Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, January 31st, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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HaDAk:

does that mean that the upgrade process changed the cached username and password in the mythtv config files? if so, how do i change the password, or figure out what it should be set as?

[00:00:31]

squish102:

HaDAk, u sure mysql is running?

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GreyFoxx:

sounds like it's not running

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HaDAk:

nope. not sure.

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HaDAk:

^^

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HaDAk:

not sure how to check, either.

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squish102:

i would do 'ps aux|grep mysql' but i am sure there is a better way

[00:02:06]

monteslu:

Dagmar, my earlier problem was in fact font-related and nothing to do with my video card

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HaDAk:

mythtv 9123 0.0 0.0 1624 492 ttyp1 R+ 19:02 0:00 grep mysql

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squish102:

HaDAk, it is not running

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HaDAk:

if i try doing /etc/init.d/mysql start, it fails

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squish102:

what does it say?

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HaDAk:

"Please take a look at the syslog"

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squish102:

ok so then type 'tail /var/log/messages'

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squish102:

and i woul dhave to type /etc/init.d/mysqld start

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HaDAk:

mysql starts mysqld

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HaDAk:

or at least tries.

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HaDAk:

i don't see anything in the syslog about mysql

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HaDAk:

2007-01–30 19:02:39.014 Unable to connect to database!

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HaDAk:

QMYSQL3: Unable to connect

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HaDAk:

Database error was:

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HaDAk:

Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock'

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HaDAk:

(2)

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squish102:

what about /var/log/mysqld.log ?

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squish102:

and this is kinda the blind leading the blind btw

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Fony_Vaio:

cheers gbee|sleep

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HaDAk:

empty

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HaDAk:

being blind is fun tho

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fysa:

Here's something that's slightly silly.

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fysa:

When I switch from one QAM station to another that's on the same multiplex, Myth feels the need to tell me this instead of telling me the information for the channel that I'm switching to.

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fysa:

(in OSD)

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HaDAk:

i have no idea why mysql isn't starting.

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williammanda:

hello all

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Fony_Vaio:

'lo

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fysa:

Is anyone here using quick tuning?

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kormoc:

as opposed to slow tuning?

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fysa:

:)

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fysa:

there's a new option in mythtv-setup

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fysa:

for DVB cards

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** HaDAk fixed it **

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[R]:

kormoc: hey, are you there?

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kormoc:

mornin'

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kormoc:

fysa, ahh, sadly, no dvb here :P

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[R]:

you said if i ever got the X logs from my nvidia not being able to output 1366x768 to show you

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** kormoc nods **

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squish102:

HaDAk, what was it?

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[R]:

it says

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[R]:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): Unable to use mode "1366x768" for Philips FTV (DFP-0); cannot

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[R]:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): compute backend DFP timings (mode is larger than native

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[R]:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): backend 1280 x 720).

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HaDAk:

dunno, but reinstalling mysql_server fixed it.

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HaDAk:

oshit, i took a video of mythfilldatabase going like hell...and it was too much for my phone: my phone restarted

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kormoc:

[R], you might want to ignore the edid and set a custom modeline

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[R]:

i did set a custom modeline

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kormoc:

[R], did you disable the edid?

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[R]:

mmm, all of edid or some of edid?

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** HaDAk will be back when something else 'splodes **

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HaDAk:

thanks for your input squish

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** HaDAk bows out **

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H00chster:

fysa tried it but didn't notice any change but that was about a week or two ago on the quick tuning

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kormoc:

[R], likely will need to do all, as it thinks the screen is physically smaller then you say it is

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[R]:

ok

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[R]:

i did Option "UseEDID" "FALSE" and now its saying the native backend is 640 x 480

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kormoc:

anything bout your modeline?

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[R]:

i'm looking in the "validating mode" section... it says the mode, says the source is modeline, and it says can't use the mode

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SlicerDicer-:

hey kormoc

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kormoc:

mornin'

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SlicerDicer-:

I noticed there is a visibility flag in svn ./configure --help :)

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SlicerDicer-:

I am going to experiment with it

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SlicerDicer-:

I am going to grab the latest svn hopefully get dvd playback working hehe

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[R]:

kormoc: ah, that did it

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[R]:

kormoc: ExactModeTimingsDVI

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[R]:

i dunno if its actually right, but it did accept the mode

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kormoc:

nifty

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[R]:

i'm in tucson and the tv is in phoenix

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[R]:

fun stuff

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HaDAk:

ok. so.

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HaDAk:

i broke it.

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[R]:

ok well acording to xdpyinfo is tright, lets see if its actually right

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HaDAk:

mysql is now bitching about mythfilldatabase. says it's using the wrong syntax to populate the database.

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HaDAk:

help! :(

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[R]:

what version of myth, what version of mysql

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** HaDAk opens his mouth to answer...then stops. **

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HaDAk:

erm.

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HaDAk:

i dunno.

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[R]:

you dont know either?

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HaDAk:

^^;;

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HaDAk:

i popped in a knoppmyth disc, installed, apt-get upgraded, and did a apt-get install mysql-server

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HaDAk:

and...that's where i'm at.

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_mike3:

questions guys. I just got my PVR 150 w/ the MCE remote. I noticed I have a usb receiver and some other receiver or transmitter. what's this extra one for??

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HaDAk:

_mike3: afiak, it's an IRblaster...can send IR signals to your tv, etc.

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HaDAk:

any ideas how i can populate my mysql db?

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_mike3:

HaDAk: oh really? So I just attached that to the back of the usb one?

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HaDAk:

_mike3: not sure, to be honest. i don't have the MCE edition.

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[R]:

kormoc: yeah, it looks like the tv isn't liking something, cuz it just displays blank

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HaDAk:

ok. i figured out the problem. now, i need help with the solution.

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HaDAk:

i need to downgrade my version of mysql.

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HaDAk:

ideas?

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[R]:

ask your distro

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jumpkick:

anyone know if there is a way to reduce the overscan in nvidia driver in the mode created by 'Option "TVStandard" "HD1080i"'?

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HaDAk:

ask my distro?

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monkeyBox:

This is wierd. I think my PCHDTV is feeding me 1080p over QAM. I thought content providers didn't do 1080p yet?

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monkeyBox:

when I play the signal w/ mplayer, it reports a 1920x1080 video

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GreyFoxx:

You should it's not 1080i

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GreyFoxx:

?

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GreyFoxx:

s/should/sure

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monkeyBox:

hmmm.. could be, but I'm not sure how to tell :-P

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[R]:

easy... its NOT 1080p cuz no one broadcasts 1080p

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monkeyBox:

[R], that's what I figured, but I know it's not 720p because I'm able to play 720p video just fine, but when I play an HD stream from my PCHDTV it's really slow ('cause my puter is only 2GHZ athlonXP)

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monkeyBox:

I guess it could be 1080i..

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[R]:

is it an OTA channel or a cable channel?

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monkeyBox:

[R] it's QAM

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monkeyBox:

so, cable

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[R]:

i know you said its QAM

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[R]:

but the channel itsel

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[R]:

f

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[R]:

is it a cable channel, or a local broadcast

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monkeyBox:

well, local broadcast, but it's an HD channel

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[R]:

if its a local broadcats channel, its not possible for it to be 1080p

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[R]:

its not that they dont do 1080p cuz they dont want to, its just not possible

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monkeyBox:

doesn't OTA imply antenna?

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[R]:

well i mean a channel one could get via OTA

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[R]:

not that you were getting it that way

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monkeyBox:

gotcha

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[R]:

if cable companies didnt suck so much, i would totally invest in an hd homerun

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monkeyBox:

yeah, I didn't think it was possible either, but when mplayer played it it said 1920x1080 (that was NBC-HD). I just played FOX-HD and I got 1280x720.

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[R]:

half the networks do 720p the other half do 1080i

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monkeyBox:

cool.

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monkeyBox:

I guess my computer's good enough to play 720p, but not 1080i :-(. I must be right on the border of performance requirement.

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Perdignus:

Hello

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Perdignus:

I'm having trouble with nuvexport, would someone help me figure out what I'm missing please? http://pastebin.ca/333684

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monkeyBox:

Quick question: How do I get the XMLTV id for a specific channel?

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daviey:

bored, bored, bored

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Perdignus:

hmm, I just discovered that nuvexport works as root but not as my normal luser account

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daviey:

mtnbkr, yes, needs direct access. So mount NFS

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daviey:

mtnbkr, then on the frontend you need to change the setting in video settings

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monkeyBox:

damn.. for some reason when I play 720p using mplayer, it plays fine. But using mythfrontend it's _very_ choppy

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monkeyBox:

why would that be?

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monkeyBox:

I get lots of "WriteAudio: buffer underrun"

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monkeyBox:

Perhaps it's because it's having to write it to the hard drive, and play it at the same time?

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monkeyBox:

where as mplayer just plays the stream directly?

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kormoc:

"WriteAudio: buffer underrun" points more to a sound issue

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: modified the ebuild to do visibility will let you know how it goes if its worth it or not hehe

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monkeyBox:

kormoc, but what would the cause be? My audio hardware?

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, kk

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kormoc:

monkeyBox, donno, perhaps you're using oss with myth and alsa with mplayer or vis versa?

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: I am quickly becoming obsessed with visibility

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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SlicerDicer-:

the speed of KDE with it done is mind boggling

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SlicerDicer-:

I shaved a good 10 seconds off the load... maybe more

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monkeyBox:

kormoc, hmm.. I'll check and see

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H00chster:

mtnbkr: pretty much answered but just to add, I have multiple frontends but have a large video server, and what I did, is on my master backend, I created a dir called MythVideo, and then in that dir made a .artwork directory, and changed each frontend to use that dir via nfs of course to keep all the image files it does via imdb or whatnot, and created symlinks to my video servers in that directory of /MythVideo and of course I had

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H00chster:

to mount the video servers to the same directories on each frontend, but that way they all share the same information

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monkeyBox:

kormoc, nope, mythfrontend is using alsa.

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_mike3:

hey guys. Anyone got a lircd.conf file for the new MCE remote that comes with the happauge pvr 150. It's the 1039 model

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kormoc:

_mike3, the mceusb2 one?

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H00chster:

heh

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** H00chster bets kormoc loves it when peeps ask about that.. **

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kormoc:

H00chster, heh, nah, I don't really care that much :P

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H00chster:

heh

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H00chster:

I care that you cared lol

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_mike3:

kormoc: yah i found it. irw is picking up the remote now

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H00chster:

although can't use mine currently wife stole it for that frontend lol

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H00chster:

gonna try and pick up a few more this weekend

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_mike3:

installing xorg right now

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H00chster:

_mike3 what kormoc is getting to is myth at least svn trunk comes with lircrc files for myth, and lirc itself should have the module/conf file for it

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_mike3:

I have the remote working now

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_mike3:

I'd like to work on the pvr 150 card, but I'm guessing I have to wait until xorg is compiled?

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H00chster:

well if you want to see anything prob so, but don't have a 150 card to say for sure

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H00chster:

links permitted kormoc?

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_mike3:

well i'm installing ivtv right now

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_mike3:

And xorg is installing

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_mike3:

then I will install mythtv

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: built fine now time to test hehe

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_mike3:

but at least I can test everything from the console first

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H00chster:

if you google mce lircrc xine there is a sample lircrc for the xine and mplayer info as well, and mythtv.org's wiki has info on the mce remote itself and mplayer

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: seems fine and fast :)

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H00chster:

is there another or more updated webremote available out there or another recommended way to control myth via a pda?

