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Wednesday, January 17th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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stuarta:

SteveH: that's a symptom of the default mysql5 behaviour

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WattoDaToydarian:

stuarta: I'm just going to post the informaion in the ticket

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stuarta:

okay, i'm off anyway. sleep is required...

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** SeaWeed basic linux ? can some 1 tell me how to kill power saver fetures in deb my monitor goes black after about 5 mins i preffer to stay live all time **

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SeaWeed:

i dont have no gui installed

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GreyFoxx:

adante: I've used it for like 2 minutes :)

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adante:

SeaWeed: dpms

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SeaWeed:

yah

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SeaWeed:

i tryed those ( xset dpms )

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adante:

GreyFoxx: hm, worked all good for you? did it require configurationg (i can't find any docs on how to configure it)

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SeaWeed:

But Dont seem to retain setting on reboot

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GreyFoxx:

adante: Yeah didn't have to do anything

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kormoc:

SeaWeed, right, you need to run it every boot or edit your xorg.conf and set it there

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SeaWeed:

hum ok

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GreyFoxx:

though at this point it's just streaming the regular recording from the backend , not transcoding to lower bitrates or anything

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SeaWeed:

kormoc thanks ill look in xorg

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adante:

GreyFoxx: hmm, when i click on the link, it 404's me with this error: The requested URL /mythweb/mythweb.pl/pl/stream/1508/1168991820.asx was not found on this server.

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SeaWeed:

i did see this option in xorg ( Option "DPMS" )

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SeaWeed:

kinda hard to watch tv and screen goes blank every 5 minutes

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SeaWeed:

lol

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adante:

GreyFoxx: obv the url is being rewritten a bit off.. that's one thing.. but if i try to access /mythweb/stream/1508/1168991820.asx (i guesssed, this is what the url it is supposed to be)

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adante:

GreyFoxx: it says "An unknown module was specified"

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GreyFoxx:

adante: I believe it's support to have the mythweb.pl and such in it

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adante:

GreyFoxx: sorry say again, i don't quite follow

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GreyFoxx:

adante: The link it suppose to be the mythweb.pl/pl/stream etc etc

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xris:

adante: you're running svn, right?

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xris:

(rhetorical question)

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adante:

xris: yep

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xris:

have you followed the new INSTALL file and apache conf?

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briand:

/usr/bin/xset -dpms

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briand:

# Disable screen saver

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briand:

/usr/bin/xset s off

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adante:

xris: yes, didn't seem to have much details

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xris:

(also rhetorical, since you obviously missed something, probably in the <Directory> tag)

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adante:

xris: yeah, i put those in, it was like the only reference to the streaming

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xris:

adante: put what in?

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xris:

is streaming the only thing that's broken?

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adante:

xris: yeah, everything else works

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xris:

something's off in your config, then. you have an extra /pl/ in that path

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GreyFoxx:

xris: Can you prepend the username/passward to the stream url? I know the username is detectable, but not sure about the password

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xris:

should just be mythweb.pl/stream/...

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adante:

xris: the contents from mythweb.conf.apache i put directly into my /etc/apache2/httpd.conf

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xris:

GreyFoxx: I couldn't find any players that actually supported it.

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xris:

adante: after modifying it, correct?

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xris:

GreyFoxx: there are new tweaks to specifically disable auth on stream URLs

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xris:

it seems to work well enough

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GreyFoxx:

xris: vlc does

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GreyFoxx:

http://user:pass@ip/pl/stream/etcetc

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GreyFoxx:

I haven't tried it under wmp

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adante:

xris: i modified the directory to point to the right place.. can't remember if i did anything else

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GreyFoxx:

brb, I'll try it

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adante:

xris: was i supposed to?

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xris:

adante: oh, wait, GreyFoxx just reminded me that the /pl/ is supposed to be there. hmm...

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xris:

adante: just need to make sure the directory stuff is ok. the rest should work fine.

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xris:

you have mythweb.pl in the directory and executable?

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adante:

xris: yes

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GreyFoxx:

xris: wmp gives me an error, but vlc works fine

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GreyFoxx:

there has to be a way to give wmp some auth info

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adante:

xris: i symlinked /var/www/http/mythweb to -> /usr/src/mythtv/mythplugins/mythweb.. is this possibly a problem (previously this has worked ok)

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xris:

adante: it can be, yes.. some of the rewrite stuff can sometimes break

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xris:

adante: look in the conf file down around line 144

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xris:

GreyFoxx: xine and mplayer both fail with auth, too.

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xris:

that's why I just added the conf stuff to get around it.

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adante:

humm ok, i'll juggle some directories and get back..

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adante:

xris: that seems to have done it – thanks!

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xris:

adante: ot'

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xris:

it's because apache is aware of symlinks and actually treats them differently

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adante:

righto

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jclark12:

can anyone here answer a ??? for me

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jclark12:

hello

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jclark12:

it is a simple one

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jclark12:

please

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kormoc:

you could just perhaps ask

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kormoc:

insane I know, but typically that's how it's done

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jclark12:

ok...can use use MCE's remote with mythtv

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kormoc:

yes

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jclark12:

just trying to be polite

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kormoc:

polite might have been asking to ask on one line, not 4

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tcpsyn_:

jclark12, IRC is a funny place.

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kormoc:

when you type so many short lines, it's considered bad form

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adante:

in soviet russia, irc talks on YOU

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jclark12:

you guys think myth better than MCE

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tcpsyn_:

I just prefer linux over windows in any respect.

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SeaWeed:

I seconf that

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gbee:

wouldn't be here otherwise, would we? :)

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SeaWeed:

second

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jclark12:

I would like to switch to something else...but I dont want to install XP vs. MCE can i have myth and mce running or can i kill MCE

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kormoc:

MCE is windows

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jclark12:

I know but I hate it

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jclark12:

OS

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kormoc:

no

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kormoc:

myth runs on linux

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jclark12:

cant run on windows

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jclark12:

any good sites you can point me to for a linux newbee

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tcpsyn_:

#linuxpeople

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kormoc:

might want to pick up a few books

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jclark12:

there are so many versions out there...I also will want to hack my PS3..anyone done that yet

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slowone:

find out if there is a local 'linux user group' it can be a valuble resource for help...

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tcpsyn_:

jclark12: join the #linuxpeople channel. They can help in there.

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slowone:

they might beable to help stear you twords a falvor choice that several of their members would be willing to help with

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RacerX2oo3:

jclark, its not as hard as it initally sounds. You may want to check out KnoppMyth which attempts to configure everythign in one shot

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RacerX2oo3:

it also helps if you have a second PC to use as a project PC until you get the hang of things

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toad_:

a large number of recordings in Watch Recordings are greyed out, and when i try to play them it says the file does not exist. any ideas as to reason/how to fix?

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kormoc:

toad_, don't delete them outside of myth?

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toad_:

i deleted one file outside of myth so far, and that definitely did not correspond to any of my recordings in that screen

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toad_:

is it possible there was some sort of problem with transcoding, and the database didn't get updated somehow?

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kormoc:

toad_, well, myth doesn't feel they exist on the disk anymore

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kormoc:

toad_, could be, yes

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dilano:

lemme check... one sec

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adante:

toad_: just fyi you should be able to tell which recordings don't have files fairly easily in mythweb by viewing recordings – the culprits a 'B' in the filesize field

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toad_:

a "0" in the filesize field in the database?

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dilano:

<--- rebooting now

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toad_:

in Watch Recordings they are greyed out so it is easy to tell

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adante:

dunno about the database, mythweb shows it as B

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adante:

toad_: hmm.. interesting.. they only show up as greyed out for me after i try to play them

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dilano:

I also notice that if upon mythfrontend exit (after it tels me I cannot watch tv bcause (are you sure the backend is running?) if I try to do a mythbackend, I get dvb0 is busy.. thats why i have to do a /sbin/service mythbackend stop.

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CyberKnet:

booted up the xbox today with the Xfedora disc in... look like the hdd went somewhat kaput.

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CyberKnet:

:|

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dilano:

slowone: what am I looking for after that command??

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dilano:

I see 2 very long lines

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slowone:

one of the lines should be the program running

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slowone:

something wtih text like: /usr/bin/mythbackend --daemon --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --pidfile /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend.pid

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toad_:

hmmm these are all channels which i have got sometimes...

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slowone:

will be some nubmers infront of that line

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toad_:

i have a perfect or pretty much perfect signal on most channels now, yet i still get failed recordings

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dilano:

yes

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dilano:

that is posted

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dilano:

running as root

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slowone:

does looking at http://localhost:6544 also show goodness?

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dilano:

root 2002 0.0 0.5 303412 10748 ? SsL

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slowone:

(with a web browser)

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dilano:

on the mythbox? or seperate puter?

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adante:

toad_: running multiple tuners?

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toad_:

adante: one tuner

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slowone:

on the mythbox

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dilano:

unable to establish connection to server at locationL localhost:6544

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adante:

toad_: hm, in that case ya got me i'm afraid, maybe it isn't a tuner problem after all

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toad_:

two of these failed recordings are from BBC Parliament, i'm reasonably sure i get that; i'm 100% sure i've had bbc news 24 recently...

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toad_:

i can understand it with things like oneword maybe...

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dilano:

now if I do a /sbin/service mythbackend stop, then run a mythbackend... it all shows up

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slowone:

'netstat -ln |grep 6544' (on the mythbox)

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slowone:

somethings not happy on your bootup

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dilano:

:)

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adante:

what distro dilano?

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mkrufky:

may i make a suggestion? the problem that dilano is describing reminds me of the same problem that I had when i built my first mythbox ..... i bet he setup the backend by running mythtv-setup as root, now he is running mythfrontend, but as normal user... there are probably 2 different setups on the machine..... notice how when he runs mythbacklend as normal user it all works for him

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dilano:

lemme reboot

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slowone:

what distro are you useing and are you trying to start up myth before you bring up networking?

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toad_:

adante: well a hardware problem is the obvious thing, but what sort of hardware problem? i have a high gain tv aerial on the roof connected to the isolator connected to an amplifier connected to the computer...

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adante:

toad_: best bet is to log the output of the backend and see what comes out

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toad_:

and recent recordings have either been perfect or had a very small number of glitches

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dilano:

Distro: Fedora Core 6

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dilano:

where can I check to see when its calling the mythbackend

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** toad_ has backend logs... **

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kormoc:

toad_, weather can cause signals to disappear for a little

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dilano:

and thanks so far for the help

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dilano:

and I prolly ran mythtv-setup as root (smacks head)

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toad_:

kormoc: hmmm, maybe that's it

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mkrufky:

correction to my above suggestion .... i think the problem might be caused because dilano might have run mythtv-setup as non-root, but the backend itself is being started by init, running as root

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slowone:

try mkrufky's solution ;p

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dilano:

hmmmm

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toad_:

in some cases it's an entire series though

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mkrufky:

so yeah

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dilano:

just rebooted... and its now working just fine

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toad_:

repeated at different times on the same channel

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toad_:

and they were all lost

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** kormoc shrugs **

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toad_:

explanation for that may be independant: i don't get that channel

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mkrufky:

working fine now?!? murphy's law

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toad_:

whereas for channels i mostly get it might be weather

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kormoc:

I have dish and once in awhile I miss a show here and there

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dilano:

just rebooted twice... both times its popped right up :(

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mkrufky:

how many times did you run mythtv-setup today :-P

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dilano:

this whole day... problems upon startup... now no problems

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toad_:

kormoc: but myth will still create the database entry, so it won't rerecord it until i manually delete it?

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dilano:

2 times.. both as user, not root

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kormoc:

toad_, for a failed tune, yes

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** toad_ suggests that is a minor bug **

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dilano:

I guess it was waiitng until I came here for help... then it prolly just laughed at me and got its acto together ((shakes fist at box!!))

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dilano:

oh well

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toad_:

hmmm

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dilano:

mkrufky, how did you fix your problem?? and don't tell me that you re-did your box

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toad_:

it seems to start to record it

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toad_:

then it gets a lot of decode errors

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toad_:

is that what you'd expect for a failed tune?

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mkrufky:

dilano: i fixed my problem by re-running mythtv-setup, and entering the username / password / ip address for the mysql server

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toad_:

it only stops recording at the end time of the program

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mkrufky:

dilano: (but this was over a year ago)

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mkrufky:

err, nah... more like 6 months

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toad_:

invalid mb type in I Frame at 15 19, ac-tex damaged at 9 20, skipped MB in I frame at 29 34, Warning MVs not available

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toad_:

that sort of stuff

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toad_:

comparing it with one that worked ... i see

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toad_:

it should have lots of other lines that aren't there in the failed recording

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toad_:

2007-01–16 14:40:48.434 Expiring The Record from Thu Jan 11 04:00:00 2007, 806 M

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toad_:

Bytes, free space is too low (have 3104 MBytes free , but want 3105 MBytes)

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toad_:

oooh

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dilano:

hmm.. that was the firts thing I checked when i ran it.... everything checked out the same since the beginning :(

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dilano:

*first

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toad_:

no, the expiry seems to have been handled correctly

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dilano:

cause that was the first thing on my list to check

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mkrufky:

so long as the both username that is running the backend and the username that is running the frontend have each done mythtv-setup to point to the correct master backend server and mysql server, all should be ok

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dilano:

nope... my script calls for it to be run in user mode

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mkrufky:

huh? which script?

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dilano:

my startup script

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mkrufky:

startup script for mythbackend?

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dilano:

calls the frontend, resets my nvidia settings, disables the screensaver and DPM

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mkrufky:

ah

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dilano:

no, mythbackend is set to autostart

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mkrufky:

lol

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mkrufky:

then it is started by root, trust me

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mkrufky:

anyway, i think you fixed the problem by doing mythtv-setup

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mkrufky:

i think you no longer have a prpblem

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dilano:

via: /sbin/chkconfig mythbackend on

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mkrufky:

now you should celebrate, by recording american idol (dont do it)

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mkrufky:

:-)

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dilano:

no, wife is watching as we speak ;P

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dilano:

makes me sick

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mkrufky:

me too, but im recording it anyway cuz my friend asked me too :-(

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mkrufky:

i might be doomed to watch it with her

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dilano:

yikes!

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dilano:

at least have it set to auotskip commercials

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mkrufky:

...or maybe mytharchive will come to my rescue

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dilano:

save you some time :)

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dilano:

now I want to enable my 3rd tuner... (2nd input on my pvr500) should i run mythtv-setup as root, or user?

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toad_:

hmmm

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mkrufky:

it applies to the backend, so run as root

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toad_:

it looks very much like since some time last week i can no longer receive certain channels

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mkrufky:

frontend doesnt care what tuner hardware you're using

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dilano:

gotcha

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toad_:

that is, stuff recorded successfully before time T, and doesn't after

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mkrufky:

what's youre #1 tuner? (just curious)

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toad_:

i only have one tuner

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toad_:

that's a cinergy 1400

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mkrufky:

^^ --> dilano

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toad_:

the input signal goes through a belkin isolator and also a signal booster

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toad_:

some time last week (or was it the week before?) we had some really nasty corruption...

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toad_:

which resulted in me installing the booster

[01:27:23]

dilano:

#1 is a pcHDTV3000

[01:27:28]

mkrufky:

ah, nice

[01:27:30]

toad_:

it all started because we had to lengthen a cable.. replace it with a longer one

[01:27:34]

dilano:

2 is my 1st input on my 500

[01:27:35]

mkrufky:

thats the only QAM card that i DONT have

[01:27:38]

toad_:

hmmmmmmmmmmm

[01:27:53]

toad_:

s/because/when

[01:27:54]

toad_:

?

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dilano:

ok, another question.... I was recording a show earlier on cable today...

[01:28:11]

toad_:

but.... the channels we do get, we get a good signal for

[01:28:17]

dilano:

went to watch live tv

[01:28:30]

toad_:

this suggests that the problem is not insufficient signal; it might be too strong signal; how to test that?

[01:28:36]

dilano:

my only available input was my HD card

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mkrufky:

toad_: doubtful

[01:29:06]

toad_:

mkrufky: it's that unusual?

[01:29:11]

toad_:

mkrufky: even with the signal booster?

[01:29:15]

mkrufky:

toad_: if you try tuning with tzap, it should give you signal strength info

[01:29:24]

toad_:

it doesn't, hardware limitation

[01:29:37]

mkrufky:

which demod does that card use?

[01:29:39]

toad_:

the driver for this particular hardware gives nonsense values for the signal value

[01:30:12]

toad_:

cx88-dvb

[01:30:16]

toad_:

that's the module i use

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mkrufky:

that is the driver

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mkrufky:

eh, brb

[01:30:37]

RacerX2oo3:

dilano, I was asking this question earlier. How would you compare the quality of the video between your HD source and your Analog Source

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** mkrufky looking at code **

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dilano:

night and day

[01:30:53]

dilano:

on a SD tv

[01:31:00]

RacerX2oo3:

really

[01:31:03]

RacerX2oo3:

damn

[01:31:13]

dilano:

I have yet to shell out the cash for a HDTV display (wife won't let me :( )

[01:31:13]

toad_:

00:0c.2 Multimedia controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [MPEG Port] (rev 05)

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toad_:

that help?

[01:31:18]

toad_:

from lspci

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mkrufky:

toad_: no, but dont worry

[01:31:29]

RacerX2oo3:

I'm trying to determine which type of capture card to go with

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toad_:

also 00:0c.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05)

[01:31:37]

mkrufky:

yikes... stop pasting

[01:31:41]

toad_:

sorry

[01:31:42]

dilano:

I'm getting OTA signals

[01:31:49]

RacerX2oo3:

I'm in the same boat as you with a SD set

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xris:

RacerX2oo3: you're in the US, right? what is your tv source? cable, satellite, ota?

[01:32:29]

RacerX2oo3:

Are you transcoding the OAT signal to save space or just using the native streams?

[01:32:37]

dilano:

native

[01:32:40]

mkrufky:

toad_: cx22702

[01:32:46]

dilano:

haven't recorded anything yet

[01:32:49]

mkrufky:

are you SURE it doesnt provide signal strength?

[01:32:55]

dilano:

on the HD card that is

[01:32:58]

RacerX2oo3:

XRIS: Yep US. My source would be OTA

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toad_:

well, it always showed values between 0x0030 and 0x0040

[01:33:03]

toad_:

iirc

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mkrufky:

umm, well... now u have a signal booster ... i wonder what values it has now

[01:33:25]

xris:

RacerX2oo3: then go with the HD card, assuming you have a good enough antenna. you won't regret it.

[01:33:27]

toad_:

"good" is supposed to be 0x8000

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dilano:

I haven't regretted it yet

[01:33:40]

toad_:

so 0x0040 should be "impossible to receive anything whatsoever", right?

[01:33:45]

** mkrufky doesnt regret it either **

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toad_:

yet it does receive data

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xris:

RacerX2oo3: even transcoded, your signal is going to be WAY better than dealing with analog's static, etc.

[01:34:04]

dilano:

I'm happy that my cable provider got into a dispute with our local CBS... gave me a reason to setup the card

[01:34:05]

toad_:

when i was at the tzap stage, it received perfect signals

[01:34:12]

toad_:

even now it receives perfect signals 99% of the time

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RacerX2oo3:

xris: The only downside is that I'm going to need analog as well to Cap signal off my DirecTV STB

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xris:

keep in mind that most analog signals are *barely* equivalent to 480x480, interlaced.

[01:34:20]

mkrufky:

RacerX2oo3: they also broadcast dtv in standard NTSC resolution

[01:34:50]

toad_:

last week before i put the booster in it got horrible signal, unreasonable distortion.. i think this started before i messed with the wires

[01:34:58]

mkrufky:

toad_: anyway, it is not a hardware limitation ... the device does show signal strength

[01:34:59]

xris:

RacerX2oo3: see, that's why I asked. best option for that really is two cards... the framegrabber stuff on the HD cards is not that great (neither is mythtv's software encoding)

[01:35:02]

toad_:

i had the rewire the coax aerial wire in the end :(

[01:35:09]

toad_:

mkrufky: so why is it always zero then?

