Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, January 4th, 2007, 00:06 UTC

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xris:

dja: X keyboard input usually follows the mouse... but you can tweak that in your x config

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xris:

remotes should still be able to control the dialog boxes, though

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dja:

I thought so too, but the dialog boxes don't work on the "FE" that doesn't have the keyboard

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dja:

I'm wondering if this is a local (my stupidity :-) problem, or if it's an issue in myth...I wonder if anyone here has done this before? (run 2 FE's on the same box)

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xris:

dja: how are the remotes set up? native or keyboard-input-emulation?

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_LM_:

juski: I meant a good way to organize them in MythVideo. MythVideo does a good job (in my opinion) for movies, to have a large archive browseable on genre/year etc, but I haven't found a good way to organize different episodes on different tv-series so it has a good WAF :)

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dja:

native (using lirc builtin to mythtv)

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wireddd:

I am going to use this old nvidia card that I have to do tv out (s-video) for my mythfrontend, what resolution should I use?

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wireddd:

can I set it to a native tv resolution?

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_LM_:

wireddd: I use 720x576 on my PAL tv

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wireddd:

my tv is ntsc

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_LM_:

wireddd: Then I don't know, but I suspect that your nvidia-card supports native NTSC resolution aswell

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Milosch:

720x480 might work

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Milosch:

or good old 640x480

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Mattwj2005:

hey guys :)

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jams:

Anduin- so mythvidvd is safe to checkout?

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Anduin:

jams: Yeah, has been working here for a fews days (a few finishing touches were made before checkin but it should be fine)

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jams:

cool I will give it a try

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Anduin:

thanks

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wireddd:

all I have left to to is to get my remote working :)

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wireddd:

I guess there is not a way to make the hauppauge remote turn my tv on is there?

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jams:

wireddd- nothing simple. the only solution would involve getting an ir blaster

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wireddd:

the ir sensor that came with my card looks like it has an ir blaster thing on it

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jams:

ok 1st test public iso is on it's way up.

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** cesman pondesr **

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toad_:

why does mythtv show channels that I don't get? how can I get it to not try to tape stuff on those channels? do i have to remove them?

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** cesman ponders what mythvidvd is.... **

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toad_:

i mean non-free-to-air channels

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cesman:

one, it should tape anything you don't tell it to tape

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jams:

cesman mythvideo and mythdvd have been combined

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toad_:

yes i know

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cesman:

it gets all channels that your provider carries

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jams:

mythdvd is no more....

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toad_:

yes but most of those channels are encrypted

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toad_:

discovery, sci-fi etc

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toad_:

if i tell it "record this program on any channel at any time" then it will try to record it on a channel i don't get, and because of that won't record something that i _did_ get

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cesman:

http://mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall

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Paladine:

xris you awake?

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cesman:

jams: interesting....

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cesman:

jams which public iso?!

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toad_:

so i have to shut down the backend, fire up mythtv-setup and remove the channels i don't get?

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toad_:

is there any setup option i can change without having to shutdown the backend?

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cesman:

toad_: how about reading the link I posted....

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toad_:

well i've been through mythtv-setup

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jams:

yeah, just did a svn up. waiting on it to compile now

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TankerJoe:

Anyone have some advice on getting the front end to work with Ubuntu 6.10 – AMD64 – mythtv .20 ? It installs correctly, but when I switch to "Watch Tv" it freezes.

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cesman:

blanket?

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Anduin:

TankerJoe: time to look at logs

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toad_:

cesman: any particular part of the howto you are directing me to? chapter 9 perhaps?

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TankerJoe:

Agreed. the backend logs are kept in /var/logs/mythtv/mythbackend.logs (or something like that, don't remember exact) are there different logs for the frontend?

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cesman:

I'd recommend reading the entry thing...

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Anduin:

TankerJoe: depends on how you packager starts the frontend

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bwallen_:

I'm getting this error in my mythbackend logs when I try to record something: 2007-01–03 19:30:10.034 MPEGRec(/dev/v4l/video0) Error: select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding

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TankerJoe:

BTW, the backend logs don't report anything strange (no errors)....

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toad_:

so there's no automatic way to remove non-FTA channels? that's sad, scan can identify whether channels are FTA or not...

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TankerJoe:

commandline: mythfrontend (again from memory, I'm still at work.)

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Anduin:

TankerJoe: Yeah, that would mean all output to the console (so run it manually)

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TankerJoe:

ok... after it freezes.... it really freezes... I have to boot the system to recover... are there command line options to log to a file somewhere?

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TankerJoe:

BTW thanks for all of your help.

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TankerJoe:

I can prolly look that up.

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Anduin:

TankerJoe: Yeah, a hard lock isn't going to be myth, possibly myth triggered but it could be the video driver, capture driver, etc.

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TankerJoe:

toad_: which OS?

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toad_:

debian etch/sid mixture

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Anduin:

TankerJoe: Yeah, it is a much more common platform now, people have it working.

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jams:

Anduin- so whats next on the list of improvements ?

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jared555:

any of the people around that were helping me with the storage array (they should remember if they are)

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TankerJoe:

ok, cool that gives me hope. Thanks for all the help. I'm off to analyze the logs ;-)

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Anduin:

jams: close existing bugs, then, I don't know. I have some uncommitted mtd improvements that I keep punting on cleaning up, then the stuff the feature list (mine, on my ugly wiki)

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Paladine:

anduin, do you know what time cron.daily scripts run? is it 00:01?

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Anduin:

Paladine: all in /etc/crontab

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Anduin:

(4 here)

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Paladine:

6 here

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Paladine:

thanks

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jams:

ok. perhaps I will work on that combobox for the default player settings

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Paladine:

just setting up a script for xmltv + mfdb daily updates

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techlife:

I'm a newbie to mythtv and my question is what would be a good tvtuner card that will provide a good amount of functionality

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Paladine:

hauppauge pvr150

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techlife:

great thnx

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jams:

techlife, most have good luck with the pvr150 or 500

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Paladine:

the 500 is just 2x 150s on the same card

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techlife:

and these have the built in decoder?

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techlife:

I'm guessing would be something that I might need

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jams:

they do not. it doesn't take much cpu to decode SD mpeg2 recordings

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bwallen_:

I'm getting this error in my mythbackend logs when I try to record something: 2007-01–03 19:30:10.034 MPEGRec(/dev/v4l/video0) Error: select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding

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Anduin:

jams: Some day there will be a player profiles screen

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jams:

techlife- for the videocard a nvidia 5200 and up card will work just fine

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Paladine:

bwallen tried modprobe ivtv

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Paladine:

?

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bwallen_:

paladine: it's already there

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Paladine:

yeah but it has stopped responding

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Paladine:

try reloading it

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techlife:

very helpful..with those two products I should be ready to setup mythtv??

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Paladine:

techlife, pick up a bag of patience from the store at the same time

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bwallen_:

I just checked again and it's still there. The thing is it works for a while, then stops for no reason

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Paladine:

cos you will need a bit extra for building/configuring mythtv :)

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techlife:

all.....thnx for the info.

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Paladine:

( I was only joking about the patience ;) but make sure you follow the wiki guides)

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techlife:

Paladine, sure will

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jams:

Anduin- it appears to work, videos and dvd both play as expected

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Anduin:

jams: nice every now an then to only do the planned number of commits

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jams:

I was concerned at first, because all the dvd options disappeared from the menu. That was because I was running my own menu theme and it still depended on mythdvd

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Ryushin:

For those that are playing back HD, and using SVN, are you using the --enable-proc-opt option for compiling MythTV?

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defend:

any idea why when i use nuvexport my final product is always blocky looken

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DVBMark:

Ryushin, I am but I am still in learning mode so dunno if that is the best, just did it due to other things I have read

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Ryushin:

DVBMark: Just trying to figure out why I can't playback HD in software when I have a dual core 2.0 ghz X2.

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DVBMark:

I'm no expert heh but ask away, speed has nothing to do with it, it is your settings etc and possibly video card as well

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Scopeuk:

Ryushin is it maxing out the cpu? if you look at top whilst attmepting playback?

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Ryushin:

Scopeuk: Yea, the frontend is maxing out one of the cores. The other core is fairly idle and xorg is only running about 8%.

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Ryushin:

DVBMark: Well, I can playback using XvMC, which is what I don't want. I have (or at least should have) identical setting on my combo backend/frontend that can playback HD fine, but even it's cpu usage has gone way up compared to what it was when I set it up in August with it's new dual core.

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Ryushin:

Heck, I was running HD off a Sempron 64 2600+ overclocked to 1.96 ghz before I bought the dual core for the backend.

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Ryushin:

I think something has changed in SVN.

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DVBMark:

you might try Option "UseEvents" 'True" in xorg.conf I noticed that decreasing cpu, but even without that hd only runs about 60% on a 3500 64bit on mine.

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DVBMark:

sounds like a setting is off someplace

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DVBMark:

I am using yesterdays svn

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Ryushin:

Yea, I turned that on. But that was to fix X.org from consuming the cpu.

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Ryushin:

Yea, it does sound like it. But for the life of me I don't know what setting that would be.

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Inssomniak:

for some reason the zap2it wont populate some of my atsc channels even though my lineup on zap2it has them configured

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Inssomniak:

DataDirect: Not adding channel WUTVDT2 (WUTV-DT2) (WUTVDT2)

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** sandeen gets his native res mode going and hopes that overriding the sync rates of the monitor doesn'tfry it **

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Ryushin:

Inssomniak: It helped when I changed the seperator to a "-" or was it an "_", but that was back in .18, and I don't know if that's been fixed or not.

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Inssomniak:

after some more research, it seems those channels are not available in my lineup

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Inssomniak:

I dont know how to do this

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Inssomniak:

I cant have 2 datadirect sources attached to one video source

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Inssomniak:

X Error: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) 10

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Inssomniak:

Major opcode: 144

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Inssomniak:

Minor opcode: 5

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Inssomniak:

Resource id: 0x600007

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Inssomniak:

as soon as I get this error, stuff stops works, cant bring up main menu, EPG, etc

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sandeen:

bah not that my native mode res actually displays :/

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wireddd:

I am getting "tuner type not set messages when I startup my mythtv backend now for some reason

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wireddd:

its a pvr 150 that was working

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wireddd:

it has been so long since I set it up, that I don't remember much about how to set it up

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goodgerster:

hi, everybody!

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goodgerster:

*removes eastern european accent*

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goodgerster:

ahem... can anyone tell me whether or not a MCE-2005 remote will play nicely with mythtv 20? i.e. does it have enough buttons?

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DVBMark:

goodgerster: remote works great

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DVBMark:

and thanks to kormoc so does the matching keyboard

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goodgerster:

devious swine, remind me to thank him :)

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Jack3:

anyone here use a irblaster?

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goodgerster:

and is it horrifyingly difficult to get a diskless client?

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goodgerster:

ideally on knoppmyth

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kormoc:

Jack3, I do

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DVBMark:

heh kormoc

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goodgerster:

ah, kormoc, you're here

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DVBMark:

that's his bot

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** kormoc laughs **

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goodgerster:

I see

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kormoc:

Aye, I'm here, and I'm no bot

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DVBMark:

lol

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goodgerster:

indeed

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goodgerster:

and the last thing..

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goodgerster:

if I bought a few DVB-S cards could I use a sky subscription with any of them without mucking about with cardreaders?

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kormoc:

I don't think so

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goodgerster:

okie-doke

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goodgerster:

back to the old plan of DVB-T+blaster then

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DVBMark:

ya very unlikely, unless they supported it, and I don't know any that would

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Jack3:

heyy kormoc

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goodgerster:

I am feeling a bit pissed off.. I am ready to assemble my backend but can't get the old PC out of the case

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goodgerster:

oh well

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Jack3:

i made a serial ir blaster and I am trrying to get it to work with my comcast cable box

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Jack3:

i use knoppmyth

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Jack3:

any ideas ?

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Jack3:

i tried the irblaster.sh to configure it but it didnt work

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kormoc:

sadly, I don't really know knoppmyth nor the serial ir blaster that well

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Jack3:

ah damn it

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Jack3:

what terrible luck i have lol

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goodgerster:

ho hum

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goodgerster:

happy belated patronisingly-secular winter festive holiday time followed by happy belated arbitrary gregorian year-number-incrementation day, incidentally

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toad_:

this is insane ...

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goodgerster:

?

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toad_:

there are literally hundreds of channels that mythtv detects but cannot open; a lot of them are dupes of channels it can get

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goodgerster:

hmm

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toad_:

i've been trying to make a list so i can remove them in accordance with docs

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toad_:

but it's taking aaaaaaaaaaaaaages

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goodgerster:

yay for UHF being crap?

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toad_:

well no

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goodgerster:

shite reception?

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pillsburyDOEboi:

how do i shutdown mythtv without holding the powerbutton

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toad_:

it is quite possible to automatically tell whether DVB-T channels are free-to-air

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toad_:

the "scan" utility does it for example

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goodgerster:

pillsbury, alt-f4 usually helps

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toad_:

that would rule out most of the channels

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goodgerster:

ah, DVB-T

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toad_:

i dunno about the dupes though

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goodgerster:

wierd

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goodgerster:

where are you?

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toad_:

well i suppose myth would have to realise they are dupes and pick the strongest signal or something

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toad_:

england

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pillsburyDOEboi:

and how do i start it again, knoppmyth always show up with that penguin watching handshake on tv, nothing more

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goodgerster:

pillsbury, no idea

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toad_:

well is there anything i can do short of spending 2 hours finding all the channels i can't get and then half an hour deleting them?

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pillsburyDOEboi:

your mythtv starts up automatically on boot

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goodgerster:

very probably not, but I have no experience with actual use of myth

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toad_:

hmmm

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toad_:

anyone else here? :)

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toad_:

howto chapter 9 doesn't help

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goodgerster:

toad, it's a free software project... the documentation isn't meant to be helpful, it's part of the thrill of getting myth to work

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toad_:

:|

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toad_:

*some* free software works well

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toad_:

but yes this is 0.2

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goodgerster:

no, this is 0.20

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goodgerster:

as in "twenty"

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toad_:

i'm not grumbling really, i'm looking for ideas as to how to move forward

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goodgerster:

yes

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goodgerster:

er, I think the deletion thing is likely to help

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toad_:

and it will ignore the rest

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toad_:

it should be possible for myth to do something similar

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goodgerster:

I seem to remember talk of inputting certain decryption codes to watch free-to-view channels

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goodgerster:

indeed so

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toad_:

however, i'd be happy if somebody told me a relatively easy way just to automatically delete all the non-FTA channels

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goodgerster:

it usually does, too

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goodgerster:

this is vvry strainge

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toad_:

i could probably do it with scan in shell script ... but given the database etc, getting that to work would probably take as long as doing it the hard way

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toad_:

goodgerster: with terrestrial signals?

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goodgerster:

I'd do it the hard way if the easy way involved shell scripting

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toad_:

what do other people use?

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toad_:

it does seem to have put all the working channels at the beginning, that's one ray of hope

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goodgerster:

toad: ya, it usually scans very well and detects watchable shizz, sometimes inviting you to enter decryption codes

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toad_:

but it will quite happily let me schedule stuff on the sci-fi channel (which i don't get because i'm not subbed)...

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goodgerster:

what is your postcode? I'll look some stuff up

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toad_:

hmmm so it's a limitation of the DVB-T code that it detects every possible channel, FTA or not, lockable or not?

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toad_:

BS16

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sinisterguy:

whats a good low-resource podcatcher that will dump each podcast in its own folder like all my linux action shows will go in "Podcasts/Linux Action Show" and all my tllts shows will go in "Podcasts/tllts"?

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toad_:

i can get the main channels, at least most of them, but there are hundreds of channels i can't get but are still in mythtv; i'd like to delete them so they don't confuse it

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goodgerster:

it wants your full postcode, sorry

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toad_:

hmmm... is this place logged? :)

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goodgerster:

sinisterguy, is this even vaguely relevant to mythtv?

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goodgerster:

google is your friend

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goodgerster:

toad, yes it us

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goodgerster:

is, rather

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toad_:

goodgerster: got it?

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** toad_ privmsg'ed you **

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Inssomniak:

is GLX required for myth?

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toad_:

Inssomniak no

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Inssomniak:

good

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pillsburyDOEboi:

can anyone help me with video issue, tv playback is not smooth, it halts every other second.

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Inssomniak:

its screwing up on me

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toad_:

it may help though

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kormoc:

Inssomniak, only if you use the opengl vsync and/or opengl painter

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goodgerster:

got it

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Inssomniak:

I dont use the vsync, no idea on the painter

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toad_:

kormoc you would concur with goodgerster's saying that 99% of the time mythtv Just Works and doesn't identify hundreds of unavailable, duplicate or non-free channels?

