Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, January 12th, 2007, 00:02 UTC

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adante:

hi, how appropriate would it be for me to add my experiences with a particular card to the mythtv wiki?

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adante:

i personally think the information would be useful, but it wouldn't be particularly empirical

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xris:

adante: if you think it might be helpful to other people, then add it.

[00:06:43]

xris:

SlicerDicer-: so I had one of my cable boxes go all non-talkative on me the other day

[00:07:02]

xris:

have to get daniel to add that firewire priming stuff pre-recording for everything

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: you had problems like I was discussing?

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: not sure specifically. had to rerun firewire_tester a few times and it was fixed.

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** SlicerDicer- is trying to figure out non-talkative meaning like spitting no data? **

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xris:

has been fine since

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xris:

no data, correct

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xris:

but re-primed and it worked fine

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SlicerDicer-:

thats my problem right there

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SlicerDicer-:

it should not exist its easy enough to fix :/

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IamEthos:

and does myth frontend have to be running for a program to be recorded?

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GreyFoxx:

no

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IamEthos:

didn't think so

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Aurelius:

hm

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Devn:

Does mythtv compiled with frontend only need mysql running to work?

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Scopeuk_:

there has to be a mysql server but not on the front end

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Scopeuk_:

eg your existing backend db

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janneg:

Devn: compiling mythtv with frontend/backend only is not supported. please don't use it

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ShorTie:

any nice setup howto's around?

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Scopeuk_:

ShorTie what distro you using?

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ShorTie:

gentoo

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Devn:

janneg: even if it's gentoo compiling and not myself?

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xris:

Devn: regardless, it needs mysql to be running

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mendicant:

What's a safe way to kill mythbackend?

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** xris recommends a crossbow **

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kormoc:

Devn, now, mysql needs to be running, but not on the same machine, so if you have a remote mysql server, that would work too

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mendicant:

har har.

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Devn:

xris: but it can be on the same box running the backend, right?

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kormoc:

Devn, sure could

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xris:

Devn: that's what most people do

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Devn:

kormoc: yeah ok. stupid gentoo just wants to install mysql no matter what..

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kormoc:

Devn, yes, it's a *compile* time depend

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kormoc:

Devn, you need it installed to compile myth, no matter what

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Aurelius:

hrm, i wish i could grab the frames from /dev/video0, do an overlay, and then resend them out another file :)

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kormoc:

Aurelius, no one is stoping you

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** kormoc cracks the whip **

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Devn:

mythtv can't even compile without mysql ?!

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xris:

Devn: you do need the mysql libraries, or mythtv can't be compiled to know how to talk to mysql

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Aurelius:

kormoc: i'm trying to use videodog, but it won't loop

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kormoc:

Devn, correct, no it can not

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Aurelius:

keep getting http://paginas.terra.com.br/informatica/gleic . . . g0.31.tar.gz

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Aurelius:

err

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** xris blames gentoo for not offering -devel type packages. :) **

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kormoc:

Devn, you also need to build QT with mysql support, which also required mysql

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Aurelius:

VIDIOCGMBUF: Device or resource busy

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cecil:

mendicant: depends on your distro... perhaps /etc/init.d/myth<tab> stop

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mendicant:

thanks.

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Milosch:

yea, mythfrontend actually working from another machine

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Devn:

kormoc: ok. I though I could do some kind of light install on the client. Guess I'll just do the same as on the server.

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GreyFoxx:

dev: QT links the mysql client libraries, and myth needs qt with mysql support

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Devn:

GreyFoxx: yes. I got it. thanks

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cecil:

you're welcome

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kormoc:

Devn, you can unmerge mysql after myth/qt is built, but on any update, you'll need mysql again

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kormoc:

Devn, also please note the big warning about the frontend only use flag that portage outputs

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Devn:

kormoc: what's the warning about? I'm about to install without the frontendonly flag.

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kormoc:

"You are using the experimental feature for only installing the frontend. You will not get Gentoo support nor support from MythTV upstream for this. If this breaks, you own both pieces."

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braniff:

what's the best bittorrent client these days ??

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Devn:

kormoc: hehe. no point in using using that flag then.

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Devn:

braniff: the official one

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scopeuk:

always been a fan of bit tornado myself

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braniff:

"bit tornado"? i like that name...

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braniff:

i'm about to download mythdora off of bittorrent, since atrpms is slow

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scopeuk:

what use to be knows as the shadows experimental client

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Devn:

braniff: you should specify if you want a GUI or not.

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scopeuk:

Devn all the best clients have both

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Devn:

even though I would call curses a GUI >:)

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Devn:

scopeuk: some only have CLI, they might not be relevant then.

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scopeuk:

i quite liek cli progams as long as i can signal them for settigns changes on a long haul

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Aurelius:

kormoc: is it even possible to just take the frame s from the /dev/video0 device, put text overlay on them and then pump the exact frames back out on a fifo on the filesysteM?

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Aurelius:

can myth read from such a fifo?

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kormoc:

I don't think myth can read a fifo

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kormoc:

but you could code in a 'special' one

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Aurelius:

?

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kormoc:

you could write a special device node that just reads from a fifo and prenteds to be a v4l device for myth to read from

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mendicant:

Does anybody have this sound card working with Myth? Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07). I keep getting live audio.

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kormoc:

mendicant, follow the mythtv docs on setting up your sound card

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mendicant:

Maybe I'll just try to put in another card and see if I can get it working with my spare.

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kormoc:

you have to go into capture mode in alsamixer

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kormoc:

f3 is the key I believe

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kormoc:

f2 goes back to playback

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Aurelius:

ugh, wish i could code well enough to do that

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mendicant:

Yeah, Kormoc. I know. I mean, Inside the Capture tab I have an actual slider called Capture.

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kormoc:

mendicant, and in playback, you have capture, line-in and mic muted?

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mendicant:

Can't mute Capture

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mendicant:

Won't let me

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kormoc:

move the volume slider to 0

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mendicant:

Wait, "Capture" is supposed to be visible from Playback, too?

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mendicant:

I can only see it in the Capture tab

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mendicant:

Breakthrough. Somewhat.

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mendicant:

Setting /dev/dsp2 as my device causes an echo.

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mendicant:

"aplay /dev/dsp2" echoes what is being played Live

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mendicant:

AC97.

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mendicant:

Haha.

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mendicant:

AC97 needs to be muted in playback and my device needs to be set to /dev/dsp2. Thanks Kormoc.

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kormoc:

ahh, nifty

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savageone:

hey guys

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savageone:

I'm having a samba issue w/ permissions on my mythbox anyone around that can help?

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savageone:

basically I don't have permissions on the share to create files or folders

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savageone:

I'm using knoppmyth

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savageone:

also, I think it may have to do w/ me having to run mount on my hda3 every time I reboot so my myth dir shows the right stuff

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scopeuk:

any onwk now of a good place to get hold of dual socket 940 boards in the uk

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scopeuk:

by good i mean resonable prices

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ShorTie:

so no good howto's around?

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D7:

is it possible to control mythtv with a gamepad?

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ShorTie:

vdr is so much easier, lol.

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D7:

vdr?

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SeaWeed:

Any can help With best Setting on ( myth ) useing ( DP TWin LNB into a DP 34–500 Switch ) With nexus Card i get great signal but it Fails to lock on Channel

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ShorTie:

ya video disk recorder

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ShorTie:

like myth without the eye candy, lol.

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D7:

that does not answer my question

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ShorTie:

gamepad 1?

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ShorTie:

no idea

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ShorTie:

can't even get myth to work, lol.

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GreyFoxx:

D7: Yes, you can configure it to use a joystick to navigate the menus

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D7:

thank you

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Joystick_Control

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D7:

now, will it be able to do video playback and music on an epia 600mhz mini itx box?

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GreyFoxx:

no clue about performance on that :)

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savage1:

d: I have but it's not ideal

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D7:

heh

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D7:

it's pretty weak

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savage1:

I replaced it with a used 2.8 ghz p4

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savage1:

its not bad...

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savage1:

makes a better frontend then a frontend backend combo

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savage1:

imo

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Devn:

I'm a bit confused about how to install XGL and beryl. I havn't done it before. I've head the gentoo wiki is out of date. Do I have to use layman? Can anyone tell me where to find the latest XGL docs?

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Devn:

gah. wrong channel.

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Devn:

oops

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Devn:

Hate when this happens with terms logged on to remote servers ;)

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empty:

okay so I have mangled closed captions. Hardware hasn't changed. Had it all working fine on Ubuntu. Recently rebuilt the system using gentoo and now they're mangled (they show up but letters are all screwy and say things like the station ID over and over). Captions in ripped DVD's show up fine. Where do I begin?

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DVBMark:

First attempt at doing TV Out via SVID on my NVIDIA card, on a remote. Pic is real grainy but viewable. Anyone have any tips

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cyanid3:

When I start up the tv viewer on my mythtv box it's just a blank screen, what could be wrong?

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xris:

cyanid3: -v all

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kormoc:

with that specific a issue, it could be one of a bazillion things

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cyanid3:

yeah, that's what i feared

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cyanid3:

thanks for the tip xris

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xris:

cyanid3: that's the first thing you can do to help track down the issue.

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cyanid3:

alright, the box is in another room, but I'll be back in a minute with some info

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empty:

anyone have any ideas about my caption problem?

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savageone:

hey guys

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savageone:

I'm having an fstab issue

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savageone:

I've got /dev/hda3 /myth auto defaults,auto 0 2 in there for my myth directory

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savageone:

but the user mythtv doesn't have permission to edit or create or delete anything inn /myth

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savageone:

is it something to do with that 0 2 there?

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savageone:

I did a man fstab and I still don't get it

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madd_matt:

savageone, you need to change the permissions on the folder. Your fstab is fine

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savageone:

k

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savageone:

what do those numbers mean tho?

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savageone:

so just chmod myth?

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s0medude:

someone help me with the sound issue ?

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savageone:

alsamixer?

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savageone:

somedude?

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s0medude:

i get video but no sound i used alsamixer and pumped it up on all but still no sound

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savageone:

are you sure none of them are on mute

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savageone:

u gotta hit m to unmute

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savageone:

madd: I did chmod 777 /myth and no dice

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savageone:

I suppose that's the wrong command

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s0medude:

mm is mute

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savageone:

yup

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savageone:

that work?

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s0medude:

shucks that simple

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s0medude:

let me see if it works

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s0medude:

how do i permanently save this setting

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savageone:

just leave it

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savageone:

it'll stay it's the mixer

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savageone:

it worked?

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savageone:

i felt stupid the first time i did that too rofl

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s0medude:

on second screen of install waiting for frontend to appear

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s0medude:

if this works i will jump out of screen and hug u

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savageone:

sweet

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cyanid3:

alright, where's a good place for me to put this output from "-v all" ?

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cyanid3:

pastebin?

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savageone:

chmod -R 777 /myth

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savageone:

got it

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cyanid3:

here it is: http://pastebin.ca/313824

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savageone:

k now my next issue is my "master backend server" isnt running

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savageone:

it's a single frontend/backend combo

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s0medude:

no, savageone, no sound still :-(

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sandeen_:

anyone know if mythphone can operate w/ jabber, or iChat, or ..?

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sandeen_:

I see that it does SIP so presumeably I can use it for... phone calls .... but i'm not sure how the video bits work

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madd_matt:

SIP can do video, I think.

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sandeen_:

yep, though I dunno what other services use it

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sandeen_:

I have a mac, and use iChat so my kids can see cousins, I'd love to make it work w/ mythphone... thinking maybe that doesn't work though...

