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Friday, January 19th, 2007, 00:03 UTC

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Como|Lappy:

well

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Como|Lappy:

i could always make the thing some sort of perl interface for isorecord and use the burner that way, if it sucks

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Como|Lappy:

errrr

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Como|Lappy:

tv output

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Como|Lappy:

would a pvr 350 do that?

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kormoc:

sure, but it's not worth it

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Como|Lappy:

crap

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kormoc:

a pvr 150 + nvidia card is cheaper and better then the 350

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Como|Lappy:

i've allready got a 350

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Como|Lappy:

i think

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kormoc:

well, it will work fine if you do :P

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Como|Lappy:

i have something

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

you should likely figure it out

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kormoc:

you said 250 up there before

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Como|Lappy:

gah.

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kormoc:

ooh, nah, you said 350, my mistake

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Como|Lappy:

its at home, too

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Como|Lappy:

i think its a 350

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Como|Lappy:

is it a good output?

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Como|Lappy:

like, decent

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kormoc:

yeah, just slow for non-mpeg2 stuff

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Como|Lappy:

how do you mean

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kormoc:

it only has mpeg-2 decoding, so non-mpeg2 stuff, like the interface, any opengl effects you enable, or video files that are not mpeg-2 are going to be offloaded onto the cpu to do, and thus slow

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kormoc:

also won't be able to handle HD stuff

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Como|Lappy:

well, this machine would have a 3400+ a64 or something

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Como|Lappy:

yeah, nothing HD for a few years here

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kormoc:

still gonna be slow, not bad, don't get me wrong, but slower then a real GFX card

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Como|Lappy:

yeah, thats alirigh

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Como|Lappy:

it'd be playing only stuff it recorded

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Como|Lappy:

which would be all mpeg-2, right

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kormoc:

assuming you don't transcode it, yes

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Como|Lappy:

why would i do that

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Como|Lappy:

0.o

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kormoc:

space savings usually, mpeg-4 takes up less space typically

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Como|Lappy:

ooh, how much

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kormoc:

depends, can be 30% can be more, can be less

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Como|Lappy:

so still in the 3 gigs / hour range

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kormoc:

can be, yes

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Como|Lappy:

hmmmph

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Como|Lappy:

this is all so confusing

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RacerX2oo3:

Ah get yourself a good Nvidia card ;)

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Como|Lappy:

space/money

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Aurelius:

if i'm trying to add a new filter, what all do i need to recompile to see the changes to the code?

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Como|Lappy:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16856110050

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Como|Lappy:

im thinking of using that

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Como|Lappy:

fairly small, not too expensive

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mick-w:

lo all

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Como|Lappy:

woah

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Como|Lappy:

look at the pics, on the back

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Como|Lappy:

appears to have an rca video out allready

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RacerX2oo3:

and S-Video

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Como|Lappy:

well, im allready using the svideo in on the tv

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Como|Lappy:

and both of the rca inputs, but i'll bet mythtv could replace the dvd player she has

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Como|Lappy:

wonder how the tv out is

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xris:

ooh, an amd pundit...

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Como|Lappy:

pundit?

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xris:

the URL you just pasted

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RacerX2oo3:

Como|Lappy: The Bridge is also passively cooled

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Como|Lappy:

would that be bad?

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Como|Lappy:

i could always make it active ;)

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RacerX2oo3:

With the right heatsinking you might be able to replace the system CPU fan as well

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xris:

RacerX2oo3: pundit design is pretty good airflow-wise.

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RacerX2oo3:

Nah, if this is a front end system you want as few fans as possible

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xris:

I've been running one in a cabinet for about 3 years now

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xris:

it's almost completely silent.

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RacerX2oo3:

Xris: Yeah, I meant passive was a good thing

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xris:

RacerX2oo3: you wouldn't be able to passively cool the pundit.

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Como|Lappy:

ah

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Como|Lappy:

yeah, reviews look alright

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xris:

Como|Lappy: I don't know anything about that particular one, but the original SiS p4 one works really well

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xris:

innards look pretty similar, so I'm going to guess it's just as quiet as mine

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Como|Lappy:

just wish it had room for more hard drives

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xris:

only big annoyance for me is that firewire and optical audio plugs are on the front behind a door.

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Como|Lappy:

is it small?

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Como|Lappy:

well, i dont own any firewire

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RacerX2oo3:

xris: so a Scythe Ninja wouldn't fit in that case?

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xris:

RacerX2oo3: the power supply has a fan in it.

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kormoc:

RacerX2oo3, nope, it's way taller then the entire case

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RacerX2oo3:

Xris: yeah, but those are pretty quiet these days. I was thinking about system board fans

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Como|Lappy:

wow, thats small

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xris:

cd drive slides in there and butts up about 1" or so from the power supply in back

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xris:

Como|Lappy: the dimensions are also listed

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Aurelius:

if i'm trying to add a new filter, what all do i need to recompile to see the changes to the code?

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RacerX2oo3:

Kormoc: haha, guess it would be time to pull out the dremel then :)

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kormoc:

RacerX2oo3, the extenal case size is 90mm, minus sheet metal size, and motherboard, spacers, cpu size, you're likely down to 70mm of clearance

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xris:

3.6" x 14.1" x 11.0"

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kormoc:

RacerX2oo3, the ninja you said is 110 MM tall

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Como|Lappy:

14 deep, eh

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kormoc:

RacerX2oo3, and if you cut it, you kill the heat pipes so they won't work anymore

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xris:

Como|Lappy: fyi, digital cable + firewire is a nice way to record things.

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kormoc:

oh, heh

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Como|Lappy:

i dont have any firewire, at all

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kormoc:

kinda defeats the purpose to get a sharp looking case and do that :P

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kormoc:

Como|Lappy, he means firewire capture direct from the cable box, no tuner needed

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xris:

Como|Lappy: just saying that if you have cable, you might want to look into it as an option

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Como|Lappy:

a our cable box has what looks like a typeA usb on the front

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Como|Lappy:

no firewire on there that i know of

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xris:

Como|Lappy: only on HD models, and then sometimes only if you ask

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Como|Lappy:

its a digital cable

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GreyFoxx:

Likely for control over the box or firmware updates

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kormoc:

Como|Lappy, like this? http://support.axiolearning.org/images/kyc/laptop/firewire.jpg

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xris:

Como|Lappy: it's worth trying out for $5/month if roadrunner charges similarly to comcast for the HD box upgrade

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Como|Lappy:

no, thats a mini firewire ;)

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Como|Lappy:

i'm a computer tech

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kormoc:

heh, fair nuff

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Como|Lappy:

looks like its on a dell, too

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RacerX2oo3:

It's a shame, though CPU fans are generally the noisest fans in a system, far noiser than PSU fans.

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xris:

RacerX2oo3: the pundit's fans are REALLY quiet

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xris:

When it's idle, I have to get about 5 feet from mine before I can hear it

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RacerX2oo3:

I'm sure 3rd party add-on fans are quieter....

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Como|Lappy:

yeah, if it wasnt quiet it was gonna be replaced

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Como|Lappy:

does it rev as it gets hotter?

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Como|Lappy:

because i was planning on running f@h

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Como|Lappy:

which would put it at 100% load

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xris:

mine does

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kormoc:

Como|Lappy, quiet + cpu usage + small case != do-able

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xris:

then yeah, it would probably be normal-noise-level for you

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Como|Lappy:

oh, its DOable

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kormoc:

Como|Lappy, not on a nice budget :P

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xris:

Como|Lappy: not with "small case"

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Como|Lappy:

not with a stock case

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kormoc:

xris, in theory, could water cool...

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Como|Lappy:

i'd probly have to mod an intake/side exaust just for the cpu

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kormoc:

meh

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Como|Lappy:

lotsa work

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kormoc:

just put a aquarium above it, and water cool from that

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Como|Lappy:

i'll just let it idle

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Como|Lappy:

till we move out

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kormoc:

no need for water heaters for the fish or fans for the comptuer

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xris:

Como|Lappy: the pundit *is* side intake

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RacerX2oo3:

You could try one of the Zalman fans, but they are a bit $$

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Como|Lappy:

depends on side

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xris:

kormoc: water cooling just means big-pile-of-stuff next to the small case.

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Como|Lappy:

i'll probly have it laying on the side

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xris:

Como|Lappy: it doesn't really work that way.

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Como|Lappy:

so its 4" tall

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xris:

intake is on the left side.

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Como|Lappy:

...yeah, or the 'top' for where i'd have it

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xris:

looks ugly on its side, though. if you take off the foot, it's just ugly raw metal beneath

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Como|Lappy:

yeah, im not too interested in looks, really

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Como|Lappy:

just size

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Como|Lappy:

its gonna be ontop of an ugly small tv

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Como|Lappy:

under the cable box and over the pinnacle

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kormoc:

Como|Lappy, so why not get one designed to be on the side?

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Como|Lappy:

because this ones small and cheap

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** kormoc shrugs **

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kormoc:

the one I got was cheaper and can hold more stuff

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kormoc:

shuttle sized

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Como|Lappy:

yeah, i was thinking of a shuttle

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Como|Lappy:

but they're a little bulky

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xris:

shuttles are noisy, too

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kormoc:

mine's not that bad

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kormoc:

I don't use the side fan and so there's only one fan going

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kormoc:

plus it has pretty lights on the front :P

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xris:

ugly. and huge

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Como|Lappy:

not my bank ;)

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Como|Lappy:

and i dont like it

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Como|Lappy:

i want it unobtrusive

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Como|Lappy:

heh

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xris:

Como|Lappy: could go epia

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Como|Lappy:

theres a 4U rackmount case sitting next to the tv

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xris:

Como|Lappy: that can't be quiet

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Como|Lappy:

sure it is

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xris:

off?

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Como|Lappy:

3 nice 120mm fans

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kormoc:

least it's not a 1u

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Como|Lappy:

2 intakes, 1 covering both of the cpu's

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xris:

ahh. so not standard rackmount hardware

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Como|Lappy:

nope

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Como|Lappy:

it fits standard atx parts

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Como|Lappy:

and then some

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Como|Lappy:

has a dual athlon rig in it now

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** xris thinks of the nice 735w rackmount machines sitting in the warehouse waiting to be shipped out. **

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kormoc:

seems like a waste without a rack

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Como|Lappy:

yeah, well

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Como|Lappy:

im working on that

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Como|Lappy:

i need to move out of my 'rents house first

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** kormoc laughs **

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Como|Lappy:

and get at least 2 more rackmount cases

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kormoc:

you know, I just now realized what 'rents means

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Como|Lappy:

hehe

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kormoc:

and now I need to go mock people who have used it and pulled a fast one on me!

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Como|Lappy:

haha

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Como|Lappy:

enjoy that

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kormoc:

ooh, I will, but likely they'll just retort with, dude, it took you a year to get that?

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Como|Lappy:

heh

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Como|Lappy:

hmmm, should i consider a ceartain dvd burner, over whatevers cheap?

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Como|Lappy:

if its loud durning playback it'll just tick me off

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kormoc:

meh, I use sony, which is a rebranded lite-on

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Como|Lappy:

yeah, the 4u has a lite-on

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kormoc:

they're all about the same sound level, or at least, I've never noticed one really louder over another

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xris:

mine gets loud when it's burning. heh.

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Como|Lappy:

yeah, well

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Como|Lappy:

thats not a problem

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Como|Lappy:

anyways i'll be back later, its movie time

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Como|Lappy:

thanks for all the info, guys

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RacerX2oo3:

What would be your minumim CPU requirement for a front-end system if you weren't doing any HD stuff?

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RacerX2oo3:

Wondering about the Dell Optiplex's that pop up dirt cheap on E-bay

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GreyFoxx:

most of my frontends are 733's

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GreyFoxx:

I wouldn't go below a 650

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RacerX2oo3:

hmmmm...

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RacerX2oo3:

Seems like systems in the range go for around $70 shipped ...not bad

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RacerX2oo3:

DAng, someone on craigs list is selling 433Mhz Dell Opti's for $20....too underpowered though

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xris:

once centos5 comes out, you can have my spare 450mhz box. heh

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RacerX2oo3:

nice...haha

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xris:

old redhat 7.3 box that I keep around for running apache 1.x... but I'll move it to a xen image once centos comes out and I start replacing all of my other xen things with it.

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RacerX2oo3:

The Optiplex's have a great form factor, I'm gonna keep my eye out...

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RacerX2oo3:

The 433Mhz are smaller than my DirectTV set top boxes

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RacerX2oo3:

Unfortunately they are about as powerful as well :)

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xris:

heh

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SeaWeed:

good eve all i have a video ? i have a ( Nvidia ultra 6900 ) today is first time i tryed "svideo" out i can go into the Nvidia GUI utility and turn tv out on and workds dam great and gives iption to save setting to xorg but i i use that when i

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SeaWeed:

reboot i have to go rite back in and start it back up can any point me to correct setting to use in xorg ?

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kormoc:

Better get a priest

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SeaWeed:

lol

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RacerX2oo3:

Maybe a voodoo priest would be better than you can raise it from the dead

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sandeen_:

holy smokes!

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** sandeen_ discovers "UseEvents" in the nvidia config **

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xris:

SeaWeed: did the settings auto-apply when you reopened nvidia-config?

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SeaWeed:

(xris) if i tell it to open tv video

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SeaWeed:

but i want it to display to tv all time not just when i tell it to

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xris:

SeaWeed: there's a command to nvidia-settings that makes it load/apply its saved config. I just pop it into my xinitrc

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SeaWeed:

Hum

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xris:

SeaWeed: oh, sorry, I misread what you were trying to do. You need to set up a second screen in your xorg.conf file.

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xris:

kormoc has examples he can link you to.

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SeaWeed:

kool

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SeaWeed:

that would be kool

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SeaWeed:

man i had never tryed svideo it works very dam well

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xris:

SeaWeed: first off, do you use virtual desktops at all?

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kormoc:

so you want dual head with the one doing tv out?

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SeaWeed:

rite

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SeaWeed:

1 screen on LCD 1 on tv both cloned

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kormoc:

ooh, cloned, okay

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xris:

cloned makes things somewhat easier

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SeaWeed:

yep

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SeaWeed:

clone is fine for me

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kormoc:

Aye, and I don't have an example of a cloned setup, let me see

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SeaWeed:

ok

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Aurelius:

if i'm trying to add a new filter, what all do i need to recompile to see the changes to the code?

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kormoc:

SeaWeed, you have the one head working?

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kormoc:

Aurelius, whatever code you touched.

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Aurelius:

kormoc: doesn't seem to be ... i changed the filter_invert.c code (i'm modifying that one in place) and recompile it, and make install

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SeaWeed:

not shure what you mean 1 head i have both displays working now but on every reboot i have to go into nvidia utility and tell it to start tv out

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kormoc:

Aurelius, it all depends on what you changed and did

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Aurelius:

and restart everything, but the playback filter doesn't seem to change (i have invert chained on playback)

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xris:

Aurelius: might want to `make clean`

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xris:

if you install ccache, it'll only recompile the changed stuff

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kormoc:

SeaWeed, have you ever edited your xorg.conf file?

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SeaWeed:

yes

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SeaWeed:

thanks

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kormoc:

SeaWeed, that section goes over what you need to add

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SeaWeed:

ok

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defaultro:

hey folks, need some help, mythtv: could not connect to socket , mythtv: Connection refused and lirc_init failed for mythtv, see preceding messages. I've already chown mythtv /dev/lircd

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defaultro:

chowning didn't help

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Aurelius:

the playback filters are pulling from lib/mythtv/filters, right?

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Aurelius:

cuz i did a make clean all install and the filter didn't change

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kyron:

goodygoody, knew there would be such a channel (irssi is nice but ...uhm...sometimes a pain at simple tasks like listing specific channels) Hello

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defaultro:

ah, looks like i know the issue

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defaultro:

lirc keeps dieng

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defaultro:

dying

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Aurelius:

bleh

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** Aurelius removes all makefiles and rebuilds **

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defaultro:

why does mythfrontend kill lirc when I close it?

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WattoDaToydarian:

hey xris, remember what we talked about the other day with the ffmpeg stuff?

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defaultro:

lircd i mean

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WattoDaToydarian:

when you close the frontend?

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defaultro:

yes

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defaultro:

it's really weird

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WattoDaToydarian:

it should'nt do that, is your remote working?

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defaultro:

i know

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defaultro:

i built my own lirc before and never had this kind of issue

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defaultro:

i just install via yum

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defaultro:

looks like i may have to install from scratch again

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defaultro:

i mean install lirc from source

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defaultro:

and yum-out it

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WattoDaToydarian:

use -n to disable the daemon and run it from the command line to see if it gives you an error

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Aurelius:

my god.

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Aurelius:

it wasn't updating cuz there were parallel installs... in /usr and u/sr/local

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defaultro:

which one should have an -n, lirc?

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WattoDaToydarian:

you type "lircd -n" and any other options you may need

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xris:

WattoDaToydarian: my memory is a bit fuzzy

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WattoDaToydarian:

xris, well did you say that mythtv uses both the ffmpeg mpeg2 demuxer and codec?

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xris:

as I understand it, things are slightly modified from the standard ffmpeg stuff

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defaultro:

yep, lirc is running in fg now

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defaultro:

ah, i'm missing /dev/lirc :)

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WattoDaToydarian:

defaultro, now open and close the frontend and see if lircd says anything

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defaultro:

i will just ln -s it :)

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defaultro:

it killed it when it connected

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defaultro:

i think we know the issue

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defaultro:

trying again now

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WattoDaToydarian:

xris, for Ticket #2498, janne is now saying that the problem isn't related to ffmpeg. Do you have any idea what it could be or is janne in charge of the video output stuff?

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defaultro:

BAM! fixed

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defaultro:

good idea Watt!

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WattoDaToydarian:

defaultro, yeah I once had that problem too, good job

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Aurelius:

i'm gonna have to get another capture device

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Aurelius:

so i can record my personal shows in addition to the stuff i'm recordnig for work

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Aurelius:

too bad i'm out of pci slots :)

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WattoDaToydarian:

Aurelius, get a usb capture device =)

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Aurelius:

WattoDaToydarian: is the plan :)

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Aurelius:

i like the pvr-500 though

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Aurelius:

heh

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Aurelius:

plus, this is gonna be captured and recorded at work

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WattoDaToydarian:

that would work but you'd have to replace one

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Aurelius:

and i'm gonna setup my vpn so i can watch from home

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Aurelius:

replace one?

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xris:

WattoDaToydarian: I don't know much about anything in the C++ code. I just do the perl/php stuff

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Aurelius:

oh hehe, yeah

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Aurelius:

i was just commenting that i like the pvr-500

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Aurelius:

wish i could get another

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Aurelius:

:)

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WattoDaToydarian:

yeah it's a good one

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kormoc:

WattoDaToydarian, which is why it'd be a single extra tuner, not two extra tuners

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Aurelius:

maybe there's a pcie sound card x

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Aurelius:

1

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Aurelius:

i already ahve a pvr500

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xris:

Aurelius: no onboard?

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WattoDaToydarian:

I think i've seen a pcie sound card some where

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Aurelius:

it's an intel 965 board

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Aurelius:

the audio isn't exactly supported yet

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WattoDaToydarian:

oh no it was a pcie tuner!

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Aurelius:

once that happens, though

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Aurelius:

i'm removing my audio card

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xris:

ahh

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Aurelius:

brb, gotta make sure a crawl and billboard fire off :)

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WattoDaToydarian:

xris, does janne use irc?

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Aurelius:

feck, 2 more minutes

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xris:

WattoDaToydarian: yes

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xris:

WattoDaToydarian: add a g for his nick

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WattoDaToydarian:

janneg_?

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WattoDaToydarian:

says he's from germany... I guess he's not awake or something yet

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xris:

the underscore usually means it's an alternate nick, but yeah, that's him.

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defaultro:

btw, the lirc is not working. Does the lirc that comes with fedora configurable so I can tell to use my serial?

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defaultro:

what's wrong with juski's web server, it always stop before 50% using wget

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defaultro:

oh it's hosted at mythtvtalk

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Aurelius:

awesome, the crawls worked

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defaultro:

man, i can't download the file

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defaultro:

it's stopping at 63, 50, 47%

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xris:

defaultro: you probably want the atrpms lirc so you can get the kernel modules

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defaultro:

ok

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Inssomniak:

hi all, Im trying to figure out how to play back a currently recording program? where do I go? its not in the media library

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Aurelius:

what does frame->timecode represent in the VideoFrame struct?

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xris:

Inssomniak: it should be in the media library

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xris:

in the recorded programs section

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Inssomniak:

it isnt, but it does say its currenly recording

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SeaWeed:

(xris) & (kormoc) i have Pc Perfect Now it Boots Rite to DVI And Svideo i dont have to tell it to do any thing now it clone Desktop rite to Svideo ( Thanks Very Much )

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xris:

SeaWeed: :)

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Inssomniak:

I get a list with "all programs" highlighted on the left, and stuff Ive watched on LiveTV on the right

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xris:

SeaWeed: how's it look? interlaced tv/etc?

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SeaWeed:

The TV Video is ( Sweet ) From "VDR & Myth" Terminal and Desktop little Grainy looking

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xris:

ah

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SeaWeed:

but i want for tv

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SeaWeed:

lol

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xris:

if you're running on the lcd, too, you'll want software deinterlace, but if you decide to switch to just the tv, you can rely on nvidia's anti-flicker stuff to deinterlace, which works WAY better.

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SeaWeed:

but im impressed look better then any thing i have ever seen windows do

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SeaWeed:

lol

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Inssomniak:

this doesnt make any sence

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xris:

Inssomniak: you're stuck viewing the livetv group

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Inssomniak:

maybe

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** xris forgets the key command to switch groups **

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Inssomniak:

this sucks

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Inssomniak:

I cant even be sure the show is really taping

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xris:

Inssomniak: you could always connect to the status port with a web browser and look.

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Inssomniak:

whats the status port?

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xris:

6544

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Inssomniak:

now this makes even less sence

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Inssomniak:

the status shows its taping a completely different show than the frontend says

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xris:

Inssomniak: in the "current" or "upcoming"?

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Inssomniak:

actually in the schedule section it says "there are no shows scheuled for recording"

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Inssomniak:

yet the frontend says "recording"

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tank-man:

maybe it is not recording

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Inssomniak:

it says "single record +1 recording" in scheduled recordings

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WattoDaToydarian:

Inssomniak, did you ever stop the recording and try to start it again?

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Inssomniak:

Encoder 11 is local on htpcbackend and is watching Live TV: 'The War at Home' on WUTV-HD. This recording will end at 9:00 PM.

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WattoDaToydarian:

i think it should say "This showing is being recorded"

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Inssomniak:

thats what it says for the card I am supposed to be recording on, it says Im watching Live TV, and Im not

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WattoDaToydarian:

did your frontend crash while you were watching live tv?

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Inssomniak:

it did crash yes

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tank-man:

restart the backend

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kyron:

Hey all, I am sure this came up before so don't hesitate to shove me in x-y-z direction: Is it possible to independantly configure my Nvidia outputs (X:0 X:1 X:2) so that I can use them simultaneously without them being a big desktop (I don't want to extend my desktop, I want to run mythtv in it's own X session as an independant service)

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WattoDaToydarian:

you might have to restart the backend to reset the status since the frontend wasn't able to stop live tv when it crashed

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tank-man:

kyron, yes you can do that

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tank-man:

no i dont know how exactly

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xris:

kyron: yeah. just don't run xinerama

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Inssomniak:

if I restart the backend will my recording start up back where it possibly is recording now? if it really is?

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xris:

Inssomniak: if the backend status doesn't say it's recording, it probably isn't.

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xris:

but there's a good chance it will pick back up, yes.

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Inssomniak:

ok, so frontend is lying

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kyron:

xris: ...so, I would simply omit to mention `Screen 1 "Screen[1]" RightOf "Screen[0]"` in http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Separate_x-scree . . . nitor_and_TV (Section "ServerLayout")

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Inssomniak:

but its too late anyways

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Inssomniak:

the recording is already half over and doesnt air again

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kyron:

actually, come to think of it, I would also have to make sure key an mouse don't interfere...

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xris:

kyron: no, the screens still exist in relation to each other. you need to kill the xinerama part

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kyron:

xris: there is no xinerama in this config...

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kyron:

Oh...one precision, I don't want to "clone" the desktops...

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xris:

kyron: how are things set up at the moment?

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WattoDaToydarian:

Inssomniak, when this happened to me last it wasn't recording at all, you just have to make sure your frontend never crashes while it's watcing live tv

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kyron:

I think i just figured out what to search for: HOWTO configure dual-headed cards as independant X servers...

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Inssomniak:

well the backend status shows it started the recording

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Inssomniak:

after I restarted it

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Inssomniak:

but it still doesnt show in the media library

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WattoDaToydarian:

yeah that worked for me too

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kyron:

xris: well, the furthest I got is using both the CRT + SVIDEO outputs simultaneously or CRT of SVIDEO independantly...

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WattoDaToydarian:

go to the guide and see what it says. you might have to open it and choose reactivate

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xris:

kyron: I'm headed home now. bug kormoc (when he wakes up) to show you his stuff. he's the xorg wiz here.

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WattoDaToydarian:

kyron, are you using an nvidia card? I got my nvidia card setup to have my crt at primary and tv and secondary, each with a separate x server that only the mouse can cross onto.

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kyron:

WattoDaToydarian: but I don't want the mouse to cross over...

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kormoc:

WattoDaToydarian, that's seperate displays

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kyron:

I have a Hauppauge 250, want mythTV to be bound to the SVIDEO out of my nvidia card and use the remote to control that... I want to still be able to use my computer while other people watch TV...as an example...

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WattoDaToydarian:

I dont think there's a way for it to be completely separate like that

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kormoc:

kyron, in short, you can't with only one card, infact I'm not sure you can with the nvidia driver

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kyron:

kormoc: ...bummers guess I'll have to live with switching sessions :(

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WattoDaToydarian:

yeah that's what I do but the mouse still is able to pass between the screens

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adante:

i am late to this conversation so maybe i am misunderstanding the situation, but i was able to run 2 seperate x servers with a single nvidia card

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kormoc:

adante, at the same time with each output a different X server?

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adante:

kormoc: i think so

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kormoc:

adante, I'd love to know how you did that

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kormoc:

adante, so you have two keyboards/mice hooked up?

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adante:

as in at one stage i had 1 computer driving 2 displays: 1 to my bedroom monitor, and a video-out running through the wall to the tv in the living room

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kormoc:

adante, that's easy enough, two displays on one X server, he wants seperate X servers

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adante:

kormoc: never got that far, but living room had a remote control and the other used kb/mouse

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kormoc:

adante, aye, but the mouse could go to the other screen, right?

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adante:

not sure, i don't think so

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kormoc:

adante, have the X config for it?

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adante:

infact i vaguely remember actually trying to 'fix' that because i WANTED it

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kormoc:

adante, now, Nvidia says you can't do that, so if you managed to, that would be great

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adante:

kormoc: huh, in that case maybe i'm mistaken

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kormoc:

adante, you ran startx twice right? once normally and once with a --layout specified?

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adante:

let me see if i can dig up the config

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adante:

pretty sure i started it twice, don't remember a -layout (think i just specified a diff config file)

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kormoc:

huh

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adante:

also, this was not with xorg

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kormoc:

xfree... xorg... bout the same in this context :P

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rtsai1111:

is 50MB/s a decent value for SATA drives (hdparm -t /dev/sda)?

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adante:

sorry guys don't have the config, i think the xorg install scrubbed it

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kyron:

Think I need a different BusID for this to work :(

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noday:

hey everyone

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kormoc:

kyron, you can /try/ 01:00:1 for the second head

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kormoc:

the last number is the 'feature' number

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noday:

im having a problem with my mythtv.....for some reason, it seems to be playing everything back in 1.5x or something, so it goes too fast and everyone sounds like chipmunks

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noday:

how do i fix this?

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WattoDaToydarian:

rtsai1111, I get 174 MB in 3.01 seconds = 57.80 MB/sec so yeah that's good

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kormoc:

usually the driver will map it to the second head even tho it doesn't really exist

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adante:

noday: what ver of myth are you using and are you using dvb?

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noday:

uh, the newest version i believe..... 0.20?

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tank-man:

noday, check your recording profiles? you might have the recordings set to 1.5x on playback

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noday:

and im sorry, im sort of new, what is dvb?

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adante:

kormoc: now that you mention it, i think i was specifying different a busid in the xfree conf

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WattoDaToydarian:

dvb is HDTV

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noday:

no, its not hd

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WattoDaToydarian:

so analog

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noday:

sure

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Inssomniak:

dvb CAN be hdtv, its digital

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kyron:

kormoc: ...heheh...cross fingers... I'll try that and see..

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noday:

im not going through any cable box or anything (though, it is technically comcast cable)

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WattoDaToydarian:

right, digital is both HDTV and SDTV in the same standard

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adante:

noday: ok.. all i can say is i got the behaviour you described (or similar to it) with some of my recordings under old myth (.19-pre) – i believe it was due to subtle corruption in the mpeg file, seemed to occur after reception glitch, but i have not experienced it for a long time

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noday:

weird......it just started happening.....and it happens with dvds too

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Inssomniak:

dvb-t, dvb-c is not used in NA

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Inssomniak:

ATSC and QAM are the standards in NA

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kormoc:

kyron, oh dude!

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kormoc:

Kyler, uh duh, wanna try a few flags?

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WattoDaToydarian:

QAM is the modulation and ATSC is the standard right? what's different between that and dvb?

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Kyler:

kormoc: flags?

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kormoc:

kyron, in your startx script, did you add in -novtswitch -sharevts ?

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Inssomniak:

ATSC is used for over-the-air transmissions, QAM is digital cable-TV

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noday:

hmmm, my recording profiles dont say anything about playback speed

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kyron:

kormoc: I crashed my X last time I tried that...

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kormoc:

Kyler, ooh, sorry that was to kyron

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adante:

kormoc: yeah um.. i'm not an expert in this stuff in this stuff, so that went a little over my head sorry

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kyron:

kormoc: I am willing to try ;)

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kormoc:

kyron, yeah, that's what I was afraid of, you see those attempt to override the vt blanking the video drivers do by default

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WattoDaToydarian:

Inssomniak, isn't over the air 8QPSK?

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kyron:

kormoc: though it might still work, last time I tried it crashed but I had more than one X sessions active at the time (user switching)

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noday:

any other ideas/

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noday:

?

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kyron:

kormoc: so do I try with both options^

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kyron:

?

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Inssomniak:

8PSK and QPSK are modulations, ATSC used 8PSK and I suppose it can use QPSK too, DVB uses them too

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kormoc:

kyron, yes, you need both

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kyron:

ok

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fragged:

Would a 11mbit wifi card be enough bandwith to stream movies/dvd's from another computer (planning to use SMB to stream movies, unless somebody has a better idea) currently the TV box is front+back end and a second box which is connected via ethernet

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WattoDaToydarian:

I use 8QPSK for my over-the-air reception

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Inssomniak:

where do you live?

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CyberKnet2:

aat home

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WattoDaToydarian:

USA

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CyberKnet2:

:)

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kyron:

might have to reboot (good think this connection is irssi in screen on a remote server :P)

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Inssomniak:

ATSC does use 8 and Q-PSK so you have to be using it for ATSC

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WattoDaToydarian:

and ATSC and DVB are different?

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Inssomniak:

yes

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Inssomniak:

completely

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WattoDaToydarian:

mannn, i'll have to look that's stuff up

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Inssomniak:

DVB is not used in USA for over the air transmission

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_Sam--:

using an Nvidia card that has an s-video output on it, is there anything i need to do in order to use that s-video output on a tv, or its enabled by default?

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WattoDaToydarian:

so a pcHDTV-2000 card doesn't support DVB?

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Inssomniak:

no

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kyron:

My command line: `X :2 -novtswitch -sharevts -layout tv -ac` and my xorg.conf: http://pastebin.ca/321133 (for prosperity)

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_Sam--:

prosperity, or posterity?

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fragged:

Would a 11mbit wifi card be enough bandwith to stream movies/dvd's from another computer (planning to use SMB to stream movies, unless somebody has a better idea) currently the TV box is front+back end and a second box which is connected via ethernet

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kormoc:

fragged, might, you're near the limit there

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kormoc:

kyron, so did it work?

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WattoDaToydarian:

fragged, who fragged you? Yes 11mbit is enough, just not for hd stuff

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fragged:

ok cheers

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Smirnov:

ok i got my pvr-150.. works fine in MCE, now i gotta configure under mythtv! :D

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tank-man:

fragged, for sdtv, that works

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fragged:

WattoDaToydarian, seeing as the family TV gives crap quality component, i'm sure I wont be playing any hdtv ;)

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fragged:

ok cheers :)

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Smirnov:

in MCE, its like 1.5 GB for 30 minutes of SD. mythtv isnt like that, is it?

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kormoc:

Smirnov, it's setable

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SlicerDicer-:

Smirnov: umm no?

