| Sunday, January 14th, 2007, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:04] | vegbox4: | how cani check if mythtv was compiled with firewire |
| [00:00:14] | xris: | vegbox4: where did your package come from? |
| [00:00:22] | vegbox4: | umm |
| [00:00:28] | gardengnome: | vegbox4: mythbackend --version |
| [00:00:42] | vegbox4: | yup |
| [00:00:46] | vegbox4: | it says using firewire |
| [00:00:50] | vegbox4: | .20 |
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| [00:01:41] | ObiWanNubie: | how do i check what sound card my tuner is using ? |
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| [00:03:44] | xris: | ObiWanNubie: why would your tuner be using a soundcard? |
| [00:04:53] | ObiWanNubie: | for line in ? |
| [00:05:02] | xris: | ObiWanNubie: that'd be mythtv, not the tuner |
| [00:05:09] | ObiWanNubie: | yes |
| [00:05:22] | ObiWanNubie: | v4lctl list" command doesnt work in knoppmyth |
| [00:05:34] | xris: | ObiWanNubie: what does that have to do with the soundcard? |
| [00:05:48] | ObiWanNubie: | i get no sound ? but i get video |
| [00:06:01] | ObiWanNubie: | so i wanted to check if the sound is properly routed |
| [00:06:03] | xris: | ObiWanNubie: yes. but the soundcard has nothing to do with v4l |
| [00:06:12] | xris: | you want alsactl, or some other audio control panel |
| [00:07:03] | ObiWanNubie: | ? |
| [00:08:12] | ObiWanNubie: | xris: i just want sound from the tv playback ? first i was using onboard, no i have soundblaster plugged in but still no sound |
| [00:08:13] | xris: | ObiWanNubie: there's a whole section in the mythtv documentation about setting up the souncdard |
| [00:08:30] | xris: | ObiWanNubie: yes. and you need to configure your soundcard to enable recording on certain ports, etc. |
| [00:08:31] | vegbox4: | dang |
| [00:08:34] | vegbox4: | yum doesnt work for me now |
| [00:08:36] | xris: | and then tell mythtv to use that soundcard |
| [00:09:16] | ObiWanNubie: | simpler solution ? |
| [00:13:26] | ObiWanNubie: | xris: how do i reconfigure tuner on knoppmyth ? |
| [00:13:43] | xris: | ObiWanNubie: mythtv-setup |
| [00:13:47] | xris: | same place you do it for any distro |
| [00:13:53] | ObiWanNubie: | k |
| [00:14:10] | ObiWanNubie: | ctl 2 to stop backend first |
| [00:14:23] | xris: | no idea there. that's a knopmyth thing |
| [00:15:02] | ObiWanNubie: | k |
| [00:15:24] | juski: | yay my dhcp server's new config is worky :) |
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| [00:19:03] | Milosch: | btw, the celeron with 128M RAM actually works as a frontend |
| [00:19:03] | gardengnome: | juski: what's up? i hear you mumbling stuff like "dhcp", "hdtv", "wlan"... seems like you've changed your mind about a few things ;) |
| [00:19:12] | Agrajag-: | hey anyone else in sydney using dvb not able to tune to channels at the moment? |
| [00:20:19] | bdquick_arch: | i'm looking for information mytharchive. when I do the export all I get is a blue screen. |
| [00:20:37] | juski: | gardengnome: I can't log in to the s100 if zenslack is on there with my english keyboard ;) |
| [00:20:50] | juski: | so I need to ssh, hence the dhcp server |
| [00:21:10] | juski: | and 'other' people might like the s100 software to remain dhcp driven ;) |
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| [00:22:00] | juski: | gardengnome: my whole thing about hdtv is that it's not worth paying $$$ a month for. if I can get it for 'free' with only a modest investment in hardware I will :) |
| [00:22:40] | juski: | I see $ky HD & shudder. I'd want demo quality video for that kind of cash, and that they ain't providing |
| [00:23:24] | Weezey: | i just installed the latest rpms from atrpms and my mythfrontend isn't showing status when I press forward, back, pause, volup/down, status, etc.. |
| [00:23:40] | juski: | gardengnome: btw did you try the 'mythtv plugin' for zenslack? |
| [00:23:50] | juski: | the 0.20-fixes one I mean |
| [00:24:02] | vegbox4: | man |
| [00:24:06] | vegbox4: | i got fedora core 4 |
| [00:24:11] | vegbox4: | i need to get to fc5 |
| [00:25:28] | juski: | Fernsehfunktion von MythTV verwenden |
| [00:25:33] | juski: | oops |
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| [00:28:22] | gardengnome: | juski: why can't you login? because the z and y keys are switched? |
| [00:28:46] | juski: | gardengnome: lol |
| [00:28:48] | gardengnome: | juski: i put the plugin on my usb stick, but i nerver got the zenslack install to boot |
| [00:29:07] | juski: | I'm a wizard at making usb sticks booty now |
| [00:29:48] | juski: | my tv with SCART isn't in the room at the moment & I can't remember how to reconfigure X to work on VGA with IEGD |
| [00:29:49] | gardengnome: | juski: my athlon xp will now change its frequency from 420 to 1000MHz depending on the load. it's not completely stable yet, though :/ |
| [00:30:02] | juski: | gardengnome: spiffy |
| [00:30:34] | juski: | ahh shite |
| [00:31:00] | juski: | installed the 'plugin', ran a script & now can't ssh in, OR see anything on the monitor |
| [00:31:55] | juski: | whee. now which key is / ? |
| [00:32:02] | gardengnome: | shift + 7 |
| [00:32:11] | vegbox4: | can anyone help me get firewire going |
| [00:32:16] | vegbox4: | i dont see where plugctl is |
| [00:32:21] | juski: | gardengnome: that's just weird |
| [00:32:28] | juski: | but thanks :) |
| [00:32:42] | gardengnome: | juski: a bit annoying, yes |
| [00:32:50] | xris: | vegbox4: fedora? |
| [00:33:10] | vegbox4: | opps |
| [00:33:12] | vegbox4: | let me install th eutils |
| [00:34:02] | juski: | damnit.. vi in english is bad enough |
| [00:34:06] | Weezey: | hmm, what's the scroll bar thing that shows up when you pause or change the volume called? I can't figure out how to make it come back if I can't search for what it's called. |
| [00:34:39] | braniff: | if anyone here is using their pvr150 ir blaster to change channels,, please tell me if you need two /dev/lirc devices |
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| [00:34:57] | xris: | Weezey: the osd? |
| [00:35:14] | Weezey: | xris: cool, thanks. |
| [00:35:39] | heanol_: | hi, i'm trying to get mythtv running and it works but watching tv gives distorted colors.. watching tv in kaffeine works fine |
| [00:35:41] | gardengnome: | juski: http://www.textfiles.com/100/actung.hum |
| [00:35:43] | heanol_: | anyone have any idea why? |
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| [00:36:11] | juski: | heanol_: ATI & intel have broken video drivers |
| [00:36:23] | Weezey: | braniff: no, just one it receives and sends |
| [00:36:33] | heanol_: | juski, ah.. yes i have ati. is there any way to fix it? |
| [00:36:36] | vegbox4: | yeah |
| [00:36:39] | vegbox4: | im using fc4 |
| [00:36:42] | vegbox4: | but its way outdated |
| [00:36:45] | juski: | buy nvidia :) |
| [00:36:50] | heanol_: | juski, i will in the future |
| [00:36:54] | vegbox4: | now i cant even udpate cause there are no yum repos for it |
| [00:37:26] | juski: | there's a 'hack' for it.. some packages are available with said 'hack' or you can build it yourself after uncommenting one line in the source |
| [00:37:29] | braniff: | Weezey, thanks, also, i am loading both lirc_i2c AND lirc_pvr150 modules. is this wrong ? |
| [00:37:55] | Weezey: | yeah, I think you only need the pvr_150 one |
| [00:38:30] | braniff: | maybe that's why it's not working...i'll fix that right now |
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| [00:51:06] | carstenc: | Hi all, does anybody have mythtv running with dolby 7.1 or 5.1 ? |
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| [00:58:46] | juski: | finally! I have X on my monitor. sheesh |
| [01:00:40] | juski: | needed some pcf2iegd – fu |
| [01:03:41] | juski: | okay. without having mythfrontend set up to access my backend and potentially screw it up, how do I find out what version it is when --version doesn't work? |
| [01:03:56] | gardengnome: | juski: strings maybe. |
| [01:04:05] | gardengnome: | strings `which mythfrontend` |
| [01:04:13] | gardengnome: | or strings libmyth* |
| [01:04:20] | juski: | no strings command here |
| [01:04:35] | juski: | I'll have to copy a libmyth onto another box |
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| [01:05:41] | kgbudz: | just turn off the backend |
| [01:08:32] | juski: | I can't just do that – I mean to find out the version mythfrontend still wants to talk to the backend for some reason |
| [01:09:59] | kgbudz: | o right |
| [01:10:48] | juski: | aha! 0.20.20060828–3 |
| [01:11:12] | kgbudz: | where was it? |
| [01:11:33] | juski: | strings mythfrontend |grep 0.20 |
| [01:11:43] | juski: | thanks! |
| [01:11:51] | juski: | so this is quite an old -fixes |
| [01:12:09] | juski: | I'll see if I can transplant a newer compile tomorrow |
| [01:12:56] | darkfrog: | I just got Firewire connected to my DCT-6200 HD receiver and the test-mpeg2 works, but when I try to go to LiveTV in myth the backend throws a bunch of "FireRec, Error: TS packet out of sync." errors...can anyone tell me what's going on? |
| [01:13:03] | gardengnome: | it's 1:00am for you, why not do it tonight? ;) |
| [01:13:19] | juski: | har har |
| [01:13:34] | juski: | I'm off to bed now.. thanks for the helpy :) |
| [01:14:04] | juski: | I think that ver. was before the protocol change, so good thing I checked! |
| [01:14:10] | juski: | anyway.. g'night |
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| [01:28:06] | kavorka^: | any mythgame users here? wondering what success rates people have had with getting a usb gamepad working |
| [01:30:13] | vegeat: | dman |
| [01:30:17] | vegeat: | i gotta reinstall my fc |
| [01:30:17] | vegeat: | now |
| [01:31:19] | braniff: | the word "lirc_i2c" is nowhere in my modprobe.conf, but it still gets loaded. lirc_pvr150 never gets loaded. any suggestions? |
| [01:32:20] | gardengnome: | you can blacklist modules |
| [01:33:31] | ** cesman has used a rumblepad w/ xmame! ** | |
| [01:34:57] | kavorka^: | cesman, is that usb? and did you have to cailbrate it at all? |
| [01:35:38] | cesman: | you queried about usb, I'd not have responded if it wasn't usb |
| [01:35:45] | cesman: | no, no calibration needed |
| [01:36:05] | GreyFoxx: | I'm using ausb gamepad and it worked "out of the box" |
| [01:36:19] | kavorka^: | hmmm mine picks up the device, but it only partially works....ie i cant move up |
| [01:36:33] | kavorka^: | what kernels are u guys on? |
| [01:37:17] | cesman: | 2.6.18-chw-13 |
| [01:37:21] | GreyFoxx: | up until 2 weeks ago I was using 2.6.12.5,now 2.6.19.1 |
| [01:38:24] | kavorka^: | ok im on 2.6.16...so i can rule out the kernel as being a factor...i think? |
| [01:38:47] | GreyFoxx: | I really couldn't say if it would be a bug there or not really |
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| [01:38:57] | cesman: | perhaps if you stated what the issue is you are having and what emulator you are trying to use |
| [01:39:15] | cesman: | you should note:mythgame is simply a frontend |
| [01:40:27] | kavorka^: | using xmame, in 2d games (eg 1942) i cant move up...the buttons work but joystick cant move up....in xmamerc i have joytype set to 1 |
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| [01:40:52] | kavorka^: | the device correctly appears as joydevname /dev/input/js0 |
| [01:41:30] | braniff: | SUCCESS! lirc_i2c was being loaded by /etc/sysconfig/modules/lircd.conf in my MythDora |
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| [01:42:14] | braniff: | now i can use irsend with my pvr150 |
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| [01:50:53] | darkfrog: | I'm having serious issues getting Firewire to work...would someone that has experience with this be kind enough to help me figure it out? |
| [01:51:46] | darkfrog: | plugreport reports properly....test-mpeg2 worked the first time I ran it, but I did the things suggested in Jarod's HOWTO and now it creates the file but mplayer refuses to play it now... |
| [01:53:33] | darkfrog: | Please help me...I've been at this for hours now. :o |
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| [01:54:29] | kavorka^: | success....got the joystick working....one more question...how do i get rid of the mouse cursor in the middle of the screen? |
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| [02:07:04] | cesman: | kavorka^: -nocu |
| [02:07:25] | kavorka^: | cesman, cheers ill try it now |
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| [02:18:16] | dee: | Hello, I had a very basic question about mythtv and was wondering if someone can answer? I am grabbing my channel list via XMLTV and getting the video in to my comp via composite input – from an external tuner. Now I would like to add a channel manually to my lineup but when I use mythweb, I can't really see an option to do that. So how can I do that? |
| [02:18:29] | dee: | By the way, I have mythtv 0.20 |
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| [02:26:26] | awilkins: | Nyarrrgh |
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| [02:26:55] | awilkins: | mythwelcome / nvram-wakup is bugging me yet again, the crap I've had to put in |
| [02:27:20] | awilkins: | Despite the database having 2 settings for the time format, it's trying to pass time_t to mythshutdown |
| [02:27:23] | Aurelius: | hrm |
| [02:27:41] | kavorka^: | cesman, thanks...it has done the trick....and would you believe i finally have finished my mythbox after 5 months...everything works :) |
| [02:27:50] | kavorka^: | time to back this sucker up!! |
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| [02:27:55] | awilkins: | So I've just set them both to ISO 8601 and made the nvram-wakeup command ...... |
| [02:27:59] | awilkins: | date -d "`echo $time | sed "s/T/ /"`" +%s | xargs nvram-wakeup -A -s |
| [02:28:26] | ** awilkins sobs ** | |
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| [02:28:50] | cesman: | you're welcome |
| [02:28:54] | cesman: | 5 months1 |
| [02:29:04] | cesman: | wow, guess you really wanted a set-top box |
| [02:29:12] | awilkins: | date doesn't like ISO 8601 with the "T", but doesn't throw an error, just silently gives out the wrong date. |
| [02:32:11] | kavorka^: | cesman, well yeah i had it working after the first month but there were niggling issues from getting wireless to work, livetv performance, to mytharchive to transcoding to mythgame...but its been lots of fun |
| [02:32:24] | Aurelius: | ah |
| [02:32:45] | kavorka^: | sounds weird but ive really enjoyed nutting out all the problems |
| [02:32:51] | Aurelius: | i finally realize I can just use a filter to do the compositing of the timestamp |
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| [02:43:40] | cheatersrealm: | is there a way to record all new episodes of a given show? |
| [02:44:09] | cheatersrealm: | is that 'record at any time on any channel' ? |
| [02:44:20] | cheatersrealm: | (except that might record older episodes) |
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| [02:47:39] | Aurelius: | bah |
| [02:47:52] | Aurelius: | Recording filters are set for each individual channel. These may be used when encoding in software (MPEG-4, RTjpeg) but do not apply when using a capture card with hardware encoding such as those supported by the ivtv driver, DVB, HDTV or MJPEG cards. |
| [02:49:42] | vegeat: | does myth tv work on gnome now |
| [02:49:45] | vegeat: | or still kde recommended? |
| [02:50:30] | cheatersrealm: | vegeat: I have the frontend working under gnome right now in ubuntu |
| [02:50:59] | vegeat: | any problems? |
| [02:51:30] | cesman: | mythtv will work w/ any desktop and most if not all window mangers |
| [02:51:41] | cheatersrealm: | vegeat: not that I can tell |
| [02:51:42] | cesman: | it doesn't even need a window manager |
| [02:52:01] | vegeat: | Hit enter, and the script will tootle along over to the Internet Movie Database and retrieve details about the film as well as a poster of it. |
| [02:52:02] | vegeat: | lol |
| [02:52:04] | vegeat: | i love myth docs |
| [02:52:06] | vegeat: | tootle |
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| [02:54:00] | Aurelius: | anyone know if there's a way to do realtime filter from an ivtv source? |
| [02:55:26] | cheatersrealm: | Aurelius: my ivtv cards put out a mpeg encoded singla |
| [02:55:41] | cheatersrealm: | you would probably need to transcode |
| [02:55:44] | Aurelius: | yes, but i'm capturing with myth, and per myth's documentatio |
| [02:55:56] | Aurelius: | it won't apply filters to ivtv captures |
| [02:55:57] | kgbudz: | what realtime filter you want to do |
| [02:55:59] | Aurelius: | (on record) |
| [02:56:03] | Aurelius: | one i'm going to write |
| [02:56:11] | kgbudz: | wrap /dev/video? |
| [02:56:12] | Aurelius: | to add a time overlay |
| [02:56:28] | kgbudz: | not sure if thats possible |
| [02:56:39] | Aurelius: | not sure if what's possible? |
| [02:56:51] | kgbudz: | wrapping /dev/video |
| [02:56:53] | Aurelius: | oh |
| [02:57:06] | Aurelius: | yeah, i was thinking adding the filter to the chain that myth uses |
| [02:57:31] | kgbudz: | make a new device |
| [02:57:34] | Aurelius: | but it seems that it won't apply recording filters when using a hardware card |
| [02:57:35] | kgbudz: | then tell myth to use it |
| [02:57:42] | kgbudz: | what you mean |
| [02:58:03] | vegeat: | man |
| [02:58:10] | vegeat: | this is an all day adventure to get firewire working |
| [02:58:18] | kgbudz: | dev/video pushes out mpeg2 |
| [02:58:23] | kgbudz: | on ivtv |
| [02:58:33] | Aurelius: | Applying filters |
| [02:58:33] | Aurelius: | One or more filters can be included in a "filter chain". The filters to be used are identified in a "filter string" |
| [02:58:34] | Aurelius: | .... |
| [02:58:40] | Aurelius: | Recording filters are set for each individual channel. These may be used when encoding in software (MPEG-4, RTjpeg) but do not apply when using a capture card with hardware encoding such as those supported by the ivtv driver, DVB, HDTV or MJPEG cards. |
| [02:58:56] | kgbudz: | so you want to do it at the mythtv level? |
| [02:59:06] | Aurelius: | either there are through ivtv |
| [02:59:08] | kgbudz: | do it up |
| [02:59:24] | Aurelius: | so i can have a continuously updating timestamp on the image |
| [02:59:39] | kgbudz: | why do you want that |
| [02:59:53] | Aurelius: | have times on recorded tv |
| [03:00:02] | kgbudz: | the current time? |
| [03:00:21] | Aurelius: | no, the recorded time |
| [03:00:32] | kgbudz: | the playtime? |
| [03:00:35] | kgbudz: | from the start? |
| [03:00:51] | Aurelius: | no, the current time at record time |
| [03:01:03] | kgbudz: | right |
| [03:01:10] | kgbudz: | isnt that just the start time + play time |
| [03:01:16] | Aurelius: | yes |
| [03:01:20] | kgbudz: | why do you want to encode that in the video stream? |
| [03:01:30] | Aurelius: | i'd rather not do postproc, but if need be, i may :( |
| [03:01:45] | kgbudz: | you just need to store the starttime |
| [03:01:57] | defaultro: | guys, I have a wide xinerama setup using 2 monitors. How come, when I play it, it still plays the video on one screen? But when I play it with mplayer, it gets played in the center which is what I like? |
| [03:02:00] | Aurelius: | to be able to search through large files |
| [03:02:01] | kgbudz: | i mean, im not sure what your trying to do |
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| [03:02:39] | Aurelius: | kgbudz: when searching through a video file, having offset is good...but having the actual time of record time is better |
| [03:03:06] | defaultro: | or does MythtV only supports specific screen? |
| [03:03:08] | cheatersrealm: | defaultro: you can tell mythtv to use xinerama, on the frontend go to utilities/setup and then under appearance |
| [03:03:30] | kgbudz: | Aurelius, im just saying why waste quality and time writing the timestamp in each frame |
| [03:03:33] | cheatersrealm: | under the page labeled 'screen settings' change xinerama screen to all |
| [03:03:43] | defaultro: | cheatersrealm, it does show that if using TwinView but not when using xinerama |
| [03:03:45] | Aurelius: | kgbudz: we need timestamp |
| [03:03:46] | kgbudz: | when all you need to do is know the start time and you can calculate the time of any frame during playback |
| [03:03:46] | defaultro: | it's weird |
| [03:03:56] | Aurelius: | high quality isn't crucial |
| [03:04:09] | defaultro: | but like what I said, I want the video to be displayed in the middle of the 2 screens. That means, video is splitted |
| [03:04:10] | kgbudz: | im just posing a different approach |
| [03:04:17] | kgbudz: | im not going to argue your design |
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| [03:04:30] | Aurelius: | kgbudz: i understand your approach, and i've thought of doing post processing |
| [03:04:39] | kgbudz: | there is no processing |
| [03:04:43] | kgbudz: | you just adding 2 numbers together |
| [03:04:50] | Aurelius: | oh, no. we need to have it on the video |
| [03:04:57] | Aurelius: | that's the bottom line requirement heh |
| [03:05:11] | kgbudz: | right |
| [03:05:13] | kgbudz: | thats possible to |
| [03:05:27] | kgbudz: | adding 2 numbers, then displaying it... |
| [03:05:50] | cheatersrealm: | holy crap, if I span tv across 3200x1200 everyone looks like they weigh 500 pounds |
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| [03:05:59] | Aurelius: | yeah... but it has to be _in_ the mpeg |
| [03:06:02] | defaultro: | :) |
| [03:06:17] | cheatersrealm: | the split down the middle is somewhat annoying |
| [03:06:25] | defaultro: | but not here cheaters, it still looks normal |
| [03:06:31] | defaultro: | you have to play with the aspect ratio |
| [03:06:43] | cheatersrealm: | meh |
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| [03:06:51] | cheatersrealm: | the TV stuff is sweet though |
| [03:06:51] | defaultro: | it will not be annoying if it is displayed in 2 projectors |
| [03:06:57] | cheatersrealm: | oh wow |
| [03:07:00] | cheatersrealm: | nice |
| [03:07:05] | defaultro: | let me show you how it is done |
| [03:07:34] | defaultro: | here cheater, http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/texture_colour/edgeblend/ |
| [03:07:38] | cheatersrealm: | it's like a 40 inch tv! |
| [03:07:47] | defaultro: | not just 40 inch but 14 feet |
| [03:08:34] | kgbudz: | nice |
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| [03:09:02] | cheatersrealm: | on my thing, it's 2x20" screens |
| [03:09:05] | cheatersrealm: | wow that's pretty amazing |
| [03:09:06] | defaultro: | look at how it is done but using a hardware, http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php . . . #post9005355 |
| [03:09:18] | cheatersrealm: | where is the 14 foot screen going? |
| [03:09:25] | dee: | Hi, I have another question. I have a very high quality external MPEG4 encoder. The stream to this encoder can be established via RTP and both quicktime and VLC can do it. Is it in any way possible to use this encoder in mythtv to record direct MPEG4 stream on the HD and then use some software decoder to play this stream in Mythtv? |
| [03:09:32] | defaultro: | it's going to be annoying on ours since our tv have borders |
| [03:09:35] | defaultro: | projectors doesn't |
| [03:10:04] | defaultro: | cheaters, I have a 1600 sqft basement and one area will be a dedicated home theater |
| [03:10:10] | cheatersrealm: | that's awesome |
| [03:10:12] | defaultro: | 14'x21' |
| [03:10:25] | defaultro: | did you see the thread? |
| [03:10:28] | cheatersrealm: | nah |
| [03:10:31] | Aurelius: | kgbudz: post processing will probably be the only way, huh |
| [03:10:32] | cheatersrealm: | I don't read |
| [03:10:36] | cheatersrealm: | :) |
| [03:11:11] | defaultro: | oh, just look at the pictures |
| [03:11:25] | defaultro: | you don't need to read |
| [03:11:54] | cheatersrealm: | link me? |
| [03:12:30] | defaultro: | huh? |
| [03:12:39] | cheatersrealm: | to the thread |
| [03:13:07] | defaultro: | i posted it a while ago |
| [03:13:13] | defaultro: | let me grab the specific picture :) |
| [03:13:57] | Aurelius: | hrm |
| [03:14:00] | Aurelius: | maybe i can add it |
| [03:14:06] | defaultro: | left video at 60 percent, http://i12.tinypic.com/48pwjt3.jpg |
| [03:14:25] | defaultro: | right video at 60%, http://i12.tinypic.com/2dka5gh.jpg |
| [03:14:35] | defaultro: | when combined, http://i12.tinypic.com/29w3988.jpg |
| [03:15:02] | cheatersrealm: | I take it you have HDTV signal |
| [03:15:12] | defaultro: | yes, i have |
| [03:15:46] | cheatersrealm: | yeah, I have limited basic cable |
| [03:15:46] | cheatersrealm: | lol |
| [03:16:25] | defaultro: | you don't need premium, it's called edge blending implementation which is very hot right now |
| [03:17:12] | cheatersrealm: | limited basic cable is the cable that I get from comcast, it has public access + cspan and home shopping |
| [03:17:15] | cheatersrealm: | and it's not in HD |
| [03:17:55] | defaultro: | it's not in HD, it has nothing to do with it |
| [03:18:09] | cheatersrealm: | I'm saying your setup is worth it, because you have HD |
| [03:18:14] | cheatersrealm: | if I did that, it wouldn't be worth it |
| [03:18:25] | defaultro: | you don';t need |
| [03:18:35] | cheatersrealm: | really? |
| [03:19:38] | cheatersrealm: | I don't see how you can blow up a regular tv signal that much and have it be that clear |
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| [03:25:50] | defaultro: | regular tv signal won't fill up a 2.35 screen |
| [03:26:04] | defaultro: | there will be huge black bars on both sides |
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| [03:26:48] | cheatersrealm: | well then what's the point of going to all that trouble :) |
| [03:27:37] | defaultro: | trouble? or excitement |
| [03:27:41] | defaultro: | enjoyment i mean |
| [03:27:55] | cheatersrealm: | haha |
| [03:28:06] | cheatersrealm: | trouble |
| [03:28:12] | defaultro: | in what way? |
| [03:28:13] | cheatersrealm: | I would have to make neough money to buy the equiptment |
| [03:28:18] | defaultro: | oh |
| [03:28:23] | cheatersrealm: | then I would have to spend at least a whole day getting it to work |
| [03:28:25] | defaultro: | gotcha |
| [03:28:27] | defaultro: | just stick with 1 tv then |
| [03:28:28] | cheatersrealm: | then I'd have to get a better cable hook up |
