Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, February 7th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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cesman:

what was suggested will work

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sn9:

ok, thanx for the info

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|Torg|:

and work better then what you would call streaming

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sn9:

does a frontend need to be running during recording?

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|Torg|:

nope

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cesman:

no

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sn9:

good

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hardnova:

what free to air digital cards are most compatible with ivtv ?

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|Torg|:

all of them?

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cesman:

free to air as in DVB?

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|Torg|:

FTA has nothing to do with the card other then its the source

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|Torg|:

it generally means the signal isnt encrypted

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hardnova:

cesman i dont know i guess its broadcased digital

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|Torg|:

what signal do you want to capture?

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kormoc:

hardnova, uhh, no ivtv cards are DVB, if that's what you mean

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hardnova:

HVR1100MCE ?

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kormoc:

not supported

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hardnova:

HVR1300MCE ?

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kormoc:

not supported

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cesman:

hardnova: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/FAQ#What_cards_are_supported.3F

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kormoc:

cesman, I was getting to that link :P

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cesman:

:)

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** cesman ponders how many people read the last part of the channel's topic ;) **

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** |Torg| wonders how many people bother to read anything **

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cesman:

lol

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kormoc:

|Torg|, around one percent I'd say

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|Torg|:

were it not for the fact irc is text based id swaer 90% of the users are illiterate

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cesman:

LOL

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kormoc:

|Torg|, given irc is text based, I swear 90% of the users are illiterate :P

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cesman:

that would make a great MOD

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|Torg|:

I also wonder how many come her first, ignore google, ignore the wiki, ignore the readme, ignore the docs, and ask their question

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|Torg|:

and I sort of wonder how they found out about irc, and this channel without going though some sort of docs

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Tuxguy:

Can anyone recommend an ir reciever that works with linux?

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heanol:

not ati remote wonder

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onewheelskyward:

The IR receiver on my PVR-350 works.

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Tuxguy:

My card doesnt come with one, i was thinking of purchasing one

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|Torg|:

takes about $5 worth of parts to make one

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|Torg|:

if yuor lazy, they go for $12.50

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Tuxguy:

Oh, I don't have a serial port :(

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Tuxguy:

Can I use USB?

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Tuxguy:

ty

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hardnova:

where is the circuit diagram ?

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|Torg|:

do you know how to use google?

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|Torg|:

http://www.ocinside.de/assets/usb_infrarot_em . . . iver_big.gif

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onewheelskyward:

Tuxguy: I don't have a serial port either, but I had a header on my motherboard. I'm making use of that.

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Tuxguy:

o/

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hardnova:

nice !

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heanol:

hrm

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heanol:

i seem to have lirc set up correctly, i can get the correct keys when running mode2, etc

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heanol:

and i have a lircrc..

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heanol:

hm

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heanol:

that also maps correctly

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heanol:

but nothing happens in mythtv when i press buttons on it

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heanol:

anyone have any idea why

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heanol:

?

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|Torg|:

irw tells you what?

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heanol:

what is irw?

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heanol:

it just says connection denied

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|Torg|:

and your thinking lirc is working?

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|Torg|:

did you run lircd?

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heanol:

i am running lircd yes

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|Torg|:

is it running?

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heanol:

haha, what the.. it isnt, i swear it was running 5 minutes ago! :)

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Tuxguy:

heanol, You have ati wonder?

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** cesman has a remote wonder **

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cesman:

works great!

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Tuxguy:

They said that there is a free one, but they want you to pay shipping

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|Torg|:

a free what?

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DreadPir1teBob:

cesman: where did you get your lirc config file?

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DreadPir1teBob:

I haven't set that up yet for my ATI Remote Wonder

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|Torg|:

irrecord

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cesman:

DreadPir1teBob: I use the kernel module

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cesman:

I like it better

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|Torg|:

he is asking for the config file

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DreadPir1teBob:

cesman: yes, I have the kernel module, but it still goes through lircd doesn't it?

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cesman:

no, it doesn't

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Tuxguy:

|Torg|, ATI TV Wonder comes with an offer for a free remote

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DreadPir1teBob:

cesman: ok, but without any configuration, all I get is mouse cursor movement, numbers, arrows and a few other key presses. Doesn't work well for controlling Myth

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cesman:

DreadPir1teBob: I'm sure you'll get hits if you google ati remote lircd.conf

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cesman:

DreadPir1teBob: works great here

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cesman:

my guess is that the default module isn't configured for MythTV

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cesman:

so, you have to compile the module w/ your options

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DreadPir1teBob:

cesman: are you using the RWP or the old RW?

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cesman:

what is that?

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DreadPir1teBob:

Remote Wonder Plus or the Remote Wonder?

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DreadPir1teBob:

I have the one depicted here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI_Remote_Wonder

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cesman:

RW

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DreadPir1teBob:

Ok

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** cesman thought it was RW 2 not RWP... **

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CyfrMonk:

got a new mythtv setup – can watch tv fine, but when I record the recording never show up under 'watch recordings' on the backend/frontend – but they do on another frontend?

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cesman:

is the IP of the backend in both places in mythtv-setup?

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CyfrMonk:

Yes

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CyfrMonk:

both systems are ubunut 6.10 and both systems use same user info to access mysql

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CyfrMonk:

new to mythtv, but I've been a programmer on linux for 10+ years – and I'm confused

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cesman:

CyfrMonk: cannot say I've see that issue

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cesman:

that would have been my first guess

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cesman:

I'd say check your backend log

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cesman:

and frontend as well

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CyfrMonk:

intermittentently I see the backend segfault – maybe 5 times since I started this project two weeks ago

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CyfrMonk:

fortunately, I got through the game sunday night without a hitch

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cesman:

:)

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cesman:

too bad we cannot say that for the Bears...

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CyfrMonk:

and on the way home from work (took me 4 hours) I pass a buss of bears fans stranded

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cesman:

no parade?

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CyfrMonk:

and the BEARS fans where having a tailgate party with colts fans

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|Torg|:

CyfrMonk run mythfrontend in a console window with -v all or -v all, nodatabse it will tel you why one works and other does not

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CyfrMonk:

not making it up!

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cesman:

while I not a sports fan, as I lived in Chicago it would have been nice t oseem them win

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|Torg|:

I woudl guess your settings are incorrect in teh database

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|Torg|:

they are set up hostname, so you should have two sets

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|Torg|:

if it segfaults unlimit the box and get a coredump

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|Torg|:

then run the coredump though the debugger and get a backtrace

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|Torg|:

it can help you locate the cause of the issue and form there you can determine what is wrong

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heanol:

this is really weird

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heanol:

i have lircd and everything set up

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|Torg|:

segfaults can also be hardwre realted, so check the memory with a memer stress program

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heanol:

but when i start mythtv i see this in the syslog: Feb 7 02:04:34 prosser lircd-0.8.0[4625]: couldn't claim USB interface: Device or resource busy

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heanol:

and lircd then dies

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heanol:

any ideas?

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|Torg|:

somethjing else is using it

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hardnova:

just of interest again what distro's are people using for myth ?

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waldo:

hardnova: ubuntu 6.10

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|Torg|:

debian

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cesman:

KnoppMyth

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CyfrMonk:

|Torg|: okay – think i found it – the frontend sitting on the backend had 'localhost' in the setup screen for the db ... test – thanks guys

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|Torg|:

yes localhost and 127.0.01 is the bane of most new users to myth

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|Torg|:

myth connects to the database via a file called mysql.txt (usuauly in ~/.mythtv/). From there it connects and loads its settings via the settings table

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|Torg|:

the "default" for mysql.txt is set to localhost

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|Torg|:

also you need to make your mysql talk on the network and give user rights to remote systems in mysql

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Ediehow2:

hi

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cesman:

hello

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hardnova:

mediawiki is very nice cms

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Bakefy:

I like joomla

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Bakefy:

I have not used mediawiki though

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Ediehow:

joomla is awesome

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hardnova:

i have a few things on plone

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Ediehow:

anyone have problems with volune control in myth not working?

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Bakefy:

How can I remove my mythtv user? I want to try and install mythtv from the begining.

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|Torg|:

userdel

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Bakefy:

it said unable to lock password file?

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heanol:

whats the easiest way to interrupt a mythtv recording?

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DreadPir1teBob:

heanol: pull the plug

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|Torg|:

kill mythbackend

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heanol:

haha

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Bakefy:

it said unable to lock password file?thanks

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heanol:

there should be something in the interface for it :/

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DreadPir1teBob:

Bakefy: have to run that as root

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|Torg|:

vi /etc/passwd, vi /etc/group, rm -rf /home/mythtv

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Bakefy:

thanks

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DreadPir1teBob:

but removing the mythtv user isn't necessary.

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DreadPir1teBob:

You do have to remove the mysql database though.

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|Torg|:

he asked how to remove the user, not how to do a complete uninstall

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|Torg|:

and removing the user is necessary, unless you want orphaned files on your system

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DreadPir1teBob:

He's doing a complete reinstall, not an uninstall.

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DreadPir1teBob:

removing the user will not prevent orphaned files

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|Torg|:

<Bakefy> How can I remove my mythtv user? I want to try and install mythtv from the begining.

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|Torg|:

note the ? and what the question was

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hardnova:

is there some way to go region free with a dvd player in linux ?

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|Torg|:

hardnova not legally

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|Torg|:

im sorry not legally for a US citizen

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Ediehow:

;)

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Ediehow:

that is so cool they have skype for mobile now

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sn9:

hardnova: otherwise, vlc

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hardnova:

oh i dont mind if its not legal lol , i just want to watch the invader zim DVD's i got from canada

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sn9:

hardnova: in what country

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sn9:

?

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|Torg|:

we cant answer questions like that here, google will help you thogh

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sn9:

you don't need region-free in the us

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hardnova:

lol

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hardnova:

fair enough

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sn9:

us/canada is the same

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|Torg|:

dont tell a canadain that :P

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hardnova:

im in that place down under where not all things are released on dvd so that kinda sucks

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sn9:

vlc should do it for ya, then

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Bakefy:

okay... I am going to attempt to install mythtv wish me luck

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fooker:

Does anyone know, does myth do some sort of checking for a cutlist before issuing the transcode command? I've set it up so that mythcommflag runs the --gencutlist option as well, and the cutlist is created, but mythtranscode doesn't use it when run automatically, but does use it if it's run later on from the recordings menu

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Ediehow:

heeeeelp

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Ediehow:

volume control no longer works in myth

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Ediehow:

changing up/down and mute

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Ediehow:

what to do?

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jduggan:

make sure its controlling the right mixer

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Kablooie:

Hi all. I think I'm VERY close to having Myth work, but I've got problems scanning transponders.

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Kablooie:

I've setup sasc-ng for B*v and am trying to enter my first transcocder in mythtv-setup. I'm using a frequency from lyngsat.com/nimiq1.html. And my Twinhan isn't finding anything.

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Kablooie:

Does anyone have suggestions?

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|Torg|:

yes dont talk about it here

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GreyFoxx:

You wont get any help with anything sasc related here

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Kablooie:

ok

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Kablooie:

gotcha, sorry.

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Bakefy:

CRAP! when I type mythtv-setup it bashes my command

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fooker:

GreyFoxx: Whats sasc?

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Ediehow:

jduggan: it is:(

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|Torg|:

illegal software used to genrate keys for decrytping des encrypted transmisiosn, usualy and most notably that of nagra satletie proviers

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Ediehow:

jduggan: i have ALSA:default as output

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Ediehow:

i am not sure what i need to do to get myth to be able to control volume again

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fooker:

|Torg|: Ah, thanks :)

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Ediehow:

i don'tknow if it's related to alsa with 2.6.19 replacing "PCM" with "Wave" or what

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|Torg|:

even if I cant type it worth a damn :)

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fooker:

I remember hearing the acronym before, but I didn't think it was related *at all* to what I was thinking of :P

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|Torg|:

also the Sydney Anglican Schools Corp, Sexual Assult Support Centre, and Senate Armed Services Committe according to Google :P

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|Torg|:

so what were you thinking of :)

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fooker:

Sexual Assault Support Center is what I know it as, and I can't think of a reason someone would want to transcode to *that*

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fooker:

I'm a fan of mythtv again :) Its working properly now

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fooker:

Now if only I could get at my music....

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daviey:

Juski, are you here?

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fooker:

daviey: What? I'm not *sob* good *sob* enough *sob*?

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daviey:

fooker, naa

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fooker:

Bastard.

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daviey:

you fooker

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fooker:

Fooking eh.

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fooker:

Someone needs to implement batch processing in mythtv. Or just "Run userjob X on all recordings"

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Captain_Murdoch:

fooker: you can tag all recordings and then run a user job on them from the watch recordings screen.

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Captain_Murdoch:

go to "All Programs", make sure you're focused on the left-hand side of the screen, and hit "/" to tag all recordings under "All Programs". then hit MENU to bring up the menu, go to Playlist Options, then you'll see how to run jobs on the 'playlist' you created by tagging the recordings.

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fooker:

Captain_Murdoch: I love you.

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fooker:

Captain_Murdoch: Can I give your computer a blowjob? :P

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Captain_Murdoch:

doubt it.

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Ediehow:

Captain_Murdoch is my here-oh

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Ediehow:

can you help me with volume control in myth?

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Captain_Murdoch:

[21:45:26] <Captain_Murdoch> doubt it. :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

not sure, ask and I'll see.

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fooker:

He's a one whore man, and tonight, I'm his whore, so back off :P

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Ediehow:

well

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Ediehow:

changing volume does nothing

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Ediehow:

i am using ALSA:default for output

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Ediehow:

drat

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Ediehow:

running mythtv for console

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Ediehow:

i get no output changing the volume

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Ediehow:

so i can't see any errors

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kashikoi:

got sshd on it?

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Ediehow:

on my machine?

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kashikoi:

on the frontend box

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Ediehow:

backend/frontend is same box, generally

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kashikoi:

is sshd on it?

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Ediehow:

yup, but i can't give access as it's behind a ton of firewalls

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Milosch:

um

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Ediehow:

but i can implement any advice myself;)

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kashikoi:

i mean you ssh into it from a second box

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Ediehow:

yes, but i'm on it now

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kashikoi:

then start the frontend in the ssh window

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kashikoi:

stdout goes to the 2nd pc

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kashikoi:

graphics take over the frontend moniter

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Ediehow:

kashikoi: i just typed mythtv from console

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Ediehow:

i get output

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Ediehow:

but it gives no extra output when i attempt to change volume

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kashikoi:

add -v all

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Ediehow:

ok

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kashikoi:

and check that it isnt muted

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kashikoi:

alsamixer is a text mode volume control for alsa

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Ediehow:

i get sound, i just can't control it IN mythtv

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kashikoi:

ahh

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kashikoi:

whats the mixer set to>

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Ediehow:

i think it may be related to 2.6.19 alsa drivers changing PCM to "Wave"

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kashikoi:

lol

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Milosch:

Ediehow: wow, still with that one?

[02:56:36]

Ediehow:

Milosch: i have no idea what to do

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kashikoi:

you can set mythtv to just addjust the volume internaly

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kashikoi:

before it sends the audio to alsa

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Ediehow:

i tried:(

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Milosch:

Ediehow: are you able to run alsamixer?

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Ediehow:

yes

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kashikoi:

i had too much trouble setting the 2nd alsa card for use but i found out /dev/dsp1 was the 2nd card

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kashikoi:

so i went thru oss emulation

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Milosch:

Ediehow: and do you have only /dev/mixer or do you have others

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Ediehow:

http://pastebin.ca/343531

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Ediehow:

result of running amixer

[03:00:00]

Milosch:

anyway, you have PCM and Wave, but i was asking if you only had the one /dev/mixer

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Ediehow:

midi mixer mixer1 mixer2

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Ediehow:

Milosch: no, look again, I have PCM blah

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Ediehow:

not just PCM

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Milosch:

line 35

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Milosch:

but that's probably not the issue

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Milosch:

imo

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Milosch:

have you looked at the settings? – select * from settings where value like '%mixer%';

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Ediehow:

i see what you mean, milosch

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Ediehow:

but it

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Ediehow:

s not on alsamixer

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Ediehow:

about PCM

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ServerSage:

If I manually update the capturecard table, will it break any other tables?

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Milosch:

ServerSage: there are numbers which are used in other tables, so it depends on what you change

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|Torg|:

Simple mixer control 'PCM',0

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Ediehow:

yeah, it's not available in alsa mixer or gnome mixer

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Ediehow:

gnome alsa mixer

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ServerSage:

Milosch: I have 3 cards listed, I want to delete 2 of them because the systems they refer to are no longer running.

[03:04:28]

Milosch:

Ediehow: what about alsamixer -D /dev/mixer1 etc...

[03:04:49]

Milosch:

Ediehow: also check the sql, maybe you have multiple entries for one host for some reason

[03:05:17]

kashikoi:

Milosch -D is for a alsa device name and /dev/mixer1 is an oss name

[03:05:19]

Milosch:

ServerSage: probably best to do that in mythv-setup

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kashikoi:

errors out

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Ediehow:

alsamixer -D /dev/mixer1

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Ediehow:

ALSA lib control.c:910:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL /dev/mixer1

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Ediehow:

alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for /dev/mixer1: No such file or directory

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kashikoi:

see:P

[03:05:30]

Ediehow:

one of those is for the USB Mic

[03:05:36]

Ediehow:

i get the same result for mixer2

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Ediehow:

well, for all of them, with -D

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kashikoi:

there not compatible

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Ediehow:

i know -c 1, 2, 3 work

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Ediehow:

yeah, it's OSS

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Milosch:

ok, then -c 1

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Ediehow:

-c 1 is the wrong soundcard

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Ediehow:

-c 0 is it

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Ediehow:

-c 1 is internal soundcard

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Milosch:

whatever, can you check the sql

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Ediehow:

what do i look for, sir?

