] | computron: | LOL |
| [04:42:09] | coolfrood: | The Ow! starts now |
| [04:42:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | ha! |
| [04:42:29] | computron: | im not happy w/much out of ms right now |
| [04:42:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | MS sucks! (IMHO, of course! ;-) ) |
| [04:42:53] | coolfrood: | what issues have you run into computron? |
| [04:44:13] | computron: | not much really just way to hardware expensive |
| [04:44:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | My company probably won't touch Vista for at least another year... Heck, we still have a few machines running Win2k! |
| [04:44:49] | computron: | J-e-f-f-A we still have stuff on dos |
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| [04:45:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | computron, Yikes... Where is that, the Goodwill store?!? |
| [04:45:36] | slide: | Is there anyway to setup the transcode stuff from command line or web interface? I have everything marked as auto-transcode, but it doesnt do anything. Each hour is 2.2GB and id really like to get some more room |
| [04:45:58] | computron: | no we have a 30000 peice of equipment that runs off of an Eisa controller card |
| [04:46:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | slide: Check your settings to be sure you enabled the user jobs(s)... |
| [04:46:15] | slide: | J-e-f-f-A, how can i do this via command line? |
| [04:46:20] | slide: | the box has no monitor |
| [04:46:58] | slide: | hrm i do have X no this computer, can I stream X over the network somehow? |
| [04:47:02] | slide: | s/no/on |
| [04:47:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | slide, Umm... You'd probably have to do a select from the mysql database... But I'm not sure the details to tell you how... |
| [04:47:22] | coolfrood: | anyhow, gotta go, thanks a lot everyone for your help |
| [04:47:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | slide, Can you VNC into it? (do you have it enabled?) |
| [04:47:34] | slide: | nope |
| [04:47:54] | slide: | i can ssh |
| [04:47:59] | slide: | maybe i can start X remotely |
| [04:48:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | slide, Do you have a remote frontend at your disposal? |
| [04:48:18] | slide: | nope |
| [04:48:23] | coolfrood: | you can do ssh -X and then run mythtv-setup |
| [04:48:31] | coolfrood: | it will be slow, but you might be able to use it |
| [04:48:50] | ** J-e-f-f-A takes note... (Still a bit of a linux n00b!) ;-) ** | |
| [04:49:03] | slide: | hrm |
| [04:49:08] | coolfrood: | mythtv-setup or mythfrontend, it will be one of those two |
| [04:49:10] | coolfrood: | not sure which one |
| [04:49:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | I think it's in the mythtv setup... |
| [04:49:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | oops... |
| [04:49:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | make that mythfrontend — setup menus... |
| [04:49:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | (sorry) |
| [04:51:10] | coolfrood: | you have to make sure that sshd has X forwarding enabled though |
| [04:51:17] | coolfrood: | most distros disable it by default |
| [04:51:29] | slide: | yea trying to figure that out now |
| [04:51:42] | slide: | and this actually being osx probably wont make it much easier |
| [04:51:42] | slide: | heh |
| [04:51:44] | snerfu: | does anyone have some kind of menu entry on a remote frontend server that sends a wake on lan to the backend server? |
| [04:51:55] | coolfrood: | slide, you'll have to run X11 then |
| [04:52:01] | slide: | yea im running it |
| [04:52:05] | slide: | and using its xterm |
| [04:52:09] | coolfrood: | and do ssh -X from the xterm, not from Terminal |
| [04:52:39] | slide: | brandon@mythtv:~$ mythfrontend |
| [04:52:39] | slide: | mythfrontend: cannot connect to X server |
| [04:52:51] | coolfrood: | echo $DISPLAY |
| [04:52:54] | coolfrood: | what does that say |
| [04:53:08] | slide: | nothing |
| [04:53:37] | kormoc: | you need to enable X forwarding on the linux server as well as make sure xauth is installed |
| [04:53:39] | coolfrood: | another option is to do "xhost +" on the os x box and then do "export DISPLAY=machinename:0.0" |
| [04:53:48] | coolfrood: | on the mythbox |
| [04:53:54] | slide: | lemmy try |
| [04:53:57] | coolfrood: | where machinename is the os x machine name |
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| [04:54:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... I don't see it in the mythfrontend setup menus... checking mythtv-setup now... |
| [04:55:03] | slide: | sweet |
| [04:55:04] | slide: | that worked! |
| [04:55:05] | slide: | :) |
| [04:55:11] | slide: | mythfrontend on my osx box hehe |
| [04:55:22] | coolfrood: | will be slow as hell though |
| [04:55:29] | slide: | yea |
| [04:55:31] | kormoc: | and video is unlikely to work |
| [04:55:37] | slide: | yea i dont care about that |
| [04:55:41] | slide: | just want to config this transcode |
| [04:55:45] | coolfrood: | yeah, video is practically impossible |
| [04:56:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | It's in mythtv-setup — General – Job Queue (Host Specific) page... |
| [04:56:07] | slide: | arg |
| [04:56:37] | slide: | im in mythfrontend |
| [04:56:38] | slide: | heh |
| [04:57:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | yeah, sorry about that... I thought it was a setting in the frontend, but when I went looking for it, it wasn't there! ;-) |
| [04:57:15] | coolfrood: | I had a "wow" moment with remote X too, the first time I discovered it |
| [04:57:17] | slide: | heh |
| [04:57:25] | slide: | heh |
| [04:57:33] | slide: | hehe |
| [04:57:35] | ** J-e-f-f-A cuts & pastes the 'remote x' notes... ;-) ** | |
| [04:57:37] | slide: | er wow |
| [04:57:40] | slide: | alot of hehs |
| [04:57:56] | coolfrood: | cat /etc/ssh/sshd_config | grep -i x11 |
| [04:57:57] | coolfrood: | X11Forwarding yes |
| [04:58:11] | coolfrood: | the ssh -X way is the recommended way to do it |
| [04:58:23] | coolfrood: | but you have to make sure that the ssh server supports it |
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| [04:58:46] | coolfrood: | the xhost + way is the insecure way to do it |
| [04:59:16] | slide: | ok, i had "Allow Transcoding jobs" checked, so i added allow all the user jobs |
| [04:59:18] | slide: | that should fix it? |
| [04:59:23] | slide: | where to I setup transcode? |
| [04:59:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | Out of curiosity, is there a free x-windows 'interface' to run on a winblows box that's connected to my linux box via ssh? |
| [05:00:03] | coolfrood: | yes, there's one from cygwin |
| [05:00:25] | coolfrood: | they have an xfree86 port for Windows |
| [05:00:35] | Dr_willis: | J-e-f-f-A, XMING – is very nice |
| [05:00:41] | Dr_willis: | better then cygwin in many ways |
| [05:00:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dr_willis, Is it easy to setup/configure? |
| [05:00:58] | coolfrood: | dr_willis: I've never tried it, should check it out |
| [05:00:58] | Dr_willis: | trivial |
| [05:01:00] | Dr_willis: | :) |
| [05:01:15] | coolfrood: | there's also exceed, but that's not free |
| [05:01:24] | Dr_willis: | can run a linux app in a window, under windows.. or in a fullscreen, or in its desktop |
| [05:01:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | kewl. That would also make the occasional administration of our Solaris boxes easier... |
| [05:01:32] | Dr_willis: | can make shortcuts that launch the stuff also. |
| [05:02:08] | coolfrood: | setting up XDMCP is nice, let's you get an entire desktop remotely, right from the login window |
| [05:02:09] | ** J-e-f-f-A should be going to bed, but instead he's googling XMING !!! ;-) ** | |
| [05:02:19] | Dr_willis: | vnc is also handy for similer tasks. |
| [05:02:59] | Dr_willis: | reedesktop.org/wiki/Xming |
| [05:03:02] | Dr_willis: | oops |
| [05:03:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | I've done VNC, but my work security policy banned it, so we're not running it... |
| [05:03:07] | coolfrood: | ok, now I really should be off, got a whole work day tomorrow |
| [05:03:12] | Ross_C: | xrdp |
| [05:03:18] | Dr_willis: | vnc over ssh is about as secure as anything else Id guess... |
| [05:03:25] | coolfrood: | happy hacking, people |
| [05:03:26] | Ross_C: | connect to linux with terminal server client |
| [05:04:39] | slide: | ok, now is there anyway to tell it to transcode the programs ive already recorded? |
| [05:04:42] | Ross_C: | http://xrdp.sf.net |
| [05:05:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dr_willis, Yeah, but we weren't using a secure version of VNC when they did the audit... hence the ban... |
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| [05:05:56] | Dr_willis: | r IRC discussions there is the channel #xming on irc.freenode.net:6667. |
| [05:06:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dr_willis, What's that link? reedesktop.org/wiki/Xming doesn't appear to be right... |
| [05:06:10] | Dr_willis: | freedesktop.org |
| [05:06:10] | Dr_willis: | :) |
| [05:06:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ah... ya missed he "F".... What the F??? ;-) |
| [05:06:39] | Dr_willis: | http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Xming |
| [05:07:27] | Dr_willis: | freedesktop.org is doing some very good work.:) |
| [05:07:59] | slide: | anyway to tell it to transcode programs? |
| [05:08:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | Either their site is really slow tonight, or my M$ box sux atm... took about 30 seconds to pull up their page... |
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| [05:17:58] | Dr_willis: | yea – it seems slow for some reason |
| [05:25:19] | snerfu: | it's tube is clogged. |
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| [05:25:38] | Dagmar: | Stuffed full of porno |
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| [05:32:26] | Dagmar: | shodan-: You can hack the source |
| [05:32:33] | Dagmar: | In this case, the hacks would actually be easy |
| [05:33:04] | Dagmar: | ...because honestly, like, the word "movies" isn't goign to show up in the source code all that often. |
| [05:34:53] | Dagmar: | Or, if you want to be REALLY cool, figure out how the grabbers sort out categories, look at how mythweb is doing it, and make a detailed suggestion to xris |
| [05:35:19] | Dagmar: | The worst part of solving that problem is figuring out how to match strings when you don't _know_ what strings you're trying to match *to* |
| [05:36:09] | Dagmar: | ...but if MythTV is managing somehow, and it's not the grabbers doing (or even if it is) the matching to genre names, then xris should be able to "appropriate" those algorithms. |
| [05:39:50] | shodan-: | the category names is filed by the grabbers (or in my case EIT data), but I was kinda hoping there would be a nice little file with some kind of lookup table saying "category name 1" = "color x" , "category name 2" = "color y" |
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| [07:01:29] | shodan-: | if I have a show that runs on one station, with one new episode each week day at 7 pm but has reruns at 10h00pm 1h30am 5h00am 10h00am, if I say find daily, on monday it records the 7h00pm showing, then on tuesday it records the same showing at 1h30am is there a way I can say find daily but the day starts at 7h00pm ? |
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| [07:09:48] | rtsai: | just record "once per day", that should take care of things the right way most of the time, no? |
| [07:09:59] | rtsai: | does anyone have a db2 antenna? |
| [07:10:57] | kormoc: | rtsai, I say record only at this timeslot in mythweb pointing at the 7 pm slot |
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| [07:16:53] | shodan-: | kormoc, yeah I was thinking of doing that but it'd be great that if there's a conflict with the 7pm slot it would record on the 10pm slot instead |
| [07:17:15] | shodan-: | I mean , that's what the "find daily" option is supposed to be for |
| [07:17:55] | kormoc: | shodan-, well, so the reruns are the new episode or not? |
| [07:21:13] | shodan-: | yes, but if I say find daily, on monday it records the 7pm episode , then tuesday it records the same episode on the 1h30am slot and wednesday it records the tuesday episode at 1h30am , so monday you have no new episode to watch and the rest of the week you are always one day late |
| [07:21:26] | shodan-: | I mean tuesday you have no episode to watch |
| [07:22:04] | shodan-: | isn't there a way to ask find daily, starting at 7pm ? |
| [07:22:26] | kormoc: | don't think so |
| [07:22:49] | kormoc: | thing is, it shouldn't ever records the tuesday 1h30am episode if it's already been recorded |
| [07:23:25] | Captain_Murdoch: | shodan-: what show is this for? |
| [07:23:40] | shodan-: | yeah but it can't tell the title, description and original air date are always the same |
| [07:23:45] | shodan-: | the daily show |
| [07:23:53] | kormoc: | shodan-, ooh, are you running SVN? |
| [07:23:55] | kormoc: | (trunk) |
| [07:24:07] | Captain_Murdoch: | search for "Bruce Markey The Daily Show" in the archives and he gives an example of how to setup a find daily for that show. |
| [07:24:26] | Captain_Murdoch: | take off the quotes of course. |
| [07:24:40] | shodan-: | kormoc, no , media-tv/mythtv-0.20_p12172 |
| [07:24:45] | shodan-: | Captain_Murdoch, k I'll check that out |
| [07:24:53] | Captain_Murdoch: | the find daily starts at the starttime on the recorded table entry, he's talked about that several times on the lists as well. |
| [07:25:22] | kormoc: | shodan-, heh, too bad. there's a ungodly *awesome* new feature to skip generic shows |
| [07:26:16] | shodan-: | kormoc, eh too bad I'll have to wait 'till 0.21 is out because other than that everything is running smooth (so smooth that I don't want to take any chances ;) ) |
| [07:27:16] | tank-man: | i have a "record daily" for the daily show with jon stewert |
| [07:27:22] | tank-man: | works fine |
| [07:27:46] | tank-man: | try up'ing the priority on the recording |
| [07:28:40] | tank-man: | "record in this timeslot everyday" |
| [07:29:38] | shodan-: | tank-man, yes this works, but if something higher priority comes then it will miss it an not record on the following rerun, it ends up tying up the 7pm slot permanently so I really wanted to use "find daily" instead |
| [07:29:39] | Captain_Murdoch: | that's not what he wants. |
| [07:29:41] | tank-man: | oh yea, my guide data has the episode info. i dont know why yours doesnt. |
| [07:30:03] | shodan-: | tank-man, because I'm using the EIT data and it's not as complete apparently |
| [07:30:26] | tank-man: | i'm getting it from zap2it |
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| [08:54:29] | hads: | Bollocks. I just upgraded the bios on my new box (which reported that it worked fine) and now it won't boot. |
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| [10:01:09] | stuarta: | morning all |
| [10:01:27] | immolo: | hads- won't boot at all or just the video won't show |
| [10:01:30] | immolo: | heya |
| [10:02:43] | hads: | Won't boot at all. It does one long two short beeps and then a continuous short high pitched beep. Can't find much info on those codes though unfortunately. |
| [10:03:11] | stuarta: | things like that are either cpu or memory or video |
| [10:03:48] | stuarta: | check everything, reseat memory, reseat cpu etc etc... check for bent pins |
| [10:03:48] | hads: | It's after a bios upgrade so I think it's a corrupt bios, although the flash util reported success. |
| [10:03:56] | stuarta: | ahh... |
| [10:04:12] | hads: | Silly flash util |
| [10:04:13] | hads: | :) |
| [10:04:23] | immolo: | hmm you sure its the right bios for your laptops version |
| [10:05:03] | hads: | It's a EPIA EK10000G, I'm pretty positive it's the correct image |
| [10:05:05] | immolo: | like mine is a 8355H model and there are like 6 different versions going from D to I |
| [10:05:18] | hads: | There's only one image on their page. |
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| [10:06:16] | immolo: | thats really bad |
| [10:06:24] | hads: | heh, yeah. |
| [10:08:16] | hads: | Yeah, transferring the bios chip to another PC and reflashing it is about the only way. |
| [10:08:54] | immolo: | well thats beyond my knowagle :P |
| [10:09:11] | gardengnome: | hads: at least on ebay germany, there are countless sellers who'll reflash your BIOS for a small fee |
| [10:09:19] | hads: | I haven't had good luck with this board so far, couldn't get the DVI module working with X to start with, now this as a result :) |
| [10:10:07] | hads: | gardengnome: Yeah, I haven't seen anyone over here doing it. |
| [10:10:47] | ** hads is grumpy ** | |
| [10:11:32] | gardengnome: | poor hads :/ |
| [10:11:52] | gardengnome: | gah, stupid sunlight is reflecting on my CRT |
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| [10:42:02] | juski: | morny |
| [10:42:17] | stuarta: | indeed. |
| [10:42:35] | qu0zl: | morning Juski, back to the old name? |
| [10:43:04] | gardengnome: | morning juski |
| [10:43:11] | juski: | aye for now |
| [10:43:18] | rsdvd: | morning juski / All |
| [10:44:14] | Merlin83b: | Morning folks. |
| [10:44:22] | rsdvd: | juski : I thoguht you had retired this nick |
| [10:44:59] | Merlin83b: | rsdvd had his eyes on it once nickserv expired :) |
| [10:45:59] | rsdvd: | :-) |
| [10:46:11] | rsdvd: | maybe it would make me sound more knowledgable |
| [10:46:39] | juski: | hey if you want to be the flame noobie moths are attracted to, you're welcome to it |
| [10:46:54] | rsdvd: | lol |
| [10:47:12] | stuarta: | rather hot flame it is too |
| [10:47:25] | rsdvd: | you are the 'flame' caus eyou actually know what you are talking about – I just make it up and sometimes I am right |
| [10:47:38] | juski: | fuelled by igorance & laziness, no less ;) |
| [10:49:22] | juski: | once I've been resigned from the forum for a while I'm gonna try & kick this habit too |
| [10:49:23] | rsdvd: | juski : now is neon-wide comming? |
| [10:49:50] | juski: | it's not |
| [10:50:03] | rsdvd: | how come? |
| [10:50:18] | juski: | er.. because I've not been doing anything on it? |
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| [10:53:07] | juski: | anyway, when I've finished it, it won't be getting released |
| [10:53:18] | juski: | not until my other themes have been retouched |
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| [10:58:10] | doc_: | hi |
| [11:01:57] | juski: | 00D0D9062A91 |
| [11:02:01] | juski: | bum |
| [11:15:44] | shodan-: | hmmm , 1800bps HQ+4MV+iDCT+interlaced motion estimation = ugly blocky video nightmare that makes me want to gauge my eyes out ??! what's up with that ??? |
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| [11:55:30] | gardengnome: | shodan-: i think that's a known problem that some of these 'quality improving' checkboxes will cause brokenness. check the -dev and/or -commits ML |
