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| [00:00:12] | defaultro: | yes, that's what I'm going to do with this new prospect |
| [00:00:23] | defaultro: | i have to make this flash website really nice |
| [00:00:29] | defaultro: | his request is really simple |
| [00:00:50] | defaultro: | hopefully, once he sees it on monday, he'll like it |
| [00:00:50] | astate: | is there a simple way to delete recorded program history, so when I set up a previously recorded program it doesn't skip recording the ones I've downloaded in the past but deleted? |
| [00:00:52] | justinh: | I know some flash wizards who make truly awful sites |
| [00:01:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [00:01:28] | justinh: | got a 1280x1024 display? we'll ignore that & just display a tiny rectangle in the middle of the screen |
| [00:01:57] | defaultro: | i built my first website for my house which I sold last year. I think the site doesn't really look bad at all. http://www.4290greenfieldlanehome.com |
| [00:02:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: 1280x1024? That's all? Mine's 1600x1050! ;-) |
| [00:03:49] | justinh: | ok put the epenises away.. |
| [00:04:03] | justinh: | defaultro: niiiiice house :) |
| [00:04:13] | defaultro: | thanks, I missed that house |
| [00:04:17] | defaultro: | i did a lot of work |
| [00:04:33] | justinh: | we could do with a photo of that HT room with a couple of people sitting on the couch watching mythtv, remote in hand |
| [00:04:40] | defaultro: | yes |
| [00:04:49] | defaultro: | it's actually mythtv playing that WTTW program |
| [00:05:19] | defaultro: | I couldn't remember if I have a picture though |
| [00:05:22] | defaultro: | let me see |
| [00:05:56] | defaultro: | yep, I see it |
| [00:07:03] | defaultro: | the virtual tour is also easy to make |
| [00:07:31] | justinh: | well, it'd be for the mythtv site, see |
| [00:07:45] | defaultro: | I just take a pic of my house in a tripod with 30% overlap. Then I use autostich to stich them making it a really wide picture like 3000x500 |
| [00:08:21] | defaultro: | then the java code is free I downloaded and it takes care of the panoramic jpeg file |
| [00:08:24] | jams: | justinh- what do you think? should I leavd the X config as is, and add a move advanced screen(any settings with the advanced would override the simple screen). Or just remove the simple screen and only use the advanced? |
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| [00:09:04] | justinh: | jams: I'd say the first option. keep it simple as poss but with the option of going advanced |
| [00:09:14] | jams: | thats what I was thinking as well |
| [00:09:29] | justinh: | everything else is mega-simple, so why not keep it that way? ;) |
| [00:10:03] | justinh: | let's see if radio paradise can help the creative juices flow |
| [00:10:17] | jams: | next thing todo is add a webpage to change the settings, or maybe even a ncurses screen |
| [00:11:29] | jams: | I could see people freaking out if they have uncheck "run the frontend" and then having no automated way to get back into X |
| [00:13:48] | justinh: | hahaha |
| [00:14:07] | justinh: | are you sure? are you sure you're sure? sure? ok... |
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| [00:23:59] | roam: | I'm trying to burn a DVD with mytharchive. I get the following error: AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'endswith' |
| [00:24:18] | roam: | How do I fix it? |
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| [00:32:34] | black_Nightmare: | hey |
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| [00:49:20] | justinh: | bah I give up with this – not getting anywhere, and slowly |
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| [01:09:11] | ** xris curses wood for being so heavy ** | |
| [01:10:37] | Milosch: | heh |
| [01:10:47] | xris: | anyone want free firewood? |
| [01:10:49] | xris: | heh |
| [01:10:53] | Milosch: | i guess balsa doesn't burn as nicely ;) |
| [01:11:25] | justinh: | xris: this project is starting to feel like school homework used to. I've got brick dust on my forehead |
| [01:11:42] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v jams | |
| [01:11:45] | xris: | justinh: website, or something else? |
| [01:12:17] | justinh: | website.. I just can't come up with anything that works beyond the mockups you've seen already |
| [01:12:33] | kslater: | xris – I'll take all the free wood you have |
| [01:12:42] | kslater: | having another face cord delivered tomorrow |
| [01:13:08] | xris: | kslater: you can have it if you come over to pick it up. :) |
| [01:13:30] | xris: | justinh: graphically, or html/css? |
| [01:14:10] | justinh: | graphically. I really can't do little icons |
| [01:14:22] | xris: | ahh |
| [01:14:30] | xris: | yeah, icons are difficult |
| [01:15:31] | justinh: | been looking around for inspiration – thought a white filled icon legend against the dark blue would work.. nope. and the ones I've seen loitering in 'free' galleries are too varied in style |
| [01:15:47] | xris: | ick |
| [01:16:54] | justinh: | loads of them are just wingdings on naff backgrounds anyway – hell even i can do that ;) |
| [01:17:58] | justinh: | I can do passable themes but I think this job is screaming out for a 'proper' designer. there must be one within the ranks somewhere |
| [01:19:16] | justinh: | I mean I'll keep chipping away a bit more – I dont give up too easily but my motivation is sagging now |
| [01:19:47] | jablk1: | i'm trying to rip a dvd with mythdvd |
| [01:19:47] | xris: | I've had people email me offereing their services.. I write back and never get a reply. |
| [01:19:58] | jablk1: | i can play the dvd with mythdvd |
| [01:20:13] | jablk1: | mythdvd > import displays the titles |
| [01:20:32] | jablk1: | but neither 'view' nor 'process selected title' do anything |
| [01:20:47] | jablk1: | they just blink yellow, but nothing happens |
| [01:20:53] | jablk1: | i checked mtd.log |
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| [01:23:22] | jablk1: | http://pastebin.ca/349783 |
| [01:23:43] | jablk1: | any ideas? |
| [01:26:01] | justinh: | xris: that sucks :( maybe I'll break the barrier soon |
| [01:26:21] | xris: | :)( |
| [01:26:24] | xris: | :(, that is... |
| [01:26:26] | xris: | take a break. |
| [01:26:35] | xris: | it's not like I'm not overwhelmed with other stuff, too |
| [01:30:25] | justinh: | yeah I think a whole 24 hours away from my pc might help some |
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| [01:31:22] | justinh: | time for bed methinks. g'night |
| [01:31:26] | xris: | sleep well |
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| [01:33:46] | mcquaid: | i run my backend and front on the same box, and recently I had a need to change the ip of this box (which I've done before without issue). But something happened this time that brought down mysql |
| [01:34:13] | mcquaid: | if i try to run mysqld i get:Can't start server: Bind on TCP/IP port: Cannot assign requested address |
| [01:34:16] | tank-man: | go in mythtv-setup and change the ip |
| [01:34:29] | tank-man: | oh |
| [01:34:34] | mcquaid: | yes, i've done that, i even tried going back to localhost but it's not working |
| [01:34:43] | mcquaid: | the mysql database isn't running |
| [01:34:53] | tank-man: | so run it |
| [01:35:08] | mcquaid: | and when i do I get the above quoted error |
| [01:35:23] | mcquaid: | followed by: Do you already have another mysqld server running on port: 3306 ? |
| [01:35:31] | mcquaid: | which i don't have another one running |
| [01:35:51] | mcquaid: | so I'm not sure what went wrong, but I'm looking for a little help to get mysql running again |
| [01:36:06] | snerfu: | do you have a stuck pid file for mysqld maybe? |
| [01:36:25] | mcquaid: | maybe, how would I determine that? I looked in /tmp |
| [01:37:00] | snerfu: | look in /var/run |
| [01:38:29] | mcquaid: | no i don't see anything there regarding mysql |
| [01:38:40] | mcquaid: | there is a mysqld dir, but it's empty |
| [01:40:13] | snerfu: | do you have a loopback interface up? |
| [01:41:12] | mcquaid: | yes |
| [01:41:44] | mcquaid: | i just tried /etc/init.d/mysql restart and got: |
| [01:42:00] | mcquaid: | Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' |
| [01:42:06] | mcquaid: | Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists! |
| [01:42:30] | snerfu: | hmm |
| [01:43:05] | snerfu: | you might also check /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
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| [01:44:54] | mcquaid: | and i think that was it thank you snerfu |
| [01:45:01] | mcquaid: | the old ip address was listed in there |
| [01:45:14] | snerfu: | No problem. |
| [01:48:16] | mcquaid: | cool. i didn't like that, being without myth for 2 days |
| [01:48:18] | mcquaid: | thx again |
| [01:55:10] | jablk1: | how can i get more debuggin info from the mydvd import interface? |
| [01:55:29] | jablk1: | selecting 'view' or pressing 0 for 'process selected title' have no effect |
| [01:55:44] | jablk1: | but the import interface lists available titles |
| [01:55:55] | xris: | "-v all" usually works on the commandline |
| [01:55:59] | jablk1: | and the dvd plays from mythdvd > play dvd |
| [01:56:15] | jablk1: | xris: for the frontend? |
| [01:56:22] | jablk1: | "mythtv -v all" |
| [01:56:25] | McQuaid: | hmm, might have spoke too soon, mysql and mythbackend are up and running again but the frontend won't launch |
| [01:56:42] | McQuaid: | just sits at New DB connection, total: 1 |
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| [01:57:21] | xris: | jablk1: more like for mythvideo, actually |
| [01:57:33] | xris: | but you could try it from mythfrontend.. I don't know if it'll pass the parameter along to mythvideo or not |
| [01:59:50] | McQuaid: | the frontend will launch as root but no longer as mythtv user |
| [02:05:06] | snerfu: | did you change the mythsetup back to normal? |
| [02:05:21] | snerfu: | after you changed its ip to localhost |
| [02:07:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | Anyone know if the upnp stuff only works with video? I'm trying a Linksys Media Link out, and it sees the "Recordings" and "Music" directories, but it's only a music player, so it can't play the 'recordings', and nothing shows up in the 'Music' listings... |
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| [02:18:34] | xris: | J-e-f-f-A: the upnp stuff is only on the backend, and the backend doesn't know anything about music or videos.. just tv. |
| [02:23:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | xris: Well, when I connect it presents "Recordings" or "Music" – Recordings is the Myth recordings – and Music is presumably the music, but it just says 'empty'... :-( |
| [02:23:58] | xris: | dunno. |
| [02:24:06] | xris: | could just be something built into the device. |
| [02:24:14] | xris: | or maybe cdev added framework for music. |
| [02:24:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | thanks... I don't think my Buffalo LinkTheatre could see the music either. |
| [02:24:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | Perhaps he doesn't read the directory setting from myth? |
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| [02:27:01] | xris: | what directory setting? |
| [02:27:06] | xris: | the backend doesn't know anything about music. |
| [02:27:13] | xris: | the plugins are frontend-only for now. |
| [02:27:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | Oh... Humm.... |
| [02:27:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | What's the default directory for music? |
| [02:27:54] | xris: | I don't know if there IS one |
| [02:29:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | Well, there's one in the frontend 'media' setup... I think it's /var/music or something... I'll have to look that up. My LVM is mounted on /MythLVM and I've got my music in /MythLVM/music — I'll probably just have to create a symbolic link for the 'default' location to /MythLVM/music ... |
| [02:30:10] | ** arnducky trembling, loads just[censored]googleit.com... ** | |
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| [02:31:55] | ** J-e-f-f-A looks like it may be /var/mythtv/music ... ** | |
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| [02:36:15] | arnducky: | <-- MythNewbie |
| [02:37:39] | arnducky: | Is that /TOPIC supposed to encourage 'N00bs' to read the entire WIki before asking any 'st00pid' Q's? |
| [02:38:01] | xris: | arnducky: documentation, specifically (which is not the wiki) |
| [02:38:15] | xris: | but also to google your error messages before asking things here. |
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| [02:44:42] | ** J-e-f-f-A humph... maybe I'd have better luck at looking at the code... googling is turning up way too many irrelevant hits... :-( ** | |
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| [02:52:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | xris: Looks like he's doing selects from musicmetada... strange that it would show music files in the frontend, but not on the upnp music player... :-( More digging... |
| [02:52:38] | briand: | if you put quote marks (") around the error phrase, it'll google the phrase, rather than the individual words... |
| [02:52:58] | xris: | J-e-f-f-A: frontend doesn't use upnp. nor can the backend send music files (that I know of) |
| [02:53:09] | arnducky: | xris if you want to be pedantic, let me clarify my useage of the term 'wiki' for you (Dict: wiki). I meant in the general sense of wisodm, not a specific website. (ANd I think your response is suggestive of an answer to myn questio) Hahaha. |
| [02:53:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | briand, I'm not getting an error per-se, I'm trying to use a upnp music player on .20 and it's not showing my music. Just trying to figure out where the disconnect is... |
| [02:54:03] | xris: | arnducky: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki |
| [02:54:06] | xris: | that's what I meant |
| [02:54:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | xris: Yeah, I know that the frontend doesn't use upnp. |
| [02:54:44] | GreyFoxx: | J-e-f-f-A: I don't think music will work with 0.20 |
| [02:54:48] | arnducky: | 'whatever' |
| [02:54:50] | xris: | arnducky: but if you have questions, we don't mind people asking. We just prefer that people try to at least do SOME of the work themselves before coming here. |
| [02:54:50] | arnducky: | lol |
| [02:55:05] | arnducky: | Ah nice. |
| [02:55:10] | xris: | it gets annoying having to answer the same questions 1000 times/day. |
| [02:55:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | xris: I was saying that looking at the upnp code for music support, it's doing selects from the musicmetadata table, just like the frontend would, I assume... |
| [02:55:52] | xris: | J-e-f-f-A: that's actually pretty cool. could just be broken. I know that people have been mucking with the mythmusic tables lately (myself included in that, indirectly) |
| [02:55:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | GreyFoxx, Yeah? So is it a new feature that CDev started to introduce that's not 100% functional yet? |
| [02:55:59] | arnducky: | xris: in #ubuntu we have bots for that, and we also try to encourage rather than inmidate |
| [02:56:11] | GreyFoxx: | J-e-f-f-A: No, the music stuff was moved into seperate tables before 0.20 came out and the upnp stuff wasn't updated to use it |
| [02:56:15] | arnducky: | +ti |
| [02:56:27] | xris: | arnducky: our bot author has taken an extended vacation from coding to be married. :) |
| [02:56:38] | arnducky: | Mazeltov! |
| [02:56:52] | GreyFoxx: | Anyone using an older version of myth with the musicmetadata table filled in would work |
| [02:56:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | GreyFoxx, Oh, well, that would explain why it doesn't show anything then... Humph... |
| [02:56:54] | bleech: | hi |
| [02:56:54] | arnducky: | our bots are accessible by anyone though |
| [02:57:07] | arnducky: | (for new entries) |
| [02:57:10] | GreyFoxx: | It was patched in SVN a month or so ago |
| [02:57:16] | bleech: | does anyone use the "network remote control interface" feature? i can't find any documentation on it |
| [02:57:22] | xris: | arnducky: right. but our bot doesn't have the capabilities yet... hence needing the author to add it. |
| [02:57:34] | arnducky: | Maybe when s/he gets back |
| [02:57:37] | arnducky: | =) |
| [02:57:39] | xris: | bleech: there are a couple of patches against mythweb in trac.. could look at those for ideas. |
| [02:58:18] | ** J-e-f-f-A needs to think about the possibility of switching to the SVN myth.... ** | |
| [02:58:38] | arnducky: | xris: I'm going to paste some console output from dpkg that seems to indicate an installer bug — go ahead and look at if you like |
| [02:58:45] | xris: | arnducky: he's around. just too busy to do much. Getting married, moving from a country to a different non-country (puerto rico isn't in a country), etc. just takes up a lot of his time. |
| [02:58:45] | bleech: | can i used it to control a mythfrontend on a different machine than what lircd is running on |
| [02:58:54] | xris: | arnducky: does it have to do with mysql? |
| [02:59:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | GreyFoxx, Would it be a big 'leap' for me to go to SVN from Yum installs? And is it stable enough for a somewhat-newbie to linux? |
| [02:59:01] | arnducky: | pastebin |
| [02:59:05] | arnducky: | yep |
| [02:59:20] | arnducky: | that the top of your site today was |
| [02:59:36] | arnducky: | none of them would load — Gnome seems *#&%^ed RN |
| [02:59:37] | xris: | arnducky: if it's the one I'm thinking of, it's a packager bug.. since mythtv doesn't actually have an installer. |
| [02:59:47] | xris: | bleech: theoretically, sure. |
| [02:59:56] | xris: | it's just telnet. you could script something to send signals, etc. |
| [03:00:08] | bleech: | oh |
| [03:00:09] | arnducky: | probably should CTRL-Alt BKspc or even reboot |
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| [03:00:24] | bleech: | would it be easier to just use lircd on both machines? doesnt lircd have network suport |
| [03:01:10] | xris: | bleech: no clue |
| [03:04:33] | K|NgGh0sT: | ooo that reminds me, I should get my lirc working |
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| [03:07:24] | arnducky: | hmmm I just got a chanserv msg with different sites than the topic |
| [03:10:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | GreyFoxx, Yeah, the musicmedata is empty... |
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| [03:20:38] | ** J-e-f-f-A crosses his fingers as he gets ready to switch to the SVN version of myth... ** | |
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| [03:55:51] | Milosch: | yawn |
| [03:57:57] | devtrash: | does anyone use mythtv with a cable box? |
| [03:59:24] | Milosch: | many do |
| [04:00:15] | devtrash: | I have a basic question then, simple really. Once I get an IR blaster set up, will my recordings be labelled correctly? |
| [04:00:51] | Milosch: | they should be |
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| [04:01:29] | jams: | devtrash- that would be depeneded on the guide data you use |
| [04:01:37] | Milosch: | depends on the listing service you use more than the fact that it's a cable box... |
| [04:02:08] | devtrash: | I'm just trying to wrap my head around how it works. I have the cable OUT from the box going to the cable IN of my PVR 350. the 350 has to be tuned to channel 3. |
| [04:02:17] | Milosch: | eww |
| [04:02:23] | Milosch: | no svideo? |
| [04:02:23] | devtrash: | I use DataDirect from Tribune Media |
| [04:02:57] | devtrash: | I have composite out from the box, would that be easier to use? |
| [04:03:00] | Milosch: | svideo would be a lot better, in fact, running on ch3 there might not be so wonderful |
| [04:03:08] | Milosch: | composite is acceptable |
| [04:04:00] | Milosch: | even if it did workout that way, it would suck ;) |
| [04:04:06] | devtrash: | Okay. So I use composite, and I put in the settings that an external command changes channels |
| [04:04:14] | Milosch: | right |
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| [04:04:56] | devtrash: | and mythtv then handles it so that I can schedule recordings and they'll be labelled right |
| [04:04:59] | Milosch: | look again, i bet you have svideo too |
| [04:05:04] | Milosch: | yep |
| [04:05:19] | ibb: | i got an idea that i would like to dedicate a system to mythtv satelite recording, unfurtunately there are about 19000 channels worldwide, i need to build the system around that what would you all recomend for the tv cards and ability to use the system as a cable box server |
| [04:05:38] | devtrash: | well I have composite out from the cable box and I use the convertor that came with the PVR 350 to switch to svid |
| [04:05:53] | Milosch: | convertor? |
| [04:06:15] | xris: | ibb: you can't see all of those satellites at the same time. and they don't all use the same kind of frequencies. |
| [04:06:16] | ibb: | coax to s-vid |
| [04:06:22] | devtrash: | yeah, one end is composite IN, the other is Svid |