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DVBMark:

The painter makes the menus flow seamlessly into one another

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DVBMark:

heh

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kormoc:

toad_, aye, most of the time, aye, the dvb scanner works

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sinisterguy:

goodgerster: yes it is actually, i want to have new podcasts and vidcasts automatically be downloaded to my myth box, but i don't need any fancy features

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goodgerster:

it usually identifies all channels it can show you, barring dupes

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Erroneous:

pillsburyDOEboi: are you using vesa drivers? If your video card isn't properly configured (use the correct driver) it will do that

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toad_:

kormoc any suggestions? clear the database and run it again?

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goodgerster:

sinisterguy: google?

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goodgerster:

toad_: it will give you commercial channels in case you've got a decryption key for it

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kormoc:

toad_, well, personally, I would try that, aye. if it happens again, I might consider opening a bug report

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sinisterguy:

goodgerster: i have, there's podracer, but i can't figure out how to make it do what i want, and bashpodder doesn't do it right either

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toad_:

goodgerster that's okay as long as it tells me they are commercial channels when i try to watch them

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toad_:

but it doesn't

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goodgerster:

ah

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toad_:

it just says partial lock, then we should have had a lock by now ... i suppose that's the too-weak channels that also happen to be commercial

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toad_:

but it does let me schedule programs on e.g. scifi

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goodgerster:

hmm

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toad_:

without asking me for a code

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pillsburyDOEboi:

i am using knoppmyth autoinstall method, i have 1100 duron with 256 ram dragging on 32mb sis pro savage 8 (crappy card)

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pillsburyDOEboi:

is this the issue.

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toad_:

okay, i'm going to try rescanning

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goodgerster:

the ram is the issue

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goodgerster:

so is the processor, most likely

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goodgerster:

sinisterguy: what's wrong with podracer? put it as a cron job and poke at the config file

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toad_:

as per mythtv howto section 9, you need to first click Scan for channels, then click Fetch channels from listings source

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toad_:

both stages will take an inordinately long time!

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goodgerster:

indeed

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toad_:

does the scan clear the channel list initially?

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goodgerster:

I think so

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goodgerster:

my freeview box takes about 10 minutes to scan

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toad_:

is there any way to do that without dropping all my other settings?

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pillsburyDOEboi:

yes this is basically a dumpster machine but if i replace graphics with geforce4 pci would that help

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Erroneous:

pillsburyDOEboi: yes, knoppmyth probably didn't set the driver correctly for your card. run "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep driver"

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goodgerster:

pillsbury, not likelt

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** toad_ would prefer not to have to ditch _everything_ ... **

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goodgerster:

double or quadruple your ram, that may help

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goodgerster:

here my knowledge runs out

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sinisterguy:

goodgerster: according to the podracer docs, you just put the name of the podcast before the rss feed in the subscriptions file and it should put it in its own folder, but it doesn't do that

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toad_:

hmmm ok

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** toad_ will boot up mythtv-setup, bbiab **

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goodgerster:

sinisterguy: what does it do?

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Erroneous:

sinisterguy: I use/love bashpodder. What isn't working for you?

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pillsburyDOEboi:

pc133 is too old to find nowdays, most of it is probably washed up on docks of indonesia

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goodgerster:

*hands over to erroneous*

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goodgerster:

pillsburyDOEboi: well, either take a trip to the west pacific or buy a new mobo then

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goodgerster:

256MB is totally insufficient for a combination server and client

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Erroneous:

It is the lowest-end you can realistically get and if something doesn't work, it is fairly easy to fix

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GreyFoxx:

256meg would be fine for the average backend/frontend

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pillsburyDOEboi:

Erroneous; i will run that command now and see if that works

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GreyFoxx:

though I always agree more ram is always better :)

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sinisterguy:

Erroneous: you know of any way to get bashpodder to dump each podcast into its own folder?

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Erroneous:

sinisterguy: I have it do that for me now

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goodgerster:

GreyFoxx: evidently it's not enough

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Erroneous:

sinisterguy: want my script?

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GreyFoxx:

It's all depends on what kind of needed crap you run on your box

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goodgerster:

pillsburyDOEboi: add more ram, get a faster hard disk, use gentoo or get a better processor

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GreyFoxx:

Like if you waste ram with stuff like gnome or kde

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sinisterguy:

Erroneous: yes please

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goodgerster:

these are all likely to cost the same

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GreyFoxx:

pillsburyDOEboi: Someone might have mentioned already, but make sure DMA is enabled to the drive if it's an IDE drive

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pillsburyDOEboi:

kewl

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goodgerster:

I should probably go to bed now

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goodgerster:

nighto

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pillsburyDOEboi:

where is dma option

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GreyFoxx:

You can check with the hdparm command

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GreyFoxx:

hdparm /dev/hda (if the drive is hda)

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Erroneous:

sinisterguy: it requires curl instead of wget and to name the folder for each podcast, change the part in bp.conf before the :. After the : is the address of the feed

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GreyFoxx:

one of the options will be the dma status, 0 = off

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kslater:

does anyone know if mythreplex is basically the same as the other replex command that's out there?

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pillsburyDOEboi:

i think i will reinstall the whole thing again; i have already done it 3 times

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Inssomniak:

so GLX is not used in any real way for displaying video? just EPG,OSD maybe?

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jams:

i beleive it does the same thing, but mythreplex is modified a bit

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jams:

kslater- that was for you

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pillsburyDOEboi:

hdparm /dev/hda

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kslater:

ok. I used to know how to use replex in place of the mpeg2desc

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kslater:

I need to manually add in an audio sync to get a recording to go right

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jams:

GreyFoxx- for upnp and a tcpdump what capture size did you want?

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GreyFoxx:

1500 bytes

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jams:

k

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GreyFoxx:

didn't have time to look at that mythgame crash, but I should be able to take care of it tomorrow

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jams:

going to grab a capture of roku. If you want to look at it great, if not thats fine as well.

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kslater:

jams does mythreplex take the place of mplex or does it take the place of mpeg2desc?

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GreyFoxx:

jams, I'm always happy to add to my collection of dumps frm upnp clients and servers

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jams:

kslater- should be mplex

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jams:

mpeg2desc seperates the streams, where mplex combines them.

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kslater:

k – need to find that old process I used to use to do this

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DVBMark:

just finally got around to reading what ZoneMinder was, interesting heh

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Erroneous:

anyone know why I might be having all my fonts stay the same size, no matter if I select big fonts or small fonts in the General setup?

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toad_:

Erroneous: dpi problem

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Erroneous:

toad_: Changing the DisplaySize in the monitor section of xorg.conf does nothing. Changed it to several values

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Erroneous:

toad_: I'll try yours though, since they are very different. I'll have to change it to 16:9 though

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Erroneous:

toad_: Didn't affect it

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Erroneous:

toad_: could it be something wrong with the particular font? Maybe it wasn't setup/installed/configured correctly?

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toad_:

Erroneous did you restart X?

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Erroneous:

toad_: well restarted gdm and hence X

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toad_:

Erroneous hmmm well it worked for me

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toad_:

no idea why it doesn't work for you

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toad_:

except maybe you have two Monitor sections?

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toad_:

are the fonts bigger as a result?

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Erroneous:

I know I do...don't tell me I'm so stupid I didn't set the correct one?

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toad_:

grabbing: 10% [====== ]credits element: Wide character in print at /usr/lib/perl/5.8/IO/Handle.pm line147.

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Erroneous:

no I did

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toad_:

what does this mean?

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toad_:

shouldn't perl be able to handle wide characters???!

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sinisterguy:

Erroneous: thanks, got the email :)

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Erroneous:

sinisterguy: np

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Erroneous:

ok, so I have the problem of changing the font size in Appearance from small to big and back changes nothing

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SeaWeed:

Can Some 1 How i Can turn off ( Zap2it ) When i run ( filldatabase ) not Shure Why It started trying to Connect to ( zap2it.com )

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madd_matt:

I recorded a 16:9 movie that was broadcast in 4:3 (black bars added). My monitor is 16:10 — is there an easy way to get the movie to zoom in?

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xris:

madd_matt: W

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jams:

GreyFoxx- http://jmeyer.us/scripts/roku.wireshark

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Jack3:

anyone here have a homemade ir transmitter they use for chaning channel on there cable box

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xris:

Jack3: I used to

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Jack3:

did you use that one howto guide?

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Jack3:

the ir-blaster-howto

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xris:

I used the "losdos" one

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Jack3:

yeh thats what i am using

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xris:

it's a little old, but should still work

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Jack3:

i have a question though, when i try to do make

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Jack3:

i get the linux kernel file errors

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Jack3:

and im using knoppmyth, so should i go to /usr/src extract the kernel-source-2.6.17-chw-8.tar.bz2 and rename it to linux

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Jack3:

?

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xris:

not sure, there.

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xris:

but knopmyth's lirc *should* work with the transmitter.

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xris:

cesman: you around?

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Jack3:

meh mine didnt set up right

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cesman:

yes

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Jack3:

and ive asked cesman, he doesnt know about irblasters since he doesnt have one

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xris:

ah

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Jack3:

(if thats why you called him)

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xris:

cesman: you compile knopmyth lirc with blaster support?

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Jack3:

he has a ircblaster.sh script

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cesman:

--transmitter

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cesman:

yes

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xris:

Jack3: you *should* be able to just use the default lirc in knopmyth

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cesman:

I've not setup a blaster

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cesman:

I don't know what one is

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xris:

kormoc *might* have a config to show you how to use both blaster and remote in the same config.

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xris:

cesman: irblaster.info

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xris:

basically a transmitter

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keir:

should mythfillthedatabase run every day?

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xris:

keir: generally, yes

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cesman:

man...

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cesman:

where is my mind

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xris:

the backend will run it for you (assuming you tell it to)

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keir:

and is there some reason it should be writing about 1MB/s? for more than 1/2 hr?

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cesman:

rather, I do know what one is

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kormoc:

xris, only if they share a driver

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xris:

kormoc: ahh

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keir:

dstat -M app is showing mysql / mythfillthedatabase as the biggest hogs, and it's completely destroyed system responsiveness

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xris:

Jack3: then you're probably on the right track with /usr/src/linux..

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xris:

keir: and?

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Jack3:

alright cool

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keir:

xris, it just seems crazy that it should be writing 60*30*1mb =1800mb of data

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SeaWeed:

Can Some 1 How i Can turn off ( Zap2it ) When i run ( filldatabase ) not Shure Why It started trying to Connect to ( zap2it.com )

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SlicerDicer:

xris: are you having issues with firewire recording?

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SlicerDicer:

still anyway :)

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xris:

SlicerDicer: nope

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SlicerDicer:

what did you do to fix it?

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SlicerDicer:

everytime the cable company sends a signal to the cablebox it decides to have a shitfit

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SeaWeed:

do you know how i can disable ( Zap2it )

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kslater:

mytharchive has been working well making DVD's of recordings for me. But I have a ppv recording that the audio sync is little off on the original mpg and is way off after creating the iso

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kslater:

is there a way to insert an offset?

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** SeaWeed (xris) do you know how i can disable ( Zap2it ) **

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xris:

SeaWeed: zap2it is a company.. I'd suggest buying stock in their competitors. :)

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xris:

SlicerDicer: fix what?

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xris:

keir: um, that's a lot of data.. it likely shouldn't be doing that.

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SlicerDicer:

xris: to stop it from recording nothing.. I keep having issues with it recording nothing from firewire at all.. then the next show will etc..

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xris:

SeaWeed: what country are you in?

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SeaWeed:

US

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SeaWeed:

(xris) lol Dont need no stock but i shure would like to kill ( Zap2it ) in filldatabase

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xris:

SeaWeed: and how do you expect to get tv listings without zap2it?

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SeaWeed:

EIT

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SeaWeed:

mine come in via EIT

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xris:

and you've deleted the listing in mythtv-setup?

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SeaWeed:

all i get is 404 erors on Zap2it

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xris:

SlicerDicer: haven't had that issue since firewire primer

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xris:

SeaWeed: 404? did you set up an account?

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SeaWeed:

No

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SlicerDicer:

xris: yeah its cropped its ugly little head up again

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SeaWeed:

how do is deleted the listing in mythtv-setup

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SeaWeed:

My Guide fills in via EIT With Patchs That have Been provided to me

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SeaWeed:

Zap2it had not been Running till today and not shure how it Got turned on

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SlicerDicer:

the problem is the cablebox resets and does not work right

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xris:

SeaWeed: go in mythtv-setup and go to video sources.

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SeaWeed:

ok

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SeaWeed:

(xris) Thanks i did miss setting EIT on 1 of my sat's

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SeaWeed:

Thanks for that info

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SlicerDicer:

xris: I was just wondering if you were having issues :)

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SlicerDicer:

its enough to drive you loopy though when you end up with 5–6 things a week if not more refusing to record

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SlicerDicer:

and you miss things that you really cant rerecord

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Inssomniak:

OK Im gonna ask again: Console floods with "LiveTV forcing JumpTo 1" and freezes video, this time it happened at the end of a recording.. I cant put myth into mainstream use with this problem

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Sentin:

Is anyone available to help me?

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xris:

Sentin: no

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Sentin:

great

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DVBMark:

lmao@xris

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xris:

Sentin: ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer

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rogue780_SSH:

for some reason I restarted my backend, and now only one of my tuners is showing up when mythtv is scheduling

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rogue780_SSH:

any ideas anyone?

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Jack3:

hey xris im geting an error now when i do

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Jack3:

"/sbin/modprobe ledxmit_serial"

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Jack3:

error: FATAL: error inserting ledxmit_serial (/lib/modules/2.6.17-chw-8/misc/ledxmit_serial.ko): Unknown symbol in modules, or unkown parameter (see dmesg)

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Jack3:

any ideas?

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darkdrgn2k3:

If a DVB stream has allot of audio and video artifacts.. What casuses that?

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Inssomniak:

bad signal?

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darkdrgn2k3:

myth reports i t at 99%

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Inssomniak:

what card?

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darkdrgn2k3:

cx88

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darkdrgn2k3:

103g

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darkdrgn2k3:

dvb-s

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Inssomniak:

they all have artifatcs?

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darkdrgn2k3:

same card LoL

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Inssomniak:

oh lol

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darkdrgn2k3:

cx88 driver... the Twinhann wannabe (103g) which is a DVB-S

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Agrajag-:

bad signal to noise ratio?

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Agrajag-:

does femon report that same strength?

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darkdrgn2k3:

SNR at ffdc

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darkdrgn2k3:

so its not bad

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darkdrgn2k3:

could it be tghe decoder? or something

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darkdrgn2k3:

is thre a way to adjust the LiveTV codec?

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SlicerDicer:

xris: I found the problem actually...

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SlicerDicer:

xris: whoever modified the way p2p works tried to do something that is absolutely failing over here cause it does not verify that there is data :/

[04:20:15]

SlicerDicer:

xris: well to explain what is going on usually I would set the cablebox to p2p=1 it does that now (yay) but the bad thing is it does not verify any data is going through so it may as well not even change the p2p from 0 to 1.. however its totally uneeded to change from 0 to 1 everytime you initialize firewire it only needs to be set once. unless the cablebox was reset maybe this is the idea here but whatever the idea its not

[04:20:15]

SlicerDicer:

working very well and makes my crude hacks totally useless...

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xris:

ah

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SlicerDicer:

I did not realise myth was actually changing the damn settings making my shellscript totally nullfied :/

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Jack3:

xris, any idea on that error?

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Jack3:

did you ever get that?

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xris:

Jack3: sorry, I'm not all that great with kernel stuff

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kormoc:

Jack3, and what does dmesg say?

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Jack3:

how do run dmesg?

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Jack3:

just type "dmesg"

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Jack3:

?

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kormoc:

yes

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Jack3:

lets see

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Jack3:

lirc_i2c: chip found @ 0x18 (hauppauge IR_

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Jack3:

lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin: sample_rate:10

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Jack3:

ttyS1: LSR safety check engaged

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Jack3:

lirc_serial: port 03f8 already in use

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Jack3:

lirc_serial: use 'setserial /dev/ttySX uart none'

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Jack3:

lirc_serial: or compile the serial port driver as module and make sure this module is loaded first

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Jack3:

00:09: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq=4) is a 16550A

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Jack3:

oh

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Jack3:

none of those had to do with it

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Jack3:

i just found it

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Jack3:

ledxmit_serial: Unknown symbol verify_area

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Jack3:

but that is not in the file ledxmit_serial.ko.....

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Inssomniak:

Taking too long to be allowed to read..

