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Monday, February 12th, 2007, 00:04 UTC

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Dr_willis:

cake, i could of told ya that. :)

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Dr_willis:

most of the $30 creative cards work great. Sblive, Sb audigys so on.

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Dr_willis:

not sure about the Live24bit – got one – i think it worked ok on the wifes machine.

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cake:

i think the point was to get 7.1 sound out of it

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Dr_willis:

heh – i cant recall any video sources that actually have 4.1/5.1/or 7/1 sound to be honest with ya/.

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Dr_willis:

of course i just have 4.1 speakers on my Audigy2zs system

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Dr_willis:

those things are like 10 yrs old.. gesh..

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cake:

well dvds has

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cake:

lots of hdtv stuff has 5.1 sound

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Dr_willis:

yea – i cant rember a time when i played an actual dvd.

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Dr_willis:

i tend to rip them to psp format for watching at work.

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cake:

well this setup is not for me

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cake:

so..

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cake:

hehe

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Dr_willis:

actually i did notice the rear speakers playing. but a slightly lower volume the other day.. perhaps i was getting 4.1 sound with that video.

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cake:

perhaps

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Dr_willis:

Im using the Digital Out of the sb card going to the speakers digital conector.

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Dr_willis:

Audigy 2zs here. its a decent card for me.. Overkill for most of my needs.

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Dr_willis:

MythTV box has a SBlive in it. but its just stero to the tv.

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cake:

yeah, the plan was to use this boxfor dvd as well so kinda need the 5.1 at least

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Dr_willis:

that reminds me- i need to get a dvd drive for my mythtv box. :)

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Dr_willis:

that explains why i dont play dvd's with it..

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Dr_willis:

got a PVR 150 here.. was on sale.

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Dr_willis:

i stil havent gotten the rebate yet. :()

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cake:

doesnt matter which one?

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cake:

150 500 .. ?

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cake:

do i need 2 tv tuners for anything else than "pic-in-pic" ?

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Dr_willis:

$150 cost me $50 after rebates with a remote

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Dr_willis:

ya could record 2 shows at same time.. or record one, while watching live tv. i guess.

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Dr_willis:

i never have much issues where i need 2 tuners.

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cake:

right

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hjohnson:

gah, my brain hurts..

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shodan:

emm how come when I tune a radio channel I get "error was encountered while displaying video" with a button "Return to menu" ?

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shodan:

(using a DVB card that is..)

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kemp:

I changed something in my setup and now I can run myth-setup anymore.... I get this — Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"

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kemp:

and then many lines of this --- QGLContext::makeCurrent(): Cannot make invalid context current.

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shodan:

same thing happens with offair stations, that's even worse : instead of getting a OSD message "there is no video" you get bumped out of livetv

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gardengnome:

shodan: what version of mythtv are you running?

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kemp:

anyone know how I can fix the mess I have gotten myself into ^^^^ ?

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LabMonkey:

kinda OT here... anyone mind helping me figure out what's wrong with my lirc setup?

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shodan:

gardengnome, media-tv/mythtv-0.20_p12172

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LabMonkey:

anyone? please? :)

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JoeyJoeJo:

My mythweb listings are rendering weird on safari. www.trinitygc.com/mythweb.tiff

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QuesarVII:

labmonkey – whats up?

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JoeyJoeJo:

7:00pm is really wide, but 7:15pm it tiny

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LabMonkey:

now it's not working at all

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QuesarVII:

what distro? old kernel version? new version? did the version of lirc change too?

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LabMonkey:

QuesarVII: gentoo, kernel 2.6.18, lirc went from like 0.7.2 (not sure about that) to 0.8.1

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QuesarVII:

I've noticed some posts about some usb devices breaking with 0.8.0

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LabMonkey:

oh

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QuesarVII:

try 0.8.0

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QuesarVII:

i think it's still in portage (i use gentoo too)

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LabMonkey:

it was 0.8.0 that I had to modify (for reasons I don't recall)

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LabMonkey:

now it's 0.8.1

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QuesarVII:

I meant breaking with 0.8.1

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LabMonkey:

hrm

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LabMonkey:

k, lemme mask 0.8.1 then

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QuesarVII:

you can check your /var/log/emerge.log to see the old version

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QuesarVII:

you shouldn't need to mask

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QuesarVII:

just run emerge =lirc-0.8.0

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QuesarVII:

if it works and you're sure that fixes it, you should then copy lirc-0.8.0 to a local portage dir for safekeeping and mask anything >0.8.0

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LabMonkey:

yeah but I can be absent-minded sometimes

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LabMonkey:

so I just p.masked >=0.8.1

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QuesarVII:

you'll lose the ebuild if it gets dropped from portage though

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LabMonkey:

I very seldom upgrade anything on the mythbox

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QuesarVII:

if the problem isn't fixed before you do your next update, you might not have access to 0.8.0 anymore

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QuesarVII:

just doing an emerge --sync could drop the ebuild though

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quink:

does it matter if alsa is compiled in via the kernel or built separately?

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QuesarVII:

if you then updated the kernel, you would be forced to use a newer lirc since the old one would then be gone

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LabMonkey:

hrm

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LabMonkey:

guess if it works I can copy it to my overlay

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LabMonkey:

that way I won't lose it during a sync

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QuesarVII:

quink – unless you have some new audio device undergoing considerable development, just use the in kernel ones

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LabMonkey:

ok it's *NOT* working with pad2keys right now

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LabMonkey:

with 0.8.0

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quink:

QuesarVII: reason i ask is alsa isn't working the way i'm expecting it to. thought maybe it'd work differently if i build it manually

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QuesarVII:

quink – what probs you having?

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quink:

i guess you are using gentoo, so i mean kernel vs alsa-driver ebuild

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quink:

QuesarVII: well i don't think its reading my asoundrc file

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QuesarVII:

I've used kernel for a very long time. I'm using emu10k1

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quink:

ah.

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QuesarVII:

what device are you using

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quink:

NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 0: AD198x Analog [AD198x Analog]

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QuesarVII:

labmonkey – anything in dmesg?

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quink:

its using hda-intel drivers

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QuesarVII:

labmonkey – also try building lirc with USE=debug

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LabMonkey:

QuesarVII: dmesg shows the ir port being opened and closed

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QuesarVII:

and what are you trying to do with the asoundrc?

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quink:

my problem is this. I have an analog connection to my tv(stereo) and a spdif cable to my receiver. I want both to output audio always, so i just mute what i don't want.

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quink:

Right now the problem is, i'll get surround sound from my receiver for movies, but 'digital' sounds from the tv

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QuesarVII:

quink – have you seen any of the wiki pages on ac3 passthru?

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QuesarVII:

labmonkey – what about a debug build of lirc?

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quink:

QuesarVII: depends which you mean. i've gone through a few 'how to do digital audio' wiki pages.

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QuesarVII:

quink – I think I've seen some stuff about your desired setup in those pages

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LabMonkey:

rebuilding with debug now

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quink:

QuesarVII: tried it today.

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quink:

i just wnat stereo output to my tv always, and surround output to my stereo as the source allows, if not then give it stereo too.

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LabMonkey:

well... nothing related to lirc

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quink:

yeah so for now my fix is disable ac3 passthrough until i know i'm going to need it.

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QuesarVII:

labmonkey – stop lirc as a service, and then run it manually with debug options

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QuesarVII:

run it with --help first to see what the debug options are

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QuesarVII:

you only get the message in --help if it was built with debug support

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quink:

oh well. i'm giving up maybe fixes will happen in the future.

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quink:

do i need to do anything special to make alsa read /etc/asoundrc?

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quink:

and how do i know if its loading it up?

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QuesarVII:

it should be reading it fine

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QuesarVII:

if you've created a new output name, you can test that it works using aplay

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quink:

i guess then the problem is i don't understand the format that the file needs to be.

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QuesarVII:

I think for the /etc version, the file might be named asound.conf

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QuesarVII:

I'm not sure on that though..

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LabMonkey:

QuesarVII: hrm... when mythtv starts I get "accepted new client ... " and then immediately "removed client"

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QuesarVII:

what happens at keypresses?

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LabMonkey:

nothing

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LabMonkey:

I'm rebuilding lirc again with imon_pad2keys instead of imon_pad

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QuesarVII:

the next step I'd try would be reverting back to the old kernel and making sure it all still works there

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quink:

ah. i think that might have been one of my problems

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LabMonkey:

QuesarVII, quink: I only have an /etc/asound.state

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LabMonkey:

just... tossing that in there

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QuesarVII:

labmonkey asound.state is volume levels, etc

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LabMonkey:

yeah

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QuesarVII:

asound.conf sets up special configs, etc

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LabMonkey:

ahh

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QuesarVII:

like 5.1 passthru or software mixing for cheap cards

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quink:

yeah

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quink:

well, i tired it with what i thought was a valid config...no go.

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quink:

it works moreso then before

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quink:

at least devices 'mixed-digital' works

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quink:

but i still get buzzing on the tv

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quink:

QuesarVII: you know something of what the config file should look like?

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QuesarVII:

not completely

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LabMonkey:

ok here's what I don't get

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QuesarVII:

it seems like a really cryptic format to me

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QuesarVII:

and i can't find much for docs other than example configs

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LabMonkey:

the old lirc ebuild in my overlay that was working before I upgraded my kernel... it won't build now

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LabMonkey:

/var/tmp/portage/lirc-0.8.0-r2/work/lirc-0.8.0/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.c:54:35 : linux/devfs_fs_kernel.h: No such file or directory

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QuesarVII:

it's probably failing because of a change in the kernel itself

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QuesarVII:

yeah, devfs was finally dropped completely

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LabMonkey:

but I thought devfs was removed in like 2.6.9 or something

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QuesarVII:

you'll need to patch it to not include that file if you want

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QuesarVII:

the header was just recently removed

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LabMonkey:

oh

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QuesarVII:

just get rid of that include statement with a patch and you should be good to go

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QuesarVII:

i've build a number of 3rd party drivers lately by doing that

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LabMonkey:

I'd rather just know what the difference is between this ebuild I have (which I don't remember where I got it or why) that used to work, and the 0.8.0-r8 ebuild that's in the tree

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QuesarVII:

gentoo patches

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QuesarVII:

do a diff on the ebuilds

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quink:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_Digital_Sound was that the page you were talking about?

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QuesarVII:

and take a look at what patches are applied

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QuesarVII:

yeah, i think that's it

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QuesarVII:

I'm trying to get the ALSA:spdif format working for me now

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QuesarVII:

playing around with my sb live setup

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QuesarVII:

I have something to try... but I'm recording mythbusters right now and don't want to screw with it...

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LabMonkey:

QuesarVII: no I mean the ebuilds are radically different (like they were written from scratch by two different people

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defaultro:

good evening, anyone here is good at electrical? :P

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QuesarVII:

you should still be able to boil down the differences from the patches, unless there is sed and stuff in the ebuild

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QuesarVII:

defaultro – what are you trying to do?

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defaultro:

i have an issue in my master bedroom

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defaultro:

I've removed all the devices connected but circuit breaker still shuts down

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hads:

Ug

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defaultro:

looks like a wire is wet

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defaultro:

but i've look at the outlets and they all look fine

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defaultro:

i said wet because it's warm inside house and outside is like 5

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defaultro:

5 degrees

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hads:

Get an electrician

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defaultro:

could that be the cause of it?

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defaultro:

they will come in on friday :(

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hads:

Damn

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defaultro:

i know

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QuesarVII:

you have any experience working on electrical?

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defaultro:

yes

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QuesarVII:

have a multi meter?

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defaultro:

but not really that good

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defaultro:

i can borrow

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defaultro:

what do I need to do?

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hads:

Find the short

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QuesarVII:

I'd disconnect that circuit from the box, and then disconnect each of the outlets it feeds

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QuesarVII:

then check them with a meter for shorts

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QuesarVII:

it's much more likely to be one of the outlets or something than the wire itself..

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defaultro:

circuit, you mean the outlet?

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QuesarVII:

unless you have ancient wiring

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defaultro:

it's new constructed house

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hads:

But if you aren't experienced then be careful

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defaultro:

it's turned off right now

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QuesarVII:

Just shutting off the circuit breaker should be enough

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defaultro:

it goes off after 2 or 3 secs

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defaultro:

ok, it's off

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defaultro:

so i will put the red and black tip to the outlet?

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QuesarVII:

If you remove the wire from the breaker, you can check for a short from there

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QuesarVII:

be very careful

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defaultro:

oh, from the breaker first

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QuesarVII:

even if you think you have the breaker turned off, test the outlet first to be 100% sure

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defaultro:

i think, the breaker is ok because

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QuesarVII:

where do you live?

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quink:

yeah i can't figure this one out today. somehow i get the feeling that i'm missing some obvoius setting.

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hads:

And concentrate, it's easy to get distracted and do something silly

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defaultro:

the other day, it shut off too. I waited about an hour and turned it back on, and it didn't turned off

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defaultro:

i'm in Chicago

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hads:

quink: What are you trying to do?

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QuesarVII:

in the us, we don't require water resistant wiring, but I doubt the wires are getting wet in a brand new home

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QuesarVII:

even then, the regular romex is pretty resistant anyway

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defaultro:

i'm thinking, poor insulation?

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defaultro:

were not using romex

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defaultro:

it's just conduit pipe and 12gaugge

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QuesarVII:

what are you using? romex is standard

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defaultro:

they pull it

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** LabMonkey suspects animal infestation **

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Dr_willis:

I have wireing running inside my Gutters outside. :)

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quink:

hads: have my audio always give stereo via analog to my tv and always give either stereo or surround sound to my receiver(depending on the source)

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defaultro:

12gauge inside a 1/2 steel conduit pipe

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defaultro:

1/2"

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Dr_willis:

Squirles/rats/mice can chew on wiring – seen that happen befor.

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quink:

hads: so basically i don't hvae my receiver on and things work fine, always. I want to hear stuff on my stereo in nicer sound, then i just mute myhttv and i get the digital signal to my receiver and things work.

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QuesarVII:

but it's not 2 loose wires, right? It's one cable with 3 wires in it, right? and all 3 wires are in a rectangular outer insulation?

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QuesarVII:

that's a possibility too, but if it's in tight conduit it's less likely

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defaultro:

but I don't know of any expose wire since it's very strict in our area. And I was here almost 5 days a week when it was being built

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hads:

quink: I see. Don't know if I can help there sorry, I'm not using digital audio yet.

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LabMonkey:

well I say that because it's possible that some manner of rodent is seeking shelter from the cold in your attic or something

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QuesarVII:

romex is pretty standard for new home construction

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defaultro:

i'm confident that all wires are inside the conduit

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defaultro:

i have tons of pictures that I can look at

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QuesarVII:

Then I would bet either an outlet is shorting or there is a problem with the breaker itself

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defaultro:

so on the outlet, how should I test it?

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QuesarVII:

Check for continuity between the hot and neutral lines

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QuesarVII:

with the breaker off

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defaultro:

so i will just insert the red and black tip right?

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defaultro:

so if I get continuity, that's it

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QuesarVII:

if it's thin enough to fit, yes

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QuesarVII:

do it first with the meter set for AC volts

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defaultro:

yes, I tried it before and it fits

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QuesarVII:

just to make sure there is no power there

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defaultro:

yes, AC

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defaultro:

and then next?

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QuesarVII:

then set it to ohms

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defaultro:

ok, why ohms?

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QuesarVII:

if it shows anything but near infinity, there is a problem

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QuesarVII:

ohms is resistance

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defaultro:

if 0? it's fine?

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QuesarVII:

a perfect short will show up as 0ohms

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defaultro:

oh

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hads:

heh

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defaultro:

so if it's more than 0, then it's good?

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QuesarVII:

a marginal short will show up as a low reading, something in the range of 1–100

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defaultro:

cool

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QuesarVII:

it should be in the multi thousands if it's good

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hads:

Depending on the scale of course :)

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defaultro:

i remember that last time when I was building my security wiring

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QuesarVII:

or not even reading

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QuesarVII:

depends on the meter

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defaultro:

i used 20000

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defaultro:

then I had a reading of 2.5k since the resistor is 2500ohm

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defaultro:

that's what I remember

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QuesarVII:

different meters give different readings for all the various range settings

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defaultro:

ok guys, I'm going to my neighbor now to get the meter

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defaultro:

brb

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QuesarVII:

i just said screw it all and got an auto ranging meter that tells you the units it's giving you too

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QuesarVII:

you'll probably want to test those outlets when disconnected too btw

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QuesarVII:

if one is shorted, any that are on the same circuit will show as shorted too

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QuesarVII:

so you'll need them disconnected to test

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RvnPhnx:

what, if anything, does it mean if mplayer can't open the .nuv files made by my install of mythtv? (I wanted to use something other than mythtv to attempt to play the files back, so I could be sure if I'm having both input and output or just output audio problems)

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QuesarVII:

rvn – what are you using for capture?

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defaultro:

Quesar?

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defaultro:

i set the volts to 200 AC and reading says 01.1

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defaultro:

all outlets are 01.1

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defaultro:

resistance didn't change to zero though. So outlet is not the source of the issue then

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snerfu:

you need to patch mplayer to support nupple video.

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Dr_willis:

nupple ? that SO sounds like some sort of porn/fetish

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snerfu:

http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*ch . . . atch?rev=1.1

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snerfu:

woops that link doesn't work anymore

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QuesarVII:

default- -sorry, was busy

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QuesarVII:

does it say 1.1 not connected to anything at all?

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defaultro:

it says 1.1

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defaultro:

i also tested resistance and it didn't became 0

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defaultro:

i went to the basement and I switch it on, it didn't shut down anymore

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QuesarVII:

is that to the outlet with them still all connected?

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defaultro:

what?

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QuesarVII:

when you tested the resistance, did you just stick it in the outlet with it still connected to the circuit, or did you remove it from the circuit to test it?

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QuesarVII:

if it was connected to the circuit and you didn't get a low resistance value, the circuit isn't shorted

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defaultro:

i just connected the red and black thing to the holes

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QuesarVII:

you could try testing from the hot to the ground line too

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defaultro:

it's working now

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defaultro:

i have to wait again

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QuesarVII:

but you said it was turning off after working before

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defaultro:

yes

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defaultro:

it will work for weeks, months but today, it shutted off 4 times

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QuesarVII:

turn the breaker back off and test for a short from hot to ground instead of hot to neutral. that could be the prob instead

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QuesarVII:

hot is the fatter of the 2 slots in the outlet

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hads:

If it's intermittant then it's likely not a short

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defaultro:

k

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QuesarVII:

ground is the round hole

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defaultro:

round hole?

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defaultro:

oh

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defaultro:

:)

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QuesarVII:

you have a 3 prong outlet, right?

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defaultro:

yes

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defaultro:

i got it

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defaultro:

but how do i konw which one is hot?

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QuesarVII:

hot is the bigger one

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defaultro:

the lower one then

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QuesarVII:

polarized outlets have hot as the bigger of the 2 slots

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defaultro:

that's a very nice info :)

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QuesarVII:

the one on the left is hot

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defaultro:

so bigger hole is always hot then

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QuesarVII:

yes

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defaultro:

oh, mine is horizontal

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QuesarVII:

unless it's wired incorrectly that is

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defaultro:

yep

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QuesarVII:

it has a sideways T shape for the left one?

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defaultro:

I will turn it off then connect it to big hole and round hole

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defaultro:

it's like this =.

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QuesarVII:

ah, ok

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QuesarVII:

yes, the lower one then

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defaultro:

yep

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defaultro:

so again, i will connect lower and round

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defaultro:

does it matter if red goes to ground

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defaultro:

and should I set it to resistance again?

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QuesarVII:

doesn't matter which is which

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QuesarVII:

set it to resistance

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

brb

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defaultro:

oh

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JoeyJoeJo:

My mythweb listings are rendering weird on safari. www.trinitygc.com/mythweb.tiff

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JoeyJoeJo:

7:00pm is really wide, but 7:15pm it tiny

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defaultro:

does it matter what tip I should connect to the ground? Should it be the black tip?

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QuesarVII:

doesn't matter

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QuesarVII:

you're just checking if current will flow between the 2, so it won't matter what direction it's in

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QuesarVII:

it only matters when things like diodes are being used as they only flow one way

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defaultro:

ok, cb is off now

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hads:

JoeyJoeJo: That's odd.

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JoeyJoeJo:

hads: thats what I thought

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hads:

No obvious causes like a really long title?

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defaultro:

Quesar, it became 0?

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defaultro:

Quesar, it became 0.

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JoeyJoeJo:

hads: let me check

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RvnPhnx:

QuesarVII forgive the gap.......I was on another VT and didn't get dinged...... I'm using a WinTV-GO for the video/audio capture from RF, and using the line-in for the audio (patched from the back of the PCI card)

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JoeyJoeJo:

hads: nope, no long titles

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QuesarVII:

you'll need a patch for mplayer to work with myth's files

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defaultro:

Quesar, some are .01

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QuesarVII:

default – it's 0 there?

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QuesarVII:

only some are 0 though, not all?

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defaultro:

yes

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RvnPhnx:

QuesarVII ok......., now I just have to find it........ at least the stuff that didn't get recorded RTJpeg can be transcoded with ffmpeg for testing.....

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QuesarVII:

rvnphnx – i think the absolute latest mplayer has the patch in it already

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defaultro:

2 outlets are .01

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QuesarVII:

and the others are just 0?

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defaultro:

then another 2 outlets are flat 0.0

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hads:

JoeyJoeJo: Does it happen all the time or only in that exact timeslot?

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QuesarVII:

looks like a short from hot to ground then

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defaultro:

total of 4 outlets

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QuesarVII:

disconnect the outlets one at a time from the circuit and test individually

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RvnPhnx:

QuesarVII great......, now I just need to figure out how to build it (I think I'll have to put that off until next week)

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hads:

That's odd for an intermittant trip on the circut breaker.

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tcpsyn_:

is there a way that I can get better debugging info on the segfault from mythfrontend?

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defaultro:

so I will pull the socket and directly connect the red and black to the screw where the wire is connected?

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RvnPhnx:

tcpsyn_ did you read the gdb instrutions in the docs yet?