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madd_matt:

I've never used SIP, mainly because I don't know anybody else that does :P. I think you should probably just stick to iChat :P

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sandeen_:

i suppose

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sandeen_:

i use sip for my VOIP but that's another story

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sandeen_:

though I may see if I can use my tv for a phone anyway :)

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sandeen_:

does anyone do "perfect" dvd rips & play back w/ digital audio via the builting player? I can't make sound work right...

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** sandeen_ thought bash was open... **

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cyanid3:

yeah, use chmod

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cyanid3:

whoops

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s0medude:

savageone, any other opiton ?

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savage1:

bingo?

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Anduin:

bingo

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savage1:

that directory doesnt exist

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Anduin:

savage1: then create it or change the temp directory in the settings

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savage1:

nice

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savage1:

I just made the directory

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savage1:

troubleshooting is run

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savage1:

I'm gonna go drink a beer while fear and loathing in las vegas finishes copying ;)

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savage1:

thanks for all your help seriously

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tripppy:

the tv_grab_au script is broken. how do i update to the new one?

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esandeen:

hmmm

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esandeen:

"AutoExpire: ERROR when trying to autoexpire file: /video/1502_20070110205905.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed."

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esandeen:

wonder how to get rid of those?

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Anduin:

esandeen: If you are running a new enough version, you can just manually delete them in the frontend to remove the metadata.

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esandeen:

Anduin, hmm i'll try that

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DVBMark:

what is recommended for remote frontends, nfs or samba?

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kormoc:

neather

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kormoc:

it will stream automatically

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DVBMark:

ya just thought it was more stable to setup nfs shares

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DVBMark:

or something

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DVBMark:

I am streaming now

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kormoc:

not really any better

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DVBMark:

k

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DVBMark:

what bout for mythvideo, nfs better bandwidth management?

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kormoc:

I like NFS, aye

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DVBMark:

okies

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DVBMark:

need more mce remotes heh

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Aurelius:

hrm

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Aurelius:

anyone here a myth developer?

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Anduin:

jordo23: for standard def many use the Hauppauge x50/500 cards.

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jordo23:

Anduin: Are they pretty supported under lInux?

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Aurelius:

ivtv

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Anduin:

jordo23: Yes, not yet in the kernel, but soon, yes ivtv, been working for years.

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jordo23:

Anduin Aurelius: Thanks guys, I will check them out.....

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Aurelius:

np

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jams:

hi Anduin

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Aurelius:

now i need to get video overlay that can be recorded on the video hehe

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Anduin:

hello jams

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Aurelius:

Anduin: does the teletext code put the text at a certain location?

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Aurelius:

i haven't looked into it yet

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Anduin:

Aurelius: I don't know

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QuickOrbit:

hey all.

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QuickOrbit:

I have comcast digital cable (not HDTV) is there a tv tuner card i can get that decode all channels (including hbo) so i dont have to use the cable box and a ir link

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scott_:

negative

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x86:

stickyicky: you betta share! :)

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** kormoc blinks **

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x86:

kormoc: so i picked up an eVGA e-Geforce 6200 w/ 256mb RAM

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x86:

kormoc: AGP version

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QuickOrbit:

so, scott, are there any options other than to have an ir link to the cable box :-/

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x86:

kormoc: went to get a DVI cable, but circus city wanted freakin $99.99 for the _cheapest_ DVI cable they had

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kormoc:

scott_, upgrade to hd and use firewire

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kormoc:

erm

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kormoc:

QuickOrbit, upgrade to hd and use firewire

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QuickOrbit:

sorry kormoc, i am not very familiar with hd, would that let me control the cable box from mythtv without having to use ir and such?

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kormoc:

QuickOrbit, if you get a supported cable box, aye

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kormoc:

QuickOrbit, you don't even need a capture card

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QuickOrbit:

thats sweet, i wonder if comcast offers such a box in my area

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x86:

kormoc: how does that work?

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QuickOrbit:

thanx kormoc

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kormoc:

QuickOrbit, by law, if you subscribe to hd, they have to provide a firewire capable box on your request

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x86:

kormoc: no shit?

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x86:

kormoc: that's awesome!

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kormoc:

QuickOrbit, and most of those work fine. There is a small chance that they'll down sample the signal though the box, but most people don't seem to have that issue

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kormoc:

x86, aye, it's a great thing the fcc did

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QuickOrbit:

sweet. i don't have a hdtv yet. i wonder if it would be worth it.

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x86:

kormoc: so MythTV can capture from firewire then?

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kormoc:

yes

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kermitthefrog911:

hello everyone. I am trying to get transcoding to work, but i can't figure out how

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QuickOrbit:

sorry for the barrage of questions, kormoc, but if i did that, would hd channels come in just down sampled on my non-hdtv?

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kermitthefrog911:

is there a way to transcode an already recorded file? the only time i see transcode currently available is auto-transcode

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kormoc:

Aye, when you would play them back, myth would resize them to fit, aye

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kormoc:

kermitthefrog911, yes there is a way, go left on the file and in the menu that pops up, it's in there

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QuickOrbit:

thanks much kormoc. have a good one.

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x86:

bbl

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kermitthefrog911:

k hold on, let me try it

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kermitthefrog911:

ok, im currently recording, so that job got queued

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DVBMark:

is there a good wiki on setting up your transcoding profiles?

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DVBMark:

I know it tells ya the info where they are etc etc

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DVBMark:

but I am not a video expert and just curious if something helped ya with some optimal settings

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Aurelius:

does mythtv record what's on the OSD?

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Aurelius:

hm, nm... since they are split front n' back, i guess it wouldn't

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kormoc:

no

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DVBMark:

Is there any way to block certain channels in myth? kinda like a parental control?

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Aurelius:

i remember reading something like that

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juski:

morning

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kormoc:

boot

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xris:

I might actually have to go to work tomorrow.

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juski:

apparently someone has been browsing my site with the SeaMonkey browser. wtf?!

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Dibblah:

Why, what's wrong with SeaMonkey?

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juski:

I hadn't even heard of SeaMonkey til today :)

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Dibblah:

Heh :)

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hads:

Mozilla

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Dibblah:

Hmmm. Anyone any idea how to do a frame grab from a go7007 based device?

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juski:

stream or bust?

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Dibblah:

Yeah, I guess. Then find something to convert it to frames from there.

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juski:

damn. I have to get xorg 6.8 to use IEGD

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juski:

just seen the time.. have to go to work!

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stuarta:

hahaha!

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juski:

morning stuarta

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stuarta:

morning juski

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Bernardo:

good morning

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Bernardo:

anyone else having problems with the short timeout waiting for the find_grabbers?

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stuarta:

nope. go have a chat to gbee in #mythtv

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Bernardo:

ok, thanks

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Dibblah:

stuarta: You any idea of Daniel's current work with the scanner?

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Dibblah:

I assume he's integrating the new isencrypted type stuff...

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stuarta:

not really, he hasn't said what he's planning.

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Dibblah:

Damn these people that actually do stuff and don't join the fun on IRC ;)

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stuarta:

though janneg might have an idea

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stuarta:

since he's been doing the encryption stuff for the signalmon

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** Bernardo suddenly worries if his cable provider will block the mac address of a unknown dvc-c card **

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Dibblah:

Bernardo: That's not going to happen.

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Dibblah:

For some very obvious reasons.

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Dibblah:

However, depending on your country, they could just come round and arrest you.

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Bernardo:

possibly

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** stuarta notices another 1600 unread emails :( **

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Bernardo:

at least do a search of my place to see if I'm decoding any encrypted channel

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Dibblah:

(DVB-c cards are recieve only. However TDM will tell them you plugged in an unauthorised device.

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Dibblah:

... If they decide to check.

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Bernardo:

well, in that case I'm not worried

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Bernardo:

I'm protected by the plain incompetence of the cable company

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Dibblah:

Where it comes to money, hardly any company is grossly incompetant.

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Dibblah:

... for long, anyway.

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Bernardo:

not here in pt

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Bernardo:

as long as there is a monopoly

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Bernardo:

and the company has "friends"

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Bernardo:

stuarta: thanks, I see the timeout change has been commited to svn

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janneg:

Dibblah: yes, he will integrate the encryption check. He has other plans too, but I don't which

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Dibblah:

Sounds fun. Some channels change enc. status might be the only problem, but those aren't really going to be problematic, I think.

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Dibblah:

(Since most people don't really want to record the freeview at midnight thing)

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stuarta:

not that it's encrypted anyway....

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Bernardo:

can anyone point me to a good howto on identifying and installing a media center lcd and keys?

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Dibblah:

stuarta: No, I mean that it is encrypted all the time, except from 00:00–00:30 type thing. In which case, it won't be added by the scanner.

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janneg:

except when scanned between 00:00 00:30

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stuarta:

Dibblah: thought you were talking about different channels ;-)

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stuarta:

like those with a 10 minute freeview....

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Dibblah:

Can't think of any other channels offhand that change enc. status.

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Dibblah:

And of course, CAM interaction (menus) is still an issue.

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janneg:

yes, and it is painful. we have to tunnel the cam messages over mythproto

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stuarta:

nasty.

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janneg:

transcoding hdtv from h264 to mpeg is also painful. 11fps

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stuarta:

you're lucky, i only get 3–4 fps

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janneg:

with the athlon64 3200? Are you still on 32bit?

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stuarta:

sadly yes.

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stuarta:

i have issues running dual head with the opensource ati drivers

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stuarta:

i'm going to give it another bash when i have space in the recording schedule

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janneg:

my x2 3800 shouldn't be much faster since the decoding and encoding is in a single thread

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janneg:

have you the high quality and 4mv options enabled?

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stuarta:

think i took them out, but i'd have to check

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Zider:

woo

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Zider:

how professional ;)

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stuarta:

wonders of modern technology

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juski:

not a bad thing in principle but knowing this lot it'll be to replace proper communication channels

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gardengnome:

between bookmark that "revert" link ;)

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juski:

suppose it's potentially more efficient than meetings with minutes

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juski:

ssh s100

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rsdvd:

?

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Merlin83b:

ww

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Merlin83b:

(at a guess)

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rsdvd:

lol

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adante_:

ok

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adante_:

so myths inability to transcode is actually getting quite annoying now

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DMJC-L:

can't you just script it in?

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adante_:

how do i figure out what is causing this because the only thing that shows in mythweb is "transcode error 255: unknown error"

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DMJC-L:

afaik there's specifically sections in the config for running transcode scripts

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adante:

scripts?

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adante:

i am just using.. well i don't know, but i was leaving mythtranscode to sort it out

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DMJC-L:

does mythfrontend have a command to play the next file?

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DMJC-L:

instead of having to go through and select it?

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juski:

DMJC-L: that'd be called a playlist

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juski:

just been told NTL 4mb & 10mb customers can ring up & get a free wireless router :)

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juski:

though I've said I wouldn't use wireless if you gave it to me.. might be good to have a play with. I expect some folks might want wireless working out of the box on the s100

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rsdvd:

juski : do you think the S100 wifi will work under linux?

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juski:

DMJC-L: and FYI you can't have mythvideo playlists as such

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juski:

rsdvd: I know someone who's had it working infact

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rsdvd:

is it g?

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juski:

yups

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juski:

as in 'g'.. not 'g' as in short for 'good'

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rsdvd:

cool – so it should be fast enought to stream over for myth

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juski:

YMMV

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rsdvd:

lol......as in 54mbps

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juski:

keep it away from dect phones, microwaves, wet dogs, babies, air ..

