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Monday, February 5th, 2007, 00:01 UTC
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[00:02:35] clever: tons of errors and warnings
[00:02:40] QuesarVII: ante – cd to programs/mythtv first
[00:03:05] ante001: same error
[00:03:22] QuesarVII: and you have the -ldvb there?
[00:03:35] ante001: ../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.20.so: undefined reference to `DiSEqCDevTree::Execute(DiSEqCDevSettings const&, DVBTuning const&)'
[00:03:37] ante001: ../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.20.so: undefined reference to `DiSEqCDevLNB::GetIntermediateFrequency(DiSEqCDevSettings const&, DVBTuning const&) const'
[00:03:39] ante001: ../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.20.so: undefined reference to `TransportScanItem::TransportScanItem(int, QString const&, QString const&, DVBTuning&, unsigned int)'
[00:03:40] ante001: collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[00:03:52] clever: i need some sleep
[00:04:50] QuesarVII: try this version instead- "svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0- . . . mythtv"
[00:05:58] ante001: will do
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[00:30:20] hardnova: ok thats working nice hmmm now to send the name of the game to the VFD :)
[00:32:36] hardnova: _> UAE provides an AREXX port through which you can set or retrieve
[00:32:36] hardnova: internal parameters
[00:32:51] hardnova: anyone know how to send to that port ?
[00:36:59] Zyxus: tore2/2023_20060505190000.mpg.png
[00:37:10] Zyxus: Summary:
[00:37:15] Zyxus: 231 valid recordings, 21 missing recordings not fixed, check above is valid a
[00:37:17] Zyxus: File zcheck not changed so no update needed
[00:37:19] Zyxus: 19:00 DFI-1>>store2/2023_20060505190000.mpg.png
[00:37:21] Zyxus: zsh: no such file or directory: store2/2023_20060505190000.mpg.png
[00:37:32] kormoc: Zyxus, please don't flood the channel, use a pastebin for any pastes longer then 3 lines
[00:37:32] Zyxus: zsh: no matches found: [6.3MB]:
[00:38:03] hardnova: Zyxus heard of pastebin ?
[00:39:00] ante001: LOL
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[00:43:24] durin42: is there a decent way to have the commercial tagging do the superbowl backwards so I end up with all the ads and none of the game?
[00:45:44] kormoc: durin42, no
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[00:47:54] durin42: hm, bummer. I guess I'll hack together a script to invert the commflagging then or something in the database.
[00:47:58] durin42: thanks
[00:47:59] bma: Cna't you invert the cut list?
[00:48:02] bma: and then transcode?
[00:48:17] durin42: is there a way to dump the commflagging into a cutlist directly?
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[00:48:38] hads: May I ask why you want all the commercials?
[00:48:48] kormoc: durin42, e x e when watching the recording
[00:48:55] kormoc: durin42, erm, e z e
[00:48:56] bma: durin42: er, yea, mythcommflag --getcutlist
[00:49:07] durin42: kormoc: awesome, thanks
[00:49:17] bma: or what he said.
[00:49:20] durin42: hads: superbowl commercials are in general amazingly entertaining and high quality
[00:49:22] kormoc: hads, the super bowl is 'known' to have funny ads
[00:49:33] bma: durin42: "in general"... not so much this year so far.
[00:49:49] durin42: bma: yeah, but there have been a couple of decen ones already
[00:49:59] hads: I see. I'm watching it now but didn't realise that the commercials were that saught after.
[00:50:28] bma: there's enough sites that host them after the game, that I dn't much see the point of doing it yourself.
[00:52:06] bma: the most hilarious thing about the superbowl this year to me is the people who paid thousands of dollars to sit and get drenched in the rain.
[00:52:08] durin42: bma: I'm a lazy man on a slow internet connection
[00:52:10] bma: :)
[00:52:14] durin42: yeah, that's quality
[00:52:24] durin42: anywho, I'm off now that my dilemma is solved for the moment
[00:52:30] durin42: thanks again
[00:52:35] ** bma watches on his nice HD.. it's like I'm almost there, but I'm dry! **
[01:00:27] imperfect-: Hey
[01:00:44] imperfect-: anyone know what I need to do to get the uPNP server to share my list of media over the network?
[01:02:05] GreyFoxx: What version of myth are you running ?
[01:02:16] imperfect-: svn
[01:02:21] imperfect-: from maybe last weekend
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[01:02:31] imperfect-: I can see thge server, just nothing is populated in the lists
[01:02:46] GreyFoxx: then unless you are turning off the upnp stuff at the mythbackend commandline it should already be there
[01:02:56] imperfect-: Yeah
[01:02:59] imperfect-: It's not working for me ;()
[01:03:03] Dr_willis: but it did not show my 'videos' dir. i noticed
[01:03:05] imperfect-: I see the server just no info
[01:03:14] Dr_willis: what upnp client you using?
[01:03:18] GreyFoxx: Nothing at all? No recordings, music or videos ?
[01:03:21] imperfect-: The one incluided w/ Vista
[01:03:22] imperfect-: yeah
[01:03:23] imperfect-: nothing
[01:03:35] Dr_willis: also you have to set the ip#'s correctly in the mythtv-setup – on the first page of settings
[01:03:45] GreyFoxx: Are you referring to Windows Media Plkayer 11 under vista?
[01:03:46] imperfect-: Hrm? THe ip's for what?
[01:03:58] imperfect-: GreyFoxx : both that and the network browswer.
[01:04:07] GreyFoxx: Is your backend IP set to 127.0.0.1 on the machine instead of the external IP of the mythbox ?
[01:04:18] imperfect-: UHm.
[01:04:21] imperfect-: I do not believe so
[01:04:22] Dr_willis: somthing to do with 127.0.0.1 and the actual real ip needs to be set..
[01:04:32] Dr_willis: i forget which/how i had to twiddle with them to get it working right
[01:04:39] imperfect-: I'm usually pretty good at making sure it's all right
[01:04:40] imperfect-: lemme look
[01:05:01] Dr_willis: I tried the box's ip in both places.. then 127.0.0.1/boxs ip, then reversed that.. :)
[01:05:14] imperfect-: for the DB?
[01:05:18] GreyFoxx: no
[01:05:23] GreyFoxx: For the backends IP itself
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[01:05:29] GreyFoxx: on the backend
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[01:05:37] imperfect-: bah ow I gotta log into my TV
[01:05:38] imperfect-: ;)
[01:05:43] imperfect-: Can I change that in mtyhweb?
[01:05:57] GreyFoxx: run this : mythfrontend -G BackendServerIP,MasterServerIP
[01:06:02] GreyFoxx: what values does it return ?
[01:06:09] imperfect-: mythfrontend -G BackendServerIP,MasterServerIP
[01:06:20] imperfect-: says it can't connec to X
[01:06:22] imperfect-: I'm ssh'd in
[01:06:29] GreyFoxx: Is X running on that machine ?
[01:06:34] imperfect-: Yes
[01:06:34] Dr_willis: use ssh -X
[01:06:37] imperfect-: But I'm ssh'd in
[01:06:38] imperfect-: I'm using vista
[01:06:40] imperfect-: I'm looking
[01:06:40] GreyFoxx: export DISPLAY=:0
[01:06:40] ante001: Quasar are u there
[01:06:42] imperfect-: it's set correctly
[01:06:44] GreyFoxx: then riun the command
[01:06:58] imperfect-: I'm looking at the setting under mythtv
[01:07:01] imperfect-: masterserip is correct
[01:08:44] GreyFoxx: set the DISPLAY variable and rerun the command, what does it output ?
[01:09:01] imperfect-: sweet chriust man
[01:09:02] imperfect-: Its right
[01:09:03] imperfect-: ;)
[01:09:11] imperfect-: you're killin me here
[01:09:19] GreyFoxx: neither is set to 127.0.0.1 ?
[01:09:27] imperfect-: nope
[01:09:31] GreyFoxx: and I assume that box is not multihomed
[01:09:38] GreyFoxx: single IP/netconnection
[01:09:48] imperfect-: YEs
[01:09:51] imperfect-: That's correct.
[01:10:07] imperfect-: Hrm
[01:10:08] imperfect-: Neat!
[01:10:11] GreyFoxx: cdev uses WMP11 under vista to play recordings
[01:10:12] imperfect-: I wonder if it's something w/ vista
[01:11:07] GreyFoxx: I don';t have access to a Vista machine here to test it. Only Windows machine is my wifes XP machine
[01:11:38] GreyFoxx: good luck, I gotta run
[01:11:48] imperfect-: Alright
[01:11:49] imperfect-: See ya
[01:11:52] imperfect-: thanks nyway
[01:21:31] Belkrem: is there a way to undo all setting on mysql
[01:22:26] Milosch: all?
[01:22:47] hardnova: how do i stop mythtv lirc controls while in a game ?
[01:24:07] hardnova: obviously mplayer and xine stop lirc accepting the mythtv controls
[01:24:27] hardnova: or is it because they change the app name ?
[01:24:47] hardnova: maybe if i do that ?
[01:25:03] Dr_willis: i thought lirc just intercepted/sent key sequences...
[01:25:14] Dr_willis: I need to tweak my lirc someday
[01:25:21] cesman: there isn't a -fixes that uses protocol version 32 is there?
[01:25:58] hardnova: Dr_willis yes but when you launch and external app the remote is still sending commands to mythtv
[01:26:31] Dr_willis: Hmm.. never noticed.. i figured it was sending them to the program.
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[01:27:45] hardnova: thats not what im talking about
[01:28:46] hardnova: in mythgame you say launch xmame or some other emulator that is a seperate application mythfrond end is still running in the background
[01:29:56] hardnova: and lirc if not talking to the new app still talks to mythfront end so say while your in the game you hit a few keys it ends up in some other menu or worse when you exit the game
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[01:33:18] vegeat: Anyone here have any luck with Charter and 1394?
[01:36:42] mahr: I have a weird problem with the sound on my mythtv. Im using alsa sound drivers and sound works fine for my system and even for play back recordings that mythtv has created, but live tv has no sound unless I toggle a setting in the mythtv setup. The setting im changing is the Enable AC3 to SPDIF passthrough
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[01:49:56] hardnova: how do i trick lirc to think prog = notmythtv
[01:50:00] mahr: anyone have anyideas about my sound?
[01:51:10] kormoc: the app with focus should be the config lirc uses
[01:51:52] hardnova: yea but how do you tell lirc to change focus ?
[01:52:01] kormoc: you do
[01:52:08] kormoc: *you don't
[01:52:17] kormoc: the window manager takes care of focus
[01:52:48] hardnova: yes but when you launch and external app the remote is still sending commands to mythtv
[01:52:55] kormoc: not on mine
[01:53:09] hardnova: well mine is
[01:53:22] kormoc: I launch mplayer, myth loses focus, mplayer gains focus, mplayer talks to lircd, and it gets the input
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[01:53:57] hardnova: kormoc mplayer has lirc support , im talking about an app that does not call lirc
[01:54:31] hardnova: I want to change the lirc so its not using active key sets
[01:54:53] kormoc: hardnova, you need to call irxevent and send a generic key press to the focused window. it's decently complicated and you're gonna need to read up on lirc
[01:55:51] hardnova: nice and easy good good
[01:55:53] vegeat: Why is charter refusing
[01:55:56] vegeat: to give me firewire access?/?
[01:56:04] kormoc: vegeat, cause they don't have to?
[01:56:26] kormoc: (isn't charter a canadian company?)
[01:56:29] QuesarVII: no, there is a fcc ruling that they have to provide firewire
[01:56:33] QuesarVII: nevermind
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[01:56:42] vegeat: yeah!
[01:56:49] QuesarVII: i'm thinking us rules, so if it's canadian, it doesn't apply
[01:57:00] vegeat: charter is a us company
[01:57:07] kormoc: ooh, my mistake
[01:57:13] vegeat: does dish or direct tv offer firewire?
[01:57:13] kormoc: then you're likely gonna need to fight them
[01:57:19] vegeat: ill switch to them if need be
[01:57:23] kormoc: vegeat, nope. they're not cable companys
[01:57:29] vegeat: that bootleg
[01:57:34] vegeat: i wish time warner bought out charter
[01:57:44] kormoc: vegeat, some people have to take their cable co to court to get it active, but it's rather clear, they do
[01:57:45] vegeat: cause my friend is on time warner and his firewire works
[01:58:11] vegeat: really court?
[01:58:14] vegeat: like small claims?
[01:58:18] kormoc: yes
[01:58:27] vegeat: dude im so down for that
[01:58:37] kormoc: see the wiki node for firewire. it has a link to the fcc documents
[01:58:48] hardnova: damit
[01:59:43] QuesarVII: too bad there's no ruling about not disabling serial ports on boxes.. i'm having major problems after switching from serial channel changing to ir channel changing
[01:59:52] hardnova: because lirc still has focus on mythtv if i hit the remote the keyboard focus goes back to the background mythtv app but the game goes on :(
[02:00:04] QuesarVII: the cable company updated my box, and now the serial port is dead
[02:00:25] kormoc: hardnova, you'll need to switch your entire lirc config to irxevent. you can't have any other prog= styles at all
[02:00:47] vegeat: anyone in a charter area?
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[02:09:00] Fooker: Is there any (easy) way to purge the listing data for a certian time period (or all data thats in the database?)
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[02:10:35] fall0ut: hrm, so is it feasible to seperate front-end and back-end across internet?
[02:12:23] Fooker: fall0ut: Not unless you have a really fast pipe between the two
[02:12:37] Fooker: fall0ut: And don't mind crappy video quality
[02:13:40] fall0ut: hrm... probably atleast 10mbit down @ front-end and multiple gig @ backend...
[02:13:54] fall0ut: does it support transcoding livetv from HD tuner or PVR-250 to mpg4?
[02:15:07] GreyFoxx: no
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[02:20:42] QuesarVII: fallout – how fat are the pipes you're working with?
[02:21:10] fall0ut: 10mbit downstream/2mbit upstream @ front-end
[02:21:22] fall0ut: and > 1GE @ back-end
[02:21:45] QuesarVII: 1G upload from the backend?
[02:21:56] GreyFoxx: Assuming the path between you and the backend works, that would work
[02:22:00] QuesarVII: you should be able to pull it off with 10Mbit down and 1G up
[02:22:33] QuesarVII: It would be a bit lagged based on your latency, but that's to be expected
[02:22:52] fall0ut: yea
[02:23:03] fall0ut: other thing is HD
[02:23:09] QuesarVII: you could encode from a framegrabber (bttv) to mpeg4
[02:23:52] QuesarVII: I doubt you could pull off HD. You'd have to be easy on the bitrate to not overwhelm 10mbit
[02:26:19] Fooker: Program guide on my mythtv is out by an hour – any way to adjust this? My clock and timezone settings are reported correctly by date..
[02:28:42] tank-man: Fooker, i think the setting is in mythtv-setup
[02:29:11] Fooker: tank-man: Adjusting it in there doesn't seem to have any immediate effect – does the guide data need to be redownloaded after changing it?
[02:29:56] tank-man: after you quit mythtv-setup, it tells you to run mythfilldatabase
[02:30:34] Fooker: Yeah, if you haven't ran it before
[02:32:30] Fooker: Guess you have to rerun it for the offset to take effect
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[02:38:59] sreality: can someone tell me how I can scan all the possible frequencies within a dvb-s window? (if I have 1 tp freq which works, I want it to scan all above...)
[02:48:23] Smirnov: is there any way to get MythVideo to give TV show posters ?
[02:48:52] Smirnov: i converted a bunch of itunes tv shows i bought to WMV but its not showing the poster when i browse it
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[02:51:27] alfonxalfonx: arrgg.. compiling: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXv ??
[02:51:53] alfonxalfonx: (ubuntu edgy user)
[02:54:01] waldo: did you apt-get install build-essentials?
[02:54:11] waldo: and what are you compiling? it's ubuntu. use the packages.
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[03:01:01] Fooker: So whats everyones favorite theme?
[03:02:17] kormoc: G.N.A.T is the one I use
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[03:17:29] grndslm: Fooker: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Themes lists about all of 'em
[03:19:24] LabMonkey: oh boy am I angry now
[03:20:02] LabMonkey: recently upgraded my kernel, trying to solve a problem completely unrelated to mythtv
[03:20:12] LabMonkey: upgrading kernel required upgrading ivtv
[03:20:20] LabMonkey: and rebuilding lirc
[03:20:26] LabMonkey: and lcdproc
[03:20:26] tank-man: lol
[03:20:49] LabMonkey: now mythtv isn't handling the ivtv driver properly
[03:20:53] LabMonkey: tank-man: what's funny?
[03:21:18] tank-man: your upgrading troubles. sorry for laughing
[03:21:22] LabMonkey: it's funny to you that for like a week now I've had recordings scheduled but nothing was actually recorded?
[03:22:18] tank-man: i'm still on 2.4 kernel
[03:23:07] LabMonkey: well I have issues with vesafb and my weird resolution
[03:23:28] LabMonkey: if I stop xorg then my display is all wacky
[03:23:32] tank-man: sounds like more than ivtv troubles
[03:23:40] tank-man: nvidia?
[03:23:40] LabMonkey: though it's fine until I start xorg
[03:23:43] LabMonkey: yeah
[03:23:57] tank-man: i had that with tv out with nvidia
[03:23:59] LabMonkey: but I'm using the nvidia drivers for xorg, which recommends *not* using the nvidia kernel driver
[03:24:09] tank-man: console all looks corupt
[03:24:15] LabMonkey: yeah
[03:24:20] tank-man: i didnt fix it
[03:24:21] LabMonkey: this is DVI
[03:24:38] LabMonkey: I had hoped that if I ran the fbcon at the same resolution as xorg then it would go way
[03:24:41] LabMonkey: away*
[03:24:49] LabMonkey: but I can't get vesafb to do 1360x768
[03:25:02] tank-man: it is some tv out setting
[03:25:09] tank-man: i turned off tv out and it was ok
[03:25:24] LabMonkey: oh
[03:25:26] LabMonkey: hrm
[03:25:59] LabMonkey: so if I could disable the tv-out (RCA?) then it might resolve the problem?
[03:26:26] tank-man: are you also having garbage display in x windows?
[03:26:42] tank-man: i only had garbage when i loged out of x windows
[03:27:04] LabMonkey: oh
[03:27:07] LabMonkey: and even better
[03:27:15] LabMonkey: I finally got my remote to work again
[03:27:28] LabMonkey: but it's refusing to work as a mouse too
[03:27:43] LabMonkey: no, it's fine in X
[03:27:49] LabMonkey: the display I mean
[03:27:56] LabMonkey: in fact it's really good
[03:28:08] LabMonkey: it's when I stop X that the display corrupts
[03:28:45] tank-man: why stop it then?
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[03:29:05] tank-man: " doc, it hurts when i touch it" :)
[03:29:33] prozac: compiling mythtv backend only still requires x?
[03:30:05] tank-man: unknown
[03:30:39] LabMonkey: tank-man: I don't need to stop it very often
[03:30:55] LabMonkey: prozac: "backend-only" doesn't do what you think it does
[03:31:22] tank-man: you can read minds? :)
[03:31:24] LabMonkey: for one thing, Qt is used as a standard template library
[03:31:30] LabMonkey: in mythtv
[03:31:49] LabMonkey: so it's used even in the backend (like for sql stuff)
[03:32:15] prozac: ok
[03:32:20] LabMonkey: tank-man: I have my good days and bad :P
[03:32:22] tank-man: when do you need to log of out X on a frontend?
[03:32:37] tank-man: suspending frontend?
[03:33:15] LabMonkey: tank-man: I can't remember a valid excuse for it right now... but I know I've had reason to before
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[03:40:49] sandeen: anybody know of a reasonably priced UPS w/ coax surge protection as well?
[03:41:10] sandeen: (semi-ot what with cable tv and computers and all) :)
[03:43:27] kormoc: APC is my choice
[03:47:53] ** sandeen checks the apc offerings :) **
[03:49:19] LabMonke1: ok that was fun
[03:51:50] LabMonkey: ok that was fun
[03:52:26] LabMonkey: my router hardlocked for no apparently reason
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[03:59:08] LabMonkey: wtf
[03:59:18] LabMonkey: No error type from QSqlError? Strange...
[03:59:18] LabMonkey: 2007-02–04 21:58:38.223 Failed to init MythContext, exiting.
[03:59:25] LabMonkey: rebuilt mythtv and now I get this
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[04:19:28] k-man_: hello
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[04:19:48] k-man_: is there any talk around the traps about when .21 might come out?
[04:20:01] k-man_: appart from the standard "when it's ready"
[04:20:46] livingtm: Anyone know if mythfrontend needs to be restarted after modifying lircrc?
[04:21:20] livingtm: or maybe if a refresh can be forced without restarting the frontend?
[04:21:20] k-man_: livingtm, i think you need to restart lircd
[04:21:35] k-man_: that should be sufficient
[04:21:55] livingtm: hmm, not sure abou that... i dont think i ever restarted the daemon after editing
[04:21:57] livingtm: hmmmm
[04:22:09] livingtm: but i think i did have to restart the frontend
[04:22:14] kormoc: I think the frontend does need to restart
[04:22:15] k-man_: well.. i'm not sure then
[04:22:33] livingtm: i wonder if the api has a function i can call to reload
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[04:23:06] cesman: livingtm: yes, restart it
[04:23:15] cesman: k-man_:
[04:23:22] livingtm: i was thinking of writing a configuration plugin for remotes....
[04:23:43] livingtm: using the lirc driver database and stuff
[04:23:49] cesman: no it to it!
[04:24:00] livingtm: no it to it?
[04:24:11] cesman: write the plugin
[04:24:19] livingtm: seems useful, no?
[04:24:21] livingtm: :-)
[04:24:25] k-man_: cesman, what?
[04:24:41] cesman: well, for those that don't use KnoppMyth ;)
[04:24:47] livingtm: hehe
[04:24:54] cesman: KnoppMyth already asks what remote you have
[04:25:01] livingtm: maybe i sure see how knoppmyth does it hehe
[04:25:03] cesman: and detects some USB remotes
[04:25:06] livingtm: but even for key mapping
[04:25:21] cesman: k-man_: nothing
[04:25:24] livingtm: would be handy to map the remote functions based on what remote you have
[04:25:35] livingtm: anyhoo, more ideas than time :-) i gotta sleep.
[04:25:48] cesman: rest well
[04:25:54] livingtm: 'night
[04:33:46] ShiftyPowers: hey all, how do i upgrade my mythconverg database to a new schema without losing settings?
[04:33:51] ShiftyPowers: is that possible?
[04:34:19] ShiftyPowers: http://www.pastebin.ca/340952
[04:34:28] ShiftyPowers: that's the error i get in mythbackend.log
[04:34:28] kormoc: run mythtv setup and it should update automatically
[04:35:13] defaultro: hi kormoc
[04:35:22] kormoc: ShiftyPowers, notice the "Table './mythconverg/inuseprograms' is marked as crashed and should be repaired"
[04:35:26] kormoc: ShiftyPowers, you need to fix it
[04:35:29] kormoc: defaultro, mornin'
[04:36:23] defaultro: kormoc, I saw a video of someone throwing a hot water in the air and the hot water disintegrating quickly in very cold weather in video.google.com. Today, I tried it and it's really true :)
[04:36:39] ShiftyPowers: kormoc, how do i fix it?
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[04:40:51] ShiftyPowers: kormoc, ?
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[05:28:29] Aurelius_: defaultro: how cold?
[05:29:17] kormoc: -40F or -50F is the common demos
[05:33:45] Aurelius_: i meant how cold was it where he was ;)
[05:34:02] defaultro: hey, I'm back
[05:34:18] defaultro: Aurelius, weather.com says it's -28F
[05:34:27] defaultro: but it worked
[05:34:28] hjohnson: heh
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[05:35:47] defaultro: I actually asked my daugher to take a video of me :)
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[05:44:56] Aurelius_: ah
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[05:52:46] sandeen: hmm only -7F here
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[06:03:25] exobyte: How can I check to see what protocol versions my backend supports?
[06:08:13] cesman: check your backend log
[06:09:10] exobyte: cesman: "proto" isn't in it
[06:09:26] tank-man: "Proto" ?
[06:09:30] tank-man: :)
[06:09:35] exobyte: nope
[06:09:45] sandeen: [root@mythbox ~]# grep -i proto /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[06:09:45] sandeen: 2007-01–23 22:55:16.006 Using protocol version 31
[06:09:46] sandeen: ....
[06:10:03] exobyte: debian:/home/mythtv# grep -i proto /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[06:10:03] exobyte: debian:/home/mythtv#
[06:10:14] sandeen: must be protocol version 0 :)
[06:10:14] cesman: grep protocol /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[06:10:24] cesman: 2007-02–04 10:05:03.691 Using protocol version 31
[06:10:26] cesman: is what I get
[06:10:37] exobyte: lemme restart....
[06:10:54] sandeen: wc -l /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log? :)
[06:10:57] exobyte: is ivtv suppost to be kinda undatable?
[06:11:05] exobyte: sandeen: it's non-zero
[06:11:52] exobyte: ok, I have a client going
[06:11:59] exobyte: and, nothing in the log
[06:12:20] Captain_Murdoch: exobyte: look in the client's log.
[06:12:51] exobyte: 31
[06:12:57] Captain_Murdoch: and the backend can only support 1 version, it is not forward or backwards compatible. certain clients are though, such as the mvpmc client, it can connect to several backend versions.
[06:12:57] exobyte: Captain_Murdoch: I was just doing that..
[06:13:11] tank-man: 2007-02–04 21:43:29.712 Using protocol version 32
[06:13:15] tank-man: yes!
[06:13:20] tank-man: i win
[06:13:22] exobyte: wow- maybe I need to recompile
[06:13:45] exobyte: the xbmc interface is suprisingly nice
[06:14:22] tank-man: yea?
[06:14:28] tank-man: got a link?
[06:14:41] exobyte: uhhh
[06:14:55] tank-man: info
[06:14:57] exobyte: http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=128346
[06:16:40] exobyte: I wish I knew why livetv wasn't working on it
[06:17:19] adante: justout of curiousity, does anybody know why, when you press escape in the main menu, then say no when it asks if you are sure you want to terminate mythfrontend, it takes so long to get back tothe main menu?
[06:26:40] mythbox: i wish i knew how to reset my reciever to factory settings, that would be nice
[06:31:02] mythbox: anyone familiar with yamaha recievers?
[06:42:17] clever: with my dct2000 motorola/rogers box if i hold the power while pluging it in the firmware i beleive is formated
[06:42:23] clever: then it becomes a paper weight
[06:42:36] clever: until the cable company sends new firmware thru the cable line
[06:43:46] clever: best to only do such formating when they ask you to
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[06:51:26] exobyte: for the xbmc-mythtv client, livetv and recorded files are supposed to be in the same directory. Is this an option I can set, or is it always like this?
[06:52:34] kormoc: always like that
[06:53:18] exobyte: kormoc: which is why all my files seem to show up there...
[06:57:49] exobyte: this is weird. when I go to watch live tv on the xbmc frontend, nothing happens. There isn't an entry in the samba log, so that means it isn't even trying to watch
[07:14:30] ** cesman ponders if Cowman fears the milkman **
[07:14:50] Cowman: hey, I've got a problem with a previously working install of myth. I rebooted during a recording and after which I upgraded my ivtv drivers. the new drivers are working for sure, I get output with mplayer.
[07:15:22] Cowman: myth says I can't view livetv cause it has a recording in progress... but it doesn't have one in progress. I deleted the only one and it would have been over by now
[07:15:52] Cowman: and why does everyone think cowman = some sort of man cow creature
[07:15:57] cesman: restarting the backend usually clears this up from my experience
[07:16:16] Cowman: well I did /etc/init.d/mythbackend restart a few times now
[07:16:23] Cowman: no dice
[07:16:32] Cowman: oh and a reboot
[07:16:44] cesman: delete the card and readd it
[07:18:03] kormoc: Cowman, People likely think so cause they speak English. If they spoke say.... German, they likely would not think so
[07:18:29] Cowman: it's a play on the word 'Cowboy'
[07:18:33] Cowman: but anyway..
