Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, January 15th, 2007, 00:01 UTC

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AMystery:

they are a living for me, much as pushing a stone up a hill is for sisyphus

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braniff:

wasn't sisyphus both a man and a woman? heh

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AMystery:

that's a mystery...

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AMystery:

I'm getting mythdora so I will try again in abou tan hour

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braniff:

have fun

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AMystery:

I always do and when it stops being fun, I do something else. I just have to have a working dvr by 10 when mythbusters comes on:)

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braniff:

you might want to think about a backup plan heh

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AMystery:

when I get one working, after a victory dance, I will be making an image

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** braniff does a victory dance!! **

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braniff:

i finally have a good picture

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braniff:

without static

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braniff:

this is a glorious day

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AMystery:

then I am jealous:) congratulations!

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braniff:

thanks

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braniff:

btw i'm using mythdora 3.2

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** esandeen has no static but then he has digital tv :D **

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braniff:

for anyone who is curious, the problem was a botched ivtv installation

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braniff:

my own fault — not mythdora's

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AMystery:

in another hour I'll let you know my experiences

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kijutsu:

What would cause MythTV to open, flash the background of MythTV, go to a black screen, and then die after 30 seconds?

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scott_:

not sure, what menu painter are you using? opengl or qt?

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kijutsu:

Qt

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scott_:

it just started happening or it never worked?

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kijutsu:

Never worked

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kijutsu:

I am getting a couple of errors

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kijutsu:

2007-01–14 19:23:21.653 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started

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kijutsu:

2007-01–14 19:23:22.669 TV: Deleting TV Chain in destructor

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kijutsu:

2007-01–14 19:23:21.652 GetEntryAt(-1) failed.

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kijutsu:

2007-01–14 19:23:21.653 EntryToProgram(0@Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo

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scott_:

do you have multiple capture cards?

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kijutsu:

no

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kijutsu:

MSI TV@nywhere

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kijutsu:

it's an saa7134 based device

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alsoconfused:

hey braniff, what turned out to be the problem?

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[R]:

i have a usb sound device that doesnt use a standard name for the mixer control... i manually told myth the name of the control but changing the volume in myth doesnt actually change the control

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braniff:

alsoconfused, i had tried to install an updated ivtv from a tarball. Getting rid of that and installing from an ivtv package fixed the problem

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braniff:

so it was an ivtv problem

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alsoconfused:

braniff: yeah, i've run into some flaky versions of ivtv

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kijutsu:

scott_, any idea?

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braniff:

alsoconfused, thanks for your help. you helped me narrow the problem down to ivtv

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alsoconfused:

braniff: your welcome

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vegeat:

what playback decoder

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vegeat:

should i be using?

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GreyFoxx:

The real question is, do you have a reason not to use the standard one ? Are you having problems with it ?

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vegeat:

just trying to make the video look clean

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alsoconfused:

GreyFoxx: which one is the standard one?

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vegeat:

also should i be deinterlacing and what filter

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GreyFoxx:

I believe it says "Standard" in the name :)

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GreyFoxx:

vega: I use kernel deint, and no filters

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alsoconfused:

GreyFoxx: ahh, so it does.

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vegeat:

for live tv, wht bitrate would give me good quality

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vegeat:

with out chewing up my cpu/hard drive

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GreyFoxx:

vegeat: I use 6000max, 4500 min for default , don'treally use livetv but it's set to the same.

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vegeat:

really

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vegeat:

dont use live tv?

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GreyFoxx:

nope

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GreyFoxx:

Doesn't take long before you realize you are no longer slave to when the stations broadcast stuff :)

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GreyFoxx:

I watch what I want, when I want :)

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SeaWeed:

How Can YOu disable Livetv i musta missed that option

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GreyFoxx:

SeaWeed: Why not just ignore it ?

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SeaWeed:

But It Shure Can Fill up A HArd Drive in no time

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GreyFoxx:

SeaWeed: Those get auto expired

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SeaWeed:

Well that is What i been Doing

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alsoconfused:

SeaWeed: what good is an empty drive?

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SeaWeed:

lol

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SeaWeed:

Ok yall make a Point

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SeaWeed:

Let me Ask a ?

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SeaWeed:

Is There a Way i Can ( Backup ) database And move it To another PC

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SeaWeed:

?

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GreyFoxx:

SeaWeed: Mysqldump

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SeaWeed:

Or Atleast make a backup and resotre

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SeaWeed:

I use Acronis to Backup my Drive And Every time i Back up Drive it Whipes The Database

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SeaWeed:

:(

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GreyFoxx:

SeaWeed: Use mysqldump to dump the database to a text file you can later reimport to regenerate the database

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SeaWeed:

Was going to Try a ( stage4 ) backup Was Told it Will not Corrupt database

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GreyFoxx:

I have ascript that runs every night and backs up mine

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SeaWeed:

that is Kool

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GreyFoxx:

The script rotates and compresses the backups, keeping like 10 days or so of them

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SeaWeed:

Whats Correct commnda or is there a how-to on this

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alsoconfused:

wow, pats just made a 2 point conversion to tie the game!

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GreyFoxx:

well mysqldump is a basic mysql command, google for it

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SeaWeed:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

My script if anyone wants to use it is here : http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/backup-mythtv-db.sh.gz

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GreyFoxx:

You set a few variables at the top, like locaiton to dump to and such

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[R]:

GreyFoxx: what about optimizing it too...

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GreyFoxx:

[R]: I've never had reason to, but it would be a 1 liner to add that to the script

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[R]:

your tables never have overhead?

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GreyFoxx:

Certainly not enough to be noticed

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[R]:

i've got like 6.6mb of overhead

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GreyFoxx:

be a long time before I worry about 6meg :)

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[R]:

lol

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braniff:

i heard about a great theme: "bloo" something or other...where can i find it?

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defaultro:

hi everyone

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defaultro:

Hey GreyFoxx

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AMystery:

hello defaultro

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braniff:

hi

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defaultro:

hey AMystery

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defaultro:

hi braniff

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GreyFoxx:

braniff: www.juski.co.uk

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defaultro:

braniff, search juski

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defaultro:

there you go

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braniff:

ah thanks

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defaultro:

:)

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AMystery:

now to try dora the mythtv explorer

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defaultro:

can someone please help to troubleshoot? I have a fusion that is analog capable. I changed the user that runs mythtv. It was previously root, now it's mythtv. All my analog recordings doesn't have sound anymore

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braniff:

defaultro, check the file permissions on your sound device

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defaultro:

it's all mythtv

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defaultro:

alsamixer shows that catpure is CD which is correct physically

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defaultro:

is there any tool that can grab mpg from the analog chip?

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defaultro:

then also a tool that can grab the audio?

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alsoconfused:

defaultro: is the sound lost while recording, or just during playback?

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alsoconfused:

i.e. try playing the file as root with mplayer

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defaultro:

i don't even know if the sound is already being recorded anymore

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defaultro:

i will play the file

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defaultro:

with mplayer. But i remember that when I played it with mplayer, there was no sound

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** braniff declares victory over his mythtv box! **

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braniff:

now i can just use it instead fighting with it heh

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defaultro:

i just tried it with mplayer and no sound

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alsoconfused:

braniff: good time to make some notes and a good backup!

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braniff:

i wish i was that organized

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defaultro:

this one works, aplay /usr/local/share/vectoroids/sounds/ast4.wav

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defaultro:

that means, mine .asoundrc is setup correctly

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AMystery:

you could make me some notes:) I'm installing mythdora right now

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braniff:

maybe i should start blogging?

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defaultro:

what else could it be preventing mythtv from recording audio?

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AMystery:

always a fun hobby, for about two weeks

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braniff:

i would be web 2.0 then haha

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AMystery:

i have a blog. I haven't updated it in a few months. am I still l33t?

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braniff:

AMystery, your blog is only l33t if you have blogged about the iPhone

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AMystery:

I might have mentioned the rumors and my desire for them late last year. rumors are far l33ter than facts

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braniff:

very true

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Fooker:

Is there a reason why a job would be put into the queue instead of being started right away?

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braniff:

defaultro, crw-rw-rw- 1 mythtv root 116, 7 Jan 14 17:57 /dev/snd/pcmC0D2p <-- the file permissions on one of my alsa sound devices

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braniff:

note that it's rw

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braniff:

alsa-project.org advises these permissions: chmod -R a+rwX /dev/snd/

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crudpuppy:

k, I've not got something right, trying to setup my master backend and slave frontend/backend

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crudpuppy:

when I start he frontend's backend it tries to connect to localhost mysql

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crudpuppy:

which is turned off

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crudpuppy:

as its suppose to be

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crudpuppy:

mythfilldatabse connects to the other server and so does mythtv-setup

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crudpuppy:

isnt a backend suppose to run even on your dummy frontends?

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crudpuppy:

that just connects to the master mysql

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alsoconfused:

crudpuppy: a frontend does not require a local backend

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crudpuppy:

what about to get the setup for the local tuner cards?

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crudpuppy:

how can I set those up on the master? or should I just move all the tuners to the master

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Fooker:

The machine with the tuner card gets the backend, every other machne gets just a front end

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crudpuppy:

well I was actually spreading my tuners

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alsoconfused:

crudpuppy: i think you need to check the mysql.txt file in ~<username>/.mythtv

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AMystery:

well this is annoying. rebooting after mythdora install and I get an error 17 from grub

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braniff:

what's error 17?

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SeaWeed:

I Upgrade my mythtv today to ver 12535 and now when i run ( mythfilldatabase ) it Show No Channels But All Channels Are There Any 1 Have any idea it Shows my source But Never Show Numder of channels and it was showing them

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AMystery:

apparently it means the partition exists but grub can't understand it. possibly a strange file system

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AMystery:

i'm wondering if my boot drive is having problems. I got this error earlier and solved it by quickly installing nubuntu which refreshed the boot loader. at least that is my workaround

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Fooker:

AMystery: You can reinstall grub using the command grub from within your distro if you can boot it, or a rescue CD

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Fooker:

AMystery: Better yet, just use lilo

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braniff:

could also diagnose from the grub command line

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AMystery:

with an erorr 17 you can't get to the command line. system halts before grub finishes loading

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Fooker:

Lots of ways to boot a system even when grub is unusable :)

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AMystery:

yeah, i have a live cd booting now. it just annoys me because this shouldn't be necessary

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Fooker:

Just pop your grub floppy in and you should be able to boot off of that

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AMystery:

that assumes I have a floppy drive:)

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GreyFoxx:

Can't remember the last time I saw a pc with a floppy drive heh

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Fooker:

Yeah, thats the problem.

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AMystery:

i actually have the drive in my case. it isn't connected and I have no media, but it does take up a slot

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mike689:

can anyone help me? I'm having some problems getting my TV Tuner working with mythTV on ubuntu

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Fooker:

Arch comes with a utility for making a boot floppy, which is great, but I haven't owned a floppy in years, and the stupid thing won't just throw the image to a file :(

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Fooker:

Yeah, back when I had my raid array of 2gig drives (heh, the good times), I took my floppy drive and my second CD drive out so I could fit three more drives in – for a nice 6 gig boost :P

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mike689:

I have a WinTV-Go Plus tuner card and when i open mythtv all i get is green on the top half of the screen and static on the bottom, can anyone help?

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Fooker:

mike689: Did you go through configuring mythbackend?

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mike689:

i dont think so

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dgilmore:

anyone have any tips for getting a hd3000 to not kill the cpu on a AMD 2600+ system

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Fooker:

You'll need to follow a howto somewhere, as there is *ALLOT* more to mythtv than just starting up mythfrontend :)

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jacKnife:

I'm having a problem with my scheduled recordings not showing up in my media library, i can watch live tv with sound no prob. myhtbackend.log sais it records and even flags commercials

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Fooker:

dgilmore: Put a fan on the CPU?

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mike689:

well i started the backend, i think i need to change the BTTV stuff of my card

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dgilmore:

Fooker: there is a fan on it. it uses 100% cpu while watching hd

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jacKnife:

it even looks like the *nuv files are being created, just not recorded in the database or something

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dgilmore:

Fooker: the video is extemely jerky

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Fooker:

dgilmore: Get an 8-way dual core opteron box?

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dgilmore:

Fooker: might have to :)

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Fooker:

The best way to solve any problem is to throw more CPU at it :)

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alsoconfused:

dgilmore: sounds like a video driver problem

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mike689:

Fooker: I've heard of problems with people that have the same card as me that the BTTV Tuner and Card values arent set right, i tried to fix these but i cant figure it out

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dgilmore:

alsoconfused: quite possibly. its a ati radeon 7000

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Fooker:

Hows your memory? I notice on my box the CPU usage goes down by over 50% if I have all 2 gigs free as opposed to having only a few hundred meg free

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dgilmore:

box has 512mb ram

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dgilmore:

i guess time for a hardware upgrade

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Fooker:

mike689: Install and configure mythbacken, mysql, and then configure mythfrontend. Unless you do that, nothing else will get mythtv working for you

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Fooker:

Oh good job mythtv. Don't even escape your bloody spaces in the filenames

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mike689:

oh, i have already done that, followed numerous tutorials and everything, installing and downloading everything

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Fooker:

Honestly, variables used for user jobs should have the spaces escaped out or replaced with underscores!

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GreyFoxx:

Fooker: Ummm huh ? Myth doesn't generate filenames with spaces

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Fooker:

GreyFoxx: %TITLE% and %SUBTITLE% both have contain unescaped spaces

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GreyFoxx:

Those are not filenames

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SafeMode:

Hello Lunix People – I'm a Noob Suse Linix 10.2 User and just installed MythTV to capture NTSN Cable thru an ATi TV Wonder with Stereo Decoder but MythTV setup will not load – anyone?

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Fooker:

GreyFoxx: In pretty much any context you'd use those two variables in, they'd end up being file names

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GreyFoxx:

Fooker: Pffft, then the users script can learn to handle the content properly

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Fooker:

GreyFoxx: What about those of us who just want to pop a single command into the userjob, and not waste our time writing a script?

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GreyFoxx:

Then I'd say you are sol ?

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alsoconfused:

Fooker: can you just put quotes around the variables?

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Fooker:

alsoconfused: I haven't tried anything yet, too busy bitching about the five seconds of work I'm going to have to do...

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alsoconfused:

indeed

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Fooker:

Took me almost two bloody minutes!

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alsoconfused:

SafeMode: do you get any errors or warnings? if not, try mythtv-setup -v all

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Fooker:

That means I have to do another.... 8 minutes of bitching to keep up my ratios

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Fooker:

And if this doesn't work, I'm going out to the living room to watch TV on my old tv!

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alsoconfused:

Fooker: nah, just add in the time everyone else spent reading your gripes ;-P

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SafeMode:

<alsoconfused> no errors – will give that script a go

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Fooker:

alsoconfused: You mean people read this shite that I write?

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Fooker:

And they say I have no life....

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poublon:

anyone know if there's a way in mythvideo to give a folder a "poster" like can be done for individual files?

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GreyFoxx:

poublon: yeah, you can, lemme look at it

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Fooker:

poublon: Oh what, the title PORN isn't enough? You need a picture on it too so you can find it when your drunk?

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poublon:

looking to have a TV show's icon on the folder

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GreyFoxx:

poublon: I believe if you put in a image and call it "folder.jpg" or some such it would do it

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poublon:

ahh, ok

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mike689:

can someone help me find a simple straight forward complete install for mythtv on Ubuntu?

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poublon:

I looked around in the docs and didn't see it mentioned

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poublon:

Thanks

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GreyFoxx:

poublon: I've never seen it documented anywhere but in the code

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SafeMode:

guess I have to install libiec61883.so.0

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vegeat:

damn it

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Fooker:

Alright, now I have a job to convert my crap to ipod format when its finished recording... now I just need something to record.

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vegeat:

myth just crashes when i go to watch tv

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SeaWeed:

(GreyFoxx) I Upgrade my mythtv today to ver 12535 and now when i run ( mythfilldatabase ) it Show No Channels But All Channels Are There Any 1 Have any idea it Shows my source But Never Show Numder of channels and it was showing them

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poublon:

Once I get it working, I guess I'll have to update the wiki then

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AMystery:

interesting. so I did an install of nubuntu into my testing partition basically so it would probe and recreate grub for me and it didn't find mythdora. my system does not like sata drives in general

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alsoconfused:

AMystery: is it an onboard sata controller?

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AMystery:

yes

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alsoconfused:

AMystery: the drive shows up in the bios settings for boot devices?

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AMystery:

used to

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AMystery:

but since right now I can't open it, lets reboot and check

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mike689:

When i type "sudo apt-get build-dep myth" i get "E: Could not open file /car/lib/apt/lists/packages/freecontrib.org_dists_dapper_free_source_Sources&nbs p;– open (2 No such file or directory)

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mike689:

what does that mean/how can i fix it? :-P

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alsoconfused:

AMystery: i had a similar thing recently and i had to muck with /boot/grub/device.map. the one it created automagically would not work.

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AMystery:

i think my system gets unhappy because i am booting from an ide drive but I also have a sata drive which is where I am installing my test systems

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AMystery:

and somehow the system thinks the sata is disconnected at random times

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alsoconfused:

AMystery: is there a spinup delay on the sata drive?

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AMystery:

alsoconfused: shouldn't be since I am not powering anything down

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AMystery:

i think instead of having one boot loader, i will use my system's ability to select a boot device and start installing things on the sata drive with their boot loader at the drive root instead of the mbr

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vegeat:

dang i get a black screen of death when i try to wtch tv now

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AMystery:

with a scythe and guy in a robe saying "make your peace"?

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alsoconfused:

ah well, i guess it's time to reboot this puppy and try out my fc6 install.

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DrkShdw:

pardon my ignorance, but I'm trying to decide on a tuner card. I'm leaning towards the hauppage pvr-500, but in my understanding, you can only get that card in the "MCE" version, which does not include a remote. is that correct?

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AMystery:

i believe so, at least directly from hauppauge. I've seen package deals elsewhere that have a remote

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mike689:

What do you ahve to do to get the remote working w/ myth?

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DrkShdw:

ok. Also in my understanding (I've been researching a short while) the remote really isn;t necessary, becuase the actual tuning/recording/etc is done 100% via software, correct? the remote would be better on the client side?

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Ross_C:

mike689: either get an IR keyboard and train a learning remote from the keyboard, or set up lirc

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nasa:

Could someone help clear something up for me.... Aren't cable companies required to carry local OTA HD programming unencrypted?

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nasa:

And if so... Could someone point me to a source?

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cesman:

check the archives

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cesman:

I've seen it mentioned a few times on the mailing list

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cesman:

or google or check the fss website

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** nasa has been trying google with out much success... **

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** nasa off to check archives... **

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** nasa finds it . **

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AMystery:

so what is the story?

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SafeMode:

think I will uninstall MythTV and re-Install don't think I've all the dependecy Issues resolved

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nasa:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . =fcc;#199656 — thread is here

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JoeyJoeJo:

can myth automatically back up it's DB?

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[R]:

no

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jacKnife:

ok i'm missing something here. i schedule a recording, it records, and then its not in the media library when its all done. What am i missing here?

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jacKnife:

i cant even go to the program guide, start recording something, stop it, and then watch it. There has to be something fundamental i'm not checking

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AMystery:

I'm giving up for the night. good luck with your projects:)

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Ross_C:

JoeyJoeJo – just add a cronjob to /etc/cron.daily to do a 'mysqldump -u $USER -p$PASS mythconverg -c |gzip -c > /myth/mythtv_backup.`date '+%w'`.sql.gz

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JoeyJoeJo:

ross_c: thanks for the tip

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vegeat:

can anyone help me, when i watch tv, it goes black right away and the computer just locks up

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vegeat:

but i can ssh in from my other computer just fine

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JoeyJoeJo:

I'm trying to archive one of my recorded programs to dvd, but when I get to the option to choose the show to burn, only 1 out of about 30 recordings shows up.. why is this?

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Ross_C:

vegeat: what happens if you hit ctrl-alt-bkspace? I'm guessing that your video card is misconfigured and livetv is hanging waiting for input

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vegeat:

nothing happens when i hit that

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vegeat:

i hear like 2 seconds of audio

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vegeat:

thennothing

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JoeyJoeJo:

ross_c: I've added a what you gave me to the dir you said to, but do I need to do anything else, or will cron just know to run it?

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Ross_C:

JoeyJoeJo – 1) it needs to have a line that starts with "#!/bin/sh", 2) the command needs a valid $USER and $PASSWORD for your system, 3) chmod a+x the file (Min's called myth_database_backup)

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Ross_C:

oh, and test it from the commandline before you put in in a cronjob :)

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JoeyJoeJo:

ok, I did the last two, but not the first.. and I tested it and it seemed to work.. other than what you said, I don't need to tell cron when to run it or anything?

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Ross_C:

vegeat: what happens when you ' cat /dev/video > /tmp/capture.mpg ', wait 2 seconds, hit ctrl-c, then try to play it with mplayer /tmp/capture/mpg

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vegeat:

it works again

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vegeat:

so sexy

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Ross_C:

JoeyJoeJo – linux has some special cron dirs like /etc/cron.daily /etc/cron.hourly /etc/cron.weekly – any scripts under them get executed based on the dir's frequency

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Ross_C:

from /etc/crontab

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JoeyJoeJo:

ross_c: ok, thats what I figured.. thanks for being so helpful

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scopeuk:

night all

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SlicerDicer-:

how much can you pickup used pvr 150's or 500's for?

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Ross_C:

SlicerDicer – doubt used would be much cheaper than new

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Ross_C:

the 150 and 500s are only a few years old, if that

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** SlicerDicer- stabs at the air **

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SlicerDicer-:

I was hoping to be able to get a 500 and 150 for less haha

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SlicerDicer-:

I really want both :)

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SlicerDicer-:

I am going to convert my entire house over to mythtv and use frontends and shove all the cableboxes and masterbackend in the closet :)

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JoeyJoeJo:

When mytharchive is encoding goes to encode my programs, it gets an error that says "ERROR: Failed to get time formats from the DB".. am I missing something in python that the script needs?

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vegeat:

how do i disable the screen fromgoing blank in gnome after inactivity?

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Ross_C:

vegeat xset s off -dpms

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vegeat:

how can i clear the recorded probrams db

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vegeat:

i mounted a new volume on top of the directory

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vegeat:

so i could use a another harddrive, but it contains show information from the orignal mount point

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GreyFoxx:

vegeat: So you deleted the old recordings from the drive already ?

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Ross_C:

vegeat: phpMyAdmin is a great tool for browsing/editing mysql databases

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vegeat:

yeah

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vegeat:

ahh

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GreyFoxx:

Save yourself hassle, never do that

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GreyFoxx:

delete from the interface

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vegeat:

never do wha?

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vegeat:

lol

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GreyFoxx:

But since you've already deleted the files, you now need to manipulate the database directly

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vegeat:

yeah

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vegeat:

okay

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vegeat:

please tell me there is a yum phpmyadmin

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vegeat:

lol

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GreyFoxx:

I wouldn't know :)

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Ross_C:

or learn sql and do it in one command – sql's a helluva language ;)

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vegeat:

i know sql

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vegeat:

but im lazy

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GreyFoxx:

IF that was true you';d know it would take more effort to install the packages and such than it would to do the command manually :)

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vegeat:

yeah

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vegeat:

im useing the command line now

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jacKnife:

can someone tell me where i configure custom user jobs? I see i can turn them on and of in Tv Settings -> General but not specify what they are

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GreyFoxx:

mythtv-setup I believe

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jacKnife:

ok, i remember that. And other then inserting SQL, there is no way to do it via mythfrontend?

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GreyFoxx:

correct

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vegeat:

hmm

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GreyFoxx:

userjobs are run on the backend anyway, so it make sense for them to be in mythtv-setup

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vegeat:

when i watch live tv, it records it to that video directory

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jacKnife:

ah, i did not know that

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vegeat:

is that suppose to happen, i thought that onlyhappens when you recorda program

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GreyFoxx:

vegeat: EVerything, including LiveTV is recorded

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GreyFoxx:

that's how you can paud/rewind etc

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vegeat:

doesnt that take up space?

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vegeat:

cause each channel i go to

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GreyFoxx:

They will auto expire

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vegeat:

ohh

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vegeat:

okay

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vegeat:

okay im on mythweb, and im checking out the recorded programs

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vegeat:

i click on one of the recordings and it says the file does not exist inthe recordings dir

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jacKnife:

GreyFoxx: when i define a user job, can i specify variable names for program listings etc..? Or can you point me to better docs then google?

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vegeat:

also the xset s off -dpms didnt work

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vegeat:

it still blacks out

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GreyFoxx:

jacKnife: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Jobs

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jacKnife:

oh good grief, i was staring right at it

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jacKnife:

thanks

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jacKnife:

thats what happens when you fiddle with something for like 48 hours straight

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GreyFoxx:

vegeat: Then go learn how to turn off gnomes screensaver :)

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GreyFoxx:

the xset disables the X stuff, but KDE/gnome add their own layer of crap to the mix :)

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GreyFoxx:

vegeat: Is this a desktop machine too or a dedicated myth machine ?

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vegeat:

done

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vegeat:

hehe

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Cyberai:

I'm going to be upgrading to MythTV-2.0 and adding a surroud sound system soon. Can anyone recommend a good surround solution?

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vegeat:

dedicated mythbox

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vegeat:

i think i got all the stuff worked out

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GreyFoxx:

vegeat: You might consider a slimmer window manager then gnome

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Milosch:

i was going to suggest windowmaker

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GreyFoxx:

IT's a lot of memory bloat

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Milosch:

since it's not impossibly difficult to configure

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GreyFoxx:

If you don't need the desktop features it's not needed

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vegeat:

ohh

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vegeat:

which one should i go with

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vegeat:

kde?

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vegeat:

flux?

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vegeat:

my box load is high

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GreyFoxx:

KDe is even worse

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vegeat:

19:28:36 up 36 min, 2 users, load average: 0.09, 0.29, 0.60

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GreyFoxx:

Icewm, fluxbox, ratpoison

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vegeat:

not even doing anything either

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vegeat:

would i see any increase in performance using these?

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GreyFoxx:

You'll see less ram waste, and fewer cpu cycles

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GreyFoxx:

if it will be majorly noticable to you I can't say

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vegeat:

ahh

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vegeat:

man i wonder how hard it wold to be to switch

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vegeat:

with out breaking stuff

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Milosch:

10032 mythtv 25 0 27336 1472 1152 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.01 WindowMaker

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Milosch:

i wonder how this compares to icewm, etc

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Milosch:

probably still a little more than is necessary

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Cyberai:

the newest ubuntu myth guide uses openbox

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Cyberai:

its pretty darn small

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Cyberai:

you could use twm if you really want to go tiny

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Milosch:

i looked at twm, but couldn't figure out autostart, etc. – rather it was taking too long so i opted for wmaker

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vegeat:

any good gues on wmaker

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vegeat:

?

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vegeat:

guides

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vegeat:

i mean

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Milosch:

install it, edit ~/.dmrc to read Session=wmaker, then edit ~/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/autostart

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Milosch:

was about all i had to do

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vegeat:

i just yum windowmaker

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Milosch:

that and make gdm autologin

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vegeat:

and switchdesk windowmaker

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vegeat:

lets see if that worked

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Milosch:

you could do that

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vegeat:

rebooting

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Milosch:

rebooting?

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vegeat:

yeah

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vegeat:

im far away

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vegeat:

fromthe keyboard of the mythbox

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vegeat:

im sshing in

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vegeat:

lol

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Milosch:

restart gdm?

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vegeat:

too lazy dont want to get up

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vegeat:

whoa wm is really basic

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vegeat:

lol

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Milosch:

has a right-click menu, but i don't use any of that

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Milosch:

in that autostart file you can add your xset commands, then end with mythfrontend &

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Cyberai:

I'm going to be upgrading to MythTV-2.0 and adding a surroud sound system soon. Can anyone recommend a good surround solution?

[03:38:52]

Cyberai:

I'm torn between using a sounblaster and my own speakers and buying a bose system and connecting by spdif

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Milosch:

i'd go spdif, but my current stereo lost it's digital inputs awhile back

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Milosch:

maybe the coax still works, though

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Milosch:

hmm

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vegeat:

Milosch, i have that three icon bar at the top right

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vegeat:

overlaying everything

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vegeat:

how do i get rid of that

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Milosch:

ah, let me see

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Milosch:

DisableDock = YES; in ~/GNUstep/Defaults/WindowMaker i think

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Milosch:

but i always get the dock and that other thing confused

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Milosch:

DisableClip=YES;

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Milosch:

do both, why not

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vegeat:

lol

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vegeat:

alright

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vegeat:

finally my box is great

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vegeat:

can i stream recorded shows over the net?

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Milosch:

vegeat: yep, i can even watch live tv tuned on the backend on another machine

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vegeat:

via the mythweb?

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Milosch:

there is a setting in the frontend to always stream, but I elected to use nfs mounts and pretend they're local

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Milosch:

no, i have a frontend on another box

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vegeat:

ohh

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vegeat:

i wanted something over th web

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vegeat:

so when i go to work tomorrow

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vegeat:

i can wtch shows

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vegeat:

i guess slingbox is my only choicehere

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GreyFoxx:

you could do it via mythweb but it would require a lot of bw, as it doesn't transcode it to asmaller stream

[03:51:13]

vegeat:

ohh

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vegeat:

i got 1mb up

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GreyFoxx:

you could look at installing mythstreamtv a mythweb addon which can do that

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GreyFoxx:

1mb wouldn't be enough

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vegeat:

really?

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GreyFoxx:

if you use mythstreamtv you could set it to spit out smaller streams

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vegeat:

how about already recorded programs

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vegeat:

that have been transcoded in to mpeg4?

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GreyFoxx:

depends on what bitrate and such you transcoded them down to

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GreyFoxx:

I never transcode my recordings, so I've not spent much time with those settings

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vegeat:

ohh

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vegeat:

i chose 2200

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Milosch:

CD?

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Fooker:

Yeah, CD :)

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Milosch:

oh ok

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Milosch:

just checking ;)

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Fooker:

I have *HUGE* amounts of CDs lying around, so why not use em as opposed to buying DVDs?

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Milosch:

not sure that would work, but i'd be curious to know

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GreyFoxx:

cause they hold 1 6th-7th of the data of a DVD ?:)

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Fooker:

Place I worked for bulk ordered CDs, but mucked up the order form and ordered the shinny surface ones instead of the inkjet printable ones, so I bought them off of them for like 0.03$ a peice

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Fooker:

I think I've got probably 15 spindles left still...

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Milosch:

hrm, my CDs always break when i put them in the inkjet

[03:57:33]

Milosch:

guess i need one without rollers

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Fooker:

lol

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Milosch:

as for labels, that's what a sharpie is for

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Fooker:

Gotta heat em up on the stove for a few minutes first, get em nice and soft so you can bend em

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Milosch:

ah, sweet, CD-shrinkydinks

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Fooker:

Ha, right. Like I was gonna take a sharpie to 300 CDs every week for an entire summer :)

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Milosch:

love that smell

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Fooker:

Sharpies or burnt CDs?