| [04:06:32] | Milosch: | composite is an rca connection, svideo would be the 4 pin connector |
| [04:06:39] | xris: | you need to figure out which kind of satellites you want to connect to, and then pick the appropriate type of card to receive the signal. |
| [04:06:41] | devtrash: | correct |
| [04:06:44] | Milosch: | er |
| [04:07:04] | Milosch: | i didn't get any kind of convertor with mine |
| [04:07:21] | devtrash: | my PVR 350 came with an adaptor plug in composite then plug that into the Svid input of the card |
| [04:07:22] | Milosch: | i think you have an adapter cable for the outputs |
| [04:07:24] | xris: | ibb: sounds like you'd also have to deal with rebroadcast/redistribution rights, if I'm understanding you correctly, too. |
| [04:07:32] | ibb: | xris: that is true but no box can do it either but that is not the dificult part, i nee that card to interact with the dish as if being a box |
| [04:08:02] | xris: | ibb: yeah. but until you decide what KIND of satellite you're connecting to, it's hard to help you. |
| [04:08:07] | Milosch: | my 350 came with a cable for the AV out, the input is on the backplane |
| [04:08:09] | xris: | generally speaking, it's DVB, though. |
| [04:08:21] | ibb: | right so then its known |
| [04:08:48] | xris: | and from your IP, it looks like you're in the US... so you have about 25 unencrypted channels to deal with unless you want to get a 2m dish. |
| [04:08:51] | ibb: | i just am asking about what card should i use for the system |
| [04:09:00] | ** devtrash smacks his head for not getting the OVR 500 ** | |
| [04:09:05] | devtrash: | er PVR |
| [04:09:27] | Milosch: | devtrash: people rag on the 350, but the output for watching tv is excellent, imo |
| [04:09:44] | ibb: | i already got the ati hdtv card but that is not supported by linux and it does not work great |
| [04:09:48] | devtrash: | Milosch: I saw the backplane inputs. |
| [04:10:01] | Milosch: | i bought one, then got a 500, now use the 350 in the bedroom on an old celeron |
| [04:10:02] | xris: | ibb: it's not as simple as just picking a card. you need to pick the kind of card that will work with your dish, lnb, diseqc switch and (optional) rotor. |
| [04:10:12] | xris: | and with your subscription service. |
| [04:10:17] | devtrash: | Milosch: Well I thought I'd never have a recording conflict and I do. So the dual tuner would be handy now |
| [04:10:34] | Milosch: | devtrash: oh yeah |
| [04:10:54] | ibb: | xris: what if i have a box and simply want to connect the computer to the box, then that would make it easier right? |
| [04:10:59] | Milosch: | i'd like to add another 500, but realistically, i'll get a dvb card of some kind instead |
| [04:11:29] | xris: | ibb: yeah. then any analog card will work.. pvr-150 is the preferred |
| [04:11:41] | xris: | and you'd need an IR blaster to control the box. |
| [04:11:54] | ibb: | IR blaster, what is that? |
| [04:12:01] | devtrash: | So if I were to get another card should I get a 350 or a 500? |
| [04:12:13] | xris: | IR transmitter... mythbox pretends to be a remote control. |
| [04:12:29] | devtrash: | Packard Bell remote for example |
| [04:12:47] | xris: | devtrash: 350 is obselete and not really even supported in mythtv anymore. |
| [04:13:00] | ibb: | xris: then there is another problem, i want to make this a pvr server sort of thing |
| [04:13:21] | xris: | ibb: that's how mythtv works, anyway. |
| [04:13:24] | ibb: | so each tv would have to be a client to the server |
| [04:13:32] | devtrash: | xris: I've seen the ivtv discussion about it, but it's worked perfectly for me. |
| [04:13:36] | xris: | ibb: separate frontend on each tv.. works fine. |
| [04:13:47] | xris: | devtrash: you using the output? |
| [04:13:57] | devtrash: | xris: yep |
| [04:14:08] | xris: | would you use the ADDITIONAL output? |
| [04:14:31] | devtrash: | Do I have a need for it? no. |
| [04:15:31] | xris: | devtrash: so why pay $75 or so more for something you wouldn't use? |
| [04:16:27] | onewheelskyward: | I would do that just so I can say I have it. |
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| [04:17:03] | tcpsyn: | Hrm. I just upgraded my second video card.. and now when I try to start a recording, myth segfaults... |
| [04:17:16] | tcpsyn: | I can't really find anything in the logs to tell me why |
| [04:17:18] | tcpsyn: | any ideas? |
| [04:17:33] | onewheelskyward: | What do you mean by upgraded? |
| [04:17:56] | devtrash: | xris true |
| [04:17:57] | tcpsyn: | I went from an old 16 meg TNT2 to a 256M GeForce 5500 |
| [04:18:17] | devtrash: | PVR 500 is that encode/decode? |
| [04:18:35] | tcpsyn: | which means I'm also using the nvidia driver on that card instead of the nv driver I was using before. |
| [04:18:51] | tcpsyn: | But mythfrontend crashes regardless of what session I start it on. |
| [04:19:15] | tcpsyn: | But not until I actually try to play a video. |
| [04:19:29] | tcpsyn: | other mpg videos play fine on both cards. |
| [04:19:35] | xris: | devtrash: 500 is 2 x encoders |
| [04:19:51] | xris: | devtrash: besides.. nvidia tv-out is far better than the pvr-350, anyway. |
| [04:20:37] | devtrash: | xris: I do have an NVIDIA card with TV out |
| [04:20:58] | devtrash: | The box I have was a used thing a friend had. |
| [04:21:04] | devtrash: | free is always fun |
| [04:21:53] | devtrash: | Okay this might not be on topic. But has anyone gotten the radion tuner to work on a PVR 350? All I get out of mine is static. |
| [04:22:38] | Milosch: | devtrash: i have, i think |
| [04:22:45] | Milosch: | not sure now which card it was |
| [04:22:52] | xris: | devtrash: then why did you say you used the pvr-350's tv out? |
| [04:23:34] | Milosch: | xris: the 350 looks a LOT better than my crappy builtin nvidia anyway, i need to get a real card |
| [04:23:40] | devtrash: | xris: I went with the install instructions |
| [04:23:54] | devtrash: | xris I use the PVR tv out |
| [04:23:57] | xris: | Milosch: depending on the chipset, yes. |
| [04:24:07] | Milosch: | the nvidia almost looks double-terminated |
| [04:24:29] | xris: | devtrash: gotcha. just confused when you said that you also had nvidia + tvout |
| [04:24:47] | xris: | anyway, personally, I don't go out of my way to buy expensive discontinued hardware. |
| [04:24:55] | ibb: | what about the nvidia dualTV MCE, is that a good card i could use as being supported |
| [04:25:13] | devtrash: | hmmm, I wish I had known the 350 was being phased out. |
| [04:25:50] | Milosch: | all analog cards are obsolete anyway ;) |
| [04:26:14] | devtrash: | well yeah |
| [04:26:16] | xris: | devtrash: they discontinued it over a year ago |
| [04:26:21] | devtrash: | but I don't have a HDTV |
| [04:26:24] | ibb: | so what is a great hdtv card? |
| [04:26:35] | devtrash: | I should get the pcHDTV |
| [04:26:38] | devtrash: | card |
| [04:26:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | It's the 350's output support that's getting phased out, right? It's still a great tuner, right? |
| [04:26:55] | mchou: | xris: what got discontinued a year ago? |
| [04:26:59] | devtrash: | pcHDTV: no brodcast bit |
| [04:27:13] | ibb: | devtrash: doesnt that require the sound out to be connected to mic? |
| [04:27:29] | mchou: | yeah, at this rate there is little point getting an analog card...... |
| [04:27:38] | xris: | ibb: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_devices |
| [04:27:47] | devtrash: | ibb: which? my setup? |
| [04:27:56] | xris: | mchou: the pvr-350.. same time the 250 did |
| [04:28:08] | ibb: | devtrash: yes |
| [04:28:17] | mchou: | xris: heh, thought that was way over a year :) |
| [04:28:29] | xris: | mchou: just being generous. :) |
| [04:28:39] | devtrash: | ibb: I use the output cable that came with the PVR 350. Video to my TV audio to my stereo |
| [04:29:29] | devtrash: | I wonder if I should wipe the Knoppmyth install and go with say an Gentoo build |
| [04:29:34] | mchou: | bah, why ppl even bother with analog these days is beyond me |
| [04:29:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | devtrash, So I'm confused-- are you using the 350's video output or the nvidia's video output? |
| [04:29:47] | tcpsyn: | devtrash, gentoo is a pain in the balls. |
| [04:29:52] | xris: | mchou: some of us still don't have digital TVs |
| [04:29:55] | Milosch: | economics |
| [04:30:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou, Because here in the US there's still only a small percentage availble in digital and/or HD... |
| [04:30:11] | ibb: | devtrash: i thought u said u have a pchdtv card though, but i guess u have a pvr 350, i was asking about the pcHDTV card of its audio connection |
| [04:30:16] | mchou: | xris: you dont need digital tv to enjoy digital programming :) |
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| [04:30:32] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: like? |
| [04:30:54] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: it's either digital broadcast or available on DVDs :) |
| [04:31:03] | xris: | ibb: all hdtv signals are digital. there is no separate audio or video. it's just an mpeg2 stream. |
| [04:31:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: I can only get about 30 digital channels. I get another 150+ on my dish... |
| [04:31:31] | xris: | the "separate audio" issue would be with the framegrabber aspect on it for analog channels.. but the quality of the analog signals on those is subpar. |
| [04:31:32] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: dude, you arent listening. get the DVDs then |
| [04:31:35] | ibb: | xris: no, i am only talking about the audio connection to hear from the card |
| [04:31:58] | xris: | ibb: it's an input card, not output |
| [04:31:58] | Milosch: | dude! |
| [04:32:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: They don't have DVD's of much stuff I watch yet.... ;-) |
| [04:32:18] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: what stuff do you watch? |
| [04:32:30] | ibb: | xris: its inputing video and audio throught the pci connection? |
| [04:32:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: Season 6 of 24?!? ;-) (Although, I do get that in HD via ATSC OTA...) |
| [04:32:57] | xris: | ibb: no, it's inputting an mpeg2 file through pci (or pcie or usb or whatever) |
| [04:33:10] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: I get 24 digitally |
| [04:33:24] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: that's the least of my worries |
| [04:34:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou, I like alot of programs on Discovery, and TLC and The Science channel... can't get them in HD in the Boston area atm... (not 'in the clear'...) |
| [04:34:28] | mchou: | I get DiscoveryHD in the clear |
| [04:34:46] | mchou: | and all discovery proggies are available on DVD |
| [04:34:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: But are you in Boston? |
| [04:34:57] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: nope |
| [04:35:25] | mchou: | no need to freeze my ass off in Boston |
| [04:35:38] | mchou: | used to live and study in Cambridge |
| [04:36:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: I'm reminded of the simpsons quote... something like "Yep, 300 sattelite channels — all locked!"... That's what I feel like with the HD cable choices out here... nearly everything is 5c encrypted... |
| [04:36:59] | mchou: | yet another reason to get the MIT guys cracking :) |
| [04:37:25] | ** J-e-f-f-A would love to see a 'solution' to the 5c issue... ** | |
| [04:38:12] | mchou: | iv 24 happened in Boston, Boston would be so dead...... |
| [04:38:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: It's 17 degrees F here now... It's gonna hit 31 tomorrow! yahoo! |
| [04:38:24] | mchou: | incompetent cops |
| [04:38:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou, Yeah, no $hit... |
| [04:38:48] | devtrash: | I am not using the nvidia out no |
| [04:39:24] | devtrash: | sorry I was disconnected |
| [04:46:30] | devtrash: | Does anyone know if a X10 learning remote is a ir transceiver as well? |
| [04:47:10] | xris: | devtrash: by "learning" it's generally assumed that there is a receiver circuit.. |
| [04:48:03] | devtrash: | tis what I thought. |
| [04:48:38] | devtrash: | So I wonder if I can use it as an IR blaster |
| [04:52:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | devtrash, What do you mean by using it as an IR blaster? |
| [04:52:40] | xris: | devtrash: how is that different than any other universal remote? |
| [04:54:12] | devtrash: | Okay let me explain my setup. I have the PVR 350 remote ir receiver, and I have a digital cable box with a remote. I also have an X10 learning remote. |
| [04:55:29] | arnducky: | devtrash: how could it 'learn' w/o a tranciever (no idea — just askin outta pure puerile curiousity) |
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| [04:55:41] | devtrash: | I need a transmitter for the PVR 350 PC |
| [04:56:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | devtrash, You'd be much better off just building a simple serial blaster using an IR LED, a resistor and a diode... As documented on the lirc site, and a little clearer for the electronically-challenged in my drawing: http://jartz.homeip.net:8008/files/ir_blaster.jpg |
| [04:57:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | devtrash, to do what? |
| [04:58:01] | devtrash: | if I use the PVR 350 remote to change the channel, the PC has to somehow get the signal to the cable box |
| [04:58:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | devtrash: So do you have a backend system with the cable box on it, and a remote frontend with a PVR-350 that you're using only for the TV OUT functionality? |
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| [04:59:40] | devtrash: | I have one PC which has a frontend and a backend. |
| [05:01:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | devtrash: Ok, and no remote frontends? So you've got a combined frontend/backend system, with a PVR-350 that you're using for recording, and the output of the PVR-350 to your TV. How's your cable box hooked up to your PVR-350, svideo & analog audio? |
| [05:02:09] | devtrash: | Yes svid and analog audio |
| [05:02:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | devtrash: Ok. The Backend should have full control of the cable box via an IR blaster. You'll need to 'hide' the cable remote(s). |
| [05:03:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | devtrash: Then you would watch 'live TV' or schedule recordings on Myth. |
| [05:03:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | devtrash: When you change channels on myth in "LiveTV", it basically 'forwards' the correct IR signals to the cable box to change the channel. |
| [05:03:51] | devtrash: | ok |
| [05:04:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | devtrash: So 'step 1' is to get lirc working with an ir blaster to control your cable box. You'd then use your keyboard to control Myth. |
| [05:04:32] | devtrash: | the remote receiver that comes with the PVR 350 is just a reciever correct? |
| [05:04:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | devtrash: Yes. |
| [05:05:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | devtrash: Have you done any soldering at all? |
| [05:05:12] | devtrash: | heh, no |
| [05:05:28] | hads: | irblaster.info |
| [05:05:44] | devtrash: | I saw that site |
| [05:05:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | devtrash: Got any friends that have, and would build this simple blaster for you — if not, you'll have to buy one – like hads suggested... |
| [05:06:16] | hads: | Theyre pretty cheap really, and tidy. |
| [05:06:18] | devtrash: | is the Packbard Bell remote from years back, a transceiver? I have one of those in storage |
| [05:06:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | devtrash: Here's a simple serial blaster using an IR LED, a resistor and a diode... As documented on the lirc site, and a little clearer for the electronically-challenged in my drawing: http://jartz.homeip.net:8008/files/ir_blaster.jpg |
| [05:07:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | devtrash: Who knows... Dig it out and see if it's listed on the lirc.org site as being supported... (Not likely IMHO) |
| [05:07:47] | devtrash: | lirc.org says it supports it |
| [05:07:55] | devtrash: | they call it a receiver though |
| [05:08:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | devtrash: Then it's only a receiver, and not a 'blaster'... |
| [05:08:23] | devtrash: | yeah |
| [05:09:20] | devtrash: | I also bought a bunch of X10 crap back in the day. I wish I was going to the storage place sooner than 3 weeks |
| [05:09:33] | devtrash: | I knew I shouldn't have gone to digital cable |
| [05:09:52] | tank-man: | why? drm? |
| [05:10:17] | devtrash: | no, no recording til I get a blaster |
| [05:10:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | X10 is great... 2/3 of my house is X10... (More of it would be, but flourescent lights don't work with dimmers! ;-) |
| [05:10:42] | devtrash: | I had the mythtv working great when I had just plain cable |
| [05:11:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | devtrash: What's your cable box — does it have a serial port or firewire port on the back? |
| [05:11:35] | devtrash: | I have a Video anywhere unit. a serial port transceiver, 2 Remotes |
| [05:11:37] | K|NgGh0sT: | How is the new myth with dvb? |
| [05:12:00] | devtrash: | they gave me the crappy box. a Sci America 2200 |
| [05:12:29] | devtrash: | it has a ir port 1/8in stereo jack type |
| [05:13:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | devtrash: That's usually for an IR blaster to control a VCR — ie start recording, stop recording... |
| [05:14:30] | devtrash: | Yeah. the cable guy didn't explain it |
| [05:18:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | devtrash: Hey, do you have a USB pc keyboard... I wonder if it could be used to change the channels on the receiver... |
| [05:18:42] | devtrash: | yeah i can do the manual thing but a lot of my shows are on at 4am |
| [05:18:53] | arnducky: | Chris Petersen <-- Chi(X)ris ahah! |
| [05:19:08] | devtrash: | I do have a usb keyboard that came with my playstation 2 |
| [05:19:15] | arnducky: | finally got to look at the website |
| [05:19:30] | arnducky: | xris: kudos to you for volunteer hosting |
| [05:19:51] | arnducky: | volunteerism makes the FOSS world spin |
| [05:19:51] | xris: | arnducky: huh? |
| [05:19:57] | xris: | volunteer hosting? |
| [05:20:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | devtrash: But you may be able to schedule the program to 'record' on a 'vcr' with the cable box itself (so it would tune to channel 83, and send the 'record' signal to the VCR, which isn't there...) and set myth to record the program at the same time. |
| [05:21:01] | arnducky: | errr — web-mastering |
| [05:21:11] | devtrash: | hmmmmm I wonder if the box has the capability |
| [05:21:18] | arnducky: | re: ".... I'll let Chris Petersen (aka xris, aka the MythWeb guy) explain more:" |
| [05:21:37] | xris: | arnducky: I'm not in charge of the servers |
| [05:21:41] | xris: | I just got the server donated. |
| [05:21:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | devtrash: I was wondering if the USB port supported channel-changing with a standard PC USB keyboard, there's a possibility of creating a 'box' that would interface between the PC's serial port and the box's USB port, emulating a keyboard... |
| [05:21:52] | xris: | MythWeb is part of MythTV... web interface. I write that part. |
| [05:22:28] | arnducky: | FreeCoder (-c)(-tm) too, huh |
| [05:22:44] | devtrash: | (who writes mythweather) |
| [05:23:12] | devtrash: | USB on the cable box? |
| [05:23:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | devtrash: It's part of mythweb. The data comes from MSN (iirc), and sometimes they return the wrong data though... |
| [05:23:33] | xris: | devtrash: no one does at the moment. |
| [05:23:36] | arnducky: | I thought you guys hung out in #mythtv (developers only please) |
| [05:23:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | devtrash: Yeah, does yours have a usb port on the front? |
| [05:24:08] | devtrash: | sometimes, they do, is an understatment :) |
| [05:24:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | arnducky: Many of them hang out in both channels... There's no law against that!!! ;-) |
| [05:24:32] | devtrash: | let me check j-e-f-f-a |
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| [05:29:36] | ** xris curses sqlite and php (mostly php) ** | |
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| [05:30:08] | arnducky: | (and continues to wait for a virtually-engraved invitation to ask something for the 1001th time) |
| [05:30:26] | devtrash: | damn it DOES have a USB port |
| [05:30:26] | devtrash: | I missed it before |
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| [05:30:39] | arnducky: | holy /part status msgs BatHuman! |
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| [05:31:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | devtrash: What I'm curious to see is if you plug in a standard USB keyboard — do the numbers work to change channels? |
