Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, February 10th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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hjohnson:

... fond memories of my first 386..

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hjohnson:

well, 286 and XT too.

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Milosch:

i had forgotten about working there

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clever:

and guess what i tryed last night?:P

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clever:

i tryed feeding the com port cable from my gps

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clever:

directly into the vt100 terminal

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clever:

couldnt get a byte out of it

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hjohnson:

saw the NMEA 183 sentences?

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Milosch:

hjohnson: sweet

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clever:

and i cant find the null modem connector

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Milosch:

i couldn't afford one on what they were paying me

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clever:

and i think i might allready have a db-25 null modem mixed in there

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hjohnson:

Milosch: it was a DX40 soldered on, weitek coprocessor, and an empty CPU socket for future upgrades.

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Milosch:

ooOOOOoooo

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** clever trys a diff connector wiring **

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Milosch:

i avoided computers for the most part, or at least buying them, until 91 or 2

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hjohnson:

heh, everyone at the office is coming down with a cough.

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hjohnson:

Milosch: oh, this was in 95ish. :P

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hjohnson:

by then 386 DX40 motherboards were $80

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Milosch:

heh

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hjohnson:

and now, to think, I own a computer with a dual core athlon 64 in it...

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hjohnson:

and 1.2TB of disk space...

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hjohnson:

mind blowing.

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hjohnson:

it really is, when you look back at things.

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Milosch:

crap, when i was a kid i was building electronic organ kits from rat shack, no computers in sight

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clever:

yay

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clever:

i forgot to hit the local/line button

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clever:

i can see the txtout lines now:)

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** clever changes to nmea **

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Milosch:

nice

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jalex:

you need 1.2TB for mythtv if you use htdv...I can't even keep my 200GB below 99% without intervening a couple times a week

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Milosch:

stepdad brought the altair and the PET

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clever:

works perfectly

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hjohnson:

ahh yes, the PET

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hjohnson:

Milosch: I wasn't quite that oldschool

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Milosch:

hjohnson: that was NEW ;)

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** clever looks for the other webcam **

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Milosch:

or partially used anyway

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Milosch:

1980 ish

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hjohnson:

but i've been around long enough to realize just how amazing progress has been.. for better or worse.

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clever:

dont remember where it went

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clever:

hmmm

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Milosch:

hjohnson: we had teletypes in my computer class in jr. high

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Milosch:

printers with keyboards and broken paper tape readers

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hjohnson:

I remember when my school district used to have a dozen Apple IIs that they'd take from one school to the next to the next.

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hjohnson:

they were in these crates, and they'd show up for 3 weeks or so, the kids would get to use them, then they'd pack them up and take 'em to the next school

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Milosch:

same ttys my sister had used 5 years earlier

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hjohnson:

and fredwriter..

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hjohnson:

oregon trail

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hjohnson:

and some typing tutor

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clever:

now where did i put that webcam prog

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RasQulec:

haha Oregon trail

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justinh:

all this talk has made me look up zx81s on ebay

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Milosch:

hjohnson: is bjohnson a relation?

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Milosch:

justinh: good morning ;)

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justinh:

<8 zx81 :)

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justinh:

morning!

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Milosch:

i would say moin, but ah well

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justinh:

seeing a picture of the box made me feel all tingly & nostalgic

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Milosch:

i did have a zx81 at one point, but the only reason i did is because it was fscked up

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Milosch:

it was the black one

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justinh:

I had a couple

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justinh:

yeah the zx80 was white-ish

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hjohnson:

Milosch: not that I know of.

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justinh:

they're a lot cheaper than I thought they would be

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hjohnson:

Milosch: ahh, I was thinking female for some reason, but then had to give my head a shake and realize that this is IRC

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Milosch:

hjohnson: must have been the bj in front

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justinh:

lol

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hjohnson:

lol

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** Milosch is happy, got his first money on the new company today **

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justinh:

what an attitude... "if any female comes into IRC she must be on her knees". jesus

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hjohnson:

that is not what I was thinking, btw.

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Milosch:

heh

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justinh:

we do get real ladies in here from time to time, and they're very welcome

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Milosch:

you haven't acheived dirty OLD man status yet

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Milosch:

oh sure

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hjohnson:

was more "related to me... none of my cousins have a name starting with b... ergo must be closer related, but that would make it a female, but i'm single, so no.

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Milosch:

and some that are on their way as well

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justinh:

but then again everyone starts out being welcomed ;)

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Milosch:

justinh: hard to tell that sometimes ;)

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hjohnson:

As a tech-worker, I actually prefer working with women, to tell you the truth.. found them to be more reliable than guys, for whatever reason.

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justinh:

you know how it goes.. you plan to say "hey hi, how are you?" and it comes out as "read the fucking manual, noobtard"

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Milosch:

communicably challenged or so ;)

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hjohnson:

justinh: over in Undernet #linux, we have the A.M.E.S. as our LART

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hjohnson:

(Automatic Moron Ejection System)

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Milosch:

hjohnson: btw, why can i not get on undernet anymore?

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justinh:

I used to lurk in undernet a very long time ago

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Milosch:

have a local channel i like to pop into now and then

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clever:

LOL

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Milosch:

they reject my connection now, probably the fscking cable

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hjohnson:

Milosch: could be.

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hjohnson:

I dunno, I'm just a chanop

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Milosch:

i don't see a way to even ask

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clever:

i now irc in green/back

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clever:

black*

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hjohnson:

clever: hah

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Milosch:

Too many connections from your host

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clever:

not used t this keyboard either

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hjohnson:

Milosch: that's odd.. are you behind NAT?

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clever:

and ctrl is beside lock

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Milosch:

hjohnson: as usual, but this net uses auth as well

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hjohnson:

I wish that on modern computers they'd put the control where the capslock is..

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clever:

ehhh wheres alt

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hjohnson:

capslock is the single bigest waste of realestate on your average keyboard.

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justinh:

isn't it sad that computers from nowadays won't really be seen as collectable like those from the 1970s-1980s?

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hjohnson:

Milosch: your ISP puts you behind NAT? yech.

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hjohnson:

oh, no ,you're on rr

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hjohnson:

hmmm.

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Milosch:

hjohnson: somebody told me today if he finds a keyboard with the caps lock in a different place, he'll buy it

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Milosch:

hjohnson: not sure if you mean double nat, i.e. my home nat is there, but i was able to connect a few months ago

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RasQulec:

most every business I have worked at, they used capslock for shipping

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hjohnson:

RasQulec: hmm?

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** GreyFoxx my keyboard at work is the same keyboard I've been using since 88 at home **

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Milosch:

GreyFoxx: scary

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hjohnson:

IBM Model M?

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RasQulec:

hjohnson: capslock isnt as big a waste of space as people think

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GreyFoxx:

and old Atari XT/AT keyboard with aselector key to pick XT ot AT

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clever:

lol

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GreyFoxx:

Ihave some adapters on it so I can use it on aPS2 connector :)

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hjohnson:

GreyFoxx: cool

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Milosch:

SORRY, BUT SINCE I AM NOT THERE THIS IS THE BEST JOB OF SCREAMING I COULD DO

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hjohnson:

GreyFoxx: I have a Model-M

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Milosch:

sorry about that...

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clever:

i still cant find the alt key

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justinh:

would anybody here buy a mythtv t-shirt?

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RasQulec:

I might

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: I would

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Milosch:

justinh: possibly

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hjohnson:

the buckling spring keyboard rules

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RasQulec:

though I dont wear branded shirts much

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RasQulec:

only if its unique and cool

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: Assuming it's not like $100 "_

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justinh:

just thinking about possible gimmicks if I ever exhibit this year

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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Milosch:

justinh: only if i can also put my name on the back in huge block letters

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clever:

you would be lucky if i even wear a shirt

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: it wouldn't be. minimal profit like the ltd edition case badges

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Milosch:

or like a mexican family name in the back window of your silverado

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** GreyFoxx ponders installing phpbb and setting up some forumns **

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justinh:

Milosch: I'd be trying to avoid the lameness that is spreadshirt

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Milosch:

GreyFoxx: readup on security and versions...

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Milosch:

spreadshi(r)t?

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GreyFoxx:

Milosch: Certainly. I'm well aware of it's track reecord :)

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: it's a constant battle against pointless spam

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clever:

GreyFoxx: i alleady run a small and slow forum

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: I imagine

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GreyFoxx:

The msntv2 forumns went down due to spam

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clever:

my forum gets spam:P

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GreyFoxx:

the owner wont put them back up

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GreyFoxx:

so I am thyinking of running them here

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justinh:

we had to implement draconian measures to stop spam but it's working now

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justinh:

new members can't post links

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Milosch:

GreyFoxx: any public-facing system requires some effort, so if you have the time...

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GreyFoxx:

plus people are constantly asking about a new hardware index so I might write that up too

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clever:

just the fact i had 10 people(bots) posting at once was taking my server down

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GreyFoxx:

Milosch: that's not a problem

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Milosch:

coolness

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justinh:

clever: maybe running a forum on a dx266 isn't a good idea ;)

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clever:

it was a 133 mhz

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clever:

with 64mb ram

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Milosch:

i looked at a machine today, it was simply too slow to ever catch spyware or other crap

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: What sort of stuff did you need to setup to keep the spam at bay?

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Milosch:

warned them about their pending new machine with regard to system speed

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clever:

my 50mhx caught and contained spyware

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clever:

the program crashed on login and failed to spread

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: word filters at first, then mods keeping an eye out, then it had to get automated

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Milosch:

a registration system helps, but sql injection can be a b|tch;

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clever:

but i think it used an open sambaish share when i was on dailup

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justinh:

first tried banning people posting 3 links a row, but it was banning mods

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GreyFoxx:

hell yeah, unregistered can do nothing but read

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clever:

but it snuck into a win95

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justinh:

now new users can post, but posts with links are deleted. users meeting certain conditions are allowed to post links

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Milosch:

clever: i remember some open share project

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: I wouldn't mind a system that didn't allow new users to post links, and the "trust" level going up based on time registered, number of posts and maybe some other factors

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GreyFoxx:

and of course, no quick registration. Email/confirmed only etc

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justinh:

aye, roger that :)

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hjohnson:

i've been pretty happy with akismet for my wordpress install..

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justinh:

I suggested moderators vetting all new members, but it's not come to that yet

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** clever uses the vt100 to start mythtv back up **

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clever:

lol that was easy

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clever:

it even seg faulted to death for me

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GreyFoxx:

I might host the msntv2 forumns, maybe something else if I can think of anything useful that people might be interested in that isn't already in 100 other forumns

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Zider:

does anyone know how to get mythvideos internal player to run an external command before and after it plays a file?

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justinh:

Zider: I told somebody this the other day

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justinh:

Zider: make a script that runs a command before running mythtv $filename and one afterwards. run the script as the player command in mythvideo

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Zider:

justinh: I tried that and it won't work

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justinh:

not passing the filename to the script right?

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justinh:

I'd think it'd work ok

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justinh:

that's the only way you're gonna get it to work AFAIK

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Zider:

justinh: it doesn't seem to like using mythtv as an external player command

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justinh:

hm

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justinh:

maybe there's no way to do it then – without modifying the source

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Milosch:

your script is called mythtv?

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justinh:

but you can certainly play files with "mythtv $somefilename"

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Zider:

Milosch: no, the script is called performance.sh (clocks up the cpu temporarily), and any arguments is simply executed.. works fine when using mplayer or xine, but using "mythtv" just flickers the screen for a sec and then returns to list

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RasQulec:

why dont you leave the cpu clocked up? an overclocked cpu only during load doesnt help with the life... is this a lappy?

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justinh:

maybe (just maybe) the player command line works like any other command line – i.e. it might let you run commands separates by semicolons

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Milosch:

Zider: maybe with or without /bin/sh at the top?

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Zider:

RasQulec: it gets hot..

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RasQulec:

get a better cooler... if its not loaded it wont be as hot

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Zider:

justinh: would be a damn long command line in that case :P

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Zider:

RasQulec: I like my fanless cooler

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RasQulec:

get water and a large rad :P

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clever:

my laptop underclocks itself when idle

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Zider:

Milosch: just using the command "mythtv" without bothering with the script doesn't work either

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clever:

which extends batery life if im on batery

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Zider:

RasQulec: no water near any of my system

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RasQulec:

clever: yes thats why I asked

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RasQulec:

the risk is low

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clever:

the system isnt overclocking though

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RasQulec:

about the same as when a fan goes out on a cpu heatsink

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clever:

it can only run a 1ghz and 700mhz

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clever:

and without the special program its 1ghz only

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justinh:

Zider: are you passing the filename as a parameter ?

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Zider:

justinh: tried with and without that

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justinh:

well I don't think there'd be any other way

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Zider:

hm.. wonder why it doesn't work then

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hjohnson:

heh, my server sits right above a 1.5" water main.

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hjohnson:

that weaps.

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Zider:

ah well, I'll try some other solution..

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hjohnson:

if that pipe bursts, we're S.O.L.

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Zider:

has anyone gotten mythvideo to play .ogm btw?

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RasQulec:

zider what cpu is it? you could enable cool in quiet possible or other forms of cpu frequency scaling

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RasQulec:

and then its automatic

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hjohnson:

there's a reason why I'm looking at using a Mac Mini as a living room computer..

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RasQulec:

though still poinless if its too hot when loaded

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hjohnson:

heh, I'm using an Opteron cooler on my Athlon 64

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RasQulec:

I am water cooled :o

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Zider:

RasQulec: it's a celeron 2,6GHz, and I wanna set the max clock differently for different stuff that runs on the box

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Zider:

RasQulec: anyhoo, the cpu clocking isn't the only thing I wanna be able to do

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justinh:

Zider: I've been intruiged enough to play with this

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IamEthos:

do plugins likethe DVD player plugin run on the frontend or backend, assuming seperate machines for each

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IamEthos:

I mean, I would hope that if I have seperate machines for each, I would be able to play DVDs from the frontend machine, as that is likely to be more accessible

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justinh:

IamEthos: they run on top of mythfrontend

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IamEthos:

justinh, thought that would make sense

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Zider:

justinh: with what? using mplayer as an external player?

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Zider:

ehm

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Zider:

mythtv

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Zider:

not mplayer :)

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justinh:

Zider: with mythtv

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justinh:

I'll try it as an external player command in a sec

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justinh:

what I think might be happening is that you're not playing a file format the internal player supports

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IamEthos:

is there any way to connect to the myth backend from a Windows machine?

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Zider:

ah, I just noticed that I got some log output

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IamEthos:

nevermind, found it

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justinh:

Zider: this script works for me here, but seemingly only with mpeg files: http://www.pastebin.ca/348242

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Zider:

justinh: yeah, I was just thinking that it might try to play it as a recorded show and not thru mythvideo

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justinh:

I thought 'Internal' meant the same player as the rest of mythtv uses for video

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justinh:

heheh playing an xvid now

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The_Ball:

Any Australian digital tv users here?

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justinh:

and it's deffo the internal player cos I just brought up the OSD menu

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justinh:

Zider: so it does work!

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Zider:

justinh: obviously not here :P

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xris:

justinh: that is what "internal" is, yes.

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justinh:

nice for me to know since I can use this to great effect when I get around to having some home automation ;)

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xris:

you can even create cutlists, etc.

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justinh:

oh yeah and play certain sections too – a forum user pointed that out a while back

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The_Ball:

I put a lcd on my mythbox and now the picture quality isn't that great. It seems badly compressed. Is that normal for DVB?

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justinh:

The_Ball: lcd monitors show up flaws in video better than CRTs do

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justinh:

same goes for plasmas

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Zider:

justinh: ever tried .ogm?

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justinh:

also never helps when you play video that isn't the same res. as the monitor

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justinh:

Zider: .ogm ? nah

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justinh:

matroska eh

[01:01:40]

Zider:

I'd love to have the internal player for that, because it's so easy to switch audio/subtitle

[01:01:54]

Zider:

right now I use xine, so I need a trackball/mouse connected :P

[01:02:06]

Zider:

(no remote yet)

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justinh:

Zider: you can do virtually everything in xine with keys AFAIK

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The_Ball:

justinh, ah, so digital isn't the silver bullet

[01:02:56]

justinh:

apart from advanced stuff like changing deinterlacing methods

[01:03:05]

Zider:

justinh: not list the subs/tracks.. :P

[01:03:16]

Zider:

and remembering keys aren't my strong side

[01:03:28]

Zider:

it's bad enough remembering mplayers keys too

[01:03:42]

justinh:

The_Ball: whatever gave you that impression? all too often folks assume the words 'digital' and 'quality' are synonymous when infact the opposite is usually true. it needn't be so, but all too often is

[01:04:39]

Zider:

tft/lcd is too good for video ;)

[01:04:39]

justinh:

"hmmm shall we have X number of high quality TV channels or shall we have X * 3 channels at a lower bitrate & make shedloads more money? tough call..."

[01:05:00]

The_Ball:

justinh, DVD's are very nice though

[01:05:11]

GreyFoxx:

Zider: Remap them to match myth's keys

[01:05:19]

GreyFoxx:

That's what I did

[01:05:28]

xris:

The_Ball: dvd's what are nice?

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justinh:

The_Ball: you could try some playback filters

[01:05:40]

The_Ball:

the quality compared to DVB

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GreyFoxx:

I don't use mplayer much since Iuse the internal player for everything, but I use to use it a lot

[01:05:54]

The_Ball:

justinh, where are they located?

[01:05:58]

Zider:

GreyFoxx: I still can't get a list of tracks, right? (I know, I can cycle thru them, I just like myths osd menu stuff)

[01:06:15]

Zider:

GreyFoxx: I like the way mplayer can jump different lengths thru a file

[01:07:07]

GreyFoxx:

Zider: I wouldn't know, I've never used mplayer in asituation that had multuple tracks

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xris:

The_Ball: I'm just giving you a hard time.. "DVD's" is possessive, not plural... so when I read that, it sounded like you were going to say something like "dvd's file formats are very nice"...

[01:07:16]

GreyFoxx:

Zider: So can myth

[01:07:28]

GreyFoxx:

hit 5 the Right Arrrow

[01:07:30]

justinh:

hmm just looked. there's no deblocking filter or anything that might make blocky mpeg2 look nicer

[01:07:37]

GreyFoxx:

it will jump forward 5 minutes

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GreyFoxx:

hit 2 and left arrow

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GreyFoxx:

that's back 2 minutes

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justinh:

The_Ball: if you're using a PVR card crank up the bitrate as much as you can stand – maybe lower the capture res as much as you can stand too

[01:08:26]

The_Ball:

xris, that reminds me, i have to study for a writing skills exam next week. i'm not a native english speaker

[01:08:43]

Zider:

well, that's not really how I like to do it.. but nice that it's there somehow ;)

[01:08:46]

xris:

The_Ball: then you're definitely excused from making the occasional grammatical mistake. :

[01:08:49]

xris:

:)

[01:09:05]

xris:

GreyFoxx: and here I always just invoked the editor to skip ahead.

[01:09:11]

GreyFoxx:

xris: hehe

[01:09:19]

GreyFoxx:

I use the variable jumps all the time :)

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justinh:

rogue apostrophe's are one of the thing's that really get's me pissed off when native english speaker's use them

[01:09:30]

xris:

I might now that I know about them

[01:09:41]

GreyFoxx:

plus up/down to dump in 10 minute increments

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GreyFoxx:

jump

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** MythLogBot slaps justinh with a intentional-bad-grammar trout on behalf of xris... **

[01:10:05]

The_Ball:

justinh, no i'm using a haupage dual dvb card, so no adjustments are available there

[01:10:06]

justinh:

yeah in the UK, variable jumps are a god send :)

[01:10:21]

justinh:

adbreak – press 4 then right arrow.. job done

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tank-man:

mythtv doesnt detect the breaks?

[01:10:47]

Zider:

GreyFoxx: maybe you can enlighten me if mythvideo can play .ogm somehow?

