Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, February 6th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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Akiyuki:

I have a tv tuner / capture card made by ati.. it supports svideo, composite, and anolog.... so should i set it to Analog V4L capture card?

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onewheelskyward:

That sounds about right.

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Akiyuki:

Should I have to alt-tab and kill myth-setup in the shell or is there an exit?

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onewheelskyward:

There is an exit. Just keep hitting esc.

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fysa:

is -fixes library version still at 20060828?

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Akiyuki:

oh ok

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Akiyuki:

Cool, it's working now. I guess I never completely went through it, I did the 5 steps but didnt exit properly.

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Akiyuki:

How about this? It has contacted the tv listing servers and seems to have populated the database, but doesn't show any listings...

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onewheelskyward:

Have you run mythfilldatabase from the command line?

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Akiyuki:

Yeah, it spit out a ton of data and said it had downloaded everything and if the backend wasn't running (it was) it would do the deal the next time it was started

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Akiyuki:

Scrolling back up, I see a bunch of "unauthorized"

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onewheelskyward:

aah

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onewheelskyward:

Your zap2it account wasn't set up properly.

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Akiyuki:

My login isn't working correctly

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xris:

Akiyuki: you'll always see one "unauthorized" for every good login

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xris:

needs to be denied access before it sends the auth info.. that's just how http works.

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siyb:

in which table would i normally find the master backend and the current machines ip address?

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xris:

siyb: settings

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siyb:

kay, i thought so

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siyb:

why doesn't the program enter the ip there

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onewheelskyward:

select * from settings where value = MasterServerIP

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siyb:

everything else i do is executed

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WattoDaToydarian:

is mythrename.pl a part of the mythtv suite?

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onewheelskyward:

It appears to be, although it's in a contrib dir which says to me it's an add-on written by a user.

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WattoDaToydarian:

oh, could someone here help me with mythrename.pl?

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AlienX:

does anyone have a suggestion between which tv capture card I should get? My choices are the http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116620 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116606

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onewheelskyward:

WattoDaToydarian: I've never used it, but it looks like it has some good built-in help.

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WattoDaToydarian:

out of those two you should get the pvr-150

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AlienX:

WattoDaToydarian, what is the reasoning behind that?

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siyb:

onewheelskyward, could you give me the "value" of the ip and masterserveer ip (i dont have these values in settings)

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onewheelskyward:

AlienX: The MPEG-2 encoder is a good reason to get the 150.

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siyb:

just if it's not too much hazzle

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WattoDaToydarian:

it has more features and a built in mpeg2 encoder

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onewheelskyward:

siyb: One sec.

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AlienX:

thanks guys, I'll switch my cart for that one.

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siyb:

MasterServerIP is one right?

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WattoDaToydarian:

but if you can get it as a non "mce" version that would be better because mythtv doesn't benefit from it

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onewheelskyward:

Value: MasterServerIP Data: 11.11.11.1 Host: null

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Akiyuki:

xris, oh doh.. i put my email address in instead of my login info :P

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onewheelskyward:

The other one is BackendServerIP

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AlienX:

WattoDaToydarian, do you know of another card that is around the same price range then?

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siyb:

thx a lot

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onewheelskyward:

np

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Akiyuki:

Can I pass like --widow=400x600 or something ?

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onewheelskyward:

Akiyuki: You can set the window size in the mythfrontend setup.

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WattoDaToydarian:

AlienX: well i looks like the non mce version doesn't have a remote so I guess you might as well go with the mce one

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AlienX:

WattoDaToydarian, the 150 doesn't come with a remote.

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onewheelskyward:

WattoDaToydarian: The remote is a very nice thing. Get it if you can.

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WattoDaToydarian:

woah, neither of them have one...

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AlienX:

WattoDaToydarian, the other one does have a remote (the non pvr one)

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AlienX:

i don't really care about remotes though

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WattoDaToydarian:

AlienX: this is the only one I can find with a remote... wonder what happened.... http://cgi.ebay.com/HAUPPAUGE-WINTV-PVR-150-M . . . cmdZViewItem

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WattoDaToydarian:

I remeber getting a pvr-150 non-mce with a remote for only about $30 after rebate i think

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WattoDaToydarian:

at a local store

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AlienX:

WattoDaToydarian, maybe hauppauge decided to stop bundling remotes with their stuff? Who knows. like I said, I won't use it anyways :)

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WattoDaToydarian:

ok just get the non-mce one on newegg

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WattoDaToydarian:

it's over $10 cheaper http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116633

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AlienX:

WattoDaToydarian, is that any real difference since it only has one coax port?

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WattoDaToydarian:

AlienX: the extra coax port on the mce one is the FM radio tuner

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AlienX:

ohhh ok!

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AlienX:

i don't need radio and if it saves me 10 bucks, I'm sold :-D

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WattoDaToydarian:

yup

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ShiftyPow:

hey, other than using a file folder structure in mythvideo, how do folks organize say recordings of TV shows?

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onewheelskyward:

ShiftyPow: I actually don't organize them, I rely on the title selections of my playback screen. I guess I'm no help. :)

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xris:

Akiyuki: gotcha. usually, that gets caught in mythtv-setup where it tries to downloading the list of your listing choices, and gives an error.

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ShiftyPow:

or is there a way at least to assign a Category to an entire folder?

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ShiftyPow:

having to go through one by one and edit the metadata is a pain in the arse

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AlienX:

WattoDaToydarian, thanks for your help. I'm building a new box (specs here: http://pastebin.ca/325901) and decided it would make for a good mythtv box :)

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Akiyuki:

xris, weird.. i just tried it w/o a username/password and it didnt complain at all or give any error.... but it did complain in the shell terminal

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tigerflyer:

i am trying to configure my mythtc backend and when it tries to write .temp to my directory that holds my recordings, it cant... is that a permissions problem?

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onewheelskyward:

tigerflyer: Most likely.

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tigerflyer:

piss...

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tigerflyer:

what user should i give provleges to... mythtv?

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tigerflyer:

privileges*

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onewheelskyward:

If that's the user mythbackend run as, yes.

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tigerflyer:

hmmmm well im logged in as myself... and I can write to it... and i gave myself and mythtv permissions already...

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tigerflyer:

thats what i dont understand is they both SHOULD be able to write to it

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WattoDaToydarian:

AlienX, everything looks good for a desktop/pvr but I would go with this monitor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824112006

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AlienX:

WattoDaToydarian, I actually already bought the monitor. I have most of it built but am ordering the HDD, GPU, and PVR card tonight.

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WattoDaToydarian:

for the program mythrename.pl, does anyone know why I would get the error "This host not configured for myth. (No RecordFilePrefix defined for PVR in the settings table.)"?

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WattoDaToydarian:

AlienX, oh well. good luck with everything

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AlienX:

WattoDaToydarian, and that monitor is out of my budget. I was trying to build a box for $1200.

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AlienX:

I appreciate it :)

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WattoDaToydarian:

well after the rebate its a good one

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AlienX:

very true

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AlienX:

ohh well :) That deal wasn't on newegg when I ordered it unfortunately

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WattoDaToydarian:

ok

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planktonboy:

Just going through the recording profiles and I noticed that all the Hardware DVB Encoder options are set the same

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planktonboy:

same for the transcoder options....

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planktonboy:

is this something that needs to be setup per frontend

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waldo:

why would my backend not be acting on jobs in the queue?

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feld:

lirc_i2c on Ubuntu Edgy — who has done it ?

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abarbaccia:

no..

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abarbaccia:

feld: i have

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feld:

abarbaccia: can i pm you for a second? i have module loaded and recognized, just cant lircd to talk to it

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abarbaccia:

onewheelskyward: it doesn't let me access it then

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abarbaccia:

feld: yes

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onewheelskyward:

abarbaccia: Then it's more likely a permissions issue. What are the read/write/execute/owner permissions of the VOB vs. the AVI?

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abarbaccia:

onewheelskyward: just checked that – they are identical

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ShiftyPowers:

anyone here use a script called ragetvgrab.pl to import videos into the MythTV Recordings database?

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ShiftyPowers:

i'm trying to make the downloaded TV shows I have appear in the Recordings portion of mythtv

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ShiftyPowers:

instead of MythVideo

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planktonboy:

does anyone know how to delete a recording profile group

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abarbaccia:

onewheelskyward: i think i have to use an AddType to my apache.conf for vob

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onewheelskyward:

abarbaccia: If that were the case, it should have worked as an AVI. But it couldn't hurt to try it.

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alsoconfused:

planktonboy: highlight the name of the group and hit M

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planktonboy:

thanks

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abarbaccia:

onewheelskyward: ill let you know...

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planktonboy:

cheers alsoconfused

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alsoconfused:

cheers

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moodboom:

hey all – can anyone point me to docs on using one optical drive to autoplay dvds and audio/data cds?

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planktonboy:

just trying to figure out ways to setup my frontend on my laptop so that it can play a bit smoother

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abarbaccia:

onewheelskyward: no dice...

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abarbaccia:

so back to permission possibilities

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abarbaccia:

onewheelskyward: you don't think filesize has anything to do with it right?

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abarbaccia:

anybody here know why apache would give me a permission error when trying to access a .vob file but not a .avi with the same permissions, etc

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feld:

abarbaccia: my lirc_i2c is finally working after finding a guide explaining that the lirc in Edgy is broken. My remove is _very_ laggy though. Is there a solution to this?

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fryfrog:

as in, you click the delete and it takes a bit for it to go away?

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fryfrog:

or your *remote* is very laggy?

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feld:

fryfrog: yeah, i click OK or UP or DOWN and it takes a long time to register

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abarbaccia:

feld: did you compile from source?

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fryfrog:

oh, your remote then

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fryfrog:

mine's pretty slow on edgy too

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fryfrog:

i *think* i remember it being faster with my pvr250 card, but i'm not sure

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feld:

fryfrog: it's very annoying. on Gentoo it was instantaneous

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fryfrog:

it wasn't much faster

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fryfrog:

the keyboard is *instant*

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fryfrog:

oh, really?

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feld:

yes

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fryfrog:

must be an ubuntu thing :(

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fryfrog:

nother reason for me to go back to gentoo!

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feld:

well this isnt cool and it's not gonna fly with my gf

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feld:

the lag is _seconds_

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fryfrog:

I think if I just split my web server away from myth server, i'll be okay :)

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fryfrog:

oh, shit seconds?

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feld:

yes

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fryfrog:

mine is maybe... half a second or so?

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fryfrog:

annoying, but not unbearable

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feld:

like i press up... wait 2 seconds then it moves

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fryfrog:

thats awful

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feld:

no kidding

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fryfrog:

time to switch back to gentoo? :)

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fryfrog:

i mean, if imma have to compile myth and lirc from scratch and a few drivers...

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feld:

i used this guide which has me setup a repo this guy offers. it supposedly has lirc packages that are not broken for edgy. it actually allowed my remove to work.

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fryfrog:

why not the whole damn thing, and use a good pkg mgmt with it

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fryfrog:

ah, slow box?

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feld:

well xp3000+ with only 512mb of ram

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feld:

and my desktop is a dual core opteron that isnt Gentoo anymore, so I cant distcc to it

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rabid:

if compiling mythtv-0.20 from source how can i ensure it will speak "protocol 31"

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fryfrog:

amd64 or xp?

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fryfrog:

i didn't know the xp came in 3000+

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feld:

xp, fryfrog

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

http://laviroutade.nuxit.net/francais/asie/ch . . . ghai/bar.jpg

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

jaja

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fryfrog:

rabid: pick the right version

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feld:

xp comes in the 3200+ flavor too, fryfrog

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fryfrog:

i think 31 is maybe -fixes?

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fryfrog:

wow, thats something i didn't know :)

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rabid:

fryfrog – is there some official source for 0.20-fixes? i see the sources on mythtv.org are stable at protocol 30

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fryfrog:

rabid: co the mythtv you think it is, then grep for PROTOCOL maybe

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fryfrog:

yeah, -fixes is in svn

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fryfrog:

you can co it

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fryfrog:

but i'm not *sure* if that is protocol 31

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GreyFoxx:

rabid: svn.mythtv.org

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GreyFoxx:

It is

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fryfrog:

you *should* use what ever you used that is having it

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rabid:

ya i was just worried i would checkout from svn and it would be protocol 32

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GreyFoxx:

svn trunk is 32, svn -fixes is 31, last release was 30

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rabid:

haha

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fryfrog:

cause protocol 31 could be any revision of head in some time frame where the *protocol* didn't need to change

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fryfrog:

ah, there

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fryfrog:

sudo rm /usr/src/lirc*deb

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rabid:

thanks guys i'll try it, too bad the ubuntu folks compiled against -fixes, cant get it to work with my slack backend

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fryfrog:

oops

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fryfrog:

ahhh

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fryfrog:

thats why its good to compile your own if you are mixing distros :/

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GreyFoxx:

but, fyi to verify what protocol is in a particular bit of source, look in libs/mythcontext.h for the MYTH_PROTO_VERSION #define

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pembo13:

hello..i'm back with the channel off by one problem

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pembo13:

and google is giving pages about the the listings off by an hour

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rabid:

nice to have dumb clients running ubuntu and my backend smooth sailing on slackware11

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rabid:

tho

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pembo13:

how do i go about fixing this issue?

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GreyFoxx:

rabid: whatever works for you :)

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rabid:

GreyFoxx: do i need to worry about any differences on my MySQL tables? or should an upgrade to the backend (fixes, for protocol 31) be pretty clean?

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fryfrog:

pembo13: make sure your time is set right

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pembo13:

fryfrog: it is...but the timing is ok

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pembo13:

the channels themself are off by one

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fryfrog:

rabid: generally, make a backup. almost always, an *upgrade* from one version to a later version is fine

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fryfrog:

pembo13: ahhhh

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pembo13:

channel 44 is shown as 45

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fryfrog:

could your listing source think you are in a differe...

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pembo13:

the how to points to the vi4l list

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fryfrog:

oh, sorry i thought you said an *hour* off

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pembo13:

but the archive is closed

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fryfrog:

okay, so when you *tune* to channel 44 in myth, its really 45?

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fryfrog:

er, sorry the other way around

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pembo13:

fryfrog: the listings were fine till a few mins ago when i had to do a mythsetup and then mythfilldatabase

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fryfrog:

you type "45" into myth and see "44"

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fryfrog:

and the data is *right* for 44 (but you are seeing 45)?

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

werid

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fryfrog:

weird i mean

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pembo13:

45 is discovery channel, 44 is CNN,,when i go to 45...discovery is playing, but the guide shows it as CNN

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fryfrog:

ah

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pembo13:

that's going to reek havoc on ym schedule

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pembo13:

my*

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fryfrog:

no idea, but at least i understand :)

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pembo13:

the howto at mythtv.org is very unclear about this

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pembo13:

just says that this is a error in detecting the card

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pembo13:

doesn't say how to fix it

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mchou:

sigh....

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mchou:

pembo13: that's cause that's not a myth problem

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pembo13:

mchou: ok...well i'm not here to put blame..what problem is it? where do i go to for advice on fixiing it?

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pembo13:

mchou: ?

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mchou:

first you check out the zap2it listings have the 'correct' channels

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pembo13:

mchou: i just checked their website, and they do

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mchou:

pembo13: if that's the case, then you can safely delete all your channels in myth and start with the correct channel line up.

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mchou:

use mythtv-setup to purge all the old channels

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pembo13:

mchou: do i generate the channel listings myself or will mythfilldatabase do that?

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mchou:

mythfilldb will do that once you've purged all the old channels

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pembo13:

ok

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pembo13:

that in itself creates another problem..but i will try it again

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pembo13:

how do i change the item in a drop down box with just the keboard?

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pembo13:

keyboard?

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kormoc:

arrow keys?

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pembo13:

that moves to the next field

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pembo13:

ok, my mistake

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kormoc:

up and down should move fields, left and right change selection

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kormoc:

or otherway around

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pembo13:

mchou: thank you, problems solved

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pembo13:

can the channel icons be added manually?

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jared555:

anyone around who knows about raid 5 arrays and xfs/jfs?

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fryfrog:

jared555: I use raid5 / xfs in my setup, what is the question?

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jared555:

well first, are there any general guidelines on chunk size, etc. of a raid5 array? (3x 500GB seagate 7200.10 drives)

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fryfrog:

i've seen it recommended that you use the same chunk size as the file system's

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fryfrog:

but i doubt it makes a noticable difference

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fryfrog:

I just went with 128k

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fryfrog:

i think the smallest in xfs was like 512?

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fryfrog:

but i'm not sure

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jared555:

well on the 250GB drive array changing chunk size doubled the performance, but the 500GB drives take around 5 hours to rebuild the array

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fryfrog:

*doubled* the performance of.. read or write?

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fryfrog:

I honestly don't see how that could be possible :/

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jared555:

read, gave a decent boost to write

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fryfrog:

unless you went from like... 4k -> 128k?

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jared555:

I forget if it was 64 > 128 or 128 > 256

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fryfrog:

well, color me surprised :)

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fryfrog:

i tend to see something like 70–80mb read speeds, 30–40mb write

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fryfrog:

1250274304 blocks level 5, 128k chunk, algorithm 2 [5/5] [UUUUU]

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jared555:

getting around 100MB read speeds with the 3x 250GB/500GB arrays

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fryfrog:

can you change the chunk w/o losing data?

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jared555:

dunno, all I know how to do is just recreate the array

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jared555:

(no data yet)

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

well, you may as well increase the chunk size and see befor eyou have data on it :)

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jared555:

was in the hospital for 2 weeks and now I forget the IP address I assigned to the server.... and there is no monitor on it

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fryfrog:

do an nmap ip scan

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jared555:

what I am doing

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fryfrog:

it'll take a min or two to scan your 255.255.255.0 range :)

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jared555:

I actually have two 255.255.255.0 ranges at my house but I know which one it is on

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fryfrog:

ah

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jared555:

while I am playing with this, if you had a 3x250GB raid5 array and a 3x500GB raid 5 array, how would you partition it (it is going to be a mix of small, medium, and large, and MASSIVE files)

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jared555:

well massive for a home user that is lol

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fryfrog:

i can't find any mention of chunk sizes greater than 128k

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toad-six:

does anybody know what's up w/ dvbn?

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fryfrog:

jared555: I made my 5x 320G raid5 array into *one* partition, mounted in /data

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fryfrog:

that way i won't have to juggle partition sizes

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fryfrog:

i use mount -o bind to mount *one* directory in another location on the system for an ftp server

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jared555:

how good is xfs/jfs at avoiding fragmentation when 2–3 files are being written?

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fryfrog:

jared555: probably not much better than any other fs writing 2 or 3 files at once

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fryfrog:

but it does have xfs_fsr that you can setup to run in a cron in the middle of the night

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fryfrog:

its kind of a defrag, but only on an individual file basis

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fryfrog:

it reduces the number of "extants" a file occupies on xfs

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jared555:

k.

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fryfrog:

i've read that jfs doesn't have more than one extant per file though

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fryfrog:

so maybe jfs would work well too

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jared555:

what about the xfs vs jfs thing?

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fryfrog:

since you've just started, you could try both :)

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fryfrog:

i kind of settled on xfs

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fryfrog:

i *know* xfs can grow, but not shrink

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fryfrog:

i bet jfs can do, but i don't know for sure

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fryfrog:

ext3 can grow too?

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fryfrog:

and i *think* reiser can both grow and shrink

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jared555:

all of them can grow I think

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fryfrog:

i really only care about growing

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jared555:

but xfs/jfs can't shrink

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fryfrog:

and you can grow a raid5 :)

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jared555:

kind of sucks that I don't have a pci-e card yet to see the max performance possible

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jared555:

I think the worst thing would be if the 3x 250GB drives were faster than the 3x 500GB drives lol

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fryfrog:

don't you have both arrays going right now?

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jared555:

yeah

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fryfrog:

can't you test them both?

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jared555:

but I meant after I hook them up to pci-e eventually

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fryfrog:

a pci-e *ide* or *sata* card?

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jared555:

sata

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** hjohnson lusts after a hardware RAID 5 card **

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jared555:

lets see.... right now the 500GB drives are getting 61MB/sec write and 138MB/sec reads

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fryfrog:

jesus

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fryfrog:

is that from hdparm or a dd?

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jared555:

250GB drives are getting 28MB/sec writes and 90MB/sec reads..... bonnie++

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fryfrog:

ah

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Milosch:

yea, recording two shows and watching another live over the network from another frontend and no crashy crashy

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fryfrog:

how do you use bonnie++?

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jared555:

I think if you are on a user account you just run it as bonnie++ in a folder you have permissions to read/write

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waldo:

kormoc: i tried your user job for mythcommflag --gencutlist, but the job always stays queued, it never actually runs.

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fryfrog:

ah

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jared555:

root = bonnie++ -u <userid>:<groupid>

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kormoc:

waldo, did you tell the recording schedule to run it? did you enable it in the backend settings?

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waldo:

i ran it from the "job options" in mythfrontend

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fryfrog:

doh, that was dumb

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fryfrog:

i just created a few IOBOUND errors

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fryfrog:

I didn't realize my backends were writing 3x streams of HD and 1x of SD :/

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kormoc:

waldo, better check the logs and see what's going on then

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jared555:

also, I stupidly bought 2x gigabit cards with 2x onboard not thinking that is MORE than going to max out the pci bus lol

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fryfrog:

*four* gigabit cars?

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fryfrog:

er, cards?

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fryfrog:

why would you need more than 1?

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jared555:

heh, if they were pci-express it would have worked

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waldo:

kormoc: mythbackend.log, i assume?

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jared555:

2 arrays transferring at full speed across the network

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jared555:

(yes I am nuts)

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fryfrog:

you are nuts :)

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fryfrog:

you'd have to be doing some *major* network traffic

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fryfrog:

an HD stream is ~2–3mb/sec

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fryfrog:

so even at only 10mb/sec from 100mbit network, you'd be able to do 3 or 4 streams of HD most likely

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jared555:

bragging rights saying I have a 4gbit trunked network?

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fryfrog:

ahhaha

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fryfrog:

so you have a gige switch that can do trunking?

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jared555:

fryfrog, DVDs, game disks, etc.

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fryfrog:

cause if soo, thats definatly worth it :)

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jared555:

fryfrog, yeah, got it free.... 16 port gigabit dlink switch

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fryfrog:

okay, get 4 :)

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fryfrog:

i mean, you can also do the redundancy bonding thing too

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fryfrog:

that way if... uh... one of your nics dies, you won't lose a moment of tv!

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waldo:

kormoc: i kicked off a job and nothing showed up in the log

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fryfrog:

i've got a managed cisco 100mbit switch... but i'd rather have 1 gigabit than 2x 100mbit :)

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waldo:

kormoc: and nothing in the log entries in the mythfrontend system status, either

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waldo:

i kicked it up to level 8

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waldo:

it makes me sad.

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jared555:

oh, and also I want to be able to be able to install a game/program while I am watching a movie and maybe feeding music into one or two other rooms

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AlienX:

gigabit rocks!

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waldo:

darn. we lost kormoc.

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fooker:

Hmmm... zap2it's guide data is wrong... that happen often?

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fooker:

waldo: How long are you waiting for it to change from queued to running?

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waldo:

well, i had five queued up from last night

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waldo:

so, 20 hours, ish.

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fooker:

waldo: Are other jobs running alright?

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waldo:

it's recording and flagging just fine

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fooker:

Give me on second.

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fooker:

Go into mythtv-setup, under general, and check to make sure "Allow userjob X to run on this backend" is selected for the userjob # your using

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fooker:

They are off by default

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waldo:

one moment, please.

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fooker:

Run the following command in mysql, quickest way to find out (replace 1 with the user job number your using):

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fooker:

select * from settings where value="JobAllowUserJob1";

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waldo:

too late, already checked

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waldo:

and i just enabled it

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fooker:

Bah :P

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waldo:

will i need to restart mythtv-backend? i never know what changes require it

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waldo:

good to know for the future, though :]

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waldo:

looks like that took care of it.

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sn9_:

i just found the mythtv-users mailing list archive, and the asshattery in the tivo-as-frontend thread really got me pissed

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waldo:

thanks, fooker

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fooker:

I don't think any changes really require a restart.

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fooker:

Not a problem – I've asked so many questions in here, I'm just scraping the surface of repaying my debt :P

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fooker:

sn9_: So?

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sn9_:

initially, when i saw the reasons that wouldn't work in the manual, i thought "that's reasonable"

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fooker:

sn9_: You came here to be an ass to the users that originally wrote those emails?

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sn9_:

now i realize there is no real reason it can't work

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fooker:

Great. Get it working. Have fun with it.

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sn9_:

nah, just to vent

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fooker:

Welcome to Linux. The norm is to hate the closed source vendors. Its life.

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sn9_:

the key is to use an entirely different frontend with the stock backend

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waldo:

let me know how writing that works out for you, sn9_

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sn9_:

it's not exactly how i wanted to improve mythtv, nor even what i was looking for in the archive

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fooker:

sn9_: Yes, thats the whole concept behind using tivo as a mythtv frontend.... but I fail to see how that makes tivo work as a mythtv frontend

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sn9_:

all that's needed is something to speak the backend's protocol and translate it to something the hardware can handle natively

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fooker:

Yep

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fooker:

But how do we know what the hardware can handle natively?

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fooker:

Has Tivo's specs been released (I don't remember them coming out, but I really don't know).

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fooker:

sn9_: Its a pointless exercise really, as the Tivo can already do most things myth can. If you have a tivo, chances are your just going to use the tivo software, and not myth on it

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sn9_:

i know that, but i thought the point was for those that have both tivo and myth on different boxes to be able to watch both the tivo-recorded stuff and the myth-recorded stuff on one box

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sn9_:

the opposite could also be done, but with tons more cpu cycles

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fooker:

sn9_: The tivo runs linux, does it not?

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sn9_:

the s1's never went beyond a 2.1 kernel

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sn9_:

it's not a full distro by any means

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sn9_:

some poor saps have actually had full debian-mips installs on their s2's

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sn9_:

but like the thread says, the idea of X on one is ridiculous

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fooker:

Just buy a fanless mini-ITX system for a few hundred and be done with it

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sn9_:

that misses part of the point

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hads:

Yeah, EPIA boards are cool

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sn9_:

not the dma on them, tho

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toad-six:

does anybody know what's up w/ dvbn?

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sn9_:

anyway, this was the original reason i was looking for the archives: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/103464

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ShiftyPowers:

hey guys, can someone help me out with a mysql querty syntax?

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Captain_Murdoch:

never know until you ask. :)

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ShiftyPowers:

i'm trying to do a massive change of the "Category" column in videometadata table in mythconverg based on a search string

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ShiftyPowers:

that search query results in a list of videos that I want to apply one specific category

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ShiftyPowers:

http://www.pastebin.ca/342160

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sn9_:

by the way, is the mpeg4 for the analog framegrabber input xvid, or some other mpeg4?

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ShiftyPowers:

that's the query i just ran

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ShiftyPowers:

but i want to modify the "Category" column for the search results all at once

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ShiftyPowers:

is that possible

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Captain_Murdoch:

sn9_: not xvid.

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sn9_:

iso mpeg4?

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ShiftyPowers:

Captain_Murdoch, any idea?

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ShiftyPowers:

wow

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ShiftyPowers:

that made no sense to me as a newbie

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jared555:

what are the advantages of xfs over jfs and jfs over xfs?

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Captain_Murdoch:

what does the collate do? I've never used that that I recall.

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kormoc:

jared555, check wikipedia

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kormoc:

Captain_Murdoch, char set stuff

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Captain_Murdoch:

so it's not required for the update then?

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kormoc:

shouldn't be

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fooker:

kormoc: So you were right on my previous problems – I reinstalled mythtv over the weekend (actually my whole box), and it turns out that the package mantainers mucked up and compiled mythtv for a different version of the transcoding utitlities than was actually present in the packages

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Captain_Murdoch:

ShiftyPowers: just something liket this then: update videometadata set category = "mymusic" where `filename` LIKE CONVERT( _utf8 '%Music%' USING latin1 );

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fooker:

kormoc: Fresh install with everything up-to-date, and transcoding works great from within and outside of mythfrontend

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kormoc:

heh, nice

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Captain_Murdoch:

might want to make a backup of that table first like this: create table vmdbackup as select * from videometadata;

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ShiftyPowers:

ah

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ShiftyPowers:

i'll try that man

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ShiftyPowers:

thanks

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fooker:

Captain_Murdoch: In regards to SQL queries, does mysql recognize some sort of *-like character in the select * from blah where blah="Blah*" ?

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ShiftyPowers:

i've backedup the database

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Captain_Murdoch:

fooker: don't think so, that's what like is for. = is exact match (well, possibly case insensitive match)

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kormoc:

fooker, where blah LIKE "Blah%"

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hads:

Yeah, WHERE foo LIKE 'foo%'

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kormoc:

% = * in LIKE/RLIKE

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hads:

Oh, what he said.

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kormoc:

:P

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hads:

Hmm, anyone know offhand around what revision the protocol change to 32 was?

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sn9_:

Captain_Murdoch: not xvid? is it iso?

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kormoc:

sn9_, you could check

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sn9_:

i probably eventually will

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Captain_Murdoch:

hads: 12151 I believe.

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sn9_:

i just thought it might be xvid because the marillat pkgs depend on xvid libs for some reason

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hads:

Captain_Murdoch: Lovely, thanks much.

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Captain_Murdoch:

sn9_: we use "mpeg4" in libavcodec and tag the video as 'DIVX' in the nuppel file.

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Captain_Murdoch:

myth uses it's own copy of the libavcodec/libavformat libraries so it doesn't depend on other libs being installed for recording or playback.

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jared555:

there any major disadvantages to JFS other than slightly slower deletes/creates?

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hads:

I'm using JFS, it works fine for me although I can't remember why I chose it at the time.

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planktonboy:

I am using jfs too and so far it seems to work very well

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jared555:

the benchmarks I am looking at from my drives shows JFS is faster at reads and some writes, the 3x500GB drive array doesn't show much improvement on reads though because the PCI bus is already maxed out

[04:17:24]

planktonboy:

very fast at deleting large files

[04:18:25]

jared555:

I have a 500GB array (3x 250GB drives) and a 1TB array (3x 500GB drives) that will have a mix of different types of files on them (music, videos, movies, game backups, maybe vmware images, etc.), how would you all partition them?

[04:18:53]

planktonboy:

I was asking in here about jfs about a week ago as my ext3 partition was slowing down my server box, and after several guys in here suggested it for a few reasons I decided to set it up

[04:19:30]

hads:

JFS was fairly robust for me while I was testing XvMC and getting lockups on my main FE/BE system.

[04:19:38]

jared555:

what configuration settings do you have to have so that a program accessing one very large file or two doesn't slow down the entire box?

[04:19:48]

kormoc:

jared555, personally, one large LVM if the other arrays are mirrored/raid 5ed

[04:20:01]

jared555:

one array is slower than the other

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kormoc:

jared555, all that is more OS tuning

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kormoc:

jared555, you're not likely going to have speed issues for just video playback and all that jazz

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hads:

Yeah, I like one large LVM. I don't have the need for RAID as I don't need high availability. I have backups for drive failures.

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kormoc:

Personally, I'm a fan of just growing raid-5's

[04:21:25]

jared555:

kormoc, at least while I am here it may be dvd video, 1–2 FLAC audio streams, and maybe another data access (game install disk or something like that)

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kormoc:

jared555, should all handle it fine, video/audio isn't very much at all

[04:22:14]

jared555:

is it possible to convert the partitions on a drive without LVM to LVM?

[04:22:30]

jared555:

or do you have to recreate the partitions

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kormoc:

if you can pull the data off and recreate them, then yes

[04:22:35]

kormoc:

else no

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jared555:

I have enough external hard drives I could probably make a temporary backup (got 4–5 of them free from someone)

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adante:

man.. 33% redundancy, that's just painful

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jared555:

adante?

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kormoc:

adante, it is not all that important data

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hads:

Yeah, I don't care so much about TV recordings, all the data I care about is on a different server

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jared555:

same here, I can recover 90% of it, the redundancy is just so I don't have to if one drive goes (once I get them loaded up it might take months to get everything back, but I could)

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jared555:

oh, is the PCI bus limited to ~133MB/sec total or 133MB/sec up, 133MB/sec down?

[04:28:23]

jared555:

(ex: could I be reading from hard drives at 100MB/sec and outputting it across the network at 100MB/sec)

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kormoc:

it's 133 per bus

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kormoc:

if you have more then one bus, sure

[04:29:17]

kormoc:

but keep in mind, even gigabit isn't 100 MB/sec

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kormoc:

you have overhead that keeps it lower then that

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jared555:

kormoc, it is if you have an overkill number of network cards

[04:29:49]

kormoc:

just buy a board designed to handle that sort of load

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jared555:

trying to decide between something like that and a UPS backup or two

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jared555:

no way am I going to even attempt to keep all the computer equipment on during a power outage though

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jared555:

someone say they used mount -o bind for a folder on their array, how do you put that into fstab?

[04:54:44]

Captain_Murdoch:

put bind in the fs type column and the source directory in the device name column.

[04:55:00]

Captain_Murdoch:

why bind when you can link though?

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** jared555 kicks self **

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ShiftyPowers:

is there a way to add IMDB data to a certain file through a console

[04:56:06]

ShiftyPowers:

through a script

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Nem^1 is now known as Nem^

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ShiftyPowers:

instead of doing it via the frontend?

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Captain_Murdoch:

echo "some sql command here;" | mysql -u mythtv -ppassword mythconverg

[04:57:27]

ShiftyPowers:

huh?

[04:57:30]

ShiftyPowers:

is that for me?

[04:57:34]

Captain_Murdoch:

yeah.

[04:57:53]

Captain_Murdoch:

there's no command line way other than piping sql to mysql.

[04:58:46]

jared555:

is 200mbit about all you can expect from one ethernet card?

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Captain_Murdoch:

echo "update videometadata set plot = 'this is a very long movie about dogs' where title = 'The Longest Dog Movie';" | mysql -u mythtv -ppassword

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jared555:

(gig-e)

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jared555:

can't use jumbo frames because most of my computers have 100mbit cards besides a couple main systems

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exobyte:

any xbmc frontend users here?

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ShiFTKey:

hey

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ShiFTKey:

anyone here?

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kormoc:

no

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ShiFTKey:

lol

[05:12:51]

ShiFTKey:

:)

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kormoc:

the 193 users in the channel are all not here

[05:13:09]

ShiFTKey:

i should refrase

[05:13:16]

ShiFTKey:

any here thats not afk?