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rsdvd:

lol

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janneg:

juski: I've commited a osd theme change. people using blootube osd with trunk will see the edit marks of

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janneg:

f

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juski:

janneg: I'm ready for that :)

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rsdvd:

my router is just feet from where the S100 will ive so it should be ok

[12:43:03]

juski:

rsdvd: hahaha. in theory

[12:43:26]

rsdvd:

I will have to see – can;t get X to work at the moment....so got to do that first

[12:43:36]

adante:

so how can i figure out why transcode keeps exiting with status 255?

[12:43:50]

juski:

adante: use the source?

[12:44:23]

DMJC-L:

a playlist?

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DMJC-L:

how about in gallery mode it just plays all the files in that directory..

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juski:

DMJC-L: how about you patch it to do that then?

[12:44:56]

DMJC-L:

what's it written in?

[12:45:01]

DMJC-L:

C I might try to patch

[12:45:03]

DMJC-L:

perl, no way

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juski:

C++

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juski:

perl. rofl

[12:45:08]

DMJC-L:

nice

[12:45:19]

juski:

mythtv, THE open source pvr app.. brought to you by.. perl

[12:45:23]

juski:

I don't think

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DMJC-L:

hehehe

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adante:

juski: you mean read the transcode source?

[12:45:53]

juski:

adante: yup

[12:46:07]

juski:

someone should patch that to produce human readable error messages

[12:46:43]

juski:

it's a proper PITA when mytharchive fails because mythtranscode pooed its pants

[12:46:59]

rsdvd:

juski : your S100 page has a link to the IEGB docs and says 'RTFM'.....but the link it dead. do you have the FM?

[12:47:12]

juski:

rsdvd: links may be out of date

[12:47:21]

juski:

maintainer may not be arsed

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juski:

YMMV

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rsdvd:

lol

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juski:

right. need tabs or themes will die

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adante:

juski: i'm not a coder, so i'm not sure how much i would be able to get out of that – are there any other options or am i basically rooted?

[12:55:01]

juski:

adante: there's a base error code, then other error types are derived from that IIRC

[12:55:07]

juski:

it's a bit confusing

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adante:

i guess what's most annoying is that after mythtranscode fails to transcode, it loses track of the file, and thus is unable to delete it, so eventually my hdd fills up and then my whole system falls down

[12:57:01]

gardengnome:

adante: just run mythtranscode on the command line, maybe you can even use the job ID, and it should give you a more meaningful error message

[12:57:24]

juski:

changes in the stream are the #1 reason for any of my jobs failing

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adante:

hm

[12:59:38]

adante:

you mean like resolution change?

[12:59:54]

adante:

aussie tv broadcasts are not technically competent enough to do achieve this

[13:00:23]

DMJC-L:

1080p would be nice

[13:00:26]

DMJC-L:

stupid government

[13:00:30]

juski:

not resolution changes IIRC.. changes in the number of audio streams

[13:00:55]

adante:

hmm

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adante:

it appears i have a rogue irssi process in the background... brb

[13:01:38]

adante:

on a sidenote dayum, the new mythtv looks pretty hip and phat

[13:01:42]

adante:

er mythweb

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juski:

not seen it yet

[13:02:51]

juski:

that depends what you call 'new' though I suppose

[13:03:00]

juski:

you might've come from 0.18 for all I know

[13:03:00]

adante:

sadly, there is no way to stop recording a currently recording program in it!

[13:03:21]

juski:

adante: delete & rerecord?

[13:03:23]

janneg:

I'm not sure if it will handle resolution changes nicely. But it can't handle a variable number of audio streams

[13:03:26]

juski:

then cancel the schedule

[13:03:39]

adante:

and it's got pretty icons and shiny boxes and.. yeah hip n phat

[13:04:00]

juski:

shiny eh? I like the shiny

[13:04:04]

adante:

juski: nah i just want it to stop recording but keep what its recorded so i can try to transcode it and see why it keeps going cactus

[13:04:11]

adante:

can't resist a bit of shiny myself

[13:04:28]

juski:

janneg: I'd be happy if it just defaulted to only use the primary streams & ignored the others

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juski:

ffmpeg can cope, after all

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TimothyP:

hi, is this the correct channel for ivtv support as well

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janneg:

juski: I wouldn't like that. I like to watch movies with original audio

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TimothyP:

I'm trying to compile 0.8.2 but make fails

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juski:

if the number of streams changes half way through the recording though, the 'new' ones surely can't be relevant, so why bother with them?

[13:08:15]

adante:

ok i am trying to use mythtranscode on the cmd line with -c and -s options

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adante:

-c i assume is the chanid in the database – what is the format for -s?

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juski:

TimothyP: you didn't read the nice message when you logged in then, I suppose

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TimothyP:

oh I'm looking there alright... but to no avail

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juski:

I'm way too cranky to be in here today

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TimothyP:

can't be a huge problem either, as it worked yesterday

[13:09:46]

TimothyP:

I installed the kernel headers again yet it says it cant find /lib/modules/`kernelversion`/build

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janneg:

they might be a little late or the user has set the cut point too early

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TimothyP:

and indeed there is no build directory there

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tcpsyn:

gentlemen.

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Beirdo:

gentlemen? You sure you're in the right channel? :)

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tcpsyn:

Well, I figured it was a more welcome greeting than it would be in #linuxpeople

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

what's up? ;)

[13:31:44]

tcpsyn:

finally found out why the damn channel is recording black and white with no sound

[13:31:47]

tcpsyn:

just one channel.

[13:31:57]

tcpsyn:

looks like I have to fine tune the frequency

[13:34:06]

Beirdo:

that's kinda sucky

[13:34:15]

Beirdo:

but as long as it can be fixed ;)

[13:34:18]

tcpsyn:

At least I know I'm not crazy.

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Beirdo:

heh

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tcpsyn:

I was like.. what the hell.. why does this show always record black and white

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tcpsyn:

heh

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Beirdo:

stop watching the old silent movies channel, dude :)

[13:35:15]

tcpsyn:

right

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Beirdo:

All Charlie Chaplin... All day.

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tcpsyn:

stooges

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

puppies are a great thing to have around

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Beirdo:

got one sleeping against my leg right now ;)

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tcpsyn:

indeed

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** stuarta wants a puppy **

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Paladine:

I prefer a pussy

[13:40:37]

Paladine:

nothing nicer than a pussy rubbing against your thigh

[13:40:50]

Paladine:

well apart from the obvious ;)

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tcpsyn:

Paladine, stop making me salivate.

[13:41:06]

Beirdo:

now now :)

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Beirdo:

stuarta, they are a blessing and a curse. This little doggie likes to chomp on absolutely anything she can get her teeth into

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stuarta:

!trout Paladine sloppy

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** MythLogBot slaps Paladine with a sloppy trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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Beirdo:

she's learning, but damn it can be annoying

[13:42:23]

stuarta:

yeah, but that's what puppies do.

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Beirdo:

yup.

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stuarta:

at least you have somewhere outside she can run around

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Beirdo:

and she's cute, so not all is lost

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Paladine:

chomping is fine so long as no teeth ;)

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Beirdo:

yeah, but there's two holes in the fence, she likes to escape

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Beirdo:

so now she stays on a leash

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Paladine:

ok I am gonna stop now this is too easy ;p

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tcpsyn:

Anyone understand fine tuning?

[13:46:02]

tcpsyn:

If I tune one channel.. does it affect the others?

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Paladine:

tcpsyn, is that when you take a 6lb hammer and hit your box hard to work out the "dents"?

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Beirdo:

it shouldn't, the fine tuning is stored per channel, last I looked

[13:47:04]

Beirdo:

I still need to "fine tune" the neighbor's car with some large veggies up the exhaust

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Paladine:

fine tuning is best done when intoxicated

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Paladine:

that way when you hit your thumb, it doesn't hurt for a good 12–16 hours

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globulus:

Hello. Need help. I run very first time the MythTv. I got response: mythtv can not connect to the database. please verify the database. What can I do? I installed MySql already. Thank you.

[13:50:30]

tcpsyn:

globulus, make sure that mythbackend is running on the server

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tcpsyn:

/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start

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tcpsyn:

and not any errors

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globulus:

how can I check? It is service?

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tcpsyn:

note

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tcpsyn:

yes, you can check with ps aux | grep mythbackend

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globulus:

Ok checking. Pls wait.

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tcpsyn:

hah.

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tcpsyn:

Is there a way to take the guesswork out of fine tuning? I obviously want my signals to be as strong as possible.

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globulus:

to tcpsyn: I run it with /etc/init.d/mythbackend start and get response OK. But setup is still writing than can not connect to the database.

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Paladine:

anyone here from the UK?

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tcpsyn:

globulus, has it ever worked for you?

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Paladine:

if so I would seriously recommend they sign this prime minister's petition

[13:56:46]

Paladine:

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/

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globulus:

tcpsyn: I did not use it before.

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tcpsyn:

check /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log for error messages

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tcpsyn:

something is preventing it from starting.

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globulus:

ok. pls wait.

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globulus:

tcpsyn: in last lines is: DB Error (KickDatabase); Query was; SELECT NULL; No error type from QSqlError? Strange ... Failed to init MythContext, exiting.

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seth|laptop:

any gentoo/mythtv users here?

[14:03:24]

globulus:

tcpsyn: That means that my Mysql is not working?

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tcpsyn:

it means that there is an error with the sql.

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tcpsyn:

mysql is probably working, but the mythconverg database might not be in there.

[14:06:42]

tcpsyn:

are there any more messages?

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globulus:

pls wait. checking.

[14:10:31]

globulus:

tcpsyn: Ohh, before that is: Can not connect to the local MYSql server throught socket /var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock

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tcpsyn:

alright, then your mysql server isn't runing.

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tcpsyn:

try /etc/init.d/mysql start

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globulus:

does not exists. Probably I installed the MySql wrong.

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jtate:

Is there a way to turn off the OSD fadeout? It does horrible things when overlaid on a HDTV stream.

[14:13:17]

jtate:

Second question, Besides running the mythtv-setup gui, is there a way to prepopulate the mythv db schema?

[14:13:53]

globulus:

tcpsyn: I am going to reinstall the MySql server and will be back. Thank you for now.

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janneg:

any program will upgrade the database

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GreyFoxx:

jtate: The fade is defined by the OSD theme I believe, I don't think anything is in teh setup menus other than how long the OSD is on the screen before the fade/removal starts

[14:15:07]

jtate:

So anyone know of an OSD theme that doesn't fade? I'm using blueosd

[14:15:25]

GreyFoxx:

jtate: as for the database, no. running any of the apps, mythtv-setup/mythfrontend or mythbackend will create the base schema if it's not there

[14:15:36]

GreyFoxx:

It's just that most people run mythtv-setup first

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jtate:

GreyFoxx: Yeah, but that makes prepopulating stuff difficult.

[14:16:12]

jtate:

Like the default recording store.

[14:16:33]

GreyFoxx:

Not if you just place in the entire schema

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gardengnome:

jtate: i think you can easily disable the fading in the .xml file of your theme

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GreyFoxx:

gardengnome: You can

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jtate:

gardengnome: Cool, I'll check that out.

[14:17:08]

** jtate wants to play with other themes, but first things first. **

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jtate:

GreyFoxx: is there a .sql file with that in /usr/share/doc/mythtv-*/?

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GreyFoxx:

jtate: No clue what your packages provide

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jtate:

all I see is mc.sql.

