Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, January 28th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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Hobbiticus:

and now it has program info for SD channels, the network HD channels, and nothing else

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xris:

mishehu: nope. I can't keep track, since I update my install every couple of weeks. I forget where .20 stopped and .21 began

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echosyp:

what is GATOS

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echosyp:

other than spanish for cat

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echosyp:

or cats

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mishehu:

tengo el gato en los pantalones!

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Roey:

heheheh

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Roey:

ikh hob a katz in mayn hoyzn

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mishehu:

Roey: I figured if anybody here besides liran would know what it means, it'd be you.

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Roey:

hai!

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Roey:

mishehu: you're not in #israel though

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mishehu:

ich bin du!

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Roey:

or are you!

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Roey:

who is liran here?

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mishehu:

Roey: I am. I always am (on efnet at least)

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Roey:

:)

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Roey:

mishehu: irc://irc.efnet.org/#israel ?

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mishehu:

Roey: there's a guy named liran that pops in this channel once in a while.

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Roey:

mishehu: what about the one here?

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Roey:

mishehu: ah, nidce

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Roey:

*nice

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Roey:

mishehu: ata ba aretz?

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mishehu:

Roey: there's an #israel here? I didn't think it really was the network to be in for #israel. heh.

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Roey:

of course! "We in Israel have everything that there is anywhere else!" (israel's tag line)

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mishehu:

ìà, àðé áàøä"á

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Roey:

charset utf8

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Roey:

/charset utf-8

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Hobbiticus:

xris: any idea what might be wrong?

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mishehu:

just in case you can see that heh

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mishehu:

Roey: nah, but I wish I was. I'm freezing my ass off in shitcowgo.

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xris:

Hobbiticus: no. I've never heard of your problem before

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xris:

or the other problem

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Roey:

mishehu: I'm FREEEEEEEEEEZING in bethesda, maryland.

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Roey:

next to DC.

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mishehu:

Roey: I can imagine. you'll be getting more of the cold weather soon too.

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Roey:

oh THAT'S it, I have a thermostat. Let me turn it on.

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Roey:

fuck.

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mishehu:

I much prefer tel aviv in the winter.

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Roey:

mishehu: stop sending us your bad weather!! :)

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Roey:

mishehu: you're israeli?

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mishehu:

and if it wasn't so much in bufu, eilat's pretty nice in the winter.

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Roey:

mishehu: tel aviv in the winter... you just get rain bwahahaha

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mishehu:

Roey: I've got the best of both worlds, aHi

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Roey:

mishehu: same.

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Hobbiticus:

is there any way to force mythfilldatabase to grab certain channel program info?

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Roey:

mishehu: came over the STates when I was five.

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Roey:

mishehu: never really felt comfortable caling myself 100% american

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xris:

Hobbiticus: it grabs what you have available

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Roey:

mishehu: in terms of culture, etc.

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mishehu:

Roey: I go back and forth every few years... that is until the woman told me she didn't want to...

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Roey:

mishehu: "amerikaki" comes to mind.

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Roey:

mishehu: eek.

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Roey:

mishehu: yehudiya?

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Roey:

just curious.

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Hobbiticus:

how do i know what it thinks i have available,?

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mishehu:

Roey: lo, athiastit. hi vietnamit

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mishehu:

bamakor

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Roey:

mishehu: it's nice to knwo that you're in #mythtv

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Roey:

mishehu: you're in #debian too, right? or #python or one of them chans

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mishehu:

Roey: well, at least #mythtv-users heh.

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Roey:

mishehu: ahhhhhhh nice :)

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mishehu:

Roey: I'm in... hmm... 0xdeadbeef other channels here...

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xris:

Hobbiticus: you *could* blow away all of your listing data and start over from scratch.

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doc|home:

hello. I've set up mythtv, gotten the tuner and channel listings set up (so auth info should be correct and fine) but mythfilldatabase as root is giving me 'Authorization failed'. Anyone got any idea why this would happen?

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mishehu:

#slackware, #samba, #mysql, #freeswitch, #asterisk, here, #qmail, #luni, #php, #slamd64, etc etc etc.

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mishehu:

doc|home: no permissions to connnect to the mysql database perhaps?

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Roey:

mishehu: oh, and hopefully a gnu/linux user

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Roey:

mishehu: I need for her to exist first

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Roey:

mishehu: and be roughly around my age (26).

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mishehu:

Roey: yesh lecha Od drishot, don kishot?

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Roey:

=) =)

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xris:

doc|home: and where are you getting the "auth failed" from? wget or mysql?

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Roey:

mishehu: peace in the middle east.

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doc|home:

xris: mishehu Http auth is faling

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Honk:

vegetarian <-- you're sick, Roey :P

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xris:

doc|home: and then is it succeeding? wget doesn't know to send auth until the server tells it that it has to.

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Roey:

mishehu: she ha aravim pitom itbagru?

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doc|home:

*failing

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mishehu:

Roey: <insert quote of C3PO explaining the odds of surviving an asteroid belt>

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xris:

doc|home: you *always* get "failed" and then wget sends the auth, and it works.

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purserj:

so basically your looking for a jewish girl of irish and japanese parents?

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Roey:

Honk: been vegan since I was 17 (9 years now)

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Roey:

mishehu: HA

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Roey:

mishehu: what's your name?

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mishehu:

purserj: who speaks hebrew, and is his age too!

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Roey:

purserj: jewish girl of japanese parents

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Roey:

oh, irish, hehehe

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mishehu:

Roey: korim li yossi.

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Roey:

purserj: well israelis have red hair too

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Roey:

mishehu: shalom yossi!

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mishehu:

kmo Hetsi miha'arets...

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Roey:

mishehu: YES

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doc|home:

xris: this is what happens: http://www.pastebin.ca/330530

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Roey:

I LOVE THAT.

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purserj:

Roey: true, but you get better odds with the celts

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** xris freaked out the first time he heard people in israel speaking Ladino... thought I was in the wrong country. **

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mishehu:

purserj: and he wants peace in the mid-east! all these things are going to come true!

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Roey:

Israeli girls in the army WITH red hair AND blue yes AND ponytails AND A BIG M16

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doc|home:

xris: so it works, then auth fails? weird

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Roey:

purserj: aye

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Roey:

purserj: well contact lenses can fix eye color and dye can fix hair color.

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mishehu:

xris: I don't think that those who speak ladino are any younger than 60 years old...

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xris:

doc|home: then you didn't set the username/password properly in mythtv-setup

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Roey:

mishehu: case in point yehoram gaon

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mishehu:

Roey: uhm, chicks usually get uzis

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Roey:

but actually maybe his sons

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Roey:

daughter

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Roey:

mishehu: ooh :)

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xris:

mishehu: was a family who owned a store in a mall in nazareth.

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Roey:

mishehu: well m16 mekutzar I was thinking

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Roey:

mishehu: I've seen them with m16s in gadna

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mishehu:

xris: natsrat Elit?

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xris:

and our bus driver with his kids (of course, he switched between ladino, yiddish and hebrew)

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xris:

mishehu: probably. it was a long time ago (1998)

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Roey:

xris: when were you in Israel?

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mishehu:

becuase natsrat itself is more arab that jewish...

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Roey:

xris: ahh

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Roey:

mishehu: and not too christian anymore, at that

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xris:

spent 5 weeks on a kibutz doing archeology nearby

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Roey:

interesting

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Roey:

you did archeology?

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Roey:

cool!

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mishehu:

xris: when in '98 did you go ? what season.

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xris:

mishehu: summer

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Roey:

it's not often you get to meet archeologists.

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xris:

Roey: wish I could call myself a real one. :)

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mishehu:

Roey: or at least teh muslims are more vocal. look at what happened a few years ago with that church vs. mosque in natsrat.

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Roey:

mishehu: I was there in '98 too with my high school graduating class

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doc|home:

xris: if that was the case would I be able to receive lineups in mythtv-setup?

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xris:

just did a couple of digs when I was in college.

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mishehu:

xris: ah, I wasn't quite in the army yet.

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mishehu:

I went in in october.

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xris:

doc|home: yeah, it would be correct if you got your lineups.

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xris:

weird.

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doc|home:

yeah :/

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mishehu:

I was therefore more likely at a photoshop in ramat gan.

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Roey:

mishehu: well somehow the fault (that a few arab muslim terrorists forced their way into a church for shelter) still got pinned on Israel.

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Roey:

mishehu: af paamlo nitpater mi ha drek ha ze

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mishehu:

Roey: you're thinking of beyt leHem.

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doc|home:

xris: any idea where I can go from here?

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Roey:

mishehu: oh I was talking about that, yes.

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xris:

doc|home: DELETE FROM channel; DELETE FROM program

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xris:

then rerun

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doc|home:

ok, one sec

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mishehu:

Roey: I'm referring to the riots in natsrat when a church was built taller than a mosque.

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Roey:

mishehu: natzeret I only know that Christians htere are feeling a lot of heat

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Roey:

oh

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Roey:

barbarians.

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Roey:

jesus.

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mishehu:

behemot

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** xris wishes he could go back to israel. **

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mishehu:

nevelot

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mishehu:

xris: it's only a plane flight away...

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xris:

my dad spent 3 weeks this fall on a jeep driving from israel to egypt, jordan and then back to israel

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mishehu:

though if that were teh case I'd have gone back for a vacation this winter.

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xris:

mishehu: $$$ and time off.

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xris:

and other places I *haven't* been to. :)

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doc|home:

xris: same result :/

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Roey:

For what it's wroth, I got stopepd by an ethiopian guard in tel aviv tachana merkazit

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mishehu:

xris: yeah, wife told me that I can't go unless I got some business partner to foot the bill. :-/

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Roey:

they interrogated me in the basement

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Roey:

it's because I was taking a picture of the mall by myself

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doc|home:

xris: there was 68 channels but no programs in the db

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Roey:

he comes up to me, asks me what I'm photographing, I said "stam, nu, nof" and that's when he invited me downstairs.

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mishehu:

Roey: yeah, they get very suspicious of people taking pics at transport centers.

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xris:

doc|home: re-set up your listings stuff.. maybe you accidentally typed an additional character into the login/password field AFTER it grabbed the listngs the first time?

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Roey:

mishehu: well yes of course

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doc|home:

xris: ok

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Roey:

mishehu: I knew that going in

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Roey:

mishehu: I took a chance and they caught me, heh

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mishehu:

Roey: we had that problem with ultinet meetings whenever we'd meet at the bus station in t"a

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Roey:

mishehu: hmm... how long till the Knesset passes a DMCA bill of their own?

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mishehu:

however, I did snap some shots off of Azrieli

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Roey:

mishehu: ohhhhhhhhhhh ok

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mishehu:

a year and a half ago.

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Roey:

mishehu: oh I did that two years ago at Azrieli

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Roey:

mishehu: I was with the #linux.il folks

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Sembiance:

Anyone around have a Gentoo ebuild of 0.21/SVN Mythtv? Kormoc isn't around at the moment :)

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mishehu:

Roey: obviously they didn't do anything because you were with a bunch of nerds.

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mishehu:

and when was teh last time nerds did anything to harm national security heh

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gardengnome:

Sembiance: i have no clue if these are still working: https://svn.mylinuxtime.de/svn/mythtv

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mishehu:

you were all probably talking about mythtv while up there too

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gardengnome:

Sembiance: good luck

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Sembiance:

gardengnome: thanks ;)

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Sembiance:

I only really want 0.21 of mythtranscode

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Sembiance:

but I'm guessing I can't just compile 0.21 and swap out mythtranscode ;)

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gardengnome:

Sembiance: there is no 0.21.

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stork:

will a 6200 with 64mb memory run MythTV fine? outputting to a TV via svideo and maybe a monitor for debugging

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kormoc:

Sembiance, https://www.kormoc.com/ebuilds/

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mishehu:

Roey: tfu tfu tfu, no dmca shit in israel. but in all likelihood, tehre's much bigger shit to worry about there and therefore they don't care.

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gardengnome:

Sembiance: it might actually work. with some fiddling and copying libs around.. ;)

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kormoc:

Sembiance, media-plugins, media-tv, x11-themes are the ones you're intrested in

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mishehu:

Roey: everybody seems to care a lot more about katsav right now than anything, at least that's what I get from reading ynet.

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kormoc:

xris, heh, yeah...

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Sembiance:

kormoc: thanks so much ;;)

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Sembiance:

is it pretty unstable? or not so bad :)

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kormoc:

Sembiance, you're so welcome. Currently only the mythvideo plugin works, but if you use others, just poke me and I'll add them

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kormoc:

Sembiance, so far it's more stable then 0.20-fixes was for me

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doc|home:

xris: Working differently now, retrieving an xml file but is this supposed to loop? Looks like it is to me.

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xris:

doc|home: yeah. it has to grab 2 weeks (or so) worth of data

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doc|home:

ah ok, thanks for your help. Weird one. The username and password are plaintext and were correct. *shrug*

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Sembiance:

kormoc: the plugins like mythvideo are for front end right? I'll only be updating a backend system for the time being (my front end system currently just uses mythvideo and points to a directory)

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doc|home:

working now I think

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kormoc:

Sembiance, sadly, you need all the frontends to be the same version as the backend

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xris:

doc|home: weird

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Sembiance:

About how far away is 0.21 from being out? days? weeks? months? :)

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xris:

Sembiance: no one knows.

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kormoc:

Sembiance, not planned yet

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Sembiance:

k :)

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Sembiance:

thank you all for your help :)

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xris:

no one has mentioned setting a date yet,though.

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xris:

Isaac's been on a bit of a hiatus, too.

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Sembiance:

kormoc: I noticed the ebuilds are -trunk versions... what sort of process is involved from taking an existing 0.20 install and updating it to 0.21?

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kormoc:

Sembiance, unmerge the current version, merge my version, start up the backend and it'll update the mysql database to the proper version, and that's that

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kormoc:

Sembiance, now, you'll likely want to backup your database incase you want to go back to the previous version

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williammanda:

can anyone help with a fusion hdyv5 rt gold setup in knoppmyth?

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williammanda:

hdtv

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Sembiance:

kormoc: thanks so much

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kormoc:

you're welcome

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a1fa:

12651

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a1fa:

anybody running svn 12651?

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a1fa:

it freezes after every tv show

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kormoc:

of trunk or 0.20-fixes?

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a1fa:

no svn version 12651

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kormoc:

which branch

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kormoc:

it's actually important...

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a1fa:

//svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv

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kormoc:

that's trunk

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a1fa:

yes

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a1fa:

it freezes up after every tv shpw

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kormoc:

might want to debug it

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Roey:

mishehu: thanks, your words sound reassuring

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Roey:

mishehu: this DMCA/DRM stuff has gotten WAY out of hand

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kormoc:

I'm waiting for a HDCP protected disk image online to revoke all keys

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Roey:

what's that?

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Roey:

"protected disk image"?

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xris:

hdcp won't be widely adopted for YEARS... there are too many people who don't have hdcp-capable tvs

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Roey:

of a DVD you mean?

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kormoc:

Roey, aye

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Roey:

kormoc: but that's only once DVD.

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Roey:

kormoc: DVDs can have different keys on them

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kormoc:

Roey, yes, but once used in a player, the player will never work with HDCP ever again

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kormoc:

Roey, that's the really sucky thing, your setup that works today might not tomorrow

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Roey:

kormoc: the best idea I've seen in thwarting DHCP is to poison the system by causing clashes by generating keys randomly until a user in Iowa wakes up to find that his shiny new $5000 HDTV no longer works.

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zyxul:

when I run mythfrontend I get the error saying: could not connect to backend server (but in gentoo I see the initd service is started)

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zyxul:

and it appears in ps too

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Roey:

kormoc: they'll hunt the owner of that rogue cable unit down

[00:42:57]

xris:

zyxul: what ip is it trying to connect to?

[00:42:59]

Roey:

kormoc: providers can track who generated that rogue key

[00:43:01]

zyxul:

also in the logfile it says started with no errors

[00:43:06]

Roey:

kormoc: I mean, then it's a matter of prosecution.

[00:43:18]

zyxul:

xris: the frontend?

[00:43:27]

xris:

yes

[00:43:28]

zyxul:

the default localhost

[00:43:29]

Roey:

kormoc: the thing is, Americans need to get the DMCA *repealed* if they want freedom.

[00:43:39]

Roey:

kormoc: but I'm preaching to the choir here, heh

[00:43:41]

kormoc:

Roey, that's the thing, the dvd image isn't something you can track down. the list of invalid keys is quite open on where it is and how to create/edit it

[00:43:55]

Roey:

kormoc: well what I'm saying is this:

[00:44:11]

xris:

Roey: "americans" have made it very clear that they're too stupid to know what they want. they keep electing people who pass laws like the patriot act.

[00:44:25]

Roey:

xris: certain provisions of the PATRIOT act are necessary, I think.

[00:44:29]

zyxul:

Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5)

[00:44:36]

Roey:

I care more about stopping terrorism than copying the latest episode of 24.

[00:44:48]

xris:

Roey: some of them are fine. but others aren't. and there are a bunch more things besides the patriot act that are stupd

[00:45:00]

Roey:

cannabis prohibition? *cough*

[00:45:01]

Roey:

right.

[00:45:10]

xris:

not so illegal in seattle.

[00:45:11]

Roey:

tons of inane laws.

[00:45:11]

zyxul:

Connection timed out. is the error of the frontend

[00:45:18]

Roey:

xris: federal means illegal.

[00:45:23]

Roey:

illegal is as illegal don't do.

[00:45:24]

doc|home:

hmmm, i'm using a cable connection but the quality seems to be a bit crap, could that be improved within mythtv or is it down to the cable?

[00:45:53]

xris:

Roey: yeah. but the paperwork required to cross jurisdiction into the city means they only go after the huge busts

[00:45:59]

doc|home:

another tv is better but it's two cables and 2 junctions away

[00:46:05]

Roey:

xris: I mean NH seems to be the next frontier now.

[00:46:06]

xris:

doc|home: analog cable/

[00:46:18]

doc|home:

xris: not sure, there might be digital

[00:46:21]

zyxul:

any idea why its not connecting?

[00:46:22]

doc|home:

hw can I check?

[00:46:34]

xris:

doc|home: what kind of tuner are you using?

[00:46:35]

** doc|home curses this keyboard **

[00:46:37]

xris:

and what is it plugged into?

[00:46:47]

Roey:

xris: there is just too large an investment in infastructure for the Federal government to repeal a lot of their disputed measures.

[00:46:55]

xris:

zyxul: frontend/backend running on the same machine?

[00:46:56]

doc|home:

xris: straight into the wall, set up by the apartment building owners. No box

[00:47:01]

Roey:

eh, no use in me talking about it though, I'll shut up.

[00:47:02]

zyxul:

xris: yeap

[00:47:16]

zyxul:

the backend is supposed to bind into a port right?

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xris:

doc|home: that'd be analog, then. and not much you can do short of getting an amplifier (and that will only help so much)

[00:47:25]

zyxul:

in netstat i cant see anything being binded

[00:47:32]

doc|home:

xris: ok, thanks

[00:47:34]

zyxul:

but the process is running

[00:47:59]

xris:

doc|home: apartment complex probably has dozens/hundreds of lines on the same feed.. lots of interference.

[00:48:10]

doc|home:

yeah, just not so bad on the other tv

[00:48:27]

xris:

zyxul: http://mythbox_ip:6544/

[00:49:22]

zyxul:

xris: the port is not binded

[00:49:29]

zyxul:

even though the process is running

[00:49:46]

zyxul:

i think the mythtv-setup is not displaying properly in my screen because it has huge fonts and some things get cut off

[00:49:58]

zyxul:

is there some way i can edit manually my config?

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mishehu:

bah.

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zyxul:

it uses settings from my QT apparently

[00:51:00]

xris:

zyxul: sounds like something's definitel not right

[00:51:05]

skooter:

hi... when i start mythbackend i get this error ... 2007-01–28 02:43:07.135 Channel(/dev/video0): InitPictureAttribute(brightness):

[00:51:06]

skooter:

[ 0, 0] dflt( 0, nan, 32768)

[00:51:06]

skooter:

2007-01–28 02:43:07.137 Channel(/dev/video0) Error: InitPictureAttribute(brightness): failed to set controls

[00:51:06]

skooter:

eno: No such device (19)

[00:51:27]

zyxul:

and my QT fonts are huge so i guess the setup screen is not displaying everything properly

[00:51:30]

mishehu:

zyxul: not easy to do. it stores the config in several hundred config lines and at least one table on the database.

[00:51:36]

zyxul:

oh

[00:51:38]

xris:

skooter: does /dev/video0 exist?

[00:51:51]

skooter:

yes...

[00:52:14]

skooter:

xris: sry... yes

[00:52:22]

zyxul:

well the problem is that the backend process is running but it doesnt bind into a port so i suspect something is wrong in the configuration

[00:52:41]

zyxul:

mythtv 2757 0.0 1.0 67612 20996 ? Ssl 19:49 0:00 /usr/bin/mythbackend --verbose none --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

[00:52:48]

doc|home:

can I switch from opengl to qt without usnig mythfrontend? I have no menus :/

[00:52:54]

xris:

skooter: try with -v all

[00:54:13]

xris:

doc|home: you can tweak it in the db, or pass it in as an option.

[00:54:22]

xris:

or alt-tab and the menus usually come back

[00:54:32]

doc|home:

ok, thanks, will look at the parameter options

[00:54:41]

zyxul:

ERROR: no valid capture cards are defined in the database.

[00:54:52]

xris:

you need to update/change your theme if you want to use gl.

[00:55:04]

doc|home:

I used the retro one

[00:55:06]

skooter:

xris: hmm that gave me a lot of stufff

[00:55:07]

xris:

doc|home: the setting you want is ThemePainter

[00:55:12]

xris:

skooter: yes

[00:55:21]

doc|home:

xris: thanks

[00:55:29]

xris:

zyxul: you need to go all the way through mythtv-setup before starting the backend

[00:55:58]

Sembiance:

Kormoc's ebuilds don't create an /etc/init.d service... guess I'll need to create one myself :)

[00:56:46]

Sembiance:

cardoes?

[00:56:53]

kormoc:

he does the offical gentoo ebuilds

[00:57:12]

skooter:

xris: should i look for the samme error? but now its more detailed?

[00:57:40]

xris:

skooter: or something near it, yes

[00:57:56]

Sembiance:

kormoc: Ahh. Should I try and locate one on the web? are you close to /dcc send sembiance /etc/init.d/mythbackend ? :)

[00:58:01]

zyxul:

xris I did

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xris:

zyxul: obviously not if you don't have capture cards defined

[00:59:20]

kormoc:

Sembiance, https://www.kormoc.com/ebuilds/media-tv/mytht . . . /mythbackend

[00:59:41]

skooter:

xirs: 2007-01–28 02:52:11.883 Channel(/dev/video0): SetFormat(Default) fmt(PAL) input(3)

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skooter:

eno: No such device (19)

[00:59:47]

Sembiance:

kormoc: thanks again

[00:59:48]

skooter:

2007-01–28 02:52:11.898 Channel(/dev/video0)::Tune(471250000, , analog)

[00:59:50]

skooter:

2007-01–28 02:52:12.006 Channel(/dev/video0)::Tune(): Frequency is now 471250000

[00:59:51]

juski:

whoah pastebin !!!!

[00:59:52]

skooter:

.... sry dudes

[01:00:00]

kormoc:

np

[01:00:12]

** xris wonders how many large pastes like that are intentional... **

[01:00:26]

juski:

auto kickban would sort that out :)

[01:00:42]

juski:

I have evil thoughts sometimes

[01:00:52]

skooter:

sry sry :-(

[01:01:13]

Sembiance:

kormoc: is it safe to use mythweb against this version?

[01:01:20]

xris:

Sembiance: upgrade to svn mythweb

[01:01:25]

xris:

and use the default template, not lite

[01:01:55]

Sembiance:

k

[01:02:26]

xris:

Sembiance: the new mythweb is nice. :)

[01:02:30]

xris:

even if I do say so myself. :)

[01:02:46]

xris:

anyway, time for me to jump into the shower to get this gasoline smell off.. stupid chainsaw.

[01:02:51]

Sembiance:

hrm... mythfrontend information center says 'Myth Version: 0.20.20070111–1 12500'

[01:02:55]

Sembiance:

I expected to see 0.21 :)

[01:03:06]

mishehu:

oh wow, I missed a pig baste (or a big paste).

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kormoc:

Sembiance, it's not 0.21 till it'e branched

[01:03:19]

kormoc:

*it's

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Sembiance:

ahh :)

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juski:

much more than that paste & freenode's flood control kicks in & you go byebyes

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kormoc:

Sembiance, I'll be updating those ebuilds as things that catch my interest appear in the changesets, so feel free to check my site every so often for updates

[01:04:09]

zyxul:

xris: I do have for some reason it fails to read them

[01:04:27]

kormoc:

Sembiance, if you want to bump the version yourself, you should just need to update the version number (12500) and it'll grab whatever revision you set it to

[01:04:35]

mishehu:

juski: I think I just coined a term.

[01:04:52]

mishehu:

from now on whenever somebody floods like that, we should call them `pig bastes`

[01:05:01]

juski:

xris: btw did you catch http://www.juski.co.uk/mythsite8a.png ?

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kormoc:

juski, pretty!

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juski:

not quite there yet though, but I'm back at where I originally left off I think

[01:07:50]

zyxul:

the problem is that mythbackend doesnt bind to a port

[01:08:12]

juski:

think it's time for bed now.. see y'all tomorrow

[01:08:16]

juski:

g'night

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skooter:

xris: well "mythbackend -v all" doesn't tell me anything more :-S

[01:08:51]

jd86:

Hey i was just checking out my mythv-setup (i've been having problems with backend not dieing, using svn) but, I noticed a card type of network or something close to that, whats up with that?

[01:10:05]

jd86:

actually called "network recorder"

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Sembiance:

here is the big test!

[01:13:06]

Sembiance:

I'm recording HD content... will mythtranscode, the new version, fix the 8 pixel bug at the bottom ov transcoded HD vids? :)

[01:13:10]

Sembiance:

We shall find out in about 10 minutes :)

[01:13:27]

Sembiance:

so far the new mythweb looks pretty in an ugly color scheme sort of way ;)

[01:15:40]

zyxul:

mythtv: could not connect to socket

[01:15:40]

zyxul:

mythtv: No such file or directory

[01:15:45]

zyxul:

that must be the problem

[01:15:53]

zyxul:

when i run mythtv-setup

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Sembiance:

ooooooo I sooo hope this works!

[01:19:35]

Sembiance:

if this works, then I can just start recording all the HDTV shows I watch right on my mythbox instead of downloading them in torrent form rofl

[01:19:44]

Sembiance:

amazing this stuff is just 'flying through the air' :)

[01:20:00]

Sembiance:

I've had a mythtv box for several years (more than 3 I think) with *5* PVR-250's

[01:20:19]

Sembiance:

but now that I live in an area where I can get HD signals... :)

[01:20:24]

zyxul:

yay i got it!

[01:20:30]

Sembiance:

congo rats zyxul ;)

[01:20:34]

zyxul:

stupid iptables rule was blocking it

[01:20:36]

zyxul:

thx

[01:20:47]

Sembiance:

zyxul: shall we inform the keymaster, or the gatekeeper?

[01:20:50]

jd86:

Does the freebox recorder on mythtv work with any other services?

[01:20:58]

zyxul:

so the client couldnt connect to the backend

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zyxul:

haha

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zyxul:

ok i need to make it use alsa now

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zyxul:

so i can get sound :)

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pkh:

can someone recommend a tuner card for a mythtv installation? We're on the east coast of Australia and interested in digital mainly, but would like the option of analog input, particularly composite inputs — and a remote.

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Agrajag-:

pkh: i've seen a vstream dvb + analogue card at msy going cheap

[01:28:23]

pkh:

msy?

[01:28:28]

pkh:

ah, found it

[01:28:42]

Agrajag-:

there's a shop in ultimo if you're in sydney

[01:28:53]

Agrajag-:

http://www.msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf

[01:28:59]

pkh:

nah, central qld — going to have to order online

[01:29:34]

pkh:

Agrajag-, and this will work seamlessly? I've been having a lot of problems looking for compatibility lists...

[01:30:00]

Agrajag-:

hmm actually not so sure with that card.. i have another kworld vstream card that works fine

[01:30:30]

Agrajag-:

but at the moment im using two twinhan visionplus cards, super cheap, but work for me (only dvb-t though)

[01:30:42]

Sembiance:

mmm... 1GB = 10 minutes. Welcome to the HD world ;)

[01:30:50]

Sembiance:

of course transcoding will cut that down by 30% or so

[01:31:05]

Sembiance:

well, my transcoding settings do ;)

[01:31:18]

Honk:

mpeg2 to whatever only cuts 30% for you?

[01:31:24]

pkh:

Agrajag-, I'm seting up the machine for my parents — I really need a card that is completely compatible with mythtv right now. is there a compatibility list somewhere?

[01:31:43]

Agrajag-:

pkh: not that i know of.. anything that works with linux dvb will work in myth

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Sembiance:

Honk: I'm still experimenting. This is day 2 of my new myth box with HD tuners

[01:33:45]

kormoc:

pkh, any card supported by V4L will also work

[01:35:08]

squish102:

is there a guide for a noob when they have 2 tv tuners and how to set up to record series? i have set up about 10 series to be recorded but i guess i selected the wrong thing because i have 8 possible conflicts

[01:35:12]

pkh:

I'm looking at the AverMedia AVerTV DVB-T771 ($111+ in Aus) — am I on the wrong track with that?

[01:35:16]

williammanda:

can someone help me setup a fusion hdtv5 rt gold card for analog cable that has qam 256 local stations for mythtv?

[01:35:16]

LLyric:

pkh: if you can get a dvico dual digital TWO (not four), they work well

[01:35:17]

Sembiance:

Okay, anyone in the market for cards? I have some very old and used PVR-250's and I have some brand new HD-5500 cards I don't need anymore.

