Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, February 4th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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hardnova:

i dont rember the name of the software but it has a dongle attached to run it

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J-e-f-f-A:

hardnova: No, I meant the VGA adapter.

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hardnova:

oh yes that could be silver

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hardnova:

I havent looked at it reciently but yes that may be indeed silver

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J-e-f-f-A:

hardnova: If it's the Commodore one (kinda bulky, squared-off chrome plated with the C= logo), then it's a straight Amiga -> VGA adapter. In order to work with all Amiga video modes, you need a "Multi-Sync" monitor that will sync down to 15KHz. (Most PC monitors only go down to 31KHz)

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hardnova:

i was thinking I may burn some roms and piggy back them in the a1200 , and reformat the hard disk with the amigaforever harddisk image

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J-e-f-f-A:

hardnova: Are you in the US, or UK, or ?

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hardnova:

J-e-f-f-A yea i have had the vga working on the a1200 just not on a standard workbench only on that a1200 with the paint software

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hardnova:

which i assume has a workbench behind it that i cant access

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hardnova:

but anyways this isnt the problem at the moment im getting a mythgame amiga emulator going so work that out first :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

hardnova: Well, keep me posted on your progress... I'd definitely be interested in doing that too. (Too many other projects ATM to try myself though...)

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juski:

woohoo hotel babylon is back soon!

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hardnova:

anyone used irexec as a wrapper ?

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ShiftyPowers:

i can't get irexec to work

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ShiftyPowers:

for some bizarre reason

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ShiftyPowers:

i've put irexec -d in a startup script

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ShiftyPowers:

but the thing doesn't start

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ShiftyPowers:

anyone know where to check if it's on?

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hardnova:

shiftyPowers ps -ax ?

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ShiftyPowers:

how do i filter that?

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hardnova:

what are you using irexec for ?

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hardnova:

shiftyPowers ps -ax | grep irexec

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ShiftyPowers:

ah

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ShiftyPowers:

of course

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ShiftyPowers:

28706 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep irexec

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ShiftyPowers:

does that look right?

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ShiftyPowers:

it's the output of ps -ax | grep irexec

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Bogus8:

ShiftyPowers: please don't take my name in vain ;)

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ShiftyPowers:

:)

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hardnova:

shiftyPowers means the deamon is S+ sleeping

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ShiftyPowers:

hmm, is that normal?

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ShiftyPowers:

or do I have to wake it somehow?

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hardnova:

shiftyPowers it is if its not doing anything

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ShiftyPowers:

ok which means it should be able to accept IR commands right?

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hardnova:

shiftyPowers with the IR

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hardnova:

shiftyPowers yes if you have your ~/.lircrc configured corectly

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ShiftyPowers:

ok now my .lircrc has that whenever I press the Power button prog = irexec repeat =0 config = mythfrontend

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ShiftyPowers:

does that make sense?

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hardnova:

lol no

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ShiftyPowers:

begin

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ShiftyPowers:

button = Power

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ShiftyPowers:

prog = irexec

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ShiftyPowers:

repeat = 0

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ShiftyPowers:

config = mythfrontend

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ShiftyPowers:

end

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ShiftyPowers:

that's what I have

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ShiftyPowers:

or is that just wrong?

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DeKay:

Hi. My Hauppauge 150 is on order. In the meantime I've been trying to set up myth on a gentoo box with the front end and back end on one machine. The frontend complains it can't talk to the backend. Could this just be because I don't have my capture card yet, or is it something else?

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ShiftyPowers:

and irw shows "Power" being sent

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ShiftyPowers:

from the remote

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hardnova:

and what is going to accept mythfrontend as a keystroke ?

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kormoc:

DeKay, likely, yes

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ShiftyPowers:

oh, i just wnat to be able to start up mythfrontend from the remote

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hardnova:

shiftyPowers read the lirc docs

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ShiftyPowers:

i'm probably being an idiot here

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DeKay:

kormoc: Thanks. That is good news.

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DeKay:

kormoc: Otherwise I've got some other darn problem to figure out.

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hardnova:

shiftyPowers hint : config = /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mythcontrol start

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ShiftyPowers:

i don't got mythcontrol

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ShiftyPowers:

that's a script right?

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ShiftyPowers:

that i would have to create?

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juski:

mythcontrol is a plugin

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ShiftyPowers:

oh really?

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ShiftyPowers:

let me check me source tree here

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hardnova:

ShiftyPowers just create a shell script

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Milosch:

i use a small script and irexec, personally

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ShiftyPowers:

milosch? do you have an example?

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J-e-f-f-A:

DeKay: Likely, but only if you try to "Watch TV"...

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ShiftyPowers:

of how i'd configure my .lircrc?

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Milosch:

and if i hit the button while myth is running, it shows 'MythFrontend is already running' in the osd

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, there's been issues lately with the backend not running correctly with no capture cards

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ShiftyPowers:

that's interesting

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc, DeKay: Ahh, thanks... I didn't know that.

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Milosch:

ShiftyPowers: config = ~/runmyth &

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ShiftyPowers:

Milosch, can you share your script?

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ShiftyPowers:

yeah

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Milosch:

runmyth being the script

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ShiftyPowers:

cool

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ShiftyPowers:

and the syntax of the script per chance?

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DeKay:

J-e-f-f-A: Also happens when I look at system info (I think that was the name of the menu option. I don't have it running right now).

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juski:

oh wow. I need internet radio all the time. Radio Paradise is ace!

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Milosch:

ShiftyPowers: http://pastebin.ca/339311

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ShiftyPowers:

Milosch, thanks man, I'll take a looksy

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DeKay:

Another question: am I ok with 256MB of RAM or will I need more?

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Milosch:

most of the script is just checking whether the fe is running already

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Milosch:

DeKay: i have one machine with about that and it's fine, but it's only a frontend

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J-e-f-f-A:

DeKay: Standard Definition, or HD?

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DeKay:

jeffery: SD

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DeKay:

J-e-f-f-A: SD

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J-e-f-f-A:

DeKay: What's your cpu?

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ShiftyPowers:

Milosch, thanks man

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DeKay:

J-e-f-f-A: 2.6 Gig northwood p4

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juski:

you can just about get away with 128MB for a frontend only machine but that's pushing it a tad

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Milosch:

np

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J-e-f-f-A:

DeKay: And, are you planning on running a combined Backend/Frontend on the same machine?

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DeKay:

J-e-f-f-A: Yes: FE and BE on one machine

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J-e-f-f-A:

DeKay: Well, I think 256 will be cutting it close... 512 would be much better. Also — are you using a hardware encoder (Hauppauge PVR-x50), or software encoder (BTTV)?

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DeKay:

J-e-f-f-A: PVR-150 + nvidia 5200 is the plan

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ShiftyPowers:

Milosch, it's not working right now, is there anything I need to tweak in that script which was unique to your system?

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DeKay:

J-e-f-f-A: I'm trying to do this on the cheap with leftovers from a computer upgrade.

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Milosch:

ShiftyPowers: what's not working

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ShiftyPowers:

i put the script in my home folder

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Milosch:

your myth install might be in /usr/local i guess

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ShiftyPowers:

changed .lircrc and then did a gdm restart

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J-e-f-f-A:

DeKay: Well, it will run, but it might be a little slow if it's out of physical memory and having to use 'swap'...

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ShiftyPowers:

but i can't get the script to pull up mythfrontend

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ShiftyPowers:

i'll try one more time here

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Milosch:

is mythfrontend in /usr/bin ?

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DeKay:

J-e-f-f-A: Speaking of cheap, if anybody around here orders from ncix.com, they have a great sale on WD 500Gig hard drives. They are very quiet too. $48 off C$

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Milosch:

ShiftyPowers: also you of course need to run irexec somewhere

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ShiftyPowers:

Milosch, yes

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ShiftyPowers:

yeah irexec is running through irexec -d

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ShiftyPowers:

htpc@HTPC:~$ ps -ax | grep irexec

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ShiftyPowers:

28973 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep irexec

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ShiftyPowers:

that's what i get

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ShiftyPowers:

i take it irexec is running

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Milosch:

erm, ok

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Bogus8:

ShiftyPowers: you are working on a smiting!

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ShiftyPowers:

:)

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DeKay:

J-e-f-f-A: Thanks. I'll give it a shot with a lean theme and see what happens.

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Milosch:

ShiftyPowers: iow, no it is not running, and please don't paste all that here

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DeKay:

J-e-f-f-A: No. I meant $48 off

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ShiftyPowers:

sorry man

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J-e-f-f-A:

DeKay: Ok, so what's the end price?

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ShiftyPowers:

it's not running eh?

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ShiftyPowers:

crap

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Milosch:

personally, i run it in my startup for X

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Milosch:

without -d, but with &

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ShiftyPowers:

yeah i have a startup script for x

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DeKay:

J-e-f-f-A: $209 CDN for 500G SATA2 WD

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ShiftyPowers:

that has irexec -d in it

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ShiftyPowers:

and then pulls up mythfrontend automatically

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ShiftyPowers:

so i know the script is being read

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kormoc:

DeKay, that's still a tad high

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Milosch:

try without -d, but with &

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Milosch:

and fwiw, that has to be before mythfrontend

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DeKay:

kormoc: Do you know where I can find it cheaper? I want this particular drive b/c it is very quiet, even when seeking

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Milosch:

i finally dumped gdm the other day

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ShiftyPowers:

http://pastebin.ca/339336

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ShiftyPowers:

is that the correct syntax?

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ShiftyPowers:

for it though in .lircrc?

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kormoc:

DeKay, not sure... I just know they typically run around $180 CAD in the US

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Milosch:

that's fine, but irexec must have died on you, eh

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ShiftyPowers:

yeah, i'll try without the -d

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ShiftyPowers:

and you said before mythfrontend then eh?

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Milosch:

ime, yes

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DeKay:

kormoc: $180 canadian in the US? Shipping out of the US probably evens it up then.

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ShiftyPowers:

killall mythfrontend

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ShiftyPowers:

sorry

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J-e-f-f-A:

DeKay: I don't know if any of the vendors on http://www.pricewatch.com ship to the US, but I've bought from at least 8 different vendors on there in the past couple of years.

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ShiftyPowers:

balls, it's not working, irexec just isn't taking hte command. If I run irexec from an ssh shell it comes back with mythfrontend: cannot connect to X server

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J-e-f-f-A:

DeKay: Er... make that Canada, not the US!

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kormoc:

DeKay, might... I know a lot of canadians that just drive to the us to pick stuff up

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DeKay:

kormoc: Well, I'm kinda far from the border :-)

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kormoc:

heh, fair nuff

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hardnova:

ShiftyPowers -> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . gure_startup

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hardnova:

ShiftyPowers look at the shell script myth-load.sh

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ShiftyPowers:

yeah looking at it now

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ShiftyPowers:

it says irexec &

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ShiftyPowers:

i'll try that

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DeKay:

J-e-f-f-A: Cheapest on pricewatch is $170US from newegg. That is about $200 CAN. I'm ahead of the game ordering within canada. Was worth a look though.

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kormoc:

DeKay, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822136073 <-- $150 USD :P

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ShiftyPowers:

i still don't know how to check if irexec is running or not

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J-e-f-f-A:

DeKay: Eh? I see a WD WD-500KS for $139.99 US ...

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DeKay:

J-e-f-f-A: kormoc : I was looking at the RE2.

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J-e-f-f-A:

DeKay: Maybe the have filters for people from Canada?!? ;-) (What's the difference for the 'RE2'?)

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kormoc:

DeKay, you really only want the RE's if you are going to be running them in raid, I thought you were going for a single drive?

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DeKay:

kormoc: You can turn off the fn that makes the drive unsuitable for single drives. The REs have a better warranty.

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DeKay:

J-e-f-f-A: kormoc : http://techreport.com/reviews/2006q3/wd-500s/index.x?pg=14

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kormoc:

DeKay, the REFF isn't able to be disabled and can impact performance in non linear access patterns

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DeKay:

kormoc: The utility name is wdtler.zip

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kormoc:

DeKay, that's only the TLER, not the REFF

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kormoc:

only way to disable REFF is to reflash the drive with a non RE firmware

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kormoc:

but it's not that big of a deal

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ShiftyPowers:

does this mena irexec is running "29738 ? Ss 0:00 irexec -d"

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ShiftyPowers:

as an output to ps ax

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DeKay:

kormoc: Hmmmm. I thought TLER was all I needed to worry about. Sounds like I need to do more research.

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Milosch:

ShiftyPowers: yepper

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kormoc:

DeKay, it's honestly not that bad, it just will cause it to hold a seek if it feels that it's been working too hard, so it's only really impacting during heavy usage

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ShiftyPowers:

now it works for some reason

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ShiftyPowers:

who knew

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Milosch:

der

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ShiftyPowers:

Milosch, thanks man

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kormoc:

DeKay, myth usage involves a lot of linear stuff (if all goes well) and thus shouldn't be that much of a concern, but it exists :P

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ShiftyPowers:

likewise is there a way to send a command such as "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart" from a remote?

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ShiftyPowers:

in case my system ever crashes

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Milosch:

your nick reminds me, i wonder if they're playing Fawlty Towers anytime soon

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ShiftyPowers:

the wife knows what to do

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Milosch:

there's always the power button

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ShiftyPowers:

Milosch, it's your script that's bugging out on me now...i got it to work by doing config = /usr/bin/mythfrontend

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ShiftyPowers:

but when i replace it back with runmyth it doesn't start up

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Milosch:

did you make it executable?

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DeKay:

kormoc: What does REFF stand for? I'm finding very little on google.

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ShiftyPowers:

yep +x

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ShiftyPowers:

and chmod 777

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kormoc:

DeKay, Rotary Acceleration Feed Forward

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShiftyPowers: Jared's page has a tip on the "Tips & Tricks" page that tells how to setup a script to restart mythfrontend with an IR remote button (IE: the power button)... Maybe that will get you going in the right direction: http://www.wilsonet.com/mythtv/tips.php

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kormoc:

DeKay, it's designed to work in racks with many servers having multiple drives in each server

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Milosch:

ShiftyPowers: dunno, works here just fine

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ShiftyPowers:

aight, i'll play around a bit more

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ShiftyPowers:

thanks man

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DeKay:

kormoc: Ahh. RAFF. Not REFF.

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Milosch:

try in a console or whatever

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ShiftyPowers:

i appreciate the help

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kormoc:

DeKay, ooh, sorry :P

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Milosch:

then there's riff, which has multiple meanings

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kormoc:

reff riff raff

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juski:

Milosch: flowery twats <8

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humph... Why can't I set a 'timed logon' user in FC6?!? I set it, but it doesn't

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J-e-f-f-A:

... 'take'... gone when I re-boot, or even go back to the screen...

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Milosch:

juski: it's the least they could do

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juski:

1am already. pfft. still not done all my watermarks yet

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juski:

must've put in well over 24 hours in on this so far

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hardnova:

yawn

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DeKay:

Thanks for the advice guys. I'll be back in a week or two to announce my successful install :-)

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Milosch:

bah, he'll be back sooner

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williammanda:

can anyone help with a dvd problem?

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J-e-f-f-A:

... Humm... Had to add 'mythtv' to the 'face browser' list, then re-start x... then I could set it to timed login... I didn't have to do that in fc4!

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J-e-f-f-A:

williammanda: I can't guarantee I can, but what's you're issue?

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ShiftyPowers:

aight, on another somewhat different note, does some one know what the lirc command is for mplayer if I want to increase or decrease pan/zoom? (it's key presses w and e if using a keyboard)

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williammanda:

sorry ...baby in arm as i type....

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShiftyPowers: Just setup your lirc file to send "w" and "e" to mplayer for the remote key you want...

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hardnova:

is there any way of getting LCDproc to stop saying " Thanks for using "

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ShiftyPowers:

J-e-f-f-A, is that config = w?

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williammanda:

when i play a dvd it starts for 1 sec then stops....

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J-e-f-f-A:

hardnova: When shutting down? I don't think so, but if you've got the source, then I'm sure you can modify it! ;-)

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williammanda:

i have the libdvdcss2 file loaded....

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hardnova:

as it stays on the VFD even when the machine powers down , one small thing that anoyes me

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williammanda:

this happens with xine, vlc, etc...

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShiftyPowers: Yeah, and setting the program to 'mplayer'... Take a look at the 'xine' entries (if your lirc file has them) and just copy the way they're setup.

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hardnova:

J-e-f-f-A im running a binary package of LCDproc

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williammanda:

my dvd unit is set for region 1

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ShiftyPowers:

aight

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williammanda:

any ideas?

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ShiftyPowers:

J-e-f-f-A, yeah but I need a special command, it doesn't seem that you can just say w or e

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hardnova:

J-e-f-f-A its in serverscreens.c but surely theres an off switch for that

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J-e-f-f-A:

williammanda: Have you only tried one DVD, or a few? Some of the newer dvds have tougher encryption that hasn't been 'worked around' yet on Linux (AFAIK)

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williammanda:

tried 2 different dvds

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShiftyPowers: Pressing "W" or "E" on the keyboard works, but setting lirc to send the keypress doesn't work? It should...

[01:11:03]

ShiftyPowers:

foud it

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ShiftyPowers:

found it

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ShiftyPowers:

i think

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ShiftyPowers:

http://www.geexbox.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4471

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ShiftyPowers:

the command is config = panscan 1 or panscan -1

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShiftyPowers: Yeah, you're right. It wants commands, not keypresses when 'spoken to' with LIRC...

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShiftyPowers: (

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ShiftyPowers:

yep yep

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ShiftyPowers:

:)

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ShiftyPowers:

mplayer is a pompous bitch

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShiftyPowers: (sorry --- should have looked at my frontend's .lircrc first....)

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ShiftyPowers:

no worries

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ShiftyPowers:

thanks for your help

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J-e-f-f-A:

NP ;-)

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ShiftyPowers:

now if only my bloody irexec worked

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ShiftyPowers:

but that's not the end of the world

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShiftyPowers: I think i had to start it with rc.local on my frontend iirc.... It's been about a year, so I forget...

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ShiftyPowers:

no, the irexec works

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ShiftyPowers:

but the scripts i've been trying don't

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bma:

anyone have any suggestions on adjuting the EPG for overscan like you can with the GUI? Is it a normal issue?

[01:20:22]

ShiftyPowers:

what works is if I put config = /usr/bin/mythfrontend

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ShiftyPowers:

but as soon as i put a script in there is doesn't work

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alsoconfused:

ShiftyPowers: the scripts have execute perms?

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ShiftyPowers:

yep

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ShiftyPowers:

all have +x

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ShiftyPowers:

chmod

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alsoconfused:

and your specifying an absolute pathname in .lircrc

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alsoconfused:

?

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ShiftyPowers:

yeah /usr/local/bin/mythpowerbutton.sh

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alsoconfused:

are you sure it's not being called?

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShiftyPowers: And if you execute it from a shell, it works?

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ShiftyPowers:

i imagine it has to be a local shell right?

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juski:

yawn!

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juski:

scuse me

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ShiftyPowers:

as a side note, i'm not running gnome here, it runs openbox

[01:25:53]

ShiftyPowers:

would that matter?

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J-e-f-f-A:

ShiftyPowers: Yeah, I think so. Unless it were modified to 'hardcode' to screen 0...

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juski:

bma: any osd worth its salt should already take at least 5% overscan into account

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alsoconfused:

ShiftyPowers: how did you start irexec?

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ShiftyPowers:

from a startup script

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alsoconfused:

system startup?

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ShiftyPowers:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Edgy . . . %28mythtv%29

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ShiftyPowers:

from that listing towards the end

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ShiftyPowers:

there is a startup script

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ShiftyPowers:

gdm startup

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alsoconfused:

ShiftyPowers: open a shell which can successfully start the frontend. in that shell, kill the running irexec and start it manually.

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alsoconfused:

ShiftyPowers: i hope you realize that you need to restart irexec if you change the .lircrc

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ShiftyPowers:

yeah

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ShiftyPowers:

i know that

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alsoconfused:

ok

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ShiftyPowers:

ok, i'll keep playing around a little later, i appreciate the help

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bma:

juski: I'm using mythcenter-wide

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juski:

bma: yeah but which OSD theme?

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bma:

titivillus, I believe

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bma:

yea.

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juski:

try a different one

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bma:

meh, can't view the EPG anymore now that I'm out of LiveTV

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bma:

Would you think it'd just use the same settings as the main GUI, though?

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bma:

"Wouldn't"

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bma:

although I guess that woulnd't work out that well if the resolutions were different.

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juski:

there is actually an overscan control for the osd

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bma:

where's it defined?

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livingtm_:

i followed some of the howtos on the wiki and i didnt get the database setup correctly on ubuntu Edgy. whats the defining howto/tutorial for this? Ive set up 3 backends and have had trouble three times

[01:52:51]

juski:

tv playback settings IIRC

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juski:

livingtm_: I think the #1 problem is the installer randomises the mythtv mysql user's password & then stores it in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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bma:

juski: I didn't see anything specific to OSD adjustments in tv playback settings.

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livingtm_:

juski, im getting the error "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost'" and i never was asked for a password

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livingtm_:

i used -p :-)

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livingtm_:

if i rmember correctly i had to do something to fix the data base to allow mythtv@*

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bma:

oh, wait...

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bma:

I think I see them.

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livingtm_:

the wiki guide ignores anything about setting up mysql security

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livingtm_:

im not installing from source, is there a mc.txt somewhere i can get ahold of it?

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tank-man:

tells you

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juski:

amazing! there's like documentation that tells you stuff & everything

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kormoc:

and it's official!

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juski:

what? you mean it's not Unclued John's blog entry he got all muddled up?

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livingtm_:

tank-man, where is this mc.sql?

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tank-man:

with the source

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livingtm_:

im not installing from source

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livingtm_:

im using ubuntu packages

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tank-man:

if you installed from some distro package, ask your package maintainer

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juski:

livingtm_: the package called mythtv-database screws with that .. uhhhh installs that for you

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livingtm_:

yeah if dpkg-reconfigure'd that a couple of times now. aparently mythtv@localhost isnt allowed in the Db

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exobyte:

I'm trying to get watching live tv to work, but so far, no luck. The error on the frontend is "RemoteEncoder::openControSocket()" Connection timed out"

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livingtm_:

reconfiguring asks for the root account info, and it seems to exit without error

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livingtm_:

then mythbackend fails "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost'

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Netslayer:

my MythMusic isn't playing audio any ideas? i can hear recordings fine through my Alsa:default setup through spdif

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juski:

livingtm_: look in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt like I hinted

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livingtm_:

juski, I just did a "sudo passwd mythtv"

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juski:

and then find every occurence of mysql.txt & change the 'password =' line to the same as what's in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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juski:

livingtm_: the *mysql* mythtv user's password, not the linux mythtv user's password

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cesman:

just want I was about to say

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** juski fires a big rocket up ubunut's arse **

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livingtm_:

yeah man, this seems like its a lot harder than it needs to be

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livingtm_:

:-)

[02:06:29]

livingtm_:

Im not bitching.. i LOVE mythtv..

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juski:

great idea, to set up the db & everything for you

[02:06:47]

juski:

BAD idea to randomise the password & not tell you

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exobyte:

livingtm_: Agreed. Setting up mythtv sucks.

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livingtm_:

its just that the first time i did it was with dapper, and fairly manual, now with edgy its different and its been like 3 months since i last did it... i forget.

[02:07:16]

cesman:

the random password goes back to the original debian packages

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juski:

I brought this up last year and it's still not been put right

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livingtm_:

hehe

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J-e-f-f-A:

juski: What, you don't like "lkLDFh56DF%a@#" for a password ;-)

[02:07:32]

kormoc:

blame your distro

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livingtm_:

well, anyhow. okay, would it be easier to go into mysql and set the mythtv password?

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cesman:

no, blame documentation

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** kormoc does the, 'it's not our problem' dance **

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juski:

livingtm_: probably

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juski:

livingtm_: but you'll still need to update every mysql.txt file on your box to contain the right password

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livingtm_:

now I forget how to do that..

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cesman:

the original docs that Matt had cleared stated what to do

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livingtm_:

oh boy...<<sigh>>

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livingtm_:

i remember with dapper drake it was more work, but you could follow the docs and it would work.

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juski:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=ch . . . ch&meta=

[02:10:22]

juski:

maybe go rattle somebody's cage in #ubuntu-mythtv if there's anyone there

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livingtm_:

hehe

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livingtm_:

i wish i knew my stuff well enough to go submit a change :-)

[02:11:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

Me too... ;-)

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juski:

my backend runs (kind of) on ubunut, but I got pissed off with what the packagers did so ended up building it myself

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livingtm_:

my backend is running pretty well, but it took me a while to get it up and running

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juski:

woo more than one month of uptime now! a record for ubunut here

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livingtm_:

juski, what distro do you run

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exobyte:

I removed some recorded files.

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exobyte:

oops

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livingtm_:

wait a second... if the mythtv database users password matches the mysql.txt, whats the problem?

[02:14:01]

livingtm_:

because i didnt touch either

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exobyte:

Now, the files are gone (I did rm), but still in the db. How can I get the db to remove them?

[02:14:42]

cesman:

livingtm_: he stated he uses ubuntu, he just compiles from source

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juski:

exobyte: touch the missing files (with the incredible 'touch' command) & delete them *properly& within mythtv

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J-e-f-f-A:

exobyte: Just delete them from the recordings list in the frotnend — it will complain that the file doesn't exist and will remove it from the DB...

[02:16:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

exobyte: IE: When browsing the recorded programs, highlight the program, then press "D".

[02:16:48]

Changlinn:

hey why would the Tv guide have nothing in it, but the program list is full

[02:16:51]

Changlinn:

I tried scheduling a record but it failed, I'd say that is why

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livingtm_:

the mythtv user's password has to be entered by the end user.. WTF would you make it random?

[02:17:10]

Changlinn:

s it cause the xmltvid's aren't linked to the channel names or something? cause if i change channels and look at the info of the channel it has xmltvid as loading

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livingtm_:

sorry, thinkng outloud

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J-e-f-f-A:

livingtm_: Just for fun?

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juski:

livingtm_: we've been wondering that for some time

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livingtm_:

i mean if you have frontends separate from your backend, you need to know the password, right?

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cesman:

cat the file

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livingtm_:

right

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J-e-f-f-A:

livingtm_: Even if the frontend is local... Still needs to access the mysql database...

[02:19:04]

livingtm_:

J-e-f-f-A, and the user has to enter it

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livingtm_:

just prompt on install.... seems simple...

[02:19:38]

cesman:

then update the package

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Changlinn:

no one?

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cesman:

or update the installation notes so others know....

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livingtm_:

yeah i think i might do that.. im always afraid that ill be wrong though

[02:20:24]

livingtm_:

can I edit th ewiki and add a note?

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cesman:

take a change

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cesman:

that is the point of a wiki

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J-e-f-f-A:

Changlinn: What do you mean that the 'TV Guide' is empty, but the 'program list' is full?

[02:21:49]

Changlinn:

the tv guide has unknown for all channels all times

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inteliwasp_:

do all the versions of the pvr-150 have the hardwere encoder?

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jduggan:

inteliwasp_: yes

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Changlinn:

the program finder, that has the programs in alfabetical order has them all there.

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inteliwasp_:

jduggan: thanks

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Netslayer:

my MythMusic isn't outputting audio through my spdif any ideas? i can hear tv recordings fine through my Alsa:default setup through spdif

[02:22:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

Changlinn: When is the last time you ran mythfilldatabase? (Check the server status page to see)

[02:24:17]

Changlinn:

yeah I know, but here in Aus they are renowned for changing there minds

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J-e-f-f-A:

Changlinn: But is it working? What does the status page say for 'there is listings data until..."

[02:24:39]

Changlinn:

hang on running it manually now

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livingtm_:

cesman, What is wiki etiquette- should i leave my name with the comment or something?

[02:25:03]

tank-man:

Changlinn, did it work before?

[02:25:15]

tank-man:

maybe your zap2it subscription expired

[02:25:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

tank-man: He's in Austrailia... I don't think they have zap2it down under...

[02:25:44]

Changlinn:

never, new setup

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cesman:

livingtm_: read the wiki

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cesman:

play in teh sandbox...

[02:26:14]

cesman:

I don't know which it is you are speaking of....

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livingtm_:

cesman, ive played with mediawiki before.. just never played on a public wiki :-)

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juski:

preview before submitting

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Changlinn:

J-e-f-f-A: you'd be right, we use the tv-grab script which gets it from a free channel guide

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J-e-f-f-A:

Changlinn: I suspec that it's not getting the listings properly then... But it must have gotten something at some point, or you woldn't have anything in the 'program list'.

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The_Ball:

J-e-f-f-A, i'm in australia and use icetv.com.au

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J-e-f-f-A:

The_Ball: Kewl — So Changlinn — you guys should talk! ;-)

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** J-e-f-f-A Wow — IE7 doesn't work with MythWeb... M$ strikes again... (Firefox works fine...) **

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juski:

J-e-f-f-A: so don't use IE7

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cesman:

simply enough :)

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Changlinn:

says there is dataguide for 21 dyas

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juski:

as far as I'm concerned neither that or Vista exist

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cesman:

:)

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The_Ball:

Changlinn, there is a free grabber script that uses d1.com.au but i didn't find it very accurate, so i switched to the pay service icetv but there is a one month free trial so you can try before you buy

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J-e-f-f-A:

juski: Yeah... I know. I still have one or two M$ machines in my house... But there's more Linux boxes now that I'm running Myth!!!!

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Changlinn:

The_Ball: the new free one, tv_grab_au gets it from ninemsn and yahoo.com.au

[02:32:34]

The_Ball:

Changlinn, where is that new script?

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J-e-f-f-A:

juski: I almost went the MCE route for my PVR system, but the $$$ would have been outrageous... and not as functional as myth. So now I'm a "MythTV Junkie" like most of us here... No looking back!

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The_Ball:

J-e-f-f-A, that's right :D, but why would the mce be dearer? except for the mce licence?

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cesman:

can we not talk about M$ and mce in here?

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J-e-f-f-A:

The_Ball: Because at the time, my only Linux experience was a Knoppix CD... But I didn't feel like giving M$ any more $$$.

[02:35:40]

The_Ball:

cesman, chill man, we are talking about why myth is cheaper

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J-e-f-f-A:

cesman: I think we can, as long as we're not promoting them... ;-) Which I'm DEFINITELY not doing!

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livingtm_:

Let me know if i screwed this up: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_E . . . tu_Edgy_6.10 at the bottom before "Install just a frontend"

[02:36:24]

juski:

I dunno why folks are always comparing apples with oranges – i.e. mythtv vs MCE

[02:36:51]

The_Ball:

you mean oragnes vs rotten apples

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juski:

one is a brilliant, unrestricted, FREE & open source project. the other is crap

[02:37:20]

juski:

anyway as cesman said – change the subject :)

[02:37:24]

livingtm_:

Hey whats a decent HD tuner card that works _well_ with mythtv. If you were to buy one that isnt super pricey

[02:38:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

livingtm_: My vote is the PCHDTV HD-3000 or HD-5500 ... I have both and have had excellent success with them.

[02:38:56]

cesman:

avermedia a180

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kormoc:

livingtm, you're running linux now... don't ever expect that :P

[02:39:18]

juski:

this is scary. i might be able to roll out a beta of neon-wide tomorrow afternoon

[02:39:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

livingtm_: With the recent kernels, yes. DVB drivers are included. HD-5500 is $129 iirc...

[02:39:21]

livingtm_:

hehe ive been running it quite a while now

[02:39:48]

livingtm_:

I had a plextor convertx usb box. and it works well, but the drivers are (or at least were) a mess

[02:39:57]

xris:

livingtm_: or use firewire with no tuner.

[02:40:12]

livingtm_:

i want something thats not going to require me to write usb hotplug scripts and such :-)

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livingtm_:

and manually load firmware after pluging it in

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cesman:

use KnoppMyth

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Changlinn:

The_Ball: followed the guide here http://www.overclockers.com.au/wiki/MythTV-TV_GRAB_AU

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livingtm_:

is KnoppMyth good for more than just evaluating? Ive never tried it

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cesman:

evaluating?

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juski:

livingtm_: of course it is!

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livingtm_:

ah cool

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cesman:

what would make you think that is all it is good for?

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The_Ball:

Changlinn, cheers

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Changlinn:

re-reading that I may have missed a step...

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livingtm_:

well, you know, asterisk has VM's and Trixbox, and a lot of times people say they would rather run it as a real installation than an "appliance"

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juski:

it's designed to be the fastest & easiest way to get mythtv up & running – it's not just for noobs

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livingtm_:

cool. i didnt realize that

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cesman:

it isn't for noobs

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livingtm_:

can you go back and add stuff to it?

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livingtm_:

like new plugins, etc

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cesman:

it has all teh plugins

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juski:

livingtm_: it's a real distro

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kormoc:

livingtm, are you in the US?

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livingtm_:

sweet ill look into it

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livingtm_:

yes i am

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kormoc:

livingtm, then yeah, xris' suggestion of firewire is a really good one.

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juski:

you can even go with svn mythtv on it if you know what you're doing

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livingtm_:

kormoc, yeah? what are theadvantages?

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xris:

livingtm_: well, no tuner card, for one.

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livingtm_:

oh, what do you use for tuning then?

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kormoc:

livingtm_, you can capture hd cable, you can't with a card

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livingtm_:

oh really?

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kormoc:

livingtm_, the cablebox is your capture card

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livingtm_:

because you need to take it from the cable sompanies box right?

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livingtm_:

ok

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kormoc:

livingtm_, aye, it's encrypted from the cable co, so you need a cable box to decrypt it

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livingtm_:

gotcha...

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xris:

depending on which cableco you have, you can sometimes pull HD and SD streams straight off of the box.

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livingtm_:

I havent gone HD yet

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xris:

at worst, they're required to give you the local HD channels in the clear.

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livingtm_:

how do i knew before i sign up?

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J-e-f-f-A:

But a large part of firewire capture depends on your cable provider passing the channels 'in the clear'...

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xris:

livingtm_: you don't, unfortunately.

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J-e-f-f-A:

My cable provider doesn't... :-(

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livingtm_:

So worst case you probably get most of the non-pay channels?

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xris:

but if you already have digital cable, it's usually an inexpensive monthly upgrade to find out if their HD tuners work.

[02:45:56]

xris:

livingtm_: they're required by the fcc to give you the local broadcast channels.

[02:46:26]

ShiftyPowers:

what is the most comprehensive remote that lirc has a config for? I have my harmony 880 emulating a MS MCE remote but I feel like there are a bunch more codes I could use

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J-e-f-f-A:

livingtm_: That's variable too... You'll probably get them, but in my case, FiOS TV encrypts everything except local HD, even over firewire.

[02:46:31]

ShiftyPowers:

are there more complex remotes?

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kormoc:

livingtm_, FCC mandated, the firewire node on the wiki links to the FCC ruling

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, ick, fast internet and sucky tv... sad

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livingtm_:

okay, so if I go HD i might not be able to get some of the other channels on mythtv.....

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: um, fios isn't cable

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: That's just for HD STB's though, right?

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kormoc:

livingtm, not at all. you just might not be able to get some channels over firewire, they'd be available other ways just fine

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livingtm_:

and i cant use a HD tuner for the HD digital cable...

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xris:

livingtm_: you'd get at least the same channels you would with an HD tuner card.

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kormoc:

livingtm_, aye

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Well, it is, and it isn't... It's Fiber to your house, and coax in.

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, yeah, but they're not governed by the FCC ruling

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: at least they give you the local stations.

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xris:

kormoc: they *might* be.. but it seems like they're complying with the basics.

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: The first 50 channels are available in analog, but they're just the locals. And the local HD stations are in the clear. Everything else is encrypted (from what I understand), even on the firewire output... :-(

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livingtm_:

so long story short, but a firewire cable, and upgrade to HD digital cable

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: you have 50 local channels?!? damn, we have like 10

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xris:

livingtm_: if you already have digital cable service, it's worth the small upgrade cost to HD to test.

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livingtm_:

cool ok thanks for the tips

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Nope... something like 12... But they have 50 'allocated'... the channel lineup says "Local Access" for the other 20+ that aren't allocated... whatever that means...

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xris:

livingtm_: worst case, you downgrade if it doesn't work.

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livingtm_:

has the encryption been beaten? :-)

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: well, there's analog, which they keep around for people who don't want to pay for digital.. different than the HD stuff, though. but I guess that's probably different for the FIOS stuff.

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xris:

livingtm_: you won't find anyone talking about that here.

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xris:

you're on your own if you want to break the law.

[02:51:04]

livingtm_:

im not asking how.......

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livingtm_:

just wondering if its been done

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kormoc:

xris, it actually says "Cable operators" in the fcc ruling

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J-e-f-f-A:

I was looking into FiOS TV to replace my dish network setup, which I have 3 STB's with IR blasters, 3x S-Video and Audio Cables, etc... If the stupid channels were 'in the clear' over firewire on FiOS TV, I could have two or 3 STB's with one firewire cable each...

[02:51:57]

xris:

kormoc: ahh, interesting.

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kormoc:

xris, "For purposes of this section, digital cable systems shall be defined as a cable system with one or more channels utilizing QAM modulation for transporting programs and services from its headend to receiving devices."

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xris:

livingtm_: it's just something we prefer not be talked about at all here... a quick google search would probably answer your question.

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xris:

kormoc: interesting.

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kormoc:

xris, yeah, it was something weird that suck out to me when I read over it

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livingtm_:

Is there a Tivo-type box out there that can work on all HD channels (legally)?

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, so yeah, verizon is not governed by the fcc ruling

[02:53:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc, xris: So that would seem to include FiOS TV too... it's QAM when it comes into the house on coax...

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livingtm_:

or is it an across the board-no-can-do?

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kormoc:

livingtm, class 3 tivo units can use firewire I've heard, outside of that, nope

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livingtm_:

oaky so they are in the same boat we're in.

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kormoc:

livingtm, other then of course, cable co specific units, like comcast's

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xris:

livingtm_: tivo series 3 is the only thing that MIGHT be able to do it, but I think they're still limited.

[02:53:49]

xris:

if you want an HD recorder that'll guarateed get everything, rent one from your ISP.

[02:54:08]

livingtm_:

man thats monopolistic

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livingtm_:

that kind of behavior burns me

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, so you use a second tuner from the router?

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livingtm_:

Are any of you guys devs?

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kormoc:

livingtm, xris is, there's a few others who are

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** cesman is the creator of KnoppMyth **

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kormoc:

livingtm, but xris is mostly php/perl based

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cesman:

but I'm on a developer

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kormoc:

cesman, better get off before he gets crushed ;P

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hads:

on a developer?

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: I'm currently using Dish Network w/3 analog tuners via S-video and an HD-3000 for OTA with an antenna pointed at Boston. I was looking into FiOS TV (I have the internet service), but it doesn't look like I'd gain anything, with the possible exception...

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livingtm_:

nice.. thanks guys.. great work

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cesman:

I'm not rather

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cesman:

sorry doing multiple times at once

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livingtm_:

How hard is it for a non-hardcore programmer to write a plugin?

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: ... of eliminating the roof-mounted hd antenna... And it would cost me about the same as my 4 dish receivers (My wife has one that's not on myth)

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livingtm_:

I've got some ideas but i haven't looked into it yet

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kormoc:

livingtm_, depends on how fast you pick it up. could be simple, could suck major

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, yeah, less outside stuff is always nice

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xris:

livingtm_: the libmyth code is somewhat messy, and only partially documented.. but depending on what you want to do, you might not need to use much of it.