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H00chster:

the mythweb remote that I found v0.17 or something works fine, but buttons are small, would be nice to make larger, or even some sort of native app or something. just curious.

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_mike3:

hrm I tried to install ivtv and it complained about CX88 CX25480 CX2341X. So i added those to the .config file and I'm rebuilding the kernel. That was the right thing to do ?

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Milosch:

they are both required, yes

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Milosch:

er, at least the last two anyway

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_mike3:

I guess I will have to load those as modules?

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_mike3:

i mean load them up before installing

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_mike3:

modprobe?

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Milosch:

imo, it's better to have them as modules, a modern linux system should be able to handle loading them automatically

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_mike3:

i run gentoo. You have to add them to your /etc/modules.autoload/kernel-2.x

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Milosch:

ivtv is also a set of modules and some utilities

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_mike3:

not an issue. I can do that. I am going to have to recompile lirc to build the modules after the reboot though

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_mike3:

but I will be able to test the capture card out from the console right?

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_mike3:

with ivtv-tune -f 264

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Milosch:

that or v4l2-ctl -f

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_mike3:

ok well the kernel is recompiled. Gotta wait on xorg though. 84–151 packages left to install from source! :s

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_mike3:

Be here for a while!

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_mike3:

:)

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Milosch:

oof

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_mike3:

another two hours or so

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_mike3:

pentium 3

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_mike3:

:)

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** Milosch waits patiently **

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psm321:

any easy way to tell whether my mythtv is built with alsa support?

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psm321:

n/m

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psm321:

can mythbackend use alsa for capture?

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GreyFoxx:

psm321: run frontend or backend with --version to see the compile options

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GreyFoxx:

and no it wont use alsa for capture from framegrabbers

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john78934:

hello

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john78934:

anyone out there?

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kormoc:

nope, not a soul

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john78934:

haha

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john78934:

i need lirc help if you've got the time/interest

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kormoc:

you should just ask and see if anyone will/can help

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john78934:

right right

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Milosch:

...

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john78934:

err so is anyone willing and able to help

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john78934:

lirc... problems...

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williammanda:

I'm try to set the proper resolution for my monitor which 1366*768..and I'm not geting anywhere modifing the xorg.conf file...

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williammanda:

can someone help me?

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williammanda:

it keeps hanging on boot up

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Milosch:

because of X?

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williammanda:

i have to copy the back file to get to reboot

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williammanda:

backup

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williammanda:

i made a backup of xorg

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Milosch:

have you searched for a modeline for your specific monitor?

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Milosch:

maybe someone else has one

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williammanda:

what on google?

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Milosch:

sure

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williammanda:

nothing on google

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Milosch:

what model?

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williammanda:

westinghouse w4207

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williammanda:

Your search – modeline westinghouse w4207 – did not match any documents.

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adante:

williammanda: heh, i have same problem

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adante:

williammanda: (not your tv model though)

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williammanda:

ty :)

[03:18:10]

adante:

please let me know if you solve it, would like to see your modelines :]

[03:18:15]

john78934:

errr

[03:18:26]

williammanda:

i tried to put 1366*768 in the modeline but it refused to boot all the way up

[03:18:40]

john78934:

http://neon-net.servebeer.com/blog/wp-content . . . 01/myth6.jpg

[03:18:44]

john78934:

that sort of issue?

[03:18:45]

Milosch:

for one thing, that should be X not *

[03:18:55]

williammanda:

k

[03:19:37]

williammanda:

well i copied and pasted another line and only changed the values

[03:20:20]

williammanda:

I'm trying to get setup for this weekend..to watch the football game

[03:21:06]

williammanda:

is my problem a big issue?

[03:22:12]

Milosch:

well...

[03:23:24]

mtnbkr:

daviey: sorry for the LONG delay.. but thanks for the answer. even though I was hoping that was not the answer. :)

[03:23:26]

Milosch:

will be fun...

[03:23:47]

williammanda:

wow....i keep running into issues with mythtv....

[03:24:08]

riksta:

that isn't a mythtv issue

[03:24:09]

Milosch:

you need more crap equipment, so we will have to trade

[03:24:24]

williammanda:

ok...linux & mythtv

[03:24:31]

mtnbkr:

H00chster: thanks for the answer and sorry for my long delay... That is pretty much what I figured. Just wanted some clarification to make sure I was not going down the wrong path. :)

[03:24:43]

riksta:

williammanda, i have a samsung 32" lcd tv, i used the settings from the manual to set the X config up

[03:24:50]

williammanda:

I would really like to get this to work

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H00chster:

np mtnbkr

[03:25:18]

williammanda:

I don't understand all the info in the xorg file....

[03:25:20]

john78934:

heyy.. riksta do you mind sending me your xorg.conf

[03:25:42]

riksta:

john78934, i guess i could, although it will be almost certainly different for your card/tv

[03:25:42]

john78934:

i'm running mine on a very similar rig

[03:25:44]

H00chster:

mythvideo isn't database driven, but they can all share the same artwork dirs etc if you set them up as such, I just chose the master be to be my hose for it all

[03:25:48]

riksta:

john78934, nvidia card?

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john78934:

yep

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williammanda:

i would like to give the resolution and freq....but it seems to want more than i can give

[03:25:57]

riksta:

john78934, ok sure, what email address?

[03:25:58]

john78934:

nvidia card and samsung tv

[03:26:06]

john78934:

john.m.parks@gmail.com

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john78934:

i really appreciate it man

[03:26:11]

riksta:

ok I'll do it now

[03:27:17]

mtnbkr:

H00chster: currently, my slave backend has the big 500GB drive so it is the main store. adding to the confusion here. :) The master back end moutns its /mnt/store via NFS to the slave backend's /mnt/store 500GB jfs-formatted HD :)

[03:27:17]

Milosch:

williammanda: http://archive.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread . . . eadid=471096 < some useful info, maybe

[03:27:19]

williammanda:

i have been looking at the nvidia site trying to understand the commands

[03:28:10]

Milosch:

williammanda: does the same monitor show the rest of the startup process before X starts?

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riksta:

john78934, sent :) enjoy...hope it helps

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vinboy:

hi

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H00chster:

mtnbkr that is all good, I have storage on all my frontends, master and slave, my slave has the most as well, it is all the same stuff

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vinboy:

how do I stop a recording?

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H00chster:

just figured the master would always be running so wanted it to be the host of all the dirs

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williammanda:

it stops on a line with Nvidia in it

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john78934:

thanks!

[03:30:09]

Milosch:

you might have a better time figuring this out first by disabling the automatic X startup

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mtnbkr:

H00chster: heh Yeah, well, I need to buy a PCI-to-SATA controller for my master backend as it is an old(er) compaq 5U rackmount P-III 500MHz server :)

[03:30:27]

Milosch:

or at least stop X and work from the console

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** mtnbkr LOVEs the modularity of Mythtv.. **

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riksta:

john78934, let me know if u get it working

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H00chster:

mtnbkr no need, seriously, like I said my main stores are on my slave as well, it has the most storage, I just use the master being as it hosts my db and since it needs to be running all the time, the slave can go down whenever so that way all my artwork is available to the frontends regardless

[03:31:31]

H00chster:

it all works the same, so no need to spend extra money, it works fine the way you have it

[03:31:48]

H00chster:

I am still learning it all myself

[03:32:49]

williammanda:

milo...you are speaking greek to me :)

[03:33:14]

riksta:

williammanda, he is right

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Milosch:

these resolutions and fancy monitors are not necessarily easy, sorry...

[03:33:49]

williammanda:

ok...what does that mean? I stop what X? and do what in the console?

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vinboy:

why everytime I watch TV my it records to my HD ?

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Milosch:

vinboy: that's how mythtv works...

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GreyFoxx:

vinboy: Because that's what aPVR does

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GreyFoxx:

It's how you rewind/pause livetv

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GreyFoxx:

they will auto expire from your drive

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vinboy:

Milosch: can I disable the recording?

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GreyFoxx:

vinboy: No

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vinboy:

ok

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mtnbkr:

H00chster: that is why I want to put another 500GB HD inthe master backend server

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vinboy:

myth tv is really f*cking up my HD

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Milosch:

williammanda: what distribution of linux?

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GreyFoxx:

vinboy: They will auto expire after 1 cday

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williammanda:

debain...knoppmyth

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GreyFoxx:

Or if you tell myth to leave a certain amount of space free

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Milosch:

williammanda: ok, maybe it's running gdm then. is X running now?

[03:36:18]

williammanda:

does X = xorg.conf?

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H00chster:

understood mtnbkr

[03:36:26]

H00chster:

usually williammanda

[03:36:35]

H00chster:

there is Xfree as well but deprecated

[03:36:37]

williammanda:

ok sorry i'm learning

[03:36:40]

H00chster:

np

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Milosch:

williammanda: xorg.conf is the config file only

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H00chster:

simple enuf question

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john78934:

riksta you still around?

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H00chster:

ohh sorry just say the .conf heh

[03:37:01]

H00chster:

so no heh

[03:37:06]

riksta:

yeah

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H00chster:

sorry bad advice lol

[03:37:30]

H00chster:

X usually means XORG itself or XFREE or better just your GUI.

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Milosch:

williammanda: so, is it running?

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john78934:

alright... your x-org config fixed some of my problems (thanks a ton!) but the main one still is happening =(

[03:37:39]

H00chster:

in todays times usually XORG

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williammanda:

yes....i copied the backup file and rebooted

[03:38:03]

riksta:

H00chster, actually it's the X server, the window manager is the GUI

[03:38:09]

john78934:

http://neon-net.servebeer.com/blog/wp-content . . . 01/myth6.jpg

[03:38:17]

Milosch:

williammanda: ok, so you are looking at X now

[03:38:23]

riksta:

john78934, ?

[03:38:23]

H00chster:

picky pick riksta! :)

[03:38:24]

williammanda:

yes

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Milosch:

williammanda: and before it started you saw text or whatever from the boot process?

[03:39:04]

williammanda:

yes

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john78934:

err, basically its cutting of like an inch on each side

[03:39:17]

Milosch:

hrm, is this the same machine you are on now?

[03:39:29]

riksta:

john78934, what resolution can the TV support

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riksta:

the whole screen is madly distorted

[03:39:55]

riksta:

john78934, did you look at the table of resolutions and freqs in the manual?

[03:40:00]

williammanda:

no

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Milosch:

good

[03:40:07]

williammanda:

right next to me

[03:40:32]

Milosch:

ok, on that machine, can you hit Ctrl-Alt-F1 (all at once)

[03:40:43]

Milosch:

that should not kill X, but take you to a console

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williammanda:

ok

[03:41:06]

Milosch:

and Alt-F7 'should' take you back to X

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williammanda:

right

[03:41:22]

Milosch:

Alt something...

[03:41:37]

Milosch:

ok, can you login at the console?

[03:41:45]

williammanda:

yes

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Milosch:

ok, try /etc/init.d/gdm stop

[03:42:16]

riksta:

john78934, NO

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john78934:

hah.. sorry man

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williammanda:

program?

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john78934:

err – let me try to find the manual

[03:42:36]

riksta:

john78934, like 1360x768 ?

[03:42:38]

Milosch:

script, to stop Xorg

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Milosch:

probably running gdm but could be something else

[03:42:58]

riksta:

john78934, you need to specify a widecreen aspect ratio

[03:43:20]

Milosch:

i am assuming that knoppmyth runs a window manager, anyone know?

