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Tuesday, February 13th, 2007, 00:01 UTC

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_Sam--:

heya...my video library is on a samba share that my mythtv connects to fine. when i remove movies on the samba share, and then run the video utility to update my files, the movies are never removed from my library...

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_Sam--:

i can go into the sql table, and remove the movies manually, but there must be a better?

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_Sam--:

a better way...

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_Sam--:

or what am i doing wrong?

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dgoodlad:

Hi all – is there any way to get mythfrontend to stop using 100% cpu when idle (sitting at the main menu screen)?

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dgoodlad:

Or, at the very least, does anyone know why it sits at 100% cpu?

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hads:

It doesn't ;)

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Jared555:

sorry to ask a random question, but I know there are a few networking people here, anyone here either taken a CCNA course or is actually CCNA certified?

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hads:

dgoodlad: I haven't come across that before so no idea sorry.

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fooker:

Hey all. Looking for a remote that has good support under linux. I've found with the remotes that I have, it takes multiple, prolonged button pushes to get a response, and I need something thas a little more old-people friendly

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hads:

MCE remotes work well for me

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fooker:

Thats one of the remotes I have, and I find it to be nearly impossible to use...

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fooker:

Then again, its rebranded Acer, and the laptop it came with is a failing peice of junk...

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hads:

Odd, I have a three and they work great. Using lirc 0.8.0, aparently the latest release supports the blaster too.

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fooker:

Are they full sized remotes with the number pad? Or little half remotes?

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kormoc:

fooker, full sized

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hads:

That's mine; http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:MCE-Remote-2.jpg

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kormoc:

fooker, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:MCE-Remote-2-alt.jpg

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kormoc:

is mine

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hads:

An alt eh? :)

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fooker:

Hmm...

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kormoc:

hads, aye :P

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fooker:

Any changes to the configs? Maybe I mucked something up....

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kormoc:

fooker, https://www.kormoc.com/stuff/lirc/

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fooker:

Thats odd... I have big blocks in my lirc.conf..

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fooker:

name dvd

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fooker:

Like that, except about 10 lines for each name

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kormoc:

that's 'raw' codes, and tend to be rather sucky

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fooker:

Ah

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kormoc:

my config is from lirc's offical config archive and works rather well

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fooker:

Well, that could be a potential problem... lets fire up the projector and see if your codes work better

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fooker:

kormoc: What do you have your repeat values as?

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kormoc:

fooker, it's in the lircrc file in the link i gave you, but it's = 3

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nikosapi:

hello, I have a problem with recording/live-tv on my plextor px-m402u. It only has composite/svideo inputs but when I try and watch tv this error pops up in the console "TVRec(1) Error: Problem finding starting channel, setting to default of '3'. ChannelBase(1) Error: InitializeInputs():"

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WZ__:

oy vey. thanks! :)

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GreyFoxx:

np :) I've done the same thing when I setup mythtvosd to send my asterisk callerid info :)

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AngryElf:

I'm getting an error, from mythWeb that is showing up when I search, or view listings (also, my upcoming recordings listing is all gone) — "SQL Error: Can't open file: 'oldrecorded.MYI' (errono:145)

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burthold:

hola!

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AngryElf:

any ideas on that one? Grey? :)

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GreyFoxx:

Likely you need to run a repair on the table

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GreyFoxx:

or it's actually missing which isn't good

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hads:

Bad even

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hads:

mysqlcheck -u $USER [-p] --auto-repair mythconverg

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burthold:

thats the command for sure hads

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burthold:

you beat me to it :)

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hads:

I'm getting good at typing it :)

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burthold:

haha!

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AngryElf:

GreyFoxx, the table is there, "select * from oldrecorded" gives the same error

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AngryElf:

"repair oldrecorded" ?

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burthold:

so, I'm battling two diffrent issues. One, I think is a hardware conflict sometimes my tuner starts throwing garbled stuff to the screen then eventually stops working all together forcing a reboot. 2 PVR-150's

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burthold:

I had to use the pci=irqroute to get the box stable in the first place.

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burthold:

AngryElf: hads put the command line syntax up that you need to run.

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clever:

is it posible to run a commflag on 1 non backend

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clever:

and it stream the video over

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clever:

to use up the non backend's spare cpu

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psofa:

err cant get xvmc on the lappy.mythfe bitches

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psofa:

Xlib: extension "XVideo-MotionCompensation" missing on display ":0.0".

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psofa:

ive got x11-libs/libXvMC installed

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psofa:

so?

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burthold:

eh?

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Zider:

don't you need to activate it in xorg.conf too?

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psofa:

yeah but i dont know how to activate it in xorg :)

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Zider:

does your card support it?

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psofa:

i810

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psofa:

apparently yes

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IA-Outdoors:

is a playstation 2 capable of being a mythfrontend?

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Zider:

psofa: "Add your XvMC library module name to the /etc/X11/XvMCConfig file, creating a new one if necessary"

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media_:

is there any trick to getting back to the photo gallery once it plays a video clip? After a video clip it finishes and just displays a blue screen and you have to hit escape to get back to it.

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psofa:

done that

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C4T3CH:

I have compiled mythtv for my PS3... It won't connect to the mysql database and configure it... can anyone please help me?

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Zider:

psofa: and you're sure it's correct?

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clever:

need help trying to find knoppmyth

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clever:

cant even find a dl link on there site

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Zider:

clever: you mean except for the 20 links at the main page?

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clever:

lol

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psofa:

Zider, positive

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clever:

those wherent well labled as download links

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Zider:

clever: "R5E50 is available from:"

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Zider:

:P

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clever:

it didnt explain what R5E50 was though:P

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clever:

i just got mythcommflag going on a non backend

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Zider:

psofa: and mythtv is set right?

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clever:

working like i expected

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C4T3CH:

Could anyone tell em why I get this error? "unable to connect to database!" "No error type from QsqlError? Strange..."

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clever:

looks like i can get 30 boxes comm flaging at once to flag a tb of data

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clever:

if i had that many boxes and that much hdd space on the be:P

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C4T3CH:

Is it because I compiled mythtv while excessively drinking?

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clever:

C4T3CH: i had that error also a while back

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clever:

i forget how i fixed it

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clever:

i think it had something to do with mysql.txt and the mysql perms

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burthold:

C4T3CH: I had to rerun the database portion with -force under debian

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C4T3CH:

thanks I'll try that:)

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C4T3CH:

burthold: Were you running MythTV under Debian?

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burthold:

yep then switched over to ubutnu

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burthold:

which is debian under the covers anyway

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C4T3CH:

I am using Yellow Dog Linux under Yellow Dog Linux (fedora based)...

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C4T3CH:

lol

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C4T3CH:

I am tired

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burthold:

then I wouldn't use the debian packages ;)

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C4T3CH:

ok I am using Yellow dog Linux on a playstation 3... PPC. I can access the database with mysql -u mythtv -p mythtv

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clever:

the username and password and database name are all stored in mysql.txt

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clever:

locate mysql.txt will probly find it

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C4T3CH:

Do you know if I need to create the user table in the mythconverg database

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C4T3CH:

ok I'll search for it

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C4T3CH:

lol

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C4T3CH:

I bet thats it!

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Fritz:

aargh, I broke my mythtv :(

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clever:

it also could be having trouble finding the mysql.txt

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clever:

ubuntu puts it in /etc/mysql/ by default

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clever:

but the source install seems to work better with is at ~/.mythtv/

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Fritz:

any idea why I would have an available tuner, but it isn't recording? it was working yesterday. . .

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fooker:

I can't seem to find it on mysql's website – how do you run mysqld as root again?

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C4T3CH:

mysqld -u root -p

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C4T3CH:

please disregard my last message... that was ment for a console windows

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clever:

my irc chat IS in a console window:P

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Fritz:

waI thought you were answering fooker's question

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Fritz:

-wa

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Fritz:

I wish I knew why ubuntu sets my clock off by 4 hours ever time it boots

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clever:

sounds like its confused about if its in utc zone or not

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Fritz:

that would be a good assumption, but running ntpdate manually fixes it each time

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hads:

Do you dual boot?

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clever:

my ubuntu runs ntpdate on bootup

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Fritz:

nope

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Fritz:

yes, it does run ntpdate on boot, but for some reason ntpdate on boot gets different results than manually running it

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Fritz:

I haven't really looked into it yet

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Fritz:

I've set ntpdate as a cron job and it fixes it if I forget to anyway

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clever:

:)

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clever:

might cause slight problems though with cron

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clever:

if it turns the clock back 30 seconds

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clever:

the cron job may run a second time

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kormoc:

clever, nah, it might only rerun it, but it won't get set back again

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Fritz:

heh, I hadn't thought of that, I've always run it as a cron job in my old mythtv box because the internal clock lost rediculous amounts of time

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clever:

yeah it wont mess the clock up any even with reruning

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clever:

theres a diff version of ntp package

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clever:

which will moniter the clock at run time to see how off it is

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clever:

and addjust it as needed

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hads:

You mean ntp?

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clever:

so if your clock counts 1 every 2 seconds

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clever:

it would tell the kernel to addjust for it

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Fritz:

yes, the ntp daemon

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kormoc:

Fritz, ntpd is the accepted way to handle running drift.

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Fritz:

but for some reason ntpd requires an open port and ntpdate doesn't

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clever:

it would probly also resync properly every time you reboot

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kormoc:

Fritz, no it doesn't... well, if setup right it doesn't

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Fritz:

hmm, it used to

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j-rod:

uh, no

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j-rod:

er, rather, definitely doesn't now

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clever:

which package was it called under ubuntu?

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Fritz:

okay, I'm lost on my mythtv setup

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kormoc:

I have quite a few servers which run it without open ports

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j-rod:

apt-cache search ntp ?

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** j-rod does too **

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clever:

closest match i see is ntpdate

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clever:

and the openbsd version

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j-rod:

xntpd

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clever:

no such package

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clever:

also my frontend crashed again

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clever:

2007-02–12 19:59:54.943 MythThemedMenuPrivate: Must have room for at least 1 column of buttons

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j-rod:

package is simply 'ntp' in my world

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hads:

Tis in mine too. On Ubuntu.

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j-rod:

now if only I could figure wtf is causing my master backend not to see the hdhomerun

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clever:

front end core dumped

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clever:

(no debugging symbols found)

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clever:

Core was generated by `mythfrontend'.

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clever:

Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.

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clever:

crashed in the key handler as allways with that menu error

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clever:

looks good

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nikosapi:

Is there a reason why mythbackend crashes when I want to view system info on the frontend?

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cesman:

perhaps you should check the backend log?

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bzbb:

mythtv-setup doesn't do anything, I ran it once, told it english, nothing happened, then KDE said it was not responding

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bzbb:

now when I run it, nothing happens

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bzbb:

this is under kubuntu fiesty AMD-64

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IA-Outdoors:

is there a quick way to find out wich version of mythfrontend I have on a computer?

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C4T3CH:

Has anyone here gotting Myth-tv to work on yellow dog linux (Playstation 3)?

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clever:

mythfrontend --version

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C4T3CH:

I have a feeling I may have compiled mythtv with QT-SQL support

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IA-Outdoors:

clever, what about remotely? I get "error cannot connect to myth server"

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IA-Outdoors:

unfortunately mythweb doesn't report myth version in backend status

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IA-Outdoors:

...or if it does I can't find it anywhere

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cleverca:

ssh or walk over to the backend box

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cleverca:

and mythbackend --version

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IA-Outdoors:

yeah, walking ove not n option but that last option worked...thanks

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cleverca:

why cant you walk over?

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C4T3CH:

he is probably fixing it remotely, for his parents or something

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clever:

thats posible:)

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C4T3CH:

I have ensured 'mysql.txt' file has the correct dbhostname, dbusername, dbname and dbpassword for the mythtv db.

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C4T3CH:

but its still not working...

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C4T3CH:

I also tried configuring mysql on my debian box and it does the same thing...

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clever:

where is mysql.txt

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C4T3CH:

its ~/.mysql/

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C4T3CH:

its ~/.mythtv/

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C4T3CH:

oops

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C4T3CH:

hey clever do you want to vnc in and take a look?

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clever:

shure

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cleverca:

pm me the ip/pw

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C4T3CH:

just gotta forward the ports...

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cleverca:

port 5900

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kormoc:

C4T3CH, we hardly recommend giving random people passwords to your box... and in anycase did you edit *every* mysql.txt file?

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C4T3CH:

yep... the one in my user directory and the one in my root directory

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C4T3CH:

its just my ps3... I am not worried... its running through a hypervisor...

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Agrajag-:

"a lot"

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cleverca:

:P

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kormoc:

C4T3CH, it does open up the rest of your network. if he smacks a root level script on your box, he could have access to it after you think he's done and then can at his leasure work on the rest of the network.

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C4T3CH:

good ole rootkit :)

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C4T3CH:

I am planning on formating and trying again tonigh

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bzbb:

so, mythtvsetup crashes

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C4T3CH:

if at first you don't succeed try try again:

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cleverca:

a recording a made just 2 hours ago is playing about 50% speed

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cleverca:

but its set to 1x

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kormoc:

clever, so set it to 1/2x

[03:11:31]

cleverca:

still doesnt sound right at 2x

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cleverca:

still too slow

[03:12:17]

cleverca:

its got an odd ammount of bass to it

[03:12:23]

cleverca:

like the play speed has been lowered

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cleverca:

its only that 1 recording

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hads:

So watch that one ;)

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cleverca:

lol

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bzbb:

why does mythtv-setup crash, and what can I do about it

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mark487:

any word on when ivtv will support the hauppauge hvr-1600 (analog NTSC plus ATSC over-the-air digital)??

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hjohnson:

mark487: i don't think it's even the same chipset, so the driver would be totally different

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GreyFoxx:

mark487: It's a different chipset, and they do not have a datasheet for it

[03:25:05]

GreyFoxx:

they estimate 6months from when they get a datasheet

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hjohnson:

if they ever get a datasheet

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GreyFoxx:

so,.... no time soon if ever

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mark487:

ya, i heard it was a different chipset, newer, but figured it'd.... . . oh

[03:25:39]

hjohnson:

sadly, a lot of the interesting modern ICs don't have publically documented datasheets

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GreyFoxx:

They are trying to get it from Conexant. But conexant is usually tight fisted with that stuff

[03:26:35]

hjohnson:

yep

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mark487:

sigh, that stinks. it seems in the chip producers best interest to publish a datasheet for s/w developers.

[03:27:35]

GreyFoxx:

They fear then people will find the flaws in their harware that they "hide" in their own drivers

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hjohnson:

mark487: naw, they don't want people to figure out how crappy their IC really is.

[03:27:51]

GreyFoxx:

you would be suprised how often drivers implement something in cpu because the hardware is actually broken

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hjohnson:

GreyFoxx: beat me too it.

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mark487:

guess they don't want their competition knowing

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GreyFoxx:

or that other companies would somewhow steal their ideas

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hjohnson:

or else people might discover that the copy protection the media companies dictate to them is actually implemented in software

[03:30:17]

hjohnson:

or something like that, I dunno

[03:30:34]

GreyFoxx:

yeah, that happens a lot

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mark487:

hahaha, ya, pretend the chips are all perfect, as intended

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hjohnson:

hah, I just got a telemarketing call and I go "can i speak to the owner of the house?" "no, please put me on your do not call list" "but we're not trying to sell you something, we're giving away a free alarm system."

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mark487:

telemarketers & spammers, such a plague on society

[03:34:14]

mark487:

well, thanks for the info, chaps. stinks that the hvr-1600 won't work w/ myth.

[03:35:13]

mark487:

(and irc rocks. i'm new to it, but it's amazing to instantly communicate with different pools of people with particular interests / knowledge)

[03:37:30]

hjohnson:

they need to implement do not call lists.. if I go on tha tlist, it means I do not want anyone to call me. not politicians or political parties, not charities, not companies, no one other than my friends and contacts period.

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hjohnson:

the whole "free speech" crap is specious.. if I go on the list, I don't want to be contacted period, and that's my right.

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hjohnson:

</rant>

[03:38:00]

hads:

heh

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hjohnson:

that's the second one and this one was pre-recorded

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hjohnson:

I just got a pre-recorded "congratulations, you've just won a vacation to florida or the bahamas"

[03:38:33]

hjohnson:

notice how they didn't say "won a free vacation"

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mark487:

wow, you're really lucky!

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hads:

Got a spare box? I have Asterisk screen any calls without CID and it works wonders.

[03:39:11]

hjohnson:

I just hung up on it because it wasn't a real person

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hjohnson:

I should do that.

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cleverca:

hads: i had an idea for mythtv

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cleverca:

it could connect to and moniter a regular dialup modem

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hads:

Also, integrated with mythtvosd it's great to see who's calling.

[03:39:50]

cleverca:

and watch it for caller id info

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cleverca:

and when a call comes in it would automaticaly pause whatever is up and show the info on screen

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hads:

cleverca: Already do-able :)

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cleverca:

lol where is it then?