[01:35:18]

toad_:

mkrufky: or am i completely misunderstanding the numbers?

[01:35:31]

mkrufky:

toad_: probably

[01:35:43]

mkrufky:

toad_: i cant say that i know what they mean either... i live in atsc land

[01:35:44]

toad_:

the howto said anything greater than 0x8000 was good

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mkrufky:

that is demod – dependant

[01:36:01]

mkrufky:

it depends on who wrote that howto

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toad_:

also the scanner in mythtv always shows 0 signal strength

[01:36:14]

RacerX2oo3:

xris: Does the current build of mythtv support both HD OTA capture and analog capture in the same system?

[01:36:21]

toad_:

although it does lock onto channels reasonably happily

[01:36:23]

mkrufky:

toad_: unfortunately, there is no standard unit of measure for that signal strength / snr stuff

[01:36:39]

mkrufky:

RacerX2oo3: yes

[01:36:43]

toad_:

mkrufky: hmmm

[01:36:54]

toad_:

mkrufky: meaning that the signal level is all but meaningless?

[01:37:04]

mkrufky:

toad_: it is not meaningles

[01:37:05]

mkrufky:

but

[01:37:16]

mkrufky:

toad_: it is meaningless if you compare the reading to that of a different card

[01:37:23]

toad_:

it is meaningless unless you know the particular characteristics of your tuner... which even the kernel doesn't seem to know

[01:37:37]

mkrufky:

toad_: but the signal reading is relative to signal readings from any card using the same dvb demodulator

[01:37:58]

mkrufky:

toad_: i promise you, cx22702 is a mature dvb-t demod driver

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mkrufky:

been there before i got involved in dvb drivers, at least

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toad_:

http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/board/showthread.p . . . 7&page=3

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toad_:

Conexant CX22702 demod : The strength number can not be trusted on these cards. You should not base anything relating to aerial alignment, attenuation or amplification upon it.

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mkrufky:

hah

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mkrufky:

ok, i belive it

[01:40:23]

toad_:

i was right :<

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mkrufky:

not necessarily

[01:40:51]

mkrufky:

this bb is talking about the windows drivers

[01:40:56]

mkrufky:

BDA drivers == XP

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toad_:

hmmm

[01:41:56]

toad_:

yeah i suppose except it really sounds like a hardware issue

[01:42:02]

mkrufky:

maybe

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toad_:

maybe it could be software, i've never done driver level stuff

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xris:

RacerX2oo3: for several versions back, yes

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mkrufky:

toad_: who knows? all i can say is that the driver supports the display of that info. if the hardware is broken, then the driver can only do so much. lol

[01:43:11]

** toad_ will get a list of channels and see if he can tune then in Watch TV **

[01:43:34]

toad_:

yeah so it's a hardware limitation not a driver limitation :|

[01:43:54]

RacerX2oo3:

cool, I must have been reading an older post which indicated that Digital and Analog signal were only supported together in the SVN releases

[01:44:06]

toad_:

it is technically possible that the major winds last week moved the aerial... but it was working, and _we hadn't used it for 5 years_ because we had cable

[01:44:36]

toad_:

and then the week after we get myth it stops working because of freak weather? sounds very unlikely to me

[01:45:40]

RacerX2oo3:

toad: don't be too sure, I spent a day trying to diagnose a network issue that came down to a bad cable that was working the day before

[01:47:38]

toad_:

RacerX2oo3: there were definitely bad cables involved. the quality degenerated dramatically for some reason, recordings came out completely horrible... i rewired the coax and eventually added the signal booster, and it worked again – except for a few channels

[01:47:56]

toad_:

and when i say worked again – worked perfectly, no or virtually no artifacts – except for those few channels...

[01:48:08]

xris:

RacerX2oo3: to mythtv, a tuner card is a tuner card. you can have as many as the hardware can support.

[01:48:39]

alsoconfused:

Any HDTV board recommendations? I currently have a pvr-250 connected directly to the comcast coax. I'd like to add second board that can tune the analog channels just like the pvr-250 and also grab the unencrypted digital channels.

[01:48:55]

mkrufky:

FusionHDTV5 Gold

[01:49:10]

xris:

alsoconfused: pvhdtv comes well recommended.

[01:49:14]

xris:

personally, I just use firewire

[01:49:33]

mkrufky:

eh, scratch that... just check out the table: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_cards

[01:49:50]

mkrufky:

all currently supported ATSC cards are in that table

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toad_:

hmmm

[01:50:57]

toad_:

recommendations for next steps?

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alsoconfused:

anyone know what demod capabilities i'll need for comcast?

[01:51:20]

toad_:

i have confirmed that for 5 channels, i have recordings before ~ the 10th, but none successful afterwards

[01:51:31]

toad_:

for another 2 i have no successful recordings full stop

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mkrufky:

alsoconfused: for digital cable, yo need a card capable of QAM256

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mkrufky:

xris: sorry, when i said "scratch that" i meant scratch where i said fusionHDTV5 gold....

[01:52:37]

toad_:

~ the 13th in fact

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mkrufky:

wasnt directed at your comment ;-)

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xris:

mkrufky: yeah, I caught that.

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mkrufky:

ok

[01:53:19]

xris:

mkrufky: and no, for digital cable, you can also sometimes get away with just firewire

[01:53:30]

xris:

alsoconfused: do you currently have comcast digital?

[01:53:48]

mkrufky:

xris: sure, if you want to depend on the stb from the cable company

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toad_:

RacerX2oo3: possible we messed up the rewiring the coax ... we did try several times, and it _looked_ clean, though it seemed to keep pulling more plastic through every time ... the cable may also be old and bad, but it's not practicable to replace it ...

[01:54:19]

toad_:

also the cable company said many years ago that we had an exceptionally strong signal (it was interfering with the cable box)

[01:54:21]

xris:

mkrufky: depends on how their encryption is set up. I wouldn't be able to get hbo with a WAM card

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xris:

er,QAM

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** toad_ hmmm **

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mkrufky:

yeah i cant either

[01:54:56]

toad_:

bbiab

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mkrufky:

i plan to try the firewire route one of these days too

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alsoconfused:

mkrufky: i don't care about unencrypting anything. i'll take what i can get.

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xris:

mkrufky: works like a charm.

[01:55:31]

xris:

alsoconfused: you never answered my question

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mkrufky:

xris: where do u live?

[01:55:35]

xris:

seattle

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mkrufky:

cool... im in brooklyn

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alsoconfused:

sorry... no digital

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alsoconfused:

i mean i don't have a box for it

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mkrufky:

alsoconfused: they broadcast digital for people that dont have the boxes

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mkrufky:

;-) not much of a secret

[01:56:33]

mkrufky:

they cant really stop it from going down the pipe

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xris:

alsoconfused: gotcha. was going to say that if you already have digital, it's worth the $5/month upgrade to HD to test firewire for a month.

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alsoconfused:

xris: good point

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mkrufky:

xris: they charge you an extra $5 per month for HD ?!?

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kormoc:

mkrufky, aye, have to gold plate their toilets somehow

[01:58:14]

defend is now known as Defend

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xris:

mkrufky: $5 box rental fee + $5 upgrade to HD box

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mkrufky:

lol... i thought it was fcc regulations. they're not supposed to charge extra for that

[01:58:43]

mkrufky:

damn

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xris:

subscription comes with a single non-hd box rental free.

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alsoconfused:

xris: and the 2nd box costs even more !@#$!@#

[01:59:08]

xris:

mkrufky: huh? they can charge whatever they want for their service. they're not charging extra for firewire.

[01:59:16]

mkrufky:

well thats true

[01:59:40]

RacerX2oo3:

anyone used the Kworld HD capture card? The price seems right, I've heard the windows drivers suck, but I just consider that a bonus :)

[01:59:43]

mkrufky:

but i know for a fact that by (i forgot when) everbody has to be broadcasting in HD, and it is supposed to be at the base rate, no extra charge

[01:59:51]

mkrufky:

maybe that time hasnt come yet, but it will

[02:00:08]

kormoc:

mkrufky, sure, but the hardware to view it isn't covered by that

[02:00:10]

xris:

mkrufky: huh? not for cable, it doesn't

[02:00:21]

mkrufky:

ok, hardware to view it... good point

[02:00:29]

mkrufky:

xris: ok, maybe im wrong

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crudpuppy:

k, my backend is running fine as I get no errors about it not being there as before, what I do get is a quick flash of black when trying to goto live tv

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xris:

mkrufky: you're thinking of broadcast, not cable

[02:00:46]

GreyFoxx:

xris: mplayer does work with the username/pass embedded in the user

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mkrufky:

ok i think you're right, xris

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crudpuppy:

weird, just noticed that the backend registers a client: localhost....but its not a localhost client

[02:01:20]

RacerX2oo3:

2006 was supposed to be the year broadcasters were allowed to turn off support for SD broadcasts

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mkrufky:

RacerX2oo3: that atsc110 card is finally working well, but it is OTA-only, absolutely no QAM support for digital cable

[02:01:47]

xris:

GreyFoxx: odd. I tried that.

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GreyFoxx:

xris: I just tried it on windows and linux

[02:02:07]

RacerX2oo3:

mkrufky: Well that works, OTA is my target

[02:02:11]

xris:

GreyFoxx: wonder what I missed

[02:02:14]

GreyFoxx:

I found the commit back in 02 that added support for it :)

[02:02:32]

xris:

I'm still hesitant to lock it down.

[02:02:47]

GreyFoxx:

wmp is the only one I haven't gotten to work with it so far

[02:03:41]

xris:

xine?

[02:03:57]

GreyFoxx:

I don't have it installed here, but I'll test it on my work machine

[02:04:08]

xris:

GreyFoxx: now get them to add support for https... that's the one I really want to work. and to xmms, too.

[02:09:37]

GreyFoxx:

xine doesn't appear to like it either. I'm amazed at how crippled some of these players are

[02:09:53]

GreyFoxx:

if you are going to support http streaming it makes NO sense to support basic auth

[02:11:00]

GreyFoxx:

err to not support it I mean

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kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

not supporting ssl is also strange

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xris:

xmms has had an ssl patch for ages, but for some reason no one has applied it

[02:16:09]

xris:

GreyFoxx: yeah, it's stupid. I can sort of understand the ssl thing, but basic auth should be, well, basic.

[02:22:11]

toad_:

RacerX2oo3: i found out what the problem was. the signal booster was set to minimum; i thought it was set to maximum. turning it up fixed the problem and i can receive the channels now.

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** mkrufky is happy for toad_ **

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toad_:

also /me would point out that anyone having problems with ffmpeg choosing the wrong audio stream .... it's fixed in etch (it happens in sarge); i discovered this recently. so my transcodes work too.

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** toad_ no idea about non-debian distros though obviously **

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kormoc:

toad_, heh, nifty

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toad_:

:)

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mkrufky:

toad_: what does your signal strength readings look like now? ;-)

[02:23:53]

toad_:

mkrufky: i dunno

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toad_:

iirc the front end (live tv) said 0 before i turned it up

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mkrufky:

and that question shall remain a mystery

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toad_:

now it's recording something

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toad_:

0 + 20dB = 4 * 0 = 0

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alsoconfused:

mkrufky: besides the remote and the price, the only diff i see between the FusionHDTV5 Gold and the Lite is the bridge interface. should i care about that?

[02:25:21]

mkrufky:

no

[02:25:28]

mkrufky:

but... well, it depends

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alsoconfused:

tell me more

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alsoconfused:

if you don't mine

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mkrufky:

cx88 hardware is more complete than the bt878/ // its hard to describe exactly what

[02:26:17]

mkrufky:

but....as fare as the driver support goes....... the bttv driver has been around for a much longer time

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alsoconfused:

but both work well?

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mkrufky:

but if you are using it for HD, then digital quality is digital quality, you'll never notice the difference

[02:26:51]

mkrufky:

yeah, both work well

[02:27:29]

alsoconfused:

okay, just trying to avoid known hw/driver probs.

[02:28:22]

mkrufky:

i think in the end, they're both fine... there are technical differences between them, but it might not be very interesting to the end user

[02:28:40]

mkrufky:

i have one of each in my mythbackend box, and neither have problems

[02:28:40]

alsoconfused:

mkrufky: one more ?. any reason you recommend Fusion over pcHDTV?

[02:28:49]

mkrufky:

yeah, im not impartial

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alsoconfused:

ok

[02:29:31]

mkrufky:

i get free hardware from dvico cuz i write most their linux driver support

[02:30:18]

alsoconfused:

thx for the info and for the driver!

[02:30:24]

mkrufky:

however, it might be interesting for you to know that the pcHD5500 is the exact same hardware as the FusionHDTV5 Gold

[02:30:43]

mkrufky:

except that the fusionhdtv5 gold also has a newer "rt" model that has an rtc on it

[02:30:54]

mkrufky:

if you want to know what the best card is , however, i can give a truly honest answer:

[02:31:01]

mkrufky:

the AirStar HD5000

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mkrufky:

^^ but this one does not have analog video support

[02:31:29]

mkrufky:

i say its the best, because it has hardware pid filters

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alsoconfused:

what's the cpu impact of software filters?

[02:32:07]

mkrufky:

well, do u know what those pid filters do?

[02:33:01]

alsoconfused:

only roughly. i don't know how much extra data needs to be processed

[02:33:23]

mkrufky:

just imagine having hdtv streams from like, 4 channels at once all coming in through the pci bus

[02:33:44]

mkrufky:

hardware filters reduce the incoming data to only that of what you are interested in

[02:33:52]

mkrufky:

its just extra work to discard packets

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mkrufky:

honestly, i dont think its really a noticeable difference.......... but.... do you remember that show Home Improvement, with Tim Allen?

[02:34:24]

mkrufky:

MORE POWER

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alsoconfused:

i'll just plug into 220

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mkrufky:

220 ?

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alsoconfused:

vac

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mkrufky:

oh, lol

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** alsoconfused froogles AirStar HD5000 **

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cesman:

hey y'all

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jacKnife:

hey all, my mythbox playback quality sux and i'm kinda stumped. I've maxed out my recording profile (software), tried with and without a transcode (maxed quality), and tried both rtjpeg and mpeg-4 and its all still blocky

[02:46:44]

mkrufky:

hi, cesman

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jacKnife:

any recommendations? obvious points to check?

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kormoc:

jacKnife, well, you are using a framegrabber card, they're known to be low quality

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jacKnife:

wouldnt the single be the same, just raw data instead of converted to mpeg?

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kormoc:

jacKnife, the tuners on those cards tend to be really cheap, and thus the signal going into the card is already a little messed up

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cesman:

hello mkrufky

[02:49:23]

jacKnife:

dang

[02:50:11]

jacKnife:

well, i guess time for a hauppauge, at least this is ATSC and dirt cheap

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WattoDaToydarian:

does anyone know how I can contact danielk from the trac?

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jacKnife:

kormoc, thanks

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WattoDaToydarian:

Does anyone know if ffmpeg is included in mplayer?

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xris:

WattoDaToydarian: mythtv-dev mailing list, or if you're corresponding to about a ticket, he'll get the email

[02:57:47]

xris:

WattoDaToydarian: depends on your distribution.

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WattoDaToydarian:

I'm talking about the mplayer source snapshot

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xris:

WattoDaToydarian: looking at it will give you a better answer than I can.

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WattoDaToydarian:

is "libavcodec" ffmpeg?

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xris:

part of it

[03:01:19]

WattoDaToydarian:

it appears that the mplayer source includes all the subfolders that ffmpeg source has. So does that mean it's built-in to mplayer?

[03:01:46]

kormoc:

you might have better luck talking the mplayer folks

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kormoc:

*talking to the

[03:02:30]

rtsai:

is there a way to do "svn annotate" via trac?

[03:02:45]

kormoc:

don't think so

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rtsai:

xris: fix it

[03:03:13]

rtsai:

:)

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kormoc:

heh

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Inssomniak:

hi all, I recently had a power failure and now Im getting backend errors about the database:Table 'program' is marked as crashed and should be repaired

[03:04:41]

kormoc:

well, you should repair it

[03:04:51]

jacKnife:

WattoDaToydarian: ffmpeg is NOT included, only the lavc codec

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kslater:

Inssomniak – I believe there are instructions on how to do that in either the wiki or the online docs

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WattoDaToydarian:

jacKnife: but that is where the mpeg2 codec is at right?

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jacKnife:

yeah, but if you install mplayer from source, you dont get the ffmpeg command line. Even though its from the same source tree

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WattoDaToydarian:

jacKnife: ok I just wanted to know because i'm trying to do research on Ticket #2498

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xris:

Inssomniak: optimize_mythdb.pl (in contrib/)

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xris:

WattoDaToydarian: mythtv doesn't rely on mplayer

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WattoDaToydarian:

xris: yes I know mplayer isn't in mythtv but they both use the ffmpeg mpeg2 codec right?

[03:11:02]

xris:

WattoDaToydarian: to some extent, yes.

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xris:

I see what you're trying to do now, though.

[03:11:25]

Inssomniak:

xris, I found that, but when i run it it says "cant locate MythTV.pm in @INC...."

[03:11:52]

xris:

Inssomniak: if you're not running svn with the perl modules installed, don't use the file from svn (the one in .20 doesn't have that issue)

[03:12:26]

Inssomniak:

I am running svn

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xris:

Inssomniak: read the second half of that if-clause

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WattoDaToydarian:

xris: would it be possible to sync mythtv to the latest ffmpeg codecs to see if it fixes Ticket #2498?

[03:12:57]

xris:

WattoDaToydarian: sure, if you knew what needed to be done to do that.

[03:13:04]

xris:

it's not a straight copy

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jacKnife:

WattoDaToydarian: in fact, mplayer and ffmpeg are managed by the same, and from reading the doc just now, mplayer incorporates ffmpeg directly into its code

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jacKnife:

the same folks that is

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WattoDaToydarian:

xris: what I meant is can you do that to the svn copy?

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kormoc:

WattoDaToydarian, uhh.... you mean in the tree?

[03:14:05]

WattoDaToydarian:

yeah

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Inssomniak:

ok, so I am running svn withouth the perl module, so I need to use the optimize_mythdb.pl from the 0.20 release

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kormoc:

WattoDaToydarian, it's a large bit of work...

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xris:

Inssomniak: yes.

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kormoc:

WattoDaToydarian, it's not something that going to just happen without many hours of work by the people who know that code, not by random people in here

[03:15:47]

xris:

Inssomniak: and enable the perl bindings next time you compile

[03:15:54]

Inssomniak:

rgr.

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BULLE:

who was it i was talking about max core temp for intel core 2 duo with here ?

[03:17:11]

BULLE:

i seem to have found reliable info

[03:17:24]

BULLE:

basicly, if you follow intels docs, there is no specific max temp

[03:18:03]

kormoc:

ickyness

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WattoDaToydarian:

Ok I get it, i'll just reopen the ticket and let danielk know what I found out about the codec because he said they would sync the latest ffmpeg codec

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BULLE:

most cpus seem to have max core temp of 85c though

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BULLE:

AND, there is support in linux, for the new digital thermal sensor, in the core 2 duo cpus, in lm_sensors svn

[03:19:02]

kormoc:

nifty

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** BULLE has roughly 15 degrees C to spare, at max load, running assorted cpuburn processes and video transcoding **

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BULLE:

not that bad, for a completely passively cooled cpu

[03:19:52]

BULLE:

that is slightly overlcoked

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Inssomniak:

xris, I did a quick make clean/make with --with-bindings=perl

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Inssomniak:

xris, does that mean that I should be able to run the optimize that is with svn?

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xris:

once you install, yes

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Inssomniak:

no dice for me

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xris:

did you make install?

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Inssomniak:

yeap

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xris:

and where'd the perl bindings go?

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xris:

worst case, you can cd into the perl bindings directory in the source and just install them manually like any other perl module

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Inssomniak:

/usr/local/lib which doesnt seem to be in the search path for perl :(

[03:24:04]

BULLE:

you can just tell perl to look there

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xris:

odd. the perl stuff is supposed to use its own path for such things

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Inssomniak:

Installing /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/MythTV.pm

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xris:

ahh, no it doesn't.