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Smirnov:

kormoc: ?

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Smirnov:

good cause thats ridiculous, i dont have that much HD space :-)

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fragged:

I saw a 40 minute TV show on a pirate website in HDTV it was like 1.1gb : /

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kormoc:

Smirnov, you can set the bitrate, which is what controls the drive space usage

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SlicerDicer-:

fragged: yeah... that had to look like shit

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_Sam--:

kyron: what part of the xorg.conf was needed in order to use the s-video nvidia output?

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SlicerDicer-:

fragged: my HDTV stuff is 8+gb for a hour

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WattoDaToydarian:

it was probably xvid

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_Sam--:

just this: #

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_Sam--:

Driver "nvidia"

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_Sam--:

#

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_Sam--:

Option "TVOutFormat" "SVIDEO" #"COMPOSITE" # Or "SVIDEO"

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_Sam--:

#

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Smirnov:

i get a full hour of a TV show off bittorrent for ~350MB so a 30 minute thing shouldnt take 1.5GB

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_Sam--:

(sorry , bad paste)

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PSU:

hi guys...i have been using mythtv for about a month to handle my analog channels but now wondered what i need to do to record the digital channels (i.e. > channel 60). i have a scientific atlanta explorer 2200. Thanks!

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kormoc:

Smirnov, I for awhile had it using 350 megs for 30 minutes, looked kinda crappy, now I'm using around 700 megs for 30 minutes, but you can go as high as 2.5 gb if you like

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SlicerDicer-:

Smirnov: there is a thing called quality

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Smirnov:

you can set up mythTV so that its using 2 separate X sessions can you

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

Smirnov, if you're good at X configuration, sure

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Smirnov:

what do you people do

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kormoc:

_Sam--, you should read the nvidia readme on how to setup tv out

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Smirnov:

i want to be able to use my LCD monitor and not have it show the TV stuff

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_Sam--:

kormoc: id love to, can you direct me to it?

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: wow..

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kormoc:

Smirnov, you can setup two displays easily enough, 2 x servers is a bit harder

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kormoc:

_Sam--, it's on nvidia's website

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WattoDaToydarian:

PSU, is it over the air or cable and what's a scientific atlanta explorer 2200?

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, hrm?

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: wanting that low of space...

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SlicerDicer-:

I like high quality

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PSU:

WattoDaToydarian: cable. that's my digital cable receiver

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SlicerDicer-:

harddrives are cheap :)

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, heh, 2200 kbps is fine for my tv

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, not /that/ cheap :P

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Smirnov:

kormoc: dont need 2 x servers, just need it so i can have full screen video playing in my TV and use the LCD monitor for regular linux stuff

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, tho, you can feel free to buy me a bunch of large drives :P

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kormoc:

Smirnov, sure, setup 2 displays

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: I record alot of HD and I have well over 200 programs on 720gb

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Smirnov:

kormoc: and they can be different resolutions

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WattoDaToydarian:

PSU, does it have a firewire port for output? I've read that people are using that to record

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Smirnov:

kormoc: like nvidia dualhead ?

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kormoc:

Smirnov, yes

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: thats more than anybody should need :)

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: and if shit hits the fan and I need space badly thats what mytharchive is for :)

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PSU:

WattoDaToydarian: i don't see a firewire port, just a USB port on the front...

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, my mythbox has a single 200 gb drive :P

[03:06:07]

SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: that still is not bad

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SlicerDicer-:

should be able to easy get 70+ shows on there

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Smirnov:

kormoc: ok cool, ill start configuring mythtv as soon as the ppl in my room stop messing with MCE :)

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SlicerDicer-:

thats not counting if you do nuvexport :)

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, aye, it holds around 100 or so shows, but still, that's not many

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WattoDaToydarian:

PSU, I dont know about that. Do you know if your cable is encrypted? If it's unencrypted you can get a digital tuner card for your pc.

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: well I mean I have alot of shows archived I must admit :)

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: I think near 80

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PSU:

hmm, i'm not sure...it's comcast (was adelphia)

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kormoc:

WattoDaToydarian, it's encrypted

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SlicerDicer-:

PSU: look on the back for the firewire port

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SlicerDicer-:

PSU: they are not on the front :)

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SlicerDicer-:

there should be 2 of them

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SlicerDicer-:

for daisy chain mmmm ;-)

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PSU:

SlicerDicer-: i see a bypass port but it's covered up

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PSU:

is that it?

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SlicerDicer-:

moment PSU I will take a image for ya of mine

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SlicerDicer-:

they are slightly differnet than comcast but the idea remains the same

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PSU:

ok

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PSU:

i was adelphia....just got bought out by comcast

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PSU:

but i don't see firewire

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PSU:

s-video, composite out, etc.

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kormoc:

you might need to request it

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SlicerDicer-:

indeed kormoc

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PSU:

ah, that sucks

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SlicerDicer-:

I did have one comcast box that did not have firewire

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kormoc:

by law, if you have a hd subscription, they need to give it to you

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SlicerDicer-:

PSU: dont worry they are required to give it to you :)

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PSU:

so no other way to record the digital channels?

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: if he has USB on the front its a HD box :)

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PSU:

well i don't have an HD subscirption

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PSU:

is the USB useful for anything?

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kormoc:

PSU, you can hook up the svideo/composite out to the svideo/composte in on a tuner card

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kormoc:

nope

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: unless its some weird stuff... I havent ever seen a non HD box that had USB

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, you can have a hd box without a hd subscription which doesn't count

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kyron:

kormoc: so...my computer rebooted...

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: hmm

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kyron:

hahahaha

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SlicerDicer-:

they will do that and hope the new one has firewire :)

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kyron:

yeah, and don't do the -novtswitch -sharevts in a console...then you also loose all consoles! :P

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PSU:

kormoc: why can't i use the "cable" remote?

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kormoc:

Kyler, heh

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kyron:

kormoc: no, this ain't working :(

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kormoc:

PSU, cause for myth to record, it needs to change the channel, even when you're not there

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kyron:

aw man...I don't want to buy some other crappy TVout card to do this :(...

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PSU:

i c

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SlicerDicer-:

http://idisk.mac.com/slicerdicer/Public/cablebox.jpg

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SlicerDicer-:

there ya go PSU you should be able to see the IEEE1394 and where its suposto be :)

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kormoc:

kyron, well, you could buy a second nvidia card, it likely will work with those options, I'm just not 100% sure

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kyron:

...sigh...so, alternative, are there set-top mythTV clients...I can still use this powerful server as ...well...a server..

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PSU:

SlicerDicer-: wow, you have a lot more than my receiver! i must have a basic model

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kormoc:

kyron, sure, there's mini-myth and a bunch of other out of the box software solutions, including a few for diskless clients

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SlicerDicer-:

PSU: that is not a normal cablebox

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kyron:

kormoc: I have an ATI (yeark!) with TV out next to me...oh and maybe one lying around at the U...hmmm

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PSU:

:P

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SlicerDicer-:

PSU: its a damn DCT6116 or whatever the DVR is... they wont give me anything but the DVR

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kormoc:

kyron, heh, worth a try, but I can just imagine the fun of a nvidia and ati in the same box :P

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PSU:

gotcha

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PSU:

alright well thanks for your help guys!

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kyron:

kormoc: I HATE ati with a passion...such hell to set up..

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WattoDaToydarian:

SlicerDicer- what is your cable box doing with a SATA and ethernet port?

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SlicerDicer-:

well WattoDaToydarian if you add a Seagate 200gb drive IIRC is what it has to be

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SlicerDicer-:

you can expand the space on the stupid dvr

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SlicerDicer-:

the ethernet.. well it has a modem in it for cable

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SlicerDicer-:

but they are too stupid to use it so they have seperate hardware for that

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WattoDaToydarian:

ohhh cool

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WattoDaToydarian:

they? it's not yours?

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SlicerDicer-:

no no those are Cableone's cableboxes :)

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kormoc:

WattoDaToydarian, he's leasing it from the cable co

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WattoDaToydarian:

ohhh sorry I get it

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SlicerDicer-:

speaking of cable co

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alsoconfused:

kyron: LTSP might be a good place to look for info on what you're trying to do.

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SlicerDicer-:

I need to call them tomorrow and holler at them again about my displeasure with being forced to use DVR boxes :)

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, just lodge a FCC complaint, or threaten to lodge one

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WattoDaToydarian:

SlicerDicer- you cant even use your firewire to record?

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SlicerDicer-:

WattoDaToydarian: ohh I can

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: I did and they unlocked alot of channels from 5C lol :)

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SlicerDicer-:

got them to do that

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SlicerDicer-:

but kormoc I dont think the FCC dictates what kinda boxes right?

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SlicerDicer-:

just firewire enabled

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SlicerDicer-:

they can gouge you if they want?

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, they have a statement about 'no extra cost'

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: this is true

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SlicerDicer-:

so if I am a HD subscriber the cablebox should be no extra cost ontop of the HD?

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: I am just trying to understand

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, no, just no extra cost to get a box with firewire from a box without

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SlicerDicer-:

well I already have boxes with firewire!

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kyron:

DOH...the other cards are AGP :(....don't have that here...bummers ++ :(...gues this system will only be used to record and sometimes do some playback (

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, so if a normal cable box is costing you $5 / mo, and you request firewire, and they say you need to upgrade to the pvr model, that's against the regulation

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fragged:

What file would I have to configure to change the menu arrangement on the frontend?

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: well then I am screwed :) cause I am already paying for the higher priced box

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kormoc:

fragged, one of the *.xml files

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SlicerDicer-:

cause they wont give me the lower cost ones

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WattoDaToydarian:

/usr/share/mythtv/the .xml files

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: thats the only option

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, why won't they?

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fragged:

cheers

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: they say they dont have but one model of cablebo

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SlicerDicer-:

cablebox

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SlicerDicer-:

for HD anyway

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kormoc:

strange

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WattoDaToydarian:

Get the terminator to make them lower your prices!

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SlicerDicer-:

http://broadband.motorola.com/dvr/dct6412.asp

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SlicerDicer-:

thats what they force me to use

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kormoc:

a few states off

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WattoDaToydarian:

As far as I'm concerned, if cable has commercials (which it does) it's not worth paying for.

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xris:

kormoc: no, I don't believe the regulation says that. just says that they have to offer a solution for HD customers who want firewire.

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kormoc:

xris, I thought for sure it was to provide a working firewire port at no extra cost

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: and they can rip your nuts off in cost if they want

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xris:

kormoc: they're not charging for the firewire port.

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: so there's no way to get HD without getting a pvr?

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[R]:

can someone explain this... a show i recorded last night... 30 minutes, is 6.1gb... a show i recorded tonight, 32 minutes... is 1.7gb

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kormoc:

xris, but they are if they say their standard hd boxes can't do it

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: correct

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kormoc:

xris, the mandate says all hd boxes must have it, not must offer it

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xris:

kormoc: no, it says that it must be provided if the customer asks for it. I don't even think there's an "at no extra cost" option.

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kormoc:

xris, "As a means of ensuring the connectivity of these devices, the proposed rules

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kormoc:

would obligate all cable operators, effective December 31, 2003, to replace or upgrade

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kormoc:

subscriber-leased high definition set-top boxes upon subscriber request to ensure that such boxes

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kormoc:

have ?functional? 1394 interfaces."

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alsoconfused:

kyron: i was talking about the work they've done with multihead setups

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xris:

kormoc: right, but SlicerDicer's saying that they don't have non-pvr HD boxes.

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kormoc:

xris, but how is saying you need to pay $5 more a month a upgrade or replacement?

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: its not 5$

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kormoc:

xris, yes, at the time I said that he didn't say that part

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SlicerDicer-:

tis 10$ per bloody box

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SlicerDicer-:

thats what I am foced to pay

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kyron:

alsoconfused: oh, iirc, it's for dual display, not independant displays..

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SlicerDicer-:

forced rather

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: that's the same that I pay.

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xris:

$5 for the box, $5 for the HD upgrade to that box

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SlicerDicer-:

xris I got them for 5$ each from comcast

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SlicerDicer-:

I had multiple boxes

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SlicerDicer-:

more than 3 ;-)

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SlicerDicer-:

so it was cheaper

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[R]:

so NO ONE knows why this recording is 6gb?

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: you could always just buy a couple of HD tuner cards and run QAM.

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SlicerDicer-:

now at cableone I get 2 boxes free basicly with my subscription to HDTV

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SlicerDicer-:

then each box I have extra after that is 10$ not 5$ like comcast

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alsoconfused:

kyron: independent displays. i.e. 2*(monitor+kb+mouse)

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WattoDaToydarian:

[R] is it a different resolution or bit rate?

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SlicerDicer-:

so instead of paying 15$ to comcast for extra boxes its well double...

[03:31:15]

SlicerDicer-:

it sucks

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[R]:

it shoudlnt be

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kyron:

alsoconfused: you mean something like this too then: http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/multiuser/

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kormoc:

[R], it could be a bad recording or just very uncompressable

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xris:

[R]: what source?

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: I can only record local HDTV with that :/

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WattoDaToydarian:

[R] maybe the smaller one did'nt finish recording for somereason

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[R]:

its cable tv

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: not always the case. many people get digital SD

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[R]:

although the larger recording is off a crappy channel

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[R]:

if that makes a differnece

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: what you mean?

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[R]:

midentify says the bitrates and all are the same

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WattoDaToydarian:

[R] the crappy channel is fuzzy? the fuzz takes up more space

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[R]:

ah

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kormoc:

[R], yes, it does

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xris:

[R]: that tells us a LOT... now how about sharing how you got it into the computer? dvb-c? analog cable? digital cable? framegrabber? pvr-150?

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[R]:

thats lame

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[R]:

xian_: a crappy bttv card

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xris:

[R]: midentify only gives you an estimate

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WattoDaToydarian:

[R] you should call your cable company and get that channel fixed

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xris:

[R]: that's your answer. lots of static makes things harder to compress

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[R]:

oh

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[R]:

ok, that makes sense

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kormoc:

[R], you see, compression deals with only storing the changes to the image, a static image has tons of changes that makes it harder to compress

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[R]:

WattoDaToydarian: i live in a college dorm... they just suck

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Kyler:

Where can I get libs/libmythupnp/upnpglobal.h?

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kormoc:

Kyler, svn.mythtv.org

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WattoDaToydarian:

oh ok then

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[R]:

kormoc: ah... good to know i guess

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xris:

afk; dinner.

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[R]:

so i'm really disapointed... i'm moving into my own apartment soon, and its gonna be all sweet and stuff

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: I would be incapable of capturing the digital channels

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SlicerDicer-:

like hbo etc

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[R]:

but i really want HDTV and all that jazz... but i want to be able to record _ALL_ my cahnnels with my myth box

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Kyler:

kormoc: Thanks, but can you get me closer? Is there a way to browse for it? (It didn't come in my update.)

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[R]:

and unfortunatly... stupid 5C and all that nonsense

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WattoDaToydarian:

[R] well like what we were just talking about, you can get a hd cable box with firewire and record in mythtv using firewire

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Kyler:

Doh! I see "browse source"...

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[R]:

WattoDaToydarian: except for 5C

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WattoDaToydarian:

What's 5C?

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[R]:

which the area i'm gonna be in... they 5C everyhting but the locals

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kormoc:

Kyler, well, first I'd click on browse source, and then on the branch I'm using, namely trunk, then I'd click on mythtv, then libs, then libmythupnp, and then upnpglobal.h

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[R]:

where you cant copy over firewire all the encrypted channels

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WattoDaToydarian:

oh man, that sux

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kormoc:

[R], welp, you're kinda screwed then

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Aurelius:

what's 5C stand for?

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[R]:

yeah

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[R]:

so i gotta fork out the $$$ for the cable box

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Kyler:

kormoc: You see upnpglobal.h? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mythtv/libs/libmythupnp

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WattoDaToydarian:

there's all ways the analog loophole! MUHAHA!

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kormoc:

Aurelius, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5C

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[R]:

but... with this new july 1st deadline and the whole cable card thing... it looks like they are gonna start selling set top boxes that hopefully should be better than the cable companies'

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[R]:

alhtough i did read cox is switching over to tivo software hopefully within the next year

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kyron:

alsoconfused: is this what you were referring to?: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/MultiSeat

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kormoc:

Kyler, sorry, my bad, might be greyfoxx specific, and might need to talk to him then

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Aurelius:

heh, doesn't help much... but thanks anyway :)

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[R]:

WattoDaToydarian: but analog isn't as good as digital

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Aurelius:

omg

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Aurelius:

analog > digital in the grand scheme :)

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Kyler:

kormoc: Dang. My system is hosed. And my wife just came back from a week away...

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[R]:

but from what i read on the mailing lists

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WattoDaToydarian:

[R] yeah I know, i was just joking. I would switch to free satellite

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[R]:

you can't really capture analog hd stuff

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[R]:

free satellite... in the US?... whats that, like 10 channels?

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Aurelius:

big dish!

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WattoDaToydarian:

[R] yeah I dont know of an analog HD recorder...

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WattoDaToydarian:

yeah 36" dish

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Aurelius:

36"?

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Aurelius:

pfft

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kyron:

well, thanks all for your input, I'll continue my fiddling later.

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Aurelius:

try 3m

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[R]:

so i just intsalled trunk

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[R]:

and i gotta say, trunk mythweb is awesome

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defaultro:

guys, what do you think about 2.6.19? Is it good?

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[R]:

WattoDaToydarian: that page lies

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[R]:

it has listed a satellite at 42E

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[R]:

you cant pick up 42E in the US

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Aurelius:

where is that?

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WattoDaToydarian:

well I figured that you cant get ALL those channels but still...

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Aurelius:

i mean, where is the 42E listing?

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Smirnov:

how do you restart X after you get an error after changing xorg.conf ?

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kormoc:

Smirnov, startx

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[R]:

most look like crap channesl anyway

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Smirnov:

"Requested Entity already in use!"

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[R]:

Aurelius: discovery hd europe is listed on that page

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[R]:

its on 42E

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kormoc:

Smirnov, might need to reboot, depending on what is hosed

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Smirnov:

argh.. i was trying to add the svideo TV-out to my config :(

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WattoDaToydarian:

Well it's an idea of mine, it's free which makes it a whole lot better in my eyes

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_Sam--:

Smirnov: if its any consolation, i just had to re-install, after messing up my xorg.conf settings....wasnt worth booting with a rescue cd (i had nothing no the box anyway7)

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Aurelius:

ah

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_Sam--:

trying to add svideo out for my nvidia card

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Aurelius:

WattoDaToydarian: that and an antenna for OTA rx would work fine

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[R]:

you reinstalled

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[R]:

JUST cuz you screwed up your xorg.conf?

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[R]:

that makes NO sense

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_Sam--:

wouldnt boot

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Smirnov:

ok

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[R]:

it woudlnt boot because you scwered up your xorg.conf?

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_Sam--:

it would go to load the splash screen, and then hang

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Smirnov:

does module "nv" not support the svideo out or something

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_Sam--:

[R]: yes

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[R]:

Smirnov: i dont think so

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[R]:

must be some kind of really crappy dist

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jams:

Kyler- almost looks like it was removed. I have the file in svn 12389, but 12562 doesn't have it

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Aurelius:

i got the svideo out on my 7300gs working

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_Sam--:

Smirnov: if your nvidia has an svideo out on it, its supported

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WattoDaToydarian:

Aurelius yeah defiantly. it would be free and you could still tell people about how many channels you have ;)

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Aurelius:

plus if you find surplus gear you can have it free/cheap too

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Aurelius:

heh

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Kyler:

jams: Thanks. I'm trying to revert right now.

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_Sam--:

[r] : i guess that doestn say much for knoppmyth then

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Smirnov:

im running ubuntu 6.06 with stock nv drivers, do i need some kind of official nvidia drivers to get svideo to work?

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_Sam--:

either way, it was my own fault, and i could have booted into a console and fixed it with a cd if felt like it

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kormoc:

Smirnov, highly recommended, yes, from nvidia.com

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rab1d:

the ivtv wiki link no longer exist, but i was wondering what hauppauge pvr cards support passthrough

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kormoc:

_Sam--, that's a tad old

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WattoDaToydarian:

Smirnov do "apt-get install nvidia-glx"

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kormoc:

_Sam--, they're in the 9xxx drivers now

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_Sam--:

when i went there to read about how to get it to work with x, that was page i found...sorry for bad info.

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_Sam--:

that took me to this : ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-7167/README.txt

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kormoc:

_Sam--, nviida.com click on drivers, and then on linux drivers, then select the version (newest is at the top) :P

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Smirnov:

WattoDaToydarian: thanks i will try that

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Smirnov:

WattoDaToydarian: what kind of Xorg.conf changes do I need to do after that

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_Sam--:

i just searched for xorg on their search box :)

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defaultro:

hey guys, i need more brains. What could be causing the slow HD playback on the same system but different fedora version? I have tweaked hdparm, no good. I'm using the same nvidia binary driver and same config

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_Sam--:

and that was the only page that came back

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kormoc:

Smirnov, all covered in the nvidia driver's readme

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Aurelius:

defaultro: resolution?

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Smirnov:

ok

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defaultro:

same xorg.conf

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WattoDaToydarian:

Smirnov use nvidia-xconfig after that

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Aurelius:

take a look at top between the two

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kormoc:

defaultro, disable AIGLX, compiz, etc?

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Aurelius:

see if there's any big differences

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Aurelius:

it might lead you in the correct location

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defaultro:

how do i check those out?

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Aurelius:

hrm, location?

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Aurelius:

direction

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_Sam--:

why cant mythtv enable the svideo on nvidia in a menuing system someplace?

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_Sam--:

like under general options or something

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Aurelius:

cuz myth is not the windowing system

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[R]:

because myth doesnt control X

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kormoc:

defaultro, xdspinfo under extensions

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_Sam--:

it could easily add a line (sections) to the xorg.conf

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_Sam--:

and restart x

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defaultro:

ok

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kormoc:

defaultro, make sure composite isn't in there

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_Sam--:

from a menu within myth

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Smirnov:

WattoDaToydarian: thanks a lot :)

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defaultro:

maybe, you mean, xdpyinfo

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Smirnov:

WattoDaToydarian: worked right after that! :-D

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kormoc:

_Sam--, cause it's not proper to do, mythfrontend isn't run as the root user and only the root user can edit the xorg.conf

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WattoDaToydarian:

Smirnov your welcome

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_Sam--:

just cause myth doesnt control the windowing system, doesnt mean that myth couldnt make it easier for users.

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_Sam--:

it could sudo

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Smirnov:

WattoDaToydarian: how do I switch to the other monitor

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kormoc:

_Sam--, yet alone myth supports any and all tv cards, should it support all of them?

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Aurelius:

kormok: duude. uid0 > *

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kormoc:

_Sam--, I don't have any sudo on my box

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WattoDaToydarian:

Smirnov, you mean turn it on?

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rab1d:

ya no sudo here either ;)

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Smirnov:

WattoDaToydarian: i am getting the desktop on my other monitor but i cant move my mouse to it

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kormoc:

Aurelius, myth isn't run as uid0

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_Sam--:

im just pointing out what seems to be a common theme amount users — turning on the svideo for nvidia

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[R]:

_Sam--: cuz everyone uses nvidia...

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_Sam--:

and its something that could be easily automated within myth, if it were chosen

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Aurelius:

kormok: everyuser has uid0!

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defaultro:

kormoc, I don't see it under extensions

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WattoDaToydarian:

Smirnov maybe it's reversed and you have to move the mouse to the other side

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Smirnov:

clearly you have to be hardcore enough to gedit Xorg.conf

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kormoc:

_Sam--, what about different driver versions? should it update between driver revisions?

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Aurelius:

gedit?

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Aurelius:

vi :P

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Smirnov:

WattoDaToydarian: im using synergy to get a fake mouse

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kormoc:

_Sam--, or what happens when it makes a mistake due to a stange server layout style?

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_Sam--:

kormoc: should it? why shouldnt it, if it could

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Smirnov:

WattoDaToydarian: and i dont have a real mouse plugged in to the desktop

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Smirnov:

WattoDaToydarian: and i cant drag my browser to the other monitor either

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kormoc:

_Sam--, what happens when you downgrade driver versions? should it update it?

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Aurelius:

then synergy is setup wrong

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kormoc:

_Sam--, if you like this idea, you should code it

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WattoDaToydarian:

or he's using dual desktop mode

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** Aurelius farts or sommat **

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rab1d:

is it possible to hook up a game console to mythtv without delay (i saw something about tv passthrough) ?

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_Sam--:

i could code it in a week

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kormoc:

rab1d, I don't believe ivtv supports it

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Aurelius:

so stop talking, and do.

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[R]:

myth records everyhting

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Aurelius:

there is no try.

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Smirnov:

arghhh, how do i switch to the other monitor? oh woe :(

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_Sam--:

ctrl-alt-f7

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[R]:

rab1d: you have to use something aside from myth to do that

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_Sam--:

or f8 i think

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kormoc:

_Sam--, so do it, it's not gonna get done otherwise, and it's highly highly doubtful that it will be accepted

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kormoc:

Smirnov, should just move the mouse cursor over to it

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Smirnov:

kormoc: not working

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Smirnov:

maybe its cause i got synergy

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Smirnov:

isnt there a keystroke to do this?

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kormoc:

Smirnov, try all 4 sides

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Aurelius:

corners, everywhere

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Smirnov:

nope

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_Sam--:

why do they have the stupid nvidia-settings program built into myth ....right in there is the perfect place to have "enable s-video output"

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kormoc:

Smirnov, no there isn't, it's cause it's sorta one fake screen

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WattoDaToydarian:

Aurelius, you might have used the wrong option somewhere

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jams:

Kyler- it was removed in 12256

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rab1d:

[R]: whats an alternative, as the 500mce gives me all these nice inputs but they are going through mpeg2 encoding?

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jams:

why do you need it?

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Aurelius:

i did wha?

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[R]:

last i chekced nvidia-settings can't enable svideo

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_Sam--:

i know it cant.

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_Sam--:

it should.

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WattoDaToydarian:

Aurelius in xconfig

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kormoc:

_Sam--, nvidia-settings isn't a myth program

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kormoc:

_Sam--, it's an nvidia program

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Kyler:

jams: No rule to make target `../../libs/libmythupnp/upnpglobal.h', needed by `httpstatus.o'. Stop.

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Aurelius:

i didn't break xconfig... what are you talking about? :)

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[R]:

rab1d: i dunno about that card, but i know you cant use myth to do it

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[R]:

rab1d: cuz it adds its own delay ontop of whatever delay the card creates

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jams:

Kyler- no problems here, perhaps you need todo a make distclean first?

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rab1d:

[R]: ya i understand where the delays are coming from but is it even possible to bypass the cards encoding?

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WattoDaToydarian:

Aurelius i know but there's 3 dual monitor modes, clone, dual desktop, and big desktop, I think that's what there called

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Kyler:

jams: Probably. I was thinking about doing that. I just didn't want to start all over. Thanks.

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[R]:

[ 8:58:11] [R] rab1d: i dunno about that card ...

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Smirnov:

Garrr, its not letting me switch to the 2nd monitor

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Smirnov:

surely theres a way to do this without a mouse?

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Aurelius:

WattoDaToydarian: i was not having problems with X...

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_Sam--:

ctrl-alt-f7 and ctrl-alt-f8

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kormoc:

Smirnov, not really, it's designed to be that way

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_Sam--:

change the nvidia output, from what i remember reading

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sandeen_:

rab1d, how about hooking your game console to another tv input & change the inputs with your tv remote :)

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kormoc:

_Sam--, that only works with two x servers, not two displays

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_Sam--:

i see (sorry again)

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Smirnov:

_Sam--: no that doesnt work

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kyron:

oops... could it be that mythtvbackend doesn't work with mysql5?...

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[R]:

it works here

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kyron:

its just unable to connect to it :(

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kormoc:

_Sam--, both his monitors are sharing one display (:0.0 and :0.1) what you're describing works with two x servers (:0.0 and :1.0)

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WattoDaToydarian:

Aurelius omg i'm embarrassed.. sorry I meant to send those to Smirnov

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kormoc:

kyron, I run it with mysql 5.1

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Aurelius:

WattoDaToydarian: ahh, ok :)

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WattoDaToydarian:

LOL

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rab1d:

sandeen: sure got it all hooked up but mythtv and even the card introduce delay, the only option is to hope there is a passthrough switch/bits/register to set

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kyron:

I keep getting: `Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)` ...but the password is correct if I type it manually...

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Smirnov:

?

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Aurelius:

i was thinking to myself ... "dahell is this guy talking about?"

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kyron:

is mythbackend using: /etc/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt ?

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sandeen_:

rab1d, do you not have some other tv input to hook it to?

[04:01:21]

WattoDaToydarian:

Smirnov read the messages I sent to Aurelius

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Smirnov:

gah, i wish i could get that far as you guys

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kormoc:

kyron, likely not, check /root/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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sandeen_:

rab1d, no real use in passing it through myth

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kormoc:

kyron, or /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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rab1d:

sandeen_: ya thats true, a nice integration step but definately not *really* needed

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kyron:

kormoc: oh... which one is it supposed to use O_o!

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sandeen_:

just push [INPUT] on your tv remote & be happy :)

[04:02:32]

rab1d:

sandeen_: i have an old bt878 card that i can use

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kormoc:

kyron, it can use any of them, just update them all to the same and be happy :P

[04:02:37]

kyron:

well...it uses /root/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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rab1d:

sadeen_: if only there were a tv involved or a remote ;)

[04:03:02]

kyron:

kormoc: HAHAHA...I need to know which one the startup script will use ...k

[04:03:12]

_Sam--:

kormoc : you're really smart about this stuff (not being a smart ass, really)....why doesnt nvidia enable the s-video output by default

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_Sam--:

in twinview mode

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kormoc:

kyron, it should use the homedir of the user mythbackend runs as

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[R]:

_Sam--: you have to tell the driver what you want it to do

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[R]:

_Sam--: it can't read your mind

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kormoc:

kyron, might want to edit the init.d script and see if it changes the user, if not, it runs as root

[04:04:30]

kormoc:

_Sam--, well, enabling dual head slows performance down quite a bit, also, the svideo is enabled, the second head for a second monitor is disabled

[04:04:31]

kyron:

kormoc: point taken...thanks

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WattoDaToydarian:

Smirnov that's where you have 2 screens, each with their own desktop (you cant move windows between them only the mouse)

[04:05:08]

Smirnov:

WattoDaToydarian: ok but its not letting me move the mouse :-|

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kormoc:

synergy can cause that issue

[04:05:20]

WattoDaToydarian:

I dunno about that

[04:05:26]

kormoc:

synergy can only see one of the displays

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_Sam--:

enabling the s-video on a card that has a 15pin vga and an s-video connector, in twinview mode, will cause a loss of perofroamnce?

[04:05:30]

Smirnov:

argh,what...

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Smirnov:

i dont have a physical mouse connected to this computer

[04:05:43]

_Sam--:

im not sure how, but i cant argue with your knowledge.

[04:05:47]

kormoc:

_Sam--, yes, around 40% in raw fillrate

[04:05:50]

WattoDaToydarian:

Smirnov try rerunning the nvidia-xconfig and choosing different options

[04:06:07]

kormoc:

_Sam--, well, the card only has one GPU, and you just increased the resolution it needs to render

[04:06:24]

[R]:

_Sam--: the fact of the matter is

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_Sam--:

the s-video is outputting the same thing as the vdo connector — how is there more processing

[04:06:29]

[R]:

_Sam--: nothing happens by itself

[04:06:33]

_Sam--:

er as the vga connector

[04:06:34]

[R]:

_Sam--: you HAVE to tell it what you want... thats just how it is

[04:06:43]

_Sam--:

i get it, sorry for being a hard head.

[04:06:50]

Dr_willis:

even in clone mode i guess it has to rerender it.

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kormoc:

_Sam--, in clone mode? that's slightly different, still a loss, but not as much

[04:06:53]

_Sam--:

i just think it could be simpler

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[R]:

then get a job at nvidia

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[R]:

and fix the driver

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Smirnov:

WattoDaToydarian: ok i pluggged in a real mouse and that works ok

[04:07:11]

kormoc:

_Sam--, aye, it needs to rerender it to fit the different resolution output, as well as any color differences

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Smirnov:

WattoDaToydarian: i think ill stick with that solution for now since ill only be running mythtv in the second monitor

[04:07:26]

kormoc:

_Sam--, as well as generate a new signal in an entirely different style

[04:07:53]

_Sam--:

thanks for your patience.

[04:08:03]

_Sam--:

and taking the time to explain — im just cranky i f'd mine up :)

[04:08:27]

Smirnov:

WattoDaToydarian: is it better to run 2 X servers or just 1 ?