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[07:22:13] Cowman: ok I'm in business...
[07:22:16] Cowman: almost..
[07:25:05] Cowman: deleting the card fixed the problem, now I have to fix my external channel changer script..
[07:25:45] Cowman: yup it's working
[07:25:57] Cowman: thanks for the help
[07:26:26] Cowman: hopefully the new drivers stop the little video hiccups I'd been getting
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[07:45:22] exobyte: I'm trying to record something, just to test mythtv
[07:45:39] exobyte: I found a show, selected "record only this showing"
[07:45:43] exobyte: saved it
[07:45:56] exobyte: but it isn't in the upcoming recordings list
[07:50:10] kormoc: give it a minute or two and check again
[07:52:41] exobyte: kormoc: isn't it changed in a db?
[07:53:06] kormoc: sure, but it needs to wait for the huge scheduler query to run to update the pending recordings
[07:53:19] exobyte: I have no recordings
[07:53:37] exobyte: everything's empty, except for the tv guide
[07:53:51] kormoc: when the scheduler runs, it updates the pending recordings
[07:54:03] kormoc: I didn't say it updated the current recordings, the pending ones
[07:54:22] exobyte: uhhhh
[07:54:34] exobyte: I only have one pending recording, I think
[07:55:14] kormoc: you said you created a recording schedule, and it didn't show up in the upcomming recordings, correct?
[07:55:45] exobyte: right
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[07:57:28] exobyte: will it still say "Not Recording" under the time?
[07:57:49] kormoc: until the big query runs, yes
[07:58:00] exobyte: hmmm... they're there in Set Priorites
[07:58:13] exobyte: all 10 tries
[07:58:59] kormoc: priorites are set on the recording schedule and get updated by the big query
[07:59:09] kormoc: check the upcomming recordings list now
[07:59:20] exobyte: nothing
[07:59:29] kormoc: check the logs to make sure it ran?
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[08:00:43] exobyte: it seems to be trying to reschedule them
[08:00:50] exobyte: since they conflict with each other
[08:00:57] exobyte: and I have no idea how to delete the requests
[08:01:01] kormoc: one should always win
[08:01:37] exobyte: kormoc: ok, that's good. How do I delete the requests?
[08:01:46] kormoc: go to the list of them
[08:01:55] kormoc: press the right arrow, and hit delete perhaps?
[08:02:00] kormoc: I use mythweb to do all this, so I might be wrong
[08:03:50] exobyte: ah.. I should try that sometime
[08:06:13] exobyte: thanks for the help
[08:14:18] kormoc: you're welcome
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[08:56:37] sanmarcos: where can I find a changelog of the new features coming up in 0.21?
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[09:14:57] Dibblah: sanmarcos: http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/query?status=close . . . der=priority
[09:15:10] sanmarcos: I checked out the release notes :)
[09:15:13] Dibblah: There's probably more that won't be there.
[09:15:26] sanmarcos: is there an approximate release date?
[09:19:19] Dibblah: Not for some time yet.
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[09:19:58] sanmarcos: Dibblah, monhts?
[09:20:24] Dibblah: Probably.
[09:20:35] Dibblah: There's nothing earth-shattering in SVN yet.
[09:20:45] sanmarcos: well I care about bug fixes
[09:20:48] Dibblah: A large number of minor tweaks...
[09:20:58] sanmarcos: specially with all the new activity sorrounding ivtv
[09:21:43] Dibblah: Depends if any of these hits you: http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/query?status=close . . . der=priority
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[09:23:32] sanmarcos: how can I fidn out what version do I have?
[09:27:11] Dibblah: mythbackend --version
[09:28:32] sanmarcos: Library API version: 0.20.20060828–3
[09:28:59] clever: Library API version: 0.20.20070124–1
[09:29:07] clever: Source code version: 12713
[09:31:40] clever: my mythtv cant currently change the channel
[09:31:52] clever: but how would i go about making it think its on channel x
[09:34:56] clever: [5]+ Segmentation fault mythfrontend (wd: ~/bin)
[09:34:58] clever: :S
[09:36:40] clever: 2007-02–05 03:39:10.086 NVR: Ran out of free AUDIO buffers :-(
[09:36:40] clever: 2007-02–05 03:39:10.109 NVR: Ran out of free AUDIO buffers :-(
[09:36:40] clever: 2007-02–05 03:39:10.132 NVR: Ran out of free AUDIO buffers :-(
[09:36:59] clever: didnt seg fault this time:)
[09:37:19] Dibblah: clever: That's not clever. irc is for talking. Pastebin is for pasting.
[09:38:04] clever: yeah i meant to paste 1 line
[09:38:13] clever: but its hard to copy just 1 line when its scrolling by that fast
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[10:01:56] juski: morning
[10:02:11] rsdvd: good morning Juski
[10:03:05] juski: had a good weekend – got loads of theme work done :)
[10:05:25] rsdvd: is it all finished now?
[10:09:48] rsdvd: juski – I have managed to build gar-minimyth completely now. Just need to work out how to add in the IEGD stuff (and change Xorg)
[10:30:27] juski: rsdvd: finished? is it ellerslike
[10:31:18] rsdvd: LOL......I thought you were getting lcose to finishing this one?
[10:32:22] juski: close yes
[10:32:27] rsdvd: :-)
[10:32:52] juski: it's pretty much all done now – just needs testing, tweaking & mythmusic sorting out
[10:33:00] rsdvd: you are fast becoming the 'theme guru'
[10:33:06] juski: no no no
[10:33:10] Merlin83b2: Too late.
[10:33:15] juski: the guy who did mepo-wide is the guru
[10:33:26] rsdvd: are you still 'inspired' by Me-Po for the music?
[10:33:29] juski: with his annoyingly textbook xml
[10:33:31] juski: yeah
[10:33:50] juski: methinks he read the UI source code extensively
[10:33:54] rsdvd: do we know who he is? maybe he should be invited in here to goive some pointers
[10:34:13] juski: uses features I've not seen any other theme use, like headers & footers
[10:34:39] juski: anyway I've nicked loads of ideas in some eureka style moments ;)
[10:34:46] rsdvd: unless he actually wrote the theme engine – then these things must be documented somewhere
[10:34:54] juski: they're not documented
[10:35:09] rsdvd: :-) other than the source code
[10:35:16] juski: I'm in 2 minds about whether to keep it th way or not
[10:35:42] juski: anyway – congrats on getting gar to build
[10:36:03] juski: I completely disagree
[10:36:14] juski: you only have to see the screenshot of leafers-wide to see why
[10:36:47] juski: http://cscl.alasu.edu/MYTHTV/Leafers-wide-screenshot.jpg
[10:37:00] rsdvd: there may be several graphic designers out there who could make lovely themes – they just don;t have the time or code knowledge to do it
[10:37:10] juski: I don't think so
[10:37:11] qu0zl: nice Juski, that's your best theme yet
[10:37:12] rsdvd: ewwww
[10:37:15] qu0zl: ;)
[10:37:51] juski: I'd rather see development head into those areas before making myth look pretty
[10:38:06] juski: there's enough theme choice already
[10:38:22] rsdvd: true! especially with your now regular supply of new themes :-)
[10:38:28] juski: you can't change all that much anyway – there's only so much you can make look different
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[10:39:40] slaine_: Juski, have you got a url for a mepo-wide screenshot ?
[10:40:00] juski: like I had that big argument with that ass-hat the other week – him saying what I do are skins because they don't (can't) change the 'feel' of the UI – he was partly right
[10:40:11] rsdvd: http://home.comcast.net/~zdzisekg/
[10:40:54] rsdvd: surley 'theme' and 'skin' are interchangable in this case
[10:41:14] juski: in this case they are I think, but the point is only the look is changed
[10:41:54] rsdvd: but that is what a 'theme' is – think back to Win95 and it's theme's – they just changed the look of the icosna dn the colors (sic) used
[10:42:00] juski: I could have come back with the argument that one of the XBMC 'skins' changes the feel of the UI
[10:43:04] juski: when this is done, and the .org rejig is about done I'm gonna start looking at the UI code to see if we can't get some movement in there
[10:43:38] rsdvd: :-) you really do spend all your time 'mything'
[10:43:47] juski: I want it bad enough to start chipping away at it myself
[10:44:20] juski: plus being a theme dev myself I can make my themes the first to take advantage of the new stuff :-P
[10:44:48] rsdvd: :-)
[10:45:19] slaine_: That is a nice theme
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[10:47:40] juski: slaine_: I appreciate the work behind it but I don't like how it looks
[10:48:05] juski: it's excellent but not to my taste
[10:48:06] slaine_: That's always subjective
[10:48:12] juski: of course
[10:48:26] slaine_: When can we screenshots of yours ?
[10:48:29] juski: notice I'm not saying "I don't like it, therefore it sucks" :)
[10:48:32] rsdvd: thats the point of themes though
[10:48:37] juski: www.juski.co.uk
[10:48:42] juski: neon-wide is the new one
[10:48:45] slaine_: ta
[10:51:52] slaine_: rofl, juski, it seems we've had similar inspiration
[10:51:54] slaine_: http://slaine.org/work/linSTB_720_Enhanced.mp4
[10:54:03] clever: is it posible to have a mythtv livecd
[10:54:17] clever: which finds the master thru either upnp or a ip burned into the cd
[10:54:24] slaine_: clever, I believe that's part of KnoppMyth
[10:54:32] ** clever has a look there **
[10:54:48] slaine_: You can run the frontend off the cd
[10:54:53] clever: nice
[10:55:05] clever: would let me turn winblows boxes into temp frontends
[10:55:06] juski: slaine_: wheee! I like that.. what did you use for the UI?
[10:55:10] rsdvd: there are many frontend livecds
[10:55:40] slaine_: juski, Thanks. EFL. It was a proto-type for that SetTopBox project I mentioned I was working on
[10:55:42] clever: how would they mainly find the master though?
[10:56:06] rsdvd: clever – they will prompt for the setup stuff
[10:56:16] clever: ahh
[10:56:19] clever: at each boot?
[10:56:29] rsdvd: yeah
[10:56:34] clever: that could get anoying
[10:57:05] rsdvd: depends what you are using it for – normally only used to prove some hardware is capable of running the frontend.
[10:57:07] juski: I think someone needs to change his nick
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[10:57:20] slaine_: rofl
[10:57:21] clever: yeah thats one good use rsdvd
[10:57:32] rsdvd: if you intent to use it permenantly – then there are better ways than a livecd
[10:57:42] clever: its a xp box my dad uses
[10:57:47] clever: and he doesnt want to use linux on there
[10:57:55] clever: so any kind of perm install isnt posible
[10:58:22] rsdvd: how about a network nboot of minimyth or similar
[10:58:34] clever: that might be slower
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[10:58:41] rsdvd: then leave the local XP and then boot across the network when you want linux/myth
[10:58:48] clever: would need to load ALL software thru the 100mbit instead of the cd
[10:59:04] juski: clever: it's not slower than booting from hdd
[10:59:06] rsdvd: NOOOO.....a network install will work so much better than a CD
[10:59:23] clever: ive been wanting to try making a grub-netboot floppy
[10:59:27] juski: well not significantly slower anyway
[10:59:41] clever: and ive played with nfs and chroot/pivot_root
[10:59:47] quicksil1er: it's an unusual CD drive which can push data at a consistent 100m
[11:00:07] clever: id still think a local cd drive might be more stable
[11:00:11] clever: but ro
[11:00:21] quicksil1er: that would be '60x' officially, but most of the cheap ones never keep up that kind of speed
[11:00:32] clever: its a dvd burner also
[11:00:40] clever: cd/dvd reader/burner
[11:00:52] juski: there we go. annoying noise is filtered again
[11:01:20] quicksil1er: network boot would be much cooler and more flexible if it's possible
[11:01:28] quicksil1er: and I'd be very surprised if it was slower
[11:01:46] juski: minimyth boots in abou 45s on my epia frontend
[11:02:03] juski: ubunut won't do that even from a hdd
[11:02:30] clever: lol nice
[11:03:11] clever: my mythtv box is down to 700mb free space
[11:03:18] clever: it was set to have a min of 3gig
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[11:03:42] clever: and i have a single 3.4gig (1hour?) nuv from a show i watched nearly live
[11:03:46] juski: jees you really have no idea do you?
[11:03:49] Dibblah: Yeah, but ubuntu is not exactly the ambassador of svelte...
[11:04:01] clever: it should have auto deleted that to free up the set min 3gig
[11:04:33] juski: it will – after 24 hours
[11:04:47] juski: unless you set it to be kept for longer, or permanently
[11:04:57] clever: i thought it would also do it if under the set min free disc space
[11:05:08] clever: seems to just be doing it slowly
[11:05:12] clever: its expiring now
[11:05:13] juski: I believe that subject is adequately coverred in the documentation
[11:05:29] clever: the nuv no longer shows in ls but the space isnt free yet
[11:05:43] clever: but it has said on std out(err?) that its expiring it:)
[11:07:33] juski: what filesystem are you using?
[11:07:36] clever: ext3
[11:07:48] juski: and you enabled gradual file deletes?
[11:07:53] clever: i also checked an option somewhere to delete things slowly
[11:08:00] juski: yeah it'll take ages
[11:08:08] juski: stops your system getting iobound
[11:08:08] clever: lol
[11:08:21] clever: my sys is allready nearly io bound:P
[11:08:30] ** clever loads top **
[11:08:33] juski: which when you're deleting hundreds of gigabytes in one go is very important
[11:08:39] clever: 81% used
[11:08:41] clever: 13% sys
[11:08:53] clever: 0% idle/wait
[11:09:05] clever: Cpu(s): 81.5% us, 13.3% sy, 0.0% ni, 0.0% id, 0.5% wa, 0.5% hi, 4.1% si
[11:09:56] juski: should have used xfs or something with such an illconceived hdd size
[11:10:07] clever: 52gig
[11:10:08] juski: you're not living up to your nick again
[11:10:21] clever: and i intended it to be just a database server when i made it
[11:10:36] clever: i can clear a diff drive out and convert it to xfs later if this is too slow
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[11:12:27] juski: it's no wonder people have such disappointing experiences with mythtv if they choose unsuitable hardware
[11:13:01] juski: I hope when the main site is rejigged some of the myths about hardware requirements can be put to bed
[11:13:05] clever: its still working pretty well even with this hw
[11:14:09] juski: someone reads a "hey I managed to play back hdtv on a 500mhz machine" they're gonna try & do it themselves
[11:14:34] juski: I think the minimum specs should be upped, so if anyone says "yeah but it works on less" than can go to hell & be ignored
[11:14:51] juski: :)
[11:15:01] juski: have conservative specs ;)
[11:15:19] clever: i started with 5gig free space
[11:15:26] clever: im at 1.8gig now
[11:15:31] juski: like how cinelerra recommend a minimum of one dual opteron box
[11:15:39] clever: but theres many other things that could have eaten it up
[11:15:46] clever: 1.9gig :D
[11:15:49] juski: sources maybe
[11:16:00] clever: yeah i did build from source
[11:16:07] clever: but my mysql database is in use for other things also
[11:16:32] clever: and i downloaded about 2.8gig of anime recently
[11:16:36] clever: to the usb drive
[11:16:53] clever: then i started moving 19gig out of / to the usb to make room for myth
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[11:17:06] clever: that move of 19gig has slowed myth a little but i dont notice it much
[11:18:31] clever: just enabled myth weather
[11:18:34] clever: tons of info:D
[11:23:10] juski: clever: copyright free anime?
[11:23:22] clever: death note
[11:23:39] clever: the text added at one point says its a free sub and i was riped off if i paied for it
[11:23:59] clever: i dont beleive its being dubed or copywrited in north america yet
[11:25:22] juski: beside the point. we don't talk about illegal stuff in here
[11:25:35] clever: k
[11:27:28] clever: sh: /usr/local/bin/mythbrowser: No such file or directory
[11:27:48] Zider: iirc, fansubbed anime is (legally) free to share, spread and so on, until it's commercially dubbed
[11:28:12] juski: is it? that's crazy
[11:28:31] clever: the copy i have is fan subbed and i dont beleive its being dubed yet
[11:28:35] Zider: I'll chase down where I read it
[11:28:48] quicksil1er: the phrase 'copyrighted in north america' makes no sense, btw
[11:28:50] juski: so who gets paid?
[11:28:54] quicksil1er: copyright is intrinsic
[11:29:07] quicksil1er: and no action needs be taken for it to apply in a particular jurisdiction
[11:29:21] Zider: juski: they get tons sold in wherever thweir made, where the english subs aren't needed
[11:29:35] clever: ahh
[11:29:36] clever: Disabling MythBrowser due to missing KDE development packages.
[11:29:53] clever: that explains my lack of mythbrower:)
[11:29:54] juski: so they just turn a blind eye to all the piracy?
[11:29:55] Zider: juski: but that's just how I remember it, I'll hunt down the original info
[11:30:12] juski: anyway the rule of thumb is we don't talk about illegal shit in here
[11:30:25] Zider: juski: I guess they see it as good PR until it's officially subbed or somehing
[11:31:36] clever: installing kde-devel
[11:31:47] clever: whoa 217mb:P
[11:32:30] clever: the system is currently gnome based
[11:32:57] Zider: out of the ashes into the fire
[11:32:59] Zider: ;)
[11:34:07] clever: i cant get mythtv to change channels atm
[11:34:13] clever: so i made my own script for the channel changer
[11:34:20] clever: which just sticks the channel in a file
[11:34:31] clever: so i can moniter what it thinks its on
[11:35:03] clever: stuff like the show your currently on are messed up if it thinks its on a diff chan
[11:36:31] clever: its my main mysql server
[11:36:46] juski: use a small lightweight wm instead
[11:36:48] clever: i just stuck a tvinput card into it since it was near a tv
[11:37:01] clever: the actual wm i think is metacity
[11:37:18] clever: i killed that once and all the windows lost the borders/titles
[11:37:37] clever: it auto restarted after a short delay
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[11:37:53] clever: i could change it to twm probly
[11:38:08] clever: or some other limited wm
[11:38:40] MonkeyINAbaG: heyas, i just set up a new mythbox, and my mplayer doesnt respond to keyboard commands.... it just caches them until mplayer exits and sends them back to mythtv
[11:39:02] quicksil1er: MonkeyINAbaG: it's not getting keyboard focus then
[11:39:08] quicksil1er: this could be a problem with your window manager
[11:39:19] clever: that sounds posible
[11:39:19] quicksil1er: which window manager are you using?
[11:39:32] quicksil1er: (also, why are you using mplayer and not the internal player?)
[11:39:38] ** juski bets on no window manager **
[11:39:46] clever: juski: lol
[11:40:02] Zider: <- prefers mplayer
[11:40:16] clever: i also perfer mplayer
[11:40:18] MonkeyINAbaG: hmm.... its a launcher i borrowed from my other mythbox, its mostly gnome... but the install is minimal, mabye im missing some packages... i am using mythvideo
[11:40:32] clever: i also fixed the joystick under mplayer when started by myth
[11:40:45] clever: the joystick device was only readable by root:plugdev
[11:40:58] clever: fixed it by adding mythtv to the plugdev group
[11:41:13] quicksil1er: the main advantage of the internal player is consistent keybindings, IMO
[11:41:21] quicksil1er: (well consistent *everything*)
[11:41:27] quicksil1er: but keybindings perhaps the most noticeable
[11:41:30] clever: quicksil1er: that can be simulated by editing mplayers bindings
[11:41:36] quicksil1er: clever: yes, but why bother?
[11:41:41] quicksil1er: clever: when it just works :)
[11:41:48] clever: mythtv could come with a custon mplayer binding conf
[11:41:55] clever: which you just drop in place
[11:41:55] juski: oh noes! no support for windows c0d3x!!! :(
[11:42:01] Zider: I like having the same keybindings regardless of what file I'm playing, and mythtv can't handle as many formats as mplayer
[11:42:02] clever: and instantly the bindings match up
[11:42:24] MonkeyINAbaG: the internal player doesnt work with mythvideo does it?
[11:42:25] quicksil1er: if you play lots of pirated videos, I can see that would be a factor
[11:42:34] MonkeyINAbaG: does it support a range of codecs and filetypes?
[11:42:36] quicksil1er: I only play stuff I've recorded or got on DVD :P
[11:42:39] Zider: doesn't have to be pirated
[11:42:45] quicksil1er: I was flame-baiting
[11:42:59] Zider: noooooo?! really?
[11:43:02] quicksil1er: however, a recent survey showed that 99.999% of all codec-requiring video was pirated.
[11:43:07] MonkeyINAbaG: hehe
[11:43:21] clever: every video file has a codec:P
[11:43:27] clever: enless its raw video
[11:43:29] quicksil1er: clever: you know what I meant
[11:43:30] juski: a recent study of statistics revealed that 75% of all stats are made up on the spot
[11:43:47] Zider: juski: you just made that up!
[11:43:57] juski: duh yeah
[11:44:01] Zider: ;)
[11:44:10] juski: all divx videos are dodgy pirates
[11:44:12] juski: most xvids are
[11:44:18] clever: ahh:)
[11:44:19] juski: and wmv is just DRM'd porn
[11:44:24] clever: lol
[11:44:25] juski: as is rm
[11:44:35] clever: what about h264?
[11:44:37] juski: nobody would *willingly* use them
[11:44:45] juski: movie trailers & pirate videos
[11:45:03] MonkeyINAbaG: 978G /share/Media/Movies/
[11:45:06] juski: quicktime is a mac-lover's format so can be ignored
[11:45:08] MonkeyINAbaG: almost there
[11:45:13] Zider: I have a lot of qt/wmv trailers
[11:45:17] clever: some of the anime groups i use are shifting from xvid to h264
[11:45:26] MonkeyINAbaG: i subscribe to podcasts!
[11:45:37] clever: i just got mythtv to play youtube
[11:45:39] juski: oh noes! no web 2.0 for you then
[11:46:32] juski: I've seen a couple of good videos on youtube.. out of how many?
[11:46:42] clever: milions?:P
[11:46:56] clever: maybe bil?
[11:47:01] juski: heh
[11:47:44] juski: mostly people reposting the same crap I think
[11:47:44] juski: there's only so many times I can watch diet coke & mentos
[11:48:07] clever: yeah often it is just reposts
[11:48:08] quicksil1er: mind you, it was pretty bloody cool the first 3 times I watched it
[11:48:26] clever: search for will it blend
[11:48:26] juski: what youtube is missing is editorial content about the content
[11:48:35] clever: you see them putting all kinds of stuff in a blender
[11:48:54] clever: ipod
[11:48:56] clever: crowbar
[11:48:58] clever: wiimote
[11:49:15] juski: how innovative. people smashing expensive toys
[11:49:24] juski: :-|
[11:49:26] clever: there showing that the blender can take anything
[11:49:53] MonkeyINAbaG: mebbe i should experiment with democracy instead on this box
[11:50:17] ** clever just added the mythtv youtube channel to his mythtv box **
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[11:59:06] juski: maybe mythtv should have nothing at all to do with stuff which also has illegal uses. Oh wait – it already does
[11:59:38] clever: lol
[11:59:58] clever: if i had channel changing working i could easily record many shows a day and encode and upload away
[12:00:13] clever: but i only have 50kb/sec up and i dont have a reason to do such a thing
[12:00:48] juski: you also have an obligation under most copyright law not to do that
[12:00:54] clever: yeah
[12:02:05] clever: watching the youtube vid of 14 days in a civic
[12:02:24] clever: they havent even made it into the car yet and several things have gone wrong
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[12:03:48] juski: are there videos of youtube fanboys being beheaded on youtube? ;)
[12:04:25] clever: havent searched for it:P
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[12:11:44] Puh: dvb_decode_text segfaults for some reason
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[12:23:57] juski: ah bloody thankyou for spoiling '24' radio times monkeys!
[12:24:48] rsdvd: :-) have they given away the ending
[12:25:05] juski: not watched the previous episode yet & the latest showing description gives loads away
[12:25:09] juski: the bastards
[12:25:11] SaLoMoN: Hi
[12:25:33] SaLoMoN: when I try to perform a channel scan
[12:25:41] rsdvd: I have jist got into 24, started watching it from series 1 – 6 episodes a night :-)
[12:25:47] SaLoMoN: mythtv-setup replies "Failes to open card"
[12:25:48] SaLoMoN: :|
[12:25:53] juski: rsdvd: wow that's some commitment
[12:26:09] SaLoMoN: I'm using a card with SAA1734 chip
[12:26:13] SaLoMoN: ananlog
[12:26:15] juski: SaLoMoN: that'll be because it can't open the card. have you tested it & confirmed it works in linux?
[12:26:19] rsdvd: I know – 4 1/2 hours (without ads)
[12:26:21] clever: rsdvd: i often watch over 10 episodes of anime in a day
[12:26:23] SaLoMoN: yes juski
[12:26:27] clever: sometimes 20 i think
[12:26:34] SaLoMoN: it works with tvtime motv xawtv etc
[12:26:56] juski: SaLoMoN: and the user you're running mythtv-setup as is privileged enough to use the tuner?
[12:26:58] rsdvd: SaLoMoN : the card is not in use by something else is it?
[12:27:03] SaLoMoN: maybe i can find a more detailled error message
[12:27:18] juski: and you selected the right kind of card (v4l) in mythtv-setup??
[12:27:19] SaLoMoN: i think he is juski but i'll look^^
[12:27:23] SaLoMoN: yes^^
[12:27:42] juski: it's more than likely a simple permissions problem
[12:28:04] SaLoMoN: No device tree for cardid 0
[12:28:31] juski: device tree?
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[12:28:56] juski: v4l devices get /dev/video0 or whatever & that's it don't they?
[12:28:58] SaLoMoN: yeah
[12:28:59] rsdvd: is it a DVB card?
[12:29:05] SaLoMoN: no analog
[12:29:20] juski: SaLoMoN: you SURE you selected V4L in mythtv-setup?
[12:29:21] clever: my card is also analog v4l and /dev/video*
[12:29:28] SaLoMoN: yes juski absolutely
[12:29:36] SaLoMoN: and it is in /dev/video0
[12:29:37] juski: not DVB ?
[12:29:41] SaLoMoN: ....
[12:29:52] juski: I don't believe it
[12:30:04] SaLoMoN: I know it
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[12:31:43] SaLoMoN: Can mythtv run on a computer with 233mhz?^^
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[12:31:46] SaLoMoN: only the backend
[12:31:58] juski: I'll stick my neck out & say NO
[12:32:16] juski: you maybe could but you really wouldn't want to
[12:32:41] juski: you definitely couldn't get it to record shows using a v4l tuner card & software encoding
[12:32:56] quicksil1er: a 233 mhz computer would have some difficulty accessing hard disks and network cards at reasonable speeds, too
[12:33:08] juski: forget all about that idea
[12:33:14] SaLoMoN: lol
[12:33:22] clever: i have it going on a 1.6ghz
[12:33:23] SaLoMoN: tvtime runs perfect on it
[12:33:49] juski: SaLoMoN: forget it
[12:33:54] SaLoMoN: never^^
[12:33:54] clever: if i made the box devoted to mythtv it would have alot less slowing problems
[12:34:00] SaLoMoN: I'm sure it'll work
[12:34:09] juski: SaLoMoN: it won't work with mythtv on a box that lame
[12:34:24] SaLoMoN: and if it would work?
[12:34:34] juski: it WOULD NOT WORK
[12:34:39] SaLoMoN: it will^^
[12:34:57] juski: that's better
[12:34:59] rsdvd: SaLoMoN : if you are so sure it will work – TRY IT
[12:35:07] juski: signal to noise ratio is getting higher now
[12:35:11] SaLoMoN: yeah but it doenst work
[12:35:12] SaLoMoN: lol
[12:36:36] juski: any more stupid questions?