| [12:03:41] | juski: | this explains everything: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt6uFg0XyI4 |
| [12:05:09] | rsdvd: | lmao |
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| [12:33:32] | tcpsyn: | I've got two nvidia cards, a 6200 and a 5500... No matter what decoding settings I use, myth spikes my cpu. I though xvmc was supposed to take care of that... It's the xorg process that spikes when I'm running myth, not the frontend itself. |
| [12:33:49] | tcpsyn: | Even with deint shut off. |
| [12:33:59] | juski: | not much traffic today. a bit disappointing since I was going to try being excruciatingly, ass-kissingly 'helpful' today |
| [12:34:36] | quicksilver: | juski: can my PSP run myth? |
| [12:34:47] | quicksilver: | juski: I just picked up a line-printer from a dumpster. Can it run myth? |
| [12:34:48] | tcpsyn: | do I have to do anything in xorg.conf to get xvmc working coffectly? |
| [12:35:04] | quicksilver: | juski: are you going to redo your themes to include characters from my favourite action movie? |
| [12:35:14] | tcpsyn: | hah. |
| [12:35:15] | tcpsyn: | scratch that. |
| [12:35:29] | tcpsyn: | I didn't make an xvmcconfig file |
| [12:35:49] | juski: | wow. see that everybody? someone solved their own problem! |
| [12:35:53] | juski: | :) |
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| [12:36:24] | tcpsyn: | I didn't say it's solved yet :) |
| [12:36:47] | juski: | heh |
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| [12:38:57] | knox: | hello |
| [12:39:16] | tcpsyn: | Well, it didn't resolve the issue, but now it's the mythfrontend process munching the cpu instead of xorg. |
| [12:39:21] | knox: | i get a segmentation fault when im running mythtv-setup |
| [12:39:30] | knox: | whats a good approach to get some more debug info? |
| [12:39:45] | knox: | whats the best practice to hunt down my problem? |
| [12:40:09] | tcpsyn: | Theres a section in the wiki about using gdb.. |
| [12:40:24] | tcpsyn: | that might spit out a better error. |
| [12:40:40] | juski: | and in the main documentation |
| [12:40:41] | tcpsyn: | anything in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log? |
| [12:41:12] | juski: | nothing will be in the backend long if mythbackend hasn't even run yet |
| [12:41:19] | juski: | *log |
| [12:41:37] | tcpsyn: | aye, I'm in no position to give advice. |
| [12:41:58] | knox: | i have installed packages from debian-multimedia.org on debian etch |
| [12:42:47] | juski: | so it segfaults when you run mythtv-setup |
| [12:42:51] | knox: | here you can see console output of mythtv-setup |
| [12:42:53] | knox: | http://pastebin.ca/357043 |
| [12:43:09] | knox: | a window open up |
| [12:43:16] | knox: | in xserver |
| [12:43:22] | knox: | and then the process segfaults |
| [12:43:35] | juski: | ouchy |
| [12:43:50] | knox: | there is some problem connecting to lircd mentionend before |
| [12:43:57] | knox: | but this should give a seg, not? ;-) |
| [12:43:58] | juski: | do the theme dirs exist in /usr/share/mythtv ? |
| [12:44:16] | juski: | the error about lirc is nothing to worry about yet |
| [12:44:25] | knox: | zenega:/home/mythtv# ls -la /usr/share/mythtv/themes/ |
| [12:44:25] | knox: | blue/ classic/ defaultosd/ DVR/ oldosd/ |
| [12:44:25] | knox: | blueosd/ default/ default-wide/ G.A.N.T./ |
| [12:44:39] | juski: | zenega? |
| [12:44:48] | juski: | an in Bose Zenega? |
| [12:44:49] | knox: | its a very nice device by bose |
| [12:45:09] | juski: | would've thought you'd just be using Zenslack |
| [12:45:17] | knox: | see this http://wiki.freifunk-hannover.de/T-Online_S_100 |
| [12:45:22] | knox: | well i hav zenslack running |
| [12:45:26] | ** juski rolls his eyes ** | |
| [12:45:27] | knox: | but it lacks support for the wifi |
| [12:45:30] | juski: | ah |
| [12:45:34] | knox: | and it doesnt support usb dvb-t either |
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| [12:45:39] | knox: | my kernel does all this fine |
| [12:45:45] | knox: | and i have mms running on it, too |
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| [12:46:06] | knox: | but mms' tv functions suck |
| [12:46:14] | knox: | i want mythtv ;-) |
| [12:46:19] | juski: | nice. well, without building mythtv with debugging support into it (i.e. compiling it yourself) there's not much anybody can help with |
| [12:46:29] | knox: | wont be a problem |
| [12:46:36] | knox: | is there some good wiki to start from? |
| [12:46:45] | knox: | i have build from the debian src packages before |
| [12:46:47] | juski: | see the docs about debugging mythtv |
| [12:46:49] | knox: | but it might be to old code? |
| [12:47:21] | juski: | grab the latest 0.20-fixes from svn (svn.mythtv.org) – you'll need the subversion client installed |
| [12:47:41] | knox: | ok so my friends are right when they allways tell me to skip packages ;-) |
| [12:47:48] | juski: | then consult the official docs www.mythtv.org and the official wiki www.mythtv.org/wiki/ |
| [12:47:51] | knox: | well, it will take me some time to have my own compiled |
| [12:47:54] | knox: | but lets start |
| [12:47:56] | knox: | thanks for now ;-) |
| [12:47:59] | juski: | hang on |
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| [12:48:06] | juski: | zenega is the PPC isn't it? |
| [12:48:10] | knox: | no |
| [12:48:12] | knox: | it is intel x86 |
| [12:48:14] | knox: | 128mb ram |
| [12:48:26] | juski: | so it's the S100 |
| [12:48:32] | knox: | intel 3d embedded gfx with s/video, scart, vga ... |
| [12:48:33] | knox: | yes |
| [12:48:39] | knox: | ive added some 100gb hdd |
| [12:48:40] | juski: | not actually the bose zenega |
| [12:48:55] | knox: | not S101CI |
| [12:48:57] | juski: | I was gonna say no wonder it's segfaulting! |
| [12:48:59] | knox: | but S100 |
| [12:49:14] | knox: | the system is build by bose but sold by t-online |
| [12:49:24] | juski: | I have 2 of them, but lets not go into that right now |
| [12:52:32] | knox: | i will return if i run into something interesting |
| [12:52:33] | knox: | bye |
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| [12:53:23] | tcpsyn: | anyone know if the fedora myth rpms have xvmc enabled? |
| [12:53:29] | tcpsyn: | is there a way to check? |
| [12:53:59] | juski: | mythfrontend --version will likely report what's built into it |
| [12:55:14] | tcpsyn: | aye. |
| [12:55:21] | tcpsyn: | so, looks like it's good. |
| [13:01:16] | tcpsyn: | hrm. Looks like it's working in recorded stuff.. but it's killed my live tv perfomance.. so choppy it's unwatchable. |
| [13:02:11] | juski: | mpeg2 encoding? |
| [13:02:21] | juski: | wired network? |
| [13:03:05] | tcpsyn: | yes. It was working fine on this box last week. I added a gig of ram and a second geforce card.. and it all went to shit |
| [13:04:37] | tcpsyn: | the movies are on an nfs directory on the backend server. |
| [13:04:52] | tcpsyn: | shouldn't they be just as choppy as the live tv? |
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| [13:16:23] | tcpsyn: | any idea what I should look at? |
| [13:18:47] | tcpsyn: | Error: Error getting codec params using old IVTV ioctl |
| [13:18:51] | tcpsyn: | could that be it? |
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| [13:36:15] | YippMN: | has anyone here worked with zapping or xawtv , iof not where could i find people that have? |
| [13:36:39] | YippMN: | or is mythtv much better than thos? |
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| [13:37:24] | tcpsyn_: | hrm. weird. |
| [13:37:36] | tcpsyn_: | I bounced the backend, and then the frontend... |
| [13:37:39] | tcpsyn_: | and now it's working fine. |
| [13:37:44] | tcpsyn_: | Not sucking up cpu or anything |
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| [14:08:45] | kslater: | YippMN – dunno zapping – mythtv is much different from xawtv which is a simple app to display the output of a framegrabber card. MythTV is a PVR+ |
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| [14:11:04] | YippMN: | kslater, ok yeah just installing mythtv now had it awhile back before i rebuilt my machine and now was looking at the website , looks much more feature rich than the other two , |
| [14:11:59] | kslater: | indeed feature rich. Not for the faint of heart when trying to get it running. But the documentation available is much better now than it was a few years back. |
| [14:12:03] | YippMN: | kslater, before when i had mythtv i just couldn't get to the point of accually watching tv , can't remember what was wrong so i;ll check back once its all installed :) |
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| [14:15:46] | YippMN: | kslater, could there be a posibility that the card i have is too old ? , its a wintv , bt878 i think pyr-150? |
| [14:16:00] | YippMN: | pvr-150 |
| [14:16:00] | jblack: | yippmn: Those work. |
| [14:16:13] | jblack: | I have one. |
| [14:16:21] | YippMN: | jblack, hmm ok ;) |
| [14:17:18] | YippMN: | oh you do , well good help! , hehe , i'm insytalling mythtv right now , but tried zapping , and xawtv but can't get anything to show , and they both seem to know to use the bt-878 driver |
| [14:18:36] | anykey: | YippMN: if it's a PVR-150 you need to use the ivtv driver... |
| [14:19:04] | YippMN: | anykey, not sure i follow |
| [14:19:30] | anykey: | YippMN: can you give me the line of the output of 'lspci' where it lists your card? |
| [14:20:27] | YippMN: | anykey, 02:0a.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11) 02:0a.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11) |
| [14:21:15] | kslater: | that sure looks like a wintv type card – that's NOT a PVR-150 |
| [14:21:39] | YippMN: | kslater, ok :) |
| [14:21:51] | kslater: | PVR-X50 cards have hardware to grab and encode the frames to MPEG-2 format |
| [14:21:58] | YippMN: | kslater, yes it is a wintv card |
| [14:22:02] | kslater: | wintv doesn't have that |
| [14:22:22] | stuarta: | YippMN: do you see messages about the driver loading in dmesg? |
| [14:22:30] | YippMN: | hmmmm maybe i just through this card out the window hmm? |
| [14:22:44] | kslater: | myth can work with a framegrabber card and I used it that way for a while. I'd suggest getting a PVR-150 or similar tho. |
| [14:22:51] | stuarta: | what are you trying to connect it too??? |
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| [14:27:33] | YippMN: | stuarta, not sure wich |
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| [14:27:55] | YippMN: | dmesg seems to show alot about the card that the machine sees everything about it |
| [14:28:19] | stuarta: | put your dmesg in a pastebin at pastebin.ca |
| [14:29:05] | livingtm: | any of you guys using the hauppauge 150? |
| [14:31:35] | YippMN: | i'm wondering if this Wintv card isn't like a Winmodem , hmm and only will work with the software in win hmm |
| [14:32:39] | YippMN: | gotta run and set my trash out quick be back in a bit :) |
| [14:32:55] | gardengnome: | a bt8x8 card is likely to work in linux |
| [14:34:42] | livingtm: | I have a new hauppauge pvr-150-MCE and the remote control does not look the the images on the lirc website for hauppauge remotes.. is this an MCE remote? |
| [14:35:10] | livingtm: | did that message get cutoff? |
| [14:35:21] | livingtm: | I have a new hauppauge pvr-150-MCE and the remote control does not look the the images on the lirc website for hauppauge remotes.. is this an MCE remote? |
| [14:35:23] | livingtm: | there we go |
| [14:36:29] | stuarta: | definitely looks like a framegrabber card.... |
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| [14:51:16] | YippMN: | stuarta, ok so how did that dmesg output look to you? |
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| [14:52:09] | ** stuarta points up ** | |
| [14:53:02] | stuarta: | but also the bit about card type not found/detected need to be looked at... |
| [14:54:06] | YippMN: | yes i see hmm well ok well then sounds as thought it should work , i'm planning a faster bmachine in the near future with a better tv card and better video and such , but just want to do some experimenting with this card to get an idea of what i will want to do with the new machine :) |
| [14:56:48] | livingtm: | Annyone know if all Windows Media Center certified remotes use the same MCEUSB lirc driver? |
| [14:57:17] | YippMN: | stau don't see where it says card type not found , but this line is interesting bttv: Host bridge needs ETBF enabled.but this line must mean its found bttv: Bt8xx card found (0). |
| [14:57:49] | YippMN: | but whats with the tuner type not set lines?? |
| [14:58:14] | stuarta: | dunno, google is your friend |
| [14:58:30] | stuarta: | but no doubt that is part of the problem |
| [14:59:39] | YippMN: | hmmm |
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| [15:06:28] | livingtm: | any of you guys hav ea second to help me out? |
| [15:07:23] | qu0zl: | livingtm, i've seen that happen where lircd is pointing at the wrong lirc device, check if it's pointed at /dev/lirc when it should be /dev/lirc/0 or vice-versa |
| [15:07:43] | qu0zl: | where the device is created depends on if youre using udev or whatnot. Try running lircd manually with it pointed at the correct device |
| [15:07:45] | livingtm: | ooh that sounds familiar.... |
| [15:08:04] | qu0zl: | it's very bloody familiar to me, and very annoying :) you'd think they'd give an error msg or something ;) |
| [15:08:15] | quicksilver: | yes, I got bitten by the /dev/lirc /dev/lirc/0 thing |
| [15:08:23] | livingtm: | /dev/lircd is the only thing in /dev/ that looks close |
| [15:08:23] | quicksilver: | upgrade of udev changed the device naming and it all broke |
| [15:08:31] | jams: | don't forget to add -n to the lircd command to keep it in the foreground |
| [15:08:51] | jams: | for debugging purposes only |
| [15:09:15] | livingtm: | okay in ubuntu i just ran sudo lircd -n |
| [15:09:24] | livingtm: | its says ready with no errors |
| [15:09:59] | livingtm: | still ls -la /dev/lir* shows only /dev/lircd |
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| [15:10:05] | qu0zl: | yeah well it won't crash until irw connects to it |
| [15:10:13] | livingtm: | oh isee okay |
| [15:10:25] | qu0zl: | it doesn't try and open/read from the device i guess until some client tells it to |
| [15:10:33] | livingtm: | could not get file information for /dev/lirc |
| [15:10:38] | livingtm: | gotcha |
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| [15:11:42] | livingtm: | so that indicates maybe the driver isnt finding the device it expects? |
| [15:12:10] | YippMN: | should i have ivtv installed to get a bt-878 card working with myth tv? |
| [15:12:19] | qu0zl: | pass the device to it on the cmd line as a parameter, make sure it's the right one livingtm |
| [15:12:34] | qu0zl: | to the lircd that is, not to irw |
| [15:12:37] | livingtm: | qu0zl, unless /dev/lircd is the correct device, there is no device |
| [15:13:07] | qu0zl: | if theres no device then the lirc module hasn't loaded properly (eg hasn't found the device or it's the wrong module or wrong config) |
| [15:13:13] | qu0zl: | you sure it's an i2c device? |
| [15:13:22] | livingtm: | okay the module is listed in lsmod, so its loaded ok |
| [15:13:32] | livingtm: | no im not, although that is the one indicated for a hauppauge remote. |
| [15:13:33] | qu0zl: | doesn't mean it found the device though, check your dmesg |
| [15:13:47] | livingtm: | but this is an mce-certified remote, so im wondering if it needs the mceusb driver |
| [15:14:10] | qu0zl: | worth a try livingtm |
| [15:14:21] | livingtm: | when i plug the usb reciever in, i get "new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address2" in dmesg |
| [15:14:40] | qu0zl: | tried modprobing the lirc mceusb module? |
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| [15:15:01] | livingtm: | says module not found... but i thought i just built it |
| [15:15:10] | livingtm: | ill try rebuilding <<AGAIN>> :-) |
| [15:15:24] | stuarta: | depmod -a ? |
| [15:15:27] | qu0zl: | YippMN, the ivtv drivers are for tuners wioth the connexant hardware encoders, not for frambe-grabbers, so you don't need it for bt cards i think |
| [15:16:04] | livingtm: | FATAL: module lirc_mceusb not found |
| [15:16:24] | qu0zl: | YippMN, get it working in xawtv first, it's much simpler than mythtv. once it works with that it should work for mythtv |
| [15:16:32] | YippMN: | qu0zl, ok |
| [15:16:47] | YippMN: | qu0zl, oh really hmm ok |
| [15:17:14] | qu0zl: | just because xawtv is much simpler |
| [15:17:40] | qu0zl: | if it doesn't work in that then its not going to work in mythtv and you need to google bt tuner cards and find out whats wrong with your cards drivers. It's not really mythtv |
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| [15:18:35] | livingtm: | i just rebuilt according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Edgy but when i go to modprob it still tells me the module isnt found |
| [15:19:05] | livingtm: | wghere are the modules stored after they are built? ill go look |
| [15:19:17] | monkeyBox: | Anyone familiar w/ Mythtv's DTV/QAM tuning capabilities? I'm curious, how does mythtv tune to a QAM channel without knowing the VID and AID? |
| [15:21:09] | stuarta: | VID & AID ??? |
| [15:21:26] | YippMN: | qu0zl, hmm with xawtv all i get it a tiny bit of static at the top , and when i swited it to s -video or composit and then back to tv now i have static tv lines all across my monitor hmm? |
| [15:21:35] | stuarta: | monkeyBox: do you mean video PID & audio PID?? |
| [15:22:01] | YippMN: | qu0zl, and theres just ??? at the top of the xawtv window hmm |
| [15:22:40] | qu0zl: | YippMN, i doubt you've got your tuner card setup correctly tbh. I can't help you with it, I've steered well clear of bttv cards |
| [15:23:47] | YippMN: | qu0zl, hmm ok , but how do i go about setting m y tuner card up anyway |
| [15:23:55] | qu0zl: | google :) |
| [15:23:58] | YippMN: | qu0zl, so what cards are better? |
| [15:24:09] | qu0zl: | don't got near mythtv until you have the tuner card working in something simpler like xawtv really |
| [15:24:27] | kslater: | pvr-250, pvr-500, pvr-150 |
| [15:24:31] | qu0zl: | depends on your feed YippMN , I've analogue so i use pvr500 and a mini-pci card that's basically a pvr150 |
| [15:24:33] | YippMN: | not sure what i would google for? |
| [15:24:39] | Dr_willis: | i am hapy with my PVR-150 |
| [15:25:04] | monkeyBox: | stuarta: When you look at a channels.conf file, it has the VID:AID:PID at the end |
| [15:25:16] | YippMN: | so what brands are prv cards then |
| [15:25:33] | stuarta: | monkeyBox: we use the PMT to tell us which streams to use |
| [15:25:37] | kslater: | Hauppauge are good. Lots of users of those |
| [15:25:45] | stuarta: | even plain QAM channels have a PMT |
| [15:26:02] | monkeyBox: | stuarta: PMT? |
| [15:26:05] | Dr_willis: | i found the 150 on sale over xmas – about $50 after rebates |