| [03:28:36] | defaultro: | i don't care spending 6 months tweaking |
| [03:28:38] | cheatersrealm: | so I don't just get crap |
| [03:29:53] | cheatersrealm: | what kind of audio setup you got? |
| [03:30:25] | defaultro: | 7.1 |
| [03:30:28] | defaultro: | yamaha |
| [03:30:44] | defaultro: | Paradigm speakers and 20hz SVS subwoofer |
| [03:30:56] | cheatersrealm: | wow |
| [03:31:07] | cheatersrealm: | other than cable, what other stuff do you put up on the screen? |
| [03:31:10] | cheatersrealm: | hd-dvd? |
| [03:31:16] | defaultro: | i don't have hd-dvd yet |
| [03:31:32] | cheatersrealm: | ahh |
| [03:31:33] | defaultro: | i use mythtv a lot |
| [03:31:35] | cheatersrealm: | you should game on that |
| [03:31:40] | cheatersrealm: | that would be crazy |
| [03:31:41] | defaultro: | yes but no money yet |
| [03:31:45] | defaultro: | :) |
| [03:31:58] | cheatersrealm: | ha |
| [03:32:09] | cheatersrealm: | you're probably spending half a paycheck on cable hookup each month :) |
| [03:34:01] | jacKnife: | hey all, i just set up myth for the first time and i'm having audio sync problems when watching live tv |
| [03:34:19] | jacKnife: | i have my adio coming out of my tv card (kworld atsc-110) |
| [03:34:33] | jacKnife: | but not sure if it should be sent out of another sound card or what |
| [03:35:11] | jacKnife: | its like, whatever is coming in thorugh cable is just constantly being sent out even when i'm in myth menu |
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| [03:36:35] | kgbudz: | Aurelius, if you can do it, realtime is easiest and best |
| [03:37:50] | vegeat: | how does channel changin work on a SA3250? |
| [03:38:44] | Aurelius: | kgbudz: i'm looking at libs/libmythtv/mpegrecorder.h |
| [03:38:50] | Aurelius: | appears as if there's an override in the class |
| [03:38:55] | Aurelius: | to prevent filters |
| [03:39:20] | kgbudz: | either way, your going to have to compile your own |
| [03:39:38] | kgbudz: | download ivtv, patch in your code, compile |
| [03:39:49] | Aurelius: | gonna do it in myth |
| [03:39:51] | Aurelius: | not in ivtv |
| [03:40:20] | kgbudz: | realtime? |
| [03:40:35] | Aurelius: | prolly, if i can manage it |
| [03:40:42] | Aurelius: | i'm not re3ally a big coder :)959 |
| [03:40:42] | kgbudz: | how? |
| [03:40:46] | kgbudz: | haha |
| [03:40:55] | kgbudz: | like myth doesnt do that |
| [03:40:56] | Aurelius: | .sorry, my son is hitting the laptop keyboard |
| [03:41:16] | kgbudz: | i dont think there is an interface in myth which will write out frames during playback |
| [03:41:26] | kgbudz: | ivtv is your best bet |
| [03:41:29] | kgbudz: | by far |
| [03:41:44] | cheatersrealm: | Aurelius: for what it's worth, they are fairly knowledgable about ivtv on the ivtv mailing list |
| [03:41:44] | Aurelius: | it's not during playback |
| [03:41:46] | Aurelius: | durinng recording |
| [03:42:23] | vegeat: | does the pvr150 come with an irblaster |
| [03:42:31] | vegeat: | or do i have to make my own to work with the sa3250? |
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| [03:45:42] | defaultro: | guys, tomorrows, 2 hour preimier of 24 |
| [03:45:53] | kgbudz: | duh |
| [03:46:06] | Aurelius: | was leaked on the intarweb |
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| [03:46:09] | cheatersrealm: | defaultro: it's already leaked |
| [03:46:16] | kgbudz: | that was like weeks ago |
| [03:46:18] | cheatersrealm: | dvd rips! |
| [03:46:19] | kgbudz: | i didnt watch it |
| [03:46:23] | kgbudz: | cause i want to see it in HD |
| [03:46:23] | cheatersrealm: | ha |
| [03:46:53] | cheatersrealm: | my friend said it was really good |
| [03:47:03] | cheatersrealm: | I have it set to record |
| [03:48:25] | kgbudz: | im going to miss monday |
| [03:48:28] | kgbudz: | will be on a plane |
| [03:49:07] | cheatersrealm: | oh no! |
| [03:52:08] | nasa: | Could anyone point me to instructions on how to create these channel.conf files? |
| [03:52:19] | ** kgbudz points over there ** | |
| [03:53:20] | ** nasa asked for that.... ** | |
| [03:53:35] | defaultro: | nasa, dvbscan |
| [03:53:44] | defaultro: | type it in google |
| [03:53:49] | defaultro: | type both words |
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| [03:58:16] | nasa: | from what I have read, I need to know the frequency to pass to dvbscan (or scandvb for my system). The readme says "manually provide the data for tuning to one or more start transponders" – so where do I get the transponders data? |
| [03:58:43] | nasa: | Or do I just tune mythtv to a station and then run scandvb? |
| [04:10:57] | kslater: | nasa what type of card do you have? |
| [04:11:25] | amp: | anyone ever use zap2it ? |
| [04:11:41] | kslater: | amp: use zap2it for what? |
| [04:11:49] | Aurelius: | xmltv |
| [04:11:52] | kslater: | loads of people use zap2it |
| [04:11:56] | amp: | for my listings |
| [04:12:15] | kgbudz: | ive been using it for like 2 years now |
| [04:12:32] | kgbudz: | those guys got it right |
| [04:12:35] | nasa: | kslater: pchdtv 5500 |
| [04:12:50] | kslater: | ok and you're in the US trying to tune HD OTA? |
| [04:13:02] | amp: | I am trying to setup mythtv but when running the cron.d command (mythtv-backend) it trys to connect to my zap2it account but its getting a 401 on http access, yet looks like its downloading half of files..forever. |
| [04:13:31] | kslater: | amp – did you sign up for an account and setup a listing like the docs call out? |
| [04:13:42] | nasa: | kslater: I am trying this via cable |
| [04:13:50] | amp: | yes I have, and double checked my login information |
| [04:13:56] | nasa: | I have a hd cable box |
| [04:14:15] | kgbudz: | amp, do you have a zap2it account |
| [04:14:16] | amp: | Connecting to datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com|206.18.98.160|:80... connected. |
| [04:14:17] | amp: | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Unauthorized |
| [04:14:17] | amp: | Reusing existing connection to datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com:80 |
| [04:14:31] | kslater: | nasa: so you're trying to get the unencrypted HD channels from your cable provider |
| [04:14:41] | nasa: | Yeah |
| [04:14:44] | kgbudz: | amp: http://labs.zap2it.com |
| [04:14:45] | kslater: | sorry man, I've only done HD OTA |
| [04:14:53] | kgbudz: | log in |
| [04:14:55] | amp: | kgbudz yes I do |
| [04:15:02] | nasa: | np, thanks for inquiring |
| [04:15:13] | kgbudz: | zap2it accounts expire every 6 months or so |
| [04:15:22] | kgbudz: | you need to login and renew it |
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| [04:15:35] | amp: | its brand new...one week old |
| [04:15:46] | kgbudz: | well, log in and make sure everything is ok |
| [04:15:46] | kslater: | nasa you might follow a similar path to what I did for OTA, which is to run scandvb with a file which calls out the frequencies |
| [04:15:50] | kgbudz: | view you listings, etc |
| [04:16:07] | kgbudz: | if everything is ok, maybe the service is down |
| [04:16:43] | amp: | everything looks good |
| [04:17:55] | kslater: | nasa you might try a locate on your system for this file: us-Cable-EIA-542-HRC-center-frequencies-QAM256 |
| [04:18:12] | kslater: | then run dvbscan with that file as input and see if it finds anything |
| [04:18:32] | kslater: | there's also another with IRC-center-freq in the name on my system. |
| [04:18:38] | defaultro: | hey guys, what do you think about this plan |
| [04:19:13] | Aurelius: | awesome |
| [04:19:15] | Aurelius: | i'd do it too |
| [04:19:27] | defaultro: | backup mysql and mythconverg table. Install a new linux. Install all necesarry drivers. Make sure mythtv compiles and makes properly. When it's installed, restore from backup |
| [04:19:47] | kgbudz: | ive done that many times |
| [04:19:55] | kgbudz: | just make sure your backup is complete |
| [04:19:56] | defaultro: | what do you think? it's solid |
| [04:19:58] | defaultro: | yep |
| [04:19:59] | defaultro: | cool |
| [04:20:02] | kgbudz: | and dont switch versions inbetween |
| [04:20:07] | defaultro: | yep |
| [04:20:11] | defaultro: | i will upgrade first |
| [04:20:18] | defaultro: | i will also backup my source mythtv installer |
| [04:20:25] | kgbudz: | like i dont even dump the tables |
| [04:20:27] | defaultro: | that's where i will install from |
| [04:20:32] | kslater: | nasa – did that help? |
| [04:20:34] | kgbudz: | i just tar up the mythconverg directory |
| [04:20:38] | defaultro: | cool |
| [04:20:43] | defaultro: | that's what i would do too |
| [04:20:53] | kgbudz: | but as i said, dont mess up the backup |
| [04:20:56] | kgbudz: | then your toast |
| [04:20:57] | defaultro: | yes |
| [04:20:59] | defaultro: | ;) |
| [04:21:05] | Aurelius: | it's just tv :) |
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| [04:26:33] | defaultro: | kgbudz, i'm thinking of installing FC6 but with black clear desktop, no icons |
| [04:26:59] | nasa: | kslater: I was doing some more googling... Missed your message (going back to review now) |
| [04:27:02] | defaultro: | in order to take advantage of beryl and the plugin I want which is the blend mask |
| [04:27:32] | amp: | is this normal when populating the backend with channels from zap2it via the terminal ? Reusing existing connection to datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com:80. |
| [04:27:32] | amp: | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK |
| [04:27:32] | amp: | Length: unspecified [text/xml] |
| [04:28:01] | amp: | does that mean its working even though the http request shows 401 ? |
| [04:28:11] | defaultro: | yes amp |
| [04:28:25] | defaultro: | you will even see unauthorized |
| [04:28:39] | amp: | so it just takesfor freakin ever to download this stuff the first time or what not ? |
| [04:28:58] | amp: | not sure ya know ? trying to follow the guides. |
| [04:29:01] | defaultro: | but some do the delta way |
| [04:29:07] | amp: | ok cool, I will wait |
| [04:29:17] | defaultro: | as long as it is scrollling |
| [04:29:23] | defaultro: | does it scroll |
| [04:29:26] | amp: | yea |
| [04:29:30] | defaultro: | cool |
| [04:29:31] | defaultro: | :D |
| [04:29:46] | amp: | cool beans. brb need coffee now |
| [04:29:53] | defaultro: | you're actually downloading all the data from all the computers in the world |
| [04:30:02] | alsoconfused: | defaultro: have you installed myth on fc6 before? |
| [04:30:11] | defaultro: | i will be soon |
| [04:30:23] | defaultro: | why? |
| [04:30:23] | defaultro: | have you tried it? |
| [04:30:27] | defaultro: | is it slow? |
| [04:30:47] | alsoconfused: | i'm rolling one now. |
| [04:31:02] | alsoconfused: | only one machine here, so i installed fc6 via qemu |
| [04:31:21] | alsoconfused: | it's yum installing mythtv-suite now |
| [04:31:23] | defaultro: | don't know what qemu is :) |
| [04:31:32] | alsoconfused: | pc emulator |
| [04:31:48] | nasa: | kslater: I do have that file and am trying it right now. |
| [04:32:20] | adante: | so, is it not possible to create different profiles for transcoding other than the autodetect, high/medium/low quality? |
| [04:34:05] | amp: | how do I know when its finished ? |
| [04:34:08] | dee: | Hi, I have another question. I have a very high quality external MPEG4 encoder. The stream to this encoder can be established via RTP and both quicktime and VLC can do it. Is it in any way possible to use this encoder in mythtv to record direct MPEG4 stream on the HD and then use some software decoder to play this stream in Mythtv? |
| [04:34:12] | amp: | defaultpro ? |
| [04:34:15] | defaultro: | yes |
| [04:34:23] | defaultro: | it will go back to the prompt |
| [04:34:25] | defaultro: | easy |
| [04:34:27] | defaultro: | :) |
| [04:34:27] | amp: | ok |
| [04:34:39] | defaultro: | maybe, you selected everything in zap2it |
| [04:34:58] | defaultro: | you should only select the channels that your card was able to find |
| [04:35:23] | defaultro: | adding those channels that are not found by your card will make your life miserable |
| [04:35:38] | amp: | wow, kinda imbodin |
| [04:35:42] | amp: | or whatever |
| [04:35:52] | amp: | I will have to check |
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| [04:36:23] | defaultro: | by the way guys, in my dvbscan, it doesn't know the name of the channel. Is there a way to find the callsign in the stream? |
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| [04:37:33] | defaultro: | but i remember I was getting the channel names when using Air2PC but not with fusion via QAM256 |
| [04:37:43] | defaultro: | Air2pc via external antenna |
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| [04:51:16] | amp: | hey default ? |
| [04:51:56] | amp: | is this Mandatory to view tv. It seems to keep hanging up while getting those packets fromzap2it. |
| [04:51:59] | amp: | ? |
| [04:52:09] | amp: | nvm he left |
| [04:52:16] | amp: | anyone ? |
| [04:52:31] | amp: | I try to view live tv but it just goes black. |
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| [04:56:58] | sigger_: | anyone know of an IRC chan for dealing with ipod/itunes stuff? |
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| [05:00:11] | cheatersrealm: | where does mythtv frontend store it's config file for qt painting vs opengl painting |
| [05:00:28] | alsoconfused: | cheatersrealm: in the database |
| [05:00:33] | The_Ball: | what does mythtranscode use for the actual encoding? mencoder or transcode or something else? |
| [05:00:50] | cheatersrealm: | alsoconfused: oh, thanks |
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| [05:03:24] | cheatersrealm: | a quick mysql hack later, and I've fixed it :) |
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| [05:42:15] | vegeat: | can someone help me im having problems getting plugctl to work |
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| [05:53:44] | sigger_: | There a way to give a computer a second hostname? an alias I guess? |
| [06:00:07] | RatRod666: | is anyone here running an ATI remote wonder 2? |
| [06:03:00] | cesman: | something like that should work |
| [06:03:00] | xris: | sigger_: won't show up to the computer itself, though. |
| [06:03:12] | cesman: | right |
| [06:03:18] | sigger_: | will it show up to the outside world |
| [06:03:19] | imperfect-: | Anyone know why myth would cause Xorg to segfault? |
| [06:03:35] | xris: | sigger_: no. you'd need to add an entry on each machine.. or run your own dns zone |
| [06:03:42] | defaultro: | hey folks, how do I setup mythcommflag so that it only runs every 3am and onwards? |
| [06:04:06] | defaultro: | can I do it via the mysql backend? |
| [06:04:06] | sigger_: | mmm... I'm really more looking to have like a second hostname |
| [06:04:19] | adante: | slightly ot question but... is there any other linux htpc software that provides decent video-browsing functionality? |
| [06:04:37] | xris: | sigger_: how is that different from what we've said? |
| [06:04:46] | cesman: | sigger_: I don't think you can do that |
| [06:05:04] | defaultro: | does anyone here owns a CRT projector? |
| [06:05:19] | cesman: | adante: you can try freevo |
| [06:05:29] | cesman: | I however have never used it |
| [06:05:48] | sigger_: | xris: If I understand, what you're describing has to go on the machine that wants to use the second name. I'm saying I want a machine to propagate a 2nd name. |
| [06:05:55] | adante: | hmm tried it a few years ago and was left underwhelmed |
| [06:06:19] | braniff: | sigger, sounds like you need to do that with DNS |
| [06:06:46] | xris: | sigger_: machines don't propogate their own dns names |
| [06:07:04] | cesman: | :) |
| [06:07:05] | xris: | sigger_: like braniff and I said, if you want that, you need to run your own dns server. |
| [06:07:10] | vegeat: | can anyone help me trouble shoot my firewire issues |
| [06:07:22] | sigger_: | hmm, k, well thanks you very much guys. |
| [06:07:25] | xris: | vegeat: what's plugreport say? |
| [06:08:05] | vegeat: | http://pastebin.ca/316091 |
| [06:08:41] | braniff: | adante, if you mean video viewing: xine and mplayer are good |
| [06:08:59] | xris: | vegeat: have you run through the testing stuff in jarod's guide? |
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| [06:09:34] | adante: | braniff: i more mean for browsing for video files and stuff |
| [06:09:45] | vegeat: | which one is jarods guide |
| [06:09:54] | vegeat: | im on : http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php |
| [06:10:01] | xris: | that's it |
| [06:10:06] | xris: | can you get a test mpg? |
| [06:10:13] | vegeat: | umm i get something |
| [06:10:23] | vegeat: | but myplayer says it cant find avisynth.dll |
| [06:10:36] | xris: | try another app, like xine or ffplay |
| [06:11:02] | vegeat: | yummingit now |
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| [06:13:48] | vegeat: | xine says file is empty |
| [06:13:49] | vegeat: | :( |
| [06:14:05] | vegeat: | i guess charter does block firewire ports |
| [06:14:06] | vegeat: | it seems |
| [06:14:17] | xris: | vegeat: did you ask that they enable them? |
| [06:14:24] | vegeat: | umm |
| [06:14:27] | vegeat: | i can give them a call |
| [06:14:35] | vegeat: | can they enable over th ephone? |
| [06:14:39] | xris: | no clue |
| [06:14:45] | xris: | one more thing you can do, though |
| [06:14:45] | Aurelius: | firewire ports? |
| [06:14:50] | xris: | look in contrib for firewire_tester.c |
| [06:14:50] | Aurelius: | oh, on your box |
| [06:14:51] | Aurelius: | heh |
| [06:15:12] | xris: | Aurelius: on the cable box |
| [06:15:22] | vegeat: | shouldi try firewire_tester |
| [06:15:23] | vegeat: | ? |
| [06:15:53] | xris: | vegeat: can't hurt to run it a few times to see |
| [06:17:25] | vegeat: | damn need to isntall gcc |
| [06:18:53] | vegeat: | running the test |
| [06:18:55] | vegeat: | it doesnt look good |
| [06:19:04] | vegeat: | just says, P2P: Testing... |
| [06:19:16] | xris: | vegeat: sometimes have to run it multiple times. |
| [06:19:22] | xris: | and specify the correct ports, etc. |
| [06:19:38] | vegeat: | default is 0 which is correct |
| [06:19:43] | vegeat: | andi put -n 0 for node 0 |
| [06:19:53] | vegeat: | and r 5 |
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| [06:20:17] | xris: | could try -V |
| [06:20:19] | xris: | er, -B |
| [06:20:35] | xris: | this is what I run: /usr/local/bin/firewire_tester -B -P 1 -n |
| [06:21:36] | vegeat: | broadcast failed |
| [06:22:43] | xris: | run it 5 or 6 times |
| [06:22:51] | xris: | same with p2p |
| [06:23:22] | vegeat: | i did |
| [06:23:24] | vegeat: | same result |
| [06:23:45] | kslater: | buddylist |
| [06:23:50] | kslater: | doh |
| [06:24:07] | xris: | vegeat: sounds like the port could be disabled |
| [06:24:14] | vegeat: | yup |
| [06:24:16] | vegeat: | time to call |
| [06:24:30] | vegeat: | i wonder if they can do this over the phone |
| [06:24:55] | xris: | vegeat: it would be over the cable wire, and it might be possible |
| [06:25:53] | vegeat: | hpefully |
| [06:25:59] | vegeat: | they should enable it no? |
| [06:26:02] | vegeat: | by law? |
| [06:26:14] | defaultro: | hi xris, can you help me please, where can i change the time so I can set mythcommflag to run at a certain time only? |
| [06:26:51] | xris: | defaultro: not sure. best guess would be to turn off auto-commflag, and then run it via cron at your discression |
| [06:27:03] | defaultro: | ok |
| [06:30:50] | vegeat: | charter isnt picking up |
| [06:30:51] | vegeat: | :( |
| [06:30:54] | vegeat: | they know im calling them |
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| [06:32:06] | xris: | vegeat: or they don't have 24/7 service |
| [06:32:11] | vegeat: | they do |
| [06:32:12] | vegeat: | they better |
| [06:32:15] | vegeat: | i pay 110 bucks |
| [06:32:19] | vegeat: | for this service a month |
| [06:32:19] | vegeat: | lol |
| [06:32:36] | vegeat: | well if i cant get that, would it be best to run svideo in to my pvr 150? |
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| [06:33:39] | xris: | yup |
| [06:33:59] | vegeat: | how would handle the audio |
| [06:34:09] | vegeat: | in to my sound card, i wonder how bad the sync issues are |
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| [06:35:44] | vegeat: | even if firewire is enabled |
| [06:35:54] | vegeat: | most of the channells are 5c encrypted right? |
| [06:36:14] | defaultro: | also guys, 2 months ago, i change the account running mythv from root to mythtv. Now, all my recordings via the v4l doesn't have any sound. Where should I look at to fix this issue? |
| [06:36:17] | vegeat: | can i use the pvr 150s ir to control the stb? |
| [06:37:09] | xris: | vegeat: pvr-150 has audio in |
| [06:37:19] | vegeat: | ohh shit really |
| [06:37:21] | vegeat: | thats news to me |
| [06:37:21] | xris: | vegeat: encryption depends on your provider |
| [06:37:22] | vegeat: | haha |
| [06:37:43] | vegeat: | how about the ir blasting part xris, do i have to build myown? |
| [06:37:58] | xris: | vegeat: lirc should work with it |
| [06:38:17] | vegeat: | so i dont need to run to the store for any additional parts |
| [06:39:24] | vegeat: | thats they keyphrase im looking for here |
| [06:39:25] | vegeat: | lol |
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| [06:43:53] | vegeat: | xris left the building? |
| [06:44:30] | xris: | ? |
| [06:45:18] | vegeat: | just to make im getting this right, my pvr150 can change the channels on my sa3250? |
| [06:46:22] | xris: | theoretically, yes |
| [06:46:36] | vegeat: | damn you for adding the theoretically part! |
| [06:47:10] | xris: | I've never done it. can't say for sure. |
| [06:47:26] | xris: | I think the pvr-150 comes in various versions with different blasters, too. |
| [06:48:37] | ** vegeat shakes fist ** | |
| [06:48:39] | vegeat: | sad now |
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| [06:53:39] | vegeat: | dang now i am having problems installing ivtv |
| [06:53:39] | vegeat: | lol |
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| [07:11:18] | vegeat: | FATAL: Error inserting ivtv (/lib/modules/2.6.18–1.2869.fc6/updates/drivers/media/video/ivtv.ko): Invalid module format |
| [07:11:21] | xris: | GlemSom: should work fine, but you'll probably get better overall video quality from a real video card (nvidia) |
| [07:11:26] | vegeat: | im getting this error when i run modprobe ivtv |
| [07:11:39] | xris: | vegeat: installed ivtv from packages? |
| [07:11:52] | vegeat: | yeah |
| [07:11:56] | vegeat: | just like the website said |
| [07:12:02] | vegeat: | yum install ivtv-firmware |
| [07:12:11] | vegeat: | then ivtv-kmdl-$KVER |
| [07:12:22] | xris: | vegeat: odd |
| [07:12:33] | GlemSom: | xris, really? I've read several places that people tend to get better quality using the PVR decoder – compared ti regular videocards... But I must admin – I haven't testet it myself |
| [07:12:43] | vegeat: | Linux vegtv 2.6.18–1.2869.fc6 #1 SMP Wed Dec 20 14:51:46 EST 2006 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux |
| [07:14:44] | xris: | GlemSom: hard to compare when the 350 doesn't output HD or anything other than mpeg2 video. |
| [07:14:54] | xris: | GlemSom: but nvidia 5200 and newer is generally considered the best. |
| [07:15:30] | mchou: | GlemSom: well, at least nvidia is less headache to deal than 350 :) |
| [07:16:04] | vegeat: | xris, anything i can do to restart this process? |
| [07:16:09] | xris: | GlemSom: and mythtv is dropping support for the 350's framebuffer |
| [07:16:12] | xris: | vegeat: reboto? |
| [07:16:16] | xris: | reboot, even |
| [07:16:31] | mchou: | xris: you would happen to know if newer gen nvidia have overlay, or is that completely gone now? |
| [07:16:36] | vegeat: | tried that no go |
| [07:16:47] | xris: | mchou: I hear there's a new tech that's supposed to replace it. |
| [07:16:48] | vegeat: | i should just try fc5 |
| [07:17:21] | vegeat: | fuck |
| [07:17:22] | xris: | vegeat: odd. double-checked that you have the correct module version installed |
| [07:17:26] | GlemSom: | xris, dropping the framebuffer support.. but why?! When I just use the PVR on top of X org I can clearly see the picture isn't as good compared to using the ramebuffer support in mythtv... What a bummer :( |
| [07:17:27] | vegeat: | i got the i586 kercenl |
| [07:17:29] | vegeat: | thats why |
| [07:18:10] | mchou: | GlemSom: I believe fb is being dropped cause no devs use 350 :) |
| [07:18:39] | GlemSom: | But the 'less headache' IS really nice.. I just spent a hell of a time figuring out wht my system wouldn't boot... I finaly found the cause was udev trying to load firmware... |
| [07:18:42] | xris: | GlemSom: well, mainly dropping it because no one is maintaining the code and it's half-broken already. but also because the card has an X driver now. |
| [07:19:01] | xris: | vegeat: ahh. fix the kernel, then. :) |
| [07:19:14] | vegeat: | ahh i will |
| [07:19:16] | vegeat: | doing it now |
| [07:19:20] | vegeat: | tahnk god for 10mb internet |
| [07:19:20] | vegeat: | lol |
| [07:19:35] | mchou: | xris: 350 has it's own X driver now? |
| [07:19:43] | xris: | mchou: yup |
| [07:19:59] | xris: | GlemSom: doesn't surprise me. |
| [07:20:16] | xris: | nvidia + anti-flicker is supposed to be just as good or better than the 350, though. |
| [07:20:31] | GlemSom: | But I can imagine it's a hard work to make X throw EVERYTHING into a mpeg2 stream – and send that to the card |
| [07:21:24] | GlemSom: | hmm, maybe I should be looking for a passive cooled nvidia card then... Though, kinda sad since I just bought this card about 1? months ago :P |
| [07:21:47] | mchou: | GlemSom: that's what ebay and craigslist is for :) |
| [07:23:15] | xris: | GlemSom: pvr-350 is kind of a ripoff |
| [07:23:36] | mchou: | xris: well, it's abit pricy, that's for sure |
| [07:23:43] | alsoconfused: | GlemSom: fwiw, i have two GF4-MX440s 1 agp and one pci. they both do very nice tv out at 1024x768. one's passively cooled. |
| [07:24:03] | mchou: | especially compare to 150 & nv 5200 |
| [07:24:24] | GlemSom: | Well, I must say – when one has no experence at all in the HTCP world, a PVR-350 sounds like a good choice since it has both encoder/decoder... But I'm beginning to see the downside of that card aswell... :P |
| [07:25:05] | mchou: | GlemSom: what's your video sorce? Cable, Sat, etc? |