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xris:

oops

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Inssomniak:

heh

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xris:

I knew it would be a mistake to add that prefix code.

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Inssomniak:

so whats best to do? move the module or tell perl to look there ?

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** xris curses that control-W does COMPLETELY different things in gaim and in bash. **

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Inssomniak:

hahaha

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RacerX2oo3:

This is a bit off-topic probably, but my reading on ATSC has me confused. Does the ATSC transport stream contain the format data for both HDTV formats (1080i/720p) AND SDTV formats (704x480), and if so how does one choose the stream format, or do I have it all wrong?

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Inssomniak:

RacerX2oo3, yes it does, you choose with PID's

[03:26:30]

Inssomniak:

not all channels have that though

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xris:

RacerX2oo3: fyi, most SD streams are more like 480x480, and that depends on the signal.

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xris:

you rarely get both at the same time, though.

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Inssomniak:

thats quite common around here :)

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kslater:

but to his question – lots of broadcasters show digital version of SD channels

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xris:

usually, you get an SD stream for shows that don't have an HD signal.

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RacerX2oo3:

xris: so its an "either/or" type situation

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Inssomniak:

simulcast HD/SD on same TS

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kslater:

I get several in Pittsburgh

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xris:

RacerX2oo3: doesn't have to be, but that's usually the case.

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Inssomniak:

so how can I fix my problem?

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RacerX2oo3:

I'm in a major metro (SF Bay Area) so maybe my options are better

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xris:

Inssomniak: fix your perl path, wait for me to find an acceptable solution to the prefix issue, install manually outside of qmake

[03:29:50]

xris:

either of those three will work

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Inssomniak:

Id assume fix the perl path but I have no idea how to do that

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xris:

Inssomniak: you know, I've messed with perl for over a decade and I don't, either.. not on a global sense, anyway.

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Inssomniak:

heh

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xris:

technically, all you have to do is undo this patch: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/12251

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Inssomniak:

PREFIX=$${PREFIX}

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Inssomniak:

remove this and do 'er again?

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xris:

yeah. that override's perl's detected prefix.

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xris:

remove it

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xris:

then perl will put the files where it thinks they should be.

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Inssomniak:

so, I just hit a bug, lol

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xris:

yup, sort of.

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xris:

perl has its own version of /usr/ and /usr/local/ that it prefers people adhere to.

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Inssomniak:

okl

[03:40:04]

Inssomniak:

ok.

[03:40:06]

Inssomniak:

all is good.

[03:40:10]

Inssomniak:

it runs. sorta

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Inssomniak:

does the backend have to be up?

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Inssomniak:

guess so

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xris:

Inssomniak: hmm, that might be a reason to tweak the script. I just made it use the perl bindings so I only had to maintain the settings-detection code in one plade.

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xris:

place

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Inssomniak:

you are the boss... once the backend was up, the script worked.

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xris:

I should probably fix it. that script doesn't need to talk to the backend.

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xris:

it's supposed to be the kind of thing you just run and forget about.

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Inssomniak:

rgr. nice for a cron job or something

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xris:

exactly

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xris:

easy enough to add options to not try to talk to the backend.

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xris:

I'll do that later if I'm feeling better and done swearing at lyngsat for naming channels the same thing

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dgilmore:

anyone know why some channels wont get added

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dgilmore:

i get DataDirect: Not adding channel WHOIDT

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Inssomniak:

lol xris

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xris:

dgilmore: new channels aren't added unless you tell mfdb to do so

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dgilmore:

xris: they are in my lineup. but for some reason backend wont pick them up

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dgilmore:

xris: i probably botched something

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xris:

dgilmore: how does that conflict with what I said?

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dgilmore:

xris: not sure

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dgilmore:

xris: i uess i botched the install as I cant get them added

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ShorTie:

g00d evening guys

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ShorTie:

having problems tuning to 82

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ShorTie:

i get (L_n) M never comes in and only a partial lock

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ShorTie:

signal says 80%

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xris:

dgilmore: --only-update-channels might help

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dgilmore:

xris: thanks ill try that

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xris:

ShorTie: sorry, I don't get that channel.

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xris:

ShorTie: in other words, it would be more helpful if you specified what kind of connection you were using, if you were ever able to get the channel, etc.

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SnoopyTwo:

Buh

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dgilmore:

xris: thanks for you help i think i sorted it out

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xris:

cool

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SnoopyTwo:

FATAL: Could not initialize video filters (-vf) or video output (-vo). <---- anyone see that error on mplayer before?

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Dr_willis:

when i told mplayer the wrong video out to use...

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SnoopyTwo:

Hrm.... VNC display is bad? as in... '#mplayer test1.mpg'

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Dr_willis:

you are trying to watch a video over a vnc connection?

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SnoopyTwo:

yes

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Dr_willis:

Ick.

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hads:

Yeah, probably just don't.

[04:58:31]

Dr_willis:

You would be better off 'streaming' the video to the remote pc.

[04:58:48]

Dr_willis:

or access the video files with a samba share, or nfs share, or somthing similer.

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hads:

a lot better off

[04:58:54]

Dr_willis:

or UpNp stuff

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** kormoc blinks **

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SnoopyTwo:

hehe. I know... I thought that I can tweak this thing while the wife is watching American Idol

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kormoc:

never saw UpNp, I've seen UPnP, but UpNp is strange :P

[04:59:44]

hads:

Yeah, I had to look twice at that

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Dr_willis:

kormoc, considering how poorely it works.. and the Stupidity of the name... :) i call it a lot of OTHER things...

[05:00:06]

Dr_willis:

uPnP

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Dr_willis:

ive gotten it working with GeeXbox as a client and thats it so far.

[05:05:01]

** GreyFoxx has done it with nero, wmp, ushare, a xbox360 (custom patches) and a dsm 320 hardware player **

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GreyFoxx:

vlc for nix supposedly supports it but I havben't tried

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Dr_willis:

i used that mythstream/mythweb interface to stream a show to the local lan the othe rday as a test.. diddnet look that great.

[05:09:15]

GreyFoxx:

mythstreamtv transcodes it, by default down to reslutions for streaming over the net

[05:09:18]

Dr_willis:

nero couldent play the upnp stuff it dident like the file type. Wmp – only works on vista as a client for it..

[05:09:45]

GreyFoxx:

If you are on alocal lan, using mythstreamtv/mythweb is silly

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Dr_willis:

musicmatchjukebox – can only play audio files over upnp.. lets see what else did i try.

[05:10:13]

GreyFoxx:

at the moment I've just got the xbox360 playing music, but it's a hack for now

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GreyFoxx:

just to make the wife happy

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Dr_willis:

nothing makes my wife happy...

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Dr_willis:

:)

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Captain_Murdoch:

GreyFoxx: do you use the 320 with Myth currently?

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GreyFoxx:

Captain_Murdoch: I did back in Oct for a bit, and I got another one for my dad today which has worked so far

[05:11:07]

Captain_Murdoch:

have you seen any of the pauses/skips every so often that Chutt was mentioning?

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GreyFoxx:

I'll have it for a few more days before I give it to him

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GreyFoxx:

Captain_Murdoch: Nope, and I've watched at least 10 things so far with it

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Captain_Murdoch:

he was on wireless, so maybe it was something to do with his setup.

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GreyFoxx:

wireed 100mbit here

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GreyFoxx:

hmm wonder if they ship to Canada now

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GreyFoxx:

I'd pick up one for her ein the house if only for testing the upnp stuff

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vegeat:

i need to get another 500gb drive

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langotech:

is anybody using a ati hdtv wonder

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langotech:

it works somewhat in tvtime but I get a failed to open card when I try to scan for channels in mythtvsetup

[05:16:58]

defaultro:

I would like to remove the commercials but I still would like to maintain the resolution of the recorded show, what should I do?

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Captain_Murdoch:

dsm320

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kormoc:

ahh, gotcha

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GreyFoxx:

Arrrrrrrg

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GreyFoxx:

they still wont ship to Canada :(

[05:17:42]

Captain_Murdoch:

you east coast?

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, no, but you have friends that will

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GreyFoxx:

I hate seeing nice deals on stuff on newegg only to be unable to order it

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GreyFoxx:

kormoc: hehe

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GreyFoxx:

Captain_Murdoch: Yeah, Nova Scotia

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defaultro:

guys again, :D, is mythtv capable of just deleting the commercials on the recorded mpg file?

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GreyFoxx:

defaultro: yes

[05:19:21]

defaultro:

oh, great. How do I do it?

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GreyFoxx:

if you mark the commercials you can do a "lossless" transcode

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defaultro:

I have seen the cutlist

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defaultro:

ah

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defaultro:

is that found within the "Edit Recording"?

[05:21:32]

defaultro:

and also, I haven't check the dvd burners for more than 1.5 yrs now. I still have the single layer 4.7g burner. Are there dual burners now?

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defaultro:

guys, does DL mean dual layer ? DVD+R DL

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kormoc:

yes, DL is dual layer

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defaultro:

thanks

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defaultro:

i'm thinking of buying this, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827249003

[05:27:56]

defaultro:

this is much more cheaper and also support DL, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827106043

[05:28:45]

defaultro:

What do you think about LITE-ON folks?

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Dr_willis:

Liteon brand dvd's work very well for me.

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defaultro:

great

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Dr_willis:

often you can find Lite-on's that have been 'rebranded' as some other name – and a bit cheaper.

[05:29:59]

defaultro:

k

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Dr_willis:

but optical drifves are so cheap these days its scary

[05:30:16]

Dr_willis:

Now the cost of Dual-Layer Media – is Still nasty high!

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defaultro:

optical drivers?

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Dr_willis:

its sad when a new drive is cheaper then a box of media

[05:30:34]

defaultro:

are you talking about the LITE ON dvd writer?

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kormoc:

yes, cd/dvd's are optical drives

[05:30:45]

kormoc:

they use light to read the disks

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Dr_willis:

Ive used Lite on cd/dvd/ and now a Dl drive

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defaultro:

i have the dvd 4.7g for more than 1 year and still works great

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Dr_willis:

just waiting for the cost of DL dvd's to get aforeable.

[05:31:04]

defaultro:

but i need more space

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Dr_willis:

check out the price of DL media befor ya go overboard. :)

[05:31:25]

defaultro:

so the disk is the one that's expensive then

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defaultro:

ok

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kormoc:

hard drives are cheaper then dual layer disks

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kormoc:

:P

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Dr_willis:

I can get blank DVD's for .20$ a pop.. blank DVD-DL are like $2 a pop.

[05:32:43]

Dr_willis:

DL disks are Slowly comming down in price.. but they are still way to expensive

[05:34:05]

defaultro:

ah, it's 8.5g

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defaultro:

not 9g

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Dr_willis:

proberly ya cant get 8.5gb of real data on one

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defaultro:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817132394 for $35

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Dr_willis:

a dvd – i can get like 4.4gb of real data

[05:35:13]

defaultro:

because of the headers?

[05:35:19]

Dr_willis:

yep and other overhead

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defaultro:

ok

[05:35:51]

Dr_willis:

then again the companies like to lie about the definition of the term "gigibyte" of storage. :)

[05:35:59]

defaultro:

so should I swipe the cc on that LITE-ON dvd writer? :D

[05:36:20]

defaultro:

should I wait more since the 4.7 still working fine

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Dr_willis:

at $35 its basicially disposiable. :) get it if ya like.

[05:36:35]

defaultro:

i mean, the dvd dl writer

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defaultro:

$31

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defaultro:

k

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Dr_willis:

longer you wait – the more speed/buffer/other stuff ya get.

[05:37:02]

defaultro:

k

[05:37:04]

Dr_willis:

Unless you need a dl drive.

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defaultro:

yep, not yet really

[05:37:37]

Dr_willis:

I got a lite-on at walmart for like $50 a month ago just because my other died.

[05:37:46]

Dr_willis:

Ive had bad luck with HP brand DVD drives :(

[05:38:05]

defaultro:

i'm lucky with the cyberhome dvd writer but not the cyberhome dvd player

[05:38:24]

Dr_willis:

Cyberhome = about as cheap as you can get.

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Dr_willis:

:)

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defaultro:

it works :)

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Dr_willis:

if thers somthing cheaper I cant think of the company.

[05:38:52]

Dr_willis:

ILO is almost as bad. :)

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defaultro:

Norkis dvd player

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Dr_willis:

I have a ILO brand PVR. it works.. but the Dvd drive in it 'sticks'

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defaultro:

way more cheapr

[05:39:19]

Dr_willis:

but it is using lite-on brand dvd drives.

[05:39:20]

defaultro:

Norsent

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defaultro:

something like that

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Dr_willis:

Cyberhome i think isent even making stand alone dvd players any more.

[05:39:49]

Dr_willis:

saw some news about that the other day

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defaultro:

ok

[05:40:04]

defaultro:

maybe, they had so many complaints

[05:40:09]

defaultro:

mine only lasted 9 months

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defaultro:

i paid $39

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defaultro:

LOL

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Dr_willis:

No.. they were not paying the $10 licensing fee to the dvd consurtium so they were going to get sued. :)

[05:40:35]

Dr_willis:

thats why they were only $39

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defaultro:

my sony which I paid for $299 last 2001 March is still alive

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Dr_willis:

heh heh.

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Dr_willis:

Ive seen the newer dvd players that can play divx and other video format files.

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defaultro:

that's what I keep telling my wife, I want to buy something that is known since it will last longer

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defaultro:

yes, ive seeen those too

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Dr_willis:

now IF they had one that had a UPNP client – that would be cool.

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Dr_willis:

actually that would be real cool...

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defaultro:

yep

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Dr_willis:

id pay extra for that.

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Dr_willis:

:)

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defaultro:

mythf is a upnp client to right

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Dr_willis:

GeeXboX can turn a low end pc/laptop into a dvd player with upnp client. :)

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defaultro:

wow

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defaultro:

searching

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defaultro:

wow

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defaultro:

awesome

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defaultro:

no hdd needed?

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Dr_willis:

you have to set your MythTV box's ips correctly under the mmtytv-setup #1 settings page for it to work. :)

[05:44:01]

Dr_willis:

no hdd needed

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Dr_willis:

I use it on my old laptop.

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defaultro:

that's awesome

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defaultro:

what is the screen when it connects to mythtv?

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, they want over $200 for the 320RD

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Dr_willis:

plus i want it to play the divx and avi and other things.... as well!

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Captain_Murdoch:

that's called a PC. ;)

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Dr_willis:

its amazing the # of dvd players weve collected in this house.

[05:45:39]

Dr_willis:

wife had to have this 6 dvd player.. but IT wont play the dvd's i burn with the MythArvhive stuff...

[05:45:47]

Dr_willis:

it cant read dvd+r's at all.

[05:46:27]

defaultro:

man, that geexbox is cool

[05:46:44]

defaultro:

I have a laptop that I can use for it

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Dr_willis:

defaultro, :)

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Dr_willis:

defaultro, you can remaster it also.. but i would like to be able to put it on a dvd and have it thenplay files off the dvd disk drive.. not sure how to do that yet.

[05:47:24]

defaultro:

man, I will download it and put one in loft and master br

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Dr_willis:

defaultro, :) ya can set it to access samba shares also

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defaultro:

so, correct me if I;m wrong, geexbox can act as a frontend to our mythtv

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defaultro:

that means, once I download the iso, i can be up in no time at all

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Dr_willis:

GeeXbox has spport to play files from network shares (samba) or function as a UPNP client.

[05:49:03]

Dr_willis:

its not a mythtv 'frontend' in that it does not run mythtv-frontend :)

[05:49:23]

Dr_willis:

there are live cd's that work as mythtv-frontends however. (but ive not used them)

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defaultro:

like what you said, it can connect to samba shares.

[05:49:41]

defaultro:

and is it able to make thumbnails of the recorded shows?

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Dr_willis:

set up the geexbox disk to connect to the samba shares and it can play them

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defaultro:

how does it deal with the HD recordings?

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Dr_willis:

thumbnails? never noticed.. UPNP feautre just shows the files in a listing

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defaultro:

that's fine :)

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Dr_willis:

No idea on HD. – no HD tv here.. no HD shows.. no HD nothing...

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defaultro:

as long as we can play it

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Dr_willis:

HD is a bunch of Hype from my 'standpoint' :)

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Dr_willis:

but im a grumpy old man.

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defaultro:

and very minimal use of braincells which is very good too

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defaultro:

:)

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Dr_willis:

use vmware to test out the geexbox isos you generate :)

[05:51:10]

Dr_willis:

saves some time

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defaultro:

it's livecd though right?

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Dr_willis:

yes

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psm321:

how can i force a timeslot recording regardless of whether myth thinks it's already been recorded? (record in this timeslot every day" used to do that but doesnt seem to anymore)

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defaultro:

ok, i don't need vmware then

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Dr_willis:

normally you use the geexbox generator

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psm321:

without adding an override every day

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Dr_willis:

that lets you customize the cd and make your own .iso

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defaultro:

k

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Dr_willis:

then ya burn your custome one.. (or use vmware) to test it.

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kormoc:

psm321, change the duplicate check policy

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defaultro:

looks like it based off gentoo

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psm321:

kormoc: any idea where that is?

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kormoc:

in the recording options, both in the frontend and mythweb

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** defaultro breaths deeply....this red wine really taste good :P **

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Dr_willis:

>hic<

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defaultro:

hmmm, iso is just 6.78mb?

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psm321:

kormoc: i cant find that category... is it possible for settings to be hidden under the "classic" menu setup?

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defaultro:

is that all i need to be able to see the gui?

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kormoc:

psm321, perhaps

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Fooker:

So I tried mytharchive today, and then burned the ISO using my laptop. No DVD player can read it, and when I pop it into a linux box, dmesg fills with errors that the CD has no tracks. However, the Windows laptop I used to burn it can read it fine. So I'm assuming this is something to do with the burning of the disc, and completely not the fault of mytharchive?

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psm321:

kormoc: i changed that and i'm still getting the same things... i go to utilities/setup --> setup --> TV settings and i see program guide, general, playback, recording profiles, recording priorities, playback groups

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psm321:

i checked recording priorities already, not there

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kormoc:

psm321, no, it's in the options for the recording, not in setup

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psm321:

oh whoops

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psm321:

heh, sorry

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Dr_willis:

defaultro, read the docs.. :) you run the geexbox generator program and it should make an iso. and you can add more stuff to it. (codecs and set the default samba user)

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kormoc:

no problems

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Dr_willis:

defaultro, with everything installed on it. i think mine are like 50mb

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psm321:

kormoc: that worked perfectly, thanks!

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kormoc:

you're welcome

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psm321:

i'm still having trouble finding a lot of global settings though

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psm321:

like the commercial skip configuration and the pageup/pagedown time skip config

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psm321:

err i mean commercial detection

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psm321:

or does it work well enough now that theres no config options?

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Dr_willis:

i just hit M – and select auto skip

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psm321:

yeah i found the setup for that too, i meant that you used to be able to select the detection method and stuff like that

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psm321:

but i can understand if that went bye-bye because everything is fine tuned by now

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Dr_willis:

thats somewhere under the mythtv-setup program

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Dr_willis:

comercial detection will never be perfect.

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Dr_willis:

:)

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Captain_Murdoch:

it will never be that fine-tuned. :) there's more commercial flagging and jobqueue stuff in mythtv-setup.

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Dr_willis:

ive noticed that on some shows they have little 'program banners' in the middle of the comercial breaks that can confuse things. :)

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psm321:

Captain_Murdoch: which option? its not in general and all the others seem like they wouldnt talk about that

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psm321:

i've never had it able to skip the last break of a show

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Dr_willis:

ive mainly noticed this on the foodTV shows. :)

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anxt:

i messes up on days of our l;ives all the time

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Dr_willis:

heh heh

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kormoc:

that's cause it can't stand to watch it to look for the commercials :P

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Dr_willis:

the show makes it depressed

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Dr_willis:

:)

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anxt:

kormoc: lol

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anxt:

i don't really watch soaps

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Captain_Murdoch:

psm321: sorry, method is in the frontend setup area. under setup -> TV Settings -> General, on the General(Jobs) page.

