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Thursday, February 8th, 2007, 00:11 UTC

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GreyFoxx:

daviey: For a moment I am

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sunnyhours4130:

anyone know a good place to get help with lirc?

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sunnyhours4130:

last thing i have to get working on this system

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daviey:

sunnyhours4130, what distro?

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sunnyhours4130:

knoppmyth actually. using a homebrew serial receiver

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daviey:

should work out the box

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daviey:

did you answer the questions at install time?

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sunnyhours4130:

yeah

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sunnyhours4130:

and i've set up my remote also, using irrecord or whatever it was

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daviey:

and it didn't work?

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daviey:

irrecord worked?

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daviey:

so produced a conf file?

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sunnyhours4130:

yep, conf file was produced

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daviey:

okay you need a lircd.conf

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sunnyhours4130:

where would it be located? /etc/ ?

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daviey:

one that maps the codes to commands

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daviey:

hmm

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daviey:

hang on

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sunnyhours4130:

i also set up a test lircrc (buttons to commands map)

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daviey:

sorry thats what i meant

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sunnyhours4130:

ya

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sunnyhours4130:

i'm not sure that's the issue though.... i think irw should work at this point. i see lircrc as something you do after irw can work

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sunnyhours4130:

check out the diagram of the driver model: http://www.stlinux.com/docs/manual/distributi . . . n_guide8.php

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sunnyhours4130:

but don't believe me, i haven't gotten this working. i'm not sure =|

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daviey:

so the conf you created with irrecord goes in /etc/lircd.conf

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sunnyhours4130:

okay. for some reason I guess i put it there, and in addition i put it in /etc/lirc/lircd.conf

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sunnyhours4130:

you have any idea what goes in /etc/lirc?

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daviey:

hardware.conf aswell

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sunnyhours4130:

so i need lircd.conf in both places?

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daviey:

hmm

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daviey:

i have

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daviey:

when i used to use knoppmyth it was a symlink aswell

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kormoc:

it should only require one place, but which place depends on your distro

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sunnyhours4130:

yeah

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daviey:

in hardware.conf make sure Modules="lirc_serial"

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sunnyhours4130:

brings up a question about hardware.conf.... I do have that, but i have additional Modules

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daviey:

tbh, all this should be set with the script in knoppmyth

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sunnyhours4130:

I've got lirc_dev and lirc_serial. at one point i also had lirc_i2c

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daviey:

hombrew = lirc_serial

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sunnyhours4130:

okay, only need that one?

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kormoc:

lirc_dev and lirc_i2c are implied with lirc_serial

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kormoc:

I believe

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sunnyhours4130:

cool

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daviey:

what is your lirc device; mine is /dev/lirc0 is that the same on yours?

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sunnyhours4130:

which script were you referring to? /etc/init.d/lirc?

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daviey:

no, the install script

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sunnyhours4130:

ohhhh

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sunnyhours4130:

i believe that is what mine is. how would i check for sure?

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daviey:

geez

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sunnyhours4130:

heh heh

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sunnyhours4130:

i've done a lot of fiddling with this b/c it didn't originally work

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daviey:

you will need setserial aswell

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sunnyhours4130:

ahh yeah, did that at one point

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daviey:

hmm

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sunnyhours4130:

but since mode2 works, i don't think that's an issue

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sunnyhours4130:

(could be wrong tho)

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daviey:

try cat /dev/lirc (then press buttons)

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daviey:

then lirc1

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daviey:

if anything appears you know what device

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sunnyhours4130:

ok

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daviey:

shouldn't be an issue; but check the kernel modules are loaded with:

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daviey:

dmesg | grep lirc

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sunnyhours4130:

lsmod and dmesg both suggest that lirc_serial, and lirc_dev are loaded

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daviey:

sunnyhours4130, up to you; but i would rename it lirc_old for now and make a symlink pointing to /dev/lirc

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daviey:

(with the same ownership and permissions)

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sunnyhours4130:

ok. i think i'll leave it until later....

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sunnyhours4130:

good point

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daviey:

right

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daviey:

try this

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daviey:

setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none

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daviey:

(provifing ttyS0 is the serial port)

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daviey:

providing

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sunnyhours4130:

okay, looks like that took

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daviey:

in /etc/lirc/hardware.conf

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daviey:

DEVICE="/dev/lirc"

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sunnyhours4130:

in that file, i have the line DEVICE="/dev/ttyS0"

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sunnyhours4130:

think i should change it?

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daviey:

yes

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sunnyhours4130:

cool. also, should i take out lirc_dev? or just leave it for now?

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daviey:

should be alright

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daviey:

i haven't got it in mine; but i think it should still work

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sunnyhours4130:

cool

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daviey:

restart lirc: /etc/init.d/lirc restart

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sunnyhours4130:

okay, so i saved that. i'll restart now

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daviey:

now try irw

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sunnyhours4130:

okay.... restarted. still no output from irw. but at least it wasn't a connection refused

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daviey:

hmm

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AngryElf:

Hey folks

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daviey:

and cat /dev/lirc works?

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sunnyhours4130:

yeah.... that sounds weird, huh?

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sunnyhours4130:

well, hang on a minute here. what do you mean by works? i got some gibberish output when i pressed remote buttons. is that working?

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daviey:

sure does

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sunnyhours4130:

okay. wasn't sure if it was supposed to be sensible

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daviey:

hang on, try cat /dev/lirc now

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daviey:

it shouldn't work!!

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daviey:

because lircd should be tying it up

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AngryElf:

so I just read half of your conversation

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sunnyhours4130:

heh heh

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AngryElf:

and i'm pretty sure you both are about 10% sure of what you're talking about :)

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sunnyhours4130:

currently ps -aux does confirm that lircd is running with --device=/dev/lirc. but when i cat /dev/lirc i get the same result as before.

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sunnyhours4130:

i do get output from it

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sunnyhours4130:

so from that logic, lircd is not tying /dev/lirc up

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daviey:

okay kill lircd

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sunnyhours4130:

AngryElf: i'd love some input if you could =)

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daviey:

and run /usr/local/sbin/lircd and see what you get

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sunnyhours4130:

okay, killed it

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daviey:

does it throw an error

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sunnyhours4130:

it doesn't exist

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AngryElf:

i'm sure daviey and I telling you two different things would through you for a loop

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sunnyhours4130:

i have /usr/local/sbin/ but lircd does not exist in there

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daviey:

just type lircd that should work

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sunnyhours4130:

heh heh so whenever daviey gives up i'l give you a holler =)

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daviey:

sorry, not sure where lircd is on knoppmyth

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sunnyhours4130:

yeah. that took daviey..... i confirmed with ps aux that i do have an lircd running

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daviey:

didn't throw any errors?

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sunnyhours4130:

didn't throw any out to stdout =)

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sunnyhours4130:

not sure if there's a log file that it'll write to tho

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AngryElf:

do you have a lircd.conf file in place yet?

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daviey:

yeah

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sunnyhours4130:

yes. i have that in /etc/ and /etc/lirc

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sunnyhours4130:

i made it with irrecord

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daviey:

AngryElf, feel free to chip in

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sunnyhours4130:

please =)

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AngryElf:

ls /dev/lirc* ?

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AngryElf:

whenever I build lirc myself /dev/lirc shows up immediately following an install but when I reload it (say from a reeboot) /dev/lirc is gone — i'd suggest trying with /dev/lirc1

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sunnyhours4130:

okay, i killed it. /dev/lircd still exists

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sunnyhours4130:

correct

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AngryElf:

this is knoppmyth's package?

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sunnyhours4130:

yep

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AngryElf:

build it yourself

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AngryElf:

something's very wrong

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sunnyhours4130:

heh heh yeah. i'll say

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sunnyhours4130:

give me a few minutes. i'm on two computers at once. the knoppmyth box isn't actually on my network right now. i assume i'll have to wget the source?

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AngryElf:

hang on

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sunnyhours4130:

(this is knoppmyth R5D1 fyi)

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daviey:

just an idea

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AngryElf:

i dont know anything about knoppmyth

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sunnyhours4130:

ok

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daviey:

try doing it as root

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sunnyhours4130:

this has all been as root

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daviey:

oh

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daviey:

thought it could be a permission issue

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sunnyhours4130:

maybe try it as non root? =P

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daviey:

sunnyhours4130, took me 2 days to get lirc working (then i followed the instructions) and found it to be a 5 minute job

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sunnyhours4130:

which instructions did you use?

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daviey:

i don't run knoppmyth; i'm using ubuntu

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sunnyhours4130:

cool. i have one of those running also. i find that ubutnu documentation is very good

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daviey:

it is

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sunnyhours4130:

maybe i'll do this backwards. I'll throw up another ubuntu on that box and get lirc running first. then build myth =)

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sunnyhours4130:

my first myth build was on mandriva... did that one from source

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sunnyhours4130:

so i could handle it i think

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AngryElf:

i've never seen a good myth or lirc package :/

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daviey:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Edgy

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daviey:

that really did work as described

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sunnyhours4130:

nice

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daviey:

i have used that 3 times now and it just works

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sunnyhours4130:

awesome

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sunnyhours4130:

how hard was the myth install (before or after that)?

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daviey:

myth from packages, easy

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daviey:

sudo apt-get install mythtv

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sunnyhours4130:

oh man, really?

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daviey:

then you can add plugins such as mythweb in the same way

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daviey:

make sure there isn't a mythtv user on the system prior to install

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sunnyhours4130:

hmm. may just stay up late and do that tonight

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daviey:

mythweb requires the database password to be added in a conf file

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daviey:

the db password is randomly generated; it is in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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sunnyhours4130:

cool

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daviey:

http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php is an excellant guide

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daviey:

(most of that you'll know though)

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sunnyhours4130:

what type of tuner card are you using?

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daviey:

2 x Nova-T

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daviey:

u?

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sunnyhours4130:

1x avermedia a179 or something

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sunnyhours4130:

would like to build a new box with an hdtv card (or two) in it within the next year, depending on how my stocks do ;-)

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daviey:

what country are you in?