[03:40:39]

hjohnson:

I do have a modem somewhere that can listen for CID

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hjohnson:

but no ISA slots anywhere to house

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cleverca:

i noticed that modems could do that a year or 2 ago

[03:41:05]

cleverca:

was playing with the AT commands when a call came in

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cleverca:

and info spat out of it without warning

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hjohnson:

heh

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hads:

Call mythtvosd from your Asterisk dialplan which does the CID popup and then just script something to telnet to the control port and pause the TV

[03:41:27]

cleverca:

i got atleast 3 external modems

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hjohnson:

I used to use it when I ran a BBS back in the days of ore

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hjohnson:

yore

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cleverca:

hads how would that connect and pause work?

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hjohnson:

used it as a substitue for callback verification

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cleverca:

i dont know the mythtv controlport protocol by memory atm

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hads:

Just telnet to the control port (default 6546) and issue a 'key p'

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cleverca:

lol:)

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** cleverca gives it a try **

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hads:

You may need to enable the control port

[03:43:51]

cleverca:

yeah

[03:44:01]

cleverca:

it doesnt appear to be open

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cleverca:

where is it again?

[03:44:16]

hads:

Somewhere in the frontend settings :)

[03:44:26]

hads:

Possibly general

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cleverca:

neither 6948 nor 6546 are open

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cleverca:

so the udp packet from mythtvosd isnt even going anywhere

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hjohnson:

i've already got two cells

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hads:

hjohnson: Yeah, I'm waiting for that here.

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cleverca:

enabled network control interface on 6546

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hjohnson:

(it sucks though, having two phones)

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cleverca:

my internet comes in as dsl over the phone line

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cleverca:

even if we got voip we would still need the phone line wire itself

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hjohnson:

cleverca: right, but do you have to have a POTS line

[03:48:17]

cleverca:

i beleive its pots

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hjohnson:

cleverca: i'm not talking about the physical pair..

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hjohnson:

but the service..

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hjohnson:

a dry pair is a pair without being hooked up to POTS service

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hads:

It's often referred to as "Naked DSL" too

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cleverca:

how would you tell?

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hads:

Do you have a dial tone?

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cleverca:

ahh you mean a pair of lines which can do ONLY dsl?

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hjohnson:

cleverca: no

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cleverca:

i get phone and dsl on the same pair of wires

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hjohnson:

cleverca: one that just doesn't have phone service hooked up to it

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cleverca:

and if i dont use a dsl filter i get noise and a dialtone at once

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hjohnson:

right

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hjohnson:

that's what I'm talking about.. I stil lhave to have a phone line if I want DSL, even though we rarely use it

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cleverca:

i just ran a unfiltered extension to the furnace room for my new linux router

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hads:

Yeah. Lots of people are interested in just DSL, no POTS

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cleverca:

right now its just filtered in the room for the dialup modem

[03:50:19]

cleverca:

but it can be unfiltered for when i move the dsl box to that room

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hjohnson:

yeah, we have a DSL filter behind the wall in our demarc

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cleverca:

the wiring here is nuts

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hjohnson:

heh

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cleverca:

it comes into the corner of the house

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cleverca:

runs down pair a to the storage room

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cleverca:

into a small box on the wall

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cleverca:

which filters it

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hjohnson:

yeah, the small box is the demarcation point.

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cleverca:

then from there it runs to 1 bedroom

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cleverca:

then it runs back out pair b to the box where it all started

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cleverca:

which then splits off to 3–4 more plugs

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cleverca:

so the signal for my dsl goes from the pole->a->b->a->c->d->dslmodem

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mark487:

hads: "have Asterisk screen any calls without CID" howso?

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cleverca:

i read a page about some1s complex mythtv setup

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cleverca:

any phonecall without caller id was routed to a pc

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cleverca:

which asked them to push 1 to connect

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cleverca:

and most telemarketers dont even bother with that:P

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hjohnson:

cleverca: how do you ring the internal modems after that then?

[03:55:02]

cleverca:

and the system also had its own voicemail running off his own pc

[03:55:17]

cleverca:

ring which internal modems?

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hjohnson:

er the phone sin the house after you pick up?

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hjohnson:

er the computer picks up

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cleverca:

ahh i dont know

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cleverca:

it was something i was reading

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cleverca:

some complex voip setup i think

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cleverca:

that was merged with mythtv

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cleverca:

its bookmarked on 1 of my boxes

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cleverca:

yeah that sounds somewhat like what i was reading

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mark487:

wow hads, that sounds sweet. I was wanting to set something up like that a few years ago

[03:59:06]

mark487:

what kinda hardware would an Asterisk box need?

[03:59:37]

mark487:

cpu, ram, *card

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hads:

I run mine (Home/Office) on a EPIA 600Mhz, that's plenty for what I do. It's got a Digium TDM400P

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mark487:

tdm400p is a pci phone card?

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hads:

The other handy thing is keeping a database of CID to names and then populating the display on the phone with peoples names.

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cleverca:

lol cant find the bookmark

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hads:

mark487: Yes. Made by Digium, who are the Asterisk company

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Dr_willis:

its amazing how small they can make thise little pc's now.

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ctjctj:

My asterisk box handles 4 extensions over two SIP boxes and is a PII (celeron) running at 434Mhz

[04:01:54]

hads:

ctjctj: Yeah, it doesn't take much does it as long as you don't do anything too intensive.

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cleverca:

hads: play speed pause looks better then key p

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cleverca:

'key p' can unpause also which would not be what you want

[04:02:17]

mark487:

C3's and P2's --- sweet....

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hads:

cleverca: Yeah, that was just off the top of my head.

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cleverca:

lol

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ctjctj:

That box handles my gate way functions, firewalls, routes http over cable network and real work over the dsl link. It is also the print server and other misc. internal servers. still mostly idle.

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hads:

I just use mythtvosd and pause it with the remote

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cleverca:

:)

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cleverca:

i find the font from mythtvosd a bit too small to read atm

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cleverca:

and it doestn stay up long enough

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hads:

Change it then

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cleverca:

where?:P

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hads:

Somewhere in the frontend settings :)

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mark487:

hahaha gotta love it

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cleverca:

i'll look there later

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mark487:

nice flexible answer

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cleverca:

got a more anoying problem atm

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cleverca:

volume is horible

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cleverca:

im having to put the tv at 18

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cleverca:

normaly 10 would do

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cleverca:

and with the tv up at 18 im hearing alot of noise

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hads:

What did you change?

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GreyFoxx:

man, my tv auto pausing just cause someone called my house would be highly annoying

[04:05:45]

ctjctj:

curiosity, mythfrontend on the primary backend server gives lots of options in the utilities, setup and manage video(?) menus. On the slave front end there is almsot nothing. Is this because there are no plugins installed on the slave?

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GreyFoxx:

cause a: I don't always answer, and b: it's not always for me

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hads:

Agreed

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GreyFoxx:

showing the callerid info on the screen lets me decide if I wanna answer or who the call is for

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cleverca:

could also be usefull if your the only one in the house

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hads:

GreyFoxx: You do so?

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GreyFoxx:

hads : yup

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hads:

Nice innit

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GreyFoxx:

asterisk + mythtvosd

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cleverca:

how do you set the info which mythtvosd ends up showing?

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GreyFoxx:

clever: It's passed on the commandline

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kormoc:

I need to try out the vonage OSD script

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GreyFoxx:

so in my dialplan I do this first when a call comes in

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GreyFoxx:

0.10 is my main frontend

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cleverca:

ahhh:)

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GreyFoxx:

I don't bother broadcasting to the others, though I easily could

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cleverca:

yeah default was 255.255.255.255

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GreyFoxx:

I custom compiled that mythtvosd to remove a lot of the libs it's compiled against as it doesn't need it all

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mark487:

hads et al: what linux dists are popular for light *-boxes?

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Dr_willis:

I like that "Matchbox" window manager

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hads:

Asterisk 1.4+ version of the same: exten => s,n,System(/usr/local/bin/mythtvosd --template=cid --caller_number="${CALLERID(num)}" --caller_date="${STRFTIME(||%Y-%m-%d)}" --caller_time="${STRFTIME(||%H:%M)}" --caller_name="${CALLERID(name)}")

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hads:

mark487: Same as mythtv – what you are most comfertable with

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clever:

ARG

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clever:

2007-02–12 22:09:01.402 NVP: prebuffering pause

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hads:

And if you listen to the regulars here – not Ubuntu :)

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russK:

myth is not so good a flagging commercials on Fox News Channel

[04:12:13]

Dr_willis:

heh – ive noticed the different channels often get flagged better/worse

[04:12:28]

Dr_willis:

some comercials get seen as being part of the shows on cartoon network.

[04:12:35]

Dr_willis:

of course they are cartoon comercials.

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russK:

any way to tweak the flagging settings?

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GreyFoxx:

hads cool. I'll note that for when I update to 1.4

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GreyFoxx:

I'm just sticking to 1.2.x until we update at work

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mark487:

hads: that's funny, why not ubuntu?

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hads:

GreyFoxx: Yah fair enough. It's not at .1 yet anyway ;)

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GreyFoxx:

hads: we'll have to put 1.4 through a round of internal tests before we move to it anyway :) can't fsck with customers unless we are really confident with it :)

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hads:

mark487: Lots of people have difficulties with mythtv on Ubuntu so some of the regulars here don't like it so much. I use it just fine myself.

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clever:

i got it 'running'

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Dr_willis:

Heck thers lot of diffculties with mythtv on lots of disrtos. :) I cheat and use Knoppmyth.

[04:17:11]

clever:

it segfaults every now and then and has the odd lag but it runs

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Dr_willis:

or is that being 'smart' ?

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mark487:

thanks. i'm a linux & mythtv newbie, and my mythtv's just the mythdora combo deal for now

[04:17:40]

clever:

im about to burn a copy of knoppmyth to try it as a livecd frontend

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hads:

GreyFoxx: For sure. Each Asterisk release seems to need internal tests to see what broke and what got better.

[04:17:46]

Dr_willis:

ive not tried MythDora yet.

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GreyFoxx:

the difficulty is attempting to auto setup something as complex as myth with such a potential variety of hardware

[04:18:14]

clever:

yeah

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hads:

upnp sounds like it'll be interesting

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GreyFoxx:

hads: It's very nifty

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clever:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

I can't wait to play with cdev's autodiscovery stuff

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clever:

is upnp in the svn version yet?

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ctjctj:

I tried using djmount to use the upnp, it found the server but never showed me any files. :-(

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GreyFoxx:

clever: upnp was in 0.20

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GreyFoxx:

and improved in svn

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GreyFoxx:

ctjctj: I use djmount with mine all the time

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clever:

Library API version: 0.20.20070124–1

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clever:

Source code version: 12713

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clever:

Options compiled in:

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clever:

linux release using_v4l using_oss using_alsa using_arts using_ivtv using_dbox2 using_hdhr using_iptv using_live using_lirc using_joystick_menu using_x11 using_xv using_xrandr using_frontend using_backend using_bindings_perl

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** clever stabs it for spiting out more then 1 line **

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GreyFoxx:

In fact I've been djmount +mythvideo on all my frontends for 2 months

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ctjctj:

GreyFoxx, good, that means the problem is in FreeBSD and not djmount, upnp

[04:20:30]

GreyFoxx:

actrually I suppose it's closer to 4 months

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GreyFoxx:

I've been playing around with using my xbox360 with it as well. But I've gotten distracted with some house projects

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GreyFoxx:

Hopefully I'll finish that before 0.21

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clever:

loading knoppmyth under vmware.....

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GreyFoxx:

I think there are a couple web gui config tools. I've never used any though

[04:24:21]

GreyFoxx:

vi is my config util :)

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hads:

Yeah, FreePBX is the common one. Digium are doing their own at present.

[04:24:58]

hads:

vim ftw

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hads:

vi is a little old for me

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GreyFoxx:

vim with syntax highlighting makes me happy, but vi is still the common denominator on a lot of boxes I have to work on

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ctjctj:

I suppose you never realized the wonder of the power of ex over ed then?

[04:26:29]

hads:

Editor war! ;)

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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mark487:

hehehe nice peeps here

[04:27:14]

ctjctj:

No, old geek wars.

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hads:

Just rewired my new EPIA system putting the two fans in series. Whisper quiet now.

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ctjctj:

hads, just because it sounds too good to be true: are the fans spinning now?

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hads:

heh, yeah, keeping an eye on it at the moment. The case fan is the heavier of the two and only just spins up. No major if that one stops though – it's proved it can run for at least a few hours without either.

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clever:

my laptop can run for days without the fan starting'

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Varanger:

hello

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clever:

it only comes on if i go over 80C cpu temp

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Varanger:

How can I enable the deinterlacer under Myth???

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hads:

clever: That's warmish

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hads:

Varanger: It's in the frontend settings.

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Varanger:

hads: Where?

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Varanger:

I am looking everywhere!!!

[04:32:42]

ctjctj:

One of the scariest things I ever heard was *silence*. Was in the Cray X/MP machine room and there was a partial power failure. CPU power was up but we lost the chillers. about 60 seconds to get the power off to the cpus before they melt.

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hads:

Ug

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clever:

lol

[04:33:29]

clever:

i had shut one of my main servers off

[04:33:37]

clever:

and i heard something i never heard in that room for a while

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clever:

silence:P

[04:33:46]

clever:

yet it still had 2 computers running

[04:33:55]

clever:

90% of the noise in this room is from a single pc

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hads:

Varanger: Somewhere in TV settings I believe.

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clever:

and when that pc is off the other ones dont sound right

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GreyFoxx:

most of the noise in my living room is the xbox360, the frontends thankfully are silent

[04:34:54]

clever:

i need to find my gateway laptop

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Varanger:

hads: I found it !!

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clever:

it eats harddrives but if i livecd frontend it it should be fine

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GreyFoxx:

my wife was happy when I replace my regular pc based frontend in the bedroom with a silent machine

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clever:

need to see if its able to be a frontend with that hardware

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hads:

clever: Netboot :)

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clever:

i dont think the bios in that can netboot

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hads:

GreyFoxx: That's what this EPIA is doing.

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clever:

and ive yet to get grub to build with network drivers

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hads:

Fortunately I'm pickier about background noise than my wife is.

[04:36:49]

clever:

another thing you can do

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GreyFoxx:

personally I like the pc fan noise.

[04:36:55]

clever:

put the tv by a wall/closet

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GreyFoxx:

I find it soothing and it puts me to sleep :)

[04:37:01]

clever:

punch a hole in the wall

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clever:

and stick the pc in another room

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GreyFoxx:

heck, I'd go to sleep eveyr night with a regular fan in the room if I could :)

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hads:

GreyFoxx: Weirdo ;)

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clever:

and run the ir and vidoe lines thru the hole

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tank-man:

white noise :)

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GreyFoxx:

hads: When I was a kid I should sneak out of my room and fall asleep next to the running dryer :)

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hads:

lol

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clever:

i cant sleep without some noise

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clever:

and i often goto sleep with anime playing

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Varanger:

hads: What deinterlacer should be best for SD ???

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clever:

hearing japanese voices in my sleep:P

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clever:

yet my dad insists that listening to anime is driving him insane and refuses to even watch it when he has a choice:P

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** clever burps multiple times **

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hadees:

I am running out of room on my hard drive and my mythtv database is kind of big. is there anything I can remove that won't seriously effect use?

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hadees:

like a table I can clean out

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hads:

No

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clever:

there can be overhead in mysql though

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GreyFoxx:

hadees: The mysql data can't be that big

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hads:

Remove some recordings.

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clever:

when you delete data the mysql can be fragmented like a harddrive

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GreyFoxx:

you likely just have binlogs turned on

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clever:

GreyFoxx: yeah ubuntu turned binary logs on by default

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clever:

ate 15gig of space before i noticed it:P

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GreyFoxx:

turn it off and delete the logs

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clever:

flush logs;

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clever:

when loged into mysql

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GreyFoxx:

binlogs are a waste of drive space unless you are doing mysql replication

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clever:

thats the proper way to delete the logs

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clever:

binlogs can also be used to recover a crashed database

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clever:

record of every action done to the data letting it rebuild it with less problems

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GreyFoxx:

It's unneeded, at least not to the unlimit extent that most users are running it

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

my ubuntu defaulted to keeping the logs for 20 days

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clever:

and i noticed it after about 40 days of running:P

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kormoc:

binlogs should only exist for the time between correct, transaction safe/aware backups

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hadees:

thanks

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clever:

one method i thought of for backing up while the server is in use

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clever:

bin log replicate to a secondary server

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clever:

then shut that down and save its raw data files

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kormoc:

inno hot backup does something similar, it's rather nice

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kormoc:

too bad you just can't do it with myisam

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clever:

you could also have a second pc booting itself up at 2am daily

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clever:

to replicate the data over and shutdown

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clever:

you wont loose more then 24 hours of data from improper shutdowns or crashes of mysql

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Agrajag-:

i havea replication db that i do backups from so that the main server doesn't need to be down for backups

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hads:

mysqldump will do me

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Agrajag-:

hads: not if the db needs to be in use while the mysqldump is happening

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Agrajag-:

and for large db's, mysqldump can take quite a while (and produce pretty large files)

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kormoc:

Agrajag-, it can lock the tables, so you can have single table transaction safeness

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Agrajag-:

yeah, only single table

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clever:

and if you lock the recorded table

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clever:

while the backend is trying to insert stuff into it

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clever:

wont the inserts block and mess up the recordings?:P

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kormoc:

meh, it's not that long of a block, it should weather it well enough

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clever:

if its over a min for the table it may cause problems

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hads:

Agrajag-: I don't look after any large mission critical dbs – that's why it does me OK.