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livingtm_:

xris, Probably just some additonal functionality that doesnt really effect myth at all

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livingtm_:

basically is just going to be accessible from th emenu system so it uses the same interface

[02:58:22]

livingtm_:

so it flows nice with the rest of the menus/plugins

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xris:

livingtm_: if it doesn't touch myth, you can easily add stuff to the menus.. the theme files are just xml

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livingtm_:

cool ill look into that then

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livingtm_:

there are a lot more plugins out there than are included in the ubuntu repos, arent there?

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kormoc:

not really

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: I'd still need the IR blasters unless I got HD STB's (which have firewire), but that would quickly add $21 to my monthly bill — SD boxes are $3.99/month, HD are $9.99/month. And since the firewire output is encrypted, it wouldn't be worth the extra $$$ to me... All I'd really gain is not needing the antenna...

[03:01:19]

Changlinn:

nup checked the channels, they had melbourne xmltvid's but that should have worked for sydney... changed them anyway

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cesman:

there are unofficial plugins

[03:01:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

Anyone here in the Boston area, and have Comcast digital cable?

[03:03:53]

cesman:

SCALE next weekend for anyone in southern California!

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: don't forget about competitive switchover rates.

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xris:

comcast gave me like a 40% or so discount to switch from dish.

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livingtm_:

i see the plugins on the wiki.. pretty cool ones.. the transcode to ipod is nice.. i actually had thoughts of that

[03:04:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Is the Firewire mostly un-encrypted?

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** cesman ponders if ms piggy is going to wonder in... **

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juski:

cesman: shout it from the rooftops & mailing lists & whatnot ;)

[03:08:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Humm... I wonder if FiOS TV has an equivalent... I'd actually switch if they could match the $70/month I have now with Dish with 4 receivers...

[03:09:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Comcast wants $9.20/month for a HD box here in Boston... Does it cost that much out there?

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** J-e-f-f-A wonders if he got the 'Basic Cable' for $9.80 a month if there's any HD channels lingering on there... ;-) **

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livingtm_:

Thanks guys!

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: more. $5 for a second box and $5 more for the HD upgrade

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Dr_willis:

about the same here in Kokomo In.

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livingtm_:

Hey quick question- is there anything that can be done to speed up the response of the mythfrontend menus?

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livingtm_:

it feels a bit sluggish

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xris:

turn off opengl rendering.

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xris:

and/or get a faster computer. :)

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livingtm_:

its a 3ghz machine

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kormoc:

livingtm_, opengl stuff is controled by the video card, not the cpu

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xris:

I know people have talked about fixing things... part of the slowness is just giving it time to do the opengl rendering.

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** J-e-f-f-A-temp Am I the only one that got 'bounced' out of the channel?!? **

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livingtm_:

hm, i didnt install any of the opengl stuff.. no compiz or beryl or anything

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livingtm_:

its a fresh ubuntu edgy install

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kormoc:

livingtm_, no, open gl in mythfrontend, it's a option in mythfrontend's settings

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livingtm_:

oh ok

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livingtm_:

i have a full 1 second delay between the keystroke and the selection change

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xris:

it does the "fancy" fade effect when you switch between some of the menus

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adante:

mr fancypants

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livingtm_:

Paint Engine is set to QT

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livingtm_:

is that the setting?

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livingtm_:

also prescaling images always seems to take a long time.. no matter if im on a 3ghz or a 600mhz machine

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kormoc:

livingtm_, aye, that's the setting

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kormoc:

livingtm_, well, feel free to figure out what's slow and submit fixes :P

[03:25:54]

livingtm_:

kormoc, hmmm it was already on qt

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livingtm_:

hehe im not complaining, just figured i wasnt doing something right

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juski:

xris: got a question about subversion if you have a sec

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xris:

?

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juski:

I'm committing stuff into my repository but it seems as though some new files haven't been checked in

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juski:

ah no

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kormoc:

juski, yeah, svn status shows you what it would do when checked in, any files with a ? next to them won't be checked in, A will be added, M is modified I believe

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juski:

cheers

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kormoc:

and of course, C for conflict

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adante:

oooooooookay

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adante:

so has anybody had any experience with xvmc actually slowing down things?

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juski:

got most of video-ui.xml done now

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adante:

using ffmpeg my cpu utilisation usually sits around 20/60 for sd/hd

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juski:

adante: so don't use xvmc then :)

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adante:

with xvmc it hops to 35/80 – and hd jitters

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juski:

xvmc is kind of a last ditch (if all else fails use it) thing I think

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hads:

XvMC is a good thing if it works.

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hads:

May as well use the GPU for what it's best at

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juski:

xvmc isn't always everything it's cracked up to be

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hads:

It's a good thing because it unloads your CPU to do other stuff like commflag etc.

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kormoc:

adante, it's highly dependant on the mobo I've found

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juski:

60% playing HD isn't all that bad. I wouldn't sniff at that

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adante:

hads: yeah thats pretty much what i want.. that and i'm also doing a lot of crypto stuff on my cpu, so freeing up a bit of extra cpu would always be nice

[03:35:54]

adante:

kormoc: ah well, i'll just write it off i guess

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: That might explain why it worked for HD on a PIII 1GHz Dell machine I had, but a 1.8GHz Compaq with the same video card doesn't fare any better...

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hads:

XvMC locks up my main box so I don't use it. No matter though as we only have SD content

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adante:

kormoc: maybe we should add a note on the wiki regarding the motherboard-specicity?

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kormoc:

adante, well, it's mostly just my observation, I can't actually say exactly what it depends on

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hads:

Yeah, "something" :)

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livingtm:

When i attempt to start the backend I get an error "Session management error: Authentication rejected"

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kormoc:

adante, but the same video card that works great on a i875 doesn't work on a i865 and works fine on a i845

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hads:

That's interesting

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J-e-f-f-A:

That's probably why people were amazed I could playback HD on a PIII 1GHz — It just happend that I had a motherboard that worked well with XvMC...

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: I asked you this before but don't remember your answer — what do you use for your php coding? Just a text editor, or ???

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, jedit

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J-e-f-f-A:

thx.

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, he has a pile of plugins that he really likes, so you might want to get that list from him

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kormoc:

but it's a nice editor... he sold me on it mostly

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xris:

plugins... trying to remember what I actually use. mostly just the sftp one

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kormoc:

the whitespace one and the tabs one

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livingtm:

I set a root password for mysql.. is that a problem?

[03:45:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

xris: How much of the AJAX stuff made it into .20? Things look pretty-much the same to me...

[03:45:46]

kormoc:

livingtm, only if you don't want to get hacked

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hads:

Kate is nice (if you're a KDE person) with all the KDE IO slaves

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kormoc:

hads, does it do rectangle select?

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hads:

Not that I'm aware of

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kormoc:

that's too bad. it's a ungodly nice feature

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: I think only deleting recordings.

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livingtm:

I cant seem to start the backend. "reason: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed"

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hads:

Yeah, it is cool

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xris:

kormoc: rectangular select *and* editing...

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kormoc:

livingtm, that's not a 'real' error message, should be something else

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kormoc:

xris, yeah. true enough

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livingtm:

oh ok

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livingtm:

hmm.

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kormoc:

livingtm, might want to run the backend in a terminal window and see what it says

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livingtm:

thats the only error i get when i start the backend

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livingtm:

"Session management error: Authentication rejected, reason: None of the Authentication......"

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livingtm:

and it doesnt start.

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kormoc:

xris, I had a question for you... when you view channel lineups, you see previously recorded shows for only shows you have recording schedules for, was there any thought on giving another color to ones previously recorded and don't have active schedules?

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kormoc:

livingtm, from a terminal?

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livingtm:

yes

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xris:

livingtm: -v all

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livingtm:

oh wait, i was starting it as a daemon- oops

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xris:

kormoc: I don't think there's a way to know that. the previously-recorded stuff is sort of hackish, too..

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livingtm:

wait, when i run it straight from the command line, it seems to be running...

[03:50:25]

kormoc:

xris, I'd figure just SELECT FROM oldrecord WHERE programid = program.programid or similar. it would match some at least... movies quite often I would imagine

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xris:

except that only zap2it users have programid

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kormoc:

hrm... true

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livingtm:

do i have to have data capture cards setup for it to starT?

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kormoc:

tho, it wouldn't harm the others

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kormoc:

livingtm, seems to be that way lately. Is that what it's erroring out on?

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livingtm:

its the only negative thing i see in the messages

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hads:

Well well, Kate does do rectangle select

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livingtm:

"ERROR: no valid capture cards are defined in the database"... Then it proceeds to tell me to RTFM :-)

[03:52:38]

livingtm:

haha

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livingtm:

"Perhaps you shoudl read the installation instructions?"

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livingtm:

Dont i still need the backend running even if I plan to use it as a library for media rather than a PVR?

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J-e-f-f-A:

livingtm, If you plan to use it as a MythTV player, yes. If you're going to share the files via NFS or Samba, no.

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xris:

yay, I broke the master iconmap.

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livingtm:

i want to use th eoptical drive options, the dvd video stuff... that still uses th DB doesnt it?

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hads:

Everything in myth uses the db

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livingtm:

and the music and photo plugins

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livingtm:

right so, i need the backend running

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livingtm:

or else the front end complains that it cant connect

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juski:

you need the mysql server running for everything except TV related stuff

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juski:

for TV related stuff you need mysql AND mythbackend running

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livingtm:

okay do the frontend complaining that it cant connect could be referring to the mysql DB rather than the backend

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jduggan:

you're up late juski :)

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juski:

yup

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juski:

been busy stamping out pretty pngs

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livingtm:

alright, it appears as though it doesnt compain until i go to the recordings sections.. thanks again for straightening me out :-)

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xris:

aha.. I just wasn't running the proper command to import.

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juski:

marvellous. i reckon neon-wide is about 75% done now if not more

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juski:

theme holiday tomorrow (today even) & I'll do some more playing with a certain website layout

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adante:

kormoc: hm, seems worth mentioning.. i have thrown a few personal observations into the wiki in the past

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: (re: ajax) – Yeah, i did notice that to delete a recording was much 'snappier'... but I thought that was due to my new backend being about 10x faster than my old backend (and the fact that there's only about 5 recordings on it atm... the new backend that is...)

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: there's more ajax stuff going into .21... and hopefully I can actually get the SoC student to merge in his mouseover-description changes.

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juski:

right.. 4:04 in the a.m.

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xris:

lots of nice new stuff in svn.

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xris:

juski: go to sleep, then. :)

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juski:

I reckon it's way past my bedtime

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juski:

g'night all

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livingtm:

Hey i didnt see any plugins out there for this but I think it might be handy: the ability to plug in your digital video cam and rip home movies to the library

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xris:

livingtm: easier to do it manually, or use something like imovie that has a lot more features.

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Are you running imovie in Linux? ;-)

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: nope. but I don't use linux for such things.

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: I had my first experience with iMovie last week-end (on my wife's new iMac I got her for xmas)... Once I started to get the hang of it, it was pretty easy.

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xris:

if my dad can use it, it's easy. heh

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Dr_willis:

as long as you want to do what the programers thought you would want to do.... you are ok. :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: But what the **** is the 'Mighty Mouse'... The thing was a royal pain in the **** ... Virtually every time I tried to drag a clip to the timeline I had to lift the mouse up to get more room, and virtually every time my left-click was 'released' due to the 'whole top of the mouse is the button' design of the mouse... yuck.

[04:15:05]

xris:

you *could* just tweak the sensitivity

[04:15:12]

xris:

but I do perfer logitech/kensington mice

[04:15:34]

xris:

sweet, I now have channel icons for all of my channels except "public access"

[04:16:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

xris: I ended up plugging in a 'standard' USB scroll mouse... it was much easier to use.

[04:16:37]

xris:

some people like the mighty mouse...

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xris:

I don't actually own a mac. just my wife's ibook, which I don't get to play wth

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kormoc:

I really like the mighty mouse scroll ball tho

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J-e-f-f-A:

I'm sure they do. The little scroll ball is pretty neat.

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xris:

I don't like apple's one-button thing, though. never have. mouse was the first thing I replaced when I got a new mac (back in the days when I used one)

[04:18:35]

xris:

had a 4-button mouse even back in the early 90's

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J-e-f-f-A:

The mighty mouse actually has 2 buttons, but comes pre-defined as 'single button'... You have to change it in the mouse properties.

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xris:

that "grip" button is also silly, imho

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kormoc:

don't forget the click on the ball/wheel and the side buttons

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: That was giving me a big pain too... kept changing the focus off of iMovie...

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Scopeuk:

i have a nsty mouse with 2 side buttosn that are huge

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Scopeuk:

eg you clip the keyboad and what ever your doign jumps backa page

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xris:

I like my mx1000

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Scopeuk:

its also a huge ass mouse wichis uncomfortable

[04:21:02]

Scopeuk:

i neeed to invst i na proper mouse but i have other priorities atm

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Dr_willis:

Hmmm.. some of the shows i had scheduled to record.. are.. the wrong shows..

[04:21:12]

Dr_willis:

wonder if the tv station changed some shows on me.

[04:21:23]

Dr_willis:

It just seems to be cartoonnetwork that was affected.

[04:21:28]

Scopeuk:

is system clock/time difference corect?

[04:21:38]

Scopeuk:

Dr_willis then that may well be the problem

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Dr_willis:

Scopeuk, they may of had to do a ATHF marathon or somthing. :)

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Scopeuk:

athf?

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Dr_willis:

Aqua Teen Hunger Force.

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Dr_willis:

The show that caused a bomb scare in Boston. :)

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Scopeuk:

sounds like a rearly crappy advert

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Dr_willis:

Just wondering.. now it may not record the same eposides if they do show up again...

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Scopeuk:

Dr_willis delete them and un tick the box labled do not re record

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kormoc:

Scopeuk, http://farm1.static.flickr.com/129/376001206_ea82f19da4.jpg

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Dr_willis:

if ya delete them.. how can ya untick the box? :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Dr_willis: So delete them from mythweb, selecting "Delete & re-record"...

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kormoc:

Scopeuk, people thought that was a bomb

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Dr_willis:

heh – i allready deleted them heh.

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Dr_willis:

too late

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Scopeuk:

kormoc very nice

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Dr_willis:

hd was 90% full.

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Scopeuk:

how?

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Scopeuk:

kormoc in which case planting and hiding an actuallbomb whould be trivial

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Scopeuk:

fbi trackign on my connect ion in 5...4....3....2...1...

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kormoc:

Scopeuk, heh, but if someone wanted to place a bomb, would they make it glow so people noticed?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, well they put them on bridges and such... And with a character showing the middle finger up... Who, except those that knew the character, would know what it was?

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Scopeuk:

kormocwhould now

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Scopeuk:

people have been told there beign stupid if they report such packages

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kormoc:

meh

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Scopeuk:

considerign a tv series box set can contain enough high power blasting explosive totake down a high rise

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kormoc:

I find mailboxes would hold a bomb much eaiser and safer

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Scopeuk:

or bins hence hwy thre are no bins on uk train places

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Dr_willis:

Whats funny is that the Charcter dosent even have FINGERS to have a middle finger. :)

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kormoc:

Dr_willis, sure they do, they only have one :P

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Dr_willis:

The Moonenites rule!' :)

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Dr_willis:

heh heh.

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Dr_willis:

am i the only one in here the actually has watched ATHF

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Scopeuk:

part of me is glad i dotn get cartton network at uni

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Scopeuk:

well i dotn get any channels at all

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J-e-f-f-A:

Would you have even watched it if it didn't record incorrectly?

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Dr_willis:

Watching Metaphocplys right now. :)

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kormoc:

Dr_willis, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Athfep8.JPG

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kormoc:

Dr_willis, sad to say, I watch it :P

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Dr_willis:

I liked ATHF befor it was popular.. now that its big... i dont watch it..

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Dr_willis:

:)

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Dr_willis:

pervasive form of brutal, sarcastic, and often surreal humor.

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xai:

do many users of mythtv use it as dvb-s ?

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xai:

I'm in southern usa, wondering if I can get signal for it.

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xris:

xai: and about 3 channels. :)

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xai:

xris: only 3 ? or 3 sats?

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xris:

xai: there aren't that many fta stations

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xris:

only a couple on each sat

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xris:

and some radio

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xai:

xris: if that is true, its a sad commentary on us(a).

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daum:

hey all if my mythfrontend isn't up but backend is, it still records and all that right?

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GreyFoxx:

daum: Yes

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xris:

xai: I'm going to guess that not all of those satellites are reachable from everywhere in the US (if at all).. and it'll also depend on the kind of dish/lnb/rotor/etc that you have.

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daum:

GreyFoxx, ok thanks!

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xai:

xris: yea i assumed that many of those are far north, or east-west coast.

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xai:

xris: what part of the country you in?

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xris:

seattle

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xris:

and I only have an 18" dish to play with, which pretty much limits me to a couple of the echostar birds.

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xris:

I haven't actually hooked up an lnb, though.

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xai:

xris: seems like its not even worth the trouble then..

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xris:

xai: can get a lot more with a 2m dish.

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xris:

there are people here who get decent reception with satellite stuff, but I suspect that most of them aren't exactly following the legal side of things.

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xris:

I think most of them have big dishes, too

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xai:

xris: ok.. 2m is a big dish..

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xris:

yeah. that's standard c-band stuff

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xris:

"old style" satellite dish

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xai:

xris: is that for dvb reception?

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xris:

never could get anyone to tell me what you could get with 1m or 75cm dish

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xris:

bigger dish == better reception and different satellites.

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xai:

xris: i';m lost with c-band vs s-band etc.

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xris:

wave amplitude, I think

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adante:

locate -i xvmc

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xris:

adante: /usr/lib64/libXvMC.so

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adante:

mhm, thanks xris :]

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xai:

sandeen: hi der.

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xai:

xris: is there a good card that supports dvb-s and dvb-t for us?

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GreyFoxx:

I've never heard of card that does both s and t

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xris:

there is no dvb-t in the US, either

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sandeen:

hey xai

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** sandeen doesn't know the difference between -s and -t **

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xai:

I thought dvb-t was local tv stations broadcasting in digital.

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kormoc:

nah, that's QAM

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hads:

Satellite, Terrestrial

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xai:

but that is clearly wrong.

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tank-man:

no extra lingo needed for analog :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

In the us, digital OTA tv is called ATSC...

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tank-man:

KISS

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kormoc:

ooh, right, ATSC

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sandeen:

xai, FWIW I got a kworld atsc 110 and it tunes in QAM via cable just fine

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** kormoc goes duh **

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xris:

xai: dvb-t in europe/australia.. in the US it's ATSC.

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xris:

instead of dvb-c, the US has QAM

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xai:

ok.. thanks..

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xris:

US digital satellites are a mix of dvb-s, dvb-s2 and proprietary stuff

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xris:

most of them, yes

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klingon:

Are all the new ones shipping with the unsupported chipset?

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sandeen:

klingon, that's what i've heard, some of the 150s are actually the... what is it... 1600 HDTV tuner in the box

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waldo:

klingon: not all of them

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waldo:

i bought a pvr-150, got an hvr1600

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waldo:

told amazon they sent me the wrong card

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waldo:

sent it back

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waldo:

they sent me a new one

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waldo:

it contained a pvr-150

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waldo:

there's some discussion on the ivtv list about it in january 2007

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waldo:

apparently it is only a december 2006 thing hauppauge did because of a sudden increase in orders

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mchou:

so I guess pvr-150 is going out of production?

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waldo:

not that i am aware of.

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klingon:

hmm, I may have to wait a while before buying one then

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mchou:

waldo: orders for what in particular?

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waldo:

the pvr150

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klingon:

I was hoping hauppage would have a qam compatible tuner out now that is supported under *nix.. I dont want to be stuck with an obsolete card when my cable co switches to digital only..

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mchou:

ok, so they ran out of pvr150 temporarily is what you're saying

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waldo:

yes.

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mchou:

klingon: by definition all qam cards ar obsolete

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mchou:

are*

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mchou:

since they dont have cablecard

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kormoc:

klingon, you're in Seattle, Wa, firewire output of comcast's is almost 100% functional

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mchou:

I dont understand hauppauge. why didnt they just put a AQM capable tuner & stage in there?

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xris:

mchou: and there won't be any cablecard-capable pci cards since by definition, they won't be compatible with cablecard licensing.

[05:49:00]

mchou:

lameasses

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mchou:

xris: not if you listen to isaac :)

[05:49:34]

xris:

mchou: huh? pvr-150 is analog. their digital cards probably DO support QAM

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mchou:

xris: not pvr1600 or whatever

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xris:

the hvr card just doesn't work in linux.

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xris:

too new

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mchou:

xris: nope, the hvr card has no support for qam

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mchou:

in any OS

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xris:

oh? atsc-only?

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mchou:

yup

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mythbox:

I'm trying to change the brightness/contrast in mythvideo, but i can't recall how to do it... anyone?

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mchou:

lameass

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xris:

mythbox: which player are you using?

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tank-man:

g

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mythbox:

Internal

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mchou:

xris: no argument there

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mchou:

but no qam is height of stupidity

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mythbox:

xris: do you know?

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xris:

mythbox: tank-man already answered

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kormoc:

Supports digital TV: ATSC, cable 8VSB or clear QAM, in all 18 ATSC formats up to 1080i.

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mchou:

considering the card street price is around $60

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mythbox:

oh, i wasn't even watching!

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mythbox:

thanks, man

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mchou:

kormoc: dont be a dumbass. wasnt talking about that product

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mythbox:

actually, g isn't doing anything in mythvideo

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kormoc:

xris, so no, they do have a QAM card

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_mike3_:

xris: oh sorry about that, and thanks.

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xris:

kormoc: in case you're still ignoring mchou, the hvr-1600 doesn't, though

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xris:

and that's the one mchou is complaining about

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kormoc:

xris, oh, heh, fair nuff

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_mike3_:

xris: :)

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xris:

_mike3_: there's option for "preferred input" that lets you pick which one you prefer a show will record on.

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xris:

mythweb in svn supports it, and I'm pretty sure that the frontend does in .20

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mythbox:

so, is there a way to adjust contrast and brightness in mythvideo using the interal player?

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_mike3_:

xris: in mythweb it does? Where abouts. I'm actually browing through mythweb now

[05:56:51]

xris:

mythweb svn?

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klingon:

kormoc, Comcasts cable box costs $$ and takes up space I dont have.. why lease a cable box just to decode the digital signal.

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kormoc:

klingon, it's the only way to get a majority of the channels out there in HD quality

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xris:

klingon: costs less than a tuner card

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_mike3_:

svn? Sorry what is that

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** kormoc shrugs **

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xris:

for about a year, anyway

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xris:

_mike3_: http://svn.mythtv.org/

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xris:

the way that I used the word, it means "the current unstable/development version"

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mchou:

xris: for almost two years :)

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xris:

mchou: I believe that the dvico fusion hdtv card runs about $90

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mchou:

not too many qam cards out there yet for just $60 :)

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xris:

that's 9 months of rental fees

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klingon:

kormoc, even so, I dont want some clunky thing sitting on my desk, generating heat and distracting me with its lights

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xris:

or 18 months if you only do one tuner.

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xris:

klingon: cable co won't give you digital cable without a box

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xris:

so you'll be stuck with it no matter what.

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mchou:

xris: huh??

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mythbox:

any idea why "g" wouldn't bring up brightness/contrast in mythvideo? someone's got to know.

[06:00:19]

kormoc:

klingon, firewire cables have a max range of 14 feet, so you have some room to move it around

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** kormoc shrugs **

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xris:

mchou: box = $5. hd upgrade = another $5

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xris:

mythbox: press M

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mchou:

xris: no, referring to this: [21:59:50] <xris> klingon: cable co won't give you digital cable without a box

[06:00:51]

xris:

mythbox: you may have to enable the XV color controls to get after-the-fact editing.

[06:00:52]

mythbox:

done so, it doesn't show in that menu either

[06:00:57]

_mike3_:

hrm..

[06:01:09]

mchou:

xris: plent of ppl get didgital cable w/o boxes

[06:01:13]

mchou:

plenty*

[06:01:15]

xris:

mchou: half the time, the cable co won't even give you a box without you proving that you have a tv to connect to it.

[06:01:24]

xris:

mchou: how?

[06:01:32]

_mike3_:

In what kind of a scenero would you want to hook up mythtv slave servers and such???

[06:01:34]

mchou:

xris: definitely not true here

[06:01:50]

kormoc:

_mike3, when you have more tuners then will fit in a single backend?

[06:02:13]

xris:

_mike3_: multiple analog cable tuners... hook up a backend+frontend frontend machine next to each TV and cable outlet.

[06:02:13]

_mike3_:

kormoc: Why would you want more then two?

[06:02:15]

mchou:

xris: you dont even have to prove you have a qam capable TV

[06:02:22]

kormoc:

_mike3, to record more then two shows at once?

[06:02:32]

xris:

mchou: huh? didn't know there was such a thing.

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_mike3_:

xris: Why not have one big hard drive in the server and have all the recorinds store on the master server? Can't you watch them that way?

[06:02:55]

kormoc:

_mike3, some people like to record a lot of shows that all play at the same time

[06:03:18]

exobyte:

I'm having problems getting live tv to work. I end up getting "RemoteEncoder::openControlSocket(): Connection timed out"

[06:03:25]

kormoc:

_mike3, when you want to record ABC, NBC, CBS, SciFi, TNT, and Spike all from 9 to 10 pm... you need 6 tuners

[06:03:33]

mythbox:

man, this damn brightness is an issue!

[06:03:50]

xris:

_mike3_: never said you couldn't do that... that's what nfs is for.

[06:04:17]

mchou:

xris: HDTV with QAM capable tuners have been out for some time now.....

[06:04:51]

mchou:

xris: they just dont have cablecard support

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_mike3_:

xris: yah but then you would need mythvideo or something to watch your recordings? Or define your directory in myth-setup to store your recordings to that directory? But that's up to the master backend.. ..

[06:05:30]

_mike3_:

i'm confused.

[06:05:50]

xris:

mchou: dunno. I thought cablecard was supposed to take over all of that stuff

[06:06:50]

mchou:

xris: here is one example: http://www.macmall.com/macmall/shop/detail.as . . . &Redir=1

[06:06:51]

xris:

_mike3_: the backends all stream between each other and the frontends.

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_mike3_:

xris: For each computer that you just setup the frontend you still need to configure it with myth-setup to tell it where the database is and such ...

[06:08:22]

_mike3_:

You wouldn't have to define live buffers directories and recorded show directories because the master backend and the other backend systems are handling that right??

[06:08:24]

xris:

yes, but you only need one db and that tells where the master backend is. master backend knows where all of the slaves are.

[06:08:59]

xris:

when a frontend connects and asks for a tv stream, the master backend figures out where it is, or which has a free tuner (for live tv) and tells the frontend to talk to that one directly.

[06:09:34]

xris:

mchou: good enough. shows how often I shop for TVs

[06:10:34]

mchou:

xris: anyway, it's against fcc rules for cableco to make you "prove" you have equipment to receive digital cable (b4 hookup)

[06:10:43]

_mike3_:

xris: but where does the files get stored and such?

[06:10:59]

GreyFoxx:

All recordings are stored on the backends

[06:11:00]

_mike3_:

from what the backend says where to go? Or where the backend tells it to go?

[06:11:17]

mchou:

xris: known as a barrier to HDTV adoption :)

[06:12:19]

xris:

mchou: that "before hookup" is a good catch. doesn't help Beirdo, either, since he's out of fcc jurisdiction.

[06:12:41]

mchou:

xris: the clear qam stuf must be offered to everyone (if they offer it to just one person)

[06:12:51]

xris:

_mike3_: depends on .20 or svn.. but basically, each backend puts its recordings where you configure it to.

[06:13:21]

mchou:

xris: no, by hookup I mean the clear qam stuff must always be "on"

[06:13:23]

xris:

mchou: thought that was something they turned on per-person

[06:13:29]

xris:

like internet, etc.

[06:13:38]

mchou:

nope, not for the clear qam channels

[06:13:42]

xris:

ah

[06:14:34]

mchou:

xris: the premium stuff is off course a different story

[06:14:43]

mchou:

of*

[06:15:11]

mchou:

speaking of premium, when does new season of sopranos start?

[06:15:12]

xris:

of course.

[06:15:30]

xris:

and in those areas of the country where all non-broadcast stuff is encrypted.

[06:16:51]

mchou:

last two seasons of sopranos were pretty lame though

[06:17:10]

mchou:

xris: what's going on with beirdo lately?

[06:17:13]

xris:

never seen it.

[06:17:18]

xris:

no clue. busy being married, I guess.

[06:17:19]

_mike3_:

ok.. So the only reason you would have more then one slave systems is to allow each computer on each tv to handle the encoding itself. I think I would personall just build one top notch system with 4 encoder cards and put small front ends on each TV and allow the backend to do the recording instead of having each computer act as a backend slave encoding on it's machine...

[06:17:41]

mchou:

xris: busy making babies? :)

[06:18:04]

GreyFoxx:

_mike3_: There are many reasons to have slaves. lack of PCI slots, space for more drives, more CPU's for transcoding, etc

[06:18:19]

xris:

beats me

[06:18:20]

kormoc:

_mike3, keep in mind, you'll be having 4 commflagging threads at once too, rather then one per backend

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mchou:

xris: hmm, so PR is out of fcc jurisdiction.... Beirdo must be getting reamed if he wants TV.

[06:18:53]

** xris wishes that _mike3_ would pick a single login so his tab-complete would work properly... **

[06:19:04]

_mike3_:

yah..

[06:19:08]

xris:

mchou: I think they finally just decided to use dishnet

[06:19:18]

** cesman ponders... **

[06:19:20]

mchou:

xris: sigh.....

[06:19:25]

cesman:

Guinness or wine...

[06:19:29]

xris:

cesman: wine

[06:19:34]

xris:

guinness in the US is crap

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mchou:

cesman: whine!

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cesman:

so, you've said...

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kormoc:

cesman, Guiness *and* wine... shaken not stirred...

[06:19:56]

** xris had two double pina coladas **

[06:20:04]

cesman:

tasted the same when I was in London a few months back

[06:20:22]

xris:

cesman: really? damn. guinness must just not be that good to me, then.

[06:20:27]

mchou:

cesman: yeah, except they served it warm :)

[06:20:32]

cesman:

really

[06:20:41]

cesman:

not the ones I had

[06:20:49]

xris:

mchou: should never be warm. cellar temp. 52–53 degrees or something like that.

[06:20:53]

xris:

cold beer. nasty.

[06:21:05]

cesman:

yep, cellar

[06:21:10]

xris:

cesman: that's what I get for having friends who are really good homebrewers.

[06:21:21]

cesman:

:D

[06:21:22]

xris:

every time I've had guinness it just tastes watered down...

[06:21:37]

Dagmar:

What the hell do you usually drink?

[06:21:39]

xris:

I much prefer St. Peter's stout

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cesman:

then what does a Coors taste like?!

[06:21:48]

Dagmar:

Urine.

[06:21:49]

mchou:

piss

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cesman:

lol

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xris:

cesman: I think I had a sip of that stuff once in college. lol.

[06:22:07]

Dagmar:

You can practically use Guiness to blot out the sun

[06:22:15]

xris:

I'm more of a hard cider kind of guy, though.

[06:22:22]

cesman:

coors == seltzer water

[06:22:24]

hads:

Wow, that's far too warm for beer. I prefer mine about 5 degrees celsius

[06:22:27]

Dagmar:

I'm a little baffled as to how anyone could consider it watered down without maybe being used to drinking beef stew

[06:22:34]

xris:

Dagmar: didn't say it wasn't dark/thick/etc.. flavor just tastes wrong. it's unbalanced somehow.

[06:22:49]

kormoc:

it's nasty...

[06:23:00]

Dagmar:

Anything with stuff like that on the label, I've got to at least try

[06:23:11]

kormoc:

yeah, I tried a bottle, but won't buy it again

[06:23:14]

Dagmar:

I didn't much care for it's taste, but then I don't generally like beers.

[06:23:16]

Dagmar:

I'm a sake man

[06:23:21]

xris:

1/2" in the bottom of a glass-bottom mug blocked all light.

[06:23:45]

xris:

best stout I've had was from a local microbrew...

[06:23:59]

xris:

speaking of which, kormoc — you and I should head down to tacoma at some point and try some. :)

[06:24:07]

Dagmar:

Rice sake mind you, not and I mean DEFINITELY not potato sake

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kormoc:

xris, heh, aye

[06:24:19]

Dagmar:

They should leave the potatoes to the Russians

[06:24:21]

xris:

kormoc: that's gordon's fav. beer, btw.

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xris:

cesman: final answer from me, since it's what I had tonight: RUM!

[06:25:13]

Dagmar:

He-Brew was another one with a silly label I've tried that I didn't mind too much... but it does taste a bit more like wheat bread than beer

[06:25:37]

xris:

Dagmar: http://www.stpetersbrewery.co.uk/range/prod_d . . . ;Code=CRCASE

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kormoc:

Mmm... Vodka...

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Dagmar:

xris: Sailor Jerry?

[06:25:51]

xris:

huh?

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kormoc:

xris, rum brand

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Dagmar:

It's the rum that made the hula-skirt tatoo popular

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xris:

oh. no, gossling

[06:26:11]

Dagmar:

It's nice

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xris:

hmm, st peter's makes a *honey* stout... too bad I haven't seen that one in the US.

[06:26:35]

Dagmar:

Hmm... that cream stout sounds good.

[06:26:37]

xris:

er, porter, not stout

[06:26:37]

mchou:

damn, I wonder if Jim Gray really perished

[06:26:42]

Dagmar:

It's a shame I live in a state with retarded liquor laws

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kormoc:

Dagmar, I've found it's good flavor, but not rather uniform. Gossling's has a few after flavors that I really enjoy

[06:26:54]

xris:

Dagmar: it is. except that it's co2 instead of N

[06:27:17]

xris:

Dagmar: we do, too. I have to import this gold rum from CA. heh.

[06:27:36]

xris:

though we can get the black seal stuff here. not so good for mixing, but quite tasty straight.

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xris:

really would like to try their aged rum, but $60+/bottle is a little much to put down without knowing what it tastes like.

[06:28:37]

xris:

would rather get scotch for that price. heh.

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Dagmar:

ouch

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xris:

supposed to be good stuff. aged version of black seal. and black seal won "the" award for alcohol

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kormoc:

xris, I might shell out for it and the cherry vanilla vodka down in SF if we go

[06:31:44]

xris:

yeah. problem is, vancouver might cost less. heh.

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kormoc:

heh, true enough

[06:32:01]

xris:

you and I should talk to jack about that and figure out what exactly we should do.

[06:32:49]

xris:

Dagmar: http://www.goslingsrum.com/products.asp

[06:33:13]

xris:

http://www.goslingsrum.com/whats_new_awards.asp

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infestedc0re:

im running into problems with my install of nuvexport on "fc5" anyone want to help me take a stab at it?

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Ross_C:

nuvexport installs with a simple 'make install' :)

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Dagmar:

infestedc0re: It's probably just doomed

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infestedc0re:

ok that sounds like my first problem, im using the noarch.rpm

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xris:

Ross_C: usually have to `perl Makefile.PL` first

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xris:

oh, wait, sorry, was thinking of the perl bindings

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xris:

infestedc0re: what error is rpm giving you?

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infestedc0re:

"This version requires either the cvs or svn version of ffmpeg"

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t0ny_:

why would my f key stop working.

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t0ny_:

I dont get the color settings menu anymore

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Ross_C:

infestedc0re – what version of mythtv are you running, and where'd you get the nuvexport you're trying to install?

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xris:

infestedc0re: pastebin me the output from: ffmpeg -version

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kormoc:

t0ny_, you forgot to renew your 'F key' license?

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t0ny_:

lol

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xris:

Ross_C: no, it's a problem with the atrpms copy of ffmpeg... I forgot to fix this awhile ago

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infestedc0re:

one sec

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xris:

infestedc0re: nevermind

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xris:

found the bug report

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infestedc0re:

ok

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infestedc0re:

xris: what do you think?

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ATGeek:

does anyone else have issues changing channels with mythfrontend on osx?

[06:44:23]

xris:

download a new copy of nuvexport from my site

[06:46:13]

Dagmar:

xris: So that will work with 0.20-fixes?

[06:46:22]

xris:

Dagmar: 0.4.xxxx will

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xris:

0.5 is in mythtv svn now and is for svn and .21

[06:47:04]

Dagmar:

Ah... That would be what tanked my last build then

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infestedc0re:

ok, getting it now

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xris:

Dagmar: svn for svn. :)

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xris:

I'm maintaining bug fixes/etc in parallel, though

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xris:

I think 0.4 still works with mythtv svn, too.. not sure which version I'm running.

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xris:

nope. too many people keep findings bugs in .4. heh

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GlemSom:

How should I tell mythfilldatabase to use a different grapper? I would like to try some of the custom grabbers avaible. Currently they live in ~/test/

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xris:

GlemSom: might have a db setting.

[07:00:36]

xris:

it's usually configured via mythtv-setup from the auto-detected list in xmltv

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Mazus:

anyone managed to fix the overscan issue with nvidia cards?

[07:08:29]

xris:

what overscan issue?

[07:09:31]

Mazus:

nvidia's with dvi out

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kormoc:

Mazus, there won't be a fix for that... digital tv's shouldn't have overscan to begin with

[07:11:04]

Mazus:

im reading that nvidia-settings has an overscan slider

[07:11:14]

xris:

Mazus: yeah. for analog connections

[07:11:16]

Mazus:

but i must be a tool because i dont see it :(

[07:11:17]

kormoc:

Mazus, yes, for analog outputs, like composite or svideo

[07:11:23]

Mazus:

ah

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xris:

Mazus: dvi is entirely digital. pixel-to-pixel accurate. the TV should respect that and know it doesn't need to do the overscan thing like it would for analog inputs

[07:12:23]

Mazus:

hmm

[07:12:26]

Mazus:

wierd

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t0ny_:

So one know why the picture adjustments are not working?

[07:13:04]

xris:

t0ny_: aren't color settings usually under G, not F?

[07:13:08]

Mazus:

acoring to google alot of people have this problem

[07:13:16]

Mazus:

its not just in linux

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t0ny_:

oh thanks

[07:13:24]

Mazus:

when in bios and such its overscanned :(

[07:13:25]

xris:

Mazus: it's not the driver's problem.

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Mazus:

yeah i realize that

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justin_:

Hiya, folks

[07:13:44]

Mazus:

is there a way to shrink the image down a bit?

[07:13:54]

justin_:

Got a quick question about mythweb

[07:13:57]

xris:

Mazus: mythtv has offset parameters

[07:14:04]

xris:

justin_: you came to the right place

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Dagmar:

If it didn't overscan, people would wonder about the "weird stuff at the edges of the picture"

[07:14:25]

kormoc:

Dagmar, for digital?

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xris:

Dagmar: well, for analog connections. it *shouldn't* overscan for a dvi conenction.

[07:14:33]

Mazus:

mines cutting alot off the right op of the picture

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justin_:

0.20, installed on an openSUSE 10.2 box via YaST

[07:16:42]

** xris wonders what weirdness the suse packager did **

[07:16:44]

justin_:

straight from the repo. Followed the openSUSE 10.2 instructions on mythtv.org

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kormoc:

justin_, the file that it downloads, does it contain php code or just html?

[07:17:17]

xris:

you have php installed, etc? apache restarted after install?

[07:17:21]

justin_:

Haven't actually downloaded it, actually

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tank-man:

try different browser?