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sunnyhours4130:

in the us

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sunnyhours4130:

you?

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daviey:

poor u ;)

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daviey:

UK

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sunnyhours4130:

hah

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sunnyhours4130:

oh cool

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sunnyhours4130:

never been. i'd like to go. i hear everything is real expensive

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sunnyhours4130:

(which isn't why i want to go)

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daviey:

it's relative; the dollar is worthless so our stuff seems more expensive

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daviey:

but our houses are really expensive

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daviey:

Although there is a feeling here that our economy is about to burst!

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sunnyhours4130:

heh heh

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sunnyhours4130:

"about to"

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sunnyhours4130:

do you work in IT?

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daviey:

yeah

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sunnyhours4130:

cool, me too. have a bunch of customers in the UK

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daviey:

by day a coder, by night a lirc fiing superhero

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sunnyhours4130:

lol. i wouldn't give up that coding job if i was you

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daviey:

hahah

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sunnyhours4130:

i appriciate the effort though. most people just tell me to go rtfm or google it

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daviey:

the mythtv community seems better than most others. The Asterisk community seems cold

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sunnyhours4130:

heh yeah

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sunnyhours4130:

i haven't really gotten into any other projects besides myth, so i don't have much of a reference point

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daviey:

I hated posting q's on knoppmyth forum. There's a knowitall that shoots everybody down.

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daviey:

(but yet doesn't give you the answer)

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jeffmeden:

so i have an onboard intel sound device in my mythtv and the frontend isnt obeying the mixer for volume level

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daviey:

are you using Alsa or the OSS mixer?

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sunnyhours4130:

what distro you using jeffmeden ?

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jeffmeden:

alsa, fedora 5 (mythdora 3.2)

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jeffmeden:

the frontend controls the mixer well

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jeffmeden:

but the mixer doesnt change the sound level at all

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sunnyhours4130:

hmmm....

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daviey:

are you using 'alsamixer' or mythtv?

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jeffmeden:

either. alsamixer matches what frontend is trying to set (if i turn the vol up or down in TV mode it changes on the mixer)

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jeffmeden:

but no matter what the mixer is set to the actual volume never changes

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daviey:

sunnyhours4130, we were talking about IT jobs; i'd give it up in a flash to get a decent *nix job

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jeffmeden:

neither the master nor the PCM channel have any effect

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sunnyhours4130:

daviey: yeah, coding can be a drag

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daviey:

actually the ALSA mixer on my laptop has no effect on vol but the pcm does

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jeffmeden:

so i have to conclude that however the frontend is playing sound, its not going through alsa or somehow alsa is mixing the wrong things

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daviey:

sunnyhours4130, it's not the coding i have a problem with; it's the win32 i hate

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sunnyhours4130:

oooohhhhh

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frank___:

I have a PVR-150. The only way to make it work is to specify the tuner manually: modprobe ivtv tuner=50 I'm doing this manually everytime I boot. How can I make this permanent

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daviey:

depmod?

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jeffmeden:

anyone have an idea where my sound is going?

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daviey:

jeffmeden, no – but try using the OSS device and see if that works (as a test)

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sunnyhours4130:

make a startup script =)

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daviey:

frank___, depmod -a ; should load the module into the kernel permently'

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daviey:

(i think)

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Milosch:

frank___: there is at least one file containing options for various modules

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Milosch:

possibly /etc/modprobe.d/options

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frank___:

Milosch: I'll check

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Milosch:

after adding to that the options for ivtv, run depmod -a

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frank___:

Milosch: I think you're right

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daviey:

woohoo i was right

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Milosch:

depmod -a rereads those files, among other things

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daviey:

sunnyhours4130, has Lost been on yet?

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sunnyhours4130:

no idea, not following that one

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daviey:

what time is it there?

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ender_EE:

its not on for another hour here

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frank___:

Milosch: daviey: thanks! I'm gonna try rebooting to see if everything works

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daviey:

doh! I'll have to leave it untill the morning then

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daviey:

frank___, good luck

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sunnyhours4130:

905

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sunnyhours4130:

(new york time)

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ender_EE:

lost moved to the 10pm (east coast) time slot for the spring

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daviey:

:( don't they know there are unscuprilous people waiting to re-encode then torrent the episode?

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daviey:

ofcourse i am disgusted by these people ;)

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kormoc:

daviey, disgusted or not, just don't talk about that here

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daviey:

kormoc, yes sir

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** daviey feels suitably told off; he's off to bed **

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daviey:

night all

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kormoc:

night

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sunnyhours4130:

later

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sunnyhours4130:

thanks for your help

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Milosch:

frank___: do tell

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frank___:

After booting it doesn't work and I get [17179660.404000] cx25840 1–0044: 1x1 is not a valid size! in dmesg multiple times

[02:11:58]

frank___:

If I rmmod ivtv and modprobe ivtv , everything works

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frank___:

I actually have 2 PVR-150 with different tuners

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frank___:

I don't understand what you want me to do exactly...

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frank___:

I found another guy with the same problem on the mythtv mailing list but no solution. (he has a pvr-500, which is basically 2 pvr-150 side by side I think)

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Milosch:

i have that card and no options and all is well...

[02:21:01]

Milosch:

but, that line is commented in my options file, and might help

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frank___:

Actually the other one has a XtremeTV PVR 550

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frank___:

what line?

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frank___:

lol

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frank___:

tda9887 wm8775 cx25840 tuner not sure which ones are related

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frank___:

Milosch: bah. I don't really know what I'm doing

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sunnyhours4130:

me neither =P

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gberardi:

Is it normal to have mpg files remain even after you tell MythTV to delete them? I had no recordings stored and yet over 200GB of capacity was missing. I found a bunch of mpg files in /var/lib/mythtv, and sure enough, they were recordings.

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ender_EE:

are you sure they aren't livetv buffers that have not yet autoexpired?

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gberardi:

200GB worth of unexpired livetv?

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gberardi:

And offhand, no, I don't know.

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ender_EE:

well, that wouldn't be uncommon for me, since i record on digital tuners at roughly 7gig/hour

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gberardi:

I was under the impression that the default settings delete the live buffers relatively soon.

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ender_EE:

gberardi: i can't say that i've ever seen it leave that much just lying around in my experience, but i don't have a good answer — just was trying to offer some help since its been quiet in here (guess everyone is gone)

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ender_EE:

i don't really *know* the answer you need, though, sorry

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gberardi:

No, but that at least gives me someplace to look.

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gberardi:

Trying to google for "mythtv doesn't delete files" is not turning up much. B-)

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gberardi:

Thanks

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degreseven:

anyone know how i can make mythweb stream videos rather than making you download them when you click the video thumbnail? IIRC older versions of mythweb did this...

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Agrajag-:

i think that depends on your browser/plugins and stuff

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Agrajag-:

im pretty sure the content-type of the file mythweb serves hasn't changed

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degreseven:

really? i could swear i saw someone else asking the same thing a few months ago

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degreseven:

and i thought i remembered someone else telling him to change something in .htaccess, or some other config file

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ender_EE:

mythweb in svn is getting better streaming support. it looks like the videos are being wrapped as .asx (possibly with some backend transcoding?)

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ender_EE:

thought, it doesn't exactly work, on my setup, yet :-) looks like it should be cool when its stable and finished, though

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Agrajag-:

on the fly transcoding?

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Agrajag-:

it would be cool if flowplayer could do that

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ender_EE:

man, i really don't know, i haven't followed the dev thread. i'm just surprised to see these files wrapped as .asx now

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ender_EE:

i can't see how anyone would have hte horsepower for on-the-fly transocde of digital streams

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ender_EE:

i agree, it'd be cool if it could be done :-)

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adante:

ender_EE: the asx file just contains a http link to the recording file (no transcoding)

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ender_EE:

ok, that's what i expected was the case

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Agrajag-:

yeah, a lot of horsepower, but im pretty sure i've done the fly xvid encoding

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adante:

and for the record my p4 2.8ghz transcodes sd streams at around about 23fps.. so on-the-fly transcoding is not beyond the limits of feasibility i think

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ender_EE:

since totem didn't know what to do with the asx file on my box, i wasn't sure what was going on

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onewheelskyward:

a small cluster of machines could do it easily.

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Agrajag-:

i don't think anyone is about to implement the capability of having a small cluster of machines just so people can watch their tv shows over the net

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Aurelius_:

my transcoding runs about 50fps

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ender_EE:

on analog recordings or on hd/digital?

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ShiftyPowers:

hey all, anyone have experience with stuttering video on a remote frontend?

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ShiftyPowers:

my computer is connected via ethernet to the backend

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Aurelius_:

yes, but that frontend is a 733mhz ;0

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ShiftyPowers:

but mythfrontend still ends up going to 100% cpu usage and the video stutters

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adante:

ShiftyPowers: not since .19pre days

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adante:

whats the cpu?

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ShiftyPowers:

hmmm, maybe i'll try no XVMC

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adante:

Aurelius_: what sort of beast of a machine do you have?

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Ediehow:

oh to have myth's volume controllable again

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Ediehow:

what i wouldn't give

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Aurelius_:

adante: that does the 50fps? lemme check

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Aurelius_:

i can't remember :)

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Aurelius_:

it was a project at work

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ShiftyPowers:

what's the usevents key again?