[12:36:50] SaLoMoN: many
[12:36:58] rsdvd: we noticed :-)
[12:37:11] juski: SaLoMoN: read the docs at www.mythtv.org before asking any more questions
[12:37:16] SaLoMoN: but i'll come back if it works^^
[12:37:26] juski: especially the one about minimum hardware requirements
[12:37:39] rsdvd: will mythtv run on my pocket calculator ?
[12:37:54] clever: lol
[12:38:04] juski: when you watch tv in mythtv you are not just watching TV. mythtv is encoding & compressing it on the fly too
[12:38:12] SaLoMoN: juski, i think the hardware requirements are for the frontend
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[12:38:21] clever: encoding and saving
[12:38:22] juski: you think?!
[12:38:29] clever: and reading it back in and playing and decoding
[12:38:31] SaLoMoN: for both^^
[12:38:43] juski: with software encoding, 233Mhz is nowhere remotely near enough
[12:38:53] juski: 500Mhz is still nowhere near enough
[12:39:06] SaLoMoN: and why can I wathc tv with tvtime?
[12:39:16] juski: because tvtime is just a TV VIEWER
[12:39:19] clever: tvtime does a direct pci-pci transfer i think
[12:39:28] clever: sends the video directly from the input to your video card
[12:39:33] clever: cpu does allmost nothing
[12:39:48] SaLoMoN: cpu does everything
[12:39:54] SaLoMoN: loaded with 50%
[12:40:33] quicksil1er: clever: saa1734s don't hardware encode, though
[12:40:40] quicksil1er: (well mine doesn't)
[12:40:45] clever: but does the video card need encoded vid or raw?
[12:40:51] quicksil1er: ah good point
[12:40:53] ** quicksil1er slaps himself **
[12:40:54] SaLoMoN: i don't know^^
[12:40:59] clever: cant the input spit out raw vid directly to the output
[12:41:32] quicksil1er: clever: yes it could, in principle
[12:41:38] juski: enough!"
[12:41:40] quicksil1er: clever: no idea if linux allows that
[12:41:47] juski: 233 mhz is not enough for a mythtv backend OR frontend
[12:42:01] juski: if you think that sucks, go use something else
[12:42:18] clever: how do i get mythvideo to show the file extensions?
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[12:42:44] clever: i had a problem last night where mplayer was refusing to play the file then i noticed it was a .torrent i was trying to open:P
[12:43:00] SaLoMoN: lol
[12:43:13] clever: yeah
[12:43:20] clever: right beside the torrent was the avi
[12:43:27] clever: but the icons arent labled
[12:43:38] clever: and theres no thumbnails either yet
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[12:43:51] juski: hang on why am I the one that's leaving? I could just start kicking...
[12:43:55] clever: wb juski
[12:44:00] clever: lol
[12:44:08] SaLoMoN: omg
[12:44:09] clever: kick away:P
[12:44:15] clever: aslong as you dont give me a boot
[12:46:13] clever: can a 0.18.1.20050510–1
[12:46:22] clever: frontend interface with a Library API version: 0.20.20070124–1
[12:46:24] clever: backend
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[12:47:36] SaLoMoN: frontend – the bit you (hopefully) see on your screen, which handles the display of the interface, decoding and playback of audio/video streams and user interaction (such as remote controls).
[12:47:40] SaLoMoN: so thers no problem
[12:47:49] SaLoMoN: if the frontend is decoding
[12:48:11] clever: how would i tell the frontend where the backend is?
[12:48:26] clever: i think mythtv-setup is for seting up the backend
[12:48:54] juski: the documentation contains many facts :)
[12:49:00] juski: you should read it some time
[12:49:12] clever: ive allready read a small chunk of it
[12:49:48] quicksil1er: SaLoMoN: the backend has to ENcode though
[12:49:54] quicksil1er: SaLoMoN: which is harder than decoding
[12:49:55] juski: as much as that eh? wow
[12:50:11] SaLoMoN: juski, i think the reason why the users come in here is because they don't want to read the full documentation and they want help
[12:50:23] SaLoMoN: and thats not what you're doing here
[12:50:28] SaLoMoN: bad community :/
[12:51:17] quicksil1er: I'm much more interested in helping out users who did read the documentation, but still got stuck somewhere
[12:51:19] juski: if users don't read the full documentation they deserve all the brokenness they get
[12:51:27] quicksil1er: why should I give up my free time to help people who are just lazy?
[12:51:43] clever: i dont remember seeing anything yet about telling the frontend how to reach the backend
[12:51:48] clever: in the docs i have read
[12:52:12] SaLoMoN: yeah thats what I meant
[12:52:15] SaLoMoN: bad community
[12:52:19] rsdvd: clever – when you start the frontend – the first things it asks is the IP of the master backend
[12:52:36] SaLoMoN: unfriendly
[12:52:37] juski: it doesn't
[12:52:39] qu0zl: clever, find and read a how-to for your platform of choice. that's a sensible first step
[12:52:46] qu0zl: it'll answer all the common steps
[12:52:53] qu0zl: probably everything you actually need to know
[12:52:59] clever: rsdvd: i allready ran this frontend with a local backend
[12:53:13] juski: SaLoMoN: if you can't be assed to read the docs then either shut up or leave
[12:53:17] clever: so it wont ask me again for the backend enless i manualy change it somewhere
[12:53:30] juski: you can't just cheery pick what you want to read about & expect us to do the work for you
[12:53:39] SaLoMoN: I AM reading the docs
[12:53:55] SaLoMoN: but i don't think that i'll get real help here
[12:54:00] SaLoMoN: so I'm gonna leave
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[12:54:08] juski: asshole
[12:54:17] rsdvd: lol....was he for real or just a troll
[12:54:54] clever: my best guess so far is that the backend ip is in mysql
[12:55:00] qu0zl: for real i think, he couldn't understand why you guys weren't more helpful when you're paid so well to do this job
[12:55:03] clever: so ive changed the mysql.txt to send it to the backends server
[12:55:07] juski: clever: good guess
[12:55:20] clever: i dont see any other config files yet
[12:55:21] quicksil1er: clever: I beelive you can just go into 'setup' on the crontend
[12:55:26] quicksil1er: frontend
[12:55:32] juski: I think what pissed me off more was the fact he wan't actually listening
[12:55:35] quicksil1er: or whatever that menu item is called
[12:55:35] clever: i'll check that next
[12:56:04] clever: may need to regrant the perms to work outside of localhost in mysql
[12:56:20] qu0zl: yep clever
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[12:56:28] rsdvd: clever ; yes – everything is in the database except how to find the databse (obviuosly) which is in mysql.txt
[12:56:36] clever: and the mysql docs are alot easyer for me to read
[12:56:50] juski: work is ongoing for mythtv boxes to find one another, FYI
[12:57:04] clever: yeah i heard its using upnp
[12:57:08] rsdvd: juski : using upnp?
[12:57:12] clever: see:P
[12:57:21] rsdvd: :-)
[12:58:11] juski: I can't even begin to imagine how bad things will become if myth is ever ported to windows
[12:58:36] clever: lol
[12:58:46] fryfrog: what would be the point, there are already plenty of apps for tv recording on windows
[12:58:49] clever: got the grant done on the first try without even touching manuals:P
[12:59:25] clever: oops
[12:59:30] clever: server uses protocol 32
[12:59:37] clever: client(frontend) is version 15
[12:59:39] juski: fryfrog: people want it, by some misguided assumption that it's a good idea
[12:59:54] clever: you said it would work:P
[13:00:06] juski: clever: they have to be the same version!
[13:00:17] clever: now you tell me:P
[13:00:17] rsdvd: juski : I have to admit I would like a full windows frontend – all my desktos are windows
[13:00:18] juski: and jesus! how old is your frontend?
[13:00:27] clever: over 15 months i heard
[13:00:37] clever: i removed the packaged version and put source on the other box
[13:00:54] clever: left the package on my laptop since i wasnt using it
[13:00:55] juski: rsdvd: bah to that
[13:00:59] rsdvd: lol
[13:01:14] clever: cant get a old package and a recent svn source to share the tv card over the lan:P
[13:01:16] juski: I'll contrive to make sure my themes don't work in the windows port
[13:01:26] rsdvd: lol
[13:01:56] juski: just make them use more ram ;)
[13:02:15] juski: you know how well windows manages memory...
[13:02:24] clever: yeah
[13:02:33] clever: i increased my ram by 50%
[13:02:43] clever: and it still cant handle a 50% increase in load
[13:02:59] clever: added 256 to a 512
[13:03:07] clever: and tryed running a 3rd mirc window for services
[13:03:15] clever: many scripts and channels in all 3
[13:03:41] clever: i beleive windows was running out of handles
[13:03:54] clever: linux also has handles within X that let programs share things
[13:04:05] quicksil1er: erm what does '50% more ram' have to do with '50% more load' :P
[13:04:08] clever: such as imbeding 1 program in another just by naming the ip
[13:04:09] clever: id*
[13:04:09] quicksil1er: (very little)
[13:04:23] clever: load as in programs running side by side
[13:04:29] quicksil1er: yes, you need more CPUs for that
[13:04:33] quicksil1er: not more RAM
[13:04:47] clever: cpu is often under 50%
[13:04:54] clever: and that doesnt explain the error
[13:04:56] clever: its not a slowness
[13:05:04] clever: its failing to alocate something to make new windows
[13:05:15] clever: a slow cpu wouldnt cause it to fail
[13:05:23] clever: it would cause it to be slow
[13:05:23] quicksil1er: you said 'load', that's all
[13:05:41] quicksil1er: I have no idea what of the thousands of ways windows have of failing you encountered :P
[13:05:53] quicksil1er: but I'm not surprised that adding RAM didn't fix it
[13:05:54] clever: :P
[13:06:08] clever: if adding ram would have fixed it
[13:06:17] clever: it should have been able to just use swap instead
[13:06:23] clever: which wasnt full
[13:07:09] clever: also once it reaches the point where mirc is failing to make windows
[13:07:19] clever: other things also start to fail without warning
[13:07:30] clever: winscp gives an error on startup about alocating something
[13:07:40] clever: context menus(right click) refuse to come up
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[13:08:02] clever: sections of IE windows fail to show up causing it to be missing 70% of its buttons
[13:08:25] clever: some common shortage thruout the winblows os
[13:08:41] rsdvd: sounds more like you have something running that is not realsing resources correctly
[13:08:55] clever: if i run /scid -a killpms
[13:09:02] clever: it will run the killpms cmd on all connections
[13:09:10] clever: which i made to kill(close) every pm window
[13:09:14] clever: then everything runs fine
[13:09:38] clever: so each pm window seems to be using part of that resource and using it all up
[13:10:20] clever: found a post about that error comming up when playing a game in mirc
[13:10:24] clever: *Error Creating Window* Is not a syntax error. It's a system error. Windows has a limit on how many windows it can open, this is approximately 600 on my system. Tron opens 400+ windows. I'm not sure why people are getting this error. Possibly because of their O/S
[13:11:54] quicksil1er: to be honest I would consider that a bug in mIRC, if it is consuming such huge amounts of a limited resource
[13:12:06] quicksil1er: still, it's off-topic so let's let it drop :)
[13:12:15] clever: i blame winblows for making the resources so limited to begin with:P
[13:12:30] clever: what would happen if the window id in X was 1 byte large?
[13:12:44] clever: 256 windows max may seem like alot yesterday
[13:12:46] clever: :P
[13:13:13] clever: same reason 32bit wide cpu's seem like overkill and now there being replaced with 64
[13:14:14] clever: http://weblogs.asp.net/kdente/archive/2004/06/04/148145.aspx explains alot more details and symptoms
[13:14:27] clever: he is having it alot with IE not mirc
[13:15:36] clever: 10 ie windows a few other progs and a gig of ram:P
[13:16:48] clever: this static value is used to prevent ill- behaved applications from consuming too many resources”. Well, apparently it IE meets the “ill-behaved” criteria,
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[13:16:56] clever: ahhhhhhh :D
[13:17:22] clever: static limit for the desktop head size
[13:17:29] clever: 3mb max eww:P
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[13:26:13] issues: hey
[13:27:02] issues: setting up my capture card audio in using alsa? i know its Analog Mix using gnome-record
[13:27:17] issues: so what sthe format for Audio device?
[13:34:33] quicksil1er: issues: you mean, an analogue TV card whose audio track comes as an alsa input device?
[13:39:50] issues: yeh a patch lead
[13:40:06] issues: it comes in via line and Analog Mix
[13:40:32] issues: capture card setup i type "ALSA:Analog Mix" ?
[13:44:08] juski: should be line in or cd in
[13:44:51] juski: and you need it muted in the playback section of the mixer or you'll hear echo
[13:45:22] juski: this is covered in the documentation, specifically the section about setting up audio & troubleshooting audio
[13:46:03] quicksil1er: I thought mythtv didn't support recording input from alsa devices
[13:46:03] quicksil1er: ?
[13:46:06] quicksil1er: I'm sure I was told that when I asked about it...
[13:46:17] quicksil1er: I foudn an OSS driver instead, for my card
[13:46:29] issues: juski: its Analog Mix
[13:46:44] issues: line in -> Analog Mix
[13:47:02] issues: i can record with other programs
[13:47:09] issues: but not mplayer or mythtv :/
[13:47:16] juski: isn't that just a mixture of all analogue inputs though?
[13:47:28] issues: i guess i could mux the audio together later :P
[13:47:54] issues: Its the Master Capture controller.
[13:48:15] issues: anyhow doesnt work..cant be bother..getting DVB-T soon
[13:48:34] issues: i can also patch it around with jack.
[13:48:54] issues: just no luck getting mythtv or mplayer to rec.
[13:49:07] quicksil1er: I was under the distinct impression that myth could only record from OSS devices
[13:49:11] quicksil1er: a.ka. /dev/dspX
[13:49:18] issues: quicksil1er: perhaps your right
[13:49:36] quicksil1er: that's certainly what I was told when I asked, but juski seems to think otherwise
[13:50:02] issues: well i think it could record with alsa as well (same with mplayer) but as a new HW device.
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[13:56:10] quicksil1er: issues: one which is actually provided by your soundcard
[13:56:13] quicksil1er: TVcard, I mean
[13:56:21] quicksil1er: well it depends, how the data is getting through
[13:56:29] quicksil1er: you talked about a patch lead
[13:56:36] quicksil1er: so maybe I do mean soundcard
[13:56:44] issues: its an old very flacky bt878 can only get audio coming into line in.
[13:56:45] quicksil1er: my TV card sends the sound data over the PCI bus
[13:56:49] issues: yeh
[13:57:13] quicksil1er: in my case it's /dev/dsp1, for example
[13:57:13] issues: infact i kinda dont think it ever sent audio over pci
[13:57:17] issues: yep
[13:57:33] issues: ive had this card since around..99?
[13:57:42] issues: LOL
[14:01:48] issues: 05:08.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 02)
[14:02:16] issues: technically
[14:02:38] clever: i have a similar card
[14:02:45] clever: which i got from my uncle
[14:04:24] issues: never could get that module to work
[14:04:28] issues: snd_bt87x
[14:06:21] clever: i havent tryed feeding the aud thru my bt card yet
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[14:06:52] issues: no sound over pci either?
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[14:07:31] clever: i feed the sound into a normal pci audio card
[14:07:52] issues: yeh thats what i did, cant record it with myth or mplayer though
[14:08:03] clever: i set myth to use /dev/dsp1
[14:08:41] issues: hmm
[14:08:48] TTT_Travis: have and older computer that I want to use as a mythtv frontend/backend just to watch videos off my computer
[14:08:56] clever: i just had to set the audio device under the capture card settings in mythtv-setup
[14:08:56] TTT_Travis: whats the best way to install?
[14:08:59] TTT_Travis: like what OS
[14:09:07] clever: TTT_Travis: what cpu/ram?
[14:09:15] TTT_Travis: Celeron 700
[14:09:26] TTT_Travis: I just want to know the easiest way to install
[14:09:29] TTT_Travis: 512 ram
[14:09:31] clever: that might handle it:)
[14:09:33] issues: clever: i bet snd_bt87x gave you that dsp
[14:09:38] TTT_Travis: it handled it fine before
[14:09:40] issues: because that shouldnt work.
[14:09:44] TTT_Travis: I just haven't used it in a long time
[14:09:56] clever: issues: dsp1 is oss emulation
[14:10:08] clever: its emulating 2 oss devices for the 2 alsa devices
[14:10:48] TTT_Travis: which is better Mythdora or Knoppmyth?
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[14:10:56] clever: snt_bt87x isnt loaded issues
[14:11:18] clever: TTT_Travis: i dont use either of those but i know using it on ubuntu was alot of work:P
[14:11:33] issues: oh ok
[14:11:38] TTT_Travis: yeah my other box is ubuntu
[14:11:45] TTT_Travis: kind of a pain for what I want
[14:11:46] issues: clever: but if you play mp3s it will record them too ya know
[14:11:50] TTT_Travis: I will try mythdora I think
[14:11:55] clever: ubuntu has a package in it for mythtv but its ages old and full of bugs
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[14:12:47] TTT_Travis: actually mythdora link is broke
[14:12:51] TTT_Travis: maybe knoppmyth then
[14:13:00] clever: :)
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[14:16:39] juski: ubunut wedgy has 0.20 packages
[14:16:48] plb: anyone help me out here. I am trying to run mythtv-setup but it keeps saying Unknown database 'mythconverg'
[14:17:10] plb: i dunno nothing about mysql
[14:17:14] juski: Enotreadthedocs!
[14:18:03] juski: plb: one of the 1st things you're supposed to do before running mythtv-setup is to initialise the mythconverg database
[14:18:34] juski: something like mysql -u mythtv -p < mc.sql
[14:18:57] plb: ubuntu docs are for shit then because it says nothing about that
[14:19:01] juski: if you're using ubunut the mythtv-database packages does that for you
[14:19:13] juski: ah
[14:19:30] juski: so maybe you have the wrong password for the mysql mythtv user
[14:19:54] juski: mythtv-database makes a random mysql password for its mythtv user account & stores it in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[14:20:05] plb: yeah
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[14:20:08] plb: i changed that
[14:20:11] juski: you won't find that in their docs either but that's not our fault
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[14:20:29] juski: plb: you will need to change the *actual* mysql password for the mythtv user too
[14:20:41] plb: how?
[14:20:55] plb: i changed the one in mysql.txt to mythtv
[14:21:00] juski: do you know how to use google? search for "change mysql password"
[14:21:07] gbee: mysqladmin
[14:21:14] juski: and then complain to the package maintainer it's all screwed up
[14:22:10] plb: hrm
[14:22:19] juski: I'm sick & tired of getting all these ubuntu caused problems in here
[14:22:22] plb: ok i logged into mysql as mythtv user
[14:22:32] plb: set password = password("yournewpassword");
[14:22:33] plb: did that
[14:22:42] plb: but still get the same error
[14:22:49] juski: does the database exist?
[14:22:51] rsdvd: what database are you in? use mythconverg
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[14:23:02] juski: try entering "use mythconverg"
[14:23:13] ** rsdvd yells snap **
[14:23:20] plb: mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg
[14:23:21] plb: ?
[14:23:24] plb: like that
[14:23:25] juski: yup
[14:23:30] plb: Unknown database 'mythconverg'
[14:23:33] plb: bah
[14:23:34] juski: ah
[14:23:40] rsdvd: well then you have not got the database installed
[14:23:47] juski: locate mc.sql
[14:23:54] plb: found it
[14:24:14] juski: now do mysql -u root < mc.sql
[14:24:22] juski: whatever the full path of mc.sql is
[14:24:45] juski: plb: are you using dapper or something?
[14:24:55] clever: that sets the pw to mythtv when ran acording to my copy of mc.sql
[14:25:14] plb: nope edgy but it's working now
[14:25:21] plb: shitty docs
[14:25:31] juski: heheh
[14:25:34] plb: mentions nothing about that
[14:25:34] juski: shitty ubunut
[14:25:44] clever: when i installed on ubuntu
[14:25:55] clever: the window with apt-get asked me for the root pw
[14:26:02] clever: and then it made the database for me and username
[14:26:09] plb: yeah did it for me too
[14:26:12] clever: and put the randomly made pw into mysql.txt
[14:26:17] plb: yeah
[14:26:19] juski: yup yup yup
[14:26:22] juski: and it didn't tell you
[14:26:24] clever: i think it also asked for the db name
[14:26:41] clever: i was able to open mysql.txt and steal the pw to check things
[14:26:41] juski: or did it tell you? if it did you have superm1 to thank for that
[14:26:51] plb: ubuntu likely just swiped it from that debian repository
[14:27:00] plb: cause i get the same configure error as i did in debian at the end lol
[14:27:06] juski: they have a big to do list of stuff to fix like that
[14:27:19] clever: the mysql.txt is mode 660 mythtv:mythtv
[14:27:34] clever: so only mythtv should be able to view the pw for everything else
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[14:28:13] plb: maybe i should go back to debian when etch is released heh
[14:28:24] clever: lol
[14:28:33] clever: im using ubuntu on 2 boxes
[14:28:44] plb: ubuntu isn't bad
[14:28:56] fryfrog: I'm ready to go back to gentoo, when I build seperate servers for all my jazz :/
[14:29:09] fryfrog: I also wish I had stayed with -fixes svn instead of moving to "head"
[14:29:18] plb: i used gentoo for about a year until i got tired of waiting for stuff to compile
[14:29:30] fryfrog: it wasn't waiting that bothered me
[14:29:40] juski: ubuntu ain't bad but it ain't 'awesome' that's for sure
[14:29:48] fryfrog: it was having *so* much stuff on *one* system that a break would cause problems
[14:29:52] plb: juski, what is awesome? ;]
[14:29:58] fryfrog: ie apache, samba, nfs, mythtv, etc
[14:30:08] juski: I dunno what is awesome, but I know ubuntu isn't
[14:30:13] plb: lol
[14:30:17] fryfrog: ubuntu is an *awsome* desktop
[14:30:19] clever: my theP4 box has mythtv front/back and mysqld and apache and a php script i made
[14:30:25] fryfrog: but ... maybe not so much an awsome myth fe/be
[14:30:27] clever: and its nfs mounted and mounting other linux's
[14:30:31] juski: awesome, by definition is something that inspires a feeling of awe. no linux distro could make me feel that
[14:30:43] juski: therefore, it cannot be 'awesome'
[14:31:00] fryfrog: ubuntu with xgl, ftw!
[14:31:20] clever: lol
[14:31:21] juski: same thing as "ubuntu is awesome"
[14:31:46] issues: ur a grumpy old mang
[14:31:51] issues: :P
[14:32:00] juski: you prolly use the word too much aswell
[14:32:07] juski: it loses its meaning
[14:32:26] issues: yes
[14:32:28] fryfrog: juski is a grumpy old man :p
[14:32:33] issues: IM AWESOME
[14:33:02] ** clever starts a second mythtv frontend on the same box **
[14:33:08] clever: this one thru x11 forwarding
[14:33:13] juski: I'm a grumpy old man with privilege though
[14:34:25] gbee: I've never used ubuntu, but nothing I've seen in the screenshots seems different, let alone better
[14:34:52] fryfrog: the nice part of ubuntu (for me at least) is debian
[14:35:26] fryfrog: asside from portage, apt is one of my favorites
[14:35:47] juski: I think my beef is mostly with the community & packagers
[14:36:11] gbee: there are elements of apt I like, but I marginally prefer urpmi (the lastest version in particular)
[14:36:38] quicksil1er: juski's grumpiness is awesome, in fact!
[14:36:43] gbee: still haven't figured out smart, don't get it at all
[14:36:57] plb: what do you use
[14:36:58] plb: juski, so what do you use?
[14:37:01] fryfrog: SMART as in, for hard drives?
[14:37:10] plb: how is that neon theme comin along anyway
[14:37:14] gbee: no, smart as in the package manager
[14:37:16] plb: agreed
[14:37:17] imperfect-: Howdy, anyone know what I have to do to get Myth to export my media list over uPNP
[14:37:18] plb: and it's updated regularly
[14:37:20] fryfrog: aoh
[14:37:20] juski: plb: ubunut, but I built mythtv 0.20-fixes from source
[14:37:28] plb: who ever packages mythtv really needs to fix it
[14:37:41] gbee: imperfect-: what version are you using?
[14:37:58] juski: first time I tried the packages I had problems getting it to work because I didn't know about the password randomness
[14:37:58] imperfect-: gbee: svn from last week.
[14:38:05] imperfect-: gbee: I see the categories but no media
[14:38:12] fryfrog: juski: ah, yes that got me too
[14:38:42] juski: straighten that and other simple stuff out & it could be on the right road at least
[14:39:11] gbee: imperfect-: ahh, umm I've no clue – from what I understand it should work
[14:39:17] fryfrog: i wonder, do you think i can carry over my recorded shows list, my recordings and my schedules from svn head -> svn -fixes?
[14:39:36] imperfect-: Yeah
[14:39:40] imperfect-: Vista doesn't see the meida
[14:39:42] imperfect-: it's lame!
[14:39:43] imperfect-: ;)
[14:40:02] imperfect-: I dunno if I'm not doing something right or what?
[14:41:02] juski: imperfect-: depends on the client
[14:41:21] juski: works great with nero showcentre (or whatever they call it)
[14:41:22] gbee: vista? hmm, that might be a special case, being an M$ product anything is possible
[14:41:27] gardengnome: juski: hey, any progress with the 4:3 version of neon-wide?
[14:41:28] ** gardengnome runs **
[14:41:37] Milosch: imperfect-: i tried with vista a couple of weeks ago and saw the same thing
[14:41:40] ** juski kickbans gardengnome **
[14:41:43] rsdvd: welcome back gardengnome
[14:41:48] gardengnome: hi rsdvd
[14:41:49] plb: juski, I elect you to setup a proper repo for ubuntu and mythtv =)
[14:42:00] juski: plb: no, I elect you to do it
[14:42:07] ** gbee sends a bolt of lightning in gardengnome's direction **
[14:42:12] imperfect-: Milosch : lame ;)
[14:42:17] Milosch: yep
[14:42:21] gardengnome: plb: what's broken in the mythtv packages for ubuntu?
[14:42:30] rsdvd: gardengnome : I managed to get minimyth to build last nught :-)
[14:42:35] juski: what's lame? vista or the fact it won't talk to a backend properly?
[14:42:36] gardengnome: gbee: fried gardengnome :'(
[14:42:43] gardengnome: rsdvd: cool. :)
[14:42:48] juski: or both?
[14:42:53] Milosch: maybe both
[14:43:02] Milosch: but definitely the media issue...
[14:43:23] gbee: rhetorical question ;)
[14:43:28] imperfect-: vista is actually pretyt pimp
[14:43:28] imperfect-: ;)
[14:43:34] rsdvd: gardengnome / juski : do either of you know where the finished filesystems end up in gar-minimyth?
[14:43:35] imperfect-: Its purty
[14:43:51] gbee: that about sums it up, all surface no substance
[14:43:59] imperfect-: Eh
[14:44:06] imperfect-: I'm not into MS bashing when they don't deserve it
[14:44:09] gardengnome: rsdvd: script/meta/minimyth/work/ AFAIR
[14:44:09] imperfect-: This is pretty nice
[14:44:24] fryfrog: i've been wanting to goto the vista for the pretty
[14:44:41] imperfect-: It's comparable to beryl
[14:44:44] fryfrog: but it is aparantly slower than XP in pretty much everything, and needs like 2G just to be spiffy
[14:44:45] imperfect-: w/o the effects ;)
[14:44:50] qu0zl: we just got an amd dual-core turion laptop with a gig of ram and vista is a bloody dog on it
[14:44:50] gbee: yeah, looks great, but there really isn't anything new – not worth paying for imho
[14:44:54] qu0zl: and unstable as hell
[14:44:55] fryfrog: I <3 my ubuntu w/ beryl
[14:44:57] imperfect-: oh
[14:44:58] imperfect-: well
[14:45:01] fryfrog: i like the fire and beam effect :)
[14:45:02] imperfect-: I don't pay for anything
[14:45:03] imperfect-: ;)
[14:45:04] imperfect-: If i had to pay
[14:45:07] imperfect-: That's be another story
[14:45:13] fryfrog: i wouldn't mind getting it with anew pc
[14:45:24] fryfrog: and the cache to flash drives is a neat idea
[14:45:31] fryfrog: as well as the hard drives with flash cache built in
[14:45:42] gardengnome: rsdvd: you can also tell minimyth to 'install', eg copy the files to some other location
[14:45:43] fryfrog: 2G ram + 4G of flash cache, spiffyness
[14:46:30] rsdvd: gardengnome : I thought I had – but it didn't cop them to the tftp like I expected....but I have found them now
[14:48:36] imperfect-: Is there no config for uPNP
[14:48:40] imperfect-: its' just automagic?