| [15:26:11] | stuarta: | Program Map Table |
| [15:26:13] | YippMN: | kslater, well this is a hauppayge card |
| [15:26:24] | livingtm: | sweeeet okay not i have a /dev/lirc0 |
| [15:26:29] | livingtm: | now i have |
| [15:26:41] | monkeyBox: | stuarta: Ok. What I'm trying to do is convert the data from a QAM channel scan in mythtv to a channels.conf for mplayer. |
| [15:26:46] | qu0zl: | cool, good work livingtm |
| [15:26:51] | YippMN: | hm but like i've been thinking this wintv card only works with win software like the winmodems doo |
| [15:26:53] | Dr_willis: | for a hauupage card. on the mythtv-setup – you need to select the proper card. i niticed it dident select it by default. |
| [15:26:54] | livingtm: | so can i ln -s /dev/lirc0 lirc? |
| [15:27:07] | monkeyBox: | I came up with this: |
| [15:27:17] | livingtm: | YippMN, which card? |
| [15:27:44] | livingtm: | YippMN, im working with a WinTV-PVR150 right now |
| [15:27:48] | monkeyBox: | I just used 0:0 for the vid/aid because I didn't know where to get it from, but mplayer doesn't seem to work w/o the vid/pid |
| [15:27:57] | YippMN: | livingtm, its a wintv card , by haupauge, bt-878 |
| [15:27:59] | stuarta: | it's dynamic |
| [15:28:08] | qu0zl: | YippMN, if it's a bttv card it's very likely supported under linux. Your dmesg even said the driver found it didn't it but that it failed to configure it properly? (I don't read the pastebin) |
| [15:28:28] | livingtm: | bt-878.. ive seen that before i think.. i havd a pinnacle systems with that chipset |
| [15:28:38] | kslater: | YippMN unless something has changed that card can work. It's just a question of is it worth the effort. |
| [15:28:39] | qu0zl: | livingtm, edit your /etc/init.d/lircd script or whatever you call it (or make one) and make it call lircd with the correct device |
| [15:28:41] | YippMN: | qu0zl, yes as far as i see it does see it |
| [15:28:57] | qu0zl: | YippMN, so you need to google for the errors in the dmesg and find out how people fixed them |
| [15:29:25] | kslater: | problem is YippMN, not many still use framegrabber cards. Most use cards with hardware encoding capture sections |
| [15:29:35] | kslater: | ivtv supported cards |
| [15:29:45] | livingtm: | qu0zl, I credit a link.. should that work ? because its not |
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| [15:30:07] | stuarta: | monkeyBox: no, the PAT lists channels by serviceid |
| [15:30:11] | qu0zl: | livingtm, don't make a link, just test it by running lircd pointing at the real device not at a symlink |
| [15:30:22] | monkeyBox: | stuarta: what's the PMT, then? |
| [15:30:29] | YippMN: | kslater, well hmm guess its probly just a matter of getting something a bit nwer |
| [15:30:29] | monkeyBox: | dvb_multiplex? |
| [15:30:30] | qu0zl: | make sure it really works doing that, then google for a /etc/init.d/lircd script and install it after editing it to point to the right device |
| [15:30:50] | qu0zl: | YippMN, if money isn't a big issue it's probably worth ditching the bttv card just to avoid the hassle |
| [15:31:00] | qu0zl: | you'll be much happier with a decent hardware card anyway |
| [15:31:04] | livingtm: | qu0zl, okay it loads lircd and irw okay, but i get no response from my remote |
| [15:31:14] | qu0zl: | have you trained it using irrecord? |
| [15:31:19] | livingtm: | does the fact that it loads confirm that its the right driver? |
| [15:31:28] | livingtm: | no i havent, i downloaded the hauppauge file |
| [15:31:33] | qu0zl: | if irw doesn't instantly exit then yes livingtm |
| [15:31:38] | ** monkeyBox is confused ** | |
| [15:31:41] | livingtm: | sweet |
| [15:31:53] | qu0zl: | they often won't match livingtm , read the docs on how to make your own config. irrecord if i remember right |
| [15:32:00] | stuarta: | monkeyBox: do some reading of the basics of mpeg multiplexing |
| [15:32:06] | stuarta: | also lookup dvb SI tables |
| [15:32:14] | livingtm: | qu0zl, okay, iull try that.. thanks |
| [15:32:39] | stuarta: | but essentially it goes like this |
| [15:32:49] | YippMN: | qu0zl, well not haveing a job right now , puts the issiue of money in there :) |
| [15:33:33] | qu0zl: | then you'll have to google and hope YippMN, it'll probably work eventually. We've all been there and wasted hours on crappy HW :( |
| [15:33:33] | stuarta: | ie. Audio, Video, Subtitle etc |
| [15:33:40] | monkeyBox: | stuarta: ok, I'm reading about the signaling tables: http://erg.abdn.ac.uk/research/future-net/dig . . . /mpeg-ts.gif |
| [15:34:00] | YippMN: | qu0zl, ok so then you should be able to tell me just what to do if youve al been there hehe :) |
| [15:34:25] | YippMN: | qu0zl, accually just found what appears to be a very good site about setting up a bttv card hmm |
| [15:34:41] | ** YippMN is reading more again! sheesh , linux sure does make you read alot hehe ** | |
| [15:35:41] | stuarta: | the bit about Signalling tables |
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| [15:38:07] | juski: | wooo that fills in a few gaps :) |
| [15:38:32] | stuarta: | indeed... |
| [15:38:47] | ** stuarta bookmarks it cause he can never find it when he wants it ** | |
| [15:39:56] | monkeyBox: | Ok, so the PMT contains the AID and VID that I'm looking for? |
| [15:40:05] | stuarta: | yes |
| [15:40:08] | ** monkeyBox is trying out dvbsnoop ** | |
| [15:40:20] | stuarta: | juski: you like that page??? |
| [15:41:06] | juski: | notmuch there I didn't know already, but like I said it fills in some nifty details |
| [15:41:31] | stuarta: | and doesn't obscure it in technical details. |
| [15:42:39] | Merlin83b: | Damn you, mytharchive! |
| [15:42:46] | Merlin83b: | You promise so much, take so long and error so much! |
| [15:43:13] | juski: | mythwho? ;) |
| [15:43:35] | livingtm: | im having trouble with irrecord now.. when teaching th ebuttons its telling me "Something went wrong. Please try again" |
| [15:44:00] | juski: | livingtm: I've seen that with some remotes |
| [15:44:10] | juski: | also seen that caused by buggy lirc |
| [15:44:21] | livingtm: | I used the mceusb2 driver, i wonder if i shoul duse the mceusb driver (without the 2) |
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| [15:45:03] | anykey: | Can I use *two* serial ir transmitters with LIRC to emit *the same* signals to two different STBs? |
| [15:47:17] | YippMN: | qu0zl, so what driver does the pvr-150 and so on use? |
| [15:47:32] | qu0zl: | ivtv |
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| [15:48:13] | YippMN: | qu0zl, hmm ok , and theres no other brands of tv cards out there , that don't say wintv on them? |
| [15:48:32] | livingtm: | juski, is there any fix or workaround? |
| [15:48:43] | YippMN: | qu0zl, from what ive tried so far it doesn't look as if this card is gonna work hmm |
| [15:49:08] | qu0zl: | there's loads that don't say wintv. YippMN that card is not windows only, my pvr500 was a pvr500MCE, but it's got as much to do with windows MCE as I do :) |
| [15:49:17] | qu0zl: | they just put WIN or MCE on them to market them |
| [15:49:41] | livingtm: | qu0zl, hows the quality on that 500? Im not super impressed wiht the 150 |
| [15:49:51] | monkeyBox: | stuarta: so, given a frequency and serviceid, is it possible to determine PMT info using dvbsnoop? |
| [15:49:59] | stuarta: | yep |
| [15:50:00] | qu0zl: | i'm happy with it, much the same as livetv far as i can tell |
| [15:50:17] | YippMN: | qu0zl, hmm ok ,just seems it shouldn't be so damn difcult to get things like this working |
| [15:50:18] | qu0zl: | i've analogue cable so a very good signal |
| [15:50:33] | qu0zl: | YippMN, the framegrabbers are famously difficult unfortunately |
| [15:50:34] | stuarta: | monkeyBox: you first need to tune to the channel with tzap/azap/szap |
| [15:50:53] | livingtm: | qu0zl, with my 150 i get mixed results.. I just got it up and runnin glst night, but sometimes the image seems like it went through a window screen.. |
| [15:51:10] | YippMN: | qu0zl, so the present versions of tvcards aren't framgrabbers then i take it? |
| [15:51:15] | livingtm: | other times is seems like im getting low framerates |
| [15:51:31] | livingtm: | YippMN, they have hardware mpeg encoders built in |
| [15:51:48] | YippMN: | livingtm, hmm i see |
| [15:51:48] | stuarta: | you have to zap before each dvbsnoop... |
| [15:52:03] | livingtm: | YippMN, much easier on your CPU if the card does the encoding, not your CPU |
| [15:52:09] | YippMN: | so its just a matter of maybe just going out and geting a decent newer card :) |
| [15:52:34] | livingtm: | YippMN, I threw my old gramegrabber in the trash and got one wiht an mpeg2 encoder on board |
| [15:52:37] | livingtm: | what a difference |
| [15:53:18] | YippMN: | thing is , and i know i shouldn't use fowl language in here, but it nice watching tv on it in /win :) |
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| [15:55:15] | YippMN: | has anyone seen a good video card with tv tuner built in/ |
| [15:55:20] | YippMN: | ? |
| [15:55:45] | YippMN: | just thought i'de ask , i know its better to have each as its own card :) |
| [15:56:42] | livingtm: | YippMN, One thing about framegrabbers and recording. In my experience you drop frames because the data rates are real high.. then the audio becomes misaligned with th evideo over time |
| [15:57:55] | YippMN: | livingtm, yup noticed that in Win , thought maybe it was because of not enough memory on the video card |
| [15:58:09] | livingtm: | noppers, its the raw video rate |
| [15:58:17] | livingtm: | as far as i understand |
| [15:58:22] | livingtm: | the mpeg2 is much much better :-) |
| [15:59:11] | YippMN: | liv ok well that settles it i'll wait till i get a newer card then :) |
| [16:02:34] | qu0zl: | you're right livingtm , with hardware encoding in the card it only transfers the encoded mpeg over the bus which might be 6mbit or so instead of 25fps of 720x576xbytedepth grabs |
| [16:02:42] | qu0zl: | so way less bus traffic |
| [16:03:00] | monkeyBox: | stuarta: azap/tzap/szap? I need to use each of these programs just to tune? What about dvbtune? |
| [16:03:29] | stuarta: | they have most likely evolved into dvbtune |
| [16:03:43] | livingtm: | woah, lirc is freaking out on me.. i justr trained the remote successfully, but now im using irw and there are phantom signals being recieved |
| [16:04:02] | livingtm: | and its not recieving from my remote! |
| [16:04:16] | livingtm: | WTF |
| [16:04:27] | livingtm: | ir interference? |
| [16:05:14] | mocker: | Does anyone know a simple way to pull the list of upcoming recordings to a text file? |
| [16:05:33] | mocker: | I was thinking of using the backend protocol but there might be an easier way. |
| [16:05:47] | anykey: | mocker: do some SQL.. |
| [16:05:51] | qu0zl: | mocker, check the mythweb upcoming recordings page for the mysql command they use and do that with a pipe to text file |
| [16:06:11] | tank-man: | mythbackend --printsched |
| [16:06:18] | qu0zl: | heh, and we have a winner |
| [16:06:20] | YippMN: | qu0zl, livingtm you guys have opinions on tvwonder cards ? |
| [16:06:20] | mocker: | tank-man: aewsome. |
| [16:06:32] | livingtm: | YippMN, havent used either |
| [16:06:47] | qu0zl: | sorry YippMN I don't know them. Check out the wiki |
| [16:06:48] | livingtm: | actually i would really like to hear peoples opinions of some mid to high end analog tv cards |
| [16:07:02] | livingtm: | not "works" or "doesnt work" but "i really like this card" |
| [16:07:03] | tank-man: | pvr-x50 |
| [16:07:09] | tank-man: | i really like pvr-x50 |
| [16:07:28] | livingtm: | tank-man, you find the quality okay? im not impressed with the 150 i installed lst night |
| [16:07:42] | livingtm: | framerate doesnt seem to be 100% |
| [16:08:04] | YippMN: | hah , just saw one site that comments for tvwonder 200 and so on , "avoid them like the plague " :)) |
| [16:08:08] | livingtm: | images are a bit grainy or something too.. grainy isnt the right word.. looks like th eimage is made of little squares |
| [16:08:22] | livingtm: | ill spend more money if i have good recommendations from people |
| [16:08:23] | qu0zl: | have you change the res and bitrate livingtm ? |
| [16:08:46] | livingtm: | qu0zl, i bumped the bitrate up its hard to tell.. it seems intermittent |
| [16:08:57] | qu0zl: | did you set the res to your native transmision res? |
| [16:09:01] | livingtm: | what SHOULD the res be for analog standard def tv? |
| [16:09:12] | livingtm: | 480x480? |
| [16:09:15] | qu0zl: | 720x576 is what i use for pal |
| [16:09:19] | livingtm: | ntsc |
| [16:09:20] | livingtm: | here |
| [16:09:26] | qu0zl: | 640x480 would be my ntsc guess :) |
| [16:09:31] | livingtm: | oaky |
| [16:10:54] | livingtm: | ill try that |
| [16:11:04] | livingtm: | .. when i get this F-ing remote working :-) |
| [16:11:21] | qu0zl: | haha |
| [16:11:31] | qu0zl: | lirc was the hardest bit of mythtv i found, and it's not even mythtv |
| [16:11:53] | quicksilver: | I'm still not happy with the conf of my remote |
| [16:12:03] | quicksilver: | it has an analogue joystick in the middle I want to get to work :) |
| [16:12:23] | livingtm: | yeah i understand its not you guys, but obviously we all have experience with it :-) |
| [16:12:32] | livingtm: | and same with the video4linux stuff |
| [16:12:48] | livingtm: | myth users probably use it the most |
| [16:17:24] | livingtm: | tank-man, thts why i bought it... |
| [16:17:43] | livingtm: | tank-man, but when i first hit live TV with it i said "Holy crap, this sucks compared to my convertx" |
| [16:18:03] | livingtm: | but it could just be settings.... so ill keep playing :-) |
| [16:18:04] | tank-man: | try different settings (bitrate, resolution, ivtv versions) |
| [16:18:20] | livingtm: | actually the new ivtv was one thing i thought i might try |
| [16:18:50] | tank-man: | i think i'm current ly using ivtv 4.x |
| [16:19:20] | qu0zl: | livingtm, do try setting your ivtv capture res to the same as your tv source and set your X display to match, so there's no unecessary scaling anywhere |
| [16:20:05] | livingtm: | qu0zl, will do |
| [16:20:17] | livingtm: | so you guys really do like your PVE-x50's then |
| [16:20:37] | livingtm: | i hvae a 500 on order :-) |
| [16:21:44] | GreyFoxx: | the default recording values in myth are not optimal for pvr cards |
| [16:21:49] | tank-man: | a 500 is just two 150 in one i think |
| [16:21:53] | GreyFoxx: | it is |
| [16:21:55] | livingtm: | yeah it is |
| [16:22:00] | livingtm: | okay ill keep playing |
| [16:22:13] | livingtm: | what is a goob bitrate? is 2200 ok? or is it highly compresed? |
| [16:22:34] | GreyFoxx: | livingtm: FYI, set your recording resolution to 720x480. There are known bugs in some of the ivtv drivers that can cause image ghosting if you record from a 150 which is not at full ntsc resolution |
| [16:22:55] | GreyFoxx: | I use like 4mb average anbd 6mb high |
| [16:23:14] | GreyFoxx: | works out to about 2.2 to 2.4g per hour depending on the show |
| [16:24:15] | livingtm: | 720x480 gotcha |
| [16:24:16] | qu0zl: | yeah i use 6mbit as well, 2200 sounds pretty low |
| [16:24:32] | ** GreyFoxx logs in to home and checkes his profiles ** | |
| [16:25:16] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, my default profile is 4500, with 6000 max |
| [16:25:22] | YippMN: | so wheres a good pl;ace to get a pvr-x50 from? |
| [16:26:15] | livingtm: | 1600 does not |
| [16:26:21] | livingtm: | i just bought a 150 and it is a true 150 |
| [16:26:30] | livingtm: | from compusa |
| [16:26:31] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, some boxes have the 1600 in it. I'd be royally pissed if that happened to me |
| [16:26:47] | livingtm: | i looked the box up and down for substitution notices |
| [16:26:54] | livingtm: | the 1600 is 30 bucks cheaper!!! |
| [16:26:58] | livingtm: | insane |
| [16:27:33] | livingtm: | okay lirc is trained and working now, but im noticing with irw that a button lots of times shows that it was pressed twice |
| [16:27:38] | livingtm: | even if i press and release quickly |
| [16:27:54] | qu0zl: | look at the repeat values livingtm |
| [16:27:55] | YippMN: | yeah seems it says 150 on the box but if you look very close at the small print on the back of the box it says its a 1600 hmm is |
| [16:28:05] | livingtm: | no smal print on mine |
| [16:28:34] | livingtm: | repeat 0 0 (have no idea how to set this) |
| [16:28:40] | qu0zl: | man lirc :P |
| [16:28:53] | livingtm: | :P |
| [16:29:29] | livingtm: | no manual entry for lirc :-P |
| [16:29:47] | qu0zl: | i've done repeat lines for everything but stuff i want to repeat which is "repeat = 3" for channel +- and repeat = 1 for volup/down |
| [16:29:55] | qu0zl: | guess no repeat line means don't repeat |
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| [16:30:07] | qu0zl: | oops, i've NO repeat lines, even |
| [16:30:10] | juski: | when I throw this switch, all framegrabber cards will simply vanish.... |
| [16:30:14] | qu0zl: | except for ch+-/volup/down |
| [16:30:22] | juski: | bzzzzt! damn. |
| [16:30:22] | qu0zl: | you're a humanitarian juski :) |
| [16:30:59] | juski: | the lirc documentation tell you all about the lircrc parameter lines :) |
| [16:31:01] | livingtm: | you cant set the repeat values in lircd.conf for each individual button can you? |
| [16:31:04] | juski: | *tells |
| [16:31:09] | juski: | yes you can |
| [16:31:15] | juski: | see the lirc docs :) |
| [16:31:26] | livingtm: | man, I have having to become an expert just to get it to work :-) |
| [16:31:33] | juski: | oops |
| [16:31:42] | livingtm: | hate having |
| [16:31:43] | ** juski wais for the dousing in petrol ** | |
| [16:32:02] | quicksilver: | livingtm: /having to become an expert/ != /reading the docs/ :P |
| [16:32:38] | monkeyBox: | stuarta: check this out. I'm running: "dvbtune -q 256 693000000", and then "dvbsnoop -s ts -pd 1 -tssubdecode -nph 0x00", but dvbsnoop just hangs there and doesn't output anything |
| [16:33:08] | stuarta: | monkeyBox: after the dvbtune, does it say it's LOCKED ??? |
| [16:33:33] | qu0zl: | oh dear. I was just looking for the 404.php page on one of our units but i couldn't find it, i kept getting a 404 page missing error |
| [16:33:43] | qu0zl: | i need some sleep :( |
| [16:33:58] | juski: | speaking of 404.. wtf has happened to my webshite? |
| [16:34:01] | monkeyBox: | stuarta: hmm.. no, no output from dvbtune |
| [16:34:50] | monkeyBox: | stuarta: I think I need the -pnr flag set :-p |
| [16:35:34] | stuarta: | i don't ever use dvbtune... |
| [16:36:33] | juski: | could someone see if the domain upload.ntlworld.com exists please? |
| [16:36:51] | stuarta: | nope |
| [16:37:00] | stuarta: | it's not resolving |
| [16:37:05] | juski: | :( |
| [16:37:09] | jams: | same here |
| [16:37:11] | stuarta: | DNS shaftage |
| [16:37:12] | juski: | arse |
| [16:37:32] | juski: | !trout NTHell |
| [16:37:32] | ** MythLogBot slaps NTHell with a trout on behalf of juski... ** | |