[03:43:49]

williammanda:

no file or directory

[03:44:29]

williammanda:

i loded KDE

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williammanda:

loaded

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Milosch:

ok

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john78934:

yeah

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Milosch:

try /etc/init.d/kdm stop

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Ediehow:

help

[03:45:27]

Ediehow:

changing volume in myth does nothing anymore

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Milosch:

frak, might be fluxbox

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riksta:

might be xdm rather than kdm

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williammanda:

same thing ...no file or dir

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Milosch:

i just read their default is fluxbox, so who knows

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riksta:

/etc/init.d/*dm stop -try :)

[03:46:24]

williammanda:

i just did a ls.....there is no file kdm or gdm

[03:46:28]

daviey:

mtnbkr, sorry for the delay. why is that a problem???

[03:46:28]

Milosch:

riksta: heh

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Milosch:

williammanda: anything like xdm or flux

[03:46:53]

riksta:

just run telinit 3

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riksta:

and it should stop the graphical mode

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Milosch:

riksta: hmm

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williammanda:

command not found

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Milosch:

used to work for me when i ran redhat ;)

[03:47:16]

riksta:

as root?

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riksta:

try init 3

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Milosch:

or worst case init 1

[03:47:44]

mtnbkr:

daviey: oh.... no... you responded to my question about .sio video files. (a few hours ago actually) I was just thanking you for the reply.

[03:47:50]

williammanda:

no xdm or flux

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riksta:

init 1 is no good

[03:48:05]

EricL:

I just upgraded MythTV (and it had been working perfectly for a long time). I simultaneously upgraded the ivtv drivers. Now Myth keeps telling me that all available inputs are in use (they aren't). How come/how do I fix it?

[03:48:09]

mtnbkr:

daviey: I didn't want you to think i was unthankful.:)

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daviey:

mtnbkr, why were you hoping that wasn't the case??

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Milosch:

riksta: iirc it works for me

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williammanda:

at level 3

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Milosch:

williammanda: ok, so X is stopped i hope

[03:48:43]

riksta:

Milosch, yeah but not enough services are really working at 1

[03:48:49]

williammanda:

how can i tell?

[03:48:49]

daviey:

mtnbkr, yeah don't worry bout that... but why would you rather not use nfs??

[03:49:10]

Milosch:

williammanda: alt-F7 or whatver just to make sure X is not running

[03:49:14]

riksta:

nfs FTW

[03:49:20]

mtnbkr:

daviey: ease of use... One of my frontends is a MCOSX machine and I dn;t want to play with NFS or NFS automounts in this scenario.

[03:49:33]

Milosch:

riksta: for getting X running at the right res, 1 might be enough

[03:49:35]

williammanda:

kde gui still there

[03:49:49]

riksta:

new myth streams the data to the frontend anyway right?

[03:49:51]

john78934:

you're kidding me... my manual doesn't even have the resolutions in it

[03:49:53]

john78934:

..........

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riksta:

Milosch, i guess.

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daviey:

hmm, maybe use samba if on the mac. don't know what is best

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riksta:

john78934, try the res i wrote

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riksta:

the one in my config

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john78934:

same problem...

[03:50:24]

riksta:

did you look at the stuff about FlatPanel....

[03:50:34]

riksta:

scaling=scaled etc?

[03:50:38]

mtnbkr:

daviey: oh, nothing against NFS... see my comments a few minutes ago to H00chster... my master backend mounts the main store /mnt/store as an NFS mount from my slave backend. :)

[03:51:02]

mtnbkr:

daviey: samba... hmmm that is a thought. :)

[03:51:10]

riksta:

john78934, also do you have more than one resolution specified in your Screen section?

[03:51:13]

daviey:

oh, best of luck

[03:51:40]

Milosch:

williammanda: try init 1, we're not setting anything permanent by doing that anyway

[03:52:12]

williammanda:

k

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john78934:

riksta, yeah, i coppied that as well... basically the only thing i left out was the tv out setup

[03:52:33]

john78934:

riksta, because i'm in the us, so i need NTSC, and i'm outputting through DVI => HDMI

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Milosch:

williammanda: with any luck you have a program called startx, which will fire up X from the console

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riksta:

john78934, hmm maybe you want to try something like 1200x800

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riksta:

john78934, ahh i guess that might be different, i dont have DVI on my box that's into the tv, just d-sub

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williammanda:

back at the prompt

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Milosch:

no X?

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riksta:

williammanda, i'd type "X -configure"

[03:53:36]

riksta:

and it should try to guess your config

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riksta:

then you can copy the new config to /etc/X11

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williammanda:

from the console?

[03:54:04]

riksta:

ya

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Milosch:

riksta: did you catch that he has a big fancy monitor?

[03:54:09]

riksta:

no :)

[03:54:10]

Milosch:

wxga

[03:54:19]

riksta:

there is a tool to guess modelines

[03:54:22]

riksta:

i forget the name

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Milosch:

1366x768 is what he is shooting for

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williammanda:

hd monitor

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riksta:

ahh

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riksta:

why not try something such as 1200x600 at first?

[03:55:01]

riksta:

er 1280x800 even

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john78934:

just tried, no dice – too high of resolution for the TV

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Milosch:

riksta: i am attempting to show him that he doesn't have to reboot every time to test it

[03:55:41]

williammanda:

i still have the gui desktop

[03:55:42]

riksta:

Milosch, yeah mate. sorry i guess i kinda just jumped in

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Milosch:

williammanda: type startx, let's see if that works at least

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john78934:

this may ... sound dumb but is there any way to zoom out...

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Milosch:

williammanda: hrm, that sucks, die X die!

[03:56:10]

john78934:

i know in the windows nvidia drivers theres an option for shifting and zooming

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ShiftyPowers:

guys, anyone here use a logitech harmony remote?

[03:56:21]

john78934:

basically the res is good just ... a bit off

[03:56:26]

riksta:

john78934, naw but the problem from your picture is some aspect ratio thing, did you check the tv settings ?

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williammanda:

should i wait for startx?

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Milosch:

ok, you did init 1, try ps axf and look for a capital X

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Ediehow:

ok, i am confused, new alsa uses "Wave" instead of "PCM," but mythtv doesn't seem to want to use anything but master or pcm

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riksta:

williammanda, it's gonna wait forever i guess, cause you have X running already

[03:57:28]

john78934:

riksta, the aspect ratio is set 16:9 just like it should be

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riksta:

Ediehow, i thought you enter alsa:default in the box?

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john78934:

riksta, wish i had the option on my tv to zoop out a bit...

[03:57:46]

riksta:

Ediehow, look at the wiki

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Ediehow:

no, for internal volume controls

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Milosch:

ps axf, look for X, the prog above that most likely started X

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riksta:

Ediehow, yeah...read the wiki howto on alsa, it's like alsa:default

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Ediehow:

shoot, i change it to master, and still volume controls in myth do nothing

[03:58:24]

Ediehow:

riksta: i have that, i'm talking about internal mixer controls below that

[03:58:36]

riksta:

i know, there's two places you put weird stuff in, IIRC

[03:58:49]

riksta:

just do yourself a favour and read the website

[03:58:51]

riksta:

:)

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Ediehow:

riksta: ALSA:default is audio output device

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Ediehow:

riksta: i have, that's why i have ALSA:default there

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riksta:

hm

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riksta:

do you want me to check mine?

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Ediehow:

something changed, new alsa no longer has PCM device, but Wave

[03:59:47]

riksta:

what Vn?

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Ediehow:

riksta: if you do alsamixer and you have PCM, you won't have the same problem i do

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Milosch:

how new?

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riksta:

Ediehow, ok i get you, PCM renamed to wave?

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Ediehow:

apparently

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Ediehow:

i don't know why, they have PCM center, front, lfe... etc

[04:00:34]

Ediehow:

but no plain PCM anymore

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Ediehow:

but now they have Wave

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riksta:

odd, what kernel?

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Ediehow:

2.6.19

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Ediehow:

alsa-lib-1.0.13–32.fc6.at

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riksta:

ahh probably why

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riksta:

can you not specify that "hw:0:1" type crap?

[04:01:14]

Milosch:

i am running 1.0.14 and still have PCM

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Ediehow:

Milosch: i have no idea, it just started last week, apparently with some yum upgrade. i had thought it was mythtv, but now i think it's alsa

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riksta:

Milosch, i think it's the kernel driver

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Ediehow:

but i did upgrade to 2.6.19 recently

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Milosch:

what kind of funky usb audio card are you running? ;)

[04:02:17]

riksta:

Ediehow, do you have a HDA soundcard

[04:02:21]

Ediehow:

audigy 2

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Ediehow:

pci

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Milosch:

k

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riksta:

sorry, out of ideas ...google doesn't really turn anything up

[04:04:58]

Milosch:

is it possible to rename the inputs via an alsa config?

[04:05:15]

Milosch:

i guess they are hard coded...

[04:05:21]

Milosch:

williammanda: yoo hoo

[04:05:25]

williammanda:

yes

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Ediehow:

can i alias?

[04:05:36]

Milosch:

williammanda: so, did you find X

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riksta:

Ediehow, i seriously doubt it, btw did u search the mailing list?

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Ediehow:

riksta: asked in chan, i guess i'll have to join mailing list

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williammanda:

what X am I looking for?

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riksta:

Ediehow, i have it archived, ill search for you

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Milosch:

williammanda: type ps axf and look for a capital X

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Milosch:

the prog above that most likely started X

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Ediehow:

hi xris

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xris:

evening

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riksta:

Ediehow, you could just enable oss emulation in alsa and use the /dev/sound/mixer device

[04:08:04]

Ediehow:

oss emul is enabled

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Ediehow:

riksta: wouldn't that be worse in myth, though?

[04:08:14]

riksta:

so you have /dev/sound/mixer ?

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Ediehow:

isn't it better to use native alsa?

[04:08:23]

riksta:

i guess there's not much harm just for a mixer

[04:08:24]

Ediehow:

i have /dev/mixer

[04:08:28]

riksta:

it's still using alsa

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riksta:

as the device

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riksta:

mixer is only setting the volume

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trend:

hello

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Ediehow:

So for mixer device

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Ediehow:

i put /dev/mixer

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trend:

where is the ivtv channel?

[04:09:03]

Ediehow:

in myth?

[04:09:06]

Ediehow:

#ivtv-dev

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trend:

i tried #ivtv. and it wasn't ther

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trend:

oh

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riksta:

Ediehow, i cant remember how you do it ..sorry

[04:09:35]

riksta:

Ediehow, TIAS ;)

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john78934:

err where can you view messages generated by xorg when it starts up?

[04:09:50]

williammanda:

wow really fast scroll...still trying to look

[04:09:55]

Ediehow:

uhh

[04:09:56]

riksta:

john78934, /var/log/X.log or such

[04:09:58]

Ediehow:

it's called PCM-2

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EricL:

john78934: /var/log/X.log

[04:10:02]

Ediehow:

in regular mixer

[04:10:10]

riksta:

odd

[04:10:21]

Milosch:

williammanda: shift page up to look back

[04:10:25]

Ediehow:

and volume control still does nothing in myth

[04:10:31]

Ediehow:

i told it to use /dev/mixer and PCM-2

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riksta:

EricL, they should be created automatically by udev shouldn't they?

[04:10:56]

riksta:

did you try master?

[04:11:05]

Ediehow:

i have 3 cards on this computer

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Ediehow:

one integrated, one sb audigy 2, and one usb mic

[04:11:20]

Ediehow:

i am pretty sure sb audigy 2 is first

[04:11:22]

riksta:

theres some way you can reference the card

[04:11:25]

riksta:

like hw:1:0

[04:11:26]

riksta:

etc

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EricL:

riksta: That's what I though, but I have 2 tuner cards and only the devices for one of them are being created.