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Inssomniak:

what does this mean?

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Jack3:

ugggh

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Jack3:

kormoc, any idea wtf is goin on?

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kormoc:

you're missing something in your kernel that provides that symbol, what it is I don't know, but perhaps google can help

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Jack3:

hmm

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pillsburyDOEboi:

how can i change date and time on knopmyth after set up

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cesman:

KnoppMyth-tz

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Jack3:

ah gay

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Jack3:

the only 3 results are from pastebin

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Jack3:

shit

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Jack3:

ooh i found someone who made something to include verify_area in linux kernel 2.6

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Jack3:

yay

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sandeen:

hrmph all of my DVD rips don't play back properly, they seem to be switching between 2 different audio programs or something

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pillsburyDOEboi:

how can i change date and time on knopmyth after set up

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cesman:

did you not see my response above?

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pillsburyDOEboi:

<cesman> KnoppMyth-tz thanks

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pillsburyDOEboi:

<cesman> is there any command to put the mythtv to sleep mode.

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cesman:

define sleep mode

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cesman:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Shutdown_Wakeup

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cesman:

nvram-wakeup is already install

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pillsburyDOEboi:

i dont know how to shutdown mythtv, everytime i shutdown holding powerbutton down, then this thing never boots to mythtv

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cesman:

Poweroff is already in lilo.conf

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pillsburyDOEboi:

let me see again

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cesman:

then, what is it booting to?

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pillsburyDOEboi:

it goes to screen where penguin is watchin tv, nothing after that

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cesman:

<alt><m> to start the frontend

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pillsburyDOEboi:

<cesman> is there a way to decrease monitor res, i am testing this machine on 19" but i will use vga later, i think it is causing my tv to freeze up at this res

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cesman:

hmmmm

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cesman:

whaaaa?

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cesman:

I don't understand what you are saying

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cesman:

you are testing it on 19"

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cesman:

19" what?

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cesman:

use vga later?

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pillsburyDOEboi:

i think myth auto install auto configured my monitor resolution at high

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pillsburyDOEboi:

is that a factor ?

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cesman:

myth did nothing

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pillsburyDOEboi:

ok

[04:56:37]

cesman:

when knoppmyth boots, it detects your monitor and video card

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pillsburyDOEboi:

ok

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cesman:

the resolution it sets is based upon what it finds

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pillsburyDOEboi:

kewl

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cesman:

if you want to use a specific res, then when booting from the cd you can specify

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cesman:

after the fact, you can modify xorg.conf

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cesman:

assuming you are using R5E50

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pillsburyDOEboi:

it says knoppmyth-tz is not a command

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cesman:

I didn't state knoppmyth-tz

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pillsburyDOEboi:

sh-31$ knoppmyth-tz

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cesman:

KnoppMyth-tz

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pillsburyDOEboi:

pick bastards...

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kormoc:

Capital Letters Matter

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pillsburyDOEboi:

now it says root rights needed

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kormoc:

sudo KnoppMyth-tz

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pillsburyDOEboi:

picky bastards...

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cesman:

pick bastards?

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pillsburyDOEboi:

i wanted to say picky not pick

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** cesman ponders who the bastards would be... **

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kormoc:

all the thousands of developers who spent their free time to allow pillsburyDOEboi to timeshift tv for free

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pillsburyDOEboi:

sorry it was just figure of speech,

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pillsburyDOEboi:

my apologies

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pillsburyDOEboi:

the timezone was fine upto install but later, it changed, i dont know why

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pillsburyDOEboi:

is this normal

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pillsburyDOEboi:

<cesman> r u there

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cesman:

the hardware clock should be set to utc

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cesman:

your time zone should be accurate as long as you set it

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cesman:

KnoppMyth-tz runs during the configuration stage

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pillsburyDOEboi:

ok

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cesman:

as long as you set it, it should just work

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pillsburyDOEboi:

ok

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cesman:

well, I have an early day tomorrow

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cesman:

response will be slow

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pillsburyDOEboi:

thank you very much for your input <cesman>

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pillsburyDOEboi:

and <kormoc>

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kormoc:

you're welcome <pillsburyDOEboi>

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sandeen:

anyone know if the myth dvd player (or whatever it is that plays ripped dvds in the media library...) has trouble with multiple audio streams?

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pillsburyDOEboi:

again... last time... i am at k@mythtv:`$ what do i enter to get back into frontend

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opello:

startx?

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pillsburyDOEboi:

server already activefor display 0

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opello:

alt f7?

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pillsburyDOEboi:

THANK you opello

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opello:

np

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opello:

you probably hit ctrl-alt-f1?

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pillsburyDOEboi:

yea

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opello:

(or, f2, f3, f4, f5, or f6)

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Sentin:

I am constantly getting the error Line 3500 qmake: command not found. I have looked everywhere and have tried reinstalling it from the SuSe cd. Any other suggestions?

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opello:

(preceded by holding ctrl and alt)

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Anduin:

Sentin: install qt development package

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pillsburyDOEboi:

i wanted to fix timezone, and couldnt get back in now it is fixed,

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opello:

pillsburyDOEboi: x binds to the first free tty, generally it's 7 because most distros start up getty on ttys 1–6

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Sentin:

ok I'll try that thanks <Anduin>

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opello:

Sentin: what's on line 3500?

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pillsburyDOEboi:

ok

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Sentin:

I have no idea

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opello:

it's telling you where there's a problem, time to investigate ... and install what it needs

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Sentin:

trying to ./configure mythtv

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sandeen:

Sentin, do you have the qmake command from the qt devel package?

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** cesman ponders if pillsburyDOEboi read when he stated <alt><m>.... **

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Sentin:

I just installed that fromt he SuSe cd and didnt do anything

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opello:

Sentin: sed -n '3500p' configure

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sandeen:

does "which qmake" give you an answer?

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opello:

ohh, i wasn't even reading, it's probably qmake :)

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sandeen:

opello, yeah could be ;-)

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opello:

heh

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Sentin:

which qmake gives me nothing

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sandeen:

then you need to installl qmake

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sandeen:

and I need to go to bed...

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Sentin:

hm

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Sentin:

I am downloading a "qtopia" package that I got a link to from mythtv's website.

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Sentin:

Night

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opello:

Sentin: qt3-devel ?

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Sentin:

its just qtopia-opensource

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opello:

or, see if it's in /usr/lib/qt3/bin/qmake

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opello:

and just not in your $PATH

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opello:

(which only looks in your $PATH)

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Sentin:

Sorry I'm a bit new to linux I'll check

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Kirrilian:

howdy everyone

[05:29:31]

Sentin:

nothing in /usr/lib/qt3

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Kirrilian:

I've searched the mailing list and docs and cant figure out how to get my hauppage cards to tune above channel 13

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Sentin:

for qmake

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Kirrilian:

im on analog cable

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opello:

Sentin: bin?

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opello:

Sentin: /usr/lib/qt3/bin/qmake

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Anduin:

Kirrilian: Set the right frequency table

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Sentin:

I see qmake in there

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Kirrilian:

you mean like ntsc?

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opello:

Sentin: good deal

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Sentin:

now what though

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Kirrilian:

im in the US

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Sentin:

Opello: I don't know how to set the path

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Anduin:

Kirrilian: as in us-bcast, hrc, irc, etc

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opello:

export PATH="$PATH:/usr/lib/qt3/bin"

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Kirrilian:

oh in mythsetup, ok i will try that, thanks

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opello:

Sentin: will only persist in the terminal you type it though

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Sentin:

Opello: I typed that in and nothing happened just new line

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opello:

(so you might want to add it to your .bash_profile, or somewhere else appropriate)

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opello:

Sentin: which qmake

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Sentin:

Opello: ?

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opello:

`which qmake`

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opello:

execute that

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Sentin:

I get nothing

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opello:

see if it works now

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opello:

there will always be something

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opello:

"no qmake in ..."

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opello:

or a path

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Sentin:

One sec

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opello:

brb

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Sentin:

ok

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Sentin:

And which qmake just gives me /usr/lib/qt3/bin/qmake

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Kirrilian:

Anduin, ok, i set it as us-cable and it still isnt going above channel 13

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Kirrilian:

i am using fc6 and the atrpm binary installers

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Anduin:

Kirrilian: ok, by isn't going above you mean it isn't there or it is static?

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Kirrilian:

when i scan the channels it only goes up to 13

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Kirrilian:

i dont know how to manually set the channel

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Anduin:

Kirrilian: ignore channel scanning, setup your zap2it account, fetch the data, be happy

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Kirrilian:

im about ready to go back to knoppmyth :(

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Kirrilian:

lol

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Kirrilian:

ok

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Sentin:

Also Opello: which qmake only works when im cd into where the qmake file is located

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Anduin:

Kirrilian: analog channel scanning is a mean joke but in mythtv-setup to trick people

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Kirrilian:

Anduin, fetching the listings now

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Kirrilian:

seriously? :(

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Anduin:

Kirrilian: It is getting more that way, yes it has uses, but is way too easy to find, often by mistake.

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Kirrilian:

Anduin, i always assumed you had to scan them before pulling your listings

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Kirrilian:

Anduin, it is laid out that way in the gui is probably why...

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Anduin:

Kirrilian: Yeah, not at all, nice web page so you can uncheck things like QVC, but the actual frequencies are known for standard calbe (with the few variants also know)

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opello:

Sentin: the point of appending "/usr/lib/qt3/bin" to your path is so that it works from any dir

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Sentin:

Opello: so how do I do that?

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Kirrilian:

Anduin, thanks again, we'll see if that fixes it ;)

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opello:

Sentin: 23:31 < opello> export PATH="$PATH:/usr/lib/qt3/bin"

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Sentin:

Opello: I apologize for my stupidity when it comes to linux I'm learning

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opello:

Sentin: the point is, you have to do that in every 'window' you are typing in

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opello:

or every terminal

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Sentin:

ahh

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opello:

it doesn't persist or magically go everywhere

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Sentin:

so in the window I am trying to ./configure mythtv in I type that first then ./configure and it should find it?

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opello:

yup

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Sentin:

Alright I'll try it

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Sentin:

Looks like it worked. Thanks a ton Opello

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opello:

np

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pillsburyDOEboi:

<opello> how can i return to tuner configuration page again my channels went black,

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cesman:

you need to stop the backend

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cesman:

[05:47:26]

cesman:

<alt><s> will take you back to mythtv-setup

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cesman:

after you've completed your configuration, <alt><1> to restart the backend

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pillsburyDOEboi:

man, is there a list for these commands posted somewhere, when you go read the docs it sounds so complicated, and you guys know it like the back of your hands

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Kirrilian:

Anduin, looks like all the channels are there, it is indeed a cruel joke...

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Kirrilian:

Anduin, thanks for your help :)

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Sentin:

Pillsbury: Its mainly googling to figure stuff out =)

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Sentin:

Thats what I have been doing the past 6hrs

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pillsburyDOEboi:

the install script also gave a boot to my kworld remote, it says i should run lirc setup on my own

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pillsburyDOEboi:

it takes quite a while to stop the backend

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Sentin:

I have a feeling this install is going to take a couple hours on a 1.5ghz

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hannes_:

hello, i've setup lirc properly it works quite well with irw, i'm using a lircrc in the .mythtv direcotory i would like to use my remote control to navigate with the up down buttons the mythfrontend, but it doesn't work. can anyone tell me where to start looking for help

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Jack3:

anyone around?

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Jack3:

gah

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Jack3:

this is so gay

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Neeesat25:

Good Morning

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Neeesat25:

I have made a recording last night and I have try to edit and cut some unwanted parts but I got a message "Not Seekable"

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Neeesat25:

I can not edit the file

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Neeesat25:

Is there a way to change this?

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Jack3:

hey

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Jack3:

do you use a home made ir transmitter

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xris:

Neeesat25: mythcommflag --help | grep rebuild

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Jack3:

xris

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Neeesat25:

xris: what does it do?

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Jack3:

i get a an error from time out when i try to send a command to the ir serial :(

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Neeesat25:

Jack3 I use home made ir serial receiver

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Jack3:

oh not a transmtiter

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Jack3:

for chaning channel on cable box?

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Neeesat25:

I dont have a cable box

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Jack3:

ah

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Neeesat25:

I have mythbox with sat card

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Neeesat25:

xris: what does 'mythcommflag --help | grep rebuild' do?

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Dibblah:

Neeesat25: It doesn't do anything.

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Dibblah:

It just shows you the help related to rebuilding the seektable with mythcommflag.

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juski:

morning all

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Neeesat25:

I can edit other recordings with no problem but it's the only one that has this problem

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Neeesat25:

Morning juski

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juski:

Neeesat25: no seektable?

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Neeesat25:

might be sorry

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juski:

try running mysqlcheck mythconverg to make sure the recordedmarkup table is in good shape, then mythcommflag --rebuild $foobar

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Jack3:

juski, i dont suppose you have an IR transmitter

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Jack3:

?

[08:37:43]

juski:

where $foobar is the filename of the recording (IIRC) or its chanid_starttime

[08:37:54]

juski:

Jack3: nope, sorry

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Neeesat25:

so it's going to be like: mythcommflag --rebuild 03012006.mpg?

[08:39:26]

juski:

Neeesat25: something like that

[08:39:33]

juski:

check the table first though

[08:39:52]

Neeesat25:

ok thanks

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juski:

it's the only one I've ever had problems with corruption, and only then since I started using ubuntu

[08:43:00]

Neeesat25:

Juski: I made 'mysqlcheck mythconverg' and got OK to all listed

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juski:

cool

[08:43:49]

Neeesat25:

so now I do mythcommflag --rebuild 03012006.mpg?

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juski:

mythcommflag --help will tell you you'd need to use mythcommflag --rebuild -f $filename

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juski:

if you also want to flag commercials, omit the '--rebuild' part, if I remember right

[08:48:44]

Neeesat25:

--rebuild Do not flag commercials, just rebuild seektable

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Neeesat25:

yea

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juski:

drop database ampache;

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juski:

oopsie

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Neeesat25:

I am not at home now, Is there a way to check which is which is the recording I have to do?

[08:51:19]

juski:

if you know the show's starttime & chanid, the filename will be chanid_startttime.mpg

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juski:

another thing mythweb is handy for

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Neeesat25:

yea but I dont have setup

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juski:

then I'd wait til you get home

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juski:

doesn't take very long to rebuild a seek table

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Neeesat25:

yea to be sure

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Neeesat25:

Ok juski Thanks

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wireddd:

I have never been able to get my pvr150's remote to work,

[09:01:28]

wireddd:

what do I need to do in order to get lirc working?

[09:07:04]

wireddd:

I think I have all of the module loaded, but how do I get them to map to keys

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doc_:

hi

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ivor:

mornin all

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juski:

morning ivor

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Ruleke:

good morning

[09:13:41]

juski:

time for me to head to work I think

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ivor:

juski: !

[09:13:53]

ivor:

grrr

[09:14:57]

ivor:

damn, wife returned home last night early. thought I'd get a full week of hacking.

[09:16:00]

ivor:

had got all my new aeriel bit boxes opened up in the living room... and the epia open, wires trailing everywhere and laptop hooked up for diagnosis.

[09:18:14]

Neeesat25:

I have a problem when changing to an encrypted sattelite channel. I get 'Error was encountered while displaying Video' and I have only one option to Return to main menu

[09:20:49]

Neeesat25:

Anyone knows why this is happening?

[09:24:08]

Ruleke:

check the log ?

[09:25:43]

Neeesat25:

Which log shows that info?

[09:31:00]

Dibblah:

Neeesat25: Is this an unmodified Myth install with a hardware CAM?

[09:33:03]

Neeesat25:

unmodified? I have build it but I use a cam with subscriper Sat card

[09:33:50]

Neeesat25:

I can see the channels of my card but if by mistake I tune to a channel that can not decrypted I get that message

[09:35:05]

Dibblah:

Yup. You will.

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Dibblah:

There is currently no signal monitoring with the CAM code.

[09:36:28]

Dibblah:

So if it can't decrypt, it doesn't pass that to the frontend.

[09:36:44]

Dibblah:

Remove the unencryptable channels :(

[09:37:22]

Neeesat25:

Is there a fix for it?

[09:37:34]

Dibblah:

As above.

[09:37:50]

Neeesat25:

Sometime If my card is not able to clear the channels early I get this also to my cards channels

[09:38:00]

Dibblah:

Daniel has said he will look at it soon, but I don't know when soon is, or if it applies to this issue.

[09:38:23]

Dibblah:

I've never seen that with a hardware CAM.

[09:38:58]

Neeesat25:

Sometimes My card needs an update and takes some time for it

[09:39:28]

Neeesat25:

most of the times is ok but happens

[09:40:17]

Neeesat25:

Daniel is a programer?