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kormoc:

_Sam--, you're lucky you haven't needed to play with x modes yet, where you tell the x server the resolution, scanrates, pixel clock rates and all that jazz for the display to look right, that used to take *forever* and a day :P

[04:08:50]

[R]:

speaking of resolution

[04:08:53]

[R]:

i despise the nvidia driver

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[R]:

it refuses to output at my native resolution over DVI simply because the tv is a piece of crap and doesnt have good EDID

[04:09:11]

_Sam--:

kormoc: contrary to what you would think based on this conversation — ive been running X since 1996, and have had to do all of those settings by hand, plenty of times :)

[04:09:31]

_Sam--:

i remember fvwm95

[04:09:33]

kormoc:

[R], you can just set the IgnoreEDID flag to true and it will ignore it

[04:09:33]

Inssomniak:

[R], your lucky your TV has an EDID at all, mine doesnt :(

[04:09:33]

WattoDaToydarian:

Smirnov if all you want to do it run mythfrontend on the 2nd monitor, then I would use 2 xservers so the frontend stays away from the primary monitor. That's how mine is setup

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[R]:

kormoc: you'd think it would be that simple

[04:09:46]

[R]:

kormoc: it still refuses

[04:09:48]

kormoc:

[R], tends to be

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Smirnov:

WattoDaToydarian: ah all right, ill probably try to do that after i get mythtv working

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kormoc:

[R], got a xlog of it?

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[R]:

kormoc: i tried every single possible option

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[R]:

kormoc: not handy

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kormoc:

_Sam--, heh, fair nuff

[04:10:09]

Smirnov:

WattoDaToydarian: do you have any suggestions on how to get a PVR-150/mythtv installed on an amd64 ?

[04:10:10]

[R]:

i forget what the error was, something about DFP backend scaler

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kormoc:

[R], if you ever do, let me know, as well as the xorg.conf, I might be able to poke at it

[04:10:21]

Smirnov:

WattoDaToydarian: cause i was just going to use http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=186747 otherwise

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kormoc:

[R], ooh! that's different, what res are you attempting to use?

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[R]:

136{0,6,8}x720

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[R]:

768*

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[R]:

and the card is claiming its only 1280x720

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kormoc:

[R], you likely have a slow pixel clock on the card, and it can't handle that res, what card are you using?

[04:11:04]

[R]:

fx 5500

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Inssomniak:

I found out so far that even though the TV has a native res of 1366x768 it doesnt mean the TV will take that res

[04:11:55]

kormoc:

[R], that *should* be able to handle it...

[04:11:57]

_Sam--:

im not trying to stir controversy, i honestly dont know opinion on this....is knoppmyth accepted here, or frowned on?

[04:12:09]

kormoc:

[R], well if you ever get it handy, feel free to let me know, I'm courious

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tvtime:

hi all, what drivers should I use if I have both a pcHDTV 3000 and a WinTV Stereo (non-pvr) capture cards? I don't think the WinTV will work with the new dvb stuff will it?

[04:12:16]

[R]:

ok

[04:12:18]

kormoc:

_Sam--, it's considered nice for people that just want it working

[04:12:22]

WattoDaToydarian:

Smirnov I've never installed a PVR card in ubuntu so i dunno

[04:12:43]

[R]:

its really annoying

[04:12:50]

kormoc:

[R], I'd bet, aye

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[R]:

because at 1280x720, it overscans alot around the edge

[04:13:00]

[R]:

so i have to adjust the theme to compensate

[04:13:14]

[R]:

but then we use the same theme on another tv native 1280x720, so its got huge border around it

[04:13:15]

tvtime:

[R] Toshiba TV? I have same problem

[04:13:16]

[R]:

(im lazy)

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[R]:

tvtime: phillips

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Inssomniak:

whats the manual state that the TV can handle for input resolutions?

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[R]:

and to top it off

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[R]:

i actually called phillips

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tvtime:

hum, I get about a 10–15 pixel overscan

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[R]:

Inssomniak: it lists 1366x768

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[R]:

and the guy tried to convince me i dont know what i'm talking about with EDID

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WattoDaToydarian:

Ok guys, Smirnov, I'm done here, see ya

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tvtime:

so what drivers should I use for a WinTV Stereo card? The non pvr models? If I enable V4L2 in the kernel then V4L (1) goes away and I can't select bttv

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[R]:

my roommate has a 27" and i hooked it up to my crappy matrox g450 and his tv has the correct edid and it worked at 1360x720

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Inssomniak:

its probably a retarted TV

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[R]:

it is

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[R]:

but its pretty sweet otherwise

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tvtime:

[R] 2.6.19 + gentoo patches

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[R]:

tvtime: there is no v4l2 option that makes v4l1 go away in 2.6.19

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Inssomniak:

my NEC projector puts out exactly "NULL" for an EDID

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tvtime:

[R] when I select it in make menuconfig, it removes my option for V4L1 (grey)

[04:17:41]

[R]:

when you select what?

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Inssomniak:

and a matrox g450 is a very respectible video card :)

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[R]:

lol

[04:18:01]

Inssomniak:

I got that card to do wonderful things

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[R]:

i got it because its dual head and it was like $20

[04:18:18]

tvtime:

the compat layer

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[R]:

tvtime: your selecting compat layer and something is disapering?

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[R]:

i gotta go

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tvtime:

yes

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[R]:

but i'll be back in like 30 minutes

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[R]:

tvtime: for the bttv to show up, you need i2c

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[R]:

do you have?

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[R]:

but alas... i'll be back

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tvtime:

yes

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tvtime:

so do I need the V4L1 API enabled?

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tvtime:

because when I have it check, compat layer for API gets disabled and BT848 drivers are removed from memus

[04:23:08]

tvtime:

but the docs say I need the DVB stuff for my pcHDTV card.

[04:27:47]

Smirnov:

woohoo, i got ivtv to work

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tvtime:

hum, all lspci lists is a Brooktree BT878 rev 11 card

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tvtime:

I don't see a driver for that using the new v4l2 stuff

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Smirnov:

so you have to run mythtv as the mythtv user?

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Agrajag-:

Smirnov: no

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Smirnov:

is that just for the setup then

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Agrajag-:

you can run any of it as any user you like. i don't have a mythtv user on my system

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tank-man:

for those with a nintendo ds, someone is making a homebrew app that will be a remote controler to a frontend

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[R]:

tvtime: the bttv driver is v41

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[R]:

v4l1

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Smirnov:

I got a bunch of errors while running mythfilldatabase, whats uup with that

[04:43:51]

Smirnov:

you have an error in your mysql syntax?

[04:44:20]

Smirnov:

am i not supposed to use mysql 5.0/

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[R]:

what version of myth are you using?

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Smirnov:

0.18

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kormoc:

Smirnov, myth 0.20+ is mysql 5 safe

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kormoc:

Smirnov, 0.18 is so very very old

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Smirnov:

great... but i installed it from ubuntu

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Smirnov:

just apt-getted everything and didnt have to do any work

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kormoc:

Smirnov, yes, but ubuntu refuses to update it

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Smirnov:

why

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kormoc:

Smirnov, donno, ask them

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Smirnov:

ok i will do mythtv 0.20 then

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Aurelius:

svn!

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Smirnov:

argh, so many svn packages :-|

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Smirnov:

s/svn/apt

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Smirnov:

ah crap... unmet build dependencies: libiec61883 ?!

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Smirnov:

holy crap thats a lot of dependencies mythtv has

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qfour20:

I seem to have a model id of cable box that the 6200ch.c is not aware of. Anybody here looked at that piece of code?

[05:09:34]

Smirnov:

wonder why ubuntu wont offer later than 0.18 mythtv, i found the source for 0.20 deb package.. building it now

[05:10:27]

Smirnov:

how long is compiling supposed to take? should i be going to take a break?

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kormoc:

Smirnov, takes awhile

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cesman:

there is no answer to that question

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Aurelius:

is it possible to pass arguments as variables to filters? something like user jobs take?

[05:11:23]

cesman:

how faster is your processor? are you using distcc?

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onewheelskyward:

Smirnov: It takes 20 minutes minimum on my Athlon 4800 X2.

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cesman:

in other words...

[05:11:36]

cesman:

take a break

[05:11:40]

Smirnov:

3500+ 64 bit amd

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Smirnov:

ok good.. i need to go get ready for sleep anyway

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qfour20:

neat... adding in my model_id worked

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Malibyte:

noob alert...trying to set up lirc, getting this:

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Malibyte:

[root@vader: ~]$ /etc/init.d/lircd start

[05:12:19]

Malibyte:

FATAL: Module UNCONFIGURED not found.

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Malibyte:

Starting Linux Infrared Remote Control daemon:Driver `UNCONFIGURED' not supported.

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kormoc:

Smirnov, took my 2.13 ghz celeron 1 hour, 5 minutes, 42 seconds

[05:12:38]

Aurelius:

heh

[05:12:41]

spiderworm:

hi all, the clock on my computer seems to be about a minute off... it starts taping about a minute too soon, and stops taping about a minute too soon... i keep missing the last 60 seconds of my shows. in gnome, i updated the clock, but when i reboot, the clock goes back to its old, wrong ways... anyone know how to fix this permanently?

[05:12:54]

Malibyte:

i have an /etc/lircd.conf and a ~/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc file.

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Aurelius:

spiderworm: ntpd

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kormoc:

spiderworm, likly disable ntp

[05:13:15]

Aurelius:

or configure your stuff to start record 1 minute early

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Aurelius:

and end 1 minute early

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kormoc:

Malibyte, sounds like you need to configure something

[05:13:45]

Aurelius:

UNCONFIGURED!

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Malibyte:

uhhh....yeah. Clue please?

[05:14:00]

** Aurelius gets the cluebat out **

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kormoc:

Malibyte, it's distro specific

[05:14:10]

kormoc:

Malibyte, and given you never mentioned yours

[05:14:14]

Malibyte:

Mandriva 2006 x86_64

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Aurelius:

bzzt

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Aurelius:

too late

[05:14:43]

kormoc:

Malibyte, welp, you're gonna need to wait till someone in here knows about mandriva, it's a rareish sight in here

[05:15:02]

Malibyte:

hmmm...

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Malibyte:

got almost everything else myth-wise working under it...lirc is almost the last step.

[05:18:37]

onewheelskyward:

Has anyone set up an IR blaster-type device to control an external cable box? What product would you recommend?

[05:18:59]

kormoc:

onewheelskyward, I like the mce usb remote and irblaster combo personally

[05:19:16]

Smirnov:

Is mythtv able to record HDTV (in U.S.) with HD cable?

[05:19:24]

kormoc:

Smirnov, depends

[05:19:52]

Smirnov:

on what

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onewheelskyward:

Hmm...can the blaster be purchased separately? I already have a remote with my PVR-350.

[05:20:07]

kormoc:

onewheelskyward, alas, it's a combo

[05:20:21]

Smirnov:

ls

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kormoc:

Smirnov, well, you can capture via firewire or via a HD card, but both have limitations

[05:20:40]

Aurelius:

hm. i don't see anything, but is there a way to pass a variable such as %STARTTIME%

[05:20:42]

Aurelius:

erm

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Aurelius:

hm. i don't see anything, but is there a way to pass a variable such as %STARTTIME% to a filter?

[05:21:48]

Smirnov:

kormoc: such as?

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kormoc:

Smirnov, well, with firewire, you can only capture non 5c channels

[05:22:18]

Smirnov:

5c?

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kormoc:

Smirnov, hd cards are limited to FTA msotly

[05:22:22]

Smirnov:

fta/

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Aurelius:

free to air

[05:22:32]

kormoc:

Smirnov, 5c is a form of encryption

[05:22:37]

Smirnov:

blah

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Aurelius:

5c is the company that came up with encryption

[05:22:42]

Smirnov:

can i get commmercial hd or not

[05:22:49]

Smirnov:

i mean, im paying for the damn cable already (comcast)

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kormoc:

Smirnov, depends...

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kormoc:

Smirnov, then yes

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kormoc:

Smirnov, request a box that has firewire and use that to capture the video

[05:23:04]

Smirnov:

then yes huh

[05:23:13]

Smirnov:

its as simple as that?

[05:23:16]

kormoc:

yes

[05:23:18]

Smirnov:

wow

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kormoc:

Smirnov, wiki.mythtv.org read the entry on firewire

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Malibyte:

Smirnov, most of the digital cable companies give you the OTA channels in the clear over their digi cable.

[05:23:36]

Smirnov:

OTA?

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kormoc:

Over The Air

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Smirnov:

but i want the HD chans like Starz HD or On demand HD

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kormoc:

Smirnov, firewire

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kormoc:

Smirnov, that's your only hope

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Smirnov:

ok

[05:24:19]

Malibyte:

I get CBS, ABC, Fox, and NBC HD over cable (and firewire) here in L.A.

[05:24:24]

Smirnov:

i got a motorola box

[05:24:35]

Malibyte:

ask for a dct-6200

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kormoc:

Smirnov, it might already work then, just read the firewire entry on wiki.mythtv.org

[05:25:03]

Smirnov:

ok

[05:25:08]

Smirnov:

well, its my dads cable anyway

[05:25:12]

Smirnov:

i live in college and i only have a pvr-150

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Malibyte:

Smirnov, some of the channels you get via firewire are also encrypted, just like over the raw cable.

[05:25:49]

kormoc:

Malibyte, can be, it all depends on which franchise you are in

[05:25:59]

Smirnov:

can i flash the device so it decrypts everything?

[05:26:11]

kormoc:

Smirnov, no, and that's illegal and not to be discussed in this channel

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Smirnov:

o

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kormoc:

Malibyte, here in the king county franchise only one channel is encrypted, and that is vh1, the rest are fine

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Malibyte:

kormoc, true. but most of them in the US are encrypting anything other than basic OTA HD.

[05:27:06]

Malibyte:

I get a lot of the SD channels rebroadcast in the clear over digital, though.

[05:27:48]

Malibyte:

kormoc, wow, that's pretty amazing; I'd say at least half of mine are encrypted. Wish I had your cableco.

[05:27:58]

kormoc:

Malibyte, it's just comcast

[05:28:07]

rexer:

is there anybody here running gentoo-hardend and sucsessfully installed mythtv?>

[05:28:20]

Malibyte:

i have time-warner, they're the only game in town here

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Smirnov:

kormoc: you have comcast and most of your channels are decrpyted?

[05:29:08]

kormoc:

Smirnov, I personally don't, but xris does, and yes, all but one are firewire accessable

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[R]:

lucky

[05:29:34]

kormoc:

I have dish, it's cheaper and has most of what I want

[05:29:46]

Smirnov:

cool

[05:30:13]

Smirnov:

is there a special thing to get mythtv plugins, i downloaded the debian package source for mythtv 0.20 but when i built it didnt have any plugins?

[05:30:22]

Malibyte:

kormoc, problem with dish is you can't get HD in HD resolution.

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[R]:

Smirnov: the plugins are a separet package

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Aurelius:

HD is overrated.

[05:30:35]

Malibyte:

i don't seem to have a /dev/lircd file. hmmmm.

[05:30:44]

Smirnov:

[R]: oh where do i get them

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kormoc:

Malibyte, true, but I don't subscibe to any HD channels nor have a hd tv :P

[05:30:55]

[R]:

Smirnov: i dunno what the package is called ofr debian

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kormoc:

Aurelius, it is rather nice...

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[R]:

mythtv-plugins myabe

[05:31:06]

Aurelius:

but it's still rather overrated :P

[05:31:14]

Smirnov:

[R]: ah crap theres a LOT of myth plugins

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[R]:

Smirnov: theres like 10 or so

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Aurelius:

rexer: firewall?

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Smirnov:

[R]: ok i really really hope mythplugins has all of them

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[R]:

Smirnov: just pick the ones you want

[05:31:40]

rexer:

backend running localy

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kormoc:

rexer, you running a SE enabled kernel?

[05:31:41]

Malibyte:

kormoc, once you've done it, you won't go back

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[R]:

you dont need them all anwyay

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Smirnov:

[R]: im just not in the mood to do the whole untar, gunzip, patch, build ...

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[R]:

Smirnov: if your doing it manually... there is one tarball that can install them boht

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rexer:

Aurelius: kormoc: running

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Smirnov:

[R]: well i already built and installed mythtv

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[R]:

them all*

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[R]:

Smirnov: yes, and the plugins package is a differnt one

[05:32:38]

Smirnov:

[R]: so now i am gonna do mythplugins i guess?

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[R]:

if you watn the plugins

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kormoc:

rexer, you'll need to write a policy to allow the frontend to connect to the backend and the backend to accept connections

[05:32:54]

Smirnov:

[R]: sucks that the repo just didnt have 0.20

[05:33:02]

[R]:

i'm sure its somewhere

[05:33:05]

Smirnov:

so what do people write mythtv plugins in anyway...C?

[05:33:11]

kormoc:

Smirnov, c++

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tvtime:

ok, got one card working, other one shows up but doesn't work....

[05:33:38]

rexer:

kormoc: where should i be poking around... /etc/services....

[05:33:51]

Smirnov:

is the mythtv ui just custom QT widgets?

[05:33:56]

kormoc:

rexer, not entirely sure, never really poked at it, I just know it's a required step

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tvtime:

also, my sound card only seems to output digital audio (SPDIF) when it's PCM or AC3 Passthrough, line it doesn't go out digital jack. Any ideas around this?

[05:34:37]

rexer:

or do i need to start over... (eg microsoft answer?)

[05:34:47]

Aurelius:

rexer: maybe lookup how to set SE policies

[05:35:49]

rexer:

Aurelius: kernel config?

[05:35:51]

Smirnov:

no wonder mythtv isnt more popular, its really hard to set it up

[05:36:01]

Aurelius:

Smirnov: was easy for me

[05:36:15]

kormoc:

Smirnov, it's actually quite popular

[05:36:17]

Smirnov:

why is that? there are just a LOT of things that need to be installed

[05:36:27]

Aurelius:

emerge mythtv

[05:36:28]

kormoc:

Smirnov, you picked a bad distro

[05:36:34]

Aurelius:

*yawn*

[05:36:37]

Smirnov:

ok fine.

[05:36:39]

rexer:

Aurelius: what stage install?

[05:36:48]

Aurelius:

rexer: 3

[05:36:53]

rexer:

figures

[05:36:55]

Aurelius:

i used to do stage1 installs

[05:36:56]

kormoc:

rexer, I use a stage 3 standard on my mythbox

[05:37:03]

Aurelius:

but this was for work

[05:37:12]

tvtime:

also, my sound card only seems to output digital audio (SPDIF) when it's PCM or AC3 Passthrough, line it doesn't go out digital jack. Any ideas around this?

[05:37:14]

Aurelius:

so i couldn't exactly have it take 2 days to install

[05:37:15]

Aurelius:

heh

[05:37:24]

kormoc:

Smirnov, http://mythtv.org/modules.php?name=Downloads& . . . ad&cid=1

[05:37:35]

Como[]Lappy:

told you all i'd be back ;)

[05:37:44]

Como[]Lappy:

took a little longer than expected

[05:37:44]

Aurelius:

awww, darnit

[05:37:48]

kormoc:

Smirnov, mythtv 0.20 was downloaded 142,602 times, that's just the tarball, not counting all the distro packages (like your ubuntu or gentoo or what not)

[05:37:54]

kormoc:

Smirnov, also doesn't count any svn downloads

[05:37:59]

kormoc:

Smirnov, that's rather popular

[05:38:05]

Aurelius:

kormoc: that's just me with wget :(

[05:38:07]

Aurelius:

sworry

[05:38:11]

kormoc:

heh

[05:38:45]

rexer:

Aurelius: so... all 8 months of on an off getting this box running mythtv was a waste?

[05:38:54]

Aurelius:

rexer: no

[05:39:00]

Smirnov:

kormoc: i guess so

[05:39:06]

Aurelius:

find out more about your hardened setup

[05:39:12]

Aurelius:

that's most likely what's blocking things

[05:39:17]

Smirnov:

so..do you have to recompile ivtv for a new kernel every time (ubuntu) or what?

[05:39:25]

kormoc:

Smirnov, yes

[05:39:35]

Smirnov:

well..that sucks

[05:39:45]

Smirnov:

are there any distros where that does not suck?

[05:39:49]

kormoc:

Smirnov, again, you picked a bad distro :P

[05:39:53]

[R]:

Smirnov: gentoo is the bets

[05:39:55]

[R]:

best*

[05:39:55]

kormoc:

Smirnov, fedora is a very common choice

[05:40:06]

kormoc:

Smirnov, knoppmyth is out of the box simple

[05:40:16]

kormoc:

Smirnov, mythdora is out of the box simple fedora base

[05:40:17]

Smirnov:

i used fedora before but i wanted to try a debian flavored distro

[05:40:44]

kormoc:

[R], gentoo isn't really for someone who doesn't want to compile kernel modules on kernel upgrades :P

[05:40:48]

Smirnov:

much much less packages... but that should be expected

[05:40:59]

[R]:

kormoc: yes... recompiling a few modules is sooo difficult

[05:41:05]

Smirnov:

maybe i'll try gentoo later, im taking a kernel coding class this semester

[05:41:30]

Smirnov:

how long does mythplugins take to compile btw, should i just go get coffee again

[05:41:50]

[R]:

it depends on whats being compiled

[05:41:50]

kormoc:

[R], no one said it's hard, just a pain if your not the type of person that enjoys that much control

[05:42:00]

[R]:

kormoc: there is a command that'll recompile all the modules

[05:42:05]

Smirnov:

[R]: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multive . . . .orig.tar.gz

[05:42:18]

[R]:

Smirnov: whats that for?

[05:42:24]

kormoc:

[R], sure, but really, we don't need more gentoo users who don't really want to do it...

[05:42:24]

Smirnov:

[R]: thats what im compiling

[05:42:28]

[R]:

ok..?

[05:42:35]

Aurelius:

i bbl, firing up NX and working on my timestamp overlay filter

[05:42:39]

[R]:

it dpends on what parts of mythplugins are being compiled

[05:42:42]

[R]:

is that better?

[05:42:47]

kormoc:

Smirnov, it's gonna take a little, not as long as myth did, but awhile

[05:42:47]

Smirnov:

ok

[05:42:52]

kormoc:

[R], he's compiling them all likely

[05:42:53]

Smirnov:

[R]: i just did the default

[05:42:59]

Smirnov:

whatever that is.. probably all

[05:43:01]

[R]:

kormoc: if you dont have kde... it doesnt compile mythweb

[05:43:07]

[R]:

kormoc: if your missing lfac, it doesnt compile mythmusic

[05:43:20]

Smirnov:

mythweb?

[05:43:22]

Smirnov:

is that the web front end?

[05:43:27]

[R]:

i meanted mythbrowser

[05:43:33]

kormoc:

[R], and if he ran a apt-get builddep he's gonna build them all

[05:43:42]

kormoc:

Smirnov, yes, mythweb is the web interface

[05:43:44]

Smirnov:

apt-get builddep ?

[05:43:48]

Smirnov:

what is this magick

[05:43:57]

kormoc:

Smirnov, it downloads all the build time requirements for packages

[05:43:58]

Smirnov:

do you run this in the same folder as dpkg-buildpackage ?

[05:44:13]

[R]:

all this evil debian voodoo is so stupid

[05:44:15]

kormoc:

Smirnov, apt-get package builddep I believe

[05:44:35]

kormoc:

[R], now now, be civil

[05:44:47]

[R]:

it is tho

[05:44:52]

[R]:

i've tried to use debian on like 50 diffent ocations

[05:44:56]

Smirnov:

browser, controls, flix, dvd, gallery, game , music, news, phone, video, weather, archive

[05:44:58]

Smirnov:

those are the ones i built

[05:45:04]

Aurelius:

heh, the machine i have for my wkstn was a debian box

[05:45:07]

Aurelius:

i hated it

[05:45:09]

Aurelius:

dpkg sucked

[05:45:14]

kormoc:

[R], so it's not right for you, that doesn't mean it's not good for others

[05:45:15]

Aurelius:

so i wiped and installed gentoo

[05:45:29]

[R]:

Aurelius: see, you know where its at

[05:46:26]

Smirnov:

i like apt

[05:46:35]

Smirnov:

as for dpkg i only know very little abuot it :(

[05:46:46]

Smirnov:

but i know i didnt like yum very much

[05:46:53]

Como[]Lappy:

i never liked the automated package managers

[05:47:00]

Como[]Lappy:

always wound up with too much crap installed

[05:47:05]

Smirnov:

woohoo i installed all the mythplugins

[05:47:34]

Smirnov:

Como[]Lappy: youre probably right, but im not that l33t ;(

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Como[]Lappy:

im not iether, i just learned everything i know in slackware CLI

[05:49:02]

Como[]Lappy:

which as far as i know has nothing that'll go out and download a package

[05:50:22]

Malibyte:

Aurelius, I figured out how to get lircd configured. Which driver would you use for a Harmony 550 or a PVR 350 remote?

[05:50:32]

Aurelius:

no idea

[05:50:39]

Aurelius:

i don't use myth as a dvr in the traditional sense

[05:50:53]

Malibyte:

Aurelius, you're a whole of help tonight. :-P

[05:50:59]

Aurelius:

i try my best :)

[05:51:13]

Aurelius:

i use it to merely record shows on a single channel for archival :)

[05:51:17]

Malibyte:

well, you get an A for effort

[05:51:56]

Aurelius:

i might start capturing for personal entertainment soon if i can move cards around in the machine

[05:51:59]

Smirnov:

if you go to watch tv and you get a black screen.. is that bad

[05:52:19]

Aurelius:

Smirnov: if i tune to my station and get black, that means i need to head to work :P

[05:52:24]

Aurelius:

so i'd say that's bad hehe

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onewheelskyward:

Aurelius: Nice...it's like Servers Alive for your TV station. :)

[05:52:41]

Smirnov:

ah crap, is therre a log or something

[05:53:03]

Aurelius:

onewheelskyward: nah, we use something else for that

[05:53:13]

Aurelius:

this is for following up on discrepencies

[05:53:19]

Aurelius:

discrepancies?

[05:53:22]

onewheelskyward:

Receivers out in the field?

[05:53:26]

Aurelius:

no

[05:53:34]

onewheelskyward:

The latter spelling is correct, I believe.

[05:53:43]

Aurelius:

like, there was static on audio at 03:35 last night or something

[05:53:45]

Aurelius:

we can pull up archives

[05:53:49]

Aurelius:

and say "hrm, nope, no static"

[05:53:51]

onewheelskyward:

Oh, gothcya!

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Smirnov:

whats with the "Card 1 is set to start on channel 3, which does not exist. Do you want to fix this problem?"

[05:54:06]

Aurelius:

plus then we have a video rcord of when spots went on the air :)

[05:54:22]

onewheelskyward:

In case your advertisers complain. Makes sense.

[05:54:30]

Aurelius:

onewheelskyward: :)

[05:54:43]

Aurelius:

the only thing i haven't gotten quite yet through myth

[05:54:46]

Aurelius:

a timestamp overlay

[05:54:57]

Aurelius:

so we can burn off to dvd and have an authoritative timestamp on the video itself

[05:55:19]

onewheelskyward:

Hmm...I guess you could have 1 24 hour recording per day, but that would be a bitch to seek. The play time would match the clock. :)

[05:55:26]

Aurelius:

hehe

[05:55:28]

Aurelius:

yeah

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degreseven:

is it possible to control the power on my tv with the hauppauge pvr 150's ir blaster?

[05:55:41]

Aurelius:

i already have it broken up by program

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onewheelskyward:

Not likely, degreseven.

[05:55:59]

onewheelskyward:

You could 'learn' the PVR remote's functions on a learning remote, though.

[05:56:14]

Aurelius:

that way also, during the high cost spots, we can record higher quality

[05:56:19]

degreseven:

im too poor for that

[05:56:20]

onewheelskyward:

oh wait, did you say IR blaster? That should be possible.

[05:56:30]

degreseven:

it just bothers me keeping my tv remote around for a single button

[05:56:35]

Aurelius:

since those advertisers pay a few times more than during the cheap stuff hehehehe

[05:56:50]

onewheelskyward:

Wow, that's cool Aurelius. You must burn through disk space like mad.

[05:56:56]

Aurelius:

not really

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degreseven:

i was just looking online, and i was only able to find info about controlling a cable/ satelite box, not other devices.

[05:57:03]

Aurelius:

in fact, the burn rate is really low

[05:57:11]

Aurelius:

i have auto transcoding going

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onewheelskyward:

You cah control anything that handles IR with a blaster — you just need the proper code.

[05:57:30]

onewheelskyward:

Ah transcoding — the one part of Myth that still eludes me.

[05:57:35]

Aurelius:

it's being compressed to xvid, with a 365kb bitrate

[05:57:40]

degreseven:

any idea how i might go about finding that code?

[05:57:48]

Smirnov:

where should i start looking if "watch tv" gives me a black screen

[05:57:49]

Aurelius:

i have about 3 days on there taking about 18gigs

[05:57:59]

onewheelskyward:

Have you looked into the lirc project? They have a large database of remotes and codes.

[05:58:29]

onewheelskyward:

I was just looking for an IR 'sensor' that would tell me what code was being sent from a remote. I haven't found one yet.

[05:59:03]

Aurelius:

now if only i could send variables to the filter

[05:59:12]

Aurelius:

well, i guess

[05:59:21]

Aurelius:

i don't know how many terabytes exactly we have in various places

[05:59:22]

Aurelius:

heh

[05:59:22]

onewheelskyward:

That's nearly 2TB per year.

[05:59:33]

Aurelius:

we only need about 3 months archive for this

[05:59:39]

onewheelskyward:

aah ok.

[05:59:42]

degreseven:

no i didnt, i thought lirc was a project for receiving remote signals for your pc, not transmitting them

[05:59:46]

Aurelius:

but um, yeah heh

[05:59:51]

Aurelius:

tons of space at the office

[05:59:58]

Aurelius:

the production team has 7 alone

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onewheelskyward:

7TB?

[06:00:11]

Aurelius:

yes

[06:00:22]

Aurelius:

i think our video servers have more than that

[06:00:29]

onewheelskyward:

Not bad...the biggest array I've ever put together was 1.2.

[06:00:43]

Aurelius:

considering the video servers are all clustered

[06:01:00]

onewheelskyward:

degre: lirc goes both ways. I'm looking now to see if I can find anything related to what you want to do.

[06:02:04]

onewheelskyward:

Hmm, the remote database seems to be offline.

[06:02:10]

Aurelius:

heh

[06:02:14]

Aurelius:

innit typical

[06:02:18]

Aurelius:

MAC10!

[06:02:19]

degreseven:

actually, i see a command on lirc's website "irrecord" for recording ir signals

[06:02:27]

Aurelius:

WEST SYDE!

[06:02:30]

onewheelskyward:

Theoretically, if you can find the code that your TV remote is sending to the TV, you can make your blaster send it.

[06:02:34]

onewheelskyward:

Oh there you go.

[06:02:35]

degreseven:

they also have an "irtransmit", i wonder if i can just record whatever code i need

[06:02:40]

onewheelskyward:

O

[06:02:43]

onewheelskyward:

I'll bet you can.

[06:02:45]

Smirnov:

ok ... i can use mplayer with /dev/video0 directly, but "watch TV" gives me a black screen?

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onewheelskyward:

If you get it working let me know. That would come in handy. :)

[06:03:46]

degreseven:

sure.... too bad i will have to work on my 640x480 tv screen =/

[06:04:01]

Aurelius:

Smirnov: what card?

[06:04:02]

onewheelskyward:

I did that for a while. It's not so bad. :)

[06:04:07]

degreseven:

either that or get wireless working on my gentoo laptop so i can ssh from the livingroom =P

[06:04:07]

Smirnov:

Aurelius: PVR-150

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onewheelskyward:

Now you're cooking.

[06:04:18]

Smirnov:

and why is it always trying to set the damn channel to 3??

[06:04:27]

onewheelskyward:

ipw3945 wireless?

[06:04:28]

Smirnov:

i have a cable input, no external tuners

[06:04:37]

Aurelius:

Smirnov: that's the default in the input probably

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onewheelskyward:

Aurelius: Are you listening to Biggie?

[06:05:20]

onewheelskyward:

No wait...must be Tupac.

[06:08:05]

Smirnov:

is there a mythtv conf file somwerhe

[06:10:11]

Aurelius:

onewheelskyward: nah.. south park :)

[06:10:15]

Aurelius:

bubblegoose

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degreseven:

hm, doesnt seem to pick anything up from my tv remote...only works for my hauppauge remote =/

[06:14:57]

onewheelskyward:

Is it plugged directly into your PVR?

[06:15:06]

onewheelskyward:

If so, I wonder if it only recognizes it's own codes.

[06:16:03]

kormoc:

degreseven, onewheelskyward, different ir sensors can only pick up certain bandwidths, so it's quite possalbe it's just not able to read that remote

[06:16:34]

Aurelius:

"see" is more apropos methinks

[06:16:44]

onewheelskyward:

That makes sense.