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Aurelius_:

model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6400 @ 2.13GHz

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adante:

mm, that's quite sexy

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ender_EE:

now that's a machine :-) I just got a 6300

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ender_EE:

2 weeks ago

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Aurelius_:

23859 mythtv 33 17 102m 49m 12m D 66 5.0 26:15.09 mythtranscode

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Aurelius_:

66% cpu on a single core

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adante:

been thinking of putting together another mythbox with c2d but probably not worth it

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Aurelius_:

betwewen 50–70% cpu usually

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ender_EE:

c2d is overkill for basic myth stuff

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ender_EE:

myth is very happy on my athlon 3200+ (32bit) boxes

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adante:

tell you what i could've used it for the australian open though – had days with ~12+ hours of recording, built up quite a backlog

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Aurelius_:

this machine also does a few other things for us

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adante:

ender_EE: yeah myth is working great on my p4 2.8, even with azureus hogging resources in the background, and a bit of mail/file serving

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Aurelius_:

i'm going to be making it a vpn endpoint

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Aurelius_:

bastion host

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Aurelius_:

and 24x7 recording

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adante:

that said i've recently been doing a bit of crypto work on it and wouldn't mind the extra cycles, was trying to use xvmc but that fell on its face

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adante:

24x7 recording.. cool :]

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ender_EE:

i hope you aren't recording *all* day

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Aurelius_:

no

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Aurelius_:

it's broken out by show

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Aurelius_:

with 1 minute overlaps

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ender_EE:

i have only managed to get my record % up to about 39% this week

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adante:

would like to hear how that sounds Aurelius_ keep us updated

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ender_EE:

with 4 tuners

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Aurelius_:

since the scheduler doesn't seem to like to tailend things together

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adante:

er, turns out

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Aurelius_:

adante: the box? it's been working like a champ :)

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Aurelius_:

it's been in for 2 weeks now

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Aurelius_:

i'm tracking down a random crash thing right now, but aside from that, it chugs along

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adante:

Aurelius_: really? you're doing 24x7 recording now?

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Aurelius_:

yes

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adante:

thats crazy!

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adante:

how much storage dyou have

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Aurelius_:

we don't need super high quality

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Aurelius_:

only 250 gigs. it is enough for about a month at these qualities i think

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Aurelius_:

we do have some shows in the mix we record at higher levels

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ender_EE:

wow, its been years since i got by on 250 gig

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Aurelius_:

this is not a personal box

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Aurelius_:

if it were, it'd havve more

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Aurelius_:

but we don't need more

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Aurelius_:

heh, it's done transcoding for right now

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Aurelius_:

another 8 minutes an it should fire off th next one

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Aurelius_:

i'll give you a line from jobqueue when it's going

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adante:

damn, thats a pretty crazy bitrate aurelius

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ender_EE:

anyway, your 50fps is cheating, you've got some really sexy hardware in that box

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Aurelius_:

haha

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ender_EE:

most of us can't afford 6400s for myth

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Aurelius_:

well, if i didn't have 50fps

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adante:

my transcodes are managing about 1gig/hour

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Aurelius_:

i'd get an infinite backlock :)

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Aurelius_:

err, backlog

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adante:

that's about the limit for bearable quality for me i think

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Aurelius_:

since, as it stands, the cpu has cycles of work

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Aurelius_:

right now, it's running around 99% ide

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Aurelius_:

idle

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adante:

500kbps is around 220meg/hour.. i'm impressed you get anything worth watching with 1pass encoding at that rate

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ender_EE:

but, when you build myth on slackware, you expect to occasionally have some fun with stubborn compiles

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Aurelius_:

though, when we switch our signal to entirely hd, i'll suspect that my numbers will go way down

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adante:

Aurelius_: so, only one channel? :]

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Aurelius_:

adante: yes. the one i work for :)

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adante:

Aurelius_: oh heh, that's interesting

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Aurelius_:

it's for us to be able to go back when a client says "yeah, you aired the wrong spot at this time"

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Aurelius_:

pull up the archive of that time

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ender_EE:

ah, so quality is really not a big concern

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adante:

kind of cool to hear about myth being used in a business context :]

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Aurelius_:

it's a big enough concern

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Aurelius_:

but believe me, at the rate we have, it's a very good quality for what we need

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Aurelius_:

in fact, i'm thinking of bumping it down

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Aurelius_:

lemme see if i can figure out the exact bitrate

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ender_EE:

come on 11pm. need to lobotomize the backend after recordings stop for the night

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ender_EE:

pvr150 arrived in the mail today >_>

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Aurelius_:

-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv video 1199184311 Feb 7 20:50 1042_20070207190000.nuv

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Aurelius_:

one of our high quality recordings

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Aurelius_:

we have a few shows we record and store in higher quality

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Aurelius_:

since the rate we charge the clients is a bit higher :)

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Aurelius_:

primetime and all

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Aurelius_:

hehe

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ender_EE:

kind of funny that myth, which most of us use to skip commercials, is being used to help sell ad spots

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Aurelius_:

not sell, just confirm it aired as needed :)

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Aurelius_:

we still have the traffic logs confirming things

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Aurelius_:

but we can use myth to prove to the client :)

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Aurelius_:

and here comes the transcode

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Aurelius_:

should be just a few more seconds

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ender_EE:

crap, the recording is a 2hr show

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Aurelius_:

heh

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ender_EE:

hm, i didn't want to watch it that badly anyway

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Aurelius_:

are you the ender i knew a while back?

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Aurelius_:

hrm, going slow tonight

[05:02:19]

ender_EE:

probably not. i haven't been active in this channel ever, though i've been using myth for 4 years now

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Aurelius_:

only 45.3861 fps :)

[05:02:29]

Aurelius_:

not from this net.. i knew an ender on efnet

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Aurelius_:

ah, rate is going up

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ender_EE:

oh, been a long time since i've been on efnet

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Aurelius_:

hrm

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Aurelius_:

oh you know what

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Aurelius_:

ender was in the guy's hostname

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Aurelius_:

not his nick

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Aurelius_:

heh

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ender_EE:

but probably not the same :-)

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Aurelius_:

he was icee

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Aurelius_:

:)

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Aurelius_:

there we go

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ender_EE:

i gotta come up with a new handle sometime. this one is common and worn out

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Aurelius_:

| 408 | 1042 | 2007-02–07 20:00:00 | 2007-02–07 21:01:02 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 2007-02–07 21:03:11 | sfgenvid0001 | | 4% Completed @ 52.1306 fps. |

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Aurelius_:

:)

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ender_EE:

well, i guess since irssi is living on the mythbackend, which is about to die for some pci-swapping, i'm gone for a bit :-)

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Aurelius_:

ok

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Aurelius_:

have fun

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W6SN:

bah, nickserv, this is me :P

[05:05:34]

W6SN:

ooh

[05:05:38]

W6SN:

i remembered my password

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W6SN:

heh

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adante:

ender from the book?

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adante:

oh, heh

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W6SN:

heh

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W6SN:

i just calculated it out

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W6SN:

53539.282kB/s

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W6SN:

average, including the primetimes

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W6SN:

so 428kbps heh

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W6SN:

if i take the primetimes out...

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W6SN:

that early nummber was 53.539 heh

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W6SN:

41238kB/s

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W6SN:

err

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W6SN:

damn dots

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W6SN:

41.238kB/s

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W6SN:

330kbps :)

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W6SN:

roughly 4.1gigs/day

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onewheelskyward:

Average data generation?

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W6SN:

for the 24 hours of recording

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adante:

hm

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adante:

but surely thats not watchable if you actually wanted to enjoy the show

[05:16:17]

adante:

well, bearable

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W6SN:

it's definitely bearable

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W6SN:

it's at 480x480, mpeg4

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adante:

whats the quality parameter?

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W6SN:

2 to 15

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adante:

maan

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adante:

i must be doing something wrong

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adante:

i run 2–15 with 2200kbps

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adante:

320x192 res (?)

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adante:

that's about the limit for me

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W6SN:

mcv, lemme show you from codecparams

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W6SN:

moment

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W6SN:

http://www.offsitebackups.net/mp4.txt

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W6SN:

obviously the mpeg2 settings don't matter

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W6SN:

and i have it scale the bitrate for the framesize

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W6SN:

so the 281 in there doesn't really get obeyed

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W6SN:

though it's pretty darn close ;)

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W6SN:

i'd say 330 is close enough considering there's audio in there too

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W6SN:

i meanmysql> select * from codecparams where profile=29;

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W6SN:

+---------+--------------------------+-----------+

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W6SN:

| profile | name | value |

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W6SN:

+---------+--------------------------+-----------+

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W6SN:

| 29 | hardwaremjpeghdecimation | 4 |

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W6SN:

damn son

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W6SN:

sorry about that

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W6SN:

he hit the paste mouse button

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defaultro:

LOL, poor son

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W6SN:

he's 8 months old :)

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defaultro:

hehehe

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W6SN:

and he's squirming in my lap

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defaultro:

he will be a hacker for sure

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defaultro:

he knows how to press ctrl-v

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marx3423425i5588:

1337 hacker

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W6SN:

so yeah, i like this box

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W6SN:

just have to determine why backend is crashing out

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defaultro:

hey guys, what is personal property tax? :P

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W6SN:

where is it being levied?

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marx3423425i5588:

jason: I should try running that on the dell server we bought it's a xeon dual 2ghz 1333fsb

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W6SN:

hehe

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KG6MDW:

lol

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W6SN:

but then you'd have to keep it running

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KG6MDW:

lol

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W6SN:

i wanna build another myth box for my personal use

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W6SN:

btw keith said he's sending you up to fix the cat5 on saturday ;)

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** W6SN smirks **

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KG6MDW:

I encoded a dvd on my laptop and it took like 30 mins

[05:29:23]

KG6MDW:

i'm not going to the hill on the weekend.

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W6SN:

are you gonna go up on the 24th or whatever?

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W6SN:

it was mentioned at the board meeting even

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W6SN:

so i'm guessing it's to work on all the repeaters

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justinh:

morning

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KG6MDW:

no I am not

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KG6MDW:

I was not asked

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KG6MDW:

pm

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KG6MDW:

actually aim

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sandeen:

W6SN, hey did I talk to you about xfs once...?

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sandeen:

you use xfs on those commercial-watching machines?