[09:40:21]

Dibblah:

Yes.

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Dibblah:

The main maintainer of the DVB code.

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Neeesat25:

Lets hope then it will be soon

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Neeesat25:

At least I have relax for my installation. I thought the problem was mine

[09:44:11]

Dibblah:

However, the easiest way is to remove the channels you can't decrypt :)

[09:45:12]

Neeesat25:

yes thats I am going to do, at least for now to minimize the error as possible

[09:45:43]

Ruleke:

I still have some chans I can't decrypt in there too ...

[09:45:56]

Neeesat25:

Anyway to prolong the waiting for decrypt?

[09:47:40]

Enverex:

I thought maybe it would complete eventually but it's been running for 10 hours now and is still going

[09:53:34]

Neeesat25:

Enverex: Is you backend on the same PC as your frontend?

[09:55:08]

wireddd:

which lircrc should I use for a pvr150? (non-mce)

[09:55:49]

Enverex:

Neeesat25, yes

[09:56:37]

Neeesat25:

Is you password, ip, database name correct in mythtv-setup?

[09:56:50]

Neeesat25:

It took just seconds for me

[09:58:25]

Enverex:

Neeesat25, Yes

[10:01:11]

Neeesat25:

You had this from the start of the installation. Also what is your CPU?

[10:01:33]

Enverex:

AMD Sempron 3000+

[10:01:46]

Enverex:

and yes, I only installed it yesterday so it's "always done it" heh

[10:06:21]

Ruleke:

and 11364 it seems

[10:13:19]

Enverex:

Neeesat25, ... so, any ideas?

[10:15:59]

Enverex:

The most annoying thing is when I kill it it ends up starting from scratch the next time around

[10:17:09]

Ruleke:

what grabber are you using ?

[10:18:02]

Enverex:

Grabber? Erm not sure which part that is, it's xmltv (I think it's called) grabbing from the Radio Times website as far as I can tell

[10:18:53]

Neeesat25:

Enverex: no dono

[10:19:00]

** Enverex sighs **

[10:19:08]

Enverex:

Guess I'll uninstall then

[10:20:58]

ivor:

Enverex: strace onto the process and see what it's doing (if its thrashing the disk and hitting 100% cpu)

[10:21:33]

Enverex:

ivor, I can't do anything, I the only hope of getting the machine back is holding ctrl+c for a minute or so

[10:22:15]

ivor:

connect to the box from another machine

[10:22:29]

Enverex:

Can't, it's killed off most other processes

[10:22:31]

ivor:

another thing to try is to run the tv_grab_rt script manually

[10:23:10]

juski:

I thought the days of tv_grab_uk_rt being such a bundle of 'joy' were long gone....

[10:23:17]

ivor:

see if anything interesting pops up on the screen

[10:23:26]

ivor:

juski: I just EIT everything these days

[10:23:53]

juski:

can't get EIT for Discovery channel

[10:24:08]

ivor:

Enverex: hit ctrl-z instead of ctrl-c then to freeze the process

[10:24:46]

Enverex:

What's worse is that for it to reach 100% it seems to take about half an hour with the processor at 100% load

[10:24:46]

ivor:

the eit's 14 days now isn't it?

[10:25:12]

ivor:

Enverex: so strace to it before it the ram usage hits 100%

[10:25:26]

ivor:

then check the contents of /proc/<pid>/

[10:25:47]

juski:

ivor: nah, there's a paid-for 14-day guide but the FTA EIT is 7 days if you're lucky

[10:26:03]

Enverex:

ivor, how do I do that?

[10:26:13]

ivor:

Enverex: the strace comment was the second part of the ctrl-z comment

[10:26:18]

ivor:

stick in my clipboard!

[10:26:28]

ivor:

juski: really. oh thought it was more than 7 days.

[10:26:36]

ivor:

anyway, "works for me"(tm)

[10:26:42]

Enverex:

Neeesat25, Why would it be so fast for you but take like, 30 mins to do the download or whatever it's doing and then go crazy =/

[10:26:48]

Enverex:

ivor, yes, but how do I "strace"

[10:27:10]

ivor:

"man strace"

[10:27:29]

ivor:

if it's not there.... 1. install strace. 2. man strace

[10:27:49]

ivor:

but just running tv_grab from the command line may give you a clue what's going on

[10:28:22]

quicksilver:

I hooked up my mythtv system to a project last night and watched the torchwood finale on a 60" 'virtual screen'

[10:28:31]

quicksilver:

really made me wonder if I could ever care about HD

[10:28:42]

quicksilver:

I could see the pores in the actors skin just with plain DVB/SD

[10:28:50]

ivor:

and that's a good thing?

[10:29:03]

quicksilver:

if you're a pore-fetishist, presumably

[10:29:19]

quicksilver:

no, my point is, if the definition is high enough to make that detail out, I wonder what would persuade me I wanted HD

[10:29:32]

Ruleke:

hairs in the pores

[10:30:10]

quicksilver:

and people tell me UK DVB is not that great quality, too

[10:30:22]

quicksilver:

(I guess the nature of fixed bitrate is it looks better when stuff isn't moving around too much though)

[10:31:42]

Enverex:

ivor, "man strace" doesn't help at all when I have no idea what I am supposed to be doing with it

[10:31:45]

juski:

it's not fixed bitrate

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Enverex:

I saw the "Torchwood Unclassified" once, I thought it was a spoof because it looked so cheesy :/

[10:32:26]

juski:

Torchwoord Declassified.. that was like a behind the scenes thing

[10:32:39]

juski:

and yes, it's cheesy

[10:32:51]

juski:

but how much scifi isn't cheesy? ;)

[10:33:06]

Dibblah:

Babylon 5.

[10:33:09]

Dibblah:

Oh, wait :)

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juski:

rofl

[10:33:22]

ivor:

Enverex: did you read the man page?

[10:33:41]

Enverex:

ivor, yes, and now I'm looking at the internals of XML files slowly scrolling up the screen

[10:33:52]

juski:

quicksilver: compared to US mpeg2 HD, our dvb-t doesn't come off too badly

[10:34:12]

ivor:

Enverex: you probably want to pipe the output into a file to be honest

[10:34:22]

ivor:

but now you can see all the system calls that the process is making

[10:34:36]

Enverex:

I find it curious that lots of PC DVB-T recievers claim to support HD

[10:34:43]

Enverex:

(UK ones)

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Dibblah:

Not odd at all.

[10:34:50]

Enverex:

I wasn't aware there was DVB-T HD

[10:34:51]

ivor:

so when it sits at 100% grinding away you can look at the log file and see what it was doing

[10:34:55]

Dibblah:

They do support HD rates.

[10:34:57]

ivor:

Enverex: they do support HD

[10:35:00]

Enverex:

ah

[10:35:01]

juski:

there isn't officially dvb-t HD yet

[10:35:17]

Dibblah:

... And the powers that be don't believe there will be.

[10:35:19]

juski:

nor will there be til 2012 at the earliest

[10:35:44]

juski:

are the london trials over now? and if so does that mean the transmissions will cease?

[10:36:04]

quicksilver:

juski: it isn't fixed bitrate? what do they do with the 'spare bits' then?

[10:36:21]

quicksilver:

juski: or do they go slightly asynchronous to allow more bits for busy action sequences?

[10:36:46]

juski:

quicksilver: they allocate streams a share of total bitrate AFAIK

[10:37:04]

juski:

which can change

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ivor:

juski: I think they're still transmitting.

[10:37:37]

ivor:

certainly got a load of number##number channels when I scanned last

[10:37:54]

ivor:

of course they could be blank.

[10:38:37]

juski:

I think stuarta has kept a fair few hd recordings from the test muxes anyway, so all will not be lost if the HD streams are off air

[10:42:50]

quicksilver:

juski: you explained the other day that PAL widescreen is the same 'resolution' as ordinary PAL just stretched differently. Or did I misunderstand?

[10:43:07]

ivor:

quicksilver: correct

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Enverex:

Ok, found what it's doing

[10:43:29]

Enverex:

It's printing "time(NULL) = 1167907286" with the number slowly increasing, about a million times a second

[10:44:11]

quicksilver:

Ok, so how does it work on old TVs?

[10:44:22]

quicksilver:

how come an old TV 'magically letterboxes' a widescreen broadcast?

[10:44:22]

ivor:

quicksilver: ?

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Enverex:

ivor, ?

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ivor:

quicksilver: through a set top box you mean?

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Dibblah:

quicksilver: Connected through SCART?

[10:45:13]

quicksilver:

yes, for example, through a set top box

[10:45:26]

Dibblah:

If so, there's a signal line that specifies the aspect ratio.

[10:45:30]

quicksilver:

oh

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ivor:

most set-top-boxes have a "what ration is my tv setting" ratio

[10:45:41]

quicksilver:

that explains it :)

[10:45:50]

ivor:

and if you set 4:3 it chops

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** quicksilver nods **

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Dibblah:

Otherwise, there's a signal embedded in line 23 (IIRC)

[10:46:18]

quicksilver:

what would it look like if it was dumb and did nothing? anamorphically squashed in at the edges?

[10:46:24]

ivor:

yup, which toggles the widescreen mode of the TV. if it supports it.

[10:46:27]

ivor:

and the TV letterboxes.

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** quicksilver nods **

[10:47:45]

Enverex:

... guys? You tell me to strace it then just ignore me

[10:48:30]

ivor:

so I guess it's stuck in a loop.

[10:48:40]

ivor:

did you try runnig tv-grab from the command line yet?

[10:48:50]

quicksilver:

and some posh modern TVs do slightly clevering things than letterboxing? like losing just a little from each edge and allowing a small amount of distortion which looks OK?

[10:49:13]

Enverex:

ivor, Yeah, can't remember if that did the same though =/

[10:49:38]

Enverex:

ivor, it's mythfilldatabase that is looping btw, the script exited earlier

[10:50:34]

ivor:

ok. next gdb attach to the mythfilldatabase process and do bt

[10:50:40]

ivor:

to find where it is in the code.

[10:51:05]

** Enverex sighs **

[10:51:11]

** ivor shrugs **

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Enverex:

So I assume there isn't some easy way around this?

[10:53:08]

ivor:

sure

[10:53:25]

ivor:

wait for someone else to have the same problem and fix it. then copy what they did.

[10:54:06]

Enverex:

...

[10:54:32]

Enverex:

I swear, I wouldn't hate Linux so much if I actually ever got to USE apps rather than spending all my time trying to install or set them up

[10:54:46]

quicksilver:

got nothing at all to do with linux

[10:54:57]

Enverex:

It's a general app trend

[10:55:02]

quicksilver:

it's do with with really complicated problems with many variables being solved for free in a distributed fashion

[10:55:07]

Enverex:

ivor, I can't run the tv script alone because it says a config file already exists and if I dont overwrite it cencels

[10:55:59]

quicksilver:

the community-developed solution supports a hugely wider set of variables, but that means the possible interactions are complex and the devs can't possibly test everything

[10:58:05]

ivor:

Enverex: tv_grab_uk_rt --config-file ~/.xmltv/tv_grab_uk_rt.conf

[10:58:06]

Dibblah:

quicksilver: And how does that help anyone?

[10:58:11]

ivor:

(I think)

[10:58:37]

ivor:

I don't run the script myself so I'm not sure that's the location of the config fle

[10:58:38]

quicksilver:

Dibblah: how does what help anyone? my remarks?

[11:00:03]

Dibblah:

Yes.

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Ruleke:

Enverex: xmltv scripts will only ask you to create a new config file when none exist normally. You are running it under a different user ?

[11:00:33]

Enverex:

Ruleke, No, seems I had --configure at the end

[11:00:38]

Ruleke:

or if you do the --config, or if it was still unconfigured

[11:00:38]

Enverex:

remvoed that and running it now

[11:00:44]

Ruleke:

there you go

[11:00:48]

Dibblah:

Enverex: How many channels are in your xmltv config file?

[11:00:54]

quicksilver:

Dibblah: I didn't have to sign anything promising my remarks would be helpful. However, I made the remarks because I thought they explained why a community-developed project like myth which copes with such a vast array of configurations

[11:01:00]

quicksilver:

Dibblah: is prone to have compatibility issues

[11:01:12]

quicksilver:

Dibblah: and they these in themselves don't really consitutate a reason to hate Linux

[11:01:12]

Enverex:

Dibblah, I have no idea, I just selected "UK Alternative" didn't seem to have any choice

[11:01:44]

Dibblah:

Errr... That probably means you don't have any channels configured.

[11:01:45]

Ruleke:

it will ask you about the channels when configuring probably (I'm not in the UK myself)

[11:01:49]

Enverex:

quicksilver, You think this compares to Sky+? haha

[11:01:50]

ivor:

Enverex: take a look in that ~/.xml.. file and check how many channels are there.

[11:02:08]

Dibblah:

~/.mythtv/(sourcename).xml

[11:02:13]

Enverex:

Dibblah, Well it's running for ages

[11:02:14]

ivor:

Dibblah: ta.

[11:02:30]

quicksilver:

Enverex: it 'compares', yes. There are a lot of reasons why myth is better, and those reasons are why I use it. But it's a comparable product.

[11:02:58]

Dibblah:

It does. The RT site provides an amalgamation of all of the channels into one xml file.

[11:03:08]

quicksilver:

Enverex: Sky+ is tightly integrated with a particular service and a particular hardware/software platform and presumably tested fairly well, and mythtv supports a massive range of platforms, making it harder to test compeltely.

[11:03:10]

Enverex:

quicksilver, 254

[11:03:22]

quicksilver:

254?

[11:03:23]

Dibblah:

There's no way to just grab the channels you're interested in.

[11:03:25]

Enverex:

Dibblah, 254, sorry

[11:03:27]

quicksilver:

:)

[11:03:39]

ivor:

Enverex: ouch.

[11:03:55]

ivor:

Enverex: I'm guessing you don't receive 254 channels. :)

[11:03:57]

Enverex:

quicksilver, Yes, but there is one critical difference at the moment. Sky+ WORKS. That's my problem right now.

[11:03:57]

Dibblah:

What's your backend machine's specs?

[11:04:08]

Enverex:

Dibblah, Sempy 3000+

[11:04:15]

Dibblah:

Memory?

[11:04:17]

Dibblah:

Swap?

[11:04:29]

Ruleke:

soem xmltv scripts are badly coded wrt memory usage :-/

[11:04:42]

Enverex:

256MB, 1GB SWAP (I do have 512MB for it but I need to SWAP it with someone else because this motherboard doesn't like it which is annoying)

[11:04:44]

Dibblah:

It's mfd itsself. The script is OK.

[11:05:05]

Ruleke:

thank god

[11:05:15]

Ruleke:

lunch time

[11:05:21]

Dibblah:

Enverex: Try stripping down the number of channels to just one for the moment.

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Enverex:

Ok, did that and the script completed

[11:06:57]

Dibblah:

And populated that channel?

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Enverex:

Well I assume so from all the crap scrolling up the terminal

[11:07:26]

Dibblah:

Errr. Okay :)

[11:07:54]

Dibblah:

Try running mythfilldatabase with just that channel in the config file.

[11:08:23]

Enverex:

Seemed to have worked..

[11:08:48]

Dibblah:

BTW, have you configured the xmltvids in Myth?

[11:09:10]

Dibblah:

(This isn't automatic with the uk_rt grabber :(

[11:09:11]

Enverex:

Why does the backend fail on simple things rather than just continuing and giving warnings about things that failed, it's insanely infuriating

[11:09:40]

Dibblah:

Eh? I've never seen the backend just stop.

[11:09:56]

Dibblah:

There was a cleanup some time ago to stop it from doing that.

[11:10:31]

quicksilver:

Dibblah: I thought xmltvids were automatic as of some version between 0.18 and now?

[11:10:34]

Enverex:

It keeps complaining about not being able to contact the master backend server

[11:10:39]

Dibblah:

quicksilver: Nope.

[11:11:01]

Dibblah:

Enverex: You don't have mythbackend running. And mythfilldatabase is _meant_ to stop ;)

[11:11:09]

Enverex:

Well, the backend seems to be running but that's why filldatabase complains about that now

[11:11:14]

Enverex:

*what

[11:11:26]

Dibblah:

quicksilver: That only applies to some grabbers :(

[11:11:38]

Enverex:

Dibblah, I mean it kept stopping when I was first trying to set it up

[11:12:07]

Enverex:

http://pastebin.ca/304499

[11:12:11]

Dibblah:

Hmmm... It should never stop, unless it's badly misconfigured :(

[11:12:41]

Dibblah:

Yup. It's not there :(

[11:13:04]

Enverex:

gamepc@firefly ~ $ ps -e | grep myth

[11:13:04]

Enverex:

9884 ? 00:00:00 mythbackend

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Dibblah:

Are you running Mythbackend as a different user to the one running mythfilldatabase?

