Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, January 21st, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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xris:

Smirnov: does your apache include digest support?

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xris:

maybe you need to revert to htpasswd instead of htdigest

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Smirnov:

hmm.. i would think so since i got an htdigest program

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xris:

true

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Smirnov:

whats the directive to use the htpasswd ?

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xris:

htpasswd

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xris:

AuthType Basic

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lmnk_:

How can I find out which to use us-cable/us-cable-hrc/us-cable-irc ?

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xris:

anyway, sorry to cut short, but I need to head out to costco.

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xris:

lmnk_: us-cable, usually

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lmnk_:

thanks

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Smirnov:

xris: heh now it asks me for a password and doesnt let me in

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Smirnov:

xris: ah got it to work with htpasswd. thanks

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Cyberai:

does anyone know what file mythtv uses to store the setting of what theme it is using?

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Agrajag-:

in the db, settings table

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Cyberai:

oh crap

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Cyberai:

I switched to the Iulius theme and now I can't get myth to start

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Cyberai:

it comes up with the background and sticks there, never even does the "scaling icons" thing.

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Cyberai:

has anyone seen that before?

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kormoc:

it happens from time to time

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Cyberai:

what's the solution?

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kormoc:

there's a command line param to set the theme or set it in the database

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kormoc:

-O Theme=blue perhaps?

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EnterUserName:

hi all

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EnterUserName:

does NUVEXPORT work for rockbox ipod files?

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kormoc:

you can try and see

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EnterUserName:

lol

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EnterUserName:

im doing psp right now..

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EnterUserName:

can ffmpeg autosync thigns :S

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kormoc:

you can type man ffmpeg and see

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gardengnome:

ffmpeg cleaned my kitchen the other day. i swear.

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kormoc:

ooh, nifty, I need that version

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EnterUserName:

wow

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EnterUserName:

ffmpeg is cool

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EnterUserName:

brb

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gardengnome:

kormoc: i'll trade it for a version of mencoder that'll polish my car.

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kormoc:

heh, I need to start grabbing cvs versions of these utils... :P

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gardengnome:

yo ujust can't live without new feature

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gardengnome:

s

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Smirnov:

Can you toggle quality on the fly

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Smirnov:

im getting some pretty crappy quality?

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GreyFoxx:

No, you have to go out and change your recording profile

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Smirnov:

Whats the default one?

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GreyFoxx:

Well, for recording "default", for LiveTV "LiveTV"

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Smirnov:

ok but whats the default quality?

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GreyFoxx:

No clue, haven't seen the defaults in years :)

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kormoc:

2200 kbps iirc

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kormoc:

but you could, I donno.... just look and see for yourself

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gardengnome:

2200kbps would be for software encoder cards

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GreyFoxx:

When in doubt, check the source

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gardengnome:

i doubt i could care less ;)

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GreyFoxx:

That was meant for him, not you :)

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kormoc:

heh, fair nuff

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GreyFoxx:

And by him I meant Smirnov, just to be clear :)

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** hjohnson ponders what to do for a myth front end.. been doing this for a long time. <G> **

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** gardengnome nods **

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hjohnson:

a hacked apple tv looks like it could be fantastic. <G>

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** gardengnome nods again and suggests to do it because it'll make you rich and famous **

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hjohnson:

well, from the looks of it, it's a core solo computer with a 40GB HD, HDMI, ethernet, and usb. <G>

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kormoc:

I heard from someone else that it's not a core solo, nor a core at all, but a pentium m

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hjohnson:

kormoc: apple's site said core solo

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kormoc:

hjohnson, nifty. That's what I was thinking it was, but Mr. SlicerDicer said otherwise

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hjohnson:

but now it just says "intel processor"

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kormoc:

ahh

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kormoc:

so perhaps they don't know yet :P

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hjohnson:

but yeah, I need to start getting going on this... now that I have a back-end up and running..

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hjohnson:

well, myth isn't running yet, but the hardware is.

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kormoc:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_TV#Specifications

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kormoc:

so it is a pentium-m

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GreyFoxx:

I'm curious about any custom decoding hardware

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GreyFoxx:

cause the 1Ghz cpu isn't decoding 720p :)

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kormoc:

it says it has an nvidia card

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kormoc:

so maybe they worked with nvidia to get purevideo for osx?

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GreyFoxx:

possibly

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kormoc:

cause it only supports H264 and mpeg-4, both of which are purevideo codecs

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eradan:

miniliized sure .... my 1.25ghz does 720P (although it's a g4)

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GreyFoxx:

eradan: Yeah, they have hardware decoding

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GreyFoxx:

which is why I'm curious what specifically would they use in this, kormoc is likely right and it's the nvidia card

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eradan:

someone needs to hack that for the mythclient :)

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, you know, you sure it can actually do 1080 videos? it says it can drive a 1080 tv, but in the video specs, it's 720 max

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GreyFoxx:

just what I've read in reviews of it

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** kormoc nods **

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GreyFoxx:

they could certainly be wrong though

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kormoc:

I'm sure soon enough someone will buy one and play with it

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kormoc:

it's certainly cheap enough

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eradan:

couple friends locally ordered them ...

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eradan:

i was tempted for the garage ....

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GreyFoxx:

what are they going for ?

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, $300

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GreyFoxx:

cool

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eradan:

wonder if the stores have them in stock yet ?

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kormoc:

I won't be getting one anytime soon, limited to HDMI, DVI, or component out, and I don't have a tv that can do that :P

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Cyberai:

can anyone tell me how I configure my system to use the tuner card that is not viewing tv to record things? Right now it wants to use the one I am using to watch TV.

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kormoc:

eradan, shipping in Feb, so likely not

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adante:

ok, so i am getting sick of mythtranscode turning my 16:9 recordings into 4:3.. is it possible for me to simply change the aspectratio setting in codecparams to 16:9?

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kormoc:

Cyberai, sure it's not using the other one already?

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Cyberai:

well, it brought up the OSD asking if I wanted to watch while it recorded, etc

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Cyberai:

that tells me it's using the card im on

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Cyberai:

right?

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kormoc:

Cyberai, it's likely using the other one to record already, or it's attempting to record something that only that card can get

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kormoc:

Cyberai, it already attempts to do what you want, you see

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eradan:

anyone know if the ubuntu source has the ivtv driver ?...

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Cyberai:

hmmm, they are both hooked to the same cable, so it's definetely able to get it with the other card. So why does it prompt?

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kormoc:

Cyberai, cause the other card is already in use then, and thus it's not free to record

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Cyberai:

eradan, with ubuntu 6.x (edgy) yes

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Cyberai:

kormoc, but it's not

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kormoc:

Cyberai, how do you know? did you check like I asked?

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Cyberai:

let me look

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Cyberai:

oh, oops

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Cyberai:

it is recording it, so why did it prompt me?

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kormoc:

Cyberai, cause you had a second recording that was scheduled to record, there was no free cards, so then it wanted to know if you wanted to record the scheduled recording or not

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Cyberai:

oh, ok

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t0ny-p40:

hey my font keeps getting small

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t0ny-p40:

any idea what would cause that?

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Cyberai:

thanks

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t0ny-p40:

um..

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t0ny-p40:

st_mode, st_ino, st_dev, st_nlink, st_uid,st_gid, st_size, st_atime, st_mtime, st_ctime

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t0ny-p40:

oops

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t0ny-p40:

I'm getting Can't open file: 'recordedseek.MYI' (errno: 145)

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t0ny-p40:

is that from mysql?

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gardengnome:

yes

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gardengnome:

g'night

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eradan:

night

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t0ny-p40:

oh database error...

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t0ny-p40:

>.<

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t0ny-p40:

which is better fedora or ubuntu for running mythtv?

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t0ny-p40:

I dont think ubuntu is that stable...

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vanquish:

hey all. I have a well functioning mythtv setup, but it seems that one of my channels frequency is wrong – when i go to that specific channel, all i get is static. What is the best way to fix this? To my knowledge, it is the only one out ouf about 70 channels.

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eradan:

run mythtv-setup and rescan

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eradan:

i would gues ...

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kormoc:

are you sure you get it (your tv picks it up?)

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vanquish:

Pretty sure. It's a local channel

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vanquish:

or a local syndicated channel

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kormoc:

you can fine tune the channel in the channel setup (mythtv setup) I believe

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Eradan:

That doesn't have anything to do w/ anything ... :) ... can you tune it ?

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vanquish:

See, i'm almost positive I "scanned" originally

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Eradan:

on a set. :)

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vanquish:

Eradan: can't hurt to double check. hold on one sec.

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Eradan:

vanquish: Was kormoc's suggestion ... but i had that issue on ATSC ... i thought i'd get a digital channel .... but didn't ... :(

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t0ny-p40:

how would I go about fixing this

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t0ny-p40:

2007-01–20 19:54:28.217 DB Error (delta position map insert):

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t0ny-p40:

Query was:

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t0ny-p40:

INSERT INTO recordedseek (chanid, starttime, mark, type, offset) VALUES ( '1012' , '2007-01–20T19:54:00' , '0' , 7 , '2464' );

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t0ny-p40:

Driver error was [2/1016]:

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t0ny-p40:

QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query

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t0ny-p40:

Database error was:

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t0ny-p40:

Can't open file: 'recordedseek.MYI' (errno: 145)

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kormoc:

well, first don't flood the channel

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t0ny-p40:

sorry

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t0ny-p40:

I thought it was shorter

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kormoc:

second, run mysql-repair on the corrupt table

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vanquish:

Eradan, kormoc: yeah, i def. get that channel

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vanquish:

and i don't have a digital tv set, so it can't be that

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kormoc:

vanquish, well, are you using zap2it?

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vanquish:

kormoc: yes

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Eradan:

vanquish: i mean ... i had that problem as well ... just pointing that out ... not saying you need to use a digital set for anything ...

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kormoc:

vanquish, are you sure your cable type in mythtv-seutp is set correct? us-cable?

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vanquish:

kormac: fairly sure. all the other channels are very crsip

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vanquish:

crisp*

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Eradan:

kormoc: would he get any channels if that wasn't ? (just wondering)

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kormoc:

Eradan, yeah. usually only 1–13, but ya never know

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Eradan:

that would throw all frequency bandwidths off ..

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kormoc:

vanquish, well, you can fine tune it in mythtv-setup's channel editor

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kormoc:

that's bout the only thing I can think of

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vanquish:

kormoc: would i get instant feedback?

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Eradan:

Have you already tried a re-scan ?

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kormoc:

vanquish, nope

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kormoc:

Eradan, you don't scan when using zap2it

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vanquish:

kormoc: so...it's gonna pretty hard do to it that way

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** kormoc nods **

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vanquish:

kormoc: hmm. would downloading the frequencies from zap2it do a better job possibly?

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kormoc:

vanquish, aye, as they're the ones it offically is

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Eradan:

kormoc: i don't use NTSC ... didn't know that :) ... you have to scan ATSC even w/ zap2it

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minra:

turns out the samsung tuner is more sensitive to overamplified cable signals

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kormoc:

Eradan, ahh, fair nuff

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kormoc:

minra, nice to know

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** minra *whees* **

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vanquish:

ok, i'll try that first then. Thanks guys :)

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minra:

this is from scouring the comments of the engineers at the ivtv mailing list...

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kormoc:

minra, might want to make a note about it on the wiki, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_PVR-500

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Eradan:

i would think any card would be subject to that ...

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Eradan:

not just the 500

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kormoc:

Eradan, sure, but the pvr 500 might be designed to handle lower levels, due to the fact that it is splitting it once already, and thus might be more flaky with it

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Eradan:

true true ...

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t0ny-p40:

ahhhh! ubuntu keeps randomly crashing

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echosyp:

kormoc, could you point me in the right direction for enabling s-video on my laptop (ati + ubuntu_

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echosyp:

)

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kormoc:

echosyp, honestly, it's a pain. the FGLRX driver's come with a util from ati to help out with it

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echosyp:

well

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echosyp:

i have a problem them

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echosyp:

im using radeon drivers

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echosyp:

i got beryl working with radeon drivers and aiglx

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kormoc:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_TV-Out#ATI-opensource-driver

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kormoc:

it's not easy nor pretty...

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echosyp:

as long as it works

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echosyp:

thanks

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kormoc:

g'luck and godspeed!

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Eradan:

hahaha

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t0ny-p40:

god hates me..... Now sound is not working

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echosyp:

in what

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t0ny-p40:

ok I fixed sound and now getting this from backend

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t0ny-p40:

2007-01–20 20:12:02.480 ret_pid(0) child(10325) status(0x0)

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t0ny-p40:

screw ubuntu..

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Eradan:

damn ... time to install a fullsize OTA antenna in the attic ... this little indoor antenna just isn't cutting it :)

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Eradan:

I love my internet connection ..

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t0ny-p40:

10,000kbs?

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Eradan:

1.5MB / sec

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Eradan:

12mb

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t0ny-p40:

nice, we had 10mbs at the Warhawk for awhile

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minra:

ok edited "Signal Attenuation Warning" to "Signal Strength Warning"

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GreyFoxx:

"warhawk" ?

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WattoDaToydarian:

janneg: I dont understand what you did with Ticket #2498. The changeset is for cd player autoplay and not for ffmpeg?

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hjohnson:

*sigh* it would be nice if there was unscrambled digital content in canada, but from what I understand, everything's encrypted.

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GreyFoxx:

hjohnson: Turns out most of my local digital cable is unencrypted

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GreyFoxx:

Though all of the HD stuff is encrypted

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hjohnson:

GreyFoxx: HD's all that really matters. :)

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GreyFoxx:

pffft

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GreyFoxx:

HD is nice, but it's not that nice :)

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hjohnson:

i'm thinking of buying a mac mini and a cinema HD LCD for my front end. <G>

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hjohnson:

yeah, true, they compress it down to such a low bitrate that it's not that great

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kormoc:

WattoDaToydarian, the changeset he said isn't a mythchangeset, but a ffmpeg changeset... it's just autolinked wrong

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WattoDaToydarian:

kormoc: ok thanks, did he resync mythtv to the latest ffmpeg or did he just test the latest ffmpeg? I dont see any ffmpeg changesets...

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kormoc:

he likely only tested

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t0ny-p40:

is it possible to setup another computer like my Linux file server to just take transcoding jobs from my mythtv box?

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t0ny-p40:

its 1.6Ghz just sitting idle 99% of time :/

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echosyp:

how do you install kernel sources on ubuntu

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lindenle:

Hi I am getting a grren screen in mythtv but in tvtime my capture card works fine, can anyone help me debug this?

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WattoDaToydarian:

echosyp: you probly want the kernel headers with all the devel files. It's "apt-get install build-essential"

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WattoDaToydarian:

lindenle: did you run mythtv-setup and add your capture card, your video source, set your source to the right input, and scan for channels?

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lindenle:

WattoDaToydarian: yes

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lindenle:

WattoDaToydarian: It found all the channels

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lindenle:

WattoDaToydarian: This is interesting if i start tvtime the green screen in mythtv becomes the channel I am viewing in tvtime

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WattoDaToydarian:

lindenle: what does your mythfrontend output from the command line say?

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echosyp:

For proper Direct Rendering Infrastructure support, the kernel source code for the currently running kernel must be installed and compiled. The driver can work without the kernel module, but DRI will not be available.

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lindenle:

WattoDaToydarian: I have ringBuf take too long to read

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WattoDaToydarian:

echosyp: are you installing an ati or nvidia driver from their site?

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echosyp:

ati

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echosyp:

fglrx

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echosyp:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fglrx

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WattoDaToydarian:

echosyp: ok build-essential will give you what you need to install the driver

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echosyp:

its installed and im using it now

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echosyp:

but i still don't have dri

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WattoDaToydarian:

lindenle: did you set your storage group to a place that exists?

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echosyp:

my repositories are jacked or something, synaptic doesn't show some packages

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echosyp:

bitchx, bcm43xx-fwcutter

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lindenle:

WattoDaToydarian: Yes it is creating the nuv files

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lindenle:

WattoDaToydarian: But it is on an encrypted file system should I move it somewhere else?

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WattoDaToydarian:

lindenle: I dont know about the file system, I think if your system can read it there shouldn't be a problem but you might want to try it somewhere else.

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echosyp:

This software driver provides 2D support only for the ATI RadeonÂ® 9100 IGP and ATI RadeonÂ® 9100 PRO IGP

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WattoDaToydarian:

echosyp: what's "bitchx, bcm43xx-fwcutter"?

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echosyp:

is that bad?

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echosyp:

bitchx is irc client

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echosyp:

bcmblah blah

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WattoDaToydarian:

oh

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echosyp:

is for pulling firmware from windows broadcom drivers

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lindenle:

WattoDaToydarian:Ok i will try

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WattoDaToydarian:

echosyp: I think what there saying is for those cards there isn't 3D support

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echosyp:

so, fglrx only gives 2D support for my card, can i still run beryl?

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WattoDaToydarian:

echosyp: I dont think so, beryl probly requires 3d support

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echosyp:

i had beryl running on it with the radeon driver

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echosyp:

it was choppy though

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echosyp:

and i want s-video

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WattoDaToydarian:

well that's probly your best bet, I recommend getting an nvidia card but that's me =)

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echosyp:

fglrx drivers look better than radeon, but radeon i had dri

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echosyp:

i would but its a laptop

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lindenle:

Nvidia cards rule!!

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echosyp:

true

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Dr_willis:

3dfx Cards rule!

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Dr_willis:

:)

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echosyp:

also true

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Dr_willis:

all the video card makers need to do that.

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echosyp:

i or some shit

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echosyp:

in time

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WattoDaToydarian:

Dr_willis: yeah nvidia still slacks a bit

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minra:

ah found another nice hauppage pvr tweak – you can adjust on-card temporal noise filtering – this yields a huge improvement in quality

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Dr_willis:

give them a year or 500

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echosyp:

ok

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echosyp:

so back to the question

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echosyp:

how do i get dri

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echosyp:

and can beryl run with fglrx's 2D support for my card

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lindenle:

Dr_willis: Oh man I miss my old voodoo so much :(

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Dr_willis:

i got dri with my fglrx card.. i did have to reboot after installing them.

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echosyp:

how

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echosyp:

just build-essential

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Dr_willis:

echosyp, all ive ever done is followed the !ati wiki. got it going on my x200m, and my ati9700

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lindenle:

WattoDaToydarian: I see what is happening it is only finding channels up to 13??

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WattoDaToydarian:

echosyp: ati doesn't support 3d with your card, you'll have to use the radeon driver but I found something that might make TV out work with that. http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_TV-Out#ATI-opensource-driver

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WattoDaToydarian:

lindenle: maybe its set for catv when it's not suppose to be or vice versa...

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kormoc:

lindenle, check your freq table in mythtv-setup

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lindenle:

Ok looking now

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kormoc:

lindenle, if you're in the us, it might be set to us-bcast when it should be us-cable

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lindenle:

kormoc: it was set to default

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lindenle:

kormoc: i changed to cable and am testing

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lindenle:

Ah ha!!! Nice

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lindenle:

Now we are cooking with gas

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lindenle:

ok looks good

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eps:

I have a pinnacle 310i and the dvb drivers are setup with firmware and the like; though when I scan in mythtv for channels it just can't get a single lock

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eps:

is any one aware why this might be so, I live in australia and I know the antenna cable is capable of picking up all of the local digital channels

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ShiftyPowers:

guys, what's the keyboard key for volume up and down

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ShiftyPowers:

?

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ShiftyPowers:

when watching tv

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lindenle:

What do i need to connect to my backend from my laptop? Do i need just frontend and do i need a mysql database on my laptop?

