Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, January 16th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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vegeat_work:

i want to move mythtv to another user account

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sandeen_:

:)

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vegeat_work:

is there anything i need to know before doing this?

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sandeen_:

J-e-f-f-A, need to take a rented movie back and haven't yet watched it :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

sandeen_: Got a winblows pc? use dvd shrink... (or even use shrink with wine... not as fast, but works.)

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sandeen_:

eh i'll just get a different dvd ripper

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Hobbiticus:

oh, and for some reason, if I mute my "line in" output, mythtv will not record audio

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Hobbiticus:

the line in is selected as the recording device, so i don't know what the deal is

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fryfrog:

man #ubuntu is uselessly full :(

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wolf08:

how full?

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J-e-f-f-A:

As full as #sand ? ;-)

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Fooker:

I am, once again, amazed. Who's idea was it to build a distribution with a package manager? Its a great idea – include all the packages one might need for a task, and have it auto install dependencies for them. But – either a scottish engineer who hadn't had enough to drink or a white kid got involved, and decided that just for the sake of having something to do, they left out three or four dependencies on random packages....

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fryfrog:

wolf08: i just mean, there are so many people talking its impoosible to keep track :)

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wolf08:

Fooker: But what is the alternate route? Manual install? Install everything?

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Fooker:

wolf08: They could have just included all the dependencies.

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Fooker:

Or at the very least, the ones so obvious that no one would ever even think to check.

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wolf08:

Fooker: It can't work that way. There are literally thousands of dependencies. Disk space can already be a problem. And what if a package uses one version of a dep, but a 2nd uses a 2nd version? Include all versions/subversions? It just can't happen

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wolf08:

make thathundreds of thousands

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Fooker:

But the dependencies required to give basic functionality

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wolf08:

I'm biased. I run gentoo systems =P

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Fooker:

Like come on, whats the point of installing mytharchive and not installing the python image library (pil) or the mysql additions to perl

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fryfrog:

gentoo, ftw!

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fryfrog:

I think I need a few servers, so i can spread my stuff out and use gentoo again :p

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Fooker:

ftw?

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fryfrog:

for teh win

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Fooker:

Ah

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Fooker:

Why do you need to spread stuff out to use gentoo?

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fryfrog:

cause i don't want my messing with mythtv to fuck with my web server :(

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fryfrog:

right now, my server does everything... samba file server, web server, myth, etc

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xris:

fryfrog: xen... well, except you can't run mythtv in xen

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fryfrog:

Maybe someday I'll figure out that umm, virtualization with dom0 and stuff

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fryfrog:

i think Biardo was telling me about that

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xris:

fryfrog: might work. had issues with hardware access last I tried

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kormoc:

fryfrog, you can run myth in dom-0 but not in dom-u

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TabletPC:

anyone use slackware and myth

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kormoc:

assuming the drivers are happy

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xris:

kormoc: depends. I've had issues accessing usb and serial ports from dom0, too

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fryfrog:

I figure when I'm rich, I'll just build a few servers :)

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fryfrog:

web and file don't need much, prolly can do it out of cheap or spare parts :)

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GreyFoxx:

TabletPC: YUp

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xris:

fryfrog: xen is good for services, though. my one server has a bunch of virtuals... separate for web, mail, dns, etc.

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fryfrog:

myth doesn't need much either, unless its an HD front end

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TabletPC:

do you use the packages from linuxpackages

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GreyFoxx:

TabletPC: I generally don't use packages

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fryfrog:

xris: ah, nice a very good idea :)

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fryfrog:

xris: i gave up on my own mail hosting, just got google's gmail hosting beta / free thing

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TabletPC:

i use them now..cuz they always work with slackawre

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xris:

fryfrog: I don't like gmail that much.

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fryfrog:

xris: and dns... got lifetime dyndns for like $40 about 3 years ago

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TabletPC:

but i wont know for myth until i get a tuner

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fryfrog:

xris: zomg, i think you are the first one :)

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GreyFoxx:

TabletPC: I've used a few from there over time, but not many, and not any of my myth stuff

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xris:

fryfrog: don't get me wrong. it's great for webmail. I just don't like webmail.

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fryfrog:

xris: i used to use openwebmail, gmail's web gui blows everything i've ever seen away :)

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GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: Makes a lot of Slackware packages I think

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fryfrog:

xris: ahhhh

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fryfrog:

xris: i actually installed mozilla's ... whats it called?

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fryfrog:

thunderbird?

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TabletPC:

GreyFoxx, so whats the hardest part of myth and slackware?

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fryfrog:

very nice, simple client

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xris:

tbird, yes.

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GreyFoxx:

TabletPC: to me, nothing really

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fryfrog:

put it on the lappy and downloaded like 5k emails from my gmail account

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xris:

I don't like any email client these days, but tbird is decent enough. supports encryption, etc.

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TabletPC:

GreyFoxx, coo

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fryfrog:

just in case i need some offline email goodness :)

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kormoc:

TabletPC, you should read up on mysql administration likely

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GreyFoxx:

TabletPC: Only need to install a few things, and I'm pretty sure most of that can be gotten off the slackware CD's

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TabletPC:

ive got mysql databases setup already

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fryfrog:

xris: do you run a mysql server in its own dom?

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xris:

fryfrog: no, it lives with apache

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xris:

and myth gets its own

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TabletPC:

my other two slack boxes are running mysql for wordpress

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

good idea

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fryfrog:

i think i'll have to do that when i spread them out

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fryfrog:

how about drive space?

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fryfrog:

i mean, your myth isn't in a dom right?

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fryfrog:

its *another* physical machine?

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TabletPC:

my current machine only has 80gb space...i think i need to setup nfs or do something about that.

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fryfrog:

man, 1.2TB and i'm ready for a 6th 320G drive to make stretch me out :p

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xris:

fryfrog: myth is a separate box

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TabletPC:

hwo well does myth work over multiple partitions

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fryfrog:

does it have all its storage space internal to it? or does it come from an nfs server or something?

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xris:

5 boxes... workstation, myth, firewall, xenbox, ancient-redhat-7-box

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fryfrog:

TabletPC: the current svn has a "mulitple" recordings dir feature

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TabletPC:

fryfrog, nice

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TabletPC:

does nfs properly report usage?

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fryfrog:

TabletPC: but if you use -fixes or 0.20, you'd have to combine them some how

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fryfrog:

sure

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fryfrog:

why wouldn't it?

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fryfrog:

even samba does :)

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TabletPC:

heh

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fryfrog:

wait, usage is in % of space occupied?

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fryfrog:

I think maybe I would probably split my server in two or three

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BULLE:

chainsaw!

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fryfrog:

sawzall :)

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fryfrog:

If you could have an amd64 3200+ or a dual xeon 2.4ghz (about 2 years older than the 3200+) for a server, what would you pick?

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Fooker:

fryfrog: Seriously, your thinking too expensive :P

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fryfrog:

no no, i have this shit already

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Fooker:

fryfrog: I use an old Dell 400mhz PIII as my main server

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xris:

fryfrog: depends on what I was doing.

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fryfrog:

my *front end* is a dual xeon 2.4ghz :p

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Fooker:

fryfrog: Bastard

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vegeat_work:

wtf?

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vegeat_work:

what do you do for a living

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vegeat_work:

lol

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fryfrog:

it was the only spare shit i had laying around

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xris:

fryfrog: it would make a better server

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Fooker:

fryfrog: My best machine right now is my laptop

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fryfrog:

i know, but i'd have to tear my *server* down :(

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fryfrog:

plus, my server has 8 sata ports, the stupid xeon has like... 2

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fryfrog:

i'm a sysadmin of course :)

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vegeat_work:

lol

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Fooker:

fryfrog: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.8ghz, 2gig ram, 2xSATA HDs in JBOD raid

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fryfrog:

i have a spare pair of xeon 2.4ghz cpus for if the ones i'm using ever fail :)

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vegeat_work:

they dont make that much

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vegeat_work:

lol

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fryfrog:

Fooker: on a laptop?

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Fooker:

Yeah :)

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Fooker:

20" screen too :)

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xris:

Fooker: jbod isn't RAID

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fryfrog:

vegeat_work: yeah, but i've worked at 2 places that went tits up!

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Fooker:

xris: Quiet you.

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fryfrog:

xris: it sort of is :p

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fryfrog:

xris: just like raid0 isn't *really* :p

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Fooker:

fryfrog: Gotta love when that happens :)

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kormoc:

meh

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xris:

fryfrog: no, it's "just a bunch of disks" basically using a raid card for the extra ports without actually using raid.

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xris:

fryfrog: raid0 is raid.

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kormoc:

xris, well, sorta not, it's non-redudant

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Fooker:

fryfrog: Company I did PT work for ended up giving me around 20 boxes of CDs when they shut down, along with a bunch of small hardware

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xris:

kormoc: R in raid doesn't necessarily mean Redundant

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Fooker:

JBOD puts them all together into a single disk, same as raid 0, does it not?

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fryfrog:

xris: well, yeah, but it joins them together... so you get the joys of failure like raid0 w/o the speed up :p

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fryfrog:

god, i have like ... 30 of those old 3com 10mbit cards

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xris:

contrary to what some people think, jbod is not "spanning" like lvm. it's just a bunch of disks

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fryfrog:

xris: well, it *does* span them... but in a totally linear fashion

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xris:

fryfrog: that's not jbod

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fryfrog:

so you fill one disk up, then it'll start putting stuff on another

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fryfrog:

jbod = just a *bunch* of disks?

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kormoc:

xris, actually, I've only ever heard it as redundant

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fryfrog:

nah

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fryfrog:

i mean, yeah

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kormoc:

Fooker, sadly, JBOD != Heap anymore, nor ever did offically

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fryfrog:

the ummm... dual word letter is I no?

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kormoc:

Fooker, there was a time when heap storage was called JBOD, but that's been gone awhile

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xris:

kormoc: I've heard Rapid, but you're right, Redundant is the usual.

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fryfrog:

inexepensive or independant

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fryfrog:

wtf, rapid?

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TabletPC:

JOBD

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kormoc:

depends

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fryfrog:

only raid0 counts as "rapid" :p

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TabletPC:

just one big disk

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xris:

fryfrog: ignore me. I'm running -1.5 degrees body temp

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fryfrog:

ahaha

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fryfrog:

a reverse fever?

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kormoc:

fryfrog, a raid 0 of many raid 1's can be speedy

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kormoc:

TabletPC, not true

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xris:

fryfrog: yeah.

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fryfrog:

kormoc: oh, yeah i guess thats true

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fryfrog:

or even a raid0 of raid5s is faster

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fryfrog:

anyway, this is a silly conversation :)

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fryfrog:

now that myth is working nicely, i spose i could move my firewire cable boxes to the real myth server

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fryfrog:

xris: i still don't follow?

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fryfrog:

jbod to *me* implies that it makes a bunch of drives as one letter

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xris:

fryfrog: yes. but that's a mistaken notion.

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fryfrog:

though, my 4 drives *on* my raid controller that can't be flipped to "normal"

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Defend is now known as defend

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fryfrog:

i created a *single* jbod for each one, so i have 4 jbods

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fryfrog:

mistaken in what way?

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kormoc:

fryfrog, 3ware and friends call JBOD as a way to use the extra ports as standard drives, not concated together

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fryfrog:

i *swear* all the cheap controllers offer jbod as a way of joining the drives into one letter

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xris:

fryfrog: it's apparently a hotly debated issue.. last time kormoc and I argued about it, wikipedia said the opposite of what it does now.

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xris:

fryfrog: emphasis on "cheap controllers"

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fryfrog:

just one big disk, just a bunch of disks?

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xris:

just a bunch of disks

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fryfrog:

ahahha

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TabletPC:

ooowaksana troy

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fryfrog:

but that implies they are joined, no?

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xris:

no

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xris:

it's just a bunch of disks

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xris:

not "a bunch of disks concatenated together"

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TabletPC:

ya

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fryfrog:

you don't goto the store and by a "bunch of letuce" and only get one leaf

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fryfrog:

or a "bunch" of ... parsley

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fryfrog:

also... do good raid controllers even *offer* jbod? :p

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kormoc:

fryfrog, aye, 3ware does and considers it as a way to do single disks

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xris:

fryfrog: yes. in the sense that it is "no raid" as in just give me the disks

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fryfrog:

ah, well i guess it can be both!

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fryfrog:

cause i certainly use jbod in the way you describe

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fryfrog:

but when ever i see that label it makes me thing "stupid raid card, its just a single disk you bastard!" :)

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momelod:

hello channel.

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xris:

fryfrog: like I said, it's obviously a contested issue since the wikipedia definition of jbod seems to change

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momelod:

trying to get my remote going.. mode2 shows output when i press keys on the remote, but nothing happens in mythfrontend

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fryfrog:

actually, the thing that really gets me is that the kernel's raid1 is stupid :(

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fryfrog:

it doesn't use both disks to speed up reads :(

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fryfrog:

time to finish 24 :/

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momelod:

can anyone give me a hint

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kormoc:

momelod, did you setup a lircrc?

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xris:

fryfrog: many raid cards have that same shortcoming

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momelod:

kormoc: no?

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momelod:

kormoc: where is the conf for that?

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xris:

momelod: momelod: browse the contrib directory at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . /configfiles

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momelod:

ty

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dilano:

can anyone tell me how to RESET the keyboard commands

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xris:

dilano: to defaults?

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xris:

dilano: you're just talking about normal keypress stuff, right?

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dilano:

yulp

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dilano:

some reason I can no longer bring up the guide... prolly got some conflicts

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xris:

dilano: I *think* if you wipe the table data, mythfrontend will repopulate it, but I'm not 100% sure.

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dilano:

hmmmmmmmmm

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dilano:

:/

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xris:

I really should dig through the source at some point and get that integrated into mythweb

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dilano:

would the keys.txt file do it?

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xris:

dilano: that's a human readable list

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dilano:

xris: maybe this commnad??: echo "delete from keybindings ;" | mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg

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xris:

dilano: that wipes out the table, yes

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dilano:

kewl :)

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dilano:

lets hope it works ;)

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xris:

cool

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[R]:

my frontend crashes anytime i try to quit it... this has been happening for some time, and i just did a fresh compile and a new db... and its still happenning... has nayone heard of this?

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[R]:

err... X crashes when i try to qwuit the frontend

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weasie:

has anyone seen high IO wait on their boxes? With mythtv 0.20, when I try to do HD playback, I get 30–40% iowait and this causes some skipped frames

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kormoc:

sure, I have high io wait whenever things are fighting for io, like when I playback hd recordings off of a low controler

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weasie:

I have things on a 500GB Maxtor SATA 7200RPM

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weasie:

not sure why I would get hi io wait from that

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kormoc:

well, your controler could be slow, your filesystem could be slow, you could just be doing too much at once, could be bus contention issues, could be a ton of things

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cld2:

anyone using xdm? and have an auto login working?

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kormoc:

momelod, you need to create a lircrc file like I said before

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weasie:

kormoc: ok, well, I am using EXT3, the box is dedicated as a mythTV box. it is both the front and backend. I also tried recording only and then playing back, but just playing back is enough to throw it into high IO wait

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momelod:

kormoc, i found that example file u mentioned and placed it in ~/.lircrc

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kormoc:

momelod, ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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momelod:

sorry yes, thats what i ment

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momelod:

should there be an lircrc process running?

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kormoc:

lircd, yes

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weasie:

to give people an idean, here is the output from hdparm /Tt /dev/sda1

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weasie:

Timing cached reads: 2516 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1257.89 MB/sec

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weasie:

Timing buffered disk reads: 100 MB in 1.59 seconds = 62.96 MB/sec

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weasie:

so I don't think the system should be slow

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kormoc:

weasie, check your vmstats

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kormoc:

weasie, vmstat 1

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kormoc:

weasie, watch the io line

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kormoc:

weasie, actually vmstat -d 1 is better

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weasie:

kormoc, looks something like this

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weasie:

0 0 48036 28560 1596 138752 0 0 2048 64 1187 1485 44 4 49 3 0

[01:19:32]

weasie:

1 0 48036 26520 1596 140792 0 0 2048 0 1204 1482 45 2 52 1 0

[01:19:32]

weasie:

6 0 48036 24512 1596 142848 0 0 2048 0 1188 1497 45 2 52 1 0

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kormoc:

weasie, don't flood the channel

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xris:

weasie: please use a pastebin

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momelod:

kormoc, when i execute lircd --driver=help it only outputs 1 option: default

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weasie:

kromoc, sorry, that was too many lines

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momelod:

kormoc, shoud this be where i specify the kernel module to load (in my case lirc_i2c)?

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kormoc:

momelod, you really should read the lirc howtos on the wiki

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weasie:

anyway, the bi is around 2000–500 when playing back

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momelod:

kormoc, the mythtv wiki or the lirc wiki? (sorry just a bit confused)

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weasie:

with a spike to 12000 at least once in there

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kormoc:

momelod, what distro are you using?

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momelod:

kormoc, debian etch

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weasie:

my pastebin of the vmstat is at http://pastebin.ca/318025

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weasie:

and it is during playback of HD

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kormoc:

weasie, notice the 0 for the bytes out section, that's an issue

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kormoc:

weasie, you might just need to change kernel versions

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weasie:

kormoc, bytes out is how much is written? If so I don't expect writes as I am only playing back something recorded

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kormoc:

weasie, bytes out is reads, bytes in are writes I believe

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alsoconfused:

blocks not bytes

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kormoc:

heh, oops

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weasie:

kormoc, something is odd, here is a pastebin while watching "livetv" in HD, so I should be stressing in and out http://pastebin.ca/318029

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momelod_:

kormoc, i found the wiki, thanx much!

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Smirnov:

hello! :)

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weasie:

this pastebin may be better, shows the high IO Wait while doing "liveHD" http://pastebin.ca/318033

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weasie:

my kernel is 2.6.18–1.2868.fc6. It is possible this isn't a good one for sata

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kormoc:

could always try older/newer and see if things change

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fryfrog:

what does bi and bo mean in the io column?

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weasie:

true, I wish I could find a reference to an issue with sata or my sata chipset

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weasie:

then I could justify the hassel :)

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fryfrog:

weasie: and is that dstat?

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weasie:

it is vmstat

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fryfrog:

ah, vmstat

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fryfrog:

know what the bi and bo?

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fryfrog:

in and out?

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weasie:

bytes in and bytes out

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fryfrog:

ahhhh

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fryfrog:

where are you seeing a high io wait time on that?

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weasie:

next to last colum

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weasie:

the "wa"

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weasie:

under CPU

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fryfrog:

ahhhh

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weasie:

I just installed dstat on the machine

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MikeHancho:

hi. i've lost my upcoming recordings. mythbackend --resched doesn't seem to do anything. my recording schedules are there but for some reason it won't schedule any recordings

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weasie:

it looks much nicer than vmstat, but I am not sure it shows anythign better :)

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fryfrog:

http://pastebin.ca/318040

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fryfrog:

that is the dstat output on my box, which is recording HD at the moment

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fryfrog:

I assume "wa" is "wai" in the cpu-usage column?

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weasie:

yes

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fryfrog:

well, thanks :)

[01:36:38]

fryfrog:

you just ruled out io wait as an issue for me, i never knew how to see it :)

[01:36:42]

fryfrog:

well

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weasie:

yours looks lower than mine, some spikes, but doesn't stay at 15–30% all the time

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fryfrog:

i guess i need to wait until i'm doing 2–4 HD streams at once to see what it goes up to :(

[01:37:22]

fryfrog:

i'm using 7 sata ports on two controllers

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fryfrog:

an sata_nv and sata_sil

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fryfrog:

what about yours?

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Smirnov:

how fast should my computer be to simultanouelsy have mythtv record a non-hd channel and also watching a previously recorded show?

[01:37:54]

fryfrog:

2.6.17-10-generic from ubuntu

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weasie:

wow, I am only using 1 sata port, it is a via vt8273

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fryfrog:

Smirnov: show is also sd?

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weasie:

only sata 150, but that should be more than enough

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alsoconfused:

weasie: one of your pastebins seems to show a moderate amount of swapping. if you are swapping to the disk that holds the video, the thing might be seeking wildly.

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fryfrog:

for SD, you should probably get away with recording 4x streams from an MPEG2 card and watching a show (live or recorded, don't matter) with 1ghz and a GF4 or so

[01:39:02]

fryfrog:

er, not "an mpeg" card but "4 mpeg" cards

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cld2:

does anyone have autologin working with either xdm or with no display manager?

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weasie:

alsoconfused: hmm, could be swaping, I only have 512 meg ram in the machine

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fryfrog:

weasie: what *does* the "wait" represent?

[01:39:28]

fryfrog:

how long it takes to write the data? how long before it could even *start* writing data?

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alsoconfused:

weasie: do you have another drive in there?

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weasie:

alsoconfused: nope, just one big 500GB sata

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fryfrog:

alsoconfused: uh, i don't think he is swapping

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Smirnov:

fryfrog: mm.. yeah all SD, either the mythtv recorded or something with Xvid?

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fryfrog:

er

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fryfrog:

sorry, maybe i read vmstat wrong

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alsoconfused:

fryfrog: look at this http://pastebin.ca/318029

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weasie:

my swap is usually sitting at 0's acoss theboard

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fryfrog:

Smirnov: *assuming* you use mpeg2 cards (they put no cpu load on a box)

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fryfrog:

i *assume* i am looking at a bunch of swap *reading* but not writing?