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kormoc:

Agrajag-, there is the --lock-all-tables option which should work fine

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Agrajag-:

kormoc: yeah, but then the db isn't usable

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kormoc:

Agrajag-, heh, well, it is for read... :P

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clever:

brb

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Agrajag-:

kormoc: heh yeah.. i have some large dbs that need constant writing though – the only way for me to back them up is to replicate, and backup the replication dbs

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hads:

Interesting

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Captain_Murdoch:

In one session I ran the scheduler query, while that was chugging away, I ran an update against the recorded table in another session. that blocked waiting for the select to finish. in a third concurrent session, I ran another select on the recorded table and it blocked until the update completed.

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clever:

lol

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clever:

went thru all that work

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clever:

got a knoppmyth cd and all

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clever:

it uses protocol 31

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clever:

backend is 32

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clever:

no worky:P

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hads:

What's the reason you are running the SVN backend?

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clever:

i upgraded from the old ubuntu package

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clever:

which had still used the OLD ringbuffer format for livetv watching

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h3x:

ive got a 3 hour delay on mythweb times

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clever:

how much extra work would it be for the backed to be backward comp

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h3x:

the on screen epg works fine

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hads:

clever: So you upgraded from 0.19 to SVN?

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clever:

yeah

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hads:

Why not 0.20?

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clever:

it was probly 0.19

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clever:

i often go with source/dev versions of programs

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clever:

LOL

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clever:

i was using 0.18

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kormoc:

clever, it would be hell to get the backend fully backwards compatable

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clever:

:P

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ctjctj:

If you want to use subversion, you can get 0.20.xxx from the branches/fixes area

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clever:

i wasnt even at 0.19 when i was using the packaged version

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clever:

ctjctj: i also like doing svn update and recompiling mythtv every 2–3 days

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clever:

just for the fun of it:P

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clever:

i think my last update fixed a problem i had

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clever:

id randomly get segfaults in a certanin .cpp file

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hads:

You no longer get to complain when you have problems.

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clever:

and that was modified in the last update

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kormoc:

indeed

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clever:

arent you needing people who are testing the dev version to show where the bugs are?:P

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kormoc:

clever, yes, but it comes with the expection that you can try to fix those bugs too

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** kormoc wishes at least **

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clever:

lol

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ctjctj:

I was just ordered by boss man to downgrade my "production" server from FreeBSD/Gentoo to fedora core and did an RPM install of mythtv and it actually worked. Wasn't willing to upgrade both that box from 0.20.1 to SVN

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clever:

atm im just reading the source when i get bored to see how it works and get a feel for the code

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kormoc:

ctjctj, there is no 0.20.1

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lwizardl:

hi

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ctjctj:

kormoc, sorry, new. what is the fixes to 0.20 called then?

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kormoc:

ctjctj, 0.20-fixes :P

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kormoc:

ctjctj, it will become 0.20.1 (if it's ever released) but until then, it's just -fixes

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lwizardl:

anyone try installing mythtv on server hardware ?

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kormoc:

lwizardl, yes, and yes it works

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kormoc:

there's no reason for it not to

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ctjctj:

kormoc, *laugh* I feel Like I just got zapped with an "in" joke.

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lwizardl:

I was just thinking about using a server I got for fixing a xbox system (replaced hd) got some compaq proliant 6400r servers (quad p3 500mhz)

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kormoc:

lwizardl, they're a tad slow

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clever:

could be usefull as a comm flager

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clever:

would be able to run 4 comm flags at once

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kormoc:

clever, 4 very slow comm flags

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lwizardl:

comm flags?

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kormoc:

lwizardl, commerical flagging processes

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clever:

kormoc: but would the total time/hour be the same?

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clever:

you may get 1 show done in double the normal time

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kormoc:

clever, likely not. it's more then just speed improvements in arch types

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clever:

but you can get 4 done at once in that time

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kormoc:

clever, unlikely, you're looking at maybe 5 to 10x as long from a 2 ghz to z 500 mhz

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clever:

im running commflag on a 1ghz frontend

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clever:

and its streaming the videos over the lan to commflag

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clever:

70 fps

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kormoc:

just in pure io contention issues with the poor ich4 bus attepting to handle 4 steams at once will kill performance

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clever:

lol yeah that may slow it:P

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clever:

lol

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clever:

commflag crashes

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clever:

Illegal instruction

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kormoc:

use a legal compiler next time

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** clever enables core dumping and crashes it again **

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lwizardl:

but how would it be for sd recording

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kormoc:

lwizardl, fine with a pvr 150/250/350/500

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lwizardl:

i have a 150

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kormoc:

lwizardl, *might* be able to play back with a nvidia card, *likely* could with a pvr 250

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kormoc:

*350

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx runs p3 733's and it works, but not very fast at all. he doesn't recommend anything lower period.

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clever:

waiting for commflag to crash again

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burthold:

so is there a fix for ivtv and the washed out colors/ super bright whites?

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h3x:

is there a mythtv bug tracker

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h3x:

Ahha theres trac

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burthold:

hurm...

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kormoc:

burthold, turn down the brightness?

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burthold:

Well I think I'm moving my PVR back to beyond tv

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kormoc:

enjoy

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** kormoc wave **

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burthold:

I've done all of that its a bug

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kormoc:

*waves

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tank-man:

burthold, no one can guess your setup you are using

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kormoc:

burthold, could switch versions of ivtv, could file a bug with the people who write ivtv

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tank-man:

ivtv version? is it a known problem?

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burthold:

one has already searched the trac at ivtv, and searched the mailing list

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kormoc:

version of ivtv? version of firmware loaded to the card(s), same issue with a single card?

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cleverca:

w00t

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cleverca:

fixed my volume problem

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burthold:

I am looking through the changes logs now. It maybe just getting late for me here. I've tried single card changed cards to a pvr-250 as well washed out and bright if I mess with the settings vx or otherwise it ends up way to dark

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cleverca:

for some odd reason

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cleverca:

the volume of linein on playback

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cleverca:

affects recording volume of linein

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** cleverca stabs his pci audio card **

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burthold:

I did a ivtvctl -V got a driver version of .0.7.0 I'm running a 17 kernel looks like 7.3 is the latest I don't know how to get my firmware version

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ffish:

how do I set up two capture cards to be mutually exclusive?

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ffish:

I've got a PVR-500 with coax from the wall going into the card, but I also want to run s-video/component audio from my cable box to the card

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ffish:

I know there are only two MPEG encoders on the card, so how do I tell myth to record from (/dev/video0, Tuner) or (/dev/video0, S-Video), but not both at the same time?

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burthold:

should be a dev/video# for each input the card accepts

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burthold:

ahh hrum thats a good one.

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ffish:

stupid comcast, encrypting the digital tier, making QAM tuners useless :)

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ffish:

any ideas?

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ffish:

the howto seems to indicate that myth figures this out automagically

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ffish:

"Let's say that this user also has one digital cable set top box. The digital cable service carries channels that are not available over basic cable. The user would create another source called "Digital". This set top box is connected to the second card by S-Video so under "Input connections", "Digital" is associated with the S-Video input of card 2. The system would then know that programs on channels from the Digital source can

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ffish:

only be recorded from this input. Further, the scheduler understands that it can only record one show at a time from card 2 so it can assign Cable or Digital shows to the card but not both at the same time."

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clever:

oops

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clever:

0 bytes free

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clever:

backend is having a spamfest

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monkeyBox:

Help! does anyone have experience w/ Intel GMA 950? I'm trying to run it at 1080p, and Xorg won't find the right mode. Any suggestions?

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clever:

how do i enable the closed captioning in mythtv?

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clever:

some of the shows i have recorded are labled as having it but i dont know how to us eit

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kormoc:

check the keys.txt file

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cleverca:

ahh T

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cleverca:

kormoc when using pip with 2 cards

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cleverca:

and using N to swap

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cleverca:

the keys.txt says it will change the channel on both cards

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cleverca:

wont it be faster to just swap where the 2 video streams are playing

[06:16:31]

cleverca:

and leave both cards at the same channel

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xris:

cleverca: you'd have to ask one of the devs about that.

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cleverca:

ahh

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xris:

could be that your primary tuner is way better quality, and you only want the secondary to be used for pip.

[06:17:27]

xris:

but dunno.. what you suggested makes more sense to me.

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cleverca:

just thinking if both cards changed channels then they would probly loose the info between the play pointer and now

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cleverca:

which may be a problem if your 5mins behind in one or both

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xris:

yup. makes sense.

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cleverca:

when they swap channels it will skip 5mins and would be tricky to undo and rewatch that since it would have also made a new file

[06:18:53]

cleverca:

also my system can bearly handle the load rigth now from changing the channel in 1 card too often

[06:19:44]

cleverca:

whats the link for the trac?

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Captain_Murdoch:

cleverca: can't always swap channels since the channels visible on one card might not be visible on another (think sattellite on one input and cable or OTA on another).

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cleverca:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ ?

[06:20:23]

cleverca:

Captain_Murdoch ahhh:) but it would be usefull to have an option to not swap

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kormoc:

cleverca, why don't you click it and see

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Captain_Murdoch:

trac is for bug reports, not for feature requests.

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cleverca:

i did click it but was asking while it loaded

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cleverca:

where do feature req's go?

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kormoc:

the wiki, under feature requests

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Captain_Murdoch:

there's a page on the wiki

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cleverca:

reg'ing...

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clever:

ARG

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clever:

anoying:P

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monkeyBox:

Why can't my X use 1920x1080 resolution? I'm using the latest i810 drivers, which are supposed to support that

[06:34:35]

Dagmar:

Have you looked at your xorg.log file?

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Dagmar:

It's probably *trying to tell you* why

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Dagmar:

Captain_Murdoch: Hey, IMHO if you can supply your own solutions, trac is a fine place for feature requests.

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kormoc:

Dagmar, that's less of a feature request and more of a patch :P

[06:36:18]

Dagmar:

kormoc: Exactly.

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Captain_Murdoch:

Dagmar: if you supply a solution (aka a patch), then it's not a feature request, it's a patch.

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** Captain_Murdoch obviously skips lines sometimes and just reads the ones directed at him so he misses other replies. :( **

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Dagmar:

You gotta work on your hedology. :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

rather spend time coding. :)

[06:42:08]

Dagmar:

If you had newbies writing code patches instead of begging other people to do the work, you'd have more time for coding.

[06:42:09]

Dagmar:

:)

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cleverca:

fixing up n00b code may still be faster/easyer then making the whole thing yourself

[06:43:10]

cleverca:

you might also pull more of your hair out too though:P

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monkeyBox:

Dagmar: Yes, I've looked at my Xorg log file. It's simply saying "not using 1920x1080 – no mode of this name" but I know the i810 driver is capable of 1920x1080

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Dagmar:

monkeyBox: Then it's told you why it won't do that mode.

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monkeyBox:

Dagmar: Why isn't it detecting that mode though? When I was using a different comp w/ an NVidia card, it used that res by default

[06:57:56]

monkeyBox:

..and if I wanted to create a modeline manually, how would I go about doing that?

[06:58:19]

Dagmar:

It doesn't detect modes.

[06:58:29]

Dagmar:

You'd Google or look at the mythtv wiki where they are listed.

[06:59:17]

monkeyBox:

Dagmar: is there standard modeline for all LCD's? or is it vendor-specific? If it's vendor specific, I doubt I'd find one for my LCD

[07:00:06]

cleverca:

are there any mirc scripts for controling mythtv?

[07:00:07]

Dagmar:

There is no "standard modeline for all LCDs".

[07:00:12]

Dagmar:

Neither are they vendor specific.

[07:00:33]

Dagmar:

cleverca: Fuck windows

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cleverca:

lol

[07:00:47]

cleverca:

but it would be handy to be able to control it from mirc:P

[07:00:53]

Dagmar:

Particularly screw that craptacular coder Bey

[07:01:03]

Dagmar:

You have a web browser. Use it.

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cleverca:

yeah the programing language in mirc has tons of problems

[07:01:19]

Dagmar:

mIRC itself has tons of problems.

[07:01:23]

cleverca:

the web browser cant control the frontend from what i know

[07:01:29]

Dagmar:

It ain't just his sorry excuse for a scripting language.

[07:01:39]

Dagmar:

You don't need the web browser to control the fronend.

[07:01:51]

cleverca:

how would i remotely control the frontend then?

[07:01:51]

monkeyBox:

Hmm. I'm seeing something called "Powerstrip" in the wiki that supposedly generates modlines from EDID info. Is this a linux app?

[07:02:12]

tank-man:

no

[07:05:44]

Dagmar:

clever: You'd use an IR remote

[07:05:56]

Dagmar:

DUH

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cleverca:

lol

[07:06:23]

cleverca:

my ir receiver is in peices atm

[07:06:55]

cleverca:

still looks like a fun project even if id be the only one using it:P

[07:08:11]

tank-man:

clever, telnet or something

[07:08:29]

cleverca:

just duplicated telnet in mirc

[07:08:39]

cleverca:

with a button to connect/disconnect to the set ip

[07:09:02]

cleverca:

and i can easily add buttons to do set functions

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justinh:

g'monging

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clever:

tank-man: found a simple way to do it thru irssi

[07:12:06]

clever:

with 0 lines of code being added

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clever:

./query mythtv

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cleverca:

and that can be saved into an alias in irssi and be done with 1 line easily

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Dagmar:

So do it with irssi and quit trying to use mIRC.

[07:13:04]

Ross_C:

just use telnet and be done with it

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cleverca:

telnet doesnt give me command history

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cleverca:

which irssi and mirc both give

[07:13:37]

Dagmar:

Except mIRC is shit and most mIRC users are morons.

[07:13:57]

cleverca:

yeah winblows is better for morons:P

[07:14:14]

Ross_C:

how is a Windows irc client the right tool for changing the channel?

[07:14:34]

cleverca:

it could be better used for controling mythmusic

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Dagmar:

Ross_C: Huffing.

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Dagmar:

Ross_C: People come up with all sorts of crazy ideas after a big can of gold metallic flake.

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cleverca:

lol

[07:15:53]

cleverca:

i tryed 'jump mainmenu'

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cleverca:

while it was watching livetv

[07:16:13]

cleverca:

now the backend stoped recording and the frontend is stuck in prebuffering

[07:16:36]

clever:

and ctrl+c'ing the frontend caused a core dump

[07:16:44]

clever:

Illegal instruction (core dumped)

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justinh:

stopping it like that can cause segfaults – I've seen it happen on otherwise worky frontends

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cleverca:

ahh

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monkeyBox:

Ok, I don't get it. I created a modeline called "1920x1080", and Xorg is still saying "no mode of this name"

[07:21:00]

tank-man:

did you try google monkeyBox ?

[07:22:42]

tank-man:

paste the relavent xorg.conf in pastebin

[07:23:45]

monkeyBox:

tank-man: yeah, I found someone's xorg.conf w/ the same monitor (not the same vid card though)

[07:24:06]

tank-man:

relavent part

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tank-man:

do you have a line in xorg.conf for that resolution? and set your vert/horz rates for your monitor?

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clever:

2007-02–13 01:23:32.079 Video timing method: USleep with busy wait

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clever:

isnt rtc better?

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** monkeyBox is pasting **

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monkeyBox:

pastebin.com is slow :-P

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monkeyBox:

tank-man: I'm getting this warning in my log: *(WW) (1280x1024,Monitor0) mode clock 157.5MHz exceeds DDC maximum 150MHz

[07:31:53]

monkeyBox:

I didn't specify 150Mgz or 157MHz anywhere that I can see

[07:32:19]

kormoc:

monkeyBox, no, you wouldn't. that's something the video card sets, and it says it's a tad slow

[07:32:26]

kormoc:

monkeyBox, you said it's a i810?

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clever:

how would i disable themes from being installed?

[07:33:45]

monkeyBox:

kormoc: correct. i810

[07:33:45]

kormoc:

clever, you don't

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tank-man:

monkeyBox, can that video card do that resolution?

[07:34:04]

monkeyBox:

tank-man: according to the change-log it can

[07:34:05]

clever:

the wide screen themes are a bit anoying when using random theme on a normal tv

[07:34:06]

kormoc:

monkeyBox, hardware wise, it only supports not too high resolutions

[07:34:39]

monkeyBox:

kormoc: This is the GMA-950, and the mobo has an HDMI output, so, hardware-wise, it _should_ support 1080p

[07:35:04]

kormoc:

monkeyBox, gma-950 is not the same as a i810, even if they use the same driver :P

[07:35:24]

monkeyBox:

well, when I said i810 I meant that's what driver I'm using :-p

[07:35:58]

monkeyBox:

sorry for not clarifying

[07:36:29]

monkeyBox:

anyways, regarding that "RAMDAC" statement above: not sure how to interpret that

[07:37:25]

kormoc:

monkeyBox, you sure it's the i810 driver that's the right one?