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[14:57:01] juski: the bad thing about caching to flash is the limited number of read/write cycles flash has
[14:58:24] gardengnome: if you can afford a retail version of windows vista, that shouldn't be a problem ;)
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[15:00:54] sebrock: anyone has experience with lirc and the Silverstone LC16M case?
[15:01:47] fryfrog: juski: do you build deb packages?
[15:01:55] sebrock: everything is finished except LCD (I will give it a try now) and the blackbird decoder
[15:02:29] juski: fryfrog: pleh. of course not
[15:02:40] sebrock: uu new kernel I see
[15:02:43] juski: but if I did they'd be as half-assed as my themes
[15:02:51] fryfrog: so how do you use -fixes as svn?
[15:03:01] juski: eh?
[15:03:03] fryfrog: ie, ./configure and make install?
[15:03:06] sandeen: sebrock, that case looks nice, thought about getting that one
[15:03:21] juski: I just build from source – no messing with making my own debs
[15:03:23] fryfrog: sorry, i meant do you build .deb packages of -fixes for yourself?
[15:03:26] fryfrog: ahh, kk
[15:03:34] sebrock: sandeen, it is indeed, I like the remote as well
[15:03:42] GreyFoxx: PAckages suck
[15:03:57] fryfrog: well, i used svn and make install and all that
[15:03:59] gardengnome: fryfrog: you can just svn co, extract the debian/ directory into the checkout, run dch -v 0.20–1blafoo; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[15:04:00] sebrock: sandeen, I think if they put a new display in it these days, a much nicer one
[15:04:00] GreyFoxx: They are more trouble than they are worth
[15:04:06] fryfrog: so uh, how do i *uninstall* :/
[15:04:17] GreyFoxx: fryfrog: make uninstall
[15:04:26] fryfrog: does myth include that?
[15:04:30] GreyFoxx: I believe so
[15:04:32] gardengnome: GreyFoxx: it's convenient to have your own repository so all computers can run the same version of mythtv. less trouble, imho
[15:04:34] GreyFoxx: though I have never used it
[15:04:41] gardengnome: but they are a lot of work, though
[15:04:42] GreyFoxx: I just overwrite each time
[15:04:58] fryfrog: i'm wondering how happy it will be when i overwrite svn head with svn fixes
[15:05:06] fryfrog: i imagine it should be okay
[15:05:16] fryfrog: i'll find out :)
[15:05:35] juski: fryfrog: you can't revert a head database to a -fixes one easily unless you're talking about restoring a backup
[15:06:10] fryfrog: yeah, either i'll go from scratch
[15:06:17] fryfrog: or i'll try to keep my "recorded shows" table
[15:06:22] juski: you can do that :)
[15:06:25] fryfrog: maybe recordings if possible
[15:06:33] fryfrog: and also hopefully scheduled recordings
[15:06:45] juski: recorded, recording, channel, record, recordedmarkup should do it
[15:06:45] fryfrog: but that is easier to re-create than the other 2
[15:06:54] fryfrog: oh, yeah shit
[15:06:55] fryfrog: thanks
[15:07:02] juski: and videosource
[15:07:04] fryfrog: my channel would have been ass hard to re-create
[15:07:07] juski: and cardinput
[15:07:16] fryfrog: i'm okay with re-setting up the cards
[15:07:29] fryfrog: but the channel line up i had to do by hand
[15:10:14] plb: gardengnome, broken? nothing but nothing seems configured properly and docs are screwed up
[15:10:14] plb: juski, should be the mythtv maintainer for ubuntu
[15:11:02] gardengnome: no, he'll have to bring us peace on earth first ;)
[15:11:42] gardengnome: AFAIR superm1 does a great job, no need to replace him ;)
[15:11:56] rsdvd: lol – did juski kill him then> he said jsuki should be the maintainer or ubuntu and then he vanished
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[15:17:16] rsdvd: gardengnome : I was expecting to find a full compiled filesystem within this gar build I could change and then tar.bz2 to create a netbootable image – have I misunderstood how this works?
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[15:18:25] stuarta: afternoon all
[15:18:26] gardengnome: rsdvd: you can extract the nfs-* tarball to create a file system for tinkering and fiddling.
[15:19:23] rsdvd: ok – then what was the advantage of build it from source – I could have just downloaded the nfs* from the linpvr site
[15:19:36] gardengnome: rsdvd: but if you'd like to add new software properly, you'll have to create a Makefile for it.
[15:20:12] sebrock: sorry how do I check if my headers and kernel match?
[15:20:35] gardengnome: rsdvd: see, gar-minimyth is used to build a customized linux distribution from scratch: minimyth. if we want to modify minimyth, eg to add support for the s100, we'll have to modify the build process a little bit
[15:21:20] rsdvd: ok – I think! I need to do more playing to get my head round this
[15:21:25] gardengnome: rsdvd: ..in order to make changes to the distro. just hacking up a tarball is not a good way to do it because it'll be hard to incorporate your changes into newer versions of minimyth
[15:21:30] gardengnome: rsdvd: same here ;)
[15:21:40] rsdvd: :-)
[15:21:45] gardengnome: rsdvd: FYI: most of the stuff is already there.
[15:21:56] rsdvd: I might ask pablo for some advice :-)
[15:22:09] rsdvd: pablo said that Xorg 6.7 would be a big problem
[15:22:14] gardengnome: did he?
[15:22:19] sebrock: anyone? where can I check if my headers and kernel match?
[15:22:33] gardengnome: sebrock: why do you keep repeating your question?! that's irritating
[15:22:46] gardengnome: rsdvd: why would you need xorg 6.7?
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[15:22:50] rsdvd: gardengnome : "Building with Xorg 6.7 would not be easy. The oldest version of Xorg ever used by GAR MiniMyth was Xorg 6.8. However, Xorg 6.8 stopped being the default after the 12 release and was dropped from the build system after the 20 release. "
[15:23:04] sebrock: I know you guys knows the answer and its so easy to just say it
[15:23:12] rsdvd: becuase IEGD 5.0 only works with Xorg 6.7
[15:23:22] gardengnome: rsdvd: there's IEGD 6.1
[15:23:26] Zider: sebrock: it's also on sevceral sites in googles database. go fetch.
[15:23:26] sebrock: aslo, it could have been missed in this hot discussion
[15:23:43] sebrock: cant find it, I tried...
[15:23:43] rsdvd: but that does not list i830 as a supported chip
[15:23:57] GreyFoxx: rsdvd: I don't think 5.0 does either
[15:24:01] gardengnome: rsdvd: hrm. it should be supported. i think greyfoxx tried it
[15:24:14] GreyFoxx: Neither lists i830 in any of the docs I've seen
[15:24:23] GreyFoxx: It just works
[15:24:30] rsdvd: ok.....I will go with that.
[15:24:38] rsdvd: GreyFoxx : have you got it working with minimyth?
[15:24:48] GreyFoxx: I don't use minimyth
[15:24:55] rsdvd: :-(
[15:25:06] gardengnome: sebrock: if people know the answer, they might tell you. asking the same thing twice in *2* minutes is just annoying
[15:25:07] GreyFoxx: I use slackware on all of my machines, even the netbooting ones :)
[15:25:10] rsdvd: what distro have you got working then?
[15:25:16] rsdvd: ok
[15:25:21] sebrock: gah
[15:25:47] rsdvd: sebrock : uname -r will give you your running kernel
[15:26:01] gardengnome: rsdvd: did you find script/X11/IEGD/
[15:26:18] sebrock: yes, I know my header, how about the headers is it /usr/scr/ ?
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[15:26:41] rsdvd: depends where you installed them :-)
[15:26:51] sebrock: rsdvd, default ubuntu I guess :d
[15:27:08] gardengnome: /lib/modules/`uname `r/build or something
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[15:27:19] gardengnome: sebrock: did you actually bother to ls /usr/src/?
[15:27:21] rsdvd: gardengnome : I am still trying to workout the directory structre of this Gar.....
[15:27:38] gardengnome: rsdvd: it's confusing
[15:27:54] rsdvd: I noticed
[15:28:02] sebrock: gardengnome, I did...
[15:28:28] rsdvd: gardengnome : that script says IEGD 6.1...so does that mean it is already included?
[15:28:49] gardengnome: rsdvd: yep. you'll have to get IEGD 6.1 from intels website and put it under download/
[15:29:10] rsdvd: ok – then rebuild ?
[15:29:25] gardengnome: rsdvd: i don'
[15:29:32] gardengnome: t know if it'll be included.
[15:29:37] gardengnome: let me check
[15:30:19] rsdvd: there is already a IEGD_6_1_Linux.tgz in the download directory
[15:30:28] gardengnome: oh
[15:30:28] gardengnome: nifty
[15:30:42] rsdvd: :-)
[15:31:01] rsdvd: how do I know if it has built that into the final builds?
[15:31:40] gardengnome: rsdvd: you'd check for the presence of the files listed in script/X11/IEGD/Makefile in the tarball
[15:32:05] rsdvd: ok
[15:33:02] juski: there's a script to install it? wicked! :)
[15:33:16] gardengnome: juski: pablo had almost everything ready
[15:33:29] gardengnome: there are just some config files missing i'd say ;)
[15:33:38] juski: ah those :)
[15:33:44] juski: I can furnish them I think
[15:33:49] gardengnome: juski: no worries
[15:34:05] gardengnome: juski: IEGD 6.1 is fully configurable through xorg.conf. no more .pcf annoyances o/
[15:34:13] juski: yeah I read that
[15:35:10] juski: wtf was plb on about? he's gonna piss me off if he carries on like that
[15:36:34] Eradan: Morning all ...
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[15:39:00] juski: plb> juski, should be the mythtv maintainer for ubuntu.. explain...
[15:39:36] plb: heh
[15:39:49] plb: what do you want me to explain?
[15:39:59] rsdvd: LOL
[15:40:18] rsdvd: juski : what scripts do you think are missing for this IEGD
[15:40:27] juski: rsdvd: I've not seen em yet
[15:40:38] rsdvd: If I can get it built I will offer it up for the rest of you (if you want)
[15:40:50] gardengnome: rsdvd: there are no scripts missing.
[15:40:51] juski: but from what gardengnome just said, maybe on;y xorg.conf
[15:41:08] juski: plb: well, I think you should go to hell :)
[15:41:27] gardengnome: juski, rsdvd: well, the kernel might need some patching wrt DRI support. but that's not crucial.
[15:41:43] plb: lol
[15:41:45] rsdvd: gardengnome : so it will just be xorg.conf then......so youthink this is probably bootable now?
[15:41:57] plb: juski, how is that neon theme coming along?
[15:42:04] juski: plb: NOYB
[15:42:10] gardengnome: juski, rsdvd: mythtv will also need to be patched because IEGD is slightly broken. but it's possible that intel fixed it
[15:42:21] plb: lol
[15:42:30] juski: gardengnome: yeah I know – it's an easy patch though
[15:42:31] rsdvd: :-( 'slightly broken' in what way
[15:42:34] juski: one liner :)
[15:42:49] ** juski has a dig **
[15:42:52] gardengnome: rsdvd: i never said it wasn't bootable ;) it's just pointless if you don't get tv-out
[15:42:53] rsdvd: a one liner I can add? or will it need s recompiel
[15:43:07] gardengnome: rsdvd: something was/is broken in their Xv support. blue people
[15:43:16] juski: Uncomment //#define USE_HACK_FOR_BROKEN_I420_SUPPORT_IN_DRIVER from
[15:43:16] juski: libs/libmythtv/videoout_xv.cpp
[15:43:17] gardengnome: it will need to be recompiled
[15:43:36] rsdvd: another 5 hours?
[15:43:50] juski: rsdvd: try it first, intel mighta fixed it
[15:44:03] gardengnome: yep
[15:44:05] stuarta: juski: that for the latest "broken" nvidia drivers?
[15:44:14] gardengnome: rsdvd: it should only recompile what you have changed
[15:44:31] rsdvd: cool!
[15:44:32] juski: stuarta: for ATI & intel VGA chipsets with borked colorspaces
[15:44:44] juski: maybe nvidia too, I dunno
[15:44:59] stuarta: yeah, latest nvidia drivers broke it too.
[15:44:59] rsdvd: the S100 will network boot won;t it? without etherboot etc? just have to wait for the message from BIOS
[15:45:08] juski: rsdvd: nope
[15:45:11] gardengnome: rsdvd: are you gonna do a proper patch? a GAR patch? ;)
[15:45:15] stuarta: there was a ticket danielk closed with driver bug...
[15:45:34] rsdvd: gardengnome : if I knew how to – of course :-)
[15:45:40] gardengnome: suwell, i'm really glad then that my geforce 4 mx is not supported by latest nvidia anymore! suckers.
[15:45:44] juski: rsdvd: netbooting really needs a bootloader on the DoM or a usb sticky
[15:46:09] Zider: gardengnome: really? strange, my gf2mx is still supported
[15:46:13] juski: you can't always have to press F10 to netboot
[15:46:18] rsdvd: juski : I thought the BIOS has netbooting – just had to hit F12 or something
[15:46:33] gardengnome: Zider: by the legacy driver.
[15:46:36] Zider: gardengnome: no
[15:46:48] juski: rsdvd: yeah but that's for each & every boot!
[15:46:49] Zider: well, that too
[15:46:55] Zider: but I use the latest
[15:46:57] rsdvd: juski : I was just meaning to test this bild – before I learn howto do netboot/etherboot
[15:46:59] gardengnome: Zider: using nvidia 9746?
[15:47:05] juski: ah ok rsdvd gotcha
[15:47:10] gardengnome: Zider: bah, the legacy driver is just a poor surrogate
[15:47:43] Zider: gardengnome: the 9746 yes
[15:48:12] Zider: gardengnome: isn't the legacy drivers just an older version?
[15:48:15] gardengnome: last time i looked, there was no 9xxx legacy driver
[15:48:21] Zider: I didn't say that
[15:48:21] gardengnome: Zider: no.
[15:48:32] gardengnome: i'm using 93xx now
[15:48:51] gardengnome: well, hop over to www.nvndia.com and get a clue ;)
[15:48:52] Zider: I use the 9746, I can also use legacy-drivers which is 1.0.7184, or the xorg drivers
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[15:49:23] Zider: all three works fine with this card
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[15:49:38] Zider: well, not "fine" with the xorg driver, but it works'
[15:51:12] juski: hahaha just heard a guy at work pronounce Xorg like "zorg".. lol
[15:51:53] juski: presumably he'd say "my sequel" too
[15:52:12] Merlin83b: Heh, a lot of people say sequel server and my sequel.
[15:52:21] Merlin83b: Also, murk for mIRC.
[15:52:21] Zider: gardengnome: I don't see anything there that would indicate that the legacy drivers would be poor in any way, just a bit old
[15:52:23] juski: they need to be eliminated
[15:52:35] quicksil1er: most people I know who are foolish enough to use MS SQL call it sequel server
[15:52:47] quicksil1er: I'm not sure if that's a reflection on the kind of people or...
[15:52:49] Merlin83b: That's the context I first heard it quicksil1er, yeah.
[15:53:04] juski: is web 2.0 an intertube sequel then?
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[15:54:25] Milosch: juski: ick, i hate when people say 'my sequel'
[15:54:25] quicksil1er: web 2.0 is lots and lots of tubes, but the first version of some of the tubes was poor, so those tubes were replaced with sequels
[15:54:41] Milosch: I can't for my first pneumail
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[15:55:29] gardengnome: what does "sequel" mean in that case?
[15:55:44] Milosch: sql
[15:55:47] juski: it means what 'awesome' use to mean
[15:55:52] gardengnome: Milosch: oh
[15:55:54] gardengnome: *cough*
[15:55:56] Milosch: yeah
[15:56:08] gardengnome: Zider: you don't get any new features with them
[15:56:18] Milosch: sequel server, as in the one that came after the other one died
[15:56:19] gardengnome: anyways, i'ver got to go. rsdvd: good luck ;)
[15:56:47] Zider: gardengnome: like what?
[15:57:49] rsdvd: gardengnome : thanks!
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[16:00:57] fysa: Any OS X mythtvers here?
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[16:19:30] juski: I'm gonna kill off this username
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[16:20:45] ** daviey just had a problem with an electrical device, so he called the company, "Sir, was it purchased from ebay" "no, of course not" (bugger) **
[16:21:05] Dr_willis: Rummage Sale. :)
[16:21:24] Dr_willis: "There was a guy in the parking lot.. he had a whole semi of them..."
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[16:38:58] justinh: hello
[16:41:44] gbee: lo juski
[16:42:53] Dr_willis: hi
[16:43:22] justinh: I'm dropping the old nick
[16:43:40] justinh: or rather, have ditched it :)
[16:44:15] justinh: gonna try not to act like an asshole on this nick
[16:44:23] rsdvd: lol
[16:44:37] justinh: start the sweepstakes!
[16:44:49] daviey: juski, any more than usual?
[16:47:43] justinh: anyway I think this way it looks better for the channel if there's one less 'unfriendly' person with a voice here
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[16:48:37] quicksil1er: heh
[16:48:42] quicksil1er: interesting
[16:48:53] quicksil1er: Actually I never thought juski acted like an asshole
[16:49:00] quicksil1er: maybe I knew him better than you, justinh ?
[16:49:24] rsdvd: justinh : things are going from bad to worse – the S100 won;t start up now.....and there is a 'chirping' from the PSU :-(
[16:49:52] justinh: yeah well time for a change
[16:49:57] justinh: rsdvd: ouch
[16:50:18] justinh: you could put it up somewhere for me to try it at some point. dunnp when though – my hands are a bit full
[16:50:36] rsdvd: i will be very upset if this thing is now dead
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[16:51:08] justinh: rsdvd: did you mod it to power a hdd etc?
[16:51:14] justinh: might just be too much load
[16:51:29] rsdvd: no – I never bothered as my HDD was in an external caddie
[16:51:49] justinh: and CD/DVD drive?
[16:52:00] quicksil1er: looks nice enough
[16:52:03] rsdvd: all were in an external USB caddie
[16:52:44] justinh: quicksil1er: that hipermedia thing is hiper noisy in reviews I've seen
[16:52:52] justinh: looks hiper cheap & nasty too
[16:52:53] quicksil1er: ah, shame
[16:52:59] quicksil1er: noisy case fan?
[16:53:05] justinh: noisy PSU
[16:53:08] fryfrog: justinh: for the love of god, don't change! it isn't the same with out your attitude :)
[16:53:56] justinh: I wasn't being nasty to noobs to entertain anybody, and godknows why I feel bad about it
[16:54:16] fryfrog: you shouldn't feel bad about it
[16:54:24] justinh: anyway it's either this or go on a rampage
[16:54:29] fryfrog: if newbies never have anyone who is mean to them, they'll never learn to do anything on their own
[16:54:33] fryfrog: STUPID NEWBIES!
[16:54:58] justinh: tempted to say let them stew in their own excrement
[16:55:29] fryfrog: speaking of newbies...
[16:55:38] fryfrog: does anyone know where db scheme changes tend to be?
[16:55:52] fryfrog: are there certain tables that get most of the updates? some ttables that are relativly stable?
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[16:55:57] justinh: fryfrog: wherever & whenever
[16:56:26] justinh: the only way to be sure is to look at the updatedb code in what you plan to upgrade to
[16:56:41] fryfrog: or downgrade too :/
[16:57:13] gbee: when did they stop doing the pundit-r? really liked that one, probably the best looking barebones imho
[16:57:20] livingtm: being nasty to noobs contributes to keeping the average joe from using linux
[16:58:55] Dr_willis: given some of the idiots/just LAZY people ive seen trying to use linux.... well... i wont go there...
[16:59:16] Dr_willis: "How do i remove Linux? its not in the add/remove Programs area..."
[16:59:23] gbee: only thing that ever stopped me from getting a Pundit-R was that they never did an AMD version, but I came very close to getting one anyway
[16:59:39] Dr_willis: 'thats because its an operating system.... ' "Huh? what do you mean? it dosent run under windows?"
[16:59:49] Dr_willis: thats when i decided to leave the channel...
[16:59:53] Dr_willis: heh heh...
[16:59:54] livingtm: Dr_willis, yeah i understand.. people have to help themselves.. but i just got my dad to switch.. One of the arguements i used to get him to switch was "the support community is great"
[17:00:18] livingtm: Get him in a channel as a newb and told to RTFM the first time he has a question...
[17:00:31] fryfrog: hahaha
[17:00:42] livingtm: makes him reach for his windows disk
[17:00:47] Dr_willis: I have issues with Noobs – that are given sites to go read.. and they Still want to be given step by step instructions on how to 'edit a file'
[17:00:51] fryfrog: i dunno, i wouldn't say the linux support community isn't *great*
[17:00:55] Dr_willis: dont even get me started on windows....
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[17:00:59] luckyone_: hello all
[17:01:00] livingtm: hehe
[17:01:01] fryfrog: i would say that it tends to not be *nice* though
[17:01:18] livingtm: anyhow, i just try to keep that in mind, we all started somewhere :-)
[17:01:20] Dr_willis: WIndows Problem solving ==> try add/remove/reinstalling/clicking at random and hope it works..
[17:01:21] Dr_willis: :)
[17:01:27] livingtm: truedat
[17:01:28] luckyone_: where do you set the user/pass mythtv-backend is trying to use to connect to the mysql server instance?
[17:01:39] livingtm: luckyone_, read the wiki
[17:01:40] livingtm: hehe
[17:01:49] livingtm: luckyone_, ubuntu?
[17:02:22] riddlebox: hrmm going to try to build a mythfrontend, is the xbox a good way to do it?
[17:03:49] justinh: oh for chrissakes not this fucking ubunut password thing again
[17:03:51] riddlebox: luckyone_, the mythtv package creates a mysql user mythtv and a password, so you have to create a mythtv user and log in and do mythtvsetup and thats where you get the mysql password
[17:03:54] livingtm: haha
[17:04:18] livingtm: I added a note about it to the wiki a few days back
[17:04:21] luckyone_: sorry all...
[17:04:35] justinh: which wiki? the mythtv wiki or the awesome.net wiki?
[17:04:36] Dr_willis: Ubuntu packages set a random password for the mysql user 'mythtv'
[17:04:39] Dr_willis: logical eh? :)
[17:04:55] Dr_willis: guess the package scripts asking for a password is.. not a good idea?
[17:05:04] luckyone_: I could either get my backend started or my frontend started, never both...
[17:05:11] luckyone_: they don't use that password though
[17:05:25] Dr_willis: sudo cat /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[17:05:41] Dr_willis: i cheat and set the root users password also. ( *im a bad ubuntu user*
[17:05:56] livingtm: Dr_willis, i never tried that, does it ever break anything?
[17:05:57] luckyone_: they ask for a mysql root account to setup mythconverg and grant privs for the mythtv user
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[17:06:17] livingtm: luckyone_, the database username and password are separate frm the unix user/password
[17:06:18] riddlebox: luckyone_, there is no mysql root password
[17:06:23] luckyone_: but then I didn't know the password for the mythtv user, so I set it by logging into mysqladmin
[17:06:55] luckyone_: riddlebox: yes there is, I have a mysql user named root who as GRANT ALL on *.*
[17:07:15] luckyone_: riddlebox: and that user has a specific password
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[17:07:25] Dr_willis: livingtm, not that ive seen..
[17:07:26] riddlebox: luckyone_, by default when mysql-server is installed it will ask for a password for root, there is no password for root at that point
[17:07:41] luckyone_: riddlebox: I had an existing mysql setup
[17:07:42] livingtm: Dr_willis, im used to it now.. now when i go to my debian box, i keep typing sudo :-)
[17:07:52] riddlebox: luckyone_, ohh ok
[17:08:03] livingtm: by dfault the root password is blank when you install mysql
[17:08:12] luckyone_: agreed
[17:08:13] Dr_willis: i set up all my box's the same way. :) of course its just me on them.. so i can afford to not be as paranoid.
[17:08:16] riddlebox: livingtm, I do that to fedora all the time
[17:08:30] justinh: I once had a discussion with somebody who works for ubuntu about the whole 'needy noob' issue & his attitude seems to be don't try to change the status quo – i.e. just try & put up with all the whiny lazy people & change the software to make it easier for them
[17:08:30] livingtm: ive never used fedora.. one of these days.....
[17:08:58] Dr_willis: i burnt that MythDora dvd and was going to install it.. then realized my MythTV box.. dosent have a dvd drive...
[17:08:59] Dr_willis: :)
[17:08:59] livingtm: justinh, could always move to slack or something if your sick of the ubuntu people :-)
[17:09:08] justinh: it won't stop the voices
[17:09:18] justinh: I could try not coming back in here ever again, that might help
[17:09:24] Dr_willis: I hang in #kubuntu, not #ubuntu, not as many idiots. :)
[17:09:35] Led-Hed: I'm having trouble with MythTV & DPMS, w/ FC6 where Myth doesnt control DSMP for the first Timeout Cycle
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[17:09:50] Dr_willis: then i hang in ##linux – that makes up for the lack of idiots in the other channels...
[17:09:50] Dr_willis: :)
[17:09:58] luckyone_: justinh: sorry about the questions, I didn't read anywhere where the mysql-backend password is stored. And, I am an xubuntu user
[17:10:10] |Torg|: mysql.txt
[17:10:12] riddlebox: Dr_willis, I heard that kde is really fast now, one of these days I will try kubuntu
[17:10:13] livingtm: Dr_willis, I tried KDE the other day for the first time in about a year.. I dont like it.. at least i havent used it enogh to like it
[17:10:17] Dr_willis: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation
[17:10:27] Dr_willis: password information . bottom of the site.
[17:10:32] |Torg|: riddlebox I head that running no WM is even faster
[17:10:34] livingtm: Dr_willis, It seems like there is jsut too much BS in all of the menus
[17:10:40] Dr_willis: Ubuntu packages set a random password for the mysql user 'mythtv'. It can be found in mysql.txt:
[17:10:58] gbee: it's a matter of taste, I really hate gnome but love KDE
[17:11:05] Dr_willis: livingtm, never noticed.. i put the 6 or so programs i run on the panel..and leave it at that.
[17:11:07] livingtm: Dr_willis, and one Windows pet peave of mind was the start menu layout.. layers upon layers upon layers of menus... KDE replicates that
[17:11:11] riddlebox: luckyone_, the easiest thing to do is create a user in ubuntu called mythtv with a password then log in and run mythtvsetup in there like the first or second screen will tell you the mysql password
[17:11:34] Dr_willis: livingtm, at least not every program has a "uninstall" and "update" and "link to some spammy advertisement web site" in the menus
[17:11:37] daviey: I used kde for the first time in 3 years over the weekend; not much has changed. The default fonts look really out of place.
[17:11:38] livingtm: Dr_willis, in that respect gnome is sweet
[17:11:39] luckyone_: riddlebox: yeah, I should have done that
[17:11:47] Dr_willis: livingtm, at at least one user installing Yahoo, dosent force it on everyone else
[17:11:52] Dr_willis: Gnome annoys me. :)
[17:11:52] livingtm: i find myself running gnome, but using all K applications :-)
[17:11:57] riddlebox: luckyone_, you still can
[17:12:05] Dr_willis: customize the menus then.. have fun. :)
[17:12:11] riddlebox: livingtm, k3b is really nice
[17:12:15] livingtm: indeed
[17:12:18] livingtm: so is amarok and digikam
[17:12:23] Dr_willis: I mixx and match all these things.