[07:17:37]

justin_:

Yes, I have php5 installed and have restarted apache

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kormoc:

if it's just html, your browser or apache is doing something weird, and doing what tank-man said would be a great next step

[07:18:30]

kormoc:

if it's php code, your apache is just not setup right in some form

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justin_:

same thing happens in both konqueror and firefox, and the file...appears to be empty.

[07:19:00]

** kormoc blinks **

[07:19:06]

kormoc:

other pages in mythweb work?

[07:19:09]

justin_:

yup

[07:19:26]

justin_:

I wonder if the backend didn't fill properly

[07:19:39]

xris:

justin_: check your apache error log

[07:19:45]

clever:

i cant get the guide to work yet in mythtv

[07:20:28]

xris:

clever: can't help unless we get more info

[07:20:51]

clever:

ive ran the mythfilldatabase but it didnt get any guide data

[07:21:33]

tank-man:

run mythtv-setup before running mythfilldatabase

[07:21:34]

clever:

QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query

[07:21:34]

clever:

Database error was:

[07:21:34]

clever:

Table 'mythconverg.dd_v_program' doesn't exist

[07:21:45]

clever:

getting that and a ton of other stuff when doing mythfilldatabase

[07:22:18]

xris:

clever: sounds like you didn't set up the database

[07:22:37]

clever:

it does exist

[07:22:38]

xris:

and/or didn't run mythtv-setup

[07:22:45]

clever:

just the table is missing

[07:22:52]

xris:

that's a temporary table

[07:22:54]

clever:

ive ran mythtv-setup 200 times till i got the capture card working

[07:23:07]

xris:

and set up your zap2it listing source, etc?

[07:23:22]

clever:

where would i set that?

[07:23:32]

xris:

in mythtv-setup

[07:23:45]

xris:

need to type in your zap2it login/password, pick which listing you want to use, etc.

[07:23:47]

** clever runs it thru X11 forwarding to have a quick look **

[07:23:53]

clever:

dont have a zap2it act

[07:24:02]

tank-man:

200 times, eh?

[07:24:05]

tank-man:

lol

[07:24:05]

xris:

then I recommend that it's time you start reading the documentation.

[07:24:34]

clever:

which part of the docs would i start in?

[07:24:39]

justin_:

OK, here'

[07:24:42]

justin_:

bah

[07:24:47]

justin_:

here's the error: PHP Notice: Undefined index: error_email in /srv/www/htdocs/mythweb/includes/init.php on line 45

[07:24:59]

xris:

clever: probably the one that deals with setting up your channels/listing sources

[07:25:06]

xris:

justin_: that's a notice, not an error

[07:25:07]

** clever looks **

[07:25:10]

xris:

that's the only thing?

[07:25:25]

infestedc0re:

=)

[07:25:55]

justin_:

I know – that's all I'm getting in the log when I click the Listings link

[07:27:02]

justin_:

Hold on, brb

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xris:

justin_: edit /etc/php.ini and turn on all error reporting.

[07:28:21]

xris:

if you're getting a blank page, there must be some kind of php error

[07:28:47]

justin_:

OK – problem's not due to accessing mythweb from the local machine – same thing happens when I access it from my laptop

[07:29:12]

cesman:

This program sponsored by the "Z" key!

[07:29:35]

justin_:

I don't have a php.ini there...

[07:29:53]

xris:

cesman: one of my favorites (in mythtv, anyway)

[07:29:56]

justin_:

ah, found it – it's further in

[07:29:59]

xris:

justin_: ahh

[07:30:08]

xris:

nice of suse to put things in a nonstandard location

[07:30:43]

equiller:

Anyone mind helping a linux/mythTv n00b?

[07:31:09]

cesman:

we can try and help, give us details

[07:31:18]

justin_:

log_errors is on

[07:31:24]

equiller:

I'm trying to install MythTV under Ubuntu

[07:31:44]

equiller:

when I run mythtv-setup for the first time, I get a database error...

[07:31:55]

equiller:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

[07:31:55]

equiller:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

[07:31:55]

equiller:

2007-02–04 01:24:48.038 DB Error (KickDatabase):

[07:31:55]

equiller:

Query was:

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equiller:

SELECT NULL;

[07:31:56]

equiller:

No error type from QSqlError? Strange...

[07:32:08]

kormoc:

equiller, please don't flood the channel

[07:32:13]

tank-man:

install qt with mysql support

[07:32:21]

kormoc:

equiller, please use a pastebin to post error messages and post the link in here

[07:32:40]

justin_:

need a fresh beer – brb

[07:32:57]

cesman:

hmmm beer

[07:33:07]

equiller:

tank-man: I do this through Synaptic?

[07:33:22]

xris:

justin_: you may also need to verify the settings for error_reporting

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tank-man:

i dont know. i'm not familiar with debian/ubuntu

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xris:

a good value would be: E_ALL & ~E_NOTICE

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xris:

equiller: is mysql running?

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[07:34:15]

cesman:

packages and documentation....

[07:34:17]

xris:

tank-man: error sounds like mysql support is included.. but "database not open" sort of means that, well, the database isn't open.

[07:34:52]

kormoc:

likely the default database wasn't created?

[07:35:01]

xris:

cesman: actually, I've seen at least one issue where the mythtv package also has to install mysql.. but since mysql isn't installed/running at the time the mythtv package goes in, dpkg can't run the create-database post-script

[07:35:49]

kormoc:

clever, you need to update your myth version

[07:35:51]

justin_:

I've got error_reporting = E_ALL

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xris:

justin_: that'll be fine for now

[07:36:00]

cesman:

xris: that would explain it

[07:36:01]

clever:

yeah i know its over 10 months old

[07:36:04]

equiller:

xris: mysql says it is running

[07:36:13]

clever:

just didnt want to have to bother with it:P

[07:36:22]

kormoc:

clever, in mysql 5+ repeat is a reserved keyword, your version of myth doesn't support mysql 5.x or higher

[07:36:24]

clever:

took me 10 hours just to get this version going fully

[07:36:30]

xris:

clever: which version of mysql are you running?

[07:36:32]

clever:

yeah that was my guess

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** clever checks **

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kormoc:

clever, so you ether update myth or downgrade mysql

[07:36:46]

clever:

select version();

[07:36:47]

clever:

+---------------------------------+

[07:36:47]

clever:

| version() |

[07:36:47]

clever:

+---------------------------------+

[07:36:47]

clever:

| 5.0.22-Debian_0ubuntu6.06.2-log |

[07:36:49]

clever:

+---------------------------------+

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xris:

clever: last warning. stop pasting large stuff into the channel

[07:37:04]

clever:

sorry

[07:37:12]

xris:

also sorry. had you confused with someone else.

[07:37:15]

kormoc:

xris, he's on the D ubuntu

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clever:

lol

[07:37:28]

xris:

still. please no large pastes.

[07:37:32]

clever:

yeah

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xris:

equiller: run: mysql -u mythtv -omythtv

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** xris curses netsplits (or whatever caused that) **

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kormoc:

that's a netsplit :P

[07:37:57]

clever:

netsplit

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kormoc:

niven left the node

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clever:

i know how they work

[07:38:13]

clever:

im managing my own irc network

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equiller:

xris: how do i paste errors if not directly into the channel?

[07:38:56]

hads:

pastebin

[07:38:56]

xris:

use a pastebin

[07:39:01]

clever:

would you recomend a source or binary reinstall of mythtv to upgrade it?

[07:39:06]

xris:

in fact, there's a link in the topic about it.

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justin_:

Hmm. I just started going through the setup in mythfrontend, and I'm getting Could not connect to the master backend server

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xris:

clever: source is the only officially recommended install method.

[07:39:28]

clever:

k:)

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kormoc:

clever, you'd need to update ubuntu to get a newer package anyway

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xris:

just make sure you're grabbing from svn-fixes branch and not the tarball...

[07:39:57]

clever:

i have all latest updates from ubuntu installed

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xris:

or full svn trunk if you want to be brave.

[07:40:03]

equiller:

xris: http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=874921

[07:40:06]

clever:

so its the package maintainers that need to update it

[07:40:17]

equiller:

i get that when i run the mysql command you gave...

[07:40:34]

xris:

equiller: how'd you manage to do that? it wants to download.

[07:40:39]

kormoc:

equiller, a one line error message is fine to paste in here, it's multi line ones that are the issue

[07:40:49]

kormoc:

xris, ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: NO)

[07:40:51]

justin_:

What's the difference between mythtvsetup and mythtv-setup?

[07:41:03]

equiller:

okay

[07:41:10]

kormoc:

justin_, nothing beyond the name

[07:41:14]

xris:

equiller: sorry, I typod that command

[07:41:24]

xris:

equiller: run: mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg

[07:41:49]

equiller:

xris: same error...

[07:42:04]

kormoc:

equiller, even with the using password: no?

[07:42:19]

equiller:

kormoc: identical

[07:42:28]

clever:

should i fully uninstall the current mythtv before upgrading to source?

[07:42:37]

kormoc:

something is screwed then, as the -pmythtv is the password

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kormoc:

clever, likely a good idea

[07:42:52]

clever:

and what about the config in mysql?

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xris:

clever: uninstall or /usr vs /usr/local will get confused

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clever:

k:)

[07:43:21]

xris:

and the db will be fine. mythtv's upgrade path is pretty robust

[07:43:34]

cesman:

mythtv may not be the password

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xris:

equiller: mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg

[07:43:46]

clever:

remove all myth based packages or every packet its dep's pulled in including stuff like liblame0?

[07:43:49]

xris:

then type in the password when prompted

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kormoc:

cesman, if it's not, it should say invalid password and say password used: yes

[07:43:58]

xris:

clever: just *mythtv*

[07:44:01]

clever:

k

[07:44:09]

cesman:

ok

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xris:

cesman: that's true

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xris:

but it would say "invalid password" not "no password"

[07:44:32]

clever:

would qt be considered part of myth?

[07:44:38]

kormoc:

clever, no

[07:44:44]

kormoc:

(thank god)

[07:44:49]

clever:

lol

[07:44:49]

xris:

clever: you'll need qt and qt-devel packages, etc.

[07:45:02]

clever:

k:)

[07:45:35]

clever:

i saved a list of the packets it installed so i could remove them all at a later date if i needed

[07:45:37]

equiller:

xris: access denied, using password=Yes

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xris:

equiller: updatedb && locate mysql.txt

[07:47:36]

xris:

er, prefix that with sudo

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exobyte:

I'm having problems getting live tv to work. I end up getting "RemoteEncoder::openControlSocket(): Connection timed out"

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equiller:

xris: done, no errors

[07:48:23]

clever:

going to compile all of mythtv from inside the mythtv user for a chance

[07:48:27]

xris:

equiller: it should then locate the file

[07:48:32]

clever:

dont normaly compile stuff outside my main username

[07:48:41]

xris:

clever: heh. shouldn't make much difference

[07:48:48]

xris:

you *are* using svn checkout of -fixes, right?

[07:49:03]

clever:

was going to get a non svn:P

[07:49:10]

clever:

packaged source tar ball

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equiller:

xris: /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

[07:49:45]

clever:

lol

[07:49:48]

clever:

when i went to get the docs last night

[07:49:56]

clever:

i seem to have downloaded the source tar by mistake

[07:50:00]

clever:

which had docs in it:P

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xris:

clever: tarball is full of bugs

[07:50:25]

clever:

lol

[07:50:27]

xris:

and is going to be older than your packages

[07:50:30]

clever:

0.20?

[07:50:33]

xris:

all packages pull from -fixes

[07:50:38]

equiller:

xris: password wasn't "mythtv"

[07:50:47]

xris:

equiller: that was what we thought

[07:50:57]

xris:

clever: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac

[07:51:12]

clever:

ahh:)

[07:52:17]

clever:

seems svn isnt installed:P

[07:53:33]

clever:

fixed

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equiller:

xris: changed the file, nothing works that previously didn't...

[07:53:53]

clever:

how many gig would the temp build files take?

[07:54:09]

xris:

equiller: changing the file won't help. the db still has the other password in it

[07:54:24]

hads:

Temp build files? Nowhere near that big

[07:54:29]

xris:

clever: no clue. you might also want to install ccache, though.. speeds up recompiles if there are errors, etc.

[07:54:30]

clever:

k:)

[07:54:48]

clever:

what about distcc?

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equiller:

xris: oh... i don't suppose you know how to update that, as well?

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xris:

equiller: mysql -u root -p

[07:55:05]

clever:

i got a pair of ubuntu boxes so they should be nearly identical if i could get distcc to work

[07:55:16]

xris:

assuming you know your mysql root password (it's often empty)

[07:55:19]

hads:

My dirty svn directory is ~200MB

[07:55:39]

clever:

ive had another programs build folder get up into the gig area before

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equiller:

xris: empty it was

[07:56:10]

xris:

equiller: ok.. GRANT ALL ON mythconverg.* TO mythtv@"localhost" IDENTIFIED BY "mythtv";

[07:56:23]

xris:

hads: funny. my clean one is 284M :)

[07:56:27]

xris:

granted, that's ALL of svn.

[07:56:34]

clever:

lol

[07:56:35]

xris:

well, all of trunk

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clever:

im still getting the mythtv from the first of 3 svn lines

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equiller:

xris: wonderful, thanks! ui loaded

[07:57:07]

clever:

avg of 1500kb/sec on my network interface

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hads:

xris: Heh, yeah that was only mythtv

[07:57:21]

clever:

dsl maxes at 150kb/sec and im using X11 fowarding thru that interface

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xris:

hads: 130M for that

[07:58:01]

hads:

OK so around 70M of binaries etc.

[07:58:31]

clever:

one problem ive noticed with ubuntu

[07:58:39]

clever:

when it makes a persons home folder it puts the perms 755 on it

[07:58:50]

clever:

letting any person in the system ls your home folder all they want

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hads:

You can configure that somewhere

[07:59:18]

clever:

yeah i probly can

[07:59:20]

hads:

with dpkg-reconfigure

[07:59:37]

hads:

Can't remember the package though

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clever:

:P

[08:00:06]

xris:

clever: that practice actually goes back a LONG time... back when each user had a public_html directory that httpd user needed access to.

[08:00:13]

clever:

svn'ing the myth plugings

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clever:

to give access to the pub html id just give +x to all not +r

[08:00:48]

clever:

then the httpd can cd in and cd into a folder with a known name

[08:00:55]

clever:

if it fails then it doesnt exist

[08:01:07]

infestedc0re:

im off... thxs for help guys

[08:01:11]

clever:

the lack of +r would hide the rest of the files

[08:01:55]

clever:

but since each user owns there own home folder im able to 'fix' it with chmod o-rx ~

[08:02:20]

hads:

It's in /etc/adduser.conf anyway

[08:02:47]

clever:

DIR_MODE=0755

[08:02:50]

clever:

found it

[08:03:11]

xris:

clever: a lot of those old systems need to look into the homedir to see if the directory existed first.

[08:03:21]

clever:

lol

[08:03:50]

xris:

the "correct" security fix at the time was 705 permissions, and making sure that all real users were part of the "users" group and that apache wasn't.

[08:03:59]

clever:

even if i cause the sys to stop booting i can su or livecd it into working

[08:04:25]

clever:

the mythtv home folder is owned by the group mythtv

[08:04:35]

clever:

each user gets there own private group

[08:05:22]

hads:

svn switch is cool

[08:05:32]

clever:

im still on the 2nd svn co line

[08:06:07]

clever:

im also building it remotely and going to be running some of it thru x11 fowarding which will surely slow things down alot

[08:06:23]

clever:

once i managed to get xawtv playing my tv thru x11 forwarding

[08:06:28]

xris:

why running compiler through xll?

[08:06:33]

xris:

er, x11?

[08:06:47]

clever:

i have x going on both boxes

[08:06:55]

clever:

and the one for mythtv is upstairs atm

[08:07:00]

clever:

in in bed on a laptop

[08:07:37]

clever:

i dont beleive the username mythtv has a password within the passwd/shadow files yet so i used ssh -X to get into my username

[08:07:51]

clever:

then xauth and extract to copy the auth record for the tunnel to /tmp/auth

[08:07:53]

xris:

yeah. but why compile through x forwarding? that's what console and screen are for

[08:08:04]

clever:

then chown to give that to mythtv

[08:08:13]

clever:

im doing most of the compiling thru ssh and screen

[08:08:23]

clever:

sometimes having screen->ssh->screen

[08:08:36]

clever:

having to hit complex things like ^a a ^a a

[08:08:54]

justin_:

How would I tell myth to only record new episodes of a series?

[08:09:19]

hads:

Yeah two screen sessions can be annoying

[08:09:22]

clever:

^a a ^a a tells the screen session to send a pair of ^a's causing the 2nd session behind it to swap its windows

[08:09:41]

clever:

also once i had a window on both which was ssh'ed back into the other

[08:09:47]

xris:

justin_: not sure that's available outside of the development code

[08:09:50]

clever:

so i had to be carefull not to cause an inf loop

[08:10:29]

justin_:

seems like that would be an important feature...

[08:11:08]

xris:

justin_: that's what duplicate checking is for

[08:11:39]

clever:

i have a folder at /home/mythtv/roms which is filled with zsnes rom files

[08:11:54]

xris:

clever: we don't want to know about piracy here

[08:12:03]

clever:

when i told mythtv to scan for games yesterday it claimed to find none

[08:12:23]

clever:

lets just say i payed for them

[08:12:31]

clever:

they came on a harddrive my dad paid for

[08:12:40]

cesman:

that isn't the point

[08:12:51]

xris:

let's just say I didn't see that comment. :)

[08:12:55]

justin_:

I know the duplicate checking is there – the problem is, if I want mythtv to start recording only new episodes of, say, Stargate SG-1

[08:12:55]

clever:

lol

[08:13:07]

clever:

technicaly we paid for an empty drive and got 20gig of data for free

[08:13:41]

xris:

clever: doesn't make the data any more legal

[08:13:47]

clever:

lol

[08:13:52]

justin_:

That show's been on for 10 years, and I've seen every episode to date

[08:14:08]

clever:

we need to delete the 'private' family photos but i have yet to get arround to making ntfs r/w

[08:14:23]

justin_:

So I'm not interested in having it record the reruns, but I do want it to catch the show once it comes back from hiatus sometime in March

[08:14:30]

xris:

justin_: untill recently, there hasn't really been a way for mythtv to KNOW that something was a "first showing"

[08:15:04]

justin_:

Zap2it doesn't flag shows as 'repeat' or 'new'?

[08:15:06]

hads:

xris: How does it know now?

[08:15:29]

xris:

justin_: does now. not sure if they did back before .20 was released.

[08:16:07]

justin_:

OK – so, with 0.20, can I specify 'record first showing only'?

[08:16:42]

xris:

like I said, I don't think so.

[08:16:53]

xris:

but I've been running svn for so long, I don't remember which features were in .20

[08:17:14]

clever:

error msg is a tad off

[08:17:16]

clever:

You must have the Lame MP3 encoding library installed to compile Myth.

[08:17:19]

clever:

i have liblame0

[08:17:25]

clever:

i need liblame-dev :P

[08:17:27]

xris:

clever: need the headers

[08:17:38]

xris:

if you had installed LAME from source, you'd have the headers.

[08:17:46]

xris:

not mythtv's fault that packagers split the files up

[08:17:48]

clever:

yeah

[08:17:53]

clever:

just saying the error should say it needs headers

[08:18:13]

clever:

others might get confused when it asks just for the lib and you allready have it installed

[08:18:21]

justin_:

OK, this is interesting – I've got mythweb working, and I'm setting up recordings.

[08:18:31]

xris:

justin_: that's how I do things.

[08:19:05]

clever:

any tips on using distcc when building mythtv?

[08:19:15]

justin_:

I set Dresden Files to record all showings – now, on Wednesday, there's a repeat – it's higlighted, but with dashed blue instead of solid green

[08:19:25]

xris:

but I *know* "new episodes only" isn't in .20 mythweb because I just added it a couple of weeks ago

[08:20:02]

xris:

if you mouseover, you should get a popup with a reason why it's disabled

[08:21:16]

justin_:

Ahh – ok, when I look at the listing for Wednesday's Stargate SG-1 rerun, it is flagged as a rerun.

[08:21:42]

Dagmar:

Cuz broadvertisers feel that every episode is equally important, especially the ones they get cheaper

[08:21:55]

xris:

yeah. but the restriction filter for schedules is newer than .20

[08:22:02]

Dagmar:

Whether or not they'll mark their programming as reruns is entirely a crap shoot

[08:22:38]

justin_:

If I set up the recording from within mythfrontend, is there an option to filter on reruns?

[08:23:16]

justin_:

Actually, here's the proper question – what do I need to do to be able to filter out reruns?

[08:23:57]

clever:

doesnt seem like distcc is doing any good yet

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xris:

justin_: upgrade to svn trunk

[08:27:52]

xris:

or use something like the timeslot filter

[08:28:02]

xris:

so that it only records the timeslot where new shows appear

[08:29:04]

justin_:

What sucks about that is I don't know what time. day, or even date it will be on after hiatus.

[08:29:30]

exobyte:

Ok, I looked into my problem watching live tv. Basically, it's connecting to the wrong IP address, neither the client nor server (I only have one server). Somewhere, I have a wrong IP set

[08:29:39]

xris:

justin_: so.... wait and see?

[08:29:39]

hads:

Interesting, mythfilldatabase has been split up into seperate files in trunk

[08:29:54]

justin_:

I guess so...

[08:30:01]

justin_:

Well, hey, thanks a bunch for your help!

[08:30:06]

xris:

hads: huh?

[08:30:14]

xris:

justin_: svn isn't all that scary, either.

[08:30:49]

hads:

In .20-fixes it's all in filldata.cpp, now there's xmltvparser.cpp etc.

[08:31:22]

exobyte:

is the server to get video from set on the client or server?

[08:31:51]

xris:

exobyte: huh?

[08:32:02]

xris:

hads: oh, the source. heh.

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clever:

/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt-mt

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exobyte:

xris: There are servers I can get video from. Does the client get this info from the server it connects to?

[08:32:52]

hads:

xris: Oh, yeah, sorry :)

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xris:

exobyte: servers.. as in multiple backends?

[08:33:58]

xris:

clever: apt-get build-dep mythtv

[08:34:17]

clever:

E: Unable to find a source package for mythtv

[08:34:17]

xris:

or whatever the package is called

[08:34:28]

xris:

you may need to enable the source package repo

[08:35:04]

clever:

updating...

[08:35:14]

clever:

E: Build-Depends dependency for mythtv cannot be satisfied because the package libiec61883-dev cannot be found

[08:35:20]

exobyte:

xris: yes

[08:35:45]

GlemSom:

I have an mpeg clip under the videosection... I was wondering if it is possible to use the soundcard's output instead of sending the entire stream to the PVR-350 card – and then using the PVR-350's sound output?

[08:35:59]

xris:

clever: yay. gotta love those problematic packages. I think you need to enable some more source repos

[08:36:18]

clever:

there was a deb line just before the deb-src ones i uncommented

[08:36:22]

clever:

i'll uncomment them too

[08:36:23]

xris:

exobyte: there should be a single master backend. it will know about the slave backends and tell the frontend where to talk

[08:36:30]

kormoc:

GlemSom, if you use the pvr 350's X driver, it should do that

[08:37:00]

clever:

W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_dapper-security_universe_bi nary-i386_Packages)

[08:37:27]

clever:

but the build-dep mythtv is working

[08:37:38]

clever:

30mb of dev stuff comming in

[08:37:41]

xris:

cool

[08:37:45]

exobyte:

xris: ok. Is there a config file with the list of slave backends?

[08:37:51]

GlemSom:

kormoc, Do what – output the sound on the soundcard?

[08:37:53]

clever:

any way to fix distcc?

[08:37:59]

clever:

it isnt touching the 2nd box

[08:38:07]

xris:

exobyte: no

[08:38:18]

xris:

config file wouldn't be able to know which are running.

[08:38:34]

exobyte:

xris: oh.

[08:38:36]

GlemSom:

kormoc, Well, it doesn't.. I'm using the 350's X driver – and the sound comes from the 350 card

[08:38:41]

xris:

exobyte: what are you trying to do?

[08:38:52]

kormoc:

GlemSom, and you have the 350 output disabled in mythtv?

[08:39:02]

kormoc:

350 specific output that is

[08:39:05]

Dagmar:

exobyte: Okay, look. It's clear you've not read the install docs that explain some of this, but here... read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Executive_Overview It's a bit of a work in progress but it should at least fill in most of the blanks for you

[08:39:13]

exobyte:

xris: have one backend (master) and a frontnet on another machine

[08:39:35]

GlemSom:

kormoc, No, because I'm using the 350's audio output when watching live tv

[08:40:23]

exobyte:

xris: my problem is that when the frontend tries to connect to watch live tv, it tries to connect to a machine that doesn't exist

[08:40:25]

kormoc:

GlemSom, it's rather one way or the other, not both I'm 'fraid

[08:41:19]

xris:

exobyte: then your master backend IP is misconfigured in the db. rerun mythtv-setup to fix it.

[08:42:39]

clever:

ahhhh finaly my laptop is slowing as distcc kicks in:D

[08:43:04]

exobyte:

xris: ok, thanks

[08:43:14]

GlemSom:

bugger... since I have the NF7 mainboard where the mic port is broken – I'm unable to redirect the output :(

[08:44:13]

Dagmar:

Physically broken or is this more crazy output routing stuff

[08:44:19]

exobyte:

xris: is there a way I can get it to detect the ip address from the network interface?

[08:44:46]

xris:

exobyte: automatically? no.

[08:45:12]

exobyte:

xris: I hate it when programs really, really want to know their IP address

[08:45:14]

Dagmar:

Multicast DNS.

[08:45:14]

Dagmar:

;)

[08:45:22]

clever:

xris: cant a script on ifup check the interface ip and change the config?

[08:45:29]

clever:

or even a cron script

[08:45:36]

kormoc:

clever, sure, you could write one

[08:45:46]

Dagmar:

clever: try `vi mscleo.sh`

[08:45:56]

xris:

exobyte: how else is a client-server app supposed to work? the client needs to know the server's IP.

[08:46:04]

kormoc:

but it's fragile enough in the real world that it won't be official

[08:46:11]

xris:

.21 will have auto-detection of backends/frontends via upnp, if you want to wait for it.

[08:46:26]

xris:

but until then, manually-configured static IPs are really easy to do.

[08:46:30]

clever:

that sounds usefull:)

[08:46:49]

clever:

i allready have static ip's everywhere

[08:46:56]

Dagmar:

If you can't manage to remember a couple of dotted quads in your own home, you SUCK

[08:46:58]

exobyte:

xris: dns

[08:47:03]

xris:

exobyte: huh?

[08:47:09]

kormoc:

personally, I'd be happy if myth supported hostnames, but meh, not that big of an issue

[08:47:10]

exobyte:

xris: except it won't take a hostname

[08:47:14]

clever:

Dagmar: i remember a few years ago i was memorizing my public ip

[08:47:23]

clever:

which back then was changing allmost daily

[08:47:26]

Dagmar:

Oh yes I'm so sure people unable to come to grips with the idea of static addreses are going to be able to set up a DNS server properly.

[08:47:45]

xris:

exobyte: dunno what to say there.

[08:47:46]

Dagmar:

Dns without hostnames? LOL

[08:47:54]

clever:

i have a dns cache and my own dhcp server

[08:48:09]

exobyte:

xris: it's easy to implement

[08:48:12]

xris:

I'd say it's a security feature, but I know that the devs don't care THAT much about security.

[08:48:22]

xris:

exobyte: might be time to submit a patch, then.

[08:48:24]

exobyte:

clever: same here

[08:48:29]

exobyte:

heh....

[08:48:30]

Dagmar:

xris: This being a home-centric application, less security is probably just fine

[08:48:31]

kormoc:

Dagmar, my router setups dns automatically on dhcp request :P

[08:48:31]

exobyte:

a patch

[08:48:40]

clever:

about the worse it can get is some1 stealing all the pron you recorded off tv:P

[08:48:49]

clever:

if the security is weak

[08:48:52]

Dagmar:

I wouldn't like, run MythTV on a college network because that would be asking for trouble, but for home use it's fine

[08:48:58]

kormoc:

clever, nah, delete all the recordings

[08:49:05]

exobyte:

Dagmar: right- I spend more time keeping people off my network that making it a pain to use from within it

[08:49:11]

clever:

yeah they could do that too:P

[08:49:18]

clever:

and what if the backend is root?

[08:49:37]

Dagmar:

clever: So they can make your MythTV box record the Home Shopping Channel?

[08:49:41]

clever:

any major leaks that might let let the user gain access to root thru that?:S

[08:50:08]

Dagmar:

If it's "just" a myth box, then it doesn't really much matter whether they get root or some other uid

[08:50:14]

xris:

Dagmar: yes.

[08:50:18]

Dagmar:

They've already got control of nearly everything that matters

[08:50:21]

clever:

my mythtv cant change channels right now

[08:50:38]

Loto:

then pass the remote

[08:51:23]

clever:

most are non pw either end

[08:51:31]

kormoc:

Dagmar, heh, nope, never seen/heard of it. I just know how many of my friend use passkeyless ssh keys :P

[08:51:33]

clever:

but those are ip limited on the server end

[08:52:05]

clever:

if you try to use my passless key from outside my isp's ip range youll just get asked for the /etc/shadow pw

[08:52:24]

kormoc:

clever, sure, but if they're in your network, they can ssh out from your network just fine

[08:52:28]

clever:

yeah

[08:52:33]

clever:

till i catch then and pull the cord

[08:52:40]

** kormoc laughs **

[08:52:44]

kormoc:

hope you're fast :P

[08:52:49]

clever:

would be more stable for them if they copy it to there end and use it from there:P

[08:53:26]

clever:

also none of the private keys give access to roots

[08:54:57]

kormoc:

oh gawd

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** kormoc weeps for humanity **

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Bernardo|away:

good morning

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xris:

clever: how to tweak ssh to know that a key doesn't have a passphrase?

[08:56:38]

clever:

when you make the private key pair

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Dagmar:

My response was laden with caffiene, so I was saying things like "I love it when you get control of both accounting and logistics at the same time. It's like Christmas, but with more delivery options."

[08:56:48]

xris:

sort of seems like a violation of the pub/private key security.

[08:56:49]

clever:

you can just not give it a passphrase

[08:56:53]

clever:

then it wont encrypt the private file

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xris:

right. but how does the server know?

[08:57:07]

Dagmar:

The server doesn't.

[08:57:08]

kormoc:

xris, server doesn't know

[08:57:15]

clever:

the server has the public half of the key

[08:57:16]

Dagmar:

You can't control what passphrase people put on their keys

[08:57:25]

kormoc:

I so wish you could

[08:57:28]

clever:

and normaly you feed your client the passphrase it decrypts the private

[08:57:31]

xris:

oh... he said "my" I read "a"

[08:57:35]

Dagmar:

Ah

[08:57:35]

clever:

then uses the decrypted private data

[08:57:58]

clever:

the passphrase never leaves the client

[08:58:23]

clever:

and with ssh-agent the client wont even get ahold of the private key data

[08:58:32]

xris:

clever: I was just trying to figure out how you got it so that your system prompted for the password if someone used a phraseless key from outside your network. but I misread what you actually said.

[08:59:09]

clever:

the sshd/sshclient will giveup on the private key and move to keyboard interactive if the private is denied by the server config

[08:59:19]

xris:

clever: yes. I know.

[08:59:39]

clever:

and in the athorized_keys file i just set an ip limit on the private key

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** Bernardo kicks atx fglrx hard for ignoring modelines, makes using a tv with a atx card terrible **

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Dagmar:

Good for you.

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xris:

I misread what you said and thought that you said it would do that ONLY for phraseless keys

[08:59:57]

clever:

ahh

[09:00:03]

Dagmar:

Kick it some more.

[09:00:14]

Dagmar:

It's probably done some other stuff you haven't noticed yet.

[09:00:24]

clever:

my irc client is beginging to lag a tad because distcc is loading the sys down

[09:00:44]

clever:

swap is also getting pretty full

[09:00:51]

Bernardo:

I spent two days trying to find why my home made vga-scart cable wouldn't work

[09:01:18]

Bernardo:

switching to the radeon driver I now get decent quality on my tv, now the wife has no excuses not to use mythtv

[09:01:26]

clever:

Bernardo: ive seen people on some forums which use home made cables to extend a laptop lcd pannel

[09:01:50]

clever:

my dad claims that mythtv is linux

[09:01:53]

clever:

and therefor its complex

[09:01:56]

Bernardo:

lol

[09:01:58]

clever:

and refuses to use it

[09:02:28]

Bernardo:

my wife can install linux (mandriva, just press next, next, next), has problems installing windows

[09:02:32]

clever:

lol

[09:02:57]

clever:

main problem i have with mythtv atm

[09:03:06]

clever:

its allways playing what happened 2–3 seconds ago

[09:03:17]

clever:

and the guide/channel changing are done before that loop

[09:03:25]

clever:

so when you hit a button for the cable box

[09:03:30]

clever:

nothing happens for 5 seconds

[09:03:30]

Bernardo:

that's normal, it is recording and buffering, no?

[09:03:35]

clever:

yeah

[09:03:43]

clever:

would be better if mythtv did the guide itself

[09:03:51]

xris:

clever: huh?

[09:03:53]

clever:

and when it changes channels maybe reset the buffer

[09:04:03]

xris:

mythtv DOES do the guide itself

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Bernardo:

my main problem now is mythdvd, I have it set up to play the dvd when I insert one, but it always goes into the gallery

[09:04:14]

clever:

yeah but my guide was empty last i used it

[09:04:19]

clever:

and it cant change channels

[09:04:26]

xris:

clever: sounds like you missed something during setup

[09:04:32]

clever:

i was having to use the digital cable box guide thru the 5 second loop

[09:04:37]

kormoc:

clever, that's cause ubuntu drake is brokeassed

[09:04:53]

clever:

xris: when i did mythfilldatabase it spat tons of errors because of the old mythtv and the new mysql

[09:05:04]

xris:

clever: yeah, that'd be an issue.

[09:05:13]

clever:

im compiling the svn version right now

[09:05:25]

xris:

clever: did you go for trunk or fixes?

[09:05:26]

clever:

it might fix the guide problems but it wont fix the channel changing

[09:05:39]

clever:

trunk i think

[09:06:11]

clever:

distcc'ing it together using a 1.6ghz and a 1ghz

[09:06:47]

clever:

if it was posible id also use a cross compiler on my 2.9ghz in the distcc:P

[09:07:09]

clever:

that gives me an idea

[09:07:11]

xris:

what kind of connection to the cable box?

[09:07:19]

clever:

composite video line

[09:07:30]

clever:

goes from the video out and into the bt848 card

[09:07:46]

xris:

and ir blaster to change channels?

[09:07:49]

clever:

dont have any working lirc build to send signals over

[09:07:55]

xris:

ahh

[09:08:01]

clever:

theres a com port on the back of the cable box

[09:08:03]

xris:

then yeah, I can understand how that would get annoying

[09:08:05]

clever:

just havent checked it yet

[09:08:09]

xris:

they rarely work

[09:08:12]

xris:

digital cable?

[09:08:18]

clever:

rogers digital cable

[09:08:23]

clever:

motorola box

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xris:

should check into how much it'd cost to upgrade to HD.

[09:08:33]

clever:

theres no hd in it

[09:08:37]

clever:

all firmware

[09:08:44]

xris:

high def, not hard drive

[09:08:50]

clever:

ahjj

[09:08:51]

xris:

hd box will have a firewire port

[09:08:57]

clever:

give me a sec to rip one of the boxes out from under my bed

[09:09:05]

clever:

i have digital cable in the bed with a black and white tv:P

[09:09:10]

xris:

well, assuming you're in the US

[09:09:39]

clever:

canada

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AlefBet:

I've just upgraded my kernel and ivtv. Is there anything else I need to do to get MythTV working?

[09:09:56]

clever:

rs-232 port

[09:10:13]

AlefBet:

mplayer /dev/video0 works, but "watch TV now" goes to a black screen for about 15 seconds and then comes back to menu.

[09:10:17]

xris:

clever: ahh. not so much on the firewire, then

[09:10:19]

clever:

theres also a highspeed and a out of band plug

[09:10:31]

clever:

and an ir port on the back

[09:10:38]

xris:

AlefBet: and what does the console say when you do that?

[09:10:57]

clever:

catv converter model dct224/1261/acdegk

[09:12:47]

clever:

xris: only 1 firewire plug in the whole house

[09:12:49]

clever:

and its on the xp 2.9ghz box

[09:12:51]

xris:

AlefBet: and what does the backend say?

[09:13:07]

xris:

clever: won't help you in canada, anyway... unless rogers is suddenly obeying the fcc.

[09:13:15]

clever:

lol

[09:13:16]

AlefBet:

Hmm. The backend is daemonized. What's the best way to get to its output?

[09:13:53]

AlefBet:

I guess I can just stop the daemon and start the backend directly.

[09:14:08]

clever:

googled for mythtv and the model#

[09:14:12]

AlefBet:

Error getting codec params

[09:14:12]

AlefBet:

IVTV_IOC_G_CODEC:: Invalid argument

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clever:

found a site explaining how to fully install mythtv and 50 others things and interface with this box

[09:14:38]

AlefBet:

This is MythTV 0.19 by the way.

[09:14:46]

xris:

clever: mythtv can run a script to do the channel change... normally uses it to run an ir blaster, but you can do serial control, too.

[09:14:54]

clever:

he didnt get mythtv to use it but the pc was able to control it thru serial

[09:15:04]

xris:

AlefBet: I could recommend upgrading mythtv to the latest version.

[09:15:34]

xris:

AlefBet: backend logs.

[09:15:35]

AlefBet:

I would like to. But it's always been a complicated upgrade so I want to upgrade each piece individually — ivtv first, then when I know it works, MythTV.

[09:15:36]

clever:

its on www.ihtfp.org/mythtv

[09:15:36]

Bernardo:

I now have 3 problems to get my mythtv box exactly as I want it: – dvd not playing automatically (always opens gallery), icons not being assigned by mythfilldatabase, and a non-mythtv related (nvram-write) problem

[09:15:43]

xris:

or stop and run manually, preferably with -v all

[09:15:47]

clever:

search down to dct2224

[09:16:01]

Bernardo:

can anyone help me on the two first problems?

[09:16:15]

xris:

AlefBet: usually better to upgrade the software, not the drivers, but your way could work, too.

[09:16:18]

AlefBet:

Do versions older than 0.20 have difficulty using the newer IVTVs?

[09:16:29]

** clever goes to find a cable to get the laptop changing this box arround **

[09:16:30]

clever:

brb

[09:16:39]

xris:

Bernardo: icons need to be imported manually

[09:17:21]

AlefBet:

Do you know what MythTV relies on V4L providing other than the /dev/video0 device for MPEG streams and a tuner facility?

[09:17:39]

xris:

AlefBet: thought you said you were using ivtv, not v4l

[09:17:41]

AlefBet:

Could this be a permissions problem, for example? I think I checked that.

[09:17:55]

AlefBet:

Isn't ivtv a driver under the v4l subsystem?

[09:18:06]

xris:

AlefBet: it's possible that newer ivtv requires a newer mythtv.

[09:18:09]

xris:

I don't know

[09:18:25]

xris:

but you're not going to get a lot of support here if you're running a piece of software more than a year old

[09:18:42]

AlefBet:

Okay, I guess I'll downgrade to 0.6 and try this again when I can find an upgrade guide for MythTV.

[09:18:43]

xris:

half of us don't even remember what .20 has, let alone .19

[09:18:53]

Bernardo:

xris: I know, I did a "mythfilldatabase --importiconmap" suppling a xmltv generated iconmap, but nothing was filled in the channels icon entries

[09:18:54]

xris:

upgrading mythtv is FAR easier than ivtv.