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ShiFTKey:

:)

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exobyte:

at least he isn't asking if he can ask a question

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kormoc:

nope, all afk

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kormoc:

exobyte, he'll get to it sooner or later...

[05:14:10]

ShiFTKey:

...

[05:14:18]

exobyte:

kormoc: give him a sec

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ShiFTKey:

even if i had a question

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ShiFTKey:

is that such a bad thing?

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exobyte:

LOL

[05:14:53]

exobyte:

kormoc: he isn't asking if he can ask a question. He's asking if asking if he can ask is bad

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ShiFTKey:

lol

[05:15:11]

ShiFTKey:

you even confused me

[05:15:23]

ShiFTKey:

actually

[05:15:49]

ShiFTKey:

im really interested in mythtv

[05:16:07]

** exobyte is resisting use of sarcasm **

[05:16:08]

ShiFTKey:

and im planning on setting up a box

[05:16:35]

exobyte:

k

[05:16:36]

ShiFTKey:

but i thought i should first check out the community before i took the plunge

[05:16:43]

exobyte:

ShiFTKey: ahhhhhh

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kormoc:

ShiFTKey, typically aye, as it's just a waste of time. Asking your question and seeing if anyone can/will answer tends to be the proper way

[05:16:48]

ShiFTKey:

spend my hard earned money on a tv tuner and such

[05:16:55]

exobyte:

ShiFTKey: it's like $50

[05:17:00]

ShiFTKey:

im a student

[05:17:12]

exobyte:

ShiFTKey: sell your calc book

[05:17:18]

ShiFTKey:

lol

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ShiFTKey:

no

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kormoc:

it's more like hard loaned money then :P

[05:17:39]

ShiFTKey:

no i dont have any loans

[05:17:43]

ShiFTKey:

infact im not even in college yet

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ShiFTKey:

:P

[05:17:51]

exobyte:

ShiFTKey: so...

[05:18:04]

ShiFTKey:

i was just wondering

[05:18:04]

exobyte:

you're between the ages of 5 and 18

[05:18:17]

ShiFTKey:

im 18

[05:18:29]

exobyte:

don't worry, no one here will hit on you

[05:18:35]

ShiFTKey:

im ugly anyway

[05:18:38]

ShiFTKey:

seriously

[05:18:46]

exobyte:

now THAT'S the nerdy spirit!!

[05:18:53]

ShiFTKey:

im in an irc channel

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hads:

Yay! working wireless again

[05:19:01]

ShiFTKey:

in "freenode"

[05:19:08]

ShiFTKey:

lol

[05:19:12]

ShiFTKey:

<3 linux

[05:19:36]

exobyte:

ShiFTKey: duh, yes, not so much

[05:19:52]

exobyte:

and, uhhh, I like the BSD's more, but that's me

[05:19:59]

ShiFTKey:

so what do you guys reccommend for a tv tuner card that works i mythtv

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exobyte:

ShiFTKey: where are you going to college

[05:20:09]

exobyte:

ShiFTKey: the haupaggue ones

[05:20:10]

ShiFTKey:

im not in college yet

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kormoc:

the pvr 150 is the typical recommended one

[05:20:16]

ShiFTKey:

but i have been accepted to 3 of them already

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exobyte:

(haup... was mispelled)

[05:20:32]

ShiFTKey:

im just making a decision

[05:20:37]

exobyte:

ShiFTKey: that was a typo

[05:20:39]

ShiFTKey:

what about the ati all in wonder cards?

[05:20:43]

exobyte:

ShiFTKey: I meant going to go to college

[05:20:46]

exobyte:

ShiFTKey:

[05:20:46]

exobyte:

not

[05:20:48]

exobyte:

no

[05:20:50]

exobyte:

hell no

[05:20:53]

exobyte:

RUN!!!

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ShiFTKey:

no linux love for ati?

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hads:

16:20:14 <+kormoc> the pvr 150 is the typical recommended one

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exobyte:

ShiFTKey: drop the L note

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kormoc:

ShiFTKey, they have offical drivers, but really, they're designed to cause pain and suffering

[05:21:38]

ShiFTKey:

no *unix love?

[05:21:54]

exobyte:

ShiFTKey: where do you live?

[05:21:55]

ShiFTKey:

really

[05:21:56]

ShiFTKey:

wow

[05:21:58]

kormoc:

exobyte, hey, bestiality is not illegal where penguins live (yet)

[05:21:59]

ShiFTKey:

who would of thought

[05:22:20]

ShiFTKey:

that was an ocward commet

[05:22:22]

ShiFTKey:

comment

[05:22:33]

Agrajag-:

hmm there are penguins in sydney harbour and im pretty sure bestiality is illegal here

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** kormoc laughs **

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** ShiFTKey is a little scared **

[05:22:51]

kormoc:

well, guess it's too late

[05:23:14]

ShiFTKey:

i live in toronto

[05:23:15]

ShiFTKey:

canada

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ShiFTKey:

and no, i dont live in an igloo

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exobyte:

ShiFTKey: I know

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ShiFTKey:

ok

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kormoc:

ShiFTKey, after a few days in irc, you'll grow a thick enough skin to not care, or else just run away screaming

[05:23:51]

exobyte:

ShiFTKey: I have a coworker from ottowa (misspelled)

[05:23:55]

ShiFTKey:

ive been goatsed a couple of times

[05:24:04]

ShiFTKey:

its no longer possible to make me run

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ShiFTKey:

ottawa?

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kormoc:

ShiFTKey, ooh, there's worse... much much worse...

[05:24:25]

exobyte:

ShiFTKey: dude, ok, so like, San Francisco

[05:24:35]

ShiFTKey:

:)

[05:24:41]

exobyte:

ShiFTKey: I saw this porn with a shemale fucking a dwarf

[05:24:52]

ShiFTKey:

so im planning on ebaying a dell gx 260

[05:24:53]

kormoc:

lemon party...

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** kormoc shudders **

[05:25:10]

ShiFTKey:

and installing a tv tuner

[05:25:12]

exobyte:

ShiFTKey: you can get that anywhere, but, I dunno, SF reminded me of it

[05:25:31]

ShiFTKey:

shemale fucking a dwarf would be kinda funny actually

[05:26:02]

ShiFTKey:

[05:26:03]

exobyte:

ShiFTKey: go look it up. pxeek.com is a good site

[05:26:07]

ShiFTKey:

no thanks

[05:26:09]

ShiFTKey:

no really

[05:26:10]

ShiFTKey:

no thanks

[05:26:38]

exobyte:

ShiFTKey: are you looking at colleges in the US or Canada

[05:26:42]

ShiFTKey:

anyway i came here to get some feedback from the community and they give me shemales fucking dwarfs

[05:26:46]

ShiFTKey:

canada

[05:26:48]

ShiFTKey:

local

[05:26:51]

ShiFTKey:

i dont want to move out

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kormoc:

ShiFTKey, you haven't really asked any questions

[05:27:01]

kormoc:

(unanswered questions at least)

[05:27:03]

ShiFTKey:

havent i?

[05:27:13]

exobyte:

kormoc: lol. yeah, not anything worthwhile

[05:27:21]

exobyte:

there was the aiw radeon one

[05:27:42]

ShiFTKey:

<ShiFTKey> what about the ati all in wonder cards?

[05:27:50]

kormoc:

ShiFTKey, well, you've been given the recommended card, told to avoid ati, and now you're gonna ebay something or other. I fail to see the unanswered question

[05:28:02]

ShiFTKey:

<ShiFTKey> so what do you guys reccommend for a tv tuner card that works i mythtv

[05:28:10]

kormoc:

ShiFTKey, both were answered...

[05:28:13]

** kormoc shrugs **

[05:28:16]

ShiFTKey:

yes

[05:28:18]

ShiFTKey:

i know

[05:29:01]

ShiFTKey:

actually

[05:29:06]

ShiFTKey:

i do have nother question

[05:29:10]

ShiFTKey:

where the hell do i get started

[05:29:11]

exobyte:

kormoc: weird... he must be new to IRC and not understand some of the customs here

[05:29:20]

ShiFTKey:

im not new to irc

[05:29:26]

kormoc:

ShiFTKey, the community behind myth is very large and there is no easy place to findout about it all. There's forums, mailing lists, irc channels, and they're all filled with different people and different styles

[05:29:36]

kormoc:

ShiFTKey, http://www.mythtv.org

[05:29:40]

exobyte:

ShiFTKey: get the hardware, visit the google/yahoo

[05:29:45]

ShiFTKey:

lol

[05:29:51]

exobyte:

kormoc: and wikis

[05:30:04]

ShiFTKey:

is there a writeup of some guy who went through a mythtv installation for the first time

[05:30:05]

hads:

ShiFTKey: If you aren't new then you should know that isn't an accepted puctuation mark.

[05:30:09]

kormoc:

exobyte, it's linked off of the website

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ShiFTKey:

?

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exobyte:

kormoc: I bet the forums are, too

[05:30:24]

kormoc:

ShiFTKey, lots of them, the wikis have some, google has hundreds more

[05:30:32]

kormoc:

exobyte, likely, as are the mailing lists

[05:30:32]

ShiFTKey:

alright

[05:30:57]

ShiFTKey:

im kinda excited

[05:31:12]

exobyte:

ShiFTKey: googling 'mythtv "how to"' usually helps

[05:31:26]

ShiFTKey:

actually im going to try knoppmyth first

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exobyte:

ShiFTKey: it's almost like you're kissing a girl ;) (sorry, that one was mean)

[05:31:42]

ShiFTKey:

i ddint get it

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ShiFTKey:

didnt*

[05:31:59]

ShiFTKey:

and plus

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ShiFTKey:

geek guys dont get girls

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kormoc:

ShiFTKey, we're more here for tech questions. We'll happily spend hours on if raid-0 is a true raid or not, or if some random card uses a bit banging interface or not. If you ask questions that are in the docs, you'll likely be told to RTFM, just don't take it personally.

[05:32:15]

exobyte:

ShiFTKey: that's another reason you might be kinda excited

[05:32:19]

kormoc:

ShiFTKey, the many married guys in here beg to differ I'd venture to say

[05:32:31]

hads:

Indeed

[05:32:32]

exobyte:

ShiFTKey: yeah- guess you have to settle for the shemale

[05:32:34]

ShiFTKey:

i should refrase

[05:32:41]

ShiFTKey:

18 year old girls dont like 18 year old geeks

[05:32:51]

ShiFTKey:

guys i mean

[05:32:53]

ShiFTKey:

whoops

[05:32:55]

ShiFTKey:

slip of the tung

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ShiFTKey:

geek guys

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exobyte:

kormoc: omg, you're right, raid0 is in no way redundant

[05:33:12]

** kormoc laughs **

[05:33:17]

ShiFTKey:

LOL

[05:33:23]

ShiFTKey:

well thanks for the info

[05:33:35]

exobyte:

only a minor problem

[05:33:44]

exobyte:

ShiFTKey: depends on the girl

[05:33:48]

exobyte:

and the geekyness

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exobyte:

learn guitar. girls love that

[05:34:01]

ShiFTKey:

rofl

[05:34:06]

ShiFTKey:

i learn linux

[05:34:09]

ShiFTKey:

not guitar

[05:34:18]

kormoc:

plenty of time to learn both

[05:34:25]

hads:

ShiFTKey: is a newline

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exobyte:

ShiFTKey: so.. I've sure you're seen porn

[05:34:40]

exobyte:

ShiFTKey: it exists, but in real life. that's called "sex"

[05:34:40]

ShiFTKey:

you mean right now?

[05:34:52]

ShiFTKey:

...

[05:34:58]

exobyte:

I've -> I'm

[05:35:15]

exobyte:

I'm typing too quickly

[05:35:20]

exobyte:

it screws up my delivery

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ShiFTKey:

lol

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exobyte:

ShiFTKey: ok, so you're learning linux in hopes of, um, girls?

[05:36:09]

ShiFTKey:

i should be getting off to bed now

[05:36:15]

ShiFTKey:

gatta wake up for work tommorow

[05:36:32]

ShiFTKey:

i learn linux in the hopes of..

[05:36:42]

ShiFTKey:

build my portfolio

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ShiFTKey:

:)

[05:37:01]

exobyte:

wait

[05:37:06]

exobyte:

you have a job

[05:37:11]

ShiFTKey:

i sure do

[05:37:16]

ShiFTKey:

guess what it is

[05:37:22]

ShiFTKey:

no its not mcdonalds

[05:37:24]

exobyte:

and you can't spend $75CN on a video card?!

[05:37:30]

exobyte:

ShiFTKey: uhhhh

[05:37:31]

kormoc:

Kernel developer?

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ShiFTKey:

i get $8 an hour

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sn9_:

all-in-wonder cards simply don't work with myth, fyi

[05:37:39]

ShiFTKey:

and im saving up for college

[05:37:48]

ShiFTKey:

no im not a kernal developer

[05:38:01]

exobyte:

ShiFTKey: ok, my canadian coworkers were talking about the canadian fast food chains the miss

[05:38:02]

kormoc:

sn9_, some can be made to, but it's an absolute pain in the ass and flaky as all hell

[05:38:05]

ShiFTKey:

im in house tech support for a small company

[05:38:13]

exobyte:

for $8 per hour?

[05:38:16]

ShiFTKey:

yes

[05:38:17]

exobyte:

$8 canadain?!

[05:38:18]

ShiFTKey:

becuase im 18

[05:38:20]

ShiFTKey:

yes

[05:38:25]

exobyte:

what am I missing

[05:38:36]

ShiFTKey:

my lack of college edumiction

[05:38:40]

ShiFTKey:

wait

[05:38:42]

ShiFTKey:

thats what im missing

[05:38:47]

ShiFTKey:

:P

[05:38:52]

exobyte:

but, uh

[05:38:59]

kormoc:

ShiFTKey, meh, lots of people don't have college education and start out a lot more then 8 a hour

[05:39:02]

exobyte:

I made like 6 when I was your age

[05:39:05]

exobyte:

american

[05:39:11]

ShiFTKey:

yea

[05:39:13]

ShiFTKey:

but hey

[05:39:19]

ShiFTKey:

its good experience

[05:39:34]

ShiFTKey:

it was either this or mcdonalds/burger king

[05:39:36]

kormoc:

it's not about experience, it's all about how you pitch it

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exobyte:

now, I make 30 to sit on my ass, eat snacks, alcohol, uhh

[05:39:38]

** kormoc shrugs **

[05:39:52]

exobyte:

ShiFTKey: hey, burger king provides vegetarian options. that rocks

[05:39:54]

ShiFTKey:

i pitch in very little

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ShiFTKey:

lol

[05:40:05]

ShiFTKey:

got i hate fast food

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ShiFTKey:

god*

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kormoc:

Mmm... Deep Fried Lard balls with Lard on the side...

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ShiFTKey:

with a side of shemale fucking a dwarf

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exobyte:

kormoc: I'm a vegetarian. I eat healthier lard

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exobyte:

ShiFTKey: do I need to find you a link?

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ShiFTKey:

LOL

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ShiFTKey:

no please

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kormoc:

exobyte, he might keep bothering you for more if you give in

[05:42:10]

exobyte:

kormoc: I think he has a thing for shemales

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kormoc:

cause once you go shemale dwarf, you never go back... or so I've heard... from a friend... yeah... a friend...

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sn9_:

make sure that link ends in "swap.avi" as he's been desensitized to goatse and lemon party and needs something stronger

[05:42:35]

ShiFTKey:

wait

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kormoc:

redwings.avi for the win!

[05:42:38]

ShiFTKey:

whats lemon party

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kormoc:

ShiFTKey, lemonparty.org

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ShiFTKey:

LOL

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ShiFTKey:

oh man im tempted

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exobyte:

http://valleywag.com/tech/geeks-gone-wild/10- . . . s-233278.php

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exobyte:

something else

[05:43:03]

exobyte:

but still funny

[05:43:03]

ShiFTKey:

oh what the hell.....

[05:43:18]

ShiFTKey:

OH GOOD HELL JESUS

[05:44:23]

ShiFTKey:

that lemon party on was to much

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exobyte:

oh, wow, I was right. pxeek.com, search for dwarf shemale

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ShiFTKey:

im not falling for this

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ShiFTKey:

again

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exobyte:

http://blink-182.com/

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exobyte:

ShiFTKey: right, becuase what are you expecting

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ShiFTKey:

i hope that was a banana...

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ShiFTKey:

i gatta go delete my history now

[05:46:39]

exobyte:

http://meatspin.com/

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kormoc:

nah, let your parents see lemon party, that'll lead to a awesome family talk

[05:46:48]

exobyte:

you want your shemale

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ShiFTKey:

"meatspin"

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ShiFTKey:

right off the bat

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exobyte:

ShiFTKey: so, how many spins are you up to?

[05:48:21]

exobyte:

I bet he's still watching it

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kormoc:

exobyte, 2, he overflowed the counter

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ShiFTKey:

lol

[05:48:33]

ShiFTKey:

actually i was watching the new "get a mac ad"

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exobyte:

hmm... it justin long on john hodgeman more your type

[05:49:10]

ShiFTKey:

much more entertaining then anything ill ever get from this channel except mythtv

[05:49:16]

ShiFTKey:

i connect with the pc guys

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exobyte:

awww

[05:49:35]

ShiFTKey:

i hate macs

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ShiFTKey:

for anyone thats interested

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ShiFTKey:

oh shit

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exobyte:

I'm not into games

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ShiFTKey:

wrong link

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ShiFTKey:

http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/apple/getam . . . _480x376.mov

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ShiFTKey:

there it is

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sn9_:

a mac is a pc, too

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ShiFTKey:

exobyte: of course your not, your a bsd guy

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ShiFTKey:

sn9_ .... im going to hit you

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kormoc:

ShiFTKey, now now, violence is never the answer... it's a solution

[05:51:29]

kormoc:

ShiFTKey, but in all fairness, he is absolutely correct

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exobyte:

the only two good things to come out of berkeley are bsd and lsd

[05:51:45]

ShiFTKey:

its not an ibm pc clone

[05:51:45]

exobyte:

Steve Jobs said tying LSD was one of the best things he did in his life

[05:51:48]

ShiFTKey:

it doesnt have bios

[05:51:52]

exobyte:

OS X uses a BSD userland

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ShiFTKey:

i know

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exobyte:

come on- that has to mean something

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ShiFTKey:

but os x is a malformed version of bsd

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ShiFTKey:

hope that makes you feel better

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exobyte:

ShiFTKey: so you don't find this entertaining?

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ShiFTKey:

does apple contribute code back to oss developers?

[05:54:19]

ShiFTKey:

find what entertaining

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exobyte:

I forgot, how fo you say about?

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exobyte:

ShiFTKey: some of it, but not BSD code

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sn9_:

ShiFTKey: new pc's don't have bios, either

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exobyte:

ShiFTKey: darwin is sorta developed by them

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kormoc:

ShiFTKey, actually a bios doesn't make a PC

[05:55:13]

ShiFTKey:

pcs dont have bios?

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ShiFTKey:

ok now im confused

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kormoc:

ShiFTKey, some don't

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kormoc:

ShiFTKey, there's a lot of bios replacements out there

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sn9_:

EFI

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hjohnson:

hehe..

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onewheelskyward:

Since when do PC's not have a BIOS?

[05:56:04]

hjohnson:

how's this for a line: "You know.. you might want to try cutting down on the deserts... and perhaps sex with men"

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sn9_:

onewheelskyward: since intel said so

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kormoc:

ShiFTKey, aye EFI is not an apple thing at all, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Firmware_Interface

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kormoc:

ShiFTKey, "The EFI specification was originally developed by Intel"

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onewheelskyward:

sn9_: Oh, of course. Silly me. :)

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majesty:

_

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ShiFTKey:

so now this is getting interesting

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ShiFTKey:

what makes a pc a "PC"

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exobyte:

so, a mac is, uh, a PC?!

[05:56:48]

ShiFTKey:

and an "IBM PC CLONE"

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ShiFTKey:

hrmmmm

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hjohnson:

apple tends to be fairly adopting of open standards, believe it or not.

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exobyte:

basically, supporting x86 instructions

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hjohnson:

look at Open Firmware.. it was relatively standard..

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kormoc:

ShiFTKey, any X86 capable box that isn't made by IBM is a IBM PC CLONE

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onewheelskyward:

Yeah, they adopted a BSD kernel. That's a pretty core item.

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exobyte:

hjohnson: like fairplay, appletalk, etc.

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hjohnson:

(Open Firmware was actually a very cool concept.. firmware for various cards that worked accross platforms because the firmware was writen in.. Forth!)

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exobyte:

onewheelskyward: darwin kernel

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exobyte:

onewheelskyward: bsd userland

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hjohnson:

exobyte: applemumble is fairly well documented.

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ShiFTKey:

so a mac = pc

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kormoc:

ShiFTKey, yes, it is now

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exobyte:

ShiFTKey: mac is a subset of pc

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onewheelskyward:

exobyte: Gotchya.

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kormoc:

ShiFTKey, PC just stands for Personal Computer

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exobyte:

onewheelskyward: but pretty close

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amrit|afk is now known as amrit

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ShiFTKey:

but you say any x86 pc is a pc

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sn9_:

apple has led the way in pc standards like scsi, usb, floppylessness, and 1394, not to mention 802.11

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kormoc:

ShiFTKey, aye, due to marketing

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ShiFTKey:

what if i ran a 64 bit os

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kormoc:

ShiFTKey, it's an extention of x86, hence why it's called x86_64

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ShiFTKey:

i know pc stands for personal computer

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hads:

Heh, aplle love

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exobyte:

sn9_: and now, 802.11n, the, umm, wait... that's not a standard!!

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sn9_:

not yet

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sn9_:

neither was scsi

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onewheelskyward:

exobyte: Check back in 5 minutes. :)

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exobyte:

ShiFTKey: who said x86 was 32 bit?

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sn9_:

neither was 1394

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kormoc:

scsi's an standard

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ShiFTKey:

aarf

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ShiFTKey:

i hate computers

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sandeen:

(apple wanted to pronounce scsi "sexy")

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sn9_:

scsi is a standard today, but not in 1986

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kormoc:

sn9_, sure it was

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onewheelskyward:

So SCSI was more of a de-facto standard? The manufacturers started up with it, and therefore it was a "standard"?

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hjohnson:

SCSI was developed as a joint effor tbetween Seagate and Apple, IIRC

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sn9_:

no, ansi published the standard almost a year after apple shipped it

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kormoc:

sn9_, it started back in 1979 as SASI and is a extention to SASI

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onewheelskyward:

hehe, Sassy.

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sandeen:

sassy, sexy, scuzzy, it's all a fine line...

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hads:

Yeah, the history is on Wikipedia

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exobyte:

so where the hell are we, now?

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kormoc:

we're in hell, population *you*!

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** kormoc laughs evilly **

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sn9_:

usb is the exception; it was already a published standard

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onewheelskyward:

That sounds like a BOFH quote.

[06:01:45]

hjohnson:

then there was the IWM

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hjohnson:

and the SWIM chip too

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hjohnson:

IWM == Integrated Woz Machine and SWIM == Super Woz Integrated Machine

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ShiFTKey:

is that an apple thing?

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sn9_:

the iwm wuz from the era of no standards

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hjohnson:

ShiFTKey: yeah

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hjohnson:

sn9_: but a very very elegant solution, almost as elegant as Woz's colour video hardware on the Apple

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kormoc:

Woz is a cool guy

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kormoc:

unlike that job's fellow, he just doesn't get it man, not at all

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ShiFTKey:

kormoc: your a cool guy

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ShiFTKey:

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onewheelskyward:

s/your/you're/;

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sn9_:

hjohnson: have you been involved in trying to reverse-engineer anything iwm-related for linux? i have

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sn9_:

it is not that elegant

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exobyte:

ShiFTKey: so how bad is the irc channel?

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ShiFTKey:

this one?

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ShiFTKey:

absolutley horrendous

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ShiFTKey:

parden my terrible spelling

[06:06:45]

ShiFTKey:

but thats why i use *unix

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ShiFTKey:

passwd is just elegent

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onewheelskyward:

That it is.

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exobyte:

ShiFTKey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt1_6uz_sVU

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ShiFTKey:

why does mirc insist on using internet explorer to open up links

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onewheelskyward:

ShiFTKey: application-based launch rules.

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ShiFTKey:

exobyte: are you making fun of canadians?

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sn9_:

xchat for windows > mirc

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onewheelskyward:

I'm using trillian at the moment, it's not bad.

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sn9_:

mirc is just not geeky enough

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ShiFTKey:

mirc = less ram usage

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exobyte:

ShiFTKey: no. weird al is

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onewheelskyward:

I don't think I've used mirc since 1997. I used to know all of the color codes by heart.

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ShiFTKey:

lol

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hads:

screen+irssi > *

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ShiFTKey:

...

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exobyte:

ShiFTKey: I wonder if I over-represent cali

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ShiFTKey:

everything else > screen+irssi

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sn9_:

you want less ram usage? use dos

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ShiFTKey:

can run battlefield 2 on dos

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ShiFTKey:

as much as i would like to

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kormoc:

ShiFTKey, I thought you said you were a linux geek?

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onewheelskyward:

Sure, DOS can probably only address 32 megs of RAM anyhow.

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ShiFTKey:

i am

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ShiFTKey:

but im still a gamer

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ShiFTKey:

and i have 5 pcs

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ShiFTKey:

there not all running windows ;P

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sn9_:

mirc runs under wine ok

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ShiFTKey:

yea i tried it

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ShiFTKey:

but meh

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ShiFTKey:

at that point

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kormoc:

onewheelskyward, 64 at least

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ShiFTKey:

might as well use xchat

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kormoc:

how can you be a linux geek and not love screen + irssi?

[06:12:08]

** kormoc blinks **

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** kormoc shakes his head sadly **

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ShiFTKey:

lol

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kormoc:

geeks these days...

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ShiFTKey:

i get confused with screen

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ShiFTKey:

i use it on my serv

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ShiFTKey:

but it confuses me

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sn9_:

screen + irssi is a little more bsd-ish than linux-ish nowadays

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onewheelskyward:

Screen is pretty much the coolest console app since Desqview.

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ShiFTKey:

bsd = linux

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** ShiFTKey runs away **

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** ShiFTKey runs away VERY fast **

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exobyte:

kick him

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exobyte:

please

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ShiFTKey:

LOL

[06:13:53]

exobyte:

ShiFTKey: so how much do you know about girls?

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ShiFTKey:

1*

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exobyte:

so not very much

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** hads is away right now, he'll be back when the topic returns to sanity **

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exobyte:

what is that one?

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exobyte:

hads: good idea

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kormoc:

hads, that might take awhile...

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ShiFTKey:

...

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exobyte:

ShiFTKey: no, really

[06:15:39]

ShiFTKey:

what?

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exobyte:

ShiFTKey: what's the one less part

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ShiFTKey:

8==========D

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sn9_:

no, the one less part is the geekiness, oftentimes

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kormoc:

that's at least 4...

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exobyte:

well, the 8 develops into ovaries in females, and the ====D becomes her cliteris

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ShiFTKey:

i just call it "the package"

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exobyte:

actually, it's the oposite

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exobyte:

but still

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onewheelskyward:

Wow, this one took a left turn.

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ShiFTKey:

hey is this the mythtv help channel?

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sn9_:

lmao

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exobyte:

ShiFTKey: I'm making myself feel better by knowing I talked to a girl today

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kormoc:

mythtv... sex ed and entertainment rolled into one

[06:17:45]

ShiFTKey:

i talked to the women at work today

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exobyte:

how old?

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onewheelskyward:

Does anyone know where I can get a reference for which COM port header pinouts go to which pin on the DB9 connector?

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ShiFTKey:

actually, you could use mythtv to record sexual entertainment

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ShiFTKey:

exobyte: 20 – 30

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ShiFTKey:

i talked to a couple today

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exobyte:

ShiFTKey: and are they remotely interested in you?

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exobyte:

I had lunch with a girl

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exobyte:

that I asked to lunch

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onewheelskyward:

kormoc: Thank you!!

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ShiFTKey:

exobyte: there interested in my ability to recover their task bar

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exobyte:

ShiFTKey: somehow I doubt that's a double entendre

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ShiFTKey:

no it wasnt

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ShiFTKey:

ROFL

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sn9_:

it isn't

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kormoc:

I'll task her bar to get her a drink!

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ShiFTKey:

ok sit down kormoc

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sn9_:

"i could teach you, but i have to charge"

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** kormoc mutters about the lazy bartenders around here **

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ShiFTKey:

good lord is that a milkshake refrence?

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onewheelskyward:

A little bit. :)

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kormoc:

we're all channeling milkshake tonight

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kormoc:

thank god it wasn't meatwad

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ShiFTKey:

actually, milkshakes are delightfull beverages

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onewheelskyward:

So, the IR transmitter just needs Data Terminal Ready and a ground. Does that sound about right?

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kormoc:

onewheelskyward, sounds right, lirc.org would have the specifics tho

[06:22:23]

exobyte:

ShiFTKey: so you're going to use your paycheck to get mythtv going, then use it and linux to pick up girls?

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onewheelskyward:

kormoc: I'll verify there.

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ShiFTKey:

linux /= girls

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ShiFTKey:

havent you figured that out yet?

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kormoc:

linux = linux / girls?

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ShiFTKey:

linux = bsd – girls?

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exobyte:

kormoc: I was wondering what that meant, myself

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sn9_:

meatwad channeling milkshake? no wonder boston went all squealy

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onewheelskyward:

only where girls > 0.

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kormoc:

Mmm... Red Leather Ceren...

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exobyte:

onewheelskyward: are negative girls guys?

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ShiFTKey:

so shemales = 0

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ShiFTKey:

?

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onewheelskyward:

exobyte: No, but negative guys == girls.

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ShiFTKey:

i just farted

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ShiFTKey:

smells like bsd

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onewheelskyward:

When the internet develops smell-o-vision, I'm going to give it up for lent.

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exobyte:

I think ShiFTKey wants to fool around with a shemale

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kormoc:

gotta admire any os that gets someone like Ceren, http://blog.koehntopp.de/uploads/ceren_ercen.jpg

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exobyte:

wait.

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exobyte:

ShiFTKey: how far have you gone with a girl?

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sn9_:

onewheelskyward: wouldn't that kinda defeat the purpose?

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ShiFTKey:

that ill never tell ;)

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exobyte:

ShiFTKey: i.e. before first base

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ShiFTKey:

i tried to make it to second but a fly went into my eye so i fell 2/3.

[06:27:19]

ShiFTKey:

but anyway

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ShiFTKey:

its 1:30 am

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ShiFTKey:

need to wake up in 5 hours

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ShiFTKey:

so ill be off

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exobyte:

ShiFTKey: uhhh

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exobyte:

6:30?

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exobyte:

what's at 6:30

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ShiFTKey:

work

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ShiFTKey:

well

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ShiFTKey:

shower, prep

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ShiFTKey:

then leave at 8:00 am

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sn9_:

something:30? my ntp must be on the blink

[06:28:31]

sn9_:

/exec -o date

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ShiFTKey:

yea its 1:30 here (eastern)

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sn9_:

Mon Feb 5 22:19:00 PST 2007

[06:28:49]

kormoc:

it's :28 here

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ShiFTKey:

ok

[06:28:54]

ShiFTKey:

im sory

[06:28:58]

ShiFTKey:

i cound up

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ShiFTKey:

round

[06:29:12]

ShiFTKey:

its 1:29:20 here

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ShiFTKey:

but anyway

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ShiFTKey:

i needs to go

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ShiFTKey:

later

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sn9_:

sudo hwclock --hctosys

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kormoc:

what a weird night

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sn9_:

there, much better

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sn9_:

Mon Feb 5 23:29:53 PST 2007

[06:31:10]

onewheelskyward:

Can anyone recommend a good 4–8 port gigabit switch?

[06:31:32]

sn9_:

anything managed

[06:31:42]

exobyte:

kormoc: back to normal

[06:31:48]

exobyte:

onewheelskyward: do you need it managed?

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sn9_:

unmanaged switches often require being shoved back up the ass they came out of

[06:32:58]

onewheelskyward:

I don't think so. It's just for home use.

[06:33:05]

exobyte:

onewheelskyward: whatever's cheap

[06:33:15]

onewheelskyward:

I'm gettin lost in MAC Address Table sizes, and buffer memory per port land.

[06:33:23]

exobyte:

onewheelskyward: a lot of the actual switch chips are made by either marvell or broadcom

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sn9_:

you really need gigabit at your house?

[06:33:36]

exobyte:

onewheelskyward: so they're pretty much the same

[06:33:47]

onewheelskyward:

Yeah. I copy VMWare images back and fro, same with digital pics. All of my motherboards have gigabit, so why not save the time?

[06:33:57]

sn9_:

ahhh

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kormoc:

onewheelskyward, unless you're gonna run a huge network, they'll all work fine for a normal home network

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sn9_:

i got confused by your asking for "good" equipment

[06:34:20]

onewheelskyward:

Nope...just my local machines and a low utilization web/mail/dns server.

[06:34:27]

onewheelskyward:

Sorry, that was a little vague. :)

[06:34:32]

exobyte:

onewheelskyward: and most switching fabrics for low port counts have good subscription rations

[06:34:42]

exobyte:

onewheelskyward: whatever's cheap

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sn9_:

that would be netgear

[06:35:30]

onewheelskyward:

I was just looking at netgear's 8 port. That would do the trick.

[06:35:40]

sn9_:

but never expect anything from netgear to be "good"

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exobyte:

one of these days I need to plug in my 48 port 10/100 switch

[06:35:59]

exobyte:

sn9_: you know they use the same vendors as linksys, right

[06:36:13]

sn9_:

yes

[06:36:34]

sn9_:

but somehow they still manage to increase the crap factor

[06:36:38]

exobyte:

lol

[06:36:39]

onewheelskyward:

Is there any advantage to Cat 6 cables over 5e if none of them are going to be longer than 12 feet?

[06:36:51]

kormoc:

exobyte, netgear is cisco owned?

[06:36:55]

exobyte:

I have a coworker who swears by netgear and curses linksys

[06:37:01]

exobyte:

kormoc: linksys is cisco owned

[06:37:13]

exobyte:

kormoc: and once I show up for work, so am I

[06:37:20]

kormoc:

exobyte, aye, but if they're the same, netgear would have to be too, no?

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exobyte:

kormoc: I meant that marvell and broadcom make most of the actual switch chips. Netgear and Linksys both buy the chips from them

[06:38:11]

kormoc:

ahh, fair nuff

[06:38:18]

kormoc:

the software is all that matters anyway :P

[06:38:30]

exobyte:

kormoc: on an unmanaged switch?