[06:17:01]

kormoc:

Aurelius, meh, read... see... same basic concept :P

[06:17:13]

** Aurelius shines a green laser in kormoc's eyes **

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** kormoc reads it **

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Aurelius:

now you can neither see nor read

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Aurelius:

:(

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kormoc:

heh

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Aurelius:

i'd love to add this filter as an option on the transcoder

[06:18:22]

Aurelius:

or at least playback

[06:18:31]

Aurelius:

so it generates accurate timestamps on the fly :(

[06:18:43]

Aurelius:

but i have to pass it the %starttime% value somehow

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Aurelius:

or even the time_t value of same in a struct somewhere

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onewheelskyward:

Aurelius, wouldn't it already have the start time based on the scheduler?

[06:19:28]

onewheelskyward:

oh you're talking about the transcoder, nm.

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kormoc:

onewheelskyward, you could build it yourself

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Aurelius:

onewheelskyward: i'm talking about passing a var to the filter

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Aurelius:

aside from just "filter=1:3" etc

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Aurelius:

i mean like "filter=%starttime%"

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onewheelskyward:

kormoc: How would I go about that? Any howtos available?

[06:20:52]

kormoc:

onewheelskyward, there are plans on lirc's website, lirc.org

[06:20:54]

onewheelskyward:

I understand the DB9 construction, but the conversion to IR escapes me.

[06:21:21]

onewheelskyward:

aah bingo, thanks.

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Smirnov:

argh

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Smirnov:

RingBuf error? geez

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Aurelius:

Bang & Olufsen uses 455kHz for their remotes so you will need a matching receiver.

[06:23:08]

Aurelius:

WHO WAS THE IDIOT WHO CHOSE THAT FREQUENCY

[06:23:22]

kormoc:

Aurelius, well, it was Bang or Olufsen

[06:23:29]

Aurelius:

i mean who individually

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Aurelius:

they need to be flogged

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degreseven:

yeah, it seems to be only picking up the hauppauge remote =( too bad

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JoeyJoeJo:

I've backed up my myth DB to one large .sql file. Can I restore just the most needed tables from that file back into my new empty DB?

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Dagmar:

If you're handy with a text editor, sure.

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Dagmar:

Otherwise I suggest you dump the tables you intend to restore individually, as individual files.

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JoeyJoeJo:

ok.. which ones are really needed? I pretty much just need my current recordings, previous recordings, and recording schedules

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kormoc:

JoeyJoeJo, recorded, record, oldrecorded

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JoeyJoeJo:

ok.. other than that would anyone recommend any other tables to back up?

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kormoc:

JoeyJoeJo, might as well back them all up and only restore the ones you want/need

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kormoc:

that way if you need one after the wipe, you still have it

[06:57:07]

JoeyJoeJo:

yeah, I figured, I just wasn't sure if any others were crucial

[06:57:29]

adante:

"Jarod Wilson, the original developer and current maintainer of MythTV, has an article on ExtremeTech (cache) about his book Hacking MythTV (cache). In this article, he reviews the 'Top Plugins for MythTV' ..."

[06:57:36]

adante:

that is.. a little wrong right?

[06:58:08]

kormoc:

adante, aye, just a bit

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kormoc:

adante, where was that from?

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adante:

http://pvrhw.goldfish.org/tiki-view_articles.php

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kormoc:

someone should contact him about it

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rtsai1111:

can anyone give me the programid values for the first three episodes of 24 ?

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defa:

hey guys, i use a patch before for fusion hdtv lite card on 2.6.15. Is it now included in the latest kernel?

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kormoc:

defaultro, you can check the kernel changelogs

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

i found it in the kernel. It uses bt878

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onewheelskyward:

Wow, that's quite a promotion. From Howto writer to original author. :)

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Dagmar:

Yay reporters

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Dagmar:

Always working hard to represent things accurately

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Dagmar:

Don't get mad at Jarod until you've had a chance to hear him out

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onewheelskyward:

MAd? Heck no. It's because of his howto that I got my first Myth install working.

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adante:

haha, somehow i deem it far more likely mcooper just assumed it, as opposed to jarod saying something like "hello, i invented and currently maintain mythtv development"

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onewheelskyward:

Fact checking is something that doesn't happen terribly often on the Internet.

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adante:

next up, mcooper interviews al gore, inventor of the internet

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Dagmar:

Yeah, I'm betting Jarod will probably freak when he sees he's been declared author/maintainer. Heh

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adante:

i for one welcome our new mythtv overlords

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** Dagmar puts on "Crimpin' Ain't Easy" by Base-T **

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Dagmar:

I so hate making freakin' cables

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onewheelskyward:

cat-5?

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Dagmar:

Yep.

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Dagmar:

And five cat6 I've gotta make

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onewheelskyward:

Yeah those were always a PITA.

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onewheelskyward:

I got pretty quick after I had to make several dozen of them.

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Dagmar:

Yeah, I'm fast, but it still tears the tips of my fingers up

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onewheelskyward:

Yup.

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IamEthos:

when I start watching tv, I get this output from Myth Frontend: http://pastebin.ca/321296. I am particularly concerned about the VideoOutputXv errors. Can anyone give me more information about these messages and perhaps suggest a fix?

[08:02:35]

Dagmar:

IamEthos: What type of video card do you have?

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IamEthos:

Dagmar, ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 (or possibly 9700 or 9100, depending on who you ask)

[08:03:36]

IamEthos:

lspci says 9600, my bios say 9700 and Dell's website says 9100.

[08:03:38]

Dagmar:

You need to correctly install the ATI driver then

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IamEthos:

don't know who to trust

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IamEthos:

Dagmar, I have fglrx installed.

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IamEthos:

is it not configured properly in xorg.conf then?

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Neeesat25:

Now the fix is included in the version of .20 but not in fixes

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Neeesat25:

I dont know how it is going but is it going to be included in fixes soon?

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Dagmar:

Scratch that... XvMC isn't available with fglrx according to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_HDTV

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defaultro:

hey folks, how do I force mythtv during compile to use a specific directory for lirc support?

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Dagmar:

you edit things

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defaultro:

which file?

[08:13:38]

defaultro:

the earlier version like 0.18 allows us to put --with-lirc=/usr/local/somedir

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Dagmar:

You edit whatever's making you put lirc in a non-standard location

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Dagmar:

Getting this thing to work is complex enough without screwing around with where things look for dependent code

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IamEthos:

Dagmar, are XvMC and Xv the same thing?

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Dagmar:

IamEthos: No

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IamEthos:

does Xv have anything to do with XvMC?

[08:18:23]

IamEthos:

well

[08:18:35]

IamEthos:

I mean, does Xv have anything to do with MythTV?

[08:18:36]

defaultro:

Dagmar, I mean, I would like to utilize the lib and include on the non-standard folder

[08:18:51]

Dagmar:

defaultro: It's good to want things.

[08:18:52]

defaultro:

so how do we specify it in the ocnfigure

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defaultro:

i didn't get you

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Dagmar:

It's good to want things. It shows you're not dead yet.

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IamEthos:

and that seems to imply that it's not being used...?

[08:20:53]

Dagmar:

IamEthos: Xshm is what it's referring to, which is probably "normal" since that won't have XvMC

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defaultro:

i'm looking at configure file and i see lirc there. I think i can force it

[08:25:06]

defaultro:

im recompiling lirc so that it gets installed to the standard dir

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Dibblah:

defaultro: That's probably easier :)

[08:28:13]

defaultro:

yep

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defaultro:

:)

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Dagmar:

Definitely.

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defaultro:

hmmm, now it failed

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defaultro:

when i used a non-standard, i was able to modprobe it

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defaultro:

now it's saying FATAL: Module lirc_serial not found.

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Dagmar:

You were able to modprobe _what_

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Dagmar:

Then you forgot `make install` in the lirc directory.

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Dagmar:

The place that the kernel module gets installed to is _not_ a configurable item.

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defaultro:

ok

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Dagmar:

It'll either be under /lib/modules/`uname -r` and *found* or it won't and won't be.

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defaultro:

this is what i have in lsmod

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defaultro:

ledrecv_serial 13440 0

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defaultro:

ledrecv_dev 15508 1 ledrecv_serial

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defaultro:

i do have it too in that dir

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defaultro:

it's in misc

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defaultro:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 132302 Jan 19 01:48 ledrecv_dev.ko

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defaultro:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 137940 Jan 19 01:48 ledrecv_serial.ko

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defaultro:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 131849 Jan 19 02:25 lirc_dev.ko

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defaultro:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 137699 Jan 19 02:25 lirc_serial.ko

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defaultro:

so doing a modprobe ledrecv_serial works well

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Dagmar:

So you have two versions of lirc installed why?

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defaultro:

but doing a modprobe lirc_serial, it fails

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Dagmar:

THen run depmod

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defaultro:

oh

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defaultro:

let me try

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defaultro:

forgot that

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Dagmar:

No one likes troubleshooting problems that users have caused themselves.

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defaultro:

BAN

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defaultro:

yo do man

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defaultro:

lirc_serial 13312 0

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defaultro:

lirc_dev 15380 1 lirc_serial

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defaultro:

i forgot the depmod -a

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defaultro:

thanks for saving my life

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Dagmar:

You know, if you'd just freaking follow the posted directions and make a plain vanilla install, you'd have been done sometime last week

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defaultro:

i just installed FC6 this morning

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defaultro:

:)

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defaultro:

i was able to play mythtv about 3 hours ago

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defaultro:

but i'm recompiling something right now since something is not right

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defaultro:

hd playback is not acceptable which was use to be flying

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defaultro:

i've done so many changes in xorg, vblank, sysctl, hdparm, but playback is still the same

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defaultro:

the other days, I was just jotting down notes :)

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defaultro:

i learned a lot from jumping from fc3 to 6

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defaultro:

specially one thing i did that i have not seen in google which is the directory restore where imdbdta is lost

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defaultro:

mysql :)

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defaultro:

wait, let me compile mythtv now

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stuarta:

morning all

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jduggan:

morning

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Paladine:

someone called?

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pat_:

really

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Paladine:

well I just got back to machien after about 14 hours and this tab was red, so someone called :p

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stuarta:

use the logs luke

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pat_:

/last Paladine

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pat_:

easy!

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Paladine:

I don't log, in 15 years of IRC I have never logged

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stuarta:

the bot does

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Paladine:

pat_ no such command in xchat

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pat_:

/lastlog?

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Paladine:

nope

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Paladine:

someone was trying to messageme too

[09:19:15]

Paladine:

I have about 30 "some unregistered user tried to message you blah blah" messages in my status window

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pat_:

http://pong.no/~opyrt/Terrible-F1-accident.jpg

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Paladine:

lol

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stuarta:

hah!

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Paladine:

thats cracking

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Paladine:

thats one of the best I have seen in a while

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Neeesat25:

Hello stuarta

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x86:

ok guys, i can't get my PVR-500 to load the firmware for anything

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x86:

no matter where i put it

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x86:

/usr/lib/hotplug/firmware, /lib/modules....

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x86:

nothing works

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x86:

any ideas?

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Dagmar:

Yeah, check your syslog for when the driver is loading.

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x86:

yeah it says it can't load the firmware ;)

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x86:

doesnt tell me where it's looking for it though

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Dagmar:

It says something more specific than that.

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x86:

i can pastebin if you like

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Dagmar:

Please do.

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x86:

k, hold

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x86:

http://pastebin.ca/321376

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Dagmar:

If you're using hotplug the location may not be those two. If you're using udev it should be /lib/firmware

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x86:

have it there also

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Dagmar:

Type `grep -R FIRMWARE_DIR /etc/hotplug`

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x86:

/lib/firmware

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Dagmar:

Did you *name* the files correctly?

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x86:

i got them from the ivtv howto, they were in a tarball, and i didn't change the filename

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x86:

filenameS

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x86:

it matches what's in dmesg

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Dagmar:

So they are what's on http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware#Firmware_Checksums then?

[10:46:17]

Dagmar:

\"unable to open firmware v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw (must be 262144 bytes)" seems to hint to me that you've got the wrong firmware files.

[10:46:36]

x86:

it's exactly 262144 bytes according to du -b

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x86:

http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ivtv/firmware/firmware.tar.gz

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x86:

that's exactly what i downloaded

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x86:

hmm

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x86:

my -enc doesnt match that checksum

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x86:

-dec does

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mchou:

so what's the preferred laptop video chipset to get if you occasionally run mythfrontend on it these days?

[10:50:39]

Dagmar:

Did you manage to build your kernel without firmware loading support?

[10:50:50]

Dagmar:

Something's not right with the ivtvdriver.org site at the moment

[10:50:59]

Dagmar:

I think perhaps someone had to restore an old backup of the thing or somesuch

[10:51:12]

x86:

Dagmar: i went off the gentoo wiki guide located here: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_PVR_500_Setup

[10:51:30]

Dagmar:

I'm not going through and auditing instructions on some website

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x86:

Dagmar: it had me include hotplug and firmware loading support in the kernel i just freshly compiled

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mchou:

and what's a good laptop wireless chipset that has ative linux drivers? (dont want to run ndiswrapper)

[10:51:48]

mchou:

s/ative/native

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Dagmar:

mchou: Bad news. I have yet to see one.

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x86:

Dagmar: do you have an ivtv card?

[10:52:08]

x86:

Dagmar: if so, can i just copy your firmware?

[10:52:17]

Dagmar:

x86: I have a PVR-500

[10:52:23]

x86:

Dagmar: woot, me too :)

[10:52:32]

x86:

Dagmar: can you help me out?

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mchou:

Dagmar: one that has native drivers or a decent graphics chipset :)

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Dagmar:

mchou: A decent graphics chipset is probably easier to find. There's nVidia-GO chipset and there's ATI Mobility chipsets and that's about it nowadays

[10:53:50]

Dagmar:

x86: http://pastebin.ca/321388 has all you need to know about mine

[10:54:00]

mchou:

bah, I avoid ati like the plague

[10:54:01]

x86:

Dagmar: including your firmware?

[10:54:09]

x86:

(the part i was interested in)

[10:54:30]

Dagmar:

No, I actually just filled that pastebin with random ASCII porn I had lying around.

[10:54:41]

mchou:

lol

[10:54:42]

x86:

ah, nifty :)

[10:55:08]

x86:

Dagmar: does your md5sum match the one on ivtvdriver.org?

[10:55:20]

Dagmar:

There's two versions of one of the firmware files, one of which is just padded with nulls

[10:55:32]

qu0zl:

fucks sake, i can't believe I opened that link. There was NO ascii porn :( How could you lie to us like that Dag :(

[10:55:41]

Dagmar:

...which is why you might not be getting a match, but if yours matches *mine* then it can be considered sane

[10:56:11]

Dagmar:

I dont' remember which file it was that has two valid versions, nor do I remember whether or not mine match what's on the site anymore.

[10:56:28]

x86:

both my -enc and -dec are 262144

[10:56:37]

Dagmar:

Something got screwed up somewhere then probably

[10:56:45]

x86:

can i have your firmware please?

[10:56:54]

** x86 sighs **

[10:57:11]

Dagmar:

I'm not sending files to anyone because it sets a bad precedent. Lemme find a URL on the ivtv site that will work

[10:57:17]

mchou:

lameass

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Dagmar:

I could be sending you files that contain pure evil for all you know

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x86:

Dagmar: it gives an alternative method of copying files from the windows drivers or something

[10:57:58]

x86:

should i try that?

[10:58:04]

Dagmar:

Yeah I think I spent about two hours worrying over all that stuff because what was on my driver CD didn't match the website initially

[10:58:30]

Dagmar:

Lemme eyeball http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ivtv/firmware/firmware.tar.gz real quick

[10:59:28]

x86:

if i go to the Firmware_versions on ivtvdriver.org, it shows the same md5sum for -enc that i have

[10:59:32]

Dagmar:

Yay fun

[10:59:39]

x86:

as the "recommended firmware"

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stuarta:

sounds broken

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Dagmar:

I'm noticing their -enc file doesn't match what's at the bottom of http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware which is what got me so paranoid the first time

[11:00:16]

Dagmar:

I think http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware is fubar. One moment

[11:01:25]

x86:

i could try the beta firmware from hauppauge

[11:01:38]

x86:

amity24073

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Dagmar:

Pfft. I was *just* looking at a big table of firmware md5sums on their site and now i've lost it

[11:01:43]

x86:

pre-release... hmm

[11:01:51]

Dagmar:

I'd just grabt he release version from Hauppage

[11:01:57]

x86:

Firmware_versions is what you were looking at

[11:02:01]

x86:

k

[11:02:18]

x86:

i dont need the docoder correct?

[11:02:24]

x86:

since i dont have hardware decode

[11:02:48]

Dksaarth_:

im looking for a freebsd upnp server and not having much luck

[11:02:50]

stuarta:

Dksaarth_: that's two orthogonal concepts

[11:03:01]

stuarta:

1. serve content via upnp

[11:03:06]

stuarta:

2. playback content

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stuarta:

1 has no relevance to 2

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stuarta:

internally at least

[11:04:01]

Dksaarth_:

im trying to present a wmv stream for my xbox 360 to render if that makes sense

[11:04:13]

Dksaarth_:

xbox 360 supports upnp

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stuarta:

that's 1.

[11:04:22]

Dagmar:

x86: Yeah. According to that page ftp://ftp.hauppauge.com/Support/PVR150/Beta/a . . . erelease.zip has the firmware I think I'm using

[11:04:25]

Dksaarth_:

can mythtv do it ?

[11:04:38]

stuarta:

send stuff via upnp, yes.

[11:04:44]

Dagmar:

'cept it's 404. Joy

[11:05:01]

x86:

Dagmar: yeah i was about to say i'm getting 404's on it

[11:05:07]

Dagmar:

Possibly ftp://ftp.hauppauge.com/Support/PVR150/060915 . . . 0signed).zip will have what you need. Looking now.

[11:05:16]

Dksaarth_:

i installed myth tv via the ports system, and it segfaults when i try to use mythbackend

[11:05:21]

Dksaarth_:

anyway to trouble shoot that?

[11:05:31]

Dksaarth_:

recompile with debug support and use gdb ?

[11:05:52]

stuarta:

hang on, the backend running on bsd?

[11:06:04]

Dksaarth_:

thats what id like yeah

[11:06:04]

Dagmar:

x86: Sure enough the HcwFalcn.rom in there matches my -enc file

[11:06:24]

stuarta:

Dksaarth_: hmmm, get the latest svn compile in debug mode and go from there

[11:06:40]

Dagmar:

...at least in length it does

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x86:

cool deal

[11:07:07]

stuarta:

Dksaarth_: read section 22.2 of the documentation

[11:07:19]

x86:

what about md5sum?

[11:07:25]

Dagmar:

That differs

[11:07:41]

x86:

can you just zip what you have and post it somewhere?

[11:07:42]

Dksaarth_:

yeah ta had a look at that, but im scared of gdb :P

[11:07:44]

x86:

:)

[11:08:13]

stuarta:

gdb isn't scary...

[11:09:05]

Dagmar:

You can download it form that URL just like I did

[11:09:14]

Dagmar:

Lemme try installing the newer firmware and see if it works

[11:09:28]

x86:

i'm doing that now too

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Dagmar:

Bugger. It doesn't appear to work but I'll bet it's because I did something stupid

[11:11:41]

x86:

it's bigger than what the ivtv driver is insisting it _must_ be

[11:12:25]

Dagmar:

Yep

[11:12:37]

Dagmar:

Okay screw this. One moment

[11:14:45]

Dagmar:

Okay. My module loading issues are apparently unrelated to the firmware file, so I don't think this will fix it

[11:15:38]

x86:

i thought hauppauge was the best supported brand of capture cards for linux

[11:15:40]

Dagmar:

x86: You can *try* http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw but I'm not making any promises

[11:15:52]

Dagmar:

It is. It's just the ivtv driver site is a little hosed right now

[11:16:02]

Dagmar:

I gotta reboot my myth box now. *sigh*

[11:16:11]

Dagmar:

That thing doesn't like being unloaded and modprobed again

[11:16:45]

x86:

so this firmware should work, even though it's bigger than what the ivtv driver is claiming it _must_ be?

[11:16:54]

Dagmar:

It's been working for me for a couple of months now

[11:17:26]

Dagmar:

...and I get the same dimwitted message about the length of it as well, I suspect. I'll know for sure in another minute or so when my box comes back up

[11:18:29]

x86:

k

[11:18:38]

x86:

do you use gentoo?

[11:19:21]

Dagmar:

Nope

[11:19:24]

Dagmar:

I know what I'm doing.

[11:20:02]

x86:

hehe

[11:20:18]

x86:

is there a way to specify the firmware directory when i load the ivtv module?

[11:20:34]

x86:

modprobe ivtv FIRMWARE_DIR=/lib/firmware or such?

[11:21:35]

BULLE:

x86: dont think so

[11:21:59]

x86:

weak

[11:22:03]

BULLE:

x86: i have no clue on exactly how the firmware loading happens nowadays, but i got the impression the driver lets the os take care of firmware loading

[11:22:06]

BULLE:

no not weak

[11:22:10]

Dagmar:

http://pastebin.ca/321412 <- Has what comes out of my syslog so you can maybe look for anomalies

[11:22:25]

BULLE:

its the right thing to do tm

[11:22:34]

juski:

morning!

[11:22:40]

juski:

happy Friday :)

[11:22:47]

BULLE:

happy joy joy

[11:22:52]

rsdvd:

Good morning juski!

[11:22:52]

Dagmar:

x86: Did you compile your kernel with /proc/config support?

[11:23:08]

x86:

Dagmar: config.gz support, yes

[11:23:15]

juski:

ugh. I have voicemail

[11:23:39]

BULLE:

uhoh

[11:23:44]

juski:

heh. I didn't have a message.. just a click

[11:24:16]

juski:

I hate that, but less than when people leave messages

[11:24:29]

Dagmar:

z86: Just humor me and try `zgrep FW_LOADER /proc/config.gz`

[11:24:45]

Dagmar:

You might not be loading the kernel you think you're loading. It's a guess.

[11:25:01]

Dagmar:

There's not actually that many things that can be left out of this

[11:25:30]

x86:

Dagmar: yours is loading "v4l-cx25840.fw" also

[11:25:42]

Dagmar:

Yes. It's supposed to

[11:25:59]

x86:

mine fails at that too

[11:26:12]

Dagmar:

This is why I'm questioning if you somehow left out firmware loading support

[11:26:28]

juski:

rsdvd: good news by the way

[11:26:33]

BULLE:

should be handled by hotplug/udev on modern distros, right ?

[11:26:35]

x86:

hold

[11:26:41]

juski:

someone (not me! yay!) is gonna make an s100 wiki wiki wiki

[11:27:00]

Dagmar:

Unless /lib/firmware has some really insane permissions on it (like 0000) I don't see how that can be failing otherwise

[11:27:11]

rsdvd:

Yah!

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rsdvd:

who ?

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Dagmar:

BULLE: yep.

[11:27:43]

Dagmar:

BULLE: I fired up an old machine I just got back (after five years of storage) last week and I was almost horrified at it's behaviour

[11:27:50]

BULLE:

hehe

[11:27:51]

juski:

rsdvd: some guy who mailed to complain he couldn't find my site

[11:27:59]

rsdvd:

:-)

[11:28:00]

Dagmar:

Having to manually load network card modules seems like some kind of nightmare

[11:28:06]

x86:

Dagmar: /lib/firmware is 755, and i guess i don't have config.gz support either, but i still have the source tree... i'll grep that

[11:28:16]

Dagmar:

x86: Just grep /usr/src/linux/.config

[11:28:20]

rsdvd:

I am reading the German forum now – but through Google translate it makes little sense

[11:28:38]

x86:

CONFIG_FW_LOADER=m

[11:28:44]

Dagmar:

So much for that theory

[11:28:57]

x86:

then i have a firmware_class module loaded

[11:29:00]

x86:

do i need another?

[11:29:25]

Dagmar:

Other than some i2c stuff, nothing that I'm aware of

[11:29:31]

Dagmar:

I'll pastebin my lsmod output for you. Just a sec

[11:29:43]

x86:

i'll do the same

[11:30:26]

Dagmar:

http://pastebin.ca/321417

[11:30:33]

x86:

Dagmar: by the way, the module does load, but /dev/video0 and what not are never created

[11:30:47]

Dagmar:

Well, they're not going to be created until the device functions

[11:30:58]

x86:

http://pastebin.ca/321418 <-- my lsmod

[11:31:25]

Dagmar:

That's _all_ of your modules?

[11:31:26]

rsdvd:

juski : I take it you have not built minimyth forthe S100 yet?

[11:31:46]

x86:

Dagmar: yeah, most of the other stuff (sound, network, etc) I compile in

[11:31:51]

juski:

rsdvd: nope

[11:32:00]

x86:

Dagmar: but this guide suggested all this stuff be modules, so i followed that advice

[11:32:00]

Dagmar:

x86: You realize there's not any point in including most of that stuff in the kernel unless it's needed to boot up, right?

[11:32:05]

qu0zl:

you have i2c_isa support x86 ?

[11:32:10]

qu0zl:

the pvr needs that

[11:32:19]

Dagmar:

qu0zl: Kinda hard to tell when it's not built as a module, ain't it

[11:32:20]

juski:

busy having a dirty weekend very soon too :)

[11:32:23]

x86:

Dagmar: most of what stuff?

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qu0zl:

yep, that's why i'm asking him :) he compiled the kernel

[11:32:32]

rsdvd:

juski : :-) lucky you!

[11:32:34]

qu0zl:

hopefully he'll know ;)

[11:32:37]

Dagmar:

x86: There's some I2C bus stuff you need compiled to work as well

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x86:

ah, i have those as modules

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rsdvd:

juski : is there anything I can do to help (with minimyth – not the dirty weekend)

[11:33:01]

Dagmar:

They ain't loadin' then according to your lsmod

[11:33:07]

Dagmar:

What kernel are you using?

[11:33:23]

juski:

rsdvd: I dunno it might even be a dead duck

[11:33:26]

Dagmar:

You should be seeing stuff like Jan 19 04:37:16 nemesis kernel: [ 1557.628425] ivtv0: i2c attach to card #0 ok [client=wm8775, addr=1b] in your syslog

[11:33:40]

Dagmar:

Which you are.

[11:33:58]

rsdvd:

juski : I think minimyth look slike the best distro to use......small / myth-centric etc?

[11:34:15]

juski:

rsdvd: might just be better for me to go back to slack & make a worky image – then who cares if it's 1GB

[11:34:25]

x86:

Dagmar: yes, i am

[11:34:37]

Dagmar:

By the way

[11:34:43]

Dagmar:

Ya'll use a fucked up version of syslog

[11:34:45]

rsdvd:

ok! is that slack or zenslack?

[11:35:02]

x86:

Dagmar: i dont ;)

[11:35:08]

x86:

Dagmar: i uses sysklogd

[11:35:20]

x86:

Dagmar: which is the old-fashioned syslogd / klogd

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x86:

Dagmar: i _hate_ syslog-ng ;)

[11:35:27]

Dagmar:

x86: You've got hires timestamps in your syslog man

[11:35:36]

x86:

Dagmar: that's verbose printk's ;)

[11:35:41]

Dagmar:

Ah okay

[11:35:45]

x86:

kernel option

[11:36:24]

x86:

so it doesnt look like i'm missing anything

[11:36:30]

Dagmar:

I'm noticing pretty serious differences in our syslog output

[11:36:32]

x86:

while comparing with your lsmod output

[11:36:47]

x86:

yeah, your driver is 0.7.something

[11:36:51]

x86:

mine is 0.4.something

[11:36:55]

Dagmar:

Holy crap

[11:36:58]

adante:

do recording profiles do anything for dvb?

[11:36:59]

Dagmar:

What kernel are you using?

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x86:

(they have a different branch for every supported kernel)

[11:37:13]

x86:

2.6.15

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rsdvd:

juski : did you try zipslack – it is only 100mb

[11:37:14]

juski:

rsdvd: not saying I'm giving up AGAIN but some things are beyond my patience threshold

[11:37:16]

stuarta:

adante: not that i know of

[11:37:31]

quicksilver:

anyone got any wisdom to share about initrd + module load order + sata?

[11:37:41]

juski:

rsdvd: 100mb + dev headers & libs, plus bloat... == 600MB :)

[11:37:44]

x86:

Dagmar: 0.9.something is available, but it wont compile against my kernel tree

[11:37:46]

Dagmar:

x86: Hmm... frankly I'd go ahead and move up to 2.6.17.13 and 0.7.3

[11:37:48]

stuarta:

quicksilver: all sorts, what's the question

[11:37:53]

quicksilver:

built v4l-dvb from source (new tuner card), rebuild initrd with new modules === new initrd doesn't boot

[11:38:04]

rsdvd:

juski : still a good place to start

[11:38:08]

quicksilver:

on investigation, this is because the SATA drives come up in a different order

[11:38:12]

x86:

Dagmar: i was trying 2.6.19 and 0.9.something and it was doing the same thing

[11:38:15]

Dagmar:

x86: I've been eschewing newer kernels until all the flux of what's being migrated into the kernel dies down

[11:38:19]

juski:

adante: you can change which streams get recorded (ish) but not bitrate or framesize

[11:38:19]

x86:

err, 2.6.18 rather

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stuarta:

quicksilver: that's a bit rude

[11:38:37]

rsdvd:

juski : what have you had success with so far?

[11:38:40]

quicksilver:

stuarta: I *think* the actual cause was a udev upgrade

[11:38:42]

x86:

Dagmar: this wiki told me to use 2.6.15

[11:38:54]

quicksilver:

stuarta: but I don't understand the udev/initramfs interaction well

[11:39:01]

Dagmar:

x86: There is a possibility that this could be a bizarreness caused by you having so much built directly into the kernel

[11:39:03]

juski:

rsdvd: slack 11, pretty minimal install. xorg was too new for IEGD but I had myth worky :)

[11:39:05]

quicksilver:

old kernel 2.6.16 still boots fine because it has an old initrd image

[11:39:06]

stuarta:

quicksilver: quite possibly, the drives will be numbered as they are found

[11:39:18]

x86:

Dagmar: highly doubtful ;)

[11:39:25]

stuarta:

quicksilver: so depending on which sata driver loads first

[11:39:30]

Dagmar:

Oh you havn'et seen some of the wack things with USB that I have then

[11:39:32]

juski:

I can try a slack 10.2, that has 6.8 xorg.. robert will be my dad's bro very quickly I think

[11:39:33]

quicksilver:

stuarta: which should be the order that the modules get probed. But I don't understand why the new initrd changes the order that the modules load...

[11:39:36]

stuarta:

quicksilver: will give you your sda

[11:39:40]

** quicksilver nods **

[11:39:49]

quicksilver:

yes, I deduced that from carefully reading of the boot messages

[11:39:50]

Dagmar:

Who the hell is Bob anyway?

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x86:

oh wait, i was using 0.8.something before

[11:39:55]

quicksilver:

but I don't understand *why* the order changed

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quicksilver:

or how to change it back :)

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x86:

let me try forcing 0.9.1

[11:40:20]

stuarta:

quicksilver: try explicitly loading the first required module

[11:40:30]

stuarta:

in debian that's by putting it in /etc/modules

[11:40:58]

Dagmar:

x86: If this is something to do with having certain things built into teh kernel instead of as modules, you'll be the only person whose encountered it because every one else pretty much just uses modules

[11:41:06]

quicksilver:

stuarta: this is debian

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Dagmar:

s/whose/who's/;

[11:41:21]

quicksilver:

stuarta: that is the last thing I tried before I went to bed. I was pretty tired, but it didn't *seem* to work.

[11:41:29]

quicksilver:

stuarta: I may have made some mistake.

[11:41:47]

quicksilver:

stuarta: /etc/modules should get bundled into the ramdisk when you rebuild the ramdisk, yes?

[11:42:01]

stuarta:

it should

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x86:

Dagmar: that makes no logical sense at all

[11:42:24]

Dagmar:

x86: Yeah, well, bugs are fun like thatg

[11:42:33]

stuarta:

and hopefully that'll be used before the automagical modules loading

[11:42:35]

adante:

juski: righto thanks

[11:42:48]

Dagmar:

In theory I should be able to rmmod ivtv and then modprobe it back in again but it's not working out like that today

[11:42:53]

adante:

i updated the dvb wiki entry to just mention this

[11:43:33]

rsdvd:

juski : so qith Slack 10.2 and the IEGD downlaod it should all work?

[11:43:37]

quicksilver:

stuarta: what confuses me is that, after it fails to find the root FS it finally dumps you back into busybox (the boot sequence does this)

[11:43:47]

Dagmar:

rdev time

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quicksilver:

stuarta: I poked around in the busybox pseudo-shell, and it didn't *seem* like /etc/modules was there

[11:43:54]

juski:

rsdvd: I need to make an install script for the IEGD

[11:44:03]

quicksilver:

stuarta: but there is a whole lot I don't understand about initramfs :(

[11:44:21]

rsdvd:

the docs says to simply copy the appropriate *.so files to the right places

[11:44:24]

Dagmar:

pivot_root much?