[04:24:39]

ShiftyPowers:

;nevermind found it

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ShiftyPowers:

but it isn't adjusting the volume

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ShiftyPowers:

dang

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lmnk_:

[ and ]

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ShiftyPowers:

anyone know how to read an .asoundrc and be able to tell what I should set mythtv settings to control volume?

[04:26:17]

ShiftyPowers:

that would be an awesome help

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ShiftyPowers:

if anyone knows how

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minra:

i can look at asoundrc

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minra:

hmm, no i cant – dont have one

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minra:

i haven't even gotten the backend running yet, so i am the shrimp

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idiosync:

hello minra

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ShiftyPowers:

hold on

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ShiftyPowers:

i'll paste mine

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alsoconfused:

lindenle: you only need the frontend and its supporting libraries

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idiosync:

WinFast DTV2000 H this card is hdtv so it is DVB-T but its not supported on DVB-T devices http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/PCI_devices_DVB-T but it is supported here http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb?cmd=file;file=l . . . -1;style=raw -------so what does that mean exactly

[04:34:58]

ShiftyPowers:

http://www.pastebin.ca/323243

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ShiftyPowers:

minra, http://www.pastebin.ca/323243

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ShiftyPowers:

the mythtv wiki says to just set mixer to default

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ShiftyPowers:

but that doesn't make the volume go up and down in live tv

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idiosync:

can i use it for mythtv or not i am confused

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lindenle:

alsoconfused: And i guess i set it up to talk to the mysql server on the backend/

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alsoconfused:

lindenle: right, only one mysql server no matter how many backends and frontends

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minra:

ShiftyPowers, i don't know what you want to change

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ShiftyPowers:

in mythtvfrontend Setup

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ShiftyPowers:

there is an option to set the audio output device

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ShiftyPowers:

i have it as ALSA:default

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ShiftyPowers:

and sound works great through my SPDIF output

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ShiftyPowers:

but the only thing that doesn't work is volume control

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ShiftyPowers:

which i imagine is a mixer setting problem

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alsoconfused:

ShiftyPowers: is it set to control PCM, or MASTER?

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ShiftyPowers:

either

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ShiftyPowers:

doesn't work either way

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ShiftyPowers:

mixer is set to default

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alsoconfused:

are there any other ALSA options in the mixer settings?

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ShiftyPowers:

nope, just pcm or master

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idiosync:

basically if a card is recognised in the v4l is it usable by mythtv

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idiosync:

if so then whats the difference between videoforlinux and DVB-T

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ShiftyPowers:

figured it out

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ShiftyPowers:

IEC958 Playback AC97-SPSA

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ShiftyPowers:

that's what hte mixer has to control

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alsoconfused:

good deal

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ShiftyPowers:

i'll just have to adjust the speaker volume via the receiver remote control

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ShiftyPowers:

cause the mixer doesn't really work

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alsoconfused:

ShiftyPowers: did you see this thread? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/40899

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ShiftyPowers:

interesting

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ShiftyPowers:

thankis man

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alsoconfused:

it makes sense that if you're using pass-thru then you can't control the volume

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alsoconfused:

if you're not using pass-thru, then maybe it's a different slider you need myth to adjust

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ShiftyPowers:

no, i can now adjust the volume

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ShiftyPowers:

but as soon as it goes below say 80%, it just doesn't output any sound

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ShiftyPowers:

it goes mute

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ShiftyPowers:

same thing if I do it through alsamixer

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alsoconfused:

nothing else in alsamixer does what you want?

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ShiftyPowers:

no, no other ones control the volume

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ShiftyPowers:

out of my spdif

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Dr_willis:

ive heard you cant adjust the volume when using the spdif.

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Dr_willis:

or digital out. I had to move my speaker cables/inputs on my creative card.

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ShiftyPowers:

ah

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ShiftyPowers:

that makes sense Dr_willis

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ShiftyPowers:

i'll just use my soon to arrive harmony remote to adjust the volume on the receiver

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Dr_willis:

what dont make sence.. is it works for me with my Audigy2zs card and its digital out..

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x86:

when running mythtvfilldatabase, it tries to connect to database 'mythtv' instead of 'mythconverg', and i'm not seeing how to specify a database to use

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kormoc:

x86, it uses ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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x86:

cool deal

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x86:

seems to be running now

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Milosch_:

too bad it can't simply prompt you for that info since it is in a config dialog

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Milosch_:

but it's a minor annoyance

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x86:

the problem is that when i was originally trying to setup mythtv, i was doing it as root

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x86:

now i configured it all as a normal user

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x86:

then i went to a console as root to do mythfilldatabase

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x86:

so it was trying to use the old settings

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kormoc:

Milosch, my preference would be system-wide in /etc/mythtv to be honest

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** kormoc shrugs **

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Milosch_:

sure

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** Milosch_ shrugs **

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lindenle:

I have some movies marked as non-browseable but they still show up in the list...why?

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kormoc:

I believe browsable/non-browsable only applys to one view, there's a few different views

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lindenle:

They show up in all views

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kormoc:

donno then

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lindenle:

Another thin in the blue box of OSD I always have Adding Chan for the channel name...how do i fix that

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lindenle:

I guess I want to name them from the zap2it data somehow right?

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kormoc:

when you import the channels from zap2it, it does that automagically

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Agrajag-:

how do i choose a different alsa device? if not default?

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kormoc:

alsa:device

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minra:

someday /me will be able to answer the questions

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kormoc:

default is just a device, so replace default with your new device

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H00chster:

kormoc, you around by chance?

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kormoc:

mornin'

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H00chster:

heh

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H00chster:

wouldn't have to have v4l support in myth to make lirc work with the mce remote would ya?

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H00chster:

am doing a remote frontend

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kormoc:

no, you don't

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H00chster:

nothing but vid card and sound card in, got usb setup in kernel, it detects the mce rx, and lirce module loads fine, irw sees presses, but I run myth and nothing

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H00chster:

when I configure, it says lirc support yes

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H00chster:

I am using current svn

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kormoc:

hrm

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H00chster:

dunno if maybe something changed

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H00chster:

nothing else I need to do to ohhhhhh shit

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H00chster:

nm

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H00chster:

heh

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kormoc:

strange... I'm using current svn-trunk just fine

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kormoc:

heh

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H00chster:

just now realized I didn't put the lircrc in

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kormoc:

that'd do it

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H00chster:

see just needed to come in here and realize my mistakes heh

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H00chster:

any word on lirc supporting the kbd yet? besides your fix?

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kormoc:

the maintainer of mod_mce accepted our patches, so they're offical in his tree

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kormoc:

donno bout lirc proper yet

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t0ny-p40:

any one know how to use the xbox dvd dongle as a ir receiver?

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H00chster:

so prob have to grab cvs then

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H00chster:

well that is what I am using

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t0ny-p40:

the only drivers I could find were for 2.4.x

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H00chster:

actually but of course without the lircrc it won't do jack heh

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H00chster:

so how you go about getting the mod_mce tree seperate from lirc?

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Agrajag-:

hmm one of my frontends is getting heaps of "Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!"

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kormoc:

H00chster, excuse me?

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x86:

excellent... got mythtv working just fine, even with my MCE remote

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x86:

except, there is no audio when i go to watch live TV or a recorded program

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t0ny-p40:

x86 what kind of card do you have?

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x86:

PVR-500

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t0ny-p40:

thats one that does onboard audio right? and mpeg encoder?

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H00chster:

kormoc, well not sure exactly what u mean by the maintainer of mod_mce accepted it, it isn't part of regular lirc cvs is it? or is it something else to get?

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H00chster:

heh

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H00chster:

thank you will check it out

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H00chster:

sorry if I didn't say it clearly heh

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benderz0r:

my analog/digital card only seems to pickup analog and not digital channels

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benderz0r:

310i

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benderz0r:

when I ues the v4l drivers the analog comes up

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x86:

guess it would help if i had the mixer turned up ;)

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kormoc:

benderz0r, did you install dvb drivers for the card?

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benderz0r:

when I use dvt or what ever it's called it scans for diigtal channels and just doesn't get a lock :(

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benderz0r:

yes the dvb drivers and firmware are loaded

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t0ny-p40:

x86, like they always say, "If it dont work, then plug it in."

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kormoc:

you might not have any channels receivable with your antenna then

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benderz0r:

and the signal to noise ratio stuff all comes up during the scan

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x86:

ah the mixer is up and it's still not working

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benderz0r:

kormoc: I have a digital to analog converter set top box which picks up all of the digital channels fine that I'm using the cable from

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benderz0r:

also I'm around 1.5k line of sight from the closest transmitter

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kormoc:

benderz0r, uhh, just to make sure, you're not routing from the convert box to your dvb card, right?

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benderz0r:

indeed; I unplugged the cable from the box and put it in the dvb card instead

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kormoc:

kk

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benderz0r:

the cable comes straight from the antenna

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kormoc:

well, I'm not too familar with DVB, so I don't really have much to recommend. You can try the mailing lists, or waiting till someone a tad more familar comes on

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benderz0r:

thank you :)

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kormoc:

you're welcome

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x86:

well hmm

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x86:

any other ideas?

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x86:

for no audio

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kormoc:

check the output from mythfrontend, make sure it's not throwing any errors

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t0ny-p40:

wtf, I cant change channels on my cable box now...

[07:19:33]

kormoc:

perhaps try -v audio

[07:19:40]

kormoc:

(not sure if that flag exists)

[07:20:22]

t0ny-p40:

crw-rw-rw- whats the c mean?

[07:20:29]

x86:

char devices

[07:20:30]

kormoc:

Char device

[07:20:40]

x86:

as opposed to 'b' which is block device

[07:20:45]

t0ny-p40:

oh ok

[07:21:41]

t0ny-p40:

WORK!

[07:22:23]

t0ny-p40:

works in ubuntu why not fedora...

[07:22:34]

t0ny-p40:

Communication failed after 5 tries

[07:22:34]

t0ny-p40:

0

[07:22:35]

t0ny-p40:

:/

[07:22:45]

t0ny-p40:

Its even plugged it...

[07:22:53]

defaultro:

hey folks, which package does plugreport come from?

[07:23:43]

defaultro:

hmm, looks like it comes with libie

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Jack is now known as Jack3

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EnterUserName:

hi all

[07:27:48]

EnterUserName:

does nuvexport autoamtically skip commercials

[07:27:53]

EnterUserName:

when you export videos

[07:28:58]

kormoc:

if you import the comm flags to the cut list and tell it to use the cut list, yes

[07:29:16]

EnterUserName:

kormoc: how do i do that?

[07:30:03]

EnterUserName:

is there a howto anywherE?

[07:30:05]

kormoc:

when watching a recording, press e z e to import the flags to the cutlist, and then to use the cutlist in an option nuvexport asks

[07:30:24]

EnterUserName:

oh ok let me try

[07:31:10]

** defaultro found libiec61883-utils.i386 was not installed :P **

[07:31:11]

EnterUserName:

umm mythcommflag cutts the commercials

[07:31:21]

EnterUserName:

automatically so just pressign eze willw ork?

[07:33:11]

kormoc:

mythcommflags *flags* the commercials, hence then flags in the name

[07:33:31]

kormoc:

you need to import those flags into the cutlist, which is what e z e does

[07:33:48]

EnterUserName:

got it thank you.. im trying it :)

[07:34:44]

t0ny-p40:

yay serial is working... no idea how just started to work! Weeeeeee!

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lborreson:

where do I ask a question arround here

[07:39:14]

t0ny-p40:

here

[07:40:59]

lborreson:

I just setup my first Linux / MythTV system and I got it to work until I told it to use my PVR-350 to use the tv-out

[07:41:12]

kormoc:

x86, what type of card?

[07:41:31]

lborreson:

NOw sound comes out and no video

[07:41:39]

kormoc:

lborreson, are you using the X driver or the mythfrontend pvr 350 out?

[07:41:41]

x86:

kormoc: PVR-500

[07:41:57]

kormoc:

x86, make sure you selected the correct card type in mythtv-setup

[07:41:58]

lborreson:

how do I get it back to the monitor

[07:42:08]

x86:

i did

[07:42:24]

lborreson:

kormoc, mythfrontend

[07:42:36]

kormoc:

x86, it shouldn't even be looking for a audio input with the correct card type selected.

[07:42:56]

kormoc:

lborreson, it's highly recommended you use the ivtv X driver rather then the mythfrontend option. it works much better

[07:43:09]

kormoc:

lborreson, you might actually need to just reset the box to get it back

[07:43:44]

lborreson:

kormoc, reset?

[07:43:57]

kormoc:

lborreson, reboot, power off and on the computer

[07:44:42]

lborreson:

kormoc, wont mythtv retain my settings and and still try to use the tv out

[07:44:48]

x86:

(for outputting audio)

[07:44:57]

x86:

but something is still not right in the backend or something

[07:45:27]

kormoc:

lborreson, only if it auto boots into the frontend

[07:46:30]

kormoc:

x86, you know... I don't think myth supports capturing off of video24 correctly...

[07:46:33]

lborreson:

kormoc, I will try that, but is there a way to change the frontend settings without loading it

[07:46:46]

kormoc:

lborreson, you can change it in the database, in the settings table

[07:47:01]

x86:

kormoc: i thought the PVR-500 was one of the most supported cards?

[07:47:29]

kormoc:

lborreson, UPDATE settings SET data = 0 WHERE value = 'PVR350OutputEnable';

[07:48:34]

x86:

ah right, video24, etc are radio

[07:48:36]

lborreson:

kormoc, newbee question, how do you edit/view the database

[07:48:48]

x86:

so that's not my issue then

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x86:

hmm... wonder why it's not giving me audio then

[07:49:07]

kormoc:

lborreson, usually typing this in a terminal, mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg

[07:49:22]

kormoc:

lborreson, that should take you to a mysql prompt (mysql> or similar)

[07:49:35]

kormoc:

lborreson, then type in that command and it should set the setting for you

[07:50:00]

kormoc:

x86, so you're sure you don't have it set to use /dev/video24?

[07:51:10]

x86:

yes

[07:51:25]

kormoc:

welp, get the output of the backend then, that's the next step

[07:51:26]

x86:

i thought i would have to, but thinking about it now it doesnt make sense to do so ;)

[07:51:31]

x86:

ok

[07:51:38]

x86:

just run it in the foreground eh?

[07:51:53]

kormoc:

aye

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x86:

AFD: Opened codec 0x8170630, id(MPEG2VIDEO) type(Video)

[07:54:06]

x86:

AFD: Opened codec 0x8170980, id(MP2) type(Audio)

[07:55:15]

x86:

what am i looking for?

[07:55:24]

x86:

no errors or anything as far as i can tell

[07:56:45]

x86:

can i re-run mythtv-setup without harming my existing configuration?

[07:56:52]

kormoc:

yes

[07:57:03]

kormoc:

well, that's perfectly the correct output you should get

[07:57:07]

x86:

i'm thinking maybe i selected the wrong audio channel or something

[07:57:10]

kormoc:

you're looking for any errors or warnings

[07:57:29]

Dagmar:

Or little flowers.

[07:57:46]

kormoc:

little flowers are for the special people

[07:58:28]

t0ny-p40:

How do I tell alsa I want /dev/dsp1 my ALSA:default?

[07:58:37]

kormoc:

setup a asoundrc file

[07:58:42]

kormoc:

google has plenty of howtos

[08:03:37]

t0ny-p40:

I'll just take the other card out

[08:03:41]

x86:

kormoc: not seeing anything odd in the config...

[08:03:52]

x86:

and the video works just fine...

[08:09:06]

kormoc:

check ivtvctl/v4lctl and try to unmute the card manually?

[08:13:05]

Paladine:

anyone seen that sci-fi show "Heros"?

[08:13:38]

x86:

yeah niether of those can unmute a card, according to thier --help pages

[08:14:15]

mchou:

t0ny-p40: it's the black hole effect

[08:15:41]

t0ny-p40:

ether that or gnomes

[08:16:00]

x86:

oh wait, v4l2-ctl can

[08:16:27]

Dagmar:

Paladine: yep

[08:16:31]

x86:

kormoc: according to v4l2-ctl, the volume is 58880 out of 65535

[08:16:44]

kormoc:

check the mute flag

[08:16:45]

x86:

ooo!

[08:16:53]

Paladine:

Dagmar, any good?

[08:16:54]

x86:

i totally missed that, and it's set to 1

[08:17:04]

Paladine:

it is due to start in the UK soon

[08:17:45]

Dagmar:

Paladine: It's very good, actually

[08:18:52]

Paladine:

cool, I will have to make sure to add it to my schedule

[08:18:55]

x86:

# v4l2-ctl --set-ctrl=mute=0

[08:19:02]

x86:

mute: invalid argument

[08:19:11]

Paladine:

it isn't in the epg yet but it should be soon

[08:19:36]

Dagmar:

You can actually watch it all now, probably

[08:19:41]

Dagmar:

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/

[08:19:44]

Dagmar:

They let people watch it online

[08:19:52]

x86:

kormoc: any ideas?

[08:20:03]

x86:

kormoc: i'm going by the example in --help

[08:20:25]

kormoc:

x86, don't you need to pass it a device? i.e. /dev/video0 ?

[08:20:39]

x86:

i didnt have to for --list-ctrls

[08:20:44]

t0ny-p40:

SHIT!

[08:20:55]

kormoc:

donno

[08:21:30]

Dagmar:

okay, let's see...

[08:21:36]

Dagmar:

You hit your machine and it nearly dies...

[08:21:40]

Dagmar:

So you hit it again?

[08:21:47]

Dagmar:

...and now you're upset.

[08:21:53]

t0ny-p40:

no the rattling almost stopped

[08:22:08]

Dagmar:

Well, you stopped the rattling.

[08:22:11]

t0ny-p40:

and it was not a hard hit ether

[08:22:15]

t0ny-p40:

lol

[08:22:59]

cesman:

froogle is your friend

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kormoc:

Dagmar, I went over that with him the last time he mentioned it, but he felt that as long as it didn't rattle after being hit, all was well

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kormoc:

Dagmar, I'd love to know how many bad sectors he's caused on his drives

[08:24:12]

Dagmar:

heh

[08:24:54]

t0ny-p40:

It was a soft hit

[08:25:20]

kormoc:

unless you have hardware rated for impacts, soft hit... hard hit... doesn't overly matter

[08:25:21]

t0ny-p40:

not enough to hurt the hdd

[08:25:40]

t0ny-p40:

the hdd is on the other side of the case

[08:25:48]

Paladine:

weird, it is supposed to start on 22nd Jan according to the tv commercials, but it is not in the EPG

[08:25:57]

Paladine:

so I guess the guide is wrong

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kormoc:

t0ny-p40, uhh... you do know that hard drives work by floating the heads a few hundreths of a millimeter above the disk platters on air, right?

[08:26:42]

kormoc:

t0ny-p40, and if those heads hit the platter, it causes damage...

[08:26:48]

t0ny-p40:

yes

[08:27:07]

t0ny-p40:

there not that unstable before

[08:27:14]

t0ny-p40:

- before

[08:27:24]

mchou:

you guys are hilarious

[08:27:27]

kormoc:

t0ny-p40, so you're saying that a soft hit enough to cause a fan to stop rattling isn't enough to move a head a few hundredths of a millimeter?

[08:28:10]

kormoc:

t0ny-p40, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_crash

[08:28:23]

t0ny-p40:

kormoc, I've punched my old computer hard enough to reset it and never damaged the hdd

[08:28:57]

kormoc:

t0ny-p40, no, you likely did, hard drives have spare sectors to remap damaged sectors to, you've never run of of them tis all.