[17:12:24] luckyone_: riddlebox: meh, now I will just set the DBPassword to what it should be
[17:12:34] daviey: i used both k3b and gnomebaker. Can't really see the diff
[17:12:42] livingtm: there are very few gnome "Apps" that i use
[17:12:52] livingtm: nautilus and evolution i do use
[17:13:07] livingtm: althgouh konquerer's bluetooth stuff is impressive
[17:13:16] daviey: nautilus has rubbish support for webdav and ftp-ssl though
[17:13:20] Dr_willis: gnome apps tend to annoy me in that they like to hide information... like progress bars.. :) and what the error was....
[17:13:40] luckyone_: livingtm: agreeed, kde definitely has the advantage for with bluez
[17:13:44] riddlebox: luckyone_, you can do that too, just so you know if you reinstall, you can just create the user after the apt-get install log in and get the password, then in your own user, run mythtvsetup and put mythtv for the mysql user and the password
[17:13:47] daviey: Dr_willis, but the errors normally appear on the console if you launched it that way
[17:14:15] livingtm: I found that KOffices (cough) ms office compatability wasnt as nice as openoffice
[17:14:29] luckyone_: riddlebox: I am just going to spend time looking through the dirs that myth created, once I know where everything is stored, I will be fine
[17:14:30] Dr_willis: I still think KDE and gnome need to look at BeOS and steal a few ideas from it...
[17:14:31] daviey: gbee, i have used kdevelop but kwrite doesn't really stand up to OO.org does it?
[17:14:31] livingtm: unfortunately i need to work the windows people,
[17:14:32] Dr_willis: :)
[17:14:38] riddlebox: do you guys think $120 for a used xbox is a little expensive( I want to make a mythfrontend/media center out of ot)
[17:14:39] gbee: daviey: all very well if you want dozens of consoles open, to start a dozen apps – you then contend with a hundred windows
[17:14:55] livingtm: seemjs like you cn get them for 60 or so
[17:14:57] daviey: gbee, i ment if you were trying to replicate an error
[17:15:15] gbee: kword does a decent job, kwrite is the KDE version of windows write
[17:15:16] |Torg|: riddlebox does it have a chip and harddrive in it?
[17:15:34] daviey: riddlebox, be warned; the XBOX aint up to that much these days. Especially with the new themes.
[17:15:40] luckyone_: riddlebox: thanks for the pointer... backend all good now
[17:15:54] daviey: gbee, am i thinking of kate then?
[17:16:10] riddlebox: |Torg|, just a regular used xbox, all original stuff
[17:16:20] |Torg|: yes then its about $80 too much
[17:16:21] daviey: riddlebox, check the version numbers
[17:16:39] gbee: oo.org isn't 64bit, so although I used to use it having to manage lots of 32bit library rpms got very boring
[17:16:45] riddlebox: |Torg|, thats what I thought, even ebay seems to be close to that price
[17:17:22] riddlebox: it does look like there is a xbuntu I can put on it
[17:18:05] daviey: gbee, trouble is with kde is it promotes inward working. Do you consider Krandom_app to be cute or functional. You almost feel locked in to the X
[17:18:13] gbee: kate is more of a coders text-editor, it's what kdevelop uses at the core but kdevelop adds project managment tools etc
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[17:20:41] gbee: never giving it much thought, it's a gut thing – I dislike most gnome apps
[17:21:29] gbee: some people would say kde copies windows too much but I'd argue that gnome tries too hard to not be windows, it throws the good stuff out with the bad
[17:25:37] daviey: gbee, actually gnome remind me more of windows and kde of OSX
[17:26:10] livingtm: One thing i would REALLY like to see is a good DOCK like OSX... The notification icon is the same as the launcher is the same as the windowlist icon
[17:26:22] livingtm: seems like you really dont need 3 icons
[17:26:41] gbee: heh, well I guess it really is just a matter of taste and perception as I said before
[17:26:43] quicksil1er: the dock is a lousy windowlist though
[17:26:43] livingtm: like right now in gnome i have a amarok launcher, and the amarok notification icon.. why?
[17:26:47] quicksil1er: it doesn't scale well
[17:26:56] quicksil1er: it's OK as a launcher and a notifier
[17:27:09] livingtm: quicksil1er, yeah could always use improvements..
[17:27:14] livingtm: gotta run guys, catcha later
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[17:27:17] quicksil1er: notification has always been a weakspot of X
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[17:28:03] daviey: gbee, look at baghira
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[17:29:01] daviey: gbee, this IS kde http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/55/KDE_MACOSX.png
[17:29:30] kashikoi[rev]: i set mythtv to record a show and it appears to have recorded it as told
[17:29:40] kashikoi[rev]: but i cant seem to find any button to play it back
[17:29:45] daviey: gbee, this IS kde http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/55/KDE_MACOSX.png
[17:29:49] gbee: hehe yeah
[17:30:13] daviey: gbee, sorry for repeat – up key is too close on this laptop
[17:30:15] xris: kashikoi[rev]: mythfrontend -> media library -> recorded programs
[17:30:22] gbee: but that's the visuals, which can be anything you want them to be
[17:30:28] fryfrog: a brand new xbox is like $129, though i think i'm a bit late :p
[17:30:28] ** kashikoi[rev] looks there again **
[17:30:42] daviey: fryfrog, far too late
[17:30:51] kashikoi[rev]: dont see recorder programs under medialibrary
[17:30:51] gbee: it's the application design and integration which I like better about KDE
[17:30:59] kashikoi[rev]: but i do see watchrecordings and watchvideos
[17:31:19] riddlebox: fryfrog, I cant even find a xbox, at a store anymore
[17:31:28] fryfrog: ah
[17:31:30] Dr_willis: heh
[17:31:35] |Torg|: gamestop still sells them
[17:31:35] daviey: kashikoi[rev], try watchrecordings ;)
[17:31:51] Dr_willis: ive never even played on an Xbox.
[17:31:57] riddlebox: I found one at slackers which might be the same as gamestop
[17:32:02] Dr_willis: i cant think of any must-have-games for them really.
[17:32:04] fryfrog: damn you newegg for still being out of ds lites!
[17:32:10] gbee: I've seen a gnome and kde desktop look identical, but when you come to use the apps there is something 'wrong' with the design of the gnome ones
[17:32:15] kashikoi[rev]: xris: i can see the programs ive watched on livetv under watchrecordings but i dont see the one i set to be auto recorded
[17:32:16] riddlebox: hrmm #xbox-linux is invite only
[17:32:25] Dr_willis: gbee, its called 'making things idiot-friendly' :)
[17:32:53] xris: kashikoi[rev]: how do you know that it recorded?
[17:33:08] kashikoi[rev]: i can see its nuv file and its in the recently transcoded list
[17:33:09] gbee: as opposed to making them just plain unfriendly like gnome? :P
[17:33:20] kashikoi[rev]: i marked it to be transcoded and commflag'ed
[17:33:49] kashikoi[rev]: and the tuner1 card was in recording mode durring the time it was set to record
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[17:38:23] kashikoi[rev]: i scrolled it up to all programs
[17:40:00] kashikoi[rev]: if you look at http://clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/mythtv/Screenshot-2.png youll see its missing and on all programs
[17:41:12] riddlebox: do vga to component converters work that well?
[17:41:20] daviey: riddlebox, not really
[17:41:45] kashikoi[rev]: i thought vga was basicaly component in a single cable?
[17:41:50] daviey: riddlebox, S-Video output isn't too bad but avoid composite. The flicker will give you headaches
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[17:42:07] riddlebox: dang, I think I may give up on the xbox and just buy an nvidia card with svideo out
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[17:42:30] daviey: riddlebox, yes!!!! The low ram and processor won't be that good anyway
[17:42:47] kashikoi[rev]: daviey: i have a cable with vga on 1 end and composite/svideo on the other and no real chip/powersource in/needed
[17:42:49] riddlebox: my last nvidia card would just lock up after a while, I know a lot of other people had the same problem, but I wonder if the card was just bad
[17:43:08] |Torg|: the card was probbly overheating
[17:43:28] daviey: riddlebox, was the fan still working; often fans break
[17:43:49] riddlebox: daviey, yeah, it seemed a little stiff to me though
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[17:44:06] riddlebox: it was a fx5200 – which worked awesome for a long time
[17:45:18] |Torg|: VGA is not composite in a single cable
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[17:47:48] riddlebox: I guess I will try another 5200 and see if I get that to work, then I will just put the pc back to my entertainment center and be done with this mess
[17:48:22] Belkrem: HELP!!! i keep getting can't display video error it's a fresh installed gentoo system so i probably forgot to install something
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[17:50:18] |Torg|: first off you have given so little information as to make your question hardly answerable.
[17:50:23] |Torg|: what is giving the error?
[17:50:26] |Torg|: when?
[17:50:30] |Torg|: what did you installed?
[17:50:34] |Torg|: what are you tryign to run?
[17:50:40] |Torg|: what video card do you have?
[17:50:47] |Torg|: what settings did you set up for anything you have?
[17:50:51] |Torg|: what drivers did you load?
[17:50:57] Belkrem: mythtv when trying to play a channel off of a dvb-s device it was able to scan fine
[17:51:11] |Torg|: and what gives you an error, and when?
[17:51:13] Belkrem: i have loaded dvb-hbt8xx
[17:51:22] Belkrem: mythtv
[17:51:36] Belkrem: as soon as i stry to play live tv
[17:51:37] |Torg|: mythfrontend gives you an error?
[17:51:41] Belkrem: yea
[17:51:47] |Torg|: what does the error file say?
[17:52:02] Belkrem: how do you view the error file
[17:52:10] |Torg|: how do you run mythfrontend?
[17:52:25] Belkrem: by typing mythfrontend into terminal
[17:52:47] |Torg|: what else do you type? just mythfrontend? and who do you run it as?
[17:53:10] Belkrem: i run it as user mythtvand just myth frontend
[17:53:23] |Torg|: look in .xsession-errors
[17:53:27] Belkrem: i have an init.d script that starts the backend
[17:53:39] |Torg|: the backend does not display video
[17:53:41] justinh: Belkrem: well, can your box play ordinary video?
[17:53:58] Belkrem: i haven't tried
[17:54:00] justinh: and did you test the card outside of mythtv first?
[17:54:16] justinh: you haven't tried? I suggest you do
[17:54:39] justinh: I also suggest you test to make sure you can tune into signals with the tuner card outside mythtv as well
[17:55:09] justinh: just leaping in there without testing anything can waste you a lot of time
[17:57:46] justinh: "thanks for the tips"
[17:57:52] justinh: ok, no problem
[18:00:41] riddlebox: anyone have any good luck with an ati card and s-video out?
[18:00:53] |Torg|: good luck, no
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[18:01:08] riddlebox: any luck at all?
[18:01:23] |Torg|: the box will boot, does that count?
[18:01:28] riddlebox: lol
[18:01:33] |Torg|: I can display console text on it?
[18:01:37] Cardoe: How can I make MythTV open my DVB card when it needs to and not constantly hold it opened? The option in the settings does not work.
[18:01:51] justinh: Cardoe: er.. it should do
[18:01:57] |Torg|: Cardoe it works fin on mine
[18:02:04] justinh: might need a backend restart to take effect
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[18:03:18] |Torg|: Cardoe what verison of myth are you running?
[18:03:36] Cardoe: latest 0-20-fixes
[18:03:45] justinh: works here AFAIK
[18:03:53] |Torg|: then it shoul work fine, why do you think its not?
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[18:04:16] Cardoe: and when I stop mythbackend... it works
[18:04:41] Cardoe: that's dvbscan btw
[18:04:50] |Torg|: do you see an assocated process with the card?
[18:05:19] Cardoe: in ps aux or lsof?
[18:05:26] |Torg|: and what kind of card is this?
[18:05:30] |Torg|: yes in ps, top whatever
[18:05:37] |Torg|: ATSC?
[18:05:47] Cardoe: |Torg|: neither of those show what's attached to what
[18:05:51] Cardoe: |Torg|: yes, its ATSC
[18:05:58] |Torg|: did you tell it to scan EIT?
[18:06:00] Cardoe: If I stop mythbackend, I can use the card.
[18:06:09] Cardoe: possibly.
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[18:06:24] Cardoe: know where in the DB that setting is?
[18:06:25] |Torg|: turn it off, its about usless on an ATSC card anyway
[18:06:36] |Torg|: its in the backend setup under the inputs
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[18:09:29] |Torg|: Im sorry its under video source
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[18:10:40] sanmarcos-trabaj: can anybody point me to somebody who sells pre made myth HD boxes in the US?
[18:10:43] riddlebox: is a PNY Verto GeForce FX 5200 basically a nvidia card?
[18:11:06] sanmarcos-trabaj: yes
[18:11:11] sanmarcos-trabaj: nvidia makes chips, not cards
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[18:11:50] |Torg|: sanmarcos-trabaj depending on how much you want to pay ill make one for you :)
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[18:12:37] Russ[]: riddlebox: the nvidia drivers are made for that card, yes it's what you think it is.
[18:13:03] riddlebox: ok thanks, for $83 it shouldnt be to bad then
[18:13:21] Russ[]: you should be able to find a card that old for cheaper
[18:13:25] Russ[]: i imagine
[18:13:50] sanmarcos-trabaj: |Torg|, I am looking for full HD and RAID storage with excellent performance in a small and quiet case, with Remote.
[18:14:04] |Torg|: ok, not a problem
[18:14:10] |Torg|: raid5, 500G disks ok?
[18:14:16] Russ[]: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814145143
[18:14:21] Russ[]: there's you one for 36 dollars.
[18:14:30] Russ[]: with svideo out.
[18:14:49] |Torg|: 2 way cpu ok? or do you prefer one of the 4 ways? (its way overkill tho)
[18:15:03] |Torg|: dvi out ok for the video? do you want SPDIF?
[18:15:06] sanmarcos-trabaj: |Torg|, 500gb seems to be a little to much
[18:15:20] |Torg|: builing a myth box isnt very ahrd to do, well it shuldnt be
[18:15:26] sanmarcos-trabaj: of course it isnt
[18:15:31] |Torg|: 500gb is a bit too small, try 2TB
[18:15:37] sanmarcos-trabaj: the problem is getting an excellent case that fits well
[18:15:49] sanmarcos-trabaj: well how are you going to fill 500gb with only one tuner?
[18:16:02] sanmarcos-trabaj: Id record some things, then get the HR HDTV rips
[18:16:28] sanmarcos-trabaj: what system do you have for myth?
[18:16:31] |Torg|: I use two ATSC tuners, they are about 7G per hour
[18:16:46] |Torg|: how long I keep them depends greatly on if the wife says she wants to watch it later on :)
[18:16:52] hjohnson: topping: I have an antec titan 550 case.. pretty sweet case, but with the number of fans I've loaded into it, well.. uh..
[18:16:59] |Torg|: I also keep entire seasons then later archive them to dvd
[18:17:02] hjohnson: lets just say "747 on take-off roll"
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[18:17:26] sanmarcos-trabaj: |Torg|, but how do you use two tuners, you plug two cables into the wall jack?
[18:17:29] topping: hjohnson: put in a speed controller, makes a huge difference
[18:17:34] Hoxzer: does somebody have experience with Technotrend DVB-C Budget C1500 ?
[18:17:42] hjohnson: topping: I'd rather just keep things cool.
[18:17:43] fryfrog: I don't think you can combine multi-drive raid in a "quiet" solution
[18:17:49] |Torg|: I split the cable into two with a drop amp
[18:17:53] hjohnson: topping: the machine lives in a closet, in my basement.
[18:17:54] sanmarcos-trabaj: |Torg|, also, what is your cable provider?
[18:17:55] |Torg|: actlay into 4 but I only use two
[18:18:05] Milosch: fryfrog: you could raid some CF cards ;)
[18:18:08] fryfrog: If you need multi drive raid, you are basically stuck splitting your "quiet" fe from your "ZOMG HELICOPTER" be :/
[18:18:09] |Torg|: my cable provider is an antenna on top of my house with two ATSC cards :)_
[18:18:14] hjohnson: topping: it can sound like a freight train for all I car, as long as it keeps the innards cool.
[18:18:34] |Torg|: I dont have cable, I impitly built this to tell them to shove there service up there a.. well you get the idea
[18:18:35] sanmarcos-trabaj: |Torg|, really?, how much was the antenna?
[18:18:41] sanmarcos-trabaj: is it big?
[18:18:41] |Torg|: about $70
[18:18:56] |Torg|: no bigger, well smller, then a "normal" tv antenna
[18:19:00] sanmarcos-trabaj: interesting, but you dont get cable channels
[18:19:04] |Torg|: it is in fact, a "normal" antenna
[18:19:10] |Torg|: I get cable fine
[18:19:18] fryfrog: I <3 firewire cable box
[18:19:18] |Torg|: I dont WANT cable, thats the difference
[18:19:29] hjohnson: there are only something like 2 OTA HD channels here.
[18:19:29] |Torg|: I sont like paying extra for things I can have for free, and at better quailty
[18:19:30] hjohnson: if that.
[18:19:35] |Torg|: silly me, im just that way
[18:19:46] hjohnson: OTA TV is going by way of the dodo here..
[18:20:02] sanmarcos-trabaj: |Torg|, you in SoCal?
[18:20:03] |Torg|: OTA should be moving to HDTV via FCC manate
[18:20:15] |Torg|: nope I live south of Fort Worth
[18:20:17] hjohnson: |Torg|: i'm not in FCC land.
[18:20:28] |Torg|: I figgured that hjohnson :P
[18:20:43] sanmarcos-trabaj: right, but cable providers wont give you HD unless you use their shitbox?
[18:20:58] |Torg|: correct, nor will they give me a DVR
[18:21:05] hjohnson: but then, between cable and satellite you have something like 99% penetration.
[18:21:16] |Torg|: nor will they not encrypt the HD OTA channels (and yes I know what they are doing is illegal)
[18:21:22] fryfrog: sanmarcos-trabaj: in the US, cable providers seem to be required to carry the FTA OTA channels unencrypted
[18:21:33] sanmarcos-trabaj: fta?
[18:21:38] fryfrog: but of course to get other stuff in HD you nbeed a box or cable card
[18:21:39] |Torg|: Free To Air
[18:21:41] fryfrog: Free To Air
[18:21:49] sanmarcos-trabaj: right, like ABC, Fox, and stuff like that
[18:21:56] fryfrog: yeah
[18:21:59] |Torg|: FTA OTA would be what you would call ABC via rabbit ears
[18:22:07] Hoxzer: does somebody have any experience with Technotrend DVB-C Budget C1500 ?
[18:22:08] sanmarcos-trabaj: but cable channels, like Lifetime, Spike, FX, are those FTA OTA unencrypted?
[18:22:11] fryfrog: if you *have* cable and want to keep it, firewire is the way to go
[18:22:16] fryfrog: no
[18:22:27] |Torg|: I HIGLY dount they wouldnt encrypt it
[18:22:28] sanmarcos-trabaj: right, so you cant get them with an ATSC antenna
[18:22:30] riddlebox: sweet! atitvout ntsc t actually worked on my card, and now
[18:22:36] riddlebox: I have s-video out
[18:23:06] |Torg|: sanmarcos-trabaj I would not be the person to tell you how to get cable to work, I implicly what the cable companies to go bankrupt
[18:23:39] sanmarcos-trabaj: |Torg|, oh, right, so there is a way to get cable in the US with an ATSC antenna
[18:23:53] |Torg|: yes sorta, its also encrypted
[18:24:00] |Torg|: depends greatly on where you live tho
[18:24:10] sanmarcos-trabaj: right, where I live its all Time Warner for cable.
[18:24:16] |Torg|: and I assuem you mean things like the food channel
[18:24:19] sanmarcos-trabaj: (Los Angeles area is a monopoly)
[18:24:23] |Torg|: I have Comcast
[18:24:29] riddlebox: Charter
[18:24:31] hjohnson: now what's interesting is up here, the telco is starting to do TV..
[18:24:37] Russ[]: yah I have charter
[18:24:40] hjohnson: they're doing it via IP Multicast, using 4mbps MPEG streams.
[18:24:41] |Torg|: and so is EVERY area in the US, one of there more endearing qualaties
[18:24:54] riddlebox: Russ[], charter is getting real expensive now
[18:25:09] Russ[]: I just have internet
[18:25:11] Russ[]: from them
[18:25:14] |Torg|: did I menation programming on ATSC was free?
[18:25:25] fryfrog: sanmarcos-trabaj: does your cable co send out HD Tuners or HD DVRs with firewire?
[18:25:34] hjohnson: |Torg|: sure, if what you want is on FTA...
[18:25:35] |Torg|: im sorry, it has no subscription fee
[18:25:38] sanmarcos-trabaj: do you guys think that an Athlon XP 2000+ (1.6ghz), 760mb ram ddr 266, and an Nvididia Geforce 256mb 6200 (agp 4) is enough to do full HD?.
[18:25:44] riddlebox: Russ[], more and more I may just go down to internet, but having mythtv working is nice for other shows
[18:25:52] sanmarcos-trabaj: fryfrog, I have absolutely no idea, I just pay for basic cable right now, like 10 bucks a month
[18:25:56] fryfrog: sanmarcos-trabaj: it'll be very borderline
[18:26:02] sanmarcos-trabaj: fryfrog, they are required by the FCC to have a firewire out
[18:26:12] sanmarcos-trabaj: fryfrog, meaning?
[18:26:19] fryfrog: sanmarcos-trabaj: I have an Intel P4 Xeon (Dual CPU 2.4ghz) that *just* barely does HD
[18:26:19] sanmarcos-trabaj: what should I upgrade?
[18:26:22] |Torg|: sanmarcos-trabaj probbly not the CPU is too slow and there isnt enopugh memory
[18:26:23] fryfrog: sometimes it doesn't
[18:26:27] fryfrog: the cpu
[18:26:30] Russ[]: What can you do with that firewire out from a dvr?
[18:26:34] Russ[]: my mother has one.
[18:26:41] sanmarcos-trabaj: Russ[]: nothing, it just sends the mpeg stream
[18:26:43] fryfrog: Russ[]: record right into mythtv :)
[18:26:46] sanmarcos-trabaj: not the encrypted ones
[18:26:53] fryfrog: if you are lucky, none of them are encrypted
[18:26:58] sanmarcos-trabaj: so, what is the minimum recommended for an HD box?
[18:27:00] |Torg|: in theory (and sometimes in practice) tune the box and record its output
[18:27:05] Russ[]: Do regular recivers have firewire out?
[18:27:12] |Torg|: playing or recording sanmarcos-trabaj ?
[18:27:17] hjohnson: here, everything is encrypted..
[18:27:23] sanmarcos-trabaj: |Torg|, both
[18:27:28] hjohnson: the only way around it is if you exployt the analog hole, but then you lose all your quality.
[18:27:30] |Torg|: I wouldnt suggest anything but a serpate FE and BE
[18:27:52] sanmarcos-trabaj: FE/BE?
[18:27:56] sanmarcos-trabaj: frontend backend
[18:27:57] sanmarcos-trabaj: ok
[18:28:07] sanmarcos-trabaj: over gigabit ethernet.
[18:28:13] sanmarcos-trabaj: or wireless G?
[18:28:15] |Torg|: recording off a DVB card dosnt take allot of pwoer, flaggin it sure as hell does, but recording is ok
[18:28:31] |Torg|: problem is you dont want to overrun the recordings while you watch tv
[18:28:31] sanmarcos-trabaj: right, but, the tuner should be on the frontend
[18:28:42] sanmarcos-trabaj: is wireless G enough to record 1080?
[18:28:49] fryfrog: My DCT6412 which is an HD DVR from comcast made by motoroloa sends *all* output unencrypted
[18:28:53] |Torg|: that is you probbly will watch TV at the same time of day you are recording it (ie your watching is a habbit)
[18:29:01] fryfrog: sanmarcos-trabaj: i'd skip wireless, but 100mbit should be okay for 1 or 2 streams
[18:29:23] fryfrog: I use gige on mine, but mainly cause i was trying to track down problems and that was one of the easiset places to start
[18:29:30] sanmarcos-trabaj: |Torg|, what approximate specs do you recommend for backend/frontend?
[18:29:33] fryfrog: i still only get about 3x more from 1000mbit as 100mbit
[18:29:41] hjohnson: fryfrog: lucky twit.
[18:30:08] hjohnson: fryfrog: not suprising.. you're probably running into CPU imposed packets-per-second limits
[18:30:24] fryfrog: hjohnson: not only that, but i asked comcast to swap my HD DVR for two HD tuners, and the dude showed up, took my HD DVR then walked in with... two more!
[18:30:44] fryfrog: so i only pay for the tuners, but get the dvr
[18:31:03] |Torg|: VIDEO: MPEG2 1920x1080 (aspect 3) 29.970 fps 18000.0 kbps (2250.0 kbyte/s)
[18:31:06] hjohnson: i'm thinking about buying a mac mini for my living room.. smaller, roughly the same price as what i oculd build an itx for, and much sexier. :P
[18:31:07] fryfrog: dual core is not a certain req, if you are building from old parts a 2.5–3ghz cpu should be enough
[18:31:12] |Torg|: how mych bandwidth do you need to stream that?
[18:31:26] sanmarcos-trabaj: |Torg|, ok, so the backend, it could be my Athlon XP 2000+ with 760, and add a couple of hds with software raid, and gigabit ethernet
[18:31:33] hjohnson: |Torg|: 100baseT would be adequate.
[18:31:36] fryfrog: 2.2mb/zec
[18:31:42] |Torg|: yes I agree fryfrog I just prefer the core for X and the core for mythfe
[18:31:51] |Torg|: yes hjohnson quite
[18:32:00] |Torg|: it was a rehtorical question tho :)
[18:32:01] fryfrog: yeah, or when idle 2 cores for trans or commflag!
[18:32:13] |Torg|: and for compiling!
[18:32:16] fryfrog: sanmarcos-trabaj: should be fine as a backend :)
[18:32:27] |Torg|: use distcc and cccahe, youll tank me on this
[18:32:34] fryfrog: sanmarcos-trabaj: in fact, its probably a bit over kill if you don't do any comm/transcode on it
[18:32:49] fryfrog: the hd tv cards (and hardware mepg2 sd cards) don't use any cpu time
[18:33:00] fryfrog: so when recording, it'll basically be the raid
[18:33:07] fryfrog: and *maybe* commflagging if you do it on that box
[18:33:20] |Torg|: how do yuoi think they service the bus with their IRQs
[18:33:28] fryfrog: okay, maybe a *little* :p
[18:33:29] |Torg|: I think yu mean they dont use an aprciable CPU time
[18:33:40] fryfrog: yeah, that is more accurate
[18:33:56] fryfrog: I use a 6200 on one of my fe, a 5200 fx on another
[18:34:00] |Torg|: baislcy its dump what the tuner had operation, it takes some IO time, mostly in writing it to that slow ass disk
[18:34:10] fryfrog: the cpu/mem will revolve around your price tag
[18:34:15] |Torg|: btw the slow disk in one of the reaons I have a 5 disk raid 5 set
[18:34:19] |Torg|: and and im a video pack rat
[18:34:28] fryfrog: |Torg|: 2mb/sec is nothing for a disk!
[18:34:50] |Torg|: try recoring two vieos and the wife and kids trying to wathc three more :P
[18:35:19] |Torg|: its not thoughput I want as much as latency, same as the reason I advocate a dual core proc for th FE
[18:35:38] fryfrog: 4mb/sec writing, 6mb/sec reading... maybe a bit ahrd for one disk :)
[18:35:39] |Torg|: again its not how much it can process but how big its runq is
[18:36:02] hjohnson: |Torg|: though my 5 disk RAID 5 does consume significant amounts of cpu time.
[18:36:12] |Torg|: and fryfrog its not just the disk its trup[ut and serivce time to it
[18:36:27] fryfrog: sanmarcos-trabaj: i'd probably go for the cheapest dual core from intel or amd, with 1G of ram since now-a-days its so cheap
[18:36:31] |Torg|: mine is via a fake raid card, takes maybe 5–10% of the cpu
[18:36:41] sanmarcos-trabaj: fryfrog, ok, what case do you recommend?