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weasie:

alsoconfused: yeah, I think you should ignore that one

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fryfrog:

weasie: when you are doing this, does top show much swap usage?

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weasie:

alsoconfused: I think I just started HD then :)

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fryfrog:

i mean, 10mb of swap is nothing... 100+mb would suck

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fryfrog:

I used to record with 4x PVR250s on an amd athlon 1600+ w/ 512mb ram to an NFS mount, no problemmo

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weasie:

well, it says I am using 102768k of 1049568k

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fryfrog:

oh, 100mb?

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fryfrog:

that is kinda suck

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fryfrog:

28076k used on my box

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weasie:

how much ram you have?

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Cyberai:

Can anyone recommend a goo surround sound system I can connect via spdif?

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Smirnov:

fryfrog: hmm what if i dont have mpeg2 cards.... i havent bought one yet

[01:43:07]

Smirnov:

fryfrog: i want to buy a TV-IN card but not sure what

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Smirnov:

fryfrog: my computer is athlon 64 3500+ , 2 gb ram, so i wonder if that is fast enough to do software en/decoding or not ?

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Cyberai:

oops I mean good, not goo :)

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fryfrog:

Smirnov: software encoding isn't even worth bothering with

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weasie:

fryfrog: how much ram do you have in your machine

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fryfrog:

a PVR150 is only $50 now

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fryfrog:

weasie: 1G

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weasie:

yeah, go with a PVR150 if you can, I have used that in about 4 boxes now, rock solid

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fryfrog:

Smirnov: if you are using OTA or analog cable, the pvr150 cards rock the socks off

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quink:

4xpvr250's? damn. who needs that much tv?

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fryfrog:

ahha

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fryfrog:

now i have 2x HD cards and 2x firewire tuners

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fryfrog:

STBs that is

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weasie:

well, since fryfrog has 512mb, maybe it is simply ram. I think I may try a different window manager and see if that lowers my memory requirement

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fryfrog:

it keeps the array filled up :)

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Cyberai:

fryfrog, how do you get the channel listings for the OTA HD stuff?

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quink:

damn. imo there is a point that you can reach where you just need to get up from bieng in front of the tv and find a life.

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fryfrog:

Cyberai: I don't do OTA, but it'd be from datadirect in the US

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GreyFoxx:

quink: Not every myth user is a single geek bachelor, some of us are feeding entertainment to our family, in multiple rooms :)

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fryfrog:

quink: my box deletes most of the shows i record automatically :(

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Cyberai:

ok, I'm getting an OTA HD card soon

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quink:

GreyFoxx: still, even then i think thats nuts.

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Smirnov:

fryfrog: XVID wont be decoded with MPEG2 hW card will they

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fryfrog:

I just use it to catch 24, Lost, BSG and a few others :)

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Cyberai:

can anyone recommend a good surround sound solution?

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fryfrog:

Smirnov: er, what?

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GreyFoxx:

Smirnov: The mpeg2 cards he is referring to are mpeg2 encoding TVin cards

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fryfrog:

Smirnov: an mpeg2 card *outputs* mpeg2, there is no "decoding" involved

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Smirnov:

oh

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quink:

mainly, i suppose, because most stuff on tv is fairly crappy these days and would only require maybe 2 tuners.

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GreyFoxx:

Smirnov: They do the compression on the card so it doesn';t take any cpu to record

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Smirnov:

mpeg2 do decode *and* encode right?

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fryfrog:

quink: yeah, the 2 hd tuners are a waste

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fryfrog:

but i had them before i got firewire working

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fryfrog:

Smirnov: no

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fryfrog:

Smirnov: unless you waste your $$$ on a PVR350

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fryfrog:

the graphics card and cpu do the "decoding"

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Smirnov:

what does it do t hen

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Kyler:

My MythTV system has been running for over a year now and it's getting sloooow. It often times out when I select a recording to play. Is MySQL the problem?

[01:47:04]

quink:

i'm nearly done building my replacement mythtv box. only has 1 tuner

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Smirnov:

oh graphics card do decoding? i got a 6800GT that should be good right

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fryfrog:

A PVR150 turns the signal into an mpeg2 stream

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fryfrog:

a GF4 is plenty

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Smirnov:

ok

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fryfrog:

6800GT is so overkill you should send it to me

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GreyFoxx:

Smirnov: Your CPU is plenty fast enough to decode in software

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Smirnov:

haha

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Smirnov:

but i want to play videos and record 1 video stream at the same time

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fryfrog:

yeah, in fact that whole box is a waste on mythtv

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Smirnov:

well

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GreyFoxx:

Smirnov: Your cpu is enough for that too

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Smirnov:

i want to use it for some basic apps at the same time

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fryfrog:

you could record 4 streams of mpeg2 (4x pvr150) and watch 1 at the same time on a 1ghz machine with a gf4

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Cyberai:

can anyone recommend a good surround sound solution?

[01:48:19]

Smirnov:

1 monitor to TV, 1 monitor LCD?

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GreyFoxx:

Smirnov: if you use PVR cards then it takes 0% cpu to record

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Smirnov:

what about if you do mpeg2 record in software

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fryfrog:

Cyberai: try an audio review site?

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fryfrog:

then it uses cpu :p

[01:49:09]

fryfrog:

but the quality of those cards is so crap, its not worth bothering with if you are serious about it

[01:49:14]

fryfrog:

even more cpu

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GreyFoxx:

The output of the pvr cards are good quality, and take no cpu

[01:49:18]

Cyberai:

well fryfrog, I was specifically looking to see aht others had used with myth

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GreyFoxx:

using software cards is just silly

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Cyberai:

I'd rather not reinvent the wheel you know?

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fryfrog:

Cyberai: ah, probably just what ever they already have :)

[01:49:48]

fryfrog:

something with optical or coax digital inputs and 4–7 speaker outputs :)

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Smirnov:

so with my specs what should I do, i just want to play 1 video (mythtv, or possibly a torrented xvid file), and record my plain SD TV 1 stream?

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Cyberai:

I was hoping to find someone who had done spdif out to a bose or something

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GreyFoxx:

Smirnov: Buy a PVR150

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fryfrog:

Smirnov: do you have cable?

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fryfrog:

bose is crap :)

[01:50:25]

fryfrog:

don't waste your monies on it

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Cyberai:

fryfrog, as opposed to?

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Milosch:

i can record and playback tv on a celeron 622 with 256M RAM and a pvr-350, if that gives you any idea

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fryfrog:

honestly, i dunno :)

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Milosch:

and yes i had the 350 already

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fryfrog:

poor guy :)

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Cyberai:

My parent's have a bose system and it's unreal its so good

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Milosch:

not really, it's a good looking card

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alsoconfused:

my parents have a bose system and it sucks

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fryfrog:

of course, its all based on perception but... most of the money you pay for a bose system goes to the advertising, not the quality of the system itself

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Smirnov:

GreyFoxx: ok a WinTV PVR-150 ?

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weasie:

well, I tried fluxbox instead of KDE and that dropped swap down to 57520k but my playback is still choppy and my iowait high

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xris:

Cyberai: just don't say that to any audiophiles who might be around.

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GreyFoxx:

Smirnov: Yes

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fryfrog:

a lot of their systems use the same, crappy paper cones that all the cheap walmart systems use :p

[01:52:17]

Smirnov:

thats gonna work with 64-bit right

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Milosch:

Smirnov: if you plan on also recording another program, get two, or maybe a pvr-500

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alsoconfused:

i worked at a stereo shop back in the eighties. a salesman told some customer to stay away from bose cuz it sucks so bad. the customer turned out to be Dr. Bose.

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Cyberai:

oh I don't doubt it, I think it's overpriced. But I'd like to get that kind of quality and I don't want to go out into the unknown. if someone else in here had a system they recommended that would make me feel better, you know?

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xris:

alsoconfused: lol

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fryfrog:

weasie: you are watching HD live, what happens if you *record* it and then play it back later?

[01:52:48]

Smirnov:

Milosch: i'd need two cable inputs for that wouldnt I/

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Smirnov:

i just have analog cable

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xris:

Cyberai: BOSE is considered to be on the upper end of "low end" speakers.

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alsoconfused:

he pulled the product from the store.

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fryfrog:

Cyberai: ah, lemme see if i can track down that great site about bose

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toad_:

hmmm

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weasie:

fryfrog, still see same issues

[01:53:04]

toad_:

interesting

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quink:

xris: i wouldn't even put it that good.

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Milosch:

Smirnov: a 500 is a single card with two 150's on it

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quink:

bose is supposed to be a ripoff, no matter what end you talk about

[01:53:27]

toad_:

it seems that the ffmpeg-picks-the-wrong-stream bug occurs on debian sarge but not on debian etch

[01:53:28]

Milosch:

Smirnov: one tuner input, i.e. a splitter onboard

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fryfrog:

Cyberai: it actually had some great recomendations for items that were priced about the same as bose (or less) but were much better quality

[01:53:30]

Smirnov:

Milosch: yeah but i cant record two streams with just 1 analog cable input right?

[01:53:34]

xris:

gets more crap than it deserves, though.. most bose setups are just REALLY finnicky about where you place the speakers. move then 6 inches and they sound like crap vs good.

[01:53:44]

Cyberai:

I have heard great things about prodigy cards, but linux support is iffy

[01:53:45]

fryfrog:

weasie: no high cpu usage though?

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toad_:

hence if i try to play recorded MPEGs with audio desc, it will play the audio desc on mplayer – but transcode gets the right one!

[01:53:59]

xris:

s/then/them/

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Cyberai:

sweet fryfrog, I'd be really grateful

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toad_:

because transcode runs on the computer running etch

[01:54:06]

** toad_ is very happy about that :) **

[01:54:35]

weasie:

fryfrog: interesting.... I just decided to play back a recorded show with using fluxbox instead of KDE. my IO Wait is mch better and nit looks almost smooth

[01:54:36]

Milosch:

Smirnov: it's a per-tuner thing, man

[01:54:38]

toad_:

if i play the transcoded file, it works perfectly

[01:55:19]

weasie:

fryfrog: I think I just have a plain memory issue here and need to see what else I can "turn off" to save ram. Or just fork out the dough for another 512meg

[01:55:20]

** toad_ would just like to point this out to anyone who has had these problems: try it on a more recent linux distro **

[01:55:25]

fryfrog:

Cyberai: i'm not having any luck, i read it a year or more ago :(

[01:55:30]

Cyberai:

crud

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Milosch:

Smirnov: or input, rather, you could use the same card to watch your vhs if you want to, composite or svideo

[01:55:48]

Cyberai:

well, has anyone done spdif out?

[01:55:50]

fryfrog:

i'm just looking for "bose review" or "bose sucks" or "bose critique" on google

[01:55:52]

Cyberai:

is it hard?

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Smirnov:

do I need anything special for audio output to the TV besides converter cables?

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fryfrog:

weasie: I *did* have to make mythcommflag nice to 19 to run nicely...

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Milosch:

svideo and mini to rca cables i guess

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fryfrog:

weasie: otherwise my HD skips bad

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fryfrog:

in fact, my problem is like up to 150% cpu usage during HD playback :(

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weasie:

fryfrog: well, in this case mythcommflag isn't running actively right now, so I think I am ok there

[01:57:29]

weasie:

fryfrog: what video card you have?

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fryfrog:

anyway, time to read and goto bed

[01:57:53]

alsoconfused:

weasie: fwiw, i run kde+myth +++ with 1GB of memory and I still end up swapping. swapping to multiple drives helps a lot.

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weasie:

fryfrog: I am running a 6200 in this box with the 9746 driver

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fryfrog:

ah, my main backend has one of those 6200s

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fryfrog:

i had some skipping (3200+ w/ 1G), but i don't know if it still does

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fryfrog:

barely ever use it as a FE

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weasie:

fryfrog: I had to not use XVMC and turn off some other settings to make it work

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weasie:

fryfrog: also, I have an athlon 64 3000+ as my proc

[01:59:38]

fryfrog:

you know, i had no luck with XVMC either!

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fryfrog:

actually, mines a 3000+!

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weasie:

alsoconfused: yeah, I expect some swapping, but I think I may be doing too much of it

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fryfrog:

the 3200s are in my winblows boxes

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weasie:

lol

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fryfrog:

I wanna track down a cheap 3800+ X2 for it

[02:00:29]

weasie:

well, a 3000+ should have enough horse power

[02:00:33]

fryfrog:

but they are like $200 on fleabay, same price as a stupid 4400+!

[02:00:38]

fryfrog:

yeah, for sure

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weasie:

I can't do the X2 as this is a 754 socket

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fryfrog:

my dual 2.4s are *just* a bit to little

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quink:

fryfrog: don't use ebay.....use forums

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fryfrog:

ah, 939 here

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Smirnov:

anyone?

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fryfrog:

anyway, night :p

[02:01:02]

quink:

or just newegg

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weasie:

yeah, my main windows box is a 4600+ 939

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weasie:

later

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weasie:

thanks for the help man

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Smirnov:

does it matter which flavor of PVR-150 i buy

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xris:

Smirnov: more which version than which flavor, and it's hard to have any control over which version you get

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xris:

s/version/revision/

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Smirnov:

that tv tuner card is OK if im using 64-bit right?

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xris:

Smirnov: no telling without looking at the specific chipset on the card.. but it doesn't really matter. you just need to make sure that you run the latest drivers.

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Smirnov:

ok

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Smirnov:

so it *should* work with 64-bit?

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xris:

64 bit doesn't make a difference.

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xris:

Smirnov: just to check, you want to record *analog* cable, correct?

[02:05:53]

Smirnov:

xris: yeah im pretty sure its analog

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xris:

Smirnov: if you have a digital HD box, you can get a signal over firewire (assuming you're in the US)

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momelod:

kormoc, got it working

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momelod:

thanx mate

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Smirnov:

nope, no hd box

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Smirnov:

plain SD

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momelod:

now my next problem.. i've got a pvr-150 card. but its recording at 480x480.. where do i alter the resolution?

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momelod:

when i playback the 480x480 picture on the mythfrontend which is at 800x600 it complains about stretching the picture and loosing frames

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kormoc:

you'll never get it to be 800x600

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momelod:

whats the standard?

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kormoc:

you can set it to 720x480 in the recording profiles via mythtv-setup or mythfrontend's setup menu

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xris:

Smirnov: then that's a good starter card (might be able to find a better price elsewhere, but that's a decent price with the remote)

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momelod:

kormoc, thank you

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xris:

momelod: keep in mind that analog cable is at BEST going to be coming from a 544x480i digital source

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Smirnov:

xris: cool and what about audio?

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xris:

Smirnov: out? onboard usually works ok.

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weasie:

well all, I think I found my issue thanks to all the help here. I had another 512 meg laying around. i put it in and now longer to I have high IO Wait.

[02:14:14]

Smirnov:

i got an audigy too

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Smirnov:

dont i need some kinda cables to get it to connect to the TV?

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xris:

Smirnov: that's about the same as onboard as far as difficulty to get running.

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kormoc:

Smirnov, headphone jack to rca adapter, $4.99 at any radio shack

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xris:

Smirnov: you want video-out, then you should get some nvidia video card. it should come with cables.

[02:15:10]

Smirnov:

xris: i have a geforce 6800gt, im pretty sure its got an s-video out

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darkfrog:

I think I messed something up in my mythtv settings because every time I launch now it prescales everything and just gives me a black screen. I can hit ESC and it brings up the "Do you want to exit" screen, but everything else is always black. Anyone know what might be causing this or can they tell me how to restore default settings?

[02:15:33]

xris:

Smirnov: I'm just confused, then... wasn't expecting you to use the tv for audio out.

[02:15:41]

Smirnov:

xris: err.. no...?

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kormoc:

Smirnov, http://www.headphone.com/productphotos/small/0060260005_108.jpg

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Smirnov:

i want to play and record shows on my tv

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kormoc:

Smirnov, http://edifier.ca/eshop/images/L221MF.jpg

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Smirnov:

thats possible with mythtv no?

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xris:

Smirnov: ask the question again.. you asked about audio, and then asked about cables for the tv. were those questions related?

[02:16:07]

tcpsyn:

aye.

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kormoc:

xris, sending audio to the tv

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Smirnov:

yes what kormoc said

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xris:

Smirnov: like I said, I got confused. I was not expecting that you'd use the tv for audio out, since most computer speakers are way better than tv speakers.

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darkfrog:

if I just truncate the settings table for myth...would that be really bad? :o

[02:17:01]

kormoc:

Smirnov, I have the first adapter I showed you, but both will work fine, then just standard rca cables to the tv

[02:17:02]

Smirnov:

xris: umm... ok.. well i dont have any right now :P

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kormoc:

xris, I use my tv for my myth audio out, keeps it all on one remote :P

[02:17:26]

xris:

Smirnov: like I said, I just got confused.

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xris:

kormoc: I use my stereo for myth audio out. :P

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xris:

...and tv audio out, and airport-express audio out, and cablebox audio out....

[02:18:06]

xris:

(for the same reason you do)

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kormoc:

xris, most computer speakers don't have ir controls to control the volumn :P

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Smirnov:

i can use a remote with mytv right

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Smirnov:

mythTV*

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kormoc:

yes

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xris:

Smirnov: yup. any remote supported by lirc

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defaultro:

evening everyone

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defaultro:

I would like to test something. How do I change the internal player so that I can use mplayer instead?

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xris:

defaultro: for mythvideo or mythtv?

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defaultro:

mythtv

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AngryElf:

does the internal player for movies (if it's different than TV) support AC3 output?

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xris:

don't think you can

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defaultro:

oh

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defaultro:

:(

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xris:

mplayer can't play nuv very well

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defaultro:

not the nuv, but the mpg file it records

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defaultro:

like the 1280x720 or 1920x1080 recordings

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defaultro:

here is why I want to do it

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cld2:

how do I tell which lirc module I need for my MCE remote?

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defaultro:

using mythtv's builtin player on xinerama, it only uses my left screen. But with mplayer, the mpg file gets play at the center of both screen, so it's half/half

[02:27:46]

defaultro:

so when I play a recording via mythvideo, it get's displayed on both screen but on edges

[02:27:59]

defaultro:

which is actually what I want for my requirement

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xris:

cld2: well, it's probably either mce_usb or mce_usb2, depending on which remote you have. there's a big page in the mythtv wiki about them.

[02:30:08]

Smirnov:

hmm, why cant i find the bloody Headphone to RCA cable converters?

[02:30:30]

Smirnov:

what site you guys use, newegg?

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defaultro:

xris, any ideas on how we can span the video to 2 screens

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Smirnov:

ok, so i got an LCD, and I want to hook up the TV as my second monitor.. that will work okay with mythTV and let me use the LCD for other simple things right?

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xris:

defaultro: not sure. most people wouldn't want that

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xris:

Smirnov: radio shack, local store.

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defaultro:

i hope we have that feature

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Smirnov:

xris: blah, i dont wanna drive anywhere heh

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defaultro:

but not really for eeveryone

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xris:

Smirnov: it's a $3–5 part, you're not going to save anything buying online.

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Smirnov:

yeah but i was gonna buy the PVR-150 anyway

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Smirnov:

RCA to Headphone right, or Headphone to RCA?

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defaultro:

xris, here is the link as to why I want to do it, http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/texture_colour/edgeblend/

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xris:

defaultro: cute

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defaultro:

:)

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defaultro:

and it's working now but with mplayer, http://www.4290greenfieldlanehome.com/thelast . . . xinerama.mpg

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defaultro:

all that is left is buy 2 projectors and work with Beryl folks

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Smirnov:

all right i guess i can just go drive to a radio shack

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cld2:

xris: thanks. Its the mce_usb2

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defaultro:

so no one knows a hack to use mplayer instead to play recordings in mythtv?

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xris:

cld2: then it's a very nice remote. :) (I love mine, even though I don't use it)

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xris:

defaultro: just symlink your recordings directory into mythvideo

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defaultro:

but i have to add them manually right?

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GreyFoxx:

no, use the video list to browse the filesystem

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defaultro:

oh, I didn't know that

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defaultro:

so i'd go inside mythvideo and bring up menu?

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xris:

y

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defaultro:

I hope that it does duplicate all my entries again in videometadata table

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defaultro:

doesnt

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GreyFoxx:

Videolist doesn't import anything

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GreyFoxx:

You do have to enable browsing the filesystem in the setup menus though

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cld2:

what is the process for getting lirc to work I went throught the howto and I have it "working" with iwr and I made the ~/.mythtv/lircrc file but my remote does not work. any ideas?

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ShiftyPowers:

logitech harmony 880 anyone?

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ShiftyPowers:

anyone use it?

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xris:

cld2: you see the mce_usb2 sample lircrc in mythtv's contrib dir?

[02:56:39]

cld2:

xris: no, I got one from the ubuntu howto. do you have the url for the mythtv one? thanks.

[02:57:06]

xris:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . /configfiles

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cld2:

thanks :)

[02:57:52]

cld2:

same thing I have

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cld2:

in /root/.mythtv/lircrc

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Smirnov:

whats the standard cable i plug into the audio card called, i need to know so i can buy some extenders?

[03:00:40]

cld2:

3.5 inch stero jack?

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cld2:

stereo even.