[11:44:24]

quicksilver:

I know initramfs does it's own module probing magic and I don't know if that happens first or later or...

[11:44:43]

stuarta:

okay, the basic idea is that the initramfs includes everything needed to get the root fs mounted so the os can boot

[11:45:30]

quicksilver:

nod

[11:45:41]

stuarta:

i'm actually wondering if i'll have this same sort of fun tonight when I add another disk

[11:45:54]

x86:

Dagmar: well thanks anyway for trying to help

[11:45:56]

Dagmar:

Are you using LVM? *grin*

[11:45:58]

x86:

Dagmar: i appreciate it

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Dagmar:

x86: No problem

[11:46:10]

** stuarta uses LVM :) **

[11:46:11]

quicksilver:

I *think* it might be that my older initrds were not made with initramfs-tools

[11:46:20]

Dagmar:

Their documentation sucks festering wang

[11:46:21]

stuarta:

quite possibly.

[11:46:21]

quicksilver:

(I use LVM but not for the boot partition)

[11:46:25]

x86:

Dagmar: what distro do you use, out of curiosity?

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quicksilver:

or it might be the udevd upgrade

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BULLE:

lvm on root fs shouldnt be a problem

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quicksilver:

I used to understand the linux boot sequence pretty well

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BULLE:

if you use a sane distro

[11:46:53]

Dagmar:

Yes, lets use multiple generic/abstract terms in our documentation, one after the other, but neglect to mention how any of the pieces work together

[11:46:56]

quicksilver:

but it all got rather complex

[11:46:56]

stuarta:

quicksilver: alternatively change the root= in the bootloader

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x86:

Dagmar: looks like ubuntu

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BULLE:

then the initrd will be automaticly built foryou, when you install the kernel

[11:47:08]

quicksilver:

BULLE: *nod* true, I just didn't try it out of superstition

[11:47:21]

Dagmar:

x86: Nope. There's some people who would fall out of their chairs laughing at that tho. It's a Slackware machine with Dropline installed

[11:47:21]

BULLE:

i have used lvm on my rootfs for ages

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x86:

dropline?

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quicksilver:

BULLE: this 'automatically built' initrd is unfortunately loading disks in a different order from the previous 'automatically built' ones :(

[11:47:42]

Dagmar:

It is TEH INTRUSIVE!

[11:47:45]

Dagmar:

heh

[11:47:50]

quicksilver:

stuarta: hmm yes I should have tried that

[11:48:01]

BULLE:

quicksilver: thats why you always should use labels, and not the /dev/hdx device

[11:48:04]

Dagmar:

x86: It's why my udev actually works like it's supposed to

[11:48:08]

BULLE:

quicksilver: sane distros will use labels aswell =)

[11:48:08]

quicksilver:

stuarta: the busybox rootfs also didn't seem to have /etc/fstab, which surprised me too

[11:48:12]

x86:

Dagmar: ah

[11:48:13]

Dagmar:

x86: droplinegnome.org

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The_Ball:

iyuno1

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stuarta:

quicksilver: well no, that's pulled off the rootfs

[11:48:27]

quicksilver:

BULLE: very possibly I set up my fstab by hand, I don't actually remember

[11:48:35]

x86:

quicksilver: you have a PCI IDE controller or something weird like that?

[11:48:41]

stuarta:

quicksilver: you just need the relevant modules in the initramfs

[11:48:45]

BULLE:

quicksilver: that might explain things then, use labels, then that sort of problem goes away

[11:48:57]

quicksilver:

x86: two separate on-MB SATA controllers

[11:48:59]

Dagmar:

It kills me that we tell everyone and their brother in GREAT detail why we replace system packages when/if we do, and Pat *still* goes on an interview and says Dropline is "more intrusive than [he'd] like"

[11:49:08]

quicksilver:

BULLE: not really. It's not even *getting* to the /etc/fstab point yet

[11:49:11]

x86:

quicksilver: you can swap it back by enabling / disabling the "boot off-board devices first" kernel configuration option

[11:49:16]

Dagmar:

What part of "fix bugs that Patrick refuses to" is all that hard to understand?

[11:49:23]

quicksilver:

BULLE: since it isn't loading the root fs

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x86:

quicksilver: yeah, that option will fix it

[11:49:36]

quicksilver:

x86: interesting

[11:49:42]

quicksilver:

x86: doesn't explain why it used to work, though

[11:49:48]

quicksilver:

x86: (same kernel version)

[11:50:03]

quicksilver:

not just same kernel version. Same actual kernel, I mean

[11:50:10]

x86:

quicksilver: sounds like the option got toggled in-between compiles

[11:50:18]

x86:

ah

[11:50:23]

x86:

different initrd though?

[11:50:36]

stuarta:

they've been updating the initramfs construction tools

[11:50:42]

Dagmar:

Someone forget to use rdev?

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quicksilver:

x86: same kernel, different initrd

[11:51:05]

quicksilver:

Dagmar: rdev stores major/minor numbers, doesn't it? the problem is that the same disk is coming up with different numbers

[11:51:15]

Dagmar:

SATA disk?

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stuarta:

yup

[11:51:54]

Dagmar:

Yes, they do. That was supposedly fixed a few kernel revisions back... 2.6.13 I think

[11:52:08]

quicksilver:

Dagmar: same kernel image though

[11:52:11]

Dagmar:

Linus mentioned it on LKML even

[11:52:14]

x86:

quicksilver: there is a bootparam to swap the order also

[11:52:17]

quicksilver:

old initrd gives sda1

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quicksilver:

new initrd gives sdc1

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stuarta:

quicksilver: you have yaird installed?

[11:52:27]

Dagmar:

effed up that is

[11:52:29]

x86:

quicksilver: i forget the name of it off-hand, but your initrd could be toggling that too

[11:52:29]

quicksilver:

same actual kernel image, no recompile

[11:52:40]

quicksilver:

stuarta: installed but it's not what I'm using

[11:52:52]

quicksilver:

stuarta: I'm using the debian default which appears to be initramfs-tools

[11:52:57]

quicksilver:

I think

[11:53:11]

Dagmar:

Then there's got to be a difference in the way the SATA drivers are being modprobed in the initrd

[11:53:22]

quicksilver:

dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r` did it for me, but I believe it was initramfs-tools

[11:53:27]

quicksilver:

Dagmar: that was my conclusion

[11:53:43]

quicksilver:

Dagmar: I suspect having a new udev version may be relevant

[11:53:43]

stuarta:

i have initrd-tools & yaird installed

[11:53:46]

Dagmar:

SO like uncompress the initrd's, mount them over loopback, and run a diff

[11:53:48]

x86:

quicksilver: try the bootparam ;)

[11:53:53]

quicksilver:

not sure though. Is udev even used inside the initrd?

[11:54:02]

Dagmar:

quicksilver: Definitely the udev must also be up-to-date

[11:54:15]

quicksilver:

Dagmar: I installed a new udev between building the two images

[11:54:24]

quicksilver:

initrd image, that is

[11:54:24]

Dagmar:

I dont' think it would need to be, but then, it's small so you *could* put all of it's support files in there wihtout a big fuss

[11:54:37]

quicksilver:

so the old initrd presumably had the old udev and the new has the new

[11:54:52]

Dagmar:

You can't just grab the latest udev, either

[11:55:06]

Dagmar:

You pretty much have to look at whatever the version of udev Linus was using was when they did a release

[11:55:34]

Dagmar:

Get one that's too new and you get extra fun. Get one that's too old and you get surplus fun.

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Dagmar:

Seriously tho'. Mount the two images side by side over loopback and diff the stuff in their /etc directories

[11:59:05]

x86:

quicksilver: found it...

[11:59:08]

x86:

quicksilver: ide=reverse

[11:59:15]

x86:

quicksilver: might work for scsi / sata too

[11:59:22]

stuarta:

sda != ide

[11:59:40]

Dagmar:

x86: The problem is sounding like the evil one that was plaguing SATA users for awhile

[11:59:43]

x86:

i said ide not hda ;)

[11:59:58]

Dagmar:

Card enumeration doesn't necessarily happen in a fixed order, and drive enumeration doesn't either.

[11:59:59]

stuarta:

scsi / sata != ide :-P

[12:00:01]

x86:

Dagmar: but he should be able to swap them with a bootparam easy enough

[12:00:04]

quicksilver:

sorry, was on the phone

[12:00:09]

quicksilver:

Dagmar: *nod*

[12:00:14]

Dagmar:

x86: So what happens when the cards come up in a different order?

[12:00:28]

quicksilver:

Dagmar: but I thought the initrd was something sick like a patchwork of cpios, rather than a filesystem in the normal sense?

[12:00:33]

x86:

Dagmar: he's not doing device discovery from ACPI namespace?

[12:00:52]

Dagmar:

x86: The deal is that until some changes were made to the kernel and udev, you werne't guaranteed about which SATA controller would be initialized first

[12:01:04]

Dagmar:

...or which SATA drive would be initialized first for that matter

[12:01:19]

Dagmar:

It's why most of the time RedHat tries to get people to use labeled partitions

[12:01:21]

** quicksilver nods **

[12:01:27]

x86:

well if you do discovery by ACPI it should solve a lot of that

[12:01:44]

quicksilver:

it may be that I *am* doing ACPI-based discovery now, but I wasn't before?

[12:01:52]

x86:

also if you're doing LVM, it wont matter anyway ;)

[12:01:56]

quicksilver:

because the problem isn't the order, it's the consistency

[12:01:59]

x86:

the UUID will still match on both disks heh

[12:02:47]

x86:

quicksilver: your problem is the boot partition eh?

[12:02:53]

quicksilver:

ok here's the piece of the jigsaw I still don't understand: What part of the initramfs subsystem is responsible for mounting the real root filesystem

[12:02:55]

x86:

quicksilver: just convert that to LVM and you're good :)

[12:03:02]

Dagmar:

quicksilver:pivot_root

[12:03:19]

quicksilver:

Dagmar: and what is it looking for? a BIOS hex ID code? a device node?

[12:03:23]

quicksilver:

and where does it get that setting from?

[12:03:28]

Dagmar:

quicksilver: That much I do *not* know

[12:03:30]

** quicksilver nods **

[12:03:41]

quicksilver:

because I think if I could *run* initramfs under the new system

[12:03:45]

quicksilver:

then I'd have a working initramfs

[12:03:48]

x86:

quicksilver: install grub on the MBR of both disks, so it doesnt matter which one the bios hits, you're still good

[12:03:53]

quicksilver:

x86: the MBR works

[12:03:58]

quicksilver:

x86: it's the root filesystem

[12:04:07]

quicksilver:

the kernel boots, the initrd loads, the initrd compresses

[12:04:08]

x86:

i thought you said that's LVM?

[12:04:11]

quicksilver:

the BOOT part is fine

[12:04:15]

quicksilver:

it's the rootfs that doesn't

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x86:

rootfs is LVM correct?

[12:04:33]

quicksilver:

no

[12:04:34]

Dagmar:

There's a script file in the initrd that does this and I'm trying to remember the name

[12:04:41]

quicksilver:

rootfs is not LVM, everything else is

[12:04:42]

Dibblah:

mkinitrd

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x86:

quicksilver: ah

[12:04:54]

Dagmar:

linuxrc

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Dagmar:

That's the name

[12:04:57]

x86:

quicksilver: LVM or MD could definitely help you here ;)

[12:05:10]

quicksilver:

x86: actualy I'm planning to switch to MD/LVM

[12:05:14]

Dagmar:

There should be a /linuxrc in your initrd

[12:05:15]

quicksilver:

x86: that's why i bought more disks

[12:05:21]

quicksilver:

it's just I'm currently broken :)

[12:05:24]

quicksilver:

Dagmar: ah, thanks

[12:05:28]

quicksilver:

Dagmar: I shall poke at that

[12:05:35]

x86:

quicksilver: boot from CD and prepare the LVM then

[12:05:37]

stuarta:

x86 no it won't cause the boot loaders can't find the initrd inside an lvm volume

[12:05:37]

Dagmar:

That's the script that gets run as soon as the kernel is awak

[12:05:38]

Dagmar:

e

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x86:

stuarta: you put the initrd on the boot partition

[12:06:08]

stuarta:

assuming you have one :)

[12:06:15]

x86:

stuarta: which is seperate from the root partition on a good setup

[12:06:26]

juski:

strange looks from colleagues as I laugh out loud at http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/19/goody_crucified/

[12:06:28]

x86:

you _should_ :)

[12:06:47]

quicksilver:

x86: I can boot actually

[12:06:51]

quicksilver:

x86: I can boot in 2.6.16

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quicksilver:

which has an 'old' initrd

[12:07:01]

stuarta:

i don't, i run mirrored root and everything else is in LVM

[12:07:03]

quicksilver:

the kind that comes up with the disk names I expect :)

[12:07:24]

x86:

stuarta: that's a personal problem ;)

[12:07:36]

stuarta:

so my /boot is part of / which is on 2 disks. ie. redundancy :)

[12:07:45]

x86:

you should have at least three partitions, /boot, /, and a swap partition...

[12:07:46]

Dagmar:

juski: Wow she will be in classes for weeks when she gets back to work

[12:07:51]

x86:

that's just bare minimum ;)

[12:08:01]

stuarta:

x86: i have 9 :)

[12:08:40]

x86:

stuarta: you can do raw MD with /boot (without LVM), still have your redundancy, and still be able to read it just fine

[12:08:44]

Dagmar:

juski: That's funny as hell that she admits she made a stupid racist comment and then turns around and says "the only time I had a treat like a Chinese the press took photos"

[12:08:55]

** stuarta has / /usr /var /tmp /home /music /data /data/video /newhome + some others **

[12:08:59]

Dagmar:

I guess the Chinese are a francise now or something

[12:09:05]

x86:

stuarta: because you can mount MD volumes (at least ones involved in RAID-1 configurations) independantly if you have to

[12:09:19]

stuarta:

i have done

[12:09:48]

stuarta:

damn mdtools bug from a few months ago

[12:09:52]

stuarta:

that was fun.

[12:10:11]

quicksilver:

well thanks for all the help

[12:10:14]

stuarta:

upgraded mdadm and it somehow managed to modify the UUID on the root md volume

[12:10:16]

quicksilver:

I can't try until I get home tonight

[12:10:23]

quicksilver:

but I have some idea what's going on, at least

[12:10:23]

x86:

stuarta: fun ;)

[12:10:41]

x86:

quicksilver: MD your boot partition, LVM the rest, you'll be happy :)

[12:11:02]

stuarta:

x86: yeah, had to resort to rescue disks, mount degraded md disk and then rebuilding the initrd with the new UUID's

[12:11:14]

stuarta:

after rebuilding the md array

[12:11:25]

x86:

err, initrd's have UUID's now? :)

[12:11:51]

Merlin83b:

Heh

[12:11:53]

stuarta:

no, inside the initrd the /etc/mdadm had the old UUID of the md volume

[12:12:12]

x86:

ah, gotcha

[12:12:30]

x86:

sorry i've been up 48 hours and i'm kinda delerious ;)

[12:12:50]

rsdvd:

juski : LOL! if we cannot get myth on the S100 – I sure as hell could not get it on a phone

[12:12:57]

stuarta:

call me old fashioned but i like my md / to contain all of /bin & /sbin and not just /boot :)

[12:13:19]

quicksilver:

I was thinking of switching to evms

[12:13:34]

quicksilver:

evms is just a UI layer mostly, isn't it? I could use evms to administer an md / ?

[12:13:48]

stuarta:

erm, think so.

[12:14:06]

** stuarta waits for someone to correct him **

[12:15:10]

** LLyric shrugs **

[12:15:58]

juski:

rsdvd: sure as eggs is eggs there's a post on the lusers list about running mythtv on a box recently outed as running linux

[12:16:35]

Dagmar:

OMG people are running mythTV on Linux now?

[12:16:42]

Dagmar:

Gods what are they thinking..

[12:17:41]

rsdvd:

juski : people seem to want to run the frontend on anything

[12:18:09]

** juski pats his linux toaster & accidentally starts recording Bargain *unt **

[12:18:15]

rsdvd:

lol

[12:18:21]

rsdvd:

can you get myth on it ?

[12:18:35]

juski:

on Bargain *unt?

[12:18:51]

Dagmar:

I can get MythWeb on my Nintedo DS but I really, really wouldn't recommend anyone else do that.

[12:18:53]

LLyric:

Anyone know what mains voltage and pin configuration is used in Bangkok?

[12:19:06]

quicksilver:

I've never tried mythweb on the PSP

[12:19:15]

quicksilver:

I wonder if the streaming stuff works to PSPs

[12:19:24]

Dagmar:

LLyric: It probably involves caning a coed in there somewhere

[12:19:31]

juski:

LLyric: better to take 240VAC toys just incase. I've heard it could take ages for the smile to disappear if you use the wrong settings

[12:19:46]

** LLyric is going there tomorrow, it seems **

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juski:

http://users.pandora.be/worldstandards/electricity.htm

[12:21:24]

Dagmar:

Just remember the pictures of the little kids in the taxicabs are *not* the driver's children--so don't give him money if he gestures at them--and you'll be fine

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LLyric:

Heheh'

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Dagmar:

Man that's the thing I like least about some of these countries

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Dagmar:

You're like, "hey those are some cute kids you got there" and they say "only fifty dollah you can have much fun"

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Dagmar:

Yech

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juski:

220V 50Hz

[12:24:11]

Dagmar:

It's like feeding sharks

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juski:

why? only because their parents have been known to do it to them, so they get more money

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quicksilver:

and amputee adults have been known to do it to themselves

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rsdvd:

there was a group of Indian doctors that were stuck off last year for amuptating beggers limbs so they could get more sympathy

[12:25:56]

stuarta:

is it home time yet?

[12:26:09]

quicksilver:

yup

[12:26:15]

quicksilver:

it's home time for all of you!

[12:26:17]

quicksilver:

I have decided

[12:26:21]

stuarta:

yay!

[12:26:21]

quicksilver:

go and have a weekend

[12:26:23]

juski:

woohoo!

[12:26:30]

Dagmar:

It's only 0626 here. I've got another six hours to go.

[12:26:43]

rsdvd:

it is for me – but I work at home anyway :-(

[12:26:45]

stuarta:

1226! almost lunchtime

[12:27:03]

LLyric:

2326 here, almost bedtime

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stuarta:

LLyric: how's the weather in Aus?

[12:27:35]

LLyric:

Hot today, but not as hot as bangkok, I suspect.

[12:27:53]

stuarta:

parents tell me it's meant to be 40c on sunday

[12:28:09]

LLyric:

yeah, bad for bushfires, which are burning in my state

[12:28:15]

Dagmar:

85 and partly sodomy

[12:28:23]

Dagmar:

Sorry... sorry, just had to make that jooke

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stuarta:

victoria?

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LLyric:

yup

[12:28:59]

stuarta:

i was home for christmas & new year. only managed 26c. bit disappointed.

[12:29:17]

Dagmar:

Don't complain. Your weather is probably relatively stable.

[12:29:29]

Dagmar:

Sunday night here it was 71F at midnight.

[12:29:41]

Dagmar:

Monday night, same time, 27F

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stuarta:

on the bright side getting back to england an it was a mere 10–12 was amazing

[12:29:57]

stuarta:

better than the -2 -> 2c it normally is

[12:30:53]

Dagmar:

At least you'd be able to wear the same clothes into work and leaving it

[12:31:12]

LLyric:

Apparently the bangkok airport I'm landing at is very impressive. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suvarnabhumi_Airport

[12:31:37]

Dagmar:

I don't really have anything all that terrible against Bangkok, I just had a rough time my first day tehre

[12:31:37]

LLyric:

Worlds Tallest Control Tower, Worlds Second-largest single building, etc

[12:31:44]

** LLyric has never been there **

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Dagmar:

I wound up paying the cab driver a tenner just to be silent.

[12:32:00]

Dagmar:

I was very much not expecting the man to offer to "rent" me children.

[12:32:17]

Dagmar:

Not even fifteen minutes out of customs and *that*

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Dagmar:

*shudder*

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GreyFoxx:

I had that happen in Mexico

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Dagmar:

Did you have it happen again twice more before you got to your hotel?

[12:34:16]

GreyFoxx:

2 cab drivers offered me young girls they claimed (and looked like) 13–14 years old

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Dagmar:

Perhaps you looked like you needed an underage hooker?

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

[12:37:21]

Dagmar:

That was the thing that got to me the most

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Dagmar:

I kept thinking to myself, "Is there something about my appearance that's giving these guys the impression I like to @#$@ little kids?"

[12:38:14]

GreyFoxx:

I think it's more like the spam philosophy

[12:38:27]

GreyFoxx:

send the offer to many in hopes that at least some buy in :)

[12:39:08]

Dagmar:

I got the "you americans are too violent" speech from the concierge

[12:39:29]

Dagmar:

I had to inquire as to how the police would respond were I to up and hit someone in the face if they offered me children again

[12:41:40]

Dagmar:

Lord knows if you were to solicit ten people on the streets of most US cities like that, one of them would take a poke at you

[12:42:40]

GreyFoxx:

I use to travel at least once a week for work, mostly around the us

[12:43:27]

** LLyric chuckles **

[12:43:30]

GreyFoxx:

I got the same offers from cabbies and hotel workers often enough, the difference was the women were not actually in the car already or I wasn't drive past them

[12:44:13]

quicksilver:

I was pretty hurt once when I was still a student and I went to Bulgaria on a trip

[12:44:13]

Dagmar:

Weird. I never really had that kind of trouble in the US

[12:44:16]

GreyFoxx:

the ones in Mexico were also using less hushed tones

[12:44:25]

quicksilver:

we got talking to some nice kids about our age in a club

[12:44:39]

quicksilver:

one of them asked me if I liked his sister (who was standing next to him)

[12:44:46]

Dagmar:

Oh dear.

[12:44:46]

quicksilver:

seemed like an innocent enough question to me at the time :(

[12:45:04]

quicksilver:

I honestly thought we were jsut enjoying meet some people and letting them practice their english on us

[12:45:17]

quicksilver:

I mean how many students have the spare cash to pay for a hooker, apart from anything else? :)

[12:45:44]

Dagmar:

Well, you know... there's ways to defray the costs

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quicksilver:

hmm

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quicksilver:

'yesterday's pic' was less worksafe, thouguh :P

[12:48:05]

Dagmar:

Oh I didn't say to go clickin' on stuff.

[12:48:14]

Dagmar:

NIcks' site is not something you wanna explore

[12:49:30]

quicksilver:

:)

[12:52:32]

hirs:

hi

[12:53:14]

hirs:

how long can it take mythcommflag to detect commercials?

[12:53:24]

hirs:

in a 30 mins recording...

[12:54:18]

hirs:

it's been searching for the logo for more than 1 hour

[12:56:02]

Dksaarth_:

maybe there aint a logo change ?

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hirs:

well, it is, is a recording from national geographic

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Dagmar:

Something broke or you're using a 200Mhz CPU

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juski:

I wish there was a filter I could use to make the -dev list less er.. users-ish

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rsdvd:

juski : do you know how many CDs I will need to isntall slack 10.2? is it just the first or will I need all 3?

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asheron:

juski: slackware is at version 11 right now kde is on disc two

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rsdvd:

rogue780 : if you changed the DAY variable to be simple mythdb_MON etc then it would overwright meaning you would only ever have 7 max

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asheron:

rsdvd: slackware is at version 11 right now kde is on disc two

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rogue780:

rsdvd, mythdb_MON?

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adante:

rogue780: possibly, just use find?

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rsdvd:

asheron : I am downloading the older 10.2 for compatabilty issues with the S100!

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rsdvd:

rogue780 : you are dumping the database into a file called mythdb_$DAY – wher DAY contains the date – if you change that to the day only (Monday/Tuesday etc) then you will only have 7 files

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asheron:

rsdvd: ok what is s100 ?

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rsdvd:

:-) a PC is a set-top box – ask Juski :-)

[13:17:28]

rogue780:

rsdvd, I just found that while I was looking through the man page, thanks. sorry for my noobishness

[13:18:57]

rsdvd:

rogue780 : if you change your DAY=$(/bin/date +%m%d%Y) to DAY=$(/bin/date +%a)

[13:20:02]

rogue780:

rsdvd, got it, thanks

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Dagmar:

Is there any useful difference between $( ) and ` `?

[13:23:16]

juski:

asheron: we won't be needing kde!

[13:23:28]

Dagmar:

Just wondering if you know of one because I definitely don't.

[13:23:42]

juski:

asheron: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/s100/ :)

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Dagmar:

lol the "racial abuse" on big brother has hit CNN

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rsdvd:

dagmar = I think $() is an older syntax......probably compatible to more shells

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Dagmar:

rsdvd: Ah... that much I knew, but I still use #!/bin/bash so I figure that should be enough warning for most people.

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rsdvd:

:-)

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quicksilver:

Dagmar: I suspect they have a subtle interpolation/evaluation differen e which will bite you on the arse when you least expect it

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quicksilver:

Dagmar: that's what I normally find with shell stuff :)

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quicksilver:

Dagmar: according to the bash manual page, there is a subtle different to do with escpaing if you're nesting them

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quicksilver:

compare echo `echo `echo hello``

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quicksilver:

and echo $(echo $(echo hello))

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Dagmar:

quicksilver: Okay, for nesting them I can see there'd be a problem with backticks, but that's just syntax and should be relatively obvious to the coder

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** quicksilver nods **

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quicksilver:

that's the only difference I think

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Dksaarth_:

hey guys

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Dksaarth_:

can anybody here help me with a seg fault running mythbackend on freebsd?

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Dksaarth_:

(gdb) bt

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Dksaarth_:

#0 0x2a1e0f17 in pthread_testcancel () from /usr/local/lib/libpthread.so.1

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Dksaarth_:

#1 0x29a1575d in QEventLoop::processEvents () from /usr/X11R6/lib/libqt-mt.so.3

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mchou:

Dagmar: well, I havent seen the program, but that racial abuse seems pretty serious

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mchou:

Dagmar: sounds like a bunch of Eurotrash going after an indian

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Dagmar:

Actually, I think it's more a matter of a bunch of trash going after someone

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mchou:

Dagmar: and then there is all those Brit class dander differences

[13:57:05]

Dagmar:

Did you see the URL Juski posted earlier that had an excerpt from that girl's myspace saying people took pictures of her "like a Chinese"? Heh

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mchou:

Dagmar: what's that mean?

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mchou:

lol

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Dagmar:

I don't think they were targeting her Indian heritage. I think they were just being crass

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mchou:

what's like a chinese?

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quicksilver:

they were bullying

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Dagmar:

In the *same paragraph* where she was fussing about being called a racist she says that

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quicksilver:

BB has always had bullying in

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quicksilver:

it just so happens this time they were bullying a famous (in India) film star

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Dagmar:

Like, so dim they don't even know that's not a polite thing to say. Heh

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mchou:

Dagmar: hehe....

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rsdvd:

as a brit who is also a Big Brother Fan – you have to remember that Gade (the girl who is suppose to be saying these things) is as thick as they come – and is offensive to everyone regardless of their colour

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quicksilver:

I doubt it was desperately racially motivated

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quicksilver:

if she'd been white they'd ahve said the same thing in a different way

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Dagmar:

Probably so

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quicksilver:

like 'don't they eat with their hands in Basingstoke'

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quicksilver:

but it was a grand plan by Channel 4 :)

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mchou:

Dagmar: the chinks can take racial slurs from anyone as long as it's not coming from whitey :)

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Dagmar:

I also found it amusing she had to bail on a Marathon because she didn't know what miles were

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quicksilver:

I'm sure they are laughing all the way to the bank

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Dagmar:

Did she perhaps think it was 23 *feet* long?

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quicksilver:

Oh no, controversy! Oh no, we're on the front page of all the papers! Oh no, our ratings are soaring.

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mchou:

rsdvd: which one is gade? Is she a brit?

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quicksilver:

Jade, yes, she's a brit

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Dagmar:

South london, too.

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quicksilver:

ignorant to the point of enormous amusement

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Dagmar:

er rather, Souf London

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quicksilver:

like thinking east anglia (which is only just outside of london) is a different country

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rsdvd:

dagmar : she has moved – she is now an Essex girl

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Dagmar:

Ah

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Dagmar:

Still dumb as a sack of rocks tho

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mchou:

oh, there was one that was great....

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rsdvd:

she might be dumb – but she is also a millionarie

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mchou:

someone thought Winston Churchill was the 1st black prez of US on that show

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rsdvd:

that was her

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mchou:

lol

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Dagmar:

LOL

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rsdvd:

actually I think it was Mandella not churchill

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mchou:

nah, she said Churchill

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Dagmar:

Hey there's clearly no connection between money and smarts or that Hilton girl would have learned *at any of the many points of failure* to keep her shirt on around electronic cameras

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mchou:

I have the quote

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quicksilver:

Dagmar: that presumes you think the videos have harmed her :)

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quicksilver:

Dagmar: I suspect the contrary

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rsdvd:

she is basically the butt of every joke in the press in the UK

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mchou:

Dagmar: dont be ridiculous. Hilton did that to get famous.

[14:02:53]

Dagmar:

I guess she could afford to do it for free.

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Dagmar:

I have to admit she didn't have anything to hide. :)

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mchou:

Dagmar: w/o electronic cameras, Hilton would have been a NOBODY

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Dagmar:

But a *rich* nobody

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Dagmar:

...and she was doing bit parts in films already

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mchou:

Dagmar: that's why she was actually smart :)

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Dagmar:

She was doing bit parts as a token rich-girl-who-is-looking-for-some

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quicksilver:

now she has a TV show and stuff

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mchou:

Dagmar: nope, she was doing parts in films after her snuff films

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Dagmar:

Snuff films?

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quicksilver:

snuff?

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quicksilver:

surely not

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quicksilver:

you go to jail for that :P

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Dagmar:

This word you use, I do not think it means what you think it means

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mchou:

meaning "legit" films

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Dagmar:

Well, you go to jail or the Rolling Acres Rest Home

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mchou:

Dagmar: I mean "live" vs. snuff

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Dagmar:

Snuff films are films where people are gratuitously killed

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Merlin83b:

I think you need to go and look up what a snuff film is...

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Dagmar:

...and Faces Of Death I-VI

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mchou:

Dagmar: she was in a snuff film, iirc

[14:05:32]

Dagmar:

Not unless she was killing someone

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quicksilver:

snuff films are films where people are *actually* killed

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mchou:

some shit like "hostel" or something like that

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fryfrog:

i think a snuff film can also be a real, filmed rape?

[14:05:59]

fryfrog:

or is it usually followed by being killed so that makes it snuff?

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Dagmar:

I think maybe the word you're looking for is "gonzo" but she hasn't done any but one seriously porn thing

[14:06:09]

quicksilver:

well 'snuff it' means to die, so I assume that has to happen

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Merlin83b:

AFAIK it's the killing that makes it snuff.

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Dagmar:

fryfrog: A snuff flick is a murder scene, dude.

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fryfrog:

ah, okay

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rsdvd:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snuff_movie

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Dagmar:

<-- Overly-violent American.

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Dagmar:

We know our snuff.

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quicksilver:

Dagmar: but real, not staged, being the important point

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quicksilver:

well staged possibly but not faked

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mchou:

anyway, I think we've proven Hilton is actually not as dumb as shee looks

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Dagmar:

That's gotta be the funniest thing I've seen someone say all week tho

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mchou:

Dagmar: what is?

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juski:

could we try to steer the channel back to at least *vaguely* on-topic again folks?

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Dagmar:

No offense to you because it was an honest mistake, but seeing you say "...after she did those snuff films"

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juski:

snuff movies?!!! ffs

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Dagmar:

juski: Any idea what happened to the ivtvdriver.org site?

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quicksilver:

Originally a horror film designed to cash in on the hysteria of the Manson Family murders, the film's distributor tacked on a new ending that allegedly depicts an actual murder. In order to generate buzz the producer wrote angry letters to the New York Times posing as a concerned citizen and hired actors to stand outside and protest against the film.

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mchou:

Dagmar: dud, I meant "live"

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Dagmar:

juski: Actually the point was that they weren't snuff flicks

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quicksilver:

awesome

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quicksilver:

you have to love marketing :)

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mchou:

Dagmar: if you're to dense to catch the double entendre that's your own damn fault :)

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Dagmar:

No one does anything _after_ snuff films. Hehe

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mchou:

Dagmar: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=snuff+film

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mchou:

that's much closer than wikipedia's lame entry

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Dagmar:

You can't believe everything you read on the intertubes.

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Dagmar:

I kinda doubt it considering I've never seen a snuff film that involved sex

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mchou:

Dagmar: dude, the source for that link comes from the "American Heritage" dictionary

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mchou:

way more credible that you or wikipedia

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Dagmar:

I use the legal term

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Kyler:

My backend seems to be hosed after doing some housecleaning and moving everything to my RAID. mythbackend seems to get started alright but it just pegs mysqld and holds it there...for hours. It won't respond on HTTP.