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sn9_:

managed switches and unmanaged switches can even use the same switch chips

[06:39:13]

kormoc:

sure, the difference between a linksys and a netgear switch is the firmware

[06:39:36]

kormoc:

it's all that really matters in the end, assmuming they can make hardware that is decent

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exobyte:

kormoc: some of these switch chips are a switch on a chip, that's it

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sn9_:

switch off a chip, too

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kormoc:

fair nuff

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exobyte:

kinda funny

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exobyte:

as far as managed switches, for the 24–48 port range, our foundry switches at work work finr

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exobyte:

]*fine

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exobyte:

not sure about force 10

[06:41:56]

exobyte:

or cisco

[06:42:19]

Fifth:

anyone have trouble with the ivtv drivers for 2.6.19 kernel?

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sn9_:

trendware ain't so trendy

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exobyte:

sn9_: agreed

[06:42:39]

exobyte:

avoid those idiots

[06:42:42]

onewheelskyward:

Fifth: Not me. I have a PVR-350 running under 2.6.19–1.

[06:43:28]

Fifth:

onewheelskyward, I've been having trouble with the backend disconnecting a lot since I installed it

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sn9_:

exobyte: perhaps you're confusing trendware with trend micro — very different idiots

[06:43:50]

onewheelskyward:

Fifth: disconnecting how? what version of ivtv are you running?

[06:44:11]

exobyte:

sn9_: does which one makes keyboards? that keyboad was ok

[06:44:11]

Fifth:

0.9.1

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exobyte:

the wifi card sucks

[06:45:09]

Fifth:

onewheelskyward, I'll start up mythtv front end and I'll go to either view recordings or look at whats scheduled and it takes a while and then says the backend is disconnected

[06:45:10]

sn9_:

exobyte: trendware makes managed switches. trend micro makes ... well, suffice it to say i want none of it

[06:45:33]

Fifth:

onewheelskyward, and its still running and so is mysql ...restarting the backend fixes it but if the backend is recording something at the time, it screws stuff up obviousy

[06:46:42]

onewheelskyward:

Fifth: Anything interesting in the logs? I'm pretty sure I'm using 0.8.0 but I'll check.

[06:46:52]

exobyte:

sn9_: I actually work on switches

[06:46:57]

exobyte:

sn9_: but the really big ones

[06:47:00]

ikke_:

does anyone here now know about tuning? My mythtv currently fails on tuning channels. Some existing tsid problem, upgrade bug likely...

[06:47:01]

Fifth:

onewheelskyward, I thought 0.8.0 was only with 2.6.18

[06:47:27]

onewheelskyward:

Fifth: My memory is probably at fault there. I've installed myth 4 times in the last 2 weeks on 3 linux distros. On the same box. :)

[06:47:42]

Fifth:

haha

[06:48:01]

onewheelskyward:

Yeah, I'm running 0.9.1–123

[06:48:05]

onewheelskyward:

On Fedora core 6

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Fifth:

ah k yah

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sn9_:

don't tell me you kept the same recordings through all those installs...

[06:48:43]

onewheelskyward:

sn9_: No I dumped them ... but I still have a few recording saved from my 2 year old myth install that I want to recover.

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sn9_:

nuvexport

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Fifth:

the other thing I did besides that was a file by file cp from one drive to the other....the program table complained about it

[06:49:13]

onewheelskyward:

I should say, my myth install that lasted 2 years. :) Yep, nuvexport. Just need to get around to it.

[06:49:22]

Fifth:

so I repaired all tables in the db but its still doin it bleh

[06:49:24]

onewheelskyward:

Fifth: File by file cp of the recordings?

[06:49:30]

Fifth:

no of the OS lol

[06:49:37]

Fifth:

switched from a 40GB to an 80GB

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sn9_:

should have used rsync

[06:50:29]

sn9_:

still,

[06:50:30]

sn9_:

should have used rsync

[06:50:33]

Fifth:

lol

[06:50:40]

onewheelskyward:

Yeah but nothing ever works the same when you copy it like that. Especially something like Myth that depends on database, kernel modules, hardware interaction ,etc.

[06:50:44]

Fifth:

does the same thing if theres nothing on the other side

[06:51:17]

Fifth:

yah well thats my next thing, reinstall the darn thing

[06:51:25]

Fifth:

lose all my recording history bleh

[06:52:07]

onewheelskyward:

Do you have the old HD intact?

[06:52:27]

onewheelskyward:

I'm pretty sure there's a myth data migration howto.

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Fifth:

nah reinstalled over it (swapped the 2 drives, one was in a windows box)

[06:52:42]

onewheelskyward:

If your old system works, you can probably still...whoops. :)

[06:52:49]

Fifth:

just wanted to preserve my gentoo install ...reinstalling windows is no big lol

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onewheelskyward:

Gentoo is the one I just gave up on. I got tired of emerge breaking my system.

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Fifth:

haha

[06:53:25]

Fifth:

I run ~arch at work and dont run into problems really /shrug

[06:53:42]

onewheelskyward:

Yeah that's the funny part...it's the stabe stream that screws you. :)

[06:53:45]

Fifth:

LOL

[06:53:46]

onewheelskyward:

stable.

[06:54:28]

Fifth:

aight well thx for the advice. Guess I'll redo the DB and re-emerge both ivtv and myth and see how that goes.

[06:54:33]

onewheelskyward:

I then installed Ubuntu, which was very nice after my ~2 day gentoo installs/compiles. But when I set myth up to record (using the packages) it would record exactly 58 seconds and then stop. Everything looked like it was working, but I only ever got 58 second recordings.

[06:54:46]

Fifth:

lol that sux

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sn9_:

i installed myth on knoppix

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sn9_:

not knoppmyth, either

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onewheelskyward:

sn9_: Kept myth on an HD partition that Knoppix read on boot?

[06:56:32]

sn9_:

no, knx-hdinstall, or whatever it was

[06:56:53]

onewheelskyward:

Aah. I've only ever used Knoppix for rescues.

[06:56:59]

onewheelskyward:

It's damn handy to have around.

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sn9_:

yeah, i always recommend against installing knoppix to hd

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sn9_:

i had a reasonable reason to go against my own recommendation

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onewheelskyward:

Do as you say, not as you do.

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Fifth:

yah knoppix is nice too cuz it has ndiswrapper...only way I could install Gentoo on my laptop with its wireless card haha

[06:58:35]

sn9_:

my doing is further proof that it's a bad idea

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sn9_:

ndiswrapper does not work with newer kernels due to the stack size change

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onewheelskyward:

Thankfully the wireless drivers are much, much better now.

[06:59:31]

Fifth:

oh yah? I think I installed 2.6.17....18 and 19 no go?

[06:59:52]

sn9_:

.17 is borderline — .18 will not work

[07:00:06]

Fifth:

weird, first I heard of it

[07:00:11]

Fifth:

sux for the cards that arent supported

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sn9_:

which wifi chip you got?

[07:00:44]

Fifth:

crap cant remember was some $10 pcmcia card lol

[07:01:08]

sn9_:

oh, a card

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onewheelskyward:

Is the AverMedia MCE A180 a reasonable over the air HD tuner?

[07:01:39]

sn9_:

i have never seen a pcmcia one cost only $10

[07:01:51]

onewheelskyward:

I have...computer show and sale. Wonderful place. :)

[07:01:52]

Fifth:

lol you've never seen Fry's then

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sn9_:

at fry's, the only $10 wifi is usb

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Fifth:

weird, where I got my $10 pcmcia haha

[07:02:34]

Fifth:

802.11g too

[07:02:43]

sn9_:

they have a cardbus one for $15

[07:02:53]

Fifth:

was few months ago

[07:02:57]

Fifth:

shrug

[07:03:35]

sn9_:

i got the $15 card — no ndis needed

[07:04:04]

sn9_:

and it's endorsed by the fsf

[07:05:02]

kormoc:

onewheelskyward, it can try, if it works or not is more up to you

[07:05:17]

sn9_:

the $10 usb one needs no ndis either — and the chipmaker is even more linux-friendly than the fsf-endorsed one

[07:05:31]

sn9_:

all at fry's

[07:06:17]

sn9_:

fry's has routers that can potentially run openwrt for $30

[07:07:50]

sn9_:

"made in china" == tech for less

[07:11:16]

sn9_:

gonna move off the laptop now...

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[07:43:48]

kambei:

Is there some kind of HD capture device with component inputs?

[07:44:40]

onewheelskyward:

Not that I've seen on Newegg. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist, though.

[07:45:23]

kambei:

I am pretty sure that even if it does exist, it will be uber-expensive.

[07:45:31]

kambei:

But it can't hurt to ask, eh?

[07:45:48]

onewheelskyward:

Not at all!

[07:45:51]

kambei:

Of course, the other catch is that it would have to be Linux-friendly.

[07:45:51]

onewheelskyward:

I've never shopped for them.

[07:46:00]

onewheelskyward:

Are you trying to record from an HD DVD player?

[07:46:27]

kambei:

No.

[07:46:30]

kambei:

HD cable box.

[07:46:48]

kambei:

The channels that are not must-carry are encrypted.

[07:46:50]

kormoc:

well, if you get a AJA HD10A ($1500), you can convert component into HD-SDI, and then a blackmagic design decklink hd ($600) to convert from HD-SDI to DVCPRO HD, which you should be able to capture on a computer

[07:47:13]

kambei:

Yeah, that's pretty much what I figured.

[07:47:14]

kormoc:

but there's no linux drivers for the blackmagic cards

[07:48:00]

onewheelskyward:

Aah that makes sense. Let the cable box decrypt, then hijack the clear-text (as it were) from the component outputs.

[07:48:00]

sn9:

the best you can hope for is a 1394 connection

[07:48:09]

kambei:

I have one.

[07:48:22]

kormoc:

but it's mostly encrypted eh?

[07:48:25]

kambei:

As I said, I can capture the "broadcast" channels, but.. yes.

[07:48:28]

kambei:

Mostly encrypted.

[07:58:48]

kambei:

Thanks for the help, guys.

[07:59:23]

kambei:

Alas, I fear my quest is doomed to failure.

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mchou:

sn9: which routers at frys run openwrt for $30?

[08:16:23]

mchou:

sn9: that's news to me

[08:16:41]

sn9:

openwrt still needs to be ported to them

[08:16:49]

mchou:

lol

[08:17:01]

sn9:

http://mhos.free.fr

[08:17:08]

mchou:

why dont you stop bullshitting

[08:17:36]

sn9:

because it WILL be done

[08:17:43]

mchou:

sn9: lol

[08:18:48]

mchou:

openwrt has issues going to the new toolchain as it is. they dont need other "distractions"

[08:19:49]

mchou:

White Russian to Kamikaze has been taking a very long time

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sn9:

the ports are not distractions

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sn9:

bbl

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nuonguy:

has there been any resolution on the high-load on the .20 release?

[09:37:44]

nuonguy:

My box ran fine on FC4i386

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onewheelskyward:

There's a high load issue? I haven't noticed it.

[09:38:08]

nuonguy:

I recently installed FC6 x86_64 and the load seems much, much higher

[09:38:19]

onewheelskyward:

Can you quantify that?

[09:38:25]

nuonguy:

the CPU is often pegged at 100% for extended periods

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nuonguy:

I'm using the ivtv driver

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onewheelskyward:

Which process pegs it?

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nuonguy:

it has a documented bug when recording at 480x480

[09:39:14]

nuonguy:

mythcommflag and/or mysql and/or mythfrontend are at the top when I run 'htop'

[09:39:34]

nuonguy:

so, I set my recording profiles to record at 720x480 and maybe it's a disk throughput issue

[09:39:45]

nuonguy:

the video gets kinda slow and jerky during busy times

[09:39:57]

onewheelskyward:

Yeah that's a disk i/o limitation possibly

[09:40:13]

onewheelskyward:

I'm running FC6, but the 32 bit version. It's quite smooth.

[09:40:43]

onewheelskyward:

If I'm running one stream to my frontend, and something like updatedb runs, my playback gets jerky, too. It's my hard drive though, not the CPU.

[09:40:44]

nuonguy:

on the mailing list, a few people complained about the high load on .20 but there never seemed to be any resolution to the issue

[09:41:21]

onewheelskyward:

Is it x64 specific?

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nuonguy:

didn't seem to be from the posts I read

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nuonguy:

should there be 10 instance of each mysqld and mythbackend running?

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onewheelskyward:

No.

[09:42:58]

onewheelskyward:

One mythbackend, one mysqld usually.

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nuonguy:

htop lists a whole bunch of each

[09:43:38]

nuonguy:

is it showing me which threads are running?

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onewheelskyward:

Well, I take it back — I have 2 mysqld's listed. mysqld and mysqld_safe

[09:43:54]

onewheelskyward:

But you should only have one mythbackend process.

[09:44:34]

onewheelskyward:

how many do you see when you ps auxww | grep mythbackend ?

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nuonguy:

the help page doesn't show what 'mythcommflag -j 7749' means

[09:45:22]

nuonguy:

heh

[09:45:23]

nuonguy:

only one

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nuonguy:

similar with mysql

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onewheelskyward:

Ok, good.

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hads:

htop may show threads

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nuonguy:

ah

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nuonguy:

I saw one post that mentioned a bunch of changes to /etc/my.cnf — does that make any difference?

[09:47:26]

onewheelskyward:

I don't think that's your problem.

[09:48:19]

onewheelskyward:

I suspect you're hitting an I/O limit of some sort while recording, commflagging and playing...each one of those items has the hard drive seeking to a different spot nearly simultaneously.

[09:48:38]

onewheelskyward:

Not to mention writing to mysql, too.

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nuonguy:

Is that the jobs field in the mythtv-setup screen?

[09:48:50]

onewheelskyward:

Is the playback OK while nothing is being recorded?

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nuonguy:

oh yeah

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hads:

Speaking of IO, anyone know of something like an iotop to monitor disk access

[09:49:11]

nuonguy:

wait – I never verified that thoroughly

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onewheelskyward:

hads: The only thing I've used is gkrellm, but it's overall disk access, not process based.

[09:49:53]

onewheelskyward:

hads: it has some nice info, though.

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hads:

nuonguy: Yeah, I hadn't ever looked at it. I am now. Cheers

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nuonguy:

I just issued 'yum search iostat' and it came up with sysstat and also dstat

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hads:

Yup, that's given me some stuff to play with

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nuonguy:

'maximum simultaneous jobs on this backend' is set to 2

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nuonguy:

what would happen if I lowered that to one

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nuonguy:

?

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onewheelskyward:

mythcommflag would likely not run during recordings anymore.

[09:55:36]

nuonguy:

Would it wait to flag commercials until the recorder was idle?

[09:55:38]

onewheelskyward:

But...you might beable to watch and record at the same time.

[09:55:48]

hads:

Yes, you will be able to

[09:56:10]

onewheelskyward:

Oh, I mean it might free up enough IO bandwidth to rid you of the stutter.

[09:56:35]

hads:

Ah yes, I get you now :)

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onewheelskyward:

nuonguy: What kind of machine is this running on? cpu, ram, hd?

[09:58:56]

nuonguy:

It's an Athlon 64 with 1G DDR333 and a bunch of serial ATA and IDE drives in a logical volume

[09:59:10]

nuonguy:

It is capable of doing DDR400, but I didn't have any when I built it

[09:59:18]

onewheelskyward:

oh interesting. I wonder if the LVM is causing any issues. That has some overhead.

[09:59:20]

nuonguy:

How much difference would that make?

[09:59:20]

justinh:

wheee lvm – the quickest way to lose all your data

[09:59:37]

hads:

Bah, LVM rocks

[09:59:38]

onewheelskyward:

DDR333 -> DDR400 won't do much for you.

[09:59:41]

nuonguy:

justinh: that's what smartd is supposed to prevent me from happening

[09:59:59]

nuonguy:

justinh: I've already had a drive degrade very badly for me

[10:00:00]

justinh:

mmmyers

[10:00:17]

nuonguy:

I stuffed in a new drive, did a few magical LVM commands, and voila! all my data was intact

[10:00:24]

onewheelskyward:

Are there any single drive vs. RAID 0 vs. LVM benchmarks out there?

[10:00:25]

nuonguy:

thank you smartctl

[10:02:10]

nuonguy:

I'm going to have to wait until tomorrow to restart the backend cuz it's going to be recording all night it seems

[10:04:17]

onewheelskyward:

bah just blip it. Why wait, it will start the recordings back up. :)

[10:05:41]

nuonguy:

often I do, but I know someone is going to want to watch colbert/stewart tomorrow

[10:06:21]

nuonguy:

AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+

[10:06:29]

nuonguy:

what is the actual clock speed?

[10:06:38]

onewheelskyward:

Probably 2.0Ghz

[10:06:43]

onewheelskyward:

cat /proc/cpuinfo

[10:07:05]

onewheelskyward:

You must be in Hawaii?

[10:07:10]

nuonguy:

california

[10:07:19]

onewheelskyward:

Colber/stuart aired 3 hours ago. :)

[10:07:25]

hads:

My box is currently doing about 1500kB/s IO while watching LiveTV and doing a commflag

[10:07:26]

nuonguy:

cpu MHz : 2000.000

[10:07:36]

nuonguy:

yes it did, but it was recording some other crap at 11pm

[10:07:48]

onewheelskyward:

hads: Damn that's a lot of thruput

[10:07:50]

nuonguy:

hads: how did you measure that?

[10:07:58]

nuonguy:

how did you get that throughput?

[10:08:04]

hads:

iostat -d 1 -t -k

[10:08:09]

onewheelskyward:

And it's non-sequential, too.

[10:08:46]

hads:

Using around 60% CPU on my old Athlon 1500

[10:08:58]

nuonguy:

non-sequential?

[10:09:00]

onewheelskyward:

Frontend backend on the same system?

[10:09:17]

hads:

Yeah, that's my main frontend/backend

[10:09:43]

hads:

In the process of setting up minimyth on a EPIA board

[10:10:13]

onewheelskyward:

My understanding is that myth dumps live TV to a buffer, which mythcommflag then parses. So the LiveTV is writing to point A on the drive, while mythcommflag is hitting point B somewhere behind it. Then you have the frontend watching from point C...the heads are probably all over the place.

[10:11:19]

hads:

LiveTV recordings don't get touched by commflag do they?

[10:11:42]

nuonguy:

love to stay and chat but I gotta gem some sleep

[10:11:48]

nuonguy:

nice chatting, guys

[10:11:49]

onewheelskyward:

No. I guess my scenario more applies to watching a scheduled recording while it's recording.

[10:11:55]

pat__:

1.5 MB/s isn't much

[10:12:03]

hads:

onewheelskyward: Yeah,

[10:12:48]

onewheelskyward:

I'm hitting 600–900KB/s just watching live TV.

[10:13:41]

hads:

pat__: Yeah, not a lot at all really.

[10:14:13]

hads:

This is a SATA I and SATA II drive on a SATA I bus.

[10:17:03]

onewheelskyward:

my SATA drive can copy single files at 19–33MB per second, but that's not quite a real world test.

[10:18:17]

pat__:

bollocks, any modern drive should be able to handle that without too much problems, if it can't you don't have dma turned on

[10:18:25]

pat__:

s/much/many/

[10:18:30]

** pat__ goes to pick up his wife **

[10:19:38]

onewheelskyward:

You know what's weird...after several days my VMWare Gentoo MythTV is finally playing at a full frame rate. It used to give me about 3 FPS at times.

[10:22:40]

onewheelskyward:

I've got 3 frontends running while recording, and it's about 2.0 MB/s solid. My uptime is up to 7, but the system seems OK overall.

[10:24:32]

onewheelskyward:

I wonder how much worse that would be on a system that didn't have hardware MPEG-2 encoding?

[10:38:57]

ikke_:

does anyone here now know about channel tuning? My mythtv suddenly fails on tuning channels. Some existing tsid problem, upgrade bug likely...

[10:42:01]

justinh:

suddenly fails.. hmm that's not quite enough info to go on

[10:44:51]

ikke_:

hey, i'm glad to debug whatever if someone just picks up helping.

[10:45:04]

ikke_:

didn't want to paste all here if no one is interested

[10:45:10]

justinh:

how can anybody help when you don't give enough information?

[10:45:25]

justinh:

and you don't want to paste it all here because flooding is naughty

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ikke_:

i will now that you tell you are willing to help. wait a second

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ikke_:

i'll use pastebin

[10:45:46]

justinh:

did I say I was willing to help?!

[10:46:04]

ikke_:

okey, won't then

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justinh:

just open it up to the channel

[10:46:33]

ikke_:

you mean manually tune a channel?

[10:46:37]

justinh:

paste it, invite folks to take a look and people might know what's up

[10:47:03]

ikke_:

ok. already mailed to mythusers mailing list yesterday.

[10:47:14]

justinh:

and they said?

[10:47:20]

ikke_:

... no answer

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ikke_:

aargh... boss calling to somewhere. bbl.

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ikke_:

anyone willing to help on tuning errors described here: http://pastebin.com/876563

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justinh:

must be a pain when support requests go unanswered for 24 hours, especially when you're paying so much for the product

[11:03:41]

justinh:

ikke_: I'd advise you to email the -dev list about this

[11:03:53]

justinh:

or try upgrading to a newer checkout of svn

[11:04:04]

justinh:

actually try upgrading first

[11:04:16]

justinh:

check for open tickets about the problem too

[11:05:01]

justinh:

as always, when you use SVN – YMMV :)

[11:05:23]

ikke_:

thanks. i checked the tickets, i googled around and checked mailing list archives. i did upgrade, i had couple weeks old svn before that. i'll mail to -dev.

[11:05:42]

justinh:

head gets updated more frequently than every fortnight

[11:06:10]

justinh:

you have a suspiciously high number of rows in dtv_multiplex, even for using cable!

[11:06:13]

ikke_:

yep, i follow the tickets via rss daily, and immediately update when there is something i need

[11:06:44]

justinh:

this definitely needs a developer to look at it I think

[11:06:47]

ikke_:

i know, that's why i thought it's a bug. i deleted them last night, and it started working faster. but still tunes only on one multiplex

[11:08:45]

ikke_:

and operator sends only 22 multiplexes. first tune i did last night picked up 400 multiplexes. weird.

[11:34:25]

justinh:

definitely sounds like a scanning bug

[11:34:39]

justinh:

you might be able to work around it by importing a channels.conf file from a dvb-utils scan

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[11:40:01]

ikke_:

that's what i thought there was some caveat using channels.conf

[11:40:40]

ikke_:

i would like to help devs fix this once for good, not to go around it. like said, this happened to me before also.

[11:40:42]

justinh:

quite easy to work around it & fix though

[11:40:59]

justinh:

and as you rightly say, better to fix it than step around ;)

[11:41:37]

ikke_:

it's more open source way... contribute at least testing if not coding :)

[11:44:41]

ikke_:

after this is fixed, i will take traces why nokia n800 doesn't work with upnp. let's see which end is buggy and is it fixable.

[11:44:52]

justinh:

a phone?

[11:45:08]

ikke_:

no, small handheld linux toy

[11:45:16]

justinh:

can it play full-res video?

[11:45:23]

justinh:

like 720x576?

[11:45:34]

justinh:

if not, I wouldn't bother

[11:45:39]

ikke_:

800x600 display, no idea yet what it is capable

[11:46:37]

ikke_:

but the upnp browser is cool. it immediately finds mythtv and all it is offering.

[11:47:10]

ikke_:

too bad it gives "object no found" while pressing play

[11:49:14]

justinh:

too bad that the upnp 'standard' is interpreted so differently by different manufacturers

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ikke_:

good part is that the player in question is OSS stuff

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ikke_:

there would be a change to get it to work

[11:54:37]

justinh:

there we go. it's as if neon-wide never existed now

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rsdvd:

justinh : have I missed something? why have you removed your theme?

[12:02:50]

justinh:

what theme?

[12:03:07]

justinh:

no more sneak peaks

[12:03:12]

justinh:

it'll be ready when it's ready

[12:03:33]

justinh:

people are whining about it & it's not even out yet ffs

[12:03:39]

rsdvd:

:-) arhh.....you are building up the suspense – are we getting someone famous to cut the ribbon?

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justinh:

there will be no fanfare

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rsdvd:

there should be – your themes are excellent and deserve allthe pomp and ceremory they can muster

[12:05:27]

justinh:

obviously I'll tip some people off & put a linky on the wiki but otherwise no noise will be made

[12:05:54]

rsdvd:

well include me on your list :-)

[12:06:14]

rsdvd:

btw, my S100 seems to be fubar – I have no idea why

[12:07:07]

justinh:

ouchy

[12:07:37]

justinh:

you tried unplugging the mains, leaving it for a bit then trying again?

[12:07:56]

justinh:

they can be a tad touchy, those switchmode supplies

[12:07:56]

rsdvd:

It only 'flashes' when it has been off for a while.....and there is a 'chriping' coming from the PSU part

[12:08:14]

rsdvd:

it never seems to even get to BIOS

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justinh:

probably something drawing too much current IMHO

[12:08:43]

rsdvd:

I have not added anythign to it – the only thing in there is the DoM

[12:09:00]

** rsdvd wonders if something is shorting ? **

[12:11:10]

** gbee|bed tries his fourth version of the patch, fourth times the charm, right? **

[12:12:07]

justinh:

huh? the links are still on the pages I'm downloading :(

[12:12:13]

justinh:

but not on the ftp server

[12:12:15]

justinh:

weird

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rsdvd:

cache

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rsdvd:

the actual neon-wide page is missing though

[12:13:10]

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justinh:

sorting it out

[12:15:07]

Merlin83b:

Why are you justinh today, juski?

[12:15:22]

rsdvd:

shhhh! under cover :-)

[12:15:43]

justinh:

permanent change of nick

[12:16:37]

gbee:

keeping everyone on their toes

[12:17:13]

gbee:

now I've got to remember not to bad mouth juski in front of justinh ;)

[12:17:36]

justinh:

I don't wanna have a voice in here anymore either. too tempting to kickban people who piss me off. which is a few people every day

[12:18:36]

** gbee waits for the kicking **

[12:18:47]

rsdvd:

justinh : have you dropped your mod status then?

[12:19:09]

justinh:

mod of the forums?

[12:19:18]

rsdvd:

yes

[12:19:20]

justinh:

I'm frequently tempted to

[12:19:56]

justinh:

luckily the forums don't need much moderating

[12:20:25]

rsdvd:

quck MySQL question – if I grant permission to 'fred'@'%' that shoud include connecting from localhost shouldn't it ?

[12:21:33]

justinh:

dunno. i'd imagine so

[12:21:59]

kashikoi[rev]:

ive found a graphic bug in one of the mythtv themes

[12:22:02]

Merlin83b:

I've often found localhost needs to be specified explicitly, rsdvd. Never quite understood it.

[12:22:09]

rsdvd:

so would I – but I cannto login from localhsot – but I can from every other host – strange

[12:22:24]

kashikoi[rev]:

http://clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/mythtv/Screenshot-4.png http://clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/mythtv/Screenshot-6.png

[12:22:49]

rsdvd:

Merlin83b : yes – I seem to need 2 grants – one localhost and one '%'

[12:22:53]

kashikoi[rev]:

in those 2 pics you can see that some of the buttons didnt clear off the screen when i scrolled down

[12:23:30]

kashikoi[rev]:

rsdvd mysql does that and one way to get arround it is to connect to the external ip

[12:24:12]

kashikoi[rev]:

and in mysql % is a wildcard like * in other programs

[12:24:23]

justinh:

kashikoi[rev]: not my theme :)

[12:24:32]

rsdvd:

kashikoi[rev] : not always possible – I have a backup application that only connects to localhost

[12:24:38]

kashikoi[rev]:

i have my frontend set to random theme

[12:24:51]

kashikoi[rev]:

rsdvd ahh:)

[12:25:02]

kashikoi[rev]:

find the mythtv password for mysql

[12:25:06]

kashikoi[rev]:

login to mysql as root

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justinh:

random theme? eew

[12:25:32]

kashikoi[rev]:

grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@`localhost` identified by 'PASSWORD';

[12:25:54]

rsdvd:

kashikoi[rev] : I have created a 'super' dataabse user for the backup app......just needed 2 Grants to allow the connections – just checking it was not jsut me :-)

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[12:26:05]

kashikoi:

ahh:)

[12:26:19]

kashikoi:

yeah i beleive mysql allways needs seperate grants for local and remote

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rsdvd:

ok

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kashikoi:

localhost would also i think cover the unix socket

[12:26:33]

Merlin83b:

pipes and ip connections, I think.

[12:26:36]

Merlin83b:

Yep, that.

[12:26:38]

kashikoi:

which cant be used by remote people

[12:27:01]

kashikoi:

if access to the box itself is secured you could put no password on the localhost users for example

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rsdvd:

ok – I just never noticed before – and I have been using MySQL for 7 years :-)

[12:27:27]

kashikoi:

but if even 1 untrusted person had ssh access he would be able to get to all those users

[12:27:43]

kashikoi:

ive been using mysql for 1–2 years

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kashikoi:

3 servers atm but mostly just spares

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justinh:

there. all gone

[12:30:02]

kashikoi:

brb

[12:30:41]

justinh:

gotta be kidding about ticket 3048, surely...

[12:32:10]

justinh:

ahh the -dev list post wasn't quite in context

[12:33:16]

** rsdvd considers joining the -dev list – seems more interesting **

[12:33:44]

** justinh laughs **

[12:34:06]

justinh:

there's a much higher signal to noise ratio if that's what you mean

[12:34:33]

justinh:

"hey I have a box which runs what might look like linux on it. can it be a mythbox? TELL ME NOW!"

[12:34:34]

rsdvd:

:-) so politely put – less crap

[12:34:47]

rsdvd:

lol – you hate those don;t you

[12:35:53]

justinh:

fucking RETARDS

[12:36:02]

rsdvd:

LOL LMAO

[12:36:03]

justinh:

oops

[12:36:53]

justinh:

anyway, time for me to have one of those nice yellow pills

[12:37:35]

rsdvd:

:-) don't forget eh blues ones aswell :-)

[12:37:58]

daviey:

juski, take the whole packet ;)

[12:38:02]

justinh:

nah I took the red pill. I see clueless people

[12:39:46]

Beirdo:

justinh, tryin to hide, are we? ;)

[12:39:54]

Beirdo:

mount: barrel:/opt/gavin-laptop: can't read superblock

[12:39:57]

Beirdo:

WTF?!

[12:40:10]

Beirdo:

NFS can't read superblock?!

[12:40:23]

justinh:

it was either this or go MIA, not something I feel capable of doing

[12:40:27]

kashikoi:

yeah ive had that error before too with a network based fs

[12:40:38]

kashikoi:

how can a network based fs have a superblock?

[12:40:44]

Beirdo:

justinh, fair enough :) No skin off my back :)

[12:41:43]

Beirdo:

the fileserver sees the mount request and authorizes it

[12:41:53]

Beirdo:

but the client throws that retarded error

[12:42:26]

kashikoi:

lol

[12:42:39]

Beirdo:

hmmm, wonder what I should do... maybe reboot the client machine too

[12:43:21]

daviey:

Hi, anybody having this problem with mytharchive http://pastebin.co.uk/9975

[12:43:22]

Beirdo:

heheh

[12:43:56]

** kashikoi points out to justinh that its ##linux **

[12:44:06]

Beirdo:

speaking of retarded

[12:44:15]

daviey:

stop speaking about me

[12:44:32]

Beirdo:

heh, I was talking about ## channels this time, daviey :)

[12:44:40]

daviey:

fair 'nuff

[12:44:45]

justinh:

kashikoi: smart-ass

[12:45:34]

kashikoi:

:P

[12:45:42]

kashikoi:

kashikoi is japanese for wise/smart/clever

[12:46:00]

justinh:

what's japanese for ass ?

[12:46:01]

Beirdo:

couldn't fit the "ass" part in?

[12:46:02]

justinh:

;)

[12:46:03]

Beirdo:

heh

[12:46:14]

kashikoi:

i normaly go by the name clever online:P

[12:46:30]

daviey:

does it go right by you?

[12:46:39]

justinh:

oh god no

[12:46:52]

justinh is now known as modest

[12:46:57]

kashikoi:

lol

[12:46:59]

modest:

I'm fucking brilliant, me

[12:47:06]

Beirdo:

OMG, someone actually posted this error on mythtv-users too

[12:47:08]

daviey:

ha

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[12:47:26]

daviey:

Beirdo, what error, being too modest?

[12:47:31]

Beirdo:

mount: barrel:/opt/gavin-laptop: can't read superblock

[12:47:33]

Beirdo:

that one :)

[12:48:08]

kashikoi:

how can i view shows that ive marked to have mythtv record?

[12:48:50]

daviey:

kashikoi, watch recordings?

[12:48:56]

kashikoi:

it isnt listed in there

[12:49:27]

kashikoi:

that only lists the stuff that was recorded while i watched it

[12:50:11]

daviey:

you must have it filtered for live tv only. Have you checked mythweb?

[12:50:20]

kashikoi:

dont beleive mythweb is installed

[12:50:32]

kashikoi:

and i have watchrecordings set to allprograms

[12:50:33]

daviey:

if all else fails; throw your machine away. That solves most issues

[12:50:44]

kashikoi:

http://clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/mythtv/Screenshot-2.png shows that its set for allprograms

[12:50:59]

kashikoi:

http://clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/mythtv/Screenshot-3.png shows the missing show was recently recorded

[12:51:15]

Beirdo:

fuck this, I'm gonna reboot the client

[12:51:18]

Beirdo:

BRB

[12:51:36]

daviey:

kashikoi, what OS are you running?

[12:51:39]

Beirdo:

but first apt-get upgrade :)

[12:51:41]

kashikoi:

ubuntu

[12:51:50]

kashikoi:

6.06 i think

[12:51:56]

gbee:

kashikoi: you're misunderstanding what we mean when we say 'filtered'

[12:52:15]

gbee:

hit M for menu (at least I think it's M)

[12:52:15]

kashikoi:

where else could it be filtering the list?