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alsoconfused:

1/8" 3.5mm

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Smirnov:

i can use this to connect to my TV right

[03:01:43]

Smirnov:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Searc . . . mp;CatId=453

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xris:

Smirnov: yup.

[03:02:43]

** xris gasps at a belkin cable for a reasonable price **

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Smirnov:

haha yeah, *and* its 6 feet

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xris:

it'll cost you more than that for shipping, though

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xris:

Smirnov: http://www.monoprice.com/products/search.asp? . . . ;x=0&y=0

[03:04:19]

xris:

I'll let you narrow down the results

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ServerSage:

So I just moved from michigan to California. How do I get mythfilldatabase to actually update my database with the new channels here in Cali?

[03:04:48]

ServerSage:

It appears to have double listings for channels in my database (I have two channel 6's for example)

[03:04:52]

xris:

here, better link: http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartme . . . 8&style=

[03:05:15]

xris:

ServerSage: you'll want to empty channel and program tables, and then run mfdb with --do-channel-updates

[03:07:18]

ServerSage:

xris: Awesome. Thanks. Backing up first of course. Hehe.

[03:07:45]

xris:

ServerSage: if you're the cautious/sensible type, yes. :)

[03:07:55]

xris:

it's not like that data does you any good now.

[03:08:03]

Smirnov:

ah, mysql, thats the language i know ;)

[03:08:45]

Smirnov:

it looks like there are many versions of PVR-150?

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ServerSage:

xris: Wow, thanks. I'm one happy camper now! Worked like a charm.

[03:09:42]

xris:

Smirnov: many revisions, and about 4 or 5 different versions sold

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Smirnov:

which one should i get

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xris:

ServerSage: :) I've done it a lot

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xris:

Smirnov: doesn't really matter aside from the extras you get and the different ports on the card (mce version has rca audio output vs 3.5mm on the standard)

[03:12:02]

Smirnov:

how come its got all 3 of those tv outputs?

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mchou:

xris: you here?

[03:12:58]

xris:

yes

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xris:

Smirnov: those are inputs, not output

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mchou:

xris: you wouldnt happen to know if nuvexport "works" with myth release ver. of 0.20?

[03:13:55]

Smirnov:

xris: oh... ok

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xris:

0.4

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xris:

Smirnov: you use your video card for tv-out

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Smirnov:

what about the s-video looking thing

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Smirnov:

and the "TV IN" ?

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xris:

same as the rest. all inputs

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alsoconfused:

is MPEG-2 PS the correct stream type to use on a pvr-250?

[03:15:22]

Smirnov:

but you dont use *all* 5 of them at once do you

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xris:

Smirnov: no, only one at a time.

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xris:

alsoconfused: should be

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Smirnov:

xris: then why are there 5 inputs ??

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xris:

Smirnov: because people get their tv from a variety of different sources? And there are really only 3. rf, composite and svideo. the audio goes with both composite and svideo

[03:16:39]

Fooker:

Would anyone know, what are the chances that a regular DVD player would play the mpeg2 files generated by mythtv?

[03:16:51]

GreyFoxx:

the driver detects the inputs the chipset supports, not just the ones that have connectors

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alsoconfused:

thx xris. i'm trying to figure out why mythfrontend sometimes freezes when the program changes during livetv.

[03:16:58]

xris:

Fooker: mythtv doesn't generate any mpeg2 files.

[03:17:18]

Smirnov:

xris: can i just plugin the analog cable thing i got from my cable company into the one that says "TV-IN" ?

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xris:

Smirnov: yes. that's the RF connector.

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Smirnov:

oh all right

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Fooker:

1032_20070115150000.mpg: MPEG sequence, v2, program multiplex

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Smirnov:

im gonna go ahead and buy that PVR-150 then

[03:18:00]

Fooker:

Thats the native files generated when I record programs with mythtv.

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xris:

Fooker: those aren't created by mythtv. they're created by ivtv, or pulled from firewire, or from a dvb/atsc card

[03:18:23]

Fooker:

At the request of mythtv

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xris:

Fooker: but depends on the dvd player and the kind of mpeg2 files you're talking about. generally, even if you remux to a compatible format, occasional missing frames from ivtv-created files will cause AV sync problems in many standalone players.

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xris:

Fooker: yes. but not BY mythtv.

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cld2:

is there something wrong with running mythfrontend as root?

[03:18:48]

Fooker:

So basically, created by mythtv

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cld2:

its not seeming to read my .mythtv/lircrc file

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GreyFoxx:

cld:

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Fooker:

No one says the mencoder doesn't create files because its using a different system call to write the files.

[03:19:18]

xris:

cld2: only an issue if you don't trust the mythtv devs. I usually run it as root, just because I'm lazy.

[03:19:37]

Smirnov:

thats bad:(

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BULLE:

i trust the myth devs, as in they wont intentionaly ttry to kill my machine

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GreyFoxx:

Fooker: Ok how about this working, myth creates the file, but the ivtv card creates the content

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cld2:

xris: yeah, I cant get startx to work as anyone but root with out xdm/gdm

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GreyFoxx:

s/working/wording

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xris:

Fooker: doesn't change my answer to your actual question, though.

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cld2:

alsoconfused: root

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Fooker:

Its just adding extra to it to make certain people look smarter

[03:20:57]

GreyFoxx:

Fooker: That wording implys that myth encoded it to many people in here

[03:21:12]

Fooker:

Whatever. Too lazy to argue this one :P

[03:21:37]

Fooker:

So that means I need to buy another buy with a DVD burner in it.... wonderful.

[03:21:47]

xris:

Fooker: did you catch my legit reply?

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alsoconfused:

cld2: and ~root/.mythtv/lircrc contains the proper config?

[03:22:10]

Fooker:

xris: Yep.

[03:22:18]

xris:

Fooker: if you want to burn DVDs, install mytharchive, it will do the necessary tweaking to get things working.

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cld2:

alsoconfused: I assume, its the file i got from xris off the mythtv wiki contrib section

[03:22:29]

Fooker:

xris: Your basically saying the chances are never 100%, but their better if I re-encode

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Smirnov:

so does mythtv have some kinda plugin thing if you want to write your own plugins, C, python, something like that?

[03:22:48]

xris:

Fooker: if you reencode, they should be 99.9% fine

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Fooker:

xris: So I'll re-encode. Which means I need another box with a DVD burner in it

[03:23:02]

xris:

Fooker: why another box?

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GreyFoxx:

Smirnov: Yes, there are several plugins

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GreyFoxx:

Mythvideol, mythmusic, mythgallery, etc are all plugins

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Fooker:

Because I already run two jobs after every recording, which are both quite CPU intensive and take a long time, and I record allot of programs

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xris:

Fooker: gotcha

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cld2:

xris: that sym link didnt work either

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alsoconfused:

cld2: confirm that your frontend was built with lirc: ldd /path/to/mythfrontend |grep lirc

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Fooker:

If I added a third, the jobs would never have a chance to finish – they would build up quicker than my current box could do them

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xris:

cld2: irw/etc all works?

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cld2:

xris: I could do irw and see all the buttons

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xris:

Fooker: could just add another backend to offload some of the work.

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cld2:

alsoconfused: thanks, checking

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Fooker:

Is the mytharchive encoding and stuff done on the frontend or the backend?

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xris:

Fooker: frontend

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GreyFoxx:

That would be the frontend

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xris:

but the user jobs are done on the backend.

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Fooker:

Ok, so I could buy a new frontend and run the mytharchive stuff off of it

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cld2:

alsoconfused: out put of your command: liblirc_client.so.0 => /usr/lib/liblirc_client.so.0 (0xb5ab4000)

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Fooker:

And did I hear that you can setup a backend without any tuners that just does user jobs?

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xris:

Fooker: backend doesn't require tuners. you could set it up just to manage storage, etc.

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Fooker:

Wait a sec! I'm a bloody idiot. My old computers downstairs not being used now that my brother has a laptop....... that'll make a great box for this

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alsoconfused:

cld2: that's cool. now try: ircat --config=/root/.mythtv/lircrc mythtv

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Fooker:

It'll need new disks, a video card, and some memory, but the CPU should be enough.... frontends don't use up much CPU do they?

[03:27:09]

Fooker:

Assuming SD television?

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alsoconfused:

cld2: that's like irw except it shows what would actually be sent to the application (mythfrontend)

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cld2:

alsoconfused: what do I do once thats running?

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cld2:

ah ok, thanks

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xris:

Fooker: not much, no.

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cld2:

alsoconfused: its showing the buttons for the keyboard use of myth

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xris:

500mhz p3 should be enough

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Fooker:

xris: That much?

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xris:

Fooker: mpeg2 is still fairly intensive to decode

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alsoconfused:

cld2: that's correct

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Fooker:

xris: I would have thought that the majority of the work would be offloaded to the video card...

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cld2:

alsoconfused: except channel up and down show nothing.

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Fooker:

How well does the PVR-350 work under linux? Can it be used for decoding?

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xris:

Fooker: video card resizes, but doesn't decode... xvmc supposedly helps, but I haven't had much luck personally

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xris:

350 works, but is a HUGE pain. not to mention more than the cost of a proc that can decode just fine

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Smirnov:

all right i just bought a PVR-150 ..

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xris:

Smirnov: :)

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Smirnov:

i can just get the drivers for that from apt /

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cld2:

alsoconfused: does it matter that I have a keyboard and mouse plugged in also? does that override the remote for myth?

[03:31:34]

Fooker:

350's only 180$

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alsoconfused:

cld2: not that i've ever seen

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xris:

cld2: no, lirc just sends keypress signals

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cld2:

thanks.

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xris:

Fooker: and a 3Ghz proc is under $100

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Smirnov:

can you hack the remote to do keypress macros? :P

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cld2:

hmm, still not working :(

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xris:

Smirnov: not sure. that's up to lirc. wouldn't surprise me if it could, though.

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Fooker:

A 150 is 80$ and a video card is 90$....

[03:32:36]

Smirnov:

anyone here using ubuntu? should i upgrade to the latest version? i'm on 6.06 right now

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alsoconfused:

cld2: try starting the frontend like this: strace -f -o /tmp/tr mythfrontend

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cld2:

alsoconfused: ok, can I redirect that to a tmp file, I cant see terminal very well on the tv

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alsoconfused:

cld2: after the gui comes up, just exit it and grep lirc /tmp/tr

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cld2:

oh, you beat me to it

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cld2:

thanks

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mchou:

xris: when I try to run nuvinfo it complains it cant find MythTV.pm. I see that is in the bindings/ dir. How do I get the whole thing installed so nuvexport works?

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xris:

mchou: you're running 0.5, not 0.4

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xris:

0.5 is for svn

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mchou:

xris: so how exactly do I get 0.4?

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alsoconfused:

cld, you should see: open("/usr/lib/liblirc_client.so.0", connect(17, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/dev/lircd"}, and open("/root/.mythtv/lircrc"

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xris:

mchou: download it from forevermore.net

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mchou:

I mean what's the svn command

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cld2:

alsoconfused: http://pastebin.ca/318114

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cld2:

i get an <unfinished... > after the lircrc files

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alsoconfused:

cld it's looking for /.mythtv/lircrc

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xris:

mchou: no more public svn of .4

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xris:

mchou: but http://svn.forevermore.net/svn/nuvexport/ probably still works

[03:36:44]

mchou:

xris: damn, down the memory hole? That's not cool :)

[03:36:59]

xris:

mchou: it all got imported into mythtv svn.

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xris:

you could go dig through the revisions if you REALLY wanted to. but it wouldn't have a lot of fixes I've put into .5

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alsoconfused:

cld2: what is root's home directory (in /etc/passwd) ?

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cld2:

- /root

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cld2:

let me symlink from /

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alsoconfused:

cld2: weird... echo $HOME

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Fooker:

xris: Athlon XP Pro 2000+. That be half decent for ffmpeg user jobs and for running a frontend?

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cld2:

- /root

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xris:

Fooker: I'd personally stay away from any 32 bit amd procs, but it'd do the job.

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CyberKnet2:

hmmm

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CyberKnet2:

because of heat?

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ShiftyPowers:

what are the command line codes to stop power saving features from making mythtv blank my monitor?

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xris:

CyberKnet2: and reliability

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Mattwj2005:

hey guys

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CyberKnet2:

I haven't had any problems with my old XP 2200+

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Mattwj2005:

anyone try the new Knoppmyth?

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CyberKnet2:

not that that is empirical in any way

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Fooker:

xris: I'm curious as to why as well, aside from reliability (their a PITA if not kept cold)

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CyberKnet2:

It's on it's second cpu fan, but that's not really the fault of the CPU (unless it cooked the first fan's lube... but I don't think it was. I think it was dust)

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xris:

Fooker: seen too many of them die vs intel

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CyberKnet2:

pixelstick: yes?

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momelod_:

hey, im getting choppy playback when watching recordings and live tv

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momelod_:

is it possible to use my ati card's build in mpeg-2 decoder?

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CyberKnet2:

momelod: for accellerated MPEG2 decoding in Myth?

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xris:

momelod_: unlikely given how crappy ati drivers are in linux

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Mattwj2005:

I'll have to upgrade next weekend

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Zider:

xris: or in any os

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Fooker:

I think it has more to do with how crappy ATI's hardware is...

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cld2:

alsoconfused: I made a link from / and it worked. thanks very much for the help

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momelod_:

CyberKnet2, not sure about accelerated but libmpeg2 and ffmeg seem choppy

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Mattwj2005:

hopefully it'll be less buggy :)

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momelod_:

ffmpeg

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cld2:

whats the key for channel up and down?

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momelod_:

are the ati cards just a bad choice?

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xris:

momelod_: especially in linux

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Mattwj2005:

nvidia I think work better

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Fooker:

xris: So out of curiosity, for a box running a backend with three tuners (all PVR-150s) and two seperate front ends, along with a few heavy ffmpeg user jobs per recording, what hardware would you go with?

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CyberKnet2:

momelod: There is no good choice in linux really.

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xris:

cld2: up/down arror

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Mattwj2005:

I have a GeForce 5200 FX that works pretty well

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xris:

Fooker: frontends running on the same box?

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Fooker:

xris: Sadly, yes

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momelod_:

what about the pvr-300 w/ video out?

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CyberKnet2:

Mattwj2005: yes. If you don't mind non-Free drives, then nvidia is a good choice.

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Zider:

CyberKnet2: nvidia is a good choice for linux

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xris:

Fooker: sounds like a headache

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Mattwj2005:

good point but I think it is better support then ATI

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Mattwj2005:

:)

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Fooker:

xris: Well, two X sessions are easy to do, so running mythfrontend as two different users at the same time shouldn't be too much work

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CyberKnet2:

Zider: only if a) You don't need accellerated 3D or b) You don't care about non-Free drivers.

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xris:

Fooker: core2 or amd64, though.. whichever is cheapest at the time.

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Fooker:

Dual core or quad core?

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xris:

Fooker: except that mythtv stores settings per host, not per-user+host

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Fooker:

Ah

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Zider:

CyberKnet2: eh? nvidia always had accelerated 3Dafaik

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xris:

Fooker: "cheapest" and "quad core" don't get along.

[03:47:53]

Fooker:

Well, in that case, one frontend. I'll figure out how to hide a box in my living room

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Mattwj2005:

the ones of the Nvidia site don't bug me too much....my system is just a home brew device

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xris:

and won't until intel actually releases quad core outside of their "extreme" line.

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Mattwj2005:

*off

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cld2:

xris: thanks

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Fooker:

I mean two dual cores in the same box :)

[03:48:21]

Fooker:

Like a two way opteron maybe

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xris:

Fooker: xeon is also never "cheapest"

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cld2:

xris: is there a way to do it not inside the confines of the little pop up thing?

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xris:

nor is opteron

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xris:

cld2: huh?

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CyberKnet2:

Zider: a) was related to b). There is a Free X driver for nvidia that is non-accellerated... thus the "don't need accellerated 3D", or there is an accellerated Non-Free driver... thus the "or don't care about having a Free driver"

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alsoconfused:

cld2: fwiw, i suspect $HOME is somehow not being exported to mythfrontend. that might cause other probs. beware.

[03:49:41]

Zider:

CyberKnet2: you can get accelerated 3d with the freedrivers too, just not directly thru the driver

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xris:

cld2: you're running ubuntu, right?

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cld2:

xris: to change channels is there a way just to channel up with out that little thing that pops up with all the channel/show info?

[03:50:04]

cld2:

xris: yes.

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Mattwj2005:

if I had my way all software and media would be GPL....but the real world doesn't work that way

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CyberKnet2:

Zider: cite?

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cld2:

alsoconfused: thanks for the help

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xris:

cld2: the osd? might be able to turn it off in the mythtv config. dunno why you'd want to, though.

[03:50:28]

Mattwj2005:

it doesn't hurt to try though :)

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Zider:

CyberKnet2: don't have an url for it

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alsoconfused:

cld2: there is a setting for that, but i've never tried it.

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cld2:

ok, thanks

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CyberKnet2:

Zider: The only thing I have heard of recently is Noveau, and that is a long way from a working X driver...

[03:52:32]

Zider:

CyberKnet2: it's not a driver, it's a separate thing

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Fooker:

Why are computers so expensive still.... a 300gig HD should be like 50$

[03:52:50]

CyberKnet2:

Zider: thing?

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Mattwj2005:

I am saving up for a dream system

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cld2:

my OSD, when I try to change channels in the top left in a little red bar attached to the osd it says "Adding Char" what is that?

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xris:

cld2: sounds like something's f'd up

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Zider:

CyberKnet2: I just know it's a package in the system, no changes to xorg.conf (that I can remember)

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cld2:

xris: thats the story of my setup :) thanks for all the help

[03:54:08]

xris:

cld2: you could try compiling from source.

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Mattwj2005:

I really want at least 1 TB of storage

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Mattwj2005:

the system won't be for mythtv but I will transfer files from mythtv

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Fooker:

I'm wondering if its worth setting up anything else.... but I suppose if I get that second tuner, I'm gonna need a second system to do my user jobs...

[03:56:20]

xris:

Fooker: what are the big user jobs?

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Fooker:

Especially if I still want to keep using my backend as my main desktop....

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alsoconfused:

i wish i knew why my frontend sometimes freezes when switching from one pvr-250 stream to another (in livetv). i've tried both decoders. i've also tried various versions of kernel, ivtv and .20-. i never had this problem with 0.18. anyone have any ideas?

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Fooker:

xris: Encoding everything I record to an ipod compat format

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Zider:

CyberKnet2: ah, it's the DRI stuff

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xris:

Fooker: ahh... why not just do only things you'd want to WATCH on the ipod?

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CyberKnet2:

Zider: using the xorg nv driver?

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Zider:

CyberKnet2: yes

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Fooker:

xris: I watch 90% of my TV on my ipod

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xris:

Fooker: wow

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Zider:

CyberKnet2: same as with xorgs ati drivers iirc

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CyberKnet2:

Zider: I wouldn't count on much "accelleration" from the nv driver at all.

[03:58:17]

Zider:

CyberKnet2: well it works

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Milosch:

hey there, on one of my sources, the channel up in browse mode always resets to the first channel

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Fooker:

xris: I'm apparently "gifted" accademically (I think the school systems just really stupid), so basically I needed to find something to do during class all the time... 8 classes a day, 3 half hour programs a class... thats a lot of transcoding

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Mattwj2005:

Smirnov you can always install Knoppmyth ;)

[03:58:58]

xris:

Zider: last I tried, the nv driver didn't even come close to the radeon driver

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Milosch:

up or down, rather

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Smirnov:

Mattwj2005: ill pass

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CyberKnet2:

Zider: There is very, very little 3D accelleration in the nv driver

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Zider:

xris: maybe not, but it can still do acc 3D

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CyberKnet2:

if any

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay .... just trying to help :)

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xris:

Fooker: funny. I just did my homework. but we didn't have ipods back then. lol

[03:59:51]

Zider:

CyberKnet2: dunno how much it is, but it does work

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xris:

(or played video games on my laptop)

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Mattwj2005:

some distros like Ubuntu make it pretty straightforward too

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Fooker:

xris: They'd never let a laptop into a classroom here :)

[04:00:27]

xris:

Fooker: but they let ipods?

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Fooker:

xris: Specially mine :)

[04:00:32]

Smirnov:

high school?

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CyberKnet2:

Zider: Are you positive the 3d work was not being done in software?

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Fooker:

xris: Lets put it this way – my laptop case is the third largest pelican case sold by any dealers.

[04:01:03]

xris:

Fooker: when I was in high school, laptops were fine (and keep in mind that I graduated in 1995), but any sort of portable music device was way out.

[04:01:12]

CyberKnet2:

Zider: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/nv

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Fooker:

xris: When its got all my equipment in it, it weights over 50 pounds :)

[04:01:22]

CyberKnet2:

"At present the nv driver has no 3D acceleration"

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xris:

Fooker: that's no longer a laptop

[04:01:36]

Fooker:

xris: iPods can't be used to communicate, laptops can.

[04:01:41]

Smirnov:

laptops are kind of useless in high school, no?

[04:01:49]

xris:

Fooker: laptops can be used to take notes.

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xris:

Smirnov: I can type faster than I write.

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xris:

Fooker: where do you go to school>

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CyberKnet2:

xris: ditto. FAR faster.