[09:18:59]

xris:

you install the new version and it works.

[09:19:06]

xris:

Bernardo: you also need --update-icon-map

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clever:

baack

[09:19:21]

xris:

--import-icon-map just specifies the file to use. you also need to tell it to make the changes.

[09:19:26]

xris:

(I ran into this tonight, too)

[09:19:26]

AlefBet:

When I upgraded from 0.18 to 0.19 it was a major fiasco, so I'm gunshy about it.

[09:19:49]

xris:

odd. I think I've been upgrading continuously since .13 with little trouble

[09:19:53]

AlefBet:

Someone said something about the 0.18 database format not working with 0.19, but I didn't really understand it.

[09:20:06]

xris:

yeah. but the db should be auto-upgrading

[09:20:40]

xris:

Bernardo: you could also grab the master iconmap from: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . _iconmap.xml (don't wget that URL, it's a web page)

[09:20:47]

clever:

cable box works again

[09:20:47]

AlefBet:

Well, I guess I'll back up my database, upgrade to 0.20 and see if that works.

[09:20:57]

** clever feeds the com port cable to the laptop **

[09:21:06]

AlefBet:

Should I re-setup my TV sources after doing that?

[09:21:12]

xris:

AlefBet: if you're compiling, PLEASE use the .20-fixes branch in svn so you get bug fixes.

[09:21:24]

AlefBet:

Do you know if that's in portage?

[09:21:44]

xris:

yeah. pretty sure all packages pull from the fixes branch

[09:21:59]

xris:

although cardoe has been known to do some wacky stuff with the gentoo package

[09:22:35]

AlefBet:

Portage says the latest stable is 0.20_p12172. Does that sound like it's got the fixes?

[09:22:43]

kormoc:

yes, that's fixes

[09:22:50]

kormoc:

just check the useflags before updating

[09:23:06]

AlefBet:

Which ones should I be observant of?

[09:23:15]

Bernardo:

xris: does that page have portuguese channel icons?

[09:23:26]

kormoc:

AlefBet, autostart is the one that gets the most people

[09:23:50]

AlefBet:

"equery uses" doesn't list autostart. Is that a new flag in 0.20?

[09:24:13]

kormoc:

emerge -pv mythtv

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xris:

Bernardo: I have no idea. probably not.

[09:24:18]

kormoc:

that'll show the new useflags

[09:25:05]

AlefBet:

Do I want that use flag, or should I suppress it?

[09:25:18]

kormoc:

surpress it likely

[09:26:07]

AlefBet:

Hmm. emerge -pv mythtv doesn't list that flag.

[09:26:25]

AlefBet:

How does this look?

[09:26:26]

kormoc:

might be in the ~x86 one then

[09:26:51]

kormoc:

you are using ivtv, no?

[09:26:59]

AlefBet:

Yes.

[09:27:15]

kormoc:

AlefBet, might want to set +ivtv then

[09:27:43]

AlefBet:

Whoa. Yeah, I expect so.

[09:27:45]

AlefBet:

Good catch.

[09:28:51]

AlefBet:

Any reason not to set it globally — in make.conf?

[09:29:06]

** kormoc shrugs **

[09:29:12]

AlefBet:

K

[09:29:15]

Bernardo:

xris: ok, thanks. I'm resetting the iconmap now, will try once again to import it

[09:29:23]

Dagmar:

heh

[09:30:32]

clever:

ive sound out what script i need

[09:30:37]

clever:

but all the links are dead

[09:31:00]

AlefBet:

Does IVTV use the odd/even convention to designate testing branches? Should I be going with 0.8?

[09:32:01]

Dagmar:

No

[09:32:06]

Dagmar:

Read their front page

[09:32:14]

Dagmar:

The version of ivtv you should use depends on your kernel.

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AlefBet:

Does IVTV 0.5 not correspond to a kernel in particular, then?

[09:40:39]

AlefBet:

Oh, it looks like they did just one unstable branch in the middle.

[09:44:09]

clever:

mythbackend: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.20.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

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xris:

clever: did you `make install` ?

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clever:

yes i just did that

[09:46:07]

clever:

-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 992384 Feb 4 03:45 /usr/local/bin/mythbackend

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clever:

last mod time is today

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clever:

under 20mins old

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xris:

and where is libmythtv-.020.so.0 ?

[09:47:45]

xris:

well, without the typo

[09:48:06]

clever:

searching

[09:48:21]

clever:

mythtv@theP4:~$ find / -name "*libmythtv*" 2>/dev/null

[09:48:37]

clever:

slocate hasnt been updated since the make install

[09:48:50]

clever:

/home/mythtv/mythtvbuild/mythtv/libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.20.so.0.20.0

[09:48:56]

clever:

best match so far:S

[09:49:04]

clever:

way off on its path

[09:49:09]

clever:

/usr/local/lib/libmythtv-0.20.so.0.20.0

[09:49:15]

clever:

/usr/local/lib/libmythtv-0.20.so.0

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clever:

better:)

[09:49:29]

xris:

run ldconfig

[09:49:35]

xris:

sudo ldconfig

[09:49:54]

clever:

no need for sudo

[09:49:58]

clever:

have a term open to root

[09:50:04]

xris:

well, either way

[09:50:11]

clever:

same error still

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clever:

open("/usr/lib/libmythtv-0.20.so.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)

[09:51:15]

clever:

one of the many lines from strace

[09:51:22]

clever:

i could stick a symlink there to make it happy

[09:52:17]

hads:

Shouldn't need one

[09:52:36]

xris:

yeah. sounds like a configure error or something

[09:52:41]

clever:

when i make the symlonk the error goes away

[09:52:48]

clever:

and is replaced by one about another lib

[09:52:49]

Dagmar:

No.

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kormoc:

ld isn't looking in /usr/local/lib

[09:52:57]

Dagmar:

Do not make symlinks manually in /usr/lib.

[09:53:02]

clever:

my best guess is its ignoring /usr/local/lib

[09:53:20]

Dagmar:

clever: Probably something to do with you not knowing anything much about Linux.

[09:53:33]

clever:

lol

[09:53:37]

Dagmar:

clever: Fix it by adding "/usr/local/lib" to /etc/ld.so.conf (NO QUOTATION MARKS) and typing `ldconfig` as root

[09:53:48]

clever:

yeah that was my guess

[09:53:49]

clever:

was just opening man ld.so.onf

[09:54:16]

clever:

better

[09:54:20]

clever:

mysql errors now

[09:54:31]

** clever checks the configs **

[09:55:04]

clever:

lol it made a new file under ~/.mythtv/mysql

[09:55:12]

clever:

and is ignoring the one under /etc/mythtv

[09:55:24]

Dagmar:

So, why exactly is it that you couldn't just follow the installation documentation?

[09:55:37]

clever:

im upgrading technicaly

[09:55:40]

Dagmar:

I'm just wondering because most people would have had a working system _last night_

[09:55:54]

clever:

and i havent seen anything in the docs so far about copying the mysql.txt over

[09:56:01]

Dagmar:

You don't need to is why

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xris:

Dagmar: except that his version of ubuntu has an incompatibility between mysql and mythtv packages.

[09:56:14]

Dagmar:

Oh wait

[09:56:20]

clever:

that was the old 0.2 i removed

[09:56:20]

Dagmar:

"Ubuntu" is all you had to say

[09:56:35]

clever:

the package i removed stored mysql.txt in /etc/mythtv/

[09:56:42]

xris:

clever: ~/.mythtv/ is the preferred location. it *should* check /etc/ but if it finds the local one first, it overrides.

[09:56:44]

Dagmar:

I must have been repressing finding that out last night

[09:56:48]

clever:

the source build looked in ~/.mythtv

[09:57:01]

clever:

less errors now

[09:57:01]

Dagmar:

clever: How do you feel about slackware?

[09:57:02]

clever:

br

[09:57:02]

clever:

b

[09:57:11]

hads:

I can't understand why so many people have problems with Ubuntu

[09:57:13]

clever:

it will probly hijack my local X server

[09:57:25]

clever:

cutting access to irssi

[09:57:37]

Dagmar:

hads: Because the person who made the packages for Ubuntu is desperately in need of a good slapping.

[09:57:38]

clever:

updading to schema for tons of things....

[09:57:41]

kormoc:

hads, well drake by default installs mysql 5 with myth 0.19, which is not compatable

[09:58:00]

clever:

i manualy told ubuntu to get mysql 5 when i first installed

[09:58:00]

hads:

kormoc: Yes well that would be a major issue.

[09:58:11]

Dagmar:

hads: There's even more than that

[09:58:15]

clever:

since i needed a version of mysql for my services

[09:58:35]

Dagmar:

I've seen people come in here with perfectly clean installs of Ubuntu's packages that somehow get an X session error when trying to start the *backend*

[09:58:40]

** clever loads the mythtv-setup to look arround then trys the frontend **

[09:59:04]

hads:

Dagmar: Yeah I suppose the packaing is a little odd but I installed myth via packages on a mates box and it didn't run into much trouble

[09:59:48]

clever:

finaly

[09:59:53]

clever:

mythtv-setup complains when the backend is up

[10:00:00]

clever:

that would have saved me 9 hours yesterday

[10:00:02]

xris:

clever: warns.. doesn't really matter

[10:00:04]

Dagmar:

mtyhtv-setup will complain about a lot of stuff

[10:00:12]

hads:

heh

[10:00:15]

clever:

the 0.2 i had i was editing capture settings

[10:00:19]

clever:

and the backend wasnt using them

[10:00:22]

Dagmar:

Some of which (like the nonexistant channel) is just nonsense

[10:00:29]

Dagmar:

It's not 0.2

[10:00:30]

clever:

if i had that warning i would have fixed it in an hour instead of 10:P

[10:00:31]

Dagmar:

There is no 0.2

[10:00:39]

clever:

0.20 i think

[10:00:43]

Dagmar:

These are not counting numbers. They are strings.

[10:00:45]

Dagmar:

Thank you.

[10:00:46]

hads:

Yeah, that is a little annoying

[10:00:48]

clever:

its uninstalled now:P

[10:01:00]

clever:

reopening setup:) brb

[10:01:19]

xris:

2 AM. I think I should sleep.

[10:01:24]

Dagmar:

Sleep is good

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[10:03:58]

clever:

mythfilldatabase......

[10:04:23]

xris:

clever: running?

[10:04:29]

clever:

downloading stuff

[10:04:32]

xris:

yay

[10:06:16]

clever:

grabing more data

[10:07:18]

clever:

2007-02–04 04:09:42.636 DataDirect: Your subscription expires on 05/04/07 07:29:41

[10:07:47]

clever:

month/day/year or day/month/year?

[10:08:26]

kormoc:

month day year

[10:08:31]

clever:

ahh:)

[10:08:34]

clever:

3 months then:P

[10:08:40]

clever:

till it expires

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xris:

clever: yup. then you fill out a survey to renew

[10:10:06]

clever:

ahh easy:)

[10:10:09]

xris:

and lately, the survey has been: No survey, just click OK

[10:10:41]

clever:

nice

[10:11:47]

clever:

still updating....

[10:12:48]

clever:

2007-02–04 04:13:00.427 Grabbing data for Sun Feb 4 2007 offset 3

[10:12:53]

clever:

...

[10:12:55]

clever:

2007-02–04 04:14:16.836 Grabbing data for Sun Feb 4 2007 offset 4

[10:13:05]

clever:

im starting to see a patern in its msgs

[10:13:11]

clever:

2007-02–04 04:15:25.800 Grabbing data for Sun Feb 4 2007 offset 5

[10:14:14]

hads:

Are you going to be showing us all your logs? ;)

[10:14:35]

clever:

just a few lines from it:P

[10:14:48]

clever:

i could paste ALL the output from the cmd

[10:14:50]

clever:

:P

[10:15:19]

hads:

I think most people here probably know what the output looks like already so it's not that interesting...

[10:15:41]

clever:

im guessing it will stop after it downloads x days into the future

[10:15:47]

clever:

but i dont know what x is

[10:16:42]

clever:

brb

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AlefBet:

Hmm.

[10:19:04]

AlefBet:

I've upgraded to 0.20 and starting the backend gives a database error.

[10:19:27]

AlefBet:

DB Error (Performing database upgrade):

[10:19:27]

AlefBet:

Query was: ALTER TABLE program ADD listingsource INT NOT NULL default '0';

[10:19:27]

AlefBet:

Error was: Driver error was [2/1060]:

[10:19:28]

AlefBet:

QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query

[10:19:28]

AlefBet:

Database error was:

[10:19:28]

AlefBet:

Duplicate column name 'listingsource'

[10:19:35]

hads:

Don't paste to the channel

[10:19:40]

AlefBet:

Sorry.

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gbee:

AlefBet: guessing you backported a patch or something to your earlier version

[10:20:55]

AlefBet:

If so, it wasn't me; it was portage.

[10:21:16]

gbee:

could run "ALTER TABLE DROP COLUMN listingsource;"

[10:21:37]

gbee:

bah, bloody packagers

[10:22:08]

gbee:

then the upgrade will normally

[10:22:10]

kormoc:

nah, that's not something portage did

[10:22:10]

Dagmar:

yay gentoo omgoptimizashuns!

[10:22:22]

clever:

mythfrontend is complaining randomly about the backend not being there

[10:22:33]

clever:

backend is up but isnt listening on any port

[10:22:37]

kormoc:

none of the ebuilds did that without bumping the db level as needed as well

[10:23:26]

gbee:

err, that should be "ALTER TABLE program DROP COLUMN listingsource;"

[10:24:13]

** clever goes over mythtv-setup **

[10:24:43]

gbee:

kormoc: a backported patch wouldn't be able to increment the schema version without breaking future upgrades

[10:24:49]

AlefBet:

The ALTER TABLE ddl appears to do what mythbackend needed to proceed.

[10:25:03]

kormoc:

gbee, the few times portage had db patches, it updated the full schema version

[10:25:37]

gbee:

right

[10:26:05]

kormoc:

but I only recall it ever being done once in 0.18, and never again

[10:27:52]

Dagmar:

Hint: If you rebuild from the fixes tree a couple of times a week you never have this problem.

[10:28:05]

Dagmar:

Of course, you also spend a lot of freaking time watching "The GCC Show"

[10:28:12]

Dagmar:

...and it's usually reruns.

[10:28:25]

Dagmar:

...and the plot is very uninspired.

[10:28:44]

gbee:

-fixes isn't updated that frequently ;) once a fortnight or even once a month should be sufficient

[10:29:04]

Dagmar:

Yeah, but I'm usually incrementing this, that, or the other in my packages

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Dagmar:

The last few days I've taken about five different cracks at making my Mysqld package more resilient against unexpected shutdowns.

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** clever resists the urge to try to hit the watch tv button while using x11 forwarding **

[10:30:19]

Dagmar:

clever: the result will not be pretty but it might work

[10:30:25]

clever:

i know

[10:31:01]

clever:

only using the forwarding for the setyp

[10:31:12]

clever:

once its going i'll run it all localy:)

[10:31:24]

Dagmar:

Times like this I wish I could find one good guide showing what the "best practices" are for bringing a mysqld back up

[10:32:11]

AlefBet:

Thanks guys. It appears that my IVTV works fine under 0.20.

[10:32:27]

Dagmar:

ivtv is pretty much trouble-free at this point

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Dagmar:

They may well actually get it into the main kernel by 2.6.22

[10:33:23]

AlefBet:

Sorry about my newbie gaffes. I spent all day rebuilding a computer with a bad motherboard and CPU, so I forgot my netiquette.

[10:33:25]

clever:

http://clever.mine.nu:82/paste/Screenshot-42.png

[10:33:32]

clever:

still getting that error every now and then

[10:33:48]

clever:

odd and the mythbackend is down it eisted on its own

[10:33:52]

clever:

2007-02–04 04:34:35.844 MainServer: HandleRemoteEncoder(cmd GET_STATE) Unknown encoder: 1, exiting

[10:34:17]

Dagmar:

clever: Sounds like you've managed to build an unstable bin'

[10:34:27]

kormoc:

clever, delete and re-add the capture card

[10:34:41]

** clever loads mythtv-setup and deletes all cards **

[10:34:48]

clever:

only 1 there

[10:36:48]

clever:

done

[10:37:19]

AlefBet:

Hmm. Here's a glitch.

[10:37:33]

AlefBet:

All my channel names appear to have been changed to "Adding Channel XX".

[10:37:40]

AlefBet:

Where XX is the channel number.

[10:37:58]

AlefBet:

Is there an easy way to set those to the names from Zap2it?

[10:38:46]

Dagmar:

Run mythfilldatabase and cross your fingers

[10:38:47]

kormoc:

welp, I should go to bed

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AlefBet:

I tried that already, but I'll try again. Is there another possibility?

[10:39:55]

Dagmar:

Nuke your channel listings adn THEN run mythfilldatabase maybe

[10:40:08]

clever:

Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5)

[10:40:09]

Dagmar:

Zap2it is where Myth *gets* all that info if that's what you're using

[10:40:09]

clever:

2007-02–04 04:41:55.427 Connection timed out.

[10:40:20]

AlefBet:

Okay. Sounds like it's got a shot.

[10:40:34]

Dagmar:

Seems like maybe what you've got left is broken data from the previous schema

[10:41:11]

clever:

port 6543 isnt open/listening

[10:41:15]

clever:

but the backend is up

[10:42:04]

Dagmar:

That must really suck

[10:42:34]

clever:

the backend has some unix sockets open though

[10:43:03]

Dagmar:

Yes, but TCP sockets that mysteriously disappear generally mean God hates you

[10:43:13]

clever:

lol

[10:43:16]

Dagmar:

I recommend turning verbosity up on the backend logging and restarting it

[10:43:32]

clever:

mythbackend -v?

[10:43:34]

Dagmar:

If you're very lucky, and enough candles are lit, you might get a clue

[10:43:57]

clever:

-v needs an arg

[10:44:06]

clever:

-v 9 gives an error

[10:44:16]

hads:

mythbackend -h

[10:44:27]

clever:

ahh

[10:44:31]

clever:

i checked man mythbackend

[10:44:37]

clever:

which also errors

[10:44:40]

hads:

Yes, docs are good

[10:44:58]

Dagmar:

You get an error from `man mythbackend`?

[10:45:11]

clever:

its starting up still

[10:45:18]

clever:

waiting for it to calm down

[10:46:48]

clever:

dont see any errors

[10:47:02]

Dagmar:

bfd

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Dagmar:

Use the frontend.,

[10:47:07]

Dagmar:

Make it crash

[10:47:10]

Dagmar:

THEN read the logs

[10:47:28]

clever:

ahh i see a tcp socket now:)

[10:47:30]

** clever frontends **

[10:47:33]

** Aurelius_ grumbles **

[10:47:35]

AlefBet:

Hmm. Nuking channels and mythfilldatabase-ing results in a front-end error of "you don't have any channels defined in the database"

[10:47:39]

Aurelius_:

mythbackend died on us

[10:48:34]

Dagmar:

AlefBet: Do you perhaps have *two* installations of Myth on there? Perhaps one in /usr/bin and one in /usr/local/bin?

[10:49:16]

AlefBet:

No myth* files in /usr/local/bin.

[10:49:28]

Dagmar:

AlefBet: because if something along those lines isn't screwing you up, I don't know if using mythtv-setup to delete all the cards and providers and readding them will do any good at all

[10:49:35]

AlefBet:

I've only ever installed myth through portage, and I assume it unmerges the old version when it upgrades.

[10:49:39]

Dagmar:

It SHOULD have worked to let mythfilldatabase reimport the channels

[10:50:36]

clever:

ran the frontend till i had the error

[10:50:48]

clever:

and now no sockets are open in the backend

[10:51:16]

clever:

2007-02–04 04:52:33.334 MainServer: HandleRemoteEncoder(cmd GET_STATE) Unknown encoder: 1, exiting

[10:51:16]

clever:

2007-02–04 04:52:33.334 MythSocket: readyread thread exit

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Dagmar:

clever: did you do what kormoc said?

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clever:

yeah i deleted and readded the cap cards

[10:51:56]

AlefBet:

Oh, I think I found the problem.

[10:52:17]

AlefBet:

Apparently I had two lineups listed in my Zap2it account for some reason, and the wrong one was selected by default.

[10:52:35]

Dagmar:

Ah!

[10:58:49]

clever:

brb moving upstairs to run things more localy

[11:01:54]

AlefBet:

Well, it looks like my MythTV woes have been resolved (except for DMA, which is a brand-new-motherboard-without-kernel-modules issue, not a MythTV issue), so thank you everyone and I'm signing off.

[11:02:27]

gbee:

clever: I don't think I've ever known anyone have as much trouble with mythtv as you seem to be having

[11:02:30]

Dagmar:

Thank you for realizing something isn't a Myth issue.

[11:02:31]

Dagmar:

:)

[11:02:36]

clever:

gbee: lol

[11:02:41]

AlefBet:

:P

[11:02:48]

Dagmar:

gbee: You'd almost think he's a Gentoo user

[11:03:01]

clever:

im using a bttv module for my card but its not detecting the card right

[11:03:07]

gbee:

;)

[11:03:21]

clever:

[17179656.948000] bttv0: using: *** UNKNOWN/GENERIC *** [card=0,autodetected]

[11:03:41]

Dagmar:

@!#$!$

[11:03:46]

Dagmar:

So fix that first

[11:03:48]

clever:

but it seems to work for the most part on the composite video

[11:03:59]

clever:

i found a site which listed my card as card14

[11:04:05]

clever:

so i did the modprobe bttv card=14

[11:04:07]

Dagmar:

Yeah and it also might have something to do with your backend screwing up

[11:04:11]

clever:

and it made things worse:P

[11:04:26]

clever:

had to reboot just to get composite1 to work again

[11:04:35]

Dagmar:

So don't use the numbers out of the fortune cookie you got at lunch to configure your card

[11:04:51]

clever:

it was a page on the bttv driver

[11:05:17]

clever:

one of the pages even has a list of every card the driver uses along with images of the cards and a bit of info oneach

[11:05:38]

clever:

and watch tv no longer works now that ive upgraded to source

[11:07:43]

Dagmar:

So in other words, you're steadily moving away from the correct solution in every way possible

[11:07:52]

clever:

lol

[11:08:10]

clever:

upgrading to the source has fixed the database updating for the guide

[11:08:14]

clever:

and made everything else non working

[11:08:20]

Dagmar:

You beginning to see a general theme here of what happens when you ignore our good advice?

[11:08:37]

clever:

what did i ignore?

[11:08:53]

Dagmar:

That's the issue

[11:09:20]

Dagmar:

You're not even noticing when we say things like "you shouldn't have something else sharing the database since you're CPU-constrained by using a lamegrabber card"

[11:09:50]

Dagmar:

Save up some nickels. Build a box *just* for MythTV. Don't use a framegrabber card to do it.

[11:09:50]

clever:

thats just extra load on the system which would cause bad performance

[11:10:08]

clever:

i only have 1 tv input card and i allready have 15 pc's

[11:10:18]

Dagmar:

Yes, and it's also a *conservative* approach which is the approach that WINS when you don't really know what you're doing

[11:11:35]

Dagmar:

We don't lunge straight for -O99 -funrolller-coaster -momgoptimized from the outset. We leave it alone and see if it picks -O2 on it's own and MAYBE we take the -g out and tell it -march=i686 for instance

[11:11:38]

juski:

15 PCs? wow. talk about caring for the environment

[11:11:54]

Dagmar:

Helping global warming, and local warming.

[11:12:02]

clever:

most of the pc's arent on

[11:12:10]

clever:

only 5 are on right now

[11:12:18]

clever:

and only 4 of them need to be on 24/7

[11:12:56]

juski:

all this recycling of old hardware has to stop now. it's just foolish when you consider how much power they consume

[11:13:04]

clever:

and if you wanted to care for the env you would use a single cable box not a cablebox+computer for watching tv

[11:13:28]

clever:

most of my old hardware isnt even pluged in so its not consuming power

[11:13:33]

juski:

I'm doing my bit by not building a cluster from old machines :)

[11:13:47]

hads:

Yeah, I've been replaceing all my old gear with little EPIA boards

[11:13:48]

clever:

lol there not a cluster that share the load

[11:13:53]

clever:

each has its own mostly uniq job

[11:14:16]

clever:

the 133mhz is the main webserver irc services ircd and a large chunk of my php scripts

[11:14:27]

juski:

I mean yeah I'd walk to work if I could, but a 60 mile round trip every day would be too much

[11:14:32]

hads:

Replaced my old beige IPCop box with a WRT54G

[11:14:48]

clever:

i sometimes go on a 1–2 hour walk in the woods

[11:15:00]

clever:

but the snow is too deep and its too damn cold out atm:P

[11:15:27]

clever:

my router is a 199mhz which currently is just doing dhcpd and dns cache

[11:15:52]

clever:

the real router is a hardware one still

[11:17:53]

juski:

you could make a new box to do all those jobs

[11:18:09]

juski:

use cool & quiet or whatever.. job done :)

[11:18:24]

clever:

the php scripts from the 133mhz im slowly shifting into the 1.6ghz which is also the mysql server

[11:18:41]

juski:

though I'm a fine one to talk – my 24/7 powered backend is an athlon 2000xp

[11:18:57]

clever:

the 1.6ghz is also where the mythtv is currently running

[11:19:26]

juski:

soon as I can afford it, it's gonna be upgraded – not for more cpu power but to save energy

[11:19:42]

clever:

fanless cooling?

[11:20:02]

juski:

the amount of actual processing it does I could do that

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juski:

but I don't need it to be quiet up here

[11:20:19]

clever:

my laptop can underclock itself at runtime

[11:20:24]

clever:

so its a 700mhz right now

[11:20:29]

clever:

but it can go as far as 1ghz

[11:20:38]

juski:

wooo as far as that eh

[11:20:40]

clever:

by running at 70% normal speed it saves power

[11:20:55]

clever:

having that in desktops may also be usefull for saving power

[11:21:17]

clever:

my laptop doesnt even need the cooling fan going when 95% idle and 700mhz

[11:21:57]

clever:

but when needed it can be 1ghz and the fan can be going full speed enough to burn any hands that get within an inch of the air vent

[11:22:11]

clever:

ahh

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clever:

no 64bit pc's here at all

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Dagmar:

Something that can preferably do the work of at least three of those five machines.

[11:22:39]

clever:

the 5th box is my laptop

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Dagmar:

I'm slowly but surely faming out all my old machine to other people as firewalls

[11:22:48]

clever:

which needs to be seperate from all the others

[11:22:48]

Dagmar:

s/faming/farming/;

[11:25:13]

** clever goes to get some food while mythfilldatabase runs **

[11:36:15]

juski:

when I first started using mythtv I could have grown my own food while mythfilldatabase ran

[11:41:08]

gbee:

forgotten what I was supposed to be doing, started KDevelop with the intention of fixing a bug I found last night but I don't remember what it was

[11:41:15]

clever:

can mythtv use v4l2?

[11:42:34]

juski:

I've hit a brick wall with the .org re-layout

[11:42:42]

juski:

clever: AFAIK it can

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** clever goes into mythtv-setup and looks **

[11:43:25]

juski:

it'd just say v4l not v4l2

[11:43:37]

clever:

xawtv has stoped working on my input card

[11:43:50]

juski:

maybe that's because mythbackend is using it...

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clever:

but a script i made a while ago which starts mplayer forcing it to use v4l2 still works

[11:44:01]

clever:

mythback/front end arent working

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juski:

hrm my dvbradio export script seems to be broked

[11:47:06]

juski:

hahaha. having the script set to executable might help

[11:48:06]

clever:

;p

[11:48:35]

juski:

some folks at work think I must be some kind of uber-geek because I got mythtv working. how wrong could they be?

[11:48:48]

clever:

my pip script still works

[11:49:27]

clever:

all it does is open mplayer on the tvinput card and stick it in the corner of my tvout screen

[11:49:47]

juski:

whatever floats your boat

[11:49:58]

Dagmar:

Well, literacy is more or less a rarity nowadays

[11:49:58]

clever:

just using it to test that the card still works

[11:50:22]

juski:

if I want to change the times jobs run between in mythtv-setup, will I have to restart the backend or not?

[11:50:28]

clever:

mythtv is refusing to view the card at all now

[11:50:39]

Dagmar:

Man I so very much suck at artistic drawing

[11:51:02]

juski:

Dagmar: what are you after?

[11:51:31]

Dagmar:

juski: I'm just now finally to the point where I have to bite the bullet and start drawing illustrations in that big open space in the middle of my theme.

[11:51:44]

juski:

ah

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Dagmar:

I can more or less mock up the LCARS illustration style, but the things are coming out _plain_ looking.

[11:52:20]

juski:

so maybe like wireframe/vector outline representations of say 'media library' & suchlike

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Dagmar:

I think maybe I need to look at more images. There may be some element I'm missing beyond just three thickness of lines

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Dagmar:

Yeah, I have a CD for "Optical Disks" which is composed of one 3-pixel thick circle, three dashed circles for the inner ring, and some dashed rays

[11:53:36]

juski:

Dagmar: I'd be tempted to give the images a bit of a glow to give the impression of being diffused under perspex

[11:53:39]

Dagmar:

The "Watch TV" image the best I could come up with is a sort of box with a classic CRT shape inside showing lines representing color bars

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juski:

or at least back-lit ;)

[11:53:59]

Dagmar:

Yeah, but it's lcars so they'd be linedraw technical illustrations

[11:54:10]

Dagmar:

They'll compress like mad

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Russ[]:

I have this samsung security monitor, with vcr output of 1.0Vp-p, 75? (vertical), S-Jack Type, CVBS, that puts out 8 channels of video, can I plug that into a tv card and put it through mythtv?

[11:54:26]

clever:

http://clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/mythtv/Screenshot.png/_full_

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juski:

saving space within the image files is futile – they all end up using the same amount of ram

[11:54:39]

clever:

ran mythbackend -v all&mythfrontend -v all&

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clever:

then tryed to watch tv

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juski:

Russ[]: if you use a framegrabber (software encoding) card & don't use mpeg4 you could

[11:55:40]

juski:

Russ[]: is it what they call in the industry a 'multiplexer' ?

[11:56:00]

Russ[]:

I have no clue, I'm not in the industry ;)

[11:56:03]

juski:

i.e. output each camera on the output in turn?

[11:56:36]

juski:

like flicking through them in fast succession?

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Russ[]:

I'm not sure, this is it http://www.samsung.com/Products/Monitors/Colo . . . SMC_150F.asp

[11:57:20]

Russ[]:

I have it networked, and I can stream video across the network with it's web based software

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juski:

Russ[]: that's just the monitor – there's more to it than that

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Russ[]:

should i figure out a way to catch that mpeg2 stream with mythtv

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juski:

the monitor has only 2 video inputs, so there's no way it can do anything fancy like you think

[11:58:03]

Russ[]:

yah wait

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Russ[]:

that's not it

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Russ[]:

http://www.samsung.com/Products/DigitalVideoS . . . ecifications

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Greek-Boy:

With a mythv front-end can I view the liveTV inputs on the backend?

[11:59:42]

Russ[]:

that's the package it has 8 i guess rj-25 (6 pins) camera terminals, the svideo cable that came with it has those connections like you used to use in networking

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juski:

Greek-Boy: you've not read the docs have you? of course you can

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Russ[]:

the ones that have the screw lock on them

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juski:

Russ[]: using mpeg recording for the output of that unit might not be a good idea

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Greek-Boy:

so MythTV is well suited for video distribution over IP

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juski:

Greek-Boy: up to a point, yes

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juski:

only for *local* networks

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Russ[]:

I dunno though it looks like crap though the stream

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gbee:

Greek-Boy: a local network yes

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juski:

Russ[]: www.dedicatedmicros.com – get yourself some *proper* cctv kit!

[12:01:43]

juski:

it's not cheap but hey it pays my wages :)

[12:01:51]

Greek-Boy:

how many front-ends can one possibly have?

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Greek-Boy:

thinking of a Dual Xeon back-end..

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juski:

Greek-Boy: no theoretical limit other than what your network & backend CPU would impose

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hads:

As many as you want

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gbee:

and generally you require a 10Mbit wired connection or a 802.11g upwards wireless

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juski:

also bear in mind that if you want to watch live tv on every frontend at the same time, you'll need one tuner per frontend

[12:03:16]

juski:

even if they're gonna watch the same show

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Greek-Boy:

why do I need a tuner?

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gbee:

because they might not be at any point

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hads:

Hmm. I just updated to trunk to see this fancy new screen when trying to watch livetv with all the tuners busy. It's not working for me yet.

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Russ[]:

but this svideo output, I'm not going to be able to buy a card, and change between all 8 channels huh

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Greek-Boy:

I want to watch the live input coming intot the backend

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juski:

Russ[]: nope

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juski:

Greek-Boy: you might not need a tuner at all, but it depends what you want to do

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Russ[]:

what would I have to do to be able to do that?

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Greek-Boy:

I want to have four inputs going to the back-end

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juski:

mythtv works with firewire from some cable boxes, some IPTV – which is why I say you might not need a tuner card

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juski:

Greek-Boy: four *video* inputs?

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juski:

you still need tuner cards to record video inputs

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Greek-Boy:

and I want all the front-ends to be able to watch any of those inputs live or watch recordings if they want

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Greek-Boy:

if not four inputs, two minimum

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juski:

and not one of them lame 4-input PCI cards either – not with mythtv

[12:05:51]

juski:

Greek-Boy: say you have 2 capture cards – then only 2 frontends can watch live inputs at the same time

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juski:

Russ[]: talk to samsung about making a linux API for their gadget, or write your own ;)

[12:07:16]

Russ[]:

I'm wondering if anyone's done anything with the firmware, and it's just a mpeg stream, im pretty sure it'd be easy to capture it

[12:07:38]

juski:

Russ[]: it's more than likely motionjpeg wrapped up in something propriatary

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Russ[]:

I could be wrong though, i have no idea about any of this stuff

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juski:

I work for a CCTV DVR manufacturer, so I know about this stuff

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gbee:

however several frontends can watch the same livetv but without the capability to change channel etc

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Russ[]:

so with mythtv, I would be able to plug in my direct tv, and change channels on the machine? probable just with cable right

[12:10:00]

juski:

Russ[]: with the right hardware, yes

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gbee:

side benefit of the change to record all livetv in place of the ringbuffer

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hads:

Hmm, trunk appears to insert two entries for a recording for me

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Russ[]:

so is this, what i need to be able to do that through that svideo output on my monitor. http://www.samsung.com/Products/Controllers/M . . . ecifications

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juski:

Russ[]: for regular TV or CCTV ?

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Russ[]:

CCTV

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gbee:

hads: two entries in the watch recordings screen? or two files in the recording dir?

[12:12:03]

juski:

Russ[]: mythtv really isn't suited to doing CCTV to be honest. try Motion or ZoneMinder

[12:12:04]

hads:

Two entries in the watch recordings.

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gbee:

ok, well that isn't right ;)

[12:12:45]

Russ[]:

hey someones made software for what im trying to do

[12:12:47]

gbee:

open a ticket if one doesn't exist for that same issue

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hads:

I was only testing with hitting record in livetv, it appears to change channel when I do that now which it didn't do before. That may have something to do with it.

[12:13:19]

hads:

Just looking at the tickets now

[12:16:05]

Toast:

have any debian users had database problems since the prepackaged myth and mysql installs were recently upgraded?

[12:17:12]

Russ[]:

Motion is just for networked videos right, I want to see about zoneminder right?

[12:18:42]

hads:

Motion can do both local and networked

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hads:

Just testing with a recording scheduled ahead of time rather that hitting record during livetv.

[12:24:24]

** juski wonders whatever happened to 'leafers-wide' **

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Russ[]:

http://www.samsung.com/Products/NetworkSecuri . . . age=Features

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Russ[]:

what about that guy

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juski:

Russ[]: forget all about integrating professional cctv gear into mythtv unless you're going to write some code for it otherwise it's not gonna happen

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Russ[]:

not even with the multiplexer? what keeps the output singnal from being read by a tv card

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piksi:

howdy, i'm interested in hearing of anyone here running their mythtv purely on framebuffer without the unnecessary x-layer in between

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juski:

with a multiplexer you'd have to make sure you only use mjpeg recording

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juski:

piksi: what, to save on oo 100MB disk space?

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juski:

Russ[]: anyway, if you record the output of a multiplexer & play it back in mythtv all you'll see is like a rapid flipbook of all the camera inputs

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piksi:

juski: to save space, memory and run less processes

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Russ[]:

and this zone minder, this seems like what i want here

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piksi:

juski: i'm only interested in it in the case it would be a working solution. but if it becomes hack-a-day mayhem then i'll just happily use x

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juski:

piksi: so don't use a gluttonous window manager

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piksi:

juski: imo x itself is quite a bloat

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juski:

piksi: minimyth is a frontend only distro for epia boards. packed, it's less than 64MB

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juski:

it uses X

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juski:

it unpacks to less than 128MB

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juski:

now say X is bloated again

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piksi:

yes i would say x with all the unnecessary driver+default app is quite a bloat especially on package based systems where you can't remove the useless parts because of dependencies.

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piksi:

i know about alternatives like minimyth, but they are not what i'm looking for

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juski:

lfs :)

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piksi:

i'm just purely interested if it would be possible to get rid of one useless layer in between

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juski:

getting myth to work on a framebuffer is going to cause you pain. folks do, and they usually have problems

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hads:

Yes, it looks like a bug with hitting record while watching livetv. It records the program, changes channel to the same channel and starts a new recording. Therefore there is two entries in watch recordings. Also, they don't show as currently recording.

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** hads is off to file a ticket **

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** juski makes a note to remember not to use svn for a while... **

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Russ[]:

juski: I would need a card like this? http://www.ituner.com/spectra.htm The output/input from my CCTV monitor is is svideo to a 2 single 4 BNC terminals (rs-4?) one for video in and out

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roam:

how does mythtv decide on what channel it scans for EIT events?

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juski:

Russ[]: possibly. definitely not for mythtv though

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roam:

It leaves out some channels, even though "useonairguide" is 1

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hads:

Mythweb in trunk looks good

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Russ[]:

Yes im beginning to get why, I like this zone minder

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Russ[]:

but it cant do what motion can right.

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Russ[]:

this documentation for zoneminder is bad.

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Russ[]:

that card is takes connection from 4 cameras with a 4 bnc connector? it doesn't have a way on interprating the cctv signal?

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juski:

Russ[]: zoneminder isn't for integrating with other CCTV systems – it's a CCTV system in its own right

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Dagmar:

Final layout... http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/evildagmar/foo-1.png No graphics in there yet (gonna take some werk)

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juski:

spiffy :)

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juski:

you've remembered the overscan thing too

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rsdvd:

Dogmar – that is going to be a fantastic theme – I know onw trekkie who will be over the moon

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juski:

rsdvd: now got a webpage for neon-wide :)

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rsdvd:

:-) you have been busy

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Dagmar:

juski: yeah, I'm going to throw overscan out the window for the widescreen version

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Dagmar:

Or at least I'm only going to worry about one of the area zones.

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Dagmar:

I don't think it looks so good with the elbos going beyond the apparent text area

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rsdvd:

juski – neon-wide is looking rather good too :-) does it suffer the same memory issues as blootube

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juski:

rsdvd: I don't intend it to

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rsdvd:

:-)

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Dagmar:

...*and* to add insult to injury, I've checked all three of my nVidia cards, and my TV shows pretty much *all* of the image on them

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rsdvd:

juski ; some of our images don;t show in your neon-wide webpage

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juski:

fixed

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rsdvd:

better ;-)

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juski:

there's even a watermark for capture cards in mythtv-setup

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juski:

what I've done to optimise this theme, I should do to my others too

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rsdvd:

does mythtv-setup use the same themes?