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Milosch:

mmm, Sharpie

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jacKnife:

crap, just when i was making headway: RingBuf(/video/mythtv/1000_20070114225000.nuv): taking too long to be allowed to read.

[04:00:29]

jacKnife:

what does this mean?

[04:00:38]

jacKnife:

database problem of some sort?

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Fooker:

I would guess that access to your harddrive is too slow

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Fooker:

Is something else running thats doing allot of disk I/O?

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jacKnife:

hmm, 0% IO wait times

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jacKnife:

i dont think so

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jacKnife:

i dont think its HDD access time, results of: root@mythtv:/tmp# time dd if=/video/mythtv/1000_20070114225000.nuv of=/dev/null

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jacKnife:

where: 15879240 bytes (16 MB) copied, 0.195267 seconds, 81.3 MB/s

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fysa:

you need to test with more than 16 MB.

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fysa:

_especially_ if you're using dd.

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fysa:

the rule is like .. twice your RAM or some such to get a reasonably accurate reading.

[04:12:32]

Fooker:

Twice your ram and your swap space put together

[04:13:18]

Fooker:

Myth is a disk hog – I have 2gig of ram on my myth box, and its pretty much 100% used whenever myth is running, and my disks never slow down

[04:14:01]

adante:

are you guys using svn? am i the only one who seems to be experiencing memory leakage?

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Fooker:

adante: Myth uses huge amounts of memory.... how do you know its a memory leak?

[04:16:36]

adante:

Fooker: it gradually starts to use huger and huger amounts

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Fooker:

How quickly?

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adante:

pretty slow

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adante:

when i first start it uses maybe 300/250meg of virt/resident

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adante:

after about 3 weeks its up to maybe 1.2gig of virtual

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adante:

if i kill and restart it, back at 300/250

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fysa:

cache

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fysa:

you can't trust top.

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jacKnife:

ok, in the middle of a record job i still managed to get 15MB/sec: 5950470003 bytes (6.0 GB) copied, 390.544 seconds, 15.2 MB/s

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adante:

jacKnife: just ftr i got those ringbuf errors when my cards had tuning problems as well, iirc

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Fooker:

Man, this could get out of hand quickly – there are so many shows on during the day I'd love to record....

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jacKnife:

ok, i can attest that it doesnt "seem" to be affecting running jobs, however its filling up the log file rapidly. i'd like to at least know how to convice myth to give up on it

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adante:

jacKnife: is this livetv?

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jacKnife:

well, i cant remember if it was from livetv or if i browsed to it from the program guide and started a record job

[04:27:21]

jacKnife:

but its one or the other

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adante:

in livetv and myth should give up after a while, bring up an osd saying it can't seem to get any data

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adante:

at least.. it used to – but it's been x many months since i used livetv

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jacKnife:

adante: cool, thanks. i'll check it tomorrow and verify its gone then

[04:33:53]

jacKnife:

thanks all for your help, i'm out for the night, hopefully when i wake up i can sync all my recordings to my ipod ;)

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vegeat:

hmm

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vegeat:

trying to install mythstreamtv

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vegeat:

but i get an error saying no support for this version

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Fooker:

So does myth ever clean up the video files it creates temporarily, or should a person setup a script to do that?

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vegeat:

it auto expires

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esandeen:

starting it over fixes things

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vegeat:

out of sync?

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esandeen:

sk i p s ba dl y

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vegeat:

i dont get that

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vegeat:

hmmm

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vegeat:

whats your set up?

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Fooker:

Mines out of sync, if you have a solution for that...

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vegeat:

after how long?

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Fooker:

Goes in and out of sync, but only on "live" TV

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vegeat:

hmmm

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vegeat:

software encoder?

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Fooker:

I think its my crappy audio card

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Fooker:

Nah, hardware encoder for the video

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vegeat:

imusing an on board encoder

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esandeen:

vegeat, digital out, hdtv/digital tuner

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vegeat:

i amnot getting that problem

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Fooker:

But my audio card is basically nothing, iirc everything has to be pre-processed by the main CPU before its sent to the audio card

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Fooker:

And thats probably whats causing it – I've noticed weird things with it in other apps

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esandeen:

i just wish I had some way to debug these glitches

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esandeen:

they're the 2% that make myth a real PITA :(

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Fooker:

After I select export video files, am I not supposed to get another menu?

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adante:

Fooker: yes, myth will clean up those livetv temp files

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Qwell:

Is there any email functionality in mythtv, to tell you what was recorded that day, or after a recording finishes or anything?

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GreyFoxx:

Qwell: Nope

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GreyFoxx:

But you could certainly script something easily

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Qwell:

are there post-record hooks for scripts?

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GreyFoxx:

Yup, Userjobs

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Qwell:

ahh, will have to check that out then. Does it have show details?

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GreyFoxx:

There are many variables availabnle

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GreyFoxx:

check out the wiki and search for "User Jobs"

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Qwell:

perfect then, thanks

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Fooker:

GreyFoxx: You might now – can a person have more than 4 user jobs?

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GreyFoxx:

Fooker: I've honestly never looked into it, I'm not sure if that is a UI limit or a code limit

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Fooker:

GreyFoxx: I couldn't imagine how that would be a code limitations

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Fooker:

Mysql is used to store everyting; it would have no problems with more than 4 entries in a table.

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GreyFoxx:

Fooker: That doesn't mean that the myth code can't limit it :) but I'd be fairly suprised if it was hardcoded there as well

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GreyFoxx:

It's likely just limited UI space

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GreyFoxx:

you can certainly add some manually and test it

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GreyFoxx:

Fooker: A quick look at the code shows no hard limit

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GreyFoxx:

well, I suppose it's actually a65535 limit, but that's surely more than plenty :)

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Fooker:

GreyFoxx: Only 65535?

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GreyFoxx:

Only ?

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GreyFoxx:

:)

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Fooker:

And that the archive plugin appears to be broken

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GreyFoxx:

There is a windowed mode, though not dynamically resizable

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GreyFoxx:

mytharchive works for me (at least it did 2 weeks ago when I last exported something for another machine)

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Fooker:

Weird.

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GreyFoxx:

though I'm not running 0.20-fixes, so if it's broken there I wouldn't know

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Fooker:

I go to export videos, I get a blank screen. If I touch any keys, it seg faults

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GreyFoxx:

Can't say I've ever seen anyone describe that before

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pilly28:

did my last post come up? I was disconnected as I hit enter....

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Fooker:

Could just be the arch linux package of it though, I've noticed they mucked a few other things up in other plugins.

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GreyFoxx:

and actually I have to correct myself, the mythcode limit is 4294967295, I was thinking of an unsigned short int which is 65525

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GreyFoxx:

65535

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Fooker:

I should really get away from using Arch for my "static" systems

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Fooker:

4294967295? Well, thats more like it!

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Fooker:

A few more would be nice, but that should suffice for the most part

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GreyFoxx:

I imagine :)

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Fooker:

Its only like 4 billion....

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Fooker:

:P

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pilly28:

can anyone help me with the digest auth of mythweb.... I'm so close I can feel it... works great if auth is commented out... getting an internal server error (500)

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Fooker:

Thanks for the help, much appreciated

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Fooker:

pilly28: I would... but I can't even get mythweb to load the first page properly....

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pilly28:

maybe I can help you somewhat....

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pilly28:

just not with auth

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pilly28:

:)

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Fooker:

Eh, I've kinda given up.... I don't really need a web interface

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pilly28:

its really nice to have when I'm @ work and I forgot to record the oilers game....

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pilly28:

wouldn't go without it....

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Fooker:

I record all the series's that I like to watch, as I rarely watch TV live, so I shouldn't ever have to record something so I don't miss it

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pilly28:

I never watch live either... just some things you can't just flag "record all occurances" ie. sports events....

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pilly28:

I'll tell you hardest part is having no-one tell me the score before I watch

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pilly28:

sometimes I drive home without the radio on....

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pilly28:

45 min drive...

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pilly28:

can anyone help me with the auth digest of mythweb?

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pilly28:

probably just something I set stupid or didn't fully understand, like is realm important? is there a wrong anwer?

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pilly28:

answer

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heanol:

what hardware is enough for a frontend doing 720p/1080i? would an epia be ok?

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alsoconfused:

pilly28: check the reference manual for your particular version of apache. make sure you have the correct directives in the .htaccess file e.g. authfile vs authdigest. also make sure you use the correct command to create the digest file

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vegeat:

you cant flag commericals forone show and record another show at the same time?

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defaultro:

guys, i've been troubleshooting this analog chip in my Fusion for almost 2 months now and still no joy

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defaultro:

maybe you have some ideas that I can try

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defaultro:

alsamixer tells me that Capture is set to CD which is correct

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defaultro:

but when i record analog video, no audio comes out

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defaultro:

I've already replaced the cable from fusion to motherboard, still no joy

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tcpsyn:

greetings.

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defaultro:

hey tcpsyn

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defaultro:

can you help me?

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tcpsyn:

hah. you don't waste any time.

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tcpsyn:

whats wrong.

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defaultro:

i've been troubleshooting my fusion's analog capability

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defaultro:

for almost 2 months

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tcpsyn:

and..

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defaultro:

audio is not being recorded anymore

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defaultro:

but video is ok

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tcpsyn:

not recorded or not played back.

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defaultro:

i guess not recorded

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tcpsyn:

why do you think that?

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defaultro:

because i played the nuv file in mplayer and i didn't get sound

[07:07:52]

defaultro:

i played an 1 yr old nuv file and there is sound

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tcpsyn:

I see.

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tcpsyn:

does the live tv have sound?

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defaultro:

all i did is changed the user that runs mythtv. It was root but now it's mythtv

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defaultro:

i haven't check livetv

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tcpsyn:

check that.. and check to see if the mythtv user is in the audio group.

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defaultro:

audio group?

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defaultro:

interesting

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defaultro:

where can I find that

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tcpsyn:

/etc/groups

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kormoc:

groups mythtv

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defaultro:

mythv is in root already

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tcpsyn:

whoah, wait.

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kormoc:

the root group != root user

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tcpsyn:

thats bad.

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defaultro:

i know but it's behind the firewall

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tcpsyn:

whoah.

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defaultro:

just did it for troubleshooting

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kormoc:

so why bother running it as user mythtv?

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tcpsyn:

you at the box?

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defaultro:

oh

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defaultro:

it's because when using mythtv, it can autologin

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tcpsyn:

you don't want it to run with root privlidges.

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defaultro:

but using root, i have to have a keyboard and login manually

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kormoc:

meh

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kormoc:

the backend running as root isn't /that/ bad

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tcpsyn:

yeah, using root is the wrong way.

[07:10:47]

tcpsyn:

yes, it is.

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tcpsyn:

don't run it as root.

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defaultro:

let's not get in security

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kormoc:

tcpsyn, why? what's so majorly wrong about it?

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defaultro:

help me fix my issue :

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defaultro:

:)

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defaultro:

I don't know what I did but audio is not recorded anymore

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kormoc:

it's non-interactive and only supports certain commands. it's not /that/ bad

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Dagmar:

Do you often have naughty hackers inside your home network?

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kormoc:

defaultro, are you sure the backend is running as user mythtv?

[07:11:59]

defaultro:

checking

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tcpsyn:

running any backend process as root is that bad. Especially when you don't need to.

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defaultro:

i guess it's still root

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Dagmar:

This isn't an internet service we're talking about. Running the backend as root is not that big of a deal.

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kormoc:

defaultro, ps aux | grep mythbackend

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defaultro:

how do i check it, ps aux?

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

:)

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defaultro:

it's root

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tcpsyn:

fine, run it as root :)

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kormoc:

tcpsyn, for no other reason then it's bad?

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defaultro:

mythbackend is being ran by root

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defaultro:

could that be my issue?

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tcpsyn:

And I swore I read that it can behave oddly when running as root, I'm looking for the thread now.

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kormoc:

defaultro, doubtful, ls -l /dev/videodevice

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defaultro:

tcpsyn, it runs awesome when it is ran by root

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

[root@localhost recordings]# ls -l /dev/video*

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defaultro:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 Jan 14 18:14 /dev/video -> video0

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defaultro:

crw-rw-rw- 1 mythtv root 81, 0 Jan 14 18:14 /dev/video0

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kormoc:

tcpsyn, actually, it's been sadly stated time and time again, the backend was designed to run as root and has weird issues when it's not root at times

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defaultro:

kormoc, analog video is fine but no audio

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Dagmar:

tcpsyn: I've still not installed the upgraded package I made that breaks both the frontend and backend to their own UIDs, and mine's behaving as well as it's gonna

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Dagmar:

I don't know how the hell it's going to go about renicing it's processes as the role user, but I'll burn that bridge when I come to it

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kormoc:

defaultro, ls -l /dev/audiorecordingdevice

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defaultro:

kormoc, all SD and HD recordings have no issues on recording audio/video just the analog

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tcpsyn:

defaultro, my guess is your mythtv user doesn't have rights to use the audio device.

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kormoc:

tcpsyn, except his backend is the one recording sound and it's user root

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tcpsyn:

usually, depends on the distro

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Dagmar:

defaultro: Are you using a framegrabber card?

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defaultro:

[root@localhost recordings]# ls -l /dev/audio

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defaultro:

crw-rw-rw- 1 mythtv root 14, 4 Jan 14 18:14 /dev/audio

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kormoc:

defaultro, whichever soundcard is recording the sound

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tcpsyn:

kormoc, indeed, but I still assume its recording sound, just not playing it back :)

[07:15:30]

tcpsyn:

aye.

[07:15:34]

tcpsyn:

so I'm wrong.

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tcpsyn:

next.

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defaultro:

:)

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Dagmar:

"not recording audio" is usually people using those bt8x8 cards and not setting the recording input correctly

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defaultro:

yes Dagmar

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defaultro:

I use bt8x8

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kormoc:

Dagmar, it is a bt8x8 card

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defaultro:

its fusion hdtv 5 lite card

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defaultro:

snd_bt87x 15688 0

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defaultro:

dvb_bt8xx 15748 0

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kormoc:

defaultro, you sure the audio cable from the card to your soundcard hasn't unpluged itself?

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defaultro:

yes

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defaultro:

I opened it a while ago

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defaultro:

i replaced it with a new one

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defaultro:

:(

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Dagmar:

Oh then definitely make sure you have the line input or whatever you've got the audio routing from the tuner to your sound card selected as the recording source (check in alsamixer) and make sure it's not muted for recording

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defaultro:

i ran alsamixer and set capture to CD

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kormoc:

sure your mixer settings are right?

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defaultro:

yes

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Dagmar:

You connected the tuner card to your CD input?

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defaultro:

yes

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defaultro:

and i still have the old nuv recording and I can hear the audio in mplayer

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defaultro:

and mythtv

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Dagmar:

Well, it shouldn't matter, but I don't see why you didn't connect it to line input like you were supposed to

[07:17:43]

defaultro:

but the new nuv recordings after I changed to mythtv account, no audio anymore

[07:17:57]

defaultro:

I don't see any LINE input in my mobo

[07:18:13]

Dagmar:

I have yet to see a motherboard that didn't have line, cdaudio, and mic inputs

[07:18:18]

defaultro:

it has been connected to CD the first time i installed fusion

[07:18:24]

Dagmar:

er motherboard with integrated sound chipset

[07:18:35]

defaultro:

honestly, i looked for 10 mins, but didn't see it

[07:18:54]

defaultro:

i will grab the manual to make sure

[07:18:59]

defaultro:

maybe it's hidden somewhere

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defaultro:

what i'm going to do is change CD to LINE in alsamixer even if it's connected to CD. I will try a recording

[07:19:45]

defaultro:

or maybe, there are other things I need to change in alsamixer that I havent done yet

[07:19:58]

defaultro:

playback was also set to CD

[07:20:19]

defaultro:

and here is what's surprising

[07:20:42]

defaultro:

when I play the nuv I recorded a while ago, this is what I see in mplayer

[07:20:44]

defaultro:

Forced audio codec: hwac3

[07:20:44]

defaultro:

Opening audio decoder: [pcm] Uncompressed PCM audio decoder

[07:20:44]

defaultro:

AUDIO: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 1411.2 kbit/100.00% (ratio: 176400->176400)

[07:20:44]

defaultro:

Selected audio codec: [pcm] afm: pcm (Uncompressed PCM)

[07:21:03]

defaultro:

but when I play

[07:21:14]

defaultro:

the 1 yr old nuv recording, this is what I get

[07:21:16]

defaultro:

Forced audio codec: hwac3

[07:21:16]

defaultro:

Opening audio decoder: [hwac3] AC3/DTS pass-through S/PDIF

[07:21:16]

defaultro:

No accelerated IMDCT transform found

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defaultro:

hwac3: switched to AC3, 384000 bps, 48000 Hz

[07:21:17]

defaultro:

AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, ac3, 384.0 kbit/25.00% (ratio: 48000->192000)

[07:24:06]

tcpsyn:

how do I delete multiple recordings? I select them all with the / key in delete recordings, and then hit D... but it just hangs.

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defaultro:

actually, i pasted the wrong one for the latter. It was this

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defaultro:

Forced audio codec: hwac3

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defaultro:

Opening audio decoder: [hwac3] AC3/DTS pass-through S/PDIF

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defaultro:

No accelerated IMDCT transform found

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defaultro:

hwac3: switched to AC3, 192000 bps, 48000 Hz

[07:26:41]

defaultro:

AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, ac3, 192.0 kbit/12.50% (ratio: 24000->192000)

[07:27:08]

defaultro:

any more ideas guys on what I should check?

[07:30:30]

defaultro:

Dagmar, right in front of me is the motherboard manual. I don't see any LINE IN

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defaultro:

or what about this guys, http://pastebin.ca/317084, is something wrong why pcm isn't rerouted properly?

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psm321:

hi

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psm321:

i'm having a problem with upgrading database schema from 1099 to 1100

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psm321:

Query was: ALTER TABLE videosource ADD COLUMN useeit SMALLINT NOT NULL DEFAULT 0;

[07:45:42]

psm321:

Database error was: Invalid default value for 'freqtable'

[07:45:45]

psm321:

any ideas?

[07:45:58]

psm321:

I found one mailing list hit with the same problem and no replies

[07:47:30]

Dagmar:

According to that you're not upgrading from 1099

[07:48:19]

psm321:

i cut out a bunch of lines to avoid flooding

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Dagmar:

Use pastebin.ca

[07:48:43]

Dagmar:

I wondered how the hell those two lines were supposed to be related

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psm321:

ok just a sec

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psm321:

http://pastebin.ca/317087

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psm321:

this is the mailing list post with the same issue from last feb http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/182948

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Dagmar:

Did you get *any* details correct?

[07:50:59]

Dagmar:

According to your pastebin yuo're going from 1085 to 1158

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psm321:

yes, sorry

[07:51:34]

psm321:

i thought that the failure was from 1099–1100, i must have misinterpretted

[07:51:35]

psm321:

sorry

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psm321:

the second time I ran it (to see if maybe retrying would help), it said it was at 1099, so I assumed that it had gotten to that point successfully

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Dagmar:

Good lord you're upgrading an ancient install

[07:53:41]

Dagmar:

Probably the reason no one's said anything on the list is that no one cares

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Dagmar:

Schema 1123 was current *six months ago*

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psm321:

yes its been a long time since i upgraded

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Dagmar:

I don't think you're going to find much help trying to upgrade from versions that old

[07:55:30]

Dagmar:

Backup whatever files you want to keep and just nuke the database and start over

[07:56:20]

psm321:

i have way too many recordings to do that... I'll try to see if I can figure out whats messing it up by hand, otherwise just stick with the old version I guess

[07:56:23]

psm321:

thanks for your help

[07:56:24]

tcpsyn:

Anyone know how I might delete a bunch of tagged recordings at once?

[07:58:07]

tcpsyn:

nevermind, I got it.

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defaultro:

still no joy guys :(

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kormoc:

The_Ball, you do know you can get those signals from the lirc remote file

[08:01:54]

The_Ball:

yes, i have the irrecord dump of the signal, but i wanted to double check if that was what really was happening

[08:02:09]

kormoc:

heh, fair nuff

[08:02:09]

Dibblah:

psm321: There's instructions for migrating just your recordings, etc in the manual.

[08:03:43]

psm321:

Dibblah: any chance you could give me a pointer? all i found referred to a hardware upgrade (didnt seem to imply it would work with a mythtv/schema upgrade)

[08:04:04]

Dagmar:

HASH(0x23E4200F8)

[08:04:07]

Dagmar:

There's ya a pointer.

[08:05:31]

Dibblah:

Export recordings, backup + drop the database, recreate with new version. Of course, you could try diagnosing exactly what's wrong with the schema update, but it's too early for me to help with that :)

[08:06:38]

defaultro:

how do I only tell mythfronted to debug audio

[08:06:42]

defaultro:

rather than -v all

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Dibblah:

Dagmar: You're occasionally the epitome of unhelpfulness.

[08:07:26]

Dibblah:

-v audio, maybe?

[08:07:53]

Dibblah:

-v all,no(x) disables logging of (x) only.

[08:08:01]

defaultro:

ok

[08:08:07]

Dagmar:

I honestly think it would be faster/simpler to just toss the db, reimport mc.sql, and reconfigure myth than it would be to troubleshoot/fix that particular issue

[08:08:10]

psm321:

Dibblah: i'm actually trying to do the manual thing... figured out that problem, now i'm up to 1122 with another failure :)

[08:08:11]

Dibblah:

all, nodatabase is usually good.

[08:08:19]

Dibblah:

Cool! :)

[08:08:44]

psm321:

for some reason my column was varchar(5) when it should be varchar(16)

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Dibblah:

Dagmar: Wouldn't that be exactly what I just said above?

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psm321:

and so the existing default value was too big for the column

[08:08:59]

Dagmar:

Dibblah: It's what I said even before that.

[08:09:20]

Dibblah:

But to say that 6 months old is expected not to work is just wrong.

[08:09:24]

Dagmar:

Should be interesting to see what *else* might have fallen through the cracks that didn't come with an obviously fatal error

[08:09:42]

Dibblah:

I've seen reports of upgrades from 0.13 -> 0.20.

[08:10:51]

Dibblah:

And besides, I get annoyed at helpdesk's default response of "just wipe it and reimage".

[08:11:20]

Dagmar:

I say this particularly because my weird bugs that were crashing alternately the frontend, and the entire machine, simply disappeared when I got fed up and blew away the database and reimported it

[08:11:36]

Dagmar:

I didn't change *anything*

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Zider:

my backend no longer starts because of some mysql problem.. but I don't bother to fix it, I don't need it anyway ;)

[08:12:30]

Dagmar:

...and the only thing even remotely I've been doing is about twice a month pulling the 0.whatever-fixes branch of SVN, packagizing and installing it

[08:12:44]

Dagmar:

er s/remotely/remotely fancy/;

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defaultro:

what is this folks when I recorded the analog? From mythbackend.log -> http://pastebin.ca/317098

[08:15:58]

quink:

is there a place on the mythtv website that describes/gives info about the internal mythtv video player?

[08:16:16]

defaultro:

so guys, did you see my pastebin?

[08:16:27]

defaultro:

could that be the reason why audio is failing?

[08:16:34]

Dagmar:

defaultro: Dude, how do you manage to come up with these incredibly bizarre errors?

[08:16:42]

defaultro:

what?

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Dagmar:

#

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Dagmar:

2007-01–15 02:13:12.827 Unknown video codec

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Dagmar:

#

[08:16:53]

Dagmar:

2007-01–15 02:13:12.827 Please go into the TV Settings, Recording Profiles and

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Dagmar:

#

[08:16:53]

Dagmar:

2007-01–15 02:13:12.828 setup the four 'Software Encoders' profiles.

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defaultro:

ok, what do i need to do

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Dagmar:

How did you get your database in such a state that you have to do that?

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defaultro:

I don't know, i just install mythtv from source

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defaultro:

that's all I do

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defaultro:

what step did i miss?

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Dagmar:

Could be anything

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defaultro:

but again, I don't have any issues with SD/HD recording, just analog

[08:18:24]

Dagmar:

Allow me to suggest that perhaps you should make a *script* that builds things, to reduce the number of things that could accidentally get overlooked

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defaultro:

ok

[08:18:38]

defaultro:

share it to me :)

[08:18:45]

Dagmar:

...and then manually declare everything to the configure script that seems important

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defaultro:

k

[08:19:16]

Dagmar:

...so that, should something important turn up missing, the configure will hopefully fail and get your attention

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defaultro:

k

[08:19:41]

defaultro:

understood

[08:19:52]

defaultro:

so for now, how do we fix that then?

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Dagmar:

Your last upgrade apparently lost support for something

[08:20:02]

defaultro:

ah

[08:20:08]

Dagmar:

There's no "we" in this. It's all you man.

[08:20:12]

defaultro:

should I svn upgrade and reinstalll

[08:20:17]

defaultro:

:)

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Dagmar:

I don't see that you have a whole lot of choice in the matter than to try grabbing fresh source (might as well get bugfixes while we're at it--this won't *fix* the problem) and looking for *anything fishy* showing up when you run configure

[08:21:32]

defaultro:

cool

[08:21:35]

defaultro:

I will do it now

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defaultro:

killing all myth apps

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defaultro:

;)

[08:22:12]

defaultro:

where you the one who also pinpoint the upnp?

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Dagmar:

By the way, this is one of those little things that could/would never happen if you were using a Hauppauge card

[08:22:24]

Dagmar:

s/card/PVR-series card/;

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defaultro:

ah

[08:22:58]

defaultro:

but actually, if I didn't know that the Fusion had analog capability, I wouln't have waste my time

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defaultro:

:)

[08:23:11]

defaultro:

it's working great on digital recording

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Dibblah:

defaultro: Be careful. ISTR there's a number of caveats with "combined" cards.

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Dibblah:

ie I'm not actually sure it works :)

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defaultro:

ISTR?

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psm321:

getting close!

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psm321:

at 1153 which is apparently a very slow one

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defaultro:

but yes, I do see some issues with it

[08:25:03]

defaultro:

when both are on same time, digital recordings wins the recording

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defaultro:

analog gets just noise

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defaultro:

LOL

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Dibblah:

O seem to recall.

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Dibblah:

I, even, of course.

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Dibblah:

psm321: Is that the move of recordedmarkup?

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Dibblah:

Can take a while...

[08:26:37]

defaultro:

what do you think about the revision i have, At revision 12537

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Dagmar:

Did you pull 0.20 or 0.20-fixes?

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Dagmar:

er s/0.20/trunk/;

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defaultro:

you know what, I will just redo everything from start

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defaultro:

not trunk

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defaultro:

i'm sure it's fixes

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Dagmar:

hahahahha

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defaultro:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-20-fixes/mythtv

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psm321:

Dibblah: i think so, seems to be changing the primary key and adding a recorded seek table

[08:30:01]

Dagmar:

#

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Dagmar:

2007-01–15 02:13:12.827 Unknown video codec

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Dagmar:

#

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Dagmar:

2007-01–15 02:13:12.827 Please go into the TV Settings, Recording Profiles and

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Dagmar:

#

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Dagmar:

!@#! mouse buttons.

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defaultro:

why did you paste that again?

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Dagmar:

Because generally codecs don't jsut up and disappear

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Zider:

sure they do! err.. ;)

[08:32:02]

Dibblah:

Actually, codecs aren't optional.

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psm321:

i think i may have to try as Dagmar says... a lot of my columns are the wrong types

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Dibblah:

... There's no way to select not to build with mpeg2, for example.

[08:34:13]

Dibblah:

psm321: Backup your database first, just in case there's something useful in there.

[08:34:23]

Dagmar:

Yep.. definitely back the thing up

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Dagmar:

You might well be able to reimport the data about the programs you've already recorded later (with a little massaging of the data)

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psm321:

yeah, i already have backups

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psm321:

the other thing i'm going to try before that is make sure its not a problem with mysql versions

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psm321:

because i also upgraded mysql

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Dagmar:

What version of MySQL to and from?"

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psm321:

(a new system install)

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psm321:

4.0.27 i think to 5.something

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Dagmar:

Euw

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Dibblah:

Pretty much any mysql version is OK.

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psm321:

5.0.26

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Dibblah:

Well, greater than 3.something, anyway.

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Dagmar:

If you followed their directions for upgrading between versions there shouldn't be a problem

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defaultro:

Dagmar, which table is actually altered that's related to the Recording Profiles?

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psm321:

i didnt, because it was a new system install

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Dagmar:

defaultro: I am supposed to know that how?

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psm321:

so i dont have access to the old install, just the files

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defaultro:

i see recordingproflies

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psm321:

so what i'm going to try next is install that old version

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defaultro:

ah

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Dibblah:

profilegroups, I think.

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psm321:

so a dump, then import it (which i believe is the recommended process)

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defaultro:

can someone please do this for me, select count(*) from recordingprofiles?

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Dagmar:

psm321: The only problem you should/could have with MySQL is that there might be a command or two to run on the database to make the new install sanity check it

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psm321:

defaultro: 41

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defaultro:

oh

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Dagmar:

psm321: Probably just running mysqlcheck on the database with 5.x installed should sort it

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defaultro:

that means, it's fine here then, i got 30

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psm321:

i ran the myisamcheck and mysqlcheck already

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psm321:

before i even tried running myth

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Dagmar:

OKay, then there's not likely any technical fault in MySQL

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psm321:

then somehow i skipped some schema updates or something (not sure how that would happen)

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psm321:

because i have solumns all the wrong width

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Dagmar:

I don't know how it could happen, either

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psm321:

columns

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Dagmar:

Unless there's something really broken in the code that executes the commands to do the incremental schema updates and it's not checking the return values from each command it runs

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defaultro:

i'm going to try the latest/greatest mythtv version

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defaultro:

i will record again now

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defaultro:

brb

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Dibblah:

defaultro: http://pastebin.ca/317115

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defaultro:

k

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Dibblah:

Dagmar: The only thing that's wrong with the schema update stuff is it's not doing it as a transaction, so it doesn't get rolled back in case of single failure.

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defaultro:

it's the same values I currently have

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psm321:

i'm going to try and see if i can dig up a really old version and find the original schema i started with

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psm321:

for example, my oldrecorded.title is varchar(43)

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Dibblah:

But doing it that way would be much more expensive in terms of disk usage during the upgrage.

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but it's not like database upgrades happen ever day

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psm321:

when update 1044 should have made it varchar(128) that is, if it ever was 43 in the first place

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defaultro:

so Dibblah, why did you pasted that for me?

[08:43:25]

defaultro:

where do we find database version number?

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Dagmar:

Perhaps it might become more obvious where things are breaking if it ran each update command and then looked at the response from the server

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psm321:

which i'm doubting, because 43 is a really odd number plus I had columns with default values larger than their widths

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Dibblah:

defaultro: In case it was useful ;)

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defaultro:

oh

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defaultro:

i still got the same issues

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defaultro:

2007-01–15 02:44:13.707 Unknown video codec

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defaultro:

2007-01–15 02:44:13.707 Please go into the TV Settings, Recording Profiles and

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defaultro:

2007-01–15 02:44:13.707 setup the four 'Software Encoders' profiles.