[08:29:11]

mchou:

considering most HDD are rated for in excess of 300Gs

[08:29:23]

t0ny-p40:

mchou, thats in the off state

[08:30:12]

mchou:

t0ny-p40: dont listen to kormoc. He has no idea about HDDs and laptop abuse

[08:30:35]

kormoc:

mchou, we're not talking about laptop drives here... different beasts

[08:30:36]

Paladine:

it isn't even in the STB's EPG

[08:31:00]

Paladine:

so it is not xmltv that has it wrong

[08:31:01]

mchou:

the way to tell if you've had hot sector sparing is to look at the SMART info

[08:31:14]

Dagmar:

...and to *not beat the hardware*

[08:31:19]

t0ny-p40:

all is well!

[08:31:24]

kormoc:

t0ny-p40, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_disk_failure

[08:31:30]

t0ny-p40:

the mother board cable was almost out

[08:31:35]

kormoc:

"A disk failure may occur in the course of normal operation, or due to an external factor such as exposure to fire or water or high magnetic waves, or suffering a sharp impact, which can lead to a head crash."

[08:31:46]

mchou:

kormoc: lol

[08:32:07]

mchou:

you think wikipedia is the "autority" on this?

[08:32:11]

t0ny-p40:

I think I did that when I was taking the side off

[08:32:26]

Dagmar:

hahah

[08:32:28]

kormoc:

mchou, way better then you are

[08:32:55]

mchou:

kormoc: that's funny considering I've worked for a HDD company in a previous life

[08:33:46]

t0ny-p40:

I may destroy a 1gb hdd latter tonight just to see how much it takes to break it :)

[08:33:52]

mchou:

kormoc: you've got no idea how an air bearing works

[08:34:01]

Paladine:

ahhhhh I see the problem

[08:34:11]

Paladine:

it starts on 19th Feb not 22nd Jan

[08:34:22]

Dagmar:

s/I had a dream once//;

[08:34:24]

Dagmar:

wrong channel

[08:34:25]

Paladine:

s2 starts on nbc on 22 Jan (in the US)

[08:34:43]

t0ny-p40:

mchou, you mean the force of air between the platter and the head?

[08:35:09]

mchou:

t0ny-p40: yup

[08:35:13]

t0ny-p40:

if it was an airplane that would be called ground affect :)

[08:36:33]

mchou:

t0ny-p40: applies to helicopters too

[08:38:14]

t0ny-p40:

yay it passes post! :)

[08:39:43]

mchou:

t0ny-p40: operating shock rating is in excess of 60G

[08:40:38]

t0ny-p40:

a human would die at that :)

[08:41:12]

mchou:

not too many living things would survive 60G

[08:41:25]

mchou:

plants included :)

[08:41:56]

t0ny-p40:

I think the heart would rip off from the aorta at ~50G

[08:42:24]

mchou:

t0ny-p40: how would you know this?

[08:42:31]

t0ny-p40:

tv :)

[08:42:32]

t0ny-p40:

lol

[08:42:38]

mchou:

t0ny-p40: you a guard at gitmo?

[08:42:43]

mchou:

:)

[08:42:51]

t0ny-p40:

training to be :)

[08:42:52]

t0ny-p40:

lol

[08:43:03]

t0ny-p40:

I want to go flying now.

[08:43:15]

t0ny-p40:

Summer was the last time I've been up

[08:43:59]

t0ny-p40:

http://flickr.com/photos/t0ny/sets/72157594234342178/ :)

[08:44:21]

t0ny-p40:

I think we scared off kormoc

[08:44:36]

mchou:

nah

[08:44:56]

mchou:

kormoc is just sulking off in the corner somewheres

[08:45:16]

Paladine:

t0ny-p40, you serious about Gitmo?

[08:45:17]

t0ny-p40:

I wonder if I should eat...

[08:45:22]

t0ny-p40:

no

[08:45:24]

mchou:

Paladine: lol

[08:45:27]

Paladine:

thank christ for that

[08:45:57]

mchou:

t0ny-p40: where was this flight?

[08:46:42]

t0ny-p40:

Nampa, Id

[08:47:06]

mchou:

hmm, nice and very clear over there

[08:48:01]

t0ny-p40:

not really

[08:48:15]

mchou:

t0ny-p40: you live around there?

[08:48:36]

t0ny-p40:

caldwell, idaho

[08:49:17]

mchou:

t0ny-p40: I've always wondered how peple make a living in Idaho :)

[08:49:29]

mchou:

t0ny-p40: you work for Micron? :)

[08:49:35]

mchou:

people*

[08:49:39]

t0ny-p40:

no

[08:49:48]

t0ny-p40:

I can't get a job

[08:49:53]

t0ny-p40:

I've been trying

[08:50:06]

mchou:

you serious or just yanking my chain?

[08:50:13]

t0ny-p40:

Its really hard now because I'm going to night school 4pm to 9pm

[08:50:32]

t0ny-p40:

I dont have my diploma yet

[08:50:37]

t0ny-p40:

no

[08:50:57]

t0ny-p40:

Not much tech jobs

[08:51:07]

mchou:

what are you studying at night school?

[08:52:30]

t0ny-p40:

us government

[08:52:31]

Paladine:

micron are in boise arn't they?

[08:52:42]

t0ny-p40:

near it I think

[08:52:50]

Paladine:

I have a friend who used to work for them

[08:52:51]

mchou:

t0ny-p40: so is HP

[08:52:52]

Paladine:

he lived in Boise

[08:53:17]

mchou:

t0ny-p40: studying US govt?

[08:53:35]

mchou:

t0ny-p40: you gonna be a civil servant? :)

[08:54:23]

t0ny-p40:

making up a high school credit

[08:54:36]

mchou:

t0ny-p40: sigh....

[08:54:53]

t0ny-p40:

lol, I hate homework :)

[08:55:10]

mchou:

no HS diploma? damn. no wonder you cant get a job :)

[08:55:37]

t0ny-p40:

lol

[08:55:39]

mchou:

I thought you meant college diploma earlier

[08:56:20]

t0ny-p40:

I'm going to start collage next winter I think

[08:56:30]

t0ny-p40:

eer fall

[08:56:43]

mchou:

going to art school?

[08:56:45]

mchou:

:)

[08:56:55]

t0ny-p40:

no

[08:57:03]

t0ny-p40:

I might do programming

[08:57:21]

mchou:

dude that was a joke. "collage"

[08:58:12]

t0ny-p40:

I'm tired

[08:58:13]

t0ny-p40:

lol

[08:58:21]

mchou:

t0ny-p40: no college I know awards degrees in programming :)

[08:58:29]

Dagmar:

Damn freetype is evil

[08:58:51]

t0ny-p40:

itt does I thnk

[08:58:54]

mchou:

in fact most colleges go out of their way not to teach programming

[08:59:18]

mchou:

bah, itt. go to a real school instead of a diploma mill.

[08:59:23]

Paladine:

sweet 24 starts tonight :)

[08:59:37]

t0ny-p40:

whats a good mixer?

[08:59:41]

mchou:

Paladine: huh?? 24 started last week

[08:59:53]

t0ny-p40:

the gui for fedora does not like oss only alsa

[08:59:53]

Paladine:

not in the UK it didn't

[09:00:04]

mchou:

Paladine: ok

[09:00:34]

Paladine:

good mixer? I like tequila with sweet'n'sour

[09:01:23]

mchou:

I dont understand why I eat like a horse these days and still feel hungry all the frigging time

[09:01:45]

Dagmar:

Damn this thing I am never going to get it to use the bloody font I want it to

[09:02:01]

Paladine:

mchou, simple, most supermarket food nowadays is filled with water

[09:02:20]

mchou:

Paladine: I avoid the processed junk

[09:02:24]

Paladine:

you need good fresh produce and meat from a proper butcher to get real food anymore

[09:02:30]

Paladine:

mchou, not just processed

[09:02:41]

Paladine:

all factory package food tends to be filled with water

[09:02:52]

Paladine:

it's ridiculous

[09:02:52]

Dagmar:

Anyone know of a way to probe a given TTF file and see what the hell Freetype thinks it's named?

[09:02:57]

t0ny-p40:

this bottled water is watered down

[09:02:58]

mchou:

by processed I meant "packaged"

[09:03:10]

Paladine:

so you only buy fresh farm food?

[09:03:29]

mchou:

Paladine: i'd say 85% of the time

[09:03:35]

Paladine:

wow you are lucky then

[09:03:47]

Paladine:

it is almost impossible to come buy in the UKunless you are rich

[09:03:52]

mchou:

produce from a real produce stand (not supermarket)

[09:04:22]

xris:

Paladine: water's the least of the problem.

[09:04:39]

Paladine:

xris, it is a big part of it, it adds to the weight and comes out when you cook it

[09:04:41]

mchou:

Paladine: that's cause ppl in the UK dont know how to cook

[09:04:54]

Paladine:

mchou, I beg to differ I am an excellent cook

[09:04:59]

mchou:

Paladine: lol

[09:05:04]

xris:

Paladine: I'm more worried about the stuff that *doesn't* cook off.

[09:05:20]

Paladine:

xris, yeah that too, but I was talking about why food isn't filling anymore

[09:05:30]

xris:

Paladine: at least the UK has a decent set of gmo/preservative type laws.

[09:05:35]

mchou:

Paladine: by that I meant there is no "demand" for fresh produce in the UK

[09:05:37]

Paladine:

half the density cooks out as the water evaporates

[09:06:03]

Paladine:

I wish I could afford to buy fresh meat from the butchers

[09:06:03]

mchou:

Paladine: if more ppl had sit down family meals then that would change

[09:06:08]

Paladine:

but it is so expensive

[09:06:14]

xris:

Paladine: it's not filling because it's mostly fat and high fructose corn syrup.. the former doesn't stay in your system long, and the latter inhibits the feeling of being full.

[09:06:21]

mchou:

Paladine: lol, and get mad cow? no thanks :)

[09:06:29]

t0ny-p40:

omg, my sound is bad

[09:06:40]

xris:

Paladine: could always stop eating meat. :) i solved that problem 10 years ago. :)

[09:06:45]

Paladine:

mchou, mad cow is not an issue in the UK

[09:06:46]

t0ny-p40:

what would cause low quality sound?

[09:06:54]

Paladine:

despite what the international media would have you believe

[09:07:00]

xris:

t0ny-p40: bad sound where?

[09:07:08]

Paladine:

it was an issue for a short period of time

[09:07:10]

t0ny-p40:

in mythtv

[09:07:16]

Paladine:

but the same is not true now

[09:07:41]

mchou:

Paladine: yeah, but how would you really know?

[09:07:55]

Paladine:

mchou, because it would be all over the news

[09:07:55]

xris:

t0ny-p40: recorded shows, live tv, mythvideo, mythmusic? mythtv isn't just one app.

[09:08:02]

Paladine:

KJD doesn't go unreported in the UK

[09:08:04]

mchou:

there is evidence now that prions can be "inherited"

[09:08:06]

t0ny-p40:

sound ok straight from line in but thoure myth it sounds like crap

[09:08:13]

t0ny-p40:

live tv

[09:08:19]

xris:

t0ny-p40: framegrabber card?

[09:08:37]

mchou:

Paladine: no, that's modified JKD

[09:08:52]

Paladine:

KJD you mean

[09:08:53]

mchou:

is what mad cow is

[09:09:05]

Paladine:

Kurtzov Jakov Disease or however it is spelt

[09:09:16]

t0ny-p40:

rocks + cow = mad cow

[09:09:17]

Paladine:

is the human version

[09:09:17]

mchou:

no, in US it's Jacob Krutzfeld

[09:09:29]

Paladine:

in the UK it is KJD

[09:10:12]

xris:

t0ny-p40: other apps sound fine? have you tweaked the recording quality under recording profiles?

[09:10:30]

mchou:

Paladine: anyway, there is now way to really know the food supply is safe is my point

[09:10:54]

Paladine:

mchou, there never has been, but it doesn't mean I am going to stop eating, I would die

[09:11:01]

mchou:

JKD doesnt show up in humans until it's way too late and the stuff has long been consumed

[09:11:06]

Paladine:

but the fact remains there have been no casesin the UK for some time

[09:11:24]

mchou:

bah

[09:11:36]

mchou:

that's the quiet b4 the storm

[09:11:47]

Paladine:

actually thats not true

[09:11:57]

mchou:

doesnt mean it cant happen again

[09:12:25]

Paladine:

the very fact the legislative changes didn't come in until years after the problem started means if it was a serious issue there would have been a steady flow of cases throughout the last 10 years

[09:12:26]

** xris is glad he doesn't have to worry about such things. **

[09:12:34]

Paladine:

but there have only been a few isolated cases

[09:12:36]

mchou:

Paladine: all you'd have to do is stop eating beef. That's hardly life threatening

[09:12:55]

Paladine:

mchou, I have no intention of stopping eating beef

[09:13:00]

Paladine:

although i do eat very little beef

[09:13:05]

Paladine:

I am more a chicken man

[09:13:10]

mchou:

there is pork and chicken, just to mention a few other meats

[09:13:26]

xris:

blech. I would fear pork FAR more than beef.

[09:13:31]

mchou:

I wouldn't eat veal either because they have scrapie

[09:13:36]

Paladine:

however I do live an almost exclusively meat diet due to my bowel disease which makes it impossible for me to digest many grains, cereals and fibrous foods

[09:14:02]

Paladine:

I am very restricted with what I can eat

[09:14:04]

mchou:

scrapie is analogous to mad cow, prionic disease

[09:14:17]

xris:

Paladine: crohn's?

[09:14:34]

mchou:

xris: dude, there is absolutely nothing wrong with pork

[09:14:37]

Paladine:

xris, colitis (the other serious bowel disease)

[09:14:48]

mchou:

xris: especially if it's cooked properly

[09:14:49]

xris:

Paladine: unfortunate.

[09:15:13]

Paladine:

xris, yeah very annoying, it is amazing how many foods I simply cannot eat

[09:15:16]

xris:

mchou: all I know is that there are things that can grow in it that you can't kill with cooking.. (and yes, I know there are no reported cases in the US)

[09:15:21]

Paladine:

and of course no alcohol

[09:15:23]

t0ny-p40:

sound like crap in audacity too

[09:15:35]

mchou:

Paladine: gluten intolerance?

[09:15:50]

Paladine:

mchou, colitis

[09:15:55]

Paladine:

ulceration of the colon

[09:16:16]

Paladine:

like crohn,s except crohns is the duodenum (small intestine)

[09:16:19]

xris:

Paladine: no idea if it would help, but I know that kefir is quite beneficial to crohns

[09:16:20]

mchou:

Paladine: is that cause by bacteria?

[09:16:32]

Paladine:

mchou, no

[09:16:36]

t0ny-p40:

xris, http://t0ny.org/s.wav

[09:16:58]

Paladine:

there is no known cause for colitis

[09:17:00]

xris:

t0ny-p40: so all programs sound like crap, or just stuff you record with mythtv?

[09:17:05]

Paladine:

it is believed to be linked to my sleep disorder though

[09:17:11]

t0ny-p40:

all recorded

[09:17:28]

Paladine:

terminal unfortunately

[09:17:32]

xris:

t0ny-p40: that doesn't answer my question. what about an mp3 or something not from mythtv?

[09:17:37]

t0ny-p40:

straight from the card it sound ok

[09:17:50]

t0ny-p40:

Playing sounds are fine

[09:17:53]

Paladine:

when I do eventually die it is ilkely (unless I get cancer or get hit by a bus etc) that it will be the colitis that kills me

[09:18:45]

Paladine:

it almost killed me once already 3 years ago

[09:18:45]

mchou:

Paladine: well, for a very long time they didnt find out peptic ulcers were caused by bacteria

[09:19:02]

mchou:

almost doesnt count :)

[09:19:03]

Paladine:

mchou, not all stomach ulcers are caused by bacteria

[09:19:07]

Paladine:

just the most common form

[09:19:18]

Paladine:

I also have stomach ulcers, but not the bacteria form

[09:19:27]

mchou:

Paladine: damn

[09:19:36]

mchou:

that sucks

[09:19:41]

xris:

t0ny-p40: and have you checked the quality settings in mythtv's recording profiles?

[09:19:46]

Paladine:

my gastric problems are believed to be linked to my sleep disorder

[09:19:52]

Paladine:

I only sleep ~15 hours a week

[09:20:00]

mchou:

Paladine: sheesh

[09:20:11]

Paladine:

Ioften go 2–3 days without any sleep

[09:20:23]

mchou:

Paladine: you an isomiac?

[09:20:26]

Paladine:

in 1993 I went 9 days without sleep

[09:20:31]

mchou:

insomiac*

[09:20:36]

Paladine:

no I have hyperconsciousness

[09:20:53]

Paladine:

my brain can't relax enough to sleep

[09:20:54]

mchou:

Paladine: no, now you're just pulling our leg

[09:21:04]

Paladine:

no I am very serious

[09:21:09]

Paladine:

had it al my life

[09:21:10]

mchou:

I think you have Munchausen's

[09:21:26]

Paladine:

spent most of my childhood in medical research labs

[09:21:30]

t0ny-p40:

xris, recording profiles are set ok

[09:21:39]

mchou:

there is now way a human can funtion w/o sleeping for 9 days

[09:21:49]

mchou:

function*

[09:21:55]

Paladine:

actually the human body can go 12+/-3 days without REM sleep

[09:22:11]

mchou:

that means you are "stealing" catnaps

[09:22:15]

xris:

t0ny-p40: audio quality is set to what?

[09:22:15]

t0ny-p40:

I was read about this one guy who can sleep, he has been going for 30 years without any

[09:22:15]

Paladine:

which is why when I went 9 days in 1993 I ended up in hospital for some time

[09:22:34]

Paladine:

yeah there is a unique case of a vietnamese man who hasn't slept in 30 years

[09:22:42]

Paladine:

but he is unique

[09:22:45]

t0ny-p40:

mp3, and quality is set to 7

[09:22:47]

mchou:

now, there is a family in Italy that cant sleep (genetic)

[09:23:02]

mchou:

saw a documentary on them

[09:23:07]

t0ny-p40:

Paladine, thats the one I'm talking about

[09:23:23]

Paladine:

but the averagehuman dies after 12–15 days without REM

[09:23:34]

Paladine:

funny I was just having a conversation about this in another channel last night

[09:23:57]

xris:

mchou: stage 1 sleep is also semi-conscious... the "nodding off" scenario.

[09:24:18]

mchou:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6503414

[09:24:37]

mchou:

"They die w/in months"

[09:24:37]

xris:

t0ny-p40: not sure what's wrong with your stuff, then.

[09:25:38]

Paladine:

mchou, I majored in neuropsych, the averagehuman can only last 12–15 days without REM

[09:25:43]

mchou:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6525243

[09:25:44]

Paladine:

obviously there are exceptions

[09:25:47]

Paladine:

same as everything

[09:25:54]

Paladine:

thats why it is an average :p

[09:26:17]

xris:

Paladine: I thought REM only started to affect sanity at that point.

[09:26:26]

x86:

hmm

[09:26:37]

x86:

why the hell can't I unmute my PVR-500?

[09:26:47]

Paladine:

xris, no REM is essential to life

[09:26:55]

xris:

Paladine: interesting.

[09:27:05]

Paladine:

mchou, the fact that their disease is genetic would explain why they manage to live longer than most

[09:27:10]

xris:

that's what I get for switching from psych to anthro.

