Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, January 29th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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|Torg|:

ask that dsp to o something else and it flat out cant

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jasonwc:

[shodan]: CCCP sucks. Get coreavc

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[shodan]:

IMAX Fighter Pilot in 720p was amazing though :)

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Dagmar:

monkeyBox: Every file it creates *also* goes into the database, and it _expects_ those files to be there until *it* deletes them

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monkeyBox:

oh

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[shodan]:

jasonwc, k, I didn't even know there was an alternative

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monkeyBox:

Dagmar, so, I guess I need to remove it from the db then also :-p

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jasonwc:

is Nvidia's Pure Video codec the equivilant of xvmc on windows? I can play 1080i @ 20% CPU on an amd 64 3000+

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jasonwc:

otherwise it's spiked at 100% w/o

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monkeyBox:

Dagmar, any idea what table this would be in?

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|Torg|:

no not even fclose

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jasonwc:

|Torg|: I thought it does the same thing. Hardware acceleration for certain video playback (deinterlacing etc.)

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|Torg|:

think of mpeg as jpg with motion compensation

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Dagmar:

monkeyBox: No. This is why I don't screw around with files

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kormoc:

jasonwc, XvMC is part of purevideo, XvMC 2.0 will be all of pure video (so I've heard)

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|Torg|:

that motion is called idct, and xvmc offloads that computing to the dsp of the cvideo card

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jasonwc:

[shodan]: I use coreavc pro to play back 720p x.264. With ffdshow it's a slideshow. With coreavc it's smooth. x.264 is very CPU intensive- much moreso than Quicktime's implementation of H.264 which isn't even High Profile.

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|Torg|:

xvmc + mpeg decoder = nvidia codecs

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|Torg|:

not exactly but close

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jasonwc:

|Torg|: so pure video is better than xvmc?

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jasonwc:

i.e. does more

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kormoc:

yes, it does to more currently

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|Torg|:

better is a matter of opiniojn, does more yes

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jasonwc:

I see a lot of howtos and guides for setting up HDTV tuners on mythtv but most are old (0.19 or earlier). Is the process simplified in newer kernels, and with mythtv 0.20

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jasonwc:

shouldn't the dvb drivers already be included for any recent kernel?

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xris:

jasonwc: generally speaking, yes

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|Torg|:

yes setting up a dvb card is matter of insalling the proper driver, the manufactor of that card can help

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|Torg|:

getting it to work in mythtv is a matter of it taking the dvb protocal correctly and those drivers working

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jasonwc:

I'm looking at the dvico FunsionHDTV5 RT Lite card

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|Torg|:

its sort of like saying you need to know how to set up your CPU or memory so it can work with mythtv

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xris:

|Torg|: except that tuner cards sort of need these things called drivers.

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|Torg|:

I would HIGHLY suggest that BEFORE you buy a dvb card (well any card for that matter) you go to the munfactors site and look up drivers for it

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|Torg|:

screw what it says on teh box, look to see what drivers exist

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xris:

|Torg|: how many manufacturers include linux drivers?

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|Torg|:

if you cant find a linux driver, dont but it

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|Torg|:

all my cards :)

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[shodan]:

the tricky part is getting your subscription DVB-S service to work with all this

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|Torg|:

shodan the only way to do that without a CI is illegal and we do not talk about it here

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jasonwc:

[shodan]: i would be using QAM or OTA

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jasonwc:

what's the best HDTV tuner with QAM and OTA support, that works well with linux and mythtv?

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xris:

jasonwc: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_cards

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|Torg|:

why do I have the raid card I have, becase there was a promise raid driver. Why do I have the sound card I have, becase there was a cmi driver for it

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|Torg|:

so I buy hardware based upo the fact a driver exits

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|Torg|:

exists too :P

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[shodan]:

|Torg|, not so sure about that, I do send 80$/month to BEV, and the radiocommunication act is pretty clear that accessing a network only requires authorisation (which I have)

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jasonwc:

xris: thanks, the The DViCO FusionHDTV 5 LITE is listed as supported for both :)

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xris:

|Torg|: all I was saying was that "going to the manufacturer's site" isn't always the best way to find out if there is a linux driver available.

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|Torg|:

ok xris I agree, I should have been more general

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ShiftyPowers:

guys, i managed to get twinview set up just now in clone mode

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ShiftyPowers:

works great

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ShiftyPowers:

but the image on my projector (the second monitor)

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ShiftyPowers:

is too big, it's overscanning

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** xris heads out to costco to return the evil deep fryer. **

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ShiftyPowers:

anyone know how to fix that in nvidia-settings or something?

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|Torg|:

first go to the manufaoroit, then go to the community, learn what chip is inside and BE VERY CAREFULL of cards that have differnt revs and chips that dont work

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jasonwc:

xris: According to http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVICO, it sounds like the driver is in the kernel, so a recent kernel should "just work"?

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jasonwc:

xris: it says the necessary code was in 2.6.13 CVS

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jasonwc:

Anyone using a Fusion HDTV5? mchou?

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jasonwc:

damn, snapstream is selling the Fusion HDTV5 Lite with a Zenith ZHDTV1 Indoor Antenna for $99. Not bad.

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|Torg|:

indoor antennae only will work if you live close to the bcast source

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jasonwc:

I live about 4 miles away

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jasonwc:

I'm very close to Boston.

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|Torg|:

well hell a coat hanger woudl work then :P

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jasonwc:

At home I'm 12–13 miles away, but I want to use QAM there.

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jasonwc:

what's the most commonly used hdtv tuner- air2pc HD5000?

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Aurelius:

i don't have hd, so no idea ;)

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|Torg|:

actaul nobody here woudl really know I can only tell you what I use and there are a few more that do too

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Aurelius:

hehe

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jasonwc:

|Torg|: what do you use?

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|Torg|:

air2pc cards, there really 3rg gen but listed as 1st gen on that page xris pasted

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[shodan]:

can more than one mythtv client watch the same Live TV feed ?

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|Torg|:

0000:00:0d.0 Network controller: Techsan Electronics Co Ltd B2C2 FlexCopII DVB chip / Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card (rev 02)

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|Torg|:

0000:00:0f.0 Network controller: Techsan Electronics Co Ltd B2C2 FlexCopII DVB chip / Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card (rev 02)

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jasonwc:

[shodan]: From what I remember, No.

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jasonwc:

or at least not in a straightforward way

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jasonwc:

I think you can, but then if one user changes the channel, the other is kicked off or it changes

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jasonwc:

I tried a while back. I can't recall now.

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jasonwc:

|Torg|: Was setting the card up in Linux and getting it working in MythTV difficult?

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[shodan]:

k ,well I wouldn't change the channel , I just want my pc and my xbmc client to watch the same thing

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jasonwc:

|Torg|: Currently I have a standard BTTV card using digital out for audio, and a Hauppauge PVR-250

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jasonwc:

bttv basically just worked, and the pvr-250 wasn't too hard to get working once i found the right ivtv driver.

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jasonwc:

[shodan]: is that for the pvr-150?

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jasonwc:

when i purchased my pvr-250, the 150 barely worked.

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[shodan]:

no my DVB card was cx88 based

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jasonwc:

31 -> DViCO FusionHDTV 5 Gold [18ac:d500]

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jasonwc:

apparently the fusionhdtv5 gold is also cx88 based

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|Torg|:

your asking me if it was diffcult for me to set up linux, since I know linux well (have used it for nearly 10 years now) and used to devlop kernel drivers, the answer would be no

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|Torg|:

but expericance tells me that isnt true for everyone else

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jasonwc:

So, it wasn't trivial.

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|Torg|:

#define trival :P

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jasonwc:

[shodan]: what did you have to do to set it up?

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Aurelius:

trivial

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Aurelius:

:P

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|Torg|:

I took a knoppmyth cd, booted it, had to hack the install a bit, got the thing to run, played with drivers and fimeware untill I got what I wanted and eventually bought an antanna that I put up outside becase my internal one wouldnt work

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[shodan]:

jasonwc, build the right drivers with my kernel, setup mythtv to use EIT , and something else that you won't have to deal with if you stick to FTA signals and that's it

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|Torg|:

aside from that antenna propblem yes it was easy

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jasonwc:

|Torg|: how far are you from the transmitter towers for the channels you're using?

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[shodan]:

it pretty much "just worked", you could follow the instructions at the linuxtv wiki and that would be pretty much what I did to get it to work

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|Torg|:

50–75 miles

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|Torg|:

I use a directional antean array, sonds expensive, its called a TV antenna and costed $75

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Aurelius:

only $75? hehe

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|Torg|:

ATSC is bcast off of upper band VHF and UHF

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|Torg|:

if you see adds that say the antenna is "for" HDTV its a marketring lie

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|Torg|:

what you want is a plain old antenna ala 1960's technology

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|Torg|:

antennaweb can help mostly, but its information is not 100% reliable

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Aurelius:

it's older than 1960's ;)

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SlicerDicer-:

huzzah for SVN!

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jasonwc:

|Torg|: for me, all the channels i want are in yellow- small, multi-directional antenna

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|Torg|:

I woudlnt doubt that :

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|Torg|:

I live far enough away all mine are purple or blue

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|Torg|:

in fact half of the channels antennaweb says I can get I cant, and a few that I cant I do

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|Torg|:

I get better reception at night (well duhh its UHF) and I get a stronger sigal from 75 miles to teh south then I do 35 miles to the north

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|Torg|:

4 of the channels I reciver I can not get according to any website

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|Torg|:

and untill I put a dropamp in none of them would stay locked

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jasonwc:

is there a comprehensive howto for setting up an ATSC card on debian/ubuntu + getting it working with mythtv

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jasonwc:

it seems the mythtv wiki has more general info

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Aurelius:

heh

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|Torg|:

I have to lie to zap2it where I live in order to get listing too

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Aurelius:

|Torg|: antenna web is probably based on the contour maps, which aren't super fine resolution

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|Torg|:

ok jasonwc , install card, install drivers, run mythtv-setup and chose dvb card

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|Torg|:

easy enough?

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jasonwc:

|Torg|: i thought the mythtv setup part was more complex

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|Torg|:

antennaweb dosnt know about contour, some of the ones I am suposed to get are VHF and there is a nice big hill in the way. The reason I dont get them isnt a mistery but antennaweb insists I can when i can not.

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Aurelius:

no

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jasonwc:

i.e. figuring out what channels are available, specifying subchannels etc.

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Aurelius:

torg, there are fcc requirements for stations to have contour maps

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|Torg|:

the mythtv part invloved telling it what number the card is

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Aurelius:

ie, calculated signal strength at various points

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Aurelius:

not ground contour like topography

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|Torg|:

oh, yea then antennaweb dosnt use them for a fact

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Aurelius:

doesn't use the contour maps?

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|Torg|:

the local fox staion for example bcasts to the north and isnt even close to me, antennaweb insisnst I can recive it

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|Torg|:

the only norhten statiosn I can recive are omni directioal bcasts

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|Torg|:

the ones to the south are north bcasts too, but beyod the range there suposed to be able to be recieved

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Aurelius:

so what are they basing it on? :)

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|Torg|:

so if antennaweb was using one of those maps it wouldnt be telling me I can get statiion I fall well out of its bcast footprint even if I do live within range of an omni bcast

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|Torg|:

stright line distance I presume

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jasonwc:

So, what do you have to do to get QAM working in mythtv? I would imagine it's pretty similar.

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|Torg|:

how far and what direction is point a from point b

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Aurelius:

nah

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|Torg|:

yes jasonwc same thing

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jasonwc:

|Torg|: um, so you don't get Fox?

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Aurelius:

cuz it is showing me KDTV and KOVR

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Aurelius:

and KDTV's tower is closer, but has a weaker signal due to obstructions

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Aurelius:

so i'm curious now what they use :)

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jasonwc:

Isn't QAM better than OTA since you don't have to worry about signal strength? If you get basic cable, then you should get the broadcast channels in HD.

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jasonwc:

FCC mandates unencrypted broadcast channels for cable

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Aurelius:

QAM is just a modulation

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|Torg|:

Its showing me WFAA I can get and KDAF which I can not, it does not tell me about KWTX which I can get

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jasonwc:

i mean, isn't it better to receive the signal using cable rather than over the air, since you don't need an antenna and dont' need to worry about signal strength, obstructions, distance from towers etc.

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|Torg|:

you have to worry about signal strenght with ANY signal QAM not withstanding

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Aurelius:

If a station is not shown in your list, often it is absent for one the following reasons:

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Aurelius:

Your location is not in the predicted Grade B signal area of the station (most typical if you are hoping to receive a station that is in another city, for instance a user lives in Tacoma but was hoping to receive Portland stations)

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Aurelius:

AHHHH

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Aurelius:

they DO use the contours

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|Torg|:

then why is it telling me I can get stations that the FCC clearly maps out of my area?

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Aurelius:

contours are merely calculations

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jasonwc:

|Torg|: What do you mean? Why would you have signal strength problems on cable?

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jasonwc:

And if you did, the cable company could just give you another direct line

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|Torg|:

bad cable, long distance runs, there are alot of reasons

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|Torg|:

where do you think I got that drop amp from :)

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jasonwc:

ah

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|Torg|:

do you want my soapbopx speach on why you shoudl tel you cable company to sove it and go get ATSC cards?

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jasonwc:

sure

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|Torg|:

ok cable company wil chage you for hacving more then one tv, they will charge you for having a pvr (if you can call it that) and they charge you for the local staions

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|Torg|:

they also rape bandwisdth from lcoal station so they can make more money off of PPV

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|Torg|:

for free you can can get better quaility TV

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fysa:

I told cable company to shove it, they offered a $13/month basic service that includes all analog stations 2–26 and I can still get QAM from them..

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fysa:

funnily enough, they can't seem to stop me from receiving up to channel 98 as it's unencrypted, so I get that too. ;)

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|Torg|:

and I dont pay extra for HDTV

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|Torg|:

I can skip commericals

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fysa:

so $13 to not have to put an antenna on my roof..

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|Torg|:

and my PVR does a whole hell of allot more then stick me to watchign on demand

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|Torg|:

oh did I menation it was free?

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jasonwc:

|Torg|: so, if antennaweb gives me a "yellow" for a station, i should be fine with an internal antenna?

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|Torg|:

in thoery yes, it probably will

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Aurelius:

are you talking about KDAF-DT or KDAF analog?

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|Torg|:

KDAF-DT

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Aurelius:

and KWTX-DT or KWTX-TV?

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Aurelius:

all -DT?

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|Torg|:

on the exact same tower as KTXA btw

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|Torg|:

all DT

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Aurelius:

ok

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|Torg|:

also on that damn daystar one

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|Torg|:

maybe I for to tell you I live in the middle of religion bcast central

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jasonwc:

what's the maximum bitrate of an ATSC stream?

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SlicerDicer-:

anybody used a myth.rebuilddatabase.pl?

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Aurelius:

|Torg|: what direction from the KWTX tower do you live?

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Aurelius:

(approx)

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jasonwc:

the air2pc (3rd gen) hd5000 says it supports up to 19.2 mbit/sec

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|Torg|:

in directly north of it, by about 75 miles

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jasonwc:

but i thought that was the average for 1080i. 19.2 mbit/sec yields 8.44 GB/hr

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|Torg|:

more like almost directly north :)

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Aurelius:

ah, ok

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Aurelius:

more to the east or west?

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|Torg|:

5 degrees w of north, so its 175 degrees from me

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Aurelius:

ah, that explains that then

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Aurelius:

you're close to a peak of it's signal

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|Torg|:

actually im out of range from it :)

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Aurelius:

and you said you can't receive KDAF-DT?

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|Torg|:

like I said I get it only at night

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Aurelius:

hm

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|Torg|:

I can not recive KDAF

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|Torg|:

if I tune the tuner to the freq and let it sit for more then an hour I get nothing, not even static

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Aurelius:

interesting

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Aurelius:

and where are you in relation to KDAF?

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|Torg|:

go look at the fcc docs and the antenna radiation pattern, youll undestnad why I cant get KDAF

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|Torg|:

23 miles at 59 degres

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|Torg|:

so I am am roughly west south west of it

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Aurelius:

it's 59 from you?

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Aurelius:

ok

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|Torg|:

you want the recripcol of that :)

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|Torg|:

I am at 239 degress form it

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|Torg|:

KSTR on that same antenna come in very poorly and KDTN that is also on it comes in damn near perfect

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Aurelius:

well, based on the contour, you should be covered by KDAF

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|Torg|:

there is another one I was looking at that has it as a directional bradcast

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|Torg|:

let me see if I can find it

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Aurelius:

it's directional

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Aurelius:

but it's directly into dallas

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Aurelius:

you lose a LOT of signal from the contour through stuff like that

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|Torg|:

I live in keene see that map where it litsts cleburne that is about 5 miles from me

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Aurelius:

that's the 41dbu contour

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Aurelius:

so you should indeed be able to receive kdaf

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Aurelius:

maybe they aren't running at full fcc licensed power

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|Torg|:

should!=can

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Aurelius:

how long have you tried receiving them?

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|Torg|:

how long ago?

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Aurelius:

for how long

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shodan:

is it possible to use a DVB card (one that has a CI interface) and just put the CAM that BEV gave me in it and watch my paid subscription this way ? no asshle and legitimetly ?

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|Torg|:

like 60 secodns I belvei is default

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|Torg|:

im running another scan right now, but ive done this many times before

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Aurelius:

|Torg|: no, i mean in the grand scheme :) like.. the past week?

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Aurelius:

past 3 weeks?

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Aurelius:

2 months?

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|Torg|:

about 3 months ago

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Aurelius:

ok

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|Torg|:

I do it form time to time just to play, but mostly I leave it alone

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v jams

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|Torg|:

think of the cam as a slot for the crypto card that interfaces with the CI

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|Torg|:

and you cant get a BEV CAM

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shodan:

|Torg|, I still have 4x 3100 receivers from bell each still have their CAM in them

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J-e-f-f-A:

Aurelius: What kind of RF cable are you using between your pc and antenna? IE: RG-59, RG-6, RG-6QS (or don't know...)

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Spicerun:

It appears the latest nvidia driver has fixed some chronic lockup problems I was having.

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Aurelius:

hrm?

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|Torg|:

there are allot of things you see people talk about online that isnt waht they really are

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Aurelius:

i don't have an antenna heh

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Aurelius:

at least not for this

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Aurelius:

but for my amateur tv i use rg-6

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Aurelius:

(at least on receive)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Aurelius: So how are you tuning in the stations?

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Aurelius:

on transmit i use ldf5–50

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Aurelius:

err, ldf4–50

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Aurelius:

i don't have tv at home

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Aurelius:

where did i say i did? :)

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|Torg|:

ok Aurelius same as last time, I get KSTR and KDTN but not KDAF. All are on the same tower

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shodan:

|Torg|, ah ok, I thought the smartcard that came with the receiver was a CAM as in , the card you would put in a CI interface

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|Torg|:

the card yu put in the reciver is PART of a cam it is a crypto module that specialy decodes signal

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|Torg|:

I can tell you exactly how it works and why I belvie haking that card is not illegal under US DMCA laws

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|Torg|:

but talking about that subject is forbidden here

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Aurelius:

hrm, apparently, KDAF is indeed operating at 760kW, they installed a second tube to do so at the end of 2004

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J-e-f-f-A:

Aurelius: Sorry, I think I got you mixed up with |Torg| ... So is |Torg| using good cable and a decent antenna?

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|Torg|:

im serious Aurelius I really do not get KDAF, how did you get it to print the nice map?

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jd86:

amazing, I should have switched to XFS ages ago

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Aurelius:

i dunno what he uses for coax heh

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|Torg|:

yes J-e-f-f-A its a directiona yagi antenna, connected via rg-6 to a drop amp with 8db atenuation

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Aurelius:

"drop amp" – what is that?

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|Torg|:

a ampliforer "dropped" at a customer prmasis

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|Torg|:

I am ising a dignal amp, with 8db gain

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|Torg|:

any amp at the end point of reception is called a dropamp

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Aurelius:

oh

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|Torg|:

its about as decriptive as I have a TV

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J-e-f-f-A:

|Torg|: Humm... Just out of curiosity, have you tried without the amp, or is it indeed necessary?

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Aurelius:

what model antenna do you have?

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|Torg|:

yes I have tired it without the amp, its necessary to maintain lock on all but two stations

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|Torg|:

its a winegard shadowsomething

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|Torg|:

I thre away the box a long time ago :P

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J-e-f-f-A:

|Torg|: How high is your antenna? Any possibility of putting it up higher?

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|Torg|:

only if I want to put up guy wires, its at 35' now

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|Torg|:

its a winegaurd 7210

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Aurelius:

i have a theory

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J-e-f-f-A:

|Torg|: Yeah, that's pretty high up. Probably just too many trees and buildings in the way...

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Aurelius:

looking at the fact that all the antennas are about the same height

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|Torg|:

no trees and I have the only 2 story house

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Aurelius:

and the tower is 498.4 AGL

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|Torg|:

were it line of sight problems I shouldnt get the statison on teh same tower

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Aurelius:

i'm going to postulate that KDAF is on the opposite side of the tower from you

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SlicerDicer-:

|Torg|: get somekinda balloon and strap it to that and float it up 100ft with a blinkin light :)

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Aurelius:

which is going to provide some non-calculated attenuation

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|Torg|:

Aurelius you want me to get out my GPS to give you exact cordinates :P

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J-e-f-f-A:

|Torg|: So the antenna is line-of site? You can see it with a telescope or such?

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|Torg|:

dunno I havnt tryed a telescope im not that curious :)

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Aurelius:

|Torg|: one of our antennas is on the norhtern face of the southern tower

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Aurelius:

originally it was on the southern face

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Aurelius:

fcc contours are the same

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Aurelius:

but now, southern reception is in the mud

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Aurelius:

(disclaimer: i work for a tv station)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Aurelius, |Torg| : Yeah, that could explain it...

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Aurelius:

i'm going to bet that's it

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SlicerDicer-:

Aurelius: does mud not reflect signal ;-)

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Aurelius:

signals dropped by at least 20–25dB when we relocated

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SlicerDicer-:

Aurelius: that bites man

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Aurelius:

SlicerDicer-: depends on what kind of water it's saturated with ;)

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Aurelius:

and what kinda dirt it is ;)

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SlicerDicer-:

Aurelius: the only option I had where I lived in WA was either to make a 3000ft tower or use comcast for OTA ;-)

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Aurelius:

SlicerDicer-: on the plus side, on the northern direction, signals went up about 15dB

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Aurelius:

we were originally on the true souther side

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|Torg|:

water relelts sgijal fine, I know I can bounce radio off it :)

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Aurelius:

+n

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Aurelius:

salt water is better than fresh though :)

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Aurelius:

now we're more along the lines of N/NE

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SlicerDicer-:

Aurelius: well thats all good if you live near salt lake city and get a firetruck ;-)

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Aurelius:

:)

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AngryElf:

hey hey

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SlicerDicer-:

Aurelius: I would say if you were near the ocean that might help but its so polluted its not really salt water anymore

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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Aurelius:

but yeah, that's probably the explanation for your lack of reception, torg

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Aurelius:

relatively new tower

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SlicerDicer-:

Aurelius: so the antennas dont spam tv in all directions is what your saying?

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Aurelius:

SlicerDicer-: some do

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Aurelius:

some don't

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J-e-f-f-A:

SlicerDicer-: Not if they're not on the TOP of the tower...

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|Torg|:

btw comcast here does in fact encrypt the local bcast staions over cable, fcc rule or not

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SlicerDicer-:

|Torg|: report them

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Aurelius:

our analog transmitter is on the very top of the tower

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Aurelius:

contact the fcc

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SlicerDicer-:

|Torg|: problem solved

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Aurelius:

that's worse :P

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SlicerDicer-:

|Torg|: thats not cool...

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ShiftyPowers:

ARRRGH, I hate you TwinView!! :)

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ShiftyPowers:

so close yet so far

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|Torg|:

teh SD stations are still carried in analog

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|Torg|:

which btw they forgot to disconnect, I still wont use it tho

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SlicerDicer-:

seriously man

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SlicerDicer-:

you should file a complaint

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|Torg|:

I dont use cable any more, so the point is sorta mute

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SlicerDicer-:

not really man

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Aurelius:

i'm trying to find specs on the coax we use

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Aurelius:

heh

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SlicerDicer-:

Its your duty as a nerd++ to report them no matter if you use them otherwise you shall be smited and sripped of nerdhood!