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psm321:

so my guess is either just plain corruption, or a version issue

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psm321:

i'm going to test those theories later today

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defaultro:

but guys, i'm able to see video but no audio

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Dibblah:

Dagmar: It doesn't continue on from an error.

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Dagmar:

defaultro: So have you done what it says?

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psm321:

and i'll report back in here if anyone is interested

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defaultro:

i will do it now

[08:45:25]

defaultro:

i first tried your upgrade suggestion

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Dibblah:

Good luck, psm321...

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psm321:

thanks!

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defaultro:

I went to the Recording Profiles and I saw 4 software encoders

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defaultro:

Myth is giving me false information

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defaultro:

and also, the latest mythtv is executing firewire change channel every 2 second

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kormoc:

recording profiles != number of cards

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defaultro:

I said, 4 software encoders

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defaultro:

and when I went inside, I saw Default, LiveTV, High Quality and Low quality

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defaultro:

they are not cards I guess

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kormoc:

how is that 'false' information?

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defaultro:

you're late kormoc

[08:51:45]

defaultro:

look at this info

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Paladine:

http://www.dailytech.com/The+First+BitTorrent . . . icle5678.htm

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defaultro:

kormoc, http://pastebin.ca/317098

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defaultro:

2007-01–15 02:13:12.827 Please go into the TV Settings, Recording Profiles and

[08:52:38]

defaultro:

2007-01–15 02:13:12.828 setup the four 'Software Encoders' profiles

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defaultro:

those lines

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kormoc:

yeah, okay?

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defaultro:

i got it from mythbackend

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defaultro:

it's because, i'm not able to record audio

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defaultro:

analog recording

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defaultro:

i get the video

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kormoc:

what's not clear about that?

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Paladine:

morning juski

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defaultro:

it's a fusion HDTV card that has analog capability

[08:54:03]

defaultro:

what's not clear is that, it is telling me to set it up

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defaultro:

but it's already there

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kormoc:

defaultro, I know that... what's the problem about going into the recording profiles and seeing those

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kormoc:

defaultro, you need to enter into all four of those and go to the finish, tis all

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defaultro:

i did it

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defaultro:

but still failed

[08:54:46]

defaultro:

still no sound

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kormoc:

defaultro, you might need to remove the card and re-add it

[08:54:54]

juski:

morning Paladine. interesting home fabbing stuff you brought up last night

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psm321:

the oldest copy of myth i have lying around (jan 05) has bigger columns, so its gotta be corruption or incompatibility

[08:55:02]

defaultro:

I can do that

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defaultro:

that's a good idea

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Paladine:

yeah, but in fareness, I didn't bring it up I don't think, someone else mentioned it

[08:55:28]

Paladine:

or maybe I mentioned it first, can't remember

[08:55:32]

Paladine:

it is pretty cool though

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defaultro:

do I need to rescan channels?

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kormoc:

psm321, it's likely corruption, might be better to just dump the tables you like and start over for the rest

[08:56:03]

kormoc:

defaultro, you might

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defaultro:

ouch

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Paladine:

man I hate exams

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defaultro:

so do you there is a high chance that analog audio recording will be fixed?

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defaultro:

oops

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juski:

just gonna do a DSL install then head to work

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defaultro:

s/so do you/so do you think/

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kormoc:

defaultro, nope, given you can't tell if the card is even outputting audio

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Paladine:

juski. I gots an exam in like 25 minutes

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juski:

whoah

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juski:

good luck with that :)

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Paladine:

been up all night too

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defaultro:

kormoc, no audio issues when playing HD recorded shows

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juski:

up all night revising I hope

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Paladine:

cheers, I should be ok

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defaultro:

only those that were analog shows

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kormoc:

defaultro, HD are done as mpeg-2 streams, so the audio is inside the video stream, not so with analog grabbers

[08:58:32]

Paladine:

just wish I had some clue what was going to be on the paper

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defaultro:

yep, that's what I thought too

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kormoc:

defaultro, so hd audio working means nothing at all about the card capturing audio or outputting it correctly

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Paladine:

have to answer 2 out 3 questions and the subject is IT Strategies in Organisations

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Paladine:

its a huge subject

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defaultro:

ok

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Paladine:

so it is anyone's guess what the poaper will

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defaultro:

so do you think, removing and adding it again will hopefuly fix it?

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juski:

organisations have strategies? will somebody tell the company I work for?

[08:59:30]

Paladine:

it was supposed to be a night of revising

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defaultro:

but i can do it again

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defaultro:

not now since it's 3am here :D

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Paladine:

but I took a 20 minute break at 2am which lasted til like 7

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kormoc:

defaultro, honestly, no. I think you need to hook up headphones to the audio out of the card and make sure it's outputting audio, if it is, then fix your mixer settings, else get a new card

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Paladine:

registered a cool domain for my book though :)

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Paladine:

so I didn't completely waste the 5 hours ;)

[09:00:06]

juski:

Paladine: well, I've always thought if you don't know it by this stage...

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defaultro:

ah

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defaultro:

kormoc, I remember, I connected a wire from speaker out to my receiver and it was working

[09:00:32]

Paladine:

altdotworld.com :)

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defaultro:

but then, I was able to make it work via spdif

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defaultro:

i will try this route first

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defaultro:

i found a headphone :)

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kormoc:

defaultro, need to hook those up to the cd out of the card, for all you know the cd out is just broken

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psm321:

that and configuring audio input capture can be tricky (took me forever on my first install... for some reason it seems simpler this time)

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kormoc:

psm321, he said that it used to work and just stopped one day, which is why I'm thinking there is a small chance it could be bum hardware, but it is likely just mixer settings

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psm321:

yeah i had that happen with a gentoo alsa upgrade

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doc_:

hi there

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qu0zl:

anybody know what's happening here? – I try and play a 44,1khz mp3 through mythmusic using alsa out to iec958, but get this error: AudioOutput Error: Rate doesn't match (requested 44100Hz, got 48000Hz)

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qu0zl:

i can play the mp3's via alsa/iec958 just fine from xmms

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Tuomaz:

qu0zl: try to use ALSA:spdif instead of iec958

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Tuomaz:

qu0zl: alsa needs to down/up-sample the audio to match the iec958 hardware

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qu0zl:

thanks Tuomaz I'll give that a try when I get home this evening

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Tuomaz:

qu0zl: if it doesn't work, maybe there isn't a 'spdif' software-plug configured in your alsa, then you need to read/search the alsa documentation on how to create one

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Zider:

aplay -L should show thatI believe

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qu0zl:

will do, i thought iec958 was practically a synonym for spdif. I take it I was wrong :)

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qu0zl:

ahh good, i do have a spdif configured

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Zider:

qu0zl: do you have a .asoundrc set up for your system?

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qu0zl:

i haven't made one by hand, nope. but it does work in other programs than mythmusic

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qu0zl:

mythtv itself works fine with it too

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adante:

anybody using the svn mythweb?

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adante:

just wondering what those spiffy new stream/download buttons were and how to get them working

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psm321:

Dagmar,Dibblah: it's a mysql upgrade issue... looks fine in the old version (a new copy of the old version at that)... whats odd is i tried the official upgrade path with the checkers and everything and they dont see a problem

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psm321:

now i need to decide whether to upgrade myth schema first or dump/reimport to new mysql first (or maybe not upgrade mysql at all)

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psm321:

thanks for all your help, good night

[10:02:15]

Dagmar:

Weirdness

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Tuomaz:

adante: i'm using svn, haven't tried the stream buttons, but I have problems with guide data

[10:11:22]

adante:

Tuomaz: what sort of problems?

[10:11:31]

Tuomaz:

mythfilldatabase runs fine, but I can only see 2 days in mythweb and the program guide in mythfrontend

[10:12:03]

Tuomaz:

adante: do you use xmltv?

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adante:

Tuomaz: yeah

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Tuomaz:

Guide data works fine for you?

[10:12:44]

Tuomaz:

You can browse more than 2 days?

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adante:

yeah easily.. got a week

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adante:

Tuomaz: how's your sql?whats in the programs tabl

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adante:

e

[10:14:15]

Tuomaz:

there is a *lot* of data

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Tuomaz:

25045 rows...

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adante:

wow

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adante:

how many channels dyou have?

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Tuomaz:

maybe around 20 that gets guide data from xmltv

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Tuomaz:

I have no clue what can go wrong.

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adante:

so all channels are full for 2 days?

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Tuomaz:

no, I haven't had time do debug alot yet

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adante:

well maybe try that

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Tuomaz:

strange is that it worked on p12325

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adante:

the fact that it's populating at all suggests it seems to be working, but i can't think of a reason why it would only popular 2 days

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Tuomaz:

which is unstable on Gentoo tat I used before

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adante:

that's me out of ideas sorry.. anyway i have to go have dinner

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adante:

bbl

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Dibblah:

Tuomaz: Are you running current SVN?

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Dibblah:

Or past R12499...

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pilly:

anyone running svn and got mythweb to stream with authdigest? I got the digest part going but I cannot connect to a stream even from localhost.

[10:35:59]

Tuomaz:

Dibblah: yes

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Dibblah:

Your grabber is probably broken.

[10:38:16]

Dibblah:

See the comment on that commit...

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Dibblah:

And read -commits if you're using SVN ;)

[10:41:47]

Tuomaz:

Dibblah: I have read that one, but if I understood it correctly se_swedb should not be broken.

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Tuomaz:

Dibblah: I do.

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Tuomaz:

:-)

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Tuomaz:

Dibblah: probably I'm wrong and my grabber is broken.

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Tuomaz:

Anyone knows much about character encodings and MythTV?

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Tuomaz:

I have problems with åäö in the program guide and osd.

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** juski signs http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/ **

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Merlin83b:

DItto

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** Dibblah looks at http://www.lovecelery.co.uk **

[11:13:23]

Merlin83b:

Thanks for the reminder, been meaning to do that.

[11:13:33]

juski:

the canteen at Celestica used to put celery in EVERYTHING. I've tried to stay away from celery since then

[11:14:10]

juski:

chicken curry, with potatoes & celery. (puke)

[11:14:20]

juski:

lasgne, with celery

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rsdvd:

celery is the only vegetable that takes more caleries to eat then it actually provides – the perfect health food

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Dibblah:

Celery goes nicely in mince.

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juski:

but it's MINGING

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juski:

:)

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Dibblah:

rsdvd: It's actually _very_ marginal.

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Dibblah:

You're better off eating ice.

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rsdvd:

lol......true but no way near as tasty

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Dibblah:

Okay, flavored ice.

[11:15:36]

Dibblah:

Or... A frozen celery drink!

[11:15:48]

Dibblah:

Quick, jeeves! To the patent office!

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rsdvd:

lol

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juski:

bet it'd sell better than Liptonice :-P

[11:16:38]

juski:

mm ice cold tea drinks.. blech

[11:19:31]

juski:

I was thinking about how ntl's terms & conditions are a bit stupid earlier

[11:20:08]

juski:

a condition of them being able to have carte blanche & dig up roads to install cables was that they'd put terrestrial rf on the cable

[11:20:37]

juski:

and you're allegedly supposed to be able to connect a tv because of that condition.

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Dibblah:

... However, you're not allowed to plug anything but NTL equipment in.

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juski:

so what's the point in that?

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juski:

they provide a port but not allow you to plug stuff in?

[11:21:39]

Dibblah:

Well, if it wasn't for these damn pirates, it would be peachy.

[11:22:01]

Dibblah:

Actually, the old STB used to have a RF out port.

[11:22:07]

juski:

and all the ntl cable theives

[11:22:17]

juski:

theives of ntl boxes I mean

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juski:

selling em on ebay

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Dibblah:

Anyone tried 4od?

[11:23:29]

Dibblah:

Hint: Don't bother.

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juski:

4od?

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Dibblah:

4 on demand.

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juski:

on dribble?

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juski:

OD just crashes my set top box

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Dibblah:

No – Web.

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juski:

ah so it IS on dribble then

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Dibblah:

http://www.channel4.com/4od/

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juski:

windows only player?

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Dibblah:

Of course.

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Dibblah:

XP, WMP9.

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juski:

sometimes I think to hell with drm – just open everything & if you catch anybody sharing just throw the book at them

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Dibblah:

£1 for some shows. DRM limits are silly.

[11:27:44]

Dibblah:

768x432, 1Mbps. You can imagine how bad it looks.

[11:27:46]

juski:

this is whyso many folks are backing IPTV

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juski:

revenue!

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juski:

iptv is a great idea but it won't be free for long

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quicksilver:

I think juski has got the right idea

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quicksilver:

it's bloody hard to solve legal problems with software/hardware

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quicksilver:

solve legal problems with laws

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orko_:

Hi. I need some help i undestanding fine tuning tv channels.

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orko_:

If i try to fine tune a channel in mythtv-setup i can not see my changes because mythfrontend is not running.

[11:30:22]

juski:

or mythbackend even

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juski:

use mythweb

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orko_:

can i run both and directly see if my changes work?

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juski:

you'd have to make the change in mythweb, then change channel away & back again

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orko_:

This is not possibel using mythtv-setup and mythfrontend

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juski:

nope

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orko_:

ok, thanks. next question,-)

[11:32:13]

orko_:

i want the gp work. All my channels after a automatic scan are named channel S5 channel S3 etcetc.

[11:32:27]

orko_:

is there no automatic convertion to the real channel name?

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orko_:

it is anoiing to start frontend watch the channel write doen the name und then ru setup to change the channels name.

[11:33:37]

juski:

you can change the channel name with mythweb aswell

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juski:

or with mythfrontend's channel editor

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Dibblah:

That is editable in the frontend. Something Daniel worked on not that long ago...

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orko_:

ok. cool. did not find it yet

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juski:

in livetv you can bring that up with E IIRC

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orko_:

cool, thanks

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juski:

it's one of those documented features nobody reads about

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orko_:

If i change a channels name, lets say to BBC then i have to look in the epg script that the name is the same? so thatepg data is used?

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Dibblah:

What on earth does 'probe' do? :)

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Paladine:

well that exam uber sucked

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Dibblah:

Paladine: Time to go to bed :)

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Paladine:

no spliff first :)

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orko_:

Thansk you helped me very much. i will try and come back for more if it does not work as i hope.

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orko_:

cu

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Paladine:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v141/jumaduke/notmykids.jpg

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juski:

Paladine: is that work safe?

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Dibblah:

Yes.

[11:43:07]

Paladine:

yes

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Paladine:

very

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juski:

roffles!

[11:43:12]

Paladine:

and incredibly funny

[11:43:38]

juski:

would be funnier if the tv was a plasma, but still .. :)

[11:43:49]

Paladine:

especially since the tv in thebackground is identical to our old tv, the babies toy to the left of the tv is identical to one of our son's favourite toys and the wooden flooring is identical to ours

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Paladine:

I thought I was looking at our lounge first time I saw the pic

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juski:

lol

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juski:

5200 with no svideo? eh?

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Tuomaz:

What happend with the Summer of Code projects from last year? Was anyone succesful?

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juski:

one or two coders stayed on to finish what they'd started but not finished

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juski:

other than that it was er.. what's the word... hmmm...

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Dibblah:

No?

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juski:

do any SoC projects ever get finished?

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juski:

anyway, none of the mythtv ones have made it – and most are not likely to

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orko_:

Hi. Back again.

[12:10:51]

juski:

oh ffs.. f I want to play a DVD through the mythtv menus – does it play back using my PVR150 card or through the normal video card?

[12:10:59]

juski:

thread deleted

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orko_:

Right now is use a PVR350. I use the TV-Out to have mythtv on my tv. i want to buy a simple tv card to watch tv while pvr is recording.

[12:12:09]

Dibblah:

The settings revamp stuff appeared to have some work done in ot...

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orko_:

can i use the pvr tv-out for watching while pvr is recording?

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juski:

orko_: yeah

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Dibblah:

orko_: Yes.

[12:12:46]

Dibblah:

However, I probably wouldn't bother.

[12:13:17]

Dibblah:

I'm a great fan of using the same setup as the majority of Myth users.

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juski:

I can no longer be bothered to reel off the spiel about the pvr350 decoder becoming unsupported at some point in the near future

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Dibblah:

- Nvidia card with video out, sell the 350, buy a 500.

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juski:

heh sell up before mythtv stops supporting it altogether

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orko_:

but nvidia card does not have a mpeg2 decoder chip

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Dibblah:

500s tend to have less problems anyway, due to the tightly integrated PCI bridge.

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juski:

so?

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orko_:

so my 800mhz cpu will egt into trouble.

[12:14:56]

juski:

orko_: nah

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Dibblah:

No, it probably won't.

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orko_:

watching livetv and recording at the same time work?

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juski:

my 733mhz celery frontend is just fine

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Dibblah:

And the NVidia closed source driver supports XVMC.

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Dibblah:

Which is mpeg2 accelleration.

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juski:

orko_: if you're not encoding the video with software, recording doesn't take any CPU

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Dibblah:

Although I wouldn't recommend that either ;)

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Dibblah:

Nothing but trouble every time I enable it.

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Dagmar:

It's very tetchy

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Dagmar:

Make one wrong move and NO VIDEO FOR J))

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qu0zl:

ooh, i finally got around to putting in my mpeg2 encoding mini-pci card at the weekend :) It just worked! So i've got three tv tuners now

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Dagmar:

s/J))/J00/;

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qu0zl:

cool little thing, it's pretty tiny

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juski:

qu0zl: what make/model?

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orko_:

i thought my finale setup to be the pvr350 and a nova . Using tv-out of the pvr to watch everything on tv.

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qu0zl:

yuan mpvc something

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juski:

qu0zl: put some definitive info up somewhere

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qu0zl:

ivtv detected it straight off as i have ivtv configured for a pvr500

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qu0zl:

will do

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qu0zl:

it's a nifty card

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qu0zl:

basically a pvr150 in mini-pci form factor

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Paladine:

juski I wonder if appletv will be hackable to linux + mythfrontend

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qu0zl:

i also switched to blootube at the weekend, very nice work juski

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juski:

Paladine: nope

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Paladine:

it is running a 1GHz Intel Pentium M and an NVidia G72M 64MB graphics

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juski:

and anyway who cares if it won't play non-apple and also won't do 1080i

[12:20:22]

Paladine:

so it shouldbe possible

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jduggan:

wonder how a quad xeon 700mhz w/2gig ram will cope as a backend

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jduggan:

:o

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Paladine:

should be overkill

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jduggan:

200quid, cant go wrong

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Dibblah:

Please, for the good of the planet, chuck the Xeons.

[12:22:17]

jduggan:

wots wrong with xeons

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juski:

I can think of better things to spend Â£200 on

[12:22:28]

jduggan:

juski: like?

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Paladine:

200 quid will buy me a lot of erb

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Dibblah:

They _eat_ electricity.

[12:22:36]

juski:

like half a mac mini :)

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orko_:

Is having much RAM commendable

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juski:

orko_: at least 512MB

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Dagmar:

More RAM is almost always a good thing

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juski:

jduggan: the 1st Q leccy bill will be almost that alone

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juski:

orko_: for a frontend, yes

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juski:

512MB is enough

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jduggan:

juski: hehe

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orko_:

as both

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juski:

as both? forget it

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orko_:

want to build a maschien that runs front and backend

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qu0zl:

orko_, i did fe/be in 512mb on a via without any problems.

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Dibblah:

Unless you use some of these newfangled themes... Some of them are hungry :)

[12:24:35]

Dagmar:

Like the docs say, 256Mb per tuner, if you're doing software encoding.

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Paladine:

I run frontend, backend and my desktop on 2GB 3200

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juski:

you need some smarts about you to build a dual tuner system with epia in small cases

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Dagmar:

If you're doing hardware encoding, then 256Mb will probably do

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orko_:

why?

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juski:

orko_: heat

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juski:

and the big scheduler query can cause playback pauses every now & again

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Merlin83b:

Damn BFSQ!

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Merlin83b:

If you're doing EIT, now and again is every few minutes.

[12:25:58]

Merlin83b:

I wish I had time to work on that.

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qu0zl:

i moved from a via fanless to a pentium-m fanless. definitely prefere the pentium M orko_

[12:26:15]

orko_:

what board?

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juski:

epia is much better at being a frontend

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qu0zl:

the extra processing power makes everything easier

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qu0zl:

commell lv-675d orko_

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qu0zl:

it's only fanless because of the case though, from tranquilpc.co.uk

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orko_:

My main goal is silence/fanless to have it in my livingroom without disturbing noise.

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Merlin83b:

But for the BFSQ, my Epia M10k with 512MB RAM makes a lovely combined be/fe

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qu0zl:

mine too orko_ . only noise is the hd click sometimes

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Merlin83b:

Yep, Tranquil here.

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orko_:

what dvd drive do you use. aren't they noisy too?

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juski:

dvd drive.. noisy? what?

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Dagmar:

nope

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qu0zl:

it's a laptop drive, they're pretty quiet, but i don't watch many dvd's tbh

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juski:

mine only makes a noise at spinout

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juski:

spinup even

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Dagmar:

Stop buying incredibly cheap DVD units if you're having noise issues

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orko_:

The one in my desktop PC is very loud when rotating

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qu0zl:

laptop ones are quieter, and you can get a decent one

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** juski has a laptop drive **

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jduggan:

how would one mount a laptop drive in a regular cdrom bay

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jduggan:

do you get special fascias?

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** juski goes to RTFM on the IEGD **

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qu0zl:

probably can get an adaptor, but i've a laptop drive bay

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jduggan:

ic

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juski:

silverstone lc02 ftw

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juski:

wouldn't use it for anything more than an epia though

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orko_:

qu0lz: your board does not need a fan? does it use heatpipes or just normal coolers.

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Merlin83b:

Tranquil T2 ftw

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juski:

no airflow!!!!!

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qu0zl:

traquil t2e orko_ . heat-pipe to a large aluminium heatsink built into the side of the case

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Paladine:

anyone know if you can use the xbox 360 hd dvd drive with linux?

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juski:

I thought about tranquil then I saw a mac mini

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qu0zl:

the heatsink is 1kg or so i think

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juski:

Paladine: of course you can't. don't be silly

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qu0zl:

have to buy a motherboard they've made heat-sinks for though if you use that case

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Paladine:

juski, well it works with windows

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juski:

the drm hasn't been uncrippled yet for one thing

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Paladine:

just wondered if there was a linux hackk for it yet

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qu0zl:

Yuan MPC622 card (cx23416 based) Juski. it totally is a pvr150, same chips even far as i can see

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juski:

when there is, whoever does it wll not pass go, collect $200.. he'll be straight off to Guantanamo

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qu0zl:

nice weather there this time of year though

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Paladine:

juski, aaac already got "cracked"

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Zider:

juski: like that decss-thingie guy?

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Paladine:

doom9 guys figured it out this weekend, it has been all over the web

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Paladine:

serenity hd dvd rip went onto torrent sites yesterday

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Paladine:

19.6GB native evo rip

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Dibblah:

Cracked is a matter for debate.

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Paladine:

thats why I used quotes :p

[12:33:41]

Dibblah:

One software player master key has been discovered.

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Paladine:

they have figured out how to find the volume keys

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Paladine:

no not at all

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Dibblah:

Which will be revoked at the next disc issue.

[12:34:02]

Paladine:

it is the volume and title keys they have managed to find

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Dibblah:

No, it's not.

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Paladine:

yes it is

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Dibblah:

They decrypt the volume and title keys with the master key.

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Paladine:

from what I was reading they debugged the memory being used by the player and found the keys

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Paladine:

but then I was stoned when I read it and could have misinterpretted what it was saying

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quicksilver:

news at 11: debuggers made illegal for general public, 'programming' only allowed in government-licensed laboratories

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Dibblah:

However, this is not anywhere near the CSS level of broken.

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orko_:

i heard harddrives with lower urpm are quiter?

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Zider:

usually yes

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tcpsyn:

that would make sense

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tcpsyn:

quieter and slower.

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orko_:

But can be used for mythtv?

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quicksilver:

sure

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quicksilver:

mind you you have to have a very quiet system for hard drive noise to be the loudest part

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Zider:

solid state drives has 0 rpm and 0 noise ;)

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tcpsyn:

aye.

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Dibblah:

Can be. I'd recommend Seagate Barracudas, however.

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moh:

Zider: but rather expensive :-)

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quicksilver:

good modern 7.2krpm drives can be pretty quiet

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Zider:

moh: naaah ;)

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** moh had a 32GB 2.5" the other day **

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orko_:

quicksilver : target is that hd or dvd drives are the loudest art of the system-)

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Paladine:

there are very easy ways to make them almost silent too

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Paladine:

like bungy mounting

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moh:

I think the price tag on it was $15k

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Dibblah:

bungie, even.

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tcpsyn:

32 gigs?

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tcpsyn:

15k?

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tcpsyn:

thats absurd.

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Zider:

15k?

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Zider:

ah

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moh:

tcpsyn: but its 2.5" solid state SATA. :-)

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Zider:

well

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Zider:

solid state istheshit

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Dibblah:

It's not that bad, Zider.

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tcpsyn:

I work for emc. I'm sure they've got some crazy stuff in the labs.

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Zider:

and even more interesting with the new flash technologies

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Paladine:

I wouldn't mind Eve Online's solid state fileservers

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Paladine:

they got some seriously cool shit

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Zider:

solid state in a file server?

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Zider:

sounds more stupid than cool

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Paladine:

the found an improvement of 1000% switching from serial drives to solid state

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tcpsyn:

there isn't much louder than a lab full of symmetrixs

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Zider:

it must be doing one hell of a lot of searching then

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Paladine:

Zidder, they are running some really cool IBM servers and all their live servers are solid state

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Zider:

"serial drives" btw? you mean, as in ordinary disc based?

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Paladine:

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/12/01/eve_solid_state/ <- blows other mmorpgs tech out of the water

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Zider:

how are they serial compared to SSD?

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juski:

anyway I think if you really want media to be playable on linux it'd overall be best not to buy into the new crippled hardware at all

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Paladine:

zider, serial as in serial ata instead of parallel ata :p

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tcpsyn:

I'm happy with my plain pata drives.

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Zider:

Paladine: but parallell/serial ata has nothing to do with SSD

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Paladine:

I never said they did

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Zider:

"switching from serial drives to solid state"

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Paladine:

I said they got a 100% increase in performance from ssd over serial drives

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Paladine:

as in sata drives

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Dibblah:

LIRC hasn't changed it's major / minor numbers recently, has it?

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Paladine:

1000%

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Paladine:

"

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Paladine:

"

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Paladine:

I was wrong 4000% performance boost

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Zider:

it should read "from ssd over ordinary rotating-disc hard drives"

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orko_:

Is it possible to watch tv and record another channel with the pvr350?

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juski:

no

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Paladine:

this was over a year ago too

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Paladine:

wonder what they are running in there now

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Zider:

it's not like they just removed the old drives and plugged in SSD instead

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Paladine:

they had 150 blade servers back then

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Zider:

they changed the whole system

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orko_:

because it uses cable. most cable vhs.rcorders can record channel that i do not watch? is it because they have own tuner build in ?

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moh:

orko_: correct

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Paladine:

ssd drives will be viable for the domestic market inside of 3 years I think (at a reasonable price)

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orko_:

so a buying a additional tv card , lika a nova card, would be a good solution for me? Can i then watch mythtv lifetv and record?

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Zider:

imo SSD isn't interesting until they get the new flash technologies going

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juski:

damn! IEGD 6.1 doesn't support the chipset in the s100. bah

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GreyFoxx:

juski: Really they removed the focus support ?

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Dagmar:

Those cheap bastards

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juski:

GreyFoxx: no but their release notes don't include 815 or 815E chipsets

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juski:

maybe the OSS driver folks have worked out the port control stuff

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orko_:

Has ynbody of you experience with fanless power supplies?

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Dagmar:

They always taste a little stale

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Paladine:

you can get sub 20dB PSU's nowadays

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Dibblah:

Okay. This is very odd. I'm getting ENODEV from cat /dev/lirc/0

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rsdvd:

juski : have you tried the 6.1 IEGD or are you going by the release notes?

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Dibblah:

lirc_mceusb2 and lirc_dev are both loaded.

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juski:

rsdvd: going by release notes

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orko_:

do they work ok or may i get into trouble

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juski:

I'm getting bored with not getting anywhere with this now

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rsdvd:

ok – I was wondering if it still might work

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spyro_boy:

Hello, is anyone using Debian here?

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Paladine:

orko_ you shouldn't need fanless you can get quiet ones with fans

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Paladine:

20dB is bugger all

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Paladine:

you would be struggling to hear it over ambiant background noise

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juski:

you would probably not hear it over ambient noise

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Paladine:

iirc the average ambiant noise is between 20–30dB but I would have to look it up

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Paladine:

thats in a quiet room

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Paladine:

average voice is around 65dB iirc

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spyro_boy:

I'm using a DebianAMD64 system and I installed mythtv yesterday from apt-get, and I got a configuration screen from that and I inputted some incorrect data to the login configuration of mysql to the config, any idea how to bring that config back up or reconfigure it?

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Paladine:

at normal talking volume

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Dagmar:

spyro_boy: you run mythtv-setup again

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spyro_boy:

Dagmar, I get errors

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Dagmar:

Man that's just awful

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Dagmar:

It's a shame no one knows what those errors are

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Paladine:

just go into mysql and change the database to match your myth setup settings :)

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spyro_boy:

I know, thats why I went to fetch-em.

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Dagmar:

So, you're saying that you can't run mythtv-setup a second time

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spyro_boy:

Paladine, I tried that and I surprizingly still have that error.

[13:02:35]

spyro_boy:

Dagmar, yes.

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Paladine:

did you flush the priveledges?

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spyro_boy:

hmm..

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spyro_boy:

probably not

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spyro_boy:

I've never heard of "flushing the privilages"

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spyro_boy:

How do I do that?

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Dagmar:

You should probably edit ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt manually then

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Paladine:

when you make changes to the user table or grant table you should always flush privs

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spyro_boy:

hmm..

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Dagmar:

Paladine: He didn't manually configure that

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Paladine:

he said he edited the mysql database

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Paladine:

to try and fix it

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spyro_boy:

yeah

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spyro_boy:

I did

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Paladine:

so he did manually configure

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Dagmar:

Then he can go and manually edit the database again

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spyro_boy:

What database?

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Paladine:

but if made changes to the user or grant table, he needs to flush the priveleges

[13:05:28]

Dagmar:

He has no idea what the hell he did

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Paladine:

hehehe

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Dibblah:

Paladine: Isn't that mysql 2 or older?

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Dagmar:

spyro_boy: To recap, you ran mythtv-setup and gave it the wrong information for logging into MySQL, correct?

[13:06:05]

Paladine:

Dibblah, wellit is in the mysql 5 manual

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Paladine:

so I don't think so :p

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spyro_boy:

Dagmar, I've never ran mythtv-setup, apt-get brought a configuration screen up.