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W6SN:

yes

[05:33:31]

sandeen:

scrolling up, reading your application, rang a bell

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W6SN:

ah

[05:33:52]

W6SN:

yes

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W6SN:

i use xfs now

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adante:

W6SN: hmm ok

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adante:

interesting, will have to tweak my settings when i get back :]

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W6SN:

hehe

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adante:

i would really like to see some sort of supersuper 24x7 multi channel recorder in action.. but yeah i think at the moment that is beyond the limits of my budget if not quite technology

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W6SN:

adante: remember, when i say it's bearable, i don't have super high expectations

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W6SN:

i'm not a big "hifi" guy

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W6SN:

so you may totally hate my settings

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W6SN:

i have all the checkmarks ticked on the settings page

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W6SN:

so that'll slow the encode down a bit

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adante:

heh still, 50fps is nice :]

[05:38:35]

adante:

what i'd like to see is myth implement 2pass encoding

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adante:

so i can get the sort of quality you see in the hdtvrips on the net.. really damn nice quality for 350meg/42min

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W6SN:

our "high quality" stuff is only different in one way

[05:39:52]

W6SN:

well, 2

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W6SN:

we don't resize, so it stays 720x480

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W6SN:

and the bitrate is targetted to 2208

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W6SN:

ends up being around 2628kbps

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W6SN:

probably cuz of the audio again

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adante:

righto

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** W6SN looks at mythweb **

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W6SN:

haha, wow

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W6SN:

Transcode Starting – Montecristo: 1.8 GB (Low Quality)

[05:45:16]

W6SN:

Transcode Finished – Montecristo: 138.2 MB (Low Quality)

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clever:

lol nice

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W6SN:

an hour show

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clever:

i havent changed the quality settings yet and only loose 0.1 to 0.2 gig

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W6SN:

that's a true hour, not the commercial stripped :)

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W6SN:

actully, 61 minutes

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W6SN:

heh

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clever:

lol

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clever:

how would i manualy mark a file to be com flaged

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clever:

it seems i can only select that when seting up a show to be recorded

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W6SN:

'media library', select the recording, i think there's something under job options or sommat

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W6SN:

i THINK

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W6SN:

i haven't needed to find that stuff... so admittedly, i don't really know heh

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clever:

lol

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W6SN:

tell you what, mythweb takes FOREVER when showing me all the recorded shows

[05:51:16]

W6SN:

heh

[05:51:38]

clever:

i only have 6gig of recorded shows

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W6SN:

Space Used: 110,308 MB

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clever:

Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on

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clever:

52G 43G 6.3G 88% /media/theP4

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W6SN:

heh

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W6SN:

that's 43 used

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W6SN:

not 6 ;)

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clever:

that 43 is the system and non mythtv based videos

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clever:

mainly

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W6SN:

ah

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clever:

large chunk of avi files from before i got mythtv (anime)

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clever:

and the os

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clever:

6gig within the /var/lib/mythtv/ folder

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clever:

lol wineinstaller told me to get lunch

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W6SN:

heh

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clever:

i think its just a script which runs configure makedepend make and su make install and moniters it a bit for errors

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clever:

to n00bify it a bit more:P

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W6SN:

hehe

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W6SN:

ugh, i wish my son would fall asleep

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clever:

lol

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** clever doesnt have any kids **

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clever:

how old is he?

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W6SN:

he is only 8 months, and is at the stage where he wants to stay up

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W6SN:

and stand up

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W6SN:

but he's too tired

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clever:

lol

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W6SN:

so he just whines endlessly

[05:58:23]

clever:

get a tts program

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justinh:

tell him to post on the -users mailing list

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clever:

and feed the output of ./configure&&make&&make install in the mythtv dir to it

[05:58:59]

clever:

make the pc read off checking..... and all that to the kid:P

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W6SN:

heh

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clever:

should bore anything to sleep with the single toned talking on and on and on and on

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clever:

will also help to drown out the noise hes making:P

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W6SN:

he'll be quiet for about 5 minutes after he gets his binkie

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W6SN:

and act really sleepy

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W6SN:

but then he'll bore of the binky

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W6SN:

so spit it out

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W6SN:

and start whining again

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W6SN:

trying to climb all over me, even when i'm holding him :P

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justinh:

be careful with that. he might grow up to be a real sociopath. don't think any research has been done into the subject of listening to the output of gcc in sleep

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clever:

LOL

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W6SN:

he's getting pretty good at standing though

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clever:

i was allmost falling asleep at the pc lastnight waiting for mythtv to build

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W6SN:

my daughter totally bypassed crawling

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W6SN:

he's pretty much doing the same

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W6SN:

i think he's crawled a total of about 50'

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clever:

got them good genes maybe?:P

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W6SN:

he keeps trying to stand and walk

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clever:

get him a walker:P

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W6SN:

even when he can't really keep his eyes open :) he'll still try and stand against you and look around

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clever:

but you might have trouble finding ones in his size

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W6SN:

he's pretty good sized

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clever:

not adult sized though:P

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W6SN:

heh, they do have kids' walkers yanno

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clever:

lol;p

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clever:

i was thinking elderly ones:P

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W6SN:

heh yeh

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clever:

i dont need one yet:P

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clever:

but i did blow a knee last month

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W6SN:

what part?

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clever:

dont know

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clever:

i just know it made a loud crunch and then it hurt to walk/stand for a month

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W6SN:

hrm

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W6SN:

cuz i tore my miniscus

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W6SN:

ended up having knee surgery

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clever:

yeah i talked to several people

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clever:

some said it wouldnt get better and would take a few years to fully heal

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clever:

some said to put ice on it

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clever:

a few insisted i call 911

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W6SN:

if it's your miniscus it will probably not heal

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clever:

some where surprised it wasnt swelling up at all

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clever:

i had gone down the stairs to look out the door

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clever:

then with just my right foot on the floor

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clever:

i spin 180

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clever:

spun*

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clever:

so i twisted my ankle+knee+hip+spine about 180 in total

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W6SN:

ah

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W6SN:

probably the MCL or ACL

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clever:

then i tryed to jump up the stairs

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W6SN:

but still likely to be the miniscus

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clever:

*crunch*

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W6SN:

crunch or just a really messy pop?

[06:08:45]

clever:

wasnt realy listening that closely:P

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clever:

too much pain

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W6SN:

hehehe

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W6SN:

inside? outside?

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clever:

wound up falling into the stairs

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clever:

i turned to the left

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clever:

while twisting my right knee

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W6SN:

ouch

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W6SN:

know how ya feel :)

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clever:

it was only half a flight of stairs that i fell into

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W6SN:

so yeah, in case ya missed it, he and i know each other ;)

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clever:

was able to drag myself to the top and lay on the floor to rest for a min

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clever:

after the first day most of the pain was gone

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clever:

and i could walk aslong as i didnt try to fully extend my leg

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clever:

but walking like that meant keeping my leg half bent with weight on it

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clever:

putting extra load on the muscles

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W6SN:

that sounds like my symptoms

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clever:

when it normaly went into the knee joint

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clever:

also my leg was shorter then normal because i had it bent

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clever:

making it harder to walk

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W6SN:

yeah

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clever:

it happened arround jan 3rd

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clever:

seems fully healed now

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W6SN:

hopefully, it's nothing i'd wish on anyone

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W6SN:

it's a painful, recurring injury before my surgery

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clever:

:(

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clever:

you know much about sendmail?

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hads:

Just enough to use something else :)

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ender_EE:

so nice when everything just works with myth and new tuners!

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W6SN:

hehe

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W6SN:

awesome ender

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justinh:

that's what I thought up til the other night. keeps you on your toes, sometimes

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** justinh grumbles about firmware corruption & stuff **

[06:21:22]

** W6SN <3 Larissa Wright **

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ender_EE:

i wasted 4 days trying to make a very old, very cheap bttv card work. finally gave up and bought a pvr150

[06:22:56]

ender_EE:

oh well, all works now!

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W6SN:

heh

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justinh:

ender_EE: good for you, if only more would follow that example

[06:24:56]

ender_EE:

well, i used to own a pair of pvr250s, so i knew the hauppauge cards worked wonderfully

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justinh:

"but.. Unclued Jimbob gave me this cappy card thing – I've tried for like TEN minutes & cant get it worky worky. help!"

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hads:

heh

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ender_EE:

it wasn't quite like that. my card is actually fried. it stopped working and crashed the backend 4 times in one day

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Dagmar:

fuuun

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ender_EE:

i mean, i know how to make it work when it's not dead

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ender_EE:

now i get to gleefully choose a method of destruction for the blasted thing

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hads:

Jackhammer :)

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clever:

get a desoldering iron

[06:29:28]

clever:

tear it limb from limb:P

[06:29:37]

ender_EE:

oh, i've got soldering tools

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clever:

get disasembling:P

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ender_EE:

but that seams too mild

[06:30:02]

clever:

check over it for damaged parts

[06:30:07]

clever:

then put it back together

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clever:

and try and use it:P

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ender_EE:

maybe after i finish my thesis in a month

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ender_EE:

no time for tracing circuits right now

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clever:

test out in a spare motherboard incase you shorted the + and -:P

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Dagmar:

As you can tell, his handle is an oxymoron

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justinh:

just get a heatgun, finish it off and give the card a proper burial

[06:31:21]

clever:

lol

[06:31:32]

clever:

i think we may still have the heatgun from starting the wood furnace

[06:31:33]

justinh:

ZOMG no! remember teh enviromink or sumfink

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clever:

that was allmost 10 years ago that we had the wood furnace:P

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Dagmar:

Bleh. You'd think Hewlett-Packard could keep their webservers online

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hads:

justinh: Interestingly I had my PVR150 outputting bad data lastnight. Took a reboot to fix it. Must have been the moon or something :)

[06:35:21]

clever:

Thermal 1: ok, 81.0 degrees C

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ender_EE:

blootube-wide *is* nice. been running that one for a few weeks

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hads:

The main box is hooked up to a CRT though so it's pretty low res.

[06:41:39]

justinh:

yeah blootube-wide at 1920x1080 is suicide unless you have more than a gig of ram

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justinh:

but for the ram-misers out there, there's blootubelite-wide

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hads:

Yeah, I might give that a crack on the minimyth system. It's 1366x768.