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GreyFoxx:

but myth's schema creation is all done in the code

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GreyFoxx:

all plugins, plus the core app have a "dbcheck.cpp"

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** jtate considers a --create-schema option for mythtbackends **

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GreyFoxx:

It's not needed

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GreyFoxx:

start mythbackend with a blank DB, and it will create it

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GreyFoxx:

dbcheck checks to see what schema version you are at, and creates/updates as needed

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jtate:

Ok, so I'll just start mythbackend, then run my insert/update statements, then run mythtv-setup

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GreyFoxx:

mc.sql just exists to make the users job easy to create the initial blank db and user

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GreyFoxx:

That would work

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jtate:

I only have a handful of stuff, paths and (for now anyway) ALSA:default for the AudioOutputDevice and MixerDevice.

[14:23:45]

GreyFoxx:

If you are looking to deploy on many machines you can always do the initial setup, mysql dump the database and then just import it on each machine, then you can skip the running of the backend/setup and or inserts

[14:24:26]

GreyFoxx:

Though I suppose you might have to do a single update on each machine to ensure the settings are applying to the current host if the hostname is different on each machine

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jtate:

I'm trying to do this for an appliance such that I don't have to reengineer every time mythtv's schema changes.

[14:25:52]

jtate:

http://mythtv.rpath.org

[14:27:07]

jtate:

Maybe doing the hostname specific settings is not a good idea.

[14:27:19]

GreyFoxx:

well to a point you still need to be aware, settings values might change or become obsolete, but generally there isn't a ton of schema changes that would affect prepares settings

[14:27:21]

jtate:

I'm working with the devs to get ALSA set up as the default.

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GreyFoxx:

I'm watching you in there :)

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jtate:

heh

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** jtate didn't notice you in the /names list **

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GreyFoxx:

jtate: If it's an appliance then they could all just have the same local hostname

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GreyFoxx:

Or you can override the hostname they use via the mysql.txt

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jtate:

Ahh. Good plan.

[14:28:44]

jtate:

I'm thinking I'll have a backend only flavor as well as a standalone flavor. First cut will be a standalone only flavor though.

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GreyFoxx:

Personally I don't care if it's a default of ALSA or OSS, but it would be one less step for alsa users to change so that's not a bad thing. I'd rather some auto detection be used though

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tcpsyn:

that could be messy though.

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jtate:

right now ALSA:default is a FGI and pray it works option.

[14:30:51]

tcpsyn:

So many people are running arts or esd.. or jack.. or something.

[14:31:25]

GreyFoxx:

tcpsyn: just like now, havig alsa the default wouldn't stop them from using other supported methods

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jtate:

OSS simply doesn't work on my 2.6.19.1 kernel.

[14:31:51]

jtate:

the devices don't get set up

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jtate:

And I had to google to find out that ALSA:default is the right string to type into the device field.

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Sembiance:

:)

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doc__:

hi there

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cesman:

hello

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jrr:

howdy

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globulus:

to tcpsyn: Can I ask?

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clop:

omg, i just discovered timestretching

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clop:

i am in total awe

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clop:

can you do this in mplayer too??

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cesman:

man mplayer

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clop:

i did, but didn't see anything about it :(

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cesman:

it is snowing!

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cesman:

in southern california

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I like BBC, they are so responsive

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Beirdo:

I emailed asking when the Goon Show would be back on BBC7... got a reply back in 1h. not bad :)

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globulus:

Hello. Need help. Mythtv not working – response: Can not connect to the database. I have installed and running mysqld (ver. 5.0.24a-2mdv2007.0). When I try /etc/init.d/mythbackend start response is: OK. But /etc/init.d/mythbackend status is response: mythbackend dead but pid file exists. So I do not know where is the problem. Database is not exists? Database server is high version? Mythbackend is not working? Something else? Thank f

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globulus:

What version of mysql have you installed to work with mythtv?

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jams:

globulus- 4.x and up will work fine with mythtv .20

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globulus:

to jams: Ok so I will try uninstall 5.x and install 4.x

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jams:

globulus- 5.x also works

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jams:

using 5.0.26 here

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DVBMark:

Is there any way to block out channels from certain frontends?

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DVBMark:

kinda like a parental control

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globulus:

jams: 5.x works? Can you help me?

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DVBMark:

and another question, if you have multiple tuners spread throughout with a slave be as well. Anyway to control which tuners the frontends access. Reason I ask, is my master is a 3500+ and I do HDTV on it via the Frontend on it, but the other FE's are all SDTV, and there is no reason for them to tie up the faster processor

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jtate:

globulus: did you create the mythconverg database?

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globulus:

no

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jtate:

that might help

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globulus:

Ok. But I just uninstalled 5.x so I must install it again. So wait a couple of minutes please.

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globulus:

jtate: just installing now. but how to create the mythconverg db?

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jvs:

anybody knows how to configure the sensitivity of lirc?

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jvs:

sometimes signals do not get detected at all, somtimes multiple times

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jvs:

I'm using a kameleon4 urc-8040

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jtate:

globulus: run mysql -u root < /usr/share/doc/mythtv-*/mc.sql

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jtate:

Your mc.sql might be in a different location

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globulus:

jtate: ok will try now

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globulus:

jtate: What is the exactly syntax pls – not working? I do not know many about it.

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globulus:

jtate: I found this file here: /usr/share/doc/mythtv-0.20/database/mc.sql Will try do the command again.

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globulus:

jtate: Thank you. Command mysql -u root </usr/share/doc/mythtv-0.20/database/mc.sql passed. And MythTV is Working now :)) What this command exactly did?

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jtate:

created the database and set up a user with access to it.

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jtate:

thus mythbackend could create the rest of the database schema and run properly.

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globulus:

jtate: But did not exist the database before? Because I find it before this command.

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jtate:

well, you can look at the contents of the mc.sql file to see what commands it ran against mysql's server to get you up and running.

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globulus:

Hello. Please help. I set the config now but when I try wath TV I get response: could not conect to the master backend server. Command /etc/init.d/mythbackend status get response: mythbackend dead but pid file exists. I have firewall too – I tried stop it but it is the same. What can I do?

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xris:

globulus: delete the pidfile, and start the backend

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globulus:

xris: ok will try now. pls wait.

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xris:

globulus: I recommend running it by hand first, so you can see if/why it's dying

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globulus:

xris: I delete pid and restart. Now status writes that mybackend is Running. I am going try it. Will be back in a minute.

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globulus:

xris: Thank you. TV is working now well :)) But when I quit the application the sound is still playing.

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xris:

globulus: then livetv is probably NOT working.

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xris:

you need to read the documentation about setting up your soundcard

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globulus:

what is live tv?

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xris:

as opposed to recorded tb

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xris:

tv

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xris:

you'll notice that the sound is out of sync with the video when you watch tv.

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xris:

and if you record something, it won't have any sound at all

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globulus:

xrix: Understand probably. But I must set soundcard in MythTV or in system?

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xris:

both

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xris:

but in this case, you just have to configure it for recording.

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xris:

it's all covered in the (official) documentation

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globulus:

OK. I will read the documentation – must find if first ;) Thank you and all who helped me today. Bye for now.

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juski:

TFIF :)

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xris:

globulus: it's linked right from mythtv.org

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kgbudz:

im trying to play a downloaded PAL dvd (video_ts), and it doesnt work

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kgbudz:

xine cant play it either

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kgbudz:

but i can play it in windows...

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kgbudz:

any advice?

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kgbudz:

anyone here good with xine?

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juski:

kgbudz: you won't get help to play illegal content here

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juski:

SteveH: are you sure mythfilldatabase is running as the mythtv user?

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SteveH:

how can i be sure?

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juski:

it might be better to just let mythbackend run it anyway

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juski:

e.g. the 'run mythfilldatabase automatically' checkbox

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SteveH:

that's what i'm using

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SteveH:

not cron

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juski:

ah right

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SteveH:

sorry, i wasnt clear on that

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juski:

is mythbackend running as root or as the mythtv user?

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juski:

and if you'd asked this on mythtvtalk.com I've already given you this answer

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SteveH:

i have asked it on the forum there...

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juski:

ps -ef |grep mythbackend will tell you the user

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juski:

if it's root you need to copy freeview.xmltv into /root/.mythtv/freeview.xmltv

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SteveH:

it's running as root

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SteveH:

but...

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janneg:

no, the init script doesn't sets $HOME

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SteveH:

that file is already there

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SteveH:

i put it in both places to be sure...

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SteveH:

janneg: ah, that sounds quite likely. how would i fix that?

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mkrufky:

are the contents of that file identical to that of the mythtv user's

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mkrufky:

?

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SteveH:

yes

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juski:

I'd have thought it'd look in the home dir of whichever user mythbackend runs as.. in the case of root it'd look in /root/ then /root/.mythtv/

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SteveH:

sure, but i can see in the log that it's looking in //.mythtv

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SteveH:

so it does sound likely that $HOME is not set

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kormoc:

you might manually need to set home depending on how your distro sets up init

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SteveH:

i'm using fc6

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mkrufky:

if you dont care about having a 'clean' system, then you can just 'ln -sf /.mythtv ' to the mythtvusers home dir , if all permissions are set such that it would be allowed

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mkrufky:

but that is a workaround, not a fix

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mkrufky:

oops... my ln command was all wrong, too

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mkrufky:

ln -sf ~mythtv/.mythtv /.mythtv

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SteveH:

yeah... alternatively I suppose i could use a cron job

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SteveH:

but surely there is an easy way to set $HOME for the automated job? or a parameter to force it to look in a particular directory?

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janneg:

SteveH: running from the backend is cleaner. especially in north america

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kormoc:

SteveH, you are using it from a init.d script, aye?

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SteveH:

i don't know, i have just selected the automated run in mythfrontend setup

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mkrufky:

janneg: i always run mythfilldatabase on the backend.... . but why is that cleaner _in north america_ ?

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janneg:

mkrufky: datadirect returns a next run time which the backends uses

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mkrufky:

ah! now i see

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GreyFoxx:

helps spread the load on their servers, and what makes them happy keeps us in listings :)

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SteveH:

does anyone have an idea how to set $HOME for the automated mythfilldatabase run?

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mkrufky:

steve, did you follow jarod's guide?

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SteveH:

mkrufky: yes

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mkrufky:

SteveH: if you follow Jarod's Myth(tv)ology howto, it always works perfectly on a fedora box

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mkrufky:

make sure u did it all exactly as said in the guide

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juski:

hahaha I have a spider living in one of my cctv cameras. must be basking in the warmth of the IR LEDs

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SteveH:

mkrufky: i have looked, and i'm pretty sure i have done exactly what it says

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mkrufky:

hmm, i stand corrected.... mythbackend runs as root on my box, too

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SteveH:

I have an unrelated question too. It's my understanding that viewing myth tv on a standard tv should not require de-interlacing. However, without Bob on the framerate of my image appears very low, maybe 20–30fps. Any ideas?

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juski:

SteveH: your understanding is slightly wrong ;)

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juski:

only if you are outputting properly scaled, interlaced video do you need to skip deinterlacing

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SteveH:

so I am right to use bob?

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juski:

surprisingly, although what vga card TV outputs give you is interlaced PAL or NTSC, what the onboard TV encoders get may not be interlaced.