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SlicerDicer-:

cause what comcast is doing aint right its in violation of the FCC blah blah

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|Torg|:

im not a nerd, im a geek :P

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SlicerDicer-:

regardless if you use them you should report them

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J-e-f-f-A:

Aurelius: Humm.. I don't know what you use for broadcasting... I just wired my house with 100' of RG6-QS... Maybe overkill, but very, very, little loss... ;-)

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Aurelius:

heh

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Aurelius:

rg6 has a lot of loss compared to what i'm looking for

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Aurelius:

hehe

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J-e-f-f-A:

Aurelius: er make that 1000' – not 100'... 6 runs basement to attic.. ;-)

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|Torg|:

I used RG-6 only becase I stil had a spool of it

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|Torg|:

I used cat5 for my phone line for the same reason

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J-e-f-f-A:

|Torg|: Look at it this way... Now you can hook up 4 analog phone lines... ;-)

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|Torg|:

now I sorta wish I would have drawn fiber, but oh well

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J-e-f-f-A:

|Torg|: Well, you can always use the Cat5 as a snake... ;-)

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williammanda:

anyone tried matching qam signals to the program guide?

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williammanda:

read the very first of this link....

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williammanda:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Adding_Q . . . _Tuner_Cards

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Aurelius:

ah

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williammanda:

i found out i wasn't the only one with this problem

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Aurelius:

founnd it

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williammanda:

i have analog cable... but I also get local digital channels too

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Aurelius:

HJ9HP-50

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williammanda:

the issue is the digital channels don't match zap2it

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Aurelius:

that's the coax we use ;)

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Aurelius:

it's $142.20/ft list price

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Aurelius:

hehehe

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williammanda:

so mythtv won't display them until both match

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Aurelius:

and we're 75meters above ground

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Aurelius:

$466.56/m list

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J-e-f-f-A:

Aurelius: I'll bet it's not terminated with F-connectors!

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Aurelius:

hehe

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Aurelius:

not hardly :)

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Aurelius:

at our frequency, 770MHz

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Aurelius:

loss per 100m: ~0.88dB

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Aurelius:

Minimum bending radius: 50"

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Aurelius:

the inner conductor is 2.07" thick

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Aurelius:

(hollow tube)

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|Torg|:

so Aurelius how did you get the fcc to map out the countour map?

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Aurelius:

i was searching the antenna database

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Aurelius:

well, it's the tv database really

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|Torg|:

I am too, I can get its license, tower, etc but not the map

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Aurelius:

there swhould be a link on that info page

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|Torg|:

oh and since you work at a tv company maybe you can answer a quesiton for me thats been bugging me for years :)

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Aurelius:

haha

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Aurelius:

maybe

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|Torg|:

all the statiosn west of the misssissippi are suposed to start with K, so why do I have WFAA here

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Aurelius:

there are some stations that were allocated before the W/K thing

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Aurelius:

they retained their old callsigns

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Aurelius:

that's the basics

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|Torg|:

so its just old?

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Aurelius:

there is also a K up in philadelphia iirc

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Aurelius:

well, the callsign is old

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Aurelius:

the ownership mahy have changed :)

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|Torg|:

I bleive WFAA was one of the first TV stations in the US

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Aurelius:

under the info page: "Service contour map (x dBu)"

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|Torg|:

thers something like that on their page

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|Torg|:

yup thats it, thanks :)

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Aurelius:

but remember, that doesn't take into acccount location on the tower

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Aurelius:

merely published antenna pattern

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J-e-f-f-A:

We've got "WBZ" up here in Boston... ;-)

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SlicerDicer-:

errr shit...

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Aurelius:

WKRP!

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Aurelius:

err

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|Torg|:

well then why could I get two stations on the same tower?

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: you here?

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Aurelius:

|Torg|: different heights

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Aurelius:

one looks like it's on the top

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|Torg|:

is that listed too?

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Aurelius:

<Aurelius> looking at the fact that all the antennas are about the same height

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Aurelius:

correction

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Aurelius:

2 are near the top

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Aurelius:

KSTR and KDAF are at 490.1m AGL

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Aurelius:

probably KSTR is on the near side of the tower

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Aurelius:

KDAF is on the far side

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|Torg|:

KDTN on the same tower is at 353 meters AGL

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wave:

Anyone use There Wii with mythtv?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wave: Not me, but in what way?

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Aurelius:

do you have kdtn rx?

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williammanda:

hello monkeybox

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monkeyBox:

hey

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wave:

Composite

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|Torg|:

at about 85% signal with 70% STN

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wave:

I got the screen to comeup and I got sound but something messes with the Wii remote making it laggy

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Spicerun:

Aurelius: You're in the Metroplex?

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|Torg|:

so yes I would say I can recive it :P

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|Torg|:

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J-e-f-f-A:

wave: Ok, well if you're trying to play your WII thru MythTV, it isn't going to work... Unlike a TV, everything on Myth is buffered — it's recorded, dumped to disk, then played back from disk. That makes it about 1–3 second lag...

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|Torg|:

its daystar tv, aks telvalgelist central, I dont watch it much

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SlicerDicer-:

anybody here running SVN right now?

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|Torg|:

yes

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wave:

Jeffa you just made a lightbuld somewhat flicker.

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J-e-f-f-A:

wave: So it's not your wireless controller — the video output is getting delayed in getting to your monitor screen.

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wave:

Is there a way to disable it for composite?

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|Torg|:

ii mythplugins trunk_0_20–12635 mythplugins

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|Torg|:

ii mythtv trunk_0_20–12635 mythtv

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J-e-f-f-A:

wave: In order to use it with your PC, you'd have to use a tv viewer app to display the 'live' signal from your card – externally from myth.

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Spicerun:

Do you guys get KDFI-HD?

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|Torg|:

I cant

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wave:

Hmm no disabling?

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|Torg|:

I should be able to, but I cant

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J-e-f-f-A:

wave: Nope. Just like a set-top PVR, everything is recorded to disk, then played back.

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wave:

Jeffa: know of a program I could use?

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|Torg|:

to watch recorded programs?

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wave:

no to play live tv no recording?

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|Torg|:

mythtv will record it if you watch it

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williammanda:

monkeybox....did you get anywhere with the pchdtv 5500?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wave: mplayer would work... you'd just have to tell it to use your video recorder as it's input... something like "mplayer </dev/video0" — I don't know if that's correct though — haven't done it in a while...

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wave:

correct. I was wondering what programs there are out there for linux that will just display tv without recording.

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Spicerun:

We're getting KDFI-HD, but our TV is fooled as for some reason they aren't transmitting their 27.1 channel number....our tv shows it as 36.1 since Ch.36 is what KDFI's digital signal is on.

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|Torg|:

in DFW they do that with ALLOT of the stations

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|Torg|:

look at WFAA its at 9 but recieved at 8

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|Torg|:

the digital is often offset

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|Torg|:

Spicerun where do you live?

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wave:

Jeffa: Your a genuis this has been buggy me for weeks. Simple recording and 1 to 2 second lag. Pure Genuis.

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J-e-f-f-A:

In boston, none of the HD channels equal their analog equivalent — for instance, Fox 25 is digital 31.1

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wave:

It all makes since.

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Spicerun:

|Torg|: Grapevine.

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SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: you here?

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|Torg|:

im in Keene, south of Burleson

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J-e-f-f-A:

wave: Nah, I just undestand what's going on with Myth and PVRs in general... ;-)

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Spicerun:

|Torg|: Channel 8's analog signal is on Ch. 8, but their Digital on on Ch. 9. The reason the Digital TV shows 8.1 for them is because that is what they broadcast to the TV to use for its channel selector.

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|Torg|:

I also note that the statiosn here bcast in lower power for digital then analog, I dont know if thats a nesseity or if there just being cheap

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Spicerun:

|Torg|: Well, so far, we've gotten very good reception on all of the channels...We're lucky I guess. Our analog reception is lousy out here.

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|Torg|:

you get bad analog because of DFW airport

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wave:

Jeffa: Oh so your calling me a Dumba... ;-)

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|Torg|:

I used to live in Euless

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J-e-f-f-A:

wave: No, not at all!

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|Torg|:

that and there are about 5 water towers that are within 5 miles of you

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Spicerun:

|Torg|: True, and that's where the digital error correction has sure cleaned up our picture.

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|Torg|:

dignital TV is not renderd, its intrepted so there is no "noise" in the pciture, the signal has plenty you just dont see it

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wave:

Jeffa: Yea. I know. Jk. Thanks alot I will have to try that Mplayer thing out.

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Spicerun:

|Torg|: True enough.

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Aurelius:

no, i'm in california

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Spicerun:

Aurelius: Ah.

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SlicerDicer-:

ok I will just ask I upgraded to SVN and my database update horked :/

[02:13:13]

Aurelius:

sorry, was making dinner

[02:13:16]

SlicerDicer-:

I have a backup database but it keeps horking?

[02:13:17]

Aurelius:

still waiting for it to finish

[02:13:24]

|Torg|:

SlicerDicer- do you STILL not back up your database?

[02:13:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

wave: Just check out the mplayer man page to get the right commands.... "man mplayer"

[02:13:33]

SlicerDicer-:

|Torg|: wtf?

[02:13:51]

wave:

Maybe I will look into making a custom command and menu item to the main screen of mythtv to start myplayer for me.

[02:13:55]

|Torg|:

didnt we go over this last week about how you shold back up your database on a regualr interval?

[02:14:05]

SlicerDicer-:

DUH!?!?!?!?

[02:14:11]

SlicerDicer-:

[19:13] <SlicerDicer-> I have a backup database but it keeps horking?

[02:14:19]

SlicerDicer-:

hello?

[02:14:30]

|Torg|:

ok wht happens when you try to restore?

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SlicerDicer-:

same thing man saying it cant drop sourceid check that column/key exists

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hads:

Making fun of people isn't the best tatic for getting help.

[02:15:23]

|Torg|:

are you thrying to put it into an existing database?

[02:15:39]

SlicerDicer-:

hads: yeah well I told him the other day plainly when we were talking about it I run a cron daily yet he comes back and fires that at me? we had a discussion about it

[02:15:54]

Aurelius:

omg.

[02:15:55]

Aurelius:

DUH

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|Torg|:

mythconverg tables are keyed for the most part (at lest the ones I commonly look at are), you cant have duplicatres

[02:16:42]

SlicerDicer-:

|Torg|: have you not ever done a mythtv upgrade? When you upgrade mythtv it automagicly updates the database

[02:16:49]

SlicerDicer-:

that is what I am doing

[02:16:50]

|Torg|:

so if your trying to restore the datbase it will die if it finds data that is already there

[02:17:00]

brandon3:

hey, i have an nvidia graphics card using tv out, what do i need to set the refresh rate to for my tv so i dont ruin it?

[02:17:07]

|Torg|:

I upgrade my databse on a damn near every svn comoile

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SlicerDicer-:

errm I drop mythconverg before I restore

[02:17:18]

|Torg|:

I haii mythplugins trunk_0_20–12635 mythplugins

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|Torg|:

I even backrev my databse dumps

[02:17:28]

|Torg|:

damnit, sorry cut and pste dont like me

[02:17:52]

|Torg|:

ok what do you do to restore your db?

[02:18:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

brandon3: Your TV will only display 60hz (ntsc) – and the 'tv out' chip is probably already taking care of that for you — especially if you already see a picture on it...

[02:18:21]

|Torg|:

and if I killed all your recodrings how mad would you be?

[02:18:24]

Spicerun:

BTW, is there any advantage to getting the latest versions of mythtv from svn over version-0.20a?

[02:18:28]

shodan:

what version of mysql works with xbmc mythtv-0.20.31 ?

[02:18:37]

|Torg|:

mysql 4 or 5

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brandon3:

J-e-f-f-A ok, but just for reference its 60hz then?

[02:19:17]

hads:

Depends what country you are in

[02:19:21]

SlicerDicer-:

|Torg|: I already said that I drop mythconverg before I restore it do you read?

[02:19:22]

|Torg|:

there is no 0.20a afaik its all either .20-fixes or svn which still shows up as 0.20

[02:19:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

brandon3: Yes – Assuming your in the US... Other countries use PAL, wich is 50hz.

[02:19:42]

** brandon3 nods, US :) **

[02:19:44]

brandon3:

thanks

[02:20:08]

brandon3:

what does a monitor typically use?

[02:20:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

np!

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|Torg|:

well SlicerDicer- if you be a little nicer I can have you pastebin your file and ill show you what to restore and what to omit, then you can do a mythfilldatabase but you would loose any reocrdings or schedules

[02:20:27]

|Torg|:

you would then go back and redefine al the schedules, or I can leave those in

[02:20:47]

|Torg|:

the same is true aboiut the recordings but schedules and recordings are often the problem with the databse

[02:20:51]

SlicerDicer-:

|Torg|: I already know how to nuke a database and take everything I need out and redo it :)

[02:20:58]

|Torg|:

its quite easy if you know SQL and what parts do what

[02:21:09]

|Torg|:

ok import your settings table only

[02:21:15]

shodan:

k I'm running mythtv-0.20_p12172 (according to gentoo) mysql 5.0.24 , just tried xbmcmythtv-0.20.31, getting an error, must be my settings then

[02:21:19]

SlicerDicer-:

I am just wondering why my database that should be just fine threw no errors at all with .20 is horking out with SVN

[02:21:22]

SlicerDicer-:

thats my question

[02:21:23]

|Torg|:

start mythtv-setup and ensure they are all correct

[02:21:32]

|Torg|:

then start the FE and rescchedule everything, it should all work

[02:21:49]

|Torg|:

you can even put the old recordings in the video directory and watch then there

[02:22:03]

|Torg|:

did you go to SVN then back to .20?

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SlicerDicer-:

no

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SlicerDicer-:

That would cause carnage :)

[02:22:34]

|Torg|:

well it wouldnt be pretty thats for sure :)

[02:23:19]

|Torg|:

edit out the settings table, if you want to go further just the BE setings (if you have seperate BEs/FEs)

[02:23:33]

|Torg|:

the rest is schedules and listings

[02:23:42]

brandon3:

J-e-f-f-A.. what is NTSC-M?

[02:23:54]

|Torg|:

mythfilldatabase will give you back the listings, and as soon as you recreate teh scheules you will have nearly everythiung back

[02:24:20]

|Torg|:

Never The Same Color

[02:25:09]

_mike3:

hey guys anyone of you using Gentoo here?

[02:25:16]

Aurelius:

hi. yes.

[02:25:19]

Spicerun:

Yes

[02:25:19]

SlicerDicer-:

_mike3: yeah whats up?

[02:25:28]

_mike3:

and how are the Hauppauge 150 w/ MCE remotes? Compatible?

[02:25:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

brandon3: I forget – I'd have to do a google search to tell you...

[02:25:39]

Aurelius:

don't listen to slicerdicer, he b0rked his db

[02:25:46]

SlicerDicer-:

lol Aurelius

[02:25:59]

SlicerDicer-:

_mike3: of course

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SlicerDicer-:

use the ivtv driver :)

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|Torg|:

Aurelius Ive scred up mine beofer too, usualy by backrevving svn code

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SlicerDicer-:

useflag ivtv for mythtv and it should compile just fine

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_mike3:

I know there was some tricks back in the day with the ivtv driver and issues. How is it now?

[02:26:25]

|Torg|:

of couse im anal about it and have hourly backups too

[02:26:36]

SlicerDicer-:

_mike3: I have no idea about the 150 but the 350 works just fine

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brandon3:

J-e-f-f-A, appears to be the standard :P

[02:26:48]

J-e-f-f-A:

brandon3: That's the 'offical' spec name of NTSC — "NTSC-M"...

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Aurelius:

heh, i don't touch that stuff freqently enough

[02:27:01]

Aurelius:

we only do backups once a week heh

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brandon3:

NTSC color encoding is invariably used with broadcast system M, giving NTSC-M

[02:27:07]

_mike3:

Is there anything you need to add to the kernel?

[02:27:11]

_mike3:

support

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SlicerDicer-:

_mike3: well if you go to compile the ivtv drive

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SlicerDicer-:

err driver and you are lacking things in the kernel

[02:27:34]

SlicerDicer-:

it will tell you what you are missing

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Aurelius:

(for our mythtv box, that is)

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Aurelius:

everything else is daily

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SlicerDicer-:

and fail to compile _mike3

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SlicerDicer-:

if you go to gentoo-wiki there is a list of things to compile in the kernel for ivtv driver though

[02:28:18]

|Torg|:

yes brandon3 and its referred to as Never The Same Color

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brandon3:

:P

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|Torg|:

I belive Japan used NTSC-J btw

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_mike3:

SlicerDicer-: Yah I'm just tryhing to find a good guide. Over at ivtv they supposly have a guide to setting up ivtv under Gentoo. The site is just not responding for me right now.

[02:29:09]

Aurelius:

Never Twice the Same Color also

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hey, what do you expect from a standard that was introduces in 1941? ;-)

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Aurelius:

if it had been done peroperly, PAL

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|Torg|:

There is Never The Same Color, Someting Essentialy Contrary to the American Metod, and Picure Alwaus Lousy

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|Torg|:

pick one :)

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SlicerDicer-:

Aurelius: pal drives me batty

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J-e-f-f-A:

I prefer XGA ... ;-)

[02:30:58]

SlicerDicer-:

makes me want to vomit when I walk into a store with pal tvs...

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hads:

Perfect At Last

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|Torg|:

I prefer ATSC

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|Torg|:

PayALot

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SlicerDicer-:

the flashing distorts me and makes me feel like I am going to slam into the floor

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_mike3:

ah, hopefully my card comes in soon.. It needs to hurry the hell up!

[02:31:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

SlicerDicer-: Ah, so you must 'Love' DLP projectors as much as me.... NOT!

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|Torg|:

lets not get confused here :)

[02:32:29]

|Torg|:

I love DLP, hate that stupid bulb, but love the TV

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J-e-f-f-A:

|

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SlicerDicer-:

J-e-f-f-A: PAL on 50hz tvs is what did it for me

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hads:

mmm gotta love those rainbows

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_mike3:

SlicerDicer-: what are you using to output the video to your tv?

[02:33:36]

_mike3:

The output of the 350 or your vid card?

[02:33:58]

SlicerDicer-:

_mike3: I use a 6600GT

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SlicerDicer-:

I dont use the 350 output anymore

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J-e-f-f-A:

SlicerDicer-: Have you ever noticed the 'rainbow effect' when looking at a DLP projector or set?

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_mike3:

Oh ok.. What is required to getting the output to work on the TV properly? Resolution and such?

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|Torg|:

oh I now it J-e-f-f-A but I love the pitcire, at least as compares to my old projection TV

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SlicerDicer-:

no I dont own one J-e-f-f-A

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Spicerun:

SlicerDicer-: What's the 350 output?

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|Torg|:

im pretty sure it cases seizures too, but I dont care

[02:35:09]

SlicerDicer-:

Spicerun: mpeg2 decoder output on a pvr350

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hads:

Rainbow effect is annoying, I don't like DLP

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J-e-f-f-A:

|Torg|: I can't stand it very much... It bothers me and distracts from the movie, etc...

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Spicerun:

SlicerDicer-: ok, thanks.

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|Torg|:

I dont even notice it

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|Torg|:

what do you output to?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Many people can't see it... I think maybe we (the people who can) have extra-sensitive eyes or something — like somebody with better hearing, for instance...

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_mike3:

SlicerDicer-: Is there anything special to output. That would probably be dependent on my vid card eh? I'd have to read on that. I grabbed and old nvidia with tv out.

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Spicerun:

I use a SatTec HD3000 card in, Verto GE6600 HDMI out.

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_mike3:

Suppose to be comptaible.

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Aurelius:

what, DLP rainbowing?

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SlicerDicer-:

_mike3: what nvidia?

[02:36:55]

_mike3:

mx400

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_mike3:

32MB.

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SlicerDicer-:

sdtv?

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_mike3:

don't know what that is

[02:37:13]

_mike3:

?

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SlicerDicer-:

standard def tv

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_mike3:

yah i think

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brandon3:

whats the shortcut to change your screen resolution?

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brandon3:

keyboard

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SlicerDicer-:

well you should be able to do the nvidia drivers maybe use XvMC I dont know on the mx400

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brandon3:

or is there a terminal way to do it?

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SlicerDicer-:

I can do XvMC with my mx440

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SlicerDicer-:

anyway _mike3 should not be a problem

[02:38:32]

SlicerDicer-:

just check out some of the information on setting it up for tvout with a nvidia card there is stuff all over the mythtv and gentoo wiki about it :)

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_mike3:

SlicerDicer-: that's what i'm thinking too. I picked up all the RCA cables I need. Have an older tv without svid inputs and such.

[02:39:21]

squish102:

are there any tricks to speeding up mysql. when i click listings on mythweb, it takes about 20–30 seconds to come up?

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squish102:

actually, if i click anything, it takes a long time

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|Torg|:

haha

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|Torg|:

thats inst mysql, its apache and php :P

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squish102:

really?

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_mike3:

ah, I'm going to watch the rest of superman. I'll talk to you guys later. SlicerDicer- thanks for the info. I'll come bug you some more when I get the stuff in if I need it.

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squish102:

even when i change date, it is another 20 seconds

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_mike3:

thanks

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J-e-f-f-A:

brandon3: Control – Alt – Numpad+ or Control – Alt – Numpad-

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SlicerDicer-:

_mike3: no problem

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|Torg|:

its mostly phps DBI kitchen sink method

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|Torg|:

but log into your mysql irect and run a quiery it should tell you how long it took

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J-e-f-f-A:

squish102: If you've got alot of channels and/or recordings, it can take that long. I've got Dish Network, with approx 200 channels in my lineup — takes quite a while. (Current backend is a Dual PIII 866 w/512mb ram)

[02:42:51]

Paladine:

any reason why mythcommflag is running in the background even though I have nothing recording and I am not watching anything?

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|Torg|:

thats my TV lstings, .09 second sound slow to you?

[02:43:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: Hey, how's it going? ;-)

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Paladine:

hey jeffa

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Paladine:

doing good here

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squish102:

J-e-f-f-A, well i have about 130 channels, with about 30 things set up to record

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Paladine:

jeffa how much will the shipping be on that board?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: Ever setup your ir blaster? (That was you, right?)

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squish102:

|Torg| what was the sql u ran?

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Paladine:

jeffa, I bought a USB>RF2 controller

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|Torg|:

select * from program;

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Paladine:

works a treat

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: Gee, I dunno... It's not available yet – I'm typing on it now! (Still building my backend up...)

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|Torg|:

without doing a join its about the most intensive thing mysql does with mythtv

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Paladine:

I built a blaster but it was ghetto looking and the RF2 is much more reliable than IR

[02:44:59]

Paladine:

jeffa drop me an email to paladine@naked-geek.net when you have finished with it and let me know how much for the shipping

[02:45:02]

Paladine:

I def want it :)

[02:45:52]

Paladine:

mythcommflag is confusing me

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Paladine:

Idon't understand why it is running

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Aurelius:

heh

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Aurelius:

that's intensive? :)

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Paladine:

no

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|Torg|:

select * from episode e, record r where e.title=r.title;

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: How's this for an upgrade.... Dual PIII 866Mhz/512MB ram/18.2GB 10K SCSI OS disk/4x200GB LVM (Myth) to.... Athlon64 X2 4600+/2GB ram/250G SATA II OS disk/ 3x 500GB SATAII LVM (Myth) !!! ;-)

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Paladine:

nice jeffa

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SlicerDicer-:

J-e-f-f-A: no raid?

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Paladine:

I am on x2 440 toledo here

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|Torg|:

I can do a table scn to amke it go slower if you like, but its its below the .009 threshold it still wont show

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Paladine:

4400

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Paladine:

2GB RAM and 2x250GB SATA with lvm

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defaultro:

Paladine, what is X2?

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Paladine:

dual core

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J-e-f-f-A:

SlicerDicer-: Nah, It wouldn't be the end of the world if I lost my tv recordings... I already did that once about 6 months ago when I accidentially did an "rm *" in the wrong directory on my myth box... ;-)

[02:47:38]

defaultro:

ah

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squish102:

|Torg|, im still waiting for the first query to finish ;)

[02:47:48]

defaultro:

is it well supported in linux?

[02:47:50]

Paladine:

and the toleda is 2x1MB l2 cache

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Paladine:

toledo

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Paladine:

yes it is fine in linux

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|Torg|:

squish102 what are you running mysql on?

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squish102:

it is a p4 2.4 with 768 meg of memory

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Paladine:

anyone know if I can add any comand line args to mythfilldatabase to stop it eating 100% of my CPU

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squish102:

thinking i may have a problem

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defaultro:

how much is X2?