| [07:25:11] | mchou: | source* |
| [07:25:33] | GlemSom: | cable |
| [07:26:14] | mchou: | GlemSom: you live in Denmark? |
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| [07:26:31] | GlemSom: | And I'm still using an old TV... So currently I don't need either vga og dvi outout – but ofcause it would be nice to have when I decide to get a flatscreen sometime |
| [07:26:33] | xris: | GlemSom: most of us here try to dissuade people from the 350.. considering: it's not made anymore, accelerated output only helped back when PCs were in the 500mhz range, configuring it is a huge pain. |
| [07:26:38] | GlemSom: | mchou, yeah, I do :) |
| [07:27:00] | mchou: | GlemSom: they dont get HDTV over cable over there? :) |
| [07:27:33] | GlemSom: | mchou, Nope... They only just relesed digital tv just now... but only on 3 channels.. :P |
| [07:27:49] | GlemSom: | everything is analog here :P hehe |
| [07:28:18] | mchou: | GlemSom: you married, by any chance? |
| [07:28:24] | GlemSom: | Since I have internet over the cable aswell, getting satelite is a bit too expencive for me |
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| [07:28:41] | mchou: | GlemSom: dont worry, I'm not proposing :) |
| [07:28:41] | vegeat: | xris, it works |
| [07:28:43] | vegeat: | haha |
| [07:28:48] | vegeat: | time to continue the walkthrough! |
| [07:28:50] | GlemSom: | mchou, No, not married – but living with someone though |
| [07:28:53] | GlemSom: | haha |
| [07:29:22] | Paladine: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHb5KtVT9Fo <- mythtv related, found it on digg |
| [07:29:23] | vegeat: | ll /dev/video? |
| [07:29:26] | vegeat: | opps |
| [07:29:30] | mchou: | GlemSom: I thought the femaile population was dwindling in .dk |
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| [07:29:57] | mchou: | GlemSom: like I thought .dk was desperate to get women to move there |
| [07:30:12] | GlemSom: | mchou, Not from what I know of :P |
| [07:30:25] | vegeat: | svideo or composite which is better? |
| [07:30:57] | xris: | vegeat: svideo |
| [07:30:59] | mchou: | GlemSom: hmm, maybe I'm getting my countries confused |
| [07:31:00] | xris: | by a hair |
| [07:31:08] | vegeat: | ohh forget it then |
| [07:31:09] | vegeat: | haha |
| [07:31:32] | xris: | vegeat: easy enough to change later if you don't have a cable |
| [07:31:42] | mchou: | GlemSom: but a few danish women told me that the government has "programs" to attact women |
| [07:31:52] | mchou: | attract* |
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| [07:32:00] | braniff: | what kind of programs? |
| [07:32:01] | Fooker: | Hey all. Trying to get mythweb working, but I'm getting a database error that provides no info as to what the problem is (the webpage says just database error, nothing else). Any way to have it put out more info? |
| [07:32:12] | GlemSom: | mchou, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark |
| [07:32:31] | mchou: | braniff: all sorts of programs to encourage women not to leave .dk |
| [07:32:56] | braniff: | interesting |
| [07:33:25] | xris: | Fooker: it usually prints out some sort of detail |
| [07:33:31] | xris: | Fooker: which version of mythtv/mythweb? |
| [07:33:35] | xris: | and how did you install? |
| [07:35:26] | vegeat: | the video capture works |
| [07:35:31] | xris: | vegeat: cool |
| [07:35:46] | xris: | at least you have a backup if your cable co won't nicely enable firewire. |
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| [07:36:29] | mchou: | xris: there are such cablecos? |
| [07:36:44] | xris: | mchou: my comcast has been easy |
| [07:36:56] | mchou: | same here |
| [07:37:22] | vegeat: | wow |
| [07:37:26] | vegeat: | the quality is so grea |
| [07:37:28] | vegeat: | t |
| [07:37:44] | mchou: | xris: havent heard too many complaints able cable cos not enabling firewire recently |
| [07:37:47] | DMJC-L: | uh fiurewire? |
| [07:37:50] | DMJC-L: | HUH? |
| [07:37:53] | DMJC-L: | *firewire? |
| [07:38:08] | DMJC-L: | you saying cable companies will run firewire connections for tv? |
| [07:38:12] | mchou: | DMJC-L: aka ieee1394 :) |
| [07:38:26] | xris: | DMJC-L: hd boxes are required to have working firewire ports if you ask. |
| [07:38:28] | xris: | in the US, that is. |
| [07:38:33] | mchou: | DMJC-L: if you have STB in US, then you get firewire |
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| [07:39:27] | mchou: | vegeat: you using tuner or svideo on your ivtv card? |
| [07:39:31] | vegeat: | when im doing mplayer -vo xv /dev/video0 |
| [07:39:38] | vegeat: | its kind of skippy |
| [07:39:41] | vegeat: | is that normal |
| [07:39:48] | mchou: | vegeat: nope |
| [07:39:49] | vegeat: | im gonna be using svideo mchou |
| [07:39:52] | vegeat: | dan |
| [07:39:53] | vegeat: | g |
| [07:39:59] | vegeat: | i have it at 720x480 |
| [07:40:05] | vegeat: | its a sempron 3000+ with 1.5gb ram |
| [07:40:18] | xris: | vegeat: shouldn't be jumpy. but sounds like you don't have xv enabled |
| [07:40:20] | mchou: | vegeat: definitely not normal |
| [07:40:26] | vegeat: | ahh |
| [07:40:34] | vegeat: | well time to reinstall the nvideo card |
| [07:40:36] | DMJC-L: | wow |
| [07:40:41] | vegeat: | i think the i586 jacked it up |
| [07:41:19] | hello_man: | guys.. what would be the reason that my mythtv doesn't take MCE remote key presses |
| [07:41:36] | GlemSom: | So, to summen it up... Since I have cable (which is just an antenna actually) I need a good tunercard – so since I already have a PVR-350 i should get a PVR-150 card – and then a nvidia card with tvout? |
| [07:42:05] | mchou: | GlemSom: more or less |
| [07:42:32] | mchou: | but if you use tuner I'd recommend against pvr-x50 |
| [07:43:05] | mchou: | GlemSom: cause I think the tuner stage and comb filtering sucks on pvr-x50 |
| [07:43:17] | vegeat: | mchou? are you talking to me? |
| [07:43:25] | mchou: | GlemSom: if you can use svideo with pvr-x50 |
| [07:43:26] | GlemSom: | mchou, ok – what would you recommend then? |
| [07:43:32] | vegeat: | im feeding my 150 with my hd reciever box |
| [07:43:45] | hello_man: | guys .. any help for MCE remote with mythtv |
| [07:43:49] | mchou: | vegeat: no, I want talking to you |
| [07:43:59] | mchou: | vegeat: wasnt* |
| [07:44:21] | mchou: | hello_man: linux ppl dont do windows :) |
| [07:44:25] | xris: | GlemSom: pvr-150 is about as good as you can get for hardware encoding. |
| [07:44:31] | vegeat: | how do i check if xv is installed properly? |
| [07:45:37] | hello_man: | dude.. I am trying to use MCE remote with mythtv. Where does windows come into picture |
| [07:45:43] | mchou: | vegeat: I forget, mplayer should tell you |
| [07:46:00] | xris: | hello_man: huh? |
| [07:46:09] | mchou: | hello_man: dude, you got no sense of humor |
| [07:46:18] | xris: | hello_man: have you installed/configured lirc? |
| [07:46:36] | vegeat: | yeah xvinfo shows its installed |
| [07:46:58] | vegeat: | maybe there is no buffer thats why its kind of laggy |
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| [07:47:40] | xris: | vegeat: shouldn't be, but maybe |
| [07:47:52] | xris: | could always cat to a file and then play the file |
| [07:48:44] | vegeat: | yeah |
| [07:48:47] | vegeat: | when ido that its smooth |
| [07:49:02] | xris: | ok, sounds like you're correct, then |
| [07:49:11] | hello_man: | xris, yes I have lirc installed and lircd.conf file is proper |
| [07:49:18] | xris: | hello_man: and lircrc? |
| [07:49:19] | hello_man: | as when I run irw, i see proper key presses |
| [07:49:36] | vegeat: | okay now here comes the magic |
| [07:49:40] | vegeat: | getting lirc to work |
| [07:49:52] | hello_man: | I have mce lircrc file in .mythtv/lircrc directory and myth is loading it as well |
| [07:50:11] | xris: | hello_man: key names/etc all match up? |
| [07:50:14] | vegeat: | i need to get this lirc to work with my SA3250 |
| [07:50:17] | vegeat: | how do i do that |
| [07:50:18] | vegeat: | lol |
| [07:50:28] | mchou: | vegeat: you dont |
| [07:50:38] | mchou: | vegeat: use firewire if you can :) |
| [07:50:52] | mchou: | vegeat: way better |
| [07:50:57] | vegeat: | i cannot |
| [07:51:01] | vegeat: | charter gave me theports |
| [07:51:05] | vegeat: | but they are disabled |
| [07:51:06] | vegeat: | :( |
| [07:51:18] | mchou: | vegeat: ask them to enable them |
| [07:51:19] | hello_man: | xris: I am using this config file http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . mple.mceusb2 |
| [07:51:19] | xris: | mchou: he's already tried |
| [07:51:23] | vegeat: | can they do that over th ephone |
| [07:51:33] | mchou: | vegeat: maybe |
| [07:51:43] | xris: | hello_man: you have the mceusb2 remote? |
| [07:51:46] | mchou: | but they most likely will send over a tech |
| [07:51:54] | vegeat: | wtf? |
| [07:52:03] | hello_man: | yes |
| [07:52:11] | xris: | vegeat: or ask that you exchange the box for another (if it requires some hardware switch to enable) |
| [07:52:19] | mchou: | vegeat: or you can just go down to the office yourself with the SA3250 |
| [07:52:23] | vegeat: | took me half the day |
| [07:52:26] | vegeat: | to get a box with firewire |
| [07:52:27] | vegeat: | lol |
| [07:52:35] | xris: | hello_man: made the appropriate key changes in mythtv's settings? |
| [07:52:37] | hello_man: | xris, my mce reciver is mceusb2 (philips) one byut remote is older |
| [07:52:45] | mchou: | vegeat: that's only if you wait for the cable guy :) |
| [07:52:56] | xris: | hello_man: the names of the remote's buttons may not line up with that config file |
| [07:53:07] | mchou: | vegeat: go down to the office ant you wont have to wait 4+hrs |
| [07:53:14] | mchou: | and* |
| [07:53:18] | vegeat: | but is it possible to get the pvr150 to change the channels on ths box |
| [07:53:26] | hello_man: | xris: when I press down, irw displays Down mceusb etc. |
| [07:53:33] | hello_man: | and int he config file, its Down onlu |
| [07:53:47] | mchou: | vegeat: sure it's possible, but you wouldnt want to :) |
| [07:53:50] | xris: | hello_man: sounds like it's configured properly, then. |
| [07:54:03] | hello_man: | but myth still doesn't respond |
| [07:54:23] | hello_man: | another question, I launch mythtv by mythfrontend but n the config file its mythtv |
| [07:56:34] | xris: | hello_man: repeat with real grammar? |
| [07:57:07] | alsoconfused: | hello_man: ircat --config=/home/someone/.mythtv/lircrc mythtv |
| [07:57:29] | hello_man: | in the config file, the prog = mythtv. is that correct? as I launch the myth frontend by mythfrontend |
| [07:58:02] | hello_man: | alsoconfused: what is that for? |
| [07:58:26] | xris: | hello_man: could use -v all and see if it gives you any messages. |
| [07:58:45] | hello_man: | xris: -v where? |
| [07:58:49] | alsoconfused: | hello_man: it will show you how the lirc KEYS translate to myth keys |
| [07:59:02] | xris: | mythfrontend -v all |
| [07:59:06] | braniff: | what is the mythtv input name of the coax input on the pvr150 ? |
| [07:59:13] | braniff: | for mythtvsetup |
| [07:59:26] | xris: | braniff: usually /dev/video0, though it depends on your card setup |
| [08:00:41] | braniff: | oh i meant from the choices: (Tuner 1, S-video1, composite 1, svideo2 and composite 2) |
| [08:00:56] | braniff: | i chose tuner 1 and that did not work |
| [08:01:34] | braniff: | i have chosen composite 1, but mythtv won't let me watch tv to test it, because a rerun of mythfilldatabase is required |
| [08:02:40] | vegeat: | okay |
| [08:02:46] | vegeat: | i got my remote setup |
| [08:02:54] | vegeat: | now how do i get it talking to my hd reciever |
| [08:04:45] | ** braniff reruns mythfilldatabase ** | |
| [08:07:49] | xris: | braniff: probably tuner1, since the others are not what you're probably referring to by "coax" |
| [08:08:17] | xris: | (I'm going to assume you mean the RF connector and not the composite connector, which is the yellow RCA plug and is also a coaxial wire) |
| [08:08:55] | braniff: | i'm not an audio/video expert, but i mean the cable you have to screw onto the pvr150 |
| [08:09:12] | braniff: | the threaded connector |
| [08:10:18] | braniff: | i threaded my cable onto the 150 and chose Tuner 1, but all i got was static |
| [08:11:26] | braniff: | now i went back into mythtvsetup and chose Composite 1. I wanted to test it immediately, but mythbacked errored out, saying it didn't have any channel information |
| [08:11:42] | braniff: | so now i'm running mythfilldatabase |
| [08:13:19] | xris: | braniff: that's the rf connector. |
| [08:13:41] | xris: | braniff: unless you configured a listings source for it, it'll give the same error. |
| [08:14:11] | braniff: | hmm |
| [08:14:15] | xris: | should be able to share listings data between both things. just need to make sure you have a channel-changer script defined for the composite port since there are no channels there (no tuner) |
| [08:14:29] | braniff: | i had a listings source configured, but all i got was static |
| [08:17:20] | vegeat: | man i cant find any solid faqs on how to set up the pvrs ir to change my sa3250 channel |
| [08:18:38] | braniff: | vegeat, http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=24 |
| [08:18:47] | braniff: | i just got finished doing that |
| [08:19:06] | braniff: | with a different cable box, but it's all the same |
| [08:19:14] | vegeat: | you have a pvr 150? |
| [08:19:18] | braniff: | yes |
| [08:19:27] | vegeat: | and you bought no additional parts |
| [08:19:32] | braniff: | right |
| [08:19:34] | vegeat: | to get this going |
| [08:19:35] | vegeat: | ohh man |
| [08:19:37] | vegeat: | orgasm |
| [08:19:38] | vegeat: | lol |
| [08:19:54] | ** braniff suddenly feels uncomfortable...heh ** | |
| [08:20:31] | vegeat: | wait |
| [08:20:37] | vegeat: | you need to use that prepatched version? |
| [08:20:43] | braniff: | yeah |
| [08:20:50] | vegeat: | dang |
| [08:20:54] | vegeat: | i already installed .82 |
| [08:21:06] | vegeat: | should i uninstall that? |
| [08:21:28] | braniff: | i just followed the guide and installed over what was there |
| [08:21:41] | braniff: | now it works — changes channels anyway |
| [08:23:12] | vegeat: | i have no dialog? |
| [08:23:31] | braniff: | haha — "dialog" is a package |
| [08:23:40] | braniff: | yum install dialog |
| [08:23:47] | braniff: | or apt-get install dialog |
| [08:23:49] | vegeat: | i knew that |
| [08:23:49] | vegeat: | lol |
| [08:24:50] | The_Ball: | anybody know anything about this: "[mpegts @ 0x2b3aa0]Parser not found for |
| [08:24:50] | The_Ball: | Codec Id: 94211 !" transcoding does not work. This is from a dvb-t stream, everything else works very well, but no transcoding |
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| [08:26:22] | gnuyen: | I just setup a PCHDTV 5500 |
| [08:26:27] | gnuyen: | for broadcast stuff |
| [08:26:47] | gnuyen: | and it downloads guide data but nothing shows up next to the channels |
| [08:27:40] | vegeat: | damn it now i need to have the kernel sources installed |
| [08:29:29] | gnuyen: | It just says "Unknown(Unknown) |
| [08:30:17] | adante: | man |
| [08:30:46] | braniff: | vegeat, that's just the start of your journey. 2.5 hours for me to get my pvr150 ir blaster to change my channels |
| [08:31:12] | alsoconfused: | gnuyen: have you looked at your "input connections"? |
| [08:31:37] | gnuyen: | yes |
| [08:31:41] | gnuyen: | it's setup to the right guide data |
| [08:31:47] | vegeat: | damn you! |
| [08:31:49] | gnuyen: | i think i'm going to delete my other ones |
| [08:32:18] | braniff: | heh |
| [08:35:08] | braniff: | what could make LiveTV show nothing but static ? |
| [08:37:38] | alsoconfused: | braniff: wrong tuner type? wrong frequency table? |
| [08:38:36] | ** braniff checks those.. ** | |
| [08:40:40] | braniff: | i will see if xawtv shows static |
| [08:45:15] | braniff: | xawtv doesn't work either |
| [08:45:52] | braniff: | seems like there is some other program to watch tv to troubleshoot this kind of thing....what is the other program? |
| [08:53:48] | vegeat: | argh |
| [08:53:52] | vegeat: | im gonna break this thing |
| [08:58:14] | vegeat: | dang i get lircd dead subsyslock |
| [08:58:25] | alsoconfused: | braniff: pvr-150, right? |
| [08:58:56] | braniff: | alsoconfused, yes |
| [08:59:40] | alsoconfused: | you should be able to tune a channel with ivtv-tune then mplayer /dev/video0 |
| [09:00:30] | braniff: | i'll try that |
| [09:02:38] | vegeat: | braniff, i am trying to use thatsend power now |
| [09:02:45] | vegeat: | buti getirsend command failed |
| [09:02:52] | vegeat: | unknown remote blaster |
| [09:03:28] | braniff: | need to download that guy's lircd.conf and put it in /etc/lircd.conf |
| [09:03:35] | braniff: | it has remote definitions |
| [09:03:47] | braniff: | and then restart lircd |
| [09:06:20] | braniff: | alsoconfused, i can play /dev/video0, but the picture is weird...it has three repeats of the signal across the top of the screen and static on the bottom |
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| [09:07:00] | alsoconfused: | braniff: try using ivtvctl to set PAL/NTSC/SECAM |
| [09:10:03] | vegeat: | man i put that conf in there |
| [09:13:23] | vegeat: | okay |
| [09:13:29] | vegeat: | finally i got this thing going |
| [09:13:37] | vegeat: | where do i put the ir thing in relation tothe box |
| [09:14:45] | xris: | vegeat: near the front |
| [09:16:35] | vegeat: | thus ends the mystery of the universe |
| [09:16:36] | vegeat: | lol |
| [09:19:41] | braniff: | hmm...i am able to set the 150 to put out ntsc-m, but this still gives 3 repeat signals at the top and static at the bottom |
| [09:19:59] | ** braniff is confused now ** | |
| [09:20:12] | alsoconfused: | hmm |
| [09:20:21] | xris: | braniff: 150 doesn't output |
| [09:20:43] | vegeat: | dang |
| [09:20:49] | vegeat: | i cant get it to turn off |
| [09:21:07] | braniff: | xris, i mean "# cat /dev/video0 > ~/test.mpg; xine ~/test.mpg" |
| [09:21:09] | vegeat: | i had my had hold the ir thing infront |
| [09:21:14] | vegeat: | and ran the irsend command |
| [09:21:25] | xris: | braniff: ah. how much static? |
| [09:21:50] | xris: | vegeat: does it have a visible led in the xmitter? |
| [09:21:51] | braniff: | bottom left is a square of static |
| [09:21:56] | xris: | braniff: weird |
| [09:22:05] | vegeat: | yup |
| [09:22:17] | alsoconfused: | braniff: you're sure that ntsc-m is correct for your source? |
| [09:22:48] | braniff: | alsoconfused, it's time-warner digital cable in the united states... |
| [09:23:11] | xris: | braniff: no firewire? |
| [09:23:31] | braniff: | on the cable box? |
| [09:23:43] | xris: | yeah |
| [09:23:47] | vegeat: | argh!! |
| [09:23:59] | alsoconfused: | braniff: i think you want plain ntsc |
| [09:24:13] | vegeat: | i guess ill runthat send power script again |
| [09:24:46] | braniff: | nope, no firewire |
| [09:25:08] | braniff: | alsoconfused, ok i'll try that |
| [09:26:22] | braniff: | mostly the same output, but box of static is a little smaller |
| [09:26:26] | vegeat: | dang |
| [09:26:31] | vegeat: | where do i put this ir thing |
| [09:26:32] | vegeat: | lol |
| [09:26:59] | xris: | braniff: not worth the upgrade? |
| [09:27:34] | braniff: | heh no |
| [09:27:45] | braniff: | well maybe, i was running like 0.18 |
| [09:27:57] | alsoconfused: | braniff: what did you use for a frequency table? |
| [09:28:14] | braniff: | us-bcast |
| [09:28:26] | braniff: | that's what my tv uses and it works |
| [09:28:52] | alsoconfused: | sounds wrong to me, but i don't know about time warner |
| [09:29:28] | braniff: | it's digital cable, so the cable box outputs on us-bcast 3 |
| [09:29:57] | alsoconfused: | braniff: you're using an rf link from cable box to pvr ? |
| [09:30:02] | braniff: | yes |
| [09:30:11] | alsoconfused: | ugh, why? |
| [09:30:32] | braniff: | my lame cable box has no s-video output! |
| [09:30:59] | alsoconfused: | no composite even? |
| [09:31:09] | braniff: | lemme check... |
| [09:35:09] | braniff: | though not clearly marked as "in" or "out", there is a composite video jack |
| [09:35:24] | braniff: | i have hooked it to the pvr150 composite input |
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| [09:35:34] | vegeat: | lol |
| [09:35:37] | vegeat: | i found the sweet spot |
| [09:35:39] | vegeat: | now to tape |
| [09:35:53] | GlemSom: | Anyone know of any 'auto-fine-tune' scripts for ivtv? |
| [09:36:46] | alsoconfused: | braniff: you'll need audio cables too |
| [09:37:03] | braniff: | right |
| [09:41:13] | braniff: | incredibly, composite input from the cable box looks the same as the rf input |
| [09:41:41] | alsoconfused: | at least tuning is ruled out |
| [09:42:09] | vegeat: | I FOUND IT |
| [09:42:12] | vegeat: | ORGASM!! |
| [09:42:17] | xris: | braniff: low quality analog cable |
| [09:42:22] | vegeat: | ORGASM!! |
| [09:42:49] | Aurelius: | composite isn't guaranteed to be better than the broadband coax |
| [09:44:26] | vegeat: | im happy now |
| [09:44:26] | alsoconfused: | braniff: so you still have a broken picture, or just less than ideal? |
| [09:44:36] | braniff: | unwatchable |
| [09:44:49] | juski: | time to junk the cable box then |
| [09:45:03] | braniff: | i was just thinking the same thing |
| [09:45:19] | alsoconfused: | braniff: do you have a dvd player you can plug in? |
| [09:45:42] | jduggan: | juski: hi |
| [09:45:52] | jduggan: | juski: i had my ntl cable isntalled in the week... its only got RF and scart out |
| [09:46:00] | jduggan: | not even rca for my audio setup |
| [09:46:02] | braniff: | alsoconfused, actually no (i watch dvds on my laptop) |
| [09:46:08] | vegeat: | hey braniff, what do you have in your modprobe.conf? |
| [09:46:13] | jduggan: | no svideo and no component |
| [09:46:19] | jduggan: | erm, composite |
| [09:46:19] | juski: | jduggan: you'll have to use the 'vcr' scart output then |
| [09:46:42] | alsoconfused: | braniff: did you disconnect the rf when you hooked up composite? |
| [09:46:50] | jduggan: | juski: how will that help? |
| [09:47:08] | juski: | jduggan: you get stereo audio & composite out of the vcr scart output |
| [09:47:12] | braniff: | alsoconfused, heh no |
| [09:47:21] | braniff: | that would have been a good idea though |
| [09:47:23] | jduggan: | juski: ah, with an adapter |
| [09:47:30] | ** braniff does that now ** | |
| [09:47:31] | juski: | jduggan: or a cable |
| [09:48:06] | jduggan: | yea i got one somewhere i think |
| [09:49:27] | alsoconfused: | braniff: use ivtvctl -n, then use ivtvctl -p to select the composite input |
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| [09:50:28] | juski: | we're thinking of cancelling our ntl TV.. the STB is ridiculous now |
| [09:51:02] | juski: | sometimes it hangs & can't change channels |
| [09:51:07] | braniff: | i actually have a newer version of ivtv — so it's v4l2-ctl --set-input...i have done that now and tested the results ::> still the same |
| [09:51:34] | juski: | braniff: does the composite output of the cable box look ok direct into a TV? |
| [09:51:41] | jduggan: | juski: ic.. they're osd is pretty shitty compared to $ky's.. but they got that on demand stuff which is useful.. like if i miss eastenders :) |
| [09:51:53] | ** braniff checks that ** | |
| [09:51:59] | juski: | jduggan: with mythtv how do you miss stuff like that? |
| [09:52:10] | juski: | ondemand only crashes our box |
| [09:52:16] | juski: | as does interactive |
| [09:52:24] | juski: | as does looking at it too hard I think |
| [09:52:24] | jduggan: | juski: nod, was just about to say, i wont need on demand as soon as i got mythbackend working again |
| [09:52:55] | braniff: | juski, direct to a tv it looks great |
| [09:53:16] | juski: | the other day someone told me ntl are giving away free wireless routers. it's not true – it's only Telewest who are doing that |
| [09:53:54] | jduggan: | ic |
| [09:53:58] | alsoconfused: | braniff: i've seen the ivtv driver get hosed when fed very bad signals. maybe worth reloading the modules or rebooting even. |
| [09:53:58] | juski: | I'd settle for a STB which isn't just spiffy when you first get it.. i.e. one that survives their software 'improvements' |
| [09:54:26] | jduggan: | juski: do they isntall new firmware on the fly? or do you approve a firmware upgrade? |
| [09:54:28] | ** braniff reboots ** | |
| [09:54:55] | juski: | jduggan: they send a command to the box to look for new software |
| [09:55:39] | juski: | if it wasn't illegal I'd get a dreambox & use that instead |
| [09:55:56] | jduggan: | i just bought a barebones shuttle xpc for a frontend waitin to build a decent backend before i setup myth again, im kinda happy with our freeview now, although i might roof mount the aerial just to iron out a few minor blips i get |
| [09:56:12] | braniff: | my issue seems more and more like an ivtv issue |
| [09:56:42] | juski: | braniff: show us a screenshot of the picture |
| [09:56:49] | vegeat: | braniff, how does mythtv know how to change the channel to the ir blaster? |
| [09:57:13] | braniff: | juski, know a good place to post screenshots? |
| [09:57:31] | juski: | vegeat: YOU configure mythtv.. it doesn't find out much by itself |
| [09:57:34] | jduggan: | ... |
| [09:57:40] | juski: | braniff: imageshack |
| [09:57:44] | braniff: | ok |
| [09:58:01] | vegeat: | where do i configure that part is my second question |
| [09:58:03] | juski: | jduggan: is that gonna be quiet? |
| [09:58:14] | juski: | vegeat: read the wiki, for one thing |
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| [09:58:50] | juski: | vegeat: channel changing is always done by an external command (except in the case of firewire). you configure which command to use in mythtv-setup |
| [09:59:18] | jduggan: | juski: yea its quiet enough.. it would probably annoy if you were tryin to read in the same room in silence, but you cant hear it over a normal volumed tv |
| [09:59:20] | juski: | then mythtv passes the freqid of the channel to the external command. hey presto! |
| [09:59:25] | xris: | juski: until someone nice like me comes along and tries to figure out how to connect callsigns with lyngsat channel names. |
| [10:00:12] | juski: | xris: heh. it's not a mind-reader, that's all I'm saying ;) |
| [10:00:22] | awilkins: | I don't run mine with a WM |
| [10:00:22] | xris: | yes |