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ServerSage:

Milosch: The problem is, they are not listed in mythtv-setup.

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ServerSage:

Milosch: Do I have to just delete all capture cards?

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Milosch:

you might have to stare at it a bit, but note the hostname and MixerDevice and MixerControl

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Milosch:

ServerSage: sadly, weird things can happen otherwise

[03:08:25]

ServerSage:

Milosch: Alrighty. Nothing is every easy. :)

[03:08:30]

Milosch:

ServerSage: also, the entries might be there but have no text?

[03:08:46]

Milosch:

i wonder if in setup you can select lines below what DOES show up

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Milosch:

and try to delete

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ServerSage:

Milosch: Nope, they really aren't there. Nothing below my real card.

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ServerSage:

Milosch: Good thinking though.

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Milosch:

ok, maybe input mappings then

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Milosch:

er, connections

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Ediehow:

ok, this is bizarre

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Milosch:

?

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Ediehow:

if i use gnome volume control and OSS mixer for my audigy, i only get PCM-2

[03:11:42]

Ediehow:

but changing PCM-2 there makes it go up and down

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Milosch:

Ediehow: fwiw, when i have my mixer set to Master, Front is what is changed in myth

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Milosch:

Ediehow: any results on that sql?

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Ediehow:

this is nuts, i just told myth to use /dev/mixer and PCM-2 and changing volume in it does nothing

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Ediehow:

in addition

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Ediehow:

gnome volume properties for OSS mixer for the card, changing pcm-2 up and down changes the volume

[03:14:29]

Ediehow:

ok

[03:14:32]

Ediehow:

looking at mythconverg

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Ediehow:

what am i looking for? what table?

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Milosch:

anyway, i was thinking of aumix -d /dev/mixer1 ...

[03:15:12]

Milosch:

select * from settings where value like '%mixer%';

[03:15:28]

Milosch:

note the hostname and MixerDevice and MixerControl

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Milosch:

just curious to verify that there aren't any duplicate entries per host

[03:15:50]

Milosch:

shouldn't happen, right?

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Ediehow:

http://pastebin.ca/343552

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Milosch:

can you not set MixerControl to Master?

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Ediehow:

i can, but that doesn't work either

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Ediehow:

:(

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Milosch:

is localhost.localdomain used?

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Ediehow:

i am not usre, i think that's what it was before i set it up to allow remote frontend

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Milosch:

ok, those are per each host running the frontend

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Ediehow:

ok, i am setting it to mixer controls:master and mixer device: /dev/mixer

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Milosch:

Master

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Ediehow:

changing volume on livetv does nothing:(

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Milosch:

not sure if case matters but unless you know for sure...

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Ediehow:

Milosch: it's Master

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Ediehow:

i just hit left till it rotated

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Milosch:

ok, from the RightPlace(tm) to change settings? ;)

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Milosch:

and is your speaker setup actually connected to the correct jack?

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Ediehow:

http://pastebin.ca/343557

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Ediehow:

Milosch: yes, all other sound works

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Ediehow:

if i use my gnome volume control, i can change the output that myth is playing at

[03:21:11]

Milosch:

i.e. not the rear speaker out or something

[03:21:12]

Ediehow:

i just can't change it THROUGH myth

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Ediehow:

nor can i mute it

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Milosch:

and you're using the keyboard?

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Ediehow:

yup

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Ediehow:

i have a STB

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Milosch:

and do you see it changing via an OSD?

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Ediehow:

super video input for video, and the other two jacks go to pvr150mce

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Ediehow:

yes sir

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Milosch:

there's one crazy setting for PVR-350 audio

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Ediehow:

i mean, all of this used to work

[03:24:05]

Ediehow:

for a while i thought it was upgrade of myth rpms that happened

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Ediehow:

then maybe 2.6.19's alsa

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Ediehow:

but i have no idea:(

[03:24:29]

Milosch:

anyway, that setting could break the mixer for you, i would guess

[03:24:44]

Ediehow:

aumix -v 90

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Milosch:

PVR350InternalAudioOnly ( in the settings table)

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Ediehow:

that is changing the volume in mythtv

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Ediehow:

aumix -v 50 -d /dev/mixer

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Ediehow:

as well as that

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Milosch:

PVR350InternalAudioOnly ( in the settings table)

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Ediehow:

aumix -w 10 -d /dev/mixer

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Ediehow:

but that does nothing

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Milosch:

herro

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Ediehow:

but

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Ediehow:

aumix -W 10 -d /dev/mixer

[03:25:54]

Ediehow:

that does

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Milosch:

trying to see where the problem could be, if you want help that is

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Ediehow:

it's definitely PCM-2 that is the controlling variable

[03:26:40]

Ediehow:

you want me to change that setting?

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Ediehow:

isn't there some script that will fix your myth table?

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Milosch:

it's not changed if the volume is set to Master for live tv

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Milosch:

Front or some other master out would be

[03:27:14]

Ediehow:

Milosch: how do you mean?

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Milosch:

i wanted to see what the setting was currently

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Ediehow:

PVR350InternalAudioOnly 0 home

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Ediehow:

0 for all 3 hosts

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Milosch:

ok, i'll stop bothering you about that one

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Ediehow:

so aumix -v ## changes it

[03:28:42]

Ediehow:

and aumix -W ## changes it

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Ediehow:

(note the case, W is PCM 2

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Milosch:

Master should change a master volume, for me it is Front

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Ediehow:

so Master in mythtv is not "Master" literally?

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Milosch:

do you have a script setup for changing volume, perhaps inadvertently?

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Ediehow:

i have a channel change script

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Ediehow:

where would such a script be?

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Ediehow:

i don't get it

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Ediehow:

aumix -W 20 -d /dev/mixer

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Ediehow:

if that works, why wouldn't setting myth to use /dev/mixer and PCM-2 work?

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Milosch:

dunno, too bad you can't disable all but the card you want as a test

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Ediehow:

i could

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Milosch:

btw, I have a volume.sh I use but it's only for the front panel knob on my Antec case

[03:33:19]

Milosch:

so, that isn't a myth setting that I know of but a lirc setting

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Ediehow:

if i change myth volume to 0%

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Ediehow:

and go to myth settings

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Ediehow:

it has master at 0

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Ediehow:

or whatever

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Ediehow:

AHHHHHHHHHHHH

[03:34:16]

Ediehow:

i don't GET It

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Milosch:

heh

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Ediehow:

aumix -W 50 -d /dev/mixer – why if this works can't myth do it?

[03:34:45]

Milosch:

i am using the same kernel here, and alsa

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Milosch:

so i don't get what

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Milosch:

so i don't get what is wrong

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Ediehow:

and so i turn off use internal vlume controls

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Milosch:

but then the numbers don't change, right?

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Ediehow:

in sql?

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Milosch:

yeah

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Ediehow:

http://pastebin.ca/343583

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Ediehow:

i can't figure this out

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Milosch:

Ediehow: in your amixer output, i didn't see PCM 2

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Milosch:

have you tried PCM Front ?

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Ediehow:

type that in?

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Ediehow:

in mythtv?

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Ediehow:

but that's alsa, isn't it?

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Milosch:

for the mixer control

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Ediehow:

so you want me to type

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quink:

evening

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Ediehow:

"PCM Front" in device?

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Milosch:

not the device, that's still /dev/mixer

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Ediehow:

nope

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Ediehow:

no volume change

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Ediehow:

master mixer volume stays on 0

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Ediehow:

in settings

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Ediehow:

and pcm mixer volume is on 90

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Milosch:

maybe you need to reconfigure alsa since your upgrade

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Ediehow:

reconfigure, how?

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Milosch:

i.e. rerun alsaconf

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Ediehow:

i mean, sound works otherwise

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Milosch:

should be in the utils package

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Milosch:

well, i don't see how this is a myth problem as weird as that sounds

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Ediehow:

it's limited to myth:O

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Milosch:

since you upgraded the kernel and/or alsa

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Milosch:

same myth ver, right

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Ediehow:

no

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Ediehow:

i tried going back to previous kernel and myth ahs same problem

[03:43:31]

Ediehow:

myth itself was upgraded around the same time

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Milosch:

svn or a binary release?

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Ediehow:

yum update --- rpms

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Ediehow:

hold on, will reboot with 2.6.18

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Milosch:

turn off and back on, too, just for grins

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Milosch:

sounds like NOT a myth problem...

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hardnova:

i have a usb tv stick thing how would i go about getting it to work under linux what may detect it ?

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Milosch:

http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/

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Milosch:

check there for the driver, device, or manufacturer ids

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Milosch:

hardnova: cat /proc/bus/usb/devices might tell you something

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Ediehow:

Milosch:

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Ediehow:

see, 2.6.18

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Ediehow:

same problem

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hardnova:

videomate u3 ?

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hardnova:

well that is something :)

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robbins876:

Anyone here familiar with fedora at all? I'm having some issues with my box booting up

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Ediehow:

Milosch: i can;t imagine what the problem would be except for myth

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Ediehow:

the difference now is that it's on PCM instead of PCM-2

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cesman:

The Tube rules!

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Milosch:

cesman: love that Hawaii Five-O

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cesman:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tube_(TV_channel)

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Milosch:

Ediehow: maybe worth saving a dump of the db and redoing setup OR install different binaries OR svn

[03:53:41]

Ediehow:

isn't there a script to fix the DB?

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Ediehow:

i ran something a while back

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Ediehow:

that was supposed to do tat

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Milosch:

cesman: different The Tube

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hardnova:

Compro VideoMate U3 -> Em2880 ? ( Compro VideoMate U3 (QT1010 tuner modules is missing) ) i found that on linuxtv.org

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hardnova:

that kinda says its not going to do much

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Milosch:

oops

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Ediehow:

i don't know what to do:(

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Milosch:

an especially bad problem with USB stuff sometimes

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Milosch:

especially if they require firmware

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Milosch:

but some brands are hip enough to get linux support going

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hardnova:

its a very cool little device and well its rather nice on the notebook to watch tv with

[03:57:01]

Milosch:

Ediehow: I just think something this critical would be hard to screw up in MythTV sourcecode

[03:57:21]

Milosch:

so it must be a binary or library issue

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Ediehow:

how do i see some debug thingie?

[03:57:47]

Milosch:

mythfrontend -v help

[03:57:53]

Milosch:

mythbackend -v help

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robbins876:

my system is hanging on boot at "enabling local filesystem quotas" anyone know why or how to fix that?

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Ediehow:

no mythtv?

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Milosch:

need to get to bed...

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Milosch:

good luck

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Ediehow:

k, thx again

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daviey:

geez 4:18 am.... need sleep

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Varanger_:

hello!!

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Varanger_:

does anyone have the pvrusb2 tuner?

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j0lly:

Anyone here know if mythtv runs on the PS3?

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kormoc:

how bout you try it

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Varanger_:

hello kormoc

[04:26:40]

Varanger_:

do you have the pvrusb2 tuner?

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kormoc:

nope, if I did, I would have said so

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Varanger_:

kormoc: you are right....

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j0lly:

kormoc: well, dont have the Ps3 yet, the desicion of buing it was kindof depending on it being able to work as a mediacentre

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j0lly:

(which is able to play HD material. And not only Bluray discs..

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kormoc:

j0lly, well, you could just have checked the wiki, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Operatin . . . station_3.29

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j0lly:

thnx..

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Fifth:

anyone have trouble with the backend server disconnecting?

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Fifth:

with the linux 2.6.19 ivtv drivers?

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Fifth:

Connection to the Master Backend Server has gone away for some reason

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Fifth:

but its running just fine

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Fifth:

2007-02–06 20:50:54.214 MythSocket(b25ed00:15): writeStringList: Error, invalid string list. MythSocket(b25ed00:15): readStringList: Error, timeout. Reconnection to backend server failed

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Fifth:

restarting it fixes it...but only temporarily....it'll do it again soon after

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Fifth:

its also not saving my files anymore.....just creates a 0 byte file

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Fifth:

guess I'm goin back to 2.6.18

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Fifth:

so looks like 2.6.18 works fine

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Fifth:

somethin up with ivtv drivers for 2.6.19

[05:06:09]

waldo:

i have a question about MythVideo

[05:06:41]

waldo:

in video manager, i set it so disc 2 of a particular movie would be played right after part 1, and that it would not show in the browse list

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waldo:

unfortunately, neither of those things happen

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waldo:

it's mildly depressing, this seems like the perfect way of handling split movies

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waldo:

oh. i suppose there's that.

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waldo:

hads: is that just a straight copy?

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waldo:

i don't want it re-encoding or some mumble

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Agrajag-:

avimerge?

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waldo:

(i'm guessing it's a straight copy, it's too fast to be anything else)

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hads:

Yeah, it will just copy it and make sure the index is OK

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waldo:

i'll spend more time copying it to and from my fileserver than i will putting the files together :]

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waldo:

hads++

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waldo:

worked like a charm.

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hads:

Cool. I don't like split files so I use that frequently.

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hads:

It works with as many input files as you want BTW

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waldo:

oh, i was just going to ask

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waldo:

i have one with 3. *grumble*

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waldo:

stupid archive.org

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sanmarcos:

I have a polaroid 24 CRT at 60hz, what resolution should I put in my X config?, also, do I force 100x100 dpi?

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sanmarcos:

I have Identifier "Television"

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sanmarcos:

HorizSync 30–50

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sanmarcos:

VertRefresh 60

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kormoc:

you should look up what res the tv is

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kormoc:

and google can tell you how to set dpi, as can the wiki

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sanmarcos:

yes, I know how to set the dpi, its in the FAQ

[05:45:11]

kormoc:

so why ask?

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sanmarcos:

I wanted to ask if I should force 100

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sanmarcos:

I assume yes, but I want to be sure kormoc, I appreciate your help very much

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kormoc:

it's up to your eyes

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kormoc:

if it looks good, then sure, else, no need

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sanmarcos:

I know the make and model

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sanmarcos:

however, I cant find the resolution

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sanmarcos:

whats a standard resolution, I know it supports NTSC and PAL

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sanmarcos:

I have it as NTSC-M in the xorg configuration

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sanmarcos:

whats best?

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kormoc:

whatever looks best

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sanmarcos:

the aspect ratio is the same as a comp monitor right (4:3)

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sanmarcos:

I assume 800x600

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kormoc:

it all depends on your videocard and tv and your eyes

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kormoc:

NTSC is 4:3, aye

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sanmarcos:

the video card is a geforce 6200

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sanmarcos:

800x600 should look better than 640x480

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sanmarcos:

and I am sure it can handle 60hz

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kormoc:

depends on the tv a bit too

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kormoc:

800x600 looks like crap on my tv

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sanmarcos:

what tv do you have ?

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kormoc:

some panasonic 22"

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sanmarcos:

what is the standard NTSC-M resolution?

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sanmarcos:

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sanmarcos:

wikipedia is your friend

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sanmarcos:

thanks for the help kormoc

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kormoc:

MonkeyINAbaG, please don't flood the channel, please use a pastebin like the one in the topic.

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onewheelskyward:

Is there a pastebin that allows me to paste, and when I access the site again from the same IP, it will show me what I pasted? That would come in handy for copying text over my LAN behind a NAT.

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kormoc:

should google and see, there's a few thousand pastebins

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onewheelskyward:

Not surprising.

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onewheelskyward:

If not, I might create one. I could make use of that.

[06:12:24]

defaultro:

hey folks, how much should I sell my air2pc at ebay?

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kormoc:

as much as you want for it

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defaultro:

is it easy to sell in ebay because I've never done it

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kormoc:

might want to ask in #ebay

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defaultro:

do I need to create a new account?

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defaultro:

oh

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defaultro:

sure

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defaultro:

lol, we're only 2 there

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onewheelskyward:

ebay is pretty straightforward. Just make sure you know how much it'sgoing to cost you to ship it.

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defaultro:

ah

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defaultro:

i'll have to bring it then to USPS

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onewheelskyward:

nah you can get the weight and get an estimate online, based on the weight and estimated linear inches.

[06:15:54]

defaultro:

i'm actually confuse. Sometimes, I see "But it now". When you see those signs, can someone still bid on it?

[06:16:09]

defaultro:

Buy it now

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kormoc:

defaultro, it's all covered on ebay's site...

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clever:

when building mythtv from source how to i tell it not to build the backend?

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kormoc:

clever, you don't

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defaultro:

how do we know if people are using real credit cards? Or should I tell paypal only?

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clever:

and what if i plan to only use it as a frontend?

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kormoc:

defaultro, read the ebay FAQ, it's all covered there

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clever:

why do i still need the backend compiled/installed

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defaultro:

:) aight kormoc

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onewheelskyward:

There is a frontend only option on configure, but it's not recommended. It's actually unsupported.

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defaultro:

didn't know it was also there

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kormoc:

clever, cause it only adds 1.5 megs of disk space, save next to no compile time, and means you won't get support from the developers

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clever:

lol

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clever:

also make may run faster then normal

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kormoc:

clever, my mistake, it's only 1 meg of disk space.

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kormoc:

clever, not at all. why would it?