[04:02:12]

Smirnov:

yeah but are you really going to take notes or play games while the teacher cant see ur screen ;)

[04:02:14]

Fooker:

Smirnov: Considering that you can learn everything right out of the text without coping down the teachers notes, yeah, pretty useless

[04:02:27]

xris:

Smirnov: most of the time, I took notes. and worked on papers for other classes, etc.

[04:02:30]

Fooker:

xris: Canada :)

[04:02:35]

Zider:

CyberKnet2: could have been the utahglx I used.. been a while since I did it

[04:02:38]

Smirnov:

the only teachers that gave me notes were math and physics

[04:02:43]

Smirnov:

and you cant exactly type those up easily

[04:02:54]

xris:

Smirnov: then again, I spent my last 2 years of high school AT a college, so maybe that was different.

[04:03:04]

Fooker:

School system as a whole has banned any communications devices.

[04:03:13]

Smirnov:

we had discussion-style lectures in all my other classes

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xris:

Fooker: weird

[04:03:23]

xris:

Smirnov: and you don't take notes from those?

[04:03:29]

Smirnov:

xris: if we were only to be so fortuntae..

[04:03:32]

Fooker:

xris: Could set of a bomb with a cell phone! :P

[04:03:36]

Smirnov:

no, no point :P

[04:03:41]

Milosch:

is there no other way than to drop and reload all sources?

[04:03:46]

Smirnov:

i take notes when teacher writes stuff on board

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CyberKnet2:

Zider: That would be a long time ago. ouch.

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CyberKnet2:

Zider: I'd hate to give people advice based off of information that old...

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alsoconfused:

all we had in HS was a payphone to use between classes. 1 phone 1000 students.

[04:04:32]

Zider:

CyberKnet2: I never said I gave any advice, I just knew I had it working once..

[04:04:51]

** xris is glad to be done with high school. **

[04:05:01]

xris:

college (and even grad school) were WAY more fun

[04:05:10]

Smirnov:

hs sucks

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CyberKnet2:

I'd do HS much differently if I had my time over.

[04:05:38]

Smirnov:

most people would..

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CyberKnet2:

I cared way too much what other people thought.

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alsoconfused:

my 25 year reunion was cancelled for lack of interest

[04:05:57]

cld2:

how come the guide button (alt+g) doesn't work? i should be able to access the guide from anywhere right?

[04:06:32]

xris:

alsoconfused: I missed my 10-year because no one told me about it. apparently the school wouldn't release anyone's contact info, so people had to be tracked down by word of mouth.

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Smirnov:

does ivtv need to be compiled from scratch or are there debs for it

[04:06:50]

cld2:

Smirnov: debs

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alsoconfused:

xris: yeah, i got a call once for someone looking for my brother for his reunion

[04:07:39]

Smirnov:

hmm.. says ubuntu 7.04 includes ivtv, maybe i shoul dupgrade

[04:08:03]

CyberKnet:

anyone else used newegg's site with firefox 2.0.0.1? I'm occasionally getting an odd message indicating my browser isn't compatible...

[04:08:03]

xris:

alsoconfused: I heard from my sister the night that it was happening (she was teaching in the school district that year), but it was too late to go

[04:08:06]

CyberKnet:

how odd.

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xris:

CyberKnet: haven't had any issues

[04:08:25]

Milosch:

CyberKnet: nor i

[04:08:39]

CyberKnet:

I wonder if it is fasterfox related

[04:08:57]

CyberKnet:

Hmmm... no, I don't have fasterfox installed here.

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alsoconfused:

xris: we had an impromptu 15 year reunion that turned into quite a bash. i missed it :(

[04:09:41]

xris:

CyberKnet: and I do.

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xris:

alsoconfused: lame

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xris:

maybe I'll get invited to the 15 year. or 20, at least.

[04:10:07]

xris:

wanted to go back and gloat..

[04:10:12]

CyberKnet:

Aha! AdBlock related

[04:10:21]

CyberKnet:

AdBlock thought one of newegg's scripts was advertising.

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alsoconfused:

i figured it would be lame, but by all accounts, it wasn't. open bar even.

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** kormoc would laugh if his school's reunion involved any alcohol **

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Smirnov:

Hmm . why can't I find ivtv-utils package

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alsoconfused:

a few town cops were part of the class and made sure everyone got home safely.

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psm321:

hi

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psm321:

i thought i remembered there being an option for how much time skip up/down do but i cant find it... any hints?

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alsoconfused:

psm321: do you mean the 30 second fwd,rew ?

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psm321:

no, the 10 minute (used to be 5 minute) big jump

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psm321:

i want to change it back to 5... 10 is way too much

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** xris curses germs **

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Milosch:

Smirnov: i think you'll be happier with the source for your kernel version

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Milosch:

Smirnov: includes the utils, easy compile

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Milosch:

Smirnov: from ivtvdriver.org

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** rtsai likes the new mythweb (hasn't updated in over a month) **

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Milosch:

xris: you familiar with program guide problems and fixes?

[04:18:59]

xris:

Milosch: only if it's in mythweb

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xris:

well, or db-related

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Milosch:

yeah, i was poking around the db to try to find out what's fracked up

[04:19:39]

Milosch:

channel table seems fine

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alsoconfused:

psm321: it seems to have been moved into the playback group config

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Milosch:

i guess i could try to dump program and refill, but i am not sure that is source-specific

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xris:

Milosch: default channel for the tuner in mythtv-setup?

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Milosch:

maybe, but i thought that was supposed to update on each selection

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Milosch:

the other tuners are ok, i mean

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xris:

Milosch: could always run with "-v all" and see if anything shows up

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Milosch:

sure, i can do that

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Milosch:

is the startchan field of any interest?

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xris:

Milosch: that's probably what I called "default channel"

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Milosch:

right

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Milosch:

inputname seems to have some overlap in cardinput table, bugger

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Milosch:

rather, some duplication

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LumpToe:

Q: I have a MythTV box on an old PC (P3). I have some old TV recordings that I would like to re-compress from the 2 other Core 2 Duo Mac in my home. Any ideas?

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xris:

LumpToe: nuv or mpg files?

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LumpToe:

mpg

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xris:

then you can use just about anything you want.

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Smirnov:

Where do I get ivtv-utils for amd64 ?

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kormoc:

http://ivtvdriver.org

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LumpToe:

So if I re-compress to mp4 (using FFMPEG) how do I place them back? Or should I delete it and move them into videos?

[04:36:13]

xris:

LumpToe: what version of mythtv?

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LumpToe:

.18

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SnoopyTwo:

Hi all.... I have a fresh Mythtv install but I'm not getting any TV output from the tuner card.... I have a PVR-500, connected to Comcast cable. I can't seem to turn into any partiucular channel...

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Smirnov:

I got as far as this.. http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ubuntu/dists/dapper/all/ ... but there is _NO_ amd64 ivtv-utils !

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kormoc:

you might have to compile them yourself

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mchou:

Smirnov: dude, dont be daft. comple from source

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xris:

LumpToe: wouldn't advise putting it back into the recordings list.

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Smirnov:

mchou: blah, source?

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Smirnov:

on UBUNTU of all distros?

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mchou:

Smirnov: ivtvdriver.org

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mchou:

Smirnov: wtf are you complaining about?

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Smirnov:

i dont know, there not being amd64 packages maybe?

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LumpToe:

xris: So if I removed them from the tv dir will MythTV remove the SQL entry or do I need to do that as well?

[04:38:22]

mchou:

last I checked ubuntu is capable of compiling

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xris:

LumpToe: just use mythtv to delete them.

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Milosch:

TVRec(5) Error: Start channel invalid, setting to '57' on input Tuner 1

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Smirnov:

lets go over this slowly. there is no amd64 package. there is no source deb so i can build that package myself. yet there is a i386 package

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mchou:

Smirnov: STFU and put amd64 on the ubuntu a64 depos yourself then

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Smirnov:

wow youre so helpful

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xris:

mchou: be nice

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mchou:

Smirnov: I just told you where to get the source

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kormoc:

Smirnov, just ignore him

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mchou:

ivtvdriver.org

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kormoc:

Smirnov, currently all linux distros sometimes involve compiling, it's the nature of the beast

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LumpToe:

xris: Trying to automate it. Getting a list of the titles and filenames using a PHP script

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Milosch:

Smirnov: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Download#Stable_release

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xris:

LumpToe: could just use nuvexport

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SnoopyTwo:

So, I 'm wondering how I could ouch!

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kormoc:

Smirnov, you could write a deb src file

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Milosch:

Smirnov: it's an easy one

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LumpToe:

Will look into it. thanks for your help

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xris:

LumpToe: there are half a dozen tables to remove info from.. and .18 is REALLY old, so people probably won't remember what they are.

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LumpToe:

lol

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Smirnov:

Milosch: dont i have to recompile/rebuild every time i update my kernel

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Milosch:

yes, but ivtv is not yet included in the kernel, afaik. at some point it will be

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LumpToe:

I want to upgrade but my daughter has her recordings of Sesame Street on there (everything else doesn't really matter)

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Milosch:

this will compile in about 2 minutes and you'll be done

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Milosch:

it's not really different than having to muck around with lirc modules, etc.

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Smirnov:

all right i guess

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Milosch:

fortunately their not much of a challenge to compile, but as for any module you'll need kernel headers and probably source

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Milosch:

s/their/they're/

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Smirnov:

do you need anything special to play xvid files on mythtv

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Milosch:

TVRec(5) Error – does this mean sourceid 5?

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SnoopyTwo:

Can anyone offer soem advise on ways to test the tuner and ivtv setup?

[04:48:43]

ethernalq:

What peice should I be looking at debuging if my system reboots when I try to change channels or after idling at the default channel for 3 seconds?

[04:48:59]

SnoopyTwo:

like... 'ivtv-tune -f ???' What frequency can / should I set the card to for a test?

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alsoconfused:

SnoopyTwo: what are you using for a source?

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SnoopyTwo:

Comcast digital cable.... on COAX

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alsoconfused:

SnoopyTwo: i.e. rf input to a pvr-xxx ?

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SnoopyTwo:

Yes.... RF into a PVR-500 (Tuner0)

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TTT_Travis:

ok so I have a really slow computer, I want to use it as a frontend but I don't think it will be fast enough to play the videos what do I upgrade? the video card?

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TTT_Travis:

it is a K6 400MHz AMD thingy

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TTT_Travis:

256mb of ram

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scott__:

lol

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GreyFoxx:

I'd start with motherboard, cpu, and if needed ram

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scott__:

what kind of video card do you have right now?

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alsoconfused:

SnoopyTwo: you should be able to tune (analog only of course) with something like: ivtv-tune -t us-cable-hrc -c 5 ; you may need to select the correct device with -d

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TTT_Travis:

scott__ like a 2MB piece of **** agp card

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GreyFoxx:

TTT_Travis: None of that is really sufficient:) Scrap it all :)

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TTT_Travis:

I think on windows is played videos but choppy?

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TTT_Travis:

k

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TTT_Travis:

so theres no way to use it as a frontend?

[04:55:55]

TTT_Travis:

even I upgrade the video card

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SnoopyTwo:

Awesome... Thanks... I saw that the mplayer trick... but I was hung up on the -f option

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GreyFoxx:

TTT_Travis: Pretty much.

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TTT_Travis:

that sucks

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GreyFoxx:

It would be fine as a backend if you have pvr cards

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GreyFoxx:

but not really useful as a frontend

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TTT_Travis:

oh

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TTT_Travis:

I will have to think of something

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TTT_Travis:

right now I have a celeron 700Mhz with a tv out video card, being used as a frontend but I bought a LCD tv so the composite output just doesn't do it and the video card only has TV out and VGA, no DVI

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TTT_Travis:

so I was going to try that card in the k6 400mhz and buy a cheap dvi card for that computer

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TTT_Travis:

and put the k6 in the other room

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GreyFoxx:

What is your backend running ?

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TTT_Travis:

its on the same thing, I don't use mythtv as a DVR, just for playing videos on my computer

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TTT_Travis:

I sorta umm download?

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GreyFoxx:

oh

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TTT_Travis:

its the best way I could figure out to it

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TTT_Travis:

but I don't know if that k6 will be able to play xvids even if I bought tried the videocard

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TTT_Travis:

maybe I will swap it in later and try it

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GreyFoxx:

It wont

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TTT_Travis:

my video card is like a MX400 64mb

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TTT_Travis:

oh ;(

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TTT_Travis:

it worked really good in the celeron 700, is the 400 k6 that much slower?

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GreyFoxx:

yes it is

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GreyFoxx:

a 400 could barely decode mpeg2

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TTT_Travis:

works fine on the celeron 700 ;)

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GreyFoxx:

they use to sell pci mpeg2 decoders for machines that slow so that they cyuld watch dvd's

[05:02:01]

GreyFoxx:

well, 700 is almost twice as fast as a 400

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GreyFoxx:

400 just isn't up to the job

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GreyFoxx:

as a file server it would be ok, but not as a video playing frontend

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TTT_Travis:

it is a fileserver too

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TTT_Travis:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814139151

[05:02:41]

TTT_Travis:

thats the card I use in the celeron 700

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TTT_Travis:

which works good

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TTT_Travis:

what is the slowest computer I could put that in and still be able to watch videos fine?

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TTT_Travis:

because I can get hold of old computers fairly easily

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kormoc:

personally I use a 2.13 ghz celeron-d with 768 megs of ram

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kormoc:

but I commflag and all that extra fun jazz

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TTT_Travis:

550 600 what? p3?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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TTT_Travis:

p2 wouldn't work I suppose?

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GreyFoxx:

It's really the speed of the processor that;s the issue

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LumpToe:

Q: Somewhere I turned on logging for the backend and I have forgotten where? mythbackend.log is the file (it was 700MB)

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GreyFoxx:

LumpToe: Likely you do it in your init script that is starting mythbackend

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LumpToe:

lol I'll look. I haven't messed with my box in a while

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TTT_Travis:

maybe I will get an old xbox, my friend has one that doesn't read dvds well

[05:07:42]

TTT_Travis:

how do those work for frontends?

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GreyFoxx:

TTT_Travis: many people use them, but often find them loud and slow

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anxt:

anyone got suggestions for nuvexport from pvr-500 capped data?

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anxt:

the pic quilaity seems horrible with every setting

[05:09:02]

anxt:

save export to nuv and sql

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TTT_Travis:

loudness isn't any issue, long cable ;)

[05:09:16]

anxt:

should i just rename the mpg and burn it?

[05:09:18]

xris:

anxt: upgrade nuvexport

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anxt:

using latest

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xris:

latest from my site, or from your distro?

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TTT_Travis:

slow in what way?

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TTT_Travis:

I am just using this for mythvideo

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mchou:

xris: what's the minum ver of ffmpeg necessary for 0.4 nuvexport? I have ffmpeg 0.4.9-pre1.6, that's not enough?

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xris:

anxt: nuvexport --version

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GreyFoxx:

TTT_Travis: the interface is slow, it has very low ram (64meg) so it often has to swap to disk

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mchou:

minimum*

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xris:

mchou: that "pre" crap isn't a version.

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TTT_Travis:

GreyFoxx it can't be that bad though?

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mchou:

xris: so what's the minum version?

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xris:

it's either CVS or SVN. nuvexport should work with both, but things may have changed enough that svn is requred

[05:11:00]

mchou:

minimum*

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xris:

mchou: ffmpeg doesn't have versions anymore

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mchou:

huh??

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GreyFoxx:

TTT_Travis: You'd have to ask someone who uses one just how bad it is

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Smirnov:

anyone here watch stargate and know when the series are resuming?

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anxt:

nuvexport version: 0.4 0.20060918.svn

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xris:

mchou: just what I said. they have svn and that's it.

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GreyFoxx:

Smirnov: They've already started in Canada and the UK

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anxt:

i also grabbed one off the trac

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xris:

anxt: and the latest version on forevermore.net is...?

[05:11:39]

anxt:

maybe i will try that

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Smirnov:

in the US?

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GreyFoxx:

the US resumes in a couple months I thnk

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xris:

http://forevermore.net/files/nuvexport/

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Smirnov:

ah... what about BSG?

[05:12:03]

xris:

Smirnov: this weekend, I think

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GreyFoxx:

Canada only stopped Atlantis for like 2 weeks, and keept playing 4 or 5 new eps after

[05:12:09]

anxt:

20070113

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Smirnov:

i figured people here would know scifi, hehe...

[05:12:13]

GreyFoxx:

Smirnov: Next weekend I think

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anxt:

ok i am a fool

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xris:

nope. jan 21

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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xris:

GreyFoxx is correct

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GreyFoxx:

ok, thought so :)

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Smirnov:

theres gonna be a new stargate right after sg-1 is done right?

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xris:

anxt: ffmpeg changed around their cli parameters... you were stuck telling it something like 900 bits per second instead of kilobits

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GreyFoxx:

Smirnov: No official announcements

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anxt:

xris: hmm

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Smirnov:

ok.. i just dont want to wait a year with only atlantis on

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anxt:

the i should transcode to libcaca

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GreyFoxx:

Other than they are approved for 2 movies, nothing is written in stone yet about the series

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Smirnov:

Dr Who is not bad, but its just not of the same caliber as SG

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Smirnov:

Bah, 2 movies for a 10-year series? im not impressed

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** GreyFoxx is ahuge SG fan, and loves DrWho **

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xris:

anxt: just upgrade nuvexport and you should be fine. it can/should autodetect ffmpeg parameters

[05:14:33]

Smirnov:

its all right.. but just not the same quality wise

[05:14:35]

kormoc:

Smirnov, it's better then 0 movies for a 10 year series

[05:14:36]

GreyFoxx:

I've seen every SG episode at least 3 times (not counting the stuff from the last couple episodes of course)

[05:14:47]

Smirnov:

kormoc: 0 years? what about the first Stargate movie ;)

[05:15:06]

anxt:

xris: i am trying the latest

[05:15:15]

kormoc:

Smirnov, okay... 2 *new* movies is better then 0 new movies

[05:15:32]

xris:

Smirnov: sg1 has pretty much sucked since Anderson left.. and atlantis is still pretty bla. dr who is snarky (aka british)... usually decent writing.

[05:15:47]

anxt:

xris: thanks. that has made a world of difference.

[05:15:52]

xris:

:)

[05:15:58]

kormoc:

xris, *I* still like SG1 :P

[05:15:59]

Smirnov:

atlantis is pretty good

[05:16:16]

anxt:

i thought, like wtf, how can the trascode be THIS bad

[05:16:18]

Smirnov:

sg1 suffers from the "good guys too powerful" syndrome

[05:16:37]

xris:

kormoc: didn't say I didn't like it. but it does suck compared to earlier seasons.

[05:16:38]

Smirnov:

though i didnt like how they suicided the ancient ship in the beginning of the last atlantis season

[05:16:41]

kormoc:

Smirnov, meh, they were getting hammered rather hard by the ori

[05:16:43]

anxt:

gonna dump 100 shows out to vcd

[05:16:56]

anxt:

maybe even divx as it seems to work right

[05:17:04]

Smirnov:

i cant remember, there werent any asgard ships fighting the ori were there?

[05:17:20]

Smirnov:

you'd think they would be on par with ancient technology since asgard were in the alliance with them

[05:17:30]

anxt:

but 52 fps for vcd is compelling

[05:17:50]

kormoc:

Smirnov, asgard haven't shown up for awhile

[05:18:20]

Smirnov:

ori are bullshitters anyways, i hope the ancients stop being pussies and kick their asses

[05:18:42]

kormoc:

I want more firefly... or just more Kaylee

[05:18:52]

Smirnov:

i give 50/50 odds that daniel ascends again and kicks the oris asses

[05:19:07]

Smirnov:

we all want more firefly but apparently wedon doesnt

[05:19:12]

GreyFoxx:

Smirnov: Actually I thgink Daniel becomes a prior of the ori

[05:19:26]

Smirnov:

oh cool maybe he can kick their asses then

[05:19:38]

Smirnov:

no more spoilers plz ;)

[05:19:47]

GreyFoxx:

pffft

[05:20:00]

GreyFoxx:

We all have access to the internet, I'm not a censor

[05:20:07]

jk1joel:

Smirnov: Wheedon would love to make more firefly. not enough interest

[05:20:17]

GreyFoxx:

I'd love to see mroe firefly

[05:20:36]

kormoc:

I'd love to see more of a certain engeneer...

[05:20:37]

Smirnov:

they should just air firefly before/after BSG, that would get it plenty of interest

[05:20:43]

jk1joel:

same here. there's just not enough firefly fans to justify it

[05:20:52]

GreyFoxx:

Serenity was nice

[05:21:05]

Smirnov:

except for that "im a leaf in the wind" bullshit part

[05:21:26]

kormoc:

that's thoughout the entire show tho

[05:21:33]

Smirnov:

i thought he was gonna do away with everyone after that.. apparently not

[05:21:37]

xris:

Smirnov: there's just not enough firefly itself to do that. :)

[05:21:49]

Smirnov:

xris: well, i mean, new seasons of firefly ;)

[05:22:01]

kormoc:

xris, play it till the masses love it! :P

[05:22:25]

Smirnov:

original firefly didnt pick up steam cause it aired at the worst times, out of order and so on

[05:22:29]

anxt:

nice 60 fps export

[05:22:33]

anxt:

woohoo!

[05:22:36]

jk1joel:

Smirnov: that's fox for you

[05:22:38]

Smirnov:

i remember going through hell trying to tivo it..