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defaultro:

and what do you think about the performance?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: So you're running a 4400x2 and you're still interested in my old Dual PIII 866 Motherboard?

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|Torg|:

thats from it doing a table scan along with the query

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Paladine:

jeffa, you board will go in a machine which I will donate to a non profit org for kids

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|Torg|:

where title like "%t%"

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: Ok, yeah, that's a good cause. ;-)

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defaultro:

now, what is 4400x2?

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: dont get a X2 get a opteron :)

[02:50:13]

defaultro:

why?

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Paladine:

jeffa, I try and donate as many machines as I can afford to build on the cheap each year

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: I would assume you running 939

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defaultro:

i will build a new box

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SlicerDicer-:

model name : Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 175 :)

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Paladine:

slicer, I am on 939 and my x2 is better than the opti

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SlicerDicer-:

thats what I run hehe

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SlicerDicer-:

Paladine: I doubt it honestly

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defaultro:

ah, so it's AMD too

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Paladine:

Slicer, the opteron is only 2x512 l2 cache

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SlicerDicer-:

LOL!!

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SlicerDicer-:

hardly Paladine

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defaultro:

Paladine, how much is X2?

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Paladine:

slicer, I have not seen one that isn't

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defaultro:

why opteron and why x2?

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SlicerDicer-:

Paladine: go look at the 175?

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Paladine:

I looked at 175s already

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SlicerDicer-:

or any of the denmarks that have been out for quite a long time now

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defaultro:

wait folks, why do you need this kind of setup?

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Paladine:

plus they are much more expensive and use more watts iirc

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defaultro:

what are you trying to do?

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SlicerDicer-:

Paladine: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103584

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SlicerDicer-:

what are you on man?

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snerfu:

i have good luck with the san diego core.

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SlicerDicer-:

are you smokin something cause I want some of whataever that is

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|Torg|:

128+128 L1 cache, 512+512 L2

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kambei:

Anybody have Comcast + HD?

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Paladine:

Slicer, how many watts is that?

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Paladine:

and that is more expensive than the x2

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defaultro:

answer me folks, why did you upgrade to this model?

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|Torg|:

had kambei I got rid of it

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SlicerDicer-:

Paladine: its a san deigo

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SlicerDicer-:

same exact thing Paladine

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kambei:

|Torg|: Were we talking about this the other day?

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|Torg|:

proabbly

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SlicerDicer-:

Paladine: just underclocked so I have mine punched in OC hitting marks higher than the FX62 on air stock

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Paladine:

I had a san diego 3700 before I upgraded to this toledo

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kambei:

|Torg|: Why did you get rid of it, again?

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J-e-f-f-A:

defaultro: They're both dual core cpus — that means two processors – two programs can really run at once.

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defaultro:

i know

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|Torg|:

cost, service, and cost

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SlicerDicer-:

Paladine: seriously man the Opterons slaughter all

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Paladine:

slicer, I can get the same performance out of the toledo for half the money

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doc|home:

anyone have an issue where the media library doesn't contain programmes which have been recorded, but the manage recordings -> previous recordings section does?

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defaultro:

but what was the main reason you upgraded?

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squish102:

|Torg| first query seems to run fast

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SlicerDicer-:

Paladine: I doubt it

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kambei:

|Torg|: Did you use it with MYTH? And what do you mean by service?

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|Torg|:

oh that and I wanted to use PVR with it that disnt have there god damn commericals all over it

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SlicerDicer-:

Paladine: stock heatsink/fan overclocking 29% yeah good luck with that

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Paladine:

slicer, I suggest you go look at the oc potential of the toledo cores

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squish102:

how come i got 50k rows and you only have 14k?

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SlicerDicer-:

Paladine: might I note I dont hit over 40c at load too

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Aurelius:

i suggest you not OC your shit.

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|Torg|:

no I dint use it with myth and it was them robbing bits from my local bcast HD TV service and them encryting for what the FCC mandated they shoudl not

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SlicerDicer-:

Aurelius: mines a underclocked cpu so I have no bother overclocking it :)

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shodan:

hmm , I'm trying to setup xbmc mythtv , I'm pretty sure my settings for the mythbackend/mysql server and smb server are correct but when I run "Test Settings I get

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Paladine:

slicer, I average at 33C on my toledo with the HS/FAN from the 3700 San Diego

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shodan:

Failed to connect to MySQL database.

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shodan:

'Database' object has no attribute 'conn'

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Paladine:

standard amd hs/fan

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SlicerDicer-:

Paladine: stock?

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Paladine:

yes

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SlicerDicer-:

Paladine: stock without OC I run load at 27c

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kambei:

|Torg|: So, do you know if you can pull the video signal from the firewire port on their HD boxes, or not?

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SlicerDicer-:

Paladine: they are ice cold by comparison

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shodan:

and if I click that again I only get

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Paladine:

slicer, yes but I am running hs/fan from a much lower chip

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shodan:

Failed to connect to MySQL database.

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shodan:

conn

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Paladine:

if I had an X2 stock hs/fan it would be colder still

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snerfu:

shodan, is mysqld running in the process list?

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SlicerDicer-:

Paladine: stop arguing man go look at the facts the opteron beats the toledo hands down... I am not saying your cpu is crap I am just saying the opteron rocks

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|Torg|:

if it has firewire kambei probbly

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shodan:

snerfu, yes , I have a mythfrontend that connects remotely to the mysql server just fine

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Paladine:

I disagree 100% so we will have to leave it at that

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J-e-f-f-A:

kambei: Yes, but it may be encrypted, depending on the provider...

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kambei:

|Torg|: Well, I can't really get a straight answer from Comcast since they "don't support it"

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shodan:

eh , but there's no way opteron beat the X2 in price/cpu power ratio ;)

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kambei:

J-e-f-f-A: Comcast is the provider.

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Aurelius:

WNBC

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SlicerDicer-:

Paladine:

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SlicerDicer-:

Both S939 Opteron dualcore and X2 have double-pumped HTT(2x1000Mhz).

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SlicerDicer-:

Afterall, they have the exact identical core.

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kambei:

J-e-f-f-A: I just wanted to find out if it's possible to use Myth+Comcast HD.

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Paladine:

they are not the same core at all

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SlicerDicer-:

sure they are

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Paladine:

you have san diego core

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Paladine:

I have toledo core

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Paladine:

they are different cores

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shodan:

"if you are using mysql 5.0, you need to make sure your password uses the old hash algorithm" ah, might be this

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Paladine:

I have a san diego chip right in front of me on my desk

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Aurelius:

complain to the FCC that comcast sucks.

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Paladine:

wtf is mythcommflag running

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Paladine:

it is using between 0.5% and 10% of my cpu in bursts

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defend is now known as Defend

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Aurelius:

see if you have a job running in the queue

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J-e-f-f-A:

kambei: You mileage might vary... I've heard that the local channels and non-premium channels are not normally encrypted, but in other areas they are all encrypted via firewire... You'll have to find somebody local, or just try it...

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Paladine:

I have nothing recording and I am not watching anything

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Aurelius:

Paladine: go check it anyway

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Aurelius:

..

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Paladine:

it has been running for the last few hours

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SlicerDicer-:

wow

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SlicerDicer-:

thats odd

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defaultro:

Paladine, what was the main reason for your upgrade?

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Paladine:

Aurelius, I just checked

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defaultro:

were you having playback issues b4?

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Aurelius:

nada?

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Paladine:

which is why I said I have nothing recording and nothing playing

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Fooker:

Is it possible to change the name of a recording within mythfrontend, or does that have to be done directly in the database with mysql?

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SlicerDicer-:

so here is a question for you fellas... I upgraded to svn... I now get a error about "cant drop 'sourceid'; check that column/key exists... now the thing is that column does exist?

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SlicerDicer-:

any ideas?

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Paladine:

what does the little gear icon mean in "Select a recording to watch" screen?

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doc|home:

anyone got a better lirc config for this remote http://www.hauppauge.com/images/pvr350_board-b.jpg than the one on the lirc website? it only seems to change the channels and nto much else

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Paladine:

is that mythcommflag?

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doc|home:

*not

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Fooker:

doc|home: I'd suggest just using the lirc utitilities and creating your own config file

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Fooker:

doc|home: Thats the only way I've got any of my remotes working

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doc|home:

Fooker: how come they don't copy well?

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Paladine:

later folks I was in the middle of something

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Paladine:

oh before I go

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Paladine:

can I make myth play 3 recordings in a row?

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Paladine:

cos the app I am in at the moment steal mouse focus

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monkeyBox:

How do I find the XMLTV ID for a specific channel? I'm using Zap2It

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Paladine:

so I have to quit it to do anything in mythfrontend

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Paladine:

and I have 3 shows recorded I would like to watch one after another

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Fooker:

doc|home: Its not that they don't copy well, its that there are so many variations on the hardware and the setup of those remotes

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: I think you can bring up the menu when you're on a recording name, and add it to the playlist – then do the same for the other two and play that playlist.

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Fooker:

Paladine: Use the playlist feature.

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Paladine:

k sweet

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doc|home:

Fooker: ah, ok, any howto on hwo to set it up for mythtv?

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J-e-f-f-A:

doc|home: Do the proper keys show when you run "irw" and press buttons on the remote?

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doc|home:

J-e-f-f-A: yep

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SlicerDicer-:

J-e-f-f-A: you know by chance what would cause myth to say a 'column' did not exist when it does when upgrading to svn?

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J-e-f-f-A:

doc|home: Then you just need to edit your .lircrc with the right key names to map them to myth.

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shodan:

YAY :) I got past the initial error with xbmcmythtv

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doc|home:

J-e-f-f-A: ok, thanks

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shodan:

turns out I needed to reset an old style password because I was using mysql 5*

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J-e-f-f-A:

SlicerDicer-: Just from what I know about SQL — it would seem that the script is trying to delete a column that doesn't exist, and rather than go on with life,it's blowing up.

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Aurelius:

OMG, COLUMN NO ESTA AQUI!

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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J-e-f-f-A:

SlicerDicer-: Being the 'somewhat-of-a-hacker' that I am, I'd probably just add a 'dummy' column with that name to the column, then run the script and let it delete it and hope it goes on with life. It's probably trying to expand the column with a bigger value...

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SlicerDicer-:

errrm J-e-f-f-A the crackhead part about it...

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SlicerDicer-:

that column is there...

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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Aurelius:

see if it's a key

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Aurelius:

it may be dropping a key

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Aurelius:

based on the fact that it's "drop"

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SlicerDicer-:

key?

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Aurelius:

yeah

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Aurelius:

show create table <whatever>

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J-e-f-f-A:

doc|home: Print out your /etc/lircd.conf file, and make sure the key names map properly in your .lircrc file — they are probably different, as many remotes are not 'labelled' with the same key names...

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doc|home:

J-e-f-f-A: cool, thanks

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doc|home:

no printer but a spreadsheet will do :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

doc|home: For instance, my MS MCE remote has the number keys as "One" "Two" etc... and my .lircrc was "1" "2"... had to make them match to work...

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doc|home:

ah, right.

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doc|home:

non-standardisation--

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J-e-f-f-A:

doc|home: I don't remember if you just have to bounce mythfrontend after changing, or if you also have to bounce lirc — it's been a while..

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doc|home:

J-e-f-f-A: ok, will bounce both, thanks

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Fooker:

Anyone know how to rename a recording?

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SlicerDicer-:

Aurelius: I am a sql dumbshit so I am not getting this at all hehe

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Aurelius:

"Thou shalt be called thusly"

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J-e-f-f-A:

Fooker: I think the easiest/safest way is to use (iirc) 'mythrename.pl' ...

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Aurelius:

what table is it in, slicer?

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SlicerDicer-:

channel

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SlicerDicer-:

Query was: ALTER TABLE channel DROP INDEX sourceid;

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Aurelius:

show create table channel;

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Aurelius:

ahh

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Aurelius:

see

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Aurelius:

:)

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Aurelius:

it's trying to drop an index

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GreyFoxx:

Fooker: Looking to rename the file or the title/subtitle in the interface ?

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Aurelius:

alter table channel add index sourceid;

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Aurelius:

try that, then run again

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Fooker:

GreyFoxx: Title/subtitle in the interface

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shodan:

ok I got everything working in xbmcmythtv -except- livetv , when I go in livetv I have to wait a long while to download the very long list of stations , then I can see the list, I click one station , wait a while, and I get an error "Index out of range" anyone has that ? I just asked a friend who has a similar setup, he says he has the same problem

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Fooker:

GreyFoxx: Two programs with the same name, but their different, and I need a way to distinguish :)

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SlicerDicer-:

Aurelius: ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '' at line 1

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GreyFoxx:

Fooker: Watch Recordings screen, hit I, Recording Options, then Change Recording title

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Aurelius:

hm, i forget the alter table syntax heh

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Aurelius:

been too long since i needed it

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Fooker:

GreyFoxx: I'm an idiot. I tried going into the recording details change it, but never saw that one

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SlicerDicer-:

Aurelius: when i do tab completion it says alter tableid

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Aurelius:

<Aurelius> looking at the fact that all the antennas are about the same height

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Aurelius:

oops

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: I learn something new every day... Didn't realize that. Thanks!

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SlicerDicer-:

is that it?

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GreyFoxx:

Fooker: There are too many options to know them all hehe

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Aurelius:

alter table `channel` create index `sourceid`; maybe

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GreyFoxx:

J-e-f-f-A: heh

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SlicerDicer-:

Aurelius: nah

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Aurelius:

hum

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Fooker:

I absolutely hate this channel... they continually split 2 hour shows into two 1 hour segments on different days, or a 1 hour show into 2 30 min segments, but they never alter the name in the listings to reflect this

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Captain_Murdoch:

alter table channel add index (sourceid);

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Aurelius:

ah

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Aurelius:

been too long as i said :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Fooker: So in order to record both you've got to turn off the duplicate checking, right? Been there, done that!

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SlicerDicer-:

werked Aurelius with (sourceid)

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Aurelius:

thank capt murdoch :)

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SlicerDicer-:

and away it goes Aurelius

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SlicerDicer-:

thanks muchly

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Fooker:

J-e-f-f-A: No, for some reason it records both parts no problems, even works around conflicts, but my user job names files according to their subtitle, so the one would overwrite the other when I transcoded it

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J-e-f-f-A:

Fooker: Yuck. Maybe you should alter your user job to check if the file exists, and if it does, append a number to it or something...

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kslater:

wierd thing happening lately – Mytharchived dvds are having sync issues towards the end of a recording when commercials are being cut out.

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k-man:

is there a way to get themes to display the current time?

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kslater:

this has been working just fine

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Fooker:

J-e-f-f-A: Its only one show every two or three weeks, not worth the effort

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k-man:

i often want to know the time and i wish it would be displayed on most screens

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Aurelius:

k-man: use xosd ;)

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k-man:

oh.... interesting idea

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J-e-f-f-A:

Fooker: Yeah, I suppose, especially if the original file is still there...

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k-man:

i'd rather it was part of mythtv though Aurelius

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Aurelius:

for(;;)

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Aurelius:

{

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Aurelius:

t = time(NULL);

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Aurelius:

tmp = localtime(&t);

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Aurelius:

strftime(outstr, sizeof(outstr), "%F %T", tmp);

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Aurelius:

xosd_display (osd, 0, XOSD_string, outstr);

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Aurelius:

usleep(25000);

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Aurelius:

}

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Aurelius:

heh

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defaultro:

Aurelius!

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Fooker:

J-e-f-f-A: Yeah, not to mention I run the userjob manually, so I can just rename it before running it

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jd86:

bttv0: OCERR @ 37aa8014,bits: HSYNC OFLOW OCERR* anyone know what this means?

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Aurelius:

defaultro!

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J-e-f-f-A:

k-man: Couldn't you set a remote button to cause xosd?

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J-e-f-f-A:

s/cause/call/

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defaultro:

you're affecting my network

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Aurelius:

use mythtvosd

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defaultro:

please don't do it again

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Aurelius:

hah

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defaultro:

i'm on dial up

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k-man:

J-e-f-f-A, yeah, except that would consume another key on my remote

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Aurelius:

hahahhaa

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J-e-f-f-A:

Dialup? What the *** is that? ;-) (FiOS is the bomb!)

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defaultro:

it might disconnect the 23gig file that I started to download August 17, 2006

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defaultro:

i'm on 67%

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Aurelius:

that amount of data is about the same as compared to if I sent a really long line like this. what is the difference? None, really. they are both large amounts of data, just one happens to be many individual lines, and the other happens to be one really long line. Again, I ask, what is the difference? Oh well.

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Varanger:

hello°

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Aurelius:

heh

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defaultro:

oh freak, the download stalled

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Aurelius:

freak out! le freak. c'est chic.

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Aurelius:

haha

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J-e-f-f-A:

defaultro: hehe... that would take me 4.5 hours to download... ;-)

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Varanger:

Where can I download some free HD content ?? (besides Elephant's Dream and mariposaHD)

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J-e-f-f-A:

defaultro: Wow, comcast offers dialup now, eh?

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defaultro:

i was just kidding :) hehehe

[03:30:06]

Fooker:

Anyone got the backend working on a mac?

[03:30:08]

SlicerDicer-:

xris: firewire is still fubar in SVN

[03:30:09]

Aurelius:

the whole JOIN/NAMES :)

[03:30:20]

Fooker:

Either a powermac (g5) or a mac pro?

[03:30:21]

defaultro:

Slicer, in what way?

[03:30:27]

SlicerDicer-:

same way defaultro

[03:30:28]

defaultro:

is GUID working now though?

[03:30:30]

SlicerDicer-:

randomly works

[03:30:39]

defaultro:

is that what you are testing?

[03:30:44]

Aurelius:

z0mg, too much data

[03:30:44]

SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: that was really the least of my concerns but that seems to work

[03:30:59]

SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: its totally unreliable for recording

[03:31:05]

defaultro:

so sometimes records and sometimes not?

[03:31:09]

SlicerDicer-:

yep

[03:31:13]

SlicerDicer-:

totally random

[03:31:29]

defaultro:

good news Slicer, I am able to play .evo files using mplayer

[03:31:29]

Varanger:

Please may anynome help me! Where can I download some free HD content ?? (besides Elephant's Dream and mariposaHD)

[03:31:46]

Aurelius:

you are looking for any gnome?

[03:31:59]

SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: its useless though...

[03:32:02]

SlicerDicer-:

I cant use firewire lol

[03:32:07]

defaultro:

:)

[03:32:11]

defaultro:

it'll be fix

[03:32:17]

defaultro:

downgrade back to .20 first

[03:32:19]

SlicerDicer-:

so unreliable that I am using hauppauge as my main tuner

[03:32:24]

SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: its worse then

[03:32:32]

defaultro:

my .20 is sweet

[03:32:33]

kslater:

Varanger – I think you're looking for the free HD channel

[03:32:37]

defaultro:

huh?

[03:32:37]

kslater:

this is mythtv-users

[03:32:44]

defaultro:

i don't have any issue with firewire

[03:32:55]

SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: some people do some people dont

[03:33:00]

defaultro:

you had the nicest firewire setup and now it's haywire?

[03:33:00]

SlicerDicer-:

more have issues than those who dont

[03:33:08]

SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: its always been shitty

[03:33:13]

SlicerDicer-:

ever since day one

[03:33:16]

defaultro:

hmm

[03:33:21]

defaultro:

it could be your firewire card

[03:33:26]

SlicerDicer-:

no

[03:33:28]

defaultro:

like mine before until i replaced it

[03:33:33]

SlicerDicer-:

I can stop it from doing it

[03:33:37]

SlicerDicer-:

I just have to tweek it

[03:33:44]

Aurelius:

so, is there a way to use a variable like %STARTTIME% in a filter? :)

[03:33:51]

defaultro:

i noticed though that my recording is best when I use broadcast

[03:33:57]

Aurelius:

or someway to add starttime to the filter class ;)

[03:34:13]

defaultro:

Aurelius, I don't know that, maybe some other folks around here

[03:34:47]

SlicerDicer-:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root 1505316 Jan 28 20:35 foo.mpg

[03:34:55]

SlicerDicer-:

now that I got it jogged to life defaultro

[03:35:01]

SlicerDicer-:

I can make it record every single time

[03:35:13]

SlicerDicer-:

if the backend does not mess up what my script does

[03:35:42]

defaultro:

k

[03:35:52]

SlicerDicer-:

thats the script I wrote

[03:35:56]

SlicerDicer-:

.20 broke it badly

[03:35:56]

defaultro:

ok

[03:35:59]

SlicerDicer-:

I could not even use my script

[03:36:08]

SlicerDicer-:

so well maybe at least I can use my script now hehe

[03:36:17]

SlicerDicer-:

thats how I got firewire stable previously

[03:37:29]

defaultro:

looking at the script, looks like you are testing the file first if it is empty, if it is, you modify settings via plugctr

[03:37:50]

SlicerDicer-:

yep

[03:37:53]

SlicerDicer-:

once the file fills

[03:38:03]

SlicerDicer-:

its safe to record all the time

[03:38:19]

SlicerDicer-:

btw defaultro I can use my script now

[03:38:48]

SlicerDicer-:

and make mythtv firewire stable

[03:38:53]

SlicerDicer-:

I will file a bug report though now

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defaultro:

ok

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monkeyBox:

My mythfrontend is starting on a channel that keeps crashing my frontend. How can I reset the channel that mythfrontend starts on?

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Fooker:

How do I save a recording that I've been watching?

[04:30:41]

Captain_Murdoch:

depends on what version of Myth you're running.

[04:31:22]

defaultro:

can someone relay this to juski. The preview in "Delete recordings" are not deleting other part of the thumbnails. The preview in "Watch Recordings" is fine.

[04:31:38]

defaultro:

it's on juski's blootube-wide

[04:31:50]

Fooker:

Captain_Murdoch: Wiki says hit the record button – what does that map out to on the keyboard?

[04:32:07]

Captain_Murdoch:

R normally

[04:32:24]

defaultro:

by the way folks, what package is mplex utility a part of?

[04:32:28]

Captain_Murdoch:

that works in newer versions, not in stuff before the LiveTV rewrite went in.

[04:32:59]

Captain_Murdoch:

mjpegtools

[04:33:04]

defaultro:

thanks :)

[04:33:08]

Captain_Murdoch:

mjpegtools mplex-2 version 1.6.2 (2.2.3)

[04:33:24]

defaultro:

cool

[04:34:23]

** defaultro just finished adding 30 more minutes for the Superbowl on Sunday **

[04:35:58]

opello:

does 'never record' in mythweb put that episode in the list of already recorded ones?

[04:39:30]

dcgaber:

hi all, can anyone help me setting up lirc?

[04:39:38]

dcgaber:

for some reason, the service does not want to start

[04:39:57]

dcgaber:

when i type service lirc status, it gives me no output

[04:40:44]

cmug:

I guess you are running redhat or suse, try service lirc stop and then service lirc start?

[04:41:05]

dcgaber:

yeah, that gives me no output either

[04:41:09]

dcgaber:

running fc, btw

[04:41:36]

dcgaber:

[root@localhost ~]# service lircd stop

[04:41:36]

dcgaber:

[root@localhost ~]# service lircd start

[04:41:36]

dcgaber:

[root@localhost ~]# service lircd status

[04:41:36]

dcgaber:

[root@localhost ~]#

[04:41:41]

dcgaber:

that is my output

[04:42:05]

Milosch:

woof

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cmug:

and ps -eaf | grep lircd gives no output aswell?

[04:42:12]

cmug:

after the start command

[04:43:03]

cmug:

You can also try to run the lircd manually, I guess its just ´lircd´ and see the output from the daemon itself

[04:43:33]

dcgaber:

ok, i think i see part of my problem

[04:43:44]

dcgaber:

i forgot to put an lircd.conf file in /etc/

[04:44:07]

cmug:

good error handling

[04:44:26]

dcgaber:

yeah, it would be nice to tell you to do that, i didnt even realize you need to do that first

[04:44:41]

dcgaber:

i am just going to reboot it now, to see if all the modules load up correctly

[04:45:05]

dcgaber:

because when i typed irw, it did nothing, and then when i typed it again, it said connection refused

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SlicerDicer-:

hmm

[04:51:14]

SlicerDicer-:

http://registration.hauppauge.com/webstore/ha . . . asp#mediamvp

[04:51:19]

SlicerDicer-:

says it supports divx?

[04:51:32]

SlicerDicer-:

is that new?

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: lies

[04:52:07]

SlicerDicer-:

ALL LIES!!!

[04:52:11]

** SlicerDicer- throws a brick at his own head **

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mchou:

it uses your computer to convert to divx

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mchou:

or I should say convert divx to mpeg2

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SlicerDicer-:

?