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clever:

i copyed the entire used build dir from my backend/main fronten

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clever:

binarys and all

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clever:

errors:D /me trys make clean

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clever:

guess it wont be faster:P

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clever:

compiling away:)

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clever:

im having build errors http://clever.mine.nu:82/paste/errorlog

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onewheelskyward:

Did you build qt without threads?

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kormoc:

he sure did

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clever:

and i made a typo on the link

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clever:

i installed the qt dev package

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clever:

wait no it was favicon.ico that was 404'ing

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onewheelskyward:

What's your distro?

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clever:

ubuntu 6.06

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clever:

should be identical to the box i have my backend on

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onewheelskyward:

For some reason, your QT installation seems to be threadless.

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kormoc:

guess you need to figure out why your QT doesn't have thread support

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** clever checks the build-dep **

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t0ny-p40:

Where do I set the mythbackend ip for a frontend?

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clever:

i think its under general config when in the frontend

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kormoc:

it's set in mythtv-setup

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kormoc:

and you set it one place for all frontends and backends

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beernutz:

I am having an issue with mythtv where the menu colors appear to be almost inverted. It looks like the color palette is shifted somehow. If i Alt-F2 to bring up the run dialog over the top of myth, the colors are shifted back to appear properly. I am very confused.

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t0ny-p40:

I dont have mythtv-setup... :/

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kormoc:

t0ny-p40, try mythtvsetup

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onewheelskyward:

beernutz: Any chance you're running 8 bit color?

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clever:

beernutz: i had that problem when testing mythtv thru X11 forwarding but that was just a temp usage

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t0ny-p40:

tony@rtl:~/.mythtv$ ls /usr/bin/myth*

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t0ny-p40:

/usr/bin/mythfrontend /usr/bin/mythreplex /usr/bin/mythtv /usr/bin/mythwelcome

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t0ny-p40:

/usr/bin/mythlcdserver /usr/bin/mythshutdown /usr/bin/mythtvosd

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t0ny-p40:

or is mythtvsetup part of the backend?

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kormoc:

t0ny-p40, better talk to whoever made your package

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t0ny-p40:

I only installed the frontend

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beernutz:

i checked the xorg.conf file and it says 24 bit for both default and depth..

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kormoc:

t0ny-p40, there is no only frontend install

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beernutz:

it BEHAVES like it is in 8bit mode tho. at least it reminds me of that

[06:39:17]

t0ny-p40:

on ubuntu there is

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onewheelskyward:

beernutz: Yeah, palette shifting was my first thought.

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beernutz:

i also tried setting X to use 16bit color with no improvement

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kormoc:

t0ny-p40, it's not supported by the devs, as it's considered broken

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t0ny-p40:

oh

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defaultro:

kormoc, I'm confused with the paypal questions. I'm filling out their form now. It's asking me a business name. I don't have any. I just want to sell an item.

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beernutz:

is there a way to tell for CERTAIN while x is running what mode it is in?

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kormoc:

defaultro, you should talk to the paypal folks

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defaultro:

k

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clever:

kormoc: i did sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv and it fixed the build error

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kormoc:

beernutz, xdpyinfo perhaps

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beernutz:

leme try that thanks

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kormoc:

beernutz, under the depths (#): line, the first one listed is the one being used

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kormoc:

or the line that is depth of root window:

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defaultro:

t0ny-p40, I'm just an individual. I don't own any business company

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defaultro:

oh, name

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beernutz:

depth of root window: 24 planes

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defaultro:

:)

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kormoc:

defaultro, when dealing with your private info and similar, talk to the company directly, not random people

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defaultro:

k

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beernutz:

hrmph

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beernutz:

the bizarre thing is that i ONLY see this with nvidia cards

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kormoc:

beernutz, driver version? card?

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beernutz:

latest drivers i believe

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beernutz:

card is an nvidia 7300 gs pci-x

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kormoc:

turbocached?

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beernutz:

same behaivior with the nv driveer and with the nvidia driver

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marc_:

I am recording a program, and watching at the same time, I see an option to skip commercials, does this work?

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marc_:

or do I have to wait until the commflagging is done after recording?

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beernutz:

no

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kormoc:

marc_, typically have to wait

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beernutz:

not overclocked

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kormoc:

beernutz, turbocache is the term for sharing system memory with the video card

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clever:

how would i commflag something after it has been recorded

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beernutz:

ohhhh

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beernutz:

sorry.. my misunderstanding

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beernutz:

i dont believe so, as it is an external card, not on board

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kormoc:

marc_, any tv that accepts a DVI or HDMI plug

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kormoc:

beernutz, doesn't matter, pci-e allows it to happen :P

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beernutz:

interesting

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kormoc:

beernutz, know the brand?

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marc_:

kormoc: that is better than S-video?

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kormoc:

marc_, thousands better

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marc_:

kormoc: can I get an HDTV and still have my SDTV myth installation look good?

[06:47:08]

kormoc:

marc_, yes

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marc_:

ok, thank you :)

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marc_:

I am not planning on anything big

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beernutz:

boy, i sure dont. it was fairly recently purchased tho

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t0ny-p40:

I was wondering is there a way to record hidef composite like from a satellite receiver?

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marc_:

<40 and widescreen

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marc_:

kormoc: thank you for your help

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marc_:

kormoc: any brands do you recommend?

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kormoc:

t0ny-p40, nope

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hads:

composite != HD

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kormoc:

marc_, I like samsung and sony personally

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beernutz:

i wonder if i can tell if there is memory sharing going on

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clever:

t0ny-p40: would it even be hi def after getting shoved thru a composite cable:P

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clever:

hads: i was thinking the box could lower the quality to composite levels for that output

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t0ny-p40:

No idea a friend has hidef and wants a dvr

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marc_:

kormoc: my nvidia has a converter for s-video to the new composite replacement, I think it is called component. You still recommend DVI out though right?,

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t0ny-p40:

oh component

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t0ny-p40:

not composite

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kormoc:

marc_, yes, component is still analog, DVI/HDMI is pure digital, will look like and act like a monitor

[06:49:25]

t0ny-p40:

me = tired

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marc_:

ok kormoc, thanks, then I am going for HD.

[06:49:36]

kormoc:

t0ny-p40, if he wants to spend a few grand on hardware and write linux drivers, perhaps

[06:49:37]

hads:

We just got a little Panasonic 23" for the second room and it's a nice little unit

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marc_:

does it look good?

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beernutz:

and 1080P is absolutely amazing on DVI coming from my main workstation!

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kormoc:

beernutz, some of the 7300 GS's are turbocache, some are not, so I would recommend trying nvidia's driver version 9629, which is the best one I've found with turbocache cards

[06:52:50]

beernutz:

ok.. do you know how to TELL if it is tc'd?

[06:53:04]

kormoc:

I think it might say something in dmesg

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kormoc:

/proc/driver/nvidia/cards/0 might show sometihng

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t0ny-p40:

kormoc, so its not possible at the moment to get hidef off of encrypted satellite?

[06:54:08]

kormoc:

t0ny-p40, not without a lot of time, effort, and skill, nope

[06:54:22]

kormoc:

beernutz, /proc/driver/nvidia/registry might have some info too

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beernutz:

VideoMemoryTypeOverride: 1

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beernutz:

that mean anything helpful?

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kormoc:

might, might not. Mine have that and they're non TC cards

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beernutz:

anything i can grep for besides turbo or cache?

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kormoc:

not that I can remember

[06:56:45]

clever:

grep -i

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clever:

might be Turbe

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beernutz:

true

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clever:

Turbo*

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t0ny-p40:

wow mythtv works great over wifi :)

[06:57:14]

clever:

t0ny-p40: im about to try myth over wifi b

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t0ny-p40:

lol

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beernutz:

b sucks

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t0ny-p40:

I dont know about that.

[06:57:31]

t0ny-p40:

but g works ok :)

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clever:

but the build proccess just ate 95% of my swap so i killed it before it killed the pc

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beernutz:

g is usable

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kormoc:

beernutz, b has more range

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beernutz:

true

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beernutz:

guess that is the tradeoff

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kormoc:

indeed

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Hoochster:

pre-n works well! :)

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kormoc:

(sometimes)

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Hoochster:

so far no issues but don't watch it all the time on it heh, just my laptop heh on occasions

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beernutz:

hrm.. ill have to check driver versions tomorrow..

[06:59:05]

beernutz:

thanks for the help Kormoc!

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kormoc:

g'luck!

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beernutz:

thx

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marc_:

is turbocache good?

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kormoc:

no

[07:05:01]

kormoc:

it's just cheap

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t0ny-p40:

why would mount hang when doing a nfs share but then work after you kill it?

[07:05:52]

kormoc:

connection issues

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marc_:

whats a good FPS rate for commflagging?

[07:07:51]

t0ny-p40:

ok, one last question for now. How do I stop the interlacing?

[07:07:51]

kormoc:

> 24

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kormoc:

t0ny-p40, turn on a de-interlacing filter

[07:08:09]

marc_:

nice I am getting 40fps

[07:08:11]

t0ny-p40:

Where at?

[07:08:19]

marc_:

28% completed doing SDTV though

[07:08:21]

kormoc:

playback settings in mythfrontend

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t0ny-p40:

ok thanks

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marc_:

can I watch a recording while it is being comflagged and have some of the flags?

[07:17:50]

marc_:

as in if 30% is done of connflagging and there is a commercial at 10% of the recording, if I try to play it back will it warn me that there is a commercial?

[07:18:04]

hads:

I don't think so

[07:18:41]

onewheelskyward:

yes

[07:18:45]

onewheelskyward:

I'm doing it right now.

[07:19:20]

onewheelskyward:

You have to configure your backend to run at least 2 jobs and check the 'flag while recording' box.

[07:19:38]

clever:

where do you do that?

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hads:

I see. Cheers.

[07:19:53]

clever:

in mythtv-setup?

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onewheelskyward:

uuh...I'm pretty sure it was in mythtv-setup but don't hold me to that. :)

[07:20:05]

marc_:

onewheelskyward: why two jobs?

[07:20:09]

clever:

i'll look there

[07:20:10]

onewheelskyward:

It might have been in the frontend-setup.

[07:20:21]

onewheelskyward:

marc_: Because recording is a job, and mythcommflag is a separate job.

[07:21:24]

hads:

Is recording a job? My backend is only setup for one job and I thought it commflaged while recording.

[07:21:54]

onewheelskyward:

I'm not 100% sure about that, but I know my backend is setup for 4 jobs.

[07:22:17]

kormoc:

hads, recording is not a job, but there's a flag to only do jobs when not recording I believe

[07:22:24]

marc_:

ah ok, but I am done recording

[07:22:45]

kormoc:

onewheelskyward, that was to you too

[07:23:12]

** kormoc 's box is a 1 job box and commflags while recording just fine **

[07:23:23]

onewheelskyward:

Gotchya kormoc, thanks for the confirmation.

[07:25:16]

hads:

kormoc: Cheers

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kormoc:

clever, what?

[07:47:58]

clever:

compile error

[07:48:01]

kormoc:

so?

[07:48:09]

kormoc:

google has the answer :P

[07:48:31]

clever:

i tryed installing libqglviewer-dev which looked like the right package

[07:48:38]

clever:

but the install of that fails

[07:49:02]

kormoc:

try mesa-common-dev

[07:49:36]

clever:

mesa-common-dev is already the newest version.

[07:49:50]

kormoc:

xlibmesa-gl-dev ?

[07:50:11]

clever:

Package xlibmesa-gl-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package.

[07:50:47]

kormoc:

sounds like it's a broken ubuntu issue

[07:50:47]

clever:

busted dependencyes i think

[07:51:00]

clever:

i recently uncommented a large number of src lines

[07:51:17]

** kormoc raises an eyebrow... **

[07:51:27]

clever:

lol

[07:52:19]

clever:

which header file does it need?

[07:52:27]

clever:

i can search for the package that contains it

[07:52:35]

kormoc:

gl.h

[07:52:48]

clever:

clever@laptop:~$ apt-file search GL/gl.h

[07:52:54]

clever:

.......

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clever:

found 4 packages with it

[07:53:22]

clever:

mesa-common-dev is one

[07:54:19]

clever:

the file itself seems to be missing

[07:54:27]

clever:

i'll reinstall the package

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[08:13:27]

clever:

fixed

[08:13:43]

clever:

somehow caused samba to wind up dep locked when i did an upgrade

[08:14:04]

clever:

which kept me from even touching the mesa-common-dev package

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justinh:

morning

[08:16:43]

justinh:

I do not bloody believe this. just updated ivtv, tried grabbing a test stream & it turned out all shitty like the previous weeks' recordings from the card.

[08:16:51]

justinh:

I rebooted, and it's fine

[08:17:05]

justinh:

rebooting fixed it. wtf?!

[08:18:14]

Milosch:

they do say something about shutting down for 30 seconds to ensure clearing registers on the card

[08:18:19]

justinh:

bollocks

[08:18:36]

hads:

Right...

[08:18:36]

justinh:

didn't give me any problems on gentoo for well over 6 months

[08:18:51]

Milosch:

still, they do, and no i have not had major issues NOT doing it either

[08:19:23]

kormoc:

justinh, sometimes the card's firmware does get into a inconsistent state, and it's only loaded once per power cycle

[08:19:24]

justinh:

there aren't any capacitors on tuner cards of a large enough value to store charge for that long :)

[08:19:45]

clever:

kormoc: any way to force a post of the card

[08:19:47]

justinh:

so erm.. I should have a reboot crontab entry?

[08:19:47]

Milosch:

not necessarily required i guess

[08:19:51]

clever:

like post'ing the video board?

[08:19:56]

kormoc:

justinh, even tho they try to resend the firmware on the second and more ivtv loads, it just won't take

[08:19:59]

kormoc:

clever, nope

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Milosch:

what am i doing up anyway

[08:20:18]

kormoc:

justinh, usually not, it's typically rare for it to happen, but it has from time to time

[08:20:27]

justinh:

it's very annoying when it happens

[08:20:45]

justinh:

can we pwease have some tuner card designs that don't suck then?

[08:20:55]

kormoc:

justinh, feel free to design some

[08:21:14]

justinh:

actually, knowing what the chipset manufacturers are like....

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justinh:

this is linux ffs. I thought the adage of "have you tried rebooting" was a windoze thing ;)

[08:22:05]

Milosch:

updating the windows driver would require/ask for a reboot, so I reckon the card is designed with this in mind ;)

[08:23:00]

clever:

my xp box wanted to reboot after installing ie7

[08:23:00]

kormoc:

justinh, heh, every once in awhile, hardware just sucks :P

[08:23:02]

clever:

which isnt a driver

[08:23:06]

Milosch:

certainly not with linux in mind ;)

[08:23:14]

clever:

and then after saying no for 5 hours i turn my back on it for an hour

[08:23:15]

justinh:

wah! I want my hardware woky 24/7

[08:23:20]

clever:

and it reboots itself without asking

[08:23:29]

Milosch:

clever: that's because it's smarter than you

[08:23:38]

clever:

it gave me 15mins to answer

[08:23:42]

Milosch:

the machine will decide what's best

[08:23:49]

justinh:

anyway I'm now (I think anyway) on ivtv 0.4.9

[08:23:50]

kormoc:

just wait for vista

[08:23:51]

clever:

and because i didnt answer in 15mins it rebooted

[08:24:00]

clever:

it was a main server in my system

[08:24:03]

clever:

it had to stay up

[08:24:06]

justinh:

if I remembered how to build ivtv right anyway...

[08:24:07]

Milosch:

justinh: the latest rc is working well for me

[08:24:30]

justinh:

they've changed the bloody dapper howto – now they have debs but the old instructions have gone!

[08:24:35]

kormoc:

clever, shouldn't do updates without a maintenance window then

[08:24:53]

clever:

i expect to be able to delay the reboot as long as posible

[08:25:04]

clever:

and i have no idea if the update wants a reboot till its too late

[08:25:06]

justinh:

yay it's 0.4.9

[08:25:07]

Milosch:

clever: take that crap off your server anyway, imo ;)

[08:25:10]

justinh:

woopee

[08:25:40]

clever:

finaly make on mythtv finished

[08:25:47]

kormoc:

clever, if you read the documentation on the update it does tell you if it requires an update or not

[08:25:54]

kormoc:

*reboot or not

[08:26:08]

justinh:

anyway it's put me in a slightly better mood than I was in last night. I'm a bit weird with this stuff – it just works brilliantly for months (tm) & I expect it to stay that way and become very pissed off when it doesn't

[08:26:15]

clever:

brb

[08:26:55]

Milosch:

hey, this software is basically turning a nice consumer grade toaster into another kind of toaster anyway

[08:26:56]

** justinh comments out the hack in the channel change script to fix the 'V' audio **

[08:26:59]

kormoc:

justinh, due to the nature of IVTV's firmware loading, if perchance the firmware on the drive becomes corrupt, it could cause issues like that

[08:27:28]

kormoc:

justinh, so if it happens again, might just want to renew the firmware and see if that fixes it or not

[08:28:11]

justinh:

you know me folks, I'm not one for whining that mythtv sucks or anything – it doesn't. not even close. just these little minor annoyances that have f.a. to do with mythtv that mythtv depends on ;)

[08:28:11]

hads:

justinh: It was more than likely the bug I told you about causing the tinny audio.

[08:28:29]

justinh:

hads: I worked around it with an ivtvctl command

[08:28:40]

hads:

Yeah, but it's not a reliable workaround.