[12:52:40]

gbee:

there is an option "Change Group Filter"

[12:52:52]

kashikoi:

now its asking changegroupfilter changegroupview changegrouppassword and add this recording to playlist

[12:52:57]

** kashikoi selects **

[12:53:21]

kashikoi:

i see it now

[12:53:28]

daviey:

wooohooo

[12:53:44]

gbee:

make sure it is set to All Programmes :)

[12:53:44]

Beirdo:

definitely not an NFS server issue, I can mount from a different machine no prob

[12:53:53]

Beirdo:

so client will get a boot to the head

[12:53:54]

kashikoi:

isnt showing the right show though

[12:54:03]

kashikoi:

i think my dad changes the cablebox channel when it was recording

[12:54:10]

fryfrog:

doh :/

[12:54:11]

kashikoi:

changed*

[12:54:20]

kashikoi:

it was only a test record to see if it worked

[12:54:35]

fryfrog:

I'm considering moving my 2 cable boxes upstairs with my master backend instead of on a remote fe/be :)

[12:54:54]

kashikoi:

i could put all 3 cableboxes on my backend

[12:55:02]

kashikoi:

but i only have 1 input card right now

[12:55:09]

daviey:

kashikoi, you have *3* cable boxes?!!?

[12:55:18]

kashikoi:

can i use the composite svideo and tuner all at once from the same card?:P

[12:55:30]

daviey:

probably not, but what card?

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kashikoi:

bt848 decoder chip

[12:55:43]

daviey:

no

[12:55:59]

kashikoi:

k

[12:56:14]

daviey:

hmm, so will you set up 3 irblasters?

[12:56:24]

kashikoi:

i cant get lirc to encode

[12:56:30]

kashikoi:

i mean compile

[12:56:31]

fryfrog:

kashikoi: if you are lucky, all three cable boxes have firewire?

[12:56:41]

daviey:

kashikoi, it's easy on ubuntu

[12:56:42]

fryfrog:

my two DCT6412's have firewire, ftw

[12:56:48]

kashikoi:

none of the boxes have firewire

[12:56:53]

kashikoi:

and its a dct2000

[12:56:58]

kashikoi:

serial

[12:57:03]

kashikoi:

not enabled yet though

[12:57:23]

kashikoi:

daviey: how did you compile lirc?

[12:57:50]

daviey:

hmm, patch the kerne;l

[12:57:59]

kashikoi:

lol

[12:58:14]

kashikoi:

wont the system mess that up when the kernel upgrade comes in?

[12:58:34]

daviey:

no, it really is EASY once you follow the guide (i fudged it and took me 2 days, once i followed the guide it was a 5 minute job)

[12:58:35]

kashikoi:

id think a module would be safer

[12:58:43]

kashikoi:

link?

[12:59:08]

daviey:

it's in my browser fav's of my frontend box

[12:59:09]

daviey:

wait

[12:59:11]

daviey:

1

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daviey:

kashikoi, btw lirc-0.7.3pre1 won't compile on dapper#

[13:00:44]

kashikoi:

lirc-0.8.1.tar.bz2 is what i have

[13:01:04]

kashikoi:

also ubuntu gives me a tar of lirc module source when i try to install the lirc package

[13:01:33]

kashikoi:

/usr/src/lirc-modules.tar.gz

[13:02:04]

daviey:

kashikoi, it's a guide for edgy though https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Edgy

[13:02:43]

justinh:

ahh wedgy

[13:02:49]

daviey:

ahh

[13:03:11]

daviey:

kashikoi, you should be able to follow it; but uname -r in place of kernel version

[13:03:30]

kashikoi:

yep

[13:03:31]

fryfrog:

kashikoi: its cause you need to run some m-a commands

[13:03:48]

fryfrog:

hang on, someone sent me the url yesterday

[13:04:20]

fryfrog:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Edgy

[13:04:23]

kashikoi:

daviey: i have an irda port id like to try using on my ubuntu laptop

[13:04:24]

fryfrog:

near the bottom

[13:04:25]

daviey:

and if your using a serial ir device; then you will need setserial

[13:04:35]

justinh:

irda won't work with consumer IR devices

[13:04:45]

kashikoi:

ahh:(

[13:04:50]

fryfrog:

check out that guys alternate source for ubuntu, and see the instructions for using m-a stuff

[13:04:53]

kashikoi:

i'll just make another serial one then

[13:05:05]

daviey:

kashikoi, but my laptop has a 'consumer ir sensor' but i aint tried getting that to work yet

[13:06:12]

kashikoi:

how would i check to see what it is?

[13:06:37]

kashikoi:

lol

[13:06:37]

kashikoi:

â Even if you choose to dos so, you should build and install a binary 'kernel modules' package so that the â

[13:06:39]

kashikoi:

dos?

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justinh:

hrm. I need to find either a pci-e sata2 controller that supports port multipliers or a motherboard with the same

[13:12:54]

fryfrog:

you mean those sata ports that are really 4 ports?

[13:13:10]

fryfrog:

or a port that will accept one of those devices that lets you put 2 sata devices on one sata port?

[13:13:30]

kashikoi:

daviey: for some reason lirc is complaining about a lack of bttv sources

[13:13:47]

justinh:

fryfrog: no a controller which will support port multipliers

[13:14:25]

fryfrog:

yes, great restate exactly what you said that clarifies it to me

[13:14:54]

justinh:

port multipliers are the chips which basically allow up to 5 sata disks to use one port

[13:15:02]

fryfrog:

ahhhh

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rsdvd:

"What are port multipliers?

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rsdvd:

[13:15:10]

rsdvd:

Port multipliers are silicon-based devices that allow a single Serial ATA port to communicate with multiple drives.

[13:15:10]

rsdvd:

"

[13:15:11]

fryfrog:

don't they get starved of bandwidth?

[13:15:25]

justinh:

nope

[13:15:44]

justinh:

not when you consider a HDD can't get anywhere near saturating a sata port

[13:16:29]

fryfrog:

neat

[13:17:00]

justinh:

yeah neat but very little info bout which chipsets support it

[13:17:45]

justinh:

bought a silicon image pci card a while back & it doesn't even work with seagate hdds

[13:17:49]

justinh:

frickin POS!

[13:18:41]

justinh:

funny cos I ordered an adaptec card believing them to be a make of good repute

[13:19:00]

justinh:

says adaptec on the box, silicon image on the card

[13:20:14]

Beirdo:

my problem with the NFS mount – my firewall

[13:20:17]

Beirdo:

flush the state table, works fine

[13:20:27]

** Beirdo shakes his fist at OpenBSD, first time it's done THAT **

[13:21:20]

kashikoi:

lol

[13:21:57]

Beirdo:

the laptop needed a reboot anyways

[13:22:34]

Beirdo:

firefox somehow magically eats memory that never gets released. At least that seems to be the culprit

[13:22:53]

Beirdo:

and this laptop has 384MB RAM, so...

[13:23:18]

kashikoi:

Beirdo when i close all firefox windows my ff releases the ram

[13:23:47]

Beirdo:

well, mine doesn't seem to. it somehow eats about 80MB of unreleased RAM every time it gets started

[13:24:01]

Beirdo:

which isn't supposed to be possible

[13:24:05]

kashikoi:

ps aux|sort -nk6

[13:24:14]

kashikoi:

list all programs and sort by resident mem usage

[13:24:24]

Beirdo:

I've done it many times

[13:25:08]

Beirdo:

I've just given up for now. Every week or so, I reboot it to prevent eventual kernel panic

[13:25:16]

kashikoi:

lol

[13:25:31]

Beirdo:

and it only happens on the laptop

[13:25:36]

Beirdo:

not on any of my other machines

[13:25:42]

Beirdo:

it's friggin weird

[13:25:42]

kashikoi:

heard of sysrq?

[13:25:47]

Beirdo:

yeah

[13:25:58]

Beirdo:

when this bitch locks up, it locks up

[13:26:03]

kashikoi:

you could use the oom kill to kill the fatest program

[13:26:21]

kashikoi:

switch to a tty and alt+printscreen+f

[13:26:24]

Beirdo:

meh, it still has swap space

[13:26:34]

kashikoi:

should make it act like ram is full and kill the fatest proc

[13:27:05]

Beirdo:

yeah, I probably should sometime ;)

[13:27:23]

Beirdo:

of course, if I switched from gnome to something less piggie, it would be a lot simpler

[13:27:37]

kashikoi:

lol

[13:27:44]

Beirdo:

haven't been arsed to do so yet

[13:27:55]

kashikoi:

i just installed the kde dev files

[13:27:59]

kashikoi:

so mythbrowser would build

[13:28:07]

kashikoi:

it draged 200mb of other files in with it

[13:28:36]

Beirdo:

heh

[13:28:40]

kashikoi:

so i have part of kde running on the same X server as gnome now

[13:28:48]

Beirdo:

that's fairly normal

[13:29:00]

Beirdo:

you already had "part" of it with Qt anyways

[13:29:05]

kashikoi:

also i noticed something odd in my mythtv

[13:29:13]

kashikoi:

i started a recording

[13:29:18]

kashikoi:

and got the last 2mins of a diff show

[13:29:28]

kashikoi:

system clock was off by about 2mins:P

[13:29:55]

Beirdo:

either that or your broadcaster was off (intentionally or otherwise)

[13:29:58]

Beirdo:

ntp is your friend

[13:30:09]

kashikoi:

i think ntp only runs on bootup

[13:30:20]

kashikoi:

i hit the sync now button

[13:30:28]

kashikoi:

its now within 1–2 seconds of the time on my cable box

[13:30:31]

justinh:

cron it

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Beirdo:

cron?!

[13:30:40]

Beirdo:

run ntpd

[13:30:41]

Beirdo:

jeez

[13:30:52]

kashikoi:

it shouldnt drift that much in only 2 days

[13:30:53]

Beirdo:

it's likely just using ntpdate right now

[13:30:55]

qu0zl:

ntpdate only runs on bootup, ntpd runs all the time

[13:30:56]

Beirdo:

sure it would

[13:31:10]

Beirdo:

many computers drift like 30s per day

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qu0zl:

kashikoi, it depends on how crap your pc's clock is. they tend to be crap

[13:31:19]

kashikoi:

lol

[13:31:23]

kashikoi:

that box was running xp

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Beirdo:

I've had one that drifted 2.5min/day

[13:31:29]

kashikoi:

and it would drift by 5mins in 3 hours

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qu0zl:

xp also has ntp kashikoi if you configure it

[13:31:32]

kashikoi:

then stop drifting

[13:31:43]

Beirdo:

ntpd fixes the problem :)

[13:31:45]

kashikoi:

every time i sync it it drifts by 5mins then stops

[13:32:04]

kashikoi:

why would it drift so much in only 2 hours then stop drifting all together?

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justinh:

wow. the sil3112 chipset really is a stinking pile of poo

[13:32:28]

Beirdo:

who knows :)

[13:32:31]

qu0zl:

who knows, who cares :) run ntpd and get it to sync as often as you like

[13:32:33]

Beirdo:

justinh, so true

[13:32:42]

kashikoi:

:)

[13:33:08]

kashikoi:

my ubuntu laptop has some kind of ntp server

[13:33:16]

kashikoi:

and i was able to get the cisco switch to sync off the laptop

[13:33:23]

Beirdo:

if you run ntpd, it will take it about 5–10min at first to sync (faster if you run ntpdate first), then it will stay within a few milliseconds of the time source from then on (once it determines your clock's drift and compensates for it)

[13:33:45]

kashikoi:

ahh nice:)

[13:33:58]

justinh:

forgot all about ntpd

[13:34:01]

kashikoi:

E: Couldn't find package nptd

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Beirdo:

I run ntpd on the OpenBSD firewall, then all my machines use it as an ntpd time source

[13:34:07]

Beirdo:

one sec

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kashikoi:

openntpd – OpenBSD NTP daemon

[13:34:11]

justinh:

funny cos I use that myself :-P

[13:34:12]

Beirdo:

I think it's ntp-server

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kashikoi:

ntp-server – Network Time Protocol: common server tools

[13:34:18]

Beirdo:

openntpd is CRAP

[13:34:23]

kashikoi:

lol

[13:34:38]

Beirdo:

they took out like 80% of the useful shit

[13:34:48]

kashikoi:

its also installing ntp

[13:34:58]

Beirdo:

it can't really act as a server, just as an end client, they removed the drift compensation, etc

[13:35:05]

kashikoi:

ahh

[13:35:17]

Beirdo:

but the openBSD wonks just had to make their own

[13:36:22]

Beirdo:

wow

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justinh:

jesus for such a shitty rep, that controller is everywhere :(

[13:36:43]

Beirdo:

my firewall (Sun Ultra5 running OpenBSD) has a drift of 117.051

[13:36:55]

kashikoi:

lol

[13:37:21]

Beirdo:

whereas this laptop has 5.499

[13:37:22]

Beirdo:

;)

[13:37:31]

kashikoi:

my laptop is falling appart

[13:37:43]

kashikoi:

power cord has a break in the line so it loses power randomly

[13:37:50]

Beirdo:

umm, and my firewall's not synced to the world?

[13:37:50]

kashikoi:

batery wont last 30mins

[13:37:53]

Beirdo:

gah

[13:37:58]

kashikoi:

lcd pannel is falling off

[13:38:10]

Beirdo:

time for a new toy then :)

[13:38:16]

kashikoi:

3 times now i turned my back on it and found it off

[13:38:59]

Beirdo:

well, the power cable you can fix

[13:39:05]

kashikoi:

yeah

[13:39:09]

Beirdo:

need wire cutters, soldering iron, electrical tape

[13:39:13]

kashikoi:

got all that

[13:39:14]

Beirdo:

the LCD's another issue

[13:39:23]

kashikoi:

the lcd is just the hinge mainly

[13:39:31]

kashikoi:

the hinge snaped off on 1 side

[13:39:38]

Beirdo:

yikes

[13:39:45]

kashikoi:

so the stump is sitting in the frame without screws

[13:40:02]

Beirdo:

my IBM A30p is fucked, something broke off the motherboard in transit from Canada to Puerto Rico when I moved

[13:40:13]

Beirdo:

so I'm one laptop down right now

[13:40:14]

kashikoi:

which is starting to break appart in that area

[13:40:15]

Beirdo:

:(

[13:40:42]

kashikoi:

ntp done installing

[13:40:45]

rsdvd:

kashikoi : whatlaptop is it? can you get a dead one of ebay and do some surgery

[13:40:47]

kashikoi:

but not running acording to ps

[13:40:54]

kashikoi:

dell c600

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justinh:

hm. marvel sata controller? never heard of em. prolly worse than SiL

[13:41:05]

kashikoi:

i found one on ebay for about 30$ with 30 shiping

[13:41:12]

Beirdo:

awww, a Dell. How quaint

[13:41:16]

Beirdo:

heh

[13:41:20]

kashikoi:

whole thing worked and it even came with a wifi g pcmcia card

[13:41:36]

kashikoi:

my c600 has a wifi b card atm

[13:41:44]

Beirdo:

sorry, I hate Dell laptops. They have had horrible service records in every company I've worked at

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rsdvd:

you should have got it then

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kashikoi:

its about 50$ now

[13:42:03]

kashikoi:

with another 30 for shiping

[13:42:25]

kashikoi:

ive also found just the hinge's before for 20

[13:42:25]

Beirdo:

their desktops are fairly solid, but their laptops... wow, most didn't even last 1 year before crapping out so badly we had to get replacements

[13:42:38]

Beirdo:

but YMMV :)

[13:42:43]

kashikoi:

the new dell seems in good condition

[13:42:48]

Beirdo:

good :)

[13:42:50]

kashikoi:

its the old dell(c600) thats falling appart

[13:43:12]

Beirdo:

now that I restarted ntpd on the firewall, gotta wait for all the machines to resync

[13:43:24]

kashikoi:

http://clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/laptop

[13:43:29]

kashikoi:

look at the parts of my laptop:)

[13:43:29]

Beirdo:

when my shit ISP changes my IP, I need to restart it (usually)

[13:44:05]

kashikoi:

also if you look at the 2 hinges on the bottom of http://clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/laptop/img_3088.jpg/_full_ youll see the right one is a stump

[13:44:36]

kashikoi:

also most of those pics with it in peices are with it RUNNING

[13:50:46]

kashikoi:

the touch pad mouse became oversensitve and was reacting to just waving my hand over it 2 inches away

[13:51:13]

kashikoi:

so i was planing to unplug the touchpad from the motherboard while it was on

[13:51:15]

daviey:

cool, thats the non-touch model

[13:51:15]

daviey:

'

[13:51:22]

kashikoi:

reboots have also fixed it

[13:51:40]

kashikoi:

when i take my hand off the mouse

[13:51:40]

daviey:

reboots or robots?

[13:51:48]

kashikoi:

it allways jumps across half the screen

[13:51:57]

kashikoi:

making it imposible to use

[13:52:00]

kashikoi:

reboot

[13:52:09]

kashikoi:

rebooting reinits the mouse fixing it

[13:52:26]

kashikoi:

i was trying to unplug the mouse from the motherboard while it was on

[13:52:41]

kashikoi:

all it did was stop working fully

[13:52:55]

kashikoi:

(Ubuntu-feisty) ?:O

[13:53:00]

daviey:

Beirdo, have you tried running dhclient3 to renew your ip address (rather than rebooting)?

[13:53:18]

Beirdo:

ummm, what?

[13:53:19]

kashikoi:

you could also ifdown eth0;ifup eth0

[13:53:41]

Beirdo:

I need to restart ntpd, not reboot :)

[13:54:00]

Beirdo:

and no, actually, it's "sh /etc/netstart hme0", the firewall ain't Linux :)

[13:54:03]

daviey:

Beirdo, "when my shit ISP changes my IP, I need to restart it (usually)"

[13:54:34]

kashikoi:

when im in the guide in mythtv how do i tell it to change to the channel i have selected?

[13:54:42]

daviey:

Beirdo, ahh i miss understood you; i thought you meant reboot the machine

[13:54:46]

kashikoi:

hitting enter just brings up recording info

[13:54:47]

Beirdo:

heh, no :)

[13:54:51]

GreyFoxx:

kashikoi: hit M again

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** kashikoi goes in and trys **

[13:55:05]

daviey:

kashikoi, there is an option in the settings

[13:55:11]

GreyFoxx:

Or you can turn on a setting so that enter will do it, but by default enter brings up the show info

[13:55:17]

daviey:

yes

[13:55:53]

kashikoi:

when in fullscreen guide hitting M takes me back to the menu

[13:55:58]

daviey:

Anybody got a spare laptop i have have?

[13:56:03]

daviey:

(old)

[13:56:10]

kashikoi:

would a 50mhz do?:P

[13:56:32]

daviey:

kashikoi, for a Â£10 i'll take it

[13:56:45]

kashikoi:

lol

[13:56:58]

kashikoi:

its a grey scale screen

[13:57:12]

daviey:

no good, Â£30 then

[13:57:36]

kashikoi:

the guide is also slow to respond

[13:57:47]

kashikoi:

i hit a key and it doesnt answer for 2–5 secons

[13:57:54]

daviey:

icons

[13:58:12]

daviey:

is your problem i suspect. It's looking for icons. If you add icons i reckon it will speed up

[13:58:13]

kashikoi:

?

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kashikoi:

where would i add them?

[13:58:40]

daviey:

i can think of a few places

[13:58:47]

daviey:

;)

[13:58:56]

kashikoi:

name a few...

[13:59:13]

daviey:

is it a combined fe/be?

[13:59:20]

kashikoi:

right now it is

[13:59:28]

kashikoi:

thinking of adding another remote fe later maybe

[13:59:50]

daviey:

personally i like to put the icons in an NFS exported place.

[14:00:03]

kashikoi:

i can allways add it to the export list later:)

[14:00:05]

daviey:

For the settings it needs to be in the same location on ALL machines

[14:00:14]

defa:

morning folks, how much can I sell my Air2PC rev2 card?

[14:00:20]

kashikoi:

yeah i can stick it in /media/mythtv maybe

[14:00:27]

kashikoi:

and nfs mount that to the same place on other boxes

[14:00:28]

daviey:

so you could put them in /usr/share/mythtv/icons or wherever you mount your NFS

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daviey:

kashikoi, thats a good idea

[14:00:53]

kashikoi:

i put all my remote mountings under media

[14:01:20]

daviey:

kashikoi, i'd recommend using phpmyadmin to put the locations for all icons in. Unless your hot on SQL

[14:01:28]

kashikoi:

i know mysql

[14:01:37]

kashikoi:

but i dont know what table to put them into

[14:01:42]

daviey:

channel

[14:01:49]

kashikoi:

ahhh icons for each channel?

[14:01:57]

daviey:

yes

[14:02:15]

daviey:

if your in the UK there is a nice script to autoinstall them

[14:02:21]

kashikoi:

canada

[14:02:41]

daviey:

hmm, actually isn't there a zap2it option for icons (or something)

[14:02:48]

daviey:

in the us/canada

[14:02:59]

kashikoi:

i have a zap2it act and thats where my guide data comes from

[14:03:13]

daviey:

i *think* you can pull icons aswell using that

[14:03:21]

kashikoi:

how would i tell it to

[14:04:21]

daviey:

hmm, just goggleing

[14:06:03]

kashikoi:

lol

[14:06:09]

defaultro:

hahahha

[14:06:30]

defaultro:

i'm going to try it too

[14:06:41]

defaultro:

i think it's time to put some deco in my myth

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kashikoi:

Importing icon mapping from iconmap.xml...

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kashikoi:

Error unable to open 'iconmap.xml' for reading.

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daviey:

thats trific

[14:08:35]

daviey:

did you perl mkiconmap.pl

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kashikoi:

found this thru locate /home/mythtv/mythtvbuild/mythtv/contrib/master_iconmap/master_iconmap.xml

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kashikoi:

not yet that looked like it was for directdata not zap2it

[14:09:11]

Russ[]:

Anyone output thier sound through regular speakers?

[14:09:28]

justinh:

regular speakers? as opposed to say, alien tech ones?

[14:09:42]

kashikoi:

nmap.pl line 6.

[14:09:59]

Russ[]:

Well, sorry i just woke up, I have speakers with no 3.5mm jack on them, just the bare wires

[14:10:00]

Merlin83b:

kashikoi: perl -mCPAN -e "install URI"

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justinh:

kashikoi: missin gperl modules

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Beirdo:

maybe you should install it ;)

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Beirdo:

or use apt-get

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daviey:

Russ[], put them into an amp

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v j-rod_

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daviey:

kashikoi, your 'na' right?

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Beirdo:

apt-get install liburi-perl (for ubuntu, likely for debian)

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Beirdo:

heya, j-rod_

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Russ[]:

isn't there a few audigys that have the bare wire connections?

[14:11:18]

kashikoi:

na?

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daviey:

website.na (north america???)

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j-rod_:

yo Beirdo

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kashikoi:

im in canada

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Beirdo:

how's the life on the east coast, got lots of snow?

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Russ[]:

or should I just see if my big component system has a 3.5mm audio in, that would be the way to go right

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kashikoi:

east coast:)

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Beirdo:

Fredricton? You poor unfortunate person :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

just kidding.

[14:12:34]

daviey:

kashikoi, maybe this will be of use http://membled.com/bin/tv_grab_na_icons

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kashikoi:

your off by about 4 hours driving

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kashikoi:

im on the northern tip of NB

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daviey:

kashikoi, i don't care that much ;)

[14:12:59]

Beirdo:

oh, cool, up by the Gaspe?

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Beirdo:

cool

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kashikoi:

i can see quebec out the windows

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Beirdo:

haven't been to that part of NB yet

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daviey:

kashikoi, that script uses zap2it

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kashikoi:

daviey: Can't locate HTML/TableExtract.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.7 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.7 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at tv_grab_na_icons line 74.

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Beirdo:

install that too :)

[14:13:58]

Merlin83b:

kashikoi: Now install that.

[14:14:01]

kashikoi:

lol

[14:14:18]

daviey:

hmm, presumably you have xmltv installed; i think it's a script for that

[14:14:24]

kashikoi:

the last apt-get is still running

[14:14:40]

daviey:

ctrl+c will speed up the stopping of it

[14:14:40]

Beirdo:

if ubuntu: apt-get install libhtml-tableextract-perl

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Beirdo:

pretty simple formula :)

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kashikoi:

its in the middle of installing liburi-perl for the last script:P

[14:15:06]

Beirdo:

aye

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daviey:

Beirdo, it's a catalyst ;)

[14:15:13]

kashikoi:

and my sendmail is complaining about my high load avg

[14:15:24]

daviey:

buy a new processor and ram

[14:15:29]

Beirdo:

heh.

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kashikoi:

1.6ghz cpu

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kashikoi:

512mb ram

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Beirdo:

faster disk

[14:15:39]

kashikoi:

its the harddrive i think

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Beirdo:

:)

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daviey:

ram i think

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kashikoi:

when i open an xterm or ssh

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kashikoi:

it takes 30 seconds before bash comes up

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kashikoi:

on my laptop its instant

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daviey:

are you swapping. When i used blootube-wide with 512mb ram it was pretty slow

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kashikoi:

63% used

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daviey:

my ass hurts

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justinh:

bloody whiners

[14:16:48]

Beirdo:

hmm, I need breakfast

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kashikoi:

35% cached

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kashikoi:

it can dump that cache when it needs the ram so it shouldnt be swaping

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Beirdo:

what PU is wait?

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Beirdo:

% CPU rather

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daviey:

talking of dumps, brb

[14:17:17]

** Beirdo slaps x-chat **

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kashikoi:

Cpu(s): 84.1% us, 11.3% sy, 0.1% ni, 0.0% id, 0.0% wa, 0.3% hi, 4.2% si

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kashikoi:

with the frontend in watchtv mode

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j-rod_:

Beirdo: we have jack shit for snow, there's been more back in Seattle

[14:17:39]

Beirdo:

heh. OK, it's not the drive then

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j-rod_:

though its been pretty damned cold

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Beirdo:

j-rod_, enjoy that :) Boston often gets dumped on at random times in the winter :)

[14:18:09]

Beirdo:

I'm so happy to be snow-free :)

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kashikoi:

Cpu(s): 11.8% us, 6.2% sy, 0.0% ni, 0.0% id, 80.6% wa, 0.2% hi, 1.2% si

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j-rod_:

yup, a few people are still swearing we're gonna get absolutely buried sometime soon

[14:18:28]

kashikoi:

just apt-get and the frontend is idle

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Beirdo:

kashikoi, now THAT is the drive (likely swap)

[14:18:40]

kashikoi:

6% of it is mysql for other stuff

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kashikoi:

i think its apt-get accessing the package lists

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Beirdo:

j-rod_, convince them to open an office in San Juan :)

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j-rod_:

we actually wanted some decent snow for our first new england winter

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j-rod_:

heh, I'm guessing cost of living down there is a bit better than the boston area...

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Beirdo:

I would think so :)

[14:20:06]

Sembiance:

So I'm running an SVN version of mythtv, 12500 from the trunk. The backend is crashing from time to time, segfaulting probably, and I'd like to first determine why (a core dump, or more logging or something) and then look to see if it's already been fixed in trac, and if not, submit a bug about it.

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kashikoi:

Cpu(s): 17.0% us, 10.1% sy, 38.9% ni, 0.0% id, 29.3% wa, 1.4% hi, 3.2% si

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kashikoi:

Mem: 515988k total, 512512k used, 3476k free, 2832k buffers

[14:20:10]

daviey:

Is it possible to mythtv-config from a frontend to a remote backend?

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kashikoi:

mythfilldatabase is going

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Beirdo:

here in Dorado (about 25 miles west of San Juan) a 4-bedroom/2-bath house is around $200k-250k

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Beirdo:

:)

[14:20:28]

Sembiance:

Anyone know any strategies to running mythbackend so it either A produces more logging before a segfault, or B produces a coredump?

[14:20:35]

Sembiance:

or stack trace or something

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daviey:

-vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

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Beirdo:

Sembiance, I think that's covered in the mythtv docs

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daviey:

(i think)

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kashikoi:

-v all

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j-rod_:

Beirdo: yeah, 3-br,1.5ba in Tyngsboro (~30mi north of Boston) runs around $320–350k

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Beirdo:

that's what I thought :)

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Sembiance:

daviey, Beirdo, kashikoi: Thank you both :)

[14:21:37]

Beirdo:

no snow to shovel here though :)

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Beirdo:

Sembiance, no problemo

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Sembiance:

err thank all three of you ;)

[14:21:44]

kashikoi:

Sembiance: ulimit -c 100000

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daviey:

Sembiance, try mythbackend -v help

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j-rod_:

a buddy has a place much closer to the city that was about the same cost for a 2br, 1ba, half the house "condo" of 800sq ft

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kashikoi:

after you run that every program started from that bash will be able to make a core dump

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daviey:

kashikoi, you have dumps on the mind

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** kashikoi quotes Sembiance ' or B produces a coredump?" **

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Beirdo:

heh, yeah, what fun. I was living in a condo (studio apt.) in Harbourfront, Toronto... it went on the market for $600k when I left

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Beirdo:

CDN, but still

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kashikoi:

lol

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daviey:

Beirdo, CA $ or US?

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Beirdo:

$600k CDN

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daviey:

Doh!

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kashikoi:

Beirdo did you leave any webcams in the condo when you left?:P

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daviey:

i just noticed the torronto

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Beirdo:

heh, no

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defaultro:

hi Beirdo, any ideas on how much I can sell my Air2pC?

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Beirdo:

I left NOTHING in there

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daviey:

kashikoi, you want to see the core dumps of the new owners?

[14:23:51]

kashikoi:

what about light bulbs?

[14:23:55]

plb:

Is it possible to get larger channel icons? Mine are really tiny

[14:24:00]

kashikoi:

daviey?

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daviey:

plb, what country are you in?

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Beirdo:

no clue, defaultro. I'd be happy to use it here, but I already have one, and no channels being received

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plb:

US

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defaultro:

ok

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daviey:

kashikoi, leave camera's in the bathroom and watch the new owners dumps?

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** Beirdo needs antenna improvements, and to flatten a couple small mountains **

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defaultro:

it works for me but in the new house I bought, the village wouldn't allow us to put external antenna on roof or sides

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justinh:

plb: check the website, impatient one

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kashikoi:

lol

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kashikoi:

could stick some in the bedrooms and sell porno movies:P

[14:25:36]

daviey:

In the uk you put the ariel in the loft to stop the tv licencing agency pinpointing you have a tv! ;)

[14:25:41]

kashikoi:

just hope the new owner is under 50

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Beirdo:

defaultro, are they legally allowed to tell you that (according to FCC rules?)

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plb:

justinh, what website?

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daviey:

google

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justinh:

plb: neon-wide

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** daviey is turning into juski **

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plb:

hrm

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plb:

your site seems down?

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justinh:

yup

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kashikoi:

something i thought of with a sat dish

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kashikoi:

put it in the atic

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kashikoi:

and cut a hole in the roof for it

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daviey:

haha

[14:27:08]

kashikoi:

and cover the hole with a fabric which doesnt block the signal

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daviey:

basement might be easyier, it would stop the rain getting in

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kashikoi:

maybe paint it to match the shingles

[14:27:25]

plb:

justinh, so why do I want to check a down site?

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justinh:

down, down & all gone

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kashikoi:

the cover you put over the hole will keep the rain/snow out

[14:27:40]

daviey:

basement might be easyier, it would stop the rain getting in

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Sembiance:

kashikoi: What is funny about my ' or B produces a coredump?' quote? :)

[14:27:49]

kashikoi:

then you wont get a signal

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daviey:

permently?

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justinh:

until further notice

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kashikoi:

Sembiance i think some1 didnt see you wanted a core dump

[14:28:12]

daviey:

juski, why oh why?

[14:28:21]

plb:

justinh doesn't like people lookin at his themes lol

[14:28:24]

Beirdo:

justinh, you goin' nuts on us? I think you need a few pints

[14:28:25]

justinh:

I love users so much, that's why

[14:28:43]

** Beirdo lobs justinh a pint o' lager **

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daviey:

juski, we need to mirror it then. How much is the domain juskihatesus.com?

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plb:

haha

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justinh:

I love the whole concept of open source I just can't stand the folks who can't accept that free means no strings

[14:29:17]

justinh:

you can't mirror what isn't there :-P

[14:29:30]

Sembiance:

kashikoi: ahh :)

[14:29:32]

daviey:

justki, it's in my cahce

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daviey:

cache

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justinh:

the pages might be

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plb:

justinh, how come you don't like people looking at your themes?

[14:30:30]

kashikoi:

daviey ive updated the icons

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kashikoi:

guide seems faster

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kashikoi:

but i dont see the icons:P

[14:30:42]

justinh:

hey thanks for all your work, do you want to do some more work?

[14:30:54]

justinh:

nice BUT, there's more

[14:31:11]

daviey:

juski, have you put a timelock on your themes??

[14:31:16]

daviey:

;p

[14:31:32]

Beirdo:

just answer "sure, I'll get to doing more work when I get to it. Don't call me, I'll call you. Or pay me."

[14:31:58]

justinh:

nah fuck em. the spoiled bastards

[14:32:13]

daviey:

or remove your email address? or better yet; put sales@tivo.com

[14:32:22]

plb:

so is it possible to get larger channel icons?

[14:32:31]

daviey:

plb, if you can find them

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justinh:

there's not much screen space to have bigger icons

[14:32:58]

plb:

bah maybe justinh will do it for me =P

[14:33:13]

plb:

but mine are really really tiny

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Beirdo:

not bloody likely :)

[14:33:33]

daviey:

after 3, all send an email to juski asking where his site has gone. 1 .. 2 .... 3

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jblack:

Hello. Is there an easy way to audit files that may be in the mythtv directory that aren't in the database?

[14:42:24]

plb:

unreadable heh

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plb:

lol

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plb:

justinh, will you work for beer?

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defaultro:

Beirdo, from what I've heard, i think my village is wrong. I also don't want to spend another $124 for the antenna, $70 for the rotator, $30 for the rg6coax. I can just buy a $89 Fusion card and hook my Comcast to receive channels like what I'm doing now

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Beirdo:

there is that :)

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defaultro:

I'll try to sell it for $70 :P

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defaultro:

in ebay

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|Torg|:

does anyone here have experiance with putting in more then one video card to a system?

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GreyFoxx:

I do that right now on my work desktop

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|Torg|:

if I get another card I wanted to know about compatability? same chipset? same vendor? does it matter?