[04:53:25]

** SlicerDicer- boggles **

[04:53:39]

SlicerDicer-:

Play MPEG-1, MPEG-2 and DivX videos. Great for watching your favorite TV shows recorded with WinTV.

[04:53:42]

mchou:

it transcodes on the fly using your computer :)

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SlicerDicer-:

ohh so it would transcode it to mpeg2 on the backend?

[04:54:00]

mchou:

yup

[04:54:05]

mchou:

lame

[04:54:17]

SlicerDicer-:

is that intensive?

[04:54:23]

** SlicerDicer- has never done on the fly shit **

[04:54:42]

SlicerDicer-:

I mean the way I see it is that I dont use CPU power for hardly anything hehe

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mchou:

look at their specs for computer :)

[04:54:48]

SlicerDicer-:

I mean transcoding is what I use it for

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SlicerDicer-:

ahh that aint bad

[04:55:22]

SlicerDicer-:

easy enough to do :)

[04:55:29]

SlicerDicer-:

mine is a 3200+AMD64

[04:56:24]

mchou:

burrito time

[04:56:55]

mchou:

I dunno know why I have burritos on the brain today

[04:57:10]

mchou:

just this insatiable craving

[04:58:40]

mchou:

SlicerDicer-: so you gonna buy a mvp?

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: maybe?

[05:11:17]

SlicerDicer-:

if I can find somebody who has one :)

[05:11:21]

SlicerDicer-:

and tell me how it works

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: I think it would be nice

[05:12:41]

SlicerDicer-:

cheap frontends :)

[05:13:14]

SlicerDicer-:

I am looking at getting a HDTV maybe by July but for the other tvs it will be a while

[05:13:28]

SlicerDicer-:

so its not a big deal to run sdtv

[05:13:36]

SlicerDicer-:

and it would be a cheap solution for SDTV :)

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: you around?

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Mattwj2005:

hey guys

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Mattwj2005:

anyone using the newest Knoppmyth?

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Mattwj2005:

that would be if anyone was around :-P

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Paladine:

holy shit they nuked LA

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Milosch:

uh huh

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Paladine:

I been wanting to do that for years

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Mattwj2005:

dude don't joke about things like that

[06:08:50]

Mattwj2005:

that isn't funny

[06:10:40]

Paladine:

maybe not to you

[06:10:48]

Paladine:

I think the best thing that could happen to LA is a nuke

[06:10:51]

Paladine:

:)

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Mattwj2005:

what is wrong with LA?

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Paladine:

it is full of sanctemonious, self righteous pricks who think they are better than everyone else and have a massively disproportionate amount of wealth

[06:12:01]

Paladine:

to start with

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Paladine:

I could go on if you like

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Mattwj2005:

nope

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Mattwj2005:

not necessary

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Sembiance:

la de da

[06:46:58]

mothas:

Just a quick question I haven't found the answer to anywhere yet: If the actual mpg files are gone, how do I get the database to recognize this fact?

[06:52:11]

mothas:

I just had a disk die recently, and lost a few recordings. How do I get the database to recognize this? The missing recordings still show up in the listings, and the interface locks when I try to delete them there.

[06:52:59]

Dagmar:

You could *maybe* try creating files there

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mothas:

'there' doesnt exist anymore – though I could create directories I suppose – any way to just make a new database, or purge the old one?

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Dagmar:

rm deletes databases just fine

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mothas:

May have to try that.

[07:04:44]

vinboy:

hi

[07:04:49]

vinboy:

how do I go to next channel?

[07:06:11]

Dagmar:

That is *so* documented.

[07:06:29]

hads:

If you explain your question you may get an answer.

[07:08:13]

mothas:

arrow keys?

[07:09:25]

vinboy:

arrow keys doesn't work

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vinboy:

done that

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hads:

heh

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mothas:

At the risk of similar humiliation, how do I replace a dead mythconverg database?

[07:16:14]

hads:

You just want to remove it? i.e You don't need anything that's in it?

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Dagmar:

Pfft.

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Dagmar:

...and if that other dude was "humiliated" it's because he was just ludicrously dim to not have attempted up-arrow, down-arrow, or even just typing in a channel number and hitting enter.

[07:17:37]

mothas:

Thanks, dagmar.

[07:18:37]

Dagmar:

I'm just waiting for some newb to ask what TV is.

[07:18:57]

hads:

Angry Dagmar :)

[07:22:19]

Dagmar:

mothas: Eventually the issue of database/filestore desynchronization is going to bug someone enough to put together a script to "just clean up the mess"

[07:23:43]

mothas:

Dagmar: I hope so. As is, I took your advice and just rm'd mythconverg and things arent so happy at the moment. Seems there should be a better way to deal with a drive crashing than this.

[07:24:46]

cmug:

Whats TV?

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Dagmar:

mothas: If you use the mc.sql file to rebuild the database, you just gotta re-run mythtv-setup and then mythconverg

[07:25:16]

Dagmar:

er not mythconverg... mythfilldatabase

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Dagmar:

motahs: And for the record, I didn't tell you to delete the database

[07:26:20]

Dagmar:

I'dve personally just taken a shot at touching the missing files to create it, and if that didn't work I'd just ignore it. :)

[07:26:33]

Dagmar:

I wind up blowing away most of my recordings about once a month anyway

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mothas:

Hopefully my drive failures will be further apart than that.

[07:27:25]

Dagmar:

I'm just obsessively tidy

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Dagmar:

...that and I'm trying to be 100% sure the binary packages I'm making are working properly.

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mothas:

Thanks Dagmar – things seem to be recovering now.

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doc|home:

When I adjust the volume I hear no change. Passthrough input device is ALSA:iec958:{ AES0 0x02 } so I think it's using alsa. Anyone got any idea why this is happening?

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doc|home:

anyone?

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Zider:

I don't think you can control the spdifvolume

[08:50:53]

Zider:

I never could

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doc|home:

What's spdifvolume?

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Dagmar:

It's the volume control for the hardware you're not using or you'd know what it is

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Zider:

spdif is the iec958 digital output

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doc|home:

ah. right, I see

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doc|home:

I'll check to see if there's any other options I ca use

[08:53:20]

Zider:

and other than xmms' softvolume thingie, I'venever been able to affectthe spdif volume

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doc|home:

hmmm, so if I want to get it to affect the playback volume what's the best way to do it. Have it configured in licrc to work with aumix and not mythtv?

[08:54:13]

doc|home:

I'm surprised mythtv can't interface with alsa directly to do it

[08:54:59]

Zider:

it's not mythtvs fault

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doc|home:

hmmm, it should be able to because 'Use internal volume controls' is checked and seems to do that

[08:55:05]

Zider:

not sureit's alsas fault either

[08:55:22]

Zider:

just use the amplifiers volume

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doc|home:

'Mythtv can control the PCM and master mixer volume. If you prefer to use an external mixer program, then disable this option'. :/

[08:56:25]

doc|home:

hmm, might play with these options and see what happens

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doc|home:

if somethnig is benig recorded, how can I watch it?

[09:00:27]

doc|home:

even tmie lapsed

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doc|home:

*time

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kermitthefrog918:

hey is there a quick way to automatically cut commercials without retranscoding?

[09:11:16]

quicksil1er:

no

[09:11:29]

quicksil1er:

retranscoding is the only way to 'actually' cut them

[09:11:45]

quicksil1er:

although if you just 'mark them' then they won't show up when you watch the file

[09:11:53]

quicksil1er:

so all that matters is the diskspace they waste

[09:12:03]

kermitthefrog918:

I use mythweb to share to windows boxes and I want to get rid of the commercials when the windows boxes watch videos, any recommedations on how I could do this?

[09:12:18]

kormoc:

you can do the lossless transcode that will cut the commercials without too much re-encoding, but it uses some

[09:14:25]

Dagmar:

kermitthefrog918: If you'd like true lossless cutting of an MPG, you can, of course, tweak the ivtv settings so it tells the card to generate nothing but I frames, but not only will your resulting video files be huge, but God will kill a kitten every time you use it

[09:15:06]

quicksil1er:

tracked down my stupid 'why doesn't my remote control work any more' bug

[09:15:17]

quicksil1er:

turned out I'd installed a new udev which used /dev/lirc0 instead of /dev/lirc

[09:15:20]

quicksil1er:

grrr :)

[09:15:48]

kermitthefrog918:

how about a windows frontend that cat skip commercials? does one exist? ive tried tapeworm and winMyth, and I didn't see it as an available setting...

[09:16:00]

Dagmar:

kermitthefrog918: No.

[09:16:08]

Dagmar:

kermitthefrog918: What you want isn't possible. Period.

[09:16:44]

kormoc:

Dagmar, sure it is... someone can write a real windows frontend if they'd like

[09:17:57]

** quicksil1er suggests a VMware linux image as a 'windows frontend' **

[09:19:39]

kermitthefrog918:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Windows_ . . . ythTv_Player

[09:19:41]

kermitthefrog918:

found this...

[09:19:56]

kermitthefrog918:

apparently it can do the job... testing it out now

[09:21:23]

kermitthefrog918:

no go.. won't work on transcoded files...

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mishehu:

kermitthefrog918: where's yer pig?

[09:34:35]

mishehu:

heh

[09:35:01]

mishehu:

and don't forget to say "hi ho"

[09:35:58]

mishehu:

kormoc: a windows frontend for mythtv sounds like more of a possibility as soon as mythtv is migrated to qt 4.2.x no?

[09:39:06]

Dagmar:

lol

[09:40:17]

Dagmar:

As bad as it is now, this channel would probably just turn right into the seventh layer of hell if Windows users started flooding the channel wanting people to handhold them through setting everything up.

[09:41:55]

quicksil1er:

mishehu: I don't think there's any big technical barrier to a windows frontend. It's quite simply 'who would want to write it'

[09:42:22]

quicksil1er:

mishehu: all the developers are quite happy running linux on their frontends (presumably) and don't therefore feel motivated to aim for that feature

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quicksil1er:

it would take a motivated, competent windows developer to come along and say 'I'm going to do this'

[09:44:50]

kermitthefrog918:

yeah... personallly, i have no use for it, but my buds on my dorm floor like to make use of my mythtv box

[09:44:57]

Dagmar:

...and then not kill himself after 10,000 windows lamers pound his mind into jelly.

[09:45:08]

Dagmar:

That's going to be the hard bit.

[09:45:39]

kormoc:

mishehu, yeah, qt 4.x should make the porting much easier, but it'll be awhile before myth gets ported

[09:45:40]

kermitthefrog918:

I say the best bet is to write it, then claim it is unmaintained... then sneak out releases at random intervals

[09:45:56]

Dagmar:

kermitthefrog918: No. I'll find who did it and beat the crap out of them for that.

[09:45:57]

kormoc:

kermitthefrog918, patches will be welcome!

[09:46:10]

Dagmar:

...because they'll still be flooding the user-support avenues

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kormoc:

Dagmar, bah, stop being so asinine

[09:46:50]

kormoc:

Dagmar, myth devs want a windows frontend, hence the google summer of code project and all that, it'll happen someday

[09:47:05]

kormoc:

Dagmar, and if you don't want to provide support, feel free not to

[09:47:06]

Dagmar:

kormoc: As bad as the illiterates that already come in here are, Windows users are about 10x worse, and there's a hundred times more of them.

[09:47:23]

kermitthefrog918:

i dunno.. maybe I have more experience than the average user, and know that "unmaintained" means "thats too bad if you have problems with it"

[09:47:30]

kormoc:

no one is forcing you to be in here...

[09:47:49]

kormoc:

kermitthefrog918, you are, most people feel that if they are using it, it means it deserves to be maintained

[09:48:08]

kormoc:

kermitthefrog918, people pester the devs enough about winmyth and it's not even an myth project

[09:48:34]

Dagmar:

kormoc: You miss the point. Most people feel that if they're using something, then someone should be supporting it for them.

[09:48:53]

Dagmar:

It's only users of OSS that seem to have the clue that they need to help themselves and others when they can.

[09:49:11]

Dagmar:

http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=43 <-- this is the type of stupid Windows users are, in case people have forgotten.

[09:49:26]

kermitthefrog918:

out of curiosity, so what would commercial skip entail? wouldn't there be a way to piggy-back off of the windows mplayer version and jsut add some sort of interface to grab the commercial break points off the database/

[09:49:28]

kermitthefrog918:

?

[09:49:52]

Dagmar:

kermitthefrog918: You'd need a player that could play arbitrary segments from a video file. I've not seen anything do that yet.

[09:50:10]

kermitthefrog918:

maybe I place too much faith in mplayer...

[09:50:12]

Dagmar:

kermitthefrog918: And there's still the problem of keyframe accuracy

[09:50:57]

kormoc:

Dagmar, the *entire* idea behind OSS is to allow people to do what they want. they want a windows frontend, it'll happen someday, and you threatening to beat them down does not help the cause....

[09:51:17]

Dagmar:

kormoc: That's right. Obsess over a rhetorical statement.

[09:51:20]

mishehu:

Dagmar: btw, fyi, I'm a dev on the FreeSWITCH team, a VoIP soft-switch, and we fully support windows. I don't notice much of a diff between the windows and non-windows users of FreeSWITCH when it comes to providing assistance and support.

[09:51:40]

kermitthefrog918:

I'm not overly familiar with the engine in mythtv... what does it use to play video? and, like they were able to do with mplayer, could one create a cygwin package to run it on windows?

[09:51:46]

mishehu:

in fact, we support most major known os's, as we built off of apache's apr.

[09:51:58]

kormoc:

Dagmar, it's more that fact that it is a long running tendency with you. you tend to belittle people to the point that they leave rather then help...

[09:52:33]

Dagmar:

mishehu: That's because your app is both obscure enough that there's not likely a super-massive userbase, and complex enough that most of those users are going to be reasonably well-educated or they wouldn't even *know about* your app. You've got a "good seat" so to speak

[09:53:09]

Dagmar:

kormoc: Yes, I'm so awful for telling people they should read the documentation because it would solve their problem faster.

[09:53:28]

mishehu:

Dagmar: I donno, though we are a newer project (about 1 year old), we do seem to have a substantial userbase, and don't seem so obscure... especially since we were the first to really support googletalk.

[09:53:55]

mishehu:

and we do have our share of newbs, but that's to be expected.

[09:53:57]

kormoc:

Dagmar, given you tend to do it when others are actively helping them, then yes, it is. it's just more noise to the signal and thus causing the same issue you want to avoid

[09:54:07]

Dagmar:

mishehu: Honestly man, I'd say the bigger thing is that if someone even *knows* what VOIP is they're probably 75% of the way to actually knowing how to deal with it as well

[09:54:29]

mishehu:

Dagmar: 75% isn't enough.

[09:54:31]

kormoc:

tell that to the thousands of vonage/comcast/verizon voip customers

[09:54:38]

Dagmar:

kormoc: I'll tell you what, when I stop helping people who are clearly making an attempt to help themselves, you can shoot me in the face.

[09:55:20]

kormoc:

Dagmar, I never said when you tried to help it wasn't good, more that when you try not to help, that's the bad thing

[09:55:23]

Dagmar:

You guys should work in an actual repair shop or deal with technical support phones for Windows users sometime

[09:55:30]

** mishehu offers to sell kormoc a Dick Cheney costume. **

[09:55:38]

Dagmar:

heh

[09:55:51]

kormoc:

Dagmar, I have and still do provide windows support, it's not that bad most of the time

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[09:55:55]

Dagmar:

*Someone* has to weild a rolled-up paper.

[09:56:07]

mishehu:

Dagmar: uhm, I DO run a small IT corporation that we DO provide support to windows users.

[09:56:19]

kormoc:

hell, we get more dumb linux noobs then we would windows noobs, most windows noobs can run a program and use the os

[09:56:36]

mishehu:

some of those windows users are little old ladies who work for the companies who are our clients. and no, they haven't a clue under the sun how to really use their computers.

[09:56:45]

Dagmar:

miseshu: Then talk to your marketing people (or person) about the demographics of your userbase. Dollars to doughnuts the majority of them are educated.

[09:56:50]

kormoc:

Dagmar, the people the weild the newspaper are the ops, that's why they're put in a position of power...

[09:57:24]

mishehu:

Dagmar: being generally educated they are, being educated when it comes to computers is a different issue.

[09:57:34]

Dagmar:

There's a difference between people who are likely to use a VOIP app, and people who watch a lot of television.

[09:58:15]

Dagmar:

kormoc: Either way, it's your opinion

[09:58:36]

mishehu:

Dagmar: uhm, I think that the vast majority of my company's clientbase are the tv watching type. and if I tried to explain to them what mythtv is without saying "it's like a tivo", their heads would spin.

[09:59:34]

mishehu:

99% of my clients' employees don't know how to even tell what version of windows they have on their machine without me or one of my techs holding their hands step-by-step.

[09:59:44]

Dagmar:

Your point being?

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mishehu:

I'm used to "newbs"

[09:59:57]

Dagmar:

...because i"m having a lot of trouble differentiating it from mine.

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Dagmar:

Windows users on the whole seem to be about 20 IQ points down from most of the Linux users.

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mishehu:

and I have better understanding for how they think. as long as they're not trolling, I won't just say "RTFM"...

[10:01:12]

mishehu:

Dagmar: I see no real correlation to the iq of a user and their operating system of choice. if you mean their "computer iq" then *maybe*, but only *maybe*.

[10:01:26]

Dagmar:

You've oversimplifying. I never say "RTFM". For one thing, the true nincompoops wouldn't know what it meant. For the other, I'm generally rather specific about *which* documentation they should be reading, provided they had enough of a clue to indicate a *specific problem* in the first place.

[10:02:04]

mishehu:

sometimes having some interaction with people who explain what the documentation says does help you know heh.

[10:02:22]

Dagmar:

They have to cite a specific problem first.

[10:02:31]

Dagmar:

Usually that problem is simply "I have no idea what I'm doing"

[10:02:36]

mishehu:

sometimes they need guidance to find what that problem is.

[10:03:10]

mishehu:

yeah, I know. how many newbs here have the problems with no perms to the mythconverg db but need to have it extracted from them?

[10:03:13]

Dagmar:

They can spend 10 minutes looking over a few web pages, or they can make someone wade through their ignorance for a half hour or more just to get to the point where they can explain their problem properly.

[10:03:45]

kormoc:

Dagmar, there are people on here that don't mind doing that. If you don't want to help, then just don't. being bitter doesn't help anything...

[10:03:49]

** mishehu shrugs. obviously his experience with users and Dagmar must be completely different. **

[10:03:51]

Dagmar:

If they have spent that 10 minutes, it's obvious from the type of question they'll ask.

[10:04:07]

mishehu:

Dagmar: not always.

[10:04:15]

Dagmar:

misheshu: My experience with users goes back about two decades now

[10:04:30]

mishehu:

while mythtv does have good documentation, I wouldn't say that all the concepts in it are simple.

[10:04:50]

kormoc:

esp with people who have English as a second or third language

[10:04:51]

mishehu:

Dagmar: 2 decades? pssh, no wonder you're a bitter old man. ;-)

[10:04:57]

Dagmar:

mishehu: No joke there. I've been cobbling up new installation docs, but I keep getting sidetracked.

[10:05:10]

Dagmar:

misheshu: yes, I've been on the internet since before it was filled with porno. ;)

[10:05:38]

Zider:

same here

[10:05:46]

Zider:

not as support for boobs tho

[10:05:47]

Dagmar:

It was nice here before AOL.

[10:05:58]

mishehu:

I have that problem with being sidetracked. documentation and software dev always seem to fall to the wayside when paying customers call me with their "omg! word uninstalled itself from my machine!" which turns out to be "you deleted the shortcut from your desktop, you ninny."

[10:06:02]

Zider:

I never experienced the AOL hype :)

[10:06:37]

mishehu:

Dagmar: the internet has ALWAYS been filled with pron.

[10:06:48]

Dagmar:

I can remember seeing the first AOL commercial advertising they had the internet in their service (their wording, not mine) and thinking "This does not bode well."

[10:06:49]

kormoc:

Zider, but everyone experienced that September when aol went on line.... ouch...

[10:06:50]

mishehu:

even in arpanet I'm sure there was too. it might just have been ascii pron.

[10:07:00]

Zider:

kormoc: oh?

[10:07:35]

kormoc:

Zider, aye, it was a flood of epicness. A lot of channels tended to have one or two new people a month and had hundreds in that fateful month

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Dagmar:

misheshu: Nope. When it was all Gopher and Archie and Veronica and freaking bangpath email, there was actually compartively little porn, and spammers were killed outright.

[10:08:02]

Zider:

kormoc: hehe, I was lucky I guess :)

[10:08:05]

mishehu:

ugh, dont' remind me of American On-sLime... it took me years to convince my own father to drop their service.

[10:08:26]

qu0zl:

dagmar, i was around then, and despite the internet being 99% male, about 40% of the people online seemed to be 'hot chicks'

[10:08:38]

mishehu:

Dagmar: spamming wasn't as vogue back in the days of gopher and bangpath email.

[10:08:39]

qu0zl:

it was the golden era of the eTransvestie trucker

[10:08:45]

Dagmar:

qu0zl: That's what you get for hanging around mushes where the objective isn't killing monsters.

[10:08:54]

qu0zl:

nah, i ran a pk mud

[10:09:04]

qu0zl:

but still suspicious numbers of chicks

[10:09:07]

qu0zl:

when chicks didnt exist on the net

[10:09:11]

kormoc:

Zider, the one channel I was in had around 30 regulars or so, grew to a few hundred in a week or two. Killed the channel, as there was just no respect for it

[10:09:13]

mishehu:

most of the people who used the internet at that time were of a more educated elite, I'd say.

[10:09:25]

mishehu:

now it's flooded with naive run-of-the-mill users.

[10:09:28]

** mishehu shrugs. **

[10:09:32]

Zider:

kormoc: :/

[10:09:33]

Dagmar:

misheshu: No, it wasn't a matter of vogue so much as it was if you spammed anywhere important, people like S.P.U.T.U.M. would quietly hack into your servers and delete your accounts if need be.

[10:10:22]

Dagmar:

The Internet would have become a much different place had they been given grant funding and a blanket pardon for the things they'd need to do.

[10:10:50]

** mishehu sighs. **

[10:11:29]

mishehu:

believe whatever you want to believe.

[10:11:48]

mishehu:

the fact is that the internet simply had not matured at that point.

[10:12:06]

Zider:

there should be an internet license :P

[10:12:11]

mishehu:

I'd agree.

[10:12:21]

kormoc:

I wouldn't

[10:12:25]

Dagmar:

I was one of those calling for them after AOL slimed online.

[10:12:30]

kormoc:

the entire point is freedom of information to move around

[10:12:36]

kormoc:

a license restricts that for everyone

[10:12:46]

Zider:

ok, CHAT license then ;)

[10:12:49]

kormoc:

I much rather police what I see myself then have someone else do it

[10:12:55]

mishehu:

just like I believe there should be a baby license. and you can't have kids unless you can prove some level of competence as a potential parent. that would prevent that story of the brat on the airplane this last week.

[10:12:56]

kormoc:

Zider, /ignore works wonders :P

[10:13:13]

** kormoc wishes for an /ignore in real life **

[10:13:29]

Dagmar:

Information freedom is fine. If someone doesn't have a licence, they should only be able to access the internet in read-only mode.

[10:13:34]

Zider:

kormoc: not for spambots with new nicks and hosts every time

[10:13:42]

mishehu:

kormoc: that might be a problem, you might actually walk into that person you are /ignoring, and collide.

[10:14:05]

kormoc:

mishehu, heh, I'm a larger guy, they're more likely to fall down :P

[10:14:25]

Dagmar:

In most of the US you're not only required to pass a competency test before getting your driver's licence, you're required to obtain and maintain an insurance policy, because you could cause incredible financial harm to other people.

[10:14:30]

kormoc:

it's the people who are the least computer savy that have some of the best information

[10:14:51]

Dagmar:

15 year olds can do a lot more damage with a PC than they can with a big car.

[10:14:57]

mishehu:

Dagmar: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH you consider a driving exam a real measure of competency behind the wheel?

[10:15:08]

mishehu:

holy shit, you should have to ride in the car with my inlaws.

[10:15:10]

kormoc:

I know some blacksmiths, they don't know a mouse from a foot pedal, yet have ungodly good info on how metals work

[10:15:19]

mishehu:

don't forget to buy your life insurance in advance.

[10:15:24]

Dagmar:

mishesu: The point is that they can show another person they're capable of more or less keeping it in the road without deleting their hard drive.