[05:22:42]

xris:

Smirnov: producers/writers are sometimes dumb. same crap happened with Dead Like Me. great show, fans wanted it back, owner of the rights said no.

[05:22:59]

Smirnov:

oh well... firefly disappears but we get bsg

[05:23:20]

kormoc:

not a fair tradeoff!

[05:23:27]

GreyFoxx:

xris: I loved DLM, was very upset that went away

[05:23:28]

Smirnov:

something is better then nothing

[05:23:36]

kormoc:

if I ever get a billion dollars, I'm gonna single handly bring back firefly

[05:24:18]

Smirnov:

petition billy g

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jk1joel:

I'd much rather have firefly than bsg. firefly=western in space, bsg=soap opera in space

[05:24:48]

GreyFoxx:

xris: Really? That's just stupid artistic bull

[05:24:50]

GreyFoxx:

shame

[05:24:53]

Smirnov:

though you gotta admit... the actiony parts are awesome

[05:24:56]

xris:

GreyFoxx: yup

[05:25:07]

Smirnov:

like when galactica and the other battlestar were tearing up the baseships

[05:25:29]

kormoc:

meh

[05:25:30]

Smirnov:

cant exactly do that in firefly, shes a flying piece of junk ;)

[05:25:47]

kormoc:

Smirnov, but she can lead massive battles!

[05:26:00]

Smirnov:

serenity?

[05:26:09]

kormoc:

Smirnov, aye, reavers vs core

[05:26:20]

Smirnov:

that wasnt leading so much as the pilot praying he didnt get shot lol

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kormoc:

they still followed!

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GreyFoxx:

Hmmm

[05:29:28]

ethernalq:

is there an ivtv channel?

[05:29:36]

GreyFoxx:

mythzoneminder is linking directly to mysql instead of using the myth/qt classes for it

[05:30:06]

Captain_Murdoch:

think I saw an email go by about it doing that for the server portion.

[05:30:22]

GreyFoxx:

yeah zmserver

[05:30:25]

Captain_Murdoch:

don't think server requires qt or myth to be installed

[05:30:30]

GreyFoxx:

ahhh

[05:30:40]

Captain_Murdoch:

since it can run on a remote box

[05:30:52]

GreyFoxx:

Makes sense then

[05:31:37]

GreyFoxx:

I don't install MySQL into any default location which is why I noticed when the compiole failed :)

[05:32:38]

xris:

heh

[05:35:03]

GreyFoxx:

Night :)

[05:36:16]

Milosch:

woof, mythfilldatabase taking 75% cpu?

[05:38:18]

kormoc:

rather it take 1% and 75x as long?

[05:40:14]

Milosch:

maybe something less extreme, eh

[05:40:18]

Milosch:

but this is a reload

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kormoc:

Milosch, why not use the idle cycles?

[05:42:20]

Milosch:

well, i guess i should wait for it to finish, tried to run frontend and crashed the backend

[05:42:22]

Milosch:

anyway

[05:42:38]

Milosch:

i didn't setup the svideo input on the first card, and this is the one with program guide issues on the tuner

[05:42:55]

Milosch:

going to try making the input connection to see if that clears it up

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x86:

anyone know anything about DVI cables?

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kormoc:

they involve quantium mechanics and pre-emptitive electron tunneling

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x86:

heh

[05:48:47]

x86:

well i bought a DVI cable at wall-mart, and it's missing (from my count) 9 pins in the middle of the connector, on both ends

[05:49:06]

x86:

i went to best buy and looked at their $200 cables, and they have all 18+1 pins

[05:49:14]

x86:

err

[05:49:19]

x86:

27+1 pins

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kormoc:

there's a few types of dvi, dvi-i dvi-d etc

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xris:

x86: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvi

[05:49:37]

x86:

xris: that's what i was looking for, thanks :)

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kormoc:

wow, cause wikipedia is so underground :P

[05:50:07]

x86:

right ;)

[05:50:20]

x86:

well if it's missing those 9 pins, that means it's not a DVI-I cable, correct?

[05:50:26]

x86:

and DVI-D only

[05:50:27]

kormoc:

right

[05:50:39]

x86:

ok, so going from a video card to a TV, do I need analog also?

[05:50:45]

xris:

I refers to the four analog pins, not the 9 middle pins

[05:50:47]

x86:

or will a DVI-D cable be fine?

[05:50:56]

xris:

scroll down, look at the diagrams

[05:50:59]

x86:

k

[05:51:04]

kormoc:

depends on your tv

[05:52:19]

x86:

ok, according to the diagrams, the cable I have is a DVI-D (Single Link)

[05:54:08]

xris:

x86: more importantly.. have you tried it to make sure that it works?

[05:54:33]

x86:

xris: i dont have my video card yet, it's on it's way ;)

[05:54:41]

xris:

ah

[05:54:49]

x86:

xris: and i didn't want to fry my TV either ;)

[05:55:00]

x86:

will it be labeled on the DVI port on the TV?

[05:55:04]

x86:

perhaps i should check ;)

[05:56:14]

xris:

x86: just make sure the pins match. worst case is probably going to be that you got a cheap cable from walmart and you'll have signal interference

[05:57:13]

x86:

well the DVI-I cable at best buy was only $3 more ;)

[05:57:32]

kormoc:

that's what you get for going to walmart

[05:57:43]

x86:

i know

[05:57:48]

x86:

i hate walmart ;)

[05:57:52]

kormoc:

yet you shop there

[05:57:55]

x86:

my wife drug me there

[05:58:03]

x86:

i shop there _maybe_ twice a year ;)

[05:58:27]

Milosch:

ChannelBase: Could not find input: S-Video 1 on card when setting channel 57

[05:58:31]

Milosch:

ugh

[05:58:36]

x86:

milo!

[05:58:40]

Milosch:

hey there

[05:58:45]

x86:

Milosch: you're a myth-er? :)

[05:58:56]

Milosch:

for the last couple of months

[05:59:09]

x86:

cool :)

[05:59:16]

x86:

i'm just an aspiring myth-er hehe

[05:59:24]

Milosch:

i don't have channel 57 set to be anyone's start channel...

[06:01:02]

Milosch:

no startchan set to 57 in cardinput table...

[06:07:35]

Milosch:

x86: having a strange problem with channel guide here

[06:07:57]

x86:

Milosch: dont ask me i haven't even attempted anything with Myth yet ;)

[06:08:03]

x86:

Milosch: my hardware is all on the way

[06:08:16]

x86:

xris: ok, just checked my TV

[06:08:31]

vegeat:

i got mythstreamtv to work but i get no audio on the stream

[06:08:33]

vegeat:

can anyone help?

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x86:

xris: it's got a DVI-D connector, but it appears to be dual-link

[06:08:39]

kormoc:

Milosch, are you sure you want to capture from svideo?

[06:08:49]

x86:

xris: will my single-link DVI-D cable work ok?

[06:09:49]

xris:

x86: doesn't mean that dual link is required (or even enabled), just that it might work better.

[06:09:58]

xris:

personally, I'd get a better cable

[06:10:12]

x86:

ok, i'll spend the extra $3 and get the best buy cable

[06:10:22]

x86:

this is a philips brand cable though

[06:10:39]

x86:

not a good brand?

[06:10:39]

Milosch:

kormoc: this particular input is not even setup

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xris:

x86: or you could wait until the video card shows up and test it.

[06:10:50]

Milosch:

kormoc: but, yeah, i have another svideo for the cable box

[06:10:59]

kormoc:

Milosch, then perhaps you should set it up before attemping to use it

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x86:

xris: i think that's the best idea :)

[06:11:09]

x86:

xris: it wont blow my TV up eh?

[06:11:19]

Milosch:

i am not attempting to use it, something is buggered in the db

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x86:

xris: 1280x720 is the resolution i should run at, but what refresh rate and all that jazz?

[06:11:37]

xris:

x86: I offer no guarantees. but it should be fine

[06:11:46]

xris:

x86: that's up to the tv

[06:11:57]

x86:

xris: hmm

[06:12:10]

x86:

so i need to get the model number and do some research i suppose ;)

[06:12:32]

Milosch:

thing is, i have no cards set to start on channel 57, yet i get this backend error on every start

[06:13:21]

Milosch:

and i suspect it is related to my guide jumping to channel 1

[06:13:57]

xris:

x86: or wait for the video card and let X do the detecting.

[06:15:18]

x86:

xris: isn't that dangerous?

[06:15:24]

x86:

xris: this TV is like my child man :)

[06:15:38]

xris:

x86: it's just a big monitor

[06:15:45]

Milosch:

so, the only answer is to delete and recreate all sources, etc.

[06:15:52]

x86:

xris: it's projection though, if that matters

[06:16:01]

x86:

xris: not LCD, not plasma...

[06:16:16]

xris:

x86: projector or rear-projection? both of those can be crt or lcd.

[06:16:29]

x86:

this is CRT

[06:16:32]

x86:

rear-projection

[06:16:33]

xris:

well, maybe not crt in a projector.

[06:16:41]

x86:

it's not LCD anyway ;)

[06:16:48]

xris:

x86: doesn't matter. it's just a big monitor to the dvi protocol

[06:16:54]

x86:

cool

[06:17:20]

x86:

where's a good place to find specs (not marketing crap) for what resolutions and sync rates I need?

[06:17:58]

kormoc:

your manual

[06:18:29]

x86:

god only knows where that is :)

[06:18:33]

x86:

no where online eh?

[06:18:58]

kormoc:

you know, we don't know what tv you have, so how can we tell you the specs on your tv?

[06:19:12]

xris:

x86: manual might be online.

[06:19:15]

x86:

kormoc: i didnt ask for the specs, i asked where to find them :)

[06:19:24]

x86:

kormoc: because google is yielding all marketing crap

[06:19:27]

kormoc:

x86, you have google, just like us

[06:19:41]

x86:

kormoc: please stop talking now

[06:19:55]

** kormoc laughs **

[06:20:10]

kormoc:

x86, you know, it's one thing to ask questions, but most of the stuff you ask can be found on your own

[06:20:30]

defaultro:

hey everyone

[06:20:30]

Milosch:

not the friendliest channel here, x86

[06:20:41]

x86:

kormoc: did you miss the part about how i'm trying google and not getting a fucking thing?

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defaultro:

i see that x86 is using a CRT RPTV

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** kormoc laughs **

[06:20:52]

Milosch:

mostly people don't say anything to you until it's time for the insults

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defaultro:

so do I

[06:21:06]

defaultro:

am afraid that CRT RPTV does not support 720

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kormoc:

x86, so? you have the manual, you can spend some time at it

[06:21:16]

Milosch:

the same ones who are unable to help yet will not shut up

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x86:

kormoc: I DO NOT HAVE THE MANUAL!

[06:21:45]

x86:

00:17 <+kormoc> your manual

[06:21:45]

x86:

00:18 < x86> god only knows where that is :)

[06:21:46]

x86:

00:18 < x86> no where online eh?

[06:21:48]

x86:

READ

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kormoc:

Milosch, you see, it doesn't help that the first night he came in here, he claimed to be quite good at linux but then couldn't setup anything and wouldn't read the docs.

[06:21:59]

kormoc:

x86, did you *search* online for your manual?

[06:22:05]

x86:

kormoc: yes!

[06:22:15]

Milosch:

kormoc: so forever be damned i guess

[06:22:15]

kormoc:

x86, what tv model is it?

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alsoconfused:

Milosch: did you find your mysterious 57?

[06:22:19]

Milosch:

shit happens

[06:22:23]

x86:

Sony KP-51WS510

[06:22:27]

Milosch:

alsoconfused: no

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kormoc:

Milosch, well christ, the guy who was one of the 'gentoo 5' should know better....

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vegeat:

trancoded files dont work in mythstreamtv?

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Milosch:

know better than to expect help or silence

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alsoconfused:

here's a sledgehammer. hopefully 57 won't show up a million times: echo 'select from settings;select from channel;select from cardinput;select from capturecard;'| mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg | less -p 57

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x86:

kormoc: you're a moron

[06:23:30]

Milosch:

at least he's not pasting the same crap over and over

[06:23:37]

Milosch:

have a little discretion

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kormoc:

x86, feel free to leave if you want.

[06:24:14]

x86:

kormoc: ignore works better :)

[06:24:14]

Milosch:

right, it's not a support channel i guess

[06:24:20]

kormoc:

x86, might want to read this: http://discuss.extremetech.com/forums/780102001/ShowPost.aspx

[06:24:40]

kormoc:

Milosch, I googled just like he claimed to, yet I find the same results, why can't he google?

[06:24:59]

kormoc:

Milosch, he asked about DVI cables, a 10 second google could have answered him, but rather he didn't want to bother

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x86:

I DID GOOGLE

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x86:

GOD DAMMIT YOU FUCKING MORON

[06:25:07]

kormoc:

Milosch, just take some time and it's all fine

[06:25:16]

kormoc:

x86, stop swearing

[06:25:28]

x86:

kormoc: fuck your mom violently in the rectum

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Milosch:

kormoc: yes, and now we have all this mess, you could have left it alone and been done. it will never be like you want it

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boo2:

fuck you bitch

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Milosch:

see, none of that was necessary

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boo2:

right

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Milosch:

you wasted everyone's time pushing buttons

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defaultro:

who was that kid? LOL

[06:28:15]

Milosch:

just some guy who came in expecting friendly chat and got hammered

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** kormoc shrugs **

[06:28:26]

Milosch:

yes, he lost control

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kormoc:

Milosch, it's been days of him belittling us and doing this crap

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defaultro:

oh

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Milosch:

could be you next

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defaultro:

i'll read the log later

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goAway:

stop banning me bitch

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goAway:

i got all night ;)

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kormoc:

goAway, then stop it

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goAway:

stop being a troll fucker

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gardengnome:

stop it now. i'm gonna be late for school because it's amusing.

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gardengnome:

;)

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gardengnome:

i'd suggest that you just set +i for the rest of the night. ;)

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kormoc:

heh

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defaultro:

is it possible to do a 3-octet ban?

[06:29:47]

kormoc:

yeah, it is

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kormoc:

could even ban *!*@*, which is rather amusing at times :P

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Milosch:

this channel is entirely too silly

[06:30:56]

** kormoc shrugs **

[06:31:10]

Milosch:

i think it wants to be

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kormoc:

I have nothing against him personally, but really, when he makes wild claims about his skills and how ours are lacking and then can't figure out simple things and then goes off

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** kormoc shrugs **

[06:33:17]

Milosch:

i don't buy any of that

[06:33:26]

Milosch:

the typed word is easy to misinterpret

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kormoc:

I'll find it in the offical channel logs

[06:34:19]

Milosch:

this channel has at least two too many trolls, which sucks because it could actually be for support

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kormoc:

!notice

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MythLogBot:

This channel (#mythtv-users) is logged — http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1

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kormoc:

Milosch, we do provide support, you know what your problem is, which is why you didn't get any help

[06:36:51]

Milosch:

heh

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kormoc:

http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2007-01-07

[06:36:52]

Milosch:

that was not my point ;)

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kormoc:

[07:23:33] x86: yeah, i know... i'm one of the original 5 guys that started the gentoo project ;)

[06:36:58]

kormoc:

just search though the logs if you really care

[06:37:05]

kormoc:

he's gone off a few other times

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Milosch:

so maybe he was? who cares anyway

[06:37:13]

Milosch:

note the smiley

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kormoc:

just saying, it's not an isolated case

[06:37:20]

anxt:

weird

[06:37:32]

anxt:

i think people who are volatile on irc are funny

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xris:

kormoc: even better, near the top: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2007 . . . -01-07:07:30

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anxt:

i think they feel inadequate, but can be big behind the "anonymity"

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Milosch:

looks to me like everyone was a little frisky, i.e. how dare he claim there's a problem

[06:40:31]

Milosch:

he also stated he wasn't blaming you

[06:40:36]

kormoc:

Milosch, hey, if you don't like the channel, feel free to go else where, there's forums and mailing lists

[06:41:25]

Milosch:

sounds about right, but there are a couple of people in here i like

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** kormoc shrugs **

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anxt:

oh my gosh

[06:41:40]

kormoc:

I only banned him after he made it personal

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anxt:

like junior high

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Milosch:

only a couple, but that's normal

[06:41:52]

Milosch:

anxt: yes, like jr high

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anxt:

irc never fails

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Milosch:

some things you never outgrow

[06:42:02]

anxt:

:)

[06:42:13]

Milosch:

and irc is the perfect place to fully experience that ;)

[06:43:02]

anxt:

heh

[06:43:23]

anxt:

i totally freaked on someone in PM about 3 months ago

[06:43:28]

anxt:

i lost it, i went mental

[06:43:34]

anxt:

lol

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Milosch:

i've been there years ago and pretty much try to find another way these days

[06:44:04]

anxt:

welkl that is largely out of charqacter for me

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anxt:

but once in a while something goes sideways in my brane

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anxt:

vncserver -geomtery 1024x768 :28

[06:45:34]

anxt:

like sometimes i think irc is my shell lol

[06:45:44]

anxt:

like now

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anxt:

su

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anxt:

e5T&y98i1

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Milosch:

sweet

[06:46:01]

anxt:

oh crap

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xris:

heh

[06:46:19]

anxt:

teehee

[06:46:27]

anxt:

sometimes i like to rig the results

[06:46:38]

anxt:

and give them an i feel luck page

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kormoc:

heh, I had it and was about to give it to him before he went off

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Milosch:

kormoc: that's more like it :)

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vegeat:

im having problems compiling ffmpeg

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Dagmar:

That would be normal.

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anxt:

ffmpeg is a sadly fragile beast

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vegeat:

im getting an array typehas incomplete element

[06:47:21]

Dagmar:

Now *there* a nice way of putting it

[06:47:22]

Milosch:

kormoc: you have to admit, if you're watching, that there is a lot of baiting going on in here

[06:47:31]

vegeat:

i need to get ffmpeg going so i can strea

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vegeat:

m

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kormoc:

Milosch, I honestly have no problem with him, I just wish he would try before asking or at least say before hand that he tried x and y or what not.

[06:47:50]

kormoc:

Milosch, ooh, there is at times, for sure

[06:48:14]

Milosch:

some fracker went off on me talking about STB systems and USR

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xris:

kormoc: what'd you search for to find that manual?

[06:48:37]

Milosch:

non-sequitor something

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vegeat:

really?

[06:49:05]

vegeat:

http://www.pastebin.ca/318185

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vegeat:

thats the error im getting

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kormoc:

xris, sony KP51WS510.pdf

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Milosch:

kormoc: i've been seeing x86 on here for years, maybe 7, excrement occurs

[06:49:45]

kormoc:

xris, which is the style sony always uses

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xris:

kormoc: ahh. not something I'd have gone for.

[06:49:51]

Milosch:

never saw anything like this

[06:50:25]

kormoc:

xris, yeah, granted it's a little strange if you don't know sony, but they're rather typical about it

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Dagmar:

vegeat: Here's a good question... what are you planning on using FFMpeg with?

[06:51:05]

Dagmar:

...because this is not going to be all that simple to fix, so very likely you should be working on making a version you're going to *use* work

[06:51:36]

vegeat:

mythstreamtv?

[06:51:42]

vegeat:

i got it to work

[06:51:47]

vegeat:

but the audio is not working right

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vegeat:

so i dont know its ffmpeg or vlc i need to recompile

[06:52:56]

Milosch:

kormoc: KP51WS510.pdf sony <-- no results, weird huh

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

I get around 6

[06:53:15]

kormoc:

one of which was a redirect to the pdf

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Dagmar:

vegeat: read down from where you see "common.h:67: error: array type has incomplete element type" appear. There's basically a couple of words to delete

[06:53:24]

Milosch:

no, turn it around

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Milosch:

google weirdness

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kormoc:

oh, heh, strange

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kormoc:

actually

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vegeat:

i pasted teh whole thing to you Dagmar

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kormoc:

Results 1 – 6 of about 7 for KP51WS510.pdf sony. (0.41 seconds)

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kormoc:

I lost the pdf link by switching them around

[06:54:08]

kormoc:

but got the others

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Milosch:

must be another server...

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Milosch:

google is wacky

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kormoc:

yeah

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Dagmar:

vegeat: hopefulyl you're not using gcc4

[06:54:43]

vegeat:

i am

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vegeat:

:(

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Dagmar:

vegeat: Then I strong suggest you see if your distro has an ffmpeg package already made

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Dagmar:

s/strong/strongly/;

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Milosch:

dunno, i'm sure a lot of us have been online and with linux for 10–12 years and still learn something new every day

[06:55:33]

vegeat:

i always run in to problems with gcc4

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Dagmar:

vegeat: This is because every new version of gcc is stricter about things that technically result in "vague" code

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vegeat:

can i just install gcc3?

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Dagmar:

vegeat: ...so every time, authors who've been sloppy in some impossibly obscure way that no sane human would notice get called on it by gcc.

[06:57:08]

Dagmar:

Mixing and matching which compiler you use for things is a bad idea

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Dagmar:

Just read the freakin' IRC log where it tells what little needs to be deleted or look for an ffmpeg package from your distro

[06:57:24]

vegeat:

IRC log

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Dagmar:

Yes, the URL I Googled for you and pasted to this channel not five minutes ago.