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juski:

SteveH: use whatever looks best, or if you use xvmc, always use bob

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janneg:

SteveH: write "HOME=/root/ " in front of the command that runs mythbackend in the init script should be enough. this sis another workaround but a little bit cleaner than soft linking the directory

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juski:

SteveH: to better compare deinterlacing methods use BBC News24 :)

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juski:

nothing shows up bad deinterlacing better than sideways scrolling text ;)

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SteveH:

juski: i use sky sports news ;)

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kslater:

so looking for some help on a myth related transcoding problem I'm trying to figure out

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juski:

$ky is a dirty word for me today. had to caution someone for mentioning dodgy stuff on the forum

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kslater:

have a 720p recording from Myth and can't seem to massage it into standard DVD acceptable format

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juski:

kslater: mythtv's default transcode options don't have a suitable profile set up

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juski:

mytharchive should be able to manage, I'd have thought

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kslater:

in .20?

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kslater:

or later on?

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juski:

or failing that, make a user job script to run ffmpeg with the right options

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juski:

kslater: yeah

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juski:

are you still on 0.19 like? wow.. get with the program fella ;)

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SteveH:

juski: bob looks best, but when i use it my cpu usage goes very high

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kslater:

it's getting the options right that's tripping me up – no I'm on .20

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kslater:

I'm going to loop back and try mytharchive again and see what gets spit out when it fails

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juski:

kslater: ffmpeg is pretty clever & all you need do is specify a dvd output format as far as I know

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kslater:

I'll give that a while as well

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kslater:

have tried mencoder and transcode and haven't found the sweet spot yet

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juski:

if the recording has more than one stream you might need to remap audio tracks, but even that's not too hard

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kslater:

mencoder seemed to do ok – but lots of artifacting after the downscaling

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kslater:

and it seemed to be skipping lots of frames

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juski:

kslater: something like requant.. can't remember its full name.. that'd reduce the frame size too

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juski:

tcrequant?

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kslater:

tcrequant – I know it could reduce the overall size of something to squeeze it down in overall filesize

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kslater:

didn't know it rescaled

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juski:

if mytharchive fails you could always try running the file through ffmpeg -i foobar.mpg -acodec copy -vcodec copy outputfilename.mpg first – that'll strip all but the primary audio & video out IIRC

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juski:

mythtranscode doesn't like changes in the number of streams apparently.. makes it queasy

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SteveH:

juski: should bob be using 75% of my cpu? (it's a athlon xp 2000+)

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juski:

SteveH: bob is very greedy

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kslater:

thx juski

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SteveH:

ok, thanks

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juski:

but not as greedy as that I don't think. do you have proper video drivers installed?

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IamEthos:

if recorded video is stuttering during playback, would you assume it's a problem during playback or during recording if my capture card has hardware encoding?

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SteveH:

yes, nvidia

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juski:

IamEthos: playback

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IamEthos:

juski, that's what I figured too

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IamEthos:

juski, if the backend and frontend are on seperate machines, which machine would decode for playback?

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juski:

SteveH: put it this way, my celeron 733 frontend can play freeview recordings using kernel deinterlace with plenty cpu left over

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juski:

IamEthos: the frontend

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IamEthos:

that's what I hoped.

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IamEthos:

so if I leave my current machine as the backend, and have a more powerful machine as the frontend, the stuttering would likely dissappear?

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juski:

IamEthos: that depends on what is causing the stutterring

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juski:

if you use wireless, go wired & see if it's ok

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IamEthos:

also, myth could be run on a machine without any desktop environment, right?

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juski:

check the frontend has proper video drivers installed

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juski:

IamEthos: yup, but you still need X

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IamEthos:

of course.

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IamEthos:

cause I'll bet KDE + Myth is a recipe for performance intensive

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juski:

nah

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IamEthos:

juski, really?

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juski:

just the other night I was playing mpeg2 recordings on a 733mhz frontend under kde with a mere 27% cpu usage

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IamEthos:

so based on my hardware, there should not be stuttering then?

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IamEthos:

because that is really driving me crazy

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juski:

IamEthos: what vga card do you use? and have you installed good drivers for it?

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IamEthos:

also, I get this: Your system is not capable of displaying the full framerate at 800x600 resolution. Frames will be skipped in order to keep the audio and video in sync.

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IamEthos:

juski, ATI Radeon Mobility 9100 and I'm using the fglrx drivers from ATI

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IamEthos:

no one has ever given me a definitive response about whether fglrx or radeon is better for my card

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juski:

IamEthos: well, try the other & see

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GreyFoxx:

garden/Just: Uncomment //#define USE_HACK_FOR_BROKEN_I420_SUPPORT_IN_DRIVER

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GreyFoxx:

from libs/libmythtv/videoout_xv.cpp

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gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: thanks

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juski:

neat! thanks GreyFoxx

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juski:

incidentally GreyFoxx how do you end up with such compact installs for your msntv boxen?

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GreyFoxx:

how do you mean?

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juski:

I'm trying to cheat, but I fear I might not get far that way

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GreyFoxx:

cheat hehe

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GreyFoxx:

I cheat all the time :)

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juski:

I remember you saying you'd managed to shave the size down to under 256MB or so

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GreyFoxx:

Ahhh ok, That was Slax (popcorn edition). Which after I added my myth modules was 156meg

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juski:

ah

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GreyFoxx:

My msntv's however are not running those. I did that briefly

[19:39:22]

gardengnome:

juski: hey, that might still be a nifty idea.

[19:39:28]

GreyFoxx:

my msntv's are just running a trimmed down slackware install

[19:39:32]

juski:

that's what I'm thinking

[19:40:19]

juski:

basically all a frontend needs are the static libs for mythtv, mysql client, X & stuff, beyond the basic OS, right?

[19:40:43]

juski:

the '& stuff' being relevant dependencies

[19:40:59]

GreyFoxx:

yup

[19:41:08]

GreyFoxx:

slax popcorn comes with most of that

[19:41:12]

GreyFoxx:

including mplayer

[19:41:53]

juski:

there's another thing I've just remembered about but I can't remember its name

[19:41:55]

GreyFoxx:

though I imagine now they might have QT libs and the rest up on their site

[19:42:05]

GreyFoxx:

so you can likely grab prebuilt mysql and all that

[19:42:09]

gardengnome:

DSL? ;)

[19:42:28]

juski:

gardengnome: that's the one

[19:42:56]

juski:

only thing is, to save me building X I need 6.8.x

[19:43:10]

GreyFoxx:

Using IEGD 6.1 ?

[19:43:15]

GreyFoxx:

I haven't tried it myself yet

[19:43:33]

juski:

GreyFoxx: the alternative would be to use an older xorg

[19:44:25]

juski:

better make a note of that videoout_xv.cpp comment before I lose it

[19:45:46]

juski:

archlinux might be a good way to go too

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jams:

arch is very nice

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juski:

looks like arch's mythtv packages are quite recent too

[19:50:00]

jams:

juski- I have added all the Xorg video drivers, so it should work for you next time I update the repo or cd

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juski:

jams: coolness :)

[19:50:37]

jams:

all the current cd had was nvidia,s3,vmware

[19:50:47]

juski:

jams: just out of interest how small would a frontend-only install of it be?

[19:50:55]

jams:

didn't consider intel being an option.

[19:51:24]

mkrufky:

jams: what project / distro are you maintaining?

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jams:

right around 1GB

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jams:

there isn't much difference between the diffenet system types

[19:51:43]

** mkrufky just being nosy / curious :-) **

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juski:

1GB? oof

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juski:

course you have to cover a lot of bases with that

[19:52:34]

jams:

right

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juski:

pity minimyth won't build on my ubuntu box

[19:53:17]

jams:

if i'ts under 2GB i'm fine with with

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jams:

with it

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jams:

i don't see the point of stripping out dev lib's just to save a few KB

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juski:

heh

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Blaksmith:

hey all! I just tried upgrading Myth, and when I run the backend, it errors out

[19:54:23]

Blaksmith:

Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

[19:54:23]

Blaksmith:

2007-01–12 11:45:01.969 This app was compiled against libmyth version: 0.20.20070111–1

[19:54:28]

juski:

I'm starting to think that using a vm would be a good way to move forward too

[19:54:35]

jams:

mkrufky- just something i'm doing for myself. screenshots can be found at jmeyer.us in the gallery

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mkrufky:

cool ... i'll take a look

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GreyFoxx:

vm as in vmware ?

[19:55:11]

juski:

GreyFoxx: yup

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GreyFoxx:

juski: I use that for setting most of my stuff up

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GreyFoxx:

prepare it all there then copy it to my file server for it to boot from :)

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juski:

then I can run FC (the preferred distro to run minimyth's GAR build on) on my box

[19:55:43]

Blaksmith:

any suggestions on how to resolve that error?

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juski:

Blaksmith: it's not a fatal error, the top line

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juski:

I get that on my umbongo box & it works fine

[19:56:37]

juski:

I don't even know wth it's about

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Blaksmith:

http://pastebin.ca/314471

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Blaksmith:

that's the whole error

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juski:

Blaksmith: mixed versions on your box. whoops

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Blaksmith:

as I said... tried to upgrade, and that came up :(

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Blaksmith:

other than reverting back to the original, is there any way to repair it?

[20:01:18]

cesman:

does anyone in here use the KnoppMyth CD as a live frontend w/ thier backend?

[20:01:43]

Blaksmith:

I did a make distclean and re-compile everything...

[20:02:22]

mkrufky:

cesman: that is supported?

[20:02:32]

mkrufky:

cesman: i have been looking for that functionality since forever

[20:02:48]

mkrufky:

i would LOVE to boot a live frontend off a cd and have it automagically find the backend server on my network

[20:03:16]

jams:

nobody said anything about "automagically"

[20:03:19]

cesman:

the CD can function as a frontend as long as the mythtv version is the same as on the backend

[20:03:38]

cesman:

answer a few questions is all it takes

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GreyFoxx:

mkrufky: automatic backend finding is coming

[20:03:55]

GreyFoxx:

so it will be very handy for the livecd type users

[20:04:07]

mkrufky:

ah, cool

[20:04:32]

mkrufky:

yeah... well, if there is a livecd out there than can do that, i'll write it to a CF card and be extremely happy

[20:04:37]

jams:

GreyFoxx- hopefully thats post .21

[20:04:41]

cesman:

live frontend has been supported since 9/01/03

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GreyFoxx:

jams: Noone has state a timeline for 0.21 that I've noticed, so I can't say

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mkrufky:

cesman: i believe you, but then why did GreyFoxx say "its coming" ?

[20:05:16]

GreyFoxx:

mkrufky: A LiveCD has been around that lone

[20:05:20]

GreyFoxx:

not the auto discovery

[20:05:24]

cesman:

he is talking about MythTV

[20:05:42]

cesman:

I'm talking about the KnoppMyth CD functioning as a live CD

[20:05:43]

mkrufky:

ah, ok...

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juski:

I'll try & keep going with slack. no point avoiding learning new stuff

[20:11:24]

juski:

I like a challenge & if it keeps me away from theming for a few weeks it can only be good

[20:11:39]

GreyFoxx:

It's good to get the mind on a new exercises

[20:12:10]

juski:

at least I've got the hang of finding & installing slack packages now

[20:12:41]

juski:

lilo is gonna have to go I think, can't be bothered to update that when I'm working on the kernel

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imperfect-:

Howdy.

[20:13:20]

imperfect-:

Does anyone here know what causes the weird like "sparkly outlines" around things when viewing video?

[20:13:29]

imperfect-:

It comes and goes and I don't know how else to describe it

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juski:

imperfect-: screenshot?

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imperfect-:

juski: I can't give ya one cuz it only happens on my TV ;)

[20:14:05]

imperfect-:

juski: I've got a 10MP camera though.. maybe I'll try to photograph it?