[04:11:50]

riksta:

EricL, what does dmesg say?

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Milosch:

riksta: you can index them to make one card primary, etc

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riksta:

Milosch, yeah

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Ediehow:

i just tried mixer for /dev/mixer, /dev/mixer1 and /dev/mixer2, all with master

[04:12:55]

Ediehow:

and volume change does nothing on any

[04:13:20]

riksta:

Ediehow, do you get any console output from the frontend with any errors?

[04:13:20]

EricL:

riksta: Nothing about creating the devices, but it does say the kernel modules were loaded.

[04:13:35]

riksta:

EricL, the command is "mknod" if it helps your searches

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Milosch:

Ediehow: perhaps you have too many audio cards? :)

[04:13:44]

Ediehow:

Milosch: all this worked until like one week ago

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Milosch:

damn you for upgrading

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EricL:

riksta: I know how to create the devices...I just don't konw which ones to create.

[04:14:09]

Ediehow:

let me try booting an old kernel

[04:14:17]

riksta:

EricL, me either, i use dvb-t ;)

[04:14:28]

EricL:

dvb-t?

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riksta:

oh wait that doesnt make sense ;)

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williammanda:

milo...this is the only thing i see..../usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolistentcp

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riksta:

i dont use iv-tv...anyway ;)

[04:15:18]

EricL:

I have an old bttv card and an ivtv card (PVR-250).

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riksta:

yeah i use digital terrestrial

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Milosch:

williammanda: what is the line above that one?

[04:17:52]

riksta:

williammanda, type kill -9 `pidof X`

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williammanda:

xinit /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc == /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc -auth /home/mythtv/.serverauth.3

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riksta:

ahh need to kill that too

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riksta:

or it'll respawn i guess (milosch)

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williammanda:

mythtv?

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Milosch:

smells like an inittab startup

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john78934:

whew i love xorg.conf files..

[04:20:09]

john78934:

and by love i mean

[04:20:15]

john78934:

well insert witty remark here

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riksta:

john78934, no joy then?

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john78934:

haha, joy's my webserver but still editing the xorg.conf

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john78934:

yeah i've pretty much ripped yours off verbatum and i'm still getting the same issues

[04:21:52]

riksta:

john78934, what about the horizontal sync values etc?

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riksta:

these are key....you cant just copy someone elses

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williammanda:

brb

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john78934:

yeah, its true

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john78934:

should i try to just edit those?

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john78934:

and see what i get =P

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riksta:

did you try a res of 1280x800

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john78934:

1280x800 is out of the TV's range

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riksta:

john78934, you could, but its possibly to fry the tv

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riksta:

john78934, it's widescreen right?

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john78934:

my tv has built in protection, if it goes out of its range for sync it won't display it

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john78934:

yep

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riksta:

it shouldn't be out of range, its more likely the horiz values i think

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riksta:

and vert

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john78934:

did you see the pic of what was going on?

[04:23:33]

riksta:

yeah

[04:23:44]

riksta:

i had some similar problem

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john78934:

ok, try bringing the horiz and vert values down?

[04:23:50]

riksta:

but i remember fixing it in about 5 minutes

[04:24:00]

riksta:

it was just wrong settings of res or sync values

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john78934:

yeah you're probably a bit more talented than i am =)

[04:24:08]

riksta:

not reall

[04:24:15]

riksta:

i just screwed around and got lucky

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john78934:

good deal

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riksta:

it helped that i had the stuff in the manual too

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john78934:

i'm going to play with the values

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riksta:

are you SURE it doesnt have a table?

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john78934:

yeah i'm pissed at my american manual

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john78934:

100%

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riksta:

stupid yanks ;)

[04:25:05]

john78934:

damn strait

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riksta:

i live in seattle for a while, so i'm entitled to say it ;)

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Milosch:

american manual, eh? since when do we print our own manuals?

[04:25:25]

john78934:

the american version of docs is rewritten to accomidate stupid people

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john78934:

all the time

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john78934:

its usually on japan and china imports

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john78934:

they write it so that its "easier to understand"

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riksta:

i can tell why (generalising obviously)

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riksta:

:)

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john78934:

i work for yellowbook usa as a server engineer and we always have to request the europe version of the documentation with everything we buy

[04:26:24]

john78934:

exactly

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riksta:

i worked in the redmond sweatshop for a while

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riksta:

aka Microsoft ;)

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john78934:

hahaha

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john78934:

i hear its a nice campus and its a secure job

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Milosch:

riksta: BG was on daily show last night

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john78934:

it was hilarious

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riksta:

and funny enough, i shared an office with Issac's (creator of mythtv) little brother

[04:27:04]

john78934:

first time my myth box works

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john78934:

i turn the tv on

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john78934:

and theres bill gates

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Milosch:

did you see tonight?

[04:27:26]

john78934:

"holy crap hes out to get me"

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riksta:

i saw the interview

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riksta:

i went to his house

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riksta:

its insane

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Milosch:

he left quick last night, so tonight they showed what 'really happened'

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Milosch:

popup – "Bill Gates has encountered a problem and needs to leave"

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Dr_willis:

His battery ran down?

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Dr_willis:

:)

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SlicerDicer-:

anybody have any experience with mac hardware accel?

[04:28:25]

SlicerDicer-:

or played with it?

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riksta:

naw

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john78934:

oh i hate trial and error

[04:30:37]

SlicerDicer-:

why?

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john78934:

i'm american

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SlicerDicer-:

there is so much cool stuff to trial and error :)

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john78934:

lol

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** Dr_willis does Trial and Tribulation. **

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** riksta does Trial and prison **

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johnparks:

god dammit.. i change the values for the sync and they don't cahnge anything...

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riksta:

johnparks, try a modeline maybe? btw did you google for your model of tv and xorg.conf?

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Milosch:

nite all

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riksta:

nite

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johnparks:

night

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riksta:

johnparks, what tv is it

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Bogus8:

I would like to enable the bell on my knoppmyth... anyone know where it is disabled?

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Bogus8:

I looked in many places but didn't find anything

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Dr_willis:

the bell?

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johnparks:

its a samsung s3082wh

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riksta:

Bogus8, isn't that a shell command?

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Bogus8:

yeah like when you tab complete and it get truncated because of multiple possibilites

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Dr_willis:

depends on what terminal program you are using..

[04:38:53]

Dr_willis:

and it can also be a shell setting.

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Dr_willis:

or a X setting (xset b ## ## ##)

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riksta:

set beep? in bash?

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Bogus8:

riksta: there is xset (but gxset is the gtk version) it has it right

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Dr_willis:

i always set up a visible 'bell'

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riksta:

set visualbell

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Bogus8:

Dr_willis: Yeah, I checked all the ones I could think of

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Milosch:

argh, mythbackend using 1.5G?

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johnparks:

r3079wh actually

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Bogus8:

I don't want visual bell in this instance

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riksta:

unset visualbell ;)O

[04:40:29]

riksta:

set bell-style audible is also one i think

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Dr_willis:

see if the console 'beeps' if Not then they proberly have the bash settings/startup scripts set to disable it..

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Bogus8:

I just switched to a console F2 and bell didn't work their either

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Bogus8:

so it seems more like a global disable somewhere

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riksta:

Bogus8, you have to set that for each console/tty

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Bogus8:

Dr_willis: haha jinx :)

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riksta:

unless you add it to the profile

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johnparks:

OO i think i may have found it

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Bogus8:

riksta: I have some other boxes that beep always, the one that I fought the most was because the pc speaker was turned down in alsamixer ;)

[04:42:09]

Bogus8:

I thought bell was default and turnning it off or visual was an option?

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johnparks:

crossing my fingers

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riksta:

my laptop doesn't have a pc speaker afaik

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SlicerDicer-:

johnparks: trial and error in the form of trying to get mythfrontend to compile on my mac is fun :/

[04:43:34]

Bogus8:

riksta: mine beeps through the speaker but it's treated like a pc speaker in some way

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Bogus8:

basically my laptop took a dive off the bed and I'm applying layers of super glue to get the screen back in shape ;)

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johnparks:

hehe

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Bogus8:

so no my IM (bitlbee) is not around

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johnparks:

i'll hold off on that one

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johnparks:

i've had plenty of compile time fun

[04:45:19]

johnparks:

anywho, heres what i got

[04:45:24]

johnparks:

its not liking my modeline

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riksta:

lol

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Bogus8:

so I'm ssh'ing everything to my mythbox so I can still get alerts (beeps) when I get IM's :D

[04:45:37]

riksta:

bitlbee...old skool!

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riksta:

i used to use that at work years ago to avoid getting caught on msn heh

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Bogus8:

riksta: old school :p I think it's great, I pick up my IM anywhere

[04:46:30]

riksta:

johnparks, Section "Modes" then Modeline "1280...... End Section

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riksta:

not Modes "1280.....

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Bogus8:

example I was at a girl's house the other day and she flipped out, so I told my buddy "I'm out!" and I jet... I would have missed his replies on a regular IM :)

[04:47:36]

riksta:

yeah do you detach a screen

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johnparks:

i just use ssh forwarding

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johnparks:

or rdesktop/vnc/ssh into home

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riksta:

i use openvpn

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riksta:

much easier

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riksta:

works everywhere too

[04:48:12]

johnparks:

yep

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Bogus8:

riksta: this screen session has been running for months

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riksta:

Bogus8, ya

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Bogus8:

i just use the -R -D or whatever it is to detach and reattach .. it's all in a script

[04:49:04]

riksta:

yep -r

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riksta:

screen does so much more than i bet you realise

[04:49:20]

Bogus8:

it has several switches for if it doesn't exist to make it and such

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riksta:

tabs etc

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johnparks:

so do i define a new section where my display subsection is?

[04:49:33]

Bogus8:

I love me some screen

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riksta:

johnparks, outside of any other section define a Modes section

[04:49:50]

johnparks:

kk

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GreyFoxx:

screen is probably my most used app other than myth considering I'm using screen pretty much all the time when I'm online

[04:49:55]

Bogus8:

irssi bitlbee rtorrent... I need nothing else ;)

[04:50:13]

riksta:

Bogus8, mutt

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riksta:

:)

[04:50:20]

riksta:

for email

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Bogus8:

mutt eh

[04:50:23]

Bogus8:

ah

[04:50:26]

Bogus8:

I think I've used tht

[04:50:28]

riksta:

its awesome

[04:50:36]

Bogus8:

I mainly webmail when I'm away

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GreyFoxx:

mutt rocks, especially if you get lots of mail/mailing lists

[04:50:42]

Bogus8:

I'm not a big email user actually

[04:50:45]

johnparks:

then just define it like this (sorry for the pastes guys)

[04:50:54]

riksta:

GreyFoxx, yeah, sux for html mails but what the hell, i dont like to read them anyway

[04:50:55]

johnparks:

Section "Modes"

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johnparks:

EndSection

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Bogus8:

I've also used pine (I think that's what it was)

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riksta:

johnparks, you got it

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GreyFoxx:

riksta: I setup some scripts to handle that

[04:51:16]

GreyFoxx:

I can view html emails within the mutt viewer :)

[04:51:20]

riksta:

johnparks, then you must set an Identifier in that section too

[04:51:31]

riksta:

and then in the Monitor section, UseModes "myidentifier"

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riksta:

GreyFoxx, my too but it's annoying

[04:51:40]

Bogus8:

so no one knows where my bell may be disabled from? :-/

[04:51:47]

riksta:

me*

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riksta:

Bogus8, did u try xset b?