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Dagmar:

OMG

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justinh:

I have 512MB in my frontend & even at 720x576 blootube-wide made minimyth puke. hence the lite version

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justinh:

anyway gotta run – time to go to work

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Dagmar:

Something else was wrong there

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hads:

Later justinh

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hads:

Dagmar: ?

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Dagmar:

It shouldn't have been able to kill something with 512Mb of RAM

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clever:

i run gnome and the gnome sys moniter addon in the gnome-panel

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clever:

so i can see a realtime graph of cpu/ram/swap/net/hdd/loadavg

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clever:

and i can see right now the ram usage is going up and down like a nasty rollercoaster

[06:48:23]

clever:

gcc starts

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clever:

uses a ton of ram compiling

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clever:

closes and it drops

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clever:

repeat

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onewheelskyward:

That's pretty normal.

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onewheelskyward:

gcc is stateless, it reloads all the required libs and includes on each compile.

[07:02:50]

jhatch:

Has anyone here ever used the command "mythcommflag -f [filename.mpg] --rebuild" successfully?

[07:03:37]

kormoc:

yes

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jhatch:

For me it makes it so I can fast forward again, but it makes myth thing a 1 hr recording is now 4 hours long and it really makes it FF fast...

[07:04:51]

hads:

Hah. Finally got my laptop back up. It was sitting on the couch doing an update and it overheated and shutdown halfway though generating the initrd

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hads:

Dagmar: If it's loading everything into RAM then it's understandable.

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clever:

onewheelskyward: yep:)

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clever:

hads: lol

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Dagmar:

hads: Why the hell would it do that?

[07:07:40]

Dagmar:

Ooooohhh.

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Dagmar:

That's not exactly mini

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hads:

:)

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hads:

The compressed rootfs is only ~40MB by itself

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Dagmar:

I would have thought someone would have rethought that name by now

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hads:

Why's that?

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kormoc:

640k is enough for anyone

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hads:

heh

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clever:

lol

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defaultro:

kormoc, I was talking to my officemate this afternoon. He mentioned to me that FCC might pass a rule which will allow consumers to have their own set top boxes rather than what cable companies are actually lending to consumers. Is it true?

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clever:

we own one of our 3 cable boxes

[07:15:57]

clever:

and are renting the other 2

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kormoc:

defaultro, that's the idea behind cable cards, yes

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defaultro:

wow, that's a great thing for us then :)

[07:17:42]

defaultro:

hopefully, we can also have other cable companies and not just comcast

[07:17:55]

defaultro:

in my area, it's just comcast :(

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kormoc:

that won't change

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defaultro:

that's what he mentioned too

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defaultro:

but i don't know where he got that message

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defaultro:

:)

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defaultro:

i also read about a year ago that cable cards isn't supported yet in linux. Did you ever come across any article of some linux community writing a driver for it?

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kormoc:

it's likely never going to be supported

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onewheelskyward:

Verizon is working on video service to compete directly with Comcast in certain markets.

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kormoc:

verizon already has video services

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kormoc:

it's part of their FIOS package

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hjohnson:

i think comcast has a call center here in vancouver.

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hjohnson:

because when I went by this one building here, I saw a comcast banner hung up on a wall

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hjohnson:

kormoc: hmm, the telco here is doing TV over DSL

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onewheelskyward:

I think this is separate from their FIOS offerings.

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kormoc:

onewheelskyward, ooh? why would they do that? what do they send it over?

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defaultro:

brb

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onewheelskyward:

I haven't figured it out yet — I read an article in the ORegonian about it. It has to do with the FCC stepping in, which makes me wonder if they're going to use Comcast's lines or the phone copper.

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W6SN:

IPTV maybe

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kormoc:

onewheelskyward, they can't, due to the contract comcast has with most citys/areas. the FCC is actively discouraging sharing cable lines

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kormoc:

W6SN, that's their FIOS service, he's saying it's something different :P

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onewheelskyward:

erizon Communications Inc. has a preliminary deal with cable television regulators to start offering TV service in Washington County, a long-anticipated challenge to Comcast Corp.

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onewheelskyward:

The pact, due for consideration Feb. 8 by the Metropolitan Area Communications Commission, would clear Verizon to compete with Comcast for TV viewers beginning late this year or early 2008.

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kormoc:

onewheelskyward, heh, aye, that's their FIOS tv :P

[07:25:16]

onewheelskyward:

Oh yeah, there it is.

[07:25:29]

onewheelskyward:

Verizon's cable service would be delivered over fiber-optic lines the company began laying to Washington County homes about two years ago. The cables are currently used to deliver superfast Internet connections for a service Verizon calls FiOS.

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Dagmar:

Oh don't worry

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onewheelskyward:

That's interesting...no wonder they're targetting the suburbs. They've been building it into the infrastructure of the new subdivisions.

[07:25:56]

** kormoc nods **

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Dagmar:

They'll do a merger and take care of that whole stressful competition problem

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onewheelskyward:

Those of us in the city are probably screwed. :)

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kormoc:

onewheelskyward, nah, it'll just take some time

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kormoc:

they can take a nice chunk of inet business if they'd care to

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onewheelskyward:

weird...this has some interesting information about these 'cable commissions' that regulate what you can get at home.

[07:28:01]

onewheelskyward:

Yet you have no say in what they do. :)

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Dagmar:

onewheelskyward: You might get angry after reading it

[07:28:52]

onewheelskyward:

Nah, I'm not the angry type.

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Dagmar:

Dude, they're mainly a formal way for a cable company to get gov't permission to do as little as possible to maintain their infrastructure without being paid to upgrade

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hads:

Hmm, what's the way to make recordings only go longer if there's nothing conflicting? Using DefaultStartOffset/DefaultEndOffset causes conflicts.

[07:38:39]

Dagmar:

Really?

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Dagmar:

Are you sure about that?

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Dagmar:

Oh wait, _offset_

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null_:

Can someone say how stable SVN rev. 12290 is? Or does someone know a revision that is rock-solid behind 12290?

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Dagmar:

There's a thing that lets you _pad_ all recordings by a number of seconds, and it won't cause conflicts, but it will make the thing use two tuners if programs are on right after each other

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Dagmar:

null_: If you're pulling SVN versions you take your chances.

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kormoc:

null_, if they were rock solid, they'd be stable

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clever:

whats the cmd to dl the very latest svn version thats still in dev?

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kormoc:

clever, http://svn.mythtv.org

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hads:

Dagmar: Hmm, and if if there's two shows on right after each other on one tuner it will just not pad them?

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Dagmar:

hads: Exactly

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null_:

Dagmar: well, I just need one patch for dvd subtitles, but it works only with 12290...

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hads:

Nice. Do you know what the setting is off the top of your head?

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clever:

hads: what if there on the same channel?

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Dagmar:

The usual answer "Somewhere in the frontend setup"

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clever:

cant it duplicate the padding bit between the 2 files maybe?

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hads:

heh, fair enough

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kormoc:

clever, in development, currently no

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Dagmar:

null_: So get 12290 or stop worrying about subtitles

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clever:

ahh but its allready been thought of:)

[07:43:41]

clever:

looks like i allready grabed the latest

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** clever trys svn update **

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clever:

:) its doing something

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clever:

lol not many changes so distcc'ing isnt helpfull

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clever:

its having trouble finding enough branches to fully use my cpu'

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clever:

s

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hads:

Dagmar: Cheers.

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onewheelskyward:

You would think my spam filter would know by now that anything coming from Fifth Third Bank is junk.

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hads:

Aha, it's in TV Settings -> General

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Dagmar:

onewheelskyward: I like how they try to convince people that they should hang onto their money for them, when they don't even understand fractions properly. ;)

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k-man:

hello

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hads:

RecordPreRoll/RecordOverTime are the settings

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onewheelskyward:

It's right up there with why on earth is Naked Trucker and T-Bones on the air.

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justinh:

hrm... wondering where to put the background drawing stuff in videogallery.cpp

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W6SN:

heh

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W6SN:

5th 3rd eh?

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justinh:

decisions, decisions...

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W6SN:

now i just need to find a way to get starttime into the VideoFrame struct

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W6SN:

so I can use that + timecode to get current time of the vieo stream i'm playing back... and overlay it on the image

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justinh:

oh it's you again

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W6SN:

yup me!

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W6SN:

and oh, it's you again :P

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justinh:

nice to see you're trying to achieve what you wanted yourself anyway :)

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justinh:

set a good example

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clever:

:)

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W6SN:

yeah, it went to the back burner for a bit as things moved along

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W6SN:

but i'm getting a little time to work on it again :)

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W6SN:

right now my priority is finding out why backend is dying on us though

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clever:

my backend segfaults every now and then

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justinh:

mine doesn't :D

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W6SN:

i'm not getting signal informatoin in the syslogs though

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W6SN:

so i went to -v all

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W6SN:

spamming my mythlog :)

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clever:

need to cvs update&&make&&sudo make install

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clever:

i allways start the backend in a terminal

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clever:

no log files to dig for

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W6SN:

i can't do that

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W6SN:

we are recording 24x7 heh

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clever:

lol

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W6SN:

so for now i have a script checking for myth every few minutes

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W6SN:

and if not running, boom, start it up

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clever:

what about this script

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clever:

while [ 1 ];

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clever:

mythbackend

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clever:

}

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clever:

also my while loops in bash are very rusty:P

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clever:

maybe a sleep 2;

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clever:

as soon as it exists start it back up

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W6SN:

hehe

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clever:

and run in non deamon so it wont exit asap

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W6SN:

just put it in inittab :)

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clever:

LOL

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clever:

that works:P

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clever:

init also can tell when its exiting too fast and restarting alot and takes a break

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W6SN:

yeye

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clever:

wont it log to /dev/console enless you script and > it?

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clever:

and why is it recording 24/7?