[20:14:20]

imperfect-:

I can't tell if it's something w/ the display driver or what but it's been there forever across different video cards

[20:14:37]

juski:

gotta be better than failing to adequately describe it ;)

[20:15:17]

juski:

okay so I need liblame again

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Blaksmith:

well, did a make install of my old version, and it's up and running again..

[20:15:55]

Blaksmith:

but, I want to run the svn version

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imperfect-:

Well

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imperfect-:

I don't know how else to tell you

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imperfect-:

You know when you use gimp or photoshoip

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imperfect-:

and you fuzzy select an image... it's sorta like that

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imperfect-:

around everything though.

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juski:

imperfect-: what kind of tuner card are you using?

[20:17:16]

imperfect-:

Hauppage

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imperfect-:

150

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juski:

does it affect photographs etc ?

[20:17:22]

juski:

or just video?

[20:17:28]

imperfect-:

I've never looked at photographs

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imperfect-:

Just when I'm watching video... and it can be HD content or SDTV

[20:17:42]

imperfect-:

it'll be fine for a while

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juski:

could be an xv issue related to colorkey

[20:17:45]

imperfect-:

then flip out and do that

[20:18:02]

Blaksmith:

UGH now the client speaks 31, while the backend only talks 30...

[20:18:02]

imperfect-:

I'm using XVmC

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imperfect-:

does that matter?

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GreyFoxx:

Blaksmith: Sounds like you have mixed versions. 0.20 release != 0.20 fixes

[20:19:29]

Blaksmith:

what I did was, grabbed the svn version last night, compiled/installed it, then got the error I posted earlier..

[20:19:41]

Blaksmith:

now, frontend looks like it's still the svn version :(

[20:20:44]

gardengnome:

juski: xen might be for you then. or qemu with kqemu, but that's a bit slow. just use vmware player and a pre-built FC image ;)

[20:22:15]

juski:

gardengnome: I'll stick it out with slack some more. nothing ventured...

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imperfect-:

juski: Any tips on how to get it fixed?

[20:22:27]

imperfect-:

Is there anything majorly broken with trunk right now?

[20:22:39]

juski:

imperfect-: no idea on how to fix it

[20:23:00]

imperfect-:

juski: Oh... but there's colokey issues in general or something?

[20:23:31]

juski:

imperfect-: it might be causing your problem, I dunno

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juski:

you can play round with xvattr

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juski:

never had to do that myself

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imperfect-:

This involved xvmc, correct?

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imperfect-:

I thought xv was a different method?

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juski:

imperfect-: nope

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imperfect-:

Well I'm using xvmc, does that matter?

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juski:

I don't know

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juski:

here's a question.. I saw this.. " --enable-mac-accel enable Mac OS X MPEG acceleration" and thought "hmm, does that work with h.264 too?"

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imperfect-:

That prolly has to do with altvec

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imperfect-:

i'd assume

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juski:

just I'm still considering buying a mac mini to be my main frontend, and if it'll happily decode h.264 HDTV I'll stop considering it & go buy one

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imperfect-:

Oh good god

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gardengnome:

make sure to get a new TV as well ;)

[20:29:50]

imperfect-:

I think you'll be fine.

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imperfect-:

I've got a MBP with a 2.0GHZ core duo

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imperfect-:

And it plays hd content just fine

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gardengnome:

my core 2 duo has trouble decoding h.264 HDTV :/ i'm running i386 ubuntu, though

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imperfect-:

I'm assuming the 1.83 would be just fine

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fathom:

my mac book plays it just fine as well. and it's the first one that came out.

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imperfect-:

I've got 2 core 2 duos

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imperfect-:

and it's fine

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gardengnome:

fathom, imperfect-: are you talking about h.264?

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Blaksmith:

ok, doing some digging, looks like libmyth was recently upgraded, and I need to upgrade that. any clue as to where I can find it? google is not being a friend today :(

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xris:

Blaksmith: it's installed as part of mythtv

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fathom:

sure the 1080p ones work from apple's site

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fathom:

http://www.nin.com/components/mm/byit_teaser_1080.mov <--- try that

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fathom:

it's 1080p

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Blaksmith:

not sure why it's not putting the proper lib where it needs to go then :(

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imperfect-:

hey Juski

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gardengnome:

fathom: yep. tgive me a few minutes, the server is slow.

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imperfect-:

he GMA950 chip also supports H.264 HD video playback. In our test of an HD movie trailer for IMAXâ€™s Deep Sea 3D (H.264 encoding at 1,440 by 1,080 pixels), the Core Duo model played the video back smoothly. The Core Solo model, however, dropped frames, leading to distracting, stuttering videoâ€”even after we upgraded it to 1GB of RAM.

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fathom:

wow yeah lol

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imperfect-:

That's actually talking about the 1.66ghz model

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imperfect-:

So I'm sure you'll be fine.

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imperfect-:

juski: PULL THE TRIGGAH!

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imperfect-:

Anyone know if I want opengl xvmc support?

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gardengnome:

AFAIK, it

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gardengnome:

's experimental.

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xris:

Blaksmith: /usr/ vs /usr/local/ ?

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Blaksmith:

hmm didn't think of that.. lemme see

[20:40:07]

Blaksmith:

bingo!

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Blaksmith:

thanks :)

[20:41:10]

Blaksmith:

ok, it's upgrading the db. :)

[20:45:04]

S2:

who wrote this? http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=216596&cid=17579560

[20:45:11]

S2:

i know you are here! :)

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GreyFoxx:

the majority of users are not in this channel :)

[20:46:17]

S2:

hope so

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S2:

they should be on -dev :)

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Beirdo:

why would anyone choose to read slashdot? :) Isn't there TV to watch?

[20:47:27]

mkrufky:

probably the majority of users are watching tv instead of chatting about it

[20:47:29]

S2:

i have the multitasking syndrome. i have to do at least 2 things at time, or i get bored

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S2:

reading slashdot, watching a recording and chatting right now :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

chatting, surfing the web, watching the puppy, and often talking on the phone too

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mkrufky:

why not watch two recordings at once?

[20:49:23]

mkrufky:

:-P

[20:50:45]

** S2 is happy not to be alone :) **

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S2:

mkrufky, do you know the film "time code"?

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S2:

it's 4 storys at the same time in 4 parts of the screen

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mkrufky:

oh! i heard about it

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mkrufky:

didnt see it yet, though

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S2:

and at the end the 4 storys converge

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mkrufky:

wow... sounds right up my alley

[20:52:11]

mkrufky:

<-- A.D.D.

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S2:

it's like watching 4 recordings at once! :)

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mkrufky:

maybe THAT would keep me still for a minute or two

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S2:

http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/12/1940239 cool. maybe i can get a frontend/backend in a small nice box under my tv

[20:57:52]

janneg:

watching is not the problem but listen to more than one program at the same time is hard

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janneg:

once I had 9 frontends tiled running. that was only noise, loud noise

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Ryushin:

So what kind of player is need to playback streaming asx file from mythweb?

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fathom:

can someone help me out here... i have a pvr-150 and a pcHDTV 3000. i have 2 problems. the first is, if i'm watching live TV and i go from a spot where it's tuned HD to normal analog tv it stops and says there's an error playing. Then I can't watch live TV anymore till i restart the back end. The second is i need to figure out how to match up the stations scanned with the local broadcast stuff, they're not listed the same.

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juski:

that was a long way to go to find out I don't have qt-mt

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juski:

now I remember thinking "hmmm must install the other qt stuff"

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Aurelius:

juski: i'm gonna end up doing the xosd to a second head on this capture machine to get a video overlay timestamp :)

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DVBMark:

juski you don't use svn do ya?

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juski:

Aurelius: cool. hope it works out for you

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juski:

DVBMark: nope

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DVBMark:

np, anybody here use svn that knows about the storage directories?

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juski:

check the wikiwikiwah

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DVBMark:

I have juski heh but thanks, was curious if it would handle other livetv storage dirs on individual frontends and such

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juski:

DVBMark: nope, just for program groups AFAIK

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DVBMark:

ya kinda what I gathered as well just wanted confirmation. guess I need to rework the way my partitions are on my master be then heh, cuz don't want livetv taking up all the space even though it expires it I know

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juski:

qt was installed (duh!) – but there was a need to reload the lib cache wossname thingy

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DVBMark:

heh

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juski:

couldn't remember the command so I just logged out & back in

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mkrufky:

Dibblah: the device I couldnt remember the name of yesterday — SQUEEZEBOX

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mkrufky:

http://www.slimdevices.com/

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mkrufky:

(hotness)

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juski:

that looks suspiciously like the pinnacle soundbridge

[21:59:09]

juski:

$299 ?! wow

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mkrufky:

it decodes the mpeg audio and allows multiple devices to be placed around an area — they communicate with each other to stay in sync, so that even though the mpeg decoding is being processed in each unit, the sound is whole and in sync

[22:00:07]

juski:

huh? uk suppliers have it in for much less than I'd expect

[22:00:11]

mkrufky:

the author of the pvrusb2 driver told me about it — he has them all over his house

[22:00:18]

juski:

normally you pay $1, we pay 1GBP

[22:00:22]

mkrufky:

argh, i mean maintainer

[22:00:40]

juski:

mkrufky: that is nifty

[22:01:01]

mkrufky:

yeah.. .i think i want one, although i couldnt really use it for anything

[22:01:14]

juski:

so does that mean it's just a frontend, and there's a server doing the streaming?

[22:01:36]

juski:

I guess it does

[22:01:48]

mkrufky:

i think it reads from a network share... the server doesnt have to be smart at all

[22:02:15]

mkrufky:

hmm... i guess a client has to be running somewhere though, to manage the sync communication between the units

[22:02:23]

juski:

talk about a cheap way to do whole house audio though

[22:02:27]

mkrufky:

yeah

[22:02:42]

juski:

I take it that each player can also do its own playback apart from syncing with other players

[22:03:21]

Dagmar:

Umm.. audio latency is pretty sizeable compared to network latency

[22:03:24]

juski:

Â£164.00 for a white, wiredd one

[22:03:41]

Dagmar:

You can get away with just using broadcast arp and have clients play the data as soon as it comes in and you're good

[22:03:47]

juski:

that's not bad

[22:04:04]

juski:

still expensive for a music player though

[22:04:34]

mkrufky:

still quite a nifty little toy

[22:05:49]

juski:

hahaha a uk company selling them also has a cd ripping service!

[22:05:54]

s0medude:

hello, i get this error on reboot "could not connect to the master backend server --it it running ? is the IP address set for it in the setup program correc ?" how can i fix it

[22:06:21]

juski:

is the master backend server running?

[22:06:38]

juski:

is the ip address set for it in the setup program correctly?

[22:06:55]

s0medude:

yes i went thru auto installation on knoppmyth

[22:07:09]

juski:

has the ip address or hostname of the box changed?

[22:07:17]

s0medude:

how can i check that

[22:07:29]

juski:

do you use DHCP to get that machine's ip address?

[22:07:39]

s0medude:

yes i can telnet into the machine

[22:07:57]

Dagmar:

How those two things are related I have no ide

[22:08:22]

juski:

s0medude: when you installed knoppmyth did you tell it to use a fixed IP address?