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GreyFoxx:

rik, It's all automatic so I don't find it any different than viewing plaing text

[04:52:15]

Bogus8:

riksta: I have gxset (the gtk front end) and it shows it all set

[04:52:35]

riksta:

GreyFoxx, oh, what i really meant was those sucky HTML/image filled newsletters

[04:52:53]

riksta:

Bogus8, no idea then, apart from pc speaker muted, but think u checked

[04:52:57]

johnparks:

then thats it, don't have to worry about the "Display" subsections?

[04:52:57]

GreyFoxx:

oh, I have no use for that stuff nor I get get any of that

[04:53:08]

riksta:

GreyFoxx, me too, mostly

[04:53:14]

riksta:

johnparks, nope

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Bogus8:

riksta: yeah, I checked that and cranked it up

[04:53:21]

GreyFoxx:

I pop up a gui app for those rare items

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johnparks:

kk

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riksta:

johnparks, take out the resolution parts from Dispaly

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GreyFoxx:

99% of that crap is spam anyway :)

[04:55:45]

riksta:

i need to get me some freeweights..... im using 2x 6 litre milk containers haha

[04:55:46]

riksta:

cheapskate

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johnparks:

haha

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johnparks:

hrm... do you mind if i upload my current xorg.conf and have you look at it riksta?

[04:57:41]

riksta:

johnparks, i can try yeah

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johnparks:

thanks

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ShiftyPowers:

argggh, i hate you lirc

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ShiftyPowers:

can't get it to work with my USB UIRT

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ShiftyPowers:

i'm stuck halfway

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johnparks:

http://neon-net.servebeer.com/temp/xorg.conf

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riksta:

ok lets see

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riksta:

i'd remove all that stuff from Screen to do with modes

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johnparks:

kk

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riksta:

but other than that it's ok, and no syntax errors according to VIM

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johnparks:

do i have to define all of those subsections or can i just do right after DefaultDepth 24

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johnparks:

a new line saying

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johnparks:

err

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johnparks:

hold up

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johnparks:

nix that

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johnparks:

i'm dumb

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Ediehow:

hi riksta yeah

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Ediehow:

back at 2.6.18

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Ediehow:

it definitely changed w/the kernel

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riksta:

ya thought so

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Ediehow:

so what do i do?

[05:05:23]

riksta:

i guess just wait for someone to figure the fix

[05:05:27]

riksta:

join the mailing list

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Ediehow:

alsa, or myth?

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riksta:

myth i guess

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riksta:

and wait for sum1 to get the same prob

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riksta:

heh

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Ediehow:

volume controls still do nothing in myth

[05:08:50]

cesman:

xris: you're welcome

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riksta:

huh???

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johnparks:

STEIFE ARSCHKREICHER BARBRA BUSH.

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johnparks:

same problems.

[05:09:49]

riksta:

heh

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johnparks:

ok

[05:10:10]

riksta:

i think it's your DVI-> HDMI upscale

[05:10:12]

johnparks:

is it possible that my nvidia driver is ignoring my modelines?

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johnparks:

yeah... i think you're right... is therea ny way to fix that?

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monteslu:

is it normally for vo=x11 in mplayer for myth to produce unwatchably slow video even on a decent cpu ?

[05:11:28]

monteslu:

err.. normal

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riksta:

monteslu, works fine here

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riksta:

what card?

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monteslu:

riksta, its fast there?

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riksta:

yeah i have an intel i915

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monteslu:

your using xv then?

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monteslu:

for mplayer video out, I mean

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riksta:

x11

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GreyFoxx:

monteslu: yes that would normally cause slow playback

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riksta:

i just played a movie with -vo x11

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GreyFoxx:

spending on if it has to scale the video

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monteslu:

yeah, its scaling

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GreyFoxx:

then it's all happenning in cpu, and therefore going to increase cpu load

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monteslu:

guess i better get a decent video card for my server :)

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riksta:

here i can play the movie in x11 at 1% cpu usage

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monteslu:

riksta, in the same res that the stuff is recorded ?

[05:15:27]

riksta:

yeah

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riksta:

i can fullscreen it

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GreyFoxx:

riksta: If it doesn't need to scale it then it will just be just the cpu needed to decode

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monteslu:

or is it that x11 is hardware for open source intel video drivers?

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riksta:

oh ok

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riksta:

i didnt think about scaling it

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monteslu:

I've got a handful of tnt2s but even the 1784 driver doesnt seem to want to work anymore

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monteslu:

doing everything in software right now

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monteslu:

shouldn't the i915 be able to do hardware acceleration?

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riksta:

god knows

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riksta:

im pretty sure it does....because it can run beryl etc

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riksta:

well...clearly it does....what am i talking about ;)

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johnparks:

lol

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johnparks:

i was going to say man

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riksta:

it's 5:20am dude :P

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johnparks:

jesus! go to bed

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johnparks:

its 11 here

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johnparks:

and i think its getting late

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riksta:

i slept all day coz of screwed up work schedule the last few days

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riksta:

so wasnt tired this evening

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johnparks:

ah ha

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johnparks:

gotcha

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johnparks:

anywho any ideas on fixing the upscale?

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monteslu:

so, shouldn't you be using vo=xv ?

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riksta:

monteslu, i just added the param -vo x11 to my mplayer line on the console to test it for you

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monteslu:

ahh, ok

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johnparks:

i really am starting to wonder if i'd be getting the same errors on windows...

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johnparks:

(god shoot me)

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riksta:

can't you try?

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johnparks:

oh i can try

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johnparks:

its just a shot in the pride

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johnparks:

and i'm almost sure of what will happen =(

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johnparks:

i'll put windoze on and it'll just end up being easy and working well, possibly better than linux

[05:48:18]

johnparks:

with a quarter of the configuration

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johnparks:

and i'm just going to end up settling on it because it does what i need it to do

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adante:

in that case go with windows

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adante:

using linux simply for masochistic reasons is probably not the most healthy approach

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Dagmar:

monteslu: The Intel integrated video chipset don't accellerate.

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Dagmar:

monteslu: I have yet to see them do anything faster than Mesa would. They might as well be WinVideo cards.

[05:53:01]

Dagmar:

For 2D ops they're fine. For anything involving GL, you might as well be doing it right in the CPU.

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juski:

I thought Mesa *was* software rendering

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Dagmar:

It is.

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Dagmar:

Intel's idea of "hardware accelleration" on the i9xx and i8xx video chipset appears to be utilizing a different definition of "hardware" from the rest of the planet.

[05:54:23]

juski:

they support opengl in the very latest IEGD

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Dagmar:

I'd say to benchmark it before I believed a word they said.

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juski:

heheh

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Dagmar:

They can support OpenGL using your CPU to do all the work.

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juski:

some say that's they way stuff is going

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juski:

s/they/the

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Dagmar:

I've seen enough pathetic Windows users trying to find out why their game runs like crap to have serious doubts about anything Intel says about their video chipset.

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juski:

yeah reviews I've read about HTPCs using Intel graphics say gaming sucks

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Dagmar:

On some of the i8xx boards their stuff even renders like it's using DirectX "accelleration", complete with stippled textures where shaded colors should be

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juski:

what next? Intel decide they need 3d & buy nvidia?

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juski:

that'd be awful

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Dagmar:

Maybe they'd have real accelleration then

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ShiftyPowers:

how do i check if my mythtv install is compiled with lirc?

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juski:

ShiftyPowers: 99% chance it will be

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juski:

but i think mythfrontend --version will tell you what you need to know

[05:58:27]

ShiftyPowers:

hmm, do i need irxevent to use lirc?

[05:58:32]

ShiftyPowers:

does it have to be running?

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mishehu:

Dagmar: it's sad

[05:59:09]

Dagmar:

misheshu: Bummer. I was rather hoping it meant "patch accepted"

[05:59:14]

mishehu:

heh

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Dagmar:

I just made more work for myself with that pach

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mishehu:

donno really.

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Dagmar:

s/pach/patch/;

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mishehu:

hopefully you're luckier than I am with apr-utils

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Dagmar:

LCARS buttons are supposed to have the text on them at about 1/2 the button height, justified to the lower right.

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mishehu:

getting a measly patch accepted there is sometimes like pulling teeth.

[06:00:01]

Dagmar:

I originally had to do the buttons with them basically just being oval buttons.

[06:00:12]

Dagmar:

Now that I've made the patch, I get to go back and redo the layout and the buttons

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mishehu:

sounds like fun.

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Dagmar:

Well, it also means that I have to go back to agonizing over what the heck superfluous little graphics should be on the screen.

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juski:

Dagmar: one thing – if you don't specify halign & valign does it just assume centred?

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Dagmar:

juski: It doesnt' do anything it didn't do before.

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Dagmar:

That *should* mean that it does Qt::AlignAuto

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juski:

ah cool, so you've not made any themer enemies then :)

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Dagmar:

So, it'll be left-justified unless you're using an RTL language

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Dagmar:

Dear god no I know better than to introduce a patch that changes default behaviours.

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Dagmar:

That's the reason the patch didn't just chop <centered> support right out of there

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juski:

excellent

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Dagmar:

...and why I've got it clearing the bits for centering when it sets them.

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Dagmar:

I dont' know what would happen if you set the bits for left-justification and center-justification at the same time, and I don't want to know. It would probably be very naughty.

[06:03:32]

juski:

hmm I need new icons for neon-wide's watermarks

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Dagmar:

I have to have a serious talk with a friend of mine about his "answers".

[06:04:07]

juski:

there's a lot more theme action going on these days, which is nice

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Dagmar:

I was trying to find out from he and some other people how to detect if a variable has yet to be initialized, and he started going on about how to allocate space.

[06:04:33]

juski:

god

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Dagmar:

This ain't the first time he's done this, either.

[06:05:24]

juski:

the one patch I did that was accepted into the source took a lot of head scratching & I was asking every coder I knew (offline) about c++ & qt syntax... I needn't have bothered

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Dagmar:

It's no wonder the people that go to his perl classes have problems.

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juski:

don't ask python & c coders ;)

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Dagmar:

Well, the thing that got me is he started going on about malloc and calloc, and I was thinking to myself that I'd never seen anyone use those in C++

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juski:

is it that easy to forget the differences between C & C++?

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Dagmar:

I've read Bugtraq for enough years that the "important" stuff that involves memory allocation, I have no problems with at all.

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Dagmar:

This is why I say I don't know C or C++, but I can code in them to a point.

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juski:

I really want to start getting down & dirty with the UI code proper

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juski:

me & qt will have to become more acquainted

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Dagmar:

Qt isnt' all that hard

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Dagmar:

It's callbacks that will kill you.

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juski:

I'd like to be able to emulate some of what happens in the appletv ui

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Dagmar:

They still feel like voodoo to me and I can manage simple Gtk stuff without any problems at all.

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juski:

you have your watermark icon which changes as you select menu items, then when you go into the submenu, that watermark shrinks down & goes up to the title area

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Dagmar:

Oh you want animation

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Dagmar:

I'm not sure that's going to be doable without serious modification.