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tcpsyn_:

RvnPhnx, no.

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JoeyJoeJo:

hads: now that you mention it, it seems to be the first time slot, no matter what that is

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RvnPhnx:

tcpsyn_ well, I'd start there, or do some sort of strace voodoo (but that may be more than you really want to mess with)

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JoeyJoeJo:

hads: I should tell you that it looks ok on the same computer using firefox

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tcpsyn_:

yeah, I don't really understand that.

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defaultro:

I don't see a ground wire

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defaultro:

there are only 2 wires

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hads:

JoeyJoeJo: Interesting, I use Konqueror (similar to Safari) and it's OK.

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JoeyJoeJo:

hads: doesn't safari use khtml to render?

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hads:

Yeah

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tcpsyn_:

RvnPhnx, that gdb part in the docs is for the backend, I'm having trouble with the frontend

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RvnPhnx:

tcpsyn_ same rules apply

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hads:

JoeyJoeJo: What verison on myth?

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tcpsyn_:

I'm using gentoo, I'm not really sure how to add that debugging feature, is it just a use flag?

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defaultro:

Quaser, should I expect the value not to change?

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JoeyJoeJo:

hads: .20_p12325 from portage

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hads:

And it's definitly always like that in the first column?

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RvnPhnx:

tcpsyn_ the easiest way is to probably just make use of the ./configure script option (however one hacks that into an ebuild)

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JoeyJoeJo:

hads: yeah, doesn't matter what day or time

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tcpsyn_:

It's weird, the recordings play in mplayer, and the previews play in mythfrontend.. but as soon as I select one.. segfault

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hads:

JoeyJoeJo: How odd. Want to send me through the HTML from a page?

[02:44:57]

JoeyJoeJo:

sure

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hads:

Acutally just pastebin it if you like.

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JoeyJoeJo:

you just read my mind

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JoeyJoeJo:

hads: pastebin is taking forever

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hads:

pastebin.ca?

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JoeyJoeJo:

I'm at .com.. I'll try ca

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hads:

Yeah, ca is usually faster

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JoeyJoeJo:

http://pastebin.ca/351343

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hads:

Wow, slow

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JoeyJoeJo:

yeah, tell me about it.. it hasn't moved for me yet

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JoeyJoeJo:

sweet, just came up for me

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tcpsyn_:

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.

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tcpsyn_:

[Switching to Thread -1363149936 (LWP 25437)]

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tcpsyn_:

0xb50d1fbb in _db_return_ () from /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.15

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tcpsyn_:

is that it?

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RvnPhnx:

tcpsyn_ looks like something associated with your database client libs blew up, but that's just a guess

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kormoc:

tcpsyn_, run revdep-rebuild (part of gentoolkit)

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hads:

JoeyJoeJo: OK, just looking to see if I can see anything glaringly obvious

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tcpsyn_:

revdep-rebuild is clean

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LabMonkey:

ok

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LabMonkey:

I'm convinced that there's a hardware issue now

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tcpsyn_:

Dynamic linking on your system is consistent... All done.

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JoeyJoeJo:

hads: ok.. just wondering, are you a mythweb dev?

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hads:

Na, but webdev is part of my job

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tcpsyn_:

the videos work if I stream them with mythstreamtv.. so that must mean the sql issue is on the frontend, right?

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JoeyJoeJo:

hads: gotcha.. thanks for all your help BTW

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kormoc:

tcpsyn_, something is funky with the frontend, aye

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kormoc:

tcpsyn_, I assume you've re-emerged it?

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tcpsyn_:

few times, yeah.

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hads:

No worries, I haven't done anything :) I don't think it's in the HTML actually.

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kormoc:

JoeyJoeJo, it's actually likely a safari bug, as it doesn't appear to do that on mine. Can you check in firefox/opera ?

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tcpsyn_:

kormoc, I've recently upgraded world, added a gig of memory, and a second nvidia card.

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hads:

kormoc: It works for him in Firefox

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kormoc:

yeah, safari has strange table rendering issues from time to time

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hads:

Mmm.

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kormoc:

basically it'll shrink it down to fit on the page and wrap, likely there's a few nowrap's missing in the listings page

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RvnPhnx:

QuesarVII will that mplayer patch handle RTJpeg files?

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JoeyJoeJo:

well it's not really a big deal

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kormoc:

tcpsyn_, that's bloody strange...

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tcpsyn_:

aye, it's boggling me.

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kormoc:

tcpsyn_, just as testing, can you remove/disable the second nvidia card? it shouldn't matter, but worth a try

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tcpsyn_:

I tried disabling it.

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tcpsyn_:

But it made no difference.

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tcpsyn_:

And it did work once.. last night, on the second card.

[03:04:02]

tcpsyn_:

but then I bounced the box, and it hasn't worked again since.

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kormoc:

have you attempted re-emerging qt 3.x?

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tcpsyn_:

no...

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kormoc:

worth a shot

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tcpsyn_:

I'll try it.. but why?

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kormoc:

well, that's the package that handles the mysql querys for myth

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tcpsyn_:

what's qt have to do with watching videos?

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kormoc:

tcpsyn_, and given the error message you gave is in that lib, it might just be damnaged

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JoeyJoeJo:

is it possible to use the ir receiver in the macbook to accept a third party remote that has more buttons?

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sunnyhours4130:

why is lirc not working for me?!?!? agghh!!! lol

[03:15:52]

mythbox:

Anyone have the URL to juski's webpage?

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tcpsyn_:

http://www.juski.co.uk/

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xris:

mythbox: he's not juski anymore. heh.

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mythbox:

oh, who is he and what's the name of his new theme?

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sunnyhours4130:

blootube?

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mythbox:

i thought he had some neon looking one

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sunnyhours4130:

oh not sure

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mythbox:

i just saw it the other day

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xris:

mythbox: neon

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xris:

I don't think it's released yet.

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mythbox:

but it was on his page, i just wanted to show my roommate

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hads:

It's not there at the moment.

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hads:

He must have removed it for the moment

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mythbox:

oh, strange... he's not juski anymore? what's his new name?

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tcpsyn_:

kormoc, I'm using qt4 .. is that a problem?

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hads:

Using QT4 for what?

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JoeyJoeJo:

has any progress been made on getting mythfrontend to run on a ps3?

[03:27:21]

xris:

mythbox: he uses his real name.. justinh

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xris:

well, a variant thereof

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kormoc:

tcpsyn_, you have both qt4 and 3 installed

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xris:

tcpsyn_: amazing how many people call him kormac... most common misspelling/mispronounciation

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tcpsyn_:

heh.

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xris:

you'd think people would learn that their irc clients have tab-complete on nicks.

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hads:

heh

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tcpsyn_:

xris, mine's commas.

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xris:

commas?

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kormoc:

comma complete? that sounds icky

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hads:

Doesn't it

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tcpsyn_:

and you know how many times I type no, .. to have it resolve to someones name. Really annoying.

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hads:

Ew

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tcpsyn_:

I just don't see a qt ebuild in my emerge search

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tcpsyn_:

qt3

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tcpsyn_:

* dev-libs/dbus-qt3-old

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tcpsyn_:

I got that

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kormoc:

tcpsyn_, equery list -i qt

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tcpsyn_:

I'll be damned.

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kormoc:

tcpsyn_, you can have more then one version of a single ebuild installed

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tcpsyn_:

emerge --search qt just didn't come up with it.

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tcpsyn_:

bah. what the hell else could it be.

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kormoc:

next things I'd do is to re-merge mysql and then myth just to be sure, but again, unlikely to do anything

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tcpsyn_:

I did.

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tcpsyn_:

no love

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daum:

hey guys quick question, is their a module for mythtv that allows you to stream the video over the internet?

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kormoc:

no

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kormoc:

well, you can steam to remote frontends

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daum:

know of a program that does allow you to stream it?

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daum:

kormoc, hrm

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kormoc:

and there's ones to transcode and stream via mythstreamtv

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kormoc:

but it's not offical

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daum:

kormoc, ok

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hads:

Or from mythweb

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kormoc:

there's the asx 'stream' if you have a new version of mythweb, but it's not really a stream :P

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hads:

Yeah

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kormoc:

it's just a streamed download, can't jump forward in it

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hads:

A pretending http stream

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kormoc:

but nothign akin to youtube (yet)

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tcpsyn_:

alright I can't take it anymore.

[04:32:46]

tcpsyn_:

Nothing I do seems to have any effect. I can't even get it to throw a different message.

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tank-man:

did you try with qt3 ?

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tcpsyn_:

I can't find the qt3 package to reemerge.

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hads:

Is it not just qt?

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tcpsyn_:

thats qt4

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hads:

I don't know anything about Gentoo but did you see this...

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hads:

14:32:35 <+kormoc> tcpsyn_, you can have more then one version of a single ebuild installed

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tcpsyn_:

hads, I don't know how man.

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quink:

any of you using vlc for streaming video?

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kormoc:

tcpsyn_, emerge emerge =qt-3.3*

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tcpsyn_:

quink, I am.

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quink:

does it give you any trouble?

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tcpsyn_:

kormoc, I'll be damned.

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tcpsyn_:

quink, you using mythstreamtv?

[04:52:17]

quink:

nope

[04:52:18]

tcpsyn_:

yeah, it gave me a lot of trouble.

[04:52:21]

quink:

stopped working properly for me a while back.

[04:52:36]

quink:

vlc was working fine...upgraded to a new more powerful system and now its not working right

[04:52:40]

tcpsyn_:

kormoc, thank you.

[04:52:54]

quink:

things seem fine for the first 30 seconds or so, then it goes into slow motion.

[04:53:00]

tcpsyn_:

cpu ok?

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kormoc:

tcpsyn_, you might want to go to church sometime, you have been damned quite a lot

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quink:

yep.

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quink:

its a hell of a lot more powerful then my old system. socket A 2600+ upgraded to a s939 3000+

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tcpsyn_:

kormoc, If I thought it would do any good..

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tcpsyn_:

quink, get anything in the output?

[04:54:24]

quink:

yeah.

[04:54:29]

quink:

i can show oyu a sample if you want.

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quink:

it streams properly then just slows down. audio gets weird

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tcpsyn_:

I probably can't help much, but I'll look at it.

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quink:

one sec then.

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tcpsyn_:

I probably can't help much, but I'll look at it.

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quink:

mms://optimusprimal.com:8001

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quink:

might be a bit slow. have some traffic on the server right now.

[04:58:37]

quink:

same command i've always been using to get it started.

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tcpsyn_:

seems to be working ok...

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quink:

are you sure?

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quink:

for me the audio is dragging.

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quink:

shit. i never thought of this but it might be on the recieving end.

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tcpsyn_:

nope. it's working fine... buffering quite a bit, but..

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tcpsyn_:

sounds ok.

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quink:

not slow motion type sound?

[05:00:35]

tcpsyn_:

nope.

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tcpsyn_:

just.. regular sound.

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quink:

weird.

[05:00:57]

quink:

well then i guess its this end. i'll have to look into things and see whats happening with my player.

[05:01:01]

quink:

haven't done any changes.

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quink:

thanks!

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tcpsyn_:

why not use mythstreamtv?

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quink:

tcpsyn_: the controls on mythstream stoped wroking

[05:01:32]

quink:

and it seems to have stopped active development.

[05:01:45]

tcpsyn_:

it still works.

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J-e-f-f-A:

quink: There's an updated page with v1.11 iirc out there... I installed it on .20 and it seems to work fine.

[05:03:24]

quink:

got a link?

[05:03:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

It's really just a couple of php pages that kick off the vlc stream the same way you're doing manually.

[05:03:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

one sec... I'll find it...

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quink:

yeah.

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quink:

thats how i quickly figured out the vlc command line stuff.

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tcpsyn_:

yea.

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tcpsyn_:

mythstreamtv is just a cleaner way to do it remotely.

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EnterUserName:

hey all

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EnterUserName:

is there a mythfrontend for windows?

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tcpsyn_:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 02?page=last

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tcpsyn_:

kormoc, no love with the new qt.

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tcpsyn_:

what could it be.

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quink:

damn. well windows media player is fucking up i guess.

[05:07:00]

quink:

no clue how to fix it.

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tcpsyn_:

can you increase the buffer size?

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quink:

tried no change

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tcpsyn_:

or decrease the audio quality?

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tcpsyn_:

from vlc?

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quink:

yeah been messing around.

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quink:

i don't get it cause all i changed was my mythtv computer. using same VLC command line stuff, same laptop to receive

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tcpsyn_:

it this the first time you've tested it?

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quink:

well, i used to stream lal the time on the old system.

[05:08:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

quink: still looking... I've got it here somewhere...

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quink:

weird. i tried a vmware session of windows 2k and tried accessing the stream there. its fubard

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tcpsyn_:

the stream in vmware does the same thing?

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quink:

yep

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tcpsyn_:

I was just grabbing it with vlc

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quink:

starts of good then slows down.

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quink:

for some rason i can't use VLC in windows to open the stream.

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tcpsyn_:

try a different stream? could be the source recording? Maybe I didn't wait long enough?

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quink:

let me load it up again. give it 30seconds-1minute

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quink:

its up

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tcpsyn_:

still seems fine to me.

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tcpsyn_:

kinda jumpy..

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quink:

how are you accessing the stream?

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tcpsyn_:

totem

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tcpsyn_:

you just kill it?

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quink:

yeah

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quink:

not much more i can do from here, i'll try it on a different system tomorrow and see whats up.

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tcpsyn_:

damn. myth aint working for me, at least I was watching the simpsons.

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quink:

hahah. if you want to watch i'll let it go

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tcpsyn_:

I don't know man, it seems fine.

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tcpsyn_:

nah, its cool.

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tcpsyn_:

heh.

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tcpsyn_:

thanks though

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quink:

well i set WMP to buffer 50 seconds. lets see what happens.

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quink:

still does it. damn.

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J-e-f-f-A:

quink: I can't find the link atm... It's mythstreamtv v1.10 iirc... I probably still have the the tarball on my new system – but I've got to get to bed now. drop me a pvt / msg with your email addr if you want me to send it to you when I find it.

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quink:

ok. i'll be around in the channel

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tcpsyn:

Man, I don't want to rebuild the whole machine over this

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Ediehow:

hi friends

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EnterUserName:

well

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EnterUserName:

winmyth is out of the question ... doesn't support 0.20

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Ediehow:

one of myv ideos from the other night, and only one, is playing slow video(not stopping, just slow)

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EnterUserName:

only suppots 0.19 :(

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tcpsyn:

is it bigger or smaller in size?

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Ediehow:

tcpsyn: you talking ot me?

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tcpsyn:

aye

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Ediehow:

it and the one recorded after it are 1.4gb

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Ediehow:

1hr

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Ediehow:

i am confused

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tcpsyn:

just wondering

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tank-man:

Ediehow, check the recording profile for that show, you might have set it to alwasy play 0.8x speed

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Ediehow:

how do i increase the speed while it's playing?

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tank-man:

press 'a', then left or right

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J-e-f-f-A:

quink: I don't give up easy.... found it... http://jochensserver.dyndns.org

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quink:

nice.

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Ediehow:

not that i can see through mythweb

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** cesman wonders who mentioned him... **

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Ediehow:

i don't get what's wrong

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cesman:

SCALE was great!

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Ediehow:

guess i have to watch it in gmplayer:O

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J-e-f-f-A:

I did 'tweak' the web pages to be nicer, including a direct 'stream this program' link from my 'recordings' mythweb page... ;-)

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tcpsyn:

X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8

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** J-e-f-f-A ok... off to bed... ttyl guys — and quink – let me know how you make out with mythstreamtv... ;-) **

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quink:

J-e-f-f-A: thanks

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TomHung:

god i'm having a hell of a time.. i thought this was supposed to be easy

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TomHung:

i can't get it to show my (watch tv)

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** [shodan] laughs at TomHung **

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[shodan]:

-easy- ? who told you that ;)

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TomHung:

haah

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TomHung:

guess free always has a price

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[shodan]:

the fact that support is in #mythtv-users and not #mythtv should really set the tone on what the devs think about users and "ease of use" ;)

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TomHung:

well i followed http://www.djlosch.com/article_How-to%3A_Ubun . . . auge_PVR-150

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TomHung:

and i'm not new to linux

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TomHung:

but i cant get the damn thing to play tv

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[shodan]:

TomHung, don't worry even the paid for stuff has a price, as in ads when you fast forward if you'd get a tivo

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TomHung:

mplayer /dev/video0 works great

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TomHung:

yup

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** TomHung downloading knoppMyth to try that approach **

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TomHung:

i have a hauppauge 150..

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TomHung:

direvt tv

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kormoc:

TomHung, have a ir blaster?

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TomHung:

no

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kormoc:

TomHung, how are you planning to change channels on the direct tv receiver?

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TomHung:

default HP remote

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kormoc:

TomHung, so you're not planning on having mythtv record from it?

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TomHung:

right now i'll take having it play via mythtv

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kormoc:

TomHung, well, just keep in mind, you'll need a ir blaster before myth can record from it

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cesman:

<TomHung> and i'm not new to linux

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cesman:

:)

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cesman:

that is why I created KnoppMyth

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kormoc:

TomHung, you have all the listings setup via zap2it and downloaded?

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TomHung:

yup

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TomHung:

cesman: 79% down :)

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cesman:

:)

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[shodan]:

anyone got dvb radio stations working ? or at least get mythfrontend not to choke on dvb radio and off air stations ? that would be so great

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justinh:

grrr another 3 ubunut problems on the forums again :(

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justinh:

be funny to make 'ubuntu' a banned word

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Dagmar:

You would be amazed at how often I'd show an interest in what distribution people are running as a result of that

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justinh:

I'm going to start advocating people don't even try mythtv on ubuntu unless they really know what they're doing

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kormoc:

justinh, I just recommend not and if they know enough, they'll ignore me and go ahead anyway :P

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justinh:

I dunno why our forum should end up being a dumping ground for their problems – it's getting ridiculous now. It's the same here.. if I had $1 for every time I've helped a user fix a 'cannot connect to database' issue I'd be rich

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hads:

Do you think it's generally related to the users experience level or because of the way it's packaged?

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hads:

I can see Ubuntu attracting a 'newbie' type user base.

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justinh:

hads: it's the way it's packaged

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hads:

I admit I've only installed it once via packages but it didn't seem that difficult.

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kormoc:

hads, it's both in my mind, but the way it's packaged really really doesn't help

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justinh:

so it creates the mythtv mysql user but it gives them an arbitrary password... if it was just set to 'mythtv' by default it'd probably stop a lot of this

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hads:

justinh: True, I guess the packager was trying to be more secure.

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hads:

It does seem a little odd putting the mysql config in /etc/ rather than ~

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kormoc:

hads, yeah, but he could have at least told the end user what he set it to

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justinh:

I brought this up already, but AFAIK nothing has yet been done about it

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hads:

Indeed, even if it was just echoed on install at least.

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justinh:

this is partly the reason I walked away from the 'make mythtv rock on ubuntu' team

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hads:

Bah, I'm getting grumpy trying to figure out this python-xlib library

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justinh:

it's still in the bloody to-do list!

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justinh:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MythTVTeam/TODO

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justinh:

this was all brought up last October & still nothing has changed :(

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justinh:

damn netsplits

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adante:

hi

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adante:

would it be ok to upload some icon images directly to the mythtv wiki?

[09:29:22]

Dagmar:

Are they part of an actual text document?

[09:30:10]

adante:

Dagmar: well, i am about to edit an entry in the Australian TV Listings wiklet to point to them

[09:30:32]

adante:

(not yet, but they would be once i uploaded them)

[09:30:52]

Dagmar:

Let me put this another way

[09:31:05]

Dagmar:

It's not appropriate to just upload files unless they're intended to be a part of a document

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Dagmar:

I.e., if there's an illustration involved for an explanation, that's fine

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Dagmar:

Uploading a tarball of images for people to download and install is not.

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adante:

ok, cheers

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adante:

not Dagmar Cleftjaw?

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justinh:

tv station logos are likely copyright of the tv stations themselves, so there might be licencing issues

[09:58:55]

quicksilver:

might you this might be fair use

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quicksilver:

I wouldn't want to bet on it though :)

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Dagmar:

No cleftjaw here.

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Dagmar:

justinh: I really wish they weren't so picky about that, too. We could almost assuredly come up with better looking channel icons than what's been made available.

[10:24:00]

Dagmar:

It seems like the least-skilled person possible at each station made their icons most of the time.

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adante:

heh, you should be grateful your tv guide data is freely available :]

[10:33:36]

justinh:

heheheh. bow, scrape, kiss their arses etc

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justinh:

there's not enough gratitude going on

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gardengnome:

gna

[10:52:05]

gardengnome:

just found the commit that broke minimyth for me

[10:52:12]

gardengnome:

gonna have to yell at pablo ;)

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doc_:

hi there

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mpathy:

Hi there!

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justinh:

hmmm I can see why so many mythtv users think that whining about stuff is classed as 'contributing'

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mpathy:

how good is support for dvb-s under mythtv? want to build together a via-mini-itx-board based htpc and use mythtv for dvb-s and other stuff

[11:03:30]

justinh:

it's about as good as driver support for it

[11:03:32]

justinh:

try it

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justinh:

RIAandSCO: you're not gonna make any friends in here with that nick :-P

[11:16:20]

mpathy:

justinh: Some good suggestions for PCI or USB DVB-S cards or boxes? preferably some who also works if my pc is turned off

[11:16:52]

justinh:

a suggestion for a pci card that works when the PC is turned off?! are you for real?!

[11:17:24]

mpathy:

justinh: no! I mean standalone dvb-s with USB :)

[11:17:26]

mpathy:

sorry

[11:17:31]

mpathy:

in that case

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justinh:

I don't know of any dvb-s boxes that have USB

[11:18:35]

justinh:

there's the dreambox which can stream over a network connection, but it's not USB

[11:18:53]

mpathy:

Hauppage have one which looked nice but I cannot find it in a shop here

[11:19:08]

cake:

hey guys, anyone ever had the problem that the output is on the wrong interface after installing nvidia drivers?