[07:38:14]

monkeyBox:

kormoc: from what I've researched, yes.

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monkeyBox:

http://wiki.x.org/wiki/IntelGraphicsDriver

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kormoc:

monkeyBox, yeah, just found that.

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** kormoc peers at x log **

[07:39:17]

kormoc:

monkeyBox, ooh, that's not the x log, care to post that?

[07:39:24]

monkeyBox:

sure...

[07:41:39]

monkeyBox:

you'll see at ln 437 it detects the DFP native res

[07:42:16]

monkeyBox:

... and later @ ln 2022, where it says "no mode if this name"

[07:42:58]

monkeyBox:

I'm wondering if line 1136 has anything to do with it

[07:43:04]

monkeyBox:

(WW) (1280x1024,Monitor0) mode clock 157.5MHz exceeds DDC maximum 150MHz

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hads:

monkeyBox: What motherboard are you using (just out of interest)?

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monkeyBox:

hads: Abit IL-90MV

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hads:

Cheers

[07:45:36]

monkeyBox:

Seems like a nice mobo, if I could only get video to work :-P

[07:45:37]

anykey:

If I had two stb's of the same time, can I use a dual-headed ir-transmitter from irblaster.info with lirc and use SET_TRANSMITTER with irsend?

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monkeyBox:

kormoc: any ideas yet?

[07:46:25]

kormoc:

monkeyBox, perhaps... I'll have a xorg.conf for you to try in a minute

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monkeyBox:

cool thx!

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kormoc:

monkeyBox, how much ram do you have on this box?

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monkeyBox:

kormoc: 1GB (2x512)

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kormoc:

erm, monkeyBox

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monkeyBox:

kormoc: nope, didn't work.

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kormoc:

monkeyBox, log?

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** monkeyBox is pasting **

[07:54:10]

monkeyBox:

That got rid of the clock error, at least...

[07:56:56]

monkeyBox:

What is DDC anyways?

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kormoc:

it's a way for monitors to report to the videocard what they can do, but it doesn't always work

[07:57:43]

kormoc:

monkeyBox, so erm, do you have the kernel drivers for the card loaded?

[07:58:05]

kormoc:

line 2098 points to no, but it could be worng

[07:58:07]

kormoc:

*wrong

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monkeyBox:

hmm....

[07:59:39]

monkeyBox:

looks like I don't have CONFIG_DRM_I915 set in my kernel .config

[07:59:52]

monkeyBox:

would that cause the high-res to not work though?

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kormoc:

It might

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monkeyBox:

ok, I'll try and enable it

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kormoc:

a module should work well enough, so you don't need to reboot

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monkeyBox:

grr nope

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kormoc:

hrm, new log? :P

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robbie:

hi all

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robbie:

so i updated to .20 and now there is no text in the frontend, the theme bitmaps are there though

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robbie:

and if i work my way to setup i can see the drop down boxes etc

[08:07:33]

Dagmar:

robbie: Turn off the OpenGL paint engine

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robbie:

ok

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robbie:

in xorg.conf just comment out the module ?

[08:07:51]

Dagmar:

It's *one* of the things that can break font rendering in the menus

[08:07:54]

Dagmar:

No, in the frontend setup

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robbie:

hmm

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robbie:

i'll try

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hads:

heh

[08:08:13]

robbie:

hard to navigate

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robbie:

when there is no frontend front

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robbie:

can i just edit something in the settings table ?

[08:08:40]

Dagmar:

The bug will only affect the menus, they won't affect the setup stuff

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robbie:

i need menus to get to setup :)

[08:08:57]

Dagmar:

Up arrow, enter, up arrow, enter.

[08:08:58]

robbie:

perfect catch 22 :))

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hads:

I believe it's ThemePainter in the settings table

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robbie:

currently set to qt

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Dagmar:

Oh well

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Dagmar:

I suggest you go hassle whoever made your packages then

[08:11:01]

robbie:

i used the source

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hads:

Hmm, hassle yourself? ;)

[08:11:20]

kormoc:

monkeyBox, what's the tv/monitor?

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robbie:

heh

[08:12:53]

monkeyBox:

kormoc: Westinghouse LVM-42w2

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monkeyBox:

42" LCD 1080p

[08:13:56]

monkeyBox:

heh I bought this mobo thinking it'd be the perfect HTPC mobo... unfortunately I think I'm the first to try it in linux

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robbie:

bugger

[08:14:10]

robbie:

perfect

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robbie:

bah

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** kormoc waves **

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monkeyBox:

although if you have any extra ideas, feel free to pm me :)

[08:15:33]

monkeyBox:

thanks

[08:16:29]

hads:

Does look like a nice board for a HTPC, faster/more SATA channels would be nice though.

[08:16:46]

hads:

and if the graphics work that is

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** robbie likes his epia **

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robbie:

the xbox made a nice frontend till the dvd broke

[08:17:13]

robbie:

gotta give microsoft kudos for making top notch linux hardware

[08:17:19]

** monkeyBox used to like his epia, until he tried to push 1080p through it **

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hads:

What board monkeyBox?

[08:18:49]

monkeyBox:

hads: I used to have the epia M10000, but it failed miserably at playing HD (as expected).

[08:19:08]

monkeyBox:

that's why I did a little research and bought the IL-90MV

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hads:

Mmm, I saw a post on the linpvr forums about someone doing 1080p with a CN400 based board.

[08:19:48]

monkeyBox:

Hopefully I'll be able to figure out this video resolution issue :)

[08:19:59]

monkeyBox:

kormoc: great, one last try!

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monkeyBox:

(for tonight, anyways)

[08:20:12]

kormoc:

:)

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monkeyBox:

nope, still no-go

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monkeyBox:

:(

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kormoc:

sad

[08:26:10]

monkeyBox:

oh well, I need some shut-eye. I'll attack this again tomorrow. Thanks again for your help!

[08:26:17]

Dagmar:

So are you even reading these things before you pastebin them?

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** kormoc waves **

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kormoc:

you're welcome

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Dagmar:

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but line 2207 says "(EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)" and that might well be something significant.

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kormoc:

Dagmar, nah, that's okay, that's only the AIGLX module, the kernel DRM module is loaded fine, see line 2103 to 2018

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kormoc:

the main issue is really line 1996, where it completely seems to ignore the mode

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Dagmar:

I have my doubts abut that... "(EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering" Maybe not everythings on the same page about what's doing the rendering...

[08:29:01]

Dagmar:

I'd at least look into nuking what's causing it to try to load that shared object file.

[08:29:10]

kormoc:

Aye, it won't be hardware accelerated, but that shouldn't affect modes/resolutions

[08:29:21]

kormoc:

yeah, it should ge tfixed

[08:30:04]

Dagmar:

I'm figuring that's the loose thread that might be the only telltale relating to a genuine bug

[08:31:40]

kormoc:

well, I'm a tad more worried about, "(WW) I810(0): Bad V_BIOS checksum", but meh, it's all strange

[08:31:51]

Dagmar:

Yep. That's a scary one

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Dagmar:

I read logs from bottom to top, I should know something more in a few minutes

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Dagmar:

I think perhaps all those modes where everything is set to zero might also be a telltale

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kormoc:

yeah... that's really a sign that the driver isn't quite right, as those should always be set even if the card can't handle them

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kormoc:

anyway, I'm gonna head to bed too

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** kormoc waves **

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justinh:

the xbox is too loud & slow to make a good mythtv frontend

[08:36:41]

justinh:

robbie: you need to upgrade your themes

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** Dagmar smacks himself in the forehead **

[08:37:09]

Dagmar:

I bet you're right

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xris:

justinh: need an auto-updater

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Dagmar:

I couldn't remember what the other main cause of that was

[08:37:20]

Dagmar:

That's it

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Dagmar:

I dont' think he put the modelines in his xorg.conf correctly, since it seems to be claiming there is no 1920x1080 mode

[08:38:28]

justinh:

xris: don't look at me :) Unless you want a perl update script

[08:38:50]

xris:

need a good way to keep them up to date, too... wouldn't want to re-download the whole thing every time.

[08:38:56]

Dagmar:

Perhaps something that calls svn. ;)

[08:38:58]

xris:

actually, a web downloader would be really easy.

[08:39:13]

xris:

I could pretty easily write a perl script to do it.

[08:39:23]

justinh:

isn't it already a given that if you build from source you copy the whole themes too? there's no telling what changes between revisions

[08:39:41]

clever:

how much work would it be for networkcontrol.cpp to pass the 'query location' on to a plugin thats active

[08:39:42]

justinh:

it'd mean pulling some 3rd party themes into svn too

[08:39:45]

Dagmar:

justinh: yeah, but I can see where people might get lazy and stop doing that

[08:39:56]

justinh:

so, damn the lazy people

[08:39:57]

clever:

so if i query location while using mythmusic it would show the current song

[08:40:00]

Dagmar:

...since they themes don't change all that often.

[08:40:16]

Dagmar:

You get a little tired of doing the SVN update and seeing nothing new come down, so after awhile people are probably skippin git

[08:40:20]

justinh:

Dagmar: wanna bet? you know how many theme elements have changed in the last 12 months?

[08:40:23]

clever:

or just add a diff query for that type of info

[08:40:39]

justinh:

and by the time I get busy with the source there's gonna be more

[08:40:39]

Dagmar:

justinh: I know how many identical tarballs i've gotten from 0.20-fixes

[08:41:16]

Dagmar:

justinh: I know changes happen but they don't happen very often, and it's likely some people are getting lazy and not updating when they should because they have grown to expect there won't actually BE an update to get

[08:41:59]

Dagmar:

An automatic updater for themes is not a bad idea at all those

[08:42:05]

Dagmar:

s/those/though/;

[08:42:06]

justinh:

so, I say let them be lazy & face the consequences. the more foolproof you make something, bigger fools will evolve IMHO

[08:42:24]

hads:

Good call!

[08:43:02]

Dagmar:

I'm talking about aside from the issue of laziness. A theme updater would be useful

[08:43:51]

Dagmar:

If not for production installs, definitely it would be useful for people working up themes, or for theme authors to be able to push out incremental updates

[08:44:03]

justinh:

svn, ftw :)

[08:44:06]

Dagmar:

Yep

[08:44:22]

justinh:

I'm definitely against making theming easier

[08:44:27]

justinh:

dead against it

[08:44:36]

Dagmar:

I've got no argument there.

[08:44:43]

Dagmar:

I've seen enough eyesores to agree with you.

[08:45:05]

hads:

Hmm, seems like an odd thing to say

[08:45:23]

justinh:

hads: how many winamp skins are there? and how many usable ones?

[08:45:56]

Dagmar:

I would, however, rather see the way themes work become more orthagonal.

[08:46:22]

Dagmar:

Being difficult as a barrier to entry is fine, but there's things about it now that border on masochistic

[08:46:32]

hads:

No idea, I haven't used Windows for years :) I can sort of see where you are coming from, but it's not like you have to use or even see the crap themes that people come up with.

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justinh:

well, that's going to change soon

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robbie:

nah, tried that

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Dagmar:

justinh: eh?

[08:47:06]

justinh:

hads: a flood of shitty themes will be bad for the project

[08:47:28]

justinh:

Dagmar: you read the ticket about libmythui ?

[08:47:42]

Dagmar:

justinh: Which one?

[08:47:45]

hads:

I don't see how, people can see that they aren't official or related to the project.

[08:47:57]

Dagmar:

Or is this the general "everyone should be using libmytui" thing that hasn't seemed to gain much ground?

[08:48:06]

justinh:

Dagmar: ticket twenty-something

[08:48:20]

justinh:

it's a big task

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Dagmar:

justinh: Good enough range to dig through... just a moment...

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justinh:

2 digit number, first in the list of open tickets

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Dagmar:

12 is a bit far from 2000. ;)

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justinh:

I said twenty-something

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majost:

I don't suppose anyone would want to help me out with some modeline/option stuff to try and get my HDMI video card to output 1920x1080 to my HDMI tv

[08:50:07]

justinh:

not meaning 20xx

[08:50:10]

majost:

heh

[08:52:07]

justinh:

I especially like the part about making common stuff have inheritances – like selection boxes. define a list box once etc...

[08:52:20]

** Dagmar drools. **

[08:52:25]

justinh:

and splitting ui.xml into managable chunks

[08:52:46]

Dagmar:

Well, an #include-style directive could do that I suspect

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xris:

majost: have you tried `X -configure` ?

[08:52:55]

majost:

heh

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xris:

and with that, I bid you all good night.

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justinh:

night xris

[08:53:05]

majost:

well, its a little more complicated

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justinh:

majost: try googling to find your make & model of TV & see if there's already a modeline for it

[08:54:27]

majost:

The EDID information sent back to the machine is pretty much invalid

[08:54:47]

Dagmar:

Doubt it

[08:54:54]

majost:

justinh: yeah... I did, no luck it seems

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majost:

=/

[08:55:44]

justinh:

so try setting EDID to be ignored

[08:56:10]

justinh:

Option "Ignore EDID" "1" or whatever

[08:56:22]

Dagmar:

I have yet to see DDC report a non-computer-centric mode

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majost:

I should dump my config to pastebin

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majost:

one sec

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Dagmar:

*GA modes are all I've ever seen reported through that mechanism

[08:57:56]

Dagmar:

If you're wanting a 1080 mode, afaik it's going to require a modeline statement

[08:59:29]

majost:

well

[08:59:36]

majost:

these are the ones I have tried thus far

[09:00:09]

majost:

I have been just commenting out the disfunctional ones

[09:00:32]

majost:

so far.. all disfuntional

[09:00:37]

majost:

as for options

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Dagmar:

Okay, so you've got a 1920x1080 mode defined there. What does X say about it when you try to use it?

[09:01:06]

justinh:

what modes does the tv say it supports?

[09:01:28]

majost:

Option "AllowDDCCI" "false"

[09:01:28]

majost:

Option "UseEDID" "FALSE"

[09:01:57]

Dagmar:

majost: We don't much need to know the options

[09:02:08]

majost:

np

[09:02:15]

Dagmar:

X and the display, when possible, actually talk to each other to work out what can be done.

[09:02:21]

jduggan:

http://www.hdforall.org.uk

[09:02:24]

Dagmar:

THAT is the stuff we're interested in hearing about

[09:02:29]

jduggan:

brits petition for this

[09:02:30]

jduggan:

:|

[09:02:33]

majost:

well, its kinda relevant because previously it was just forcing a lower resolution based on the EDID information

[09:03:29]

Dagmar:

Okay, so problems you have already solved are a concern to us why?

[09:03:30]

justinh:

jduggan: we also petition against the proposed & majorly evil road pricing scheme

[09:03:40]

jduggan:

heh

[09:03:54]

jduggan:

it cant do no harm

[09:03:55]

justinh:

free HDTV would be the icing on the cake

[09:04:00]

Dagmar:

I don't know whether or not you're being serious about that petition

[09:04:00]

jduggan:

and may actually bring hdtv

[09:04:27]

justinh:

jduggan: may even bring hdtv at the expense of the fucktardish shopping/quiz channels too!

[09:04:28]

jduggan:

Dagmar: im being serious about supporting it, whether or not ofcom pay any attention...

[09:04:35]

jduggan:

justinh: yeap :)

[09:04:38]

Dagmar:

Allow me to, as a citizen of the US, assure you that if you DON'T fight them, fascists will take away all the spectrum until there's next to none left.

[09:05:06]

jduggan:

justinh: and all of those pay for channels over freeview

[09:05:10]

jduggan:

which is just, uhm, stupid

[09:05:30]

majost:

http://pastebin.ca/353327

[09:05:35]

Dagmar:

Were it not for a few disasters recently where ham operators got to strut their stuff, we'd have probably sold off all the frequencies to private companies by now

[09:05:40]

majost:

thats a snippet of the important stuff

[09:05:52]

majost:

I can put the whole thing up too if needed

[09:06:06]

justinh:

jduggan: and Murdoch can burn in hell for the ad he ran on $ky at the weekend

[09:06:14]

Dagmar:

"cannot computer backend DFP timings" is clear enough

[09:06:20]

justinh:

saying "your cable co may soon lose $ky channels"

[09:06:23]

Dagmar:

majost: Where's your complete xorg.conf?

[09:06:49]

majost:

one sec

[09:07:01]

jduggan:

justinh: yea i read about that

[09:07:13]

jduggan:

justinh: or make cable customers pay a higher premium for them

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justinh:

I've already signed http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/openhdtv/

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Dibblah:

justinh: Huh? What ad?