[08:28:45]

justinh:

true

[08:28:47]

clever:

back

[08:28:56]

justinh:

or er.. I mean.. obviously

[08:29:21]

justinh:

so does the firmware actually change from time to time?

[08:29:35]

justinh:

I mean what they provide for people to download?

[08:30:02]

kormoc:

justinh, it's packed with the drivers from hapaugge

[08:30:25]

justinh:

yes I know that

[08:30:29]

kormoc:

and yeah, it contains bug fixes and codec improvements and what not

[08:30:35]

justinh:

riiight

[08:30:45]

justinh:

so I should likely update the firmware too then

[08:30:59]

kormoc:

typically there's versions that ivtv recommends as being non-buggy

[08:31:10]

justinh:

hm.

[08:31:20]

justinh:

pity they don't tag the firmware with revision numbers

[08:31:53]

kormoc:

dmesg outputs the firmware version on ivtv load

[08:32:09]

justinh:

really? heh I can't say I'd ever noticed

[08:32:57]

kormoc:

ivtv0: loaded v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw firmware (262144 bytes)

[08:33:03]

kormoc:

ivtv0: Encoder revision: 0x02050032

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kormoc:

same for decoder versions as well

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Milosch:

the latest rc version requires a newer file, or at least the larger one

[08:35:15]

kormoc:

I'm on 0.7.1

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justinh:

according to diff, the files are the same, so no point copying the newly downloaded & untarred one into /lib/firmware

[08:36:06]

kormoc:

fair 'nuff

[08:36:07]

clever:

mythtv-setup wont load on my secondary frontend

[08:36:12]

hads:

I'm still running a patched 0.7.0, haven't got around to updating yet.

[08:36:31]

justinh:

they're binary files but diff would at least tell me they were different

[08:37:33]

justinh:

anyway i think in retrospect that my workaround for the 'V' audio was maybe the cause of the macroblocked, yucky video

[08:37:58]

justinh:

I hope the 'V' audio problem doesn't show up again with the updated ivtv :)

[08:38:21]

justinh:

all my workaround was, btw, was a register setting

[08:38:33]

Milosch:

ivtv-0.10.0rc1 was the version i was talking about btw

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hads:

Milosch: Does that run with 2.6.20?

[08:38:56]

justinh:

when I had wonky audio during a test live tv session I tried it & it cured the bad audio

[08:39:12]

Milosch:

hads: ymmv, some people seem to be having trouble, i have not tried

[08:39:22]

hads:

justinh: Yes, there's a large thread about it at mythtvtalk

[08:39:41]

justinh:

hads: I'm well aware of the thread

[08:39:41]

hads:

Milosch: Yeah, I was just wondering. I'm still on 2.6.17

[08:39:53]

clever:

uname: extra operand `-'

[08:39:53]

clever:

Try `uname --help' for more information.

[08:39:59]

clever:

2.6.15-27–386

[08:40:00]

Milosch:

this would be mainly for .18 and .19

[08:40:10]

Milosch:

.20 might work better in an rc2

[08:40:11]

justinh:

it wasn't until I read the ivtv changelog that I knew for sure the tinny audio problem had been nixed

[08:40:35]

hads:

justinh: I *told* you.

[08:40:37]

clever:

No error type from QSqlError? Strange...

[08:40:38]

justinh:

and for some reason I was reluctant to upgrade ivtv in the hope it'd fix it – hence the workaround

[08:40:44]

clever:

along with many other errors

[08:41:51]

justinh:

these cards just have a software-addressable reset line if they don't already – get em reinitialised properly

[08:42:04]

justinh:

s/just/should

[08:42:47]

justinh:

though leaving reset lines dangling in programmable logic is a pretty common thing – recently seen it on a well known HDD manufacturer's product

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justinh:

I guess the designers are only human after all ;)

[09:04:14]

justinh:

breaking news: asshat starts flameware on mythtv-dev mailing list!

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[09:05:12]

justinh:

morning stuarta

[09:05:36]

stuarta:

morning.

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justinh:

seem to have fixed the annoying pvr150 problem I had last night. rebooted & all is well. upgraded to ivtv 0.4.9 in an attempt to cure it.. fingers etc crossed :)

[09:08:18]

stuarta:

what issues were you having?

[09:13:21]

hads:

The tinny audio bug

[09:14:24]

** stuarta *sighs* **

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[09:17:23]

justinh:

firmware must've got its knicks in a twist

[09:17:26]

justinh:

anyway...

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clever:

2007-02–07 05:20:41.256 GetRecordBasename found no entry

[09:20:55]

clever:

2007-02–07 05:20:42.263 RingBuf(/var/lib/mythtv/): Invalid file (fd -1) when opening '/var/lib/mythtv/'.

[09:20:58]

clever:

2007-02–07 05:20:42.264 PlaybackBox Error: Could not open file for preview video.

[09:21:06]

clever:

what could be wrong?

[09:21:13]

clever:

front end is on pc B backend on A

[09:21:25]

clever:

that folder is mounted to the be's version thru nfs

[09:27:04]

stuarta:

not sure I like the "GetRecordBasename found no entry" error

[09:27:28]

clever:

what would cause/fix that?

[09:27:59]

rsdvd:

RingBuf(/var/lib/mythtv/) refers to a directory – should that not be a file?

[09:28:12]

clever:

its a directory on the other pc

[09:28:15]

clever:

filled with nuv files

[09:28:29]

clever:

4gig of them

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rsdvd:

I think your problem comes from the "GetRecordBasename found no entry" not finding a file for some reason – hence not adding it to path to RingBuf. Sorry I cannot think why it would happen

[09:32:48]

clever:

i'll have a poke arround in all the settings

[09:32:50]

stuarta:

try running it with --verbose db (warning big logs)

[09:35:36]

clever:

ive ran with -v all before:P

[09:36:54]

clever:

Unknown argument for -v/--verbose: db

[09:37:25]

stuarta:

oops, database

[09:37:28]

clever:

:P

[09:37:36]

clever:

-v help allready told me that

[09:37:49]

clever:

getting tons of querys floodingby:)

[09:38:20]

stuarta:

yup, the idea is to log the db transacation for what you are doing, and have a look to work out what's going on...

[09:38:26]

clever:

init...

[09:38:42]

clever:

last one was checking allowquitshutdown

[09:39:07]

clever:

its currently busy flooding my swap file

[09:39:28]

clever:

there stablalyzed

[09:39:34]

** clever reproduces the error **

[09:40:41]

clever:

2007-02–07 05:39:59.397 MSqlQuery: SELECT icon FROM channel WHERE chanid = '1011' ;

[09:40:44]

clever:

2007-02–07 05:39:59.914 MSqlQuery: SELECT basename FROM recorded WHERE chanid = '1011' AND starttime = '2007-02–07T00:00:03';

[09:40:47]

clever:

2007-02–07 05:39:59.914 GetRecordBasename found no entry

[09:40:50]

clever:

2007-02–07 05:39:59.917 MSqlQuery: SELECT DISTINCT dirname FROM storagegroup WHERE groupname = 'LiveTV'

[09:40:52]

clever:

2007-02–07 05:39:59.921 MSqlQuery: SELECT DISTINCT dirname FROM storagegroup WHERE groupname = 'Default'

[09:40:56]

clever:

2007-02–07 05:40:00.931 RingBuf(/var/lib/mythtv/): Invalid file (fd -1) when opening '/var/lib/mythtv/'.

[09:40:59]

clever:

2007-02–07 05:40:00.931 PlaybackBox Error: Could not open file for preview video.

[09:41:02]

clever:

tad large of a paste

[09:41:10]

** stuarta shouts use *PASTEBIN* **

[09:41:15]

clever:

lol

[09:41:23]

clever:

cant paste into firefox

[09:41:29]

clever:

im copying in xterm

[09:41:39]

clever:

they dont use the same clipboard

[09:41:41]

stuarta:

i do it all the time...

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Captain_Murdoch:

paste works fine in my firefox.

[09:41:45]

Captain_Murdoch:

middle-click

[09:42:04]

clever:

my system is diff then:P

[09:42:19]

clever:

when i hit paste in firefox i get the last thing i copyed in that 2nd clipboard

[09:42:34]

Captain_Murdoch:

so use middle-click

[09:42:40]

hads:

That still doesn't mean you should paste it here

[09:42:41]

clever:

2 button mouse

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Captain_Murdoch:

so hit both buttons at the same time

[09:42:55]

clever:

and the left button bearly works

[09:43:26]

Captain_Murdoch:

then open the log in gedit and copy it to the clipboard in there

[09:43:38]

clever:

gedit uses the 2nd clipboard that firefox uses

[09:43:45]

Captain_Murdoch:

annoying people in here by pasting long longs isn't going to help get suport.

[09:43:56]

clever:

the best way i found was to open gnome-terminal and screen -x it

[09:44:17]

clever:

ive opened the storagegroup table it was selecting from and only see a row for the other host

[09:44:21]

Captain_Murdoch:

how old of a mouse is this that it doesn't have 3 buttons on it, or is it a PC/MAC hybrid? :)

[09:44:30]

clever:

does the id have to be uniq to the host or the whole db?

[09:44:38]

clever:

dell laptop was windows

[09:44:45]

clever:

4 buttons technicaly

[09:44:50]

Captain_Murdoch:

the slaves will use the storage groups from the master if htey don't have one defined.

[09:44:50]

clever:

2 left and 2 right

[09:45:23]

clever:

i also have a joystickish mouse and a touch pad

[09:46:35]

Captain_Murdoch:

the only time that "GetRecordBasename found no entry" is printed is when it can't find the basename in the recorded table by looking it up via chanid and starttime.

[09:46:53]

clever:

4 rows of data in there

[09:46:58]

Captain_Murdoch:

in recorded?

[09:47:16]

clever:

yes

[09:47:26]

clever:

ahhhh

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Captain_Murdoch:

so what happens when you run "SELECT basename FROM recorded WHERE chanid = '1011' AND starttime = '2007-02–07T00:00:03';" in mysql?

[09:47:34]

clever:

3rd row has a starttime of 22:00:03

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clever:

diff time zoen

[09:47:53]

clever:

the tz between front and backend dont match

[09:47:54]

Captain_Murdoch:

between frontend and backend?

[09:48:01]

Captain_Murdoch:

yeah,makes a difference. :)

[09:48:11]

clever:

the backend is mainly for other services in gmt-6

[09:48:18]

clever:

but the rest of the house is on gmt-4

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Captain_Murdoch:

big house...

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clever:

lol

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clever:

i live in -4

[09:48:44]

clever:

i'll change this frontend to -6 for now

[09:49:36]

Captain_Murdoch:

just wrap it in a shell script to set TZ

[09:49:46]

clever:

wont the clock itself still be off?

[09:49:58]

Captain_Murdoch:

possibly, can't hurt to try

[09:50:11]

stuarta:

under unix the clock should *always* be GMT

[09:50:12]

Captain_Murdoch:

don't recall exactly, depends on how you're setup I guess.

[09:50:25]

clever:

echo $TZ returns nothing on the backend

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stuarta:

just M$ frigged timezone handling up

[09:50:55]

clever:

so i have nothing to copy over

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clever:

clocks match now:)

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clever:

reloading frontend

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clever:

i dont think i have enough ram:P

[09:54:57]

clever:

takes 3mins for the frontend to load:P

[09:55:34]

clever:

preview works now:)

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** clever looks for more bugs **

[09:56:46]

clever:

quality too high for wifi b:(

[09:56:58]

clever:

but i can allways string a 100mbit to the laptop for using the frontend

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clever:

with time stretch at 0.5 it stops skiping but is SLOW:P

[10:06:56]

clever:

oops

[10:07:01]

clever:

tryed to watch live cd

[10:07:03]

clever:

tv*

[10:07:09]

clever:

but i shut the cable box off:P

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justinh:

it's minus 2 degrees C out there

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justinh:

-5 when I set off from home. brrr

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stuarta:

bloody freezing is the technical term....

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[10:15:21]

justinh:

heheh aye

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clever:

its under -20 here with wind chil acording to mythweather

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v justinh

[10:17:03]

justinh:

ahhh

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stuarta:

better :)

[10:17:56]

rsdvd:

justinh : according to the weather forcast onthe radio – London will see 2–3 inches of snow tonight

[10:25:10]

pat__:

there are four things on at once that she wants to tape :)

[10:25:43]

clever:

lol

[10:26:02]

clever:

i only have 1 card

[10:26:06]

justinh:

2–3 inches? oh noes! the city will be brought to a standstill!

[10:26:10]

clever:

and it cant even change the channels on the dct2000 box yet

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clever:

LOL

[10:26:25]

justinh:

pat__: so don't just sit there, get buying! do as she says!!!

[10:26:39]

justinh:

SWMBO must be obeyed :)

[10:27:28]

stuarta:

alternatively, purchasing department

[10:28:14]

clever:

how woild i disable mythphone in the mythplugins?

[10:28:30]

stuarta:

you get 1 guess

[10:28:44]

clever:

lol --disable-mythphone

[10:28:53]

clever:

why didnt --help on configure say so in the first place:P

[10:29:02]

clever:

and whats zoneminder for?

[10:29:05]

justinh:

./configure --disable-all --enable-only-plugins-you-actually-want

[10:29:20]

pat__:

DVico Fusion Dual 2 looks the go

[10:29:32]

pat__:

works well?

[10:29:44]

justinh:

check the linuxtv.org wikiwikiwiki

[10:30:04]

justinh:

see if it's supported in linux, if so then probably will work well with mythtv

[10:30:10]

justinh:

probably, but ymmv

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stuarta:

pat__: try asking about linux support in #linuxtv

[10:36:59]

justinh:

I'd look in the wiki & their mail list first though

[10:37:22]

justinh:

it can be ever so slightly annoying when people don't do a little of their own research first

[10:43:18]

stuarta:

yes indeed

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clever:

[1]+ Illegal instruction mythfrontend

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clever:

was in mythmusic

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stuarta:

sounds a bit like a miscompile / lib issue

[10:47:22]

clever:

it did this on my other box when i had no folders in the music list

[10:47:56]

clever:

same source

[10:48:50]

justinh:

I saw mythmusic segafult once when the playlist was empty. couldn't reproduce it so must've been 'one of those things' (tm)

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clever:

yeah it was a seg fault last time i think

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justinh:

I raised a ticket for it & got a telling off from somebody called isaac. I was angry for a while but saw the light eventually

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clever:

lol

[10:50:33]

pat__:

Think I'll go 2 x WinFast DTV1000 T instead, anybody got any complaints about them?

[10:51:33]

justinh:

pat__: I have 3 of the forerunners to that card

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justinh:

no complaints

[10:52:15]

justinh:

uses the cx88_dvb module, just works (tm)

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pat__:

they would have to be better than the twinhan ones I've got

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justinh:

I know somebody with a twinhan & he's not best pleased with it

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clever:

to smart playlists in mythmusic

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clever:

playlist.o: Oh crap ... how did we get something with an ID of 0 on a playlist?

[10:54:33]

clever:

and another [1]+ Illegal instruction mythfrontend

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justinh:

oo looks like I'm gonna buy a sonnet sata controller – this one allegedly supports port multipliers

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stuarta:

oooo controllers....

[10:57:35]

justinh:

yeah we need one for work – one better than the crappy SiL controller based one

[10:58:01]

justinh:

stupid thing doesn't work with seagate sata hdds

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justinh:

folks here think I'm weird for saying i wouldn't yet trust sata as far as I could chuck it

[10:59:20]

justinh:

and with issues like those hdds not working with a particular controller is it surprising?

[11:01:14]

pat__:

now I've told her how much she says I've got to be happy with the gig of ram she brought home for me this week :(

[11:01:33]

pat__:

I give it a week before she tells me to pick one up on the way home :)

[11:08:19]

justinh:

a gig of ram should be enough, hell

[11:32:45]

justinh:

I mean it should be enough if you're not planning to use blootube-wide at 1920x1080 anyway

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justinh:

;)

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rsdvd:

:-) 4Gb is about right for blootube-wide

[11:54:16]

justinh:

oh I dunno. maybe 8GB

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qu0zl:

that's for the lite version?

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justinh:

actually with some tricks learnt from mepo-wide there might be a way to eke that down a bit

[11:54:57]

justinh:

no ironically the lite version needs 20GB

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qu0zl:

heh

[11:55:30]

justinh:

anyway...

[11:55:31]

qu0zl:

one advantage of sdtv rez's, i never noticed any problems with blootube wide and half a gig of ram

[11:55:39]

** justinh slaps the radiotimes EPG monkeys very hard **

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justinh:

don't put spoilers in episode descriptions!!!!!!!!!!!

[11:56:05]

qu0zl:

they're fuckwits alright, they even put different reviews for the same episode on different days of the week

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qu0zl:

so i get both copies

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justinh:

it's not like they were minor spoilers either

[12:01:17]

justinh:

pretty bloody major plot twists

[12:02:16]

justinh:

luckily it didn't detract from my enjoyment that much but it's beside the point innit

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qu0zl:

:)

[12:11:15]

qu0zl:

i just don't look at them any more, they put bloody stupid things in them

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justinh:

pity it wouldn't be easy to put a bayesian algorithm in there to spot spoilers like that

[12:12:43]

justinh:

they can be so contrary it's frustrating. half the time you're lucky to get a full line – the rest of the time you get a frickin essay

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justinh:

anyone know how good (or not) MCE's EPG data is by comparison?

[12:17:34]

Merlin83b:

I avoid the episode summaries for anything I care about being spoiled.