[01:35:23]

kormoc:

squish102, no, that's quite normal

[01:35:28]

Sembiance:

heh, I wonder how well linux only HD-5500 cards will do on ebay rofl

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kormoc:

squish102, it's all dependant on the times they play, it's quite often to have conflicts

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williammanda:

sembiance...pchdtv 5500?

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squish102:

i said record "csi miami" and said "Record at any time on any channel." because if the SD tuner is busy i would like it to hit the HD tuner

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Sembiance:

williammanda: yup

[01:37:05]

Sembiance:

williammanda: I bought three of them... then I realized I don't have enough PCI slots.

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squish102:

but it now records on A & E and spike tv and all the others

[01:37:09]

williammanda:

maybe....i have one but haven't tried it out yet...i will later

[01:37:20]

Sembiance:

williammanda: I haven't even opened the box yet rofl. Maybe I can send them back to the company and get a refund

[01:37:29]

kormoc:

squish102, of course, you said any time on any channel, those are channels

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williammanda:

let me know how to get in touch with you

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squish102:

ok, so is there a best practice, for what I have?

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squish102:

or do i need to manually look for conflicts and select the right tuner?

[01:38:09]

Sembiance:

williammanda: do you have eBay account? I might just put them up there, with starting bid $1.00 no reserve to see what happens. That's if the company won't take them back

[01:38:15]

williammanda:

semb...can you set them up to get analog too?

[01:38:17]

kormoc:

squish102, it's going to be using the ones it can already

[01:38:17]

pkh:

Sembiance, where are you?

[01:38:22]

Sembiance:

pkh: boston

[01:38:27]

pkh:

ah, no good.

[01:38:29]

Milosch:

Sembiance: oh, just give up and ship them over

[01:38:55]

Sembiance:

I would donate one to a MythTV developer :)

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Milosch:

counts me out

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Sembiance:

if there are any mythtv developers in need of an HD card ;)

[01:39:14]

squish102:

thanks kormoc, i'm just worried the ones on the main channels wont get as high a priority

[01:39:30]

squish102:

can i prioritise channels?

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kormoc:

Sembiance, talk to chutt, he's issac, the lead dev

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LLyric:

pkh: I've gone one of them works good. That's what I was talking about.

[01:39:58]

Sembiance:

kormoc: k, thanks

[01:39:59]

williammanda:

semb....if this one works for me here....i would pay what it cost you

[01:40:05]

LLyric:

pkh: however, they've recently started putting dvico dual digital FOUR in the box

[01:40:16]

LLyric:

With no obvious difference, but different chips so doesn't work yet!

[01:40:23]

LLyric:

So I wouldn't reccomend one right now

[01:40:24]

pkh:

LLyric, that's a worry...

[01:40:26]

pkh:

ok

[01:40:28]

pkh:

damn

[01:40:38]

LLyric:

mkrufy is literally, working on that right now

[01:41:01]

pkh:

this is a real pain! thing is we're going to have to choose and then get it delivered — no taking it back

[01:41:18]

LLyric:

Just wait a week, if you can

[01:41:23]

LLyric:

He's pretty close to getting it working.

[01:42:54]

williammanda:

has anyone setup a fusion hdtv5 rt gold to receive the qam 256 channels off of analog cable?

[01:43:09]

pkh:

LLyric, ok, so we might go for it and upgrade when the new drivers come through if needed.

[01:43:54]

LLyric:

hmmm. you're comfortable with compiling modules, and all that stuff?

[01:44:19]

squish102:

does any1 use mythweb to set up recording schedules?

[01:44:29]

LLyric:

sometimes, yeah

[01:44:38]

kormoc:

all the time

[01:45:15]

squish102:

ok, i need to legend for the meaning of the first block, and all the different dotted lines

[01:45:27]

Sembiance:

WOOT!!! SUCCESS!!!!!

[01:45:37]

Sembiance:

The trunk build fixes the HD->Transcode 8 pixel problem

[01:45:51]

Sembiance:

Now my 1080p videos transcode into 720p videos without any extra artifacts :)

[01:45:56]

Sembiance:

It's HDTV recording time! :)

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kormoc:

squish102, what do you mean? when it's green, it shows the tuner that is going to be used, else it says why it's not going to get recorded

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** LLyric kicks his dumb nvidia component our **

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LLyric:

Or my tv, whatever

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Sembiance:

I mean what a great couple of days. First I get my new RAID 5 array working:

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Sembiance:

Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on

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Sembiance:

/dev/md/0 1.6T 606G 895G 41% /mnt/deck

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psm321:

what would cause " NVR: Ran out of free AUDIO buffers :-("? seems to happen near the beginning of recordings (and i get corrupted video there)

[01:46:53]

Sembiance:

Now I got MythTV doing great HDTV recordings and transcodings

[01:46:56]

Sembiance:

life kicks ass ;)

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kormoc:

Sembiance, ext2/3?

[01:48:49]

Sembiance:

kormoc: The RAID5 array is resierfs. But my MythTV recordings go to a seperate drive/mount point that is not raided at all, that is ext3

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Honk:

Sembiance: at what fps? :P

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Honk:

the transcoding i mean :]

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kormoc:

Sembiance, by default, ext2/3 reserves a chunk of space for the root user only, you might want to look at tweaking that if it's a large drive (tune2fs is the tool to do so)

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Sembiance:

Honk: from 1080p to 720p MPEG4 at high quality and 4000 bitrate I get about 16FPS

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Honk:

that's pretty good

[01:50:12]

Honk:

fast system, huh? :P

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Milosch:

16? ugh

[01:50:58]

Sembiance:

Honk: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+

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Sembiance:

brand new :)

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frink_:

yo

[01:51:18]

Sembiance:

it replaces two older servers I've had for about 5+ years

[01:51:22]

frink_:

wowo like i hav ebeen idle too long :(

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Honk:

shouldnt you've bought a core2duo instead? :P

[01:51:55]

kormoc:

heh, yeah :P

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frink_:

So I have a question.. Do I buy a VIA M10000 that does decent TV out for my lame TV that only has composite in or shall I get a cheepo $600 LCD TV and use the VGA out?

[01:52:33]

kormoc:

lcd tv imho

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frink_:

yeah

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frink_:

I'm thining that too

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LLyric:

make sure it takes vga at it's native resolution. some don't.

[01:53:19]

LLyric:

kindof annoying

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Sembiance:

Honk: I'm not an Intel fan. I did look a LOT at them... however I wanted motherboards that had more SATA ports onboard, and the Athlon boards just rocked there

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frink_:

LLyric: that would suck.. Are the wide screen LCD's some odd resolution like 1024x600 or something?

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Sembiance:

Honk: SATA ports+ PCI slots

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Sembiance:

regular old PVR250 compatible PCI slots ;)

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LLyric:

check the specs

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Sembiance:

frink_: I once went the hole 'lets buy tiny little motherboards and cases and stuff'

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LLyric:

Yeah, too slow and too much hassle

[01:55:18]

Sembiance:

frink_: But they always turned to be much more hassle and money than they are worth

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kormoc:

Sembiance, how many do you need? (sata ports)

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Honk:

Sembiance: heh.. luckily i upgraded last time before i had to make that kind of choice :P

[01:56:16]

Sembiance:

kormoc: Well, there is 6 on boards, but I wanted more. Problem is my case (Antec P180, super quiet) didn't have any more room for drives anyways

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Sembiance:

kormoc: I *should* be okay on hard drive space for the next few years.

[01:56:41]

kormoc:

Sembiance, there's some boards with 8 sata 2 ports

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** LLyric needs to do all that stuff again soon. **

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Sembiance:

kormoc: and do they also have at least 2 regular PCI slots for my PVR250's ? :)

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daedalus_:

I have a problem. I can't seem to get menu text (or any other text) to show up on my frontend. I've googled and found nothing, and I've tried to (from memory) switch to different themes to see if that helped. I've also done a mythfrontend -r. I just recently upgraded to 0.20 via debian, which is whne this all started.

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Sembiance:

kormoc: Are they also passively cooled (no cooling fans) so they are nice and quiet? :)

[01:57:24]

Sembiance:

kormoc: I had lots of things to consider :)

[01:57:33]

kormoc:

Sembiance, aye, 3 pci + 2 pci-e 1x + 2 pci-e 16x

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LLyric:

Sembiance: analogue sucks, don't you have digital in your area?

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kormoc:

Sembiance, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813135038 <-- quick example, there's lots more

[01:57:51]

Sembiance:

kormoc: I'm pleased with my purchase :)

[01:57:56]

** kormoc shrugs **

[01:58:27]

Sembiance:

LLyric: 95% of the stuff I'll be recording now in HDTV from the major networks. But there are some cable shows that I want to record

[01:59:11]

LLyric:

Yeah, I'm too cheap for cable :)

[01:59:57]

daedalus_:

Anyone have any ideas?

[02:00:57]

LLyric:

daedalus_: I had that too, it was some opengl thing

[02:01:09]

LLyric:

daedalus_: iirc, I changed to the qt renderer for a while

[02:01:09]

Sembiance:

daedalus_: hrm... It may be a Qt problem. Did you try switching to OpenGL or from OpenGL back to Qt?

[02:01:37]

Sembiance:

Right now I'm thinking about building a Mythfrontend system ;)

[02:02:03]

daedalus_:

Well, the mythfrontend -r threw me back to the qt renderer, and I don't know which selector box to use to try and get back to opengl rendering

[02:02:08]

Milosch:

daedalus_: maybe check your xorg log for glx problems

[02:02:19]

daedalus_:

but I tried both and both failed.

[02:02:47]

Sembiance:

daedalus_: do any other apps not work right? have you tried different window managers? (fluxbox, icewm, kde, gnome, etc) ?

[02:02:53]

LLyric:

could modify the settings in the DB

[02:03:03]

Sembiance:

daedalus_: tried the front-end in a window, or changed resolutions?

[02:04:58]

daedalus_:

Trying in a window now. xorg.log seems to be complaining about the glx module. I guess it's time for me to have my monthly wrangle with the nvidia drivers.

[02:05:19]

LLyric:

yeah, you need your glx working.

[02:05:28]

LLyric:

hey, nvidia is pretty good. ATI sucks.

[02:06:03]

jd86:

hey all, I just found (surprisingly ) the network recorder, how does this work? I've setup a .m3u file with a stream I found that uses rtsp, added a "fake" source, with no grabber, added a channel for that source and a card with network recorder, but when I go to watch that channel it says that it is use, and I don't see an "encoder" for it... are there instrux on getting this working?

[02:06:22]

daedalus_:

ATI does suck, but I've got an SMP system and nvidia apparently can't write smp-safe code.... I have a xorg freeze about every 20th website load.

[02:06:36]

LLyric:

no problem here....

[02:06:44]

daedalus_:

lucky

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frink_:

Sembiance: I pretty much agree. It's all either too expensive for what it is, too slow or too much hassle.

[02:06:53]

kormoc:

daedalus_, I have a SMP system and no issues with nvidia cards, in strange and noraml styles for years

[02:07:13]

kormoc:

daedalus_, it's actually a bit of a debian thing, as everyone I know with nvidia and smp issues are debian based

[02:07:18]

** frink_ does not care about looks/size just about the crappy TV quality at the moment **

[02:07:32]

frink_:

I am using a VGA-composite scan converter thingy.. it looks the pits.

[02:09:05]

briand:

is anybody here familiar with eskil's shoutcast patch for mythmusic ?

[02:10:25]

briand:

I've installed the patch, recompiled, and it's "not there" — the database changes are there, the program changes are there, and the new containers for music-ui.xml are there, but I'm not seeing anything in the plugin to allow me to select shoutcast streams! Am I missing some obvious step in getting this working?

[02:10:40]

tarteauxpommes:

Hello everyone, i would like to know if mythtv has built-in support for tv and/or radio streams ( ex: shoutcast, icecast, etc ... ) or a plugin that can do that. Because, i have searched in the wiki on the website today, and i can't find a page about it.

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Sembiance:

tarteauxpommes: For my audio needs I use a squeezebox. Not sure about myth's capabilities however.

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purserj:

on a related note, does myth have an official {pod,vod}catcher

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kormoc:

catcher?

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purserj:

A podcast downloader/player

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kormoc:

tarteauxpommes, there really isn't anything for radio stuff, and there's some third party stuff for some streams (mythstream I believe)

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tarteauxpommes:

i would like to receive radio streams or tv streams from internet, like you do when you click on a link in your browser, not streaming in a lan or things like that

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kormoc:

purserj, mythstream is the only thing

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purserj:

kormoc: right

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squish102:

ok on mythweb, when looking at first column i see the following values: 1,2,P,E,L,C – i think 1 and 2 are the two tuners and C = conflict

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purserj:

has there been thoughts about building something like that into the "official" myth?

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squish102:

that is in upcoming recordings

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kormoc:

squish102, P is previously recorded, L is later recording

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kormoc:

squish102, not sure about E...

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squish102:

thanks

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kormoc:

squish102, the mouse over popup tends to tell you what it's doing

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tarteauxpommes:

kormoc: yes i found mythstream, but it has a different version compared to mythtv ( 0.17 or 0.18 vs 0.20 ). Is it a problem ?

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kormoc:

under Notes: or similar

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kormoc:

tarteauxpommes, likely

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squish102:

ahhh ok

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LLyric:

Sembiance: the guy is testing his driver update on my machine now, so far so good.

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LLyric:

Sembiance: I'm in Melbourne myself

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tarteauxpommes:

kormoc: thanks kormoc

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squish102:

ok next noob question. how do i stop it recording reruns?

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squish102:

i have Duplicate Check method set to subtitle and desc

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Honk:

just record every week on that timeslot or sth :P

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kormoc:

squish102, and the Check for duplicates in is set to?

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squish102:

all recordings

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kormoc:

then is should be doing it

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squish102:

Honk, im going to be away for a month, and have about 20 series set up for wife

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Honk:

d'oh

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squish102:

and if i screw it up, that will be the end of my marriage

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Honk:

buy another 500gb hd :P

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Honk:

or two ;)

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squish102:

i am working on that part now

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briand:

i would assume, from the answers given to tarteauxpommes, that nobody here is familiar with eskil's patch for the mythmusic plugin that allows playing shoutcast streams from it...

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Honk:

^_^

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briand:

ah well, i'll just send him an email, then.

[02:21:50]

Honk:

reruns get recorded on my system cuz the description changes from one run to another

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squish102:

i have to make my SD card have higher priority for space reasons

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Honk:

stupid german xmltv grabber :P

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squish102:

if u see my upcoming recordings it is SCARY

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briand:

tarteauxpommes: if you're compiling your mythtv from SVN source, check out http://www.eskil.org/mythtv/

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tarteauxpommes:

briand: great !! but this patch can only receive shoutcast streams, right ? can i listen to others webradios, for example just from a link ?

[02:29:50]

briand:

tarteauxpommes: i'm still in the process of getting it working on my system, but the screenshots there seem to indicate you can add/edit entries in there for your "favorite radio stations"

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briand:

check out the second screenshot: looks like a slot to edit the URL to the radio link

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LLyric:

Heheh, home machines are so ridiculously fast these days... rebuild mythtv and some plugins in < 5 minutes

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briand:

LLyric: really? try doing a dist_clean first, then time it.

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LLyric:

nah, that's slow :)

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tarteauxpommes:

briand: ok thanks i will -try- (!) to compile mythtv. :)

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briand:

heheheh.

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LLyric:

it's clean, but it's ccache

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Honk:

Sat Dec 23 02:18:54 2006 >>> media-tv/mythtv-0.20_p12288-r1

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Honk:

merge time: 2 minutes and 54 seconds.

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Honk:

:p

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briand:

I usually do a dist_clean when I update SVN here... entire compile of myth and all plugins takes just under an hour, here.

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LLyric:

I delete the whole dir, but ccache just stops repeating myself.

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** LLyric uses .spec files to rebuild rpms from svn **

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LLyric:

briand: looked at ccache?

[02:37:10]

briand:

nope, not yet.. on the (ever-expanding) list of "things to do"

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LLyric:

"yum install ccache" :)

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LLyric:

I just rebuild a couple of plugins: real 0m34.456s

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Honk:

"a couple"? :P

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LLyric:

5

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LLyric:

But ccache makes all the recompiling-old-stuff very very quick

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Honk:

i know i know :P

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Honk:

<-- on gentoo :P

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Honk:

you get to know ccache there

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LLyric:

"gentoo – for people with nothing better to do" :)

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Honk:

huh?

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LLyric:

brb, baby stuff

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** tarteauxpommes is afraid about compiling mythtv and its dependencies :( yes, it's my first time to compile an application :) **

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briand:

tarteauxpommes: welcome to the world of linux. you're not truly a member until after you've compiled something (some would say that the "something" must be a working kernel!)

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Honk:

*nodnod*

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tarteauxpommes:

yes that's right :)

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** briand has compiled working kernels before. **

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briand:

(and several non-working ones, but we're not mentioning that...)

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LLyric:

tarteauxpommes: if you use redhat/fedora, the .spec files are an easy way to go :)

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tarteauxpommes:

LLyric: i use kubuntu, maybe arch linux soon :)

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Eruantalon:

Why is sound missing on half the shows a record with mythtv. I have a hauppauge 150

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kormoc:

it didn't like how you looked at it, so it's sulking

[03:13:55]

sandeen:

it's actually a defect in the latest release of ears 1.2

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briand:

ah, okay, it *was* a "headspace error". shoutcast now (and then, i just didn't know it) working fine. :)

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sandeen:

Eruantalon, IOW no idea :)

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sandeen:

hmm harmony 550 remote for $70... that might be nice

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PFalcon:

Does anyone know the best way to switch an nvidia driver from monitor output to svideo output?

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williammanda:

i've just started using mythtv and i can't find anywhere how to select a channel to watch it using the keyboard

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williammanda:

i'm at the program guide

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williammanda:

using the arrow keys to get to a channel

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williammanda:

but i can't change the channel

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williammanda:

any advice?

[04:00:13]

GreyFoxx:

So you started LiveTV, went to the program guide and now want to jump to the channel you are over ?

[04:00:33]

williammanda:

guide comes up first

[04:00:34]

ShiftyPowers:

anyone here run MythTV in a dual head configuration?

[04:00:46]

williammanda:

but yes...switch chabbel from the guide

[04:00:53]

ShiftyPowers:

i'm thinking of getting a second monitor to run myth on while the projector sits idle if it's too bright out

[04:01:20]

GreyFoxx:

williammanda:Did you get there by going into WatchTV, or going through the menuys to get to Program Guide

[04:01:38]

williammanda:

watch tv

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GreyFoxx:

k

[04:01:48]

GreyFoxx:

after you highlight the channel, hit M

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williammanda:

great ty

[04:02:08]

GreyFoxx:

You can configure the frontend so that ENTER will do it, but by default you have to hit M

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williammanda:

do you know how to setup a fusion hdtv5 rt gold or pchdtv to get qam 256 channels off of analog cable?

[04:05:41]

williammanda:

pchdtv 5500

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GreyFoxx:

Nope, sorry. I've never tried with any of those cards

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williammanda:

ok thanks

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mchou:

williammanda: man, you are on comcast? Then you dont need any of those cards :)

[04:07:30]

williammanda:

what do you mean?

[04:07:31]

mchou:

get a firewire STB from comcast

[04:07:35]

mchou:

BBL

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williammanda:

oh...they don't have any here

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williammanda:

i called last week...no firewire

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mchou:

williammanda: man, that's against the law

[04:10:08]

mchou:

report them to fcc

[04:10:21]

mchou:

williammanda: where do you live?

[04:10:25]

williammanda:

what? they are suppose to have it?

[04:10:30]

mchou:

yup

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williammanda:

chattanooga tn

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mchou:

lol, maybe not in the ozarks :)

[04:11:06]

mchou:

non, seriously, that's against the law :)

[04:11:14]

mchou:

no*

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williammanda:

yes...i moved here about 5 months ago

[04:11:45]

mchou:

report them to fcc

[04:12:12]

mchou:

I could cite you chapter and verse from the law, but I'm indisposed at the moment

[04:12:18]

defaultro:

hey mchou

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mchou:

been in effect since 2002, iirc

[04:12:39]

mchou:

hi defaultro

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defaultro:

mchou, are you good in electronics? I have a question

[04:12:53]

mchou:

not now

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defaultro:

really simple

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mchou:

no

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defaultro:

:)

[04:13:27]

defaultro:

anyone please, i have an equipment that requires 6volts. My adaptor is 7.5 volts. Is it too much?

[04:13:34]

williammanda:

what's your electronic question?

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williammanda:

what are you running

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Honk:

you wouldnt want to give that much to sensible stuff :P

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defaultro:

totally not about mythtv

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Honk:

doesnt help at all :P

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defaultro:

it's the control on an elliptical mahchine

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defaultro:

it didn't come with the power adaptor

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defaultro:

however, I have here at home that's 7.5 volts output. But the controller only requires 6volts. I don't know if it's ok

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williammanda:

get some resistors...

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defaultro:

?

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defaultro:

how do I do that?

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defaultro:

insert it in one of the lines?

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williammanda:

and come up with the ratio that = 6v

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defaultro:

i no nothing about it

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williammanda:

no you apply the resistors across the 7.5v...

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williammanda:

hold on

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defaultro:

ok

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Honk:

just buy a new adapter :P

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defaultro:

:)

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defaultro:

with the help of william, I might be able to make one

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defaultro:

i will have to look for some resistors though in my cabinet

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williammanda:

get 5 1K resistors....

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williammanda:

connect them in series

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sandeen:

defaultro, just go to radio shack & buy one for cheap... :)

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sandeen:

check the amperage too

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psm321:

get one of the adjustable adapters

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williammanda:

connect the open end to your power supply

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psm321:

those are neat

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williammanda:

open ends

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Honk:

williammanda: do you really think that's gonna be cheaper than just buying a new adapter? :P

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defaultro:

i can just make one wire naked right and insert the 5 resistors there?

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williammanda:

then connect a wire to the negative end

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williammanda:

think of it as a totem pole

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williammanda:

bottom of the pole is negative

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williammanda:

the top is positive

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williammanda:

the resistor are the heads stacked up

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williammanda:

connect the p/s to the top and bottom

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defaultro:

k

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williammanda:

then connect to your 6 volt item by...

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defaultro:

you know what, don't worry, i'm confused

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williammanda:

the bottom (negative) and....

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defaultro:

if you can draw it in paint, that would be awesome

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williammanda:

the 4th resistor

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defaultro:

then just post it to imageshack.us

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williammanda:

and you will get 6 volts

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defaultro:

i only found 2.2k resistors

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defaultro:

1/4 watt, 5% tolerance

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williammanda:

i'm not sure how to draw anything in linux yet...

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williammanda:

those resistors will work

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williammanda:

you just need 5 of equal value

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adante:

defaultro: um, what current draw does this device have?

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adante:

defaultro: voltage divider is fine for low/constant draw devices, but hilarity will ensue for anything else

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defaultro:

i also have 4.7k ohm resistors that I found

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defaultro:

adante it's a power adapter with 7.5output volts

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adante:

and by hilarity i mean the bad kind of hilarity

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defaultro:

it's a power adaptor for a toy

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defaultro:

but i want to use it for the elliptical machine however, it only reqiures 6v

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mchou:

defaultro: why are you so lame?

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mchou:

go get a couple of zener diodes and be done w/it

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mchou:

or better yet, just go get a voltage adjutable adapter.

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mchou:

set you back $10

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defaultro:

hey mchou, just got back

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defaultro:

i guess, I'll just buy an adjustable adapter

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defaultro:

i think i have one lying around

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williammanda:

what command can i use to stop mythbackend?

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adante:

killall mythbackend

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williammanda:

when i do that...the prompt come right back...

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PointyPumper:

shutdown -h now ?

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PointyPumper:

xD

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GreyFoxx:

williammanda: That's what it's suppose to do

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williammanda:

k

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williammanda:

then when i do mythtv-setup...

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williammanda:

it tells me that the backend is still running

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GreyFoxx:

Is it running as root and you tried to kill it as a regular user ?

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williammanda:

well it worked that time

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williammanda:

ty

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williammanda:

no...as su

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GreyFoxx:

It's possible that it's still running

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GreyFoxx:

kill just sends a signal to it to end. It's up to the app to actually close

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GreyFoxx:

a kill -9 forces it

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williammanda:

ok ty

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Dr_willis:

gee.. i normally do a /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop

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Dr_willis:

i think,, my mythtv box is upstairs...

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defaultro:

mchou, williammanda, i found a 6v power adaptor. Can I just replace the end connector with the one that fits the other connector?

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williammanda:

yes defaultro

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defaultro:

there isn't any positive negative right?

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williammanda:

yes there is polarity

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defaultro:

oh

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williammanda:

the negative should have a strip on it

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williammanda:

maybe white

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defaultro:

white strip?

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defaultro:

k

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williammanda:

if the conecctor is round....

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defaultro:

it is round

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williammanda:

the outside is negative...inside is positive

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defaultro:

william, is amp important? It's because the spec is asking for 15amp and mine is only at 10amp

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williammanda:

wow....i thought you were doing something small

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williammanda:

6 volts @ 15 amps?

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defaultro:

i don't know if i'm reading it correctly

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defaultro:

it's says 100mA

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williammanda:

what are you using it on?

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defaultro:

that's 10A right

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williammanda:

ok you scared me :)

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defaultro:

yeah, 15amp is like my circuit breaker

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williammanda:

100 mA is 100th of an amp

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defaultro:

the 15amp that the person gave me is incorrect then

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williammanda:

you should have small diameter wire right?

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defaultro:

yes

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defaultro:

looks like 24 or 26 gauge

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williammanda:

you should be fine then

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

:) whew

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defaultro:

it says here, INPUT 120VAC, OUTPUT 6VDC

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williammanda:

you're fine

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defaultro:

and the device is asking for 6volts

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defaultro:

ok :)

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defaultro:

changing connectors now

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Loto:

lol its the metric system man

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Loto:

m = milli

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Loto:

= x 10^-3

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defaultro:

a-huh

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Loto:

of a volt

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defaultro:

that's what i know, i shouldn't have used it, hahaha

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defaultro:

now, i know, it's way different

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defaultro:

what are the bad effects though if + and – got reversed?

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Dr_willis:

heh.. ive blown things up tha tway.

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williammanda:

it sounds like your connecting it up to a control of some type....

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defaultro:

oh

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defaultro:

i man

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defaultro:

the LCD panel of a tread mill

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williammanda:

on exercise equipment

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Dr_willis:

gotta love having a Huge box of ac adaptors.. and not knowing what they go to.

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williammanda:

it just shouldn't work...

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Dr_willis:

normally the devices have a little 'icon' saying tip + or tip -

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defaultro:

k

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williammanda:

if it is backward....

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Dr_willis:

some cheap cheap gizmos may not like getting it backwards..

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defaultro:

k

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williammanda:

but to be safe...

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Dr_willis:

some devices dont even care.. they can work both ways.

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williammanda:

be ready to disconnect it

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

yes

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defaultro:

i actually tried a 3.6 a while ago and panel dies every 3 secs

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CanadianMan__:

does anyone use onboard DVI to component to their TV?

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Dr_willis:

Hmm.. cant say that ive seen a DVI to Component adaptor

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CanadianMan__:

i have a cable for it

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CanadianMan__:

does anyone use like dvi/vga to any tv input?

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Dr_willis:

Ive not even seen many vga to tv converters in ages.

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CanadianMan__:

ah really

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Dr_willis:

those used to be high-tech gizmos a few years back

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Dr_willis:

now tv out is so common on cards and laptops.

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H00chster:

I am using VGA to my projector, but it has a VGA input! :) I have used DVI to my parents tv, but it has a DVI input

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Dr_willis:

I had a thing that was a tv tuner that plugged into a vga monitor. :)

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Dr_willis:

but the Sony Playstation really really looked weird on a Highres monitor.

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Dr_willis:

yea lots of the new tv's now have vga and dvi inputs ive seen

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Dr_willis:

guess the next gen will have hdmi (?) inputs as well.

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Dr_willis:

Not High end.. but they got the features

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Dr_willis:

then my friend gave me his old Nvidia 5500 so i dident look mych more into them

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H00chster:

ya to go dvi to component I am pretty sure you would need some sort of down converter but not certain on it, I just know that to go from component to dvi, like if I wanted to hook my xbox 360 up to my Dell 30" monitor I have to have an upconverter. so would assume it works the other way!

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H00chster:

but ya video cards are cheap since we don't need high end for myth

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H00chster:

but I do understand cheap isn't always cheap to someone else!

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H00chster:

but part of the hobby

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Dr_willis:

often it Pays big time to have some spare parts laying about. ;)

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H00chster:

indeed

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Dr_willis:

swaped a spare ram chip for a friends old HD the other day. :) put it in the wifes pc.. saved me buying her a HD.

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Dr_willis:

he needed the ram for his wifes low end pc. :)

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** Dr_willis has gone from "stacks of floppies" to stacks of CD's to Stacks of USB hard drives.. to Stacks of PC's **

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Dr_willis:

I hate to see whats next

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CanadianMan__:

stacks of photon hard drives

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CanadianMan__:

http://www.theregister.com/2007/01/25/single_photon_storage/

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CanadianMan__:

not sure if you all have seen this yet, pretty cool though

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Fooker:

Hey all

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Fooker:

Woops, wrong channel. But hi regardless :P

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Dr_willis:

CanadianMan_, ya read the link at the end...?

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Dr_willis:

http://scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?art . . . chanId=sa026

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CanadianMan__:

no i did not

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Dr_willis:

aparently the artical is a bit missleading.. due to the press sort of mixxing up words. :)

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Dr_willis:

But generating the whole image required up to 100 million pulses,

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Dr_willis:

I have a headach now...

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Dr_willis:

all this high-tech-partical-physic stuff is too much for this Agriacultural engineer.

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Dr_willis:

night all

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CanadianMan__:

later man

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robbins87:

Anyone here have a box hooked up to a high-def, wide-screen TV?