[11:19:10]

justinh:

check the linuxtv wiki to see which cards are supported in linux

[11:19:16]

mpathy:

ok

[11:19:37]

cake:

i just installed the latest nvidia on ubuntu edgy and my lcd monitor went dead

[11:20:14]

justinh:

all is good except it doesn't work...

[11:20:33]

justinh:

probably using a video mode the lcd doesn't support

[11:21:44]

Dagmar:

Yep

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cake:

hm

[11:22:29]

cake:

that could be

[11:22:40]

cake:

i thought it would scale that itself

[11:22:44]

cake:

lets try..

[11:22:46]

cake:

brb

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Dagmar:

No, it'll scale for resolution issues.

[11:23:38]

cake:

so with videomode u mean?

[11:23:43]

Dagmar:

If you send it a signal that's say, 81Hz (which is about 6Hz past what some LCDs will tolerate) it'll just tell you take your signal and get stuffed

[11:24:15]

cake:

heh

[11:24:19]

Dagmar:

I.e., go look up the actual refresh rates for your display and configure X for them.

[11:24:41]

Dagmar:

Probably best if you run it in it's "native resolution" as well

[11:26:16]

cake:

right

[11:26:25]

cake:

so howcome the screen doesnt come back when i shut down gdm?

[11:26:39]

Dagmar:

Video driver doens't like you

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cake:

aparently

[11:26:46]

cake:

:p

[11:26:59]

Dagmar:

I'm not guessing at something like that, and I don't have enough detail about your config to speculate accurately.

[11:27:28]

cake:

yeah im guessing u are correct

[11:27:43]

cake:

its an old lcd monitor which doesnt even have dvi

[11:27:52]

Dagmar:

Where most people screw up is they see their shiny new panel is about to be configured for 60Hz, which from CRT's they've been told can cause "flickering", which the really don't know what it means, but they think it's bad, so they'll try and override things to 72 or 81 or (god help us) 135Hz

[11:27:55]

RIAandSCO:

the d'Surreal is memorable

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cake:

Section "Monitor" Identifier "Generic Monitor" HorizSync 28.0 – 64.0 VertRefresh 43.0 – 60.0 Option "DPMS"

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cake:

EndSection

[11:29:29]

cake:

thats what i have in the file man

[11:29:32]

cake:

nothing above 60

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arnducky:

refresh rate I mean — I know flatpanels don't Vsync or scan

[11:29:48]

Dagmar:

Those settings look like they're likely insane

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Dagmar:

cake: what make and model is your flatpanel

[11:30:10]

Dagmar:

I'll break one of my rules and google it for you just to get things rolliong

[11:30:10]

cake:

gimme a sec

[11:30:22]

arnducky:

not like a CRT — all those transistors can basically switch at the same time

[11:30:55]

arnducky:

flatpanels should ignore everything but 60 Hz

[11:31:24]

arnducky:

(or whatever other presets they have built-in)

[11:31:34]

Dagmar:

Sometimes they do. Some can handle a wider array of rates.

[11:31:35]

** arnducky is confuzzled **

[11:31:38]

hads:

Cool, I've got the beginnings of some ssh based remote control going on :)

[11:31:40]

Dagmar:

Most just fuck up

[11:32:52]

arnducky:

so how the Gehenna do you hack into them? Powercycle while sending some expected handshake bit or something like a router or bridge?

[11:33:27]

Dagmar:

why would you even want to "hack" into a TFT?

[11:34:40]

** gardengnome used a JTAG cable to put openwrt on his new plasma TV **

[11:34:40]

cake:

Dagmar: i wasnt able to determine make/model of it (it actually doesnt say)

[11:34:43]

cake:

BUT

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arnducky:

Dagmar: I dunno — i thought that's what you were discussing with cake

[11:35:10]

cake:

the windows box its normally connected to has the following settings: 32bit 1152x864 60 Hz

[11:35:11]

arnducky:

(doh)

[11:35:25]

Dagmar:

cake: Well, then that's probably what you want to use

[11:35:59]

cake:

yeah but the vertrefresh is already set to 43.0 – 60.0

[11:36:07]

** justinh prepares the clue-trout **

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cake:

doesnt that mean it doesnt go above 60 Hz ?

[11:36:24]

Dagmar:

cake: It also means that 43Hz is to be considered acceptable.

[11:36:27]

Dagmar:

...and it's likely *not*.

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Dagmar:

Just change that to 60

[11:36:40]

Dagmar:

er 60.0

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cake:

and defaultdepth is set to 24

[11:37:24]

Dagmar:

Of course

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cake:

which has max setting of 1024x768

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cake:

which i changed manually just now to see

[11:37:45]

Dagmar:

So, seriously, there's not a sticker on the back of the thing that has a model number or FCC ID?

[11:38:00]

cake:

yeah it has

[11:38:04]

cake:

it says l-171

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cake:

thats a L

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Dagmar:

Model L-171? What maker?

[11:38:22]

Dagmar:

IBM

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cake:

it doesnt say

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cake:

its not a lenovo

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Dagmar:

It's a 17"

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cake:

i searched it myself

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cake:

yes

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hads:

I usually have my laptop on the couch and I don't have a keyboard on my mythbox... with this bit of python I've hacked up I can sit on the couch and send keypresses directly to the frontend. It's pretty cool for changing settings and what not.

[11:38:56]

Dagmar:

Handy

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Dagmar:

cake: What I'm finding so far is that it's native res is 1280x1024, actually

[11:39:54]

cake:

damn i just switched the cable back and what do you know

[11:39:57]

cake:

its up and running

[11:40:04]

cake:

damn that vertrefresh did the trick!

[11:40:11]

Dagmar:

http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/uscat.nsf/$wwwpartnumlookup/_9417AB1

[11:40:24]

hads:

I'll post it somewhere when I'm done. It's mostly just a hacking together of bits and pieces I found around the show – after a number of hours searching.

[11:40:31]

Dagmar:

Looks like that one can handle slightly more than just 60, but 43 is/was out of the question

[11:40:38]

Dagmar:

Should be 55.0 – 75.0

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Dagmar:

...and 30Khz to 83Khz for the other

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cake:

for the other?

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Dagmar:

Yes, "other". Like the URL sez, 55–75 for vertical refresh, 30–83 for horizontal refresh

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cake:

ah ye

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Dagmar:

It's just about in the middle of the page

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Dagmar:

All things being equal tho' it's probably pretty safe to leave the vertical refresh rate at 60 only...

[11:44:18]

cake:

yeah i suppose so cause i just changed it and now it died again

[11:44:18]

cake:

hehe

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Dagmar:

...in part because if you're watching NTSC this should sync up pretty well with broadcasts

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cake:

its pal over here man :)

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cake:

<-- norway

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Dagmar:

Ah.

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Dagmar:

No way to safely aim for 50Hz there.

[11:45:03]

Dagmar:

...but at least you won't have visible artifacting going on since the panel stays lit all the time

[11:45:17]

Dagmar:

If it were flashing frames up on a CRT it would be more noticeable

[11:45:20]

cake:

oki but ill be using the projector mostly after the config is finished

[11:45:36]

cake:

so i guess im gonna have to do some dualhead configig or whatever later on

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: is your gar-minimyth checkout up to date, eg have you run svn up lately? i'm asking because mine seems horribly broken after svn up...

[11:46:41]

Dagmar:

http://blairhouse.homeip.net/xorg.conf <-- lacks two or so lines being a dual-monitor setup. It's *not* hard to do.

[11:47:05]

Dagmar:

Define two monitors, define two display areas, define the relationship between them, and you're done.

[11:51:41]

justinh:

with LCDs & plasmas you should always aim to output at the native res. of the display

[11:53:04]

cake:

bah

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cake:

crap

[11:53:11]

cake:

now its not working again all of a sudden

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cake:

wth

[11:54:29]

gardengnome:

hads: heh, just found your posting on linpvr.org. you're having exactly the same problem as i do ;)

[11:54:59]

Merlin83b:

Nooooooooooooooooo!

[11:55:08]

Merlin83b:

Tried mytharchive for the first time last night.

[11:55:26]

Merlin83b:

17 hours later

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Merlin83b:

ERR: Cannot jump to chapter 2 of title 1, only 1 exist

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Merlin83b:

ERR: in VTSM pgc 0, button 2

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Merlin83b:

************************************************************

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Merlin83b:

ERROR: Failed while running dvdauthor. Result: 1

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Merlin83b:

************************************************************

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Merlin83b:

Terminated

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hads:

gardengnome: The fan thing?

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** Merlin83b finds a -users post saying to disable a setting. Going to have to rerun the lot now :( **

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gardengnome:

Merlin83b: how slow is your box?

[12:03:29]

Merlin83b:

Oh so very slow.

[12:03:35]

Merlin83b:

Epia m10k :)

[12:03:59]

gardengnome:

hads: actually my mm_HOME is set to a different build tree than the one i'm using. gah. serves me right for messing with different check outs

[12:04:05]

Merlin83b:

Perhaps I should try archiving something very short first to test it rather than going straight for a huge recording :)

[12:04:22]

gardengnome:

Merlin83b: it might be faster if you recorded in native dvd resolution

[12:04:26]

gardengnome:

yep ;)

[12:04:36]

Merlin83b:

I record in native PAL already, DVB-T.

[12:04:40]

gardengnome:

ah

[12:04:50]

gardengnome:

did you tell mytharchive to re-encode your files with ffmpeg?

[12:04:59]

Merlin83b:

It seems to be doing that, yes.

[12:05:15]

Merlin83b:

I didn't really tell it very much, just thought I'd tell it to go and see what happened :)

[12:05:43]

Merlin83b:

Should I be telling it to not do that?

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gardengnome:

Merlin83b: you'll have to find out ;)

[12:06:30]

Merlin83b:

So worth a try then :)

[12:06:38]

gardengnome:

i haven't used mytharchive in a long time, but it won#t necessarily re-encode your files

[12:06:54]

gardengnome:

although not all DVB-t transmissions are full PAL resolution in germany

[12:07:01]

justinh:

recordings that have changes in the number of audio streams can be troublesome

[12:07:10]

Merlin83b:

| MythArchiveAlwaysUseMythTranscode | 1

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Merlin83b:

justinh: How would that happen?

[12:07:35]

justinh:

when the broadcasters switch AD on & off

[12:07:42]

Merlin83b:

Ah right.

[12:07:54]

gardengnome:

hads: thanks, now i'm past those errors. i'll start with a fresh checkout (again)

[12:08:18]

hads:

gardengnome: Cool. Are yout running minimyth already?

[12:08:45]

gardengnome:

hads: no, i'm going to make it run on the S100.

[12:09:00]

hads:

Oh yep, I think I've seen you talking about that.

[12:09:14]

Dagmar:

I think yer not trying hard enough yet. ;)

[12:09:24]

hads:

I'm trying to figure out why my CPU fan doesn't spin :)

[12:09:38]

gardengnome:

hads: :) gar-minimyth can be quite confusing, though. do you know why there is a gar-minimyth/devel/ directory? does the stuff in there actually do anything?

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: obviously. i'm constantly getting distracted, it's embarrassing ;)

[12:10:16]

gardengnome:

hads: you've got to have a very quiet frontend then

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justinh:

hmm distractions :)

[12:10:35]

hads:

gardengnome: Na, I haven't figured out the build system yet (only the parts I needed to).

[12:10:55]

hads:

Yes, it is very quiet, and also 60 degrees C :/

[12:11:04]

justinh:

my epia's CPU fan doesn't spin

[12:11:19]

justinh:

.. mostly because it's stuffed in a drawer out of the way :-P

[12:11:19]

gardengnome:

justinh: projectgrayhem made me sad. you have to cheer me up because you made the theme

[12:11:28]

hads:

justinh: Heh

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justinh:

!trout gardengnome happy

[12:11:31]

** MythLogBot slaps gardengnome with a happy trout on behalf of justinh... **

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gardengnome:

yay

[12:12:41]

cake:

what would be safe defaults for the horizSync ?

[12:13:36]

justinh:

cake: you can't make a flat panel explode with a dodgy xorg.conf

[12:13:55]

hads:

Which is a good thing

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cake:

heh but i would like *some* picture at least

[12:13:58]

Dagmar:

Goddamn mplayer

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Dagmar:

They even change their bloody optional configure arguments between releases

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gardengnome:

hads: interesting. i've used the ${HOME} variable in my mm_HOME path. looks like it didn't like that.

[12:15:48]

justinh:

yeah why exactly is it that they feel the need to change command syntax more often than they change their underwear?

[12:16:34]

justinh:

pvr150/ pvr500

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cake:

difference beeing? (other than price)

[12:17:00]

justinh:

haven't heard anybody whine about pvr500 cards for a while so it must now be a non-issue

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cake:

so the 150 doesnt have dual tuner

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justinh:

pvr500 is a dual tuner card with 2 mpeg encoders

[12:18:01]

cake:

but it costs ~120 euro less

[12:18:37]

Dagmar:

Very anoying that I just had to change --enable-external-faad to --enable-faad-external

[12:18:57]

justinh:

cake: you can only capture SDTV – and only one thing at a time

[12:19:19]

gardengnome:

hads: did you have a "error: the build system does not contain the program 'makeinfo'." error message?

[12:20:04]

cake:

sdtv ?

[12:20:43]

qu0zl:

you really want two tuners if you can cake, makes a world of difference

[12:20:55]

qu0zl:

so a pvr500 or two pvr150s

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Dagmar:

gardengnome: You're not trying to actually build with the restricted environment are you?

[12:21:20]

qu0zl:

sdtv is standard definition tv, you don't have a hdtv feed do you?

[12:21:22]

Dagmar:

Generally you want a PVR-500 over two 150's

[12:21:33]

qu0zl:

i agree

[12:21:37]

cake:

oki, no hdtv yet

[12:21:47]

cake:

i think they have it scheduled for next year

[12:21:50]

qu0zl:

only reason not to is somethings 2 pvr150 can be cheaper, but still not worth it i think

[12:21:57]

qu0zl:

sometimes, even

[12:21:59]

cake:

its alille cheaper

[12:22:09]

cake:

150 = ~90 euro

[12:22:13]

Dagmar:

gardengnome: If you make a feature-complete build environment, there's nothing really keeping you from using it to build the minimyth stuff in a different prefix

[12:22:20]

cake:

500 = ~ 210

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Dagmar:

Errors like a missing makeinfo shouldn't be plaguing you. That's just petty atuff.

[12:22:35]

justinh:

and the fact that hauppauge are sometimes shipping a different card in a PVR150 box

[12:22:44]

qu0zl:

oh yeah, good point justinh

[12:23:02]

Dagmar:

Well, they're shipping PVR-150's regardless, they just use different tuners from time to time, and they do that on the PVR-500 as well

[12:23:02]

cake:

so above all other cards the pvr-500 is preferred?

[12:23:03]

qu0zl:

i'd forgotten they'd started doing that

[12:23:05]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: it looks like there's a dependency on makeinfo/texi2html because it'll also generate some html documentation.

[12:23:35]

cake:

im looking forward for this thing to work :)

[12:23:37]

qu0zl:

Dagmar i read they've started shipping totally different cards as pvr150s due to a supply problems?

[12:23:47]

qu0zl:

that's pure hearsay on my part though

[12:23:50]

Dagmar:

gardengnome: Well, the good news is that's part of "the usual" texinfo package, and you don't have to give a crap whether or not it produces correct output. :)

[12:23:53]

justinh:

it's not hearsay

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qu0zl:

for me it is :)

[12:24:10]

qu0zl:

from me it is even

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justinh:

http://www.colar.net/pvr150/swap_notice.jpeg

[12:24:52]

cake:

damn i forced the damn x to run in 16bit 800x600

[12:24:54]

cake:

and still nothing

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cake:

would anymind having a peak at xorg.log /xorg.conf ?

[12:25:12]

Dagmar:

Ooooo

[12:25:14]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: ;) i'll have to find why exactly it is complaing about makeinfo being missing when it hasn't even build gcc and friends. seems a bit like broken dependencoes ;)

[12:25:26]

Dagmar:

If the HD-1600 works with ivtv I would not be complainin'

[12:25:39]

CyberKnet:

Dagmar: that's a big if, isn't it?

[12:25:51]

Dagmar:

CyberKnee: Well, it's easy enough to check the ivtvdriver site

[12:26:42]

justinh:

ivtv doesn't support it

[12:26:52]

justinh:

it won't be supported for months

[12:26:57]

Dagmar:

Ach

[12:27:29]

Dagmar:

Well, that would definitely be a vote in favor of getting a PVR-500 then

[12:27:42]

CyberKnet:

I do like my 500

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CyberKnet:

justinh: so you hear that ivtv is actually going to support the atsc tuner part as well, or just the SD cable tuner?

[12:28:54]

justinh:

ivtv isn;t going to support *any* of it

[12:29:27]

CyberKnet:

justinh: My bad, I misinterpreted what you wrote

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CyberKnet:

ouch. that is a bad situation.

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justinh:

it's not

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justinh:

it's not a bad situation at all – just because ivtv isn't going to support it – it doesn't mean that it won't be supported by the v4l part of the kernel

[12:33:06]

qu0zl:

i'd still be miffed if i got one mail-order and then had to wait months for it to be usable

[12:33:11]

qu0zl:

very miffed :)

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Zider:

which part of mythtv is creating the needed tables in mysql for mythvideo and stuff?

[12:34:13]

justinh:

folks have reportedly got in touch with Hauppauge & mentioned they bought it for Linux & they get a replacement

[12:34:28]

justinh:

Zider: updatedatabase.cpp IIRC

[12:35:00]

justinh:

each plugin creates the necessary tables the first time it's run

[12:35:31]

Zider:

seems not to..

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GreyFoxx:

actually it's "dbcheck.cpp"

[12:35:57]

GreyFoxx:

it contains an updatedatabase routine which will create as needed

[12:36:00]

Zider:

not available as a command I guess

[12:36:04]

GreyFoxx:

no

[12:36:21]

justinh:

heheh I was almost right

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GreyFoxx:

:)

[12:36:42]

cake:

here goes

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cake:

http://pastebin.ca/351848

[12:36:49]

Zider:

my database is screwed up somehow, mythtv refuses to do some database related stuff, so I'm trying to clear out the bugged tables and recreate them :P

[12:36:59]

justinh:

restore a backup?

[12:37:11]

Zider:

justinh: that complains of missing tables

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cake:

thats after trying ALOT of stuff

[12:37:58]

justinh:

I don't understand all the database corruption people see – only time I've ever had it was when / got full by accident

[12:38:42]

GreyFoxx:

most of it comes from manually fscking with the datrabase or shutting down inproperly.

[12:38:50]

Zider:

justinh: I noticed it a while ago when mythbackend wasn't running because of a mysql error

[12:39:05]

Zider:

dunno what the heck happened

[12:39:29]

Dagmar:

cake: For one thing, you generally never need to let nvidia-xconfig meddle with your xorg.conf

[12:39:46]

Dagmar:

cake: For the other, we need to be told of an actual _problem_ before it will do any good to look at those files

[12:40:03]

cake:

yeah the problem is, no picture on screen

[12:40:14]

justinh:

oh crap. mediaportal are getting multi channel recording using one DVB tuner

[12:40:18]

cake:

and as u said it just might be the settings for the lcd

[12:40:29]

cake:

so what i'd like is some fool-proof settings to start of with

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Dagmar:

cake: So why do you have all those crazy-ass modes defined?

[12:40:37]

Dagmar:

There are no such things.

[12:40:43]

justinh:

or should I say "OH YAY! we can send the whiners off to mediaportal"

[12:40:48]

cake:

just to get the picture back

[12:40:59]

cake:

and then work on improving it

[12:41:02]

justinh:

there's a lesson to be learned here.

[12:41:10]

cake:

Dagmar: i just tried a whole differnt bunch of stuff

[12:41:13]

Dagmar:

cake: where is the _previous_ version of your xorg.conf?

[12:41:16]

justinh:

when you have a worky config, don't edit files without making a backup

[12:41:22]

Dagmar:

cake: ...and that would have been a big mistake.

[12:41:24]

Zider:

GreyFoxx: I haven't done either, as far as I know

[12:41:36]

Dagmar:

You make ONE change at a time, unless you 100% and FOR CERTAIN know you're correcting something

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cake:

yup

[12:42:49]

cake:

oki

[12:42:51]

cake:

lets ee

[12:43:34]

cake:

i have a bunch of previous versions

[12:43:42]

cake:

but they all have pretty much the same settings

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cake:

and they are aparently all after installing the nvidia driver

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cake:

gah

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cake:

i could go and reinstall the whole box

[12:45:09]

cake:

just to get it back woring

[12:45:11]

Dagmar:

Gimme a minute. I'm dorking with this screwed up xorg.conf you have

[12:45:17]

cake:

oki

[12:45:18]

cake:

thx

[12:45:32]

justinh:

I feel like slapping somebody. been bugged by a Vista fanboy all morning & now I'm tired of it

[12:45:46]

arnducky:

slap me, slap me!

[12:46:19]

justinh:

emailed him the tomshardware benchmark of XP vs vista – that'll shut the fecker up

[12:46:36]

Beirdo:

not likely

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Beirdo:

speaking of feckers... my ISP just changed my IP twice in 10 minutes

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: What's the URL to that ?

[12:48:09]

justinh:

http://tomshardware.co.uk/2007/01/30/xp-vs-vista-uk/

[12:48:25]

GreyFoxx:

thx

[12:53:46]

Dagmar:

cake: ...and I'm assuming you actually have an ExplorerPS/2 mouse and not a (slightly plainer) IntellimousePS/2

[12:54:09]

cake:

the mouse works

[12:54:18]

cake:

but ubuntu generated that previous config

[12:54:22]

Dagmar:

okay. About the output of that find command tho?

[12:54:28]

cake:

the nvidia didnt change that much

[12:54:33]

Dagmar:

Oh that would explain quite a bit about it actually. heh

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cake:

usr share fonts x11 type1

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Dagmar:

What does `find /usr -type d -name Type1` say?

[12:55:00]

Dagmar:

Oh that with slashes in the obvious places?

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cake:

ye

[12:55:10]

cake:

and Type1

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cake:

to be specific

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cake:

(and X11)

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cake:

:p

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Dagmar:

okay.