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juski:

Dagmar: ivtvdriver.org? Maybe I delelted it in one of my famous tantrums

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Dagmar:

Tennessee used to have lots of Mom & Pop video rental places in the backwoods that had a large selection of flicks that were of "that" type until the TBI rounded them all up (somewhat horrifiedly that people were renting the heck out of them)

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mchou:

TBI?

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Dagmar:

juski Yeah it looks like the CSS got nuked or something

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Dagmar:

Tennessee Bureau of Investigation

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mchou:

Dagmar: wtf is that?

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

Dagmar: is it run by the Grand Dragon?

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Dagmar:

Nope.

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Dagmar:

It's run by a guy with way too small a budget (thank goodness)

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Dagmar:

They're also TN's "Marijuana Eradication Task Force"

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quicksilver:

it's popularly believed that snuff films are themselves merely an urban myth

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quicksilver:

I certainly haven't seen one

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quicksilver:

:)

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mchou:

quicksilver: that's cuase you dont watch CSI :)

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Dagmar:

The Faces of Death flicks were as close as I care to come to seeing those, and since they're illegal, it would be rare indeed to find an actual murder on a tape

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quicksilver:

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/madmen/snuff.asp

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quicksilver:

is a reasonably well referenced exploration of the issue

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mchou:

hmm, didn't son of Bruce Lee die duing a real shoot? :)

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mchou:

during*

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Dagmar:

Yep

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mchou:

I think that was "the crow" or some such.....

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Dagmar:

Someone had live rounds in a gun (oops) during one of the scenes

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Dagmar:

They used CGI to re-do the scene

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mchou:

I guess you could call that a snuff film

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Dagmar:

Accidental death.

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mchou:

hehe

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qu0zl:

it was the crow alright, and i think it wasn't a live round but a fake round, but those still shouldn't be pointed at people up close

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mchou:

Dagmar: I dont think that case was ever ruled "Accidental"

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mchou:

Dagmar: at best it was "inconclusive"

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mchou:

meaning ppl werent sure whether it was accidental (or not)

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quicksilver:

he did die, yes

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Dagmar:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Lee

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quicksilver:

but that scene was not shown

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moh:

yeah, I thought I remembered hearing that a chnk of metal came off the fake shell casing and killed h im

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quicksilver:

nor was it deliberately filmed for entertainment

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Dagmar:

Kind of an in-between thing

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quicksilver:

a 'snuff film' has to be made for the purpose of entertainment

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quicksilver:

'pornographic' in a general sense if not a specifically sexual one

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quicksilver:

(which might be the cause of the false meme in the american heritage dictionary)

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quicksilver:

some people use pornographic in this more general sense

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mchou:

quicksilver: dude, it shows up in Random House dictionary and American Heritage

[14:25:53]

mchou:

quicksilver: just like how slasher flicks have elements of "porn"

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Dagmar:

Just the same, I've never seen a snuff flick with sex in it

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Dagmar:

Not even simulated sex with simulated killing

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mchou:

Dagmar: dude, you're no authority

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quicksilver:

mchou: I believe the random house is using the broader sense of porn

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Dagmar:

Dude I made my beer money bootlegging the things

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quicksilver:

mchou: and I believe the american heritage has swallowed a false meme

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quicksilver:

even dictionaries make mistakes

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Dagmar:

Particularly over the more obscure stuff

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mchou:

seach for snuff

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mchou:

bottom of page

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Dagmar:

No offense but I really don't feel like ever having to explain why I was Googling "snuff flick" from the office or I'd rebut this further

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mchou:

no why whould a question like that be on alt.sex faq?

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Dagmar:

I could just as easily websearch URLs to "prove" Strawberry Shortcake is a lesbian, too

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quicksilver:

mchou: beacuse it's a MEME

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Dagmar:

Because there's no rule that says a snuff flick _can't_ be pornographic in nature.

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quicksilver:

because some people BELIEVE that snuff films are necessarily porno

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quicksilver:

however this is NOT what the word means

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quicksilver:

that article you pointed me too even gives the etymology

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quicksilver:

which is do to with the manson murders

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Dagmar:

...and there's people who get off on that sort of thing, so even if there's just 'bang and they're dead' it's still sexual in nature to them

[14:29:49]

quicksilver:

and has nothing to do with sex per se

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Dagmar:

So let's try and swing this into the less distasteful direction before I have to explain fetishes

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quicksilver:

the snuff article on snopes sums it up better than I can

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mchou:

quicksilver: dude, if you think manson had no sexual overtones you were born yesterday

[14:30:57]

mchou:

http://www.answers.com/topic/snuff-film

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mchou:

quicksilver: see the part about "sex act"?

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mchou:

sheesh

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Dagmar:

As much as I'd like to, I'm not explaining what a fetish is and how this pertains to 'sexual activity'.

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mchou:

tell me again how that's a meme

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quicksilver:

mchou: yes, I read it

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quicksilver:

mchou: that's the same definition you showed us before

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quicksilver:

just agreggated by a different worthless answer agreggating site

[14:32:26]

quicksilver:

and it's just as wrong as it was last time

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Dagmar:

quicksilver: I think we're perhaps seeing what happens to people like us who are exposed to the internet for too long.

[14:32:44]

Dagmar:

We know way too much about pornography. Heh

[14:32:49]

mchou:

quicksilver: so somehow you think "sex act" is a mem for "vicarious killing?"

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quicksilver:

dagmar: :)

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quicksilver:

mchou: No

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mchou:

meme*

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quicksilver:

the meme is this : 'snuff films are about sex'

[14:33:06]

quicksilver:

this meme is incorrect

[14:33:16]

quicksilver:

but some dictionaries manage to publish incorrect facts

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Dagmar:

mchou: If the person "gets off" on it, then yes, just a staightforward killing is a type of *fetishist* sex act

[14:33:26]

quicksilver:

and then those dictionaries can get copied around the net

[14:33:35]

quicksilver:

and the incorrect fact spreads

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Kyler:

I used "--nojobqueue" and I'm still seeing job queries in mysql.log.

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quicksilver:

(which is why I used meme, because the spread of incorrect information is a classic thing people use meme to refer to)

[14:33:52]

Dagmar:

I think in this case the meme spread unchecked because no one really likes to think about this stuff

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Kyler:

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mchou:

dude, american heritage dictionary is in print way before it was on inet

[14:34:07]

quicksilver:

mchou: that odesn't make it any less WRONG

[14:34:25]

quicksilver:

mchou: read the snopes article. It contains a good review of the whole topic. It's many pages long. Only some of it is about sex.

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quicksilver:

it contains a couple of possible definitions, some background, some myths, some known examples

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mchou:

quicksilver: lol, except you havent proved it wrong. Going to wikipedia to prove it "wrong" like using National Enquirer to "prove" NYT wrong :)

[14:35:29]

mchou:

quicksilver: or snopes in this case

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Dagmar:

He didn't go to WP.

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Dagmar:

He went to Snopes

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quicksilver:

mchou: did you read the article?

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mchou:

lol. That's even more credible :)

[14:35:48]

Dagmar:

...and you have a very puritanical idea of what "pornography" is

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quicksilver:

it's snopes, it has a references list as long as my arm

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Dagmar:

Snopes is all about debunking myths

[14:36:07]

quicksilver:

it's an extremely detailed piece of scholarly research

[14:36:25]

quicksilver:

way better researched than a typical dictionary can possibly commision for the definition of a seldom-used phrase

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mchou:

quicksilver: you wouldn't know scholarly if it bit you in the ass

[14:36:52]

quicksilver:

mchou: you think?

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mchou:

whipp out the OED for this :)

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quicksilver:

mchou: how much do you know about me?

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Dagmar:

Man there's whole realms of stuff from Germany that mchou would have no clue about. heh

[14:37:21]

Dagmar:

...and Japan, too.

[14:37:33]

Dagmar:

You don't even want to know about the things I've seen out of Japan

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mchou:

quicksilver: because you claim "Snopes" as scholarly. Any acasemic would laugh you out of town.

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mchou:

academic*

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quicksilver:

mchou: if you've read that snopes article and you still think a 3-line defintion from a dictionary 'outranks' it then I think your reference checking skills are lacking.

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quicksilver:

to be slightly more precise, I describe one article as a piece of detailed scholarly research.

[14:38:09]

quicksilver:

because it is.

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mchou:

quicksilver: lol

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quicksilver:

please read it and then disagree if you still do.

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hamZta:

I think I've killed my recorded-Table in the database ... could someone send me a dump (only the structure)?

[14:38:31]

quicksilver:

it is very thorough, it combines many sources, which it references carefully.

[14:38:43]

mchou:

If snopes is scholarly, where is the peer review board?

[14:38:48]

Kyler:

Is it normal for mythbackend to show "Reschedule requested for id -1."?

[14:38:58]

Dagmar:

hamZta: You didn't make a backup?

[14:39:09]

Dagmar:

Kyler: Nope

[14:39:14]

mchou:

quicksilver: at least the dictionary does have a peer review board

[14:39:34]

hamZta:

Dagmar: Well ... my PC crashed while writing to the database. So ... no, I didn't (I'm glad, it's a fresh install)

[14:39:34]

Kyler:

Dagmar: Uh oh...any ideas where to start hunting for the problem? I'm already using my backup database?

[14:39:38]

mchou:

where the hell is the peer review board for snopes?

[14:39:51]

Dagmar:

hamtza: Oh in that case just blow the whole thing out and reimport the mc.sql and so forth

[14:40:13]

Dagmar:

Kyler: i'd just ignore it actually, unless it's doing this like thousands of times an hour

[14:40:17]

hamZta:

Okay, I'll give it a try. Thanks, Dagmar

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Dagmar:

Eventually the broken scheduled item will expire and disappear

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quicksilver:

mchou: I tire of this discussion. I have no knowledge of the detailed peer-review structure or otherwise of snopes. I have evaluated various articles on the net to try to answer this question, and the snopes article is well-written, deeply reference and convincing.

[14:40:39]

Kyler:

Dagmar: Well, it doesn't appear to be doing *anything* after that. It keeps mysqld pegged though.

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quicksilver:

mchou: the dictionary definition has *NO REFERENCES* and is unverifiable

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Dagmar:

Ya'll really need to a) use a journalled filesystem, and b) have mysqlcheck run before you have mythbackend start

[14:41:03]

quicksilver:

mchou: if you still disagree then I shall agree to disagree with you.

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mchou:

quicksilver: QED. You wouldnt know scholarly if it bit you in the ass

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Dagmar:

Kyler: Have you tried running mysqslcheck?

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mchou:

it's not just the number of references as much as the QUALITY of references

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quicksilver:

mchou: I seldom lower myself to rebuffing ad hominem attacks.

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Dagmar:

Kyler: Shut down the backend (just for safety's sake) and run `mysqlcheck --check --extended --auto-repair --optimize mythconverg`

[14:42:21]

quicksilver:

mchou: FYI, I have been a referee for several academic papers

[14:42:35]

mchou:

quicksilver: lol. how is asking you "where is review board" of snopes ad hominem?

[14:42:38]

Kyler:

Dagmar: Running it now. Thanks!

[14:42:41]

Dagmar:

...and I've seen way too many mockup snuff flics

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quicksilver:

mchou: You wouldnt know scholarly if it bit you in the ass is ad hominem

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Dagmar:

Kyler: If there's anything hinky in your database, hopefully that will find it an eradicate it. It *might* fix whatever's creating that bogus index

[14:43:18]

mchou:

quicksilver: then that would be the first question that should have occurred to you when you mentioned Snopes as "scholarly"

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Dagmar:

Hell, I've even got a copy of that NIN video featuring Bob Flanagan somewhere around here

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mchou:

quicksilver: and which journals or pubs have you refereed?

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Merlin83b:

Fancy taking it out to #adhominem, guys? :)

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quicksilver:

mchou: perhaps you'd be interested in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiPr . . . ation/Snopes

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quicksilver:

if you care that much about their reputability

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mchou:

quicksilver: lol. there you go again. Wikipedia is not scholarly

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mchou:

even if does get peer reviewed :)

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mchou:

and like I said, you wouldnt know scholarly, because you keep on citing snopes and wikipedia as "scholarly"

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quicksilver:

wikipedia is peer-review but not scholarly. Many academic publications, especially books, are scholarly but not peer-reviews. Major journals are both. Take your pick.

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mchou:

Wikipedia has been "wrong" in so many ways, especially when it comes to scientific articles.

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quicksilver:

of course it has

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quicksilver:

when I said 'scholarly' I didn't mean 'peer-reviewed', the two are not synonyms.

[14:47:34]

quicksilver:

I meant 'well-argued, well-referenced and detailed'

[14:47:42]

quicksilver:

none of which apply to the dictionaries you cited

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mchou:

so why do you keep on using wikipedia or snopes as your prime examples of "scholarly?"

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Dagmar:

I suggest you abandon ship on this one, quick.

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mchou:

American heritage might not be the best dictionary around, but you can see who their review board is on the front page of the dictionary

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Dagmar:

It's putting you in the unpleasant position of having to explain pornography.

[14:49:21]

Dagmar:

...which is just weird.

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quicksilver:

for the benefit of the channel, I will take this to PM. Sorry for not doing it sooner.

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Merlin83b:

Better than having to explain scholarly, Dagmar.

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Dagmar:

lol

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mchou:

and hence why I said let's dig out OED

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Dagmar:

I think I'd rather explain scholarly

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Kyler:

Dagmar: mysqlcheck is really churning on something. Looks like it's probably "oldprogram".

[14:49:56]

Dagmar:

There's less of a sense that you're destroying someone's innocence involved in that

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Dagmar:

Kyler: Hopefully it will find and fix something

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Merlin83b:

Heh, it's a differenct kind of innocence, that'd for sure.

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Dagmar:

Kyler: It may be that it's just churning because it's culling deleted records

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Dagmar:

Kyler: If you know how to edit yer init scripts, I'd suggest you run that on the 'mysql' table immediately after starting mysqld, and run it on the mythconverg table immediately before starting the backend

[14:57:34]

Dagmar:

It adds a little startup time to the system, but if it cleans up tables before they get completely corrupted to hell and back it's worth it

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Milosch:

hmm

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Kyler:

Dagmar: Yes, I'm inclined to automate maintenance like this.

[15:06:50]

Dagmar:

Wow the UK had some serious wind yesterday

[15:07:18]

Merlin83b:

Pretty much.

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quicksilver:

yup, screwed up all my trains

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Kyler:

Dagmar: Could I just drop a set of oldprogram.* files from an older backup in place of the existing ones? Is that safe?

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Dagmar:

I *think* so but i generally just do *not* screw around with mysql's files directly.

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quicksilver:

back in the older days (myISAM) you could do that without fear

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quicksilver:

I'm 2 versions out of date in my myslq-fu though

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Dagmar:

For something like that I'd restore all the backup files momentarily and dump the table with mysqldump, and then restore the new/broken ones, drop that table and reimport the dump

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Kyler:

Dagmar: Yeah, that's probably cleaner – just a lot more work.

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Kyler:

It looks like I have maybe 40K+ entries in oldprogram. I'm guessing this could take awhile...

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Dagmar:

If you've never run it before then definitely

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Kyler:

Are we talking hours? days? weeks? Would I be better off to go to an older version?

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Dagmar:

Depends on how large your database is, and how slow your machine is.

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Dagmar:

'Many minutes' is probably a reasonable answer

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Kyler:

big database, fairly fast machine

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Dagmar:

Not more than an hour surely

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Kyler:

O.k., I'll be patient. Thank you.

[15:16:09]

Kyler:

Now that Linux supports growing RAID5 I might just have to add a disk or two once everything settles.

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hamZta:

The error comes when I try to see my recorded shows

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Kyler:

Gosh, the conversation sure has strayed from snuff films and child prostitutes...

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Milosch:

such a shame ;)

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Dagmar:

No, it's not.

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Kyler:

O.k., then I won't apologize for chatting about Myth.

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jams:

Kyler- i take it you things compiling again?

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Kyler:

jams: Yes, distclean seemed to do it. Thank you.

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hamZta:

Anyone got an idea?

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alsoconfused:

hamZta: it sounds like the database schema is out of sync with the version of mythtv you're running. what did you change?

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Kyler:

jams: Now I'm trying to get my database recovered. The (poorly done) backup seems to be inconsistent. Dagmar has been helping me.

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Paladine:

second episode of jericho tonight in the UK if anyone has forgot to set it to record

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hamZta:

alsoconfused: afaik nothing :/

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hamZta:

Could be, that the table recorded is broken

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alsoconfused:

hamZta: is it possible there are more than one versions of myth on the system?

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hamZta:

No

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Kyler:

regarding the Minibox – the cases are cheap and they include a CompactFlash slot. There's even a version with a PCI slot. I'm thinking of using them for wireless (but still diskless) frontends.

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hamZta:

Only one, but I think I took a wrong dump for the recorded table

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alsoconfused:

in what way?

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hamZta:

alsoconfused: Do you know, where I can get a dump of the database from?

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hamZta:

alsoconfused: Somehow, the recorded-table got broken (a pc-crash, I think)

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hamZta:

So I googled and found a dump of it. Should've looked twice

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alsoconfused:

i don't know what good a dump from another system will do you.

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alsoconfused:

hamZta: there are mysql utils for repairing tables.

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hamZta:

alsoconfused: Too late. ;) But thanks, I'll remember this one

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Smirnov:

so when I go to "watch TV", I get a black screen, but using mplayer on /dev/video0 is ok

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alsoconfused:

Smirnov: are you logging messages from the backend?

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Smirnov:

yep

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alsoconfused:

any errors related to setting inputs or changing channels?

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hamZta:

alsoconfused: Maybe you can get me the structure of your table? Would be very nice

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Smirnov:

alsoconfused: doesnt look like it

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Smirnov:

alsoconfused: i _am_ getting frontend errors though

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alsoconfused:

hamZta: you would be better off letting YOUR version of myth create one

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alsoconfused:

Smirnov: taking a peek...

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hamZta:

alsoconfused: How can I recreate the database? (Maybe with a different name, so I don't loose data)

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Smirnov:

hamZta: if youre worried about that use mysqldump to save your old db

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fryfrog:

mysqlhotcopy

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fryfrog:

will copy one db to another db

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fryfrog:

i use that to make my test databases

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hamZta:

You're right ... there's already a dump of it. But how can I tell MythTV to recreate the database?

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fryfrog:

undump it?

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fryfrog:

mysql -u <user> -p <db name> < file.sql

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hamZta:

I just have a dump of the corrupted version

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alsoconfused:

hamZta: i'd probably 1) shutdown mysql 2)mv /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg /var/lib/mysql/backup 3)restart mysql 4)go back to the installation docs to make a new database

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hamZta:

Okay. Thanks

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Smirnov:

alsoconfused: any ideas with my frontend errors

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alsoconfused:

Smirnov: it looks like there's a problem with pathnames to the recorded files. notice the space in "/var/lib/mythtv/ /1036_2007"

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Smirnov:

alsoconfused: i dont see a space, thats just where my terminal gets cut off horizontally

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alsoconfused:

okay, but there's some other reason it can't see that file.

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alsoconfused:

is it being created?

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Smirnov:

yes

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alsoconfused:

does it contain what it should?

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Smirnov:

how would i check

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Smirnov:

i see an mpg in that directory

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alsoconfused:

try running mplayer /var/lib/mythtv//1036_20070119092538.mpg

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Smirnov:

works fine

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Smirnov:

there is no spaces

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Smirnov:

thats just where my terminal got cut off

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alsoconfused:

Smirnov: is this a combined backend/frontend or remote

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alsoconfused:

?

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Smirnov:

on the same comp

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alsoconfused:

Smirnov: your pastbin is the frontend. the backend log might be interesting.

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Smirnov:

i guess

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Milosch:

alsoconfused: by the way, i did have to finally recreate my db to get the guide working again

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alsoconfused:

Smirnov: can the frontend play recorded programs?

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Smirnov:

i dont think so... i get a black screen as soon as i go to watch tv

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mkrufky:

does anybody here know about the project to port mythfrontend to neuros osd?

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juski:

neuros?

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juski:

wth?

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Dagmar:

It's some little media center appliance

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Dagmar:

Why you'd bother putting myth on it I have no idea

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mkrufky:

just the frontend

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juski:

oh. has linux, must run mythtv on it

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mkrufky:

lol

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mkrufky:

well, i have one, but i have no idea for any proiject to add to it

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rsdvd:

Juski : LOL

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Dagmar:

mkruky: It _already has it's own frontend_

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mkrufky:

Dagmar: yeah, but its "frontend" just reads whatever recording is found on the cf disk / usb disk / whateva

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Dagmar:

No, it doesn't.

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Dagmar:

Google the thing and read about what it does

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mkrufky:

Dagmar: i think it would be pretty slick if you could turn on the osd and it would automatically connect to the backend server and present the menu

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juski:

if it doesn't have the MythCert(tm) sticker it won't work

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mkrufky:

umm, Dagmar, the thing does whatever you code it to do

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Dagmar:

I think it would be pretty slick if you'd Google before asking about things like this and AppleTV as if these "projects" actually existed

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mkrufky:

juski: :-P

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mkrufky:

damn,,,,

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alsoconfused:

Smirnov: try adding some verbose flags to the backend. e.g. mythbackend -v channel,record,file

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Dagmar:

...and you can leave off trying to tell me what hardware does.

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Smirnov:

alsoconfused: good idea, ok

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mkrufky:

i googled before joining the room, the project exists, im just wondering if anybody here knows about it

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Dagmar:

I've been able to netboot PCs for about ten years now

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mkrufky:

Dagmar: yeah everyone is an expert at something

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mkrufky:

bye people

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adante:

hi guys, what distro would you recommend for making a 'production-quality' myth box (if distro matters)

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fryfrog:

what ever you are familiar with

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juski:

oh well, that email I just received pissed me off enough for me to just delete it. people aren't entitled to have opinions

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fryfrog:

ubuntu, fedora are booth good "easy" choices

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fryfrog:

gentoo works fine, debian and even slak

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rsdvd:

juski : I hope it was nto work related

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juski:

rsdvd: 'text color' related ;)

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rsdvd:

LOL......if poeple don;t like your themes – they chould change them themselves

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juski:

well i didn't like the email so it got deleted

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rsdvd:

:-)

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juski:

fucktard

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Dagmar:

Someone complaining that white text is hogging all the screen?

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rsdvd:

LOL

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juski:

you can't edit xml files if your only experience is drawing on walls with crayons though

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rsdvd:

LOL

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jams:

Juski a total of 19 people have followed the link from my site to yours

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alsoconfused:

woohoo! livetv ran all night without freezing after changing to XvMC!

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Dagmar:

Nice

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rsdvd:

Arhhh! I have just burned the slack ISO – and the crap software has actually just copied the iso file grrrrrr!

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Dagmar:

LOL

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juski:

rofl

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juski:

thanks jams :)

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Dagmar:

rsdvd: This is why I put the effort into building my own very customized package of cdrecord/dvdrecord.

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Dagmar:

So there is _no possible way_ burning GUIs can fuck it up

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Dagmar:

I've even got a wrapper here somewhere for mkisofs so if it's given a directory containing just an iso file it will call zenity to complain

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Dagmar:

How about a weasel strapped to an egg beater?

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alsoconfused:

that sounds like Windows ME

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alsoconfused:

is there a place to set the priority (nice value) for mythcommflag?

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Smirnov:

no idea

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Smirnov:

but it records the MPG just fine, so why would it matter if there is no guide or not

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Honk:

is there any way to make mythtv delete 1month old priority +1 files instead of deleting 1hour old priority 0 files? :P

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alsoconfused:

Smirnov: i don't really know

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alsoconfused:

Smirnov: are the backend and frontend running under the same UNIX user?

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Smirnov:

....yes

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alsoconfused:

it might be clearer if the backend and frontend logs were from the same attempt, but it looks like the frontend cannot access the mpg file for some reason.

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Smirnov:

i came to the same conclusion

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alsoconfused:

Smirnov: you could try running the frontend under strace. e.g. strace -o /tmp/trace -e file -f mythfrontend

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Smirnov:

ewww....why would that help

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alsoconfused:

Smirnov: you might see a unix error on the file open

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Smirnov:

i'd say there is an error already, the fd -1

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Smirnov:

means a read failed somewhere

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alsoconfused:

i read that as an invalid file descriptor, but it doesn't tell me why

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Paladine:

hows this for really interesting news

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Paladine:

http://www.bigfix.com/softwaretruth/hearing-o . . . atements.php

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alsoconfused:

lol, i wouldn't buy a used car from that guy, never mind a multi-million dollar ERP system

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alsoconfused:

although 10000% bulletproof is hard to beat

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gberardi:

Do I need to stop the backend or frontend when installing plugins?

[17:06:43]

gberardi:

The documentation doesn't seem to mention making sure that they are not running, but I just wanted to be sure.

[17:07:58]

alsoconfused:

gberardi: most if not all plugins are used by the frontend only. if you install one while the frontend is running, it might crash.

[17:08:08]

xris:

not to install. just need to restart the frontend so they show up.

[17:11:04]

gberardi:

Ok, thanks for the info. Since I am not in front of the machine right now, I'll wait until after I get home from the day job

[17:12:29]

gberardi:

Also, I have two Hauppauge PVR-150 cards. I bought the second one after I had already installed the ivtv drivers and firmware. When I installed the second card, the drivers just worked, which was great, but I wonder if I still need to update the firmware. How would I know it is necessary other than the card going dead periodically?

[17:13:33]

Milosch:

gberardi: not sure there has been an update in awhile, but you may as well have the current version

[17:14:18]

GreyFoxx:

gberardi: Stop the and restart the frontend after installing the plugins

[17:15:50]

gberardi:

Milosch: This morning I tried to reinstall the firmware, and it said that the Hauppauge license was already on the system. Is there a way to install the firmware on the second card after the first card had already been installed?

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SeaWeed:

any running a nexus card i have some major issue with nexus not locking on channel and same will not scan to good but pop a bugget card in it works perfect i can tune to a channel and it does "partial lock" then i can exit and soon as i exit live tv

[17:16:27]

SeaWeed:

back to menu i hear the audio pop in from the nexus card

[17:16:37]

Milosch:

license?

[17:16:54]

xris:

gberardi: the hauppauge firmware isn't installed into the card...

[17:16:57]

Milosch:

i don't recal installing anything having to do with a license, oh well

[17:17:01]

gberardi:

Milosch: Yeah, I was confused by it, too.

[17:17:04]

xris:

it just lives in memory

[17:17:04]

SeaWeed:

i have tryed every thing i know to try i have upgrade mythtv several times and just cant get it to lock

[17:17:26]

alsoconfused:

xris: in the "recorded programs" section of mythweb, why doesn't "All Groups" include LiveTV?

[17:17:35]

Milosch:

i think it must be installed on the card at each driver load, else it isn't firmware, but i get your point

[17:17:39]

gberardi:

xris: Ok, that makes sense. I read somewhere else that the firmware is loaded by the driver when it loads, so presumably it just needs it installed once and any cards will get access to what it needs.

[17:17:49]

xris:

alsoconfused: because that's how the frontend does it

[17:18:29]

alsoconfused:

do you happen to know why that is?

[17:18:59]

xris:

gberardi: the firmware is used by the driver to talk to the card.. it's not a firmware file like a bios update or something. it's used every time the driver loads, and if it's not there, the cards won't work.

[17:19:10]

xris:

alsoconfused: because most people want to ignore livetv?

[17:19:20]

gberardi:

xris: Ok, thanks for the info.

[17:20:05]

alsoconfused:

xris: hmm, looking at the frontend's "select a recording to watch->all programs" i see livetv as well as scheduled recordings.

[17:20:42]

xris:

alsoconfused: maybe I misinterpreted what the frontend does, then.

[17:20:44]

Milosch:

there is a switch in the frontend for that

[17:20:51]

Milosch:

iirc

[17:20:58]

Milosch:

to also show livetv

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xris:

alsoconfused: on mine, you have to specifically enable showing livetv

[17:21:50]

alsoconfused:

i seem to recall setting that way back when. can i request that as a feature to mythweb :)?

[17:22:21]

xris:

unofficially, sure.

[17:22:31]

GreyFoxx:

Same here, LiveTV doesn't show up in All programs for me.

[17:22:33]

xris:

I can try to remember to pull that setting from the backend.

[17:22:49]

GreyFoxx:

But then I don't turn on the "Show LiveTV recordings when using All programs filter" option

[17:23:02]

Milosch:

i do because i am sort of livetv-centric

[17:23:21]

GreyFoxx:

We ditched LiveTV for the most part years ago

[17:23:32]

adante:

mmm livetv

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xris:

I just use the tv to watch live tv. heh

[17:23:44]

Milosch:

;)

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GreyFoxx:

xris: Same here for the very rare time I "need" to see it

[17:24:03]

Milosch:

my little perl script to popup reminders seems to work, but it's a piece of crap otherwise

[17:24:06]

GreyFoxx:

but that's very rare indeed

[17:24:14]

adante:

bleh i dunno guys, i like my time-shift :]

[17:24:30]

xris:

GreyFoxx: my wife still likes to watch things "when they're on"

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GreyFoxx:

adante: If it's a show I want to see, I record it, and watch it while it's recording so I can still pause/rewind

[17:25:08]

adante:

that said, don't use livetv that much.. i remember once for about 2 months i was running a build where livetv was broken, simply didn't realise because i never used it

[17:25:26]

GreyFoxx:

And it's nice skipping the commercials even while it's recording :)

[17:25:53]

adante:

xris: my family is like that.. sentimentality is strange sometimes

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Milosch:

harder to get used to when you've been watching tv for 40 years ;)

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GreyFoxx:

xris: Hehe my wife doesn't, she gets annoyed if she can jump through the commercials

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gardengnome:

re

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GreyFoxx:

if she CAN'T jump that is

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adante:

GreyFoxx: yeah, i think it's that functionality that makes peoples socks roll up and down

[17:26:49]

xris:

GreyFoxx: cable box still fails to record every once in awhile. she doesn't like waiting for the repeat broadcast to catch her shows.

[17:26:57]

GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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GreyFoxx:

Recording from analog cable here, so that's doesn't really happen unless it's on the cable providers end :)

[17:27:24]

Milosch:

yeah, my cable box likes to go to sleep, and sometimes gets stuck on ch 1 as a result

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adante:

myth has even made watching tv at friends' places more enjoyable – haven't seen any ads so they're actually interesting

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GreyFoxx:

adante: hehe

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tank-man:

ads? what are thoseS?

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gberardi:

Last night I had my first experience watching a recording and having it automatically skip ads. It was gleeful.

[17:29:47]

alsoconfused:

those are the things that make your recordings 50% bigger than they should be

[17:30:06]

gbee:

the one disadvantage of never seeing the ads is that I miss the promos for new shows – had to start reading tv guides/websites so that I get advance notice of anything worth recording

[17:30:16]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[17:30:43]

GreyFoxx:

I manually jump through commericials so I can still get a glimpse of something interesting and watch the commercial

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tank-man:

i dont read entertainment news and dont watch ads so i never know what new shows are hot and only watch reruns with no commercials, only down side for me, not knowing what new shows are hot

[17:31:17]

moh:

Is there a way to eliminate the commercials completely, e.g., when transcoding?

[17:31:23]

tank-man:

yea

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gbee:

yep

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tank-man:

if you trust the commercial detector, you can have it auto transcode mpeg2->mpeg2 and cut the commercials out automatically

[17:32:50]

adante:

last time i tried commflagging, worked a bit funny in aus

[17:32:51]

xris:

moh: create a cutlist, then transcode. they go away

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moh:

xris: Where is the cutlist created?

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adante:

have there been any large changes since.. i forget

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adante:

since maybe 0.18?

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gbee:

anyone successfully using the commflagger in the UK? been a very long time since I last tried it (0.18 iirc)

[17:33:39]

gbee:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

Tuomaz: MasterServerIP is just the value for the master, BackendServerIP is used for connecting to a specific backend to stream content from it such as livetv

[17:35:39]

alsoconfused:

adante: some big speedups since .18 IIRC. i updated from .18 to .20 recently and was very pleased.

[17:36:32]

gbee:

MasterServerIP only really applies if you are using multiple backends

[17:36:45]

kslater:

ivor or anyone else using an EPIA system – have any of you had success with getting S/PDIF passthru to work with myth .20?

[17:36:57]

Milosch:

gbee: and having it set wrong can really ruin your day

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SeaWeed:

any running a nexus card i have some major issue with nexus not locking on channel and same will not scan to good but pop a bugget card in it works perfect i can tune to a channel and it does "partial lock" then i can exit and soon as i exit live tv

[17:37:15]

SeaWeed:

back to menu i hear the audio pop in from the nexus card

[17:37:18]

SeaWeed:

i have tryed every thing i know to try i have upgrade mythtv several times and just cant get it to lock

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gbee:

SeaWeed: sounds like driver problems more than mythtv, have you tried the card with any other apps?