[10:17:12]

mishehu:

I donno about your state, but IL and OH driving tests are by no means an accurate measure of a person's ability to keep a car on the road and from hitting another object on the road in normal day-to-day conditions.

[10:17:56]

mishehu:

if it was, then I'd think there'd be a lot less idiots and assholes on the road.

[10:21:06]

Changlinn:

here in Australia they actually do an on road test... but it still isn't enough, I reacon they should do retesting if they get caught doing something stupid

[10:21:35]

Changlinn:

anyone know how to setup mythtv with an avermedia 771

[10:21:49]

Changlinn:

when I do a channel scan I get failed to open card

[10:22:01]

Zider:

we have on-road tests here too, and on-ice-test too.. and if you do anything illegal within the first year you lose the license immediately

[10:22:05]

mishehu:

Changlinn: got mythbackend logging?

[10:22:08]

mishehu:

that might help.

[10:22:22]

Changlinn:

mishehu: mythbackedn logging?

[10:23:41]

mishehu:

Changlinn: channel scan on mythttv-setup or from somewhere else in mythtv ?

[10:23:46]

Changlinn:

I flipped back to the terminal I started mythsetup in

[10:24:15]

Changlinn:

yep in setup now, can't open card

[10:24:30]

mishehu:

hmm... I'd suspect that either you stumbled upon a bug (not highly likely) or that the device perms are wrong or the device is incorrect.

[10:24:33]

Changlinn:

I had it before when I was running knoppmyth, and I forgot how I fixed it

[10:26:47]

mishehu:

you could possibly attempt to run strace on mythtv-setup and log it, it will log all system calls and you'll be able to see what is failing.

[10:27:03]

mishehu:

anyway, I must get back to bed.

[10:27:09]

Changlinn:

I think it is the cheap and nasty card :P

[10:27:16]

mishehu:

that it might be...

[10:27:30]

mishehu:

don't have one myself, so can't vouch for it.

[10:27:40]

** Dagmar spends money to avoid hassle. **

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** Changlinn doesn't spend as much cause he is poo **

[10:28:17]

Changlinn:

and poor :)

[10:28:22]

Dagmar:

heh

[10:28:51]

mishehu:

yeah, I spend on some things to make my life easier... one fo those was to get a pvr250

[10:29:17]

Dagmar:

Wrestling with a framegrabber card is only a useful solution if your time isn't worth much

[10:29:37]

Changlinn:

it worked a different way it seems

[10:29:52]

Changlinn:

I am doing this with a pc a client was going to throw out

[10:29:54]

mishehu:

welp, bbl.

[10:29:57]

Changlinn:

have had the card for ages

[10:30:16]

Changlinn:

my old one died and I forgot how to do everything

[10:30:25]

Changlinn:

and my doco is sorely lacking

[10:31:34]

Changlinn:

I am thinking I might ghost this one once done to save on disasters

[10:33:33]

Changlinn:

now I am getting card 1 is set to start on channel 3, which does not exist, do I want to fix?

[10:34:26]

Dagmar:

Ignore that

[10:34:32]

Changlinn:

I did

[10:34:35]

Dagmar:

It's a bullshit error.

[10:34:41]

Changlinn:

just running mythfill

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Dagmar:

nothing is really broken there except mythtv-setup

[10:34:52]

Changlinn:

then fire it up and see how it goes

[10:35:21]

** Changlinn searches for remote **

[10:36:22]

Changlinn:

eww mythfill can't write cache file /var/local/tv_grab_au/

[10:37:07]

Changlinn:

I touched the file then chmod'd it to 777, should be alright...

[10:37:20]

Changlinn:

try with the dir 777

[10:40:48]

Changlinn:

hrmm no tv...

[10:40:53]

Changlinn:

may need antenna

[10:42:27]

Dagmar:

If you don't have TV reception, we really can't help you.

[10:44:00]

Dagmar:

MythTv is kinda geared more towards watching TV and skipping commercials. Skipping static to get to the parts where the dead send you EVP messages, not so much.

[10:44:17]

Changlinn:

yeah I know...

[10:44:22]

Changlinn:

have antenna now :)

[10:45:34]

Changlinn:

re-running scans

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The_Ball:

Dagmar, hehe, and what is evp

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Changlinn:

is snr of 98% good or bad

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quicksil1er:

hmm

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quicksil1er:

MythMedium? MythMostHaunted? MythTalkToGrandma?

[10:55:38]

quicksil1er:

awesome idea

[10:55:40]

quicksil1er:

Dagmar++

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quicksil1er:

'You have *bzzt* *FOUR* messages from dead relatives. To listen to your messages, press '1' on your remote'

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Changlinn:

just a mythplugin

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purserj:

Changlinn: heya

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Dagmar:

quicksilver: I wonder if I submitted a patch just to add a fake command line argument of --preserve-evp whether or not I could get it accepted.

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Changlinn:

ello

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Dagmar:

The_Ball: EVP is short for Electronic Voice Phenomena, i.e., when someone records onto blank media with no source and it picks up "voices of the dead", or more usually, the sloppy country music station two miles away that isn't maintaining their transmitter properly.

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The_Ball:

hehe, nice

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zoli2k:

With MSI VOX 2 USB TV card mythtv channel scan says: "Failed to open the card". The /dev/video0 is detected by mythv and I m in video group. I tryied as regular user and also as root.

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Dagmar:

zoli2k: Are you getting any messages in your syslog from the card or it's driver?

[11:26:40]

LLyric:

what permissions on the device?

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Changlinn:

if you can tell it not to open the card unless needed

[11:26:54]

Changlinn:

or try a different driver

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zoli2k:

crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 2007-01–29 12:19 /dev/video0

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Dagmar:

The backend needs to either be running as root or a have the video group membership

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zoli2k:

driver: em28xx

[11:29:56]

Dagmar:

Since that's a USB 2.0 device, you also get the entertaining overhead of having to make sure your USB bus is working properly, in 2.0 mode, and you've not plugged the thing into an underpowered USB hub of some kind

[11:31:37]

zoli2k:

Dagmar: My ipod work well (also usb 2 device) so I think this is not the case

[11:31:41]

Dagmar:

You might want to do an `lsmod | grep hci` and if you don't see at least ehci_hcd and ohci_ecd show you, you might well have a problem

[11:32:02]

Dagmar:

zoli2k: Not necessarily. Plug it into the same port you normally plug your iPod into.

[11:32:16]

Dagmar:

I've seen more than one board where some of the USB ports are only 1.0/1.1 capable

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zoli2k:

Dagmar: Yes, there is ehci driver

[11:32:44]

zoli2k:

It is a laptop with only 2 usb ports.

[11:33:18]

zoli2k:

I found ehci_hcd and uhci_hcd loaded

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Dagmar:

So check your syslog for any omnious-looking warning messages.

[11:33:48]

Dagmar:

The vast majority of the time, if a driver has a problem with something, it'll say so.

[11:33:54]

zoli2k:

dmesg says, the card was initalized by ehci_hcd

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Changlinn:

a little external antenna should do shouldn't it...

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zoli2k:

Is there any way to test the device? For example mplayer is able to read something from tv card devices?

[11:37:27]

Dagmar:

TVTime might be an option for testing.

[11:37:34]

Dagmar:

It's a pretty simple "I only play television" app

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zoli2k:

Ok, I try out.

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dave__:

Does anybody here use the 'pretty' script?

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pat_:

huh?

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pat_:

'pretty' script?

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Dagmar:

I have liboobs installed. Does that count?

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dave__:

pat_, a script that creates symlinks to your recordings with proper titles

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dave__:

wb juski

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juski:

thanks

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Changlinn:

under input connections if I do a scan, it should find some stuff yeah?

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juski:

'some stuff'... ?

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Changlinn:

channels

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Changlinn:

to be precise

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Dagmar:

Depends.

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Dagmar:

If it's regular cable and you're using zap2it to get your listings, definitely no.

[12:04:03]

Changlinn:

no just terrestrial digital

[12:04:18]

Changlinn:

using a grab script

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purserj:

Changlinn: How far are you from the nearest tower?

[12:04:59]

purserj:

I was able to grab all the local digital channels on a set of rabbit ears

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juski:

Changlinn: if you mean dvb-t you can scan from that part of mythtv-setup

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purserj:

yup

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Hoxzer:

Do you guys think it is somehow possible to transfer singal of 2 compisites (audio) and one VGA through CAT5 ?

[12:06:47]

Changlinn:

yeah thats whay I figured... I am pretty close, gore hill is maybe 15min drive away

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Dagmar:

Hoxer: Hah! You're short a few wires, dude.

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juski:

Hoxzer: nope. not through one cat5 cable anyway

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Hoxzer:

hmm :E

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juski:

cat5 only has 8 wires

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juski:

for decent signal transmission you use one pair per signal

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Dagmar:

Meaning four connections per cat5 cable

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Dagmar:

...and VGA doesn't go farther than about 15 feet without signal loss in the first place

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Changlinn:

on a fairly well sheilded cable....

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Changlinn:

cat5e isn't sheilded at all, utp

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purserj:

Changlinn: you should be sweet

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purserj:

Gore hill being the monster that it is

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juski:

with a good quality driver you can put vga over UTP cat5 cable for a good distance

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Changlinn:

prepare to sacrafice and arm&? limb

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Changlinn:

for stp

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juski:

but they ain't cheap!

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Dagmar:

..and get one wire wrong and you will increase noise. :)

[12:11:09]

Changlinn:

so purserj in the connect source to input bit, do i do scan for channels, it should find some, it don't...

[12:11:13]

Dagmar:

I was never more entertained by an amateur cabling job as the time I went on a call about "machine will not accept network connections without rebooting" and on a whim pulled out the voltometer

[12:11:25]

juski:

in other words, forget all about it Hoxzer

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Dagmar:

Sure enough, plug in the network cable and the computer reboots.

[12:11:30]

Dagmar:

...even from the BIOS screen.

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Dagmar:

60VAC coming across most of the pins will do that.

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purserj:

Changlinn: it finds nothing at all?

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juski:

Dagmar: lol

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Changlinn:

purserj: nothing

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juski:

Changlinn: you tested the card with scan & azap already?

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purserj:

hmm

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Dagmar:

It sparked when I cut off the cable end to recrimp it properly. :)

[12:13:55]

purserj:

Changlinn: what are you using to connect to the card?

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Changlinn:

speaking of odd power levels over ethernet some cowboy home-automation guy runs power for the lighting over it at one of our clients homes I don't know the voltage/amp but it powers the lights and stuff, and one of my colleuges accidentally plugged in an access point and saw some smoke...

[12:14:40]

Dagmar:

lol

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Changlinn:

juski: no...

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Dagmar:

Looks like someone took the phrase "power over ethernet" to heart

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juski:

Changlinn: then you *should*

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Changlinn:

purserj: just an antenna stolen from a little tv

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Changlinn:

purserj: scan doesn't get any lock...

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purserj:

hmm let me ponder it

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Changlinn:

gonna try specifying signal

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juski:

try it outside of mythtv. you don't even know the driver is working otherwise

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juski:

helps eliminate some variables

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juski:

might even stop you wasting your time too

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Changlinn:

fair enough

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Changlinn:

Dagmar: the scary thing is ports aren't labelled... it is like freaking russian roulette, I just don't move or plug anything in...

[12:20:55]

Changlinn:

I think it is like 90v iirc

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Dagmar:

Well, if it's AC you can probably just hold a sounder sensor near 'em

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Changlinn:

yeah but thats another tool I gotta carry, the less the better...

[12:22:49]

Changlinn:

I ditched my torx and mini-multimeter the other day

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Changlinn:

juski: do you mean scantv or just scan?

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juski:

Changlinn: scan

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Changlinn:

cause scantv says no tuner

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Changlinn:

do you have a link for how to use scan?

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juski:

nope

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juski:

search the mythtv wiki

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purserj:

Changlinn: what card you do have?

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Changlinn:

avermedia 771

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purserj:

Digital or analogue?

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Changlinn:

digital

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Changlinn:

yep adapter0/

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purserj:

hmmm

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** Changlinn googles **

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juski:

new theme nearer completion :)

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Dagmar:

It wont' be as small as mine. )

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Dagmar:

PNG compresses like *crazy* when all you're using is a half-dozen colors. :)

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Zider:

gif! ;)

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Dagmar:

GIF has suck for alpha channel.

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Dagmar:

I had to turn the elbo into a watermark.

[12:57:03]

Dagmar:

Still hoping I can get right-justification of text working.

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Dagmar:

I've outright abandoned figuring out what balancerows does

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juski:

and you still need antialiasing or the edges will look like crap on a TV

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Changlinn:

try again tomorrow night

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Changlinn:

night

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quicksil1er:

juski: the default myth setup has 'jaggy' text and yet it looks fine on my TV was reasons we were discussing a few days ago

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quicksil1er:

juski: is antialiasing really all that important?

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juski:

fonts are drawn anti-aliased by default I think

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juski:

take a screenschot & zoom into an area where there's white text on black

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juski:

you won't see just black & white ;)

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juski:

Dagmar: ever seen this effect? see the title text at the top right: http://www.juski.co.uk/ugh.png

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juski:

transparent overlays looked awful on one of my X sessions

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juski:

on my other x session, www.juski.co.uk/comingsoon.png (yes the text is smaller too)

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Ryushin:

Is there a patch or anything like that to enable h.264 as the default transcoder?

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juski:

nope#

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juski:

you get mpeg4 or mpeg4 in mythtv itself AFAIK

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GreyFoxx:

juski: Another theme ?:)

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quicksil1er:

juski: I displayed 'big' on a projector and it looked jaggy to me

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juski:

GreyFoxx: jups

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juski:

quicksil1er: well, it's not

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juski:

do that test I suggested & you'll see

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GreyFoxx:

juski: cool

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Ryushin:

juski: Have you seen anything on doing two pass mpeg transcoding then? I have NTSC and HDTV shows that I want to compress but have the quality be as good as possible.

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juski:

got a lot of ui.xml done so far too

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juski:

Ryushin: mpeg4 can be 2-pass I think

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juski:

I'm compression neutral – i.e. I keep very little

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Ryushin:

I'll go surf the wiki and see what I can find out. I assume I won't be able to use the default myth transcoder interface.

[14:15:53]

Ryushin:

I have 15 days with or recordings at this point.

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juski:

er.. watch stuff!

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Ryushin:

15 days worth.

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juski:

I have 8 days worth

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juski:

I'll never watch it all

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Ryushin:

I am. :) I work a lot too. I guess I need to sleep less. :)

[14:17:03]

juski:

I have 3 series I've set to not autoexpire

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juski:

tv is the ultimate disposable medium ;)

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Ryushin:

I've been adding disks. I'll add another TB next August (birthday). Is that sick or what?

[14:19:11]

juski:

you need help :)

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juski:

only my database gets backed up. everything else is throwaway, even the stuff I like

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Ryushin:

Well, I'm not doing RAID or anything. If a drive fails, oh well.

[14:20:30]

juski:

less to sit through :)

[14:20:45]

Ryushin:

Though the storage groups helped a lot.

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quicksil1er:

Ryushin: be aware that if you are drive-spanning your chance of failure is actually going up each time you add a drive

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juski:

I might have time to watch what I record if 1) I didn't come here 2) I wasn't a forum mod 3) I didn't lift a finger for the mythtv cause

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quicksil1er:

Ryushin: and that a single drive failure on a spanned volume can take out the whole FS

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Ryushin:

The wiki doesn't seem to have any information on two pass transcoding.

[14:22:05]

juski:

I thought 2-pass was just a tick-box

[14:22:08]

Ryushin:

quicksiller: Hince, storage groups.

[14:22:20]

Ryushin:

Well, let me double check to see if it's been added.

[14:22:55]

quicksil1er:

Ryushin: yes, but then storage groups put you back in the 'bad old days' of managing your partitions by hand

[14:22:59]

quicksil1er:

which is fine

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quicksil1er:

:)

[14:23:08]

quicksil1er:

but I like the convenience of volumen management

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Dagmar:

Using storage groups on just one machine is probably a bad idea

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juski:

NO, not the lvm conversation again

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juski:

anything but that!

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Dagmar:

Now, if you have NFS-mounted shares to write to in addition to local machine storage, then it makes more sense

[14:24:13]

Ryushin:

Can't stand LVM. Rather just have the partitions. I have NFS partitions as well. But storage groups on one machine with multiple hard drives make perfect sense.

[14:24:29]

Dagmar:

It's not like an "It's teh ebil!"-idea, but it is adding complexity without much benefit

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Ryushin:

I have two SD and two HD encoders, and 5 drives in my main master backend/frontend. Storage groups works wonderfully.

[14:26:42]

juski:

alright if you use SVN & are prepared to take the hit for that

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quicksil1er:

Ryushin: don't think anyone is saying storage groups don't work. Just that it's extra admin to manage your partitions separately

[14:28:58]

Ryushin:

What kind of hit? I've been using SVN for 18 months now. Couldn't be happier.

[14:31:32]

Ryushin:

It would be nice if I could find a write up on the options in the MythTV transcoder sections for the sliders and such. It just says there could be a severe consequences for changing the default.

[14:31:44]

quicksil1er:

Ryushin: Not admin work at all. Just a learning curve while you learn the tool. After that it's damn easy.

[14:31:51]

quicksil1er:

Ryushin: I don't understand your scalability point? what did you mean?

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Ryushin:

If I have multiple recordings taking place, storage groups will have the recordings take place on different spindles. If I use LVM or RAID, I'm either going to have all the spindles running, or have just one spindle running depending on which RAID or LVM I'm using.

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Ryushin:

I was getting IO errors when using RAID 0. The drives were just having way to much work to do. Having a recording going to it's own spindle allows it to scale much better.

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fryfrog:

I think when i re-do my backends i'll probably just do *one* master with ~ 1 driver / recorder

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fryfrog:

using recording groups

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moh:

Ryushin: IO Errors and not doing raid0 fixed it? That sounds fishy.

[14:35:06]

fryfrog:

but i'll still go with a raid5 array for file *storage*

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Dagmar:

Ryushin: What type of disks were these? 4200rpm notebook drives?

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fryfrog:

Ryushin: that does sound odd, I have a 5 drive array in raid5 and it keeps up with 2 HD encodes over PCI and 2 HD encoders from firewire over NFS

[14:35:44]

Ryushin:

moh: Getting rid of RAID 0 and using individual partitions (on whole drives) and storage groups fixed it.

[14:36:20]

Ryushin:

Dagmar: 7200 RPM drives.

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moh:

drives should *not* give IO errors due to load.

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quicksil1er:

certainly not, they should just block

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fryfrog:

i think he means mythtv's IO errors

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Dagmar:

Ryushin: I would have probably taken a shot at upping the latency for the disk controller card

[14:36:48]

moh:

unless they're broken.

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planktonboy:

hi all

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fryfrog:

"IOBOUND"

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quicksil1er:

that's quite interesting

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moh:

ah, okay. Mythtv errors are okay :-)

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Ryushin:

fryfrog: Yes, IOBOUND in myth.

[14:38:58]

planktonboy:

could anyone assist me in setting a new xfs partition on an already installed setup

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Ryushin:

All the drives except the boot drive are on SATA2. I have room to another another drive this summer, and that will be a TB drive. Then over time, I'll replace the 200 GB drives with bigger drives.

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fryfrog:

planktonboy: mkfs.xfs?

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fryfrog:

Ryushin: blech, TB drives are a rip now

[14:40:21]

Ryushin:

fryfrog: Well, I haven't seen any for sell. But hitachi has said they will go on sail at $399.

[14:40:27]

Ryushin:

sale.

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** Ryushin should actually reads what he types. **

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fryfrog:

2.5G/$

[14:41:35]

fryfrog:

320G drives for $100 (or less) are 3.2G/$

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Ryushin:

fryfrog: That's fine. During the summer they should drop down to the low $300's. I'm going to want as much density in my master box as I can get. I figure I'l have 6+ TB by the time I'm done.

[14:43:02]

quicksil1er:

I bought 2 400s recently for about $150 each

[14:43:15]

quicksil1er:

that was the best space/cost tradeoff when I checked

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fryfrog:

wowsa!

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quicksil1er:

not quite as good as your 320 for 100

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fryfrog:

400/150 = 2.6G/$

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quicksil1er:

but stuff is still a little more in the UK :(

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quicksil1er:

due to the strong pound

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fryfrog:

320Gs have been the "good" one for a while now

[14:44:12]

quicksil1er:

strong pound/weak dollar means that price drops often don't get reflected as much as we'd hope

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planktonboy:

fryfrog, yes thats the command thanks. But is it possible to create an xfs partition and just label it something like /recordings, or does it have to be labelled as one of the usual paths like /home /opt, etc

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quicksil1er:

(also that includes 17.5% tax,

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quicksil1er:

etc

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fryfrog:

planktonboy: i'm not following you? you can mount your drive where ever you want.

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planktonboy:

I have some good info on how to move the /home path to a new partition, but not sure if its just easier to create a new partition and label it

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planktonboy:

ah

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planktonboy:

ok

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fryfrog:

planktonboy: I have my large raid5 array mounted in /data

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fryfrog:

in ubuntu, they like to use UUID or something instead of /dev/something

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fryfrog:

but... other than that, nothing is hard about mounting your drive, parition where ever you want

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planktonboy:

yes

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planktonboy:

thanks very much mate...

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planktonboy:

appreciated :))

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planktonboy:

yup..that makes some sense now

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planktonboy:

yeah I use ubuntu and when I was trying to create the new partition it wasnt allowing me to label it as anything other than the default choices such as /home /boot /lvm etc

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planktonboy:

I will try again

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planktonboy:

:)

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planktonboy:

and you reckon xfs is much better than ext3 for recording to

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planktonboy:

seems to be the one recommended

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Dagmar:

Yes, definitely

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Dagmar:

Although jfs is probably better still

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Dagmar:

scotchick?

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Dagmar:

wrong channel

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fryfrog:

I like xfs, worked fine for me.

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planktonboy:

ok thanks very much. I'll check out jfs too before I do anything

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fryfrog:

i would suggest a UPS though, unless you don't keep very important data on it

[14:54:55]

KaZeR:

hey people. may i ask here about ivtv problems?

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Dagmar:

KaZeR: Sure

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KaZeR:

nice :)

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fryfrog:

if you use xfs, you might check out xfs_fsr which is a defrag prolly for xfs

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Dagmar:

fryfrog: ...and *that* is why I prefer jfs over xfs

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fryfrog:

it isn't complicated, it really just tries to make files continious (contigious)

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fryfrog:

?

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fryfrog:

Dagmar: why?

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moh:

I'm pretty sure it brings extents.

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planktonboy:

k

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Dagmar:

fryfrog: because if you write to a file on an xfs filesystem 1,000 times, it uses 1,000 extents

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moh:

fryfrog: yeah, it tries to allocate one extent for the whole file.

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fryfrog:

i wonder if reiserfs is dead like that guys wife :p

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KaZeR:

i recently tried to use my pvr350's output. so i installed the ivtv-fb driver. now, when my computer boots, it freeze after 15s at 'letting udev process events'.

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Dagmar:

If you do it 100,000 times, it uses 100,000 extents.

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moh:

fryfrog: it died before nina.

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fryfrog:

and jfs doesn't?

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Dagmar:

If you write to a file on a jfs fileystem in 100,000 little bunches, it really just doesn't give a damn, afaik

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moh:

mythtv, when doing recordings, should be able to allocate the right amount of space.

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fryfrog:

but it doesn't put them together on the disk, right?

[14:56:52]

fryfrog:

i mean, it doesn't make them continious (or is the word contigious?)

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moh:

e.g., it knows the recording rate, so it can say "Open me a 2.7GB file"

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fryfrog:

moh: kind of liek BT does?

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Dagmar:

fryfrog: Between filesystem caching and the rate at which the data is needed, fragmentation is not a very big deal

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fryfrog:

ah

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moh:

xfs does attempt to make contiguous files.

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Dagmar:

They both attempt to make contiguous files

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fryfrog:

I dunno, when I record 2–4 streams they tend to be less contigious

[14:57:52]

moh:

fryfrog: yes, somewhat.

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fryfrog:

but yeah, when i run xfs_fsr *most* files are going from like 2–10 extandts to 1

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Dagmar:

It's just that in teh case of xfs afaik, some extra data about how the file was written gets stored that we don't give a crap about. Namely, it winds up making a record of how the data was written...

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moh:

fryfrog: it doesn't make the file show up at 2.7GB immediately, like BT does. Its just a hint to the FS that you plan to write 2.7GB of data.