[09:08:30]

justinh:

I brought it to the attention of the lusers list a while ago – the OFCOM consultation – no replies to that thread

[09:09:58]

majost:

[09:10:08]

justinh:

like as if it's going to make people suddenly leap from cable to satellite

[09:10:17]

majost:

ack

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majost:

brb

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jduggan:

justinh: i think for a number of customers, they would

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jduggan:

especially the sport fans

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justinh:

there's a reason I haven't got satellite already – I hate $KY already and tactics like that don't make me want to give them a cuddle

[09:10:57]

jduggan:

heh

[09:11:05]

majost:

heh

[09:11:17]

Dibblah:

They're a business, not a $5 hooker.

[09:11:22]

justinh:

I know it's business, but there's a line between making a profit & being evil

[09:11:35]

majost:

I think that the pastebin truncated my file

[09:11:49]

justinh:

well, like I'd really miss $ky One, but that's not the point

[09:11:55]

majost:

oh

[09:11:59]

majost:

wait... wrong box

[09:12:00]

majost:

hah

[09:12:23]

Dibblah:

Why? You like reruns of old merkin stuff?

[09:12:44]

hads:

I do :)

[09:13:25]

Dibblah:

By that of course I mean I live part-time in the states and see it all there, of course ;)

[09:13:39]

majost:

http://pastebin.ca/353337

[09:13:40]

majost:

there

[09:13:46]

majost:

that is my complete xorg.conf

[09:14:06]

majost:

doh

[09:14:53]

majost:

I just noticed I forgot the VertRefresh

[09:15:07]

majost:

dunno if that matters too much for an LCD though

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Dagmar:

It could keep it from being able to compute the figures it needs

[09:20:28]

Dagmar:

So you have a JVD HD-ILA TV then?

[09:20:51]

majost:

well thats the part I am wondering about... can I just tell it what the answers should be to its computation?

[09:20:55]

majost:

yup

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Dagmar:

No, you can't.

[09:21:04]

majost:

darn

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Dagmar:

Now that you've actually given it information about both horizontal and vertical refresh rates, AND MADE SURE THEY'RE THE RIGHT VALUES HINT HINT, try starting X again

[09:22:42]

majost:

I get a black screen

[09:25:03]

majost:

I will play with the h/v sync a bit though...

[09:25:11]

majost:

forgot about those two

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majost:

so is it pretty common with HDTVs to have a strangly low pixel clock?

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Dagmar:

How would you define "strangely low"?

[09:35:10]

Dagmar:

How low does it have to be to be "strangely"?

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radi0head:

Lol

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majost:

165.0

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majost:

suppose it is low for what I aim to accomplish

[09:35:44]

majost:

heh

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Dagmar:

So, again, what makes that "strangely low"?

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majost:

I will take that as a yes.

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majost:

;P

[09:36:39]

majost:

heh

[09:39:58]

majost:

"Display and MPEG2 decoding are done on the host computer in software"

[09:40:38]

majost:

ah... encoding

[09:40:42]

majost:

hah

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anykey:

If I had two stb's of the same time, can I use a dual-headed ir-transmitter from irblaster.info with lirc and use SET_TRANSMITTER with irsend?

[09:41:39]

anykey:

err, time is type... :)

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justinh:

mark487: no it doesn't

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justinh:

it's a HDTV card for OTA (maybe QAM too) and an NTSC lamegrabber

[09:55:40]

justinh:

it is wrong to want to kill a Vista fanboy so he'll STFU?

[09:58:08]

justinh:

cleverca: wtf are you playing at?

[09:58:34]

cleverca:

?

[09:59:14]

justinh:

cleverca [n=clever@fctnnbsc16w-156034212113.nb.aliant.net ] requested CTCP VERSION from justinh:

[09:59:24]

cleverca:

that was hours ago:P

[09:59:59]

Dagmar:

Maybe if someone he knows is run down by an illegal alien after having a six pack, he'll change his tune

[09:59:59]

cleverca:

back at 01:08 local time

[10:00:04]

Dagmar:

drat wrong channel

[10:00:07]

cleverca:

allmost 4 hours ago

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Dagmar:

justinh: Those aren't killings, they're "downsizing the idiot surplus"

[10:00:18]

justinh:

cleverca: so what were you playing at?

[10:00:27]

Dagmar:

justinh: I would hardly consider him a threat.

[10:00:31]

cleverca:

wanted to see if you where using a windows or a linux client

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Dagmar:

...like, not even if your client response was "Holezeriffic IRC client beta 0.01 (buffer overflows enabled)"

[10:01:28]

cleverca:

lol

[10:01:57]

cleverca:

looks like its the exact same irssi version as me

[10:02:17]

quicksilver:

well it's not like CTCP VERSIONs are considered rude

[10:02:29]

quicksilver:

if you don't like it, I imagine you can find a client which allows you to turn it off

[10:02:33]

cleverca:

ctcp #mythtv-users version is more rude:P

[10:03:02]

cleverca:

in mirc you can set a ctcp ignore on *!*@*

[10:03:12]

justinh:

so wtf did you want to know which chat client I use, asshole?

[10:03:13]

cleverca:

disabling all ctcp's to your mirc

[10:03:31]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o justinh

[10:03:33]

cleverca:

was in the middle of making a mirc script for remote controling myth frontend

[10:03:35]

Dagmar:

ALT-F4 does a better job.

[10:03:47]

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cleverca:

wondered if a random user from here even used mirc

[10:03:53]

cleverca:

ow

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Dagmar:

Mores the point, ALT-F4 will actually block all CTCP, where that bind will *not*.

[10:04:18]

cleverca:

lol

[10:04:44]

** clever goes off to sleep **

[10:04:45]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o justinh

[10:05:03]

** justinh makes a note to use kickban next time **

[10:05:06]

clever:

lol

[10:05:14]

Dagmar:

I miss nestea.

[10:05:20]

** clever makes note not to piss off or probe justinh in any way **

[10:05:24]

Dagmar:

It made solving these problems much easier.

[10:05:37]

justinh:

try sending me a msg

[10:05:47]

clever:

i'll just goto sleep:P

[10:05:48]

justinh:

that pisses me off real good

[10:06:47]

** Dagmar encourages justinh's righteous fury. **

[10:07:27]

hads:

Angry justinh

[10:07:58]

Dagmar:

Okay. Sometimes I really wish CNN weren't so picky about protecting children.

[10:08:36]

Dagmar:

These two girls who cancelled school for their district by simply hacking the website and putting up a "school closed due to snow" announcement--when there was no snow and none in the forecast, I would send pizzas if I knew who and where they were.

[10:09:32]

justinh:

I don't like being probed by retards

[10:09:55]

Dagmar:

I totally understand. You've no idea where they've been putting their fingers.

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justinh:

I'll just make my ever-increasing ignore list longer

[10:17:16]

galorin:

How easy would it be for me to migrate my existing myth install from one hard drive to a different hard drive?

[10:18:13]

justinh:

depends. if you have a clue, not hard

[10:21:58]

justinh:

pfft. "does freeview work in mythtv?". How did I end up being surrounded by retards?

[10:22:08]

Dibblah:

galorin: And that clue can be found with your lifelong companion: Google!

[10:22:42]

Dibblah:

Or the online manual. Your choice ;)

[10:24:56]

galorin:

so I don't need a firewalking ritual in order to manage it, just shift the database to my newly installed system. Cool.

[10:25:23]

justinh:

there's even a wiki page about it IIRC

[10:25:43]

galorin:

well, along with the several dozen gigs of recorded TV, movies and music

[10:26:35]

justinh:

so long as you end up mounting the drive & dirs to the same places, it shouldn't be a hassle

[10:27:16]

galorin:

that could be interesting for the tv... external storage for my recordings.

[10:28:30]

justinh:

if you can always rely on usb drives, yeah

[10:29:40]

Dagmar:

justinh: "How did I end up being surrounded by retards?"... You ran an IRC client.

[10:29:46]

galorin:

that's part of the problem. external drive is less than happy, and my raid5 array is experiencing multiple-disk failure.

[10:29:53]

Dagmar:

ouuuuch

[10:30:03]

quicksilver:

I had a strange one this morning

[10:30:06]

Dagmar:

Thermal problem maybe?

[10:30:11]

quicksilver:

failure on raid disk, so I try to rebuild by hand

[10:30:15]

galorin:

no, just old drives.

[10:30:18]

Dagmar:

Ah

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quicksilver:

but when I reboot into single user, stupid devmapper steals the partitions

[10:30:28]

quicksilver:

and mdadm can't use them because they're busy :(

[10:30:37]

Dagmar:

I much prefer to stagger them when possible to avoid MTBF being all at one point

[10:31:05]

quicksilver:

banged my head for a while before someone pointed out that init=/bin/sh bypasses devmapper and gives me my partitions back

[10:31:08]

Dibblah:

I like the having a hotspare option.

[10:31:21]

justinh:

whee naughty user posting in the wrong forum

[10:31:24]

quicksilver:

this devmapper stuff doesn't appear to be documented in any of the places I was looking though

[10:31:41]

Dibblah:

justinh: Thought there weren't any Myth fora? ;)

[10:32:02]

hads:

quicksilver: Yeah, init=/bin/bash is useful to know.

[10:32:12]

Dagmar:

Especially when you don't know the root password. ;)

[10:32:23]

hads:

:)

[10:32:26]

justinh:

Dibblah: mythtvalk.com

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quicksilver:

I knew about init=/bin/sh

[10:32:47]

quicksilver:

but I didn't realise it would bypass devmapper

[10:32:54]

justinh:

it's not mentioned on the official site cos most of the devs hate forums with a passion

[10:33:03]

quicksilver:

there is much about the 'order that things happen' in a modern kernel that I don't understand

[10:33:06]

justinh:

I'm starting to see their point

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Dagmar:

quicksilver: It prevents all init scripts from being run, one of those is what's kicking devmapper into gear.

[10:33:23]

quicksilver:

Dagmar: *nod*

[10:33:35]

quicksilver:

Dagmar: I thought devmapper was kicked into place by the kernel. I'm glad to discover I was wrong :)

[10:33:46]

Dagmar:

Yeah, once you sort out what the kernel does from what the init scripts do, life as an admin gets quite a bit easier

[10:34:06]

quicksilver:

Dagmar: I used to know, back in linux 2.0 days

[10:34:18]

Dagmar:

...and soon you'll be like the rest of us and just sneer at people who ask "how do I start the backend automatically when the system boots?"

[10:34:20]

quicksilver:

Dagmar: I've been a bit left behind by the initrd, devmapper, udev, hotplug mess we have now :)

[10:34:29]

galorin:

ouch, that really isn't a happy array.

[10:34:42]

Dagmar:

Well, I can at least tell you that you can start to ignore hotplug, since it's been consumed wholly by udev now

[10:34:56]

Dagmar:

...and there were definitely some growing pains in there.

[10:35:03]

Dagmar:

...still are, IMHO.

[10:35:10]

** quicksilver nods **

[10:35:27]

quicksilver:

yes, like new version of udev causing your disks to probe in a different order :)

[10:35:33]

quicksilver:

that caused me some pain

[10:35:45]

Dagmar:

Well, the idea is for it to actually be in a consistent order now.

[10:36:01]

quicksilver:

I think the problem is that devmapper could 'see' the LVM meta data on a single component of the RAID

[10:36:10]

Dagmar:

There was definitely a lot of yelping from folks finding out that the order their SATA drives enumerated in was not fixed.

[10:36:21]

quicksilver:

so it 'grabbed' /dev/sda2 and tried to work out my LVM setup

[10:36:26]

** justinh laughs. silly sata users **

[10:36:32]

quicksilver:

(but actually, /dev/sda2 is supposed to be part of a MD device)

[10:36:47]

quicksilver:

but sometimes I guess the metadata is visible even on a single component of the MD

[10:36:53]

Dibblah:

justinh: Nothing wrong with SATA.

[10:36:59]

Dagmar:

quicksilver: More reason to make whole disks into array elements instead of partitions

[10:37:19]

quicksilver:

Dagmar: yah, interesting point

[10:37:25]

quicksilver:

Dagmar: my disks aren't the same size, though :)

[10:37:43]

Dagmar:

You can make different sized disks into an array for JBOD stuff

[10:37:44]

justinh:

still couldn't trust sata as far as I could chuck it, from what I've seen where SiL controllers refuse to talk to some models of disks. SiL are sadly everywhere

[10:37:58]

Dagmar:

It could have been worse.

[10:39:02]

justinh:

it's crazy

[10:39:02]

Dagmar:

Not only would the drives not actually drop back to the slower SATA speeds, when we called Maxtor about it, they sent us the *wrong firmware* to flash the drives with.

[10:39:26]

Dagmar:

i.e, they sent us the firmware for IDE disks, which summarily killed the first drive, and I just flat out refused to apply the "fix" to the other one.

[10:39:56]

quicksilver:

Dagmar: well I didn't want to JBOD because that's increasing your chance of failure. That's why I decided to RAID5 to get resilience against a single hardware failure. Maybe wrong choice.

[10:39:59]

justinh:

sounds like seagate

[10:40:19]

Dagmar:

I've never had Seagate DS reps argue with me about what firmware they sent

[10:40:26]

Dagmar:

s/DS/CS/;

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hads:

I've had a good run with Seagate

[10:40:56]

Dagmar:

I was on the phone telling this guy I thought the firmware was for IDE disks and he swore up and down that it wasn't.

[10:41:20]

Dagmar:

Wouldn't escalate the call, either.

[10:41:45]

Dagmar:

I was like, "well, it's you guys sucking up the cost of the RMA, so here goes nothing... ...Yep. It's dead now."

[10:41:53]

hads:

hah

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Dibblah:

_they can't_.

[10:50:54]

Dibblah:

They're not thinking. They're following the script. Because if they don't follow the script, they're fired.

[10:51:19]

justinh:

I've seen firmware problems on PATA HDDs never mind sata

[10:51:20]

Dibblah:

Noone ever gets fired for following the script.

[10:51:38]

justinh:

"have you tried rebooting?"

[10:51:56]

justinh:

"actually yes, it's rebooting that causes the problem"

[10:51:58]

justinh:

"ah"

[10:52:59]

** Dibblah wonders if getting mythrecipe working is worth it, given the state of the code. **

[10:53:22]

justinh:

I made a watermark for it :)

[10:53:34]

justinh:

did for mythFM too

[10:54:13]

Dibblah:

And when will Jochen start _reading_ tickets instead of titles?

[10:54:54]

justinh:

when the -dev list becomes less like -users

[10:55:15]

Dibblah:

Actually, it's not too bad at teh moment.

[11:07:40]

Dagmar:

Does this mean I could maybe get that ticket of mine looked at if I named it "Unpublished Tricia Helfer pics in new theme"?

[11:07:55]

Dagmar:

;)

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justinh:

yaharrrr! my new eyepiece has arrived

[11:27:26]

Dagmar:

Eyepiece?

[11:27:31]

Dagmar:

You wear a monacle?

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justinh:

I know I'm English but isn't that paking the tiss?

[11:28:52]

justinh:

magnifying eyeglass

[11:29:03]

Dagmar:

I have *no* idea what "paking the tiss" means.

[11:29:21]

Dagmar:

Hopefully it has nothing to do with food.

[11:29:34]

justinh:

paking the tiss == spoonerism

[11:29:43]

Dagmar:

I take it you have severe astigmatisms then?

[11:30:05]

justinh:

no, but find it limiting my eyes don't have 9x magnification as standard

[11:30:15]

Dagmar:

Ah... I'm hellishly nearsighted.

[11:30:35]

Dagmar:

Without my glasses or contacts I might as well be starting at magnification 15 or so.

[11:30:55]

Dagmar:

Of course, if my glasses were only about 2mm across, that would be great in the mornings when I didnt' sleep in my contacts.

[11:31:03]

justinh:

I was told I didn't actually need glasses last time I had an eye test

[11:31:11]

Dagmar:

I need 'em.

[11:31:17]

justinh:

but being the contrary sod I am, I decided to get em anyway

[11:31:37]

Dagmar:

A cop once gave me hell because he couldn't tell I was wearing contacts and my license said I had to be wearing glasses.

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quicksilver:

Dagmar: the easy solution to that is to pull out your longbow and spear an apple off a tree at 800 yards

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justinh:

prescription has actually got weaker in the last few years. like 1.5 diopters

[11:32:14]

Dagmar:

I almost hated to break it to him that without my glasses I would be lucky to find my car in my own driveway, let alone get it out of the parking lot and onto the interstate.

[11:32:28]

justinh:

0.5 both eyes, where it was almost 2.0 before

[11:32:50]

Dagmar:

I'm at like 1.85 on one eye and 1.65 on the other.

[11:33:10]

justinh:

that's not as bad as you make out, unless the axis is something ridiculous

[11:33:25]

Dagmar:

...or at least that's what the numbers on the little boxes say. There's whole worlds of cosmetic lens manufacturers who want nothing to do with me.

[11:33:51]

justinh:

I don't think even 1.85 is a jamjar lens

[11:34:29]

justinh:

I worked in an opto lab for a week, assembling glasses

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Dagmar:

jamjar?

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justinh:

i.e. really thick lenses ;)

[11:35:12]

pat_:

coke bottle lenses

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Dagmar:

Oh between the astigmatism and the 80/20 vision, I am WELL into jamjar-land.