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W6SN:

you musta missed that part earlier :) i work at a tv station, we use it as an over the air archive... records what comes off our transmitter :)

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clever:

ahhh:)

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W6SN:

to be able to look back if we have any complaints or claims of not airing a commercial at a certain time

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clever:

ahhh:)

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justinh:

videogallery.cpp:881: error: no Ã¢void VideoGallery::updateBackground()Ã¢ member function declared in class Ã¢VideoGalleryÃ¢

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W6SN:

someone once complained that we had really noisy audio during their show

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justinh:

bah

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W6SN:

so we pulled it up and there were no problems with the audio

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Dagmar:

So what tuner card are you using?

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Dagmar:

My backend doesn't ever fall over.

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W6SN:

pvr500

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W6SN:

my backend wasn't falling over either

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Dagmar:

...or are you the guy who was in here before and decided to use a PVR and a Bt8x8 card in the same machine?

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W6SN:

just inn the last week it started dying

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W6SN:

nah, just a sigle pvr500

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Dagmar:

"<W6SN> right now my priority is finding out why backend is dying on us though"

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W6SN:

yeah, wasn't... it is now

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W6SN:

just inn the last week it started dying

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Dagmar:

Hmm...

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W6SN:

and i haven't changed the version

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W6SN:

so i'm running with -v all to try and track it down

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W6SN:

ok, bedtime

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W6SN:

have a good night

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justinh:

hmmm I'm a bit lost now

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t0ny-p40:

Any one awake tonight?

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Dagmar:

Nope

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t0ny-p40:

Where would /class/input/input5 be?

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t0ny-p40:

like in this

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onewheelskyward:

I'm awake and still drinking.

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justinh:

does this look like #31337xboxsupport?

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Dagmar:

There's an #xbmc somewhere, I'm sure.

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t0ny-p40:

justinh, No, but I'm trying to get my xbox dvd dongle wire to a pc via usb to work with mythtv

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t0ny-p40:

So it is still somewhat dealing with mythtv :)

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BlackAura:

So, quick question.........I don't have a TV Tuner card, in fact, I don't intend to use MythTV this way right now (when I move out and get cable, yes...right now we're on Satellite). At the moment, I was hoping to setup a media box to stream video off my main computer to the TV. Is MythTV a good choice for this? I have all my media sorted in the directories: /media/movies or "/media/tv/<show>/season <y>/episode <x>"

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BlackAura:

so obviously the MythVideo module would work great for the movies.....but how would I go about sorting the TV shows by their names, seasons, and episodes?

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Dagmar:

You wouldn't be doing it with MythVideo, that's for sure

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Dagmar:

It's not that smart.

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clever:

you could add crude rules to them to detect the format of the file names and extract the episode numbers and stuff

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pat_:

yay, 4 tuners

[09:20:18]

clever:

my videos are spread across 5 boxes

[09:20:32]

clever:

but with my symlinks they appear to all be in /home/clever/avis/links/alllinks/

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BlackAura:

clever: I was thinking that would be an effective way....however is there an easier way of accessing them inside MythTV? I.e. Say I want to go "Watch a Video off the Harddrive" -> "Select a Show" -> "(If multiple_seasons) Select a Season" -> Select an Episode?

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clever:

with mythvideo you need to give it a path to the videos in the setup

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clever:

then your just given a browse type window

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clever:

list of folders/files in that set folder

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hads:

Yeah, mythvideo shows subdirectories so it will be fine.

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clever:

arrow keys and enter to go thru them

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clever:

brb

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hads:

I have mine in movies/TV/Show/Season/Episode and it works fine

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hads:

I like the "Listings" view

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clever:

mine are sorted by /media/videos/`hostname`/showname/show_episode.avi

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clever:

by using `hostname` in the path im able to nfsmount multiple pc's into there

[09:24:46]

clever:

mythvideo just looks at /media/videos

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clever:

causing it to cover all systems

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BlackAura:

Okay....so for the sake of testing, I've gone into the Media setup and pointed it to /media/movies, and I have 5 symlinks in there with spaces in the filenames.

[09:25:09]

clever:

i'll symlink them all to 1 place later so i wont need to know which box its on

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BlackAura:

Going to "Media Library" -> "Watch Videos" shows nothing

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clever:

i beleive it handles spaces fine

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BlackAura:

"No files found"

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clever:

you need to scan for files first

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clever:

config->video manager i think

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clever:

it scans and puts a list in mysql

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clever:

winamp and wmp do the same thing

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BlackAura:

ooohhh

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BlackAura:

thanks!

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BlackAura:

I now have all 5 listed in there.

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clever:

:)

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BlackAura:

Now if I hit 'i' it will connect to IMDB right?

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clever:

no idea

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BlackAura:

yep

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BlackAura:

well, gives you a nice menu

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clever:

havent played with the imdb yet

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BlackAura:

so you can enter stuff manually or connect to imdb

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clever:

most of the files i watch are recently released subs of anime

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BlackAura:

okay......next up I have to get epsidoes working.......so do I need all the symlinks in one directory, or does it check recursively?

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BlackAura:

clever: heh, one of the reasons I'm setting this up is for anime.

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clever:

it just goes thru all the folders underneath the set one looking for filese

[09:28:23]

clever:

the symlinks can probly point to places outside of that set folder

[09:28:39]

clever:

my main myth box is the 1.6ghz upstairs

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clever:

not near me atm

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clever:

and this spare frontend takes 3mins just to load because of my ram

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BlackAura:

clever: yeah, symlinks to /mnt/media are working just fine. Just wanted to know if it recursed into other folders. Thanks for your help!

[09:29:39]

clever:

i mainly symlink right to the files

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clever:

#31‰Î—j(ƒAƒjƒ) BLEACH ‘æ92˜b uŽ€_¢ŠE‚Ö‚Ì“Ë“& uuml;AÄ‚Ñv (640x480 DivX611 120fps).avi

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clever:

(ƒAƒjƒ) BLEACH ‘æ101˜b uƒ}ƒ†ƒŠ™Â‰ð!!‘&ograv e;“nEˆ«–‚‚ÌŒƒ“Ë ;v (640x480 DivX610 120fps).avi

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clever:

oops

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clever:

[YHBT]_Bleach_73_[1978AAE1].avi

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clever:

[YHBT_Triumph]_Bleach_95_[5A648EE6].avi

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clever:

forgot -l:P

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clever:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 43 2007-02–07 08:01 [YHBT]_Bleach_73_[1978AAE1].avi -> ../alllinks/[YHBT]_Bleach_73_[1978AAE1].avi

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clever:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 51 2007-02–07 08:01 [YHBT_Triumph]_Bleach_95_[5A648EE6].avi -> ../alllinks/[YHBT_Triumph]_Bleach_95_[5A648EE6].avi

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clever:

thats in the folder called bleach

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clever:

the symlinks under alllinks point everywhere:P

[09:31:13]

clever:

another php script reads 1 line at a time and symlinks away

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clever:

also had to modify /etc/updatedb.conf to let it index nfs mounts so i could use it with remote pc's

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BlackAura:

haha, nice

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clever:

the symlinks under the bleach folder dont change often

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clever:

just new ones get added

[09:32:55]

clever:

they point to the master set under alllinks which then points to the real file

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clever:

also i can cd into the alllinux folder and run this

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clever:

mplayer -shuffle -fixed-vo -vf rotate=1 *

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clever:

plays EVERY avi file in the house

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clever:

randomly

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clever:

rotated 90 degrees so i can read the subs when lying down in bed with the laptop

[09:34:09]

clever:

and -fixed-vo makes shure stuff like fullscreen doesnt go away when the file changes

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onewheelskyward:

That's...uuh...great. :)

[09:37:23]

clever:

lol:P

[09:37:37]

clever:

more complex to punch in with a remote thru lirc and mythtv though:P

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null_:

Have I got that right? I can have my capture cards in one of the frontends (though that will become a combined fe/be then)? Then I need to run mythtv-setup both on the master backend and on the slave backend with the capture cards?

[09:52:37]

clever:

sounds right but i havent tryed it yet and dont have enough cards for it

[09:52:43]

clever:

cant hurt to try

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null_:

well I don't need any cards in the master backends, do I?

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null_:

s/backends/backend/

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clever:

dont think so

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clever:

the frontends can probly contact the be with a free card

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clever:

just guessing though

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clever:

they would probly also need to all share the same data dir

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justinh:

no backend *needs* capture cards full stop

[09:55:07]

justinh:

but if all you want to do is play media, I think mythtv isn't the best thing to use

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justinh:

geexbox / freevo / etc

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clever:

i have my systems setup to /var/lib/mythtv on the backend is nfs'ed to the same place on the fe

[09:55:38]

clever:

justinh: what if a secondary be had a card?

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justinh:

so what?

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clever:

would that work?

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justinh:

if you set it up right it will

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clever:

how does the fe know which be and tuner to use in a multi tuner setup?

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justinh:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Executive_Overview

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null_:

justinh: it's just that my cable provider only guarantees digital tv when the receiver is on a cable no longer than 5m... my server (master backend) would need about a 20m cable, so I need to have the capture cards in the frontend (then it's about 3 meters)...

[09:58:00]

justinh:

black magic & pixie dust

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justinh:

so it'd become a backend too

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justinh:

what's the fuss?

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Dagmar:

Use a *well-shielded* and *thick* piece of coax and it shouldn't be a problem

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justinh:

you could prolly even have a diskless slave frontend/backend machine

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stuarta:

happy snow morning to all

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null_:

If the frontend on the combined fe/be machine plays live-tv, will the data from the tuner get streamed to the master backend first?

[10:00:28]

hads:

clever: NFS sharing your recordings directory isn't nessecary.

[10:00:44]

clever:

how would the frontend get the files then?

[10:00:49]

clever:

to view them

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hads:

From the backend

[10:01:14]

clever:

thru the backends sockets?