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williammanda:

nope

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williammanda:

does anyone have ubuntu setup with mythtv?

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robbins87:

my roommate does

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williammanda:

i need some advice on the instructions for the ubuntu install...

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williammanda:

at one point...

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williammanda:

it says the database will be installed and the process is ready for mythtv-setup..

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williammanda:

but it isn't

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williammanda:

it can't find the database

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williammanda:

xris...thanks for the knoppmyth...

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williammanda:

got it going earlier

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xris:

williammanda: that's not ubuntu

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williammanda:

i know....working on another install on this computer

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williammanda:

trying out different setups

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xris:

ok. anyway, I think with the ubuntu stuff, there's a bug in the packages where things freak out if you don't have mysql installed/running first.

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williammanda:

it tells you to install mysql & mythtv at the same time

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williammanda:

doesn't need to be in a dir called database?

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xris:

huh?

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xris:

is mysql installed/running?

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williammanda:

yes mysql is running

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xris:

and the mythtv packages are installed?

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williammanda:

yes them too

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xris:

find mc.sql

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williammanda:

i did

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xris:

then run: mysql -u root -p < path/to/mc.sql

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xris:

brb

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juski:

morning

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purserj:

afternoon

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SeaWeed:

hello all

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x86:

hey guys

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purserj:

hey, I've noticed the same issue by the way

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purserj:

usually with divx or xvid files

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x86:

i've got a problem in MythVideo, where if the player is mplayer, it wont respond to the remote nor keyboard

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x86:

purserj: avi and friends use mplayer

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SeaWeed:

got a question can some 1 point me in rite direction to make a "nexus-s" remote work in lirc for mythtv ?

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purserj:

mpeg and similar work but not .avi

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purserj:

that would be why then

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x86:

i cant pause, rewind, fast forward, or even stop playback

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finley:

what settings should i use for DVB HDTV for Comcast in Chicago area? QAM 256/64, etc...

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x86:

purserj: yep

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purserj:

hmmm, I wonder if mplayer displays the same behaviour outside of the myth environ

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x86:

purserj: mpeg and similar are using the "internal" player

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x86:

purserj: so myth isn't handing over keyboard control or LIRC events to mplayer then?

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juski:

x86: sounds like a window focus problem. use a window manager if you're not already

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x86:

juski: yeah i'm just running the frontend as the window manager

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x86:

hmm

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purserj:

juski: hmm that would make sense, I'm basically just starting X and attaching the frontend process to the display

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x86:

ok then, i'll try that

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x86:

purserj: same here

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finley:

have had a really hard time finding good information on this

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x86:

finley: TIAS?

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purserj:

finley: sorry can't help you, I'm in Aus

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finley:

aus tx? or aus down under

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juski:

finley: just use dvb-utils' scan

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purserj:

Aus down under, we have cattle stations bigger than texas ;)

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finley:

trying the scan within mythtv, but iterating through all the possibilities is a pain, and thus far has been fruitless

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finley:

yeah, yeah. ;-)

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juski:

finley: dvb utils

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finley:

i'll try that

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juski:

I believe it's called atscscan

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juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PcHDTV_H . . . _for_Signals

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x86:

man i really need to setup a different box to be a dedicated backend...

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x86:

having the frontend on the same box as the backend is totally weak :(

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x86:

i dont know how these little DVR units (tivo, replaytv) can handle it so well

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finley:

that's the wiki page i've been working from today

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finley:

got this pchdtv card a year ago, just now getting a chance to hack at it again

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juski:

tivo & replaytv have hardware dedicated to decoding, that's how x86

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purserj:

my back/frontend both run on the same machine, no problems so far

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x86:

juski: ah, and the PVR-500 only has encoding hardware

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x86:

juski: so i'd need a 350 to get the hardware decoding, eh?

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juski:

x86: yeah but if I were you I wouldn't

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x86:

juski: what kind of hardware decoder card would you recommend, and are there any that are USB that are worth a crap?

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juski:

besides, tivo & hardware PVRs don't do stuff like transcoding & commercial flagging

[06:45:25]

juski:

x86: I don't recommend hardware decoders – anyway they're unecessary if your machine is powerful enough or you don't do cpu hogging operations 24/7

[06:46:08]

juski:

if you have a machine with > 1Ghz CPU then you don't need a pvr350

[06:46:32]

juski:

the advantages of going with a pvr350 card are outweighed by the disadvantages

[06:47:03]

juski:

1. they don't decode divx/xvid/wmv .. they only decode mpeg2, so no help playing transcoded recordings

[06:47:28]

juski:

2. none of the developers use pvr350s anymore, so if output code breaks it's likely to never get fixed

[06:48:01]

juski:

3. they only do mpeg playback decoding, so all your music will still likely come out of your soundcard anyway

[06:48:05]

Aurelius:

i playback on my 733 heh

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juski:

4. they have no digital audio output

[06:48:41]

juski:

so... don't buy one!

[06:49:06]

juski:

and for the record, there are no other hardware decoders mythtv supports, nor are there likely to ever be

[06:51:03]

juski:

finley: unless you're trying to scan from cable tv, you should have selected 8-VSB as the signal type in mythtv-setup

[06:51:22]

juski:

says so in that wiki page you said you've been reading

[06:51:22]

finley:

cable tv is exactly what i'm trying to scan

[06:51:50]

juski:

has the thought crossed your mind that the cable doesn't have any digital on it?

[06:51:58]

finley:

heh.

[06:52:07]

finley:

i can watch them in HD via my cable box

[06:52:15]

juski:

or at least, no digital you can receive with that card – i.e. a non-propriatary box....

[06:52:56]

finley:

and the local channels, which are available via my cable in both HD and non-HD, should be unencrypted from what I understand

[06:52:57]

juski:

not all cable providers make the signal available to other hardware (stuff not provided by the cableco)

[06:53:09]

finley:

while other things, like specialty channels may be encrypted

[06:53:24]

juski:

oh so they *should* at least carry what you get OTA on the cable?

[06:53:33]

finley:

right

[06:53:35]

finley:

exactly

[06:53:52]

finley:

seems like there's a US law in effect or about to go into effect that requires that

[06:54:41]

finley:

however, i haven't been able to find any info on the cable provider's site (http://comcast.com) about this level of detail on their HD service

[06:54:53]

juski:

I think it's unlikely they use qam64 for HD channels

[06:55:05]

finley:

k

[06:55:15]

juski:

finley: well, have you tried *asking* them?

[06:55:36]

finley:

i started scanning at qam256, but nothing via mythtv's scan

[06:55:43]

finley:

doing the atscscan right now

[06:56:30]

finley:

juski: this is one of those organizations where you kind of dread making that kind of call — to ask for detailed technical information.

[06:56:39]

finley:

but, perhaps i'll need to do that next.

[06:56:52]

** finley still scanning **

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juski:

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Aurelius:

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachm . . . 238850A1.pdf

[07:02:02]

Aurelius:

in case anyone wants the source of the firewire stuff

[07:02:17]

Aurelius:

i can find the actual RM stuff if anyone wants

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fusion^:

../../libs/libmyth/libmyth-0.20.so: undefined reference to `QPainter::save()' <- i get lots of these

[07:08:44]

fusion^:

is it easy to resolve this? :)

[07:09:53]

kambei:

I am playing with an HDTV monitor and it seems to have some kind of overscanning of the picture. Is this normal for an HD set?

[07:10:02]

juski:

kambei: yup

[07:10:05]

kambei:

Really?

[07:10:15]

kambei:

Why/

[07:10:19]

kambei:

Why would it overscan?

[07:10:29]

juski:

probably not on a HD monitor, but likely on a HDTV set

[07:10:32]

kambei:

I'm losing like, 5% of the picture

[07:10:35]

juski:

overscan is here to stay

[07:10:38]

kambei:

It is an HDTV set.

[07:10:45]

juski:

yeah it'll overscan

[07:10:46]

kambei:

So this is not a defect?

[07:10:53]

juski:

you're lucky it's not more than 5%

[07:10:54]

Led-Hed:

anyone here having success with MythTV on Ubuntu Edgy or FC6?

[07:11:05]

juski:

kambei: no it's not a defect

[07:11:12]

kambei:

juski: What's the point of overscan? Why would I want that?

[07:11:30]

Led-Hed:

kambei, to have the image fit the screen

[07:11:30]

juski:

kambei: so you don't see crap in the picture the broadcasters don't want you to see

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juski:

check the mythtv wiki page about overscan

[07:11:52]

kambei:

Okay.

[07:12:07]

juski:

it's a historical thing mostly, but it's still around because of the broadcasters & TV set makers

[07:12:25]

juski:

mostly because users tend to complain if the screen isn't being filled

[07:12:28]

kambei:

juski: Okay, so, if the screen is 1366x768, what am I seeing?

[07:12:40]

juski:

less!

[07:12:43]

kambei:

Am I seeing that size, or am I seeing something like 1280x720?

[07:13:10]

juski:

I don't know how much you're seeing. Nor can I know

[07:13:23]

juski:

you say 5% but you don't know for sure

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fusion^:

75% of percentages are made up

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kambei:

I'm just estimating, what I'm asking is, does it have that many pixels, or does it have fewer pixels than 1366x768, and it's designed to show a subset of that resolution?

[07:13:49]

fusion^:

i just made that one up even

[07:13:52]

kambei:

That's my question.

[07:13:58]

juski:

make a test graphic & display that full screen

[07:14:41]

juski:

make a file 1366x768 with markers at 2.5%, 5%, 10% & see where the markers lie when you show it full size on the TV

[07:15:18]

kambei:

Now, this might be a dumb question, but I assumed that an HD signal would be displayed on a 1 to 1 pixel basis. Is that not the case?

[07:15:39]

Led-Hed:

kambei, I dont think VITC is part of HDTV broadcasts so you mignt not need Overscanning

[07:15:53]

kambei:

Led-Hed: VITC?

[07:16:03]

Led-Hed:

Pronounced Vitsy

[07:16:34]

kambei:

That is the time code, right?

[07:16:35]

Led-Hed:

Its the Black and White Bars at the top and bottom of your screen that you see when your TV image doesnt fit your screen

[07:16:43]

Led-Hed:

correct

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juski:

VITC/ VBI data ...

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juski:

blank lines....

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Led-Hed:

BBIAM

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kambei:

So, all HDTV sets have overscanning?

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juski:

probably

[07:18:15]

juski:

HD monitors & projectors don't do it AFAIK

[07:18:32]

juski:

the bottom line is:

[07:18:35]

juski:

TVs overscan

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kambei:

Okay.

[07:18:48]

kambei:

Well, thanks to both of you for the education.

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fusion^:

i've seen sets that chop off like stock tickers and things off the bottom of the screen ;)

[07:18:55]

juski:

kambei: I'm making you a test graphic cos I hae nothing else to do

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fusion^:

i was thinking that'd be preferable behavior :)

[07:19:11]

kambei:

juski: Heh, I can make it, you don't need to go to the trouble.

[07:19:20]

kambei:

juski: I've already started.

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briand:

are we forced to load that web page to read the mail message, just to determine what the heck you're talking about?

[07:26:27]

briand:

what patch?

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fysa:

haha

[07:26:29]

fysa:

sorry.

[07:26:37]

fysa:

CoreAVC for Myth.

[07:26:48]

fysa:

Someone made a DirectShow patch..

[07:26:57]

juski:

kambei: www.juski.co.uk/Image1.png

[07:27:10]

briand:

ah.. i see... and vaguely remember it. I'm not running it here.

[07:27:24]

juski:

fysa: ffmpeg is catching up

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fysa:

is it?

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juski:

slowly but surely

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fysa:

Do I need to update ffmpeg on my system apart from myth?

[07:27:53]

briand:

hiya, xris

[07:28:00]

juski:

dont think so

[07:28:01]

xris:

damn, that reboot took way too long. stupid fsck and hard drive corruption.

[07:28:21]

fysa:

I have some x264's that aren't playing quite right. Green blocks..

[07:29:04]

juski:

xris: www.juski.co.uk/mythsite10.png :)

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juski:

hi, btw!

[07:29:13]

xris:

you know you're a geek when you have a UPS with two surge suppressors and another UPS (not on the battery plug) coming out of it. and another surge suppressor coming out of the second UPS's no-battery port.

[07:29:32]

juski:

surge suppressing the UPS? my word!

[07:30:10]

xris:

well, cord wasn't long enough to go into the wall

[07:30:16]

juski:

surely if the UPS doesn't give enough protection isn't it time to have a quiet word with the power company?

[07:30:19]

fysa:

Isn't it not good to run a surge suppressor off of a UPS?

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xris:

fysa: they're running off of the "protected, but no battery" ports.

[07:30:39]

fysa:

ah

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xris:

and surge suppressor is fine. you just don't want a ups plugged into the battery-protected outlet of another UPS

[07:31:01]

juski:

that'd be a bit silly

[07:31:11]

juski:

a UPS for a UPS....

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xris:

juski: the edges of the white area need help, but I don't know what should be done.

[07:31:25]

xris:

juski: it happens sometimes...

[07:31:28]

juski:

xris: I've tried & the only thing would be to make the shadow darker

[07:31:31]

xris:

usually by acident

[07:31:48]

juski:

or.. draw the shadow separately

[07:32:03]

Led-Hed:

I've installed myth on Ubuntu and I cant get it to play smoothly.

[07:32:18]

xris:

juski: what about moving the shadow to the light blue area instead of the left side of the white (leave it on the top of the white)

[07:32:22]

Led-Hed:

I've tried the nVidia 8776 and 9631 drivers with no luck

[07:32:25]

juski:

Led-Hed: installed your video card drivers?

[07:32:50]

Led-Hed:

juski, I get better performance from the open source "nv" driver

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juski:

xris: you're good :)

[07:33:23]

fysa:

you just said you have poor performance.

[07:33:28]

juski:

Led-Hed: seriously? that must suck

[07:33:28]

Led-Hed:

I know its not the hardware, because I've had this same hardware running perfectly on FC4

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fysa:

how can it be 'better' from the open source driver?

[07:33:48]

** xris waits for the image... and goes back under the desk to tie off some more wires. **

[07:33:55]

Led-Hed:

fysa, it is

[07:34:54]

Led-Hed:

Open Source drivers I only get approx 35% CPU usage, with the "nvidia" (Closed Source) CPU is between 75% – 90%

[07:35:37]

Led-Hed:

I've tried installing the drivers from packages and from the nvidia-installer

[07:35:41]

Led-Hed:

no luck

[07:36:03]

Led-Hed:

and "glx" is loading

[07:36:12]

Led-Hed:

testes it with glxinfo

[07:36:15]

Led-Hed:

tested

[07:37:24]

juski:

xris: mythsite11.png uploaded

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** Led-Hed wonders how many pieces his computer will break into when he chucks it off the balcony **

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juski:

I think it's very noble, what the open source nvidia guys are doing, but it's never matched up to the binary driver IMHO

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Led-Hed:

juski, agreed

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xris:

juski: I think it looks pretty good

[07:40:34]

Led-Hed:

I just wish I could get the damn thing to play smoothly

[07:41:02]

xris:

juski: center the mythtv logo so that it lines up with the trough area

[07:41:06]

Led-Hed:

that and LIRC on Ubuntu Edgy is a bitch!

[07:41:12]

alsoconfused:

Led-Hed: which card?

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Led-Hed:

GF 440 MX

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juski:

xris: refresh

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juski:

Led-Hed: anything where you have to configure & build something is a bitch in ubuntu

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alsoconfused:

i have two of those in my machine. gave up on 8xxx and 9xxx drivers. 7184 works nice

[07:42:37]

Led-Hed:

alsoconfused, I've used the 8776 and 9631 drivers which lists the 440 MX as a supported card

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xris:

juski: I like it. :)

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Led-Hed:

alsoconfused, I'll try that one.

[07:43:17]

alsoconfused:

Led-Hed: yeah, it Should work. And I should be married to Michelle Pfeiffer.

[07:43:29]

Led-Hed:

though the 8776 works great on my other 4 frontends. (FC4)

[07:43:42]

xris:

juski: now we just need to get some actual content for the buttons, etc.

[07:43:43]

alsoconfused:

but which cards do they have?

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Led-Hed:

alsoconfused, 440 MX (x3) and a TI 4200

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juski:

content? ooo I don't do content

[07:44:17]

juski:

;)

[07:44:26]

xris:

heh

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xris:

I need to figure out how best to integrate that menu layout into trac, the wiki AND the main mythtv.org site.

[07:44:58]

alsoconfused:

Led-Hed: 87xx was almost usable, but i got some stuttering, especially with xvmc.

[07:45:42]

xris:

I really almost want to just run everything through the wiki, but isaac doesn't want that.

[07:45:48]

Led-Hed:

alsoconfused, same here, but libmpeg2 driver works well

[07:46:34]

** Led-Hed installs the nvidia-glx-legacy package **

[07:47:05]

Led-Hed:

BRB

[07:47:08]

juski:

xris: been thinking about the front page. I think a better explanation of what mythtv is & does would be a good idea

[07:47:59]

xris:

juski: same here. it definitely needs some kind of face lift in that department.

[07:48:26]

juski:

xris: I'm not saying 'marketing speak' but definitely a more friendly first impression ;)

[07:48:44]

juski:

I'll mock something up

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xris:

yeah. the current stuff is a little unprofessional. and dates back to when it was just isaac talking about "his pet project"

[07:49:33]

xris:

juski: here's what I came up with.. but it still needs more: http://newmyth.forevermore.net/

[07:49:38]

xris:

could do with some screenshots, too.

[07:49:46]

xris:

or at least one good one.

[07:50:09]

xris:

what we REALLY need is a screenshot of somewhere like isaac's tv room. couch, couple of people, projector with the mythtv main screen.

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xris:

er, photo.. not screenshot.

[07:50:49]

juski:

yeah...

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Led-Hed:

alsoconfused, what driver version are you using again?

[07:51:15]

juski:

I could try out some stock photos.. some can be had pretty cheap..

[07:51:37]

juski:

there are no such free photos, I've been looking for a long time

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alsoconfused:

Led-Hed: 7184

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juski:

man & woman looking v. happy, remote in hand watching mythtv in opulent livingroom

[07:52:07]

Led-Hed:

but that version says it only supports GF 256 – GF 3

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Led-Hed:

alsoconfused, what card are you using?

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juski:

or we could show the 'true' image as a mouseover... cut to picture of a guy pulling his hair out, the htpc in bits in front of him on the lounge floor

[07:53:02]

juski:

:-P

[07:54:12]

xris:

lol

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alsoconfused:

Led-Hed: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] two of them. one is rev a4, one is rev c1

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xris:

I kind of miss the "my mythbox" photos website that someone set up when I first started using mythtv

[07:54:54]

xris:

maybe I should add a wiki page

[07:54:59]

juski:

our forum has a gallery page

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Led-Hed:

alsoconfused, humm, wonder why nvidia says that 7184 doesnt support the GF 440 MX?

[07:55:26]

juski:

but they're mostly pics of box insides. yea that's fascinating

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xris:

heh

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xris:

yeah, these were pics of people's setups

[07:56:20]

xris:

tv, mythbox, etc.

[07:56:26]

juski:

ugh istockphoto is *cheesy*

[07:56:27]

xris:

though it just made me jealous.

[07:56:37]

** Led-Hed tries the 7184 driver despite nvidia **

[07:56:41]

Led-Hed:

BRB

[07:57:08]

xris:

I need to remember to clean my air intake filter more often. my computer is about 1/4 as loud now.

[07:58:14]

xris:

juski: one more thing to test on that image? turn the shadow on the right-hand section of the trough into a glare. (just curious what it looks like)

[07:59:50]

juski:

mythsite.png

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xris:

nope, not as good. oh well

[08:04:00]

juski:

so... know anyone who's good at interior photography, and a model-like couple? ;)

[08:05:45]

xris:

and also has a bigscreen tv and/or projector? nope.

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juski:

http://cache.corbis.com/CorbisImage/170/15/47 . . . 15473254.jpg hahaha

[08:06:28]

juski:

blank screen, looking fed up

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xris:

heh

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briand:

juski: i've done some professional photography in my time... but nobody wants to see a picture of *my* living room! (and I don't have a model-like couple anywhere nearby, anyway)

[08:07:59]

juski:

haha

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juski:

the problem with stock photos is that I get the impression I'm paying for the crap nobody is likely to use

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xris:

heh

[08:11:02]

xris:

yeah

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juski:

ugh... no accounting for taste.. http://theater.stevejenkins.com/gallery/complete/

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briand:

"ugh" is about the broadest understatement I've ever known you to use, juski

[08:16:19]

briand:

that's horrendous!

[08:17:12]

briand:

if it weren't for Yoda and the captions, I'd have thought it was a set of pictures from some cheap Bangkok bordello

[08:18:22]

xris:

someone has WAY too much money/free time.

[08:18:34]

briand:

and not nearly enough taste or good sense.

[08:18:37]

xris:

my home theatre is a 27" crt with a couch in front of it.

[08:18:39]

xris:

briand: that, too.

[08:18:59]

briand:

my home theatre is a 35" flatscreen crt with a couch in front of it.

[08:20:03]

H00chster:

is there a way to use nuvexport from within myth via the transcoding job menu?

[08:20:10]

juski:

maybe that guy had been to vegas or something

[08:20:11]

briand:

anyway.. i need to get some sleep... it's 3:20am here... g'nite all

[08:20:57]

defaultro:

folks, if I have unchecked channels that I don't want anymore in zap2it, how should we run mythfilldatabase so that it deletes those channels?

[08:21:19]

xris:

defaultro: probably easier to just delete them manually

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defaultro:

k

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juski:

wtf? searching this stock site for 'home theater' has given me results with pics of gordon brown & david blunkett

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xris:

heh

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juski:

www.juski.co.uk/Image2.png

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xris:

that's not too bad

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xris:

free photo?

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juski:

no not free

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juski:

I'll sign up with my junk email addy & find out

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juski:

Â£ 815.00 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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xris:

wtf?!?!

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juski:

they can f. right off

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xris:

yeah, no kidding.

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juski:

our design folks at work pay Â£50 for A0-sized photos (at most)

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juski:

btw that's only for 3 years' licence to use the photo

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xris:

geesch. that's f'd up

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juski:

go to hell alamy.com

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juski:

no wonder folks steal photos

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juski:

couple of dollars, no problem

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juski:

but that much?!

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xris:

blech

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juski:

this isn't bad but isn't populated: http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/life/ . . . p?id=2478384

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xris:

too expensive-looking.

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xris:

I'll talk to a photographer friend of mine tomorrow when he wakes up. might be able to get him to shoot him and his gf in front of their 55"

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xris:

I should go to sleep

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juski:

aye must be early where you are, and then some

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xris:

finally got my wife's workstation moved/rewired.

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xris:

of course, since then, she's just plugged her ibook into the monitor/keyboard.

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cmug:

Question, I have a Radeon 9600XT card with a DVI out, a VGA out and a S-Video out. I am currently using the DVI out for my monitor output. I was wondering about connecting the s-video to my television, my question is can I run mythtv solely on svideo output, so on TV it would always show the mythtv screen and use my DVI primary display for all else?

[10:12:49]

cmug:

more of a linux question maybe, sorry about that

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Agrajag-:

just have 2 X screens?

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Agrajag-:

or two separate X sessions even (no idea if the radeon driver would support that)

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cmug:

Agrajag-, yeah, 2 X screens sounds good, but is it possible

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visit0r:

sure

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cmug:

how do I give it input?

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Jack3:

ugh

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Jack3:

anyone around

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Jack3:

i screwed up my mythtv settings on knoppmyth and now i cant watch live tv

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Skooter:

Can someone help me on this one... http://groups.google.com/group/mythtv/browse_ . . . 85b0bf13496f

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Zider:

http://www.linuxdevices.com/files/misc/via_epiapx_1.jpg – damn that's a tiny board!

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cmug:

hmm, im running a frontend on 512MB 733MHz and I get X Error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation) 11 when I try to watch liveTV..

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cmug:

is that a permission problem or am I not supposed to be able to watch tv with 512MB?

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Zider:

I have 512MB and livetv worked

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cmug:

yeah as far as I know it should be more than enough

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Jack:

anyone know how tyo get knoppmyth mythtv settings back to normal?

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Neeesat25:

Strange thing happening. I using mplayer to play vdr and files are playable but I cannot fastforward or fastrewind or even exit mplayer

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gardengnome:

are you running a window manager?

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Neeesat25:

kde-devel

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Zider:

dedicated myth box?

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Neeesat25:

yes

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Zider:

kde is very overkill then

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Neeesat25:

The thing is that all other mpg files are playing ok

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Neeesat25:

only vdr ones has this problem

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stork:

hello, can mythtv watch dvds from an external usb dvd reader?

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Zider:

if linux finds it as a normal dvd reader, yes

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stork:

cool

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Zider:

pretty obvious :)

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stork:

any particular distro recommended for running mythtv?

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Zider:

any distro you're ffamiliar with

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tfm:

stork: no, check the wiki for all success

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Jack:

can someone help me?

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juski:

Jack3: nope

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Zider:

none of us can

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juski:

you've not said what's up yet have you?

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Jack3:

ah sory, i thought everyone was dead lol

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juski:

and mythbackend says...... ?

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Jack3:

oh wait a sec

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Jack3:

would livetv not start if it was currently recording

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rsdvd:

if you only have 1 card – then it can't do 2 things at once

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Jack3:

hmm

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Jack3:

i didnt schedule one but it said something about it in the mythbackend console

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Jack3:

so possbily

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rsdvd:

do you have mythweb? it will tell you the status of the cards

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Jack3:

i duno, depends on if i t came installed on knoppmyth

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juski:

maybe xbmcmythtv started a livetv recording & it crashed at some point, leaving the backend recording

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rsdvd:

probably did – try http://<IP of backend>/mythweb

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Jack3:

ah

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Jack3:

whats default user/pass

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rsdvd:

good question :-)

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rsdvd:

try mythtv/mythtv

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Jack3:

did

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Jack3:

oh i got it

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rsdvd:

actully it is mythtv for the user and you would have been propted for a password in the install

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rsdvd:

ok – click on 'backend status'

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Jack3:

yeh it says nothin in progress

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rsdvd:

well it is not that then :-)

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rsdvd:

what does it say when you try to watch Live TV

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Jack3:

nothing

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Jack3:

it goes black, then goes back to the menu

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rsdvd:

have you checked the logs?

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Jack3:

onesec ill post a log of the console

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rsdvd:

use a pastenbin – instead of messing up this channel

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spuck00:

Ok, so now I've got 2x Show folders in the mythvideo gallery browser, can mythtv make it one folder (like unionfs)? Rather have something in mythtv since one folder in on an external drive.

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Jack3:

yeh i know :)

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Jack3:

http

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Jack3:

err, http://pastebin.ca/330937

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rsdvd:

spuck00 : if you want to combine 2 directories across different physical drives you need to look at LVM (Logica; Volume Manager) or RAID

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rsdvd:

is this from your backend or the XBox?

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rsdvd:

it refers to "RemoteEncoder::openControlSocket(): Connection timed out" – so I am guessing it is looking on a remote machine for the LiveTV buffer

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Jack3:

thats the front end log

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Jack3:

ill do backend log to

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Jack3:

just a sec

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rsdvd:

do you have a split frontend / backend

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Jack3:

well i was going to run the frontend on an xbox, but i cant even get the frontend to run on the same box as the backend now

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Jack3:

which it was doing just fine before

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juski:

www.juski.co.uk/base.png :)

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rsdvd:

juski : is that your new theme?

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juski:

gonna be

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juski:

just doing some planning out

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rsdvd:

I prefer blootube – but everybody's tastes are differnt

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juski:

I prefer whichever is my newest theme usually :)

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rsdvd:

lol

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spuck00:

rsdvd: I've already done that with my internal drives. (with unionfs) Now I just want to make it look like the folder from my external harddrive (which is not always tuned on) is merged with the unionfs folder. :P

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rsdvd:

otherwise you woul dnot make them

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juski:

spuck00: what about symlinks?

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juski:

mythtv is a pvr app anyway, not a meeja center (sic) ;)

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Jack3:

lol my god somehow i screwed something even mroe up

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juski:

uh oh... a forum thread has pissed me off. I might have to go & take 5

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rsdvd:

spuck00 : if it is not always on – I would not advise linking it to a running filesystem with anything like lvm/raid/unionfs – symlinks will work – but not to combine 2 directories into 1

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Jack3:

now that i restartedthe backend it cant connect to 6543

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Jack3:

the mysql thing i think

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juski:

Jack3: check that you can connect to the database in a console

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rsdvd:

Jack3 : I think you have done something silly somewhere.........is mysql running?

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juski:

type mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg

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juski:

it'll ask you for a password, and you should know that password already

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juski:

but you're now at a prompt which says 'mysql' ?

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juski:

if so, the database & local privileges are fine and you can type exit then press return

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rsdvd:

but there shoudl not have been a 'shit load of stuff' ?

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Jack3:

err no

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Jack3:

its like a list off of commands and stuff

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juski:

pastebin

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Jack3:

ok

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Jack3:

question, how do i select text that is off the screen?

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Jack3:

for copying

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juski:

doesn't matter

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juski:

just copy what you can

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Jack3:

alright

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spuck00:

juski: rsdvd: Well symlinks would be more annoying then to have 2 seperate folders with my shows. Didn't mean I want to link the drives just make it look that way in mythvideo. Guess I'll have to go with 2 folders.

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juski:

if you use symlinked dirs you can still have myth flatten it all down to the file level if you want

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juski:

lordy, users are so damn finicky

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rsdvd:

:-)

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Jack3:

http://pastebin.ca/330945

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juski:

take the crumbs thrown down from the Gods & be thankful damnit

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juski:

Jack3: you must've had a typo

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juski:

mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg

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rsdvd:

juski : LOL

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** rsdvd bows down and worships **

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juski:

I'm not speaking as a developer – users getting stuff for free always want the frickin cherry on top

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Jack3:

typo?

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juski:

they're the bane of open source

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juski:

Jack3: yeah a typo

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Jack3:

where?