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fryfrog:

but sometimes, it'll clean up one that is like 1,000 or more

[14:58:49]

Dagmar:

KaZeR: Okay. THAT is something we can prolly fix

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fryfrog:

Dagmar: ah, I see

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fryfrog:

Dagmar: the one thing I did find was that files on xfs that had *very* few extants deleted *very* fast

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KaZeR:

Dagmar, i'm glad to hear that :D i even tried with two different cards in case my hardware would be faulty, but no luck

[14:59:34]

fryfrog:

but the ones with many, could take as long as deleting a file off ext3

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Dagmar:

KaZeR: Most likely you left out i2c support or momre likely you've disabled firmware loading. Pastebin what comes up in your syslog when ivtv is trying to load

[15:00:08]

KaZeR:

sure hang on

[15:01:20]

KaZeR:

is it just for me or is pastebin.ca weird?

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Dagmar:

It's a hell of a lot faster than pastebin.com and that's all I care about

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KaZeR:

http://pastebin.com/870277

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KaZeR:

if it's too slow, i've put it also there : http://wwW.kazer.org/pasted.txt

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Dagmar:

KaZeR: Okay for it to load one firmware and not hte other is not such a good thing. Can you maybe pastebin your output from `md5sum /lib/firmware/*`?

[15:05:56]

KaZeR:

sure

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Dagmar:

What the heck kernel are you using anyway?

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KaZeR:

damn, i have to go afk for 10 minutes

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KaZeR:

be back asap, thanks for your time :)

[15:07:07]

KaZeR:

kernel is homemade, i'll paste my .config too

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Dagmar:

no, which *version* of the kernel?

[15:08:19]

** Dagmar hugs planktonboy for reading documenation to find answers. **

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Dagmar:

Nevermind that we've read that a dozen times over, in this case it's the thought that counts.

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planktonboy:

haha

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planktonboy:

yup

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planktonboy:

but thanks very much for your help...both of you guys

[15:09:55]

planktonboy:

I need to go out shopping for some tv cable dual out adapter now

[15:10:08]

Dagmar:

eh?

[15:10:10]

Dagmar:

Why?

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planktonboy:

oh and an s-video to scart adapter

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Dagmar:

Yehc

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planktonboy:

anyway will cya laters...bye for now and thanks again :)))

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Ryushin:

This sounds like an interesting patch: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2976 I wonder when it will be integrated. I'll apply it on my own and see what kind of improvement it makes.

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KaZeR:

Dagmar, 2.6.16.19 (vanilla / gentoo)

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KaZeR:

Dagmar, (and others ;) ) : http://www.kazer.org/firmwares

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tha_toadman:

hey – can someone recommend a generic IR/remote combo that's mythtv friendly?

[15:32:33]

** mishehu bahs. **

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tha_toadman:

what's the "bah" for?

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KaZeR:

tha_toadman, i would suggest you to buy something listed at www.lirc.org

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Ryushin:

tha_toadman: I've used the built in remote on the hauppauge PVR-350 card, and I've been using the RF Firefly on my other frontend. I have to admit, the firefly is very nice. It uses the same driver as the ATI RF remote.

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tha_toadman:

kazer, ok – thats all i needed ;-) a simple list of supported hardware

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Ryushin:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Snapstream_Firefly

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KaZeR:

:) (and as Ryushin said, if you have a pvrx50 remote, theses works very well)

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KaZeR:

s/works/work

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tha_toadman:

i have a pvr-150 card but mine didn't come with a remote though (off of newegg)

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Ryushin:

tha_toadman: Make sure it has the port to plug in your remote. Not all have it.

[15:47:07]

tha_toadman:

ryushin – ok, thanks

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Ryushin:

You can probably find the firefly pretty cheap on ebay.

[15:47:25]

tha_toadman:

so the ir has to connect in directly to the card?

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juski:

pity there's no such thing as an rf remote which also has IR

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juski:

all in one remotes ftw :)

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tha_toadman:

yeah, that'd be nice wouldn't it

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tha_toadman:

forgive me if it's a noob question, but can't you connect a IR/Remote to a frontend box? or does it have to head over to the backend machine?

[15:54:32]

juski:

remotes go on the frontend

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Dagmar:

You rather *want* it on the frontend, actually.

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juski:

unless you're talking about IR blasters

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gardengnome:

well, i think lircd has a network mode. it might be possible to plug the remote into the backend ;)

[15:55:18]

tha_toadman:

that's what i thought, juski – just 2x checkin

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juski:

go on, just complicate it, gardengnome :-P

[15:55:37]

gardengnome:

juski: that's why i'm here. :)

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Dagmar:

tha_toadman: Look at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Executive_Overview

[15:55:44]

Dagmar:

It may help

[15:55:57]

Dagmar:

It has pitchers!

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juski:

mmm pitchers

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tha_toadman:

:-P you mean pictures

[15:56:14]

tha_toadman:

lol

[15:56:21]

** juski orders a pitcher or vodka & redbull **

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juski:

s/or/of

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batdog|gone is now known as batdog

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** gardengnome gets sick all of a sudden **

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KaZeR:

so guys, what do you think of my firmwares?

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tha_toadman:

RF like the snapstream firefly would work best for me (as my backend resides in the basement)

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juski:

KaZeR: do you have permission to distribute them?

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Dagmar:

KaZeR: THEY ARE TEH EVIL!

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gardengnome:

there's some really good stuff in the wiki, i should read it more often

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juski:

yeah I really enjoy having a laugh at the lame feature requests

[15:57:58]

KaZeR:

juski, that's a weird question.. i've only posted the md5sum as per request of Dagmar ..

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Dagmar:

KaZeR: Have you *looked* at that URL?

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juski:

looked like you're hosting em, KaZeR – which'd be naughty

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KaZeR:

Dagmar, which one?

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KaZeR:

juski, nop, that's only md5sum * > firmwares :)

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Dagmar:

The one you just posted

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KaZeR:

damn what's the heck..

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KaZeR:

you get a vhcs error?

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Dagmar:

IT IS TABOO!

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KaZeR:

uh

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KaZeR:

erm..

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KaZeR:

you asked me for the md5sum, didn't you?

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Dagmar:

Yep

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KaZeR:

so that's what i put there. a text file with my md5sums. no files.

[16:02:14]

Dagmar:

So why am I getting this engrish message from your webserver?

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Dagmar:

"/firmwares Forbidden!"

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KaZeR:

ahah just because i made a typo :)

[16:02:32]

Dagmar:

Firmware is both singular and plural you know.

[16:02:37]

KaZeR:

oh

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quicksil1er:

http://www.kazer.org/firmwares works for me

[16:02:51]

KaZeR:

i'm french, please excuse my bad english :)

[16:02:55]

Dagmar:

S'okay

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KaZeR:

quicksil1er, yup i did correct the chmod

[16:04:22]

juski:

woohoo! a post worth reading! http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/249524

[16:04:45]

Dagmar:

The md5sum for v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw doesn't match mine, but then I'm pretty sure it wouldn't normally unless you grabbed yours straight off the driver CD

[16:04:52]

Dagmar:

THe others match

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KaZeR:

i got my firmwares from an ebuild in gentoo.

[16:05:33]

KaZeR:

media-tv/pvr-firmware-20061007

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KaZeR:

(latest stable i believe)

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quicksil1er:

juski: <metoo/>

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Dagmar:

...and people say that TV watching applications don't attract a particularly dim-witted class of user.

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Dagmar:

juski: I totally understand that man's pain

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Dagmar:

I was trying to say last night that a Windows frontend would drown us in idiots, and people acted like I was being unreasonable about it

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quicksil1er:

In some cases, questions

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quicksil1er:

get asked mere days or hours after the question has been previously

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quicksil1er:

and thoroughly dealt with.

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juski:

Dagmar: totally with you on that one

[16:07:16]

quicksil1er:

<---- ironically this is a bit circular

[16:07:28]

quicksil1er:

one reason why people might not notice that the question has been asked hours before

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juski:

totally dead set against a windows port full stop

[16:07:34]

quicksil1er:

is that the list is too high volume to read efficiently

[16:07:56]

quicksil1er:

(not that this invalidates the many other good points the author makes)

[16:07:58]

SlicerDicer-:

hey juski you familar with the mediamvp?

[16:08:21]

juski:

SlicerDicer-: don't own one but I know the principle behind it

[16:09:01]

SlicerDicer-:

juski: so I am just wondering how I would hook it up to make it work :)

[16:09:29]

SlicerDicer-:

all I need to do is specify where the tftp is

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SlicerDicer-:

?

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Dagmar:

You know what that mailing list needs...

[16:10:33]

Dagmar:

It needs peer-review

[16:10:46]

SlicerDicer-:

Dagmar?

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Dagmar:

Let people sign up to a starter list, where they must answer one other person's question, correctly, and have the answer vetted by people beyond that list before being admitted to the *real* list.

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quicksil1er:

Dagmar: would there be enough peers willing to spend enough time moderating to make that work?

[16:11:23]

quicksil1er:

ah

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juski:

SlicerDicer-: can't help you there – it's basic tftp server stuff. there's a howto somewhere. try the mythtv wiki wiki

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Dagmar:

It's complete nonsense, but it would stop probably 95% of the bullshit one-time idiot posters

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GreyFoxx:

SlicerDicer-: You might consider reading the guides on the mvpmc website

[16:11:47]

SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: alright

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quicksil1er:

Dagmar: that author's specific examples of bad posts both came from experienced posters though

[16:12:21]

quicksil1er:

Dagmar: suggesting the bullshit one-timers may not be the whole problem

[16:12:25]

Dagmar:

quicksiller: Yeah, probably he chose some bad examples there

[16:12:52]

juski:

the problem with mailing lists is that people only have so much sarcasm in them

[16:13:00]

SlicerDicer-:

lol

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Dagmar:

You make it sound like there's a limited amount of sarcasm in the world or something

[16:13:27]

fryfrog:

OH SHIT, A LIMITED AMOUNT OF SARCASM???

[16:13:27]

juski:

yours is limitless

[16:13:38]

SlicerDicer-:

juski: how well does the video play on the mvp? do you know of anybody who has run one and talked about the performance?

[16:13:39]

fryfrog:

i've been using sarcasm at a rate which is potentially unsustainable!

[16:13:43]

quicksil1er:

there is no law of conservation of sarcasm

[16:13:46]

Dagmar:

Hey my momma always said, "If you can't say something sarcastic, you're probably dead."

[16:13:56]

juski:

SlicerDicer-: which part of "I don't own one" passed you by? ;)

[16:14:27]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: that's precious

[16:14:32]

SlicerDicer-:

juski: well you moderate the mythtv forum I saw you posting about one I thought you might have heard somewhere along the line or something :)

[16:14:35]

SlicerDicer-:

cant hurt to ask

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juski:

it plays back mpeg2 with its hardware decoder

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GreyFoxx:

SlicerDicer-: Mpeg2 plays perfectly fine

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juski:

and squit all else, other than mpeg1 AFAIK

[16:15:18]

GreyFoxx:

If you want to play other codecs you have to jump through a few hoops, but it works well enough

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SlicerDicer-:

alright

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GreyFoxx:

they use vlc to do on the fly transcoding to mpeg2 if you play xvids and such

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juski:

jump through hoops, like transcode to mpeg2 on the fly at the server end?

[16:15:44]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

It's all automated/scripted

[16:16:08]

Dagmar:

What would be nice would be transcoding to FLV

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KaZeR:

so guys, any thought about my computer hanging at boot time since i tried to use ivtv-fb? (i fell quite off-topic here, especially after reading this post ;) )

[16:16:41]

SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: I was curious cause I dont really want to spend 90$ on a experiment haha

[16:16:51]

SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: at least a experiment that could be rendered useless

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Dagmar:

KaZeR: Is there any particular reason you're still using the 2.6.16.x kernel? I'd recommend at least 2.6.17.13 and ivtv-0.7.3

[16:17:02]

juski:

am I missing something or was FLV a really lame format from 'multimedia' CDROMs ?

[16:17:06]

KaZeR:

Dagmar, flv suck. you can't even rewind. i tested it some weeks ago, with a script i found on the net.

[16:17:21]

** juski is not web 2.0 enabled **

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Dagmar:

KaZeR: Go to YouTube and tell me that

[16:17:31]

KaZeR:

Dagmar, mmm no specific reason i can think of. just, "It Worked Before" :)

[16:17:49]

GreyFoxx:

We might eventually see some sort of on the fly transcoding in the backend

[16:17:57]

Dagmar:

THe important thing about FLV being that if VLC could transcode to that, we'd have a way to shut up the people "politely inquiring" about poorting the frontend to their Nintendo Wii's

[16:18:05]

KaZeR:

Dagmar, being widely used doesn't mean for me that it's good (windows? ie? ;) )

[16:18:11]

SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: but it looks to be a really reasonable cost for a frontend :)

[16:18:15]

Dagmar:

KaZeR: It very much can rewind.

[16:18:19]

GreyFoxx:

It would make video playback on several machines easier including mvps, xbox360 etc

[16:18:35]

GreyFoxx:

SlicerDicer-: It's very limited, but for record playback it

[16:18:41]

GreyFoxx:

s fine, and the video quality is good

[16:18:42]

KaZeR:

Dagmar, my bad on this point, you're right. it can can't rewind on my xbox media center :D

[16:18:54]

KaZeR:

s/can /just

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SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: cool

[16:19:17]

GreyFoxx:

My MVP is sitting on a shelf 2 feet from me :)

[16:19:23]

SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: and you can setup the backend to transcode say a xvid4 to mpeg2 on the fly?

[16:19:26]

Dagmar:

KaZeR: Bugs tend to get fixed in higher-numbered releases

[16:19:36]

GreyFoxx:

I brought it back out of my basement now that they are adding upnp support

[16:19:40]

SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: all I use is either mpeg2 or xvid4 :)

[16:19:48]

GreyFoxx:

SlicerDicer-: You use vlc to do it

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bipolar:

has anyone been able to view the nvu recordings from mythweb streamed? what apps can do this? I've tried kaffine (xine doesn't seem to know what to do with them), and vlc (doesn't seem to allow streaming).

[16:19:54]

GreyFoxx:

it's all covered in their documentation

[16:19:56]

SlicerDicer-:

ok

[16:20:01]

Dagmar:

KaZeR: I suggest you at least try 0.6.6

[16:20:03]

bipolar:

I'd like to fix xine so it plays them.

[16:20:08]

KaZeR:

Dagmar, i'll give 2.6.17 or whatever stable release a try right now

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KaZeR:

mmmm 2.6.17.13 seems to be the latest stable realease. should i go for 2.6.18 / ivtv 0.8.2-r1

[16:21:17]

KaZeR:

?

[16:21:33]

Dagmar:

KaZeR: At a worst-case, you can always try the firmware I'm using.... http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw

[16:21:33]

** juski composes another -users thread... "hey I have this box that has a CPU & I was wondering if I could use it as a front end for my mythtv media center and play back HDTV" **

[16:21:53]

KaZeR:

thanks Dagmar

[16:22:02]

Dagmar:

juski: You need to specify that it's an "intel" CPU. They'll need to know that.

[16:22:12]

Dagmar:

Put it in lowercase, and doublequotes.

[16:22:26]

Dagmar:

Someone will probably blow a gasket

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juski:

all I know is that it's a CPU and it has a clock speed

[16:22:49]

Milosch:

no, no clock, it's for my tv

[16:22:51]

Dagmar:

KaZeR: 2.6.17.13 and 0.7.3 is what I've been using for some time now

[16:22:56]

Led-Hed:

anyone here using Ubuntu for their frontend? I've almost finished installing myth on Ubuntu Edgy, but have a few bugs left to work out.

[16:22:56]

gardengnome:

no, say it's a "GenuineIntel" cpu with 2 terabytes

[16:23:03]

juski:

a rumour on slashdot said somebody knew somebody who knows someone who ran a program on it

[16:23:20]

Dagmar:

It has 120giggabytes of memories!

[16:23:53]

Led-Hed:

I cant figure out how to get mythfrontend to shutdown the PC. In Fedora I just used 'halt -p' but that doesnt work in Ubunut

[16:23:53]

Dagmar:

One of the sneaky reasons I read gaiaonline is to learn how to talk like a computer moron

[16:24:00]

juski:

and its optical drive allowed a linux cd to be loaded into it

[16:24:06]

Dagmar:

Led-Hed: killall -9 mythfrontend

[16:24:16]

Dagmar:

Oh wait

[16:24:20]

juski:

Ubunut.. I like it

[16:24:25]

Milosch:

halt -p should work

[16:24:28]

Led-Hed:

Dagmar: I actually need to shutdown the PC, not the frontend

[16:24:29]

Dagmar:

Have it run `reboot` as root

[16:24:30]

Dagmar:

:)

[16:25:04]

Led-Hed:

Dagmar: how do I tell it to run as root? Sticky Bit?

[16:25:11]

quicksil1er:

sudo halt -p

[16:25:14]

Dagmar:

Led-Hed: Jesus no. You have PAM on there, do you not?

[16:25:20]

quicksil1er:

and then give the myth user permissions to sudo

[16:25:23]

Led-Hed:

quicksil1er: wont that prompt for a password?

[16:25:31]

quicksil1er:

not if you give the myth user sudo permissions

[16:25:34]

Led-Hed:

Dagmar: I believe so

[16:25:38]

quicksil1er:

without-password type permissions

[16:25:57]

Led-Hed:

quicksil1er: cool. I'll look into sudo

[16:25:59]

Dagmar:

Led-Hed: If you have PAM and consolehelper on there you don't need to do anything sticky-bit wise. You can just fixor it so running shutdown calls consolehelper

[16:26:07]

quicksil1er:

Led-Hed: mand sudoers

[16:26:10]

quicksil1er:

man sudoers

[16:26:22]

quicksil1er:

dagmar's answer sounds cleverer to be honest

[16:26:30]

quicksil1er:

consolehelper is something I don't know about

[16:26:32]

** quicksil1er grins **

[16:26:46]

quicksil1er:

stuff..changes..too..fast? why isn't everything the way it used to be, 10 years ago?

[16:26:48]

Led-Hed:

quicksil1er: Well I dont know about either. =)

[16:27:05]

Led-Hed:

quicksil1er: thats the nature of the beast

[16:27:17]

Led-Hed:

Do you really want to set IRQ's manually?

[16:27:31]

Dagmar:

quicksiller; It's a little binary that sits in /usr/bin and you symlink at it from /usr/bin, like you make a symlink from /usr/bin/reboot to point at it. When a normal user-type person runs /usr/bin/reboot (the symlink) it checks...

[16:27:44]

Dagmar:

....to see that they're logged in at the console (something PAM keeps track of with pam

[16:28:00]

Dagmar:

er pam_console). If they are logged in at the console, it runs the command named from /sbin as root

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Dagmar:

Pretty simple.

[16:28:20]

Dagmar:

...and VERY handy.

[16:29:16]

Dagmar:

I don't much care for this notebook keyboard this morning. It's making me type like a noob.

[16:30:40]

quicksil1er:

Dagmar: sounds eminently sensible

[16:30:41]

Led-Hed:

alsoconfused: you around?

[16:32:00]

quicksil1er:

Dagmar: hmm in debian it appears to be provided by a package called 'usermode'

[16:32:21]

quicksil1er:

or that could be something different

[16:32:27]

quicksil1er:

I have a feeling it's a RH-ism?

[16:32:54]

fryfrog:

what is wrong with setting up sudo to allow that *one* command to be run by the user mythtv w/o a password?

[16:33:01]

quicksil1er:

fryfrog: nothing at all

[16:33:04]

gardengnome:

fryfrog: it'd be too easy

[16:33:12]

fryfrog:

oic!

[16:33:14]

quicksil1er:

fryfrog: but consolehelper is simpler than that, if what dagmar says is true

[16:33:23]

quicksil1er:

nothing wrong with the sudo solution though

[16:37:42]

Dagmar:

Too much TV.

[16:37:47]

Dagmar:

quicksilver: It's not actually a RH-ism

[16:37:50]

Dagmar:

one sec

[16:38:14]

Dagmar:

usermode is where it comes from

[16:38:36]

Dagmar:

Consolehelper is stupid-simple, which is why I like it.

[16:38:46]

Dagmar:

There's not much that can break

[16:38:54]

Dagmar:

...and there's no weird syntax to learn.

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fryfrog:

when you say "logged in via console" you mean, logged in locally on the box, right?

[16:39:56]

Dagmar:

fryfrog: Yes.

[16:40:01]

fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

osunds neat

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KaZeR:

Dagmar, you said earlier "KaZeR: Most likely you left out i2c support or momre likely you've disabled firmware loading."

[16:42:45]

KaZeR:

CONFIG_I2C=m

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KaZeR:

CONFIG_I2C_CHARDEV=m

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KaZeR:

CONFIG_I2C_ALGOBIT=m

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KaZeR:

is that enough ?

[16:43:16]

Dagmar:

Probably, or you'd have had a fun time trying to get menuconfig to fess up to even HAVING certain other modules like tveeprom

[16:43:39]

Dagmar:

Firmware loading problems are almost ruled out by the fact tht *one* of your firmware files is loading and the other isn't.

[16:43:53]

Dagmar:

I'd take a close look to be sure that firmware that isn't loading is the right noe.

[16:44:37]

Dagmar:

KaZeR: And the URL I posted a moment ago has the -enc.fw file I use so I know it should be able to load

[16:44:47]

Dagmar:

back in a few.

[16:46:05]

KaZeR:

Dagmar, thanks, i downloaded your firmware, i'm going to give it a try

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tha_toadman:

ryushin, you still around?

[17:14:29]

CanadianMan_:

hey Dagmar hows that theme you were working on going?

[17:21:19]

jasoncohen01:

According to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_HDTV, there is no way to set an HDTV recording profile to losslessly transcode HD MPEG-2 streams by removing commercials

[17:21:42]

jasoncohen01:

Has this changed in 0.20?

[17:25:25]

** juski refrains from commenting about MythTrek ;) **

[17:26:36]

tha_toadman:

is "losslessly" a word :-P

[17:27:43]

gardengnome:

yes.

[17:28:05]

juski:

'lossless' mpeg2 transcoding means that the parts of the show around the cutpoint get copied. the cuts are re-encoded to make a nice smooth file & the lot gets joined up

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juski:

I would've thought myth code transcode hdtv mpeg2 using that profile

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hjohnson:

it's by definition a lossy algorithm.

[17:28:56]

** gardengnome waits for dagmar to say something about "lossless transcoding" **

[17:29:10]

juski:

no, 'lossless' transcode only re-encodes parts around the cutpoints

[17:29:19]

jasoncohen01:

I said a lossless transcode meaning you don't lose any quality in the transcoding process

[17:29:24]

juski:

the rest doesn't get touched

[17:29:33]

jasoncohen01:

Obviously, the MPEG-2 stream is already compressed

[17:29:39]

juski:

we all know mpeg is lossy. those of us with brains anyway

[17:29:59]

alsoconfused:

Led-Hed: you were looking for me?

[17:30:05]

gardengnome:

i wish mpeg would just lose the noise and keep the rest of the picture ;)

[17:30:10]

jasoncohen01:

anyways, is it possible to setup a lossless HDTV profile in mythtv 0.20?

[17:30:21]

juski:

you *can* just chop random bits out of mpeg, but YMMV ;)

[17:30:28]

quicksil1er:

jasoncohen01: HDTV comes in mpeg form

[17:30:30]

juski:

jasoncohen01: dunno. try it

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quicksil1er:

jasoncohen01: so it has already been possed

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quicksil1er:

lossed

[17:30:43]

juski:

lossed? lost

[17:30:46]

quicksil1er:

:)

[17:30:48]

quicksil1er:

indeed

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Led-Hed:

alsoconfused: just wanted to say thanks. Most of my problems were related to the nvidia driver, 7184 worked great once I got GLX exabled

[17:31:14]

jasoncohen01:

quicksil1er: I know...what's your point?

[17:31:14]

quicksil1er:

jasoncohen01: sorry, I should have read higher before answering :(

[17:31:20]

jasoncohen01:

ok

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alsoconfused:

Led-Hed: cool. too bad the newer drivers don't work. i was hoping to play around with the composite stuff, but smooth tv is more important :)

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Led-Hed:

alsoconfused: agreed.

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Led-Hed:

alsoconfused: The playback is so much better with XvMc that I'm planning on moving all my frontends back to the 7184 driver.

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alsoconfused:

Led-Hed: i don't notice a big playback improvement with xvmc, but it seems to handle program switches better than ffmpeg and libmpeg2.