| [10:00:46] | awilkins: | Oops, respnding to a comment at 0252 |
| [10:00:50] | ** xris dreads figuring out how to attach 1658 callsigns to lyngsat channel names ** | |
| [10:00:51] | juski: | awilkins: I don't run mine underwater, but what does that have to do with anything? |
| [10:01:12] | chris_: | will the little asx (I'd assume stream) icon in the svn version of mythweb replace mythstream? if so... does it work? I've tried on mine but media player just keeps saying "connecting" |
| [10:01:15] | awilkins: | Had my window backscrolled quite a bit |
| [10:01:24] | juski: | what are callsigns anyway? a deprecated means of identifying channels? |
| [10:02:33] | juski: | uk stuff tries to configure callsigns & I'm dead against it cos we don't have em here |
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| [10:02:53] | xris: | deprecated? |
| [10:03:04] | xris: | callsign is how the regulatory entity identifies stations |
| [10:03:07] | juski: | they're still used?! |
| [10:03:09] | juski: | wow |
| [10:03:31] | xris: | radio and tv here all use them. sort of like a record_id for the FCC |
| [10:04:14] | juski: | there are only station names here |
| [10:04:52] | juski: | xris: I'm not sure how "Paramount Comedy +1" would be a callsign |
| [10:05:01] | vegeat: | does modprobe.conf get read first before servicesstart? |
| [10:05:15] | juski: | and other than making it 1pt text, no idea how to fit it on the blinking OSD |
| [10:05:25] | xris: | juski: you get your stuff from xmltv, right? |
| [10:05:36] | juski: | aye |
| [10:06:09] | alsoconfused: | vegeat: modprobe.conf is read everytime modprobe runs |
| [10:06:21] | vegeat: | ahh |
| [10:07:08] | Aurelius: | juski: are you talking aobut satellite stations? |
| [10:07:13] | Aurelius: | cable stations? |
| [10:07:15] | vegeat: | http://www.pastebin.ca/316165 |
| [10:07:16] | Aurelius: | or over the air? |
| [10:07:19] | chris_: | does anyone know if mythweb comes standard with streaming in the svn version, or where I may find the info? google just comes up with mythstream stuff from november. |
| [10:07:26] | juski: | Aurelius: all of the above |
| [10:07:27] | vegeat: | is this the correct way to load up the modules to make ir blaster work |
| [10:07:39] | juski: | we don't have callsigns in the UK, as such |
| [10:07:49] | Aurelius: | there are callsigns for most stations, but identification requirements are somewhat different |
| [10:07:58] | juski: | whatever area you're in BBC channels are just called by their names |
| [10:08:17] | xris: | chris_: mythstreamtv is not part of the official distribution. svn mythweb *does* stream, but no transcoding on the fly |
| [10:08:37] | chris_: | ok thanks.... |
| [10:08:58] | chris_: | will the asx icon eventually do something? |
| [10:09:22] | xris: | chris_: it sends an asx |
| [10:09:26] | chris_: | or do I have to manually keep an asx copy of the recording |
| [10:09:32] | xris: | juski: can you pastebin me the output from select callsign, channame from channel; ? |
| [10:10:04] | juski: | xris: essentially both columns will be the same on my box |
| [10:10:13] | xris: | juski: ok, good enough, thx |
| [10:11:29] | xris: | chris_: asx doesn't work if you use https (or authentication if you haven't pulled the latest apache conf) |
| [10:11:44] | juski: | xris http://www.pastebin.ca/316167 |
| [10:12:14] | juski: | any blips in there where the name doesn't match the callsign are my fault for not updating the table. Men & motors hasn't been on Freeview for ages |
| [10:12:15] | xris: | juski: thx |
| [10:12:38] | xris: | would like to get this channel icon stuff straightened out |
| [10:12:59] | juski: | and you'll note that there are no shopping/quiz channels in there ;) |
| [10:13:59] | jduggan: | i doubt anyone adds shopping or quiz channels to their mythtv setup |
| [10:14:00] | jduggan: | :) |
| [10:14:25] | ** xris restarts the lyngsat spider for like the 8th time tonight ** | |
| [10:14:31] | juski: | jduggan: wanna bet? |
| [10:14:54] | jduggan: | juski: heh, actually, no :) |
| [10:15:00] | jduggan: | im there there's a few |
| [10:15:17] | jduggan: | but probably because their partners want it if they're allowed to integrate mythtv |
| [10:15:31] | juski: | Ewrongpartnerforlife! |
| [10:15:45] | jduggan: | nod |
| [10:16:08] | juski: | my wife watches all kinds of shite on ITV, but not 'the mint' etc so I count my blessings |
| [10:16:59] | juski: | or 'the prole channel' as I sometimes call it |
| [10:17:11] | juski: | soma-vision |
| [10:17:58] | jduggan: | my gf tends to just watch the bbc/itv/channel4/5 and trouble |
| [10:18:11] | jduggan: | lol |
| [10:19:08] | jduggan: | i like they way they call celebrity big brother 'celebrity' when the only real famous person on there is jermaine jackson |
| [10:19:35] | juski: | mate at work asks me this every day.. "did you watch celeb big brother last night?" and I always answer "do I have fresh scars on my forehead?" |
| [10:19:46] | jduggan: | heh |
| [10:20:23] | ** xris should go to sleep ** | |
| [10:20:51] | xris: | wonder what would happen if I posted this channel list to the wiki, if people would update things. |
| [10:21:13] | juski: | xris: maybe it's a good thing it has full revision history ;) |
| [10:21:27] | xris: | just too many damn channels |
| [10:21:31] | juski: | I wouldn't object to spending a few minutes updating it |
| [10:21:39] | juski: | xris: maybe have per-country lists? |
| [10:21:44] | xris: | switching from the xmltv format to lyngsat would be a pain |
| [10:21:52] | xris: | juski: wish I could. lyngsat kind of just lists everything |
| [10:22:11] | juski: | I already have a uk channel to lyngsat table which is pretty much complete |
| [10:22:12] | xris: | thousands of them |
| [10:22:31] | xris: | send it over. it'll give me a start |
| [10:22:51] | juski: | xris: it's on the ticket for the 'uk icon grabber' stuarta submitted into trac |
| [10:23:02] | xris: | ah, cool |
| [10:23:43] | xris: | I don't see it |
| [10:23:50] | juski: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . xt?rev=11822 |
| [10:24:16] | xris: | ah, checked in |
| [10:24:27] | juski: | checked in? ooo! |
| [10:24:35] | juski: | oh yeah. duh |
| [10:24:42] | ** juski tries to wake up ** | |
| [10:25:19] | xris: | cool. I'll parse this into the db, too |
| [10:26:02] | juski: | stitched together by my fair hand & some perl-fu originally |
| [10:26:06] | xris: | heh |
| [10:26:25] | xris: | missing "VH1 UK" |
| [10:26:34] | juski: | is it? |
| [10:26:44] | xris: | lyngsat has 8978 stations |
| [10:26:47] | xris: | that's a LOT |
| [10:27:01] | juski: | VH1|http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/logo/tv/vv/vh1.jpg |
| [10:27:19] | xris: | yeah. but not "VH1 UK" |
| [10:27:20] | juski: | it's not called 'VH1 UK" as far as I know, just VH1 |
| [10:27:30] | xris: | which is what your station list says |
| [10:28:06] | juski: | last time I looked on lyngsat I noticed whoknows how many channels that aren't really channels |
| [10:28:26] | juski: | plus they have corporate channels on there.. I don't see the point of that |
| [10:30:39] | xris: | dunno |
| [10:31:17] | juski: | my list looks more or less complete as far as watchable uk channels go – by that I mean ones that are available to the public |
| [10:32:01] | xris: | I just need to mesh those callsigns (er, station names) up with the lyngsat info |
| [10:32:05] | juski: | oh wait.. |
| [10:32:43] | juski: | xris: I can put together a better list. I forgot about all the 'minority' channels that $ky carry |
| [10:33:07] | ** juski goes to look for a full $ky channel list ** | |
| [10:33:12] | xris: | well, it's MUCH more helpful if you tie it to the new db I'm building |
| [10:33:53] | juski: | which goes by ...? |
| [10:34:17] | xris: | random row id |
| [10:34:34] | xris: | shema is (id, name, lyng_id, icon, logo) |
| [10:34:58] | juski: | what's the diff. between icon & logo? |
| [10:35:00] | xris: | lyng_id is the random number they put after the large icons. it's not unique, but seems to be the only way to catch different stations with identical names. |
| [10:35:09] | juski: | ah |
| [10:35:09] | xris: | icon is small gif, logo is larger jpg |
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| [10:35:28] | xris: | but there are things like "playboy tv" which is the name for both the US and the UK version |
| [10:35:30] | juski: | jees $ky have close to 1000 TV channels |
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| [10:36:48] | juski: | 664Golf Pro-Shop |
| [10:36:58] | juski: | a golf... shopping channel. ffs |
| [10:37:39] | xris: | lol |
| [10:38:24] | chris_: | I know.... |
| [10:38:47] | pat_: | juski, with that netbooting and minimyth, what is the minimum ram you'd recommend? |
| [10:38:49] | xris: | well, you seem to indicate that you're trying to install it in mythweb. |
| [10:38:51] | chris_: | but can I make asx work with mythweb + auth |
| [10:38:54] | xris: | mythstream goes in the frontend. |
| [10:39:05] | juski: | pat_: 512MB |
| [10:39:08] | xris: | chris_: yes. but you need to use the recent changes I put into the apache conf file in svn |
| [10:39:13] | pat_: | juski: ta |
| [10:39:15] | xris: | basically disables auth for specific URLs |
| [10:39:29] | chris_: | ok is it in the contrib dir? |
| [10:40:27] | juski: | xris: I'll see what I can do. I need to start chipping away at my automagical configurator wizard-type gizmo this year sometime too |
| [10:40:58] | xris: | chris_: no, it's in the mythweb dir |
| [10:41:02] | xris: | replaces htaccess |
| [10:41:18] | xris: | if you're running svn, you would have noticed, since it destroyed any existing htaccess file |
| [10:41:41] | chris_: | ok... I'll go have a look thanks for the help... |
| [10:41:57] | chris_: | I copied out my old one and replaced it :) |
| [10:42:00] | chris_: | whoops |
| [10:42:24] | chris_: | I'll go fix that now.... |
| [10:42:31] | chris_: | thanks again |
| [10:43:14] | xris: | chris_: lots of info in the new INSTALL file |
| [10:43:23] | adante: | hi, my recordings seems to defaulting to do-not-autoexpire.. the AutoExpireDefault value in the settings is 1, is there somewhere else where this might be disabled? |
| [10:43:38] | adante: | not disabled but make it default to off? |
| [10:44:35] | xris: | adante: that setting won't affect pre-existing recording profiles |
| [10:45:01] | chris_: | ok I installed the plugins from work, ran out of time compiling. god I love screen |
| [10:45:21] | chris_: | just wanted to get it over with |
| [10:45:41] | chris_: | and copied the mythweb files to the old dir :) |
| [10:46:17] | chris_: | I'll re-read the mythweb files |
| [10:46:47] | xris: | there are a LOT of changes in svn. |
| [10:46:48] | adante: | xris: ok, but it is current set to 1, and any recording i schedule now defaults to it being disabled (ie it does NOT auto-expire by default) |
| [10:46:57] | xris: | and a lot of brokenness... only default template/skin work |
| [10:54:14] | xris: | juski: your channels have xmltvid fields? |
| [10:55:53] | juski: | xris: yeah, but.. ahhh that's what I did. I only made that list for channels covered by xmltv |
| [10:56:10] | xris: | ah |
| [10:56:13] | xris: | makes sense |
| [10:56:30] | juski: | I do so much it's hard to remember everything ;) |
| [10:57:24] | xris: | I know the feeling |
| [10:58:11] | juski: | pity there's not a list of 'I'd love to help but I can't code' people we could delegate |
| [10:58:36] | juski: | now there's an idea... |
| [10:58:46] | juski: | wiki pages.. "help wanted" |
| [10:58:49] | awilkins: | I like to help, I can code, but my C++ is crap |
| [10:59:02] | awilkins: | I can read it and guess what certain bugs are.... |
| [10:59:36] | juski: | putting 2 & 2 together for an icon map database isn't too strenuous |
| [10:59:49] | juski: | laborious yes, not strenuous |
| [11:01:09] | xris: | juski: ok, new iconmap stuff just checked in |
| [11:04:43] | ** awilkins blats a jobqueue of 143 lines into his database with a INSERT INTO ... SELECT FROM ** | |
| [11:04:57] | awilkins: | There, that should help my disk space troubles. |
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| [11:14:17] | awilkins: | what happened to the feature that told you the file sizes before and after transcoding, I liked that. |
| [11:21:31] | juski: | wasn't aware there ever was one |
| [11:21:52] | juski: | course the other solution is just to keep less |
| [11:22:51] | juski: | it'd be nice if I could see how many GB mythtv has recorded since I started using it. I bet it's a hell of a lot |
| [11:23:59] | The_Tick: | are there alerts if your disk is at say, 10% full? |
| [11:24:02] | The_Tick: | or 20%? |
| [11:24:05] | The_Tick: | in the ui somewhere |
| [11:24:06] | juski: | nope |
| [11:24:11] | The_Tick: | that'd be the nice bit |
| [11:24:23] | The_Tick: | like in mythweb somewhere |
| [11:24:41] | The_Tick: | I'm wondering if I can get myth to stream to an apple tv unit |
| [11:24:46] | juski: | the status screens show you how much is available |
| [11:24:54] | The_Tick: | or maybe just setup a daap server for that |
| [11:25:05] | juski: | The_Tick: if they support upnp, likely |
| [11:25:39] | juski: | and even if they support upnp & it doesn't work with myth it might not be much work to make it work |
| [11:26:02] | The_Tick: | hrmm |
| [11:26:08] | The_Tick: | I'm not sure what upnp has to do with it |
| [11:26:17] | The_Tick: | isn't that for punching through a firewall? |
| [11:26:31] | juski: | myth's upnp server makes a list of media available to suitable players |
| [11:26:39] | The_Tick: | ooh |
| [11:26:56] | juski: | upnp av extensions IIRC |
| [11:27:22] | juski: | already works with Nero ShowTime & a few 'network media player' boxes |
| [11:28:06] | The_Tick: | I'll have to buy a myth dev a device then |
| [11:28:18] | The_Tick: | this one has hdmi |
| [11:28:30] | The_Tick: | so streaming hd to it would be super easy |
| [11:28:36] | The_Tick: | and nice |
| [11:28:45] | ** The_Tick looks for other network devices with hdmi ** | |
| [11:29:30] | juski: | The_Tick: you wouldn't necessarily have to buy a dev one either – just help get it worky by providing network captures |
| [11:29:48] | The_Tick: | that'd do |
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| [11:30:02] | The_Tick: | I'm going to setup some donations stuff for perian tomorrow |
| [11:30:11] | The_Tick: | hopefully all the mac users will donate |
| [11:30:14] | The_Tick: | if they do, get itv |
| [11:30:15] | juski: | or it might just work out of the box... nobody will know til somebody gets one |
| [11:30:20] | The_Tick: | make it work with perian, make it work with myth |
| [11:30:37] | juski: | big stickler for some will be that it won't play 1080 content |
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| [11:31:04] | The_Tick: | hrmph, didn't see that |
| [11:31:16] | ** The_Tick looks at tech specs ** | |
| [11:31:44] | The_Tick: | hrmph |
| [11:31:53] | The_Tick: | well doesn't that suck |
| [11:32:02] | The_Tick: | oh well, my tv doesn't do 1080 |
| [11:32:50] | juski: | I don't think it'll even play 1080 content at 720 though |
| [11:33:21] | juski: | best wait for the next version to come along |
| [11:34:21] | The_Tick: | perhaps |
| [11:34:31] | The_Tick: | we'll get enough requests on perian that it likely won't matter |
| [11:35:21] | juski: | I'm quite looking forward to seeing more like this: http://www.evesham.com/products/info.asp?e=04 . . . 60F9D93E4188 |
| [11:37:01] | juski: | what's perian anyway? |
| [11:38:15] | The_Tick: | oh, right |
| [11:38:21] | The_Tick: | it's a quicktime component for os x |
| [11:38:28] | juski: | looks like just an extension to quicktime. doesn't quicktime already play mpeg2? |
| [11:38:32] | The_Tick: | to allow multiple formats play in any app that is quicktime compatible |
| [11:38:42] | The_Tick: | only with a 20 dollar component from apple |
| [11:38:48] | The_Tick: | and that doesn't cover divx or xvid even |
| [11:38:59] | The_Tick: | but if you wanted to use, say, front row |
| [11:39:02] | The_Tick: | to play mkv |
| [11:39:07] | The_Tick: | you'll be able to with the 1.0 |
| [11:39:14] | juski: | ah |
| [11:39:32] | The_Tick: | right now we just wrap ffmpeg |
| [11:39:38] | The_Tick: | but we're going to have other stuff |
| [11:40:24] | juski: | I wish mythfrontend would look & act more like frontrow, but that's all I'm capable of doing with regard to that.. wish |
| [11:40:50] | The_Tick: | do something about it |
| [11:41:08] | The_Tick: | if I could use a mac mini |
| [11:41:15] | juski: | it'd be easier to write a whole new frontend |
| [11:41:16] | The_Tick: | and at the bottom of front row was a myth option |
| [11:41:20] | The_Tick: | that'd be cool |
| [11:41:24] | juski: | and that could never be made official |
| [11:41:26] | The_Tick: | so write a whole new frontend |
| [11:41:56] | juski: | easier said than done |
| [11:42:06] | The_Tick: | the journey starts with a small step |
| [11:42:10] | The_Tick: | :) |
| [11:42:16] | The_Tick: | I know my coworker would love it |
| [11:42:18] | The_Tick: | so would his wife |
| [11:42:21] | juski: | I'll stick to my themes I think |
| [11:42:27] | The_Tick: | I convinced them to go myth and I haven't even |
| [11:42:52] | The_Tick: | had no reason to until today |
| [11:42:52] | juski: | I dunno about the flashy gui & whether or not all that fancy animation slows you down though |
| [11:42:55] | The_Tick: | got a tv, whee! |
| [11:43:01] | The_Tick: | nah |
| [11:43:14] | The_Tick: | I used to use blackbox as my desktop |
| [11:43:18] | The_Tick: | for like a year |
| [11:43:26] | The_Tick: | I actually gained productivity switching to the mac |
| [11:43:29] | juski: | screen changes in myth are instantaneous.. if I have to wait for something to 'whoosh' offscreen.. pfft |
| [11:43:37] | The_Tick: | I can't imagine it being any different in front row |
| [11:43:52] | ** The_Tick has never used front row ** | |
| [11:44:02] | juski: | xbmc moved to animated menus & it slowed that down |
| [11:44:12] | The_Tick: | that's because it's xbmc |
| [11:44:27] | juski: | no the animation is fast, you just have to wait a little |
| [11:44:33] | The_Tick: | I've heard no complaints of slowness about frontrow |
| [11:44:48] | juski: | yeh but nobody's seen it without animation |
| [11:44:58] | The_Tick: | why would they need to see it without animation? |
| [11:45:05] | juski: | to compare it |
| [11:45:09] | The_Tick: | that's silly |
| [11:45:14] | juski: | it's not |
| [11:45:16] | The_Tick: | if it works well with the animation |
| [11:45:21] | The_Tick: | what's the diff? |
| [11:45:28] | The_Tick: | gah, why are we arguing about this at 5 in the morning |
| [11:45:36] | ** The_Tick decides to go to sleep ** | |
| [11:45:40] | The_Tick: | later |
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| [11:45:56] | juski: | if it takes 10mS to go from one menu to another without animation, then you have an animation that takes 100mS.... |
| [11:46:19] | juski: | suppose you have to weigh the need for bling against how fast you want the ui |
| [11:48:05] | juski: | you only need look at Elisa to see why too much animation is bad for a ui |
| [11:52:17] | ** awilkins detests animated UI ** | |
| [11:53:10] | awilkins: | The only reason animated UI gets done is PHBs in marketing and developers with too much spare time and a 3D graphics api lying around. |
| [11:54:12] | awilkins: | I mean, you have stuff like that new X stuff (has a girls name, cant remember it) |
| [11:54:30] | awilkins: | Which is actually potentially useful in that it helps you organise your head. |
| [11:55:10] | juski: | I'm skeptical about that but I agree it's for girls |
| [11:55:24] | juski: | oooo p r e t t y ! |
| [11:55:55] | juski: | and the jury is still out about whether it'll ever fulfil its potential to be much use |
| [11:56:06] | awilkins: | Heh, yes, I'm not really wetting my pants about installing it, all my present *nix interaction doesn't even use a window manager |
| [11:56:25] | awilkins: | 1) SSH / bash 2) Mythfrontend |
| [11:56:37] | juski: | but I'm all for making mythfrontend easier on the eye, for sure |
| [11:56:50] | juski: | just so long as it doesn't get in the way of anything |
| [11:57:17] | awilkins: | Mythfrontend integration with Wiimote :-) |
| [11:57:52] | juski: | smooth scrolling would be nice, nay great |
| [11:58:33] | juski: | actually opengl doing all the scaling on capable platforms rather than precache everything scaled |
| [11:59:21] | awilkins: | I'd settle for XvMC working properly (maybe it does now, I dunno, I get nice playback from the software options, it's just an engineers itch to use less CPU and get smoother panning) |
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| [12:01:40] | juski: | my 1ghz box plays back great looking everything sdtv I can throw at it |
| [12:02:09] | juski: | but that's mostly due to xvmc actually doing the mpeg2 decoding |
| [12:02:15] | juski: | (via) |
| [12:09:08] | awilkins: | nvidia |
| [12:09:24] | awilkins: | Geforce 4MX embedded in a nforce2 chipset |
| [12:10:03] | awilkins: | Had a loong period where the drivers were total shite and you had to be really careful about which kernel/drivers/mythtv buildcombination you used. |
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| [12:13:13] | juski: | lol |
| [12:13:25] | juski: | awilkins: run all the files through ffmpeg first |
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| [12:19:27] | awilkins: | I think it's a bug in the libavcodec code – mplayer does the same thing |
| [12:19:50] | awilkins: | THe difference with mplayer being that it lists the streams and you can command it to play the right one. |
| [12:20:26] | awilkins: | Once you transcode out the main track, it's kinda hard to get it back. Since ffmpeg is the same codebase, will that really fix it? |
| [12:21:28] | juski: | hmmm not automagically no |
| [12:22:16] | juski: | I've thought about this before & postulated that maybe going for the track with the highest bitrate or number of channels |
| [12:22:22] | juski: | .. would be better |
| [12:22:42] | awilkins: | Yes, the other rule of thumb is that it's usually video pid ++ |
| [12:22:56] | juski: | wouldn't rely on that |
| [12:23:36] | juski: | we have bookmarks... why not a 'set preferred audio stream' ? |
| [12:24:05] | juski: | though you know.. AD tracks are marked as such.. in the PMT I think |
| [12:24:49] | awilkins: | I don't think mythtranscode is selecting a stream explicitly – I think it's using the same code as mplayer – hence the same behaviour |
| [12:24:53] | juski: | I don't need or want subtitles & AD tracks, so I've looked at ways of modifying myth to ignore them |
| [12:25:08] | awilkins: | Whereas playbackbox is doing it properly. |
| [12:25:10] | juski: | it already does PID filtering |
| [12:26:20] | juski: | maybe then, mythtranscode won't bork when the # of streams changes mid-recording.. if it's already ignoring PIDs I don't want ;) |
| [12:26:45] | juski: | unfortunately it's not a minor change to make |
| [12:28:16] | awilkins: | I'm glad it's not a problem with the actual transform code, that's just voodoo. |
| [12:28:25] | awilkins: | It's really just plumbing |
| [12:28:49] | juski: | well I need to power this box down to do some maintenance |
| [12:28:54] | juski: | back in a bit... |
| [12:28:56] | awilkins: | Have fun. |
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| [12:48:31] | janneg: | awilkins, juski: stuarta is working on ignoring AD streams at recording and the change isn't that big. the biggest part is probably the user interface |
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| [12:50:14] | juski: | shows you what I know about it ;) |
| [12:55:06] | janneg: | it's more than a one or two line change |
| [12:55:37] | juski: | heh that's what I define as 'non trivial' |
| [13:00:26] | siXy: | does anyone maintain any RHEL packages? |
| [13:04:22] | siXy: | for mythtv that is |
| [13:05:06] | awilkins: | janneg: Nice to hear |
| [13:05:29] | awilkins: | I'm settling for transcoding all my BBC recordings because they work properly – it's mostly channel "five |
| [13:05:37] | awilkins: | That has problems |
| [13:08:26] | juski: | channel 5 has AD? wow. do they have it for all the soft porn films too? |
| [13:10:05] | awilkins: | Heh |
| [13:10:40] | awilkins: | It the hardcore that's fun. "His trib |
| [13:10:56] | awilkins: | "Throbbing member plunges in and out about a thousand times" |
| [13:11:35] | gardengnome: | thanks, i've just had breakfast. |
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| [13:19:49] | juski: | violation of cable company's T&Cs, FYI |
| [13:20:12] | juski: | anyway check the linuxtv.org wiki for usb tuners linux supports |
| [13:20:30] | juski: | most usb dvb-t tuners cost less than 30 quid anyway |
| [13:21:08] | juski: | and some are.. well let's just say the aerials they come with aren't so hot |
| [13:21:09] | coling: | Cool juski :) |
| [13:21:40] | siXy: | juski: are the dvb-s cards with sky card support that allow you to get non-free sky channels naughty too? |
| [13:21:42] | coling: | Yeah I know about the dvb-c thing but I'm not getting access to anything I'm not supposed to get so don't feel guilty :) |
| [13:21:50] | juski: | siXy: yeah naught |
| [13:22:00] | juski: | naughty naughty |
| [13:22:24] | darkfrog: | can someone help me figure out why my firefire connection isn't working properly? plugreport returns properly but outputting video using test-mpeg2 doesn't work. |
| [13:22:43] | juski: | naughty because they use hardware CAMs not officially sanctioned by $ky, legally grey area |
| [13:22:44] | siXy: | thought so. pity really – i would actually subscribe to sky if i had myth to skip the ads |
| [13:23:11] | juski: | I wish I could just get a CAM from NTL. oh man! |
| [13:23:24] | juski: | I'd be straight onto dvbshop |
| [13:23:34] | siXy: | lol :D |
| [13:23:56] | juski: | "you can keep your junk STB, just gimme a CAM please" |
| [13:24:34] | juski: | .. if they let you connect other gear to the socket, of course |
| [13:24:44] | juski: | which they don't |
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| [13:25:46] | juski: | also be nice if the law was clear on the issue. like you pay for your subscription, so you can receive it however you want to. but no |