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juski:

mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg should not produce a syntax error

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rsdvd:

jack3 : the usage message you got means that it did not understand what you asks....hence a typo

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Neeesat25:

I have no control over mplayer though mythtv

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Neeesat25:

I can not fforward or FRewind or evn exit out of it

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rsdvd:

juski : his command is at the top of that pastbin – and looks fine

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Jack3:

well i dunno i dont see a typo in my copy paste so....

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juski:

this is what mine says: http://pastebin.ca/330947

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rsdvd:

anyway – I have to go! Jack3 – hope you fix it – I am sure Juski will owrk it out

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juski:

Neeesat25: not even with the keyboard? maybe use a better window manager

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juski:

or *a* window manager

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Jack3:

yeh mine usd to say that jsuki

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Neeesat25:

juski I use kde

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juski:

Jack3: so something very bad has happened

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juski:

Neeesat25: that sort of thing is usually a window focus problem

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juski:

Jack3: ps -ef |grep mysql

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Neeesat25:

hmm

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Neeesat25:

Any idea how to fix it?

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juski:

Neeesat25: whatever keys KDE uses to switch between windows, try those

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Neeesat25:

alt-tab

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Jack3:

http://pastebin.ca/330951

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juski:

anyway I have cooking to do

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juski:

Jack3: so mysql is running

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juski:

I think something is very wrong. try mysql -u root -p

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juski:

and if that still says you've got a syntax error, err... I dunno what you can do

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** juski goes to cook **

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Jack3:

juski

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Jack3:

you there?

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devnore:

damn... mythmusic hasn't been upgraded with the base system.. :(

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sebrock:

I need some help with ALSA, I got sound but I cant run alsamixer and see the levels on each channel (5.1)???

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sebrock:

Installed Ubuntu Edgy...

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sebrock:

Am I missing something?

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Zider:

isn't that more a question for #alsa ?

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sebrock:

ok I'll test there

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sebrock:

hum...

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sebrock:

no such channel :d

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Zider:

eh?

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Zider:

I'm there, so it does exist

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sebrock:

"alsa :That channel doesn't exist"

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sebrock:

strange now it worked

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sebrock:

Zider, maybe you can help me...

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sebrock:

when I run alsamixer I only see card / chip / view

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sebrock:

and nothing else

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sebrock:

view is set on [Playback]

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Zider:

have no idea, I never had any problems with it

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sebrock:

usually it should display some bars right?

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** pat_ sighs and posts to mythtv-dev **

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Jack3:

anyone here know why i cant wathc live tv anymore?

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Honk:

what's the problem, Jack3? :)

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Jack3:

front end /backend seem to running fine but i cant watch live tv

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Jack3:

and it was working earlier today but i screwed somethin up

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Honk:

check the console for error messages :)

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Jack3:

wheni click live tv screen goes black like its about to start then goes backto themenu

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Jack3:

well on the frontend console it says

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Jack3:

RemoteEncoder::openControlSocket(): Connection timed out.

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Jack3:

GetEntryAt(-1) failed

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Jack3:

EntrytoProgram(0@Wed Dec 32 16:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo

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Jack3:

TV Error: LiveTV not succesfuly started

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Lakeuk:

hi all

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Lakeuk:

anyone available to give some help to a newbie trying to get dma enabled on a knoppmyth setup

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gardengnome:

Lakeuk: read 'man hdparm', look for the -d switch

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stuarta:

afternoon all

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cmug:

If it has a tuner, its always a backend system?

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Lakeuk:

I've tried turning dma on but I get 'Operation not permitted'

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gardengnome:

Lakeuk: you'll need to run hdparm as root

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Lakeuk:

I did <ctrl><alt><f1> then logged in with user 'root'

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Zider:

sata drive?

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Lakeuk:

yes

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Zider:

then you can't set or unset dma

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Zider:

it's always on with sata drives iirc

[14:20:26]

sebrock:

when installing mythtv both backedn and frontend is all codecs and stuff included?

[14:21:27]

Lakeuk:

when I do 'hdparm /dev/hda/ it says 'using_dma = 0 (off)', through put is a low 4mb/ps

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sebrock:

anyone? or do I have to install all codecs separately?

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psofa_:

sebrock, yes

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psofa_:

all included

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psofa_:

but iirc there are some ./configure option

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psofa_:

s

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sebrock:

ok nice!

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cmug:

Lakeuk, hda is not a SATA drive, its propably your CD-Rom

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sebrock:

what is the name of the tv tool so I can check if my card works outside myth?

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gardengnome:

sebrock: xawtv, xine, kaffeine, mplayer

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sebrock:

which one is the easiest

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sebrock:

just gonna check the card

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rsdvd:

sebrock – depends on what card you are checking

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sebrock:

hauppauge

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rsdvd:

which – a PVR or a DVB

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sebrock:

HVR :|

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rsdvd:

arh – sorry – I can;t help with which is the best – nver used one

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rsdvd:

the HVR is the hybrid?

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rsdvd:

for the DVB/ATSC I would recommend Kaffeien as the best way to test it – as the scan for channels seems to just work without any messing

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rsdvd:

for the analogue / NTSC part I would just do mplayer -d /dev/video0

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sebrock:

Ill check that one

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Neeesat25:

juski are you around?

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sebrock:

gonna test mplayer

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Hoxzer:

MOiroooaaa

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Hoxzer:

MissÃ¤ vitussa paistis on?

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Hoxzer:

oops wrong channel

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Neeesat25:

Good luck with mplayer it doesn't wotk for me on vdr files

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rsdvd:

he is just testing if his card works – simply dumping the stream from the /dev/videoX

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Neeesat25:

Oh ok

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sebrock:

rsdvd -d was a unknown command

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rsdvd:

sorry – you dont need the switch ....jsut mplayer /dev/videoX....with whatever videoX you card uses

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sebrock:

brb

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sandeen:

anybody know anything about this new hauppague hvr-1600?

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sandeen:

hauppauge

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sandeen:

looks like digital hdtv tuner + hardware mpeg encoder for analog

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juski:

sandeen: the dvb part works but not the hardware mpeg yet

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sandeen:

hmmm

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sandeen:

so it's not a pvr-150 with a digital tuner eh

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juski:

not quite, no

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sandeen:

juski, any hope for the hardware mpeg, do you know?

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sandeen:

i really need 2 digital tuners + 1 analog but i'm slot-limited :)

[15:03:31]

rsdvd:

sandeem – why not use USB

[15:03:48]

sandeen:

for the analog side? maybe that 'd be good

[15:04:07]

juski:

sandeen: the analogue side will be supported in 8–9 months the v4l guys reckon

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rsdvd:

the USB PVR stuff seems to work

[15:05:13]

sandeen:

rsdvd, any recommendations for a good usb analog kit?

[15:05:23]

sandeen:

juski, do you have any idea if the hvr1600 supports QAM?

[15:05:32]

sandeen:

or is this stuff all already on the wikis...

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rsdvd:

no – sorry! i use PCI as I have a large case with lots of slots :-)

[15:05:48]

sandeen:

:)

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sandeen:

that may be my simpler solution eh

[15:06:09]

sandeen:

i only need analog for a couple channels

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rsdvd:

juski and I are both in the uk – you don't have QAM over here :-)

[15:06:25]

sandeen:

:)

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juski:

sandeen: no idea. it's not even on sale yet

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stuarta:

rsdvd: all dvb broadcasts in the uk are in QAM

[15:06:55]

sandeen:

juski, it is here

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juski:

afternoon stuarta

[15:07:01]

stuarta:

afternoon juski

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juski:

well, don't buy it for about 12 months then

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juski:

:-P

[15:07:22]

sandeen:

:)

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rsdvd:

stuart – are they? I have only heard it refered to in the US

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juski:

qam16 & qam64 in the UK

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juski:

when analogue is switched off it's all moving to qam64 at 8k

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rsdvd:

and hopefully HD if our petition works :-)

[15:08:36]

juski:

pah

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juski:

it won't

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rsdvd:

lol – democracy in action – you can petition but we will ignore it

[15:09:04]

juski:

but other than kidnapping the chair of OFCOM & 'persuading' him...

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rsdvd:

lol

[15:09:15]

juski:

it's all we can do

[15:09:30]

sandeen:

"Finally, the card supports only ATSC and does not support QAM."

[15:09:31]

sandeen:

hmm

[15:09:41]

sandeen:

but i may not trust that review; probably a windows driver limitation

[15:09:58]

juski:

look, just don't buy it

[15:10:07]

juski:

get a less lame motherboard with plenty PCI slots :)

[15:10:17]

sandeen:

:)

[15:10:28]

juski:

or use a nifty little box for a frontend & a behemoth as the backend

[15:10:30]

sandeen:

anybody make a dual-tuner hdtv card yet?

[15:10:39]

stuarta:

the other thing to remember that you won't have linux drivers for at least 6 months after it's widely available

[15:10:45]

sandeen:

juski, yeah some day I'll separate them but for now ENONETWORK and ENOMONEY

[15:11:21]

juski:

sandeen: don't forget the frontend can be diskless and the master backend needn't have a massive CPU for recording

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juski:

the frontend could be a slave tunerless backend too ;)

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sandeen:

for transcoding and the like?

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sandeen:

i've had so much trouble getting consistent performance on playback I think I need the behemoth on the -frontend- :)

[15:12:52]

sandeen:

my latest woe is audio dropouts after i've played about an hour of a program

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sandeen:

exiting back to the menus & restarting fixes it

[15:13:06]

sandeen:

I just wish I had some idea how to troubleshoot these

[15:14:12]

squish102:

if i have a windows frontend, can i boot into a vmware or boot cd that can help me do the myth archive to dvd functionality?

[15:14:20]

squish102:

i mean a windows box

[15:15:41]

sandeen:

squish102, i suppose so but sounds like more trouble than it's worth

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squish102:

i was just wondering, thanks

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** sandeen ponders a 450Mhz PIII for the backend **

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sandeen:

if only the cat boxes weren't behind the wall... if i put it back there it'd get nasty :)

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sebrock:

I try to change my default sound card, as ubuntus volumecontrolles does not respond to the right one with asoundconf set-default-card, but this does not work?

[15:19:50]

stuarta:

sandeen: nothing wrong with that if you are recording dvb and not wanting to commflag or transcode

[15:20:39]

sandeen:

stuarta, yep that's what I was thinking

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sandeen:

now to solve the catbox problem

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rsdvd:

juski posted about that a few days ago

[15:21:18]

sandeen:

stuarta, though commflagging would be nice

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sandeen:

but i can probably do that from a beefier frontend over a network right?

[15:21:55]

stuarta:

slave backend is what you are after :)

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stuarta:

which could also be a frontend :)

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sandeen:

riiiight

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sandeen:

now if I could just do hdtv wirelessly well.... maybe 802.11n bridges...

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stuarta:

it's not as bad as it sounds....

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sandeen:

i suppose transcoding & commflagging via nfs slows things down a bit

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stuarta:

mwuhahaha hdtv over wireless!!!!

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sandeen:

:)

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sandeen:

one can dream

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stuarta:

bah, better off with the new powerline ethernet, they are supposed to do up to 200Mb now

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sandeen:

hey the networks can get the signal to my house wirelessly ;-)

[15:24:14]

stuarta:

hah!

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sandeen:

powerline ethernet always kinda sounded like a bad idea to me, but...

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juski:

nah

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juski:

it's safe

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juski:

probably much safer than the nasty PSUs that come with cheap imported PC cases

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sandeen:

:)

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sandeen:

guess i was thinking more about noisy power throughout my house

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Neeesat25:

juski I have a video file which is not seektable. Have use the mythcomflag and rebuild it but still is not. Is there any other way to make it seektable?

[15:29:27]

juski:

Neeesat25: if mplayer can't seek within the file I don't think anything can

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Neeesat25:

hmm, ok

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juski:

silly VDR

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juski:

it's strange though because I wouldn't expect VDR to change the files it records natively

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juski:

there must be some kind of export tool if it *does* record its own file types

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Neeesat25:

too bad for me cause all my favour movies have been recorded to vdr format

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Neeesat25:

favour = favorite

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Neeesat25:

There is a tool in window$ which converts vdr to mpeg but still If I convert it I still have a file not seektable

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juski:

bad VDR !

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Neeesat25:

I have try mplayer xine Internal

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Neeesat25:

So why not trying vlc

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Neeesat25:

Thanks

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juski:

it's time to start work fleshing out neon-wide :)

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juski:

all this & my s100 is still lying on a bench in bits

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rsdvd:

juski : hav you done any more with compiling minimyth for the S100?

[15:38:11]

juski:

nope

[15:38:18]

juski:

been chilling & stuff

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rsdvd:

who was it that has built the GAR?

[15:38:33]

juski:

I'm in full-on graphics mode :)

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juski:

gardengnome:

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rsdvd:

thats right – do you know how he was going?

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juski:

quite well I think

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juski:

he's busier than I am though

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juski:

I have a totally free weekend next week – I might give the s100 some love then

[15:39:55]

rsdvd:

ok! I kind-of gave up, I thoughtI would wait till you guys got it working :-)

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juski:

not with gar though, just some linux or other

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juski:

maybe slack 10.2

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rsdvd:

'give the s100 some love' – you will get arrested (or electrocuted)

[15:40:42]

juski:

been zapped twice too many times off that bugger already

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rsdvd:

:-)

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juski:

rsdvd: what I've been doing: www.juski.co.uk/mythsite.png

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rsdvd:

O leave it with the top off in my office – hoping one of my staff will touch it :-)

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juski:

you'd get fucked by an ambulance chasing company faster than you could say "zzzzt!"

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rsdvd:

probably! but they are not supposed to be near it – so it would be their fault

[15:43:06]

rsdvd:

that link looks good – you must be in a graphics mood :-)

[15:43:40]

rsdvd:

design that channel list site you wanted – then we could work on populating it

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juski:

took me about a week to get it from mythsite1.png, trying to remember what the other one xris liked the look of

[15:43:50]

CanadianMan__:

does anyone use dvi -> component for tv output?

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gardengnome:

rsdvd, juski: yes, RL keeps me really busy at the moment and I didn't have my VGA cable this weekend (plus a fucked up router and ubuntu dapper not booting in virtualbox), so I didn't make any progress ;)

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rsdvd:

:-) if there is anything I can do to help the cuase let me know. But I am not that knowledgable when it comes to building stuff from scratch...if it is more than ./ocnfigure&&make I am screwed :-)

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: thanks :) i'll just need to sit down for a few hours and wrap my head around it. let's hope it'll happen soon :)

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rsdvd:

:-) well the offer is there – I have plenty of resource to actually compile stuff....if I only knew what to compile

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Neeesat25:

Nope still the same with vlc

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imperfect-:

Anyone know if it's possible to get mythtv content from vista?

[15:52:13]

juski:

imperfect-: MS encripples everything with DRM, so I doubt it

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rsdvd:

imperfect : vista is supposed to have a upnp client in it – you can get to the content that way

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juski:

oh THAT way

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juski:

ahhh

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juski:

media player 11 can allegedly do it.. or whatever the latest version is

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imperfect-:

Do you know how?

[15:54:14]

imperfect-:

I just installed vista on this bo

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imperfect-:

and it detects myth as a media thingy

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imperfect-:

which is creepy

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juski:

how do I know? I've heard tell

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stuarta:

imperfect-: that's the way it's meant to be...

[15:55:23]

imperfect-:

stuarta : What do you mean?

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stuarta:

the upnp stuff is supposed to present myth as a source of multimedia content to your network

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imperfect-:

Right

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imperfect-:

but I guess

[15:56:13]

imperfect-:

It's not working

[15:56:14]

imperfect-:

;_)

[15:56:16]

imperfect-:

or somehting

[15:56:23]

imperfect-:

I can see but there appears to be no content etc

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** stuarta pokes GreyFoxx **

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imperfect-:

Is there anything I need to do to configure the uPNP stuff?

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stuarta:

it's configured by default...

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imperfect-:

well

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imperfect-:

I see the thing, but not list

[16:05:57]

stuarta:

what version are you using?

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imperfect-:

.20-fixes

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imperfect-:

I see the server but no list of media or anything

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stuarta:

lot of changes went into svn to improve the upnp support

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stuarta:

as it's currently only under development.

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imperfect-:

So/..

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imperfect-:

.20-fixes doesn't have it?

[16:07:20]

imperfect-:

I'm fairly certain i went back to fixes

[16:07:44]

imperfect-:

I guess I'm confused as to how it will work

[16:07:51]

stuarta:

no. AFAIR the latest stuff is only in svn

[16:07:52]

imperfect-:

if I click the upnp server, I should see a list of my media?

[16:08:08]

stuarta:

you should

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imperfect-:

have you ever used it?

[16:09:37]

stuarta:

nope. one day i'll get around to it.

[16:10:37]

imperfect-:

Yeah I was using fixes

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imperfect-:

guess I'll reinstall

[16:10:41]

imperfect-:

;)

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stuarta:

make sure you've a DB back so you can go back

[16:11:03]

imperfect-:

That'll make my day

[16:11:21]

imperfect-:

have htey changed the schema again?

[16:11:27]

stuarta:

ffmpeg resync in the last few days

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Milosch:

rsdvd: fwiw, i ran vista here for a couple of days and only saw the device, no content

[16:16:37]

juski:

is it just me or is mythtv's UI engine really bad with overlaying transparent pngs ?

[16:17:35]

Milosch:

juski: i found a problem with the copy of blootube i have here, a couple of png's are referred to that do not exist, pgv-whatever instead of pg-

[16:17:49]

juski:

never mind he

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juski:

anyway.. that tells me ALL I need to know to fix it

[16:19:48]

Milosch:

heh

[16:20:23]

juski:

if you want it fixed today you have to tell me now

[16:20:57]

juski:

1. which theme exactly? 2. when did you download it? 3. what files are reckoned to be missing?

[16:21:29]

juski:

this is ignoring the fact I ask for emails describing problems. I do look in my spam filter every day ;)

[16:22:51]

Milosch:

hmm, newest files are dated 12–30...

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juski:

WHICH THEME?

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Milosch:

i have only pg- of those two, though there is pgv-background

[16:23:57]

juski:

lite-wide, -wide or 43 ?

[16:24:14]

Milosch:

blootube, 43 i suppose, definitely not wide

[16:24:34]

Milosch:

and excuse me, i am tabbing to the files to see

[16:24:49]

Milosch:

i only noticed this in the frontend log

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Milosch:

last night

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Milosch:

that's exactly what i did

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juski:

and it fixes it?

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Milosch:

i guess so, no more errors in the log anyway, i never noticed if there was a problem on screen

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juski:

emails are better for this.. they don't get lost in the static & there's a record you told me :)

[16:27:44]

juski:

you might've noticed that the arrows were missing

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Milosch:

the ones at the left side when a program started earlier in the guide, etc?

[16:29:03]

juski:

yeah

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Milosch:

ok, i see those still on another frontend, and have not made the change there

[16:29:28]

Milosch:

so that is odd

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imperfect-:

sure do wish I could figure this out

[16:29:57]

imperfect-:

I'd love to be able to watch my TV shows ;)

[16:30:04]

juski:

ahh shite

[16:31:07]

Dagmar:

imperfect-: The documentation is available 24/7 at www.mythtv.org

[16:31:21]

Milosch:

perhaps a double paste?

[16:31:50]

juski:

it's fucked now

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juski:

I had a version I was playing with on my backend

[16:32:14]

juski:

which is pretty broken. and I've now uploaded it over the top

[16:32:45]

Hobbiticus:

i think the wiki is having issues :(

[16:33:02]

sebrock:

anyone using LCDproc with a LC16M case?

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Milosch:

sebrock: no, have an antec fusion here...

[16:33:51]

sebrock:

k

[16:33:58]

Milosch:

maybe the same lcd?

[16:34:11]

juski:

well, blootube is totally screwed now & I've no means to get it back

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juski:

que sera

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Milosch:

mine is connected via usb, lirc_imon

[16:34:44]

stuarta:

oops

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Milosch:

juski: totally?

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juski:

guess I should call that theme discontinued

[16:35:26]

juski:

unless someone were to send me the tarball

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Milosch:

i have the original somewhere, i'm sure

[16:35:36]

juski:

I *really* need subversion

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juski:

Milosch: last change was Jan 7th

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Milosch:

7135660 2007-01–05 03:05 blootube.tar.bz2

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juski:

I have a local copy from 31/12/06

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Milosch:

325330 2007-01–07 23:00 blootube-osd.tar.bz2

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imperfect-:

heh

[16:36:59]

imperfect-:

great

[16:37:09]

imperfect-:

svn won't compile

[16:37:10]

imperfect-:

awesome

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juski:

Milosch: could you email me the tarball of blootube please?

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** stuarta looks **

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Milosch:

imperfect-: even with distclean?

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Milosch:

juski: sure, might take awhile by email

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imperfect-:

the plugins are failing

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stuarta:

you need the install phase first

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imperfect-:

hrm?

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imperfect-:

phase?

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stuarta:

cd mythtv; make; make install; cd ../mythplugins; make; make install

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imperfect-:

oh really?

[16:38:50]

stuarta:

always

[16:38:51]

Milosch:

that's svn for ya

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imperfect-:

I see

[16:39:04]

juski:

I bloody knew I should've re-grabbed my tarball to undo the changes

[16:39:05]

Milosch:

and why i have not updated in awhile...

[16:39:31]

imperfect-:

i'll be damned

[16:39:35]

imperfect-:

worked like a charm

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juski:

imperfect-: well known fact ;)

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imperfect-:

eh

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imperfect-:

;)

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Milosch:

juski: they're off

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Milosch:

to the gmail addr

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juski:

cheers

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sebrock:

You must have the kernel source or headers in /usr/src/linux that exactly match your running kernel.

[16:41:05]

juski:

only needed blootube.tar.bz2

[16:41:08]

sebrock:

how do I know this??

[16:41:08]

Milosch:

i'll take a Guinness ;)

[16:41:16]

juski:

I've got to set up a subversion server here

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** stuarta haX0rs juski's box and install svn **

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juski:

Milosch: I'll take a case of beer for making the damn thing in the first place

[16:41:45]

juski:

;)

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sebrock:

juski, Im sonn finished here, works great so far...

[16:42:04]

Milosch:

juski: sure, just break one off for me

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stuarta:

Milosch: you're buying

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sebrock:

Im about to install LCDproc now, how do I know this: You must have the kernel source or headers in /usr/src/linux that exactly match your running kernel.

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Milosch:

sebrock: dists vary, but ubuntu would have linux-headers-VER and linux-source-VER to match linux-image-VER

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Milosch:

unless you rolled your own

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juski:

with the change I mean

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Milosch:

juski: did i ask? i wonder why whole sections show twice in the xml file

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Milosch:

maybe that's for different windows, of course i have no idea

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juski:

programme guide

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juski:

and the programme guide with video

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Milosch:

ah

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juski:

and other repetition

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juski:

ui.xml is a fooking nightmare

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Milosch:

clunky, but whatever works, eh

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williammanda:

can anyone tell me how to setup a pchdtv card to analog channels?

[16:46:02]

williammanda:

i've tried a couple of different ways

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Milosch:

ah yes, my other frontend is a pvr-350, so no video window, just overlay

[16:46:12]

juski:

Milosch: clunky, only just works I think. it's a mess. I can hardly wait til the UI is reworked some more

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Milosch:

which is why i didn't notice it there

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Milosch:

too bad you can't do includes there

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juski:

damn right ;)

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Milosch:

;)

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Milosch:

almost like real programming

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sebrock:

how do I know this: You must have the kernel source or headers in /usr/src/linux that exactly match your running kernel.????

[16:48:46]

juski:

uname -r

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sebrock:

is that for me?

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juski:

no I just felt like saying uname -r

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imperfect-:

well

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imperfect-:

You'll be happy yo know svn at least lets me see the server now

[16:49:55]

imperfect-:

there's just no content ;)

[16:50:06]

sebrock:

well it displays the kernel, but thats not what I asked is it?

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juski:

sebrock: ls -al /usr/src

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juski:

then see if the numbers kinda match up

[16:51:04]

juski:

/usr/src/linux will be linked to a directory, whichever one it is, should be the same as your kernel version reported by uname -r

[16:51:24]

sebrock:

yeah looks about right, thanks

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juski:

this is weird though.. my regular (main) X server blends all the alphas really nice. the other – the one my big vnc server runs upon.. looks gash

[16:52:41]

juski:

wonder if it's a colour depth thing

[16:52:45]

Milosch:

vnc, eh

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zablalbaz:

hey all

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madfactor:

is it worth ungrading a 0.19 version to a 0.20?

[16:53:05]

juski:

yeah my nice tft isn't hooked up to the linux box

[16:53:06]

zablalbaz:

I was wondering if anyone could help him me with programming my remote?

[16:53:20]

zablalbaz:

I've gotten it working for the most part – just have a couple of annoyances to iron out...

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juski:

looks like silly season is starting up again. I'm off to watch some mythtv

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juski:

thanks for the headsup etc Milosch – but next time *please* email your observations ;)

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juski:

it's only user requests I put in the bin

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madfactor:

that was rude

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** zablalbaz is used to dealing with rude folks **

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** Dagmar anxiously awaits tears. **

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zablalbaz:

I don't ask questions unless I am stuck

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zablalbaz:

and have read the manual beforehand

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** stuarta finds the small DILLIGAF violin **

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Milosch:

juski: i only tossed that at you after seeing it late last night and having just gotten out of bed, so maybe next time

[17:00:23]

Dagmar:

zablalbaz: So how is it that you don't know to just ask the bloody question?

[17:01:18]

Milosch:

zablalbaz: iow, what's up?

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** zablalbaz just needs some help figuring out how to get the "LiveTV" button working **

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zablalbaz:

sorry for not just throwing it out there

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Milosch:

probably won't for what you might want, at least ime

[17:02:14]

zablalbaz:

hmmm...

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Dagmar:

You open up the mythtv source and start editing.

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Milosch:

zablalbaz: which remote is it anyway

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Milosch:

on my mce remote i used that for prev ch, since it seemed to be missing otherwise

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zablalbaz:

phillips RC6 – mceusb2

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Milosch:

yep, same one

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zablalbaz:

I'm trying to figure out if it is possible to change to LiveTV from say...watching a recorded show or DVD

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monkeyBox:

Hi all. I'm reading a howto that says "perform a proper channel scan in mythtv-setup". I'm in mythtv-setup, but I can't find where that's done??

[17:06:04]

Milosch:

zablalbaz: it would have to be possible as a keystroke as well, and i don't think it is

[17:06:27]

zablalbaz:

yeah...I noticed that when I was reading upon the keyboard commands

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zablalbaz:

that's really all I wanted to know

[17:07:15]

zablalbaz:

if someone knew of a way not in the documentation

[17:07:26]

Milosch:

like i said, though, my remote didn't have previous channel, so i assigned this button to it

[17:07:28]

robbins87:

Any of you guys familiar with hooking a mythbox up to a DLP, wide-screen HDTV? I'm having resolution issues

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Milosch:

might be better as favorites... hmm

[17:08:11]

sebrock:

hmm.. getting "permission denied" when trying to send something to my VFD?

[17:09:10]

monkeyBox:

robbins87, what resolution is your X running in

[17:09:40]

robbins87:

monkeyBox: it's currently in 1024x768 and it's stretched... but, this seems to be the only resolution that doesn't overscan

[17:10:30]

monkeyBox:

you'll want to configure X at the appropriate resolution

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monkeyBox:

for example, my widescreen is 1080p, so I have my res set at 1920x1080

[17:11:07]

monkeyBox:

1024x768 is 4:3, not 16:9 (widescreen)

[17:11:14]

robbins87:

monkeybox: it's 720p which, i believe, is also 1080i

[17:11:41]

robbins87:

and it connects through VGA, so i'm really confused as to why i'm having overscan issues

[17:12:30]

monkeyBox:

robbins87, what other inputs does your DLP have? does it have HDMI?

[17:12:47]

robbins87:

yeah, it does

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monkeyBox:

If so, I'd recommend getting a DVI to HDMI adapter cable

[17:13:19]

robbins87:

it's running off a box that only has VGA, its a little VIA Epia mobo

[17:13:45]

robbins87:

so, that's not really an option, unfortunately

[17:13:49]

monkeyBox:

robbins87, ahh. I had the same issues w/ the M10000

[17:13:55]

robbins87:

that's the board

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robbins87:

so, am i out of luck, then?

[17:14:21]

monkeyBox:

I couldn't get the M10000 to do widescreen resolutions

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monkeyBox:

robbins87, find out if your M10000 has LVDS support

[17:14:53]

robbins87:

LVDS?

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monkeyBox:

if it has LVDS support, then you can get a DVI output adapter for that

[17:15:30]

monkeyBox:

then you could do LVDS->DVI->HDMI (theoretically)

[17:15:41]

robbins87:

what does LVDS look like?

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monkeyBox:

It's hard to spot...

[17:16:06]

monkeyBox:

It's a little adapter on the motherboard

[17:16:28]

monkeyBox:

mine didn't come with one, which is why I just went to using a full PC

[17:17:03]

monkeyBox:

Even if you do get DVI working, you may find your M10000 too slow to play HD content

[17:17:28]

williammanda:

has anyone setup a pchdtv 5500 or a fusion hdtv5 rt gold card to pickup analog stations?

[17:17:55]

robbins87:

monkey: i'm not terribly interested in HD video, just getting the proper resolution set up on the box...

[17:18:02]

monkeyBox:

williammanda, I just got my pchdtv 5500 and am toying w/ it right now.

[17:18:39]

williammanda:

i get a blank screen when i select watch tv...

[17:18:54]

sebrock:

can someone help me with the venky.ws iMON VFD driver?

[17:18:58]

williammanda:

then it kicks back out the the menu after several seconds

[17:19:30]

robbins87:

i like long john silvers.