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juski:

I think smooth button movements are the order of the day too

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juski:

new theme elements

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Dagmar:

I was looking at that type of stuff when the alpha pulsing watermarks went in

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juski:

alpha pulsing.. jees

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Dagmar:

The speed of the pulsing seems to be basically a spinlock

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Dagmar:

Just, whenver it gets ready it increments and redraws

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Dagmar:

You need a separate callback timer *just* to draw events like that

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juski:

I have this horrible feeling that the easiest way to get real ui animation would be to use existing libs but that'd add yet another dependency

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Dagmar:

At least since we're dealing with TV's you could *almost* simplify things a little by tying the event to a 1/30th of a second or 1/25th of a second timer

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Dagmar:

It's a shame there doesn't seem to be a good sprite-handling library

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hads:

Mmm, but it's not always TV's

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monteslu:

Dagmar, I've got an intel chipset on a box at the office that runs bzflag nicely

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Dagmar:

hads: Yeah, but it doesnt' really need to redraw *faster* than that tho'

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juski:

like enlightenment or whatever it was called where you say "draw a list, make the selected item stand out like *this*, then make unselected items smoothly fall back into place"

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hads:

True

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Dagmar:

monteslu: bzflag is not exactly a complex scene to render

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monteslu:

sure, but mesa wouldn't render it as fast

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Dagmar:

juski: Yeah there is a whole set of callbacks on timers that happen behind the scenes when you do that

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monteslu:

BTW, vnc is fine for mythtvsetup. I actually prefer it since you can see the mouse cursur

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Dagmar:

monteslu: I'd also wonder... did you look *closely* at the textures it was drawing? Were they smooth 32-bit gradients, or is it like I usually see the thing drawing, using crosshatching and whatnot to make fake gradients...

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juski:

I mean , look at this an example.. http://www.rasterman.com/files/rage2.avi

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** Dagmar hugs his Totem build. **

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Dagmar:

Damn that's nice, but it would definitely involve adding callbacks just to deal with the animation events

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juski:

or you could just use evas & emotion

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Dagmar:

Yes, well, I'll be more than happy to let you cut through the ice on introducing *that* dependency

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juski:

I don't think there'd be much resistance, but it'd need working code examples

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Dagmar:

Man he's definitely not sparing the clockcycles there

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Dagmar:

I notice that all his movie thumbnails are animating

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juski:

mmmyers

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juski:

we needn't have all that

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juski:

that's gone too far I think

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Dagmar:

I'm going to do my ego a favor and not go back to see if his chapter mark thumbnails were also animating

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juski:

oooo.. http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2972

[06:32:25]

Dagmar:

Geez it's been a while since I've popped gmail

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Dagmar:

damn them and their usable webmail interface

[06:33:02]

Dagmar:

I'm on my sixth pass at downloading my Gmail

[06:33:50]

Dagmar:

You can only grab 600–700 emails at a time through POP3 on Gmail

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monteslu:

Dagmar, chromium and tuxracer also work fine on intel direct rendering... though chromium probably has less going on than bzflag

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monteslu:

and bzflag doesn't have much at all in the way of textures

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Dagmar:

The problem is that once you push them beyond a certain number of textures/polys, things go to the toilet

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Dagmar:

Try running something like Black & White on one of those chipsets

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Dagmar:

You will see things suck with remarkable thoroughness

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monteslu:

sure, but its still better than completely eating up cpu in software only

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monteslu:

btw, does vo=xv in mplayer require direct rendering ?

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monteslu:

for scaling, i mean

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Dagmar:

OMG Hiro's father is SULU?

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Dagmar:

That has to be one happy geek actor

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H00chster:

actually another tidbit of info heh, Hiro is actually one of Spielbergs lead graphics designers or something like that, and somehow got on the job of Heroes heh

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Dagmar:

H00chster: His day job is working for Industrial Light & Magic.

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Dagmar:

All those waves in The Perfect Storm... Those were his work.

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adante:

H00chster: yeah think his imdb trivia says he has an iq of 180 or something.. makes me ask wtc are you doing acting go cure cancer please

[06:54:59]

H00chster:

heh ya

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H00chster:

yup

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H00chster:

but have to admit he is one of the best actors in the show lol

[06:55:22]

H00chster:

I love that guy heh

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Dagmar:

He's definitely worthy of respect

[06:55:58]

H00chster:

indeed

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adante:

say, i have this entry in my crontab: 0 4 * * * myth /home/myth/.mythtv/programguide-fillscript

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adante:

yet for some reason it doesn't seem to execute properly

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Dagmar:

You don't need it.

[07:11:23]

adante:

executing it as the myth user works fine

[07:11:27]

Dagmar:

In fact, it's probably a bad idea.

[07:11:48]

adante:

Dagmar: you suggest I should use the mythbackend feature for that?

[07:11:54]

Dagmar:

Yes. Absolutely.

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adante:

hm, ok

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Dagmar:

The main reason being that the backend will randomize the time that it runs mythfilldatabase, and it will do so according to hints from Zap2it so that they can spread the load out a bit

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Dagmar:

It's not like you're not already getting listings two full weeks in advance, so a few hours difference isn't exactly going to put you in a bind for scheduling stuff

[07:13:17]

adante:

hm, can i disable the randomization?

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Dagmar:

Don't do that.

[07:13:38]

Dagmar:

It's only randomized by a few hours at most.

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adante:

well can i disable the hints from zap2it at least?

[07:14:23]

Dagmar:

You can go into the frontend and poke around for information about things I consider wasteful.

[07:14:56]

Dagmar:

If Ubuntu actually had a significant number of users running that, it would screw over Zap2it.

[07:15:03]

Dagmar:

This is not network-friendly behaviour.

[07:15:23]

Dagmar:

Such things absolutely kill timeservers.

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adante:

yeh righto

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quicksil1er:

Dagmar: wow, I never knew that

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adante:

as i'm not using zap2it, doesn't seem appropriate to get hints from them

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** quicksil1er flicks past this window in time to glean an interesting nugget **

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quicksil1er:

presumable if you aren't using zap2it it will in fact not get the hints from them ;)

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Dagmar:

Then you dont' really have to worry about disabling the hints. :)

[07:17:57]

juski:

I dunno if you know this or not but there's work on randomising the mythfilldatabase time anyway

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adante:

well, that is basically what i wanted to know :]

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juski:

for everybody

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juski:

not just zap2it

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Dagmar:

We want to be very nice to the people who are providing us program guide information without trying to wedge commercials into them.

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juski:

yup!

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adante:

i just checked my programguide-fillscript and turns out i did put a random 0–30m sleep in there anyway

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Dagmar:

adante: Excellent!

[07:19:18]

adante:

Dagmar: i don't want to be nice to the people who are providing me with program guide information, they're assholes :]

[07:19:21]

juski:

there are so many things wrong with the way ubuntu packages install mythtv

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Dagmar:

heh

[07:19:57]

adante:

that said if i have to in order to get my data, well so be it

[07:20:47]

juski:

it's not even as if there's a mechanism in place for people to pay a small amount to get epg data

[07:20:59]

juski:

I'd pay if I *had* to

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Dagmar:

Frankly, I think it's about bloody time the networks got the hint that they need to start putting XML data on their websites

[07:21:25]

juski:

you have to pay for your printed 'tv guide' after all

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adante:

juski: same, but i definitely wouldn't be happy about it

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Dagmar:

It's not like any of them aren't running websites in the first place.

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juski:

again it's just a case of calling everybody the bad man

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Dagmar:

This isn't the 80's anymore. People don't run TV stations with magnetic tapes, a scheduling clipboard, and a stopwatch.

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juski:

they don't do it because people would steal it & re-use it on their own sites

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Dagmar:

Oh dear god

[07:22:23]

Dagmar:

Then people would know when they're shows are going to come on!

[07:22:29]

Dagmar:

s/they're/their/;

[07:23:00]

Dagmar:

I kinda fail to see how this would bother anyone but tvguide.com

[07:23:00]

adante:

yes, the horror

[07:23:04]

juski:

yeah well when broadcasters' logic begins to make sense I'll let you know

[07:23:06]

quicksil1er:

they don't have to run websites; they run websites partly as a community service, partly as branding, partly as advertising

[07:23:22]

juski:

quicksil1er: yeah.. i.e. revenue generators

[07:23:33]

Dagmar:

quicksilver: I would have thought that just letting people know what they're showing would fall into the advertising budget

[07:23:37]

juski:

we need to make more money. aha! we need a website!

[07:23:40]

quicksil1er:

actually I'm talking aobu tthe UK situation where the listing provider is an independent proft-making company

[07:23:53]

quicksil1er:

if the listings were actually provided by the TV station direct that would make much more sense

[07:24:01]

ShiftyPowers:

my hourly, does anyone have a logitech harmony 880 here?

[07:24:04]

ShiftyPowers:

working wiht mythtv?

[07:24:11]

Dagmar:

There would still be a market for an aggregator for people who aren't using or don't have PVR's

[07:24:19]

quicksil1er:

certainly

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juski:

ShiftyPowers: too many variables. with what receiver? ;)

[07:24:29]

ShiftyPowers:

with a usb uirt

[07:24:32]

ShiftyPowers:

that's the key

[07:24:43]

ShiftyPowers:

i just don't know what profile to pick on the logitech website

[07:24:50]

Dagmar:

Good thing for you that the reciever and the type of remote don't have any requirements to each other

[07:25:03]

juski:

ShiftyPowers: pick A profile, then learn it on the uirt, surely?

[07:25:24]

ShiftyPowers:

but the irrecord goes ape crap when i do that

[07:25:34]

ShiftyPowers:

it says it can't find header or something else

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Dagmar:

ShiftyPowers: If you're talking about what you shoudl tell your remote to pretend it is, pretty much anything lirc already knows about would be good, with a preference towards RC5-protocol-using remotes

[07:26:00]

ShiftyPowers:

ok, interesting, what are some examples of rc5-protocol remotes then?

[07:26:03]

ShiftyPowers:

that lirc knows aobut?

[07:26:07]

Dagmar:

Panasonic's

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juski:

nobody using harmony remotes gets any sympathy from me

[07:26:55]

ShiftyPowers:

irrecord just said it found an rc6 remote

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ShiftyPowers:

i used MCE as the profile

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Dagmar:

Close enough

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Dagmar:

See if it works

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ShiftyPowers:

unknown encoding though

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ShiftyPowers:

which panasonic btw?

[07:27:23]

ShiftyPowers:

any?

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Dagmar:

Anything you have a configuration file for lirc for

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ShiftyPowers:

but i'm creating an lirc config file using irrecord no?

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Dagmar:

If you're a masochist.

[07:28:17]

Dagmar:

You have a programmable remote.

[07:28:24]

Dagmar:

You don't need to make a new profile with irrecord.

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ShiftyPowers:

ah, ok, so i can pick hauppauge

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ShiftyPowers:

then do the same on the logitech site and hopefull it should work then

[07:28:46]

Dagmar:

You just pick something lirc seems to support well, tell lirc you have that, and then tell your remote to pretend that's what it is.

[07:29:37]

ShiftyPowers:

let's try that

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quicksil1er:

and the whole thing worked with all the filesystems mounted r/w the whole time. Pretty neat.

[07:30:09]

ShiftyPowers:

what do I call it online Dagmar PVR or Media Center Computer?

[07:30:11]

ShiftyPowers:

does it matter?

[07:30:33]

Dagmar:

It doesn't really matter.

[07:30:57]

Dagmar:

Or, and this would probably give some people gigglefits, you can call it Rosebud.

[07:31:17]

Dagmar:

You can call it James... or you can call it Jimmy.

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ShiftyPowers:

hmm, rosebud

[07:32:23]

ShiftyPowers:

and i should be able to check using irw then eh?