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justinh:

I know for a fact that tivo's Uk data isn't always right – the one tivo advocate I know has had a few missed recordings because of that

[12:18:29]

justinh:

yeah Merlin83b it's made me think about writing a script to fix it – i.e. blot out the description of shows where I don't want it spoiled

[12:18:51]

justinh:

changing the theme won't do since mythweb would also need to be changed

[12:19:11]

Merlin83b:

I'm quite good at not looking where the description is, but I could see that, as an option per show, being a good change.

[12:19:29]

justinh:

there'd be a huge downside to that

[12:19:41]

justinh:

yetanothertickbox alert!

[12:20:12]

justinh:

mythtv can already have the living daylights configured out of it & I'm not sure yet more config options are a good thing

[12:20:59]

Merlin83b:

True.

[12:21:02]

justinh:

don't forget I've sat down & taken screenshots of most of the menu screens. I got bored at 160

[12:21:34]

justinh:

I knew there were a lot but not as many as that!

[12:22:09]

Jonty:

hi can I just ask a quick question

[12:22:11]

Merlin83b:

Wow.

[12:22:19]

Merlin83b:

That's a surprising metric.

[12:22:56]

justinh:

there've been new plugin additions since then too ;)

[12:23:02]

Jonty:

what syntax to I use to save a scan on astra-19.2E as channels.conf to import into mythtv?

[12:23:20]

justinh:

Jonty: AFAIK, just a plain output

[12:24:11]

justinh:

if there's a problem with scanning in mythtv-setup, report it & help get it fixed rather than work around it

[12:24:20]

Jonty:

hmm this is well confusing got channels on kaffeine but can't get any on mythtv

[12:24:42]

Jonty:

ok how do I report it and who to?

[12:24:55]

justinh:

well, does scanning in mythtv-setup work?

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** stuarta lurks quietly in the corner **

[12:25:25]

Jonty:

no it doesn't thats why I wanted to make a channels.conf to import instead of scanning

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stuarta:

Jonty: what version and what symptoms?

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Jonty:

0.20

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Jonty:

just let me try scanning again and will give you the output

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stuarta:

just describe them

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stuarta:

"table not found" perchance?

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stuarta:

ahh, lunchtime. back soon...

[12:29:31]

Jonty:

no its not table not found its no signal

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Jonty:

time out then no signal

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Jonty:

will have to leave it for now and try again l8r

[12:30:30]

Jonty:

now I know there is a problem and its not me I feel better

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** stuarta finds it's too busy and comes back **

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stuarta:

Jonty: try upping the timeouts on the card configuration

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** justinh slaps a forum troll **

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** stuarta slaps the dev list troll **

[12:34:12]

justinh:

I'd ban him but then he won't get to read my reply

[12:34:34]

stuarta:

he's not bitching about postgres is he?

[12:34:42]

justinh:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . amp;start=10

[12:34:55]

justinh:

no, an apparent 'bug' in mythcommflag

[12:35:05]

justinh:

it's all coded wrong or something

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stuarta:

he's a gnat compared to the -dev troll

[12:36:54]

justinh:

yeah I think the -dev troll has a personal grievance

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justinh:

I was tempted to post saying if it all sucks so much then why doesn't he just fuck off & leave everyone in peace

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** stuarta tries to ignore that troll **

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rsdvd:

I thought 'justinh' was going to be the laid back persona ;-)

[12:38:25]

justinh:

nah

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stuarta:

hah!

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rsdvd:

:-)

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justinh:

I can't deny who I am!

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rsdvd:

lol

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stuarta:

at least you can say juski isn't here :-P

[12:40:08]

justinh:

I think he's dead

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justinh:

metaphorically, I mean

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justinh:

or for tax purposes, whichever sounds more convincing

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stuarta:

tax purposes sounds much more hitchhikers...

[12:42:08]

justinh:

was funny last night when '24' came up all knackered

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justinh:

got about 30 secs into it & I blurted out "I can't watch this...". my wife said "why? what's wrong with it?"

[12:42:48]

justinh:

what's wrong with it? you mean apart from looking like a rainy $ky plu$ recording?

[12:43:18]

justinh:

yet when coronation st. has the faintest glitch, it's "come here! the box is broken again"

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justinh:

I wonder if I kept the test recording I made this morning.. could be a good example of a 'when ivtv goes bad' clip

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stuarta:

haha, anyway lunch attempt #2, nobody there yet....

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stuarta:

s/yet/now...

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justinh:

just made my 1999th forum post

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justinh:

what will be the 2000th?

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quicksil1er:

JUSKI PWNZ j00 8LL!

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justinh:

heheh

[12:49:37]

justinh:

the more I think about it, the more the Dr Evil avatar suits me down to the ground

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justinh:

I think I might have met that -dev list troll at LRL last year

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GreyFoxx:

there are fools everywhere :)

[12:56:24]

justinh:

a very unpleasant individual in person

[12:56:33]

GreyFoxx:

he shows it in every post

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justinh:

is there something in the air? there's been a lot of misanthropy about lately

[12:57:19]

justinh:

or did I just miss the fact there's been a lull in it?

[12:59:08]

GreyFoxx:

you missed the lul :)

[12:59:09]

GreyFoxx:

lull

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quicksil1er:

are you talking about the openmedia guy?

[13:04:38]

justinh:

not that guy as such, but the ensuing thread

[13:05:18]

justinh:

personally I think that any company using OSS software has any right to ask anything from the community without paying for it

[13:06:36]

justinh:

brought memories of the commercial guys I met at linux expos flooding back. they saw mythtv & you could almost see pound signs in their eyes

[13:07:03]

quicksil1er:

if you had said "right to expect" I would agree 100%

[13:07:22]

justinh:

well that's what I meant

[13:07:25]

quicksil1er:

merely "ask"ing though is just bringing people's attention to the notion that a feature might be nice

[13:07:29]

quicksil1er:

:)

[13:07:41]

justinh:

duly noted & ignored, said the reply ;)

[13:07:41]

quicksil1er:

(although offtopic for -dev, possibly)

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justinh:

feature request: that users stop frickin whining!

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justinh:

I think the users list has been so noisy for so long folks are just switching to the dev list as a matter of course now

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quicksil1er:

I fear that could be the case

[13:13:13]

quicksil1er:

I must admit I considered that solution myself :)

[13:13:52]

stuarta:

true, i only ever subscribe to -users when i have a *lot* of time on my hands

[13:14:25]

justinh:

I'll never figure out why some users are so needy & why they kick off when people politely tell them their patches will be welcomed

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justinh:

anyway – lots of work to do...

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Dagmar:

It's only a matter of time before some Koreans or something start selling a product with a carefully rebranded version of MythTV inside

[13:34:14]

Dagmar:

Actually, it'll probably be Singapore

[13:34:14]

qu0zl:

that'll be a good thing, bug fixes at least will make their way back to mythtv

[13:34:21]

Dagmar:

Suuure they will

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qu0zl:

well, i work for a company that uses vlc in our products and i've numerous vlc bug fixes in the tree

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Dagmar:

Cool

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qu0zl:

we've also add rtsp trickplay support for kasennas to it

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qu0zl:

etc etc

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qu0zl:

it's good for us and good for vlc

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Dagmar:

Other projects haven't been so lucky.

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qu0zl:

i'd like people doing the same with mythtv tbh

[13:35:22]

Dagmar:

Mplayer, a particular apple emulator...

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qu0zl:

yeah can be that way alright Dag :(

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mikasaari:

What might be the problem when mythtvbackend says "Failed to set demux filter" ?

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justinh:

qu0zl: that's a good example. sadly not all firms follow that ethos

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justinh:

like a certain British Telecommunications PLC

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MonkeyINAbaG:

mikasaari) you shouldnt irc as root

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mikasaari:

MonkeyINAbaG: ok

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qu0zl:

yeah i saw that mentioned justinh, pity too as those look like cool little devices :)

[13:44:19]

mikasaari:

Can the "failed to set demux filter" cause the EIT not to work ?

[13:44:50]

stuarta:

yep

[13:45:18]

stuarta:

effectively myth is unable to tune your hardware to a station

[13:45:19]

mikasaari:

I do have several different DVB-T machines with fully working EIT, but all DVB-C tests have had same EIT not-working problem

[13:45:46]

stuarta:

wouldn't surprise me if the provider is doing something non standard

[13:45:52]

stuarta:

most dvb-c providers do

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stuarta:

s/do/break standards

[13:45:59]

mikasaari:

stuarta: Hmm, I am able to watch every channel despite of that error message

[13:46:17]

stuarta:

ooo, interesting.

[13:46:22]

mikasaari:

stuarta: I think they are doing some non standard, at least the networkid in dvt_multiplex is having NULL at SQL

[13:46:50]

stuarta:

yeah, that's a symptom...

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mikasaari:

I fixed that one by hand in SQL and then Fully Scanned the channels. After that channels are "watchable" but EIT is not working. Would there be something which I could try dvbsnoop or something like that, to get the DVB-C to work, or am I doomed ?

[13:48:46]

stuarta:

no, it's just a process of 1) working out what they actually send

[13:48:55]

stuarta:

2) how that relates to the standards

[13:49:02]

stuarta:

3) what we need to do about it.

[13:51:14]

mikasaari:

Is there something I could do in that process ?

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Neeesat25:

Hello

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Neeesat25:

I have build a new system in a shuttle PC with ATI RADEON 9200 card. When I select LIve TV I get black screen. Any ideas please?

[13:55:26]

justinh:

any output from mythbackend & mythfrontend please?

[13:55:38]

Neeesat25:

I cant see any osd

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justinh:

try stopping the mythbackend daemon & run it in a terminal

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Neeesat25:

ok

[13:56:19]

justinh:

then you will be able to see what it outputs later

[13:56:31]

justinh:

or you can redirect its output to a log file

[13:56:39]

justinh:

see mythbackend --help

[13:57:30]

justinh:

it may well be that you have a problem with your video drivers – i.e. nothing is wrong with the backend

[13:57:55]

justinh:

if you can hear audio in livetv, then I'd suspect the backend & tuner hardware is ok

[13:58:46]

Neeesat25:

hmm I used fglrx

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justinh:

anyway, if my memory serves me well, you have already made mythtv work before, so what did you do differently this time?

[13:59:31]

Neeesat25:

I have two systems running ok

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Neeesat25:

This is the third one and I have used ATI this time instead of NVIDIA

[14:00:09]

Neeesat25:

I have install FGLRX drivers for it

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justinh:

I'm tempted to say "bingo!"

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Neeesat25:

yea but why

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Neeesat25:

I have try to use just x11 not accelerated but still the same

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justinh:

I just have this amazing prejudice against ATI hardware

[14:01:03]

Neeesat25:

Well me too but thats what I had

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justinh:

get it sold on ebay & let some other sucker fall into the trap :)

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Neeesat25:

yea thats a good idea. he he

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Neeesat25:

fixed

[14:07:58]

Neeesat25:

I have reinstalled fglrx drivers and it worked

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Neeesat25:

Thats not changing my opinion for ATI's though

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seth|laptop:

ATI+Linux=p@in

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seth|laptop:

I have a box full of them

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stuarta:

the most recent free ATI (open src) drivers worked for me last time i tested them

[14:12:56]

stuarta:

tho i suspect without acceleration

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Neeesat25:

well now it's working for me too but not so well as NVIDIA

[14:13:35]

Neeesat25:

Ah I do not use acceleration

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stuarta:

me either

[14:14:09]

justinh:

oo our laser printer looks like it runs on something linuxy. can I use it as a frontend?

[14:15:01]

stuarta:

hah!

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Merlin83b:

Only if it can print 24pps.

[14:21:11]

quicksil1er:

or if you promise you only want to watch programs which consist of a single still shot of a laser printer

[14:30:01]

justinh:

bah. livetv isn't worky. must be out of paper

[14:31:49]

justinh:

eek! there's a patch to allow the coreavc codec to be used in mythtv?!

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rsdvd:

Sort of OT Question : does nayone have any decent backup scripts? I want to set something up to backup my MythMusic and phots etc ?

[14:32:27]

GreyFoxx:

justinh: Yup I saw something like that in there

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justinh:

rsdvd: sadly not, though my DB backup thing is nifty

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stuarta:

my backup strategy = dump db everytime i do testing, backup to external disk every now and again.

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rsdvd:

justinh : I have just finished my db backup scripts – I should have asked about that to :-)

[14:33:44]

GreyFoxx:

I do nightly db backups, which are rsynced to a backup machine, but I also dump before any manually changes (or most of the time at least) :)

[14:33:47]

janneg:

but even dvb radio would be expensive. My toner catridge would probably do less than 200 solid black prints

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justinh:

which reminds me...

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rsdvd:

does noone backup their files then? I know backing up the mpgs would be silly – but photos/music etc ?

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janneg:

justinh: coreavc is not of the kind of proprietary software I would want to use

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GreyFoxx:

rsdvd: I rsync those to my backup machine as well

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GreyFoxx:

my photos get synced to my colo box, plus my backup machine

[14:36:07]

GreyFoxx:

I'd be more upset about loosing those than anything else

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janneg:

parallelizing the ffmpeg h264 decoder would be enough for me

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rsdvd:

GreyFoxx : do you just rsync everything in the directory? – not some sort of incremental thing ?

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stuarta:

rsync is incremental after it's first use

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GreyFoxx:

rsdvd: rsync by it's nature is incremental

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rsdvd:

ok!

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** rsdvd needs to reas the rsync man pages **

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** stuarta thinks rsync is cool **

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GreyFoxx:

my sync to my colo box is just a script with rsync

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GreyFoxx:

my backup machine uses rsync + BackupPC for managing it all from multiple machines.

[14:38:05]

GreyFoxx:

rsync is sweet

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stuarta:

i really must get a colo, even if it's just a virtual appliance

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rsdvd:

ok – related question : do any of you backup Windows PCs?

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quicksil1er:

stuarta: I got a mac mini colo for 40/month, I thought that was pretty neat

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GreyFoxx:

stuarta: I work in a colo facility/hosting + phone company :)

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GreyFoxx:

rsdvd: there is an rsyncd for windows as well

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_Jaak_:

Is there a way to start myth windowed? Something like mythfrontend -windowed ???

[14:39:20]

GreyFoxx:

I use that for data backups from windows machgines

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GreyFoxx:

rsdvd: or you can use samba shares

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GreyFoxx:

but if you want something you can quickly blip back on, acronis rocks... but it's not cheap

[14:39:57]

rsdvd:

GreyFoxx : thanks! I am after something free ?

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rsdvd:

:-)

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** stuarta suffers ENOCAFFEINE **

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quicksil1er:

rsdvd: bacula is supposed to be pretty good, it's fairly complex though

[14:40:53]

GreyFoxx:

rsdvd: like I said, I use rsync to get data directories from windows machines, but acronis for full backups. I'm just lucky enough to have apaid for copy from work :)

[14:41:06]

GreyFoxx:

_jac: mythfrontend -O RunFrontendInWindow=1

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GreyFoxx:

_Jaak_: mythfrontend -O RunFrontendInWindow=1

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rsdvd:

:-) unfortunatly I am my own boss – and I cannot persuade myself to spend the money

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rsdvd:

quicksil1er : I started installing bacula – but got totally confused

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_Jaak_:

Thanks guys!

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justinh:

janneg: coreavc is about as much use to me as the proverbial chocolate fireguard, but it's sort of nice to know there's a solution i could use if I needed it as a last-ditch thing

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doc_:

hi there :)

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quicksil1er:

mmm chocolate fireguard

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justinh:

I'm one of these 'as long as it works I don't care' kind of people – so long as nothing intrinsically evil is going on...

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stuarta:

now i remember...

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stuarta:

the coreavc guy was the one who asked me for my sample hd stream

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_Jaak_:

how do i resize a windowed mythfrontend or set defealt size?

[14:48:35]

stuarta:

so he could implement it in coreavc and get paid for it.

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stuarta:

so i told him the sample had been passed to the ffmpeg dev (which i know only the devs have access too :)

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stuarta:

ffmpeg ftp site.

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GreyFoxx:

_jaac: It is not dynamically resizeable

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GreyFoxx:

You need to either set override values at the commandline or change them in the frontend setup menus

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GreyFoxx:

You can use -geometry when starting it too

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_Jaak_:

is there documentation on commandline stuff?

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justinh:

mythfrontend --help

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decay:

hi! i'm using mythtv with a dbox2. livetv suffers from disruption. the backend uses ~60% cpu – is this normal?

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justinh:

it's a miracle it even works at all, decay

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justinh:

1. the dbox2 is a PoS, 2. the original maintainer of the dbox2 mythtv code is missing in action

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decay:

thats bad luck for me :( thanks for information

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justinh:

you might have more luck capturing the output of the box with a pvr card

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justinh:

the dbox2 network port is only 10mbit & it struggles to stream over TCP

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justinh:

last thing I heard about the maintainer of the dbox2 code was that he was going to try & get a UDP stream recorder to work, then he just vanished

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decay:

livetv works fine with vlc directly playing the stream... but thats not as cool as mythtv. so its not just the 10 mbit problem.

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decay:

whats the meaning of PoS?

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fryfrog:

Piece of Shit

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fryfrog:

Point of Sale

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Hoxzer_:

:D .... diffrence is so tiny

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decay:

hehe i still like my tuxbox :o

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Merlin83b:

stuarta: Watching the goings on in the dev channel, would the bfsq not be so annoying if I moved to InnoDB from MyISAM?