| [16:37:38] | juski: | oops |
| [16:37:49] | stuarta: | their main DNS is functioning tho |
| [16:38:01] | livingtm: | okay repeat = 0 means ignore repeated keys |
| [16:38:06] | livingtm: | its not ignoring htem |
| [16:38:09] | juski: | !trout VirginMedia balloony |
| [16:38:09] | ** MythLogBot slaps VirginMedia with a balloony trout on behalf of juski... ** | |
| [16:39:22] | qu0zl: | livingtm, try no repeat line, i think that's actually ignore repeated keys, and repeat = 0 may be accept all repeats |
| [16:39:31] | qu0zl: | i remember it was something unintuitive |
| [16:39:43] | qu0zl: | i've only got repeat lines on buttons i actually want to repeat |
| [16:40:19] | livingtm: | # to comment right? |
| [16:41:21] | livingtm: | its behaving very wierd. |
| [16:41:28] | livingtm: | i press a button once and get nothing |
| [16:41:37] | livingtm: | i press is a second time and i get 3 or 4 |
| [16:41:40] | GreyFoxx: | juski: It resolves from here |
| [16:42:02] | GreyFoxx: | I tried against both name servers assigned to ntlworld.com |
| [16:42:10] | qu0zl: | livingtm, is it completly reliable in irw. if it's not you might need to tweak your remotes config |
| [16:42:22] | mocker: | Hmm. |
| [16:42:25] | livingtm: | no i havent gotten beyond irw yet |
| [16:42:43] | mocker: | Just made a 116 character long command to print all my upcoming recordings for today. |
| [16:42:51] | mocker: | I need to stop chaining stuff together. :( |
| [16:43:26] | livingtm: | yeah something aint right |
| [16:44:11] | livingtm: | my repeat line shows two values |
| [16:44:14] | livingtm: | what is that |
| [16:45:50] | livingtm: | this is frustrating as hell |
| [16:45:56] | cake: | wc |
| [16:45:58] | cake: | ups |
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| [16:47:05] | livingtm: | according to the docs, 0 ignores all repeats and it is NOT. |
| [16:49:26] | monkeyBox: | hmmm now dvbtune gives me "unknown FE type. Aborting" :-p I wonder what FE type is? |
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| [16:50:31] | livingtm: | if you guys all have PVR-150's, dont you have the remote controls as well????!? |
| [16:51:55] | tank-man: | i have a remote yea |
| [16:52:14] | livingtm: | you have a lircd.conf for it? mine is the pvr-150-mce kit |
| [16:54:56] | tank-man: | i dont know if it will work but you can have mine if you want it |
| [16:55:33] | tank-man: | just use irrecord to make your own |
| [16:55:38] | livingtm: | im trying to |
| [16:55:47] | livingtm: | tank-man, its not handling the repeats properly |
| [16:56:02] | livingtm: | the settings dont seem to make a difference in behavior |
| [16:56:05] | livingtm: | plus to docs seem wrong |
| [16:56:24] | livingtm: | repeat=0 makes lirc not respond to ANYTHING |
| [16:56:36] | livingtm: | repeat 0 0 makes it respond with every repeat |
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| [17:00:04] | livingtm: | man i am really confused with this .. i press the button once and get nothing, press it again and get two responses.. WTF |
| [17:02:43] | livingtm: | tank-man, can i try yours? |
| [17:03:41] | jams: | does intel iegd (tv-out) work with xorg 7.1? |
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| [17:04:45] | tank-man: | Offering lircmd.conf to livingtm |
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| [17:06:19] | Weezey: | Why is there a reschedule done after a delete? Can I disable that? If I'm mass-deleteing old shows it backlogs the master backend |
| [17:06:46] | livingtm: | tank-man, im suprised that the cfg file on the lirc.sourceforge site doesnt work |
| [17:06:52] | tank-man: | livingtm, do you get the same behaviour with keypresses with mode 2 or irw? |
| [17:06:56] | livingtm: | but my remote doesnt match the pictures posted with the file either |
| [17:07:11] | tank-man: | its easy to make your own with irrecord |
| [17:07:12] | livingtm: | im using irw.. i dont know what mode2 is |
| [17:07:18] | livingtm: | i did make mine with irrecord |
| [17:07:27] | livingtm: | but its not handling the repeats properly |
| [17:07:40] | livingtm: | and when i change the repeat line in the file it doesnt respond to anytthing |
| [17:07:48] | livingtm: | or it responds to all |
| [17:08:00] | livingtm: | and im running out of hair to pull |
| [17:08:11] | livingtm: | where do i get lircmd.conf |
| [17:11:09] | juski: | jams: I dunno for sure yet |
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| [17:12:04] | livingtm: | im looking in lircd.conf |
| [17:12:46] | livingtm: | i just copied the lircd.conf and the lircmd.conf from the happauge directory on the sourceforge site, copied them into /etc/lirc and restarted lirc |
| [17:12:50] | livingtm: | no response at all from my controller |
| [17:13:46] | livingtm: | tank-man, i dont have a lircrc file yet |
| [17:13:56] | livingtm: | im monitoring in irw |
| [17:14:40] | jams: | juski- ok , only asking cause intel is next on the list for the "advanced X" screen. |
| [17:15:03] | jams: | At the moment I don't have an intel board with tv-out so it's kinda hard to test =) |
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| [17:16:11] | tank-man: | livingtm, so what do you mean when you put in "repeat = 0" , where are you putting that? |
| [17:16:21] | livingtm: | lircd.conf |
| [17:16:24] | juski: | jams: I do :) |
| [17:16:58] | livingtm: | tank-man, irrecord put it in there, i was trying to tweak it |
| [17:17:05] | livingtm: | because by default it sucks |
| [17:17:33] | tank-man: | paste your lircd.conf in pastebin |
| [17:17:41] | jams: | might buy a board if I can find one on the cheap |
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| [17:19:19] | tank-man: | livingtm, i think you are trying to put lircrc format commands in your lircd.conf file |
| [17:19:37] | livingtm: | http://www.pastebin.ca/357378 |
| [17:19:54] | livingtm: | tank-man, i just cant believe with th epopularity of this card i cant get my hands on someones working config file :-) |
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| [17:20:59] | livingtm: | tank-man, that lircd.conf came straight out of irrecord |
| [17:21:05] | juski: | woo my webshite is back oop :) |
| [17:21:23] | livingtm: | tank-man, all but the delay line, i added that and it screwed it up |
| [17:21:33] | qu0zl: | with the repeat text livingtm? My remote has no repeat settings in the lircd.conf, |
| [17:21:36] | juski: | livingtm: nevermind anybody's lame ready-made config files – there's fun in them thar hills making yer own |
| [17:21:53] | tank-man: | livingtm, line 22 and 23, those look like lircrc format commands, not lircd.conf ones |
| [17:21:55] | livingtm: | juski, except i've had about enough fun |
| [17:22:05] | juski: | :) |
| [17:22:29] | juski: | gardengnome: why? |
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| [17:23:00] | juski: | because of the secret pwning trojan that runs if they don't ? ;) |
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| [17:23:26] | juski: | oh. I say read the 'readme' |
| [17:23:34] | juski: | damn. I didn't figure on pedants |
| [17:23:45] | tank-man: | livingtm, do you have a lircrc file ? i think repeated key presses are handled in that file |
| [17:23:53] | tank-man: | just leave your lircd.conf file alone |
| [17:23:53] | livingtm: | no idont |
| [17:24:01] | livingtm: | lircrc is for myth isnt it? |
| [17:24:15] | tank-man: | it is for lirc and any apps that use it |
| [17:24:28] | tank-man: | xmms, mplayer, xine, etc |
| [17:24:42] | gardengnome: | juski: FYI, the blootube-wide page seems corrupted, i only get "blootube-wide – a GUI th" |
| [17:24:48] | livingtm: | tank-man, i didnt get that far because i wasnt happy with its response so far |
| [17:24:53] | juski: | well, nobody's missing much |
| [17:25:02] | livingtm: | it sometimes doesnt respond to keys,m other times it repeats the crap out of them |
| [17:25:40] | jams: | gardengnome- looks ok here |
| [17:25:51] | gardengnome: | jams: must be my browser hiccuping then |
| [17:26:18] | juski: | so I yell at people for not reading. if there's a major problem with that I'll just bugger off |
| [17:26:30] | livingtm: | tank-man, some of my buttons arent even responding.. but they taught ok in irrecord |
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| [17:26:52] | gardengnome: | juski: i suggested it'd be good to tell people that there actually *is* something they can read |
| [17:27:11] | juski: | hmpph |
| [17:27:56] | gardengnome: | heh :) |
| [17:27:57] | livingtm: | god this thing sucks. its so unreliable |
| [17:28:14] | juski: | hardly anybody hits my site anyway |
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| [17:28:24] | juski: | nobody from the wiki, getting about 2–3 hits a day |
| [17:28:36] | juski: | fickle users ;) |
| [17:29:30] | xris: | juski: you changed your name back. |
| [17:30:17] | juski: | jups |
| [17:31:21] | livingtm: | guys im at the end of my rope. who can send me the config files for a Hauppauge pvr-150-mce remote controlo |
| [17:31:39] | qu0zl: | i use a different remote, sorry livingtm |
| [17:32:09] | livingtm: | its about the most popular kit out there and noone has it working? |
| [17:32:22] | tank-man: | i got a pvr-250 |
| [17:32:44] | tank-man: | same controller from 350 i think |
| [17:32:55] | livingtm: | does it have the MCE start button in the middle? |
| [17:33:11] | livingtm: | (which i will dig out with a pocket knife) |
| [17:33:11] | tank-man: | no |
| [17:33:44] | livingtm: | shit |
| [17:33:47] | tank-man: | i suggest going on to make your lircrc file |
| [17:34:19] | tank-man: | cause thtats the file that handles key repeats |
| [17:34:38] | livingtm: | tank-man, i would agree.. but theres more to it than that |
| [17:34:40] | juski: | if irw works ok, you're good to make a new lircrc file |
| [17:34:46] | gardengnome: | it might be possible to use the evdev driver for it with inputlircd |
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| [17:34:56] | livingtm: | some buttons dont respond at ll unless they are pressed 2 or 3 times. its totally unreliable and inconsistant |
| [17:35:09] | juski: | irrecord may not work because the receiver might only be programmed to work with one remote |
| [17:35:44] | livingtm: | juski, it seems to work ok.. if i press the buttons over and over i DO get the correct signal |
| [17:35:50] | qu0zl: | livingtm, have you tried googling for other peoples configs and diff'ing them against yours |
| [17:36:14] | qu0zl: | i got my final config by using irrecord then comparing it to another one from the web and trying variants |
| [17:36:23] | qu0zl: | was better than the original config i made that way |
| [17:36:38] | juski: | and despite appearances sometimes, this channel isn't the sum total of worldly mythtv knowhow :) |
| [17:36:49] | livingtm: | why does mine show raw codes and everone else shows "codes" |
| [17:36:55] | livingtm: | mine codes are like 20 lines long |
| [17:37:37] | juski: | there are plenty of lircd.conf & lircrc files scatterred around |
| [17:37:46] | qu0zl: | i've seen that similar differences between configs for my remote type. i think it only NEEDs enough characters to unqieuly identify the key but it can list all that are sent. That's just my remote, god knows what yours does |
| [17:37:48] | juski: | which model is it? |
| [17:38:48] | livingtm: | juski, it came with the hauppauge WinTV-PVR150 i bought last night |
| [17:38:55] | livingtm: | MCE kit |
| [17:38:57] | qu0zl: | i'm off home, good luck with it livingtm |
| [17:39:03] | livingtm: | qu0zl, thanks |
| [17:39:32] | gberardi: | http://pastebin.ca/357399 This is the output of dmesg. Near the bottom, you can see that one of the two PVR-150 cards stopped working correctly. I was just wondering if anyone else here can see something that I can't see that would immediately point out what the problem is. |
| [17:39:49] | juski: | is it a MS MCE remote or Hauppauge one? |
| [17:40:44] | livingtm: | it works with the MCEUSB2 driver |
| [17:43:27] | livingtm: | AHHHHHHHHh the mceusb config file from sourceforge works |
| [17:43:28] | livingtm: | damn |
| [17:43:54] | livingtm: | finally. |
| [17:44:11] | livingtm: | i dont have to shoot myself. Thanks for the guidance juski.. you might be rid of me finally :-) |
| [17:44:27] | Dagmar: | gberardi: No there's nothing in that log that would indicate why the card failed. |
| [17:44:47] | juski: | I was just about to suggest http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote |
| [17:44:53] | Dagmar: | gberardi: If it keeps doing it you can pretty much attribute it to failing hardware tho |
| [17:45:35] | gberardi: | Dagmar: Doh |
| [17:45:51] | Dagmar: | No need to get excited yet |
| [17:46:02] | Dagmar: | Lots of random things that aren't impending hardware failure could have caused it. |
| [17:46:17] | juski: | my pvr150 pooed its pants last week |
| [17:46:25] | gberardi: | Dagmar: I am googling the model numbers, specifically for the one that stopped working. |
| [17:46:35] | juski: | just needed a nappy change (reboot) & all was well again |
| [17:47:08] | gberardi: | Dagmar: Apparently it might just be that the driver isn't quite ready, although when Ubuntu moves up to Feisty, the driver might be ready. |
| [17:47:25] | juski: | pvr150 drivers have been mature for ages now |
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| [17:47:40] | Dagmar: | Anything along those lines you can blame on Ubuntu |
| [17:47:44] | juski: | might've known this was an ubunut issue |
| [17:48:03] | gberardi: | Dagmar: Even when I pull down the latest kernel and CVS source for the driver? B-) |
| [17:48:05] | Dagmar: | We had another annoying "starting the backend gives an X authentication error" issue last night |
| [17:48:05] | juski: | oops. I mean AWESOME_OS |
| [17:48:30] | Dagmar: | gberardi: Dude, you had one failure. This means virtually nothing until it happens again. |
| [17:48:49] | gberardi: | Dagmar: It's been happening a lot. I just finally got the dmesg dump to another computer so I could figure it out in the meantime. |
| [17:48:51] | Dagmar: | This ain't windows where you might have other, random critical failures of the entire OS to lump in with it |
| [17:49:14] | Dagmar: | Okay, so if it's been happening a lot and only on that card, put the card in a different slot. If that does't work, replace the card. |
| [17:49:26] | Dagmar: | You can't blame the driver if you have two cards and only one of them does this. |
| [17:49:33] | gberardi: | Dagmar: MythTV is supposed to be incredibly stable for a lot of people. Months of uptime. My system hasn't been so stable, and I am still trying to figure it out. |
| [17:49:45] | gberardi: | Dagmar: Both are PVR-150s, but it turns out that they are two different models. |
| [17:49:54] | juski: | my box was uber stable on gentoo. hasn't been quite the same on ubunut :( |
| [17:49:58] | Dagmar: | Waving your hands around and syaing "oh dear it crashed" isn't likely to tell you what's wrong either. |
| [17:50:16] | gberardi: | So I can't even trust that the driver will just work with a PVR-150 because a PVR-150 isn't apparently the model number. |
| [17:50:28] | gberardi: | Dagmar: It's not like I am just crying about a crash. |
| [17:50:32] | Dagmar: | Unless you've been overly vague about what's been going on (and I don't appreciate being given details of a problem as rebuttals) you need to replace the defective card. |
| [17:50:37] | Dagmar: | Period. |
| [17:50:42] | gberardi: | I've been googling and working on this problem for the past month. |
| [17:50:56] | Dagmar: | So, let me put all this in rows and columns for you one last time then |
| [17:51:18] | Dagmar: | For a month now, you've been having critical failures out of one of a pair of PVR-150 cards running in the same box. |
| [17:51:21] | gberardi: | Dagmar: I don't know what happened between the other day and today, but you seem to be acting like this is the first time I've been in here. |
| [17:51:42] | gberardi: | Dagmar: I have JUST narrowed it down to that one card. |
| [17:51:44] | Dagmar: | gberardi: Parton me for not memorizing the sad little problems of everyone who comes in here. |
| [17:51:59] | tank-man: | gberardi, do both those cards work in their support OS ? |
| [17:52:03] | Dagmar: | I'm not mocking you for taking a month to figure it out |
| [17:52:05] | tank-man: | aka windows |
| [17:52:05] | Dagmar: | That's no big deal. |
| [17:52:19] | gberardi: | Dagmar: There is no need to be rude. Did I do something dumb just now to upset you? |
| [17:52:20] | Dagmar: | I'm mocking you to get you to look at the fact that you no longer have a "mystery problem" |
| [17:52:34] | Dagmar: | If this entire time only the one card has been screwing up, it's defective. |
| [17:52:46] | Dagmar: | You don't have to worry or wonder about it any more. |
| [17:52:55] | Dagmar: | So like, kick back, open a soda, and order a new one. |
| [17:53:23] | Dagmar: | You especially don't have to worry about digging further. |
| [17:53:36] | juski: | gberardi: don't take it personally :) |
| [17:53:38] | Dagmar: | This is the _happy_ point in a troubleshooting procedure. |
| [17:53:53] | gardengnome: | Dagmar: it'd be happier if something less expensive failed |
| [17:53:54] | Dagmar: | So be happy. |
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| [17:54:10] | Dagmar: | gardengnome: Time costs unless your time is worthless. |
| [17:54:36] | juski: | one month of my time would buy you 50 PVR150 cards |
| [17:54:42] | Dagmar: | Having recordings die away, tuners kick over and be unavailable, and having to diagnose it should be thought of as an unwanted recurring cost |
| [17:54:58] | gberardi: | Dagmar: Well, I haven't decided that the hardware is defective. It runs between a few minutes and a few nights without problems, then it stops. Maybe it is the hardware being defective, but if it was something else, especially since software solutions would be cheaper, I would like to try to find out. |
| [17:55:09] | Dagmar: | Replacing the card should be thought of as a proactive measure to save money |
| [17:55:21] | tank-man: | gberardi, do both those cards work in their support OS ? aka windows |
| [17:55:35] | gberardi: | tank-man: I don't know since I don't have a Windows machine handy to try. |
| [17:55:47] | Dagmar: | gberardi: This is not the type of error that would occur from a differing tuner chip |
| [17:56:03] | Dagmar: | gberardi: That error would indicate that in a very fundamental way the card is no longer talking to the machine. |
| [17:56:03] | gberardi: | Dagmar: And being new to MythTV in general, I wouldn't know that. |
| [17:56:28] | Dagmar: | The card is no longer giving or recieving data at all. |
| [17:56:32] | tank-man: | not a mythtv error, ivtv error |
| [17:56:40] | tank-man: | or card error |
| [17:56:41] | Dagmar: | It's a little obscured in technical noise in the log, but it's clear enough |
| [17:56:51] | Dagmar: | I don't think this could be an ivtv error |