| [13:26:49] | juski: | bloody capitalists |
| [13:27:33] | coling: | Yeah, it does suck :( |
| [13:28:07] | coling: | Not even sure if I'll be able to keep the DVB-C card for long anyways as will be moving house soon and not sure if there will be cable in new place. |
| [13:28:23] | coling: | Would be happy with DVB-T anyway. |
| [13:28:48] | coling: | I don't watch anything other than freeview channels anyway. |
| [13:29:01] | siXy: | yeah it irks me that the uk media copyright law is so murky – its almost impossible to avoid breaking it if you as much as own an old vcr |
| [13:30:08] | coling: | Hehe, yeah it's nuts. Tho' I believe some new legislation was pushed through relatively recently that made iPods etc. legal... |
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| [13:34:25] | coling: | (first one) |
| [13:36:35] | darkfrog: | is there anyone here with enough experience with firewire to help me? |
| [13:37:14] | juski: | coling: no idea. check the linuxtv wiki, seriously |
| [13:37:49] | juski: | 35 squids is a bit much to pay for an unknown anyway |
| [13:37:50] | coling: | Yeah checked it juski but not can't really tell from that.... just wondered if you knew :) |
| [13:38:15] | coling: | Hard to say what chip is in it. |
| [13:38:27] | juski: | most I've ever paid for a tuner in the last 3 years is £37.50 – a pvr150 |
| [13:38:28] | awilkins: | I wish you could just get the DVB-C streams out of the cable modem in the STB |
| [13:38:41] | juski: | awilkins: lol |
| [13:38:58] | juski: | the stb is crashy enough thanks |
| [13:39:03] | awilkins: | Probably asking a bit much of the 10MBit ethernet connector though |
| [13:39:04] | coling: | lol yeah |
| [13:39:23] | coling: | There only seems to be one USB tuner on the wiki: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category . . . apture_cards |
| [13:39:47] | coling: | Oh no I see 2 |
| [13:40:02] | awilkins: | I have 2 of the Nova-T USB 2.0 s |
| [13:40:27] | awilkins: | I've retired my DEC2000-t, it's a piece of crap |
| [13:40:50] | awilkins: | The bandwidth on USB 1.1 just isn't good enough for the whopping great 15Mbit streams the BBC is broadcasting these days |
| [13:40:57] | juski: | http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=396317 |
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| [13:41:11] | juski: | 15mbit? you mean the hdtv test mux? |
| [13:41:26] | awilkins: | I don't get that... |
| [13:41:30] | awilkins: | Maybe I mean something else |
| [13:41:36] | awilkins: | Or a lower figure |
| [13:41:44] | juski: | the whole mux is about 15–18mbits I think |
| [13:41:54] | awilkins: | Hmm. |
| [13:42:03] | juski: | ah yeah you need bandwidth to send the whole mux down the usb |
| [13:42:04] | awilkins: | I've seen BBC recording that ate 5GB for a couple of hours |
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| [13:42:17] | awilkins: | And the driver dumexes, not the box.. |
| [13:42:25] | juski: | awilkins: yeah but how often does that happen? |
| [13:42:31] | coling: | Cool. I'll try and source one of the wintv nova thingies then. |
| [13:42:37] | awilkins: | On BBC1, pretty often. |
| [13:42:44] | coling: | It's 35 quid too, but happy to spend that on a pressie. |
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| [13:42:54] | awilkins: | Esp. all the films they showed over christmas |
| [13:43:20] | juski: | rather spend £35 on a Hauppauge ANYTHING than some 'Lucky lucky tv tuner company prestige box seller long time' thing |
| [13:43:30] | awilkins: | It's a nice unit – the DEC2000-t needed a PSU, but the Nova-T only needs the USB cable |
| [13:43:41] | juski: | I know someone who has a dec2000 |
| [13:43:53] | juski: | it's disgusting how bad it is |
| [13:44:01] | coling: | lol @ juski :D |
| [13:44:01] | awilkins: | I had one – I don't use it anymore – I gave it to my Mother-in-law as an STB |
| [13:44:22] | juski: | in reality though it was only ever as reliable as the first digital boxes |
| [13:44:54] | awilkins: | They never upgrade the damn firmware in PC tuners |
| [13:44:58] | juski: | you DO all know that when analogue switches off, digital is moving to 8k mode don't you? |
| [13:45:15] | awilkins: | You'll have to explain that |
| [13:45:23] | juski: | and the frequencies will be moving in some areas too which might mean you need a new aerial |
| [13:45:42] | coling: | Actually while I'm in here I may as well ask seeing as I'm not really on IRC that much.... what's the coolest smallest machine for frontends these days? I've got an EPIA m10k but it wont do HDTV.... when I move house I want to get HD everything :D (my f/e will be diskless) |
| [13:45:52] | awilkins: | I have line-of-sight to the winter hill transmitter |
| [13:45:53] | juski: | currently freeview is broadcast in 2k mode. newer boxes can do both 8k and 2k. older boxes can do only 2k |
| [13:46:10] | awilkins: | SOme of the muxes are 8k already, no? |
| [13:46:14] | juski: | nope |
| [13:46:35] | juski: | not until the great power level increase when analogue goes |
| [13:46:40] | janneg: | juski: the DEC2000-t can do 8k mode |
| [13:46:49] | juski: | awilkins: winter hill eh? same as me |
| [13:46:57] | awilkins: | You live in salford. |
| [13:46:59] | awilkins: | Or near it |
| [13:47:02] | awilkins: | I'm in Wigan |
| [13:47:04] | awilkins: | Much closer. |
| [13:47:13] | awilkins: | Wigan0ish |
| [13:47:21] | juski: | janneg: yeah it's not gonna affect some people.. thinking more of stb owners |
| [13:47:28] | juski: | winterhill is over that way? |
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| [13:47:48] | awilkins: | Horwich – Bolton kinda way |
| [13:47:54] | juski: | ahh |
| [13:48:11] | awilkins: | You can see it if you drive to Scan |
| [13:48:25] | juski: | it's funny I use to be able to spit at pontop pike & now I just kind of assume I live that close to a mast |
| [13:49:10] | juski: | I get a belting signal with my loft aerial anyhow.. even though it was only a quick lash-up |
| [13:49:31] | awilkins: | I just use the one that's alera |
| [13:49:34] | awilkins: | already there. |
| [13:49:46] | awilkins: | I really must go up there and squirrel proof things though |
| [13:49:48] | juski: | got a seperate aerial outside for the main telly. wife uses analogue in the morning.. not enough active braincells to operate the remote properly apparently |
| [13:50:10] | juski: | (early in the morning I mean) |
| [13:50:42] | awilkins: | Heh, can't be arsed to boot a computer to watch GMTV |
| [13:50:48] | coling: | OK, guys gotta go, thanks for the advice juski... take care. |
| [13:50:48] | juski: | coling: I think this un's reckoned to work in linux: http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=243628 |
| [13:51:00] | juski: | awilkins: GMTV? wtf is that? |
| [13:51:02] | ** coling looking ** | |
| [13:51:11] | coling: | Good Morning TV? |
| [13:51:15] | juski: | oh it's like ITV but lower-brow |
| [13:51:18] | coling: | On ITV. |
| [13:51:38] | coling: | Ahh juski that looks cheaper :) |
| [13:51:41] | awilkins: | Yeah, it's Good Morning Britain for the naughties |
| [13:51:43] | juski: | I'd honestly vote axing ITV |
| [13:51:49] | juski: | *for |
| [13:51:50] | ** coling agrees ** | |
| [13:52:10] | coling: | Right gotta go. Thanks again for the advice. |
| [13:52:17] | awilkins: | Likewise – just double the license fee and trash all the commercial channels |
| [13:52:21] | coling: | I'll see if the local shop has these items if not I'll order online. |
| [13:52:21] | juski: | although if digitalspy aren't making up stories they're doing a pretty good job of it themselves |
| [13:52:32] | juski: | np coling good luck |
| [13:54:16] | awilkins: | They started using the Tommorrows World brand on science blogs on the BBC news web – the number of people who commented saying "Bring back TW and Equinox and make Horizon non-shite again please" was enormous |
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| [14:20:03] | bmsleight: | Hi |
| [14:26:01] | juski: | awilkins: hardly surprising is it? |
| [14:30:29] | juski: | oh gawd.. "Research out today shows that by 2011, 435 million homes around the world will be using video-on-demand or near-video-on-demand services. The report, from Informa Telecoms & Media, shows that 38% of the world.s TV households will be generating revenues of $11.4 billion for the VOD providers." they wish! |
| [14:35:45] | bmsleight: | Can long questions be posted directly here or via a pastbin ? |
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| [14:37:59] | siXy: | anyone know if anyone maintains myth packages for RHEL? |
| [14:39:52] | bmsleight: | Hi |
| [14:39:52] | bmsleight: | I have a freecom DVB-USB device. Via mythtv-setup I have scanned a list of channels sucessfully. I am able to use the DVB-USB device via Kaffeine/mplayer and can lock and switch channels. |
| [14:39:53] | bmsleight: | However via the mythfrontend -> Watch TV. Signal 0% I get Signal/Noice Ratio of 4.8dB After about 30s. "The tuner shold have locked to the channel by now. " The LED on the DVB-USB device remains orange during this period. During the scanning processs in mythtv-setup and playing with Kaffeine/mplayer the LED displays as green. Output from mythfrontend:- |
| [14:39:53] | bmsleight: | http://pastebin.ca/316324 |
| [14:39:55] | bmsleight: | Any ideas on what I am dong wrong ? |
| [14:40:38] | juski: | bmsleight: need to see output from mythbackend |
| [14:40:45] | bmsleight: | ok |
| [14:41:35] | bmsleight: | mythbackend http://pastebin.ca/316327 |
| [14:42:19] | juski: | Finished recording Unknown: channel 1001 |
| [14:42:31] | juski: | channel 1001? does it exist? |
| [14:42:49] | bmsleight: | It is displayed as the correct name on the liveTV banner – BBC 1 |
| [14:43:12] | juski: | ok |
| [14:43:17] | cornell: | I'm running out of space on my / partition (disk, /myth is on the other disk). I notice that the mythbackend.log keeps get larger. I'd like to get it to "cycle" (I forget the proper term) such that every week, a new log gets started. Then I can remove old ones. How can I do that? |
| [14:43:18] | bmsleight: | It was adding during the scanning in mythtv-setup |
| [14:43:39] | bmsleight: | cornell: logrotate |
| [14:44:11] | cornell: | bmsleight: That a command? I'll check the man |
| [14:44:19] | bmsleight: | cornell: yep |
| [14:44:19] | juski: | bmsleight: you might need to increase the tuning timeout. can't remember where that setting is |
| [14:44:28] | bmsleight: | juski: in set-up |
| [14:44:34] | bmsleight: | juski: I try now. |
| [14:44:36] | bmsleight: | ta |
| [14:45:28] | juski: | bmsleight: increase it about five-fold I reckon |
| [14:45:33] | bmsleight: | k |
| [14:45:55] | juski: | dvb in mythtv is virtually unusable for livetv with the cards I use |
| [14:46:14] | juski: | but then, live tv is SO last century |
| [14:47:10] | bmsleight: | Simular error when trying to record. I'd love to move away form live tv watching :) |
| [14:47:40] | juski: | it's really annoying how other apps like tzap etc get a lock so quickly |
| [14:47:41] | gardengnome: | juski: why unusable? |
| [14:47:56] | juski: | gardengnome: start up time, channel change time |
| [14:47:58] | juski: | you name it |
| [14:48:07] | gardengnome: | ah, k |
| [14:48:15] | juski: | better than it used to be, but you could say the same about transatlantic travel |
| [14:49:11] | bmsleight: | funny 'cause it myth scans the channels really quickly. |
| [14:49:21] | cornell: | bmsleight: logrotate should be setup as a cron job... It runs periodically, and can change a log file for a running program, one that's writing to the log at time? |
| [14:49:52] | bmsleight: | yep – as far I as know |
| [14:52:18] | cornell: | I should set this up as root? |
| [14:52:21] | bmsleight: | Chnaging the the timeout the the maxmum settign had no affect. I am concerned the the hardware LED does not change colour. It does when scanning (sucessfully) in mythsetup and when watching dvb with outher apps. |
| [14:53:34] | siXy: | hmm there are myth acakges for rhel – which is fantastic – but the are from atrpms – which is a lot less fantastic |
| [14:53:48] | bmsleight: | cornell: short answer Yes. Long only equal to permissions of log it is chnagin. However I do noy do it by hand – debian packaging takes card of it for me. |
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| [15:00:55] | cornell: | oops, closed the wrong channel ;-) |
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| [15:37:24] | gonzzor: | Do I need to run mythfilldatabse from a cronjob or does the backend start it from time to time? |
| [15:45:28] | juski: | gonzzor: either |
| [15:45:48] | cornell: | Found /etc/logrotate.conf :-) |
| [15:45:55] | juski: | if you set mythtv to run mythfilldatabase it'll do so by itself at an appropriate time |
| [15:46:19] | juski: | if you don't, you'll need a cron job. if you use zap2it I recommend you let mythtv run it |
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| [15:46:47] | gonzzor: | juski: Oh... Thanks... Well.. I will notice if it won't work... Thanks.. Using se_swedb xmltv... |
| [15:49:39] | rsdvd: | juski : how goes the fight with theS100 – is at all working now? |
| [15:50:47] | juski: | rsdvd: kind of. I gave up trying to make a slimmer, working slack & just went with zenslack. problem is mythtv on it is too old |
| [15:51:09] | rsdvd: | can you not install the lastest? |
| [15:51:52] | juski: | rsdvd: it's not as simple as that |
| [15:53:44] | gardengnome: | is it not? |
| [15:53:49] | rsdvd: | if the version of mythtv is too old – then it won;t work with your backend.....the protcol will be differnt |
| [15:54:22] | juski: | well, if the mythtv libs were compiled with different 'other' libs there could be problems, yes? |
| [15:54:37] | gardengnome: | rsdvd: tell news ;) |
| [15:54:56] | gardengnome: | juski: right. did you ask panzaeron about his build environment? |
| [15:55:08] | juski: | nope |
| [15:57:11] | GreyFoxx: | how small are you looking to get it ? |
| [15:57:25] | juski: | as small as minimyth would be nice |
| [15:57:55] | juski: | I have a 1GB USB stick, but I'm damned if I'm uploading a 400MB tarball |
| [15:58:43] | juski: | I think I need to go about this the _best_ way rather than just hacking stuff |
| [15:58:47] | Dr_willis: | I was able to get GeeXboX to work with the UpNP server on my MythTV box yesterday. :) |
| [15:59:21] | GreyFoxx: | did You have to change something ? |
| [15:59:38] | juski: | GreyFoxx: I'll have to change the mythtv libs to the same version I have on my backend |
| [16:01:05] | ** GreyFoxx wonders how small Slax is these days ** | |
| [16:01:22] | rsdvd: | juski : did you try DSL? |
| [16:01:24] | GreyFoxx: | Dr_willis: What did you do to get it to show up ? |
| [16:01:27] | Dr_willis: | 120mb i think is the smaller ones with X. |
| [16:01:50] | GreyFoxx: | Dr_willis: YEah it was about 120m last I looked, 156 after I added mysql, qt and myth |
| [16:01:50] | Dr_willis: | GreyFoxx, on that first screen of mythtv-setup – i had to put the mythtv box's ip in the 2 locations that had 127.0.0.1 |
| [16:02:02] | GreyFoxx: | Dr_willis: Oh, hahaha yeah that would be a problem :) |
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| [16:02:33] | Dr_willis: | GreyFoxx, however the Upnp server only showed/played the dirs from the "show all recordings" item. it had places to sort them by show/channel/date. but nothing was in there. |
| [16:02:39] | Dr_willis: | but it did work. |
| [16:02:46] | GreyFoxx: | Dr_willis: when we reply to the upnp clients search requests we pass back the backends ocnfigured IP for the client to connect to |
| [16:02:59] | Dr_willis: | GeeXboX was the only upnp client i could find that worked.... |
| [16:03:08] | GreyFoxx: | I've got several that all work |
| [16:03:11] | o_cee: | anyone familiar with issues with input from keyboard (wireless) hangs under xorg (openbox) with edgy? happens if the keypress if very short (i think) |
| [16:03:20] | o_cee: | is very.. |
| [16:03:20] | GreyFoxx: | though I should mention I'm running svn, not -fixes or 0.20 |
| [16:03:23] | Dr_willis: | I couldent even find many clients to test out. |
| [16:03:27] | juski: | the problem I've got isn't how to build the thing.. it's more how to construct the final filesystem |
| [16:03:57] | Dr_willis: | GeeXBox worked. WMP11 – has that feature in Vista Only. MusicMatchJukeBox – audio files only, Nero SHowtime – dident work. |
| [16:04:14] | juski: | Dr_willis: nero 7's showtime worked for me |
| [16:04:26] | GreyFoxx: | Dr_willis: Nero works for me, ushare works, wmp on a vista machine at work worked too |
| [16:04:55] | Dr_willis: | I find it rather dumb that vista is the only one that has the upnp stuff.. :) i aint touching vista! |
| [16:04:57] | GreyFoxx: | I've got 4 or 5 clients laying around on different amchines and all of them work |
| [16:04:59] | Dr_willis: | Nero just hung. |
| [16:05:11] | juski: | rsdvd: didn't try DSL, but I need xorg 6.8.x to get the IEGD working – and that's needed for the tv out |
| [16:05:30] | Dr_willis: | the upnp things isaw for XMMS wanted $$ so i dident test them. |
| [16:05:38] | Dr_willis: | err for WInamp i mean. |
| [16:05:41] | Dr_willis: | :) not xmms. |
| [16:05:50] | juski: | Dr_willis: do they not even have a demo? |
| [16:05:54] | rsdvd: | juski : how old is 6.8.x? |
| [16:06:03] | juski: | rsdvd: pretty old now |
| [16:06:15] | Dr_willis: | juski, i think they said '14 day demo' so i said.. #*&*@& them then. :) |
| [16:06:37] | GreyFoxx: | One annoying thing is how some of the various players(including hardware players) are annoyingly specific in what values they want in some of the responses |
| [16:07:28] | Dr_willis: | yea – upnp seems to be a work in progress kind of thing. |
| [16:07:59] | GreyFoxx: | Nah, it's more "we want to keep you buying from us" :) |
| [16:18:46] | heanol: | i've gotten mythtv to work with watching tv now, but it always says Unknown as the program showing on all channel |
| [16:18:49] | heanol: | s |
| [16:18:58] | heanol: | i can see programs in the program guide under recording scheduling |
| [16:19:01] | heanol: | what am i doing wron? |
| [16:25:34] | hello_man: | guys.. I need to get MCE remote working wit mythtv. |
| [16:25:57] | hello_man: | it is configured properly but myth doesn't gets the key strokes or something |
| [16:26:15] | Dagmar: | Somehow, I don't think either one of you are actually reading instructions |
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| [16:27:14] | hello_man: | Dagmar, are you talking to me? |
| [16:27:58] | Dagmar: | Yep. |
| [16:29:04] | hello_man: | why do you think I haven't read the instructions |
| [16:29:11] | hello_man: | I tried almost everything. |
| [16:29:20] | hello_man: | just not sure why mytht doesn't respond to remote proesses |
| [16:29:24] | Dagmar: | Because every single step of making an mce remote work is documented to hell and back |
| [16:29:31] | hello_man: | on command prompt, I get key stroikes when I ran irw |
| [16:29:43] | Dagmar: | ...as well as the steps needed to troubleshoot problems. |
| [16:29:44] | hello_man: | I have read the instructions |
| [16:29:59] | Dagmar: | That you have no clear idea of what's wrong is pretty much a tell |
| [16:30:00] | Paladine: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Kd-beTSdkQ |
| [16:30:47] | hello_man: | Dagmar: ok you tell me, if the lircd config is correct and I get key presses printed, but still myth doesn't gets it. |
| [16:30:50] | hello_man: | where to look |
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| [16:31:18] | Dagmar: | hello_man: I'm saying this one thing and that all I'm saying becuase I'm too sick of dealing with people substituting "skim" for "read". Lirc needs *two* config files to work, and one of them goes in the home directory of the userid running the frontend |
| [16:32:02] | hello_man: | I have another config file under .mythtv/lircrc |
| [16:32:07] | hello_man: | and that's for mce |
| [16:32:09] | Dr_willis: | that reminds me – my remote stopped with RrE50 – tried the various fix's – but now im using a wireless keyboard anyway.. works better then a remote. heh heh. |
| [16:32:33] | Dagmar: | dr |
| [16:32:44] | Dagmar: | Dr_willis: Much more painful if you accidentally sit on it the wrong way tho |
| [16:45:04] | Bipolar: | Has anyone gotten Torrentocracy working with .20? |
| [16:46:03] | ** juski scowls ** | |
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| [16:46:22] | nuonguy: | thead |
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| [16:52:51] | juski: | huh? iegd is up to 6.1 now? |
| [16:52:56] | juski: | apparently |
| [16:53:56] | gardengnome: | 6.1? a bit old, isn't it? |
| [16:54:10] | juski: | ooo dsl uses xfree 4.2 |
| [16:54:24] | juski: | and that'll allegedly work with iegd 6.1 |
| [16:54:52] | juski: | gardengnome: dunno.. the intel site doesn't make it easy to find stuff directly |
| [16:56:34] | juski: | jackpot! Linux* support for the following distributions: |
| [16:56:35] | juski: | . Damn Small Linux* |
| [16:56:43] | juski: | http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df-ex . . . amp;lang=eng |
| [16:57:28] | juski: | very, very interesting |
| [16:57:57] | GreyFoxx: | juski: 6.1 was released on Dev 6th or 7th |
| [16:58:05] | GreyFoxx: | dec |
| [16:58:12] | GreyFoxx: | I haven't tried it myself yet |
| [16:58:14] | juski: | so it's not old at all :) |
| [16:58:18] | GreyFoxx: | nope |
| [16:58:49] | juski: | so. that's all well & good but how do I get mythtv into dsl without bloating it |
| [16:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've never used dsl :) |
| [16:59:28] | juski: | you can do it from debian packages! |
| [17:00:06] | gardengnome: | gah. i should learn to read. never mind the "a bit old" comment :7 |
| [17:00:37] | juski: | heh. in some circles 5 weeks is old :-P |
| [17:01:13] | juski: | hrm dsl uses a ramdisk.. will have to get around that |
| [17:02:51] | Milosch: | lo all |
| [17:03:13] | Milosch: | you know, it gets even better with multiple backends, etc. |
| [17:03:30] | GreyFoxx: | What gets better? |
| [17:03:37] | gardengnome: | VDR? |
| [17:03:44] | Milosch: | well, the whole experience and usefulness |
| [17:03:56] | Milosch: | been running one machine for 3 months, just added another |
| [17:04:02] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh |
| [17:04:19] | juski: | I'll get back to you when ubuntu has stayed up for 3 months solid |
| [17:04:36] | Milosch: | now i just need to get a better video card, the builtin 6150 is really awful |
| [17:05:00] | darkfrog: | Can someone help me with some Firewire video issues? I'm stumped...I can get it to work with test-mpeg2, but when I try to run it in myth I get a bunch of "FireRec, Error: TS packet out of sync." messages in the backend. |
| [17:05:02] | Milosch: | well, i haven't kept a single version running for 3 months, so i can't tell you, but i am using edgy on both |
| [17:05:30] | GreyFoxx: | juski: I'be got a couple machines that have been up for years :) |
| [17:05:39] | juski: | GreyFoxx: bet they're not running ubuntu |
| [17:05:46] | GreyFoxx: | No :) |
| [17:05:57] | darkfrog: | What's even more strange is that when I go back to test-mpeg2 it records again, but mplayer refuses to play it. |
| [17:06:09] | juski: | that said I've had no random reboots now I'm no longer trying to access samba shares |
| [17:06:14] | Milosch: | juski: what's wrong with ubuntu? short version please |
| [17:06:50] | juski: | I unshared a dir umbongo was trying to mount.. saw loads of errors in the log before it rebooted |
| [17:07:13] | Milosch: | i only started using it less than a year ago, so it won't hurt my feelings ;) |
| [17:07:35] | juski: | it mostly works so I don't mind it |
| [17:07:46] | juski: | but I dunno how many more random reboots I can stand |
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| [17:07:51] | Milosch: | two amd, now one celeron (ancient) |
| [17:08:05] | darkfrog: | anyone seen Jarod around lately? |
| [17:08:18] | juski: | 5 in 2 months is cause enough for me to dump it. 2 strikes left |
| [17:08:28] | Milosch: | since i switched the main backend to the internal nvidia, i get lockup when trying to use the guide |
| [17:08:56] | Milosch: | when it works, the video looks really sad, wish i had a vectorscope to see how bad |
| [17:08:58] | juski: | darkfrog: not this year at all |
| [17:09:35] | darkfrog: | What does "Could not find code parameters (Audio: mp3, 256kb/s) LAVF_HEADER: av_find_stream_info() failed" when trying to play recorded video through mplayer mean? |
| [17:09:46] | darkfrog: | code = codec |
| [17:10:01] | Milosch: | dark, wrong colors, yecch, all the tweaking with nvidia-settings, etc. doesn't help |
| [17:10:30] | juski: | darkfrog: trying to play a .nuv ? |
| [17:11:32] | darkfrog: | juski, outputting from my DCT-6200 using test-mpeg2 to a file and then trying to play with mplayer |
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| [17:12:33] | darkfrog: | juski, worked the first time, now after I start myth and try I get "TS packet out of sync.", then test-mpeg2 records the file still, but I get that error from mplayer. |
| [17:16:46] | darkfrog: | any ideas? |
| [17:17:16] | juski: | darkfrog: nope |
| [17:17:17] | darkfrog: | GreyFoxx, you've helped me before...you have all the answers, right? ;) |
| [17:18:25] | juski: | guess I'll have to downloadify dsl now then eh |
| [17:20:59] | jams: | seems like the neverending quest |
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| [17:26:08] | bmsleight: | re |
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| [17:27:38] | bmsleight: | should be 506000000 |
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| [17:30:52] | juski: | jams: well, with me I tend to fanny around for ages before finally finding a method that suits me |
| [17:32:03] | kyler_: | bmsleight: I believe the frequency setting for the channel 2 is set to 0, take a look at it in mythweb or the channel editor |
| [17:32:58] | juski: | you know the old 'use something you're comfortable with' ? slack just isn't me |