[11:35:22]

Dagmar:

...which is why i was damn glad contacts were invented.

[11:36:12]

Dagmar:

Even my little Ben Franklin style glasses are about 3/16 of an inch at the edges

[11:36:39]

justinh:

I think I can remember seeing a pair of 3.0 lenses. something like that'd need a counterbalance on the back of the glasses surely

[11:36:52]

Dagmar:

Until I got extended wear lenses, the most frequent cause of me cleaning my monitor was to remove the *nose marks* I was leaving on it when I'd get up in the morning without glasses or contacts.

[11:37:02]

justinh:

oof

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Merlin83b:

You guys have good eyes :)

[11:38:03]

** Merlin83b is -3 dioptres in both. **

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Merlin83b:

...and wears contact lenses.

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justinh:

now that's what I call jamjars

[11:38:30]

Merlin83b:

The glasses I have are actually rather thin.

[11:38:45]

justinh:

yay for hi-index lenses (tm)

[11:39:07]

Merlin83b:

Indeedy. I never wear them though, just a legal requirement that I carry them when flying.

[11:39:47]

Dagmar:

jesus

[11:40:21]

Merlin83b:

Nope.

[11:40:30]

Dagmar:

I guess what with planes being kept far away from each other tho I guess if you can see it unaided you're already too close to it

[11:40:45]

Merlin83b:

Heh, I couldn't see the end of the nose unaided :)

[11:40:51]

Dagmar:

Same here

[11:41:01]

Merlin83b:

There are two limits, one for private pilots, one for professional. I'm well within both.

[11:41:09]

Dagmar:

For awhile I wasn't able to count my own fingers on the end of my arm without glasses

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quicksilver:

Dagmar: you could have cheated, by memorising how many you had

[11:41:45]

Dagmar:

quicksilver: Bah cheating is wrong

[11:41:52]

quicksilver:

you're only cheating yourself

[11:42:51]

Dagmar:

Cheating is only acceptable in single-player games.

[11:43:08]

Dagmar:

...and when the girl is _really_ hot.

[11:43:12]

Merlin83b:

Heh.

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justinh:

yeah 2 player games don't easily convert to 3-player

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justinh:

anybody running mythtv on that new intel teraflop processor?

[12:27:04]

qu0zl:

lol

[12:28:26]

qu0zl:

not yet justinh but I did want to talk to you about PM'ing the port

[12:28:32]

qu0zl:

after you're finished with MythWii

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justinh:

of course

[12:37:08]

Dagmar:

wow an actual technical question about heap sorts on a forum

[12:37:31]

Dagmar:

qu0zl: Someone's found a good flash player?

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justinh:

contradiction in terms?

[12:38:06]

justinh:

good — flash

[12:38:07]

justinh:

?

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Dagmar:

Well, it would definitely be easier to do it with that than it would be to both bypass Nintendo's code signature checks and get media player ported to that architecture.

[12:38:47]

Dagmar:

...and last.fm and YouTube seem to work well enough on them.

[12:38:59]

qu0zl:

lol Dagmar, i was only kidding :)

[12:39:02]

Dagmar:

I'm halfway expecting last.fm to add a redirect for Opera

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justinh:

yeah but aren't all of youtube's videos a bit – I mean a lot on the shitty quality side?

[12:39:17]

qu0zl:

i'd say a upnp client will arrive for the wii soon enough and that'll support mythtv automagically

[12:39:24]

qu0zl:

very much so justinh

[12:39:28]

Dagmar:

Yeah, but you can actually encode more data than most of those do

[12:39:49]

Dagmar:

I don't think the mere presence of a uPnP client will make the thing able to play video. :/

[12:40:12]

qu0zl:

well, a upnp video player such as vlc

[12:40:16]

Dagmar:

It would probably be easier to get X able to understand the Wiimote as an input device

[12:40:19]

qu0zl:

there's mod chips for the wii already that allow homebrew

[12:40:29]

Dagmar:

mod chips == teh evil

[12:40:52]

Dagmar:

...and work on that has stalled again, afaik.

[12:40:53]

qu0zl:

well for real homebrew stuff like xbmc i don't think they're evil

[12:41:04]

justinh:

xbmc is very very naughty

[12:41:06]

Dagmar:

Their last update shut everything but homebrew GC images right the heck out.

[12:41:30]

qu0zl:

don't think so dagmar, there's 3 out there now that work

[12:41:35]

qu0zl:

and it's only out a couple of months

[12:41:36]

Dagmar:

I've been keeping an eye on that because, yes, I am bastard enough to be actively looking for ways to exploit the amil client.

[12:41:41]

Dagmar:

s/amil/mail/;

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justinh:

xbmc needs warez to build it, therefore it's bad

[12:42:11]

qu0zl:

that's true justinh

[12:42:17]

justinh:

I wonder how bored of making the open source framework for the xbox the devs got

[12:42:34]

justinh:

and in english

[12:42:47]

justinh:

I wonder how bored the xbox open source framework developers got

[12:43:22]

Dagmar:

Wiinja is as close as I've seen anyone purport to get

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justinh:

ah. no releases since 2005. rofl

[12:44:13]

qu0zl:

there's been 2 newer ones since Wiinja Dagmar

[12:44:34]

Dagmar:

Okay, that's newer than my info then. Last I looked was a little over a week ago

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justinh:

arghh another whiny user complaining because I accused him of being lazy

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justinh:

I resign. AGAIN

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justinh:

long live linux elitism!

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Hoxzer:

Can somebody point out good dvb card matrix (mythwiki's is outdated)

[13:28:11]

justinh:

the wiki at linuxtv.org

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Hoxzer:

thx

[13:28:41]

justinh:

or read the channel faq – now hey there's a revolutionary idea!

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Dagmar:

reeding iz hard

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kayelem:

Nooooooooooooooooo! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! Help! i'm being absorbed by YouTube again... must. drag. self. away. from. computer Nnnnnnnnghhh... >_<

[14:11:01]

justinh:

heheh

[14:11:51]

kayelem:

I really have better things to do than watch short dodgy amateur videos.

[14:11:55]

kayelem:

I think.

[14:12:39]

kayelem:

Just one more. Then I go Do Stuff. Maybe... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoc9vUlu-BE

[14:12:51]

kayelem:

(WS)

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justinh:

I've announced my resignation from the forum

[14:14:38]

justinh:

prolly have a bit of a problem if I can't just sit here & ignore wetnurse-needing users, but it's a quick fix

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kayelem:

I have a nasty habit of losing my patience with The Terminally Clueless

[14:16:42]

kayelem:

I'm *very* patient – after all, everyone started somewhere.

[14:19:06]

justinh:

the same basic stuff I'm always moaning about

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justinh:

Ecan'tbearsedtousegoogle

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justinh:

I hope they don't find out how to reproduce

[14:21:31]

justinh:

the emergence of linux desktop distros is making things worse. never thought I'd say that

[14:44:57]

seth|laptop:

question, what would make a remote card (hd air2pc) show up as "Not available" on the master frontend?

[14:45:13]

seth|laptop:

yet it scans for channels just fine on the slave backend

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justinh:

radio cards?

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Smirnov:

d

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Ztripez:

justinh: yeah a FM-radio card.

[15:04:18]

anykey:

Ztripez: there was support for that, but the plugin code is outdated, afaik

[15:05:16]

Ztripez:

anykey: ah.. perhaps i can get it to work with a program in the background or something

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flithm:

hey everyone... does the built in dvd player have controls for brightness and contrast and stuff?

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kslater:

flithm – have you checked the daily operation guide on the wiki site?

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Dagmar:

Dear god why would he do that?>

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Dagmar:

He could catch learning that way!

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kslater:

LOL Dagmar

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kslater:

I'm guilty of the same at times

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flithm:

uhhh... so where is this daily operation guide? I can't find it

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flithm:

ahhh found it

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flithm:

yeah there's nothing on here relating to brightness, contrast, etc and the internal dvd player

[15:55:34]

Dagmar:

Okay.

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Dagmar:

Having spent the last hour or so looking over the forum, I can see j's reasoning

[15:55:56]

Dagmar:

...but they're not lazy. They're terminally retarded.

[15:57:12]

Dagmar:

tcstool: You say "I'll do it if I can fuck your daughter in the ass"

[15:57:22]

Dagmar:

oh god wrong channel wrong channel

[15:57:30]

Dagmar:

That was supposed to be a response to a nigerian spammer.

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Zider:

hahahaha

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moh:

no need to explain...just move along :-)

[15:57:56]

Zider:

seemed a bit misplaced ;)=

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qu0zl:

lol :)

[16:03:00]

Dagmar:

Of all the things to send to the wrong channel... sheesh

[16:05:16]

ctjctj:

do most of you set recordings to pick up a few minutes before and after the show or is that no longer really needed? (coming from the days of VCRs where you would miss things if you didn't add 5 minutes in front and at the end of a recording)

[16:06:30]

moh:

I think I have 1 minute.

[16:06:35]

moh:

use NTP.

[16:06:48]

moh:

60 seconds is probably longer than needed if you have NTP.

[16:07:09]

ctjctj:

Yep, running NTP here.

[16:07:12]

ctjctj:

Thanks.

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Dr_willis:

then ya had that idiotic trend years ago of starting 5 min early by some station.

[16:10:16]

Dr_willis:

Good old Mr. Turner... trying yet another gimmic. :)

[16:10:17]

seth|laptop:

I use the i minute rule with dish network recordings, because of the need for the channel_change script

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ctjctj:

I also noticed that my shows are reporting aproximantly 1hr 15min on a 1hr 4 minute recording. but the recording actually ends at the 1hr 4minute mark

[16:11:55]

ctjctj:

(I was using a 2 minute lead and trail)

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Dr_willis:

heh – on my low end pvr i had. I just set it to record Cartoon Network in 8 hr blocks. :)

[16:18:43]

Dr_willis:

but it dident have 1% of the features MythTV does.

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justinh:

now I just need to stop the support emails coming to my account :)

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Merlin83b:

:0:

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Merlin83b:

/dev/null

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gardengnome:

justinh: ;)

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justinh:

.. and look for a new host for some .bz2 files

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** gardengnome spams support at mythtvtalk.com **

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gardengnome:

justinh: i've got plenty of bandwidth.

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justinh:

I blame ubunut for everything

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gardengnome:

justinh: if you need something, /msg me. i'll probably not answer before tomorrow, though ;)

[16:29:09]

justinh:

okees

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justinh:

my measly 50MB isn't enough :(

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GreyFoxx:

what do you need hosting for ?

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gardengnome:

his themes, i suppose

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh ok

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onewheelskyward:

Does anyone know why gstreamer is so hit or miss with online streams? Sometimes it just refuses to load them.

[16:42:18]

Dagmar:

Because it's gstreamer and that's how it rolls.

[16:42:34]

Dagmar:

...and because online streams are notoriously flaky.

[16:42:43]

Dagmar:

Always verify that the problem isn't on the remote end.

[16:42:48]

Dagmar:

Rather frequently, it is.

[16:44:05]

onewheelskyward:

I just tried 3 separate online services, nothing worked. Then I clicked on the same one twice, and the second time it worked fine.

[16:44:25]

onewheelskyward:

I use this particular stream all the time, on lots of platforms and gstreamer is the only one that gives me issues. Odd stuff.

[16:45:02]

justinh:

I can't draw icons for toffee – well small ones anyway

[16:45:40]

Dagmar:

onewheelskyward: So complain to the person who made the packages for gstreamer.

[16:45:52]

Dagmar:

Packagers don't fix bugs/problems they dont' know about.

[16:46:05]

onewheelskyward:

I'm actually looking to see if I can recompile it with some debug info.

[16:46:27]

onewheelskyward:

I was just wondering if there was something about gstreamer + online that I didn't know about.

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justinh:

I'll refrain from commenting about gstreamer, the mood I'm in

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JoeyJoeJo:

when I'm watching live tv in .20 and a show ends, live tv just freezes.. is this a known issue?

[17:11:46]

jams:

nice nvidia tv-out/dvi configuration is working

[17:11:51]

jams:

now to move on to other cards

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jams:

http://jmeyer.us/e107_plugins/autogallery/aut . . . dvancedX.jpg

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onewheelskyward:

JoeyJoeJo: Definitely not a known issue. Are there any interesting messages in your /var/log/messages or your mythbackend.log?

[17:15:23]

JoeyJoeJo:

let me check

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JoeyJoeJo:

this message is repeated a few times in mythbackend.log: [mpeg @ 0xb74aac10]Parser not found for Codec Id: 94210 !

[17:22:37]

fryfrog:

Is anyone using current svn with mythweb?

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Merlin83b:

I'm a couple of days behind...

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fryfrog:

http://pastebin.ca/353887

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fryfrog:

I'm getting a "failed to open streams" no such file or directory

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fryfrog:

but its there :/

[17:26:01]

fryfrog:

guess i should check apache log, duh

[17:26:51]

fryfrog:

humm, nothing in error log :(

[17:32:05]

fryfrog:

http://pastebin.ca/353898

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fryfrog:

that is the bit of code doing it :)

[17:34:16]

fysa:

it's in Database?

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fysa:

or database?

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fysa:

You could try using an absolute path..

[17:35:20]

fysa:

ah

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fysa:

if there is nothing in error_log, you may be looking at the wrong log.

[17:37:15]

fryfrog:

bah, aparantly svn up didn't get everything

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fryfrog:

i nuked my mythweb, svn up'd and re did it :/

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fryfrog:

did xris revert the changes he'd made to mythweb?

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Ryushin:

The streaming built into mythweb now, is there a way to lower the quality and fps so it will be possible to stream shows over the internet?

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justinh:

Ryushin: for that you still need mythstreamtv

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fryfrog:

oh, shitskies i think i just downgraded from svn head -> svn fixes and forgot i had done it

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fryfrog:

amazingly, it *seems* to be working even w/o a db ... reblumpering

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justinh:

wahey! http://izumi.plan99.net/blog/?p=13

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justinh:

I wish my crappy webspace had a free space indicator

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fryfrog:

could someone running the gentoo myth package pastebin the contents of "runmythfe"?

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fryfrog:

nm, found it online

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Dagmar:

fryfrog: http://pastebin.ca/IT'SOMGOPTIMIZEDZZZ!LOL!@#

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Dagmar:

:D

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fryfrog:

;p

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fryfrog:

i tried it, just in case it worked :)

[18:23:11]

fryfrog:

it didn't :(

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Ryushin:

justinh: OKay, time to work on mythstreamtv again. Thanks.

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justinh:

I need to uninstall it – never plan to actually use it

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justinh:

jees what use is 500MB free webspace if the filesize limit for single files is 650k?! And then you can't store compressed files?!

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gardengnome:

justinh: i can offer you a couple of gigs and a few hundred GB of traffic/month

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justinh:

I'd appreciate that :)

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Dagmar:

justinh: It's for uuencoded porno

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justinh:

haha I was thinking along those lines

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xris:

customer just tried to return a server.. he bought a 1u, which he's using as his desktop machine, and is complaining because it's louder than his laptop.

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** justinh laughs **

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seth|laptop:

heh

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Dagmar:

xris: Revoke his intertubes licence

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gbee:

did that guy having trouble with tv_grab_uk_rt under svn ever come back?

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cesman:

xris: we had less than 10 CD remaining from SCALE!

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justinh:

not AFAIK

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Flustrated:

anyone have experience fixing overscan on an HDTV?

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gbee:

ok, guess I can write his problems off to using a very old version of xmltv

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justinh:

HDTVs, with overscan? man alive! :-P

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justinh:

if it has TV in its name, it very likely has overscan you can't do much about

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Flustrated:

hmm

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Flustrated:

well, when I was running windows, I was able to eliminate the overscan by setting the TV in one mode under 1080i

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justinh:

that's why mythtv has configurable GUI size & position options

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Flustrated:

however, I can't figure out what that mode was, unless I just reinstall windows and take it out

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justinh:

there's a winblows tool called powerstrip that some people have success generating modelines with

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Flustrated:

if I install XP, and get the resolution working, powerstrip will give me the modeline I need?

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justinh:

or you could google & try to find the all-singing all-dancing modeline database & try some out of that

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justinh:

more or less

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Flustrated:

hmm

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Flustrated:

k

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Flustrated:

I'd really like to stay on with linux, I'm entirely frustrated with Windows at this point

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justinh:

or you could google to see if there are already modelines for that TV

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Flustrated:

but I'd like to get this working

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Flustrated:

mmk

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xris:

cesman: awesome

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cesman:

or you could search avsforum.com

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justinh:

cesman: what was this new trick you were trying the other day then? ;)

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cesman:

xris: I stopped by SM's booth and tried to trade pcHDTV 5500 we were giving away for server SM was giving away...

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cesman:

no dice ;)

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ctjctj:

*grins* I want one of those card. Going to order one soon as I get a machine to put it in.

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fryfrog:

hehe

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Majost_WRK:

I found a few modelines last night for my set

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fryfrog:

the easiset thing to do is adjust myth itself to the right size

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Majost_WRK:

but had no luck getting my tv to accept them unfortunatly

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xris:

cesman: lol. go figure.