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vegeat:

ohh

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vegeat:

lol

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Milosch:

but the releases are good, i think i used all of them over the last couple of months jumping kernels

[07:04:39]

Dagmar:

Man I don't *touch* SVN of kernelspace drivers unless I'm desperate

[07:04:47]

Dagmar:

Too much explody-explody there

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Milosch:

it's a fun ride, man

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Dagmar:

I don't find watching fsck to be fun

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kormoc:

ahh, svn ebuilds of mythtv, mythvideo and soon myth-themes

[07:06:07]

Dagmar:

...not until I can get a 500Gb drive so I can start doing backups again

[07:06:41]

Milosch:

the fscks are not that bad anymore with relatively current hardware and ext3

[07:07:11]

vegeat:

dang ffmpeg!!

[07:07:20]

vegeat:

stupid gcc4 too

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Dagmar:

Those are the words of a man who's always had his filesystem successfully recovered

[07:07:25]

vegeat:

that thing dicked me over again

[07:07:34]

Milosch:

well, almost always

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Dagmar:

vegeat: I'm going to say this again then, and hopefully it won't be ignored. *Look for an ffmpeg package made by/for your distro*

[07:07:55]

Milosch:

i spent a couple of lonely nights at the datacenter holding down the enter key

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Dagmar:

Milosch: I've had the electric company screwing around cost me my /var on the workstation I was *using*

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Milosch:

yuck

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vegeat:

i did

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vegeat:

everything works but audio

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vegeat:

and i read that i need to recompile vlc player to stream the audio

[07:11:19]

vegeat:

but to do that i need to have compiled ffmpeg specicially

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Dagmar:

So I suggest you find out how your distro built their package and follow what they did

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Dagmar:

Or, and this is probably a better solution, report the problem to them and let them fix it if they're going to.

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Dagmar:

s/, /--/;

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Dagmar:

They can't fix what they don't know is broken

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Dagmar:

*Seldom* is anyone's ffmpeg package built without *some* patches of some kind being applied.

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Milosch:

alsoconfused: btw, that turned up nothing except from channels, and 57 is valid just not a startchan

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defaultro:

is this normal with mythvideo, it creates 2 instance of mplayer when it's called?

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kormoc:

two process instances or two video windows?

[07:50:56]

defaultro:

2 process

[07:51:01]

defaultro:

it's really weird

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kormoc:

same pid?

[07:51:12]

defaultro:

different

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defaultro:

i played my other 1080p trailer, it's just one instance

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defaultro:

in mythvideo

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kormoc:

strange

[07:51:45]

defaultro:

but when i play the mythtv 1920x1080 recording, it's creates 2 instance

[07:51:54]

defaultro:

i even created this

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defaultro:

MPLAYER=`ps ax|grep mplayer |grep -v grep|grep -v mplayer.sh`

[07:52:08]

defaultro:

if [ "$MPLAYER" = "" ]; then

[07:52:08]

defaultro:

/usr/local/bin/mplayer -fs -vo xv -vf pp=lb -monitoraspect "3200:1200" -autosync 30 -framedrop -cache 32767 $1

[07:52:08]

defaultro:

fi

[07:52:15]

defaultro:

it still creates 2

[07:52:20]

defaultro:

very strange

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defaultro:

i already restarted mythbackend and frontend, still the same

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defaultro:

I'll rename the filename :)

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defaultro:

trying now with filename NFL.mpg

[07:55:41]

defaultro:

this is what happens, it's really weird

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alsoconfused:

defaultro: afaik, mplayer always creates 2 procs on video files

[07:55:42]

defaultro:

6608 ? R 0:16 /usr/local/bin/mplayer -fs -vo xv -vf pp=lb -monitoraspect 3200:1200 -autosync 30 -framedrop -cache 32767 /video/trailers/NFL.mpg

[07:55:42]

defaultro:

6609 ? S 0:00 /usr/local/bin/mplayer -fs -vo xv -vf pp=lb -monitoraspect 3200:1200 -autosync 30 -framedrop -cache 32767 /video/trailers/NFL.mpg

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Dagmar:

Those are threads.

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defaultro:

hmmm, how come, it only creates 1 instance on .mov on my 1080p H264 files?

[07:56:26]

defaultro:

they are

[07:56:36]

defaultro:

but problem is, the video is delayed

[07:57:21]

defaultro:

anymore ideas?

[07:58:22]

defaultro:

and mplayer is eating up 85%

[07:58:31]

vegeat:

man the imdb thing in mythtv is awesome

[07:58:33]

defaultro:

I'm going to run the same command but one instance

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Milosch:

alsoconfused: channel 57, no idea on the number, but i had one card set to S-Video 1 as the default input, as soon as I changed that back to Tuner 1 it's happy

[07:58:54]

defaultro:

so if cpu is 85%, then alsoconfused, you are correct

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vegeat:

does the imdb script work for tv show episodes?

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alsoconfused:

Milosch: weird. i would have understood if it was 42, but 57....

[08:00:15]

defaultro:

you are correct alsoconfused

[08:00:23]

defaultro:

why does mplayer do that?

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Milosch:

yeah, i was looking at that in hex too

[08:00:45]

Milosch:

but that's because it's 2am

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defaultro:

but still wondering when playing the .mov file, it only creates 1 instance

[08:01:33]

defaultro:

ah, I noticed something

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defaultro:

when I just do mplayer NFL.mpg, it only creates 1 instance

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defaultro:

so something in my param makes it 2

[08:02:11]

defaultro:

it could be the deinterlace option

[08:02:36]

Dagmar:

No wait, it's clearly being used to send porn spam

[08:02:38]

defaultro:

nope

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defaultro:

hehehe

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Dagmar:

It couldn't possibly be threading.

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ethernalq_:

when I run mythtvsetup I just get this...

[08:02:55]

ethernalq_:

2007-01–15 12:59:39.951 Using the Qt painter

[08:02:56]

ethernalq_:

Segmentation fault

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ethernalq_:

Any ideas?

[08:03:14]

defaultro:

ache

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Dagmar:

ethernalq_: Find the guy who built those binaries and slap him around until he fixes them

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defaultro:

Ahhhhh

[08:03:26]

defaultro:

the -cache 32767 makes the second instance

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defaultro:

freak! :)

[08:03:31]

ethernalq_:

Dagmar: what binaries?

[08:03:41]

ethernalq_:

the mythtv*

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Dagmar:

ethernalq_: Congratulations. You've just officially breached the lower threshold.

[08:04:01]

ethernalq_:

Qt?

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defaultro:

YES, confirmed that -cache makes 2 instance

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alsoconfused:

defaultro: yeah, same here.

[08:04:59]

alsoconfused:

does it play better with -nocache?

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defaultro:

i haven't tried

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defaultro:

what does that do?

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defaultro:

here is the issue

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alsoconfused:

defaultro: it turns off the cache ;-P

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Dagmar:

You know, pretty much everyone else uses XvMC to accellerate that

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defaultro:

xvmc in mplayer?

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Dagmar:

No, XvMC in myth's internal player. Hint hint.

[08:07:23]

defaultro:

i don't use xvmc in myth but it's awesome

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defaultro:

i said that i only get delay in mplayer

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defaultro:

video delay i mean in mplayer but not mythtv

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defaultro:

and the -autosync 30 option in mplayer syncs the video/audio in 1 to 2 secs

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gberardi:

I have two capture cards of the same type, but only one is getting detected correctly. The other one shows up as UNKNOWN DEVICE, even when I do lspci -v. I have two Avermedia AverTV Go 007 FM cards. Any ideas as to why one is detected fine but the other isn't?

[08:12:08]

vegeat:

Dang too bad you cant add categories for MythVideo on Mytheb

[08:14:38]

vegeat:

hey, how can you tell if a show has been transcoded?

[08:14:46]

anxt:

gberardi: try juggling pci slots?

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defaultro:

how do I hack the internal player so that when I play the video on a 3200x1080 virtual screen, it displays it in the middle?

[08:14:51]

anxt:

it might help

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defaultro:

it displays it at 0,0

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anxt:

i have had pvr that were bitchy

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anxt:

oh i have that for an xterm

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anxt:

wait a min

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anxt:

defaultro:

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gberardi:

anxt: Well, I have a mini-ATX board, and so only two PCI slots. Do you think that switching the cards around might do the trick?

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anxt:

gberardi: doubtful but you never know

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defaultro:

what is that for?

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anxt:

i found fucking with pci latency helped before for me

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anxt:

defaultro: nm it is of no help to you

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defaultro:

:P

[08:17:07]

anxt:

i am partially drunk

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gberardi:

anxt: I am tempted to just send these cards back, get a Hauppauge 350 or something like it, and then get a sound card (since Nvidia nforce doesn't seem to be supported on 64-bit, at least not that I can find) B-(

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anxt:

i tell you

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anxt:

the hauppauge cardsa are just love

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anxt:

i have been really pleased

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anxt:

gberardi: i have a revolution 7.1 i could sell you lol

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gberardi:

Ah what?

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anxt:

my experience with 350 was i had a HARD time with tv out

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anxt:

that was more than a year ago though

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Zider:

gberardi: isn't nforce supported by the hda-intel driver?

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anxt:

i am really a fan of the ice-1712, if that costs too much ice-1724

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gberardi:

Zider: Oh? This I didn't read anywhere, but I am going to look for info about it right now

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anxt:

the sound is stellar

[08:19:16]

Zider:

ah no, that was intel8x0

[08:19:25]

Zider:

gberardi: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.ph . . . vidia#matrix

[08:19:27]

gberardi:

If I can get sound tonight, then that's enough for me to go to sleep

[08:20:59]

vegeat:

hmmm

[08:21:04]

vegeat:

i get no sound now

[08:21:07]

vegeat:

out of mythtv

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anxt:

i use jack

[08:21:20]

anxt:

jack is the shit

[08:21:31]

Zider:

isn't that a sound server?

[08:21:39]

anxt:

yeah

[08:21:45]

Zider:

which in turn still uses alsa

[08:21:52]

anxt:

yes it does

[08:22:01]

Zider:

so what's the point? :P

[08:22:17]

anxt:

but i like it cause then my mp3 or such still sounds

[08:22:31]

Zider:

and with direct alsa it doesn't?

[08:22:32]

anxt:

Zider: you suggest dmix?

[08:22:47]

Zider:

oh you mean for mixing

[08:22:51]

Zider:

yes

[08:22:54]

anxt:

i often get humped by aoss

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kormoc:

some cards have hardware mixing support

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Zider:

I never recommend any kind of sound server

[08:23:03]

kormoc:

like sound blaster live 16 bits

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Zider:

anxt: so use alsa, not oss

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anxt:

Zider: i also record

[08:23:21]

anxt:

i don't use oss

[08:23:25]

anxt:

i use alsa

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Zider:

< anxt> i often get humped by aoss

[08:23:33]

Zider:

so something uses oss

[08:23:35]

anxt:

aoss != oss

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kormoc:

not everything is alsa updated

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Zider:

anxt: aoss is a wrapper for oss apps to use alsa

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anxt:

i haven't seen jack compliant firefox

[08:24:16]

anxt:

Zider: really? shit that is why they call it aoss

[08:24:25]

Zider:

well duh

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** anxt sees the light! **

[08:24:31]

Zider:

so aoss == oss

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Zider:

oss emulation to be exact

[08:25:01]

gberardi:

Gah, my eyes are hurting. I'm giving up for tonight.

[08:25:15]

anxt:

ok got any suggestion to make firefox connect to jack?

[08:25:21]

gberardi:

Thanks for your help

[08:25:23]

anxt:

aoss will work without jack

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Zider:

anxt: why not simply use alsa?

[08:25:46]

anxt:

cause alsa gets blocked by myth

[08:25:56]

Zider:

so use dmix

[08:26:06]

anxt:

isn't that what i said?

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vegeat:

hmmm

[08:26:11]

vegeat:

how cani get sound woring again

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vegeat:

it doesnt work

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Zider:

no you said jack

[08:26:14]

vegeat:

:(

[08:26:24]

anxt:

which is blocked IO

[08:26:42]

anxt:

then ardour is mute

[08:27:04]

Zider:

anxt: if you use all alsa apps and use dmix nothing gets blocked

[08:27:11]

Zider:

without jack

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anxt:

correct

[08:27:28]

anxt:

then ardour is humped

[08:27:29]

Zider:

so why go on with jack?

[08:27:35]

anxt:

i spose i could live with that

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Zider:

wtf is ardour?

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anxt:

ardour is recording app

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Zider:

that uses oss?

[08:27:53]

Zider:

or what?

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anxt:

no it uses jack

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kormoc:

this is exactly why hardware mixing rocks :P

[08:28:07]

Zider:

anxt: no alsa support?

[08:28:20]

anxt:

no i don't think so

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anxt:

i jsut don't wanna hafta stop myth to record a riff

[08:29:15]

anxt:

myth works with jack

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Zider:

but since jack uses alsa it should work at the same time anyhow.. if you hve duplex enabled that is.. :P

[08:30:35]

Zider:

it's just oss or crappy coded apps that blocks audio

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vegeat:

i must be on ignore or something

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vegeat:

lol

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anxt:

no i was smoking

[08:32:03]

anxt:

i tel you i haven't tested intel-hda reallt

[08:32:06]

anxt:

really

[08:32:17]

anxt:

but my ice1712 sounds GREAT

[08:32:36]

anxt:

it is miles ahead of the on board i had

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Zider:

so does my intel8x0

[08:33:03]

Zider:

anyhoo, back to the bloody dishes :P

[08:33:10]

Zider:

*gone*

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anxt:

somehow i think 8x0 doesn't even begin to be in the same league

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Zider:

anxt: it makes noise, it doesn't sound crap.. I'd say it's the same league :P

[08:33:48]

Zider:

*gone*

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anxt:

ok

[08:34:06]

anxt:

welcome to your opinion

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anxt:

but 8x0 isn't for recording

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vegeat:

how do i start jobs in the queue?

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juski:

vegeat: jobs only get processed within the limits you defined in mythtv-setup

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vegeat:

ahh

[08:42:29]

vegeat:

also , it says job: flag commercials

[08:42:37]

vegeat:

does that mean it will only flag commercials

[08:42:43]

vegeat:

and not transcode

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vegeat:

or is it justlisting the first thing it needs to do

[08:44:08]

juski:

what says 'job: flag commercials' ?

[08:44:21]

vegeat:

on my mythweb page

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vegeat:

backend status

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juski:

hover over the job – it'll show you

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Paladine:

I just thought of a nice feature for future mythtv

[08:45:45]

vegeat:

it just says,flag commercials

[08:45:51]

vegeat:

should it say, flag commercials, trancode?

[08:46:26]

Zider:

anxt: why isn't it?

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Paladine:

it would have to be optional, but I was thinking a database of what people are watching, which mythtv can then use to recommend programs that other people are watching who are also watching a lot of shows you are watching (which would indicate similar tastes in viewing habits)

[08:46:34]

juski:

I thought of a nice feature.. noob lockout

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Paladine:

that way we wouldn't miss some of the good shows we might not notice

[08:46:53]

juski:

Paladine: it's been discussed to death already. nobody wants to give up their privacy

[08:47:04]

Paladine:

nobody isn't true

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Paladine:

I wouldn't mind :p

[08:47:16]

Paladine:

hense why I said it wouldhave to be voluntary

[08:47:17]

juski:

also nobody wants to have their suggestion database hijacked

[08:47:56]

Zider:

I would mind letting the world know how much tv shopping I make ;)

[08:47:59]

juski:

the privacy issue is dealt with by the program being open source but by the same token it'd be easy to write an app to spam

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Paladine:

the database would be a central online database run by mythtv

[08:48:12]

Dagmar:

Those of us who like our privacy are willing to chop up those who don't into little pieces.

[08:48:17]

Dagmar:

That's the bit you should worry about.

[08:48:30]

Paladine:

dagmar, you wouldn't be effected

[08:48:35]

Paladine:

it would be optional during the setup

[08:48:48]

Dagmar:

Then code it

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juski:

google 'tv wish'

[08:48:55]

Paladine:

how many millions of subscribersdoes last.fm have?

[08:49:04]

juski:

how many losers are on last.fm?

[08:49:12]

Paladine:

that is irrespective

[08:49:18]

Paladine:

it is a huge site with a massive userbase

[08:49:21]

Dagmar:

last.fm streams their content

[08:49:22]

Zider:

what is last.fm?

[08:49:28]

Paladine:

so clearly the privacy issue is for the minority not the majority

[08:49:30]

Dagmar:

last.fm also has one central source

[08:49:37]

Paladine:

I know many professional geeks who are subbed to last.fm

[08:49:43]

Dagmar:

No, the privacy issue is always the majority.

[08:49:43]

juski:

last.fm is a way to tell the world you've been listening to Britney & JT non-stop for aeons

[08:49:59]

Dagmar:

last.fm is not easily lied to.

[08:50:06]

Paladine:

last.fm also provides recomendations based on your listening profile

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Paladine:

which is exactly what I am suggesting for mythtv

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Dagmar:

Good for them

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juski:

I'd be more concerned about companies spamming the database

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Dagmar:

Then write the plugin

[08:50:42]

Dagmar:

All that's necessary is for people to be able to upload their viewing data to get recommendations

[08:50:45]

juski:

you know what I'd suggest.. just keep on keeping on making the core functionality work better

[08:50:45]

Paladine:

juski, yeah that is understandable

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Dagmar:

Just you wait and see how long it takes some marketing exec to figure out he can tamper with his network's "ratings" by uploading thousands of phony profiles

[08:51:39]

Dagmar:

I'm saying, less than three months.

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juski:

we all know tivo does it, but tivo's a closed system, so they can afford to

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Dagmar:

Inside of six months, some other marketing firm will offer recommendation tainting as a service

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Zider:

we do?

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Zider:

I didn't know

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Dagmar:

TiVo is exceptionally hard to lie to

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juski:

Paladine: it's a very noble idea but I'm cynical enough to see how it wouldn't work

[08:52:46]

Dagmar:

I'm practical enough to know that it won't work.

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juski:

besides – don't we already record more than we watch anyway?

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Paladine:

no I watch everything I record

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Zider:

I don't record at all

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Zider:

the tv part of mythtv is totally unused

[08:53:55]

Zider:

..so far..

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Paladine:

do you watch livetv?

[08:54:12]

Zider:

nope

[08:54:21]

Zider:

not thru mythtv at least

[08:54:23]

Zider:

;)

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Dagmar:

He just uses MythVideo to cycle his porno randomly

[08:54:30]

anxt:

someone spoke my nick

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Paladine:

so you don't use mythtv then? you just use the plugins?

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juski:

I'd actually pay to have livetv removed from the code.. can i start a bounty for it? ;)

[08:54:33]

anxt:

i missed it

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anxt:

i was getting wsalad

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Zider:

Paladine: exactly

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Zider:

Dagmar: no porn in my home

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vegeat:

too bad there isnt a porn type imdb script

[08:55:02]

Dagmar:

suuuure

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vegeat:

that would be cool

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** Paladine hacks juski's bank account to keep LiveTV in the code **

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Paladine:

I use LiveTV a lot dude

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juski:

vegeat: yeah too bad you've not written it

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vegeat:

hehe

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Dagmar:

I think we'd be better off eliminating framegrabber support

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vegeat:

i would write it in perl too, but i dont know how i would integrate it in to myth

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juski:

on reflection, YES!

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juski:

vegeat: look at the existing imdb.pl script

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juski:

is it just me or has there been a massive spike in the number of people trying to install mythtv lately?

[08:57:31]

Zider:

actually, I don't miss any features in mythtv.. only decent hardware in my mythbox.. ;)

[08:57:50]

juski:

mythtvtalk.com gets checked by me every day to see new posts.. in under 12 hours, 3 days in a row there've been over 20 new posts

[08:58:13]

Paladine:

juski, because linux is becoming more widespread

[08:58:20]

juski:

ugh!

[08:58:23]

Paladine:

there has been a huge uptake of linux in the home over the last year

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juski:

fucking buntu

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Paladine:

it isn't so much because of any single linux distro

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Paladine:

more to do with people getting pissed off with drm

[08:58:57]

juski:

I doubt it

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Dagmar:

yep

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Paladine:

obviously distros like ubu make it easier for people to switch

[08:59:12]

Paladine:

but thats just coincidence

[08:59:15]

Dagmar:

Vista is going to do wonders for Linux

[08:59:22]

Paladine:

yup

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juski:

pity mytthv isn't easy to get worky on umbongo from packages then eh

[08:59:35]

Paladine:

I was reading an article in the press just yesterday about Vista doing wonders for Linux

[08:59:38]

Dagmar:

It also means we have to be ready to start telling those vast unwashed hordes to read or fuck off

[08:59:41]

juski:

"help! could not connect to database!!!"

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Dagmar:

All those people too cheap to spend the $140 for a Vista licence will be swarming us

[09:00:16]

juski:

until Vista's activation thing gets cracked

[09:00:19]

Paladine:

the thing is vista requires so much training to get people upto speed in a corporate environment, that is has now become viable for companies to switch to linux

[09:00:23]

juski:

then we'll be back to the norm again

[09:00:36]

Paladine:

the biggest reason for corporations not switching to linux desktops in the past has been reported as training

[09:00:55]

Paladine:

but the level of training now is in line with the level of training required to upgrade to vista

[09:00:57]

Dagmar:

Okay, the fact that people need "training" to be able to work Vista should be a warning that people are too stupid

[09:01:01]

Paladine:

according to official sources

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Paladine:

so more Linux users are appearing

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juski:

sometimes I wish I never had anything to do with linux.. I've become more bitter, twisted & utterly cynical since starting out and I resent it

[09:02:07]

Dagmar:

juski: Dude, honestly. It's not cynicism

[09:02:17]

Dagmar:

You're just learning what an IQ of only 100 means.