| [17:33:13] | bmsleight: | kyler_: Ok I try, I was thinking I might have to manually change the value in mythconverg |
| [17:34:26] | AngryElf: | does anyone here know how to convert dvds to any file format so that video and sound(ac3) quality is lossless? |
| [17:36:06] | kyler_: | AngryElf, it's kind of difficult to get lossless quality from lossy formats. You need to choose lossless formats instead. |
| [17:36:27] | AngryElf: | er, well yea — so how? |
| [17:36:29] | Dagmar: | Well, if you don't mind them being huge there's nothing much stopping you from just ripping the VOB file |
| [17:36:34] | Dagmar: | It's just mpg2 after all |
| [17:37:11] | AngryElf: | Dagmar, but if you rip the vob file you end up with set of vob files and when you play them you're not necessarily getting the right audio track |
| [17:37:12] | Paladine: | anyone seen the jericho pilot? |
| [17:37:25] | Dagmar: | AngryElf: That's where "knowing what the hell you're doing" comes in |
| [17:37:30] | AngryElf: | it's all different depending on the DVD — ideally i want one file that contains the video and audio stream that i've picekd out |
| [17:37:38] | Milosch: | argh, getting some bad remote keys on this slow machine |
| [17:38:15] | AngryElf: | i know what the hell i'm doing — i haven't found an app out there that makes this easy — all of the apps that pick and chose video/audio streams them conpress them |
| [17:38:17] | Dagmar: | AngryElf: I didnt' say "blindly copy the file off the DVD" |
| [17:38:25] | GreyFoxx: | Paladine: Saw it... and the 10 or so episodes that have airred so far :) |
| [17:38:51] | Paladine: | GreyFoxx, it premiered here in the UK last night, Imissed it but have it set to record tonight |
| [17:38:56] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh |
| [17:38:57] | Dagmar: | Go get SlySoft's CloneDVD2 if you don't feel like learning how to do it |
| [17:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | I like it so far |
| [17:39:01] | Paladine: | just wondered if it is any good |
| [17:39:35] | Paladine: | erm I mean it premiered here on Friday night |
| [17:39:36] | Paladine: | hehe |
| [17:39:40] | Paladine: | I get mixed up sometimes |
| [17:39:59] | Paladine: | I was too busy shagging on Friday to remember to schedule it |
| [17:40:29] | GreyFoxx: | special :) |
| [17:40:52] | Paladine: | hehehe |
| [17:41:03] | Paladine: | "some things are more important than tv." |
| [17:41:07] | ** GreyFoxx checkes his recordings from tonight ** | |
| [17:41:12] | Paladine: | you can quote me on that ;) |
| [17:42:40] | GreyFoxx: | I think that goes without saying :) |
| [17:44:39] | Milosch: | one would have thought |
| [17:45:12] | Milosch: | seems like i don't have a repeat problem, just that some keys are being read incorrectly at times, probably due to the speed of the machine |
| [17:46:45] | juski: | I thought the reason lirc on linux worked so well was that it uses the uart for timing with serial remotes |
| [17:47:15] | juski: | and other remotes just decode the IR with a microcontroller so all they end up doing is spewing out characters |
| [17:47:56] | Milosch: | somehow the codes from the client are being misinterpreted by lircd, or something |
| [17:48:40] | Milosch: | same remote worked fine on a decent machine, and if i slow down my keypresses it works little better |
| [17:48:50] | Dibblah: | With serial recievers, the UART generates an interrupt when the IR reciever transitions from low / high or vice versa. |
| [17:49:09] | Milosch: | fwiw, it's the hauppauge remote, lirc_i2c |
| [17:49:24] | Dibblah: | The interrupts are timed in software, by the kernel module. |
| [17:49:49] | juski: | eew. thought it would've been better to do the timing with the uart.. ah well |
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| [17:50:41] | Dibblah: | Nah. It's not general purpose enough. |
| [17:51:25] | Dibblah: | Hence why I'm now using a Microsoft product on my frontend :) |
| [17:51:48] | Dibblah: | MCE2 USB actually isn't that bad. |
| [17:53:58] | Milosch: | have that one, too. pretty decent but the buttons are too small, imo |
| [17:54:18] | Dibblah: | Well, you can use any remote you like... |
| [17:54:20] | Milosch: | also need to replace the winblows sticker on it ;) |
| [17:54:27] | Milosch: | true enough |
| [17:54:31] | Dibblah: | I was using it with a Sky+ remote. |
| [17:54:46] | Dibblah: | Actually, the Communicator remote. |
| [17:55:09] | Milosch: | need to get the business going before i start buying more 'kit', hence the celeron frontend... |
| [17:55:40] | Milosch: | so far only one customer, but it's only been 2 weeks |
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| [17:57:16] | Milosch: | hmm, eps and aeps (lircd.conf) |
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| [17:59:25] | Tuomaz: | I'm recently upgraded from p12325 to current svn. No I have problem with xmltv provided data character encoding. Someone knows anything about this? |
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| [18:22:28] | Milosch: | whew, managed to find 384M lying around here, much better |
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| [18:23:25] | zablalbaz: | hey all...was wondering if anyone could assist me in getting my remote working? |
| [18:24:58] | ** zablalbaz thinks he just needs a good licrc file for a mceusb RC6 remote.... ** | |
| [18:43:33] | Anduin: | zablalbaz: There is an example in the contrib directory |
| [18:43:42] | Milosch: | rc6? |
| [18:44:56] | Kronuz: | hello :) |
| [18:45:41] | Kronuz: | hey, has anyone used the WinTV-PVR-150MCE under MythTV? |
| [18:45:47] | Kronuz: | (the MCE edition) |
| [18:46:00] | Milosch: | Kronuz: yes |
| [18:46:15] | Milosch: | rather, i have the 500, sorry |
| [18:46:25] | Kronuz: | yeah :( |
| [18:46:26] | Milosch: | like 2 150's with the remote, etc |
| [18:46:34] | Milosch: | similar, what's up? |
| [18:46:41] | Kronuz: | I wonder what's the difference between the 150MCE and the WinTV-PVR-350 |
| [18:46:50] | Kronuz: | they both look like they do the same |
| [18:47:16] | Kronuz: | the only thing the PVR-150 didn't do was FM, and the 150MCE does have FM tuner |
| [18:47:25] | Dagmar: | There's a page on the mythTV wiki that explains what the different models are |
| [18:47:30] | Kronuz: | (I think that's all what's different, but I'm not sure) |
| [18:47:33] | Milosch: | 350 has an mpeg decoder in addition to the encoder |
| [18:47:37] | Dagmar: | So why are you telling us? |
| [18:47:42] | Kronuz: | oh, right, the decoder |
| [18:48:03] | Milosch: | and an fm tuner, but myth doesn't use that anyway |
| [18:48:11] | juski: | now now.. don't go telling people to find out for themselves by reading docs. you'll be accused of being unnecessarily harsh |
| [18:48:14] | Kronuz: | Dagmar: well, I'm not sure of the differences... and I wanted to see if it works with MythTV |
| [18:48:48] | Milosch: | they all work, tuner and composite and svideo, using the ivtv driver |
| [18:48:55] | Dagmar: | Kronuz: So instead of just asking you ramble on about it? |
| [18:49:06] | Inssomniak: | The MCE version doesnt it use a different encoder chip as well? (different drivers) |
| [18:49:07] | Milosch: | wow, this guy sounds familiar |
| [18:49:18] | juski: | the biggest differences are the remotes you get with them. |
| [18:49:21] | Kronuz: | Dagmar: look up, that was my question |
| [18:49:25] | Milosch: | Inssomniak: not sure, but i use the same module |
| [18:49:38] | Kronuz: | Dagmar: (the second thing I said on th channel) |
| [18:49:40] | juski: | all the pvr150 cards use the same chips |
| [18:49:45] | Inssomniak: | I thought I read there was a new one not based on ivtv, but some conexant chip |
| [18:49:51] | Milosch: | some have different tuner chips, iirc |
| [18:49:58] | juski: | they've used conexant for ages |
| [18:50:02] | Milosch: | but that's more production date |
| [18:50:14] | ** Inssomniak shuts up ** | |
| [18:50:16] | Kronuz: | it says the 150MCE uses Conexant -416 |
| [18:50:20] | Kronuz: | (I believe) |
| [18:50:23] | juski: | cx23416 |
| [18:50:33] | juski: | like the base pvr150 card uses |
| [18:50:47] | Kronuz: | I wonder why the 150 don't have FM tuner then |
| [18:50:49] | Inssomniak: | Ive never owned one so I dont have a clue really |
| [18:50:50] | Milosch: | pretty sure the tuners had changed at some point |
| [18:51:02] | Dagmar: | Kronuz: Some do, some don't. read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category . . . apture_cards |
| [18:51:12] | GreyFoxx: | The only difference is that at some point they started putting the cx23415/6 behind a c ontroller chip. Usually referred to as the blackbird design |
| [18:51:32] | juski: | from our (mythtv users) point of view the biggest difference is what you get bundled with it |
| [18:51:48] | juski: | the cheapest one doesn't come with a remote |
| [18:51:52] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx! long time no seen! :) |
| [18:51:59] | zablalbaz: | Anduin: sorry for the late response was reading up on mythtv...where is this contrib directory you speak of? |
| [18:52:03] | juski: | the mid-priced one comes with a hauppauge remote |
| [18:52:13] | juski: | and the top of the line comes with a full MCE remote kit |
| [18:52:20] | GreyFoxx: | zablalbaz: It's in the source |
| [18:52:25] | GreyFoxx: | No idea if packagers include it |
| [18:52:43] | juski: | it's not hard to work it out if you just take the time to _look_ and compare |
| [18:53:02] | zablalbaz: | juski: be careful with that...remote is really a mceusb remote if you get the PVR150's |
| [18:53:15] | Kronuz: | Dagmar: thanks, I looked to some other comparison list in their website which didn't have the MCE edition |
| [18:53:16] | juski: | so? |
| [18:53:17] | Inssomniak: | regarding the analog shutoff in 2009, is it understood that all OTA broadcasters must be digital by the feb 2009 date, but cable TV companies can still use analog if they so choose? |
| [18:53:27] | juski: | Inssomniak: nope |
| [18:53:47] | Milosch: | i have a 350 and a 500, 500 came with the mce usb remote, 350 with a standard hauppauge remote which plugs into the card – they both work fine |
| [18:54:16] | Inssomniak: | so, a pvr 150 or any ntsc based card will not be much use at the beginning of 2009 |
| [18:54:21] | juski: | but that doesn't necessarily mean they will move to digital right away – there'd be a huge infrastructure cost |
| [18:54:55] | Milosch: | Inssomniak: still works for your old hardware and your dvd player, etc until you upgrade, just no longer much good for livetv |
| [18:55:07] | juski: | and a pvr150 will still have a use for capturing from cable/sat boxes |
| [18:55:07] | ** zablalbaz just made the mistake of assuming his remote was a haupauge remote and used the hauppauge lircd.conf from the docs is all ** | |
| [18:55:16] | zablalbaz: | did not work |
| [18:55:22] | Milosch: | but until my 32" dies i won't be upgrading to hd ;) |
| [18:55:23] | Inssomniak: | yea that I understand |
| [18:56:13] | juski: | I saw a clip of 'american idol' today.. obviously sourced from NTSC. the colours looked totally wrong & the image was lacking in detail! how you guys put up with that I'll never know |
| [18:56:28] | Inssomniak: | what do you use juski ? atsc? |
| [18:56:31] | Dagmar: | Inssomniak: I seriously doubt cable TV franchises will bother to change by 2009 |
| [18:56:33] | juski: | dvb-t |
| [18:56:33] | Milosch: | zablalbaz: does the remote have a button with the windows logo on it? and the recever is usb? |
| [18:56:37] | Kronuz: | has anyone actually used the PVR-150MCE with MythTV? |
| [18:56:46] | zablalbaz: | Milosch: yep |
| [18:56:48] | Dagmar: | juski: How the hell do you put up with American Idol? |
| [18:56:58] | Inssomniak: | Dagmar, well that was my question, I dont know if they are as well mandated by fcc/crtc to be no more analog by that date |
| [18:56:58] | juski: | Dagmar: with NTSC |
| [18:57:08] | zablalbaz: | only sort of works with the lircrc file I have right now |
| [18:57:18] | zablalbaz: | none of the number buttons work |
| [18:57:20] | Inssomniak: | ahh juski, yea I use atsc, and dvb-s I refuse analog :) |
| [18:57:22] | Milosch: | zablalbaz: that is what i have, mceusb |
| [18:57:23] | juski: | zablalbaz: so use irw & work out the buttons |
| [18:57:32] | Dagmar: | Inssomniak: That "deadline" has been moved at least four times now. 2015 is probably a more reasonable time frame |
| [18:57:44] | kgbudz: | the aspect ratio of the preview video under my recorded programs |
| [18:57:47] | kgbudz: | is messed up |
| [18:57:55] | Dagmar: | Mainly because by then most people will have had their old NTSC televisions *die* from old age |
| [18:57:57] | Inssomniak: | Dagmar, well for OTA, I can see them hitting the 2009 date, as most are already ATSC |
| [18:58:11] | juski: | 80% of the UK can now get digital.. the other 20% haven't long had electricity so er... |
| [18:58:12] | Dagmar: | Inssomniak: That and hardly anyone watches TV with an antenna |
| [18:58:25] | juski: | zablalbaz: that can't be the case or it'd work |
| [18:58:30] | Inssomniak: | 20 million in America alone still use an antenna |
| [18:58:34] | zablalbaz: | Kronuz: I am using the pvr150mce with myth and it's working just fine |
| [18:58:45] | Kronuz: | zablalbaz: great! thanks :) |
| [18:58:58] | Kronuz: | zablalbaz: how do you setup a remote? |
| [18:59:00] | ** juski uses a pvr150 oem card.. cheap as chips ** | |
| [18:59:06] | Kronuz: | I don't think the 150MCE has one, does it? |
| [18:59:15] | zablalbaz: | Kronuz: that part I am still working on |
| [18:59:16] | Dagmar: | Cable TV is rapidly approaching being more likely to be in a home than a land-line telephone |
| [18:59:24] | Milosch: | zablalbaz: trying to pastebin my configs for you |
| [18:59:29] | zablalbaz: | Kronuz: mine came with a remote |
| [18:59:35] | Kronuz: | hmm |
| [18:59:37] | Kronuz: | it did? |
| [18:59:43] | zablalbaz: | yep |
| [18:59:45] | Kronuz: | how do you connect it? |
| [18:59:52] | zablalbaz: | bought it from newegg |
| [18:59:55] | Dagmar: | The MCE generally come with a remote. Order from NewEgg if you want to know what you're getting for sure |
| [18:59:56] | Inssomniak: | Dagmar, I agree, (im a cable tv installer), and also install phone-over-cable, 5–6 times a day for me alone |
| [19:00:10] | kgbudz: | anyone know how to tweak the live preview video in my recorded programs? |
| [19:00:13] | Kronuz: | I don't see any input connections for the remote on the 150MCE |
| [19:00:16] | Milosch: | pastebin is giving me php errors :( |
| [19:00:21] | kgbudz: | its cutting off the bottom 33% of the video |
| [19:00:39] | juski: | kgbudz: I think the 'mce' named pvr150s use a USB remote receiver |
| [19:00:59] | kgbudz: | i think you mean someone else |
| [19:00:59] | juski: | kgbudz: using ati eh? |
| [19:01:07] | PeterC: | Hello! I'm trying out nuvexport for the first time. I was trying to convert a small (10 minutes) recording to Xvid but I expect something is wrong. The system starts with a lot of disk activity and feels almost completely unresponsive to other things. I have a 3200+ and 1024Mbytes of memory. |
| [19:01:17] | juski: | oops that was for Kronuz .. damned autocomplete |
| [19:01:27] | kgbudz: | no, like my mythtv aspect ratio is 16:9, so its showing the live preview in 16:9 |
| [19:01:32] | kgbudz: | and not in the original ratio |
| [19:01:42] | Milosch: | zablalbaz: no luck with pastebin yet, sorry |
| [19:01:47] | Kronuz: | juski: oh |
| [19:02:09] | juski: | Kronuz: using a 4:3 theme eh? |
| [19:02:17] | kgbudz: | you using pastebin .com or .ca |
| [19:02:22] | Milosch: | com |
| [19:02:38] | zablalbaz: | juski: I have no problem trying to make a file of my own, I just don't know how to convert the numeric address from irw to an lircrc config |
| [19:02:53] | juski: | zablalbaz: you don't. it has button names |
| [19:03:12] | Kronuz: | I suppose the PVR150MCE (the kit version) comes with the USB remote receiver |
| [19:03:15] | Milosch: | zablalbaz: i guess you have the lircd.conf already, right |
| [19:03:21] | juski: | irw spits out button names when you press buttons |
| [19:04:03] | juski: | the number buttons should be called numerical names like "1", "2".. etc... if the person who made the original lircd.conf wasn't a total idiot |
| [19:04:09] | zablalbaz: | juski: ok then ... how does this "000000037ff07bfe 00 One mceusb" = "button = 1 repeat = 3 config = 1" ? |
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| [19:04:34] | Kronuz: | the WinTV-PVR-150MCE and the WinTV-PVR-250MCE look the same :S |
| [19:04:42] | zablalbaz: | Milosch: yeah...got the proper lircd.conf file and it works when I test with irw |
| [19:04:51] | Kronuz: | (just the 250 is twice the price) |
| [19:05:10] | zablalbaz: | juski: yeah...should have made that clear...sorry |
| [19:05:12] | Milosch: | ok, i had to tweak my lircrc quite a bit, also changed the lircd.conf # button to STAR |
| [19:05:22] | juski: | so you'll have to change lircrc to have "button = One" for the '1' key & so on |
| [19:06:07] | zablalbaz: | juski: cool...let me try that...only need to test one to see if it works :-) |
| [19:06:27] | [dave]: | soryr, that is 5 and 6, not 5 and cat on the keyboard |
| [19:06:38] | Milosch: | zablalbaz: here's my lircd.conf http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1588/ |
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| [19:07:34] | zablalbaz: | Milosch: aha! that's what I though I needed to do- thx for confirming |
| [19:08:00] | Milosch: | might need to email you the other one (.lircrc) |
| [19:08:21] | zablalbaz: | so I can c/p the output from irw into the lircrc file...hmm |
| [19:09:12] | zablalbaz: | Milosch: do I need both lircrc and a .lircrc file? my .mythtv directory contains only the lircrc file |
| [19:10:17] | zablalbaz: | you all have helped me figure that out though |
| [19:11:28] | Milosch: | ln -s .mythtv/lircrc .lircrc |
| [19:11:32] | Milosch: | or something like that |
| [19:11:46] | zablalbaz: | juski: ah! that makes sense. If I want to hop around on the actual desktop and control other apps, I'll need a .lircrc file in the user's home directory |
| [19:12:12] | Milosch: | i also use irexec and the HOME button to restart mythfrontend |
| [19:12:21] | zablalbaz: | cool |
| [19:12:31] | zablalbaz: | preciate the help guys |
| [19:12:55] | ** zablalbaz was getting a little frustrated there :-) ** | |
| [19:14:05] | Milosch: | you'll need/want lircrc sections for mplayer, etc. as well |
| [19:14:11] | Milosch: | probably |
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| [19:14:22] | AMystery2: | so, anyone up to celebrate solving zablalbaz's problems by moving on to my missing channels and guide info?:) |
| [19:15:22] | juski: | missing channels & guide info point to the user not configuring them, usually |
| [19:15:56] | AMystery2: | so I'd think also, but I've been through the setup several times and not found where I made a mistake |
| [19:16:06] | Milosch: | have you run mythfilldatabase? |
| [19:16:16] | Milosch: | after the setup, that is |
| [19:16:20] | AMystery2: | if I probe the card for channels it only finds 5 and 6, on both a pvr350 and pvr500 |
| [19:16:28] | Dagmar: | Have you tossed out the old database since you noticed the problem? |
| [19:16:40] | Dagmar: | OKay, so why are you probing? |
| [19:16:54] | AMystery2: | on this install, no. I basically started over from a clean install about 10 minutes ago |
| [19:17:07] | Dagmar: | "basically" == didn't. |
| [19:17:08] | juski: | analogue scanning isn't the best way to go about adding channels to mythtv |
| [19:17:24] | AMystery2: | basically = did. format and reinstall using knoppmyth |
| [19:17:39] | Dagmar: | If you set up your Zap2it profile properly, *that's* where it's going to get intelligent channel data from |
| [19:17:41] | Milosch: | juski: it's certainly anticlimactic |
| [19:17:59] | AMystery2: | yeah, I am trying ot get the guide to download via zap2it but so far it isnt happening. I know the profile it good since i use it in windows but for some reason it isn't getting to myth |
| [19:18:17] | Dagmar: | So what does "it isn't happening" mean? |
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| [19:18:38] | AMystery2: | to be clear, do I need to change anything in zap2it to allow it to work with myth instead of sage on windows? |
| [19:18:43] | Dagmar: | Nope. |
| [19:18:54] | Milosch: | AMystery2: have you run mythfilldatabase manually? |
| [19:18:59] | juski: | paying for a pvr app? hahaha |
| [19:19:16] | Milosch: | if you do you might be able to see if it's able to get data from zap2it |
| [19:19:39] | Dagmar: | Considering the directions say to run mythfilldatabase before the frontend is ever started... |
| [19:20:29] | AMystery2: | I'm in the myth initial setup program. I defined three capture cards and one video source. when I am in the video source I tell it to use the US data grabber. give it user/pass. hit retrieve lineups and it goes to 50%, sits there for a bit, then ends. it never populates the data direct lineup field |
| [19:20:46] | AMystery2: | I haven't started the frontend yet |
| [19:20:53] | Dagmar: | I like how he skillfully avoids ever mentioning he didn't run mythfilldatabase manually |
| [19:20:57] | juski: | whoah.. GreyFoxx IEGD 6.1 supports xorg 7.0 :) |
| [19:21:10] | Dagmar: | i.e., didn't actually follow the directions. |
| [19:21:20] | Milosch: | AMystery2: does the machine have proper internet access? |
| [19:21:25] | AMystery2: | one question at a time. No, i haven't run mythfilldatabase yet. until the sources are configured there isn't a point to running it |
| [19:21:43] | Dagmar: | Okay, obviously you know better than the instructions do, so you clearly won't need my help |
| [19:21:54] | juski: | AMystery2: funny, but the initial mythfilldatabase command populates the channels |
| [19:22:51] | AMystery2: | ok, that isnt how the knoppmyth setup is taking me, but when running it, it does seem to say it can't talk to the las. dns resolution may be failing |
| [19:22:52] | Milosch: | juski: i kinda see what he means, in the grabber setup it does populate somewhat |
| [19:23:28] | juski: | does it? doesn't when you use xmltv |
| [19:24:20] | AMystery2: | seems I can't currently resolve datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com, so there is one problem |
| [19:24:32] | Milosch: | yeah, with zap it does, you can see it if you are running setup from a terminal and look back at the terminal |
| [19:24:48] | Milosch: | AMystery2: that's probably it then, more of a system issue |
| [19:26:35] | AMystery2: | a pretty bad system issue since the system just locked up |
| [19:26:40] | Milosch: | oops |
| [19:27:22] | AMystery2: | it has been doing this a lot in knoppmyth. something is clearly unhappy, which is sad because this is the closest I've come to getting myth working |
| [19:27:29] | juski: | GreyFoxx: they have patches for 2.6.15 kernels too :) |
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| [19:30:36] | AMystery2: | anyone installed on the newest ubuntu? edgy I think. any problems to look out for? |
| [19:30:56] | juski: | hahaha the pdf docs even have instructions on how to modify DSL directly :) |
| [19:31:19] | juski: | AMystery2: yeah. the mythtv-database debconf script changing the mythtv mysql user's password to a random one |
| [19:31:38] | juski: | and not telling you what it is |
| [19:31:43] | AMystery2: | sounds rather unpleasant |
| [19:31:59] | juski: | nah. the new details are stored in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [19:33:02] | Milosch: | they also email the password back to themselves for testing |
| [19:33:06] | Milosch: | j/k |
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| [19:33:14] | AMystery2: | i can probably survive that size problem:) |
| [19:33:29] | defend: | anyone here know how to regex in sh? i started writting/modifying a script to tun as a job to do nuvexpots of my recordings but some title names have chars the shell doesnt like. like & () |
| [19:33:44] | AMystery2: | if one distro doesn't work, I'll try another. I have wanted a myth box for years. maybe today will be a joyous day |
| [19:33:51] | defend: | is there an equalivent to ~s// |
| [19:35:17] | Milosch: | AMystery2: i started a couple of months ago with ubuntu edgy, then hammered it into submission using the latest svn, make-kpg, etc. |
| [19:35:51] | Milosch: | i had heard the myth for years and finally dove in |
| [19:36:00] | AMystery2: | sounds great, but consider I just broke a live cd and hard locked linux. you don't want me getting into sourceforge installs:) |
| [19:36:11] | AMystery2: | i have a "gift"... |
| [19:36:16] | Milosch: | heh |
| [19:36:35] | Milosch: | despite how some people treat you on irc, it does take all kinds |
| [19:37:05] | AMystery2: | one day I will finally get it all working in gentoo, but for now I am trying for proof of concept |
| [19:38:14] | nasa: | Hi, I am trying to get lirc working... I installed dkms_lirc and everything installed as expected. I am using lirc_dev as the module, which gets loaded fine (or so it seems). However , no /dev/lirc/0 device is created. What have *@%!# up? |
| [19:38:17] | Milosch: | i need to get a couple of doctors on board so i can 'consult' for them installing their overly complex whole house myth systems ;) |
| [19:38:36] | ** juski costs $200 an hour ** | |
| [19:38:40] | Milosch: | nasa: what lirc device are you trying to use |
| [19:38:46] | nasa: | lirc_dev |
| [19:38:50] | Milosch: | juski: that's pretty high |
| [19:38:53] | Anduin: | nasa: lirc_dev is just the interface for the actual driver |
| [19:38:55] | Milosch: | nasa: no, actual device |
| [19:38:57] | juski: | Milosch: so? |
| [19:39:15] | Milosch: | juski: wouldn't fly here unless you offer the happy ending |
| [19:39:29] | ** nasa is feeling pretty stupid. ** | |
| [19:39:49] | juski: | I offer no guarantees |
| [19:39:51] | Milosch: | nasa: you have an ir receiver or something? |
| [19:39:57] | juski: | no consultant ever does |
| [19:40:26] | juski: | a consultant, do himself out of a job? heh |
| [19:40:27] | Milosch: | $125 here, and that's pretty average from what i can tell |
| [19:40:43] | Milosch: | juski: i mean happy ending ala the massage parlour |