[18:37:01] hjohnson: |Torg|: ick, those fake raid cards are icky.
[18:37:03] |Torg|: the BE a signal core or the cheaperst dual core you can get, the FE a dual core 2GHZ or better
[18:37:15] |Torg|: there also about $600 cheaper then the real raid cards
[18:37:24] |Torg|: and the ONLY way I can get 5 SATA2 ports in a MB
[18:37:36] hjohnson: well yes, but you're almost better off doing the raid in software.
[18:37:42] |Torg|: for $600 ill live with the 10% cpu overhead
[18:37:48] fryfrog: I don't think you can buy any new cpus less than 2ghz :)
[18:37:55] fryfrog: I got a motherboard with 8 sata ports on it
[18:37:56] |Torg|: yes ive tested it, its about the same either way
[18:38:09] riddlebox: at least I have today off to get this going again
[18:38:14] fryfrog: And my raid5 array only uses about 5% cpu time at max
[18:38:17] |Torg|: althoou you could argue with it in softweare id have 5 striped io queues withere as in harware I have one
[18:38:21] fryfrog: 3000+ amd64 (single core)
[18:38:24] hjohnson: |Torg|: benifit of software RAID is that, well, it's transportable accross controllers and thus a little more reliable in th elong-run.
[18:38:49] fysa: yeah, 5% maybe here too. that's with 7 drives.
[18:38:50] fryfrog: yeah, i'd not use "fake" raid5 over linux's software raid5
[18:38:51] |Torg|: unlike fryfrog my BE runs in an old AMD 1.5GHz single core, with no sata at all
[18:38:58] fryfrog: hehe
[18:38:59] |Torg|: I had to put in a card to make it do sata
[18:39:05] hjohnson: heh
[18:39:10] |Torg|: and at $80 a 8 port raid card was cool lby me
[18:39:13] hjohnson: i'm using the 4 onboard SATA ports plus one on the PCI bus.
[18:39:18] fryfrog: I *think* 400G drives are almost the best $/G now
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[18:39:35] hjohnson: i'm using 5 320GB cards in RAID 5
[18:39:37] fryfrog: $80 for an *8* port card?
[18:39:47] fryfrog: hjohnson: yeah, me too!
[18:39:48] hjohnson: plus LVM2 on top of that, then ext3
[18:39:48] fysa: I got two 4-port cards for $18 each ;)
[18:39:54] |Torg|: yes something like that
[18:40:07] fryfrog: oh yeah, nother benefit to kernel software raid5 is you can expand the raid5 array
[18:40:07] fysa: The problem with RAID..
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[18:40:15] fysa: is that you don't necessarily want the best $/G for the moment.
[18:40:22] fryfrog: ?
[18:40:24] |Torg|: but to tear down that array would mean deleing all my recordings
[18:40:31] hjohnson: |Torg|: plus, the sexy thing is that the linux raid support will now allow me to either grow or shrink the array.. live.
[18:40:33] fryfrog: true
[18:40:35] |Torg|: its not really "broke" so im not gona "fix" it
[18:40:37] fysa: you want the best average $/G, taking into account running out of space for drives..
[18:40:49] fryfrog: ahah
[18:41:07] fryfrog: yeah, i guess if you only have space for 5 drives you might want to plan for the future :)
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[18:41:11] fysa: I have 8 320GB drives.. and I can't imagine buying another 4. Now I want to sell them all and start over with 750s. ;)
[18:41:30] fryfrog: I have an 8 bay case, room for *one* more 320G drive
[18:41:36] |Torg|: I have 5 500G drives, 2TB will fill my myth needs for at least a short time :)
[18:41:46] fryfrog: fysa: blech, can't get crap for used 320G drives :(
[18:41:51] |Torg|: and barirng I go by one of the fryfrog cases.......
[18:41:53] fysa: I figure by the time I'm around my 4th or 5th 750, the price will drop. ;)
[18:41:54] hjohnson: bonnie++ just told me 43MB/s write to my disk
[18:41:57] fryfrog: what kind?
[18:42:11] hjohnson: well, 75MB if its doing block writes
[18:42:16] fysa: I figure like $40-$50 a piece.. enough for a 750 or two :P
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[18:42:27] |Torg|: block raites of what size and how many?
[18:42:28] fysa: plus my drives have been tested and all RMA'd already ;)
[18:42:29] fryfrog: hjohnson: the main problem comes when you have 2 or 3 threads doing read and write
[18:42:51] |Torg|: taking perf rates out of context isnt really realtiv
[18:42:52] hjohnson: topping: 2GB file.
[18:42:55] fryfrog: fysa: you've had to rma *all* of them so far?
[18:43:04] fysa: probably 4..
[18:43:08] fryfrog: ah
[18:43:11] fysa: maybe 5.
[18:43:13] fysa: too many, anyway.
[18:43:21] fryfrog: I have 5x WD drives, 2 out of 5 have been RMA'd already
[18:43:24] topping: hjohnson: for what?
[18:43:24] hjohnson: i've run out of drive bays.
[18:43:27] fysa: yeah, WD drives.
[18:43:27] fryfrog: what brand are yours?
[18:43:32] fryfrog: really?
[18:43:34] fysa: 3200SD/JD
[18:43:38] hjohnson: topping: running bonnie++
[18:43:39] fryfrog: well, if you sell them for $40 i'll buy a few
[18:43:41] |Torg|: sanmarcos-trabaj did you get your questions answerd?
[18:43:45] fryfrog: same as mine i think
[18:43:48] topping: what's the 2gb file for?
[18:43:50] fysa: heh
[18:43:57] fysa: I'll let you know.
[18:44:15] sanmarcos-trabaj: |Torg|, yes, I am still researching for a good case. So for HD, separate BE/FE is the only way to go?
[18:44:22] fysa: I could probably be convinced to accidentally 'leave' the file system in-tact with all of my myth media too, if someone wanted to sort through it. ;)
[18:44:28] topping: hjohnson: or was that for torg?
[18:44:45] |Torg|: sanmarcos-trabaj hardly. You can use one box. two is just easier and you can use them to commflagg and transocde
[18:44:47] fryfrog: smartctl reports " WDC WD3200JD-00KLB0"
[18:44:54] fysa: yeah, same here
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[18:45:29] fysa: I partition mine down to 300GB each and use the remaining for super-secure RAID1/boot/root
[18:45:32] |Torg|: topping I dont think it was for me, I didnt ask any questions :P
[18:45:33] hjohnson: topping: was for |Torg| yeah
[18:45:43] hjohnson: yeah, I'm running 5 seagate sata drives
[18:45:49] hjohnson: with 16MB cache per drive.
[18:45:54] fryfrog: fysa: I have 2x 80G drives in RAID1 for that
[18:45:58] |Torg|: your not going to convice me to tear down my array, it works :P
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[18:46:20] hjohnson: i'm setting bonnie to use stripe-sized chunks for block reading.
[18:46:21] fysa: I didn't want to waste more bays ;)
[18:46:23] hjohnson: er writing.
[18:46:30] fysa: say, anyone here using the OS X fe?
[18:46:40] fryfrog: fysa: well, for $40 each i'd buy 3 of em from ya if you ever decide to go for it :)
[18:46:40] sanmarcos-trabaj: |Torg|, anyhow, I think that for now I am going to stick with SD, later on ill upgrade to HD
[18:46:41] hjohnson: fysa: I will be soon, if I buy th emini
[18:46:42] |Torg|: if it ain't broke, don't fix it
[18:47:15] fysa: I tried to use the precompiled binary from svn and I can't get it to budge. compiling from SVN gets me pretty far, but make eventually breaks.
[18:47:16] hjohnson: i'm also using a 300GB PATA drive as a boot.
[18:47:29] |Torg|: sanmarcos-trabaj if you want to do just SD now, use one system, when you go to HD get antoehr and split the FE/BE
[18:47:38] fryfrog: maybe 4, would be nice to have more space in the xbox :)
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[18:47:49] fryfrog: yeah, that 2000+ would do SD w/o a problem
[18:47:51] sanmarcos-trabaj: |Torg|, right, also, I have another question. Do you guys recommend applying any patches to the kernel? (such as Con Kolivas' realtime?)
[18:48:02] |Torg|: fysa define eventualy breaks, I run SVN code from the trunka nd have been for over a year
[18:48:07] fryfrog: i've done 4x mpeg2 cards in a 1600+ w/ 512mb ram and single thread playback
[18:48:19] |Torg|: nope sanmarcos-trabaj I leave the kernel as it is, from debian
[18:48:25] fysa: on OS X?
[18:48:27] sanmarcos-trabaj: |Torg|, what WM do you run?
[18:48:37] |Torg|: other then dvb patches which are isnt he current kernel anyway, you dont need anything extra
[18:48:37] LLyric: That's beautiful
[18:48:43] |Torg|: I run fluxbox
[18:48:45] |Torg|: less is more :)
[18:49:01] fysa: I have SVN compiling on my Linux be/fe fine.
[18:49:04] sanmarcos-trabaj: LLyric, indeed, it seems very nice
[18:49:07] fysa: just having OS X-specific issues.
[18:49:14] fryfrog: i'm about to switch from svn head -> svn -fixes branch
[18:49:30] hjohnson: the biggest issue i've seen on OS X is the ability (or lack thereof0 of putting out AC3 audio
[18:49:33] |Torg|: fryfrog when you do watch out for DB mismatches
[18:49:49] fysa: yeah. I'm just messing around with this on my desktop so far.
[18:49:55] fysa: I have AC3 working on the desktop in general.
[18:49:59] fysa: haven't tried with myth yet.
[18:50:06] fysa: osx-packager is failing.
[18:50:23] fysa: and ./configure says 'endian test failed'
[18:50:33] hjohnson: fysa: yeah, aparently myth doesn't play nice enough with coreaudio yet.
[18:50:42] fryfrog: |Torg|: yeah, i'm only going to take a few tables and try and bring them in. Mainly the 'recorded' and 'channel' tables
[18:51:06] |Torg|: fryfrog you know how to edit them, right?
[18:52:01] sanmarcos-trabaj: will outputting my SD signal into an HDTV look bad?
[18:52:18] |Torg|: depends on how clean the SD is
[18:52:31] |Torg|: really good, clean SD only looks fair to poor
[18:52:40] |Torg|: fair to avearge SD looks really bad
[18:52:49] |Torg|: also depdns on how big your HD tv is
[18:52:53] sanmarcos-trabaj: so its better go get a good CRT
[18:53:00] sanmarcos-trabaj: or an lcd monitor
[18:53:09] fysa: I have a CRT for SD and a projector for HD, sanmarcos-trabaj.
[18:53:15] |Torg|: lcd monitoes hav burnout and cost ALLOT
[18:53:17] fysa: and a button on my remote that switches myth from one display to the other..
[18:53:21] |Torg|: CRTs are heavy
[18:53:34] hjohnson: |Torg|: hmm? LCDs don't have burnout.. you're thinking plasma
[18:53:36] sanmarcos-trabaj: |Torg|, what do you recommend for SD?
[18:53:42] |Torg|: my 32" tv
[18:53:43] roam: how do I get teletext?
[18:53:50] fysa: You can't beat a calibrated CRT for SD>
[18:54:02] |Torg|: yes hjohnson sorry
[18:54:16] |Torg|: I use a DLP for HD, those you get to change a $200 bulb every year
[18:54:17] hjohnson: fysa: lol, why? don't you know that NTSC == Never Twice the Same Color?
[18:54:29] fysa: SD is interlaced.
[18:54:45] fysa: er, well.
[18:54:54] fysa: I guess we can't output an interlaced signal really anyway.
[18:55:00] hjohnson: actually very interesting reason for the interlacing.
[18:55:27] |Torg|: the interlacing stops stutterin in the video at the expse of clarity
[18:55:31] fysa: I keep forgetting that I am deinterlacing the signal just to have my nvidia driver interlace it.
[18:55:45] hjohnson: |Torg|: that's not the primary reason.
[18:55:47] fysa: only for non-interlaced displays.
[18:55:59] fysa: interlaced material will always look best on an interlaced display.
[18:56:03] hjohnson: the primary reason is to compress the signal so it will fit into 6MHz of bandwidth.
[18:56:27] |Torg|: actually it has more to do with the frequency of the AC circit
[18:56:29] sanmarcos-trabaj: fysa, computer crts are not interlaced?
[18:56:30] fysa: now, whether you want to deal with having a 60" 1920x1080 CRT is another matter.
[18:56:41] |Torg|: the fact they needed the bandwatch was defined after the spec for the SD signal
[18:56:45] hjohnson: |Torg|: no, that's just why B&W TV was 30fps...
[18:57:06] hjohnson: well, fields per second.
[18:57:16] fysa: sanmarcos-trabaj: They used to be. "Multi-sync" and such allowed us to not need it.
[18:57:25] |Torg|: fysa try a 63" 1920x1080 HDTV that lies about its modes :)
[18:57:26] fryfrog: someone needs to make mythmusic do what vista's mce does
[18:57:27] hjohnson: the interlacing is due to spectral requirements.
[18:57:28] fysa: Interlaced computer displays flickered quite a bit more too.
[18:58:09] hjohnson: this became even more of an issue when they went to color.. and had to fit the color into the same spectral allocations, and be backwards compatible with black and white tv
[18:58:17] hjohnson: color tv is actually a very elegant hack.
[18:59:02] |Torg|: in either case, with SD on a 63" HDTV you can see the flaws in the video, there obvious
[18:59:09] roam: hjohnson: ntsc or pal?
[18:59:33] hjohnson: roam: NTSC.. even if the standard is fugly by our standards today, it was a very elegant hack imho. I don't know enough about PAL to coment on it.
[19:00:14] |Torg|: PAL is what you would call NTSC plus, its autocorrecting
[19:00:38] |Torg|: its what color TV would have been had they not had to account for all the old B&W sets (imho)
[19:00:40] TTT_Travis: if I have a PCI-Express videocard and a normal PCI videocard can I have 3 monitors attatched somehow?
[19:00:49] hjohnson: TTT_Travis: sure.
[19:00:56] TTT_Travis: hjohnson so that would work?
[19:01:06] hjohnson: TTT_Travis: why wouldn't it work?
[19:01:11] |Torg|: does your vide card have three outputs?
[19:01:12] hjohnson: a video card is a video card.
[19:01:14] TTT_Travis: I seem to remember someone telling me it wouldn't like the BIOs only can use one
[19:01:29] hjohnson: maybe in the bad old days.
[19:01:41] TTT_Travis: |Torg| no 2 video cards, one PCI-E once PCI
[19:01:47] fysa: if they both supported twinview, you could have four monitors.
[19:01:50] fysa: on two cards.
[19:02:02] |Torg|: one willl boot and show video, then when the OS comes up they all will show video
[19:02:12] |Torg|: or simply all imputs will show the same video on boot
[19:02:16] TTT_Travis: well I don't know one is a new PCI-E x1900 and the other is just an old one
[19:02:17] |Torg|: depends on the bios
[19:02:26] TTT_Travis: k
[19:02:38] TTT_Travis: It's a brand new computer I am building in a few days
[19:02:46] TTT_Travis: I want to hook my 2 LCDs and LCD TV up
[19:02:59] TTT_Travis: therefore needing 3 connectors
[19:03:05] TTT_Travis: will windows work too?
[19:03:12] fysa: and you want to watch the same thing on all?
[19:03:18] TTT_Travis: no different on each
[19:03:25] |Torg|: no windows does not work, what gave you that silly idea?
[19:03:35] TTT_Travis: lol
[19:03:36] fysa: then you would need different sets of audio cards, different sets of LIRC
[19:03:58] TTT_Travis: no, I am using it as a computer and a myth display
[19:04:10] TTT_Travis: the 2 LCDs are computer monitors for computer tasks the LCD TV is for mythtv
[19:04:10] fysa: ah, that's easy enough then.
[19:04:10] |Torg|: not multiple instnaces, just multiple displays
[19:04:27] TTT_Travis: I will usually use linux, but will it work with windows too?
[19:04:29] fryfrog: you'd what, run one X on the tv
[19:04:33] TTT_Travis: or I suppose you guys wouldn't know that
[19:04:33] fryfrog: and run another X on the two monitors
[19:04:42] fryfrog: then perhaps configure a kb/mouse on both?
[19:05:02] fryfrog: or maybe juse use one kb/mouse and use lirc only
[19:05:02] fysa: yes, that would work fine.
[19:05:08] TTT_Travis: I know linux will work now, but will windows?
[19:05:16] fysa: Media Center won't do that.
[19:05:17] fysa: Media Portal may.
[19:05:19] hjohnson: TTT_Travis: windows will be fine with 3 monitors, my friend runs 4.
[19:05:19] fryfrog: windows is likely to work and be easier to setup than linux
[19:05:24] TTT_Travis: k
[19:05:30] TTT_Travis: windows works with 2 video cards?
[19:05:34] fryfrog: you'd have 3 monitors though, have to move the tv playback to the one you want
[19:05:34] fysa: yep
[19:05:36] TTT_Travis: k
[19:05:37] kormoc: TTT_Travis, yes, it can
[19:05:37] fryfrog: fuck yeah
[19:05:40] TTT_Travis: that answered my question
[19:05:44] hjohnson: 1 for code, 1 for documentation, 1 for IM/comms and 1 for server monitoring.
[19:05:52] TTT_Travis: btw, on windows Meedio is pretty good
[19:05:56] fryfrog: i used to work in a noc where we had one system that ran like 8 monitors from 2 or 3 video cards
[19:06:08] TTT_Travis: I just use Mythtv and Meedio for watching my videos stored on a fileserver
[19:06:12] TTT_Travis: don't use the DVR functions
[19:06:35] TTT_Travis: 2 mythtv boxes, 1 meedio
[19:06:36] ** kormoc blinks **
[19:06:42] hjohnson: fryfrog: heh, back in the day we were doing that with some custom apps, for power management at the hydro company..
[19:06:43] kormoc: that seems wasteful
[19:06:45] ** kormoc shrugs **
[19:06:58] TTT_Travis: have no use for DVR functions
[19:07:02] hjohnson: it was back-ended onto two Mac IIfx's each with 8 video cards to drive the display.
[19:07:06] hjohnson: this was back in the mid 90s.
[19:07:19] |Torg|: if yuo have no use for DVR functions why build a myth box?
[19:07:31] sanmarcos-trabaj: so, for a digital cable box, I dont need an hd capture card, I can just use firewire in?
[19:07:40] sanmarcos-trabaj: because, firewire in is just the mpeg stream right?
[19:07:41] |Torg|: yes sanmarcos-trabaj
[19:07:45] TTT_Travis: is there a way to get menu sounds on mythtv, so like when you move around on the menu you get a little bit more feedback?
[19:07:48] hjohnson: sanmarcos-trabaj: sure, if your cable company isn't screwing you over and encrypting everything.
[19:07:54] kormoc: sanmarcos-trabaj, if you're lucky, aye
[19:07:56] kormoc: TTT_Travis, no
[19:08:04] hjohnson: TTT_Travis: that would be annoying.
[19:08:13] |Torg|: yes kormoc he could write a patch to the code to do it :P
[19:08:18] sanmarcos-trabaj: Time warner here, and also if I had an HDTV card, I could plug it into the wall and get the unencrypted channels?
[19:08:26] kormoc: |Torg|, heh, true enough :P
[19:08:36] |Torg|: of course there better be a turnit off funtion for the rest of us :)
[19:08:47] fryfrog: sanmarcos-trabaj: assuming the company gives you firewire box and it isn't 5c'd
[19:08:49] kormoc: sanmarcos-trabaj, you might be able to get a few, yes, but not likely
[19:09:02] sanmarcos-trabaj: fryfrog, 5c'd?
[19:09:04] kormoc: fryfrog, some stations are requred to not be 5c'ed
[19:09:06] fryfrog: sanmarcos-trabaj: yes, you'd likely get 5 or 6 channels, the same ones you'd get with an arriel
[19:09:12] fryfrog: encrypted
[19:09:13] |Torg|: a "flag" that says you cant record this
[19:09:29] TTT_Travis: also, MythVideo doesn't come up right away when I hit the button on the menu, and it seems to navigate kind of slowly even with keyboard, on a 1.3Ghz athlon computer with 768mb of ram
[19:09:31] kormoc: sanmarcos-trabaj, , legally, they only need to give you some of the channels, but a lot of people are lucky and get all of them
[19:09:31] |Torg|: its not really a borcast flag, but it is in effect one
[19:09:36] TTT_Travis: mythtv just browses a folder
[19:09:37] sanmarcos-trabaj: how does tivo does it then?
[19:09:39] TTT_Travis: maybe thats why
[19:09:51] |Torg|: tv sees it via analog out
[19:10:03] |Torg|: tht or an integraded dvr with directtv
[19:10:06] kormoc: sanmarcos-trabaj, tivo's don't get HD recordings unless they are cable co branded and special
[19:10:18] sanmarcos-trabaj: right, with that little card
[19:10:23] kormoc: TTT_Travis, yes, the plugins are slow, and memory hungry
[19:10:33] kormoc: TTT_Travis, hence why it seems wasteful to not use the stuff that makes it all worth it
[19:10:35] TTT_Travis: is there a way to get my Digital channels on mythtv without having to rent another cable box? or are they encrypted or something?
[19:10:39] |Torg|: plugins anrt slow and memory hungry, themes are
[19:10:59] |Torg|: yes TTT_Travis their encrypted, and not legally no
[19:11:00] TTT_Travis: kormoc well for my purpose it works ok, I couldn't find anything better for linux that did what I wanted
[19:11:01] kormoc: |Torg|, some plugins are. Mythvideo takes up a nice chunk of memory on my box
[19:11:12] TTT_Travis: |Torg| k, that's what I figured
[19:11:17] |Torg|: I think that blootube takes half my memory
[19:11:24] sanmarcos-trabaj: cable companies went through all this trouble so we cant record programs?
[19:11:28] |Torg|: id like to know how to distiguish what is what in memory tho
[19:11:34] kormoc: sanmarcos-trabaj, yes, they try and try
[19:11:34] gardengnome: janne: in 1600x1200: Iulius: 51M, blue: 81M, minimalist-wide: 98M, mythcenter: 120M, blootubelite-wide: 174M, mythcenter-wide: 135M, MePo-wide: 170M, ProjectGrayhem-wide: 190M, Retro und GANT: 215M, Titivillus: 260M, blootube: 299M, ProjectGrayhem: 300M, blootube-wide: 416M
[19:11:37] TTT_Travis: is there a stand alone linux app that does what mythvideo does betteR?
[19:11:54] |Torg|: sanmarcos-trabaj if the cable company had thier way you would pay every time you turned on your TV
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[19:12:07] gardengnome: TTT_Travis: for i in `ls *avi`; do mplayer $i; done
[19:12:07] kormoc: |Torg|, I measure the difference between the main menu and the plugin's main menu, that's close enough for my wants
[19:12:08] gardengnome: ;)
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[19:12:18] |Torg|: they IMPLICLY do not want you to record it, go look up the watch once bullshit they have online
[19:12:18] riddlebox: arghhh I think I will just go buy a nvidia card
[19:12:33] |Torg|: there iea of fair use is how can they repeatly charge you over and over for the same thing
[19:12:40] TTT_Travis: gardengnome yeah...looking more for a nice gui for selecting videos based on folder structure with tags and everything
[19:12:52] TTT_Travis: I actually like Meedio Express a little better for this purpose
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[19:12:57] TTT_Travis: but that's not free either
[19:13:43] sanmarcos-trabaj: gardengnome, mplayer *avi also works
[19:13:59] sanmarcos-trabaj: gardengnome, and dont use `ls` ever.
[19:14:06] |Torg|: kormoc I just profile it, but the segments and labled nicly with things like " this is a jpgs for the background"
[19:14:09] Cardoe: |Torg|: I missed your last reply on the DVB card
[19:14:10] Cardoe: hey kormoc
[19:14:19] sanmarcos-trabaj: for f in *.avi; do mplayer "$f"; done would be the correc method gardengnome
[19:14:22] gardengnome: sanmarcos-trabaj: why not `ls`?
[19:14:25] TTT_Travis: I basically want Front Row for Linux....but better
[19:14:33] |Torg|: Cardoe im soryr I was probbly on the phone, im at work you know :)
[19:14:36] TTT_Travis: front row is too uncustomizable as far as menu structure goes
[19:14:43] TTT_Travis: not to mention slow
[19:14:43] gardengnome: sanmarcos-trabaj: there's always more than one way. i would have used find
[19:14:44] sanmarcos-trabaj: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashPitfalls
[19:14:45] kormoc: mornin' Cardoe
[19:14:49] sanmarcos-trabaj: read the first one
[19:15:00] Cardoe: kormoc: trying to get myth to respect my DVB card..
[19:15:09] Cardoe: kormoc: I don't want it to constantly hold it opened
[19:15:15] Cardoe: I wanna be able to use it for other stuff
[19:15:20] |Torg|: oh did you turn off the EIT scan?
[19:15:31] |Torg|: also look at the BE log and see what it thinks its doing
[19:15:32] TTT_Travis: anyone know where to buy a super cheap IR reciever that works with LIRC? I bought one off ebay a few months ago that worked but it was like $20
[19:15:36] gardengnome: sanmarcos-trabaj: thanks!
[19:15:39] |Torg|: you can check its status too
[19:15:41] TTT_Travis: I need another IR reciever
[19:15:49] kormoc: TTT_Travis, build one
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[19:16:07] |Torg|: there only a few components, and you can builkd it in a serial cable end
[19:16:17] gardengnome: you can get LIRC compatible IR receivers from ebay in germany for like 2€
[19:16:42] sanmarcos-trabaj: and use any remote?
[19:16:43] kormoc: gardengnome, shipping would kill that deal ;)
[19:16:46] gardengnome: i've actually got half of a hombrew IR receiver lying around. i should finish it..
[19:17:08] kormoc: sanmarcos-trabaj, as long as the remote sends on the same freq's the receiver can receive, likely
[19:17:14] gardengnome: kormoc: i'd rather spend 6€ than spending one hour soldering. my soldering iron only has 8W :/
[19:17:25] Cardoe: |Torg|: know where the EIT scan option is in the DB?
[19:17:29] TTT_Travis: finding the parts for the serial ir adds up with shipping
[19:17:30] Cardoe: |Torg|: I'm ssh'd in..
[19:17:33] |Torg|: sanmarcos-trabaj it depends on the remote, there are a few that bcast a freq too high, mostly you will never see them tho
[19:17:34] TTT_Travis: no stores around here would have them
[19:17:38] |Torg|: so yes, it will work
[19:17:39] kormoc: TTT_Travis, radio shack?
[19:17:45] TTT_Travis: nadda
[19:17:45] |Torg|: leme look Cardoe
[19:17:48] Cardoe: |Torg|: according to mythweb... the backend isn't doing anything.
[19:17:49] ** kormoc blinks **
[19:17:56] TTT_Travis: plus radioshack is a rip off
[19:18:07] TTT_Travis: probably would end up costing $20 by time I get it built
[19:18:12] TTT_Travis: maybe I'll order another
[19:18:16] kormoc: TTT_Travis, not for stuff like that. it's only $4.50 for parts
[19:18:37] |Torg|: Cardoe its useeit, in the videosource table
[19:18:43] TTT_Travis: I have part of a IR reciever laying around, it attatched to an old TV tuner, has a 1/8" end
[19:18:46] TTT_Travis: like headphones
[19:19:00] TTT_Travis: is there a way I could use that via that lirc audio thing or something?