[09:27:15]

Paladine:

their genetics would have evolved to a degree

[09:27:42]

Paladine:

anthropology rocks

[09:27:46]

Paladine:

you get to study magic

[09:27:48]

mchou:

Paladine: no, the disease only "turns on" at middle age or thereabouts

[09:28:03]

Paladine:

mchou, it doesn't matter when it turnson it is still a genetic trait

[09:28:06]

Paladine:

the gene is there

[09:28:10]

mchou:

but once the genes turn on they are doomed

[09:28:32]

xris:

Paladine: depends on what area of anthro you study.

[09:28:55]

xris:

anyway, some of us DO sleep... and I need to crash if I don't want my flu to come back / get worse again.

[09:28:59]

Paladine:

xris, all my mates who did anthro studied a module on magic in their first year

[09:29:00]

xris:

'night.

[09:29:02]

Paladine:

it was quite interesting

[09:29:08]

Paladine:

looking at shamens etc.

[09:29:16]

Paladine:

gnight man

[09:29:27]

xris:

I spent most of my time reading about hinduism and islam.

[09:29:30]

xris:

and buddhism.

[09:29:46]

Paladine:

I have read the Tibetan Book of the Dead if that counts ;)

[09:29:54]

xris:

and a couple of archaeological digs

[09:29:59]

Paladine:

(western translation obviously)

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t0ny-p40:

what do you call the decade we are in?

[09:52:57]

kormoc:

http://www.slate.com/id/2111435/

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mboman:

Greetings. I just got myself a MythTV box, but when I play DVD I just getting high-frequency static – but all other media is playing fine. Got any suggestions?

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t0ny-p40:

Ok, every thing is working!

[10:31:51]

t0ny-p40:

time for bed 3:30am :)

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t0ny-p40:

before I die

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t0ny-p40:

night all

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The-FoX:

Hello, i got a problem: i installed mythfrontend to be autostarted under gnome, but always it starts the database setup at first, what could be the probleme

[11:55:16]

BULLE:

The-FoX: what do you mean with "database setup" ?

[11:58:15]

The-FoX:

The screen where i can enter the database server name and port and so on

[11:58:58]

The-FoX:

After clicking on "finish"-button the mythfrontend starts,but i can't controll it with IR, when i exit this mythfrontend and restart it myself no database setup screen comes and i can use the IR

[12:00:01]

rsdvd:

it seems to be failing to connect to the database – are you sureyour auto user is the same as the one you are manually using? the user that is auto-logging in needs to have the right mysql.txt

[12:00:44]

The-FoX:

The autolog useris mythvt

[12:01:30]

The-FoX:

Mythtv and after the logon into gnome, when i start mythfrontendmyself as theusermythtv it woks too, the onlything i do is: just clicking through the setup

[12:04:46]

Dagmar:

Does the font for a theme have to be _installed_ on the machine or can it just be in the theme directory?

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benderz0r:

should just be there

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Dagmar:

That doesn't even come close to the actual question

[12:24:10]

Dagmar:

"Installed font" meaning one X now knows about and is cached and visible in fc-list output and so forth, as in more than just copied to somewhere in the filesystem

[12:24:37]

Dagmar:

I see a bunch of people have Vera.ttf in their theme directory and I suspect that needs to be ended

[12:25:05]

Dagmar:

It's not technically legal to distribute it like that as far as I know, for one thing

[12:33:23]

BULLE:

Dagmar: The fonts have a generous copyright, allowing derivative works (as long as "Bitstream" or "Vera" are not in the names), and full redistribution (so long as they are not *sold* by themselves). They can be be bundled, redistributed and sold with any software.

[12:33:37]

Dagmar:

BULLE: Can you *cite* that?

[12:33:47]

Dagmar:

I'm not trying to be a hardhead about it. Seriously.

[12:33:51]

BULLE:

Dagmar: http://www.gnome.org/fonts/

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Archdevil:

Does mythTV support the Typhoon 50575 TV card?

[12:34:07]

Dagmar:

I'm the guy who had to bend over backwards to make the Microsoft Webfonts package for Dropline actually function

[12:34:40]

Dagmar:

Oh wait, heh my confusion is over another font lemme double-check it

[12:34:49]

Dagmar:

I'm a little irked at the way Myth is behaving and it's got me frazzled

[12:35:20]

Dagmar:

Ah okay, I was getting VErdana and Vera mixed up in my head. Kinda fried

[12:36:03]

Dagmar:

Trying to get Freetype to see a font as really there is a huge pain in the ass. I dearly wish this thing were just using libXft and fontconfig

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BULLE:

Dagmar: i had the impression fontconfig mainly was a gnome thing, but im wrong about that ?

[12:40:49]

Dagmar:

It works it's magic through Xft which is now an Xorg thing.

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gardengnome:

so, it looks like you get a hauppauge hvr-1600 if you buy a pvr 150 these days due to "a shortage during the holiday seasons". does anyone know if this has already happened in europe as well?

[12:41:30]

Dagmar:

BULLE: As a whole it is *much* easier to deal with fontconfig than it has *ever* been to deal with Freetype

[12:41:42]

Dagmar:

Like, it's *tons* easier for a software package to install/remove a font

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BULLE:

gardengnome: i dunno, the 1600 does atsc, that is not used in europe at all

[12:43:48]

BULLE:

gardengnome: so i dont think they will use those, here

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BULLE:

gardengnome: does the hvr-1600 work in linux ? from the looks of the pictures it atleast uses a connexant chip

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ShorTie:

could someone help me with this Compiling MythPlugins error .. http://pastebin.com/864201

[12:49:08]

Archdevil:

Does mythTV support the Typhoon 50575 TV card?

[12:49:18]

gardengnome:

BULLE: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4666

[12:49:21]

ShorTie:

been fitting it for a couple days now, no luck

[12:58:42]

BULLE:

gardengnome: uoh "

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BULLE:

The tech also mentioned that the PVR-150 is being discontinued"

[12:58:52]

BULLE:

thats not good

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The-FoX:

The database connection informations are located in the mysql.txt file in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt am i right? How has the access rules to be set for this file?

[13:00:12]

Dagmar:

ShorTie: Use pastebin.ca

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BULLE:

-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 962 Nov 22 21:52 mysql.txt

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BULLE:

is the values i have set

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The-FoX:

Dagmar: mmh...strange

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Dagmar:

I don't see how it's "strange"

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Dagmar:

Basically, they need to know where the database server is.

[13:15:31]

Dagmar:

Both of them start by connecting to it, and then get all the rest of their settings from the db

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Dagmar:

Jooy

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Dagmar:

I think the buttonarea attribute's lower bounds are being disregarded.

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Dagmar:

I have "<buttonarea>79,59,759,569</buttonarea>" and yet http://blairhouse.homeip.net:88/foo.png

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Dagmar:

Look like it's considering the lower bounds to just be 800x600 whether I like it or not

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Dagmar:

And here I was thinking it was the theme.xml I tried to make from scratch doing it

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ShorTie:

http://pastebin.ca/323514

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juski:

afternoonish

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Dagmar:

ShorTie: Don't use SVN trunk unless you know C++. Get 0.20-fixes

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Dagmar:

juski: Dude, how much of the theme specification is pure fiction?

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juski:

just had to add a ivtvctl -c audio=0xE9 to my channel changery script to stop mythbackend making the audio weird sounding

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juski:

Dagmar: not much in my experience but there's so much they don't tell you

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juski:

for example, which graphics need trans-$foobar counterparts

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Dagmar:

juski: Well, in particular I'm noticing that it seems to ignore the second pair of coordinates that are supposed to be the bounding box for the menus

[13:32:11]

Dagmar:

juski: Or is this one of those bizarre things that I'm just supposed to know, like the lower-right point gets specified first?

[13:32:16]

juski:

heh

[13:32:25]

juski:

I just fiddle with stuff til it works (tm)

[13:32:44]

Dagmar:

I wrote up a whole set of files from scratch and got a theme that just blew Myth right up, so now i'm sticking one piece at a time into MythCenter

[13:32:48]

juski:

it's why making themes is such a PITA

[13:33:11]

Dagmar:

The first thing to get my attention (other than it seems to not like #000000 as a color) is that <buttonarea>79,59,759,569</buttonarea> yeilds http://blairhouse.homeip.net:88/foo.png

[13:33:24]

Dagmar:

No way are those menu items centered in the safe title area

[13:33:28]

juski:

we need a wysiwyg theme editor really but sometimes I'm glad there isn't one.. Etoomanylamethemes

[13:33:34]

Dagmar:

Truly

[13:34:15]

juski:

never ever played with Myxer.. I'd find it too limiting I think

[13:34:51]

juski:

just take a theme & rip out what you don't like ;) laborious but necessary

[13:35:13]

Dagmar:

Yes well, it's your theme that's misbehaving then. ;)

[13:35:43]

Dagmar:

I'm just going to have to weight the text to the upper left corner and set the maximum rows carefully I guess

[13:35:43]

juski:

infact I'm all for it remaining a PiTA if it means only a select few with the required motivation can make themes

[13:36:10]

juski:

I'm using winamp as an example of what happens when you make it too easy

[13:36:32]

juski:

uglyskinz.com

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Dagmar:

heh

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rsdvd:

Hi Juski – how was the hotel?

[13:37:46]

juski:

there's a good argument for mythtv sticking with C++ & qt too.. take freevo & its ugly conglomeration of scriptz tacked together (IMHO)

[13:37:53]

juski:

rsdvd: good :D

[13:37:58]

rsdvd:

;-)

[13:38:22]

** juski was kayleigh dancing last night.. or attempting to anyway **

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rsdvd:

lol

[13:38:35]

Dagmar:

Is that anything like Morris dancing?

[13:38:44]

juski:

not quite as twattish

[13:38:48]

Dagmar:

Ah

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juski:

despite my best efforts ;)

[13:39:13]

gardengnome:

heya juski

[13:39:26]

juski:

hey gardengnome. how goes the minimyth mission?

[13:40:35]

gardengnome:

juski: good, i think. pablo is extremely helpful. i'm compiling gar-minimyth again at the moment. it's gonna take some time before i can start fiddling again ;)

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juski:

I think it's weird that mythtv sets ivtv's audio to daft settings. shouldn't have to do that ivtvctl -c audio=0xE9 stuff

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juski:

then again the ver. of ivtv I'm using is like 0.4.3 !

[13:42:09]

juski:

gardengnome: second you on the statement about how helpful Pablo is. He's a frickin' star!

[13:42:20]

zigovr3:

hi all, it's not entirely clear to me what happens when mythtv reencode an emission, will it keep teletext/dvbsub streams in the transcoded file ?

[13:42:27]

juski:

zigovr3: nope

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zigovr3:

ah, no way to have it ? could it maybe include the subtitles in the video ?

[13:42:55]

juski:

zigovr3: don't think so. not out of the box anyway

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juski:

you'd need to make a super-duper user job I think

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zigovr3:

ok thanks, I haven't looked closely yet, but is it possible to provide a custom command to do the transcoding ?

[13:43:36]

zigovr3:

super-duper ?

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juski:

super++

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gardengnome:

juski: yeppers. he's Ã¼ber.

[13:44:43]

juski:

to make a custom command (i.e. a user job script) to do what you want, zigovr3 you'll need to know your encoder programs like the back of your hand – or learn fast

[13:45:10]

juski:

then again I dunno what nuvexport can do with subtitles

[13:45:29]

zigovr3:

well, I know mencoder quite well, and I could for example use ProjectX to extract subtitles

[13:45:39]

Dagmar:

zigovr3: Go with that

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Dagmar:

zigovr3: A more honest answer to your question would have been a suggestion to take up whipping yourself with barbed wire

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juski:

zigovr3: if you're using a lamegrabber card though, extracting the subtitles from .nuv files is gonna be tricky

[13:46:12]

Dagmar:

It's less painful

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zigovr3:

what is a .nuv file ?

[13:46:43]

Dagmar:

I'm looking at the code right not to try to figure out what the fuck is up with this buttonarea code

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juski:

zigovr3: what mythtv records video from lamegrabber cards into

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Dagmar:

zigovr3: It's the NippleVideo format you get if you're using a framegrabber card

[13:47:16]

zigovr3:

well, I'm using a dvb-t card

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juski:

zigovr3: heh. that's great for you then... lots of tools to extract dvb subtitles

[13:47:45]

juski:

oh damn

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juski:

dvb subtitles are video streams, not text

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zigovr3:

juski: true I had forgotten about that

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juski:

I've seen somebody talk about using OCR with dvb subtitles to translate them to other formats

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juski:

but that sounds hard as hell, so a no-go area for me

[13:49:07]

zigovr3:

but teletext is text and ProjectX knows how to convert them. However few channels use teletext on dvb-t

[13:49:24]

zigovr3:

juski: yes , it's like extracting subtitles from a dvd, it's a bit annoying

[13:49:35]

zigovr3:

difficult to make it completely automatic

[13:49:41]

juski:

I still wonder how they manage to embed vbi data into mpeg2

[13:49:45]

juski:

and keep it intact

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juski:

must be a sub-channel or something

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zigovr3:

juski: they put it in different packets, decoded as bytes

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juski:

ah

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Dagmar:

juski: Hah

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Dagmar:

That's pretty much proof positive that it's being ignored

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Dagmar:

There wouldn't be menu items more than halfway down the screen if it were being adhered to

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** Dagmar goes to comment the wiki **

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Dagmar:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2969

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** Dagmar even filled out a trac ticket. **

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** ShorTie thinkz Dagmar is being such a good boy **

[14:14:07]

Paladine:

is there anything more scarey than mounting a large LCD HDTV on the wall with a swinging arm?

[14:14:14]

Paladine:

all that money fighting Old Man Gravity

[14:14:21]

Dagmar:

Fuck

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Dagmar:

I'll bet this is a damn Qt-ism

[14:14:48]

Paladine:

I am sooooo glad I have accidental damage cover on my home contents insurance

[14:15:43]

Dagmar:

The magic word for the day is "orthagonal" and is nowhere even within eyesight of "All bounding boxes are expressed as (x,y,width,height)."

[14:15:46]

Dagmar:

@#$!$

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** Dagmar goes to remove a trac bug **

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fysa:

there we go. using ext3 on the RAID5 array now.

[14:19:02]

Paladine:

a 15kg lcd tv is not likely to break if it falls 4 feet is it (so long as the screen doesn't hit anything hard and pointy)?

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fysa:

4 feet is a long way.

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fysa:

you try falling 4 feet :P

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Paladine:

I can fall 4 feet fine but I weigh a lot more than 15kg

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Paladine:

momentum is the thing

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Paladine:

I am thinking 15kg is light so momentum won't be high

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fysa:

it's not the fall that hurts.

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fysa:

it's the stopping.

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Paladine:

causing the tv to hopefully bounce rather than break?

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fysa:

bounce? :P

[14:21:04]

fysa:

is it falling onto a bed?

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juski:

lol

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Paladine:

fysa, I watch braniacs and they threw portable crt tvs out of the back of a vehicle moving at like 50mph without them breaking

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gardengnome:

just make sure it doesn't bounce to the ceiling

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Paladine:

they got scuffed up a bit but still worked

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juski:

initial velocity = 0 metres/sec

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gardengnome:

honestly, i wouldn't try it.

[14:21:40]

Paladine:

garden, I am not gonna try it

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Paladine:

I am just paranoid about my tv

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juski:

stored energy = 4 feet * 15Kg ....

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Paladine:

cos I just wall mounted it

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zippytech:

hello, i am using mythtv to record from comp in on my pvr 150 after it is done i see unknown recordings, i would liek to rename them but for some reason i have only been able to do this once any ideas ?

[14:22:00]

fysa:

haha, now you have juski started.

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juski:

Paladine: maybe you should have like a chain up there too, fixed to something more sturdy

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fysa:

ahh.

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Paladine:

well it is fixed to the wall with 4" screws

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juski:

check your insurance to see if they cover you for stuff like that

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fysa:

well.

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fysa:

what kind of screws?

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Paladine:

and the arm mount is graded to 20KGs

[14:22:53]

fysa:

did you get into a stud?

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juski:

they might be arsey about what they call 'accidental'

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Paladine:

no itis into stone

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fysa:

did you get masonry screws?

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juski:

Paladine: I'd have gone for a higher rated mount

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Paladine:

juski, naaah it is covered, I can drop a laptop down the stairs and get it covered

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Paladine:

so a tv falling off the wall should be fine

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fysa:

or you just use the screws that came with the kit?

[14:23:50]

Paladine:

juski, well 20KG is 33% heavier than my TV

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fysa:

paladin.

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juski:

anyway.. time to eat

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fysa:

+e

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Paladine:

mounting kits rarely come with wall fixtures in the UK

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fysa:

did you use masonry screws?

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Paladine:

they are good strong 8mm screws and 4" long

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Paladine:

yes of course

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Paladine:

and plugs

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fysa:

then you should be fine.

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Paladine:

just nervous

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Paladine:

I am sure it will be fine

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Paladine:

but you know whats it like when you have nice new kit

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Paladine:

I have never wall mounted a tv before

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fysa:

yeah

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fysa:

did you already mount it all?

[14:25:52]

fysa:

or just the .. mount?

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Paladine:

yeah

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Paladine:

tv is up has been for about an hour now

[14:26:26]

Paladine:

I used tapered plugs too

[14:26:31]

Paladine:

tapered on the inside

[14:26:38]

Paladine:

so it pushes them out more into the hole

[14:26:42]

Paladine:

anchoring it better

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fysa:

and you put more than 20kg of pressure onto it after mounting it?

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fysa:

or right around there, to make sure?

[14:27:22]

Paladine:

I tried to pull it off the wall with no uccess and no give either

[14:27:24]

Paladine:

success

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fysa:

just watch it for a few days. if it doesn't fall in the first couple of days, it's probably not going anywhere.

[14:27:45]

fysa:

put a pillow on the floor.

[14:27:46]

Paladine:

yeah Iwill check it probably 50 times a day for the first week hehehe

[14:28:11]

Paladine:

already checked it like 10 times in the last hour to make sure the screws are coming away form the wall

[14:28:20]

Paladine:

aren't

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fysa:

I have a projector and speakers hanging above our heads and a projector screen hanging above an LCD that haven't *knocks on wood* fallen yet.

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Paladine:

hehehe

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fysa:

104MB/sec write and 67MB/sec reads with ext3 on the array. not too bad.

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fysa:

considering it has a removed/failed disk ;)

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Dibblah:

Paladine: Of course there's something scarier than mounting a TV.

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Paladine:

hehehe

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juski:

zippytech: watch recordings. highlight the recording in question then hit the right arrow to bring up a menu. then select 'storage options' IIRC

[15:08:19]

juski:

I just crashed mythfrontend by deleting the testtv recordings I made. whoops.

[15:08:34]

juski:

haven't seen the frontend crash in a long time

[15:08:54]

juski:

testtv is my name for 'live tv'

[15:11:19]

juski:

Paladine: whats your display like at deinterlacing? saw a big lcd last night as I was waiting for a taxi & scrolly text looked gash. how folks put up with that is beyond me

[15:11:51]

Paladine:

juski it's fine

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Paladine:

it is a little dodgy on upscaled SD tv

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Paladine:

but you expect that

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Paladine:

but for HD is fine

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juski:

I wouldn't expect it

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Paladine:

why?

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juski:

deinterlace then upscale, no?

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gardengnome:

bob deinterlacing is usually fine. if the picture isn't bobbing up and down *sigh*

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Paladine:

you never upscaled a graphic before?