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Dagmar:

The backend holding the file acts like a streaming server for the frontend

[10:01:57]

clever:

the problems i was having a while ago with my second frontend made me nfsmount the recordinds dir over and that didnt fix it

[10:02:04]

clever:

turns out it was a timezone missmatch

[10:02:17]

clever:

left the mount in place thinking it was also holding it together

[10:02:30]

clever:

i'll have to umount and try playing later:)

[10:02:40]

clever:

dont think ive finished rebuilding mythtv yet

[10:02:51]

clever:

i did a make uninstall&&svn update and have a make

[10:02:58]

clever:

half&

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Dagmar:

By the way, if you'd loooked at the Executive Overview thing on the wiki, the *picture* says that the frontend talks to the backend to get the content

[10:03:23]

clever:

yeah

[10:03:36]

clever:

but that talking could easily have been a nfs talk to the box:P

[10:03:57]

clever:

first time i saw that page but it has lots of info:)

[10:04:49]

Dagmar:

It could be burning them to DVD and shipping them FedEx by that measure

[10:04:57]

clever:

lol

[10:05:08]

clever:

i had thought of something like that:P

[10:05:09]

Dagmar:

"NFS" isn't mentioned in that illustration

[10:05:15]

Dagmar:

...for a reason

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clever:

stick a 80gig hdd on a model train

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clever:

setup a way to unplug/plug automaticaly

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Dagmar:

Not anywhere on that page, in fact.

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doc_:

hi there

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onewheelskyward:

HO Scale hot-plug?

[10:12:46]

justinh:

stuarta: morning

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clever:

onewheelskyward: what about usb

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clever:

usb hdd taped to the train car

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justinh:

if it keeps this up I might not be able to get home :(

[10:13:14]

justinh:

damn pussies

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clever:

then it only takes a few mins to move several 100 gig of data

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stuarta:

justinh: would you believe *both* my trains were on time!!!

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justinh:

hahaha

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clever:

sync+umount

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jduggan:

snow is getting lighter here in northampton

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clever:

drive off to the next pc

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clever:

mount

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hads:

clever -v none

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clever:

tons of data:P

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clever:

clever -v all

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clever:

:P

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justinh:

on the m56 this morning I was doing 80mph. then it started to snow very lightly. suddenly everyone slammed on the anchors & went down to 40mph

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stuarta:

eediots

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clever:

lol

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justinh:

pucking fussies

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stuarta:

goofy's in a movie on wednesday!

[10:16:33]

justinh:

nice, if you're a fan

[10:16:46]

stuarta:

duck tales on thur

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justinh:

awoooo-ooooo!

[10:18:01]

justinh:

looking into making a patch for mythvideo today in free moments. much harder than I thought

[10:18:35]

Dagmar:

A patch to do what?

[10:18:52]

justinh:

a patch to allow the gallery view to have a background element like the other screens do

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justinh:

you're gonna need that I bet Dagmar

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Dagmar:

Mainly I've been doing what the interface allows and saying to hell with what it won't do

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justinh:

I want it, as does mepo-wide

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stuarta:

justinh: that was a funny discussion you had with xris this morning :)

[10:20:40]

justinh:

really? it was too early for me to be knowingly funny

[10:22:26]

justinh:

hmmm patch or work? patch.. or work... must resist...

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stuarta:

justinh: more xris not knowing who was who ;)

[10:29:05]

Dagmar:

Pfft. Still no movement on accepting my ticket

[10:29:11]

Dagmar:

er accepting my patch

[10:29:38]

Dagmar:

Ah well, there's still time

[10:32:04]

justinh:

stuarta: I just remembered why – I posed the question & he suggested asking me about it

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stuarta:

yep :)

[10:32:30]

justinh:

yeah that was funny

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Dagmar:

lol

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** stuarta needs to hack his irssi theme some more... **

[10:38:24]

justinh:

anyway I think this is the code I need to stuff into videogallery.cpp somehow, along with the requisite changes to header files http://www.pastebin.ca/345232

[10:39:02]

Dagmar:

All I can really say about it without spending the next three hours looking up functions in a reference manual is "purty!"

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Dagmar:

I will ask this tho'...

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justinh:

aha! I should look in doxygen

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Dagmar:

Why are you copying bground to myBackground and then immediately passing it to setPaletteBackgroundPixmap?

[10:40:23]

justinh:

because umm... I'm just taking potshots in the dark?

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Dagmar:

Oh okay. heh

[10:40:39]

Dagmar:

I thought it might be a special scoping thing

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justinh:

and I can't find any other reference to what does stuff with the background theme element

[10:41:05]

Dagmar:

Heh

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justinh:

suck it & see, like all my other coding efforts

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Dagmar:

Most of the theme stuff seems to get handled in myththemedmenu.cpp

[10:46:54]

Dagmar:

Line 343 in there might be useful

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rsdvd:

justinh : how is the weather up there! It is horrid here

[10:47:47]

justinh:

rsdvd: light flurries, or what they'd call 'treacherous conditions' on the news

[10:49:33]

justinh:

which is the newer? mythui or libmythui?

[11:00:24]

justinh:

hmmm I could be wrong here but maybe mythvideo isn't using any of the new libs

[11:05:45]

stuarta:

possibly not

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Dagmar:

I don't think it's using them either, and afaik it's libmythui

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stuarta:

Chutt did mention something about that not having been updated last night

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justinh:

rsdvd: just looked in on home – front path is dry as a bone

[11:32:59]

Az_au:

hello.. i am having problems getting mythtv to recognise my AverTV DVB-T USB2 device.. any ideas?

[11:33:12]

Az_au:

linux recognises it just not mythtv

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** stuarta rejoices for the EPG monkeys have gained a clue! **

[11:36:22]

Az_au:

no ideas huh?

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stuarta:

okay, does it work in kaffeine?

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Az_au:

i haven't tried anything else with it... i'll look into it

[11:37:05]

Az_au:

i know the device itself works..

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Az_au:

under xp that is

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stuarta:

fairly normal

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stuarta:

then you need to check dmesg to see that the drivers loaded correctly

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Az_au:

yea everything looks good there

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stuarta:

then test with something outside of myth

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Az_au:

i won't do a cut and paste here but there's no errors in dmesg etc.

[11:38:14]

Az_au:

ok i hear ppl use mplayer.. is this a good option?

[11:38:50]

Az_au:

yea that exists

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stuarta:

what have you tried so far with myth?

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Az_au:

well i'm fairly new to the whole mythtv thing.. iv'e loaded up mythtv-setup

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Az_au:

and it's not listed under cards

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Az_au:

maybe i stuffed up the mythtv install?

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stuarta:

set the card type to dvb?

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Az_au:

option isn't there... i compiled myth from source.. maybe something i didn't include at compile time?

[11:41:43]

Az_au:

i'll go check that.. thanks for th ehelp

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stuarta:

sounds like you've missed giving it the dvb headers

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Az_au:

bugger.. takes a while to compile :)

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Dagmar:

bleh. Can't find where it's reading qtlook.txt

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stuarta:

Az_au: you should install ccache

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stuarta:

if you plan on recompiling it often

[11:45:18]

Az_au:

hehe yea i'll look into it thanks... wasn't really planning on recompiling a lot tho ;)

[11:45:23]

Az_au:

might turn out that way tho

[11:45:34]

justinh:

Dagmar: qtlook.txt only gets read when mythfrontend starts

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justinh:

unlike theme.xml & co

[11:47:07]

Dagmar:

justinh: Let me guess... there's no way to set the font in it, is there?

[11:47:33]

Dagmar:

I was hoping to find where it's parsed to see if it's maybe got that as an attribute or if I could add it as a workaround

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qu0zl:

anybody got experience using iSCSI with Linux? I'm thinking of going that route to offload the hard-drives into a cupboard

[11:47:48]

Dagmar:

qu0zl: It's painful

[11:47:56]

qu0zl:

paiful to setup, or painful to use once setup?

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justinh:

Dagmar: oh god don't even go there

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qu0zl:

i don't mind painful setups as long as it's good in the end?

[11:48:16]

Dagmar:

justinh: Well, I don't much care for Arial getting all in my face

[11:48:46]

Dagmar:

qu0zl: Painful to set up, slightly painful to use, and not entirely worth it unless you have GigE, IMHO

[11:49:01]

qu0zl:

shite, thanks for the info Dagmar

[11:49:30]

qu0zl:

i'm thinking of putting my HD's in a cupboard somewhere , where I won't have my tv feed, so I'd have the tuners elsewhere recording over the network and playing back at the same time

[11:49:44]

qu0zl:

so want to do it right to make sure i don't get constant pauses

[11:49:45]

Dagmar:

You *can* always just set up NFS and CIFS

[11:49:53]

Dagmar:

You don't *have* to use iSCSI

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qu0zl:

that's better than iSCSI?

[11:50:13]

Dagmar:

Samba should be able to easily congest a 100base-T segment if you have a decent processor

[11:50:25]

qu0zl:

grand, those are easily setup anyway. I'll try them first

[11:50:42]

Dagmar:

Probably a good idea

[11:50:55]

qu0zl:

i'llbe doing it over powerline ethernet

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qu0zl:

so i'm expecting it to be a pain to get reliable :)

[11:51:14]

qu0zl:

shouldbe fun though

[11:51:22]

Dagmar:

Hahah

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Dagmar:

I would not suggest iSCSI for that

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Dagmar:

You're using the network to emulate the SCSI bus cable...