[11:13:29]

Enverex:

Not that I'm aware of but Gentoo may be doing something stupid, 1 sec

[11:13:38]

Dibblah:

Oh yay. Gentoo.

[11:13:57]

Dibblah:

I'm pretty sure it runs as mythtv.

[11:14:03]

Enverex:

>.<

[11:14:10]

wireddd:

I am so close to getting everything working, all I have left are a few of my remote keys are notworking/doing the wrong things

[11:14:16]

Enverex:

No then as mythtv isn't a user I can log in and run things as

[11:14:50]

Dibblah:

ps aux |grep myth

[11:14:57]

wireddd:

is there any way I can map my channel up/down buttons on my remote to do page up and page down in the guide?

[11:15:10]

Enverex:

mythtv 9884 0.0 7.1 71972 18456 ? Ssl 11:08 0:00 /usr/bin/mythbackend --verbose none --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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Dibblah:

Okay. It's running as mythtv :)

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Dibblah:

So... The config file specifying the database is in ~mythtv/.mythtv

[11:17:17]

Enverex:

Still doesn't work when I run the backend as this user, still complains it can't connect

[11:17:40]

Dibblah:

Check the logfile.

[11:17:58]

Dibblah:

And remove that --verbose none, if you can.

[11:18:25]

Enverex:

hmm, I was running it simply as "mythbackend" as this user

[11:18:39]

Dibblah:

Yup. That'd be fine.

[11:18:45]

Dibblah:

You want to see the output.

[11:18:45]

Enverex:

But no logfile, heh

[11:18:48]

wireddd:

what should the "config=" in my lircrc file for the play button be set to?

[11:19:52]

Dibblah:

wireddd: I have config = P

[11:20:14]

wireddd:

so play and pause are the same?

[11:20:15]

Dibblah:

However, that's not always right for your environment.

[11:20:18]

Dibblah:

:)

[11:21:10]

wireddd:

well it certainly shouldn't be Up which is what the file I started with had

[11:21:21]

Dibblah:

Have a look at keys.txt for the proper bindings.

[11:22:02]

Dibblah:

Enverex: Which guide are you following for the install?

[11:22:27]

juski:

Dibblah: of course there's a way to only grab the channels you're interested in with uk_rt. I don't get it going through the whole gamut just for my cable channels

[11:22:55]

juski:

as for the xmltvid input – a long, long time ago I started work on a wizard but got bored with it

[11:23:21]

juski:

enter postcode / provider, then it'd do a whole load of stuff automagically – that was the idea

[11:24:10]

Enverex:

Dibblah, The.. i need t g o do somrthing for aminute

[11:24:14]

wireddd:

can you have one button with more that one config?

[11:24:46]

juski:

wireddd: usually

[11:24:46]

wireddd:

ie channel down is both down and pagedown

[11:25:14]

juski:

wireddd: 3 & 9 work as pgup & pgdn

[11:25:24]

Dibblah:

juski: Apologies. I seem to remember that the RT site only provided One Big File. Looking through the grabber set me straight.

[11:27:21]

ivor:

Dibblah: the only problem/issue/slight-unpleasantness still is that is provides one fat file for all 14 days rather than allowing you to select what days you want.

[11:28:04]

Enverex:

Dibblah, I was following the Gentoo Wiki guide

[11:33:22]

wireddd:

which type of deinterlacing works the best?

[11:33:27]

juski:

Enverex: when you first set up the video source in mythtv-setup – that ran tv_grab_uk_rt --configure – how many channels did you tell it?

[11:33:39]

juski:

wireddd: depends. if you're using xvmx, bob works best

[11:33:56]

Dibblah:

Indeed, none of the others work.

[11:34:25]

Enverex:

juski, It didn't give me a choice, it just let me select "UK (alternative)" and that seemed to be it

[11:35:02]

qu0zl:

is alternative definitely the rt one? not bleb or whatever it's called

[11:35:45]

Enverex:

That was the only UK option in mythtv-setup

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ivor:

Enverex: you should have then had a console window opened running tv_grab_uk that was prompting for input.

[11:38:47]

ivor:

where you select the list of channels you want

[11:38:49]

asperon:

is there any easy way to get xine to autoload subtitles if they exist?

[11:38:52]

ivor:

and it's a tedious process.

[11:38:58]

Enverex:

ivor, It didn't prompt, it just started grabbing the entire thing like before

[11:39:11]

Enverex:

I had to alt+tab to bring it up

[11:39:36]

juski:

yeah

[11:39:39]

asperon:

since adding the subtitles to the cmd in myth would work it seems, or?

[11:39:46]

juski:

did you just lazily cop out & add them all?

[11:41:00]

juski:

Enverex: you could always run tv_grab_uk_rt --configure manually & copy the resultant .xmltv file to /home/mythtv/.mythtv/$videosourcename.xmltv

[11:41:18]

Enverex:

juski, I didn't "lazily cop out" I already told you, it didn't ask me anything, it just did it

[11:42:06]

juski:

but when you run tv_grab_uk_rt --configure – which is what mythtv-setup does when you have to alt-tab – it should ask which channels you want

[11:42:25]

juski:

unless I'm out of date with what tv_grab_uk_rt now does of course

[11:42:59]

Enverex:

juski, But I do want most of the channels, it's just a few I don't want

[11:43:05]

Enverex:

So I don't see what's wrong with "all"

[11:43:33]

juski:

well, I had a lot of problems with uk_rt when I first started out, so at first I only did it for a couple of channels

[11:43:37]

quicksilver:

'all' includes every regional variant of BBC1, for example

[11:43:48]

quicksilver:

(and ITV, and all the other channels which have regional variants)

[11:44:20]

quicksilver:

it also includes some non-freeview channels which RT happens to havge schedules for, I think?

[11:44:30]

juski:

plenty of them

[11:44:33]

Enverex:

I'll just go in and delete the ones I dont want

[11:44:51]

juski:

if this is for dvb-t, I'd be tempted to delete everything & just use EIT

[11:45:22]

juski:

Enverex: deleting the channels is one thing, but if they're in the .xmltv file in the 1st place, they'll end up being added again

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Enverex:

juski, True

[11:46:12]

juski:

it's a royal PITA to have to run tv_grab_uk_rt --configure, but take heart in the fact you only ever need do it the once

[11:46:30]

Enverex:

juski, Not really, new channels keep popping up

[11:46:34]

ivor:

juski: someone should write a wizard.

[11:46:48]

juski:

someone should care enough to write a wizard, you're right

[11:46:49]

Enverex:

erm, does MythTV work with Analogue TV?

[11:46:56]

ivor:

I think someone started once. but they were a real slacker and got bored with it.

[11:47:03]

** juski laughs **

[11:47:08]

ivor:

Enverex: yes

[11:47:12]

juski:

I heard they went off to make some kickass themes

[11:47:26]

ivor:

yeah? cool. wonder when they'll be done.

[11:47:45]

juski:

maybe they finished the themes & want to have a rest

[11:49:15]

juski:

Enverex: anyway, if a new channel pops up you just add its xmltvid into the .xmltvid file

[11:49:17]

Enverex:

But this doesn't explain why it keeps saying it can't connect to the master backend

[11:49:34]

juski:

well is the master backend running?

[11:49:45]

Enverex:

yes

[11:50:44]

juski:

and mythfilldatabase can't connect to the backend?

[11:50:55]

juski:

mysql.txt?

[11:51:12]

juski:

running mythfilldatabase as a different user to the user mythbackend is running as?

[11:51:18]

Enverex:

No and no

[11:51:24]

Enverex:

erm, yes and no

[11:52:34]

Enverex:

I added the myth database to mysql before and I assumed that would have set up the mythtv user but maybe it didnt

[11:56:34]

juski:

mythtv-setup wouldn't have run if the db was shot to hell or not there

[11:57:53]

Enverex:

It seems the mysql database is fine, it's just mythbackend that it wont connect to

[11:58:25]

juski:

just do a quick check.. ps -ef |grep mythbackend

[11:59:46]

wireddd:

when is the next new episode of mythbusters?

[11:59:59]

Enverex:

It's not running now because I just killed it but it was running before

[12:03:07]

Enverex:

ARGH

[12:03:13]

Enverex:

this is starting to really piss me off

[12:03:26]

Enverex:

"Could not connect to the master backend server — is it running? is the blah blah blah"

[12:03:27]

juski:

wireddd: folks are always busting myth

[12:04:08]

Enverex:

gamepc@firefly ~ $ ps -ef |grep mythbackend

[12:04:08]

Enverex:

gamepc 10126 9781 0 12:00 pts/2 00:00:00 mythbackend --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

[12:04:14]

wireddd:

I break mine almost every time I apt-get upgrade

[12:04:17]

Enverex:

See, it's running, WHY DOESN'T IT WORK >.<

[12:04:58]

wireddd:

its running as the wrong user

[12:04:58]

wireddd:

isn't it

[12:05:08]

wireddd:

?

[12:05:30]

Enverex:

No

[12:05:41]

Enverex:

look at the user who it's running as, look at who ran ps

[12:05:53]

Enverex:

gamepc ran it, gamepc is trying to use it

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quicksilver:

but if you installed mythtv to run as mythtv

[12:06:02]

juski:

did you run mythtv-setup as that user too ?

[12:06:06]

quicksilver:

then it won't work if you now run it as gamepc

[12:06:16]

quicksilver:

cos the permissions on all sorts of things will be wrong

[12:07:01]

Enverex:

quicksilver, The only permissions would be for mysql and it's logging in to that fine

[12:07:05]

Enverex:

juski, yes

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Enverex:

No errors/issues from stdout/err with mythbackend either

[12:11:28]

** juski looks for his wizardy type thingy **

[12:11:44]

juski:

ahh shite I started that when I was still on gentoo

[12:12:34]

juski:

Enverex: what kind of setup is this for, just out of curiousity? freeview? analogue? cable /$ky ?

[12:13:08]

Enverex:

Analog currently, I'll be adding a DVB-T to the machine later at some point though

[12:13:24]

Enverex:

juski, What distro do you use now?

[12:13:27]

quicksilver:

well then you only have 5 channels

[12:13:33]

quicksilver:

so I really don't think you want all 254

[12:13:36]

quicksilver:

:)

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juski:

:)

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Enverex:

quicksilver, Doesn't matter how many I have, it still can't connect to the backend

[12:13:44]

Enverex:

EVER

[12:13:57]

quicksilver:

yes, sorry about that. Was referring back to earlier conversation.

[12:14:06]

juski:

can you connect to the backend?

[12:14:16]

juski:

it has a status port

[12:14:27]

Dibblah:

And this is all on one machine, right?

[12:15:11]

Enverex:

Dibblah, yes

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Enverex:

juski, How'd I do that?

[12:15:22]

ivor:

does "mythfilldatabase -v all" log anything interesting

[12:15:33]

juski:

Enverex: point a web browser at localhost:6544

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Enverex:

Can't connect

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juski:

Enverex: and the status port says... ?

[12:18:39]

Enverex:

"Can't connect" as I said

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ivor:

netstat -lpn | grep mythbackend

[12:18:59]

ivor:

is it listening

[12:19:46]

Enverex:

No

[12:20:01]

ivor:

netstat didn't produce anything?

[12:20:06]

Enverex:

Nope

[12:20:12]

ivor:

right, so you have a problem.

[12:20:19]

ivor:

run mythbackend with verbose logging

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ivor:

and see what that says

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Enverex:

What level?

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ivor:

since nothing's working. -v all would be a good start

[12:22:39]

Enverex:

I don't see any issues =/

[12:25:21]

Dibblah:

Pastebin it.

[12:25:37]

Enverex:

Trying, that machine is rather minimal so it's kinda hard

[12:26:14]

quicksilver:

can't you ssh to it from a terminal which supports copy-paste?

[12:30:12]

juski:

ChannelBase(2) Error: InitializeInputs(): Could not get inputs for the capturecard. Perhaps you have forgotten to bind video sources to your card's inputs?

[12:31:02]

juski:

food for thought

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Enverex:

Yeah, I deleted the "video" because that was the channel thing killing the machine

[12:31:39]

Enverex:

I shouldn't need an EPG for Myth to function

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juski:

you at least need to bind a video source to the card input, even if it had no EPG data

[12:32:49]

juski:

if you choose to selectively follow setup instructions how can it be a surprise when stuff doesn't work?

[12:33:15]

Enverex:

I DID follow them all in the first place and it fucked up, now I'm trying different bits

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Dibblah:

The problem with the Gentoo guide is that it's mainly not xmltv based :(

[12:34:33]

Dibblah:

- Datadirect is SO much easier to setup.

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juski:

the gentoo guide is only good for getting the software installed & the database in place, as far as I was concerned

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Enverex:

Dibblah, Yeah well I'm not in the US

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juski:

very good for those bits

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Enverex:

I don't understand why Myth calls the EPG section "Video" that's just confusing

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juski:

I lobbied for it to be changed briefly but the argument against it would be that all the translations would need to be changed, existing howto guides etc etc etc

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juski:

god I don't half look like a giver-upper today

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Enverex:

"Video Sources" I immediately assumed the TV cards

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juski:

understandable

[12:38:36]

juski:

now EPG data sources on the other hand...

[12:38:47]

juski:

does what it says on the tin

[12:39:20]

juski:

to hell with history – I say let's get it changed

[12:39:51]

juski:

easy as owt to patch it...

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Enverex:

that's why I hadn't set that up properly, none of it made much sense =/

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juski:

pity there's not enough room to say "EPG data sources (nee video sources)"

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juski:

I think to say that none of it made much sense is unfair

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juski:

back to the problem in hand

[12:41:09]

juski:

stop mythbackend

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juski:

re-run mythtv-setup

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juski:

configure the 'video source' again

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juski:

bind it to the capture card input

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Enverex:

hmm, the "V4L" thing on the channel scan doesn't fit on, all I can see is "v4" and not the rest of it

[12:41:53]

juski:

dunno if analogue scanning even works

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Dibblah:

Sheesh. By the time that's set up and working, it'll be turned off :)

[12:42:28]

GreyFoxx:

Nifty the merge of mythvideo/dvd is on the go

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Enverex:

juski, Yeah, it seems to scan far too fast =/

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juski:

Enverex: I dunno if it EVER worked

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Enverex:

... so MythTV doesn't work with Analogue TV? NOW I find out after spending days on it

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juski:

anyway I'm going to piss off before I get all worked up about stuff & start being my nasty ogre-ish self

[12:43:46]

GreyFoxx:

It does work with analog TV, most of us are using analog tv

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juski:

I meant scanning

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GreyFoxx:

I dont know about the channel scan, I've never had to use it, but enough people have reported it working that I believe them :)

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juski:

the extent I know about w.r.t. analogue Tv is that you config the channels via adding them with the 'video source' & the 1st run of mythfilldatabase

[12:45:12]

juski:

then you run the channel editor to set their frequencies etc

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Enverex:

But how would you know their frequencies?

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juski:

er.. you find them out

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Enverex:

Mythtv-setup doesn't even show a display of the card

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juski:

either from other apps or you look them up

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** Enverex sighs **

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GreyFoxx:

You shouldn;t have to unless your cable company uses odd frequencies or if your xmltv listings don't show them all

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Enverex:

ANALOG

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Enverex:

Not Cable

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juski:

xmltv in the UK doesn't give you the frequencies

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Enverex:

Terrestrial

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GreyFoxx:

Enverex: basic cable is an analog broadcast

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GreyFoxx:

the cable is just a big antenna

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Dibblah:

GreyFoxx: Can be. Doesn't have to be.

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juski:

I don't think I've ever seen a UK-centric mythtv howto guide for analogue users

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GreyFoxx:

juski: Me either, suprisingly

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juski:

it always throws people & makes em give up, which I think is really funny

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Enverex:

Glad you find it ammusing

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juski:

it's not rocket science

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Enverex:

Well I don't see you getting it to work!

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juski:

I admit though that the xmltv config issue is seriously illogical

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jduggan_:

juski: rebuilding engines is not rocket science.. even after reading the theory, most people would struggle

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juski:

configure the channels via the 'video source' setup in mythtv-seutp – the part you have to alt-tab through. bind the source to the tuner card input

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juski:

oh sod it

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jduggan:

hah

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The_Ball:

what is a decent way to take one part of a news recording and compress to divx or simillar so i can email the story to a friend?

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Jaak_:

how do i sort the channels listed in the osd while watching tv

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kslater:

sort the channels?