[01:10:47]

justinh:

not very well on most UK channels

[01:10:59]

GreyFoxx:

Zider: Never had an .ogm to try :)

[01:11:13]

justinh:

what comes in .ogm format anyway?

[01:11:16]

GreyFoxx:

but you can tell mythvideo to launch a specific player for a specific file extension

[01:11:34]

Zider:

justinh: all sorts of stuff, mainly anime..

[01:11:35]

GreyFoxx:

so for instances you can player .mp4 files with nmplayer, but everything else with Internal

[01:11:45]

justinh:

that blimmin anime again

[01:11:58]

GreyFoxx:

or even just call xine/mplayer for matroska files but use Internal for everything else... etc

[01:12:13]

justinh:

don't get me wrong I like animated features, I just can't watch all that 5fps stuff

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Zider:

GreyFoxx: well, that's why I wanted the internal player to do it, since it's so smooth selecting different subs and audio tracks (which you can bundle in an ogg, sort of like a dvd iso)

[01:12:40]

GreyFoxx:

Zider: I have no idea if the internal player would play one of those or not :)

[01:12:42]

Zider:

in an ogm even

[01:13:06]

Zider:

GreyFoxx: oki..

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LLyric:

robot chicken is lol funny :)

[01:13:33]

Zider:

justinh: 5fps..?

[01:13:40]

justinh:

well, if running "mythtv $somefilename.ogm" results in a log message about a decoder not being available I'd guess not

[01:14:11]

Zider:

justinh: well, mythtv $somedvd.iso complains, but using Internal as player works

[01:14:13]

GreyFoxx:

Zider: if you have ffmpeg installed, try ffplay file.ogm

[01:14:13]

justinh:

5 frames per sec animation – seen a few clips from the genre & it looks way too jerky

[01:14:14]

xris:

justinh: I get that with some files... latest is mp4 files. complains about no quicktime decoder.

[01:14:20]

xris:

which is odd, since it should be there.

[01:14:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

Zider: As opposed to 30fps in the US, 25fps in the pal world...

[01:14:39]

Zider:

J-e-f-f-A: bah :P

[01:14:54]

justinh:

it just looks like lazy, cheap animation to my eyes :-P

[01:14:56]

xris:

J-e-f-f-A: or 60fps (or so) for some HD.

[01:15:11]

GreyFoxx:

if ffmpeg can play it then myth should be capable of it, might just need some code changes

[01:15:12]

Zider:

GreyFoxx: ffplay is missing, but ffmpeg command exists.. I suppose that's the "standalone" player?

[01:15:19]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

[01:15:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Yeah, short of the newest animated movies, I don't think they're making saturday-morning toons in HD much yet...

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justinh:

I guess anime is another one of those things that you're either a big fan of, or not ;)

[01:16:56]

Zider:

GreyFoxx: "Unable to find suitable output format".. guess it wasn't that easy ;)

[01:17:22]

GreyFoxx:

Zider: That was just for confirmation if it was us disallowing it or the libraries themselves

[01:17:49]

Zider:

GreyFoxx: so which was it? :P

[01:17:49]

justinh:

<glib comment> simply patch mythtv to use mplayer as the internal player </glib comment>

[01:18:43]

GreyFoxx:

Zider: That specific error doesn't really tell me :) since it doesn't mention a lack of playability, just lack of ability to output it, which I've never seen ffplay say :)

[01:18:59]

Zider:

well, I don't have ffplay, only ffmpeg :)

[01:19:26]

GreyFoxx:

oh

[01:19:35]

GreyFoxx:

ffmpeg is for transcoding, ffplay is the player :)

[01:19:43]

Zider:

hmm

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tank-man:

Zider, install the vorb orbis (?) codecs

[01:19:53]

Zider:

shouldn't ffplay be included in the package?

[01:20:01]

Zider:

tank-man: I have them

[01:20:09]

GreyFoxx:

Zider: I don't do packages, I wouldn't know

[01:20:12]

Zider:

both vorbis and theora

[01:21:09]

Zider:

GreyFoxx: strange.. I have ffmpeg installed on two systems here, and neither has ffplay

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tank-man:

yes, strange ...

[01:22:09]

GreyFoxx:

I have it installed from source and it's here. No idea what packagers include

[01:22:17]

GreyFoxx:

<<-- package hater ;)

[01:22:42]

Zider:

well, gentoo gets the source and compiles it, so it should be the same

[01:22:50]

Zider:

"should" :P

[01:23:03]

tank-man:

bad package maintainer

[01:23:09]

tank-man:

slap him

[01:23:17]

Zider:

or just some quirk I have missed

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clever:

the ubuntu package was so old it was using the old style of ring buffer

[01:23:20]

tank-man:

find out who he is and slap him

[01:23:44]

clever:

easy on debian based systems

[01:23:48]

clever:

Maintainer: Matt Zimmerman <mdz@debian.org >

[01:23:48]

clever:

Architecture: all

[01:24:00]

clever:

go slap him:P

[01:24:09]

opello:

he's on the network :)

[01:24:20]

clever:

which network?

[01:24:26]

opello:

this one

[01:24:27]

opello:

lol

[01:24:30]

clever:

ahh lol

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clever:

yep found him

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Zider:

hm, I just found something about ffmpeg.c was broken for gcc 4.x

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Zider:

hm

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Zider:

ffplay.c

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Zider:

I can't type right today :P

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clever:

i used to watch files with ffplay

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clever:

at first it was the only linux prog i knew of which could handle divx

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clever:

turns out its a debug program for the ffmpeg decoder source files:P

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ShiftyPowers:

gentlemen, can anyone help me out here with this http://pastebin.ca/348287 ?

[01:27:40]

jaytee:

? anyone know how to clear the schedule?

[01:27:41]

ShiftyPowers:

when I start mythbackend things work

[01:27:50]

ShiftyPowers:

but as soon as mythfrontend starts the backend exits

[01:28:01]

ShiftyPowers:

something about HandleRemoteEncoder

[01:29:43]

Zider:

GreyFoxx: so if ffplay can play .ogm it wouldn't take much for mythvideo to support it..?

[01:30:02]

GreyFoxx:

pretty much

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Zider:

great :)

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IamEthos:

what do I have to set to make mythbackend available over the network?

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tank-man:

IamEthos, google mythtv mysql

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tank-man:

first hit

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IamEthos:

tank-man, the mysql connection is working

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tank-man:

mythtv-setup ->put in the backend ip, dont use localhost

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IamEthos:

did that

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IamEthos:

I'm using winMyth

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IamEthos:

which I undestand makes things more complicated

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IamEthos:

but I don't see why I should be having any problem here

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IamEthos:

I can connect to everything mysql, ssh, vnc, but not mythbackend

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PSU:

hi guys, here is my DataDirect Status: Your subscription expires on 02/17/07 02:39:18...is there any way that i can renew this service before receiving the e-mail from Zap2it?

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justinh:

IamEthos: you know the stuff about winmyth being a troublesome program isn't a myth ;)

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Zider:

justinh: it's a win-myth ;)

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IamEthos:

justinh, that was extra-dorky

[01:55:34]

justinh:

yeah, well it's true

[01:56:09]

justinh:

there are far better apps than that buggy code you can use to play back mythtv recordings on a winduhz box these days

[01:56:18]

IamEthos:

my TV tuner has several inputs. I assume that i can't make them work simultaneously, right?

[01:56:25]

justinh:

right

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IamEthos:

that stinks

[01:57:02]

IamEthos:

if I could use the composite in while recording with the coax in, that would be nice.

[01:57:03]

justinh:

your TV has several inputs no doubt. it prolly also stinks you can't watch them all at once

[01:57:40]

Zider:

hmm, mythvideo seems to play matroska, but doesn't show any subtitles..

[01:57:44]

PSU:

hmm, anywhere i should look to clear up some space...

[01:57:44]

PSU:

Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on

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PSU:

/dev/hda1 4.6G 4.4G 3.6M 100% /

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PSU:

/dev/hda3 70G 51G 20G 73% /myth

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justinh:

your car might have many seats, but only one steering wheel. man that must make you angry

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IamEthos:

justinh, well, I was thinking of using the coax for recording, and using the composite from the television to watch another station at the same time

[01:58:06]

justinh:

well, unless it's a pvr500, you can't do that

[01:58:34]

justinh:

but even the pvr500 which is a dual tuner card, can't record 2 shows on one tuner at the same time

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IamEthos:

some mexican dude is rapping on Mtvu right now

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IamEthos:

it's weird

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IamEthos:

it sounds like he's saying the same thing over and over again

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IamEthos:

but I don't know spanish

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IamEthos:

latino dudes are so crazy

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PSU:

any place i can clear some space on my root drive guys?

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IamEthos:

oh god

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IamEthos:

MTVu is truly ridiculous. They are having a contest to see who can come up with the best idea for an HIV/AIDS awareness game

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justinh:

as fascinating as all this is...

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Zider:

anyone here tried to play matroska files with subs?

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PSU:

heh

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Zider:

I know, I meddle with weird stuff ;)

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Zider:

GreyFoxx: still here?

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[03:07:11]

Sembiance:

Finally! Everything is working just great now. A server capable of recording 4 HD streams an 2 Cable/Analog streams at once, and a front end machine that is capable of playing back 1080p content

[03:07:20]

Sembiance:

took more money, and more time than I intended, but ahh well :)

[03:07:34]

Sembiance:

Lessons learned?

[03:07:52]

Sembiance:

Don't use over the air HD tuning if you already have cable coming to your house. Tune the HD signals off that instead

[03:08:10]

c0re:

hey guys

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Sembiance:

Yes it's more work because you'll likely need to figure out the channels yourself, it's still much more reliable

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Sembiance:

Also, mythtranscode is buggy-ish, especially with resizing HDTV content. Sizing errors, audio sync problems, etc. creep into the results. So Lesson would be keep everything in it's original format and play from that if possible ;)

[03:10:04]

c0re:

Sembiance: what do you think of nuvexport?

[03:10:35]

Sembiance:

I have not heard of that before.

[03:11:21]

c0re:

im still workin out the kinks but worth the look

[03:11:24]

GreyFoxx:

It's what most people use to convert recordings to xvids and such

[03:11:32]

c0re:

yup

[03:11:35]

GreyFoxx:

written by the same guy who wrote most of mythweb

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GreyFoxx:

aka xris

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jblack:

Dear myth, you make 200 gig hard drives cry like a four year old girl.

[03:12:42]

hads:

heh

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ffish:

is there any documentation on how to use the S-video/RCA audio inputs of a PVR-500?

[03:13:03]

ffish:

I've got the built-in tuners working

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hads:

There's not that much to do to set them up, just create a source

[03:15:02]

jblack:

darkfrog: Did you accidentally enable opengl for the UI?

[03:15:12]

darkfrog:

jblack....on purpose. :o

[03:15:15]

darkfrog:

was that wrong? :o

[03:15:20]

quink:

try it without

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jblack:

Try turning it of.

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quink:

just for fun

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jblack:

off, that is

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GreyFoxx:

darkfrog: What precisely is slow ?

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darkfrog:

okay....seems like OpenGL would be faster. :o

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quink:

darkfrog: i agree. but i noticed some difference with/without

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darkfrog:

GreyFoxx, changing between menus, moving the selection, etc.

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jblack:

It can be.. If you the x.org driver for your card handles opengl.

[03:16:13]

GreyFoxx:

darkfrog: well, there is an intentional fade in effect between menus and screens

[03:16:26]

darkfrog:

jblack, my card has OpenGL enabled and the drivers are correctly configured.

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GreyFoxx:

you don't have to wait for it to finish befor emoving on though

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GreyFoxx:

if that is what you are seeing

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jblack:

darkfrog: Apparently you hav3e a problem of some sort. Try disabling the option.

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darkfrog:

GreyFoxx, the fade actually tends to go pretty smoothly.

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Sembiance:

darkfrog: in a terminal window inside your X, does glxinfo show that you have DRM working?

[03:17:58]

hads:

Hmm, so this new storage groups thing in trunk really removes the need to use LVM for your storage.

[03:18:18]

Sembiance:

darkfrog: what do you get FPS wise when you run glxgears ?

[03:18:27]

GreyFoxx:

hads: pretty much

[03:18:30]

jblack:

hads: Hmmm?

[03:18:33]

hads:

Nifty

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GreyFoxx:

plus you can mix in remote filesystems

[03:18:44]

hads:

Yeah, seems pretty cool

[03:18:48]

GreyFoxx:

not just local partitions

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jblack:

Am I reading you right? That you can soon mix multiple stores for the mythtv files?

[03:19:24]

GreyFoxx:

yes

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hads:

You'd want a reasonably solid network for that though.

[03:19:33]

GreyFoxx:

well, you can now if you run svn

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GreyFoxx:

hads that's not something special

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jblack:

I can't wait.

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hads:

GreyFoxx: True

[03:20:03]

jblack:

well, I can. But I'm thrilled to hear that.

[03:20:04]

waldo:

is there support for AFS?

[03:20:09]

waldo:

please tell me there's support for AFS...

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hads:

I'm impressed with the smoothness of the upgrade.

[03:20:30]

GreyFoxx:

waldo: That's more a kernel issue

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Sembiance:

500GB of storage space doesn't last long when your recordings take up 8GB per hour :)

[03:21:07]

GreyFoxx:

myth can be configured to write to any combination of drives/partitions. Be they local drives, or network mounted filesystems

[03:21:26]

waldo:

GreyFoxx: not really. AFS is supported in linux. but will myth have the right hooks to do things like get the AFS tokens it needs to have any sort of proper permissions in AFS space?

[03:21:37]

GreyFoxx:

waldo: Nope

[03:21:51]

GreyFoxx:

Myth doesn't specifically support the underlying filesystem

[03:21:51]

jblack:

Sembiance: Thats the sort of problem I'm starting to bump into now. I transcode everything, but I'm running low on space for transcoding.

[03:22:01]

GreyFoxx:

we write to the directory you point us as

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GreyFoxx:

it's up to the user/OS to make sure it exists/has space/ismounted etc

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Zider:

GreyFoxx: write here *points*

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Zider:

;)

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waldo:

GreyFoxx: then how is "mix[ing] in remote remote filesystems"? you just treat them like local FS

[03:22:45]

Sembiance:

jblack: I stopped transcoding my HDTV recordings because mythtranscode kept introducing audio sync problems

[03:22:51]

waldo:

don't get me wrong, this is great that i'll finally be able to split up where files are stored

[03:23:02]

waldo:

i should probably get out of the past and use something other than AFS :]

[03:23:10]

GreyFoxx:

waldo: Because with LVM you can group together physical drivers into one large one

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darkfrog:

Sembiance, http://www.captiveimagination.com/wiki/index.php/Temp

[03:23:16]

jblack:

GreyFoxx: speaking of ismounted.... I accidentally started myth up when the filesystem wasn't mounted. I deleted a handful of shows in the UI. As it turns out, those shows are still in the filesystem, taking up space. Is there an easy way to find and remove them?

[03:23:21]

Sembiance:

jblack: I already had to update to SVN trunk 12500 in order to get a fix to mythtranscode that messed up resizing 1080p to 720p

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GreyFoxx:

with storage groups you specifiy the localtions, myth doesn't care if it's local or not

[03:23:30]

hads:

Well I think it's a great new feature that snuck in there, kudos to the devs.

[03:23:45]

GreyFoxx:

Jack3: close anything and unmount the filesystem

[03:23:45]

Sembiance:

darkfrog: how many FPS with glxgears ?

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darkfrog:

Sembiance, 1709 fps

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GreyFoxx:

the files will be "under" the mount

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Sembiance:

darkfrog: What part of mythfrontend appears to you to be 'slow' ?

[03:24:16]

jblack:

GreyFoxx: Oh, that's not the problem. THe problem is they are removed in the database, but not on the filesystem.

[03:24:35]

GreyFoxx:

jblack: When you said taking up space I assumed you mead diskspace :)

[03:24:43]

darkfrog:

Sembiance, if I go to Videos moving around in there the responsiveness is terrible.

[03:24:44]

jblack:

I do mean diskspace.

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darkfrog:

Sembiance, but there are other places that are bad as well.

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GreyFoxx:

then maybe you didn't understqand what I said

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GreyFoxx:

Close myth and any app that's got a file open on that partition which is mounted in your myth data directory

[03:25:26]

jblack:

1. filesystem didn't get started. 2. ran mythfrontend. 3. Said shows were not there. 4. Told myth to delete them. 5. realizd filesystem wasn't mounted. 6. mounted filesystem. 7. shows aren't in db but are still on filesystem.

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GreyFoxx:

umount the mounted fielsystem

[03:25:44]

GreyFoxx:

go to the mountpoint and remove the files

[03:26:02]

GreyFoxx:

you CAN mount a filesystem overtop of a directory containing files, which is basically what you have found yourself doing

[03:26:07]

jblack:

I have 300 shows. I don't know offhand which six I told myth to delete before I realized the filesystem wasn't mounted.

[03:26:17]

darkfrog:

wait a sec....I actually have hundreds of videos in a sub-dir under Videos though so if it's indexing and keeping those in memory that could be part of my problem. :o

[03:26:19]

hads:

You guys are talking about different situations

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jblack:

GreyFoxx: Let me be more clear. I told myth to delete shows, while the filesystem wasn't mounted. So I still have the show, but the db now longer knows about them.

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Sembiance:

darkfrog: Is it possible your slwodown is disk IO or network related? Have you ran any monitoring/profiling tools while using mythfrontend to see where your bottlenecks are?

[03:26:50]

GreyFoxx:

oh, ok I get you now

[03:27:10]

GreyFoxx:

no, I don't know of a simple way to handle that

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hads:

If there isn't a contrib script for that situation I could probably whip something up

[03:27:19]

GreyFoxx:

I've never looked for one, likely something in contrib

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darkfrog:

Sembiance, no, but that's a good idea. ;)

[03:27:35]

jblack:

I can whip something up. I can just query the recorded table and compare that against the direcotyr listing.

[03:27:54]

jblack:

I was just hoping there was some sort of magical mythfrontend --syncronize-filesystem option.

[03:27:56]

hads:

Yeah, check there isn't one already. Sounds like a common scenario

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GreyFoxx:

jblack: Nope :)

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darkfrog:

Sembiance, currently updating with yum (135 packages) so any monitoring right now would be a waste of time....I'll try that later though.

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hads:

Damn JFS for not shrinking

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jblack:

Thanks for the help. :)

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jblack:

Freenode should have a /tip (person) (dollar amount) option.

[03:31:55]

waldo:

speaking of querying the databases

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waldo:

is the database structure documented anywhere?

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waldo:

i might get a migrane if i see an ER model right now, but i think it would be helpful.

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GreyFoxx:

waldo: Not really no

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GreyFoxx:

like the mythprotocol, generally the source is the documentation

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waldo:

sad.

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Zider:

speaking of which.. I need to sit down and fix my database some day.. the backend won't start.. :P

[03:33:49]

Zider:

..not that I use it..

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waldo:

unfortunately i have just started work as a data analyst, so i get enough of staring at databases at work. but some day i will try to document it

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GreyFoxx:

Actually it looks like someone wrote some stuff into the wiki. No idea how up to date or acurate it is

[03:34:07]

GreyFoxx:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database_Schema

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hads:

Version 14 I think

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hads:

Zider: mysqlcheck -u $USER [-p] --auto-repair mythconverg

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waldo:

wish mysql supported foreign keys, it would make documenting so much easier :]

[03:35:09]

Zider:

hads: ..that's it?

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GreyFoxx:

Maybe if I get a little less lazy I'll document the mythgame related tables

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quink:

whats a foreign key?

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waldo:

relational databases... when one database references another database, basically.

[03:35:40]

quink:

ah.

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hads:

Zider: If they are corrupt or something that will fix it.