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Paladine:

ahhhh

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spyro_boy:

I could only assume it was mythtv-setup

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Dibblah:

"The reason for using FLUSH PRIVILEGES when you create accounts with INSERT is to tell the server to re-read the grant tables. Otherwise, the changes go unnoticed until you restart the server. With GRANT, FLUSH PRIVILEGES is unnecessary."

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Paladine:

see this is why I don;t use the ubu package for mythtv

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Paladine:

it always screws up on the mysql part

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Paladine:

Iinstall mysql first, then I make-deps then I build from svn

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spyro_boy:

Paladine, naw.. the reason it fucked up was because I didn't have mysql installed at the time of the configure

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spyro_boy:

I had postgresql

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Paladine:

man that must have hurt downgrading to mysql

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spyro_boy:

uh

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spyro_boy:

Not really

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spyro_boy:

I never used postgresql

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Paladine:

oh

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Paladine:

well postgres is nice

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Paladine:

nicer than mysql :)

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spyro_boy:

oh

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Dibblah:

Oh no – Not the holy war again :)

[13:08:36]

spyro_boy:

indeed it is

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Paladine:

its not a holy war

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Paladine:

its fact

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Paladine:

postgres is way more scalable than mysql

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spyro_boy:

Yeah

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Paladine:

contains more sql features

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spyro_boy:

I've heard that in many places.

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Paladine:

and is more resource efficient

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Paladine:

there is no dispute

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Paladine:

mysql is great

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Paladine:

but it doesn't compare with postgres

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spyro_boy:

postgresql might be better?

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spyro_boy:

:P

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Paladine:

its like comparing a ferrari to a ford focus

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Paladine:

both are good cars

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spyro_boy:

lol

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Paladine:

both get high reviews and have strong customer loyalty

[13:10:14]

Paladine:

but they are in two completely different leagues

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Paladine:

and I'd rather have the ferrari

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spyro_boy:

god damn this shit

[13:11:05]

spyro_boy:

I'm trying to get tthat config back up

[13:11:07]

spyro_boy:

but I can't

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Paladine:

its like 50% cocoa solid chocolate versus 90% cocoa solid chocolate

[13:11:17]

Paladine:

they are bothnice

[13:11:18]

Paladine:

but

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spyro_boy:

..

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Paladine:

well clearly 90% wins

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Paladine:

ok can you login to the mysql database?

[13:12:04]

spyro_boy:

That's like saying

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Paladine:

from the command line I mean

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spyro_boy:

yes

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spyro_boy:

with root

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Paladine:

k is the mythtv user added?

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spyro_boy:

I'd think so

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** spyro_boy tries **

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Paladine:

check

[13:13:16]

spyro_boy:

Yes

[13:13:16]

Paladine:

use database users;

[13:13:18]

spyro_boy:

It logs in

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Paladine:

k

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Paladine:

so you just need to change the password for mythtv user to the password you set in mythtv-setup

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spyro_boy:

which is?

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spyro_boy:

I put blank there

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Paladine:

well I don;t know what you set it to in mythtv-setup

[13:14:20]

spyro_boy:

it asked for the root password

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spyro_boy:

so I put blank, because I didn't have mysql installed

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Paladine:

so set the password for mythtv user in mysql to ""

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Dagmar:

*sigh*

[13:14:54]

Paladine:

did you tell mythtv-setup to use root user or mythtv user?

[13:15:01]

Dagmar:

spyro_boy: Do you know what the password and user is in mysql?

[13:15:19]

spyro_boy:

Dagmar, yes. I've done lots of mysql work.

[13:15:20]

Dagmar:

i.e., what password and username did you put into mysql for Myth to use

[13:15:31]

Dagmar:

OKay, so just stick that into the mysql.txt file manually then

[13:15:35]

Paladine:

Dagmar, we are going in loops ;p

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Dagmar:

It'll be in the ~/.mythtv/ directory of the user you ran mythtv-setup as (probably root)

[13:15:56]

spyro_boy:

..

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spyro_boy:

that exists?

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Dagmar:

Paladine: Yes, because someone is telling him to do it the hard way

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Paladine:

it isn't the hard way

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Dagmar:

spyro_boy: yes. It's how the frontend knows where to find the database server

[13:16:13]

Paladine:

just a different way :p

[13:16:48]

Dagmar:

spyro_boy: Literally both the frontend and the backend read that file, and it tells them where the database is as well as what login and password to use. The frontend and backend both get all their other settings from the databasse

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Dagmar:

Just a dinky little plaintext file.

[13:17:26]

spyro_boy:

Dagmar, I changed that sql.txt to the user and password and still errors out

[13:17:29]

spyro_boy:

the same error

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Dagmar:

*IF* the person that made that deb got all "progressive" about it and made the scripts store it elsewhere, use `find / -name mysql.txt` to find it

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spyro_boy:

oh wait

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spyro_boy:

I made a typo, so I fixed it and now I have this error:

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** spyro_boy rafbs it **

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toad_:

can i activate transcoding from the command line? i've told it to transcode everything, but it seems to commflag, then stop, apparently because a few files have noise in them and it doesn't like that

[13:18:47]

spyro_boy:

What does that mean?

[13:18:57]

spyro_boy:

should I create that database?

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Paladine:

yeah

[13:19:12]

spyro_boy:

alright

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Paladine:

create database mythconverg;

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toad_:

can i just do mythtranscode <filename> ?

[13:19:26]

toad_:

will it automatically update the database when it's done?

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spyro_boy:

omg

[13:19:38]

spyro_boy:

it works

[13:19:40]

spyro_boy:

I think

[13:20:29]

spyro_boy:

it seems to work now

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Paladine:

grats

[13:20:36]

spyro_boy:

Thanks for the help.

[13:20:45]

spyro_boy:

I didn't know there was a .mythtv directory

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Paladine:

its hidden ;p

[13:21:15]

spyro_boy:

There was the shared directory of mythtv or something with the sql.txt also

[13:22:22]

spyro_boy:

Oh--well

[13:22:31]

spyro_boy:

Thanks for the help again! Seeya!

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Paladine:

too late

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juski:

how long does it take to find out that mythtv-database had randomised the mythtv mysql user's password anyway?

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Paladine:

it shouldn't be able to if you set up the grant table properly

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snappe:

hi

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snappe:

anyone know how to make mythweb show celcius in weather?

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juski:

snappe: yeah edit the php files

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Ruleke:

hello folks

[13:26:29]

snappe:

wow cool

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** Ruleke curses the mythtv channel scanner again :-/ **

[13:27:40]

snappe:

cat /dev/nul >> /var/www/mythweb/modules/weather/handler.php ?

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snappe:

or maybe

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_tripppy:

anyone got a good howto on getting mythweb working?

[13:28:03]

spyro_boy:

oh god, why do I end up crawling back?

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snappe:

cat /dev/nul >> /vmlinuz

[13:28:26]

snappe:

cos thats how helpful your suggestion is

[13:28:28]

spyro_boy:

Paladine, hey uh.. root@britestar:~# /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend

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juski:

snappe: if mythweather is set to use SI units, your mythweb data should be in 'C

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spyro_boy:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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Ruleke:

snappe: doesn't make any sense :P

[13:29:11]

juski:

snappe: look in mythweb/modules/weather/handler.php and calm down with your insults or I'll kick yo ass outta here

[13:29:17]

Paladine:

brb I need to switch my backbone

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snappe:

it was on si

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snappe:

changed it to no for si

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snappe:

then changed it back to yes

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snappe:

worked

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juski:

funny that eh

[13:30:25]

snappe:

yeah who would have thought that it would have worked first up

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snappe:

oh wait it didnt

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Ruleke:

yawn

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Paladine:

thats better from 1.8Mb/s with 30% packet loss to 7.2Mb/s with 0% packet loss :)

[13:31:21]

snappe:

but im appreciative that i can use this fine app now

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snappe:

hmm... showers in the vicinity

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snappe:

ok i was reading that to get mythstreamtv working in the newest ver of mythtv you need some kind of patched mythstreamtv install file...?

[13:34:10]

toad_:

can i invoke mythtranscode manually? my files are not being transcoded...

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Ruleke:

Heh I just used the channel log to fins out what I did last time to fix this scan :)

[13:36:49]

Ruleke:

hurrah for the intarweb

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toad_:

if I tell it to transcode through the GUI, it doesn't... at least, it hasn't transcoded all the files i told it to auto-transcode, and it's stopped transcoding...

[13:37:21]

** toad_ will check whether there are any jobs scheduled, but i think it broke it somehow because some files had some noise; it was in mythcommflag for a while **

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Ruleke:

agh

[13:42:22]

Ruleke:

I forgot how to determine the networkid and transportid for a certain multiplex :/

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awilkins:

Paladine: Remember yesterday we were discussing desktop matter assemblers | 3D printers ?

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awilkins:

http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/15/0038259

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awilkins:

A house printing device.....

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Paladine:

awilkins, now that's what I'm talking about!!! :)

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Dibblah:

Right. I _think_ I finally have a working Myth installation that I'm happy with.

[14:12:41]

qu0zl:

Juski, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Yuan_MPC622 . Tadaa

[14:12:49]

qu0zl:

i ripped off the pvr-150 page shamelessly

[14:13:08]

toad_:

i'm not happy with mine

[14:13:45]

toad_:

it doesn't want to transcode the files i told it to transcode; i think it crashed out of the job queue or something when it ran into some errors in one of the files

[14:14:04]

awilkins:

I'm pretty happy with mine, except when I do something stoopid like updating the software causing a minor round of issues to fix

[14:14:06]

Dibblah:

2 years and 4 months. That must be a record :)

[14:14:21]

Dibblah:

I ain't touching this setup. Ever again.

[14:14:42]

toad_:

it does run mythcommflag but it doesn't run transcode for some reason

[14:14:55]

Dibblah:

And if Sky would be more... Amenable to following laws, then it would have been _much_ easier.

[14:15:03]

qu0zl:

Dibblah, I predict a hard-drive crash soon

[14:15:15]

Dibblah:

I predict backups ;)

[14:15:16]

qu0zl:

they follow fully working setups like night follows day ;)

[14:16:23]

toad_:

is there any way to manually (i mean from a script) cause a transcode to run?

[14:16:50]

awilkins:

toad_: Use the mythtranscode command?

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awilkins:

toad_: The other way is to set the transcoder field on the row in the recorded table, and then insert a jobqueue for it.

[14:18:31]

toad_:

if i have to manually go through the .mpg files, figure out what they are, and tell it to transcode them, and it transcodes some of them, every week, this is a pretty heavy maintenance load..

[14:18:42]

toad_:

awilkins: hmmm

[14:19:01]

toad_:

what i'd like it to do really is do what i told it to do in the first place – transcode the files!

[14:19:03]

awilkins:

I just used the latter method to save a bunch of disk space

[14:19:08]

awilkins:

Oh, you can do that

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toad_:

well it really doesn't help that it loses the job queue when you restart it

[14:19:39]

awilkins:

Hmm, you should be able to set the default behaviour to transcode recordings

[14:19:42]

toad_:

e.g. because of a minor upgrade via apt-get

[14:19:46]

toad_:

yes, i did

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awilkins:

Loses the job queue? Shoudln't do that – it's a bunch of rows in the database

[14:20:30]

toad_:

well it seems to ... or it doesn't read it

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toad_:

right now i have 70% idle, myth is doing nothing, and 61GB of MPEG-2

[14:21:07]

toad_:

which should be transcoded to NUV, but isn't being

[14:21:41]

awilkins:

Ok, one thing at a time, try running mythtranscode from a terminal and see if it works.

[14:22:04]

awilkins:

Then take a look at the jobqueue table and see whether it's being populated properly.

[14:22:11]

toad_:

with no arguments?

[14:22:25]

awilkins:

You'll just get the help sheet..

[14:22:44]

toad_:

Must specify -i OR -c AND -s options!

[14:23:02]

awilkins:

It reads the data from the mythconverg DB

[14:23:09]

toad_:

that's about all it says..

[14:23:11]

awilkins:

So you need to identify your recording

[14:23:24]

awilkins:

Oh, try mythtranscode --help

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toad_:

mythtranscode --verbose --showprogress -i 1001_20070114170000.mpg

[14:24:33]

toad_:

hmmm take out the --verbose

[14:24:48]

toad_:

if i don't tell it where to put the output, where will it put it?

[14:25:11]

toad_:

filename.mpg.tmp

[14:25:11]

toad_:

cool

[14:25:13]

awilkins:

I'm not sure, best use the -o argument too

[14:25:21]

toad_:

it will then change that to .nuv and update the database?

[14:25:32]

awilkins:

I have no idea

[14:25:37]

Bl4nk:

hi all

[14:25:40]

awilkins:

I don't usually run it from the command line

[14:25:42]

toad_:

:|

[14:25:56]

toad_:

well... it does connect to the database

[14:26:04]

toad_:

so logically it must do something with it

[14:27:08]

toad_:

hmmm

[14:27:18]

toad_:

so does it update the database after it's re-encoded the file?

[14:27:21]

awilkins:

Bl4nk: The bunch of files are mostly source code and resources :-)

[14:27:28]

Bl4nk:

oh ok

[14:27:34]

Bl4nk:

so what do i need to run this thing ?

[14:27:35]

awilkins:

toad_: Don't know – I think maybe the scheduler does it

[14:27:42]

awilkins:

toad_: But we're testing, right?

[14:28:00]

toad_:

Bl4nk: and no, it doesn't work on Windows

[14:28:01]

awilkins:

Bl4nk: www.mythtv.org

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toad_:

afaik

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toad_:

awilkins: well, it seems to be transcoding it

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Dibblah:

It won't run on Windows _yet_ ;)

[14:28:32]

awilkins:

Bl4nk: Typically, you'll want a linux distribution, you'll want to check that your hardware is supported (or check that the hardware you want is supported)

[14:28:36]

Bl4nk:

lol why give me the link awikins ? i downloaded it from the site already

[14:28:47]

Bl4nk:

ye ok thanx for the help guys

[14:28:47]

toad_:

presumably it picks up the profile from the database?

[14:29:05]

awilkins:

Bl4nk: Well, there are bunch of documents there about the requirements, perhaps you should troll through them and see.

[14:29:09]

Dibblah:

Bl4nk: Do you have a spare PC to run this on?

[14:29:18]

toad_:

[mpegts @ 0x2b87abb72d40]Parser not found for Codec Id: 94212 !

[14:29:24]

toad_:

i wonder what that means... and why it isn't fatal

[14:29:32]

Dibblah:

Bl4nk: If you do, the installation really isn't that hard...

[14:29:33]

awilkins:

toad_: It's a glitch in your stream

[14:29:43]

awilkins:

toad_: You're a DVB-T user,?

[14:29:49]

toad_:

awilkins: in my myth log there are lots of glitches

[14:29:56]

Dibblah:

toad_: Or possibly some unsupported interactive type stuff.

[14:29:58]

toad_:

but MOST of video recently recorded is perfect

[14:30:09]

toad_:

some older files are not

[14:30:22]

toad_:

hence my suspicion that it stopped encoding anything because of those errors?

[14:30:26]

toad_:

and yes, this is DVB-T

[14:30:40]

awilkins:

No, they don't really cause problems, it's only a warning

[14:30:46]

Dibblah:

No – Those errors are either from transcode or from commflagging.

[14:30:55]

Dibblah:

They're not fatal.

[14:30:59]

toad_:

hmmm

[14:31:11]

toad_:

well...

[14:31:19]

awilkins:

toad_: Try mplayer on your .tmp file?

[14:31:23]

toad_:

some of these files are newly recorded and should have been transcoded automatically

[14:31:43]

awilkins:

You were saying your job queue is emptying itself

[14:31:46]

toad_:

some of them are older and i did queue a transcode manually but it was lost after a restart somehow

[14:31:56]

toad_:

yeah i think that's the problem

[14:31:57]

Dibblah:

Transcoding doesn't cope too well with some of the UK streams.

[14:32:13]

toad_:

can i access the job queue from the database or do i need to go downstairs and use the GUI?

[14:32:20]

Dibblah:

(The ones that lose audio tracks half way through)

[14:32:21]

awilkins:

Dibblah: Especially some of the streams with blind persons descriptive audio

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Dibblah:

toad_: x11vnc ;)

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awilkins:

toad_: you runnign from an SSH session?

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Dibblah:

And... I have no idea how to do anything with the jobqueue.

[14:33:07]

toad_:

transcoded stream looks good

[14:33:11]

toad_:

awilkins: yes

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awilkins:

toad_: Start up a mysql session and USE mythconverg ; SELECT * FROM jobqueue;

[14:33:57]

awilkins:

You on a windows machine?

[14:33:59]

toad_:

all are type 2 and are finished, 29 rows

[14:34:15]

toad_:

not me, no windows here... except for the pesky users! :)

[14:34:31]

awilkins:

Heh, I use SQLYog for mysql stuff.

[14:34:31]

toad_:

i think Bl4nk might be though

[14:34:51]

toad_:

i assume type 2 is commflag?

[14:35:05]

toad_:

comments are all like "Finished, 7 break(s) found."

[14:35:16]

awilkins:

Sounds accurate, I think type 1 is transcode

[14:35:26]

toad_:

ok...

[14:35:52]

toad_:

i'm pretty sure that auto-transcode is enabled, and that the recordings have the transcode new recordings flag set

[14:35:59]

awilkins:

So you are at least queuing jobs

[14:36:07]

awilkins:

How old are they?

[14:36:42]

toad_:

13/01 to 15/01

[14:36:42]

Paladine:

wow, there is nothing quite so cool as 3.6KG of Jelly Belly beans arriving at your door by fedex :)

[14:36:45]

awilkins:

It shouldn't be losing them totally – if you have an error, it should leave the job open with an error statis

[14:36:59]

awilkins:

Paladine: Mixed flavours?

[14:37:03]

Paladine:

yup

[14:37:10]

awilkins:

Paladine: My wife has a thing for the cinnamon ones.

[14:37:16]

Paladine:

45 flavours

[14:37:23]

Paladine:

I hate the cinnamon ones

[14:37:24]

toad_:

is it possible there is just some kind of config problem? i can't imagine what that might be, it _was_ transcoding a few days ago...

[14:37:45]

awilkins:

Paladine: Didn't know you could buy such quanitites in the UK or did you ship them from abroad?

[14:38:06]

kslater:

toad_ I started getting transcode errors with jobs trying to run on remote backend

[14:38:28]

kslater:

not supported without shared storage

[14:38:34]

Paladine:

awilkins, found a wicked bargain on ebay :)

[14:38:56]

toad_:

kslater: not a problem here, it's all local :|

[14:38:59]

Paladine:

3.6KG 40 quid shipped

[14:39:12]

toad_:

Paladine: wholesale?

[14:39:17]

Paladine:

they are 18 quid + shipping per kilo from the official jelly belly site

[14:39:27]

toad_:

ahhh

[14:39:27]

Paladine:

toad, nope 2x 1.8KG jars

[14:39:32]

awilkins:

I have one of the small giftboxes of 25 flavours I got for christmas

[14:40:06]

Paladine:

I wanna try the new smoothies flavours

[14:40:21]

toad_:

14fps transcoding, i think it's using high quality, but i dunno which settings it picked since i didn't specify any; autodetect is HQ

[14:41:03]

awilkins:

toad_: Well, we've verified that your setup can transcode without exploding

[14:41:23]

toad_:

yeah, so what's the next thing to check?

[14:41:23]

awilkins:

toad_: So it must be a configuration problem or a database problem

[14:41:50]

awilkins:

Queue a transcode job manually and see what happens in the database

[14:43:16]

toad_:

it transcoded it to .mpg.tmp

[14:43:27]

toad_:

didn't do the rename/move/update db

[14:43:28]

toad_:

ok

[14:43:29]

toad_:

1sec

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toad_:

added one

[14:46:31]

toad_:

type=1 status=4 comment="0% Completed @ 0 fps."

[14:46:45]

toad_:

and it's running mythtranscode

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toad_:

so that's working ...

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toad_:

this is a recent recording, which should have been transcoded automatically, but wasn't

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awilkins:

Right, so, did you change the default preference before or after you created the recording schedule for that program?

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toad_:

not sure

[14:53:37]

toad_:

however some of the programs which haven't been transcoded were definitely added after changing to auto-transcode

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toad_:

lots of stuff recorded recently should have been transcoded but was only commercial flagged; and if i go into the recording settings for each program, they are set to transcode new recordings

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awilkins:

Darn.

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toad_:

i set it to autotranscode ages ago... a week or so

[14:54:57]

toad_:

some of the stuff queued may predate that, but not all of it

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** awilkins is hunting for jellybeans on ebay **

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toad_:

so it looks like i'm going to have to manually start transcoding for a lot of programs, very frequently? :|

[14:56:51]

** quicksilver is overbidding awilkins for jellybeans on ebay **

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awilkins:

toad_: Well, you can do it manually, or you can do it the way I did it :-)

[14:57:48]

toad_:

awilkins: which is...?

[14:57:59]

toad_:

hmmm

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awilkins:

UPDATE recorded SET transcoder = (id of preffered profile) WHERE (your criteria)

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toad_:

is it possible that it hasn't been transcoding because it's been recording, and while recording takes up essentially no cpu, it blocks transcoding because it's sensitive to cpu?

[14:58:57]

awilkins:

INSERT INTO jobqueue (fieldlist) SELECT (a bunch of stuff) FROM recorded WHERE (criteria)

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awilkins:

toad_: Naah, it shouldn't do that

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toad_:

transcoder is set to 0 in every column in recorded

[14:59:49]

awilkins:

Hmm

[15:00:13]

awilkins:

Even ones that have been transcoded?

[15:00:36]

awilkins:

How about SELECT * FROM recorded WHERE transcoded = 1;

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toad_:

"select transcoder from recorded" is all zeros

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toad_:

lots of programs

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awilkins:

Transcoder tells the job queue which profile to use

[15:01:36]

toad_:

yeah

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awilkins:

You have configured the transcoding profiles?

[15:01:39]

toad_:

is 0 = autodetect?

[15:01:41]

toad_:

yes

[15:01:44]

toad_:

or is 0 = none ?

[15:01:52]

toad_:

they should all be using autodetect

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Paladine:

man someone seriously needs to take this jar of jelly bellies away from me

[15:01:54]

awilkins:

0 is the default value – I'm not sure

[15:02:48]

awilkins:

Paladine: The only problem I'd have with the mixed jar is determining the difference between the chocolate pudding (boring) Dr Pepper (nice) and A&W rootbeer (tastes like germolene ointment)

[15:02:55]

toad_:

hmmm

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Paladine:

hahaha

[15:03:08]

Paladine:

I like the choc pudd, the dr pepper

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toad_:

well the default is set to autodetect

[15:03:16]

Paladine:

but the ass beer I hate

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toad_:

and the transcoded files *are* smaller

[15:03:26]

Paladine:

and why do they have 2 cinnamons? I hate cinnamon

[15:03:37]

awilkins:

Sugar free cinnamon and normal cinnamon?

[15:03:40]

toad_:

it seems to me that the problem is it has to commflag first, and then somehow it forgets to transcode

[15:03:56]

Paladine:

regular cinnamon and super hot cinnamon

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awilkins:

Ah. I like cinnamon

[15:04:30]

awilkins:

toad_: I might be configuring mine to auto-transcode soon

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toad_:

what about update jobqueue set type=1 where type=2 ?

[15:04:40]

awilkins:

toad_: Ah, no I won't

[15:04:45]

toad_:

will that be automatically picked up?

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toad_:

awilkins: awww

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awilkins:

toad_: Not until the descriotive audio stream bug is fixed.

[15:05:05]

toad_:

descriptive audio stream bug?

[15:05:15]

toad_:

we've watched transcoded streams, they've been okay

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awilkins:

Some streams, the libavformat library picks the wrong audio stream to transcode

[15:05:29]

toad_:

it's possible those particular ones weren't audio-described though

[15:05:40]

toad_:

hmmm that sucks

[15:05:40]

awilkins:

So you get an almost totally silent recording, apart from a calm female voice describing the action.

[15:05:45]

toad_:

lol

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toad_:

is that common?

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awilkins:

Which is disturbing when you're watching @The Terminator@

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toad_:

:)

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Paladine:

awilkins, the tragedy is, I have been up all yesterday, all last night, then this morning I had an exam at 9:30am and I have stayed up since I got home from my exam

[15:06:19]

awilkins:

Seems to affect a lot of streams on C4 and Five

[15:06:20]

Paladine:

you know why i stayed up?

[15:06:31]

awilkins:

To receive the parcel with the jellybeans?

[15:06:38]

fryfrog:

24?

[15:06:45]

Paladine:

cos I knew my jelly beans were arriving and the missus has gone out so I would have slept through the courier arriving

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Milosch:

i had one movie where i selected english but always get french

[15:06:57]

fryfrog:

why did you mail order jelly beans?

[15:07:02]

toad_:

awilkins: well this isn't absolutely totally up to date...

[15:07:07]

toad_:

it's a september snapshot

[15:07:13]

Paladine:

cos they are the best jelly beans in the world and they are uber uber uber expensive

[15:07:21]

fryfrog:

oh?

[15:07:24]

fryfrog:

link?

[15:07:24]

qu0zl:

they better be full of crack or something

[15:07:30]

qu0zl:

if you stayed up 3 days straight for them

[15:07:34]

fryfrog:

not crack, pure raw pussy :)

[15:07:35]

Paladine:

www,jellybelly.com

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toad_:

0.20-svn20061209–0.3

[15:07:39]

fryfrog:

wtf

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awilkins:

mine is from 28th december

[15:07:42]

fryfrog:

jellybelly?

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toad_:

december snapshot in fact

[15:07:44]

fryfrog:

they aren't expensive

[15:07:51]

fryfrog:

you can get them at any store in any mall here :p

[15:07:54]

Paladine:

they are in the UK

[15:07:56]

fryfrog:

almost

[15:08:00]

fryfrog:

that sucks :p

[15:08:02]

toad_:

well i haven't run into that bug yet

[15:08:07]

Paladine:

about $34 USD per kilo in the UK

[15:08:21]

awilkins:

$40 for 1.8 KG? (mixed 4 pound jar)?

[15:08:25]

fryfrog:

we have candy shop in the mall, you can just go in and scoop *any* flavor, by the pound

[15:08:27]

Paladine:

and thats bulk prices

[15:08:28]

fryfrog:

dude, wtf?

[15:08:34]

quicksilver:

you get that in the UK too, fryfrog

[15:08:36]

Paladine:

for smaller quantities the unit cost goes up significantly

[15:08:37]

Milosch:

cheaper than crack

[15:08:40]

quicksilver:

it's just that it's expensive :P

[15:08:55]

quicksilver:

65p/100g, IIRC

[15:08:57]

fryfrog:

maybe they are that expensive here

[15:09:05]

qu0zl:

god, i pity the man who eats 1kg of jellybeans in one sitting

[15:09:11]

qu0zl:

you know you'd eat them in one sitting

[15:09:12]

quicksilver:

hmm that number doesn't look right

[15:09:14]

Paladine:

quicksilver, no it is much more than than

[15:09:16]

fryfrog:

i can't eat them anymore, hurts my teeth :(

[15:09:19]

** quicksilver nods **

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toad_:

awilkins: well i'm in uk also, but i haven't run into that; it's possible it was introduced in a later version

[15:09:21]

Paladine:

2.99 or something daft for 100g

[15:09:32]

awilkins:

toad_: It's been like that for months

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toad_:

hmmm

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Paladine:

1kg is 18 quid + shipping from the official UK jelly belly online store

[15:09:47]

awilkins:

toad_: You get the same if you play them using mplayer over the http in mythweb

[15:09:54]

awilkins:

'cause it's the same library

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fryfrog:

first 2 hours of 24... 9.9G :p

[15:10:01]

Paladine:

so there is no way you will find a retailer cheaper

[15:10:10]

toad_:

the transcoded files or the originals?

[15:10:14]

awilkins:

Only with mplayer you can stop and tell it which audio stream to use

[15:10:15]

Dibblah:

Paladine: Yeah, but then you have the Gym subscription on top of that...

[15:10:20]

awilkins:

toad_: originals

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toad_:

ahhh ok

[15:10:55]

Paladine:

Dibblah jelly belly are low sugar

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Paladine:

suitable for diabetics

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fryfrog:

well, if you eat twice as many :p

[15:11:15]

toad_:

so it's not a problem with transcoding, but transcoding makes the recordings permanently useless as opposed to useless except with some command line gymnastics

[15:11:24]

awilkins:

toad_: Yup

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toad_:

because it deletes the right stream and keeps the wrong one :|

[15:11:44]

awilkins:

toad_: It's down to the same code that picks the dominant audio stream and guffs it up

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awilkins:

My wife was most disappointed, it happened to one of her chickflicks the other day

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toad_:

ok so as regards my current problem...

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toad_:

myth commflag's them but then doesn't transcode them

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toad_:

even though it's supposed to

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awilkins:

toad_: I'd assume that it should be queueing the commflag and the transcode at the same time

[15:12:49]

toad_:

one fix would be to run "update jobqueue set type=1 where type=2" ?

[15:12:58]

toad_:

awilkins: really? hmmm

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toad_:

it doesn't queue the transcode

[15:13:06]

awilkins:

Well, it's a queue, isn't it

[15:13:15]

awilkins:

Ah, maybe not

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awilkins:

If you can run jobs concurrently, that wouldn't work

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toad_:

well yeah, but isn't it possible that it would transform it from commflag to transcode?

[15:13:31]

tha_toadman:

hey guys – does the old xbox make for a good mythtv frontend?

[15:13:33]

toad_:

after it's commflag'ed

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awilkins:

tha_toadman: Yes, I hear good things about the xbox distro of mythfrontend

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awilkins:

toad_: No, it should put in a new row

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tha_toadman:

cool! does it need to mod chipped or can the xbox be exploited some way?

[15:14:24]

awilkins:

toad_: I'm not sure where in the backend code it puts it

[15:14:39]

toad_:

ok, so the bug is that when a program is recorded, it should add a new row asking to transcode... but it doesn't

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awilkins:

tha_toadman: I have no idea, troll around in the wiki and see if it tells you.

[15:14:43]

fryfrog:

tha_toadman: it makes a decent fe for SD content, though it can be slow

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fryfrog:

it of course can't be a backend

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awilkins:

toad_: Either that or it should be queueing a transcode when the commsflag job is over – that prevents it ttrying to transcode a program it's flagging

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awilkins:

toad_: The latter makes more sense

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toad_:

right

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awilkins:

toad_: You should probably make a really short recording (use the manaual schedule) to check it out

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awilkins:

Run the backend with --verbose database

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awilkins:

And see what crops up in the log

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awilkins:

Record say a minute, set it up with autoflag and autotranscode and watch what happens

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tha_toadman:

fryfrog: thanks – it sounds like a cheap frontend for sure – i bet i can find a used one on ebay

[15:17:15]

fryfrog:

prolly :)

[15:17:20]

fryfrog:

i'd go for one with a mod chip for sure

[15:17:29]

fryfrog:

softmodding... well, if you screw up your xbox is useless

[15:17:40]

tha_toadman:

really!?