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stuarta:

Merlin83b: dunno. haven't tested....

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justinh:

a tuxbox I had was great until you tried to do anything over the network. then it would poo its pants, big style

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Merlin83b:

I'll test it at somepoint then. gbee seemed to be implying it would be better.

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stuarta:

theoretically it could be.. InnoDB perf is supposed to be better.

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Merlin83b:

I'll give it a go and find out :)

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stuarta:

must say though, that adding all those indexs helped a *lot*

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Merlin83b:

When were they added?

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stuarta:

in the last week

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Merlin83b:

I'm ln 12398

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Merlin83b:

Ah, then an update may be due.

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stuarta:

put it this way. i rebuilt the frontend against the latest on mon

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stuarta:

it did the DB update while the BE was running (ooops!)

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stuarta:

but there after, the seeking and lockup issues i'd been seeing vanished

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stuarta:

and it was much faster...

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Merlin83b:

Are you using MyISAM or InnoDB?

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stuarta:

MyISAM

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justinh:

I didn't even know you had a choice of engines til now :)

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stuarta:

welcome to the fun world of being a DBA

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fryfrog:

how hard is it to change to innodb? you can switch in place, right?

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Merlin83b:

justinh: There are more than just those two, too :)

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Merlin83b:

fryfrog: Just an ALTER TABLE

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stuarta:

lets not even talk about the clustering engine ;)

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Merlin83b:

Oh, maybe not.

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Merlin83b:

Look like a dump and restore.

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Merlin83b:

The MySQL clustering engine is quite nice.

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stuarta:

no it's an ALTER iirc

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justinh:

maybe it's not wise to even talk about how to do it here ;)

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stuarta:

ever tried importing a dump of mythconverg into it????

[16:01:57]

justinh:

there's always some fool who'll try it

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Merlin83b:

Nope, not used it for home stuff at all.

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stuarta:

i did for fun

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stuarta:

barf, tweak, repeat x20

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justinh:

then we'll see "help! my database bwoked!"

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Merlin83b:

Heh

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stuarta:

tune engine, -> barf, tweak, repeat x20

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stuarta:

Merlin83b: you use NDB in production?

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Merlin83b:

Nah, just had a play with it on work stuff. Nothing in production yet.

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stuarta:

i currently wouldn't like to use it in production.

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stuarta:

not quite ready is my feeling

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Merlin83b:

Seemed to go okay for me, but we didn't really stress it, it was basically a matter of get it up and running and that was that.

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stuarta:

i'm interested in seeing how well big DB's work compared to a single instance

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justinh:

argghhh our sarnie company has quit!

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stuarta:

NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

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justinh:

to be replaced by a vastly inferior supplier :(

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stuarta:

no wagon's around the corner?

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justinh:

nah, daresbury is way to porsh for that

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justinh:

gonna miss them sarnies – they were ace

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justinh:

quid fifty, for a baguette bursting with fillings

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Dr_willis:

That sounds... hmm... dirty.. :)

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justinh:

we had the firm who are gonna be replacing them for one week last year when they were on hold

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justinh:

*hols

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justinh:

2.50 GBP a sarnie, caked in margarine & skimpy, soggy fillings

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justinh:

ah well, we'll just go elsewhere

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justinh:

Stockton Heath, home of the pretty ladies who make nice lunches

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rsdvd:

justinh : take your own?

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justinh:

I usually do, but when we run late at home...

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rsdvd:

:-)

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justinh:

tempted to send an email reply asking what happened to the current sarnie peeps

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justinh:

done

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ghotiboy1:

hi...quick question about mythmusic...does anyone here know how to scan for new music from the command line?

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justinh:

you can't do that

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ghotiboy1:

crap

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ghotiboy1:

i have podcasts that i want included in mythmusic since I don't like the mythstream interface very much

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Hoxzer_:

Am I drunken

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stuarta:

ghotiboy1: then time to start coding

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ghotiboy1:

hahahahah

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** stuarta lobs Hoxzer_ another beer **

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justinh:

you could look into the db structure & try to make a little script (perl or suchlike) to do that

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ghotiboy1:

k...good idea

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justinh:

it won't be that hard and if you're nice about it folks could help

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justinh:

then you could end up submitting your script for everybody's benefit :)

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ghotiboy1:

i'm adept at Perl and such...just sucky at c++

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justinh:

perl's about my level at the moment too

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ghotiboy1:

i went to school when C was the language of choice

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ghotiboy1:

2 years later, they switched to C++

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ghotiboy1:

doh!

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justinh:

C is still the choice of the company I work at

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justinh:

and java (bleugh!)

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** ghotiboy1 pulls up mysql administrator **

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justinh:

ghotiboy1: while you're developing it, I recommend you don't run it on a live mythtv database – just in case ;)

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ghotiboy1:

good point

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justinh:

e.g. copy mythconverg to another database & operate on the copy til you know it's good

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Merlin83b:

Give what that company does justinh, I can understand C being used.

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justinh:

Merlin83b: how so? see I dunno the real differences between C & C++

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Merlin83b:

Well, either would be fine. Systems level stuff, I was thinking.

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justinh:

maybe RTOS stuff with C++ on top is just too messy

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stuarta:

too heavy

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mishehu:

Justice: c++ is kinda like c where you merge structs with functions, and make it so they can inherit.

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mishehu:

gah

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mishehu:

didn't see he left, and silly nick completion

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mishehu:

donno who Justice is, but s/he is sorely lacking in this world! heh.

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ghotiboy1:

how does an action in the xml config file translate to a library/whatever call in the code?

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** ghotiboy1 cringes, waiting for the flames **

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justinh:

grr

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nelius:

help: my mythfrontend says, that all inputs are in use, but they are not... what can i do?

[17:17:43]

gbee:

restart the backend?

[17:18:26]

nelius:

dosn't work

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nelius:

i allready reinstalled the dvb input card, but this also didn't help

[17:19:11]

nelius:

for some reason mythtv thinks, that the input is in use, but i have no idea why

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fryfrog:

what does status say?

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nelius:

well, the backend crashes if i try so view the status

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fryfrog:

oh :(

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fryfrog:

is this on a new setup?

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fryfrog:

or just sponaniously started on an existing one?

[17:24:29]

nelius:

no, it was working the day before yesterday

[17:24:42]

nelius:

i changed nothing, i have no clue what this is

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fryfrog:

can you see the status with mythweb instead?

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fryfrog:

or, if mythweb is what is crashing it, using a fe instead?

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nelius:

mhh at the moment is mythweb just says noting about the encoders, its an empty box

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nelius:

but in mythtv-setup i can see that the card is configured

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nelius:

fryfrog: u're there?

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fryfrog:

yeah, but eating and working :/

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** cesman has a pcHDTV 5500 to give away at SCALE! **

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GreyFoxx:

netstat -antu | grep LISTEN

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GreyFoxx:

do you see :6546 in ther e?

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daviey:

631?

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GreyFoxx:

6546

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daviey:

no

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GreyFoxx:

that means you don't have the frontends telnet controls enabled

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GreyFoxx:

so you can';t use that for remote controls

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GreyFoxx:

You could run x11vnc if you have it installed, then VNC to it

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daviey:

doh, is that a compile issue or a console switch?

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GreyFoxx:

It's a config option in the frontends setup menus

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daviey:

:(

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daviey:

x11vnc it is

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GreyFoxx:

x11vnc -display :0

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GreyFoxx:

then VNC to the host

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daviey:

;)

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GreyFoxx:

My kid hides my remote if she doesn't want me to turn off her shows

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GreyFoxx:

so I have several ways to remote control from my laptop

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daviey:

haha, to be fair my 2 year old is sat on my lap asleep (shes unwell) so i don't really want to move

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GreyFoxx:

VNC, telnet controls, or a commandline app that someone in here wrote that uses the telnet controls and just traps your keypresses and sends them to the frontend. IT apparently also compiles under windows natively thought I've never tried that

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GreyFoxx:

Been there :) My little one will be 3 in April :)

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onewheelskyward:

hehe that's an enterprising munchkin, there.

[17:45:02]

GreyFoxx:

onewheelskyward: She also knows when it's close to the end of one of her shows and asks about watching abnother one before this one ends heh

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daviey:

x11vnc has done it

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onewheelskyward:

Damn, that's pretty smart. Getting ahead of the game.

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daviey:

now; deal or no deal or neighbours?

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GreyFoxx:

onewheelskyward: heh yeah, if she knows I want to change it she will take the remote and quietly lay it next to her mother so it's not where I expect it hehe

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GreyFoxx:

She LOVES the mythvideo gallery

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GreyFoxx:

I scroll through and when she sees a poster of one of her movies she tells which which you wants :)

[17:46:38]

daviey:

my one know exactly what button turns the tv on/off. If she wants to play; she switches it off!

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GreyFoxx:

which she wants

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GreyFoxx:

My machine spends more time recording (and expiring) shows for her than anything for me :)

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GreyFoxx:

myth+show limits+auto expire rock

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nelius:

how can i view my recorded movies?

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GreyFoxx:

nelius: Something you recorded with myth? Go to Watch Recordings

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nelius:

if i go to the recordings section in fe, i can only see the recordings from lifetv

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GreyFoxx:

nelius: Hit M

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daviey:

nelius, are you the guy from the other day??

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GreyFoxx:

then change the group filter to default or all depending on what you want

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GreyFoxx:

I love reecording groups

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nelius:

ah, ok thats it

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GreyFoxx:

all of my daughters stuff is in it's own group

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nelius:

ic, now i got the concept

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** quicksil1er steals GreyFoxx's apostrophes **

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GreyFoxx:

quicksil1er: I am bad for overusing them :)

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daviey:

i have a thing for semi-colons this week

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nelius:

daviey: yepp

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nelius:

but now i solved my backend problem

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GreyFoxx:

The worst thing about myth in every room is that my daughter knows for a fact that I CAN put on any of her shows at anytime. So I can't just say "It's not on yet" heh

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nelius:

it was one of my best problems...

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nelius:

usermod -G <groupname> removes all groups and just sets the new groupnames...

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nelius:

so i removed the mythtv user from the video group w.o. noticing.

[17:52:06]

nelius:

and mythtv user had no permissions for my dvb-card

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daviey:

ahh

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nelius:

for some reason this took effect just a day after my changes

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nelius:

and as my myth-backend runs in a xen domU debuging myth is a bit compicated...

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nelius:

but now it's working again, thx for your patience

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hjohnson:

hmm.. I wonder if my machine has the oomph to transcode mpeg2 to H.264 in real-time at decent video quality.

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nelius:

and remeber: if you want to add a user to a group use "usermod -a -G <groupname> " :-)

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daviey:

mythtv over wireless g seems fine

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onewheelskyward:

It should be, wireless g has plenty of bandwidth.

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daviey:

we had a discussion the other day and people weren't certain

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onewheelskyward:

I'm not sure about b, though. I think it theoretically has the room for it, but whether or not it actually works is another matter. :)

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Aurelius_:

are there known issues with Library API version: 0.20.20060828–3

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Aurelius_:

err

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Aurelius_:

paste mangled my line :)

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Aurelius_:

lemme try agani

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Aurelius_:

heh

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Aurelius_:

are there known issues with Library API version: 0.20.20060828–3, with regards to having issues handling large recordings?

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onewheelskyward:

I don't have an answer for you , but how large are your recordings and what kind of issue are you having?

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fryfrog:

no clue on what library version i have, but i have seen 14G recordings from 2 hours shows/movies on my system

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fryfrog:

maybe 18G

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Aurelius_:

well, the majority of the slots i've got recording are 30–60 minute spots, but we have a 4 hour spot early in the morning, and it seems to be dying during that

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onewheelskyward:

Is that HD?

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fryfrog:

yes

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Aurelius_:

though i'm researching a little more, and it seems to not be that maybe...

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fryfrog:

oh, me not him

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fryfrog:

er, him not me :)

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Aurelius_:

no, analog

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Aurelius_:

i don't have any sig11's in my syslog, so it doesn't seem to be bad hardware causing a crash, and mythbackend doesn't really log enough to tell what's going on

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Aurelius_:

is there a way to really turn verbosity up?

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fryfrog:

on the backend, -v all

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fryfrog:

or -v help to see the different options

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Aurelius_:

http://www.offsitebackups.net/myth.txt

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onewheelskyward:

hmm, I've never done a recording longer than 2 hours.

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Aurelius_:

at 2007-02–07 06:00:02 it died today

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Aurelius_:

so the 4 hour recording actually worked

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onewheelskyward:

What time did the recording start?

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Aurelius_:

but it never made it to the transcoding

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Aurelius_:

2007-02–07 02:00:03

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Aurelius_:

hrm

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Aurelius_:

i don't see a "recording ended"

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Aurelius_:

or "finished recording" heh

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Aurelius_:

this is just bizarre

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Aurelius_:

not everything seems to be logged

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hardnova:

time for breakfast :P

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Aurelius_:

hrm, that's cuz i had it set to max of 100 / module

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Aurelius_:

well, this is indeed frustrating

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onewheelskyward:

What's set to 100/module?

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Aurelius_:

mythlog

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Aurelius_:

it deleted older messages from modules with > 100 entries in the log

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Aurelius_:

i've changed that now to disable that feature

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onewheelskyward:

aaah

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onewheelskyward:

Gotchya. That plus adding verbose logging should help you figure it out.

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Aurelius_:

i'm kinda concerned that it's not even logging a "quitting" message

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Aurelius_:

not even in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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onewheelskyward:

Well, chances are one of the commands it's running is causing a crash. If you can isolate what happens just before the exit, it could give you a clue.

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onewheelskyward:

It might even be the transcode.

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Aurelius_:

hm

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Aurelius_:

so add -v all to the backend startup?

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onewheelskyward:

Does -v all include -v debug

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onewheelskyward:

?

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onewheelskyward:

nm, there doesn't appear to be a debug. -v all should do it.

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Aurelius_:

ok

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onewheelskyward:

If you have a startup script, you can set it in there.

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Fifth:

anyone have trouble with sound not playing from mythtv? when I watch TV or what I recorded, no sound whatsoever. Worked last night. And when I play what i recorded in mplayer, it plays sound fine

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onewheelskyward:

That'll do it.

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onewheelskyward:

Firefox holds on to it if you have flash installed.

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xris:

onewheelskyward: so does the backend itself sometimes.

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xris:

helps to install a software mixer

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onewheelskyward:

like dmix?

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xris:

no idea. fedora does it automatically for me, or I use a card with a hardware mixer

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daviey:

omg, just found 25gb in orphaned recordings!!!

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esperegu:

do I really have to install samba to stream data from mythnv in vlc?

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psofa:

its not like you have to dig :P

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esperegu:

hehe.

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psofa:

iirc you can via upnp

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Aurelius_:

wow, -v all is noisy :)

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Aurelius_:

i like

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psofa:

if vlc supports it

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esperegu:

psofa: why can't apache stream it ?

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psofa:

esperegu, ah you can stream via mythweb also

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onewheelskyward:

wooboy.

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esperegu:

psofa: how? cause it is not showing anything here...

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esperegu:

I have links like: myth://10.90.1.59:6543/1035_20070204162700.nuv

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psofa:

well dont ask me, im just giving out ideas :P

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esperegu:

and when I click it it opens vlc and then nothing.

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psofa:

ive never tried any single one of them

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esperegu:

hmm.f

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psofa:

:)

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esperegu:

=)

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psofa:

i just use samba

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GlemSom:

When using mplayer as player in mythtv to play DVDs – what could be causing that I cannot send any keypresses to mplayer... I cannot even stop it from playing – I have to hit ctrl+alt+backspace to exit xorg and restart mythtv

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GreyFoxx:

GlemSom: Sounds like you are not using a window manager and therefore have nothing ensuring focus is correct

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GlemSom:

GreyFoxx, I'm using evilem

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gbee:

GlemSom: out of curiousity, any reason you're using mplayer instead of the internal player?

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onewheelskyward:

Am I crazy for trying to install a custom compiled myth over my FC6 packages? I'm working on getting my IR blaster running, and my lirc lib and devel packages are mismatched versions.

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GlemSom:

gbee, With mplayer I can play DVDs with surroundsound (AC3) – I'm not able to do what with the internal player

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gbee:

ahh

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jeffmeden:

hola

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jeffmeden:

anyone know of a way to adjust sound preferences on a simple video capture card?

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justinh:

evenin

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jeffmeden:

hello

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onewheelskyward:

jeffmeden: You mean like playback volume?

[19:23:17]

jeffmeden:

no i mean on the card itself

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stuarta:

evening

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jeffmeden:

the volume that the sound comes from the capture card

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jeffmeden:

i need to turn it down b/c its clipping real bad

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jeffmeden:

but cant find a volume control fo the capture card itself

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justinh:

jeffmeden: if it's a v4l framegrabber card, you can use v4lctl sometimes

[19:24:05]

jeffmeden:

im looking at v4l2-ctl and it doesnt mention sound in the overview

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jeffmeden:

i need to keep digging probably

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justinh:

is it a framegrabber card?

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jeffmeden:

speaking of that tool, does it report the true card capabilites? b/c it shows the tuner runs at 320x240

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justinh:

320x240 may be about right

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jeffmeden:

its a leadtek winfast card

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jeffmeden:

uber cheap

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justinh:

my first dabbling with tuner cards saw me trying to capture at 768x576 & it just wouldn't happen even with huffyuv without dropping loads of frames

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jeffmeden:

i have it running at 640x480 and it looks okay

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justinh:

if the card doesn't do audio capture onboard why not just change the recording volume in $linux-mixer ?