[17:39:08]

plb:

wow this mebo theme looks pretty nice...to bad it's only widescreen

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SeaWeed:

yes card lock on all same channels fine in vdr

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plb:

mepo rather

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Milosch:

i like Titivillus, personally

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gbee:

some of the newer themes are great – they make the core themes and those in the -themes pack look crappy

[17:40:24]

SeaWeed:

if it was not working in other apps i would have also thought drivers

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plb:

I use bluetoob atm

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Milosch:

and grey osd

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plb:

er blootube

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gbee:

I'd quite happily ditch two or three of the older themes to get mepo, blootube etc in svn instead

[17:41:15]

GreyFoxx:

I use blootube 4x3 and Gray-OSD, they make me happy

[17:41:31]

plb:

GreyFoxx, why not the blootube OSD?

[17:41:39]

GreyFoxx:

I can't stand G.A.N.T. personally

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GreyFoxx:

plb: Cause I like Gray-OSD ?

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plb:

I wish the guy who did mepo would do normal aspect as well

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plb:

GreyFoxx, ok ;]

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gbee:

SeaWeed: no clues I'm afraid, I don't have a nexus card

[17:42:07]

GreyFoxx:

blootube OSD is really nice, I just prefer mine ;)

[17:42:23]

plb:

there is a new theme I see as well...elkin

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SeaWeed:

ok that is why i was asking to see if there was any nexus users in the channel

[17:42:44]

SeaWeed:

i have tested on few box's same efect

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GreyFoxx:

elkin.... got a url? Doesn't sound familiar

[17:43:03]

SeaWeed:

But ( Bugget ) card works flawless

[17:43:22]

plb:

http://elkin.de/gallery/elkin-wide

[17:43:30]

plb:

it's also on the myth wiki

[17:43:36]

plb:

too bad it's only wide though

[17:44:32]

gbee:

I'd like to see some more inventive stuff with the OSDs – would probably involve some changes in the code, but I've noticed that many (all) themes don't use some of what is available

[17:45:09]

plb:

like what kind of stuff?

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gbee:

e.g. the OSD can display the presence of programmes before and after the current programme in the liveTV chain

[17:46:08]

Dagmar:

More skin

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: One thing I often want to see is details about what I'm watching. Like resolution, bitrate, codec, stream ID'

[17:46:19]

GreyFoxx:

s

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GreyFoxx:

etc

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gbee:

that particular one isn't too exciting, but I'm guessing there is other stuff

[17:46:42]

GreyFoxx:

I've just been too lazy to do anything about it

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gbee:

I'd like another program details OSD – one which shows more info

[17:47:14]

GreyFoxx:

except I see those more as part of the OSD menu than the OSD theme itself

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plb:

I want someone (other then me of course) to port mepo to normal aspect =)

[17:47:57]

Milosch:

bluetoob is nice

[17:48:10]

Milosch:

now, where is 'ZomeMinder' coming from?

[17:48:38]

Milosch:

nm, found it

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gbee:

think a popular application would be a wysiwyg theme designer

[17:49:13]

gbee:

but no, I don't ever plan to write that one ;)

[17:49:22]

alsoconfused:

most themes are unable to render the test for the menu options. am i missing fonts or something?

[17:49:23]

Milosch:

zmsettings.cpp

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Milosch:

zmsettings.cpp has a misspell in it...

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GreyFoxx:

alsoconfused: Sounds like it

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kslater:

when did juski do the 4:3 blootube? I thought he was only going to do 16:9?

[17:50:15]

Milosch:

or had, currently only in a comment

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GreyFoxx:

kslater: before Xmas I think, or just after ?

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quicksilver:

kslater: couple of weeks ago he changed his mind

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quicksilver:

kslater: nice man that he is :)

[17:50:38]

kslater:

cool. now I can bring it in.

[17:50:42]

quicksilver:

three cheers for juski!

[17:51:02]

kslater:

or I could just get my Sammy TV to display with a 16:9 mode

[17:51:04]

gbee:

just looked at elgin – it's nice, offers something a little different again

[17:52:25]

SlicerDicer-:

xris: you here?

[17:53:15]

gbee:

prefer the menu on the 16:9 theme – just as well all my frontends are widescreen

[17:53:22]

xris:

?

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: I am not sure but is nuvexport capable of doing wmv?

[17:54:15]

xris:

SlicerDicer-: theoretically.. though it uses the asf container

[17:54:27]

SlicerDicer-:

hmm

[17:54:37]

xris:

SlicerDicer-: actually, maybe not. looks like divx inside of asf

[17:55:03]

SlicerDicer-:

xris: I am trying to figure out how to get tv shows over to my blackjack

[17:55:13]

SlicerDicer-:

btw xris your friend still got the blackjack?

[17:55:20]

SlicerDicer-:

I found a way to extend battery life hugely

[17:56:06]

xris:

SlicerDicer-: boss, yes

[17:56:33]

SlicerDicer-:

my battery is still at full charge usually it would be 1 bar :)

[17:56:39]

SlicerDicer-:

if you want to know or if he does I will tell ya

[17:58:35]

SlicerDicer-:

xris: what you do is type in the following and yes it sounds crazy *#1546792*#

[17:58:37]

gbee:

don't think that carrying around a car battery is practical for everyone ;)

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: and what does it do?

[17:59:31]

SlicerDicer-:

that will bring up a menu select #3 network and call settings. then #4 network order then WCDMA first

[17:59:40]

SlicerDicer-:

I will explain in a moment xris

[17:59:42]

SlicerDicer-:

the rest of it

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SlicerDicer-:

select done once set to WCDMA first. Then you will see #5 network mode, select that and set it to WCDMA "note set it to GSM if you leave seattle instead of WCDMA"

[18:01:07]

SlicerDicer-:

what that does xris it stops it from flipflopping back and forth from 3G to Edge

[18:01:14]

SlicerDicer-:

by flopping back and forth it kills the battery

[18:01:52]

SlicerDicer-:

flopping around nonstop

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SlicerDicer-:

even totally losing signal while flopping

[18:02:15]

SlicerDicer-:

so by locking it to 3G I get tons more life :)

[18:02:41]

xris:

ah

[18:02:54]

SlicerDicer-:

xris: this is assuming your boss mainly hangs out in seattle. If he leaves seattle alot and goes to other major cities it should not be a probelm

[18:03:09]

xris:

poor kormoc.. still out sick

[18:03:18]

SlicerDicer-:

but if he needs his phone to work past say.. North Bend then he will need to set it back to either Auto or GSM when leaving town

[18:03:40]

SlicerDicer-:

xris: pretty slick little hax though eh? :)

[18:03:48]

SlicerDicer-:

and what a strange number to enter

[18:03:59]

xris:

most of those codes are like that.

[18:04:02]

SlicerDicer-:

yeah

[18:04:04]

gbee:

sounds like the sort of thing which should be available by default

[18:04:05]

xris:

had a much worse one to unlock my phone

[18:04:26]

SlicerDicer-:

and then xris there is password protected screens

[18:04:42]

SlicerDicer-:

the password is *#81230*#

[18:04:43]

xris:

SlicerDicer-: can you get in and change the web proxy settings?

[18:04:54]

SlicerDicer-:

I believe so

[18:05:03]

SlicerDicer-:

let me look

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SlicerDicer-:

thats actually under, Settings -> Connections -> More #7 -> Proxy -> Cingular WAP

[18:06:15]

SlicerDicer-:

I think thats what you would be looking for

[18:06:52]

SlicerDicer-:

xris: the battery improvement is substantial though

[18:06:59]

SlicerDicer-:

I would have had to charge the battery by now

[18:07:04]

SlicerDicer-:

and its still mostly full charge

[18:07:11]

SlicerDicer-:

let me look at the menu and see the actual %

[18:07:11]

xris:

cool

[18:07:36]

xris:

though it also interests me to be able to choose my own proxy... to get internet without paying cingular's data fees...

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SlicerDicer-:

yeah it says about [_____________________------]

[18:08:09]

SlicerDicer-:

that much battery is left

[18:08:17]

SlicerDicer-:

the __ is the remaining %

[18:08:49]

SlicerDicer-:

hehe xris I got the unlimited data plan :)

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mishehu:

SlicerDicer-: and I thought that was actually going to be either morse code or a game of hangman

[18:09:18]

SlicerDicer-:

I got 1mbps or so connection speed on the download with it

[18:09:20]

SlicerDicer-:

quite nice

[18:09:31]

mishehu:

the [____----] thingie heh

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SlicerDicer-:

fine let me draw the battery {___|__________] there! its the copper top

[18:10:22]

SlicerDicer-:

;-)

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: It kinda sucks that those menus are buried by cingular

[18:11:03]

SlicerDicer-:

usto be that those things were under network settings

[18:11:06]

SlicerDicer-:

easy to change

[18:11:13]

SlicerDicer-:

now you have to enter cryptic codes to get to it

[18:11:16]

SlicerDicer-:

talk about a pisser

[18:14:09]

SlicerDicer-:

anyway I thought you would find that neat xris :)

[18:14:26]

SlicerDicer-:

and now that I got it permalocked in 3G with 1mbps download I was considering transcoding things to wmv so I can watch tv shows on my phone hehe

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BULLE:

gbee: for what its worth, i havent seen a single phone here, that does not let you select wcdma/gms preference

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BULLE:

gbee: well, its umts, not wcdma, but you get the idea

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gbee:

yeah

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Tuomaz:

Seem like you can't tunnel livetv with MythTV right now.

[18:18:02]

alsoconfused:

well, my themes problem is fixed by install MS core fonts. I feel dirty.

[18:18:18]

Dagmar:

Those should have come with the packages

[18:18:33]

change008:

how can i run mythtv on a webserver and have it displayed say in the kitchen on a lcd touchscreen so the user can interact with it?

[18:18:51]

Dagmar:

change008: Hire someone to do it for you

[18:19:06]

quicksilver:

change008: myth doesn't interact terribly well with touchscreens

[18:19:07]

change008:

its for my self?

[18:19:17]

quicksilver:

change008: most people would use a remote

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alsoconfused:

Dagmar: hmm, i'm using atrpms

[18:19:30]

quicksilver:

possibly even building the remote into the wall near the screen

[18:19:38]

Dagmar:

If you have to ask about these things, you will not be able to do them.

[18:19:44]

quicksilver:

touchscreen controll is essentially mouse control

[18:19:45]

BULLE:

gbee: he, it seems wcdma and umts are kind of the same

[18:19:56]

quicksilver:

mouse control for myth is not a stupid idea, but it mostly doesn't work yet

[18:20:13]

gbee:

doesn't really affect me – I own a very basic, no frills phone by choice – I can chose between GMS and GMS ;)

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BULLE:

gbee: hehe, around here, several big phone operators doesnt even have GSM nets, they just have WCDMA/UMTS

[18:21:12]

gbee:

well I believe it can do EGMS, but I'm not on the continent very often :)

[18:21:38]

quicksilver:

well change008 sure didn't stick around

[18:22:30]

Dagmar:

quicksilver: I don't see why he would have. His idea was stillborn

[18:22:53]

Dagmar:

What he wqas asking about is not going to happen at his skill level, or anyone's skil level at the moment

[18:23:14]

xris:

Dagmar: not really.. I've heard of people using touchscreens wth mythtv... not sure what webserver had to do with anything, though

[18:23:15]

gbee:

Dagmar: makes us feel used when they don't stick around though – like we're only here to answer their questions ;)

[18:23:16]

quicksilver:

Dagmar: I resemble that remark! I have the skill to do it. Just neither the time nor the inclination :)

[18:23:39]

Dagmar:

xris: The dude said "run mythtv on a webserver" which kind of leads me to believe he knows just about zero about Linux

[18:23:47]

Dagmar:

That is kind of a massive hurdle.

[18:24:05]

Dagmar:

Clue #2 is that he didn't know touchscreens are crazy annoying to work with

[18:24:10]

quicksilver:

or about myth's network structure

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gbee:

I've briefly thought about improving the mouse support in mythtv – recently got a wireless mouse (with lots of buttons) for my laptop, would make a nice remote when I use my laptop as a frontend

[18:24:38]

BULLE:

Dagmar: and in the kitchen, i wouldnt want to see that touchscreen after a few weeks

[18:24:47]

Dagmar:

Yeah, I wasn't even going to mention that one

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BULLE:

Dagmar: cooking food and using touchscreens doesnt seem like a good combo

[18:24:58]

Dagmar:

The practicality of putting a touchscreen in a place with *food* is very very bad

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xris:

BULLE: better than food and keyboards/remotes.

[18:26:07]

xris:

at least you can wipe a touchscreen clean

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but I have yet to see a completely transparent touch display...

[18:26:26]

Dibblah:

xris: Not without preparation, you can't.

[18:26:36]

onewheelskyward:

Yeah, my keyboard is all full of nast that I can't get out without a full dissassembly.

[18:26:50]

Dibblah:

Most touchscreens have a anti-reflective coating, etc.

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Dagmar:

...and you should take a close look at the touchscreens your waiter uses at McNasty's or wherever the next time you go out to eat

[18:27:01]

Dagmar:

They wear down *hard*

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Dagmar:

The only ones I know of that don't use IR to sense yer finger near them, and they are NOT cheap at all

[18:27:32]

Dibblah:

onewheelskyward: The etch-a-sketch solution usually helps.

[18:27:32]

tyce:

is there a headless way of setting up a mythbackend yet?

[18:27:49]

Dibblah:

tyce: No, you have to use your head.

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Dagmar:

tyce: The backend has never needed a hear

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gbee:

IR? thought they used conductivity, like touchpads?

[18:28:13]

tyce:

you don't need to have X configured to run the mythtv-setup?

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xris:

tyce: not on the backend. that's what ssh is for

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quicksilver:

tyce: you can run mythtv-setup remotely

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mapu:

I have a question regarding the dct-channel "channel" program on my ubuntu box- it seems that mythtv is passing the frequency instead of the channel to it so channel changing fails.

[18:28:42]

gbee:

tyce: I run mythtv-setup over ssh

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quicksilver:

tyce: X has always been a remote graphics protocol

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Dibblah:

gbee: There's capacitive, resistive and IR. That's in cost order.

[18:28:51]

quicksilver:

tyce: just so happens that most people run it locally :)

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Dibblah:

IR is cheapest.

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Dibblah:

And worst quality.

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Dagmar:

Yep

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Dagmar:

There's an IR touch panel over a 30" TFT display here and basically, it's crap

[18:29:31]

gbee:

ahh, well shows how little I know of touchscreens

[18:29:46]

Dagmar:

It's very clear tho

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Dibblah:

Dagmar: That's because it's not there :)

[18:30:01]

tyce:

are you talking about just forwarding X?

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quicksilver:

tyce: yes

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Dagmar:

Dibblah: Yep. Just a thick piece of glass that does nothin'

[18:30:24]

tyce:

then you do need to have X installed on the backend

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quicksilver:

tyce: only the x library clients

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quicksilver:

tyce: which has got nothing to do with 'headless'

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quicksilver:

tyce: you can perfectly well have xlibs on a headless box

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Dagmar:

*hemhem* x client libraries

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quicksilver:

*nod*

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Dibblah:

tyce: Stop thinking about running with X. It's a pointless waste of good brainpower :)

[18:31:09]

quicksilver:

fingers dont' always type as I instruct them

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quicksilver:

I cut one off in the hope that the others would learn their place

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quicksilver:

but it didn't help

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tyce:

Dibblah: ?

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Dibblah:

Just install X.

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Dibblah:

Right...

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gbee:

another one

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Dibblah:

Gentoo. It leads people down the dark path of Optimisation For Optimisation's Sake.

[18:34:37]

quicksilver:

Optimisation for Fun and Attractiveness to the Opposite Sex

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Dibblah:

Uhuh. That works.

[18:35:10]

quicksilver:

Dibblah: doesn't seem to have worked yet, but I haven't lost hope

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gbee:

Dibblah: I went through a period of examining every package I installed on a machine, making sure I really needed it

[18:36:03]

gbee:

didn't last as I soon got fed up of finding things I actually did need

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gbee:

too often I'd ssh into the backend to fix/update something and find I didn't have the right tools – it was easier just to allocate an extra few mbs and do a full OS install

[18:39:40]

tyce:

I can understand that...

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tyce:

would just be nice if you could setup the cards via mythweb

[18:40:05]

tyce:

or an interface like it

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quicksilver:

tyce: what's wrong with forwarding X?

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quicksilver:

tyce: that's what the rest of us do

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kormoc:

tyce, feel free to submit patches

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quicksilver:

tyce: forwarding X gives you a good interface; the same interface you get locally

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tyce:

Im not saying there is anything wrong with that

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quicksilver:

then what is your objection?

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quicksilver:

or, what would you prefer? and why would that be better?

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quicksilver:

your initial requirement was to setup a headless backend, for which that method works

[18:44:55]

tyce:

like I said, a way of setting the card up via mythweb without setting up any un-needed libraries/packages

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GreyFoxx:

You will require Xlibs on the backend regardless

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quicksilver:

your object is installing qt on the backend?

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tyce:

Im more then happy forwarding X

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quicksilver:

I don't think you can avoid that, Qt is fundamental to myth

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quicksilver:

(not just the gui parts)

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tyce:

I was simply thinking out loud there

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Eradan:

I See tyce's point ... as i do most of my administration remotely ... and VNC is less than cooperative ...

[18:46:17]

Eradan:

It sure would be a nice feature ....

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Eradan:

Anyone had sound missing on streams ? ... for some reason i get no sound regardless of the audio codec ...

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GreyFoxx:

Eradan: What problem do you have using VNC

[18:48:18]

GreyFoxx:

Are you trying to use VNC as the X server, or using the x11vnc app to attach to another X server ?

[18:49:06]

GreyFoxx:

life is MUCH easier just using x11vnc tyo attach rather than using vnc as the x server itself

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Eradan:

GreyFoxx: don't get me wrong ... vnc works great ! ... just more or less dreaming ...

[18:52:49]

fysa:

Yeah, what's wrong with VNC?

[18:52:56]

fysa:

With my OpenSUSE 10.2, it came automagically working.

[18:53:03]

fysa:

Just connect to display :1 to get it instead of :0.

[18:53:29]

fysa:

My RAID5 performance problems are nearly solved.

[18:53:36]

Eradan:

fysa: i didn't say it didn't work ... or that anything was wrong ... i said it's less than cooperative ... ie. it's slow as hell ...

[18:53:39]

fysa:

After replacing the motherboard, CPU, RAM and SATA controllers..

[18:53:59]

GreyFoxx:

Eradan: You just need faster links ;)

[18:54:09]

fysa:

I found that the JFS media partition (1.6tb) is insanely fragmented.

[18:54:11]

Eradan:

GreyFoxx: Yes .... i agree.

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GreyFoxx:

fysa: basically a new machine ?

[18:54:22]

fysa:

yeah, exactly..

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Eradan:

Doing software raid ? or HW ?

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fysa:

and still getting 5MB/sec writes.

[18:54:31]

fysa:

get this..

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GreyFoxx:

wow, that's slow

[18:54:41]

fysa:

there are files that use 90,000+ extents on this file system.

[18:54:46]

fysa:

a 3gb file..

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fysa:

sitting right next to a 3gb file that uses 13.

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** kormoc blinks **

[18:55:04]

fysa:

I found a directory on the drive that is actually fast.

[18:55:21]

fysa:

185 MB/s writes.. which is where it should all be.

[18:55:44]

fysa:

But there are no jfs defrag tools for Linux. :/

[18:56:10]

fysa:

Software RAID-5, 6 disks.

[18:56:39]

GreyFoxx:

I've never used jfs myself to have run into any issues

[18:56:49]

GreyFoxx:

can't remember many complaints about it in here

[18:57:00]

fysa:

I'm sure it's something odd that happened..

[18:57:50]

Eradan:

raid5 4 disks 600GB XFS and i can only see ~ 100MB /sec

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kormoc:

fysa, ibm's defragfs doesn't run on linux?

[18:58:13]

fysa:

Eradan: This is all PCI Express SATA..

[18:58:28]

Eradan:

Ah ... that makes sense .. these are all UDMA 100 disks.

[18:58:41]

fysa:

I just upgraded from 4-port PCI SATA cards..

[18:59:00]

fysa:

I realized that I had 3 independent problems on the old system, and they all masked eachother..

[18:59:02]

Eradan:

They have 400G's on sale at fry's ... i was consdireing 4 of them on a PCIX controller ...

[18:59:13]

Eradan:

oh ? .. what kinda performance did you have on your old system ?

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fysa:

I never saw more than 5–10MB/sec writes — but that is all either PIO-mode or my fragmented JFS could handle.

[19:00:21]

Eradan:

Why JFS ?

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fysa:

On a fresh jfs, I would get 80MB/sec writes in burst — until the drive was sent down to PIO again, and it would drop to 10MB/sec or so..

[19:00:46]

fysa:

so I thought the problem was related..

[19:01:37]

fysa:

Why JFS? Because I tried XFS..

[19:01:47]

fysa:

and had some data loss after a few years. ;)

[19:02:49]

kormoc:

fysa, you're just using jfs, not online jfs, right?

[19:02:52]

fysa:

kormoc: I don't believe so.

[19:03:12]

kormoc:

ahh, there's tools to 'defrag' online jfs

[19:03:39]

kormoc:

but online jfs is quite spendy

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fysa:

right. just using a typical jfs1 filesystem.

[19:04:20]

_Sam--:

for regular jfs, you just use fsck in jfsutils?

[19:04:27]

fysa:

I can fsck it fine..

[19:04:29]

Eradan:

So my only fight left to my recent setup ... just in case anyone else has battled it .. is sound via mythweb streams ... for some reason i get no sound ... any ideas ? .. i've tried every audio codec ...

[19:04:35]

kormoc:

fysa, did you try copying the fragmented file and see if it fixes itself?

[19:04:35]

Eradan:

but no defrag ...

[19:04:44]

fysa:

well, I have a few ideas..

[19:05:00]

kormoc:

_Sam--, fsck is just the File System ChecK, not a defragger :P

[19:05:01]

fysa:

the guys on the jfs list seem to think that this won't really solve the problem.

[19:05:15]

fysa:

I'm going to try to free up half the space on the drive..

[19:05:25]

fysa:

oddly enough, I found a few directories on the filesystem that have good performance.

[19:05:28]

_Sam--:

there is defrag code in the jfsutils source

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fysa:

it's old, sam..

[19:05:42]

fysa:

I don't think anyone has taken the time to really make it work in Linux yet.

[19:06:17]

kormoc:

_Sam--, that's from OS2, and requires some functions that linux doesn't have

[19:06:37]

_Sam--:

how do you know so much, dammit.

[19:06:45]

fysa:

I'd really like to make a loopback fs within the jfs..

[19:06:47]

_Sam--:

"The utilities were originally ported from OS/2. "

[19:07:01]

_Sam--:

"The defrag utility

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_Sam--:

depended on an ioctl that we never got around to implementing in linux."

[19:07:06]

kormoc:

heh

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kormoc:

I've played with JFS some a while back

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fysa:

Move the files one at a time into the loopback while extending/resizing it every few gigs..

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_Sam--:

i dont know anything about filesystems, how does a journaled filesystem get fragmented?

[19:08:31]

fysa:

then once the loopback file takes up the entire size of the jfs that's there now, move everything up a few bytes so it aligns ;)

[19:08:42]

fysa:

fresh filesystem ;)

[19:09:04]

kormoc:

_Sam--, a a journaled filesystem is just a normal filesystem with a journal. The journal just keeps track of what was actively being worked on, so it doesn't need to scan/repair the entire filesystem in the event of a power loss or similar

[19:09:27]

kormoc:

_Sam--, so they can get fragmented like a normal file system :P

[19:09:45]

kormoc:

fysa, you could do the same with LVM in thoery

[19:09:56]

_Sam--:

for ext3 filesystems, e2fsck does the defragging, or not?

[19:09:57]

kormoc:

fysa, but it's still going to be a little fragmented

[19:10:02]

_Sam--:

or that is just checking?

[19:10:13]

fysa:

I think this is a by-product of having the filesystem 99% full for too long.

[19:10:18]

kormoc:

_Sam--, nope, there is no defrag util on ext3, it's just checking

[19:10:20]

fysa:

99% is still 30 gigs free..

[19:10:39]

fysa:

but that most of that 30 gigs is going to be filling in gaps.

[19:10:49]

kormoc:

_Sam--, ext2/3 attempt to keep it from getting fragmented in the first place, so if it's sucessful, it's never needed

[19:11:11]

_Sam--:

thats what i thought — i havent defragged an ext3 filesystem in years, was thikning maybe it was time :)

[19:11:11]

kormoc:

fysa, could be... thought

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_Sam--:

how do you know how fragmented your ext3 is in linux?

[19:11:24]

fysa:

filefrag

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fysa:

you can use that to see how fragmented a specific file is..

[19:11:43]

_Sam--:

what about the entire filesystem?

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fysa:

There are probably defrag tools for ext2/3 that can do that.

[19:12:05]

kormoc:

fysa, shrink your jfs by 30 gb, and then extend it by the 30 gb, that should give you a full nice block of 30 gb to use, then copy the most fragmented files, and repeat, it should defrag the files on each copy

[19:12:13]

fysa:

well, kormoc..

[19:12:34]

fysa:

if I could shrink the jfs, I would make a new jfs and keep shrinking the old one while I move files/grow the new one and all would be well.. :/

[19:12:36]

fysa:

but jfs can't shrink.

[19:12:45]

kormoc:

ooh, heh, oops

[19:12:52]

fysa:

if it could, I would probably be back at XFS by now. :)

[19:13:08]

kormoc:

fysa, it's a software raid 5?

[19:13:12]

fysa:

yeah.

[19:13:33]

fysa:

If I can't get it defragmented enough manually (copying files out/back in chunks) after freeing up a good amount of space.

[19:13:35]

_Sam--:

outside of the mythtv context of writing and deleting huge AV files ...what are the other advantages of XFS / JFS over ext3?

[19:13:38]

fysa:

I will probably buy another drive and remake it.

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** kormoc nods **

[19:14:07]

fysa:

time to start collecting 750GB drives anyway ;)

[19:14:27]

kormoc:

fysa, well, crap, I had a evil idea, but the lack of shrink support kills it...

[19:14:29]

fysa:

truthfully, I'm just happy to finally get to the root of the problem after a year of fighting.

[19:14:54]

fysa:

A sustained 185MB/s write on a clean filesystem make me very happy.

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kormoc:

fysa, well, software raid5 in new mdadm utils can grow, which means once you move your data over, you can add the old drives to the raid 5 and extend it quite huge :P

[19:16:09]

_Sam--:

from some benchmarks ive looked at, JFS for regular type server use doesnt offer much performance gain...am i wrong?

[19:16:20]

_Sam--:

vs. ext3

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kormoc:

_Sam--, depends on the setup. Usually ext3 is really slow on directorys with lots of files, but you can now enable a b-tree hash that will enable much faster ext3 access

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_Sam--:

good article about it, not that you dont know 100% of what it says.... http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388

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fysa:

kormoc, exactly. mdadm kicks all sorts of ass now.

[19:21:27]

fysa:

I was thinking of making it RAID6..

[19:21:39]

fysa:

but partitioning the 750GB drives in half.

[19:22:10]

kormoc:

hell, give then number of drives you may end up with, raid 1 + 5 would rock

[19:22:11]

fysa:

So it would work like a RAID5 array..

[19:22:34]

fysa:

A 750GB drive dies, it looks like two 320s go.

[19:23:09]

fysa:

fun things to think about, but too complex in practice I'm sure. ;)

[19:23:45]

fysa:

I will probably use the 750 as temporary space to remake the array clean..

[19:24:07]

fysa:

then replace one of the 320s with it and partition off the extra space as a junk share.

[19:24:18]

fysa:

until I can replace enough to do a resize..

[19:24:34]

fysa:

or make a second RAID5 using the extra space on the 750s as I go

[19:28:43]

fysa:

I wonder if I could run OS/2 in VMware and defrag it from there. :P

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alsoconfused:

fysa: you're just looking for trouble, ain't ya :)

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fysa:

:)

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** Milosch lost his floppies for Warp **

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fysa:

"JFS for Linux is compatible with OS/2 disk layout. In the future we

[19:30:42]

fysa:

will look at what it takes to support JFS2 layout using JFS for Linux

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fysa:

file system."

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fysa:

Sorry for the poor paste.

[19:33:51]

tha_toadman:

i have a small file system dilemma...

[19:34:10]

kormoc:

fysa, tho, one thing to watch out for, os2 isn't huge filesystem safe :P

[19:34:20]

fysa:

:/

[19:34:25]

tha_toadman:

i followed the ubuntu 6.10 mythtv guide and it calls for an XFS partition

[19:34:56]

tha_toadman:

yet according to my mythtv backend status – i only have the space that's there's as EXT3...? any ideas?

[19:34:56]

fysa:

what's your question?

[19:35:12]

fysa:

how large is the space?

[19:35:14]

tha_toadman:

how do you setup XFS

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fysa:

XFS isn't necessary..

[19:36:03]

tha_toadman:

here's my partitioning....

[19:36:14]

GreyFoxx:

tha_toadman: xfs is just the most user recommended

[19:36:20]

GreyFoxx:

not really required

[19:36:58]

fysa:

If you don't have a huge partition setup, I wouldn't worry about it. Just get Myth working.. if it's fast enough and not skipping, you should be fine.

[19:37:03]

tha_toadman:

20gb drive — 384 mb swap, 4 gb to / and the rest ~16 gb to /var/lib

[19:37:10]

fysa:

don't get tweak happy. ;)

[19:37:18]

tha_toadman:

will do fysa

[19:37:34]

tha_toadman:

but i'm losing that 16gb though...wasted space...??

[19:37:44]

fysa:

where are your recordings stored?

[19:37:58]

kormoc:

20 gb drive isn't really that much...

[19:38:05]

fysa:

I'm assuming not on that drive?

[19:38:11]

kormoc:

tha_toadman, you're having myth on a 20 gb drive?

[19:38:30]

_Sam--:

maybe he's not recording at all

[19:38:40]

kormoc:

_Sam--, myth *always* records :P

[19:38:45]

_Sam--:

not mine!

[19:38:50]

tha_toadman:

i haven't recorded but i have a few shows that i'd like too..

[19:39:10]

kormoc:

_Sam--, no, if you watch live tv, it's stored on the hard drive, it's always recording when tv is viewed over it

[19:39:17]

tha_toadman:

so EXT3 would have been sufficient then for /var/lib...?

[19:39:21]

fysa:

16gb might be enough to toy around with for a few days..

[19:39:34]

fysa:

but you probably want to get a second drive to keep your recordings on.

[19:39:35]

kormoc:

tha_toadman, you do know that you'll only be able to hold like 14 hours of tv?

[19:39:40]

tha_toadman:

yeah – i'm just starting on this – i have the box up and so far i love it! :-)

[19:39:41]

_Sam--:

i see what you're saying there...i dont do any tv tuning / watching from my myth

[19:39:53]

fysa:

he just uses mythvideo ;)

[19:40:00]

_Sam--:

mostly

[19:40:02]

tha_toadman:

kormoc: yeah – i'm really not into that much tv

[19:40:12]

kormoc:

fair nuff

[19:40:26]

tha_toadman:

only 2 shows here – 'house' and 'heroes'

[19:40:46]

tha_toadman:

maybe an occasional football game

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_Sam--:

probably easier to download them than record them :)

[19:41:21]

kormoc:

_Sam--, we don't talk or recommend anything potentially illegal in the us in this channel

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tha_toadman:

heroes...maybe – house, i wouldn't know where to find but it (unless BT) but i'm tired of that

[19:41:52]

_Sam--:

downloading programming that you pay for would be illegal?

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kormoc:

_Sam--, yes

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gbee:

kormoc:

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gbee:

err ... ignore

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_Sam--:

sorry

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tha_toadman:

i know heroes is found on nbc's website but house isn't available

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kormoc:

_Sam--, unless you mean via the apple store or nbc's website

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kormoc:

but afaik house isn't on eather

[19:42:39]

tha_toadman:

so anyway...can i add the existing 16gb to the existing setup?

[19:42:54]

kormoc:

tha_toadman, you mean you want to add it back to /?

[19:42:59]

fysa:

toadman, you can make a dir in /var/lib/ called recordings

[19:43:01]

tha_toadman:

yeah

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fysa:

and set myth to use /var/lib/recordings/ to hold everything.

[19:43:08]

_Sam--:

kormoc: i dont doubt for one sec....but why would watching a downloaded show be any different than watching a show you recorded on your own PVR?

[19:43:10]

fysa:

this will make your 16gb useful.