[19:19:14] |Torg|: probably
[19:19:15] kormoc: you could try reading lirc's website and seeing
[19:19:57] TTT_Travis: it looks confusing, no real instructions on howto set it up
[19:20:21] |Torg|: put it together, plug it in, run lirc and setup sme commands
[19:20:27] |Torg|: the piece of hwardware is trivial
[19:20:39] |Torg|: its the this is 0, now this is 1, etc thats a pain in the ass
[19:20:57] |Torg|: you can cheat if someone already has a remote set up, if not you get to push and play for an hour
[19:21:40] |Torg|: oh and if you make one config then later have to make another, other then vi I know of now way to merge the two files
[19:22:07] TTT_Travis: the problem is getting the reciever to work with the computer, setting up the remote isn't that hard
[19:22:24] |Torg|: I guess thats a matter of opion then :)
[19:23:41] Cardoe: |Torg|: thx
[19:23:58] |Torg|: Cardoe np hopefully it works tho :_)
[19:25:00] gardengnome: |Torg|: AFAIK, you can just cat two lircd.conf files together
[19:25:20] Cardoe: |Torg|: yep did the trick
[19:25:27] |Torg|: I dont think do gardengnome each have a secion of timing and such in a headding
[19:25:29] Cardoe: I guess EIT won't make a diff for ATSC sources
[19:25:50] |Torg|: EIT didnt give my anything more then zap2it did, in fact it gve less
[19:26:01] |Torg|: I was looking for more episode information, EIT gave none
[19:27:34] |Torg|: http://iguanaworks.net/ir/serial/ this is cool
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[19:29:11] ShiftyPowers: |Torg|, but that would face the back of a system no?
[19:29:28] |Torg|: you could put it on serial cable
[19:29:44] ShiftyPowers: ah yes of course
[19:29:51] |Torg|: im just thiking for a transciever with no osicaltor its cool
[19:30:10] ShiftyPowers: can LIRC support two remotes with reception on one receiver?
[19:30:16] ShiftyPowers: two different types of remotes?
[19:30:33] sanmarcos-trabaj: I dont understand
[19:30:35] |Torg|: depends on if the protocals are simplar as well as the gap etc
[19:30:37] siyb: hmm i want to use the mythtv server on my homeserver, but it seems that i need to have X installed for that, is there antoher way to configure everythin manually? just need an howto could find anything on google
[19:30:38] sanmarcos-trabaj: how do people use the mac mini as a frontend>
[19:30:39] ShiftyPowers: i want to have my Harmony 880 emulate a keywboard as well as a MCE remote
[19:30:42] sanmarcos-trabaj: how do they get their video?
[19:30:47] |Torg|: there isnt a "standard" the remotes hve to go by so its a big IF
[19:30:57] ShiftyPowers: ah
[19:30:58] ShiftyPowers: ok
[19:31:01] kormoc: sanmarcos-trabaj, from the backend?
[19:31:02] ShiftyPowers: i'll read the docs a bit more
[19:31:27] sanmarcos-trabaj: kormoc, oh, video can be streamed from the backend? I though the card was plugged to the frontend
[19:31:42] |Torg|: siyb you need X to display mythfrontend, you dont need it for anything else expect mythwelcome
[19:32:01] kormoc: sanmarcos-trabaj, nope, the backend holds the cards and the recordings
[19:32:02] GreyFoxx: sanmarcos-trabaj: Myth is designed to stream from the backend to the frontend
[19:32:10] siyb: so i cant't just set up things manually
[19:32:10] |Torg|: and if you figure what your harmonay can do tellme, I have one too
[19:32:14] sanmarcos-trabaj: ohhh
[19:32:16] |Torg|: if you want I can gfive you my lirc conf
[19:32:17] GreyFoxx: doesn't mattter if the frontend is on the same box or a different one
[19:32:28] GreyFoxx: so you can have multiple frontends streaming from 1 backend
[19:32:38] sanmarcos-trabaj: right, it doesnt matter if the backend is not powerful, becuase the frontend does the decoding?
[19:32:39] |Torg|: or multiple backends recording
[19:32:57] GreyFoxx: right assuming you have a card that does the encoding of the signal for you
[19:32:59] |Torg|: IF you re captuing HD content the capure dosnt take allot
[19:33:13] |Torg|: if you are WATCHING SD contend the watching does not take allot
[19:33:13] GreyFoxx: DVB, HDTV, PVR cards take almost nothing to record
[19:33:15] ShiftyPowers: |Torg|, sure, send over your lirc.conf or pastebin it
[19:33:26] ShiftyPowers: i want to try and get it to emulate a liteon keyboard
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[19:33:32] ShiftyPowers: it already does an MCE remote perfectly
[19:33:53] sanmarcos-trabaj: oh, so the mac mini is a great front end
[19:34:04] sanmarcos-trabaj: does the apple remote work nice with myth?
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[19:34:37] GreyFoxx: sanmarcos-trabaj: I've never used one so I can't comment on that specifically
[19:35:08] GreyFoxx: all of my frontends have all been either standard pc hardware or msntv2's
[19:35:59] |Torg|: ShiftyPowers http://www.pastebin.ca/341630
[19:36:10] ShiftyPowers: thanks man
[19:36:18] ShiftyPowers: i'll let you know if I manage to do anything productive
[19:36:41] sanmarcos-trabaj: so, as far as I heard, the mac mini can do 720p fine, but not 1080?
[19:38:47] ShiftyPowers: |Torg|, so you have a harmony as well?
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[19:39:27] sanmarcos-trabaj: is it possible to hoop up the DVI out of the mac mini to a SDTV through s-video or compsoite?
[19:39:28] |Torg|: and yes I do
[19:39:44] ShiftyPowers: gotcha
[19:39:46] |Torg|: DVI to compsoite is ok, SVI to HDMI is better
[19:39:50] ShiftyPowers: ok, I'll see if both work then
[19:39:59] ShiftyPowers: MCE + R-5E50
[19:40:07] |Torg|: leme know how that works for you, I am still playing with settings
[19:40:36] |Torg|: I may hve called it a mini-firefly im not entirely sure
[19:40:50] ShiftyPowers: if I remember correctly, for two remotes you need to add remote = lines in lircrc right
[19:40:56] ShiftyPowers: to identify each control for each button
[19:41:15] |Torg|: no all I did was setup a conffig file, and run lircd
[19:41:19] |Torg|: then restart the FE
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[19:41:36] ShiftyPowers: ah
[19:41:49] |Torg|: normalu you would hav to setup a config by going thouh each button, thats what I gave you (I already did that part)
[19:41:55] nn: what's a recommended setup for doing digital cable box -> mythtv via usb?
[19:42:00] |Torg|: I played with it for nearly a week untill I got it where I wanted it
[19:42:37] nn: im wanting to eventually setup many set-top machines which use mythtv to share content over the network, stored on our in-house management server
[19:43:49] nn: i really only need to control and view the local cable box with the set-tops
[19:44:24] nn: or am i better of to put a few tuners in the server and attach them to their own cable boxes? :)
[19:45:16] stuarta: evening all
[19:51:04] ShiftyPowers: |Torg|, for my info, what kind of IR receiver do you have?
[19:53:01] |Torg|: im using a irman, and I called it a .19-svn according to tech support
[19:53:50] |Torg|: if it dosnt work becuse of the differing recivers I can walk you though teching it how to learn the commands
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[19:55:22] ShiftyPowers: yeah, my receiver is a USB UIRT
[19:55:28] ShiftyPowers: i put in the new lircd.conf info
[19:55:39] |Torg|: and what does it do/not do?
[19:55:42] ShiftyPowers: for a new remote and then entered R-5E50 in the logitech
[19:55:51] ShiftyPowers: and then irw doesn't recognize buttons from that remote
[19:56:03] ShiftyPowers: but if I swtich the harmony back to my MCE configuration irw sees the commands
[19:56:19] |Torg|: ok I was wrong when I said to use r-5e50 I called my ir a .19-svn
[19:56:28] ShiftyPowers: ah
[19:56:37] ShiftyPowers: i have an ir transceiver as well
[19:56:37] |Torg|: I dont use .19 I use trunk-svn, its just what I called it in the harmony setup
[19:56:40] ShiftyPowers: maybe i should install that
[19:56:53] ShiftyPowers: to be able to teach the remote any command at all no?
[19:57:33] ShiftyPowers: yeah, so you're saying using irrecord then eh?
[19:57:44] |Torg|: yessir isnt that what I said :P
[19:57:50] |Torg|: I irrecorded a conf file
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[19:58:07] ShiftyPowers: :)
[19:58:24] ShiftyPowers: but you called it .190-svn under Computer|Media Center PC|MythTV?
[19:58:32] ShiftyPowers: i only see .20
[19:58:39] ShiftyPowers: not sure it makes a difference
[19:59:02] |Torg|: yes I *think* it was under computer/media
[19:59:12] |Torg|: it may be under computer/computer too
[19:59:23] ShiftyPowers: ok, let me try this one again
[19:59:34] ShiftyPowers: btw, I imagine all hte adjustments to the harmony you have to do in Windows right?
[19:59:40] ShiftyPowers: have you figured out a way to do it in linux?
[19:59:59] |Torg|: I do it via a webborwser
[20:00:08] |Torg|: dont you have a browser on linux???
[20:00:08] ShiftyPowers: hmm, how do you do that/
[20:00:19] ShiftyPowers: yeah but then you have to update the remote no?
[20:00:26] ShiftyPowers: via USB
[20:00:50] TTT_Travis: ok, I am having tons of problems with mplayer now on this computer
[20:00:56] |Torg|: no I do that with my winows box
[20:00:57] TTT_Travis: lips get out of sync
[20:01:01] TTT_Travis: I tried vlc and it works fine
[20:01:05] TTT_Travis: what's the problem?
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[20:03:44] |Torg|: AHH ok ShiftyPowers here it is
[20:04:33] |Torg|: slect add device/video recorder/PVR
[20:04:47] |Torg|: as the type put something, then selct 0.19-SVN
[20:04:52] |Torg|: its should be recomended anyway
[20:05:15] ikke_: good evening, anyone here willing to help in tuning? experiencing some bug here.
[20:05:46] ShiftyPowers: there it is!
[20:06:01] |Torg|: I also moved the LCD menu arround a bit
[20:06:09] Krazylegz: Man, I still need a new remote for my Mythbox.
[20:06:16] Krazylegz: kormoc: Fix.
[20:06:17] |Torg|: mostly I did this to set up the remote to move the menu, not those buttons
[20:06:33] |Torg|: and I still use my wireless keyboard, but my wfe uses the remove
[20:06:40] ShiftyPowers: yeah
[20:06:41] |Torg|: in fact you cant pry it from her fingers
[20:06:56] ShiftyPowers: my goal is to get the harmony to have a device configured that emulates all the keys in a keyboard
[20:07:07] |Torg|: cant, not enough keys
[20:07:07] ShiftyPowers: that way I can set up several macro buttons in the Activity section
[20:07:17] ShiftyPowers: but through the LCD keys no?
[20:07:26] |Torg|: I jsut have mine switch tv inputs, av inputs, and setup to the myth boix
[20:07:35] |Torg|: you stil have to pwoer on and off the mythboxes by hand
[20:07:46] |Torg|: still you would need to teach it how to do a key
[20:07:51] ShiftyPowers: yeah, my mythbox is my main backend as well
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[20:07:56] |Torg|: do you have a wireless keyboard with ir?
[20:07:58] siyb: where do i set the backend masterserver in the frontend (is the master backend server ip euivialent to the mysql host?)
[20:08:14] |Torg|: no siyb there all differnt
[20:08:26] |Torg|: your mysql server MAY be on the backend, it does not HAVE to be
[20:08:39] ShiftyPowers: it most likely would be though
[20:08:42] ShiftyPowers: in a default install no?
[20:08:47] |Torg|: the BE must be able to connect to mysql for its settings, as does the fe
[20:08:55] siyb: kay, but i can't find a setting for the master backend server, where do i set its ip ?
[20:08:57] kormoc: Krazylegz, you've been told what one to buy :P
[20:09:06] |Torg|: you mean, like in a defult if yuo took someones distro instrucitns, yes
[20:09:30] |Torg|: siyb in the genral tab of mythtv-setup, I think its the first box in fact
[20:09:52] siyb: cheers, i feel like a complete dau for asking that
[20:09:59] |Torg|: ShiftyPowers do you see what I mean by you need a remote to teach those other keys?
[20:10:16] ShiftyPowers: yeah i know
[20:10:26] ShiftyPowers: i'm seeing that
[20:10:32] |Torg|: siyb its ok I do storge for a living and often confuse raid 0 and 1
[20:10:42] |Torg|: ive only been doing it now for 10 years!
[20:11:03] siyb: hrhr well |Torg| on the first tab i got the mysql settings and there is nothing else afterwards
[20:11:12] siyb: i think i am gonna cry
[20:11:26] |Torg|: holdon leme start mine to show you
[20:11:44] siyb: took me like 5 minutes to set up the tvcard and i am working on mythtv for over an hour i think
[20:11:48] siyb: :/
[20:12:01] |Torg|: what kind of card is it?
[20:12:18] siyb: wintv
[20:12:20] siyb: 350
[20:12:22] siyb: works fine
[20:12:42] |Torg|: I was going to ask if you made sure it worked first, sounds like it
[20:12:49] siyb: the thing is that i use the card on my homeserver and i want to connect with my desktop
[20:12:54] |Torg|: making sure it works first will save you hours of hadache in mythtv
[20:12:59] siyb: works fine
[20:13:06] siyb: module loaded without probs
[20:13:11] siyb: firmware installed etc
[20:13:11] siyb: :>
[20:13:28] siyb: i got the frontend on my desktop and the backend at my server
[20:13:37] |Torg|: ok the first screen shod have settings where the master server is and the ip address that server is
[20:13:44] |Torg|: they differ in if you have slave masters
[20:13:56] siyb: hmm my first screen is mysql settings
[20:14:02] siyb: when i do setup -> general
[20:14:03] |Torg|: essentailly make both boxes the same IP address, and dont make then 127.0.0.1
[20:14:25] |Torg|: you sure? mysql.txt has the settings for where to get the data from
[20:15:05] |Torg|: in ~/.mythtv/ should be a file mysql.txt
[20:15:21] siyb: yep
[20:15:27] |Torg|: in it are 5 lines that have ip address, login and password, type of login
[20:15:43] siyb: so wait i need the frontend mysql.txt to üoint at the server's mysql database right
[20:15:43] siyb: ?
[20:15:49] |Torg|: that tells the programs where to look for the databasem they they go into it and get out their settings
[20:15:59] siyb: ah kay
[20:16:09] |Torg|: you dotn put conneciton setgins for mysql in the setup as it is stored in that DB
[20:16:20] |Torg|: you would have a chiekn and egg problem then
[20:16:54] |Torg|: depending on your distro you MAY have a /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt too
[20:17:05] |Torg|: I think knoppix does that
[20:17:14] siyb: debian as well
[20:17:15] siyb: :<
[20:17:17] siyb: :>*
[20:17:48] siyb: kay my config is like this now: backend server and mysql db running on my homeserver, frontend is installed on my desktop
[20:17:58] siyb: so i need to frontend to point at the mysqldb
[20:18:01] Krazylegz: kormoc: I keep forgetting. :-)
[20:18:07] Krazylegz: Did you say the Windows MCE remote last time?
[20:18:46] kormoc: Aye
[20:19:56] kormoc: Krazylegz, http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/pNa . . . ndows-xp-mce
[20:21:45] Krazylegz: Thanks.
[20:23:47] sanmarcos-trabaj: so, anybody want to share pictures of their setups?
[20:23:55] sanmarcos-trabaj: and while you are at it too, your girlfriends
[20:23:59] |Torg|: pictures? its just a box
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[20:24:23] |Torg|: and my wife wouldnt like me sharing picutures of my girlfriends :P
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[20:28:50] Krazylegz: kormoc: Is that a good deal or something?
[20:34:29] GreyFoxx: IT's funny. I think I only have a couple photos of 1 of my msntv frontends, none of the other machines
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[20:36:43] gbee: reckon 255 chars is enough for a full path, or does it need to be more?
[20:36:45] gbee: wrong window
[20:37:09] siyb: |Torg|, may I query you for some questions Oo
[20:37:17] siyb: i looked through the wiki
[20:37:26] siyb: and there are some things which are not clear to me
[20:40:30] hardnova: hi whats SDL display type and how do i know if im using that ?
[20:40:44] |Torg|: holdon
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[20:49:17] |Torg|: ok I gota confernce call in about 10 mins, whats your question?
[20:50:10] siyb: me?
[20:50:26] |Torg|: yes
[20:50:30] siyb: you meant this setup screen right --> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythtv-setup
[20:50:41] siyb: because i dont have that
[20:50:46] siyb: i just have the client
[20:51:07] siyb: and i could't find a way to configure the backend without installing an xserve
[20:51:10] |Torg|: yes, you need to set that up
[20:51:11] siyb: which sucks
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[20:51:27] |Torg|: you could directly input the settings to the db
[20:51:31] siyb: well isn't there another way apart from the xcrap, because i kept the server x clean
[20:51:33] justinh: evening all
[20:51:35] siyb: hmm ka
[20:51:35] siyb: y
[20:51:35] |Torg|: but you would have to know what tables, what cards, etc
[20:51:42] siyb: omfg
[20:51:46] |Torg|: if you dont have X tho, how do you expect to wtch tv?
[20:51:55] siyb: well i have the client installed on my
[20:51:58] Beirdo: siyb, if you have X on another machine, just use X on that machine, set DISPLAY
[20:51:59] siyb: desktop
[20:52:08] |Torg|: what is the desktop of your machine
[20:52:10] Beirdo: or use ssh to tunnel the X
[20:52:13] |Torg|: and what is its ip?
[20:52:27] siyb: and my desktop
[20:52:32] |Torg|: Beirdo is geting ahead of me :P
[20:52:39] |Torg|: what is that desktop running?
[20:52:40] Beirdo: sorry, |Torg| :)
[20:52:53] |Torg|: its ok, your gona help him when I get on this call :P
[20:52:58] siyb: puh that will be a lot of fun
[20:53:13] Puh_: ?
[20:53:16] Beirdo: well, I'll probably be taking the puppy out (again)
[20:53:22] justinh: siyb: don't be so unappreciative
[20:53:49] siyb: kay
[20:54:05] siyb: <justinh> siyb: don't be so unappreciative <-- where have i been unappreciative
[20:54:07] siyb: ?
[20:54:24] justinh: puh that will be a lot of fun
[20:54:26] |Torg|: if you get an error on the second box type that same export DISPLAY coammnad and try again
[20:54:37] |Torg|: once all that is setup type mythtv-set and it should come out on the second box
[20:54:49] siyb: justinh, well i mthink you misunderstood me there
[20:54:54] |Torg|: what Beirdo said ealier
[20:55:08] siyb: kay
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[20:57:56] |Torg|: I have nver run mythtv-setup on my own BE, it has an ati card and dosnt even hve X configured (it is installed). I always run it remote like I showed you (mostly to my laptop running vmware and linux)
[20:58:04] |Torg|: its a bit slow, but it works, just be patient
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[21:02:58] Beirdo: how's the winter in Vienna this year, siyb?
[21:03:13] siyb: well same as everywhere, sucks
[21:03:16] siyb: no snow at all
[21:03:17] siyb: :>
[21:03:34] Beirdo: heh. Doesn't suck here (Puerto Rico). Likewise no snow
[21:04:11] siyb: hrhr well i moved here a year ago
[21:04:15] Beirdo: frigging cold too, I loved it (grew up in the cold of Canada, so I was kinda used to it)
[21:04:20] siyb: <-- actually from germany
[21:04:23] Beirdo: ah
[21:04:25] Beirdo: :)
[21:04:37] ** Beirdo is from Canada, now lives in Puerto Rico **
[21:04:49] siyb: hrhr canada must be nice
[21:05:01] Beirdo: it is, but lots of snow.
[21:05:04] siyb: i really missed skiing this winter
[21:05:25] siyb: canada is pretty tollerant as well
[21:05:53] Beirdo: oooh, yeah, move back to the alps, Austria and Germany both have nice skiing places :) Not much skiing in Vienna, for sure
[21:06:15] siyb: hrhr yea but the slopes are not far away
[21:06:16] siyb: :>
[21:06:18] Beirdo: yes, it is. I liked it there, but I like it here too. A bit more Spanish than I can handle sometimes, but it's never cold
[21:06:24] siyb: so it doesnt really matter
[21:06:34] Beirdo: yah, I guess. :)
[21:07:37] Beirdo: I'd rather be on the beach (or even better – in the ocean) than ski, personally
[21:07:51] siyb: welll i like it balanced
[21:08:11] siyb: but this year was a real pos
[21:08:16] siyb: no real summer, no real winter
[21:08:21] Beirdo: that sucks
[21:08:26] siyb: seemed to be spring and autumn the whole time
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[21:08:35] siyb: summer was cold and short
[21:09:18] siyb: i could really use some sun
[21:09:27] Beirdo: well, this has been my first winter here... The low temperature where I am is about 22Cm at night
[21:09:54] siyb: arg dont wanna hear it :>, vienna is so windy, ergo cold
[21:10:15] Beirdo: and it's usually about 30C in the day in the winter. :) SO different from Canada
[21:10:35] Beirdo: yes, I remember the wind, it was kinda refreshing at times
[21:10:56] siyb: yyeaa in the summer it might be great but in winter when it's raining *barf*
[21:11:06] Beirdo: heh, true
[21:12:03] siyb: kay i dissapear something went wrong (trying to use other display now :>)
[21:12:11] Beirdo: good luck
[21:12:12] riddlebox: |Torg|, hey, went to the computer store picked up a new nvidia fx5200 card, now I have mythtv back on my tv, and also picked up a super quiet fan, so I dont even hear it running now!
[21:12:40] |Torg|: cool
[21:13:34] siyb: arg tells me that he cant connect to xserver
[21:13:42] siyb: gotta make something to eat
[21:13:47] |Torg|: what error, exactly?
[21:13:48] siyb: help my gf
[21:13:52] Beirdo: make sure to do the xhost + on the machine running X
[21:14:19] Beirdo: yes, tend to the woman, they usually appreciate it :)
[21:14:19] siyb: Ixion:/root$ mythtv-setup
[21:14:44] Beirdo: I think you need the .0 IIRC
[21:14:49] |Torg|: on the remote box, do what Beirdo said, open a command prompt and type "xhost +"
[21:14:59] riddlebox: is there anything I can do to stop some lines from going up through the tv screen while the pc is connected to it, it is two lines that scroll up the screen over and over
[21:15:06] siyb: kay i will do but first i need some food
[21:15:11] siyb: :>
[21:15:12] siyb: brb#
[21:15:29] |Torg|: riddlebox what kind of tv is this?
[21:16:03] Beirdo: heh. food at 22:15. siyb's definitely a geek
[21:16:07] riddlebox: |Torg|, a norcent 29 inch tv
[21:16:23] |Torg|: sounds like the TV has a vhold problem
[21:16:25] riddlebox: it is only like 2 years ol
[21:16:27] riddlebox: d
[21:16:27] |Torg|: that or the connection is loose
[21:16:29] siyb: hrhr
[21:16:53] riddlebox: or maybe a cable issue?
[21:16:59] |Torg|: yes
[21:17:09] riddlebox: cool my new card came with a new cable I will try that
[21:17:35] riddlebox: got the new card for $50
[21:17:44] |Torg|: yes, their cheap
[21:17:59] riddlebox: and $30 for the new fan
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[21:18:50] |Torg|: ouch I think I paied $15 for a box of 6
[21:19:19] riddlebox: |Torg|, to me it is worth it now to not hear the pc running in my entertainment center
[21:19:59] |Torg|: yea I guess so, I dont worry about sound I have a DLP TV. that and the AV reviver make more then the BE with 5 disk try fans and the cose open
[21:20:19] |Torg|: quiet donst exactly define any of it :)
[21:21:08] riddlebox: lol
[21:21:45] |Torg|: that 5200 should work nicly tho
[21:21:49] riddlebox: I hope I can fix this line issue
[21:22:07] |Torg|: these are vertical lines, in the middle of teh screen?
[21:22:12] riddlebox: yeah my last 5200 worked great, but that one had a fan on it, this one doesnt
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[21:22:40] n0ttas: hi
[21:22:43] n0ttas: wussup
[21:22:45] n0ttas: ok
[21:22:51] riddlebox: |Torg|, horizontal lines that move up the screen, it is like two lines with a little lighter area between them
[21:23:08] Dibblah: Ground loop.
[21:23:16] |Torg|: thats eletrical interfearnace
[21:23:24] n0ttas: ok so what kinda card do I need for Tima Warner Cable DIGITAL box? w or w/o firewire?
[21:23:26] |Torg|: like bad shiled, or bad gound like Dibblah said
[21:23:37] riddlebox: so it is probably my cable then
[21:23:43] Dibblah: http://www.epanorama.net/documents/groundloop/
[21:23:52] kslater: thought that I saw a param that allowed me to indicate that the OTA HD card was used exclusively or not, looking in the DB (don't have access to setup from here), it would seem this is a flag in cardinput?
[21:24:02] |Torg|: n0ttas if you use firewire, none. If you want to capture, an alog card. If you want to capture digital, you cant
[21:24:20] Dibblah: "bad" ground is hardly ever the problem.
[21:24:30] Dibblah: It's usually too *many* grounds.
[21:24:55] Dibblah: Grounding should only happen from one place in your system.
[21:25:04] Dibblah: Everything else should be floating.
[21:26:17] Dibblah: Specifically, power everything from one power bar, making sure that bar has a good earth and good earths are attached to each device.
[21:26:36] fightclub: i just installed mythtv and I have 2 120 GB drives I want to use for storage... these drives are separate from the disk that the OS and myth is on... what fs should i use for these disks?
[21:26:37] n0ttas: |Torg|: so firewired I cannot capture ?
[21:27:00] Dibblah: And don't allow any interconnects between the earths of each device – Such as shields on cabling, etc.
[21:27:00] kormoc: Krazylegz, it's a okay price, just an example of the remote I'd recommend
[21:27:10] |Torg|: firewire can capture, IF its not encrypted, and IF your box allows it. Then you need a firewire input and no card
[21:27:19] riddlebox: Dibblah, should I try to remove things from the power strip then?
[21:27:20] Dagmar: You might want to clarify what you mean by "grounding should only happen from one place" and "good earths are attached to each device"
[21:27:36] n0ttas: |Torg|: so how do I find out all that stuff?
[21:27:37] Dibblah: Dagmar: Why?
[21:27:45] Dagmar: Dibblah: Because they contradict
[21:27:52] Dibblah: No, they do not.
[21:27:57] n0ttas: by the way I haven't seen firewire on Time Wraner Cable, only a USB
[21:28:01] Dagmar: If you speak English, they do.
[21:28:09] Dibblah: No, they do not.
[21:28:12] Dagmar: Whatever
[21:28:23] |Torg|: n0ttas you have to ask, and you have to hope
[21:28:28] gbee: fightclub: xfs is generally recommend, or jfs – they handle large files well, especially deletion of large files
[21:28:48] Dibblah: Ground ---- power bar -+ devices
[21:28:57] Dibblah: In a star formation.
[21:28:59] n0ttas: |Torg|: wait so noone here has Time Warner Cable?
[21:29:06] n0ttas: that would sux grand time
[21:29:07] fightclub: gbee, k thanks... ill go with xfs... does have my storage on another drive effect performace?
[21:29:09] Dibblah: And no interconnects between each device.
[21:29:10] |Torg|: its not who has time warner
[21:29:24] |Torg|: its who has time warner, on your node, in your netighbordd, run by your local afilaite
[21:29:30] Como[]Lappy: http://www.mcmaster.com/param/images/stacers/91145a110a.gif <- what would that be called?
[21:29:34] n0ttas: I think the Firewire I DO can get it, the encryption part no idea
[21:29:43] gbee: fightclub: improves performance generally
[21:29:50] riddlebox: Dibblah, should I then run a ground to my power strip if it will take a ground?
[21:30:07] fightclub: gbee, thanks for the info
[21:30:08] Dagmar: Your power strip is a three prong outlet job, right?
[21:30:15] gbee: because the database and the recorder aren't fighting for disk io
[21:30:18] riddlebox: Dagmar, yes it is
[21:30:23] Dagmar: Guess what the big wire is
[21:30:31] riddlebox: thats why I was wondering
[21:31:15] n0ttas: by the way I was about to order the account with several boxes so I can play in different TV's and have two screens on a same monitor, is that possible?