[17:19:38]

monkeyBox:

williammanda, I haven't tried analog channels yet

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monkeyBox:

williammanda, I actually don't need analog b/c all the channels I get right now I can get through QAM digital, and I only have basic service :)

[17:20:15]

williammanda:

are you setting yours up for OTA?

[17:20:28]

williammanda:

oh ok

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monkeyBox:

williammanda, right now I'm messing w/ getting QAM channels

[17:21:16]

monkeyBox:

I can get all the major networks in HD over QAM, as well as a TNT-HD.

[17:21:39]

monkeyBox:

I was kind of surprised I could get TNT-HD. although, I couldn't find Discovery HD :-( that's the one I was really hoping for.

[17:21:41]

williammanda:

i have a different situation...

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monkeyBox:

williammanda, do you currently have cable service?

[17:22:02]

williammanda:

i have analog cable vut it also has the local qam 256 stations

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monkeyBox:

williammanda, yeah, that's the same as my situation.. I get the local qam 256 stations as well, plus some others.

[17:22:53]

monkeyBox:

williammanda, which HOWTO did you follow to scan for your stations?

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williammanda:

but I can't get mythtv to work right with the qam 256 yet

[17:23:33]

williammanda:

i think it has to do with zap2it...

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monkeyBox:

I did a manual scan using dvb-scan, and then going through those individually w/ mencoder to find actual programs.

[17:24:15]

williammanda:

the zap2it doesn't have the channels mapped out to correspond to what the card picks up

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monkeyBox:

right. you have to do the mappings yourself, using the channel editor I believe

[17:24:52]

williammanda:

really....?

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monkeyBox:

you have to kindof figure out which channels are which by watching the content

[17:25:00]

williammanda:

tell me how then :)

[17:25:19]

monkeyBox:

williammanda, have you tried scanning for channels yet?

[17:25:40]

williammanda:

yes...both sd and HDTV

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monkeyBox:

was that using dvb-scan?

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williammanda:

my digital channels range from 790 – 11??

[17:26:15]

williammanda:

yes i set the card up as DVB

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monkeyBox:

well, this is the howto I followed:

[17:26:36]

snerfu:

I found on a wiki some info about getting the wiimote to work with mythtv. Does anyone know if I have to hook up that sensor bar too somehow?

[17:26:37]

monkeyBox:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Adding_Q . . . for_channels

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williammanda:

ok ty i will read it now

[17:27:18]

monkeyBox:

oops, start at the top (heh)

[17:27:26]

sebrock:

I got some errors when installing the VFD drivers...

[17:27:30]

sebrock:

is that bad?

[17:27:35]

sebrock:

or should it work anyway?

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monkeyBox:

williammanda, at the top it says you can do the channel scanning through mythtv-setup, but I haven't figured out how to do that yet

[17:28:16]

williammanda:

setup the capture card as DVB not pchdtv

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defaultro:

williammanda, the power adapter worked last night

[17:28:31]

williammanda:

great defaultro

[17:28:53]

defaultro:

yep, with minor issues like turning on the fan, it recycles

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sebrock:

where can I get help with the lcd driver?

[17:29:12]

defaultro:

don't know why, maybe becuase of 100mA

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williammanda:

it could be...but at least it works

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monkeyBox:

williammanda, heh, I just realized I didn'tbuild mythtv w/ dvb support :)

[17:29:48]

** monkeyBox goes off to recompile **

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williammanda:

really...what are u using?

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defaultro:

yep :) i used it last night for 10 mins, i was sweating

[17:30:18]

defaultro:

has anyone seen fryfrog?

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defaultro:

just want to know the status of GUID in firewire

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snerfu:

I have to steer everyone clear of buying a bestbuy insignia plasma tv. There are no HV sync specs anywhere including the manual to create a modeline with, I am stuck in 720x480.

[17:31:52]

Sembiance:

ouchie

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snerfu:

It works ok for the moment though.

[17:32:14]

Sembiance:

well... those are two things I tend to avoid 'plasma TVs' and 'best buy branded stuff' :)

[17:32:22]

sebrock:

juski?

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sebrock:

guys how do I search for channels with mplayer?

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mchou:

I just dont grok hauppauge

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mchou:

no qam.

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mchou:

lame

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Sembiance:

mchou: save yourself some PCI slots: http://www.silicondust.com/

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defaultro:

snerfu, you might want to try the default xorg configuration and then, don't specify false to useedid or don't even put it in in xorg.conf, then open Xorg.0.log and you will find out what the h,v is

[17:37:05]

sebrock:

gah!!! somebody!

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mchou:

Sembiance: does it support qam? :)

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S2:

sebrock, you don't search for channels with mplayer

[17:38:17]

Sembiance:

mchou: yes, a dual ATSC/QAM tuner

[17:38:19]

sebrock:

ok what then? picture is just gray

[17:38:31]

mchou:

Sembiance: what's the street price?

[17:38:54]

Sembiance:

mchou: $170 that's the price of one box. Each box has two tuners in it

[17:39:01]

cmug:

Hmm, my backend creates the livetv recording fine, on frontend only see a blue screen

[17:39:07]

S2:

sebrock, what picture? you can tune to a channel with mplayer. not scan for channels.

[17:39:20]

cmug:

ideas?

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sandeen:

mchou, really no qam or is that a driver limitation

[17:39:26]

mchou:

Sembiance: you have one?

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sebrock:

how do I tune?

[17:39:54]

Sembiance:

mchou: I had a nightmare with the PC HD5500 PCI cards. I finally got them working but it took forever, I didn't like them in general (their cost was expensive) and they were using valuable PCI slots

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mchou:

sandeen: hw limitation, based on hauppauge specs

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sandeen:

bah

[17:40:04]

Sembiance:

mchou: yes, I have one, and I just purchased a second, it's on it's way now

[17:40:07]

sandeen:

well taht is dumb

[17:40:08]

S2:

sebrock, looks like you really need to start from the beginning. google for mythtv howto and red :)

[17:40:17]

mchou:

Sembiance: where did you buy?

[17:40:17]

Sembiance:

mchou: The HDHomeRun boxes just plain work. They are really nice.

[17:40:27]

Sembiance:

mchou: http://www.9thtee.com/hdhomerun.htm

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rsdvd:

sebrock : you don;t 'tune' with mplayer – it just dumps the 'file' that is the card......use the ivtv stuff to tune

[17:40:35]

mchou:

bah. 9th tee

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Sembiance:

and MythTV has built in support

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sebrock:

thats nice... I got everything working except tvcard

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S2:

sebrock, what card is it?

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sebrock:

HVR-1300

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S2:

sebrock, dvb-s, dvb-t, analog?

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sebrock:

hybrid

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sebrock:

But I go for analog now

[17:41:57]

mchou:

Sembiance: then it would be perfect

[17:42:00]

S2:

sebrock, and what part do you want to use? the analog, or digital one?

[17:42:04]

sebrock:

I know this card is semisupported but it should work

[17:42:22]

sebrock:

analog

[17:42:37]

mchou:

Sembiance: it that slot in front for cablecard?

[17:43:13]

S2:

sebrock, ok. i would google for analog scan hvr-1300 linux and see what comes out

[17:43:17]

mchou:

Sembiance: be interesting if the thing really works with cablecard

[17:45:07]

sebrock:

well, for now I would first like to get the VFD working

[17:45:14]

sebrock:

could u help me with that?

[17:46:28]

Sembiance:

mchou: good luck with the cablecard thing

[17:46:35]

mchou:

Sembiance: lol

[17:46:54]

mchou:

Sembiance: seriously, is that what that slot is for?

[17:46:54]

Sembiance:

mchou: I read somewhere that it's so tightly controlled who can build things to use those that the odds that we'll ever see it in a generic computer type device is unlikely

[17:47:03]

Sembiance:

the cable card

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Sembiance:

the front slot? hrm...

[17:47:12]

Sembiance:

not sure :)

[17:47:30]

Sembiance:

just looked at mine, there is a black strip on the front, there are LED lights behind it

[17:47:47]

mchou:

Sembiance: ok, then it's not a cablecard slot

[17:47:58]

Sembiance:

no :)

[17:48:12]

Mixx`:

I've found that having Folding @ Home running while recording interferes with recording. Is there a way to identify the Folding process and stop/start it before/after recording?

[17:48:32]

Sembiance:

Our only hope, is that some rebel foreign manufacturer decides to hack up/reverse engineer/steal the cable card format and release hardware that supports it

[17:48:51]

mchou:

Sembiance: I aint paying $170 even for two tuners when comcast leases me a cablecard capable STB at $5/mo

[17:49:19]

mchou:

that's $60/yr :)

[17:49:30]

Sembiance:

mchou: well, that's fine if you want to use comcat's STB interface, controller... rely on comcast's STB... be limited to the storage/speed of those boxes

[17:49:40]

mchou:

Sembiance: huh??

[17:49:49]

Sembiance:

mchou: I for one am not anywhere close to being impressed by comcast's DVR

[17:49:55]

mchou:

I use myth storage just fine

[17:50:03]

mchou:

and it's not a dvr

[17:50:23]

mchou:

it's called firewire

[17:50:26]

Sembiance:

mchou: I paid $170*two for for FOUR HD Tuners, so I can watch TV when I want, how I want :)

[17:50:33]

cmug:

in preview the recorded livetv shows fine..

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mchou:

Sembiance: I just thought you told me 1 box was $170

[17:50:56]

Sembiance:

mchou: However if you want to continue to behind ream 'The Man' go for it :)

[17:51:02]

mchou:

(2 tuners)

[17:51:11]

Sembiance:

mchou: yes, I multiplied it by two though :)

[17:51:18]

sebrock:

S2, I tried to install LCDProc but I think something went wrong, how can I delete it?

[17:51:18]

Sembiance:

blah blah blah

[17:51:19]

mchou:

Sembiance: lol

[17:51:26]

Sembiance:

mchou: :)

[17:52:29]

mchou:

Sembiance: there is no 'the man' as long as the establishment provides competitive price and great features

[17:52:42]

S2:

sebrock, i don't know. i don't even know lcdproc

[17:53:06]

sebrock:

well is it possible to uninstall something by a command name?

[17:53:13]

Sembiance:

mchou: last I checked my Comcast DVR box has horrible shitty features :)

[17:53:17]

sebrock:

or check if its even installed

[17:53:20]

S2:

sebrock, depends on your distro

[17:53:26]

Sembiance:

with an equally junky interface

[17:53:29]

sebrock:

unubtu

[17:53:39]

mchou:

Sembiance: I just told you, I dont have a comcast dvr, dunno what you're ranting about

[17:53:40]

S2:

then run synaptic and remove it

[17:54:08]

mchou:

Sembiance: it's a comcast STB, not a pvr

[17:54:26]

mchou:

Sembiance: and it's hooked up to myth

[17:54:39]

Sembiance:

mchou: how does myth get video from it?

[17:54:48]

S2:

sebrock, but it also depends on how you installed it

[17:54:52]

mchou:

Sembiance: I just told you, firewire

[17:54:59]

Sembiance:

mchou: how does myth change channels on it?

[17:55:07]

mchou:

Sembiance: lol. firewire

[17:55:08]

sandeen:

mchou, I heard the comcast dvrs suck ;)

[17:55:09]

** sandeen runs **

[17:55:15]

Sembiance:

mchou: What's the model number of this box?

[17:55:18]

Sembiance:

brand/model

[17:55:19]

sebrock:

I followed a guide make make install but it generated some errors

[17:55:39]

mchou:

Sembiance: it's a motorola dct6200, iirc

[17:56:03]

mchou:

Sembiance: no problems at all

[17:56:04]

sandeen:

mchou, you can change channels on those via firewire too?

[17:56:12]

mchou:

yup

[17:56:17]

fysa:

DVD playback in Myth has never been as smooth as with xine -pfhq. Slow-pan shots have lots of 'jitter' in myth.

[17:56:20]

sandeen:

i thought it'd take an ir blaster... cool

[17:56:38]

fysa:

I'm pretty sure I have my drivers setup properly..

[17:56:40]

fysa:

what else could there be>

[17:56:40]

fysa:

?

[17:56:55]

sandeen:

fysa, i gave up on the internal player

[17:57:06]

sebrock:

S2 synaptic dont show anything

[17:57:17]

fysa:

sandeen, it's looking that way, isn't it?

[17:57:27]

S2:

sebrock, how did you install it then?

[17:57:30]

Sembiance:

mchou: What's the main purpose of this device? What does comcast call it?

[17:57:41]

fysa:

My problem is, what do I do about actually watching TV?

[17:57:41]

GreyFoxx:

What DVD's are you playing? Mine all playback smoothly, and I play a couple a day here

[17:57:48]

sebrock:

like so: http://venky.ws/projects/imon/#lcdproc

[17:57:52]

fysa:

I can't notice it on my TV, GreyFoxx..

[17:57:58]

fysa:

I only really notice it when I play back on the projector.

[17:58:03]

fysa:

Banlieu 13 is one.

[17:58:11]

S2:

sebrock, i don't want to read throug all that to help you

[17:58:12]

GreyFoxx:

NEver heard of that one

[17:58:20]

fysa:

"District B13" — cool french action movie.

[17:58:24]

sebrock:

it's 5 lines?

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GreyFoxx:

and I'm outputting to TV's only

[17:58:39]

sebrock:

S2, just look at it...

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fysa:

Can you give me an example of one that works for you?

[17:58:50]

fysa:

So I can test it here?

[17:59:51]

GreyFoxx:

Finding Nemo, Xmen 2, Xmen 3, All of the Stargate TV DVD's, all 3 back to the futures, both Toy Story, pirates of the carribean, hotel rwanda, sneakers, soldier, Hulk, shrek 1,

[17:59:54]

mchou:

Sembiance: the purpose of said device is to allow ppl to get HDTV :)

[18:00:13]

sebrock:

just want to check if its in any way installed

[18:00:18]

mchou:

with 'legacy' TVs :)

[18:00:20]

GreyFoxx:

fysa: Those are the ones currently sitting on my myth case as we've watched them in the last 2 weeks

[18:00:24]

Sembiance:

mchou: Your using it in a manner that 99% of the customers of comcast would not use it (ie hooking it up to a computer). So I'm wondering what comcast's main purpose is with the device

[18:00:36]

sandeen:

Sembiance, it's a set top box... geesh :)

[18:00:39]

sandeen:

it changes channels

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mchou:

Sembiance: dude, wtf you been?

[18:01:01]

sandeen:

it changes magical electrical signals into other magical electrical signals so you can see them on your magical screen

[18:01:05]

mchou:

Sembiance: ppl have been doing this for the last 4 yrs, iirc

[18:01:22]

fysa:

Perfect. I will test Pirates and get back to you.

[18:01:34]

mchou:

Sembiance: with myth for at least the last two

[18:01:43]

fysa:

I don't believe it's a driver/display-setting issue as xine plays smoothly on both projector (:0.0) and TV (:0.1).

[18:02:11]

fysa:

Maybe something to do with OpenGL or my deinterlacer settings..

[18:02:19]

sebrock:

god there must be away for this??

[18:02:28]

Sembiance:

mchou: I'm am astounded that comcast let that firewire port wide open. This is the first I've ever heard of an american cable company allowing it's subscribers to just record content onto a computer through a seemingly sanctioned method

[18:02:32]

sebrock:

what do you guys do when an installation fucks up?

[18:02:36]

Sembiance:

-am

[18:02:49]

mchou:

Sembiance: dude, firewire is mandated by federal law

[18:02:55]

sandeen:

Sembiance, it's an fcc regulation

[18:03:17]

Dr_willis:

my cable company just looked at me funny when i asked about firewire...

[18:03:25]

mchou:

Dr_willis: lol

[18:03:40]

Dr_willis:

Im guessing they are still usign the old box's at this time.

[18:03:52]

Dr_willis:

at least the ones they gave me to use are way old and huge..

[18:03:52]

sandeen:

http://digital-lifestyles.info/fcc-requires-f . . . t-top-boxes/

[18:03:55]

Sembiance:

well, thank god for federal law

[18:03:57]

mchou:

Dr_willis: who is your cableco?

[18:04:01]

Dr_willis:

Insight

[18:04:07]

Sembiance:

without that law you would NOT be able to talk to that box via firewire.

[18:04:10]

mchou:

Dr_willis: where you live?

[18:04:17]

Dr_willis:

Indiana, kokomo

[18:04:33]

mchou:

Dr_willis: go kick insight's ass with fcc

[18:05:08]

Dr_willis:

wife has both digital box's upstairs anyway. :) i just get the normal/low channels down here.

[18:05:31]

Dr_willis:

only a few channels id want to record anyway.. but i got so much stuff to watch as it is.. perhaps some day

[18:05:37]

mchou:

Dr_willis: are you a real MD?

[18:05:44]

Dr_willis:

I wouldent be suprised if they had the new box's – but they charged more for them. :)

[18:05:50]

Dr_willis:

mchou, im a Dr of Love.

[18:05:52]

Dr_willis:

:)

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mchou:

Dr_willis: fsck that

[18:06:36]

mchou:

Dr_willis: you got love potion #9?

[18:06:46]

sandeen:

Dr_willis, try http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire#FCC_regulations

[18:06:47]

sebrock:

could someone look at this; http://www.pastebin.ca/331231

[18:06:54]

S2:

sebrock, go in the source directory and tipe "make uninstall"

[18:07:14]

Dr_willis:

and you have a HD subscription and a HD cable box

[18:07:20]

sandeen:

mchou, of course then you only have one tuner right :)

[18:07:21]

mchou:

Dr_willis: real MDs can kick cableco ass :)

[18:07:22]

Dr_willis:

Im not sure if they even have HD cable box's :)

[18:07:40]

Dr_willis:

i see a mention or 2 of hd channels – but those are extra i belive also..

[18:07:41]

S2:

sebrock, but you should really get basic linux skills before going on, i guess...

[18:07:44]

sebrock:

S2, a lot of "nothing to be done"

[18:07:53]

mchou:

sandeen: you can get as many as you want ($5/mo, iirc)

[18:07:57]

S2:

sebrock, it's ok then

[18:08:10]

mchou:

sandeen: each

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sebrock:

S2, this is learning, I already got sound and a lot of other stuff working, can't expect me to be superb right away

[18:08:55]

sebrock:

S2, if you look here; http://www.pastebin.ca/331231 what is this telling you?

[18:08:55]

S2:

sebrock, it's ok to learn. but get a teacher, or read a lot of manuals :)

[18:09:06]

sandeen:

mchou, hm, of course

[18:09:17]

sebrock:

well, I did, I read up on this but the guide must be wrong

[18:09:27]

Sembiance:

mchou: If you already have 100% HDTV DVR recording through this firewire-comcast box setup, why are you even looking into HDTV tuners?

[18:09:28]

snerfu:

I found on a wiki some info about getting the wiimote to work with mythtv. Does anyone know if I have to hook up that sensor bar too somehow?

[18:09:43]

S2:

sebrock, I am not going to build a mythtv box for you :)

[18:10:02]

mchou:

Sembiance: who said I was looking? I just commented on hauppauge being dumb is all

[18:10:16]

sebrock:

Im not saying, but this channel is for support I guess, Im just asking what all those warmnings are

[18:10:18]

** sandeen grins **

[18:10:28]

mchou:

and when the price is $60, that becomes competitive with comcast STB

[18:10:55]

mchou:

Sembiance: that's the only reason I was even mildly interested

[18:11:17]

Sembiance:

mchou: How many channels can these boxes tune at once?

[18:11:22]

mchou:

Sembiance: of course hauppauge not supporting QAM makes it all moot

[18:11:50]

sandeen:

Sembiance, 1

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mchou:

Sembiance: each box has one hybrid tuner

[18:12:09]

DrakGuy_:

Anyone in here have experience with mytharchive ??

[18:12:15]

sandeen:

mchou, fwiw my dvb card says no qam either... but it does work.

[18:12:32]

Sembiance:

mchou: So if you wanted to record 5 shows at once.. you'd need 5 set-top boxes? $5/month per box? or?

[18:12:34]

mchou:

sandeen: which dvb card is this?

[18:12:42]

mchou:

Sembiance: yup

[18:12:58]

sandeen:

mchou, a fancy-schmancy kworld atsc-110

[18:13:14]

mchou:

or just get the comcast DVRs which come with 2 tuners each and pipe via firewire :)

[18:13:16]

Dr_willis:

Given the # of repeated shows i see on a normal lineup.. i would be amazed if i could find 5 shows on at ONE time that i wanted to see. :)

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jasonwc:

Does anyone here use Comcast Cable in Central NJ? I would like to know what HD channels are broadcast unencrypted.

[18:13:42]

mchou:

jasonwc: that's easy to find out

[18:14:04]

mchou:

jasonwc: go to your local comcast office and get a line up card

[18:14:17]

mchou:

jasonwc: they will tell you

[18:14:22]

jasonwc:

mchou: ok, great

[18:14:32]

sandeen:

mchou, really? :)

[18:14:38]

** sandeen learns something every day **

[18:14:44]

sandeen:

I sent email asking them that same question and got no answer

[18:14:59]

sandeen:

the lineup card will tell you which are in the clear?

[18:15:09]

jasonwc:

mchou: I used their site to find the HD lineup. I just wasn't sure what was encrypted. I read that the FCC mandates all broadcast channels must be unencrypted but I read online that Comcast was encrypting CBS.

[18:15:13]

Dr_willis:

id be suprised they would even list such info. :)

[18:15:25]

mchou:

sandeen: nope. the card doesnt tell you which are in the clear, but the cableco will

[18:15:26]

sandeen:

jasonwc, in my area cbs is in the clear

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Sembiance:

Dr_willis: I've needed 5 at once before. WHen the new shows come out, the major networks pack their schedules. If you want to check them all out just to see if they are your cup of tea or not, it takes a lot of tuners :)

[18:15:58]

Dr_willis:

Sembiance seems every time a new show comes out or a new ep. they always play it 4 times during the day.

[18:16:07]

sandeen:

jasonwc, do you have a digital tuner? I bought one as the first mythtv item just to see what I could get

[18:16:13]

Dr_willis:

but that may just be how scifi/nego/cartoonnetwork does it. :)

[18:16:18]

sandeen:

turns out I could get what I wanted to I built the rest :)

[18:16:23]

mchou:

Dr_willis: why?? it's not in the cableco interest to keep such info 'private'

[18:16:35]

Dr_willis:

I record a great many shows and rarely have clnflicts

[18:16:46]

Dr_willis:

mchou, when in doubt 'dont tell any more info then you have to' :)

[18:16:48]

mchou:

Dr_willis: cause they dont want fcc smack down

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jasonwc:

sandeen: What can you get?

[18:17:07]

Dr_willis:

the fcc demands they put a 'star' by the channels that are not encrypted? :)

[18:17:12]

Bernardo:

hi

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jasonwc:

sandeen: I'm looking into purchasing an air2pc

[18:17:25]

mchou:

jasonwc: why?

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Dr_willis:

but heck – i dont even havd HD stuff yet.. so its all moot for me.

[18:17:43]

sandeen:

jasonwc, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Working_ . . . 16_-_Comcast

[18:17:46]

mchou:

jasonwc: what's street price of air2pc these days?

[18:18:27]

mchou:

jasonwc: bah. that's still pricy

[18:18:37]

jasonwc:

mchou: what would you suggest?

[18:18:42]

mchou:

but it beats $189

[18:18:50]

sandeen:

i got mine for $32 with google checkout & rebate... if the rebate comes through :)

[18:18:52]

mchou:

jasonwc: where you live?

[18:18:56]

sandeen:

the kworld cards are about $70 normally

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jasonwc:

mchou: NJ, but i'm in MA now at Brandeis

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jasoncohen is now known as jasoncohen01

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mchou:

lol

[18:19:19]

jasoncohen01:

You may remember me :)

[18:19:21]

mchou:

it's jasoncohen

[18:19:28]

jasoncohen01:

yeah, i changed my last name

[18:19:30]

Aurelius:

heh, i like how they say that through the receiver they can compensate for multipath

[18:19:31]

jasoncohen01:

to Wittlin-Cohen

[18:19:34]

jasoncohen01:

hence the "wc"

[18:19:46]

mchou:

jasoncohen01: huh?? you get married? :)

[18:19:59]

jasoncohen01:

no, i took my mother's maiden name as the first part of my last name

[18:20:08]

jasoncohen01:

Wittlin is her maiden name, and the name she uses

[18:20:13]

jasoncohen01:

and Cohen is my father's name

[18:20:17]

jasoncohen01:

hence, Wittlin-Cohen

[18:20:19]

mchou:

jasoncohen01: ok

[18:20:28]

mchou:

jasoncohen01: way too complicated

[18:20:31]

jasoncohen01:

lol]

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Dr_willis:

:)

[18:20:59]

jasoncohen01:

i was thinking about upgrading to HDTV last year but I didn't have the time or money. I'm still using my two tuner setup- a PVR-250 and a standard BTTV card

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Bernardo:

I need help with a strange error killing my backend...

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Bernardo:

"HandleRemoteEncoder(cmd GET_STATE) Unknown encoder"

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sandeen:

jasoncohen01, I don't have a great method for finding the channels though... I can "find" 300+ but of course most are encrypted

[18:21:44]

Bernardo:

where should I start looking?

[18:21:45]

jasoncohen01:

But I've gotten hooked on HD content since gaining access to a certain private tracker :)

[18:21:47]

Sembiance:

great. Now I have *three* computers that I have to keep up to date with gentoo emerge --sync emerge -vuDN world :)

[18:22:19]

sandeen:

well, compiling on each one will fully optimize for the particular memory chips on your dimms though right ;-)

[18:22:28]

jasoncohen01:

sandeen: Well, Comcast will tell you the channel #s for all their channels. Isn't that enough info?

[18:22:45]

sandeen:

jasoncohen01, don't think so... to tune you need the transport, subchannel, etc

[18:22:47]

jasoncohen01:

mchou: What card did you get for $32 and does it support QAM?

[18:22:53]

mchou:

jasoncohen01: I suggest you change your name again to cohen-wittlin. WC brings up bad connotations

[18:22:54]

sandeen:

i don't -think- you can translate "247" into what you need

[18:23:02]

sandeen:

jasoncohen01, I got the kworld card that cheap not mchou

[18:23:11]

mchou:

jasoncohen01: I did get a card for $32. sandeen did

[18:23:19]

sandeen:

but that was with soem expired deals. it's about $75 normally

[18:23:20]

mchou:

didnt*

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jasoncohen01:

oh, ok

[18:23:43]

jasoncohen01:

mchou: What bad connotations does WC have?

[18:23:47]

mchou:

there is no friggin way I'd get a kworld. they suck rocks

[18:23:59]

mchou:

jasoncohen01: water closet

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jasoncohen01:

LOL

[18:24:27]

jasoncohen01:

i never thought of that

[18:24:38]

mchou:

jasoncohen01: they be calling you jason shit can

[18:24:58]

jasoncohen01:

well, in the US very few people even know what a water closet is

[18:25:08]

jasoncohen01:

at least where I'm from

[18:25:20]

mchou:

you never know when you might need to go to europe

[18:25:28]

jasoncohen01:

I was in Europe last year

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Aurelius:

people should be mature enough...

[18:25:57]

jasoncohen01:

I was at Oxford for 6 months. I never heard a crack about my name.

[18:26:12]

mchou:

Aurelius: you've obviously never been traumatized as a kid

[18:26:42]

jasoncohen01:

sandeen: so, how difficult was it to get your HD card setup and working?

[18:27:44]

jack_:

I've been trying to use a video game console with my TV tuner since I don't have a TV with me and I noticed that there was a delay between my input and the display. Is there any way to fix this?

[18:28:39]

jasoncohen01:

mchou: So, what HD Tuner would you recommend for ATSC and QAM (ATSC in MA, QAM in NJ)

[18:28:54]

sandeen:

jasoncohen01, the only tricky part was finding the frequencies & getting them mapped to the right channels

[18:29:02]

sandeen:

i think myth should be able to do this for you... not sure I tried

[18:29:06]

Dr_willis:

I thought the mythtv setup 'recorded' on the fly so you could pause/livetv/forward/repeate

[18:29:26]

jasoncohen01:

sandeen: What distro are you using? I'm using Debian 3.1 "Sarge", so I'll have to upgrade my kernel.

[18:29:31]

sandeen:

jasoncohen01, I followed http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/First_s . . . get_DVB_card

[18:29:37]

sandeen:

i'm using fc6

[18:30:06]

jasoncohen01:

sandeen: what are your mythtv pc's specs?

[18:30:07]

mchou:

jasoncohen01: I'd go with a fusion 5 myself if the price has come down enough

[18:30:27]

fysa:

Fusion 5 is good.

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defaultro:

hmmm, i have 2 different cards, and scheduled 2 programs to record from any channel, but they are conflicting

[18:30:46]

fysa:

But personally, I'd read the news on upcoming dual-tuner HD cards.

[18:30:55]

sandeen:

jasoncohen01, p4 2.6ghz... nvidia fx 5200... 1g memory, 80g hd... diamond mm sound card with digital optical out

[18:31:04]

sandeen:

jasoncohen01, and one pvr-150

[18:31:15]

jasoncohen01:

sandeen: and that's fast enough for 1080i?

[18:31:35]

mchou:

jasoncohen01: but I wouldnt get a qam card at all until cablecard comes thru

[18:31:37]

jasoncohen01:

sandeen: I only have a AMD 2700+, nvidia fx 5200, 1 GB RAM, 80 GB HD, 3 x 160 GB HD

[18:31:43]

sandeen:

jasoncohen01, it took a bit of tweaking to get it ther. i'm using xvmc

[18:31:48]

zablalbaz:

does ayone know of a device that can be used to convert video/sound out to a single coax signal in for an older TV set?

[18:31:49]

sandeen:

without that, no, not fast enough

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jasoncohen01:

sandeen: how about 720p?

[18:32:12]

jasoncohen01:

most of my experience is on windows with 720p x264 and coreavc

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sandeen:

same deal IIRC

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jasoncohen01:

mchou: When is cable card support going to come out?