[14:57:53]

GreyFoxx:

shouldn't matter

[14:58:07]

GreyFoxx:

I've got an onbaord intel chip, mixed with a pci ATI card

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|Torg|:

I have a 6600 now and want to add a third monitor, so I need another 6600 or can I get by with a differnt gforce chip

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kashikoi:

defaultro that looks like mysql:)

[15:01:26]

defaultro:

it is

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defaultro:

it's not mysql, it is an update query

[15:01:48]

kashikoi:

mysql update query

[15:02:31]

defaultro:

i also had to mv all the channel images into that dir and chown it

[15:02:56]

kashikoi:

from the looks of it you ran the dl cmd as root

[15:03:03]

defaultro:

yes

[15:03:13]

defaultro:

even if I ran it as mythtv, I still have to do those

[15:03:37]

|Torg|:

defaultro that implityly is mysql sql, its not standard

[15:03:38]

defaultro:

i also had to mkdir /usr/local/share/mythtv/icons

[15:04:41]

|Torg|:

the use of the replace macro is mysql

[15:04:48]

|Torg|:

so what you have is mysql, not sql

[15:05:01]

defaultro:

Torg, I also use it in Microsoft SQL

[15:05:16]

defaultro:

i don't know what you are talking about

[15:05:31]

defaultro:

are you talking about the replace function

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|Torg|:

the differnce between SQL proper and a vendors implimentaion

[15:05:45]

|Torg|:

<defaultro> it's not mysql, it is an update query

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defaultro:

lol

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defaultro:

I meant, MySQL product

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|Torg|:

oh :)

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gbee:

mysql != "mysql sql"

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defaultro:

:)

[15:07:11]

defaultro:

I wanted to make sure that what I said was not the product, just the query itself so I corrected myself earlier

[15:07:36]

defaultro:

but kashiko, follow that link, and it worked for me

[15:08:10]

defaultro:

i also had to do "select callsign from channel" and match it against the callsign whatever txt included in the svn download in data/ directory

[15:08:40]

defaultro:

and also, i opened the network .txt file something and did a search on just chicago

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kashikoi:

defaultro i checked the txt files for TDCC and it looks like it was corect:)

[15:09:15]

defaultro:

your problem might be the path

[15:09:26]

kashikoi:

reset icon map still running

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defaultro:

do a select icon from channel;

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defaultro:

from there, you will be able to tell what the path is

[15:09:51]

defaultro:

pastebin it for us

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|Torg|:

go to tv.com and get the icons, put there wherever you like on your system (mine are in /myth/icons), edit the channel table to point to those icons. Thats it

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defaultro:

that will work also

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kashikoi:

|Torg| do you want to download 200 icons by hand?

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defaultro:

:P

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|Torg|:

I have, if thats what you are asking

[15:10:39]

defaultro:

that's the point of that link

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|Torg|:

I dont do it anymore, because its alredy done

[15:10:55]

defaultro:

but Torg, he will have to map it manually

[15:11:03]

defaultro:

if you send the icons to him

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defaultro:

the link I gave to him worked excellent

[15:11:31]

defaultro:

kashiko, make sure callsign field matches the callsign txt file

[15:11:46]

defaultro:

that's why i told you to do a select callsign from channel

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kashikoi:

it did match for the 1 channel i checked

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kashikoi:

oo in the db?

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defaultro:

match all the callsign

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|Torg|:

the scripts that I had at the time to download them from datadirect were broken, I figured out where it was getting icons, raped the picutres down and did a mass update of the table, then I went and edited each one to the aproprate icon

[15:12:04]

defaultro:

yes on the db so you can have a reference

[15:12:04]

kashikoi:

it shows as TDCC in the guide

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kashikoi:

and TDCC in the txt files

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defaultro:

left column is what should match in your channel table

[15:13:10]

kashikoi:

its taking a while to reset the icon maps

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defaultro:

left column in callsigntonetwork.txt and callsign field in channel table

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defaultro:

it only took 30 secs here

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defaultro:

maybe, you have more channels than me

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defaultro:

i only have 40

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|Torg|:

it shoudl update them on your guide as soon as the guide loads

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defaultro:

wow, :)

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defaultro:

you got tons of channels

[15:14:10]

defaultro:

who is your provider?

[15:14:19]

defaultro:

are all 234 working though? :P

[15:14:19]

kashikoi:

rogers digital cable

[15:14:45]

kashikoi:

a large chunk are disabled till i pay for them

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defaultro:

it's crap here in chicago, other channels are encrypted

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kashikoi:

the box 'mutes' when im on a channel i havent payed for

[15:15:01]

kashikoi:

but the mute is crap:P

[15:15:02]

defaultro:

some folks in seattle are lucky, they get unencrypted which is supposed to be .....

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defaultro:

got to go bud, need to take a bath now

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defaultro:

good luck

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defaultro:

it should work

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kashikoi[out]:

lol

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kashikoi[out]:

[06 09:15:29] <defaultro> good luck

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kashikoi[out]:

[06 09:15:31] <defaultro> it should work

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kashikoi[out]:

[06 09:15:54] * Disconnected

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defaultro:

just finished taking a bath, how is it?

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defaultro:

kashikoi? I'm taking off very soon

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plb:

bah time warner cable is crap

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plb:

someone should make a mythtv irc plugin =)

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kashikoi[out]:

plb i can allready get irc on my tvout

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kashikoi[out]:

i have a terminal on the same X display

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kashikoi[out]:

alt+tab on the mythtv keyboard and im switched over

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kashikoi[out]:

then i can grab a text based client and chat away

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plb:

heh

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kashikoi[out]:

normaly i have irssi running on my laptop 24/7 in screen

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kashikoi[out]:

so i can ssh and attach in

[15:36:09]

kashikoi[out]:

but the laptops powercord is unstable now

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kashikoi[out]:

also its a gnome-terminal so i can change the font size as i want

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kashikoi[out]:

ctrl+shift+<+>

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kashikoi[out]:

ctrl+<->

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plb:

cool

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kashikoi[out]:

which helps with the low res tv

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kashikoi[out]:

i can bloat it to 3 lines on the entire screen when its hard to read

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kashikoi[out]:

or lower it when i need more room and can guess the chars better

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justinh:

plb: someone should stop demanding developers do stuff :-P

[15:42:56]

justinh:

anyway good luck doing IRC with a remote control

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justinh:

it's infuriating enough with a proper keyboard

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justinh:

maybe running out of pci bus bandwidth. try recording at 32khz for audio in your recording profiles

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grndslm:

aight...

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grndslm:

where is that?

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justinh:

recording profiles?

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jrr:

setting up a myth box just became a higher priority for me – my cable box doesn't support hdcp repeating!

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grndslm:

k..

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justinh:

mythfrontend > setup > tv > recording profiles

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grndslm:

just makin' sure it wasn't the backend or somethin'

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justinh:

careful what you change in there or you'll break stuff

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grndslm:

it's doin' this on both of my frontends which are very fast

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grndslm:

i figured the problem would have been with the recording

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justinh:

another reason not to use software encoders

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grndslm:

i'm using hardware encoders

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grndslm:

pvr500

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grndslm:

or is that just for vid?

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justinh:

oh

[15:50:31]

justinh:

never heard of them getting weird audio problems

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justinh:

oh wait

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grndslm:

yea...does ivtv handle sound?

[15:50:45]

justinh:

yeap

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justinh:

hang on

[15:50:56]

grndslm:

maybe i could just use a diff driver?

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grndslm:

k

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justinh:

it's a driver problem they fixed already I think

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justinh:

I get it, but can't be bothered upgrading, but I work around it by putting ivtvctl -c audio=0xE9 in my channel change script

[15:52:33]

grndslm:

ehh...whu?

[15:52:52]

justinh:

sounds sort of like distortion, but more like 8-bit sampling doesn't it?

[15:53:40]

justinh:

a bit like the aliens' voices in the Tv series 'V'

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grndslm:

yea....seems like 60~70% of the time now, and sometimes it sound fairly clean then get rough again

[15:53:44]

grndslm:

yea

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justinh:

aye that one's been fixed & you can work around it with the command I posted

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grndslm:

hmm...i'll try

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justinh:

you need to do that after every time mythtv changes channels

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justinh:

try it in live tv

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grndslm:

hold please

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justinh:

when you issue the command, the sound will soon return to normal – allow time for the bufferring ;)

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onixian:

hi all

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|Torg|:

hi

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onixian:

i'm going to configure a new voice in the optical disk menu to play audio cd

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|Torg|:

a new voice?

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onixian:

cause is not to simple to play it from the music plugin interface

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onixian:

mm a new element

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|Torg|:

new menu option?

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onixian:

y

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|Torg|:

they are in the xml menu defenitions for the theme you use

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onixian:

i've doubled one existing

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justinh:

see the wiki wiki

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onixian:

y in the xml file

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onixian:

bun i don't know the name of the action to assign

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justinh:

the section about developing menu themes

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|Torg|:

wiki wiki, is that the wiki on wiki :P

[15:59:35]

onixian:

and in the wiki isn't listed the play cd

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|Torg|:

it is an example not a readme or howto

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justinh:

hmmm english speak you not do well very

[16:00:12]

onixian:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Menu_the . . . opment_guide

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onixian:

it's the wiki

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onixian:

i'm caming from there

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|Torg|:

of course

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onixian:

and sure sorry for my english stuff

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justinh:

heh np ;)

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|Torg|:

its quite ok, its my native language and I don't do it very well either :P

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onixian:

hehe

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justinh:

there is already a 'play cd' option in the menus

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onixian:

:)

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grndslm:

justinhh: myth made my machine froze :-/

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justinh:

grndslm: works here

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onixian:

i'm using an old 19

[16:01:33]

grndslm:

frontend just crashed ubuntu or somethin'

[16:01:39]

justinh:

ymmv, your home may be repossesed if you fail to keep up repayments, etc

[16:01:41]

grndslm:

one of the two

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grndslm:

i pay

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onixian:

in my menus there isn't this option

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grndslm:

anyway.....the sound still goes away and comes back....but i don't have ivtvctl command available...

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|Torg|:

onixian: take the menu option for playing CDs, extract the "Play CD" opeiotn, then paste that into another menu

[16:02:49]

plb:

justinh, I demand nothing, I was just throwing it out there ;]

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plb:

just like yesterday...I said you should hurry up...I was of course jokin around you sensitive clod =)

[16:02:57]

plb:

thanks yoda ;]

[16:03:01]

plb:

grammar police...arrest this man

[16:03:08]

plb:

edgy crashes alot for me

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plb:

does everyone in this channel use ubuntu? heh

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onixian:

i haven't it!

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grndslm:

edgy's a bitch

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justinh:

plb: even so...

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|Torg|:

there are quite a fw that use ubu, I am not one of them

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onixian:

the only one i have is under the music interface pressing the menu button

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onixian:

and then "from cd"

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|Torg|:

craching however is a VERY generic term. Unless you can say how it crashed it is doubtfull anyone cna help you

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heanol:

is a 500MHz pentium III, 128mb ram with a geforce 6200 enough for acting frontend for regular tv, dvds and xvid?

[16:04:42]

|Torg|:

yes onixian you should see an xml defention for the <button> it ends with </button> of course. Copy that into the new menu

[16:04:51]

plb:

I hope feisty is a little more stable

[16:05:18]

|Torg|:

how about you dump ubu, get plain old debian and quit using unstable repositories?

[16:05:38]

onixian:

i'll take another look

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onixian:

tnx for now

[16:05:44]

grndslm:

justinhh: does this help...when recorded video is being played back, the crackling sound only happens when the frontend is visible...if xchat is open while the video's still playing in the back, the sound's normal again!!

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|Torg|:

onixian I hope it helps, good luck

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|Torg|:

good idea :)

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justinh:

grndslm: could be a HDD dma / network issue

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|Torg|:

and why wait for etch, just keep your repos to stable

[16:06:58]

onixian:

hum ah if it is a remote button?

[16:07:01]

grndslm:

i'm a newb and have just been learning more than i was ever able to before, but i don't like where they're headed now

[16:07:17]

|Torg|:

grndslm who is they?

[16:07:23]

justinh:

grndslm: one-click install for everything? heheheh

[16:07:29]

grndslm:

ubuntu devs

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justinh:

add/remove programs

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justinh:

pfft

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grndslm:

i use aptitude...but i think my quips against ubuntu are mostly quips against linux in general...always changing so damn fast i tell ya

[16:08:21]

grndslm:

but this is a good thing in the long run

[16:08:25]

justinh:

I have to admit I'm no big fan of linux

[16:08:28]

justinh:

or linux users

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plb:

but I think ubuntu makes the better desktop

[16:08:28]

plb:

I always ran unstable just to have somewhat updated packages but every once in a while an update would kill my machine

[16:08:29]

|Torg|:

yes well unitill my comptuer can make me a coffee in the morning, fether the morning news, and trae my stock on the Nikkei when I sleep and make me money wel hav to stick to comptues we actualy need to type and use a mouse on

[16:08:31]

justinh:

or users

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plb:

Debian is a fine server distro but for a desktop well I'm not so sure

[16:08:32]

grndslm:

so i just kick and scream every once in awhile

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|Torg|:

mythtv is a server applicaiton, not a desktop

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|Torg|:

why run it on a desktop?

[16:09:35]

grndslm:

because the frontend and backend should use the same distro, no?

[16:09:44]

|Torg|:

not necessarily

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|Torg|:

the distro you use has nothing to do with mythtv other then providing it a platform to run on

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|Torg|:

it is posible to run your backend on linux and the forntend on a mac

[16:11:26]

kashikoi[out]:

what command would i use on linux to make the keyboard led's change?

[16:11:27]

plb:

lol

[16:11:27]

plb:

I don't think you are a fan of anything

[16:11:27]

plb:

because I have only one computer lol

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plb:

Another thing about Debian is it takes forever to get the most recent Gnome

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plb:

KDE is superb on debian though

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|Torg|:

I dont use KDE, nor do I use Gnome

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kashikoi[out]:

i use gnome mainly

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|Torg|:

my main comlaint about windoze is that is it bloated

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|Torg|:

the same can be said for gnome and kde

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justinh:

is that all?

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justinh:

minimyth is a shining example of a frontend distro

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|Torg|:

the only complaint, hell no :P

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justinh:

64MB, packed

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kashikoi[out]:

lol

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justinh:

no bloat

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kashikoi[out]:

i was looking at making a netboot frontend

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kashikoi[out]:

i forgot about it while waiting for minimyth to dl

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|Torg|:

silly me I want by boxen to run the applicaion I load on it, not the OS or the GUI

[16:13:35]

|Torg|:

less gnome, more CPU, more CPU faste comflagg....get the idea?

[16:13:39]

justinh:

yeah that said, XBMC is pretty swift from that point of view

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|Torg|:

if I could stop running X I would

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kashikoi[out]:

what do you need x for?

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|Torg|:

exactly justinh

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plb:

I have used blackbox/fluxbox since 1999 but have just moved over to gnome in the past year

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justinh:

loads in erm.. 5 secs or less

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|Torg|:

oh that display of video comes to mine, kashikoi[out] :P

[16:14:18]

plb:

I thought it was kind of bloated at first but now I'm used to it

[16:14:26]

kashikoi[out]:

does mythtv NEED x or can it use the fbdev directly?

[16:14:37]

justinh:

you need X for Xv

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|Torg|:

afaik it needs X

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|Torg|:

mainly becase it used xv

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justinh:

and you need Xv to keep CPU loading down

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kashikoi:

ahh

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GreyFoxx:

kashikoi: there is some sort of directfb support, but I have no idea how to turn it on or if it still works

[16:15:12]

justinh:

otherwise your cpu is doing all the scaling & colour-space conversion

[16:15:16]

daum:

is there a way through mythtv to burn a dvd of a recorded program?

[16:15:23]

justinh:

daum: mytharchive

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kashikoi:

you can probly modify the xinit script so gnome wont run but will still be installed

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justinh:

daum: RTM

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daum:

justinh, RTM?

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|Torg|:

yes kashikoi you can, I actlay use gdm to load X but dont run gnome

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|Torg|:

so its a bit hypocritacal, but I use it becase it was layed down when I installed the distro

[16:16:13]

justinh:

daum: read the fucking manual, without the fucking bit

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GreyFoxx:

Why use gdm even ?

[16:16:22]

daum:

justinh, ha kk

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fryfrog:

autologin

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kashikoi:

|Torg| i shut gdm off so i bootup in text mode

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kashikoi:

and then i use startx

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|Torg|:

legacy mostly

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|Torg|:

its high fruit? I dunno its broke less and I have less of an incentive to "fix" it

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kashikoi:

my .xinitrc is this /home/clever/bin/startvnc&

[16:17:10]

kashikoi:

. /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc

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|Torg|:

I spend most of my time tyring to get svn code to work?

[16:17:22]

kashikoi:

loads a script i made and loads the default xinitrc

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|Torg|:

btw if anyone knows how to fix the dvb tuing waiting on pmt :)

[16:17:31]

GreyFoxx:

gdm is fine if you have multiple users logging in, but it makes no sense to use it to login to a machine "automatically" as a single user each time

[16:17:44]

GreyFoxx:

It's just another app/delay

[16:17:51]

|Torg|:

yes GreyFoxx I know, I also know its not broke right now

[16:17:52]

kashikoi:

GreyFoxx: yeah

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kashikoi:

when i tryed starting gdm last it went nuts

[16:18:13]

kashikoi:

opened 2 X servers

[16:18:25]

kashikoi:

so i dont even touch gdm now

[16:18:35]

grndslm:

ehh...so, mythfrontend just made my computer crash 3 times

[16:18:43]

grndslm:

not good

[16:19:41]

kashikoi:

:0.1 is tv

[16:19:54]

kashikoi:

and i still use :0.0 for other things

[16:20:01]

kashikoi:

so i cant disable gnome

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|Torg|:

I run 0.0 to a DLP TV there is no other monitor

[16:20:24]

|Torg|:

the BE has no monitor connected to anything, it has a video card so the BIOS will boot

[16:20:29]

plb:

justinh, when are you going to unground us from your site?

[16:20:33]

plb:

justinh aka the person all newbies fear

[16:20:37]

kashikoi:

my vid card is a dual output:)

[16:20:43]

plb:

grndslm, crash X?

[16:21:00]

GreyFoxx:

plb: huh? His site loads from here

[16:21:25]

seth|laptop:

does anyone know the website that lists the xmltvid numbers for the databse

[16:21:37]

grndslm:

perhaps

[16:21:39]

|Torg|:

zap2it

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|Torg|:

seth is that what you meant?

[16:22:02]

grndslm:

labs.zap2it.org

[16:22:04]

grndslm:

or .com

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justinh:

newbies needn't fear anybody so long as they're not terminally lazy bastards

[16:22:06]

grndslm:

one of the 2

[16:22:10]

plb:

GreyFoxx, justinh's?

[16:22:17]

GreyFoxx:

plb: Yes

[16:22:22]

|Torg|:

justinh I resemle that remark

[16:22:26]

GreyFoxx:

I'm looking at it and the themes now

[16:22:28]

plb:

ah now it does

[16:22:34]

seth|laptop:

thanks

[16:22:38]

plb:

lol

[16:22:43]

plb:

he took the neon-wide link down

[16:22:47]

plb:

wth justinh?

[16:22:50]

grndslm:

noooo...

[16:22:54]

grndslm:

neon-wide!!!

[16:22:55]

plb:

I like those screenshots lol

[16:22:56]

grndslm:

come back!

[16:23:02]

grndslm:

me too

[16:23:19]

GreyFoxx:

That's the work in progress theme isn't it ?

[16:23:21]

justinh:

hard lines folks

[16:23:23]

grndslm:

i swear i'd pay $30 for that theme

[16:23:29]

justinh:

no more sneak previews

[16:23:37]

grndslm:

it looks way better than anything i've seen for myth yet

[16:23:38]

GreyFoxx:

justinh: Makes sense

[16:23:51]

GreyFoxx:

I've only seen a couple of the icons

[16:24:08]

justinh:

no obligation for me to finish it this way

[16:24:09]

grndslm:

me too...i already skeeted on my computer screen

[16:24:21]

grndslm:

come on

[16:24:28]

justinh:

well, no pressure anyway

[16:24:31]

GreyFoxx:

justinh: hehe yeah

[16:24:33]

grndslm:

no hurry, just kiddin again

[16:24:45]

GreyFoxx:

and no "Can you do it my way?" before it comes out :)

[16:25:01]

|Torg|:

can you make it green :)

[16:25:10]

plb:

lol

[16:25:17]

grndslm:

and orange

[16:25:20]

grndslm:

jk again

[16:25:20]

justinh:

|Torg|: can you?

[16:25:25]

grndslm:

hah

[16:25:32]

|Torg|:

its what I tell juski all the time

[16:25:55]

plb:

green?

[16:25:55]

plb:

I prefer blue myself ;]

[16:26:06]

|Torg|:

so do I, its a running joke

[16:26:31]

** GreyFoxx should dig out the OpenGL book on his shelf **

[16:26:40]

grndslm:

i'm gonna have to ask him to make it mardi gras colors

[16:26:58]

jrr:

GreyFoxx: what color? =]

[16:27:00]

|Torg|:

its just a backgorund picture, use gimp

[16:27:07]

plb:

and a nice matching pink OSD

[16:27:16]

justinh:

project GAYhem?

[16:27:20]

plb:

lol

[16:27:22]

grndslm:

hah

[16:27:35]

grndslm:

yea, no thanks

[16:27:44]

justinh:

sorry, that was wrong

[16:27:53]

justinh:

I meant ProjectGeyhem

[16:27:56]

grndslm:

hah...yea, it got quite a few chuckles

[16:28:03]

grndslm:

hhahahhahahahashdkasdhfkshadfjh

[16:28:18]

justinh:

ghey as in 'lame' not homosexual

[16:28:36]

|Torg|:

why would homosexual be lame?

[16:29:01]

plb:

blootubesteak

[16:29:19]

daum:

I'm using mytharchive, and i'm trying to make a dvd of a show I recorded..yet when i go through the steps, and get to log viewer nothing happens...

[16:29:20]

grndslm:

that's what i'm usin' now

[16:30:43]

plb:

I'm using blootube

[16:32:03]

justinh:

gonna be building mythmusic again tonight, with that shoutcast patch

[16:32:32]

justinh:

might have to do that on my spare box though

[16:32:57]

justinh:

does eskil's patch only work for svn or are there different ones?

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|Torg|:

I dont know what eskill's patch is but if its a patch Ill assume its for one specific version of a file or files

[16:34:35]

gbee:

what he meant is, is there more than one patch

[16:34:48]

gbee:

to which the answer is

[16:34:58]

gbee:

I don't know ;)

[16:35:43]

justinh:

I'll just grab a head checkout & give my old athlon a workout

[16:36:28]

gbee:

justinh: be aware that mythmusic in head is ungoing some changes, although it should still be pretty stable for now

[16:36:38]

slaine_:

Guys, is there a distro of MythTV (Frontend and Backend) that boots from Compact Flash and uses the whole of the internal drives for storage ?

[16:36:50]

slaine_:

That would be sweet

[16:36:55]

justinh:

I only want to test (beeeeeeep) with it

[16:37:26]

slaine_:

Kind of like mini-myth I guess, but without the lan, and with the mythbacked, and a slice of lime

[16:40:43]

justinh:

copy knoppmyth or mythdora to CF

[16:40:45]

justinh:

duh

[16:41:16]

slaine_:

lol

[16:41:34]

slaine_:

Whats the os footprint of mythdora I wonder

[16:42:02]

slaine_:

Anyway, l8rs

[16:43:08]

justinh:

with the price of flash media these days is size really such a concern?

[16:44:18]

justinh:

says I, who is after a small distro for the s100 – but that's purely from a standpoint of having to upload it for others to download

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justinh:

anywa

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jared555:

are you able to put dvds into the mythtv frontend or just the backend? (I would think the frontend but just making sure)

[17:08:12]

kslater:

define 'put dvds into'

[17:08:22]

kslater:

you mean playback?

[17:08:31]

jared555:

like into a dvd-rom to watch

[17:08:37]

jared555:

or to rip

[17:08:48]

kslater:

that's frontend software

[17:09:30]

kslater:

at least in mythworld

[17:09:48]

kslater:

you could do the ripping on a backend I'm sure, but outside of myth proper

[17:10:32]

jared555:

k, and with mythvideo (I think that is the right name...) are you able to define what computers can see what videos? (ex: in a house with kids, etc. letting them have a frontend in their room but not show movies rated R (maybe in a separate folder on the backend or something)

[17:12:04]

|Torg|:

I belive perntal controls are on the wishlist, and not implimented

[17:12:27]

|Torg|:

allot of that has to do with the undocumented, capricious nature of ratings

[17:12:30]

GreyFoxx:

jared555: Just point them at a different root directory

[17:12:41]

GreyFoxx:

So kids frontend points to /data/video/kidsstuff

[17:12:45]

GreyFoxx:

and parents at /data/video

[17:12:58]

GreyFoxx:

so you see their stuff and /data/video/porn, but they only see kidstuff and down

[17:13:10]

|Torg|:

or teach your kids what is inapropriate for them to watch

[17:13:36]

kslater:

couldn't you also use groups and make the default open, but store the other stuff in Parents?

[17:13:40]

GreyFoxx:

There might well be some parentl controlls in there as well, just not something IO've ever looked at

[17:13:54]

kslater:

that's what we do for shows that aren't age appropriate

[17:14:00]

GreyFoxx:

kslater: That's MythTV/recordings, not Mythvideo

[17:14:07]

kslater:

good call

[17:14:15]

kslater:

missed that detail

[17:15:03]

GreyFoxx:

kslater: one other option is to only remotely mount the /kidstuff or whatever directory to their frontend as well

[17:15:34]

jared555:

|Torg|, in this case I will have a frontend in my room, and I might put one in the living room (I live at home), but I don't want my parent's one to have all the tv shows, music (different thing I know), etc. that I have downloaded in addition to ripped, just the movies that I have ripped and then the music that is theirs

[17:16:30]

|Torg|:

store the videos on the local frontends

[17:16:51]

|Torg|:

still though I would advocate teaching your children and monitoring what they watch over some technology

[17:17:01]

jared555:

will probably have folders like movies/mine movies/parents movies/rented movies/downloaded then music/mine music/mine music/parents music/fromfriends music/downloaded, etc.

[17:17:14]

jared555:

|Torg|, lol, it is my parents that I don't want to have to see all of the crap

[17:17:28]

ASiDiE:

afternoon all.... anyone use myty tv with dish network... dvb card? does it pull down the epg guide from the sat?

[17:17:37]

GreyFoxx:

ASiDiE: Yes it will

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hardnova:

morning people

[17:18:00]

|Torg|:

why, do you partents disaprove of your viewing habbits?

[17:18:10]

GreyFoxx:

There use to be a special flag you had to set in mythtv-setup for dishnet EIT, but I haven't looked in a while so it might not be there anymore

[17:18:30]

|Torg|:

its under the dvb card settings, something like :use logterm eit"

[17:18:35]

ASiDiE:

does anyone know how hard it would be to port that code over... to lets say mediaportal... written in C3?

[17:18:37]

ASiDiE:

c#?

[17:18:51]

GreyFoxx:

Port what code specifically ?

[17:18:55]

GreyFoxx:

The EIT stuff?

[17:19:00]

ASiDiE:

the EIT stuff. yea

[17:19:06]

|Torg|:

if you understood that the code did, and it used the same funtionality of myth, and you could program in C++......

[17:19:10]

jared555:

|Torg|, it isn't that they disapprove (they know 99.9% of it) but they don't like some of what I watch/listen to and I figure I would just keep the interface they are using as clean as possible (they are computer/technology illiterate)

[17:19:13]

GreyFoxx:

Well, the EIT code is quite involved, including a inmemory cache anbd such

[17:19:20]

GreyFoxx:

so it would not be trivial

[17:19:33]

|Torg|:

ok jared555 do what I do then, there is /myth/video and /myth/porn

[17:19:34]

GreyFoxx:

If all you want is the diffie huffman dishnet eith decoding, that would be simple

[17:19:58]

|Torg|:

my kids and wife knw whats in /myth/pron and they dont watch it (well ok my wife does with me alone)

[17:20:02]

hardnova:

im looking at the mythtv site and it has " Basic video editing abilities" ?? how do i do that ?

[17:20:06]

ASiDiE:

well maybe that's all I need.... I have found a couple of patches.. on the huffman code..

[17:20:06]

|Torg|:

just segrgate it from the rest

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GreyFoxx:

ASiDiE: The decoding isn't that complicatedas long as something else is gathering the data

[17:20:32]

jared555:

can you point the frontend to multiple directories or just one?

[17:20:42]

GreyFoxx:

jared555: You can point at multiple

[17:20:54]

ASiDiE:

[10:05] <ASiDiE> http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1056

[17:20:55]

|Torg|:

you can put multipel directories under the first one, they show up as folders you can drill down into

[17:20:55]

ASiDiE:

[10:05] <ASiDiE> http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1094

[17:21:01]

ASiDiE:

there are the 2 patches I was looking at

[17:21:45]

|Torg|:

ASiDiE that was added over a year ago, what version of myth are you using?

[17:21:49]

GreyFoxx:

that first patch was mine :)

[17:21:53]

jared555:

btw. one reason I have some of the insane setups I do is I am going to be trying to talk some people I know into letting me set up mythtv for them and I want to have experience with different configurations, etc.

[17:22:01]

ASiDiE:

haha.. really.. well then you know what you are talking about.

[17:22:14]

gbee:

of course I won't dare to suggest that it would be easier to use mythtv instead of porting code over to media portal ;)

[17:22:17]

|Torg|:

GreyFoxx, fix http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3031 for me :P

[17:22:29]

GreyFoxx:

gbee: hehe that too :)

[17:23:14]

|Torg|:

ASiDiE there is a checkbox in mythtv-setup to do that, I do not know how it works I do not have dishnet connected to my myth box

[17:23:35]

|Torg|:

I do know it dosnt do a damn thing for ATSC, but I doubt that is helpfull

[17:23:41]

jmblack:

is it possible to use mfd on multiple PCs and have it point to the same directory? It seems to be quite angry about the log file and i didnt see a paramater I could pass to change the log file location. I get the feeling Im trying to do something silly

[17:24:06]

GreyFoxx:

jmblack: Why would you running mythfilldatabase on multiple machines ?

[17:24:12]

GreyFoxx:

s/running/run

[17:24:28]

gbee:

think he might mean mythfrontend daemon?

[17:24:33]

jmblack:

oops, no, not mythfilldatabase. I meant uhm.. the myth transcode daemon

[17:24:40]

GreyFoxx:

mtd

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GreyFoxx:

:)

[17:24:45]

gbee:

err, transcode daemon

[17:25:10]

jmblack:

alot of difference one letter can make =)

[17:25:30]

|Torg|:

why? do you want to rop dvds faster?

[17:25:42]

jared555:

there any way to watch the same thing on two frontends with 1 backend?

[17:25:48]

jmblack:

anyway, I want to be able to rip DVDs and transcode DVDs to the same directory on 2 diff computers, maybe Im doing this the wrong way?

[17:26:20]

GreyFoxx:

jared555: Myth will happily do that now

[17:26:28]

|Torg|:

jared555 yes, that the the intent of the distribute archtecture. To play with multiple FEs from a BE is one of the main strengths of mythtv

[17:27:12]

|Torg|:

jmblack share th directory with NFS

[17:27:12]

jared555:

going to set up a backend in the front room so I can watch TV/Satellite without static lol

[17:27:47]

|Torg|:

but if your are looking to rip dvds faster the limitation is the speed of the drive and libcs...

[17:27:57]

jared555:

if I set this stuff up my parents are going to HATE it when I leave for college and take the server with me

[17:28:00]

GreyFoxx:

hrm, time for the weekend office mythbox update

[17:28:06]

GreyFoxx:

I missed it last weekend heh

[17:28:41]

jmblack:

can I point the frontends at the mtd service on the mythbackend? I didnt see a way to do that

[17:29:48]

jmblack:

Torg, nah, Im not looiing for speed. just convience of being able to put a DVD in at any frontend and pull it into mythvideo

[17:29:53]

jmblack:

*looking

[17:30:03]

|Torg|:

nfs mount the directory then

[17:30:09]

jmblack:

its done ;)

[17:30:12]

jared555:

it will not be too hard for them to use the basics, but like having to deal with searching through music, etc. would be bad

[17:30:32]

jmblack:

mtd is bitching about the log file, which I dont see az way to re-direct, should I just look again?

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jared555:

does mythtv support spdif sound output? (like with dvds that have been copied to hard drive)

[17:30:49]

hardnova:

any clues ?

[17:30:56]

jmblack:

the 2nd mtd tries to open the same log file as the other pc... /var/mythdvd on all PCs, NFS mounted

[17:30:56]

|Torg|:

all my wife knows how to do is watch what is recorded, and listen to her music. She still cant update the music when she adds more. And she schedules recordings with mythweb

[17:31:22]

|Torg|:

jared555 its not if myth supports it, its if your box suports it. its a funtion of alsa, not myth

[17:32:13]

jared555:

well I didn't know if mythvideo would output the digital surround sound signal to alsa or just decode it

[17:32:30]

GreyFoxx:

jared555: You can enable a spdif passthrough mode

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|Torg|:

yes and yes

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jared555:

k.

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GreyFoxx:

though I've never used it in practice

[17:32:47]

|Torg|:

it can be passwed though or decoded, whichever you specify in alsa

[17:33:00]

** hardnova looks at the floor ? **

[17:33:15]

|Torg|:

I use AC3 and DTS passthough to my AV system, wroks flawless

[17:33:17]

jared555:

well if I put a box in the living room (well my room too....) it will be hooked into a stereo

[17:33:51]

|Torg|:

my myth is connected to a Sony Av processor and a JVC TV (hence the reason I need the 880)

[17:34:05]

|Torg|:

my myth box does nohting more then pass the signal to the AV

[17:34:24]

|Torg|:

I can dump wav files (with some expcetion in encoding) direct to the AV as well

[17:34:58]

GreyFoxx:

hardnova: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Keybindi . . . ard_commands

[17:35:01]

jared555:

setting it up in my room will not be a problem then, the difficult part will be convincing my parents to do it lol

[17:35:27]

GreyFoxx:

Specifically the "Watching Recordings Only" section

[17:35:33]

|Torg|:

becae you have to set the sterio, the tv and the myth box and get them all in the right modes?

[17:36:27]

jared555:

because we will either have to run ethernet to the living room or upgrade to wireless g (which I have planned on doing anyway), also there being a computer in yet another room of the house

[17:36:46]

hardnova:

Greyfox interesting thanks

[17:37:04]

|Torg|:

ahh the "computer is unsightly" argument

[17:37:36]

jared555:

well we can hide it, but unless we build a system specifically for it there will be fan noise

[17:38:01]

|Torg|:

what do you output to for the sound and what for the video?

[17:38:37]

jared555:

I can only hear 2 of the 8 computers in my room cause those 2 are so loud... |Torg| as in the equipment?