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juski:

Paladine: upscaling doesn't make motion look jerky as hell though ;)

[15:13:11]

Paladine:

if you upscale a graphic to a higher resolution, you get artifacts

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Paladine:

its exactly the same if you upscale a stream :p

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juski:

but it's the motion I'm talking about. it looked rubbishly jumpy

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juski:

put it this way even my wife commented on it

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Paladine:

motion on mine is finew

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Paladine:

8ms reponse

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gardengnome:

with deinterlacing, you'll usually loose temporal resolution. that's what makes text scrolling unsmooth, AFAIK

[15:15:08]

Paladine:

anything lower than 12ms should be fine really

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juski:

that screen mustn't have been using bob deinterlacing

[15:15:55]

Paladine:

first thing i did with my hdtv was disable all the software "features"

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Paladine:

like smoothing etc

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juski:

heh

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juski:

they delay the video too

[15:16:13]

Paladine:

I don't know why the hell they add those things

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juski:

because they can can can, is why ;)

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Paladine:

from what I have read they always cause major performance hits

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Paladine:

just upgraded to a decent scart too

[15:16:55]

Paladine:

has improved the SD picture a lot

[15:17:16]

Paladine:

using RGB output on the scart now

[15:17:20]

Paladine:

which I couldn't on the old cable

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Paladine:

juski, my tv was 400 quid

[15:17:35]

Paladine:

delivered

[15:17:41]

Paladine:

32" LCD HDTV

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juski:

yeah I think 32" is big enough for my lounge

[15:18:03]

Paladine:

it s abit of a gem too

[15:18:12]

Paladine:

has had 2 huge threads on AV Forums

[15:18:16]

juski:

but when I go flat screen I think I'll have to come up with a better way to hide all the junk behind the tv

[15:18:21]

Paladine:

all praising it to deathj

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juski:

time for a floor-box

[15:18:40]

Paladine:

very high quality set for such a low price

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Paladine:

beats the crap out of the bravia I saw yesterday

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juski:

so I'll be buying a flat screen & a circular saw :)

[15:19:08]

juski:

Paladine: what make / model?

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Paladine:

its a Mirai DTL-532W100

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juski:

our TV is 5 years old now

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Paladine:

very highly regarded panel

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Paladine:

and the best thing is it is not the TV I ordered

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juski:

haha

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Paladine:

it was sent because the one I ordered was out of stock

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gardengnome:

even better than a sony bravia? my dad got one and it looks good

[15:20:21]

juski:

one thing bugs me about those thin tellies

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juski:

they'd never get decent bass with builtin speakers

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Paladine:

garden, I saw a 37" (think it was 37") bravia yesterday in a store and it was shite compared to this

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Paladine:

the SD picture was aweful

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juski:

Paladine: maybe just badly set up

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Paladine:

it was really really bad

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juski:

you can take that as read at 'someone else's house' or in a shop

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Paladine:

and there was backlight bleed

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juski:

eew

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juski:

that's what'd bother me about lcd

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juski:

I like black blacks

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Paladine:

top corners both had backlight bleed

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juski:

I've seen how much power plasmas eat, so they're off the options list

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juski:

400 Watts ffs

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Paladine:

yeah this set is about 120W I thinklet me check

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Paladine:

says <160W and <1W in standby

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Paladine:

but I am sure the spec is 120W

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Paladine:

something else that suprised me about it too

[15:24:55]

Paladine:

the virtual surround sound

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Paladine:

I expected it to be shit

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Paladine:

but it is actually really good

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Paladine:

and only has 2x 8W speakers

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Paladine:

the pip functionality is good too

[15:25:44]

Paladine:

allows you to switch between the pip and the main image

[15:25:57]

Paladine:

allows you to choose which sound to play as well (pip or main image)

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Paladine:

resizeable and placeable pip too

[15:40:00]

tha_toadman:

hey all

[15:40:57]

tha_toadman:

is the streaming feature in .20 broke? i've tried to stream some shows to my pc and i get a 'error opening file' with quicktime?

[15:41:16]

S2:

works for me tha_toadman

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tha_toadman:

s2, what are you using for an OS and playback?

[15:41:55]

gardengnome:

there is no streaming feature in 0.20

[15:42:53]

tha_toadman:

gardengnome: i'm referring to logging into mythweb and then watching the shows..mine doesn't work

[15:43:10]

S2:

kubuntu

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tha_toadman:

s2, mac os x here (quicktime)

[15:43:31]

gardengnome:

ah. well, you might have to try a different player or check your apache error logs

[15:43:42]

S2:

my browser is konqueror, but it works with firefox as well

[15:43:50]

tha_toadman:

gotcha

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tha_toadman:

i run firefox as well but quicktime doesn't seem to like opening my files

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S2:

maybe quicktime can't decode the recordings?

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tha_toadman:

i will so though, i haven't tried the shows on a windows pc yet

[15:44:52]

tha_toadman:

s2 i was thinking that as well

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Smirnov:

anything i can do to watch TV shows i bought on itunes on myth ?

[15:45:16]

Dibblah:

Smirnov: Do you have a camcorder?

[15:45:28]

Smirnov:

no

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Dibblah:

;)

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tha_toadman:

s2 i think i might try VLC for mac next

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Smirnov:

there's no programs to intercept the video feed and transcode or anything..?

[15:46:18]

S2:

tha_toadman, good idea

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tha_toadman:

going to install it now, i'll see what happens next

[15:48:20]

Smirnov:

whats the itunes tv show format anyway

[15:48:51]

zippytech:

hello, i am using mythtv to record from comp in on my pvr 150 after it is done i see unknown recordings, i would liek to rename them but for some reason i have only been able to do this once any ideas ?

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Smirnov:

zippytech: unknown sounds like the guide isnt updated

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zippytech:

i am using a vcr connected to the comp in

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Smirnov:

did you set up your guide?

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zippytech:

whats odd is i renamed one last night and have not been able to since

[15:50:37]

zippytech:

yes

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zippytech:

i would be happy to rename via ssh but have not found a way to do that yet

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juski:

ah shit it's snowing

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gardengnome:

o/ snow

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gardengnome:

i almost forgot it's winter

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zippytech:

same here ohio

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Paladine:

juski, lucky git

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Paladine:

it is not snowing her and I am only up the road

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juski:

lucky? you seen the way people round here drive when a snowflake is even hinted at?

[15:55:27]

juski:

zippytech: watch recordings. highlight the recording in question then hit the right arrow to bring up a menu. then select 'storage options' IIRC

[15:55:30]

Dibblah:

You should try visiting Norway in winter :)

[15:55:36]

juski:

for the *second* time zippytech

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Dibblah:

Now that's a country with some *good* drivers.

[15:56:21]

Paladine:

juski, from my experience of warrington drivers, weather makes fuck all difference ;p

[15:56:30]

juski:

Dibblah: cool. so they're not soft shandy drinking poofs then? ;)

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juski:

shouldn't seen the state of the UK after a bit of wind the other day

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juski:

n't/'ve

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Smirnov:

Dibblah: i think i found something to convert iTunes show into MPEG4

[15:58:32]

zippytech:

i don't have storage options

[15:58:47]

juski:

see news clips of folks from daahn saaaaf abandoning their cars when there's an inch of slush on the road

[15:59:08]

juski:

'chaos' my eye

[15:59:34]

zippytech:

just play from ,add to play list enable, auto expire, recording options, job options, delete

[15:59:38]

juski:

zippytech: it's in there somewhere. I used it the other day

[16:00:16]

** juski gets excited. Day 6 of '24' starts tonight :) **

[16:00:23]

Paladine:

juski, I deployed new systems in a Total garage in Warrington and did a couple of financial investigations there too (spent about 2 weeks there altoegther) and the quality of driving I witnessed was appalling :p

[16:00:46]

Smirnov:

juski: what time zone are u in

[16:01:42]

Dibblah:

Paladine: Heh. You should try round Stoke.

[16:01:49]

Dibblah:

It's "mod central".

[16:02:17]

Paladine:

Dibblah, I did a deployment down that way too

[16:02:17]

juski:

zippytech: recording options, change recording title

[16:02:19]

Dibblah:

Yes, your Ford Fiesta is really going to go faster with the 6" wide exhaust.

[16:02:23]

Paladine:

idid a lot of deployments in the UK

[16:02:34]

juski:

ah baked bean tin exhausts

[16:02:49]

juski:

should be punishable by death really

[16:02:52]

Paladine:

8 months of deploying new systems

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Paladine:

on the road every single day

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Paladine:

28k miles in 8 months :/

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Paladine:

my poor car

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juski:

oof

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Dibblah:

I did 100k miles in 12.

[16:03:43]

juski:

I was only too happy to quit DJing when I sat down & worked out how much time I'd spent in my car

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Paladine:

dibblah, but I was on;y driving to 1 site a day :p

[16:03:48]

Dibblah:

Admittedly, most of those miles were in the air :)

[16:03:52]

juski:

2.5 hours each way, for 5 years

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Paladine:

oh if we include airmiles, Ihave done a few of them too hehehe

[16:04:23]

juski:

jammy sods

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Paladine:

once I finished UK deployments I had to go to the US and then Paris

[16:04:34]

Dibblah:

Juski: No.

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juski:

actually no, I've been one of them

[16:04:45]

Dibblah:

It really isn't much fun :)

[16:04:50]

juski:

for 6 months. it was hell. I learned to hate flying

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Paladine:

Â£110M quids worth of contract

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Paladine:

just for the UK

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juski:

7 weeks all expenses in Nice was nice though ;)

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Paladine:

Iloved my job

[16:05:41]

Paladine:

one of the biggest enterprise rollouts in the world

[16:05:45]

juski:

between the Monaco GP & Cannes, inclusive :)

[16:05:47]

Dibblah:

Until it got moved to Elbonia?

[16:05:47]

Paladine:

and now I can;t get a job for love nor money

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juski:

zippytech: you found that option yet?

[16:06:44]

juski:

if not you should be putting that remote of yours where the sun don't shine. it's not _that_ cunningly hidden

[16:06:46]

Hans-Martin:

hi folks – I'm trying to set up mythv under ubuntu – no success yet. And it does not emit helpful error messages :-(

[16:07:24]

Paladine:

the only downside to the job was having to drive over that damn manchester canal bridge by warrington just about every day

[16:07:39]

tha_toadman:

juski, you mention snow and drivers ... lol ... i have a video for you :-)

[16:07:41]

juski:

Hans-Martin: what's likely happened is that the ever-so-helpful mythtv-database package installer has changed the mythtv mysql user's password to a random one and it didn't tell you. you can find it in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

[16:07:41]

Paladine:

that section of the M6 is a joke

[16:07:43]

tha_toadman:

http://www.nwcn.com/sharedcontent/VideoPlayer . . . vidId=114054

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juski:

Paladine: it used to be *much* worse though

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Hans-Martin:

juski: since I did not let mythtv create its database user, that's unlikely, but I will check

[16:08:26]

Hans-Martin:

thx

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Paladine:

juski, I know

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Paladine:

I am too familiar with the warrington viaduct

[16:09:52]

Paladine:

many years ago I used to drive a lorry from Lancaster to birminghamand back every night

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Paladine:

was a freakin nightmare

[16:10:22]

Paladine:

by time they finish repairing it they seem to always have to start again form the other end

[16:10:30]

tha_toadman:

did you guys watch that video – footage of people in Portland, Oregon trying to drive on snow

[16:10:38]

juski:

tha_toadman: hahaha.. nobody ever hear of pumping their brakes?

[16:10:44]

tha_toadman:

lol

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tha_toadman:

no kidding

[16:10:52]

Paladine:

tha_toadman, the "pinball" one?

[16:11:00]

tha_toadman:

yeah pretty much

[16:11:10]

tha_toadman:

car after car...

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Paladine:

haven't sen it but a bunch of friends have told me abou tit

[16:11:32]

tha_toadman:

take a look – it's quite humorous

[16:11:34]

Paladine:

apparantly the guy in the BMW did ok

[16:11:38]

Paladine:

but the rest were a joke

[16:11:47]

Paladine:

I don't have the link

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Paladine:

I think when i tried it the video wouldn't work

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tha_toadman:

http://www.nwcn.com/sharedcontent/VideoPlayer . . . vidId=114054

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Paladine:

just stopped after about 10 seconds

[16:12:36]

tha_toadman:

i think it's flash but i'm not sure

[16:12:55]

Paladine:

even worse now, I just get an error dialog in ff saying "Can't parse that" (literally)

[16:13:04]

Babbelaar:

hm, is there a way to install mythtv without X ?? i just want the backend functionality

[16:13:31]

Dibblah:

Babbelaar: For the second time this week, don't bother :)

[16:13:43]

Dibblah:

It's a waste of good brainpower.

[16:13:53]

Babbelaar:

what about webvcr+, is that what i want?

[16:14:22]

Dibblah:

Babbelaar: I mean, just install X.

[16:14:23]

Babbelaar:

hm well..the thing is...i dont know how to configure mythtv, because i dont have a monitor for the server

[16:14:39]

Dibblah:

You have another Windows box?

[16:14:49]

Babbelaar:

iMac :-(

[16:14:53]

juski:

wth is webvcr+ ?

[16:15:04]

tha_toadman:

s2, you still around?

[16:15:21]

Hans-Martin:

juski: it was a database/user problem – now its coming along better...

[16:15:24]

Babbelaar:

juski, something like mythweb...just a little crappy i think :)

[16:16:31]

Babbelaar:

would it be possible to do X11-forwarding?

[16:16:42]

Dibblah:

Yup.

[16:17:00]

Dibblah:

If your iMac has X11 listening on a network port.

[16:17:12]

Dibblah:

And don't ask how – I'm not a mac person :(

[16:17:24]

Babbelaar:

that wont be a problem i guess

[16:17:25]

juski:

or use vnc

[16:17:36]

tha_toadman:

i just discovered that quicktime WONT play the streams from mythweb but when i installed the UB of VLC, it worked – thought i'd let everyone know

[16:18:02]

tha_toadman:

(on my mac)

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juski:

hahaha ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H-JDrV497E

[16:18:17]

Babbelaar:

i don't get why the mythtv devs don't strictly seperate the GUI from the backend

[16:18:35]

tha_toadman:

oh yeah! i've seen that one juski! lol

[16:18:48]

tha_toadman:

the bumper

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juski:

I don't get why the mythtv users don't start getting with the program

[16:18:52]

Dibblah:

Babbelaar: Because that means rewriting a large chunk of code.

[16:18:52]

Babbelaar:

but okay, X11 forwarding will do the trick

[16:18:58]

Treito:

hello, is there any possibility to change the default language of the internal DVD-player?

[16:19:31]

Babbelaar:

i think i'll end up writing my own recording program :-D

[16:19:39]

Paladine:

holy shit thats funny

[16:19:42]

juski:

Treito: I expect it defaults to whatever the mythtv default language is

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Milosch:

yea, got rid of all tearing in the picture...

[16:20:09]

Treito:

juski this is not so

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Babbelaar:

oh by the way...mythtv supports cutting commercials, doesnt it?

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Paladine:

juski, why they didn't just shovel out the snow first

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Paladine:

silly muricans

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Treito:

yes it does Babbelaar

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Babbelaar:

does that work properly? because last time i remember not getting it to work

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Milosch:

works great here

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Treito:

i don't use it

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Milosch:

interesting to see it jump forward and note how many frigging commercials there are in a typical broadcast

[16:22:54]

Paladine:

me watches it for a 3rd time ;)

[16:23:14]

Babbelaar:

Milosch, where are you from?

[16:23:33]

Milosch:

but it sure does take a lot of cpu to run mythcommflag, ime. i need to see about moving that to run in the am

[16:23:37]

briand:

i first saw that video clip 3 years ago, and it was old *then*

[16:23:41]

Milosch:

Babbelaar: US

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Babbelaar:

ah ok

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Treito:

nobody already changed the default language of the internal dvd-player?

[16:25:02]

Paladine:

briand, doesn't make it any less funny though

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briand:

true

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briand:

probably a set-up, tho... the car was supposedly "stuck" in 3 inches of snow?

[16:30:38]

Babbelaar:

Dibblah, actually...i only need X to configure mythtv through mythsetup. wouldn't it be possible to just have mythbackend and configure it with mysql?

[16:30:51]

Babbelaar:

or write a console-based conf-script?

[16:31:39]

Babbelaar:

or a setup wizard through mythweb

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GreyFoxx:

To accomplish what? Save someone 100meg of diskspace on a machine that records video at around 2gigs per hour ?

[16:35:03]

juski:

not even 100 megs in some cases ;)

[16:35:24]

Babbelaar:

its not about diskspace. i have about 1.4tb

[16:35:26]

Dagmar:

juski: I figured it out. Myth's idea of a bounding box is just madness.

[16:35:28]

Paladine:

briand, closer to 2 feet of snow

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Dagmar:

Everything else in the world (that I've seen anyway) uses x1,y1,x2,y2. Myth uses x1,y1,width,height

[16:36:10]

juski:

Dagmar: the wiki covers that IIRC

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juski:

oo found some nifty sfx for my new dvd intro :)

[16:37:01]

Dagmar:

*Now* it makes it clear the bounding boxes are not standard right there in the same row as the buttonarea element is defined.

[16:37:47]

Dagmar:

Particularly, if you clicked on the link that goes to the "background" section, the warning the wiki had about bounding boxes is off the top of the canvas area. it won't be seen, which is where I got boned

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juski:

heh

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juski:

wait til you get caught by the trans- element stuff

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Dagmar:

Trans what?

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juski:

some of the overlay graphics need a trans- element

[16:39:08]

Dagmar:

What you mean transparency?

[16:39:10]

juski:

like in the 'watch recordings' screen

[16:39:15]

Dagmar:

I think I remember you saying that stuff is broken

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juski:

no I mean you specify a graphic to be a bounding box or whatever, then you also need a trans-$foobar element too

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juski:

tv-lbox.png etc

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juski:

would need trans-tv-lbox.png too

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Dagmar:

trans- being what?

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juski:

somefilename.png

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juski:

and trans-somefilename.png

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Dagmar:

I get that two files are needed.

[16:41:43]

juski:

I just symlink ;)

[16:41:47]

Dagmar:

Is one supposed to be a mask?

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juski:

I think so

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juski:

heheh these sfx are gonna excite my subwoofer

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Dagmar:

Man it would be nice if schizophrenia didn't plague parts of the theme engine

[16:50:23]

Dagmar:

I guess the mask is so people can use jpg and still have an alpha channel or something equally nuts

[16:52:07]

juski:

jpg.. pleh

[16:52:27]

juski:

they all take up the same amount of memory, so png, ftw :)

[16:52:36]

Paladine:

schizophrenia no longer exists :p

[16:52:41]

Paladine:

it has been removed from the next DSM

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juski:

so what's my psychosis called then? ;)

[16:53:12]

Paladine:

after decades of debates on the issue

[16:53:32]

juski:

or is it something like "personality challeged" ?

[16:53:34]

Paladine:

juski, schizophrenia was never a psychosis in the first place

[16:53:45]

Paladine:

it was a blanket diagnosis for multiple disorders

[16:54:00]

juski:

ah

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Paladine:

(multiple psychosi)

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gardengnome:

well, that's exactly what juski has. "multiple disorders".

[16:54:24]

** gardengnome runs **

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Paladine:

:p

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Paladine:

did you know over 90% of the worlds population suffers some form of psychological disorder?

[16:55:24]

Paladine:

it is perfectly normal to be a little nuts

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gardengnome:

i did not exactly know it, but it is very clear

[16:55:37]

Paladine:

anyone who isn't, is abnormal

[16:56:18]

Dagmar:

THe key is to get them all propped up against each other so they cancel out.

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juski:

I'm just sensitive to criticism. the kittens will die if anybody slates my themes again

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Milosch:

normal isn't

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fryfrog:

juski: you are gonna pull the pud if someone critisizes your theme?