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kslater:

you mean in the guide that comes up?

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kslater:

I'm getting a lot of transcode errors with shows from one box that get scheduled to transcode on a remote box. Is this a known issue?

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Beirdo:

oh fun.

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Beirdo:

so I'm actually implementing the denoising into gputrans now

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Beirdo:

I betcha it will not work until I debug the hell out of it, but nevertheless

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juski:

wow. imagining that mac mini sitting under my telly really is killing my nicotine craving

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juski:

kind of

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Ruleke:

:)

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Ruleke:

are you imagining it is spraying sweet sweet cigarette smoke into the room ?

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juski:

lol no

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Ruleke:

:)

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kslater:

ok. I don't get it. Been looking online and in trac and I can't determine if remote transcoding is supported or not. Can anyone say?

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juski:

I can say "dunno"

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kslater:

you have multiple backends though juski?

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juski:

not any more

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quicksilver:

I had the impression that transcoding could be done by any backend, not necessarily the one that recorded the file

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quicksilver:

but I'm not sure on that

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GreyFoxx:

quicksilver: I believe you are correct

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Ruleke:

yep

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Ruleke:

unless you set that option to only run jobs on the recording host

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kslater:

ok. so I get failures when it tries to do remote transcoding

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kslater:

now I need to figure out why

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juski:

hostnames of the backends the same?

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kslater:

no

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kslater:

settop / settop-2

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juski:

I know it sounds stupid, but there are folks who never change theirs

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kslater:

uh oh – 2007-01–04 08:04:22.792 Attempted to transcode myth://10.7.7.115:6543/1607_20070104070000.mpg. Mythtranscode is currently urnnable to transcode remote files.

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GreyFoxx:

kslater: Do you have your recordings directory mounted on that backend ?

[14:30:09]

kslater:

no

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juski:

maybe that's it then

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kslater:

each backend has it's own directory

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GreyFoxx:

kslater: That's likely your problem, and other than mergeing them and using a shared data store I don't know how you'd solve it

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kslater:

seems like time to set that option

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kslater:

thanks guys

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quicksilver:

ah

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** quicksilver nods **

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quicksilver:

yes most people I've heard discussing multiple backends have bneen sharing disks between them

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quicksilver:

rather than separate stores

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** kslater kinda likes the separation of spaces **

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kslater:

I have one fe/be with SDTV recording and one fe/be with HD OTA recording.

[14:33:45]

kslater:

maybe I need a grand unification plan

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quicksilver:

grand plans are good

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Sentin:

About how long does it take to install mythtv on a 1.5ghz?

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Sentin:

I let mine go overnight and its still not done

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juski:

apt-get install mythtv takes about 5 minutes

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GreyFoxx:

Sentin: Took about 2 hours on my P3 650 from blank harddrive to running box

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juski:

but if you're compiling it... oo how long is a piece of string?

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Sentin:

Well

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Sentin:

at full screen its

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Sentin:

long

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juski:

do you mean 'installing' or 'compiling' ?

[14:44:34]

juski:

and if 'compiling' do you mean 'emerging'?

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Sentin:

installing I ran the "make install"

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juski:

because on gentoo, emerge mythtv doesn't only do mythtv but its dependencies too

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Sentin:

I'm using SuSe 9.3

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juski:

then something is very, very wrong

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Sentin:

Could it been because of the screen saver?

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juski:

could be

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Sentin:

I believed it just moved so

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Sentin:

I turned the screen saver off, I guess I'll see what happens. Thanks

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juski:

takes my 800mhz athlon about 3 hours to build mythtv on its own – maybe another 2 or 3 to do the plugins

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Ruleke:

wow that's long

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Sentin:

Ahh ok I'll just let it run until I get back from school.

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Ruleke:

I just compiled myth on a p2–300 here

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juski:

even with a screensaver though – unless the screensaver is hogging your CPU....

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Sentin:

Well in thise case it would be

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juski:

Ruleke: I mean without distcc or ccache

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Sentin:

I can hardly move the mouse as it is during this install

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Sentin:

I do not have 3d aceleration for this video card.

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** juski makes a note to never use suse then **

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Sentin:

Ah I like SuSe its probly just cause I am running it on such a slow computer without 3d video accel

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Ruleke:

juski: yep

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Ruleke:

juski: my backend only

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Sentin:

Plus I am still learning linux so I only know SuSe

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juski:

1.5ghz isn't 'slow'

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** Ruleke tries to find out how long it tool **

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Ruleke:

s/tool/took

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Sentin:

Hmmm odd then. Well once I get to know linux better I can try Debian and others.

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Beirdo:

hehe. 1.5GHz slow? I remember the days of linux on a 386/DX-40

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Ruleke:

can't have been more than 5 hours

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Beirdo:

40MHz of raw power

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Sentin:

Well odds are I am going to install mythtv on a different computer I was just testing and figuring out what I had to do before my new HD came in to put into a diff box.

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Beirdo:

:)

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Sentin:

Well thanks guys

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Beirdo:

not a problemo

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jduggan:

i remember building nameservers out of 75mhz machines :|

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Ruleke:

Beirdo: hehe I remember an old DX-50.. not dx2.. so the bus speed was non-standard

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Beirdo:

fun stuff

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Ruleke:

yeah overheated my gfx card

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Beirdo:

whenever we catch ourselves thinking 1.5GHz is slow, we should recall the old POS that we started on (well those of us who've been doing linux for a while anyways)

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Beirdo:

13 years of linux for me. Jeez

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Ruleke:

hehe compiling a kernel was fun

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Beirdo:

oh GOD.

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Beirdo:

it would take 24h.

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Ruleke:

so was downloading the tarball over 14.4k modem

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Beirdo:

and that was a 1.2 kernel

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Beirdo:

the poor 386/DX-40 only had 4MB RAM, so compiling was a royal swapfest

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Milosch:

11 years ago was the 1.2, iirc

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Beirdo:

I started with a 1.1.59, I think, but started compiling them with the 1.2 series a bit later

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Beirdo:

don't fix what ain't broke, etc

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Beirdo:

Gah, it's been so long :)

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Ruleke:

:)

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Ruleke:

yeah but with 2.1 I was compiling almost daily

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Ruleke:

patching stuff in from cvs

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Dibblah:

Yeah, well, you would be. You chose to be odd.

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Milosch:

i used to download the slackware floppy sets using a dos packet driver setup

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Milosch:

late 94 or early 95

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Dibblah:

Even == Safe and boring :)

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Beirdo:

:)

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Ruleke:

hehe I used to do serial-port installs :)

[14:56:16]

Beirdo:

I started with a slackware floppy set :)

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juski:

eee I dunno. I only use linux cos it's the only way to get mythtv

[14:56:32]

Beirdo:

I 'borrowed' it from a friend who had downloaded it at school

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Milosch:

i had to make my way out of a nice internet connection in secret, fortunately there wasn't much security in place at the time

[14:56:50]

Beirdo:

then I ordered the slackware CDs for a while

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Beirdo:

heh

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Ruleke:

I still have some old original redhat ones :/

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Beirdo:

Oh, I remember with fond memories hacking my sendmail.cf to add a fidogate setup

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Beirdo:

that was fun

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Milosch:

oy

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Milosch:

hmm, it's 2007 now

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Beirdo:

I started in Apr 94, if I remember right... so almost 13 years

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** Milosch readjusts the internal timeline **

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Beirdo:

anyways, back to writing some gputrans code

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Beirdo:

I hope to try the first run at denoising today, even if it gives me crapped out frames

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Dibblah:

For what, if I may ask?

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Beirdo:

heh

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Milosch:

i do remember submitting my homepage to yahoo, was an immediate posting, or close

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GreyFoxx:

Mmm Slackware

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Ruleke:

must have been before windows 95 for me... not sure when that come out... probably 2001 ;)

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Beirdo:

basically, right now, I'm moving the yuvdenoise algorithm into the GPU for processing :)

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** GreyFoxx has a stack of slackware CD's sitting next to him **

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GreyFoxx:

They show up in the mail every once in awhile heh

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Milosch:

lifetime member? ;)

[15:00:12]

Beirdo:

nothing wrong with Slackware if you have the time and patience for it

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GreyFoxx:

Milosch: Yup

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Milosch:

heh

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Dibblah:

Beirdo: Interesting. SWScaling could be fun in the GPU as well.

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Beirdo:

I went Slackware -> Redhat 6.2 all the way to FC1 -> Ubuntu

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Beirdo:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

I save more time using slackware that users waste on dependancie/package problems :)

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GreyFoxx:

but then I'm also not just using it for a desktop either

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Beirdo:

yeah, SWScaling is pretty simple in the GPU.

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Ruleke:

that's why I use Debian :P

[15:01:25]

Beirdo:

GreyFoxx, yeah, it's good at what it does if you use it the way it's intended

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Milosch:

yes, i moved to redhat either before or at 4

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** GreyFoxx has major aversions to packages **

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GreyFoxx:

plus I'm a control freak

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** Beirdo has major aversions to having to constantly build stuff. :) **

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GreyFoxx:

and don't generally trust joe random binary I find online

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Beirdo:

I'm down to 4 running Linux boxes at home right now, but I was up to 7 at one point

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DVBMark:

Power to the Debian Penguin!

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Beirdo:

mind you, one of them runs like 8 vservers

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

building stuff for 7 servers is a PITA, hence wanting packages :)

[15:02:52]

Milosch:

i used to need 5 machines, but i gave up on them after a couple of moves

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Beirdo:

I could reduce one more

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Beirdo:

but it would take a lot of work

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Milosch:

i really liked my dual celeron overclock ;)

[15:03:38]

Beirdo:

move the fileserver onto the machine with mail/news/web

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Beirdo:

but moving a 4-drive RAID5 causes fun with things not fitting in the case, etc

[15:04:23]

Beirdo:

ah well

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Beirdo:

enough of a coding break...

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** Beirdo puts his nose back on the code grindstone for a bit :) **

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fryfrog:

Milosch: Abit BP6?

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Milosch:

fryfrog: i wish, i think it was a gigabyte

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Milosch:

the board eventually died, i was running one socket w/adapter and one slot, both modified to run dual

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Milosch:

tiny drill bit and rewiring, etc.

[15:07:50]

Milosch:

then overclocked from 300 to 450

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fryfrog:

ahhh

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fryfrog:

still have it somewhere, but i dunno if it still works

[15:09:11]

fryfrog:

<3 dualie

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Milosch:

it was a fun project, it overheated, which was my fault

[15:10:50]

fryfrog:

i got lucky, mine was very stable

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -v jams

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fryfrog:

course, i bought the cpus off ebay from some guy who "garenteed" them to OC to 550 :)

[15:11:21]

fryfrog:

i was to much of a pussy to blindly get a 366 and hope it'd OC :)

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Milosch:

mine worked for around 18 months, but towards the end i had it in a computer desk cpu cubby hole, which of course caused its demise

[15:12:47]

Milosch:

one of those with the door on the front

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fryfrog:

ah

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Milosch:

everything went bad when i moved to austin :(

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Dr_willis:

I got a door on the front of my desk.. but i cut out the rear. :P

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fryfrog:

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Milosch:

heh

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jams:

GreyFoxx- were you able to grab the roku trace?

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GreyFoxx:

I missed your link

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GreyFoxx:

just grabbed it now

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GreyFoxx:

heh I have a little bitchX routine that logs any and all URLS that I see in any channel heh

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GreyFoxx:

handy stuff :)

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GreyFoxx:

2007-01–03 23:44 | #mythtv-users:jams | GreyFoxx- http://jmeyer.us/scripts/roku.wireshark

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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jams:

i bet. years ago I had a xchat plugin that did the same thing.

[15:32:08]

GreyFoxx:

It's handy when I want something and the person is long gone or hasn't been around in a while

[15:32:28]

jams:

about 7 other people also downloaded the roku trace

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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quicksilver:

I have a script which downloads any URL mentioned in IRC and uploads it to flickr (if it's an image), napster (if it's a song) or creates a new sourceforge project for it (if it's a tgz)!

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jams:

GreyFoxx- that file contains a browse of all music, and then 5 or 6 attempts to play a file

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GreyFoxx:

k

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jduggan:

quicksilver: if someone is pastin a link to an image, why would you waste the bandwidth downloading it then uploading it again to flickr?

[15:37:47]

quicksilver:

jduggan: to preserve it for eternity! (I wasn't being serious)

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qu0zl:

:)

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qu0zl:

can't believe you thought that was the weird one, not creating a new sourceforge project for every tgz he saw ;)

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juski:

janneg: your changes to ui.xml are in thetarball I'm now uploading

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jduggan:

qu0zl: i typed my reply to his statement right after i saw the flickr sentence.. because it shocked me so much

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qu0zl:

hehe :)

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qu0zl:

i bet you, somewhere out there, there is some idiot using that exact script

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qu0zl:

well, the flickr bit anyway

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quicksilver:

using amazon's mechanical turk to assign tags to it

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janneg:

juski: thanks

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juski:

janneg: ahaha, no .. thank _you_ :)

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Dibblah:

Oooh. It is now possible for UK people to withdraw from the turk :)

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juski:

awww no! Bus Doctor has crashed

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juski:

$15,000 for a bit of hardware with crashy software

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Scopeuk:

and one else noticed that 1 of sundays prison breaks (uk) is makred as educational

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juski:

prison break.. never heard of it

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quicksilver:

Scopeuk: did you watch it? maybe it was a particularly educational episode :)

[15:53:36]

juski:

as for the wrong markup, you know them EPG monkeys

[15:54:11]

Scopeuk:

juski yup pulled of rt wit xmtv though

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toad_:

if I remove a channel via the channel editor in mythtv-setup, that leaves it in the database, so it still shows up in the Program Finder, but it removes it from the list of switchable-to channels... correct or false?

[15:54:29]

juski:

ah the radiotimes data entry droids

[15:54:32]

Scopeuk:

and quicksilver if i can get my chan5 reception sorted out ill be recordign it if not ill watch it live on a diferent tv/cable

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juski:

toad_: it doesn't leave the channel in the database

[15:55:09]

juski:

but it'd leave the programme data in the database

[15:55:22]

toad_:

it drops it from the channels table?

[15:55:26]

juski:

yep

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juski:

but not the program table

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juski:

users aren't expected to delete channels

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toad_:

hmmm i thought i had deleted these ...

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juski:

delete from channel where chanid=$foobar

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juski:

whoops

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juski:

delete from program where chanid=$foobar, maybe

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quicksilver:

$foobar is my favourite channel :(

[15:56:29]

toad_:

and if there are lots of channels in the Program Guide that have no data, that may be fixed by running the "Fetch channels from listings source" button?

[15:56:53]

toad_:

and then re-running the daily script?

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juski:

that may be fixed by assigning xmltvids to said channels & making sure said xmltvids are in the .xmltvid file

[15:57:37]

juski:

damn – it'd be $videosourcename.xmltv

[15:58:09]

juski:

read the wiki entries about xmltv

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toad_:

okay so the problem is that a line such as "channel abc1.disney.com" doesn't exist corresponding to the channel?

[15:58:16]

** toad_ wiki's... **

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toad_:

what does "Fetch channels from listings source" actually do? populate Freeview.xmltv ?

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juski:

toad_: if the channel table has abc1 and its xmltvid is also there in the channel table alongside it – then yeah you need a "channel abc1.disney.com"

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jams:

juski- http://jmeyer.us/scripts/jams-test.iso

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juski:

line in .xmltv file

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juski:

cheers jams

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jams:

enjoy

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juski:

got an md5 ?

[15:59:35]

jams:

nope

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jams:

guess i could make one real quick

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toad_:

ok and if there still isn't a listing, it would be because the xmltv fetcher hasn't been run?

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juski:

toad_: yeah

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toad_:

or hasn't been run since the channel got its id anyway

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juski:

toad_: one thing to be aware of if you use xmltv with freeview

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juski:

abc1 isn't on the air for as long as uk_rt has guide data for it

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juski:

so if you ever end up having recordings scheduled from uk_rt guide data when abc1 is off air.. whoops

[16:02:22]

toad_:

mythtv does seem incredibly cool, it's just that there are so many bugs and difficulties and UI issues ... I think a lot has to do with my DVB card not producing proper signal level numbers ...

[16:02:47]

toad_:

juski: how clever is mythtv? it won't monitor which channels are on air and capture lower priority stuff if it can't get a mux?

[16:02:48]

juski:

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jams:

juski- also grab the file md5.sum

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juski:

thanks jams :)

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juski:

toad_: nope

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toad_:

is that a hardware limitation?