[21:31:21] Dibblah: The other problem you may have is the ground loop is on your cable box.
[21:31:37] riddlebox: Dibblah, no cable box
[21:31:47] Dibblah: Ah. Lucky, then.
[21:32:11] Dagmar: riddlebox: Do you know how to use a multimeter to check an outlet?
[21:32:18] |Torg|: n0ttas when you order cable tell them you want a box with firewire out, and connect it to your BE. Hopefully yu will not have 5C and it will work
[21:32:24] Dibblah: Dagmar: Don't even suggest it.
[21:32:25] |Torg|: you will need one for each input
[21:32:32] riddlebox: Dagmar, I am a phone tech, it is a standard :)
[21:32:34] Dagmar: What the hell ever man.
[21:32:40] Dagmar: I install freaking outlets in datacenters
[21:32:44] Dibblah: It's really not worth dying over a ground loop :)
[21:32:46] siyb: Beirdo, kay i am back, well i disabled my xserver's access control but still can't connect
[21:33:03] Dagmar: riddlebox: Okay, then I guess it's safe to say you've probably checked your home outlets for sanity then
[21:33:09] n0ttas: |Torg|: what's BE? 5C doesn't work?
[21:33:16] riddlebox: Dagmar, yeah
[21:33:33] |Torg|: BE is my abreviation for BackEnd, the thing that records and schedules TV
[21:33:46] |Torg|: 5C is encrytion for firewire, says you cant record off of it
[21:33:47] riddlebox: Dagmar, I probably need to put this entire outfit on a UPS would that help at all?
[21:34:07] |Torg|: its the cable companyes well of telling the FCC to go fuck themsleves and there going to get that bordcast flag anyay
[21:34:15] Dagmar: It would clean up noise, well if you have a GOOD one it would, but it would clean up noise in the power that might be causing issues
[21:34:34] Dagmar: Typically it's not going to affect the stuff that makes speakers buzz
[21:34:42] |Torg|: if you can get ATSC tv, I would HIGHLY suggest you tell the cable company to shove it and get an anteann, but that is purly my opinion
[21:34:48] Dagmar: It's good for causing it tho if you have some stuff plugged into the UPS and some stuf fnot
[21:35:17] siyb: do i have to start ssh with forwarding x in order to connect
[21:35:27] |Torg|: no but yu can
[21:35:33] Dagmar: siyb: Are you trying to forward X applications?
[21:35:34] riddlebox: Dagmar, the weird part is that my surround sound did not buzz until I plugged my sound from pc into it now it buzzes and I have the lines on my tv also when I am on s-video
[21:35:37] Dibblah: Easiest way to diagnose the problem is start disconnecting inter-device cables.
[21:35:50] |Torg|: Dagmar he is trying to get mythtv-setup run on a remote box
[21:36:04] siyb: exactly
[21:36:04] siyb: :>
[21:36:05] Dagmar: Okay, then he probably *is* trying to forward an X application.
[21:36:10] siyb: yep
[21:36:17] |Torg|: yes he is
[21:36:21] Dagmar: Yeah, you need to turn one thing on from the default openssh installation
[21:36:28] siyb: i have never had to do something like that
[21:36:41] siyb: hm kays
[21:36:43] siyb: -s
[21:37:07] |Torg|: n0ttas chances are you can record anything off that firewire except premium channels
[21:37:16] siyb: X11Forwarding yes <-- is that the setting
[21:37:16] Dagmar: siyb: It's freakin' easy. Edit /etc/sshd/sshd_config (or maybe /etc/sshd_config) *on the box that has mythtv-setup on it* and uncomment the line that says "X11Forwarding no" and change the "no" to a "yes"
[21:37:17] Dibblah: siyb: On the server you want to run the app on change /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[21:37:17] siyb: ?
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[21:37:44] Dagmar: siyb: Then restart your sshd using the init script, like `/etc/init.d/sshd restart`
[21:37:57] siyb: well the setting is default on my box anyway
[21:37:58] siyb: :>
[21:38:00] Dibblah: Then login to a new ssh setting.
[21:38:04] Dagmar: DO NOT run killall -HUP sshd or something like that unless you want to be suddenly logged out
[21:38:04] Dibblah: session, even.
[21:38:34] Dagmar: You should be able to just use `ssh -X hostname` to connect to the box with mythtv-setup on it, and try `echo $DISPLAY`
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[21:38:47] Dibblah: Is the machine truely remote, or is it on your local network?
[21:39:07] siyb: lan :>
[21:39:09] |Torg|: ssh -X should be default
[21:39:34] Dagmar: The files openssh itself ships with do not turn either of these things on by default
[21:39:44] n0ttas: |Torg|: the premiums are the ones above 100? Or just those like HBO and the pay-per-view
[21:39:47] Dibblah: on the server you want to run the app from, with the IP address of your X server.
[21:40:02] fightclub: ok so i formated the drives as xfs, and now i need to mount them... where is the best place to mount these for mythtv to see... or does it not matter?
[21:40:14] fightclub: gbee, ^
[21:40:15] Dibblah: You'll also have to make sure X is listening on network and that host authentication or cookies allows you access.
[21:40:25] Dagmar: Not likely
[21:40:31] |Torg|: n0ttas I dont know your lignup but probabbly. Things like HBO would be included
[21:40:46] Dagmar: The whole point is to avoid X having to listen on the network
[21:40:52] Dagmar: It only needs to listen to localhost
[21:41:00] Dagmar: ssh *tunnels* it
[21:41:01] Beirdo: fightclub, pretty much anywhere, but try to avoid mounting them as /usr, /var, /home, /bin, etc :)
[21:41:15] Dibblah: ... Therefore skipping _all_ of the design principals of X. Nice.
[21:41:28] fightclub: haha ok... that should be easy enough...
[21:41:29] Beirdo: there's another advantage of X over ssh
[21:41:35] Beirdo: it's called compression :)
[21:41:44] siyb: i connected to the machine which holds mythtv-setup using ssh -x, i changed the display and ran mythtv-setup
[21:41:48] Beirdo: you can actually easily compress X traffic, makes it much faster
[21:42:00] Beirdo: (inside an ssh tunnel that is)
[21:42:08] Dibblah: Depends how expensive CPU time is...
[21:42:10] Dagmar: There's a reason sshd sets DISPLAY to localhost:10.0
[21:42:27] Dagmar: siyb: Capital X
[21:42:33] Dibblah: Dagmar: Shockingly enough, I do know how it works.
[21:42:46] Beirdo: and the "design principles" of X are almost 30 years old, and don't really offer real security without some help.
[21:42:48] siyb: did that dagmar
[21:42:49] Dagmar: Dibblah: Then quit being argumentative
[21:42:49] Beirdo: :)
[21:42:50] siyb: :>
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[21:43:07] Dagmar: siyb: Lowercase -x disables it.
[21:43:22] Dibblah: Beirdo: Sure!
[21:43:26] siyb: well did the uppercase one just forgot to caps it here ^^
[21:43:27] Dagmar: siyb: The moment you have ssh'd in, DISPLAY should already be set correctly.
[21:43:35] Dagmar: siyb: No problem
[21:43:51] siyb: ah kay
[21:43:59] siyb: so no need to export any env. vars
[21:44:00] Beirdo: anyways, both ways should work :) I often use X-over-ssh even on my lan... just out of habit
[21:44:00] siyb: lay
[21:44:08] Dibblah: However, people running X on anything that's not actually behind a NAT router is somewhat rare.
[21:44:09] Dagmar: This is why I was suggesting to just echo $DISPLAY immediately to check it
[21:44:36] Dagmar: If you change X to actually point at the IP address of the remote machine, ssh isn't going to tunnel it
[21:44:37] Beirdo: heh, true, home users without NAT are exceedingly rare
[21:44:48] Dagmar: THEN you have to stress out over authentication stuff
[21:45:02] Dibblah: Cookies aren't difficult.
[21:45:11] Beirdo: mmmm. coookie
[21:45:18] Dibblah: Even <shudder> host based authentication isn't too bad.
[21:45:27] |Torg|: yes Dibblah but milk is
[21:45:41] Dibblah: Milk is easy!
[21:45:48] Dagmar: siyb: Anyway, once you've made your ssh connection, xterm is probablyt teh easiest thing to test with. It should appear almost immediately on your local display
[21:45:51] robbins876: i'm lactose intolerant
[21:45:53] Dibblah: Few hormone tablets and you're set.
[21:46:18] Dagmar: siyb: If the xterm works, then just kill it off and run mythtv-setup
[21:46:34] Beirdo: hehe, or just run mythtv-setup from the xterm
[21:46:53] xris: Beirdo: woah, you're alive!
[21:47:02] Beirdo: yeah, mostly
[21:47:08] Fifth: you guys ever run into a problem where the master backend server is running just fine but mythtv loses socket connection with it when you try to access upcoming recordings or view recordings? restarting mythbackend seems to fix it but i keep having to do it
[21:47:18] siyb: thx Dagmar
[21:47:42] Beirdo: right now, I'm rsyncing 32G across wireless to my fileserver from a harddrive from my busted laptop
[21:47:47] Beirdo: takin forever
[21:48:18] Dagmar: siyb: Although you might want to be a little more exacting about the hostname wildcards. heh
[21:48:50] Beirdo: hehe
[21:49:04] Beirdo: compression to an old 386 running ssh is painful though, let me tell ya
[21:49:10] Beirdo: ssh is hard enough on it
[21:49:38] Beirdo: that machine is gone now, though (whew)
[21:49:50] Dagmar: Meh for a 386 I'd turn encryption to blowfish or just *off* on the local network
[21:50:09] Beirdo: yeah, blowfish, and don't try compression unless you're patient
[21:50:34] hads: I get 6–7MB/s from my fileserver with rsync, with compression enabled that drops to some KB/s
[21:50:57] Dagmar: wow
[21:50:58] hads: It's only a little EPIA 600
[21:51:01] Dagmar: Ah
[21:51:09] Beirdo: ahhh, wussie CPU will do that for sure
[21:51:09] Dibblah: I've topped out at 50Mbytes / sec...
[21:51:32] Beirdo: when you have pretty much all AMD64 machines, compression is no longer an issue at all
[21:51:52] hads: True. I like my little wussie boxes though :)
[21:52:02] Beirdo: but of course :)
[21:52:22] Beirdo: but data compression/decompression sure ain't their forte :)
[21:54:53] ** bagpuss_thecat sighs as evdev and lircd fail to see eye to eye **
[21:54:57] bagpuss_thecat: again :-(
[21:55:56] Beirdo: smashy smashy!
[21:57:39] Dibblah: Bah. I assume noone here has a moderately recent source version of MythRecipe?
[21:58:14] fightclub: when i mount my xfs drives for mythtv, should i use 'user', or 'users' or niehter (in fstab)
[21:59:17] Dagmar: fightclub: Neither
[21:59:48] Dagmar: fightclub: And you shouldn't go pushing those tokens into /etc/fstab without understanding what they do in the first place.
[21:59:50] fightclub: Dagmar, ok, why is that?... what does not using them do?
[22:00:16] Dagmar: fightclub: man mount, man fstab
[22:00:23] fightclub: ok
[22:01:12] fightclub: thanks for the help everyone
[22:01:14] siyb: Dagmar, still doesnt work, did everything you said :P
[22:01:34] siyb: ssh -X wont't export the DISPLAY
[22:01:37] Dagmar: siyb: So which thing didn't work
[22:02:12] Dagmar: siyb: Did you restart the remote sshd?
[22:02:13] siyb: well debian standard is that mythtv@Ixion:~$ cat /etc/ssh/sshd_config | grep X11 --> X11Forwarding yes is turned on
[22:02:26] Dagmar: Okay, that's at least moderately handy
[22:02:28] siyb: no need to it's in the config by default
[22:02:29] Dagmar: Saves a step
[22:02:34] siyb: well
[22:02:52] siyb: next step i connected from my desktop top my server using -> ssh mythtv@ixion
[22:03:00] siyb: did echo $DISPLAY
[22:03:04] siyb: which was empty
[22:03:14] Dagmar: did you modify your ~/.ssh/ssh_config first?
[22:03:28] Dagmar: ...on the box you are ssh'ing FROM
[22:03:30] Beirdo: ssh -X mythtv@ixion if not :)
[22:03:34] Dagmar: namely your desktop which is running linux
[22:03:36] siyb: arg overread that
[22:03:46] siyb: sorry
[22:03:47] siyb: -.-
[22:03:53] siyb: been working the whole day
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[22:05:06] siyb: could you please copy the modification again i cant find them anymore
[22:05:21] siyb: i should probably take a break
[22:06:08] Dagmar: siyb: http://www.pastebin.ca/341853
[22:06:24] siyb: cheers
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[22:11:06] plb: i have a channel not listed in datadirect. Is it still possible to get channel info?
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[22:11:23] Dagmar: plb: realistically no
[22:11:46] siyb: i give
[22:11:49] siyb: up
[22:11:57] Dagmar: Not unless you want to dig around on the net and maybe get lucky with finding schedule listings on that channel's website and rig up your own grabber
[22:12:00] siyb: i am gonna install x on the server now -.-
[22:12:05] plb: damn
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[22:14:25] plb: juski needs to hurry up and finish this neon-wide theme
[22:14:28] plb: looks quite nice
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[22:17:59] robbins876: plb: got a link to it?
[22:18:15] plb: 1 mo
[22:18:49] plb: http://www.juski.co.uk/
[22:18:56] plb: click on neon-wide on the side for screenshots
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[22:19:46] plb: heh
[22:19:50] plb: speakin of juski
[22:19:52] plb: there he is
[22:19:54] juski: plb: you just set the release date back a few months
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[22:19:59] plb: lol
[22:20:16] plb: juski is one grumpy fellow
[22:24:41] gbee: heh, nick change didn't last then juski?
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[22:25:06] stuarta: plb: juski just doesn't like being taken advantage of...
[22:25:22] plb: lol...how is he being taken advantage of?
[22:25:34] plb: because I like his theme?
[22:25:44] stuarta: not you specifically...
[22:26:22] plb: if he lived close I'd buy him a beer lol
[22:28:27] siyb: Dagmar, Beirdo, etc thanks a lot for your time and help. good thing is that i got all i need for installing X11 in the apt-proxy cache and that i download @ 9mb/s
[22:29:13] Beirdo: heh, cool. NP
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[22:29:50] siyb: if i set the stuff up correctly i hopefully wont need to run it again
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[22:30:05] Beirdo: likely not
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[22:30:31] planktonboy: hi all
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[22:32:56] ** stuarta hacks the osx-packager.pl to pick a closer mirror... **
[22:33:58] Beirdo: hehe
[22:34:21] stuarta: normal one doesn't even resolve atm
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[22:35:01] stuarta: oops. chair to keyboard interface error
[22:35:15] stuarta: it resolves... just it's dead.
[22:36:21] fysa: stuarta, are you running it on Intel?
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[22:36:29] stuarta: yup
[22:36:34] planktonboy: using vlc fine
[22:36:51] fysa: it's puking for me. I just svn update again, so let's see how it goes.
[22:37:05] stuarta: i'm currently rebuilding it.
[22:37:23] planktonboy: could this be to do with mysql using too much bandwidth and if so would reducing the buffers in the my.cfg file help
[22:37:51] fysa: your network is probably just too slow in general.
[22:37:54] fryfrog: wireless can be a very crappy way of doing streaming
[22:38:01] fryfrog: the bw is not really very big :/
[22:38:22] fysa: I wouldn't even try it unless you had 802.11n-style equipment with the same vendor at both ends.
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[22:39:08] fysa: Installing the myth frontend and mysql and not being able to even stream VLC? That's simply coincidence.
[22:39:27] fysa: You can try lowering the bitrate on your encoder.
[22:39:35] plb: VLC is going QT
[22:39:42] riddlebox: Dagmar, I have read something saying that I should put the tv and the pc on the same electrical circuit to stop a ground loop does that sound right?
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[22:40:27] Dagmar: riddlebox: yes
[22:40:32] tigerflyer: i looked up what the "Master Backend Override" option does... but what does it do... like i dont understand the description
[22:40:35] Dagmar: Or at least it's not obviously wrong
[22:41:08] planktonboy: hi fryfrog, thanks for the feedback, but I am sure there must be some sort of workaround for it
[22:41:11] riddlebox: Dagmar, I have my tv and pc on the same circuit...and it still happens
[22:41:16] planktonboy: :)
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[22:41:37] fryfrog: planktonboy: i'd try just running an ftp session and seeing how much bw you get
[22:42:18] planktonboy: ok will try
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[22:43:03] planktonboy: fysa where would the encoder bitrate settings be, do you mean in mythbackend setup
[22:43:15] tigerflyer: ?
[22:44:59] fysa: you can get there from the frontend.
[22:45:02] fysa: recording profiles
[22:45:05] fysa: TV setup
[22:45:41] fysa: maybe we need a bandwidth test in the mythfrontend.
[22:45:48] fysa: an information center tool.
[22:46:58] Dagmar: fysa: That would be a lot of work done by people who are actually smart enough to know whether or not they have bandwidth without using a tool, for the benefit of people too dim and/or lazy to be able to find another testing tool and use it
[22:47:04] Dagmar: Good luck on that
[22:47:43] fysa: haha
[22:47:46] fysa: good point.
[22:48:25] tigerflyer: i looked up what the "Master Backend Override" option does... but what does it do... like i dont understand the description
[22:48:41] ** xris wonders if he should upgrade his processor.. **
[22:48:44] Dagmar: One backend is the master backend
[22:48:59] Dagmar: Can you think of a reason why you'd want to maybe have another backend be the master?
[22:49:26] tigerflyer: i guess.... but if i only have 1 backend... this is irrelevant
[22:49:27] tigerflyer: right?
[22:49:31] Dagmar: Yeees
[22:49:35] tigerflyer: superb
[22:49:39] tigerflyer: thanks Dagmar
[22:49:41] Dagmar: :)
[22:50:28] planktonboy: fysa thanks
[22:50:34] planktonboy: I'll try that
[22:52:08] tigerflyer: these options are confusing
[22:52:18] Dagmar: Well, keep this in mind.
[22:52:27] Dagmar: The vast majority of them you do NOT NEED TO CHANGE
[22:52:50] Dagmar: There are very few that you actually need to change if you're running all three parts of myth on one box and those will kind of leap right out at you
[22:52:52] tigerflyer: right... but i still like to know what does what... instead of going about it blindly
[22:53:03] Dagmar: So dig through the wiki
[22:53:15] tigerflyer: doing it now :)
[22:53:18] Dagmar: Some of it's documented there, and a bunch of it isn't going to make sense unless you know how myth works
[22:53:58] Dagmar: I swear I will eventually find some time to finish this up and link it from the main site but http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Executive_Overview
[22:54:00] Dagmar: It may help
[22:54:12] tigerflyer: thanks
[22:54:51] tigerflyer: anyone in here use an xbox as a frontened?
[22:54:55] Dibblah: Not "Typically mysql" – Only mysql.
[22:55:10] Dagmar: Theres' those pervs out there using postgrea
[22:55:14] Dagmar: er postgres
[22:55:17] Dibblah: Looks good apart from nitpicks, though.
[22:55:34] Dagmar: It was a nitpick from a postgres user that is the reason it's worded the way it is now.  ;)
[22:55:36] Dibblah: Not without pretty invasive patches that won't be accepted to mainline.
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[23:03:13] Dagmar: pfft.
[23:03:24] onewheelskyward: Says you.
[23:03:25] Dagmar: hardware that's been sitting a few years is turning out to be not such a fun thing
[23:03:43] onewheelskyward: Heh. I just had an 8 year old network card go sideways on me. I know what you mean.
[23:04:00] Dagmar: I've been trying to get this old 900Mhz tbird working as a frontend off and on for two weeks, and definiteyl all of this morning
[23:04:23] Dagmar: I just had to replace a stick of RAM in it (definitely gone bad in the last two weeks) and had to replace all the damn fans on the first day
[23:05:19] Dagmar: Until the ram went out it was streaming fine across wireless tho
[23:05:20] onewheelskyward: That sucks...what about the hard drive? Did that survive?
[23:05:30] Dagmar: Yay for me being the only person in this apartment complex with a wireless router
[23:05:57] Dagmar: Both of it's hard drives are quite fine. I never regret only buy western digital for my personal stuff
[23:06:34] Dagmar: ...although considering the time i've blown vetting the hardware, I suspect I probably should have just given the thing away to some kid and bought a new pile of parts
[23:06:44] onewheelskyward: I've been a fan of WD for a lot of years — until 2005. I bought a 100 gig that year that now sounds like a jet engine taking off. It's probably due for failure soon.
[23:07:10] Dagmar: Wow that's an oddity. It might have been defective from the outset
[23:07:17] onewheelskyward: That's entirely possible.
[23:07:23] onewheelskyward: WD has been very, very good to me.
[23:07:27] Dagmar: Same here
[23:07:37] Dagmar: One drive failure out of about 25–30
[23:07:45] Dagmar: Mainly they keep running until I can't stand how small they are
[23:07:50] onewheelskyward: In fact, I have 5 old WD HD's from 10–80 gigs that still work.
[23:07:51] Dagmar: That frontend has a 10Gb and a 20Gb in it
[23:07:51] kormoc: onewheelskyward, RMA it, they might do an advance RMA so you can transfer your files over
[23:08:04] onewheelskyward: hehe exactly.
[23:08:12] Dagmar: I dropped the one drive that failed, so no big suprise there
[23:08:18] onewheelskyward: Oh, My data is clear kormoc — that's a great idea if I'm within the 3 year margin.
[23:08:24] onewheelskyward: The problem is the drive still works.
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[23:08:47] kormoc: onewheelskyward, check the smart data, if you're getting any good number of smart errors, they'll rma it
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[23:10:05] tigerflyer: "fun"?
[23:10:05] Dagmar: THey're not as bad as Maxtor about it, but they do suffer from occasionally making a thunker
[23:10:20] Dagmar: Heard of the IBM "deathstar" drives?
[23:10:32] tigerflyer: yep
[23:10:33] Dagmar: They had chronic issues with their first members of the DeskStar line
[23:10:42] tigerflyer: gotcha
[23:10:55] tigerflyer: i have 2 120 gigs
[23:11:00] tigerflyer: been going strong for about 5 yearws
[23:11:11] Dagmar: Maxtor as recently as six months ago I've seen shipping SATA drives with the wrong damn firmware on them
[23:11:14] ** AlienX is excited about his new mythtv box build :) **
[23:11:17] Dagmar: ...which is *sad*
[23:12:14] Dagmar: Seems like every day these new 500Gb drives drop a little more in price
[23:12:18] Dagmar: I'm wondering how long I can hold out
[23:12:43] Dagmar: They'er already freaking less than I paid for the 250Gb's I'm using, and I got a good deal on them
[23:12:49] AlienX: Dagmar, in a year they'll be at the same price as the current 320gb drives :)
[23:13:18] Dagmar: I think part of my squeamishness is that I see 500Gb and think "how the hell will I use all that".
[23:13:30] Dagmar: MythTV had no problem sucking down the 500Gb I already gave it tho'.
[23:13:31] Dagmar: He
[23:13:33] Dagmar: h
[23:13:36] onewheelskyward: Meanwhile, my saga to get a COM port running continues. Having been unable to locate a COMA connector for my Gigabyte motherboard, I've decided to build my own.
[23:13:59] Dagmar: onewheelskyward: It didn't come with one on a little cable?
[23:14:06] onewheelskyward: I grabbed a DB9 connector from radio shack, and I have a cable from a USB header I can use. The MB manual has the pinouts listed.
[23:14:09] onewheelskyward: Nope!  :)
[23:14:19] onewheelskyward: And just try, try to find one online.
[23:14:27] Dagmar: Well, you *could* just build your IR transciever right onto that cable
[23:14:49] onewheelskyward: True, but I already have the transciever. I'll start simple. It only needs 2 wires, I just need to figure out which two.
[23:15:47] onewheelskyward: I've never had a Maxtor drive last longer than a year without drive clicking, full crashes or other issues.
[23:16:06] onewheelskyward: Although Seagate owns them now, so who knows how it will work out.
[23:17:06] sanmarcos-trabaj: why doesnt mythtv have a nice logo?
[23:17:24] Dagmar: it has a nice logo
[23:17:33] sanmarcos-trabaj: which one, the one on the left-top wiki?
[23:17:46] Dagmar: Yep
[23:17:47] sanmarcos-trabaj: it doenst seem to represent what the software does
[23:17:50] sanmarcos-trabaj: its just text
[23:18:09] Dagmar: Not everything has to be a pictogram
[23:18:22] sanmarcos-trabaj: if I contributed one, what would happen?
[23:18:46] sanmarcos-trabaj: something with a tv, that represents all the features and power of myth
[23:19:23] onewheelskyward: heh, that's a good one. http://www.adiumx.com/
[23:19:52] sanmarcos-trabaj: it jumps up an down, and it makes duck noises
[23:19:54] kormoc: sanmarcos-trabaj, you need to talk to a shrink if you think that duck is sexy...
[23:19:56] onewheelskyward: sanmarcos-trabaj: I'm not sure what would happen, but I think you should give it a shot. Open source should work right down to the logo.
[23:20:05] Dagmar: heh
[23:20:48] sanmarcos-trabaj: i remember somebody made an awesome improvement to the gaim logo and about window image
[23:20:59] sanmarcos-trabaj: but they did not accept it, because it was created with Photoshop and in PSD format
[23:21:04] kormoc: sanmarcos-trabaj, where would the logo be used? it's static on the website, and not used outside of that really.
[23:21:22] kormoc: sanmarcos-trabaj, they could have exported it from photoshop in any number of acceptable formats
[23:21:25] sanmarcos-trabaj: just so people identify myth with it
[23:21:33] sanmarcos-trabaj: kormoc, I know, even the devs could have done htat
[23:21:41] sanmarcos-trabaj: but when the guy offered to do so, they did not want it
[23:21:42] onewheelskyward: When I installed myth in Fedora Core 6, it had a logo accompanying it when I placed a link on the gnome panel.
[23:21:45] sanmarcos-trabaj: totally pathetic and fundamentaist
[23:21:59] kormoc: sanmarcos-trabaj, perhaps it was less malious and they just didn't like how it looked?
[23:22:05] stuarta: fysa: i don't. mine built just fine and i'm running it now.
[23:22:22] fysa: using osx-packager.pl? is there anything you installed using fink first?
[23:22:22] sanmarcos-trabaj: kormoc, yes, but I like to think the worst of people
[23:22:36] sanmarcos-trabaj: then you cant be dissapointed
[23:23:07] stuarta: fysa: yes osx-packager.pl, haven't installed anything special
[23:23:14] stuarta: just the latest stuff...
[23:25:48] stuarta: although i haven't yet installed the firewire SDK
[23:25:49] fysa: a 1000-line script to build myth is perhaps a bit absurd though
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[23:41:47] planktonboy: well I've just reactivated the frontend on my laptop and got it running, and it seems to be working reasonably ok. I notice that if I change channels on live tv it there seems to be some playback stuttering for a little while, approx 20 seconds and then it plays ok...so maybe this means that it is just taking time to fill up the buffers with the new channel info before it stabilizes
[23:42:11] planktonboy: so I'll just leave it like this for a while and try it out
[23:43:01] planktonboy: but thanks for the help guys...you gave me the incentive to try it again :)
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[23:52:26] fysa: -fixes isn't up to protocol 32 yet?
[23:54:06] fysa: oh, I missed something.
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[23:55:46] Akiyuki: Anyone available to help w/ this error ? 2007-02–05 18:54:42.426 ChannelBase(1) Error: InitializeInputs(): Could not get inputs for the capturecard. Perhaps you have forgotten to bind video sources to your card's inputs?
[23:57:05] onewheelskyward: Have you gone through all 5 steps in mythtv-setup?
[23:57:43] Akiyuki: Yes

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