[19:43:16]

_Sam--:

im just trying to understand the distinction

[19:43:24]

tha_toadman:

fysa: i like that route

[19:43:34]

fysa:

file system doesn't matter as much that small — I wouldn't worry about needing xfs until you had 500gb+

[19:43:51]

tha_toadman:

oh ok

[19:44:07]

tha_toadman:

i wondered why they recommended it in the first place

[19:44:07]

kormoc:

_Sam--, honestly, in practice, none, but due to how the law is, it all matters on how you get it. by downloading it, you're not getting it from an officially licenced place, and thus, they lose money.

[19:45:41]

_Sam--:

(like i said i dont doubt you one bit — just playing devils advocate).....if ive already paid the officially licensed place for the content...why does the delivery mechanism of the content matter? im authorized to view the content

[19:46:20]

kormoc:

_Sam--, you're authorized to view it in the way originally provided, advertisements and all

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tha_toadman:

so time for the newbish question – i think it's my /dev/hda3 that isn't being used – how would i format it from the command line to make it /var/lib/recordings as an EXT3 partition for myth to use?

[19:48:01]

_Sam--:

so, kormoc, that would mean your last statement would allow me to do this: i pay directv. if i found a source online of someone who recorded the programs from directv, then according to your statement, my downloading and viewing of those shows would be acceptable..because they would be the same exact content as i pay for?

[19:48:32]

kormoc:

_Sam--, no, that's not the original way provided.

[19:49:28]

_Sam--:

viewing them later on my PVR isnt the way they were provided, either, if you look at your last statement

[19:49:38]

_Sam--:

they werent originally provided on my PVR

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GreyFoxx:

Your service with Directv gives you access to the content, via their equipment. You are allowed to make recordings (VHS history) of said content, but you are not allowed to redistribute, NOR are you allowed to access content you yourself didn't record

[19:49:51]

kormoc:

_Sam--, that's covered under fair usage, private home usage

[19:50:09]

kormoc:

_Sam--, fair usage does *not* cover sharing with others or getting out side of your own equipment

[19:50:10]

GreyFoxx:

The fact that you chose to not record something when you could have doesn't matter

[19:50:34]

_Sam--:

thanks, im not trying to be an ass — just trying to understand.

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tha_toadman:

i guess i don't get how i would have told the system to use /var/lib as an XFS system, yet the backend says theres only 4 gigs (which means it was stuffed under EXT3)?

[19:54:36]

_Sam--:

you could type 'mount' from a command prompt and see what filesystem types are mounted

[19:55:25]

tha_toadman:

ahhh that told me what happened

[19:55:42]

tha_toadman:

xfs i must have selected /home instead .. :-( bummer

[19:56:08]

tha_toadman:

_Sam: thanks

[19:56:13]

_Sam--:

sure thing...sorry.

[19:56:47]

spiderworm:

all these stupid rules... and all i want to do is watch the tube

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tha_toadman:

it happens – i'm learning :-) this was my first time around with it

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_Sam--:

tha_toadman : you are building a brand new mythtv system from the ground up?

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tha_toadman:

no – it's a recycled machine – just messing around with myth

[20:01:34]

tha_toadman:

not much in the horsepower dept.

[20:01:57]

_Sam--:

something you may want to consider for an easy mythtv install...worked for me... knoppmyth

[20:02:16]

tha_toadman:

ubuntu 6.10 with myth was ok for me

[20:02:21]

_Sam--:

i dont know if its a politically accepted solution on this channel or not...but it did work well

[20:02:34]

tha_toadman:

i tried mythdora and really didn't care for it – seemed really buggy

[20:04:20]

tha_toadman:

i like debian...ubuntu...apt...they're all things i'm comfortable with – the linux command line though, is a never-ending learning process though – that's what makes it fun (for me at least)

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Khad:

Hi

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Eradan:

Wow it's sure quiet in here :)

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** gardengnome waits for minimyth and his kernel to finish compiling **

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** Eradan screams at mytfill segfaulting ... **

[20:49:57]

jehuty:

i have a question about mythweb i got everything installed and working yet the feature through apache2 i believe that lets you download the videos recorded only lets my download at 30kbps max would this change if I tried and downloaded via FTP instead or is this just a limit by my isp since when I am connected to my homenetwork i get around 10megs/s

[20:51:10]

kormoc:

jehuty, it's a limit by your isp

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GreyFoxx:

jehuty: Nothing in mythweb prevents you from downloading at faster than 30k

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xris:

jehuty: you already said that you get 10M/s at home.. shouldn't that answer your question?

[20:51:54]

jehuty:

does anyone think that something like proftp would give me better speeds since i would be using port 21

[20:52:05]

jehuty:

instead of 443

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GreyFoxx:

jehuty: Not likely

[20:52:15]

kormoc:

jehuty, what's your isp connection speed?

[20:52:22]

GreyFoxx:

They are likely limiting your entire upstream BW, not just port 80 :)

[20:52:22]

jehuty:

its cable

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xris:

jehuty: you're paying for a certain amount of bandwidth up and down.. you're not going to get more than that.

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kormoc:

jehuty, what's your plan 6 mbit down 768kbit up?

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Eradan:

cable usually has limited upstream.

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jehuty:

its thru charter comm. and i believe so

[20:53:01]

Eradan:

usually 512kb / up

[20:53:36]

Eradan:

Anyone had issues w/ mythstream and audio on the stream ? .. i can't get audio ... no matter what codec i use ...

[20:53:40]

jehuty:

i dont get that then shouldnt i be getting higher than 30kb then when dling around 400 at least

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kormoc:

jehuty, actaully no, upstream is different then down

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xris:

Eradan: or 256

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Eradan:

True ... i have 12mb down / 1mb up :)

[20:54:30]

xris:

Eradan: just don't get kormoc talking... mr FIOS, the bastard.

[20:54:31]

jehuty:

do you think dsl would be a much better choice for mythweb purposed

[20:54:38]

jehuty:

s

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** kormoc laughs **

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Eradan:

:P ...

[20:54:46]

onewheelskyward:

dsl is always a better choise for upstream.

[20:54:50]

kormoc:

jehuty, having a better upstream is the better choice

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kormoc:

onewheelskyward, not always

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Eradan:

So nobody's had issues w/ Streaming ? .. or nobody has solved it :)

[20:55:03]

xris:

onewheelskyward: not for me it wasn't

[20:55:03]

jehuty:

true i gotta figure out what my upstream is

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Eradan:

you can test your upstream at dslreports.com

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xris:

jehuty: my guess it it's somewhere right around 512kbps

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Eradan:

that doesn't tell you what they sold you ... but it tells you what you avg

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** xris did is math wrong. listen to kormoc **

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onewheelskyward:

In my experience, DSL is a lot more stable than your average cable connection.

[20:55:40]

kormoc:

xris, the basic charter service is 386kbits down 256kbit up

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jehuty:

thanks guys

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onewheelskyward:

I'm talking about stability and latency, not pure bandwidth numbers.

[20:56:19]

Eradan:

my cable > dsl

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xris:

onewheelskyward: depends on how far you are from the CO.

[20:56:26]

kormoc:

onewheelskyward, meh, I've had better luck with cable, but it all depends on your location

[20:56:26]

jehuty:

Eradan: is mythstream working pretty well yet I mean is it stable?

[20:56:42]

onewheelskyward:

Yeah, if you're 2+ miles away from the switching station, you're kind of hosed.

[20:56:42]

xris:

onewheelskyward: I could pull max 3M/450k from DSL.

[20:56:49]

Eradan:

jehuty: i get video perfect ... but i get no audio ....

[20:57:09]

xris:

jehuty: mythstream isn't an official plugin, (nor is mythstreamtv, which is probably what you're referring to)

[20:57:50]

jehuty:

ya thats kind of what i meant

[20:57:55]

jehuty:

i heard that

[20:58:01]

onewheelskyward:

xris: what's your real-world cable upstream speed? I mean average KB/s on an upload?

[20:58:12]

Eradan:

mythstream really isn't even a package .. it's more of a frontend to VLC ...

[20:58:18]

GreyFoxx:

onewheelskyward: I get on averal 110KB

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GreyFoxx:

average sorry

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xris:

onewheelskyward: 80–100kB/s

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Eradan:

and the version in the newest knopmyth .. doesn't work very well ...

[20:58:37]

GreyFoxx:

1MB down

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onewheelskyward:

That's fscking awesome.

[20:58:51]

onewheelskyward:

I've never seen anything close to that on cable. You guys must not use Comcast. :)

[20:58:51]

xris:

onewheelskyward: it's business-class.

[20:58:58]

xris:

yup, comcast

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Eradan:

I avg ~ 1.2MB / sec ...

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onewheelskyward:

What part of the country?

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xris:

seattle

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kormoc:

onewheelskyward, my residential class cable was around 65 to 75 kB/s

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GreyFoxx:

onewheelskyward: Eastlink is my provider, (Cable co in Nova Scotia, Canada)

[20:59:19]

Eradan:

and 130KB / sec up

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xris:

onewheelskyward: cable really depends on how many other people in your neighborhood are online.

[20:59:46]

GreyFoxx:

$44.50CDN per month for 10Mbit down, 1.5Mbit up

[20:59:53]

xris:

not that many businesses in my neighborhood

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jams:

egads my sustained upstream is 40–60 KB/s

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onewheelskyward:

My dad, in Baltimore has a nice fiber connection to his house...something like 100Mbit down.

[21:00:16]

onewheelskyward:

There's a big fiber hub in Seattle. I wonder how long until they get the service there?

[21:00:21]

kormoc:

onewheelskyward, uhh...

[21:00:35]

kormoc:

onewheelskyward, I have verizon's fiber, it maxes out at 30/5

[21:00:48]

kormoc:

onewheelskyward, but normal plans are 5/2

[21:01:07]

onewheelskyward:

Hmm. My numbers must be the theoretical ones. :)

[21:01:07]

GreyFoxx:

Just 5mbit? Really ?

[21:01:08]

kormoc:

onewheelskyward, the 30/5 is around $200 a month

[21:01:23]

kormoc:

GreyFoxx, aye, it's all I need, so I'm happy enough with it :)

[21:01:30]

xris:

GreyFoxx: for $30/month or so that's pretty good

[21:01:32]

onewheelskyward:

That's half the price of a full T1. Pretty good.

[21:01:37]

kormoc:

GreyFoxx, it's $35/mo for 5/2, $45 for 15/2

[21:01:43]

jehuty:

spendy spendy

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xris:

onewheelskyward: and 15 times faster

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janneg:

kormoc: fiber to the home?

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kormoc:

janneg, aye

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Eradan:

<Eradan> I avg ~ 1.2MB / sec ...

[21:02:13]

Eradan:

<onewheelskyward> What part of the country?

[21:02:15]

onewheelskyward:

Fiber running your Internet, TV and home phone.

[21:02:29]

janneg:

we have here only fiber to the curb + vdsl with 25/5 or 50/10

[21:02:37]

Eradan:

kormoc: you get 15mb / 2mb for 45.00 ?

[21:02:39]

onewheelskyward:

If you have Verizon cell service, you can get all of it on the same bill, too.

[21:02:55]

kormoc:

Eradan, I can, aye, I currently just do 5mb/2mb for 35

[21:03:11]

Eradan:

kormoc: wow ... i thought i got a good price ... i get 12/1 for 60.00

[21:03:52]

** xris wishes he could get speeds like that for that price. **

[21:04:40]

onewheelskyward:

So do I. :) I'm in Portland, where Fiber is something you have for breakfast.

[21:04:44]

gbee:

xris: over here you can't even come close to those speeds for that price

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Eradan:

gbee: must be in europe ..

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mchou:

onewheelskyward: pdx is backwards :)

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gbee:

England

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kormoc:

onewheelskyward, it'll get there someday

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mchou:

onewheelskyward: you guys still have qwest?

[21:05:26]

onewheelskyward:

Heck yeah

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onewheelskyward:

Qwest p0wns Oregon.

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mchou:

qwest sux

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gardengnome:

darn, i get 10M/430k for 30€ and i thought it was fast ;)

[21:06:12]

mchou:

onewheelskyward: nah, there is verizon in pdx too

[21:06:28]

mchou:

onewheelskyward: but they both suck

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mchou:

onewheelskyward: no incentive to compete

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onewheelskyward:

heh. True, but Qwest's name is on my phone books, and I don't have a land line.

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gbee:

currently on 4Mb / 400Kb – in dollars, it's costing somewhere over $52

[21:07:27]

mchou:

onewheelskyward: which sector of pdx you in?

[21:07:38]

onewheelskyward:

SE, near Laurelhurst Park.

[21:07:57]

xris:

I'm paying about $105/month for 6M/768k (though it's more like 8M down).. but I get 6 static IPs with that.

[21:07:58]

mchou:

onewheelskyward: I'm a NW dude myself

[21:08:25]

onewheelskyward:

Nice! I lived there for a while. Got tired of my car getting bashed up and the break-in attempts.

[21:08:29]

gbee:

max I can get is 10Mb / 512 Kb – at over $70

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mchou:

onewheelskyward: where was this?

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onewheelskyward:

21st and Hoyt

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onewheelskyward:

Back in '02.

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mchou:

lol

[21:09:26]

onewheelskyward:

I had screwdrivers jammed in my locks, lots of cosmetic damage to the car. It was an '85 prelude, so I didn't really care.

[21:09:38]

mchou:

that's what happens when you live in the trendy places :)

[21:09:53]

onewheelskyward:

Which is funny. My car was safer when I lived in the ghetto. :)

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mchou:

even the trendy places are ghettos, they just dont realize it

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onewheelskyward:

It's more white trash than ghetto, actually.

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mchou:

place is severely depressed economically

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onewheelskyward:

I see you've been here long enough to be disenchanted. :)

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mchou:

if you dont work at Intel, Nike, or OHSU, you dont have a job :)

[21:12:05]

mchou:

onewheelskyward: nah, I work at intel

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mchou:

ok, maybe adidas :)

[21:12:20]

onewheelskyward:

You forgot Addidas. :)

[21:12:21]

onewheelskyward:

hehe

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mchou:

anyway, pdx was one giant dump

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Eradan:

So anyone doing HD playback on a native 16:9 display ?

[21:13:35]

mchou:

onewheelskyward: in fact, whole of oregon was pretty much that way. lame ass excuses for roads

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mchou:

onewheelskyward: it doesnt surprise me that James Kim died in ORZ

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mchou:

OR*

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mchou:

and the OR keystone cops couldnt find him if their lives depended on it

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onewheelskyward:

Oh, man. That's a whole other story. But yeah, most of Oregon is, well, sub-par. We own the city with the highest poverty rate in the country.

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mchou:

onewheelskyward: word

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onewheelskyward:

I just got back from a year in Eugene/Springfield. What a town.

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mchou:

onewheelskyward: onely thin Josephine County sheriffs are good for are setting up speed traps.

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mchou:

only thing*

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mchou:

onewheelskyward: lol

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onewheelskyward:

The speed traps here are pervasive. I've had 4 speeding tickets in the last 5 years.

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onewheelskyward:

In CA, my record was clean. If you aren't doing 90, they don't even see you down there.

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mchou:

onewheelskyward: consider that the "sales tax"

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onewheelskyward:

heh. Good point.

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mchou:

onewheelskyward: I kid you not

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mchou:

onewheelskyward: except that's the sales tax that also benefits the insurance companies

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mchou:

stupid ass oregonians

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onewheelskyward:

You're including yourself in that statement.

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mchou:

if they had a real sales tax instead of giving $ to insurance co. the place would actually be decent

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mchou:

onewheelskyward: I'm not an oregonian and have never been one

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mchou:

just because I lived in PDX for a few years doent make me an oregonian

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mchou:

doesnt*

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xris:

mchou: how do you not have real estate tax?

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mchou:

xris: OR has real estate tax

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mchou:

it has no SALES tax

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xris:

mchou: sorry, I misread that

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mchou:

and the local govt is always poor due to that

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DrMitch:

where did the bt878 option go for kernel 2.6.19.2 config??

[21:23:29]

mchou:

xris: yeah

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DrMitch:

anyone know?

[21:24:04]

mchou:

onewheelskyward: so you're a displaced californian?

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mchou:

onewheelskyward: I mean you dont get stressed out driving on OR lame ass alleys that they call freeways? :)

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Smirnov:

hello

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Eradan:

Hello.

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mchou:

onewheelskyward: even the roads in Mexico are better than those in OR

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xris:

mchou: visit costa rica sometime. :)

[21:27:09]

mchou:

xris: I've been to Costa Rica

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mchou:

xris: at least they dont "pretend" like OR

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xris:

heh

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jams:

man i'm bored

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Eradan:

jams: ... help me fix my stream audio :P

[21:31:08]

Eradan:

Smirnov have you tried changing the channel ? ... do you get an error message ?

[21:31:25]

Smirnov:

Eradan: i get a black screen right away and it kicks me out to the main myth menu

[21:31:26]

Eradan:

Smirnov: you may try tuning a channel manually .. it may be that in mythtv-setup you didn't select a start channel ...

[21:31:46]

Eradan:

Smirnov: did you setup the tuner in mythtv-setup ? and the input and channel lists ?

[21:32:08]

Smirnov:

channel lists?

[21:32:34]

Eradan:

Smirnov: in mythtv-setup you have to setup all 4 sections ... or you won't be able to tune TV ...

[21:32:36]

Smirnov:

yes I have that I think

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Smirnov:

when I go to channels i get a list of all the cable channels

[21:33:13]

Smirnov:

I have my input setup /dev/video0 (Tuner) for PVR-150

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jams:

hey xris got some spare time, wanna take a peek at the system I have been working on?

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Smirnov:

and video sources from zapit

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jmblack:

hrm, can someone link me to docs on howto get a hauppauge pvr150 usb IR reciever working? IM having a terriable time finding docs that cover the USB reciever instead of the older 'built into the card' version

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xris:

jams: I have enough time to peek at something, but not much more

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mchou:

gah, I need a nap

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mchou:

brain no longer functioning

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Smirnov:

can anyone help me , my black screen problem isnt going away

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Smirnov:

i can watch TV with mplayer on /dev/video0.. but myth no

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Milosch:

maybe you're switched to the svideo input?

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Smirnov:

?

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Smirnov:

i get a second desktop on my TV

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Smirnov:

unless it matters what desktop you run it in.

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xris:

Smirnov: which version of mythtv?

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Smirnov:

0.20-

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Smirnov:

im gonna try to watch some recorded videos, which folder do i drag those to

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onewheelskyward:

mchou: I grew up outside of DC, moved to LA for a few years, then landed in OR. I've been playing follow the jobs.

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xris:

Smirnov: drag?

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Eradan:

Smirnov: just watch them from /myth/tv using mplayer

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xris:

generally, the recorded shows are listed under mythtv's recorded shows

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Eradan:

you can record but no tune ?

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xris:

Eradan: assuming he put them in /myth/tv and not somewhere like /var/videos

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kormoc:

Smirnov, which ever folder you told mythvideo to use

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Smirnov:

i didnt tell it anywhere...

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Smirnov:

its default install

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kormoc:

Smirnov, then look, under the frontend settings, there's a setting for it

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xris:

Smirnov: default install asks

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Smirnov:

anyways, when i go to "watch tv" i get a black screen.. can anyone help?

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Eradan:

xris: true

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xris:

Smirnov: always? happens for me the first time I try to watch, but I esc and go back and it works

[21:52:57]

Smirnov:

xris: wtf

[21:52:59]

Smirnov:

OMG

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Smirnov:

it works

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Smirnov:

except its super slow

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xris:

Smirnov: my black screen is an xv problem.

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Smirnov:

hm

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Smirnov:

is it just gonna be like this the first time i run myth front end?

[21:54:24]

Smirnov:

and why is it running super slow and my computer is all laggy

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xris:

Smirnov: the black, maybe.

[21:54:43]

xris:

the slow is caused by something else, though

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xris:

what kind of tuner card?

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Smirnov:

it was fine yesterday when i was running mplayer directly

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Smirnov:

pvr-150

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Eradan:

stats on the PC ? ..

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Smirnov:

amd 64 3500+ 2 gb ram 6800 gt

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Eradan:

Just checking, i had a friend try an air2pc on a p3 600 w/ 256m ram ... wondering why he couldn't cap 1080i

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Smirnov:

lol

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Smirnov:

im doing SD

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Smirnov:

nothing fancy

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Eradan:

try seeking back a few seconds ... letting the audio / video resync .. that works for me sometimes.

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Eradan:

My main playback system on the PJ has about the same stats as yours and until i got the Nvidia Hardware acceleration working i couldn't even play back 720p :(

[21:58:52]

Smirnov:

xris: erm, now i rebooted mythfrontend and its not working anymore

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xris:

Smirnov: odd

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Eradan:

what i'm really annoyed w/ now ... is the aspect ratio chnage on a native 16:9 display .. i think i'm going to have to secify my blackback size on that box ... cause it puts everything in 2:35:1 :(

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xris:

Eradan: define the aspect in your xorg.conf

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Eradan:

xris: i have the modeline setup for the native WS rez ... is that what you mean ?

[22:04:18]

Eradan:

xris: i get pixel mapped 1:1 rez now .. which took some fun :)

[22:06:04]

xris:

Eradan: no. there's another setting where you specify the aspect ratio of the pixels

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Eradan:

xris: i'll have to find that ...

[22:06:23]

xris:

DisplaySize

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xris:

hmm, and I think mine may be incorrect

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Smirnov:

xris: so whats the deal with this, can i fix xv?

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xris:

Smirnov: I don't know enough to help you past this point, sorry

[22:14:36]

Smirnov:

what are you supposed to use to watch an xvid file?

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Smirnov:

Media Library > Watch Videos? except it says 'no files found'

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Hoxzer:

xine or mplayer

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Hoxzer:

Smirnov: you have to set path for video files

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Smirnov:

i'm 90% sure its /share/Movies/dvd

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Hoxzer:

ok, have you scanned it?

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Smirnov:

scan it?

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jams:

scan it = use video manager

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Smirnov:

ah

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Smirnov:

weird that you have to d that

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Paladine:

wow, this is a fucked up tv show title if I ever saw one

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Paladine:

CuraÈºao

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Smirnov:

is there anything I can try besides xv to use for with myth tv? ??

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xris:

Smirnov: there isn't anything but xv

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xris:

unless you don't want to run X

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Smirnov:

xris: argh.?

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xris:

Smirnov: is it still all-black, or just slow?

[22:35:49]

Smirnov:

that was a one time thing

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Smirnov:

its back to all-black now

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gardengnome:

you can start mythfrontend like "NO_XV=1 mythfrontend" and it won't Xv. it'll be slow, though.

[22:36:21]

Paladine:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/C . . . 9?hub=Canada

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Smirnov:

xris: ok its working at the moment again

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Smirnov:

but now its slow

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xris:

Smirnov: what does top say about cpu usage?

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Smirnov:

99% for ivtv-enc-vbi

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Smirnov:

ok i lied

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Smirnov:

72% for ivtv-enc-vbi, 13% for mythbackend, 6% for Xorg, and 6% for mythfrontend

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Smirnov:

why oh why in the hell would it take 70% for the tv tuner to stream video

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xris:

Smirnov: why is ivtv taking up 72%? should only be like 2%

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xris:

unless you're doing something weird like piping through ffmpeg

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GreyFoxx:

several people have mentioned vbi causing issues lately

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Smirnov:

ok tahts better

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Smirnov:

my computer needed a restart for some reason ?

[22:50:36]

Smirnov:

now im not getting any sound

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Smirnov:

or at least its very very quiet

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Smirnov:

hm, my entire sound llooks to be gone

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IamEthos:

why is mythbackend running at 99% cpu when it's not doing anything?

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slowone:

its bored?

[23:00:19]

xris:

IamEthos: maybe it crashed? maybe it IS doing something?

[23:00:19]

Smirnov:

lol my sound is completely gone now. wtf

[23:00:31]

xris:

Smirnov: time for another reboot?

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IamEthos:

xris, let me restate that.

[23:00:43]

Smirnov:

xris: this isnt windows, why should i have to reboot

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IamEthos:

why is mythbackend doing something when I haven't told it to?

[23:00:50]

IamEthos:

and what the heck is it doing?

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Smirnov:

i rebooted last time incase there was heating problems

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slowone:

have you checked the log file?

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xris:

Smirnov: because sometimes it's easier to reboot than spend hours trying to diagnose/fix the issue.

[23:01:29]

BULLE:

IamEthos: write a question, on a small piece of paper, and open the harddrive, then put note there, wait untill tomorrow, and the system-gnome should have seen the note, read it, and written an answear

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xris:

IamEthos: restart the backend, see if it still uses that much cpu

[23:01:52]

BULLE:

IamEthos: or, you can check the logs, use lsof to see what files it are using

[23:02:03]

BULLE:

IamEthos: even connect gdb i guess, to see what it is doing

[23:03:26]

onewheelskyward:

IamEthos: I would enable 'all' logging in the backend conf and restart. That willgive you some insight into what's going on.

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Smirnov:

xris: hah.. sure

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GreyFoxx:

IamEthos: Any chance you have an xbox360 on your network ?

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IamEthos:

onewheelskyward, thanks, I was just going to say, I have nothing logged before my restart since noon

[23:05:21]

IamEthos:

GreyFoxx, I live in a college reshall

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IamEthos:

so I'm sure there is

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IamEthos:

*res hall

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GreyFoxx:

IamEthos: There was a problem where xboxb360's would send some buggy SSDP upnp notifies and we didn't handle it gracefull causing 100% usage in the backend

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IamEthos:

GreyFoxx, does xbox pick on mythtv?

[23:06:19]

GreyFoxx:

You can either update mythtv to a newer version of -fixes

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GreyFoxx:

or runn it with --noupnp assuming your version is new enough for even that

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Smirnov:

what in the world

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Smirnov:

why is my ivtv-enc-vbi running with 70% cpu ?!

[23:07:17]

GreyFoxx:

Smirnov: I believe that is a ivtv bug, they've mentioned it on the ivtv lists

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IamEthos:

GreyFoxx, I have 0.20.20060828–3

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IamEthos:

does that support --noupnp?

[23:07:46]

GreyFoxx:

I disabled vbi in myth and after reloading ivtv to stop it here

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GreyFoxx:

IamEthos: Nope

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IamEthos:

damn

[23:08:06]

IamEthos:

I'd prefer not to upgrade past the Arch repositories.

[23:08:06]

Smirnov:

GreyFoxx: hmm... ok.. how would I do that

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IamEthos:

is that version out of date?

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GreyFoxx:

Smirnov: In mythtv-setup, set VBI type to "none"

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IamEthos:

is there a different current stable version?

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GreyFoxx:

then reload the ivtv modules

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Smirnov:

GreyFoxx: whats VBI and how do I reload the ivtv modules?

[23:08:42]

GreyFoxx:

IamEthos: 0.20 release is the latest "release"

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GreyFoxx:

0.20-fixes is what you need

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GreyFoxx:

Smirnov: If you don't know how to reload a module, I can only suggest reboot, then go to google and learn about linux kernel modules :)

[23:09:24]

IamEthos:

GreyFoxx, okay, so should I be going after the maintainer of mythtv for arch for not having the fixes in the repo though?

[23:09:47]

GreyFoxx:

IamEthos: That's between you and that person

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Smirnov:

GreyFoxx: ok i reloaded it

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Smirnov:

GreyFoxx: couldve just told me about modprobe -r heh

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IamEthos:

Smirnov, but will you ever forget it now?

[23:15:43]

Smirnov:

guess not

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Smirnov:

you couldve told me to man modprobe too

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IamEthos:

also, rmmod works too

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Smirnov:

i only thought modprobe was for loading now i know better

[23:16:18]

Smirnov:

but anyway... my video is fine now... but i get no sound in myth

[23:16:22]

IamEthos:

i believe rmmod works.

[23:16:30]

Smirnov:

if i mplayer my /dev/video0 i _do_ get sound . wtf?

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kormoc:

Smirnov, raise the volumn in myth?

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Smirnov:

how

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kormoc:

]

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Smirnov:

ok

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kormoc:

during playback

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Smirnov:

that doesnt do anything

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Smirnov:

im in Live tv i think

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kormoc:

there should br

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kormoc:

check the keys.txt file

[23:23:47]

GreyFoxx:

look at the output of mythfrontend when playback starts

[23:23:54]

GreyFoxx:

does it complain about the audio device ?

[23:24:10]

GreyFoxx:

Maybe you need to change it in the frontend setup

[23:24:24]

ShiftyPowers:

anyone know how to make sure my sound card gets loaded as the first audio device each time

[23:24:29]

ShiftyPowers:

sometimes when i reboot my htpc

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ShiftyPowers:

some other audio capture device takes card 0

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ShiftyPowers:

which means i have to rejigger my .asoundrc

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ShiftyPowers:

pain in the ass

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Smirnov:

ok my volume is 100%

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Smirnov:

but thers no volume

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Smirnov:

GreyFoxx: ok ill check, frontend setup... inside the front end?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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Smirnov:

it just sys

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GreyFoxx:

try changing myth to use alsa

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GreyFoxx:

so the output device try ALSA:default

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GreyFoxx:

and set the mixer to default

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Smirnov:

GreyFoxx: /dev/adsp ?

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GreyFoxx:

"ALSA:default"

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GreyFoxx:

and "default" for the mixer

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Smirnov:

doesnt live tv use OSS anyway?

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Smirnov:

GreyFoxx: where are you finding this

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GreyFoxx:

Smirnov: Type it in

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Smirnov:

i went to Utils/Setup -> Setup -> General

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GreyFoxx:

Smirnov: For recording, not for playback

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GreyFoxx:

and it only uses it for recording from bttv devices

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Smirnov:

bttv?

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GreyFoxx:

framegrabber capture cards

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Honk:

what's the easiest way to delete a complete recorded series from mythtv? =)

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Smirnov:

GreyFoxx: ok. so what screen do you want me to go to, i cant find it in the General screen

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Honk:

(so that i dont have to go through menu, downdowndown delete, down yes i'm sure 66 times :P

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GreyFoxx:

Smirnov: Frontend, setup->General, 3rd screen

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GreyFoxx:

"Audio output device" and "Mixer Device"

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Smirnov:

ok

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Smirnov:

found it

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Smirnov:

ok

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Smirnov:

i typed ALSA:default and default

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Smirnov:

but now its much quieter than if i play through mplayer

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Smirnov:

any way to make it louder?

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GreyFoxx:

Use the volume up key?

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Smirnov:

its at 100%

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GreyFoxx:

You can also set a volume on that same audio setup screen

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GreyFoxx:

and failing that increate it at the driver level with alsamixer I think

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Smirnov:

ok i set both sounds to 100%

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Smirnov:

now i have to set my tv volume to 50% to get a moderate volume

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Smirnov:

does that sound right..?

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GreyFoxx:

There is no right or wrong

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GreyFoxx:

you tweak to your own comfort levels

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GreyFoxx:

There is also a volume you set in the recording profile for audio levels as well

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Smirnov:

ok

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Smirnov:

i guess i just have to fix this overscan issue now

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Smirnov:

why cant i find that under apperance :-|

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Honk:

cuz it's under tv playback :P

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** Honk hides **

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GreyFoxx:

well, myth has a few options, but voerall overscan is realy controlled by the video driver

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Milosch:

argh, glx killing me

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Eradan:

any trick to having myth look at your caps and re-add to the database ? .. i had to restore mysql to a previous backup .... and a few shows are no longer in the database :(

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serer:

got a question for you all... where does myth store its autorecords??

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serer:

in the autoexpire list I have about 15 shows that will not delete (over 3 days old, and autoexpire is set for 1 day) and I cannot find em anywhere

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serer:

It even shows that out of 705GB, I have used 35GB

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serer:

and there is nothing on the /video partition

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Sembiance:

Anyone here run HDHomeRun boxes?

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ssstormy:

hello, I'm trying to get mythtv to auto-import cutlists made by the ad scanner, and then transcode

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Paladine:

hmm thats weird

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Smirnov:

ok i cant figure out how to make the black bars on top/bottom to disappear

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ssstormy:

however, while I have auto transcoding (seemingly) all worked out

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Smirnov:

am i supposed to set the vertical overscan to positive or negative

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Paladine:

according to channel 5 30th Jan is supposed to be the start of CSI vegas and CSI new york

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ssstormy:

I cannot get the cutlist to import BEFORE auto transcoding happens (I run it as user job #1)

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Paladine:

but I can only find vegas in the epg

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ssstormy:

any help or ideas for autoimporting the cutlist before autotranscoding

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Smirnov:

I set my vertical overscan to positive, but it keeps making the video output smaller...wtf?

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LNX3mpyr:

hi

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LNX3mpyr:

I am about to select parts for a computer

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LNX3mpyr:

and specifically I'd like to have that feature for two channels simultaneously for two different rooms

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Milosch:

what kind of signal?

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kormoc:

LNX3mpyr, analog cable?

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crudpuppy:

great, mythfilldatabse says its createing two connections then it just stops and shoot mysqld to 100% usage

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LNX3mpyr:

Time Warner

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LNX3mpyr:

Cable

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kormoc:

LNX3mpyr, analog? digital? HD?

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