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waldo:

the field that contains the reference is called a 'foreign key'

[03:35:49]

Zider:

hads: ah, thanks :)

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waldo:

give or take.

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quink:

funny. i took a database theory class, yet none of the practical stuff seems to click in my mind yet.

[03:36:12]

waldo:

the beer, it is having an effect. so it may be fuzzy.

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hads:

Zider: np

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quink:

anyone here pipe their audio to a receiver for surround sound?

[03:37:08]

hads:

quink: Yes, but mines just analog

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Zider:

quink: dunno about "piping", but yes I use a surround receiver

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quink:

how do you deal with analog sounds?

[03:37:27]

Zider:

just fine thanks

[03:37:29]

Zider:

:P

[03:37:33]

quink:

or do you put everything through the receiver regardless?

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waldo:

boo, Zider

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Zider:

not that there is any analog sound in the computer, it's all 101010010101

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waldo:

a good reciever will detect whether or not it's mono, 2ch, 4ch, etc or digital, and distribute the signal to the correct speakers automatically

[03:38:29]

waldo:

i do not have one of those, so don't ask me for advice on buying one :]

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quink:

waldo: true, but i guess i'm meaning things in the sense that I don't always wish to use my receiver, specificly if i'm watching tv vs watching a movie.

[03:38:46]

quink:

just getting ideas on how people have it setup

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Zider:

quink: you mean using spdif for movies and analog output to the tvs scart?

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quink:

i don't know what you mean by scart, but i think thats the general idea.

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Zider:

scart is the jumbo connector in the back of the tv, for connecting dvd's, vcrs and so on, takes composite, svideo, audio and so on

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quink:

I'd like to set it so by default tv/tv recordings= use the tv for the sound output, if its a movie and it has surround sound data use spdif, if its a movie and doesn't use the tv.

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quink:

Make some common sense rules, but also have a way, via remote, to change my preference

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Zider:

well, you could have the audio get outputted to both digital and analog output, and just mute the receiver when watching tv, and the other way around

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hads:

Scart is common in Europe, not so much in other areas

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Zider:

hads: I thought they all had SCART connectors

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quink:

Zider: if i use mute on the tv it displays 'mute' on screen without being able to turn it off.

[03:42:06]

Zider:

quink: ah

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Zider:

quink: well, I believe you can tell mythtv to use different alsa devices in different scenarios

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quink:

or, actually, have it default to stero output to the tv unless i select otherwise.

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Zider:

not sure tho.. I only use spdif..

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hads:

Zider: Na, no TV's really over here (AU/NZ) have scart.

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quink:

i haven't really researched this yet, but was just curious

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Zider:

hads: I see..

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hads:

I'm not sure about the US, but I don't believe it's as common over there either

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hads:

We mostly have seperate composite/component/s-video plus the digital's if you have them.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Zider: No TV's in the US have Scart connectors.

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Zider:

mkay

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Zider:

I haven't seen any tvs, videos or dvds without scarts

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Zider:

my tv even has 3 scarts

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Zider:

the thing I like about those are that the tv automatically switches to the right port when a dvd or vcr is powered up

[03:48:34]

Zider:

which isn't the case for composite/svideo

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J-e-f-f-A:

Zider: In the us it's actually illegal for a DVD player to have an RGB output...

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Zider:

J-e-f-f-A: well you don't have to connect the RGBs in the scart :P

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hads:

J-e-f-f-A: Wow, didn't know that.

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c0re:

me either

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J-e-f-f-A:

Zider: Yeah, I know. Scart can be as 'low' as composite video & audio, all the way up to RGB video and Audio...

[03:49:52]

Zider:

J-e-f-f-A: ..and combined all of them.. :)

[03:50:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

The reason is that RGB is too easily converted back to a very high-quality video signal... Although it's just as easy now to copy a DVD with a computer, so it's probably a useless law now...

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hads:

Yeah, some laws are odd

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J-e-f-f-A:

I know a guy who has an el-cheapo chinese dvd player that has an output that's switchable from component to RGB. We hooked up his old Sony VPH-1020 projector with RGB that way, and it looks twice as good as composite... ;-) Technically that player is illegal here, but it must have slipped through the cracks...

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RvnPhnx:

how/where does one sign up for channel/program data (USA)?

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hads:

I believe it's zap2it for listings in the US

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xris:

RvnPhnx: it's covered in the documentation

[03:55:23]

RvnPhnx:

xris if it was I wouldn't be here

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hads:

J-e-f-f-A: heh, that's amusing

[03:55:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

RvnPhnx, Yes – labs.zap2it.com

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xris:

RvnPhnx: it's there. you didn't read closely enough.

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xris:

the URL and the access code are in the docs (the *official* docs)

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RvnPhnx:

J-e-f-f-A thank you

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xris:

RvnPhnx: you still need an access code

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hads:

RvnPhnx: Wow, way to get smart to people trying to help

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RvnPhnx:

xris I'll grep it and let you know

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J-e-f-f-A:

RvnPhnx, And it's in the docs too... The access code is in there too.

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RvnPhnx:

J-e-f-f-A when I find out how much of it isn't in my copy I'll start looking for the right packager/tarballer to hang........as I said, I don't bother real humans until a good solid attempt to decrypt documentation fails

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xris:

RvnPhnx: um, docs are online

[03:58:34]

RvnPhnx:

xris obviously something is wrong then if I'm here

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xris:

http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amythtv. . . . s.zap2it.com

[03:59:16]

xris:

btw, if you're compiling from source, you *really* should be using the "fixes" branch in svn. lots of fixes.

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RvnPhnx:

xris If I have to do that (I hope not) then I'll take that advice seriously

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xris:

RvnPhnx: why would you "hope not"? mythtv doesn't do sub-point releases. there will almost always be fixes applied to the tree that aren't in the tarballs.

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RvnPhnx:

xris I hope not because I'm on a fsck-ing modem

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xris:

most mythtv users install via packages, which keep up to date. If you're not using a package, it's recommended that you grab from the fixes branch in svn (as upposed to svn head/trunk, which is the development granch)

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xris:

RvnPhnx: tarball will work. fixes branch will work better.

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RvnPhnx:

k

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** J-e-f-f-A wishes he could use a sattelite card in his myth box in the US!!!! **

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hads:

Freeview via sattelite is just coming out here. We're having issues as Sky is on vertical polarity and Freeeview is on Horizontal

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RvnPhnx:

hmm.....only a couple of thousand SQL errors......I must have done something right

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xris:

RvnPhnx: what happened?

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RvnPhnx:

xris looks like I borked a table somewhere......not a big deal

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RvnPhnx:

something which does seem to bugger things up a little is that the time on the machine I'm using for mythtv is set to UTC

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xris:

so? as long as your timezone offset is set correctly, you should be fine

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RvnPhnx:

that's kinda what I thought too.......so something didn't take

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xris:

did you create the database, etc. first?

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RvnPhnx:

yes, I did that, a while ago (when I discovered that my previous tuner is crap).......I think I corrupted it somewhere along the line

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xris:

ahh

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xris:

so this is an upgrade, not an install?

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RvnPhnx:

no, it was an install when done, I just re-configured it for the new tuner today

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RvnPhnx:

I'm going to download the latest package I can get my hands on and try to break that

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RvnPhnx:

unfortunely it'll have to download while I sleep

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RvnPhnx:

damn mo-dumb

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xris:

I remember those days. annoying

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xris:

I'd recommend going for -fixes... or using packages for your distro.

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RvnPhnx:

yep.....I can't wait until the satelite folks are installing again (the only broadband option I have)

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RvnPhnx:

I'll be grabbing the slack 10.2+ format 0.20 package, and letting it rebuild the DB

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RvnPhnx:

hmm.....now it's only complaining about syntax........must be time for a nap...........

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ffish:

when setting up a PVR500 to capture through the first S-Video port (in addition to the two built-in tuners) which /dev/videoXX do I use?

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onewheelskyward:

ffish: You can check your ivtv startup to be positive.

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onewheelskyward:

ffish: It should list the input and the corresponding /dev/video device.

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ffish:

ok, I'm seeing "ivtv0: Registered device video32 for encoder YUV"

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ffish:

and "ivtv0: Registered device video24 for encoder PCM audio"

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onewheelskyward:

Shoot...for some reason I thought it was more verbose than that. Let me look at my 350's init cycle.

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ffish:

it's very verbose

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ffish:

which is part of the problem :)

[05:17:07]

onewheelskyward:

Well, I thought it was more human-readable. :)

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GreyFoxx:

ffish: No

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onewheelskyward:

Aah because that comes off the encoder, no matter what the input?

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GreyFoxx:

In mythtv-setup you attach a video source to a inputer under Input Connections

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GreyFoxx:

onewheelskyward: right

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ffish:

now the obvious question is whether or not I can even do what I'm trying to do

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ffish:

i.e., use the built-in tuners along with an s-video/rca-audio pair

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GreyFoxx:

sure you can

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GreyFoxx:

but only 1 per "card" at a time

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ffish:

is that because there's only 2 MPEG encoders in the card?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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ffish:

(where "card" == entirety of a PVR500)

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ffish:

ok

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ffish:

so in that case (at least for my case) the answer is "no"

[05:20:29]

ffish:

is there any way to get the input from the s-video/rca without using one of the mpeg encoders?

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GreyFoxx:

yes, but not while the tuner is in use

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GreyFoxx:

assuming it's not otherwise in use you can use the YUV output

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ffish:

again, for my case that looks like a "no" :(

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GreyFoxx:

what precisley are you trying to do

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ffish:

I am running coax from the wall to the pvr500 and using those tuners

[05:22:14]

ffish:

so that takes care of the analog cable channels

[05:22:24]

ffish:

but thanks to comcast, all of the digital cable channels are encrypted

[05:22:35]

ffish:

meaning that if I want to get them I need to grab the output from my cable box

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GreyFoxx:

There is no reason that wouldn't work

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ffish:

but what happens if the 2 analog tuners are in use recording something

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ffish:

like, say, around 10pm tonight when Law&Order and Psych are on at the same time :)

[05:24:19]

GreyFoxx:

Think of it this way

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GreyFoxx:

a PVR 500 can record 2 items ata time, max, no matter what inputs

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ffish:

*nod*

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GreyFoxx:

so it doesn't matter how they are configured

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GreyFoxx:

but you can certainly connect every input on the card to a video source, you are just still limited by the 2 items at a time

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ffish:

hokay

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ffish:

thanks

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ffish:

now if only there was a way to delete a single capture card from mythtv-setup

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GreyFoxx:

highlight the card and hit D

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ffish:

what's the difference between "delete all capture cards" and "delete all capture cards on mythtv"?

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ffish:

ah, indeedy

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GreyFoxx:

all cards = all cards on all backends including any slaves, the other one means this host only which I'm assuming you named "mythtv"

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ffish:

note to self: submit a patch to change the message to "delete all capture cards on this machine ($hostname)"

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GreyFoxx:

or pick a better hostname so that it doesn't match every referrence to the primary application causing confusion ;)

[05:30:32]

ffish:

ah, but that's just what they're expecting me to do!

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snerfu:

I am new to audio, I am looking at a 7.1 surround receiver that puts out 75w per channel. I am looking at a subwoofer for it that has a 100w amp. Is that compatable?

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onewheelskyward:

snerfu: Yes. Wattages need not be compatible if the sub has its own volume control.

[05:40:28]

onewheelskyward:

But...you do not need a sub with an amp if the receiver already has sub amplification. Some do, some don't (even though they support the sub output).

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onewheelskyward:

And, you should not under any circumstances plug an amplified signal into an amplified speaker. It can be bad.

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snerfu:

ohh

[05:57:48]

snerfu:

Can you turn the amp off on a receiver for that channel usually?

[05:59:21]

hjohnson:

ok, I think th eitme has actually come to install mythtv

[05:59:22]

onewheelskyward:

Depends on the receiver.

[05:59:32]

onewheelskyward:

A lot of them don't even amplify the sub, as most of them have a built-in amp.

[05:59:56]

onewheelskyward:

You should decide what receiver you want, check that option and then pick up the sub.

[06:01:21]

hjohnson:

hmm..

[06:02:00]

hjohnson:

should I move my media partition over to XFS instead of ext3?

[06:02:48]

onewheelskyward:

It helps with deletes, but it's not a necessity. myth will work just fine on ext3.

[06:04:27]

hjohnson:

yeah, only reason why I went with ext3 was to have the opportunity to shrink the filesystem if need be

[06:17:17]

hjohnson:

installing the back end, even though I don't have a front end machine yet..

[06:22:21]

hjohnson:

crap, I need an X display to install the back-end?

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gardengnome:

what themes doesn't use vertical lines? that's kind of annoying on an interlaced display

[07:31:31]

kormoc:

gardengnome, g.n.a.t is what I use

[07:31:49]

gardengnome:

hjohnson: you'll only need the x libs

[07:32:06]

gardengnome:

kormoc: thanks, i'm going to try that. i can't srtand the flickering anymore ;)

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hjohnson:

I need a front-end though

[07:37:15]

hjohnson:

maybe I'll buy myself a mac mini tomorrow, and just go with that as a front end plus gaming machine and other things

[07:38:16]

kormoc:

the video card in the mac mini's are that hot, fyi

[07:38:25]

gardengnome:

are not*

[07:38:33]

kormoc:

yeah, are not :P

[07:38:54]

hjohnson:

I know, it's just the intel stuff.

[07:39:05]

hjohnson:

all i'd want to play is things like myst series and civ

[07:39:09]

kormoc:

how's linux support on them anyway?

[07:39:15]

kormoc:

last I heard they had issues with XV

[07:39:18]

hjohnson:

dunno

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hjohnson:

i'd just run osx on it

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hjohnson:

the idea is to have a very compact, quiet, livingroom machine

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[08:01:15]

adante:

http://www.woot.com/

[08:11:30]

** xris wonders how quiet it really is **

[08:11:50]

xris:

was going to build a new mythbox with my tax refund, but then I remembered that I own a house, and it's hungry for my spare cash.

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[08:13:30]

cesman:

:)

[08:13:43]

cesman:

well, our booth is setup and ready

[08:13:55]

cesman:

they had power issues at the hotel

[08:14:11]

cesman:

it took our our surge suppressor and IBM's

[08:14:17]

cesman:

I'm beat...

[08:14:28]

xris:

ouch.

[08:14:29]

cesman:

and I have two full days ahead of me

[08:14:34]

cesman:

not to mention next week

[08:14:37]

xris:

cool

[08:14:53]

cesman:

yeah, I'm glad it didn't take out the Dragon 2.0- and my HDTV

[08:14:59]

xris:

heh

[08:15:13]

xris:

well, don't forget to drop by the simech booth and say hi.

[08:15:41]

kormoc:

which show is it again?

[08:15:44]

xris:

scale

[08:15:50]

kormoc:

ahh, right

[08:15:53]

xris:

I know Ken's there. can't remember who else went.

[08:16:12]

kormoc:

I didn't see shane there today

[08:16:39]

xris:

I did

[08:16:46]

xris:

plus he's scheduled to "give blood" tomorrow. heh

[08:17:07]

kormoc:

ooh? not sure I heard about that?

[08:17:30]

xris:

huh? not related to simech. I just have access to his calendar

[08:17:37]

kormoc:

ahh, heh, fair nuff

[08:18:10]

xris:

blech. looking at the calendar reminded me that I need to schedule time with HR.

[08:18:29]

kormoc:

bah

[08:20:03]

xris:

cesman: anyway, keep us in touch about the show. I'm curious how it'll go, since it'll probably give some indication how linuxfest will go, too.

[08:21:41]

kinectio1:

can anybody here explain to me of any legal issues involved with using MythTV for playing DVDs?

[08:21:57]

xris:

kinectio1: are you in the US?

[08:22:00]

kinectio1:

yea

[08:22:16]

xris:

then it's illegal.

[08:22:26]

xris:

stupid, but illegal.

[08:22:30]

kinectio1:

:/ is there anyway around that?

[08:22:45]

kinectio1:

i heard of lindvd going to be or has already released a legal dvd player for linux

[08:22:52]

kinectio1:

will this be integrated into mythtv in the future?

[08:22:54]

xris:

I think that the people who make windvd make a player for linux, but I don't know anything about it.

[08:23:00]

kinectio1:

ah

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xris:

kinectio1: the problem with dvd playback (and decss in particular) is that it costs money.

[08:23:31]

kinectio1:

yes, i know that it costs money

[08:23:41]

xris:

technically, dvd playback in mythtv is completely legal.. it's the decss stuff that isn't, and that's outside of mythtv.

[08:23:45]

kinectio1:

but it's a step towards wider acceptance and distribution possibilities for mythtv

[08:23:46]

xris:

not all dvds are encrypted.

[08:24:49]

kormoc:

kinectio1, actually, the real reason is you can't have a open source legal dvd player, and myth is a open source project.

[08:25:12]

xris:

I don't think the mythtv authors care about wider distribution in that sense. none of us is expecting to make money off of mythtv, and if other groups DO want to sell mythtv, they're plenty capable of paying for the rights to do decss.

[08:25:15]

kinectio1:

but, you can have closed source code to be repackged with mythtv correct?

[08:25:28]

xris:

but then, I don't know how it works for GPL compatibility.

[08:25:29]

kinectio1:

as long as it is not a derived work

[08:25:37]

xris:

not that mythtv is actually gpl compatible (mp3 support), either.

[08:25:37]

kormoc:

kinectio1, against what the devs want

[08:26:01]

kormoc:

kinectio1, and besides, you can select what player to use in the plugin, so you can set it to use a binary, legal player if you wish

[08:26:22]

kinectio1:

it's the same thing with binary video drivers

[08:26:26]

kinectio1:

the way i see it

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xris:

kinectio1: no one is stopping anyone from including a closed-source (or at least non-gpl) video/dvd player with legal decss support.

[08:27:34]

kinectio1:

hmm, yea.

[08:27:43]

kormoc:

kinectio1, I think you have a mistaken impression that there's someone who wants myth to be widely accepted and used. It's really just a pet project for a lot of people and happens to be useful to a lot more. It's not really ment to take over the world or to become something huge

[08:27:52]

xris:

kinectio1: however, the decss stuff really isn't related to mythtv at all. All you'd have to do is purchase a legal app to unlock the dvd. mythtv will then read it just fine.

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xris:

kormoc: YET! ;)

[08:28:26]

kormoc:

xris, heh, true :P

[08:28:40]

kinectio1:

kormoc: oh, i'm sure that's true. But linux didn't start over as a project to take over the world either :). It's the users that end up doing that.

[08:28:46]

kinectio1:

what xris said.

[08:28:48]

xris:

I often wonder where things would go if isaac loosened up a little.

[08:28:54]

kinectio1:

who's isaac?

[08:28:59]

kormoc:

the lead dev

[08:29:02]

kinectio1:

ah

[08:29:18]

xris:

isaac "is" mythtv

[08:29:25]

kinectio1:

oh, gotcha.

[08:29:35]

kormoc:

I actually don't mind overly much, as I'm fine with it being ment for more technical people, more usable in my opinion :P

[08:29:36]

xris:

he owns the copyright/left to the name, etc.

[08:29:56]

xris:

we're not exactly sure who owns things like the server that hosts mythtv.org.

[08:30:25]

kinectio1:

i'm just thinking of the possibilities of having mythtv be a viable competitor to windows media center

[08:30:28]

kormoc:

xris, I think given it was donated to the project and he's the lead of the project, that he would.

[08:30:31]

xris:

Isaac's really conscious about not attracting any undeserved attention from groups like the riaa/mpaa, so he fights pretty hard against forming a nonprofit, etc.

[08:30:46]

xris:

kormoc: yes. I think it would come down to him owning it, if that was the case.

[08:30:52]

xris:

not sure what he did on his taxes for that one. heh.

[08:31:10]

xris:

kinectio1: there have been groups that tried to deal with all of those legalities.

[08:31:18]

kinectio1:

what happened to that?