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| [17:57:28] | Dagmar: | That would require too drastic of a change in operation between cards |
| [17:57:52] | gardengnome: | maybe it's simply overheating? |
| [17:58:00] | Dagmar: | Besides which, two PVR-150's is a bit annoying. He should ditch the broken one, get a PVR-500, and upgrade to three tuners. :) |
| [17:58:12] | gardengnome: | i think one of mine does that, but i haven't reached the happy point of troubleshooting ;) yet |
| [17:58:12] | livingtm: | NTSC is 720x480? |
| [17:58:22] | Dagmar: | Okay yeah if you want a cheap troubleshoot, sticking a $10 PCI cooler in might help |
| [17:58:28] | Dagmar: | ....if it's a thermal problem |
| [17:58:46] | Dagmar: | I have those kind of lying around here, |
| [17:58:51] | gardengnome: | Dagmar: even easier. if you burn your finger when touching the chip it might very well be overheating ;) |
| [17:58:54] | Dagmar: | Seldom are they ever needed |
| [17:59:21] | gberardi: | gardengnome: I don't know if it is. I do have a fan that takes up a PCI slot, but maybe it isn't helping. |
| [17:59:59] | Dagmar: | I was wondering about it so a few weeks ago I borrowed a piece of equipment from work. |
| [18:00:14] | Dagmar: | A nice IR thermal scanner. |
| [18:00:38] | Dagmar: | Point it, pull the trigger carefully avoiding saying "pewpewpew" and the digital display tells you how hot the target is |
| [18:00:42] | Dagmar: | :) |
| [18:00:46] | Dagmar: | Very handy |
| [18:00:54] | gberardi: | Well, this weekend I'll see if I can get the same problem to occur when only one card is in at a time. |
| [18:00:59] | Dagmar: | Good idea |
| [18:01:18] | gberardi: | And if it does happen with the one card, I'll have a strong indication that it is a hardware problem. |
| [18:01:22] | gberardi: | And I'll replace it. |
| [18:01:29] | Dagmar: | You know how to go about selecting the window of observation, right? |
| [18:01:50] | Dagmar: | Look through the logs, make a note of the times between failures, average them, multiply by two. |
| [18:02:03] | livingtm: | I set the resolution to 720x480 and bitrate to 4000 and the image quality is good, but the framerate seems low |
| [18:02:10] | livingtm: | (pvr150) |
| [18:02:30] | tank-man: | slow pc? |
| [18:02:34] | livingtm: | nooooo |
| [18:02:43] | tank-man: | slow harddrive? |
| [18:02:43] | gberardi: | Dagmar: Thanks, Dagmar |
| [18:02:49] | Dagmar: | If you wanted to get really complex, you could work the numbers based on a particular percentile chance of occurrence, but multiplying by two is not an unuseful figure |
| [18:02:59] | livingtm: | tank-man, 7200 rpm 500gb seagate, about a week old |
| [18:03:30] | Dagmar: | livingtm: So, the thing isn't going to drop frames on playback from a slow data source. |
| [18:03:41] | livingtm: | Dagmar, right.. |
| [18:03:42] | Dagmar: | It would *stop playing* when it ran out of data until it got some |
| [18:03:49] | livingtm: | no its not like that |
| [18:03:55] | Dagmar: | `file` will usually tell you the frame rate, and if not, mencoder will |
| [18:04:03] | livingtm: | it just looks like the framerate is a bit slow.. |
| [18:04:14] | livingtm: | file? |
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| [18:04:21] | Dagmar: | Yes. The GNU file utility |
| [18:04:36] | livingtm: | run that against the livetv recording file? |
| [18:05:28] | livingtm: | :/home/media/recordings$ file 1010_20070215110000.mpg |
| [18:05:28] | livingtm: | 1010_20070215110000.mpg: MPEG sequence, v2, program multiplex |
| [18:05:40] | Dagmar: | Okay, so use mencoder |
| [18:05:52] | livingtm: | i thought it records in .nuv? |
| [18:05:59] | livingtm: | my other box records to nuv |
| [18:06:31] | Dagmar: | erk sorry mplayer |
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| [18:06:39] | Dagmar: | The pvr cards just record in mpeg |
| [18:06:51] | livingtm: | ok |
| [18:06:52] | Dagmar: | mplayer -identify filename.mpg |
| [18:06:59] | Dagmar: | hit ^c shortly thereafter |
| [18:07:01] | GreyFoxx: | livingtm: .nuv is for framegrabbers, or transcoding stuff using the internal myth transcoding |
| [18:07:08] | Dagmar: | ID_VIDEO_FPS=29.970 pops out |
| [18:07:46] | livingtm: | 29.9 fps? |
| [18:07:53] | Dagmar: | There's other options to make it just exit without trying to play the file, but i'm not looking them up right now |
| [18:07:59] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [18:08:36] | Dagmar: | If you wanted to be crazy about it you could pull one into Cinellerra and manually search for duplicated frames, but that's nearly impossible |
| [18:08:51] | Dagmar: | It's more likely your output just isn't working like you expect |
| [18:09:14] | Dagmar: | ..and a hell of a lot easier to troubleshoot that |
| [18:10:16] | Dagmar: | Very screwed up video cards and/or improper drivers *could* cause the video to stutter, but the more likely cause if you're CPU-bound is just that the player can't keep up. |
| [18:10:45] | livingtm: | cpu is at 455 |
| [18:10:47] | livingtm: | 45% |
| [18:10:49] | Dagmar: | ...and this you can check for by looking to see if say, there's another job with higher priority than the player running. |
| [18:11:15] | Dagmar: | It could also be that you've actually got some deinterlacing fun going on |
| [18:11:45] | livingtm: | deinterlacing is on with linear |
| [18:11:55] | Dagmar: | ...and your output is what? |
| [18:12:38] | Dagmar: | If it's a CRT TV, and you're deinterlacing, that's your problem. |
| [18:12:59] | livingtm: | ok |
| [18:13:03] | livingtm: | let me try |
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| [18:13:32] | Dagmar: | nVidia's driver does an excellent job of dealing with it in all cases if you just enable the flickerfree filter for the s-video output |
| [18:13:40] | Dagmar: | Doesn't work on the other outputs, just s-video, but it does work well. |
| [18:14:18] | Dagmar: | The effect, when it's screwed up, is definitely noticeable |
| [18:14:39] | gardengnome: | won't the flicker filter just make the picture unsharp? |
| [18:14:46] | Dagmar: | s/it's/deinterlacing/; |
| [18:14:49] | Majost_WRK: | has anyone been able to install the current nvidia driver? |
| [18:15:01] | Dagmar: | gardengnome: it makes it look sharper to my eyes |
| [18:15:42] | Dagmar: | gardengnome: When I have to run nvidia-settings, my fonts are a bit cockeyed, so the tiny little letters in the interface are notably blurry until I hit about 128 in the range it accepts. Then they snap right into focus. |
| [18:15:53] | gardengnome: | Dagmar: i was told to avoid the flicker filter at all costs because it would make the picture blurry. indeed, it looked better after turning it off completely. but i guess everyone has got their secret ecipe for perfect tv-out |
| [18:15:56] | livingtm: | okay deinterlace is off.. it still loks a little sluggish |
| [18:16:38] | Dagmar: | gardengnome: It depends on the media being played, afaik. Interlaced video shouldn't need to be deinterlaced to display on an interlaced device tho |
| [18:17:36] | gardengnome: | Dagmar: i had to deinterlace when i used my nvidia's tv-out. but then, i was running it at 800x600. now iä#m just using a homebrew RGB cable and a PAL modeline, there's no need for deinterlacing anymore :) |
| [18:17:43] | Dagmar: | Reshuffling those lines more than once is something I can't see having a good outcome |
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| [18:18:07] | Dagmar: | gardengnome: I'm running mine at 1024x768 |
| [18:18:14] | Dagmar: | Of the three cards i |
| [18:18:19] | livingtm: | flickerfilter is set at abou 1/3 |
| [18:18:31] | Dagmar: | Of the three cards i've tested, that's given the clearest, brightest image in all cases |
| [18:18:41] | gardengnome: | Dagmar: that's odd. i'd expect the fields to get messed up in the process of scaling (Xv/tv-out encoder). |
| [18:18:44] | Dagmar: | Actually, five cards now. |
| [18:18:45] | livingtm: | it seems like its giving me about every other frame.. its just not smooth |
| [18:19:06] | gardengnome: | Dagmar: i went to three to four cards as well. quite annoying ;) |
| [18:19:09] | Dagmar: | livingtm: Try 0/TVFlickerFilter[TV-0]=127 |
| [18:20:20] | livingtm: | I doubt its the flicker filter |
| [18:20:36] | livingtm: | because when i was pointing the front end at my other server wiht anothe rcard on it, there was no problem |
| [18:23:55] | Dagmar: | Hrmm... we need "reference videos" |
| [18:28:00] | Dagmar: | gardengnome: Considering that if you're letting the nvidia driver make the decision about both interlacing and scaling, and it's definitely aware of what the TV will display, I tend to think this gives it the best chance of making correct decisions |
| [18:28:01] | livingtm: | Dagmar, I just ran "cat /dev/video > /tmp/test.avi" and it plays back great |
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| [18:28:35] | Dagmar: | livingtm: Plays back great _in what_ tho? |
| [18:28:39] | livingtm: | mplayer |
| [18:28:42] | livingtm: | fullscreen |
| [18:29:02] | Dagmar: | Okay, so this pretty much exonerates your tuner, now doesn't it? |
| [18:29:21] | Dagmar: | Unless, of course, you haven't bothered to check that you didn't turn the LiveTV recording profile into something silly |
| [18:29:55] | Dagmar: | For live TV you should probably aim to match the resolution of your output with as simple a rescaling involved as possible |
| [18:29:57] | livingtm: | i had been working wih the liveTv settingsbut i will indeed double checkthem |
| [18:30:15] | Zider: | is it really an .avi tho? whouldn't it be piped to test.mpg or something? |
| [18:30:32] | livingtm: | Zider, yeah prolly, but it works |
| [18:30:47] | Dagmar: | Like, my "High Quality" recording profile that I will eventually transcode, is set to 720x480, but my LiveTV profile is set to 640x480 because the jump to the 1024x768 of my output is just a 2x scaling operation |
| [18:31:10] | Zider: | livingtm: it'd probably work with .txt too.. ;) |
| [18:31:21] | livingtm: | nod |
| [18:31:47] | Dagmar: | I want the stuff I'm watching to be crisp for sure, so I use the same encoding bitrates with LiveTV as I do High Quality |
| [18:32:20] | Dagmar: | Tonight if I'm lucky I might actually manage to add something to nuvexport to solve another thing I don't care for. |
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| [18:33:02] | livingtm: | imy video card is set to 800x600 (in xorg,conf) |
| [18:33:11] | Dagmar: | I'm not burning anything to DVD, so I don't need 48000 sample rates, but nuvexport makes everything resample to 48000, and I think I can hack something in to make it possible to avoid resampling or reencoding audio entirely |
| [18:33:39] | Dagmar: | livingtm: That's still the same aspect as your source recording, right? |
| [18:33:46] | livingtm: | no |
| [18:33:59] | livingtm: | 720 x 480 is 1.5, 800 x600 is 1.3 |
| [18:34:02] | Dagmar: | Aspect as in ratio of width to heigth |
| [18:34:09] | Dagmar: | Ah |
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| [18:34:22] | Dagmar: | So switch liveTV to 640x480 and see if that helps |
| [18:34:49] | Dagmar: | It definitely would eliminate the need for even a hint of comb filtering |
| [18:35:24] | Dagmar: | I'm figuring nVidia is smart enough to not have the rescaling using just one, rather generic scaling algorithm |
| [18:35:34] | livingtm: | still looks wierd |
| [18:35:39] | Dagmar: | Bummer |
| [18:35:42] | livingtm: | its a slight wierdness.. |
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| [18:44:03] | Cyberai: | Does anyone have any experience with the appearance setting for running the gui and video in different resolutions? I'm trying to use it and it's causing myth to be slow and crash. |
| [18:45:07] | Cyberai: | shodan-, have you tried turning off de-interlacing altogether/ |
| [18:45:09] | Cyberai: | ? |
| [18:45:27] | shodan-: | Cyberai, no I'll try |
| [18:46:15] | Cyberai: | I have no scientific basis for my theory, but my gut says that somehow your double de-interlacing |
| [18:46:59] | shodan-: | nah, looks even worse |
| [18:47:10] | Cyberai: | shodan-, does it stutteR? |
| [18:47:19] | shodan-: | no |
| [18:49:35] | Cyberai: | shodan, your bit rate also makes me queasy. You should be using increments of 8. So 128, 256 etc. |
| [18:49:45] | Cyberai: | was that a typo? |
| [18:49:58] | shodan-: | bitrate can only be set in 100kbps increments in mythtv |
| [18:52:32] | Cyberai: | k |
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| [18:54:15] | Cyberai: | shodan-, have you tried -> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configur . . . scoding_HDTV |
| [18:56:23] | shodan-: | (just read that) doesn't really apply, my signal is standard interlaced ntsc |
| [18:56:38] | Cyberai: | so it's not HDTV coming in? |
| [18:57:56] | shodan-: | nope |
| [18:58:03] | shodan-: | ntsc over dvb |
| [18:58:08] | Cyberai: | oh |
| [18:59:17] | Cyberai: | shodan-, have you tried just using the built in "auto" transcoding setting? It should guess the best settings for you and transcode it. |
| [19:01:16] | shodan-: | well the only difference between default trancoding options and the settings I'm using it that I upped from 2200 to 2500kbps and I enabled 4MV+HQ |
| [19:02:11] | shodan-: | I'll try enabling iDCT and IME, but the help text says they are experimental and can damage the video ... |
| [19:02:32] | gardengnome: | they might be completely broken even. |
| [19:04:36] | shodan-: | k, so this is a real warning, I thought those warnings were there even back in mythtv-0.15 too ! |
| [19:05:07] | Cyberai: | My advice would be to not bother with the 2500kbs, with a regular NTSC cable tv non-HD transmission there really isn't that much data. |
| [19:05:19] | shodan-: | : the user manual page on transcoding is real thin on details |
| [19:05:48] | shodan-: | Cyberai, I'm using 2500kbps because I tried 1800kbps HQ+4MV+iDCT+IME and it looked like crap , -real- blocky |
| [19:06:03] | shodan-: | but it could have been just the iDCT+IME acting up then .... |
| [19:06:20] | Cyberai: | shodan-, I think your wasting your time, no offense. If you record standard US NTSC cable with the built in high quality setting you should get nice quality. I do it on my box. |
| [19:06:24] | ctjctj: | MythSocket(937b10:-1): writeStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket. Is the error message showing up in my mythbackend.log, Any idea why? |
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| [19:06:42] | Cyberai: | now often ctjctj ? |
| [19:07:20] | ctjctj: | Lots. The number inside the parens changes, but I don't see a corralation to any other log message. |
| [19:08:14] | ctjctj: | Seems to be groups of five. |
| [19:08:40] | Cyberai: | shodan-, it looked blocky because you're adding pixels with the math that pumps up the video with the HQ setting. Think if it like enlarging a 72dpi image in photoshop. You're just going to get bigger dots, not more dots with finer quality. |
| [19:08:52] | livingtm: | i just attempted to import my first dvd.. it ripped ok to the tmp folder, but the transcode failed "Error: could not start transcode" |
| [19:08:52] | Cyberai: | ctjctj, my guess would be it's a mysql error. I would look into your mysql logs for more info. |
| [19:09:04] | ctjctj: | Cyberai, thanks, looking there next. |
| [19:09:13] | livingtm: | ah, apt-get install transcode |
| [19:09:14] | livingtm: | :-) |
| [19:09:19] | shodan-: | Cyberai, ah ok , then I'll try without HQ |
| [19:09:20] | livingtm: | mtd was runing |
| [19:09:32] | Cyberai: | livingtm, are you on ubuntu? |
| [19:09:37] | livingtm: | yes |
| [19:09:52] | livingtm: | its great that the mythtv packages in ubuntu dont depend on Mysql or transcode |
| [19:09:53] | Cyberai: | livingtm, is this a standalone box or is it a box you use for other things? |
| [19:09:56] | livingtm: | standalone |
| [19:10:37] | Cyberai: | I would advise switching to a fedora based distro. There is a problem with the mtd daemon on newer ubuntu distros and the new myth isn't available on the old distros |
| [19:11:02] | Cyberai: | livingtm, try mythdora, it usually works right out of the box. |
| [19:11:11] | livingtm: | mythdora ofer knoppmyth/ |
| [19:11:12] | livingtm: | ? |
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| [19:11:36] | Cyberai: | I actually prefer it over knoppmyth, mythdora does a better job of setting up hardware correctly and supports more remotes and configurations |
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| [19:12:52] | livingtm: | ill keep that in mind fo rmy next box |
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| [19:13:52] | stuarta: | hi ho.. |
| [19:14:43] | ctjctj: | Cyberai, is mythdora protocol version 30 or 31? |
| [19:14:48] | juski: | looks like I already know what I'm doing tonight.. my winblows box is riddled again. outgoing tcp connections to some russian ip address :( |
| [19:15:09] | GreyFoxx: | juski: Doh |
| [19:15:13] | stuarta: | oops |
| [19:15:28] | juski: | I think it's time to go back to linux, but dual boot so I can still do useful stuff |
| [19:16:08] | GreyFoxx: | My wife's machine had asimilar issue over xmas. However thanks to acronis it took 5 minutes to restore the backend I had made when I last built the machine :) |
| [19:16:08] | juski: | and it's not just some random dsfhjgfds.exe connecting to that ip either – bloody winlogon.exe |
| [19:16:16] | GreyFoxx: | restore the backUP |
| [19:16:35] | livingtm: | juski, vmware? |
| [19:16:51] | juski: | vmware? the box is slow enough as it is :) |
| [19:16:55] | livingtm: | ah |
| [19:17:05] | livingtm: | i find vmware to be usably fast for what i do |
| [19:17:22] | livingtm: | with the vmware tools installed |
| [19:17:46] | juski: | this is the 2nd AV prog that's proven itself to be totally fucking useless |
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| [19:18:44] | immolo: | you not use avg? |
| [19:18:56] | juski: | I do as a matter of fact |
| [19:19:13] | immolo: | I've never had issues with myself |
| [19:19:36] | Cyberai: | ctjctj, please define what you mean by "protocol"? |
| [19:19:37] | juski: | it's been slow as hell to connect to the net, so I opened up tcpview & did a whois lookup on some IP addresses |
| [19:19:42] | shodan-: | avast is a great AV |
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| [19:20:04] | shodan-: | also the name is piracy-related so you know it's good ;) |
| [19:20:37] | ctjctj: | Cyberai, backend protocol. 0.20 head is protocol version 32. 0.20-fixes is protocol version 31 and 0.20 is protocol version 30 |
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| [19:20:57] | ** stuarta wonders wtf shodan- is talking about ** | |
| [19:21:48] | shodan-: | http://avast.com/ |
| [19:21:55] | juski: | such a shame OSS video / audio / photo editing tools are so lame or I'd be all linuxed up already |
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| [19:22:15] | immolo: | juski- avidemix2 :o |