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Paladine:

hey no pudding pulling here

[16:58:40]

Paladine:

its a family channel :p

[16:58:43]

fryfrog:

Paladine: and 87% of statistics are made up on the spot!

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juski:

fryfrog: I hope I'm past that

[16:59:21]

Milosch:

how many of you have never been polled before, anyone?

[16:59:21]

Paladine:

fryfrog, that doesn't mean they are not true ;p

[16:59:22]

juski:

the last email I had asking me to change the color (sic) of a font got a kurt reply

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fryfrog:

dear god, if you are ever "past" pulling the pud... i imagine your wang has been surgically removed or you are did!

[16:59:35]

Paladine:

fryfrog, thats why it is called inferential statistics

[16:59:38]

Paladine:

because you infer :p

[16:59:43]

Paladine:

or make aninference

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fryfrog:

ahahha

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fryfrog:

s/did/dead/

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Paladine:

juski, did you tell them that if they email you to criticise they damn well better use real english?

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juski:

I'm not especially proud of being so short with people but it keeps my workload down :)

[17:04:49]

momelod:

greetings channel. Can anyone tell me if there is a web interface for schedualing recordings?

[17:05:04]

Milosch:

yes, there is

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gardengnome:

momelod: mythweb

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momelod:

i thought there might be :)

[17:05:21]

momelod:

great thanx

[17:05:33]

Milosch:

imho, it is actually easier than the gui itself

[17:05:40]

Milosch:

brb

[17:06:10]

Hobbiticus:

would anyone know why the volume level when recording SD-NTSC and HD-ATSC channels on my pchdtv 5500 would be very different?

[17:06:55]

juski:

Hobbiticus: yup

[17:07:09]

juski:

you can thank the broadcasters for that

[17:07:17]

Hobbiticus:

ah

[17:07:27]

Hobbiticus:

is there a workaround?

[17:07:40]

Hobbiticus:

the NTSC channels are very quiet

[17:08:09]

juski:

crank up the recording volume then

[17:08:25]

juski:

not something you can do with digitally sourced recordings, mind

[17:08:46]

Hobbiticus:

i can't really increase the recording volume any further, to my knowledge

[17:09:11]

Hobbiticus:

i have everything in my mixer as high as I can get them without getting noise

[17:10:04]

Hobbiticus:

is there any way to have mythtv boost the volume level?

[17:10:14]

juski:

not without using JACK

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Hobbiticus:

what's that?

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juski:

http://jackaudio.org/

[17:12:27]

serer:

is mythtv.org down atm?

[17:12:34]

Hobbiticus:

nope

[17:13:17]

juski:

mthyvt.gro is down though

[17:13:26]

serer:

wtf

[17:13:32]

serer:

I cannot connect to it

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serer:

:(

[17:14:32]

GreyFoxx:

I can reach it just fine from here

[17:14:36]

juski:

you weren't going there to read the docs were you by any chance?

[17:15:00]

serer:

nope, just connect to the main site

[17:15:08]

Milosch:

mythtv.ogre is always up

[17:16:12]

juski:

well, when you can get mythtv.org I recommend you do read the docs :)

[17:16:29]

serer:

they been updated?

[17:17:25]

juski:

the wiki gets plenty of updates

[17:18:28]

Milosch:

yea, glx works again on the desktop

[17:19:01]

Milosch:

had the old two different nvidia modules installed problem

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ShiftyPowers:

anyone have issues with stuttering video when playing an HD recording on a remote frontend?

[17:31:00]

ShiftyPowers:

via LAN?

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ShiftyPowers:

ethernet lan?

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Hoxzer:

<3

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Dagmar:

Sucking less: http://blairhouse.homeip.net:88/foo.png

[17:50:53]

gardengnome:

omg

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Dagmar:

A looong ways left to go tho'

[17:51:06]

gardengnome:

i'm not sure if i like it or not, but i want to use it

[17:51:09]

Dagmar:

heh

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psofa:

can i painlessly change the order of inputs? i mean i have 3 : analogue dvb-t dvb-s and i want dvb-s to appear first when i watch livetv as im mostly using this and its annoying having to switch to it...

[17:52:14]

psofa:

Dagmar, its actually cool :)

[17:52:25]

Dagmar:

I kinda wish I could right-justify the text in there, but it'll have to do

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juski:

Dagmar: looks like the shaded bar could do with some antialiasing

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psofa:

hmm 14527 root 17 0 544m 49m 9000 S 0.0 9.8 5:30.35 mythbackend

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Milosch:

i'm running about 350m for backend and a little over 400m for frontend, fwiw

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Dagmar:

juski: Actually it looks like the shaded bar is going to get tossed out and replaced with something that actually matches the theme. ;)

[18:09:31]

Dagmar:

I'm still just getting elements in the right places now

[18:09:42]

Dagmar:

I had to do a bit of digging to find a way to *make* an allcaps version of the font

[18:17:44]

Dagmar:

The bit wot is the little TV icon is going to be turned into a stamp to go over where "MYTHTV LCARS" sits so I can actually have the menu headings change like they should

[18:27:55]

moodboom:

anybody have trouble trying to use one optical drive for dvds and cds? my autoplay is fubar

[18:29:23]

moodboom:

other than that it seems fine

[18:29:33]

moodboom:

they both use the same dev location

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momelod:

when i watch live tv the picture is choppy, but recording are fine

[18:43:47]

momelod:

where should i look for a bottleneck?

[18:44:05]

momelod:

i would think the hdd or cpu but then i would assume my recordings would be choppy too

[18:44:43]

moodboom:

front end and back end on the same machine?

[18:44:49]

momelod:

im using an ati card, 512mb/ram and a 1ghz processor

[18:45:00]

momelod:

yes front/backends are both localhost

[18:45:36]

moodboom:

do videos play back ok?

[18:45:51]

gardengnome:

heya dopester_

[18:45:55]

momelod:

yes, but im using vlc to playback videos

[18:46:05]

momelod:

like avis, if thats what your asking?

[18:46:15]

momelod:

those play perfectly

[18:46:36]

moodboom:

hrmm not sure

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momelod:

is there another player i can try to use to test live tv?

[18:48:30]

moodboom:

live tv is doing a bit more work, saving and playing

[18:48:41]

moodboom:

not sure, anybody else?

[18:50:07]

moodboom:

(kinda quiet in here) :>

[18:50:44]

momelod:

thats okay, thanx for your effort

[18:55:54]

momelod:

i want to install asterisk on my mythbox

[18:56:04]

momelod:

this system is gunna be hype!!

[18:56:30]

moodboom:

asterisk?

[18:56:38]

momelod:

yeah, the software pbx

[18:56:50]

momelod:

i think that and myth are two of the coolest linux projects

[18:59:50]

fryfrog:

is there some sort of asterisk + myth integration?

[18:59:56]

fryfrog:

like, phone it up and schedule recordings?

[19:00:02]

moodboom:

hehe

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momelod:

yes there is

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wylie:

btw; i run asterisk and mythtv. all my tv's mythtv, all my phones, sip or iax2.

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GreyFoxx:

Same here

[19:10:29]

Paladine:

hmmm

[19:10:35]

wylie:

they work great together. my only recommendation (and change) would be to use xen, and put asterisk and other complete services on their own instance. you could do this with mythbackend, but not really with the frontend — frontend would need to be on domain 0. but depending on what kind of tuners you were using (hdhomerun, for instance), it would not be a problem to put the mythbackend on its own virtual host

[19:10:45]

Paladine:

I think with 24 s7, they should air the shows at the same time as it is in the show

[19:10:53]

Paladine:

so the first episode should be aired at 6am

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Paladine:

second at 7am

[19:10:58]

Paladine:

etc

[19:11:07]

Paladine:

would be kinda interesting way of doing it

[19:11:10]

GreyFoxx:

they would loose all of their audience :)

[19:11:23]

Paladine:

naaah people would timeshift :)

[19:11:28]

psofa:

literally loose

[19:11:28]

GreyFoxx:

few people are that flexible in their TV watchign schedules, and most wont record it :)

[19:11:29]

Paladine:

but it would be kinda cool

[19:11:33]

gardengnome:

Paladine: you've got mythtv, why does it matter? just watch it at 6:00 if you want to ;)

[19:12:00]

Paladine:

I would have to set my alarm to get up early for the shows from 10am-2pm

[19:12:05]

GreyFoxx:

I know afew people who record half of the season and then sitdown and do a12 hour marathon of it

[19:12:39]

psofa:

thats doable

[19:12:43]

Paladine:

they are sick

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** psofa hides **

[19:12:54]

** psofa didnt say that :P **

[19:12:59]

Paladine:

how can you record something and not watch it til 3 months later?

[19:13:09]

Paladine:

pffft

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psofa:

lol

[19:13:25]

psofa:

why not

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gardengnome:

about 90% of the stuff i record gets auto-expired because i don't have the time to watch it

[19:13:30]

Paladine:

cos

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psofa:

in the same sense how can people not watch a movie in cinema and wait until it hits dvd's?

[19:14:16]

Paladine:

because I refuse to go to the movies

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psofa:

after all

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psofa:

its better seeing many episodes together

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psofa:

it would get annoying waiting each week for an episode

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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Paladine:

greyfoxx, too easy ;)

[19:17:19]

GreyFoxx:

I'll get around to watching it one day, maybe

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Led-Hed:

I set my frontend to use OpenGL and now cant see any of the menus. How can I set it back to Qt from the command line?

[19:41:06]

Led-Hed:

anyone here?

[19:42:47]

Dr_willis:

hmm

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xris:

Led-Hed: upgrade your theme

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xris:

Led-Hed: other than that, the setting name is ThemePainter

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xris:

you can tweak it in the db, or on the cli

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Led-Hed:

xris, how do I do it from the cli?

[19:44:53]

rsdvd:

it is held in the database in the settings table

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rsdvd:

the ThemePainter rows per FE hsot

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rsdvd:

s/hsot/host

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xris:

Led-Hed: mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt

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Led-Hed:

xris, perfect. Thanks!

[19:46:02]

xris:

Led-Hed: but upgrade your theme. it's a known issue with old themes

[19:46:35]

Led-Hed:

xris, this is a new install on Ubuntu 6.10.

[19:47:11]

xris:

Led-Hed: doesn't mean the theme package is up to date. what theme are you using?

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EnterUserName:

Hey xris.. does the format for your psp extract work with the new firmware psps

[19:47:26]

Led-Hed:

MythCenter

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xris:

EnterUserName: beats me

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EnterUserName:

ohi dont think it does

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EnterUserName:

because its a different format i have windows CLoneMobile2 and it asks which firmware it particularly is

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xris:

EnterUserName: I accept patches. I don't have a psp to test with, so it's kind of difficult to do on my own

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EnterUserName:

oh ok :(

[19:48:51]

EnterUserName:

Ya I cant get it to work let me see if i can find the type of MPG it is :)

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Led-Hed:

xris, what is the easiest way to find the version of a theme?

[19:50:20]

xris:

Led-Hed: can't at the moment... could always just download the latest and see.

[19:50:51]

xris:

Led-Hed: svn version *should* work

[19:51:22]

Led-Hed:

ya. but I cant compile anything on this frontend. I have it stripped down to fit on a 1g CF.

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xris:

Led-Hed: you don't compile themes

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mustdoit:

are MythTV compatible with generic remote control (@ infrared) ?

[19:52:35]

Led-Hed:

mustdoit, yes via LIRC

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xris:

mustdoit: if it works with lirc

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GreyFoxx:

mustdoit: Myth uses lirc, and lirc works with most remotes

[19:52:43]

mustdoit:

:D

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mustdoit:

tks

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mustdoit:

any livecd with mythtv (to detect my tv pci) ? i'm getting now KnoppMythR4V2, is nice or what?

[19:54:18]

GreyFoxx:

I've never heard of alivcd backend, just frontends

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EnterUserName:

darn it

[19:54:31]

EnterUserName:

it doesnt say what type of MP4 it is it just says for firmware < 2.6 and > 2.6 :(

[19:54:52]

Led-Hed:

ya a live backend would be much harder to do. With Capture cards and storage

[19:55:10]

xris:

EnterUserName: try the generic mp4 output module (for ipod)

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mustdoit:

dam...

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EnterUserName:

ok

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Ediehow:

help friends

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Ediehow:

for some reason, volume changes in myth have no effect anymore

[19:55:46]

mustdoit:

i has two tv cards... i hope that mythtv rule

[19:55:49]

xris:

mustdoit: the whole point of a livecd is that it doesn't touch the hard drive.. mythtv needs the drive to store recordings.

[19:56:11]

mustdoit:

xris yeah, but i just wanna test, nothing more

[19:56:26]

xris:

mustdoit: do you currently run linux?

[19:56:32]

GreyFoxx:

You still need storage

[19:56:39]

mustdoit:

:>

[19:56:49]

mustdoit:

and drivers for my pci cards?

[19:56:52]

mustdoit:

where i get it?

[19:57:06]

GreyFoxx:

That would depend on the card

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Ediehow:

xris: can u help me, sir?

[19:57:22]

Ediehow:

volume changes in mythtv have no effect anymore

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xris:

Ediehow: sorry, no clue. reboot?

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mustdoit:

GreyFoxx right... i'll see from google then i come back

[19:58:14]

Led-Hed:

I installed the nvidia-glx-legacy package and related kernel modules, but when I run glxinfo it says GLX isnt running on display 0.0. Bet thats why OpenGL didnt work

[19:58:30]

xris:

mustdoit: or you could tell us which cards you have, and whether or not you're running linux at the moment.

[19:58:41]

kormoc:

Led-Hed, did you edit your x config and have it load glx?

[19:58:48]

Led-Hed:

kormoc, yes

[19:58:58]

xris:

Led-Hed: or it's a broken theme.

[19:59:05]

mustdoit:

xris i'm running linux at moment on laptop (without tv cards)

[19:59:10]

kormoc:

Led-Hed, you should check your x logs, make sure it loaded correctly

[19:59:16]

Led-Hed:

xris, well wither way I'd like to get glx to load

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xris:

Led-Hed: true

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Ediehow:

:(

[20:01:59]

Ediehow:

no xris

[20:02:09]

xris:

Ediehow: weird

[20:02:19]

Ediehow:

not even mute does anything

[20:02:23]

Led-Hed:

kormoc, Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"

[20:02:29]

Ediehow:

maybe since my new upgade of myth

[20:02:30]

** kormoc blinks **

[20:02:31]

Ediehow:

yesterday or so

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[20:03:04]

Ediehow:

i have ALSA:default as output device

[20:03:45]

Led-Hed:

kormoc, the odd thing is that there is no nVidia Splash screen (Option "NoLogo" "0") when X starts. but I can run nvidia-settings.

[20:04:39]

Ediehow:

hey xris if i use external mixer, if i have volume turned down, it records it at that volume, right?

[20:05:54]

xris:

Ediehow: framegrabber, theoretically yes.

[20:06:31]

Ediehow:

so if i accidentally left the volume way down on the system, from playing an mp3, before the recording starts, it will be recorded at a low volume?

[20:06:43]

kormoc:

Ediehow, what's your capture card?

[20:06:43]

Ediehow:

(basically, user error increases)

[20:06:48]

Ediehow:

pvr150mce

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kormoc:

no, you don't have a framegrabber

[20:08:01]

Ediehow:

which means what?

[20:08:28]

kormoc:

it doesn't use your sound card to record, so no matter what you have your soundcard set to, it doens't change the recording

[20:08:46]

Ediehow:

ok, so its ok not to use internal volume controls, i won't mess up the recording volume?

[20:09:33]

xris:

Ediehow: correct. recording volume is handled by the card.

[20:11:15]

Ediehow:

ah shoot!

[20:11:28]

Ediehow:

myth volume change still does nothing

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EnterUserName:

wait

[20:11:48]

EnterUserName:

i can do h624 format :)

[20:11:58]

Ediehow:

it seems like it's since the yum update for myth from yesterday, maybe

[20:12:08]

EnterUserName:

thanx xrixs

[20:13:39]

xris:

EnterUserName: cool

[20:15:42]

Ediehow:

is there a bug in recent myth packages regarding volume or something?

[20:15:44]

EnterUserName:

well i dont nkow yet it' work

[20:15:52]

EnterUserName:

but it mentions H264 in CloneDVDMobile :)

[20:27:33]

kormoc:

Mornin GreyFoxx, you around?

[20:27:46]

Paladine:

hey kormoc, how's tricks

[20:28:06]

kormoc:

things are going well, how are you?

[20:30:24]

EnterUserName:

they should implement a way to make it faster to put mythtv to dvd format in less than2 hours :p

[20:30:59]

Paladine:

kormoc, good :)

[20:31:07]

Paladine:

just picked my son up from his grans

[20:31:10]

Paladine:

so all smiles :)

[20:31:17]

kormoc:

nifty

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kormoc:

EnterUserName, a faster computer, faster dvd burner both help that

[20:31:34]

EnterUserName:

heh

[20:31:39]

EnterUserName:

:)

[20:32:06]

Goldmen:

Are there any pre-built systems available that would work well with mythtv?

[20:33:08]

Dr_willis:

theres those "Dragon" systems – ive read reviews of.

[20:33:16]

Dr_willis:

they can even come with it preinstalled.

[20:33:32]

Goldmen:

thx ill google it

[20:33:53]

Dr_willis:

I think i saw them mentioned on the KnoppMyth site/forums

[20:34:13]

EnterUserName:

am i the only one who uses his desktop for his mythtv box too :S

[20:35:31]

Goldmen:

dam the dragon boxes are expensive over $1000

[20:35:56]

EnterUserName:

thats why i use my desktop

[20:35:58]

EnterUserName:

;)

[20:36:06]

EnterUserName:

i cant afford 2 super duper computers

[20:37:22]

Paladine:

I use my desktop for everything

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Dr_willis:

Goldmen, get a parts list.. and build ya own.

[20:37:31]

Paladine:

iteven cooks me eggs

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EnterUserName:

heh ;)

[20:37:43]

Dr_willis:

you asked for one that would work WELL with mythtv.

[20:37:48]

Paladine:

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EnterUserName:

ok thats not fair

[20:38:06]

Dr_willis:

ive seen $100 linux box's that should work. but that was with a small hd, no tv tuner, and low ram

[20:38:07]

EnterUserName:

gime your computer.. i got a 3500+

[20:38:35]

Goldmen:

i would build my own but im not much of a hardware hacker

[20:38:47]

Dr_willis:

go to monarch computers web site. and let them do the work then.

[20:38:48]

Dr_willis:

:)

[20:39:00]

EnterUserName:

i use suse 10.1

[20:39:02]

Dr_willis:

not like building a pc is that hard.

[20:39:02]

Edgy-Paladine:

this is my spare box

[20:39:05]

EnterUserName:

im too lazy to reinstall anything.

[20:39:55]

EnterUserName:

ok im jealous

[20:39:56]

EnterUserName:

:)

[20:40:06]

Paladine:

I have another 4 lying around here somewhere

[20:40:28]

EnterUserName:

lol

[20:40:32]

EnterUserName:

my space box is a 1.4 ghz athlon

[20:40:38]

EnterUserName:

3 2bit.

[20:40:41]

EnterUserName:

erk 32 bit;)

[20:41:12]

Paladine:

then there is my freebsd server in the datacenter

[20:41:24]

Paladine:

and the to machines at the inlaws

[20:41:26]

Paladine:

two

[20:41:45]

EnterUserName:

see im too poor for that :)

[20:41:46]

Paladine:

I should change my name to cpufreak or something

[20:41:55]

Paladine:

I am poor too

[20:42:04]

Paladine:

student, wife, kid, mortgage, 3 loans

[20:42:33]

Paladine:

but I wasn't poor when I bought all my kit :)

[20:42:42]

EnterUserName:

heh

[20:43:26]

EnterUserName:

is the gentoo problem still a problem

[20:43:34]

EnterUserName:

with there BSD license crap?