[16:03:34]

juski:

and as for the signal levels, blame the drivers

[16:03:44]

juski:

ahem signal level reporting I mean

[16:03:45]

toad_:

yes indeed it looks like a driver problem

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juski:

no it's not a hardware limitation

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toad_:

signal level is always between 0x0030 and 0x0040, this is probably what confused the scanner last time

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juski:

it's pretty reasonable to expect a channel to be on the air at the time a show is gonna be recorded

[16:04:28]

toad_:

true; it's just ABC1 that has that problem?

[16:04:34]

Dibblah:

Signal level doesn't matter to either the scanner or recorder.

[16:04:36]

juski:

I think so

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toad_:

at least I managed to get rid of the hundreds of premium channels... and the dupes too (by importing a channels.conf)

[16:04:50]

Dibblah:

Only if you get stream corruption, obviously.

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juski:

hundreds?

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toad_:

many many many anyway

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juski:

there's a blummin checkbox to eliminate the pay channels

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toad_:

i tried to make a list of channels to get rid of yesterday

[16:05:23]

toad_:

yes i know it doesn't work

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juski:

works fine here (tm)

[16:05:32]

toad_:

it was checked and they showed up anyway

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toad_:

probably because it added channels it couldn't lock, so it didn't know whether they were FTA or not

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Dibblah:

It won't add channels that can't lock.

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juski:

that's the other thing – if you have channels in the .xmltv file that aren't in the database, they'll get added to the database on every mythfilldatabase run

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toad_:

there were a LOT of channels, including dupes, which it couldn't switch to – partial lock

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Dibblah:

It locks onto the mplex, then lists the channels.

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toad_:

this was using the full scan i think

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Dibblah:

Which Myth version?

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juski:

ivor: okay you've succeeded in giving me a guilt trip & I'll try to pick up where I left off on my auto-uk-config thingy

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toad_:

0.20-svn20061209–0.1

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toad_:

debian package

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toad_:

but that was the last minor release i think

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toad_:

anything like this fixed since then?

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juski:

last minor release?

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toad_:

according to the wiki

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juski:

I dunno if that's even a valid version number

[16:09:50]

toad_:

hmmm no it's after that

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toad_:

it's an svn snapshot from 9/12/06

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toad_:

which is after the last release of 11/9/06

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toad_:

(uk format dates for you americans – DD/MM/YY)

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juski:

jams: I had an idea.. I could try that iso on my spare machine as well as my FE :)

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jams:

setup the spare machine first, then the FE only machine

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jams:

at least if your going to connect the FE to the spare

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juski:

that was gonna be my plan

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toad_:

Dibblah: do you think I would get better results from current SVN? I don't really have time to _develop_ myth in any major way...

[16:12:07]

juski:

I'm not letting your iso anywhere near my production backend.. oh no ;)

[16:12:08]

Dibblah:

Probably not.

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toad_:

well what about for bug reporting purposes?

[16:12:33]

toad_:

would it be useful to try again with the SVN version?

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Dibblah:

toad_: I'd suggest cleaning out your channels / dvb_multiplex tables first.

[16:12:46]

toad_:

it would be annoying, of course ...

[16:13:04]

toad_:

Dibblah: i cleared everything and reinstalled; this time i've just imported a channels.conf

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Dibblah:

Ick.

[16:13:27]

jams:

during setup, the system scans of other "jams mysql" machines on the network and lists them as options to connect to.

[16:13:31]

toad_:

Dibblah: i think the scanner bug is some sort of reaction to the broken driver that never shows signal > 0x0040 despite them being perfect in general

[16:13:32]

Dibblah:

I wouldn't rely on that working ;)

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toad_:

well so far i'm able to watch live channels

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juski:

jams: ok, so I'll take the production backend off the network while I'm playing then

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toad_:

i haven't gotten the schedule fully working yet though

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Dibblah:

As I said, neither the scanner or recorder care about signal level.

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Dibblah:

It _only_ looks for FE_HAS_LOCK

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ivor:

juski: heh

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toad_:

Dibblah: then how does it choose between different copies of the same channel from different transmitters?

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Dibblah:

Which country?

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toad_:

UK

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jams:

juski- it would never see your production server and list it as an option.

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Dibblah:

You don't get different transmitters.

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jams:

but it's not a bad idea anyhow =)

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toad_:

we have lots of transmitters

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juski:

ivor: I only have doubts about how useful it'd be since analogue tv will be dodo like pretty soon :) though of course there are plenty folks using STBs with $ky etc

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Dibblah:

(The 'seed' transponder you initially tune to only gives out it's own transponders)

[16:15:32]

Dibblah:

So you don't get any others.

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juski:

toad_: maybe your card's drivers are shot

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toad_:

ah

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toad_:

i see

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toad_:

the dvb "scan" package doesn't have this logic ... that explains why myth is so much faster

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Dibblah:

No, it doesn't ;)

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Dibblah:

Scan does the same thing, AFAIK.

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Dibblah:

Unless you tell it to interpret NIT-Other or some such.

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ivor:

hmm, wonder if its possible to have a remote diskless backend with just capture cards in it.

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toad_:

scan requires a file

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juski:

a full scan in mythtv scans all the uk freqs, with each offset in turn (zero, positive, negative 166khz) across the whole UHF band

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toad_:

this file has a list of transmitters to check for or something

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Dibblah:

Yes. Which has the seed transponders.

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toad_:

right

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Dibblah:

Oh. I see. You used full scan.

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toad_:

what i did was concat all the working scan output files to a single file

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Dibblah:

Don't do that :)

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toad_:

then import that

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juski:

oh dear god

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ivor:

!!

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juski:

no bloody wonder

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toad_:

Dibblah: what am i supposed to use?

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juski:

if the full scan fails first time, keep trying

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toad_:

when it got the hundreds of bogus channels, that was the result of a full scan

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Dibblah:

Easiest way is 'scan specific transponder', then full scan of all transports.

[16:18:28]

Dibblah:

And yes, I have some of the names wrong :)

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juski:

importing a channels.conf file isn't a good way to go about it because the .conf file has some vital info missing – info which mythtv needs if you ever wanna use EIT guide data

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toad_:

hmmm

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toad_:

iirc the mythtv howto doesn't even tell you to type in a transponder

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toad_:

and it certainly doesn't tell you where to get one from

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toad_:

or how to determine which is the best one

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** toad_ checks... **

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toad_:

no, it barely mentions "Scan for channels" on page 9

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juski:

you look in the scan initial tuning file & get the freq. of the BBC mux, I imagine

[16:20:27]

toad_:

the default option was "full scan"

[16:20:40]

toad_:

so i did a full scan...

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Dibblah:

Sure. Which should work for most people.

[16:20:43]

juski:

we uk folks have been rather erm.. less than forthcoming about adding to the docs. but hey we're busy

[16:20:57]

toad_:

so a full scan doesn't work for UK?

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Dibblah:

Since 'most people' have uni antennas ;)

[16:21:11]

juski:

toad_: works here just fine (tm)

[16:21:18]

Dibblah:

Omni is very odd for TV.

[16:21:21]

juski:

you can change the tuning timeout too

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toad_:

hmmm didn't diblah just tell me to not do a full scan?

[16:21:39]

juski:

full scan works just fine

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juski:

I'd always go for that 1st

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toad_:

well last time it came up with hundreds of dupes and non-FTA channels

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toad_:

but maybe that's a reaction to my driver

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juski:

dvb-t ?

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toad_:

yes

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juski:

find that hard to believe

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juski:

jams: all downloady.. I'll burn it orf tonight

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toad_:

hmmm

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toad_:

best way to backup myth? just the .mythtv and the database?

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** toad_ can do that, and then try again :) **

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toad_:

but not until i've got it working at least once the way i want it

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toad_:

bbiab

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Dibblah:

toad_: Do you actually have an omnidirectional antenna?

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Dibblah:

If not, you really can't be picking up from another transmitter...

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fryfrog:

toad_: the only thing you *really* need to backup is the db, the .mythtv dir is not keeping any settings

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fryfrog:

cept maybe the mysql.txt file, which isn't hard to reproduce

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juski:

in the state his box is in, nothing would be hard to reproduce

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qu0zl:

Dibblah, i don't know how narrowly focused tv aerials tend to be, but with a wireless directional antenna you're talking about something like only losing half the gain if you go 20 degrees either side of straight ahead

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Dibblah:

The lobes on a yagi are much narrower.

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qu0zl:

i was thinking of a yagi :)

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qu0zl:

the width is related to the db gain, i don't know what the gain on tv antennas is frankly

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juski:

depends how many directors the yagi has

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juski:

& its f/b ratio

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toad_:

hmmm

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qu0zl:

maybe tv antennas are really high gain? People always seem to have trouble pointing them the right way anyway ;)

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toad_:

Dibblah: i don't think s

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juski:

ordinarily I really don't think many folks would be able to recieve more than one tv transmitter well enough without 2 aerials & a diplexer

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toad_:

Dibblah: it's a traditional tv antenna

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toad_:

okay, the second button on the input connections page appears to add EVERY channel, whether i get it or not ?

[16:29:23]

toad_:

from outside it looks like a traditional directional tv antenna

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Dibblah:

5db dropoff shown at about 5 degrees.

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juski:

toad_: I expect it's adding the stuff from the .xmltv file, blindly

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Dibblah:

Ah – Of course.

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toad_:

the one first and the other after

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Dibblah:

Trim your xmltv file so it only contains channels that you have xmltvids defined.

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Dibblah:

toad_: I think I've been misunderstanding your problem.

[16:30:34]

toad_:

i have lots of problems!

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juski:

the big deal here is that it's a bugger to set up dvb-t with xmltv without manually fettling files

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toad_:

disentangling bugs can be a big deal

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toad_:

juski: yeah

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toad_:

and manually fettling the files isn't particularly easy either; mythtv should be removing the non-FTA channels since I asked it to

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qu0zl:

Dibblah, you know every different yagi has a different beam pattern right? And the width is inversely proportional to the antenna gain

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juski:

toad_: clear out the .xmltv file for now

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qu0zl:

if that's a normal tv yagi then you're right, that is very directional

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Dibblah:

qu0zl: Yup.

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toad_:

just remove it? ok

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toad_:

moved to a safe place

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juski:

toad_: no.. clear it out. back it up then make a new blank file in its place

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toad_:

touch ~mythtv/.mythtv/Freeview.xmltv

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toad_:

ok

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juski:

heh

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juski:

stop mythbackend, if it's running

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toad_:

check

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Dibblah:

Backup your database... ;)

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toad_:

what's the point? it's all crap anyway :|

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Dibblah:

mysqldump -p mythconverg >backup.sql

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Dibblah:

Well, it might be less crap than what you end up with :)

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mkrufky:

why does mythfilldatabase use so much resources? wouldnt one think that a 3 GHz backend server can respond to a mythweb request during a mythfilldatabase run without choking? I cant even navigate through my recordings on the separate frontend machine while mythfilldatabase is running on the backend.... I know I could schedult the mythfilldatabase process to run during off-peak hours, but i didnt think it should be necessary

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Dibblah:

mkrufky: It's not very optimised.

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mkrufky:

< /rant> :-)

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toad_:

yeah that's another annoyance ... mythfilldatabase takes about an hour here

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toad_:

at 100% cpu

[16:34:59]

toad_:

but that i can live with

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quicksilver:

that's odd

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Dibblah:

Most of it, for me, is the fixup type stuff.

[16:35:08]

mkrufky:

yes, exactly

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quicksilver:

mythfilldb takes only a few minutes for me

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toad_:

okay, what next?

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mkrufky:

well,. it takes anywhere from 10–20 minutes for me, but it hogs the machine resources

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toad_:

do you want me to do a full scan? :)

[16:35:40]

juski:

toad_: yes

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quicksilver:

mkrufky: you could nice it, probably

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mkrufky:

quicksilver: yes, i might just do that

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Dibblah:

toad_: I'd suggest removing all channels / multiplexes first.

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Dibblah:

Clean slate sorta thing :)

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juski:

delete * FROM dtv_multiplex;

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Dibblah:

Preferably, clean database entirely, but if you don't want to...

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toad_:

ok so just delete and recreate the input device and the thingy?

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juski:

delete * FROM channel;

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toad_:

i can clean the DB, 1sec

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Dibblah:

truncate dtv_multiplex;

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toad_:

phpmyadmin :)

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juski:

oh yeah truncate will also delete everything & reset the auto-increment thingy

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toad_:

drop database

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mkrufky:

another thing..... i know that it is a known bug that eit scans can fail..... but why does the entire backend crash if an eit scan fails?

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toad_:

okay that's done

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toad_:

now startup mythtv-setup ?

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Dibblah:

mkrufky: It shouldn't die.

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mkrufky:

does an eit scan spawn a new process, or does it use the original mythbackend instance ?

[16:37:29]

Dibblah:

Do you have a backtrace?

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janneg:

mkrufky: does mythfilldatabase use the resource or mysql?

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juski:

toad_: mythtv-setup & do steps 1 thru 3

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Dibblah:

Same instance, different thread.

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janneg:

mkrufky: it's a new thread

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** toad_ will just come back tomorrow and raise more hell if this doesn't work, but i'm happy to help debug within reason **

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mkrufky:

Dibblah: i will turn the eit scans back on over the weekend and save the debug info somewhere

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toad_:

ok brb

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juski:

toad_: but in the part where you configure tv_grab_uk_rt, just tell it no channels ;)

[16:38:15]

Dibblah:

Or set the grabber to EIT only...

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juski:

I should have documented what I do at some point

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mkrufky:

janneg: filldb is a new thread?> or eit scan is a new thread?

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juski:

I do everything manually bar scanning

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mkrufky:

mythfilldb is def a new thread

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Dibblah:

mythfilldatabase is a seperate program.

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toad_:

hmmm setup doing strange things..

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Dibblah:

But that's not what does the EIT scanning.

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janneg:

mkrufky: EIT scan, mythfilldb is a seperate process

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mkrufky:

yes, that i knew

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toad_:

hmmm

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mkrufky:

ok, well i dare not start an eit scan while remote

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toad_:

is it possible that the mythtv user doesn't have the rights to create a new database?

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mkrufky:

so, i'll testt on the weekend

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juski:

toad_: you dropped the whole mythconverg database?

[16:40:35]

toad_:

yeah

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Dibblah:

That was silly :)

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juski:

mysql -u mythtv -p < mc.sql

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toad_:

reinstalling the package may be the best option then

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Dibblah:

Recreate it as above :)

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Dibblah:

Assuming you can find mc.sql in whatever corner your distro has put it...

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toad_:

apt-get --reinstall install mythtv-database :)

[16:42:11]

Dibblah:

Yeah, that might work.

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Dagmar:

find /usr -name mc.sql

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toad_:

ok, it exists, it's empty

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toad_:

now i run setup

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toad_:

okay i've done steps 1 and 2

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toad_:

what about step 3?

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toad_:

set it to no channels?

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mkrufky:

janneg: yes, i figured it was caused by bad data, aka, external source

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toad_:

no grabber, default frequency table

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mkrufky:

janneg: what i dont understand is, why does it bring down the entire backend?

[16:46:22]

mkrufky:

again, i dont have a trace to show right now.

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toad_:

done step 3 as requested

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mkrufky:

but i disabled eit across the board a few months ago, so that i could have reliable recordings

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janneg:

and since EIT or the ATSC equivalent is the majority of data which uses the assembler

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mkrufky:

ATSC also calls it EIT, afaik

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toad_:

juski / Dibblah : i assume we're doing something wierd with step 4?

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janneg:

disabling the eit scan resolves the issue

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Dibblah:

mkrufky: Anything in syslog? ie are you hitting OOM?

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toad_:

scanning but not grabbing, then deleting channels, then fetching a list of channels to Freeview.xmltv and grabbing?

[16:48:53]

Dibblah:

toad_: Any reason you're not using EIT only as the guide data source?

[16:49:06]

mkrufky:

no OOM , nothing out of the ordinary in syslog.... just the mythbackend process dies when the eit scanner hits an error

[16:49:19]

mkrufky:

hang on, i'll check to see if i have any old mythbackend.log files around

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juski:

7days actually

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toad_:

hmmm so that's the easiest solution?

[16:49:37]

Dibblah:

Yup.

[16:49:39]

juski:

by far

[16:49:45]

toad_:

how long do you get if you do use a grabber?

[16:49:50]

juski:

14 days

[16:50:05]

toad_:

okay i'll set it up with EIT only then

[16:50:10]

juski:

but with EIT they can update schedules more than once a day

[16:50:17]

toad_:

at least for now

[16:50:22]

juski:

infact almost on the fly!