[22:08:32]

Dagmar:

Dude, if you're using DHCP to assign the backend server it's IP you had better be using a fixed lease

[22:08:41]

s0medude:

no it was loading the frontend and it just rebooted

[22:08:54]

Dagmar:

hehe yay knoppmyth

[22:09:09]

s0medude:

it was on the prefetching images ....stage

[22:09:21]

juski:

s0medude: if you don't know what you're doing we can't really help much

[22:09:22]

cesman:

they is s0medude

[22:09:30]

cesman:

you were looking for me yesterday?

[22:09:33]

s0medude:

yes

[22:09:45]

s0medude:

cesman you were helping me out the other day on sound issue

[22:09:51]

kormoc:

telnet?

[22:09:52]

** kormoc blinks **

[22:10:08]

s0medude:

i have tried installing knoppmyth manytimes and alway get stuck with no sound

[22:10:14]

cesman:

you cannot telnet to a KnoppMyth system unless you install telnet

[22:10:22]

s0medude:

ssh

[22:10:24]

cesman:

ssh

[22:10:26]

kormoc:

yet alone the security issues with telnet...

[22:10:29]

s0medude:

i ment

[22:10:30]

juski:

fuck I forgot to ring NTL's customer dissatisfaction dept. today

[22:10:43]

kormoc:

juski, so call twice tomorrow?

[22:10:49]

juski:

they're giving away free wireless routers for 4Mb customers now

[22:11:04]

s0medude:

cesman if you want i can reformat and do it again

[22:11:13]

s0medude:

it will take me 15 minutes

[22:11:30]

cesman:

Dagmar: yay knoppmyth

[22:11:53]

s0medude:

cesman: if you will help me to get the sound working again

[22:11:57]

cesman:

please join #knoppmyth

[22:12:06]

s0medude:

ok thanks

[22:12:47]

** juski considers not making his s100 distro public if he ever finishes it **

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S2:

juski, why?

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S2:

juski, just because users ask questions?

[22:13:43]

juski:

yup

[22:13:55]

S2:

you don't have to answer if you don't want

[22:14:00]

juski:

true

[22:14:06]

S2:

so?

[22:14:08]

juski:

plays havoc with my conscience though

[22:14:41]

juski:

early days anyway.. still compiling mythtv :)

[22:14:59]

S2:

well, if you give something to someone for free, he is happy anyway.

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kormoc:

S2, you haven't been in here long enough then :P

[22:15:42]

S2:

bah

[22:16:10]

juski:

if you give something to someone for free, they want more

[22:16:10]

kormoc:

it's actually quite striking how many people come in here and want... no... demand service and/or feature fixes *now*

[22:16:45]

juski:

to hell with the fact this is done for the love of it, in folks' own spare time etc

[22:16:57]

GreyFoxx:

or piss on the project "why the hell did you do it this way morons?" yet it's usualy something wrong on their machines or they just misinterperate something :)

[22:17:12]

simplton:

When using mytharchive is there an option that would allow me to encode videos at the original ratio, keeping the black screen on the bottom and top?

[22:17:33]

S2:

who cares

[22:17:45]

juski:

and even when they offer to help it's usually something inconsequential... like the bounty for whole transport recording with dvb cards

[22:18:11]

S2:

yeah! i would pay for that too

[22:18:14]

GreyFoxx:

S2: you can shrug it off a lot, but like it or not it can wear on people :)

[22:18:17]

S2:

what's wrong with that?

[22:18:25]

jams:

sure does

[22:18:25]

GreyFoxx:

S2: I believe janne is working on it

[22:18:27]

mkrufky:

juski: make it public, but make up a pen name and show no relation to 'Juski'

[22:18:30]

bcsmith:

anyone having playback speed/audio issues with FOX HD?

[22:18:36]

juski:

S2: it's nice to be appreciated, but it's human nature for folks NOT to talk about the good stuff & whine about the bad

[22:18:43]

GreyFoxx:

The multi recording stuff is a nifty idea

[22:18:51]

bcsmith:

OC, Till Death, any high def show doesn't playback at 1.0 speed

[22:18:52]

S2:

juski, let them whine :)

[22:19:12]

juski:

bcsmith: just think of all the other things you can do with the time ;)

[22:19:26]

mkrufky:

bcsmith: i do not have that problem.... fox broadcasts in 720p in brooklyn...

[22:19:27]

jams:

GreyFoxx- I also noticed that playback is just a tad faster with the 2.6.19 kernel

[22:19:39]

GreyFoxx:

jams: yeah? Ok, so it's not just me then

[22:19:45]

GreyFoxx:

My wife noticed too

[22:19:46]

jams:

I have to set the playback speed to .95

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S2:

GreyFoxx, the record more channels on the same multiplex feature would be Ã¼ber cool

[22:19:52]

GreyFoxx:

it's very slight, but it's there

[22:20:04]

bcsmith:

I found if I do a mythtranscode -mpeg on the file, replacing the original when I'm done I get no playback problems

[22:20:07]

GreyFoxx:

S2: Yup, be nice to see it get in there

[22:20:25]

bcsmith:

happens on livetv as well as recorded, only on FOX, and only HD content on QAM

[22:20:33]

jams:

the annonying part is when it starts to stutter when it finally catches up

[22:20:34]

GreyFoxx:

jams: You set it as a default or each time you start a video ?

[22:20:37]

ixiion:

what is a mlutiplex ?

[22:20:39]

GreyFoxx:

jams yeah

[22:20:40]

ixiion:

multiplex

[22:20:44]

jams:

GreyFoxx- i set it as the default

[22:20:49]

GreyFoxx:

stutter or actually stop since it things it's hit the end of the file

[22:20:54]

juski:

bcsmith: when you say 'does not play' what do you mean? not at all or is gappy / jerky?

[22:21:05]

bcsmith:

must be something with their stream? or possible ....

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mkrufky:

bcsmith: sounds like some garbage in the stream... very wierd

[22:21:24]

bcsmith:

juski: it's seems like it's playing at 0.5 speed

[22:21:29]

mkrufky:

bcsmith: just curious... which HD capture card do u use?

[22:21:36]

mkrufky:

(it should not matter)

[22:21:41]

juski:

ixiion: a multiplex is a bunch of channels transmitted digitally in the space traditionally occupied by one analogue channel (in general)

[22:22:09]

bcsmith:

mkrufky: tried a DVICO gold/lite, and my new HDHomerun, all show same behaivor

[22:22:28]

ixiion:

juski a okay, we call it transpoders

[22:22:46]

juski:

ixiion: in the case of satellite that'd be correct

[22:22:52]

bcsmith:

juski: if I manualy adjust playback to 2.0 speed, it seems to be right, but the audio is still jerky until I do the mythtranscode -m

[22:22:54]

mkrufky:

bcsmith: where do u live?

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bcsmith:

mkrufky: san diego, cox cable qam signal

[22:23:13]

juski:

bcsmith: weirdness

[22:23:18]

mkrufky:

yeah, very wierd

[22:23:30]

mkrufky:

anyway, i added support for both of those dvico cards, bcsmith

[22:23:34]

bcsmith:

yea, it was working fine before January

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bcsmith:

with no major myth changes

[22:23:55]

juski:

bcsmith: if you run mythfrontend as root with realtime priority enabled it might cause some issues i think

[22:23:58]

bcsmith:

since it started, I've gone to the latest trunk a few days ago, still there.

[22:24:22]

mkrufky:

bcsmith: what happens if you play the mpeg file in mplayer without running mythtranscode on it first?

[22:24:27]

bcsmith:

running as mythtv user, and I believe I never enabled realtime priority

[22:24:39]

bcsmith:

no other show/channel shows the problem.

[22:25:16]

bcsmith:

mkrufky: AHHH, I'll try the mplayer idea tonight, still have a bad show or two to try it on.

[22:25:24]

bcsmith:

that might narrow it down

[22:25:28]

juski:

how does everyone else build frontend only installs? just build as normal then delete the backend stuff?

[22:25:28]

ixiion:

i need some help with mythweb , i always get "Database Access Denied" when i enter username/password , i followed a howto and think is did everthing right but is still dont work

[22:25:55]

ixiion:

any idea ?

[22:26:08]

bcsmith:

juski: there used to be a configure option, but they commented it out, for backend only and frontend only

[22:26:18]

juski:

bcsmith: I know, which is why I'm asking

[22:26:37]

bcsmith:

juski: I believe it's still in the configure/make scripts, you can comment it back in? maybe?

[22:26:37]

juski:

I think the --frontend-only option is broken IIRC

[22:26:55]

bcsmith:

oh

[22:27:14]

bcsmith:

I was only using backend only builds for a 32-bit slave project

[22:27:49]

juski:

or at least that option is only for stuff like the mac

[22:27:53]

bcsmith:

anyone got eclipse 3.2.1 running on Edgy eft?

[22:28:00]

juski:

ah to heck with it, it's no big deal

[22:28:48]

kormoc:

juski, it's still there and 'working' as well as ever

[22:29:14]

kormoc:

juski, it was put in to help port, but really, all it does is just not install the backend binary, so compiling normally and deleteing is the same thing

[22:29:25]

AngryElf__:

what would cause mythDVD to rip a DVD such that the output was about 50 minutes of the beginning of the movie then cutting to the last scene skipping a lot in between.../

[22:29:25]

juski:

kormoc: heh

[22:29:38]

juski:

I was just wondering to save some compile time

[22:30:38]

ixiion:

AngryElf__ advertising remover :P ?

[22:30:48]

juski:

gardengnome: when I get my wireless router I'll be able to play with wireless on the s100, so I might need your help (grovel, grovel)

[22:31:07]

AngryElf__:

the DVD ripper?

[22:31:27]

DVBMark:

just what you want to hear after all the discussion above heh but I have to ask, what is the s100?

[22:31:29]

juski:

and if any windows-loving neighbours end up with strange printouts, it'll have nothing to do with me right? ;)

[22:31:47]

juski:

DVBMark: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/s100

[22:32:54]

Milosch:

hmm, is nVIDIA GeForce 6200TC a decent card?

[22:32:56]

juski:

jees look at me. next thing you know I'll be advocating all that new fangled web 2.0 shite

[22:33:02]

Milosch:

or chip

[22:33:05]

adante:

can someone please help me?

[22:33:18]

DVBMark:

thanks juski

[22:33:26]

juski:

adante: we don't know if we can help

[22:33:39]

juski:

you haven't said what's wrong yet

[22:34:03]

gardengnome:

juski: ah, the prism54 drivers. i think they're included in the kernel. you'll just need to get the right firmware (which can be a bit tricky ;))

[22:34:50]

juski:

adante: broken.. maybe a different version of mythtranscode than you should have?

[22:35:15]

adante:

juski: afaict i do not seem to have a DEFAULT transcoding group and this seems to be whats causing things to go cactus

[22:35:25]

juski:

gardengnome: aha. I'll start looking for the firmware while I'm waiting for the compiler

[22:35:30]

juski:

thanks :)

[22:35:34]

ixiion:

http://prism54.org/

[22:35:50]

adante:

juski: for instance, in mythweb under recording schedules, some items have transcoder "Autodetect" – others are set to "Autodetect from MPEG2" – the latter transcode fine

[22:35:55]

adante:

but hte former don't

[22:36:16]

adante:

is there a way i can change it so that when i tell something to record it defaults to autodetect from MPEG2?

[22:36:18]

juski:

adante: so have you set the transcoding profiles up?

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adante:

juski: what do you mean by set up?

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gardengnome:

juski: there are several firmwares on prism54.org. i'd suggest you just grab whatever comes with ubuntu in their linux-restricted-mobules package. should already be on your system.