| [19:40:48] | juski: | ahh but how many mythtv specialists are there in the world hmm? |
| [19:41:01] | Milosch: | well, that's a different story |
| [19:41:04] | nasa: | Yeah, I have MCE remote (I will actually use my Harmony via that receiver) |
| [19:41:29] | Milosch: | nasa: ok, then you need lirc_mceusb or something like that most likely |
| [19:41:30] | juski: | seriously though it's enough for me to be my own tech-support |
| [19:41:36] | Anduin: | nasa: you probably need lirc_mceusb2 |
| [19:42:00] | Milosch: | yeah, 2 |
| [19:42:57] | Milosch: | juski: for a doctor or someone else with more money than sense, $200 per would be reasonable |
| [19:42:58] | nasa: | Thanks guys, fixing my /etc/sysconfig/lircd file now |
| [19:43:16] | juski: | for someone with more money than sense, MCE would be reasonable ;) |
| [19:43:32] | AMystery2: | I don't know many doctors that would agree to more than $100/hour unless you can show results worth that almost immediately. the ones I deal with are happy in the 50–100 range |
| [19:43:49] | nasa: | hmm.... still no /dev/lirc/0 device |
| [19:44:01] | Milosch: | juski: yes, but they can be convinced of how special their custom system would be using myth instead |
| [19:44:13] | AMystery2: | I'll be back when I run into another problem. have a good afternoon:) thanks for the help! |
| [19:44:17] | Milosch: | nasa: is the module loaded? |
| [19:44:21] | nasa: | yeah |
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| [19:45:06] | nasa: | but, I was just reading http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote which notes that lirc_mceusb2 must be loaded first.... Must fix up system to do that. |
| [19:45:52] | Milosch: | that was the module i was talking about |
| [19:46:29] | nasa: | well, nvm.... I should keep reading. (two people make notes disagreeing with each other). |
| [19:46:44] | nasa: | So, what would cause no /dev/lirc/0 to show up? |
| [19:47:35] | Milosch: | no device driver loaded |
| [19:47:53] | Milosch: | also be sure you're not needing /dev/lirc0 instead |
| [19:49:11] | nasa: | both drivers are loaded, verfied via /var/log/messages |
| [19:49:31] | Milosch: | can you do cat /proc/bus/usb/devices ? |
| [19:49:38] | Anduin: | nasa: what is your receiver device id? |
| [19:49:38] | Milosch: | make sure the device is seen |
| [19:50:30] | nasa: | strange, it's not seen |
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| [19:51:40] | Milosch: | try replugging it? |
| [19:51:56] | Milosch: | give it a few seconds disconnected |
| [19:52:40] | Milosch: | also, you'll need some other usb drivers loaded to get that far |
| [19:55:33] | nasa: | Milosch, trying that out right now (have to get in behind stereo equipment :{ ) |
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| [19:59:54] | weaselgod: | Hey all, I have a new box I just setup with MythTV .20 on Fedora Core 6. It works great, but when I try to play back HDTV my CPU's IOWait is VERY high (in the 30–40%) and thus my picture ends up a little choppy. Any ideas why I would have high IO Wait. The actual CPU is not very taxed here |
| [20:00:27] | zablalbaz: | Milosch: hey...got the remote thing completely figured out now...I needed to make sure my "button =" line for each button in the lircrc file was the same as in the /etc/lircd.conf file |
| [20:00:56] | zablalbaz: | thx for pointing me in the right direction |
| [20:01:01] | Milosch: | np |
| [20:01:12] | nasa: | Anduin && Milosch, — yeah, the usb device wasn't totally plugged in (enough to power it, not enough to have it recognized) |
| [20:01:26] | zablalbaz: | now I just need to figure out what button to program for the guide and I am set |
| [20:02:21] | Milosch: | zablalbaz: i used the livetv button here... |
| [20:02:46] | Milosch: | since it really didn't make sense anywhere... |
| [20:03:26] | zablalbaz: | Milosch: just so we are on same page, I mean the channel guide...where one can view the programs on several channels and scroll to select the one they want |
| [20:03:42] | zablalbaz: | the "main" guide I guess |
| [20:03:57] | Milosch: | yep |
| [20:04:18] | Milosch: | depends, maybe the big windows logo would be good for that |
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| [20:07:11] | zablalbaz: | Milosch: yep...that's the ticket... :-) |
| [20:07:21] | zablalbaz: | button = LiveTV |
| [20:07:39] | zablalbaz: | brings up a menu that allows me to select the program guide |
| [20:08:21] | Milosch: | well, for the menu i used the More button |
| [20:08:37] | Milosch: | with the little i on it |
| [20:08:55] | Milosch: | there is a channel.sh you can use for that |
| [20:08:56] | zablalbaz: | good idea |
| [20:09:31] | Milosch: | but then you'll need to add the remote for the directv box to lircd.conf as well, ime |
| [20:09:45] | zablalbaz: | You know...I'd rather use the serial connector to the low speed data port on my directv box instead...works great in windoze |
| [20:09:54] | Milosch: | ah |
| [20:10:09] | ** zablalbaz wonders if he can find the linux equivalent out there? ** | |
| [20:10:17] | Milosch: | any idea how to take the rc6 apart? i want to replace that windows logo |
| [20:10:53] | zablalbaz: | have you checked to see if there's any screws in the battery compartment? |
| [20:11:39] | Milosch: | only one, not enough to have it fall apart yet |
| [20:11:43] | Milosch: | nothing under the sticker |
| [20:11:59] | zablalbaz: | my gues is it's probably glued together then |
| [20:12:02] | zablalbaz: | yea |
| [20:12:09] | zablalbaz: | may not be worth it |
| [20:13:04] | zablalbaz: | did you get one of your buttons so it would go straight to the program guide instead of a menu that let's you select it? |
| [20:15:29] | Milosch: | actually, i do have a guide button |
| [20:15:41] | Milosch: | down and to the left of mute |
| [20:16:06] | zablalbaz: | my guide button just brings up info for the program on the current channel |
| [20:16:34] | Milosch: | config = S <-- for Guide |
| [20:17:03] | Milosch: | config = M <-- for Menu |
| [20:18:07] | Milosch: | menu is the more button upper right of the circle |
| [20:18:17] | Milosch: | logo button is Home |
| [20:18:28] | zablalbaz: | ahh...thx |
| [20:20:04] | Milosch: | btw, seems there is some overlap on my other hauppauge remote with my maganavox remote |
| [20:21:05] | zablalbaz: | yes...config = S got the program guide up |
| [20:32:21] | pac1: | I just burned my first dvd. the video works, but the picture is lots of little blocks rather than a smooth picture. It's also a lot smaller than I expected. 240 mb vs 2g or so for an hour. I suppose that small size is because its encoded at less than 720x480. Where should I go from here? |
| [20:33:21] | gardengnome: | pac1: you should check the tickets at http://svn.mythtv.org |
| [20:33:31] | gardengnome: | pac1: i think it's related of the bitrate handling of ffmpeg. |
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| [20:40:44] | pac1: | are there alternatives to ffmpeg for this? |
| [20:40:49] | vegeat: | I patched my lirc with the ir blaster support but now my remote doesnt work, can anyone help |
| [20:45:58] | vegeat: | okay never mind i got that to work |
| [20:46:05] | vegeat: | now i just need to get the channel change part to work |
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| [20:55:07] | doc_: | hi there |
| [20:55:25] | fryfrog: | hi! |
| [20:55:40] | vegeat: | w00t finally got it going |
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| [20:58:25] | vegeat: | dang filling the db takes awhile |
| [20:59:53] | Paladine: | god it is so fucking annoying when the tv stations don't start shows on time |
| [21:00:10] | Paladine: | they started jericho like 3 minutes early |
| [21:00:24] | fryfrog: | jericho is still on? |
| [21:00:30] | kharan5876: | can you exit the guide by using a different key than escape? I dont want to have the same key exit the guide and exit live tv mode. |
| [21:00:44] | Paladine: | it is repeating the pilot tonight which I missed on Friday |
| [21:01:03] | Paladine: | oh hang on, it wasn't early, that was the end of the last show hehehe |
| [21:01:05] | fryfrog: | ah, are they on a haietus like lost and heroes? |
| [21:01:15] | fryfrog: | i can't remember if i removed jerico from recording or not |
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| [21:01:18] | fryfrog: | i got a bit sick of the show |
| [21:01:26] | Paladine: | jericho premiered here in the UK on friday night |
| [21:01:29] | fryfrog: | OHHH |
| [21:01:30] | fryfrog: | UK |
| [21:01:32] | Paladine: | this is the first episode here |
| [21:01:33] | fryfrog: | :) |
| [21:01:41] | fryfrog: | sorry, its been on in the US for like... months :) |
| [21:01:45] | fryfrog: | the first few eps, i liked |
| [21:01:48] | Paladine: | yeah I know |
| [21:01:49] | fryfrog: | then it just... got suck |
| [21:02:22] | vegeat: | dang in mytv i get black bars on my video |
| [21:05:12] | fryfrog: | suckers :p |
| [21:05:18] | fryfrog: | i hate those star gate shows :p |
| [21:05:28] | fryfrog: | now, bsg... you guys can diaf for getting em first |
| [21:06:40] | Paladine: | so basically this jericho is about a nucleur apocolypse where just this one town (Jericho) survives? |
| [21:07:00] | fryfrog: | you want spoiler or no? |
| [21:07:08] | fryfrog: | i mean, should i pretend all i've seen is the first ep? |
| [21:07:14] | Paladine: | yeah |
| [21:07:19] | Paladine: | pretend you only seen first ep |
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| [21:07:43] | fryfrog: | Well, realistically any nuclear attack is going to leave a *lot* of surviving areas, but take out communications |
| [21:08:03] | Paladine: | yeah but this is ifction |
| [21:08:07] | fryfrog: | so probably, they just lost contact with the world and are part of a number of surviving towns around the country |
| [21:08:10] | Paladine: | look at lost :p |
| [21:08:14] | fryfrog: | ahah |
| [21:08:27] | fryfrog: | Jericho has been pretty "realistic" sort of |
| [21:08:34] | fryfrog: | i mean, lost is really a sci-fi fantasy thing |
| [21:08:42] | Paladine: | sounds like goo goo dolls doing the sound track? |
| [21:08:43] | fryfrog: | Jericho is very post-apocalyptic |
| [21:08:47] | fryfrog: | oh? |
| [21:08:51] | fryfrog: | i didn't even notice that |
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| [21:11:55] | vegeat: | im trying to use mythtv on a widescreen tv |
| [21:12:04] | vegeat: | how can i get ride of those black bars |
| [21:12:08] | vegeat: | on the left and right of picture |
| [21:12:39] | Hoxzer: | have you set your x to wide screen resolution? |
| [21:13:01] | Paladine: | or just get 2x 150s |
| [21:13:15] | Paladine: | (cheaper in the UK to get 2x 150s than buy the 500) |
| [21:13:27] | Hoxzer: | 2x 150s :( takes two pci slots |
| [21:13:29] | vegeat: | oppsi got it |
| [21:13:33] | tha_toadman: | i see – ok iis the quality different on either one? |
| [21:13:40] | vegeat: | i had to adjust the play backratio |
| [21:13:40] | fryfrog: | 2x PVR150 is *way* cheaper |
| [21:13:42] | Paladine: | and? |
| [21:13:49] | fryfrog: | you can get 3x PVR150 for the price of 1x PVR500 :) |
| [21:13:52] | Paladine: | it's not like pci slots are used for much nowadays |
| [21:13:56] | tha_toadman: | wow |
| [21:14:04] | tha_toadman: | no they really aren't |
| [21:14:04] | vegeat: | so sweeet |
| [21:14:05] | fryfrog: | the PVR500 *is* two PVR 150's on one card |
| [21:14:06] | vegeat: | okay |
| [21:14:21] | tha_toadman: | ok – 2x150's it is ;-) |
| [21:14:30] | vegeat: | i always have to type in modprobe lirc_i2c, lirc_dev, lirc_pvr150 |
| [21:14:34] | Hoxzer: | Paladine: :) I have: One network card, One wifi card, one DVB-C, |
| [21:14:41] | vegeat: | before lircd can start, is tehre a way i can do this automatically at boot |
| [21:14:49] | Hoxzer: | so it can take only oen more :) |
| [21:14:53] | tha_toadman: | how about a diskless frontend ... any recommendations? |
| [21:14:59] | Hoxzer: | and that is for my upcoming soundcard2 |
| [21:15:17] | Paladine: | Hoxzer, 99% of motherboards come with onboard LAN nowadays, so for most people the only things they are ilkely to have in PCI are wireless, tvcards or raid cards |
| [21:15:47] | Hoxzer: | Paladine: yeah, but my box works as a firewall too :) |
| [21:15:57] | Hoxzer: | so I need two network adapters |
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| [21:16:11] | vegeat: | hey, what bitrate do you guys recommend for live tv? |
| [21:16:15] | Paladine: | I have 2 onboard :p |
| [21:16:22] | fryfrog: | yeah, get 2 onboard :) |
| [21:16:24] | fryfrog: | or a dual nic nic |
| [21:16:35] | Paladine: | I also have dual raid onboard :) |
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| [21:16:47] | fryfrog: | Hoxzer: or go buy a stupid $50 router and save yourself the headache :) |
| [21:16:54] | fryfrog: | zounds, me toO! |
| [21:16:56] | fryfrog: | but i don't use it :( |
| [21:17:00] | fryfrog: | gigabyte mb? |
| [21:17:05] | Paladine: | yeah I use lvm |
| [21:17:12] | fryfrog: | cause they are sure to be the only one that has dual nic and dual raid :p |
| [21:17:13] | Paladine: | no asus |
| [21:17:19] | Hoxzer: | fryfrog: that is expensive :( |
| [21:17:24] | Paladine: | a8n sli deluxe |
| [21:17:44] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [21:17:51] | fryfrog: | SLI board for a myth server? |
| [21:18:03] | Paladine: | it is also my desktop |
| [21:18:06] | kermitthefrog918: | hey, why does mythtv use nuv? |
| [21:18:23] | Paladine: | Computer: kitiara | Distro: Ubuntu 6.10 "edgy" | Processor: 2.21Ghz | Model: AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+ | Memory: 2027MB Free: 1346MB [▀▀▀â–&euro ;▀▀▀â–&euro ;▀▀▀â–&euro ;▀▀] | Diskspace: 13.80GB Free: 9.00GB | Video: nVidia NV43 [GeForce 6600 GT] X2 @ 2560x1024 (24 bpp) | Net: Down: 1.87GB Up: 200.68MB |
| [21:18:59] | Hoxzer: | Paladine: diskspace :< |
| [21:19:03] | Paladine: | I need to fix that script to work with lvm |
| [21:19:20] | fryfrog: | Paladine: do you use SLI video cards in linux? |
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| [21:19:37] | Paladine: | I have SLI cards in but I don't have SLI enabled |
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| [21:19:44] | fryfrog: | ah |
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| [21:19:49] | fryfrog: | what do you use the 2 cards for? |
| [21:19:51] | fryfrog: | 4 monitors? |
| [21:20:01] | fryfrog: | or just some day to use SLI for a game or something? |
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| [21:20:53] | Paladine: | brb |
| [21:21:50] | ObiWanNubie: | chow can i make alsamixer changes permanent, everytime i reboot, my line in on mute ? |
| [21:22:12] | bmsleight: | juski: Still around ? |
| [21:22:34] | fryfrog: | ObiWanNubie: usually an option in the distro |
| [21:22:51] | fryfrog: | in gentoo, there was an /etc/init.d/alsa file with a "SAVEONREBOOT=yes" type setting |
| [21:24:32] | vegeat: | finally |
| [21:24:33] | vegeat: | my box works |
| [21:24:38] | vegeat: | i justneed to fine tune it now |
| [21:24:59] | vegeat: | i always have to type in modprobe lirc_i2c, lirc_dev, lirc_pvr150 |
| [21:25:02] | vegeat: | before lircd can start, is tehre a way i can do this automatically at boot |
| [21:25:17] | Paladine: | just 2x 19" LCDs at the moment, but I have a 3rd LCD (17") coming soon for a dedicated Myth/Cedega display |
| [21:25:23] | fryfrog: | vegeat: yeah, distro usually has a modules uaotload file |
| [21:25:32] | vegeat: | im using fedora |
| [21:25:50] | fryfrog: | sorry, don't know that one :( |
| [21:25:55] | fryfrog: | prolly like "/etc/modules*" |
| [21:26:00] | fryfrog: | do an ls and see if anything pops out |
| [21:26:09] | fryfrog: | like modules.d/ or modules.autoload.d/ or something |
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| [21:27:52] | vegeat: | hmm nothing like that |
| [21:29:17] | tha_toadman: | hey, if i didn't go with dual tuners, what you guys recommend? still a 150 hauppage card? |
| [21:29:54] | gardengnome: | juski: hey. this reminds me of zenegalircd: http://pastebin.ca/316671 |
| [21:30:13] | fryfrog: | tha_toadman: yeah, unless you wanting to do HD? |
| [21:30:23] | fryfrog: | tha_toadman: do you have a cable box now? does it have firewire output? |
| [21:30:39] | tha_toadman: | no cable box – thinking of dish in about a year or so |
| [21:30:51] | Paladine: | crap don't you hate it when you type and mythttv still has focus and you are in the middle of recording |
| [21:31:22] | gardengnome: | Paladine: that'd suck hard because my mythtv is running on a different box ;) |
| [21:31:23] | tha_toadman: | fryfrog: no HD i'm in a market where HD won't be here until 2009 :-P |
| [21:31:26] | vegeat: | 150s rock! |
| [21:31:38] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [21:31:45] | Paladine: | 150s do indeed rock |
| [21:31:48] | fryfrog: | tha_toadman: yeah, then the PVR150 is about the best choice |
| [21:31:50] | tha_toadman: | yeah – so SD for me for now |
| [21:32:04] | fryfrog: | later, if you go sat you can hook it to the pvr via the svideo cable |
| [21:32:11] | fryfrog: | but you won't get digital... just better quality |
| [21:32:18] | tha_toadman: | ok cool |
| [21:32:20] | Paladine: | we are switching to hd this year but we have a set top box with a hard drive in for that |
| [21:32:25] | Paladine: | my mythbox will still be sd |
| [21:32:27] | fryfrog: | I have my myth backend hooked to a pair of cable boxes over firewire, its a digital signal and it rules |
| [21:32:45] | fryfrog: | Paladine: know what kind of STB you'll end up with? |
| [21:33:03] | Paladine: | fryfrog, dunno it will be whatever one sky ship |
| [21:33:06] | fryfrog: | the Motorola DCT6412 is the DVR I have and it hooks up with MythTV very nice :) |
| [21:33:09] | fryfrog: | oh |
| [21:33:13] | fryfrog: | sorry, forgot you were a UK sucker :( |
| [21:33:17] | fryfrog: | short memory :) |
| [21:33:25] | tha_toadman: | do you think my spare pc — consisting of 800 P3, 256mb ram and a 20g HD would be sufficient with a 150 card in it? |
| [21:33:38] | tha_toadman: | for just single channel work |
| [21:34:23] | fryfrog: | as a backend, it could record from 4x pvr150s just fine |
| [21:34:32] | fryfrog: | well, maybe not 4 |
| [21:34:36] | tha_toadman: | really!? |
| [21:34:38] | tha_toadman: | :-P |
| [21:34:50] | fryfrog: | But I've done 4x PVR 250s on an athlon xp 1600+ which isn't *much* better |
| [21:34:50] | tha_toadman: | so it'd make a great backend server though |
| [21:35:05] | fryfrog: | 20G hd will be limiting, unless you plan on NFS mounting more space? |
| [21:35:09] | fryfrog: | 20G is about 10 hours |
| [21:35:22] | Paladine: | fryfrog, yhis is the current box they are shipping with HD packages http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SKY-HD-High-Definition- . . . cmdZViewItem |
| [21:35:56] | tha_toadman: | 10 hours is sufficient for now |
| [21:36:18] | Paladine: | its a thompson box |
| [21:36:20] | fryfrog: | it won't be :) |
| [21:36:21] | Paladine: | thomson |
| [21:36:32] | fryfrog: | but it'll be good enough for *testing* if you that is what you are doing with it? |
| [21:36:41] | Paladine: | tha_toadman, live tv takes up about 60GB for a day of tv |
| [21:36:55] | fryfrog: | I have 1.2TB and I want to throw in another 320G drive to the array :) |
| [21:37:01] | Paladine: | so ideally you want at least 100GB free |
| [21:37:01] | tha_toadman: | paladine: i'm only into like 3 shows tops |
| [21:37:14] | tha_toadman: | not a day's worth of tv |
| [21:37:15] | Paladine: | so why 2 tuners? |
| [21:37:43] | tha_toadman: | oh i was curious to see what you guys though about cost vs. quality, etc |
| [21:37:48] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [21:38:00] | Paladine: | pvr150 is about 3GB per hour of tv |
| [21:38:03] | fryfrog: | if all you plan on doing is *testing*, you might track down a $5 bttv card |
| [21:38:11] | fryfrog: | that way, you'll only be out $5 |
| [21:38:20] | fryfrog: | but the bttv cards *suck* compared to the pvr150 :) |
| [21:38:53] | tha_toadman: | ohhh i want the 150 – ~70 isn't too bad |
| [21:38:55] | fryfrog: | and the 800mhz box would probably only take one of them... and probably *couldn't* be a front end too |
| [21:38:58] | fryfrog: | 70? |
| [21:39:04] | tha_toadman: | bucks |
| [21:39:05] | fryfrog: | i thought the 150 was like $50? |
| [21:39:06] | tha_toadman: | us |
| [21:39:11] | vegeat: | hah |
| [21:39:13] | tha_toadman: | maybe it is |
| [21:39:14] | vegeat: | i wish it was 50dollars |
| [21:39:29] | Paladine: | froogle is your friend for pvr 150s |
| [21:39:35] | fryfrog: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . factory=1772 |
| [21:39:41] | tha_toadman: | yeah – newegg for sure |
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| [21:39:50] | fryfrog: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116633 |
| [21:39:55] | fryfrog: | $54 for that one |
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| [21:40:16] | tha_toadman: | i see that – no need for the MCE version right? |
| [21:40:27] | fryfrog: | nah, i think it only adds... FM? |
| [21:40:45] | tha_toadman: | ahh i have a receiver for that (fm that is) |
| [21:40:57] | fryfrog: | fm doesn't even work in myth anyway |
| [21:41:07] | fryfrog: | i mean, you'd have to use some external proggy for radio in linux with that card |
| [21:41:14] | Paladine: | I have digital radio through my set top box |
| [21:41:28] | fryfrog: | the *low profile* one might be useful if you were making a small front end |
| [21:41:29] | Paladine: | which Ican record via myth as it is just a regular channel but only sound |
| [21:41:34] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [21:42:33] | tha_toadman: | i'm thinking of setting up the backend pc here shortly (minus the tuner card) – what distro do you guys recommend? |
| [21:42:55] | tha_toadman: | i was thinking ubuntu server 6.10 – i have that running on my web server and it was a breeze to setup |
| [21:42:59] | Paladine: | you need a tuner in your backend |
| [21:43:09] | tha_toadman: | installed before I set it up? |
| [21:43:18] | Paladine: | well it helps |
| [21:43:39] | tha_toadman: | ok |
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| [21:43:50] | tha_toadman: | does the backend need sql too? |
| [21:43:57] | Paladine: | yes |
| [21:44:04] | Paladine: | well again, it helps |
| [21:44:22] | tha_toadman: | sure i gotcha |
| [21:44:50] | tha_toadman: | no – it'll be on the backend |
| [21:45:28] | tha_toadman: | unbuntu server – running mysql, mythtv .. anything else? would i need x on it too? |
| [21:45:36] | GreyFoxx: | Yes |
| [21:45:55] | tha_toadman: | ok |
| [21:46:21] | tha_toadman: | can someone recommend a good cheap frontend machine? diskless if possible? |
| [21:46:31] | Paladine: | if you are using ubuntu and planning to build from svn just do sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv |
| [21:46:45] | Paladine: | that will install all the relevant dependencies |
| [21:47:10] | tha_toadman: | oh yeah – that'll make life much easier |
| [21:47:17] | tha_toadman: | for sure |
| [21:47:30] | Paladine: | Iwould recommend installing mysql first before that though |
| [21:48:11] | tha_toadman: | oh yeah – unbuntu server 6.10 is a LAMP install...i'll just disable apache and maybe php though (unless someone thinks otherwise..) |
| [21:48:21] | fryfrog: | tha_toadman: might as well just use full blown ubuntu, you need X |
| [21:48:31] | Paladine: | well there is the mythweb plugin which uses apache and php |
| [21:48:32] | fryfrog: | leave apache and php, you'll want the mythweb :) |
| [21:48:36] | tha_toadman: | ohhh |
| [21:48:53] | fryfrog: | lets you manage recording schedules and programs and stuff |
| [21:48:54] | tha_toadman: | i'd love to use the 'extras' that it offers |
| [21:49:12] | Paladine: | I can recommend mythgallery and mythmusic too |
| [21:49:23] | tha_toadman: | fryfrog: why not just 'apt-get' x after installing the lamp..? |
| [21:49:29] | fryfrog: | mythvideo is nice :) |
| [21:49:32] | Paladine: | mythphone could use more work but it is useable |
| [21:49:38] | fryfrog: | tha_toadman: i guess that'd work |
| [21:49:39] | Paladine: | yeah mythvideo too |
| [21:49:55] | Paladine: | mythdvd is meant to be good too but I haven't installed it yet |
| [21:49:57] | fryfrog: | tha_toadman: when i tried it on LAMP, there was just so much stuff i needed to install |
| [21:50:06] | fryfrog: | it was easier to just do the normal install :) |
| [21:50:15] | GreyFoxx: | Core WAtch Recordings, and Mythvideo Video list, and finally the dvd play are by far the most used items on my frontends |
| [21:50:48] | tha_toadman: | no one has recommended anything for a frontend end yet... |
| [21:50:51] | Paladine: | mythgallery is fantastic for us because we have a 1yr old |
| [21:51:05] | Paladine: | so when family come round I can just set the gallery on slideshow and they get to see all the pics |
| [21:51:21] | GreyFoxx: | Paladine: Hehe We use that when family come over, but other than that we don't since we were actually there when the pics were taken heh |
| [21:51:38] | tha_toadman: | sounds pretty cool – i love the ability to have slideshows on a tv in the living room |
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| [21:51:55] | Paladine: | GreyFoxx, Iwas thinking of getting one of those 7" digital picture frames and seeing if it is modable to a myth frontend ;) |
| [21:52:25] | GreyFoxx: | Paladine: All of the ones Iv'e seen were dial only. I |
| [21:52:27] | Paladine: | would be great to run mythphone and mythgallery on those |
| [21:52:27] | GreyFoxx: | I' |
| [21:52:36] | GreyFoxx: | I'd love to get aset that were wifi |
| [21:53:09] | GreyFoxx: | I have a bunch of them around the house that constantly shift from picture to picture heh |
| [21:53:13] | Paladine: | you could make one with an itx box I guess |
| [21:53:18] | Paladine: | mount the display to the case |
| [21:53:34] | Paladine: | would be slightly bigger than the digital picture frames, but it would still rock |
| [21:53:43] | GreyFoxx: | Nah, I wanna just "stupid" frames that cycke through photos on a file share |
| [21:54:26] | Paladine: | just wait there will be wifi networkable ones within the next 12 months I expect |