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Dagmar:

Yep

[07:33:38]

ShiftyPowers:

GENIUS

[07:33:41]

ShiftyPowers:

i think it's working

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ShiftyPowers:

WOOHOO

[07:33:47]

ShiftyPowers:

Dagmar, thanks man

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Dagmar:

np

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ShiftyPowers:

the keys are a little messed up, buttons are mapped incorrectly

[07:34:10]

ShiftyPowers:

but I should be able to fix that no?

[07:34:15]

ShiftyPowers:

so long as each button does something?

[07:34:18]

Dagmar:

I get the feeling a graphical representation of how Myth works is not as useful a thing as a graphical representation of how LIRC works would have been

[07:34:31]

Dagmar:

ShiftyPowers: Pretty easily actually.

[07:34:52]

ShiftyPowers:

cause for example

[07:34:58]

ShiftyPowers:

some of the buttons don't work

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Dagmar:

I had to do some weird thigns on my URC-6131 to get it to make all teh buttons send something, but i've been too lazy to actually go back and fix the configuration file yet

[07:35:03]

ShiftyPowers:

how could I add them or learn them?

[07:35:20]

Dagmar:

ShiftyPowers: For those you'd look at the documentation for the remote

[07:35:36]

Dagmar:

You've got teh same problem I do, but i've just been too lazy to finish fixing my problem

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ShiftyPowers:

ah ok

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ShiftyPowers:

i'll try another profile, maybe it matches better

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Dagmar:

The URC-6131 is one of those One4All remotes, one which is specifically meant for PVRs.

[07:35:51]

ShiftyPowers:

like mceusb

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Dagmar:

You can tell it to pretend it's any one of several hundred remotes.

[07:36:24]

Dagmar:

However, most of these remotes don't have all the buttons this thing does, so no matter which one you pick, a few buttons aren't going to do anything.

[07:36:40]

Dagmar:

Thankfully, you can also tell the remote that those particular buttons belong to a different profile.

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riksta:

just get an ATI USB remote wonder

[07:37:03]

riksta:

plus it's RF based which is cool

[07:37:10]

Dagmar:

So like, normally my URC-6131 thinks it's a Panasonic model...

[07:37:42]

Dagmar:

...but since the Guide button has no analog on the Panasonic, I bound that button to a different remote's profile that does have a Guide button.

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ShiftyPowers:

yeah

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ShiftyPowers:

i think i'd have to do that

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ShiftyPowers:

with my harmony

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ShiftyPowers:

several profiles into one essentially

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Dagmar:

So, once the guide button is sending a unique signal, I jsut gotta go grab the entry for the guide button for that *other* remote and graft it into my lirc config

[07:38:40]

Dagmar:

At no point will I need to try to "learn" the signal itself

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xris:

ShiftyPowers: which remote is it? mceusb or mceusb2?

[07:39:11]

ShiftyPowers:

such a pain in the ass

[07:39:15]

Dagmar:

...because down that road lies pain and misery and general annoyance.

[07:39:18]

ShiftyPowers:

i picked mceusb as the lirc config

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xris:

riksta: I actually get better range/reception with my mceusb2 than with my ATI-alike remote.

[07:39:34]

xris:

ShiftyPowers: but which remote is it, physically speaking?

[07:39:53]

Dagmar:

I've got OmniRemote for my PDAs and while it's a great little program, it's a huge pain in the ass to sit down and vampire all the buttons off something

[07:40:02]

riksta:

xris, really? cool. I never encoutered any range problem with my ATI usb, my box is about 15–20 feet away

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quicksil1er:

oops a chunk of the internet just fell off :P

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** kormoc blinks **

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Dagmar:

Eep

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Dagmar:

One of the pipes burst

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Dagmar:

Too much porno clogging it I guess.

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xris:

riksta: mine started freaking out at 30 or so feet of straight line (kitchen -> tv). my mce stuff even seemed to go around corners better. it's a DAMN bright LED.

[07:41:08]

ShiftyPowers:

actually this worked out almost perfectly

[07:41:08]

kormoc:

the first returns!

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ShiftyPowers:

i think i just need to play with the .lircrc now

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ShiftyPowers:

i used MCEUSB as the lirc config and then set hte harmony to replicate a microsoft based MCE remote

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riksta:

i just tested mine from 30+ feet seemed to work fine, maybe your batteries were low?

[07:42:09]

riksta:

the harmony is RF based?

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kormoc:

riksta, I've hit 50' with my mceusb2 remote easily, I've almost made 100' before, but that was flaky. I just know that it picked up some of the keypresses (at night)

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ShiftyPowers:

no, harmony 880 is IR

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ShiftyPowers:

890 is RF

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xris:

ShiftyPowers: gotcha.

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riksta:

lol you guys are crazy, i can hardly see the tv from 30 feet ;)

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kormoc:

riksta, mine was purely a distance check, my tv is 10' or so :P

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riksta:

:)

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xris:

riksta: was just testing it. I actually just use an rf keyboard for myth. can never rember which remote buttons do what.

[07:43:41]

riksta:

i use both a rf keyboard and the remote, but the keyboard has a SUCKYYY ass range

[07:43:47]

riksta:

it's an MS multimedia weireless thing

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juski:

my living room is 40 feet long & my OFA-6 works great over the whole length of it – but not with my pioneer av amp :(

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kormoc:

riksta, my mce keyboard gets same range as my remote :P

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riksta:

the keyboard won't even do 10'

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Dagmar:

It's almost a shame there's no way to get a company to make cheap remotes that are designed to have a device learn to talk to them

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juski:

gah why are so many free icons so lame?

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Dagmar:

Somethign with a bucketful of buttons that all do something

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riksta:

Dagmar, there's you're niche heh

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Dagmar:

juski: Because lots of people can't draw for sh*t

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Dagmar:

riksta: I could make such a thing happen but there'd be no way to make it cheaply

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juski:

I can't draw better than these guys can't draw ;)

[07:45:32]

juski:

er I mean I can 'can't draw' better ;)

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Dagmar:

juski: You mean your crap looks more artistic

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riksta:

it's more about being intuitively designed

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Dagmar:

Man at this point I'd settle for just having all the buttons MythTV wants

[07:46:41]

juski:

I think I'll have to go back to my own drawing board

[07:46:58]

juski:

the only way to get a consistent look

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Dagmar:

juski: I use my second monitor just to keep a scratch graphic open with all the elements and colors I'm working with

[07:47:28]

juski:

neon-wide won't be having photographic watermarks

[07:47:41]

juski:

they'll be greyscale too

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juski:

and shiny, and mirrored so the background looks more blingy

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Dagmar:

What we need are ui theme elements for the transient dialogs

[07:49:07]

Dagmar:

Something that *doesn't* use the main theme background

[07:49:51]

Dagmar:

Have you noticed it doesn't scale the background on them?

[07:50:05]

juski:

yeh

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Dagmar:

I'm not even sure how to suggest a fix for that

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Dagmar:

When I was originally making the background for LCARS with the elbo on it at 1024x768 that kinda got my attention

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Dagmar:

I was running the display in 800x600 so I could be lazy and not have to use a calculator to scale the measurements I was making of the screenshots using Gimo

[07:53:03]

xris:

juski: can you run svn from your domain name, or is it some sort of locked-down host?

[07:53:04]

Dagmar:

I was like, why the heck is the elbo so much BIGGER in the dialog background...

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quicksil1er:

the tango project has some decent free icons

[07:55:16]

Dagmar:

Yep

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juski:

xris: my domain name is a redirect to my isp-based webspace

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quicksil1er:

which would be totally inappropriate for your purpose, probably ;)

[07:55:59]

Dagmar:

...and tigert and jamesh always seem to come out with a set when you're not looking

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juski:

ideally I'd just use 3d models, but free ones of those seem to be mostly fawking spaceships

[07:57:49]

Dagmar:

Ugh

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quicksil1er:

hmm

[07:58:04]

Dagmar:

The pain of trying to find somethign to edit *simple* meshes that doesn't annoy the hell out of you

[07:58:06]

quicksil1er:

spaceship theme

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xris:

juski: I'll take that as a no.

[07:58:16]

juski:

I like the Retro watermarks very much

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Dagmar:

The last time I did it, I went into Second Life and made my screenshots there

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juski:

xris: I can't even have php

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juski:

xris: thanks. I'm working towards checking stuff into my own svn server here now

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juski:

I still have some RTFM work to do though

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Dagmar:

Be glad you're not using CVS

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xris:

juski: gotta do SOMETHING with all of that drive space on the new mythtv.org server. :)

[08:01:21]

Dagmar:

I kinda think the main reason SVN took over so much CVS attention is that it doesn't have miles of freaking bizarre documentation associated with it

[08:01:38]

xris:

Dagmar: and directory-awareness

[08:02:13]

Dagmar:

After dealing with CVS for so long, I felt like I must have been leaving stuff out when I tried to setup SVN

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Dagmar:

craaaap

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Dagmar:

I have a bad feeling about what's going to happen when I test this theme at 800x600

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xris:

juski: fyi, latest version of blootube works fine for me

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Dagmar:

Okay. Now I feel like "How did I not notice this Grand Canyon in my backyard"

[08:09:53]

juski:

xris: cool :)

[08:10:23]

Dagmar:

Themes designed at a particular resolution which involve pixmaps of a specific size in relation to the display ARE NOT HAPPY when you change resolutions.

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juski:

Dagmar: ouchy

[08:11:14]

Dagmar:

http://blairhouse.homeip.net:88/http://blairh . . . eargodno.png

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Dagmar:

juski: VERY ouchy

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Dagmar:

Looks like I get to require people to run their display at 1024x768 as well as telling them how many rows to allow the EPG

[08:11:57]

** Dagmar goes to look at some Qt documentation **

[08:12:11]

Dagmar:

There's got to be a way to do a rescale of these things

[08:12:15]

juski:

4:3 themes should be based on 800x600

[08:12:32]

juski:

all sizes are scaled by the UI code AFAIK

[08:12:44]

Dagmar:

Yeah, that's all fine and dandy, but if I'd designed this at entirely 800x600 it would still screw up when the display is actually at 1024x768

[08:12:45]

xris:

juski: and blootube at that res makes my box swap. :(

[08:13:10]

Dagmar:

juski: If you want I can show you where your icons in your themes are changing size based on the screen resolution

[08:13:23]

juski:

xris: it's no bigger than projectgrayhem

[08:13:32]

xris:

juski: I was using Blue on that box before

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juski:

Dagmar: most do

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juski:

xris: how much ram do you have?

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Dagmar:

They should *not* however

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juski:

256MB or less?

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xris:

512

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juski:

eep

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xris:

odd, though.

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Dagmar:

If I can find a quick rescale function in Qt I may take a crack at patching around this craziness

[08:14:21]

xris:

says 221M is cache

[08:14:32]

xris:

but I suddenly can't do livetv on the box.

[08:14:54]

xris:

come to think of it, it's only livetv that's an issue. nevermind. even watching "recorded" tv that's in-progress being recorded works fine

[08:15:01]

juski:

Dagmar: if I draw a 16x16 icon on my screen at 800x600 I'd expect it to be scaled so someone running at 8000x6000 will be able to see it

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Dagmar:

juski; It'll be about an eigth of an inch across

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juski:

Dagmar: scaling is essential

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Dagmar:

er no eightieth

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Dagmar:

It doesn't scale them

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Dagmar:

We need to specify the size images should be done as in the theme I suspect

[08:16:04]

juski:

are you talking about the 'type' icons used in the watch recordings screen?