[20:43:38]

kormoc:

Dr_willis, monarch went out of business

[20:43:41]

EnterUserName:

im still planning to install gentoo

[20:43:59]

kormoc:

Goldmen, it's really not that hard to put together your own box

[20:44:04]

Paladine:

the wonderful thing about tiggers and tiggers are wonderful things. their legs are made out of rubber their tails are made out of springs...

[20:44:30]

Goldmen:

I wouldn't know where to start

[20:44:38]

EnterUserName:

Goldmen: if i can do it anyone can do it

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Goldmen:

lol

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kormoc:

EnterUserName, huh? the BSD license crap only affected *BSD Gentoo, not linux gentoo

[20:44:55]

EnterUserName:

oh ok

[20:44:59]

Goldmen:

Say I did it myself how much do you think a minimum setup would cost me

[20:45:15]

kormoc:

Goldmen, I spent around $600 or so for my rig

[20:45:29]

Paladine:

I can build a complete system from scratch in 12 minutes

[20:45:34]

t0ny-p40:

my dct-2500 cable box has a usb plug in the back, what is that used for?

[20:45:37]

Dr_willis:

kormoc, egads! say its not so!

[20:45:39]

Paladine:

I hold the record at uni :)

[20:45:40]

xris:

Paladine: that's damn fast shipping.

[20:45:55]

Paladine:

xris, teleporters dude

[20:45:59]

xris:

Goldmen: what kind of tv signal do you have?

[20:46:01]

Paladine:

get with the 21st century

[20:46:07]

kormoc:

Dr_willis, it's true, and honestly, I never really cared much for them. When I bought drives from them, they were not packed very well at all

[20:46:11]

Goldmen:

kormoc a bit more than I wanted to spend, is $300 feasible?

[20:46:25]

Goldmen:

xris analogue

[20:46:28]

kormoc:

Goldmen, if you find some really good deals, perhaps, or go with used, sure

[20:46:31]

xris:

Goldmen: depends on what you're trying to do.

[20:46:34]

Dr_willis:

kormoc, http://www.monarchcomputer.com/ seems up to me..

[20:46:45]

xris:

Dr_willis: look at their inventory

[20:46:53]

kormoc:

Dr_willis, yeah, look at all they have

[20:47:02]

t0ny-p40:

Damn, gnome-screen saver keeps kicking on....

[20:47:03]

Dagmar:

Monarch is a pretty good place

[20:47:08]

xris:

Dagmar: they're dead

[20:47:09]

Dr_willis:

no more hornets any more.. bummer.

[20:47:11]

kormoc:

Dr_willis, *every* refurb system is going for $199 + 45 shipping

[20:47:16]

Dagmar:

ACK!

[20:47:33]

t0ny-p40:

How do I get mythtv to disable it when its playing video?

[20:47:37]

xris:

Dagmar: and they weren't good... tended to ship things (like hard drives) without packing material.

[20:47:37]

kormoc:

Goldmen, that's true, you can buy one of their refrubs decently well

[20:47:51]

xris:

t0ny-p40: it disables mine.

[20:48:11]

Goldmen:

ill check it out

[20:48:32]

kormoc:

Goldmen, http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/m

[20:48:32]

t0ny-p40:

On ubuntu it disabled it while playing video and stuff, but it keeps coming on during live tv on fedora

[20:48:38]

Dagmar:

t0ny-p40: You basically don't afaik. You just kill the thing because DPMS will blank your TV just fine

[20:48:39]

kormoc:

Goldmen, http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merc . . . =servertoday

[20:48:45]

kormoc:

Goldmen, that one would be a decent box

[20:48:56]

kormoc:

Goldmen, you'd still need a capture card (pvr 150 or similar)

[20:49:04]

xris:

Goldmen: if you're just doing analog, pretty much anything over 1ghz is find. 512M of RAM, a decent nvidia video card ($40) and the tuner card of your choice (pvr-150 is around $70)

[20:49:05]

Dr_willis:

bummer – i always used monarch building system as a way to make a checklist for what i was building.

[20:49:23]

Dagmar:

Dr_willis: You should switch to NewEgg for that

[20:49:25]

Goldmen:

thanks guys i really apreciate the help

[20:49:34]

xris:

Dr_willis: kormoc and I have personal interest in seeing them fail since they were competitors to our copany.

[20:49:43]

EnterUserName:

PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND

[20:49:43]

EnterUserName:

1782 dave 39 19 17496 6388 516 R 79.2 0.3 27:19.47 yuvdenoise

[20:49:48]

kormoc:

xris, and they shipped my drives loose! :P

[20:49:52]

Dr_willis:

heh...

[20:50:07]

xris:

kormoc: yes, I mentioned that earlier, too

[20:50:11]

Dr_willis:

im too poor to afford anything.

[20:50:13]

Dagmar:

Ship fed-ex or UPS

[20:50:25]

EnterUserName:

dr_willis; me too me too i wanna buy a new computer :(

[20:50:29]

Dagmar:

Maybe I've not had any problems because I never do free/standard shipping

[20:50:32]

Goldmen:

kormoc if that system doesn't include a disk drive how would i install a linux distro

[20:50:38]

ShiftyPowers:

guys, how do I improve the video playback stuttering on a remote frontend via ethernet LAN?

[20:50:43]

ShiftyPowers:

right now it stutters on HD playback

[20:50:48]

kormoc:

Dr_willis, I ordered 4 drives from them, and they were in this box that fit around 8 drives with no material packing holding them in place

[20:50:50]

xris:

Goldmen: you need a drive, too.

[20:50:50]

ShiftyPowers:

is it with the deinterlacing or something?

[20:50:59]

kormoc:

Goldmen, it does, Western Digital 40GB IDE Hard Drive

[20:51:04]

Dagmar:

ShiftyPowers: Are you running token ring or something?

[20:51:13]

kormoc:

Goldmen, it's /small/ so you'll likely want to upgrade later

[20:51:15]

ShiftyPowers:

hmm, no idea what that is Dagmar

[20:51:22]

xris:

Goldmen: if you want something cheap, I would recommend spending some money on good drive/etc.. but get a barebones system from newegg.

[20:51:25]

ShiftyPowers:

they go through a linksys wrt54g

[20:51:26]

Dagmar:

ShiftyPowers: Well what kind of a network do you hvae?

[20:51:32]

Dagmar:

Pfft. You're screwed there.

[20:51:36]

ShiftyPowers:

we are all connected to that router

[20:51:41]

ShiftyPowers:

really? why?

[20:51:48]

Goldmen:

jormoc oh i c

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Dagmar:

Maybe go get some foil parabolic reflectors and direct all the antennas at each other

[20:52:05]

Dagmar:

You're doing this over 100base-T ethernet net?

[20:52:09]

Dagmar:

s/net/then/;

[20:52:10]

ShiftyPowers:

yeah

[20:52:12]

xris:

damn, still can't really do it for much less than $500.

[20:52:12]

ShiftyPowers:

not wireless

[20:52:27]

Paladine:

clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right here I am stuck in the middle with you...

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** Paladine is feeling chipper! **

[20:52:59]

Paladine:

5 minutes til 24 s6 premiere!

[20:52:59]

Dagmar:

Shiftpowers: and you are not accidentally routing all the packets *through* the linksys box somehow?

[20:53:17]

ShiftyPowers:

hmm, i have no idea if I would be

[20:53:26]

ShiftyPowers:

my comps are all connected to the linksys router

[20:53:27]

kormoc:

ShiftyPowers, is any computer on the wireless?

[20:53:28]

Dagmar:

Shiftpowers: 100base-T should be able to do that fine unless something is hideously wrong somewhere

[20:53:30]

ShiftyPowers:

including my master backend

[20:53:45]

ShiftyPowers:

no no, these computers are connected via cable

[20:53:58]

ShiftyPowers:

maybe it's running at 10 megs instead of 100

[20:54:03]

Dagmar:

What did you set your local network address to?

[20:54:03]

ShiftyPowers:

is there anyway to check that?

[20:54:13]

Dagmar:

Yeah you can generally look at the LEDs on the thing

[20:54:22]

Dagmar:

I've got a r1 over my computer right now

[20:54:35]

Dagmar:

So you're using what *network address*?

[20:54:53]

kormoc:

ShiftyPowers, here's another thought, what's the cpu on the remote frontend?

[20:55:00]

ShiftyPowers:

2.4c p4

[20:55:01]

Dagmar:

Ooo..

[20:55:06]

kormoc:

ShiftyPowers, what video card?

[20:55:11]

ShiftyPowers:

nvidia 6800gt

[20:55:18]

ShiftyPowers:

with 2 gig ram

[20:55:22]

ShiftyPowers:

running edgy eft

[20:55:23]

kormoc:

ShiftyPowers, can you enable/disable XvMC and see if it changes?

[20:55:29]

ShiftyPowers:

i'll try that

[20:55:33]

ShiftyPowers:

see if it makes a difference

[20:55:51]

ShiftyPowers:

i remember there is a command to check if my frontend is compiled with xvmc

[20:55:53]

ShiftyPowers:

anyone remember that?

[20:56:17]

Dagmar:

--version

[20:57:50]

ShiftyPowers:

would the theme i have loaded make a difference?

[20:57:57]

kormoc:

shouldn't for playback

[21:00:55]

ShiftyPowers:

xvmc set to standard still has issues stuttering when watching a recording

[21:01:00]

Dagmar:

That reminds me I need to kick OpenGL off my machine and see if it gets around that program guide bug

[21:01:15]

ShiftyPowers:

cpu usage goes to 100%

[21:01:31]

kormoc:

ShiftyPowers, it's likely not a network issue then

[21:01:42]

Dagmar:

Have you looked at your syslog?

[21:01:47]

ShiftyPowers:

yeah, my network usage is not that high

[21:02:04]

Dagmar:

There's likely something very dire in there about the AGP port or IRQs

[21:02:17]

ShiftyPowers:

which syslog should i check?

[21:02:22]

Dagmar:

syslog, syslog.

[21:02:28]

Dagmar:

As in /var/log/syslog.

[21:02:39]

ShiftyPowers:

ah

[21:02:43]

ShiftyPowers:

seems like it was beryl

[21:02:51]

Dagmar:

*pfft*

[21:02:53]

ShiftyPowers:

i was running beryl and now that i switched back to

[21:02:55]

ShiftyPowers:

metacity

[21:02:58]

ShiftyPowers:

oooops

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ShiftyPowers:

pffft indeed

[21:03:15]

Dagmar:

*Now* you mention beryl. Heh

[21:03:39]

Dagmar:

Beryl is still not a very happy piece of code

[21:03:58]

ShiftyPowers:

yeah, i forgot i was runnign it

[21:03:59]

ShiftyPowers:

:)

[21:04:09]

Dagmar:

It is not your friend unless you like your desktop to go away abruptly every now and then

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ShiftyPowers:

it's been pretty stable actually

[21:04:41]

ShiftyPowers:

but yeah i agree

[21:04:43]

Dagmar:

If you treat Myth like a kiosk and just dedicate a machine and a TV to it life is easier

[21:04:56]

Dagmar:

You don't get wild ideas about fancy window managers and so forth

[21:05:07]

Dagmar:

I'm not even using a window manager

[21:05:20]

ShiftyPowers:

yeah, i haven't gotten that far yet

[21:05:27]

Dagmar:

It's easier.

[21:05:31]

Dagmar:

Less to set up.

[21:05:33]

ShiftyPowers:

i use my main desktop as a tv when it's too bright outside for my projector

[21:05:37]

ShiftyPowers:

which is connected to the main rig

[21:05:41]

ShiftyPowers:

main backend that is

[21:05:59]

Dagmar:

I just scoured craigslist for a few months until I got a honking large CRT for cheap

[21:06:12]

Dagmar:

39" TV.

[21:06:24]

Dagmar:

*Not* fun to get home in the tiny little BMW tho'

[21:06:36]

ShiftyPowers:

the girl wouldn't approve of that :)

[21:06:49]

Dagmar:

I paid $120 USD.

[21:07:34]

Dagmar:

That's less than a decent projector bulb

[21:07:35]

Dagmar:

:)

[21:07:48]

ShiftyPowers:

true that

[21:08:02]

ShiftyPowers:

i wish we could run myth on something like a mac mini

[21:08:27]

ShiftyPowers:

if only i could resize the mythfrontend window

[21:08:36]

ShiftyPowers:

it would make for a great client in while working

[21:08:40]

ShiftyPowers:

or surfing

[21:08:48]

GreyFoxx:

ShiftyPowers: You can, just not dynamically

[21:08:54]

Dagmar:

I build the whole machine I"m using for it for um... about $460, and the drives maybe $300

[21:09:01]

ShiftyPowers:

really?

[21:09:06]

ShiftyPowers:

i can set it to a certain size?

[21:09:11]

GreyFoxx:

yes

[21:09:15]

ShiftyPowers:

where aboots?

[21:09:23]

kormoc:

Mornin' Mr. GreyFoxx

[21:09:29]

Dagmar:

There's command line arguments, and a setting in the settings menu of the frontend

[21:09:37]

Dagmar:

Run in a window, use a particular size, etc etc

[21:09:58]

Dagmar:

Take your pick

[21:09:59]

kormoc:

I was wondering if there was any particular reason that you know of for the existance of mythconverg.videocategory

[21:10:09]

Dagmar:

To drive me insane

[21:10:49]

Dagmar:

I might as well replace everything named like that with "nouns" because I never seem to figure out what data is winding up where

[21:11:10]

Dagmar:

I'm thinking maybe suggesting instead of categories that maybe the frontend should be using tags instead.

[21:12:02]

kormoc:

Dagmar, the thing is, each video can only have one category, and so it might as well store the category name with the video rather then in a separate table in my mind

[21:12:24]

Dagmar:

Not Crime, Drama, Sci-Fi?

[21:12:36]

kormoc:

Dagmar, currently it only allows one

[21:12:38]

Dagmar:

There's lots of cross-genre shows

[21:12:52]

kormoc:

videometadata.category maps directly to videocategory.id

[21:13:41]

Dagmar:

I know it's getting one-dimensional info from the program guide, but you should really be able to override that with your own tags when you set a recording

[21:13:58]

kormoc:

Dagmar, ooh, this is mythvideo specific

[21:14:04]

Dagmar:

Yep.

[21:14:11]

** kormoc blinks **

[21:14:17]

kormoc:

you don't set recordings for mythvideo

[21:14:25]

Dagmar:

A whole 'nother set of categories

[21:14:43]

Dagmar:

Both MythVideo and the recorder suffer from the same problem.

[21:14:49]

kormoc:

ahh, gotcha

[21:15:09]

Dagmar:

They should be using *one* database of keywords and just pointing to them

[21:15:35]

Dagmar:

You could add five tags to every recording and only increase the db size by a smidge

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Dagmar:

...and then suddenly, the browser gets a whole lot easier to deal with

[21:15:58]

kormoc:

I can fix the DB to allow many, and mythweb's interface to work with it, but alas changing mythvideo is a tad beyond what I want to tackle right now

[21:16:22]

kormoc:

Dagmar, there's genre that allows many for mythvideo

[21:16:42]

Dagmar:

Was it just added? All I've seen from it so far is a picklist

[21:17:00]

kormoc:

Dagmar, it's been around for awhile, just never actually used it appears

[21:17:12]

Dagmar:

HMm...

[21:17:31]

kormoc:

I'll add it into mythweb's interface I guess

[21:18:15]

minra:

i need an 8500 bogomips computer

[21:18:32]

minra:

transcoding to xvid is a b1tch

[21:18:52]

Dagmar:

Transcoding is always a bitch

[21:19:00]

kormoc:

Dagmar, ahh, the imdb grabber script only returns one of the genre, not all of them, hence why it's limited to one

[21:19:01]

Dagmar:

It's not pleasant even at 8500 bogomips

[21:19:09]

Dagmar:

kormoc: Yep

[21:19:26]

Dagmar:

...and no obvious way to go beyond just one category either

[21:19:41]

Dagmar:

MythVideo's interface lacks seriously in that respect.

[21:19:45]

kormoc:

genre != category

[21:19:52]

kormoc:

yeah

[21:19:54]

Dagmar:

You get to change like three things if you don't let it get it all from IMDB

[21:20:10]

kormoc:

hopefully my overhaul of mythweb's mythvideo interface will be useful

[21:20:31]

Dagmar:

It's already more useful than MythVideo's interface for it

[21:20:41]

kormoc:

imdb lookup from the browser, scan the video db from the browser, etc

[21:21:47]

Dagmar:

I'm going to be naughty with that LCARS theme I think and ignore overscan

[21:22:14]

Dagmar:

The 3/4 inch of black around the thing on my TV is not thrilling me

[21:22:29]

minra:

Hyperthreaded dual Xeon at 3060 MHz: 24379.39 BogoMips wow

[21:22:57]

Dagmar:

minra: It dont' take a lot of money to get ludicrous power now

[21:23:20]

Dagmar:

I've got over 8500 bogomips on this AMD X2 and I didnt' spend $200 on the CPU

[21:24:17]

Dagmar:

If you want to make xvid go much faster you have to basiclaly flirt with the idea of using one-pass encoding occasionally

[21:24:18]

kormoc:

minra, just wait for Bloomsfield, quadcore, hyperthreading, 4ghz or so top

[21:28:27]

minra:

thanks dagmar, kormoc — didn't know an x2 went that high – all the bogomips comparisons online are oudated

[21:28:41]

kormoc:

minra, heh, aye, cause they're meaningless :P

[21:29:07]

Zider:

bogomips is hardly an accurate way to compare cpu speed

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kormoc:

they're just how fast it can do nothing :P

[21:30:47]

Zider:

yeah, pretty much :)

[21:31:53]

minra:

yeah, like glxgears :/

[21:33:59]

Zider:

at least glxgears does something

[21:34:01]

Zider:

;)

[21:34:53]

kormoc:

visit0r, mornin' around?

[21:49:57]

minra:

holy cow

[21:50:17]

minra:

check out those transcoding benchmarks

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JoeyJoeJo:

I guess myth will support the pcHDTV-5500, right?

[22:03:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

JoeyJoeJo: Of course... I bought one a couple of months ago and am in the process of building my next backend with it.

[22:04:17]

JoeyJoeJo:

awesome.. you don't happen to use gentoo, do you?

[22:05:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

JoeyJoeJo: Nope, Fedora

[22:05:19]

JoeyJoeJo:

ok

[22:07:56]

TinheadNed:

quick question about mythwelcome, is the status message "mythtv is locked by a user" a default or is something slightly broken?

[22:09:40]

|Torg|:

nothign is broken its telling you its in use

[22:10:26]

TinheadNed:

|Torg|: no frontend is running though. no jobs running, no recordings

[22:11:06]

|Torg|:

the frontend is locking it

[22:11:10]

|Torg|:

mythweb will lock it

[22:11:15]

|Torg|:

mythfilldatabase will lock it

[22:11:25]

|Torg|:

its telling you the database is open to someone who is using it

[22:11:34]

degreseven:

how can i add window decorations to mythfrontend? it is mentioned online that there is an option for it, but i can't find it anywhere.

[22:11:51]

GreyFoxx:

"decorations" ?

[22:12:04]

degreseven:

border, title bar, etc..