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psm321:

whoops, not sure how i missed that

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psm321:

thanks!

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psm321:

now i just need to find and fix that stupid 10 minute skip

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defaultro:

thanks Dr_Willis

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anxt:

all my stations are called adding channel ...

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anxt:

i just turfed them i will try and rescan

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rtsai1111:

arg.

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rtsai1111:

anyone seeing IOBOUND errors in their backend logs?

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psm321:

me!

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psm321:

i was just about to ask about it

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psm321:

caused corruption in my file

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rtsai1111:

i haven't hit corruption, but my machine keeps hanging.

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rtsai1111:

Never happened to me for 3 years.

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psm321:

hmm

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psm321:

well i have no idea what it means

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kormoc:

rtsai1111, psm321, well, IOBOUND means the IO (Input/Output) was bound, or tied up

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kavorka^:

just set up a second myth frontend over a wireless connection...doesnt get much better than this :)

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langotech:

anybody able to point me in the right direction

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langotech:

it's an ati hdtv wonder and works in tvtime althought it uses the wrong input

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kormoc:

well, that's cause you basically have two cards there

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kormoc:

the analog will work in tvtime/xaw, but the hd never will

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langotech:

yea I wouldn't expect it to I'm trying to get it to work in mythtv

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kormoc:

check what the driver said?

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langotech:

what driver I have the firmware installed and it seems to load fine according to dmesg

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langotech:

actualy I have something weird in my dmesg mentioning the cx88

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juski:

langotech: don't use mythtv for testing your hdtv tuner. there are other more suitable tools

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juski:

and 'something weird in dmesg' isn't much to go on ;)

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awilkins:

tzap is a much more useful tool for initial testing of a DVB card.

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juski:

or azap

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juski:

or czap, or indeed szap :)

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awilkins:

*zap

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quicksilver:

langotech: is there a DVB message in dmesg?

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quicksilver:

the driver can load the video0 part without loading the DVB part, on hybrid cards

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quicksilver:

for saa7134s you need to modprobe a different module, for example

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quicksilver:

(saa7134-dvb)

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juski:

what's with folks on the -dev list still referring to cvs? silly people

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kormoc:

you know, people rag on the french a lot, but they still have some of the cutest pop stars out there

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Merlin83b:

Oh dear, you've been watching that clip of the girl with the ass haven't you?

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

one of her music videos, yes

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kormoc:

it came up randomly

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quicksilver:

this one: http://www.gaeltacht.info/images/urs_asal.jpg ?

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Merlin83b:

Heh

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kormoc:

http://www.freejose.com/images/a/alizee.jpg <-- this one

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quicksilver:

ass not in shot, though

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quicksilver:

maybe it's playing the sax off to the right

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quicksilver:

:P

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kormoc:

http://www.animated-gif.net/images/alizee-sexy-dance.gif

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kormoc:

http://www.animated-gif.net/images/alizee_fesses.gif

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juski:

ahh vanessa paradis <8

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kormoc:

ahh, cute. Not surprising that's who Depp picked :P

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juski:

only had one hit in the UK but who cares?

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kormoc:

lots better then what we got overhere

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juski:

haha. yeah she's no missy elliot :-P

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doc_:

hi there

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The_Ball:

got two wireless logitech rumblepad 2's today, the myth box is beginning to be full featured

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timo:

hi im trying to scan for some channels i have no clue how to , i using this --->linuxtv-dvb-apps-1.1.1

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timo:

i have tryed following the wiki's and have no clue what they mean

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Hoxzer:

mythtv has scan feature ...

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timo:

thats the thing im tying to use xine player

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timo:

can you guys help

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timo:

?

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timo:

any one who knows how to use ---->Desktop/linuxtv-dvb-apps-1.1.1/util/scan/dvb-t to scan for channels

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Hoxzer:

join #dvb ...

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timo:

thanks

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rsdvd:

timo – the easiest thing to use to scan for channels is kaffeine.....this has a very easy interface

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timo:

rsdvd:your right but where does it place the files ?

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timo:

the mychannels.conf ?

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laga:

timo: somewhere under .kde/ i think

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rsdvd:

I am not sure.......as this is a mythtv channel I assumed you were using myth? I only use kaffeine / scan-t to test the card is working

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timo:

ok im on the correct channel now thanks to Hoxzer

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timo:

laga: im now installing kaffine to test it out

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timo:

now i need to install WIN32 Codecs.. for kaffeine player

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rsdvd:

timo : for you info....kaffeine seems to store its channels info in ~/.kde/share/apps/kaffeine/channels.db

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timo:

will i have to change the .db to .conf ?

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timo:

and by the way will win32 work on my 64 bit system >

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rsdvd:

not sure – I never use xine for dvb so I am not sure if they are the same format..

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rsdvd:

win32?

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timo:

WIN32 Codecs.. for kaffeine player

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timo:

i have 64 bit system

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rsdvd:

ok......i don't have 64 bit....but I guess they will

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timo:

so much wisdom on one guy :-P

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rsdvd:

lol...hardly

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laga:

you won't need win32 codecs for normal DVB broadcasts

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laga:

timo: the dvb-apps also came with a manual, i think.

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timo:

thanks guys

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SpacePope:

Hey everyone...can anyone here help me out with a hauppage card not working?

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SpacePope:

I can modprobe ivtv, but no /dev/video devices show up

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rsdvd:

have you checked dmesg?

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SpacePope:

yep, no errors, but no cards found either

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SpacePope:

ivtv: ==================== START INIT IVTV ====================

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SpacePope:

ivtv: version 0.8.0 (tagged release) loading

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SpacePope:

ivtv: Linux version: 2.6.18-gentoo-r6 SMP mod_unload PENTIUM4 REGPARM gcc-4.1

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SpacePope:

ivtv: In case of problems please include the debug info between

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SpacePope:

ivtv: the START INIT IVTV and END INIT IVTV lines, along with

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SpacePope:

ivtv: any module options, when mailing the ivtv-users mailinglist.

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SpacePope:

ivtv: ==================== END INIT IVTV ====================

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SpacePope:

lspci shows the card just fine

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rsdvd:

sorry – no idea then

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cybergypsy:

hi all , with my skystar-1 mythtv records the audio channel and also a NAR (narrated?) channel , is there someway to disable this NAR channel somehow ?

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SpacePope:

oh well, thanks anyway rsdvd

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laga:

cybergypsy: are they being played back at the same time?

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juski:

cybergypsy: it's being looked at. you could always strip out the extra audio streams after recording with ffmpeg

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cybergypsy:

no , nope , by default vlc plays the first channel which is english

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cybergypsy:

ok , sometimes i forget to check and transcode the file with NAR on – annoying

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cybergypsy:

just wondering if it was possible to set the audio pid , thatsall

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cybergypsy:

thanks guys

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cybergypsy:

i love mythtv

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cybergypsy:

what a cool project

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juski:

filtering PIDs at the recording stage is being looked at by one of the developers at the moment, I've been told :)

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cybergypsy:

juski: cool , i looked through the backed db and the mythtv wiki but couldnt find anything so thought i`d ask here

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cybergypsy:

no problems using 2 x skystar-1`s together in the same pc ?

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cybergypsy:

(just ordered a 'spare')

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cybergypsy:

well thats what i told the wife

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juski:

shouldn't be any problems, no

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cybergypsy:

yippee!

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juski:

though you do know that you can't just loop satellite cards together don't you?

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cybergypsy:

yea – i have a 1 dish into 2 connection splitter box thing

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** juski installs some fc dev libs on his vmware fc5 setup :) **

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cybergypsy:

hopefully that will be ok

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juski:

splitter box thing?

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juski:

I hope it's more than just a 'splitter'

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cybergypsy:

it allows you to have two 'normal' recievers on one dish

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juski:

ah ok – sounds fine then

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juski:

rsdvd – looking to try building minimyth for the s100 in FC5 on my windows box :)

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cybergypsy:

its an optex device

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juski:

I dunno if the vmware install will have enough free disk space though

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rsdvd:

juski : good luck – let me know how it goes!

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rsdvd:

juski : I have been trying to get a distro with an old enough X.org to be able to run iegd

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rsdvd:

juski : why are you using vmware – can you not ssh into your server at home?

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juski:

rsdvd: apparently iegd6.1 works with xorg 6.9 & 7.0. it's as yet unclear whether or not it works on the s100

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rsdvd:

yeah – from what I have read it does nto support the i830

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juski:

and I'm using vmware because a) it'll prolly be faster than my spare box and b) minimyth isn't something to be built on ubuntu – tried many times before & it always shits itself

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rsdvd:

but i830 is supported by X.org nativley....so do we need IEGD at all?

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juski:

rsdvd: yeah for the fs454 port control to get tv out working

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rsdvd:

arh – of course

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juski:

no IEGD, no tv out

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rsdvd:

:-(

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juski:

it's not hard. I've done it before

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laga:

f'ing OSS hypocrites at intel. suckers.

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rsdvd:

juski : if you need a more powerfull FC6 install......I can set you up access to my server

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juski:

only the other night I had iegd 5.1 worky on slack without zenslack

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rsdvd:

why are you building minimyth then?

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juski:

because it's there

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rsdvd:

lol

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juski:

if you'd be happy downloading a 1GB tarball from me then fine

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juski:

I tell a lie – I think I got it down to about 500MB

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rsdvd:

no problem – I have a unmetered ADSL

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juski:

problem – my upload pipe is 256k

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rsdvd:

lol....it might take a while then

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juski:

there's always sneakernet of course

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rsdvd:

sneakernet?

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juski:

or Royal Mail-net

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rsdvd:

:-)

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juski:

rsdvd: offline file xfers with usb sticks, dvd-r etc ;)

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rsdvd:

arh!

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laga:

512M wouldn't take that long. sheesh.

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laga:

spoiled kids ;)

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rsdvd:

iaga : probably not but I donubt it save him much time compared to building it on his vmware

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laga:

true. but there's always chroots ;)

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juski:

chroots involve setting system variables & other stuff I never understand

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laga:

vmware is the easiest then

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juski:

plus the target size of minimyth is tiny compared to 500MB :)

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laga:

www.virtualbox.org seems to be promising, too. slightly slower than vmware but it's free, parts of it even as as 'freedom'

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laga:

heh

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juski:

and it'll be nice being able to customise minimyth at last

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juski:

take out the cpu optimisations that ruin it for my c3 for one thing

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rsdvd:

if you can build minimyth for the S100 – does that mean we can network boot?

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juski:

nope

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juski:

the bios puts a stop to that

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laga:

juski: the bios can boot etherboot from the DoM.

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rsdvd:

is there no way round the 'hit f12' rubbish?

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juski:

though it's easy to get round it by using a bootloader on the DoM

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laga:

hit F12 for what?

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juski:

hit f12 to netboot

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rsdvd:

ok – is that what you are planning?

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juski:

rsdvd: one step at a time

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juski:

usb stick first

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laga:

ah, right, that never worked

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juski:

turning it into nfsroot will be a piece of easy

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rsdvd:

:-) I would have throght minimyth would be better from a network boot as that was what it was originally designed for

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laga:

i actually did have the s100 netboot using etherboot. i never finished that gentoo install

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juski:

the box I demoed at LRL last year was using a bootloader on a usb key, mounting an nfsroot of a gentoo install off the ubuntu backend

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rsdvd:

lol....could you throw a few more distros in there :-)

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juski:

I quite like what I've seen of FC so far

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rsdvd:

I have always used FC – it is what I am used to. Are you planing to get the wi-fi working aswell?

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juski:

not got anything to test it with, so I can't

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rsdvd:

juski : you can pick up wireless routers for next to nothing these days

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juski:

rsdvd: bah

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juski:

I've no use for one

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gbee:

yeah – only PSP means windows, and I don't have a windows machine :)

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juski:

gbee: email it to me & I'll convert it

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juski:

shit just remembered I said I was gonna send that case badger out

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rsdvd:

"case badger" ?

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juski:

yeah I had some case badgers made featuring the mythtv logo for the LW expo

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juski:

sold some & bought a round with the proceeds :)

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gbee:

thanks for the offer – I've just remembered my old laptop still has windows installed, I'll just need to dig it out of storage

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rsdvd:

"case badges" – I had this weird picture in my mind of a badger (the furry kind)

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gbee:

that's badges – in case you're picturing a black and white mammal strapped to a PC case with Mythtv stamped on it's arse

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rsdvd:

:-)

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gbee:

juski: no worries about the badge

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juski:

it got lost in the volume of work I didn't have to do but ended up doing

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juski:

pity there's no mixed-format vector/bitmap file spec all programs could use universally

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rsdvd:

juski : just read this on the minimyth site "Building MiniMyth from source is not for the faint of heart"

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juski:

rsdvd: do I seem like a faint-hearted kind of person?

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rsdvd:

lol – no – but I am :-(

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rsdvd:

it says it needs up to 5 hours and 9Gb

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juski:

look at the instructions.. doesn't look like that big a deal

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rsdvd:

ok....minimyth loads quite quick on my EPIA

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rsdvd:

does it need to be compiled from source.....I though it now supported most (non-EPIA) harware?

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juski:

not specifically but stuff like getting the IEGD in there & modifying the boot scripts etc...

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juski:

and the kernel...

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awilkins:

THere was a bloke on the telly who ATE badgers last night

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awilkins:

He'd eat anything that got run over

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awilkins:

There was this marvellous shot of him gutting a badger in his bathtub

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rsdvd:

juski ; if you get it to build will you be posting it to your site :-)

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juski:

yummy

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juski:

rsdvd: nah, but I'll make it available under the counter so to speak

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juski:

I don'

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juski:

I don't want no whiny buggers whining

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rsdvd:

LOL – sounds good – I will be your first 'under the counter' customer :-)

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awilkins:

Heh, that reminds me of the conversation I just had with the girl in the chocolate shop

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juski:

stuff it won't have... bootsplash for starters

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awilkins:

We were talking about the huge heap of batteries I bought to power my daughters toys at christmas

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awilkins:

And she says "Yeah, it really sucks when the batteries go falt in your favourite toy"

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juski:

heh. can I guess where this is going?

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awilkins:

I couldn't restrain myself from laughing.

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awilkins:

She turned a rather fetching shade of pink.

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juski:

run, Rabbit, run!

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awilkins:

There's an Ann Summers virtually next door too :-)

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rsdvd:

juski : bootsplash is not that important! especially if the box is never truned off!

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j-rod:

so... anyone with a ps3 that's been myth'd yet?

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Merlin83b:

Bloody expensive myth box :)

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j-rod:

not really

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j-rod:

at least, not for an hdtv-playback-capable frontend

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j-rod:

(assuming its capable)

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j-rod:

(which it should be)

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quicksilver:

the question is, I guess, how much of the sony hardware sony plan to document/open up

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quicksilver:

I've no idea what the answer to that is

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j-rod:

aha... http://ps3penguins.blogspot.com/

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rsdvd:

juski : does the S100 have a serial port?

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juski:

rsdvd: has 2 actually. see the diagrams er.. somewhere. I never gave details of them on my webshite because they'd involve modding of cables and they're pretty superfluous anyway

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juski:

rsdvd: with an xmodmap you can just use the existing remote anyway

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rsdvd:

just thinking a LIRC reciver might be nice – would give you better choice of remote controls

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juski:

ah yeah

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juski:

folks have done that

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rsdvd:

I think the remote that came with it is not very good

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juski:

it has enough buttons that's for sure

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rsdvd:

I take it the mod will invove soldering the actual board

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juski:

it's rc5 so easily learned too

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juski:

it's a road I might have to go down if I ever get round to hacking the front panel to take a slim dvd drive

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rsdvd:

I will probably be using my usb mce remote anyway – but it was a thought

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rsdvd:

is there enough room inide to take a slim drive? I would have throught the board was in the way

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juski:

it's a very minor consideration at the minute

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juski:

nah it's possible to fit one in there

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juski:

just not where the useless flap is

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rsdvd:

:-)

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rsdvd:

you would have to mount to soming out the side instead of the front

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juski:

nope

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juski:

that's what I'm talking about.. major plastic hacking

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rsdvd:

:-) but that also contains the IR reciver

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juski:

mmyers

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juski:

I've seen a bunch of photos where some kid had hacked his front panel with 'bondo' & sprayed it black

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laga:

juski: did you check out inputlirc?

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juski:

laga: yeah.. thanks but seems pretty superfluous seen as I can already use xmodmap

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juski:

I don't plan to be using a keyboard with it anyway

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minimec:

Hi folks. I am debugging for three hours now to get a running mythweb... This .htaccess file is driving me mad...

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minimec:

AuthType Basic; AuthName MythTV; AuthUserFIle /etc/apache2/mythtvusers; require valid-user

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minimec:

... then I do a htpasswd -c /etc/apache2/mythtvusers myname, and then I restart apache

[14:58:36]

minimec:

please help me... I am killing my fucking computer ;)

[14:58:42]

juski:

laga: did you ever see that case mod where someone had sprayed the case black & put a slim dvd drive in there?

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laga:

juski: i think so, yes. i even have a spare slim dvd drive but it's confusing – the dirve in my laptop has got a slighty different connector so i dunno if there's a real standard.

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juski:

I'm trying to find it.. not having any luck

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laga:

sorry, dunno where i saw it

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minimec:

PLease... Can anybody give me some help with mythweb?

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gbee:

minimec: be patient

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rsdvd:

minimec : if your server is not directly connected to the internet – then just get rid of the authentication

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minimec:

gbee: I do understand you... but after three hours of debugging, I am quiet mad. So please... Do understand me too ;)

[15:04:37]

juski:

shouting louder does not guarantee you get the right kind of attention

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minimec:

rsdvd: So I would comment (#) AuthType AuthName AuthUserFile ?

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rsdvd:

I have not looked in a .htaccess for a long time – but theoretically yes.

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minimec:

rsdvd: When I do that, I get Database Access Denied ... Pease see .htaccess for instructions

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rsdvd:

do't forget 'require valid-user'

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laga:

minimec: did you actually set the username and passwort for mysql access in the .htaccess?

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rsdvd:

arh – "Database Access Denied" has nothign to do with the authentication

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minimec:

laga: setenv db_login "mythtv"; setenv db_password "mypass"

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rsdvd:

check you have a setenv section and you are using mod_env

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laga:

minimec: check the error logs as well

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juski:

rsdvd, laga: http://s100.maximilian-roth.de/umbau1.htm

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laga:

juski: omg! he put a fan in there. heretic!

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minimec:

laga: error logs of apache?

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psm321:

check the permissions on the htaccess file??'

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rsdvd:

juski : I was goign to same the same – surly the point of these is to be silent

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minimec:

psm321: This is an idea. I will verify that.

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juski:

rsdvd: doesn't need a fan though does it... ;)

[15:11:24]

rsdvd:

why did he add one?

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minimec:

psm321: owner mythtv (rw) group www-data (ro)

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Dibblah:

Personally, I have a deep hatred of blue LEDs, especially on AV stuff that's going to be in line-of-sight.

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rsdvd:

I think it looks better in silver – personally

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psm321:

minimec: and what does apache run as? and what group is it in?

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laga:

juski: look! he's also got an s100 in his car: http://s100.maximilian-roth.de/s100fiesta/s100fiesta1.jpg

[15:15:40]

Merlin83b:

And no room for luggage!

[15:16:02]

GreyFoxx:

Anyone using gcc 4.1.x and running svn from the last 24 hours her e?

[15:16:20]

fryfrog:

Dibblah: why, cause they are so damn bright?

[15:16:25]

psm321:

minimec: i gtg, good luck

[15:16:29]

minimec:

psm321: I don't think, that this is an permission problem... I am checking the apache error logs ...

[15:16:34]

Dibblah:

laga: I'd hate to have to change the tire on that...

[15:16:34]

minimec:

psm321: THX

[15:16:41]

Dibblah:

fryfrog: Mainly, yes.