| [05:31:06] | arnducky: | Freenode is not supposed to get n00ked! |
| [05:31:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | arnducky: where were you 2 minutes ago? ;-) |
| [05:32:28] | devtrash: | hold on a second :) |
| [05:32:43] | devtrash: | I keep losing my connection |
| [05:33:08] | xris: | arnducky: that'd be a netsplit |
| [05:33:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | xris: What's this talk of changing from php to perl?!? I'm just starting to get into PHP now! ;-) |
| [05:34:04] | quink: | yay splits. |
| [05:34:10] | xris: | J-e-f-f-A: idle threats |
| [05:34:25] | xris: | I'm more interested in coding it all into the backend.. and that won't happen, either. |
| [05:35:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | xris: So basically — I learned tonight that the backend just does the scheduling, recording and streaming of video. All the other stuff is 'frontend' functionality via plugins? |
| [05:36:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | xris: By 'all the other stuff', I mean music playback, DVD playback, weather, etc... |
| [05:38:35] | ** J-e-f-f-A learns more about the architecture every day... ;-) ** | |
| [05:38:44] | devtrash: | J-e-f-f-a no go on the USB keyboard |
| [05:39:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | devtrash: Bummer... |
| [05:39:13] | devtrash: | I know |
| [05:39:27] | devtrash: | why put hardware on box and never use it |
| [05:40:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | devtrash: The manufacturer puts it there — your cable company decided not to implement it... |
| [05:40:46] | devtrash: | yeah |
| [05:41:14] | devtrash: | I should email them to see if it can be 'turned' on. |
| [05:41:21] | ** devtrash doubts it though ** | |
| [05:42:09] | arnducky: | devtrash: uhhh... 'because you can'? 'because it's there (to be put)"? |
| [05:42:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | devtrash: Maybe you can upgrade to their HD box (usually a few bucks more a month), and control it via firewire. And if you're lucky, you can even grab the channels over firewire (if they're not encrypted) |
| [05:43:09] | arnducky: | <-- macromedia onboard laptop IGP =o/ |
| [05:43:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | arnducky: My theory is that if a USB keyboard works to change the channels (via the number keys) a little device could be built with a PIC chip to interface between the USB port on the box and the serial port on the backend... |
| [05:43:24] | arnducky: | errr I meant MacroVision |
| [05:43:25] | devtrash: | well I work for the cable company so it's almost all free. HD wouldn't be |
| [05:44:31] | arnducky: | J-e-f-f-A: flawless logic |
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| [05:45:14] | devtrash: | sVid is the pins right? composite is rca |
| [05:45:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | arnducky: I would call it 'flawless'... Just coming up with new ways of doing things... ;-) (I like to do that!) |
| [05:45:25] | arnducky: | so you need a serial control — dime-a-dozen component from the OEM PoV |
| [05:45:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | devtrash, yep. |
| [05:45:31] | arnducky: | +er |
| [05:46:32] | arnducky: | devtrash: s-video mostly uses a mini-din connector (similar to a P/S2 mouse) |
| [05:46:54] | ** J-e-f-f-A yikes, it's pretty late and I have to get up early... ttyl guys... ** | |
| [05:47:01] | devtrash: | okay duh that was what I was doing wrong earier today |
| [05:47:12] | arnducky: | it's symetrical and has 4 pins and a key block |
| [05:47:18] | devtrash: | yep |
| [05:47:37] | devtrash: | I was using in mythtv-setup, the wrong input this afternoon |
| [05:48:49] | arnducky: | A-I-W and Monster cards (and many other devices) use an assymetrical-8-pin round connector of the same size |
| [05:50:05] | arnducky: | composite/RCA and S-video are usually adapted with a dongle or 'brick' (older ATI cards) |
| [05:51:23] | arnducky: | And you can convert S-video (+ stereo plug) to RCA & back with a simple cable |
| [05:52:21] | ** arnducky wishes he could get MythTV setup to even run — probably a waste of time til I reinstall Linux ** | |
| [05:54:15] | devtrash: | Okay errors: COuld not get inputs for the capture card and above that, failed to find channel 1 |
| [05:54:49] | arnducky: | hmmm — does anyone have a link for an HCL site, article or thread? |
| [05:55:01] | arnducky: | (Hardware Compatibility List) |
| [05:55:11] | arnducky: | grep the changelog? |
| [05:55:46] | ** arnducky has a generic MontsterTV PC card ** | |
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| [05:57:08] | arnducky: | NTSC-M with FM Tuner, S-Video, Composite and (of course) coax RG-6 F-type input connectors and a USB wireless remote dongle |
| [05:57:28] | arnducky: | my laptop has S-video out |
| [05:57:49] | arnducky: | hardware tests okay under proprietary software and drivers in XP-MCE |
| [05:59:23] | snerfu: | Without LFE I am nothing, without me LFE is is still LFE. |
| [05:59:39] | snerfu: | wee i'm drunk. |
| [06:00:01] | devtrash: | okay I have a problem now |
| [06:00:36] | devtrash: | I stopped using Tuner1 as input and swicthed to Svideo1 but it tells me it can't change to channel 1. |
| [06:01:39] | arnducky: | Is there an HCL (hardware compatibility list) for Myth* ? |
| [06:02:25] | snerfu: | I thought I saw a HCL when I initially read the mythtv fedora guys site. |
| [06:02:33] | snerfu: | let me see if I can find it. |
| [06:04:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | http://wilsonet.com |
| [06:04:54] | xris: | arnducky: linuxtv.org has a lot |
| [06:05:20] | snerfu: | as far as tuners go is what you are looking for? |
| [06:05:39] | xris: | arnducky: generally, if it works in linux, mythtv can deal with it. |
| [06:07:15] | snerfu: | So I never had any audio equipment until today. I spent all day piecing together a receiver, a center channel and two floor standing front speakers. I am blown away about all the audio I was missing in yv. |
| [06:07:38] | snerfu: | I need to get a nice subwoofer next. |
| [06:07:51] | snerfu: | I have very little base, but the rest sounds awesome. |
| [06:07:52] | xris: | heh |
| [06:08:02] | snerfu: | err yv/tv |
| [06:08:08] | xris: | my setup has no midrange. nice bose setup for tv, but sucks for music. |
| [06:08:44] | snerfu: | hehe, i have all kinds of brands now. Polk audio, sony, infinity. |
| [06:09:13] | devtrash: | how can Svideo have a channel? |
| [06:09:37] | xris: | devtrash: it can't |
| [06:09:54] | xris: | well, not in the signal itself |
| [06:10:16] | devtrash: | well why is mythbackend looking for channel 1 |
| [06:10:53] | snerfu: | A long time ago I used svideo with mythtv. I don't even have a tv tuner now, its just a media center for audio and video |
| [06:11:29] | xris: | devtrash: backend generally needs to know what channel it's connected to |
| [06:11:49] | xris: | for svideo and such, you hook up a channel-changer script that connects to irblaster, etc. |
| [06:12:01] | xris: | snerfu: firewire all the way. :) |
| [06:12:03] | devtrash: | crap |
| [06:12:21] | devtrash: | So I need to get the ir blaster before I can use the svid |
| [06:13:11] | xris: | Defend: no. just set the channel changer script to something like /bin/true |
| [06:13:13] | snerfu: | you might eed to edit the video sources section |
| [06:13:40] | snerfu: | is svid coming from your cable box? |
| [06:13:53] | devtrash: | snerfu: yes |
| [06:14:11] | snerfu: | Is there a serial port on your cable box? |
| [06:14:26] | devtrash: | no |
| [06:14:34] | snerfu: | damn |
| [06:14:48] | snerfu: | Maybe a usb connection? |
| [06:15:37] | snerfu: | I had a serial port on my cable box and there was a script in the mythtv shares that would send command to the cable box to change channels |
| [06:16:09] | devtrash: | it has a usb but it's not active |
| [06:20:21] | devtrash: | nope /bin/true doesn't work, it still says: could not inputs for the capture card |
| [06:20:23] | snerfu: | you might have to do an ir blaster then. |
| [06:21:06] | GreyFoxx: | devtrash: Do you have avideo source defined? Do you have it "Attached" to the input under Input Connections? |
| [06:21:24] | devtrash: | GreyFoxx: let me double check |
| [06:22:29] | hads: | Hmf. I can't seem to tune a horizontal and vertical stream at the same time. Some guy on the local list rekons he can. |
| [06:23:32] | devtrash: | INput connections has Svideo->Digital Cable |
| [06:25:07] | devtrash: | and Digital Cable is the Video Source defined. |
| [06:25:30] | GreyFoxx: | and it has channels defined (under channel editor) |
| [06:25:33] | GreyFoxx: | ? |
| [06:25:59] | devtrash: | yep |
| [06:26:23] | GreyFoxx: | and what is the default channel set to for that input ? I think that's under input connections as well |
| [06:27:57] | devtrash: | under that I have preset tuner to channel and it is blank, and start at channel and that is channel 1 |
| [06:28:39] | devtrash: | nothing labelled default channel though |
| [06:28:44] | GreyFoxx: | channel 1 is a valid channel in your video source ? |
| [06:28:49] | GreyFoxx: | start at channel si the one |
| [06:30:38] | devtrash: | yeah channel 1 is VOD |
| [06:30:45] | devtrash: | video on demand and is valid |
| [06:32:17] | GreyFoxx: | then, if it's a valid channel according to the video source which is attached to the input, and you have defined an external channel changer script that always returns true, you should be able to use it (other than the fact that it's not really changing channels since you are faking it) |
| [06:33:23] | devtrash: | ok let me try something |
| [06:34:13] | ** GreyFoxx goes to bed ** | |
| [06:34:17] | GreyFoxx: | good luck with it |
| [06:34:36] | snerfu: | i got the wiimote running to use with mythtv the other night, its pretty nice. |
| [06:35:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | snerfu: Do you get a random channel if you sneeze while it's in your hand? ;-) |
| [06:35:40] | snerfu: | hehe |
| [06:37:03] | devtrash: | argh |
| [06:37:30] | snerfu: | i dont have it using the motion stuff, just the buttons. |
| [06:37:38] | devtrash: | Now i get this: card 0 (type) is set to start on channel 1 which does not exist |
| [06:38:19] | snerfu: | I am pretty sure that is supposed to say svideo. |
| [06:41:44] | devtrash: | meh |
| [06:43:00] | devtrash: | I give up for the night. |
| [06:43:55] | devtrash: | thanks for all the help guys |
| [06:53:07] | hendrixski: | hello |
| [06:57:53] | snerfu: | hi |
| [07:03:17] | hendrixski: | I was wondering if someone can point me at documentation for a migration schedule to QT4? |
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| [07:04:29] | hendrixski: | Seeing as how trolltech is no longer supporting qt3, it's at the end of life. |
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| [07:20:49] | xris: | hendrixski: I don't think mythtv works with qt4 |
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| [07:21:36] | hads: | Yeah, I read it's on the agenda for when qt4 is more widespread in distros |
| [07:22:24] | hads: | It's kinda a one or tother sort of thing though so the timing would have to be well timed. |
| [07:23:03] | hendrixski: | oh |
| [07:24:36] | hendrixski: | which distribution doesn't have qt4 support yet? |
| [07:26:37] | hendrixski: | KDE has been on Qt4 since 3.5, and is the default in Ubuntu and Gentoo from what I checked |
| [07:27:24] | xris: | hendrixski: well, fc6 doesn't |
| [07:27:49] | xris: | but more importantly to this channel, *mythtv* doesn't. |
| [07:28:12] | hendrixski: | xris: I know myth doesn't |
| [07:28:23] | hendrixski: | I ran into that compiling |
| [07:29:01] | xris: | there are apparently some pretty major API changes that the devs haven't gotten to. |
| [07:29:47] | hendrixski: | Yes, very major changes. My question is if there is any documentation on how and when they will be getting to them? |
| [07:29:57] | xris: | hmm, was wrong about fc6. has qt4, but defaults to 3. |
| [07:30:15] | xris: | "when" will be .22 at the earliest |
| [07:30:37] | hendrixski: | ah. OK |
| [07:31:26] | xris: | keep in mind that there are thousands of mythtv users still running on old distros with mysql 3.x, etc.. |
| [07:31:38] | xris: | .22 will mark a lot of "no more legacy support for X" stuff. |
| [07:31:41] | hendrixski: | how far along is .21? and how long is it between releases |
| [07:31:45] | tank-man: | i think slackware has 3.x too |
| [07:31:47] | hendrixski: | oh, that's a good point |
| [07:31:47] | xris: | doubt that it'll drop qt3 support at that point, though. |
| [07:31:53] | xris: | "as long as it takes" |
| [07:32:04] | xris: | myth version numbers are pretty arbitrary. |
| [07:32:19] | xris: | it's generally a matter of "seems stable enough, there are some new features, it's been awhile since we released something" |
| [07:32:27] | hendrixski: | lol |
| [07:33:05] | xris: | most people who want new stuff just run svn. |
| [07:33:13] | xris: | it's usually more stable than the previous release, anyway |
| [07:33:21] | hads: | Huh, KDE doens't use QT4 – that's due in KDE4 |
| [07:34:10] | hendrixski: | I'm quoting my friend who's a hardcore Gentoo User on the KDE using Qt4 thing... |
| [07:34:31] | hads: | I took the plunge and updated to SVN last week, it works well for me. |
| [07:34:33] | hendrixski: | we SVNed mythtv today, and we're planning on joining the development effort |
| [07:34:43] | hads: | Na, KDE still uses QT3 at present |
| [07:34:44] | burthold: | I got a weak couple of questions |
| [07:34:56] | hads: | hendrixski: Cool |
| [07:35:29] | hendrixski: | hads: yeah, it's going to be an interesting learning curve |
| [07:35:39] | burthold: | one, is there a legit dvd package for playback on linux? |
| [07:36:04] | burthold: | two, picture quality pvr 150 is not all that great |
| [07:36:28] | hads: | I'm not a C coder, about all I can do is read and sometimes even understand the source to try and track down bugs :) |
| [07:37:26] | hendrixski: | hads, so do you think that the mythtv source is well commented? |
| [07:37:34] | burthold: | dunno I'm a ubuntu user |
| [07:37:48] | arnducky: | burthold: what is you second question (as to 'one' there are a tonne of 'legit' players for Linux depending on where you reside) |
| [07:38:10] | hendrixski: | and did it take a while to read through Qt's documentation? |
| [07:38:46] | burthold: | two, picture quality pvr 150 is not all that great on tv playback |
| [07:38:51] | arnducky: | burthold: Dapper and Edgy play DVDs 'out-of-the-box' (if your hardware is supported — which is almost everything for DVD drives) |
| [07:39:20] | hendrixski: | oh, :-( |
| [07:39:28] | arnducky: | burthold: that's a statement, not a question what are *asking* about poor quality playback? |
| [07:39:31] | xris: | burthold: I believe that there are a couple of for-pay options. |
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| [07:39:59] | hads: | The devs seem friendly though if you are trying. |
| [07:40:00] | burthold: | white bright I've done several searches on it. and general quality |
| [07:40:00] | xris: | arnducky: yeah, ubuntu is pretty big on breaking US law (and the GPL, for that matter) |
| [07:40:12] | hads: | Breaking the GPL? |
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| [07:40:18] | hendrixski: | yeah, the only legal options for a lot of that are pay-for options |
| [07:40:27] | arnducky: | xris: the GPL !?! examples? |
| [07:40:29] | hendrixski: | breaking GPL? |
| [07:40:29] | xris: | hads: using/installing nvidia binary drivers by default. |
| [07:40:36] | burthold: | arnducky I've got Edgy on two machines and nether will play dvd's |
| [07:40:43] | hads: | Ah yes, the binary drivers argument :) |
| [07:40:58] | hendrixski: | no it doesn't? you have to install them yourself |
| [07:41:03] | burthold: | I'm using the nvidia drivers. |
| [07:41:04] | xris: | not sure what the stance on mp3s are, either. |
| [07:41:09] | arnducky: | burthold: have you installed dvdcss2 and reconfigured your players? |
| [07:41:09] | xris: | hendrixski: next version will |
| [07:41:12] | hads: | They are going to start shipping them |
| [07:41:12] | burthold: | I don't care about binary or OSS drivers. |
| [07:41:40] | hads: | burthold: You may want to look at the capture resolution and bitrate of your PVR150 car din mythtv-setup |
| [07:41:46] | burthold: | arnducky, yes on libdvdcss2 no on config players I've poked around I'll keep digging. |
| [07:41:55] | burthold: | bit rate is through the roof 6000 |
| [07:41:56] | arnducky: | (maybe if you if you install from US you don't get ffmpeg CSS decryption) |
| [07:41:57] | hendrixski: | xris: really? Feisty will come with proprietary drivers? |
| [07:42:24] | hads: | Wow, I'm finally starting to perk up since lastnight... it's 20:45 :/ |
| [07:42:24] | arnducky: | burthold: dpkg-reconfigure --force [type package name here] |
| [07:42:39] | arnducky: | or use a GUI tool |
| [07:42:44] | burthold: | arnducky that may be it. I'll give the force a try. |
| [07:43:05] | xris: | there's a big page about it in some ubuntu wiki, too. |
| [07:43:38] | burthold: | I'll search the wiki as well. I'm new to ubuntu I was a slack man for years |
| [07:43:45] | arnducky: | or you can apt-get | 'remove --purge' | and 'install' | [PKG] if you know what I mean |
| [07:43:54] | xris: | I tried ubuntu for a few weeks. couldn't handle the differences from redhat/fedora. |
| [07:43:55] | burthold: | yep |
| [07:44:03] | arnducky: | if you're lazy and not so choosey you can use automatix too |
| [07:44:04] | hendrixski: | ::shakes head:: well, everybody does it anyway to get Beryl or Compiz working |
| [07:44:16] | hendrixski: | automatix only does nVidia |
| [07:44:22] | xris: | hendrixski: wish I could get either of those to work.. neither supports multi-head. |
| [07:44:26] | burthold: | yeah I have automatix loaded I just want a legit way first |
| [07:44:48] | arnducky: | xris: you might as well say that about any Debian-based distro — heh |
| [07:45:01] | mythbox: | I just installed myth-suite on a fresh box and i'm getting an error when i try to load mythtv-setup or mythfrontend... here's the pastebin: http://pastebin.ca/350167 Anyone have any help? |
| [07:45:15] | hendrixski: | xris: even with twinview? |
| [07:45:17] | burthold: | I've been toying with getting back into opensource developement. |
| [07:45:44] | xris: | hendrixski: I don't want xinerama/twinview. my TV is off half the time. I just want it there for when I use it. |
| [07:45:49] | hads: | Yeah, fancy XGL stuff and multihead isn't that flash. Multihead is way more important to me :) |
| [07:46:26] | hendrixski: | Suse has the multihead configuring tool built in |
| [07:46:31] | hendrixski: | but it doesn't work very well :( |
| [07:46:36] | mythbox: | xris: you usually seem to know everything... any idea about that error? |
| [07:46:39] | arnducky: | xris Linux sees my card and shows several devices including sound drivers (oss is not here by default so it must have been the card that caused Linux to...) |
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| [07:46:58] | arnducky: | How can I test the card before installing MythTV? |
| [07:47:07] | xris: | mythbox: weird... |
| [07:47:12] | xris: | are you running as root? |
| [07:47:29] | mythbox: | xris: i was, then i tried running as just a user, but still had no luck |
| [07:47:42] | burthold: | or have you tried to chmod the files? |
| [07:47:44] | xris: | never seen that one before. how'd you install mythtv? |
| [07:48:01] | hendrixski: | also... how to I send someone a message so that they see it in red? |
| [07:48:06] | xris: | woah, it's almost midnight |
| [07:48:13] | mythbox: | xris: i'm in fedora and used yum install mythtv-suite |
| [07:48:15] | burthold: | you mean 2am :) |
| [07:48:16] | xris: | hendrixski: huh? that depends on the client |
| [07:48:21] | ** arnducky yawns — PST huh ** | |
| [07:48:29] | xris: | mythbox: double weird.. atrpms packages usually work just fine. |
| [07:48:36] | xris: | you might try to remove/reinstall |
| [07:48:49] | hendrixski: | xris: xChat? |
| [07:48:51] | mythbox: | xris: it's also the first time i've run into this issue... think i should remove and reinstall? |
| [07:49:09] | arnducky: | xris in Ubuntu did you try Alien (for all your rpms)? |
| [07:49:09] | mythbox: | guess so, didn't see your post |
| [07:49:28] | burthold: | I've had good luck with alien |
| [07:50:03] | xris: | arnducky: you lost me with "ubuntu" and "rpm" |
| [07:50:08] | mythbox: | xris: how can i remove the entire suite? |
| [07:50:12] | hads: | Yeah |
| [07:50:16] | xris: | mythbox: yum remove |
| [07:50:18] | hendrixski: | I used debian before Ubuntu, so it was a very natural transition |
| [07:50:27] | mythbox: | yum remove mythtv-suite? that doesn't do it for me |
| [07:50:38] | xris: | arnducky: I just don't like the way that dpkg works. |
| [07:50:47] | xris: | and got fed up with some of the packages. |
| [07:51:24] | hendrixski: | hhhm. I had the same experience when I trued Suse 10.2 a few weeks ago |
| [07:51:26] | xris: | mythbox: try libmyth |
| [07:51:36] | hendrixski: | I got fed up with Yast because it wasn't apt |
| [07:51:40] | mythbox: | xris: will do |