[15:17:45]

fryfrog:

well, yeah

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tha_toadman:

:-S don't want that

[15:17:55]

fryfrog:

you could still put a mod chip in it and *maybe* recover

[15:18:01]

fryfrog:

when i did my xbox...

[15:18:14]

fryfrog:

i got a new HD and modcip at the same time, backed up the original HD and set it aside

[15:18:18]

tha_toadman:

i hd exploited the PS2 so i didn't know if the xbox had something similar too

[15:18:27]

tha_toadman:

gotcha

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fryfrog:

so even if i totally fudge it up, i can still use the old xbox hd

[15:18:34]

fryfrog:

got a 250G in it now :)

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tha_toadman:

good idea

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** toad_ restarted it with --verbose database ... it was transcoding something (because i told it to) before i shut down, it's still transcoding it after i start it back up **

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toad_:

it picked it up from the database... so that bit is working

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fryfrog:

i don't think it stops/starts trasncode/flagging jobs when you restart

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fryfrog:

oh, nm

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toad_:

yeah, the actual mythtranscode job was still running

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toad_:

ok, /me goes to set a recording up

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** toad_ told it to stop recording a job **

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toad_:

and there's a new type=1 job to do ... hmmm

[15:23:19]

** toad_ sets up a short recording... maybe there's a bug in handling the end of a normal recording **

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toad_:

hmmm in fact it is transcoding both files now

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toad_:

the one i started before shutdown, and the one i just killed

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Paladine:

"Dear Mr Jelly Belly, I am writing you this Letter Before Action to advise you that due to your product leaving me a gibbering, salivating, hyperactive wreck after running out of Jelly Belly beans last week, I will be issuing a court summons in 7 days time for punative damages of 6000KG of your mixed candy beans. If you wish to discuss this matter and agree to a settlement, it would avoid the need for me to seek renumeration through the courts

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Paladine:

and could save you costs and excessive damages. Sincerely, Alexander Hanff"

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** toad_ has set it up to tape 10 minutes of news, finishing in 13 minutes time **

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** toad_ will be back then **

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SlicerDicer-:

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2395 does this mean mythtv?

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awilkins:

toad_: It should be queueing both jobs at the same time, having read the code in jobqueue.cpp

[15:38:54]

juski:

hey my car's ECU has a CPU in it. will it run mythtv?

[15:39:21]

Tuomaz:

Is it possible to override the setting MasterServerIP on a frontend?

[15:40:17]

Tuomaz:

I want to do this when I tunnel MythTV-traffic over ssh.

[15:40:46]

Milosch:

dumb question time, can vista read files from mythtv?

[15:41:01]

juski:

Milosch: who cares?

[15:41:08]

briand:

juski: sure, but you won't see a color OSD on it.

[15:41:27]

Milosch:

just curious

[15:41:31]

juski:

Milosch: apparently the new WMP will be upnp aware

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awilkins:

Milosch: you could also i) serve them up over http using mythweb ii) share them out using normal network sharing (I've seen windows apps that read the mythconverg database to make the filenames nicer)

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qu0zl:

i'd guess vlc is upnp aware Milosch , if so you can use that on windows

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Milosch:

ok, wmp in vista sees the machine as upnp, but can see no files

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juski:

ahh vista is broken then

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awilkins:

I use mplayer over http, but I'm guessing this is becoming a little old fasioned

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Milosch:

juski: not a shock

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Milosch:

just wondering if there is something else i need to enable

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SlicerDicer-:

hey juski did you check what it said the specs on the appletv were? it says it has a nvidia card and pentium m pretty much standard stuff seems like :)

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awilkins:

Huzzah, # works again

[15:47:39]

** awilkins removes the USA input locale in the vain hope that will be the end of it. **

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** awilkins then removes the support for drawing pad, speech reco, guru board and turns off all forms of "advanced" input services **

[15:50:31]

awilkins:

Accessibility is all very well, but for those of us with a full complement of fingers it's a total pain

[15:50:33]

Paladine:

awilkins, missus just checked the use by date on the jelly beans and said "You realise you have to eat all these by november right?"

[15:50:42]

awilkins:

November?

[15:50:45]

awilkins:

Hahahahahahaha

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Paladine:

I looked at her and said "I don't anticipate that being a problem."

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awilkins:

If they last until the end of March I'll be amazed

[15:51:11]

Paladine:

dude they won't make it to the end of january

[15:51:26]

awilkins:

So, if they are 4 calories apiece, how many do you get in a 4 pound jar?

[15:51:33]

Paladine:

they will be lucky to make it to the end of the week

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awilkins:

Apparentltly, about 400 beans per pound

[15:52:11]

awilkins:

So you have 3200 beans

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juski:

SlicerDicer-: it'll do 720p and nothing higher – what more do you need to know?

[15:52:31]

awilkins:

Or about five days worth of calories for a man

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awilkins:

Ever tried the sour ones?

[15:55:39]

Paladine:

yeah they are good

[15:55:42]

Dagmar:

I thought the Every Flavor Beans were funny

[15:55:46]

Dagmar:

They screwed 'em up

[15:55:48]

Paladine:

they brought out smoothie flavours now too

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Paladine:

but not available in bulk :/

[15:56:08]

Dagmar:

Just flat out put too many of the foul-tasting beans in about half of the first batches

[15:56:29]

awilkins:

Did they actually have an earwax flavoured one?

[15:56:34]

Dagmar:

Literally, over half the beans would taste like something screwy, like grass clippings, or mud, or bogie

[15:56:44]

Dagmar:

Yes, they did.

[15:56:44]

juski:

mmm bogies

[15:56:47]

Tuomaz:

I answer my on q: you can set specific MasterServerIP by populating the database with a host-specific entry.

[15:57:00]

awilkins:

Bogie flavour wouldn't taste too much different from other generic sweet flavours, surely.

[15:57:13]

juski:

Tuomaz: show the others the way by answering your _own_ questions yay!

[15:57:14]

Dagmar:

The bad ones were *nasty* flavored

[15:57:15]

Paladine:

awilkins, just told the missus she would have to limit my bean intake by putting them into those pill boxes with a different box for each day of the week

[15:57:20]

Paladine:

otherwise I will be ill

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awilkins:

I thikn that's fair

[15:57:30]

Dagmar:

They probably could have kept selling them if it weren't for that little screwup

[15:57:45]

Tuomaz:

juski: i just tried and it worked, didn't now before

[15:57:49]

Dagmar:

Sorry gents, you can't successfully sell candies when half the box tastes like crap by design..

[15:58:05]

Dagmar:

Anyone want any myspace logins?

[15:58:11]

awilkins:

The weird flavours didn't have to taste nasty

[15:58:11]

juski:

nope

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Paladine:

apple sold ipods by the millions

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** juski is fully 1.0 **

[15:58:21]

awilkins:

I mean, grass isn't too bad

[15:58:21]

Paladine:

so something being shit by design doesn't mean it won't sell

[15:58:25]

Tuomaz:

juski: and it looks like the code first looks for a host-setting and then use the world-wide setting.

[15:58:41]

awilkins:

Earwax isn't nice though

[15:58:55]

awilkins:

I don't know anyone who eats earwax by choice.

[15:58:55]

Paladine:

dagmar, myspace is blocked in my router

[15:59:10]

awilkins:

Did they do the vomit flavoured one?

[15:59:18]

Dagmar:

Just knowing that you can scrutinize the bean as carefully as you like and it could STILL be a disgusting flavored one...

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Dagmar:

Yes.

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Paladine:

awilkins, you remember the hedgehog flavour crisps in the early 80s?

[15:59:40]

toad_:

hmmm

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Tuomaz:

I think there is need for a #mythtv-chat or something... during my 24h here it seems like much talk is rather ot.

[15:59:45]

awilkins:

Paladine: I remember them, I may evebn have eaten a bag

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juski:

Tuomaz: sssh

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Dagmar:

Paladine: someone posted a list of 56,000+ myspace credentials to Full-Disclosure about two hours ago

[16:00:02]

juski:

that's the channel's remit

[16:00:14]

juski:

the only true off-topic is talking about illegal stuff

[16:00:21]

Dagmar:

Paladine: Which is, of cource, why MySpace.com is now offlinne. Heh

[16:00:27]

toad_:

i thought the channel's remit was to help users? :)

[16:00:35]

Dagmar:

toad_: Where's it say that?

[16:00:36]

juski:

help? users? what?!

[16:00:40]

toad_:

hmmm

[16:00:45]

Paladine:

thats what the wiki is for :p

[16:00:50]

Dagmar:

It's a shame we can't 403 them all to www.rif.org

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toad_:

i set it up to record a 10 minute news program... i don't think it has

[16:00:56]

juski:

that's #mythtv-lusers

[16:00:56]

Dagmar:

That would probably help at least half of them

[16:01:30]

toad_:

probably was later than i thought, i need to set up a manual record...

[16:03:23]

toad_:

well fixing myth to not be quite so hard to correctly set up, and fixing some bugs, would probably also help a lot of them :)

[16:04:20]

juski:

blasphemers

[16:04:25]

toad_:

:)

[16:04:33]

juski:

stop whining!!!

[16:04:37]

toad_:

:)

[16:04:41]

Dagmar:

Myth isn't hard to set up

[16:04:52]

toad_:

it's hard to _correctly_ set up

[16:04:56]

juski:

it isn't hard to set up

[16:04:56]

Dagmar:

No, it's not.

[16:05:03]

Dagmar:

Lirc is kinda hard to set up.

[16:05:08]

toad_:

because the howto doesn't say YOU MUST USE EIT DATA UNLESS YOU WANT TO SPEND A WEEK MESSING AROUND WITH THIS

[16:05:17]

toad_:

apt-get install inputlirc :)

[16:05:17]

Dagmar:

Building a kernel so that your tuner card works is always going to be a bit tricky.

[16:05:32]

juski:

toad_: what do you want for no money? jees

[16:05:36]

Dagmar:

If you're in the US, you just use Zap2it and you're done

[16:05:39]

Dagmar:

No EIT neeed.

[16:05:40]

SlicerDicer-:

juski: eh why not higher?

[16:05:42]

toad_:

juski: sorry, i don't mean to be offensive

[16:05:47]

Dibblah:

toad_: Excellent! Thanks for volunteering!

[16:05:54]

juski:

SlicerDicer-: it's underpowered is why

[16:06:01]

quicksilver:

to be fair, the off-topic conversation tends to ebb and flow depending on the real conversation

[16:06:06]

SlicerDicer-:

juski: my MX440 can do 1080i video playback no problem with similar specs

[16:06:09]

toad_:

Dagmar: with the uk listings guide, it doesn't work... or rather, it does work, but it adds every possible channel from the listings source

[16:06:15]

juski:

SlicerDicer-: not with a 1ghz cpu it can't

[16:06:20]

SlicerDicer-:

juski: 1.4ghz

[16:06:22]

awilkins:

toad_: Set them to invisible

[16:06:27]

Dibblah:

toad_: It does what you tell it to do.

[16:06:28]

awilkins:

toad_: I use the radio times anway

[16:06:31]

toad_:

one at a time? nice

[16:06:32]

SlicerDicer-:

juski: XVMC nvidia :)

[16:06:37]

toad_:

that'll take about a day by itself

[16:06:41]

Dibblah:

If you clicked 'add all' then it will.

[16:06:44]

SlicerDicer-:

juski: without XVMC it has a heart attack

[16:06:45]

toad_:

no i did not

[16:06:53]

Dibblah:

Oh...kay.

[16:06:56]

juski:

toad_: did you read the wiki page about xmltv in the uk?

[16:06:56]

quicksilver:

took me about 10 minutes, IIRC

[16:07:06]

quicksilver:

and I use radiotimes too, for all its sins

[16:07:09]

toad_:

i clicked, as the HOWTO told me to, first the scan button, and then the find channels from listings source button

[16:07:25]

toad_:

and it adds EVERY channel, even though i told it not to add non-FTA

[16:07:37]

toad_:

eventually we decided to just use EIT data only

[16:07:46]

juski:

toad_: you ran the tv grabber config incorrectly

[16:07:48]

Dibblah:

Yeah, that is easier :)

[16:07:51]

toad_:

and that worked, although it sucks in that it never recognizes that 2 pieces of a film are one film

[16:07:56]

awilkins:

I hate that

[16:08:06]

juski:

toad_: even with xmltv it doesn't either

[16:08:10]

Paladine:

hahahaha I just got an Origami plan for Yoda :)

[16:08:12]

Dibblah:

toad_: Even with _rt guide data it doesn't.

[16:08:18]

awilkins:

That's just a problem with the scheduling code and weird UK tv schedules

[16:08:21]

toad_:

juski: yeah, I'm supposed to tell it whether I get each channel or not, manually, on the console, not actually knowing it myself, when it can figure it out itself trivially later on

[16:08:29]

Milosch:

Paladine: cool, no cuts?

[16:08:47]

Dibblah:

toad_: Hmmm. That should probably go into the channel editor.

[16:08:48]

awilkins:

toad_: I edited the file manually

[16:08:59]

Paladine:

http://www.pajarita.org/aep/internacionales/intern2-1.pdf

[16:09:08]

toad_:

juski: did it ever occur to you to cross reference the list of tunable channels with the list of listings channels and only show those that we actually get?

[16:09:12]

Dibblah:

Actually, no, it can't, since this is backend stuff.

[16:09:20]

awilkins:

toad_: I've even created some channel ids in the XMLTV resources because the main distro hasn't kept up with the real world.

[16:09:38]

Dibblah:

toad_: How?

[16:09:54]

Dibblah:

The RT channel names don't coincide with the transmitted channels.

[16:09:58]

toad_:

Dibblah: myth has to do that anyway, otherwise it would never be able to record anything, right?

[16:10:14]

Dibblah:

Analog also is a problem (for a short while) ;)

[16:10:18]

toad_:

Dibblah: well how does it determine that channel X in listings = tunable channel Y ?

[16:10:29]

toad_:

it does ...

[16:10:30]

Dibblah:

By you setting it up :(

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toad_:

Dibblah: not on DVB-T

[16:10:51]

Dibblah:

Yes, on dvb-t.

[16:10:57]

Dibblah:

Unless you use EIT.

[16:10:59]

toad_:

on DVB-T it all works automagically ... except that it adds every non-FTA channel even though I told it not to, and lots of regional variants I don't get

[16:11:00]

awilkins:

toad_: The EIT data for a given multiplex contains a list of the other multiplexes, plus a list of the channels available

[16:11:24]

awilkins:

The data doesn't necessarily report FTA correctly

[16:11:26]

Dibblah:

toad_: Ah. I see the confusion, I think.

[16:11:49]

toad_:

fixing this would greatly improve the end-user experience and dramatically slash the number of whining users anyway

[16:11:50]

Dibblah:

The channels on DVB-t in the UK aren't (at least some of them) encrypted as such.

[16:11:51]

awilkins:

And the regional variants are in XMLTV

[16:12:04]

Dibblah:

toad_: If it was simple, it would have been done.

[16:12:06]

awilkins:

Dibblah: Some of them just use hidden PIDS

[16:12:10]

toad_:

Dibblah: if I tell it to only use EIT data, it _DOES_ work

[16:12:15]

toad_:

Dibblah: it only adds unencrypted channels

[16:12:31]

Dibblah:

Yes, that's because all of the data is coming from one provider / source.

[16:12:37]

toad_:

Dibblah: the problem is if I add a radio times grabber, it adds every channel in the RT listings – even those that aren't tunable, are encrypted, etc

[16:12:52]

Dibblah:

If you look in ~/.mythtv/(sourcename).xmltv

[16:12:55]

toad_:

why can't it take the scanned data and compare it to the RT listings?

[16:12:55]

awilkins:

toad_: No, that's not how it works, surely

[16:13:03]

Dibblah:

You will find the configuration for your grabber.

[16:13:07]

toad_:

yeah I know

[16:13:10]

quicksilver:

toad_: because they use DIFFERENT NAMING SCHEMES

[16:13:19]

Dibblah:

Which is where you have added all the channels you said you wanted.

[16:13:19]

awilkins:

toad_: mythfilldatabase just looks up the xmltvid in the channels table and only grabs for those

[16:13:20]

quicksilver:

toad_: and there is no automated cross-reference chart for it

[16:13:30]

toad_:

quicksilver: no they don't. it successfully correlates them to record stuff.

[16:13:36]

quicksilver:

it does no such thing

[16:13:38]

Dibblah:

toad_: It does not.

[16:13:45]

quicksilver:

it correlates them based on stuff the user enters, by hand

[16:13:49]

toad_:

it's able to record stuff at the end of it; the problem is it tries to record stuff from e.g. the sci fi channel, whic is encrypted

[16:13:52]

quicksilver:

although fortunately the user only has to do that once

[16:13:54]

Dibblah:

with EIT it just works.

[16:13:59]

toad_:

quicksilver: it never asked me for anything like that

[16:14:04]

quicksilver:

with EIT, of course, there is only one naming scheme

[16:14:05]

quicksilver:

so that's OK

[16:14:08]

Dibblah:

Because the data is coming from the channels directly.

[16:14:15]

awilkins:

toad_: You get the sci-fi channel on DVB-T?

[16:14:23]

toad_:

awilkins: it tried to record from it

[16:14:32]

toad_:

obviously it didn't work

[16:14:35]

Dibblah:

No, he doesn't.

[16:14:36]

awilkins:

toad_: I've never even seen it in the listings

[16:14:48]

Dibblah:

It's added by tv_grab_uk_rt.

[16:14:53]

awilkins:

Oh.

[16:14:59]

awilkins:

Not with mine

[16:15:10]

toad_:

well i dunno exactly what happened, but there should be a BIG RED WARNING to always use EIT only on DVB-T if you don't want to spend the rest of your life getting the thing to work

[16:15:15]

Dibblah:

I know – Because you have your data source set up correctly.

[16:15:26]

toad_:

i mean in the HOWTO, which is where it isn't at the moment

[16:15:30]

quicksilver:

toad_: FVO 'rest of your life' beaing 'about 30 minutes'

[16:15:38]

Tall-guy:

Gents, I have somehow hooped my program listing to channel relationship, myth thinks channels 4 program is on channel 5, channel 5's program is on channel 6, etc....can anyone help me. I think I know how it happened, but I don't know how to fix it.

[16:15:39]

quicksilver:

certainly it's annoying and suboptimal

[16:15:42]

quicksilver:

but it's hardly the end of the world

[16:15:43]

toad_:

quicksilver: it did not ask me ANYTHING

[16:15:46]

Dibblah:

toad_: Please post your (source).xmltv to pastebin.

[16:15:49]

Dibblah:

toad_: It did.

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Paladine:

I have a fully upto date sky.xmltv if anyone wants it

[16:15:55]

toad_:

the only thing it asked me was "do you want to add this channel? do you want to add this channel? etc etc"

[16:15:57]

Dibblah:

Well, it should have ;)

[16:16:01]

toad_:

it did not ask me to link channels up

[16:16:06]

toad_:

at _ANY_ point

[16:16:12]

quicksilver:

I had to link the channels up by hand in mysql

[16:16:16]

Dibblah:

toad_: It doesn't.

[16:16:21]

quicksilver:

I dunno if that got better in a later version or not

[16:16:29]

toad_:

okay

[16:16:29]

Paladine:

I write a script to do it

[16:16:38]

Dibblah:

You go into the frontend, tune a channel, then enter the correct xmltvid.

[16:16:39]

awilkins:

toad_: It does do it, but it does it in the terminal window you execute mythtv-setup from

[16:16:42]

Dibblah:

Using E

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toad_:

awilkins: no it doesn't

[16:16:56]

rsdvd:

Paladine : is yout sky.xmltv include all the channels available?

[16:17:00]

awilkins:

toad_: No, like, IN THE TERMINAL WINDOW

[16:17:05]

toad_:

awilkins: in the terminal window, it asked me for each channel in the listings source whether I wanted to add it

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awilkins:

toad_: Not the X window

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Paladine:

yes all channels

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toad_:

awilkins: that's what I just said

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Dibblah:

awilkins: Actually, it sounds like it behaves like toad_ is saying.

[16:17:26]

Paladine:

although I cocked up bbc1,2,itv

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Paladine:

cos I never put in my local regional ones

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rsdvd:

if you wanted to post that somewher – I would be interested........I have built my own but I am sure I have some of the xmltvids wrong

[16:17:41]

awilkins:

I can paste my .xmltv file to a bin if you want it

[16:17:58]

toad_:

anyway my case is this: the howto, page 9, should either explain how to sort it out (it doesn't), or should strongly recommend you just use the EIT data only

[16:17:59]

Dibblah:

The "fetch channels from listings source" is what fills out the .xmltv config file.

[16:18:05]

Paladine:

am just about to paste all the resources for my script to pastebin gimmie a few minutes

[16:18:22]

awilkins:

http://pastebin.ca/317397

[16:18:41]

toad_:

anyway that's not the bug i'm currently struggling with

[16:18:44]

quicksilver:

which explains how to fix up your xmltvids by hand

[16:18:52]

quicksilver:

it was certainly annoying but it didn't take long

[16:18:58]

awilkins:

toad_: Still problems with the auto-transcode?

[16:19:05]

quicksilver:

this was 14 months ago on 0.18 I don't know if things got better since

[16:19:05]

toad_:

the bug i'm currently struggling with is that myth doesn't – or doesn't always – transcode stuff that it was told to auto-transcode

[16:19:22]

Dibblah:

toad_: As I said earlier. Known bug.

[16:19:31]

awilkins:

I've read the jobqueue code, it should be queuing the transcode job just after the commflag job

[16:19:31]

toad_:

quicksilver: i thought the HOWTO was the definitive guide?

[16:19:38]

toad_:

Dibblah: not transcoding is a known bug?

[16:19:49]

Dibblah:

YES!

[16:19:52]

toad_:

okay

[16:19:57]

awilkins:

toad_: Have you got it set to execute > 1 job simulaneously.

[16:19:57]

toad_:

i didn't see you say that earlier

[16:20:03]

toad_:

if it's a known bug, i can work around it

[16:20:17]

quicksilver:

toad_: if only life was that simple

[16:20:26]

toad_:

anyone have a script to transcode all non-transcoded jobs?

[16:20:31]

juski:

toad_: that thing about mythtv adding all the channels you don't even get – that's a blatant PEBCAK error

[16:20:33]

quicksilver:

toad_: that HOWTO is american-centric, mark's guide has some UK snippets which I found helpful

[16:20:46]

toad_:

juski: a what error?

[16:20:51]

Paladine:

http://www.pastebin.ca/317398

[16:21:28]

juski:

it happens when a user says to xmltv 'okay, I can't be arsed with selecting only the channels I want, so I'll say 'ALL' '

[16:21:31]

awilkins:

toad_: I have some SQL script to queue all untranscoded recordings – but it's proabbly better not to do channel 4 and five

[16:21:33]

Dibblah:

toad_: AFAIK, http://svn.mythtv.com/trac/ticket/2077

[16:21:59]

toad_:

juski: how am i supposed to know what channels I get at that point?

[16:22:12]

juski:

toad_: you're just supposed to know

[16:22:24]

juski:

like you're expected to know which ITV & BBC region you live in

[16:22:28]

Dibblah:

juski: I think you're wrong, unfortunately.

[16:22:35]

Dibblah:

Sorry to be blunt :)

[16:22:36]

juski:

and what channels your provider has

[16:22:45]

toad_:

juski: well the real bug is it doesn't ask me to tell it what tunable channel corresponds to what listings channel

[16:22:51]

Dibblah:

"Fetch channels from listing source"

[16:23:01]

Dibblah:

Fills _all_ channels.

[16:23:02]

juski:

then maybe the mistake was to say 'get list of channels from grabber' which by default would be all of them

[16:23:10]

Paladine:

it also builds the Sky.xmltv config file for the grabber

[16:23:15]

toad_:

if it _asked me_ in the setup program which tuning channel corresponds to which listings channel, then I'd be very happy to tell it, it would take a little while, but then it would be sorted

[16:23:39]

juski:

I repeat if I could be bothered I'd crack on with my automagical configurer

[16:23:49]

Paladine:

thats channel list is the current one as well that I compiled myself

[16:23:51]

Dibblah:

Problem is, both parts just dump to the database.

[16:24:02]

Paladine:

the site the grabber getsit from is out of date

[16:24:02]

toad_:

well the setup program lets you sort out everything else

[16:24:15]

juski:

put too many buttons in front of someone & they'll press em all

[16:24:16]

rsdvd:

paladine – your list suffers from the same problems as mine – it is missing a few xmltvids.....especailly the +1 channels

[16:24:20]

toad_:

and the HOWTO *does not* explain that you have to configure that manually with mysql

[16:24:29]

toad_:

juski: no, the HOWTO *tells you to run both buttons*

[16:24:31]

Dibblah:

mythfilldatabase dumps channels with valid xmltvids but no tuning data. scan dumps just tuning data and no xmltvids.

[16:24:45]

Paladine:

rsdvd it has all the valid xmltvid's according to the radiotimes xml

[16:24:45]

juski:

don't follow US-centric howto guides then

[16:24:46]

toad_:

i was just following the documentation

[16:24:51]

Dibblah:

And they're not dumped to the same rows.

[16:24:54]

juski:

ah but where are all the UK-centric ones...

[16:25:04]

toad_:

well then the HOWTO should say that!

[16:25:06]

Paladine:

the only ones I mucked up were bbc1, 2 and itv

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rsdvd:

Paladine : ok !

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Paladine:

cos I never knew which xmltvid to use for them

[16:25:15]

Dibblah:

toad_: The main doc?

[16:25:30]

toad_:

Dibblah: the web site has "Documentation" linked to the US-centric HOWTO

[16:25:38]

juski:

users are expected to be able to read between the lines & be able to figure stuff out themselves

[16:25:43]

toad_:

which apparently works for the US

[16:25:55]

toad_:

it doesn't say anywhere that it's US-centric

[16:25:57]

Paladine:

there are still a few in that list which are not on the radiotimes xml file

[16:26:00]

Paladine:

I need to filter them out

[16:26:01]

juski:

and if less folks spent time whining about it & rather fixed it...

[16:26:10]

awilkins:

Which list?

[16:26:12]

awilkins:

My list?

[16:26:14]

juski:

(heaven forbid!)

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Paladine:

but as far as I know (I checked them myself) all the radio times ones are in that list

[16:26:32]

Paladine:

awilkins, no mine

[16:26:37]

awilkins:

Ah

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rsdvd:

does anyone know why the RadioTimes list does not have data for all these channels, when they are listed on the webpage and in the magazine?

[16:27:04]

juski:

rsdvd: they can't be bothered to have feeds for them?

[16:27:10]

Paladine:

awilkins, http://www.pastebin.ca/317398

[16:27:15]

toad_:

juski: i honestly cannot see what i have done wrong

[16:27:21]

Dibblah:

rsdvd: Which channels?

[16:27:27]

rsdvd:

Juski : lol – probably!

[16:27:34]

toad_:

juski: apart from not spending ANOTHER several weeks getting to grips with the code and trying to fix it

[16:27:39]

Paladine:

there are a lot of channels that radiotimes doesn't have xml feeds for

[16:27:48]

toad_:

which given the hostile response today i'm pretty reluctant to do

[16:27:52]

Paladine:

I would guess about 30% but haven't counted

[16:28:13]

toad_:

if I come here and ask for help, people tell me to follow the HOWTO

[16:28:20]

toad_:

if I follow the HOWTO, it messes up

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toad_:

which SHOULD HAVE BEEN MENTIONED IN THE HOWTO ANYWAY

[16:28:49]

Dibblah:

Problem is, the howto is written for primarily datadirect. Which works much easier.

[16:28:59]

juski:

toad_: the mistake you made was only pressing that 'grab channels from listings source' button AFAIK.

[16:28:59]

Dibblah:

toad_: Unfortunately, that only works for the UK.

[16:29:13]

juski:

it should be made clear that it isn't for non-zap2it users

[16:29:15]

Dibblah:

Many, many other countries don't have good EIT data at all.

[16:29:16]

toad_:

then juski tells me that the HOWTO is US-centric; why doesn't it say so? why is it linked as the primary documentation from the website? why does everyone assume it's the main doc even here?

[16:29:43]

juski:

documentation isn't this community's strong suit

[16:29:44]

toad_:

juski: so the mythfilldatabase run afterwards wouldn't have grabbed all the channels?

[16:29:57]

awilkins:

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toad_:

juski: and the frontend would have asked me to identify which channel corresponds to which channel?

[16:30:07]

juski:

I'll say it again

[16:30:08]

juski:

documentation isn't this community's strong suit

[16:30:12]

Dibblah:

toad_: "If you're outside of North America, then some manual interaction will be required with XMLTV. You may need to switch from the MythTV setup program to the console it was run on to interact with XMLTV."

[16:30:19]

toad_:

Dibblah: indeed!

[16:30:27]

Dibblah:

But that's all the hints you get :)

[16:30:28]

toad_:

Dibblah: I did; it asked me whether I want to add each channel, one by one

[16:30:29]

awilkins:

mythfilldatabase grabs all the channels in the .xmltv file in your .mythtv folder

[16:30:33]

Paladine:

toad, how about you go buy windows MCE or something, then you won;t be an annoying demanding idiot from people providing you with free software and free support

[16:30:38]

juski:

toad_: that's what should happen

[16:30:43]

toad_:

I assumed reasonably that that's the "manual interaction"

[16:30:47]

awilkins:

If there is no channel with that xmltvid in the database, it will insert one

[16:30:51]

toad_:

Paladine: I haven't personally run windows for many years

[16:31:02]

juski:

toad_: but rather than get bored & say "sod it I'll just say 'ALL'' you must persist

[16:31:05]

toad_:

Paladine: i am actually a professional software dev in my other life

[16:31:15]

Paladine:

well behave like one then

[16:31:24]

Paladine:

instead of like some kid who had his candy bar taken away

[16:31:38]

toad_:

juski: right, which means you have to install it first, find out exactly what channels you get, and then reinstall it again and tell it which ones you get? and then it will work?

[16:31:53]

Paladine:

you wanna be treated like an intelligent adult, you better be prepared to behave like one, or you will just be ignored

[16:32:01]

juski:

toad_: you should know which channels you get before you even start

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fryfrog:

toad_: don't you ever watch normal tv?

[16:32:14]

Dibblah:

Is it hot in here, or is it just me? ;)

[16:32:16]

rsdvd:

toad_ surely you are best placed to know what channels you get BEFORE you install? after all you are the one that has been watching them

[16:32:19]

toad_:

fryfrog: I don't have a freeview box

[16:32:26]

toad_:

I have cable

[16:32:30]

toad_:

which has a different set of channels

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fryfrog:

toad_: ah, so you are using a dvb card or something?