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Dagmar:

"Average" is actually pretty stupid and even more lazy

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juski:

heh. well I've certainly never been 'normal' if that's what you mean

[09:04:50]

juski:

to a lot of people I know, they just don't see what all the fuss is about 'free software'.. they get all the free software they want from newsgroups & torrents

[09:05:27]

Dagmar:

Yep

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Dagmar:

I'm hoping Vista will bring some of that to a halt

[09:05:53]

juski:

I hope ALL of it, but that's not quite realistic

[09:05:56]

Dagmar:

Warez used to actually mean something other than "I gots me one o' them cably modems"

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juski:

the people who while away their hours cracking licence keys aren't fooling anybody

[09:07:29]

juski:

anyway.. time to don my happy smiley face & do some work

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Dibblah:

I love it when an upgrade comes together.

[09:07:48]

Dibblah:

And doesn't just kill everything within a 20 meter radius.

[09:11:21]

Tuomaz:

kavorka^: mythfrontend loads the ip of the masterserver from the database

[09:11:48]

kavorka^:

so thats a yes then?

[09:12:10]

Tuomaz:

You set the database ip in mythfrontend

[09:12:14]

Tuomaz:

(not mythtv-setup=

[09:12:15]

Tuomaz:

)

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juski:

kavorka^: you probably need to change the mysql server settings & privileges too

[09:12:41]

juski:

mysql may not be set to run outside localhost for one thing

[09:12:53]

kavorka^:

well i updated my my.cnf file to bind the ip to its proper ip

[09:13:01]

Dagmar:

Since freaking when

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kavorka^:

but now i get hostX is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server

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kavorka^:

front the frontend

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juski:

check my.cnf & make sure it's bound to the 'external' ip address & that skip-networking is commented out (if there)

[09:13:26]

kavorka^:

from*

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juski:

kavorka^: that's a privileges issue then

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Dagmar:

The database IP address is stored in mysql.txt, which is NOT created by mythfrontend. It's created by mythtv-setup

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kavorka^:

ok lemme check juski

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Tuomaz:

Dagmar: then, waht does Mythfronend->settings->general-> 1 screen do?

[09:15:29]

Dagmar:

Tuomaz: Here's a challenge for you, smartass.

[09:15:43]

Dagmar:

Start a completely new install and get mythfrontend to run without ever having run mythtv-setup

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kavorka^:

well my frontend points to the ip of the backend

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Dagmar:

Good luck getting it to figure out where the database is so that it can find the rest of it's settings.

[09:16:32]

kavorka^:

and i dont have the skip-networking option in my.cnf file....so its the backend then that i need to reconfigure right?

[09:16:36]

Tuomaz:

Dagmar: i wil try, i delete my .mythtv, myabe your correct

[09:16:48]

Dagmar:

kavorka^: The "skip-networking" mentioned has nothing to do with your my.cnf file

[09:17:11]

Dagmar:

tuomaz Considering the hours I've put in to make a set of packages that set things up automatically, I know damn well I'm right

[09:17:23]

kavorka^:

Dagmar, is it mythtv-setup? and is it enabled by default?

[09:17:31]

Dagmar:

kavorka^: Is what

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kavorka^:

the 'skip-networking' option in the mythtv-setup menus

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Tuomaz:

Dagmar: either mythtv-setup or mythfrontend works if you remove the .mythtv folder (which stores the database settings)

[09:18:25]

** Dagmar pinches his eyes **

[09:18:32]

Dagmar:

Okay, monkey-boy. Believe what you like.

[09:18:41]

Dagmar:

It's not my job to correct the deluded

[09:18:50]

Dagmar:

...or at least, no one's paying me for it here.

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kavorka^:

ok gotcha...so i need to loosen the mysql security..thanks

[09:20:49]

Dagmar:

Just a *wee* bit

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Tuomaz:

Dagmar: excuse me if i upset you in some way, but my opion is till that the database-connection settings is stored in your ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt and that that file is written by mythfrontend (maybe also by mythtv-setup – dunno).

[09:21:11]

Dagmar:

By now youve probably read the obligatory warning about "don't do this with an sql database you're using for something that matters"

[09:21:27]

kavorka^:

so leaving the backend ip as 127.0.0.1 in mythv-setup is fine then?

[09:21:42]

kavorka^:

or do i need to chnage that as well to its proper ip?

[09:21:49]

Dagmar:

Tuomaz: The frontend isn't going to think anything's wrong until it tries to connect to a database it knows nothing about..

[09:21:59]

Dagmar:

Presenting you with the menu does not require it to talk to a database.

[09:22:37]

Dagmar:

kavorka^: You need to set it to whatever IP address is valid in the context of _what the machines wanting to connect to it will need to use_

[09:22:50]

Dagmar:

kavorka^: If all three parts run on the same machine, then 127.0.0.1 is fine

[09:23:02]

Tuomaz:

Dagmar: the frontend loads a bunch of settings when it starts (before the menu loads)

[09:23:26]

Dagmar:

Tuomaz: and where, pray tell, is it loading them from?

[09:23:52]

Tuomaz:

Dagmar: try it yourself (on a host that is not on the same machine as the backend)

[09:24:23]

Dagmar:

Dude, I've run the fucker with strace more times than I want to think about just because it was less painful than reading the source

[09:24:29]

Tuomaz:

Dagmar: it tries to load them from the default database (which is localhost mythconverg mythtv/mythtv)

[09:25:08]

Dagmar:

Personally, I don't think it should be doing that because it encourages people to continue blindly prodding pieces and not looking at the documentation

[09:25:35]

Dagmar:

Probably 90% of the problems in here stem from people refusing to even read the initial installation document

[09:26:36]

Dibblah:

Dagmar: And that's a programming problem.

[09:26:47]

Dibblah:

Well, actually, usability problem.

[09:27:12]

Dagmar:

Once the auto-discovery stuff works (not sure it even makes sense considering the dependencies that entails) some of these steps will go away

[09:27:24]

Dibblah:

There are no dependencies.

[09:27:30]

juski:

I don't honestly see what the problem is

[09:27:37]

Dibblah:

The backend is already a uPnP host.

[09:27:38]

Dagmar:

...but considering how bloody complex the whole thing is, people really do need to read the documentation, even if getting the basic pieces to not segfault and die is trivial

[09:27:50]

juski:

if users can't understand or be bothered to read the docs, it's their own fault

[09:27:56]

Dagmar:

Dibblah: Mysql doesn't exactly do uPnP

[09:27:59]

Dibblah:

juski: Heh :)

[09:28:05]

Dibblah:

Dagmar: It doesn't have to.

[09:28:14]

juski:

I was thinking about it on the way into work this morning

[09:28:22]

Dagmar:

Using the Avahi stuff would make sense, but python, avahi, mdns and a couple of other pieces make that kinda ugly

[09:28:34]

Dibblah:

Dagmar: Eh?

[09:28:42]

juski:

last year at the LW expo we had people coming up & saying "great product". I was thinking "what fucking product?!"

[09:28:56]

Dibblah:

Dagmar: Which part of uPnP is already there are you missing...?

[09:29:12]

Dagmar:

MySQL does uPnP now?

[09:29:41]

Dibblah:

Yes!

[09:30:07]

Dagmar:

If you say so

[09:30:11]

Dibblah:

The infrastructure is all there for the backend.

[09:30:27]

Dibblah:

Dagmar: You amaze me sometimes.

[09:30:38]

Dagmar:

You're the one trying to say mysql does upnp

[09:30:51]

Dibblah:

Berating the users for not reading the docs... Then not reading the docs.

[09:31:01]

Dibblah:

No, that's not what I'm trying to say.

[09:31:20]

Dagmar:

Then stop assuming I'm not reading the docs

[09:31:37]

Dibblah:

Heh. Like you do with everyone else, you mean?

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Dagmar:

I'm damn well aware that the frontend and the backend are almost able to talk to each other entirely over uPnP but that still does not resolve the problem of getting them to know where the database server is

[09:32:22]

Tuomaz:

Dibblah: or does it?

[09:32:44]

Dibblah:

With uPnP, the only thing you need to configure is the IP of the database server on the backend.

[09:32:56]

Dibblah:

The frontends find it automatically.

[09:32:56]

Dagmar:

No shit.

[09:33:15]

Dagmar:

So the frontend is at least getting that info from the backend now then

[09:33:21]

Dibblah:

Dagmar: And please read the documentation. The frontends do not use uPnP.

[09:33:32]

Dibblah:

No, it currently does not.

[09:33:41]

Dagmar:

Then read what I type

[09:33:51]

juski:

you could even do a scan of the local subnet

[09:33:52]

Dagmar:

"are almost able to talk to each other"

[09:34:05]

Dagmar:

juski: The avahi stuff avoids that by using mdns

[09:34:18]

Dagmar:

Apple at least had something decent going there

[09:34:31]

Dibblah:

Dagmar: Oh, ffs. That's part of uPnP and ALREADY THERE.

[09:34:59]

Dagmar:

Since when does uPnP scan the local subnet?

[09:35:20]

Dibblah:

I was replying to your comment. Sorry that wasn't obvious.

[09:35:35]

Dagmar:

So now you

[09:35:45]

Dibblah:

I believe juski was suggesting portscanning for mysql :)

[09:35:46]

Dagmar:

So now you're saying the frontend both does and does not use uPnP

[09:36:10]

Dibblah:

Okay. I see why you're getting confused.

[09:36:23]

Dagmar:

Yes, because you're saying two diametrically opposed things.

[09:36:43]

Dibblah:

I came into the conversation at " Dagmar: Once the auto-discovery stuff works"...

[09:36:46]

Dagmar:

You were kinda specific with "<Dibblah> Dagmar: And please read the documentation. The frontends do not use uPnP."

[09:36:59]

juski:

you could scan for active myth backends, then if the protocol supported it, find out what the db server is. but hey I don't care because I'm not incapable of a) reading docs and b) making inferences of my own

[09:37:03]

Dibblah:

And was discussing how the autoconfig stuff CAN work.

[09:37:19]

Dagmar:

Yes, I was referring to complete and total auto-discovery of *all* the parts, not just the partial stuff that's happening now

[09:37:35]

Dagmar:

juski: Can you do a nameservice lookup?

[09:37:48]

Dagmar:

Something like _mysql._tcp.local I think

[09:38:12]

Dibblah:

Dagmar: No, since mysql doesn't advertise itsself.

[09:38:27]

Dagmar:

Dibblah: Yeah, but with Avahi creating a service file is pretty trivial.

[09:38:43]

juski:

Dagmar: I don't run a name server at home anyway

[09:38:53]

Dagmar:

You don't have to with mdns. it's broadcast based

[09:39:03]

Dibblah:

What's the point in adding another service to your database server?

[09:39:13]

juski:

networking isn't something I feel the need to understand to just use

[09:39:29]

juski:

a lot like a kernel :)

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doc_:

hi there

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Dagmar:

Dibblah: Depends on which thing is easier... packaging an extra package or getting dumbasses to read documentation

[09:39:50]

Paladine:

getting there doc_

[09:39:50]

juski:

leave the dumbasses to their own demise

[09:39:53]

Dagmar:

Me, I'm putting my money on "packaging software"

[09:40:28]

Dibblah:

90% of the common usage works with defaults. That's the "everything on one server" approach.

[09:41:20]

Dibblah:

one machine, I mean.

[09:41:24]

Dagmar:

You might want to do some informal metrics and start scribbling down the apparent nature of each person's problem when they come in here looking for help

[09:41:46]

Dibblah:

Dagmar: Yeah. That's going to happen.

[09:41:57]

Dagmar:

I've got a few pages

[09:42:25]

Dagmar:

I used to log each and every thing people asked about in #Dropline until we'd eliminated most of the causes

[09:42:49]

Dagmar:

The majority of it is still from people who probably shouldn't be allowed to carry sharp objects tho

[09:44:14]

Dagmar:

It helps to figure out which thing should be polished first in order to silence the gibbering masses

[09:53:07]

Paladine:

can you use two inputs on the same pvr150 at the same time?

[09:53:34]

Paladine:

like if I have a stream on svideo in and a stream on coax, can they both be played simulataneously?

[09:54:46]

juski:

Paladine: no

[09:54:56]

Paladine:

shame

[09:55:03]

juski:

shame? it has one encoder

[09:55:10]

Paladine:

I could have sky+ified this box with the other multiroom connection upstairs

[09:55:28]

juski:

other pvr apps are available, ymmv etc etc etc

[09:56:02]

Paladine:

naaah I suspected it wouldn't work, hense why I asked, I will just get another pvr150 if I get a need for it

[09:56:33]

Paladine:

just a lot of shows starting this month that I watch, so I suspect some will overlap at some point

[09:56:49]

Paladine:

I am thinking the new CSI might overlap with SG1

[09:56:58]

Paladine:

SG1 is 8pm on tuesdays

[09:57:16]

Paladine:

new seasoons of CSI NY and CSI Vegas both start on a tuesday

[09:57:23]

Paladine:

hopefully they will be 9 and 10

[09:57:26]

Paladine:

and not 8 and 9

[09:58:27]

Paladine:

I will be putting another backend in the bedroom sometime this year anyway, so it won't be an issue then

[09:59:20]

Dibblah:

Paladine: You always have the option of shifting the Sky boxes to one location and just have one backend, then distribute the frontends only...

[09:59:31]

Dibblah:

Saves electricity :)

[09:59:40]

juski:

and space

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Paladine:

Dibblah, well we have 2 regular boxes and 1 sky plus

[09:59:48]

juski:

and cost

[09:59:54]

Paladine:

the sky+ will stay as sky+ no backend

[10:00:12]

Dibblah:

I have my boxes in the attic. The installer looked at me funny, but I got over it.

[10:00:17]

Paladine:

once we get an LCD TV in the bedroom I will shift that sky box downstairs and use one backend

[10:00:28]

Paladine:

but I don't like the resolution on tvout on a crt tv

[10:00:36]

Paladine:

so I will wait til we get the LCD in the bedroom

[10:01:21]

Paladine:

but yeah it would be nice to run everything from one backend with remote frontends

[10:01:28]

Paladine:

missus would never go for it in the lounge though

[10:01:34]

Paladine:

and it is pointless with having sky+

[10:02:01]

Paladine:

sky+ is the missus box, so I don't have to keep her crap on my systems :)

[10:02:13]

Dibblah:

Show her the advantages. Slideshows of baby photos on big screen, etc :)

[10:02:32]

Paladine:

I don't want my file storage filled with xena, 8 simple rules and all the other crap she watches

[10:02:36]

Dibblah:

I would say Mythmusic, but that's not really an advantage ;)

[10:02:52]

Paladine:

she already gets slideshows of the baby on the tv since we just upgraded to hdtv in the lounge

[10:03:12]

Paladine:

she has all the functions of myth without the tv parts on the lounge pc

[10:03:15]

Dibblah:

Paladine: Autoexpire / record new, expire old / allow only 5.

[10:03:45]

Paladine:

but I am happy to keep her tv recordings on the sky+ box :)

[10:03:48]

Dibblah:

And stick her recordings in a seperate group.

[10:03:57]

Dibblah:

That way you get an extra tuner :)

[10:04:21]

Paladine:

I willprobably swing her round eventually but I doubt it will be this year

[10:05:05]

Paladine:

Imight be able to pursuade her based on the upscaling capabilities of the PC

[10:05:15]

Paladine:

which would be slightly better than the upscaling on the tv

[10:05:27]

Paladine:

so she would get a better SD picture on the tv

[10:06:12]

Paladine:

anyone seen The Lost Room yet?

[10:06:17]

Paladine:

has it already aired in the US?

[10:06:25]

Dibblah:

Paladine: Unfortunately, that's probably not true.

[10:06:35]

Dibblah:

Default XV scaling is... Not good.

[10:06:43]

Paladine:

Dibblah, yeah it is, I already checked

[10:06:52]

Paladine:

the upscaling from the pc is better than the upscaling on the tv

[10:06:59]

Dibblah:

Interesting.

[10:07:07]

Dibblah:

Under X?

[10:07:15]

Paladine:

I watched a dvd from the pc then watched one from our scart connected dvd player

[10:07:25]

Paladine:

the picture was higher quality on the PC

[10:07:33]

Dibblah:

Using Windows?

[10:07:37]

Paladine:

no it was under windows

[10:07:44]

Paladine:

the box hasn't been setup yet

[10:07:46]

Dibblah:

Ah. Problem.

[10:07:50]

Paladine:

it will be edubuntu

[10:08:25]

Paladine:

don't forget I am using vga from the PC not tvout

[10:08:40]

Dibblah:

Assuming it's decent DVD software, it'll be using accellerated scaling that's not available in Linux.

[10:09:21]

Paladine:

graphics cards (or at least so I have been led to believe) have hardware upscaling on the DVI and VGA outputs

[10:09:28]

Paladine:

I could be wrong, but that is the impression I got

[10:09:58]

Dibblah:

Depends on the driver / DVD software.

[10:10:11]

Dibblah:

I'd seriously suggest trying it in Linux and seeing.

[10:10:20]

Paladine:

yeah I will see soon enough

[10:10:32]

Dibblah:

The quality difference in scaling is very obvious between Windows / Linux.

[10:10:34]

Paladine:

once I have edubuntu installed I will be installing mythfrontend

[10:10:37]

quicksilver:

greyfoxx is writing hardware upscaling for us though, nice chap that he is

[10:10:51]

quicksilver:

at least, I think it was greyfoxx

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Paladine:

so I can just check from my existing backend without having to fork out for a new tv card for testing

[10:11:23]

Paladine:

quicksilver, is that a confirmation that graphics card have hardware upscaling support?

[10:12:24]

Paladine:

itwouldbe fantastic if there was and it was included in myth

[10:12:30]

Dibblah:

quicksilver: _hardware_ or _software_? Last I saw discussed, it was software.

[10:12:43]

quicksilver:

Dibblah: it becomes a question of semantics

[10:12:49]

Dibblah:

Which is good, but requires quite a CPU.

[10:12:49]

quicksilver:

Dibblah: he was writing it in NV-microcode

[10:12:54]

Dibblah:

Ooooh.

[10:12:55]

quicksilver:

so it runs on the GPU

[10:13:02]

quicksilver:

most people would call that 'hardware'

[10:13:08]

quicksilver:

although clearly it's software really :)

[10:13:26]

Dibblah:

Damn. I found that site when he mentioned it.

[10:13:36]

quicksilver:

Paladine: modern graphics cards have specialised cpus which can do anything, in principle

[10:13:47]

quicksilver:

Paladine: and someone was writing some filtering code for them

[10:13:55]

quicksilver:

Paladine: however, it's not finished and it's not an easy project

[10:13:58]

Dibblah:

Didn't seem to be mentioning scaling yet, just deinterlacing + noise filtering.

[10:14:04]

quicksilver:

Dibblah: *nod*

[10:14:13]

Paladine:

quicksilver, still good news though :)

[10:14:15]

quicksilver:

Dibblah: he mentioned scaling as a possible future idea

[10:14:19]

Paladine:

brb have to get the missus and baern up

[10:14:23]

quicksilver:

Dibblah: or someone did, at least :)

[10:15:43]

Dibblah:

Aha, http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/gputrans/overview.php

[10:15:58]

quicksilver:

ah it was beirdo not greyfoxx then

[10:16:05]

quicksilver:

that's it, I'm clearly going senile

[10:16:07]

** quicksilver slaps himself **

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kambei:

Does anyone know a command to determine the aspect ratio of a video file?

[10:38:53]

anxt:

mplayer?

[10:39:08]

anxt:

if it looks 16:9 it is?

[10:39:59]

kambei:

Well, I'm looking for some kind of command that outputs that information. Mplayer outputs it to stdout, but I was hoping for a stand-alone command.

[10:41:46]

Dagmar:

Mplayer can be used as a CLI

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kambei:

Yes.

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kambei:

But I don't want to play the video, per se.

[10:42:04]

kambei:

I just want the information.

[10:44:20]

Dagmar:

Pay attention.

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rsdvd:

if you want to prgram something in perl – then use Video::Info from CPAN....it can tell you most things about a video file

[10:44:25]

Dagmar:

Mplayer can be used as a CLI tool.

[10:44:28]

Dagmar:

It doesn't have to play the video

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kambei:

rsdvd: That's probably what I need to do. Thanks.

[10:44:55]

Dagmar:

It can just emit technical details about the file and it can even do so in the format of key=value for handy importing into shell scripts

[10:45:15]

kambei:

Dagmar: Okay.

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kambei:

Thank you.

[10:45:45]

Dagmar:

I'm actually using it to auto-populate my MythVideo stuff a little bit more

[10:46:25]

kambei:

Dagmar: Can I trouble you for the arguments?

[10:47:06]

Dagmar:

I will tell you that it is -identify.

[10:47:28]

Dagmar:

For the rest you go to the man page because you're crossing into handholding territory

[10:48:19]

kambei:

Dagmar: That's all I needed. Thanks.