| [07:51:51] | xris: | originally wanted to switch away from fedora because the community was so fractured. it's still bad, but getting better |
| [07:51:53] | arnducky: | xris: what were you using dpkg for (directly) ? |
| [07:52:14] | hads: | Community of a distro is pretty important to me |
| [07:52:25] | hendrixski: | community of any project is important |
| [07:52:32] | hads: | Indeed |
| [07:52:41] | hendrixski: | How is the community for Myth? |
| [07:53:02] | hads: | I quite liked Arch Linux and used it for a bit, the community didn't really do it for me though. |
| [07:53:32] | xris: | arnducky: I'm a developer/sysadmin. I like direct control of things, including building my own packages (for things like mythtv) |
| [07:53:50] | hendrixski: | Does anyone in the myth community maintain the website? (nothing new since september) |
| [07:53:55] | xris: | myth community is pretty good as long as we stay away from things like "my distro is better" arguments |
| [07:54:02] | hads: | heh |
| [07:54:02] | hendrixski: | LOL |
| [07:54:05] | xris: | nope. website is entirely isaac |
| [07:54:17] | hendrixski: | all distros are about the same, just people have different tastes |
| [07:54:27] | xris: | I'm working on a new design for it, but since I'm not an artist, it's a bit slow going. |
| [07:54:30] | hendrixski: | ah, and Isaac is...? the orriginal guy? |
| [07:54:37] | hads: | Yah |
| [07:54:49] | xris: | lead dev, original guy, owner of all mythtv namespace, etc. |
| [07:54:57] | hendrixski: | Cool. |
| [07:55:12] | xris: | he goes by Chutt in IRC, but doesn't hang out in this channel anymore (only the dev channel) |
| [07:55:48] | hendrixski: | ah, I've heard to stay away from the dev channel unless I actually develop (which I hope to be doing soon) |
| [07:55:52] | xris: | not an official trademark. No real need because of some legal bit about precedent and first-use. |
| [07:56:03] | xris: | yeah. we tend not to like people chatting off-topic in there. |
| [07:56:08] | xris: | a lot of us hang out in both channels. |
| [07:56:08] | hendrixski: | cool |
| [07:56:16] | hendrixski: | xris, so you're a developer too? |
| [07:56:46] | xris: | yeah. mythweb, nuvexport and most things perl. |
| [07:56:52] | hads: | The dev channel seems friendly though even if you're not a dev – so long as you're talking about dev stuff. |
| [07:56:53] | hendrixski: | cool |
| [07:57:07] | hendrixski: | so what's your advice to someone who's looking to start contributing? |
| [07:57:49] | hads: | There's a list of things to work on at the trac wiki |
| [07:58:15] | hendrixski: | ah, Ok... so, like if I wanted to talk about Qt4 migration roadmaps on the dev chanel...? |
| [07:58:21] | hendrixski: | the trac wiki? |
| [07:58:26] | xris: | the semi-official rule is to fix bugs, submit patches (via trac), hang out in #mythtv and help out when possible, and if you get enough patches submitted, someone might ask you to join the dev team |
| [07:58:39] | WZ__: | anyone get mupen64 working with mythtv? it seems like something is broken when you try and compile from source to get mupen64_nogui |
| [07:58:52] | hads: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ |
| [07:58:52] | xris: | yeah, I think that'd be an acceptable question.. if it was framed with the "I'd like to help, where do I start?" bit. |
| [07:59:00] | arnducky: | xris so you don't trust any of the many packaging apps avail? |
| [07:59:15] | xris: | arnducky: I like rpm best, but I have a lot of issues with it, too. |
| [07:59:28] | arnducky: | CVS and custom make build or bust, huh? |
| [07:59:46] | xris: | I think gentoo probably has the best setup (from the little I've seen), but their non-linux layout/mentality bugs me. |
| [07:59:54] | xris: | blech. cvs. |
| [08:00:02] | hendrixski: | xris, yes, that is the angle I'm interested in,, the helping part |
| [08:00:19] | xris: | hendrixski: you could ask, but you'd be turned down unless you had a lot of accepted patches. |
| [08:00:32] | hads: | I like having boxes mostly for one purpose so the mythboxes are all the base system installed from packages and then myth installed from SVN, same for Asterisk systems etc. |
| [08:00:33] | hendrixski: | I see |
| [08:00:58] | ** arnducky imagines xris with a keyboard with only three keys on it: '0', '1', and 'Carriage Return/Line Feed' ** | |
| [08:01:30] | arnducky: | (and speed-blurred fingers) |
| [08:01:31] | hendrixski: | oh, that's the trac site... yeah. I came across that earlier. It could use a little TLC :-/ |
| [08:01:37] | ** xris likes his MS ergo keyboard with lots of buttons that don't actually work in linux. ** | |
| [08:01:51] | xris: | hendrixski: yeah. a lot of the devs have been taking a break lately. |
| [08:02:08] | xris: | or working on unticketd things (like the channel icon lookup, in my case) |
| [08:02:08] | arnducky: | what, no custom keymaps even? Dvorak? |
| [08:02:21] | hendrixski: | oh? taking a break break or a break-with-the-project break? |
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| [08:02:35] | xris: | arnducky: nope. I'm not that inventive. have a hard enough time remembering qwerty. |
| [08:02:46] | xris: | hendrixski: mixture of both, depending on the dev |
| [08:02:51] | hendrixski: | oh :( |
| [08:03:33] | xris: | Real Life gets in the way sometimes. |
| [08:03:42] | hads: | Funny that :) |
| [08:03:43] | xris: | or just doing too much for mythtv. |
| [08:03:54] | arnducky: | the point of Dvorak is that it's supposed to be easier — as opposed to deliberately placing 'a' under your left pinky to prevent mechanical jams — heh |
| [08:03:59] | hendrixski: | I know how that goes |
| [08:04:55] | xris: | arnducky: yeah. but I switch between computers too often. easier to stick in one mindset. switching from ergo to non-ergo is enough of a pain. |
| [08:04:58] | hendrixski: | Now, there are also a lot of mythTV related projects on SourceForge ... are they included in MythTV propper, or completely separate? |
| [08:05:09] | xris: | going between ergo, non-ergo and ergo-dvorak would be a headache. |
| [08:05:23] | xris: | hendrixski: if they're on sf, then no |
| [08:07:03] | hendrixski: | Ok, so if it's on SF it's separate... though, I assume some of the devs of those projects are also involved in MythTV development |
| [08:07:14] | xris: | no clue, there |
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| [08:07:38] | xris: | there are a few projects that mythtv tries to stay away from (e.g. anything related to bittorrent)... |
| [08:07:51] | hendrixski: | Hhhmm, I'll look into that. I mean, looked like there were a few cool myth plugins on SF |
| [08:08:28] | mythbox: | anyone ever see anduin around anymore? |
| [08:08:30] | hendrixski: | oh? avoiding bit-torent for napter type legal headaches? |
| [08:09:08] | xris: | same reason there's no "mythtv, inc." — don't want to draw undue attention from people who might sue. |
| [08:09:20] | hendrixski: | makes sense |
| [08:09:52] | hendrixski: | there are companies that have productized it, like monolith. They probably appreciate that as well I bet |
| [08:10:03] | xris: | mythbox: he's around occasionally. like during the day. |
| [08:10:54] | xris: | hendrixski: yeah. but all of the mythtv plugins are dedicated to sharing video, etc.. non-legal uses. |
| [08:13:01] | hendrixski: | Cool, so MythTV itself won't share files... but once you record something you can share it then, right? |
| [08:13:23] | xris: | it's still illegal |
| [08:13:29] | xris: | mythtv won't support it. |
| [08:13:30] | briand: | i don't think that would be considered "fair use" |
| [08:13:32] | arnducky: | sharing video is not illegal here |
| [08:13:48] | xris: | arnducky: mythtv is based in the US, the devs follow US law. |
| [08:13:49] | arnducky: | not if it was broadcast |
| [08:14:25] | xris: | arnducky: dunno about canada. didn't think it was that different from the US. |
| [08:14:26] | hendrixski: | yes, so if someone shares a file they recorded using myth, there is no liability to myth itself |
| [08:14:29] | briand: | so, can you also share mp3's of songs, as long as you record them from the radio? |
| [08:14:57] | xris: | hendrixski: you think that'd stop a lawsuit? |
| [08:15:19] | hads: | I hear lawsuits happen occasionally in the US :) |
| [08:15:31] | briand: | every once in a while, yes. |
| [08:15:32] | arnducky: | by law, broadcasters must provide the content that they broadcast without license fees — they may only charge for media and duplication fees and I thought the FDC guidelines in the US were the same except for PPV |
| [08:15:49] | arnducky: | this applied to 'cable' signals as well. |
| [08:16:00] | hendrixski: | briand, that's a good point. I know you're allowed to re-broadcast stuff, but that's probably different from recording and redistributing |
| [08:16:57] | xris: | arnducky: broadcasters, sure. but the content doesn't belong to them. |
| [08:17:12] | arnducky: | the original idea was that 1. 'airwaves' (RF spectrum) are a public resource and broadcasters must be held accountable for their programming and, subsequently, 2. programming is ad-supported anyhow |
| [08:17:28] | hendrixski: | hhhmmm, who does the content on YouTube belong to? |
| [08:17:30] | xris: | you still need to purchase a license to display anything outside of your "home"... they're even trying to pass laws so that if your tv is more than X big, you have to pay theatre license fees. |
| [08:17:49] | hads: | hah |
| [08:17:50] | briand: | no, and I would think that Rogers cable would have a real problem if you were to broadcast their service over the air for your neighbors to receive for free — you'd be depriving them of income. |
| [08:18:07] | xris: | in the US, it's technically illegal to record something onto VHS, and then take it to a friend's house to watch. |
| [08:18:19] | hendrixski: | what a great country we live in |
| [08:18:29] | briand: | VHS? how quaint. ;) |
| [08:18:30] | xris: | hendrixski: yup. |
| [08:18:48] | arnducky: | xris, however, they operate under FDC and CRTC regulation which their content publishers/distributors are well aware of. That's why many things... Eww that's almost as insane as the US Patriot Act |
| [08:18:49] | xris: | briand: yup. I still have a vcr, too. granted, it sits in a corner of my office under a pile of other crap. heh. |
| [08:18:51] | hendrixski: | I keep thinking about moving to france, or switzerland... some day |
| [08:19:08] | briand: | My VCR is the "living room clock" |
| [08:19:20] | hads: | erm |
| [08:19:21] | xris: | arnducky: watch the nasty link. |
| [08:19:47] | arnducky: | you guys need to wake up your elected politicians |
| [08:19:56] | hendrixski: | We just did |
| [08:20:04] | arnducky: | sorry — didn't see how long it was until it was pasted |
| [08:20:22] | hendrixski: | I don't know if you cought it but we just switched majority parties in the Congress |
| [08:20:37] | arnducky: | Are they going to repeal the "Military Commissions Act of 2006" then? |
| [08:20:47] | xris: | arnducky: problem is that no one who understands this stuff is running... |
| [08:20:51] | arnducky: | I did — does it make any difference? |
| [08:20:52] | hendrixski: | hopefully soon we'll switch the party in the presidency as well... with any luck it will be a woman |
| [08:21:06] | hendrixski: | I think it does |
| [08:21:38] | arnducky: | well, what about the people that drafted all that crap in the first place — are you saying they have no opposition that understands what they're doing? |
| [08:21:40] | hendrixski: | the difference is it will get us out of Iraq sooner, it will hold the executive branch to closer "QUality control" |
| [08:21:46] | briand: | i don't think the US is ready/willing to elect a woman president. I'd be surprised to see it in my lifetime |
| [08:21:46] | xris: | hendrixski: trying to avoid politics.. and call me cynical, but I don't think that particular woman, or the really-cool unnamed black guy would be able to get elected in this country |
| [08:21:50] | hads: | Hmm, bad topic |
| [08:22:01] | hendrixski: | hads, you're right. |
| [08:22:08] | hendrixski: | So... how about that popular sports team? |
| [08:22:13] | briand: | xris: exactly. |
| [08:22:35] | xris: | hads: the bad technology laws were passed by people on both "sides" of the fence. It's ok if we talk about ALL of them negatively. |
| [08:22:36] | arnducky: | Hillary Clinton scares me almost as bad as a 4-th term limit constitutional ammendment |
| [08:23:27] | ** xris wishes the US would do something smart like start using an approval voting system instead of this stupid electoral college stuff. ** | |
| [08:23:47] | hendrixski: | xris: the electoral college isn't stupid |
| [08:23:50] | hendrixski: | it's just out of date |
| [08:24:16] | xris: | hendrixski: thus making it stupid to keep around. |
| [08:24:23] | hendrixski: | it was very smart back in the days when things happened by horse and carriage, because otherwise the system would be in a state of confusion for months |
| [08:24:26] | arnducky: | nasty piece of work — both her and Clinton. My dad (a US citizen and longterm supporter with 10^4k$ framed Whitehouse front lawn pictures) defected d from the Democrats over them |
| [08:24:54] | hads: | xris: Oh, I was more referring to the politics and Iraq etc. coming up. |
| [08:25:16] | hendrixski: | why? they were too moderate for him? |
| [08:25:36] | arnducky: | they're not moderate |
| [08:25:40] | hendrixski: | The clinton legacy is to make all decisions based on polls |
| [08:25:55] | arnducky: | or to *seem* to |
| [08:25:56] | hads: | That topic always seems to degrade fairly quickly for some reason. |
| [08:26:07] | hendrixski: | which is, in essense, direct democracy. And they're both extremely moderated in their opinions and actions |
| [08:26:29] | hendrixski: | anyway, back to MythTV :) |
| [08:26:47] | hendrixski: | Roughly how many developers are there? |
| [08:26:51] | briand: | actually, it's off to bed for me... nearly 3:30am here. |
| [08:27:03] | arnducky: | I guess you miss what Hilary does overseas... and now, "a word from our sponsors, 'the friends and family of MythTV'" |
| [08:27:03] | briand: | g'nite all. |
| [08:27:06] | ** briand waves ** | |
| [08:27:09] | hads: | Later |
| [08:27:09] | arnducky: | bye |
| [08:27:14] | hendrixski: | bye |
| [08:27:24] | xris: | can't talk about a political party in terms of the past, anyway. they were different. Republicans from the 80s would freak out about the ones from today.. and god knows what the ones from Lincoln's time would say. |
| [08:27:28] | ** arnducky wonders if briand lives in a chateau ** | |
| [08:27:42] | xris: | same with the dems. |
| [08:27:49] | briand: | or if the women think he's "beefcake" |
| [08:27:53] | arnducky: | xris: too true, sadly |
| [08:28:04] | ** xris wishes that people would vote based on issues rather than along party lines. ** | |
| [08:28:13] | ** briand does. ** | |
| [08:28:17] | arnducky: | You guys need another Andrew Jackson, and desperately! |
| [08:28:28] | briand: | i dunno about that, either. |
| [08:28:38] | xris: | briand: if I did, no one I voted for would ever get elected... (I'm too liberal) |
| [08:28:40] | arnducky: | briand: really? |
| [08:28:41] | hendrixski: | arnducky... you mean another illiterate president? |
| [08:28:46] | hendrixski: | he couldn't read you know. |
| [08:28:56] | arnducky: | hendrixski: I didn't know. |
| [08:29:06] | briand: | he also was a bit of a zionist |
| [08:29:17] | briand: | nearly wiped out the Seminole tribe in FL |
| [08:29:28] | hendrixski: | Jackson? zionist? |
| [08:29:49] | arnducky: | I do know that he stood up to the banks, bribery in congress, corporate warmongers and brought in the silver standard |
| [08:29:53] | hendrixski: | zionism didn't exist untill the late 1800's |
| [08:30:10] | hendrixski: | anrducky, and don't forget caused a depression |
| [08:30:38] | arnducky: | hendrixski: that's jest pee-yoor boolshite, young whippersnapper |
| [08:31:00] | hendrixski: | ??? |
| [08:31:09] | briand: | yeah.. zionist wasn't the right word, obviously. :/ |
| [08:31:12] | arnducky: | revisionist history |
| [08:31:30] | mythbox: | man, this stupid error... i can't figure it out... mythtv-setup: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libmythavcodec-0.20.so.0: cannot restore segment prot after reloc: Permission denied |
| [08:31:37] | hendrixski: | I mean, the sentiment was always there... but the actual movement |
| [08:32:44] | arnducky: | the silver standard was very good for the economy and would be again, since silver is plentiful, yet still of commensurate intrinsic worth and noone has a monopoly/oligopoly on production |
| [08:33:28] | arnducky: | some of his money is still in circulation and is worth more than tender, though the US Treasury destroys it whenever it gets back to them |
| [08:34:06] | hendrixski: | lol... and adjust for inflation ... |
| [08:34:23] | briand: | i have a few silver certificates (two $20's and a $5) |
| [08:34:30] | arnducky: | How does your perception of Jacksonian 'Zionism' compare with Dubya's? |
| [08:35:37] | hendrixski: | alrighty. I think I'll go to sleep now as well. I got a good intro to MythTV. I'll keep tinkering with it and come back and eventually start submitting patches, and take it from there. |
| [08:35:49] | ** arnducky says 'neoclassical economics' (just to bring it up first) ** | |
| [08:36:07] | hendrixski: | goodnight, and thank you, especially xris :) |
| [08:36:19] | hads: | later |
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| [08:36:24] | briand: | g'nite |
| [08:36:32] | briand: | i'm outta here too (really, this time) |
| [08:36:35] | arnducky: | g'nite fellow padwan learner |
| [08:36:41] | hads: | heh, leter |
| [08:36:42] | arnducky: | (tm) Lucasfilm 2001 |
| [08:36:47] | ** xris wonders if he should go to sleep or keep poking at code ** | |
| [08:37:00] | arnducky: | sleep makes for better code later on |
| [08:37:01] | briand: | xris: see my note in the other channel? |
| [08:37:51] | briand: | i didn't look at the source, but i'd gamble we're not escaping special chars in those fields prior to attempting to write them |
| [08:37:55] | arnducky: | (you just think the stuff you do sleep-deprived 'in a flash of inspiration' are brilliant while deprived) |
| [08:38:36] | xris: | briand: no, but I do now |
| [08:39:07] | arnducky: | briand: if you're still not gone to bed, do please tell me what castle (chateau) you live in. |
| [08:39:40] | briand: | castle? I'm not even geographically close to a White Castle! |
| [08:40:58] | briand: | ...which reminds me — i need to top off the moat, tomorrow. g'nite all |
| [08:41:03] | ** briand waves ** | |
| [08:44:18] | arnducky: | lol |
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| [08:46:36] | tcpsyn: | My machine is not running stable.... Myth keeps segfaulting on me. |
| [08:46:42] | tcpsyn: | And I'm not getting any good debug info |
| [08:46:48] | tcpsyn: | And I'm not getting any good debug info |
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| [09:12:23] | LabMonkey: | sometimes I really really hate upgrading *anything* |
| [09:12:41] | LabMonkey: | my remote doesn't want to cooperate now |
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| [10:01:51] | galorin: | looking to set up a seperate frontend/backend, and just looking for a cheap way to do just the frontend. I'm looking at either LTSP or a softmodded xbox. the latter is dirt cheap, but will it be powerful enough to do what a seperate frontend needs to do? |
| [10:10:30] | arnducky: | softmodded xbox — neat |
| [10:15:19] | galorin: | doesn't look too difficult as long as the firmware on the xbox is before a certain date |
| [10:16:48] | galorin: | just don't know if the xbox is powerful enough. It seems to be |
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| [10:19:36] | galorin: | howdy S2 |
| [10:20:09] | S2: | hi galorin |
| [10:25:08] | Dewi: | Hello all... |
| [10:25:31] | Dewi: | I have often wondered about using mythtv on a headless machine |
| [10:26:43] | Dewi: | I have a headless machine that acts as ppp dialer, file server, and it is on 24/7 – so suitable for vcr |
| [10:26:49] | S2: | Dewi, do it. there is a distro for it. minimyth |
| [10:27:35] | Dewi: | S2: so can I do things like... retransmit a live broadcast over ethernet? |
| [10:27:56] | S2: | Dewi, google for minimyth and read :) |
| [10:28:08] | Dewi: | well, I'd be using debian, not a special distro, but okay |
| [10:28:47] | Dewi: | S2: what I want is kind of the *opposite* of minimyth |
| [10:28:55] | Dewi: | I want a 'myth server' |
| [10:29:47] | galorin: | mythtv is designed so that you can have a backend in chage of recording, and a frontend for playback |
| [10:30:22] | galorin: | I'm costing out splitting my frontend from my backend |
| [10:30:25] | S2: | Dewi, a headless server is no problem |
| [10:30:33] | S2: | Dewi, just install mythtv :) |
| [10:30:47] | Dewi: | galorin: ideally I would like the frontend on a windows box |
| [10:31:10] | Dewi: | with the rest of my interacting/gaming/multimedia output |
| [10:31:39] | Dewi: | S2: I'd better stick my card in and have a go |