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jeffmeden:

but if its only coming in at 240 lines i could save a ton of space

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justinh:

jeffmeden: experiment with different capture resolutions if you like but be careful you don't totally screw up the settings

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jeffmeden:

yeah

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jeffmeden:

i tried turning the volume way down on the sound card

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justinh:

use whatever you feel you can live with

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jeffmeden:

but thats only one half of it

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jeffmeden:

and it still clips real bad

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justinh:

jeffmeden: you've not plugged it into a mic input have you?

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jeffmeden:

no

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jeffmeden:

i have the mic input disabled

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jeffmeden:

unless its mislabeled in alsa

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jeffmeden:

thats a good point

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jeffmeden:

i wonder if ive somehow got mic boost turned on

[19:28:23]

justinh:

unusual, a tv tuner being too hot for a line input, to be sure ;)

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jeffmeden:

its a cheap onboard sound card

[19:28:41]

justinh:

ah

[19:28:48]

jeffmeden:

intel 82801 ICH5

[19:29:01]

justinh:

you might only be able to mute/unmute the tuner's audio

[19:29:06]

jeffmeden:

works well enough, the recorded sound just sucks because of the clipping

[19:29:11]

jeffmeden:

when people talk soft on tv its great

[19:29:12]

jeffmeden:

lol

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jeffmeden:

and any other media like dvds or divxs play fine

[19:29:43]

jeffmeden:

thanks for the advice

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jeffmeden:

gotta jet

[19:32:56]

daviey:

On recorded playback my Reds are Appearing blue, what could be causing this?

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justinh:

daviey: buggy video drivers

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daviey:

juski, i'm using fglrx

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justinh:

and I know you're gonna say "ah but vlc, xine & mplayer aren't affected...", but it's still apparently a video driver problem. it can be worked around but only by modifying the mythtv source (one line of videooutput.cpp) and building it yerself

[19:36:02]

daviey:

juski, i wasn't going to say that but i think i will now

[19:36:10]

daviey:

works fine in vlc

[19:36:18]

daviey:

:P

[19:36:20]

justinh:

unless of course some enterprising chap has made packages with the patch....

[19:36:26]

kormoc:

justinh, toss it in the wiki

[19:36:34]

justinh:

why me?

[19:36:39]

daviey:

because

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kormoc:

justinh, cause you know what it is

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daviey:

juski, has it been raised as a bug?

[19:37:48]

justinh:

daviey: I think so, but the people involved have said it's a bug in the drivers

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justinh:

happens with some nvidia drivers & most if not all intel drivers too allegedly

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kormoc:

justinh, ha! way to change nicks on me :P

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** kormoc blinks **

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daviey:

then it's clearly a problem with myth!

[19:38:30]

justinh:

daviey: not necessarily

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kormoc:

justinh, what does it require to show up?

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justinh:

kormoc: no idea about the nvidia drivers, but prevalent on IEGD (Intel binary)

[19:39:12]

justinh:

and ATI

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daviey:

as you said, odd it's only shows in myth and not other apps

[19:39:49]

justinh:

I think somebody opened a ticket for it and it got closed again

[19:39:58]

justinh:

daviey: different output methods

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justinh:

it's a workaround, not a fix AFAICT

[19:40:47]

justinh:

Uncomment //#define USE_HACK_FOR_BROKEN_I420_SUPPORT_IN_DRIVER from libs/libmythtv/videoout_xv.cpp

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GreyFoxx:

daviey: It's a bug in the Interl and ATI drivers

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justinh:

in the code I checked, the line talks about ATI not I420

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justinh:

I can't remember the specific reason it doesn't show up in other players, but IIRC it has a lot to do with output methods

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GreyFoxx:

The problem is that the driver is reporting to us that it can handle I420 format when in fact it can't

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daviey:

i see

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GreyFoxx:

Other players default to a different format

[19:42:26]

GreyFoxx:

so that hack forces us to skip I420 even if the card says it supports it

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justinh:

just an observation here, not a criticism – but why couldn't mythtv's code be changed to just ignore I420 anyway?

[19:43:22]

GreyFoxx:

I think we default to I420 but mplayer defaults to YV12

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daviey:

I wish my card was supported by the Open Source driver

[19:43:37]

justinh:

is it more efficient to use it if present?

[19:43:53]

GreyFoxx:

justinh: Not 100% sure, but I think it's less work to use I420. No need to convert between yuv layouts

[19:44:12]

daviey:

but is compatibility more important than efficiency?

[19:44:30]

GreyFoxx:

No ?

[19:44:37]

GreyFoxx:

Depends on if you are affected by it or not :)

[19:44:41]

justinh:

depends on your outlook I suppose ;)

[19:45:02]

GreyFoxx:

It forces the bug out into the daylight so maybe they will fix it

[19:45:11]

daviey:

Some players give you the option of changing in in realtime; no re-encoding. Why doesn't myth

[19:45:35]

justinh:

why does myth have such demanding users?

[19:45:40]

GreyFoxx:

daviey: Where do they give you the option?

[19:45:46]

daviey:

sorry, i mean't re-compiling not re-encoding

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daviey:

hmm, i'm sure i have seen it in mplayer

[19:46:04]

justinh:

oh you mean another setup screen... :-|

[19:46:20]

daviey:

yes!! setup screens kick ass

[19:46:32]

justinh:

myth already has way more than 160

[19:46:35]

daviey:

Do we know what googles summer of code; should bring this year?

[19:46:47]

justinh:

fuck all, basically the same as last year?

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GreyFoxx:

I don't image we will do that again

[19:46:54]

GreyFoxx:

major waste of time

[19:47:04]

daviey:

it was free though

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GreyFoxx:

almost every student submitted nothing

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justinh:

I mean I could promise to deliver a rewrite of the UI code...

[19:47:32]

justinh:

it'll be submitted a week next Tuesday, promise ;)

[19:47:33]

stuarta:

or 5 themes

[19:47:42]

daviey:

When i did my sandwich job at uni; i did the same ;(

[19:48:21]

justinh:

stuarta: nobody has enough ram to develop 5 of my themes in one lump :)

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kormoc:

daviey, it did cost tho, it took dev's time and energy to deal with the students, and there wasn't much gained from it at all

[19:48:36]

daviey:

actually i did submit an adequate solution, but it wasn't as good as i hoped

[19:48:40]

** kormoc peers at the 64 gigs of ram server **

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justinh:

some benefit will come to mythweb eventually & maybe commflagging code IIRC

[19:49:54]

kormoc:

justinh, mythweb's doubtful, Xris and I are both sorta both pondering just doing the work ourselves, as his tree is getting rather stale

[19:50:09]

justinh:

oh hell.. there goes my optimism again

[19:50:44]

justinh:

it's all you developers, with your arrogant attitudes... pffft I dunno ;)

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** kormoc laughs **

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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fryfrog:

talkin bout teh SoC?

[19:51:33]

fryfrog:

gallery's SoC the first year went decently, 2nd year SoC went not so as good

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justinh:

when I start doing my next dig into t' source code I warn you now, some coaching will be needed. "what's a class again?"

[19:52:31]

xris:

daviey: "this year" as in 2007? I don't know if mythtv will be interested in participating again.

[19:53:04]

daviey:

Thats a shame

[19:53:14]

fryfrog:

its a lot of work, especially since most of the applicants haven't even *touched* gallery (or mythtv)

[19:53:15]

xris:

don't think we got any good out of it.

[19:53:22]

daviey:

trouble is, very few uni's focus on c++ these days

[19:53:49]

justinh:

I was mulling over the stuff I've been thinking about trying to do while I was driving into work – suddenly realised it's gonna need serious timing mechanisms especially if other stuff like mfd comes on apace

[19:53:56]

hjohnson:

daviey: heh, my favourite topic.. :) to me, universities shouldn't be in the buisness of teaching languages. <G>

[19:54:06]

hjohnson:

(but then, i suppose i'm an ivory-tower weenie)

[19:54:18]

daviey:

hjohnson, why not?

[19:54:21]

justinh:

I can't just do a 1. draw button.. 2. get keypress.. 3. start to move button for... while... ;)

[19:54:43]

daviey:

goto 10

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gbee:

hmm, my email is getting slow

[19:54:50]

hjohnson:

daviey: because teaching technologies is a dead end.. the technology should just be a tool to teach the broader concepts that underly the way we do things...

[19:54:53]

hjohnson:

if that makes any sense.

[19:55:05]

hjohnson:

because that is adaptable to any language and any design.

[19:55:06]

justinh:

hjohnson: I get that

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daviey:

hjohnson, but if you can code c++ you can do any modern language

[19:55:18]

hjohnson:

the language is just a tool to express the concept.

[19:55:54]

daviey:

true, but are you suggesting they only teach pseudo-code?

[19:56:07]

kormoc:

daviey, the problem is, so many people think they can code when they just don't understand the concepts behind it, and thus, suck major

[19:56:14]

hjohnson:

daviey: i'm sugesting they do mathamtics, deisgn architecture, and what not, and let the students do it in whatever language they want.

[19:56:19]

justinh:

hjohnson: depends on the language. e.g. not everything is object oriented etc..

[19:56:25]

hjohnson:

justinh: well, of course.

[19:56:40]

hjohnson:

but i'd be happy if OO classes and what not were say taught smaltalk 80 or something.

[19:56:54]

daviey:

justinh, providing it isn't a logic language OO concepts can be ported to any language

[19:56:55]

justinh:

I think there's still too much learning by rote in education these days

[19:57:13]

kormoc:

daviey, what about languages that don't support OOP?

[19:57:14]

daviey:

rote?

[19:57:23]

hjohnson:

kormoc: you can still apply the concepts..

[19:57:30]

hjohnson:

iv'e done OOish designs in C for example..

[19:57:32]

justinh:

daviey: just stuffing people full of info & getting them to regurgitate it on command

[19:57:38]

gbee:

it's what many employers apparently want, they want kids straight from uni with the understanding of the principals – but they prefer to teach those students their own style (and bad habits)

[19:57:47]

daviey:

kormoc, if you can code in OO, do you think you could easily learn other concepts?

[19:58:22]

justinh:

I can just about get my head around OO, but where I really fall down is inheritance & crap like that

[19:58:31]

kormoc:

daviey, I've meet people who can't

[19:58:35]

daviey:

justinh, i agree about the 'regurgitate'; thats exactly what it is. Modern students have no technology imagination.

[19:58:57]

hjohnson:

justinh: just think of it this way..

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daviey:

justinh, inheritance is simple. Just think of it as inheriting the status/properties and variables of the class above it

[19:59:37]

justinh:

learning should for the most part be about training people to think for themselves in an original way, to solve problems by whatever means at their disposal – because that's what real life is like

[19:59:55]

hjohnson:

a quadrelateral is a polygon with 4 sides... a parallelogram is a quadrelateral with 2 pairs of equal length sides, a rectangle is a parallelogram where the corners are all 90 degrees, a square is a rectangle with 4 equal sides.

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hjohnson:

that's basically inheritance.

[20:00:07]

gbee:

justinh: it took me a while, I must say that I couldn't understand the benefits at all – it didn't initially seem any different to the proceedural stuff I'd started with, just more work if anything – but after working with OOP for a while it suddenly became clear :)

[20:00:14]

daviey:

hjohnson, please can you complicate it further?

[20:00:23]

hjohnson:

so a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle is not a square.

[20:00:26]

justinh:

yeah my brain is totally procedural

[20:00:44]

justinh:

that's what machine coding education does to you

[20:00:48]

daviey:

i wish every programme was monolithic

[20:01:00]

** kormoc blinks **

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hjohnson:

heh

[20:01:21]

daviey:

no for or while loops; we need "if x then goto 10" ;p

[20:01:21]

hjohnson:

admitedly, i like writing c for bare iron.

[20:01:37]

justinh:

daviey: it'd make doing something like mythtv pretty rock hard

[20:01:42]

hjohnson:

anyhow.. lunch

[20:01:47]

kormoc:

daviey, the linux kernel is monolithic, and it has for and while loops :P

[20:01:51]

justinh:

aye time for curry :)

[20:02:06]

justinh:

starvin' marvin here

[20:02:13]

daviey:

juski, writing mythtv rocks the casber

[20:02:23]

psofa:

are intel integrated gfx okay for myth?

[20:02:42]

psofa:

lappy ones to be specific

[20:02:56]

kormoc:

psofa, could try and see

[20:03:10]

psofa:

like buy the lappy and see ? :P

[20:03:17]

kormoc:

indeed

[20:03:28]

kormoc:

just return it if it's not what you like

[20:03:49]

psofa:

greece is a fucked up country

[20:03:50]

gbee:

ffs, where has my email gone?

[20:03:50]

daviey:

thats what i did ;) only thing that doesn't work is bluetooth and i have to use the closed source ati driver

[20:04:05]

psofa:

kormoc, if you buy sth and open it

[20:04:06]

daviey:

gbee, i have your email here, i'm sat on it

[20:04:09]

psofa:

you are stuck with it

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kormoc:

psofa, just open it very carefully and shrink wrap it back up :P

[20:04:38]

psofa:

unless ofc you throw it off the window

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gbee:

!trout daviey

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** MythLogBot slaps daviey with a trout on behalf of gbee... **

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psofa:

kormoc, the bastards have protective tapes :P

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kormoc:

sad

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null_:

Hello. What could be the problem if I just see squares instead of characters when I run mythtv-setup through a ssh -X connection?

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stuarta:

missing fonts

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null_:

hm good point, which ones would I need?

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daviey:

or wrong language setting

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psofa:

null_, echo $LC_ALL

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null_:

not set, but locale says it's posix

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null_:

I don't have a /usr/share/fonts directory on the machine that actually runs mythtv-setup, so I guess this is the problem

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psofa:

i suppose its fonts then

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doc_:

mmmm...

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doc_:

has anyone a frontend with nfs and pxe ?

[20:13:56]

gandalfcome:

I have trouble with my xbox mythtv frontend. when I start the frontend multiple instannces of mythfrontend are running

[20:14:14]

gandalfcome:

please help

[20:14:36]

gandalfcome:

is it normal that mythfrontend runs multiple instances of itself?

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GreyFoxx:

gandalfcome: No, but you will seen each of the threads appearing as seperate processes

[20:16:35]

gandalfcome:

GreyFoxx: so its okay to have 3 threads for example?

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GreyFoxx:

It is expected yes

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GreyFoxx:

my main frontend at home, which is right now playing something is showing 9

[20:17:47]

gandalfcome:

GreyFoxx: eg xebian:~# pidof mythfrontend

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GreyFoxx:

It all depends on the version of kernel and threading libraries on your machine whether or not they show up in ps or not

[20:18:42]

gandalfcome:

GreyFoxx: and mythfrontend(only loading the frontend takes half a minute) on the xbox is slow as hell is that normal?

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justinh:

gandalfcome: normal for any machine that only has 32MB of usable RAM no doubt

[20:19:19]

GreyFoxx:

gandalfcome: I believe so since the original xbox has very very little ram

[20:19:28]

gandalfcome:

GreyFoxx: as this is for my parents, are there clients which they just switch on and they are ready and usable within 30 secs or so?

[20:19:51]

gandalfcome:

justinh: i thought xbox had 64

[20:19:59]

justinh:

xbox indeed has 64MB

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GreyFoxx:

gandalfcome: Takes 20 seconds or less to boot all of my frontends from power button to myth ready to go

[20:20:05]

justinh:

32MB goes to the GPU

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GreyFoxx:

depends on your distro, and the hardware you are using

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null_:

use initng ;-)

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gandalfcome:

GreyFoxx: what kind of hardware do you have

[20:20:43]

gandalfcome:

im very interested

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GreyFoxx:

gandalfcome: Most of my frontends are msntv2's hacked to run linux, netbooting from my fileserver

[20:21:10]

GreyFoxx:

but even my "regular" pc frontend takes less than 30 seconds

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justinh:

might be nice if folks start posting init scripts to the wikiwiki one day :)

[20:21:50]

gandalfcome:

server works like a charm but the mythfrontend is very slow. im in germany so I probably cant msn2tv

[20:22:01]

gandalfcome:

null_: whats initng

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GreyFoxx:

gandalfcome: You can get the S100 which is almost hardware identical

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justinh:

gandalfcome: you guys have the t-online s100

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GreyFoxx:

in fact it's a better choice than the msntv2

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null_:

gandalfcome: a replacement for the init-system, *much* faster, boots up in about 15 seconds

[20:22:30]

justinh:

and zenslack which comes ready-made with mythtv 'packages'

[20:23:14]

justinh:

the one snag with zenslack being that the backend has to be the same version

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gandalfcome:

null_: how do I implement it in my xbox?

[20:23:47]

justinh:

gandalfcome: a lot of reading up. you have to know about what the init process needs to do

[20:23:49]

null_:

gandalfcome: I don't know, I don't have one, but I think it'll use the sysvinit system like most other distributions...

[20:24:13]

null_:

gandalfcome: however I doubt that this will speed up your boot process with only 32 megs of ram...

[20:24:16]

heanol:

for the music and video plugins for myth.. are the locations for the music / video on the server or frontend?

[20:24:43]

justinh:

heanol: all but mythvideo look for files locally

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heanol:

mythmusic too?