[18:32:56]

mchou:

jasoncohen01: your guess is as good as mine

[18:32:58]

jasoncohen01:

mchou: I thought cable card would never work on linux.

[18:33:07]

mchou:

could be "never" at this point

[18:33:22]

jasoncohen01:

isn't the idea of cable card to restrict what you can do with their content? How can they restrict you on Linux?

[18:33:28]

jasoncohen01:

On vista, there's going to be tons of DRM

[18:33:30]

mchou:

never say "never"

[18:33:45]

jasoncohen01:

well, i'm sure it will be feasible sometime.

[18:33:48]

jasoncohen01:

just not legal

[18:33:49]

Sembiance:

What is everyone's favorite frontend?

[18:33:50]

mchou:

jasoncohen01: that's why vista is gonna bomb big time

[18:34:13]

jasoncohen01:

HD-DVD was never going to be broken...a week later, Serenity HD-DVD on bittorrent

[18:34:46]

jasoncohen01:

So, I was thinking of using the backend just to record and then stream onto my windows pc to watch the HD content

[18:34:53]

jasoncohen01:

i have a better monitor and a faster cpu

[18:35:27]

jasoncohen01:

on the windows pc. However, is there any good way to stream?

[18:36:05]

jasoncohen01:

the last time i checked winmyth was a piece of crap. Streaming over samba shares would work i suppose.

[18:36:31]

mchou:

frigging US mail

[18:36:38]

Dr_willis:

I couldent get winmyth working the othe rday either.

[18:37:14]

mchou:

who needs winmyth when everthing is mpeg2?

[18:37:28]

mchou:

everything*

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SlicerDicer-:

mpeg2?

[18:37:37]

SlicerDicer-:

what is this mythical mpeg2?

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williammanda:

can someone tell me how abort a file update when doing an update but to continue when the update?

[18:37:48]

SlicerDicer-:

I thought it was all going h264!

[18:37:58]

Sembiance:

nobody has a favorite myth front end theme?

[18:38:01]

** SlicerDicer- looks at the cpu's crying in pain decoding **

[18:38:09]

mchou:

mpeg4 hasnt arrived just yet

[18:38:14]

SlicerDicer-:

soon though?

[18:38:22]

SlicerDicer-:

:)

[18:38:34]

jasoncohen01:

mchou: True, but without a real frontend i can't commercial skip easily and it doesn't update as the show records

[18:38:54]

mchou:

jasoncohen01: that's a windows limitation

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jasoncohen01:

SlicerDicer- well, 720p x264 @ 1.07 GB is mighty impressive

[18:39:22]

SlicerDicer-:

jasoncohen01: for how long of a video?

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SlicerDicer-:

and direct sidebyside of mpeg2/h264

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SlicerDicer-:

how shitty does the h264 look?

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SlicerDicer-:

I just cant see it looking the same you have to lose quite a bit of quality to get it that small no?

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jasoncohen01:

SlicerDicer- H.264 can look very good- but it depends on the quality of the source, and of the encoding settings

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jasoncohen01:

SlicerDicer- obviously a 3.5 mbit encode wll not be identical to a 16

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SlicerDicer-:

so its psuedo-hdtv without the HD

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

[18:41:00]

jasoncohen01:

um, no

[18:41:27]

Dr_willis:

low-def-tv

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SlicerDicer-:

thats the way I look at it by smallering the info you smaller the pixels and hence smaller the HD to being SD on crack ;-)

[18:41:37]

jd86:

xfs a good filesystem to go with? i hear it handles large files well (or am I mistaken)

[18:41:38]

jasoncohen01:

SlicerDicer- i can show you some screenshots

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SlicerDicer-:

jd86: no do not go with XFS

[18:42:05]

jd86:

SlicerDicer-, what would you suggest?

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SlicerDicer-:

jd86: bad idea if power fails you can have data corruption

[18:42:16]

jd86:

well... I can with reiserfs as well

[18:42:21]

SlicerDicer-:

I use XFS on this system and I love it

[18:42:22]

jasoncohen01:

SlicerDicer- 720p x264 can look excellent when done with the right settings, even at 3–4 mbit/sec. MPEG-2 at that bitrate would look like shit.

[18:42:37]

jd86:

SlicerDicer-, a second ago you told me not to use xfs?

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mchou:

bullshit.

[18:43:02]

SlicerDicer-:

jd86: sure I have had corruption on this system

[18:43:05]

mchou:

xfs is mighty fine

[18:43:15]

jasoncohen01:

SlicerDicer- the quality difference between the MPEG-2 TS and the quality x.264 encodes is quite small

[18:43:17]

SlicerDicer-:

jd86: config files get scrambled really well on XFS

[18:43:22]

jd86:

I've had corruption with every file system i've used one time or another except ext3, which I'm not using

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mchou:

just make sure you use a known good kernel with xfs is all

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SlicerDicer-:

mchou: point taken

[18:43:51]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: but I find JFS to be very robust

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mchou:

and preferably a UPS

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jasoncohen01:

XFS has been fine for me for over 1.5 years

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SlicerDicer-:

I have been using it for my /myth for about 2 years now

[18:44:13]

SlicerDicer-:

jfs deletes at ungodly speeds :)

[18:44:24]

jd86:

i do have a couple of UPSs, I'm not sure if myth is on one, if not I'll put it there

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SlicerDicer-:

jd86: if you have a UPS I would say go for XFS

[18:44:51]

SlicerDicer-:

jd86: its a awesome file system :)

[18:45:13]

SlicerDicer-:

jasoncohen01: I love the low fragmentation

[18:45:15]

jd86:

I'll either make sure this one is on a UPS or buy another, and set it up to down automatically when the power goes out

[18:45:40]

SlicerDicer-:

yeah jd86 I have many computers and they all run differnet filesystems :)

[18:45:49]

jd86:

what options do you use for xfs in fstab?

[18:46:02]

jd86:

(if anything special)

[18:46:23]

jd86:

I will now have a grand total of ~800GB of storage for mythtv

[18:47:47]

williammanda:

can someone give me the command to start mysql please

[18:48:06]

SlicerDicer-:

jd86: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xfs#Disadvantages

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GreyFoxx:

SlicerDicer-: Odd, I don't consider any but the lzst one in that list a disadvantage

[18:49:25]

SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: indeed

[18:49:33]

SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: I have had the last bit happen to me :)

[18:49:41]

SlicerDicer-:

I ended up with crazy symbols in config files :)

[18:49:43]

jd86:

SlicerDicer-, well most of those don't apply/bother me

[18:50:11]

SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: I guess I am overly sensitive to XFS :)

[18:50:16]

GreyFoxx:

SlicerDicer-: Well, if you were in the middle of editting/writing to them that wouldn't suprise me

[18:50:21]

SlicerDicer-:

yeah I was

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fysa:

ext3.

[18:50:35]

fysa:

ext3 ext3 ext3

[18:50:37]

GreyFoxx:

but I feel the same about all filesystems

[18:50:38]

SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: I could just see mysql go extremely damaged

[18:50:46]

fysa:

because ext4 is right around the corner.

[18:50:51]

jd86:

now, I should probably copy all of my files on my 300GB myth storage, to my new 500, reformat to XFS or similar and then move back (its reiserfs atm)

[18:51:00]

GreyFoxx:

SlicerDicer-: I've never had it happen, and I've had many power outages on a busy xfs filesystems

[18:51:11]

fysa:

I've had severe problems with both XFS and JFS.

[18:51:13]

GreyFoxx:

REiser however would break if you looked at it wrong

[18:51:19]

SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: indeed I have had many powerfailures on this system running xfs not much of a issue

[18:51:38]

SlicerDicer-:

GreyFoxx: however I have had EXTREMELY good luck with JFS and love it for data storage on myth

[18:52:42]

SlicerDicer-:

yeah seriously GreyFoxx I dont know if it was a bug or if its the truth with reiser but I filled it to 85% capacity on one machine... and everything went wrong.. could barely read data and writing data was impossible and could not delete anything

[18:52:49]

SlicerDicer-:

needless to say I havent used reiser since

[18:52:52]

defaultro:

would this really cause conflict in schedules? I have 2 capture cards that uses the same lineup.

[18:52:54]

fysa:

ext4 will be in the stable kernel in 2007.

[18:53:08]

GreyFoxx:

I've had many reiser issues, though to be fair most were quite a while ago

[18:53:13]

GreyFoxx:

It was enough to make me avoid it

[18:53:16]

GreyFoxx:

just like VIA chipsets

[18:53:23]

GreyFoxx:

they might be much better now, I still am leary

[18:53:27]

SlicerDicer-:

I am hoping for zfs :)

[18:53:32]

jd86:

I use reiser a lot, but I'm moving away from it... I don't see any advantage from my usage and it seems other filesystems might be better suited.

[18:53:36]

SlicerDicer-:

without having to use fuse anyway

[18:53:50]

defaultro:

what's good about ext4?

[18:53:50]

fysa:

the _only_ advantage reiser has is it supports shrinking.

[18:54:04]

fysa:

ext3 is the only other fs that supports shrinking..

[18:54:07]

SlicerDicer-:

jd86: I find that xfs is insanely fast so what is the point of reiser?

[18:54:14]

fysa:

that means if your filesystem is screwed, you can slowly shrink it and replace it with a different one.

[18:54:20]

sandeen:

ext4 is already in the stable kernel... it's just that ext4 isn't stable yet :)

[18:54:32]

fysa:

I just ran into a situation where I had a 2 terabyte jfs partition corrupt/fragment itself..

[18:54:49]

jd86:

SlicerDicer-, my point, I just started this reiserfs bit loooong ago (from my perspective, like 2–3 years ago) when I first started linux i just picked it and stuck with it... but it wasn't a good choice

[18:54:50]

fysa:

There's no way I could backup that much data, so I had to delete enough to move the remnants off and rebuild it completely.

[18:54:57]

fysa:

ext3 supports shrinking, and has tons of tools and community support.

[18:55:05]

fysa:

JFS is _old_ — it's the same jfs that was in OS/2.

[18:55:07]

SlicerDicer-:

jd86: same here

[18:55:13]

defaultro:

isn't LVM+XFS better than ext4 if we shrinking is not in question?

[18:55:13]

fysa:

Not the new jfs that IBM uses in their big iron.

[18:55:22]

fysa:

XFS is better than ext3 because it's faster.

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fysa:

way faster.

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: JFS or XFS either one is acceptable to me :)

[18:55:45]

sebrock:

ok BIG trouble now

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defaultro:

i'm very happy with my xfs + lvm

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sebrock:

after installing mythtv pretty much everything fucked up

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defaultro:

deleting a 25g files only takes 1 or 2 secs

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** jd86 waits for 300GB of data to be tarred, only so I can format and then untar. **

[18:56:06]

sandeen:

fysa, that remains to be seen, honestly

[18:56:10]

fysa:

I was completely happy with XFS for two years, until one day I tried to play some video that was sitting on my drive and it was missing bits.

[18:56:15]

sandeen:

features != performance, and most of the work is on features now

[18:56:16]

defaultro:

df shows the changes very quickly too

[18:56:19]

fysa:

extents.

[18:56:29]

fysa:

extents are the only major feature that xfs/jfs have over ext3 that we actually use.

[18:56:38]

sebrock:

my settings->administration lost like 10 different menuicons

[18:56:42]

sebrock:

sound is gone

[18:56:43]

fysa:

and extents definitely do = performance

[18:56:49]

sandeen:

that's part of it, sure

[18:56:51]

sebrock:

FFS!

[18:56:54]

defaultro:

Slicer, different question,

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fysa:

I don't know..

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fysa:

I still get 130 MB/sec write speed with ext3.

[18:57:13]

fysa:

130–150MB/sec with ext3

[18:57:13]

sandeen:

but "performance" doesn't really mean much w/o context

[18:57:21]

fysa:

160–180MB/sec with xfs/jfs

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mchou:

a burrito sounds mighty fine right now

[18:57:23]

sebrock:

how do I revert the mythtv installation????????????????+

[18:57:32]

GreyFoxx:

sebrock: Define revert it

[18:57:33]

fysa:

there's your context. ;)

[18:57:37]

fysa:

either one is plenty fast for myth.

[18:57:41]

sandeen:

fysa, that's not contgext.

[18:57:48]

fysa:

I'm sticking with the one that has data recovery tools readily available.

[18:57:49]

sandeen:

but yeah honestly myth doesn't stress the fs much

[18:57:50]

sebrock:

well just installed it and everything fucked up

[18:57:56]

sebrock:

GiantPickle,

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sebrock:

GreyFoxx,

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defaultro:

Slicer, i have 2 capture cards, fusion and firewire. However, I am using one lineup in zap2it. I want to record 24 and Heroes at the same time. It should be possible. But selecting "record this program at any time on any channel" makes a conflict

[18:58:07]

fysa:

I've had random data loss strewn across my array with xfs before..

[18:58:12]

sebrock:

man, wtf should it be like this

[18:58:14]

fysa:

enough that I didn't know which files were good and bad.

[18:58:19]

defaultro:

or can anyone tell what i'm doing wrong

[18:58:23]

fysa:

this was a couple of years ago, so surely that bug is fixed..

[18:58:28]

GreyFoxx:

sebrock: I was hoping for something a little more specific about what you wanted to do or what was wrong :)

[18:58:39]

** sandeen reads the bogus xfs journal "disadvantage" on wikipedia **

[18:59:02]

sebrock:

GreyFoxx, well before the installation I had everything working, now Im even missing stuff in the menus

[18:59:02]

fysa:

but I'm done taking chances.

[18:59:10]

defaultro:

so guys, please see my question :D

[18:59:11]

mchou:

fysa has the right idea re recovery tools

[18:59:16]

sebrock:

I want to revert everything it did...

[18:59:28]

fysa:

ease of recovery, and the ability to grow/shrink at will is what's important.

[18:59:33]

GreyFoxx:

so, what you are really saying is you want to go back to a previous version ?

[18:59:42]

fysa:

because, you see.. I can convert my ext3 to xfs/jfs next year if I need to without losing data.

[18:59:43]

sebrock:

that was my first install

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fysa:

I can't convert from xfs/jfs back.

[18:59:51]

sebrock:

I have no idea why this happened

[18:59:54]

williammanda:

question please.....

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williammanda:

i'm trying to get mythtv setup on ubuntu...

[19:00:12]

sebrock:

is something like recover avail?

[19:00:24]

williammanda:

i start mythbackend...

[19:00:32]

williammanda:

then start mythfrontend

[19:00:42]

fysa:

anyway..

[19:00:44]

williammanda:

after i select watch tv...

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fysa:

I'm sure you can find case studies for every side.

[19:00:59]

williammanda:

it tells me the backend isn't running...

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mchou:

speaking of reiser, is that guy in jail yet?

[19:01:13]

williammanda:

what am i missing?

[19:01:15]

SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: weird

[19:01:20]

GreyFoxx:

sebrock: Maybe I'm being alittle think, but what EXACTLY are you looking to do. Are you looking to uninstall what you have now ? OR go back to another version? Or just start your myth config all over again ?

[19:01:26]

GreyFoxx:

s/think/thick

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sebrock:

I want to completely remove myth and everything that came with it...

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fysa:

As someone that is a big RAID nerd, and has spent weeks and weeks trying every combination and benchmarking them, xfs/jfs is too risky for me right now.

[19:02:03]

fysa:

for a benefit that I won't see. (gigabit ethernet is the bottleneck.)

[19:02:05]

defaultro:

yes, Slicer, it's weird

[19:02:15]

GreyFoxx:

sebrock: Well it depends on how you installed it really. Most package systems have an uninstall/remove option

[19:02:27]

sebrock:

I used this: sudo apt-get install mythtv-frontend gdm ubuntu-artwork xterm openbox gnome-screensaver xserver-xorg gsfonts-x11 xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi msttcorefonts xfonts-base mysql-server mythtv-backend mythtv-database usplash-theme-ubuntu

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defaultro:

I've been trying many combinations but it still says conflict

[19:02:31]

GreyFoxx:

if you did it from source you could try going back to the top of the source and doing make uninstall, but personally I've never done that

[19:02:41]

SlicerDicer-:

fysa: why is jfs risky? I dont get that man... I have used it for 2 years on myth without a issue

[19:02:47]

defaultro:

Slicer, could it be that I am using one lineup?

[19:02:55]

SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: I am not sure

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fysa:

SlicerDicer: I was using it for two years perfectly also..

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fysa:

then one day, the filesystem started to get horribly fragmented.

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fysa:

100,000+ extents for a single file.

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fysa:

when it shouldn't be over 100–200.

[19:03:25]

sebrock:

why would this make everything to fuck up?

[19:03:42]

defaultro:

something is wrong, it doesn't see my fusion capture card

[19:03:43]

fysa:

this was widespread across the filesystem, and was so bad that my *max* write speed was down to 5MB/sec.

[19:03:48]

sebrock:

loosing about 10 icons under administraioin? this is crazy

[19:03:55]

fysa:

obviously I was hit by something uncommon, but it was there nonetheless.

[19:04:04]

fysa:

there are _no_ defragmentation tools for jfs.

[19:04:13]

SlicerDicer-:

xfs supports defragmentation

[19:04:20]

fysa:

they were never completely ported over from OS/2.

[19:04:22]

fysa:

yes, exactly.

[19:04:25]

fysa:

but my problem with xfs was data loss :(

[19:04:28]

fysa:

but fragmentation. :/

[19:04:38]

fysa:

er, not fragmentation.

[19:04:41]

sebrock:

evem the synaptic packetmanager is gone!

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sebrock:

WTF HAPPENED???

[19:04:51]

fysa:

I'm sure I will be back in a year saying ext3 killed my array. ;)

[19:04:55]

SlicerDicer-:

lol sebrock

[19:05:16]

sebrock:

there is absolutely no reason for it to delete stuff...

[19:05:16]

SlicerDicer-:

sebrock: run "sudo apt-get install synaptic" in a terminal see if that works :)

[19:05:30]

fysa:

I would pick xfs over jfs

[19:05:32]

sebrock:

Well, Im getting angry

[19:05:48]

fysa:

jfs is seriously old code.

[19:05:56]

fysa:

we have jfs 1.x on linux..

[19:05:57]

fysa:

not 2.x.

[19:06:12]

fysa:

it really is a port of old OS/2 code.

[19:06:29]

fysa:

gotta run.

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fysa:

gl

[19:06:52]

sandeen:

myth does something that fragments stuff on xfs more than usual actually, it seems

[19:07:10]

GreyFoxx:

pfft

[19:07:22]

GreyFoxx:

myth opens a file handle, writes data to it, closes filehandle

[19:07:25]

sandeen:

GreyFoxx, does it do periodic syncs or re-opens or anything liek that?

[19:07:27]

sandeen:

really?

[19:07:32]

sandeen:

ok then i may be full of it

[19:07:35]

GreyFoxx:

yes, nothing else

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GreyFoxx:

Except of course if you have multiple tuners

[19:07:45]

sandeen:

right

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sandeen:

but this was for a single stream... ok i'll instrument xfs a bit to see why it's fragmenting :)

[19:08:26]

sebrock:

FFS! DO I HAVE TO REINSTALL EVERYTHING AGAIN??

[19:08:27]

** GreyFoxx is off to PVD for some supper **

[19:08:32]

sebrock:

this is killing me

[19:09:20]

sandeen:

GreyFoxx, if you're stilll here, is it opened & closed only once for, say, a 2-hour show?

[19:09:29]

GreyFoxx:

sane: yes

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rsdvd:

sebrock : if your machine is really that messed up – I would be more inclinded to find out WHY than just rebuild – it may happen again

[19:09:40]

sandeen:

i'm sorry I maligned myth then ;)

[19:10:05]

sebrock:

well all happened because of the mythtv installation: sudo apt-get install mythtv-frontend gdm ubuntu-artwork xterm openbox gnome-screensaver xserver-xorg gsfonts-x11 xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi msttcorefonts xfonts-base mysql-server mythtv-backend mythtv-database usplash-theme-ubuntu

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sebrock:

I might have looked at the wrong command...

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sebrock:

but anyway, I cant see why that would mess up icons on my system-administraion list

[19:10:56]

shodan:

should mythtv work with qt-4* ?

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rsdvd:

sebrock : that looks like a really OTT apt-get – the MythTV system can be got with myth-suite

[19:11:24]

rsdvd:

re-installing mysql-server etc seems way OTT

[19:11:32]

sebrock:

OTT?

[19:11:38]

rsdvd:

Over The top

[19:11:58]

gardengnome:

shodan: no.

[19:11:59]

sebrock:

gah!

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sebrock:

no recovery function as winxp?

[19:12:19]

gardengnome:

rotfl

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** shodan slaps gentoo **

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shodan:

"emerge mythtv" it built qt4 !

[19:12:38]

gardengnome:

sebrock: you make your own backups :)

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rsdvd:

lol.....no – Linux does not crew up as oftern as Windoze so there is normally no need

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juski:

you do in windows too if you know what's best

[19:13:03]

sebrock:

well, that command very much fucked up

[19:13:08]

rsdvd:

in windows it makes mistakes – in linux the user makes mistakes :-)

[19:13:15]

sebrock:

fuck it

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rsdvd:

:-)

[19:13:43]

sebrock:

everything works, installing myth was the last step... of cause it would make weird stuff

[19:13:49]

sebrock:

that nobody can explain

[19:13:50]

** rsdvd pictures Sembiance taking a hammer to his mythbox and then buying a Tivo **

[19:14:03]

sandeen:

i updated from a tivo to myth... but haven't ditched the tivo yet

[19:14:09]

sandeen:

it's still more reliable for me

[19:14:35]

juski:

boo hoo

[19:14:39]

juski:

where's that violin

[19:14:44]

rsdvd:

lol

[19:14:45]

sandeen:

well i still have hope :)

[19:14:57]

sandeen:

and i'm not saying it's myth's fault

[19:14:58]

gardengnome:

sebrock: someone culd explain probably, it might bwe some weird issue with dependencies. IIRC you never posted a real error message so it's impossible to help you

[19:15:01]

shodan:

sandeen, mythtv works great when you installed it dozen of times on different hardware over the span of 3 years ;)

[19:15:05]

juski:

this is #mythtv-users, the user to user support channel. not the sympathy channel

[19:15:09]

[1]Jack3:

hey whats the command to setup my eth0 :X

[19:15:11]

sandeen:

more likely it's nvidia crashing

[19:15:19]

[1]Jack3:

i screwed it up by unpluggin it and now its not connected

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[1]Jack3:

i want to set it to DHCP

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gardengnome:

shodan: ack ;)

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juski:

DHCP in linux? muhahahahaha

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[1]Jack3:

well, static would work to

[19:15:51]

gardengnome:

juski: ?!

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sebrock:

gardengnome, well I can understand that things crap sometimes... but like this? removing non-relevant stuff?

[19:16:00]

sebrock:

thats basically shit

[19:16:06]

** juski has had too much tea to drink **

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[1]Jack3:

is there somecommand i use?

[19:16:45]

gardengnome:

sebrock: yes, it can happen. package A depends on B which'll conflict with C. it's usually caused by running unstable flavours of debian or using third-party repositories

[19:16:49]

rsdvd:

[1]Jack3 : /sbin/service network restart (if you are using redhat)

[19:17:15]

[1]Jack3:

nah

[19:17:31]

rsdvd:

Jack3 – might still work :-)

[19:17:39]

[1]Jack3:

tried, no such fil.dir

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gardengnome:

[1]Jack3: man 6 interfaces

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gardengnome:

[1]Jack3: man 5 interfaces

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gbee:

I've just been marking wishlist items invalid because they are already in mythtv – people just don't look

[19:18:14]

[1]Jack3:

what?

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rsdvd:

Jack3 – /etc/init.d/networking restart

[19:19:00]

gardengnome:

[1]Jack3: open a terminal and type "man 5 interfaces". or, well, type "man man" instead, that should cover some basics

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rsdvd:

taken from the first thing in google for 'knoppix restart network'

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rsdvd:

gardengnome : LOL

[19:19:35]

gbee:

if I was really thorough I could probably mark 2/3s of wishlist items as either already 'implemented', 'won't implement' or 'stupid'

[19:19:37]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: ?

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[1]Jack3:

oh rsdvd, i typed in setup eth0 in linux lol, didnt show to many results

[19:20:12]

juski:

gbee: I like the cut of your jib ;)

[19:20:33]

juski:

should I make some 'lame' & 'thumbs down' icons ? ;)

[19:20:51]

rsdvd:

gardengnome : I was laughing at you telling him to start with man man

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juski:

why can't mythtv toast my bagels to perfection?

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Jack3:

hmm rsdvd, that didint do it, its still not connected and ifconfig shows inet addr: 127.0.0.1 and the mask as 255.0.0.0

[19:21:45]

rsdvd:

that is the loopback – not the eth0

[19:22:02]

gardengnome:

rsdvd: i could have told him to enter "dhclient eth0" but what good would that have done?

[19:22:07]

gbee:

hehe, might provoke a backlash – the entire point of the wishlist was to create a /dev/null so trac and devs wouldn't get bombarded with silly ideas

[19:22:16]

gbee:

of course I wasn't really supposed to say that in public ;)

[19:22:47]

Jack3:

thanks gardengnome, that did it

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juski:

so the wiki gets bombarded with silly ideas instead. yay

[19:23:21]

Jack3:

and i didnt try the man thing cause i hough rsdvd was laughing cause you were joking

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Smirnov:

anyone here got mupen64 to compile?

[19:23:57]

sebrock:

Could not open driver module server/drivers/curses.so: server/drivers/curses.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

[19:23:58]

sebrock:

Driver [curses] binding failed

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sebrock:

Could not load driver curses

[19:23:58]

sebrock:

There is no output driver

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sebrock:

Critical error while initializing, abort.

[19:24:04]

sebrock:

what is that?

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Smirnov:

is that a bianry

[19:24:30]

sebrock:

its LCDpeoc

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sebrock:

proc

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gbee:

juski: the beauty of sticking burying it on the wiki is you need never look at it and it keeps users pacified

[19:24:54]

defaultro:

Slicer, it's fixed now after going in inside each card input in mythtv-setup

[19:24:57]

juski:

they need pacifiers, fer sure

[19:25:48]

gardengnome:

Jack3: i was not joking. if you're trying to do anything on a linux box and don't know about the 'man' command, you're pretty much, umm, out of luck

[19:25:49]

gbee:

sebrock: curses is the default/debug driver for LCDProc – outputs stuff to the console instead of the LCD device

[19:26:12]

sebrock:

how do I start the thing?

[19:26:26]

sebrock:

lol even apt-get is gone

[19:27:06]

gbee:

well the error suggests it's not installed – but I'd guess that a path var is messed up so it's looking in the wrong place

[19:27:29]

gardengnome:

sebrock: try running "/usr/bin/apt-get"

[19:27:57]

S2:

juski, do you mind if i ask where you are from?

[19:28:23]

gardengnome:

S2: looking for a date?

[19:28:38]

S2:

gardengnome, uhm, not really. i am looking for someone in the uk

[19:28:50]

gbee:

heh

[19:28:54]

S2:

i was in york 8 years ago

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S2:

as an exchange studend

[19:29:07]

S2:

as an exchange student

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S2:

and ate pot noodles there

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** gbee hasn't been to York for 15 years **

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kormoc:

Mmm... Pot Noodles... the more you eat, the more you want to eat...

[19:29:41]

S2:

and now, after 8 years, i would really like to eat pot noodels again

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S2:

so i am looking for someone willing to spend some time to send them to me

[19:30:12]

S2:

of course i would pay for shipping and the noodles

[19:30:16]

juski:

S2: planet theeemar ;)

[19:30:22]

** gbee must be hallucinating **

[19:30:26]

gardengnome:

you can't get pot noodles in italy? isn't that just ramen?

[19:30:42]

kormoc:

gardengnome, it's special ramen

[19:30:45]

kormoc:

with funny logos

[19:30:55]

kormoc:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hotnoodle.jpg

[19:31:01]

juski:

just FYI we can't send you those special mushroom flavoured ones

[19:31:12]

S2:

gardengnome, no. no pot noodles here. i would like to eat the original uk pot noodles, the one i eat 8 years ago. the "fuel of britain. isn't it" one

[19:31:34]

juski:

S2: wouldn't be the same without our grotty tap water

[19:31:40]

gardengnome:

(i hope it didn't hurt anyones feelings by laughing at their noodles)

[19:31:43]

S2:

juski, lol :)

[19:31:43]

kormoc:

S2, http://www.britishdelights.com/potnoodle.htm

[19:32:11]

S2:

kormoc, yeah, thanks. but they want 22 pounds for shipping

[19:32:14]

kormoc:

hehe

[19:32:20]

kormoc:

just order enough to make up for it:P

[19:32:37]

gardengnome:

i'm afraid you'll be disappointed :)

[19:32:37]

S2:

i don't want to be ripped off...

[19:32:54]

kormoc:

I want to try Maltesers someday

[19:32:58]

S2:

well, if someone here is from the uk, and likes some italian food maybe we can exchange?

[19:33:26]

S2:

maybe olive oil for pot noodles?

[19:33:36]

kormoc:

haha

[19:33:39]

S2:

:)

[19:33:39]

juski:

mmm extra virgins!

[19:33:53]

gardengnome:

kormoc: chocolate balls filled with crispy stuff?

[19:33:57]

kormoc:

Mmm... High grade oil for low grade noodles...

[19:34:08]

kormoc:

gardengnome, aye, sorta like whoppers but different I've heard

[19:34:14]

gardengnome:

i'd kill for a steady supply of peanut butter cups.

[19:34:15]

S2:

i really would love to eat pot noodles again.

[19:34:35]

kormoc:

gardengnome, yeah... esp big cups.... so perfectly yum...