| [19:22:21] | immolo: | err |
| [19:22:26] | immolo: | avidemux2 |
| [19:22:31] | ** juski laughs ** | |
| [19:22:49] | juski: | avidemux does titling, chromakeying, multiple track video editing does it? |
| [19:23:11] | immolo: | I'll just say yes but I have no idea |
| [19:23:19] | immolo: | it does what I need :P |
| [19:23:44] | jams: | at least thats honest |
| [19:23:48] | juski: | well, it doesn't. and even if it did, it'd be some yucky commandline thing. cinelerra is the nearest to my needs but it crashes too much |
| [19:24:14] | Cyberai: | ctjctj, I can't tell from the home page (http://g-ding.tv) and I'm not in front of mine right now. But since it's fedora based you can easily just add the current mythtv .20 repo to it's yum repo list and then install mythtv-fixes after install. My gut guess is that it's protocol 30 because they are so fanatical about keeping it current. |
| [19:24:24] | juski: | hell if there was a program I could *buy* for linux I'd use that |
| [19:24:45] | GreyFoxx: | Yeah |
| [19:24:45] | immolo: | juski- I would just wine it, most multimedia stuff works well for it |
| [19:24:47] | ctjctj: | GReat, and it is a live DVD? |
| [19:24:55] | Cyberai: | ctjctj, yes |
| [19:25:02] | juski: | sony vegas is based on .net so won't work in wine |
| [19:25:21] | immolo: | mono support |
| [19:25:32] | shodan-: | what is multiple track video editing for ? you never see multitrack video files in the wild !? is it just to make transitions easier to do ? |
| [19:25:55] | juski: | cybercrap dvd crapper prolly works in wine, or cybercrap fisher-price vid-edit would too I expect |
| [19:26:12] | juski: | shodan-: compositing, and cool stuff like that |
| [19:26:27] | jams: | GreyFoxx- is you intel xorg.conf tv-out file available for viewing? |
| [19:26:31] | shodan-: | k |
| [19:26:34] | Cyberai: | juski, I use iMovie HD on a neighbors mac and it works like gangbusters |
| [19:26:49] | Cyberai: | If I had the $$ I'd buy a mac just for that |
| [19:26:51] | immolo: | well I can't think of a quick fix other then a win98lite running in vmware |
| [19:26:55] | ctjctj: | Cyberai, thanks for the pointers. I'm downloading that iso right now. Maybe it will work for "diskless" mythbox. |
| [19:27:03] | juski: | I can't afford anything with a lower-case 'i' in its name right now |
| [19:27:09] | Cyberai: | ctjctj, diskless? |
| [19:27:13] | shodan-: | I guess cinerella will stop sucking (and being ugly) at some point ... ;) |
| [19:27:41] | juski: | the nice thing I found about vegas was that I didn't need to RTFM |
| [19:27:50] | juski: | it's that easy to use |
| [19:28:18] | ctjctj: | Sort of. I am not in a position to install linux on the living room box right now. So I treat it as a diskless box for using mythfrontend. The goal being to let wife boot dvd/cd and watch recorded programs. |
| [19:28:21] | daviey: | Is mythvideo not very good at playing .mkv files?? |
| [19:28:27] | juski: | cinelerra is like "ummm .... stroke chin, rtfm, stroke chin, crash.. rtfm..." |
| [19:28:43] | juski: | this matroska thing isn't gonna go away is it? |
| [19:28:50] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [19:28:54] | kslater: | juski is using cinelerra? |
| [19:29:31] | juski: | kslater: I'm not, on account of it not being usable on my box for reasons I don't have time or the inclination to investigate |
| [19:29:48] | daviey: | juski, what mkv thing?? |
| [19:29:54] | immolo: | ctjctj- diskless isn't that hard to pull off in linux but I only know how to do well with Gentoo |
| [19:30:00] | kslater: | yea, want to build a machine for my wife to use that one. Dedicated box though. |
| [19:30:15] | AlienX: | what permissions do I have to have on the mythweb directory to avoid getting the error: "data directory is not writable by www-data. Please check permissions." |
| [19:30:16] | juski: | daviey: that's what matroska files are ... .mkv |
| [19:30:32] | juski: | AlienX: make the owner of the dir www-data |
| [19:30:47] | ctjctj: | immolo, I've used knoppmyth and it worked once for me and then sound stopped working so I'm going to try something else. |
| [19:30:48] | AlienX: | juski, thank you. |
| [19:30:57] | juski: | AlienX: man chgrp |
| [19:31:07] | daviey: | juski, i know that; but what is the issue that "won't go away"? |
| [19:31:15] | AlienX: | juski, i know how to use chgrp and chown :) |
| [19:31:30] | juski: | seen a lot of people asking about matroska w.r.t. mythtv lately, is all |
| [19:31:45] | daviey: | oic |
| [19:31:58] | GreyFoxx: | I've never had a matroska file to even try |
| [19:32:00] | juski: | must be the container du jour |
| [19:32:12] | juski: | like ubunut is the distro du jour... |
| [19:32:14] | daviey: | maybe i'll try vlc or mplayer |
| [19:32:35] | Cyberai: | hey all – I just installed the quicktime libs so I can view HD movie trailers from Apple's Website. But with some I have a problem with video/audio sync. The video lags behind the audio. Do i just need a faster CPU? |
| [19:32:51] | Cyberai: | weird thing is I cna play an HD wmv file with no probs |
| [19:32:58] | daviey: | it's the dish of the day, as thats how HDTV is being packaged |
| [19:33:42] | GreyFoxx: | HDTV is certainly not in matroska format :) |
| [19:33:46] | kormoc: | Cyberai, only way to know is to check your cpu usage while playing |
| [19:33:47] | Cyberai: | h.264 is CRAAAAAAAAP |
| [19:33:51] | GreyFoxx: | Maybe someones rippped/transcoded HD |
| [19:33:54] | gardengnome: | Cyberai: why? |
| [19:33:56] | moh: | Is there a good tutorial on how to transcode and burn shows to VCD or DVD? |
| [19:34:01] | daviey: | GreyFoxx, i didn't say it was |
| [19:34:15] | gardengnome: | moh: take a look at nuvexport and mytharchive |
| [19:34:22] | GreyFoxx: | then I must have misunderstood what you said :) |
| [19:34:27] | moh: | gardengnome: thanks. |
| [19:34:28] | kslater: | moh – use mytharchive from the menus? |
| [19:34:29] | Cyberai: | gardengnome, I can't give you the details, but a buddy of mine is a pro video editing guy and he is pissed about it. He says the other new codecs smoke it. |
| [19:34:35] | juski: | sounds a smidgeon illegal to me either way, if it's HDTV files folks have purloined & transcoded |
| [19:34:36] | daviey: | ;) i was trying to avoid a conversation about torrents |
| [19:34:39] | moh: | I just didn't know what I was looking for. |
| [19:34:54] | Cyberai: | kormoc, thansk |
| [19:35:04] | AlienX: | and juski thanks again for the help, much better :) |
| [19:35:04] | GreyFoxx: | daviey: even that I never seen in mkv format, but a topic for other locations I guess :) |
| [19:35:18] | GreyFoxx: | eventually I'll get my hands on a mkv to try out |
| [19:35:28] | juski: | AlienX: the included readme & install text docs tell you that anyway |
| [19:35:53] | ** GreyFoxx reboots his desktop to try another kernel ** | |
| [19:35:54] | kormoc: | Cyberai, meh, every codec gets smoked in the future. h.264 is around now and is playable by a lot of computers/hardware. that's why it's nice. Sure, new stuff may be better, but it's not in the hands of the customers yet |
| [19:35:55] | Cyberai: | GreyFoxx, have your searched gtk-gnutella for a mkv file? |
| [19:36:02] | juski: | .. if the packages include the files anyway |
| [19:36:27] | juski: | matroska isn't new – far from it |
| [19:36:47] | juski: | but if it's emerging as a common format of illegal movie downloads I can see it catching on very fast ;) |
| [19:37:06] | AlienX: | juski, i used the ubuntu packages and the docs are terrible that come with it |
| [19:37:11] | kormoc: | juski, it's been the common format for cartoons for years |
| [19:38:01] | juski: | AlienX: well, ubunut is a community-led project, so next free sec you have you could contribute by correcting the stuff to the docs |
| [19:38:21] | clever`: | some of the anime i have is in mkv and the other dual aud files are ogm |
| [19:38:30] | AlienX: | juski, i'll more than likely do that (as I have in the past for many other packages) once i have a better understanding of mythtv |
| [19:38:35] | daviey: | matroska announced dec 7th 2002 |
| [19:38:35] | clever`: | mostly i just have avi mkv ogm and now nuv |
| [19:38:52] | juski: | kormoc: I'm aware of that, but outside of fan-anime I'd never heard of it being used |
| [19:39:12] | kormoc: | juski, heh, that's cause it largely sucks for non-cartoon stuff :) |
| [19:39:47] | clever`: | i dont handle many non-cartoon video files but mythtv uses up insane ammounts of data |
| [19:39:50] | clever`: | sometimes 5gig for 30–60mins |
| [19:39:51] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | hehe... I love Myth & MythStreamTV... I'm streaming the Nascar race for a couple of co-workers... they're blown away... ;-) |
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| [19:40:09] | daviey: | wikipedia says it's similar to quicktime |
| [19:40:20] | ** gardengnome did't know it was hard to impress NASCAR fans ** | |
| [19:40:40] | clever`: | and you can give them there own instant replay |
| [19:40:40] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | clever: Lower the bit rate and/or resolution... chances are you won't see it much on cartoons anyways. |
| [19:41:04] | clever`: | i dont see any bit rate options in the recording profiles |
| [19:41:13] | clever`: | just red and rjpg quality and mp3 quality |
| [19:42:10] | kormoc: | why are you using rtjpeg? |
| [19:42:19] | kormoc: | no wonder it's so ungoldy huge |
| [19:42:20] | clever`: | because it was the default |
| [19:42:45] | kormoc: | switch to mpeg-4 and you'll see it's a lot smaller |
| [19:42:47] | clever`: | could be the default from 0.18 carried over when i upgraded |
| [19:42:50] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | clever: Yeah, what kormoc said... (Sorry, I've got hardware encoders...) |
| [19:43:01] | clever`: | i will when i reopen the frontend |
| [19:43:07] | kormoc: | ftjpeg is designed to trade hard drive space for low cpu usage |
| [19:43:34] | clever`: | its such a massive ammount of data/sec that my harddrive can bearly handle it |
| [19:43:47] | clever`: | hard to play and record at once |
| [19:43:57] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [19:44:00] | GreyFoxx: | clever: Just how ancient is your harddrive ? |
| [19:44:01] | kormoc: | your hardware is really slow then |
| [19:44:05] | clever`: | and imposible to stream even over 100mbit with a front/back end |
| [19:44:11] | kormoc: | 5 gigs a hour is only 1.5 mbit per second |
| [19:44:12] | hads: | ? |
| [19:44:14] | clever`: | i think it was 20mb/sec last i checked |
| [19:44:28] | clever`: | brand new 80gig harddrive |
| [19:44:29] | GreyFoxx: | so, 15 times the speed required |
| [19:44:38] | GreyFoxx: | you have some other issues |
| [19:44:46] | GreyFoxx: | what kind of cpu ? |
| [19:44:47] | clever`: | and yet the video still has alot of prebuffering pauses every now and then |
| [19:44:53] | clever`: | 1.6ghz p4 |
| [19:44:55] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | GreyFoxx: hehe... let's not get Personal here... ;-) |
| [19:44:58] | kormoc: | even if it's 10 gigs a hour, you're still at least 5x as fast on the drive as you should be |
| [19:45:08] | GreyFoxx: | what kind of capturecard ? |
| [19:45:14] | clever`: | framer grabber |
| [19:45:15] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, he's using a bttv |
| [19:45:17] | clever`: | bt848 |
| [19:45:23] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | yuck |
| [19:45:27] | clever`: | i know |
| [19:45:37] | kormoc: | still plenty fast |
| [19:45:41] | GreyFoxx: | ok, so it's a little light on CPU, but your disk should not be an issue, is DMA on ? |
| [19:45:43] | GreyFoxx: | IDE ? |
| [19:45:49] | clever`: | ide |
| [19:45:54] | clever`: | how do i check dma? |
| [19:45:59] | kormoc: | clever, what distro? |
| [19:46:04] | clever`: | ubuntu 6.06 |
| [19:46:17] | GreyFoxx: | hdparm /dev/hda |
| [19:46:27] | GreyFoxx: | it should tell you if dma is on or off (assuming the drive is hda) |
| [19:46:50] | clever`: | using_dma = 1 (on) |
| [19:47:06] | GreyFoxx: | ok, so you likely don't have any hd problems |
| [19:47:19] | clever`: | when i save a file in vim |
| [19:47:25] | clever`: | it often takes 30 seconds for :w to finish |
| [19:47:35] | clever`: | yet its instant on the 133mhz desktop with 64mb ram |
| [19:47:38] | hads: | Ug |
| [19:47:50] | GreyFoxx: | ok, well you certainly have hardware issues of some sort then |
| [19:48:12] | clever`: | i just disabled commflagging while recording |
| [19:48:27] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [19:48:27] | clever`: | which ontop of playback uses tripple the bitrate from the hdd |
| [19:48:45] | kormoc: | hardware or just ungodly nasty configured software |
| [19:48:47] | AlienX: | mythtv impresses me more and more every day I become more familiar with it |
| [19:48:59] | clever`: | back on dec 31st |
| [19:49:01] | gardengnome: | s/impresses/scares/ |
| [19:49:06] | clever`: | i shut the pc off and added a stick of ram |
| [19:49:22] | clever`: | when i turned it on the onboard sound yelled at me for having bad ram and cpu settings |
| [19:49:27] | clever`: | bios can speak |
| [19:49:47] | clever`: | so i shut it off took out the ram and tweaked the cpu speed a bit in the bios |
| [19:49:51] | clever`: | maybe added 15mhz |
| [19:49:53] | Cyberai: | lol, did it call you "Beyotch!" ? |
| [19:49:57] | clever`: | booted xp back up |
| [19:50:03] | gardengnome: | rebellion of the machines.. |
| [19:50:05] | clever`: | and it ran oddly slow for several hours |
| [19:50:10] | clever`: | so i told it to reboot |
| [19:50:16] | clever`: | xp never booted since:P |
| [19:50:28] | clever`: | got a new 80gig drive and put ubuntu in the pc |
| [19:50:31] | kormoc: | clever, why don't you boot into the bios, hit the 'reset to default settings' option and see if it's any better? |
| [19:50:47] | clever`: | i did that when i was rebooting xp |
| [19:50:49] | clever`: | to undo the slight overclocking |
| [19:52:09] | clever`: | ive set the low quality transcoder to mpeg4 and am going to transcode a large file to test it |
| [19:52:24] | clever`: | | chanid | starttime | title | subtitle | hostname | autoexpire | commflagged | deletepending | filesize | basename | |
| [19:52:28] | clever`: | | 1045 | 2007-02–12 13:00:02 | The New Detectives | Left at the Scene | theP4 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 5495389267 | 1045_20070212130002.nuv | |
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| [19:54:04] | clever`: | made a tiny script to select all records from the recorded table |
| [19:54:36] | clever`: | when mythtv runs the pc down to 0 bytes the backend crashes and i cant tell it to delete a show |
| [19:54:47] | clever`: | so i have to peek at mysql and manualy delete the nuv |
| [19:55:23] | kormoc: | yes, that's why there's the min free space setting in the backend, to prevent those crashes |
| [19:55:35] | Cyberai: | clever, try ram -rf on /tmp and any other cache areas |
| [19:55:39] | clever`: | and yet its ran down to 0 bytes atleast 4 times on me |
| [19:55:42] | Cyberai: | then just use the frontend to delete em |
| [19:56:00] | gardengnome: | kormoc: i've set that to 2GB or something and it'll still crash – it's probably because the backend is no allowed to delete anything due to individual per-recording settings |
| [19:56:08] | clever`: | ive moved about 100mb out before to free up a bit of space |
| [19:56:18] | clever`: | and then restarted the backend to let me delete the show |
| [19:56:26] | clever`: | hey theres a rule to record |
| [19:56:28] | kormoc: | gardengnome, well, it should just not record if it can't auto-expire anything |
| [19:56:33] | clever`: | lets eat that up before i have a chance to delete anything |
| [19:56:38] | clever`: | :P |
| [19:56:55] | clever`: | it could maybe stop all recording if it for example gets under 500mb free |
| [19:57:14] | clever`: | since the auto expire at 3gig isnt taking effect by then |
| [19:57:34] | gardengnome: | kormoc: true. well, i'm not going to investigate because the box will be rebuilt anyways. it's fubar ;) |
| [19:58:47] | clever`: | http://clever.mine.nu:81/cacti |
| [19:58:50] | clever`: | name/pw guest/guest |
| [19:58:55] | clever`: | look at the localhost load avg |
| [20:02:32] | clever`: | see the large gap from 2:30 to 4:30? |
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| [20:05:10] | clever`: | backend his 0 bytes and caused the entire mysql to freeze up for 2 hours |
| [20:05:29] | juski: | time for a bigger HDD methinks |
| [20:05:30] | clever`: | then when i fixed it a ton of things all came to life at once causing massive loads |
| [20:05:39] | kormoc: | imagine that |
| [20:05:41] | clever`: | on multiple pc's |
| [20:05:54] | clever`: | i had many cronjobs backed up on blocking mysql calls |
| [20:05:56] | juski: | my / partition filled up once & it caused no end of database corruption |
| [20:06:02] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | clever: I think you should run a seperate HDD for your OS & database than your video storage... |
| [20:06:15] | clever`: | i only have 1 drive in that box rihg tnow |
| [20:06:28] | gardengnome: | J-e-f-f-A|work: or separate partitions ;) |
| [20:06:29] | clever`: | im working on clearing the old 60 and 80gigs out |
| [20:06:35] | kormoc: | and solutions like LVM are no good at all eh? |
| [20:06:48] | gardengnome: | your issues with vim taking ages to save a file might stem from a severely fragmented file system |
| [20:06:55] | clever`: | i resized the ntfs on the 80 and put in xfs to convert it to linux |
| [20:07:00] | juski: | don't mean to cause offense here but if you go about mythtv a half-assed way you can't really expect it to work reliably ;) |
| [20:07:07] | clever`: | and now the entire partition table appears corupt to my ntfs resizer |
| [20:07:12] | clever`: | and xfs cant be resized |
| [20:07:24] | kormoc: | juski, judging by all his setup, it's all half-assed :P |
| [20:07:31] | clever`: | :P |
| [20:08:11] | kormoc: | "The procedure in this section explains how to grow an XFS filesystem onto another disk" |
| [20:08:20] | kormoc: | of course you can resize xfs... |
| [20:08:32] | hads: | You can grow, not shrink |
| [20:08:41] | kormoc: | indeed |
| [20:08:51] | juski: | xfsagra ftw! |
| [20:09:02] | stuarta: | who wants to go backwards.... |
| [20:09:22] | clever`: | i need to resize the ntfs before i have room for xfs to grow |
| [20:09:32] | kormoc: | full speed ahead and damn the torpedos! |
| [20:09:36] | clever`: | and the partition magic floppys claim the partition table is damaged now that i used gparted |
| [20:10:04] | kormoc: | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/nfs-drive |
| [20:10:13] | clever`: | ntfs:P |
| [20:10:14] | juski: | could be worse – unlike some users I've seen you're not blaming mythtv for any of this mess |