[08:31:34]

xris:

http://www.google.com/search?q=lxmsuite

[08:32:13]

xris:

they pretty much died

[08:32:22]

xris:

despite having some pretty heavy hitters backing them financially

[08:32:51]

xris:

just not enough market out there for most stuff

[08:33:02]

kinectio1:

what do you mean?

[08:33:11]

kinectio1:

not a big enough market?

[08:33:32]

xris:

the goal at first was to provide something like a $5/month subscription service for enhanced tv listings, along with movie listings.

[08:33:46]

kinectio1:

oh, that's not what i'm talking about though.

[08:33:51]

kinectio1:

i'm talking about selling media centers.

[08:34:05]

xris:

they were also working to build a "myth on a flash drive" distro, along with a high-end piece of hardware to go along with it.

[08:34:05]

kinectio1:

media pcs, like windows media center edition

[08:34:20]

kormoc:

kinectio1, lots of people try to do that, none really get anywhere

[08:34:27]

kinectio1:

why's that?

[08:34:30]

kormoc:

support is the main killer

[08:34:31]

xris:

as well as a standardized hardware spec for users or other companies to build their own.

[08:34:48]

kinectio1:

hmm.

[08:35:11]

xris:

kinectio1: the average mythtv user is a geek. tinkerer. If you try to sell him (and yes, it's mostly just guys) a $1000 system that he knows he can get the pieces for at newegg for $600, he's going to build it himself.

[08:35:16]

kormoc:

kinectio1, the license that zap2it has it that only the end users get it, can't be use commerically. So you need to buy some way to get listings for your users.

[08:35:53]

kinectio1:

xris: what if you market to someone who is not the average mythtv user?

[08:35:57]

kormoc:

kinectio1, also, people don't want their things to break, ever. That's where support comes into play and it's rather costly, esp when it involves things like ir blasters and/or firewire

[08:36:20]

xris:

kinectio1: only way you'd make money is to target the ultra-high-end

[08:36:41]

kinectio1:

that's what i'm thinking of

[08:36:41]

kormoc:

just think if comcast rolls out a new firmware in PA, and you now have an entire state of users calling, wanting it fixed now

[08:37:39]

kinectio1:

how does windows MCE handle such a situation?

[08:37:47]

kormoc:

kinectio1, it doesn't support most setups

[08:37:51]

xris:

kinectio1: you'd need to arrange rights for decss (*not* an easy task — a dvd jukebox company has already been sued out of existence even AFTER getting legal permission from the same people), along with rights for the listings service.

[08:38:46]

kormoc:

xris, there's a linux version of cyberlink's powerdvd that turbo linux used to ship with way back when. could likely license it again

[08:39:11]

kormoc:

but it was costly iirc, and didn't support menus that well

[08:39:18]

xris:

kormoc: could license playback, but not ripping/storage.

[08:39:27]

kinectio1:

if you were to sell a preinstalled mythtv box in a very specific configuration, i think it'd be possible

[08:39:29]

kormoc:

true enough

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kormoc:

kinectio1, listings would still need to be addressed

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justinh:

morning all

[08:40:06]

kinectio1:

kormoc: is it hard to get a subscription?

[08:40:11]

xris:

kormoc: that's what got that other company into trouble. And it wasn't a cheap box. was like $20k with a terabyte of storage or something like that. they got all of the licensing stuff worked out, and when they went to market, the mpaa basically did a double take.

[08:40:45]

kormoc:

kinectio1, not really, but you need to remember to renew every 3 months, and most people won't

[08:40:47]

xris:

kinectio1: there are people who sell boxes with mythtv installed and mostly configured. But the only way you'd be able to make money on that is to NOT provide support for mythtv.

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kinectio1:

hmm, well. suport would be a problem if you start at a national level... but a more local base wouldn't be as bad.

[08:43:24]

justinh:

a seller of mythtv boxes has to be careful of the 'for personal use only' restriction of EPG data. Not to mention mp3 & dvd playback licence issues

[08:43:46]

kormoc:

justinh, heh, yeah, we've been talking bout that

[08:43:58]

xris:

kinectio1: you have to figure that *good* margin on selling hardware is bout 20%. Factor in R&D and production costs brings that down to around 10%.

[08:44:08]

justinh:

then they also have to be careful about coming onto mailing lists & passing on feature requests from their customers ;)

[08:44:11]

kinectio1:

oh, i'm completely aware of that

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kormoc:

kinectio1, "For any users interested in commercial opportunities for DataDirect, please send an e-mail to labs@zap2it.com and we will follow up with you directly."

[08:45:05]

xris:

so if you can manage to sell a mythbox at the "sweet spot" of $600–800, keeping in mind that you're competing with cable/satellite DVR options at $10/month or less, you still only make $60–80 per box in profit, which you then have to use to pay off your support techs, etc.

[08:45:46]

xris:

kinectio1: if you couldn't tell, I've thought about this a LOT. I work for a VAR who actually has the resources to pull something like this off, but we've all agreed time and time again that at best, we'd break even.

[08:46:23]

justinh:

I've thought about this as well and the one thing I wouldn't want to do is the tech support

[08:46:25]

kinectio1:

well, the guy i'm asking these questions for currently does MCE installations and is looking at linux. and he currently makes massive margins.

[08:46:59]

xris:

the most viable financial idea I've had about this is to run "build your own dvr" workshops.. charge for the time and instruction, with maybe a small margin on the hardware.

[08:47:00]

justinh:

at the top end of the market, margins are obviously much higher – but then the number of prospective customers is a lot smaller

[08:47:29]

kinectio1:

yea

[08:48:07]

justinh:

paid-for tech support for mythtv :-P

[08:48:22]

xris:

kinectio1: you also have to remember that if you're providing the whole dvr service, you'll need a way to install updates remotely, etc.

[08:48:57]

xris:

you could probably find a few hundred threads on the -users mailing list about this. I don't think there have been any new ideas on the subject in a long time.

[08:49:15]

xris:

almost all of the good ones require at least some sort of coding

[08:49:31]

justinh:

most people make the obvious assumption that there must be gold in them thar hills with minimum input. they couldn't be more wrong

[08:50:05]

xris:

justinh: it works great on the small scale.. few people here and there for some extra spending cash.

[08:50:20]

kormoc:

xris, that's hardly gold tho :P

[08:50:20]

xris:

but most people with the skills to do that can make enough spending cash doing other things.

[08:50:28]

xris:

kormoc: small pieces of gold. :)

[08:50:31]

kormoc:

heh

[08:51:09]

justinh:

yes, like those specialised home cinema installer guys. I think they'd be the sort of person who'd make money they could live off

[08:51:51]

kinectio1:

that's pretty much what i'm talking about

[08:52:18]

justinh:

I think your friend is after going down the linux route to increase his margins

[08:52:31]

kormoc:

just don't expect to get free support from here, or mailing lists, or forums

[08:52:53]

kinectio1:

i'm sure he is

[08:53:06]

kinectio1:

i think it's interesting and i want to try my hand at playing with mythtv

[08:54:02]

justinh:

I've seen folks from companies at linux shows just wanting to come in, take the stuff as is, adapt it a little & make a packet selling niche boxes

[08:54:37]

xris:

kinectio1: if you want to see what happens when someone tries to get the mythtv community to do free work, check out http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/251450

[08:54:38]

kinectio1:

you don't like the idea of them not contributing back to the community, is that what you are saying?

[08:54:58]

justinh:

kinectio1: yeah – why should they get all the gravy?

[08:55:06]

kinectio1:

oh, i've considered that myself

[08:55:06]

xris:

kinectio1: it's not just about not contributing back. It's about abusing the good nature of the community so "you" can make money off of other people's worh.

[08:55:18]

xris:

work

[08:55:18]

kinectio1:

and being an open source fanatic myself. i agree

[08:55:43]

kinectio1:

i donate back to software i find that i like and use

[08:56:09]

xris:

you won't find any donation links for mythtv. aside from a couple of personal pages like mine and justinh's

[08:56:24]

justinh:

I don't have any donation links

[08:56:33]

xris:

ah. thought you did.

[08:56:35]

xris:

mine's hidden, too

[08:56:45]

kinectio1:

yea, i read about the don't want to be catching attention from RIAA/MPAA bit from before

[08:57:16]

justinh:

I considered it, but I had enough users asking for stuff for free & thought it'd only be worse once people paid money – then I'd almost be obliged

[08:57:20]

xris:

well, it's partly that, and partly that Isaac doesn't want people to say stuff like "but I gave you $20, why don't you implement my feature!"

[08:57:30]

xris:

justinh: ^^^^

[08:57:48]

justinh:

some users have a bad enough attitude as it is ;)

[08:58:06]

justinh:

"hey! I contributed already when I whined about xyz features"

[08:58:10]

kormoc:

depending on the day, %s/some/most/

[08:58:58]

xris:

kinectio1: people are upset at the openmedia guy mainly because he seems unwilling to do his own work. If his users request something, he just tries to pawn the work off on the community, rather than contributing.

[08:59:25]

kormoc:

same with support

[08:59:40]

kormoc:

he's sold a few boxes and just tossed his customers in here for support

[08:59:52]

kormoc:

and they've been somewhat unhappy, given they 'paid' for it

[08:59:58]

kinectio1:

eww

[09:00:02]

xris:

I often receive emails from people wanting to pay me or other devs to do mythtv development work, but they're usually shot down because the nature of whatever project it is goes against the open nature of the community.

[09:00:17]

kinectio1:

what do you mean by that?

[09:00:17]

xris:

kinectio1: however, you now have an example of how NOT to do it. :)

[09:00:25]

kinectio1:

lol, thanks

[09:00:31]

justinh:

the whole idea of bounties leaves me cold too

[09:00:46]

xris:

stuff like "would you develop this plugin for mythtv. It can be gpl, but our company will never release it, and you can't share the code with the other devs"

[09:00:58]

kinectio1:

oh

[09:01:15]

kinectio1:

wait, how can it be gpl and not released?

[09:01:26]

xris:

justinh: I don't mind bounties too much.. but there's no easy way to do them fairly... and then someone has to judge what counts as making it.

[09:01:28]

kormoc:

if it's internal usage only, it doesn't need to be released

[09:01:36]

xris:

kinectio1: you don't have to release gpl code if you don't release a binary

[09:01:37]

kinectio1:

oh

[09:01:48]

kinectio1:

well if you are selling a box, then you are legally bound to distribute source though,correct?

[09:01:58]

xris:

when asked, yes.

[09:02:19]

xris:

I think that particular project was for an internal-only proof of concept, though.

[09:02:20]

kinectio1:

i think i've already made that clear to my friend. he understands that. and he really doesn't mind

[09:02:23]

xris:

but smelled a bit fishy.

[09:03:01]

xris:

many of us also feel that mythtv isn't quite ready for "prime time" in that sense.

[09:03:25]

xris:

it suffers from many of the problems that a lot of open source programs do, in that it has to support too many different platforms, etc.

[09:04:04]

kinectio1:

well, again, if it's a closed box. then that's not a problem. you support very few things.

[09:04:10]

kinectio1:

you support the box you sell

[09:04:36]

xris:

to some extent, yes.

[09:05:02]

xris:

but to do that, you have to write your own setup/settings handlers.. to hide all of the unwanted stuff from users.

[09:05:12]

kormoc:

and you also support any strange requests your customers do too

[09:05:25]

kormoc:

"I upgraded to HD and I want to record it, how do I do it?"

[09:05:35]

xris:

you also have to deal with things like what happens when hauppauge changes the chipsets on the pvr-150 card and breaks linux compatibility.. without telling anyone or changing the part number, etc, etc.

[09:06:09]

xris:

or problems with when the cable company decides to start encrypting all HD channels....

[09:06:10]

kinectio1:

but sending them to the community for support is already decided as unacceptable. being that.. his words were "I would never send my customers to linux people for support."

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xris:

I'd be impressed if he could pull it off.

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xris:

(and I mean that in a good way)

[09:10:16]

kinectio1:

i'm not sure if you would believe me being that i sense that you guys have plenty of bad experience with this.

[09:10:39]

kinectio1:

but i'm actually just interested in see where this could go

[09:10:50]

kinectio1:

not in terms of money

[09:11:11]

xris:

personally, I'm all for getting mythtv out into the non-technical community.

[09:12:01]

justinh:

aye – mythtv @ CES... I'd love to see that some day

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xris:

there are some cool projects out there related to mythtv (recently learned that a nokia-sponsored group is trying to build a frontend for the n800 tablet device), and mythtv itself is getting better all the time (I've used it for around 4 years, and been a dev for almost as long), but it still has the feel of a tinkerer's toy.

[09:12:46]

justinh:

rent a massive trailer & turn it into a mythtv 'house' :)

[09:13:11]

justinh:

there are too many setup menus

[09:13:25]

xris:

but there would have to be a pretty big mindset change before it becomes easily mainstreamable.

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xris:

justinh: yeah, and they're not properly laid out.

[09:14:25]

xris:

problem with "developers writing software for themselves" is that things like UI tend to suffer. MythTV is pretty good about it, but there are a LOT of areas where it falls short. and people would rather add new features than clean up existing code/interfaces.

[09:14:54]

xris:

just look at how long I've been delaying the new interface stuff in mythweb svn. it's not even halfway done yet and I've been playing with channel icon stuff for the last 3 weeks

[09:15:00]

xris:

instead

[09:15:28]

justinh:

I've been having bother playing back xvids smoothly on my frontend & realised why yesterday – so I managed to change the player command with only my remote. that I like a lot

[09:15:45]

kinectio1:

lol, xris have you seen "powergrep" ?

[09:16:27]

kinectio1:

xris: http://www.powergrep.com/screens/powergrep800.png

[09:16:55]

xris:

kinectio1: ouch

[09:16:57]

justinh:

well xris I think icons are important. I need to start working on my super-config wizard thing for UK users again this year – then maybe somebody can help turn it into 'real' code

[09:17:25]

xris:

justinh: don't even bother with that. my lookup stuff should handle all of it.

[09:17:32]

xris:

I have all of lyngsat archived and searchable.

[09:17:49]

justinh:

nah this is the UK-zap2it brainwave I had

[09:17:56]

xris:

oh?

[09:18:32]

justinh:

bunch of scripts & xml files – asks the user questions about their TV provider / package details – then scuttles off & configs the channel table

[09:18:45]

justinh:

that's the grand plan

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xris:

should be able to write a section into the frontend to let users interactively search for channel icons, pick the correct one from a list (derrived from services.mythtv.org once I activate it) and both add it to the db and submit it back to the website for inclusion so future users don't even get prompted.

[09:18:55]

xris:

nice

[09:19:50]

justinh:

the only possible spanner in the works for that is providers changing channel lineups & numbering but it shouldn't be too hard to keep on top of. might ultimately mean keeping the config files 'live' online

[09:20:26]

xris:

I'll eventually have a full db of all xmltvid and zap2it values, a bunch of callsigns (both real and fake) and groups of dvb/atsc frequency id info. all linked to channel icons.

[09:20:30]

xris:

it makes my head hurt.

[09:20:31]

justinh:

woo had a new idea.. there could be an rss feed to indicate lineup changes ;)

[09:21:14]

justinh:

it's not a very big deal when you think about it apart from all the data entry

[09:21:35]

xris:

if it's easy enough, I can probably stick it on services.mythtv.org

[09:21:44]

xris:

isaac gave me web space to deal with stuff like this.

[09:21:52]

justinh:

but as I've said before I have quite enough on my plate right now ;)

[09:21:56]

xris:

yeah.

[09:21:59]

xris:

same here.

[09:22:12]

xris:

http://bossaconference.org/

[09:22:23]

xris:

hopefully both Captain_Murdoch and I will be able to go.

[09:22:29]

justinh:

mythgallery is the next thing that'll be getting my attention. it too needs a themeable background container

[09:22:54]

** xris votes for getting blootube to replace Blue as the official theme **

[09:22:57]

justinh:

I had a quick look last night & it looks like it'll be a fairly trivial copy & paste like mythvideo was

[09:23:27]

justinh:

oo that'll be a good trip xris :)

[09:23:50]

xris:

if I can go.

[09:24:05]

xris:

still not sure what benefit I'd be to them, but I'm not about to turn down a free trip to brazil.

[09:24:15]

justinh:

heheh

[09:24:28]

xris:

that's the nokia n800 stuff I mentioned earlier.

[09:24:34]

xris:

and http://gmyth.sf.net

[09:25:12]

justinh:

whoah!

[09:25:36]

justinh:

here comes that word again.. awesome!

[09:26:18]

xris:

seems like a cool idea.

[09:26:29]

xris:

and at least some of it is inline with stuff that Captain_Murdoch and I had already been planning.

[09:26:46]

justinh:

not only for mobile devices either – I can see that making more frontend apps easier to produce

[09:28:02]

justinh:

I still feel a bit wary of gstreamer though – not sure it lives up to its hype. I'm always suspicious of stuff surrounded by 'buzz'

[09:28:18]

xris:

yeah. and for interacting with upnp devices...

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xris:

the gstreamer stuff is just for playback.

[09:29:03]

xris:

the backend changes like "multiple files per recording" and an enhanced mythtranscode that can export other formats (basically replacing nuvexport) would open the doors to a lot of other devices...

[09:29:11]

xris:

think of auto syncing with ipods, etc...

[09:29:17]

justinh:

aye

[09:29:30]

xris:

or auto downsizing mpeg2 stuff to resolutions that upnp devices can play

[09:30:10]

xris:

auto flashvideo for mythweb, including livetv, etc.

[09:30:15]

justinh:

I've been very impressed by what I've seen mythstreamtv do, so I have a good idea what's possible

[09:30:17]

xris:

so many cool things I can think of.

[09:30:35]

xris:

I've never actually messed with mythstreamtv.

[09:30:48]

xris:

it's always seemed lacking, since it doesn't support cutlists (or so I've been told)

[09:31:01]

justinh:

I've never messed with it in anger – I was just curious if it'd work or not

[09:31:19]

justinh:

and yes, it did, even over my puny broadband pipe

[09:31:50]

justinh:

shocked a resident MCE fanboy at work that's for sure

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xris:

heh

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xris:

I just know that I can do better... could do it NOW, but I'd rather shoot for a more mature solution with support in the backend, etc.

[09:33:33]

justinh:

yeah make it native :)

[09:33:40]

xris:

needs to cache, needs to support the cutlist, and needs for the web app NOT to have to manage the cache.

[09:33:47]

justinh:

one less dependency, a few less config nightmares...

[09:33:52]

xris:

yeah

[09:34:16]

xris:

the perl bindings will also make a lot of things easier to deal with, too... once I stabilize them. heh.

[09:35:24]

kinectio1:

mythtv has perl bindings?

[09:35:26]

justinh:

has anybody ever tested how secure mythtv is?

[09:35:35]

kormoc:

secure?

[09:35:56]

justinh:

like if some eejut left all his ports open, could anybody exploit it?

[09:36:37]

justinh:

just wondering because I've seen a few init scripts running mythbackend as root

[09:36:49]

kormoc:

hrm

[09:37:01]

kormoc:

I'd imagine so, but nothing to base it on other the just my gut

[09:37:27]

justinh:

I know the argument though – if some eejut leaves all his ports open – hello just desserts ;)

[09:37:49]

kormoc:

heh, aye!

[09:37:54]

xris:

kinectio1: mostly only usable in svn

[09:37:56]

justinh:

just a random thought that crept in

[09:38:57]

xris:

justinh: it's not particularly secure

[09:41:14]

justinh:

yeah but at the same time, nobody needs it to be right now because it's not intended to be internet-facing

[09:42:11]

justinh:

me & my random questions.. ;)

[09:42:21]

xris:

yup

[09:42:26]

xris:

plenty of open mythweb installs, though

[09:44:19]

** xris should go to sleep **

[09:44:22]

kinectio1:

well, thank you xris, kormoc, and justinh for answering a lot of my questions. it's time for me to head off to sleep.