| [10:31:55] | galorin: | winmyth I think it's called. I never got it to work but I spent all of 15 minutes on it. |
| [10:32:01] | S2: | Dewi, yeah :) great idea |
| [10:33:17] | galorin: | IS2, know anything about getting an xbox running as a frontend? |
| [10:33:36] | galorin: | dangit, screaming kid's cramping my style |
| [10:33:37] | Dewi: | I wonder if vlc could pull video down from myth in real time |
| [10:33:53] | Dewi: | since winmyth doesn't look too mature... |
| [10:35:10] | S2: | galorin, nope. i own a 360 and that does not work for videos |
| [10:35:31] | S2: | Dewi, you can use mythweb to stream video to whatever you want |
| [10:35:44] | S2: | Dewi, just install it and okay around |
| [10:35:52] | S2: | okay=play |
| [10:36:02] | galorin: | not the 360, the old dirt cheap off ebay one |
| [10:39:08] | Dewi: | S2: cool... |
| [10:39:22] | Dewi: | thanks for answering my questions guys... I've never seen people talk too much specifically about this use case on the web |
| [10:39:34] | galorin: | just don't know if it's beefy enough, or more expensive than a ltsp box by the time I've gotten all I need to get |
| [10:39:57] | galorin: | Dewi, myth is great :-) quite versatile. |
| [10:40:35] | galorin: | if they'd sort out a touchscreen interface, I'd be building a car-pc in a snap just to have myth in my car. |
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| [11:07:29] | galorin: | hmm, I wonder... the aopen EX761 for a combined front/backend. Plenty powerful, small, but only one PCI slot and one PCI express slot, so only room for one tuner card, and nothing else in there. |
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| [11:20:39] | doc_: | hi there |
| [11:26:01] | galorin: | say, is stuff from pinnacle any good with linux? Dabs has a pinnacle dual tuner pci express card that would go great in the barebones system that I'm considering |
| [11:26:36] | galorin: | can't find any chipset info on it |
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| [11:41:47] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v justinh | |
| [11:43:25] | galorin: | Howdy justinh |
| [11:44:36] | justinh: | hiya |
| [11:45:46] | rsdvd: | Good morningJustin |
| [11:46:17] | galorin: | I've just spotted a couple of nice looking tuner cards, and I'm trying to figure out if they'll be supported under Linux. PCI express cards |
| [11:47:04] | justinh: | galorin: check the linuxtv wiki if they're digital cards, else look at the v4l wiki. or ask in #linuxtv |
| [11:48:20] | justinh: | you should also search the v4l & linuxtv mailing lists |
| [11:48:42] | justinh: | the number of pci express tuner cards out there can probably be counted on one hand anyway |
| [11:48:47] | justinh: | morning rsdvd |
| [11:49:24] | galorin: | Yeah, and not a one is supported under Linux. Drat, there goes that idea. |
| [11:50:08] | justinh: | folks should buy proper motherboards that have enough proper pci slots :-P |
| [11:50:29] | rsdvd: | galorin : the extra cost of PCI-e for a tuner card makes them rather expensive....you would be better off with an external USB if you are using that board |
| [11:53:46] | galorin: | Well, I was thinking of this little aopen barebones thing with one PCI slot and one PCIe slot. I was looking for dual dvb-t tuner cards that work |
| [11:54:32] | justinh: | happauge nova-t 500 does apparently |
| [11:54:58] | justinh: | hauppauge even :-P |
| [11:55:04] | galorin: | Looks flaky though, don't want flaky. |
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| [11:55:31] | justinh: | looks flaky??? |
| [11:55:53] | ** justinh prepares a lethal injection for "Please help me get a usable MythTV on ubunut" ** | |
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| [11:57:02] | justinh: | just realised what's up with digitalspy's tv guide listings – they're only a week late |
| [11:57:48] | galorin: | according to the wiki, the tuners in the 500 will occasionally disconnect, causing the computer to be very sad. |
| [11:58:09] | justinh: | that's usb for yer |
| [11:58:54] | justinh: | see that sort of thing is totally acceptable in MCE – users more or less expect to have to reboot the machine every other day |
| [12:00:20] | justinh: | it might be time to start eschewing these diddy little barebones systems if you want more than a single tuner pvr |
| [12:01:23] | galorin: | Yeah, I know, but my wife is pressuring me to get a neat looking case, and that whole system costs a bit less than the case that I hd my eye on. |
| [12:02:25] | justinh: | for me the choice was a no-brainer. I simply couldn't afford a nice looking case that was both quiet & big enough for a multi-tuner system |
| [12:04:18] | galorin: | So, what tuners do you use in your system? I've currently got one wintv-nova-t in my system, conexant one and seems to work ok. |
| [12:04:29] | galorin: | I do want to do multi-tuner |
| [12:04:56] | rsdvd: | surley MythTv's bigest strength is the split freont/back ends......small cute frontends – big ugly backends |
| [12:06:09] | justinh: | bug ugly noisy backends ;) |
| [12:06:16] | immolo: | galorin- I would just get another nova-t :P |
| [12:06:26] | immolo: | nice little cards |
| [12:06:35] | justinh: | the tuners I've got can't be bought anywhere anymore |
| [12:06:40] | galorin: | My big ugly backend is an AMD 754 system with a dead motherboard. Don't want to lose that 754 chip |
| [12:06:46] | rsdvd: | justinh : in my case it can be as noisy as it wants – it is in the loft |
| [12:07:07] | rsdvd: | it has 4 HDD and 6 fans = very noise but who cares |
| [12:08:14] | immolo: | rsdvd- you think thats bad I've got a server with with 4HDD and 4 fans but my laptops power supply over powers it |
| [12:08:39] | rsdvd: | :-) |
| [12:09:15] | immolo: | my server sounds slient when its the onlt thing plugged in |
| [12:10:08] | galorin: | 4 hard drives, 5 fans for me, but it sat in the front room and looked ugly. It's an old case that's missing drive bays and is scratched to heck. |
| [12:11:00] | immolo: | I got a nice case with mine, it was the only reason I was allow to buy it :P |
| [12:11:07] | galorin: | No wonder the wife complains I suppose |
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| [12:14:21] | immolo: | talking about upgrades would mythtv make use of a dual cpu setup? |
| [12:14:28] | rsdvd: | justinh : even my EPIA now fails with the DoM.....I think I might have killed it :-( |
| [12:18:09] | justinh: | oof |
| [12:18:41] | justinh: | I tried a different DoM in one of my s100s & I think it fried the IDE interface |
| [12:19:06] | justinh: | still works with USB, and also still works with cdroms – just not hdds :( |
| [12:20:08] | rsdvd: | I might have also killed the EPIA |
| [12:20:26] | rsdvd: | I have taken the DoM out and now the things drops to GRUB everytime I boot |
| [12:20:50] | galorin: | For just a frontend, how much space would mythtv take up? |
| [12:21:27] | justinh: | galorin: depends on which distro you use |
| [12:21:32] | galorin: | damnsmalllinux |
| [12:21:39] | justinh: | ubunut will happily hog over a gigabyte |
| [12:21:49] | justinh: | while minimyth sits in under 128MB unpacked |
| [12:22:45] | galorin: | Hmm, minimyth might be the way to go then... |
| [12:22:49] | galorin: | well, gotta go. |
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| [12:24:00] | rsdvd: | justinh : have you any idea why my frontend would hang with 'GRUB' and go no further ? |
| [12:24:42] | justinh: | check the bios is detecting the hdd |
| [12:25:09] | rsdvd: | it is – that is where GRUB is installed. |
| [12:25:47] | justinh: | strange |
| [12:25:52] | rsdvd: | I agree |
| [12:25:58] | justinh: | see if it'll boot off a live cd |
| [12:26:22] | rsdvd: | all I did was test the DoM in the thing – I am still trying to get Grub to install on the DoM so I can network boot the S100 |
| [12:34:05] | justinh: | all the stuff I did with the DoM was when I was booting gentoo from a hdd in another ide channel |
| [12:34:52] | rsdvd: | I don't trust myself to solder the other IDE header to the main board – so I can only run 1 channel :-( |
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| [12:41:06] | justinh: | whoops – that patch I submitted had a nasty at the end of the file. silly windows. last time I ever upload a patch from work |
| [12:41:46] | rsdvd: | :-) you shoudl use your vmware and run Fedora on the windoze |
| [12:43:34] | justinh: | didn't think it'd harm for just one file |
| [12:53:00] | doc_: | rsdvd: mmm one question about vmware... which audio module uses in kernel ? |
| [12:53:51] | immolo: | doc_- wouldn't lspci say? |
| [12:54:00] | doc_: | uh... good answer :) |
| [12:54:17] | immolo: | or just stick a livecd in and lsmod |
| [12:54:40] | immolo: | but why the need to run linux in vmware |
| [12:54:52] | doc_: | nah, simply to do it :) |
| [12:54:56] | rsdvd: | doc_ : I don;t know – I have done very little in vmware |
| [12:55:10] | doc_: | :) |
| [12:55:13] | immolo: | just format it the company will thank you in the end |
| [12:55:14] | rsdvd: | If I need a linux clone on windows I use co-linux |
| [12:55:55] | ** immolo can't wait to get his company laptop ** | |
| [12:56:37] | immolo: | the fools give out dual core systems just for excel work |
| [12:57:44] | rsdvd: | :-) you could make a nice frontend on that :-) |
| [12:57:54] | immolo: | hell yeah |
| [12:58:00] | immolo: | and play ps2 games |
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| [12:58:30] | ** immolo drools ** | |
| [12:59:07] | rsdvd: | :-) |
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| [12:59:39] | rsdvd: | I wish my boss would buy me a dual-core laptop – Oh I am my boss – where is the company credit card |
| [13:00:07] | immolo: | haha get me a new system while you are at it |
| [13:00:20] | immolo: | can never have to many computers |
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| [13:01:46] | rsdvd: | tell me about it – I have 7 in here alone....plus another 6 in around the house! |
| [13:04:44] | immolo: | well i downsized, i've only got 4 now |
| [13:05:09] | immolo: | 5 if you count my pda running linux |
| [13:05:20] | rsdvd: | is it possible to isntall GRUB on a USB key? |
| [13:06:16] | immolo: | well you can on a floppy so why not on a usb |
| [13:07:04] | rsdvd: | that is what I thought – but the --rescan does not seem to find my /dev/sda so the install fails with 'no device in devicemap' |
| [13:07:11] | justinh: | rsdvd: course it's possible |
| [13:07:19] | justinh: | I've done it loads of times |
| [13:07:45] | justinh: | evidently the kernel you choose has to support USB if you plan to put the whole OS on there |
| [13:11:56] | rsdvd: | justinh : I must be missing something then........I am simply doing grub-install /dev/sda ? |
| [13:14:12] | rsdvd: | justinh : all I want is to create something bootable which will boot the minimyth tarball I created the other day |
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| [13:58:12] | justinh: | ow. that one's for lilo |
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| [13:59:50] | justinh: | http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/grub_intro/ |
| [14:00:48] | justinh: | anyway there's a script with minimyth to make a usb stick do the biz |
| [14:01:50] | rsdvd: | there is ? |
| [14:04:54] | rsdvd: | the mm_local_install script installs the latest build from the linpvr site – not my local one |
| [14:06:04] | justinh: | so er.. modify it :) |
| [14:06:23] | rsdvd: | lol....I am doing – thanks for the pointer |
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| [14:13:00] | justinh: | delete from program where starttime>"2007-10–10"; |
| [14:13:10] | justinh: | oops! |
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| [14:45:41] | doc__: | hi there |
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| [15:04:28] | galorin: | for a straight frontend (no tuner, no transcoding jobs) what is the slowest system I can get away with? I'm looking at epia boards, and other tiny systems |
| [15:04:40] | doc__: | mmm strange... |
| [15:05:02] | doc__: | when i boot remote frontend, server gets very slowly |
| [15:05:09] | doc__: | it looks like nfs overheading |
| [15:11:04] | tank-man: | galorin, people have used xbox as a frontend, and that is a celeron with 64megs ram |
| [15:15:17] | galorin: | 733 celeron right? so no slower than that and I should be ok? |
| [15:16:19] | rsdvd: | galorin : there are a group of us currently building some STBs based on 733 Celeron – they are reported to work fine for a SD frontend |
| [15:17:18] | galorin: | rsdvd, sounds interesting... got a site? |
| [15:18:20] | GreyFoxx: | The 733(128meg of ram) in the msntv2 is fine as a SDTV frontend |
| [15:18:32] | GreyFoxx: | I personally wouldn't try anything less than a 650 |
| [15:19:00] | doc__: | mmm |
| [15:19:01] | rsdvd: | galorin : http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/s100 (justinh will kill me for posting that again :-) ) |
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| [15:22:49] | galorin: | cool, now to put together my epia system. |
| [15:23:34] | galorin: | say, isn't it minimyth that uses ltsp or is that a completely different animal? |
| [15:24:44] | rsdvd: | minimyth uses tftp/PXE to load a local copy – it is not a 'thin client' as such |
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| [15:34:28] | galorin: | Ahh, I see. Look like I'll want to look up some more on it then. |
| [15:37:44] | c0re: | anyone get this error mesage when installing nuvexport? "nuvexport requires either the cvs or svn version of ffmpeg" looks like this happened because I used the rpm for the install.... |
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| [15:40:46] | doc__: | mmm... |
| [15:40:51] | doc__: | why why... |
| [15:41:06] | doc__: | diskless frontend gets prebuffering pause constantly |
| [15:41:07] | doc__: | :/ |
| [15:41:17] | doc__: | it's a k7 700 with 256 MB RAM and mounted with nfs |
| [15:43:05] | c0re: | i was able to use yum to remove the install.... then use the "latest verion" extract, then "make install" but it still errors out |
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| [15:54:21] | tank-man: | c0re, you have to install ffmpeg |
| [15:55:40] | doc__: | any idea ? suggestion... |
| [15:58:41] | tank-man: | i suggest you install the latest cvs or svn version of ffmpeg |
| [16:00:33] | c0re: | im looking for it.... yeah ffmpeg is installed |
| [16:01:52] | c0re: | ffmpeg is installed but im not using svn or cvs.... I thought they where test versions? |
| [16:03:32] | ShiftyPowers: | do any players or even mythtv upconvert a file to the GUI resolution? say for example i have a video file that is 768x544 (random numbers) and then the screen resolution is at 1920x1080, does mythtv do some sort of interpolation when i go full screen? |
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| [16:20:48] | stuarta: | afternoon all |
| [16:21:31] | doc__: | hi |
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| [16:22:15] | c0re: | hey |
| [16:25:52] | clever: | ShiftyPowers: mplayer will scale the video up |
| [16:25:59] | clever: | most of the time in hardware |
| [16:26:02] | ShiftyPowers: | is it only mplayer? |
| [16:26:09] | clever: | dont know about mythtv |
| [16:26:11] | ShiftyPowers: | so mplayer is the best then eh? |
| [16:26:16] | GreyFoxx: | ShiftyPowers: No, the player generally doesn't do that |
| [16:26:19] | ShiftyPowers: | does it do it in default mode? |
| [16:26:20] | GreyFoxx: | your hardware does |
| [16:26:22] | clever: | mythtv probly does it too |
| [16:26:40] | ShiftyPowers: | GreyFoxx, is there a way to do it with say mplayer? |
| [16:26:55] | clever: | mplayer does support software scaling which is hard on the cpu |
| [16:26:58] | GreyFoxx: | ShiftyPowers: If you are running fullscreen, then it's happenning |
| [16:27:11] | ShiftyPowers: | aight, i guess it is indeed |
| [16:27:29] | ShiftyPowers: | just wondering if there was a way to further improve the pixelation from low resolution input files |
| [16:27:31] | GreyFoxx: | the player sends the video sample to XV/your card and tells it where to place it on the screen and how big it should be |
| [16:27:36] | GreyFoxx: | the card scales it appropriately |
| [16:28:02] | clever: | yeah but only 1 program can do that at a time |
| [16:28:24] | GreyFoxx: | And just how many fullscreen videos are you playing at a time ? |
| [16:28:33] | ShiftyPowers: | no no, only one |
| [16:28:34] | clever: | lol |
| [16:28:52] | clever: | mplayer can fall back to a software scaler which eats cpu up alot |
| [16:28:58] | ShiftyPowers: | gotcha, so it's doing the best i guess |
| [16:29:12] | clever: | 2007-02–11 10:29:47.045 MythThemedMenuPrivate: Must have room for at least 1 column of buttons |
| [16:29:21] | clever: | dont get that much but its anoying |
| [16:29:28] | clever: | 0 buttons on screen |
| [16:29:57] | clever: | and at the touch of ESC it Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| [16:31:12] | clever: | i got the backtrace up |
| [16:31:43] | clever: | #0 0xb6d054c7 in MythThemedMenuPrivate::keyHandler (this=0x83bd800, actions=@0xbfff4928, fullexit=true) at myththemedmenu.cpp:1886 |
| [16:33:00] | stuarta: | clever: put the backtrace into a pastebin.... |
| [16:33:33] | doc__: | hi |
| [16:33:56] | doc__: | mmmm... |
| [16:34:10] | stuarta: | :) |
| [16:34:21] | doc__: | i'm getting prebuffering pause message constantly with a k7 700 diskless frontend over nfs (not initrd) |
| [16:35:23] | clever: | i get prebuffering pauses alot with my be+fe machine with an 80gig disk but i just ignore them:S |
| [16:35:36] | doc__: | :/ |
| [16:35:47] | doc__: | video playback gets paused ... :// |
| [16:35:50] | clever: | it seems to work with them so not a major problem |
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| [16:38:21] | doc__: | nope... |
| [16:38:38] | ** doc__ searching ** | |
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| [16:41:01] | c0re: | my head hurts... but I luv myth! |
| [16:41:06] | mr-at: | #join freepbx |
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| [16:45:24] | ** clever pokes stuarta ** | |
| [16:45:52] | stuarta: | huh... got distracted by rugby and beer |
| [16:46:08] | clever: | lol |
| [16:46:48] | stuarta: | nothing comes to mind with that at the moment |
| [16:47:09] | MoRpHeUz: | is there any plugins for mythtv where you can browse/play files on your ipod ? |
| [16:47:29] | justinh: | not as such, no |
| [16:47:35] | MoRpHeUz: | ok.. |
| [16:47:36] | stuarta: | hi justinh |
| [16:47:37] | MoRpHeUz: | =) |
| [16:47:39] | MoRpHeUz: | thanks |
| [16:47:42] | justinh: | hi stuarta |
| [16:47:48] | stuarta: | tho mythmusic is similar |
| [16:48:07] | stuarta: | but plays the music on your machine... |
| [16:48:31] | stuarta: | !trout french_rugby_team |
| [16:48:31] | ** MythLogBot slaps french_rugby_team with a trout on behalf of stuarta... ** | |
| [16:50:00] | justinh: | so Branson has said he wants to take McFly into space.. hasn't said anything about bringing them back. Hope he takes all the other dross bands as well :) |
| [16:50:05] | ** stuarta become unhappy, cause the irish lost to france ** | |
| [16:50:30] | stuarta: | more beer must be the solution |
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| [17:02:58] | rsdvd: | has anyone ever used grub for network boots? |
| [17:03:58] | clever: | ive thought of it |
| [17:04:10] | clever: | but ive yet to get the netboot version to compile |
| [17:04:54] | rsdvd: | that was my next question – I have now reallised the netboot is not install by default. |
| [17:05:41] | rsdvd: | I have compiled with --enable-viarhine – but I still cannot use the ifconfig command etc |
| [17:06:09] | clever: | did you also --enable-etherboot? |
| [17:07:34] | rsdvd: | it does not appear as an option |
| [17:08:07] | clever: | which grub source do you have? |
| [17:08:27] | rsdvd: | a checkout of svn |
| [17:08:33] | clever: | ahh |
| [17:08:37] | clever: | grub 2 or 1? |
| [17:08:46] | rsdvd: | 'legacy' – grub 1 |
| [17:08:57] | clever: | ahh:) |
| [17:09:24] | clever: | grub-0.97 is what i tryed it with |
| [17:09:49] | rsdvd: | 0.97 is 'legacy' isn;t it? |
| [17:09:58] | clever: | yeah i beleive so |
| [17:10:21] | clever: | go into the netboot folder in grub source |
| [17:10:22] | rsdvd: | so if you had a --enable-etherboto why havn;t I? |
| [17:10:24] | clever: | and read the README file |
| [17:10:46] | ** clever wonders where i saw --enable-etherboot:S ** | |
| [17:11:00] | clever: | ahhh it was --enable-diskless |
| [17:11:05] | rsdvd: | there is not option for --enable-etherboto in there |
| [17:11:16] | rsdvd: | arh...enable-diskless is something else |
| [17:12:02] | clever: | --enable-via-rhine |
| [17:12:16] | justinh: | erm.. I mean use an NFS share |
| [17:12:33] | clever: | yeah but without netboot source the initrd and kernel need to be local |
| [17:13:25] | rsdvd: | justinh : you woudl have to have the whole kernel etc run from the key. |
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| [17:13:45] | justinh: | so ? |
| [17:13:57] | clever: | and then once the kernel and initrd are up they would switch to the nfs root |
| [17:14:50] | clever: | also how much more work would wifi net boot be?:P |