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Tardy:

hi, i've got Lirc working and i can see my remote presses in "irw", but MythTV won't respond to any presses. Can anyone help me troubleshoot this?

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kormoc:

Tardy, do you have a ~/.mythtv/lircrc ?

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Tardy:

yes

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fryfrog:

its "lircrc" not ".lircrc"

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fryfrog:

make sure you don't have the . :)

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Tardy:

i have .lircrc in /home/mythtv

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fryfrog:

right

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Tardy:

and in /home/mythtv/.mythtv i have a link to it called lircrc

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fryfrog:

ah :/

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Tardy:

yeah

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fryfrog:

what does the log of mythfrontend starting say?

[19:20:27]

Tardy:

where is the frontend log located?

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fryfrog:

try -v important and then pastebin.ca it

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Tardy:

when launching it?

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fryfrog:

start it via cmd line

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fryfrog:

mythfrontend -v important

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fryfrog:

you can use "-l /path/to/a/log.file

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Tardy:

ok, 2 secs, will quit and pastebin it

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fryfrog:

to sent to a file too

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Tardy:

missing argument to -v

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Tardy:

oh

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Tardy:

"important"

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ctjctj:

Is KnoppMythR5E50 using protocol 31?

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cesman:

yes

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Tardy:

fryfrog http://www.pastebin.ca/354069

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Tardy:

i did how ever get a couple of errors that echoed to the terminal rather than the log

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Tardy:

that is the log i just sent u

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fryfrog:

humm, i don't see anything about lirc there :(

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fryfrog:

was the missing stuff anything about lirc?

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Tardy:

ah

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Tardy:

actually i think it was

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Tardy:

just reading

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Tardy:

oh

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Tardy:

bad format line 82 :)

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Tardy:

excellent, i was missing a begin

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Tardy:

cheers

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fryfrog:

SCORE!

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Tardy:

it works!

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Tardy:

thanks fryfrog =)

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fryfrog:

np, glad i didn't actually have to *do* anything :)

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Tardy:

no more getting up to use the keyboard for me ;)

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fryfrog:

rar!

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fryfrog:

diapers, sir. then you don't even have to get up to go to the bathroom!

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gardengnome:

don't forget the "stadium pal"!

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justinh:

set up mythtv the astronautical way! ftw!

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** hjohnson has some amusing stories from a shuttle astronaut regarding not being able to get up and relieve oneself. **

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hjohnson:

(I spent 1.5 months last summer getting sh*tfaced with a couple of astronauts)

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justinh:

what? no porn on the shuttle?

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hjohnson:

justinh: lol, not that I know of.. but there is Vodka on the station.

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justinh:

talk about misappropriation of the word 'awesome'.. now there's something that would be awesome.. drunk in zero-g !

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hjohnson:

I asked the former cheif logistics officer of the ISS "So, does the saying "wherever a russian goes, vodka is sure to follow" hold true on station?" she replied while vigourously nodding her head "Absolutely not."

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hjohnson:

anyhow, shuttle astronauts are required to drink upwards of 2L or so of water before re-entry... if the re-entry gets waived off, there is a rush for the toilet.

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justinh:

haha

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grizzL:

why do they need so much water?

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hjohnson:

grizzL: so they don't pass out when they wind up in 1g.

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** justinh pictures McFly floating around in space, sans space suits **

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hjohnson:

when you first hit orbit, the body chemistry changes a little and the body sheds a lot of water.. which is fine in zero g, because in 1g that water was just sitting in your legs..

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hjohnson:

however, when you return to earth, the liquid goes back down, you become severely dehydrated where it counts, and you wind up passing out.

[19:44:47]

hjohnson:

(spaceflight is really less glamourous than it is made out to be)

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justinh:

I never imagined all the training, having things inserted where the body wasn't really designed to have things inserted, to be glamourous at all

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hjohnson:

hehe

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hjohnson:

yeah, but suposedly there are moments.. especially when they have to spend an extra day or two in orbit, when it's all worthwhile.

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AlienX:

I am trying to setup mythtv on ubuntu edgy but keep getting these SQL errors: http://pastebin.ca/354102 Does anyone have any suggestions?

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justinh:

here's that word again – but seeing the Earth from space would be awesome. never mind seeing a 3d spinny cube & wobbling windows.. that's not awesome ;)

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** cesman suggests using KnoppMyth ;) **

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AlienX:

cesman, that's not an option for me :)

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justinh:

yeah knoppmyth automagically sets up the mysql user & database but what it doesn't do is make a random password and then *not* tell the user the password :-P

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AlienX:

hehe

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hjohnson:

justinh: heh, one of the guys I worked with flew the first hubble repair mission..

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justinh:

that was all the help you're getting from me on this issue. I'm fecking sick of regurgitating that one

[19:49:01]

fryfrog:

does anyone know much about nice?

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gardengnome:

hrm

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hjohnson:

nice is nice.

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justinh:

AlienX: look in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt for clues

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fryfrog:

like, if i nice my bash session, or my screen session... will everything i spawn in it be niced?

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AlienX:

justinh, cheers

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hjohnson:

hmm.. I've been told not to send back my body armour.. wonder if that means they're expecting to ask me back to the sandbox.

[19:49:55]

** gardengnome wonders if the channel FAQ should be move to the official wiki **

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justinh:

I think this ubunut db issue thing should be consigned to the channel FAQ. from what I've seen it's been the single most asked question for ages

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ctjctj:

fryfrog, the user can renice their process to a lower priority, but only the root can raise it. All processes inherit the "nice" value of their parent.

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gardengnome:

wasn't that "hey juski, what about taking neon-wide to the fourth dimension?"

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justinh:

lol

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fryfrog:

ctjctj: thanks :)

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justinh:

it's IN the 4th dimension already

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justinh:

mere mortals cannot see it

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fryfrog:

man, I <3 svn -fixes branch. i dunno why i was ever dumb enough to goto svn head on my real myth system :p

[19:53:40]

justinh:

YMMV with svn (your myth may vary)

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hjohnson:

ok, i need to get myself something to eat

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fryfrog:

yes, that was exaclty the problem

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ctjctj:

I know why I tried SVN head the first time. Forgot to RTFM

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justinh:

arghh!

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fryfrog:

clicking "delete and re-record" via mythweb would send the load on my master be from oh, 0.x up to 80 or so

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** justinh scurries off to correct something **

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fryfrog:

never could figure out why

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justinh:

there we go, and AFAICT, no broken linkies

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gardengnome:

yay

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justinh:

cheers gardengnome :)

[20:03:58]

gardengnome:

that way i don'

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gardengnome:

t have to look for the download links anymore ;)

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justinh:

heheh

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justinh:

gonna do a humongous update before the end of the month to coincide with the release of $whatever

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gardengnome:

justinh: you can also get detailed webalizer stats. the URL for that is buried somewhere in syscp

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justinh:

figures :)

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thorbenk:

Hello :-)

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thorbenk:

I've got trouble getting audio to work with my saa7134 based card

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** justinh runs away **

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thorbenk:

I looked at this: http://www.spencerkellis.net/archives.php?pos . . . edora-core-5

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thorbenk:

Sound does work with arecord / aplay as described here: http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Saa7134-alsa

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kslater:

lol justinh

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justinh:

following Uncle Jimbob's blog page to discover how to work mythtv is maybe not the best recipe for success. some folks swear by the official docs & the rather extensive howto which a nice man called Jarod Wilson wrote

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thorbenk:

justinh: Do you have a link? I looked at the mythTV docs but did not find a section about recording the sound via dma from the card using alsa

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GreyFoxx:

myth wont use alsa for recording, only for output

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GreyFoxx:

It's OSS for recording from framegrabbers

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thorbenk:

From most Howtos I gathered that oss support is not necessary for recording and using the arecord / aplay trick mentioned above I can at least watch tv with something like kdetv

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GreyFoxx:

Those howtos are likely assuming you are recording from a PVR card or dvb/ATSC

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justinh:

hrm adding this background element might take more brain-oomph than I thought

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GreyFoxx:

which gets an mpeg a/v stream from the card

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GreyFoxx:

recording from agframegrabber, which requires the use of a soundcard input will use OSS to record

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thorbenk:

Does there have to be a physical connection from the tv card to the sound card, e.g. a cable to the line input of the sound card?

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GreyFoxx:

normally unless your card is supported by the btaudio module

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GreyFoxx:

the vast majority of framegrabber cards don't support it and do require being plugged in

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GreyFoxx:

to a sound card

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thorbenk:

GreyFoxx: OK thanks

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thorbenk:

Coming back to my question about saa7134, http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PCI_TV_audio would suggest I don't need a physical connection

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thorbenk:

Has anyone experience with such a card?

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justinh:

evening stuarta

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fryfrog:

yes, i have used a sound card!

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

such a card, not sound card :(

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fryfrog:

sorry

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** justinh feels patchy :) **

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stuarta:

evening justinh

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** stuarta feels full of chinese dinner **

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** justinh feels fat with Findus crispy pancakes & chips **

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justinh:

just had a look at our boiler. looks like the controller PCB is gonna fail in the next 12 months or so

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hjohnson:

justinh: ouch.

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justinh:

but it's a single layer board & as long as I can still read the resistor values I can fix it

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justinh:

muhahah

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immolo:

thorbenk- mine didn't use a sound card

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immolo:

I don't even have the modules loaded on my server :P

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stuarta:

justinh: read em now before the only colour you can read is black :)

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justinh:

bout a year after moving in I had to get a guy to look at it. the flue fan wasn't coming on, so the flame was going out. turned out the relay for the fan power wasn't even soldered to the PCB. was a miracle it ever worked at all

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justinh:

he quoted me Â£350 for a new board but I fixed it in 5 mins

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justinh:

stuarta: roger that!

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justinh:

job for the weekend that one

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stuarta:

bet he was pissed you didn't go for the new board..

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justinh:

he got his callout fee – he left while I 'thought about' getting a new board

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stuarta:

haha!

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justinh:

damn stupid new building regs

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justinh:

hmm mythgallery deals with loading theme elements much differenk to mythvideo

[21:02:02]

justinh:

Dagmar: btw when I was fooling about with mythvideo I saw where some of the evil undocumented image loading goes on – the 'trans-' stuff. that might be fixable

[21:02:23]

justinh:

documenting it would be much easier though

[21:02:44]

justinh:

huh? mythgallery can move & copy images aboot?!

[21:03:14]

GreyFoxx:

I think I saw mention that it can be made to copy images off a usb stick/card reader

[21:03:20]

GreyFoxx:

I've never tried any of that though

[21:04:13]

justinh:

nor me. I only really use mythvideo, mythmusic & mythweather

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justinh:

now minimyth has mythgame I might play with that one day

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GreyFoxx:

tv -> video ->mythweb -> mythgame

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GreyFoxx:

after that I only really bring out mythweather or mytrhgallery to show visitors

[21:05:16]

GreyFoxx:

my wife uses mythmusic though, I never do

[21:05:59]

fryfrog:

i wish mythmusic looked more like that screen shot of the new Vista MCE's music interface i saw

[21:06:03]

fryfrog:

with the album art and stuff

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justinh:

fryfrog: the source code is all there

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justinh:

:-P

[21:06:30]

fryfrog:

yes, yes that is true! until you said that, i didn't realize it!

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fryfrog:

now, i will fix mythmusic :)

[21:06:43]

justinh:

it's a bit of a shame there's no other remote-friendly music app

[21:06:58]

justinh:

well there's xmms I suppose but I've never tried it in anger

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gardengnome:

there's an amarok plugin for VDR

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justinh:

fryfrog: yay! I like inspiring people :)

[21:07:14]

justinh:

lol

[21:07:26]

justinh:

if only it was that easy!

[21:07:50]

justinh:

I've got some stuff in mind, but the improvements I'm thinking of would be great all throughout mythtv itself

[21:09:28]

justinh:

when I'm done adding these new background elements – or rather giving all the main screens the *same* background capability, I've got one or 2 very easy ideas to try out

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fryfrog:

neat ;)

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fryfrog:

i think when the wife is ready to support me, imma go back to school and learn programming

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justinh:

you know when you select an item in the music list? to select the next one you've got to move down right? well why not just select an item & automagically move to the next entry?

[21:11:24]

justinh:

that'd be a big time & effort saver in itself

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fryfrog:

i'm not sure what you mean, i'll have to test mythmusic when i get home

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fryfrog:

i like xbmc for music better than myth :(

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justinh:

apart from the sucky looking UI, yesh

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justinh:

the xbox360 skin for it is awful, but gave me some ideas. Those 'blades' should go in the bin though

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fryfrog:

i didn't like the mc360 skin for xbmc until i revisited it the other day

[21:13:46]

fryfrog:

in actuality, it is too cool for school

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justinh:

the key sequence for selecting a few items in a list.. press select.. move down, press select, move down, press select

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fryfrog:

the kai integration actually made me get kaid working, and *that* is awsome

[21:15:14]

justinh:

I had another idea along the lines of being able to select multiple items in a list, similar to holding down shift & clicking on different items in a dropdown list

[21:15:21]

justinh:

but with a remote ;)

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justinh:

that one I got from xbmc

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justinh:

no need to piss off anyone from either camp – do both ;)

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fryfrog:

ahah, neat idea

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justinh:

dunno where you'd find the screenspace to show a key though

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justinh:

the amount of wasted screen real estate in MCE is amazing – and the fonts are too small

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gardengnome:

justinh: did you set the DPI too 100?

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justinh:

gardengnome: haha

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justinh:

as if I'd run that on any of my boxes

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justinh:

Mister Vister-fanboy was showing me it

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justinh:

"and it's free" he said

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fryfrog:

ahah

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fryfrog:

as long as you pay for Vista Home Premium or what ever :p

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justinh:

mmmyers

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justinh:

not that he pays for it like. you can imagine how fun things are at work

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justinh:

setPaletteBackgroundPixmap(myBackground);

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justinh:

}

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justinh:

oops

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justinh:

bah braces instead of brackets

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justinh:

well, the compiler didn't poo its pants

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justinh:

arghh! segfaulty :(

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stuarta:

:(

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cleverca:

lol

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justinh:

that's mythfrontend btw, not the plugin

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justinh:

I'd svn updated so maybe a distclean was in order

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cleverca:

if mythfrontend lacks access to a theme folder will it just ignore that theme?

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

should I choose DirecTV, Dish or Time Warner?

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kormoc:

sanmarcos-trabaj, all three at the same time

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

kormoc, I cant do that Dave..

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kormoc:

really tho, why does it matter? all three work, and it's *your* tv

[21:55:30]

sanmarcos-trabaj:

oh ok, if all three work with Myth

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cleverca:

kormoc which is easyer to change the channel on from the pc though?

[21:57:15]

cleverca:

one of them may have firewire or a serial port enabled by default

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kormoc:

cleverca, sure, but that's all stuff he needs to research and decide on

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** Beirdo yawns **

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justinh:

oof. another segfault

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** stuarta suggest gdb **

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Beirdo:

my yawn caused a segfault thousands of miles away? Damn, I'm good

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stuarta:

suggests

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justinh:

thinking along the lines of void IconView::UpdateMenu(void) in iconview.cpp

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justinh:

but we'll see how it pans oot

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justinh:

<afk>

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stuarta:

later all

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clever:

:(

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tank-man:

setup a slave backend

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clever:

there is a backend on this secondary box but it isnt running atm

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clever:

just the cpu power

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clever:

and i have nowhere near the disc space on here

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

I am so tired my dear kormoc

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

I would just fall asleep in my job..

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clever:

ive allmost fallen asleep at the pc waiting for mythtv to compile:Pa

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

cleverL use distcc, use multiple cores, get a faster machine

[22:29:08]

clever:

i was using distcc

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clever:

1.6ghz and 1ghz

[22:29:27]

clever:

pair of ubuntu 6.06's

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clever:

ARG

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clever:

cable box went to channel 12 for news on its own

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clever:

at 6pm

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clever:

while mythtv was recording:P

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clever:

and i found out 30mins late

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

what cable box do you have?

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clever:

dct 2000 rogers digital cable

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clever:

i had programed it to do that a year or 2 ago thru the menu's

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clever:

its disabled now

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clever:

one the ir blaster is done i can get the same effect using a cronjob and the frontends control port

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Beirdo:

woohoo, got 4 new freshly dug holes in the back yard. Stupid puppy.

[22:38:21]

Zider:

Beirdo: plant something ;)

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clever:

lol

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clever:

plant the puppy:P

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Beirdo:

I should plant some wire mesh just under the surface of the soil

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clever:

LOL

[22:39:16]

Beirdo:

ah well, the grass was pretty much dead anyways from this dry spell

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clever:

just avoid the barb wire

[22:39:28]

clever:

that gives me a diff idea

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Beirdo:

nah, square mesh

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clever:

put a peice of dog food on a stick

[22:39:47]

clever:

and shove it 5 inches down under the soil

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Beirdo:

hell no

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clever:

then use the holes for a sprinkler system

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Beirdo:

she already dug that deep looking for bugs

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Beirdo:

I don't want to encourage the mutt

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clever:

lol

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clever:

i mean use it to dig up the lawn to put in a sprinkler system to keep the grass alive:P

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Beirdo:

there's some bug that spends most of its time underground. The dog thinks it's a delicacy

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clever:

lol

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clever:

make her dig till she never wants to dig again

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Beirdo:

oh, it usually rains enough to keep the back yard a swamp

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clever:

then it will be solved

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clever:

why is it try then?