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juski:

uses whichever theme you've set mythfrontend to use

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Dagmar:

Uh oh. Hehe

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rsdvd:

I have never noticed :-)

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juski:

anyone know if you can have a setup-ui.xml or something to theme the setup menus?

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juski:

next I just have to decide what the hell to do with mythmusic this time

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Dagmar:

Just put up an image of "Corporate Rock Sucks"

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gbee:

juski: if it helps, I really liked what .. err, umm, thingybob did with mythmusic

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gbee:

s/thingybob/name of that little animated guy theme/

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juski:

yeah I was thinking about going down that road

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juski:

mepo-wide

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juski:

first time I've seen mythmusic actually make sense

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juski:

might have to (cough) 'borrow' his music-ui.xml file :)

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gardengnome:

re

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sebrock:

juski, you left on me yesterday :D I had the problem that mythtv-setup cant open my card

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sebrock:

I've tried to change permissions on /dev/video0 to no avail

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juski:

sebrock: I know

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sebrock:

so Im still clueless

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juski:

you're obviously doing stuff you're not supposed to do in your right mind

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sebrock:

heh?

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juski:

I'll wait til you've got a clue

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Dagmar:

I told him that last night and he called me names, so... he's in my ignore list now.

[13:38:53]

Dagmar:

It's much nicer without the loons cluttering up the place.

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sebrock:

I figure, what exactly did I call you? I cant remember calling you anything but thanking for your help

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juski:

how hard is it to make a new user, then make that user a member of the right groups? I mean...

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gardengnome:

ah, that guy

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Dagmar:

It's an outright bitch when you've never bothered to actually learn linux.

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sebrock:

juski, the mythtvi user is part of the video group

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** gardengnome never bothered **

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Dagmar:

How people can screw it up with Gnome's GUI tools, I have no explanation for.

[13:40:25]

gardengnome:

but there's "linux in a nutshell" sitting on my desk so i can look stuff up ;)

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juski:

Dagmar: the mythtv packages help

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juski:

on ubuntu they'll help you screw things up

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sebrock:

see, Dagmar thats the attitude a "helping-channel" do not need

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juski:

make a user called mythtv before starting the install – I did that once. whoops

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sebrock:

I admit me being a newbie, thats why I ask the pros for the help

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Dagmar:

That's actually kinda sad.

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gardengnome:

sebrock: it's an attitude that helps to protect the helping channel from getting destroyed...

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Dagmar:

The packages I make will create the necessary role accounts when you ionstall them.

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sebrock:

gardengnome, calling people stupid because the lack of knowhow in linux/mythtv on a helping-out-channel is just sad

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juski:

the ubunut ones do aswell but I ran into problems when the mythtv user already existed. can't remember whose packages they were, but I had hassle

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sebrock:

But there no denying the fact that prousers of linux like to mess around with newbies whenever they feel like it...

[13:43:39]

gardengnome:

sebrock: who's actually said this is a helping channel? ;)

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juski:

from the point I was at it was nothing just to reinstall the damn thing rather than waste time trying to fix it

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sebrock:

gardengnome, the topic for one

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sebrock:

juski thats where I am now :d

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juski:

where a lot of noobs go wrong is they start stabbing at solutions & getting in a big ole mess

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gardengnome:

sebrock: if you lack knowledge of linux, this is not the place to be. you know, we can't solve all problems related to mythtv. it's an enormously complex piece of software because of its dependencies. you've got to them right as well

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juski:

chmodding left right & centre & so on

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Dagmar:

juski: Weird. At least with Slackware using tar format I have the excuse that if the uid exists but is a different number, I'm boned until I write a little more code, but .deb format doesn't have that excuse

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juski:

anyway I'm in a position now where I just build mythtv myself & I'm happy

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sebrock:

gardengnome, not asking to solve all my problems...

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Dagmar:

Where a lot more newbs go wrong is by telling people they're acting "high & mighty" and accusing them of abusing newbs when they're told to stop doing something self-destructive

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sebrock:

juski, so any ideas what to do with the mythtv user?

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gardengnome:

sebrock: and complaining about the lack of support... people in here do it for free, you didn't pay so don't expect anything. most geeks want interesting problems and not the same boring questions about general, well-documented linux usage.

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juski:

I get that a lot. I do consider my attitude a little offish most of the time but what do folks want for free? a blowjob as well?

[13:46:27]

gardengnome:

sebrock: dunno how my rants applies to your situation, though.

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Dagmar:

juski: Well, they're best when theyre free but I don't exactly want one from *you*. No offense intended.

[13:46:59]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: just close your eyes.

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Dagmar:

euw

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juski:

lol

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** gardengnome runs **

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sebrock:

gardengnome, sorry you completely miss my point, I am happy for all the help I can get, which I also thank poeple for. It's just when they feel like being patronizing I feel it sucks

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gbee:

sebrock: most people aren't being deliberately patronizing, we've no idea what you do and don't know and it usually saves a lot of time to start with the basics

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gardengnome:

sebrock: you saying stuff like "you left on me yesterday :D" doesn't help your cause, although you might have meant it in a playful way. and you should never say stuff like that to juski because he can get really angry ;)

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sebrock:

gbee, what (in a chappelle style)

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sebrock:

gardengnome, see thats wjhy I put the smily on :D

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Dagmar:

Sounds like the same nonsense from yesterday

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gbee:

strangely enough, most people asking for help in here have never read the documentation, searched google or even gone through the settings

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Dagmar:

Whines about a problem in a vague way, but refuses to answer specific questions about it

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Dagmar:

"my menus are missing" "what specific menu items" "you're abusing me!"

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sebrock:

gbee, I did spend some hours googling and trying to get mythtv-setup to open my card yesterday to no avail

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Dagmar:

pfft

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gbee:

so when we say "go read the documentation", "buy a book on linux" or "use google" it usually is the right answer for the majority of questions here

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gardengnome:

wonder how much time we could spend supporting people if we didn't waste it on meta-discussions about user spport. ;)

[13:54:55]

sebrock:

Dagmar, if you are referring to me, which I know you do, check your logs and you will see that I very clearly stated what was missing more than a few times... oh can't bother with that anymore

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sebrock:

gardengnome, well said

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gardengnome:

now we don't have to tell people to RTFM, we have to tell them *why* we told them. ;)

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gbee:

sebrock: you won't like it and I'm not telling you to go away, but if mythtv-setup can't open the card then it's not a problem with mythtv

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gardengnome:

sebrock: but remember, both parties are to blame :>

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Dagmar:

No, no they're not.

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Dagmar:

If you're working the system right, one of those parties is no longer in the channel. :)

[13:55:56]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: they are. the supporters could just say "RTFM, STFU" instead of just "RTFM".

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sebrock:

gbee, I know, I think it narrows down to permissions in the end, but all I tried did not work

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: i don't have op status. ;)

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Dagmar:

BLeh. I never say RTFM. I'm a lot more specific about which freakin' documentation they need to read, for one thing

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Dagmar:

gardengnome: You do know that if you make someone mad enough there's a good chance they'll be unable to type properly, or just have a stroke and be unable to type at all, right?

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sebrock:

somebody should rule the world, seems like he got an answer to everything ;>

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gbee:

sebrock: I wasn't here (or paying much attention) last night, so apologies if I'm repeating what has already been said or tried – but have you changed permissions on the device to 777 to see if that helps?

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: it was just an example. RTFM without any specific yelling doesn't help anyone

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sebrock:

gbee, I've changed it to 666

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sebrock:

can try 777 now

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Dagmar:

"without any specific yelling"... hehehe

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hardnova:

back again ... sheeze uplink issues

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sebrock:

ok, maybe I got around on the wrong end. I apologize for that, NOW: lets all be friends again :D

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gbee:

although I doubt 777 is needed, I find it's the quickest route to eliminating permissions as the root cause of a problem

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sebrock:

gbee, I'll check

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: yelling at people actually helps. raising your voice will make your argument easier to understand, i've found. ;)

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juski:

root cause.. nice pun there

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gbee:

;)

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Dagmar:

gardengnome: Oh, you mean like one does with foriegners?

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Dagmar:

root is not the cause, root is the solution. ;)

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: yes, and gesturing a lot

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Dagmar:

gardengnome: I'm sure it doesn't work with my girlfriend. I can yell, I can whisper, nothing but locking her out of the house and turning off my cell seems to work.

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: BTW, i decided to play quake 4 yesterday instead of playing with minimyth. maybe i'll get around to fix my netboot issues later today ;)

[14:01:13]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: that's a great way to avoid conflicts. unless it's her house as well

[14:01:23]

Dagmar:

gardengnome: Been there, done that... not again

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hardnova:

uae mythgame anyone done it ?

[14:01:49]

juski:

damn these graphics are shiny

[14:02:31]

Dagmar:

Ooo I love beef jerky

[14:02:37]

Dagmar:

Have some in my desk leftover from last week. :)

[14:02:55]

juski:

hehe I tried that the other week for the 1st time. very (VERY) moorish

[14:02:59]

Dagmar:

Made with real ostritch

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but it's spicy and compact, and very much not prone to going bad just because you lost it in a desk drawer for a month

[14:03:58]

Dagmar:

Generally very low in fats, too

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juski:

what the hell?! mepo-wide's music-ui.xml is 45KB !

[14:04:51]

Dagmar:

It's the comments where he begs the TiVo corporation to not sue him crosseyed

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gbee:

err, doesn't sound right

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juski:

45,955 bytes

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clever:

finaly got the source compiled version going

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clever:

dont know what i did to fix it

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clever:

all i realy did was change the ip's from loopback to eth0's ip

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Dagmar:

tell me you're not running firewalling on the localhost interface

[14:10:17]

Dagmar:

juski: It's because he apparently spazzed and put the same jillion-and-one font definition into each stanza

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clever:

hardware router:P

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Dagmar:

Six colors, four different sizes

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clever:

ports for myth are closed:)

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clever:

guide seems acurate too

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Dagmar:

Actually I was referring to using in-kernel firewalling

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clever:

just need to get channel changing fixed now

[14:12:24]

clever:

ahh

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clever:

iptables is wide open atm

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gbee:

juski: just so you know I was unable to push responsibility for the image vs checkbox decision onto someone else

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clever:

and its a private lan

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Dagmar:

One of the most prolific sources of insane problems are the people who run say, FWBuilder or Firestarter and don't have the sense to know to not apply firewall rules to the lo interface (and the docs for those don't mention it either)

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gbee:

which because I don't really want to be extending ui widgets probably means I'll use checkboxes

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clever:

i mainly build my iptables rules by hand

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gbee:

but I'll know better when I come to the point of reviewing and applying the patch, I may yet see another, better, way to do the same thing

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sebrock:

gbee, didnt work but I may be on to something else I've found

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gbee:

good luck

[14:15:37]

clever:

is it posible when watching 'livetv' to hit a button and record a short bit of it?

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Dagmar:

No. It'll be recording it no matter what

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Dagmar:

You dont' get to "just" watch TV.

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clever:

yeah but how would i save that clip long term?

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gbee:

you can record the whole programme, or not at all

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clever:

its playing some small i think 3min buffer atm

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clever:

as it records into it

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Dagmar:

Flip over to the watch recordings menu and make it show you liveTV recordings, and then punt it into some other category and/or turn off auto-expire on it

[14:16:41]

clever:

i was just thinking if something i want to save comes up i rewind the 'livetv' a bit and rec it

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Dagmar:

clever: No, the ringbuffer is long gone

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gbee:

i.e. while watching livetv, you hit record, the whole programme (from the point you started watching) will be saved

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clever:

i mean just save a 30 sec clip of it that has allready aired

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Dagmar:

...and then you can use the commflag editor on it

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gbee:

you can edit it afterwards, but you can't record just a section of it

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clever:

:(

[14:18:00]

clever:

could still rewind/pause/fire up the vcr/resume

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clever:

:P

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Dagmar:

clever: Starting to see why we like PVR cards? It makes "record bloody everything" policies easier to implement

[14:18:25]

clever:

lo

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clever:

l

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gbee:

might be possible in future when writing to multiple files is supported – but I wouldn't hold you breath for that

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clever:

im allready low on disc space to begin with:P

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Dagmar:

The number of times someone might want to pull out a snippet is small enough I doubt anyone's going to bother

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clever:

for example if a funny comercial comes up

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Dagmar:

clever: I think perhaps it's too late to claim you never saw those warnings saying MythTV will eat up your disk space like candy, either.

[14:19:10]

clever:

i could rewind and hit rec/save

[14:19:22]

clever:

lol i never saw those warnings:P

[14:19:39]

clever:

but its eating less now that ive upgraded

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clever:

with the old version it ate a gig in 30mins just watching tv without it 'set' to record

[14:20:13]

Dagmar:

Yep. It'll do that

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gbee:

clever: mythtv really isn't designed for use on a system without a large dedicated space (usually a whole disk, or partition) for recordings

[14:20:25]

Dagmar:

clever: It *needs* dedicated space

[14:20:28]

clever:

i have 4gig free atm

[14:20:37]

clever:

on the root partition

[14:20:42]

Dagmar:

It will free up space by deleting liveTV recordings the moment it needs some space

[14:20:43]

clever:

about 20 on the usb drive

[14:20:56]

Dagmar:

...but if you're expecting to be able to download porno into that space or something, forge tit.

[14:21:01]

clever:

Dagmar: the old version freed the 1gig ring buf when i exited

[14:21:07]

clever:

i dont save porno:P

[14:21:10]

Dagmar:

Again, the ringbuffer is gone, gone, gone.

[14:21:15]

clever:

and im mainly downloading anime

[14:21:36]

clever:

first 10 episodes of a new show done:D

[14:21:43]

Dagmar:

clever: I'm using "porno" in the generic "video of exceptional interest" sense

[14:21:49]

clever:

can mythtv play selected avi files?

[14:21:54]

Dagmar:

Yep.

[14:22:02]

Dagmar:

MythVideo can play anything MPlayer can

[14:22:04]

clever:

where in the menu would i go to pick one?

[14:22:11]

clever:

to say use mplayer on x

[14:22:18]

Dagmar:

You would use MythVideo

[14:22:30]

clever:

i think ive got that plugin installed

[14:22:37]

gbee:

more even – if you're running a production version of mplayer

[14:22:49]

Greek-Boy:

is there a compatible capture card that has multiple inputs? eg, 2 or 4 video and audio inputs?

[14:22:49]

Dagmar:

Meaning you would have the MythVideo plugin installed and then you would go into the setup for it and it would scan the directory you told it you stash your videos in

[14:22:49]

clever:

i see a medialibrary option

[14:23:05]

Dagmar:

Greekboy: Hauppauge PVR-500

[14:23:11]

clever:

i have mplayer but its not in a place mythtv can access it from

[14:23:14]

QuesarVII:

greek – I know there are some bt878 based cards with multiple inputs too

[14:23:24]

Dagmar:

clever: Then you're going to be stuck with whatever the interal player can handle

[14:23:24]

clever:

i installed it with root at /home/clever/mplayer

[14:23:27]

gbee:

clever: you don't need mplayer, that's the point

[14:23:33]

clever:

ahh:)

[14:23:53]

** clever looks to give it a path **

[14:24:11]

QuesarVII:

I'm having a problem with myth hanging when changing channels in live tv mode

[14:24:15]

gbee:

the internal player, particularly in more recent versions of mythtv can handle most everything mplayer can

[14:24:17]

QuesarVII:

it seems to be a problem with lirc

[14:24:21]

clever:

do i tell mythvideo the path under mythtv-setup or the frontend setup?

[14:24:30]

Dagmar:

frontend setup

[14:24:39]

QuesarVII:

i used to use a serial cable to my dct2000 to change channels, but comcast disabled it recently, and I'm still fighting to reenable it

[14:24:39]

gbee:

frontend

[14:24:46]

Dagmar:

Once you've gotten as far as being able to watch TV you pretty much never need to run mythtv-setup again.

[14:24:49]

clever:

changing back

[14:24:53]

clever:

QuesarVII: how did you get that going?

[14:25:02]

clever:

i dont even have the programs on the pc end yet

[14:25:04]

QuesarVII:

so I changed to using the ir transmitter instead of the serial cable, and now frontend hangs when changing channels

[14:25:11]

clever:

all the links ive tryed are dead

[14:25:25]

Dagmar:

QuesarVII: Which market?

[14:25:33]

QuesarVII:

massachusetts

[14:25:36]

Greek-Boy:

Thanks Dagmar and QuesarVII

[14:25:37]

Dagmar:

Thanks.

[14:25:40]

clever:

QuesarVII: where did you get the program to change the channel on the dct2000?

[14:25:41]

QuesarVII:

near the rhode island border

[14:25:51]

QuesarVII:

its in the contrib directory of mythtv itself

[14:25:52]

Greek-Boy:

isn't there an open source solution for hotels?

[14:26:00]

Dagmar:

I'm keeping a list of examples of Comcast interfering with consumer choice in order to make their in-house offerings more appealing.

[14:26:02]

clever:

ahh:) i'll have to check

[14:26:37]

sebrock:

XMLTV is not included in the mythtv-suite is it?

[14:26:38]

QuesarVII:

that's exactly what it sounds like to me. the port always worked fine, and now they're giving me some shpeel about it not being supported

[14:26:47]

Dagmar:

I expect that sooner or later they'll get around to trying to propose another SuperDMCA and I don't intend to play fair if they do.

[14:27:16]

Dagmar:

QuesarVII: Yeah, there's a big difference between being "unsupported" and "deliberately disabled with an otherwise featureless firmware update"

[14:27:25]

QuesarVII:

sebrock – for people in the US, you shouldn't need xmltv anymore

[14:27:29]

Dagmar:

Probably 99% of the users don't even know there's a serial port there.

[14:27:30]

QuesarVII:

use datadirect instead

[14:27:38]

sebrock:

QuesarVII, Im from sweden

[14:27:48]

QuesarVII:

ah, that's different then

[14:27:50]

sebrock:

QuesarVII, so thats my option I guess

[14:27:57]

Dagmar:

They're likelt just doing it to screw with people who own a PVR that isn't provided by them for a monthly fee

[14:27:58]

QuesarVII:

you'll need to add xmltv then, it doesn't come with it

[14:28:05]

sebrock:

ok tnx

[14:28:17]

QuesarVII:

i accused them of that on the phone, and they just said "we're sorry you feel that way"

[14:28:19]

Dagmar:

...but at least they're not trying to declare us felons again, yet.

[14:28:49]

clever:

found the dct2000 tar:D

[14:29:21]

Dagmar:

QuesarVII: Basically customer support people are never going to be able to tell you anything useful other than whether or not the cable guy is actually showing up today. I generally don't bother with them.

[14:29:24]

QuesarVII:

what do you mean "declare us felons"?

[14:29:33]

Dagmar:

QuesarVII: You didn't hear about the SuperDMCA stuff then?

[14:29:46]

QuesarVII:

I talked with the supervisor yesterday

[14:29:54]

Greek-Boy:

wow the Hauppauge PVR-500 surely looks good

[14:29:56]

clever:

ive tryed atleast 5 times to get the tvinput on my dct2000 line box enabled

[14:30:09]

clever:

the firmware doesnt support it and they never have it fixed

[14:30:13]

Greek-Boy:

but it doesn't encode

[14:30:14]

QuesarVII:

he's going to talk to an engineer tomorrow. and hopefully will get the port reenabled...

[14:30:25]

QuesarVII:

the firmware DOES support it though!

[14:30:33]

QuesarVII:

it worked fine for the last few years

[14:30:37]

QuesarVII:

they just broke it

[14:30:49]

clever:

lol

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Dagmar:

QuesarVII: It was I think the year before last, a special interest firm managed to get a *number* of states to put on their dockets a bill that was referred to as the "Super DMCA" which purported to prevent cable theft, but mainly made it a felony for you to do for yourself anything a "service provider" offered as a service.

[14:31:09]

clever:

i have yet to get the com port to respond to anything

[14:31:31]

QuesarVII:

wow... that's ridiculous!

[14:31:47]

QuesarVII:

I don't want their service....

[14:31:49]

Dagmar:

So like, my firewall here... Felony. Comcast has a firewall/router home service they were just about to roll out when the TN congress was looking at the bill

[14:31:58]

QuesarVII:

can their dvr box store 750 hours of recordings?

[14:31:59]

Dagmar:

My PVR, definitely a felony now that Comcast has a PVR service.

[14:32:08]

QuesarVII:

can it play my dvds? browse the web?

[14:32:17]

Dagmar:

My switch would also be a felony, since it allows me to hook more than one PC up to the connectiopn...

[14:32:28]

QuesarVII:

as soon as they provide all of those features, then i'll consider it an equivalent product

[14:32:37]

Dagmar:

...and it would be an extra special class D felony since there were more than five pieces of equipment involved.

[14:32:49]

QuesarVII:

i didn't even think of that part!

[14:33:18]

Dagmar:

Yeah, well, when you're looking at a potential eight years in the pokey, it makes you get up out of the house and cuss out some senators to their faces.

[14:33:19]

Dagmar:

Heheh

[14:33:22]

QuesarVII:

They'd slap me hard with that too – 1 pc/server acting as a router, 3 other comps, and a wireless router behind the main server too!

[14:34:16]

QuesarVII:

so does anyone have an idea on how to fix my hanging problem?

[14:34:27]

clever:

i have 6 computers on my lan counting the myth box

[14:34:31]

Dagmar:

Try using irsend all by itself

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QuesarVII:

it only started when switching to ir transmission instead of serial port connection

[14:34:34]

clever:

would that be a class z felony?:P

[14:34:39]

Dagmar:

See if it actually completes a transmission

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clever:

wait 7 on the lan

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clever:

class zz felony:P

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QuesarVII:

it does complete the transmission – the channel is changed, but the frontend never shows the new channel

[14:35:28]

Greek-Boy:

Dagmar isn't there a card with multiple inputs that can do the processing?

[14:35:29]

QuesarVII:

if i kill the frontend and restart it and go back to live tv, it is on the channel i tried changing to

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Dagmar:

clever: One piece of equipment would have been a class E felony under the law as proposed here. Five pieces of equipment or more involved (not really specifying how one determines "involved", so the ISP's mailserver could easily be "involved")...

[14:35:43]

Dagmar:

...would have been a class D felony.

[14:35:56]

Dagmar:

Greek-Boy: The Hauppauge PVR-500

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clever:

lol

[14:36:12]

clever:

would a 133mhz be considered myth frontend able?

[14:36:21]

Dagmar:

No.

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QuesarVII:

clever – doubtful

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clever:

or does the court even care about that?:P

[14:36:41]

clever:

would they lock me up because i had 5 50mhz's online when they came to visit?:P

[14:36:44]

QuesarVII:

clever – maybe with one of the pvr cards that does mpeg decoding for you, but even that is a stretch

[14:36:51]

Milosch:

Greek-Boy: who said it doesn't encode?

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juski:

gbee: that mythmusic patch was accepted? ahhh no

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juski:

I know who to blame anyway.. the owner of the patch

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Greek-Boy:

Dagmar oh, i was wondering because it needs 1.2ghz CPU and i was hoping to use two of them because I need 4 inputs on my back-end

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Dagmar:

Greek-Boy: I don't really know why they're saying 1.2ghz CPU to be honest. It would work on a 750Mhz CPU but it might be tricky to have the disk on something that old keep up

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Milosch:

juski: what patch?

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QuesarVII:

dagmar – I found info on how to reenable the serial port

[14:38:13]

Dagmar:

Greek-Boy: If you've got at least 2Ghz you should be fine for that setup wihtout much problem

[14:38:27]

juski:

Milosch: nothing spectacular. quite craptacular if you look at it from the 'breaks lots of themes' point of view

[14:38:28]

Dagmar:

Basically anything that can handle UDMA100 disks

[14:38:34]

Milosch:

ah

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QuesarVII:

comcast needs to send a "app_if enable" signal to my box to turn the port back on. now it's just a matter of finding someone with enough of a clue to actually do it. the last guy i talked to said "that's not one of the signals I have listed here" and couldn't do it

[14:39:08]

Milosch:

juski: not sure if it's part of it, but showing more of the number actions might be helpful

[14:39:29]

juski:

gbee: it'd be far better to hard code the button type rather than to do that

[14:39:45]

Milosch:

i stumbled into the blank screen button recently

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Dagmar:

QuesarVII: well, it sounds like you're talking to their internal engineers now. Be nice to them and you might be able to find the person who turned it off... who will certainly be able to flip them back on. It's not like you could even POSSIBLY pirate a video signal out of that port or something

[14:40:04]

clever:

FINALY

[14:40:11]

clever:

mythtv got mplayer going:)

[14:40:16]

juski:

then at least the code would be able to ignore the tag it doesn't want – thereby maintaining backwards theme compatibility

[14:40:34]

juski:

I should have put my coding hat on

[14:41:02]

clever:

bbl watching new anime:)

[14:41:10]

juski:

I could still do that of course. out-patch the patch ;)

[14:42:11]

QuesarVII:

it also makes the front end hang

[14:42:29]

Toast:

Hi all, does anyone here use a mediamvp as a frontend?

[14:42:37]

juski:

QuesarVII: oops. that shouldn't happen

[14:42:42]

QuesarVII:

I use a serial port transceiver, so my receiver is on the same port as my transmitter. i think that's the problem

[14:43:18]

QuesarVII:

it seems like lirc is screwing up the receiving portion when using the sending portion

[14:43:26]

Dagmar:

QuesarVII: Okay, so did you try using JUST irsend? As in don't have the frontend running and invoke it

[14:43:38]

QuesarVII:

that works fine

[14:43:52]

Dagmar:

Did you have lircd running then tho?

[14:43:56]

QuesarVII:

even the way I just did it does change the channel, it's just the front end hangs up

[14:44:00]

QuesarVII:

yes

[14:44:23]

QuesarVII:

if I leave the front end for 10–15 minutes, it comes back to life too

[14:44:29]

Dagmar:

Well, other people use transcievers, so it's not something that should be a problem

[14:45:37]

QuesarVII:

this is how i used to do it years ago, before finding the serial cable method and learning it was more accurate and reliable

[14:46:51]

QuesarVII:

i left it alone and it just came back now

[14:47:02]

QuesarVII:

so sometimes its less than 10–15 mins too I guess

[14:47:04]

juski:

pity more boxes didn't have web servers in them – then you'd be able to use a http request ;)

[14:47:43]

juski:

dbox2 / dreambox et al :)

[14:48:34]

QuesarVII:

the thing that made me the MOST mad dealing with comcast was they told me that if it worked before, I was "fortunate". I told them I don't consider having a port on my box actually work "fortunate" when I'm paying them over $100 a month total.

[14:49:20]

QuesarVII:

they have an attitude of "you're lucky we'll give you service" instead of "we're lucky you chose us" like they should!

[14:49:47]

juski:

that's cable companies the world over

[14:49:48]

tank-man:

so drop em

[14:49:50]

juski:

and satellite

[14:50:06]

QuesarVII:

that's what I'll be doing if they don't resolve the problem

[14:50:24]

QuesarVII:

I'd rather not stick a dish on my house if I can avoid it

[14:55:58]

tank-man:

why?

[14:56:50]

QuesarVII:

personal preference I guess

[14:57:01]

QuesarVII:

I also have comcast internet

[14:57:29]

QuesarVII:

and there's no way I'm switching to dsl, so I'm still stuck with comcast for that until fios comes around here

[14:58:10]

QuesarVII:

once fios comes around, I'll be all set and can switch from comcast completely, probably getting a package deal at that point too

[14:58:58]

bma:

fios really isn't that much better when it comes to their STBs

[14:59:13]

QuesarVII:

stb's? what's that mean?

[14:59:35]

QuesarVII:

Ah

[14:59:50]

QuesarVII:

What kinds of problems are people having with those?

[15:00:32]

bma:

QuesarVII: just that they'll do stuff like disable firewire ports or whatever just like the cable companies do.

[15:00:47]

QuesarVII:

ah. that sucks

[15:00:58]

hardnova:

anyone farmilur with the uae comand line options and syntax ?

[15:01:02]

QuesarVII:

at least with firewire, you have a fcc ruling on that they HAVE to follow

[15:01:30]

bma:

yea.

[15:02:59]

QuesarVII:

have you heard about the new law in progress that will require cable companies let you use your own purchased box?

[15:03:13]

QuesarVII:

that should change things significantly if it goes through

[15:03:24]

clever:

one of the dct2000 boxes here we own

[15:03:33]

clever:

seemed better then renting 3 at once

[15:04:03]

QuesarVII:

as far as I know with the law though, they must support whatever box you want to use since they are essentially standard at this point

[15:04:30]

clever:

enless i have custom firmware in it?:P

[15:05:17]

rsdvd:

gardengnome : are you around?

[15:05:18]

QuesarVII:

i'm not sure. i'd need to read up more on the law first.

[15:05:36]

clever:

i dont know much about the laws and dont have a way to get custom firmware into the box

[15:05:49]

clever:

dont even know what cpu it has

[15:06:28]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: yes.

[15:06:39]

Dagmar:

QuesarVII: THat stuff applies to the upcoming CableCard standards.

[15:06:45]

QuesarVII:

I bet it's a motorola cpu!

[15:06:59]

clever:

its a motorola box

[15:07:07]

clever:

but what instruction set does it handle?

[15:07:07]

Dagmar:

This is why you're probably seeing a few HDTV's for sale with the curious "looks like a PCMCIA slot" slots in them.

[15:07:08]

rsdvd:

hi there – I was wondering what you did to 'nearly' get a normal minimyth running on the S100 – I was going to give it anther try

[15:07:15]

QuesarVII:

probably a simple mips of something

[15:07:20]

Dagmar:

Note that these slots are *not* PCMCIA compatible, so don't expect to stick them in a notebook.

[15:08:26]

** clever goes off for a shower **

[15:08:29]

QuesarVII:

yeah, they just used the same connector as pcmcia to be able to use a standard

[15:08:45]

QuesarVII:

clever – great. I could smell you from here! ;)

[15:08:51]

clever:

lol

[15:08:52]

QuesarVII:

sorry.... just had to

[15:08:58]

clever:

yeah my dad complains about the smell too:PO

[15:09:12]

clever:

he cant get within 2–3 feet or me without complaining

[15:09:13]

Dagmar:

SOAP.

[15:09:18]

Dagmar:

It's not just a network protocol anymore.

[15:09:20]

clever:

whats soap?

[15:09:25]

clever:

lol

[15:10:01]

Dagmar:

It's that stuff you put on screws to make it easier to put them into wood.

[15:10:30]

clever:

lol

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Dagmar:

Or at least, if you have any sense you soap your screws.

[15:11:07]

sebrock:

when I run mythfilldatabase --manual the XMLTV setup keeps repeating itself over and over again

[15:11:13]

hardnova:

Oil + NAOH or KOH

[15:11:31]

clever:

-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 1.4G Feb 4 08:24 /var/lib/mythtv/1002_20070204080726.nuv

[15:11:34]

clever:

whats that file for?

[15:11:37]

Dagmar:

Often used in conjunction with deadly di-hydrogen oxiede.

[15:11:49]

Dagmar:

clever: That's a recording in nipplevideo format.

[15:11:54]

hardnova:

water lol

[15:12:02]

clever:

and why are there several leftover after watching tv?

[15:12:16]

Dagmar:

clever: They're the liveTv recordings.

[15:12:28]

clever:

does the prog clean them up on its own any?

[15:12:31]

Dagmar:

Yes.

[15:12:36]

clever:

when?

[15:12:45]

sebrock:

anyone knows why?

[15:13:09]

juski:

Dagmar: did you know about the <header> <footer> and <body> background image elements?

[15:13:11]

Dagmar:

They're considered expired within 24 hours, and are deleted opportunistically (i.e., the moment the myth box thinks it might need more space) after that

[15:13:20]

clever:

ahh:)

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: it was juski who "nearly" got minimyth to boot on the s100.

[15:13:21]

Dagmar:

juski: The what elements where?

[15:13:23]

juski:

oops header, footer, panel etc...

[15:13:28]

clever:

whats the min space it lets the pc have?

[15:13:28]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: i haven't even tried it on the s100

[15:13:32]

Dagmar:

juski: That would be a "no, I didn't know of these"

[15:13:38]

QuesarVII:

clever – you can set it in the setup

[15:13:51]

rsdvd:

Oh sorry – I thought I read in the logs you had 'nearly ' done it

[15:13:55]

sebrock:

juski, do you know why this keeps repeating itself: mythfilldatabase --manual for me (adding XMLTV info)?

[15:14:02]

Dagmar:

juski: I don't see "header" showing up as anything but comments in 0.20-fixes

[15:14:06]

clever:

which area of the setup QuesarVII ?

[15:14:09]

QuesarVII:

it's best to just use a dedicated partition for myth though

[15:14:14]

juski:

Dagmar: http://www.pastebin.ca/340087

[15:14:24]

QuesarVII:

clever – i'll have to check, i don't recall

[15:14:31]

gardengnome:

sebrock: AFAIK that happens because mfdb grabs in several steps. don't worry, just keep hitting return ;)

[15:14:31]

sebrock:

it downloades listings and then it starts over

[15:14:46]

juski:

it's how mepo-wide has all those neat little compartments on top of the background but not part of it

[15:14:46]

sebrock:

gardengnome, for how long? been doing it for a while now :d

[15:15:03]

juski:

not in the background bitmap I mean

[15:15:06]

Dagmar:

juski: That looks like those aren't fixed names. Lemme look at this code. He probably figured out something by looking at it, thusly so can I with a little luck

[15:15:07]

gardengnome:

sebrock: you'll get one iteration for every day.

[15:15:17]

juski:

Dagmar: you could use that

[15:15:24]

sebrock:

aha! what is the defualt listing value?

[15:15:25]

Dagmar:

It may be that it just draws a whole pile of whatever as long as it's attached to the background definition

[15:15:30]

sebrock:

A week?

[15:15:48]

sebrock:

finished :D

[15:15:53]

juski:

well I'm using mepo-wide's header tag now & it works fine on 0.20-fixes

[15:16:03]

juski:

most illuminating

[15:16:05]

sebrock:

btw, gardengnome , this will be automatic in the future I guess?

[15:16:07]

QuesarVII:

clever – from within myth itself (not myth-setup), go to setup, tv settings, general.

[15:16:23]

juski:

that guy knew more about theming than the existing themers by the look of things

[15:16:28]

clever:

QuesarVII: /me looks

[15:16:29]

QuesarVII:

on the 2nd screen, you'll see extra disk space (in gigabytes)

[15:16:41]

juski:

must document this one day

[15:16:55]

gardengnome:

sebrock: ok, make sure it worked. there used to be some bugs, i'm not sure if they are fixed. but they should be.

[15:17:04]

clever:

there 2gig min:)

[15:17:07]

sebrock:

I will

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williammanda:

can someone help me install a file....

[15:17:12]

Dagmar:

juski: I get the feeling the dude who does MePo knows more about XML than we do. Heheh

[15:17:13]

clever:

need to keep atleast that much for my databases also:)

[15:17:21]

Dagmar:

...or at least knows more about the XML calls Myth is using

[15:17:47]

juski:

mepo-wide does indeed 'rock' – if only from a perspective of learning to make better themes ;)

[15:18:01]

williammanda:

the file rar.bin needs to be installed in usr/local/bin

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clever:

QuesarVII: thanks

[15:18:24]

GreyFoxx:

juski: He use a lot of undocumented little tricks ?

[15:18:38]

juski:

I think part of the reason I'm doing neon-wide is because mepo-wide made all my others look really lame by comparison

[15:18:39]

clever:

Dagmar: also the fact the program saves the livetv like that

[15:18:45]

QuesarVII:

clever – after having problems, i redid my system months ago to have a separate partition for myth and a separate partition for mysql

[15:18:49]

clever:

means i can if i want copy that whole thing out

[15:18:56]

QuesarVII:

i haven't had probs with full filesystems since

[15:18:57]

juski:

GreyFoxx: the biggie was the little guy with the antenna coming out of his ass

[15:19:01]

clever:

and cut out the part i wanted to save later

[15:19:03]

GreyFoxx:

heheh yeah

[15:19:10]

GreyFoxx:

The flippage animation :)

[15:19:17]

clever:

manualy recording the comercials that caught my eye

[15:19:29]

clever:

or any other thing i want to record without warning

[15:19:44]

juski:

GreyFoxx: then theres the stuff I popped into that thar pastebin

[15:19:49]

clever:

when recording an entire show is too much

[15:19:58]

Dagmar:

clever: Dude, you really need to pay more attention. We were telling you that very thing.

[15:20:29]

clever:

what i thought you where saying was how to record something in the futurew

[15:20:36]

clever:

when giving the program a few mins warning

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juski:

anyway GreyFoxx my new theme will benefit too – I was trying to work out how the hell to keep the top blue line out of the setup menus & popups

[15:20:55]

Dagmar:

All you have to do to save parts of livetv is to turn off expiry on it and maybe move it to a less-onerous-to-find category and then you can use the same editor you'd use to tweak commercial break flags and transcode the bits you want to keep out

[15:21:20]

clever:

ahh:)

[15:21:29]

clever:

i could just catch it before the expiry

[15:21:36]

Dagmar:

i.e., you start playing the recording then hit 'e' on the keyboard, optionally 'z' to pull in what the commercial flagger may have done to it, and then go from there. 'e' exits and saves

[15:21:42]

clever:

under 24 hours later and aslong as i keep over 2gig it wont be deleting for that

[15:22:06]

juski:

I have a new feature request .. in the edit mode, allow it to copy a section out to a new file :) pwetty pweeeease!

[15:22:17]

sebrock:

hmm... On the input connectors page in mythtv-setup, nothing happens for me, it says Input: (None), is this correct?

[15:22:24]

Dagmar:

juski: you're kidding, right?

[15:22:53]

Dagmar:

Unless you want it to be as keyframe-inaccurate as playback is, someone's going to have to basically put transcoding features into myth itself

[15:22:53]

juski:

I record music shows with the intention of breaking em up into tracks, which I never get around to

[15:23:17]

Dagmar:

Man I'd use Cinellera for that

[15:23:18]

juski:

Dagmar: queue a lossless transcode op. on it

[15:23:25]

clever:

Dagmar: cant myth just call mencoder and just know how to call it?

[15:23:41]

clever:

or that

[15:23:49]

Dagmar:

clever: This is where you're encroaching on the "we'd like to see framegrabber support go away" land

[15:24:02]

Dagmar:

...becuase last i checked, mencoder didn't know what to do with nipplevideo files

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** juski starts a bounty to remove framegrabber support **

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Dagmar:

The mpg format the loverly Hauppauge cards and so forth make, it knows how to handle fine

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sebrock:

clever, I know you've been there: how is your Input Connectors page in mythtv-setup look like? Does it say: Input (none)?

[15:24:31]

QuesarVII:

dagmar – it's had support for a while

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clever:

i saw a tool yesterday to convert nuv to avi

[15:24:41]

Dagmar:

QuesarVII: It might still have it then

[15:25:05]

QuesarVII:

there was a patch made by the mythtv guys a long time ago. it took the mplayer devs a while, but they finally integrated it into mainline a while ago

[15:25:06]

Dagmar:

clever: Transcode can do it, and nuvexport (mainly because ti can call all kinds of backends to do the work), etc etc

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Dagmar:

QuesarVII: Okay that's good

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clever:

ahh:)

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juski:

removing framegrabber support might get rid of some of the idiots aswell

[15:25:29]

Dagmar:

Mainly I just check their changelog notes now to see if they're doing any more API breaking

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QuesarVII:

i use a bttv card

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clever:

when under input connections

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sebrock:

clever: Video souce (none)?