| [17:15:04] | rsdvd: | I think I must be showing my lack of knowledge in this stuff. I am tyring to mimic the normal PXE stuff for minimyth |
| [17:15:08] | justinh: | this isn't a netboot per se – it's for a bootloader on a USB stick |
| [17:15:33] | justinh: | the bootloader loads the kernel – from the USB device & then mounts / over nfs |
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| [17:16:01] | clever: | i think that might be called boot straping |
| [17:17:21] | justinh: | rsdvd: I still have an image of a usb stick I used for a diskless gentoo on the s100 |
| [17:17:25] | ** rsdvd wishes he knew someone local to sort this for him ** | |
| [17:17:38] | rsdvd: | :-) that woudl be brilliant |
| [17:18:49] | justinh: | weird. it's a bzt file |
| [17:19:06] | rsdvd: | ? bzt |
| [17:19:38] | clever: | same as a .tar.bz i think |
| [17:19:45] | justinh: | I dunno wtf that's all about |
| [17:19:54] | clever: | run file on it |
| [17:19:59] | clever: | file ....tbz |
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| [17:20:18] | gardengnome: | re |
| [17:20:29] | rsdvd: | welcome to the party gardengnome |
| [17:20:36] | gardengnome: | yay, what party? |
| [17:20:56] | rsdvd: | the watching me slowly go mad – party |
| [17:20:59] | Dr_willis: | Polka Party! |
| [17:21:05] | gardengnome: | rsdvd: nice |
| [17:21:12] | ** gardengnome is gonna have a dremel party later ** | |
| [17:21:48] | rsdvd: | lol....I have a dremel – and I will take it to th S100 if I cannot get it to work soon |
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| [17:22:17] | [Jasper]: | hej guys, some advice needed, laying cabling in my new house, hdmi or dvi, don't have tv yet :/ |
| [17:22:33] | gardengnome: | rsdvd: i'm re-compiling with a fresh checkout of gar-minimyth now because i broke mine. i'm busy with my new mythtv box, though. with linux 2.6.20, i'd expect minimyth to boot now in my VM |
| [17:23:27] | gardengnome: | rsdvd: do you have the VGA cable? |
| [17:23:45] | rsdvd: | the internal 'hack' ? yes |
| [17:23:59] | gardengnome: | rsdvd: good. so, what's wrong? where are you stuck? |
| [17:24:03] | justinh: | gardengnome: I've told him he needs to make a bootloader on usb stick or the DoM, then just mount / over NFS |
| [17:24:22] | gardengnome: | justinh: the kernel is missing ;) |
| [17:24:33] | rsdvd: | but I don;t know enough about bootloaders and everything I try screws up |
| [17:24:39] | justinh: | so put the kernel on the USB stick... |
| [17:24:57] | gardengnome: | justinh: i wouldn't do that. i'd start etherboot and let pxelinux take care of the rest. |
| [17:25:00] | justinh: | the s100 can't do pxeboot |
| [17:25:19] | rsdvd: | herein lies my problem |
| [17:25:23] | gardengnome: | justinh: it does with etherboot. |
| [17:25:44] | gardengnome: | you should be able to write etherboot to the MBR or boot it from grub |
| [17:25:51] | justinh: | what's wrong with putting the kernel on the usb stick? it's not like it changes much |
| [17:26:21] | gardengnome: | justinh: nothing is wrong with that, i suppose. i'd just stay as close to real minimyth as possible to avoid trouble |
| [17:26:36] | rsdvd: | gardengnome : that is exacly what I thoguth |
| [17:26:36] | gardengnome: | if you get it working, THEN you can fiddle with it |
| [17:26:48] | clever: | if the kexec syscall is enabled you can change the kernel at run time |
| [17:26:54] | rsdvd: | gardengnome : all the info I find on etherboot says it is to be burned to a ROM |
| [17:27:02] | clever: | the kernel will basicaly shut itself off and run the named kernel |
| [17:27:03] | [Jasper]: | anyone got some advice for me? |
| [17:27:05] | [Jasper]: | hdmi or dvi? |
| [17:27:07] | clever: | which boots up like normal |
| [17:27:15] | clever: | partialy rebooting the system |
| [17:27:25] | gardengnome: | clever: that'll just make matters more complicated, but thanks |
| [17:27:49] | clever: | it would let you upgrade the old kernel with one from the network without editing the usb stick |
| [17:28:15] | justinh: | I dunno how the hell to get into the bzt image of a usb stick I've got. fat lot of good that backup is |
| [17:28:35] | rsdvd: | justinh : lol |
| [17:28:42] | clever: | run file on it |
| [17:28:55] | justinh: | it's 123M, so I doubt it's compressed |
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| [17:29:06] | clever: | file /usr/share/info/ddd.info-10.gz |
| [17:29:06] | clever: | /usr/share/info/ddd.info-10.gz: gzip compressed data, was "ddd.info-10", from Unix, max compression |
| [17:29:09] | rsdvd: | gardengnome : how do you install etherboot to a usb stick |
| [17:29:10] | gardengnome: | rsdvd: there's an online etherboot image generator that'll give you the right etherboot image |
| [17:29:15] | gardengnome: | rsdvd: i dunno :) |
| [17:29:24] | gardengnome: | rsdvd: you'll have to find out. |
| [17:29:33] | rsdvd: | lol....I thoguth you were talking from experienec |
| [17:29:42] | doc__: | amazing... using one kernel or another eliminates frame dropping :/ |
| [17:29:46] | gardengnome: | rsdvd: i used to do etherboot from floppy |
| [17:30:14] | justinh: | I might just say stuff this for a lark & install slack on a USB stick. the hardest part about that is making IEGD work |
| [17:30:20] | gardengnome: | rsdvd: it's not hard. just do some experiments. |
| [17:30:32] | gardengnome: | justinh: heh |
| [17:30:47] | gardengnome: | it's a shame my s100 sits in the closet and doesn't get used |
| [17:30:50] | rsdvd: | gardengnome : I have been 'experimenting' for 3 days |
| [17:31:07] | gardengnome: | the problem is that it's sitting next to my new mythtv box which is not being used at the moment either, so i constantly get distracted ;) |
| [17:31:33] | clever: | ive had an idea for a slim frontend case |
| [17:31:39] | clever: | get a semi old laptop |
| [17:31:53] | clever: | and if you want tear the lcd panel off carefully:P |
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| [17:31:58] | justinh: | I've a got a new patch to write next week so that's my time taken up :-P |
| [17:33:00] | stuarta: | how did the first patch go? |
| [17:33:07] | gardengnome: | rsdvd: etherboot will provide you with a PXE stack which will download pxelinux via tftp which will download its config over tftp; the config tells pxelinux to get the kernel over tftp. that's the process. |
| [17:33:08] | justinh: | just sitting there still |
| [17:33:20] | stuarta: | i haven't even read my email yet... |
| [17:33:40] | justinh: | I'd not even bother with the ram-minimyth to be honest |
| [17:33:53] | justinh: | nfsroot, FTW |
| [17:33:58] | gardengnome: | justinh: true. |
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| [17:34:19] | gardengnome: | heh. there's a guide to modifying a bios image to support etherboot :) |
| [17:34:33] | gardengnome: | oops, i must have overloaded rsdvd's brain |
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| [17:36:11] | onetwo: | hi is there a problem with mythfilldatabase from svn and radiotimes? or is it me. was working, now empty.... |
| [17:36:15] | justinh: | rsdvd: can you upload the minimyth stuff somewhere? |
| [17:36:21] | jd86: | Hey, anyone here run *two* frontends on one machine? Power is expensive, and running 3 frontends looking forward to adding another is getting costly for just frontend alone |
| [17:36:56] | doc__: | jd86: why should you use multiple frontends over same machine ? |
| [17:37:00] | rsdvd: | justinh : which bit do you want? it builds a 'stage', 'local' and 'share' version |
| [17:37:04] | doc__: | jd86: each frontend attached to a tv ? |
| [17:37:09] | jd86: | yeah, two video cards |
| [17:37:14] | justinh: | rsdvd: I dunno which bit |
| [17:37:14] | doc__: | hehe right :) |
| [17:37:17] | jd86: | each with tv out |
| [17:37:30] | gardengnome: | rsdvd: local and share might be identical |
| [17:37:36] | jd86: | I've done it once, a loooonnnnggg time ago and it also had backend with 2 software encoder cards so it didn't go over well. |
| [17:37:37] | doc__: | jd86: a good idea =) |
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| [17:37:46] | jd86: | so I'm thinking a dedicated frontend machine could run two okay with decent hardware |
| [17:37:55] | jd86: | But I'd love to know someone who'se already done it and might have hints |
| [17:38:02] | rsdvd: | gardengnome : yesh the difference is the inclusion of the css stuff |
| [17:38:26] | justinh: | we can live without playing encrippled dvds for now |
| [17:38:40] | gardengnome: | rsdvd: css? like, DeeVeeDee? |
| [17:38:59] | gardengnome: | rsdvd: did you build minimyth with linux 2.6.20? |
| [17:39:06] | gardengnome: | 2.6.19 wouldn't work for me due to unionfs issues. |
| [17:39:21] | rsdvd: | gardengnome : Ithink the only option at the time was 2.6.19 |
| [17:39:23] | riddlebox: | sorry, I came into this late, but minimyth? |
| [17:39:37] | justinh: | riddlebox: ? |
| [17:39:53] | justinh: | google ? |
| [17:39:53] | rsdvd: | riddlebox : www.linpvr.org |
| [17:40:00] | justinh: | !trout riddlebox google |
| [17:40:00] | ** MythLogBot slaps riddlebox with a google trout on behalf of justinh... ** | |
| [17:40:09] | gardengnome: | rsdvd: 2.6.19 and 2.6.17 which used to be the default |
| [17:40:17] | riddlebox: | justinh, wow touchy today |
| [17:40:32] | justinh: | STFU riddlebox |
| [17:40:33] | rsdvd: | yeah......2.6.19....I thought 2.6.17 was too old |
| [17:40:39] | gardengnome: | anyways, i've got some errands to run. i wouldn't be surprised if minimyth worked mostly out-of-the-box on the s100 by now. |
| [17:40:58] | rsdvd: | gardengnome : if we can only boot it |
| [17:41:46] | justinh: | booting it should be easier than building it was |
| [17:42:01] | rsdvd: | lol lol lol |
| [17:42:15] | rsdvd: | sorry – but I at least understood the build |
| [17:42:20] | jams: | http://jmeyer.us/e107_plugins/autogallery/Gal . . . dvancedX.jpg |
| [17:42:24] | justinh: | I gave up trying to build it on my vmware sesh.. stupid permissions issues |
| [17:42:49] | jams: | justinh , gardengnome – thoughts on the above link ? |
| [17:42:54] | justinh: | jams: nice! |
| [17:44:08] | jams: | cant decide if all that is really required. |
| [17:45:24] | gardengnome: | jams make sure to include some real PAL resolutions ;) |
| [17:45:55] | gardengnome: | jams: do you hard-core all the config settings or did you create some kind of configuration framework using the mythtv libs? |
| [17:46:14] | jams: | gardengnome- its a mix of both, depending on what the setting is |
| [17:46:47] | jams: | the remotes are all filesystem based. |
| [17:47:03] | jams: | so if you have a new remote, you just add it to the correct directory. |
| [17:47:16] | jams: | thinking of doing seomthing like that with X |
| [17:47:55] | gardengnome: | jams: i was thinking of something like a debconf frontend within the mythtv gui. of course, that's not sensible because you don't use debian ;) |
| [17:49:07] | jams: | wow havent used debconf in ages |
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| [17:51:02] | onetwo: | hi is anyone using uk radiotimes xml listings with svn – I think it |
| [17:51:10] | onetwo: | ;s broken |
| [17:51:47] | justinh: | there's an echo in here again |
| [17:53:35] | ** gardengnome has gotta run now, later ** | |
| [17:53:37] | jams: | well guess it's back to making that screen do something besides look pretty |
| [17:53:45] | stuarta: | so does that mean that the uk RT grabber is broken :) |
| [17:54:13] | justinh: | nope – it works here. I dont run svn on my main box & that's the only one here using xmltv |
| [17:56:02] | onetwo: | stuarta:no, when I run mythfilldatabase it failed to generate any outbound packets, but I can run the grabber manually and create a flat file |
| [17:57:00] | ** stuarta uses EIT data, so isn't particularly bothered atm... ** | |
| [17:58:08] | rsdvd: | RT grabber working fine here (but also not SVN) |
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| [18:00:52] | stuarta: | so the summary is... the RT grabber works, but not under svn ???? |
| [18:01:14] | onetwo: | ok, I might clean out and reconfigure before reporting it and look like a fool... bye |
| [18:02:02] | ** stuarta is awaiting info about the situation ** | |
| [18:02:32] | gbee: | the current version of the RT grabber is working perfectly for me under SVN – I did all my testing of the changes in SVN using the RT grabber |
| [18:02:50] | stuarta: | onetwo: what were have you found? |
| [18:03:31] | gbee: | there might be an issue with using an old version of the grabber with SVN, but that applies to most of the grabbers |
| [18:05:10] | gbee: | older grabbers will still work, but may not behave as they have done in the past e.g. the RT grabber is expected to grab all days in one go the new version still does that, the older version won't |
| [18:05:51] | gbee: | but I'd be interested to hear of any problems not related to version issues |
| [18:09:14] | stuarta: | clearly everyone has wandered off.... |
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| [18:10:48] | onetwo: | it was working with svn up to 11785, but I updated to latest svn yesterday, and the channels which used radiotimes are now blank – don't know anymore than that at this stage. I'll try one thing at a time and report back which fixes it – my xml grabbers are all dated november 2005. Thanks for the pointers guys. |
| [18:11:09] | livingtm: | I just connected my MythFrontend to an analog TV for the first time. I noticed that the Nvidia cards SVIDEO out does not center the image in the screen. Can I adjust this? |
| [18:11:21] | justinh: | livingtm: nope |
| [18:11:22] | livingtm: | i know its not a mythtv issue, but figured you guys have dealt with it |
| [18:11:35] | justinh: | you can re-centre the mythtv GUI of course |
| [18:11:38] | livingtm: | overscan helps, but its not perfect |
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| [18:11:47] | livingtm: | yeah? |
| [18:11:58] | justinh: | yeah! |
| [18:12:16] | livingtm: | which settings do that? |
| [18:12:46] | justinh: | hmm I wonder which settings would alter the *appearance* of the mythtv gui.... |
| [18:13:05] | livingtm: | :-P there are hundreds of settings in there :-) |
| [18:13:22] | gbee: | onetwo: the quickest fix would likely be to upgrade xmltv anything from 2005 is pretty old |
| [18:13:46] | justinh: | livingtm: so have a little think about it. you want to offset the GUI position on the screen |
| [18:14:26] | livingtm: | justinh, so maybe set the nvidia to overscan the TV, then use the offsets to push the GUI around? |
| [18:15:07] | justinh: | you catch on so fast! |
| [18:15:18] | gbee: | as far as debugging goes, a log from mythfilldatabase -v xmltv would be a good start point |
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| [18:16:31] | livingtm: | You help people with such care and understanding! |
| [18:16:34] | livingtm: | :-) |
| [18:16:36] | livingtm: | thanks |
| [18:17:43] | Fritz: | is anybody familiar with the error "Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : none of the authentication protocols specified are supported" ? |
| [18:19:07] | Fritz: | but I haven't been able to resolve the error using any of that information |
| [18:23:37] | justinh: | gonna be seeing a mortgage advisor tomorrow. being lazy is costing me too much |
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| [18:29:25] | justinh: | Fritz: I get that error on both my backends – it's nothing to worry about |
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| [18:32:24] | Fritz: | justin, I'm failing to connect to the database, I have been assuming that it is because of that error |
| [18:33:02] | justinh: | my guess is that you're using ubuntu packages, right? |
| [18:33:08] | Fritz: | yes |
| [18:34:14] | justinh: | the mythtv-database package installer script creates a mysql user called 'mythtv' and makes a nifty random password for it. It's so secure & sneaky that it doesn't tell you what that password is – I mean you can't have security if people can actually use the account now can you?! |
| [18:34:38] | Fritz: | I did set a password for mythtv called mythtv |
| [18:34:48] | justinh: | thankfully it stores the mysql login details for the 'mythtv' mysql user in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [18:35:01] | Fritz: | er, password for the mysql user |
| [18:35:05] | Fritz: | let me check that file |
| [18:35:32] | justinh: | well if you set the password yourself it's prolly trying to use the old random one |
| [18:35:46] | justinh: | update all mysql.txt files to reflect the correct login details |
| [18:36:39] | Fritz: | should the DBhostname also be set to an external IP in that file? |
| [18:36:39] | justinh: | and while you're on, scribble on the ubuntu wiki so none of this nonsense continues. it's becoming very tiresome now |
| [18:37:14] | justinh: | depends on whether or not mysql is bound to use that IP address if it's the backend machine |
| [18:37:36] | Fritz: | I'll do that. It's pretty silly that it isn't mentioned in any of the 4 or 5 "ubuntu edgy and mythtv" guides I've dug up |
| [18:37:51] | Fritz: | it is bound to the external address, so I'll change it |
| [18:38:58] | justinh: | ubunut is likely to start losing 'flavour of the month' status if it's not careful |
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| [18:39:43] | Fritz: | I wonder if debian has this issue, it's what I used previously, but not with mythtv |
| [18:40:19] | jams: | for me ubunta lost that status(if it ever had it) about a day after installing it |
| [18:41:08] | Fritz: | I've used ubuntu-server for quite a while now, it's pretty much like using debian with more reliable package updates |
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| [18:43:12] | LordGamer: | hi all |
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| [18:45:25] | LordGamer: | I am having some trouble installing myth under the Ubuntu OS every time I try to install myth only the Myth Front end shows up in Audio and Video but thats it I dont supoise there is a compelte mythtv.deb? |
| [18:46:07] | S2: | LordGamer, just apt-get install mythtv |
| [18:46:19] | justinh: | /ignore *ubuntu* |
| [18:46:47] | ** justinh goes to look for some word filtering irssi stuff ** | |
| [18:48:24] | LordGamer: | yup |
| [18:48:41] | LordGamer: | Reading package lists... Done |
| [18:48:41] | LordGamer: | Building dependency tree |
| [18:48:41] | LordGamer: | Reading state information... Done |
| [18:48:48] | LordGamer: | E: Couldn't find package Mythtv |
| [18:48:58] | Fritz: | you need to add multiverse and make sure that universe is active |
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| [18:49:30] | LordGamer: | they are under software sources |
| [18:51:15] | Fritz: | open up /etc/apt/sources.list and find the lines containing "multiverse" |
| [18:51:48] | Fritz: | to make sure that they are really there, personally I don't trust the gui editor for apt sources |
| [18:51:57] | Zider: | multiverse.. sounds like something from a scifi book |
| [18:53:40] | justinh: | software suppositories |
| [18:53:41] | LordGamer: | there are 4 lines with multi verse |
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| [18:54:50] | Fritz: | oh wait a minute, apt-get is case sensitive, it needs to be "mythtv" not "Mythtv" |
| [18:55:19] | LordGamer: | ah ha preparing |
| [18:55:51] | LordGamer: | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of mythtv: |
| [18:55:51] | LordGamer: | mythtv depends on mythtv-database (= 0.20–0.2ubuntu2); however: |
| [18:55:51] | LordGamer: | Package mythtv-database is not configured yet. |
| [18:55:51] | LordGamer: | dpkg: error processing mythtv (--configure): |
| [18:55:51] | LordGamer: | dependency problems – leaving unconfigured |
| [18:55:52] | LordGamer: | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| [18:55:53] | LordGamer: | mythtv-database |
| [18:55:55] | LordGamer: | mythtv |
| [18:55:58] | LordGamer: | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| [18:56:02] | Zider: | I thought debian (and friends) called them repositories, not uni/multiverses |
| [18:56:44] | Fritz: | universe and multiverse are each different repository names |
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| [18:56:59] | Zider: | aha' |
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| [18:57:26] | [Jasper]: | hello guys! |
| [18:57:32] | Fritz: | universe includes all of the unsupported but free packages, multiverse is all of the semi questionable stuff like codecs |
| [18:57:34] | [Jasper]: | can anyone advice me on hdmi or dvi ? |
| [18:57:36] | [Jasper]: | what to pick |
| [18:57:40] | [Jasper]: | laying cables in my new home |
| [18:57:41] | Fritz: | lordgamer, have you installed anything manually? |
| [18:57:56] | justinh: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu#Ubuntu |
| [18:58:09] | LordGamer: | the front end I think |
| [18:58:24] | Fritz: | oh wait |
| [18:58:34] | Fritz: | I know this error, one second |
| [18:58:39] | LordGamer: | ok |
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| [18:59:41] | Fritz: | actually, I don't remember the command off of the top of my head, but if you choose the mythtv package using synaptic instead of the command line it shouldn't come up |