[16:32:37]

toad_:

yes, this is DVB-T

[16:32:38]

Dagmar:

So make a zap2it account already

[16:32:42]

toad_:

Paladine: i have tried to

[16:32:52]

toad_:

Dagmar: that works in the UK? and it's documented ... where ... ?

[16:32:52]

fryfrog:

toad_: i have the same problem, since i have HD OTA (from cable)

[16:32:55]

Dibblah:

DVB-c would be cable.

[16:32:56]

fryfrog:

i solved it by making two line ups

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toad_:

I'm not interested in a quick fix frankly here

[16:33:04]

fryfrog:

one was a "scan" of what i had, the other was an xml listing

[16:33:12]

toad_:

I'm interested in fixing the underlying buggy software and/or buggy documentation

[16:33:17]

Dibblah:

DVB-t would be terrestrial.

[16:33:20]

Dagmar:

toad_: How would you know if you've not tried?

[16:33:21]

rsdvd:

toad_ : if you are using DVB then just get mythtv-setup to scan for channels – then you will know what is available

[16:33:21]

fryfrog:

i used the xml made listing to get the xmltv ids and other stuff, then copied the data into the db for the scanned listing

[16:33:22]

toad_:

in the first instance by identifying a specific bug or feature request to file

[16:33:35]

awilkins:

Well, the way I did it was to tune the channels, edit the XMLTVID values into the rows, then select that out into the .xmltv file THEN run mythfilldatabase

[16:33:40]

juski:

toad_: I'll ask again did you read the mythtv wiki page about xmltv in the uk

[16:33:44]

quicksilver:

the underlying problem is that there is NO MAPPING between xmltvids and channel IDs

[16:33:52]

Dibblah:

toad_: Okay. This is primarily in the channel scanner and mythtv-setup.

[16:33:53]

juski:

quicksilver: not yet

[16:33:56]

awilkins:

Beware, if you overlap useonairguide and xmltv it really screws up

[16:34:00]

quicksilver:

it's not trivially easy to create one, since it's region specific

[16:34:01]

toad_:

juski: nope, it wasn't linked from anywhere, and in many days on this irc channel today is the first time it was mentioned

[16:34:19]

quicksilver:

however it clearly could be created and maintained in principle

[16:34:20]

juski:

more folks should look in the wiki but for some reason they don't

[16:34:31]

juski:

maybe the link from the main site is too small

[16:34:32]

quicksilver:

I guess it would have to ask you where you were in the country and make some sensible guesses from that

[16:34:39]

toad_:

quicksilver: the problem is that myth does not ask the user to connect the xml channels to the tunable channels, correct?

[16:34:49]

juski:

my plan is to have a wizard thing

[16:34:51]

quicksilver:

that's part of the problem

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awilkins:

quicksilver: Should be enough to find which transmitter you are on

[16:34:58]

Dagmar:

channels should be allowed to roam free!

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toad_:

juski: the Documentation link goes straight to the US-specific HOWTO, without any indication that it's US-specific

[16:35:03]

briand:

juski: do they have "spoonfeeding = yes" configured in the wiki setup? ;)

[16:35:05]

juski:

enter your postcode / provider details & it populates xmltvids, channels, icons...

[16:35:07]

awilkins:

quicksilver: Which AFAIK is part of the DVB datastream

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toad_:

juski: that would be great

[16:35:14]

Dagmar:

They should be formally given the right of freedom to associate with whoever they want!

[16:35:18]

quicksilver:

awilkins: interesting, I didn't know that

[16:35:27]

Dibblah:

toad_: From my point of view, the problem is that this is all happening in mythtv-setup.

[16:35:30]

juski:

toad_: one thing. i can't be arsed to do it when there are other things to play with

[16:35:39]

juski:

this 'works for me (tm)' stuff

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toad_:

the problem is that mythtv-setup does 80% of what you need. but if you follow the HOWTO, the last 20% isn't documented at all.

[16:36:12]

juski:

so stop being a part of the problem

[16:36:19]

awilkins:

The callsigns are standard, which is a shame because the regional variations are not callsigned seperately.

[16:36:22]

juski:

heh easy for me to say

[16:36:29]

toad_:

lol

[16:36:29]

Dibblah:

And be part of the precipitate!

[16:36:32]

quicksilver:

toad_: not quite 'not documented at all'

[16:36:38]

juski:

callsigns are irrelevant in the uk anyway

[16:36:40]

quicksilver:

toad_: just 'not documented in the same palace'

[16:36:43]

Paladine:

i got all my instructions from the wiki, including xmltv setup

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toad_:

quicksilver: okay, not in any way linked to the official documentation

[16:36:51]

Dibblah:

juski: Actually, they're handy.

[16:36:51]

** quicksilver nods **

[16:37:06]

awilkins:

juski: They're useful for nationally uniform channels

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Dibblah:

juski: tv_grab_uk_rt does generate callsigns.

[16:37:11]

juski:

what are they handy for?

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awilkins:

Which is most of them

[16:37:17]

juski:

they're just the same as the name

[16:37:19]

awilkins:

You can map them to xmltvid for onw thing

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Dibblah:

juski: Because they fit in all the places they _should_ fit in the display :)

[16:37:33]

awilkins:

name/callsign being used interchanably

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toad_:

so what changes are proposed? 1) don't link Documentation to the US-specific HOWTO ? 2) link it, but edit page 9, include the fact that you should probably just tell it to use EIT data only unless you are in the US?

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juski:

Dibblah: eh?

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Dibblah:

toad_: That doesn't help.

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toad_:

Dibblah: it certainly helped for me

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juski:

what's UKTV Documentary channel's callsign then?

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psm321:

is there a channel log somewhere?

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awilkins:

juski: ewmmm

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juski:

cos that sure as hell won't fit in any OSD I've seen

[16:38:29]

Dibblah:

toad_: We need to split this out. Would you be OK going to PM?

[16:38:34]

toad_:

very happy

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juski:

anyway I'm off. my piss is boiling

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MythLogBot: url

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Paladine:

callsign can be whatever you like

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Merlin83b:

MythLogBot: help

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Merlin83b:

MythLogBot: help list

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Merlin83b:

MythLogBot: list

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Merlin83b:

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Merlin83b:

psm321: It's there.

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awilkins:

MythLogBot: trout Paladine

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** MythLogBot slaps Paladine with a trout on behalf of awilkins... **

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psm321:

Merlin83b: thanks!

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Paladine:

?

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Paladine:

trouting someone who is barely conscious achieves little

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Paladine:

or are you just jealous of my uber TCL coding?

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awilkins:

TCL? Yeek!

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** awilkins cowers in fear **

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Paladine:

did you not check the pastebin of my scipt and config for xmltv?

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awilkins:

No, just one of the files

[16:40:46]

Paladine:

there be some uber tcl there

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Paladine:

http://www.pastebin.ca/317398

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Paladine:

after the channel_list file listing

[16:41:11]

Paladine:

is the script

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** awilkins scrolls down a bit **

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Paladine:

line 444

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awilkins:

Looks like s shell script to me

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awilkins:

A TCL shell script, true

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awilkins:

If it was a bash script it might have more universality

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awilkins:

It might even be a nice thing to submit to the mythtv repository, once the regional variations thing has been dealt with.

[16:43:51]

Paladine:

I prefer tcl's string manipulation

[16:44:19]

awilkins:

True, but not everyone has tclsh installed

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Paladine:

I tried writing it with cut in bash but couldn't get it to work

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Paladine:

cut seems odd

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awilkins:

Hmm, Im not sure how I'd do it TBH

[16:45:15]

Paladine:

you can do some really nice nesting in tcl for parsing input

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awilkins:

I could write a powershell script to do it very fast, but not many linux boxes have that either :-)

[16:45:23]

Paladine:

much easier to read imo

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Dagmar:

Man, WTF

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Dagmar:

If you're coding in TCL you have no room to be criticizing bash script

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rsdvd:

the best language to use would have been perl?

[16:46:48]

Dagmar:

rsdvd: probably

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Paladine:

if my tcl coding works perfectly for the job it is supposed to do, I have ever place to criticise whatever I like :p

[16:47:01]

awilkins:

Yeah, and the whole script would be one line – hwrxjpktl!(*&1234

[16:47:06]

Dagmar:

But at least when bash goes up a micro revision, functions don't up and break or switch the order of their arguments.

[16:47:09]

rsdvd:

most distros will have perl by default and it is perfect for that kind of thing

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Paladine:

yeah but I don't know perl

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Paladine:

I used what tools I had at my disposal to accomplish a goal

[16:47:46]

Dagmar:

If I can decipher this tcl I could do it in perl and bash, either one

[16:47:54]

Paladine:

that goal was accomplished and I have anicely built channel table and xmltv config

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quicksilver:

most distros have tcl I imagine

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Paladine:

most distros do have tcl

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quicksilver:

well in easy reach, at least

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quicksilver:

if not installed by default

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Dagmar:

Dude, I think this might actually be *shorter* in bash

[16:49:10]

Paladine:

I don't care how it is in bash, I wrote it in tcl and it is a sweet little script :p

[16:49:26]

Dagmar:

That's like saying "It's a good sucking chest wound"

[16:49:48]

Paladine:

dude the script works

[16:49:50]

Paladine:

wtf is your problem

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Dagmar:

It's in TCL.

[16:50:04]

Paladine:

and

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Paladine:

you think rewriting it in bash gives you a bigger vpenis or something?

[16:50:24]

juski:

mine is gonna be in perl

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quicksilver:

I'm gonna write in haskell, just to make my vpenis the biggest of all

[16:50:56]

Paladine:

I will write it in cobol

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Paladine:

or lisp

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Dagmar:

This thing reads in a whitespace separated file, and feeds those arguments, in order, to mysql.

[16:51:20]

juski:

right.. this was the beginning of my wizard effort http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php? . . . orum_id=7270

[16:51:44]

juski:

it will grow legs & go far

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quicksilver:

feed it on red bull

[16:51:59]

Paladine:

no it doesn't feed in a white space seperated file

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juski:

once I get off my fat arse & do something with it

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juski:

all my work is on my old box's hdd which I can easily pluck out

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Paladine:

juski, I used tabs for ease of reading as I was manually compiling the list by hand

[16:53:43]

juski:

fair 'nuff

[16:53:51]

juski:

why stop there? ;)

[16:53:54]

Paladine:

I could have used : or anything else, but tabs made it easier to read and spot typos

[16:54:06]

juski:

someone was even kind enough to make a whole NTL config file

[16:54:26]

juski:

we can have all the configs hosted centrally, a bit like zap2it but free

[16:54:57]

juski:

obviously sod all use to analogue TV users – but there's no point trying to help em anyway

[16:55:09]

mchou:

damn, I'm confused by all this hard drive gobblygook. WTF is "nearline??"

[16:55:10]

Paladine:

it took me hours and a lot of boredom typing that channel list file and triple checking it

[16:55:25]

juski:

Paladine: I hear you

[16:55:47]

juski:

Paladine: it'd be possible to scrape pages of lists & use perl-fu to turn them into files/tables

[16:55:59]

juski:

still need checking of course

[16:56:12]

Paladine:

juski, the problem is the only list I could find that was accurate was a word document using columns

[16:56:40]

rsdvd:

there is a similar script floating round, that uses digitalspy.co.uk website and the compares it to radio times

[16:56:59]

juski:

rsdvd: saw that. it didn't go far enough IMHO

[16:57:00]

Paladine:

the digitalspy list is out of date

[16:57:02]

Paladine:

significantly

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Paladine:

it had a bunch of channels wrong

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rsdvd:

I started with that – then added to it

[16:57:28]

Paladine:

and was missing a bunch too

[16:57:56]

rsdvd:

is there no 'genuine' sky channel data?

[16:58:05]

juski:

rsdvd: nope

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Paladine:

problem is there needs to be someway of keeping a central file upto date

[16:58:22]

juski:

Paladine: so? it's not gonna be rocket science

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Paladine:

i can't take responsibility for it cos I can't guarantee I will update my own file immediately a channel changes

[16:58:35]

Paladine:

or even if I will notice if a new channel starts

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juski:

how often does that stuff change, realistically?

[16:58:54]

Paladine:

so it would need a concerted effort

[16:58:55]

juski:

not weekly, surely

[16:59:04]

Paladine:

no not weekly

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Paladine:

although the changes can be frequant

[16:59:16]

juski:

renumbering channels is a PITA for $ky too

[16:59:40]

rsdvd:

can we not make use of this : http://www.sky.com/portal/site/skycom/tvlistings

[16:59:47]

Paladine:

it would be nice if radiotimes did xml feeds for all the channels

[16:59:59]

quicksilver:

it doesn't have to be perfect, surely

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Paladine:

but most of my EPG is populated

[17:00:07]

quicksilver:

it can be mostly up to date

[17:00:19]

quicksilver:

and any number of people can host updated files on their personal webspace or whatever

[17:00:25]

juski:

I dunno why but my faith in users has all but vanished

[17:00:26]

quicksilver:

make it easy for the users to help and they proabbly will

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quicksilver:

If when Film4 went free all I had to do was update one file for my own use and put it on the wiki too, I might have done that

[17:00:57]

quicksilver:

people are more likely to help as you lower the barrier

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Paladine:

well i am perfectly happy for people to use the file

[17:01:13]

Paladine:

I have no problem there

[17:01:20]

Paladine:

I wouldn't have pastebin'd it if I did :)

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juski:

Paladine: I'll dig out the HDD & show you what I was up to

[17:02:02]

juski:

that's where my postcode lookup thing comes in :)

[17:02:08]

Paladine:

I left them blank in the file (no xmltvid)

[17:02:43]

Paladine:

although they are avilable in the last channels in the list

[17:02:52]

juski:

my aim was to have the user enter postcode / provider / package name & then it'd take care of everything

[17:03:04]

Paladine:

that would be sweet

[17:03:10]

juski:

yup

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juski:

all it needs is the raw data

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juski:

the postcode stuff is in place

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rsdvd:

juski : Iam not a very strong desinger/programmer – but I would be willing to help you in any way I can

[17:03:42]

juski:

itv/bbc regions to postcode mapping – was hardly a doddle

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Paladine:

hehehe

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Paladine:

I bet you didn't attempt channel 5 :p

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juski:

haha no

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Paladine:

hehehehe

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juski:

inititally I was gonna do it for analogue frews. too

[17:04:35]

juski:

but then thought "nah, fuck em"

[17:04:57]

Paladine:

"You might be able to get channel if your name is Peter Smith and you ive in the top of an Oast House in th South Downs..."

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Paladine:

crap that was meant to read channel 5

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juski:

channel5 was instrumental in my decision to not bother

[17:05:26]

Paladine:

in fact the whole line is full of typos

[17:05:27]

Paladine:

so fuck it

[17:05:34]

Dagmar:

http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/foolio.pl.txt

[17:05:37]

juski:

as was the analogue switchoff :)

[17:05:38]

Dagmar:

I *&think* that will do the same thing in perl

[17:05:47]

Dagmar:

I haven't really checked, but it ain't that complex a task

[17:05:59]

Paladine:

your apache-fu sux0rs :p

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juski:

the thing is.. I was attacking it from a structured xml-esque point of view so this could be useful for folks outside the UK aswell

[17:06:32]

juski:

with the right data...

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juski:

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juski:

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Dagmar:

no, my apache-fu just don't give a damn about what is on that server

[17:07:24]

toad_:

you don't have to ask for postcode, surely you can just get the user to select which variant of BBC ONE he has?

[17:07:26]

Paladine:

yeah I was thinking of wirting something a little more graceful and nationally independent but I didn't have time and needed to do it for practical purposes asap

[17:07:27]

juski:

<icon>http://foobar.com/bbc1.jpg</icon>

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Paladine:

since I had no stb control until i did

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juski:

toad_: did you know which one it is?

[17:07:44]

toad_:

yes

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toad_:

but it *never asked me*

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juski:

amazing

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toad_:

i'm supposed to know – even though it's not documented in the official documentation – that you have to run mythtv-setup (which i did), *then* in the front end, press E on each channel and assign a tvid

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juski:

some of the xmltv ids aren't exactly logical either

[17:09:01]

juski:

and it's too much to expect a dumb user to know where he lives

[17:09:05]

toad_:

i dunno if you have to type it in, or if you can select it

[17:09:06]

juski:

that's my rationale

[17:09:07]

Paladine:

or you can write a script (oh mr software developer) to populate your own channel table in the mythconverg database :p

[17:09:07]

toad_:

well

[17:09:30]

toad_:

i think you could reasonably have an extra stage in mythtv-setup, which asks the user for each tunable channel which listings channel it corresponds to

[17:09:37]

toad_:

at least you could for DVB-T

[17:09:40]

toad_:

DVB in general

[17:09:42]

juski:

toad_: tunable channels are going the way of the dodo

[17:09:42]

** quicksilver nods **

[17:09:48]

quicksilver:

juski: ?

[17:10:09]

juski:

and how the fuck is mr user expected to know which xmltvid is for 'more4' anyway?

[17:10:28]

toad_:

juski: the listings source includes channel names

[17:10:31]

juski:

that wasn't the best example, because that happens to be one of the logical ones

[17:10:41]

toad_:

juski: you just give them a drop down with all of them

[17:10:45]

Paladine:

yeah the xmltvid's are not comprehensive

[17:10:50]

juski:

Euserchosethewrong one

[17:10:55]

Paladine:

they change tld's the change naming conventions

[17:10:59]

juski:

take the margin for error out

[17:11:03]

Paladine:

itisimpossible to know without a reference

[17:11:07]

toad_:

yes, automatic would certainly be better

[17:11:14]

juski:

remove the user!

[17:11:16]

toad_:

but being able to do it AT ALL would be an immense improvement

[17:11:33]

Paladine:

there he goes with the childish caps again

[17:11:41]

Paladine:

see dude, and you wonder why people ignore your pleas

[17:11:50]

** toad_ apologises for his offensive *emphasis* **

[17:12:12]

juski:

hate to think what you reckon to my _obsessive_ _underlining_. pfft

[17:12:20]

toad_:

you run it after mythfilldatabase, so you know a channel name for each xmltvid, right?

[17:12:24]

Dagmar:

Hey, learn to use VT-100 escape sequences like God and the Finnish intendded.

[17:12:28]

Paladine:

my 1 year old throws tantrums, i don't expect people my age to be doing the same :p

[17:12:42]

toad_:

so you give the user one channel name from DVB, and a list of channel names from xmltv channels

[17:12:45]

toad_:

is that possible?

[17:12:48]

juski:

Paladine: lucky you're not juski.co.uk or you'd be deleted again

[17:12:52]

Dagmar:

I hate bash with a passion, but jesus tcl is worse. Heh

[17:13:08]

juski:

I love tantrums. they're so linuxy

[17:13:12]

Paladine:

juski, that went right over my head and out of the window...eh?

[17:13:14]

toad_:

juski: is that possible?

[17:13:34]

toad_:

juski: at least in the case of DVB? (you'd need to show live TV for analog)?

[17:13:44]

juski:

toad_: I dunno. it'd be entirely possible to give channels proper xmltvids you can work out just by looking at em

[17:14:00]

juski:

choice.bbc.co.uk. ffs

[17:14:11]

Paladine:

thats bbc3right?

[17:14:16]

juski:

yup

[17:14:24]

Dagmar:

OMG YOU BICAPITALIZED THAT STRUCT NAME!?!@

[17:14:26]

Paladine:

see what I mean about the change in naming conventions

[17:14:33]

toad_:

juski: when you configure video sources, it asks you whether you want each channel. it does it by asking you by its proper name.

[17:14:33]

** quicksilver tries some /offensive/ /italics/ **

[17:14:36]

Paladine:

thats why you need a master file for the xmltvids

[17:14:42]

toad_:

juski: so we do have proper channel names for each grabber channel

[17:14:50]

quicksilver:

juski: what did you mean about tunable channels going the way of the dodo?

[17:14:58]

juski:

toad_: we just get rid of that bit & reduce it to 2 or 3 questions

[17:15:03]

Dagmar:

These are italics right here.

[17:15:15]

Dagmar:

Er no wait... Hmm... /me scratches head

[17:15:18]

juski:

then the user won't get bored & just say "fuck it! all of them" then whine when it doesn't work

[17:15:22]

toad_:

juski: "where do you live? do you want to see any non-FTA channels? do you want to risk the RT feed?"

[17:15:30]

juski:

no...

[17:15:46]

juski:

you'll see

[17:15:48]

Dagmar:

I think this might be underline. Damnit 1992 seems so far away

[17:16:05]

juski:

ugh! dagmar what on Earth is that?

[17:16:07]

Paladine:

don't make me ansi reverse your ass dagmar :p

[17:16:10]

toad_:

juski: is there a mythtv beer fund or some similar way i can encourage you? :)

[17:16:16]

juski:

toad_: nope

[17:16:31]

juski:

my motivation is pretty low these days

[17:16:38]

toad_:

ah well

[17:16:38]

Dagmar:

juski: Trying to remember what the hell the vt100 formatting codes were, only partially successfully. Did that do something wack on your end or something?

[17:16:41]

juski:

works for me, I might never use it...

[17:16:56]

juski:

besides do I not already do enough?

[17:17:12]

Paladine:

man I guess I am staying up for a few more hours

[17:17:20]

Paladine:

pointless going to bed at 5:20pm

[17:17:24]

toad_:

well, how much work would it be to have an extra setup stage to ask the user explicitly which channel corresponds to which channel, with a list of possible channels by name?

[17:17:32]

juski:

toad_: loads

[17:17:36]

toad_:

:<

[17:17:48]

toad_:

juski: why (short version)?

[17:18:04]

Dagmar:

toad_: It would mean questions from people asking how to get back to that, but not from the beginning, nooo... they'd have to have it start where they got bored, hit ^C and said "I'll do this later" and then screwed up their channel data

[17:18:12]

juski:

for one thing, the xmltv guys have their own ideas about how tv_grab_uk_rt should work

[17:18:24]

toad_:

:|

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Paladine:

just in the UK alone you have terrestrial, freeview digital terrestrial, sky, ntl/telewest/et/al cable, then you have different packages of each of the proprietry services

[17:18:40]

Paladine:

so the number of possible channel combinations for the UK alone is huge

[17:18:43]

toad_:

well the idea would be to have mythtv-setup feed "all" to the grabber

[17:18:45]

juski:

and do you have any idea how many people I've seen in here who just said (and I repeat) "I'm bored.. ALL!"

[17:19:05]

toad_:

and then we just go through each tunable channel, and present a list of grabbed channels

[17:19:07]

juski:

it used to be far, far better

[17:19:20]

juski:

you actively had to enter channel names & it'd present you with the best matches

[17:19:25]

Paladine:

I have zero tunable channels

[17:19:51]

juski:

that went bye-byes for some reason & it was replaced by the bloody awful way of asking you about every last channel

[17:20:00]

toad_:

:|

[17:20:14]

Dibblah:

juski: We have a suggestion :)

[17:20:17]

juski:

nothing to do with mythtv either

[17:20:26]

juski:

Dibblah: ?

[17:20:56]

Dibblah:

Mythfilldatabase only fills into rows in the channel database with valid xmltvids

[17:21:01]

juski:

buy me a mac mini (the top end one) & I might finish what I started

[17:21:04]

juski:

:)

[17:21:10]

Dibblah:

The rest of the data, it fills into newchannels.

[17:21:20]

juski:

yup

[17:21:23]

juski:

which is ugly

[17:21:35]

Dibblah:

Add a UI, very similar to the program guide from livetv.

[17:21:46]

Dibblah:

This is during setup only, btw.

[17:21:52]

juski:

ui programming ain't my strong suit

[17:22:00]

toad_:

mine neither :|

[17:22:24]

Dibblah:

Even just use the program guide. And present the two lists of channels, with the livetv preview available.

[17:22:34]

juski:

get the ocnfig wizard finished then it could be incorporated

[17:22:47]

toad_:

i thought mythtv-setup _was_ the setup wizard

[17:22:48]

Dibblah:

Wizard?

[17:22:52]

Dibblah:

Is that in a branch?

[17:22:58]

juski:

Dibblah: for like 300+ channels for folks with $ky ? ouch

[17:23:12]

Dibblah:

juski: What's the current alternative?

[17:23:27]

juski:

Dibblah: the thing I'm talking about.. a uk user will answer a few dumb questions then my program will fill everything in

[17:23:50]

Dagmar:

Require invite codes to be sent out by current users who have the exact same TV service as the people they're giving the codes to

[17:23:51]

Paladine:

juski 437 i think for sky

[17:23:52]

juski:

it'd involve quitting out of mythtv-setup at first but hell

[17:23:53]

Dibblah:

Doesn't work for like you said, Sky, Does it?

[17:23:57]

toad_:

juski: you could even auto-match the obvious ones. if you have the channel name from the tuner, and the channel name from the listings, you can identify that two strings are the same, and auto-match; or you can identify that one string starts with the other, and put them at the top of the list

[17:24:02]

Dagmar:

So that way you can know who to copy the configuration data from

[17:24:25]

juski:

look I've decided how I'm going to do it already

[17:24:32]

Dibblah:

Heh :)

[17:24:33]

toad_:

and you definitely do have channel names from both sources, since both are presented in the UI

[17:24:38]

Dibblah:

juski: Only works for the UK...

[17:24:41]

toad_:

in different places

[17:24:44]

juski:

location / provider / package ...

[17:25:05]

Paladine:

dibblah you need to get off this tuner thing

[17:25:06]

juski:

I populate the database of wizard stuff (with help).. other countries can do likewise

[17:25:11]

Paladine:

sky users don't use a tuner

[17:25:18]

Paladine:

they use their sky box and svideo

[17:25:19]

Dibblah:

Paladine: Eh?

[17:25:26]

Paladine:

Imeant toad sorry

[17:25:34]

toad_:

Paladine: same thing – it's tunable if you have a means to receive video from it

[17:25:48]

Paladine:

no an svideo is not tuneable

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toad_:

Paladine: you have digital output from your sky box? in the uk?

[17:25:53]

Paladine:

itis a video input

[17:25:57]

Dibblah:

toad_: I do.

[17:26:01]

toad_:

cool!

[17:26:16]

Dibblah:

It involves _lots_ of soldering, and a Pace Sky+.

[17:26:30]

juski:

postcode: m40 3XX provider: NTL package: family pack... off goes the script, squirting channels into my database with numbers, xmltvids, icons, the lot

[17:26:34]

Dibblah:

And a BT878 card with custom drivers.

[17:26:51]

juski:

give the user the option to (long-windedly) go through and manually configure it

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juski:

none of it is hard

[17:27:15]

toad_:

juski: why is that better?

[17:27:24]

juski:

toad_: take the user out

[17:27:29]

Dibblah:

Because it's automated.

[17:27:32]

juski:

users are fucking clueless

[17:27:32]

toad_:

ok

[17:27:38]

juski:

they bore easily too

[17:27:43]

toad_:

it does mean you have to maintain a list of channels for each provider

[17:27:51]

toad_:

if a new channel turns up, you have to have somebody add it

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juski:

so? they don't change _that_ often

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Paladine:

toad, that is needed anyway

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toad_:

whereas we can have it more fully automated if you correlate the tuner list with the listings list

[17:28:22]

juski:

toad_: nope

[17:28:28]

Paladine:

for the epg and scheduling to work properly we need master files for all providers

[17:28:30]

juski:

not when $ky renumbers all the channels.

[17:28:30]

toad_:

juski: why?

[17:28:34]

Paladine:

or people will always be having problems

[17:28:58]

toad_:

Paladine: so you can't just take the human readable channel names from the tuner and from the listings source?

[17:29:08]

toad_:

Paladine: reason why that isn't possible?

[17:29:10]

juski:

toad_: you seen how windows MCE gets configured? it's bloody genius

[17:29:32]

Dibblah:

juski: That's easy when you have a full Tribune feed.

[17:29:34]

Paladine:

toad, yeah big reason, you can't view livetv from mythtv-setup to see what the channel name is

[17:29:49]

juski:

Dibblah: no reason we can't do the same kind of thing

[17:29:49]

toad_:

Paladine: can't you do a batch fetch?

[17:29:52]

Dibblah:

Paladine: You can from the frontend, though.

[17:30:07]

toad_:

well yeah we could do this on first run of the frontend or something

[17:30:12]

Paladine:

toad, there is zero channel info sent down the svideo link

[17:30:17]

Paladine:

just a video signal

[17:30:21]

juski:

who's this 'we' btw?

[17:30:29]

toad_:

Paladine: agreed, it wouldn't work for analog, but analog doesn't have hundreds of channels

[17:30:39]

Paladine:

I have hundreds of channels

[17:30:45]

juski:

toad_: if you were using a set top box into a pvr card, there's no scanning involved

[17:30:53]

Paladine:

and I use svideo out from my stb to svideo in on my pvr card to view them

[17:31:08]

toad_:

Paladine: and irblaster?

[17:31:12]

juski:

cliche time.. "think outside the box"

[17:31:16]

Dibblah:

That's easy. OCR. ;)

[17:31:26]

Paladine:

no I have a usb>rf2 controller

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Paladine:

more jazzy than an IRBlaster :p

[17:31:51]

juski:

last I heard about OCR in linux was that it was a tad myopic

[17:32:05]

Dibblah:

Doesn't matter. It's a fixed font.

[17:32:13]

Dibblah:

Well, actually, it's not.

[17:32:25]

juski:

might have problems if the UI is translucent

[17:32:28]

juski:

which it usually is

[17:32:38]

toad_:

it works for antispam..

[17:32:41]

Dibblah:

But I had 99.5% accuracy when I last did my Sky channel scrape.

[17:32:54]

toad_:

i have a spamassassin plugin that OCRs spam to identify it

[17:32:56]

juski:

are you thinking what I'm thinking?

[17:33:09]

Dibblah:

Nope.

[17:33:13]

juski:

hey user! press 'guide' on the set top box! reading channels...

[17:33:15]

clintar_:

what's a good ATSC tuner card for mythtv?

[17:33:21]

Dibblah:

I'm thinking it's almost dinner time.

[17:33:25]

toad_:

hehe that would be nice

[17:33:28]

juski:

hey user! press page down on your STB remote!

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Dibblah:

juski: Yes, that'd be nice. But it doesn't help.

[17:33:42]

juski:

aye

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Paladine:

juski, this rf kit I am using would be cabale of that with the correct software

[17:33:51]

Dibblah:

... The channel names again don't map to anything.

[17:33:53]

juski:

anyway I like my idea best

[17:34:01]

Paladine:

capable

[17:34:03]

Dibblah:

Of course you do :)

[17:34:10]

toad_:

juski: so my suggestion is technically possible but would be harder?