[08:16:13]

Dagmar:

juski; You saw the URL there, right?

[08:16:18]

Dagmar:

The one I just posted?

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juski:

got it

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Dagmar:

When it's pasting bitmap images to the display, it's doing them at *exactly* the pixel size they are

[08:16:37]

juski:

404 again

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Dagmar:

juski: http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/deargodno.png should not be 404

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Dagmar:

I have somewhere else I can punt it to tho'

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juski:

you posted http://blairhouse.homeip.net:88/http://blairh . . . eargodno.png

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Dagmar:

I must have mis-pasted

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juski:

I don't get what you're saying

[08:17:51]

Dagmar:

Okay, look at http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/deargodno.png

[08:17:58]

Dagmar:

It should be reachable since it's on port 80

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juski:

what am I looking for on that pic?

[08:18:09]

Dagmar:

You don't see a problem with

[08:18:16]

Dagmar:

You don't see a problem with "MAIN MENU" being half off the screen?

[08:18:41]

juski:

it's not scaling the title graphics?

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juski:

cant say I've ever noticed that

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Dagmar:

To put it another way, if you have an element that is 400 pixels wide, and you set it to offset 399 on the x-axis, it'll go right to the edge of the screen if the display is at 800x600

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Dagmar:

If you have the display at 1024x768, it's going to leave a big hunk of empty space at the right hand side

[08:19:51]

Dagmar:

It's not scaling any of the graphics except the background image

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juski:

nah I find that hard to believe

[08:20:53]

juski:

I tested blootube at 1280x720 last night & everything was elongated

[08:21:18]

Dagmar:

Here, I'll change my screen res and do another screenshot of the same theme

[08:21:27]

Dagmar:

Had to go kick my gf off the box

[08:22:04]

Dagmar:

Open a new tab and look at http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/saneversion1024.png

[08:22:12]

Dagmar:

The only thing I did was change the display resolution

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xris:

I run blootube (non-wide) at 1680x1050 with no trouble

[08:22:40]

Dagmar:

xris: *those* it will rescale according to the docs

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juski:

Dagmar: you only changed resolution without restarting mythfrontend?

[08:22:53]

Dagmar:

juski: No, I restarted X and everything

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juski:

Dagmar: something is wrong on your box

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Dagmar:

Unless the frontend is somehow fixated on my display res now for osme reason

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Dagmar:

I'll have to poke at it and make sure i don't have any GUI size thigns screwing me up

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juski:

test it with --geometry ;)

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xris:

Dagmar: do you get the "resizing" stuff when you load up?

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Dagmar:

xris: Sometimes.

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Dagmar:

I don't really pay attention to when

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juski:

it should rescale everything unless you're running at exactly 800x600 for 4:3 themes

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juski:

which might take a while

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juski:

I'd be seeing a hell of a lot of bugs from people using my themes otherwise

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Dagmar:

It did *used* to rescale that background and this time it didn't

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Dagmar:

I wonder what the hell caused that

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juski:

maybe it's tired ;)

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Dagmar:

I will be pissed if I have to redo all the images now. heh

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juski:

woo kdelook.org has some *well* snazzy icon sets :)

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juski:

GPL, too

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xris:

anyway, it's late and I have a morning meeting.. talk to you all tomorrow.

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juski:

night xris

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jduggan:

hi

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jduggan:

morning

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jduggan:

uhm

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jduggan:

back to software raid

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jduggan:

i dont install lilo in the md0 partition right

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jduggan:

the bootloader

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jduggan:

its in first partition of each disk huh?

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jduggan:

or first disk

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jduggan:

or grub, for that matter

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juski:

www.juski.co.uk/icontest.png

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juski:

shiny, glowing :)

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juski:

i might get the hang of this stuff one day

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quicksil1er:

shiny? I had to put my sunglasses on to look at it

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quicksil1er:

nice work

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juski:

20 mins to make _one_ thing. pfft.

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juski:

neon-wide might be ready by next xmas

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quicksil1er:

script the magic tricks you used to make that

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quicksil1er:

and then automate the other buttons, within reason!

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stuarta:

morning all

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juski:

morning

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stuarta:

5.28am for sending email? you were up early!

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juski:

yep

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juski:

I should go to work soon

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stuarta:

slacker

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juski:

slacking, I am not. fiddling with theme stuff :)

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juski:

Ewrongjobsyndrome

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stuarta:

ahh. work avoidance :)

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rsdvd:

Morning Juski !

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rsdvd:

Juski : that copile ran all evening yesterdat – than died :-( I see why poeple hate building this stuff

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juski:

morning. think it's time I was off or I'll no job to avoid working in

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juski:

*have no job

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juski:

back in a bit

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rsdvd:

:-)

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juski:

can't wait til the weekend!

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juski:

theme frenzy :D

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anxt:

everytime i run nuvexport my system hangs

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anxt:

like hard locks no magic sysreq

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anxt:

any ideas? it seems i can run mprime torture test

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anxt:

and the rams is good

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rsdvd:

welcome back Juski

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juski:

thanks :)

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juski:

so you had bother building minimyth again then

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rsdvd:

yes – it died with a "error: gar-minimyth cannot be run by the user 'root'."

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juski:

argh

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juski:

that's important though

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juski:

since it might overwrite the host binaries if you spec a config wrongly ;)

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rsdvd:

:-) I think I give up for now! hopefully gardengnome will have more luck

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juski:

pablo must be some kind of geniuis

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juski:

or genius even :)

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rsdvd:

LOL – I think he is!

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juski:

oh I just build this OS from scratch & I understand what every single error message is

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juski:

:-O

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rsdvd:

:-)

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juski:

jesus no wonder a vnc session to my linux box was slow last night

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juski:

it was vnc'd into the box I was vnc'ing from already

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pat_:

pablo IS a god

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juski:

vnc feedback!

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rsdvd:

arhhhh :-)

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juski:

I run 2 vnc servers on my umbongo machine

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rsdvd:

It is always good to see a vnc -> vnc session – you get a never ending cacade of windows :-) like videoing a TV

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juski:

well I had these new caddies up to 60 deg. C all night & there were no discontinuities in the signals

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juski:

a good first sign

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juski:

now down to 0

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rsdvd:

well you have tested them now – you can get on with your theme :-)

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juski:

not on a pc with a max res of 640x480

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rsdvd:

Ouch – is that all you get at work?

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juski:

I'm at a remote outpost

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stuarta:

at the end of wet string :)

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rsdvd:

lol – 'remote outpost' makes it sound like you are in the arctic or something

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juski:

Swinton

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stuarta:

just as bad

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juski:

far from civilisation

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** stuarta threatens his mailserver with a trout **

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rsdvd:

I used to live near there – I have friends in swinton

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rsdvd:

I used to work in BOC in Swinton

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esperegu:

anyone a suggetion to get my sound going with mythtv? (tvtime has sound)

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stuarta:

esperegu: unmute

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juski:

where I am now isn't far from there. just orf the road to hell :)

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esperegu:

stuarta: how?

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esperegu:

which key?

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** juski zaps all framegrabber cards with a fatal dose of static electricity **

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juski:

FZZZZZZTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!

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rsdvd:

juski : 'road to hell' = East Lancs ?

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juski:

A666

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rsdvd:

Arh :-)

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juski:

bolton road

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stuarta:

esperegu: lets take a step back, what are you using to capture tv?

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juski:

esperegu: it's been a while since I last said thi sto anybody, but have you looked at the troubleshooting section in the mythtv docs?

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juski:

the basic idea is to MUTE the line input in alsamixer or whatever but make sure it's set to be recorded, again in alsamixer or gnome-mixer or whatever

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juski:

if audio isn't coming out of mythtv even with the line input UNmuted, then you will need to unmute the tuner card's audio with a v4lc4l command

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esperegu:

juski: yes

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juski:

sound in tvtime but not mythtv usually needs v4lctl to fix it IIRC

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esperegu:

juski: but that info I haven't found yet

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juski:

what I've just said isn't in those docs :(

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esperegu:

I use ubuntu..

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esperegu:

gonna check it out

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** stuarta suggests juski write new sections on troubleshooting for the docs **

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juski:

if you don't have the v4lctl command it should come bundled with xawtv

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esperegu:

I have it

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** gbee suggests a new section in the docs for Ubuntu – "Don't use it." **

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juski:

hahaha

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** juski seconds that **

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esperegu:

hehe.. gotta go.. bbl! thx!

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juski:

I *would* write something about it, but I have negative feelings towards lamegrabbers & therefore no sympathy

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stuarta:

hah!

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juski:

but I've been wondering how if so few people read the docs, how the hell they find this channel

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stuarta:

they join #mythtv, ask stupid questions

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stuarta:

get pointed here.

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** stuarta has been accused of having "read the topic" bound to a single keypress **

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juski:

jesus wept, this chamber needs a new pump again

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gbee:

?

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juski:

it's heating but not cooling

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juski:

it cools by evaporating water

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** stuarta suggests snow **

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juski:

this thing can make snow

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juski:

but not if it can't cool

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** gbee reads back to the bit where juski describes his job and finally understands **

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juski:

silly operator error

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juski:

someone's been trying to use the damn thing from its 3 button front panel

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juski:

rather than the top of the line acer 1100 pc

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juski:

not gonna do much cooling if you turn off the humidifier

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stuarta:

the old "chair to keyboard error" strikes again.

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Zider:

Id-10-t error

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stuarta:

juski's not that bad :)

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juski:

I have my days

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juski:

jees "i ran this message on -users for the last couple of days but got no help" so automatucally assume it's for the -dev list, right?

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hads:

Bloody distroists, Ubuntu works fine for me :)

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juski:

works fine for me but I'm not recommending it

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hads:

May I enquire as to why?

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juski:

choose life: don't own a computer

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juski:

no you may not.

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hads:

Oh well then :)

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hads:

Yay, I just made my epg script 1000 times slower.

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juski:

it's about the best I've tried from a 'works out of the box' point of view but that isn't saying much

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gbee:

hads: it seems a large percentage of people having problems setting up mythtv are using ubuntu

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juski:

95% of them are caused by the mythtv-database package I think

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gbee:

now that's unscientific, it may be that ubuntu attracts unskilled newbies or that ubuntu is simply used by far more people

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hads:

That could be because a lot of 'newb' users tend to use Ubuntu too

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hads:

Yeah, what you said.

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juski:

well, the mythtv mysql user password randomisation isn't helping

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hads:

Heh yeah, I install a base system with apt then install myth from SVN

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juski:

I wouldn't care – first time i ever tried it, it took about an hour to go from a flat hdd without any hassle

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juski:

dunno what happened since then

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gbee:

there should be an additional clause in the GPL: "If you're too incompetent to package this application correctly you are prohibited from trying"

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gbee:

that might just cripple a few distros though

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juski:

I just think there's something a bit weird about the whole ubuntu ethos. everything is 'awesome' & there's too much group hugging going on

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juski:

utopiaOS it should've been called

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hads:

I'm fairly impressed by their progress

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juski:

for what it is, it's good. it's not what I want though

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hads:

Fair enough, nothing fits everyone

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stuarta:

gbee: if that happened there would never be any new distros

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juski:

too many forks have spoiled a lot of open source IMHO

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juski:

damn egos :)

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juski:

it's impressive that mythtv has stayed together for this long – and long may it continue

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Fony_Vaio:

hear hear

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juski:

not been much on the wire from Elisa since the initial flurry of dugg & slashdotted musing has there? ;)

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