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QuesarVII:

i wouldn't want support for it dropped

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clever:

i can see 4 things

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clever:

1 for each input on my configured cap card

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QuesarVII:

it works fine in my system

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juski:

QuesarVII: but you have a brain & you've been able to make it worky ;)

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sebrock:

clever, I only got one card

[15:26:16]

clever:

i only have 1 card also

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clever:

but my card has tuner in a pair of composites in and an svideo in

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clever:

4 inputs total

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QuesarVII:

it really wasn't that hard to make work though

[15:26:37]

juski:

oven is up to temp.. time to put my duck in

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juski:

QuesarVII: jup

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QuesarVII:

i just had to choose the right input for it and it just worked

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sebrock:

clever, first I see V4L: dev/video0 -> (none) and then the same for composite and s-video

[15:26:52]

clever:

and because of my bttv driver only composite1 works

[15:27:09]

Dagmar:

So fix your bttv driver config

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sebrock:

I choose the first to get into that menu, what then?

[15:27:22]

clever:

i tryed telling bttv my card once i found out how

[15:27:23]

Dagmar:

Or ditch the thing and buy a PVR-150

[15:27:26]

clever:

and it made it worse

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sebrock:

says Video source (none) there

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clever:

brb

[15:27:44]

Dagmar:

Yes, you obviously told it the wrong type of card or more likely ignored it whimpering that the tuner was one that it didn't expect.

[15:27:45]

jduggan:

hmm so

[15:27:49]

clever:

getting screenshow url

[15:27:50]

Dagmar:

Grab a flashlight and look the thing over.

[15:28:02]

clever:

i found a site which lists all cards bttv handles

[15:28:05]

clever:

with pics

[15:28:11]

clever:

card=14 is identical to my card

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clever:

modprobe bttv card=14

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clever:

causes the watchtv option in mythtv to come up green

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sebrock:

me?

[15:28:40]

clever:

and it refuses to go back when i change it back to card=0

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Dagmar:

One of the MOST irritating things about bttv cards is that the damn things might identify as a particular card and manufacturer, but that information is frequently bullshit and not specific enough to indicate which freaking tuner the manuf put on that particular manufacturing run of the card.

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QuesarVII:

clever – what if you hit the 'c' key to change inputs?

[15:29:01]

clever:

mythtv was still set to use composite1

[15:29:01]

Dagmar:

clever: Test the card by using TVTime first.

[15:29:26]

clever:

sebrock: http://clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/mythtv/Screenshot-1.png

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juski:

always test the hardware outside of mythtv first. no exceptions to that rule

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clever:

i had done tons of testing with bttv at the default of card=0

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clever:

before i heard of mythtv

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clever:

only way i could get it to work was with composite1 input

[15:30:18]

Dagmar:

clever: Dude, get and install http://tvtime.sourceforge.net/

[15:30:21]

juski:

"hmmm it not worky. That'd be the fault of... ermmmm, hmmm mythtv or... ?"

[15:30:23]

Dagmar:

It will make your life much easier

[15:30:23]

clever:

radio tuner and cable tuner didnt work

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Dagmar:

clever: Test your tuner card configuration with http://tvtime.sourceforge.net/

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Dagmar:

clever: You can download TVTime from http://tvtime.sourceforge.net/

[15:30:49]

** clever looks **

[15:30:54]

Dagmar:

w00t!

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clever:

lol

[15:31:18]

clever:

i found a package for it in ubuntu

[15:31:22]

clever:

doesnt claim which version

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clever:

risk installing a year old copy or just goto the site?:P

[15:31:49]

clever:

tvtime_1.0.1–2ubuntu2_i386.deb

[15:32:02]

clever:

lol 2 year old copy

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QuesarVII:

i'd just install the old one if it's packaged

[15:32:08]

clever:

and still newest:P

[15:32:14]

QuesarVII:

it's just to test with anyway

[15:32:20]

clever:

yeah

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clever:

the card is probly still older then the package

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QuesarVII:

you can try xawtv instead if you want too

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QuesarVII:

that's how I tested mine years ago before setting up myth

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clever:

ive allready played for xawtv for days on end:P

[15:33:09]

clever:

it also strangely crashes if DISPLAY=:0.1

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clever:

:0.0 and it runs fine

[15:33:22]

QuesarVII:

sounds like a xinerama bug

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sebrock:

clever, I fixit it

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clever:

i cant even read the xawtv interface on :0.1 because its a tv out

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clever:

and i dont plan to use it on that card long term anyway

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** clever wires the analog cable back into the tuner card **

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clever:

no signal on any channel

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clever:

Feb 4 09:39:48 theP4 kernel: [17252979.756000] bttv0: using: Aimslab Video Highway Xtreme (VHX) [card=14,insmod option]

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clever:

the cd that came with it with win98 drivers called it a Video Highway Xtreme card

[15:38:25]

clever:

composite1 still works

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juski:

after card options there are tuner=$ options too

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sebrock:

he, yesterday I had picture with tvtime, today I have none on the saved channels... bet this is a module thing... anyone knows?

[15:38:49]

clever:

yeah

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clever:

dont know which tuner i have yet

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sebrock:

a scan with mythtv-setup gives nothing :(

[15:39:07]

juski:

so it's a case of try them all tile it works

[15:39:08]

Milosch:

funky, one of my recorded entries had chanid of 4294967295

[15:39:32]

** clever moves the entire desk on wheels so he can look at the card **

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clever:

yep i see bt848:D

[15:41:14]

clever:

also i see aimslab which the driver named

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clever:

but the card is facing downward and its too close to the floor to gets my eyes below it

[15:41:53]

** clever looks for a mirror **

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williammanda:

can someone help me install a bin file?

[15:43:10]

clever:

a cd might help

[15:43:11]

QuesarVII:

what do you mean william?

[15:44:46]

Milosch:

and recordedseek was full of them as well, must have been the cause of mythcommflag crashing the backend, who knows why this happened in the first place

[15:45:17]

Milosch:

possible coding error in one version of myth svn, oh well

[15:47:52]

Milosch:

williammanda: hello?

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williammanda:

hey milo

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clever:

lol

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clever:

i just had an idea

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clever:

using my digital cam to view the pci card i cant see

[15:48:23]

clever:

what if i left the flash on?

[15:48:35]

clever:

even if it is just a tiny emp wave

[15:48:41]

clever:

at 2 inches the motherboard wont care

[15:48:45]

Greek-Boy:

does mythv offer access control to content?

[15:48:45]

williammanda:

i'mnot getting anywhere trying install this bin file

[15:48:52]

Milosch:

williammanda: what bin file

[15:49:04]

williammanda:

rar ####.bin

[15:49:12]

Milosch:

er

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williammanda:

rarlnx271.sfx.bin

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Milosch:

what's that for?

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Milosch:

sfx for the soundcard?

[15:50:04]

williammanda:

compression for video

[15:50:54]

williammanda:

i tried this command....chmod +x file.bin

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williammanda:

got the prompt back

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sebrock:

ok, a bit off myth but anyway: been googling for a solution but nothing helps: Ubuntu does not power down, it just halts the computer, I've set boot to acpi=off because otherwise the boot will halt?

[15:53:24]

riddlebox:

can anyone tell me how to create a dvd from a .mpg file?

[15:53:26]

Milosch:

williammanda: doesn't sound like something myth needs

[15:53:35]

clever:

finaly got a good view of the decoder chip

[15:53:50]

clever:

Bt848akpf

[15:53:50]

clever:

video decoder

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clever:

bf7397.2 9815

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clever:

korea

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clever:

i also see a chip with the philips logo

[15:54:50]

clever:

could that be part of the philips tuner?

[15:55:30]

QuesarVII:

will- run "file rarlnx271.sfx.bin" to see what file type it is

[15:56:20]

QuesarVII:

sebrock – you need either acpi or apm to power off

[15:56:37]

sebrock:

ok, apm is old stuff?

[15:56:42]

QuesarVII:

apm is very old

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QuesarVII:

acpi is probably what you want

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QuesarVII:

do you have problems when acpi is enabled?

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sebrock:

well got a MSI K9NGM2-fid, which is new...

[15:57:07]

sebrock:

yes, does not boot

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williammanda:

i ran it like this....

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QuesarVII:

errors out in the kernel itself?

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williammanda:

william@desktop:/usr/local/bin$ sudo chmod +x rarlnx271.sfx.bin

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williammanda:

william@desktop:/usr/local/bin$

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sebrock:

it stalls at "iq scheduler ... something"

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QuesarVII:

sebrock- there are some kernel params that let you specify which parts of acpi get used

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sebrock:

oh

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QuesarVII:

let me look

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sebrock:

thanks m8

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stuarta:

afternoon all

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clever:

i have a good idea at what my card is now

[15:59:18]

clever:

http://clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/mythtv/2007 . . . img_3156.jpg shows the decoder chip

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livingtm:

Any Devs around?

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clever:

devs are mostly in #mythtv but they get upset if you go there for anything other then dev work

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QuesarVII:

sebrock – still searching

[16:02:39]

QuesarVII:

doing a grep in the kernel source now

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stuarta:

livingtm: ??

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QuesarVII:

what kernel version are you running?

[16:02:53]

livingtm:

yes?

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QuesarVII:

if it's older, updating might fix the prob

[16:03:03]

** stuarta is a dev **

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QuesarVII:

a new bios version for the mobo could solve it too.

[16:03:21]

sebrock:

QuesarVII, 2.6.17-10-generic

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sebrock:

Gonna check for a new bios fw

[16:03:53]

QuesarVII:

that's pretty recent, but 19 is out now too

[16:03:54]

livingtm:

stuarta, Ah, ok :-) Hey i have a quick question if you dont mind me asking... Why did the project go with a new UI infrastructure rather than using say, a web browser at fullscreen?

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stuarta:

a web browser isn't suitable for the task

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livingtm:

stuarta, what doesnt it do?

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stuarta:

the point is the interface is meant to be used via a remote on a tv

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sebrock:

QuesarVII, is it easy to upgrade?

[16:05:23]

livingtm:

stuarta, right, but its just another GUI right?

[16:05:46]

livingtm:

stuarta, im not being critical, just curious what benefits it adds

[16:05:46]

stuarta:

basically.

[16:05:58]

livingtm:

cant you map keystrokes froma remote to a browser?

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gardengnome:

you could use mythbrowser to control it... d'oh

[16:06:15]

QuesarVII:

sebrock – try adding pci=noacpi instead of acpi=off

[16:06:17]

livingtm:

hehe

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QuesarVII:

try the pci= fix first

[16:06:31]

stuarta:

it's not for us to decide anyway. Isaac did it that way

[16:06:43]

QuesarVII:

I can help upgrade to 19 if your distro doesn't have a package for it

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livingtm:

stuarta, i was just wondering because it seems like browsers these days have the capability to embed the media and everything

[16:07:20]

livingtm:

and they are flexible as far as content

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livingtm:

and layout

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sebrock:

QuesarVII, I will tnx

[16:07:41]

stuarta:

sure, it's just not quite "right" for a UI

[16:08:22]

livingtm:

mythtv is separate from the menuing isnt it?

[16:08:52]

stuarta:

not quite sure what you mean, it does it's own menuing

[16:08:59]

livingtm:

lik eplaying back shows and watching live TV.. thats all basically just called by the menuing system?

[16:09:04]

QuesarVII:

sebrock – I'll only be on irc for a little while longer, so please try it now if you want help upgrading the kernel if that doesn't work

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sebrock:

ok I'm editing grub as we speak

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stuarta:

if you want to look at it that way...

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livingtm:

can you watch live tv without going through the mythmenus?

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stuarta:

no

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livingtm:

oh ok

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Russ[]:

Any CCTV experts around by any chance?

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Greek-Boy:

Russ, whatu need to know?

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livingtm:

like when you watch videos, its actually calling mplayer at fullscreen isnt it?

[16:10:44]

stuarta:

no, does it itself

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livingtm:

really? i thoguht i saw an mplayer command line in there somewhere

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sebrock:

brb

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Russ[]:

lemme point you to a post I just posted on a forum if you don't mind, it expains my goals, what I know and think I don't know.

[16:11:37]

Russ[]:

http://www.cctvforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=53845#53845

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stuarta:

livingtm: the mythvideo plugin can *optionally* use mplayer for playback

[16:12:47]

livingtm:

stuarta, oh, yeah thats what i thinking of i guess

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Tuxguy:

Anyone installed on Fedora?

[16:12:59]

livingtm:

you can specify any commandline you want

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stuarta:

this was used historically when the internal player didn't support as much stuff

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livingtm:

i see

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stuarta:

but now there isn't a real need for it...

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livingtm:

Ill have to dig around the internals some more :-) im really curious about it. its a great package

[16:13:56]

stuarta:

you thinking of doing some coding?

[16:13:59]

livingtm:

I just go tmy remote working yesterday.. what a difference in usability.

[16:14:14]

stuarta:

i still haven't done that :)

[16:14:24]

livingtm:

I'd love to, but Im no hardcore programmer.. I do program a bit

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livingtm:

plus with 2 kids and being self employed im not sure i have the bandwidth

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livingtm:

but ihave a lot of ideas that i want to play with

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Milosch:

williammanda: all you did was make it executable

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livingtm:

whats it written in BTW?

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stuarta:

C++ / Qt

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stuarta:

C in the codecs

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livingtm:

Ive written some little stuff in C++. I'd be embarrassed to try to submit something :-)

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stuarta:

everyone starts somewhere....

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livingtm:

I guess I could start by tweaking

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livingtm:

stuarta, I want to be able to control my theater lights from the remote :-)

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williammanda:

milo..i'm confused then...

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sebrock:

QuesarVII, it did work, thank you!!!!

[16:17:10]

williammanda:

how do you install a bin file?

[16:17:23]

sebrock:

QuesarVII, just so I learn aswell, what caused it to just halt?

[16:17:26]

QuesarVII:

william – just saying a binfile doesn't help

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Tuxguy:

williammanda, .bin ?

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QuesarVII:

william – run file on it

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QuesarVII:

what is the binfile for?

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juski:

damnit my dvb radio export script is still running

[16:17:55]

stuarta:

livingtm: ohh that.. someone did some of that....

[16:17:57]

juski:

williammanda: it's a firmware file isn't it?

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Tuxguy:

williammanda, chmod a+x filename.bin then ./filename.bin

[16:17:58]

williammanda:

rarlnx271.sfx.bin...this is the file....

[16:18:00]

stuarta:

hey juski !

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juski:

hey stuarta :)

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QuesarVII:

sebrock – your bios's acpi data for the pci bus is screwed up

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QuesarVII:

having the kernel use a different method for mapping pci, etc avoids the problem

[16:18:26]

Tuxguy:

juski, just the person i was looking for :P

[16:18:28]

juski:

stuarta: how's the mini doing?

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sebrock:

QuesarVII, I guess haha.. great

[16:18:43]

sebrock:

maybe a firmware upgrade is in its place

[16:18:47]

stuarta:

juski: quite tasty :) nice little frontend

[16:18:47]

QuesarVII:

I'm a system integrator for a cluster company

[16:18:49]

juski:

Tuxguy: if it's about one of my themes and you have problems with it, email me

[16:18:52]

sebrock:

can only find tools for win tho

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Tuxguy:

juski, It's a problem installng mythtv

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stuarta:

tho the remote has only 6 buttons.

[16:19:09]

QuesarVII:

i get the pleasure of regularly dealing with brand new hardware that still hasn't had the bugs worked out

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juski:

6 buttons? whoops

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sebrock:

QuesarVII, ok... sounds like fun. It has "Live Update" whatever that means

[16:19:44]

juski:

Tuxguy: there are plenty of other people you can ask. Ask them

[16:19:50]

Tuxguy:

:(

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Tuxguy:

http://pastebin.ca/340158

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Tuxguy:

This is the error I get when trying to install

[16:19:58]

QuesarVII:

I'd ship it that way.

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stuarta:

up down left right pause/play & menu

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sebrock:

ok

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Milosch:

juski: looks like a binary dist of rar, actually

[16:20:24]

gardengnome:

juski: it's funny how people specifically want YOU to fix their problems. did you sell your soul to some sinister looking person? ;)

[16:20:34]

sebrock:

is there a way to check when a user was logged on here last?

[16:20:35]

juski:

gardengnome: nope

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Russ[]:

Greek-Boy: did you happen to get a chance to look at that?

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juski:

I mustn't be acting unfriendly enough

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stuarta:

Tuxguy: why are you installing those packages???

[16:21:47]

Tuxguy:

stuarta, because the mythtv howto said to install mythtv-suite

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gardengnome:

ah, RPM hell

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stuarta:

no idea what it's doing installing that stuff...

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juski:

if you try to follow a howto & it doesn't work – unless it's an official howto, go bother whoever wrote it

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** stuarta wonders if juski has a hangover... **

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juski:

we get a lot of "hey I'm trying to use Uncle Bob's blog page to install mythtv & it's not worky"

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sebrock:

:)

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sebrock:

that would be aunt themla for me

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QuesarVII:

williammanda – what are you trying to do with the bin file, and what does running file on it tell you?

[16:23:42]

Tuxguy:

Well... I thought it was an official how to, as it was found ont he mythtv site

[16:24:10]

juski:

the stuff on the main mythtv.org site can be a little outdated sometimes

[16:24:26]

gardengnome:

it's probably just a fucked up repository..

[16:24:38]

Tuxguy:

I will try removing the python-imaging package, and letting the atrpms replace it

[16:24:40]

stuarta:

or someone broke the rpms

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stuarta:

Tuxguy: that might be an idea

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Russ[]:

Anyone know of a channel for CCTV, or one where people would be knowlegable

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juski:

Russ[]: see if zoneminder has one

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Russ[]:

nope, and motion's is dead

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williammanda:

trying to install dvdrip

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Russ[]:

:( :( :(

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juski:

Russ[]: I've already told you that what you want to do – i.e. integrating a samsung cctv system into something linux oriented is going to be a lot of work – either you write something or someone else will have to

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QuesarVII:

williammanda – and what does file say about it?

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Russ[]:

Such as what you suggested earlier motion and zoneminder?

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williammanda:

not sure what you are asking

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QuesarVII:

run "file thebinfilename"

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juski:

you don't seem to know enough about the system you have to be able to answer more indepth questions about it either. Which is because most manufacturers don't publish an API for working with their gear

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juski:

Russ[]: if I could find the manual for the unit you have I might be able to give more advice – but I looked & couldn't find it, so I – and probably anybody else who doesn't own one of them systems – will not be able to help much

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Russ[]:

this is a forum post that outlines what I belive, dont, and want to know http://www.cctvforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=7761

[16:29:45]

juski:

you could always bother samsung about it. make tech support earn their money

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Tuxguy:

CCTV? Closed caption?

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Russ[]:

closed curcuit

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Tuxguy:

Oh, I need closed caption :(

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Russ[]:

and samsung will tell me to buy thier DVRs/Time lapsed VCR's and rob me out of a fun project :(

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juski:

Russ[]: right, so it seems like the 8 video outputs from one of the boxes might be able to feed an external CCTV DVR, but that isn't clear

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GreyFoxx:

Interesting. Just so happens I was playing with a Samsung CCTV DVR last night

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juski:

you need to read the manual for the system Russ[]

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Russ[]:

There's not very much there though

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juski:

in all likelihood the RJ connectors they're using for the cameras only supply power & then the camera shoves video down the wire in analogue form

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GreyFoxx:

The Samsung dvr at least can be made to multicast (or unicast) stream the video, so it is likely possible to get mytht's iptv recorder to record it

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juski:

Russ[]: how much was the complete system?

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Russ[]:

I think she said 400 or something

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juski:

if it was less than $1000, it's not using IP cameras

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Russ[]:

From the Sams Club

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Russ[]:

maybe 5

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juski:

I'll have another look for the manual

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Russ[]:

And you have to have IP cams to record through one of those DRV cards I have in that post?

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juski:

nope

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Tuxguy:

yay. got it nistalled and working

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Tuxguy:

although, my mouse doesn't work in mythtvsetup

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GreyFoxx:

Tuxguy: IT's not suppose to

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GreyFoxx:

myth is intended to be controlled with a keyboard or remote, not a mouse

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GreyFoxx:

so by default the mousepointer is turned off

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Russ[]:

If there's anything you want me to look up i can grab the manual

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GreyFoxx:

and even if you turn it on, it only works on acople of menu items

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Tuxguy:

Do I have to have sources plugged into the card when I start mythbackend? right now nothing is plugged into it

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juski:

Russ[]: well, is there more than one video output which carries the camera signals?

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juski:

Russ[]: rofl... the connectors they use are Modular Jack (RJ211).. EEEW! this is totally toytown stuff

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juski:

and from what I've just read I can tell you how it works

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juski:

the controller allows you to show each camera fullscreen, or one of two 'quad' displays. Quad is where each of 4 cameras occupies a quarter of the screeen

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Tuxguy:

hmm, now i can getting failed to open card errors

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juski:

the controller passes each camera input to the VCR output in turn and you can adjust the 'dwell' time – i.e. how long the view stays on one camera

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juski:

Russ[]: join me in a msg I don't want to bother the channel with this

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Dagmar:

pfft. not like anything else is going on

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Dagmar:

I thought I fixored that

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Dagmar:

wrong channel

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juski:

Dagmar: http://www.pastebin.ca/340200

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juski:

I can't be advocating folks buy a competitor's product in a logged channel ;)

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juski:

there's something of ours which would fit the bill but it's not launched yet so I can't talk about it

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Dagmar:

Well, if this is restaurant surveillance, you could probably get away with literally PACKING a box with PVR-500's and using a low bitrate to encode but maybe there's a better solution

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Dagmar:

Don't try and stick more than four of them in one box unless you want it to go berzerk

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Dagmar:

Anything that makes other devices starve for PCI latency *surely* can't share interrupts for crap, and 1 PCI bus equals 4 hard IRQs

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GreyFoxx:

a couple pvr500's, a couple hundred G of space, some fake programming data, and 4 recording rules

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Dagmar:

yep. I agree with juski

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Dagmar:

People make hardware for this stuff, and regardless, tape is still more likely to be accepted as "untampered with" by dumbass cops

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juski:

if you value your premises you don't take chances with security

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livingtm:

Anyone had any luck with the Hauppauge WinTV-HVR 1600 PCI TV Tuner (Analog & Digital)?

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livingtm:

for over the air HD and SD?

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juski:

livingtm: only the digital half of it is supported. the analogue mpeg encoder won't be supported for months

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livingtm:

ah okay.. thanks

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juski:

like about 6–9 months at the earliest

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livingtm:

woah.. card is too new?

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Dagmar:

Surv. systems that have anything to do with "dwell" time aren't particularly useful for evidence. they're only good for telling *when* something happened

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livingtm:

is there an alternative that you recommend?

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juski:

card is too new, uses a new chip which the devs may or may not (I dunno) have a datasheet for

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juski:

Dagmar: evidence doesn't have to be forensically safe unless it's actually going to be used in a major trial. most of the time it's just handy for putting somebody in a certain place at a particular time

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Dagmar:

Someone has to have one kinda fall into their possession, and then they have to start itching

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Dagmar:

juski: I'll buy that

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juski:

there aren't many CCTV solutions that watermark the recorded images with massive length keys ;)

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Dagmar:

Yeah but cops are *stupid* most of the time

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Dagmar:

If you start talking about keys you're liable to hear something like "I thought you said the doors weren't locked yet"

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juski:

makes me laugh when I see some competitors kit that has a record button on the front so you can "easily start & stop recording"

[17:01:57]

livingtm:

Im going to go out and buy a card today.. id like to be able to do HD over the air as well as SD. what card will work with the least hassle?

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Dagmar:

juksi; Oh dear

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juski:

you don't want your employees turning the recording off, no siree

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Dagmar:

heheh

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Dagmar:

"Listen to me very carefully. I want you to ignore this gun and reach down and push that button there that turns the tape off."

[17:03:30]

juski:

club where I used to work had (by coincidence) a digital DVR – one of ours. the doormen protested & had it replaced with a tape based system

[17:03:39]

Dagmar:

I've already seen one shoplifter just watching the CCTV cams in a store so he'd know when he could grab smokes and run

[17:03:55]

Dagmar:

What was their reasoning for that?

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juski:

for tampering with evidence of course

[17:04:16]

Dagmar:

Ohhh

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Dagmar:

Yep. Digital is troublesome like that

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tank-man:

to beat up people and not be filmed

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juski:

some punter gets a serious batterring around the back of the club – no self respecting doorman is gonna want footage of them doing it to be lying around

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Dagmar:

Wait, your guys wanted the tape... oh oh your company's solution actually used keys on the data I get it

[17:05:38]

Dagmar:

What you need is a back hallway that no one can see, like the club I used to hang out at had

[17:05:39]

juski:

Dagmar: you can't manually delete recorded images

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juski:

they can expire or you can protect them

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Dagmar:

If someone came in peddling smack or something the club owner didn't like, he'd be leaving through the back door, with a slight bit of lag time

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juski:

saying that it won't take long to overwrite a 320GB disk at 100pps with a filesize of 40k

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juski:

the new box is a monster. 32 camera inputs & 400 pics per sec recording

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livingtm:

you guys have a list of supported tuners?

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Dagmar:

livingtm: That woudl be the video4linux website's prerogative

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juski:

livingtm: tuners supported in linux you mean?

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Dagmar:

Myth doesn't directly support anything

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livingtm:

yeah i guess :-) what do you guys recommend

[17:07:59]

juski:

mythtv pretty much supports anything linux supports which follows the v4l API

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Dagmar:

A Hauppauge PVR-500

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Russ[]:

juski: sorry for leaving I had to get off the WDS end of my network, irc kept disconnecting and hanging.

[17:08:12]

livingtm:

Dagmar, that doenst to HD right?

[17:08:14]

juski:

Russ[]: http://www.pastebin.ca/340200

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Dagmar:

livingtm: Nope

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livingtm:

anyone have experience with one that does both? over the air HD and SD?

[17:08:48]

Dagmar:

Websearch

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juski:

livingtm: maybe the hvr1300 but I've no idea if it'll do HD

[17:09:07]

livingtm:

juski, youve had luck with that one?

[17:09:08]

juski:

even that one is very very new

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livingtm:

but supported?

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juski:

did I say I had luck with it?

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Dagmar:

I've seen more than one database of PVR's people have built with Linux and what tuner cards they used

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Dagmar:

You should Google and see if you can find one of them

[17:09:25]

juski:

livingtm: only just supported

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livingtm:

Dagmar, im sure i can find one, i was looking for personal experience :-)

[17:10:01]

juski:

ffs I think this dvb radio export is being niced & niced

[17:10:33]

juski:

hahaha ffmpeg is taking 3.9% CPU

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juski:

that's why it's taking so long

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juski:

mythtv is nicing it, and the script nices ffmpeg

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Russ[]:

juski: well she's going through menopause, so no sense and logic comming from there, I would've done my research, and never concidered a samsung product.

[17:11:35]

juski:

Russ[]: mothers eh? who'd have em

[17:12:16]

juski:

at work we've heard of those evil little samsung boxes. they don't have a good rep. despite the name

[17:12:32]

AngryElf:

cd #lirc

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AngryElf:

join #lirc

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AngryElf:

what a noob

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juski:

have a slash AngryElf '/'

[17:13:02]

AngryElf:

yea i know i'm just retarded

[17:13:09]

AngryElf:

nobody's there anyways

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juski:

I didn't say a thing

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AngryElf:

:)

[17:14:04]

juski:

anyway back to what I was talking about...

[17:14:19]

juski:

some of those cheap cctv dvrs aren't that bad, but some really are bad

[17:14:39]

juski:

like the ones that record quads to disk. then to view the playback from a camera fullscreen, they zoom in

[17:15:32]

juski:

you end up with a 160x120 image zoomed fullscreen, so a perp's face might end up only being like 10 pixels high

[17:15:44]

juski:

might as well have NO recording

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juski:

heh

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AngryElf:

EVERYTHING :)

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juski:

figures. you need to read the build script thingies to find that out then

[17:17:28]

juski:

sorry for the uber-technical answer

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juski:

maybe the docs they provide will tell you the commandline syntax anyhow

[17:19:16]

AngryElf:

i'm going with...omitting it for now and seeing if it's the default setting :)

[17:19:28]

juski:

stuarta: you tried any of those h.264 recordings on the mini yet?

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Russ[]:

juski: In this diagram in the manual, it's showing how to hook it up to a Time lapse VCR It shows these 4 bare wire connections, kinda like for hooking speakers up. on the monitor they're labled Hot, Cold, Air, GND , and on the VCR's end it shows is labeled GND, reset, GND, ALARM IN. In addition to that odd s-video cable that game with it. What does that tell the VCR about the dwell time? No that doesn't make sense because if

[17:20:01]

Russ[]:

ing the signal output.

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juski:

the alarm input will prolly make the VCR start recording in realtime mode

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juski:

Russ[]: normally a mux or sequencer will tell the vcr when it's switching, so the vcr will be in sync

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juski:

and to think samsung call that thing digital..

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juski:

that is OLD tech

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juski:

it's only digital in the sense that it can stream cameras over IP

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stuarta:

juski: nope.

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** stuarta goes to attempt watch bbc hd **

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stuarta:

uh-oh... spinning pizza wheel...

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stuarta:

looks like it can't do it. i'll try some other recordings some other time...

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Russ[]:

dwell time or 4 split screen are the only options to output the input from more than one camera

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Russ[]:

did i loose connection agian

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juski:

Russ[]: to use a proper multiway DVR I think you'd have to make some kind of adapters to plug the cameras into

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rsdvd:

Russ[] : why don't you just use ZoneMinder and some cheap import cpature cards

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juski:

rsdvd: because to record images at a decent res. framegrabbers would saturate the PCI bus

[17:43:03]

juski:

svn commit

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juski:

arse

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stuarta:

EWRONGWINDOW

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rsdvd:

ok – but for the cost of a dedicated CCTV-DVR a couple of cheap pc would be cheaper

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Russ[]:

I plan on using zone minder, but I would like to have motion activated recording on 8 cameras, but as I take it there is not 8 channels comming out of this cable

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juski:

rsdvd: a couple of PCs, cheaper than £300 ?

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juski:

when it's a business you're protecting you'd be a fool to go with a pc-based solution

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rsdvd:

well I always have 'spare' pcs around

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juski:

I don't care how good zoneminder is or what their forum users say, I wouldn't trust a PC with it

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Dagmar:

okay

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Russ[]:

Well we're not worried about outside theifs too much, more of employee's, and I've kinda been telling her she should get one, incase she gets sick

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juski:

if any tom or dick could lash up a decent dvr using a pc & some framegrabber cards, the firm I work for would be out of business

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Dagmar:

heheh

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juski:

hell there are plenty of manufacturers who cant make products that work properly

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juski:

but you can sue them, or your installer ;)

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Dagmar:

Lessee... Pinnacle... umm... I-Omega... GPX... umm... Chee-ez...

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Russ[]:

So these DRV cards, could you tell me about some hardware that you can hook up to those to record the 8 channels of video

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juski:

well, for one thing there'd be a big snag in doing that. you'd no longer be able to use the samsung monitor thing as well as the PC cards

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juski:

even if you did manage to make a 'y' cable for each camera

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juski:

anyway if you want to take each camera signal from its weird RJ plug connection you'll need to work out what signal is on what pin of the plug

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juski:

Russ[]: is returning the samsung thing an option?

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juski:

you can probably get 8 reasonable cameras & lenses for about 50GBP each, then use two 4-input PCI cards (or one eight input card)

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juski:

I thought about using a spare PC as a dvr myself, but then got myself a Dedicated Micros D4 from Ebay for $cheap

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Russ[]:

Oh I'm concidering it, she just bought it out of the blue, but this is kinda my project she just wanted to sit down and watch it to make sure everyone is being productive, then I started thinking I could run it through DVR software (mythos) and I've wanted a mythos box for years

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juski:

all it needed was new HDD & the software loading onto it – which of course I know how to do cos I work for em ;)

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GreyFoxx:

juski: What kind of chipset is on most of those 8 input cards?

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GreyFoxx:

My boss is bringing me in one tomorrow and acouple cameras to play with

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juski:

GreyFoxx: brooktree IIRC

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GreyFoxx:

Nice

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juski:

the ones with one video decoder per camera input will get you the best recording rate provided they don't saturate the PCI bus

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Russ[]:

But those DVR cards, thats made so each camera attaches to the card individualy with it's own RS-4? or BNC terminal?

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juski:

Russ[]: yup

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juski:

so you'd need to adapt the crappy samsung plugs to whatever the card uses

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juski:

and power them down the cable too

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juski:

and decide which one(s) you want to record audio from & adapt the audio connector(s)

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juski:

it's just the wrong box for the job Russ[] :(

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juski:

FWIW I wouldn't want to run mythtv on my cctv box either

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juski:

with some USB extender cables you could prolly do quite well with some $20 webcams & zoneminder :-P but not something I'd trust 24/7

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GreyFoxx:

Any specific reason? the main problems I see is the lack of a windows client, lack of built in motion detections etc

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juski:

GreyFoxx: lack of motion detection

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GreyFoxx:

makes sense

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Dagmar:

Enh motion detection isn't that hard

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Dagmar:

If you can code your way out of a wet paper bag

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juski:

our DVRs do motion detection in hardware

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juski:

and compression

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Dagmar:

Oh no your country has bird flu Juski!

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juski:

yeah so I read

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GreyFoxx:

A company that we are merging with installs a lot of security DVR's for people, so I now have a much bigger interest in them

[18:01:31]

juski:

today might be the last time I have duck for a while

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Dagmar:

Feed the rest of them to the mad cows

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juski:

mad cows? chav mums?

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juski:

;)

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Dagmar:

BTW< is that the reason some people didn't seem to like Rose Tyler?

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stuarta:

might be time to go back to beef

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Dagmar:

...because she was a half-chav child?

[18:02:34]

stuarta:

haven't seen any cows acting strangely lately....

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juski:

Dagmar: I fort she was poplier

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Dagmar:

Yih but her mums defnitly a chav

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juski:

word

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Dagmar:

Although a nice enough lady

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juski:

actually no because she gave a shit where her daughter was

[18:03:39]

Dagmar:

Ah this much is true

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Dagmar:

It's kinda freaky seeing Eccleston on Heroes now

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Dagmar:

With hair on his face even

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, I did a double take when I saw him

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juski:

we don't get heroes til er... this month here

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GreyFoxx:

I was just waiting for him to yell out "Fantastic!"

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Dagmar:

You 'ave the intertubes tho'!

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Dagmar:

You can watch that online you can

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juski:

someone purloined me a HD copy but my puny frontend wasn't having it

[18:05:04]

Dagmar:

No, right on their website

[18:05:22]

livingtm:

stuarta, so where is the project most in need of man power?

[18:05:35]

stuarta:

livingtm: start with the ticket list.

[18:05:45]

livingtm:

stuarta, okay, bug fixes?

[18:05:47]

Dagmar:

juski: http://www.nbc.com/Video/rewind/full_episodes/heroes.shtml

[18:05:52]

GreyFoxx:

Clear out the old tickets that no longer apply

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stuarta:

yup

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Dagmar:

juski: It toggles full screen just fine for me

[18:06:07]

GreyFoxx:

close the ones with no info or are just feature requests with no patch attached

[18:06:20]

Dagmar:

Maybe it's the size of your monitor that's giving you feelings of inadequacy

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juski:

watching tv on a conscooter monitor is just so... so... not televisual

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Dagmar:

Of course, at the moment I'm kinda sitting on an I2 connection in more than just a passing way

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Dagmar:

8)

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GreyFoxx:

Ahahah that website wont let me view the videos

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GreyFoxx:

"The clip selected isn't available from your location"

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juski:

those bloody idiots down at 'cool' central all want us to watch stuff online & it stinks

[18:07:28]

Dagmar:

Oh how rude of them

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juski:

all web 2.0 omgoptomigized

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GreyFoxx:

sounds like "We suspect you are not 'merican, so go away'

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Dagmar:

I have a solution.

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Dagmar:

xroxy.com

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juski:

anyway – no

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juski:

I have nice comfy chairs downstairs, a lovely big screen & a fantastic sound system

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juski:

I wouldn't even attempt to use mythstream to watch something like that ;)

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Russ[]2306:

Junski: So a time lapse VCR takes the one channel of output, and switches between the 8 camera's quickly and the vcr times it to where it takes a frame every x frames?

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juski:

Russ[]: just about

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Russ[]2306:

This things crap I wanted to have fun with it.

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juski:

tell samsung ;)

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juski:

oh FFS. the essential mix is still exporting!

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juski:

be quicker to purloin it from a .. er.. thingy

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juski:

listen again I mean

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juski:

nice -n19 – wossat, like the lowest possible priority?

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stuarta:

yup

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juski:

then mythtv is nicing it on top of that.. pfft

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juski:

it's better than it was before xmas though – hogging all my cpu for a short spike

[18:16:03]

juski:

can the priority be increased while it's running?

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stuarta:

renice

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Russ[]2306:

juski: So how will this video look on the tape out of the time lapse VCR? just it changing between camera's quicky?

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stuarta:

only root can renice in a positive direction tho

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juski:

Russ[]2306: yeah

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juski:

stuarta: cheers

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Russ[]2306:

Well what about, putting it through a vcr and then from the output on that vcr, to my computer, I could record it, but not use anything like zonemarker or motion with that

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Russ[]2306:

so it would make that pointless.

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juski:

Russ[]2306: you summed it up

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Russ[]2306:

there's no way in hell there's more than one channel comming out of that?

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juski:

thing is, like I said earlier if you use that samsung thing like that, during the dwell time, all the other cameras are locked out. it's amazing what can happen in 5 seconds

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juski:

Russ[]2306: nope

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stuarta:

eediots

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Russ[]2306:

It would be more expencive to buy 4 cameras , 2 nightvision ones, probably 500 foot of cable

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Russ[]2306:

then the dvr cards on top of that.

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juski:

Russ[]2306: more expensive but do you want cctv which is actually of any use whatsoever?

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juski:

you might aswell just put dummy cameras up

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Russ[]2306:

Well, the silly thing is

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Russ[]2306:

I live across the street from the resturant

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Russ[]2306:

and she lives in an apartment, built on side/back of the resturand.

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juski:

mix em up – put em everywhere you're legally allowed to

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stuarta:

time for me to get outta here

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stuarta:

later all

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juski:

have fun stuarta

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Russ[]2306:

Oh there's no police jurisdiction in the town i live in, I could put them anywhere

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juski:

I think you'll find you can't put them in toilet/private areas

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juski:

you do not want to get sued for doing that anyway

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Russ[]2306:

well ofcourse, I've ran across a few article on the laws of CCTV, is there anywhere else you can't put it

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Russ[]2306:

like i couldn't put it looking out over the street or anything right

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Dr_willis:

get a lot of those 'fake' cameras. :)

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juski:

Russ[]2306: if any camera is facing domestic buildings you have to take measures to ensure nobody's privacy is infringed on

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juski:

or schools, etc

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juski:

steerable (PTZ) dome cameras have configurable privacy zones for that reason

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juski:

they can pixellate or blank off parts of the picture that move when they're in shot ;)

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Russ[]2306:

Well, the DVR attempt was just me wanting to have a new toy on my network, her main reason for it is managing her staff and making sure/giving them the fear factor not to steal

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Dr_willis:

thats a nifty little trick

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** Dr_willis steals the cameras **

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Russ[]2306:

yah i was looking at those cameras and the joystick controls for them

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Dr_willis:

:)

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Russ[]2306:

you have an interesting job.