[17:38:41]

|Torg|:

as for fan noise, I see ALLOT of people complain about it. I have 2 compturs in the living room, and I never hear them over the AV and TV which have fans themselves

[17:39:02]

|Torg|:

yes as in teh equiment, there are a total of 12 runing systms in my house

[17:39:22]

|Torg|:

the office is somewhat loud, with white noise. Not so much that it is irrtating but it is noticable

[17:39:38]

|Torg|:

most of that comes not from the comptuers but frm the switch/rotuer and printer

[17:39:57]

|Torg|:

same is true about the living room, there are 2 compures in there (the FE and BE to be specific)

[17:40:15]

|Torg|:

when I turn on the AV and the DLP TV, they make noise (more of that white noise)

[17:40:31]

|Torg|:

they are in fact louder then both of the computers togherht

[17:40:32]

jared555:

in my room it will be a onkyo stereo receiver and either a pretty cheap tv or a computer monitor.... the living room it will be a 32" tv (maybe svideo/rca sound) and an onkyo stereo receiver for movies

[17:40:32]

GreyFoxx:

The only room where the noise of a PC bothered anyone at my house was my wife hated having the frontend on in the bedroom at night

[17:40:41]

GreyFoxx:

so I'd turn it off

[17:40:42]

|Torg|:

when I watch TV you cant (well I cant) even notice the fan noise

[17:40:58]

GreyFoxx:

but since I 've placed it with a silent msntv2 so I leave it on all the tim enow

[17:41:04]

|Torg|:

yes GreyFoxx I dont put computers in my bedroom for exactly that reason

[17:41:20]

jared555:

when the fans on my main computer are turned down it isn't too big of a deal, but when I turn them up all the way you can hear them throughout the house

[17:41:23]

|Torg|:

if noise is an issue tho there are quite power supplies and fans

[17:42:28]

jared555:

dunno if it would be worth it to set it up for them to actually use or not since I will probably be going to college in around 6 months

[17:42:56]

hardnova:

where is the irc plugin for myth :P

[17:42:59]

|Torg|:

I think peple are too obcessed with noise myslef

[17:43:29]

|Torg|:

hardnova its under alt-f1 and BitchX

[17:43:41]

jared555:

|Torg|, can't even hear the air conditioning over the computers ;) noise doesn't really bother me

[17:44:25]

jared555:

I may be having to get a window air conditioner specifically for my room though, earlier this winter I had all the computers on, the heat shut off, and a window open part way and it was 80–85F in my room

[17:44:55]

|Torg|:

right now I am in my office, I can distcly hear (if I p[ay attention to them) the HP4 printer and by two baynetowrks switches

[17:44:59]

|Torg|:

mostly I ignore them

[17:45:18]

|Torg|:

and yes some OSHA guy probbly will tell me ill die prematurel;y form al the nise

[17:45:26]

jared555:

I drown it out mostly, gets annoying watching movies though

[17:45:38]

|Torg|:

Ive been doing this for over 20 yers now and the datacenters I have been in are magnitudes louder

[17:45:43]

|Torg|:

really I think its a buch of BS

[17:46:01]

|Torg|:

turn up the AV then :P

[17:46:11]

|Torg|:

like I said the TV itslef is louder then the computers

[17:47:01]

jared555:

|Torg|, I do, but sometimes I can still hear the computers with the stereo turned up as loud as safely possible LOL

[17:47:22]

|Torg|:

put a bigger fan in the case???

[17:47:57]

jared555:

heh, it is because I have 3 vantec tornado fans in one computer and 5 fans/7 hard drives in another

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|Torg|:

I have 5 sata drives and one eide drive in my FE, the case is a stock nothing special (other then the extra driv bays) case

[17:48:50]

|Torg|:

the power supply is a 500W standard nothiung special power supply

[17:49:03]

|Torg|:

the case has 3 fans to it (I added two) and one on the cpu

[17:49:14]

|Torg|:

case runs about 32ish cpu 33ish

[17:49:28]

|Torg|:

and it isnt any louder then the TV or the AV

[17:49:35]

jared555:

I need to find out why SMART isn't working on my server...

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|Torg|:

I did abolutly NOTHING to make it more quiet

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jared555:

if you have movies organized in their original file structure like say /movies/WAR_OF_THE_WORLDS/VIDEO_TS do you have to hit war of the worlds and then video ts and then the video file?

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hardnova:

i have two tuners only they seem to have different amount of colour for the same channel can i adjust that on a per tuner per channel basis ?

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|Torg|:

NTSC?

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hardnova:

PAL

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|Torg|:

sounds like a tuner is screwed up

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hardnova:

how do you mean screwed up ?

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|Torg|:

if it is getting it from the same source, the differing limitaiton is the tuner

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jul:

hi. Im use a trackball mouse for my HTPC. Mouse support is working in menus, but not in the music player. Known bug ?

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hardnova:

they are both connected to the same antena

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GreyFoxx:

Myth doesn't officially support the use of the mouse. It's intended for remote and keyboard controls

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GreyFoxx:

So it's not a bug, but lack of support in that part of myth for it

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planktonboy:

hi all

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jul:

GreyFoxx – ouch, okay :(

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|Torg|:

why do you want to use a mouse anyway? its ment to be a DVR

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planktonboy:

I'm having problems with my myth backend closing down from the frontend on another machine, and I read that a fix for it was to use NFS in async mode

[18:00:29]

hardnova:

lol ambush porn

[18:00:30]

jul:

I use this trackball it's really cool : http://www.trust.com/products/product.aspx?artnr=14832

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jared555:

|Torg|, I would use one because I am going to be running a frontend on a system that gets used for other things

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planktonboy:

but I cant seem to find how to set up the nfs mount

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|Torg|:

its not meant to be used along side other things

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|Torg|:

its meant to be a dvr

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|Torg|:

you are makign the argument why does myuth not support my unsupported funtion

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jared555:

|Torg|, personally I don't care if I can't use a mouse but he probably has a different opinion

[18:02:21]

planktonboy:

basically have a backend and frontend running on the myth server and another frontend on my laptop, so do I needot set up the /etc/export and fstab on the laptop or on the server

[18:02:40]

planktonboy:

need to I mean :)

[18:03:07]

hardnova:

bugger it just crashed :(

[18:03:34]

GreyFoxx:

jul: Nifty

[18:03:35]

hardnova:

picture in picture mode on the same channel then press N

[18:03:45]

GreyFoxx:

I have a similar in air gyro mouse on my desktop machine

[18:03:56]

GreyFoxx:

but it's not a trackball

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jul:

GreyFoxx – it's really cool for a HTPC, you just hold it in your hand and play with the trackball

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|Torg|:

I have one too, I use it for presenting slides with my laptop

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alsoconfused:

planktonboy: /etc/exports on the server, fstab on the laptop

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|Torg|:

The ultimate 6-button 2.4 GHz wireless controller: presenter, trackball, laser pointer and desktop mouse in one device

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|Torg|:

do you have 802.11?

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jul:

no

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|Torg|:

good, do you plan on it?

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jul:

no, why ?

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fysa:

interference.

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jul:

ah ok

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|Torg|:

anything 2.4ghz and 802.11 dont mix

[18:06:19]

fysa:

I am switching from my Gyromouse to a Wii remote as soon as the bluetooth adapter arrives.

[18:06:23]

jul:

well since mythtv doesnt support mice, I wont use this device

[18:06:45]

jared555:

Is there any way to get a true live picture from mythtv? (like for playing a game, etc.)

[18:06:45]

planktonboy:

alsoconfused, ok thanks mate...and does that mean my mythtv recordings disk has to be partitioned in nfs format or is nfs just a filesharing protocol like smbfs

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alsoconfused:

the latter

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planktonboy:

right...coz my recordings disk is jfs

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planktonboy:

ok..that makes sense

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planktonboy:

:)

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planktonboy:

thanks alot

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planktonboy:

will give that a go

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Ediehow:

hi, please help

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Ediehow:

volume in myth doesn't do anything anymore

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|Torg|:

do you use spdif out?

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Ediehow:

no

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Ediehow:

pvr150mce

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Ediehow:

i mean, volume controls

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jared555:

someone mentioned future support possibly for this, is there a way to have a frontend on a laptop, and just make mythtv automatically make a local copy of one or more videos/tv shows (by automatic I mean without having to go to command line, etc.)

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hjohnson:

hmm.. having a front-end that could sync stuff to a video ipod would be wicked-cool

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hjohnson:

ie have it que stuff up, transcode it down to what the iPod wants, and the upload it ot the iPod.

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hardnova:

crashed again :(

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hardnova:

anyone with two tuners want to try

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hardnova:

LIVE TV "V" for picture in picture "B" to change attention to in picture display then "N" to swap , crashes every time

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hardnova:

only CRASHES when its left in the picture in picture window

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hardnova:

and pressing "N"

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Ediehow:

|Torg|: do you have any ideas?

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hardnova:

Hmmm

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Ediehow:

changing volume in myth does nothing

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|Torg|:

sorry Ediehow I dont use pvr150's or any other SD cards. So I dont know hw they ven operate

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gbee:

fwiw, supporting multimedia mice isn't really possible without externally remapping buttons to keyboard keys – QT only supports three mouse buttons and the wheel

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|Torg|:

I could guess it has something to so with hoiw the 150 passes though the information

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|Torg|:

I know I can not use volume controls but that is because I dump it to SPDIF, and thre isnt anything to limit

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Ediehow:

it only started recently

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|Torg|:

well what did you change?

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Ediehow:

i know new kernel changed from PCM to Wave

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Ediehow:

and using a newer myth

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|Torg|:

personnaly I would go look at what changed

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gbee:

|Torg|: I'm using a 2.4Ghz wireless mouse with 802.11g wireless on my laptop, works fine – although I'm not saying that it won't cause interference for some people

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|Torg|:

gbee my gyration keyboard I use on my FE is th same

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Ediehow:

anyone using kernel 2.6.19 or higher and alsa and myth?

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Ediehow:

PCM was replaced by Wave

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|Torg|:

it does seem to limit some streght across the other side of the house

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onewheelskyward:

I have a wireless trackball, keyboard and 2 11g wifi cards all in the same room with no issues.

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|Torg|:

I also have two 2.4 phones one will stomp the 802.11 making it non funtional the other doesnt effect it at all

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|Torg|:

all I was saying, is be carefull

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onewheelskyward:

Oh phones are another matter. Just try using a 2.4g phone anywhere near a microwave.

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hardnova:

OK foot note for colour difference , it helps to use antena splitter which matches the impedance , colour now much better :)

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|Torg|:

likewise onewheelskyward my microwav dosnt effect it either way, so it sorta depends on equpment and circumstnace

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onewheelskyward:

|Torg|: That's the fun of using unlicensed bands. :)

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gbee:

DECT uses a lower freq in Europe, so they don't interfere at all :)

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tfields:

hello!

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tfields:

I'm trying to find a control adapter for my directv reciever

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tfields:

this one: http://www.dtvcontrol.com/index.aspx?content=cable will work with it

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tfields:

however Adaptor only $11.50 each + $4.50 shipping

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tfields:

that seems quite high for a simple serial to 4p4c adapter

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tfields:

anyone know of a place with good prices on modular adapters?

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|Torg|:

http://www.irblaster.info/

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|Torg|:

via google, it was the first linkl

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gbee:

can't actually see what he was looking for there ...

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tfields:

yeah

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tfields:

I need a serial to 4p4c adapter

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tfields:

since my receiver can be controlled directly via the low speed data cable

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tfields:

also that costs even more ;)

[18:48:01]

tfields:

http://www.google.com/search?q=thanks+for+bei . . . xpert+though

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gbee:

$15.90 might seem a lot for what it is, but it won't break the bank either and as it's a one off cost :)

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tfields:

yeah I suppose

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tfields:

hehe

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tfields:

it's just that I'm always in a position where I need an adapter of some kind, and end up having to go to radioshack

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tfields:

and paying $12.99 for something that would be $1.29 on monoprice.com

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hardnova:

i have all thoes bits so i would make my own for nothing

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tfields:

I just bought a ton of adapters from monoprice though

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hardnova:

rj11 is what the curleycords of telephones use

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tfields:

yeah, 4 pin

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tfields:

hardnova: but aren't most curleycords only 2 conductor?

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hardnova:

so cut off a curley cord and solder it on a db9

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hardnova:

tfields no most rj11's are 4 pin 2 for the speaker 2 for the mike

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hardnova:

tfields i use to repair phones so i have lots of this kind of gear

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gbee:

I chose to buy mine from a guy in Germany, simply b4p4c adapter because I couldn't buy the parts in small quantities – e.g. the caps were only available in packs of 10 or more, but I only need two or three

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hardnova:

rj12's however sometimes only have 2 pins for telephone line connection

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gbee:

ermm, that's a paste error in the middle there – I didn't type b4p4c ;)

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tfields:

hmm

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Ediehow:

hi kormoc

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gbee:

wish I could turn off the touchpad easier on this laptop – not the first time I've hit it whilst typing and dumped the buffer into the middle of things

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onewheelskyward:

I do that all the time. I especially love it when my palm highlights a bunch of text and then I type over it.

[18:59:04]

Dagmar:

I like that a little screwdriver and five minutes is all it takes to disable them

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onewheelskyward:

hehe

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Dagmar:

Fumblepads suck

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gbee:

do need it occasionally ;)

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Dagmar:

No, I generally buy notebooks with a mouse-nipple on them

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gbee:

most often because I've left the mouse at home by accident ;)

[19:01:29]

Dagmar:

I would use a keyboard with a mousenipple on my desk if they made them in "ridiculous gamer" form-factor

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gbee:

my first laptop had a nipple, but I like the scroll features of modern touchpads

[19:01:56]

Dagmar:

I don't like having to take my hands and move them from the keyboard

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tfields:

I think I might get RSS

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hardnova:

rss ?

[19:03:57]

tfields:

repetitive stress syndrome

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tfields:

related to carpal tunnel syndrome

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Dagmar:

a.k.a. RSI

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tfields:

oh :>

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Dagmar:

I type like Liberache played, so there's little chance I'm repeating any motion, ever

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tfields:

my monitor at work is a 15" extremely dim LCD

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tfields:

an older one that has a terrible viewing angle

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tfields:

so I find myself hunching over it

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Dagmar:

Maybe try pointing it at you

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tfields:

it has no tilt adjustment

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Dagmar:

You sir, are no engineer.

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tfields:

the stand is round and wobbly as it is

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Dagmar:

Mine has a three-joint armature

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Dagmar:

It bolts to the desk

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Dagmar:

Kind of a PAIN IN THE A** to assemble tho

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tfields:

my monitor at home is beautiful and mounts to the wall

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tfields:

this one is tiny and analog only (???)

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Dagmar:

I'd be requesting replacement on a 15" anything

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Dagmar:

...definitely not worth mucking with a lame one when good used 17" CRTs (although heavy) are available for like @20

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tfields:

I offered my 1 year old 19" dell ultrasharp for $125

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tfields:

however my boss uses a 22" monitor

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tfields:

...at 800x600

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Dagmar:

lol

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Dagmar:

blind bastard

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tfields:

yeah

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Dagmar:

I'm using the 19" I have at home in 1600x1200

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onewheelskyward:

I have 1600 resolution, but I run my fonts at 150% of normal size...otherwise I can't read them. :)

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tfields:

I'm actually considering getting a dell 3007wfp

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Dagmar:

TrueType and point size specifications are much easier to deal with

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Dagmar:

tfields: They're not bad

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tfields:

what resolution are they, 2560x1580 or something like that?

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Dagmar:

"big" resolution. :)

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tfields:

30" 16:10

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tfields:

what's that in height and width?

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Dagmar:

They're large enough to do 1080 without screwing around with scaling, so that's big enough for me

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tfields:

I forget geometry on tuesdays

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onewheelskyward:

I'm thinking that a projector is the way to go. I could use the desk space, and they're cheaper than those 30" screens.

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Dagmar:

onewheelskyward: Figure in bulbs for the expected lifespan of either

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Dagmar:

The projector option is not as cheap as it first appears

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onewheelskyward:

Dagmar: True. I've seen them run $300.

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tfields:

uh,

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tfields:

projector bulbs can cost far more than that

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Dagmar:

The projectors at the office use bulbs that are ~$400

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Dagmar:

...and they're considered cheap

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tfields:

also, would you really want to use a projector for computing?

[19:15:01]

Dagmar:

Some go into the $500 range

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onewheelskyward:

tfields: Yes, but not in the level of projector I'm looking at. Can you say low end? :)

[19:15:26]

GreyFoxx:

The replacement bulbs on the infocus 4505 were 330CDN a year or 2 ago, but it really depends on how much you use it, high bright you have it, and what you buy

[19:15:34]

Dagmar:

mind you these hella-expensive bulbs are usually rated for 2000–3000 hours of use.

[19:15:36]

GreyFoxx:

the one we have in our office is insanely expensive

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Dagmar:

Be very careful about seeing something that has the $50 bulbs. They're about *fifty* hours a pop

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tfields:

I couldn't imagine using a projector for daily PC usage

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onewheelskyward:

Dagmar: That's good advice. Noted.

[19:16:30]

tfields:

it would have to overhead or behind the screen, and they're very noisy

[19:16:54]

Dagmar:

onewheelskyward: I've been keeping my eyes out for an "affordable" projector setup for about a year now.

[19:16:58]

onewheelskyward:

tfields: Some of them aren't that noisy, and a ceiling mount isn't difficult.

[19:17:01]

Dagmar:

It *still* looks like I'm going to have to build one

[19:17:14]

onewheelskyward:

Dagmar: What's your current top runner?

[19:17:39]

Dagmar:

The best I've seen are a few models that in the $400 range with $200 bulbs

[19:17:44]

Dagmar:

BUY USED.

[19:17:49]

Dagmar:

Assume the bulb is dead immediately.

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onewheelskyward:

heh.

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Dagmar:

The *best* deals I've seen have all been computer projectors that some salesman was getting rid of

[19:18:46]

Dagmar:

There's when you'll find the occasional native 1280x1024 display without going above the $400 mark

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tfields:

a ceiling mount is only acceptable if it's hooked up to a Clapper which mechanically retracts the tile it's on until it's flush with the rest of the ceiling

[19:19:02]

onewheelskyward:

That's about as much res as I'd want. Above that it gets prices.

[19:19:04]

onewheelskyward:

pricey.

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Dagmar:

Oh it gets pricey well befor then

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Dagmar:

I would also suggest looking at things like www.woot.com on a daily basis, and reading the specs on all the projectors they occasionally get and the *comments* people make on them

[19:19:46]

Dagmar:

You can learn a lot about lumens and so forth

[19:19:59]

Dagmar:

Otherwise you're better off spending your money on strippers in Vegas

[19:20:15]

onewheelskyward:

heh. I like my strippers to be a little more wholesome.

[19:20:19]

tfields:

hey, will 4p4c cable connect into an rj-45 jack?

[19:20:23]

jrr:

are there any PC cablecard devices, that myth could eventually support?

[19:20:23]

nelius:

help: my mythfrontend allways complains, that all inputs are in use, and i can't watch telly ...

[19:20:30]

tfields:

obviously it doesn't have 8 pins

[19:21:02]

Dagmar:

Yes, well, not learning about displays before buying one is the metaphoric equivalent of paying a stripper for a couch dance to watch her morph into an ambulatory chaise lounge and chase crystalline geese around.

[19:21:04]

nelius:

how can i see what myth-backend thinks, who is using the backend input?

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GreyFoxx:

jrr: Nope nothing out there not that myth can support, and it's not likely at this time that it will

[19:21:35]

GreyFoxx:

part of their goal is locking up people like us :)

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tfields:

hmm it will connect

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tfields:

I wonder if it's touching the pins enough though

[19:22:17]

Dagmar:

You are plugging *what* into an ethernet jack?

[19:22:18]

onewheelskyward:

Dagmar: That's probably the most visually complex similie I've ever been witness to.

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hads:

nelius: Information centre -> System status

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Dagmar:

onewheelskyward: It only begins to express how complex a device a projector can be when it's badly made

[19:23:06]

tfields:

trying 4 connector rj11 into a modular ethernet adapter

[19:23:08]

Dagmar:

I've seen a few projectors out there sporting a whole 300 lumens.

[19:23:25]

Dagmar:

So like, you can't watch it if you smoke because if you light a lighter the display whites out

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nelius:

hads: if i try this point, the frontend complains "no connection to backend"

[19:23:45]

hads:

nelius: So start the backend

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tfields:

right because smokers keep their lighters lit all day

[19:24:03]

nelius:

it is started :-)

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hardnova:

i need a sand blaster

[19:24:25]

Dagmar:

tfields: There's also the matter of most people might not like to have to turn off all the lights to watch TV

[19:24:28]

nelius:

if it isn't mythfrontent complains at startup, but it dosn't

[19:24:48]

onewheelskyward:

a 4 connector RJ11 will sometimes fit into an RJ45 jack. It won't do you any good unless you're repurposing your ethernet card for non-ethernet use though.

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tfields:

I'm not

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Dagmar:

"non-ethernet use" being an ice scraper for your car

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Dagmar:

If the phone rings while it's stuffed in there, kiss it goodbye

[19:25:18]

tfields:

I'm trying to connect serial cable to four pin four connecter rj11

[19:25:38]

onewheelskyward:

The ethernet card uses pins 1,2,3 and 6 to transmit data. The RJ11 will use 3,4,5 and 6.

[19:25:40]

nelius:

hads: looks like the backend crashes when i try to wath tv

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tfields:

awesome

[19:25:57]

tfields:

now remind me who said anything about an ethernet card

[19:26:18]

tfields:

I have rj11 couplers anyway

[19:26:27]

justinh:

you said modular ethernet adapter

[19:26:58]

Dagmar:

onewheelskyward: I even got a trouble call once for a client complaining his computer rebooted when the phone rang.

[19:27:10]

tfields:

http://images.monoprice.com/productlargeimages/11522.jpg

[19:27:15]

onewheelskyward:

Dagmar: Nice. :)

[19:27:17]

tfields:

that's a modular ethernet adapter ;)

[19:27:37]

onewheelskyward:

tfields: That might work.

[19:27:57]

tfields:

it might, but ethernet is 8 pin

[19:28:03]

justinh:

tfields: what are you doing?

[19:28:06]

tfields:

and I need 4 pin

[19:28:27]

onewheelskyward:

True, but RJ11 jacks have some extra space that allows them to fit. You're better off with an RJ45 connector, or course.

[19:28:30]

tfields:

connecting the 4 pin 4 connector rj-11 jack on my directv receiver to a serial cable

[19:28:35]

onewheelskyward:

Why can't you just use 4 pins of the RJ45?

[19:28:37]

justinh:

ah

[19:28:39]

hads:

That's not a modular ethernet adapter, that's a RJ45 to 9 pin adapter

[19:28:43]

Dagmar:

You can buy those pre-made

[19:28:46]

tfields:

ng the 4 pin 4 connector

[19:28:46]

onewheelskyward:

oooh it's an existing cable you're trying to use?

[19:28:51]

justinh:

buy an rj11 plug

[19:28:59]

justinh:

or an rj11 cable & chop it

[19:29:05]

justinh:

less hassle, less to go wrong

[19:29:08]

Dagmar:

Generally you buy a db9 connector with a rj11 jack on teh otehr side of it

[19:29:10]

tfields:

see rj11 is supposed to mean 4 pin 4 connector

[19:29:11]

Dagmar:

...or db25

[19:29:15]

justinh:

more reliable too no doubt

[19:29:22]

tfields:

but it's come to mean 6p4c

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tfields:

such as cat3

[19:29:56]

Dagmar:

Umm.. that stands for category 3.

[19:29:58]

hads:

RJ45 != ethernet

[19:30:28]

tfields:

and db9 does not necessitate serial communication. what's your point?

[19:30:37]

planktonboy:

ok managed to get NFS working...thanks alsoconfused, now to figure out how to incorporate it into the frontend on the laptop..anyways..will have to do that later as I have to go for a bit

[19:30:37]

xris:

hads: rj45 != rj45 most of the time

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planktonboy:

but thanks again

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Dagmar:

it's a category, not a hacked-up acronym.

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planktonboy:

later all

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tfields:

wait.. you mean to tell me that different standards of cable can accept different connectors ????????????????

[19:31:29]

tfields:

WOW

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tfields:

thanks

[19:32:29]

hads:

nelius: If you turn the logging up on your backend and watch the logs you may see what is happening.

[19:32:30]

Dagmar:

Look. Either describe accurately what it is you're doing or don't expect valuable input.

[19:32:38]

justinh:

I dunno, these guys come here asking for help and then they get all antzy

[19:32:40]

Dagmar:

By the way, that image is not a modular ethernet adapter.

[19:33:22]

Dagmar:

It's a freaking serial connector. Typically what gets plugged into the back of it is a simple piece of cat 5 going to a concentrator like a Portmaster or a Cyclades.

[19:33:23]

tfields:

I'm trying to connect serial cable to a four pin four connector rj11 jack

[19:33:37]

Dagmar:

So what plug is on what end?

[19:33:39]

onewheelskyward:

Actually, monoprice calls those things 'modular adaptors', correct or not.

[19:34:09]

hads:

But there's most likely no mention of ethernet there.

[19:34:11]

Dagmar:

onewheelskyward: Seems reasonable to me as they're pretty generic and come with the pins not pre-connected

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Dagmar:

I don't think you could reliably run 10base-T throught that if it were a high noise environment

[19:34:37]

onewheelskyward:

Yeah, they're all RJxx's.

[19:34:44]

tfields:

the rj11 jack is on the directv

[19:34:52]

tfields:

the serial port is on a PC

[19:34:54]

Dagmar:

OKay, so basically you have a phone cable on one end

[19:35:07]

justinh:

tfields: don't radioshack still sell rj11 plugs?

[19:35:08]

tfields:

right but it's not a standard 6 pin phone cable

[19:35:09]

Dagmar:

Okay, they do make the thing you were looking at in a four-pin version

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tfields:

cool

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Dagmar:

Just dig around a bit more

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tfields:

oh

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Dagmar:

That one looks like it's cut to handle RJ11, so it would probably work fine

[19:35:59]

Dagmar:

The, um, middle tier on the ziggurat hole is that bit

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tfields:

I have a bunch of rj11 couplers and jacks around here but none of them will hold a 4 pin cable

[19:37:04]

tfields:

it's too small, and sits on the pins at an angle

[19:37:16]

Dagmar:

Well, since you're buying and not scrounging parts there's nor eason why you can't just find an rj11 version of that

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Dagmar:

Google just turned up http://www.cablesnmor.com/index.asp?PageActio . . . mp;ProdID=90

[19:38:28]

Dagmar:

the search string was just "rj11 db9"

[19:38:45]

Dagmar:

Yay for at least something porn spammers haven't figured out to use as a keyword

[19:38:53]

tfields:

neat, but -

[19:39:11]

Dagmar:

You need a vendor who can accept payment in berries?

[19:39:18]

tfields:

crack rocks

[19:39:27]

Dagmar:

It's $2.00

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tfields:

there aren't a lot of details, and "rj11" is often used to describe a six pin adapter (which is actually rj12)

[19:39:53]

tfields:

which is the entire problem

[19:40:35]

tfields:

yes

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tfields:

that's why I keep saying 4p4c even though it's an odd way to denote things

[19:41:57]

Dagmar:

So go to www.digi-key.com

[19:42:03]

Dagmar:

Buy the individual pieces yourself.

[19:42:29]

tfields:

I guess I could, I already found them at mouser

[19:42:29]

Dagmar:

Engineer fetishes spank it to that company's catalog because it has luridly detailed diagrams of everything they sell

[19:43:01]

Dagmar:

If they don't sell it, it probably causes cancer in infants.

[19:43:34]

justinh:

and if they do sell it, it probably causes cancer in somebody ;)

[19:43:42]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Dagmar: When I worked at Future Electronics, we used to use Digikey's catalog for QA... (To verify the right part via the picture in the digikey catalog...;-) )

[19:43:53]

tfields:

HC-9B4M Male to RJ11 (4P4C).

[19:43:54]

Dagmar:

I thikn they have a small half page in subsection J for cancer causing items

[19:43:55]

tfields:

bingo

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Dagmar:

J-e-f-f-A: I was always blown away by the fact that if I werebuilding something I could use their catalog to render the thing in Autodesk

[19:44:51]

justinh:

we use weird connectors at work – they're like RJ11 connectors but the clip thing isn't in the middle of the plug, it's offset

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justinh:

oh shit. 5 forum posts to go & I'll have made 2000.

[19:46:27]

tfields:

oh wait that's from some store in taiwan and I need to order at least 5,000

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Dagmar:

lol

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justinh:

tfields: you not have a RadioSpares over there?

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justinh:

RadioShack prolly still sell them, as would any halfway decent electronics store

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tfields:

yeah I know

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justinh:

you know.. the ones that actually sell components still ;)

[19:47:52]

tfields:

it's just that if I spend $15, I should get more than one

[19:47:56]

Dagmar:

Digi-key sells the hoods

[19:48:06]

Dagmar:

Well, isn't 5000 more than one?

[19:48:11]

tfields:

:v

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justinh:

what? how much are they like?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Dagmar: I knew most of the parts anyways, but many of my co-workers didn't know a diode from a resistor, so it helped them alot. Plus many of the obscure connectors, it was convienent for Digikey to have the manufacturer's part number right there... ;-)

[19:48:33]

tfields:

RadioShack, around here at least is a giant ripoff

[19:48:42]

Dagmar:

J-e-f-f-A: Handy for when you're trying to order chips, too

[19:48:42]

justinh:

a 9W 'D' shou;dn't cost much, nor should a hood. and as for an Rj connector.. pennies

[19:48:46]

Kablooie:

Hey all. Quick question (hopefully). I'm doing a mythtv install on ubuntu edgy, following instructions compiled from Roo's Nexus guide, the Ubuntu Wiki, and HowToForge. I think I've got all the basics going OK and now I want to setup Mythweb. I'm getting a web page error message that says "Error. Please install the MySQL libraries for PHP." Can anyone help me out?

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pepin:

can someone answer a few questions about the LNB setup in myth?

[19:49:07]

Dagmar:

The robots at digi-key consider no order too small to pack into individual baggies and ship to you

[19:49:12]

pepin:

this seems to be the source of my problems atm

[19:49:21]

justinh:

yay another problem caused by Unclued Bub's blog pages

[19:49:28]

Dagmar:

lol

[19:49:29]

tfields:

will 4 pin phone cable work in a rj45 plug?

[19:49:43]

Dagmar:

tfields: Only if it's cut to accept it

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hads:

Kablooie: `aptitude install php-mysql` (maybe php5-mysql)

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tfields:

if what's cut?

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Dagmar:

The socket

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Dagmar:

RJ11 is a little taller

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tfields:

yeah but here's what I mean

[19:50:19]

justinh:

Dagmar: I think he means the actual wire, not a cable assy

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Dagmar:

Oh, that's kind of hard to screw up

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justinh:

don't geeks own soldering irons anymore?

[19:50:57]

Dagmar:

Just make sure you use the same pair

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tfields:

of course

[19:51:10]

justinh:

just solder the 9W D then

[19:51:52]

Kablooie:

hads: thanks. I just tried that and it says "Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used". Does that mean its already installed?

[19:51:54]

Dagmar:

Just crack them both open and connect them directly with 20ga stranded

[19:52:39]

hads:

Kablooie: `dpkg -l | grep php` will list all the php packages where you can check if they are installed

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tfields:

yeah that's what I'll do

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh: I have at least 5... ;-) (Soldering irons, that is!)

[19:53:21]

tfields:

doesn't APC use this exact cable for their serial UPS control?

[19:53:23]

Kablooie:

hads: thanks. I see that I've got php5-mysql and php5-mysqli installed

[19:53:34]

tfields:

if they do, I might have some laying around

[19:53:52]

hads:

Kablooie: OK, has apahe been restarted since they wre installed?

[19:54:02]

Kablooie:

hads: yup

[19:54:03]

justinh:

Kablooie: you might find a solution in the *official* mythtv wiki – which I believe (other than Jarod's FC guide) to be the only info you should trust

[19:54:06]

Kablooie:

twice :)

[19:54:08]

kormoc:

tfields, there's no standard behind it, APC might use the same cable or they might swap a few pins around

[19:54:20]

Kablooie:

justinh: checking

[19:54:22]

justinh:

I've read some proper bullshit in (cough) some other wikis

[19:54:28]

immolo:

heya, I was wondering if there is such a thing as a plugin that will convert my recordings to xvid rather then nvu?

[19:54:54]

kormoc:

immolo, you do understand that nuv is just a container, it can hold mpeg-4

[19:54:59]

justinh:

immolo: not so much a plugin as a script you can run from a commandline or as a user job – it's called nuvexport

[19:55:04]

Dagmar:

It can't hold berries, tho.

[19:55:12]

Kablooie:

hads and justinh: Actually, I've not followed any instructions other than the INSTALL file for MythWeb installation. Maybe I've missed a step.

[19:55:29]

immolo:

kormoc- No I didn't but I do now

[19:55:37]

hads:

Kablooie: What does `dpkg -l | grep libapache2-mod-php` show?

[19:55:46]

justinh:

and FYI nvu is an open source webpage editor

[19:55:51]

immolo:

justinh- I've used nvuexport before but I didn't think of adding as a job, thanks

[19:55:57]

justinh:

nuv is the mythtv video container format ;)

[19:55:58]

Kablooie:

hads: ii libapache2-mod-php5 5.1.6–1ubuntu2.1 server-side, HTML-embedded scripting languag

[19:56:03]

kormoc:

immolo, if you're using a non-hardware mpeg capture card or non-hd card, you're likely already recording it in mpeg-4 format

[19:56:18]

immolo:

justinh- yeah I always get them the wrong way around too

[19:56:19]

immolo:

:P

[19:56:21]

hads:

OK that's good. At least it's the right version on php :)

[19:56:35]

justinh:

if you want to play nuv files on winblows, you really should look at dsmyth

[19:56:49]

immolo:

justinh- no need for that

[19:57:00]

immolo:

I just like xvid better

[19:57:10]

** justinh is suspicious **

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hads:

Kablooie: `grep extension=mysql /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini` should show an line that's uncommented.

[19:57:41]

hads:

erm *a* line (or two)

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justinh:

you'll never see a .nuv file on bittorrent or newsgroups :-P

[19:58:02]

immolo:

lol, I keep all my recordings backed up as xvid so it would be nice to not have to do it by hand

[19:58:03]

Kablooie:

hmm, looks like it starts with a semi-colon which I assume is a comment....