[22:12:09]

GreyFoxx:

Oh

[22:12:18]

degreseven:

so i can run it in a window & move it around

[22:12:19]

GreyFoxx:

There is asetting in the frontend menus to "Run in aWindow"

[22:12:32]

degreseven:

yeah, it doesnt seem to change anything for me

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|Torg|:

are you running a window manager?

[22:12:58]

degreseven:

yeah

[22:13:02]

|Torg|:

which

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degreseven:

using kde

[22:13:14]

GreyFoxx:

degreseven: You have to restsart the frontend for it to take effect

[22:13:20]

degreseven:

i did

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|Torg|:

then the size of your window exceeds the size of your display

[22:13:36]

TinheadNed:

|Torg|: hmm, there's no frontend running, just mythwelcome. and the web server is off, so no mythweb

[22:13:38]

degreseven:

i launched with the -geometry option, its like 1/4 of my screen

[22:14:54]

Huwawa:

does anyone know how to install the Hauppauge 1600?

[22:15:31]

GreyFoxx:

degree: Go back and make sure it's turned on

[22:16:44]

GreyFoxx:

degreseven: FRom and xterm : mythfrontned -G RunFrontendInWindow

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GreyFoxx:

see what value it returns

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degreseven:

1

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GreyFoxx:

that should do the trick then

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TinheadNed:

|Torg|: i seem to need to run mythshutdown -u to unlock the db

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degreseven:

oh, it does work now =)

[22:18:13]

degreseven:

thanks

[22:18:56]

TinheadNed:

does mythtv play well with hibernate at all?

[22:19:08]

TinheadNed:

question to the floor :D

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Huwawa:

does anyone know if the hauppauge 1600 is supported?

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|Torg|:

then you shutdown myth impropery

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TinheadNed:

|Torg|: the old machine used to crash a lot – so I bought it some new hw :)

[22:21:08]

|Torg|:

and TinheadNed first define what you mean by hibernate and what does /sys/power/state say

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TinheadNed:

|Torg|: i mean, i'd like to set up suspend-to-disc on my mythtv machine to save on power bills, and the suspend2 patchset works nicely on my laptop

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|Torg|:

ok TinheadNed you will savce very little but your laptops hardware does not equate to your myth box

[22:23:28]

|Torg|:

hibernate is a windows thing linux emulates

[22:23:35]

|Torg|:

and sometimes it works, and sometimes it dosnt

[22:23:55]

gardengnome:

no.

[22:23:56]

TinheadNed:

well, the machine would actually be off a large part of the day, and yet turn back on quickly, h/w permitting

[22:23:57]

gardengnome:

*shrug*

[22:24:00]

|Torg|:

if your capture card is usb based you can pretty much be asureed all it will do is lock your system

[22:24:02]

t0ny-p40:

hibernate work pretty good for me

[22:24:03]

TinheadNed:

thus increasing girlfriend acceptance factor

[22:24:10]

gardengnome:

t0ny-p40: same here.

[22:24:11]

TinheadNed:

|Torg|: the cards are pci

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gardengnome:

even with nvidia hardware.

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|Torg|:

not all hardware sleeps correctly some wants to lock the PCI bus there is ALOT that goes into simply "hibernate"

[22:24:34]

t0ny-p40:

my wireless card does not like to work but a little bit of messing around with it makes it come back

[22:25:02]

|Torg|:

best thing I can tell you is put it to sleep then wake it up and see if your box liked it

[22:25:13]

|Torg|:

its not a matter of myth or not its a matter of your hardware

[22:25:29]

TinheadNed:

|Torg|: no, obviously, but I wondered if anyone had tried it

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TinheadNed:

the proprietary nvidia module will probably kill it

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|Torg|:

its not drivers that kill hibernate its hardware, usualy things like pci matering

[22:26:33]

kormoc:

TinheadNed, I like how you say that after gardengnome mentioned that his works with nvidia hardware...

[22:26:42]

TinheadNed:

|Torg|: hmm, the ati bin module on my laptop used to break x

[22:26:47]

TinheadNed:

ah, lag :(

[22:27:07]

TinheadNed:

kormoc: bit slow here

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TinheadNed:

excellent, hopefully i'll set up hibernate soon then

[22:27:28]

|Torg|:

besides how much time do you gain from poweron vs wakeup

[22:27:30]

TinheadNed:

now to choose between nvram-wakeup and wakeonlan

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TinheadNed:

|Torg|: don't know yet

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|Torg|:

just use nvram-wakeup on your backend

[22:28:15]

fred87:

Is there a theme with a "back" button on every page? (IE same action as pressing escape)

[22:28:21]

fred87:

As I'm using a touchscreen, not a remote

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t0ny-p40:

is it possible to setup another mythbackend on another host to just take transcoding and flagging jobs?

[22:28:31]

TinheadNed:

|Torg|: 'k

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TinheadNed:

t0ny-p40: yes

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t0ny-p40:

from my main one

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|Torg|:

yes t0ny-p40 you dont even have to run the fe or be, just mythjobqueue

[22:29:05]

kormoc:

fred87, I don't think that theme's have that ability, I believe that is controled by the menu.xml

[22:29:09]

t0ny-p40:

ok sweet thanks :)

[22:29:11]

TinheadNed:

t0ny-p40: I just installed mythtv on my desktop, and running a backend made it fetch jobs from the master (if they're allowed to migrate)

[22:29:54]

fred87:

kormoc: oh, cool, so easy hack to do myself then :)

[22:30:09]

t0ny-p40:

ok, looks some what simple :)

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t0ny-p40:

if I want to add a parttion to a lvm I just do it to /dev/mapper/main-backup?

[22:33:17]

t0ny-p40:

Like I would to /dev/hda1?

[22:33:27]

TinheadNed:

just because i'm at my wit's end on another problem, don't suppose anyone here knows why a kernel would mount the root partition and then not init?

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TinheadNed:

apologies for it being OT, but i'm completely confused about it all

[22:34:07]

|Torg|:

TinheadNed thats an OS problem, you would be better talking to someone who knows about your os and the rc scripts

[22:34:17]

TinheadNed:

kormoc: trying to get netconsole working

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lborreson:

Newbee question – How do you switch from live tv to the Frontend Menu?

[22:34:34]

lborreson:

.

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TinheadNed:

|Torg|: it's not quite OS, as init itself doesn't start, or anything else passed to init=

[22:34:48]

TinheadNed:

lborreson: esc?

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t0ny-p40:

lborreson, hit esc you keyboard

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t0ny-p40:

ahh

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t0ny-p40:

lol

[22:35:40]

lborreson:

that makes it quit out of the program

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kormoc:

TinheadNed, you could have missed compiling in the proper bin support into the kernel

[22:35:45]

|Torg|:

TinheadNed it is IMPLICTL your os and run control, the sysv specs have what run control is, but not how to specifaly run it

[22:36:05]

lborreson:

im looking to get to the settings menu

[22:36:06]

kormoc:

TinheadNed, you might not have any tty's for the kernel to spawn a init program onto

[22:36:14]

TinheadNed:

kormoc: hmm, but the same kernel works correctly off a different drive

[22:36:22]

t0ny-p40:

or it takes it to the last menu

[22:36:27]

kormoc:

lborreson, keep pressing escapte to the first menu

[22:36:38]

kormoc:

TinheadNed, you have ghosts.

[22:36:52]

TinheadNed:

|Torg|: i'm just getting a strong impression the kernel is not handing over to the os

[22:36:57]

TinheadNed:

kormoc: pardon?

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kormoc:

TinheadNed, ghosts... dead spirits from the afterlife haunting your computer

[22:37:23]

TinheadNed:

kormoc: now I could believe that :D

[22:37:24]

lborreson:

I start of mythtv, it is showing monkeys in trees, I press esc nothing happens, press again and it quits out

[22:37:48]

|Torg|:

TinheadNed there kernel dosnt hand over anything, it dosnt control init does. If you have problems with init that is SPECIFICLY your run control scripts

[22:37:53]

kormoc:

TinheadNed, in any case, it is not a mythtv issue and you'd likely get better luck in a more kernel or distro oriented channel

[22:38:02]

fryfrog:

anyone seen the new "mythremote" for ds lite?

[22:38:20]

TinheadNed:

kormoc: yeah, just a thought – no luck on the #gentoo ones though :/

[22:38:32]

kormoc:

|Torg|, actually, the kernel *does* spawn init, and then init runs the control scripts, he's saying init never spawns, which means the control scripts never get run

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TinheadNed:

indeed

[22:39:09]

robbie:

is there a way i can enable transcoding on all scheduled recordings withoug having to manualy set it for each schedule ?

[22:39:20]

kormoc:

|Torg|, boot a kernel with the flag init=/bin/fake and you'd see an error about not being able to spawn init

[22:39:29]

robbie:

i remember an older version of mythtv would just transcode everything if required

[22:39:31]

TinheadNed:

kormoc: except I don't with this one

[22:39:35]

kormoc:

robbie, hit the database

[22:39:38]

TinheadNed:

robbie: yeah, there's an option for it

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kormoc:

TinheadNed, then what are you seeing?

[22:39:49]

TinheadNed:

robbie: automatic transcoding

[22:39:50]

robbie:

kormoc: update where .... ?

[22:40:10]

TinheadNed:

kormoc: that's it, nothing

[22:40:17]

robbie:

TinheadNed: that only works if you also choose to transcode for each schedule

[22:40:22]

lborreson:

any suggestions?

[22:40:28]

TinheadNed:

kormoc: it says VFS has been mounted readonly, and then stops

[22:40:34]

TinheadNed:

robbie: ah, i had that

[22:40:37]

kormoc:

UPDATE record SET autotranscode = 1;

[22:40:46]

robbie:

kormoc: yeah :)

[22:40:58]

TinheadNed:

robbie: you need to go into your transcode profiles, and the top "default" one that you don't touch has to be turned on, or something strange like that

[22:41:07]

robbie:

TinheadNed: done that

[22:41:13]

kormoc:

TinheadNed, autotranscode needs to be set to on for that to work

[22:41:20]

kormoc:

TinheadNed, he just wanted a quick way to turn it on

[22:41:24]

robbie:

bit of a pain

[22:41:29]

TinheadNed:

robbie: try kormoc's idea then :)

[22:41:37]

TinheadNed:

kormoc: i'm only a mythtv padawan

[22:41:58]

kormoc:

robbie, for future schedules, you can control were it defaults on or off in mythtv-setup

[22:42:05]

robbie:

feature request: a default recording profle that you can have all the prebaked options set

[22:42:15]

robbie:

like max episodes, antotranscode etc

[22:42:34]

** kormoc points to his last line about setting the default autotranscode for recordings **

[22:42:50]

kormoc:

robbie, but yeah, I look forward for your patches for default max episodes

[22:42:57]

robbie:

heh

[22:43:27]

robbie:

kormoc: im one of those guys who demands free software and complains when it doesn't do everything he wants :P

[22:43:37]

robbie:

updated

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TinheadNed:

kormoc: anyway, that's my entertaining problem. i'm basically trying to swap harddrives in my server, and the new hd won't boot. chrooting to it causes a segfault as well, which is suspicious

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kormoc:

TinheadNed, fsck it

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robbie:

yes

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TinheadNed:

kormoc: can't hurt

[22:45:33]

TinheadNed:

kormoc: i'll take this back to #gentoo though, as it's not relevant here

[22:45:46]

lborreson:

any suggestion on why I can't get to the opening setup screen in the froontend

[22:45:50]

TinheadNed:

thx for everybody's help!

[22:45:57]

kormoc:

lborreson, which one?

[22:46:09]

kormoc:

lborreson, the one to setup mysql database?

[22:46:10]

lborreson:

where I can adjust the settings

[22:46:23]

kormoc:

lborreson, which settings....

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lborreson:

the "utilities/setup" menu

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kormoc:

lborreson, press escape until you get to the main menu

[22:47:19]

lborreson:

I cant get to any menu with esc, it quits the program

[22:47:28]

kormoc:

then your copy is broken

[22:48:01]

lborreson:

can it be fixed

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kormoc:

try re-installing

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lborreson:

is that command "apt-get --reinstall install mythtv-suite"

[22:49:45]

kormoc:

perhaps, I donno debian

[22:49:56]

lborreson:

Im using fedora

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kormoc:

I donno fedora :P

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WZ__:

any ideas why all plugins show up except mythweather? it says its going to be built in configure and the make/make install succeeds.

[22:52:05]

kormoc:

lborreson, if you installed it via apt, reinstall via apt

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|Torg|:

but like kormoc said I dont use fedora enough to know

[22:52:28]

|Torg|:

I run debian I work with redhat at work

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|Torg|:

so I dont really know much about fedora other then its the free part of redhat

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** xris ponders if onion rings and beer make a healthy lunch/breakfast. **

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|Torg|:

but since they put all kinds of trash on fedora having apt on it wouldnt suporse me

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kormoc:

xris, gets many a guy thought college

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|Torg|:

and xros only if those onion rings wre made with beer batter

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xris:

|Torg|: they were.. from Joy of Cooking.

[22:54:20]

|Torg|:

well then its good any time of day :)

[22:54:21]

** xris throws in some fried mushrooms for good measure, too. **

[22:54:45]

xris:

not bad for my first foray into playing with my new deep fryer.

[22:54:52]

xris:

now if I can just convince my wife to make donuts.

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|Torg|:

xris if your gona go with fried stuff and some fries as well, and do not under ANY circumstance add any of that filly stuff like steamed or baked

[22:55:06]

WZ__:

your heart is going to love you

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xris:

|Torg|: I'm not so fond of potatoes. might try sweet potato fries later, though.

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kormoc:

Mmm... Potatoes, the staple food of america

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kormoc:

Mmm... Fried Marshmallows...

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|Torg|:

of course I come from the land of fired snikers bars, so take that however you want :)

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** fred87 hugs mythtv for gaining mouse input support since he last tried it **

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|Torg|:

we have been even known to fry turkeys for thanksgiving

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kormoc:

marshmallows dipped in chocolate and then covered in grahmcracker dough, and then deep fried is soooo yum

[22:58:29]

fred87:

(and gave up on due to lack of mouse support)

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WZ__:

where is mythweather supposed to show up? under 'Information Center'?

[23:00:44]

|Torg|:

depdnds on theme, but ususualy yes

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|Torg|:

ahh put a lid on the fryer :)

[23:02:21]

WZ__:

i've tried a bunch of themes. i just don't get why all the other plugins show up and mythweather doesn't

[23:02:38]

|Torg|:

did you fail to configure mythweather?

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WZ__:

i configured it and no errors that i can see when make'ing

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xris:

WZ__: no, configure from the frontend. like telling it where you live, etc.

[23:05:27]

|Torg|:

if mythweather does not find a configured area for it, it wont start

[23:05:28]

WZ__:

that doesnt even show up. thats the prob

[23:05:35]

|Torg|:

under settings

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WZ__:

there is no configuration area for mythweather under settings

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|Torg|:

did you get an error about it when you ran the FE?

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xris:

WZ__: where did mythweather install to on your drive?

[23:06:12]

xris:

same directory as the rest of the plugins?

[23:07:21]

WZ__:

yes

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WZ__:

/usr/src/mythplugins/mythweather

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xris:

um, why did you install it under /usr/src?

[23:09:44]

WZ__:

yes

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xris:

check /usr/local/share/mythtv/

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WZ__:

/usr/local/share/mythtv/ has mytharchive/video/news but no weather

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lborreson:

ok, I re-installed mythtv-suite and same problem

[23:11:26]

lborreson:

exc exits the program and doesn't return to the menu

[23:11:32]

xris:

WZ__: run `make install` on mythweather again and watch where it's putting things

[23:11:40]

lborreson:

esc

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|Torg|:

WZ__ when you compiled the plugins did you install mythtv first?

[23:12:07]

|Torg|:

or did you try to compile mytplugsin and mythtv, then install them

[23:12:08]

WZ__:

yes. ran mythtv for a while before trying any plugins

[23:12:33]

|Torg|:

recompile the plugins and pay attention to if it compiles mythweather

[23:13:14]

WZ__:

i've looked and i see no problems

[23:13:27]

WZ__:

i just noticed i have a mythweather dir in /share/mythtv

[23:13:41]

WZ__:

accid.dat and weathertypes.dat in there

[23:13:47]

WZ__:

that seem like the correct place for that?

[23:13:50]

|Torg|:

does /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythweather.so exist?

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WZ__:

no

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WZ__:

i can see all my other plugins in that dir tho

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xris:

WZ__: 32 or 64 bit?

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|Torg|:

then you did not install it

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WZ__:

32

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|Torg|:

it is posible you have it from older revisions in /usr/lib or some other place too

[23:15:13]

|Torg|:

when you compile it form src make sure you get rid of all the old versions

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WZ__:

i did a search and no other instances of mythweather can be found other than src

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xris:

WZ__: then it definitely hasn't been installed

[23:17:05]

WZ__:

make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/mythplugins/mythweather/mythweather'

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WZ__:

cp -f "libmythweather.so" "/mythtv/plugins/libmythweather.so"

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|Torg|:

umm I belvie you neglects to give it an install prefix

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WZ__:

messed up. i manually copied the libmythweather.so to /use/local/lib/mythtv/plugins and now its in the frontend

[23:20:23]

WZ__:

that path on that line above that i posted it trying to put it in /mythtv i think which of course is wrong

[23:20:30]

WZ__:

it=is

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xris:

yes. like |Torg| said, it looks like you left off a prefix

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WZ__:

where do u specify that?

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xris:

it's not designed to be compiled/installed separately. you need to use the main mythplugins configure script to say which plugins you want to install, etc. then they should install properly

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WZ__:

yeah thats what i did originally

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WZ__:

perhaps i tried to compile it individually first though

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WZ__:

and it damaged something

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xris:

run: make distclean

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xris:

then start over again with ./configure, etc.

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WZ__:

badabing! thanks for the distclean tip

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|Torg|:

also make sure that when you svn the plugins they are the same rev as mythtv

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|Torg|:

what is the svn command to get the changelog?

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xris:

svn log

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|Torg|:

thanks I knew it something simply but god help me I count rtember what the hell it was :)

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|Torg|:

I take it not all updates are logged? svn reports co verion is 12601 log has last entry at 12590

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kormoc:

|Torg|, changesets are repo wide

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kormoc:

|Torg|, you're only getting the log for the branch/dir you are in

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|Torg|:

ahh hunt and find what other set was changed then :)

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kormoc:

|Torg|, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/timeline

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|Torg|:

thats more of what I was looking for, thanks

[23:44:27]

lborreson:

I am having a weird problem with MythTV on FC6, can anyone help?

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BULLE:

lborreson: dont ask for help, and dont ask to ask, explain your problem, anything else is just a waste of time and bandwith

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BULLE:

lborreson: if someone knows, they will respond

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psofa:

btw i still dont have an asnwer if this is doable in someway: change the order of inputs in livetv

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lborreson:

ok, I just got MythTV working and when I run the frontend I can see live tv

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lborreson:

I tried unisntalling and re installing to no avail

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BULLE:

lborreson: hmmm, what about checking key mappings ?

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BULLE:

lborreson: and is it a "clean" exit from the frontend, eg no error message, coredump etc ?

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lborreson:

clean exit

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BULLE:

i would check key mappings then

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lborreson:

at leaast I think its clean, these are the last 2 lines form Konsole

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lborreson:

2007-01–21 17:37:30.701 TV: Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None

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lborreson:

2007-01–21 17:37:30.701 DPMS Reactivated.

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lborreson:

2007-01–21 17:37:30.701 TV: Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None

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lborreson:

sorry last one was duplicate

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lborreson:

is key mapping in the backend?

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lborreson:

ok, retard me, I was running "mythtv" in Konsole instead of "mythtvfrontend"

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