| [18:59:45] | lnx^: | heya |
| [18:59:57] | lnx^: | does mythvideo .20 support subtitles? |
| [19:00:13] | lnx^: | i.e. can i watch an .avi with subtitles using the internal player? |
| [19:00:21] | LordGamer: | I tried that before and I only got the from end |
| [19:00:45] | LordGamer: | front |
| [19:00:57] | sebrock: | does anyone have an idea to why when I try to patch a diff file nothing happens |
| [19:01:28] | Kabutor: | there is a problem in search engine in mail list so.. |
| [19:01:36] | Kabutor: | how can I make a mythvideo-playlist ? |
| [19:01:57] | Kabutor: | I have a lot of 5 minutes videos (pocoyo ones) |
| [19:02:06] | justinh: | Kabutor: you can't |
| [19:02:10] | gardengnome: | sebrock: patch --your-options < patch.diff |
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| [19:02:25] | sebrock: | aha I missed the < |
| [19:02:27] | sebrock: | thank you |
| [19:02:32] | Fritz: | try this command lordgamer "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=dialog sudo apt-get install mythtv" |
| [19:02:39] | Kabutor: | so I have to cat all of them together.. |
| [19:02:42] | justinh: | or rather, you can make a playlist that xine or mplayer can use, and associate the playlist file to an external player |
| [19:03:01] | LordGamer: | ok I will try that |
| [19:03:15] | Kabutor: | I dont know how to do a playlist in mplayer.. Im going to seacrh for that |
| [19:03:52] | justinh: | just a text file with lines of filenames in it IIRC |
| [19:04:07] | Kabutor: | I see mplayer -playlist playlist.txt |
| [19:04:32] | justinh: | associate text files (.txt) to that command in mythvideo :) |
| [19:04:49] | justinh: | and if anybody asks how to do that the trout will be returning |
| [19:05:04] | gardengnome: | how can i do that |
| [19:05:06] | gardengnome: | plz help |
| [19:05:16] | justinh: | !trout gardengnome frozen |
| [19:05:16] | ** MythLogBot slaps gardengnome with a frozen trout on behalf of justinh... ** | |
| [19:05:22] | lnx^: | so should external subtitles work in the internal video player? |
| [19:06:03] | justinh: | external subtitles? sounds a bit 31337 |
| [19:06:20] | Zider: | I guess he means a .srt file |
| [19:06:29] | justinh: | I know |
| [19:06:30] | ** gardengnome wonders about internal subtitles in an external player ** | |
| [19:06:31] | gardengnome: | ;) |
| [19:06:51] | lnx^: | :P |
| [19:06:59] | ** justinh tries a new ubunut suppository ** | |
| [19:07:11] | Zider: | I'm just waiting for any subtitles with the internal player when playing matroaska files :P |
| [19:07:23] | Zider: | matroska |
| [19:07:28] | lnx^: | the internal player works so well for everything, i wouldn't want to switch to xine only for subtitles |
| [19:07:40] | lnx^: | are .srts supposed to work? |
| [19:07:49] | justinh: | don't think so |
| [19:08:19] | immolo: | don't most players automaticly just play subtitles if they are the same name as the video file? |
| [19:08:25] | justinh: | if not, it really sucks because nobody has written it to do that yet. sounds like more patches to look forward to |
| [19:08:53] | lnx^: | yeah. I'll just wait for the coming versions and live with xine until then or something |
| [19:08:59] | lnx^: | immolo: yeah, mplayer/xine do that |
| [19:09:24] | immolo: | ah not really tried internal |
| [19:09:27] | justinh: | I still use external players anyway – better performance |
| [19:09:58] | justinh: | (sadly) |
| [19:10:38] | immolo: | I like mplayer |
| [19:10:53] | justinh: | mplayer doesn't yet do menus, so I prefer xine |
| [19:11:06] | Kabutor: | Yay for me playlist works! |
| [19:11:06] | immolo: | justinh- support is in lastest |
| [19:11:08] | Kabutor: | :D |
| [19:11:17] | justinh: | Kabutor: yay for me, you mean |
| [19:11:31] | Kabutor: | Well.. Yay for you as well |
| [19:11:34] | Kabutor: | :D |
| [19:11:35] | justinh: | immolo: I know, but only in cvs |
| [19:12:16] | immolo: | yeah the cvs is alittle flaky too but atleast its there |
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| [19:12:20] | lnx^: | i prefer the internal player because my remote works with it automatically |
| [19:12:28] | Zider: | I like the internal player for dvds and anything with multiple audio/sub tracks, but prefer mplayer for avis and stuff because of the way I can jump different lengths in a file |
| [19:13:55] | LordGamer: | I got a lue screen pop up saything I must login to the X sever as the mythtv user or arange to have the user have access to the X server |
| [19:14:06] | LordGamer: | the only option is OL is that normal? |
| [19:14:10] | LordGamer: | Ok |
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| [19:29:41] | sandeen: | i can't make the internal player work w/ ripped dvds :( |
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| [19:51:17] | LordGamer: | well that was a bust |
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| [20:01:25] | doc__: | gmf... |
| [20:01:30] | doc__: | I don't understand... |
| [20:01:55] | doc__: | watching recorded with hd install works right, but nfs remote boot doesn't |
| [20:02:02] | doc__: | there is a lot of prebuffering pause |
| [20:04:05] | gbee: | one is using streaming and the other uses nfs to access the recordings? |
| [20:04:18] | doc__: | nope... both use mythfrontend |
| [20:04:43] | timothyp: | Hello, I'm looking for some ivtv support. It worked perfectly until today. Nothing has been changed or updated, no kernel upgrades have been made. It just died on me. I pasted the output of dmesg here http://blogs.homelinux.org/2007/02/11/did-i-m . . . not-like-me/ |
| [20:05:01] | gbee: | what I mean is mythfrontend can access the recordings in two ways, streaming through the backend or directly accessing the recordings |
| [20:05:07] | timothyp: | it says that ivtv disagrees about version of symbol |
| [20:05:19] | doc__: | gbee: uh... where is it configured ? |
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| [20:07:46] | doc__: | :? |
| [20:08:02] | gbee: | I believe it's figured out automatically but don't ask me how it works, never used nfs to share the recordings dir |
| [20:08:46] | doc__: | right :/ |
| [20:11:06] | gbee: | my guess is that it thinks the frontend and the backend are on the same machine and so accesses the recordings directly, instead of streaming them – that can cause problems because some NFS settings aren't optimised for video |
| [20:11:47] | gbee: | but I could be entirely wrong |
| [20:12:29] | doc__: | mmm... |
| [20:12:43] | doc__: | i tried with frontend installed in hd on another pc and works right |
| [20:12:53] | doc__: | but with diskless over nfs, get prebuffering |
| [20:12:59] | doc__: | there is something wrong :/ |
| [20:15:53] | gbee: | try doing some searching in google on mythtv and NFS – look for something discussing the correct NFS settings (wsize, rsize etc) |
| [20:17:38] | doc__: | lets see... |
| [20:17:48] | gbee: | main thing to try, is turning off attribute caching |
| [20:18:53] | gbee: | although that mainly fixes a different issue so you can probably ignore what I just said |
| [20:19:00] | gbee: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Optimizing_Performance |
| [20:19:47] | doc__: | really... i don't know where to mount remote in order to get frontend using it |
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| [20:20:35] | Fritz: | timothy- that error does mean that the module you are using for ivtv seems to have been compiled against a different kernel |
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| [20:20:53] | Fritz: | timothy- did you build ivtv yourself? |
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| [20:22:40] | timothyp: | yes |
| [20:22:46] | timothyp: | it worked for like 3 weeks :) |
| [20:22:48] | timothyp: | without a glitch :) |
| [20:23:12] | timothyp: | I even installed it exactly the same way on another system and it worked :) |
| [20:23:37] | timothyp: | it's like something has changed the modules or the firmware, but I have no idea what, and trying to put the oringnals back in /lib/firmware does not solve anything |
| [20:27:11] | doc__: | mmm and now... |
| [20:27:14] | doc__: | backend shows it |
| [20:27:21] | doc__: | taking too long to be allowed to read |
| [20:27:25] | doc__: | mmm... |
| [20:27:30] | quink: | timothyp: just jumpin gin here...you are having trouble with ivtv not loading hte firmware? |
| [20:27:47] | doc__: | RingBuf(/opt/mythtv/recorded/1140_20070211183000.mpg): Taking too long to be allowed to read.. |
| [20:27:50] | doc__: | :???? |
| [20:28:33] | timothyp: | guing if hte is the , then yes :) if hte is something else then I don't know :) |
| [20:28:45] | doc__: | may be mythflagging.... |
| [20:29:09] | quink: | what? |
| [20:29:34] | c0re: | anyone get this error mesage when installing nuvexport? "nuvexport requires either the cvs or svn version of ffmpeg" looks like this happened because I used an rpm for the install.... |
| [20:30:12] | c0re: | ffmpeg is installed but im not using svn or cvs? |
| [20:30:17] | immolo: | c0re- install ffmpeg from svn :P |
| [20:30:51] | c0re: | usin google... unable to find the package |
| [20:30:53] | quink: | i think the problem is he doesn't konw what svn or cvs is. |
| [20:31:05] | quink: | probably have to compile it yourself from a more current version |
| [20:31:16] | c0re: | test version i think? |
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| [20:32:21] | quink: | more like a beta version. |
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| [20:33:13] | c0re: | i was able to use yum to remove... then used the "latest version" tar file with the make install |
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| [20:33:24] | c0re: | still getting the error |
| [20:34:47] | immolo: | c0re- have you used svn before? |
| [20:34:56] | c0re: | noep lol |
| [20:35:11] | immolo: | ok |
| [20:35:26] | immolo: | have you compiled a program before? |
| [20:35:45] | c0re: | once, using a walkthru |
| [20:35:51] | immolo: | ok great |
| [20:35:55] | c0re: | =) |
| [20:35:56] | immolo: | svn checkout svn://svn.mplayerhq.hu/ffmpeg/trunk ffmpeg |
| [20:36:09] | immolo: | this will download the lastest ffmpeg source |
| [20:36:18] | immolo: | then cd ffmpeg |
| [20:36:22] | immolo: | and read the INSTALL file |
| [20:36:38] | c0re: | ok got it |
| [20:36:45] | immolo: | I can't help you too much as the beer is going to my head :P |
| [20:37:15] | immolo: | but post your problems if you get any |
| [20:37:16] | c0re: | thats a good start, thx immolo |
| [20:37:33] | xris: | c0re: upgrade nuvexport |
| [20:37:46] | xris: | atrpms uses the svn version of ffmpeg, but puts in their own version string. |
| [20:37:53] | xris: | latest version of nuvexport should detect it properly |
| [20:38:26] | xris: | c0re: sudo rpm -Uvh http://forevermore.net/files/nuvexport/nuvexp . . . n.noarch.rpm |
| [20:38:27] | immolo: | oh xris I never got chance to thank you for your help last night |
| [20:38:40] | ** xris was apparently too buzzed to remember. :) ** | |
| [20:38:49] | c0re: | on it thx xris |
| [20:38:53] | immolo: | thats ok then :P |
| [20:39:01] | c0re: | you guys are awesome |
| [20:39:03] | xris: | you're welcome, though. :) |
| [20:39:20] | xris: | c0re: helps to be able to talk to the author when you're having trouble. :) |
| [20:39:38] | c0re: | very cool! |
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| [20:43:03] | xris: | c0re: works now? |
| [20:43:55] | c0re: | one sec cleaning up a mess in my tmp folder |
| [20:44:33] | quink: | any of you using an asoundrc file nad willing to share what your's looks like? |
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| [20:46:13] | c0re: | Unrecognized escape v passed through at /usr/share/nuvexport/export/ffmpeg.pm line 72. |
| [20:46:13] | c0re: | This version of nuvexport requires either the cvs or svn version of ffmpeg. |
| [20:46:55] | xris: | oops |
| [20:46:56] | xris: | hang on |
| [20:47:01] | c0re: | np |
| [20:48:23] | xris: | rpm -Uvh http://forevermore.net/files/nuvexport/nuvexp . . . n.noarch.rpm |
| [20:49:15] | xris: | typo |
| [20:50:21] | c0re: | u are the man!!! w00t! |
| [20:50:27] | c0re: | thx again |
| [20:51:12] | xris: | np |
| [20:51:16] | xris: | thanks for finding bugs :) |
| [20:55:33] | doc__: | argggg... |
| [20:55:36] | doc__: | finally fixed... |
| [20:55:42] | doc__: | it was a problem of network overhead :/ |
| [21:00:32] | mythbox is now known as robbins876 | |
| [21:01:36] | robbins876: | I just installed myth on a fresh install of fedora core 6 and i'm running into this issue when i try to run mythtv-setup or mythfrontend...[mythbox@localhost ~]$ mythtv-setup |
| [21:01:37] | robbins876: | mythtv-setup: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libmythavcodec-0.20.so.0: cannot restore segment prot after reloc: Permission denied |
| [21:01:37] | robbins876: | |
| [21:01:50] | robbins876: | anyone have any ideas what the deal is? |
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| [21:04:29] | xris: | robbins876: atrpms packages? |
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| [21:06:13] | xris: | cesman: so how'd the show go? |
| [21:07:17] | Anduin: | xris: It was SELinux being helpful. |
| [21:07:27] | xris: | Anduin: ?? |
| [21:07:40] | Anduin: | xris: The error robbins876 was seeing |
| [21:07:42] | xris: | ahh |
| [21:07:43] | xris: | thx |
| [21:08:01] | xris: | we should figure out how to get around selinux issues and provide a conf file for it. would help a lot of people. |
| [21:08:13] | justinh: | re |
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| [21:10:00] | ** xris digs kormoc's badhosts script... invalid login attempts are cut to like 3/day now down from 900+ ** | |
| [21:10:15] | cake: | hey guys, anyone install mythtv on ubuntu edgy? |
| [21:10:31] | justinh: | someone please make ubunut go away :) |
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| [21:11:00] | cake: | not helpful :p |
| [21:11:03] | justinh: | Anduin: sorry for the windows-ness of that patch btw. won't happen again |
| [21:11:16] | hads: | xris: Yeah, I use fail2ban, great things aren't they. |
| [21:11:48] | justinh: | cake: tried searching the mythtv wiki or the ubuntu wiki? |
| [21:12:06] | Anduin: | justinh: Yeah, it is ok, it wasn't a problem for me (just better to get it right so it looks better in trac) |
| [21:12:20] | cake: | justinh: yup |
| [21:12:26] | cake: | erm |
| [21:12:27] | cake: | no |
| [21:12:31] | cake: | i tried the forum |
| [21:12:33] | hads: | cake: Well there are howtos there. |
| [21:12:34] | cake: | first |
| [21:12:38] | cake: | ill check it |
| [21:12:51] | cake: | thx for pointing out the ever so obvious way.. |
| [21:12:53] | cake: | brb |
| [21:12:55] | justinh: | Anduin: no rush to get it checked in, but does it look ok? |
| [21:12:59] | hads: | I believe one on each wiki even |
| [21:13:38] | Anduin: | justinh: I didn't actually use it, but yeah it looks fine, I'm going to spend a few hours today committing things, it is on the list. |
| [21:14:41] | justinh: | Anduin: :) cheers |
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| [21:15:53] | media: | I have an lcdproc question but I can't find another channel about it so I thought this would be the best place to ask. lcdproc is working but the text/display is just garbaged. Any ideas? |
| [21:16:18] | gbee: | media: possibly the wrong driver |
| [21:16:50] | gbee: | some of them are quite closely related, so you get output but not correctly displayed |
| [21:16:55] | xris: | hads: I just turn off selinux |
| [21:17:00] | xris: | it breaks too much of my life. |
| [21:17:39] | hads: | Hmm, I didn't know we were discussing selinux (I don't use it either) I thought we were talking failed ssh logins |
| [21:19:43] | xris: | hads: ahh. yeah, haven't seen fail2ban, but kormoc's stuff is a plugin to sec.. keeps an sqlite db and uses hosts.deny |
| [21:21:03] | gbee: | media: if the device is an HD44780 based, then try switching the connection type in the lcdproc config – e.g. between 8bit winamp, 4 bit etc |
| [21:21:33] | xris: | I actually like the hosts.deny stuff.. once kormoc and I finish this stuff, it'll let us comment when/why in the file. |
| [21:22:12] | hads: | Fair enough |
| [21:22:45] | gbee: | just be careful, I take no resposibility if you fry the LCD |
| [21:24:02] | [Jasper]: | hej guys |
| [21:24:06] | [Jasper]: | just one question |
| [21:24:08] | [Jasper]: | hdmi or dvi? |
| [21:25:50] | jams: | [Jasper]- that more depends on your TV then anything else |
| [21:25:59] | justinh: | YMMV, your home may be at risk if you set fire to it, etc |
| [21:26:10] | jams: | some sets have overscan on hdmi but not dvi |
| [21:26:26] | jams: | and for others it doens't make a bit of difference |
| [21:26:30] | [Jasper]: | I have no tv yet |
| [21:26:36] | [Jasper]: | that's why I ask |
| [21:26:42] | [Jasper]: | I'm laying cables in my new house |
| [21:26:49] | [Jasper]: | don't know wether to go with hdmi or dvi |
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| [21:37:02] | xris: | [Jasper]: pick the tv first.. you don't want "hdmi or dvi" to be the first thing you use to reject possible models |
| [21:38:37] | robbins876: | you think you can really see the difference between an xbox 360 running component cables and one running off of hdmi, xris? |
| [21:38:56] | justinh: | robbins876: I reckon yeah – one's analogue & one's digital |
| [21:39:09] | robbins876: | but where would you really see the difference? truer blacks? |
| [21:39:16] | justinh: | the digital signal will miss out a D/A & A/D stage |
| [21:39:24] | xris: | robbins876: I have no idea. never even seen an xbox 360 out of the box. |
| [21:39:37] | xris: | or an hdtv up close, for that matter. |
| [21:39:52] | justinh: | clearer picture, perfect sync & timing... |
| [21:40:05] | robbins876: | justinh: you hear about the black xbox that's coming out? |
| [21:40:21] | justinh: | ultimately depends how good the component input is on your tv |
| [21:40:21] | xris: | robbins876: but justinh is correct.. you always want digital over analog in this case. |
| [21:40:46] | justinh: | these days I hear "expensive new console" news & just ignore it |
| [21:41:11] | robbins876: | i have it running through component right now, but i'd love to check it out over HDMI, just dotn' know if it's going to be worth buying one of the new xboxs with HDMI support |
| [21:42:10] | ** xris is saving up for a wii. small, quiet, doesn't cost a fortune. ** | |
| [21:42:26] | robbins876: | xris: save your money |
| [21:42:29] | GreyFoxx: | justinh: It's not as loud as the original xbox imho, but it's not silent |
| [21:42:38] | robbins876: | my roommmate bought one and it's really not as fun as i had expected |
| [21:42:40] | GreyFoxx: | No louder than a pc behind the tv |
| [21:42:41] | justinh: | if it's not silent it ain't going in my livingroom |
| [21:42:42] | xris: | robbins876: oh? I've heard nothing but good about them from friends who own them. |
| [21:42:48] | robbins876: | the controls are almost counter intuitive |
| [21:42:56] | robbins876: | they're shotty and don't often work up to par |
| [21:42:57] | justinh: | the epia with HSF mod has set the mark :) |
| [21:42:59] | xris: | robbins876: I mainly want to replace my gamecube and dvd player. |
| [21:43:51] | justinh: | plus by the time h.264 HDTV comes thru my aerial here I reckon I'll be able to afford hardware good enough to play it on & run it quietly |
| [21:44:16] | justinh: | at least 5 years :) |
| [21:44:54] | justinh: | for the 1st time in my life I'm looking fwd to speaking to a mortgage advisor |
| [21:45:00] | justinh: | save me loads of money! |
| [21:45:21] | ** gardengnome gets h.264 hdtv through his cable ;) ** | |
| [21:45:57] | justinh: | so do we here apparently. I'm not paying $thruthenose for it though |
| [21:46:02] | gardengnome: | heh |
| [21:46:16] | gardengnome: | neither do it, especially because i can't decrypt it legally with mythtv. |
| [21:46:25] | justinh: | certainly not paying that much for me to be unable to do anything in mythtv with it |
| [21:46:33] | gardengnome: | and my poor core 2 duo chokes on it. ffmpeg is not omgoptimized enough yet |
| [21:46:47] | justinh: | it will be eventually though :) |
| [21:47:20] | gardengnome: | yep |
| [21:51:08] | justinh: | sometime before it falls out would be good |
| [21:51:44] | gardengnome: | just cover it with trash bags. like that guy on vrock |
| [21:51:56] | justinh: | got enough equity in the house, so might bob that onto the mortgage |
| [21:52:02] | justinh: | lol |
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| [21:52:28] | tcpsyn_: | would adding memory make myth unstable? |
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| [21:52:48] | justinh: | tcpsyn_: if the memory is faulty, I suppose it might |
| [21:52:53] | hads: | Would if it was bad :) |
| [21:52:59] | tcpsyn_: | I just ran a memtest on it over night.. |
| [21:53:03] | tcpsyn_: | and it passed.. |
| [21:53:16] | tcpsyn_: | I guess i'll have to just take it out and see if there's still an issue. |
| [21:53:30] | justinh: | if you added the memory while the box was powered up I'd expect mythbackend to crash |