[17:34:17]

juski:

toad_: I dunno

[17:34:24]

juski:

all I know is I'm gonna do my idea, and screw you guys

[17:34:28]

juski:

maybe

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toad_:

fair enough

[17:34:44]

Paladine:

I am gonna roll a joint

[17:34:45]

juski:

it needs to be in extensible format like xml, all the data

[17:34:46]

toad_:

it's the "maybe" that worries me :|

[17:34:53]

Paladine:

dun care what you ugys do

[17:35:12]

toad_:

well i wish you luck, and motivation

[17:35:23]

toad_:

i suspect that implementing my way in myth would take me at least 6 months

[17:35:26]

juski:

you could even just have a database on a server & generate config files on the fly

[17:35:28]

toad_:

and i don't really have the time

[17:35:47]

toad_:

i do know c++, but i don't know myth

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juski:

speaking of this idea.. anyone seen Kelerion recently?

[17:36:01]

juski:

!seen Kelerion

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MythLogBot:

Kelerion was last seen 19 days 1 hour 23 minutes 34 seconds ago

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juski:

no would be answer to that question then

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kslater:

!seen ivor

[17:36:31]

MythLogBot:

ivor is here and has been idle for 5 days 9 hours 41 minutes 28 seconds

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kslater:

he's a slacker!

[17:36:48]

kslater:

;-)

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juski:

toad_: so with my er.. 6 themes, the graft I put in to exhibit mythtv last year, the way I hang out here trying to be helpful.. and I moderate a forum... erm... let's see

[17:37:17]

toad_:

i would just submit a patch to the documentation, but i'm not sure that there _is_ a Right Way to do it at this point

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toad_:

juski: sorry if I appear critical

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quicksilver:

juski: we love you dearly juski, and we don't tell you often enough

[17:37:47]

juski:

toad_: I admit I botch my config & I don't know what the right way is either

[17:37:55]

Dagmar:

Better watch it. I think he's been drinking.

[17:38:02]

toad_:

juski: you've been really helpful, as have several others, today and previously

[17:38:06]

kslater:

juski – thought of you whilst watching a Modern Marvels show on brewing

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Dagmar:

Next thing you know his hand's gonna "slip"

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toad_:

but you'd get fewer people like me if you implement what you've been talking about

[17:38:26]

juski:

toad_: we know

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Dagmar:

juski: sounds like a ringing endorsement of the plan to me.

[17:38:43]

toad_:

so good luck with it

[17:38:54]

juski:

all a good idea takes to get off the ground is for someone to get off his arse & do it

[17:39:20]

kslater:

they had a factoid about the beer flood of Oct 1814 that killed 8

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juski:

heheh 'all'. I like that. it's like me saying 'just' re-write the mythtv UI

[17:39:25]

toad_:

juski: the right way with the current code is to install it, add a listings source, then go into frontend, go to each channel, press E and choose/specify an xmltvid ?

[17:39:32]

Dagmar:

Well, someone with an ISP that doesn't have a "no servers of any kind" policy to do it

[17:39:37]

juski:

toad_: I dunno

[17:39:45]

toad_:

Dagmar: what's the problem with servers?

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juski:

I normally skip the manual config bit & just populate the file myself

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Dagmar:

toad_: They're plotting against us, man

[17:40:08]

juski:

then hand-edit the database

[17:40:31]

juski:

but now I have a table of channels & xmltvids, so I just do some perl-fu

[17:40:35]

toad_:

which table?

[17:40:35]

eldowan:

I just completed a mythtv install, and I get no fonts. Is there a specific font package that I should have?

[17:40:50]

juski:

toad_: the table I made with xmltvids, channel numbers & crap

[17:40:56]

Dagmar:

eldowan: You mean like, Freetype and the basic set of fonts that come with Xorg/Xfree?

[17:41:13]

toad_:

i mean which table do you hack in the database?

[17:41:15]

juski:

toad_: it's no good for anyone else cos it's only channels I like :)

[17:41:18]

juski:

toad_: channel

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juski:

amazingly that's where all the channel information is kept ;)

[17:41:57]

eldowan:

let me explain, when I get to the setup screens, I can configure the mythtv system correctly, and the setup fonts show. However, no regular menu fonts show.

[17:42:03]

quicksilver:

apropos of nothing in particular, what is it about TVs that causes text to appear 'smooth' even though it isn't antialiased?

[17:42:17]

Dagmar:

eldowan: Turn off the OpenGL paint engine

[17:42:20]

quicksilver:

is it that the phospor dots have a somehow softer rounder feel than computer monitors?

[17:42:21]

juski:

actually I won't make it public cos in reality all I watch is viewer's wives porn & celeb big brother

[17:42:34]

eldowan:

quicksilver: a TV has a huge dot-pitch, which means the pixels are further apart.

[17:42:45]

juski:

quicksilver: the lower effective res. for one thing

[17:42:46]

Dagmar:

quicksilver: The blurry is built right into the TV as a "feature"

[17:42:47]

eldowan:

This means that your eyes will make it look smother from farther away.

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toad_:

juski: so configuring it correctly is too much of a black art to document at this point?

[17:42:56]

juski:

limited horizontal bandwidth

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Dagmar:

The dots overlap a bit on a TV, too

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juski:

toad_: I wouldn't call it a black art so much

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eldowan:

Dagmar: I've tried using QT and GL

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juski:

a big lump of undocumented stuff, I'd call it

[17:43:25]

Dagmar:

eldowan: Use a different theme then

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juski:

I've even asked in here which order you're sposed to do stuff..

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toad_:

hmmm channels which i have succesfully recorded from have freqid=null :|

[17:43:55]

juski:

not one definitive answer

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quicksilver:

toad_: that's the guide I followed and it worked for 0.18

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quicksilver:

but I don't think that's particularly more informative

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juski:

anyway I'm off home. gonna bash my head against my s100's DSL install tonight

[17:44:48]

juski:

or just play burnout:revenge :)

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juski:

laters

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eldowan:

Dagmar: I get the 'pre-sacling theme images' each time, but when the UI comes up I only get pictures. I've tried the retro, gant, titivillus. Only blue so far has a menu that I can use. is there anything that I can look for?

[17:47:34]

toad_:

quicksilver: doesn't mention anything about connecting channels up

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Dagmar:

eldowan; Not really, aside from perhaps dropping back and punting with 0.20

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toad_:

okay, i'm outta here too; thanks to all for helping me to understand the issues even if i haven't been much help in fixing them

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Dagmar:

eldowan: Feel free to wander around the wiki. There's literally dozens of things to check

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eldowan:

Dagmar: I figure I can gimp along with the blue interface until I get it working. Where would I look on the wiki to find the way to view avi videos?

[17:57:47]

Dagmar:

MythVideo

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Dagmar:

Just poke about in the setup menus in the frontend and you really can't miss the settings related to it

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eldowan:

Dagmar: I installed from a debian reop, and it looks as if I didn't have the mythvideo package installed. Thanks for the pointer. and the wiki should be at mythtv.org/wiki per the channel topic, correct?

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Dagmar:

eldowan: I've no idea if that's the right URL or not. I just go to www.mythtv.org and click on "Wiki"

[18:02:13]

PeterC:

I started 'nuvexport --debug' on a 10 minutes recording and entered the output manually in two different console windows. After more than 90 minutes the conversion to Xvid was finished but no output file was found where I expected. Is it normal for the conversion to take such time? Wonder where the file was saved?

[18:02:36]

Dagmar:

PeterC: Suprise! Transcoding is hellishly slow.

[18:03:05]

dilano:

can anyone tell me how to CLEAR the .conf file irw uses?

[18:03:17]

PeterC:

Dagmar: Well, I expected it to be slow, but not that slow...

[18:03:48]

dilano:

i'm trying to re-program my remote from my test script, but it seems to want to keep using the old file.. even though I did a rm -r on it

[18:04:05]

dilano:

and it is no longer in /etc/

[18:04:10]

fryfrog:

is mythweb busted in current svn?

[18:04:28]

fryfrog:

the recordings portion, specifically?

[18:04:29]

Dibblah:

fryfrog: Nope.

[18:04:40]

Dibblah:

Works for me...

[18:04:52]

Dibblah:

What are you seeing?

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fryfrog:

Fatal error: Call to undefined method Program::thumb_url() in /var/www/mythtv.fryfrog.com/htdocs/modules/tv/tmpl/default/recorded.php on line 296

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kslater:

dilano – have you checked ~/.mythtv for a copy?

[18:05:40]

fryfrog:

everything but recorded programs seems to work

[18:05:41]

dilano:

hmm, will do.. but irw says its recieving "00000000000000000007 00 Guide /etc/RCA"

[18:05:56]

dilano:

there isn't a /etc/RCA anymore

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kslater:

dunno

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dilano:

so I'm wondering where its getting it from

[18:06:17]

kslater:

was just a thought

[18:06:26]

dilano:

I'll check .mythtv though

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Dibblah:

dilano: It's from the running lircd.

[18:06:35]

Dibblah:

/etc/init.d/lircd stop

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kslater:

there you go – recycle lircd

[18:06:40]

dilano:

so the service needs to be stopped

[18:06:41]

Dibblah:

or something similar.

[18:06:47]

dilano:

gotcha

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Dibblah:

restart, even.

[18:06:54]

dilano:

had me wondering there for a sec

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psm321:

1085 to 1153 without a single hitch!

[18:07:14]

dilano:

so every new irw i need to do, i need to recycle the lircd service, correct?

[18:07:20]

Dibblah:

Still going, psm321? :)

[18:07:31]

Dibblah:

dilano: No.

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psm321:

1153 is

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psm321:

just started it now

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psm321:

but with the old mysql version

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psm321:

no errors at all

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Dibblah:

Every time you change lircd.conf, you need to restart lircd.

[18:08:06]

psm321:

so upgrading a really old version is possible :-D

[18:08:13]

Dibblah:

Apart from that, you shouldn't need to.

[18:10:55]

dilano:

ok, another question for ya

[18:10:59]

dilano:

stopped the service

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dilano:

restarted

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Defend is now known as defend

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dilano:

an now its reading from a different file

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dilano:

another on thats not there

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dilano:

*one

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dilano:

any ideas on that?

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Dibblah:

That's not a filename.

[18:12:27]

Dibblah:

It's a remote name.

[18:12:39]

Dibblah:

The config file is probably /etc/lircd.conf

[18:12:51]

dilano:

ok, how do I clear it so it will read form the current lircd.conf thats located in /etc/

[18:13:16]

Dibblah:

It should be doing already :)

[18:13:27]

Dibblah:

Which distro?

[18:13:38]

Dagmar:

You type `irw --help` and it will tell you

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dilano:

FC6

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Dagmar:

...or lirc --help or whatever --help

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vegeat_work:

Hey all

[18:26:01]

vegeat_work:

Has anyone gotten mystreamtv installed?

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psm321:

yippee!

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psm321:

my scheduled recordings are messed up but thats not a huge problem

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hello...

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Bazil__:

hi

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, nopers

[18:37:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, didn't think so. :-( Humm... Would be a nice feature... ;-)

[18:38:16]

kormoc:

Feel free to submit patches! :P

[18:38:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

Even if it was on specific recordings... ie "Dont' allow deletion...."

[18:38:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Yeah, I've gotta get up to speed first... and there never seems time to do so... ;-)

[18:39:09]

kormoc:

you could always invoke the 'boot to the ass' method :P

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jtate:

J-e-f-f-A: have someplace that I can upload it? I think I recorded it last night. (new setup, so I don't know if it actually did)

[18:39:36]

jtate:

If not Bittorrent to the rescue

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jtate:

:O

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kormoc:

jtate, other then the fact it would take foreve to do so, we don't talk about sharing or bt in this channel

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** jtate shuts up **

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J-e-f-f-A:

jtate: I do, but I can live without it. I recorded it in SD too, and he didn't delete the SD copy....

[18:40:28]

gbee:

J-e-f-f-A: maybe something that could be implemented along with the 'summer of code' user accounts stuff

[18:40:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

I watched it last-night anyways.

[18:41:08]

gbee:

i.e. make deleting a per-user right

[18:41:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

It's a feature that would probably require a 'login' system to be impleted properly... or at least be protected from deletion unless a password were entered...

[18:41:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

Very similar to the parental controls I would think...

[18:43:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

See, most of you guys are still young and have more time on your hands to have 'fun'... I'm gettin' older (38) and with the Wife, Kid & Job, there's only a few hours a week I can call my own... :-(

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kormoc:

likely need to treat it as a satalite/digital cable box

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toad_:

i have a bunch of finished jobs in the jobqueue table, mostly for commflag'ing

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toad_:

can i just change the type from 2 (commflag) to 1 (transcode)?

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toad_:

i'd need to tell it they haven't finished yet also, correct?

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toad_:

and maybe clear the comment field?

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toad_:

do i need to set status or flags?

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Fifth:

Does commflagging automatically take the commercial content out of the stored mpgs or does it just flag it and the commercials still exist in the file?

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kormoc:

Fifth, just flag it, as the name implys

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Fifth:

kormoc, ah K I heard there was some mythtv program I can run the stored files through to actually strip them out or something?

[18:53:09]

Fifth:

is that true?

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kormoc:

yes

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kormoc:

you can transcode them out

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PeterC:

I'm trying to configure auto login by adding 'c7:12345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty --autologin=mythtv tty7' to /etc/inittab. When booting up the system I thought that 'mythtv' user should be logged in, but no. How could I check what's wrong?

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Fifth:

kormoc, oh so its done via transcoding =( I guess that makes sense that you couldn't do it straight from the hardware mpg2 encoder

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toad_:

Fifth: it can be lossless

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kormoc:

Fifth, aye, there is a lossless mpeg2 transcoder which doesn't have to re-encode the mpeg-2 video, so it's speedy

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Fifth:

kormoc, toad_ oh cool, what's it called?

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toad_:

Fifth: just tell it to transcode the files. press I on a recording in Watch Recordings, go to Job Options, Start Transcoding

[18:55:53]

kormoc:

not sure, just heard people talk about it here

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toad_:

but you do need to configure them in the setup part yes

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Fifth:

ah K I think I found it thanks guys

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toad_:

in the jobqueue table, inserttime is the time at which a job was added, starttime is the time at which it was started

[18:58:16]

toad_:

and myth determines whether it's been started simply by checking whether starttime is null, right?

[18:58:33]

toad_:

so all i have to do is set type=1 and starttime=null and it will transcode everything it's recently commflag'ed?

[18:59:25]

toad_:

anyone?

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** toad_ tries it **

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toad_:

hmmm null sets it to 0000-00–00 00:00:00

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toad_:

hmmm it didn't work :|

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Fifth:

toad_, dunno I was just reading http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Removing_Commercials

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Dibblah:

marklehmann: Heh :)

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toad_:

Dibblah: hi

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** toad_ tried "update jobqueue set type=1, starttime=null where type=2;" **

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toad_:

it doesn't seem to have worked

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Dibblah:

I have no idea – I don't transcode ;)

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toad_:

:|

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toad_:

i need a script for this, otherwise it's going to be way too much maintenance

[19:06:18]

toad_:

apparently it's a known bug that stuff that should be transcoded doesn't get transcoded

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psm321:

did myth drop the audio output device in use warning at some point?

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inteliwasp:

could anyone recommend a nice and compatible tv card t use with mythtv?

[19:11:28]

fryfrog:

pvr150

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inteliwasp:

that's a hannapouge right?

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Fifth:

yep

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toad_:

aha

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toad_:

"update jobqueue set type=1, status=1 where type=2;"

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toad_:

of course that will only encode stuff that's already in jobqueue

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Aurelius:

is there a way to delete a bunch of recordings through the UI?

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Fooker:

mythfrontend doesn't have a command line interface, does it?

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GreyFoxx:

Fooker: There is a telnet interface offering some controls

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toad_:

hmmm

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toad_:

insert into jobqueue select <somehow generate an id? how?>, chanid, starttime, now(), 1, 0, 0, 1, now(), "servalan", "", "" from recorded where transcoded=false;

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toad_:

how do we generate an id?

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GreyFoxx:

you don't need to fill in id, it will be autofilled in for you by mysql

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toad_:

okay so how do i complete that statement then?

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toad_:

just start with chanid?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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toad_:

ERROR 1136 (21S01): Column count doesn't match value count at row 1

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GreyFoxx:

specify thge columns you are filling in

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toad_:

i want it to be the output from the select ...

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toad_:

so insert into jobqueue (list of columns) <select statement>

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GreyFoxx:

I do not know what "select" you are referring to

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toad_:

select chanid, starttime, now(), 1, 0, 0, 1, now(), "servalan", "", "" from recorded where transcoded=false;

[19:27:51]

toad_:

i want to generate a bunch of transcode jobs from the list of stuff that hasn't been transcoded

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toad_:

hmmm that seems to have worked

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toad_:

insert into jobqueue (chanid, starttime, inserttime, type, cmds, flags, status, statustime, hostname, args, comment) select chanid, starttime, now(), 1,0, 0, 1, now(), "servalan", "", "" from recorded where transcoded=false;

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GreyFoxx:

toad_: truy adding a 0 to the select

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toad_:

yay it seems to be working now

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GreyFoxx:

select 0, chanid, starttime, now(), 1, 0, 0, 1, now(),jusk: None of their released IEGD versions show support for thge cool

[19:29:37]

GreyFoxx:

cool

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GreyFoxx:

arg, stupid cut n paste

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toad_:

okay so that's my encode-everything script then

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inteliwasp:

is this what i should get? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116633

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toad_:

i wonder if there's an easy way to tell it not to transcode radio... oh well, it's lossless anyway, i suppose

[19:31:55]

toad_:

cool, everything works (near enough)

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toad_:

cya folks, and many thanks

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Kronuz:

hello

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Kronuz:

hey, I have a rather "technical" question about the limits of MythTV and the hardware

[19:34:26]

Kronuz:

how many video capture cards is it technically feasible to put in a computer?

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Kronuz:

and how many can MythTV handle

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mtnbkr:

inteliwasp: that or the PVR-500 (it is two 150s on one card)

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GreyFoxx:

myth has no direct limit

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GreyFoxx:

you limit is pci slots and bandwidth

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Kronuz:

for instance, the Hauppauge WinTV-PVR

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GreyFoxx:

but that's where multiple backends comes in

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Kronuz:

if I want to put, say 20 cards

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moh:

Kronuz: that's fine, as long as you have good hardware.

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Kronuz:

interesting :)

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moh:

i.e., multiple PCI busses, sufficient slots

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moh:

i.e., not a PC

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GreyFoxx:

Kronuz: As long as you have the pci and network bw it should nbe ok

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Kronuz:

moh: I was thinking of using two PCI Express to connect two 13 slots PCI extensions

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Kronuz:

and fill the slots with WinTV cards to capture mutliple streams of video

[19:36:47]

Kronuz:

I suppose the problem there will be in the I/O

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Kronuz:

as I'll have to make sure the HDDs can take it (to write the streams directly in the HDDs as hardware encoded MPEG2)

[19:37:35]

moh:

Kronuz: You'd have to try it.

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GreyFoxx:

Kronuz, I'm curious about these 13 slot "Extensions" ... got a url on any of them ?

[19:37:42]

Kronuz:

hmm

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Kronuz:

let me see

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Kronuz:

that's one of them

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kormoc:

Kronuz, also keep in mind that you have a pci clock and thus you have a limit on how much can transfer over the south bridge to the drives

[19:39:04]

Kronuz:

yep

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GreyFoxx:

Nifty, so the main pc see it's as 13 "normal" PCI slots?

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kormoc:

in theory, aye

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Kronuz:

GreyFoxx: yep, I suppose

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moh:

GreyFoxx: likely jsut behind a PCIE bridge

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kormoc:

they've had flaky linux support in the past, but maybe that's tighened up?

[19:39:55]

GreyFoxx:

I'm mostly curious about if that will cause any ivtv issues thats all

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Kronuz:

:S

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moh:

GreyFoxx: I'd put money on it...

[19:40:43]

Kronuz:

well, I suppose it'll be a good thing for ivtv then

[19:41:09]

moh:

definitely

[19:41:32]

Kronuz:

kormoc: how would you see that of the PCI clock?

[19:41:58]

kormoc:

Kronuz, hrm?

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Kronuz:

<kormoc> Kronuz, also keep in mind that you have a pci clock and thus you have a limit on how much can transfer over the south bridge to the drives

[19:42:36]

kormoc:

yes, the pci clock is shared against all the cards, they take turns (akin to token ring) to transfer data

[19:42:51]

kormoc:

so if you have too many, they'll just start falling behind transmitting frames back

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moh:

kormoc: that's only on a single bus.

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moh:

I would imagine...

[19:44:53]

kormoc:

moh, that extension is a single bus with 13 slots

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moh:

the PCI-E bridge is separate from the rest of the PCI devices

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kormoc:

moh, so you'd need to share 1 bus with 13 cards, which can cause issues

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moh:

yes.

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moh:

sorry.

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** moh *heart* SGI Altix. **

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moh:

2 PCI slots per bus

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kormoc:

heh, they are sweet at times

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moh:

its too bad I had to give back myPrism

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dilano:

for the lircrc file, if a command in Myth is setup to be a Ctrl+P, des one type in config = Ctrl+P?

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Kronuz:

kormoc: yes, 1 bus with 13 cards, but it's 1 PCI-e bus, which I suppose it's much faster and can probably handle at full at least some of the 13 cards... I hope

[19:56:24]

kormoc:

Kronuz, except that it's 1 pci-e bus powering 1 pci bus, you're still pci bus limited

[19:56:50]

kormoc:

PCI Backplane: Thirteen PCI slots (32-bit/33MHz)

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Kronuz:

kormoc: is that a good or a bad thing?

[19:58:10]

Kronuz:

<.<

[19:58:11]

Kronuz:

>.>

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Kronuz:

I have just notions about the hardware...

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kormoc:

that says that you will be limited by what 1 pci bus can do, not one pci-e bus

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Kronuz:

hmm that sounds bad

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kormoc:

Kronuz, I'm not saying it can't work, or won't work, I'm saying I'd start slowly and work my way up to 13 :P

[20:00:32]

Kronuz:

:)

[20:00:42]

moh:

I can't remember what's realistic out of PCI33/32

[20:00:49]

moh:

is it 100MB/sec?

[20:00:55]

moh:

maybe 80MB/sec

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moh:

something in that range.

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kormoc:

I'm thinking it's about 80ish aye

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Kronuz:

or maybe use more PCI-e slots with more extensions

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Kronuz:

instead of two of 13, maybe 5 of 4 or 3 of 7

[20:02:09]

kormoc:

that would likely work much better

[20:02:35]

moh:

If you're using standard Def cards, we're talking about 2.3GB/hr, right?

[20:02:36]

Kronuz:

it would be much more expensive tho'

[20:02:46]

kormoc:

moh, aye

[20:02:56]

moh:

that's only about 800k/sec of actual data, per port.

[20:03:24]

ShiftyPowers:

does anyone here use a logitech harmony 880 wiht mythtv?

[20:03:50]

moh:

Its not like these cards are really high speed in the same kind of way that gigE, 10gigE, FiberChannel or SCSI cards are.

[20:03:57]

kormoc:

indeed

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kormoc:

it's just that the pci latency might need tweaking or similar

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Kronuz:

I'll be capturing at lower rate too, so it might work with the 13 slots...

[20:04:25]

moh:

Kronuz: I'd say give it a shot.

[20:04:35]

Kronuz:

:)

[20:04:38]

Kronuz:

hey, bbialw

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moh:

Buy one tray. If it sucks, then buy the 7 or 4 slot one for additional trays

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Kronuz:

back

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Kronuz:

kormoc: There are also PCI to PCI extensions

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Kronuz:

do you think it'll be the same then? (if the PCI-e isn't usint the full PCI-e for the extension?)

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moh:

and they have 64bit-66MHz ones

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moh:

PCI-E is just the pipe.

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vegeat_work:

is there a way on mythweb to transcoded alreay recorded programs?

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moh:

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Kronuz:

o_O

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stuarta:

evening all

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awilkins:

vegeat_work: xris is working on it

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Kronuz:

hey, so anyway, how all this cards would be configured in MythTV?

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Kronuz:

(in the server)

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vegeat_work:

working on it as a feature in th enext release?

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Kronuz:

now, I have other question too.. I suppose I can begin encoding with the server (the 20 channels) and then I want a client connecting to the server and slicing a part of the recorded video into a file, as to edit and re-encode that file in some other format

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Kronuz:

how off reality is that? or how hard would that be to implement? (if it's not yet a feature in the MythTV client already)

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ShiftyPowers:

does anyone know if I need to do anythign to mythweb to get the asx streaming to work?

[20:34:46]

vegeat_work:

is there a way to transcode via command line?

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Xanium4332:

asx streaming, whats that

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stuarta:

ShiftyPowers: it's currently only a framework

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stuarta:

it's not been finished of

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stuarta:

s/of/off

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ShiftyPowers:

ah

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ShiftyPowers:

i just updated svn and noticed the changes

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ShiftyPowers:

i like the way it looks

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ShiftyPowers:

i like the new layout

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stuarta:

indeed

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gardengnome:

are there screenshots available? ;)

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** stuarta lacks sufficient enthusiasm to create some **

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vegeat_work:

on mythweb, recorded programs one of my recorded programs doesnt load up a preview show

[20:39:03]

vegeat_work:

is there anyway i can fix that

[20:39:16]

crudpuppy:

does mythweb exist on the frontend or backend or does it even matter?

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ShiftyPowers:

what would be cool woudl be to havfe mythweb be able to play music locally

[20:39:20]

stuarta:

does it show a proper length???

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ShiftyPowers:

instead of just creating a streaming playlist

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vegeat_work:

yes 1hr

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vegeat_work:

i recorded the apprentice last night, and the preview shows up fine

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vegeat_work:

but then i recorded another program an hour after, and still no preview

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x86:

what's the name of that ATSC tuner card that everyone was saying was good?

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x86:

HD1900 or something like that

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ShiftyPowers:

pchdtv 3000

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ShiftyPowers:

is a good card

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ShiftyPowers:

i have that one

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Xanium4332:

anybody know of a Dual DVB-S receiver that works under linux

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vegeat_work:

stuarta, any advice for me

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markit:

ShiftyPowers: is there video boards fanles that have HD output? I'm considering purcasing a new TV, "Full HD", since my old one has broken...

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Xanium4332:

crudpuppy: it needs access to the MySQL database, that's all

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stuarta:

vegeat_work: is there no preview image or just a black one?

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Xanium4332:

crudpuppy: so it doesn't matter

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Xanium4332:

crudpuppy: oh, erm it might need access to ur recordings

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Xanium4332:

to allow u to download them

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Xanium4332:

so, I guess the backend is safer

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vegeat_work:

no preview image

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vegeat_work:

i wish it was a black one, at least it would look okay hehe

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stuarta:

hrm, maybe a permissions error?

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ShiftyPowers:

markit: not that i know of sorry

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vegeat_work:

i checked them

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vegeat_work:

they looked good to me

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vegeat_work:

i mean the other preview loads up fine

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WattoDaToydarian:

Does anyone know if there are any reports of a memory leak in the current .21 svn branch?

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kormoc:

WattoDaToydarian, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/report

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WattoDaToydarian:

I've looked and cant seem to find anything that matches what I'm seeing on my system

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kormoc:

then it's not a known issue

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WattoDaToydarian:

Could someone help me detrmine if I am seeing a memory leak?

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stuarta:

WattoDaToydarian: if you've plenty of cpu to spare you can do some valgrinding

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Kronuz:

hey, in MythTV one can cut a portion of a video as to save it while it's still recording it, right?

[20:55:48]

WattoDaToydarian:

Could a memory leak be identified by seeing extensive swap usage? I remeber in past mythtv versions my swap had almost no usage but now it slowly fills up to 100% and I have to reboot to keep it running smoothly.

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stuarta:

does top say mythbackend is consuming lots of memory? (the RES size)

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Kronuz:

as, say in a football match, if I want to save the goal in a video just after it happened, but keep recording the game

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Kronuz:

is it possible?

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WattoDaToydarian:

Kronuz, you can use the editor to make a cut point while it's recording.

[20:57:14]

Kronuz:

WattoDaToydarian: what's a cut point exactly?

[20:57:21]

WattoDaToydarian:

stuarta, top says mythfrontend us using it all

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stuarta:

Kronuz: i don't believe anyone has coded something to cut out video snippets while retaining the current vid

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stuarta:

WattoDaToydarian: what theme?

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Kronuz:

stuarta: do you think it would be difficult to implement?

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WattoDaToydarian:

It's currently using myth-center

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opello:

nuvexport-mpeg2cut or whatever did that i thought

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Kronuz:

does anybody know if the server already provides some functionality that could be used for that?

[20:58:58]

vegeat_work:

how does the auto transcode feature work?

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WattoDaToydarian:

Kronuz: This is what I'm talking about http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=VideoEditHowTo

[21:00:58]

stuarta:

WattoDaToydarian: the frontend grows and shrinks in size depending on what you do...

[21:02:20]

WattoDaToydarian:

stuarta: I know but mine keeps growing in memory size and eventually fills up the swap to 100% after a day or 2. My system has 512MB of ram.

[21:03:05]

stuarta:

hmmm, valgrinding the frontend is a bitch....

[21:03:13]

Kronuz:

WattoDaToydarian: "To actually make the cut you must transcode it"

[21:03:23]

Kronuz:

what does that transcode thing means?

[21:03:26]

stuarta:

what sort of things do you do with the frontend

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stuarta:

Kronuz: transcode is used to 1. change the video to a different format ie. mp4 or 2. cut out commercials for good

[21:04:39]

WattoDaToydarian:

Kronuz: transcoding just recopies the recording into a sepreate file with out the slections you marked in the edit

[21:05:04]

Kronuz:

oh, so transcoding just does that while still recording then?

[21:05:05]

WattoDaToydarian:

Kronuz: and what stuart said

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stuarta:

WattoDaToydarian: i'm looking for the typical usage pattern for the frontend in question...

[21:05:38]

Kronuz:

and it does it in the server side or the client?

[21:05:38]

markit:

is there a page that explains "HD for newbies" that you suggest me to read? is HDMI output supported by GNU/Linux? I'm confused

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WattoDaToydarian:

stuarta: well it's almost always just playing back DTV recordings.

[21:06:38]

stuarta:

okay, that helps to narrow things down a bit

[21:07:53]

WattoDaToydarian:

stuarta: If you have an account and if it helps any, I posted my top in this forum http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=12955

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kormoc:

markit, HDMI is a form of DVI, so any DVI video card can with an adapter output HDMI

[21:13:10]

stuarta:

no i don't, i don't do forums.

[21:13:33]

WattoDaToydarian:

On another note, does anyone know the status of the 720p playback sync issue?

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WattoDaToydarian:

stuarta: Can I try to send you the top in a pm?

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stuarta:

WattoDaToydarian: pastebin.ca

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psofa:

anyone here that uses a custom rgb scart cable and can make a comparison between that and svideo?

[21:15:52]

gardengnome:

psofa: we used to have a few people with one in here

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psofa:

yeah i remember :)

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gardengnome:

i tried to make one but it never worked. gotta try it again soon ;)

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psofa:

gardengnome, i hope it didnt funk your tv

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WattoDaToydarian:

stuarta: I copied the relivant text from the forum and posted it here http://pastebin.ca/317773

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markit:

kormoc: ins't some form of DRM involved in HDMI? will it show full resolution in GNU/Linux?