[09:44:36]

kinectio1:

good night

[09:49:29]

** justinh prepares to do some webpagery **

[09:49:51]

justinh:

maybe there'll be fresh screenshots to look at when you wake up xris

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xris:

:)

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esperegu:

saluton amikoj!

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esperegu:

I want to buy a new analog capture card for mythtv. any recomendations?

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justinh:

hauppauge pvr150

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esperegu:

the 500 is not good?

[10:58:42]

esperegu:

Milosch: I asume you mean a hauppauge right?

[10:58:45]

Milosch:

they're good, basically two 150's in one

[10:58:59]

Milosch:

yeah, there have been cases of a switcheroo on the 150's lately

[10:59:36]

esperegu:

Milosch: On the overview page I see that the 150 is said to support hardware encoding but the 500 not. is that an error?

[10:59:42]

Milosch:

replacement card which, while good, doesn't work in linux as a standard def tuner

[10:59:58]

Milosch:

the 500 has two encoders

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esperegu:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Video_ca . . . ncoder_cards

[11:00:11]

esperegu:

in that list

[11:00:17]

Milosch:

yes, i have a 500

[11:00:23]

Milosch:

linux sees it as two 150's

[11:00:44]

esperegu:

what does CC Stream/CC MPEG2 mean?

[11:00:58]

esperegu:

ok

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esperegu:

hmmpf... 2 150's is even cheaper that one 500

[11:02:00]

Milosch:

weird

[11:02:08]

Milosch:

well, at least you save a slot ;)

[11:02:13]

esperegu:

=)

[11:02:25]

Milosch:

for my box that was critical

[11:02:37]

esperegu:

u have good box?

[11:02:38]

Milosch:

mini atx, 2 pci slots

[11:02:56]

esperegu:

I hate the noice of pc's ... grrr ;-)

[11:03:01]

clever:

i just found a free 15gid

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Milosch:

in an antex fusion case

[11:03:08]

clever:

gig*

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clever:

mysql had binary logs on:O

[11:03:22]

Milosch:

clever: that one got me, too

[11:03:31]

clever:

last 20 days of changes

[11:03:36]

clever:

on a main server

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Milosch:

have a 5G partition for mysql, and it filled up

[11:03:50]

Milosch:

turned off binary logs, np

[11:03:53]

clever:

these logs where over in /var/log/mysql

[11:04:01]

Milosch:

yep

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Milosch:

hrm, ok

[11:04:08]

clever:

outside of the normal mysql folder

[11:04:20]

clever:

databases normaly go into /var/lib/mysql/databasename

[11:04:47]

Milosch:

well, i have my logs in the same place, i think (customized)

[11:04:53]

clever:

ahh:)

[11:05:11]

Milosch:

mainly to save space on other partitions, leaving enough for a few ripped dvds

[11:05:13]

clever:

i was just using a default my.cnf from the ubuntu package

[11:05:14]

Milosch:

(which I own)

[11:05:39]

Milosch:

i just linked it and moved the files to a new dir..

[11:05:42]

Milosch:

laziness

[11:05:44]

clever:

i was searching for a cd case last night to lable one of the mp3's mythmusic was running

[11:05:50]

clever:

lol

[11:05:59]

clever:

i had a pain trying to get mysql to follow symlinks

[11:06:12]

clever:

gave up and mounted a drive directly into /var/lib/mysql/

[11:06:14]

Milosch:

for the logs it's easy enough, afaik

[11:06:30]

clever:

/dev/hdb5 on /var/lib/mysql/e3news type ext2 (rw)

[11:06:40]

Milosch:

yes, i have the same...

[11:06:48]

Milosch:

hda5 ;)

[11:06:56]

clever:

the partitioning on that system is a mess

[11:07:01]

Milosch:

the big disk is sda...

[11:07:16]

clever:

the hdb1 has 2mb free

[11:07:19]

clever:

out of 1.4gig

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Milosch:

the case only has space for two, properly mounted

[11:07:37]

clever:

it wouldnt be good for a myth backend:P

[11:08:00]

Milosch:

nope ;)

[11:08:08]

clever:

i have a laptop harddrive in an external enclosure

[11:08:10]

clever:

sitting ontop of the cddrive

[11:08:16]

clever:

with half the covers off the box

[11:08:25]

Milosch:

real science project

[11:08:57]

clever:

once i regain this 15gig i'll be able to get a few more hours of shows on the myth box

[11:09:18]

Milosch:

yes, the 250G i bought stays pretty full

[11:09:33]

Milosch:

i'd like to be able to keep more episodes of some shows

[11:09:38]

clever:

i got a 80gig drive to replace my dying server

[11:09:44]

clever:

and it only had 60gig of free space

[11:11:17]

clever:

20gig of data allready on it

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Milosch:

esperegu: still there?

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esperegu:

Milosch: jes. wazzup?

[11:19:07]

Milosch:

it is possible to get a 500 with a decent remote and ir receiver/blaster in a kit

[11:19:15]

Milosch:

so look for that when comparing prices

[11:19:32]

esperegu:

why should i need that?

[11:19:57]

Milosch:

the blaster is handy if you want to change channels on a cable box or vcr

[11:20:07]

Milosch:

but, you can get all of that separately, too

[11:20:26]

esperegu:

Milosch: the kit version is 58 euros more than the oem.

[11:20:36]

clever:

i need to get arround to making an ir blaster too

[11:21:13]

Milosch:

but normally they are more

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esperegu:

pfe... that's like 70 euro here..

[11:21:57]

Milosch:

was on ebay, low stock one time deal

[11:22:50]

Milosch:

also, you can get an expansion card to add another svideo/comp input, mine only came with one

[11:23:05]

Milosch:

so, with that you could have 3 a/v inputs

[11:23:32]

esperegu:

I already have a cheap capture card right now.

[11:23:36]

esperegu:

but that sux

[11:23:54]

Milosch:

you might want to consider going for HD...

[11:24:18]

Milosch:

here in the US, my cards will be relatively worthless in 2 years

[11:24:19]

esperegu:

but then I need a HD provider

[11:24:24]

Milosch:

or not as useful anyway

[11:25:08]

Milosch:

i could still use the video inputs for a security system i guess ;)

[11:25:33]

esperegu:

but with HD you can't watch normal analog TV right?

[11:26:10]

esperegu:

Milosch: ?

[11:26:11]

Milosch:

not through those tuners anyway, unless you have cable/sat which does the upconversion

[11:26:22]

esperegu:

aha

[11:26:31]

esperegu:

So that does not make much sense then.

[11:26:40]

Milosch:

not clear how that all works since i have avoided hd so far

[11:26:57]

Milosch:

but i have 2 years to decide now

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esperegu:

I think I will just stick to internet streams on the digital part ;-)

[11:27:48]

esperegu:

And think about spending on a 150 or 500 or 500kit

[11:29:23]

Milosch:

having a plugin to read an online video host would be nice

[11:29:59]

Milosch:

but i guess that is more of an available technical info issue (drm, blah blah blah)

[11:30:02]

esperegu:

I use the webbrowser currently to connect to googlevideo etc. those are flashstreams

[11:30:08]

esperegu:

drm sux

[11:30:30]

Milosch:

i was thinking about vongo, apple, and whatever microsoft is doing

[11:31:10]

Milosch:

i see 'incompatible os' when i go to vongo.com ;)

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esperegu:

lol... I see that one has to be in the US to view ;-)

[11:32:33]

Milosch:

and running xp or vista

[11:32:44]

Milosch:

but, that's one example of the problem there

[11:33:12]

Milosch:

probably uses drm and some customized codec or worse yet an IE plugin

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null_:

I wonder if I can use two component devices on a PVR-500?

[11:35:13]

Milosch:

?

[11:36:14]

null_:

I.e. If I have two cable decryption boxes, can I both hook up to the component in that the pvr has? will it be splitted like the "normal" cable in?

[11:38:01]

Milosch:

if it only has one input, that means one external box

[11:38:14]

Milosch:

unless you have an external switcher

[11:38:59]

Milosch:

not sure if the other inputs on it will handle component, but somehow i don't think so

[11:39:57]

null_:

Milosch: well, the tv-tuner has only one input too and it splits them up internally

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Milosch:

hrm, does it even have component in?

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null_:

well, maybe it's not compontent, I mean the cinch video/audio inputs :-)

[11:40:32]

Milosch:

null_: yes, but i am pretty sure that's just a simple splitter

[11:40:42]

null_:

hm

[11:41:00]

null_:

well, I could hook one up to the tuner-in and one to the cinch ports...

[11:41:01]

Milosch:

basically you have 2 cards, so you can handle 2 inputs at a time

[11:41:04]

null_:

that should work

[11:41:58]

Milosch:

but, each card has 2 available video inputs (with the backplane expansion)

[11:42:27]

null_:

backplane expansion?

[11:42:51]

Milosch:

there are 2 plugs on the card for 2 backplane video inputs

[11:43:06]

Milosch:

mine came with one, and you can buy extras

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null_:

hm

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null_:

mine came without one, crap

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Milosch:

see two 3cm white connectors on top of the card?

[11:43:55]

Milosch:

give or take

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null_:

yes

[11:44:19]

null_:

always wondered what they are for ;-)

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Milosch:

i misspoke, i guess you can only plug in two, so you get 3 video inputs total...

[11:44:34]

Milosch:

confused now

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null_:

Milosch: you mean this, right? http://shop.goldenoffers.net/shop/artikelbild . . . 3z8z%2fsWvuN

[11:48:30]

Milosch:

http://registration.hauppauge.com/webstore/ha . . . uct=av_cable

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Milosch:

something like that, yeah

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null_:

hm ok

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null_:

now i just need to find a shop that sells them separately here in Switzerland

[11:49:52]

Milosch:

http://registration.hauppauge.com/webstore/im . . . av_cable.jpg

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Milosch:

not clear on whether you can actually plug in two on the 500...

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null_:

Milosch: I just need one

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Milosch:

didn't try it, although i have two

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null_:

Milosch: because the pvr itself has all those ports too

[11:51:34]

Milosch:

for mythtv and linux, the existing one works with the first card

[11:51:55]

Milosch:

so if that thing is recording you can't switch inputs to the video in, afaik

[11:52:02]

Milosch:

unless you have this expansion

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null_:

recording on what?

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null_:

I just want it to record on both video ins

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Milosch:

right

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null_:

so I'd get one expansion card?

[11:52:41]

Milosch:

right

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null_:

ok

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null_:

but I won't be able to use the tuners together with the video-ins?

[11:54:30]

Milosch:

the card has to be switched to tuner or video, not both

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null_:

ok

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null_:

no problem then

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Milosch:

so, one card can be on tuner, or both, or both on svideo, etc

[11:55:03]

null_:

okey

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Milosch:

it's two cards as far as you're concerned

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null_:

yes, it's two cards, they're on a PCI bride and that screws up my bios and I needed a pci graphics card =)

[11:55:41]

Milosch:

would be nice if every input was always available, but that would be a much more expensive card i guess ;)

[11:55:54]

Milosch:

oh, you have an Asus?

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null_:

jip

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Milosch:

ah

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Milosch:

glad i didn't get one, but i didn't know about the problem when i got my card, so i got lucky there

[11:56:42]

Milosch:

i almost did

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null_:

In my server, so it doesn't matter. Now I had to switch the card to a frontend, because my provider doesn't provide support for digital-tv, if your tuner is on a cable more than 5 meters long... so no problem now...

[11:57:40]

Milosch:

that's bs, they suck ;)

[11:57:49]

Milosch:

how long is the cable coming to your house?

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null_:

I don't know

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Milosch:

surely they didn't mount some powered box on your house, so it must be on a pole somewhere, or underground

[11:58:37]

null_:

well, there's a powered box for that here.

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Milosch:

outside?

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null_:

inside

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null_:

I think they're shipping the data over a fibre cable or something like that straight into our house and then distribute it with high frequency cables into the flats....

[11:59:49]

Milosch:

oh ok

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null_:

just don't know if it's fibre or if it's something else

[12:00:16]

null_:

probably not fibre, maybe it's just a highly shielded hf cable

[12:00:23]

Milosch:

we're still actual cable here, at least at the neighborhood dist level

[12:01:14]

null_:

now they just have to release they're digital tv, can't wait for it

[12:01:15]

Milosch:

i guess they are saying that their amps aren't strong enough to drive the signal more than 5 meters over the coax...

[12:01:28]

Milosch:

that's funky

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null_:

no, I think they just don't want to mess around with people that use an unshielded cable over 15 meters...

[12:02:07]

null_:

somehow understandable

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Milosch:

hmm, why would you use an unshielded cable at all?

[12:02:17]

Milosch:

like twinlead? ;)

[12:02:27]

null_:

well, you and I wouldn't, but I know quite a few people that would :-p

[12:02:43]

Milosch:

same folks who use telephone wire on their network

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clever:

lol

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null_:

hehe

[12:03:07]

clever:

i knwo some1 who is using ethernet lines for the telephone

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Milosch:

we had a client whose building had been wired like that

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null_:

I know someone that has his wireless accesspoint right near the microwave :-)

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Milosch:

clever: that's fine, overkill for a normal phone

[12:03:34]

clever:

im using phone lines(4 wire) for speaker wires

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Milosch:

heh

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clever:

but i dont use that sterio much atm

[12:04:14]

clever:

the aux speaker lines go up into the ceiling and split in all directions

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null_:

I used a phone line to get a cable into the basement (out the window :-p), until I saw those fancy "flat"-ethernet cables..

[12:04:25]

clever:

right thru into the kitchen

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clever:

over to my bedroom

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Milosch:

null_: lol

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clever:

out the chimeny clean hole and into the deck

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Milosch:

appletalk cables?

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clever:

and i even had a wire strung over the driveway into the garage

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null_:

what is appletalk?

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Milosch:

old networking for macs, etc.

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null_:

ah

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null_:

don't use such a thing :)

[12:05:30]

Milosch:

maybe since arcnet, not sure

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null_:

waaah, crap asus. my frontend stays longer in the POST than it takes from booting the kernel to mythfrontend running

[12:07:59]

Milosch:

ok, each of the cards on my 500 show two video inputs

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null_:

so it works

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Milosch:

but, i guess there is no way to connect more than 3 (not 4)

[12:08:37]

Milosch:

assuming a second expander works anyway

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null_:

no need for that =)

[12:09:02]

Milosch:

vcr, dvd player, cable box...

[12:09:10]

Milosch:

betamax

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Milosch:

;)

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null_:

don't ever used video tapes at all :-p

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null_:

someone knows how to install the "plastik" qt style in gentoo?

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null_:

ah, think i found something :-p

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adam_d:

hey

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adam_d:

i just upgraded to 0.20

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adam_d:

and i'm having big problems with dvb suddenly

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adam_d:

should it just work or do i need to change some settings?

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adam_d:

can anyone help me out?

[12:48:22]

adam_d:

when i'm tuning it picks up the channel list ok but when i try and watch it can't tune in

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adam_d:

pretty sure the signal is ok too

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TrisMcC:

I am having trouble assigning a transcoding profile that I renamed. How do I do that? I renamed my High Quality profile to Widescreen, but when I am in the Watch Recordings screen, it does not show. I select High Quality, and it instead does Auto-detect.

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galorin:

got a problem, mythbackend is reporting that the table oldrecstatus is crashed, but there's no table called that to run myisamchk against

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galorin:

so, how do I remake this table?

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galorin:

(

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justinh:

ERROR 1146 (42S02): Table 'mythconverg.oldrecstatus' doesn't exist

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gardengnome:

re

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justinh:

simply doesn't exist here

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justinh:

wb gardengnome :)

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gardengnome:

:)

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darkfrog:

I am having serious problems getting my Firewire to work properly with MythTV, is someone willing to help me out? I've been working on this off and on for weeks now.

[13:53:11]

galorin:

justinh, looks like same problem I've got, any idea about a fix?

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darkfrog:

I have a DCT6200 and some channels will work but others don't. I've tried using the 6200ch channel changer and looked at the information for priming

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justinh:

galorin: my myth box works great here. no complaints about said table being missing

[13:54:13]

justinh:

this is with 0.20-fixes btw

[13:54:29]

justinh:

darkfrog: some channels are likely encrippled, so you'll not be able to use them

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gardengnome:

hashbang: i fixed my interlacing oddities. i had mythtv zoom the picture by 3%, that messed up the fields )

[13:54:50]

galorin:

I did an Edgy install, and plugged in my 0.19 database so I wouldn't lose my recordings and other stuff.

[13:55:09]

galorin:

this is after a motherboard fatality.

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darkfrog:

justinh, it would seem a large number of my channels, particularly the HD ones fail...

[13:56:07]

galorin:

justinh, where can I find the sql to re-build this missing table, or do I need to lose all my previous recording info and start with a fresh database?

[13:56:31]

galorin:

or is there another solution to this?

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darkfrog:

justinh, so Firewire just won't work with some of my channels? Am I better off with a tuner card then?

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darkfrog:

I pulled my PVR-250 in favor of switching to Firewire because I thought it would be better all around and support HD but if it's not going to support all my channels I'll just use firewire for channel changing and use my PVR-250 I guess....

[14:00:39]

GreyFoxx:

darkfrog: It's 100% at your cable ISP's discretion what if anything works off firewire

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GreyFoxx:

they decide if it will pass traffic at all, or if it will pass the traffic in an unencrypted form

[14:01:05]

darkfrog:

that explains a lot....I have Cox Communication and they live up to their name...

[14:01:28]

darkfrog:

thanks

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GreyFoxx:

I'm sure there are laws which say they have to pass local broadcast HD channels and such in the clear

[14:01:41]

GreyFoxx:

but many ignore that until enough people complain'

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Milosch:

darkfrog: lol

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Milosch:

caught me off guard

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darkfrog:

well, I'm putting the PVR-250 back in my box now and I guess I'll use that until my complaining goes noticed. :o

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_Jaak_:

i have an idea! It's to speed up zapping for ppl with 2 or 3 tv cards

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null_:

Does anyone know why an (rw,async) exported NFS volume mounted with -o rw,async on the client would be a "read-only" filesystem?

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darkfrog:

How do I specify a default input to use? I want it to use my PVR-250 instead of my Firewire...

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gantrixx:

I'm considering buying a prebuilt mythv box. I'm interested to know about the scheduling service. It is free correct? and how far in advance can you schedule something?

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gardengnome:

gantrixx: if you want a prebuilt mythtv box, please contact whoever is selling them. if they take your money, they might as well answer your questions

[14:58:28]

gantrixx:

they don't offer a way of contacting them

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gantrixx:

so let's say I am going to build my own

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gantrixx:

where does the scheduling service come from?

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justinh:

galorin: the point I was trying to make is that the table isn't missing here – it's just not there in the first place :)

[15:00:30]

justinh:

gantrixx: if you're in the USA, zap2it. read the faq please

[15:01:23]

gardengnome:

"so let's say i'm going to build my own". heh ;)

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justinh:

because of the 'personal use only' restrictions the programme/scheduling data providers have, sellers of mythtv boxes aren't technically allowed to preconfigure everything

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gardengnome:

s/technically/legally/ ;)

[15:04:21]

justinh:

heheh. or should I say.. muhahahahaha

[15:08:08]

gardengnome:

that's awesome. someone makes a website about test cards and uploads the PAL ones as 640x480

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justinh:

gardengnome: what are you after? something with overscan markers or something?

[15:12:57]

gardengnome:

justinh: umm, that'd be nice. no, i just want to adjust my picture to get the best results possible

[15:13:53]

rsdvd:

hi folks

[15:13:57]

gardengnome:

hi rsdvd

[15:13:58]

justinh:

hey rsdvd

[15:14:12]

rsdvd:

Hi justinh : I am back on the S100 crap :-(

[15:14:35]

justinh:

gardengnome: if you want I can make some testcards with that program

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rsdvd:

how do I get a bootable grub install onto the DoM......without a working OS to startwith

[15:14:59]

gardengnome:

justinh: actually, i don't want to waste your time

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: i think i used damn small linux to install grub.