[17:40:56]

GreyFoxx:

Actually usually it does

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Led-Hed:

I guess when I go HD that I should try one of the GF 7xxx series cards.

[17:41:15]

GreyFoxx:

libmpeg2 uses less cpu when decoding hdtv, and the standard librarie uses less on SDTV

[17:41:28]

alsoconfused:

really? compared to xvmc?

[17:42:13]

GreyFoxx:

No, but he said better, not in comparison to xvmc

[17:42:41]

alsoconfused:

i think he meant "better than xvmc"

[17:43:14]

GreyFoxx:

That's where better needs to be defined. You were just talking about crashyness, not cpu load too.

[17:43:17]

Led-Hed:

I was

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H00chster:

sorry for joining this convo late, but just curious, so you guys are saying that the older and from the sounds of it REALLY older NVIDIA drivers are doing better for LiveTV than the current ones.?

[17:43:38]

GreyFoxx:

I can't imagine libmpeg2 using less cpu than xvmc since sonme of it's in the chipset

[17:43:55]

GreyFoxx:

H00chster: In their personal experience when using xvmc

[17:43:56]

Led-Hed:

H00chster: yes, for me anyway

[17:44:26]

H00chster:

understand, I donn't have to use XvMC, but do notice stutters on occasion and the prebuffering pauses, so was just curious

[17:44:50]

Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx: actually the 7184 drivers look better with respect ti XvMc, Standard, and LibMPEG2

[17:45:01]

Led-Hed:

to

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GreyFoxx:

I recently went from 7184 to 96xx and there was no visual quality difference. Though I am not using libmpeg2 or xvmc

[17:46:00]

GreyFoxx:

My biggest improvement was when I turned down flicker filtering

[17:46:16]

Led-Hed:

H00chster: give the 7184 drivers a shot, its easy to switch from driver to driver. just run nvidia-graphics-switch 7184

[17:46:18]

hjohnson:

hmm? afaik, xvmc just uses the video cards to accelerate iDCTs

[17:46:25]

alsoconfused:

H00chster: led-hed and i are both using gf4-mx440's

[17:46:26]

H00chster:

well all that stuff with the deinterlacing etc is all still stuff I am trying to learn, but got myth itself running pretty stable. but would like livetv to work a little better, so might check into it

[17:46:37]

alsoconfused:

ymmv with other cards and other kernels

[17:46:59]

H00chster:

I am using 5750 and 5200's so might be different cuz I do know those cards def use a little bit diff chip in them

[17:47:18]

Led-Hed:

H00chster: what distro?

[17:47:22]

H00chster:

Debian

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Led-Hed:

there is a nvidia-glx-legacy package for the 7184 drivers

[17:47:58]

H00chster:

will check into it just to see

[17:47:59]

H00chster:

thanks

[17:48:18]

Led-Hed:

but I'm not sure the nvidia-graphics-switch utility comes with the debian packages

[17:48:37]

H00chster:

ya not worried bout that, i can easily change it

[17:49:15]

Led-Hed:

H00chster: make sure to add this to your xorg.conf so that you can enable GLX

[17:49:16]

Led-Hed:

Section "Extensions"

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Led-Hed:

Option "Composite" "Disable"

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Led-Hed:

EndSection

[17:49:36]

H00chster:

hmm

[17:49:39]

H00chster:

ok

[17:49:45]

alsoconfused:

H00chster: yeah, you definitely need that

[17:49:48]

Led-Hed:

took me at least 3 hours to find that setting

[17:50:05]

H00chster:

no clue what all I need in my xorg.conf just used diff examples and such that I have found etc heh

[17:50:11]

H00chster:

will see what that does for me

[17:50:14]

H00chster:

thanks

[17:50:30]

Led-Hed:

That settings allows for GLX to be enabled.

[17:50:55]

H00chster:

Interesting heh mighta been why I never could get opengl sync to work heh

[17:50:55]

Led-Hed:

on the 7184 driver GLX is disabled by default because Compositing is On

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H00chster:

any other options that I should or shouldn't have enabled that you can think of in xorg.conf

[17:55:52]

alsoconfused:

H00chster: for testing, i wouldn't load any modules other than glx,dbe, and extmod.

[17:56:26]

H00chster:

exactly what I was talking bout heh, just didn't know if I needed all the other stuff

[17:56:29]

H00chster:

especially dri

[18:00:14]

Dagmar:

Well, if you like menu buttons you kinda should also maybe be loading the 'freetype' module.

[18:00:26]

Dagmar:

Oh, and 'v4l' is also kinda important.

[18:00:37]

H00chster:

k

[18:01:38]

H00chster:

didn't have v4l in there at all before heh, so guessing I should lol

[18:02:38]

Dagmar:

heh

[18:02:53]

Dagmar:

I mean, I'm not 100% sure about it, but it seems to me that wanting video stuff to work properly would require that one.

[18:02:56]

H00chster:

it is the simple things in life lmao

[18:03:19]

H00chster:

heh ya would think so but like I said I know nuttin bout the xorg.conf and deinterlacing etc stuff heh never have grasped all that well lol

[18:03:24]

H00chster:

so truly appreciate the tips heh

[18:04:16]

Dagmar:

If you're using s-video output and an nVidia video card you don't actually have to sweat deinterlacing

[18:04:48]

H00chster:

using VGA on my main, but my 2 remotes use svid, so good to know

[18:08:12]

alsoconfused:

Dagmar: what does v4l_drv do?

[18:10:11]

fysa:

Has anyone worked on getting a HDD in the frontend to shutdown when not needed?

[18:10:24]

fysa:

I suppose this might require holding a /tmp in RAM?

[18:10:49]

Dagmar:

alsacon: I've always assumed it was needed for video apps to get the window of memory they needed to scribble into

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alsoconfused:

Dagmar: i figured it was for cards that had capture. things seem to run fine without it.

[18:12:16]

Dagmar:

Now, what I'd like to know is why the centered attribute on button text results in Qt::AlignVCenter | Qt::AlignHCenter | Qt::WordBreak; but having it *off* turns into Qt::AlignTop | Qt::AlignHCenter | Qt::WordBreak;

[18:12:45]

Dagmar:

That seems wrong somehow.

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Dagmar:

I would have thought it would work the other way around

[18:16:16]

alsoconfused:

Dagmar: you say turning off the centered attr changes AlignVCenter to AlignTop. that makes sense, but intuitively, i'd expect it to do the same for AlignHCenter.

[18:17:12]

Dagmar:

alsoconfused: The entire thing literally seems to be as if the text were being drawn at a 90-degree angle to what it is

[18:17:33]

Dagmar:

AlignTop is definitely supposed to be a vertical alightment flag

[18:18:07]

Dagmar:

I'm going to "sanify" it and see what happens

[18:18:31]

Dagmar:

Probably, I will get flaming phoshor in my eyes, but life is full of risks

[18:20:19]

alsoconfused:

remember, there's no more important rule (when fscking with Qt) than wearing your safety goggles.

[18:21:57]

** juski makes a note of that **

[18:22:30]

Led-Hed:

any Ubuntu users here? I have 1 last bug to fix. I cant seem to get fstab to mount my video Share on my backend.

[18:22:41]

juski:

might have a go at making the menu button move smoothly soon :)

[18:23:16]

alsoconfused:

Led-Hed: show us the fstab entry

[18:23:44]

juski:

Led-Hed: don't forget portmap :)

[18:23:49]

shodan:

is mythweb supposed to work with mysql-5.0.32 and php-5.1.6 ?

[18:24:04]

juski:

shodan: not on your machine no

[18:24:07]

Led-Hed:

thats from memory, I'm at work

[18:24:07]

H00chster:

shodan think it has a prob with that ver of php

[18:24:09]

Dagmar:

This bit is just weird -> if (gContext->GetLanguage() == "ja")

[18:24:54]

H00chster:

nm I am running 5.1.6 heh

[18:25:00]

alsoconfused:

Led-Hed: is the problem that you can't mount it manually, or that it doesn't mount at boottime?

[18:25:27]

Led-Hed:

alsoconfused: I can mount it manually. Just not from fstab

[18:25:43]

shodan:

k, so php-5*, what about mysql 5&+ ?

[18:25:53]

juski:

priorities/pr-selectbar.png

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juski:

oops

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Led-Hed:

I guess I could just mount it from my Myth-Startup script.

[18:26:30]

H00chster:

think it was PHP 5.2.0 that I had issues with

[18:27:02]

Dagmar:

Man I hate it when I'm looking at code that is pretty straightforward, and something very bizarre has been done with it.

[18:27:22]

Dagmar:

Why the hell is that one line in German??

[18:27:35]

H00chster:

I am using PHP 5.1.6–1 and MySQL 5.0.26–3 fwiw although guide listing is extremely slow but I hear that is normal heh

[18:29:42]

shodan:

H00chster, k thanks, that rules that out at least !

[18:31:18]

** Dagmar makes the sign of the Cross and invokes the package builder. **

[18:31:47]

shodan:

YAY mythweb works :) abiguous allowoveride instructions

[18:34:32]

shodan:

H00chster, are older versions of mysql/php supposed to be faster ?

[18:35:04]

H00chster:

shodan: no clue on that, wouldn't think so. I think it is optimization that they are working on. works plenty fast except when you do a full guide listing

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Paladine:

interesting little article I just wrote there about Vista if anyone is interestee

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Paladine:

interested too

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ShiftyPowers:

can anyone who has some experience with TwinView help me out if they can

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ShiftyPowers:

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=348465

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ShiftyPowers:

that's my issue in summary

[18:37:09]

shodan:

H00chster, k, slow here too, over 30 seconds before the listings show up

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H00chster:

ya shodan, I think it is something in progress, but have no complaints, I usually don't bring the whole listing up cuz of it, just do searches instead

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Led-Hed:

Paladine: Your 2nd point isnt relavant

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Paladine:

are you based in the US?

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Led-Hed:

Paladine: yes

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Paladine:

in the UK, the very term itself would fall foul of UK contract law

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Led-Hed:

but holds true anywhere

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Paladine:

no it doesn't

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Paladine:

so please stop trying to imply your laws cover the world

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Paladine:

they do not

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Led-Hed:

Paladine: I'm not saying our laws imply across the world, I'm saying that access to your "Intellectual Property" if contained in someone elses building for example doesnt grant you right to go get it.

[18:46:01]

Paladine:

I spend vast amounts of time dealing with consumer rights

[18:46:05]

Paladine:

I know the legislation very well

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Led-Hed:

never mind, I dont deel like arguing with you. Have fun

[18:47:16]

Led-Hed:

I wasnt at any point questioning your laws

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Led-Hed:

nor was I saying that US laws govern the world.

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Paladine:

it is impossible -not- to make a point that doesn't question our laws, since the entire article is based on our laws

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Paladine:

double negative there but you know what I mean

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Led-Hed:

I was saying that I dont feel that the disclaimer didnt seem unreasonable. (to me) but my opinion means nothing.

[18:48:49]

Paladine:

the very fact that the entire article is based on a legal analysis, any point you make is directly questioning our laws

[18:48:54]

Paladine:

which you have not even bothered to read

[18:49:53]

Paladine:

the UK has very very strong consumer laws

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Paladine:

if the US had the same or similar consumer rights laws, most of your big businesses would be in severe trouble with the authorities

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tha_toadman:

*uhh ohh* :-/

[18:53:02]

Paladine:

we discuss many things in this channel, the people here are my friends, I posted the link for the benefit of my friends who may have been interested

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** Led-Hed bows beneath Paladine's mighty intellect **

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gardengnome:

err

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Paladine:

as for arrogant, no, just more educated :)

[18:54:23]

gardengnome:

this is completely off-topic here. please move to a private room

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Led-Hed:

Paladine: thanks for proving my point

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Led-Hed:

and Educaton doesnt give you the right to be an ass

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Paladine:

arrogance would fallon your part for assuming your laws are global, instead of bothering to read the laws actually discussed in the article

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kormoc:

Paladine, Led-Hed, enough is enough, and this is enough.

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Paladine:

np kormoc

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tha_toadman:

i'll change the topic :-P someone recommended that i use the 'snapstream firefly' with my frontend, is it compatible primarily with fedora? (some rpm perhaps..)

[18:56:03]

kormoc:

No point in causing an international war over it :P

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Led-Hed:

Paladine: I have stated several times that I dont think my laws were global. And I wasnt speaking of laws, You were

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** kormoc glares in Led-Hed's direction **

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tha_toadman:

*deep breaths people...DEEP...*

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gardengnome:

how can you not speak of laws when you've stated that your laws are not global?

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** gardengnome trolls **

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fysa:

Any minimyth users here?

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Led-Hed:

kormoc: sorry

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** kormoc prods gardengnome with a fork **

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** gardengnome runs away and hides behind a gardengnome with a lantern **

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Led-Hed:

gardengnome: I wasnt speaking of laws, he put words in my mouth

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Led-Hed:

and he made the assumption that I felt my laws were global

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fryfrog:

damn, it is *deleting* via the web interface that sends my server's load up from like .5 to 95

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fryfrog:

anyone good at dstat?

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fryfrog:

http://pastebin.ca/332107

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Led-Hed:

fryfrog: is this a front & backend?

[19:02:52]

fryfrog:

what is "system int / csw"

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fryfrog:

Led-Hed: 98% of the time, no

[19:03:06]

Led-Hed:

humm

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fryfrog:

just a backend

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Led-Hed:

what does top say

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Led-Hed:

when you delete

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moh:

fryfrog: system time, interrupts and context switches

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moh:

presumably.

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fryfrog:

i'm seeing backend using 100%

[19:04:23]

fryfrog:

19648 root 15 -10 421m 158m 10m R 89.4 15.7 34:12.09 mythbackend

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fryfrog:

well, nearly 100%

[19:04:47]

qfour20:

I'm having some trouble with firewire. It was working for about 3 days, and now I can't get it to do squat. I try to set the channel to 63, and it doesn't show a change in plugreport: http://pastebin.ca/332109

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qfour20:

anybody have an idea what it might be?

[19:05:53]

fryfrog:

qfour20: by set the channel to 63, do you mean tune to *channel* 63 on the dcable box?

[19:06:07]

qfour20:

no, set the channel on the firewire

[19:06:07]

fryfrog:

or actually *set* the firewire port to channel 63?

[19:06:16]

qfour20:

firewire port

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qfour20:

once i had it set up to pull mpeg2 over the firewire, the channel change program worked for me (after adding a model id to the code and recompiling)

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fryfrog:

ah

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qfour20:

i already tried the "unplug the cable box, reboot the myth box"

[19:11:44]

qfour20:

sadly, it was working like a champ for 3 days

[19:11:47]

qfour20:

then, nothing

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fryfrog:

do you use p2p or broadcast mode?

[19:13:29]

fryfrog:

and is your stb a dct6412?

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qfour20:

p2p didn't work very well, I was using broadcast. the stb is a dct6412

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fryfrog:

same thing i got :)

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fryfrog:

and i found broadcast not to work very well either

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qfour20:

btw, the dct6412 is the WORST dvr i've ever used

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fryfrog:

do you have the firewire_tester.c program?

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qfour20:

yes, i have it

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fryfrog:

the interface is fracking awful

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fryfrog:

i use that, to good effect

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qfour20:

when i set it up last time, it wouldn't connect using p2p with firewire_tester, but it worked with broadcast

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qfour20:

i'm wondering if twc sent down a firmware update that changed something

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qfour20:

wow... i was just toying with it and executed the 6200ch program, then tried firewire_tester -b -n 2 -r 5 and it worked

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qfour20:

>:-|

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fryfrog:

qfour20: you know the -B option?

[19:21:17]

qfour20:

yeah, it says that it's stable now

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qfour20:

wtf

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fryfrog:

I wrote a hardcore script to change channels on my DCT6412

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qfour20:

would you mind if i were to see this hardcore-ness?

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fryfrog:

not at all, i posted it in the wiki

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fryfrog:

search the wiki for umm, "primer" while i send you the link to my script :)

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qfour20:

found it

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qfour20:

"one tuner priming script"?

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qfour20:

ahhhh

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qfour20:

fryfrog's two tuner script

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qfour20:

awesome

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fryfrog:

http://fryfrog.com/files/sure-change.zip

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fryfrog:

it says 1.0.3 is the latest, lemme see if i have made any changes to what i'm using

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fryfrog:

nope, no changes

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qfour20:

i was thinking about writing my own little daemon that goes on any firewire capture backend to constantly check for zero byte recording and report on the problems....

[19:26:10]

qfour20:

of course, learning to write code that's useable to the community would be a GOOD place to start...

[19:26:12]

fryfrog:

i have a nagios scrip that does that

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fryfrog:

sneds a warning if it finds any 0 bye files...

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fryfrog:

the rpoblem is, someones it doesn't actually *make* a file

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fryfrog:

or a 0 bye file :/

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qfour20:

weird

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qfour20:

in my case, i saw a bunch of zero byte files

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fryfrog:

yeah, *most* of the tie i see 0 byte files

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fryfrog:

but in the last couple days (and i also updated my svn version recently)

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fryfrog:

i've seen a number of shows listed with "B" as their size in mythweb and *no* zero bye files in the file system :(

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shodan:

is there a mythweb-based or other channel editor (is there any other way to edit channels other than mythtv-setup -> channel editor ?)

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fryfrog:

yeah, mythweb has that ability

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fryfrog:

or you could use phpmyadmin (i find that easiest)

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shodan:

do I need to kill the mythbackend while I edit channels ? because when I start mythtv-setup while the backend is running it says editing channel might not work ?

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stuarta:

evening all

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fryfrog:

shodan: if you edit the db directly, you just need to change channels up and then down again

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fryfrog:

or down and then up again, what ever

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shodan:

k, same thing if I use mythweb ?

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fryfrog:

probably, but i don't know from experience

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fryfrog:

and i'm not sure what *aspects* of channel shit you can change from mythweb

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fryfrog:

humm, it seems like it might be the "delete + rerecord" that actually sends the load sky rocketing

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_Jaak_:

I'm running a frontend on ubu 6.10 + beryl, now if i start mythfrontend the gnome panels keep showing on top of myth, how can i fix that? Might there be a way to run a command uppon startup and shutdown?

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fryfrog:

turn off beryl

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fryfrog:

i don't think bery/xgl/etc are very happy with myth, afaik?

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_Jaak_:

Yes i agree

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_Jaak_:

I think the best sollution is to make mythfrontend to run "metacity --replace" on startup and "beryl --replace" on stopping it.... That solves the problem.... But i dont know where to put that code in mythfrontend

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fryfrog:

why bother?

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_Jaak_:

or if i can

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fryfrog:

writhe a siple script

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fryfrog:

start_mythfrontend.sh

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fryfrog:

"metacity --replace; mythfrontedn; beryl --replace"

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fryfrog:

easy peasy

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_Jaak_:

whooot

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fryfrog:

i mean, you could go a bit farther and stick it all in a loop

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_Jaak_:

thanks!

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fryfrog:

and you'll of course need the normal bash thing at the top

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fryfrog:

# !/bin/bash

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fryfrog:

or bin/sh

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cmug:

Anyone running winmyth or some other frontend on Windows? Any suggestions?

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_Jaak_:

yep

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qfour20:

thanks again for the help, fryfrog

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_Jaak_:

thanks

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artus:

Hi all

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fryfrog:

np

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artus:

I have a problem with commercial skipping

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artus:

I hope somebody can help

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artus:

when I mark the recording for commercial skipping I get transcoding error 247

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artus:

any I+idea?

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artus:

Idea

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juski:

evening all

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juski:

http://www.juski.co.uk/comingsoon2.png – neon-wide is taking shape :)

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stuarta:

hola juski

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juski:

not a bad day for a monday today. was 5 mins late for work though.. forgot my bloody keyfob thingy

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juski:

yours any good stuarta? good weekend?

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juski:

no photocopying of arses I hope ;)

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stuarta:

wasn't in the office :)

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juski:

see top gear last night? they had hamster's crash footage

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stuarta:

watched it *and* recorded it!

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juski:

myth didn't record it.. some show caused a conflict. rectified that by giving top gear a priority of 99 :)

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stuarta:

isn't the repeat tonight

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juski:

wednesday

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shodan:

I have a problem, sometime the mythbackend dies and I have to run "/etc/init.d/mythbackend restart" by hand (I'm using gentoo) , is there a way I can get the backend to respawn ?

[20:13:08]

juski:

stop the backend dying :)

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stuarta:

well DUH!!!

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shodan:

it chokes on bad DVB tuning apparently, I can't do nothing about it but poke the linuxtv devs

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psofa:

shodan, in the ebuild text theres info on how to do that via *cron

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stuarta:

write a script which checks if it's running and restarts it if not

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psofa:

or

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psofa:

#!/bin/bash

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psofa:

while 1;do mythbackend

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psofa:

;done

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psofa:

i think this would work

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shodan:

psofa, yeah I use that for synergy & x11vnc , guess it would do..

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psofa:

note the *i think* part :P

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stuarta:

no rocket science required :)

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juski:

sudo cp /media/themework/pr-selectbar.png priorities/

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slowone:

command not found

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juski:

Ewrongwindow more like

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quicksil1er:

shodan: if you're using the init.d method

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quicksil1er:

shodan: then you could just set a cron job to call /etc/init.d/mythbackend start once a minute

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quicksil1er:

calling 'start' should do nothing if it's already running

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quicksil1er:

(unless it's a broken init script)

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shodan:

quicksil1er, the problem is that if mythbackend crashes, calling start does not restart it

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quicksil1er:

shodan: oh, interesting

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juski:

so do away with the init script and put a call to a new script in rc.local

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juski:

how bad does a dvb signal have to be to crash the backend anyway? never seen the likes of that here

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quicksil1er:

I've seen it occasionally

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shodan:

I'll "sudo -u mythtv /usr/bin/mythbackend --verbose none --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log" from a inittab launched bash script , I think that'll be the best

[20:28:27]

juski:

ah maybe the EIT crawler is getting majorly confuzzled. maybe deleting the channels that aren't channels would help ;)

[20:28:47]

stuarta:

or disable eit on those channels

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juski:

unless they really *are* channels you want of course

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juski:

out of interest is it dvb-s ?

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shodan:

juski, yeah I'll uncheck visible for those channels in the mythweb channel editor

[20:29:17]

shodan:

juski, yes

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slowone:

is eit data incoded in the channel itself? or is it a seperate stream?

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stuarta:

shodan: uncheck useeit as well

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stuarta:

encoded in the channel stream...

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juski:

been noticing some minor corruptions on QAM64 muxes lately. might have to see to my aerial

[20:30:24]

stuarta:

probably the latter

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slowone:

hmm maybe i can figure out what my non-exsistant channels are...

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shodan:

dvb-s btw

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slowone:

i get a few channels that my cable provider claims they dont have/carry

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juski:

mmyyers

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shodan:

I wonder if Videotron in Canada uses DVB-C for it's digital cable services that could be interesting to play with :)

[20:32:30]

juski:

well I'm disappointed. I keep bollocking people for hinting at naughty things on the forums & I've still not had to ban anyone for it yet

[20:33:17]

juski:

oh did I say disappointed? I meant glad they're towing the line

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juski:

;)

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juski:

24127 root 16 0 587m 48m 10m S 3.0 9.6 32:16.93 mythbackend

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juski:

that's disgusting – I'm recording 3 shows

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shodan:

are you trying to trick users into helping other users do things that might be illegal in some other country then banning them for it ?

[20:34:23]

juski:

nope

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gardengnome:

yes

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juski:

we don't allow any illegal talk

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stuarta:

juski: yeah, but it should drop down once the recordings stop

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juski:

stuarta: aha!

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juski:

I need all my cpu for the idle daemon

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juski:

damnit my channel zapper script is still making zombies :(

[20:37:37]

juski:

bah I can fix that at the weekend

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juski:

ooo dear. this dvb radio recording is a tad poorly

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juski:

sounds like fast forwarding a CD player

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** stuarta must get around to that export script... **

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juski:

oh it's D&B :)

[20:43:35]

juski:

ah no

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juski:

it's fucked

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juski:

music might sound like that in 30 years or so though

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juski:

huh? my export script is broken for this radio recording yet ffmpeg is liking it

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stuarta:

huh indeed

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juski:

not so much broken as it's reported as being completed when it isn't

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juski:

maybe it's something to do with the programme details

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juski:

Annie Mac's Mashup

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stuarta:

might go and export carl cox from the other night...

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juski:

big's brother was on the essential mixy?