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Dagmar:

http://pastebin.ca/351876

[12:56:46]

Dagmar:

That *should* work

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Dagmar:

...as well as be considerably less broken

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Dagmar:

I fixed the font paths, added the Nologo option, *put your refresh rates back since they were all commented out*, renamed the devices to something explanatory, dumped the cracked out stylus, tablet, and touchscreen entries that were doing nothing but causing noise in the log, and added a faster autorepeat trigger so your keyboard won't "go soft" when you're in X

[12:58:12]

cake:

oh yeah btw, that url with the display u showed me

[12:58:21]

Dagmar:

The default and ONLY resolution it will do with that config will be 1280x1024x24 which should be ideal.

[12:58:25]

cake:

its not that display, it has to be some older version of it

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cake:

we'll try this first tho

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Dagmar:

What makes you think that?

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cake:

it doesnt look like that pic at all?

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Dagmar:

Enh... cosmetic stuff

[12:59:11]

Dagmar:

If you type "ddc" and then hit tab a few times, does it show you a command?

[12:59:11]

cake:

yeah

[12:59:28]

cake:

nope

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cake:

dd and ddate only

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Dagmar:

Drat. I was hoping you'd have ddcxinfo or ddcinfo installed.

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cake:

i can isntall it tho

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cake:

no problem

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Dagmar:

No matter. See if the new xorg.conf works

[13:00:10]

Dagmar:

ddcinfo/ddcxinfo might get us a string from the monitor that would maybe be more specific

[13:27:00]

Dagmar:

If that xorg.conf doens't work, you'll be looking more closely at that big sticker on the back of the display

[13:27:00]

cake:

that option u commented out btw

[13:27:00]

cake:

was taken fromthe ubuntu wiki

[13:27:00]

cake:

ill show u

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cake:

sec

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Dagmar:

I don't have it on here, so I am kinda doubting it's needed, but it will be interesting to see what someone thought it was good for

[13:27:00]

cake:

yeah just realized that setting is probably connected to the beryl stuff

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Dagmar:

*shudder*

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Dagmar:

You do not want beryl in your way

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cake:

http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/BerylOnEdgy

[13:27:01]

cake:

that guide btw

[13:27:01]

cake:

maybe not

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cake:

anyway

[13:27:01]

cake:

it didnt work

[13:27:01]

Dagmar:

Okay, so how did it not work

[13:27:01]

cake:

same result

[13:27:01]

Dagmar:

Did it give you any specific error output to the screen?

[13:27:01]

cake:

no signal to the screen

[13:27:01]

cake:

nope

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Dagmar:

It just exited back out?

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hads:

log

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cake:

it just says "no signal" and shuts itself off

[13:27:01]

cake:

gdm is running

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Dagmar:

Okay, so pastebin the xorg.log again

[13:27:01]

cake:

so its just the screen settings i bet

[13:27:01]

Dagmar:

SCrew gdm

[13:27:01]

Dagmar:

You don't need gdm for Myth

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cake:

i know

[13:27:01]

hads:

Mmm. xinit goodness

[13:27:01]

Dagmar:

So stop letting gdm hide the error output

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cake:

but i still wanted to maintain abit of multifunctionality on the box

[13:27:01]

Dagmar:

Just do a telinit 3 to put it in text mode, and to start it use `startx`

[13:27:01]

Dagmar:

Ahah

[13:27:01]

Dagmar:

I found a couple of things I overlooked the last time

[13:27:01]

Dagmar:

Is that display *silver*?

[13:27:01]

cake:

yes

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cake:

with speakers on the bottom

[13:27:01]

Dagmar:

Look a bit like http://www.overclocking.be/?page=shop/flypage . . . 10bb41104a74 does it?

[13:27:01]

cake:

thats the one

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cake:

damn how did u find that?

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Dagmar:

Look at line 422 in what you pastebinned

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Dagmar:

The video card and monitor talk to each other a bit

[13:27:01]

Dagmar:

I'm going to make a few more tweaks real quick

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cake:

ah

[13:27:01]

cake:

damn

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cake:

laggy wlan on this laptop :s

[13:27:01]

cake:

hey guys, does the pvr-500MCE remote work with linux?

[13:27:01]

Dagmar:

It /probably/ does.

[13:27:01]

Dagmar:

It's LIRC's problem

[13:27:01]

Dagmar:

http://pastebin.ca/351908

[13:27:01]

Dagmar:

That's got a few more tweaks in it. Don't start with GDM, just use `startx`.

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Dagmar:

Then you might get lucky and see something relevant appear on the console afterwards

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cake:

oki was just wondering about remote, iguess one should have one of those as well so

[13:27:58]

cake:

costs alot less without the remote

[13:29:54]

cake:

nope

[13:29:56]

cake:

still nada

[13:30:08]

cake:

the screen flashed once tho

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cake:

and said "no signal"

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hads:

So your console reported absolutely nothing?

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cake:

console reported a whole lot

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cake:

ah crap

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cake:

misread

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cake:

lets see

[13:32:32]

cake:

lemme just paste it

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cake:

brb

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cake:

http://pastebin.ca/351911

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cake:

there we go

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hads:

Hmm, root X

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cake:

it doesnt work when running a "normal user!

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cake:

"

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hads:

Odd. Maybe some verboseness would help

[13:41:59]

hads:

I should be sleeping

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Beirdo:

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Beirdo:

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Beirdo:

ick

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Beirdo:

it's only 290MB :)

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gardengnome:

hads: it's building now. gar-minimyth is really weird. ;)

[13:43:23]

Zider:

hm, my mythbox makes shrieking noises when the cpu is working..

[13:43:39]

gardengnome:

Zider: bad coils?

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Zider:

gardengnome: could that make sound?

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hads:

gardengnome: Cool. Yeah, it's a bit of an odd layout innit

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justinh:

hads: I should be working :-P

[13:44:53]

gardengnome:

Zider: my new über-spiffy geforce 7600 gs does make annoying noises when used in 3d mode. :/

[13:45:04]

Zider:

weird

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dverzolla:

HI All!

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justinh:

slap some hard epoxy onto the inductors

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dverzolla:

Has anyone that use hauppauge to record videos, and after use these videos in final cut?

[13:48:52]

cake:

Dagmar died? :p

[13:48:56]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v j-rod

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justinh:

never used FCP

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justinh:

Sony Vegas, which cost me bigtime, but not FCP

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justinh:

anyway what you might need to do is use ffmpeg to turn the mpeg2 from the pvr card into dvd-compliant mpeg2

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justinh:

ffmpeg -i $inputfilename.mpg -acodec copy -vcodec copy $outputfilename

[13:52:03]

cake:

so what would ppl recommend for using as remote control for this box?

[13:52:13]

cake:

erm "a mythtv box"

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hads:

I like the MCE remote

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cake:

anyone can confirm the happhauge pvr 500 remote works?

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justinh:

words wrong order in hard it makes help to

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cake:

understandable yes still no ?

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cake:

:p

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** justinh smacks a forum user for using engrish **

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tank-man:

why reencode with ffmpeg, change your settings on you pvr card to make dvd compliant mpeg2 files

[13:55:50]

Dagmar:

cake: Run `startx` as root for now to get around the ubuntu stupidness

[13:56:01]

justinh:

How to change the current type of choice item into checkbox type? FFS

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tank-man:

cake, yes the remote works

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cake:

Dagmar: u saw the pastebin link?

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cake:

tank-man: oki nice, then i might just get that package

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cake:

and not the oem one

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Dagmar:

cake: Yes.

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Dagmar:

...all 30-odd lines of it

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cake:

hehe

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Dagmar:

it saying "hostname: unknown host" is also probably bad

[13:59:13]

cake:

hehe

[13:59:17]

Dagmar:

but that's a separate problem from making the display work

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cake:

might be

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cake:

ppl have pulled this off before tho

[13:59:32]

Dagmar:

You laugh, but you're about one more error away from me suggesting you use a distro that's not on crack.

[13:59:38]

Dagmar:

Most people have more sense about it

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Dagmar:

There's nothing unusual about your video card.

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hads:

Mm, X likes having a hostname and network

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Dagmar:

hads: Exactly. It's an 'ubunut' thing I guess

[14:00:10]

Dagmar:

I guess they feel they're too egalitarian for hostnames.

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Milosch:

not a problem here on 3 ubuntu machines...

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hads:

My Ubuntu boxes have hostnames

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cake:

strange

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cake:

the live cd now also only boots with 800x600 resultion in gnome

[14:03:27]

cake:

thats abit strange

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cake:

didnt do that before either

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hads:

Setting options in `sudo dpkg-reconfigure x11-common` should allow normal users to startx

[14:09:47]

Milosch:

yep

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justinh:

fanboyOS sucks :)

[14:11:29]

hads:

heh

[14:11:52]

justinh:

or is it awesomeOS?

[14:11:56]

Milosch:

and remaining permissions should be fixable via group membership, i.e. add mythtv to the groups set for the initial user, assuming this wasn't already mythtv

[14:12:21]

hads:

I don't really have a distro allegance. I use what I feel like as long as it works.

[14:12:54]

Milosch:

ubuntu came with the desktop, which came to me in a barter deal, so i went with it

[14:13:53]

Milosch:

was using redhat until rh9, which i could never manage to upgrade in place to fedora anything, so i dumped it for debian..

[14:16:37]

justinh:

it's like village of the damned.. "join us.. what are you afraid of?"

[14:18:07]

justinh:

invasion of the distro-snatchers!

[14:18:15]

Milosch:

any linux is fine, especially Annie Lennox

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dverzolla:

tank-man: how do this change of settings?

[14:19:58]

justinh:

my faveourite Peanuts character is Linux

[14:20:17]

** hads mosies to bed **

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quicksilver:

I was alexander the great's chief Linux, in a previous life

[14:20:56]

Dagmar:

Coo coo, katchoo.

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dverzolla:

justinh: I record many videos, I have a box with two pvr-150... I can't use ffmpeg to do this job :|

[14:21:28]

dverzolla:

justinh: I record about 24h with two pvr...

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Milosch:

Dagmar: isn't that goo goo gajoob?

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dverzolla:

justinh: but the video don't open in FCP. :|

[14:21:45]

Dagmar:

Milosch: I don't know. I don't listen to the Beatles.

[14:21:46]

Dagmar:

;)

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Milosch:

hehe

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cake:

anyone have a recommondation for hk with working 7.1 soundcard ?

[14:22:03]

dverzolla:

justinh: wrong, just the video open in FCP. Audio doens't

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justinh:

run it through ffmpeg first, like I said

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cake:

and/or working seperate 7.1. soundcard

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amarelinho_emo:

god morning

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Milosch:

praise elvis

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dverzolla:

justinh: but, -acodec copy and -vcodec copy solve my problem?

[14:23:57]

dverzolla:

justinh: and the time?

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dverzolla:

justinh: My files have 1.2GB, this job will cost many CPU.

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amarelinho_emo:

i like know how the tvcard work in mythtv

[14:24:54]

justinh:

dverzolla: it will be fairly quick – faster than realtime

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dverzolla:

justinh: <tank-man> why reencode with ffmpeg, change your settings on you pvr card to make dvd compliant mpeg2 files

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dverzolla:

justinh: you know about it?

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dverzolla:

justinh: They are saying about the config in MPEG option? MPEG_TS MPEG_PS ... ?

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dverzolla:

justinh: I will try to change this options: MPEG-2 TS, MPEG-1 VCD, PES AV, PES V, PES A, DVD, DVD Special 1, DVD SPecial 2

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GreyFoxx:

Most of those are ignored by the driver

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GreyFoxx:

Infact I saw discussion about removing them from the driver since they are mostly unused

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Dagmar:

Yeah, well, clearly I optimized the hell out of the transcoder

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tank-man:

GreyFoxx, really? when i pick mpeg1-vcd, it makes mpeg1 videos

[14:37:07]

GreyFoxx:

"most of those"

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GreyFoxx:

I didn't say all

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Dagmar:

My five minute recording has already taken 20 minutes to transcode, and looking like it's going to take another 20.

[14:37:19]

tank-man:

ok

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dverzolla:

I need that my recorded videos open in FCP, without any postjob

[14:38:50]

tank-man:

Dagmar, what kind of video is it and cpu?

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GreyFoxx:

dverzolla: I believe simple ffmpeg reencodes are very easy and fast

[14:49:42]

justinh:

I already said that the ffmpeg jobs will be faster than realtime. so go on – ask my advice again & just ignore me

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tank-man:

ah, i didnt look at the commandline options yuou used

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justinh:

all the mpeg streams need is a bit of tidying up – which is what the ffmpeg command I posted ealier will do

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amarelinho_emo:

Dagmar hi

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Dagmar:

ffmpeg is pretty ungodly slow

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tank-man:

whats the full command you are using Dagmar ?

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justinh:

not to do just a simple tidy up – it's way faster than realtime on my schidty athlon xp 2000

[15:17:26]

fryfrog:

you know what else is slow? turtles and snails

[15:22:27]

justinh:

what wiki?

[15:22:49]

inteliwasp:

mythtv wiki

[15:23:07]

inteliwasp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . and_Problems

[15:23:15]

justinh:

you might have some luck with a cx88-blackbird card

[15:24:03]

inteliwasp:

got a link for that card?

[15:24:16]

Dagmar:

tank-man: nuvexport --freakingdoit

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justinh:

inteliwasp: nope

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tank-man:

Dagmar, then you are not using the commandline options justinh suggested

[15:25:01]

justinh:

anyway that wiki entry was last edited in March 2006. the ivtv driver has moved on since then

[15:25:17]

justinh:

I wasn't yelling at Dagmar :)

[15:25:19]

Dagmar:

tank-man: Mainly because they had nothing to do with my problems

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tank-man:

ok

[15:25:38]

Dagmar:

You misunderstand... I'm not asking for help (yet), I'm just grousing.

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Dagmar:

PLus I've still get some things to rebuild after the x264 upgrade

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justinh:

people come here asking for advice using my name specifically then they ignore what I suggest out of hand. Then I get mad. In future the said person will be ignored

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fryfrog:

you should send them a usb ball shocker, then you can administer punishment remotly

[15:27:28]

gardengnome:

fryfrog: some people might enjoy it ;)

[15:27:34]

fryfrog:

humm

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fryfrog:

true

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gardengnome:

i've been wondering about x264 encoding. is *encoding* much slower than, say, normal xvid?

[15:27:50]

fryfrog:

what about a usb ball shocker / wireless smacking bat?

[15:28:26]

inteliwasp:

no better yet: auto tracking paintball turret /w remote and cammera

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Dagmar:

mencoder may be giving me nothing for output, but it's definitely faster than ffmpeg

[15:36:49]

Dagmar:

At least, converting to DivX it's just horrifyingly slow

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Dagmar:

Disabling denoise and deinterlacing gets it back up to about realtime

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Dagmar:

...on a 3200+, mind you

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Hoochster:

I gotta get into trying different methods, only done transcode so far, and it is slow but stable

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Dagmar:

I can see now I definitely won't be using ffmpeg's denoise routines

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Hoxzer:

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/7043/missithy4.jpg this is how we do it in finland :D

[15:43:21]

justinh:

I know – a combo of a wiimote & remote robot arm with baseball bat

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justinh:

time to reject yet another DVD writer. this is getting tedious now

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gardengnome:

Hoxzer: all of 'em are ugly as hell

[15:44:49]

justinh:

hoxzer's posted some weevil pics?

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Dagmar:

That's pretty funny

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Dagmar:

Here in the US we de-crown 'em for kissing other girls.

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justinh:

is 'splitted' a real word?

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gardengnome:

heh

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Beirdo:

splitted? shouldn't that be "splut" for effect?

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justinh:

hahahaha. a cdrom drive has just fallen onto the motherboard. oops-ie

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justinh:

it was a lively spinner

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Beirdo:

yo, EnterUserName.... ya might want to enter a user name

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dverzolla:

Mythtv have some limitation with weekends? I has scheduled my video to record "Record this program in this timeslot every day." but in weekends the videos are'nt recorded...

[16:04:58]

justinh:

maybe the show isn't on at the weekend ?

[16:05:06]

Merlin83b:

Are they in the same timeslot at the weekend?

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Merlin83b:

Or just not on, as justinh says.

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dverzolla:

justinh: I use mythtv with the Composite Signal, recording all the time.

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dverzolla:

justinh: I create a channel that record normal.

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dverzolla:

justinh: but in weekends they aren't recorded :|

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dverzolla:

My channels show this: NO DATA

[16:13:04]

Dagmar:

Drat it's resampling audio

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GreyFoxx:

dverzolla: So are you recording from a real channel? Where is your program listings coming from ?

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Dagmar:

@!#$!#

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[16:15:22]

Dagmar:

I record all my stuff in 44.1k and I'm not very amused by seeing that it's being resampled to 48k

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justinh:

it has to be to be dvd compliant

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Dr_Willis:

talking about stuff that i got no idea about. :)

[16:15:49]

Dagmar:

Not when I'm exporting to XviD it doesn't.

[16:15:56]

Dr_Willis:

not really into all this video/audio junk :)

[16:16:04]

Dagmar:

If/when I'm doing a DVD, then I know what I have to transcode it all to

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justinh:

I think I need to be outta here before my spleen explodes

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Dagmar:

What you need is a USB-powere spleen flenser

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Dagmar:

Dr_Willis: I'm not into all these details either. I just don't like my recordings all being not-so-subtly brutalized as I try to get them out of the myth box

[16:17:48]

Dagmar:

I'm learning them as a matter of self-defense, and the first part of this is vetting the damnable codecs and transcoders

[16:18:05]

Dr_Willis:

i doubt if i could tell the differance between the original and the resaples

[16:18:26]

dverzolla:

GreyFoxx: I work in a TV Station, I has a Analog Cable conected directly in Composite input.

[16:18:38]

Dagmar:

44100 to 48000 has a particular sound to it

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dverzolla:

GreyFoxx: I have just 1 channel.

[16:18:53]

Dagmar:

There's audible artifacts in places in the upper register.

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GreyFoxx:

dverzolla: And what are you using to populate the program listings ?

[16:19:49]

dverzolla:

GreyFoxx: Nothing, I do the schedule directly... and they work perfectly...

[16:19:58]

dverzolla:

GreyFoxx: excepts in weekends

[16:20:58]

GreyFoxx:

So a manual schedule of the channel, you are setting the title and so on?

[16:21:40]

Eradan:

Any way to get built in video player to play the contents of a folder ? (video_ts) or other folder ? ... rather than having to play each file ... ?

[16:21:40]

dverzolla:

GreyFoxx: No, I don't need this ...

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dverzolla:

GreyFoxx: but if need to populate the channel, I can put any information... like the hour.

[16:22:13]

qu0zl:

Dagmar, it really does, i prefered the first Gorillaz album on a sound card i could only get to play in 48khz mode years back

[16:22:30]

Dagmar:

Eradan: Is there some reason you can just *use the DVD player*?

[16:22:32]

tank-man:

dverzolla, make a manual schedualed recording for sunday and set it to daily

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fryfrog:

Did anyone watch Jericho?

[16:22:50]

tank-man:

if you do monday and daily, it will do 5days

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Dagmar:

qu0zl: Oh I know it does. I'm also pretty sure nuvexport *might* be overlooking cases when it could just tell the transcoder to not re-encode the audio at all

[16:23:02]

GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: I'm waiting for it to start again :)

[16:23:09]

dverzolla:

tank-man: nice...

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Dagmar:

It kinda looks like the audio codec and sample rate are hard-wired

[16:23:20]

Eradan:

Dagmar: yah ... i'd like to play a folder worth of .ts files ...

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fryfrog:

ah, so it wasn't canceled?

[16:23:30]

Eradan:

Dagmar: or play a 'backup' dvd ....

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Eradan:

which may not have been backed up using myth.

[16:23:40]

Dagmar:

Eradan: Sorry. We can't help you with piracy here.

[16:23:54]

Eradan:

Dagmar: it's not piracy ...

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Dagmar:

Sure it's not. You just put those quotes around "backup" for decoration

[16:24:31]

Eradan:

My captured HD streams from my STB using apple's tools are .ts files ...

[16:24:51]

Dagmar:

Then what you need is MythVideo

[16:25:19]

tank-man:

anyone here know how to extract the closed captions and convert to a subtitle file? for use with xvid or something

[16:25:25]

cake:

yay mythtv box up and running

[16:25:27]

cake:

works very nicely

[16:25:49]

cake:

just gotta get sound out of the damned box now

[16:25:50]

cake:

got a crappy msi with via chipset on it

[16:25:50]

cake:

got a crappy msi with via chipset oanyone struggled with optical output

[16:25:55]

fryfrog:

stupid ubuntu removed the qt/mysql thing :(

[16:25:58]

cake:

who can point me at some good guide?

[16:26:05]

fryfrog:

i'm not sure when my be crapped out

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Dagmar:

Google can.

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Eradan:

Dagmar: i hvae mythvideo ... but w/o creating a playlist for each folder, i can't see how to get a folder to playback .... rather than each file...

[16:26:34]

Dagmar:

Eradan: As far as I know, you don't.

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Eradan:

Dagmar: I guess i just need to play with it some more ...

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Dagmar:

Not only that, but MythVideo expects you to configure the specifics for the first file in the list to include mention that it should immediately play the second file after it, and so on

[16:27:17]

Dagmar:

MythVideo is not friendly to what you're trying to do.

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Eradan:

Dagmar: cool ... that's what i figured ...

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Dagmar:

In short, *burn an actual DVD* or learn to transcode the whole thing to XviD or something.

[16:28:27]

Dagmar:

Everything else currently involves varying degrees of discomfort.

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Eradan:

burn a disc ? .. that defeats the whole puprose :)

[16:28:53]

Eradan:

Cool ...i've built playlists ... and that works ok ... just a pita ...

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cake:

Dagmar: (et.al.) fyi i just decioded to give a damn with that xorg conf

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Eradan:

and transcoding 10 – 16G files isn't an option :) ... But thanks .. i'l keep playin ... appreciate the input.