| [21:54:34] | Paladine: | no-one wants to be limited to flash cards nowadays |
| [21:54:47] | juski: | wifi.. pleh |
| [21:55:03] | juski: | network over mains maybe |
| [21:55:14] | Paladine: | wifi is fine for me I have a 9dB internal antenna :p |
| [21:55:26] | juski: | did you fall on it? :-P |
| [21:55:26] | Paladine: | omni directional |
| [21:55:29] | tha_toadman: | fryfrog, paladine...thanks for all your info! i'm off to watch playoff football! :-D |
| [21:56:16] | Paladine: | np toad |
| [21:56:27] | juski: | one day I will play with wireless... one day |
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| [21:56:49] | scopeuk: | juski dont rush it |
| [21:56:51] | juski: | it'd be ok for a photoframe thing or a music player I suppose |
| [21:57:05] | scopeuk: | wait till n is "stable" then get a g spec router |
| [21:57:11] | scopeuk: | maby then the thing will be stable |
| [21:57:17] | juski: | nah |
| [21:57:27] | scopeuk: | consumer grade gear is justone fuck up after another |
| [21:57:31] | Paladine: | I would like wireless speakers |
| [21:57:35] | juski: | non-propriatary stuff is just a blip |
| [21:58:00] | scopeuk: | Paladine i have several diferent types like my fm onethe best my otheres tend to drift a little |
| [21:58:12] | juski: | I'd like wireless power & everything but I just don't see it being possible |
| [21:58:15] | Paladine: | scopeuk, wireless speakers? |
| [21:58:31] | Paladine: | aren't they like uber expensive? |
| [21:58:34] | scopeuk: | yes not wifi wireless but wireless linked to a transmitter |
| [21:58:43] | scopeuk: | my latest wireless speaker cost me £9 |
| [21:58:49] | juski: | everything has too many wires and all wireless does is temporarily unshackle you from them |
| [21:59:00] | scopeuk: | juski all wireless does is shorten the wires |
| [21:59:13] | scopeuk: | ihave 12 sockets in my room at uni and only one spare |
| [21:59:22] | scopeuk: | andthats becouse1/2 my chargers are in a draw |
| [21:59:23] | defend: | i got a wierd question i dont had a dsp or adsp but kde/mplayer plays sound what on earth is it using cause the internal player doesnt play any audo |
| [21:59:26] | Paladine: | scopeuk, what was the range limit the broadcasting authorities set on consumer fm transmissions recently? |
| [21:59:31] | Paladine: | I thought it was only about 5 feet>? |
| [21:59:44] | juski: | Paladine: I don't think it's law yet |
| [21:59:54] | scopeuk: | Paladine there bellow standard transmisson frequency 49.9 mhz iirc |
| [21:59:57] | GreyFoxx: | That's it ? |
| [22:00:08] | Paladine: | yeah it came in, those phones became legal |
| [22:00:13] | scopeuk: | in the uk they only jsut became legal at all fm transmitters that is |
| [22:00:15] | Paladine: | novemeber I think the new law went in |
| [22:00:28] | GreyFoxx: | I've got a tiny audio adaper that converts my mp3 player to a programmable fm channel. I get like 20 meters out of it |
| [22:00:39] | juski: | so those crappy in-car ipod fm modulators are legal now? whoopee |
| [22:00:47] | Paladine: | yeah juski |
| [22:00:50] | jduggan: | juski: yea, recently |
| [22:00:56] | Paladine: | november I think iirc |
| [22:01:00] | AngryElf: | they were illegal? |
| [22:01:02] | Dibblah: | "crappy" is in the ear of the beholder. |
| [22:01:05] | jduggan: | yea, it was all over the news |
| [22:01:06] | Paladine: | yes they were illegal |
| [22:01:07] | scopeuk: | yeh the wireless speaker i have on fm works on stupid distances diagonnally right across the house and our house hasmore electrical noise thn you would curse apon any rf design engineer |
| [22:01:09] | AngryElf: | i've mad mine for at least a year |
| [22:01:10] | jduggan: | AngryElf: they're fm transmitters |
| [22:01:12] | Paladine: | fm transmission is regulated in the UK |
| [22:01:25] | juski: | I used to run my own radio station from a 2 transistor 'bug' circuit.. had a range of over 2 miles |
| [22:01:35] | Dibblah: | Compared to the older non-integrated things, they're hifi. |
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| [22:02:01] | Dibblah: | FM is not regulated. |
| [22:02:03] | Paladine: | I'm not an audiophile, so I am happy with consumer quality sound :) |
| [22:02:15] | Dibblah: | The entire spectrum is. |
| [22:02:16] | Paladine: | fm is very regulated |
| [22:02:18] | juski: | yeh.. all broadcasting in the UK is regulated |
| [22:02:24] | Paladine: | yeah all is |
| [22:02:29] | Paladine: | but that doesn't mean fm isn't :p |
| [22:02:30] | jduggan: | YEA!! |
| [22:02:32] | jduggan: | ALL IS! |
| [22:02:33] | jduggan: | :o |
| [22:02:35] | juski: | if you so much as fart without a licence the feds will be all over you eventually |
| [22:02:37] | Dibblah: | They don't care what your modulation scheme is. |
| [22:02:53] | scopeuk: | fm transmitter for an mp3 player has to be inside the fm licened frequency band t work with your radio therfore could interfere with a licensed station |
| [22:03:11] | scopeuk: | hence was illegal |
| [22:03:21] | scopeuk: | took and still does take the piss but you know |
| [22:03:38] | scopeuk: | nice thing about my latest wireless speaker is that its waterproof so i can use it in the shower |
| [22:03:39] | juski: | OFCOM, formerly part of the DTI, formerly the Radio Investigation Service used to have vans.. now they just have listening stations & use Radio Direction Finding to locate you |
| [22:03:40] | scopeuk: | :-) |
| [22:03:55] | Dibblah: | Next thing you know is they'll sell off our TV stations. Oh, wait... |
| [22:04:04] | juski: | yeah |
| [22:04:05] | Paladine: | hehehehe |
| [22:04:22] | Dibblah: | juski: The role of the TV detector van is just a scarecrow. |
| [22:04:25] | juski: | well, gonna watch the rest of Terminator: RoTM :) |
| [22:04:26] | scopeuk: | think of what could be done with that band |
| [22:04:29] | juski: | Dibblah: I know that |
| [22:04:33] | Dibblah: | It's all about databases and assumption. |
| [22:04:41] | juski: | always was |
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| [22:04:44] | scopeuk: | which is why im on the tv enforcement database |
| [22:04:49] | Dibblah: | Guilty until proven licensed, and all that. |
| [22:04:54] | juski: | yep |
| [22:04:56] | scopeuk: | yup know the feeling |
| [22:05:06] | juski: | and no whining about the 'BBC' licence fee either |
| [22:05:08] | scopeuk: | get lettes need to get roudn to tellign them to sod off |
| [22:05:09] | Paladine: | mind you at least we are not in the US |
| [22:05:18] | Dibblah: | Nah. I'm OK with the license fee. |
| [22:05:22] | Paladine: | they just had the audio flag raise it's ugly head again this week |
| [22:05:53] | scopeuk: | yup |
| [22:05:54] | juski: | anyway.. T3 calls |
| [22:06:06] | scopeuk: | since when does the uk goventment need a valid reason for taxation |
| [22:06:18] | Dibblah: | Now, now. It's not a tax. |
| [22:06:20] | scopeuk: | direct taxation uk has lowest tax burden in europe jsut about |
| [22:06:27] | scopeuk: | unfurtuantely we have the highest indirect burden |
| [22:06:33] | scopeuk: | Dibblah it is |
| [22:06:50] | Paladine: | hehe we even get taxedon tax |
| [22:07:39] | Paladine: | we pay vat on fuel and tobaccoo (to name just 2) which are both heavily taxed |
| [22:07:40] | Dibblah: | Uhuh? Low taxes? |
| [22:07:45] | Paladine: | so tax on tax |
| [22:07:54] | Dibblah: | £191 council tax. |
| [22:07:58] | Dibblah: | That's not low. |
| [22:08:00] | Paladine: | per month? |
| [22:08:05] | Dibblah: | Yes. |
| [22:08:16] | scopeuk: | pint of beer costs less than 3 p to manufacture the rest is taxation and shiping |
| [22:08:21] | GreyFoxx: | "council tax" ? |
| [22:08:21] | Paladine: | for a 2 bedroom terrace |
| [22:08:33] | olds: | and profit |
| [22:08:34] | scopeuk: | GreyFoxx localised taxation bassed on the value of ones home |
| [22:08:47] | GreyFoxx: | oh, ok. Similar to our property taxes then |
| [22:08:51] | Dibblah: | Yeah, but you don't live in that little annex of England where high council taxes are OK because we have very few votes. |
| [22:08:58] | Paladine: | no we have property tax as well |
| [22:09:01] | Paladine: | when we buy a house |
| [22:09:06] | scopeuk: | Dibblah which annex? |
| [22:09:12] | Dibblah: | Scotland. |
| [22:09:12] | GreyFoxx: | Paladine: We pay yearly |
| [22:09:13] | scopeuk: | oh we have that 2 |
| [22:09:29] | Paladine: | we have death tax |
| [22:09:34] | scopeuk: | council tax is yearly we have stam duty when buyign a house |
| [22:10:15] | Paladine: | death tax is about 50% or something stupid isn't it? |
| [22:10:23] | Paladine: | or is that what they are trying to change it to? |
| [22:10:38] | scopeuk: | capital gains is retardedly high |
| [22:10:46] | Paladine: | yeah capital gains is insane |
| [22:10:54] | scopeuk: | buts its set on a threshold which is currently set well bellow the average property value in the uk |
| [22:11:15] | Paladine: | yah but the average property value is heavily scewed |
| [22:11:20] | scopeuk: | yeh |
| [22:11:35] | scopeuk: | becouse were more densly populated than any other european state and most of asia |
| [22:11:47] | scopeuk: | although propety prices are a scam |
| [22:11:58] | Paladine: | we have air tax too |
| [22:12:02] | scopeuk: | estate agnts set the prices keepignthem high is in there best intests |
| [22:12:04] | Paladine: | covered by car tax |
| [22:12:07] | Paladine: | (emissions) |
| [22:12:08] | scopeuk: | yup |
| [22:12:21] | scopeuk: | obviously income tax |
| [22:12:27] | Paladine: | national insurance |
| [22:12:32] | scopeuk: | then there are the "stealth" taxes |
| [22:12:33] | Paladine: | another 9–12% right there |
| [22:12:50] | Paladine: | tv tax |
| [22:13:02] | scopeuk: | yup |
| [22:13:21] | scopeuk: | quite like how my grandad talks about all this "dictator blair" |
| [22:13:24] | Paladine: | then there is compound vat |
| [22:13:28] | scopeuk: | yup |
| [22:13:34] | Paladine: | you buy a cheeseburger in mvd's and pay vat on it |
| [22:13:42] | Paladine: | you want to it it in mcd's you pay vat on it again |
| [22:13:55] | Paladine: | s/mvd's/mcd's |
| [22:14:02] | Paladine: | s/it/eat |
| [22:17:29] | GreyFoxx: | I haven't paid for my own internet connection since 97 when I last had dialup :) |
| [22:17:45] | Paladine: | I could offset 25% of our mortgage payments too |
| [22:17:49] | Paladine: | (did) |
| [22:17:52] | scopeuk: | technically ive never paied for one unless you count the one included with the rent of my flat |
| [22:18:09] | scopeuk: | first time ive lived on my own |
| [22:18:13] | Paladine: | electricity and heating bills |
| [22:18:15] | scopeuk: | kinda comes wit hthe teratory |
| [22:18:23] | Paladine: | I even got my double glazing written off |
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| [22:18:43] | Paladine: | needed to get double glazing fitted for security reasons |
| [22:18:50] | Paladine: | because all my work was at home |
| [22:18:55] | Paladine: | and it was a security sensitive job |
| [22:19:25] | Paladine: | you would be amazed what you can write off your taxes |
| [22:19:37] | Paladine: | thats why the 40k tax threshold doesn't mean anything at all |
| [22:20:01] | Paladine: | sure, you get taxed 40% once you go over the threshold, but anyone with half a clue who is earning over 40k doesn't pay anything like 40% |
| [22:20:10] | Paladine: | 15% if they have a crap account |
| [22:20:21] | Paladine: | closer to 10% if they have a decent accountant |
| [22:20:34] | Paladine: | s/account/accountant |
| [22:20:56] | scopeuk: | hmm and if yo ucount your accountants charges as a tax becouse thats the onyl reason your using them i assume its more like 50% there not exactly cheep |
| [22:20:59] | Paladine: | only poor people pay taxes |
| [22:21:09] | scopeuk: | always been the same hasent it |
| [22:21:21] | scopeuk: | your poor you cant buy us therfore we dotn give a shit |
| [22:21:45] | scopeuk: | democracy at work the rich get richer the poor get poorer government helps gdp by making it easier forthe rich toget richer quicker |
| [22:22:01] | Paladine: | yup |
| [22:22:12] | scopeuk: | and its all coverd under the rule by corparate proxy eg rule by government |
| [22:22:20] | awilkins: | Who says it helps GDP .. sure helps secure their powerbase though |
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| [22:22:39] | scopeuk: | corperations are manifestations of welth weath is a means by which to control a country |
| [22:22:58] | Paladine: | yeah otherwise known as lobbying |
| [22:23:05] | Paladine: | and money for questions |
| [22:23:06] | Paladine: | etc |
| [22:23:17] | awilkins: | Originally, they were just permission to do something useful |
| [22:23:35] | awilkins: | Like the "build this essential bridge corporation" |
| [22:24:21] | scopeuk: | bit of a joke |
| [22:25:14] | Paladine: | at least they can't tax my erb yet though :) |
| [22:25:18] | ** Paladine rolls one ** | |
| [22:25:33] | awilkins: | It would probably be cheaper though |
| [22:25:55] | Paladine: | well I would grow my own again, you don't get cheaper than that :) |
| [22:28:25] | Paladine: | I saw a 3d printer a couple of years back |
| [22:28:40] | awilkins: | It presumes a level of foresight and planning from the corporations that extends beyond the next stock report, so it's strictly a conspiracy theory. |
| [22:28:41] | Paladine: | was capable of building non mechanical objects |
| [22:28:54] | Paladine: | like chairs, tables, blocks tec |
| [22:28:59] | Paladine: | etc |
| [22:29:03] | awilkins: | THey had one on slashdot that you can build from parts for under $3000 |
| [22:29:28] | awilkins: | Makes things out of plastic. Or chocolate. |
| [22:29:58] | Paladine: | yeah plastic was the one I saw |
| [22:30:17] | awilkins: | Just imagine one that could build its own parts... |
| [22:30:20] | Paladine: | special super heated polymers coming out of inkjet type nozzles |
| [22:30:32] | Paladine: | aye |
| [22:30:43] | awilkins: | The corporations would piss themselves with fear. |
| [22:31:15] | Paladine: | print your own house bricks out of recycled mild bottles |
| [22:31:21] | Paladine: | milk |
| [22:31:26] | awilkins: | Heh |
| [22:31:46] | awilkins: | I've been reading the "make your house from old car tyres rammed with earth" book today |
| [22:32:10] | awilkins: | The earth retains solar heat so it doesn't need more than a small wood stove to heat it. |
| [22:32:17] | awilkins: | In winter. |
| [22:32:17] | Paladine: | we want to build our house out of those polystyrene bricks |
| [22:32:30] | awilkins: | The ones where you pour concrete into the middle? |
| [22:32:37] | Paladine: | yeah |
| [22:32:44] | Milosch: | http://www.fabathome.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page |
| [22:32:52] | awilkins: | That system does have the advantage of exploiting automation well – the concrete mixer does most of the work. |
| [22:32:57] | Paladine: | then you spray the outside with render |
| [22:33:22] | Paladine: | you can get concrete domes very very cheap as well |
| [22:33:29] | awilkins: | The Earthship (rammed earth tyres) thing is rather labour intensive – they reckon it takes two people about an hour to pack five tyres. |
| [22:33:39] | Paladine: | they inflate huge balloons and then spray concrete on them |
| [22:34:12] | awilkins: | I saw one guy that was designing a home made of those giant oval concrete sewer pipes buried in the ground |
| [22:34:29] | Paladine: | yeah they would rock |
| [22:34:36] | Paladine: | they are about 12" thick |
| [22:34:54] | Paladine: | you can build a concrete dome for under 20k USD |
| [22:34:59] | Paladine: | a decent sized dome at that |
| [22:35:17] | Paladine: | and as we all know, the dome is the most stable shape for a building |
| [22:36:01] | Paladine: | no matter which direction it receives a force from, it makes the structure stronger |
| [22:36:27] | gardengnome: | and they look like boobs. |
| [22:36:34] | Paladine: | that too |
| [22:38:38] | ** esandeen wonders if usb will cut it for /video ** | |
| [22:40:42] | Paladine: | Milosch, that site rocks |
| [22:40:49] | Paladine: | or rather that wiki rocks |
| [22:40:52] | Milosch: | yeah |
| [22:41:02] | Paladine: | wish they had an entry itemising costs though |
| [22:41:03] | Milosch: | esandeen: usb 2.0 should |
| [22:43:10] | esandeen: | Milosch, hmm i'll have to see if this box + linux is happy w/ usb2 |
| [22:43:14] | WZ__: | i have my crt monitor as screen 0 and my tv as screen 1. can anyone tell me how i start mythfrontend on screen 1 (tv) instead of screen 0 (monitor)? |
| [22:43:52] | Paladine: | Milosch, you ever thought about making one? |
| [22:44:01] | Milosch: | Paladine: only just now ;) |
| [22:44:05] | ** esandeen has firewire on the enclosure but not on the mobo & no more pci slots :) ** | |
| [22:44:47] | Milosch: | money is kind of tight about now |
| [22:45:52] | Milosch: | if you click the vendor links it sets up an order page, at least for McMaster Carr – $744 US |
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| [22:46:15] | Milosch: | 185 for the driver |
| [22:46:24] | Paladine: | big lack of designs too |
| [22:48:24] | Milosch: | they say $2500 US total |
| [22:48:36] | Milosch: | http://www.fabathome.org/wiki/index.php?title . . . of_Materials |
| [22:48:48] | Paladine: | Milosch, could save you that in furniture alone |
| [22:49:07] | Paladine: | imagine building all your closets, drawer units, entertainment cabinets etc |
| [22:49:14] | Milosch: | didn't look big enough to make people furniture, maybe doll furniture |
| [22:49:18] | Paladine: | modular designs |
| [22:49:26] | Paladine: | well you make them bigger :) |
| [22:50:03] | Paladine: | I don't think there is really a size restriction |
| [22:50:15] | Paladine: | you just make the machine bigger and have more memory for bigger models |
| [22:50:41] | Paladine: | be great for packaging too |
| [22:51:11] | Paladine: | and building containers |
| [22:51:46] | Milosch: | theirs seems to squeeze out the goo of your choice in 3d |
| [22:52:16] | Paladine: | yeah |
| [22:52:25] | Paladine: | I would go with polymers |
| [22:52:35] | esandeen: | if I could figure out how to crack open this seagate enclosure i'd just put it inside the box :) |
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| [22:53:44] | Milosch: | esandeen: hammer? |
| [22:57:12] | esandeen: | oh I suppose that would technically open it :) |
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| [23:04:09] | kijutsu: | Is there a compatability list somewhre for MythTV? |
| [23:05:07] | Paladine: | Milosch, http://groups.google.com/group/fabathome-foru . . . ff7eedc776a6 <- check out the last post there (added today) looks like someone is about to start selling kits |
| [23:05:17] | scopeuk: | kijutsu not explicitly for myth |
| [23:05:31] | scopeuk: | there is for various aspects namely tv cards inthe form of video for linux wiki iirc |
| [23:06:29] | kijutsu: | Okay. Then why would it keep dropping back to the capture card setup screen after selecting which card to use as default? |
| [23:07:08] | scopeuk: | i have no idea someone else here might be able to help |
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| [23:07:55] | esandeen: | kijutsu, probably not a hardware problem, but what is the hardware? |
| [23:08:06] | kijutsu: | MSI TV@nywhere Plus |
| [23:08:30] | esandeen: | hmm dunno that one offhand... |
| [23:09:05] | kijutsu: | Simplistic Tuner-on-chip with composite and s-video input, and FM radio |
| [23:09:27] | esandeen: | http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/CARDLIST.saa7134 seems to say it works with the saa7134 driver, odds are if you get to the point wehre your /dev/video* works it's fine |
| [23:09:44] | kijutsu: | as I said earlier, it works fine with TVTime. |
| [23:09:54] | esandeen: | oh. |
| [23:10:01] | esandeen: | missed that :) maybe look at the myth logs? |
| [23:10:20] | kijutsu: | /var/log/mythtv*? |
| [23:10:37] | esandeen: | is this in mythtvsetup, or mythfrontend setup menus that you see the problem? |
| [23:10:47] | esandeen: | on my box mythfrontend doesn't log activity w/o extra commandline args |
| [23:10:49] | kijutsu: | I ran mythtv-setup |
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| [23:17:39] | Paladine: | Milosch, you can buy conductive circuit writing ink too, so you could fabricate something with built in circuits and remove the need for wiring :) |
| [23:17:55] | Paladine: | which is pretty damn cool |
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| [23:20:24] | juski: | interesting :) |
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| [23:20:56] | Paladine: | juski, would be great for building "almost" wireless computer cases :) |
| [23:21:07] | AMystery: | I have returned to seek guidance from the experts |
| [23:21:08] | Paladine: | well they could literally be wireless |
| [23:21:25] | Paladine: | you could embed sockets that drive plug straight into |
| [23:21:32] | Paladine: | drives |
| [23:22:00] | Paladine: | and the PSU could plug into an embedded panel which routes the power through the rest of the case to the relevant components |
| [23:22:11] | AMystery: | I've designed some things like that but so far none of them have gone anywhere. |
| [23:22:12] | Paladine: | so you would have very few wires in the case :) |
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| [23:22:58] | AMystery: | you end up needing a very extensible modular protocol that can handle everything from power to data. let me know if you perfect it, I want one:) |
| [23:23:25] | Paladine: | it is perfectly conceivable |
| [23:23:32] | Paladine: | would just take time and dedication to do it |
| [23:24:09] | Paladine: | you could already do it with acrylic |
| [23:24:23] | Paladine: | just router very fine channels into the sheets for data and power cables |
| [23:24:33] | Paladine: | then insert the wire |
| [23:24:35] | AMystery: | you could do it once, but I am talking about an easy to use modular design that anyone can do, not a one off custom job |
| [23:24:44] | Paladine: | and use a glue gun or something similar to goover the top |
| [23:25:04] | AMystery: | it would be pretty once but I want a system where I can just stick any device I want into any hole and it will work, whether it is a PSU or a monitor |
| [23:25:25] | Paladine: | imagine shiedling each wire in UV sensitive heat shrink |
| [23:25:37] | Paladine: | that would rock when you turn on the UV light :) |
| [23:26:07] | Paladine: | I am tempted now :) |
| [23:27:48] | AMystery: | well, I have made progress with my myth install. Unfortunately progress means I have a full screen of static, but at least I have channel listings |
| [23:28:09] | Paladine: | you selected the correct input in mythtv-setup? |
| [23:28:55] | AMystery: | pretty sure. I have two cards, I am only using the coax tuner on either and I selected Tuner 1 which I think is the coax, since it isn't the component or svideo |
| [23:29:31] | AMystery: | right now I think I am watching static using the pvr350. how do I switch to watching something using the other card? |
| [23:29:46] | Paladine: | not sure I only have 1 card |
| [23:29:51] | AMystery: | bear in mind I have never used myth before |
| [23:32:27] | AMystery: | ok, i managed to schedule recordings on two channels so that means both cards are going and when watching tv (which tells me it is using the other card) I still have static |
| [23:32:46] | AMystery: | so what I need is a way to test if the cards are properly detected and working in linux, then check in myth |
| [23:36:11] | AMystery: | linux needs save points....I always go just a little too far and get eaten by a grue |
| [23:37:00] | Dibblah: | It does. They're called backups ;) |
| [23:37:18] | AMystery: | you mean people still use those?:) |
| [23:37:31] | Dibblah: | AMystery: Pressing Y changes cards. |
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| [23:40:45] | rtsai: | xris: remember awhile ago how I tried to patch mythweb to avoid duplicate channel listings (by callsign, or channel name, or ...)? |
| [23:41:26] | D7kb: | damn, this epia 600mhz c3 box doesn't seem to have enough strength to do anything good |
| [23:41:49] | rtsai: | I now think that xmltvid is the way to go for preventing channel duplicates, but I don't think mythweb uses them at all. |
| [23:42:43] | AMystery: | and now is when I need a save point...on reboot fsck died. file system check failed. |
| [23:42:47] | vegeat: | i lubs my mythtv box |
| [23:42:48] | vegeat: | hehe |
| [23:42:56] | esandeen: | has anyone seen artifacts at the top or bottom of the letterbox video when watching HDTV? |
| [23:43:29] | esandeen: | ------------------------------------------------ |
| [23:43:29] | esandeen: | | | |
| [23:43:29] | esandeen: | | | |
| [23:43:32] | esandeen: | sorta like that |
| [23:43:34] | Paladine: | woah napster have bought AOL Music |
| [23:43:38] | esandeen: | line of pixels where it shouldn't be |
| [23:43:40] | Paladine: | didn't see that coming |
| [23:44:22] | xris: | rtsai: backend uses callsign, so mythweb should, too |
| [23:45:17] | vegeat: | lol |
| [23:45:26] | vegeat: | i see nothing |
| [23:48:18] | D7kb: | who uses a via epia me6000 for mythtv? |
| [23:53:23] | esandeen: | AMystery, i think in linux that's called "backups" |
| [23:53:26] | AMystery: | i think that install is hosed. on second reboot modprobe went into fits, but on the plus side, that is now the closest I have come to a working install |
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| [23:56:46] | braniff: | AMystery, the MythDora distro purports to make MythTV installations easy |
| [23:57:25] | AMystery: | I'll give it a look. I have nothing to lose:) |
| [23:57:41] | braniff: | i installed a semi-working mythtv box in like an hour with it |
| [23:58:05] | vegeat: | crap |
| [23:58:09] | vegeat: | now my ir blaster doesnt work |
| [23:58:10] | vegeat: | after reboot |
| [23:58:12] | braniff: | trying to use my pvr150 to change channels caused me problems — but i think i'm an atypical case |
| [23:58:34] | AMystery: | nothing wrong with being atypical, as long as you are easily amused |
| [23:59:05] | braniff: | computers are kind of a hobby for me |
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