[10:49:56]

awilkins:

Dagmar: Thanks from me too, it gives me some ideas about the evil audio streams transcoding bug

[10:51:04]

zigovr3:

hi all, I am using mythtv with a mysql server setup for utf8 encoding, that causes sometimes problem because mythtv tables are latin1 encoded. I'd like to know if it is safe to set these tables to utf8 encoding ?

[10:51:07]

Dagmar:

awilkins: I feel your pain. Trying to identify what the heck is in a container is teh evil

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Dagmar:

zigovr3: Some things may break

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zigovr3:

Dagmar: could you explain me why ?

[10:53:10]

Dagmar:

Because latin1 is one byte per character and utf8 could be as many as three

[10:53:21]

Dagmar:

...meaning some of the fields may not be long enough.

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zigovr3:

ok, so it's a problem with the size of the fields only ?

[10:53:41]

Dagmar:

Google "mythtv mysql latin1"

[10:54:01]

Dagmar:

You say "only" like there's anything else it could be

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zigovr3:

I meant, it's the only problem it may cause ?

[10:54:26]

zigovr3:

or at least, known problem :)

[10:54:32]

Dagmar:

Google "mythtv mysql latin1"

[10:55:05]

zigovr3:

ok, then, if I keep latin1, obviously the code need a few fixes

[10:55:21]

zigovr3:

because it doesn't handle the situation where the mysql server is setup to utf8 by default

[10:56:05]

Dagmar:

Do your research instead of guessing.

[10:56:18]

Dagmar:

Specifically, the database is created as latin1

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zigovr3:

yes I realized that, I looked with google a bit already :)

[10:56:32]

Dagmar:

It's not a matter of "the situation" where the mysql server is setup for utf8

[10:56:43]

Dagmar:

It's a matter of mc.sql sets the bloody thing up as latin1

[10:57:17]

Dagmar:

They expect it to be latin1 because it's a database that uses fixed-length fields and utf8 does not use fixed-length characters

[10:57:46]

juski:

ffmpeg can be used to get info from a video too

[10:58:04]

Dagmar:

Might as well blame your PC for shorting out because it wasn't designed to handle the situation where the power plug was setup to be plugged into a 220V outlet, sideways.

[10:58:35]

zigovr3:

well , I'm fine with keeping these table as latin1

[10:58:36]

Dagmar:

"ALTER DATABASE mythconverg DEFAULT CHARACTER SET latin1;"

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zigovr3:

my tables are in latin1 encoding, I used mythtv's script to create them

[10:59:12]

Dagmar:

Well, at least you have the excuse that you might actually encounter latin1 guide data

[10:59:13]

zigovr3:

BUT, there are a few cases where mythtv report conflict in queries

[10:59:27]

Dagmar:

er utf8 guide data, rather

[10:59:40]

zigovr3:

because it tries to compare an utf8 string with a latin1 one

[10:59:48]

Dagmar:

Yes, which doesn't work.

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zigovr3:

so I believe there are missing conversion in mythtv code

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Dagmar:

Not inside MySQL anyway

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zigovr3:

I am willing to fix it, but I'd want to be sure I do it the correct way

[11:01:02]

Dagmar:

Charset conversion is probably Qt's responsibility anyway

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zigovr3:

the error I get happens for example in a query like "REPLACE INTO recordedprogram ... WHERE title=something"

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zigovr3:

what's going on is in this code that prepare a query, an MSqlQuery object, when it binds a value the translation should be automatic ?

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zigovr3:

I have another completely unrelated question, is it possible to prevent mythfrontend from changing dpms settings ?

[11:18:25]

zigovr3:

I mean an option ?

[11:18:42]

zigovr3:

I'd like to keep it off

[11:18:56]

zigovr3:

but apparently, when exiting from playing a video, it turns it on

[11:25:05]

juski:

if your DE has it enabled mythtv turns it off during playback. if it's disabled it does nothing IIRC

[11:25:35]

juski:

if your tv is a plasma or CRT I recommend you keep it enabled

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zigovr3:

it's strange , I deactivated dpms with the command "xset" right before launching the frontend

[11:32:13]

zigovr3:

ok, so I changed the following in mythdbcon : the function bindValues now check if the argument is a string, if it's the case, it forces a conversion to latin1

[11:32:46]

zigovr3:

apparently, it got rid of the query errors, but I'm not sure won't have any side effects

[11:33:48]

zigovr3:

I don't know if the Qt interface below was supposed to do the conversion itself, but apparently it wasn't doing it in my case

[11:35:37]

Dagmar:

Generally the *intelligent* thing to do is to not dork with what formats Myth uses

[11:36:06]

Dagmar:

If MySQL *knows* a field is in UTF8 and the query string is in latin1, it knows how to convert them

[11:36:22]

Dagmar:

If it's not specified, there's too many ways things can break

[11:37:12]

Dagmar:

Damn Hungary and their weak intertubes

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zigovr3:

well then why did I have queries errors ?

[11:38:28]

Dagmar:

"ways things can break"

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zigovr3:

but I don't understand why mysql is complaining in the first place, why can't it do the conversion itself since it knows what is the encoding of the query (utf8) and the one of the database

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juski:

you could drive a truck through my intertube

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Dagmar:

zigovr3: It doesn't do conversions

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Dagmar:

It knows what filter to use to *compare* two different charset-coded strings, but it does not convert the strings for you

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juski:

mm lunchy

[12:16:16]

juski:

oo thread bumper. *delete*

[12:25:41]

juski:

me! me! me! look at MY problem! bah

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crayzee:

Mythfrontend crashes my box

[12:27:24]

juski:

crayzee: care to provide any more information so that someone might be able to help?

[12:27:26]

crayzee:

It happens a way into watching a recording (off of DVB-T) sometimes. The system freezes, does not respond to even magic keys, and the audio that was playing loops

[12:28:26]

juski:

doesn't sound like it'd mythfrontend's fault

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Dagmar:

Like, quarter-second loops?

[12:28:34]

juski:

it's/it's

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crayzee:

Dagmar, about that I would guess

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Dagmar:

That's a hardware crash

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crayzee:

It only happens when using mythtv though

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Dagmar:

mythfrontend technically shouldn't be able to crash the machine like that unless it's being run as root

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crayzee:

[I guessed it was hardware]

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Dagmar:

crayzee: Might be an issue with PCI latency

[12:29:46]

crayzee:

Dagmar, thats what I thought, so I poked around and found there was no +s or anything on the binaries, and they run as "mythtv"

[12:29:53]

crayzee:

PCI latency, you say.

[12:30:01]

crayzee:

How would I be able to review this?

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Dagmar:

Mind you, my frontend crashes my machine with no problems at all, because I am running it as root. ;)

[12:30:08]

crayzee:

[I do have 5 pci cards...]

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juski:

could be dodgy video drivers too, xgl etc...

[12:30:20]

Dagmar:

You don't review it.

[12:30:29]

Dagmar:

You just punch up the latency setting on the disk controller

[12:30:48]

Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PCI_Latency

[12:30:56]

crayzee:

Ooo, handy

[12:31:26]

Dagmar:

Latency being set to a level the system can no longer keep up with causing the disk controller to get shortchanged can and *will* cause funxorlicious lockups

[12:31:50]

Dagmar:

People (like me) with a PVR-500 tend to run into the issue in a hurry

[12:31:55]

** crayzee goes reads webpage **

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imperfect-:

I've got 2 150's.

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juski:

hmm? 18mbps on the pci bus – wouldn't have seen that as any sort of challenge

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imperfect-:

I dont seem to get any problems.

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gardengnome:

mythfrontend doesn't necessarily have to be run as root. on ubuntu edgy, the default user is in the "audio" group which is sufficient to enable realtime capabilities, afaik

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: is this still aproblem if the hdd controller is on a diffferent pci bus?

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Dagmar:

gardengnome: I don't see how it could be

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juski:

more than one pci bus? eh?!

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: that#s what i thought. thanks.

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crayzee:

So... could it be latency of the USB bus that is causing my USB TV card to keep chucking out usb recv bulk errors?

[12:37:24]

gardengnome:

juski: there are internal pci busses in some chipsets.

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juski:

ah

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Dagmar:

crayzee: It could be

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juski:

god it's gonna take me all day to calm down from seeing that thread bumper

[12:38:05]

Dagmar:

crayzee: It could also be crazy IRQ sharing going on

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gardengnome:

although my nforce2 chipset is confusing me. i thought the hdd controller was a part of the southbridge with its own bus. lspci tells me it's a part of the normal pci bus "00", though :(

[12:38:56]

** gardengnome beers juski **

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crayzee:

Dagmar: how do I check for that?

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Dagmar:

crayzee: cat /proc/interrupts. I've got at least one board that makes very stupid decisions about what IRQ the USB controllers are on

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Dagmar:

Make sure the USB controller has it's own IRQ, and it's not sharing with say, the video card, your sound card, or your network card.

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Dagmar:

Anything that can "distract" the machine from handling the data coming in on the USB bus has the potential for keeping it from getting the entire data transfer correctly.

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Dagmar:

It's working okay as a frontend-only box now

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Dagmar:

Im kinda hoping the 1010 BIOS update will fix that, but I'm not holding my breath.

[12:53:31]

Dagmar:

The machine sat in storage for almost five years. I'm suprised I got it working again after only poking and prodding it for three hours (not including "quality time" spent working it over with a vacuum cleaner)

[12:53:51]

** Dagmar fondles his Alavert stash. **

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gardengnome:

heh

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Dagmar:

Dust allergies are hell if you're a hardware geek.

[12:54:41]

Dagmar:

The third day I got all that stuff back from storage, the dust triggered an allergy attack. Loverly swollen fingers and eyes that felt like roasted peanuts

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crayzee:

Dagmar, coincidence, my board is an A7V600.

[12:58:15]

crayzee:

Dagmar, it just causes asthma in me.

[12:58:40]

crayzee:

I have to clean for 5–10 minute, breathing as little as possible, and then mission it outside for a bit to recover.

[12:58:51]

crayzee:

My USB appears fine, however

[12:58:58]

crayzee:

201: 939902 IO-APIC-level CMI8738, bttv0, Bt87x audio, nvidia

[12:59:12]

crayzee:

soundcard, tvcard and graphics card all on 201... that cant be good?

[12:59:13]

gardengnome:

juski: take care if you're still going to do that apple-ish skin. http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/13/apple-bu . . . ggers-again/

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Dagmar:

crayzee: Those should actually be fine. IRQ's above 15 are software-driven anyway

[13:00:31]

Dagmar:

They *usually* handle sharing well enough

[13:00:53]

Dagmar:

It's the ones below 15 that will give you hateful issues when devices are exceptionally chatty or long-winded

[13:01:35]

crayzee:

0–15 have 1 or 0 devices each

[13:01:47]

Dagmar:

When you have the option, it's the ones that require the fastest response time to them raising an interrupt that should get the highest-numbered IRQs

[13:02:16]

Dagmar:

S'why so many serial ports are on 3–4, sound cards on 5, video cards on 9, and network cards on 11 with SCSI on 12 or 10

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crayzee:

highest as in biggest, e.g. 200, or as in highest up the list, e.g. 1

[13:02:39]

Dagmar:

"highest-numbered". I.e., large numbers

[13:02:48]

crayzee:

Good :)

[13:02:49]

Dagmar:

You don't really have to worry about the software-driven ones

[13:02:53]

crayzee:

That is the way it appears

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Dagmar:

Heh. Don't assign anything to IRQ 13, BWT

[13:05:28]

crayzee:

Why would I do that?! Its an unlucky number!

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Dagmar:

You might do that if you were hard-pressed to find an IRQ for something and didn't know it was already permanently assigned to the math processor stuff.

[13:07:13]

Dagmar:

Or if you just wanted to drive a newbie insane by deliberately misconfiguring his machine

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crayzee:

lol :)

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crayzee:

Thanks for your help, if you dont see me again in the next half an hour then either everything is fine, or I cant get on the net for some reason.... lol

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crayzee:

Later

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juski:

gardengnome: I don't do skins!

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juski:

might be wise to change the colour of the highlight 'glow' though ;)

[13:30:49]

juski:

and maybe everyone who copies apple's glassy button / icon look should be crucified too

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juski:

despite the fact that apple probably even nicked the idea from someone else for all I know

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tcpsyn_:

I dig that icon look :)

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gardengnome:

juski: i know you don't do skins, that's why i said that! because i don't want you to be sued!!!eleven

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gardengnome:

juski: heh, sorry, though. i'm horribly tired ;)

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quicksilver:

eleven!!!oneoneone

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juski:

well be damned I'm gonna go ahead anyway. what's the worst that can happen? first a cease & decist or do they go straight into lawsuit mode?

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gardengnome:

IANAL

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juski:

nor me.. or I'd be much more nasty

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** gardengnome shivers **

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quicksilver:

juski: they can't do anything other than C&D you

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crayzee:

Dagmar, everything seems good, thanks!

[13:40:20]

juski:

suddenly I remember apple trying to sue people over usage of icons that look similar to theirs before...

[13:41:02]

quicksilver:

well 'writing rude letters to' instead of 'trying to sue' I think

[13:41:12]

quicksilver:

but they certainly have their fair share of arses in the legal department

[13:41:24]

quicksilver:

more than their fair share, some people might suggest

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juski:

ironic that I ANAL is the opposite of what a lawyer actually is ;)

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juski:

bless them all, money sucking organisms. like hyenas, they can't help it

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quicksilver:

yes, what makes it ironic is that they probably actually believe what they are doing is the best for their company

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** gardengnome has got three lawyers in his family ;) **

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vivid:

Hello, Ive been using mythtv for a while, and I just reinstalled my system. Now when I try to watch Live TV, I get a full green screen with some static. TVTime and other programs aren't having this problem. Anyone know where I might look for a solution?

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tcpsyn_:

vivid, do you have the tuner set correctly in mythtv-setup? and NTSC/PAL?

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vivid:

it should be, but i guess i can check

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juski:

to hell with it.. don't think anything will come of it, but if it does I promise to be good

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gbee:

heh, just noticed my copy of blootube-osd still has comments at the time from isthmus/retro

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gbee:

s/time/top/

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juski:

not anymore it doesn't

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juski:

GPL.. borrow one & borrow all, no? ;)

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gbee:

:)

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juski:

wouldn't it be nice if it emerged today that the source for MCE had been leaked.. and mythtv code found in there

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gbee:

heh

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juski:

who ya gonna call? FSF!

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Dagmar:

By the way, Juski...

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Dagmar:

There's a new season of American Idol starting tonigt. (and I ma having hella latency issues on this ssh session)

[13:56:13]

Dagmar:

If you like it, you should probably keep quiet about it

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Dagmar:

It won't help your street cred.

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Dagmar:

srlsy

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gbee:

rofl

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Dagmar:

@#$@$

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Dagmar:

I have been sitting here trying to figure out why my new clock maintenance package wasn't working

[14:02:31]

Dagmar:

It helps if you actually invoke ntpdate instead of netdate

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gbee:

juski: currently applying #2518 – any theme wanting to use it will need to add a new textarea in the status container "extendedslidertext"

[14:03:23]

gbee:

just in case you were interested

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Dagmar:

Extendedslidertext?

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Dagmar:

Is this for like, marquee scrolling and stuff?

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gbee:

yeah – not pretty but I take no blame for the nomenclature, I invited people to suggest a better name but no-one responded

[14:05:42]

Dagmar:

There's an easy fix for that

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Dagmar:

Name the next one "Agnes"

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juski:

gbee: thanks for the headsup

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juski:

hang on how does that differ from what happens normally?

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gbee:

the 'time remaining' stuff isn't shown

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juski:

heh. can't say I'd ever noticed

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gbee:

looking at it now, it feels like it's slways been there

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juski:

and what happens if a theme includes it but the user isn't running a version with that in?

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gbee:

lets find out ...

[14:08:07]

** gbee reverts the changes **

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juski:

ah and it reminds me of a question I have about the OSD.. on my epia frontend the transparency isn't transparent.. what's all that about?

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juski:

is that to do with the qt fill method?

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gbee:

err, not a clue

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juski:

the drop shadows in my osd theme are all solid black on my epia

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juski:

still looks ok though.. jus not what I intended

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gbee:

hmm, sounds a lot like the QT vs OpenGL differences with the main themes

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gbee:

osd is different of course, but I really don't know enough about it

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juski:

I never figured out what the qt fill method thing was all about & keep forgetting to ask

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juski:

never makes an obvious difference to me

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gbee:

isaac would be the person to ask about the main painters, Daniel about the osd

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juski:

can't even remember where the settings I'm talking about live now

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gbee:

never wanted the headache of trying to understand the osd drawing code

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juski:

heh

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juski:

maybe it's to do with the chromakey hack

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GreyFoxx:

I think it is

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GreyFoxx:

no transparency when using Chromakey

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juski:

heh. I'll have to do a special version of my OSD then

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juski:

not for public consumption though

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juski:

can't be arsed with that

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

I have lots of patches and stuff like that :)

[14:17:57]

GreyFoxx:

the "works for me" stuff :)

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gbee:

juski: well unlike some theme related stuff, it cause any problems (i.e. crashing) so it's safe for 0.20 users

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cyanid3:

I'm having some problems getting audio and video on my mythtv box, here's the output of mythtv -v all(http://pastebin.ca/318389). I'm not a pro at mythtv, but to me it looks like it's working fairly well...

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cyanid3:

except for the fact that it doesn't output anything...

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defaultro:

when we apply the cutlist, does transcode downscale the quality?

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gbee:

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/116/behindox1.png

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gbee:

defaultro: depends on what sort of transcode you are doing

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jharrisonwk:

would mythtv work with IPTV?

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gbee:

the mpeg2 to mpeg2 transcode is supposed to be lossless

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GreyFoxx:

jharrisonwk: There is some support for it, much more complete in SVN though I can't say how complete

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defaultro:

gbee, thanks

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cyanid3:

I'm having some problems getting stuff up and running on my mythtv box. The logs look to me like stuff is working right, but no audio or video is being put out. Also, programs are being recorded correctly, and there's a preview of them on the screen, but no fullscreen, here's an output dump (mythtv -v all)http://pastebin.ca/318389

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Dr_willis:

Hmm.. my MythTV setup has been working good.. but now ive noticed some video curruption issues on Live tv and recordings.. but it dosent seem to affect all chennels.. or even the same channel all the time.

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Dr_willis:

Checking the cables now.. the tv dosent have the same issue. so Not sure what to check next.

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fryfrog:

what do logs from around that time?

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fryfrog:

you might try throwing in "-v help" and picking some that might apply like "important,playback,recording"

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Dr_willis:

Im watching Live TV now on the box.. and its doing it with live tv. also.

[15:24:18]

Dr_willis:

But it even records live tv to a cache dont it.. .... H,,

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Milosch:

how's the cpu usage

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Dr_willis:

20% used by mythtv according to top

[15:25:21]

Dr_willis:

it seems to 'come and go' also. not doing it now on this channel.

[15:25:23]

Milosch:

load avg?

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fryfrog:

HD or SD?

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Dr_willis:

Normal TV – not HD. PVR150 card

[15:26:03]

Dr_willis:

Tasks: 90 total, 1 running, 88 sleeping, 0 stopped, 1 zombie

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Dr_willis:

Cpu(s): 19.3%us, 10.3%sy, 0.0%ni, 69.3%id, 0.3%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.7%si, 0.0%st

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fryfrog:

ah, i see

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Dr_willis:

Hmm. Got a zombie.

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Dr_willis:

I did notice on the last reboot – that MythTV-backend dident 'start' – i sshed in and restarted the service.

[15:27:21]

Dr_willis:

Tempted to track down a live cd that just lets me test out the tuner card.

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fryfrog:

start your backend and frontend with "-v important,playback,recording" and see what the logs say

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fryfrog:

might see pre-buffering or iowait or something

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Milosch:

i have a 4G partition for mysql, found some orphaned binlogs recently that were about 3.5G from 2 months ago

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Dr_willis:

yea – i just noticed that the effect seems to kick in as soon as it goes or comes back from a comercial break.. but that may of been just an accident.

[15:29:41]

Dr_willis:

lets just reboot the MythTV box to be sure... and then i will ssh in and try that

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fryfrog:

bin files are mysqls binary logs, edit your my.cnf and comment out the "log_bin" or "bin_log" line, then restart mysql

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fryfrog:

then its safe to delete the files

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Milosch:

ah, didn't know that would make them not write those

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Dagmar:

I keep forgetting to go and make it truncate the logs it puts into the database

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Milosch:

i already removed the files since they were from november, it's not supposed to keep that many files anyway

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Pryon:

hmmm. 'dvdauthor -o FOO foo.mpg' doesn't seem to work anymore

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Dagmar:

And you need to do this in one line, why?

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Dagmar:

wrong channel

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Dr_willis:

Hmm... still doing it.. but it wasent doing it during the show.. but started during the commercial.. log file isent saying anything.

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Dr_willis:

this box has been doing good for the last 2 weeks or so. lets see if it does it wheni play back other video. that would imply a video card issue.

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Pryon:

Ah. Have to specify -t

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juski:

hometime-ish

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magicrobotmonkey:

im trying to use vlc to stream .nuv's but i only get audio – anyone know why?

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can anyone help me with a problem that just cropped up? my mythbackend command hangs on EIThelper... won't go any farther than that (waited 2–3 min)

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_al_:

hi

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_al_:

does someone know up-to-date mythtv installation guide for opensuse 10.2?

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