[22:37:16]

adante:

juski: i mean a few weeks ago transcoding worked fine.. upgraded svn and rebuilt and it stopped

[22:37:22]

adante:

juski: so i guess at one stage i did have them set up

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gardengnome:

juski: might be one of these guys: /lib/firmware/2.6.17-10-generic/isl38*

[22:38:00]

AngryElf__:

adante, you mean to say you upgraded to an unstable version from a working version and you're wondering why it's not working anymore?

[22:38:18]

juski:

gardengnome: ahhh :) nifty

[22:38:21]

adante:

AngryElf__: not quite.. from an unstable version to an unstable version :]

[22:38:36]

AngryElf__:

well your previous unstable version transcoded fine

[22:38:37]

AngryElf__:

go back

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adante:

AngryElf__: i like the new features so ideally i would like to stick with this one

[22:39:37]

juski:

gardengnome: I'm making notes which I'll be able to improve my s100 webshite with eventually

[22:39:43]

juski:

mostly so I'll be able to refer to it

[22:40:05]

gardengnome:

cool :)

[22:40:31]

** juski laughs at all the replies to ATI VGA card owners on the forum lately. "bin the ati & get nvidia .. problem solved!" **

[22:41:04]

gardengnome:

juski: hrm. my geforce 4 mx is not supported by nvidia's latest drivers anymore :(

[22:41:05]

adante:

juski: so, no idea?

[22:41:21]

juski:

adante: nope

[22:41:33]

GreyFoxx:

gardengnome: what is it? a mx200 ?

[22:41:37]

juski:

I've not had much experience dealing with transcoding

[22:41:57]

juski:

and if you ever look closely I tend not to help folks with tricky problems much :-P

[22:42:14]

adante:

haha ok, thanks

[22:42:16]

gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: mx 400, but that doesn't really matter. that's just differences in clock speed :)

[22:42:57]

GreyFoxx:

Ididn't realize they had removed support for that

[22:43:11]

adante:

can someone please do me a favour and paste a dump of their recordingprofiles table?

[22:43:24]

gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: i'm talking about the 97xx ones. when i modprobe it, i'm told to use the 96xx legacy drivers. there are not 96xx legacy drivers, though, just normal ones ;)

[22:43:33]

** gardengnome beers juski **

[22:43:43]

juski:

gardengnome: cheers!

[22:43:53]

juski:

I hold back too much

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AngryElf:

GreyFoxx, I recall you saying something a few weeks back about queing up DVD images and transcoding them overnight??

[22:44:26]

mkrufky:

juski: i tried that kind of tech support here in the office, and it didnt blow over so well

[22:44:32]

adante:

juski: sorry to bother would you be able to paste a dump of your recordingprofiles table in mythconverg?

[22:44:33]

GreyFoxx:

AngryElf: yeah

[22:44:36]

** mkrufky just kidding **

[22:44:50]

AngryElf:

what do you use? — i didn't think you could queue stuff up in mythDVD

[22:44:52]

juski:

hey there's a thing. before this whole transport recording thingy I think it'd be much cooler to get job queue support into mytharchive, if it's not already there

[22:45:04]

GreyFoxx:

AngryElf: I'm doingit under windows

[22:45:08]

GreyFoxx:

AutoGK

[22:45:30]

AngryElf:

how's that working out?

[22:45:35]

AngryElf:

audio/video sync issues?

[22:45:39]

GreyFoxx:

Nope, not one

[22:45:45]

juski:

adante: I can do that but i've no idea how much use it'll be since I've only ever transcoded to mpeg4 once..

[22:45:53]

mkrufky:

"transport recording thingy" .... by any chance, is that refering to the ability to record multiple PS from a single TS?

[22:45:54]

janneg:

juski: no, it isn't there

[22:46:00]

AngryElf:

more often than it was convenient I ran into AV sync problems with dvdrip — so i stopped using it

[22:46:42]

juski:

actually janneg you deserve the few flagons of beer that bounty will buy ;)

[22:46:58]

janneg:

mkrufky: I think yes, and it is coming

[22:47:02]

gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: have you ever tried dvd::rip in linux?

[22:47:02]

juski:

(he said, trying not to sound patronising)

[22:47:03]

mkrufky:

awesome!

[22:47:04]

adante:

juski: well i'm just trying to figure out why my default transcoding profile doesn't seem to work

[22:47:14]

juski:

adante: for all I know, mine doesn't work either

[22:47:14]

GreyFoxx:

gardengnome: Nope, never have

[22:47:34]

adante:

and of course seeing as i can't edit it in the frontend it doesn't help

[22:47:46]

janneg:

juski: not sure that I'm the person who implements it

[22:48:18]

gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: it's basically just a frontend to transcode, but it can do nifty stuff like distributed transcoding. you could put these msntvs to some good use ;)

[22:48:19]

GreyFoxx:

janneg: I had thought you were actively working on it :)

[22:48:27]

juski:

adante: http://www.pastebin.ca/314646

[22:48:30]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[22:49:02]

juski:

I should clean up my database one of these days

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juski:

but right now, it ain't broke so I'm not in a big hurry

[22:49:27]

janneg:

GreyFoxx: I started, but I have to write a paper until february

[22:49:56]

GreyFoxx:

ahhh

[22:49:57]

** juski wishes for a make progress bar **

[22:50:07]

AngryElf:

juski — after too long I finally have my 3 frontends and backend working pretty seemlessly — i dont plan on changing a thing for a long while

[22:50:10]

adante:

juski: ok... sorry.. can i ask for your profilegroups as well? :]

[22:50:16]

juski:

ffffffffff

[22:50:17]

juski:

ok

[22:50:42]

globulus:

Hello. Is MythTV able to show Teletext pages from analog signal?

[22:50:49]

juski:

http://www.pastebin.ca/314650

[22:51:30]

juski:

adante: what next? entire contents of recordedmarkup? :-P

[22:52:10]

adante:

juski: nah think i've figured it out

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juski:

globulus: not sure. I know that teletext subtitles work

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adante:

juski: turns out there is no "Default" entry in recordingprofiles for my transcoders profile

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juski:

I was so appalled by my lamegrabber's video quality that I ripped it out straight away & didn't think to even try teletext

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gardengnome:

juski: i think teletext works with the pvr 250, too. let's try it.

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globulus:

juski: I noticed that teletext subtitles work. But I need also whole pages. I hope that it will be working somehow.

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globulus:

gardengnome: what is pvr 250?

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gardengnome:

globulus: a TV capture card made by happauge.

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defend:

question anyone know if you can stop the backend while nuvexport is running?

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globulus:

gardengnome: Oh. I have Leadtec TV fast 2000 XP – on KdeTV teletext works – but national characters are shown bad.

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gardengnome:

globulus: what's your aim, actually?

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globulus:

Do not understand //..

[22:58:02]

globulus:

Do not understand what is aim

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gardengnome:

globulus: what do you want to do? do you just need teletext or do you want a complete video recording solution?

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globulus:

gardengnome: at this time I need something what show me the teletex properly and then also recording :)

[22:59:41]

gardengnome:

globulus: anyways. i'm located in germany and i can use teletext just fine with my pvr 250

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globulus:

gardengnome: what is the keybinding? I am pressing the T. Maybe doing something wrong.

[23:00:54]

gardengnome:

globulus: i'm not sure if it's actually bound to anything by default. hit "m" to bring up the menu.

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globulus:

Ok. I am trying. pls wait.

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mkrufky:

ok, im going home.... enjoy the weekend

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globulus:

gardengome: I just tried id. Not working. Show me that selected page is not available. I am from Slovakia – so it is the same as in Germany. Isn't it because I picture is first compressed?

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gardengnome:

globulus: i'm not sure about that, we're using different tv cards

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gardengnome:

globulus: have you tried searching the mailing lists yet?

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globulus:

gardengnome: no. where is mailing list?

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gardengnome:

globulus: http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInfo

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Xanium4332:

yo

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globulus:

gardengnome: Ok. Thank you. Going there.

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adante:

hi guys, is there a way to reset my transcoding/recording profiles ONLY? my transcode system has gone totally cactus and i'd like to restart it without losing all my other settings

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cconstantine:

Hello Mythers

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carstenc:

Hi all

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cconstantine:

howdy

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carstenc:

short question but big help if you can solve my problem

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cconstantine:

k

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carstenc:

I am using FC6 and mythtv

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carstenc:

its working pretty good so far

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juski:

except for...

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juski:

live tv, program guide, recording..

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juski:

;)

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carstenc:

but sometimes it changes the card id for dvb-s and dvb-t

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juski:

carstenc: how do you mean?

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juski:

do you mean you have two cards, one dvb-s and one dvb-t ?

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carstenc:

I meyep

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carstenc:

yep

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juski:

and sometimes when you boot up they are not in the same order as last time?

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carstenc:

yep

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juski:

there are 2 ways you can solve that

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carstenc:

I tried it with udev

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scott_:

does FC6 use udev?

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carstenc:

yes

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cconstantine:

hehe

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juski:

1. adjust the udev rules

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carstenc:

juski: how ?

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carstenc:

do you have exmaples?

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juski:

2. blacklist the kernel modules the cards use and load them automatically in the order you want

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carstenc:

I tried the second way but did not work

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juski:

if both cards use the same base chipset then method 2 will not work

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juski:

you might have to make udev rules based on PCI IDs which I don't know how to do

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cconstantine:

is it really critical that they remain in the same order?

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juski:

there's normally somebody here who knows their udev stuff, but not me

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juski:

cconstantine: yup

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cconstantine:

k

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juski:

cos myth goes for each card at the location it was at when the card was first set up

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carstenc:

dvb_ttpci is base for both I think

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carstenc:

and dvb-s is stv0299

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carstenc:

and dvb-s is mt352

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cconstantine:

I'm having problems with mythtv too... I shut down my backend wednesday and I have not been able to either watch live tv (complains that my tuner is in use, and it isn't), and there have been no recordings scheduled.

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juski:

cconstantine: could be a similar problem

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cconstantine:

juski: right, so if they have different channel listings....

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cconstantine:

juski: I only have one card

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juski:

cconstantine: no not channel listings. the method of accessing the hardware is slightly different, and other reasons

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gardengnome:

humm. do we still tell people to RTFFAQ actually?

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cconstantine:

juski: any ideas about whats happening?

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Alarm:

hello . i am trying to install mythtv and i am infront of some errors. i installed the mysql with apt-get install mysql-server-5 succesfully

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kormoc:

gardengnome, when it's required, sure

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Alarm:

then went on the next step to install mythtv and a few errors appeared like: Starting MythTV server: mythbackendSession management error: Could not open network socket .

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cconstantine:

juski: oh no... I switched kernels... whatcha wanna bet ivtv isn't loading

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Alarm:

i added a the errors in a paste site http://mishu.eu.org/paste/view.php?id=2997

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cconstantine:

juski: it wasn't... thanks for being a sounding board, maybe I can get it to work on my own now :)

[23:49:06]

juski:

cconstantine: having an open mythweb is NOT a good idea

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juski:

but when you get a HDD full of lame shows you'll learn your lesson

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juski:

yay finally I can run make install

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kormoc:

or when his bandwidth goes to hell cause people start grabbing his shows

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

entirely evil thought, you can change frontend keybindings via mythweb

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kormoc:

change left to right, right to left, up to down, down to up

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cconstantine:

juski: I opened it for help, it's not like that all the time

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scuyler:

Hey all I'm trying to install Myth via Ubuntu edgy.. following the ubuntu guide, and I beleive they have a typo and was wondering if anyone could clarify it for me

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