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cake:

it works on the projector soi just wtick with whats there now

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Dagmar:

Eradan: It's an option for everyone else.

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Dagmar:

...and they dont' take up 16Gb when you're done.

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_Jaak_:

what kind of chipcards are generally used for pay tv?

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gardengnome:

_Jaak_: that's illegal and won't be dicussed here.

[16:41:06]

_Jaak_:

is it?

[16:41:13]

_Jaak_:

to copy my own card?

[16:41:15]

_Jaak_:

oh

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_Jaak_:

then it was ment as an hypothetical question =D

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gardengnome:

_Jaak_: most likely. at least in the US which is where most developers are based

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gardengnome:

;)

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_Jaak_:

to think of it ... it prob is illegal here to

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_Jaak_:

dammit need to find some documentation on it anyway for a school project =P

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Dagmar:

I'm having a hard time seeing where the hell that question had anything to do with mythTV.

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gardengnome:

yep

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gardengnome:

for a school project?

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_Jaak_:

yes

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gardengnome:

"so, kids, i'm expecting you to turn in your paper on '1337 craxx0ring teh smartc4rd' next week'

[16:44:21]

tank-man:

school of hard knocks

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Dagmar:

s/knocks/noggins/;

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_Jaak_:

the vulnerabillity of smartcards

[16:45:18]

_Jaak_:

you can buy a smart card rw for 30 euro's

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_Jaak_:

and r/w almost every card

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tank-man:

so go ask the guy you bought the card from

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gardengnome:

or you teacher

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_Jaak_:

like they will expose that they actually suck and you can easilly copy cards

[16:46:45]

_Jaak_:

lol

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gardengnome:

s/you/your/

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GlemSom:

Anyone gotten mythtv to work with the snapshot of 0.10 ivtv drivers – without using osd_compat=1

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_Jaak_:

byebye

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Dagmar:

I'll be much more blunt than that.

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Dagmar:

Jaak's a freaking moron.

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qu0zl:

:)

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clever:

how would you read the data though?

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Dagmar:

If you're Jaak, you wouldn't.

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clever:

arent you decrypting the smart card data as you read it?

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Dagmar:

He clearly doesn't have the first clue about how smart cards work or even a proper idea of what they are.

[16:51:04]

Dagmar:

No, you're not.

[16:51:13]

Dagmar:

YOU never decrypt a bloody thing with a smart card.

[16:51:17]

Dagmar:

That's why they're called "smart" cards.

[16:51:21]

Dagmar:

It's not an acronym.

[16:51:26]

clever:

then how do you access any of there data?:P

[16:51:41]

Dagmar:

The card, itself, has the processing power necessary to do the encryption/decryption so that you can never get your sticky little hands on the keys.

[16:51:53]

clever:

ahh

[16:51:56]

Dagmar:

You provide IT with a key that it then validates, and if it doesn't like you, you don't get squat from them.

[16:52:22]

clever:

:S

[16:52:37]

Dagmar:

So, it's an understatement to say you can't copy them.

[16:52:37]

clever:

how would you know the key then for a certain card

[16:53:48]

clever:

if you need to give the card a key to open it wont you need some way to store those keys and which card they go with?

[16:54:11]

qu0zl:

the key may be common and the cards unique id the seed, which means the same value can't just be writen to another card.

[16:54:20]

qu0zl:

I'd guess wikipedia would have a decent article

[16:54:28]

qu0zl:

there's a lot of different smartcards out there

[16:54:31]

clever:

why cant i just use that common key

[16:54:36]

clever:

and have the card decrypt for me

[16:54:54]

clever:

then feed the unencrypted data to a new card which reencrypts for me

[16:57:00]

clever:

is the card also able to reencrypt on its own?

[17:01:46]

clever:

where we talking about smart cards like in bank cards?

[17:02:39]

tank-man:

whatever is used for tv

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clever:

ahh

[17:02:52]

clever:

i was just reading the page on the wiki

[17:03:03]

clever:

and it could easily use the bank pin number to help encrypt the card

[17:03:10]

qu0zl:

clever if you have the algorithm/key then you're sorted. You have whatever you need to read/write to the card, but you shouldn't see the key. you should just see the value generated by the auth program to unlock the card, which would be based on the key and a unique seed from the card

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qu0zl:

that's just one way, there's probably loads. but basically they're varying degrees of hard

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clever:

how large of a key is needed for the card to allow reading?

[17:04:43]

clever:

bits/bytes

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qu0zl:

clever, the card doesn't get sent the key, it gets sent a value which is generated by the key and by some unique seed from the card

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

but how large is that value?

[17:05:19]

qu0zl:

that code will not work on the next transaction as the cards seed value will be different

[17:05:22]

qu0zl:

big

[17:05:36]

clever:

so it wont be easy to just try 500000000 keys till it opens

[17:05:50]

qu0zl:

often smartcards will total themselves after X failed authenticates anyway

[17:06:00]

clever:

lol

[17:06:18]

clever:

and if theres a counter inside that changes the keys with each use

[17:06:22]

Dibblah:

Ummm... Interesting discussion. But wasn't the original questioner asking about CAM type smartcards?

[17:06:32]

clever:

youll need an external database to manage that key between multiple stations

[17:06:49]

qu0zl:

probably, i just mentioned what the smartcards i use are like and that i doubted things would be as trivial as the questioner asked

[17:06:51]

clever:

so when your trying to access it from a diff location it knows the new key

[17:06:54]

Dibblah:

... Which are similar, but somewhat different.

[17:07:06]

clever:

and even if you did manage to make an exact copu

[17:07:10]

clever:

if either is used

[17:07:18]

clever:

youll change the database version of the new key

[17:07:25]

sphery:

Anyone know where I can find the approved firmware files for ivtv (or know of a channel where I should ask ;)?

[17:07:25]

clever:

causing the other to become invalid

[17:07:56]

Dibblah:

The firmware is documented in the release notes.

[17:08:27]

GreyFoxx:

hahahahahha

[17:08:37]

** GreyFoxx watches the number of telnet port scans jump **

[17:08:46]

gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: ?

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clever:

lol

[17:09:11]

GreyFoxx:

a remote exploit letting you telnet into any solaris 10/11 box using just the telnet command itself

[17:09:18]

GreyFoxx:

no code needed

[17:09:26]

clever:

LOL

[17:09:28]

GreyFoxx:

and by default solaris runs telnet unless you disable it

[17:09:32]

flindet:

wtf

[17:09:34]

clever:

LOL

[17:09:36]

GreyFoxx:

unless that has changed in 11

[17:09:45]

Merlin83b:

Haha slowaris, haha telnet, general haha.

[17:10:01]

GreyFoxx:

It's the same bug that came out back in 94 and was fixed by AIX and linux

[17:10:07]

GreyFoxx:

or similar at least

[17:10:26]

gardengnome:

that's embarrassing.

[17:10:30]

sphery:

d'oh. Thanks, Dibblah. I was going off the website info, but the README has some updated info. Guess I should have checked there.

[17:10:40]

GreyFoxx:

I can see that the amount of telnet scans coming inout our network has skyrocketted this morning as people are looking for exploitable boxes

[17:11:34]

clever:

lol

[17:11:36]

Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: ANOTHER telnet issue? Jeeez

[17:11:45]

clever:

i got an idea to detect them

[17:11:51]

clever:

add a spare ip to my linux pc

[17:11:53]

GreyFoxx:

yeah, this one is disgustingly simple too

[17:12:00]

clever:

tarpit it in iptables

[17:12:03]

clever:

then make it the dmz and tcpdump it

[17:12:05]

Dagmar:

Well, they're almost always disgustingly simple

[17:12:24]

GreyFoxx:

yet another reasons I've always bitched about Solaris always coming out of the box with every service preenabled

[17:12:35]

GreyFoxx:

smart people disable them, most don't

[17:12:40]

clever:

i had to fight redhat9 for 3 days to get telnet

[17:12:43]

Scopeuk:

any one ever seen an nforce 4 moherbaord taek it apon itsself to disable the onboard nic?

[17:12:47]

Dagmar:

I think generally they expect you're going to be using a profile to install it, not manually install it and just turn on everything.

[17:12:48]

clever:

even after installing it the service refused to start

[17:13:05]

GreyFoxx:

we've started searching our colo netowrk and ISP network and found 6 vulnerable boxes so we are contacting the boxes owners :)

[17:13:17]

Dagmar:

clever: That would be more likely due to a clue deficiency, actually.

[17:13:34]

clever:

the default line in xinetd i think was set to disabled

[17:13:45]

clever:

had to edit it and restart xinetd

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Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: It's a shame you can just go and disable them yourself. ;)

[17:14:44]

clever:

brb

[17:14:48]

GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: Well, I run the routers all the way up the chain, so I will liukely be doing that :)

[17:15:08]

Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: I was thinking more of exploiting them and disabling telnet.

[17:15:11]

GreyFoxx:

oh hehe

[17:15:16]

GreyFoxx:

I use to do that

[17:15:48]

GreyFoxx:

but I wont do that since they are our customers... before if I pissed osmeone off by fixing their box I didn't care, since they are customers I care :)

[17:16:05]

Dagmar:

The router blocks really aren't going to stop someone with a local account from telnetting to localhost and gaining privs

[17:16:14]

clever:

back

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GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: Of course, but at least I can limit it to their own premises

[17:16:47]

Dagmar:

Now will come the fun part.

[17:16:50]

clever:

also even if telnet is locked to the lan

[17:16:53]

clever:

if they have ssh

[17:16:54]

Dagmar:

Seeing how many of them actually admit they can't disable it

[17:17:00]

clever:

ssh in then telnet over

[17:17:14]

clever:

for a while i had ssh open and telnet to lan only

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GreyFoxx:

clever: That still requires someone already having an account

[17:17:21]

clever:

yeah

[17:17:30]

GreyFoxx:

not just joe random internet looser

[17:17:35]

clever:

but they can then gain root from there

[17:17:41]

GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: hehe most probably can't :)

[17:17:49]

clever:

how many free shell services do you think might have telnet localy?:P

[17:18:11]

GreyFoxx:

likely none

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Scopeuk:

know one that only reacently got rid

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justinh:

woooyeah – 0.21 is gonna have font sizes unrelated to X DPI settings :)

[17:29:45]

justinh:

that's nice because the version of minimyth I'm using has a bug in X where it doesn't like the DPI to be forced

[17:30:50]

GreyFoxx:

likely see a 0.20.1 (basically a release of -fixes) before 0.21 hehe

[17:31:46]

justinh:

hrm. looking at #3080 & there's no attachment

[17:32:17]

justinh:

I thought there was already a 'view full plot' option anyway

[17:34:10]

sphery:

justinh: I think Mr. anonymous was saying that the /existing/ view full plot option uses too-small fonts

[17:34:17]

sphery:

(Likely because of incorrect DPI settings.)

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justinh:

that's set in the theme anyway

[17:35:26]

sphery:

Right, but if the DPI is set incorrectly, the actual font size will differ from what a properly configured system would give when requesting a specific "logical" font size.

[17:35:57]

justinh:

I'm surprised anonymous tickets are even allowed. I'd advocate making people admit who they are ;)

[17:36:03]

sphery:

Yeah, me too.

[17:36:38]

sphery:

There were 3 tickets that I saw when catching up with my tickets e-mails that could likely be closed out of hand with a simple test/confirmation from "anonymous"

[17:36:46]

sphery:

Getting that test/confirmation is the hard part.

[17:37:49]

sphery:

Oh, and justinh, I'm definitely happy about the font sizes unrelated to X DPI settings. Some themes were developed without 100DPI settings, so some things don't line up, right.

[17:38:17]

sphery:

Oh, and BTW, it's only in some places that the DPI currently (0.20 and 0.20-fixes) has an effect.

[17:38:35]

Dagmar:

sphery: Hey you should have seen it with 0.19

[17:38:42]

Dagmar:

It was so messed it would overcompensate.

[17:38:47]

justinh:

all my themes are done at 100DPI

[17:38:55]

sphery:

Yep. I know that.

[17:38:58]

sphery:

Not complaining about yours.

[17:39:01]

justinh:

don't wanna give the whiners any ammo :)

[17:39:03]

Dagmar:

I had the thing drawing text all of three pixels high.

[17:39:27]

justinh:

whiners.. er I mean users

[17:40:03]

justinh:

all this cynicism has got to be bad for my health somehow

[17:40:17]

Dagmar:

No, it's _denial_ that's bad for you

[17:40:26]

Dr_willis:

Its the hard drugs thts bad for you

[17:40:49]

justinh:

damn. I can't get through a day without buying my head in a mound of coke on the desk

[17:40:59]

sphery:

The only reason I think #3080 is seeing the issue with incorrectly-specified DPI is because reporter only specified one very specific location (and the font size is only DPI-dependent in a very few locations) and said, "near impossible to read." On my system, view full plot uses a very reasonable font size.

[17:41:09]

Dr_willis:

Kitten-Huffing is bad for you

[17:41:20]

justinh:

kitten-huffing?

[17:41:43]

** justinh googles **

[17:42:08]

Dagmar:

http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/Kittenhuffing.gif

[17:42:59]

Dr_willis:

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Kitten_Huffing

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justinh:

rofl

[17:43:28]

sphery:

Hmmm. I thought kittens sucked the souls out of baby humans... Guess it can go both ways.

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justinh:

everytime a noob accuses a more experienced linuxer of being arrogant a kitten dies

[17:44:21]

Dagmar:

I'm suprised there are any cats left.

[17:44:40]

ctjctj:

*grins* I love coming in the middle of a conversation.

[17:45:16]

Dr_willis:

sphery, they just infect them with toxiplasmosis bacteria

[17:45:28]

Dr_willis:

i think thats the right word...

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fryfrog:

you should wait till the end, they have medicine for premature ejaculation though :)

[17:45:58]

ctjctj:

I've installed mythtv and it is doing all the important things right. I'm looking for ways of setting auto-transcode and recording priority based on the recording group or mythfrontend host.

[17:46:01]

fryfrog:

i believe you are right, the wife has said it a few times (and is in vet tech school)

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sphery:

Wow. Now I understand the "Dr" part of Dr_willis's nick...

[17:46:25]

Dr_willis:

keep the kids and ladies out of the kitty box.

[17:46:28]

Dr_willis:

and NO huffing for them!

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sphery:

ctjctj: You mean you want priorities in the job queue?

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fryfrog:

i think she also said you're more likely to get it from working in your garden then from the litter box

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Dr_willis:

proberly.. :)

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Dr_willis:

dirt is so dirty!

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** cleverca is looking for some1 to help in making an lirc reveiver **

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ctjctj:

sphery, No recpriority. So that when my son schedules "yu-gi-oh!" on cartoon network it doesn't over ride my wifes soups.

[17:48:04]

sphery:

Oh. Got it. I thought you meant priority for transcodes...

[17:48:31]

sphery:

So, it sounds like you want a "template" recording rule for your son and another for your wife?

[17:48:42]

ctjctj:

*nods* that's a great way of putting it.

[17:49:08]

sphery:

The template specifies auto-transcode for, i.e., your son's cartoons (which are archived), but not for your wife's soaps (which she watches and deletes) or something?

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ctjctj:

*nods* Correct.

[17:49:35]

sphery:

If that's the case, you won't like my answer....

[17:49:42]

sphery:

It's not currently possible using Myth.

[17:49:47]

justinh:

cleverca: easy. just get a resistor, 78l05 regulator, a 1n4114 diode & a tssop IR receiver – the 3 pin sort... aaand a 9W 'female' D connector

[17:50:02]

ctjctj:

*grins* I love your anser. The reason is that it IS an answer. I don't have to keep looking through wiki's and mailing lists.

[17:50:08]

cleverca:

i have the com port connector

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cleverca:

but i dont think i have the right receiver transistor

[17:50:21]

cleverca:

http://clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/mythtv/2007 . . . img_3161.jpg is what i have

[17:50:29]

sphery:

Some (Chris Pinkham?) have mentioned it as being on their TODO lists, but not yet coded.

[17:50:56]

cleverca:

it came as a combination receiver/transmiter package

[17:51:07]

sphery:

Probably the best you can do for now is just manually verify schedules.

[17:51:12]

ctjctj:

sphery, What is the recgrouppassword table used for then? Is it the same as the playgroup?

[17:51:19]

justinh:

cleverca: no you don't have the right component. that's just an IR receiver diode. it doesn't have any of the clever doohickies that a 3-pin 'IR receiver IC' would have

[17:51:36]

cleverca:

would i be able to add them arround it?:P

[17:51:51]

justinh:

recgrouppassword table? you mean you can password protect recording groups?

[17:52:31]

tank-man:

adult only

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Dagmar:

...and of course the "Not Porn" group.

[17:52:34]

justinh:

cleverca: nope. the best you could do is build a very insensitive receiver with that

[17:52:35]

tank-man:

;)

[17:52:44]

cleverca:

justinh: ahhh:S

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cleverca:

i'll have to gut a tv or something then:P

[17:53:14]

cleverca:

whats the main diff?

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ctjctj:

Thank you very much for your help.

[17:53:19]

Dagmar:

Or stop being a twit and just use a published schematic or pay someone who's making them money

[17:53:24]

justinh:

so the other day when I was dishing out a load of tosh to some guy about parental controls not existing in mythtv, I was talking bollocks?

[17:53:54]

cleverca:

and it doesnt even have a transceiver schematic

[17:53:56]

Dagmar:

clever: I'm sure there's lots of parts around that it doesn't mention.

[17:54:33]

justinh:

cleverca: the difference with the complex devices as opposed to just a crappy lil IR phototransistor – mostly that a proper IR receiver IC has signal conditioning & shaping circuits inside

[17:54:34]

sphery:

Maybe not, justinh... I don't know if it's been fully re-enabled. PIN support got disabled for the LiveTV rewrite. Then recent SVN trunk stuff changing the end of recording prompt and OSD stuff may have allowed circumventing it (or at least some of it)...

[17:54:43]

sphery:

I don't use it myself, so I have no idea what the current state is.

[17:54:49]

justinh:

sphery: ahh

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cleverca:

justinh: ahh:(

[17:55:10]

justinh:

anyway I postulated it might be quite simple for somebody to implement it :)

[17:55:25]

sphery:

Simpler, I guess, than you thought, even.

[17:55:33]

justinh:

aye :)

[17:55:35]

Dagmar:

clever: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Cottage_IR_Transceivers

[17:55:45]

justinh:

I have other fish to fry though...

[17:56:11]

cleverca:

Dagmar i allready got most of the parts and soldering iron and i got tons of time

[17:56:29]

Dagmar:

Yet you don't have the *right* parts apparently.

[17:56:33]

justinh:

cleverca: you got the *wrong* parts

[17:56:34]

Dagmar:

http://iguanaworks.net/ir/serial/ir_schematic.pdf

[17:56:36]

sanmarcos-trabaj:

is Clear Channel Communications a good cable provider?

[17:56:36]

cleverca:

not for a receiver

[17:56:47]

cleverca:

but the transmiter i have the parts

[17:57:04]

justinh:

wow. a resistor & a diode for the tx side. nifty

[17:57:13]

sphery:

I've been looking at the iguanaworks one...

[17:57:14]

cleverca:

http://clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/mythtv/2007 . . . img_3160.jpg along with a 1k resistor and i can get a diode somewhere:P

[17:57:21]

sphery:

They also have a USB one...

[17:57:26]

Dagmar:

sphery: I've got one. It works quite well

[17:57:37]

sphery:

USB or serial?

[17:57:46]

Dagmar:

clever: I suggest you not put the load of compensating for your lack of electrical design skills on this channel.

[17:57:56]

cleverca:

lol

[17:57:57]

Dagmar:

sphery; Serial. I prefer to be very conservative in my builds.

[17:57:59]

sanmarcos-trabaj:

can directv be used with Myth?

[17:58:08]

sphery:

You built it yourself?

[17:58:11]

sphery:

sanmarcos-trabaj: yep.

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Dagmar:

"other things" being finding an appropriate toy robot with plastic I could cut without excessive meltage

[18:00:05]

Dagmar:

At the moment I've not scraped it off the first case, so the thing is back like it was when I got it on the rear of my current box, and it still works

[18:01:27]

sphery:

Cool. I was thinking of buying, too.

[18:01:32]

sphery:

Is this a Viper Robot?

[18:01:38]

Dagmar:

Nah

[18:01:40]

sanmarcos-trabaj:

sphery, even HD dtv?

[18:01:44]

Dagmar:

Some cracked out thing I got from KB Toys. :)

[18:01:46]

Dagmar:

$14.

[18:01:58]

sphery:

Oh. There's a viper robot version of it. Search for viper on http://iguanaworks.net/ir/serial/

[18:02:05]

sphery:

Don't know anything about robots.

[18:02:12]

sphery:

sanmarcos-trabaj: Nope. No HDTV

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

whats the point then..

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

might as well get regular cabl

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sphery:

Quite likely HDTV over cable won't work with Myth, either.

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

why bother with HDTV then?

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

the HD tivo is like 800 dollars

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sphery:

If it does, it could be anything from locals, only, to everything HD sent by your provider.

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sphery:

All depends whether your cable company encrypts the HDTV.

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

sphery, has the encryption been cracked?

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sphery:

There's hope, though. Jack Kelliher (from pcHDTV) mentioned something about a new card at some unspecified point in the future that will work with encrypted cable systems...

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sphery:

TTBOMK, no. And, it's not an appropriate topic for this #mythtv-users, anyway.

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ctjctj:

If pcHDTV can get a "cableCard" version maybe?

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sphery:

I think that's what Jack Kelliher was referring to.

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

but cablecard is dead

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

nobody supports it

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sphery:

That's how the HD TiVO works, isn't it?

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

if cable companies just provided a tivo instead of the shit they provide...

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ctjctj:

And the new motorola set-top cable box I just got uses the cableCard as well.

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Reiver:

nobody as in who? the cable providers?

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

ctjctj, is it decent? what company?

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sphery:

If cable companies just didn't encrypt the channels...

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

Reiver, yeah

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

yep...

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hjohnson:

yeah, but would a cablecard actually allow you to record the content in HD? I doubt it.. that would be a glaring security hole.