[15:15:30]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: what do you need grub for?

[15:15:55]

rsdvd:

I need to build something that will load the minimyth over the network

[15:16:03]

rsdvd:

the onbaord PXE does not work

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: it might be possible to install pxelinux onto the DoM, but i'm not sure about that.

[15:17:08]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: grub itself supports PXE and some network cards, maybe that'll work for you.

[15:17:45]

rsdvd:

that was what i wanted to do – but I cannot work out how to get grub installed on the DoM so I can boot from that

[15:18:16]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: you can also install linux directly into the first blocks of the DoM, but i dunno if that's such a great idea. would be hard to pass it the boot options

[15:18:34]

gardengnome:

wine has just reset my screen resolution to 640x480 and now i can't go back.

[15:18:42]

rsdvd:

I am afraid that would be beyond me

[15:19:28]

gardengnome:

we all have to learn. sometimes it's particularly painful, though ;)

[15:19:34]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: i got distracted by other stuff

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gardengnome:

and i broke my gar-minimyth...

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : i am learning a lot – but my head is starting to hurt cause I am learning too much too quickly

[15:20:17]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: :)

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rsdvd:

:-(

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justinh:

gardengnome: this test card generator thing is ace! I can see me using this for work related stuff too

[15:21:29]

gardengnome:

justinh: well, looks like you've already generated some cards. ;)

[15:22:00]

gardengnome:

would you mind mailing them to laga at laga dot ath dot cx?

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GreyFoxx:

card generator ?

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gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: also known as printer

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GreyFoxx:

oh, heh

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gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: j/k

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gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: it's some windows software that'll generate TV test patterns for you.

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gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: http://www.oodletuz.fsnet.co.uk/soft/tcmaker.htm this one is it, AFAIR

[15:25:30]

gardengnome:

w00t.

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gardengnome:

looks like this does work with wine!

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justinh:

wooyeah! they have test card 'F' !

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GreyFoxx:

ahhhh ok

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GreyFoxx:

Ihave a minimal DVD image of some test patterns

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GreyFoxx:

you can burn to a DVD and test on a dvd player, or on the inputs of acapture card

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gardengnome:

justinh: i'm in love

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gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: cool

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gardengnome:

i don't have a dvd player, unfortunately :(

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/DVD-TestImage.tgz

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gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: NTSC only?

[15:28:08]

GreyFoxx:

It likely is

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GreyFoxx:

Made by someone on the -users list a couple years ago

[15:28:50]

GreyFoxx:

he made his over VGA -> TVout convertor and used it for testing as well as for testing captures from different cards

[15:29:03]

justinh:

the ones sold as 'digital video essentials' are handy but anybody could make them

[15:30:31]

gardengnome:

heh. the test card maker is behaving a bit weird in wine ;)

[15:30:41]

justinh:

test card F is just about all you need anyway – it has everything, overscan marks, frequency gratings, pulse bars, colour bars & human flesh tones

[15:30:57]

justinh:

oh and a perfect circle ;)

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justinh:

all it needs is pluge & it'd be perfect

[15:31:43]

justinh:

setting your TV up with pluge & a line pulse is pretty much essential

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gardengnome:

what's a pluge? dict.leo.org doesn't knwo it ;)

[15:33:46]

gardengnome:

ah, right

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justinh:

use that to set your TV's black level

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justinh:

then use a line-pulse pattern to set the contrast & sharpness control so that the lines look as straight as possible

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gardengnome:

test card F won't generate properly here. the picture of the girl is shifted down and rendered in three different colors ;)

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justinh:

gardengnome: want a png or mpeg of it?

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justinh:

:D

[15:36:05]

gardengnome:

justinh: .png would be fine, i suppose. ;)

[15:36:31]

justinh:

www.juski.co.uk/tcf.png

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gardengnome:

yay.

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gardengnome:

danke :)

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opello:

if i bumped 'x' during a recording and it transcoded for a few seconds, did it stick something anywhere?

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justinh:

hrm.. lugradio live has announced its call for papers & exhibitors

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RvnPhnx:

any good simple way to flush the program guide data? (I primed it in a term with the timezone set incorrectly)

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justinh:

mysql-fu will do the job

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justinh:

something along the lines of ... delete * from program;

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RvnPhnx:

I'm assuming that you don't mean telling mysql to fu itself.....

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RvnPhnx:

k

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justinh:

like kung-fu but with mysql :-P

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defaultro:

anyone here has Nintendo WII?

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Dr_willis:

cant find one.

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Dr_willis:

:)

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justinh:

no mythtv doesn't run on the wii yet

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defaultro:

:D

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** RvnPhnx makes note of the "yet" **

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justinh:

hell hasn't frozen over yet

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defaultro:

sorry, i was not detailed. Do you guys know where I can download games and burn them so I can play on wii?

[16:41:14]

defaultro:

justin, are you using trunk?

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Dr_willis:

defaultro, No. :)

[16:41:17]

justinh:

defaultro: home-brewed games?

[16:41:30]

defaultro:

nope, not homebrew

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Dr_willis:

im not even sure how the hacking-scene is on the wii yet. Id heard that the downloadable-from-nintindo games have been 'hacked' but no way to prove it.

[16:41:56]

justinh:

defaultro: are you SO stupid as to ask in a logged channel where to download pirated games for a console?!

[16:41:57]

pigeon:

defaultro: i have one.

[16:42:15]

Dr_willis:

Id much rather be able to run Homebrew games.

[16:42:18]

justinh:

any dicussion of warez in this channel will result in .. er.. results. so DON'T

[16:42:21]

defaultro:

i thought it was free

[16:42:28]

defaultro:

they mention it as virtual games

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Dr_willis:

free? whats free?

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Dr_willis:

$15 for a SNES, $5 for a NES i recall seeing.

[16:43:15]

Dr_willis:

or similer.

[16:43:18]

defaultro:

you're right "games for a small fee"

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justinh:

well, try looking for such info in a non-mythtv specific environment :-P

[16:43:40]

defaultro:

:P

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Dr_willis:

justinh, just port Mythtv to the SNES ! then it will work on the wii!

[16:43:52]

Dr_willis:

0_o

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gardengnome:

justinh: is there a special reason why you made the test card F 768x576?

[16:44:18]

justinh:

nah I'll continue to just not care about these new-fangled consoles

[16:44:29]

defaultro:

what about xbox, why version acts as a better mythfrontend, the old xbox or 360?

[16:44:34]

justinh:

gardengnome: yeah – the prog wouldnt let me make it at 720x576

[16:44:52]

defaultro:

what are you trying to do justin?

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Dr_willis:

is there a Mythtv front end for the 360? i dont recall hearing about one for it.

[16:44:54]

gardengnome:

justinh: did you uncheck/check the "anamorphic" box?

[16:44:54]

justinh:

defaultro: xbox mythtv is RUBBISH on account of it only having a puny 32MB usable ram

[16:45:15]

justinh:

gardengnome: technically 768x576 is PAL D1 ;)

[16:45:29]

defaultro:

hmmm, that contradicts then with what my officemate told me, he said that he can get xbox to play HD

[16:45:34]

gardengnome:

justinh: yeah, but i capture at 720x576 and my modeline is a 720x576 one ;)

[16:45:43]

gardengnome:

defaultro: xbox != xbox 360

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justinh:

as for xbox360... pahahahahaha forget it

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defaultro:

exactly gardengnome, he is able to play HD on xbox and not 360

[16:46:11]

justinh:

though work is ongoing with upnp stuff to allow the xbox360 to use mythbackend's upnp stuff

[16:46:24]

defaultro:

i don't know if he's lying though

[16:46:33]

justinh:

defaultro: what I mean is, the myth frontend is slow as hell in 32MB ram

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defaultro:

k

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justinh:

video playback might be fast enough to bear but using the menus is not

[16:47:16]

justinh:

it's s l o w

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justinh:

takes a good 5 minutes to even boot ffs

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justinh:

XBMCmythtv is a way better bet

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defaultro:

k

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justinh:

IIRC the original xbox can just about play 720p mpeg2 but probably wouldn't under linux due to the low amount of ram

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defaultro:

gotcha

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justinh:

at some point I'd love to see an 'embedded' mythtv frontend be made available – one that acts & looks like an appliance. press ON & maybe a couple of secs later (as with XBMC) it's up

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defaultro:

yep, that would be could

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defaultro:

cool

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justinh:

course you'd have to limit the range of hardware it'd run on but the benefits outweigh the disadvantages

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GreyFoxx:

mvpmc is sch a beast

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GreyFoxx:

runs on the mediamvp

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defaultro:

is it a software?

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GreyFoxx:

and they are now rearchitecting to run on other hardware

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justinh:

wooo

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GreyFoxx:

software loaded at boottime

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gardengnome:

justinh: minimyth? ;)

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GreyFoxx:

currently runs on a ppc processor with 16meg of ram

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justinh:

minimyth still isn't fast enough to boot up

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justinh:

it's fast, but not instant ;)

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GreyFoxx:

It's also a client for several other systems like mclient, slimsever, replaytv and now a upnp client as well as myth

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defaultro:

if someone can also utilize the 1"x1" chip that 6200 uses, that would be really cool

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RvnPhnx:

justinh thnx for the mysql-fu.......

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defaultro:

so Greyfoxx, this mvpmc, where is it installed?

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GreyFoxx:

defaultro: the mediamvp tftp loads it at bootup

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defaultro:

just foud a nice link

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justinh:

the mediamvp needs a tftp server if I remember right – i.e. it'd netboot from an always-on machine

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: they are now looking to rearchitect so that something that can be used on many more embedded players

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defaultro:

wow, I can build a machine for my wife for a non-HD set

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GreyFoxx:

my mvp has been on a shelf since last June, but it worked well enough before that

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defaultro:

I may need a low profile vga card though. Any suggestion?

[16:55:16]

defaultro:

do you have screenshots on how it frontend looks like?

[16:55:33]

defaultro:

or does it use X server communication?

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GreyFoxx:

it has it's own gui/widget set

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GreyFoxx:

no X

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defaultro:

ah

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** justinh whacks ubuntu over the head severely **

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defaultro:

do you know of a good vga card that's enough for mpg2? low profile too

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justinh:

stop making a ballsup of people's mythtv installs damnit!

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GreyFoxx:

not specifically

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justinh:

YMMV with xvmc

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Dr_willis:

low profile? thets like half-height?

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defaultro:

yes

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defaultro:

maybe 2 inches

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Dr_willis:

i cant say that ive seen ANY video cards that way

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defaultro:

i've seen some but don't konw if they're good

[16:57:35]

Dr_willis:

well all you really need for a Mythtv box – is a rather mid-low range nvidia card.

[16:57:38]

defaultro:

or other solution would be to install a daughter card

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Dr_willis:

unless you are doing somthing fancy

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

GreyFoxx, thanks for mentioning this app. I have a new project :)

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defaultro:

i don't have to buy a hard ddisk ;)

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GreyFoxx:

defaultro: It doesn;t run on apc

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GreyFoxx:

It's for the mediamvp stb

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defaultro:

APC?

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defaultro:

oh

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defaultro:

lol

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defaultro:

how much is mediamvp though?

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GreyFoxx:

dunno... $50 or so I think

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defaultro:

that means, I really don't need to buy a video card since it will be mediamvp

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GreyFoxx:

I've had mine for a long, long time

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defaultro:

cool

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defaultro:

do you have some screenshots of the frontend?

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defaultro:

disregard

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defaultro:

http://www.mvpmc.org/index.php?pg=screenshots

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defaultro:

that's so cool

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defaultro:

do I need to enable something on the backend?

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defaultro:

or does it use the regular mythtv ports

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GreyFoxx:

It will use the mythprotocol

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defaultro:

cool

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GreyFoxx:

it can also play over nfs

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defaultro:

I will have to add the ip then to mysql permissions

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GreyFoxx:

nope

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GreyFoxx:

it doesn't need access to the mysql database

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defaultro:

oh

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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defaultro:

that means, I can still play my hd recordings since they're just file

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Dr_willis:

if i ever see one of those in the store.. i may just buy it. :)

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GreyFoxx:

defaultro: no

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defaultro:

why not?

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defaultro:

oh they're mp4

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GreyFoxx:

it's sdtv only

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GreyFoxx:

and mpeg2 only

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Dr_willis:

Composite or S-Video input on North America models. Scart input on European models.

[17:05:30]

defaultro:

but we are just playing it and it follows our video mode in mediamvp

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GreyFoxx:

If you want to play anything other than mpeg2 you have to use vlc to transcode on the fly

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defaultro:

we are just sending the video out

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Dr_willis:

the things are about $90 US. i think.

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GreyFoxx:

defaultro: uhhh no

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GreyFoxx:

the backend never has anything to do with playback

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defaultro:

not the backend

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defaultro:

the mediamvp

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defaultro:

here

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GreyFoxx:

No

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defaultro:

we select an HD recording in mediamvp and play it

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GreyFoxx:

Video playback is done on the box using the onboard mpeg2 decoder

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defaultro:

exactly

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sphenxes:

would a celeron 2.0 GHz, 500 MHz RAM, SuSE 10.2 + mythTv works fine or should i upgrade my pc

[17:06:48]

defaultro:

is HD mpeg2 or no?

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GreyFoxx:

unless in this context you are referring to HD as harddrive, not hdtv

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justinh:

500MHz ram? fast memory? ;)

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defaultro:

i'm referring to high def

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GreyFoxx:

default, the mvp will not play HDTV

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GreyFoxx:

unless you transcode it down to sdtv resolutions first

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sphenxes:

justinh, sorry what you mean by fast memory

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justinh:

HD can be any format – mpeg2, h.264, xvid ...

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gardengnome:

justinh: i'm playing with a pluge test pattern now. seems that i can't modify gamma/brightness with my universal remote for my TV :/

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defaultro:

GreyFoxx, I've set my X resolution before at 720x480 just for testing. It still played the HD recording

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justinh:

sphenxes: ram size isn't measured in MHz ;)

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sphenxes:

sorry MB

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GreyFoxx:

defaultro: you are missing ythe point

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defaultro:

but like what I said earlier, if my recordings aren

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sphenxes:

justinh, would that be enough

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defaultro:

like how

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GreyFoxx:

THE MVP USES THE ONBOARD SDTV MPEG2 DECODER TO PLAY VIDEO

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justinh:

sphenxes: the spec you quoted will be enough to play standard def. TV

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defaultro:

k

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GreyFoxx:

IUT WILL NOT HANDLE HDTV

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GreyFoxx:

what your pc can do is irrelevant

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sphenxes:

justinh, yes, i have stardard TV.

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defaultro:

but the HD recording is in MPEG2 format

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sphenxes:

justinh, thanks

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GreyFoxx:

That still irrelevant

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defaultro:

hmm

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GreyFoxx:

the mvp is sdtv only, the decoder is sdtv only, the output is sdtv only

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daviey:

that miserable git juski, has put his site back up! He's hasn't been in this channel for yonks, what a miserable git

[17:17:12]

defaultro:

lol

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IA-Outdoors:

question, I've got a USB DVD burner and I'd like to configure Myth to use it instead of the built-in DVD drive

[17:17:50]

IA-Outdoors:

problem is I'm not sure how to figure out what device to give it in the myth dvd settings

[17:17:54]

defaultro:

bump

[17:18:45]

justinh:

bump?

[17:18:47]

daviey:

put a cd in and type mount and seee what it gets mounted as

[17:18:47]

justinh:

kick!

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justinh:

yeah that bloke juski sure is an arrogant wanker. nobody should use his themes just to spite him. that'd fix him good

[17:20:39]

IA-Outdoors:

daviey: I see /var/autofs/usb...think that's it?

[17:21:04]

daviey:

hmm

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daviey:

could be

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IA-Outdoors:

k, I'll give it a try

[17:21:53]

defaultro:

justin, i always see the word " bump" in forums. I assumed that they meant, "i don't know". Am I correct?

[17:23:07]

defaultro:

ah, so I misunderstood the word bump then in their forum

[17:23:32]

defaultro:

i thought that bump is hitting your face on a wall, so I bump on a wall, so I don't know

[17:23:50]

justinh:

"hey I have this problem, so here's a scant amount of information about it. please help me now!"

[17:24:04]

justinh:

few minutes go by, new posts push it down the list

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justinh:

"bump"

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defaultro:

?

[17:24:35]

defaultro:

<IA-Outdoors> question, I've got a USB DVD burner and I'd like to configure Myth to use it instead of the built-in DVD drive

[17:25:04]

defaultro:

<IA-Outdoors> problem is I'm not sure how to figure out what device to give it in the myth dvd settings

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justinh:

generally people 'bump' their own threads that have been ignored for one reason or another

[17:25:13]

defaultro:

that's when I replied to the bump

[17:25:27]

defaultro:

oh own threads

[17:25:53]

defaultro:

I will show you some people who answers bump to people's other thread. Looks like, you are telling me that I said bump to my own post earlier?

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justinh:

usually the reason threads get ignored is that the original poster didn't provide anywhere near enough info, or it's a totally dumb-ass question – or maybe just nobody knows

[17:27:44]

defaultro:

hey justin, you are correct

[17:27:54]

defaultro:

I should be careful next time since I don't know slang

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defaultro:

:P

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defaultro:

I went to the forums that I always read and yes, same people say the word bump

[17:28:35]

defaultro:

I should have said "passed" then

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defaultro:

is passed correct though?

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justinh:

just using 'bump' in your own thread to hike it up the list is rude, selfish & totally ignorant

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justinh:

just say dunno

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justinh:

or nothing ;)

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defaultro:

yep, i will never use that again

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defaultro:

glad you corrected me

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defaultro:

i though that bump's synonym is i dunno

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defaultro:

thought

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snerfu:

are polkaudio speakers decent?

[17:30:12]

defaultro:

they're ok

[17:30:16]

snerfu:

for mid level

[17:30:20]

defaultro:

yes

[17:30:22]

justinh:

polk? they're pretty good

[17:30:30]

snerfu:

They sounded great to me.

[17:30:33]

defaultro:

I heard them but I like that naturals of paradigm

[17:30:37]

snerfu:

but I am new to audio.

[17:30:37]

justinh:

depends on the model though

[17:30:49]

defaultro:

I've also heard b&m and they rock

[17:31:01]

justinh:

maybe you need #audiophilia or something to better discuss it ;)

[17:31:03]

defaultro:

what about the homebrew NatalieP

[17:31:12]

defaultro:

this nataliep won chicago

[17:31:57]

defaultro:

snerfu, make sure that your receiver isn't bright and speakers are bright too, not a good match

[17:32:20]

snerfu:

does bright mean amplified?

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defaultro:

nope

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justinh:

bright means HF colouration

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defaultro:

kinda like high treble

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snerfu:

oh ok

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defaultro:

there are speakers like that

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justinh:

maybe not high, just slightly boosted

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defaultro:

yep

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defaultro:

what is your receiver?

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defaultro:

snerfu, read this, http://www.htguide.com/forum/forumdisplay.php4?f=39

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defaultro:

those are the accomplished homebrew speakers

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snerfu:

Thanks

[17:35:02]

defaultro:

it tells you what to buy, what hole to make, etc

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IA-Outdoors:

daviey: no dice there

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daviey:

:(

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IA-Outdoors:

thing is I can play the DVD fine from k3b

[17:35:54]

daviey:

have you tried using a console based burning app?

[17:35:59]

IA-Outdoors:

so I'm not sure what's going on

[17:36:22]

daviey:

oh, you have a full window manager, ignore the console suggestion

[17:36:51]

daviey:

does k3b tell you what device it is?

[17:36:54]

IA-Outdoors:

when myth calls xine with dvd://, how does it know which device to use

[17:36:56]

IA-Outdoors:

?