[15:17:08]

fryfrog:

i hate the blue led on my center speaker sitting on my pc monitor, at night it is to bright :(

[15:17:21]

Dibblah:

(The spare is underneath, but is lowered by a screw from inside the boot)

[15:17:32]

Dibblah:

fryfrog: Duck tape.

[15:18:03]

psm321:

or electrical tape

[15:19:00]

Dr_willis:

fingernail polish

[15:19:01]

Dr_willis:

:)

[15:20:44]

minimec:

laga: I checked the apache error logs. ;) I guess I see the problem ...

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rsdvd:

minimec : go on – enlighten us – what had you done?

[15:27:18]

minimec:

rsdvd: Still not working.

[15:28:05]

minimec:

rsdvd: I have an 'could not open password file'-error in the apache error logs

[15:28:37]

minimec:

rsdvd: That is driving me crazy ... ;)

[15:28:43]

rsdvd:

does it say why it could not open it?

[15:29:18]

minimec:

rsdvd: Yeah... But I set chmod 660 to the password file...

[15:30:37]

rsdvd:

where is the password file? is it in a directory your apache user can access?

[15:31:47]

minimec:

rsdvd: I saved it on /var/www now for testing. Before it was in /etc/apache2

[15:32:28]

rsdvd:

what type of authenitcation are you using – basic or digest?

[15:32:53]

juski:

rsdvd: why did he add one? hmmm... why did he paint it black?! arghh! the man has no taste, obviously ;)

[15:33:09]

minimec:

rsdvd: I changed to basic. I was not able to run htdigest without errors...

[15:33:22]

rsdvd:

juski : lol – exactly – the black looks vile

[15:33:30]

juski:

lol @ the car pc too

[15:33:38]

juski:

may aswell have used a midi-tower box

[15:33:41]

minimec:

rsdvd: Can you tell me what the 'realm' option is?

[15:33:43]

rsdvd:

minimec : I have mine set to digest

[15:34:07]

juski:

carpc? voom, ftw :)

[15:34:11]

rsdvd:

minimec : when you create your password file you define what realm it is for

[15:34:20]

jams:

GreyFoxx- i had planned on updating, something I should look for?

[15:34:42]

juski:

minimec: you're not using svn mythweb are you?

[15:34:45]

rsdvd:

juski : did you see is second mod? jurned it into a CD player using an old DVD case

[15:34:50]

minimec:

rsdvd: I do not understand what 'realm' means.

[15:35:24]

rsdvd:

a realm is a 'domain' for authenication (comes from NT world)

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minimec:

juski: nope. I am on a simple ubuntu edgy with the packages of the repository

[15:35:25]

quicksilver:

minimec: a realm is a word you put in your .htaccess file

[15:35:53]

rsdvd:

so you can have different password files for differnet pages/sites etc

[15:35:54]

minimec:

quicksilver: what word would that be?

[15:36:15]

quicksilver:

minimec: any old word

[15:36:32]

rsdvd:

mythweb would be good :-)

[15:37:06]

GreyFoxx:

jams: Someone reported compile problems with changes I make to the plugins, but my suspicion is that he's updating the plugins BEFORE updating the mythtv core which are required for the changes to work :)

[15:37:07]

rsdvd:

juski : yes it is ugly.......if you are going to that effort – use a nice looking case to start with

[15:37:21]

GreyFoxx:

I just wanted someone to test it and make sure it wasn't some wacky gcc comjpiler problem

[15:37:23]

minimec:

quicksilver: Let's do an example. I do 'htdigest -c /var/www/mythtvusers mythtv user1 Would that be correct? so mythtv would be my realm?

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jams:

ah..I can do that

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rsdvd:

you are creating a digest password file – I thoughtyou were using basic authentication

[15:38:24]

jams:

in fact let me try the plugins first and see if it fails

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minimec:

rsdvd: That was just for learning purpose ;) I use htpasswd until now ;)

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rsdvd:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

jams: It should dpending on how new your mythtv core install is

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jams:

oh the core doesn't have the getsettings change you made

[15:39:56]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

[15:39:58]

jams:

assuming thats what the problem is

[15:40:04]

GreyFoxx:

I think that's his problem

[15:42:48]

jams:

yep plugins failed

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jams:

let me update core

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ivor:

kslater: pong

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ivor:

afternoon all.

[15:57:44]

jams:

hi

[15:58:04]

ivor:

hi jams

[15:58:11]

ivor:

What a week. I'm shattered.

[15:58:46]

ivor:

updated the build configurations and all projects for our library. just over 5 million lines of code.

[15:58:51]

ivor:

lots of rebuilds and testing.

[15:59:11]

ivor:

and then had to give a lecture this morning on debugging techniques!

[15:59:54]

ivor:

I was worried I'd have trouble filling an hour. reading through my notes on the train this morning.

[16:00:03]

ivor:

... was still going three hours later! :)

[16:00:23]

jams:

heh, hope you gave them a break

[16:00:30]

ivor:

nope.

[16:00:50]

ivor:

just slammed them with info

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ivor:

I am very hoarse.

[16:01:40]

jams:

GreyFoxx- after updateing core the plugins compile fine with gcc version 4.1.1

[16:04:37]

dagfinnr:

hello. Im forced to go from getting signals from analog antenna (cable) to composite/svideo with a IP-STB. i have now added composite settings in mythtv-setup and removed the settings from Tuner1. But im having problems getting any signal from the composite. Is there any easy way to clear the old settings from the database?

[16:05:10]

ivor:

juski: pingle

[16:07:46]

dagfinnr:

is there any way to reset the db back to where it was when mythtv was installed or something?

[16:08:36]

rsdvd:

dagfinnr : if you are changing your inputs then just use 'delete all' from the mythtv-setup...then re-create your inputs

[16:09:34]

dagfinnr:

ok. i'll try that

[16:11:53]

juski:

ivor: pongle

[16:12:27]

ivor:

lo. couldn't get crystal palace properly despite spending the weekend twiddling. :(

[16:12:28]

juski:

just having a quick celebrate about fixing our prototype dome camera :)

[16:12:37]

ivor:

heh

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juski:

oof.

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fryfrog:

dagfinnr: try deleting your tuner, the line ups and all that stuff

[16:12:45]

fryfrog:

then re-adding them

[16:12:55]

fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

someone already told you :)

[16:13:13]

ivor:

think I'll hook up my DVB-S card and try to get HD off satellite instead.

[16:13:58]

juski:

ivor: I think they're in dvb-s2 :(

[16:14:10]

** ivor mutters **

[16:14:25]

juski:

hope I remembered that wrong

[16:14:49]

juski:

it's not hard to get hold of test clips though

[16:15:18]

ivor:

or I investigate funkier aerials.

[16:15:27]

** gbee points at stuarta **

[16:15:28]

ivor:

house already looks like GCHQ mind.

[16:15:29]

juski:

btw dunno if you were round when I was whooping about it, but minimyth is back in service on my frontend. playback is now smoooo-oo-oo-oo-oooth )

[16:15:40]

ivor:

missed that,.. nice one.

[16:15:50]

ivor:

I'm rather pleased with my diskless frontend too.

[16:15:53]

ivor:

rocking along.

[16:15:57]

juski:

the difference? running mythfrontend as an unprivileged user, mainly

[16:16:32]

juski:

I'm gonan be trying to build minimyth in FC within vmware tonight

[16:16:55]

jams:

that sounds backwords

[16:17:27]

juski:

I could have just installed FC on my desktop box, but mrs juski hates linux

[16:17:48]

GreyFoxx:

jams: Thanks, I was hoping that was the case

[16:18:15]

juski:

jams: minimyth uses GAR to build it.. multi-stage process to check & double-check all the binaries & libs to make for a v. small footprint (or something)

[16:18:31]

juski:

worth a bash anyway

[16:18:47]

GreyFoxx:

juski: So your stuttery playback problems are gone just by running as a non root user ?

[16:18:58]

juski:

if all else fails I'll just end up going back to slack & hackering it to pieces

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juski:

GreyFoxx: basically

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GreyFoxx:

juski: Crazy

[16:19:45]

GreyFoxx:

But then I've always run the frontend as a regular user so I wouldn't have noticed that being a problem. Certainly good to know if people have that problem again so they can try it

[16:19:49]

juski:

stuarta mentioned er.. priority inversion, which I don't quite understand but it didn't matter one bit if I had rtp enabled or not

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GreyFoxx:

So somehow root was getting the lowest priorty on the system,m....wacky

[16:20:37]

juski:

unless minimyth always has the +s flag set.. but then i don't know anything about how that works

[16:20:48]

juski:

and don't _want_ to know either thanks :)

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GreyFoxx:

sometimes, as long as it works, that's all that matters :)

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ShorTie:

yuppers

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ivor:

juski: oh FYI mine runs as root smoothly though.

[16:25:36]

jams:

hmm mythcopy might be a decent plugin, haven't fully decided yet

[16:25:39]

minimec:

rsdvd: Still have my problem. You are using 'Digest' aren't you? Do you use AuthUserFile or AuthDigestFile in you .htaccess?

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dagfinnr:

hmm..I've got an error when trying to watch at Composite1: MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding.. what could cause this? is there any problems with the ivtv driver?

[16:31:35]

GreyFoxx:

b

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dagfinnr:

b? :)

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gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: what's up? you wanted to talk to my alter ego? ;)

[16:33:01]

Milosch:

i wonder if it has been considered to add another selection when scheduling a recording, namely a reminder via OSD

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Milosch:

i.e. don't record just remind

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Milosch:

i found an external perl script and modified it to do that, but it's not really ideal

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rsdvd:

minimec : AuthUserFile......you only need to use AuthDigestFile for old versions of Apache

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minimec:

rsdvd: I have seen that... I am so fucked up with that mythweb ...

[16:36:44]

minimec:

rsdvd: I will start from the beginning ...

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jams:

GreyFoxx- just read that guys email. His compile error is the same one I got before updating core

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rsdvd:

minimec ; you shoudl be able to simply comment out the authentication section and it will work (just no security)

[16:42:54]

minimec:

rsdvd: That does not work. I tried that. I get a message that I should modify my .htaccess.

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rsdvd:

the message you posted earlier? that was nothing to do with authentication – if was about connecting to the database

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minimec:

rsdvd: Well I get that message..., but I modified db_password

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rsdvd:

are you sure your apache has mod_env installed? it is needed for the database stuff

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minimec:

rsdvd: What a question. I will have to check that.

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minimec:

rsdvd: Listen ... I have to think things over. I need a break. I am not concetrated anymore. This is driving me crazy. Maybe I'll be back in a few hours.

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rsdvd:

lol – ok ! I am sure there will be poeple around to help you then

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rsdvd:

basically – remove the mythweb directory tree, and start again

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minimec:

rsdvd: Yeah ;) I am quiet sure ... THX for your help

[16:50:42]

minimec:

rsdvd: apt-get remove -purge mythweb ;)

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Milosch:

oh well, it's in the wiki now...

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wega_:

so my remote works with mythtv except that it repeats the keys like crazy. the 'repeat' and 'delay' keywords in .lircrc seem to have no effect

[17:39:35]

juski:

wega_: mythfrontend only reads lircrc once when it loads, so if you make changes afterwards they won't take effect til you restart mythfrontend

[17:39:53]

wega_:

juski: yeah i know i have been doing that

[17:40:25]

wega_:

it seems that the changes are only seen when i am actually in the watch recordings screen as i am looking through the recorded shows

[17:40:48]

Milosch:

might need to adjust the lircd, check with irw to see if that repeats in the same way

[17:40:50]

wega_:

but the problem is still there on the first two screens of myth

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Milosch:

or maybe you have sticky keys enabled?

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Milosch:

never used that so i can't be sure

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wega_:

is that a mythtv setting?

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Milosch:

somewhere in the frontend settings, maybe under tv playback

[17:42:04]

wega_:

hmmmm

[17:42:07]

wega_:

i will check

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juski:

sticky keys only affects playback

[17:42:15]

wega_:

ok nm

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Milosch:

yeah

[17:42:27]

wega_:

this is only a problem on the first two screens

[17:42:39]

Milosch:

that's pretty weird

[17:42:43]

wega_:

agreed

[17:42:58]

Milosch:

may only be most obvious there

[17:43:18]

Milosch:

try irw and press some keys

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wega_:

when i am browsing the recorded shows the 'repeat' keywords work as expected

[17:43:30]

wega_:

irw shows them repeated of course

[17:43:39]

Milosch:

i have one machine that sometimes triggers number 8 when running volume down

[17:44:13]

wega_:

all irw will tell me is if the lircd.conf is working properly

[17:44:14]

Milosch:

and other misbehavior, haven't messed with the settings much

[17:44:23]

wega_:

.lircrc is how you control it

[17:44:40]

Milosch:

wega_: but also if some or all of the keys are repeating more than you would expect

[17:44:58]

Milosch:

so it's a valid test, if you did it already then fine

[17:45:00]

wega_:

all the keys are consisten

[17:45:04]

Milosch:

cool

[17:45:27]

wega_:

i am wondering if i need to alter the myth key bindings or something

[17:45:48]

Milosch:

sure you don't have duplicate entries in the lircrc

[17:46:38]

wega_:

i am sure.... if that were the case i should see the same behavior when borwsing recorded shows right?

[17:47:19]

Milosch:

maybe so

[17:47:36]

wega_:

this is a bit maddening huh

[17:48:20]

Milosch:

what kind of remote is it anyway?

[17:48:34]

wega_:

sony rm-y181

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wega_:

there is a config file for it on lirc

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juski:

remapping the key bindings will accomplish nothing

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wega_:

if that is what you wanted to know

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wega_:

juski: ok

[17:49:07]

juski:

when you try irw how many lines do you get output from just one button press?

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wega_:

3–4

[17:49:26]

wega_:

if i'm quick

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Milosch:

seems a bit much, imo

[17:49:48]

juski:

nah it's normal

[17:50:02]

juski:

remote codes are sent several times

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wega_:

yeah that should be fine i i should just control it with lircrc

[17:50:25]

Milosch:

i've been consistently able to click and see only one, oh well

[17:50:28]

juski:

let's see your lircrc file in a pastebin

[17:50:32]

wega_:

so if i see it 3–4 times then in lirc repeat = 5 should be good

[17:50:41]

wega_:

ok you got it

[17:52:35]

wega_:

just put in my name and hit send??

[17:52:50]

wega_:

nm here you go http://pastebin.com/861424

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juski:

whoah that was fast for pastebin.com

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Milosch:

heh

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wega_:

it took a while

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wega_:

but i guess not that long :)

[17:55:24]

juski:

where are your arrow keys in that file?

[17:55:36]

wega_:

up down left right

[17:55:38]

juski:

ah I get it

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juski:

I think you need some delay = lines in there

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wega_:

delay has no effect and neither does repeat

[17:56:13]

wega_:

i can try again for you

[17:56:15]

Milosch:

your up down left right repeats are different, you know

[17:56:25]

wega_:

i am only trying up and down for now

[17:56:31]

Milosch:

ah

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wega_:

once i get those i will do the rest

[17:56:47]

juski:

this might be useful too

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wega_:

not fun to do them all eveytime

[17:56:53]

juski:

repeat: tells the program what shall happen if a key is repeated. A value of zero tells the program to ignore repeated keys

[17:57:08]

wega_:

juski: i know i tried that as well

[17:57:21]

juski:

and "delay: tells the program to ignore the specified number of key repeats before using the "repeat" configuration directive above."

[17:57:40]

wega_:

a good thing about me is a try to rtfm

[17:57:49]

wega_:

like i said all the things you are telling me to try

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juski:

heheh. we don't see that in here often enough believe me

[17:58:08]

wega_:

i have tried and they are effective only after the first two screens

[17:58:09]

juski:

you end up just assuming nobody does

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wega_:

so if i change the repeat value from 5 to 100 i will see that change effective when viewing recorded programs

[17:58:51]

juski:

wega_: does your remote also happen to emulate a keyboard? I mean is the receiver a HID (USB or something?)

[17:58:53]

wega_:

but not before then

[17:59:09]

juski:

wega_: that doesn't make any sense in all honesty

[17:59:16]

wega_:

juski: no i am using the zapway serial reciever

[17:59:23]

juski:

weird

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wega_:

juski: nothing in software does

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wega_:

<-- sw enginerd

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juski:

being a technician I'm not a big fan of engineers

[18:00:29]

wega_:

i cant tell you how many times i have looked at something and said that is impossible and then firgured out why and said oh yeah well that makes sense

[18:00:39]

wega_:

juski: well i <3 you

[18:00:56]

juski:

then he says "can you fix that?"

[18:00:59]

juski:

anyway..

[18:01:02]

wega_:

juski: i understand completely

[18:01:02]

juski:

I digress...

[18:01:29]

wega_:

maybe those first two screens are holding on to a cached version of the lircrc file

[18:01:32]

wega_:

could be a bug?

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juski:

try looking at the pastebin again. I've taken the repeat lines out from the arrow keys

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wega_:

ok i can try that but i think i have

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wega_:

hang on

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juski:

you ARE altering the right lircrc file aren't you?

[18:04:24]

juski:

;)

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wega_:

the one in ~/.lircrc

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juski:

is that symlinked to ~/.mythtv/lircrc ?

[18:05:06]

wega_:

yeah

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wega_:

issue?

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juski:

I dunno

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juski:

maybe try just copying it into ~/.mythtv/lircrc & see if it makes a difference

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wega_:

oh well i am REALLY editing ~/.mythtvlircrc

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wega_:

~/.mythtv/lircrc*

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wega_:

and either way brings up the correct file

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Kronuz:

hello

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gardengnome:

juski: afaik, you can use ~/.lircrc as well. at least in svn trunk

[18:09:42]

Kronuz:

hey, is the scheduler located in the server? can it be set to just change the channel at some time?

[18:09:54]

Kronuz:

(instead of start recording)

[18:10:13]

Kronuz:

just chang ethe channle and keep the PVR running for timeshifting, etc.

[18:11:08]

gardengnome:

what are you trying to achieve? nxtvepg?

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Kronuz:

what's the use of having master/slave backends?

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Dr_willis:

whats the use of distrubuted systems in general. :)

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Kronuz:

but I mean for MythTV

[18:13:11]

Kronuz:

just so that many clients can connect?

[18:13:29]

kslater:

so you can make use of lots of tuners

[18:13:34]

Kronuz:

how many clients can generally connect to a single backend

[18:13:41]

kslater:

or so you can utilize the machine that's a remote fe as a be

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kslater:

Kronuz seems like the bandwidth would be an issue first

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Dr_willis:

Its easier to design flexability in from the beginning. :)

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Dr_willis:

then to add it later

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Kronuz:

hey, where's MythTV protocol and underlying architecture documented?

[18:14:56]

Kronuz:

server/client protocol

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kslater:

I think there's an effort to document that on the wiki

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GreyFoxx:

Kronuz: If there is anything it's on the wiki

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Kronuz:

'cause maybe I'll be getting into programming a lot of stuff in the backend

[18:16:29]

GreyFoxx:

But, basically the code is the docs

[18:16:49]

Kronuz:

who's an active programmer of MythTV

[18:16:50]

Kronuz:

?

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GreyFoxx:

There is a libary out there for talking to the backend so that might have some docs

[18:16:56]

GreyFoxx:

There are many

[18:17:13]

Kronuz:

are you one of them, GreyFoxx?

[18:17:15]

GreyFoxx:

yes

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Dr_willis:

'the few, the proud, the Legions of Myth!

[18:17:31]

Kronuz:

and what about you, kslater?

[18:17:40]

Kronuz:

or you Dr_willis? :)

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** Dr_willis is a mythtv-abuser :) i manage to break it **

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Kronuz:

:P

[18:18:12]

** kslater has submitted exactly 1 patch **

[18:18:17]

Kronuz:

hopefully I'll be using MythTV code in some production environment to capture TV for streaming

[18:18:18]

kslater:

just a long time user

[18:18:43]

Kronuz:

so I'll putting some time into it :)

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juski:

Kronuz: hopefully not streaming to the teeming masses. there are legal implications with that

[18:19:00]

Kronuz:

teeming masses?

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Kronuz:

what legal implications could there be?