[19:34:40]

gardengnome:

kormoc: i had some in spain. they're tasty. but nothing you

[19:34:44]

gardengnome:

'd spend much money on

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juski:

there's only one pot noodle mine left in the UK now :(

[19:34:49]

kormoc:

fair nuff

[19:34:56]

rsdvd:

S2 : I am in the UK – but I dare not send you pot noodle – you would be disappointed

[19:34:58]

gardengnome:

kormoc: the $gf usually sends them to me. in all flavours. :)

[19:35:09]

kormoc:

I've heard mixed things bout them, some say it's super good, others super crap :P

[19:35:14]

kormoc:

nifty :)

[19:35:17]

juski:

rsdvd: could be a new line for your online shoppe ;)

[19:35:39]

rsdvd:

juski : LOL....rsdvd's new line in fast food

[19:35:40]

juski:

S2: still the same stringy cardboard & chemical taste AFAIK

[19:35:48]

kormoc:

S2, in all things eaten during the university days, it's never as good as you remember

[19:36:00]

rsdvd:

S2 : you just remember them being good – they were infact – rubish

[19:36:19]

gardengnome:

kormoc: she gave me a really big peanut butter cup heart once. <3 i can still feel the echos of my stomach hurting

[19:36:21]

juski:

besides when you look at the shite students eat I bet pot noodles were gourmet by comparison

[19:36:22]

S2:

kormoc, you are probably right. but i have to find out myself

[19:36:26]

rsdvd:

it is like the kebab after 12 pints of beer – always tastes good – have it when you are sober it is vile

[19:36:28]

sebrock:

its that fucking sql database that killed everything

[19:36:36]

kormoc:

gardengnome, aww, sweet :)

[19:36:48]

gardengnome:

kormoc: AND salty *drool*

[19:37:02]

S2:

i pay in advance. with paypal, or regular bank transfer, or whatever.

[19:37:11]

rsdvd:

sebrock : we knew it was the database – we were sorting that out 4 hours ago

[19:37:12]

S2:

i would really love them. please someone :)

[19:37:23]

kormoc:

rsdvd, depends on the kebab, I love persian style kebabs drunk or sober or anytime of the day :)

[19:37:26]

sebrock:

sure it happened 10 mins ago...

[19:37:39]

rsdvd:

LOL.....S2 – this is the first time I have had someone begging to send them food

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gardengnome:

rsdvd: he's probably fed up with all that pasta

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[19:38:06]

kormoc:

gardengnome, so he wants more pasta?

[19:38:13]

rsdvd:

kormoc : but they don;t come from dodgy stands in a town center

[19:38:16]

S2:

rsdvd, rotfl :)

[19:38:25]

gardengnome:

kormoc: i doubt that's real noodles

[19:38:26]

kormoc:

rsdvd, heh... they do in Iran ;)

[19:38:33]

rsdvd:

lol

[19:38:47]

juski:

wth are doner kebabs made out of anyway?

[19:38:55]

S2:

rsdvd, would it be to much for you to drive to tesco, buy some, pack them up and ship them?

[19:39:06]

S2:

rsdvd, an italian guy would apreciate it :)

[19:39:37]

rsdvd:

S2 – It would be tonight – Tesco is shut :-)

[19:39:53]

rsdvd:

anyway – I am off for dinner – ironically noodles :-)

[19:39:58]

S2:

rsdvd, you can take you time. just send them next week :)

[19:39:58]

gardengnome:

juski: it's some bread, some salad and some meat (mostly chicken here) with some sauce. ;)

[19:40:31]

sebrock:

is it possible to send some text to the lcd?

[19:40:32]

juski:

no that weird looking meat they slice off the rotating skewer

[19:40:41]

gardengnome:

juski: that's chicken.

[19:41:03]

gardengnome:

juski: wait, it depends.

[19:41:09]

juski:

doesn't taste like chicken. I heard it's lamb

[19:41:18]

kormoc:

juski, for like gyros?

[19:41:20]

juski:

but it doesn't look much like any lamb I've ever seen

[19:41:45]

gardengnome:

juski: in germany it's regulated by law. so if it's chicken, they don't call it doner anymore. doesn't matter, though :)

[19:41:52]

S2:

mjam... you are making me hungry

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williammanda:

anyone available for a question....ubuntu mythtv install

[19:42:26]

S2:

williammanda, if you send me some pot noodles :)

[19:42:32]

kormoc:

juski, http://www.mattbarrett.net/photos/gyro.JPG ?

[19:42:34]

S2:

williammanda, i have exactly that install

[19:42:45]

williammanda:

pot noodles? :)

[19:42:47]

gardengnome:

will trade mythtv support for foosd.

[19:43:03]

williammanda:

i make a mean spaghetti

[19:43:17]

Zider:

I make a kind and gentle spaghetti

[19:43:25]

williammanda:

I'll see what i can do :)

[19:43:33]

S2:

williammanda, great!

[19:43:47]

S2:

no really... i really got this need

[19:43:52]

williammanda:

i have been following the edgy install for mythtv...

[19:43:57]

juski:

kormoc: kind of, but over here it's generally in one solid homogenous brownish lump

[19:44:26]

williammanda:

i have gotten to the point where I start the frontend....

[19:44:46]

juski:

www.juski.co.uk/comingsoon.png – coming along :)

[19:44:48]

williammanda:

and after i select watch tv.. it tells me that the backend is not running

[19:45:07]

kormoc:

juski, that's after it's been carved up a bit, it is lamb :)

[19:45:09]

williammanda:

i just started the backend

[19:45:23]

williammanda:

right before the frontend

[19:45:30]

williammanda:

so what am i missing

[19:45:32]

williammanda:

?

[19:45:50]

S2:

williammanda, you have to tell the fs where the be is. did you mess with the default settings?

[19:45:59]

juski:

kormoc: nah over here you can never make out the individual bits. I've seen em put a new one on & it looks pretty much the same until there's none left

[19:46:17]

kormoc:

juski, ooh, strange

[19:46:25]

williammanda:

no i didn't touch the ip address...it is still 127.0.0.1

[19:46:38]

S2:

williammanda, uhm... is the be running?

[19:47:06]

S2:

williammanda, netstat -taupn|grep backend

[19:47:12]

williammanda:

i can start it using......mythbackend....and it show the usual on the terminal screen

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S2:

williammanda, run it with sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start

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Jack3:

to make the .sh script executabel its chmod 755 /folder/script.sh

[19:48:10]

Jack3:

?

[19:48:27]

williammanda:

says it is running

[19:50:20]

williammanda:

when i run this command i get an error....

[19:50:24]

williammanda:

sudo /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend

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williammanda:

Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

[19:50:49]

williammanda:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

[19:51:04]

Aurelius:

wouch

[19:51:04]

S2:

Jack3, i'll tell you if you ship me some pot noodles :)

[19:51:26]

S2:

williammanda, you have to change the mythtv mysql user password

[19:51:39]

S2:

the ubuntu install has that wrong

[19:51:52]

gardengnome:

no it doesn't. :)

[19:51:52]

juski:

wow. after you've done 4 themes, the next one more or less does itself :)

[19:51:58]

Fooker:

Hello. Does anyone know if its possible to have a user job run before the program is transcoded?

[19:52:18]

gardengnome:

williammanda: sudo cp /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt ~/.mythtv/

[19:52:22]

gardengnome:

that might help

[19:52:27]

S2:

gardengnome, no? it did for me. did someone fix it?

[19:52:44]

gardengnome:

S2: the password is a random one that's stored in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

[19:52:47]

williammanda:

s2...yes i did to mythtv.....followed directions from mythtv wiki

[19:52:48]

Fooker:

Or maybe is there a way to alter either the transcode commands or the commercial flagging commands that myth runs? (I'm assuming commercial flagging is done before transcoding, yes?)

[19:52:49]

Jack3:

is it right or no? :(

[19:53:05]

gardengnome:

Fooker: yes. mythtv-setup, probably

[19:54:42]

xris:

Fooker: you trust comflagging that much?

[19:55:35]

xris:

Fooker: fyi, nuvexport can also generate the cutlist... I know you do ipod exporting, etc.

[19:56:12]

juski:

almost time to watch some more mythtv :)

[19:58:44]

Fooker:

xris: Trust it completely as far as these programs go

[19:59:02]

williammanda:

xris....I got stuck after we talked last night concerning the ubuntu mythtv install

[19:59:30]

Fooker:

xris: I just want to change the command that myth runs when commercial flagging, but I'm scared that thats a variable within the code and would require a partial recompile.

[19:59:38]

williammanda:

its telling me that the master backend isn't running once i start watch tv

[20:00:03]

xris:

Fooker: more than likely, it would require a full recompile

[20:00:12]

Fooker:

xris: Thats poor coding then...

[20:00:18]

xris:

williammanda: what IP did you set up for the master backend?

[20:00:28]

Fooker:

xris: Oh well. More than one way to skin a cat I suppose.

[20:00:33]

williammanda:

default 127.0.01

[20:00:33]

xris:

Fooker: depends on where the variable is and what it affects.

[20:00:45]

Fooker:

xris: Do you know what the exact command myth runs to do commercial flagging is?

[20:01:07]

Fooker:

xris: I can write a wrapper script for it quite easily if I know the exact options myth passes, but I think several of them are undocumented

[20:01:45]

xris:

so you what to run mythtranscode to mpeg4, but cut commercials out first?

[20:02:18]

Fooker:

No, I want to run mythtranscode lossless to mpeg2, cutting commercials

[20:02:48]

Fooker:

From there, I have a really quick user job that converts it to a file my dvd player likes

[20:03:19]

Dagmar:

Fooker: You should probably read some documentation and learn a few things.

[20:03:22]

Dagmar:

What you want is impossible

[20:03:28]

Fooker:

Why's that?

[20:03:47]

Dagmar:

Because you're obviously unaware that MPG is *always* a lossy format.

[20:03:53]

Fooker:

If it can be done manually, it can be scripted.

[20:04:05]

kormoc:

Dagmar, meh, there's a lossless mode now with mythtranscode

[20:04:14]

Fooker:

Dagmar: If you had a brain in that head, you would know what lossless transcoding means

[20:04:18]

kormoc:

Dagmar, it just redoes the keyframes after cutting so it's as lossless as you can get

[20:04:24]

gardengnome:

bitch fight o/

[20:04:25]

Jack3:

hey when i try to out this into the mysql prompt -> ON mythconverg.*

[20:04:26]

Jack3:

-> TO 'mythtv'@'xbox_ip'

[20:04:26]

Jack3:

-> IDENTIFIED BY 'mythtv';

[20:04:26]

Dagmar:

It's still not lossless.

[20:04:26]

** gardengnome runs **

[20:04:29]

Jack3:

it doesnt work

[20:04:47]

kormoc:

Dagmar, it's documented and refered to as lossless enough that it's what it's considered

[20:04:48]

Fooker:

Dagmar: It doesn't mean it concerns the actual format, it just means that its transcoding without removing any frames

[20:04:58]

Jack3:

i guess im supposed set mysql so my xbox can access it

[20:05:14]

Dagmar:

Like I said. Read the web. Learn some shit.

[20:05:21]

kormoc:

Jack3, well, not only did you miss the start of the mysql command, you need to replace xbox_ip with the real ip

[20:06:00]

kormoc:

Fooker, heh, actually the entire point is to remove frames, it just limits the damage to very very little

[20:06:03]

Jack3:

oh

[20:06:24]

Fooker:

Dagmar: So long as the myth developers refer to at as lossless, for sake of ease, I'll refer to it as lossless in here

[20:06:34]

Dagmar:

All hail ignorance.

[20:06:53]

Dagmar:

Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcoding

[20:06:54]

gardengnome:

i'd vote for "not-so-lossy transcoding"

[20:07:00]

Fooker:

Dagmar: To do otherwise would just create unneeded confusion for the sake of making someone feel elite

[20:07:32]

Dagmar:

Fooker: No it reduces confusion because strangely, English words are fairly specific in their meaning.

[20:07:33]

Fooker:

Dagmar: Email that to the myth developers. I'm just refering to it as its refered to in the myth world.

[20:07:50]

Dagmar:

You're not transcoding.

[20:07:56]

kormoc:

Dagmar, tho, lighten up... it's lossless, all it's doing it converting a frame to a keyframe after removing the previous keyframe, you're not losing anything meaningful at all

[20:08:01]

Fooker:

May not be. But thats what its called.

[20:08:09]

Dagmar:

No, that is not what it's called.

[20:08:21]

Dagmar:

Read the URL on Wikipedia.

[20:08:25]

Fooker:

In the context of the mythtv program, that is what its called

[20:08:27]

Dagmar:

Learning will not cause brain embalisms.

[20:08:34]

kormoc:

Dagmar, amusingly enough, mythtranscode has a lossless mode...

[20:08:50]

Dagmar:

kormoc: I'm aware

[20:09:02]

kormoc:

Dagmar, but anyway this is pointless, you really should talk to the devs if you want it to change

[20:09:06]

Jack3:

correct?

[20:09:07]

Dagmar:

It's not doing any transcoding at all in lossless mode

[20:09:09]

kormoc:

Jack3, aye

[20:09:36]

Fooker:

Dagmar: I'm not saying you wrong at all, and I really don't care if you are right or wrong. But in the context of the mythtv program, its called transcoding. And its refered to as lossless. So I'm going to refer to it as lossless transcoding so as to allow others to understand what I'm saying the easiest *WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE MYTHTV PROGRAM*

[20:09:39]

Dagmar:

Or rather, it's doing the absolute least bits necessary if it's reassembling around keyframe/cutlist misses

[20:09:45]

kormoc:

aye

[20:09:55]

Jack3:

kormoc

[20:10:00]

Jack3:

there is an Ip address for mythtv

[20:10:05]

Jack3:

and a MASTER Server ip address

[20:10:11]

kormoc:

Fooker, just calm down and

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kormoc:

Jack3, yes?

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kormoc:

Fooker, really, you should read the user job documentation, sure you likely can't modify the transcode job without a recompile, but you can create your own that does what you want

[20:11:23]

kormoc:

not of the frontend

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Dagmar:

Jack3: If your backend and frontend are now on a different IP than the DB, don't forget you will need to enable networking for the MySQL daemon

[20:11:44]

jd86:

:( copying 300gb takes a long time

[20:12:01]

doc|work:

anyone know why I'm getting 'input is alerady in use' when it's not? Just before that the frontend couldn't connect to the backend

[20:12:05]

Jack3:

heres how its setup, currently everything is on the same box, however, I would like to now run the frontend off my xbox

[20:12:43]

Fooker:

kormoc: I can't, because mythtranscode fails when run from a userjob or from the commandline

[20:13:17]

Fooker:

kormoc: Runs perfectly if issued from within mythfrontend using the transcode option in the recordings menu, but otherwise it does nothing

[20:13:44]

Dagmar:

Jack3: All the IP addresses are specified relative to what's reading them

[20:14:02]

doc|work:

and now I can't reboot the backend :(

[20:14:08]

Dagmar:

127.0.0.1 is NOT an IP address that can be reached from another machine unless your entire network config is broken

[20:14:43]

xris:

Fooker: have you verified the commandline through ps and tried to run it just like that?

[20:14:55]

kormoc:

Fooker, that's strange and wrong, cause I run mythtranscode via the command line just fine

[20:15:06]

Dagmar:

You can also snatch the command line arguments from /proc/(pid of process)/cmdline

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Jack3:

ok its just im trying to real careful cause last time i did this it really fuxed my machine up

[20:16:41]

Jack3:

i put ina wrong setting somewhere

[20:17:45]

Fooker:

kormoc: I can run it from the commandline and get no errors, but the video outputted is identical to the input video

[20:19:16]

kormoc:

Fooker, that's ultra strange...

[20:19:19]

Jack3:

ok front end is still working as well as live tv

[20:19:27]

Jack3:

so now i need to allow access to mysql db?

[20:19:34]

** kormoc nods **

[20:20:31]

Jack3:

mysql> GRANT SELECT,INSERT,UPDATE,DELETE,CREATE,DROP

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Jack3:

-> ON mythconverg.*

[20:20:32]

Jack3:

-> TO 'mythtv'@'xbox_ip'

[20:20:32]

Jack3:

-> IDENTIFIED BY 'mythtv';

[20:20:46]

Jack3:

shit

[20:20:47]

Jack3:

sorry

[20:21:04]

Fooker:

kormoc: Yep

[20:21:06]

kormoc:

xbox_ip needs to be the real ip address

[20:21:09]

Jack3:

yeh

[20:21:17]

Dagmar:

Jack, do you have a nameserver on your network that resolves xbox_ip to something?

[20:21:18]

kormoc:

and of course, after that you need to FLUSH PRIVILEGES;

[20:21:20]

Fooker:

kormoc: I've tried with almost 20 different commands I've found online or been given, and none work

[20:21:22]

Dagmar:

If not, quit typing it as xbox_ip

[20:21:27]

Jack3:

after i finish typing all that though, should it show anything

[20:21:30]

kormoc:

Fooker, it could be a bad build

[20:21:35]

Jack3:

yeh i know dagmar

[20:21:40]

kormoc:

Jack3, it should say it ran fine

[20:21:42]

Fooker:

kormoc: But it runs fine if run through mythfrontend

[20:21:47]

Jack3:

hmm ok

[20:21:52]

kormoc:

Fooker, that's ultra strange...

[20:22:32]

Fooker:

As soon as all my current jobs finish, I'll capture the exact command myth runs it with and see if that makes a difference

[20:22:46]

Fooker:

But that'll probably be tomorrow morning or so :P

[20:24:05]

Jack3:

wow, no errors like before

[20:24:06]

Jack3:

cool

[20:24:25]

Jack3:

ok and now flush priveleges

[20:24:50]

Jack3:

ok now start mythbackend and test xbmc?

[20:26:37]

kormoc:

yes

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Jack3:

oh and, mysql for mythtv, is default pass=mythtv?

[20:27:18]

kormoc:

yes

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S2:

message to the masses: if you are from the uk, and would like to do something good, send me some pot noodles, i really would like them!

[20:29:11]

Jack3:

ugh

[20:29:37]

S2:

:)

[20:29:45]

Jack3:

xbmc script says it failed to connect, but in the console where i started mythbackend it shows MainServer::HandleAnnounce Playback

[20:32:09]

Jack3:

any ideas?

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zippytech:

how do i use mythtv on directv any writes ups any where

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zippytech:

or how do i select comp1 in

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kormoc:

zippytech, you just plug the output of your directtv receiver into the input of your capture card, and setup the ir blaster to the directtv receiver, and then set the stuff in mythtv setup

[20:36:03]

shodan:

can mythtv use EPG data that comes from DVB feeds ?

[20:36:12]

kormoc:

yes

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zippytech:

i have that much just don't know how to setup the card to just look at the composit ports

[20:36:43]

kormoc:

zippytech, you set it as the default input device

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shodan:

nice :)

[20:37:38]

xris:

shodan: it's in mythtv-setup.. "use EIT..."

[20:37:42]

Jack3:

ok kormoc, im pretty sure the problem is that it still is not able to connect to mysql for some reason

[20:37:50]

Jack3:

even though i gave it the correct user and pass

[20:38:12]

kormoc:

Jack3, check the mysql logs, see if it's denying connection or anything

[20:39:08]

Jack3:

heh alrite

[20:40:19]

Jack3:

can i type that all at once?

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xris:

that's generally how it works

[20:42:06]

zippytech:

i don't have no clue as to where to tell myth that i only use comp in

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Jack3:

k now flush privileges;

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kormoc:

zippytech, you just tell myth in the capture card setup that the default input it comp in

[20:42:51]

zippytech:

i was runng and old version and use to type ivtvctl -d /dev/video0 -p 2

[20:43:09]

zippytech:

i have but what about channels

[20:43:16]

zippytech:

don't but anything

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zippytech:

like under vid sourtces

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kormoc:

zippytech, you just leave that alone and set the channel change script to whatever you use to set your irblaster

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shodan:

xris, ok I found that in "General", but the page just before the EIT scanner options, "Global Backend Setup" it asks for tv format/vbi format/channel frequency table... if I am going to use DVB do I have to set any of those ?

[20:47:37]

xris:

shodan: I believe it's under "advanced" in the "input connections" section

[20:47:57]

xris:

but I don't have any eit-capable sources, so I can't confirm

[20:48:02]

Jack3:

xris

[20:48:10]

Jack3:

xbmc still says it cant connect:

[20:48:12]

Jack3:

:(

[20:48:51]

gbee:

shodan: don't need any of those settings for EIT – at least I'm pretty sure you don't

[20:49:01]

shodan:

k , I think I just found it , in video source setup , you can set the listing grabber to EIT probably that

[20:49:04]

shodan:

gbee, k

[20:49:19]

gbee:

certainly don't need vbi, or tv format for that matter

[20:49:49]

xris:

Jack3: do you have the mysql client on your xbox?

[20:50:46]

Jack3:

sort of

[20:50:57]

xris:

sort of?

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Jack3:

well tehres a xbmc mythtv script, so i assume it has a mysql client in it or somethin

[20:51:23]

Jack3:

anyways, i think theress a problem in my.cnf

[20:51:30]

Jack3:

the bind-address = 127.0.0.1

[20:51:38]

Jack3:

it should equal what?

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xris:

put a # in front of it and restart mysql

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Jack3:

whats the commandto restart?

[20:53:53]

xris:

/etc/init.d/mysql restart

[20:53:55]

xris:

or maybe mysqld

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xris:

depends on the distro

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daviey:

bum

[20:59:19]

daviey:

whats the difference between a wireless router and a wireless access point?

[20:59:40]

xris:

generally, the access point doesn't have a router in it.

[20:59:50]

xris:

meaning, it's just a wired->wireless adapter

[21:00:04]

xris:

router will have dhcp, nat and other routing functions

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daviey:

xris, i want a wireless device i can plug into an existing switch to allow wireless clients to connect to the exsisting network ie 10.0.0.x and not a new sub-net

[21:01:40]

xris:

many routers will work in AP mode.

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[shodan]:

YAY I'm getting channels :)))))

[21:02:04]

xris:

I personally like apple's airport express, though. but you need a non-linux box to configure them

[21:02:08]

daviey:

hmm, i want cheap!

[21:02:36]

xris:

daviey: I prefer "reliability"

[21:02:43]

daviey:

good point'

[21:03:00]

xris:

airport express can also piggyback on others, and act as a range extender

[21:03:10]

daviey:

;)

[21:03:16]

daviey:

i'll google them

[21:03:21]

xris:

anyway, linksys, etc makes good ones.. and you can usually disable the dhcp server, etc.

[21:03:59]

daviey:

xris, and that will allow 'passthrough' to connect to the parent device?

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daviey:

and use the parent ip addy?

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Jack3:

my god

[21:10:32]

Jack3:

still nothing

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Jack3:

is there an error log mysql makes?

[21:11:27]

Mixx`:

I've found that having Folding @ Home running while recording interferes with recording. Is there a way to identify the Folding process and stop/start it before/after recording?

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williammanda:

i just changed corrected my time in mythtv and now the guide is still off and I don't have any audio in mythtv...

[21:13:59]

williammanda:

i did a mythfilldatabase and rebooted

[21:14:53]

xris:

daviey: depends on the device, but generally, you can disable dhcp on the routers and clients can get IPs from your main dhcp server

[21:17:09]

Jack3:

xris,you have any idea?

[21:17:15]

Jack3:

cause its connecting to the backend i can see

[21:17:20]

Jack3:

but just mysql nope

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alsoconfused:

Jack3: have you confirmed that mysqld is listening for remote connections?

[21:18:22]

williammanda:

well my sound is back

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Jack3:

hmm i dont see one in there

[21:20:35]

Jack3:

guess i have to start loggin

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Jack3:

how might i do that alsoconfused?

[21:21:15]

alsoconfused:

assuming you didn't change the port number: netstat -an|grep 3306 ~

[21:21:33]

alsoconfused:

don'

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alsoconfused:

don't type the ~

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Dagmar:

Jack3: Just an FYI. If you'd bothered to read the documentation on the website, you'd have been done an hour ago

[21:22:41]

Jack3:

which website?

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Dagmar:

the mythtv.org website

[21:22:49]

Jack3:

mysql?

[21:23:01]

Jack3:

actually ive been following it, it has a guide for doing this

[21:23:07]

Dagmar:

Pretty much every single thing you've asked is covered in the documentaiton

[21:23:21]

Jack3:

well, i did what it said for setting up the xbmc script

[21:23:27]

Jack3:

and guess what, its not working

[21:23:37]

Dagmar:

I am not your mother.

[21:23:41]

Dagmar:

You can't bullshit me.

[21:23:48]

Dagmar:

...so don't bother.

[21:23:50]

Jack3:

uhh

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Jack3:

im seriuosly not

[21:24:11]

Jack3:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Xbox_Frontend

[21:24:13]

Dagmar:

If you'd read the docs, you specifically wouldn't be asking about the mysql thing.

[21:24:19]

Jack3:

I did everything it said there

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alsoconfused:

Jack3: did the netstat show a LISTEN line, if so, please show it to me

[21:24:35]

Dagmar:

You're just trying to cherry-pick your way through and only read the xbox frontend docs, which only cover the frontend thoroughly

[21:24:50]

alsoconfused:

Dagmar: what are you trying to accomplish?

[21:25:05]

Dagmar:

I'm trying to get at least one damn person to actually *read* the docs

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Dagmar:

Just one would make my fucking day. No joke.

[21:25:42]

alsoconfused:

i'm sorry you're having a bad day, but IMHO you're just being counterproductive.

[21:25:43]

xris:

Dagmar: watch your language, please

[21:25:53]

Dagmar:

alsoconfused: No, I don't hand out fish.

[21:27:11]

Jack3:

thanks, ive only seen that page three times before, cause guess what. I READ IT, i tried it, it didnt work

[21:27:31]

Dagmar:

Jack3: Then do what alsoconfused said with netstat

[21:27:33]

Jack3:

there was no skip-networking in my.conf, just a bind-address which i set to the ip, which still didnt change anything..

[21:27:50]

xris:

Jack3: how could you have tried it before if you hadn't yet figured out how to restart mysql?

[21:27:57]

xris:

Jack3: I told you to comment out that line, too

[21:28:09]

Jack3:

i did,but then uncommented it to see if it changed it

[21:28:22]

zippytech:

is any one here using and external tunner

[21:28:32]

kormoc:

Jack3, you needed to restart mysql after any changes to the config file

[21:28:47]

xris:

Jack3: you don't want to bind to a specific IP. That's only useful for machines with more than one IP

[21:29:03]

Jack3:

i did restart it before i just forgot what the command was

[21:29:27]

zippytech:

i need to config a pvr 150 for compin only

[21:30:02]

xris:

zippytech: oh, external that way... what exactly are you trying to do?

[21:30:23]

zippytech:

record in from vcr or sat

[21:30:26]

xris:

Jack3: it's REALLY hard to test mysql if you don't have shell access and a mysql client on the remote machine

[21:30:28]

Sembiance:

Why didn't I learn to ride my bike when it was warm and sunny outside?

[21:30:30]

zippytech:

don't need to change chanels

[21:30:32]

xris:

zippytech: you have an ir blaster?

[21:30:39]

zippytech:

no

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xris:

ok. then you kind of just pick the composite/svideo port in video sources (or whatever it's called)

[21:31:07]

zippytech:

i had an order version and use to use ivtvctl -d /dev/video0 -p 1

[21:31:23]

zippytech:

to switch to the port

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Jack3:

well can windows be a client to mysql for testing?

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Jack3:

ok

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zippytech:

tried that but i am lost when i get to the vid sources and input

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kormoc:

zippytech, you'll need a ir blaster to use a directtv receiver

[21:32:34]

zippytech:

on the myth config

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zippytech:

i don't need to change channels

[21:33:02]

zippytech:

i just want to record the input from comp in

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xris:

zippytech: zippytech mythtv is designed to record tv.. it needs to at least THINK that it's recording a channel.

[21:34:40]

zippytech:

it cannot just record the comp in

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kormoc:

zippytech, not without you fakign something, nope

[21:34:59]

xris:

zippytech: the pvr-150 can, but mythtv won't record without knowing what it's recording.

[21:35:01]

Dagmar:

zippytech: If you're trying to avoid it worrying about programming schedules, you will at least have to just make up a channel (preferably on an unused number) in mythtv-setup and bind that to an input

[21:35:29]

Dagmar:

zippytech: I've got channel 1 assigned to "Surreal Estates Surveillance" here for a cheap webcam I found that has composite out

[21:35:42]

zippytech:

hm

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Jack3:

ok now it says tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN

[21:36:41]

alsoconfused:

Jack3: that's good. now, let's see if you can make any type of connection from the frontend. as xris said, you should have shell access to the frontend.

[21:37:02]

alsoconfused:

can you get a shell on it?

[21:37:05]

xris:

alsoconfused: his problem is that his frontend is an xbox

[21:37:27]

alsoconfused:

no sshd?

[21:38:06]

alsoconfused:

Jack3: try running the frontend again

[21:38:16]

kormoc:

nah, ms didn't think it would need ssh for games

[21:38:26]

Jack3:

nothin

[21:38:32]

Jack3:

still cant connect

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alsoconfused:

kormoc: it's an xbox running linux?

[21:39:16]

Jack3:

would it have anything to do with this new/old passowrd thing in mysql

[21:39:27]

Jack3:

alsoconfused, its xboxmediacenter, running a python script

[21:40:43]

alsoconfused:

Jack3: i see. what's the ip of the xbox?

[21:41:08]

zippytech:

thanks Dagmar

[21:41:14]

zippytech:

that worked

[21:41:47]

zippytech:

no one other question how to i rename a recording

[21:42:25]

Dagmar:

zippytech: There I've got no idea. I'm not entirely sure it's possible, but if you go into the list of recordings and hit the INFO button I *think* it lets you change the title there.

[21:42:38]

Dagmar:

I did it once by accident and I'm not sure where the heck I was in the frontend then

[21:42:41]

kormoc:

zippytech, or you can edit the mysql

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Dagmar:

ouch

[21:43:05]

kormoc:

%s/edit/query/

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zippytech:

cool thanks for the help

[21:43:46]

fysa:

Maybe my myth is skipping because it's not realtime.