[11:52:06]

Dagmar:

These don't typically react well (termination issues aside) to being yanked out every so often

[11:52:19]

qu0zl:

so iSCSI would make things worse, not better. That's what i wanted to know :)

[11:52:29]

qu0zl:

hard to believe that NFS is still the way to go

[11:52:39]

qu0zl:

or sambs

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Dagmar:

It's way easier

[11:52:56]

Dagmar:

You can have CIFS going literally before you could *find* the iSCSI HOWTO

[11:53:27]

qu0zl:

i've set nfs and cifs up before, easy enough alright, i just (foolishly) hoped iSCSI would be worth the effort

[11:53:28]

qu0zl:

ahh well

[11:53:36]

stuarta:

agreed, iSCSI is for very specific circumstances

[11:54:15]

justinh:

Dagmar: I'd be a much happier themer if qtlook.txt didn't even exist

[11:54:20]

stuarta:

ie. clustered filesystems

[11:54:25]

justinh:

it's a pain in the arse

[11:54:58]

justinh:

Dagmar: might well be time to look into font inheritance

[11:55:18]

Dagmar:

justinh: I understand that it's being migrated away *from* in favor of libmythui, but in the meantime, it makes for hideous modal dialogs

[11:55:20]

stuarta:

mythtv is easy compared to clustered filesystems

[11:55:42]

** stuarta demands more snow! **

[11:55:52]

Dagmar:

justinh: *What* is it inheriting from there, tho? I have LCARS as the global font in theme.xml

[11:56:49]

Dagmar:

Basically, those dialogs that appear in the middle of the screen don't inhereit values from anywhere

[11:57:01]

Dagmar:

...not that I've been able to find anywya

[11:58:05]

Dagmar:

Lack of documentation *sucks festering donkey cock*

[11:58:11]

justinh:

Dagmar: ah that might be qtlook.txt then

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** stuarta chuckles **

[11:58:39]

Dagmar:

This is so much more painful to dig through than it could be

[11:59:02]

justinh:

folks using the wrong qt theme can lead to emails complaining that text isn't visible, even when you define the right ones in qtlook.txt

[11:59:11]

Dagmar:

Just like, a comment per top level block would be so much more helpful

[11:59:44]

justinh:

I'd push for every ui element to be themeable

[11:59:54]

justinh:

rather than the pretty nasty qt widgets

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Dagmar:

<petulant>It should use librsvg!</petulant>

[12:00:10]

justinh:

popups & so on

[12:00:18]

justinh:

blech

[12:00:35]

Dagmar:

Then the whole thing could be XML-driven and there'd be no more bullshit

[12:01:20]

justinh:

I dunno what exactly the 'grand plan' entails but there's eventually going to be a whole raft of changes – which will at the very least involve rewriting several themes

[12:01:45]

justinh:

I'll welcome splitting ui.xml up into smaller chunks, for sure

[12:02:16]

stuarta:

there's only one person who really knows the grand scheme of things.

[12:02:30]

justinh:

the idea will be to theme common elements like list boxes, selectors etc

[12:03:06]

Dagmar:

I could deal with that

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justinh:

it's pretty inane right now when there are 6 or so different select boxes in ui.xml alone

[12:03:51]

Dagmar:

Yep

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Dagmar:

I suspect there needs to be more dependence on the XML itself

[12:04:10]

justinh:

each totally configurable but most theme designers make them all the same anyway

[12:04:25]

Dagmar:

Well, mores the point, they define all their fonts six damn times

[12:04:33]

justinh:

hahaha

[12:04:50]

Dagmar:

I suspect that there's probably a reason they're not just using one block for defining symbolic font names.

[12:04:58]

stuarta:

justinh: you are probably in a decent position to give feedback to *the man*

[12:05:04]

Dagmar:

Life would be MUCH easier if you could just set that in theme.xml

[12:05:06]

stuarta:

about what would help theming.

[12:05:08]

justinh:

easy life syndrome I suspect

[12:05:56]

Dagmar:

Well, from the standpoint of accessing that information from within the code, it would be easier if you could simply start at the top pointer, jump to the font entity, and then search a short list for a name to get the struct containing the attributes to pass down

[12:06:07]

justinh:

making more commonality in the code will open lots of doors – not just for theme designers

[12:06:51]

Dagmar:

Plus it would maybe clear up the virtual noise that is big/small fonts

[12:07:11]

justinh:

we only really need 4 font sizes at most

[12:07:34]

Dagmar:

Well, I'd say six

[12:07:45]

Dagmar:

...but beyond three it should probably just be abstracted in some way

[12:08:48]

Dagmar:

Let people define as many font styles as they want, if their theme comes out looking like a ransom note, it's their problem.

[12:09:10]

Dagmar:

...but between the OSD, the Program Guide, and the main menu, four font sizes falls a bit short

[12:10:22]

Dagmar:

OKay, that is just basically going to let people break themes

[12:10:30]

justinh:

change that size, change all the fonts & all changes proportionately

[12:10:42]

Dagmar:

Yes, which is going to shatter carefully placed theme elements.

[12:11:00]

justinh:

carefully placed theme elements.. have you seen most of them? ;)

[12:11:33]

Dagmar:

So long as the DPI on the display is effectively locked at 100, fonts in a theme are probably going to be put into play with the expectation that the text is _going_ to come out within a pixel or two of the expected size

[12:11:50]

Dagmar:

justinh: I know of one that fscks up pretty well if you bump the fonts larger. ;)

[12:12:05]

justinh:

heh

[12:12:11]

Dagmar:

Mine.

[12:12:17]

justinh:

prolly mine too

[12:12:28]

justinh:

definitely mepo-wide aswell

[12:13:08]

justinh:

but if a user messed up his DPI setting he could end up with the screen full of the 1st character of a show title ;)

[12:13:33]

justinh:

so that's gonna happen anyway IMHO

[12:14:34]

Dagmar:

Well, a user shouldn't be screwing with his DPI

[12:14:50]

** justinh laughs **

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Dagmar:

It would be *nice* for that to matter, but not only would it break themes, it would break things for people using TVs

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justinh:

users shouldn't screw with many things

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Dagmar:

Even if the DPI setting has to be correct, since the number of scan lines on most broadcasts is going to be a very small, fixed number of possibles, that kinda dictates what resolutions are reasonable

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Dagmar:

Hmm... I expressed that poorly. I'm going to smoke a cigarette and try again

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r1ddler:

hey all.. is anyone having issues with datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com resolution?

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justinh:

anyway if a theme allows the <small> <big> attribs & a user stupidly sets the 'big' font to 100pt they're gonna come a cropper

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Dagmar:

BTW, if DPI isn't 100, themes that are "pushing it" with respect to text siz go straight to hell... like http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/lcarsgamma.png

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Dagmar:

...especally since the themer is resizing everything to bloody 800x600 spec

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justinh:

let those users burn, I say

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Dagmar:

"INFORMATION CENTER" is really close to losing some letters there

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justinh:

actually it's about the one thing ubuntu gets right.. default DPI is 100 :)

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Dagmar:

I had to blow away the leftmost padding to make it _not_ lose letters

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justinh:

be much easier to just take it -wide

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justinh:

time for another plodge in the plugins source

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Beirdo:

just curious, why is 100DPI "right"?

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stuarta:

nothing else works?

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Beirdo:

I never understood that in the first place

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justinh:

because it's one of the commandments?

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Beirdo:

if things were designed at other DPI, it would work just as well

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justinh:

maybe it just makes the sums easier

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Beirdo:

so why was 100DPI chosen rather than X's default of 72?

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Beirdo:

ahh, that could be

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justinh:

might affect the image scaling time, I dunno

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Beirdo:

I guess, division by 100 is a lot simpler for sure

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justinh:

starting to look like if mythvideo used libmythui I could just define the background element in the xml file & it'd work

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Dagmar:

Yep

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Dagmar:

Well, the division time isn't really likely to matter much afaik

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justinh:

oh I dunno..

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justinh:

it can take a good few minutes on some of my boxes

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Dagmar:

My guess is that it was the size of someones monitor when they started

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Dagmar:

It's also only going to affect the fonts, not the rescaled graphical elements

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justinh:

oh ey

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Beirdo:

and my laptop with a "default" ubuntu setup... 75x75 dpi. ah well ;)

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qu0zl:

division time for 100 won't be quicker than for 72 anyway surely, neithers a power of 2

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Beirdo:

not that I'd try to run a frontend on here anyways

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qu0zl:

though justinh's probably right, for easier mental arithmetic ;)

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Dagmar:

Either way, having the DPI fixed means that font glyphs are going to take up the same percentage of the screen whether or not the resolution is 800x600 or 1024x768 on the output side of things

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Dagmar:

I wish I had a good explanation as to why all the nVidia cards seem to give a better output to s-video when they're doing 1024x768 instead of 800x600, but I don't

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Dagmar:

I finally figured out my color bleeding problem tho

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justinh:

I'm now more confused than when I started this

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Dagmar:

My TV had the color settings way up

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Beirdo:

I wish I knew where the screw for this laptop drive went

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Dagmar:

...and I don't mean bleeding like when you have an overdriven signal, I mean color bleeding like a bruise when like, the elbo on LCARS stayed on my screen for more than about a minute

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Dagmar:

It starts looking like there's an unshielded speaker too close to the tube

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Beirdo:

eek

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Dagmar:

So like, this weekend I'm going to look up the colors on the actual color reference chart used for TV alignment and maybe put together some calibration screens for use with MythGallery

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Dagmar:

So I can chuck 'em in there, have the thing display 'em fullscreen, and then calibrate the damn display so what's expected of overscan actually happens

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null_:

Quick question: Does mythmusic support the ipod?

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Dagmar:

null_: Why would it?

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Dagmar:

Overscan, in addition to color

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null_:

Dagmar: well, it was just an idea, you could plug in your ipod and listen music from there in mythmusic

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Dagmar:

I know people are fond of setting color and tint to "personal taste", but it should really be people's goal to go for reference values and then tweak from there

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Dagmar:

null_: Provided the iPod follows USB removable storage guidelines (don't know if it does or not) it would only be a matter of having MythMusic look in the directory where they should appear... BUT....

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Dagmar:

The thing is geared to rescan music repos at specific times

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quicksil1er:

the iPod can be mounted as a removable disk, if you have the right filesystem module

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quicksil1er:

but it's better just to rsync your iTunes directory

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Dagmar:

...which are not the "iPod plugged in" "iPod unplugged" times

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FairWtns:

Hey people. Anyone know a quick way I can discover the IPs on my network? I know it's not myth-related, but you guys always know the fastest/easiest linux tricks.

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quicksil1er:

rsync the iTunes directory on your main iTunes machine (Mac/PC presumably) with your myth boxes music directrly

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fryfrog:

poor mythmusic just needs a total rewrite :)

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fryfrog:

FairWtns: nmap

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quicksil1er:

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