[17:36:59]

defaultro:

snerfu, keep this link too. Once I finish my basement, I will be using this route -> http://ibsubwoofers.proboards51.com/

[17:37:30]

defaultro:

this setup will step on my SVS subwoofer

[17:37:43]

IA-Outdoors:

I'm thinking I just need to change that line

[17:38:02]

tank-man:

IA-Outdoors, in xine config file, dvdrom setting

[17:38:15]

IA-Outdoors:

tank-man: hrm, thanks

[17:39:37]

IA-Outdoors:

tank-man: you know the file location? "man xine" tells me nothing

[17:39:43]

snerfu:

will do, thanks.

[17:40:15]

** defaultro is almost done setting up paypal to sell Air2PC card **

[17:40:34]

defaultro:

do you think someone will buy it for $30

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tank-man:

IA-Outdoors, i set it in xine with gui config box

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GreyFoxx:

hmmmm, now I need to find anew logo image for this forum style...

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Bipolar:

is it correct that there is no way to rescan the music collection from the command line or from a cron script?

[17:50:45]

justinh:

no easy way

[17:50:50]

Bipolar:

I have a podcatching client that downloads new podcasts every night, but I always have to rescan the collection to see them.

[17:51:26]

daviey:

with mythvideo you can view all files in the folder; can you with mythmusic?

[17:51:51]

Bipolar:

daviey: it doesn't seem so. it must be scanned

[17:51:56]

daviey:

:(

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Bipolar:

we need a myth-cmd app to do things like this....

[17:52:32]

justinh:

yeah somebody needs to write one ^^^^

[17:52:42]

Bipolar:

Is all of myth written in QT?

[17:52:58]

GreyFoxx:

It's C++ , and uses the QT libraries

[17:53:16]

GreyFoxx:

there is some C/ASM but that's mostly the libavcodec libraries

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Bipolar:

ok.... let me take a few min to delve into the code and see if I can wrap my brain around it easily

[17:53:30]

Bipolar:

I do know some QT

[17:53:49]

seth|stargate:

what would cause a remote tuner card to show up as unavailable to the frontend, and the remote frontend?

[17:54:07]

gardengnome:

daviey, Bipolar: you can tell mythmusic to just show the dfolder structure. i don't know if that'll avoid rescanning, though

[17:55:23]

daviey:

button '8' refreshes the music tree; dunno if that helps

[17:55:44]

Bipolar:

ahhh the mythtv project uses trac... nice

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justinh:

grrr wtf is up with NTL's dns servers now?

[17:58:29]

daviey:

they a s**t

[17:58:46]

GreyFoxx:

justinh: Do you have a collection of mythtv logos?

[17:59:01]

justinh:

GreyFoxx: sort of

[17:59:13]

justinh:

I'll upload some & you can have a looksy

[17:59:18]

daviey:

justinh, does google work fine for you – but some other sites are shafted?

[17:59:22]

GreyFoxx:

swee thanks

[17:59:55]

GreyFoxx:

justinh: tinerking around with the phpbb style I've installed and need a myth logo to put on it :)

[18:03:15]

justinh:

GreyFoxx: www.juski.co.uk/logos/

[18:04:09]

justinh:

bah still can't get on www.mythtvtalk.com

[18:05:53]

justinh:

and then suddenly, I can!

[18:05:58]

GreyFoxx:

cool, thanks

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nelius:

Here my Problem: Sound disappears a few minutes after watching TV. Seems to be a linux problem, Frontend is Ubuntu and i have no idea, how to debug ...

[18:09:32]

Milosch:

i wonder if you have esd or some such thing running

[18:09:58]

briand:

justinh: i could save you the trouble of surfing there, and summarize the posts for you... ;)

[18:11:32]

** justinh chuckles **

[18:11:51]

briand:

"why are all my recordings blue on my ATI video card?" "I just got a new TV card – it's a JoeSchmoe SuperDuperTV card. Will that work in myth?" "Hi. I'm new. I just installed myth last night, and everything's fantastic!!!!11! One small problem, tho — it won't record or play live tv"

[18:11:53]

briand:

;)

[18:12:04]

justinh:

been waiting for a reply to my retort about a cerain user's 'mythtv *SHOULD*' comment

[18:12:17]

briand:

i haven't read thru there today, yet

[18:12:50]

briand:

did i finally shut up the guy that wanted to get his dvb-s card working with his subscription?

[18:13:41]

nelius:

Milosch: hi :-)

[18:13:49]

Milosch:

heya

[18:13:56]

justinh:

I think that one was borderline. the driver for his card isn't soft as far as I could tell. anyway we haven't got time for posts like that ;)

[18:15:11]

nelius:

mhh, i have an nasd running... strange, can not remember that i installed it

[18:15:12]

briand:

exactly... and, besides, if his provider allows it, they should be able to tell him how to load his CAM. :)

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briand:

anyway.. i need to run out and get a few hairs trimmed, so I look less like one of the band members from the largest segment of my currently-installed music collection in mythmusic. (look! semi-on-topic)

[18:16:58]

** briand waves. **

[18:17:38]

justinh:

can't afford a haircut.. not until I get my payment for doing all this tech support stuff

[18:18:30]

briand:

hey, justinh --- if you hold your breath waiting for it, you could join the Blue Man Group.

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justinh:

?

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justinh:

oh fawk. looks like we're gonna be inundated with 'help myth not worky on ubunut' on the forums. I think I'll go on holiday for a while

[18:53:41]

hjohnson:

lol

[18:53:58]

hjohnson:

it's amusing, I litterally don't have a machine in the house capable of being a front-end right now..

[18:54:13]

tank-man:

what are you on now? a toaster?

[18:54:30]

hjohnson:

my company thinkpad, ssh'd into a headless machine

[18:54:59]

justinh:

mythtv on my toaster & washing machine is awesome! of course if they didn't use linux kernels it'd be impossible otherwise

[18:55:09]

hjohnson:

lol

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kormoc:

burn in on toasters sucks tho

[18:55:44]

hjohnson:

lol

[18:55:47]

justinh:

I tried installing mythtv on my oven but the ubuntu install cd melted

[18:55:54]

hjohnson:

but do they fly?

[18:56:06]

hjohnson:

I tried to install linux on my cat, but it kept going to sleep

[18:56:13]

gardengnome:

justinh: so, this pluge pattern. am i supposed to still see the black bar or does it have to blend in with th background?

[18:56:25]

kormoc:

hjohnson, you didn't plug the power cord in then

[18:56:26]

justinh:

I heard that a distro sucked, so I tried unblocking the drain with it...

[18:56:38]

hjohnson:

lol

[18:56:47]

justinh:

gardengnome: the link I posted way earlier explains how it's sposed to work

[18:56:53]

hjohnson:

justinh: just use windows, it sucks and blows at the same time.

[18:57:20]

gardengnome:

justinh: ah, right, thanks :)

[18:57:43]

justinh:

hell I even tried using linux as a desktop replacement but the monitor doesn't fit on the surface of the cd

[18:58:55]

gardengnome:

justinh: that's why they used to ship linux on floppy disks back in the day of big CRT monitors

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nburns:

maybe someone can help me out.. i'm trying to use a mythfrontend on a separate computer (macbook) as the backend (gentoo). it looks like i'm connecting to the database properly.. but when i try to watch live tv, or watch a recording, the screen goes black for a second, and then returns to the menu.

[19:00:56]

nburns:

any ideas?

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tank-man:

look at the log

[19:02:31]

nburns:

where's the log on osx?

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tank-man:

run the frontend from a terminal and look at the terminal

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tank-man:

or look at hte backend log

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nburns:

i don't see anything in the backend log.. let me try running the frontend from the terminal though.

[19:08:42]

nburns:

i apologize in advance for the flood, but here's the last few lines.

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nburns:

2007-02–10 14:08:13.603 Using protocol version 31

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nburns:

2007-02–10 14:08:13.608 TV: Attempting to change from None to WatchingLiveTV

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nburns:

2007-02–10 14:08:13.609 RemoteEncoder::openControlSocket(): Connection timed out.

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nburns:

2007-02–10 14:08:13.611 GetEntryAt(-1) failed.

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nburns:

2007-02–10 14:08:13.614 EntryToProgram(0@Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo

[19:08:52]

nburns:

2007-02–10 14:08:13.614 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started

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nburns:

2007-02–10 14:08:13.615 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started

[19:08:56]

nburns:

2007-02–10 14:08:13.617 TV: Deleting TV Chain in destructor

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gardengnome:

nburns: please use a pastebin next time.

[19:10:11]

nburns:

gardengnome: pastebin? never heard of it. i'll look it up though thanks.

[19:14:11]

nburns:

oh wait, i found the problem.

[19:14:51]

nburns:

thanks, and sorry again for the flood.

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xris:

IamEthos: I do

[20:03:09]

IamEthos:

xris, no big problems?

[20:03:14]

xris:

wouldn't suggest much less, but 512M is fine.

[20:03:31]

IamEthos:

xris, it's only a temporary fix anyway

[20:03:48]

IamEthos:

I'm getting more ram for my laptop, but until then I want to steal it from my old laptop

[20:03:56]

xris:

and I run gnome

[20:04:05]

IamEthos:

and my old laptop happens to be where I run myth

[20:04:19]

fooker:

xris: Any chances that 2 mythfrontends can be run on the same box? I can't see it being a problem, but then again I can't say I know a whole lot about the inner workings of myth

[20:04:58]

xris:

fooker: prefs are stored according to hostname, so it would be tricky to get different settings for each frontend.

[20:05:21]

fooker:

If both had the same settings, that wouldn't be a drawback – more of a bonus :)

[20:05:54]

fooker:

The only problem I can possibly see arising from it though is that one frontend would have direct rendering, the other would not

[20:06:24]

kormoc:

you can have multiple direct renderings

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fooker:

Not on two graphics cards

[20:06:40]

kormoc:

sure you can

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fooker:

Not with nvidia cards, at least

[20:07:04]

kormoc:

when I had a nvidia 5800 agp and a 5200 in the same box, all three screens had hardware rendering

[20:07:17]

fooker:

Are you serious? How did you get that setup?

[20:07:20]

kormoc:

2x monitors on the 5800, one on the 5200

[20:07:26]

fooker:

Nvidia told me it wasn't possible (under Windows or linux)

[20:07:43]

kormoc:

https://www.kormoc.com/stuff/xorg.conf/xorg.conf.trihead

[20:07:50]

kormoc:

it's not as fast, but they all support it

[20:08:10]

nasa:

Is there a script that converts .vob files to avi (ie: transcode a bunch of files at once)?

[20:10:00]

xris:

nasa: not exactly related to mythtv, but there are plenty of dvd ripping/encoding apps out there.

[20:10:19]

fooker:

nasa: Are you trying to get a dvd-compat file?

[20:10:20]

kormoc:

fooker, ooh, that's the setup with 2 monitors on the 5200 and one on the 5800, not sure if I have the reverse handy

[20:10:28]

IamEthos:

wow

[20:10:31]

IamEthos:

goodbye KDE

[20:10:32]

fooker:

kormoc: All good, I can learn from that one

[20:10:33]

IamEthos:

sheesh

[20:10:36]

IamEthos:

it's sort of sad

[20:10:41]

fooker:

IamEthos: Yep

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IamEthos:

hello xfce

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nasa:

fooker: nah, I am trying to import my dvd collection onto my mythtv setup. I am presently ripping them into "perfect" files and hope to run a script to encode them to something smaller a little later.

[20:11:30]

fooker:

Yep :_

[20:11:36]

IamEthos:

all 18.7 mb of xfce

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fooker:

:)

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kormoc:

4.4 is really nice

[20:11:57]

IamEthos:

kormoc, xfce 4.4?

[20:11:57]

fooker:

nasa: You do know that mythdvd will rip dvds for you, yes?

[20:12:01]

kormoc:

I'm really happy they fixed the multiple pannel issues

[20:12:03]

kormoc:

IamEthos, aye

[20:12:37]

fooker:

This is sad... I can't remember the last time I saw an XFCE4 desktop.... or a KDE desktop, or a gnome desktop...

[20:12:39]

quink:

hey got a question. isn't the audio passthrough device supposed to be used only when there is digital audio?

[20:13:07]

nasa:

Yes, but it takes 2 – 4 hours a dvd to rip/encode vs 15 minutes to just rip. I can get the dvds' onto the box and then put the cases away.

[20:13:21]

** nasa is somewhat of a neat freak. **

[20:13:27]

fooker:

Run mythdvd's ripper once, record the command it uses, and then run that in a for loop

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IamEthos:

wow. Dusty as hell

[20:14:42]

nasa:

Yeah, it would be that simple. Thanks fooker

[20:14:43]

fooker:

nasa: As a hint, mythtv doesn't have its own programs for anything. It uses other programs, such as transcode, ffmpeg, mencoder, ivtv. So pretty much anything you can do from within myth to a recording, a video, or a music file, you can do from the commandline once you know the external command myth runs

[20:16:07]

GreyFoxx:

actually

[20:16:13]

GreyFoxx:

myth does have it's own transcoder

[20:16:26]

GreyFoxx:

and it reads directly from the ivtv video device/talks to the driver

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fooker:

But its an external program

[20:16:35]

fooker:

I meant to say internal programs for anything :)

[20:16:58]

fooker:

And it was, of course, a sweeping and hardly accurate generalization :)

[20:17:34]

GreyFoxx:

It does. It's own internal video player, internal music player etc. But some things are seperate (it does not use mencoder or transcode though) :)

[20:18:00]

xris:

fooker: you're confusing "external program" with "libraries" and "drivers"

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fooker:

xris: No, I'm making sweeping and innacurate generalizations

[20:18:37]

xris:

that, too. :)

[20:19:00]

GreyFoxx:

fyi, if you want 2 seperate frontends on one box, just use 2 different mysql.txt and specific a different unique identifier for each instance of the frontend

[20:19:01]

fooker:

xris: But to be honest, mythtv does have very few internal programs to modify the files it creates. It uses things like transcode and ffmpeg for allot of the stuff

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GreyFoxx:

myth uses no such thing

[20:19:40]

GreyFoxx:

myth uses mythtranscode(which uses the libavocdec libraries)

[20:19:53]

GreyFoxx:

items like nuvexport use external apps

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xris:

which happen to be the same libraries developed by ffmpeg and used in mencoder.. but just the libraries. it's all built into mythtv itself.

[20:20:07]

fooker:

mythtranscode can be considered external

[20:20:18]

fooker:

As mythtv calls it, much as you could call it from the command line

[20:20:30]

quink:

i can't figure this out.

[20:20:32]

fooker:

Quit always making me look dumb :P

[20:20:42]

fooker:

Can't you just let me think I'm right once and a while? :P

[20:20:52]

kormoc:

fooker, all generalizations are wrong :P

[20:20:54]

GreyFoxx:

hell no :)

[20:21:00]

xris:

quink: what kind of tuner are you using?

[20:21:07]

quink:

ivtv.

[20:21:08]

Akiyuki:

When ever I play video through composite, the images are kinda jumpy

[20:21:11]

quink:

pvr250

[20:21:16]

_mike3:

question. do all tv's take the same type of command to turn off a tv?

[20:21:17]

quink:

i'm having like 4 small problems.

[20:21:32]

kormoc:

_mike3, no

[20:21:34]

Akiyuki:

If I play it through analog coaxil, the video looks fine, only have this problem with composite

[20:21:36]

xris:

pvr-x50 does its own audio handling.. shouldn't need passthrough

[20:21:44]

quink:

xris: i mean for ac3 stuff.

[20:21:52]

_mike3:

hey kormoc what's going on??

[20:22:15]

quink:

i wanted dvds/videos i rip to go through the receiver, other stuff to go through the tv.

[20:22:29]

** nasa wonders if "all generalizations are wrong" won't that be wrong? **

[20:22:37]

kormoc:

nasa, that's the poing

[20:22:39]

xris:

quink: I generally think of passthrough as the setting that passes the audio input on the soundcard directly to the output as well as to the OS.

[20:22:39]

kormoc:

*point

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_mike3:

Hrm. I got one of thesee MCE controllers (1039) and they are suppose to be able to go into some sort of a learning stage where it will learn your remote, but it definately does not work

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kormoc:

_mike3, mine learns just fine

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quink:

xris: oh.

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quink:

so i'm misunderstanding what it should do.

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_mike3:

Holding the DVD Menu and the ok button all lights just stop flashing

[20:23:24]

_mike3:

I've held it for over 15 secs and nothing

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quink:

i thought it meant 'if i detect surround sound data, i'll pipe this through the passthrough device(ie. spdif), if not i'll go throuhg hte default device'

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kormoc:

_mike3, you should read the programming guide again

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quink:

i guess to do what i want requires writing an ascounrc file?

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quink:

asoundrc i mean.

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_mike3:

Which command on the keyboard changes the channel right away

[20:49:15]

_mike3:

I don't want to scroll, I just want the channel to change

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clever:

arrows up and down

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_mike3:

what's the command to give in lirc?

[20:50:00]

_mike3:

arrowup

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_mike3:

?

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_mike3:

arrowdown?

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clever:

no idea for lirc

[20:51:11]

_mike3:

at least you got it on the weekend. :)

[20:51:30]

clever:

found a pair of ir led and trans in the same package at the source

[20:51:35]

clever:

radio shack got renamed

[20:52:41]

clever:

http://clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/mythtv/2007-02-10--13.55.34 shows the parts

[20:54:32]

clever:

only enough parts for the ir blaster right now

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quink:

if i enable AC3 passthrough, i get surround sound to my receiver and buzzing on the tv speakers. If i disable it i get stereo sound through the speakers and the tv.

[20:55:49]

hads:

Numbers change channel?

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_mike3:

fantastic. THere is no option to actually change the channel instead of browing channels then hitting enter or M to select the channel

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hads:

Numbers change channel?

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_mike3:

of course

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_mike3:

G.I. Jane is retarded.

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_mike3:

:)

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_mike3:

Yah I see nothing in keys.txt

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xris:

_mike3: what are you talking about?

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_mike3:

I am trying to figure out which commands I use to change the channel. Not to change it so I'm seeing it in the EPG or whatever, but so it just changes the channel.

[21:09:34]

hads:

Numbers change channel?

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_mike3:

Of course.

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tank-man:

press 'm' ?

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_mike3:

no

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tank-man:

press 'x' ?

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_mike3:

i'd need more then one command. I gotta change chan up and down

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tank-man:

i'm sure whatever you want to do is possible

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Spicerun:

Hello everyone, I finally reworked my mythtv box so it is much more reliable...

[21:26:03]

Spicerun:

However, I still have a lockup problem with the Mythtv frontend where it locks up the whole system.

[21:26:42]

Spicerun:

I'm running with the Nvidia 6600 card on a Gentoo, p4–3.0ghz, 2.0gb ram.

[21:27:26]

Spicerun:

Anyone have any suggestions? This time I have a mythfrontend log, but it doesn't tell much (logfile made with -v all option).

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Spicerun:

also I added a 2nd tuner card, and got it in myth-setup, but mythfrontend doesn't seem to know about it....what have I failed to configure?

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drnoone:

hi

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DaDane:

Hallo I have problems installing MythTV. Can you help please?

[21:32:34]

_mike3:

?

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drnoone:

sure

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DaDane:

It detects my card alright, – but it will not do a channel scan.

[21:33:11]

DaDane:

Right now I am logged in as mythtv.

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drnoone:

is tvtime working?

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DaDane:

(And I am not too familar with Linux)

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DaDane:

Don't know, – how do I check?

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drnoone:

is a tv viewing app....very easy to use. If tvtime doesn't works probably you have a problem with the card drivers

[21:35:13]

DaDane:

Oh, – where do I download that? And how do I install it?

[21:35:14]

kormoc:

drnoone, tvtime doesnt' work with most cards

[21:35:31]

DaDane:

My card btw. is a Hauppauge USB thing.