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juski:

could be much worse, yeah

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juski:

megapixel networked cameras are gonna be where it's at soon

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juski:

no more being tied to the limitations of PAL or NTSC

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juski:

and pictures you can actually zoom into afterwards!

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Russ[]2306:

how much do one of those cost and how many megapixels are they?

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juski:

makes me laugh on '24' where somebody 'enhances' a 5 x 5 pixel block & it resolves into another full screen

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Dr_willis:

juski, :)

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juski:

Russ[]2306: 1 megapixel is more common than2 megapixels

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juski:

and they are not cheap

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Dr_willis:

and they can see in the reflection of the mirror the note in the suspects back pocket...

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juski:

Dr_willis: that's more 'enemy of the state' stuff

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juski:

though I did read that more of that is possible than you'd first think if you have enough camera images of the same thing from different angles

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Dr_willis:

juski, i dont watch tv... they can use it to spy on you!

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Dr_willis:

:)

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juski:

haha

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Russ[]2306:

So with a time lapse VCR, like what you see the people on the news when the rob a convenice store and they only have like 30 frames of the minute he was in there, what does it take to get those frames and divide them and sync them up?

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gbee:

always on

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Russ[]2306:

something like adobe premire?

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juski:

Russ[]2306: normally what you see is output from the cctv system, or where they've played it back in something suitable

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Russ[]2306:

so that wouldnt be a security system hooked up to a time lapsed vcr

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juski:

if the police don't have the right equipment to use with the evidence they can borrow the original recorder – either from the store owner or the vcr manufacturer

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Russ[]2306:

or

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juski:

Russ[]2306: it might be or it might not be

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juski:

e.g. we still make a multiplexer which flips thru cameras at a fast rate, but it embeds a gray code at the top of every screen denoting which camera number it is

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Russ[]2306:

is the time lapse vcr capabe of seperating the frames off of the tape and snycing them up to make as contuios of a video as possable

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juski:

then on playback, to only play say camera 2 it filters on the code for camera 2

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juski:

nope

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juski:

on frame 1 there is no guy in the store

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juski:

on frame 2 he's already in the store

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juski:

on frame 3...

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juski:

and there's 1 sec between each frame, say

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juski:

you can't just play that tape in a normal VCR

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juski:

but if you play it back in the same mode as it recorded, it'll appear 'real time' although jerky

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juski:

and that's what you see on the news

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juski:

now I'm wondering if there's a wiki I can point you at!

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Russ[]2306:

ah thanks for explaining multiplexers to me, i assume since that hasn't been suggested that it requires the input either be multichannel or somehow control the switching between cameras in a synced matter so it can pull 60 frames off 6 cameras in 10 seconds or something like that?

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gbee:

meh, never going to win one of these auctions, everyone else is willing to pay full retail price or higher

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Dr_willis:

Ebay loves idiots. :)

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juski:

Russ[]2306: from what I read on the samsung site about that PoS, it'll output each camera for a minimum of 5 seconds, going up to 30 secs' 'dwell' time

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gbee:

was hoping to pick up a couple of extra cards cheap :(

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juski:

jesus that essential mix was GASH!

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juski:

gbee: not had a true bargain on the fleabay for ages

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Russ[]2306:

default the dwell time is 3... should i go see how low i can get it? maybe half a second that would be a pipe dream but would get me what. only 20 frames per camera per minute.

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Russ[]2306:

that still sucks

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grndslm:

i need major help...what does this mean when trying to execute mythbackend? QServerSocket: failed to bind or listen to the socket

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grndslm:

2007-02–04 12:45:13.093 Failed to bind port 6543. Exiting.

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juski:

grndslm: prolly means it's already running

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gbee:

juski: it's certainly a lot harder to do now and it wasn't always easy before

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gbee:

just wish I had something to sell, could make a killing if this is any indication

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juski:

yeah people go OOOOOOOOOOO cheaper than PC Worlde!

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juski:

then there are the idiots who get sucked into 'the buzz' & just go mad

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juski:

I got over 60 quid for a 10 year old VHS machine last year

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gbee:

heh, as though that's any suprise, people don't believe me when I point out that some of the stuff in PC World is 4x or more the price I've paid online

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Russ[]2306:

juski: i can set the dwell time to 0 seconds

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grndslm:

hmm...juski, you were right again

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grndslm:

thanks!

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Fony_Vaio:

can't seem to find an option to hide tuner info when i change chans in live tv, is there a way to do it?

[18:49:03]

juski:

again? I've been right before?!

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grndslm:

only every time

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grndslm:

now to restart

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gbee:

Fony_Vaio: no, what version are you running though?

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Fony_Vaio:

gbee: .20?

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Fony_Vaio:

gbee: i don't mind it too much, but the mrs likes it simple, not tech blurb anywhere.

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gbee:

ah, well there isn't an option but IMHO it should have been added before 0.20 was released

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juski:

wouldn't mind so much if the numbers actually meant anything. thanks dvb drivers

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juski:

not that I use live tv mind you

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Fony_Vaio:

gbee: yeah, it'd look more like a production STB w/out any user-viewable tech info on tuning, etc.

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juski:

you can press a key if you wanna see it, so why show it every time? ;)

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Fony_Vaio:

juski: exactly

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gbee:

Fony_Vaio: you'd have to suggest to Daniel or someone that it's made optional – I'm used to it, but I can see that it's not really what you want to see on a stable box

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juski:

like the error message you get after 30 seconds.. "you should have gotten a lock by now". no shit, sherlock ;)

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Fony_Vaio:

gbee: i don't mind it, personally. but i can imagine kids or gf's would probably just see it as extra complication to using the tv.

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gbee:

it was added in response to a lot of people complaining that it was failing to tune for no 'visible' reason :)

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Russ[]2306:

but for a multiplexer you need a really high frequency of change right? if it changed cameras 6 times a second that would make 1 frame per second per camera, would a multiplexer work with that?

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Russ[]2306:

well never mind

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juski:

some flawed maths going on there

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gbee:

there is a delay between the start of tuning and the picture being displayed, it does help some people to see that tuning is making progress ;)

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Russ[]2306:

no wonder your ignoring me a 6 channel multiplexer is 100 dollars

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Russ[]2306:

1000

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Fony_Vaio:

on a side note, installed debian on my inspiron 6400. etch netinst went perfectly, a couple of little things (like wifi) were sorted within literally minutes after install. Myth frontend installed painlessly from debian-multimedia archives, connected to backend and streaming live tv over wifi w/out any issues at all.

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Russ[]2306:

yah, what the hell was i thinking there lol

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juski:

Russ[]2306: there are cheaper ones

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Fony_Vaio:

also, the commercial detection is great. wifey watched her first recorded episode of desperate housewives today and was v v pleased at not having to FF through any ads.

[18:56:32]

juski:

Fony_Vaio: on which channel? never bloody works for me

[18:56:38]

juski:

apart from on $ky One

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gbee:

doesn't work in the UK, at all

[18:57:09]

gbee:

well not in any of the experiments I've tried

[18:57:17]

juski:

I'm in the UK, and every recording I make from Sky One is perfectly flagged

[18:57:38]

Russ[]2306:

the cuircit looks fairly simple think you could build one at radio shack, or was that schematic i saw for one that can't do 6 channels or something

[18:57:43]

juski:

I think the trick is that the channel has a logo & they take the logo away for ad breaks

[18:58:21]

juski:

Russ[]2306: now you're getting carried away. see if you can return the samsung thing

[18:58:55]

juski:

gbee: star trek: TNG.. you hear a brief bit of the theme tune, then see a bit of the logo & it's the next part of the show

[18:59:09]

Russ[]2306:

yah im pretty add/obsessive so i go off and try stuff like this for fun.

[18:59:46]

gbee:

juski: what options are you using for the commflagger? (icon/blankscreen etc)

[19:00:26]

juski:

gbee: all, I think

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gbee:

I'll have to give it a more extensive try

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mofu:

anyone autostarting in blackbox ??

[19:03:13]

juski:

gah I hate editing qtlook.txt

[19:03:43]

gbee:

why on earth is UIListBtnTypeItem::getData a void?

[19:05:50]

gbee:

hmm, m_data is a void ... I'll pretend I understand that

[19:09:27]

juski:

Fony_Vaio: you've still not answered my question about which channel.. ;)

[19:18:43]

sebrock:

great sucess, I now have picture and sound in myth

[19:18:54]

sebrock:

unfortunately sound is very bad

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sebrock:

No idea why

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sebrock:

clever, are you there?

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clever:

yep

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clever:

but the thing is

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clever:

sebrock, are you there?

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sebrock:

yes

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sebrock:

clever, the sound is like "robot"-like

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Fony_Vaio:

sorry, had to go for a bit quickly. The commercial detection / auto-strip seemed to work for a recording on E4

[19:30:15]

clever:

what sound is robot like?

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sebrock:

the sound from tv

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clever:

ahh

[19:31:14]

clever:

could be distored or corrupt audio

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sebrock:

yes sound like it

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sebrock:

dont know what to do tho

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clever:

same here

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sebrock:

I can hear what they say, its just very bad

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sebrock:

oh you have the same problem?

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clever:

nope

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clever:

my audio and video are allmost exactly the same quality as when wired directly to the tv

[19:32:27]

clever:

except its delayed by 5–10 seconds

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juski:

cheers Fony_Vaio :)

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sebrock:

clever, well thats fine

[19:33:39]

Fony_Vaio:

juski, i will investigate a bit more if other ppl are having probs. I remember i did change some settings randomly before even testing it....

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sebrock:

Have to look into this later

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kormoc:

QuesarVII, please don't flood the channel, for large pastes, use a pastebin

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QuesarVII:

kormoc- how do I do a pastebin?

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kormoc:

QuesarVII, you go to it in a web browser, paste into the box, hit submit, it gives you a link, and you paste the link in here

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sebrock:

generally what should the sampling rate be?

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kormoc:

sebrock, whatever sounds good

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sebrock:

k thnx

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sebrock:

aslo kormoc I know Ive seen it before but cant find it now, where do I change deinterlacing stuff?

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kormoc:

in the frontend settigs

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QuesarVII:

here is the pastebin of my gdb output- http://pastebin.ca/340427

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sebrock:

ok one last: myth-setup complains about card0 has 3 as staring channel (but it does not exist), do you want to fix this?

[19:44:43]

sebrock:

I dont know what that means?

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QuesarVII:

this was generated by running myth in live tv and then using irsend from another shell

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Fony_Vaio:

sebrock, probably means you don't have a channel numbered "3" in your channel conf?

[19:46:18]

sebrock:

strange I do have that

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sebrock:

and it seems to work aswell

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Fony_Vaio:

sebrock, weird, try changing start chan to something else?

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sebrock:

I'll check

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QuesarVII:

kormoc – any ideas from my backtrace?

[19:49:33]

kormoc:

QuesarVII, nopers

[19:50:09]

zablalbaz:

anyone know how to tell mythtv to record shows in mpeg2 format by default?

[19:51:02]

QuesarVII:

zabla – you need to be using a hardware encoder

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** zablalbaz has a pvr150 – haupauuge **

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QuesarVII:

software encoding gives you the choices of mpeg4 or rtjpeg

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kormoc:

zablalbaz, then they are mpeg-2

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QuesarVII:

it should be doing it already then

[19:52:08]

zablalbaz:

the file command is reporting back this somefile.mpg: data

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kormoc:

zablalbaz, so?

[19:52:44]

zablalbaz:

neither avidemux or my windows software accepts that as legit when I try to edit them?

[19:52:45]

QuesarVII:

does it play with mplayer?

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zablalbaz:

yes

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zablalbaz:

mplayer works just fine

[19:52:58]

QuesarVII:

what does mplayer say for the codec info, etc?

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kormoc:

zablalbaz, it's likely cause it's a semi broken file, missing header info. You could use something like ffmpeg to fix it

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zablalbaz:

QuesarVII: mplayer reports back MPEG-PS file format – MPEG2 480x480

[19:55:20]

zablalbaz:

hmmm

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zablalbaz:

frustrating

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zablalbaz:

yeah....I'll just try the copy with mencoder and see what happens

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zablalbaz:

QuesarVII: I'll try that in a bit...right now I'm giving mythburn a shot at making the dvd for me

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Fony_Vaio:

are all the mpeg2 decoders of the same quality? is BOB the best deinterlace method? and i notice a field where i can specify custom filter commands, can any be used to post-process the video to enhance quality / remove artefacts?

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QuesarVII:

I've always just used nuvexport, but I use software encoding with mpeg4

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sebrock:

I've tried all samplerates, does not change the crappy audio

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sebrock:

how much should the cpu be going when using blackbird?

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Dagmar:

Fony_Vaio: Dude, use the manual record feature to record a three minute segment of video, which will transcode in about 10 minutes even if you get crazy, and run some experiments

[20:07:57]

Dagmar:

Seriously. It's dead easy.

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kormoc:

Fony_Vaio, when you're asking about if X is better then Y, remember, it's all subjective, some thing X, some Y, and most don't see a difference

[20:09:21]

kormoc:

Fony_Vaio, so really, just try all the options out and pick the one *you* like

[20:09:28]

Fony_Vaio:

kormoc, well, it definitely looked better in mce using windvd

[20:09:49]

Fony_Vaio:

i've tried all the decoders myth offers, wasn't sure if there were any pp filters

[20:10:01]

kormoc:

Fony_Vaio, have you just tried increasing the capture bitrate?

[20:10:12]

kormoc:

Fony_Vaio, as well as the capture res?

[20:10:21]

Dagmar:

There's a *lot* of options to play around with.

[20:10:49]

Dagmar:

..and there's no one "best" setting for everything.

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Dagmar:

Cartoons, for instance.

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Fony_Vaio:

kormoc, surely the cap bitrate is pre-determined by the provider of the dvb stream?

[20:11:27]

kormoc:

Fony_Vaio, ooh, for DVB, yes, you can't tweak

[20:11:29]

Dagmar:

An entirely different approach works best for them that would make regular live video look kind of sickly

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Fony_Vaio:

kormoc, and the capture res would simply upsample the image from 720x576

[20:11:57]

Fony_Vaio:

oh ok

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Dagmar:

Heck, clone the setup you were using with WinDVD

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Dagmar:

Match the res and the dscaler and so on

[20:13:09]

Dagmar:

This is opensource after all

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Dagmar:

Coders can do lots of things, but they kinda need a direction to go in

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Fony_Vaio:

yes, i'm using the same res, etc

[20:13:34]

Fony_Vaio:

but obviously the drivers and decoders are different, is all

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Fony_Vaio:

i'm quite happy with the quality, overall. I just wondered if there were any pp filters i was missing.

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weasie:

I have my mythbox hooked up to an HDTV at 1080i, however, it looks like mythfrontend things I am using a 4:3 aspect ratio becuase 4:3 content is "full screen" but squashed and 16:9 content doesn't take up the whole vertical section of screen! Any ideas?

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Mattwj2007:

good day all :)

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Dagmar:

man the more I look at this MePo thing's internals I want to email this guy and demand where he learned this stuff from

[20:36:14]

Dagmar:

Unless he's the guy who wrote the themer, I suspect he's stealing technology from the future and passing it off as his own

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Dagmar:

None of the other themes are using these tricks, and they're definitely not in any documentation I've come across.

[20:37:57]

gardengnome:

well, he says it took him a lot of time

[20:38:02]

AngryElf:

maybe he didn't want to document his elite skillz?

[20:38:11]

Dagmar:

I want to make some comment about using more than the natural 10% of his brain but I'm coming up with nothing that works.

[20:38:33]

Dagmar:

gardengnome: Damn him for figuring out how to make the XML parts work for him

[20:38:48]

flindet:

I'm not to sure about the sambo devil, though... ikes

[20:39:04]

Dagmar:

flindet: It kinda might as well be holding up a sign saying "Sue me"

[20:39:11]

flindet:

hahah

[20:39:23]

Dagmar:

But the rest... geez

[20:40:11]

Dagmar:

I'm gonna have to break out my dusty XML book and go through it again and see if there's some stuff that will maybe light up for me

[20:41:32]

Dagmar:

He seriously makes all the otehr themes look like crap when you're looking at them from the undercarriage

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Dagmar:

MePo's construction is like the opening line of the opera when we're all going "Fire hot! Me burn things!" in ours

[20:42:44]

Dagmar:

s/of the/of an/;

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Dagmar:

there are some bits that have me wondering what he was trying to work around tho'

[20:44:34]

Dagmar:

I really didn't need to see that gallery

[20:44:40]

Dagmar:

*despairs*

[20:44:43]

flindet:

sorry :-(

[20:45:08]

flindet:

you're offended?

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Dagmar:

No, I'm feeling rather like I have been drawing with broken crayons all morning tho

[20:45:44]

flindet:

haha.. you're an artist?

[20:46:11]

Dagmar:

Not often and not by trade, but I *am* good at doing technical illustrations and getting a computer to render what I want

[20:46:30]

Dagmar:

...but between that gallery and the way he built that theme I am feeling pretty severely outclassed.

[20:46:37]

flindet:

sweet. I wish I had that skill. :-/

[20:46:56]

flindet:

I hear ya. Some of these people are amazing

[20:47:03]

** gardengnome once played with blender for some time and tucket the results away where no-one will ever find them **

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flindet:

I'm sure he had LOTS of practice before getting that good

[20:47:34]

Dagmar:

I made a Playmobil drive-by shooting back when Autodesk 3D Animation Studio was in release 4

[20:50:13]

Dagmar:

Blender kinda has a hateful interface to learn

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gardengnome:

yes

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gardengnome:

heh

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Dagmar:

I don't much care for it when the mouse starts requiring both hands to use a program properly

[20:52:25]

gardengnome:

i once made a nice, shiny, mirror-ish sphere and only added some lights. the result was a black globe

[20:52:44]

gardengnome:

i never understood why that happened till i understood that mirrors need something they can reflect..

[20:52:50]

Dagmar:

Cuz it was only reflecting the darkness in your soul. ;)

[20:53:22]

Dagmar:

I had a craptacular raytracer on my C-64 that I wrote

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: then it'd have made my CRT implode. AFTER sucking my head in there

[20:53:39]

Dagmar:

,,,and craptacular is really as good as it gets when your output is on a c-64

[20:55:13]

Dagmar:

I kinda couldn't escape realizing mirrored surfaces needed something to reflect to

[20:55:42]

Dagmar:

Three objects, a resolution about on the order of an IM icon for output, and it took 26 hours to run

[20:55:51]

gardengnome:

it's so obvious. it made my slap me head, kind of

[20:56:08]

Dagmar:

Lighting is the most evil part of CGI, IMHO

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kormoc:

Dagmar, my c64 had a res of 320x240 ;P

[20:56:37]

kormoc:

if I'm remembering right...

[20:56:48]

Dagmar:

kormoc: Do you remember what you had to do to get more than two colors per 8x8 chunk of that tho?

[20:57:08]

Dagmar:

EVen it's "high-color" output was abysmal

[20:57:08]

kormoc:

Dagmar, nopers, never got that deep into it so long ago

[20:57:24]

Dagmar:

Well, I mean basically you *didn't* get to use more than two of the 16 colors

[20:57:48]

Dagmar:

I had some ways to approximate 256 colors by doing a lot of page flipping and using whole character cells

[20:58:39]

Dagmar:

..but my idea was basiclaly just to test some trigonometry I'd learned.

[20:59:13]

Dagmar:

It was nifty at the time I swear

[20:59:18]

** gardengnome got to grow up with windows 98 on x86 cpus. **

[20:59:29]

Dagmar:

but then you could also print out a map of the Internet and put it on your bedroom wall then, too.

[20:59:33]

gardengnome:

sometimes i wish i was born earlier. ;)

[21:00:04]

Dagmar:

...and when your ears stopped ringing from the printer... ;)

[21:00:43]

** QuesarVII started out with an 8088 running DOS 1.0 **

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Dagmar:

I had a gf complain my laser printer was too noisy for her tastes once.

[21:00:57]

Dagmar:

I about fell out.

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kormoc:

QuesarVII, my first computer was a Vic 20, with 20k of ram

[21:01:37]

kormoc:

Dagmar, heh, nice

[21:01:52]

Dagmar:

Kormoc knows the quixotic joy of the 9-pin dot matrix squirrel chopper

[21:01:53]

QuesarVII:

heh, and I thought my 256k was bad!

[21:02:34]

kormoc:

Dagmar, oh yeah... I've used to print reams of paper out for my school on my 9 pin dot matrix bastard printer from hell

[21:02:34]

Dagmar:

The daisywheel printer I got for college some of you would think was satan reincarnated if you were trying to sleep anywhere nearby

[21:02:53]

Dagmar:

Printouts still slightly smelling of lighter fluid

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QuesarVII:

my old dot matrix was a beast too..

[21:03:13]

Dagmar:

What am I saying

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Dagmar:

I would have been happy to have nine pins

[21:03:24]

Dagmar:

We were stuck with seven

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gardengnome:

back in the day, when rubber boots were made from leather..

[21:04:38]

Dagmar:

I suppose the saving grace of it was that the things were so crude you could actually rebuild the print head yourself if need be

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juski:

Dagmar: I'm having trouble setting title images for some menus now

[21:05:27]

Dagmar:

juski: Like they're not showing up or what?

[21:05:36]

juski:

they're not showing up. no errors either

[21:05:47]

Dagmar:

I've stuck placeholder graphics in most of the spots on mine so I can see where the heck they wind up when I'm flipping through menus

[21:05:50]

juski:

<image mode="MENU_SEARCH_WORDS">title/title_search.png</image>

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Dagmar:

Are you using techniques borrowed from MePo? There may be draw order issues

[21:06:15]

juski:

titles should be drawn on top of the background

[21:06:26]

juski:

all the other titles I have already work

[21:07:03]

Dagmar:

Interesting. I don't have a MENU_SEARCH_WORDS token at all

[21:07:04]

Dagmar:

erk

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juski:

in mepo's theme.xml he's got <image mode="MENU_SEARCH_WORDS">title/title_search.png</image>

[21:07:35]

juski:

that doesn't work either

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QuesarVII:

what's MePo?

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Dagmar:

Grep just fessed that one up to me

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Dagmar:

A theme that has us green with envy

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juski:

though in my theme.xml the menu is defined as 'TV_SEARCH_WORDS" – that doesn't work either

[21:08:31]

juski:

MePo is a theme you're not gonna see in 4:3.. muhahahahaha muhahahahahahahaha

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jduggan:

4:3?

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jduggan:

that still exists?

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hardnova:

helo

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jduggan:

:O

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juski:

jduggan: yeah every time I do a theme folks whine there's no 4:3 version so I bow to requests

[21:09:24]

juski:

not this time though, oh no

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jduggan:

aah

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Dagmar:

MENU_SEARCH_WORDS does not exist in the 0.20-fixes code

[21:09:33]

jduggan:

tell them its quicker to buy a 16:9

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QuesarVII:

my tv's still 4:3

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clever:

having trouble getting my joystick to work in mplayer when mplayer is ran by mythtv

[21:09:41]

Dagmar:

TV_SEARCH_WORDS does tho

[21:10:05]

clever:

im suspecting the fact that mythtv isnt a member of the plugdev group which owns the js0 device

[21:10:09]

QuesarVII:

can't convince the wife $1000 for what I want is worth it

[21:10:11]

Dagmar:

Odd I never noticed themes/button_types.txt before

[21:12:03]

juski:

Dagmar: trying the default menu style now

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hardnova:

look if you people arent going to talk to me well your just wasting space on my screen

[21:12:43]

Dagmar:

I'm going to go back to drawing my sad little graphics and try not to think about it

[21:13:01]

Dagmar:

harnova: Double-click the titlebar and we take up much less space

[21:13:18]

gardengnome:

"wasting space on my screen"

[21:13:24]

gardengnome:

now THAT's attitude.

[21:14:08]

juski:

hardnova: you're wasting server bandwidth

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gardengnome:

and air

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juski:

I can fix that if you like

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gardengnome:

;)

[21:14:30]

hardnova:

right

[21:14:38]

Dagmar:

What the hell is Uae?

[21:14:53]

juski:

fix my problem now! or I will thcream and thcweam and THCWEAM!

[21:14:57]

QuesarVII:

I just checked out MePo. It looks nice. Do you know if it's wide screen only?

[21:15:05]

juski:

QuesarVII: wide only

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kormoc:

hardnova, look, we don't care if you're here or not, wen't not paid to be here, and we help out cause we want to. So you threatening to leave doesn't matter one iota to us.

[21:15:08]

jduggan:

juski: you got an oline? ;p

[21:15:08]

Dagmar:

QuesarVII: It'll probably auto-rescale fine

[21:15:25]

juski:

ya boo sucks. your home may be reposessed if you fail to keep up repayments etc etc

[21:15:29]

Dagmar:

Actually I thought hardnova was being sarcastic there

[21:15:55]

hardnova:

lol

[21:15:59]

Dagmar:

Google seems to think Universal Arcade Emulator

[21:16:16]

Dagmar:

Not exactly a fair question to be asking in a MythTV channel, but it's at least an interesting question

[21:16:17]

hardnova:

your all nuts

[21:16:36]

Dagmar:

I will have you know sir, that I am cashews!

[21:16:47]

kormoc:

hardnova, nah, we're tired of people bitching at us cause we don't know it all *now*

[21:16:49]

hardnova:

lol

[21:16:55]

juski:

oh man who can stand to use the classic menu theme? arghh!

[21:17:10]

Dagmar:

I like my Watch TV button where I can find it, thank you

[21:17:27]

hardnova:

i have a theory on whats going on but no way to test it

[21:17:38]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o juski

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juski:

muhahaha

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** kormoc laughs **

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o juski

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kormoc:

hardnova, do you have a window manager?

[21:18:46]

Dagmar:

You *might* find it easier to work around the issue by going into your BIOS and turning on "Legacy USB support" although I think the kernel kinda kicks that out of the way now

[21:18:50]

juski:

I need to commit how to do that to my memory incase I ever really need it

[21:19:01]

hardnova:

though when i exit uae im not in the same place so im thinking the keystokes are still going into myth and the keyboard focus is not on uae

[21:19:12]

Dagmar:

Very likely.

[21:19:24]

Dagmar:

If you don't have a window manager that can happen when a second window appears on the display

[21:19:25]

gardengnome:

are you using a window manager?

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Dagmar:

X only stays "fixated" on Myth without a WM because it's the only thing that can possibly have focus

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hardnova:

its just in myth

[21:20:03]

juski:

anyway I'm off to have a bath. I stink. Gonna take projectgrayhem with me cos it stinks too

[21:20:12]

kormoc:

hardnova, do you have a window manager or not?

[21:20:21]

hardnova:

im not sure what the window manager your talking about ?

[21:20:33]

Dagmar:

fluxbox, blackbox, windowmaker, that sort of thing

[21:20:44]

kormoc:

hardnova, xfce, kde, gnome, lwm, etc

[21:20:49]

Dagmar:

If you have X just launching mythfrontend directly, you're not starting a window manager

[21:20:57]

hardnova:

well umm i dont know what they are

[21:21:09]

kormoc:

well, you *need* one to fix your issue

[21:21:20]

hardnova:

yea X just is launching mythfrontend

[21:21:41]

Dagmar:

Yeah, get something lightweight like Blackbox or Fluxbox and have it start, then start mythfrontend

[21:21:48]

Dagmar:

It *should* fix your problem

[21:22:42]

Dagmar:

Fluxbox is a fork of Blackbox and it has virtually zero dependencies and is pathetically tiny

[21:22:54]

livingtm:

i used fluxbuntu on a low end machine with mythfrontend

[21:22:56]

Dagmar:

So, um, no memory hogging issues there

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livingtm:

its not terrible. memory wasnt the issue so much as cpu

[21:25:21]

hardnova:

-> xvattr is that a window manager ?

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gbee:

no

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** kormoc blinks **

[21:26:20]

gbee:

it's a utility for setting/grabbing xv settings (or attributes)

[21:26:25]

kormoc:

hardnova, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_manager#P . . . dow_managers

[21:26:47]

hardnova:

is there some examble of using fluxbox in the ,xinitrc ?

[21:27:47]

QuesarVII:

I use blackbox

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QuesarVII:

probably similar

[21:28:02]

QuesarVII:

i think fluxbox was a fork of blackbox anyway

[21:28:30]

QuesarVII:

export PATH=$PATH:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/local/bin

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QuesarVII:

export HOME=/root

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QuesarVII:

#nvtv -S NTSC -r 640,480 -C SVIDEO -t -s normal

[21:28:30]

QuesarVII:

/usr/bin/blackbox &

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QuesarVII:

/usr/bin/bbkeys &

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QuesarVII:

/usr/X11R6/bin/xset -dpms

[21:28:33]

QuesarVII:

/usr/X11R6/bin/xset s off

[21:28:35]

QuesarVII:

/usr/bin/xterm -e mythfrontwrap &

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QuesarVII:

#/usr/bin/xterm -e irxwrap &

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QuesarVII:

/usr/bin/xterm -ls

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kormoc:

QuesarVII, don't flood the channel, last warning...

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gardengnome:

!trout QuesarVII

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** MythLogBot slaps QuesarVII with a trout on behalf of gardengnome... **

[21:29:03]

gardengnome:

7exec -o cat /boot/vmlinuz*

[21:29:05]

QuesarVII:

it was only 10 lines

[21:29:11]

gardengnome:

"only"

[21:29:13]

kormoc:

QuesarVII, it's still too much

[21:29:18]

Dagmar:

Anything over three needs to go into a pastebin, dude

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gardengnome:

do you realize there are people talking in here?

[21:30:00]

gardengnome:

when you're, say, in class, do you stand up and fart: "hey, it was only 10 octaves"? ;)

[21:30:12]

Dagmar:

Decibels

[21:30:22]

Dagmar:

If it was 10 octaves you're a mouse

[21:30:23]

QuesarVII:

and there are people asking for help... i was providing it

[21:30:25]

hardnova:

kormoc thats in french

[21:30:33]

Dagmar:

A mouse with a very tight ass.

[21:30:50]

QuesarVII:

and 10 decibels isn't even audible, so that's stupid anyway

[21:30:50]

kormoc:

QuesarVII, we don't mind you providing help, just toss it in a pastebin and link to it if it's over 3 lines. Channel rule.

[21:31:03]

Dagmar:

It's audible. You're just not listening close enough

[21:31:20]

Dagmar:

3 lines is kind of the de-facto limit for most of Freenet

[21:31:30]

QuesarVII:

10db? sorry, but you make that much noise exhaling

[21:31:56]

Dagmar:

Some of us have never suffered any hearing loss

[21:32:02]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: i meant, changing within 10 octaves

[21:32:23]

Dagmar:

The high keys on a piano are guess how many octaves up

[21:32:34]

Dagmar:

Nearby dogs would probably hear you fart just fine.

[21:32:39]

Dagmar:

;)

[21:33:06]

hardnova:

do i still need – > xset -dpms s off

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hardnova:

xsetroot -solid black

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hardnova:

xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 66048

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hardnova:

sorry

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Dagmar:

QuesarVII: After awhile hardcore geeks also tend to develop the ability to hear white noise with uncanny clarity, too

[21:33:46]

Dagmar:

Put a proper geek in a room full of computers and he can tell you in moments if a fan is about to fail somewhere

[21:33:59]

gardengnome:

i thought everyone can do that

[21:34:03]

Dagmar:

heheh

[21:34:07]

Dagmar:

Nope.

[21:34:10]

gardengnome:

oh

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gardengnome:

buncha insensitive bastards

[21:34:24]

kormoc:

hardnova, likely you do

[21:34:28]

jjoseph:

"a proper geek" I like it, i'm thinking that's a future membership name somewhere...

[21:34:37]

livingtm:

anyone know offhand how much hard drive a knoppmyth front end uses?

[21:34:49]

kormoc:

livingtm, can be none

[21:35:03]

livingtm:

kormoc, i assume you can install to a HD

[21:35:03]

QuesarVII:

i can tell fans failing etc too, but the decibel level there is much higher

[21:35:08]

Dagmar:

The nice girl who was the property manager in SF was slightly freaked out when we showed her our setup and I noticed a fan failing and went to the Wall O' Computers and grabbed the right one with the proper replacement already in my hand

[21:35:11]

QuesarVII:

i can tell you if a monitor is on or not by sound

[21:35:18]

kormoc:

livingtm, Sure can, but that I donno how much it'd use

[21:35:25]

livingtm:

hm

[21:35:30]

QuesarVII:

here is a wikipedia link that shows 10db is human breathing at 3m: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decibel#Safety

[21:35:45]

livingtm:

im wondering if its small enough to boot onto a flashdrive

[21:35:56]

Dagmar:

Yeah

[21:36:01]

livingtm:

since harddrive and fan noise suck on a mythfrontend

[21:36:01]

Dagmar:

Doing it on a flashdrive brings in problems all on it's own tho

[21:36:06]

livingtm:

yeah?

[21:36:14]

kormoc:

livingtm, well, you could fit it on a cd, so any flashdrive of the same size or larger should work

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Dagmar:

Especially considering that you can easily obtain 2Gb and 4Gb flash drives now

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livingtm:

what are the flah issues

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livingtm:

flash

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QuesarVII:

1 is that you'll need to use something like jffs if you want write support without killing the drive

[21:37:45]

Dagmar:

That you can't really expect to use them like a hard drive and not have them die in a year or two for one thing

[21:38:01]

QuesarVII:

2, that some systems still have problems booting from usb keys

[21:38:07]

Dagmar:

That's a BIG one

[21:38:09]

hardnova:

and people use this fluxbox with myth ?

[21:38:23]

Dagmar:

hardnova: I'm a purist so I use Blackbox, but basically they're the same

[21:38:29]

Dagmar:

It's about 300K in size.

[21:38:29]

QuesarVII:

hardnova – I use blackbox, but yes, that's been my setup for a very long time

[21:39:08]

QuesarVII:

if you do a read only method for the usb flash and use nfs for writing, etc, your usb flash should last a good long time

[21:39:14]

hardnova:

so do i need to set up some comand line options to make it esential invisible ?

[21:39:14]

Dagmar:

yep

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livingtm:

dag what writing is done on a frontend? is the livetv buffer local to the frontend?

[21:39:26]

Dagmar:

livingtm: Nope.

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Dagmar:

Disks are wherever you want them to be man

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Dagmar:

This is what NFS and CIFS (if you're a punter) are good for

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aerolife:

hi

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livingtm:

right

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Dagmar:

LiveTV is recorded where everything else recording-like takes place anyway... the backend

[21:40:08]

QuesarVII:

you can set up a small root filesystem on the usb flash, just to boot from, and then use nfs for everything else

[21:40:26]

livingtm:

QuesarVII, yeah i was thinking along those lines

[21:40:29]

QuesarVII:

you could likely just network boot too, provided support from the bios

[21:40:30]

Dagmar:

You couuld probably put the whole of /usr and /var on a flashdisk as well if you felt like it

[21:40:51]

Dagmar:

...although /var would probably be better off in a small ramdisk

[21:40:55]

QuesarVII:

with network booting, I suggest having plenty of ram, and just using a large initrd for a minimal root filesystem

[21:41:04]

livingtm:

hmm, ive never dine a network boot. i dont know whats involved, but i like the idea

[21:41:14]

Dagmar:

It's a right bitch compared to booting off a flash disk

[21:41:20]

livingtm:

hehe

[21:41:21]

Dagmar:

...and even more finicky about hardware

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QuesarVII:

no way!

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Dagmar:

I do network booting here. It's not fun.

[21:41:39]

clever:

id like to get netbooting working just for the fun of it:P

[21:41:39]

QuesarVII:

I network boot systems every day at work

[21:41:41]

livingtm:

it would make sense if you had a media "system".. front ends boot off of the backend

[21:41:47]

QuesarVII:

that's how we install all of the software on our clusters

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clever:

but the grun-netboot sources i need to test with it i cant find

[21:41:55]

Dagmar:

QuesarVII: You're using specifically selected hardware tho

[21:42:01]

QuesarVII:

all sorts of different boards come through, and netowrk booting works great

[21:42:04]

QuesarVII:

nope

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Dagmar:

QuesarVII: NOt every run-of-the-mill motherboard and network card will let you get away with it

[21:42:13]

QuesarVII:

our network boot works with pretty much anything

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clever:

i cant even get wol to work atm

[21:42:40]

QuesarVII:

as long as you have network booting support, I guarantee you I can make it work in less than a half hour

[21:42:41]

Dagmar:

clever: WOL requires BIOS support, a network card with the happy little connector, and you knowing what to send over the network

[21:42:42]

hardnova:

i guess i have to start mythfrontend somewhere else now ?

[21:42:51]

clever:

ive managed to get the wol packet to pass thru my router without the box there to accept the arp

[21:42:56]

clever:

and wol is turned on in every posible place

[21:42:56]

Dagmar:

hardnova: No you can probably pretty easily get it booting and running from a thumbdrive

[21:42:59]

clever:

with on board eth

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QuesarVII:

you don't necessarily need the connector for wol

[21:43:09]

QuesarVII:

it can be done right through the pci slot if the board supports it

[21:43:18]

clever:

ive tryed everything on every pc which supports it

[21:43:33]

Dagmar:

You're likely doing something ever-so-slightly wrong with the wake-up packet

[21:43:39]

Dagmar:

...or you're shutting the machine down wrong.

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clever:

only thing thats so far remotely worked is i could wake a pc out of standby thru the network

[21:43:44]

QuesarVII:

have you enabled wol from within the os?

[21:43:57]

hardnova:

Dagmar ? thumbdrive ?? im talking about the .xinitrc

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QuesarVII:

run ethtool on the device and let me know the output in regards to wol

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clever:

cant wake from a full shutdown

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juski:

clever: via rhine by any chance?

[21:44:26]

QuesarVII:

i found that using ethtool can fix that problem, what is it's output?

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Dagmar:

hardnova: Oh that is *very* forgiving. You can start mythfrontend first or you can start the wm first. It doesn't much matter as long as either of them is the one that keeps X from exiting

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clever:

ive been testing it on windows pc's mostly

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Dagmar:

via rhine chips are a bit wonko

[21:44:51]

juski:

I haven't been able to wake my epia frontend with WoL for ages, since minimyth 0.19something

[21:45:12]

juski:

the kernel goes a bit spazzy when you shut it down apparently

[21:45:16]

Dagmar:

I've got two boards you never want to unplug while they're working because you have to do a weird thing with a proper shutdown before the sucker will work again

[21:45:32]

Dagmar:

The stupid chip stays in sleep mode

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clever:

QuesarVII: pasted to pm

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hardnova:

still no keyboard :(

[21:45:44]

Dagmar:

...or at least that's the best I can figure of what it's doing

[21:45:45]

juski:

it might have more to do with ACPI or whatever

[21:46:12]

** gardengnome is gonna complain to the cable company now about "free" channels being encrypted. **

[21:46:15]

juski:

off-topic – anybody listened to that Dylan radio show?