| [20:10:20] | clever`: | and i dont want to just delete it |
| [20:10:34] | clever`: | i dont have room to move all its data out so i move xgig then resize to use that up |
| [20:10:40] | clever`: | then i move that x gig into the xfs |
| [20:10:46] | clever`: | then repeat |
| [20:11:08] | juski: | with HDDs being as cheap as they are I don't see any reason for all the messing around |
| [20:11:15] | clever`: | i make 0$/month |
| [20:11:32] | juski: | sperm banks are always recruiting |
| [20:11:33] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | You have an allowance, right? ;-) |
| [20:11:35] | clever`: | and im running 3 websites an ircnetwork and several other things |
| [20:11:41] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | juski: rotfl! |
| [20:11:47] | clever`: | dad isnt home right now:P |
| [20:11:51] | clever`: | allmost a week home alone |
| [20:12:05] | clever`: | and the windows are starting to disapear under the snow |
| [20:12:18] | juski: | great – no need to rush to the bank ;) |
| [20:12:43] | gardengnome: | make sure to drink his booze |
| [20:12:48] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | clever`: maybe if you did the shoveling dad would 'compensate' you?!? |
| [20:12:50] | clever`: | he said he counted the beer |
| [20:13:04] | clever`: | and to not have any strangers over enless there female |
| [20:13:08] | juski: | be aware though – you need to make a deposit at one bank before making a withdrawal.. you couldn't just turn up at the computer store & ... |
| [20:13:16] | juski: | hem |
| [20:13:16] | gardengnome: | the first thing my dad would ask me after returning from a vacation was wether there was beer left or not ;) |
| [20:13:21] | clever`: | says its the only way he will get me married off |
| [20:13:46] | clever`: | i know where the beer is |
| [20:13:49] | clever`: | and im old enough to buy it myself:P |
| [20:13:55] | clever`: | and ive never had any |
| [20:13:58] | juski: | oh goody. my backup dvdr isn't readable :( |
| [20:14:36] | juski: | I back my linux box up onto a spare HDD, figuring the windblows box isn't worth it |
| [20:14:45] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [20:14:53] | kormoc: | old enough to buy beer.... jobless.... |
| [20:15:08] | clever: | I am 19.905796 years old. (I'll be 20 in 4wks 6days 9hrs 44mins 40secs.) |
| [20:15:33] | ** stuarta detects an attack of sad happening ** | |
| [20:15:36] | kormoc: | at that age, I had a job for 5..905796 years |
| [20:15:46] | clever`: | lol |
| [20:15:47] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | clever: Well, here in Boston MA, US – the drinking age is 21... |
| [20:15:53] | clever`: | its 19 here |
| [20:16:00] | juski: | set up as a paid-for mythtv consultantcy, then come running in here for help :-P |
| [20:16:01] | clever`: | canada |
| [20:16:01] | kormoc: | bloody canadian |
| [20:16:54] | ** gardengnome sings 'blame canada' ** | |
| [20:17:06] | ** stuarta joins in ** | |
| [20:17:07] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [20:17:13] | juski: | hrm spybot s&d didn't find anything either. damn rubbish. godknows wtf this exploit came from |
| [20:17:30] | GreyFoxx: | Blame us for not mirroring the using copyright and dmca crap :) |
| [20:18:05] | juski: | yeah wherever there's an outbreak of common sense in that part of the world, I'd blame Canada too |
| [20:19:33] | kslater: | juski are the links on blootube wide broken? |
| [20:19:51] | kslater: | wanted to show a friend that's got a plasma and considering mythtv |
| [20:20:06] | juski: | is he considering 2GB ram as well? |
| [20:20:17] | kslater: | probably |
| [20:20:21] | juski: | "blootube-wide – a GUI th" |
| [20:20:22] | kslater: | :-) |
| [20:20:23] | juski: | arse |
| [20:21:00] | juski: | if I take my site down it should be wholesale.. not this half-witted attempt... |
| [20:22:15] | juski: | I can't upload the real page, something's hogging too much upstream b/w |
| [20:22:21] | juski: | time to pull the plug |
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| [20:39:06] | livingtm: | when transcoding a DVD< can you transcode in the background and do other things? |
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| [20:52:36] | juski: | this is weird |
| [20:53:01] | juski: | I'm not about to reinstall yet but I'm looking into what this box is sending out to 81.29.241.181 |
| [20:53:37] | stuarta: | show me |
| [20:53:57] | juski: | hang on |
| [20:54:06] | gardengnome: | wireshark o/ |
| [20:54:25] | stuarta: | what ports is it talking to ?!? |
| [20:55:31] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | That IP is in the netherlands. |
| [20:55:34] | juski: | whoah.. random dns queries going on |
| [20:56:04] | stuarta: | probably trying to join a botnet |
| [20:56:19] | juski: | need ethereal to stop showing me the packets to & from my linux box aswell |
| [20:56:37] | stuarta: | well that's easy |
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| [21:03:11] | juski: | oh fuck. now ethereal isn't being allowed to run |
| [21:03:13] | juski: | ! |
| [21:04:38] | gardengnome: | you could route your traffic through your linux box and use ethereal there |
| [21:05:15] | stuarta: | since i doubt juski has an ethernet switch, running the interface promiscuous is enough |
| [21:05:38] | gardengnome: | there are people without ethernet switches? |
| [21:05:40] | juski: | I do have a switch.. more than one |
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| [21:06:15] | juski: | I'll just keep a closer eye out |
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| [21:07:30] | stuarta: | gardengnome: yeah me :( I just use the 4 ports in the ADSL router |
| [21:07:43] | juski: | that ip address is running apache2 on centos apparently |
| [21:07:57] | stuarta: | it's talking to http?? |
| [21:08:11] | juski: | yep |
| [21:08:15] | gardengnome: | stuarta: same here. although i've got an ethernet switch tucked away somewhere, i don't really need it |
| [21:08:24] | juski: | not on port 80 though |
| [21:08:35] | stuarta: | bet you it's trying to download further trojans |
| [21:08:36] | juski: | I need ethereal to stay up long enough for me to grab the port # |
| [21:08:53] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | juski: If you've got another (clean) winblows box and an ide-usb adapter, shut down the infected pc and connect it to the clean pc via USB and scan the hell out of it... |
| [21:09:09] | juski: | I haven't |
| [21:09:16] | juski: | though I could always take the hdd into work :) |
| [21:09:20] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | yuck. |
| [21:09:21] | stuarta: | connect it the linux box :) |
| [21:09:45] | juski: | I know which file is making the outbound connection |
| [21:09:58] | juski: | this is just a little bit of exploration I'm doing here |
| [21:10:05] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | I *used* to use the 'connect as slave ide' approach, but that's not as safe imho – as it has to be in the system wile booting... the usb one doesn't... |
| [21:10:08] | juski: | might give me a clue as to how the hell I got it |
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| [21:10:33] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Did your wife/girlfriend/sister/brother/etc use your pc? |
| [21:10:41] | juski: | yes :( |
| [21:10:45] | clever`: | i found a virus on my dads pc |
| [21:10:49] | clever`: | and when i looked at the create time |
| [21:10:50] | juski: | always does |
| [21:10:53] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ... That's why I bought my wife a Mac! |
| [21:11:01] | clever`: | it matched the data my dad started getting popups and switched to firefox |
| [21:11:08] | juski: | and as we all know there's no frikin use making my wife her own 'account' on winblows |
| [21:11:17] | clever`: | my dad caught a popup causing virus and just changed to firefox and left it there for a year:P |
| [21:11:59] | juski: | I never use IE, it's impossible to even open IE without running it from a shell on here |
| [21:12:08] | clever`: | ol |
| [21:12:22] | juski: | don't use outlook – got avg on here.. thought I'd be relatively safe |
| [21:12:29] | clever`: | i just installed ie7:( |
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| [21:13:45] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | clever`: That was a mistake... ie7 doesn't work with mythweb at my house... |
| [21:14:13] | clever`: | mythweb works in both ie7 and firefox for me |
| [21:14:28] | clever`: | and i didnt have any warning about what i was installing either:P |
| [21:14:34] | clever`: | winblows wanted to upgrade |
| [21:14:35] | clever`: | i hit yet |
| [21:14:45] | clever`: | then i find out it was ie7 |
| [21:14:51] | clever`: | and it insists on rebooting itself(server) |
| [21:14:54] | clever`: | i say no 50 times |
| [21:14:57] | clever`: | i goto sleep |
| [21:15:04] | clever`: | it reboots and kills the services |
| [21:15:08] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | clever': I just get either a blank screen and 'done' in the status bar, or an infinitely -reloading screen... Firefox works great though... |
| [21:15:37] | clever`: | its ` not ' |
| [21:15:38] | clever`: | :P |
| [21:18:21] | clever`: | w00t |
| [21:18:26] | clever`: | 5gig file down to 700mb |
| [21:18:37] | clever`: | transcoding into mpeg4 works great:P |
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| [21:21:42] | juski: | now I'm getting hit from grc.com |
| [21:21:50] | juski: | who's doing a shieldsup test? |
| [21:22:05] | clever`: | has to be some1 from inside your house |
| [21:22:11] | clever`: | they only scan the source ip |
| [21:22:23] | juski: | the plot thickens |
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| [21:22:33] | clever`: | and if you had a linux router you could conntrack or tcpdump that info out of it |
| [21:24:07] | clever`: | J-e-f-f-A|work: where would i change the auto expire settings so files expire after say 5 days? |
| [21:26:10] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | clever`: It doesn't work that way... it only expires when it needs space, or if the max episodes are reached. |
| [21:26:24] | clever`: | ahh |
| [21:26:30] | clever`: | then whats the |
| [21:26:40] | clever`: | 'livetv recordings max age' setting for?:P |
| [21:27:17] | kormoc: | how long till it's auto-expired |
| [21:27:21] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Well, live TV recordings will be expired when they either a) reach that age threshold or b) when the backend needs space for 'scheduled' recordings. |
| [21:27:31] | clever`: | ahhh |
| [21:27:45] | clever`: | so something i scheduled to record wont expire enless its low on space |
| [21:27:55] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | yep. |
| [21:28:04] | stuarta: | no thats not right. |
| [21:28:25] | Gokee2_Dead is now known as Gokee2 | |
| [21:28:26] | stuarta: | something you *have* recorded won't expire unless it's low on space |
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| [21:29:03] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ... Yeah, that's it... and it will only expire if it's set to auto expire too... |
| [21:29:39] | clever`: | i have comm skiping set to notify but i dont see any window notifying me of the comercial |
| [21:30:12] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | clever' : It may not be flagged yet. |
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| [21:30:25] | clever`: | then why does it work fine when i set to actualy skip |
| [21:30:39] | ** stuarta is watching a seriously B grade movie ** | |
| [21:30:55] | gardengnome: | stuarta: they're the best |
| [21:30:59] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | clever`: Humm... I haven't seen that before... good question... ;-) |
| [21:31:23] | clever`: | could be i just dont have my eyes glued to the screen when it notifys me:P |
| [21:31:40] | stuarta: | the description goes like this "fish with big teeth tuck into bikini clad fodder...." |
| [21:31:45] | clever`: | dont know what the notify window looks like so i dont know what i should be looking for |
| [21:31:53] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Maybe... it's only on the screen for the duration of your configured OSD time... |
| [21:31:56] | stuarta: | it's called "Piranha" btw.... |
| [21:32:19] | stuarta: | plus i have braindead as well... :) |
| [21:32:51] | clever`: | osd timeouts are 5 3 and 15 |
| [21:33:06] | clever`: | i'll turn them all to 15 so there imposible to miss:P |
| [21:33:21] | gardengnome: | stuarta: braindead is nice. much better than peter jackson's latest works |
| [21:33:35] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | clever': And you can always hit 'back' (ESC) to get it off-screen... |
| [21:33:45] | clever`: | i know |
| [21:33:59] | stuarta: | gardengnome: i can't remember if that's the one where holes get drilled in peoples heads or not.... |
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| [21:34:14] | juski: | that took a while for it to phone home again |
| [21:34:23] | juski: | port 3449 is what it's connecting to |
| [21:34:24] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ET! |
| [21:34:38] | clever`: | e t phone home |
| [21:34:59] | juski: | it's basically just checking in AFAICT |
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| [21:35:07] | gardengnome: | stuarta: i think you mean its predecessor. bad taste. |
| [21:35:30] | stuarta: | ahhh, that's the one... |
| [21:36:07] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | juski: Probably waiting for your pc to be idle so it can take control without you noticing... |
| [21:36:21] | juski: | well, I'm gonna nuke it |
| [21:36:42] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | "Can I press the button! Can I press the button! Please?!?" |
| [21:36:45] | clever`: | i have 2–3 windows virus's contained on my linux drive |
| [21:36:59] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ah... clever gave it to you! ;-) |
| [21:36:59] | clever`: | mostly collected from friends when i cleaned there pc |
| [21:37:12] | clever`: | i have no idea how to control these ones |
| [21:37:22] | clever`: | so id probly just put the original owner in control of you |
| [21:37:39] | juski: | my wife is SO dead |
| [21:37:44] | clever`: | if he is even online at that ip anymore |
| [21:37:59] | juski: | just updated AVG – lo & behold it found a worm |
| [21:38:06] | clever`: | lol |
| [21:38:10] | juski: | in my wife's temp IE dir |
| [21:38:15] | clever`: | yay |
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| [21:38:39] | clever`: | delete her username |
| [21:38:42] | stuarta: | well there you go.... |
| [21:38:44] | clever`: | claim the virus did it |
| [21:38:57] | clever`: | she might learn after having to redoo all her bookmarks 5 times |
| [21:39:00] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | I fought with a virus on a friend's XP box for hours... It was even there in "safe" mode... None of the scanners could remove it... I found out that the stupid thing had tacked itself on to the registry key that starts explorer... Sneaky little b*** |
| [21:39:09] | juski: | suck that, just gonna ban her |
| [21:39:14] | juski: | she has a laptop |
| [21:39:26] | juski: | "but wah it takes too long to boot up" |
| [21:39:28] | clever`: | one of the viruses i dysected |
| [21:39:39] | clever`: | set .exe files to be opened using virus.exe basicaly |
| [21:39:45] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | juski: there ya go! Or do what I did... buy her a Mac... Keeps her off my PC, and doesn't get the viruses... |
| [21:39:48] | clever`: | so if i run ANY program on the system |
| [21:39:51] | clever`: | i start the virus |
| [21:40:03] | clever`: | even when in safe mode |
| [21:40:03] | juski: | buy her a mac... lol |
| [21:40:13] | juski: | if anyone gets a mac around here it'll be me |
| [21:40:50] | clever`: | 15 17:22:29 < juski> the plot thickens |
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| [21:40:50] | clever`: | 15 17:22:38 < clever`> and if you had a linux router you could conntrack or tcpdump that info out of it |
| [21:40:50] | juski: | time to stop ET phoning home til I get a chance to reinstall it |
| [21:40:59] | ** stuarta admires his mini mac... ** | |
| [21:41:19] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | juski: I haven't had a virus on my M$ box since I kicked her off... ;-) |
| [21:41:41] | juski: | if I wasn't tied to fscking windblows I'd not have a virus either |
| [21:41:50] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | stuarta: are you running a frontend on that? ; -) |
| [21:42:03] | stuarta: | for testing purposes, yes :) |
| [21:42:03] | juski: | I've just stopped this box talking to the internet |
| [21:42:17] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | stuarta: Does it handle HD? |
| [21:42:17] | clever`: | with my cisco switch |
| [21:42:25] | clever`: | i can disable a port or put it on its own vlan |
| [21:42:31] | clever`: | cutting/boxing it up |
| [21:42:35] | juski: | anyone wanna help DDOSing that ip address then? |
| [21:42:38] | stuarta: | J-e-f-f-A|work: struggles with h264 HD |
| [21:42:48] | juski: | how would you kill centos anyway? |
| [21:42:56] | clever`: | juski: i have about 20 boxes under my control from varrying connections |
| [21:43:08] | clever`: | but the users would notice if i popup a ping window to ddos |
| [21:43:18] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | clever`: yeah, but the're all 286's, 386's and 486's !!! ;-) |
| [21:43:28] | clever`: | there of random cpu's |
| [21:43:29] | ** stuarta chuckles ** | |
| [21:43:32] | clever`: | not all are mine |
| [21:43:45] | clever`: | atleast 20 belong to other people |
| [21:44:08] | clever`: | i could bring 20 of them into this channel |
| [21:44:15] | clever`: | but then id probly be banned |
| [21:44:20] | clever`: | posibly from all of freenode:P |
| [21:44:32] | clever`: | 30 online now:D |
| [21:44:39] | ** stuarta thinks about doing it anyway ** | |
| [21:44:56] | clever`: | about 95 total uniq pc's |
| [21:45:32] | ** stuarta suggests clever` not do it... ** | |
| [21:45:46] | clever`: | you can allways visit my network where i can ddos myself all i want:P |
| [21:46:29] | clever`: | last time i was stress testing my server |
| [21:46:34] | janneg: | stuarta: can quicktime play the h264 HD back? |
| [21:46:38] | clever`: | one of my admins glined the entire botnet |
| [21:46:42] | stuarta: | janneg: no idea... |
| [21:46:46] | clever`: | didnt warn him:P |
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| [21:48:55] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | stuarta: Have you tried playing back 'plane jane' mpeg2 HD with your mac mini (with myth)? |
| [21:49:18] | janneg: | I still hope that somebody else will step up and parallelize the ffmpeg h264 decoder |