[19:58:20]

immolo:

justinh- I've seen one on a bit torrent site

[19:58:21]

onewheelskyward:

Yep that's a comment

[19:58:28]

justinh:

I mean er.. I bloody hope there aren't any

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hads:

Kablooie: Yes, it is a comment. Uncommend that and restart apache again

[19:58:40]

justinh:

anyway I'm off to watch some mythtv

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Kablooie:

hads: restarting it. Cross your fingers

[19:59:36]

hardnova:

anyone got two tv cards ?

[19:59:46]

Dagmar:

lots of people

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kormoc:

hardnova, plenty of people do

[19:59:55]

kormoc:

plenty more have more then two

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Dagmar:

I have four sitting in a box.

[20:00:08]

Kablooie:

hads: woo-hoo! I it works!

[20:00:15]

onewheelskyward:

Dagmar: They might be more useful in a computer. ;)

[20:00:23]

hads:

Kablooie: Good stuff

[20:00:24]

Dagmar:

Not these. They're freaking Brooktree cards

[20:00:28]

hardnova:

want somone to try v , b , n combo in live tv

[20:00:30]

tfields:

it's pretty simple to solder it, I guess I'm just downtrodden because I ordered a giant variety of adapters from monoprice recently

[20:00:33]

Kablooie:

Hads: thanks man!

[20:00:39]

hads:

No probs

[20:00:42]

hardnova:

it crashes my myth every time

[20:00:46]

onewheelskyward:

Dagmar: Aah, the good old BT878. My first TV card was one of those.

[20:00:48]

tfields:

audio, video, data, you name it

[20:00:57]

tfields:

but I didn't get any serial or parallel :v

[20:01:01]

Dagmar:

Not only that, they're those wacky gimped ones that some company made to go in a line of computers that then got dismantled and wound up all over eBay, resulting in the company having a page on their website which more or less said...

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kormoc:

hardnova, v, b, n?

[20:01:32]

Dagmar:

"We made these but they weren't supposed to be sold on the open market. We will never support them, they have been disowned. We hate you for having one, and we lay a curse on the people who sold it to you."

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hardnova:

i have pvr150's because i like that they have hardware mpeg encoders

[20:02:05]

Dagmar:

They worked as okay as any Bt card ever did for me

[20:02:06]

tfields:

damn, I was given a card that you guys might be able to help me identify, but I don't have it with me :/

[20:02:24]

onewheelskyward:

Hardware MPEG-2 FTW

[20:02:32]

Dagmar:

PVR-500 uber alles

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tfields:

it had a big "wintv" sticker that covered up all of the useful stickers

[20:02:49]

Dagmar:

These, you buy online.

[20:02:59]

Dagmar:

There is no sense in being robbed blind by a brick & mortar store

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onewheelskyward:

What's the low end choice for an over-the-air HD tuner?

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Smirnov:

online*

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Dagmar:

Smirnov: Maybe they should tell my local store then

[20:03:55]

Smirnov:

Dagmar: buy online do local pickup

[20:04:03]

Dagmar:

No thanks, I already have a pvr-500

[20:04:07]

Smirnov:

it sucks cause i just bought pvr-150 a few weeks ago for a $90

[20:04:16]

tfields:

are there hardware mpeg-4 encoders?

[20:04:24]

Smirnov:

yeah but none that are supported by myhtv

[20:04:27]

tfields:

ah.

[20:04:31]

fryfrog:

not true

[20:04:34]

fryfrog:

the plextor one

[20:04:42]

fryfrog:

is mpeg4 and supported by myth, afaik

[20:04:50]

Smirnov:

since when?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Not even the USB2 ones?

[20:04:56]

Smirnov:

it wasnt supported last week

[20:05:13]

fryfrog:

months or more i'm sure

[20:05:24]

Smirnov:

fryfrog: can you provide some url

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|Torg|:

http://www.sulekhab2b.com/Product/Search/hardware-mpeg4.htm

[20:05:53]

|Torg|:

Smirnov http://www.google.com/search?q=hardware+mpeg- . . . -US:official

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Smirnov:

|Torg|: dont be an ass

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tfields:

what kind of pc do I need to take OAB 1080i and deinterlace to 720p on the fly?

[20:06:02]

fryfrog:

humm, i don't see it in ./configure --help :/

[20:06:15]

fryfrog:

sorry, i don't have one so i have no idea. i just though i saw it

[20:06:19]

tfields:

while running folding@home and ripping HD-DVDs

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|Torg|:

actually Smirnov I was showing you how you could use google to search

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onewheelskyward:

tfields: A Cray.

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Smirnov:

|Torg|: no youre being an ass, i was asking for evidence that mythtv supports an mpeg4 encoder

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|Torg|:

I take it from your answer you do not know what a search engine is

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pepin:

I saw 31337 code to make google transcode frames for u

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|Torg|:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client . . . ;btnG=Search

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tfields:

a cray? you mean those adding machines our dads drooled over the prospect of spending an hour with?

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Smirnov:

|Torg|: you really are slow arent you?

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tfields:

x__x

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|Torg|:

Smirnov no but apparently you are

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pepin:

honestly, what would they have done, given the chance to use a cray

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pepin:

what, wrote a single threaded hello world in fortran

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pepin:

wow.

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tfields:

you're right, scientists have no legit use for a cray

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tfields:

thanks for clearing that up

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Smirnov:

|Torg|: youre so helpful, i cant wait for a newb to come in ask a question, only for you to direct them to google

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|Torg|:

Smirnov most of what people ask here can be ansered by the wiki or google

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|Torg|:

its not uncommon for people to ask questions that a simple google search can help with

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Smirnov:

the topic already quite clearly reiterates that

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|Torg|:

yes and your point is?

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Smirnov:

if you like repeating things then go ahead..

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gbee:

he wouldn't need to repeat it if people actually paid attention to it in the first place

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hardnova:

anyone know about an audio input problem with the video in on prv150 ? the sound is all raspy

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Milosch:

sure you're not overdriving it?

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hads:

hardnova: What version of ivtv?

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** Beirdo shrinks filesystems on his RAID to make more space **

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hardnova:

how do i tell ?

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hads:

Wel... how did you install it?

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hardnova:

ivtv-0.6.2–110

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hads:

Well, I don't know about the 0.6 series but the 0.7 series had a 'tinny audio' bug that was fixed in 0.72. Check the changelogs to see if it affected the 0.6 series too

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hardnova:

yea its very tinny i had this before but there was something i did last time that stoped it

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Beirdo:

damned XFS non-shrinkable filesystems :)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

hardnova: Try turning down the record level in the setup – especially if it's above 90%... I think I've got mine at 85% iirc (not at home to check atm)

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hjohnson:

yeah, if XFS was shrinkable, I'd have used tha tinstead of ext3

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doc-:

hi there

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|Torg|:

its shikanble: tar cvf ....; newfs ...; tar xvf ... :)

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hjohnson:

|Torg|: assuming you have the scratch space. :D

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|Torg|:

oh details :)

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hjohnson:

you just need to mount the scratch monkey, taqr and feather it, fsck it, and unmount.

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|Torg|:

if only I had a 2TB disk to do that with

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gbee:

hardnova: does "ivtvctl -c audio=0xE9" sound familiar?

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hardnova:

wierd resetting the audio channel a random amount of times with ivtvctl -d1 -q1 seems to fix it ?

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hardnova:

gbee maybe that does a similar thing ?

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jrr:

who knows about using a firewire source and 5C protection?

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gbee:

no idea, don't have an ivtv card – juski was just offering that as the solution to the problem earlier today

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|Torg|:

other then your screwed jrr?

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hads:

hardnova: Yes, that is the symptons of the bug I told you about.

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hardnova:

is there some way of fixing this , so upgrade ivtv should fix this

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gbee:

it gets reset with each channel change, so unless you update to the latest ivtv, then you'll need to stick that in a channel change script

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hads:

07:17:04 < hads> Well, I don't know about the 0.6 series but the 0.7 series had a 'tinny audio' bug that was fixed in 0.72. Check the changelogs to see if it affected the 0.6 series too

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

jrr: It ain't going to happen... No 5C-compliant PC firewire card is likely to ever make it to market either...

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hardnova:

only my box will need to upgrade fedora also :( because there is no update for ivtv

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hads:

Well... ivtv is available

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hardnova:

I guess i could compile one myself

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|Torg|:

jrr tell them you want to watch it over firewire, an mandated by the FCC, and to turn off 5C on your box

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|Torg|:

you have about a snowballs chance in hell, but its about your only option

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sn9:

digital cable probs again?

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gbee:

hardnova: the channel change script solution should work well enough and will be quicker to do

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hads:

gbee: Not really, you need to reset the device a random number of times to make it work.

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hardnova:

channel change script ?

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hardnova:

in setup ?

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gbee:

hads: not what juski said, but as I said, I don't have an ivtv card

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hads:

gbee: I had to deal with this bug on a couple of boxes.

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gbee:

it doesn't take effect immediately because of the audio buffering, but once should be enough

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gbee:

ah well

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hads:

Resetting it once works often but not always.

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|Torg|:

jrr actauly you shoudl cll them and tell them you what 5C off. If they say no tell them to come get there equipment and cancel your serivece, then go get an ATSC card and get HDTV free

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|Torg|:

and while your at it tell them you want a refund of service you could not use

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GreyFoxx:

then call them bitches and hang up the phone

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GreyFoxx:

*snap*

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gbee:

insult their mothers first

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, I forgot about the fat mamma jokes

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sn9:

if it's comcast, that won't gain you anything

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sn9:

they're too used to it

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_mike3_:

hey guys... I got MythTV all setup and done, but I was wondeirng how can I watch TV from another computer? I've setup the database to accept connections on my local subnetk, but which software can I use just as a frontend to connect under liux?

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|Torg|:

used to what the complaint or the fat mother jokes

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hads:

_mike3_: mythtv

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_mike3_:

:)

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_mike3_:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

hahahahahahahahahahaahahahhahaah

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|Torg|:

well he did get a proper answer

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|Torg|:

altho I would have been a bit more specifc and said mythfrontend

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sn9:

used to both

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|Torg|:

afaik tho that request goes to /dev/null

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sn9:

the local cable franchise authority often does not have a /dev/null, though

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|Torg|:

well the one and only time I send a complain to the fcc it went into a black hole

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|Torg|:

I didnt even get a confirmation they even got it, let alone they actualy did anything

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sn9:

in comcast areas, the authority will always have a "comcast division" to lessen the load on other telecom complaints

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stuarta:

evening ppl

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sn9:

good afternoon

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|Torg|:

sn9 I wouldnt doubt it

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|Torg|:

good evening stuarta

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stuarta:

evening, anyone know of a windoze irc client that's more like irssi and less like gaim

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Beirdo:

ssh to a linux box with irssi?

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Beirdo:

or use xchat? :)

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stuarta:

hmmm... indeed

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Beirdo:

in short, no, I don't know of one ;)

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stuarta:

!trout himself stupid

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|Torg|:

BitchX under cygwin?

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Beirdo:

xchat works fine under 'blows

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** stuarta fires up putty **

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Beirdo:

heh, but yes. ssh to the linux box will get you most "like" irssi :)

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sn9:

stuarta: http://b0at.tx0.org/xchat/

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Beirdo:

heh. irssi inside screen does wonders :)

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GreyFoxx:

stuarta: screen+console irc client = yay

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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stuarta:

indeed, i'm a big fan of screen + irssi

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stuarta:

hence the stupid trout

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Beirdo:

we all have our days :)

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GreyFoxx:

If you don't have a machine with a static IP I can give you a shell on phaze.org. screen, bitchx and irssi are available

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Beirdo:

here, have a beer to go with yer fish :)

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stuarta:

clearly watching mail logs all day has gone to my brain...

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|Torg|:

GreyFoxx that or use one of the dymanic services

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stuarta:

damn that's going to be laggy as shit

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** stuarta tries option 2 **

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GreyFoxx:

pffft, I'd rather a static IP than one of those, but to each their own :)

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** stuarta has static + everything else he needs..... **

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|Torg|:

GreyFoxx so would I, but many isps charge extra for static ips

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stuarta:

except brain cells...

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sn9:

stuarta: if option 2 is that link i pasted, then ++

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|Torg|:

altho they thesleves didnt pay for it

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GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: Ahhh, I'

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GreyFoxx:

m, not referring to machines on the other end of resdential connections

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stuarta:

no it's not :-)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

|Torg| Use dynamic dns... ;-)

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|Torg|:

J-e-f-f-A I do, I was just commenting on GreyFoxx's suggestion you get a static IP address

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

|Torg| – Yeah, a broadband connection with dyndns is pretty good — the IP only changes when I power-cycle my router... I don't think I've ever seen Verizon do it on me automatically...

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GreyFoxx:

, I wasn't telling him to get one, I was mearly stating that if he didn't have one, I'd give him access to my colo machyine

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Beirdo:

J-e-f-f-A, you are lucky

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GreyFoxx:

But it doesn't matter anyway since he has it covered

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GreyFoxx:

My home IP hasn't changed in over a year and a half

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Beirdo:

my crap ISP sees that I use the dynamic IP I have, and dump me

[20:55:04]

Beirdo:

or something

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GreyFoxx:

Beirdo: Still on Liberty with their tiny lease ?

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|Torg|:

J-e-f-f-A I do the same thing with free dynamic hosting and my own domain

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Beirdo:

either way, my IP changes up to 3 times a day

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Beirdo:

GreyFoxx, no choice yet. 2h lease--

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Beirdo:

still no DSL in this neighborhood

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Bierdo: But you're down in PR now, right? Maybe it's the service itself?

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|Torg|:

dyn it every hour then?

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Beirdo:

and sat internet just has TOO much latency

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Beirdo:

yeah, I'm in PR. It's definitely the shit ISP

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sn9:

no fios anywhere near me, either

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|Torg|:

closets fios to me is across two counties

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Beirdo:

hell, the wonks told us "up to a year before you can get DSL in that neighborhood" back in July

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Beirdo:

as soon as it's available, Liberty Cablevision's getting terminated with great prejudice.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Beirdo: Maybe they're checking for open ports, like 80 or 25, and blocking based on that?

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Beirdo:

they don't even have any extra cable boxes right now, it seems

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|Torg|:

Beirdo I hve few in the closet I could ship you

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Beirdo:

well, there's nothing in the user agreement that says they reserve that right

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|Torg|:

me and Comcast have parted ways

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Beirdo:

well, Liberty wouldn't let me use one of em if I had it :(

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Beirdo:

I think we'll have Dish soon

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|Torg|:

I would get dish is they would give me firewire

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Beirdo: Dish for TV, right?

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Beirdo:

yup

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|Torg|:

that will happen about the same time the UK gets HDTV OTA

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

|Torg| – Their HD box has firewire — is it not enabled? (or perhaps encrypted?)

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Beirdo:

we are stuck with these jokers as an ISP for now unless we want the 500ms latency of sat internet

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|Torg|:

you mean the depricated dishnet 6000 with the firewire hack?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

|Torg| – That's probably it... I thought it came 'standard' on their HD box. I'm a dish customer, but not HD... Just SD atm, with HD OTA...

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Beirdo:

I'd half consider getting Dish's PVR and then cracking it open

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Beirdo:

but my wife would kill me

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|Torg|:

yes the current one dosnt have firewire, at least I havnt seen one

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|Torg|:

I got a few of those too, im not too impresses with there PVR

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Beirdo:

well, if it were an HD one...

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|Torg|:

dishnets PVR + Comcast servcie is what started me on mythtv :)

[21:01:56]

Beirdo:

oh jeez, we have a lot of digital pictures to burn to DVD-R and get the hell off my fileserver

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|Torg|:

Id go with directv as well, if they had a way for me to get HDTV off the box into my myth system

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|Torg|:

my local Comcast 5C's all HDTV content, even the local channels. And yes I know its agsint FCC rules, hence the reason I know the complaint system goes to /ev/null

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Beirdo: I've got two of the 'original' dish PVR's — DP7100 and DP7200... I've even equipped one with a removable drive cage for easy ripping of recorded shows right from the drive. (In my pre-myth days...) One advantage with that is that it's a pure digital rip – no analog conversion, and high-quality compression (~1GB/hr at 544x480 in stunning quality for that resolution)

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Beirdo:

precisely :)

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Beirdo:

and I'd bet the latest ones run linux :)

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hardnova:

how can i upgrade my distrubution and keep my mythtv setup ?

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|Torg|:

what is your distro?

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hardnova:

fc4

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Beirdo:

|Torg|, then likely vxworks :)

[21:04:31]

Beirdo:

heh

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|Torg|:

umm your not suposed to be in the boxes, so no comment :P

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Beirdo: the old ones like I have don't have monthly fees either. (But they're only SD too...) I use one simply as a tuner for myth atm... The other one has the cage and a 120GB drive — My wife uses it exclusively in the living room. (She doensn't touch myth — it's ALL MINE [and my son's] at the moment! ) ;-)

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Beirdo:

muhahah

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Beirdo:

well, if I pay $700 to buy the beotch, I have the right to break it however I please... if my better half agrees

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|Torg|:

I havea 510 in the closet as well as mico$soft dishnet hybrid called a dishplayer

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hardnova:

recomended distro for mthtv ?

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|Torg|:

ive often thought of raping the harddrives out and repurposing them

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Beirdo:

hardnova, whatever you are used to

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kormoc:

hardnova, whatever one you know the best

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stuarta:

ahhh, much better

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

|Torg| – Yeah, that's what I have — it's Known as the DishPlayer 7100 (or 7200 if it had the 16GB drive)

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|Torg|:

J-e-f-f-A I did get it to play doom tho :)

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hardnova:

i started with slackware in 1995 so it doesnt really matter , fedora is pissing me off because they dont support the distrubution for very long

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|Torg|:

then get slackware, admin it like you own it. and lay mythtv on top.

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I went Slackware -> RH6.2 (up to FC1) -> ubuntu

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Beirdo:

but do whatever comes naturally

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hardnova:

i can get about in just about any distro linux

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

|Torg| Do you still have dish network?

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hardnova:

i tried ubuntu and thought it was crap

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|Torg|:

I sent RH6 -> Mandrake 7 -> Debian

[21:08:20]

|Torg|:

yes J-e-f-f-A ,why?

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Beirdo:

oh right, I did toy with mandrake for a short time

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sn9:

why would anyone who started with slackware tolerate RH all the way from 6.2 to FC1?

[21:08:44]

Beirdo:

it was such a RH ripoff.

[21:09:05]

Beirdo:

because, adminning RH is way easier than adminning Slackware back then

[21:09:20]

Beirdo:

and with like 5 computers at the smallest count...

[21:09:21]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

|Torg| – you could activate that receiver for $5/month, and rip directly off the HDD... even upgrade it to 120GB. (won't work with > 137GB ) — It's much more work than Myth though...

[21:09:32]

hardnova:

anyone running centos

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|Torg|:

J-e-f-f-A shh :P

[21:09:51]

|Torg|:

they dont do HDTV tho

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Beirdo:

!trout J-e-f-f-A|work

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gbee:

Beirdo: I'd disagree, I moved from RH to mandrake and found it to be an improvement – this was a long time back, so it's possible that RH subsequently evolved to be more like Mandrake ;)

[21:10:13]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:10:26]

Beirdo:

ummm, no, Mandrake was RH plus stuff

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Beirdo:

that's how they started it

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|Torg|:

Mandrake is RH + PLF

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Beirdo:

kinda like ubuntu started as debian + stuff

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Beirdo:

they diverge over time, but Mandrake was originally very much a RH ripoff

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sn9:

Beirdo: oh. yeah, i guess after 1995 slack, one can be so amazed how much easier RH is that it's easy to ignore that RH is torture compared to ubuntu

[21:11:19]

Beirdo:

oh hell yeah, I gave up on FC1

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gbee:

well the plus stuff was significant enough that I never saw any direct relationship between them ;)

[21:11:38]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

|Torg|: Yeah. I'm currently using 3x dish receivers for SD (via ir blasters, s-video & audio into a PVR-500 and PVR-250) for SD, and an HD-3000 for OTA HD. Looking into HD options... but only really have Comcast (YUCK), and Verizon FiOS TV (Everything except local HD is encrypted, even on firewire...)

[21:12:15]

sn9:

ubuntu was never debian+stuff — if anything, ubuntu's strength is being debian-stuff (minus)

[21:12:19]

Beirdo:

when RedHat shitcanned RHN while I was a paying user (and made us all pay for the service per year), I said to hell with them

[21:12:51]

Beirdo:

sn9, riiight. That's why all the debs are based on debian debs until about hoary

[21:12:54]

hardnova:

the best thing and also the worst thing about linux is its constantly getting better

[21:13:08]

gbee:

to be fair it was never a fair comparison, I was using gnome under RH and KDE under Mandrake – that is bound to colour my view of the distro as a whole

[21:13:16]

Beirdo:

the ChangeLogs are directly from Debian with ubuntu stuff added to it

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hardnova:

rebuilding the whole system to upgrade one component seems silly to me

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kormoc:

1 Gentoo install lasts a lifetime

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Beirdo:

anyways, I like ubuntu whereever it came from

[21:14:40]

Beirdo:

kormoc, only because it makes you wanna kill yerself

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** kormoc laughs **

[21:15:13]

jhutchins:

Are there tuner cards that will accept the smartcard from DirecTV and tune directly off the sattelite?

[21:15:19]

kormoc:

jhutchins, no

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|Torg|:

jhutchins no

[21:15:30]

jhutchins:

Ah well.

[21:15:34]

|Torg|:

god I wish there were, but no

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sn9:

no, you have to already wanna kill yerself before you try to install gentoo

[21:15:59]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

jhutchins: If there were, many of us would have it!

[21:16:00]

jhutchins:

It would be so much easier to just start with the digital recording in raw format.

[21:16:01]

gbee:

for me it's just down to a couple of key applications and differences – that's the only thing that keeps me using one distro instead of another

[21:16:13]

|Torg|:

id settle for a 8vsb + nagra cam too

[21:16:23]

Beirdo:

anyways, distro wars are pointless. just find something you like and enjoy :)

[21:16:37]

gbee:

precisely

[21:16:46]

|Torg|:

exactly Beirdo

[21:16:56]

Beirdo:

each one of us likes things for different reasons anyways :)

[21:17:18]

Beirdo:

as long as it's something current (or close to it) mythtv should be quite usable

[21:17:39]

Beirdo:

if you have to recompile the world to do mythtv, you might as well pick another distro (or use gentoo anyways)

[21:17:51]

Beirdo:

so like TurboLinux from 10 years ago is a bad choice

[21:17:51]

|Torg|:

or Debian :P

[21:18:03]

|Torg|:

Yellowdog?

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jduggan:

lmfao turbo linux

[21:18:09]

gbee:

at the end of the day it's all so closely related that we might as well be arguing over different colours of the same car model

[21:18:11]

|Torg|:

Yggdrasil?

[21:18:15]

jduggan:

havent heard of that in some years

[21:18:17]

kormoc:

Beirdo, you know, I liked turbo linux, it wasn't as bad as some of the other sout there

[21:18:23]

Beirdo:

OMG. yggdrasil. been some time

[21:18:32]

|Torg|:

yea thats where I started

[21:18:34]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

How about "WinLinux 2000" ??? ;-) I remember downloading that on my c*mcast connection in 48 minutes about 8 years ago...

[21:18:40]

|Torg|:

im surpised anywhere even remebers it :P

[21:18:59]

Beirdo:

well, if you have to compile Qt, you might want to reconsider your distro choice

[21:19:07]

Beirdo:

unless you intend to compile it all :)

[21:19:30]

Beirdo:

it's not a fun thing to do :)

[21:19:41]

opello:

but, -fomg-faster

[21:19:46]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:19:51]

Beirdo:

sure, if you say so

[21:19:59]

opello:

</sarcasm>

[21:20:03]

Beirdo:

:)

[21:20:09]

opello:

so in a meeting today, someone actually said "funroll loops"

[21:20:19]

opello:

and the consultant corrected him ... "no, f unroll loops"

[21:20:32]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:20:39]

|Torg|:

hell run Debian Woody, get bleeding edle, most likly to break or use Potato for the stability paranoid

[21:20:45]

opello:

i nearly laughed very, very loudly :)

[21:20:59]

sn9:

knoppmyth

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|Torg|:

opello thsoe are like fruitloops :)

[21:21:29]

Beirdo:

if you are a masochist, you can try LFS :)

[21:21:40]

opello:

|Torg|: heh

[21:21:47]

Beirdo:

guaranteed to maximize the compiling pain

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kormoc:

sadly, if Gentoo wasn't around, I'd be a LFS user

[21:22:01]

Beirdo:

yeah, but we already know YOU are a masochist :)

[21:22:06]

opello:

i like gentoo for the package management :)

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** kormoc laughs **

[21:22:10]

kormoc:

fair 'nuff

[21:22:14]

opello:

but i don't -funroll-loops :)

[21:22:27]

|Torg|:

I have it running now

[21:22:34]

|Torg|:

I apt-get update every so often

[21:22:43]

onewheelskyward:

What distro should I be looking at, is it still sarge?

[21:22:45]

|Torg|:

compile myth via distcc on 4 simlair dual core boxes

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|Torg|:

runs real nice, execpt when I get those amn svn bugs :P

[21:22:58]

Beirdo:

just apt-get dist-upgrade to dapper ;)

[21:23:03]

onewheelskyward:

Wow, that must have taken about 5 minutes to compile. :)

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** Beirdo is being an ass **

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|Torg|:

no more like 10, it still has to ld those libs on the main box

[21:23:39]

onewheelskyward:

Oh yes, of course.

[21:23:41]

gbee:

one thing that always makes me laugh is people who talk about linux being so stable, that it can run for months/years without a reboot, yet they change their distro every week

[21:23:49]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:23:51]

Beirdo:

yeah

[21:23:59]

onewheelskyward:

haha too true.

[21:24:02]

Beirdo:

it's so stable, I 'emerge world' weekly

[21:24:05]

Beirdo:

suuuure

[21:24:12]

Beirdo:

or 'apt-get upgrade', etc

[21:24:12]

onewheelskyward:

Linux is stable. It's the applications that screw you.

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|Torg|:

how often do you patch Solaris?

[21:24:30]

|Torg|:

onewheelskyward the same can be said for windows

[21:24:30]

Beirdo:

about 4 times a year

[21:24:33]

kormoc:

Beirdo, I update packages weekly just fine and have *tons* of uptime :P

[21:24:38]

onewheelskyward:

|Torg|: This year we have to patch it to fix the DST change.

[21:24:38]

Beirdo:

if you're smart anyways

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|Torg|:

Windows runs great, just dont install any other software

[21:24:48]

Beirdo:

kormoc, yeah, yeah :)

[21:25:20]

|Torg|:

kormoc if my myth boxes have more then 24 hours uptime its a schudling conflict :P

[21:25:25]

Beirdo:

I've seen too many unpatched Solaris boxes in production ;)

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|Torg|:

they shutdown and nvram wakeup dailu

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** kormoc laughs **

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|Torg|:

Beirdo I have seen solaris boxes NEVER patched from the install

[21:25:48]

Beirdo:

if my boxes have more than 1 week uptime, it means that the power here didn't suck for once

[21:25:57]

Beirdo:

|Torg|, scary isn't it?

[21:26:04]

|Torg|:

running such non critical things as oracle 10g and the buesness warehouse

[21:26:08]

Beirdo:

the number of gaping security holes that leaves...

[21:26:12]

|Torg|:

scary as hell

[21:26:26]

Beirdo:

but to patch it would likely take a day or so

[21:26:27]

opello:

heh we had a solaris box with 800 some days of uptime

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|Torg|:

ive had a orable box I could buffer overflow the login buffer

[21:26:39]

Beirdo:

we had a Sol 2.5.1 box that hit 1300

[21:26:40]

Beirdo:

:)

[21:26:44]

opello:

nice

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Yikes... here's my current uptime — top – 16:26:28 up 22 days, 21:59

[21:26:47]

kormoc:

|Torg|, got an ip handy? :P

[21:27:01]

Beirdo:

yeah, it was cool. Then we decommissioned it, and replaced with Sol9

[21:27:04]

|Torg|:

its not like you want your bueness data to be like, I dunno, accessable?

[21:27:18]

|Torg|:

it realy dosnt need to be seucre, its just all your customers and there personal data

[21:27:39]

Beirdo:

hehe, sounds like a T-Mobile story almost

[21:27:48]

opello:

next time mine goes down it gets to be plugged into the ups :)

[21:28:04]

|Torg|:

ssh Beirdo we dont talk about customers here :P

[21:28:09]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Beirdo: You need to build your own UPS with a bunch of car batteries and a huge RV-style 2500W power inverter... ;-)

[21:28:16]

Beirdo:

I'd have to buy some UPSes first, but alas, it's not in the budget until I have a work permit

[21:28:28]

Beirdo:

screw that. Diesel generator :)

[21:28:48]

|Torg|:

get a windmill then

[21:28:49]

Beirdo:

the neighbors would LOVE me

[21:29:19]

onewheelskyward:

Has anyone built a server closet in an RV? Seems like a natural match — if natural disasters come your way, just drive it out of the path while running on the generator.

[21:29:46]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

The commercial UPS units we have here at work (Leibert) are always online — you're always running on the UPS. The AC power keeps the batteries charged...

[21:29:47]

Beirdo:

hehe, and put the mobile satellite internet setup on it

[21:29:52]

Beirdo:

it's only $9k to install

[21:30:06]

|Torg|:

I got a trailer with a 5K gasoline genrator, does that count?

[21:30:07]

Beirdo:

J-e-f-f-A|work, yeah, those are nice units.

[21:30:27]

onewheelskyward:

Only if your servers are mounted to something that rolls.

[21:30:29]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Beirdo: And that's just the dish itself, right?

[21:30:40]

Beirdo:

no, the dish and the gyro setup

[21:30:46]

Beirdo:

and the boxes, I think

[21:30:54]

onewheelskyward:

Right, it would have to be on a gyro to keep signal as you roll.

[21:30:56]

Beirdo:

I was daydreaming once and found it

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|Torg|:

yes buut they dont track while your moving

[21:31:39]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Beirdo: Yep, I've seen them advertised... The on-way one for just receiving is only about $5k...

[21:31:48]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

|Torg|: Yes they do!

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Beirdo:

|Torg|, the $9k one would track while moving

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|Torg|:

with two way locekd all the time?

[21:32:11]

Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

which is why the equipment was pricey

[21:32:23]

|Torg|:

hell I dont think my whole trailer is worth 9K :P

[21:32:36]

Beirdo:

but if I had a hugeass RV, I'd want it :)

[21:32:39]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Beirdo, |Torg| — and the 5k one is receive only — tracks while driving. That's why it's 5k!

[21:32:43]

Beirdo:

and the half-rack in the back

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kormoc:

|Torg|, millitary has had stuff that can do it for years, it's just moving down the chain slowly

[21:33:02]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Exactly.

[21:33:17]

|Torg|:

besides the whole Idea of the trailer is to take it on vacation where I dont have a cellphone, laptop, or computer :P

[21:33:25]

Beirdo:

It would be so sweet to have. Telecommute from an RV :)

[21:33:36]

opello:

roving noc?

[21:33:40]

Beirdo:

yup.

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Beirdo:

shit, firefox just died on me

[21:34:04]

Beirdo:

I hate you, firefox, stop doing that

[21:34:14]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

|Torg| – The last couple times I went on Vacation to the midwest, I took a tripod, a couple of dishes, and a sat receiver. Worked perfect!

[21:34:20]

|Torg|:

http://www.pplmotorhomes.com/parts/tv-antenna . . . atellite.htm

[21:34:22]

|Torg|:

hmm

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Beirdo:

and I think my fileserver paniced too

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|Torg|:

J-e-f-f-A last time I did that my wife had a fit

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|Torg|:

kids loved it, she didnt

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Beirdo:

gotta fix that machine

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jared555:

J-e-f-f-A, I have thought about making a custom UPS backup, problem is mainly converting a lot of ac to 12 volt (if you want dual conversion)

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|Torg|:

there is also the watts dont equal vollt amps too

[21:35:32]

jblack:

Is there a way to syncronize recorded shows on the filesystem with entries in the database?

[21:36:01]

|Torg|:

jblack you mean by throign video into the recordings directory?

[21:36:05]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

jared555: Just get one of the high-amp chargers that a garage uses... 40 amps should do it... ;-)

[21:36:06]

gbee:

contrib/rebuild ... something

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|Torg|:

if so put it in the video directorya nd watch them there

[21:37:17]

jared555:

heh, 40 amps of 12 volt wouldn't do anything, only ~400–600 watts, might work for just the server and/or main system, if I wanted to power everything it would be insane

[21:37:23]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

I had to do that when I lost my OS HDD a year ago (and thus my database...) Worked fine... ;-)

[21:37:45]

jared555:

7 computers and a server with 7 hard drives and unfortunately a fairly high end video card

[21:38:20]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

jared555: Well, you could use a bank of 12v car batteries with an RV 2500W inverter... and charge them with the big garage charger — you can probably even get a 100A charger... ;-)

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|Torg|:

use marine battaries tho

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jared555:

I doubt those chargers are able to run 24/7 are they? ;)

[21:39:12]

|Torg|:

car battaries are made from high ampaerage all at once, they suck at long term drain

[21:39:24]

|Torg|:

get marine battairs, and if you use gelcels ther elow maintinance (but cost more)

[21:40:01]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

jared555: Another thing to consider is just because the power supply manufacturer says it's a 500W supply, does not mean it's using 500W... That's usually the peak output, and would probably only come close to that on initial startup (spinning up the hdds)

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hardnova:

submarine batteries are best

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|Torg|:

and yes jared555 its posible to charge them 24/7 using a smart change that knows when to trickle and to full load

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Fony_Vaio:

uh oh, main frontend ran out of disk space. :-/

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jared555:

|Torg|, was talking about dual conversion/on-line/whatever other names there are for them

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|Torg|:

adn specifically UPSs are rates in VA not W

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Fony_Vaio: Frontend? or Backend?

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hardnova:

if you know somone in the navy you may be able to get some submarine batteries free

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jared555:

J-e-f-f-A, I know that (if that was the case I would be blowing fuses)

[21:41:07]

Fony_Vaio:

J-e-f-f-A|work: frontend only

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jared555:

lets put it this way, about half of the computer equipment can keep a 11 x 15 heated by an extra 12 degrees

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Fony_Vaio:

J-e-f-f-A|work: gives an error when starting X that /tmp can't be written to, and i checked the root partition, no space left.