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Beirdo:

we've had a dry spell for a few weeks

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clever:

ahh

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Beirdo:

great for drying clothes, not so great for the lawn

[22:42:32]

Beirdo:

but such is life

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Beirdo:

better than snow :)

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clever:

yeah the snow is deep here

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Beirdo:

had enough snow to last me most of a lifetime...

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clever:

its been over 6feet deep in some places here

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Beirdo:

yeah, you maritimers always get buried, it seems

[22:43:16]

clever:

lol how did you know i live there?:P

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Beirdo:

observation? ;)

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clever:

lol

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jasta:

it pretty much ended in early January.

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clever:

in northern NB

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Beirdo:

wonder how much snow's on my dad's little summer shack up in newfieland

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clever:

normaly its worst in feb

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Beirdo:

up by Bonavista

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clever:

my dad is up in quebec atm

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clever:

eastern quebec

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clever:

gaspe area

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Beirdo:

ah. mine's where I grew up... muskoka area, Ontario

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clever:

dad will be working up in the gaspe area till wed

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Beirdo:

he sent me a picture the other day of the back of the house... almost completely hidden by snow

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Beirdo:

heh

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clever:

then he will pass by the house on the way elsewhere to work till fri

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Beirdo:

ain't no snow here

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Beirdo:

and there better not ever be any snow here

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clever:

odd

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Beirdo:

well, I'm not in Ontario any more :)

[22:46:14]

Beirdo:

heh

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clever:

the OSD on my mytvtv has changed

[22:46:19]

clever:

a great deal

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Beirdo:

I'm pretty much directly south of you.

[22:46:35]

Beirdo:

half-way to South America

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clever:

not shure if it was the change of the osd theme or the svn update i did

[22:46:49]

clever:

i have a friend in another irc network

[22:46:56]

clever:

thats in the exact same timezone as me

[22:46:59]

clever:

and in brazil

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Beirdo:

heh, well here it's AST year round

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clever:

dead south of me

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Beirdo:

here being Puerto Rico

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clever:

ahhh:) same area

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** clever looks for him to get more details:P **

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clever:

he isnt online atm

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clever:

yeah you probly wont get much snow at all down there

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Beirdo:

not without another ice age

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clever:

lol

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Beirdo:

hell, even Toronto had too much snow for me :)

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** cleverca gets some pics of the snow here **

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cleverca:

...

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** cleverca pokes the slow web site **

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

anybody use COCKS cable.

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

?

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

clever: there is HDTV In brasil already with the japanese standard?

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cleverca:

no idea

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Zider_:

cocks? not coax?

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cleverca:

i dont live near brazil and ive never had hdtv

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

cox, but I call it COCKS

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Zider_:

:P

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Beirdo:

uh huh

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Beirdo:

they can't be half as bad as Liberty here in PR

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justinh:

is someone trying to imply that cox sucks?

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cleverca:

Beirdo: http://clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/snow

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Zider_:

never heard of it

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

justinh, I dont use it, I live in L.A

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

its all time warner monopoly here

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

just like from the third world country I came from, monopolies

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hjohnson:

there's finall competition in tv here.

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donutface-:

hi, im about to install MythTV on my server and i was wondering which is the most common distro to run it on?

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

donutface-, any

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hjohnson:

sanmarcos-trabaj: well, in all honesty, cable distribution is a nautral monopoly.. so is wired telephone access.

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justinh:

most common != the best for you

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donutface-:

heh

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donutface-:

ok

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donutface-:

any suggestions?

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hjohnson:

donutface-: use whichever you're most familiar with, imho

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

indeed

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donutface-:

its between gentoo and debian

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

debian sid for MYth

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donutface-:

ok thanks

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hjohnson:

14:59:01 up 59 days, 22:07, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

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hjohnson:

mmm.

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

Ubuntu if you are a newbie, but you will have to strip down the crap it comes with

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hjohnson:

both cores are idle right now

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Zider_:

gentoo is nice

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Zider_:

..for me.. :P

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

I dont recommend fedora or suse because they use RPM

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justinh:

no to ubunut

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

in other words, keep trying

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donutface-:

ive used linux for a while now, and i managed to set up gentoo before

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cleverca:

18:56:18 up 5 days, 21:13, 15 users, load average: 0.20, 0.29, 0.28

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justinh:

unless you're planning to build from source

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cleverca:

16:56:34 up 3 days, 21:01, 7 users, load average: 7.18, 10.18, 10.97

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donutface-:

what about those distros

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donutface-:

that have myth preinstalled?

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donutface-:

any good?

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donutface-:

knopmyth

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justinh:

some swear by it

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cleverca:

hjohnson which one?:P

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hjohnson:

the one with a load average of 7.xx

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cleverca:

that has the backend recording

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donutface-:

i might give knopmyth a try for now

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hjohnson:

ahh

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cleverca:

while commflag and transcoding other stuff

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justinh:

yay – no segfault. undid my changes & there is no longer a segfault. back to the drawing board for that patch then

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cleverca:

and a mysql server for a few other things

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hjohnson:

heh

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Zider_:

I got a load avg. of 4200 on a system once :P

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cleverca:

16:57:57 up 3 days, 21:03, 7 users, load average: 9.38, 10.05, 10.84

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immolo:

cleverca- damn thats high

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hjohnson:

moving 80GB of data around on my system is painful

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Zider_:

..then it crashed.. ;)

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hjohnson:

Zider_: NFS meltdown?

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cleverca:

ive had it over 100 before

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immolo:

22:57:41 up 4:35, 2 users, load average: 3.76, 4.07, 4.19

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hjohnson:

i've sent machines into NFS meltdown

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cleverca:

when my 133mhz runs low on ram/swap it gets iolocked

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hjohnson:

I need to buy a computer to use as a front end.

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immolo:

oh 133 :P

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cleverca:

and then the crontab overflows the system with proc's and open files

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Zider_:

hjohnson: a script that did cat /dev/urandom >/dev/null and then forked itself

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immolo:

whats the one with 10?

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Zider_:

hjohnson: someone set me up the bomb ;)

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cleverca:

the one with 10 is a 1.6ghz

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hjohnson:

slowest machine in the house that's currently running is the G4/400 in the basement

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cleverca:

my slowest working one is the 50mhz

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hjohnson:

i'm looking at buying a mac mini to use for a variety of things, including being a front-end.

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cleverca:

but i havent booted it in a few months

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immolo:

hmm so is mine and damn it does a hell of a lot of stuff

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hjohnson:

my slowest working unit is a 68040 NeXT Cube

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Zider_:

the only thing under 2GHz is my palm pilot ;)

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cleverca:

hjohnson i need to find my gateway laptop

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cleverca:

it eats harddrive but it should be fine as a netboot frontend

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hjohnson:

we finally gave up on the P133 firewall.

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hjohnson:

replaced it with a netgear VPN router

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cleverca:

my 199mhz will be my router/firwall

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cleverca:

currently its just the dns cache and dhcp server

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hjohnson:

it does the job and uses less power than the p133

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hjohnson:

enterprize is a rather fantastic machine.

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Ryushin:

So....... Are there any linux players that can playback HD-DVD or Blueray at this point? Assuming of course the disc wasn't encrypted.

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

I dont think so

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tank-man:

vote with your dollars, f drm

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immolo:

Ryushin- there are some decrypted one floating on torrent sites

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immolo:

download for 3 years and try it out :P

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Ryushin:

immolo: We're not allowed to talk about "that" here.

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

why the hypocrisy?

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donutface-:

lol

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GreyFoxx:

sanmarcos-trabaj: What are you referring to ?

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

come on, like you never downloaded any pirate movies, isnt watching dvds that decrypt the CSS illegal?

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Ryushin:

Well, maybe it might take a few more months before we see either mplayer or xine to playback blueray or hd-dvd.

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GreyFoxx:

sanmarcos-trabaj: We don't help users do that here either

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

Ryushin, the codecs are well supported

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GreyFoxx:

what users choose to do on their own, or if they choose to install libdvdcss is their business not ours

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

vc-1, h264 and one other iirc

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hjohnson:

heh, my manager just told me to stay home.

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GreyFoxx:

but noone in here will help you torrent, install libdvdcss, decrypt tv, etc etc

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immolo:

sanmarcos-trabaj- yeah

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donutface-:

does knoppmth include libdvdcss?

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donutface-:

:P

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GreyFoxx:

the fact that's it's possible is irrelevant

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hjohnson:

GreyFoxx: unless you're not in the US, then libdvdcss isn't nessisarily illegal, since it's covered under fair use.

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Ryushin:

Right, but the interactive menus and such, will probably be a lot harder to implement.

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hjohnson:

Ryushin: they're realistically just modified macromedia director.

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GreyFoxx:

hjohnson: yeah, but since most devs are in the us we usually stick to US law on the subject,

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hjohnson:

as I recall.

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GreyFoxx:

though I agree, specially since I'm not in the US

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

GreyFoxx, of course not, for example, the other day I asked if a HR-HDTV (you know what it is), could be streamed over wireless-G, a purely technichal question, I was told I was a pirate!, while I just transcode my HD recordings to those specs

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GreyFoxx:

sanmarcos-trabaj: then the person calling you a pirate was just being an ass

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Zider:

some people are more extreme than others ;)

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GreyFoxx:

there are hundreds of people in here

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hjohnson:

sanmarcos-trabaj: it boils down to the average person pushing that kind of crap

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

right, I think it was justinh, or somebody, any how...

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GreyFoxx:

we can't speak for all of them :)

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

it sucks that I was told that

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hjohnson:

some of the wheat gets tossed out with the chaff

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

I dont support piracy at all

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Zider:

I do.. but not here.. :P

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Ryushin:

Well, if it happens like last time, it took several months before playback was working well under linux after css was, well, not an issue anymore.

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donutface-:

is that bittorrent myth plugin still being maintained?

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donutface-:

to watch fanmade startrek episode

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donutface-:

s

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

Ryushin, the problem is that blu ray and hd-dvd use the same codecs (besides a few quirks), but the studios have choices

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

i.e, you can mix codecs in a blu ray for the extras, and for the movie

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

they might use VC-1 in one movie, and H264 in another

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

donutface-, of course, I use bittorrent to get legal content, I dont approve of piracy, I just use it to watch video podcasts and so on.

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donutface-:

i was just wondering if it was still maintained or not

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donutface-:

looked like a really good project

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donutface-:

last time i checked the site mentioned an older version of myth

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

Ryushin, you can play the content... not the discs though, I *guess*

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

too expensive, stuff hasnt been reversed engineered yet.

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

probablty menus and dealing with the structure of data

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

anyhow, the format war is still on, and I dont plan on buying anything until one of them dies off

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

my money is on blu ray...

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

but, who knows really, blu ray is a superior format, but so was betamax...

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immolo:

but did the betamax have a ps3 in its bag of tricks?

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purserj:

no, but it did have most major news networks

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immolo:

I was about 3 :P

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donutface-:

VHS won because it was cheaper though

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immolo:

as far as I know it was cost that killed betamax plus only sony could build the recorders?

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donutface-:

not neccesarily the case with HD

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donutface-:

hddvd

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donutface-:

dvd will be the winner cause of price

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purserj:

also a good indicator is which way the porn industry is going to go

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donutface-:

i think thats overrated

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tank-man:

hd?

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donutface-:

while porn does sell a large ammount of dvds

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donutface-:

its still not a majorit

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donutface-:

y

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

*cough*

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donutface-:

the slashdotters who says all this is in a little world of their own

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purserj:

its a significant minority though, the weight they could throw behind a format is not insignificant

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donutface-:

i dont understand, why is it so significant?

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donutface-:

i suppose the early adopters generally are male in 20's

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purserj:

thats part of it

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

indeed

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donutface-:

but theres still plenty of rich families out there where daddy wont get blueray because it has more porn

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

daddy's boys

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donutface-:

what id give now for a gbit network

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donutface-:

90gb of movies over 100mbit isnt fun

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immolo:

donutface-- I know what you mean

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donutface-:

i mean uhmm

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donutface-:

fan made startrek episode

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donutface-:

s

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

right

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

keep walking, move along

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

check the changelog?

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ackley:

yeah but couldn't be sure, is anyone else using the builtin dvd player?

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

"Fixed problem with missing menu buttons on some DVD titles"

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

is it that hard to check the release notes, go to MythDVD and find out ackley ?

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ackley:

The buttons were there, just the highlight and selectability were missing

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

pleasse, use the Wiki, else the doctor won't help you.

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cleverca:

what programs are there for graphing cpu/net usage over long term with multiple boxes?

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

munin

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Beirdo:

or cacti

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cleverca:

heard of cacti before

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cleverca:

how much ram would cacti use on the box being monitered?

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Beirdo:

it uses snmpd to get the data

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

not much

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

munin is pretty lightweight

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

I dont know about Cacti

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cleverca:

what program/port does snmpd run on?

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cleverca:

port 161?

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

check /etc/services

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

I dont think it runs on a specific port

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cleverca:

grep snmp /etc/services

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cleverca:

snmp 161/tcp # Simple Net Mgmt Proto

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

bitchx, keep it to yourself.

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Beirdo:

so, not terribly much

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Beirdo:

like 5M or so on my machines

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cleverca:

one of the boxes i want to moniter has only 64mb of ram

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

somebody should create a distro specifically for Myth

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

based on something decent

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cleverca:

knoppmyth is close i think

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

the name is uglt

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

ugly

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gardengnome:

mythdora?

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cleverca:

theres also mythdora

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

fedora, bah

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

Just Myth Linux

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

it should "just work"

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gardengnome:

sanmarcos-trabaj: why don't you do it yourself? :)

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gardengnome:

there's also minimyth

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

because I never finish any tasks in my life.

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cleverca:

lol

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

and such a project is not a one time thing, it requires maintenance.

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gardengnome:

that's unlikely to happen. ever.

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gardengnome:

EOD for me

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

just minimal set up, a beautiful boot splash simplistic, black with white text saying "Myth Linux" with bright border, no login screen. First time should take you to a set up screen with a choice for easy and advanced (allowing you to add, compile from own, etc features), then the winodw manager should be able to be controlled by LIRC or keyboard, and have a slide in terminal from the bottom

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

it should Just work.

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ctjctj:

does anybody know if knoppmyth can get the address of the backend/mysql server from dhcp?

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

no complications, and leaving the advanced user to have an "advanced mode" to install anything he wants.

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

ctjctj, ideally, Avahi should be used for that..

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cleverca:

ctjctj that could be usefull but upnp gives the same thing

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ctjctj:

I'm sorry, but does knoppmyth use upnp to discover the mysql/backend?

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cleverca:

upnp is new and i dont think its in the knoppmyth yet

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cleverca:

and the backend adr is found from the mysql

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cleverca:

so all it needs is the mysql adr/pw

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cleverca:

oops

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cleverca:

0 bytes free again

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

not really...

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

most FS's have reserves..

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

the Myth Web Browser sucks so badly

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

why cant we do something like the iphone?

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

we have webkit...

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

just zoom in with volume up or something...

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Paladine:

weird my programme scheduler wiped itself and all my program guide data has gone too

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cleverca:

sanmarcos-trabaj i know theres a reserve

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cleverca:

but only root can use that

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cleverca:

and it causes this to spam by

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cleverca:

2007-02–13 17:50:14.116 TFW, Error: safe_write(): File I/O errcnt: 1

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cleverca:

eno: No space left on device (28)

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cleverca:

2007-02–13 17:50:14.116 TFW: safe_write(): funky usleep

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cleverca:

total space on drive c: which is of type( fixed ) is 74.53GB and free is 1.14GB

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

for a 40 inch, do you recommend plasma or lcd?

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

I want 1080P, HDMI and DVI, Picture in Picture, a Tuner, if possible CableCard..

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snerfu:

plasma is cheaper at that size.

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snerfu:

much cheaper.

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

really?

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

how much cheaper?

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

but they burnt out after 4 years..

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

and are bigger..

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snerfu:

I bought a 42" plasma for 1100 in store.

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

I can get an LCD for 1500

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snerfu:

Its best buy's insignia brand though, but I enjoy it a lot.

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

oh, so its you regular stuff

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

we are not talking about Sony, Samsung, Panaosonic, Toshiba here

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

the holy trinity

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

add sharp too

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snerfu:

What brand is that LCD?

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

I dont know, I was just checking out prices

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

I just dont trust plasma..

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snerfu:

If you can get a good lcd that cheap I say go with the lcd.

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snerfu:

I would have gone lcd had it not been the price.

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snerfu:

We don't make that much in Oklahoma.

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snerfu:

hehe.

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