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Reiver:

it's a federal law that the cable companies have to provide you with a cable card if you ask for one

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hjohnson:

face it.. the cable co's just want to bend us over and have their way with us.

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ctjctj:

The box is decent, and motorola sells a version that is a DVR with 80GBs. The upgrade has fireware and implies that you can access functionallity via firewire. My version is just a HD cable box.

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sphery:

hjohnson: Not really. It depends on what the security is meant to protect.

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Reiver:

cable cards are addressable but they are only one way so you don't get on demand programming

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hjohnson:

sphery: generally it seems to be meant to keep me from recording what's transmitted to me.

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hjohnson:

on my own gear rather than what they provide.

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hjohnson:

</cynic>

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sphery:

Since the broadcast flag is not (yet) law, the cablecard may only be protecting the cable company's broadcast to prevent non-subscribers from getting a package they didn't purchase.

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Reiver:

I have the Motorola DVR and it's junk

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justinh:

yay for junk cableco DVRs !

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sphery:

I agree.

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justinh:

if a certain Mr Richards hadn't had a junk cable DVR there might not have been any mythtv!

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sphery:

According to the website, that's why Isaac started the MythTV project--because of the junk DVR he got from AT&T.

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hjohnson:

sphery: up here in soviet canuckistan, there's no way to get HD content off cable unscrambled.. even the CBC, which we pay for with our tax dollars has the flag set so you can't record it in HD.

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sphery:

Yep.

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hjohnson:

though if you can get one of the two OTA HD channels, you get better results.. the typical broadcast bitrate for HD OTA is 18mbps, cable is 4mbps, and satellite is 8mbps or so.

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sphery:

Wow. I didn't realize that content protection schemes has spread so far worldwide.

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justinh:

weeheee I'm gonna save more than 60GBP a month moving mortgage provider

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hjohnson:

sphery: oh, it's far worse here than in the US.. you guy shave the mandate where OTA stations must be carried unscrambled.

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justinh:

an even more far-reaching encripplement is being mooted for Europe :(

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

do you guys know if Wireless G is enough to stream a Scene HR-HDTV release from comptuer to computer over SMB ?

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sphery:

I thought the media companies were going to focus on buying US politicians and then have the US try to strong-arm other countries into doing similar.

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justinh:

sanmarcos-trabaj: we don't talk about warez in here

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

I was not talking about "warez", I was about if wireless G is enough to handle that bitrate

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

justinh, just a sec..

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justinh:

maybe it is, maybe not. YMMV with wireless depending on local conditions

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

because I like to encode my myth recordings to taht resolution

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hjohnson:

there's a reason why I have 1300' of cat-5e pulled through the walls of my house.

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** sphery thinks wireless is too unrealiable for TV--he likes to watch TV without troubleshooting **

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

well, because I am moving soon, and I was thinking about going wireless

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justinh:

wireles might be good enough for streaming audio or surfing the net while you're on the toilet but for TV....

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Dr_willis:

ive had SUCH bad time with wireless networking.

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Dr_willis:

more like Wireless NOTworking.

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sphery:

Now that I think about it, that's kind of funny. I won't use "wireless" for TV, but the source of my TV going into my Myth box is OTA ("wireless") transmissions. :)

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seth|laptop:

my wireless works withing 60 feet for SD and imported DVD, but HD 10 feet or less

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sphery:

I got a wireless travel router because I spend too much time in hotels and found the 40 foot cat5 cable I carried to be annoying.

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seth|laptop:

its broadcomm 54g, ndiswrapper drivers

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hjohnson:

i have pulled SDTV over a 15km wireless shot..

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hjohnson:

but I had compressed it down to about 2mbps

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seth|laptop:

wow

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sphery:

I've since found the channel interference and hotel environments to make wireless Internet much more annoying.

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hjohnson:

h.264

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sphery:

I'm back to the 40' cat5 cable.

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hjohnson:

sphery: that's why I carry an Apple Airport Express base station with me when I travel..

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

wow, I did not realize wireless was so crappy

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seth|laptop:

supposedly draft N can do HD content, but I have not seen this yet

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sphery:

I haven't had much luck with a wireless router in hotels.

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sphery:

It's rock-solid-stable at home.

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GreyFoxx:

sanmarcos-trabaj: general consumer level wireless is fine for basic usage, but general not sufficient for high bandwidth stuff like video stream

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hjohnson:

http://gallery.marspostcards.ca/Gambier/IMG_5591

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

GreyFoxx, well obviosuly, I am not about to stream HDTV, I was just talking about trasncoded, High resolution MPEG-4,

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sphery:

In the hotel (with everyone and their brother's ad-hoc "Free Public Wi-fi" networks) and other people's wireless routers, there's too much interference and I get drop-outs far too often. Can't even keep my IMAP client open.

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GreyFoxx:

hjohnson: nice, your backyard ?

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hjohnson:

GreyFoxx: on a mountain top of a local island, where my friend is running a WISP from.

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GreyFoxx:

A friend of mine has a 80ft tower in his backyard covered in dishes and receivers

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sphery:

Not at all what I thought Mars looked like. :)

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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hjohnson:

sphery: hmm?

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hjohnson:

ahh, yeah

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sphery:

Postcards from Mars...

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hjohnson:

http://gallery.marspostcards.ca/DevonFirstWeek/IMG_5917

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hjohnson:

that's more mars like

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sphery:

Yeah.

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sphery:

How long you been living on Mars? :)

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hjohnson:

I lived up there for a month and a half two summers ago.

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sphery:

Cool.

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** sphery googles for the location... **

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hjohnson:

Haughton Mars Project

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hjohnson:

76 degrees north

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hjohnson:

last summer I was in Iraq and Afghanistan, so it was a bit of a switch.

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sphery:

wow

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hjohnson:

(I'm a satcoms geek)

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sphery:

That's seriously-far North...

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sphery:

I think I (having been living in Florida for 13 years) would be cold.

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hjohnson:

sphery: one day it hit 50F, we were running around in shorts and t-shirts

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hjohnson:

well, day is relative, since the sun just went around in cicles.

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hjohnson:

there's no such thing as night.

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sphery:

When it drops below 70F here, I put on my sweatshirt.

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hjohnson:

sphery: heh

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hjohnson:

we barely had any heat up there for the month and a half..

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hjohnson:

propane cost $7/lb

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hjohnson:

so we were pretty careful with it.

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ctjctj:

Are there any cards that take DVI+Audio or HDMI input yet?

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hjohnson:

I think this is one of the best pictures i've taken: http://gallery.marspostcards.ca/SpaceSuit/IMG_6130

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justinh:

you guys who think compressing HDMI/DVI video on the fly is gonna happen – you're seriously misguided :)

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hjohnson:

justinh: you just need to throw enough cpu power at it. :P

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justinh:

uncompressed is like er.. 600GB an hour – do the sums

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hjohnson:

eh, bunch of big xilinx's and some serious major development work in an HDL.. you could pull it.. for obscene amounts of money.

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cake:

hey guys

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cake:

anyone running with am2 socket here?

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hjohnson:

naw, just 939

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justinh:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/252525&nbs p;– see that thread for the sums involved

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cake:

oki

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cake:

just need some good advice on motherboard choice

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

I'm using 939 too... (On my new mb)

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hjohnson:

justinh: oh, I know the sums involved, I work in the periphery of the broadcast world.

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justinh:

"10 bit @ 1920 x 1080 @ 24fps = 127 MB per/sec, or 445 GB per/hr."

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justinh:

just throw cpu power at it.. hrm. anybody using an oct-core box these days?

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cake:

heh

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hjohnson:

justinh: speciality processors/compressors.

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justinh:

creative labs are still selling snake oil soundcards? shame on them

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

could that new 80 core intel processor handle hdtv?

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hjohnson:

the problem is the R&D required to pull it off..

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hjohnson:

hell, an SDI stream is hard enough to handle as it is..

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hjohnson:

and SDI streams are moderately compressed.

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justinh:

"with uber-DSP bullshit processor to taint the sound".. :-|

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hjohnson:

justinh: heh.

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hjohnson:

what was that joke motherboard that had a tube amp on it?

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justinh:

is SDI a bit like MJPEG with other bits bolted on?

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gardengnome:

hjohnson: some MSI thing AFAIR

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cake:

justinh: yeah i know and that dsp stuff is why there is no opensource driver available

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hjohnson:

on the other hand, they were selling an ipod stereo based on tubs.

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cake:

i was really trying to find out

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hjohnson:

justinh: no..

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hjohnson:

it's lightly compressed video, lossless...

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cake:

if the sound is coming from the encoded video/dvd and is supposed to be directly handed over to the reciever

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justinh:

hjohnson: I only asked cos that's basically what DV is ;)

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cake:

what kind of soundcard do you really need

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justinh:

cake: for digital audio output a $10 soundcard would prolly do ok

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cake:

justinh: seriously?

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

in summation..

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hjohnson:

HD-SDI pushes video at 1.485gbps.

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justinh:

it's digital – you don't need or want those DSP things

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cake:

i know

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justinh:

basically just an output port ;)

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cake:

those dsp things are after all on the reciever as well :p

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ctjctj:

hjohnson, What does SDI stand for?

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justinh:

serial digital interface IIRC

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hjohnson:

Serial Digital Interface

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hjohnson:

push uncompressed digital video and audio out over a serial link

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** justinh knows his video onions a bit too ;) **

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ctjctj:

got it. THanks.

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cake:

anyone here tried media portal btw?

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cake:

just discovered it

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cake:

oh and 2nd question, is it possible to make myth play video direct from rar files like xbmc does?

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justinh:

yeah it didn't work it was a total PoS

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cake:

i know i can do it on my linux workstation

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justinh:

went to RTFM & couldn't find it

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cake:

just wondering if it was configurable in there somewhere

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hjohnson:

woot, I have satellite time later this afternoon..

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cake:

should be i guess

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hjohnson:

I love being able to burn other people's sat time.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

hjohnson: ... Just curious — what do you mean by satellite time?

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fryfrog:

is anyone running "current" svn head right now?

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justinh:

I think it's really funny that mythtv has taken a good deal of stick about needing a database – then a project like MediaPortal comes along & adds that requirement too :-P

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fryfrog:

whats media portal?

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justinh:

anyway when I 'evaluated' Media Portal I looked at it the same way a windows user would look at installing mythtv. install it, try to figure it out – if it's not working in 2 hours it's a PoS

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justinh:

mediaportal is 'another' open source pvr app, but runs on windows & is based on .net

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justinh:

and it's horrible

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fryfrog:

is it a linux or windows thing?

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justinh:

really slow & I couldn't figure out how to get a tuner card working in it

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justinh:

infact it was *disgustingly* slow on my athlon 2800xp

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gardengnome:

i read a article where they reviewed some mce computers. looks like MCE can't make a DVD from a recording ;)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh: If I used that method of evaluating MythTV , I would have thought it was a pos too... But, alas, I knew it wasn't, so I kept plugging!

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justinh:

I got so worked up about it I decided to give it a fairer chance & went to RTFM but couldnt find the docs

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justinh:

you know how it goes with windows users.. double click setup.exe, expect it to work, and if it doesn't – just bin it

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seth|laptop:

any one here using gentoo, and have mythweb working?

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GreyFoxx:

nifty, I was just given a PLX 8input capture card to play with

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

can Windows media center handle HDTV?

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

as in encrypted

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

sanmarcos-trabaj: Umm.. wrong channel.... This is the mythtv channel!

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

I wanted to compare

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

shit

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

fucking hypocrites

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fryfrog:

sanmarcos-trabaj: I think the new vista with a cable card thing can

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

sanmarcos-trabaj: MythTV kicks MCE's A$$ – IMHO of course.

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fryfrog:

assuming you buy an *entire* system from some pc maker

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

but it cant handle encrytped hd for now

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fryfrog:

even linux can't do *encrypted* cable

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

the new MCE interface looks great

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fryfrog:

but if you have a firewire STB, you can grab that with myth and its awsome :)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Yeah, but "Satan appears as an angel of light"... ;-)

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fryfrog:

i doubt anyone will ever make cable card pci cards that work in linux

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fryfrog:

to get cable labs certified, you have to... get the *whole* system certified :(

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fryfrog:

is that true?

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fryfrog:

satan will appear as an angel of light?

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

what has this world come to

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fryfrog:

it is the end times, for sure

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

fryfrog: I was making a joke about him saying that the MCE interface looks great... ;-)

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

I surely hope so

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

I am so sick of this shit

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fryfrog:

i stash away all my little packets of katsup, jelly, honey, etc in a bag next to my desk

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fryfrog:

when the end comes, we'll see who is laughing when i have a 2 weeks suply of food in tiny, convienient packages!

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

fryfrog: With a cup of hot water and your ketchup, you've got tomato soup!

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fryfrog:

i never even thought of that!

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fryfrog:

water + hot sauce == watery hotsauce!!!

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

fryfrog: Just add some of the creamers from the fridge, and it's almost perfect!

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fryfrog:

syrup + katchup == wtf???

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

GreyFoxx: Is that card for cctv monitoring, or does it do full frame rates & sterio audio too?

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justinh:

8 channels of software encoding? oof! or does it have jpeg codecs onboard too? ;)

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** justinh wonders how much the Chinese govt. would charge to rent their satellite destructo-beam thingy **

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

its a laser?

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justinh:

naw its a missile, but la-zer sounds better. muhahahahaha

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

they just got tired of the american spying on them while they take a shit

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

so, in the event of war they will just shot them out of the atmoshphere

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

ingenious chinese trickery

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justinh:

I'm thinking more along the lines of helping my cable co compete better

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

selfish

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justinh:

human nature, innit ;)

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gizmobay:

Something wrong with gossamer-threads and mythtv-users?

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: 8 bt878a chips, and 1 other big chip which I don't know what it does.

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GreyFoxx:

J-e-f-f-A: No audio

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GreyFoxx:

for CCTV cams

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GreyFoxx:

I'm gonna connect it up to play with :)

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GreyFoxx:

At least I've been told there is no audio

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

GreyFoxx: What's the connectivity to it – 8 RCA or BNC jacks, or some massive 'octopus' cable?

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GreyFoxx:

octopus with 8 bnc connectors, so I'd assume video only

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

gardengnome: great minds think alike! ;-)

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GreyFoxx:

It is, I just looked it up :)

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clever:

2007-02–12 13:39:21.173 TFW, Error: Write() — IOBOUND begin cnt(43799) free(29341)

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clever:

what would cause those errors?

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fryfrog:

IOBOUND is usually write issues

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fryfrog:

ie, disks or network can't keep up

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clever:

ahh

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fryfrog:

maybe you do a lot of stuff

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clever:

watching tv atm

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clever:

and im running a small script which md5's about 18k files to find matching hashes

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clever:

the 18k files are under 50mb total but its still alot of files

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clever:

when im done watching this show i'll check the write speed of my drive

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clever:

also

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clever:

this pc for some reason

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clever:

has an extremely odd lag with the harddrive

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clever:

when i do :w in vim

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clever:

it takes 10–30 seconds to finish

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clever:

when its instantly when running thru ssh and dialup to a 133mhz pc

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grizzL:

beyond tuning events)

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clever:

reniced the entire bash for the md5'ing window

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clever:

next md5 batch i start will be low prio

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clever:

any tools i can use to benchmark a harddrive under linux?

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gardengnome:

clever: hdparm -tT, bonnie++

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arnducky:

When one runs "MythTV Frontend", is it supposed to exit as soon as you click 'Finish'?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

amducky: Well, if you mean after pressing ESC and getting the pop up that asks if you really want to exit, and you select 'yes', then yeah-- it exits within a few seconds usually... (I believe it's closing doing some housekeeping first, such as closing the mysql database)

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clever:

gardengnome: when i run that it spits out an error

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gardengnome:

clever: ?

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clever:

sudo hdparm -tT, bonnie++

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clever:

hdparm – get/set hard disk parameters – version v6.3

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clever:

Usage: hdparm [options] [device] ..

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clever:

then it spits out a ton of usage info that you would bitch at me for pasting:P

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gardengnome:

clever: umm

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gardengnome:

clever: that's two commands, actually. i'd suggest that you read their respective man pages

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clever:

ahh

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** clever trys hdparm -tT /dev/hda **

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** kormoc blinks **

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clever:

bonnie doesnt seem to be installed

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kormoc:

oh my, what ever could you do

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** kormoc faints with his hand on hiw brow **

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clever:

lol

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kormoc:

*his

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clever:

for my laptop which responds in what i consider a normal time it comes out as Timing cached reads: 492 MB in 2.01 seconds = 245.00 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 24 MB in 3.95 seconds = 6.08 MB/sec

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arnducky:

J-e-f-f-A|work: it exits immediately with no prompting in my case

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clever:

the mythtv box which responds oddly slow is Timing cached reads: 848 MB in 2.00 seconds = 423.97 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 82 MB in 3.01 seconds = 27.22 MB/sec

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arnducky:

debconf says the database is misconfigured

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kormoc:

clever, "Timing cached reads" is system memory speed, not actually related to the hard drive's speed

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

and acording to that info the mythtv box is faster

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arnducky:

what's the default password for the mythtv user account?

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justinh:

arnducky: look in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt – ubuntu yes?

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arnducky:

the dialogue is telling me to login to an X session to finish configuring it but I never set a password, or even ran useradd

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arnducky:

justinh: yep — edgy eft

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justinh:

!trout ubuntu wedgy

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** MythLogBot slaps ubuntu with a wedgy trout on behalf of justinh... **

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clever:

i dont beleive it sets a password on the user it adds to the system

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clever:

i just do some complex stuff with xauth to run it as mythtv while X is under my name

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justinh:

the debconf script makes a mythtv user

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justinh:

the password might be mythtv

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justinh:

or it might be a random one like the mysql mythtv user's password is

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clever:

mythtv:!:13547:0:99999:7:::

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justinh:

sudo passwd mythtv :)

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justinh:

that'll fix it

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clever:

my shadow line appears to be disabled

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clever:

justinh: i use this cmd

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clever:

sudo rm /tmp/auth;xauth extract /tmp/auth :0 &&sudo chown mythtv /tmp/auth && sudo -u mythtv xauth -f /home/mythtv/.Xauthority merge /tmp/auth && sudo rm /tmp/auth

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justinh:

clever: ffs just sudo passwd mythtv

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arnducky:

Could not open the file /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt.

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arnducky:

do I have ti be root?

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justinh:

arnducky: my mistake I thought you were talking about the mysql user called mythtv

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clever:

that copys the xauth cookies for :0 to mythtv's xauth file

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justinh:

arnducky: sudo passwd mythtv

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arnducky:

and then, what do I set it to?

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justinh:

arnducky: something memorable!

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arnducky:

doesn't the app have to know it

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justinh:

mythtv only needs to know the mysql user called mythtv

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arnducky:

or is that only the MySQL DB that it needs to have a passwd for?

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clever:

gardengnome: installing bonnie++....

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gardengnome:

clever: bonnie++ is more of a file system benchmark AFAIR

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justinh:

arnducky: myth only needs to know the login details for the mysql user

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clever:

bonnie++ – Hard drive bottleneck testing benchmark suite.

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justinh:

arnducky: the mythtv package installer creates a linux user called mythtv and prolly sets a random password for it – or maybe a blank one I can't remember

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clever:

on ubuntu the package appears to have set the account to disabled

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justinh:

it also creates the mythtv database & a mysql user called mythtv. it definitely creates a random password for the mythtv mysql user which it stores in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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justinh:

I'm gonna stop trying to sort this out with you guys – you all need to bang on the ubuntu's door about this lameness

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clever:

i rebuilt my mythtv from source

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grizzL:

I tried that same route justinh.. from ubuntu .debs

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clever:

but i still have the username/database scructure the ubuntu package gave me

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gardengnome:

justinh: it gets annoying after a few thousand times, doesn't it?

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grizzL:

mythtv-database is the pkg that should add/setup users/tables

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justinh:

clever: unless you removed the old libs you'll likely have 2 versions of mythtv installed

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clever:

i uninstalled all the mythtv related packages first

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grizzL:

justinh: you could try dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database, that might bring up the 'set mysql password / set mythtv user password' configuration

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justinh:

gardengnome: yup. and the improvements we all talked about are still in the to-do list on that wiki page

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justinh:

grizzL: it asks you if you want to set a root password for mysql & that's about all it asks for

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grizzL:

justinh: you can also edit all your .mythtv/mysql.txt files, and change the user/password to "root"/"" (default for ubuntu mysql)

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grizzL:

thats a quick hack which'll get you past that issuee

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justinh:

not the best solution IMHO

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grizzL:

well, I like to get things up, working, quick 'n dirty.. then I refine the process a couple times, till its tight

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grizzL:

I thought I could start with .debs, then move to custom builds

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grizzL:

but .debs didnt do shit for me..

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justinh:

and if there wasn't about a million blog page 'howto' guides for mythtv it'd be a nicer situation but sadly everybody wants their own hit stats to increase in preference to having a common *authorititive* document set

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** gardengnome is actually gonna move to back to using precompiled .debs **

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gardengnome:

less trouble

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stuarta:

no sense of adventure

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gardengnome:

stuarta: ;)

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gardengnome:

stuarta: i need to get the hardware up & running first ;)

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stuarta:

heh...

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grizzL:

justinh: have you gotten your hw to tune/decode using another app.. like kaffeine or vdr or something

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grizzL:

?

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hads:

heh, go to sleep – talking about Ubuntu. Wake up – still talking about Ubuntu

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clever:

lol

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clever:

gardengnome: running bonnie....

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clever:

*while* mythtv is watching livetv

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clever:

and its causing IOBOUND errors:P

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justinh:

grizzL: when I tested my tuner card I needed nothing more than tzap & mplayer

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gardengnome:

yeah, back in the day...

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justinh:

don't think kaffeine was even a twinkle in anybody's eye back then

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

do you have any experiences moving woith u-haul?

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hads:

?

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** justinh eyes the massive pile of cds he brought in to rip with suspicion **

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clever:

2007-02–12 14:21:57.457 NVR: Ran out of free AUDIO buffers :-(

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justinh:

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justinh:

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justinh:

steady now...