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kslater:

anyone ever discussed connecting a really remote frontend? Say from a vacation home or whatever

[18:19:40]

Kronuz:

juski: you mean about the streamed content?

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juski:

Kronuz: yup

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Kronuz:

oh, don't worry

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Kronuz:

it's all legal content

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juski:

s/of/or

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juski:

place-shifting is fine, but not mass streaming

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Kronuz:

kslater: yeah, I know, I won't be streaming TV signals just like that

[18:20:46]

kslater:

juski – good point

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kslater:

you'd need a big pipe to move the data across

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kslater:

or you could request a show and let it xfer to a holding location in the background and then import it

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kslater:

that'd require a remote fe/slave be tho

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Kronuz:

GreyFoxx: What parts of the code are you most into?

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juski:

that's taking 'remote fe/be' to an impractical extreme

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Kronuz:

what's that fe/be?

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juski:

frontend / backend

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Kronuz:

oh

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Kronuz:

:P

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kslater:

yeah, just thinking is all

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kslater:

Mom's cabin (which I sometimes use) has very little in the way of TV signal

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kslater:

although it would probably get some OTA HD now I guess

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kslater:

time to go to the office

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Kronuz:

cya kslater

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Kronuz:

hmm.. probably I at least make some clean and complete documentation about the protocol, and some other areas of MythTV backend

[18:32:05]

Kronuz:

(I hope)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Kronuz:

:)

[18:38:01]

gbee:

would be good

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gbee:

the issue of documentation seems to have come up a lot in the last few days

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GreyFoxx:

Check the wiki to see what if anything is there

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GreyFoxx:

and add any new docs there

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GreyFoxx:

cause any changes any of us make are more likely to be updated in the wiki than if you host the docs yourself :)

[18:40:28]

Kronuz:

yep :)

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Kronuz:

I'll be getting into the source code too

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Kronuz:

(I have some experience with C)

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Kronuz:

is it C or C++

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Kronuz:

?

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GreyFoxx:

C++

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GreyFoxx:

programs/mythbackend/mainserver.cpp

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GreyFoxx:

that's pretty much everything there

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Kronuz:

even better

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Kronuz:

I have a bit more experience with C++ :)

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Kronuz:

hmm

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Kronuz:

in the MythTV source code

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Kronuz:

are the be and the fe mixed in the same folder?

[18:58:22]

Kronuz:

is the whole backend at mythtv/programs/mythbackend ?

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visit0r:

no, it uses the libs, they are pretty much "frontends" that implement the main + something on top of that

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visit0r:

they=stuff under programs/* AFAIK

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rtsai:

Heh. Backend logging is cool.

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[g2]:

what do you guys use for mpeg2 editing ?

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rtsai:

In-laws are visiting, and here from work I can know what they're watching.

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Kronuz:

it'll be fun if I really get intow working with MythTV

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simplton:

Is there anyone here familiar with the DirectTV D10–300 and how to connect to the serial port?

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juski:

[g2]: I use mythtv

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gbee:

[g2]: ditto

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** [g2] is getting mytv setup, but I don't know if I'm crazy about the UI **

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juski:

[g2]: so don't use it then

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juski:

nice knowing you, etc

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Kronuz:

GreyFoxx: (I'd be using 18 video capture cards)

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quitte:

hi. i can'T get my dvb-s card workingwith mythtv anymore. szap and xawtv work 100% fine. excellent signal quality. but with mythtv i can't scan for channels and importing channels.conf doesn't result in working tv,either.

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gbee:

quitte: helpful if you tell us which version etc

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jams:

anyway to tell the backend that it's not using a card when it thinks it is? I prefer to not restart the M.B.E.

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quitte:

gbee: debian etch. 0.20 same problem with the packages from marilltand from some repository mentioned on mythwiki.de. i386

[19:07:39]

quitte:

also it doesn'T show the fonts in the mainmenu of mythtv-setup

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GreyFoxx:

Kronuz: I saw you mention that. My biggest question is how the drivers will react or if they will need special code to work with the pci expansion slots you mentioned

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Kronuz:

GreyFoxx: yeah, that's what's worrying me

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GreyFoxx:

I've never used any before so I don't know

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mkrufky:

i think that the current record is 11 dvb cards in 1 box

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mkrufky:

i read it on slashdot last year

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Kronuz:

I just wrote an email to MAGMA (the company that builds the expansions) asking them if they have drivers for *nix

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GreyFoxx:

Using a regular pci bus? (11 slots?)

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mkrufky:

probably six PCI, five usb

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mkrufky:

or vice versa

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** mkrufky googles it **

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mkrufky:

thats a hot idea... i wonder if it would work

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Kronuz:

GreyFoxx: that's for 13 PCI each

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quitte:

woah. i've just got 8 pci slots

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Kronuz:

I'd use 2 of them

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GreyFoxx:

ahh

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Kronuz:

(26 slots)

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Kronuz:

but I'd be using just 18 cards first

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Kronuz:

WinTV-PVR-150MCE

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GreyFoxx:

I'd love to play with something like that to try and get it working

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[g2]:

GreyFoxx you'll need some pci bridges in the box as the PCI spec has loading factors

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GreyFoxx:

regcording from cable ?

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Kronuz:

yep, it's going to be fun

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Kronuz:

GreyFoxx: where are you?

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Kronuz:

US?

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GreyFoxx:

Canada

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Kronuz:

I see

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GreyFoxx:

Kronuz, if you are recording from Coax you could possiblly use 9 PVR500's

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Kronuz:

yeah, or that...but I think it'd be more expensive :P

[19:13:13]

Kronuz:

the 150 are just about 74

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Kronuz:

or something

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Kronuz:

and the 500 are 174

[19:13:31]

Kronuz:

but indeed, it's probably cheaper

[19:13:38]

Kronuz:

'cause I wouldn't need the extra expansion

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quitte:

ok. i got the menus fixed by installing msttcorefonts.

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Kronuz:

GreyFoxx: hmm that's a good idea! :)

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[g2]:

Kronuz I guess "cheaper" doesn't count your labor

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GreyFoxx:

Kronuz: Also consider drive io, so you will want to spread the writes accross multiple drives. Either with some sort of raid or storage groups to write to different drives (avialable in svn)

[19:14:59]

Kronuz:

what I liked about the 150 was they had the RCA directly there in the card

[19:15:14]

Kronuz:

I'll use RAID 1+0

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Kronuz:

with four 15K SAS drives

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GreyFoxx:

Is this for you or for a work/business project ?

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Kronuz:

it's something I'll need for work

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GreyFoxx:

I'm curious how much the expansion chassis and card cost

[19:16:01]

Kronuz:

the expansions are 2 grands each

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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Kronuz:

+/-

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Kronuz:

the 500 looks better indeed

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Kronuz:

I'd just need an expansion with those

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Kronuz:

(and I guess it's still supported by the ivtv driver)

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Milosch:

yep

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Kronuz:

hey, can the MythTV backend record audio too?

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Milosch:

btw, PVR-500 is less than 140 from newegg

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xris:

yes

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Kronuz:

Milosch: yeah, I think I'll use the PVR-500

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Kronuz:

sounds like a better choice

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[g2]:

Kronuz is there a deadline on the project ?

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Milosch:

it comes with one extra set of inputs for the backplane, and you can add yet another

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Kronuz:

yep, it looks great

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Kronuz:

I'd be saving on the extra PCI expansion too

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mkrufky:

i built a new backend server without xmltv (for a test) it is getting 100% scheduling info from EIT... I looked in mythweb, and only a handful of channels are set to "use onair guide" ... (i got my channels from mythtv-setup channel scan) ... how did it decide which channels to use onairguide, and which not?

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Kronuz:

is the schedule kept in the backend?

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mkrufky:

does it decide that based on whether or not EIT is present during the initial channel scan?

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Kronuz:

I mean the xml stuff

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mkrufky:

yeah, in mysql

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xris:

Kronuz: it's not stored in xml

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Kronuz:

I'd like to decouple the backend more... to make the server more "abstract" and general

[19:25:46]

Kronuz:

(move some functionality and stuff to the client)

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** [g2] is currently decoupled at /dev/video[0|1] **

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xris:

Kronuz: that's going in the opposite direction from where most people want to get mythtv

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Kronuz:

really?

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xris:

trying to put more functionality in the backend to make the frontend more lightweight.

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** [g2] guesses Kronuz wants to scale **

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Kronuz:

well, it'd be like codewise, not fr the user

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Kronuz:

for the users I agree, it should be like a single app (for many at least)

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xris:

frontend is about a dozen apps

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xris:

managed by a main app

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Kronuz:

yep

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xris:

but codewise, more stuff in the backend is good. means less RAM/etc needed in the frontend, and less configuration.

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xris:

there is already work in progress to pull database access out of the frontend, too.

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Kronuz:

xris: well, certain things are good to have in the backend yes

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Kronuz:

database access is one of them, I suppose

[19:29:35]

Kronuz:

it's better to have a single protocol communicating with the backend

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Kronuz:

(instead of MythTV's and also the database)

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xris:

and file access, and scheduling, and job management.

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Kronuz:

yep

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xris:

that's the whole point of having multiple backends.

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xris:

the frontend is a lightweight player, the backend does all the work

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Kronuz:

exactly

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Kronuz:

I like that too

[19:30:35]

Kronuz:

still I don't get why was QT used for the backend too

[19:30:43]

Kronuz:

(I can understand it for the frontend)

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Kronuz:

but the backend could have used just STL

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xris:

because Qt is more than just gui widgets. has a whole library of audio/video handlers, etc.

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Kronuz:

oh

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Kronuz:

didn't know about the audio/video handlers

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xris:

database connectivity, etc.

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Kronuz:

I knew it had STL like functionality tho'

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xris:

I don't recognize the acronym

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Kronuz:

Standard Template Library

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mkrufky:

Does the mythtv-setup channel scan determine whether or not a given channel is set to "use onair guide" ?

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xris:

mkrufky: you have to set that flag

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Kronuz:

it's where the maps, lists, vectors and some common algorithms are provided via templates in C++

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xris:

since many people in the US will do a channel scan but let zap2it manage the guide.

[19:33:06]

xris:

Kronuz: qt is a lot more than that.

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mkrufky:

xris: on a fresh, new installation, some channels are flagged to use it, others are not ... im just trying to determine why / how

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xris:

if you have genuine coding questions, feel free to chat in #mythtv.

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Kronuz:

I know, but I thought it was just widgets more than that :P

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xris:

mkrufky: it might set it as a default for scanned channels (it doesn't conflict with downloaded guide data, just overwrites it)

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RacerX2oo3:

Has anyone built a frontend system using a CF/IDE adapter as a primary storage solution. It sounds like it would be ideal?

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mkrufky:

xris: on this box i am not using zap2it at all ... all channels were found from mythtv channel scan

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Paladine:

anyone here in the UK?

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xris:

RacerX2oo3: I think you want the minimyth distro.. juski knows about it.

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janneg:

mkrufky: for DVB the SDT has a flag whether the cannel has guide data. I assume ATSC has something similar

[19:35:11]

Paladine:

is so please digg this http://www.digg.com/security/Information_Comm . . . ngerprinting

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mkrufky:

RacerX2oo3: CF cant handle random read / writes

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xris:

mkrufky: zap2it is nice because the guide data extends further.. but that's cool.

[19:35:28]

mkrufky:

janneg: ok, thats what i wanted to know... thanks

[19:35:43]

Kronuz:

the backend doesn't have to have X11 installed does it?

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Kronuz:

(maybe it does)

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RacerX2oo3:

mkrufky: My understanding is that CF can be used as an IDE replacement solution ... http://www.acscontrol.com/Index_ACS.asp?Page= . . . _Adapter.htm

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xris:

Kronuz: shouldn't. but most distros tend to force qt to require x

[19:36:45]

Kronuz:

so I'd have to recompile qt

[19:36:54]

mkrufky:

RacerX2oo3: it's true... .but only certain CF unit can really handle the random read/writes

[19:37:17]

mkrufky:

RacerX2oo3: if it's a true cf FLASH, then it probably cant do it...... but if it's a microdrive, then sure would work fine

[19:37:27]

mkrufky:

they both speak IDE

[19:37:45]

xris:

Kronuz: it's just hard drive space. and not very much in the grand scheme of things

[19:38:00]

Kronuz:

yeah

[19:38:04]

Kronuz:

it's not as bad

[19:38:05]

Kronuz:

:)

[19:38:32]

mkrufky:

RacerX2oo3: i wrote a 1 page howto on how to build knoppix-on-cf .... you might find it interesting, although it not really related to your question: http://techsounds.org/linux/cf/

[19:38:50]

GreyFoxx:

Kronuz: Yeah, you will need X installed

[19:39:38]

Kronuz:

it's alright... I'm sort of X11phobic tho'

[19:39:45]

Kronuz:

^_^

[19:39:57]

xris:

need to get cesman to make a frontend-only knopmyth-on-usb-key distro...

[19:40:16]

RacerX2oo3:

mkrufky: I'll take a look, although your right, my primary interest is speed and low power using a CF boot rather than a HD or Network bootable frontend

[19:40:17]

xris:

which I think will be totally possible once the frontend auto-detects the backend.

[19:42:47]

Honk:

just nmap the local network for an open mythtv-default port :]

[19:43:01]

GreyFoxx:

xris: Looks like cdev has commited some of the library stuff for that

[19:43:23]

jtate:

zeroconf

[19:43:23]

GreyFoxx:

Honk: We want more than just "port 6543 is open" :)

[19:43:36]

jams:

the commit looks like all thats needed is the frontend code

[19:43:36]

jtate:

avahi makes that stuff easy

[19:44:02]

GreyFoxx:

Going to do it via upnp to detect masters+slaves and likely get the mysql connection info

[19:44:05]

mkrufky:

RacerX2oo3: the moment that there exists a bootable CD image that can automagically detect and login to a mythbackend server, i will be running my mythfrontend from CF just as you say

[19:44:07]

GreyFoxx:

so the frontend wont need to know anything

[19:44:16]

GreyFoxx:

and if multiple masters are found it will ask you to pikc one

[19:44:19]

mkrufky:

RacerX2oo3: but until then, it isnt practical

[19:44:25]

gardengnome:

doesn't jams do autodetection stuff like that?

[19:44:26]

xris:

GreyFoxx: yeah, I saw. very cool stuff.

[19:44:28]

jams:

heh

[19:44:32]

jams:

gardengnome- yeah it does

[19:44:46]

GreyFoxx:

Then later start using the backend directly for data access

[19:44:51]

xris:

GreyFoxx: of course, doesn't help me. my mythbox is a single unit, and my workstation (occasionally a frontend) is in a different network segment so upnp doesn't work.

[19:44:53]

GreyFoxx:

until finally we can drop that too

[19:45:14]

GreyFoxx:

xris: Actually there is a upnp GW software which you can use

[19:45:35]

xris:

I know. couldn't find a package for it, and I got lazy.

[19:45:52]

GreyFoxx:

ahhh

[19:45:53]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[19:46:07]

juski:

heads up folks... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . p;highlight=

[19:46:16]

juski:

pretty scummy.. bad Hauppauge!

[19:46:21]

janneg:

mkrufky: I checked the source and apparently use onair guide should be enabled for all channels except hidden channels

[19:46:52]

GreyFoxx:

juski

[19:46:55]

GreyFoxx:

: wow

[19:47:20]

juski:

2 people have posted the same thing now, so watch yourselves out there folks

[19:47:23]

jams:

gardengnome- i decided that it shouldn't be announced to the world until after .21 is out

[19:47:35]

GreyFoxx:

how the hell can you put a different card in the thing and include the notice IN the box

[19:47:38]

jams:

my stuff uses svn libs and will not compile agains .20

[19:47:40]

Milosch:

yes, i was reading something along those lines on the ivtv devel list

[19:47:47]

gardengnome:

jams: yeppers :)

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juski:

on the plus side, cx88 mpeg drivers are starting to become mature now I think

[19:48:24]

jams:

course I can probably remove my autodetction cause .21 might have it

[19:48:32]

Milosch:

4–6 months of devel assuming available datasheets according to Hans

[19:48:59]

juski:

but an hvr900 doesn't have mpeg encoding, so this is very bad

[19:49:15]

Milosch:

pretty bad switcheroo, there

[19:49:26]

juski:

first samsung tuners & now this. they're not gonna win many linuxy friends

[19:49:40]

juski:

course it might just be a temporary problem

[19:50:42]

gardengnome:

juski: make that thread sticky?

[19:50:46]

juski:

yeah

[19:50:46]

Milosch:

hrm, the chip supposedly has an encoder

[19:51:14]

Milosch:

http://www.conexant.com/products/entry.jsp?id=150

[19:53:09]

juski:

wow the hvr900 is USB!

[19:53:13]

mkrufky:

janneg: sorry, i was afk

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juski:

that's even worse!

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Milosch:

any slowscan tv input cards work with mythtv? ;)

[19:55:36]

fryfrog:

damn, did you know that some pvr 150s are the new hvr1600?

[19:56:00]

Milosch:

sorry, i thought that's what we were talking about

[19:56:29]

fryfrog:

oh, you must have just read that email

[19:56:54]

Milosch:

pretty much, and was glad i already had my card

[19:57:00]

fryfrog:

me too

[19:57:07]

fryfrog:

even got a spare pvr500 and pvr 250 :)

[19:57:16]

mkrufky:

janneg: thats wierd then... i wonder why they didnt all get selected..... ALL of my HDTV channels were automatically set to use onair guide, but the SDTV channels arent

[19:57:22]

Milosch:

maybe if you can grab a 500 you can avoid this while supplies last

[19:58:14]

xris:

mkrufky: you in the US?

[19:58:22]

xris:

and getting OTA stuff?

[19:58:52]

SpacePope:

I just bought one from bestbuy.com, and I think that might be my problem

[19:59:20]

mkrufky:

xris: yes, i am in the US, and no, i am _only_ using QAM256 digital cable

[19:59:33]

** cesman ponders how much xris would pay him to make it happen ;) **

[19:59:46]

xris:

mkrufky: gotcha. might be a bug, assuming that SD stuff doesn't have EIT data (since it wouldn't OTA)

[19:59:47]

Milosch:

SpacePope: did you see my question in ivtv-dev?

[19:59:56]

janneg:

mkrufky: indeed strange, let me check 0.20

[19:59:58]

** cesman want to let xris know he is partial to Guinness! **

[20:00:01]

xris:

cesman: you want to start trading for mythweb features? ;)

[20:00:02]

fryfrog:

SpacePope: aparantly, according to the email... they are putting some of those HVR cards into the PVR150 boxes?

[20:00:11]

xris:

cesman: there are FAR better stouts in the US than guinness.

[20:00:34]

cesman:

give me a recomendation

[20:00:35]

** xris doesn't go for watered-down stouts. **

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xris:

cesman: St. Peter's Cream Stout. it's co2 instead of nitrogen, but it's tasty stuff.

[20:01:03]

cesman:

xris: sure, we can trade

[20:01:15]

mkrufky:

janneg: ok

[20:01:30]

cesman:

I'll have to remember that for the next time I go to bevmo

[20:01:32]

xris:

actually, I don't have much use for a usb knopmyth.. but it was one of the kinds of things talked about back in the LxM days.

[20:01:45]

xris:

cesman: damn you people from CA with your giant stores of liquory goodness.

[20:01:54]

xris:

(and cheap prices)

[20:01:59]

juski:

SpacePope: the HVR900 is a USB device.. like a fat USB memory stick

[20:02:00]

cesman:

rdt and I have talked about it for a while ourselves

[20:02:24]

fryfrog:

HVR1600 must be the pci one?

[20:02:24]

BULLE:

xris: everyplace is cheap, compared to sweden, where i live

[20:02:31]

Milosch:

fryfrog: think so

[20:02:45]

jams:

cesman- it's very easy todo, have it running here

[20:02:46]

juski:

the hvr1100 has been reported to have been substituted, as has the hvr1300 I think – both are PCI cards but linux driver support is either very new or non-existent as yet

[20:02:46]

xris:

BULLE: that could be true. I've never been to sweden.