| [21:49:25] | stuarta: | i don't have any such content yet.... |
| [21:49:37] | janneg: | J-e-f-f-A|work: that shouldn't be a problem |
| [21:49:42] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | stuarta: Ahh... ;-) |
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| [21:49:51] | stuarta: | janneg: yeah, especially considering the pay version seems to work on it... :( |
| [21:50:26] | stuarta: | so much for my cunning plan of not providing sample clips to the author |
| [21:50:35] | juski: | well .. bathtime. I can kill this nasty tomorrow. nothing I enjoy more than reinstalling windblows :( |
| [21:50:45] | janneg: | pay version of ffmpeg? |
| [21:50:54] | clever`: | juski: ive taken the laptop to the tub many times |
| [21:50:54] | stuarta: | no the coreAVC codecs |
| [21:51:03] | clever`: | you dont have to go offline just because of a tub:P |
| [21:51:23] | juski: | the cat5 in the bathroom isn't terminated yet |
| [21:51:29] | clever`: | wifi |
| [21:51:33] | juski: | and I'm not *that* sad |
| [21:51:35] | ctjctj: | I just made my first mythArchive. It did the transcoding and made the menus and according to #1 son, it is great. But it left turds in the temporary directory. Should that have self cleaned? Will it clean on the next archive run? |
| [21:51:36] | juski: | :) |
| [21:51:37] | clever`: | lol |
| [21:51:37] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | juski: no wireless? ;-) |
| [21:51:45] | ** juski is anti-wireless ** | |
| [21:51:52] | juski: | no need for it yet |
| [21:52:05] | clever`: | ctjctj: theres a program on most distro's cron(daily) |
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| [21:52:09] | clever`: | called tmpwatch |
| [21:52:13] | stuarta: | ctjctj: it reuses the same directories |
| [21:52:15] | juski: | besides don't you think some users disrespectful enough without the possibility of them talking to you from the crapper? |
| [21:52:16] | clever`: | which deletes any tmp file untouched for x hours |
| [21:52:27] | stuarta: | so it cleans it's own arse that way |
| [21:52:36] | juski: | anyhoos |
| [21:52:38] | juski: | g'night |
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| [21:52:44] | stuarta: | l8r |
| [21:52:44] | ctjctj: | stuarta, thanks. |
| [21:52:53] | janneg: | ah, yes, CoreAVC is still faster and is multi-threaded |
| [21:53:14] | ctjctj: | clever, not a reasonable answer as there are files that get put in /tmp that I don't want deleted. Had enough of that when rebooting unix always wiped /tmp. :-( |
| [21:53:41] | ctjctj: | Boy did that sound lame. |
| [21:53:44] | clever`: | its set to default of several days |
| [21:53:51] | clever`: | so aslong as you access the file atleast once a day it wont do much to it |
| [21:54:10] | clever`: | i dont see it on ubuntu |
| [21:54:19] | clever`: | but on my redhat9 its at /etc/cron.daily/tmpwatch i beleive |
| [21:54:53] | clever`: | AME |
| [21:54:53] | clever`: | tmpwatch – removes files which haven’t been accessed for a period of |
| [21:54:57] | clever`: | time |
| [21:55:01] | ctjctj: | clever, I do understand the script and I choose not to enable it. Thank you for the suggestion. It sounds, from what stuart is saying, the working directories get reused s that will clean the mess for me. |
| [21:55:12] | clever`: | ahh:) |
| [21:55:29] | clever`: | yeah and you could mod the tmpwatch to only watch the mytharchive folders |
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| [21:55:55] | richard: | happy days, oh happy days! |
| [21:55:57] | ** ctjctj nods "yep. Lots of cool things I could do with a simple cron script. I was more interested in what mythArchive does" ** | |
| [21:56:11] | clever`: | yeah |
| [21:56:20] | clever`: | does it use that on the front or backend? |
| [21:56:35] | richard: | after much work Im able to watch tv via mythtv... |
| [21:56:50] | richard: | but I cant see any upcoming shows |
| [21:57:12] | ctjctj: | I only have mytharchive running on the same box as the backend. I do not know if it works on a frontend machine with mythArchive installed. |
| [21:57:13] | clever`: | zap2it cover your area? |
| [21:57:16] | richard: | I had to manually scan for shows since xmltv (tv_grab_fi) seems to be pooped |
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| [22:39:04] | clever`: | 2007-02–15 16:39:06.812 NVP::AddAudioData():p3: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost! |
| [22:39:07] | clever`: | x500 |
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| [22:44:04] | thekidrio: | anyone here user the hvr 1600 from haupauge? |
| [22:44:12] | thekidrio: | i can only find info on the 900 |
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| [22:45:28] | stuarta: | thekidrio: are you wondering if it's supported? |
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| [22:48:50] | thekidrio: | yeah |
| [22:49:07] | thekidrio: | or if anyone has a hacked work around |
| [22:49:39] | thekidrio: | the hvr 900 is listed but the 1600 is not, i am not sure exactly what the diff is between cards the site is somewhat vague |
| [22:52:35] | stuarta: | thekidrio: suggest asking over in #linuxtv |
| [22:53:33] | thekidrio: | thanks stuarta :) |
| [22:55:24] | clever: | stuarta: found the box i was planing to use to make a dedicated frontend |
| [22:55:42] | clever: | is it posible to install all of the frontend and os on 48mb?:P |
| [22:55:52] | stuarta: | hahahaha!!!! |
| [22:56:09] | clever: | guess i cant use that CF card |
| [22:56:35] | clever: | i cant do a netboot yet since i dont have the net card |
| [22:56:40] | clever: | i forget where it went |
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| [22:59:46] | livingtm: | im playing a DVD for the first time on my system and im getting audiobuffer overflows.. what might cause this? |
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| [23:03:42] | stuarta: | dagnamit, firefox evaporated on me.... |
| [23:06:25] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | clever`: How are you going to use it as a frontend if you don't have a network card? |
| [23:06:39] | clever: | i'll get the nic latere |
| [23:06:50] | clever: | just want to see if it can run the frontend and check its cpu |
| [23:07:19] | clever: | i have a 10mbit pcmcia card somewhere |
| [23:07:33] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | clever`: KnoppMyth or MythDora... |
| [23:08:02] | clever: | would they be extremely confused if i installed under vmware and moved it over? |
| [23:08:44] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | clever: I have no idea... Probably not though... |
| [23:08:53] | clever: | k |
| [23:09:01] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | (did I just contradict myself? ;-) ) |
| [23:09:10] | clever: | would be faster to install with a 2.9ghz even if it is in vmware |
| [23:09:38] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | clever`: You can just boot the 'live' cd to see how it works as a frontend... no install at all... |
| [23:09:50] | clever: | the pc doesnt boot from a cd |
| [23:09:55] | clever: | needs a boot straping floppy |
| [23:10:17] | ** clever has a look at the cd ** | |
| [23:10:51] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work and I thought *I* had alot of useless hardware... I think I've met my match!!! ;-) ** | |
| [23:11:07] | thekidrio: | heh |
| [23:11:17] | thekidrio: | i have several machines with only 4 mb of storage |
| [23:11:22] | clever: | the hdd control in the gateway laptop eats drives |
| [23:11:28] | clever: | so i cant use an internal drive |
| [23:11:40] | thekidrio: | flash drive? |
| [23:11:43] | clever: | but a cf card and a straping floppy would do or a netboot |
| [23:12:00] | clever: | i have a usb CF reader along with a few SD readers |
| [23:12:24] | thekidrio: | sounds lke a fun project haha |
| [23:12:47] | clever: | yeah |
| [23:12:51] | thekidrio: | the computers i speak of are called NIC aka new internet computer put out by the oracle fella i think |
| [23:13:05] | thekidrio: | i have been trying to get them to useful stuff other then browse the web |
| [23:13:18] | thekidrio: | but 4mb is tough |
| [23:13:24] | clever: | 4mb ram? |
| [23:13:30] | thekidrio: | total space haha |
| [23:13:37] | thekidrio: | it runs from a live cd |
| [23:13:37] | clever: | ahh lol |
| [23:13:46] | clever: | ive worked on a pc with not even 1mb before |
| [23:13:46] | clever: | c64 |
| [23:13:55] | clever: | total space on drive c: which is of type( fixed ) is 74.53GB and free is 178.89MB |
| [23:14:02] | clever: | brb |
| [23:14:32] | thekidrio: | http://www.thinknic.com/ |
| [23:14:53] | clever: | knoppmyth booting in vmware |
| [23:15:00] | thekidrio: | hehe |
| [23:15:02] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | clever: My Amiga 500 originally came with 512KB ram... ;-) |
| [23:15:06] | clever: | that reminds me |
| [23:15:12] | clever: | knoppmyth uses protocol 31 |
| [23:15:14] | clever: | backend is 32 |
| [23:15:17] | thekidrio: | i had machines with 0 extended ram |
| [23:15:30] | clever: | going to have trouble here:P |
| [23:15:34] | thekidrio: | and 10 meg hard drives that are huge |
| [23:15:46] | thekidrio: | ahh the crappy old days |
| [23:16:40] | clever: | http://clever.mine.nu/pc's/Photo_082506_005.jpg |
| [23:17:05] | clever: | http://clever.mine.nu/pc's/Photo_082806_010.jpg |
| [23:17:25] | clever: | http://clever.mine.nu/pc's/Photo_082806_011.jpg right one is 40mb and double the size |
| [23:19:25] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | If I only had a picture of my first hard drive — 5.25" wide, full height (~3.5" high), and about 8" long... ;-) I think it was 10 or 20 MB!!! |
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| [23:19:42] | clever: | lol |
| [23:20:22] | jams: | J-e-f-f-A|work- built like a tank, I sadly lost mine during a move |
| [23:20:54] | clever: | anti tank missle? |
| [23:22:04] | clever: | 333mhz |
| [23:22:09] | clever: | would that do as a frontend?:P |
| [23:22:55] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | clever`: I doubt it, but it just might cut it as a remote SD frontend only, with an nvidia card and at least 128 (256?) ram... |
| [23:23:07] | clever: | its a laptop |
| [23:23:17] | clever: | build in video and i forget how much ram |
| [23:23:57] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | I dunno... Probably not... Unless, perhaps, the kernel was compiled and optimized for it... IE only the necessary drivers, etc... |
| [23:24:29] | clever: | memtest going |
| [23:24:32] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | I had a 667mhz laptop that didn't cut the mustard as a frontend when booting a knoppmyth off a CD... |
| [23:24:40] | clever: | 96mb ram |
| [23:24:57] | thekidrio: | not good for live cd that number |
| [23:24:57] | clever: | 144mb.sec read speed |
| [23:25:05] | clever: | 256k l2 cache at 854mb/sec |
| [23:25:49] | clever: | this is one of the semi fast laptops thats still solid |
| [23:26:01] | clever: | you can give it a good shake and nothing fall appart |
| [23:26:15] | clever: | the lcd panel on my 1ghz laptop isnt even screwed in |
| [23:27:54] | clever: | the gateway with 96mb ram has a free expansion slot for ram |
| [23:27:56] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | hehe... here's the size of my first 10MB disk drive...next to a modern 2.5" laptop drive! http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en . . . sk_drive.JPG |
| [23:28:24] | clever: | :D |
| [23:28:28] | clever: | now... |
| [23:28:30] | clever: | what happens |
| [23:28:34] | clever: | if i remove a ram card |
| [23:28:38] | clever: | while memtest is going.... |
| [23:28:39] | Hoochster: | so amazing how many peeps have their mythweb completely out there in the open to find via a google search lol |
| [23:28:49] | ** gardengnome complains about linux taking ages to compile ** | |
| [23:28:55] | Hoochster: | trying to find if there is a way to fix an error and find other peeps mythweb lol |
| [23:29:01] | clever: | lol |
| [23:29:15] | clever: | mine can only be accessed thru a vpn |
| [23:29:20] | clever: | so i didnt pw protect it |
| [23:29:27] | Hoochster: | mine is locked down to u/p heh |
| [23:29:29] | clever: | login to there mythweb |
| [23:29:31] | Zider: | gardengnome: ehich part of linux? ;P |
| [23:29:34] | clever: | and set it to record the local 2am porno |
| [23:29:37] | Hoochster: | that way I can access via my phone heh |
| [23:29:38] | clever: | get them in trouble:P |
| [23:29:38] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Hoochster: hehe... ;-) |
| [23:29:40] | gardengnome: | Zider: linux itself, the kernel. |
| [23:30:00] | Zider: | well, there are many parts of the kernel, and I guess you don't have it all on :( |
| [23:30:03] | Zider: | :) evem |
| [23:30:05] | Zider: | gah |
| [23:30:11] | Zider: | *typing in the dark* |
| [23:30:16] | gardengnome: | Zider: looking for trouble, huh? ;) |
| [23:30:29] | Hoochster: | was hoping that it worked now lol but mythweb has some issues with php 5.2.0–8 heh |
| [23:30:35] | Hoochster: | works fine with earlier versions lol |
| [23:30:36] | Zider: | gardengnome: wtf! *pulls knife* ;) |
| [23:30:39] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Zider: You need one of those illuminated 'gamer' keyboards... they're backlit... but cost upwards of $50!!!! |
| [23:31:06] | Zider: | J-e-f-f-A|work: used to have one, it sucked ASS.. besides, I'm on a laptop now |
| [23:31:33] | clever: | LOL |
| [23:31:42] | clever: | i removed a ram card from my laptop |
| [23:31:44] | gardengnome: | xris: did you ever think about including a robots.txt in mythweb that'll prevent the search engine spiders from indexing stupid people's mythweb install? |
| [23:31:46] | clever: | with it RUNNIN |
| [23:31:53] | gardengnome: | Zider: ;) |
| [23:32:02] | clever: | and the error count in memtest is rising fast |
| [23:32:13] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | clever`: Well, that wasn't exactly the smartest thing to do now, was it?!? |
| [23:32:24] | clever: | i didnt expect it to not crash:P |
| [23:32:33] | Zider: | no hotswap? ;) |
| [23:32:50] | clever: | isnt made to let you hotswap the RAM |
| [23:33:09] | janneg: | gardengnome: a smart idea |
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| [23:33:31] | clever: | lol |
| [23:33:33] | clever: | rebooted |
| [23:33:37] | clever: | and now it claims to have 32mb ram |
| [23:33:52] | clever: | it as 96 |
| [23:33:59] | clever: | and that was only a soft reboot |
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| [23:34:21] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | clever: 'guess you pulled the 64mb stick out... I'd do a cold boot... |
| [23:34:50] | clever: | its labled 8Mx64 |
| [23:34:56] | clever: | ,SDRAM |
| [23:35:04] | clever: | now the more fun part |
| [23:35:09] | clever: | reinstalling ram with it on |
| [23:36:09] | clever: | didnt crash |
| [23:36:50] | clever: | still only 32mb after soft reboot |
| [23:37:01] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Yeah, because the program is running from the lower 640k... |
| [23:37:15] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | did you do the hard boot? |
| [23:37:21] | clever: | just did |
| [23:37:23] | clever: | stkill 32mb |
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| [23:38:01] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Humph... I'd try turning it off, re-seating and/or swapping the two, then re-booting. |
| [23:38:27] | clever: | only 1 ram and 2 slots |
| [23:38:36] | clever: | and i just finished reseating it |
| [23:38:46] | clever: | 32 still:S |
| [23:38:48] | clever: | next slot |
| [23:39:17] | gardengnome: | are you trying to kill the laptop? |
| [23:39:19] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Ah... 32mb 'on board'... so you might have fried the memory controller... Good going!!!! |
| [23:40:35] | janneg: | gardengnome: but it wouldn't work without user action since the mythweb root isn't the virtualhost root |
| [23:40:36] | clever: | there wasnt fully seated |
| [23:40:38] | clever: | rebooting |
| [23:41:22] | clever: | 96mb again |
| [23:41:23] | clever: | fixed |
| [23:41:57] | clever: | that was fun |
| [23:42:20] | clever: | now we just need to mod the kernel to not panic when i tear a chip out:P |
| [23:43:21] | Zider: | "we"? |
| [23:43:26] | clever: | j/k:P |
| [23:43:32] | ** gardengnome pulls a knife on Zider ** | |
| [23:43:55] | stuarta: | wtf? |
| [23:43:55] | Zider: | gardengnome: *pulls out the katana* |
| [23:44:05] | ** clever steps back and gets popcorn ** | |
| [23:44:16] | ** gardengnome hides behind the gnome with the lantern ** | |
| [23:44:40] | stuarta: | OOH BEHAVE!!!! |
| [23:44:45] | ** Zider slices the gnome in neat cubes ** | |
| [23:44:54] | Zider: | stuarta: :( |
| [23:44:58] | ** clever wonders which gnome that was ** | |
| [23:45:08] | Zider: | that one *points* |
| [23:45:09] | ** stuarta fries some gnome for supper ** | |
| [23:45:52] | clever: | 2007-02–15 17:46:03.318 NVP::AddAudioData():p3: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost! |
| [23:46:00] | clever: | and the audio is real messed up |
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| [23:46:57] | gardengnome: | janneg: right, but that website says only a few robots implement the robot meta tag :/ |
| [23:48:41] | janneg: | but the page is ten years old and excluding some is better than nothing |
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| [23:50:58] | gardengnome: | janneg: you've got a point there ;) |
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| [23:51:42] | slick: | hello |
| [23:51:44] | clever: | gardengnome i can get more info |
| [23:51:59] | clever: | google and yahoo crawl my site and leave trails of help links explainging what there doing |
| [23:52:06] | clever: | and what tags those bots will follow |
| [23:52:23] | gardengnome: | clever: make sure to explain it to xris, not to me ;) |
| [23:52:29] | clever: | mostly robots.txt based but google also supports one right in <a> and in the header |
| [23:52:36] | gardengnome: | although he probably knows that stuff already |
| [23:53:04] | clever: | :72.30.177.97 – - [12/Feb/2007:13:31:18 -0500] "GET /robots.txt HTTP/1.0" 200 45 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Yahoo! Slurp; http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/ysearch/slurp)" |
| [23:53:52] | slick: | i have comcast cable in California, will I need some sort of IR-Blaster to change channels with a PVR-150? |
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| [23:59:27] | quink: | still can't get damn VLC to work right. |
| [23:59:41] | gardengnome: | janneg: looking at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . hweb/INSTALL it seems that mythweb is installed into document root by default. having a robots.txt file would still be a sensible approach. |
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