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stuarta:

wibble

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

weebles wobble but they don't fall down...

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justinh:

so much for Alliance & Leicester calling me back. damnit. I wanna save money

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clever:

justinh: ive seen a machine made out of wood

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clever:

which would automaticaly load a stack of cd's into a drive for use

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clever:

with that you can just sit back and watch the machine load discs all day

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justinh:

haha

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** clever finds the link **

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justinh:

if I wanted to do something like that I'd still be using gentoo

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justinh:

I bet you still have to take the discs out & put them onto a spindle

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clever:

nope

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clever:

plain pile of cd's

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clever:

no spindle

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justinh:

plus I'm not planning on doing this ever again

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

clever, justinh: It wouldn't be all that hard to setup, as long as the 'rip' program ejected the CD drive when the rip was done, and started ripping automatically when a new audio disk was put in...

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cleverca:

http://www.hackaday.com/2006/06/17/diy-optical-disc-duplicator/

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cleverca:

lol theres also a link to a 2nd one made out of lego

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justinh:

this time I'm not converting my whole collection

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cleverca:

you could shred it and give the parts back to your son when done with it:P

[20:27:23]

justinh:

all those lame 'dance' CDs are going on ebay in a job lot

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justinh:

only ever bought them so I could mime-djing & get drunk

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justinh:

turned out it was too boring so I DJ'd drunk instead ;)

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Dagmar:

All of these "inventions" are rather pointless now.

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cleverca:

lol

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fysa:

Why?

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justinh:

self-replicating machines

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Dagmar:

There's at least five shops in this town that will do CDs, audio or data, they don't care, four color labels, in lots upwards of 250, for about what blanks cost.

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fysa:

What do you think they use? :P

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justinh:

they have self-replicating users – or should have you know.. go forth & multiply!

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cleverca:

ubuntu also seems to use a service like that for sending out free install cd's

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hads:

justinh: heh, I used to do that. Works a treat.

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** j-rod pets his shiny new hdhomerun **

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cleverca:

fysa you could make one of these and start a cd copying shop of your own then:P

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cleverca:

make it slightly cheaper then a blank cd:P

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fysa:

It's still completely useful. DVDs, HD-DVDs, Blu-Rays. They're all the same form-factor.. :P

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cleverca:

yeah

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Dagmar: Is that in the US, or abroad?

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cleverca:

this isnt a random access method/jukebox

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Dagmar:

That's in the US

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justinh:

you shouldn't seen the discs I had done for LRL2006 – cost me £0.10 each inc. printing

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cleverca:

which might be good if your low on hdd space

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fysa:

What I really want is a 1000 disc changer, software-controlled, that scans the contents of each disc and creates a virtual filesystem layer.

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Dagmar:

I would almost go for that

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cleverca:

if you had a cd/dvd jukebox which can access a random disk on demand it would be better for long term storage of the data on discs

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Dagmar: I just looked into 4-color printed CD's — they were about $1 each... With a min quantity of 100...

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Dagmar:

God knows the last time someone had a used 100-disc changer for sale around here I went and checked it out rather carefully

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fysa:

Would you buy something like that, Dagmar?

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Dagmar:

If there was ANY freaking way I could have made that easily interfaceable to a PC it would have become a bulk archive server

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Dagmar:

fysa: New, no. Used, probably.

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doc_:

hi there

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Dagmar:

fysa: The main problem now is that hard drives are still WAY the hell ahead in storage density versus access times

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Dagmar: How about the Sony 200-disc DVD-RW system... 200 disc firewire dvd writer!?!

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fysa:

I've been CAD'ing a framework that would let you mount your own slim external drives. You'd install your own slim DVD-ROM or such (three of them, next to eachother) and calibrate it.

[20:33:42]

cleverca:

Dagmar get a set of usb harddrive enclosures

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cleverca:

put 10 on 1 usb hub

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fysa:

Then when you went HD-DVD, you'd just replace the slim drive..

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cleverca:

then jukebox the connections up

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cleverca:

1 click and you swap the entire 10 drives out for another set

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Dagmar:

cleverca: Screw that. I have a full tower that's probably going to become a NAS appliance soon

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Dagmar:

I figure two terabytes oughtta hold me for a good long time

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cleverca:

lol

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

For a year or two anyways... ;-)

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cleverca:

and what did you first say when you heard of 1gig drives?:P

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Dagmar:

"Yay"

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cleverca:

:P

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fysa:

HDDs are cheaper (with your time to burn included) at the moment, but it's not going to be long until multi-layer HD-Rs in mass production tip it the other way again.

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cleverca:

now 1gig is nothing

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Dagmar:

There'll be 1Tb drives before summer is out.

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cleverca:

:D

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immolo:

Dagmar- 1TB will hold a year

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Dagmar:

Trust me.

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immolo:

I'm still looking into boosting it to 2TB

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Dagmar:

August/September is the planned release.

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immolo:

I mean I have a TB

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immolo:

:P

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Dagmar:

I'm just one drive away from a terabyte now

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fysa:

What I'm really interested in.. is co-locating a mythbackend on a decent connection, splitting the costs with 4+ people and everyone gets a mythfrontend.

[20:36:43]

justinh:

I'll be getting my sticky paws on the hitachi 1TB drives quite soonish

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Dagmar:

...which is why I need to get these drives out of all the machines and put them in one place so I can at least centralize the mess

[20:36:54]

fysa:

Then 4TB+ would be easy..

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hads:

You'd want 5 pretty good connections there...

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immolo:

fysa- or go sata and have even more :D

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Dagmar: I did it the easy way... bought 3 500GB SATAII drives – $149 each... ;-)

[20:38:07]

Dagmar:

The first company to manage a reasonable backup solution that can keep up with HDs now will make a MINT

[20:38:25]

Dagmar:

We've got a robot at work with over 600 LTO2 tapes in it.

[20:38:32]

Dagmar:

They are no longer cost-effective, IMHO.

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justinh:

I've heard bad things about tapes

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justinh:

like guaranteeing you can read them in a month's time on a different drive

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hads:

Dagmar: Ouch, that must cost a fortune.

[20:39:10]

Dagmar:

Well, other than people charge WAY too much for the cleaning tapes, we've had no problems like that

[20:39:34]

Dagmar:

justinh: Definitely zero problems like that. The machine in question has seven drives for reading/writing

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hads:

As long as the machine doesn't explode :)

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Dagmar:

Someone running into an issue like that is probably not properly maintaining the drives

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Dagmar:

...which are pretty tetchy

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Dagmar: We went from 100's of 3490 tapes (~800MB each) shipped out a day, to just a few LTO II's...

[20:42:20]

Dagmar:

Jesus I can't imagine having to deal with 3490's still.

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Dagmar:

We're punting between 5–15 LTO2's offsite and back each day

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Dagmar: Yeah, they finally converted our 3rd datacenter to Virtual tape last weekend... What a relief!!!!

[20:42:54]

justinh:

right about now.. the funk soul brother.. yeah baby

[20:43:28]

** hads thinks justinh got distracted and started listening to his CDs **

[20:43:44]

justinh:

digitally imported or something :)

[20:44:10]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Dagmar: For the CD printing — do you have any links? And which type of printing — inkjet or silkscreen? Thanks...

[20:45:06]

hads:

Yay, my DVI module turned up. I can finish my new frontend

[20:45:25]

Dagmar:

J-e-f-f-A: As far as I know they're silkscreened. This is Nashville, mind you

[20:46:00]

Dagmar:

J-e-f-f-A: ...so these places have basically all just retooled from doing 45's

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hads:

:)

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mythbox:

justinh: what happened to the screenshots of your neon theme for myth?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Dagmar: Humm... I was googling for pre-printed CD's a week or two ago, and the cheapest price I could find was about $1/disc — which doesn't seem like much of a deal to me... Especially when I can by the white-faced cd-r's for 19 cents each...

[20:49:09]

Dagmar:

That's definitely a crap deal

[20:49:13]

justinh:

!trout mythbox

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** MythLogBot slaps mythbox with a trout on behalf of justinh... **

[20:49:31]

mythbox:

i don't get it

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Dagmar: And print them on my inkjet... (But then again, I haven't calculated how much they're costing me in ink...)

[20:50:28]

gardengnome:

justinh: are you gonna make a 16:15 almost-square version of neon?

[20:50:37]

hads:

Bollocks. Wrong DVI module :(

[20:51:08]

justinh:

lol gardengnome

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mythbox:

justinh: are they not there anymore? I was trying to show my roommate yesterday, but i couldn't find it on your site

[20:51:20]

justinh:

it's not there anymore

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mythbox:

why?!

[20:51:42]

justinh:

see?

[20:51:59]

justinh:

because people were whining – jokingly or not that it's not out yet

[20:52:10]

mythbox:

oh, it looked really good

[20:52:17]

justinh:

it still does :-P

[20:52:22]

hads:

Hmm, maybe. Maybe it just has 10 extra pins :/

[20:52:25]

mythbox:

is there anyway i get some shots to show my roommate?

[20:52:25]

Dagmar:

Woot! Jello is coming to town

[20:52:25]

justinh:

and it's still in my subversion server

[20:52:39]

justinh:

mythbox: erm.. if they're in your cache

[20:52:45]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

mythbox: Why not check your browser cache?

[20:52:48]

justinh:

it's what they call UNDER WRAPS

[20:52:57]

mythbox:

my cache has been cleared since then

[20:53:06]

mythbox:

oh well, i'm sure i'll see it someday

[20:53:09]

justinh:

and if I see any screenshots in the wild it might not come out. I'm a c*** like that

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justinh:

:D

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fysa:

HDHomeRun is dual tuner?

[20:54:01]

** stuarta hands justinh a chill pill :) **

[20:54:12]

mythbox:

justinh: did you ever get your Epia board to display correctly on your TV?

[20:54:15]

hads:

Anyone used a EPIA DVI-03 module?

[20:54:22]

justinh:

mythbox: err.. yes

[20:54:28]

gardengnome:

hads: i just can't win either. i got gar-minimyth almost up and running again. now it's complaing that "ar" is missing which is definitely installed on the host. ;)

[20:54:57]

hads:

gardengnome: Bummer

[20:55:11]

Dagmar:

gardengnome: you gotta stop trying to build with the production environment

[20:55:17]

mythbox:

justinh: I'm having issues, the only resolution i can get displayed is 1024x768 which stretches... everything else has crazy overscan

[20:55:22]

mythbox:

i think that's what it's called

[20:55:40]

justinh:

mythbox: I use 720x576Noscale – works great but overscans about 5%

[20:55:52]

justinh:

<8 openchrome

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mythbox:

mine was overscanning by about 20% i'd guess

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hads:

A couple of the builds I've done have had stability issues, not sure if it's the update to 2.6.20 or what yet. Built one lastnight to test

[20:56:07]

mythbox:

in gnome i couldnt' see either the top nor bottom bards

[20:56:08]

mythbox:

bars

[20:56:23]

Dagmar:

That would be normal

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justinh:

mythbox: you expect too much if you want the desktop to fit perfectly on your TV

[20:56:36]

mythbox:

that's normal?!

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justinh:

totally

[20:56:43]

mythbox:

but my tv has VGA

[20:56:47]

Dagmar:

5% overscan is *normal*

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justinh:

so?

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mythbox:

Dagmar: I thought you meant the fact that i couldnt' see the bars is normal

[20:57:07]

justinh:

my TV has speakers built in. doesn't mean it sounds as good as my hifi

[20:57:07]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: i have to admit that i've got no f'ing clue what i'm doing. i'm just following the instructions, i think. every time i run into strange stuff like now, i'm getting more confused

[20:57:20]

Dagmar:

mythbox: Considering those suckers don't take up 5% of the screen, for them to be hidden is perfectly normal

[20:57:23]

Dagmar:

mythbox:http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Theme_de . . . scan_and_You

[20:58:00]

Dagmar:

plop the cheatsheet appropriate for your aspect ratio into MythGallery and view it

[20:58:05]

justinh:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Overscan

[20:58:17]

mythbox:

i don't really have any overscan with 1024x768

[20:58:17]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: see, it bitched that makeinfo wasn't installed. i installed it on the host and it worked. now the same doesn't work for 'ar' yet the rror message is the same. ;)

[20:58:48]

justinh:

shit! how the hell did I end up with 2 copies of 'Quench' ?!

[20:58:51]

Dagmar:

gardengnome: It *should* be in /usr/bin but it may be making some assumptions

[20:59:09]

Dagmar:

gardengnome: Some dim assumptions based on other paths.

[20:59:19]

Dagmar:

gardengnome: Which thing that you're building is causing the issue?

[20:59:26]

** justinh puts the extra one in the ebay pile **

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hads:

gardengnome: Check if there's a valid link in ./gar-minimyth/images/build/bin-build-system/

[21:00:31]

justinh:

hads: another minimyth build expert eh? ;)

[21:00:51]

justinh:

you can run now but you can't hide :-P

[21:00:55]

hads:

hardly :)

[21:00:59]

Dagmar:

Disclaimer: I have zero experience with minimyth. I just build whole Unix machines from source.

[21:01:23]

hads:

Dagmar: It's a bit of a bizzare build system layout.

[21:01:27]

justinh:

hads: you know more than us, therefore you is the expert

[21:01:32]

Dagmar:

hads: I'm getting that impression, yes.

[21:02:09]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: umm, it's minimyth itself. it looks like it checks for certain dependencies before doing anything. i'm simply executing "make build" in script/meta/minimyth which should just build the whole thing.

[21:02:15]

gardengnome:

hads: yes, the symlink is valid.

[21:02:21]

hads:

Once in the makefile there is no reference to the systems PATH, the only system stuff it uses is symlinked into the build system directory.

[21:02:30]

timothyp:

Hi, I'm having problems with ivtv and 2.6.20 kernel. ivtv dmesg output is here: http://www.blicbox.be/uieforum?c=showthread&ThreadID=87

[21:02:35]

cleverca:

i just had an idea for mythmusic

[21:02:39]

hackwolf:

Hi. I'm struggling with the problem of chattering keys in the user interface i.e. when I press cursor down the cursor moves two items down. Is there some workaround for this behaviour?

[21:02:48]

cleverca:

it could open a modem device adn listen for caller id info

[21:02:49]

sanmarcos-trabaj:

timothyp, ha ha! good luck!

[21:03:04]

sanmarcos-trabaj:

timothyp, feel the pain

[21:03:18]

Dagmar:

timothyp: Perhaps you should actually read what you pasted

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Dagmar: How sure are you about those silk-screened CD prices? I'm not finding anything under $.99 each – and that's for min quantity of 500... Then there's all sorts of setup charges... Yuck.. Maybe I'll stick to printing them on my inkjet...

[21:03:58]

Dagmar:

J-e-f-f-A: There may have been unmentioned setup prices. I just know there used to alwyas be 1–3 ads along those lines on the "backboard" page of the Nashville Scene

[21:05:03]

timothyp:

Excuse me?

[21:05:03]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Dagmar: Ok, thanks. I'm not a musician myself, but a few of my friends are... Maybe one of them subscribes... ;-)

[21:05:07]

timothyp:

I DID read what it says

[21:05:13]

timothyp:

I even checked the files again and again

[21:05:14]

sanmarcos-trabaj:

timothyp, then fix it

[21:05:25]

Dagmar:

J-e-f-f-A: It's a free paper. nashvillescene.com or something

[21:05:32]

timothyp:

oh one of those RTFM (which does not include your problem btw) kinda of gusy ey

[21:05:33]

sanmarcos-trabaj:

timothyp, this channel is about Myth, IVTV has nothing to do with it. Try #ivtv-dev

[21:05:45]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

dagmar: Thanks... ;-)

[21:05:47]

timothyp:

well that would have been a good start thank you

[21:05:53]

Dagmar:

timothyp: Then you have a reading comprehension problem because it's being very clear about you not having teh firmware file it expects

[21:06:15]

Dagmar:

timothyp: So take your lame-ass attitude over to http://www.rif.org

[21:06:20]

timothyp:

yes well I was hoping someone might have been able to tell me what it does expect

[21:06:38]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: that website is spooky

[21:06:38]

Dagmar:

One that is 376836 bytes in size

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timothyp:

yes I got that much

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timothyp:

sorry , I'm sorry I assumed that people using mythtv might have any experience with ivtv

[21:07:25]

gardengnome:

www.ivtvdriver.org is also a helpful ressource

[21:07:28]

Dagmar:

I'm sorry newbs think is appropriate to insult the people they're asking for help when they're not giving hand-holding

[21:07:34]

sanmarcos-trabaj:

timothyp, wrong.

[21:07:42]

sanmarcos-trabaj:

god I love doing this

[21:07:51]

timothyp:

hmmm

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** gardengnome sends sanmarcos-trabaj back to trabajo **

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timothyp:

you see, when someone asks me for help

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Dagmar:

My firmware is that size. I have no idea what your problem could be, other than more reading comprehension problems.

[21:08:17]

timothyp:

I don't care what channel I'm on or what email adres they send to if I know the answer I'll help them instead of telling them off like telling of a dog

[21:08:28]

hads:

yawn

[21:08:32]

timothyp:

well the entire ivtv site mentions only a single zip file with firmware

[21:08:37]

Dagmar:

timothyp: You are the one who started up being a twit

[21:08:46]

timothyp:

so you know .... having the wrong size kinda gave me the idea it was something else going on

[21:08:50]

sanmarcos-trabaj:

timothyp, yes, wouldnt it be nice.. now just go away, we answered yourt questions.

[21:09:09]

justinh:

sanmarcos-trabaj: behave

[21:09:09]

gardengnome:

timothyp: whatever. there's enough noise in here as it is with *mythtv* problems.

[21:09:38]

gardengnome:

justinh: says the choleric ;)

[21:09:39]

Dagmar:

timothyp: And it definitely mentions more than one way to get firmware

[21:09:48]

sanmarcos-trabaj:

justinh, oh, now you jump in to defend, that is okay...

[21:10:07]

Dagmar:

gberardi: You may have gotten an HD-1600

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gberardi:

Dagmar: I thought that I might, but there was no note indicating as such...of course, I never thought to look up what one looks like.

[21:10:42]

gberardi:

Dagmar: I guess I have one more thing to eliminate as a possibility.

[21:10:45]

Dagmar:

gberardi: Hauppage has apparently been sending them out insteead of PVR-150's around the holidays because of some parts shortage or other

[21:10:58]

Dagmar:

There should have been a note in the box

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justinh:

if it was an hvr1600 card it wouldn't work at all

[21:11:18]

justinh:

certainly not as an mpeg encoding tuner card

[21:11:31]

Dagmar:

gberardi: You *might* want to look at what's on Newegg.com, since they have multiple models of the PVR-150, with pictures

[21:11:52]

justinh:

and they tell you the model number too – which will be written on the card somewhere no doubt

[21:12:20]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

usually on the tuner — a 5 or 6 digit number iirc...

[21:12:45]

gberardi:

justinh: Yeah, I was contemplating reinstalling Ubuntu and getting a new motherboard to deal with the instability, but I just realized that the two PVR-150s aren't the exact same model and maybe that is the problem.

[21:13:13]

sanmarcos-trabaj:

gberardi, basically, they screwed you?

[21:13:17]

justinh:

sometimes the autodetection voodoo doesn't work and you need to tell it module options

[21:13:47]

gberardi:

Well, I guess I shouldn't make guesses. I'll just have to verify when I get home.

[21:14:27]

sanmarcos-trabaj:

justinh, thats udev, not ubuntu

[21:14:38]

justinh:

yeah well – hand in glove :)

[21:14:46]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Anyone using an Hauppauge HVR-950 btw?

[21:14:48]

justinh:

down to ubunut's udev rules

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gberardi:

Wow, ok. I just checked Hauppauge's site, and there are a lot of different PVR-150 cards that look different.

[21:15:43]

gberardi:

It may be that I have two PVR-150s, but that one of them isn't actually supported by ivtv well?

[21:15:47]

justinh:

I've seen some cards that have minijack audio inputs, some with phono (RCA) inputs

[21:15:51]

gberardi:

I know, I know, that's an ivtv problem.

[21:16:08]

justinh:

gberardi: maybe you need to pass ivtv some module options

[21:16:13]

gardengnome:

justinh: i've got actually got one of each ;)

[21:16:18]

gardengnome:

justinh: well, pvr 250 that is

[21:16:38]

gardengnome:

one my of pvr 250s just skips a few seconds/minutes in the stream when it'

[21:16:47]

gardengnome:

s recording, it's probably overheating :/

[21:17:07]

justinh:

eee I can remember reading the ivtv list every day to see how the pvr150 support was coming along

[21:18:59]

gberardi:

justinh: Er, do you know if it is normal or possible to pass different options to each of the two PVR-150s in a machine?

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gberardi:

I was under the impression that options would be global

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Dagmar:

Should be

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justinh:

gberardi: tuner options is prolly how it determines which card variant is which

[21:19:58]

justinh:

thankfully, unlike lamegrabber cards there aren't that many possibilities ;)

[21:21:08]

justinh:

now that I've chilled out a tad I can say that neon-wide will probably be out before the end of Feb

[21:21:22]

justinh:

notice I said *probably*

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Milosch:

right, only a sith speaks in absolutes...

[21:22:17]

** Dagmar spritzes the air with GeekAway **

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Beirdo:

justinh, I see you also wisely choose not to say WHICH February :) Good choice

[21:22:25]

justinh:

hahaha yes!

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gberardi:

One of the things I tried was cat/dev/videoX > testX.mpg for both cards, and there was no problem with creating the mpeg from the stream. I guess I am not sure but if that works, then should I decide that ivtv works and that the problem lies elsewhere (64bit, dual core, nForce motherboard), or should I assume that I can't assume anything?

[21:23:00]

justinh:

and I didn't say where I'd be releasing it

[21:23:47]

Dagmar:

gberardi: I would not bother trying to use 64-bit binaries for awhile

[21:23:48]

justinh:

I could say my svn server got pwn3d & it got leaked so it won't be supported

[21:24:23]

Dagmar:

gberardi: I've seen multiple cases of instability from people running an i686 kernel on an Athlon64, for instance.

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hjohnson:

ok, going home.