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justinh:

well actually all the plugins look for files locally

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gandalfcome:

okay guys what do you recommend, hacking the xbox further or trying the s100 (theres one on ebay in an hour for 50 euros)

[20:25:11]

gandalfcome:

I just need something fast and stable

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gandalfcome:

which doesnt take too much time to set up

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justinh:

heanol: but with mythvideo, the file paths aren't stored on a per-frontend basis

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null_:

gandalfcome: get decent hardware for more money, then you'll have a rock-solid frontend

[20:25:39]

gandalfcome:

null_: no s100?

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heanol:

justinh, so i should mount up my videos and music on each frontend?

[20:25:54]

justinh:

heanol: I'd advise you to store all the stuff in one place & mount it with NFS to the 'same' location on all the boxes

[20:25:59]

heanol:

yeah.

[20:26:19]

justinh:

took me quite a while to figure out what was going on with mythvideo ;)

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fysa:

are the RM4100s worth getting now?

[20:26:29]

null_:

gandalfcome: I don't know about the s100, maybe that could work, but I think you'd better get some cheap standard pc hardware

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sinnlos:

hello

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justinh:

null_: the s100 makes a much more capable frontend than the xbox, believe me (I have 2)

[20:27:24]

null_:

justinh: ok, don't know about them... but I think if it shouldn't take too long to set it up it isn't the right decision, is it?

[20:27:30]

justinh:

I put gentoo on mine a while ago & netbooted it

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justinh:

eh? if it doesn't take too long to set up it's not the right decision? wtf would that rationale be based on then?

[20:29:54]

opello:

learning is wrong, obviously

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gandalfcome:

justinh: I am leaving this country in just about 2 weeks and have a lot on my finger tips. The server is setup perfectly I just need a frontend thats quite painless and perhaps with good tutorials. the xbox worked good to setup buty its too damn slow

[20:30:14]

null_:

justinh: possible, never looked for them...

[20:30:47]

justinh:

if you put your brain into gear, neglecting the need to do *some* hardware hacking it's not a major job

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gandalfcome:

justinh: okay lets say I buy this s100 (how much faster than an xbox is this) do I need anything else?

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justinh:

but considering some people manage to mess up building a PC...

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gandalfcome:

justinh: i dont mind hardware hacking as long as its well documented

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gandalfcome:

justinh: sort of "well"

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justinh:

gandalfcome: the hardware hacking involves making one cable

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justinh:

a cable you can buy from ebay I believe

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gandalfcome:

justinh: seems easy enough. what do I need the cable for?

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gandalfcome:

justinh: thanks man bye the way

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gandalfcome:

null_: thanks for helping I think im trying s100

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justinh:

you need the cable so it can output on a VGA monitor, which you need to set the BIOS options to boot from the right device

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gandalfcome:

justinh: how fast is this thing?

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justinh:

IIRC they even have an IRC channel #zenega

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justinh:

733Mhz celeron, 128MB RAM

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justinh:

it's essentially just an all-in-one motherboard with TV out, LAN, USB, IDE, remote control sensor... in a nice looking little box

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justinh:

gandalfcome: check out www.zenega-user.de

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gandalfcome:

and its way faster than the xbox (the specs sound like xbox)

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justinh:

put it this way gandalfcome I don't consider mythtv on xebian to be usable

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justinh:

it's way too slow

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gandalfcome:

justinh: then we are 2 people considering this

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daviey:

juski, you don't use it as a fe anymore tho?

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sinnlos:

hello, i have a error after install the ubuntu version 0.2 of mythtv http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/7374/

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gandalfcome:

justinh: so is mfe "usable" on the s100?

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justinh:

daviey: we have a rule in our house... we have 2 tvs.. one in the computer room for playing xbox games & the other is in the livingroom. the s100 was an interesting exercise

[20:35:42]

justinh:

gandalfcome: yes it is. it's surprisingly snappy

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daviey:

sinnlos, tried rebooting or just running mythbackend to see if it works

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justinh:

gandalfcome: the week before last I installed slack on the s100 & was playing back SDTV with less than 50% CPU usage

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sinnlos:

well i reboot :/

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daviey:

juski, under the thumb. Mind you the misses threw out a 28" crt tv over the weekend that i could have throttled her for

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justinh:

daviey: and of course the s100 caused a hell of a buzz running mythtv at lugradiolive

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justinh:

daviey: the day we need to have a tv in the bedroom for entertainment...

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daviey:

juski, under the thumb. Mind you the misses threw out a 28" crt tv over the weekend that i could have throttled her for

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justinh:

not under the thumb at all. I don't wanna watch telly in bed

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daviey:

sorry, laptop and up button too close together

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daviey:

did you go to lugradiolive?

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justinh:

did I go? I was exhibiting

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gandalfcome:

justinh: okay why the hell do you get an performance increase with just +64 mb?

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justinh:

gandalfcome: I dunno, you just do

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daviey:

maybe that's enough to avoid swapping

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justinh:

it might help if you don't use a memory hogging theme of course :-P

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gandalfcome:

justinh: Its switched of and you switch it on. how long does it take until you can watch tv (minus your reaction time to press a button)

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daviey:

juski, other than s100; what were you showing?

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justinh:

gandalfcome: I didn't time it, but with zenslack it was under 30s

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justinh:

daviey: mythtv on a regular PC

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justinh:

my only spare box, which is an athlon 800

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justinh:

and a heavy 19" CRT monitor. not the most snazzy of kit but we drew a lot of punters

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justinh:

I'm too skint right now to even contemplate exhibiting this year

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justinh:

hey isn't it about the time SCALE is going on in the USA?

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justinh:

almost...

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Puh_:

how can i open the teletext page?

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daviey:

some USA'ers wanted lugradiolive to be in the US this year

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null_:

funny, 3 harddisks of the same type died in the last 30 minutes... no way to tell me that this is not a fault in the production :-p

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Puh_:

keys.txt says that pressing 'T' should open teletext but for me it only toggles dvb subtitles on/off

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daviey:

Puh_, get a 2 year old daughter to lean on the keyboard. Thats the only time i have done it

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Puh_:

:)

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justinh:

daviey: yeah well I have erm.. reservations about exhibiting again, so we'll have to wait & see a) if anybody offers stand space and b) if anybody else steps up to the mantle

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daviey:

Puh_, do you mean dvb teletext or standard

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daviey:

do we have a date / location yet?

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justinh:

daviey: for what?

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justinh:

for LRL? no idea

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Puh_:

well i have dvb tuners .. does it carry standard teletext pages at all?

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Puh_:

or is it only on analog transmission?

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justinh:

Puh_: most likely no, but a quick look at keys.txt will tell you which keys do what in mythtv

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Puh_:

ok

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daviey:

jusku LRL

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justinh:

in the UK you can enable MHEG digital stuff in tv settings > playback then press F2 in livetv mode

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daviey:

Puh_, no it's not standard teletet – it's an overlay like subtitles AFAIK

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justinh:

daviey: "date not yet announced, but if you were to think in terms of July-ish 2007 then you wouldn't be far wrong"

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Puh_:

dvb subtitles work great and they are overlay graphics

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Puh_:

but i guess no news on teletext then

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daviey:

Lugradiolive 2007 – 7th and 8th July 2007 Wolverhampton

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justinh:

Puh_: what kind of DVB tuner? dvb-t / dvb-s / dvb-c ? and which country do you live in?

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daviey:

Puh_, it does work as i have done it accidently – not sure how

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Puh_:

dvb-c and i live in finland

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justinh:

Puh_: I'd say more than likely NO then

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daviey:

mine was dvb-t (UK)

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Puh_:

ok, thank you

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gandalfcome:

justinh: Im getting the s100, i want to read up what to do, is there a tutorial for everything (perhaps evena setup for remotes)

[20:49:52]

justinh:

gandalfcome: www.zenega-forum.de

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gandalfcome:

justinh: are you in germany?

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heanol:

hmm

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justinh:

gandalfcome: nope

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heanol:

anyone know if its possible to get the "mouse" from a ati remotewonder to work in mythtv?

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sinnlos:

can anyone german ??

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gandalfcome:

justinh: it says something about intel and ppc hardware how do i know what i have?

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justinh:

sinnlos: #mythtv-de

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sinnlos:

oh cool

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justinh:

gandalfcome: it will be intel if it's the s100

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sinnlos:

but english is also ok :)

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sinnlos:

i have now the error that the frontend says that he can't connect to the master backend

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sinnlos:

where are the setup that he mean ?

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justinh:

gandalfcome: there's also a box marketed by Bose they call the zenega which uses a PPC chip – but that one has an integrated DVB STB circuit board- much more complicated

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jeffmeden:

does the mythtv frontend use alsa for output?

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heanol:

anyone know if irw of lirc only displays codes that are present in lircd.conf?

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justinh:

heanol: yes it does

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justinh:

heanol: how would it possibly know any others?

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gandalfcome:

justinh: thanks a lot man

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heanol:

justinh, i guess it could just display the codes inputed from lirc, eh, i dont know

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heanol:

justinh, just trying to figure out how i can see the codes from the mouse buttons on lirc

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heanol:

*in lirc

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heanol:

and then how i sohuld map them..

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justinh:

heanol: mode2, or irrecord

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justinh:

for the noobish I just said RTFM ;)

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heanol:

;)

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opello:

*gasp*

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jeffmeden:

is it possible for the myth frontend to ignore mixer settings?>

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Ryushin:

Is there an easy way to downgrade to a different version of SVN without having to check out the whole thing again?

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justinh:

jeffmeden: yeah there's a tickbox for that

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justinh:

uh-oh. disabling the 'whole tree view' breaks stuff badly :(

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justinh:

that'll teach me to borrow from other themes

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justinh:

fixed :)

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** justinh is off watching some mythtv **

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heanol:

justinh, have time to answer one more lirc question first? :)

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jeffmeden:

i am still trying to figure out the sound situation in myth

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jeffmeden:

it doesnt seem to respond to me adjusting the mixer

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sinnlos:

Database Access Denied <<< ?

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sinnlos:

is hate databases :(

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jeffmeden:

i can set the master and pcm to whatever i want and the sound is still the same level

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jeffmeden:

the output sound

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daviey:

i just got in trouble with the misses. I thought i could irrecord a new remote but this remote happend to switch the TV off and wouldn't switch it back on!!! As i had stopped lircd i couldn't pause the programme. She got really pissed off. poor me

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heanol:

irrecord doesnt seem to write any codes to the output file for me

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heanol:

weird..

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heanol:

everything seems fine when running it, i can add keys with no errors

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jeffmeden:

anyone here use a bt878 card?

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Chai_Sangeen:

anyone can help im having trouble running myth on ubuntu edgy

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Chai_Sangeen:

when runing mythtv-setup i get "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)"

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jeffmeden:

how did you set up the db?

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Chai_Sangeen:

i didnt setup any passwd dusring apt-get install mythtv

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kslater:

jeffmedem better question would be anyone using...

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jeffmeden:

anyone using what?

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kslater:

Chai_Sangeen – ubuntu picks a random password during installation if memory serves me

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kslater:

"anyone here use a bt878 card?"

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heanol:

i think im gonna throw up on lirc soon

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Chai_Sangeen:

yeah i changed that to ...in "sudo mysql < /usr/share/mythtv/sql/mc.sql"

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kslater:

I'm sure people have them, not many using the ones that they have I'll bet

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jeffmeden:

of course, everyone here uses fancypants mpeg cards and atsc tuners

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Chai_Sangeen:

kslater, also on the myth-setup i changed the pass to mythtv

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kslater:

Chai_Sangeen – can you connect to mysql from the command line using msql?

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kslater:

jeffmeden, seems so

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Chai_Sangeen:

kslater, what the command i should use...?

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kslater:

I have an old BT card, I haven't used it in years

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gandalfcome:

justinh: and the frontend is as fast as on a normal pc with the s100?

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kslater:

Chai_Sangeen mysql mythconverg -u mythtv -pmythtv

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Zider:

I have a broken bt card, only composite and svideo works

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Zider:

:P

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Chai_Sangeen:

kslater, ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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kslater:

seems like your mythtv user password isn't mythtv

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kslater:

or you have no permission to use that db

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Chai_Sangeen:

hmmm.... so what the can i do ?

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kslater:

you need to find some documentation that shows how to correct permissions problems with the db. Maybe the wiki?

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Chai_Sangeen:

i guess i should have used the manual way on the guide

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Chai_Sangeen:

kslater, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_E . . . _From_Source

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Chai_Sangeen:

kslater, do you think i should give it another shot with a fresh install or is there a way i can completely remove it ?

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daviey:

ubuntu's mythtv db password isn't mythtv

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daviey:

check /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt for the password

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hads:

I believe it's in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt on Ubuntu isn't it?

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daviey:

no

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hads:

Well. It is on an Ubuntu installation I did the other day.

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daviey:

actually it seems to be in both

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hads:

The install I did has no ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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daviey:

mine does, the password in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt is incorrect

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daviey:

on mine and the .mythtv version is correct

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Chai_Sangeen:

hads, daviey yeah i changed it a while ago to mythtv and also in mythtv-setup

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hads:

Aparently you didn't though :)

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daviey:

oh

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gandalfcome:

justinh: are you juski who is mentioned in the mythtalk forums?

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hads:

daviey: It must be a leftover from an old install or something. On a default Edgy install from packages it's only in /etc/mythtv

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hjohnson:

damn, I just massively expanded my music collection

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hjohnson:

17 000 tracks now.

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hjohnson:

(yes, I know it sounds like penile compensation)..

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daviey:

hads, if you run FE on a user that isn't mythtv, what happens?

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daviey:

/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt isn't readable by anybody except user mythtv

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hads:

daviey: No idea sorry, I don't use packages on my systems, this was at a friends house.

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gbee:

how did you expand it?

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Chai_Sangeen:

daviey, so how can i find the old passwd

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daviey:

reset the password alltogether

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hads:

I don't believe Ubuntu has a mysql root password set by default. You could just reset the password

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daviey:

easyiest way install way (unless you know mysql), install phpmyadmin (apt-get) and remove the password

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Chai_Sangeen:

hads, and can i help me do that ? i dont know how to do that

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Chai_Sangeen:

daviey, okay ill do that right away

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mishehu:

hmm... donno this is the cable box being sucky or my firewire controller... but if the cable box that is hooked up to firewire is on a non-OTH channel, it can take up to 30 seconds to get a readable mpeg2-ts stream off of the firewire.

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hads:

Just issue `mysql -u root mysql` then, if you get a mysql prompt `UPDATE user SET password=PASSWORD('mythtv') WHERE user="mythtv";` `FLUSH PRIVILEGES;` `quit`

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daviey:

that'll do

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Chai_Sangeen:

hads, ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)

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Chai_Sangeen:

can issue the command

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hads:

OK, unless you know your mysql root password you'll have to google mysql reset root password

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Chai_Sangeen:

hads, the wierd thing is that when i installed it i never asked me for passwd

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stuarta:

ubuntu puts the new password somewhere

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heanol:

and it should set it up for mythtv correctly too

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heanol:

afaik it did that for e

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heanol:

me

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gandalfcome:

GreyFoxx: do you know any irc channel for zenega support (you said you used something similar to s100)?

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opello:

14:32 <+justinh> IIRC they even have an IRC channel #zenega

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eskil:

hjohnson, 40+k tracks. My ePenis is bigger and my music updates take longer...

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hjohnson:

lol

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hjohnson:

most of mine is classical music though, so you wouldn't listen to it random or what have you.

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heanol:

anyone know if there is a way to speed up the mouse when using lirc?

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heanol:

or better, if there's a lirc channel somewhere? :P

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Hi, on a 1.3Ghz Athlon with a Radeon 7500 video card connected to a LCD TV with HDMI, when playing with mplayer the sound gets out of sync, when playing with internal the video is choppy

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TTT_Travis:

what can I do to fix this?

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Widget:

'lo

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justinh:

now now psofa

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justinh:

had a chuckle on the way home from the shop just now.. mitchel & webb on the Apple billboards :)

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Widget:

don't suppose anyone in knows how to debug transcoding? my bitrate setting appears to get ignored

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Widget:

ah well, worth a try

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doc_:

hello

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justinh:

hey doc_

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doc_:

hi there :)

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doc_:

I'm getting crazy with diskless frontend, hehe...

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justinh:

nfsroot ? it's pretty easy if you know how ;)

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doc_:

hehe right right... it's easy to config kernel and boot... but problems come later :)

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hads:

I've been playing with minimyth which is pretty fun

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doc_:

i can't get /proc mounted :/

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justinh:

fun? it's da bomb is what it is :)

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hads:

Yeah, innit neat :)

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doc_:

:?

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justinh:

doc_: there's prolly a guide to nfsrooting for the distro you use, somewhere

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doc_:

justinh: may be...

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justinh:

doc_: there are 2 ways I've gone about nfsrooting

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justinh:

1. install a brand new OS but customise it for nfsrooting

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justinh:

2. take an existing install, copy the whole / and put it on an nfs share

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doc_:

justinh: just second choose

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doc_:

justinh: but the error I get is when try to mount /proc

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doc_:

simply...

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doc_:

mount: permission denied

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justinh:

can't say I had that problem

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justinh:

could be that the nfs export is read-only maybe?

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doc_:

mmmm

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doc_:

nop

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doc_:

may be it need a ram image ?

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doc_:

:?

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justinh:

well I'd see if there's a diskless howto for your distro

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justinh:

then consult that & maybe then you'll see what you're missing out

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justinh:

I'm going to bed , g'night all

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doc_:

good night and thanks

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daviey:

GreyFoxx, are you still here?

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