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kormoc:

drnoone, it only works with framegrabber cards, it won't work with ivtv cards or dvb cards or usb cards, etc

[21:35:35]

DaDane:

Not the stick

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DaDane:

It's DVB

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drnoone:

kormoc: ok, thanks

[21:36:38]

drnoone:

kormoc: I'm trying to figure out if DaDane has the card drivers installed

[21:37:50]

DaDane:

When I am in mythtv-setup and it ask for my card it seems to detect it alright

[21:38:16]

_mike3:

DaDane: Can you record from console?

[21:38:22]

drnoone:

and what's the message when you try to scan for channels

[21:38:24]

DaDane:

It says "DVB card number: 0" and then "Frontend ID: DiBcom 3000P/M-C DVB-T"

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DaDane:

It says (I am translating, it's speaking danish to me, – so the translation might not be exact): "Scan type: The card can not be opened"

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DaDane:

_mike3, – how do I check that?

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Spicerun:

Could someone tell me how to generate a backtrace on mythtv? Do I have to compile an option into the mythtv program?

[21:42:03]

_mike3:

ivtv-tune

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_mike3:

ivtv-tune -f 54

[21:42:19]

_mike3:

54 being an active channel

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_mike3:

It will say Signal Detected if it sees a channel.

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DaDane:

But how do I know the active channels?

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_mike3:

do this as root

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_mike3:

-f

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_mike3:

so ivtv-tune -f chan#

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_mike3:

then do a cat /dev/video0 or whatever your card is

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_mike3:

cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg

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_mike3:

wait a few secs and check the contents of the file. See if it has any size.

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DaDane:

I don't have a /dev/video0 (or any other /dev/video*)

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drnoone:

i'm having problems with the myth ir config. Lirc is working ok, but mythtv doesn't react to the keypresses

[21:44:51]

tank-man:

what video capture card do you have?

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drnoone:

Compro Videomate gold+ (saa7134 based)

[21:45:26]

DaDane:

Hauppauge Nova-T-USB2

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tank-man:

drnoone, you make a ~/.lircrc file?

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tank-man:

and sym link it to ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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DaDane:

_mike3, do you have any other ideas?

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drnoone:

tank-man: yes

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drnoone:

tank-man: and the button names are the same that the ones from de lircd.conf file

[21:52:17]

tank-man:

does output from mythfrontend show something about lirc?

[21:53:05]

_mike3:

DaDane: Do you knonw which one it is under /dev

[21:53:05]

_mike3:

?

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DaDane:

I can paste a ls /dev, – will that be helpful?

[21:54:47]

_mike3:

Possibly.. Go ahead, but you should of video or something under /dev. Do you have the proper modules loaded?

[21:54:53]

DaDane:

It has something called vcs, vcs1, vcs2,.. vcs8, vcsa, vcsa1, vcsa2,..., vcsa8. Is that what we are loking for?

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drnoone:

tank-man: no. It used to throw a warning before i create the lircrc file in .mythv but it doesn't do it anymore (it seems the config file its in place and the syntax is correct)

[21:55:17]

_mike3:

o

[21:55:18]

_mike3:

no

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DaDane:

_mike3, I'm not sure! I am not that familar with Linux

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_mike3:

ok give me a sec

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DaDane:

Part one of ls /dev:

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DaDane:

acpi ptyca ptyre ptyx2 tty19 ttyc0 ttyr4 ttyw4

[21:56:10]

DaDane:

adsp ptycb ptyrf ptyx3 tty2 ttyc1 ttyr5 ttyw5

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DaDane:

agpgart ptycc ptys0 ptyx4 tty20 ttyc2 ttyr6 ttyw6

[21:56:10]

DaDane:

audio ptycd ptys1 ptyx5 tty21 ttyc3 ttyr7 ttyw7

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_mike3:

Dagmar: which distro

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_mike3:

sorry that was for dadane

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_mike3:

which distro are you using?

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_mike3:

that's probably it

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_mike3:

:)

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DaDane:

It has demun0, dvr0, frontend0 and net0

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DaDane:

Ubuntu edgy

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_mike3:

let that sit for about 5 secs

[22:00:31]

_mike3:

do this as root

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xris:

_mike3: did you ever get your channel change working? number keys, or up/down arrow work fine.

[22:01:27]

_mike3:

I can change channels fine. I just wanted a way of changing the channels instead of pulling up what I could select as channels.

[22:01:30]

DaDane:

Has zero-size

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_mike3:

Think of it as a basic remote for standard television. When you hit channel up it changes.

[22:01:47]

_mike3:

That's it

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xris:

_mike3: and how is that different from number keys or up/down arrows? neither of those bring up the epg

[22:02:11]

_mike3:

DaDane: Once you've done that do a ls -lah and look at the file. Check to see for the size of file

[22:02:21]

_mike3:

xris: Are you using a remote?

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xris:

_mike3: remote just maps to the keys you tell it to

[22:02:56]

_mike3:

xris: Obviously. I know that. I am trying to figure out which keys I give it in the lircrc

[22:03:10]

xris:

that would be.. number keys.. and up/down arrow keys

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_mike3:

so for config =

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_mike3:

what would I put?

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DaDane:

It has zero-size (-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 0 2007-02–10 23:03 test.mpg)

[22:03:41]

_mike3:

ok hrm..

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xris:

_mike3: Up Down 1 2 3 4 etc

[22:03:52]

_mike3:

try all of those demun0, and so on

[22:04:08]

_mike3:

xris: yah that's what I have an no it just brings up the menu on my side to choose the channel with M or whatever

[22:04:17]

xris:

_mike3: plenty of example lircrc files in the mythtv source... (in the contrib dir in svn)

[22:04:27]

DaDane:

But how should it know which frequency/channel/mux/... to use? I hasn't done a scan yet

[22:04:27]

_mike3:

yes and I've check them

[22:04:28]

xris:

_mike3: you sure you don't have a conflicting key name or something?

[22:04:28]

_mike3:

:)

[22:04:43]

_mike3:

DaDane: You can use a util to do that after

[22:04:52]

_mike3:

DaDane: Even if it's on a wrong channel it will capture static

[22:05:05]

DaDane:

Ah o.k. that the idea

[22:05:31]

_mike3:

begin – prog = mythtv , button = ChanUp, config = up, end

[22:05:33]

_mike3:

that's what I have

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tank-man:

_mike3, so it works with the keyboard but not remote?

[22:05:52]

xris:

_mike3: just one key in the whole file?

[22:06:05]

_mike3:

xris: of course not. I was just showing you the one.

[22:06:18]

xris:

what I'm saying is that maybe you hae something ELSE mapped to that button, too.

[22:06:47]

_mike3:

xris: If I try from my keyboard I get the same result

[22:07:03]

_mike3:

the epg or whatever pulls up showing the channel I'm changing but doesn't change it automatically

[22:07:05]

xris:

have you tried resetting the key bindings in mythtv?

[22:07:40]

_mike3:

xris: Where abouts do i do that

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xris:

DELETE FROM keybindings; DELETE FROM jumppoints;

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xris:

the frontend will recreate things if they're missing.

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_mike3:

you actually want me to screw with the database

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gandalfcome_:

does anyone use zenslack here

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xris:

_mike3: that's the way to do it, yes.

[22:09:52]

xris:

unless you want to dig through everything by hand to find out if there are conflicts/etc.

[22:10:18]

_mike3:

xris: Ok just removed it from the database

[22:10:20]

_mike3:

restarting myth

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RvnPhnx:

xris one database anihilation later and things are now recording ok, but I can't tell if sound is getting recorded as the playback sound fails........

[22:10:56]

_mike3:

same shit.

[22:11:27]

_mike3:

It just brings up the menu showing me what channels I'm changing to, but they won't change until I confirm.

[22:11:33]

_mike3:

is there a myth setting?

[22:11:55]

_mike3:

this is from the keyboard now

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tank-man:

have you gone thru all the settings at least once to see what there is?

[22:12:29]

xris:

dunno. I've never seenn that before.

[22:12:55]

tank-man:

i think he is in 'browse mode'

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xris:

ahh

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_mike3:

I'm just selecting Watch TV

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_mike3:

TV/Watch TV

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tank-man:

mike there is a setting

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tank-man:

i forget exactly where

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_mike3:

ok.. I will look in the seutp

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_mike3:

see if I see anything

[22:16:14]

_mike3:

do you remember what it's called?

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tank-man:

something about browse mode

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_mike3:

found it

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_mike3:

Ok that fixed the issue. Is there other keys I can setup so it does browse mode?

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tank-man:

o

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tank-man:

look in keys.txt

[22:20:29]

_mike3:

I'd like to set browse on the arrow keys on my remote and the chan up and down to what it is now

[22:20:31]

tank-man:

shows it all

[22:20:38]

_mike3:

ok i'll check that out again

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tank-man:

and i think you can edit the bindings with mythweb

[22:22:23]

_mike3:

I just setup a button for o that will turn browse on or off.

[22:22:37]

_mike3:

Just wish there was a way I can have both on using diff keys. ;)

[22:24:11]

_mike3:

dadane..

[22:24:14]

_mike3:

he disappeared

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_mike3:

If he isn't familiar with linux he might have a hell of time getting his card to work. I read a bit on his card and some recompiling of the kernel is needed to support his USB card

[22:24:56]

_mike3:

but /dev is picking it up so maybe it is already done

[22:24:58]

_mike3:

i'unno

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RvnPhnx:

I seem to have missed something somewhere........ do I need to load the old OSS compat drivers for ALSA or do I need the whole out-of-date OSS core loaded to make sound work?

[22:26:20]

immolo:

heya, anyone running a myth backend on a hardened linux box and tried using nuvexport?

[22:26:58]

_mike3:

alsa should work fine .

[22:27:08]

_mike3:

install the alsa utilities

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_mike3:

I compiled the support instead of loading a module in my kernel

[22:27:36]

_mike3:

but you can install alsa as a module and the alsa utilities

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RvnPhnx:

I have alsa as my core audio on all my boxes at the moment

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_mike3:

ok what are you asking

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RvnPhnx:

but I'm still getting: "No useable audio output driver found......Don't disable OSS support unless you're not running on Linux...........NVP: Disabling Audio, reason is: Unable to create AudioOutput.

[22:29:45]

_mike3:

can you play sound outside of myth?

[22:29:51]

RvnPhnx:

yes

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_mike3:

under myth-setup are you pointing it to the right /dev ?

[22:30:34]

_mike3:

I need a new tv. :)

[22:30:39]

_mike3:

Damn 19 inch in my living room

[22:30:41]

RvnPhnx:

so far as I can tell (I've tried both on my main backend/frontend machine).......

[22:30:54]

quink:

nice. so for some reason when i stream with VLC it plays in slow mo

[22:31:08]

RvnPhnx:

that would urk me

[22:31:53]

quink:

its irking me good.

[22:33:36]

_mike3:

gotta stop eating these cookies. I feel that fat packing on.

[22:33:38]

_mike3:

geez.

[22:34:28]

_mike3:

ah, screw this. Nap time. :)

[22:34:39]

RvnPhnx:

is there some way to play the mythtv files from outside of myth so that I can check my audio capture settings separate from my playback ones?

[22:36:12]

xris:

RvnPhnx: if they're mpg, pretty much anything will play them.

[22:36:33]

xris:

mplayer and vlc can play the nuv files, though you occasionally get AV sync issues.. but it'd be fine to test

[22:36:43]

RvnPhnx:

xris thnx

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immolo:

How to you change nuvexport to use a different directory rather then /tmp to make its 'fifo_1234'?

[22:41:37]

xris:

immolo: what's wrong with /tmp?

[22:41:47]

immolo:

doesn't work in /tmp

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xris:

why?

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immolo:

most likey not large enough

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xris:

fifos take up like no space

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immolo:

but thats a pure guess

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xris:

they're buffered into RAM

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gandalfcome_:

does anyone use zenslack as dsitri and can help me with pazereons plugin?

[22:42:56]

xris:

immolo:/tmp is hard-coded, though. you'd have to edit the source.

[22:43:21]

immolo:

xris- strange thing is it works fine in any directory other then /tmp

[22:43:26]

xris:

but /tmp is the correct place to put things like that.

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xris:

anything weird about your /tmp dir?

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immolo:

well the I did block all stuff like nodev,noexec but I've also tried remounting without them set with no luck

[22:45:01]

immolo:

other then that its just on the same lvm as the rest of the server

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xris:

weird

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immolo:

i know

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xris:

do the files get created?

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immolo:

hmm the directory does

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immolo:

not tested the files

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xris:

I'd suggest using --debug (explanation in the wiki) and seeing what mythtranscode has to say about things

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immolo:

yes they do

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immolo:

xris- yeah thats what i've using

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xris:

no errors or anything?

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immolo:

not really I pastebin the output

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immolo:

http://pastebin.ca/349602

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immolo:

thats the output

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immolo:

and its been like that for 5 mins where as if I move the directory it compeletes the whole process in less time

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xris:

what does the ffmpeg/transcode side of things say, and how does your RAM usage look?

[22:52:29]

tcpsyn:

I think I'm just gonna crack and go buy a decent pci video card for my second monitor.

[22:52:34]

tcpsyn:

just because.. i can.

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immolo:

xris- it doesn't even hit the ffmpeg stage

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immolo:

and i'm using around 272mb of 512mb ram

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xris:

immolo: um, they're separate processes.. they run in parallel

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xris:

if you read the --debug howto, it'd explain how to run them

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immolo:

oh :P

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xris:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Nuvexport#Debug_Mode

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** xris is glad that people wrote up documentation for nuvexport. **

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xris:

saves me so much work. heh.

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immolo:

xris- Segmentation fault

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xris:

from which program

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immolo:

ffmpeg

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xris:

any errors before that?

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xris:

and what version of nuvexport are you using?

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immolo:

nuvexport version: 0.4 0.20061203.svn

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xris:

first off, upgrade nuvexport.

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immolo:

damn it, that was the lastest in portage

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xris:

really? slap the maintainer, then. I've released quite a few updates since then.

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justinh:

re

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immolo:

I file a bug after I get this working

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immolo:

I = I'll

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immolo:

ok I'm updated

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xris:

first, just try nuvexport on its own without debug

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immolo:

it's just sitting at 0%

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xris:

which method?

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immolo:

what method am I calling it or which encoder?

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xris:

both

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xris:

what encoder, and which format.

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immolo:

ffmpeg xvid

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h7-25:

hello! i have 2 capture cards (pvr250 and a DVB-T device), how can i set the default card/channel that is started when i select watch live-tv

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justinh:

h7–25: you can't. the last channel viewed will always come up when you re-enter livetv

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xris:

immolo: control-c, make sure no mythtranscode processes are still running after that (sometimes they don't die on their own), then re-test with --debug

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xris:

immolo: and follow the --debug instructions in the wiki carefully, so you don't miss anything

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immolo:

xris- ok trying now

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h7-25:

justinh: well thats fine with me :-) thanks

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justinh:

watched a 'money programme' special about Vista tonight. though I don't care about the OS as such it was interesting to see how they go about marketing it

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immolo:

xris – more seqfaults

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justinh:

h7–25: actually, if you don't mind doing a little mysql-fu you should easily be able to change the 'last watched' channel to anything you like

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xris:

immolo: anything interesting before the segfault?

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immolo:

xris- no, it just runs like a normal encode then boom

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xris:

which program dies?

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immolo:

ffmpeg

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immolo:

let me try mencoder

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xris:

pastebin the output

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naegling23:

alright, im going crazy, i cannot get my composite or s-video set up

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xris:

icluding the segfault

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immolo:

http://pastebin.ca/349648

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tank-man:

Stream #1.0 -> #0.0

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tank-man:

Stream #0.0 -> #0.1

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tank-man:

that looks weird

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xris:

immolo: it might be strace time now.

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immolo:

xris- I was waiting for that one

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immolo:

xris- umm where is the best place to add the strace command

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xris:

before ffmpeg

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xris:

since that's the one that's dying

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tank-man:

look at the stream mapping from that output, its trying to make a audio stream to a video stream

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immolo:

/tmp/fifodir_21412/audout: I/O error occured

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xris:

immolo: is mythtranscode running, etc?

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immolo:

yes

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immolo:

following the debug howto this time :P

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xris:

well, you COULD replace all /tmp/ in nuvexport with another directory.

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xris:

find -name '*pm' -exec sed -i -e 's,/tmp/,/some/other/path/,g' {} ;

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xris:

do that within the nuvexport source dir and reinstall

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immolo:

ok thanks I'll test it manually quick

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tank-man:

why doesnt /tmp work for you immolo ?

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xris:

tank-man: he pasted the error message a few lines back

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defaultro:

xris, quick question. I friend's friend of mine is asking me to build a website for him. Normally, how much should I charge?

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xris:

http://forevermore.net/rates.php

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defaultro:

ok

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xris:

pretty much taken straight from a friend who does consulting for a living.

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xris:

I work deals with people for long-term projects, etc.

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defaultro:

that's awesome buddy

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defaultro:

hopefully I get this deal too

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immolo:

xris- hmm that sed script didn't help

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xris:

what happened?

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defaultro:

xris, I was thinking of charging $30 for a flash website. Oh no, that is so small

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defaultro:

glad you shared your site

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xris:

defaultro: you want hourly fees, not flat fees.

[23:38:12]

xris:

$30/hour isn't so bad depending on your experience level.

[23:38:18]

defaultro:

since I do html, php, flash, db, how should I charge it?

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xris:

I've been doing web stuff for over 10 years, so I feel I can charge a little more.

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xris:

plus, I like to discourage people from trying to get me to do stuff.

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defaultro:

i think I have some skills too :) but not really advanced

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immolo:

xris- it still heads uses /tmp

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justinh:

yeah xris, pass the buck ;)

[23:39:05]

xris:

don't go less than $25/hour

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defaultro:

ok

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xris:

immolo: grep the source for /tmp

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immolo:

there is no reference to /tmp

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xris:

what about in the installed files?

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xris:

you maybe have copies in /usr/ and /usr/local ??

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immolo:

ok checking

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xris:

adk

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xris:

afk, even.

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defaultro:

so xris, your $50 rate doesn't care even if you will create the images?

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defaultro:

or is it for html/php only

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xris:

I don't really do image work

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defaultro:

since i do the graphics too, is it ok to charge like $70?

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justinh:

defaultro: depends how long the graphics take

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defaultro:

k

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justinh:

how much do you value your time?

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justinh:

we should charge a consultancy fee for this advice ;)

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defaultro:

:D

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defaultro:

I'll try $60 first when I talk to them tomorrow

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xris:

defaultro: they'll agree to whatever they feel you're worth.

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xris:

it'd be good to give them an estimate of what the total cost will be, though.

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justinh:

I thought about trying web design as a sideline, figuring I can do better than some of the £150 a site guys – but I just don't like it

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defaultro:

ok

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** xris goes to play in the backyard for awhile. **

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defaultro:

problem is that, this guy is giving not enough brochures of what I need to put on their website

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defaultro:

thanks xris

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justinh:

haha – the brief is too brief?

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defaultro:

i just got one brochure yesterday

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justinh:

I think this is where too many companies go wrong

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justinh:

they only put sales literature online

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defaultro:

yep

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justinh:

I'm gonna have to ask for help with this project I've got – I've hit the wall & can't get past it

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defaultro:

what project?

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defaultro:

me, I guess I'm not confident

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justinh:

a mythical project

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defaultro:

I should be agressive this time

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defaultro:

it's hard especially if I'm the only one working with mortgage, 2 cars :(

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justinh:

I think my confidence is the issue in this case actually. the site really matters to a lot of people & I don't wanna let anybody down

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

i think I have the skills do but just always shy to tell people

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justinh:

you need a certain degree of gregariousness to go out & grab business out of the jaws of competitors

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defaultro:

and I can make it better too by looking at other sites, hehehe

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