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ShiftyPowers:

so does anyone have a harmony 880 with mythtv?

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stuarta:

WattoDaToydarian: output of /proc/5647/status into a pastebin please (assuming 5647 is the frontend still)

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psofa:

markit, but iirc hdcp wont reach the consumers for 3–4 years.

[21:22:17]

markit:

thanks

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imperfect-:

ANYONE KNOW why the frontend would randomly start causing X11 segfaults?

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kormoc:

psofa, that's not true. HD-DVD can require HDCP, Vista supports HDCP, TV's support HDCP

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Dr_willis:

imperfect-, can ya prove its not X11 causing the faults?

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WattoDaToydarian:

stuarta: I already restarted my frontend and it's currently only using 11.1% of the ram but here it is anyway http://pastebin.ca/317793

[21:32:39]

stuarta:

as it gets bigger, check the VmData size....

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dilano:

hey all, I have my remote finally config'd, but now have a few ?'s about lirc support and myth

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xris:

TabletPC: dual?

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TabletPC:

hm guess the pic is wrong

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TabletPC:

on newegg

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dilano:

I have the lircd.conf placed in /etc/lircd.conf... and have the lircrc file in /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc... anything else I need to do to have it work with myth?

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xris:

TabletPC: two plugs or two tuners?

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TabletPC:

two plugs

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xris:

TabletPC: one is for radio

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TabletPC:

eww

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TabletPC:

thx

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dilano:

its the MCE.. one of for fm radio

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heanol:

anyone using fglrx tv-out with dual head? I.e. one x-serve rfor monitor and one x-server for tv?

[21:37:28]

dilano:

or better yet, how can I check to see if this rpm is setup to use lirc?

[21:37:33]

Dr_willis:

heanol, yes i have.

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kormoc:

heanol, I've done one x server with two different displays

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xris:

dilano: which rpm?

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Dr_willis:

i found various guides/docs on doign it heanol – but now i use nvidia cards.

[21:38:23]

vegeat_work:

i set the option to auto trancode a show after recording but it seems like its not working

[21:38:25]

dilano:

beleive its from ATrpms

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dilano:

I have my lircrc file setup with prog = mythtv... yet nothign happens inside myth

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TabletPC:

well the wintv-pvr 500 mce should have two coax in and one fm in?

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dilano:

when i exit, I can use irw to see all my key presses

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dilano:

1 coax in

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heanol:

kormoc, or better.

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heanol:

kormoc, Dr_willis do you have an xorg.conf to share?

[21:39:35]

kormoc:

TabletPC, no, just one coax in, it has an internal splitter

[21:39:36]

dilano:

1 coax for FM radio

[21:39:40]

TabletPC:

nice

[21:39:55]

xris:

dilano: it has lirc support

[21:40:12]

dilano:

do you see anythign wrong with where my files are at xris?

[21:40:18]

Dr_willis:

heanol, not any more.. it wasent that hard a thing to do. I recall the knoppmyth forums/wikis having some info on it.. and the ubuntu wikis.. i dont rember it being that hard to do really.

[21:40:33]

heanol:

ok..

[21:40:40]

kormoc:

heanol, really, fglrx is a pain... I don't have any to share, I've been done with ATI for awhile now

[21:40:44]

Dr_willis:

heanol, the knoppmyth docs may of even mentioned what line needs to be in the file to enable the tv out.

[21:41:17]

Dr_willis:

i DO belive that some versions of the fglrx drivers had issues with the tv out. but cant rember the details.

[21:41:41]

TabletPC:

so now i need to find a local store with the pvr 500 so i dont get stuck with a samsung encoder?

[21:42:01]

xris:

dilano: personally, I keep ~/.lircrc and then ~/.mythtv/lircrc as a symlink to it

[21:42:04]

dilano:

I believe they have canged back to the phillips

[21:42:10]

xris:

dilano: but yours should work

[21:42:14]

dilano:

hmmmm

[21:42:16]

kormoc:

TabletPC, newer versions of ivtv support the samsung tuners

[21:42:29]

dilano:

any options I need to enable in myth?

[21:42:40]

TabletPC:

but i heard you should avoid samsung because its lower quality on the low channels

[21:42:40]

xris:

dilano: should be fine.

[21:42:48]

xris:

run with "-v all" and see if there are errors

[21:42:49]

dilano:

damn :(

[21:42:55]

kormoc:

TabletPC, http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ivtv/stable/ChangeLog-0.4

[21:43:05]

dilano:

run mythfrontend?

[21:43:08]

TabletPC:

im just reading user reviews

[21:43:15]

TabletPC:

there are many that say avoid the samsung encoders

[21:43:18]

juski:

http://www.juski.co.uk/neon-wide.png

[21:43:18]

TabletPC:

and get a type a

[21:43:20]

juski:

fack

[21:43:37]

juski:

evening all anyway

[21:43:48]

kormoc:

Mornin' juski

[21:43:53]

kormoc:

lookin' sharp! :P

[21:44:00]

stuarta:

oh no, not another one!!!! :-P

[21:44:15]

xris:

juski: ANOTHER theme?

[21:44:24]

stuarta:

that's looks like a bad rave party

[21:44:25]

juski:

just playing with an idea or 2

[21:45:20]

juski:

the lines will have a fuzzy, neon-like glow eventually

[21:45:30]

** stuarta looks for the sun glasses **

[21:46:05]

juski:

dunno though – there might be too much contrast for it to work on plasmas

[21:46:29]

juski:

not that I should care ;)

[21:46:54]

TabletPC:

so whats the best tv tuner to get for cheap

[21:46:54]

Tuomaz:

Is there a way in mythfrontend to now which settings that are host specific and which are not?

[21:47:04]

juski:

beats trying to mess with a distro to a) get it worky & b) cut its size down anyway

[21:47:25]

juski:

TabletPC: forget about cheap if you want _good_ :)

[21:47:39]

juski:

infact forget all about framegrabbers

[21:47:43]

juski:

</brokenrecord>

[21:47:56]

xris:

TabletPC: assuming you want to record analog tv, pvr-150 is the good/cheap option.

[21:48:02]

TabletPC:

so spend 130 on the pvr 500 mce

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xris:

TabletPC: two 150s is usually less than a 500

[21:48:28]

TabletPC:

i have one pci slot

[21:48:36]

juski:

TabletPC: it'd make for an easier life than with 2 framegrabber cards

[21:48:38]

xris:

TabletPC: then the 500 is your only choice if you want 2 tuners

[21:48:42]

vegeat_work:

xris, in my mythweb i have two shows recorded but one of them doesnt show a preview, is there something i can do to fix this

[21:48:56]

TabletPC:

xris, are 2 tuners as neccesary as i seem to think?

[21:48:57]

xris:

vegeat_work: no preview, or black preview?

[21:49:02]

vegeat_work:

no preview

[21:49:02]

juski:

TabletPC: or USB, but I wouldn't touch any USB tuner for analogue video

[21:49:04]

briand:

xris: HDHomeRun is two tuners, and requires 0 (zero) PCI slots... ;)

[21:49:06]

vegeat_work:

the other show has a preview just fine

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xris:

TabletPC: depends on how you want to use the mythbox

[21:49:19]

TabletPC:

and does the 500 come with a remote (and what do i need to use the remote)

[21:49:32]

xris:

vegeat_work: odd. means the backend didn't generate it, or the cached copy in mythweb got corrupted somehow.

[21:49:40]

xris:

TabletPC: depends on which one you buy

[21:49:52]

vegeat_work:

its in the video folder, i downloaded the png and was able to view it

[21:49:52]

briand:

TabletPC: the retail version does, the "OEM version" does not. b) lirc

[21:50:02]

Dr_willis:

Ive seen Haup. cards that come with their own remote. and some that come with a MCE remote.

[21:50:07]

** juski wonders why no packagers have got a version of mythmusic with those shoutcast patches **

[21:50:52]

xris:

vegeat_work: could try deleting the cached files in mythweb's data/cache/ directory and see if they reload

[21:52:02]

briand:

xris: fwiw, about half of my recordings show no/black preview in latest SVN. ~ 190 recordings ... and it's the "older" half that never show a preview image.

[21:52:04]

juski:

right enough bitmap bashing.. time to .. bugger it's nearly 10pm :(

[21:52:12]

vegeat_work:

okay i deleted it, do i just reload the page? restart apache?

[21:52:26]

vegeat_work:

i reloaded the page, now i lost the preview for the other show

[21:52:26]

vegeat_work:

lol

[21:53:38]

briand:

xris: correction. they're there (in /data/cache/) .. but they're 0 bytes.

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xris:

briand: I've been getting black previews for things recently, too.. I think there's a bug in svn with some recordings (the same recordings crash my frontend about half the time)

[21:54:48]

vegeat_work:

i just copied the new pngs over to the cache folde

[21:54:49]

vegeat_work:

r

[21:54:56]

vegeat_work:

now it loads up , but is that legit, or bootleg?

[21:55:01]

xris:

vegeat_work: look at the size of the files in cache/ and compare with the ones in your recordings dir

[21:55:08]

briand:

xris: ouch.. bite your tongue!

[21:55:38]

briand:

xris: hmm. i think the recordings are okay... the rolling preview in the watch recordings screen is alright, anyway...

[21:55:45]

vegeat_work:

xris, do you know when mythweb will be able to transcode files?

[21:56:07]

vegeat_work:

i set the auto transcode feature on a show i recorded last night but it hasnt transcoded

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xris:

vegeat_work:hopefully before .21

[21:56:55]

stuarta:

vegeat_work: you also have to enable it in the recording profile

[21:57:02]

heanol:

Dr_willis, the only tv-out i've ever gotten working is a clone mode where the tv displays 800x600 of the viewing area

[21:57:09]

heanol:

Dr_willis, this works no matter what xorg config i have

[21:57:11]

vegeat_work:

is there a way i can enable that via myhweb?

[21:57:19]

heanol:

Dr_willis, how is overlay supposed to work?

[21:58:32]

xris:

vegeat_work: no

[21:58:37]

vegeat_work:

doh

[21:59:09]

vegeat_work:

also xris, does mythstreamtv work with .20

[21:59:23]

vegeat_work:

it says, it kind find the themes.php in the mythweb http docs folder

[21:59:31]

xris:

no clue there. I don't touch mythstreamtv

[22:00:19]

Dr_willis:

heanol, hmm.. i rember under nvidia ya can set different meta-modes for the tv or monitor. , but cant rember how it worked with ati.

[22:00:38]

vegeat_work:

ahh

[22:00:40]

vegeat_work:

darn

[22:00:46]

Dr_willis:

heanol, i always set the tv and monitor to clone mode and set them to 800x600 or whatever mode.

[22:00:50]

vegeat_work:

i thought i could get some support on that lol

[22:01:01]

WattoDaToydarian:

doesn't ati have a tool called fglrxconfig?

[22:01:10]

heanol:

Dr_willis, yeah. but i'd like to use the monitor for other htings while still using mythtv =)

[22:01:29]

Fooker:

GreyFoxx: Sorry just to disapear after asking a question. I got permission to bypass the firewall at school to get on here, and then someone else comes and kicks me out of the computer lab :(

[22:01:40]

heanol:

WattoDaToydarian, i dont have it at least..

[22:02:14]

WattoDaToydarian:

heanol, it comes with the ati propritary drivers

[22:02:28]

psofa:

<kormoc> psofa, that's not true. HD-DVD can require HDCP, Vista supports HDCP, TV's support HDCP

[22:02:49]

heanol:

WattoDaToydarian, i have fireglcontrolpanel..

[22:02:53]

vegeat_work:

in the preview recorded screen there is a url, myth://localhost

[22:02:54]

psofa:

yeah but ive heard that there wont actually be any hd-dvd discs requiring hdcp support for the next years

[22:03:04]

vegeat_work:

what can you do with that adress?

[22:03:50]

heanol:

"ATi replaced fglrxconfig with aticonfig."

[22:03:52]

heanol:

ah

[22:04:18]

WattoDaToydarian:

heanol, seems a bit has changed since I had an ati card.....

[22:04:27]

heanol:

yeah..

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** J-e-f-f-A prefers NVidia! ;-) **

[22:06:02]

heanol:

me too

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kormoc:

psofa, yeah, I've heard that as well, but I've also heard that Microsoft won't ever allow full res HD-DVD to a non-HDCP monitor/tv ever, even if the media doesn't request it to be locked, so it might just be a wait and see

[22:06:33]

WattoDaToydarian:

yeah, simply put... Get an NVIDIA CARD! hehe

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Dr_willis:

Iva had decent luck with my ati9700 – but i only have used the clone mode for the tv out.

[22:07:36]

Dr_willis:

the nvidia card i got – is smart enough to use the tv as default if its the only device hooked up

[22:08:09]

dilano:

xris: thx for all the help... its finally working

[22:08:17]

dilano:

:)

[22:08:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine – you around? If so, did you ever setup your IR blaster?

[22:09:09]

vegeat_work:

does anyone here have mythstreamtv working?

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dilano:

xris: you still around, have one more ques

[22:09:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

vegeat_work: Yes, but on .19 — haven't taken the time to setup .20 yet.

[22:09:56]

vegeat_work:

dang

[22:09:58]

vegeat_work:

:(

[22:10:01]

vegeat_work:

get back to me when you do

[22:10:07]

vegeat_work:

i am having problems getting the install going

[22:10:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

vegeat_work: It seems to come pre-installed/configured on MythDora though... (that's .20)

[22:10:56]

vegeat_work:

i dont have mythdora

[22:11:09]

vegeat_work:

took me a whole day to get irblaster working

[22:11:15]

vegeat_work:

lol, im not taking down this install

[22:13:51]

quink:

how do i find the refresh rates of my television?

[22:14:13]

Dr_willis:

quink, its a normal crt tv?

[22:14:17]

quink:

nope.

[22:14:23]

quink:

projection tv with DVI

[22:14:28]

quink:

well rear projection

[22:14:35]

vegeat_work:

ahh

[22:14:39]

vegeat_work:

when i set up dvi to hdmi

[22:14:39]

quink:

its supposed to be able to do 1080i

[22:14:46]

vegeat_work:

i didnt even need to set up resolution

[22:14:58]

vegeat_work:

it just automagically worked

[22:15:00]

quink:

so what'd you put in your "Monitor" section in X?

[22:15:06]

vegeat_work:

nothing

[22:15:13]

quink:

i'm sure there is something there.

[22:15:14]

vegeat_work:

there is no resolution or screen size settings

[22:15:16]

vegeat_work:

nope

[22:15:21]

vegeat_work:

i can paste you whats in it right now

[22:15:22]

vegeat_work:

if you like

[22:15:24]

quink:

sure.

[22:15:27]

quink:

use pastebin.com

[22:16:00]

vegeat_work:

http://www.pastebin.ca/317845

[22:16:13]

vegeat_work:

thats all i got heh

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quink:

nifty. thanks

[22:16:32]

vegeat_work:

for some reason the dvi/hdmi just works

[22:16:43]

quink:

whats system-config-display?

[22:16:49]

vegeat_work:

i was surprised myself, because before i had a vga to vga on my hd lcdtv

[22:16:54]

vegeat_work:

and i had to fiddle with screen size

[22:17:05]

vegeat_work:

thats my xorg.conf

[22:17:05]

quink:

hm. don't even have a resolution. thats just weird.

[22:17:13]

quink:

thats your entire xorg.conf?

[22:17:16]

vegeat_work:

yup

[22:17:17]

vegeat_work:

ENTIRE

[22:17:21]

vegeat_work:

its only 35 lines

[22:17:21]

vegeat_work:

lol

[22:17:29]

quink:

damn. that just seems like its lacking a lot of stuff.

[22:17:34]

vegeat_work:

i know

[22:17:40]

vegeat_work:

my previous xorg.conf was loaded with shit

[22:17:43]

quink:

good picture quality?

[22:17:52]

vegeat_work:

WAY better than SVIDEO or VGA

[22:17:56]

vegeat_work:

like WAYYYYYYY better

[22:18:00]

vegeat_work:

crystal clear

[22:18:20]

vegeat_work:

when i had svideo out, i had to have the tv composite lines, and scan line stuff in there plus the tv resolution

[22:18:32]

vegeat_work:

and then when i had vga out to vga in on the lcdtv

[22:18:32]

quink:

well i'm already using the dvi on the tv, but i'm building a replacement system. trying to 'do things right' instead of hacking it al togteher.

[22:18:37]

vegeat_work:

i had to change resolutions again

[22:18:47]

quink:

quality looks fine but ican't get it to output at 1080i

[22:19:06]

vegeat_work:

but when i got a new vide card with dvi, i used a dvi to hdmi cable, new installation

[22:19:10]

vegeat_work:

and poof it worked great

[22:19:14]

vegeat_work:

with out any configuration

[22:20:07]

quink:

i'll figure it out i guess.

[22:21:10]

vegeat_work:

mythstreamtv

[22:21:11]

vegeat_work:

hehe

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quink:

mythstreamtv si nice. but recent versions haven't been working irght os i just manually use vlc

[22:21:58]

vegeat_work:

i cant get it to work on .20

[22:22:14]

heanol:

ugh

[22:22:17]

heanol:

this is so fucking weird

[22:22:18]

vegeat_work:

rather install

[22:22:19]

quink:

just use VLC

[22:22:34]

heanol:

now i managed to: while gdm is running, get half an horizontal login screen (other half is nowhere) and black screen on tv

[22:22:37]

vegeat_work:

i want a nice gui set up

[22:22:43]

heanol:

but upon logging in to gnome, it's clone mode again

[22:23:08]

vegeat_work:

lol

[22:23:18]

quink:

or just write a smple bash script.

[22:23:25]

vegeat_work:

does vlc have to run as a service?

[22:23:32]

quink:

nope.

[22:23:38]

quink:

just try that as is.

[22:23:47]

vegeat_work:

but im in windows right now

[22:24:07]

quink:

ssh to your server

[22:27:18]

vegeat_work:

how do i connect to that?

[22:27:29]

quink:

mms://yourdomain.com:8001

[22:27:39]

quink:

control is http://domain.com:8002

[22:28:01]

vegeat_work:

how weird

[22:28:04]

quink:

you just need to keep the terminal with vlc open...you close it you close vlc. can also adjust other things like size, rate etc

[22:28:17]

quink:

thats really waht mythstreamtv is doing, its just automating the command line part for you

[22:28:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

vegeat_work: That's what mythstreamtv does... he's just telling you how to do it 'manually'...

[22:28:39]

vegeat_work:

ahh

[22:28:42]

vegeat_work:

:(

[22:28:53]

vegeat_work:

i just like it to work with a few clicks

[22:28:54]

vegeat_work:

hehe

[22:30:46]

vegeat_work:

this is the error i get on the mythstreamtv, cat: /var/www/html/mythweb/themes/Default/theme.php: No such file or directory

[22:31:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

vegeat_work: And the rest of mythweb works ok, or does mythweb not work at all?

[22:31:43]

vegeat_work:

yup

[22:31:44]

vegeat_work:

works fine

[22:32:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

vegeat_work: How far do you get — ie – is that when you first select the 'mythstreamtv' 'menu' from the main mythweb menu?

[22:32:54]

vegeat_work:

i dont even get passed the install part

[22:32:54]

vegeat_work:

lol

[22:33:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

Oh, so the mythstreamtv install is giving you that error...

[22:33:23]

vegeat_work:

yup

[22:35:17]

dilano:

does anyone know if you can use key binds (Ctrl+W) in your lircrc file?

[22:35:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... Is the mythstreamtv you downloaded supposed to work with .20, or did you download the .18 or .19 version hoping it would work?

[22:36:07]

vegeat_work:

i just downloaded the latest tar

[22:37:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

Do you have a link? I'll try to see if I can help...

[22:37:50]

vegeat_work:

http://sourceforge.net/project/downloading.ph . . . amp;72388843

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sipsniffa:

hi, could anyone help me understand why scanning (mythtv and dvb-utils) is failing to tune to one of the muxes broadcast from my local transmitter?

[22:45:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

vegeat_work: Looks like that may be the one released for .18 — I searched around a bit, and came up with his new web page: http://jochensserver.dyndns.org/

[22:46:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

vegeat_work: Maybe you could try the 1.10 version?

[22:46:42]

sipsniffa:

there are six frequencies in all, and all but one succeeds

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sipsniffa:

i think the signal on all the other frequencies is reasonably good...

[22:47:39]

sipsniffa:

so i think aerial and equipment at my end are fine

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J-e-f-f-A:

dilano: According to a wiki I just found on the web, you should be able to specify it exactly like that... "config = Ctrl+W"

[22:56:35]

vegeat_work:

how leet

[22:56:37]

vegeat_work:

let me try this

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frink_:

Hey all..

[23:00:54]

frink_:

Anybody know how to get myth to transcode something into divx from the web interface?

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Dr_willis:

frink_, ive never noticed the mythweb having that feature

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vegeat_work:

hmmm i my mythweb page i get this "!!NoTrans: welcome: streamtv!!"

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cld2:

if I want to use zap2it with mythtv, do I need an external program like xmltv? thanks.

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GreyFoxx:

cld2: Nope, myth will deal with it directly

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cld2:

GreyFoxx: I must be missing something, because I cant seem to find where to put my zap2it user info in

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GreyFoxx:

In Mythtv-setup, when you define the video source, there is username/password field

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cld2:

and that would be the "data direct" option?

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GreyFoxx:

Yes

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GreyFoxx:

afer you enter your username and pass you tell it to retrieve your info, then pick the listings source

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cld2:

GreyFoxx: thanks much

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gbee:

vegeat_work: untranslated string for whatever language you are using

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Fooker:

GreyFoxx: So back to the question I was going to ask you at lunch before I got chased out of the computer lab.... :P

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Fooker:

GreyFoxx: Is there any documentation on the layout of the mysql database myth creates?

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GreyFoxx:

Fooker: Nothing I'm aware of

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vegeat_work:

but im using english

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: in the wiki

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: Cool, how up to date is it?

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cld2:

Fooker: you could print the scheme in mysql

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cld2:

Fooker: or view it in a phpmyadmin style tool

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: it's patchy

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Fooker:

cld2: I was thinking more of like, this table is used for this, this field is used for this.. etc etc

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: I'll try to remember to update that anytime I make changes

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cld2:

Fooker: ah ok. sorry

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J-e-f-f-A:

vegeat_work: Hey, that's good. You just have to issue a simple command... xris told me how to do that once... let me see if I can find it...

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Fooker:

cld2: Although thats probbly what I'll have to do.

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gbee:

vegeat_work: hmm, that string no longer exists in svn – it's possible you've got mixed versions of the lang files and modules

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vegeat_work:

cool

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vegeat_work:

ohh

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Fooker:

Developers seem to hate documentation, it seems

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Milosch:

Fooker: of course!

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gbee:

J-e-f-f-A: it's ./build-translation.pl in the modules/_shared/lang/ folder

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vegeat_work:

sweet

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vegeat_work:

that worked

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cld2:

is the "user" mythtv user or another user?

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Milosch:

cld2: typically

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llyric:

whoever you want to run mythtv as. I use "mythtv"

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Fooker:

gbee: Maybe :P

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Fooker:

gbee: Theres always gotta be a tradeoff

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J-e-f-f-A:

gbee: thanks... For some reason I couldn't find that note I saved off from xris... ;-)

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vegeat_work:

cool

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vegeat_work:

that sowkr

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J-e-f-f-A:

vegeat_work: So, is it working 100% now?

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vegeat_work:

i get some permission errors now

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gbee:

for what it's worth I try to add plenty of comments in code where I can, but if I stopped to write external documentation I'd hardly get anything done ;)

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vegeat_work:

but i think thats cause im running mythtv as root right now

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J-e-f-f-A:

gbee: Gee, somebody else is exactly like me!

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Fooker:

gbee: Get someone else to document everything for you :P

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scopeuk:

gbee cat code.lang | grep // > documentationish.txt

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vegeat_work:

lol

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vegeat_work:

thats bootleg

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Fooker:

gbee: This planet has 6.5 billion people.... and about one in every 100,000 people who has access to a computer is intelligent, so thats what, 65 thousand people available? Unless you've already asked them all, I suggest you keep asking :P

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Either that was a short trip home, or you bounced irc... ;-)

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kormoc:

bounced X, which involved irc, aye

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heanol:

i have config = P in my lircrc for the pause button on my remote

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Fooker:

kormoc: Oh come on! Not even running irssi in a screen session on a remote gateway thats on a 2 hour UPS with redundant internet connections???

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heanol:

but it always "plays"

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heanol:

if i press p on the keyboard it toggles pause / play

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heanol:

but not from lirc, the osd just says Play when i press it

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cld2:

in my recording dir there are all these 3789109348710923874019.mpg type files, but I have not recorded anything, are these the live tv I was watching and if so when will they be deleted? thanks.

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scopeuk:

when the space is needed

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gbee:

heanol: I'm struggling to think of a way that would be possible

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Fooker:

So say dvdauthor isn't in my distros packaging system... how hard would it be to use another peice of software?

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J-e-f-f-A:

heanol: it should toggle between play and pause, just like the keyboard does...

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heanol:

yeah

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heanol:

weird

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cld2:

scopeuk: thanks.

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gbee:

unless the repeat rate is wrong in the lirc config and each 'press' is actually resulting in it being sent twice, toggling from play->pause->play

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gbee:

think it's likely you'd notice that though

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J-e-f-f-A:

gbee, heanol: Yeah, that's a good point... Maybe check with 'irw' to see if that's happening...

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heanol:

doh, yeah

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heanol:

i had it twice in my config fiel =)

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heanol:

file*

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J-e-f-f-A:

hehe

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kormoc:

Fooker, heh, alas, I actually like x-chat :P

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gbee:

heh

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kormoc:

Fooker, and great comic (if that's where you got your nick)

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heanol:

user scenario.. i see there is movie starting now, and i would like to skip the commercials.. shouldnt i be able to start watching it like 30 minutes after it has started and be commercial free?

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Fooker:

kormoc: Theres a way to run remote X apps in a screen session, is there not?

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Fooker:

heanol: No, as commercial flagging is done after the recording is finished, afaik

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kormoc:

Fooker, as far as I know, no, once the remote X dies, the app is gone

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heanol:

ah

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Fooker:

kormoc: Hmm.....

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heanol:

so there's only commercial skipping for recorded content?

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Fooker:

heanol: Well, you can just manually hit the ff button three to five times....

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J-e-f-f-A:

heanol: You can manually skip the commercials if it didn't start flagging them yet.

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J-e-f-f-A:

heanol: You can set myth to start flagging commercials as it's recording.

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heanol:

ok :)

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heanol:

well, enough for me, sleep time

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heanol:

good night

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J-e-f-f-A:

ttyl... ;-)

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cld2:

can the MS remote be used with myth?

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kormoc:

cld2, mce remote? yes

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cld2:

kormoc: thanks

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BULLE:

cld2: it works like a charm for me

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BULLE:

cld2: i havent had any luck with the ir-baster capabilities of it though

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wolf08:

Does anyone else use the 'hauppauge wintv usb2' tv tuner?

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wolf08:

I have the em28xx module loaded. Tvtime works. Mythtv throws the error 'can't open video device /dev/v4l/video0' and gives a black screen

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BULLE:

so what device does tvtime use ?

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wolf08:

I made sure the mythtv user has permissions to /dev/video0 and /dev/v4l/video0.

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wolf08:

bulle: tvtime uses /dev/video0 (a symlink to /dev/v4l/video0)

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cld2:

BULLE: are those the 2 little things that come with the remote? can you explain to me what that is?

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BULLE:

cld2: yes it is, and they are two ir emitters, that atleast in windows, can be used to emit ir signals

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BULLE:

cld2: the idea is that you put them on say a set top box, so your computer can change channel on the set top box

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cld2:

ah ok, thanks.

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cld2:

I wondered what those were for

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wolf08:

I have tried the em28xx module from the kernel, and from the gentoo package 'v4l-dvb-hg' and directly from the v4l-dvb source.

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J-e-f-f-A:

cld2, BULLE: I saw that somebody had them working (at least partially) with lirc, but don't know where they left off...

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wolf08:

The full error is: 'NVR: Can't open video device: /dev/v4l/video0 open video:: Device or resource busy'

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wolf08:

The blank screen on mythfrontend stays for about 30 seconds, and when it dissapears, the backend displays:

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wolf08:

TVRec(1): Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None TVRec(1): FinishedRecording(Unknown) in recgroup: LiveTV

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wolf08:

any ideas?

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cld2:

wolf08: do you have a pvr card?

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cld2:

hauppage?

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wolf08:

yes

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cld2:

one second

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wolf08:

hauppage wintv usb 2

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cld2:

i just fixed this

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J-e-f-f-A:

cld2: He's got a usb hauppauge...

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cld2:

i think its the same thing

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cld2:

under capture card setup

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cld2:

change the card type from v4l to mpeg-2 yes?

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wolf08:

I'll try

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sandeen_:

amybody know what the "AC3 Audio" checkbox in the dvd ripper is for...?

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langotech:

what type should I use for ati hdtv wonder

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J-e-f-f-A:

sandeen_: Should be to rip the digital audio track... (5.1)

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sandeen_:

J-e-f-f-A, isn't that a bit redundant with "ISO Image" quality?

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Hobbiticus:

I'm getting some strange behavior from mythbackend...the mythbackend process consumes ~50% CPU and the other ~50% of the CPU is gets used by the kernel

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Fooker:

Alright, it appears I have a problem :)

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Hobbiticus:

this happens after a few hours of running it, and it never goes back to idling

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Hobbiticus:

there's no spam in the log either

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J-e-f-f-A:

sandeen_: I dunno... DVD's have one or more audio tracks — usually one is simply 2-channel sterio, and there is often an AC3 5.1 channel, and possibly several others (directors comments and other languages)

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Fooker:

Just installed mytharchive; set it all up, get no errors from it. Go to create a DVD ISO, things appear to be going great. Finish the process, get the log viewer, which never shows anything, and no file is created that I can tell...

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sandeen_:

J-e-f-f-A, yep, but there's another selector for that, so I'm stumped

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wolf08:

cld2: No luck. It now gives me a new error. "could not set mpeg controls"

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cld2:

wolf08: sorry. is it an mpeg2 encoder? or is that not how the usb stuff works?

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alsoconfused:

Hobbiticus: when it's acting weird, run "vmstat 3" and see if there's the system is swapping heavily (si and so columns)

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wolf08:

I'm not sure. I would assume that it's not, but I don't know

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Hobbiticus:

well, i've looked at xosview and it doesn't show any abnormal disk or swap activity

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fryfrog:

anyone use the module blacklist in ubuntu?

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Hobbiticus:

but i'll try next time it happens

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Fooker:

It appears that the python script cannot find the image module...

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Fooker:

Guess I go hunting for that

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J-e-f-f-A:

sandeen_: Humm... I dunno. I haven't ripped any of my dvd's to myth – need the space for TV shows!

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