[21:24:46]

Dagmar:

Other than that tehre's precious little improvemnet (and exceptionally increased hassle) trying 64-bit builds of the OS itself still

[21:24:46]

ServerSage:

Hey folks, is there anyway to sync what is in the database with what is on the filesystem? I seem to have some recordings in my mythtv directory that are no longer in the database.

[21:25:22]

hjohnson:

eh, I just run debian/amd64

[21:25:22]

justinh:

ServerSage: mythrebuilddatabase.pl

[21:25:31]

hjohnson:

everything's built for amd64 already, so I don't have to bother.

[21:25:33]

gizmobay:

check_recordings.pl

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gberardi:

Dagmar: Ok, but I think there was a generic kernel option that seemed to make x86_64 obsolete, if I remember correctly.

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Dagmar:

gberardi: You have to be misremembering

[21:25:52]

gberardi:

Dagmar: Ok. B-)

[21:26:06]

justinh:

gizmobay: not in /contrib there ain't

[21:26:20]

hjohnson:

ivtv has been stable on my amd64

[21:26:30]

Milosch:

Dagmar: i puked when i saw the young anakin ghost in the remake of jedi...

[21:26:32]

gberardi:

hjohnson: What hardware are you using?

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hjohnson:

PVR500, asus motherboard, Athlon 64 X2 3800+

[21:27:41]

gizmobay:

justinh: what do you mean?

[21:27:43]

Dagmar:

The wiki explains about the PCI latency

[21:27:55]

hjohnson:

Dagmar: pre-emptible kernel has no effect on an SMP machine

[21:27:59]

ServerSage:

justinh: Does mythrebuilddatabase.pl come with the source? I don't seem to have it...

[21:28:00]

gberardi:

hjohnson: Ok, and the PVR500 is just detected as two PVR-150s, right?

[21:28:03]

Dagmar:

hjohnson: Yes, but there's those damn Gentoo people out there

[21:28:19]

gizmobay:

I use check_recordings.pl

[21:28:27]

hjohnson:

gberardi: esentially, yes... though there is some tweaking for the LNA on one of the tuners.

[21:28:28]

justinh:

gizmobay: myth.rebuilddatabase.pl is what it's called officially

[21:28:29]

Dagmar:

hjohnosn: It sure as hell had no problem causing spontaneous reboots on my UP machine

[21:28:33]

gizmobay:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2363

[21:28:39]

justinh:

ServerSage: myth.rebuilddatabase.pl

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hjohnson:

Dagmar: yeah.. the way the pre-emtible kernel is implemented is basically enabling a whack of the SMP code on UP machines.

[21:29:20]

ServerSage:

justinh: Must not be in the Gentoo package.

[21:29:25]

hjohnson:

SMP machines already have a premptible kernel, by definition.

[21:29:34]

gberardi:

hjohnson: Tweaking you had to do or tweaking by MythTV?

[21:29:37]

justinh:

ServerSage: or grab a copy from http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . thtv/contrib

[21:29:46]

gardengnome:

ServerSage: check trac, there's some other script

[21:29:49]

hjohnson:

(basically it boils down to some APIC magic)

[21:29:49]

ServerSage:

justinh: Thanks, I just pulled it from the source.

[21:29:52]

justinh:

^^^ for 0.20-fixes

[21:30:02]

Dagmar:

hjohnson: Yeah, but there's not a shiny, candylike kernel configuration option for them with those. it's just in there

[21:30:06]

ServerSage:

gardengnome: Alrighty.

[21:30:06]

justinh:

gardengnome: what *other* script?

[21:30:11]

hjohnson:

gberardi: that the ivtv driver had to do.. the first revision of the ivtv driver I tried dind't enable the lNA, so it looked like really really weak signal.

[21:30:28]

gberardi:

hjohnson: Ah, ok

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hjohnson:

gberardi: anyhow, i'm going home.

[21:30:59]

hjohnson:

my brain is fried and I have a nasty head cold.

[21:31:14]

gberardi:

hjohnson: Thanks for your help

[21:31:38]

ServerSage:

justinh: So what is the danger involved in running this? Should I back up my db and my mythtv directory just in case?

[21:31:47]

gardengnome:

justinh: something someone came up with that'll check if every database entry has got its corresponding file on the FS

[21:32:03]

justinh:

ServerSage: always back up the db

[21:32:05]

justinh:

always!

[21:32:16]

gberardi:

Dagmar: I think after checking to see that the two cards are indeed what they should be (and they probably will be just two variants of the same model...which makes no sense), I will check the PCI latency.

[21:32:47]

ServerSage:

justinh: :) Okay.

[21:32:56]

gberardi:

Dagmar: From what I read, though, it isn't just the cards I need to worry about.

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gberardi:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PCI_Latency This page, you mean?

[21:33:17]

hads:

Interesting. I had to clear the CMOS after trying this DVI module on my EPIA board and now the CPU fan spins.

[21:33:59]

Dagmar:

gberardi: yep

[21:35:25]

gberardi:

Thanks for your help, though

[21:35:33]

gberardi:

I have a list of things to check now

[21:39:17]

hackwolf:

What can I do against mythtv performing all cursor actions twice?

[21:39:59]

hads:

Bummer 'tis the wrong DVI module :/ silly suppliers.

[21:41:17]

gardengnome:

poor hads :(

[21:43:45]

Fony_Vaio:

anyone had problems getting PAL 720x576 @ 50hz working nicely with recent nvidia binary driver?

[21:43:53]

immolo:

hmm this is a pain in the arse but is there any way to send a user job to a different computer?

[21:50:46]

** justinh laughs. how ironic that intel's teraflop thing uses less power than my shitty athlons **

[21:51:01]

gardengnome:

see, you should have bought a conroe

[21:51:21]

justinh:

gonna buy a new window before I upgrade any computer in this house

[21:51:38]

stuarta:

hmmm

[21:53:05]

justinh:

ouch! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/6355447.stm

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gardengnome:

justinh: word is that most kids in the US get circumsized *shiver*

[21:56:06]

justinh:

evil, evil I tell you

[21:56:23]

gardengnome:

yeah

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** gardengnome notes that the automatic translation of microsoft knowledge base articles to german is annoyingly bad **

[21:57:50]

justinh:

I don't know where you'd even start to argue against traditions like that though

[21:58:29]

justinh:

aaanyway

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stuarta:

in recent news, you can now buy Viagra at Boots in Manchester

[22:00:24]

justinh:

from Wednesday

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[Jasper]:

hej guys

[22:00:56]

[Jasper]:

I wanna upgrade my box to hd specs

[22:01:01]

[Jasper]:

what should I go for hdmi or dvi

[22:01:11]

[Jasper]:

and what videocards are good at the moment?

[22:01:33]

justinh:

how romantic is that? starting to sell viagra from Valentine's Day?

[22:02:04]

stuarta:

i'll bet there's a rush, despite it being 50 quid for 4

[22:02:16]

Milosch:

yes, it's rising in popularity

[22:02:30]

stuarta:

hahaha

[22:02:37]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

rotfl!

[22:03:03]

justinh:

no comment about the local hard nuts

[22:03:38]

Milosch:

eww, a local would hurt

[22:04:25]

justinh:

if you're a bit skint (note I didn't say hard-up) you could always try pipe-cleaners

[22:05:29]

Milosch:

for the poseable you

[22:05:39]

justinh:

just a random question – whatever happened to the quotes mythweb used to proclaim?

[22:06:05]

gardengnome:

justinh: right. i want them back. they were teh fun

[22:06:41]

Fony_Vaio:

anyone using 720x576 res with nvidia binary driver?

[22:06:49]

hackwolf:

How can I configure mythtv-setup to prompt for confirmation of exit?

[22:06:58]

justinh:

was just thinking I could modify it a smidge & get it to quote fortunes or stuff from bash.org

[22:07:19]

justinh:

hackwolf: why? it's not something you need to be running often

[22:08:29]

hackwolf:

Well, I am not finished with configuring yet. The main problem is that I suffer from "keyboard chatter" which causes ESC to throw me out of the setup every now and then.

[22:08:51]

justinh:

hackwolf: without modifying the source you can't do what you want

[22:09:00]

justinh:

I suggest you fix your keyboard or get a new one

[22:09:14]

gardengnome:

ROTFL

[22:09:30]

gardengnome:

that's a completely new dimension of "my hardware is broken, i need a workaround in myth" ;)

[22:09:39]

hackwolf:

It is no problem with my keyboard. It's all right (and brand new btw.). Mythtv has this behaviour even with lirc.

[22:09:56]

justinh:

riiiight

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hads:

Except for everyone else :)

[22:10:35]

justinh:

funny how in over 2 years of using mythtv I've never seen that or heard of anybody else having that problem

[22:10:57]

Fony_Vaio:

i think nvidia are trying to force me to buy a hdtv... :/

[22:11:14]

justinh:

Fony_Vaio: just use 800x600 – it was good enough for me for ages

[22:11:20]

stuarta:

when did the EPG monkeys start using (cont) for the bit after the news???

[22:11:23]

gardengnome:

bah, 800x600

[22:11:30]

justinh:

stuarta: no idea

[22:11:35]

hackwolf:

justinh: Might be that I'm the only one having this problem as I found nothing on google.

[22:11:48]

stuarta:

at least they finally realized bbc7 doesn't show movies :)

[22:11:48]

justinh:

have they sorted that movies thing out with the radio channels yet btw?

[22:11:58]

hads:

Oh no. I got talked into going to a clients and trying to figure out why Windows won't print.

[22:12:10]

gardengnome:

hads: hahaha.

[22:12:33]

gardengnome:

hads: i'm trying to make my dad's windows xp laptop print ony mc cups box. but i can't add a IPP printer because i don't have admin rights..

[22:12:38]

hackwolf:

Any clue where I can search for a starting point if I wanted to change confirmation behaviour for myth-setup?

[22:12:48]

justinh:

hackwolf: the source

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hads:

I have no idea about Windows anymore really. This will be fun.

[22:13:06]

justinh:

but I'd honestly suspect your hardware first & foremost hackwolf

[22:13:18]

justinh:

I don't get random lirc keypresses either

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hackwolf:

Ever seen any doubly typed letter recently?

[22:13:49]

justinh:

hackwolf: nope, but ...

[22:13:55]

justinh:

maybe your lirc config is broken

[22:14:23]

hackwolf:

I used lirc just for comparison to see whether it's my keyboard.

[22:14:53]

justinh:

well, good luck fixing that with so little to go on

[22:16:31]

gardengnome:

maybe it's some really weird issue with lirc using its dev/input driver for the keyboard, messing $things up completely

[22:17:12]

Fony_Vaio:

justinh, really? but don't you notice the quality isn't as good as native 720x576?

[22:17:12]

** justinh is tempted to set up a new word filter in the forums **

[22:17:26]

justinh:

Fony_Vaio: it still looked pretty damn good

[22:17:38]

hackwolf:

I'd rather don't think so. I user Kernel 2.6.20 and lirc does not yet support this kernel --> no lirc running now.

[22:17:39]

justinh:

on a CRT TV you won't notice much difference

[22:17:39]

gardengnome:

justinh: did you use test cards? ;)

[22:17:58]

gardengnome:

hads: dev/input is not a kernel driver, but it was just a brain fart anyways

[22:17:59]

justinh:

gardengnome: haha no. used digital video essentials

[22:18:10]

gardengnome:

justinh: oh, nifty. i was too cheap to buy it

[22:18:19]

justinh:

I borrowed it

[22:18:48]

gardengnome:

you should have ripped it. it bet those test cards compress really well

[22:19:05]

justinh:

if I'm as bored at work tomorrow as I was today I think I'll start looking at that mythgallery patch

[22:20:31]

gardengnome:

i'll be studying tomorrow. and yelling at minimyth. i wish it just worked.

[22:21:10]

** justinh yells at radio paradise for playing so much country tonight **

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hjohnson:

hah

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stuarta:

night all

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** hjohnson has fond fond memories of flying into Kuwait, listening to radio paradise, and voiping with a friend at home from his airline seat. **

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justinh:

btw gardengnome have you seen any clues in minimyth about the 'improved' music player thing?

[22:22:15]

justinh:

night stuarta

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justinh:

I saw a mention of it in a minimyth.conf file but saw nothing about it in the forums

[22:23:08]

gardengnome:

justinh: do you mean "mythaudio"?

[22:23:16]

justinh:

yeah

[22:23:30]

justinh:

wossat all aboot?

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gardengnome:

justinh: i'll try to find out

[22:25:19]

justinh:

Specify whether or not to enable MythAudio – an experimental replacement for MythMusic. Valid values are 'yes' and 'no', with 'yes' being the default.

[22:25:40]

justinh:

I think I'd tried enabling it once but didn't see any difference

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Fony_Vaio:

justinh, yeah, but my tv is really picky (cheap), and it tends to get weird bands and colour blotches over the screen when i give it non PAL input. lol

[22:26:38]

gardengnome:

justinh: humm. maybe it's something that's being developed by pablo? i don't know.

[22:26:47]

justinh:

Fony_Vaio: sure it's the tv, not the ropey tv encoder on the card? before I got my geforce4 cards, I used gf2 & they were shite on the tv outs

[22:26:52]

gardengnome:

*** GAR GAR GAR! Failed to download download/mythaudio-0.0.0.tar.bz2! GAR GAR GAR! ***

[22:27:25]

Fony_Vaio:

justinh, 6600GT, hope not.

[22:29:40]

Fony_Vaio:

justinh, (WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "720x576"; removing.

[22:30:12]

justinh:

Fony_Vaio: ahh. maybe a modeline would fix that

[22:30:14]

gardengnome:

Fony_Vaio: did you specify a modeline?

[22:31:05]

gardengnome:

did you adjust the monitor section?

[22:31:07]

Fony_Vaio:

i *think* that's correct, although my knowledge of modelines is _very_ basic

[22:31:29]

Fony_Vaio:

gardengnome, that modeline *is* in the monitor section(s), nowhere else

[22:31:56]

gardengnome:

Fony_Vaio: i was referring to the vrefresh rate for your monitor

[22:32:28]

Fony_Vaio:

gardengnome, i think i might have hashed them out. :S

[22:33:19]

gardengnome:

maybe that's the cause.

[22:33:29]

gardengnome:

i had 720x576 working on my geforce 4 once

[22:33:40]

Fony_Vaio:

it was working for me a while ago

[22:33:56]

Fony_Vaio:

but i've since upgraded myth and the whole dist

[22:34:24]

Fony_Vaio:

still (WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "720x576"; removing.

[22:34:38]

gardengnome:

it's probably a driver issue

[22:34:46]

Fony_Vaio:

that's what i'm thinking

[22:34:51]

gardengnome:

sorry, i'm afraid i can't help you much there

[22:34:53]

justinh:

YMMV – your modes may vary

[22:34:58]

Fony_Vaio:

i only hashed those values out of desperation, anyway

[22:35:00]

gardengnome:

i just built a VGA -> SCART cable

[22:35:02]

gardengnome:

justinh: heh

[22:35:03]

Fony_Vaio:

lol

[22:35:23]

Fony_Vaio:

gardengnome, i don't think this tv can do rgb.

[22:35:38]

justinh:

a tv that doesn't do RGB?!

[22:35:40]

gardengnome:

Fony_Vaio: why not? mine is like 17 years old and can do RGB

[22:35:58]

justinh:

saying that mine only has a paltry ONE RGB input

[22:36:01]

Fony_Vaio:

it has two start inputs, and the second is listed as AV2S (assuming for SVIDEO)

[22:36:02]

gardengnome:

i was surprised, though

[22:36:10]

Fony_Vaio:

so i'm using an svideo -> scart cable

[22:36:12]

justinh:

AV1 will prolly accept RGB

[22:36:18]

Fony_Vaio:

hmm

[22:36:20]

gardengnome:

S-Video? wow. mine can't even do that

[22:36:26]

Fony_Vaio:

maybe that's the way to go

[22:36:45]

gardengnome:

Fony_Vaio: you'll still have to use a PAL modeline, though.

[22:36:56]

Fony_Vaio:

gardengnome, lol, maybe not then

[22:37:01]

justinh:

and it relies on the driver supporting interlaced modes

[22:37:21]

Fony_Vaio:

justinh, the driver says earlier that it supports interlacing

[22:37:31]

gardengnome:

i'm using it on an onboard sis device and it works fine. i'll have to get an AGP card, though :/

[22:37:37]

justinh:

stuff like that pingpongs in nvidia drivers

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gardengnome:

yep, thhingamajics in the binary blobbiness

[22:38:05]

Fony_Vaio:

justinh, i find that so strange.. why would they turn it on and off?

[22:38:12]

justinh:

no idea

[22:38:24]

justinh:

why is awesomeOS not awesome at all?

[22:38:34]

justinh:

why am I a c*** ?

[22:38:56]

justinh:

mysteries of the universe fella

[22:39:18]

Fony_Vaio:

it's a shame, i spent one night setting up three linux machines (server, frontend, and laptop) and didn't have any serious issues at all except for this, and it's pretty much the only thing i'm using that's non-open source

[22:39:20]

gardengnome:

Fony_Vaio: they tend to break it.

[22:39:40]

Fony_Vaio:

and this has taken me two days of head banging already

[22:39:43]

sanmarcos-trabaj:

timothyp, oh, now you post on the ivtv list, just read the fscking README already

[22:39:44]

gardengnome:

Fony_Vaio: have you searched the mailing lists yet?

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** justinh laughs **

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Fony_Vaio:

gardengnome, yes. they're lots of cryptic talk of 576i HDTV modes not supporting PAL and stuff, but i don't want HD, i just want PAL ffs.

[22:41:25]

gardengnome:

Fony_Vaio: i wish i knew more about that stuff as well. my life is easier with my cable now. i'll have to give it some good testing, though, to see if i'll be OK without deinterlacing

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justinh:

news channels with scrolly crawlers ;)

[22:42:39]

gardengnome:

justinh: heh. these are a bit jittery, but that probably stems from load issues.

[22:42:54]

gardengnome:

i might actually have to play with the pci latency on this machine. too bad it's getting replaced.

[22:43:21]

Fony_Vaio:

gardengnome, makes me think about just buying a big lcd panel... maybe i'm behind the times. heh

[22:44:04]

hjohnson:

heh

[22:44:18]

hjohnson:

i'm pondering what's worse.. pal or NTSC

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gardengnome:

Fony_Vaio: that's a lot of money, though. will it solve your problems?

[22:44:55]

gardengnome:

is there any point in display SDTV on a HDTV set?

[22:45:00]

justinh:

NTSC is worse. always

[22:45:08]

hjohnson:

gardengnome: sure, if you want to watch SD content.

[22:45:10]

justinh:

480 lines vs 576.. hmmm

[22:45:17]

hjohnson:

justinh: point.

[22:45:30]

justinh:

bad color vs great colour :)

[22:45:30]

hjohnson:

i'm thinking more the encoding scheme, but that's just the engineer in me.

[22:45:38]

gardengnome:

hjohnson: riight.. i was wondering if there was an improvement in picture quality

[22:45:51]

justinh:

PAL trounces NTSC

[22:45:54]

hjohnson:

gardengnome: don't think there'd be much.

[22:46:13]

justinh:

the only people who ever looked yellow or blue or green in PAL were people who were really those colours ;)

[22:46:17]

hjohnson:

NTSC does have a certain amount of elegance to it, in how it went about meeting the specs.

[22:46:19]

gardengnome:

hjohnson: thought so. unless you used some really expensive deinterlacers

[22:46:41]

hjohnson:

and crammed colour TV into 6MHz of spectrum

[22:46:56]

justinh:

hjohnson: yeah but PAL is 6Mhz too

[22:47:08]

hjohnson:

and maintained compatability with B&W sets

[22:47:13]

justinh:

so did PAL

[22:47:33]

hjohnson:

justinh: PAL also has a slightly lower field rate.

[22:47:38]

justinh:

NTSC came before PAL, which is why PAL ended up being better

[22:47:40]

hjohnson:

so you have a bit more spectrum to play with.

[22:47:52]

hjohnson:

pal is 50 fields/second, NTSC is roughly 60.

[22:48:05]

justinh:

59.9999999999999997 or so ;)

[22:48:33]

justinh:

anyway if it wasn't for us Brits you wouldn't even have telly, so there :-P

[22:48:56]

justinh:

though I've got to say thank fuck Baird's invention died an unglorious death

[22:49:01]

Fony_Vaio:

so anyway, PAL, NTSC or 1080p? :-P

[22:49:08]

hjohnson:

1080p. ;)

[22:49:13]

gardengnome:

Fony_Vaio: porn is porn, innit

[22:49:17]

Fony_Vaio:

lol

[22:49:18]

hjohnson:

not that there's much content out there worthy of 1080p

[22:49:30]

justinh:

time for bedville

[22:49:33]

justinh:

g/night

[22:49:34]

Fony_Vaio:

gardengnome, although i've heard that HD pr0n is somewhat dissapointing...

[22:49:44]

Fony_Vaio:

night justinh

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gardengnome:

Fony_Vaio: probably because you scan see the scars

[22:49:55]

gardengnome:

s/scan//

[22:50:34]

Fony_Vaio:

gardengnome, bleh, now i know why i prefer 'em natural. heh

[22:50:58]

hjohnson:

lol

[22:51:21]

gardengnome:

Fony_Vaio: true. good binoculars are way better than 1080p

[22:51:31]

hjohnson:

hahs

[22:51:36]

Fony_Vaio:

lol

[22:51:40]

hjohnson:

and a gf is even better than that.

[22:51:47]

Fony_Vaio:

indeed

[22:52:59]

Fony_Vaio:

although they have they're own quirks just like the nvidia binary driver... tempramental nature, not easily adjusted due to closed source nature, etc, etc :P

[22:53:27]

hjohnson:

eh, you just need one with a good drive.. er.. deriver.. uhm..

[22:53:33]

hjohnson:

;)

[22:53:52]

hjohnson:

(fond memories of this one spaniard)

[22:54:15]

Fony_Vaio:

hah

[22:54:38]

gardengnome:

;)

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gardengnome:

bed time, gnight

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Fony_Vaio:

night

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