[21:43:52]

kormoc:

keep in mind, live tv records auto delete after 24 hours

[21:44:25]

fysa:

"Realtime priority would require SUID as root." but then, "Video timing method : RTC"

[21:46:18]

fysa:

updated my limits.conf, let's try again..

[21:46:25]

williammanda:

what command do i use to delete a user?

[21:50:19]

SlicerDicer-:

so hey anybody know how I can find out what channels are QAM encrypted on my cableco without buying a card and testing?

[21:50:30]

SlicerDicer-:

would the cableco tell me?

[21:50:37]

fysa:

avsforum.com is a start.

[21:50:54]

SlicerDicer-:

they dont talk about cableone in Rio Rancho :)

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** SlicerDicer- already looked **

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fysa:

From what I know, network stations need to be unencrypted.

[21:53:21]

Fooker:

What idiot decided to put commercials in television?

[21:53:24]

fysa:

The real question is whether or not TNTHD/ESPNHD is in the clear.

[21:53:41]

fysa:

An HDTV with a tuner built-in should be able to pick them up..

[21:53:50]

fysa:

If you plug the cable into the TV directly, instead of through the box.

[21:54:35]

fysa:

So far, everything I've seen .. "Im definately planning to move up to Rio Rancho and Cable One service area now. They go out of their way to get ESPN2 in time for that world cup crap that almost no american could care about. But for NFL they cant step up to the plate and pay up even though they just raised our rates."

[21:54:41]

fysa:

shows Cable One as being a good provider.

[21:55:44]

Jack3:

when it asks for mysql host

[21:55:48]

Jack3:

should i say localhost?

[21:55:59]

fysa:

is mysql running on that machine?

[21:56:01]

fysa:

:P

[21:56:05]

kormoc:

no, you should say the ip of the backend

[21:56:08]

fysa:

it's usually the same machine as your backend.

[21:57:36]

Fooker:

19 shows left to re-encode... weee...

[21:58:25]

Fooker:

Since midnight last night I've gotten 13 shows re-encoded... so about an hour each....

[21:58:41]

Fooker:

I need an upgrade.

[22:00:29]

Fooker:

Does the second pass of ffmpeg actually do allot for the quality of the signal?

[22:03:33]

kormoc:

depends on what you think

[22:03:40]

kormoc:

some people love it, others can't tell the dif

[22:04:14]

Fooker:

Ok, this is weird. mythtrasncode -j ... is the command passed by mythbackend, but the -j option is not in the documentation (that I can find)

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Fooker:

From the source code it appears to be an alternative to using -i

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juski:

stopping the pox of misinformation on the forum again. sheesh

[22:09:33]

Fooker:

Anyone be able to give insight into what the -j option does exactly?

[22:09:54]

juski:

try mythtranscode --help ?

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williammanda:

can some help with a login issue for mythtv?

[22:12:03]

Fooker:

juski: Its not a documented option

[22:12:17]

kormoc:

Fooker, you're gonna be limited to reading the source then

[22:13:14]

Fooker:

kormoc: Appears from the source that its a job id

[22:13:25]

Fooker:

kormoc: I'm just hoping that mythcommflag accepts it as well

[22:13:32]

juski:

j ob ... logical :)

[22:14:40]

Gokee2:

Hello all, I was wondering how much computer is needed to power mythtv? I found the place where he needed more then a p3–550 and it seems a Athlon XP 1800 will do it.. What about somthing in between? And how much RAM do you need?

[22:14:43]

Fooker:

juski: I wouldn't have thought that they would use the job ID # as I thought it would make things harder for multiple backend setups, but apparently they found a way around that

[22:15:00]

kormoc:

Gokee2, depends on your pick of tuner cards, and what you want to do with it

[22:15:13]

Fooker:

Gokee2: I'd say an 8-way opteron with about 16gig of ram (although 32 is best if you can afford it) and a few terabytes of storage :P

[22:15:27]

Fooker:

It'll work no matter what your planning on doing

[22:15:28]

** juski puts his thumb ruler away **

[22:15:51]

SeaWeed:

WOW 8-way opteron with about 16gig of ram

[22:15:53]

SeaWeed:

lol

[22:16:11]

kormoc:

Gokee2, GreyFoxx uses p3 733's with ivtv cards, as long as you don't commflag, it should work well enough with sdtv, and 512 mb ram is the recommended min

[22:16:27]

kormoc:

Gokee2, assuming a pvr card or other hardware encoder

[22:16:31]

snerfu:

sweet, i got my wiimote working for mythtv

[22:16:32]

Gokee2:

commflag?

[22:16:40]

kormoc:

Gokee2, commerical flag

[22:16:54]

Gokee2:

:/

[22:16:56]

kormoc:

Gokee2, myth can mark commericals and auto skip them if you'd like, but it takes a bit of cpu power to do

[22:17:06]

Gokee2:

Ya I kind of want that

[22:17:37]

Gokee2:

If I had a Athlon XP 1800 with 256 MB ram I would need to upgrade that to at lease 512 then?

[22:17:48]

juski:

so think along the lines of the slowest CPU you can buy new nowadays with 512MB RAM :)

[22:18:02]

Fooker:

Gokee2: The only thing I can say is that my system works well. Its a AMD64 3000+ w/2gig of ram and a 300gig SATA HD.

[22:18:07]

kormoc:

Gokee2, personally I use a 2.13 ghz celeron with 768 megs of ram, and that works well enough, I used to have 256 megs of ram, but that was too little

[22:18:10]

Gokee2:

And could the 1800 commflag a recording and "live" at the same time?

[22:18:18]

juski:

probably not

[22:18:33]

Gokee2:

hmm

[22:18:33]

Fooker:

Gokee2: Its usable as a desktop computer while playing live TV and re-encoding shows for burning to DVD

[22:18:51]

juski:

to do realtime commercial flagging you'd need more than 2GHz I reckon, with SDTV

[22:18:52]

kormoc:

my 2.14 ghz is around 20 fps commflagging, and the stream is 24 fps, so it's slightly slower then realtime

[22:19:30]

Gokee2:

kormoc, And thats without recording anything in the background?

[22:19:36]

kormoc:

Gokee2, correct

[22:19:44]

kormoc:

well, other then the recording it's commflagging

[22:20:17]

Gokee2:

SDTV? Thats like non-HDTV?

[22:20:18]

juski:

remeber though that if you use a PVR tuner card with a hardware encoder (think Hauppauge pvr150/pvr250 / pvr500) very little CPU will be used for recording

[22:20:30]

kormoc:

Gokee2, aye, sdtv is standard def tv, hdtv is high def tv

[22:20:39]

Gokee2:

Ah ok

[22:21:02]

kormoc:

Gokee2, and that's with a pvr card that does hardware encoding

[22:21:03]

Fooker:

mythcommflag also takes -j as an option :)

[22:21:04]

Gokee2:

kormoc, So do you have a hardware encoder?

[22:21:09]

** kormoc nods **

[22:21:10]

** Fooker pats the developers on the back **

[22:21:12]

Gokee2:

-j?

[22:21:25]

kormoc:

job id

[22:21:35]

kormoc:

Gokee2, something you're not likely to run into

[22:21:51]

Fooker:

Gokee2: I'm working on a script so I'm just rambling about it every once and a while :)

[22:21:54]

juski:

people who record analogue TV use hardware encoders if they know what's good for them

[22:22:41]

juski:

folks who don't, struggle with framegrabber cards & the frustrations they involve. pvr cards can also be frustrating for some but at least they don't hog your CPU ;)

[22:24:17]

juski:

oh he's a right-wing asshat. I was wondering

[22:25:01]

mchou:

I loved the way Colbert manuevers him into the corner. Classic rop' a dope

[22:25:13]

mchou:

haha!!

[22:25:33]

mchou:

I'm cracking up just thinking about it

[22:26:30]

juski:

yeah but the sad fact of the matter is, him getting humiliated on TV isn't going to stop anybody listening to the rubbish he spouts

[22:26:49]

Gokee2:

So it sounds as if I need a fairly good computer... Better then my main computer I built 5 years ago with a athlon XP 1800...

[22:26:54]

Jack3:

hey you mind takin a look at this

[22:26:55]

Jack3:

http://pastebin.ca/331470

[22:26:55]

mchou:

juski: oh, believe me, D'souza's goose is cooked

[22:26:59]

Jack3:

its my xbmc script log

[22:27:45]

mchou:

juski: his has no future now as a "conservative" pundit after Colbert

[22:28:40]

mchou:

juski: D'Souza just illustrated he "agrees" with the terrorists. "You are either with us or against us" come to mind :)

[22:28:51]

juski:

mchou: fair 'nuff :) I'd never heard of him til just now, but from what I saw from the quick google he's an asshat

[22:29:12]

juski:

Jack3: looks fine to me, but I've not used xbmcmythtv for about 18 months

[22:29:13]

Fooker:

Most people on the colbert report are...

[22:29:30]

juski:

anyway.. up early tomorrow.. g'night all

[22:29:34]

Fooker:

Have fun

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Jack3:

agh

[22:29:50]

Fooker:

YES

[22:29:52]

mchou:

Fooker: are what?

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Fooker:

mchou: Asshats

[22:30:06]

Fooker:

My script appears to be working :)

[22:30:31]

Fooker:

Just so long as... mythtv does run the commercial flagging before the transcoding, right?

[22:30:47]

mchou:

Fooker: just because people are asshats doesnt mean we cant derive entertainment value at their expense

[22:31:19]

Fooker:

mchou: On the contrary, the asshats are usually the funniest ones to laugh at

[22:31:24]

mchou:

Fooker: and I have to say Colbert did his job particularly well this time around

[22:32:13]

gbee:

Fooker: yes by default commflagging is done before transcoding, although the order can be reversed in mythtv-setup

[22:32:38]

Fooker:

I'm just gonna avoid running multiple jobs and throw it all in my transcoding script

[22:33:43]

fysa:

GreyFoxx, the "20th Century Fox" logo has been a good testing candidate for me so far.

[22:34:13]

fysa:

myth and mplayer, even with RTC enabled, jitter while playing that. The key part is right at the beginning, when the 2 swoops across the top-left of the screen.

[22:34:41]

fysa:

xine plays it completely smoothly, which is odd because it uses the same x264 decoder as myth?

[22:35:47]

Fooker:

Its a conspiracy :P

[22:37:07]

gbee:

x264 is a h264 encoder, you mean h264?

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|Torg|:

does anyone have a epguides.com or tv.com scraper to fill episode information into the database?

[22:39:55]

kormoc:

|Torg|, they all get their info from zap2it, so your lineup should already be filled in as much as it can

[22:40:27]

|Torg|:

zap2it has old episodes, but it seems the new ones are all blank

[22:40:39]

|Torg|:

I was looking for something to fill in those blanks

[22:41:02]

kormoc:

fair nuff

[22:41:06]

|Torg|:

epgides for example has the new episode information as does tv.com

[22:41:15]

kormoc:

strange, but fair nuff

[22:41:54]

|Torg|:

yea, so I found a perl script tht scrapes epguides but its fairly broken and out of date. My plan was to "fix" it, but first I thought I wasnt the only person to run across this

[22:42:42]

|Torg|:

Ive even attmpted to supliment my zap2it from EIT. That only fills my logs with EIT info as it is less informative then zap2it

[22:43:47]

|Torg|:

of course knowing my lu7ck as soon as I get it to work epguides will change the format or something :P

[22:57:42]

Fooker:

Why would I get an error saying transcoding aborted, cutlist changed? What would change the cutlist?

[22:58:01]

|Torg|:

comflagging

[22:59:32]

Fooker:

Bah, your right, there is a commflag process running...

[22:59:37]

Fooker:

Wonder why that got called

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wave:

help

[23:00:47]

wave:

I cannot connect to the backend server

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wave:

ip 127

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wave:

and the server is running.

[23:01:02]

Dagmar:

Torq: It would be kinda nice if we could somehow get TV.com's data to be pointed at by Zap2it's, or *something* along those lines

[23:01:12]

Dagmar:

Tv.com's data is _really_ detailed

[23:01:58]

Fooker:

Weird. commflagging isn't running, yet transcoding still aborts because the cutlist is changed...

[23:03:30]

wave:

Can anyone help point me in the right direction.

[23:03:48]

|Torg|:

yes, im workging on filling epguide info into the database now

[23:04:08]

|Torg|:

I can rely on the fact that a new show ill not be makred as repeat and will not be marked as en episode :)

[23:08:02]

|Torg|:

so far im running into title and subtitle mismatching

[23:08:21]

|Torg|:

so im looking for a better way to refernce each episode, but I don't think there is any

[23:08:48]

kormoc:

yeah... if they're not using or exposing zap2it's id's, that's really all there is

[23:10:02]

|Torg|:

this would al be mute if zap2it could just provide syndicatedespidesnumber for each episosde

[23:10:21]

kormoc:

they sorta do

[23:10:38]

|Torg|:

oh and whoever make the db schema naming that damn filed syndicatedepisodenumber I could strangle them. its a PIA to type all the time

[23:11:36]

kormoc:

programid: EP(seriesid)(showid)

[23:12:29]

kormoc:

EP0801873332 is Eposode 3332 of show 080187

[23:14:55]

wave:

can anyone help me connect to my backendserver. I keep getting a error saying to check to make sure the server is on and the IP is correct.

[23:16:06]

xris:

wave: well, is it?

[23:16:27]

wave:

yea

[23:16:37]

xris:

different machine for frontend/backend?

[23:16:39]

kormoc:

how do you know?

[23:16:42]

wave:

IP is 127.0.0.1

[23:16:56]

xris:

wave: so you only have one machine, correct?

[23:17:05]

wave:

and a /etc/init.d/mythbackened says running

[23:17:20]

wave:

right frontend and backend on one machine

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xris:

ps axf | grep myth

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xris:

wave: ^^^

[23:18:55]

wave:

hmm

[23:19:04]

wave:

Got nothing but grep showing.

[23:19:12]

wave:

so your right. it isn't running

[23:19:37]

wave:

what a command I can manually run it? with /etc/init.d?

[23:19:43]

wave:

without*

[23:20:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

wave: simply 'mythbackend' from a shell — logged on to mythtv

[23:20:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

wave:

[23:20:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

wave: for detail, add " -v all" on the end...

[23:21:09]

|Torg|:

-v aoo,nodatabase

[23:21:11]

wave:

Thank you. Will look into it.

[23:21:13]

|Torg|:

err all

[23:21:28]

|Torg|:

unless you really want to see every select the thing does

[23:23:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

|Torg|: thanks... I didn't know about the ',nodatabase' option... ;-)

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[23:29:26]

sandeen:

if anyboyd needs a 37" hdtv monitor sears has a deal i wish i'd had available when I bought my 32" :)

[23:29:53]

|Torg|:

need?

[23:29:57]

sandeen:

want? need?

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wave:

Well I got mythbackend to work. /etc/init.d does not make it run but running the command mythbackend does.

[23:30:15]

Fooker:

Is there any way to flush the job queue completely?

[23:30:41]

wave:

Right now its filling the database.

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|Torg|:

ok sandeen whats the info on it?

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sandeen:

toshiba 37hlc56, $799 down from $1499 or so

[23:31:17]

sandeen:

no tuner

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|Torg|:

wave mythbcken creates the database and unless it records something doesnt do anything more then upgrade it

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|Torg|:

its only when mythfilldatabase that stuff gets added and when mythbackend acts upon schedules you create to record stuff

[23:32:07]

|Torg|:

ok sandeen im looking more for a non dlp that has an atsc tuner in it

[23:32:21]

[shodan]:

woohoo I'm the greetest ! :))))

[23:32:25]

[shodan]:

it's working YAY !

[23:32:32]

sandeen:

|Torg|, yeah that's LCD w/ no tuner

[23:32:39]

** sandeen wonders why a myth guy wants a tuner :) **

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[shodan]:

DVB is a pain to get to work , but when it works , wow the video quality is amazing !

[23:33:05]

|Torg|:

so I dont have to run two systems to let the kids watch PBS :P

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wave:

oh I thought it was to put the schedule into the database.

[23:33:48]

|Torg|:

yes wave, once you create a schedule it looks through the program guide to scedule recordings

[23:34:03]

|Torg|:

that program guide is created by either mythfilldatabase or EIT

[23:34:10]

Fooker:

|Torg|: But then how do you get rid of commercials? Surely you don't make your kids sit through hours of public broadcasing AND make them watch commercials??

[23:34:30]

|Torg|:

there no MY kids, there my grandkids, and there 3 and 5

[23:34:41]

|Torg|:

btw I said PBS, note there arnt any commericals on it

[23:35:03]

|Torg|:

and I get rid of commercails off wht I record the same way as everyone here does, with commflagging

[23:35:33]

Fooker:

No commercials on PBS?

[23:35:45]

|Torg|:

Fooker where do you live?

[23:35:52]

Fooker:

Up north :)

[23:36:10]

Fooker:

Canada. You know, the place where all your oil comes from.

[23:36:41]

|Torg|:

actally it comes from Saudi at least that where all the tankers I see lined up in the channel are from

[23:37:01]

Fooker:

Allot of oil gets shipped out of Alberta in the US

[23:37:10]

|Torg|:

as fro PBS yes its public TV and there arnt any commercials, unless you count the "sponser" adds at the begining, or between shows

[23:38:39]

kormoc:

Fooker, sure a lot do, but not most, see http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_im . . . mbblpd_a.htm

[23:38:48]

Fooker:

Ok, this is screwy. frontend reports that a comm flagging job is running, but there is no commflag running on the system, nor does the backend have anything in its logs...

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wave:

ok close. anything after channel 13 doesn't show.

[23:40:13]

kormoc:

wave, make sure the frequency table in mythtv setup is set to us-cable

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|Torg|:

wave what is your input can capture card?

[23:40:24]

Fooker:

kormoc: We're number 2

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kormoc:

Fooker, heh, like I said, a lot, but not most ;)

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wave:

ahh thats probably it kormoc.

[23:40:45]

Fooker:

Persian gulf is slightly head of us

[23:40:56]

** sandeen thinks caillou is from canada **

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wave:

I got too impatient lately trying to get this to work I just ran through the menus the last couple times just to get it to work.

[23:41:49]

Fooker:

kormoc: But, if you look at total crude oil + oil products, we're number 1

[23:41:52]

wave:

The main reason I am using mythtv is cause alot of programs for windows will not work with the Wii Remote.

[23:42:10]

Smirnov:

can you use the wii remote in linux?

[23:42:17]

Fooker:

Why not just use the wii remote for the wii, and buy a real remote for your computer?

[23:42:19]

kormoc:

Smirnov, if lirc supports it

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Smirnov:

i thought it was bluetooth

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** J-e-f-f-A Uh-Oh — he said the "W" word!!! **

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kormoc:

Smirnov, perhaps... but then it's going to be a kerenel level driver, which is more unlikely

[23:43:22]

ShiftyPowers:

anyone here use twinview with mythtv?

[23:43:25]

ShiftyPowers:

that has experience with it?

[23:43:29]

Smirnov:

blah, its just bluetooth :-

[23:43:41]

kormoc:

Smirnov, sure, but it's new :P

[23:43:52]

[shodan]:

how well does mythtv-xbmc work ? it's the first time I have a fully working mythtv since I got xbmc :)

[23:43:53]

Smirnov:

i thought they already reverse engineered it on the mac

[23:43:54]

kormoc:

ShiftyPowers, might have better luck just asking your question

[23:44:00]

ShiftyPowers:

yeah

[23:44:01]

ShiftyPowers:

true

[23:44:11]

ShiftyPowers:

well i'm trying to get twinview to work using specific modelines

[23:44:23]

ShiftyPowers:

i'd love to have the ability to show mythtv on both my projector and an LCD TV

[23:44:27]

ShiftyPowers:

which have different resolutions

[23:44:34]

jasonwc:

sandeen: Did you have any issues getting XvMC working? You said earlier that you used it to get HD playback.

[23:44:53]

wave:

nonono. When playing the Wii in some windows program it will interfere somehow with the remote making it sluggish.

[23:44:54]

[shodan]:

ShiftyPowers, I'm using a dual head nvidia card, just using xinerama and it's great I got xv and opengl on both screen at once

[23:44:56]

ShiftyPowers:

can I clone with TwinView using different resolutions?

[23:45:05]

wave:

I don't want to use the remote for myth.

[23:45:08]

ShiftyPowers:

[shodan], so you clone it?

[23:45:16]

jasonwc:

sandeen: I have an AMD Athlon 2700+ with 1 GB DDR so XvMC should play 1080i fine. However, I've never bothered to use it with SD.

[23:45:19]

kormoc:

ShiftyPowers, yes you can

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[shodan]:

ShiftyPowers, I can even stretch mythtv across both screens and I have video on both screens (that doesn't work even on windows)

[23:45:39]

kormoc:

[shodan], he just want's it cloned tho

[23:45:48]

ShiftyPowers:

[shodan], any guides you used to set it up?

[23:45:49]

kormoc:

[shodan], and sure it works in windows

[23:45:55]

ShiftyPowers:

yeah, i could use cloned or other setup

[23:46:00]

ShiftyPowers:

i thought cloned would be easiest

[23:46:03]

kormoc:

[shodan], it just needs support for it in the app, not many do

[23:46:04]

Smirnov:

heh you cant even use xvmc for hd play back

[23:46:23]

kormoc:

ShiftyPowers, the nvidia driver readme goes over it all

[23:46:28]

ShiftyPowers:

ah

[23:46:33]

ShiftyPowers:

i'll try to find that

[23:46:46]

kormoc:

ShiftyPowers, it comes in the driver download or it's on their site

[23:46:55]

ShiftyPowers:

yep, i think i found it

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ShiftyPowers:

i'll go through it

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[shodan]:

kormoc, ah ok , well winamp powerdvd vlc mplayer none of these support a video stream stretched accross 2 monitors , video plays in the monitor that has the greater % of the window the other portion of the windows is black

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ShiftyPowers:

what kind of setup do people usually have though? a cloned system

[23:47:19]

ShiftyPowers:

?

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jasonwc:

Smirnov: What do you mean? One of the main advantages of XvMC is the ability to play HD content.

[23:47:26]

ShiftyPowers:

or running two instances of mythtfrontend?

[23:47:31]

jasonwc:

Smirnov: according to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC#Tips_and_Tricks, it works fine

[23:47:33]

Smirnov:

mpeg4 i mean

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kormoc:

[shodan], yeah, it's rare, but I've seem some tech demos that do it fine. it's just not considered worth doing for most apps

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jasonwc:

Smirnov: um, OTA and QAM HDTV is always MPEG-2

[23:48:18]

Smirnov:

QAM?

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[shodan]:

k, well under linux all apps do it apparently :)

[23:48:28]

kormoc:

ShiftyPowers, depends on a few things, I'd do clone in the same room, others, meh

[23:48:43]

ShiftyPowers:

yeah, i'm thinking of cloning

[23:48:46]

jasonwc:

Smirnov: QAM is the standard for unencrypted HDTV over cable

[23:49:03]

kormoc:

[shodan], heh, it's cause of X, some benifits and some issues doing it that way, but I like it :P

[23:49:10]

jasonwc:

so, is anyone here using XvMC with an nvidia card for HD playback. I have a Nvidia FX 5200

[23:49:18]

kormoc:

Yes, I have before

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[shodan]:

I heard a bunch of HDTV channels on the DVB-S subscription satellite nimiq 91 are now h.264 instead of mpeg2 btw

[23:49:40]

Smirnov:

aha

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jasonwc:

[shodan]: SkyOne in the UK has been using H.264 for a while

[23:50:17]

squish102:

when u have possible conflicts, is the higher the recording priority mean it will be recorded?

[23:50:19]

jasonwc:

kormoc: Was it hard to get XvMC working with HD? Also, were you able to get a color OSD.

[23:50:26]

jasonwc:

squish102: yes

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|Torg|:

do you mean nimq 1 not 91 its at the 91 orbital slot

[23:50:31]

squish102:

thanks

[23:50:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

jasonwc: I use XvMC with an NVidia FX5600 – works well.

[23:50:44]

kormoc:

jasonwc, if xvmc works, it works for it all, for the color osd, there's a hack for 5xxx cards that enable it, aye

[23:50:58]

jasonwc:

squish102: 99 is highest priority, -99 is lowest

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[shodan]:

|Torg|, yes

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kormoc:

jasonwc, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC#Gre . . . a_4_.26_5.29

[23:51:05]

|Torg|:

kormoc I have a 5900 it works fine, and there is no hack to get it to work

[23:51:37]

kormoc:

|Torg|, might be enabled by default on 0.20+, with 0.19, it was needed, see the link I just posted

[23:51:46]

jasonwc:

kormoc: Did you have to do anything special to get it to work besides compiling mythtv with xvmc and enabling it in the setup

[23:51:52]

kormoc:

nopers

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|Torg|:

well if they move all the nimq1 feads to mpeg4 the old recievers wouldnt work, so I sorta doubt it

[23:52:12]

Dagmar:

It *seems* to work on my 5200.

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Dagmar:

I mean, my OSD is definitely in garish blue and magenta now

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jasonwc:

kormoc: cool, sounds easy

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|Torg|:

ok kormoc I thought you meant the nvidia drivers, I use the svn trunk tho, you know that :P

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jasonwc:

kormoc: are you capturing OTA HD?

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Dagmar:

At the moment, I am not aesthetically pleased with what I've got for an LCARS OSD

[23:53:09]

kormoc:

jasonwc, nope

[23:53:17]

[shodan]:

|Torg|, do all the HD capable receiver support h.264 ? if yes then they'll probably switch all HD channels to that to save bandwidth

[23:53:20]

Dagmar:

When it comes on the screen, in my eyes I see a large area with "GARISH EYESORE" written on it

[23:53:22]

jasonwc:

kormoc: So, why the need for xvmc?

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kormoc:

|Torg|, heh, fair nuff

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Dagmar:

I'm going to have to definitely use different colors from the main menu

[23:53:34]

kormoc:

jasonwc, lower cpu usage on playback, and to play with it

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|Torg|:

actually shodan none do

[23:53:41]

|Torg|:

none of the legacy ones that is

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jasonwc:

Does QAM have to be MPEG-2?

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jasonwc:

at least for the broadcast channels

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|Torg|:

no

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|Torg|:

QAM is the carrier, mpeg2 is the transport

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|Torg|:

differnt layers

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jasonwc:

Is any cable company using H.264 for their HD channels?

[23:55:04]

Dagmar:

kormoc: Fun side effect of png... IMages that only use about five colors compress like mad. With the elbo as a watermark, it weighs in at about 7.5k total

[23:55:12]

jasonwc:

for the broadcast channels I mean

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[shodan]:

|Torg|, so that rumor that some channels (on BEV) changed to h.264 , it's baloney ?

[23:55:26]

|Torg|:

not in the US jasonwc

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Dagmar:

h.264 patent got blown away this week

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|Torg|:

have changed, yes. Want to change no

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[shodan]:

Dagmar, there are still plenty of patents on h.264

[23:56:17]

jasonwc:

|Torg|: Any likelihood they'll be changing soon? Don't all the PC HDTV cards only support MPEG-2?

[23:56:47]

kormoc:

jasonwc, I believe that's the idea behind QAM, it doesn't matter what the transport it, it'll still grab it fine, right?

[23:57:04]

|Torg|:

the DVB cards dont care what the transport is, just the carrier. They dont actlay encode or decode anything more like the dump it out

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jasonwc:

i see

[23:57:17]

Dagmar:

[shodan]: That definitely blows big holes in their ability to enforce the thing

[23:57:22]

jasonwc:

kormoc: Heh, but try playing 1080i H.264

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|Torg|:

so *IF* the sat providers decided to change they need to change the rendering chips

[23:57:32]

jasonwc:

kormoc: You'll need a dual core minimum/

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|Torg|:

every one of the IRDs I know of use mpeg2 decoder chips otherwise they would need nice fat cpus

[23:57:54]

kormoc:

jasonwc, heh, yeah....

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|Torg|:

so if you wanted to change a BEV to do h464 you would need to change all of its rending parts

[23:58:10]

jasonwc:

do the HD cable boxes even support H.264?

[23:58:12]

wave:

How do I switch over to composite?

[23:58:15]

|Torg|:

the tuners would be the same

[23:58:21]

monkeyBox:

why is it trying to open this file when I'm only trying to watch livetv?

[23:58:30]

[shodan]:

my AMD X2 4200 chokes on some of the scene of the movie Elephant's Dream in 1080p h.264 !

[23:58:37]

kormoc:

monkeyBox, all tv in myth is recorded, live and non-live

[23:58:44]

Dagmar:

monkeyBox: EVerything is recorded. Even LiveTV

[23:58:46]

kormoc:

monkeyBox, it's how you can pause and rewind tv

[23:58:58]

jasonwc:

I thought HD-DVD and Blu-Ray players cost so much to build because of the processor requirements for playing H.264 1080p

[23:59:08]

Dagmar:

[shodan]: XvMC FTW, man.

[23:59:16]

kormoc:

isn't hdtv still mpeg-2?

[23:59:18]

|Torg|:

yes and no jasonwc

[23:59:18]

kormoc:

erm

[23:59:21]

jasonwc:

[shodan]: Try on xp with coreavc pro

[23:59:22]

kormoc:

hd-dvd mpeg2?

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monkeyBox:

kormoc, Dagmar, how can I fix this? I just tried deleting that file in hopes it would just try to re-create it, but it's still looking for the file :(

[23:59:28]

|Torg|:

to get a CISC to do mpeg2 takes allot of power

[23:59:40]

|Torg|:

build a ASIC to do it and its gets much easier

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Dagmar:

monkeyBox: Deleting the thing was a bad idea

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jasonwc:

kormoc: both hd-dvd and blu-ray can use H.264, VC-1 (WMV 9) or MPEG-2

[23:59:48]

kormoc:

monkeyBox, sounds like it's tring to open it to record into, check permissions?

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|Torg|:

there are specialised dsp chips that do it quite well

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[shodan]:

jasonwc, k, I only tried the codecs that came with CCCP default settings

[23:59:52]

kormoc:

jasonwc, ahh, nifty

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