[21:42:03]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

jared555: Yeah, I believe it... ;-)

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sn9:

Fony_Vaio: if you put recordings in the / partition, that's the backend that did that

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Fony_Vaio:

sn9: it's the frontend, though... i thought the recordings were stored on the backend??

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sn9:

that's what i'm saying; if the backend ran out of recording space in /, the frontend pukes

[21:43:39]

Fony_Vaio:

sn9: it can't be recordings.. i've recorded way way more than the 5GB of the root partition on this frontend rig.

[21:44:06]

sn9:

what else is in the recording partition?

[21:44:20]

Fony_Vaio:

sn9: no, backend is fine. there's lots of disk space left on all parts.

[21:44:36]

sn9:

if nothing, then you have some other runaway process, not myth-related

[21:44:39]

Fony_Vaio:

sn9: i have multiple pc's for backend / frontend.

[21:44:40]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

sn9: He's talking about a remote frontend that ran out of disk space.

[21:45:01]

jared555:

waiting on about 40GB of movies I just ripped off of my dvds to copy to the server

[21:45:01]

Fony_Vaio:

J-e-f-f-A|work: exactly.

[21:45:26]

jared555:

for some reason it is only transferring at around 110mbit right now

[21:45:31]

Fony_Vaio:

is there any easy way to track down what ate all the disk space?

[21:45:48]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

jared555: I copied 738GB of recordings from my 'old' backend to my 'new' backend a couple of days ago — took ~8 hrs on 100mb link...

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jared555:

fun

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onewheelskyward:

Fony_Vaio: du -h

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jared555:

any ideas why a gigabit link would run at around 100mbit for a minute or two, jump up to 300–400mbit for a minute or two, go back to 100mbit, and so on?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

jared555: I probably should have just thrown a firewire card in my old box — That would have worked, right? And would have been theoretically 4x faster...

[21:47:50]

sn9:

Fony_Vaio: sudo find / -size +1G

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jblack:

|torg| Sorry. I mean that recorded tv shows have been removed from the database, but not from the frilesystem.

[21:48:07]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

jared555: Other than poor cables, or the switch doing funny things, not off the top of my head...

[21:48:07]

jared555:

J-e-f-f-A, that or used a a couple cheap gigabit nics

[21:48:22]

jared555:

windows <> linux by the way

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|Torg|:

umm J-e-f-f-A I had to use a calculator but that is about 4x as long as it shoudl have teaken, what else was going on?

[21:48:54]

Fony_Vaio:

wow

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

jared555: Yeah, I could have done that too. I forgot to mention that was also while the backend was streaming video to two remote frontends... so that was a contributiong factor too...

[21:49:04]

Fony_Vaio:

thanks sn9 && onewheelskyward

[21:49:24]

jared555:

now it is transferring at 10–100mbit....

[21:49:38]

Fony_Vaio:

-rw------- 1 mythtv mythtv 2902224896 Feb 6 21:37 .xsession-errors

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jared555:

I have a feeling it is this switch

[21:49:42]

Fony_Vaio:

ouch

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

|Torg| Plus the old backend is only a Dual PIII 800 w/512mb ram...

[21:50:12]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

jared555: Perhaps you could just use a crossover cable between them?

[21:50:19]

|Torg|:

I think it has more to do with drives then CPU, but it sorta depends on what you used to transfer them

[21:50:22]

jared555:

don't have one unfortunately

[21:50:59]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

|Torg| : I just mounted the directory via NFS and use 'cp' ...

[21:51:03]

|Torg|:

I would have slaved the old drive and cpio'd the data

[21:51:06]

jared555:

if I did I could hook 3 other computers directly to it and run the rest off of the switch

[21:51:07]

|Torg|:

AHHHH

[21:51:10]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

jared555: Do you have a crimper?

[21:51:15]

sn9:

Fony_Vaio: rename that file, make a new symlink with the old name to /dev/null, log out and back in, and delete the huge sucker

[21:51:25]

Beirdo:

|Torg|, rsync works great locally too

[21:51:25]

|Torg|:

Not For Speed + Crappy Protection

[21:51:27]

jared555:

don't have anything to make network cables

[21:52:02]

** Beirdo finishes rsyncing 30G of data between filesystems... again **

[21:52:28]

|Torg|:

yes Beirdo I dont usualy get that sophiticated tho

[21:52:31]

jblack:

|Torg|: Sorry for missing your answer. What I actually meant was that I have recorded TV shows still on the filesystem that have been removed from the database, as a side effect from not realizing the filesystem was mounted.

[21:52:36]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

jared555: You *might* be able to make it work by forcing the network cards to 1000mb/full duplex — Perhaps the switch is autodetecting them wrong.

[21:52:41]

|Torg|:

its not like I want to set it up to do it again, its a one time deal

[21:52:55]

Beirdo:

rsync isn't more sophisticated than cpio

[21:53:21]

jared555:

lemme check the interface on the switch

[21:53:28]

|Torg|:

yes jblack unless you want to rebuilt the recorded table by hand, take the video files (presumably al the .mpg) and copy/mount/transver them to your video directroy

[21:53:59]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

|Torg| – (re: slave)... I might have, but it's a LVM – 4x 200GB drives, and I didn't want to bring down the old backend yet.

[21:53:59]

|Torg|:

ok Beirdo more complex maybe?

[21:54:05]

Beirdo:

not really

[21:54:14]

jblack:

I have something like 300 TV shows. :|

[21:54:16]

Beirdo:

rsync -av original/ copy/

[21:54:19]

jared555:

crap, I think I might know the problem....

[21:54:20]

Beirdo:

then wait :)

[21:54:43]

jblack:

I'd hate to move all of them just to find the 4 or 5 I told to delete while the filesystem wasn't mounted.

[21:54:46]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

jared555: Are you using either Cat 5e or Cat 6 cables on your gigabit links?

[21:54:50]

jared555:

using the drivers labeled as nforce 100mbit in the kernel...

[21:54:52]

|Torg|:

ok well I know find . -deth -print | cpio -pdl <dir> by heart :P

[21:54:59]

|Torg|:

I cant say that about rsynch

[21:55:08]

jared555:

I know the server's is cat5e, not sure about the workstation

[21:55:11]

|Torg|:

err depth

[21:55:23]

|Torg|:

not if I type it I guess

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[21:55:42]

justinh:

guess who's putting ubunut in the bin this weekend?

[21:55:47]

onewheelskyward:

rsync is nice because it resumes.

[21:55:52]

Beirdo:

yup

[21:55:55]

immolo:

justinh- you?

[21:55:59]

justinh:

yup

[21:56:07]

sn9:

6.10 belongs in the bin

[21:56:11]

immolo:

what you switching to?

[21:56:27]

** immolo uses the moment to plug gentoo :P **

[21:56:30]

justinh:

bunch of recordings of '24' from my cable box are screwed.. infact all my pvr150 recordings made recently are, all of a sudden

[21:57:26]

|Torg|:

welcome to my world my recording of Heroes last night is screwed becas teh damn svn code gets stuck on PMT

[21:57:46]

justinh:

worked great for oooooh let's see.. a month and now it's screwing up

[21:58:01]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh: Yuck. :-(

[21:58:02]

pepin:

gentoo suxx too

[21:58:04]

justinh:

macroblocks & jumps all over the place

[21:58:05]

pepin:

ubuntu!

[21:58:08]

onewheelskyward:

immolo: I just threw gentoo in the bin. :)

[21:58:22]

sn9:

pepin: all OSes suck

[21:58:28]

|Torg|:

justinh try a 1hr1min recoring of 0 bytes

[21:58:33]

justinh:

oops

[21:58:35]

Beirdo:

sn9, but not as much as Windows

[21:58:40]

immolo:

onewheelskyward- I would smack you but at least you are not using windows :P

[21:59:07]

justinh:

might yet prove to be the crappy cable box though, so I'll keep a semi-open mind about it

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pepin:

sn9: yeah, true h4x0rs run boot-from-bios shells :P

[21:59:34]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh: Via Analog cable? Maybe they boosted their signal and it's overdriving the card or something?

[21:59:46]

onewheelskyward:

immolo: Don't smack me, smack the stable emerge stream. I got burned too many times.

[21:59:49]

sn9:

Beirdo: yeah, compared to windows suckage, all else actually blows

[21:59:51]

justinh:

digital cable, going into the pvr150 via svideo

[22:00:03]

pepin:

floopydisk u-kernels

[22:00:12]

immolo:

onewheelskyward- don't see how my server has been running 2 years now

[22:00:27]

immolo:

and by running I mean last install

[22:00:30]

justinh:

only portage gave me trouble on gentoo

[22:00:36]

Beirdo:

ooooh 4G available on the LVM for the moment while I shift data to smaller filesystems

[22:00:39]

Beirdo:

hehe

[22:00:41]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh: Might be your box, or the source then... I get that once-in-a-blue-moon on my sat receiver if there's a very,very heavy storm and a weak signal...

[22:01:02]

justinh:

could be my frontend... I'll check the recording here

[22:01:56]

immolo:

plus nowadays I only update for secuity fixes so portage never breaks anything

[22:01:57]

pepin:

yeah.. check your box

[22:02:03]

Beirdo:

jeez, the neighborhood teens are being dumbasses tonight. is it full moon?

[22:02:08]

pepin:

if not, I'm sure someone else will check your box

[22:02:16]

immolo:

and revdep-rebuild fixes anything that breaks anyway

[22:02:41]

** Beirdo avoids the ObGyn joke about checking the box **

[22:03:04]

** pepin breaks out the speculum to open that subject wide **

[22:03:12]

Beirdo:

anyways....

[22:03:13]

|Torg|:

Beirdo full moon was a few days ago

[22:03:29]

Beirdo:

hmmm, well these kids don't realize it, i guess

[22:03:43]

justinh:

nah thre recordings are gash :(

[22:03:48]

pepin:

well, its not like anyone here is actually helpful.. its more of a #teenchat where ppl also commonly run myth...

[22:03:50]

|Torg|:

I thnk there just kids, a bb gun with rocksalt usually does the trick

[22:03:51]

pepin:

exciting

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Beirdo:

bye, pepin.

[22:05:07]

justinh:

what's with all the misanthropy lately?

[22:05:18]

Beirdo:

hmm?

[22:05:27]

justinh:

"help me now!"

[22:05:27]

sn9:

maybe some gears can be switched: i'm trying to do this: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/103464

[22:05:34]

justinh:

then "ah you guys suck, see ya"

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[22:06:00]

sn9:

i'm running into several probs in the process

[22:06:05]

Beirdo:

"you guys didn't answer my unasked question, screw you guys"

[22:06:30]

sn9:

Beirdo: that's why i'm actually asking

[22:06:31]

|Torg|:

my mythcoffee plugin stoped working afer I went out to eat last night

[22:06:33]

Beirdo:

hehe :)

[22:06:41]

Beirdo:

sn9, you are trying to record from VCR?

[22:06:49]

|Torg|:

my myth crashed last night, why?

[22:06:56]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Beirdo: re: pepin ... rotfl! ;-)

[22:07:08]

sn9:

camcorder actually, but i'm testing with a dvd player first

[22:07:13]

Beirdo:

once you have the "source" setup with no video source... I'd suggest scheduling a manual recording

[22:07:18]

Beirdo:

so you get some title stuff

[22:07:24]

justinh:

I could always try upgrading ivtv, but this damn thing used to work

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sn9:

Beirdo: yeah, i'm having trouble with that

[22:07:55]

Beirdo:

let me continue reading, I guess

[22:08:46]

sn9:

Beirdo: currently, when i go to Delete Recordings, it says "no recordings available" but that 12% capacity is being used

[22:08:49]

justinh:

maybe this is down to me recording 2 other shows at the same time as 24 from dvb cards

[22:09:07]

sn9:

and that's just the tip of the iceberg

[22:09:09]

justinh:

but damnit that worked fine before too, I'm sure.. well I know for a fact it did on gentoo

[22:09:13]

Beirdo:

dunno

[22:09:15]

Beirdo:

hmm

[22:09:19]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

sn9: Did you watch any "Live TV" ?

[22:09:34]

sn9:

J-e-f-f-A|work: yes, tried to record it, too

[22:10:15]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

sn9: Then it's probably the LiveTV buffers. They'll get cleaned up automatically either when you need the space, or I think, when they're a day old.

[22:10:47]

sn9:

J-e-f-f-A|work: but where did the actual recordings go, then?

[22:10:51]

justinh:

wait a fscking minute. by default ubunut uses preemptive kernel thing doesn't it? which can cause nasty things with ivtv

[22:10:55]

|Torg|:

they go away after a few hours on my system, but yes they get deleted automaticly

[22:10:56]

sn9:

there were a couple

[22:11:13]

sn9:

justinh: depends which version

[22:11:20]

justinh:

sn9: dapper

[22:11:25]

|Torg|:

justinh o you mean premtive threads?

[22:11:39]

sn9:

i don't think it's default on dapper

[22:11:45]

justinh:

hrm

[22:11:56]

|Torg|:

I belive its only a problem in SMP

[22:12:46]

justinh:

ah

[22:13:06]

justinh:

got a recording since then with perfect video but the audio is monged

[22:13:09]

justinh:

arghhH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[22:13:09]

sn9:

J-e-f-f-A|work: that's what i would have expected, but when i hit R in livetv, it showed recording ""

[22:13:25]

Beirdo:

argh, where'd the screw go that holds in this laptop drive?!

[22:13:36]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

sn9: Ok, so it's 'null' instead of 'unknown'...

[22:13:43]

justinh:

oh wait I tell a lie – the video is also screwed

[22:13:46]

|Torg|:

Beirdo its next to the jumper from mine

[22:13:51]

Beirdo:

it must be

[22:13:54]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Beirdo: Check the floor... ;-) A magnet usually helps too — but keep it away from the hdd!

[22:13:57]

sn9:

it says "unknown" if i schedule a recording

[22:13:59]

** justinh smacks ubunut diaper **

[22:14:12]

Beirdo:

check the puppy's stomach too

[22:14:24]

Beirdo:

stupid little canine vacuum cleaner

[22:14:34]

|Torg|:

my dogs LOVe to eat small screws

[22:14:48]

stuarta:

that's puppies for you...

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[22:15:39]

** justinh smacks ubuntu again, harder **

[22:16:58]

justinh:

this is so fucking frustrating. you install, you test, you thrash it for a while. you satisfy yourself it all works great. you reboot a few times & discover udev is swapping video nodes over from time to time. you fix that & test again... now you're happy. you stay happy for about a month then the piece of steaming shit lets you down

[22:17:31]

GreyFoxx:

udev againb or something different ?

[22:17:44]

justinh:

now this is so stupid because I KNOW software can't just 'go bad', so WTF?!

[22:18:27]

opello:

but blocks can become corrupt

[22:18:35]

sn9:

J-e-f-f-A|work: how big (in minutes) is the livetv ringbuffer?

[22:18:36]

justinh:

no idea. seems to be whenever I make a dvb recording at the same time as the pvr150 is being used, it turns to poo

[22:18:56]

GreyFoxx:

weird

[22:18:57]

justinh:

I thought I'd fixed the 'V' audio problem last week as well

[22:20:29]

GreyFoxx:

I had a few problems with any ivtv recordings for almost 2 weeks

[22:20:42]

GreyFoxx:

changed kernels and so far not one glitch

[22:20:43]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

sn9: I think it's as big as each program – it gets split at the program changes iirc. And if there's no schedule, I think I remember hearing that it's every 30 mins — at :00 and at :30 ...

[22:21:29]

sn9:

J-e-f-f-A|work: ok. is livetv the only way to store footage and change inputs while recording?

[22:21:33]

justinh:

what bugs me most is that this was working just fine, no complaints what so ever, and now suddenly this

[22:21:53]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

sn9: So if you tuned your system to 'fox' and watched the simpsons and some other show, they'd each be a recording....

[22:22:42]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

sn9: To tell you the truth, Myth isn't designed to do that. It's designed to be a PVR run by a schedule. You're better off importing it to Linux with another recording utility, then importing them to myth as videos.

[22:23:10]

sn9:

J-e-f-f-A|work: there are reasons i want myth to do the recording

[22:23:42]

justinh:

might end up selling my pvr150 card & replace it with a couple of dvb-t tuners & aerial amp

[22:23:47]

sn9:

but i have not yet ruled out vlc

[22:24:02]

justinh:

I can wait til 24 comes out on dvd or shown on $ky Three

[22:24:17]

Widget:

hey guys

[22:24:21]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

sn9: I'm sure there are, but the way it works now, it's not very feasible. Sure, you can hit "R" to start recording, and "R" to stop recording, but if it spans the 'program' barrier, you come up with two seperate files, and perhaps a few second gap in-between...

[22:24:30]

sn9:

of course, vlc isn't designed for that, either

[22:25:02]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh: You can view 24 online now... At least with a winblows box... The plugin probably doesn't work with linux... :-(

[22:25:15]

|Torg|:

justinh can you get netflix there?

[22:25:26]

gbee:

no

[22:25:52]

gbee:

there are online dvd rentals places, but not netflix

[22:26:03]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

sn9: Actually, I think it would *stop* recording when it hit the 'program' barrier... Just like if you tuned to 'the simpsons' and pressed "R", it would stop when the episode was over.

[22:26:06]

justinh:

I like sitting in a big comfy chair in my livingroom to watch tv

[22:26:10]

sn9:

J-e-f-f-A|work: scheduling is fine. the reason i was thinking livetv was that i can't seem to switch inputs at will during recording, and i wanted to feed the live feed to client boxes as it's being recorded

[22:26:16]

Widget:

there was the confusingly named webflix, but they've been bought out now

[22:26:29]

justinh:

anyway just confirmed the pvr card is only producing shite when my dvb tuners are in use

[22:26:57]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

sn9: So you want to watch the same LiveTV feed on two frontends at once?

[22:27:07]

justinh:

the streams are so crap even vlc struggles to play them :(

[22:27:15]

sn9:

and record at the same time

[22:27:44]

sn9:

and be able to switch which input is the source at any given time

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

sn9: Ok, so I think I understand — You need to schedule the program to be recorded. Then you don't watch "LiveTV" on the frontends — you go to the Recordings screen and watch it as it's recording.

[22:28:20]

onewheelskyward:

That's a heck of a lot of cpu minutes for a simple text editor.

[22:28:34]

justinh:

root 1582 1 91 Feb04 ? 2–14:34:33 nano video-ui.xml

[22:28:59]

|Torg|:

dump nano use vi

[22:29:10]

justinh:

easy for you to say

[22:29:26]

|Torg|:

esp since I dont know how to use nano and I do know how to use vi

[22:29:31]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

sn9: It will show up red on the recorings screen indicating that it's currently recording. It will still let you watch it. Then to switch to another show, back out to the recordings page and select another recording. Is that what you want?

[22:29:59]

justinh:

I used to be a whiz with vi but that was like 15 years ago

[22:30:08]

justinh:

old dog ;)

[22:30:12]

|Torg|:

its not that hard to learn

[22:30:20]

|Torg|:

and its on every unix box I have ever seen

[22:30:28]

sn9:

J-e-f-f-A|work: close enough, as long as inputs can be switched on the fly

[22:30:39]

justinh:

I do know how to do simple editing in it but find it a PITA

[22:31:18]

onewheelskyward:

emacs is a good option, too.

[22:31:44]

justinh:

pleh!

[22:31:49]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

sn9: Well, they can't be switched 'on the fly' as simple as hitting the 'previous channel' button on the remote, but you can exit the recording your watching (and save the location), then switch to another one, then go back to the 1st one. (But there's only one 'bookmark' per recording iirc, so if another frontend exits and saves the location, it will overwrite the 1st one...)

[22:31:49]

|Torg|:

i/I, o/O, a/A, :map, :/s/thing/newthing/g, y, p and .

[22:31:52]

onewheelskyward:

hehe

[22:31:58]

|Torg|:

there you go vi in about 8 commands

[22:32:13]

justinh:

now I can be elitist with the rest of em, but I refuse to use such tools

[22:32:19]

onewheelskyward:

You forgot the arrow keys. Depending on the system they're fblk.

[22:32:29]

|Torg|:

its not elitism its simplicity

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onewheelskyward:

Oh wait, fb is page up page down.

[22:32:37]

Widget:

I was impressed at work – they prefer you to only use prepackaged software by the IT guys – and a few months back, they packaged up most of cygwin, so we can use xemacs

[22:32:40]

justinh:

yea that's why I use nano

[22:32:41]

Widget:

shame there's no vim

[22:32:42]

justinh:

anyway

[22:32:47]

|Torg|:

I can open an xml file, replace every instance of an object, save an cose it before nana even has it up

[22:32:50]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

sn9: I've gotta go.. .I didn't realize what time it is .. I'm late! Drop me a PM to J-e-f-f-A (the non- |work nick) if you'll like, and I'll look at it tonight in about 5 hrs...

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justinh:

there goes another bubble burst – I might've thought that process wouldn't have hung around using almost all my available cpu but hey

[22:34:05]

Widget:

how do I debug what settings go out to mencoder for transcoding?

[22:34:25]

Widget:

my transcoding seems to be not setting the video bitrate properly, but I don't know how to check

[22:34:29]

justinh:

anyway I'm going to bed in the vain hope I'll awake in a slightly better mood

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degreseven:

perl is using up around 80% cpu on my mythbox, any idea why?

[22:35:47]

|Torg|:

do you have perl scripts running?

[22:35:57]

Widget:

degreseven: can you get the cmd line used with perl with ps aux | grep perl?

[22:36:15]

onewheelskyward:

make that ps auxww so you can see the full command.

[22:36:28]

** Widget notes down the ww **

[22:36:28]

sn9:

ps awwfux

[22:36:39]

|Torg|:

I suspect his problem is is perl mods

[22:36:48]

degreseven:

Widget, actually i dont get anything from that =/

[22:37:08]

|Torg|:

degreseven did you compile myth on your own?

[22:37:21]

degreseven:

no, i emerged it (using gentoo)

[22:37:31]

degreseven:

so, maybe yes... lol

[22:37:45]

degreseven:

the emerge compiled it

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|Torg|:

do you have the source?

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degreseven:

yeah

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|Torg|:

go into it and type ./configure --previous

[22:39:00]

|Torg|:

look for bindings_perl is it on?

[22:39:08]

|Torg|:

i.e. does it say yes

[22:39:10]

heanol:

i'm trying to run the backend and frontend on seperate machines

[22:39:17]

heanol:

i've gotten the backend working and running

[22:39:34]

heanol:

and installed the frontend, but i can't find where to set what address the backend has

[22:39:44]

heanol:

i've found the mysql-settings

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Widget:

heanol: ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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|Torg|:

heanol its in the database, you can change it with mythtv-setup its the first screen on the general tab

[22:40:18]

heanol:

ah ok

[22:40:46]

Widget:

degreseven: or you can look for the perl USE flag

[22:41:04]

|Torg|:

ok degreseven type ./confgure --prvious --without-bindings=perl

[22:41:06]

|Torg|:

then recompile it

[22:41:15]

|Torg|:

err --previous

[22:41:17]

|Torg|:

soryy

[22:41:24]

degreseven:

yeah, perl use flag is on

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|Torg|:

afaik its to controll myth thought perl scripts, since I doubt you do that, its not needed

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degreseven:

won't affect any plugins like mythweb?

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Widget:

i'm guessing nobody's debugged mythtranscode settings here before then?

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|Torg|:

just one more reason why you should not get your myth from a reposotiry

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Widget:

degreseven: that connects via sql

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|Torg|:

degreseven not even in the slightest

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degreseven:

ok, ill give that a shot then. thanks for the help

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|Torg|:

Widget I dont transcode, sorry

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Widget:

|Torg|: i should have asked justin before he left :)

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immolo:

if I want to run a command from user job that requires the the file name and title I would use %FILE% and %TITLE%?

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sn9:

<whiny luser in over his head>is there anyone here who can further elaborate on the stuff J-e-f-f-A was saying?</whiny luser>

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Widget:

sn9: wasn't following what you were chatting about

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|Torg|:

I bleive he said he was going home

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sn9:

|Torg|: before that, of course

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|Torg|:

what were yuo talking about before that?

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hads:

Watching LiveTV from two frontends?

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sn9:

[14:32:05] <J-e-f-f-A|work> sn9: Well, they can't be switched 'on the fly' as simple as hitting the 'previous channel' button on the remote, but you can exit the recording your watching (and save the location), then switch to another one, then go back to the 1st one. (But there's only one 'bookmark' per recording iirc, so if another frontend exits and saves the location, it will overwrite the 1st one...)

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hads:

and?

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heanol:

i have an nvidia-card, using the propiertary drivers.. is there anything i need to turn on to get it to accelarate mythtv?

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Widget:

i can watch livetv from two frontends here, because i have two tuners. i presume you mean with one?

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|Torg|:

yes heanol go look up xvmc

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Widget:

heanol: standard xvmc is the option for tv playback in mythtv settings

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heanol:

ok

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heanol:

i have a pentium iii 600Mhz as a frontend and it's using 70% cpu to watch livetv, seems a little much :)

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|Torg|:

depends on what you watching

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onewheelskyward:

Not for software MPEG-2 playback.

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** kormoc blinks **

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sn9:

sheduling a recording, watching on two frontends while recording, and switching inputs, like with the C key, in the middle of the recording

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kormoc:

heanol, you might fall over dead at how much HD takes

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jrr:

reality TV kills your cpu

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jrr:

jeopardy's okay, though

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sn9:

jeopardy is not reality tv

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Widget:

heanol: i was using a 1.3GHz duron, and it was never entirely happy

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onewheelskyward:

It used to be. :)

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hads:

Can't say I've tried to switch inputs while watching a recording.

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sn9:

hads: not just while watchinbg, but while recording

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heanol:

well, it's a stop-gap solution ;)

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|Torg|:

kormoc its not that bad a dual core p4 2.6 ghz and a nvidi 6600 with xvmc only takes about 30% for X on one core and 50% for myth on the other :P

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kormoc:

|Torg|, that's only 12 p3 600 mhz processors or so :P

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|Torg|:

hey without xvmc I can get it to overrun one core easily :)

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|Torg|:

esp if im wathing a football recording (thats american football btw)

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heanol:

what gives the best tv-out quality, composite or svideo? nvidia..

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hads:

S-video

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heanol:

oh ok :)

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sn9:

heanol: hdmi > dvi > component > s-video > composite > RF

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Widget:

although annoyingly my tv doesn't detect s-video so I have to manually change to it every time I turn the tv on

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|Torg|:

dvi->hdmi rocks!

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hads:

Well put

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Widget:

i wonder if there's a s-video to scart convertor that will turn the signal-present line on

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hads:

sn9: I don't think I get what you are trying to acheive

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|Torg|:

HDMI=DVI > Component >>>>>>>>>> s-video > composite >>>>> RF

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sn9:

|Torg|: it does. "hdmi > dvi" is solely a convenience issue

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jrr:

i think dvi actually has more bandwidth

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|Torg|:

yes sn9 its a what is output by the card vs what is input to the tv

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|Torg|:

actually not jrr

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|Torg|:

at least not in practice

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|Torg|:

the only differnce is HDMI carries audio as well

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jrr:

ah good point

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jrr:

but it also has the stinky taint of hdcp

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|Torg|:

the picture is supurb

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jrr:

i, too, use a dvi->hdmi plug

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|Torg|:

its better then the dvd player with composite imput br far

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jrr:

but i'm a bit bitter about hdmi – http://johnruble.net/index.php?q=gallery&g2_itemId=1331

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|Torg|:

and at 1080I from the ATSC is better then cable or sattelite

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hjohnson:

jrr: what about it?

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Widget:

don't suppose anyone knows what prog mythtv uses for its mpeg4 transcoding?

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hjohnson:

yeah, was talking to the broadcast engineers from the local tv station a few days ago..

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hjohnson:

their digital ttransmission is 18megabits/s for HDTV

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hjohnson:

satellite is about 8Megabit for HD, cable is 3 to 4.

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sn9:

Widget: the ffmpeg libs linked statically

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hjohnson:

(note that your average DVD is 6Megabit MPEG2)

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hjohnson:

jrr: yeah.

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Widget:

sn9: statically? hmm, that would explain something

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hjohnson:

jrr: though you can use an HDCP display with a non-HDCP source.. just not the ohter way around.

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hjohnson:

that's the only thing that bugs me about something like the Apple Cinema Display HD..

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jrr:

click my link?

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Widget:

night ppl

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jrr:

the motorola 6412 doesn't support hdcp repeating, which is antagonizing me atm

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|Torg|:

jrr what do you have that used hdcp?

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jrr:

cable box

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|Torg|:

comcast?

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jrr:

insight

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sn9:

hads: you know what the C key does in myth, right?

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|Torg|:

tell them you want a differnt cable box

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|Torg|:

tell them it is incompatable with your TV

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jrr:

i already talked to them about it, and they're deploying a firmware fix in a month or two

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|Torg|:

are they giving you a month or two of service credit?

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jrr:

i would expect them to if i were unable to use cable

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|Torg|:

show them that screenshot and tell them you want credit

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jrr:

i might just do that

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|Torg|:

do you use the firewire on it?

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jrr:

not yet; after i (eventually) build an HTPC i will

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jrr:

i haven't checked on the use of 5C yet on the channels, though

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heanol:

what the..

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heanol:

is 6600 alot better than 6200?

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|Torg|:

hope and pry your cable company isnt as big of pricks as comcast is

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|Torg|:

for 3d grapihcs yes

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|Torg|:

for xvmc not even measurable

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|Torg|:

a 5000 series would work

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heanol:

hehe ok

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hads:

sn9: Yes

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sn9:

well, i wanted to do that at will during a scheduled recording

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sn9:

but it only works in livetv, and only when not recording livetv except to the ringbuffer

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|Torg|:

heanol im osrry I confuse my workstiaon with my FE sometimes, the FE has a FX 5900 Ultra in it

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|Torg|:

played HDTV just fine

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hads:

sn9: I see.

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hads:

So, basically, you can't.

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sn9:

hads: any idea?

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hads:

sn9: Nope sorry.

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sn9:

is there any way to have the backend serve up a stream for vlc and not just the frontend?

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cesman:

mythstreamtv

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kormoc:

sn9, if you're on the backend, why have the backend offer it at all? just stream from the drive

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hjohnson:

hmm..

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sn9:

kormoc: using what?

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** hjohnson looks at myth2ipod **

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|Torg|:

samba, nfs

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kormoc:

hjohnson, nuvexport does that as well

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hjohnson:

kormoc: yeah, but it'd be sweet to have it just work over the front-end

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hjohnson:

of cours,e I don't have a video ipod

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fribuntu:

Hi all.

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fribuntu:

Maybe someone can help me here.

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fribuntu:

I have a Hauppauge PVR350 TV card. I am having a hard time trying to use it under Linux.

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fribuntu:

I don't really want to tape anything, just want to be able to watch TV live on my Linux box.

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fribuntu:

I can find heaps of instructions on how to connect and use that card with SVideo out on a TV set.

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fribuntu:

But none on how to use it on my linux box and TFT. I do not even own a TV set.

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doc-:

uh...

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sn9:

if you just want to watch live tv, the 350 is ridiculous overkill

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doc-:

does anyone has configured a nfs server ?

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fribuntu:

I have set up the card, I can "watch" tv by using cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test_capture.mpg and then watch that file with xine or mplayer.

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sn9:

kormoc: so nuvexport can stream?

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cesman:

no, it cannot

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fribuntu:

sn9: Well, I got it cheap. It seems to be no overkill, since I simply cannot watch any TV with it. I wish I had one of those cheapo cards that just work *sigh*

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cesman:

fribuntu: how about tell us what problem you are having?

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sn9:

fribuntu: mplayer can use /dev/video0 as input, and even change channels for you

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cesman:

or what question you hae?

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fribuntu:

sn9: I am trying to find an application that enables me to watch live TV in windowed mode on my Linux box.

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fribuntu:

Can mythTV do that?

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sn9:

mplayer again

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fribuntu:

I can only use it to watch "indirectly" via cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test_capture.mpg

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sn9:

then you should figure out mplayer, or use xawtv

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fribuntu:

that is ... not a very nice solution. Especially considering that I have to punch in a couple of nasty ivtv commands to change the channel.

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fribuntu:

cesman: thanks!

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cesman:

opps

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sn9:

mplayer and xawtv should both change channels for you

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cesman:

too soon

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hardnova:

can i manualy scan for the correct station tuning ?

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fribuntu:

cesman: bummer ... "The ivtv driver supports cards that provide high quality MPEG2 encoded video. This cards are ideal for PVR systems. However, tvtime has no MPEG2 decoding capabilities or audio playback code, and therefore cannot be used to watch live TV from these cards."

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fribuntu:

cesman: So I am stuck, because my card has MPEG2 output? That is so ... frustrating.

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sn9:

fribuntu: isn't there a way to switch the card into non-mpeg mode?

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fribuntu:

sn9: not that I know of, no.

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sn9:

i find that hard to believe, but i know the 350 also has a built-in decoder you could use

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cesman:

fribuntu: mythtv is meant to be used as a pvr, while it will do what you want, it sounds like you need to find something else

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fribuntu:

sn9: Well, I have been googling till I had blisters on my fingertips. I could not find that.

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fribuntu:

cesman: Yeah, mythTV would be the total overkill :)

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cesman:

I'd suggest spending some time on freshmeat.net

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sn9:

cesman: if nuvexport cannot stream, then what did kormoc mean by "streaming from the drive" ?

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cesman:

he answered...

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sn9:

fribuntu: it's in the myth manual, of all places

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cesman:

nfs or smb

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sn9:

cesman: that doesn't answer the question

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fribuntu:

my question is: can mythTV use my digital TFT as output or am I stuck to svideo out on my PVR card?

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cesman:

yes it does

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cesman:

fribuntu: mythtv doesn't care about your output

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cesman:

how you output is put to you

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hads:

Whatever X can output to

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cesman:

tft, project, HDTV, etv....

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|Torg|:

you mount the drives on a box like you do any other drive

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cesman:

simply share it and use vlc on your other system(s)

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|Torg|:

windoze users think its called mounting a network share

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|Torg|:

then you play the files with whatever player you feal like

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sn9:

cesman: how is that anything like streaming where vlc is concerned?

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|Torg|:

its a file, reads like a file, acts like a file

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sn9:

i know that, but a file that isn't finished recording is still a .nuv

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|Torg|:

so let it finish

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heanol:

smells like a file

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sn9:

that's not streaming, though

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cesman:

sn9: I'm not going to get in a conversation about the meaning of "streaming"

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|Torg|:

what is then?

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