[21:46:27]

QuesarVII:

for the network boot stuff – quick howto is set up dhcp to use next-server to go to tftp server and sets file to pxelinux.bin. tftp server gives pxelinux.bin, pxelinux.bin reads pxelinux.cfg/default, gets kernel and parameters and initrd. system mounts your custom made initrd and runs from there

[21:46:30]

juski:

was wondering if *anyone* can understand wtf he's saying

[21:46:32]

clever:

QuesarVII: when i run ethtool on my 1.6ghz i see this line

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clever:

Supports Wake-on: pumbg

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Dagmar:

QuesarVII: Oh you are using a bootstrap disk then

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Dagmar:

I'm not

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clever:

Dagmar: ive thought of making a bootstraping floppy with grub-netboot but i cant find a copy of it

[21:47:17]

QuesarVII:

try using "ethtool -s eth0 wol g" to enable wol from magic packet, then power off and try wol

[21:47:39]

clever:

that 1.6ghz is my main server so i cant just shut it off to test

[21:47:40]

QuesarVII:

dag – no. the network boot starts from the dhcp server

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gardengnome:

there's no such thing like a "quick howto" "for the network boot stuff". ;)

[21:47:51]

clever:

give me a min to livecd my dads computer

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QuesarVII:

the server has some entries for next-server and filename to boot to.

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Dagmar:

QuesarVII: You're definitely working with newer and more featureful boards than the ones I have here then

[21:48:08]

QuesarVII:

the first filename is pxelinux.bin, which is the bootloader.

[21:48:17]

Dagmar:

Most of mine didn't say *squat* on the network when first powered up

[21:48:18]

QuesarVII:

that then jumps to load your kernel and initrd image

[21:48:29]

QuesarVII:

it works even with old stuff

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Dagmar:

Yes, I'm quite aware of how it works. I did wayyyy too much work with Solaris at one of my jobs

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** sandeen reads the listings for today... "Title: Superbowl, Category: Sports non-event" :) **

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clever:

QuesarVII: one of the n00b mistakes i was doing with wol at first with my dads laptop

[21:49:02]

Dagmar:

QuesarVII: No the board definitely has to show an interest in sending out that first query

[21:49:06]

clever:

thru wifi

[21:49:19]

clever:

then i hard wired it directly to a linux box using its wired card

[21:49:22]

QuesarVII:

right, that's why i said as long as it has network boot support, it will work

[21:49:23]

clever:

which had a diff mac:P

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Dagmar:

QuesarVII: Which is why I was saying it won't work with "just any old stuff"

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clever:

so i was sending the wol for the wifi mac into the wired port

[21:49:47]

juski:

Dagmar: from mythcenter-wide (sic): <image mode="SEARCH">title/title_search.png</image>

[21:49:58]

juski:

pretty sure I tried that though

[21:49:59]

clever:

brb

[21:50:02]

hardnova:

someone needs to make a text editor in windows with vi commands

[21:50:20]

juski:

hardnova: well done, you just nominated yourself. look forward to seeing it!

[21:50:29]

hardnova:

lol

[21:50:38]

gardengnome:

use cygwin?

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juski:

hardnova: ssh into your linux machine

[21:50:45]

Dagmar:

hardnova: What's wrong with just using vim?

[21:50:58]

Dagmar:

hardnova: You need to go download the wonder that is Cygwin/X, mam

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QuesarVII:

If I pop an appropriate $10 network card into my old celeron 300, it network boots without a problem.

[21:51:08]

Dagmar:

It makes WinXp boxes livable for unix folk

[21:51:30]

clever:

QuesarVII: booting livecd on my dads pc

[21:51:34]

hardnova:

ive installed Cygwin/X for clients it doesnt realy thrill me

[21:51:36]

Dagmar:

QuesarVII: Try it with an NE2000 with no boot prom.

[21:51:38]

clever:

that will let me run ethtool there to test it

[21:51:50]

Dagmar:

hardnova: Yet you can get bash and vim with it's installer, no problem

[21:51:57]

livingtm:

Cygwin? Nah, the only thing that makes windows workable is a linux install disk

[21:51:57]

Dagmar:

I use OpenSSH at work instead of PuTTY half the time

[21:52:01]

clever:

hardnova: ive installed cygwin/X once to see what it could do

[21:52:16]

livingtm:

i removed cygwin and installed xming

[21:52:18]

juski:

QuesarVII: does your bootloader have a driver for the NIC you're trying to use?

[21:52:19]

QuesarVII:

dag – sure, give me a boot rom for the one i have, and i'll boot with it

[21:52:21]

livingtm:

and putty

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livingtm:

then i installed linux and havent looked back :-)

[21:52:50]

QuesarVII:

juski – it's just pxelinux. you can get it from the syslinux package. it's worked with every network device i've tried, including old stuff

[21:52:52]

Dagmar:

QuesarVII: This is coming down to one thing. You're using equipment which can all boot from the network. Only about half my stuff could when I started

[21:53:30]

Dagmar:

Heck when I initially started working with Linux damn near nothing could netboot

[21:53:42]

clever:

my old laptop doesnt seem to have wol but the theP4 desktop does seem to have it

[21:53:42]

QuesarVII:

whatever man.. I'm talking about anything made in the last 6 or so years.. i thinks that's pretty reasonable

[21:53:46]

juski:

QuesarVII: I just mentioned it because when I first started out going diskless I remember I had a choice of files to use

[21:54:04]

QuesarVII:

etherboot works that way

[21:54:09]

QuesarVII:

pxelinux is much easier

[21:54:20]

clever:

QuesarVII: could a panic'ed kernel detect a wol packet in some way?

[21:54:34]

Dagmar:

clever: A panicked kernel can't even wipe the drool off it's chinm

[21:54:36]

QuesarVII:

etherboot needs a custom boot image for each and every network device type

[21:54:48]

QuesarVII:

clever – you could just try setting panic=reboot

[21:54:56]

clever:

that would also do

[21:55:02]

QuesarVII:

as a kernel option. then it will reboot automatically if it panics

[21:55:08]

clever:

but does the magic sysrq keys work in a panic'ed kernel?

[21:55:21]

clever:

those i think work even if init is killed

[21:55:28]

clever:

one of the keys can even be used to kill init

[21:55:31]

kormoc:

clever, yes, due to them being ungodly special

[21:55:41]

Dagmar:

You can kill init yourself any time you please

[21:55:46]

Dagmar:

I just wouldn't recommend doing it

[21:55:51]

clever:

lol

[21:55:58]

clever:

one of the cmds for telinit

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QuesarVII:

a panicked kernel doesn't always respond to sysrq

[21:56:02]

clever:

is for init to exec itself

[21:56:13]

clever:

would that be relative to the current root?

[21:56:25]

clever:

or would it use the current binary allready in ram

[21:56:32]

Dagmar:

Should be relative to it's root, since it's exec'ing itself

[21:56:43]

clever:

and pivot_root would change ALL roots

[21:56:44]

kormoc:

QuesarVII, nah, if it's only a kernel panic, it'll work fine... if the kernel setup the hardware in a strange set and then paniced, then they won't work, but that's hardware preventing it, not software

[21:56:58]

juski:

Dagmar: got it!

[21:57:18]

clever:

so telling init to exec itself would be usefull in a bootscript to upgrade away from a weak but small initrd init durring the bootup

[21:57:19]

QuesarVII:

yeah, I think all the times it hasn't worked it's been hardware failure of some sort

[21:57:21]

juski:

this is some weird undocumented inheritance thing or something

[21:57:33]

Dagmar:

juski: XML is fun like that

[21:57:46]

Dagmar:

juski: It may help a little to look at the xml files in the mythtv source

[21:57:48]

Dagmar:

I was doing that earlier

[21:57:49]

juski:

the more I fiddle with neon-wide the more I think mepo-wide's creator must've been on the source

[21:57:54]

clever:

brb

[21:57:55]

juski:

reading it, 24/7 or something

[21:58:03]

kormoc:

ooh?

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Dagmar:

Oh I know he was definitely using the source and probably looking through the XML parser itself

[21:58:18]

juski:

it's frickin' textbook stuff

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Dagmar:

...or, and this would kill me, just blindly writing as if it were pure XML and hacking around the broken bits

[21:58:43]

juski:

hahaha I don't think so

[21:58:46]

clever:

back

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clever:

on the livecd sys now

[21:59:13]

juski:

anyway Dagmar the story is, tv_search_words didn't work

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** clever pokes at ethtool **

[21:59:29]

Dagmar:

Several of the things he does are not being handled in myththemedmenu.cpp at all

[21:59:42]

Dagmar:

TV_SEARCH_WORDS should do something

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clever:

Supports Wake-on: pumbg

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clever:

:D

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juski:

I've got <image mode="SEARCH"> first, then followed by <image mode="WORDS"> on the next line and finally <image mode="LISTS"> on the next

[22:00:09]

** clever runs the cmd QuesarVII gave and does a proper shutdown of the box **

[22:00:22]

juski:

it was the first 'search' definition that clinched it

[22:00:38]

juski:

so fark knows what's going on there

[22:00:39]

Dagmar:

Now we find out what happens when people run commands as root that they got from people on IRC without checking the man pages first.

[22:00:39]

Dagmar:

;)

[22:00:55]

clever:

QuesarVII: cant find it:P

[22:00:59]

clever:

what was it?

[22:01:06]

QuesarVII:

your device is eth0, right?

[22:01:09]

juski:

Dagmar: TV_SEARCH_WORDS did squat, & I dunno why

[22:01:10]

QuesarVII:

ethtool -s eth0 wol g

[22:01:11]

clever:

eth1 on this box

[22:01:16]

QuesarVII:

so use eth1 instead

[22:01:26]

clever:

done

[22:01:43]

clever:

doing a proper and normal shutdown of the livecd and then im going to try and wol it

[22:01:43]

juski:

anyway I'll submit this to my repository & call it quits for today

[22:02:18]

QuesarVII:

clever – if this does fix it for you, you'll likely need to put the command in your startup scripts to run on every boot

[22:02:46]

grndslm:

anybody seen a better frontend theme than project grayhem??

[22:02:53]

hardnova:

yea ok the fluxbox thing has solved the keybaord issue.. thanks

[22:02:57]

kormoc:

G.N.A.T

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clever:

QuesarVII: its an xp box

[22:03:14]

xris:

grndslm: blootube

[22:03:15]

juski:

grndslm: yeah my new one but it's not out yet

[22:03:16]

grndslm:

not a big fan of g.n.a.t

[22:03:20]

clever:

was just using a linux livecd to confirm that the hardware can do it

[22:03:20]

grndslm:

blootube, hmm...

[22:03:32]

clever:

and how to wake it remotely?

[22:03:36]

xris:

kormoc: the funy thing about that is that the PG creator HATES G.A.N.T. :)

[22:03:39]

Dagmar:

juski: Betcha it's being stomped by something in tv_settings.xml if you have it

[22:03:39]

** juski resists pimping neon-wide yet again **

[22:03:46]

grndslm:

juski: well, how much longer are you gonna make me wait?

[22:03:51]

QuesarVII:

I don't know how to fix it in XP, but the linux method will tell you if you can ever get it working

[22:03:58]

juski:

grndslm: that's it. I'm not gonna release it

[22:03:58]

xris:

juski: you need to get an opengl affect to make the neon flicker. :)

[22:04:04]

QuesarVII:

use wakeonlan

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grndslm:

aww....

[22:04:12]

QuesarVII:

I'll get you a link in a sec

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juski:

any 4:3 begging letters will go straight in the bin too

[22:04:26]

hardnova:

now i just need to figure out some way to get the uae process to die

[22:04:29]

kormoc:

xris, heh, it's so simple and grey and nice tho :P

[22:04:37]

Dagmar:

wouldn't it be nice if there were controls on the pulser then

[22:04:47]

juski:

I don't think I ever said I hate G.A.N.T.

[22:04:57]

QuesarVII:

ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/gentoo/distfiles/wakeonlan-0.41.tar.gz

[22:05:09]

xris:

kormoc: not what I'd call simple.. I actually don't mind it all that much. I do like juski's themes better,though

[22:05:09]

hardnova:

i like G.A.N.T

[22:05:18]

juski:

I can appreciate the work that went into it, unlike some other (cough! leafers-wide) themes I could mention

[22:05:21]

gardengnome:

i like iulius because of its small memory footprint ;)

[22:05:30]

xris:

juski: it was just the first theme you mentioned wanting to get rid of when you were offered maintainership of the themes. :)

[22:05:58]

juski:

Dagmar: have you seen leafers-wide? I'm using that as my argument for making themes harder to do

[22:06:11]

Dagmar:

juski: URL?

[22:06:18]

clever:

the packet from the wol website got thru my router and was sent properly to my whole lan

[22:06:18]

QuesarVII:

to use wakeonlan when you have multiple network interfaces, make sure to use -i <broadcast address of device you want>

[22:06:22]

juski:

xris: I was kidding, mostly because somebody said they liked blootube almost as much as gant lol

[22:06:31]

clever:

QuesarVII: i used a script on a website

[22:06:34]

QuesarVII:

ok

[22:06:38]

clever:

and my router is set to forward to .255

[22:06:49]

juski:

http://cscl.alasu.edu/MYTHTV/Leafers-wide-screenshot.jpg

[22:06:49]

QuesarVII:

cool

[22:06:51]

clever:

which seems to work at broadcasting without a system to answer the arp

[22:06:57]

Dagmar:

ARGH

[22:07:01]

Dagmar:

Hehehe

[22:07:07]

clever:

brb checking that its on

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[22:07:12]

Dagmar:

Okay yes the Qt stuff is very happy to make itself hideous

[22:07:19]

clever:

yep it booted

[22:07:22]

clever:

at the xp login screen:)

[22:07:23]

QuesarVII:

cool

[22:07:23]

kormoc:

juski, you makde my brain hurt

[22:07:39]

clever:

now i know the hardware can do it

[22:07:41]

xris:

juski: you win.

[22:07:47]

Dagmar:

Hey look ,here's someone who's almost figured out how to do bump-mapping properly

[22:07:49]

grndslm:

every wide version on juski's site is the best 3 themes

[22:07:51]

Dagmar:

Almost.

[22:07:52]

clever:

so now i can focus on getting xp to do it right

[22:07:58]

grndslm:

*or are

[22:08:04]

QuesarVII:

try digging around in the network settings for the device. I'm not sure exactly where though, I rarely use windows

[22:08:06]

juski:

the guy announced it on the ML & I tried to be nice. went very quiet after that

[22:08:33]

grndslm:

i'll have to switch to neon-wide since i'm tired of project grayhem

[22:08:45]

juski:

when it's out...

[22:08:48]

juski:

if...

[22:08:48]

Dagmar:

Ah it's nothing a Basic Principles of Color class coulnd't cure him of

[22:09:01]

juski:

$30 a download. how's that sound? ;)

[22:09:02]

clever:

xp is doing a proper shutdown....

[22:09:14]

grndslm:

damn

[22:09:20]

QuesarVII:

but it needs to enable the wol part of the card before doing that shutdown

[22:09:26]

clever:

yeah

[22:09:29]

QuesarVII:

that's what the ethtool command did

[22:09:32]

clever:

checking if it does it allready

[22:09:43]

grndslm:

juski, do you develop most everything for myth?

[22:09:44]

juski:

anyway I have more important customers to keep happy, even if there's no deadline

[22:09:50]

** juski laughs **

[22:10:01]

clever:

i heard the packet thru tcpdump:)

[22:10:07]

** clever goes back to check on it **

[22:10:21]

clever:

its booting:)

[22:10:25]

** xris grumbles about having to completely re-build the new channel icon database. **

[22:10:43]

juski:

grndslm: yeah, I wrote every single line of mythtv but I'm kind enough to allow Isaac & everybody else to claim the credit

[22:10:55]

clever:

now to get a local wol prog so i can close port 9 udp and do it more securely

[22:11:11]

grndslm:

juski: but you are the lead dev then?

[22:11:11]

juski:

as if... you never saw the patch I submitted once did you

[22:11:31]

juski:

grndslm: I make pretty-ish pictures & potter about some

[22:12:07]

juski:

I am a *user* of mythtv who makes themes some people like and that's about all

[22:12:39]

grndslm:

well, is neon-wide worth $30 right now??

[22:12:57]

juski:

grndslm: I reckon so. if nobody pays I don't lose out :-P

[22:13:00]

Dagmar:

Let's find some rubes and see

[22:13:31]

grndslm:

juski: i mean, is it damn near finished??

[22:13:43]

juski:

I'm only kidding though – I'd hate to charge for my themes – with people paying money they'd expect too much – they want the world on a stick for free as it is!

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gardengnome:

give me that bloody theme N OW!

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clever:

QuesarVII: seems to work perfectly now for that 1 box:D

[22:13:50]

grndslm:

if not already..or are you just teasing people??

[22:14:05]

clever:

brb supper

[22:14:13]

clever:

i'll test more boxes later

[22:14:20]

clever:

livecd helps to comfirm the hardware works

[22:14:31]

QuesarVII:

clever – you can use wakeonlan from within cygwin

[22:14:36]

Fooker:

Just the standard 4500? Or something else?

[22:14:38]

xris:

Fooker: the max you can.

[22:14:47]

juski:

grndslm: like mythtv 0.21-fixes, neon-wide will be ready when it's ready and not before

[22:15:01]

gardengnome:

QuesarVII: no kidding? i'd expect it to use some linux/unix specific API

[22:15:13]

juski:

one thing you can be sure of though, is that there will be no pre-release betas or any such wastes of time like that

[22:15:17]

QuesarVII:

cygwin provides that for you

[22:15:18]

clever:

QuesarVII: ive seen a php script for wakeonlan also

[22:15:23]

QuesarVII:

it just does regular network traffic

[22:15:23]

juski:

I'm in no rush

[22:15:31]

clever:

and i have a linux box running allmost 24/7

[22:15:37]

clever:

mostly 2–3 boxes

[22:15:41]

clever:

no need for cygwin

[22:15:43]

juski:

anyway – bedtime for me. no 4.05am for me today ;)

[22:15:46]

juski:

g'night all

[22:15:51]

Fooker:

xris: Ok, wasn't sure if DVDs had a "standard" bitrate :)

[22:15:54]

grndslm:

juski: i see...no rush, night!

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xris:

Fooker: just a max. dvdhelp.com should have the info

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** clever goes for supper **

[22:16:27]

Dagmar:

dvdhelp.com has more info than you could probably ever want to know about DVDs unless you're a very specific sort of pervert

[22:17:04]

xris:

heh

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Fooker:

xris: How about audio? Is there a standard bitrate?

[22:19:38]

Fooker:

Or sampling rate?

[22:19:56]

xris:

Fooker: dvdhelp.com :)

[22:20:26]

Dagmar:

EVERYTHING is there.

[22:20:34]

Dagmar:

Even freaking colorspace information

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hardnova:

do i need to chage the default fluxbox focusmodel ?

[22:24:52]

Dagmar:

nope.

[22:24:59]

Dagmar:

It's just sort of a cheerleader at this point

[22:25:28]

Dagmar:

It's mere presence will make the right things happen

[22:25:33]

hardnova:

really its going to fuck a football team ?

[22:25:47]

Dagmar:

As if it were it's natural environment.

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Dagmar:

As long as you don't do something silly like tell it to NOT focus new windows, little else matters

[22:27:15]

Dagmar:

...or new-windows-appear-under.

[22:27:26]

QuesarVII:

hardnova – LOL!

[22:28:00]

QuesarVII:

not just a player... the whole damn team!

[22:28:06]

ATGeek:

dvdhelp.com can't be foound

[22:28:06]

Dagmar:

I thought it was funny but I didnt' laugh because I was jealous.

[22:28:19]

Dagmar:

I was trying to work out some metaphor involving a naked cheerleader and coulnd't.

[22:28:22]

ATGeek:

never mind; it needs the www for it to work

[22:28:29]

hardnova:

i was reading that session.screen0.focusModel: ClickFocus ... maybe i should change this as well its not like im clicking anything

[22:28:38]

QuesarVII:

well, my wife's an aerobics, spinning, and pilates instructor, so I've got no complaints :)

[22:28:50]

hardnova:

and session.screen0.focusModel: SemiSloppyFocus ... sounds better

[22:30:03]

hardnova:

but its working so i wont mess with that ( yet)

[22:33:19]

hardnova:

tring to figure out where mythtvfront end shoud fit in

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WAR_CH|LD:

hey guys, how cna I make my x windows boot up successfully without a mouse!

[22:42:52]

kormoc:

did you try google?

[22:43:08]

WAR_CH|LD:

yeah, not having much luck

[22:43:12]

WAR_CH|LD:

I think my searches suck

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kormoc:

man xorg.conf

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kormoc:

Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" "boolean"

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WAR_CH|LD:

oh

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WAR_CH|LD:

you make it all so simple

[22:46:32]

WAR_CH|LD:

almost too easy

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hardnova:

any ideas how i might kill the uae process once started ?

[22:55:29]

cesman:

killall -9 uae

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hardnova:

cesman thats only part of the how

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cesman:

ahhhh ok

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QuesarVII:

hardnova – what is uae, more details, etc?

[22:58:50]

Dibblah:

amiga emulator.

[22:59:14]

QuesarVII:

ah, so you're looking to exit out of it once started from mythgame?

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hardnova:

QuesarVII mythgame launches an amiga emulator , got it all running ok but cant seem to get out easily

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hardnova:

QuesarVII aparently it doesnt talk to lirc either so using the remote is out

[23:01:30]

hardnova:

QuesarVII i would prefer an exit method with the remote rather than the keyboard

[23:02:04]

hardnova:

QuesarVII maybe i could do a wrapper with irexec

[23:02:33]

QuesarVII:

that's what I was just thinking. i'm looking at the uae docs now to find out how to exit with the keyboard to begin with

[23:02:50]

QuesarVII:

then from there, an lirc wrapper should do the trick

[23:03:42]

clever:

QuesarVII: you could program a key on lirc to run killall -9 uae

[23:03:54]

clever:

which would also be helpfull if the program locks up:)

[23:04:05]

hardnova:

killall -9 uae doesnt work very well

[23:04:24]

clever:

why not?

[23:04:28]

clever:

could use sigterm

[23:04:37]

hardnova:

im thinking a shell script with start stop that keeps the pid

[23:04:55]

clever:

yeah a wraper arround starting which saves the pid

[23:05:04]

clever:

you could also check the start-stop deamon manual

[23:05:09]

clever:

its designed for that

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clever:

start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --oknodo --pidfile $PIDFILE --name gdm $SSD_ARG --retry 30 >/dev/null 2>&1

[23:05:37]

clever:

random examlple from a nearly random init.d script

[23:05:56]

clever:

man page can give more details:)

[23:05:56]

hardnova:

clever , I have most of what i need in the /etc/rc.d/init.d

[23:06:09]

clever:

ahh:)

[23:06:51]

hardnova:

clever but yes thats also a good idea thanks

[23:06:59]

clever:

:)

[23:07:50]

hardnova:

think i may have to updeate the wiki for this as theres not much on setting up myth and aue

[23:07:56]

hardnova:

uae i mean

[23:08:42]

QuesarVII:

i'm worried about having multiple apps trying to read from lirc simultaneously. i thought mythfrontend gave up the remote when starting things like mplayer or emulators.. so I think you would need to have a script for uae that first starts irexec in the background and then starts uae

[23:09:21]

clever:

i was thinking of that also

[23:09:26]

clever:

if the frontend starts mplayer

[23:09:32]

clever:

who winds up mainly in control of lirc?

[23:09:46]

QuesarVII:

i think the frontend releases lirc when starting apps like mplayer

[23:09:55]

QuesarVII:

and grabs back ahold of it when the app exits

[23:10:04]

QuesarVII:

so using irexec in a script for uae should work ok

[23:10:18]

hardnova:

mplayer has lirc support

[23:10:33]

clever:

i know mplayer can use lirc

[23:10:51]

QuesarVII:

I haven't looked at the code, but I bet it releases lirc by default whenever starting an outside app.

[23:10:55]

clever:

and that i was thinking could cause a problem if both mplayer and the frontend where trying to use lirc at once

[23:11:15]

QuesarVII:

i haven't had any probs using native lirc support with myth and mplayer

[23:11:17]

clever:

yeah that would be the best way to do it

[23:11:29]

clever:

i cant even get the lirc module to compile atm

[23:11:41]

QuesarVII:

that's why I assume myth releases it. i've seen problems trying to use irw, etc when myth is running regularly though

[23:11:59]

QuesarVII:

what's it failing on?

[23:12:10]

** clever runs again to crash it **

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clever:

save and run config....

[23:13:35]

clever:

configure: error: *** you need to have the Linux kernel source installed

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clever:

for this driver

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QuesarVII:

what distro you running?

[23:14:01]

clever:

ubuntu

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clever:

and ive installed this package

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clever:

linux-headers-2.6.15–27 – Header files related to Linux kernel version 2.6.15

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QuesarVII:

I think debian/ubuntu just uses the name kernel-source

[23:14:46]

QuesarVII:

I think you'll need full source, not just headers

[23:14:58]

clever:

The following NEW packages will be installed: kernel-source-2.4.27

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clever:

.......

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QuesarVII:

no way

[23:15:06]

clever:

4mins left on dl

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QuesarVII:

you need the same version as what's installed

[23:15:18]

gardengnome:

the headers ought to be sufficient for most drivers, AFAIK. some will need the full sources, though

[23:15:21]

QuesarVII:

that's an old 2.4 kernel

[23:15:29]

clever:

lol yeah 2.4 is OLD

[23:15:42]

clever:

i have a 2.4 box though:P

[23:16:08]

QuesarVII:

what kernel version is running?

[23:16:11]

QuesarVII:

uname -a will show you

[23:16:14]

clever:

no packaged by that name

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clever:

for 2.6

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clever:

Linux theP4 2.6.15-27–386 #1 PREEMPT Fri Dec 8 17:51:56 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux

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QuesarVII:

i assumed 2.6.15–27 from the headers thing

[23:16:30]

clever:

and i normaly use uname -r

[23:16:46]

clever:

yeah i used uname -r to pick that header package

[23:16:52]

QuesarVII:

do an apt-get seach for the word kernel

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clever:

683 results

[23:17:35]

QuesarVII:

I'm a little rusty on my debian, so you might need to check man pages to get the apt commands right.

[23:17:37]

clever:

added |wc -l

[23:17:52]

clever:

ive used apt-cache search tons of times

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QuesarVII:

ok

[23:18:02]

clever:

exact cmd i used was this: apt-cache search kernel|sort|wc -l

[23:18:02]

clever:

683

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QuesarVII:

just not sure myself

[23:18:30]

QuesarVII:

grep for 2.6.15–27

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clever:

16 results

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gardengnome:

the package might be named linux-source

[23:19:09]

clever:

linux-headers-2.6.15–27 – Header files related to Linux kernel version 2.6.15

[23:19:10]

QuesarVII:

you should be able to spot it from there, PM me the results if you want me to look

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clever:

then several for the kernel image

[23:19:30]

clever:

and some module sets

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QuesarVII:

could just do a search on 2.6.15–27 to begin with

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QuesarVII:

maybe it's just an issue of symlinks or something then

[23:20:06]

QuesarVII:

what do you see on "ls -l /usr/src"

[23:20:37]

clever:

to download source in ubuntu/debian you use apt-get source PACKAGENAME

[23:20:40]

clever:

drwxr-xr-x 19 root root 4096 2007-02–03 11:51 linux-headers-2.6.15–27

[23:20:42]

clever:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 44602708 2006-12–08 13:28 linux-source-2.6.15.tar.bz2

[23:20:45]

clever:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 199605 2006-12–01 09:21 lirc-modules.tar.gz

[23:20:46]

clever:

when i installed the lirc package it gave me the module source automaticaly

[23:21:37]

QuesarVII:

what do you see in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15–27 ?

[23:22:02]

clever:

arch cluster drivers include ipc lib Makefile net security usr

[23:22:05]

clever:

block crypto fs init kernel linux-headers.revision mm scripts sound

[23:22:08]

clever:

clever@theP4:~/lirc/lirc-0.8.1$

[23:22:29]

QuesarVII:

that looks like a fairly full source tree

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clever:

yeah

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QuesarVII:

try symlinking /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15–27 to /usr/src/linux and running the configure on lirc again

[23:22:52]

clever:

and ive built my own kernel on a diff box

[23:23:05]

clever:

but i dont want to risk frying a binary distro with a custom kernel

[23:23:19]

QuesarVII:

if it fails again, take a look at the config.log file that results from the configure run

[23:23:37]

clever:

create symbolic link `linux' to `linux-headers-2.6.15–27/'

[23:24:02]

clever:

configing...

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clever:

conf didnt fail

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clever:

making...

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clever:

can it use distcc without problems?

[23:25:14]

[Jasper]:

hej guys

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[Jasper]:

anyone here who uses hdmi or dvi cable between pc and tv?

[23:25:25]

QuesarVII:

should be able to

[23:25:54]

ante001:

hi! having problems compiling mythtv 0.20 with DVB support on Ubuntu Edgy Eft

[23:26:06]

clever:

/home/clever/lirc/lirc-0.8.1/drivers/lirc_dev/../../drivers/kcompat.h:212:2: error: #error "LIRC modules currently require"

[23:26:09]

clever:

/home/clever/lirc/lirc-0.8.1/drivers/lirc_dev/../../drivers/kcompat.h:213:2: error: #error " 'Loadable module support ---> Module unloading'"

[23:26:12]

clever:

/home/clever/lirc/lirc-0.8.1/drivers/lirc_dev/../../drivers/kcompat.h:214:2: error: #error "to be enabled in the kernel"

[23:26:16]

QuesarVII:

ante – what happens?

[23:26:37]

ante001:

... /../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.20.so: undefined reference to `DiSEqCDevTree::Execute(DiSEqCDevSettings const&, DVBTuning const&)'

[23:26:48]

QuesarVII:

clever – you'll need to rebuild your kernel then

[23:26:52]

clever:

QuesarVII: i know i have module unloading in my actual kernel

[23:26:56]

clever:

because rmmod works fine

[23:27:00]

QuesarVII:

hmm..

[23:27:15]

clever:

the config in the headers is off

[23:27:20]

QuesarVII:

I'd look at that section of code and hack out the check

[23:27:37]

QuesarVII:

or try a newer version of lirc

[23:27:52]

QuesarVII:

what version you using?

[23:28:10]

clever:

latest tarball i think

[23:28:16]

clever:

look in the path i pasted

[23:28:18]

clever:

0.8.1

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clever:

ive //commented out the precompiled #error's

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QuesarVII:

wanna pastebin your /proc/config.gz (ungzipped obviously)

[23:29:30]

clever:

stat: cannot stat `/proc/config.gz': No such file or directory

[23:29:50]

ante001:

is this config OK ?

[23:30:01]

ante001:

./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-xvmc --enable-proc-opt --enable-opengl-vsync --dvb-path=/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.17-10-generic/include/ --enable-dvb

[23:31:07]

hardnova:

$! has the pid in it doesnt it so i should be able to echo $1 >> /var/run/uae.pid ... hows that sound ?

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hardnova:

sorry only one >

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clever:

hardnova: i have a semi working wraper script on another box which runs a sudo'ed script in bg and kills it later

[23:32:03]

clever:

tailstuff&

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clever:

PID=$?

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clever:

gnome-panel

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clever:

sudo kill $PID

[23:32:17]

clever:

the tailstuff is another script which uses sudo

[23:32:53]

clever:

when starting a prog with & at the end to bg it $? seems to contaim its pid

[23:33:03]

clever:

a simple way to test might be this

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clever:

ps&echo $?

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clever:

odd that gave a 0:P

[23:33:35]

clever:

$! worked fine though:)

[23:33:52]

hardnova:

heres what i got

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hardnova:

$? returns the exit status of the last executed command.

[23:33:53]

hardnova:

$! returns the pid of the last process ran in the background.

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clever:

ps&echo $! caused echo to print ps's pid before ps fully started and did so itself

[23:34:21]

clever:

the & 'command' may return the pid as an exit status posibly

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clever:

but $! works either way:)

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clever:

no idea how my $? script is working now:P

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QuesarVII:

ante – does configure fail when you run that?

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ante001:

nope

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clever:

copy the -27 to the .config on the /usr/src/linux?

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QuesarVII:

want to send me that file with pastebin?

[23:37:09]

clever:

i'll just scp it over to my site

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QuesarVII:

actually, that should do it for you

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clever:

easyer then loading the bloated gedit and copy/pasting

[23:37:30]

QuesarVII:

copying it over to /usr/src/linux and running a make clean ; make there might fix it

[23:37:39]

QuesarVII:

the source there might just not be built fully

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clever:

compiling

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ante001:

Quesar: config http://pastebin.ca/340724

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clever:

/bin/sh: scripts/genksyms/genksyms: No such file or directory

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clever:

its probly trying to make the system syms file

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clever:

which allready exists in /boot and can be copyed over

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QuesarVII:

the System.map you mean?

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clever:

yeah

[23:40:37]

QuesarVII:

the genksyms stuff is for the version independent module stuff

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clever:

was about to ssh into my box with a custom kernel to find that name:P

[23:40:49]

QuesarVII:

I never use that, but maybe it's gotten better recently

[23:41:14]

clever:

clever@theP4:~/lirc/lirc-0.8.1$ sudo cp /boot/System.map-2.6.15-27–386 /usr/src/linux/System.map

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QuesarVII:

ante – you see my PM?

[23:41:24]

clever:

/bin/sh: scripts/genksyms/genksyms: No such file or directory

[23:41:35]

clever:

WARNING: Symbol version dump /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15–27/Module.symvers

[23:41:37]

QuesarVII:

is it failing running that?

[23:41:38]

clever:

is missing; modules will have no dependencies and modversions.

[23:41:52]

QuesarVII:

if it keeps running, don't worry about it

[23:42:01]

clever:

it refuses to go any further

[23:42:24]

QuesarVII:

does the scripts directory exist in /usr/src/linux-2.6.15–27/ ?

[23:42:34]

QuesarVII:

maybe it isn't a full source after all?

[23:42:45]

clever:

yeah its just headers

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ante001:

Quasar is PM= past message ?

[23:42:52]

clever:

as the package name said

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QuesarVII:

well, even though it didn't finish, most of the config stuff that matters for external modules happens in the beginning, so just try lirc again now

[23:43:08]

QuesarVII:

private message

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ante001:

no

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clever:

clever@theP4:~/lirc$ apt-get source linux-image-2.6.15-27–386

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clever:

that should get the source tar's for that package

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QuesarVII:

cool

[23:44:02]

clever:

it can be ran by non root since they just get dumped to the cwd

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QuesarVII:

i didn't know that trick. I'll have to remember thatone

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clever:

and the system doesnt keep track of them as installed or anything

[23:44:23]

clever:

theres also i think sudo apt-get build-dep

[23:44:29]

clever:

which looks at the source package and gets the dep's

[23:44:41]

clever:

you could then switch to a much newer source tar

[23:44:56]

QuesarVII:

ante – where is your failure happening when building with dvb support?

[23:44:58]

clever:

build-dep gets what it thinks are needed to build the named package

[23:45:12]

ante001:

/msg ante001 set unfiltered on

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clever:

apt-get build-dep mythtv fixed most of my build problems

[23:46:17]

clever:

i still need to make the serial device for lirc to actualy use

[23:46:29]

clever:

but that should be easy compared to getting the modules:P

[23:47:02]

ante001:

Quasar: I've unblocked PM now

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QuesarVII:

just a note, but I had trouble with the regular serial receiver diagram. my port wouldn't read it right

[23:47:34]

QuesarVII:

i had to build the enhanced one that gives a 0–5V swing

[23:47:50]

QuesarVII:

I mean the -10 to +10 one

[23:47:55]

QuesarVII:

the regular one was 0–5

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clever:

ahh

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QuesarVII:

it is, but ports usually have their toggle points a lot closer to the middle

[23:48:59]

ante001:

Quasar: this is config and make error I received http://pastebin.ca/340732

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clever:

http://www.hackaday.com/2007/01/28/rs-232-serial-laser-link/

[23:49:11]

clever:

that gives some info on serial ports and making a laser serial link

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QuesarVII:

the most common type will trigger on for over about 3 volts, and off under about 1. in between is undefined and could be either

[23:49:25]

clever:

uses a small chip to couple and invert the signal

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clever:

so -10 winds up turning the laser pointer on

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QuesarVII:

I just did a ton of work with serial stuff for my company

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clever:

so a 0 is on

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clever:

and 1 is off

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QuesarVII:

we just released a 3 way card that does infiniband, serial console, and remote monitoring/power control

[23:50:05]

clever:

then you aim the laser pointer at the transiter at the other end and send away

[23:50:12]

clever:

lol

[23:50:26]

QuesarVII:

and I got all the serial console stuff working, so I was using the oscilloscope and stuff to test out the new cards

[23:50:31]

clever:

using a laser link should in theory make it hard to tap

[23:50:52]

clever:

how can you tap into a laser beam without breaking it?

[23:51:14]

kormoc:

you receive, process, and re transmit

[23:51:23]

QuesarVII:

laser light is not 100% a perfect beam

[23:51:30]

clever:

can you send the new signal out at the exact same angle

[23:51:34]

kormoc:

sure

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QuesarVII:

particles in the air, etc disperse it

[23:51:42]

clever:

you would need to know what to aim it at

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kormoc:

you know based on the path it's going

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clever:

and you would be breaking the signal for a few seconds when inserting the device in the middle

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QuesarVII:

you can still "see" the beam electronically though, so you can tell when it goes on/off

[23:52:02]

kormoc:

it's not gonna go around corners

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kormoc:

clever, not really, if it's designed right, it can be a very limited break

[23:52:26]

clever:

yeah but over a large distance it may be hard for you to aim it at a small target

[23:52:41]

kormoc:

clever, if the link exists, it can be faked

[23:52:55]

clever:

a simple idea i had

[23:53:03]

clever:

get a very thin layer of plastic

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clever:

which reflects a certain % of the signal hitting it

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clever:

but most gets thru

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QuesarVII:

faking the signal requires breaking it, but intercepting it can be done just putting your receiver barely into the beam

[23:53:29]

clever:

letting you split off half the signal power

[23:53:33]

kormoc:

clever, what you're really want to do is mess with quantum entanglement :P

[23:53:39]

clever:

lol

[23:54:07]

clever:

isnt each loop in each thread posibly another i forget?:P

[23:54:10]

ante001:

Quasar: this is config and make error I received http://pastebin.ca/340732, don't know if u seen porevious post

[23:54:12]

clever:

real complex stuff

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kormoc:

tho even that's not fool proof anymore, they've found a way to do N entanglements

[23:54:23]

QuesarVII:

i don't even think you'd need to refract it that much. Just getting a little piece of a sensitive receiver a hair into the beam will read it too

[23:54:36]

clever:

yeah

[23:54:52]

clever:

the page mentions that its only a mm or 2 wide and would be hard to get it into the beam

[23:55:09]

clever:

and isnt the sensitive part of most transiters near the center?

[23:55:22]

clever:

over 5mm into the transiter

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QuesarVII:

that is pretty tight, but I bet that measurement is assuming pretty perfect air quality

[23:55:25]

kormoc:

clever, not at all, that's huge when dealing with some new stuff

[23:55:52]

** clever reads over it again **

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QuesarVII:

so angle the receiver to have the laser sort of graze it

[23:56:04]

clever:

-rw-r--r-- 1 clever clever 57403387 2006-05–18 11:09 linux-source-2.6.15_2.6.15.orig.tar.gz

[23:56:09]

clever:

dl finished:)

[23:56:47]

clever:

it also seems to have self extracted

[23:56:54]

clever:

copy the config from the real system into it?

[23:57:55]

QuesarVII:

it's probably the same config. if you're curious check, if not, just copy the one from /boot

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clever:

since its a full tree im going to make menuconfig and tweak to enable mod unloading

[23:58:05]

clever:

it didnt have any .config when i checked

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clever:

clever@theP4:~/lirc/lirc-0.8.1$ ./configure --with-kerneldir=/home/clever/lirc/linux-source-2.6.15–2.6.15/

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clever:

forcing it to use that kernel dir

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