| [21:53:43] | ** xris wonders why SOOO many rpm packagers use "perl in sed mode" instead of just using sed. ** | |
| [21:53:46] | tcpsyn_: | this is just a frontend |
| [21:53:55] | hads: | I'd expect the box to crash |
| [21:54:26] | tcpsyn_: | hrm, I'll try bouncing the backend. |
| [21:55:41] | tcpsyn_: | It either segfaults right when I start mythfrontend, or right when I switch to watch tv or recordings. |
| [21:55:57] | justinh: | how much ram did it have before anyway? |
| [21:56:04] | tcpsyn_: | 1G |
| [21:56:07] | tcpsyn_: | and I added 1G |
| [21:56:10] | justinh: | if you're using blootube-wide you need about 8G |
| [21:56:24] | tcpsyn_: | Heh. I am, but it worked fine with 1G :) |
| [21:56:27] | Zider: | based on Vista tech? ;) |
| [21:56:28] | xris: | justinh: I was under the impression that GANT used more than blootube. |
| [21:56:45] | justinh: | blootube-wide is the baddie |
| [21:56:47] | tcpsyn_: | blootube rocks. |
| [21:56:54] | xris: | justinh: ahh... |
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| [21:57:08] | xris: | need to get myth to support jpg or some other lossy format. |
| [21:57:09] | gardengnome: | xris: RAM usage: http://www.pastebin.ca/351021 |
| [21:57:10] | xris: | or jp2 |
| [21:57:23] | justinh: | xris: doesn't make any odds |
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| [21:57:34] | justinh: | all the graphics use the same amount of ram once they're loaded |
| [21:57:38] | gardengnome: | xris: that won't help much because myth holds all theme images in memory. uncompressed. |
| [21:57:47] | justinh: | scaled & uncompressed |
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| [21:58:06] | justinh: | I wonder just how necessary the pre-scaling is these days |
| [21:58:36] | justinh: | probably not necessary at all with opengl, but I wonder about the qt painter |
| [21:59:37] | justinh: | and no I'm not gonna look into doing a patch for that. I know my limits :) |
| [21:59:50] | xris: | gardengnome: ahhhh |
| [22:00:13] | justinh: | ****-wide will come as a pleasant surprise to y'all when it's out |
| [22:00:21] | quink: | anyone here want to help me setup an asroundrc file? I can't figure it out. |
| [22:00:50] | justinh: | quink: apparently the mythtv wiki has a very good page about that but even with that I was lost |
| [22:01:07] | quink: | thats hwat i'm going off. |
| [22:01:19] | quink: | when i try aplay -D ALSA:anything it won't play |
| [22:01:41] | justinh: | what does aplay -L show ? |
| [22:01:44] | sunnyhours4130: | wow i just checked screenshots. blootube is very nice |
| [22:02:11] | xris: | sunnyhours4130: we're hoping that it'll be the new default theme |
| [22:02:39] | sunnyhours4130: | xris: nice. i came in halfway through the conversation. are there memory usage issues with it? |
| [22:02:39] | quink: | hm. pastebin isn't working |
| [22:02:44] | justinh: | god can I just not help pimping themes?! |
| [22:02:52] | sunnyhours4130: | haha |
| [22:02:56] | justinh: | sunnyhours4130: blootube-wide uses a *lot* of memory |
| [22:03:13] | sunnyhours4130: | oh, cool. i don't have a wide tv so that doesn't matter to me = (yet) |
| [22:03:22] | hads: | My 512MB FE/BE handles it. |
| [22:03:26] | justinh: | it has very big graphics, mostly the images associated with the menu buttons |
| [22:03:35] | justinh: | blootube on the other hand has tiny ones by comparison |
| [22:03:40] | gardengnome: | sunnyhours4130: http://www.pastebin.ca/351021 |
| [22:03:42] | sunnyhours4130: | oh true |
| [22:03:52] | quink: | http://optimusprimal.com/~quink/aplay.out |
| [22:04:13] | xris: | hads: depends on resolution |
| [22:04:18] | sunnyhours4130: | oh thats very useful. i liked grayhem too =) |
| [22:04:38] | sunnyhours4130: | tho i don't use myth very much. still trying to get lirc working correctly |
| [22:04:40] | hads: | xris: Yes, good point. It's an oder CRT so I'm only running it at PAL res. |
| [22:05:05] | jablk1: | i've installed mythtv on one computer and successfully ripped some dvds |
| [22:05:14] | jablk1: | the imdb integration is very nice |
| [22:05:17] | ** justinh phones the MPAA ** | |
| [22:05:34] | jablk1: | i understand mythtv is a network distributed architecture? |
| [22:05:44] | sunnyhours4130: | can be |
| [22:05:54] | jablk1: | if i install the mythtv front end on another machine on the network |
| [22:06:01] | jablk1: | say connected to my tv |
| [22:06:15] | sunnyhours4130: | that works. you can have the backend on a different machine |
| [22:06:17] | jablk1: | will i see the riped videos? |
| [22:06:22] | sunnyhours4130: | yup |
| [22:06:32] | sunnyhours4130: | i've never done it, but that's a pretty common use |
| [22:06:37] | tcpsyn_: | no love, I changed the theme, rebooted the backend.. still segfaults when I try to start a recording. |
| [22:06:47] | jablk1: | great |
| [22:06:54] | sunnyhours4130: | yep =) |
| [22:06:59] | jablk1: | so the front end needs to connect to the myth backend |
| [22:07:11] | jablk1: | it also needs to connect to the same database server? |
| [22:07:25] | jablk1: | or should the two front ends use different databases? |
| [22:07:32] | justinh: | same database |
| [22:07:41] | jablk1: | gotcha |
| [22:07:44] | jablk1: | thanks |
| [22:08:15] | jablk1: | if using the same database, can i run both frontends at the same time |
| [22:08:21] | jablk1: | or are there concurrency issues? |
| [22:08:34] | hads: | Na, that's fine |
| [22:08:35] | justinh: | you could have separate systems on the network – like one mythtv front & backend system & a different set – but then that defeats the object of a client-server system |
| [22:09:03] | justinh: | the only issue you'll run into is that only one frontend can use a tuner at once |
| [22:09:10] | jablk1: | in the later case i would see a different video library on the second setup? |
| [22:09:14] | hads: | jablk1: It's exactly what it's designed for though. |
| [22:09:27] | jablk1: | justinh: @tuner, makes sense |
| [22:09:43] | quink: | justinh: see the file? |
| [22:10:03] | justinh: | looking |
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| [22:10:49] | quink: | do you use an asoundrc file? |
| [22:11:22] | sunnyhours4130: | the installation documentation on lirc.org isn't making any sense to me. can anyone suggest a good howto for homebrew serial port receiver on knoppmyth? |
| [22:11:25] | quink: | my only problem is i get 'digital' sounds piped to my analog output if i enable ac3 passthrough |
| [22:11:29] | justinh: | I used to. oh man it sucked |
| [22:11:40] | quink: | but thats the only way my receiver can get surround sound |
| [22:11:53] | justinh: | sunnyhours4130: the knoppmyth documentation? |
| [22:12:04] | justinh: | or pop into #knoppmyth :) |
| [22:12:06] | sunnyhours4130: | justinh: that was ever worse. i tried the knoppmythwiki |
| [22:12:28] | sunnyhours4130: | aghhh theres like 10 people in there, no one's even home =) |
| [22:12:44] | justinh: | go to SCALE & hassle them there :-P |
| [22:12:51] | sunnyhours4130: | what's scale? |
| [22:12:57] | ** justinh wonders how SCALE went ** | |
| [22:13:12] | justinh: | south california linux expo or something |
| [22:13:26] | sunnyhours4130: | ohhh |
| [22:13:47] | quink: | oh scale was this weekend? damn i was going to go. |
| [22:13:48] | quink: | hah. |
| [22:13:53] | robbins876: | other than pastebin.ca, what's another good pastebin? |
| [22:13:56] | sunnyhours4130: | is there a distro that's typically thought of as easier to get lirc running in? |
| [22:14:04] | justinh: | pastebina.ca or pastebin.ca |
| [22:14:12] | justinh: | sunnyhours4130: any distro |
| [22:14:22] | immolo: | sunnyhours4130- i found gento |
| [22:14:42] | immolo: | but yeah any distro just compile from source |
| [22:14:51] | justinh: | sunnyhours4130: if there are no ready config files for your remote it's easy to make them |
| [22:15:20] | justinh: | the knoppmyth installer should have automagically sorted stuff out for the driver to work |
| [22:15:37] | sunnyhours4130: | yeah, should have. i thought it would |
| [22:15:39] | justinh: | irrecord, to make your own lircd.conf file |
| [22:15:44] | sunnyhours4130: | i did that |
| [22:15:48] | sunnyhours4130: | and that worked |
| [22:15:57] | justinh: | good :) |
| [22:16:17] | justinh: | did you restart the lirc daemon after making the file & copying it to the right place? |
| [22:16:24] | sunnyhours4130: | yup |
| [22:16:42] | sunnyhours4130: | wait... i had it in /etc, and /etc/lirc not sure if that was right |
| [22:16:58] | justinh: | what happens when you run irw ? |
| [22:17:10] | justinh: | does it just sit there or does it return you to a prompt right away? |
| [22:17:17] | sunnyhours4130: | just sat there |
| [22:17:55] | justinh: | does mode2 work ? |
| [22:18:12] | sunnyhours4130: | yup |
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| [22:20:00] | sunnyhours4130: | actually but now i've played with it so much that i may as well start over. i think i'm going to try to throw kubuntu on that box and try lirc again from scratch |
| [22:21:36] | cake: | i keep getting: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| [22:21:51] | xris: | cake: did you grant permissions on the db? |
| [22:21:53] | cake: | even after i consulted troubleshooting and fixed the mythtv user passwd to mythtv |
| [22:22:06] | cake: | hm, might be the prob |
| [22:22:16] | xris: | cake: how did you install mythtv? |
| [22:22:33] | quink: | well this is highly annoying. |
| [22:25:36] | sunnyhours4130: | hmm.... maybe since knoppmyth comes configured with the hauppauge remote, i'll just buy a hauppauge tuner card with the remote |
| [22:25:50] | sunnyhours4130: | (which isn't a very linux-y attitude) |
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| [22:26:52] | cake: | xris: apt-get install .. |
| [22:27:15] | cake: | i can mysql -u mythtv -p |
| [22:27:19] | justinh: | cake: the mythtv-database installer script makes a mysql user called mythtv. it then makes a random password for that mysql user which it stores in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [22:27:24] | cake: | so the pw is correct etc |
| [22:27:36] | cake: | right |
| [22:27:37] | xris: | cake: sudo updatedb && locate mysql.txt |
| [22:27:37] | cake: | oki |
| [22:27:46] | justinh: | !trout ubuntu frozen |
| [22:27:46] | ** MythLogBot slaps ubuntu with a frozen trout on behalf of justinh... ** | |
| [22:27:47] | tank-man: | justinh, it isnt random |
| [22:27:49] | cake: | its in /etc/mythttv |
| [22:27:49] | xris: | oh, ubuntu |
| [22:27:51] | xris: | blech. |
| [22:27:59] | xris: | cake: check the password in there. |
| [22:28:11] | justinh: | tank-man: it was pretty damn random to my eyes |
| [22:28:37] | QuesarVII: | I have an idea for a myth tv setup. |
| [22:29:05] | QuesarVII: | I'd like to use firewire input for all of my non premium channels, and my regular capture card for premiums. |
| [22:29:10] | tank-man: | well, mine is mythtv/mythtv |
| [22:29:30] | xris: | QuesarVII: your cableco doens't give you premiums over firewire? |
| [22:29:37] | QuesarVII: | but i would need to set it up so that only one tuner can be used at a time, which is different than a regular dual tuner setup |
| [22:29:51] | QuesarVII: | I just tried and couldn't get hbo over firewire |
| [22:30:15] | QuesarVII: | i have a regular box now, but I just tried on my neighbor's high def box |
| [22:30:21] | xris: | QuesarVII: that sucks... |
| [22:30:33] | QuesarVII: | I could get some hd channels that weren't 5C'ed though |
| [22:30:45] | cake: | Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed |
| [22:30:48] | cake: | doh |
| [22:30:51] | cake: | it seems like it started tho |
| [22:31:07] | cake: | its running alright |
| [22:31:13] | QuesarVII: | I use a bttv card for recording. |
| [22:31:44] | QuesarVII: | I just thought of an even better resource usage if I can make it work.. |
| [22:31:55] | riddlebox: | what app does the dvd player in myth use? and how can I make it run in full screen mode? it is always like wide screen |
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| [22:33:04] | QuesarVII: | I can have a coax line going to the bttv card as my lowest priority tuner, and then have my firewire set as my high priority.. I'm just confused about how to set it up to have my high priority input switch to a different method for premium channels.. any ideas people? |
| [22:33:10] | justinh: | cake: I get that error too on both my working backends |
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| [22:33:38] | cake: | justinh: oki so nothing to worry about? |
| [22:33:42] | QuesarVII: | riddle – it's configurable |
| [22:33:42] | sunnyhours4130: | riddlebox: i think it uses mplayer but i'm not 100% |
| [22:33:46] | QuesarVII: | I think the default is mplayer |
| [22:33:58] | QuesarVII: | you can set it to use myth's internal player |
| [22:34:04] | QuesarVII: | I like the internal player a lot better |
| [22:34:20] | QuesarVII: | it has dvdnav support for all the dvd menus, etc |
| [22:34:26] | xris: | QuesarVII: in svn, you can select a "preferred tuner" for specific recording schedules |
| [22:34:27] | sunnyhours4130: | (i'm usually wrong, use caution in listening to me) |
| [22:34:37] | xris: | QuesarVII: or you set up two different listing sources. |
| [22:35:05] | QuesarVII: | xris – can I set it so that if 1 is active, the other cannot be? |
| [22:35:57] | QuesarVII: | it will be the same cable box shared for both the firewire out for regular and HD channels, and composite out for premium channels |
| [22:36:19] | xris: | QuesarVII: I don't think so. |
| [22:36:49] | cake: | shit |
| [22:36:50] | cake: | hehe |
| [22:37:00] | cake: | now i tried the frontend and i get the same db error |
| [22:37:03] | cake: | Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| [22:37:14] | cake: | is there a separate config for this? |
| [22:37:22] | justinh: | ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [22:37:24] | QuesarVII: | hmm.. I wonder if I could add support for a "meta input" that is composed out of other exclusive input types? |
| [22:37:32] | QuesarVII: | I think that might be the easiest way to add support. |
| [22:37:42] | QuesarVII: | do you think that code would be accepted if I wrote it? |
| [22:37:55] | xris: | depends on the code. |
| [22:38:05] | immolo: | xris- have you heard of PaX causing issues with the nuvexport process? |
| [22:38:05] | xris: | could always ask Isaac in #mythtv |
| [22:38:13] | xris: | immolo: what's PaX? |
| [22:38:14] | QuesarVII: | well sure, the code will need to be clean, but do you think the concept would fly? |
| [22:38:37] | immolo: | xris- stack smashing stuff |
| [22:38:39] | xris: | QuesarVII: you're not the first person with this problem... but I can't read Isaac's mind. |
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| [22:38:53] | xris: | immolo: that also included your answer. :) |
| [22:39:03] | immolo: | err |
| [22:39:41] | immolo: | xris- http://pax.grsecurity.net/docs/pax.txt |
| [22:39:48] | immolo: | the first few lines |
| [22:39:56] | QuesarVII: | I could set it up to have multiple different channel lineups, I think I would need to require they don't overlap, or at least be able to set priorities on the multiple inputs.. sorry.. just brainstorming, but does that sound good? |
| [22:40:21] | justinh: | does mythmusic read albumart from the mp3 files? |
| [22:40:38] | xris: | immolo: no clue. nuvexport would share the same vulnerabilities as perl, though |
| [22:40:50] | immolo: | perl is fine normally |
| [22:40:59] | justinh: | just wondering if it's worth me tagging files with album art embedded into them |
| [22:41:03] | xris: | justinh: I doubt it.. would be nice, though.. and cover.jpg, etc. |
| [22:41:19] | immolo: | xris- well I'm stuck then |
| [22:41:29] | xris: | could turn off pax and try again? |
| [22:41:30] | immolo: | but anyway I'll save it for a sober day |
| [22:41:37] | immolo: | yeah |
| [22:41:45] | immolo: | hmm I'll do it quick |
| [22:44:53] | immolo: | god damn it |
| [22:45:00] | immolo: | it is PaX after all that |
| [22:45:50] | immolo: | oh wait |
| [22:49:08] | cake: | got backend/frontend running now at last |
| [22:50:20] | justinh: | having crummy video drivers ? |
| [22:50:26] | cake: | right |
| [22:50:33] | cake: | i just installed this box so that might very well be it |
| [22:53:08] | justinh: | isn't that what .mkv is? |
| [22:53:23] | cake: | to tell u the truth i have no idea |
| [22:53:34] | justinh: | http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=.m . . . ch&meta= |
| [22:53:41] | cake: | i was just playing around with the new 1080p projector and i found some .mkv 1080p files |
| [22:53:59] | cake: | but yeah, then matroska it is |
| [22:54:02] | cake: | does it play it? |
| [22:54:14] | justinh: | I imagine so |
| [22:54:20] | justinh: | try it :) |
| [22:54:25] | juco: | hey folks, I have a strange problem, whenever I attempt to "watch tv" or watch recording my system crashes hard |
| [22:54:44] | juco: | I can cause the same thing to happen with mplayer if I use the -vo sdl option |
| [22:54:48] | justinh: | well I'm off to bed |
| [22:54:51] | justinh: | g'night all |
| [22:54:55] | juco: | and switch to fullscreen mode |
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| [22:55:16] | juco: | I don't know what is wrong |
| [22:55:51] | juco: | but I can use -vo xv with mplayer and it works fine |
| [22:56:03] | juco: | I'm guessing its a bug in my graphics card driver |
| [22:56:14] | gardengnome: | juco: it's most likely broken hardware/driver issues. unless you run mythtv as root ;) |
| [22:56:21] | juco: | does anyone know if there is a way to get myth to use a different video output option? |
| [22:56:38] | gardengnome: | juco: start it with NO_XV=1. it'll be sloow |
| [22:56:42] | juco: | gardengnome: yeah, I'm pretty sure it is a problem with the i915 drm module |
| [22:56:53] | juco: | is that an environmental variable? |
| [22:56:58] | juco: | or something in the db? |
| [22:56:59] | gardengnome: | juco: yep |
| [22:57:02] | juco: | cool |
| [22:57:05] | gardengnome: | envrionment variable |
| [22:57:12] | juco: | lets see.. |
| [22:58:54] | juco: | woohoo |
| [22:58:57] | juco: | that works |
| [22:59:22] | gardengnome: | it'll use a lot of CPU :( |
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| [23:01:40] | juco: | yeah |
| [23:01:43] | juco: | its not usable |
| [23:01:53] | juco: | but at least it is something |
| [23:02:03] | juco: | so do you know if mythtv uses sdl? |
| [23:02:52] | gardengnome: | juco: mythtv doesn't use SDL. but of course, it might coincidentally use the same video output driver |
| [23:04:25] | juco: | when the x log isn't wiped out by the crash I get stuff like this: Error in I830WaitLpRing() ... Fatal server error: |
| [23:04:25] | juco: | lockup |
| [23:04:29] | juco: | but the entire system locks |
| [23:04:32] | juco: | audio goes screwy |
| [23:04:37] | juco: | not keyboard or mouse |
| [23:04:39] | juco: | can't ssh in |
| [23:05:00] | gardengnome: | well, you'd better get that fixed. |
| [23:05:09] | juco: | yeah |
| [23:05:25] | juco: | I suppose I could drop down to older versions of things |
| [23:05:37] | juco: | the problem is that I want to use kernel 2.6.20 for the pchdtv drivers |
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| [23:05:50] | tcpsyn: | It's not the memory... I just took it out and I'm having the same problem. |
| [23:06:04] | tcpsyn: | Could it be because I've added another card using the nvidia driver? |
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| [23:07:35] | tcpsyn: | the frontend just keeps segfaulting. I've tried using a different kernel, different themes, and different xorg settings. |
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| [23:14:38] | tcpsyn: | I can open the prerecorded mpeg files in mplayer just fine. |
| [23:15:04] | tcpsyn: | I don't get it |
| [23:15:20] | gardengnome: | it's probably a bug |
| [23:15:32] | gardengnome: | see the instructions for reporting bugs in the mythtv howto |
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| [23:17:00] | kemp: | anyone care to help with this- I have mythtv setup but when I goto watch tv is says Mythtv is already using all available inputs for the channel you selected |
| [23:17:28] | tcpsyn: | gardengnome, but it worked fine for months.. It's not until I added a video card and upgraded my memory. |
| [23:17:31] | kemp: | and, when I goto the program guide, it just closes |
| [23:17:45] | kemp: | the whole frontend closes |
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| [23:18:13] | gardengnome: | kemp: did you assign your tv card to your video source? |
| [23:18:34] | kemp: | I believe I did.... but i'll check... |
| [23:20:19] | kemp: | do I have to run mythtv-setup again to do that? |
| [23:22:01] | gardengnome: | yes |
| [23:35:44] | kemp: | that worked gardengnome, ty :) |
| [23:36:11] | kemp: | still have plenty of tweakin to do but, at least I am getting something for channels now |
| [23:36:56] | gardengnome: | np |
| [23:37:10] | gardengnome: | always double-check $stuff ;) |
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| [23:52:29] | [Jasper]: | woops |
| [23:52:30] | [Jasper]: | sorry |
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