[20:02:52]

BULLE:

juski: if i found a HVR900 in my pvr 150 box, i would just return it

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[20:03:11]

cesman:

jams: :)

[20:03:18]

xris:

BULLE: but I'll happily trade my government for slightly higher alcohol prices and saunas in every home.

[20:03:28]

cesman:

LOL

[20:03:44]

** cesman forms a line behind xris **

[20:03:47]

mkrufky:

juski: nah, hvr1100 and hvr1300 are totally different animals

[20:04:00]

Milosch:

1600 also does atsc, but doesn't do anything on linux ;(

[20:04:01]

mkrufky:

juski: hvr1300 has both dvb-t AND mpeg encoder

[20:04:16]

mkrufky:

hvr1600 is released already?!?

[20:04:22]

BULLE:

xris: you pay 72 usd dollars per liter of pure alcohol, in tax

[20:04:38]

BULLE:

xris: so a one liter bottle of vodka has a tax of about 30 usd

[20:04:40]

cesman:

damn!

[20:04:54]

cesman:

that isn't slightly higher...

[20:05:22]

juski:

gardengnome: made the original thread sticky, also made an announcement thread which is (hopefully) legally safe

[20:05:34]

BULLE:

cesman: you just have to make the booze at home instead =)

[20:06:24]

gardengnome:

just smoke pot.

[20:06:33]

[g2]:

and watch tv

[20:06:39]

Milosch:

save the money for your lawyer

[20:06:44]

[g2]:

time shifted of course :)

[20:06:53]

mkrufky:

smoke up the lawyer

[20:07:03]

xris:

BULLE: that's pretty steep. I think we're only at about 25% liquor tax here (I don't know how it breaks down, but that's about the average markup)

[20:07:45]

xris:

BULLE: actually, that's not that much more than here, depending on the base price of the alcohol.

[20:07:48]

mkrufky:

juski: about the hvr1100 substitution --- hvr1100 was substituted by hvr1110 .... the hvr1110 is saa7134 vs cx88 for 1100

[20:08:28]

janneg:

mkrufky: 0.20 is different and imho wrong. it uses !hidden_in_guide which is meaningless if the channel isn't hidden

[20:08:31]

juski:

wth are they playing at?

[20:08:56]

cesman:

BULLE: LOL!

[20:09:07]

mkrufky:

janneg: all of them are visible

[20:09:35]

cesman:

in case anyone is thinking of getting an n800...

[20:09:36]

BULLE:

xris: well, for a 1 liter bottle of 40% vodka i will be paying something like 50 usd

[20:09:48]

cesman:

I _HIGHLU_ recommend it

[20:09:52]

juski:

ok.. one report on the forums of a user buying a pvr150 & finding an hvr1600 in the box

[20:09:58]

BULLE:

cesman: i have been thinking about getting an n800

[20:10:03]

juski:

another of a pvr150 box containing an hvr900

[20:10:19]

xris:

BULLE: and here in WA, it could cost $5–100 for a 750ml bottle, depending on the quality..

[20:10:39]

xris:

would hate to have to pay $50 every time I need to buy myself a bottle of crap-vodka for sterilizing my brewing equipment.

[20:10:41]

juski:

$100 is a lot for vodka

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xris:

juski: designer vodkas are "in" these days.

[20:11:11]

xris:

personally, I think it's a load of crap (not a big fan of vodka)

[20:11:15]

juski:

but then I'm hardly a conn.. wossname. I just neck it til I have trouble standing up / seeing straight

[20:11:26]

juski:

true brit ;)

[20:11:55]

xris:

rum is my hard-stuff of choice these days.

[20:12:35]

Paladine:

juski, you are in the UK right?

[20:12:38]

BULLE:

xris: well, this is the cheapest thing available, the cheapest

[20:12:44]

[g2]:

juski "neck it" is that like a shot ?

[20:12:45]

juski:

look at the cx23418 specs... "Supports interlaced YPbPr inputs along with composite video and S-video"

[20:13:03]

Paladine:

juski, go and digg this http://www.digg.com/security/Information_Comm . . . ngerprinting

[20:13:07]

juski:

supports component input..

[20:13:10]

BULLE:

vodka here isnt "in" its teh cheapest type of booze

[20:13:11]

juski:

I don't digg

[20:13:19]

Paladine:

dude please digg it, for me

[20:13:27]

Paladine:

and for the future welfare of our nations children

[20:13:27]

** juski is not web2.0 compliant, sorry **

[20:13:51]

BULLE:

Paladine: shouldnt they take dna samples of the children aswell, and send them to guantanamo, they might be dangerous

[20:13:58]

juski:

what good will digging it do anyway?

[20:13:58]

fryfrog:

wow, they are finger printing *kids* in the UK?

[20:14:25]

Paladine:

juski, well it will gtet onto the digg front page if enough people digg it, and that will bring a huge amount of publicity to the issue

[20:14:31]

BULLE:

fryfrog: well, us are executing kids, and sending them to torture camps, so taking fingerprints isnt that harsh i think

[20:14:34]

BULLE:

but now i will stfu

[20:14:43]

fryfrog:

thats true

[20:14:47]

juski:

surely it'd be slightly less ineffective to launch a uk.gov petition & get The Register on the case

[20:14:59]

Paladine:

the register is already on the case

[20:15:07]

Paladine:

and I have already setup a petition on the pm site

[20:15:17]

Paladine:

it is currently awaiting approval

[20:15:36]

Paladine:

I have also blogged it and posted the story to several forums

[20:15:41]

juski:

fingerprinting kids is the thin end of the wedge

[20:15:43]

BULLE:

basicly, EVERYONE getting born in this country, has a blood sample taken, and stored, its for checking if the child has polyketonurea, a disease

[20:15:46]

Paladine:

it needs as much publicity as possible

[20:15:47]

janneg:

mkrufky: change libs/libmythtv/siscan.cpp:1161 to !vct->IsHidden() || !vct->IsHiddenInGuide() /* use on air guide */,

[20:15:54]

BULLE:

now, court alllows police to lift samples from that registry

[20:15:54]

Paladine:

other people simply won't know about the petition

[20:16:16]

Paladine:

Bulle, in the UK even the police are not permitted to keep the fingerprints of minors on file

[20:16:20]

cesman:

BULLE: http://www.bleb.org/software/770/

[20:16:27]

juski:

okay okay I'll break the habit of a lifetime & digg it

[20:16:39]

cesman:

you'll want 770-encode.pl if you get the 800

[20:16:44]

BULLE:

Paladine: i dont know the situation with fingerprints here, the trick here is that its the hospitals that keep the samples

[20:16:49]

Paladine:

the information commissioner's office have stated it is a breach of civil liberties but because so many schools have employed the technology, it is too late to outlaw it

[20:17:08]

cesman:

I wrote a wrapper for it that I have as a user job

[20:17:22]

Paladine:

the money used to purchase the systems is being taken from government funding for IT facilities for the students too

[20:17:24]

cesman:

I'll post it to the mailing list

[20:17:30]

BULLE:

cesman: thanks, i use my n80 phone for video viewing right now

[20:17:38]

Paladine:

and the companies selling the systems are linked to gitmo

[20:17:47]

Paladine:

this is a huge issue

[20:18:14]

Paladine:

thanks fryfrog

[20:18:17]

juski:

the fact it's even happening at all is the issue as far as I'm concerned

[20:18:28]

Paladine:

fryfrog, beamerboy is my digg username incidentally

[20:18:30]

BULLE:

cesman: i use ffmpeg for video encoding, it works like a charm

[20:18:48]

fryfrog:

Paladine: howd you know?

[20:19:00]

Paladine:

how'd Iknow what?

[20:19:16]

fryfrog:

that i digged it?

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juski:

team that up with our gov. putting a network of roadside cameras up all over the UK to track vehicle movements & it feels more scary suddenly

[20:19:25]

fryfrog:

or is that not what you meant?

[20:19:51]

fryfrog:

THE END TIMES ARE NIGH!

[20:19:54]

Paladine:

fryfrog, you can check who has dugg an article

[20:20:01]

fryfrog:

also, i'll have a big myth setup

[20:20:02]

fryfrog:

ohhh

[20:20:03]

fryfrog:

neat

[20:20:13]

Paladine:

there is a tab in digg called "Who Dugg or Blogged this?"

[20:20:18]

fryfrog:

ah

[20:20:19]

juski:

fryfrog: you can buy guns. we can't. well.. I know a bloke who knows somebody who knows somebody....

[20:20:34]

fryfrog:

i guess i'm just a newb who can't use digg to its full potential

[20:20:37]

juski:

we're screwed already. save yourselves!

[20:20:44]

fryfrog:

juski: oh yeah, guns... and knives? outlawed in the UK right?

[20:20:57]

Paladine:

not just guns and knives

[20:21:05]

fryfrog:

"Do you think anyone will be confused about the right to "bear arms" ?"

[20:21:06]

Paladine:

anything which has the potential to be used as a weapon

[20:21:07]

fryfrog:

nah!

[20:21:10]

Milosch:

they have to do holdups with soccer balls

[20:21:15]

fryfrog:

ahahha

[20:21:20]

Paladine:

people have been arrested for carrying a breezeblock

[20:21:26]

fryfrog:

what is a breezeblock?

[20:21:27]

juski:

they've been talking about locking people with personality disorders away.. I'm fucked

[20:21:31]

Paladine:

a big brick

[20:21:35]

juski:

;)

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fryfrog:

like a cinderblock?

[20:21:46]

Paladine:

yes exactrly

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juski:

fryfrog: about that yeah

[20:21:50]

fryfrog:

ahhh

[20:22:09]

fryfrog:

wow, thats a bit extreme

[20:22:13]

fryfrog:

has it lowered crime?

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juski:

what was wrong with library cards with barcodes on em anyway? not Orwellian enough?!

[20:22:43]

RacerX2oo3:

I don't get the uproar over General Dynamics.... odd thing to get upset over?

[20:22:53]

fryfrog:

The problem I see with banning guns is... *criminals* will always be able to get guns / knives / weapons. All it seems likely to do is prevent normal people from getting them?

[20:23:01]

Paladine:

juski, I remember when kids in schools were identified by their name

[20:23:02]

Milosch:

at least in Texas, you have to give your thumbprint to cash a check if it is not your bank

[20:23:08]

S2:

is someone from the uk here?

[20:23:09]

Paladine:

may sound a bit lowtech

[20:23:11]

Paladine:

but it worked fine

[20:23:14]

Milosch:

plus you don't get face value

[20:23:23]

S2:

i was in york for 4 months

[20:23:25]

juski:

and don't forget the stuff about a recent survey where kids forsaw a world in which they need only their fingerprint to buy stuff.

[20:23:39]

juski:

york is a nice place to visit

[20:23:49]

Paladine:

juski, lets not forget that UK recently appeared at the top of the league of most surveyed nations in the world

[20:23:54]

Paladine:

we are heading to a police state

[20:23:54]

Milosch:

biometrics worry me, i don't want someone taking my thumbs

[20:24:05]

juski:

Paladine: I work for a cctv company remember ;)

[20:24:13]

Paladine:

and by introducing these technologies to schools, we are conditioning the future leaders of the country

[20:24:15]

S2:

yeah, and i loved pot noodles!

[20:24:31]

juski:

Milosch: exactly. make stuff more secure & all it does is up the stakes

[20:24:56]

Milosch:

no key, let me check my bag-o-thumbs

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BULLE:

juski: last time i was in uk, it was like 4 years ago, i got paranoid, due to all the damn cctv cams all over the place

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juski:

I like playing the game of 'spot the company manufactured DVR'

[20:25:42]

juski:

we are just about everywhere

[20:25:47]

juski:

all networkable..

[20:27:10]

juski:

trains, buses, city centres, corner shops (not so much them actually), dept. stores...

[20:28:10]

juski:

taxis too. there's no escape

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juski:

when I was younger I had a few mates who went off to work for defence companies & thought "nah, not for me, making weapons".. now here I am working for an instrument of Big Brother

[20:29:36]

mkrufky:

Milosch: how about that retina scan?

[20:29:54]

Milosch:

mkrufky: yeah, that's a problem too

[20:30:24]

Milosch:

i like my eyes, and it's hard to get replacements

[20:30:26]

juski:

it wouldn't necessarily have to be a bad thing if a) the stuff was reliable and b) we could trust the folks in control

[20:30:47]

juski:

but we know neither is true

[20:31:01]

Milosch:

juski: and all of those boxes have backdoors so you can tap in, eh?

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juski:

Milosch: nope. some customers ask to see the source

[20:31:48]

Milosch:

actually, i've helped a few companies install a security dvr, they open them up to the world

[20:32:05]

Milosch:

i'm not the one installing, just opening holes for them

[20:32:15]

Milosch:

"i want to see it from home, too"

[20:32:17]

juski:

we had one of our products taken over & used to host warez in Sweden

[20:32:34]

juski:

that's the problem with default passwords ;)

[20:33:10]

BULLE:

juski: sweden o/

[20:33:45]

juski:

they were really clever about it too – the box stayed up & still recorded, just with ever decreasing image storage

[20:33:48]

dagfinn:

anyone got the pvr150's irblaster working with mythweb/debian? any howto?

[20:34:01]

juski:

mythweb doesn't change channels

[20:35:00]

dagfinn:

juski: how do use an stb with mythweb then?

[20:35:10]

juski:

dagfinn: you dont

[20:35:40]

juski:

not with mythweb, the web-based interface to mythtv

[20:35:54]

dagfinn:

lol.. i mean mythtv :P

[20:35:56]

juski:

the backend, running the mythbackend program, on the other hand...

[20:36:05]

dagfinn:

i was just browsing mythweb tho :P

[20:36:43]

dagfinn:

well i mean the mythbackend..is there any howto for the pvr150 and its irblaster?

[20:37:49]

juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Using_an . . . _with_MythTV

[20:37:53]

juski:

for starters ^^^

[20:39:02]

mkrufky:

there is some special handling needed for that zilog blaster in the pvr150

[20:39:04]

mkrufky:

http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=24

[20:39:19]

dagfinn:

ty mkrufky

[20:39:28]

dagfinn:

are you currently using the pvrs irblaster and stb solution?

[20:40:27]

mkrufky:

dagfinn: no, i am not. i just know about it because of the various i2c bus issues associated with that zilog blaster... luckily, its nothing you have to worry about

[20:40:47]

GreyFoxx:

The only really trick to that is to add smarts incase the frontend is not localhost

[20:41:21]

GreyFoxx:

And if it's remote make sure than the remote X is listening on a port and allots events from the webserver

[20:41:26]

jams:

juski- that was one of the first projects regarding a web remote

[20:41:48]

juski:

jams: no doubt. just the first time I'd ever seen it in the wild

[20:42:15]

GreyFoxx:

you run it and it translates your keystrokes to the telnet interface

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dagfinn:

mkrufky. oki .. thnx.. im just curious..is there any way i can use the ir reciever to identify the commands my ip-stb remote uses to change channels?

[20:43:02]

juski:

GreyFoxx: I saw the webremote thing on the users list the other week too – started making graphics for it

[20:43:57]

GreyFoxx:

www.phaze.org/mythtv/cmdline-mythremote.tgz is a source and binary for a simple commandline remote you can use from an ssh session or compile on a windows box

[20:44:12]

GreyFoxx:

You tell it the ip/name of the frontend you want to control when you run it

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GreyFoxx:

juski: Sweet

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GreyFoxx:

for the life of me I can't remember the nick of the guy who wrote that one I just posted

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jams:

darkfrog?

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GreyFoxx:

2007-01–01 21:34 | #mythtv-users:kgbudz | http://www.rezsoft.org/remote/

[20:47:18]

GreyFoxx:

kgbudz

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GreyFoxx:

There is even what looks like an win32 exe

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juski:

GreyFoxx: now I know a smatterring of css I could make a much more efficient webremote

[20:50:31]

juski:

less button graphics :)

[20:51:16]

juski:

arggh! where are all my website source graphics?! arghhH!

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mkrufky:

dagfinn: i was afk, sorry for delay... the answer to your question is YES, and you can find out how by reading any lirc howto

[20:54:52]

dagfinn:

ok...ty..first things first..have to get composite to work first..only tuner works now..weird

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Lorian:

Hey, is tehre any way to set recordings to use any avilable tuner at the time of recording? I have 2 tuners but it keep trying to record on the first one when my sister is watching TV so she always cancels stuff I want to watch even though there is an idle second tuner

[21:03:56]

juski:

woo so I didn't find my original working graphics but a trip down memory lane with an ancient webshite of my own making. oof

[21:04:31]

juski:

Lorian: just kill install a fingerprint reader & lock her out

[21:05:17]

Lorian:

Lol, if I did that my Dad would make me get rid of it, he already told me to get rid of it because it keeps freezing between programs on Live TV

[21:05:17]

juski:

I thought myth would always just use the 1st available tuner attached to a video source

[21:05:41]

mkrufky:

Lorian: there is an option in the setup to try to use a tuner for live tv that is least likely to be used for the next recording

[21:05:56]

gardengnome:

Lorian: there are some tickets wrt the livetv issue

[21:06:11]

juski:

isn't that in -fixes already?

[21:06:17]

Lorian:

Oh excellent, I will do that when she has finished watching... Taggart, whatever the hell that is

[21:06:26]

mkrufky:

the option i'm talking about is already released

[21:06:30]

juski:

Lorian: Moider ;)

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Lorian:

Say what?

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juski:

Moider.. in a Scottish accent

[21:06:56]

juski:

(murder)

[21:07:07]

Lorian:

Uh, huh...

[21:07:15]

juski:

some poor sap is always getting bumped off in a gruesome manner

[21:07:22]

Lorian:

Lol

[21:07:50]

juski:

the cops are always very dour (miserable) folks who never get the perp until the last 5 minutes of the show

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juski:

my frontend no longer has 'watch tv' as an available option

[21:10:03]

Lorian:

Is there any way to set what tuner to use for upcoming recordings in MythWeb? My sister will cancel something my parents want to watch if I don't change it

[21:10:53]

xris:

Lorian: I don't think that made it into .20, but it's in svn

[21:11:32]

Lorian:

Which thing are you talking about?

[21:13:25]

fmu:

hi! I have problems with the latest svn mythplugins today. It seems to have a problem with dbcheck.cpp. Anyone have an idea? I've found something about a yesterday's changeset, tried to reverse, no go..

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juski:

Lorian: something tells me you're really gonna love the multi-user stuff when it arrives (one day)

[21:14:39]

Lorian:

Sounds interesting, please explain

[21:14:50]

juski:

user.. watch tv (check).. watch recordings (check).. do anything else.. (uncheck)

[21:15:36]

Lorian:

So you can limit what each user can do?

[21:15:40]

juski:

user privileges & that sort of thing

[21:16:06]

juski:

that's the general idea IIRC. no idea what or when anything will come of it, but keep everything crossed :)

[21:16:12]

Lorian:

Hm, that will confuse my sister, she gets confused by things that "make no sense", which actually make perfect sense

[21:16:24]

Lorian:

It is very annoying

[21:16:24]

fmu:

Is it the right channel to discuss the svn version?

[21:16:56]

Lorian:

Yes, fmu

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xris:

fmu: yup

[21:17:17]

fmu:

ok , cool :)

[21:17:30]

Lorian:

Lack of response to a question usually means no one knows

[21:17:43]

fmu:

ok, just wanted to be sure ;)

[21:17:50]

GreyFoxx:

fmu: Update mythtv before you try and compile a newer mythplugins

[21:18:18]

bsjeep:

anyone here have hdhomerun

[21:18:29]

Lorian:

Wth is that?

[21:19:02]

bsjeep:

www.silicondust.com

[21:19:04]

GreyFoxx:

Lorian: an ATSC/QAM capable ethernet reachable STB tuner

[21:19:37]

Lorian:

Ok, what you just said made no sense to me so I will stop talking now...

[21:20:00]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[21:20:06]

bsjeep:

I've gotton some bad recordings and just wondering if anyone has any secret tips...