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juski:

damn

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juski:

that reminds me actually

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juski:

set yer vid for Bill Bailey on Radio 4 this saturday morning – he's in search of bass

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juski:

Bill Bailey explores the phenomena of low frequency noise, and goes in search of apparently mysterious 'hums' that have been heard from Tokyo to Toronto, and Beijing to Bristol.

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juski:

10.30am radio 4 saturday coming

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stuarta:

hmmm. doesn't grab me...

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juski:

nope, this recording is broken

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juski:

bbc radio is on the same mux as ITV1 innit

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stuarta:

erm don't think so....

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** stuarta checks **

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stuarta:

which bbc radio???

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juski:

stuarta: radio one

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mchou:

damn, who is gonna buy vista after reading that patenet application?

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gbee:

being lazy I know, but what's support for the Nova-T 500 like?

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mchou:

pay more for crippleware!

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juski:

gbee: it's ok with very very new kernels IIRC, or using modules from mercurial

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SlicerDicer-:

anybody done svn mythweb with gentoo?

[20:54:47]

SlicerDicer-:

I am trying to figure out where to put the .conf file for mythweb

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juski:

mchou: who's gonna pay for vista anyway?

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SlicerDicer-:

the magical "database setup error" is back :)

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gbee:

just found that since I last looked the prices have dropped massively, can now get a dual tuner card like the 500 for less than the single tuner Nova-T cost a few months ago

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juski:

gbee: how much is it now?

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juski:

I might snag one meself if they're cheap enough

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gbee:

£56

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mchou:

juski: it comes with every new computer (as a hidden cost)

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juski:

taking into account I'll need an aerial amp

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juski:

gbee: fifty six squids?! lumme!!

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gbee:

well £57 and that doesn't include postage, but I've not shopped around either – that's the first place I looked at (Ebuyer)

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squish102:

if in mythweb, i mark a channel as invisible, will the custom search still pic it up to record?

[20:56:30]

juski:

cheap at the price... plus there's all the nights of fun to be had getting it worky :)

[20:56:39]

gbee:

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/113946

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stuarta:

juski: bbc r1 is mux 3 and itv1 is mux 2

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juski:

I need to check

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juski:

my cable might just be foobar

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stuarta:

i'd be tempted by the newer pci-e dual cards

[20:58:13]

gbee:

yeah at that price I'm definately going to pick up at least one, probably more

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stuarta:

of course i'd have to get a new machine to put it in :)

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gbee:

stuarta: ok if the backend has a PCI-E slot ;)

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stuarta:

that's my current problem....

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gbee:

my backends were built on the cheap

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juski:

everything of mine was built on the cheap

[21:00:17]

mchou:

backends are never cheap

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juski:

get out of town

[21:00:35]

mchou:

you might think they are, but they arent

[21:00:37]

janneg:

gbee: the nova-t 500 has a nasty bug. it disconnects randomly from its integrated usb hcd

[21:00:38]

gbee:

and as long as they work I'm not inclined to spend money on them in the same way I do on my normal machines

[21:00:44]

juski:

my backend was lying around doing nothing

[21:01:05]

juski:

I see your meaning though.. they do cost money at some point ;)

[21:01:12]

mchou:

juski: you could have sold the machine and gotten some $$

[21:01:30]

hjohnson:

my back end is rather amusing, in many respects..

[21:01:33]

juski:

if I'd have done that I'd still be missing my favourite shows

[21:01:44]

mchou:

juski: otherwise known as opportunity cost

[21:01:57]

juski:

stuarta: ahhh it's the same mux as channel five.. which is why I'd not noticed it yet

[21:02:06]

janneg:

stuarta: afaik no PCIe card yet are supported by linuxtv but there is driver development for the micronas ngene bridge

[21:02:30]

stuarta:

janneg: that would be half the fun :-/

[21:02:36]

** hjohnson lusts after the PCIe 3ware SATA RAID cards **

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juski:

well I think I'm gonna have to wait to fix this thing

[21:02:52]

stuarta:

mmmm raid cards....

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hjohnson:

right now i'm just running software RAID-5

[21:03:41]

juski:

ah my coax plugs seem quite loose

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juski:

gonna have to splash out & get some new ones

[21:04:18]

juski:

or do the right thing & replace them with 'f' connectors (messy)

[21:04:27]

tha_toadman:

i saw at dell today (under SMB section) that you can get a poweredge sc440 for ~399 with a base config – seems like a decent backend

[21:04:40]

juski:

UHF coax connectors are shite.. Belling Lee :(

[21:04:54]

hjohnson:

repeat after me: "F is for flimsy"

[21:05:06]

gbee:

I'd consider my backend cheap, all told it cost less to build than an off the shelf PVR with similar capabilities

[21:05:13]

juski:

hjohnson: I thought they'd be better since they're screwed in

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SlicerDicer-:

has anybody updated to svn with mythweb? I am trying to figure out where to put the configuration file for mythweb.conf in apache... I dont know where to put it I have tried /etc/apache2/ but that does nothing I am getting the 'database setup error'

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gbee:

janneg: thanks for the warning

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SlicerDicer-:

this is for gentoo btw

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juski:

neglecting the expo expenses I've notched up, mythtv has barely cost me anything

[21:06:02]

juski:

apart from time I mean

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hjohnson:

juski: they're better, but still suck.

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juski:

connectors suck!

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juski:

BNCs are awful

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juski:

scart was invented by the devil

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juski:

the less said about phono & minijack the better

[21:07:26]

juski:

13A mains plugs really hurt when you stand on them

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juski:

;)

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janneg:

gbee: you're welcome. let's hope that the issue can be resolved

[21:08:39]

juski:

janneg: what do you think is causing the issue with EIT then?

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gbee:

yeah, not sure now if I'd rather pick up an ordinary Nova-T instead or wait for the problem to be fixed

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juski:

dodgy PID filtering on the card?

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alsoconfused:

SlicerDicer-: if your main httpd.conf has contains like Include conf.d/*.conf, then you can just put the mythweb.conf in the conf.d directory. Otherwise, you can paste the contents of mythweb.conf at the end of your httpd.conf.

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SlicerDicer-:

ok alsoconfused

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alsoconfused:

SlicerDicer-: sry for the strange grammar

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stuarta:

!trout bbc_epg_monkeys radio doesn't show movies

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** MythLogBot slaps bbc_epg_monkeys with a radio doesn't show movies trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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SlicerDicer-:

no worries alsoconfused I understood it

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hjohnson:

juski: heh, I deal in N-Connectors all the time

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janneg:

juski: no, the dvb hardware and driver seems be innocent. the best current guess is power consumption. it uses 700mw but reports to be bus-powered

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juski:

janneg: ack

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juski:

anyhoos.. time to go catch up on some recordings.. BIAB

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SeeJay:

question.. whats the best thing to use for a Frount End? for mythtv hooking up to the tv

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SeeJay:

knoppmyth is what i was trying to use

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juski:

SeeJay: some kind of cable works better than string

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SeeJay:

what kind of software

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juski:

mythtv

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SeeJay:

:P

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gbee:

looking at the thread on the linux-dvb mailing list, it seems that at least one person has reduced the frequency of the problem by using 2.6.20, which suggests that there is some driver/kernel involvement

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stuarta:

"the problem" ??

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gbee:

USB disconnect issue with the Nova-T 500

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esperegu:

Saluton chiuj!

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stuarta:

oh right...

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esperegu:

I am having trouble getting my capturecard running

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esperegu:

I get a: DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 1

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esperegu:

but with tvTime I can use the card

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esperegu:

any suggestions?

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gbee:

the PCI Nova-T has it's own onboard USB controller (saves them money I guess to just create one USB version instead of a completely seperate PCI device)

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|Torg|:

anyone here use a harmony 880 with myth?

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gbee:

seems that for unknown reasons the USB device will be disconnected and this frequently leads to a kernel oops

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stuarta:

yeah, i've heard janne mention it a few times....

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gbee:

can't get over the stupidity of some ebay users – guarenteed to pay over the odds every time

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tyce:

anyone ever have trouble with mbmon tanking the CPU on their myth frontends?

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tyce:

load average: 20.31, 20.35, 20.25

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stuarta:

mbmon?

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tyce:

PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND

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tyce:

3777 root 39 0 1620 344 276 R 9.0 0.1 74:33.14 mbmon

[22:17:31]

tyce:

3429 root 33 0 1620 340 276 R 7.6 0.1 148:23.97 mbmon

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tyce:

4207 root 39 0 1620 344 276 R 7.6 0.1 36:18.55 mbmon

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tyce:

3515 root 39 0 1616 340 276 R 4.7 0.1 120:42.28 mbmon

[22:17:32]

tyce:

3684 root 39 0 1620 344 276 R 4.7 0.1 86:25.24 mbmon

[22:17:33]

tyce:

3944 root 39 0 1620 340 276 R 4.7 0.1 56:12.38 mbmon

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tyce:

4110 root 39 0 1620 340 276 R 4.7 0.1 42:12.32 mbmon

[22:17:38]

tyce:

4433 root 39 0 1620 340 276 R 4.7 0.1 30:57.77 mbmon

[22:17:40]

tyce:

4513 root 39 0 1620 344 276 R 4.7 0.1 26:02.32 mbmon

[22:17:42]

tyce:

4592 root 39 0 1620 344 276 R 4.7 0.1 21:29.06 mbmon

[22:17:44]

tyce:

4673 root 39 0 1620 344 276 R 4.7 0.1 17:15.83 mbmon

[22:17:46]

tyce:

4998 root 39 0 1620 344 276 R 4.7 0.1 2:51.65 mbmon

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stuarta:

USE A PASTEBIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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stuarta:

FFS!

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tyce:

3860 root 39 0 1616 340 276 R 4.3 0.1 64:40.01 mbmon

[22:17:54]

tyce:

4027 root 39 0 1620 344 276 R 4.3 0.1 48:47.74 mbmon

[22:17:58]

tyce:

4754 root 39 0 1616 340 276 R 4.3 0.1 13:18.71 mbmon

[22:18:00]

tyce:

4842 root 39 0 1616 340 276 R 4.3 0.1 9:37.36 mbmon

[22:18:02]

tyce:

4919 root 39 0 1620 344 276 R 4.3 0.1 6:08.63 mbmon

[22:18:03]

tyce:

can't figure that one out to save my life :(

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stuarta:

now we can't see anything for the flood

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gardengnome:

7exec -o cat /dev/urandom

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** stuarta redirects that to tyce's terminal **

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tyce:

sorry... didn't think I had copied that many

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Zider:

always use a pastebin if it's more than one line :P

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tyce:

ok, my appologies

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|Torg|:

two or three lines is ok, some of us can type that fast anyway

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tyce:

has anyone happened to have seem that before?

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gardengnome:

mbmon works fine of my boxes

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Zider:

I don't have any such process

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gardengnome:

haha. mbmon is giving me bogus readings

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Zider:

what does it do?

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|Torg|:

monitirs i2c chips

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Zider:

|Torg|: like cpu-temp?

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|Torg|:

like case/fan sped temps, yes

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tyce:

could it be going crazy like that if my cpu temp was too high?

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|Torg|:

nope

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mothas:

I've got 4 sata and 2 pata headers on my board, and enough drives to fill'em up. What would you folks recommend for a configuration?

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|Torg|:

BE, put in onne ~10G PATA drive for OS, put in 4 SATA drives and raid them together to store recordings

[22:32:05]

gardengnome:

what kind of raid?

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|Torg|:

me id use r5

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hads:

If it's just storage that you don't care about much then I'd use LVM on a bunch of disks.

[22:33:12]

mothas:

Why?

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gardengnome:

i wouldn't use any raid at all and use that archive_job.pl thingie to move my recordings. or wait for 0.21 with its storage groups.

[22:34:33]

hads:

Redundant RAID is good for uptime, but not so much for storage space.

[22:34:41]

mothas:

OK – neither I nor google know what archive_job.pl is.

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esperegu:

grrrr... haven't been able to watch any television with mythtv yet... :-(

[22:35:19]

hads:

I just use LVM and make backups as I don't require 5 nines uptime from my TV :)

[22:35:58]

mothas:

My basis for raid5 was that it's going to take me a lot of hours to input all my media into this thing, so it would be worth the cost of an extra disk not to do it twice.

[22:35:59]

hads:

We don't have HD yet though so I don't have much of a need for very high bandwidth disk access.

[22:36:28]

hads:

Backups are useful...

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mothas:

For recorded TV I agree, it's overkill. I was just wondering if you folks would recommend putting all 6 drives into raid, or keeping the two types separate.

[22:37:34]

juski:

I just wonder what's so bad about 'only' having 500GB for TV

[22:38:13]

hads:

I have ~300GB for recordings, it's enough for me at the moment.

[22:38:15]

gardengnome:

juski: that's only ~170h for me

[22:38:19]

mothas:

For SD, 500GB is roomy. For HD, it can fill up. Also depends on what you use the box for.

[22:38:36]

juski:

well, I don't have many DVDs

[22:38:45]

gardengnome:

mothas: sorry, i got the name of that .pl script wrong. it lives in contrib/.

[22:38:51]

juski:

don't see the point in owning something I might watch once

[22:39:00]

mothas:

- just TV or an all singing, all dancing archive of everything you own.

[22:39:20]

juski:

I own a lot of music. not much of it is worth listening to ;)

[22:39:23]

SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog: you around?

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hads:

My storage for everything but recordings is over the network.

[22:39:58]

mothas:

I've got little kids – they watch shows over and over and destroy disks. So – see me here trying out Myth.

[22:40:07]

juski:

heh

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juski:

I'd be tempted not to let kids watch stuff repeatedly on the basis that they'll become too accustomed to it & come to expect repetition in life. When I worked as a DJ I saw the problem with commercial radio playing the same damn 6 songs all day, folks coming into the bar would ask for the same 6 songs

[22:42:05]

purserj:

Try actually working for a commercial radio station

[22:42:19]

juski:

I did a work experience for 2 weeks

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gardengnome:

juski: did you let them get away?

[22:42:31]

juski:

put me off working in radio, so it was very valuable

[22:42:31]

purserj:

I did tech support for 4.5 years

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juski:

a pity for me since I have the right face for radio :-P

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fryfrog:

SlicerDicer-: am now

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SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog: what version of libiec are you using

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fryfrog:

lemme find out!

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juski:

gardengnome: I once played a Kylie Minogue track 6 times in a row to see who'd get sick first.

[22:45:59]

juski:

(I did)

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gardengnome:

poor juski

[22:46:32]

fryfrog:

uh, how do you see package info in ubuntu?

[22:46:37]

juski:

yeah well it's thanks to that part time job sucking that I'm doing stuff for mythtv in my own little way :)

[22:46:57]

SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog: nvm that answered my question

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SlicerDicer-:

:)

[22:47:06]

fryfrog:

libiec61883–0 1.0.0–0.2ubuntu1

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juski:

just a pity this one doesn't give me 200 quid cash every friday night

[22:47:15]

juski:

;)

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gardengnome:

fryfrog: apt-cache show/dpkg -l

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mothas:

I suppose that's right. But I don't want to give up my project – fun and has a high WAF to boot.

[22:47:30]

mothas:

In any case – if you don't have kids yet, you'll learn you have to pick your battles.

[22:47:53]

juski:

don't even make me think about that

[22:48:18]

juski:

I just pray they don't like Barney or whatever

[22:48:39]

SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog: I found the reason for the issues with firewire :)

[22:48:47]

SlicerDicer-:

that nullfies the need for scripts

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SlicerDicer-:

libiec 1.0.0 is hosed switch to 1.1.0 and there is no issues fryfrog :)

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juski:

anyway.. bedtime

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SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog: I am going to be updating the wiki

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juski:

g'night

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fryfrog:

SlicerDicer-: what is the reason?

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fryfrog:

or, was it what you were telling me?

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fryfrog:

ohhhhh

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fryfrog:

duh, i can't read :p

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SlicerDicer-:

haha

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fryfrog:

i wonder if there is an ubuntu package for 1.1?

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SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog: I dont think so

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SlicerDicer-:

I custom rolled 1.0.0 for edgy eft so I could have test-mpeg2

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SlicerDicer-:

so I dont think it exists

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SlicerDicer-:

maybe grab it from debian?

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fryfrog:

why would you custom do 1.0.0?

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fryfrog:

isn't 6.10 edgy?

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fryfrog:

and that *has* 1.0.0

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SlicerDicer-:

yeah but it does not contain test-mpeg2 or test-plugs

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SlicerDicer-:

so I rerolled the package with those compiled :)

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fryfrog:

ah

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SlicerDicer-:

thats how I know edgy does not have that

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fryfrog:

makes me wish for gentoo :/

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SlicerDicer-:

so...

[22:52:41]

SlicerDicer-:

yeah I am running gentoo

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fryfrog:

does gentoo have a 1.1.0 ebuild?

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SlicerDicer-:

yes

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fryfrog:

and wtf is libiec's website?

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SlicerDicer-:

its marked ~

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fryfrog:

ah

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SlicerDicer-:

not sure fryfrog

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SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog: checking debian.org

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Jenetik:

sup

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Jenetik:

?

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Jenetik:

Trying to use lyngsat but its screwy and I don't know what to put in for the symbol rate

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SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_pac . . . ;release=all

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SlicerDicer-:

? that help?

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fryfrog:

oh, do an "emerge -s libiec" and tell me the website

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SlicerDicer-:

linux1394.org

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fryfrog:

i wonder if fawn will have 1.1.0

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SlicerDicer-:

friggen hell man...

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SlicerDicer-:

gentoo and ubuntu use the same messed up version by default haha

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SlicerDicer-:

kinda sad that I switched distros hoping to hope

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SlicerDicer-:

I am back on gentoo though

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fryfrog:

yeah, but at least with gentoo you can easily get 1.1.0

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SlicerDicer-:

grab the debian package?

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fryfrog:

i usually run ~ on gentoo anyway

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SlicerDicer-:

I did that with ubuntu alot

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SlicerDicer-:

they work fine

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fryfrog:

really?

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SlicerDicer-:

sure

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fryfrog:

seems... dirty :p

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SlicerDicer-:

of course it is :)

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williammanda:

question about antennas....can i get an indoor unit for hdtv..if so what specifically should i look at?

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SlicerDicer-:

IIRC ubuntu comes from sid or whatever

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hads:

hads@snowman:~$ dpkg -l | grep libiec

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hads:

ii libiec61883–0 1.1.0–2ubuntu1 an partial implementation of IEC 61883

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fryfrog:

wait, wtf

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fryfrog:

http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/libi/libiec61883/

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fryfrog:

why is it there?

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hads:

Feisty

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SlicerDicer-:

is that what it is?

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hads:

Yup, it's on my system

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SlicerDicer-:

bleh

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Jenetik:

or one channel would be nice

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SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog: anyway I am going to be doing some updating on the wiki and what not to reflect the problem with 1.0.0

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fryfrog:

hads: do you know what stage feisty is at?

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fryfrog:

i think, beta or alpha right?

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hads:

fryfrog: Yeah, I don''t think they have a beta out, not sure. It's been stable for me.

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hads:

I track it on my main desktop and haven't had any major problems

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SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog: why not just grab the one package and be done with it :)

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Jenetik:

Anyone know what symbol rate is?

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hads:

SlicerDicer-: Depends if it has many deps or not

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SlicerDicer-:

doubtful

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hads:

But... Depends: libc6 (>= 2.5–0ubuntu1) – Edgy only has 2.4–1ubuntu12.2

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SlicerDicer-:

lame

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hads:

Understandable

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gardengnome:

you can rebuild it

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riddlebox:

can you take the rpm for ivtv-firmware from Fedora and apply that to Ubuntu? with alien or something?

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gardengnome:

if you can :)

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hads:

True

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gardengnome:

riddlebox: there's a .deb for ubuntu. it's prolly located at ivtvidriver.org

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riddlebox:

gardengnome, really I have never seen one, thats great fedora and I just dont get along that well

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gardengnome:

riddlebox: http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware# . . . the_Firmware

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riddlebox:

I am there right now

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gardengnome:

riddlebox: but i know there's a .deb. somewhere. check launchpad

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : have you had any more success with that rebuild of minimyth?

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: didn't have time.

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : ok

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rsdvd:

gardengnome ; do you know what actaully has to be done to get minimyth to work on a S100 – I am willing to do thw work if I only know what 'the work' is

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: get a svn checkout of gar-minimyth. build it, make sure IEGD gets included into the resulting file system and try to boot it via nfsroot.

[23:15:48]

gardengnome:

most of the stuff is already there.

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rsdvd:

I thought there were things within minimyth that needed changing? woudl I be able to build it on a differnt platform?

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: minimyth doesn't support booting from hard disks. you'll have to find a way around that, i'd recommend the netboot way for developers as it's described in the minimyth docs.

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: builds fine on ubuntu here.

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: IEGD 6.1 supposedly only works with xorg 7.0. there's a config option in minimyth.conf.mk that can be changed to accomodate that.

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: good luck, i can only work on it on weekends

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rsdvd:

I want to netboot from the DoM – I will give it a go tomorrow.

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gardengnome:

fyi: it takes around 6 hours to build on my c2d E6300

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rsdvd:

to add the IEGD is it just a metter of copying the *so to the right place as per the docs?

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GreyFoxx:

gardengnome: It comes with drivers for several xorg and XFree86 versions

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rsdvd:

my new database server is a dualcore 3800....but it can take as long as it likes

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: there's already a makefile for IEGD in gar-minimyth, you'll have to drop the iegd tar ball in the corresponding directory. just look around and you'll understand.

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gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: right, but minimyth uses xorg 7.2. IEGD only goes up to 7.0

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: feel free to ask me more stuff tomorrow (~14h)

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rsdvd:

ok – thanks! I will be logged in here all day so say hi when you can

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : do I need to build against the svn or with the tar for gar-minimyth be ok?

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Agrajag-:

Jenetik: is this dvb? use scan (from dvb-utils) to create a channels.conf

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Jenetik:

yes, dvb, I can't get it to scan

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Jenetik:

is there a link you recommend?

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psofa:

Jenetik, go to flysat to get some valid freqs

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psofa:

or kingofsat

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Agrajag-:

Jenetik: why can't you get it to scan?

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psofa:

or lyngsat

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Jenetik:

because it wants a list of transponders to scan

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Jenetik:

and I dont have a list

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Jenetik:

I dont see anmything on fkysat

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Jenetik:

those are all european

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Jenetik:

I need echostar

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Agrajag-:

not all, im in .au and mine is there

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Agrajag-:

hmm k no idea then

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Jenetik:

ok, non-US

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Jenetik:

you know if that have an echostar for that example list somewhere?

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Jenetik:

flysat doesnt even have US birds

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Jenetik:

I know lyngsat does

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Jenetik:

but its a clusterF

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SlicerDicer:

hey xris are you herE?

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xris:

here, yes, busy, also yes.

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xris:

what's up?

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SlicerDicer:

no problem

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SlicerDicer:

will bother you later :)

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Jenetik:

fuck it

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SlicerDicer:

?

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jhaarman:

how can I switch channel?

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slowone:

/j #newchannel

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slowone:

then /p #oldchannel

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kormoc:

slowone, he likely means in myth...

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jhaarman:

hehe

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jhaarman:

jep

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slowone:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Manual:Daily_Use

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jhaarman:

maybe they not configured or something cause I can't seem to switch

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jhaarman:

slowone, checkin

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jhaarman:

just what I thought. my arrow keys are not changing the channel.

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jhaarman:

any suggestionsL

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jhaarman:

?

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Jenetik:

how the hell am I supposed to make a scan file for dvbscan out of the crap on lyngsat

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slowone:

can you change channels outside of myth?

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slowone:

jhaarman what type of tunner?

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Jenetik:

like 1 channel is good enough for me

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SlicerDicer:

errr...

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jhaarman:

slowone: a cheap one. a 7134

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slowone:

useing ivtv drivers?

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jhaarman:

slowone, I was able to switch using tvtime

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jhaarman:

slowone, no. linux had drivers by default

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slowone:

ok, :( beyond me then if it was working outside of myth

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jhaarman:

slowone, which cards are bestL

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jhaarman:

?

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jhaarman:

(maybe I can add another)

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jhaarman:

(mut then this one should still work ;-) )

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stuarta:

where's that damn setting gone that lets me set the OSD theme....?

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slowone:

jhaarman: i dont know which are best ;p i have a hauppage pvr500 which is pretty nice cept i need a better signal to it :/ stupid shitty apt coax and a astc that looks very pretty

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slowone:

jhaarman: did you setup your video sources correctly (xmltv//zap2it) (and tie it to your card)? if you look at the program finder (in mythfrontend: Manage Recordings->Schedule Recordings->Programme Finder) is it populated with data for each channel?

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