[21:20:17]

Lorian:

Define bad recording

[21:20:34]

kormoc:

bsjeep, sure do, but they are secret, so can't tell :P

[21:20:51]

xris:

bsjeep: describe "bad"

[21:20:53]

fmu:

well, I just started with a new mythtv, now mythplugins give me some trouble with In function ‘bool UpdateDBVersionNumber(const QString&)’ on three different plugins

[21:21:18]

GreyFoxx:

fmu: You have an older version of mythtv than your version of plugins

[21:21:34]

bsjeep:

last night it recorded Americal Idol and the playback (20min delayed) was skipping

[21:22:18]

bsjeep:

like it would play fine for 30sec, then get blocky, skip about 10sec, and then play fine another 30sec.

[21:22:33]

bsjeep:

looking at the filesize, it's about 7.2GB, for 2 hours

[21:22:45]

bsjeep:

but I usually get over 6GB for one hour

[21:22:59]

Paladine:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/5261856.stm

[21:23:02]

bsjeep:

also, if I fast forward the OSD shows that the 2 hour recording is only 1:20

[21:23:11]

fmu:

GreyFoxx: thanks, I'll try from start again... Do I have to uninstall a svn version before doing make install with a new version?

[21:23:35]

GreyFoxx:

nope

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GreyFoxx:

I just make install overtop :)

[21:23:53]

fmu:

ok, that's what I did, thanks ;)

[21:24:33]

GreyFoxx:

fmu: You need an svn version of mythtv of at least 12498 to compile those updated plugins

[21:27:24]

fmu:

thanks GreyFox!

[21:27:40]

fmu:

seems that I've download a wrong version!

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mkrufky:

bsjeep: i recorded it last night and had a similar problem ... i think that FOX is to blame for a shotty datastream

[21:28:10]

GreyFoxx:

np, someone else had the same problem on the mailing list this morning :)

[21:31:08]

Lorian:

Anyone have any idea when the next version of MythTV is going to be released?

[21:31:24]

GreyFoxx:

Lorian: It's likely not for a little while yet

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GreyFoxx:

too many open issues at the moment

[21:31:44]

kormoc:

Lorian, When it's done (TM) (R)

[21:32:36]

janneg:

bsjeep, mkrufky: is it maybe a 720p video stream?

[21:32:41]

Lorian:

This: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/12550

[21:32:57]

bsjeep:

perhaps

[21:33:25]

bsjeep:

had weird behaivor with 24 as well.

[21:33:36]

bsjeep:

both are on FOX-HD

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GreyFoxx:

Lorian: Ahh ok

[21:34:17]

bsjeep:

There is a switch between the HDHomerun and the backend, so maybe it's just a problem with the streaming from the tuner?

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Lorian:

Hm, I may be able to just patch the necessary files and recompile

[21:36:16]

kormoc:

bsjeep, or it might just be bad singal at times

[21:38:03]

mkrufky:

janneg: fox broadcasts in 720p in my area, yes

[21:38:18]

mkrufky:

janneg: I only lost a few minutes in one spot... it seems that bsjeep lost 40 minutes

[21:39:00]

mkrufky:

janneg: i see it happen every now and then, although very rarely ... i always just thought it was a stream glitch..... since i have seen the screen blank suring that same time when using the STB provided by time warner cable

[21:39:57]

janneg:

mkrufky, bsjeep: we have a bug report regarding playback of 720p material http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2498

[21:41:34]

Lorian:

Man, Portage rocks, I can just go in, change the source code and recompile it and it works fine, with binary based packaging systems I'd have to do the whole thing manually :)

[21:41:36]

mkrufky:

janneg: i think in my case it is a few minutes worth of bad signal

[21:41:56]

mkrufky:

janneg: i dont think its a bug at all in my situation.... as all other 720p recordings are perfect

[21:42:10]

kormoc:

Lorian, you know, there are SVN ebuilds so you can install SVN versions via portage

[21:42:30]

Lorian:

Well the thing I am updating was only added yesterday

[21:44:05]

Lorian:

That is awesome

[21:44:31]

kormoc:

the plugins needs a little bit more work, it's only supporting mythvideo right now, but I'll fix that up soon enough

[21:45:33]

dagfinn:

ivtv: no version for "tveeprom_read" found: kernel tainted. .. is this a normal message in the startup of the ivtv "driver" ?

[21:46:02]

kormoc:

dagfinn, yes, it's just complaining cause the kernel doesn't know it's GPL code

[21:46:09]

dagfinn:

ok

[21:46:48]

dagfinn:

anyone have a hit of what could be wrong when i do a cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg and the test.mpg comes out empty (0 bytes) ?

[21:47:28]

Beak:

hey, i need some help with lirc

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sigger:

y'all see this: http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2909&p=2

[21:50:07]

ShorTie:

when using a nexus-s you get get (LMNC) @ the bottom as it's tuning to a channel, what do those mean?

[21:50:13]

sigger:

its ##lirc, BTW

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juski:

sigger: looks like another copy of 'clunky' user interface.. the kind that MCE lovers decry (i.e. ours)

[21:51:46]

juski:

read a flamewar.. er I mean digg article yesterday about it

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sigger:

actually kind of interesting for folks who don't use TV recording (e.g. me).

[21:53:45]

Lorian:

Ok, here's a problem, something is recording, but it is not showing as recording in the media library, which means I can't stop it recording. It's going to be using the tuner until 10:02, but I need the tuner at 10:00, what do I do?

[21:56:15]

fmu:

GreyFoxx: are you still around?

[21:56:20]

juski:

only free content or 'premium' DRM stuff I bet

[21:57:18]

sigger:

I thought it was the copying from DVD to hard drive that was "questionable", not the playing from .iso or other.

[21:59:02]

juski:

.iso files need not only come from 'original' 'owned' content, see

[21:59:28]

juski:

the 'plays files you downloaded' tag wouldn't play well with the men in suits

[21:59:52]

Kronuz:

hey, I remember installing my WinTV-PVR-350 and using MythTV to record stuff, but I always got a ghost image

[22:00:20]

Kronuz:

however, when I tried recording under windows the ghost wasn't there (or at least it wasn't as obvious)

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dagfinn:

juski or anyone else: if i do a ivtvctl -p 2 and then do a cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg . .I should save data from composite..right?

[22:00:44]

jams:

heh, thats why myth needs a camera plugin. That way if the person is wearing a suit it will refuse to play media.

[22:01:07]

juski:

dagfinn: maybe not ivtvctl.. it might be v4l2ctl depending on which version of ivtv you're using

[22:01:35]

Kronuz:

does anybody know why of that ghost image?

[22:01:35]

juski:

Kronuz: temporal DNR filter, in ivtv it's set to on by default IIRC

[22:01:44]

Kronuz:

hmm

[22:01:50]

juski:

like slight motion trails?

[22:01:57]

Kronuz:

nope

[22:02:01]

Kronuz:

like a duplicated image

[22:02:03]

juski:

ah so not that then

[22:02:42]

dagfinn:

juski: if i run ivtvctl -p 2 i get something like video input set to 2 .. and if i try to run v412ctl i get command not found

[22:02:42]

mkrufky:

how duplicated?

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juski:

xris: if you're around.. little memory jogger about where I got up to... http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/test/

[22:03:05]

Kronuz:

like there was a face, for instance and then thwo more ghost faces in the video one at the left of it vey visible and one to the right not as visible (both very separated, like 1/4 of the screen)

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juski:

Kronuz: ahh that might've been a video scaling bug in ivtv

[22:03:26]

Kronuz:

oh

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mkrufky:

dagfinn: thats v4lctl as in VEE FOR ELL

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dagfinn:

ij

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dagfinn:

oh

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Kronuz:

juski: maybe :) I hope

[22:03:51]

Kronuz:

and I suppose it's fixed?

[22:04:05]

mkrufky:

Kronuz: this is a known bug — they were talking about it on ivtv-dev

[22:04:12]

Kronuz:

I see

[22:04:12]

dagfinn:

mkrufky: still get command not found

[22:04:12]

juski:

myth defaults to 480x480 which in some ivtv drivers on some cards didn't work well. dunno if it ever affected the pvr-350 though

[22:04:21]

mkrufky:

dagfinn: maybe u dont have it

[22:04:43]

Kronuz:

I guess it is, I'll have to read about it (mine is a PVR 350)

[22:04:48]

juski:

dagfinn: try typing 'v' then '4' then TAB ;)

[22:05:13]

Kronuz:

that was mainly what drove me away from MythTV some months ago (not being able to record a clean video)

[22:05:18]

juski:

I remember in the early days of the pvr150 in linux it was a problem, the scaling issue

[22:05:27]

dagfinn:

juski, mkrufky. looks like i dont have it then :P

[22:06:21]

dagfinn:

very strange..ive run it perfectly for 6 months now..and when i try to change to composite, suddenly nothing works..

[22:06:21]

Kronuz:

I remember when I first started checking MythTV (maybe even a couple years ago or more) the ivtv drivers where very young and had little support

[22:06:40]

Kronuz:

the WinTV cards where just "unofficially" supported, sort of

[22:06:59]

juski:

I wish to heck they didn't name them 'win' anything

[22:07:06]

Kronuz:

lol

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juski:

boils my wii, that

[22:07:32]

juski:

'winfast' is another one

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Kronuz:

yeah, Hauppauge PVR-x50 would be just fine

[22:07:48]

juski:

pity Microsoft aren't as litigious as Apple :)

[22:08:05]

mkrufky:

dagfinn: the svideo / composite is wired on the same mux .... try svideo and see if that works instead

[22:08:37]

juski:

I might dare to steal some cool ideas from the iTV UI, but not the lower-case 'i' for its name

[22:10:01]

dagfinn:

mkrufky: but should it even make a difference when im trying just to cat it to a file, even if nothing was plugged in to either of the composite / svideo it should cat a black screen / nothing? now the result of the cat is an empty file

[22:10:26]

xris:

juski: I think I liked the other buttons better, but it looks decent.

[22:10:53]

Kronuz:

how does that cat thing work? with the WinTV it comes already as if doing cat from a MPEG-2 file?

[22:11:03]

Kronuz:

and from other video captures as raw video?

[22:11:19]

Kronuz:

.. or how does it work?

[22:11:29]

kormoc:

Kronuz, with the pvr cards, it's just mpeg-2 data from the card, aye

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kormoc:

Kronuz, so you can just copy it (cat) to a file and it works

[22:11:46]

juski:

xris: buttons are negotiable

[22:11:54]

Kronuz:

kormoc: so if I redirect ot to a file it's pure mpeg2 with audio and all?

[22:11:55]

kormoc:

Kronuz, with other cards, like framegrabbers, it is raw data, aye

[22:12:00]

kormoc:

Kronuz, correct

[22:12:03]

Kronuz:

:)

[22:12:07]

juski:

buttons are a doddle for me to draw these days :)

[22:12:20]

BULLE:

doodle da doodle da

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Kronuz:

and the ringbuffer is in HDD, right?

[22:12:48]

dagfinn:

is there any way to verify / check if the ivtv drivers are working as they should, so i can confirm that they arent the problem?

[22:12:49]

Kronuz:

like it's writting what comes from the cards to the hard drive in a ring buffer

[22:13:01]

Kronuz:

(or in memory?)

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xris:

juski: I still like that mockup 11 or whatever number it was.

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xris:

Kronuz: no more ringbuffer that I know of

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kormoc:

Kronuz, aye, myth records all the shows to the hard drive, yes

[22:13:14]

BULLE:

dagfinn: tune to a channel, with ptune and then use mplayer or similar to watch the mpeg2 stream

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juski:

dagfinn: dmesg, ivtvctl, cat /dev/video0 .. etc ;)

[22:13:34]

juski:

xris: yeah but it'd be a pain for lil' ole me to mock up in css

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Kronuz:

xris: what do you mean no ringbuffer? o_O

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jams:

fmu, that error means you need to update mythtv.

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BULLE:

Kronuz: that there is, no ringbuffer ?

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Kronuz:

did that change in some way already?

[22:14:09]

Kronuz:

I thought there was a ringbuffer for the live video

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jams:

fmu- perhaps you have an old copy of the libs that it's using?

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Kronuz:

(for timeshifting)

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fmu:

jams: but I'm sure that I have a brand new folder with the latest trunk version

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kormoc:

fmu, you sure the prefix is correct?

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fmu:

jams: what libs are you talking about?

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jams:

fmu- the mythtv libs.

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fmu:

hmm... I use prefix=/usr... that's a setting I'm not really sure

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jams:

fmu if you used /usr make sure you don't have anything in /usr/local/lib/mythtv

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jams:

oops that should be like libmyth* in /usr/local/lib

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fmu:

ok, I give it a try right now

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Kronuz:

basically, how are commercials detected?

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Kronuz:

what is it looked for during detection?

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juski:

hrm seems my backend has 9 zombie processes. all of them are my channel changing script

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juski:

can't seem to kill em off & they've been inactive for ages

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juski:

I think I need to get my zapper to signal its exit properly

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juski:

can't kill the parent.. it's mythbackend

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slowone:

record in progress?

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BULLE:

generaly, killing parents is bad, you go to jail, for a long time

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BULLE:

if they are zombies, i guess you might get away with it though, even though it might be hard to convince the court they realy were zombies

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juski:

haha

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juski:

mythbackend is busy at the moment

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juski:

and straight kills aren't worky

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juski:

need to look at my script to see if I can stop it happening

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BULLE:

if the process is a zombie

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BULLE:

and you cant kill the parent process

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BULLE:

its not much you can do

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juski:

my script doesn't have any exit command

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juski:

should it have?

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slowone:

yes!

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juski:

bingo

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juski:

so at least when I've cleared the zombies out I can stop more coming :)

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juski:

just 'exit' be enough for this bash script then?

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slowone:

do 'exit 0'

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juski:

done

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juski:

cheers

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juski:

I'm a hackish sort of person who writes the odd script now & again.. if it works, that's it – done as far as I'm concerned. didn't know to look for that when I wrote it

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juski:

the restart can wait til tomorrow anyway

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juski:

time for bed. g'night all

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Kronuz:

hey, how well threaded is the MythTV backend code?

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Kronuz:

or is it single-threaded?

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dagfinn:

wohoo..now i can see the input from composite1 :)

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GreyFoxx:

there are several threads for various things

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dagfinn:

does the pvr150 have a bad audio-in ? audio is crappy

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adante:

if i kill mythbackend in the middle of a transcode, and then restart.. will the transcode resume or start from scratch?

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dagfinn:

is Line In 1 the correct audio input for the pvr150? or should this be Line In 2?

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dagfinn:

well no sound with line in 2 so ill go for line in 1

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Beakster_:

hey, i need to know the actions to specify in .lircrc

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Beakster_:

so i can link my button to them

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Beakster_:

is there a list of mythtv actions somewhere?

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slowone:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Manual:Daily_Use

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slowone:

see section called remote controll buttons

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mmm yeah

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Beakster_:

slowone, but what to i enter for Action in /lircrc?

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dagfinn:

how can i check installed ivtv version?

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slowone:

dagfinn: cat /var/log/dmesg and look for the version string under the line "ivtv: ==================== START INIT IVTV ===================="

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Milosch:

modinfo ivtv might work

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dagfinn:

ok

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dagfinn:

ty

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dagfinn:

with the pvr150..which one is the irtransmitter/blaster and the reciever..there are two heads on the same cable, a small one and a big one.. is the small one the irblaster?

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dagfinn:

anyone? :)

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slowone:

to hazard a guess, the darker one is the reciever

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dagfinn:

hmm..ok..

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slowone:

(if you look at the diode itself)

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rsdvd:

dagfinn – yes the smaller one with the glue on it is the blaster – and the larger one is the reciver

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dagfinn:

thanks rsdvd

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jams:

fmu did it work?

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fmu:

jams: nah, I just finished recompile mythtv and I have the same error with mythplugins

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fmu:

jams: I've erased every libmyth or myth related stuff from either /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib

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fmu:

I was using ccache... I also removed it to be sure

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rogue780:

can someone point me in the right direction on how to backup my mythtv database? I'm having issues with mysqldump

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fmu:

jams: I was previously using trunk svn from last week... I had no problem until today

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jams:

fmu and you get the same error as this http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/246980

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GreyFoxx:

your plugins is somehow reading the wrong mythcontext.h. Either from another location or something

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GreyFoxx:

cause the one it's readying during compile is not the correct version

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GreyFoxx:

yet another reason I don't --prefix most stuff

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jams:

GreyFoxx- it's the reason I prefex my mythtv packages with /usr/local. Saves trouble in long run

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fmu:

jams: that's exactly the same error message, I've saw that thread this mornig

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rogue780:

I keep getting an error 1102: Incorrect database name

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rogue780:

after it's almost finished backing up

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fmu:

GreyFoxx: I'll take a look at the mythcontext.h. just a sec

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jams:

fmu- guess it's time to look for the stray mythcontext.h. I thought it was the mythlibs but GreyFoxx knows more then me

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fmu:

jams: no problem ;)

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fmu:

well.. I currently have two copy, I'll remove those and retry

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dagfinn:

hmm..im having a little trouble getting the blaster working on pvr150..from dmesg i get this msg which would mean the irblaster is up and running, right? (lirc_pvr150: Hauppauge PVR-150 IR blaster: firmware version 1.3.)

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dagfinn:

and i use the lircd.conf from the howto at http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=24 .. and rund the send_power_new script ..i get an error like this: irsend: unknown remote: "blaster"

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dagfinn:

which is strange cuz in lircd.conf ive defined blaster:

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dagfinn:

begin remote

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dagfinn:

name blaster

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dagfinn:

any hints?

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kormoc:

did you restart lircd?

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fmu:

guys! I'm back on track! I had two mythcontext.h. I erased them. Doing "make install" again. mythcontext.h have been copied to /usr/lib/... So I started make on mythplugins again and it then complain about missing mythcontext.h.. So I copied it in /usr/local/lib/... and now it's working fine!

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fmu:

thanks for your help!!

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dagfinn:

kormoc, ive rebooted the box..that should help..shouldnt it?

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kormoc:

dagfinn, that would count, yes

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dagfinn:

kormoc, but when i try to do a ps aux | grep lirc i get two prosesses running:

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dagfinn:

root 1918 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 00:28 0:00 [lirc_pvr150]

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dagfinn:

root 3404 0.0 0.1 2744 560 ? Ss 00:51 0:00 /usr/sbin/lircd

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dagfinn:

--device=/dev/lirc0

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dagfinn:

should the lirc_pvr150 be running?

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kormoc:

that's fine

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dagfinn:

k

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dagfinn:

i dont have to edit anything in .mythtv/lircrc ..only in /etc/lircd.conf.. right?

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kormoc:

you likely will later

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dagfinn:

yeah maybe..but for now..just for testing it should work fine?

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kormoc:

yes

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ssstormy:

hello, is there any way to set up mythtv to flag commercials and then remove them from the video? (instead of just autoskip)

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ssstormy:

the only way I know of right now is to transcode, but to get them cut out I have to manually load the clip points

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ssstormy:

and I was hoping to set it up to automatically remove the commercials

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kormoc:

ssstormy, you can import the commflags into the cutlist

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kormoc:

you can do it automatically via a user job, or when watching a video, press e z e

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ssstormy:

kormoc, I know the eze, how do I import w/ user job?

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Kronuz:

hey, transcoding means cutting stuff from the "buffered" video into files, doesn't it?

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Kronuz:

is transcoding done in the backend?

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ssstormy:

transcoding means re-encoding video

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ssstormy:

it's done by backends, yes

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kormoc:

/usr/bin/mythcommflag -s %STARTTIME% -c HANID% --gencutlist

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kormoc:

erm

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kormoc:

/usr/bin/mythcommflag -s %STARTTIME% -c %CHANID% --gencutlist

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Kronuz:

ssstormy: then the result is kept in a given file in the backend

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ssstormy:

just like that?

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kormoc:

set that as a user job and it will Auto Import the flags into the cutlist

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kormoc:

yes

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ssstormy:

Kronuz, unless otherwise specified, it replaces the old video file

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