[16:50:24]

** toad_ wants to see it actually working again :| **

[16:50:42]

mkrufky:

ok, we're in luck — i have a mythbackend.log froma crash from back in september

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toad_:

so i set it to no grabber, then i do a... what... a full scan?

[16:50:50]

mkrufky:

im looking for the relevant section and i will pastebin it

[16:50:53]

juski:

so when $football_shite overruns by 10 hours, when other shows are rescheduled, you can normally end up not missing stuff

[16:51:14]

Ruleke:

in theory

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juski:

toad_: set up a new video source but set it to 'use onair guide only'

[16:51:34]

toad_:

you can use both EIT and grabber...

[16:51:36]

juski:

Ruleke: of course, it depends on the broadcaster updating the data ;)

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Ruleke:

:-)

[16:52:02]

juski:

toad_: yes but that's beyond the scope of this discussion

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toad_:

ok, set to EIT only

[16:52:38]

toad_:

in Input Sources (stage 3)

[16:52:46]

juski:

is all this confuzzlement of yours coming out of 'video sources' having the wrong name? ;)

[16:52:50]

rogue780:

is there a way to find what tuner recorded a specific program?

[16:53:12]

toad_:

create a connection between the card and the source, then do a scan?

[16:53:21]

juski:

show columns from recorded;

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juski:

whoops

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mkrufky:

HERE is an exerp from a mythbackend crash due do an error during EIT scan from back in augoust — http://pastebin.ca/304954

[16:53:53]

mkrufky:

^^ is that helpful at all?

[16:53:59]

toad_:

hmmm nice!

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juski:

rogue780: no

[16:54:43]

juski:

rogue780: not unless the channel it was recorded on is only assigned to one tuner

[16:54:45]

toad_:

so i want to do a full scan? and in theory it shouldn't grab a load of commercial channels... and if it does, that's a bug, and we deal with it and figure out some other hack

[16:54:53]

toad_:

like deleting the extra ones

[16:54:54]

juski:

toad_: yup

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Dibblah:

toad_: Just a sec.

[16:55:31]

rogue780:

juski, thanks...I'm trying to figure out which of my tuners is recording funny...it only does it sometimes

[16:55:31]

Dibblah:

Check that the checkbox is the right way round. Default is correct (No encrypted channels)

[16:57:11]

** juski is thinking the initial problem was one of running tv_grab_uk_rt --configure, getting through the first 5 channel choices, thinking "fuck this for a lark, I'm gonna say 'ALL'"... **

[16:57:43]

Dibblah:

Indeed.

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juski:

it's very tempting

[16:58:34]

juski:

there's definitely a need for my script

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toad_:

juski: maybe so; i don't know which of those i actually have though!

[16:58:59]

toad_:

it really shouldn't add channels that we have listings for but which are not FTA if we told it not to add FTA channels

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mkrufky:

is the log in this link ( http://pastebin.ca/304954 ) enough to illustrate the problem i'm describing with the eit-scanner related mythbackend crashed? or do i need something else?

[16:59:03]

** toad_ has done a scan anyway **

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quicksilver:

I ended up selecting 'all' and cutting down the xmltvids file by hand with a text editor, It hink

[16:59:20]

toad_:

i don't need to click the second button (fetch channels from listings source), so i go on to the channel editor, right?

[16:59:20]

juski:

where I was up to with my script was – you put in yer postcode & it determined which local ITV & BBC channels you should use

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toad_:

juski: that would be awesome

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juski:

toad_: you shouldn't need to go to the channel editor

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juski:

but go on in there anyway – see how it looks

[17:00:07]

Scopeuk:

has any one been bale to get mythtv player working with rtjpeg?

[17:00:11]

toad_:

juski: if it also checked whether your font size was set okay (DisplaySize in Monitor), that would be even nicer (packaging issue maybe? :) )

[17:00:13]

toad_:

ok

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juski:

toad_: sod that, that's someone else's problem ;)

[17:00:47]

Scopeuk:

http://www.sudu.dk/mythtvplayer/ (windows recording viewer (mpeg 2 compat)

[17:01:11]

juski:

Scopeuk: install dsmyth

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toad_:

channel list looks good

[17:01:27]

toad_:

some i might want to delete.. i suppose this is the best time to do it

[17:01:35]

Neeesat25:

I have problem transcoding recordings. I get Uknown video codec

[17:01:40]

toad_:

"Red Hot" is an FTA porn channel, right?

[17:01:48]

Dibblah:

mkrufky: I may be wrong, but I don't think so. Was your setup populated through a Myth channel scan, or a channels.conf inport?

[17:01:48]

Neeesat25:

And transcoding failed

[17:01:49]

Scopeuk:

juski i have ds myth and via samba ould work if my network was fast enough currently

[17:01:54]

juski:

Neeesat25: dead easy. you've not even set up a transcoding profile

[17:02:05]

juski:

toad_: it's not FTA

[17:02:07]

mkrufky:

Dibblah: channels were populated from xmltv

[17:02:11]

Neeesat25:

oh Thanks

[17:02:15]

toad_:

juski: so how come it was detected?

[17:02:17]

mkrufky:

Dibblah: and after that, i did myth channel scan

[17:02:22]

juski:

toad_: it's one of those 'enter pin number to view' jobbies

[17:02:24]

toad_:

most of the rest are definitely FTA though

[17:02:25]

Neeesat25:

juski mythcommflag worked

[17:02:36]

juski:

the stream is FTA but they hide the audio & video PIDs

[17:02:45]

** toad_ will delete that and the sports channels, then fire up the backend and the frontend **

[17:02:57]

juski:

don't forget the shopping channels

[17:03:00]

juski:

and the quiz channels

[17:03:04]

Dibblah:

mkrufky: Looks to me like a few of the channels from your mythfilldatabase run don't exist in your scan...

[17:03:06]

juski:

;)

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toad_:

what's Q?

[17:03:30]

Dibblah:

(I think that's what the Symbol Rate complaint is actually meaning)

[17:03:32]

toad_:

and the teletext channels!

[17:03:36]

juski:

Q is a musak channel

[17:03:52]

juski:

toad_: MHEG works now, so you needn't dump them

[17:04:00]

mkrufky:

Dibblah: i wasnt using all of the channels that xmltv shows..... i know i should log into my xmltv account and remove those channels — -but that couldnt cause the eit scan to fail, could it?

[17:04:21]

juski:

toad_: interactive streams

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toad_:

juski: you have teletext support now? cool

[17:04:34]

juski:

content varies, but those channels carry the 'red button' streams

[17:04:42]

toad_:

ahhh

[17:04:43]

Dibblah:

Well, it looks like the EIT scanner is trying to scan the bad channels. I don't think that should cause it to fall over, though :)

[17:04:50]

juski:

it's handy to be able to keep em toad_ ;)

[17:05:03]

juski:

like when there's video of radio 1 events & stuff

[17:05:12]

hanneso_:

hello, i would like to use lirc with mythtv the buttons i press are all recognized by lircd. i've created a small lircrc in mythtvs home directory .mythtv/lircrc but the keypresses do not affect anything, how is lirc reading the .lircrc from mythtv-users home directory, or do i have to start lirc by the user mythtv?

[17:05:17]

Dibblah:

Wait- No, these are numbered channels. ie from the scan, I think.

[17:05:21]

juski:

saw some great Coldplay stuff from Jo Whiley's show last year

[17:05:26]

juski:

and Glasto ;)

[17:05:54]

juski:

?

[17:06:08]

** juski saves the massic bus analyser trace **

[17:06:18]

Dibblah:

mkrufky: No, sorry. I'm pretty sure what'll be needed is a mythbackend -v all (or close) and a backtrace.

[17:06:24]

mkrufky:

Dibblah: then i aligned them to the correct channels from xmltv by fine tuning the channels in mythweb

[17:06:29]

janneg:

mkrufky: it kills the entire backend since we do not have a signal handler for SIGSEGV

[17:06:40]

mkrufky:

ah

[17:06:44]

mkrufky:

:'(

[17:07:04]

Dibblah:

mkrufky: "Error: offset>181, pes length & current can not be queried" is very odd.

[17:07:25]

Dibblah:

AFAIK, PES packets can't be any bigger, unless something very wierd is happening.

[17:07:26]

mkrufky:

so, i'll start mythbackend with "-v " before i enable the eit scanning again, then i'll come back with that log next week

[17:07:32]

janneg:

it would properly be safe to implemt one which just kills the thread

[17:07:41]

mkrufky:

Dibblah: yes, that is odd.....

[17:07:57]

mkrufky:

i dont really know what that means :-/

[17:08:40]

janneg:

that error message is related to the bug in the packet assembler

[17:08:48]

juski:

hanneso_: lirc doesn't read the ~/.lirc file, apps that are aware of lirc do that – apart from mythtv which looks in ~/.mythtv/lircrc

[17:09:03]

hanneso_:

ok

[17:09:13]

juski:

irw is your friend

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mkrufky:

i should also mention that i have had mythbackend crash on transcoding errors as well, but that is very difficult to reproduce

[17:09:19]

hanneso_:

so the applications take care of reading the lircrc files

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juski:

and remember that mythfrontend only reads the lircrc file one

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hanneso_:

irw does work very well at keypresses

[17:09:38]

hanneso_:

one? how you mean only one_

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juski:

once.. and it's _lircrc_ not (dot)lircrc

[17:09:57]

hanneso_:

you mean if i do changes i will have to restart mythfrontend

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juski:

yes

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hanneso_:

it doesnt do anything although irw shows me the keypresses and the lircrc is very easy now

[17:10:36]

juski:

heheh

[17:10:41]

Neeesat25:

I got this wile transcoding: strange error flushing buffer ...

[17:10:48]

janneg:

mkrufky: it says, that the length of the Section can't be querried from the first TS packet since the the calculated offset for the payload start is to big

[17:10:53]

Neeesat25:

But seems to continue

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Scopeuk:

dont spoe theres any way to bostthe recive sensitivity of a bt878 chipset?

[17:11:10]

mkrufky:

ah, ok thanks, janneg

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juski:

Scopeuk: what do you mean, the sensitivity?

[17:11:55]

juski:

Scopeuk: you mean the tuner? only an aerial amp.

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Scopeuk:

juski yes i i thought as much

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hanneso_:

juski and how is it with irexec commands? which application is reading this?

[17:12:18]

janneg:

mkrufky: mythtranscode shouldn't be able to kill the backend since the backend execs it just

[17:12:35]

mkrufky:

janneg: thats what i would think..... but it has happened to me

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juski:

Scopeuk: if you mean you've looped a video input into its composite socket & it's going to more than one thing – and your picture looks dark... that'd be _over-termination_

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Scopeuk:

juski no

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mkrufky:

again, it only happened two or three times, and i cannot reproduce that reliable

[17:13:06]

mkrufky:

but the eitscan crash i can easily reproduce

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juski:

hanneso_: the irexec daemon is reading it IIRC

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juski:

irexec reads the ~/.lircrc I think

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hanneso_:

ohh, there needs to be a irexec daemon running

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hanneso_:

yes

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hanneso_:

is there a list which refers to the commands? for example which one would start mythmusic?

[17:15:01]

juski:

look in the wiki

[17:15:13]

juski:

that'd be a 'jump point' IIRC

[17:15:33]

juski:

anyway I wanna go home now, so I think I shall

[17:15:42]

hanneso_:

thank you

[17:15:52]

Dibblah:

janneg: Do you know where the bug is, approximately?

[17:16:09]

Dibblah:

(I'm trying to track down annoying stream corruption issues)

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janneg:

libs/libmythtv/mpeg/mpegstreamdata.* or libs/libmythtv/mpeg/pespacket.*

[17:17:35]

mkrufky:

hmm... i never thought to report this next bug, but since you mention stream curruption issues............

[17:18:18]

mkrufky:

in my backend, i have 4 atsc cards, the card #4 always has a currupted stream when i use it in mythtv, but if i use mplayer, the motion is smooth and beautiful, just liek the others

[17:19:03]

mkrufky:

i always just shrugged it off as bad luck / weak signal etc...... it DOES have the weakest signal out of the 4 cards, but i have no idea why i get pristine streams in any app, but cirrupted video in myth

[17:19:11]

fathom:

can someone help me out i'm getting an error when i try to run mythtv-backend.

[17:19:12]

fathom:

fathom@htpc:~$ sudo /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend

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fathom:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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fathom:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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mkrufky:

so, i have card #4 set to lowest priority.... it is almost never used for recordings, just livetv

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Dibblah:

mkrufky: If you run femon in the background, do you see any uncorrected errors?

[17:22:14]

mkrufky:

Dibblah: is this in response to the stream corruption on card #4 issue?

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toad_:

Dibblah / juski : working 100%. well, live tv is still jerky, but if i schedule a recording and then watch it while it records from playback, that works perfectly

[17:22:33]

Dibblah:

mkrufky: Yes.

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mkrufky:

i would have to start 4 recordings right now in order to try that

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mkrufky:

umm... ok, i will schedule 4 recordings to begin at in 8 minutes... i'll let you know what i see

[17:23:07]

Dibblah:

Just set off a femon >log...

[17:23:13]

toad_:

Dibblah / juski : thanks many times over, and i wish you every advantage in fixing it! :)

[17:23:38]

Dibblah:

toad_: What does your CPU usage look like?

[17:24:17]

toad_:

20%

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toad_:

20% for front end, 1% for backend

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Dibblah:

Live TV?

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toad_:

while watching tv being recorded

[17:24:45]

toad_:

no, scheduled it, then went to playback and watched it while it was being recorded

[17:24:52]

toad_:

and it's working much better

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toad_:

live TV is still jerky though, so that buffering bug still exists

[17:25:10]

Dibblah:

Same thing. Is the recording stored on a NFS drive?

[17:25:36]

Dibblah:

I've seen this a few times. A workaround _may_ be to up jiffies.

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mkrufky:

Dibblah: i didnt even start the recordings yet, femon says FE_HAS_LOCK constantly for all four adapters (did femon -a[0123] in 4 shells

[17:26:11]

mkrufky:

do i need to even start recordings to do this test?

[17:26:21]

Dibblah:

toad_: CONFIG_HZ_1000=y in your kernel.

[17:26:41]

Dibblah:

Well, I'm wondering if Myth is using AUTO for some parameters.

[17:26:50]

Dibblah:

And your card is wandering.

[17:28:04]

Dibblah:

Except QAM uses far less parameters than DVB-t, which I'm used to.

[17:28:36]

mkrufky:

femod reports that the fronend is terrestrial, but i am not using it for OTA, only for digital cable (qam256) .,... i assume this doesnt matter?

[17:28:43]

mkrufky:

...or is it exactly what you were looking for?

[17:28:59]

Dibblah:

I have no idea :) I'm just going from the bottom up :)

[17:29:02]

mkrufky:

heheh

[17:29:14]

toad_:

Dibblah: hmmm?

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mkrufky:

fyi, that machine is 30 miles away from me right now

[17:29:20]

mkrufky:

thank god for ssh tunnels

[17:29:26]

toad_:

Dibblah: why config_hz=1000?

[17:29:33]

Dibblah:

I'm a fan of NX, myself.

[17:29:39]

toad_:

the card is able to capture video perfectly

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hanneso_:

mythfrontend is not reading .mythtv/lircrc how can i make sure it is reading it?

[17:30:03]

Dibblah:

toad_: Because 150 isn't fine enough to get frame timings right.

[17:30:12]

toad_:

250

[17:30:14]

toad_:

but yeah

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Dibblah:

toad_: It's not a recording issue – It's a playback issue.

[17:30:23]

toad_:

ah

[17:30:28]

toad_:

i set preempt, but i didn't set hz

[17:30:30]

toad_:

okay

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DVBMark:

Has anyone tried higher than 1000hz? I have read that going higher will help with hd playback?

[17:30:45]

Dibblah:

DVBMark: I don't see why it would.

[17:30:52]

toad_:

there's a 300Hz option on newer kernels

[17:31:19]

DVBMark:

maybe it is a dvb-s thing, lots of talk about it just wasn't sure if anyone in myth had done it

[17:31:22]

Dibblah:

toad_: Try 1000. It might help, it might not.

[17:31:42]

toad_:

ok will do

[17:31:43]

Dibblah:

Don't see how the timer affects DVB at all...

[17:31:50]

mkrufky:

it shouldnt

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DVBMark:

Heres one of the places I had seen it: http://groups.archivesat.com/openSUSE_develop . . . ad219043.htm

[17:33:48]

Dibblah:

hanneso_: Is this a packaged Myth, or did you compile it yourself?

[17:34:21]

** toad_ wonders how far we are from the clockless timer implementation becoming mainline.. **

[17:34:53]

mkrufky:

Dibblah: NX uses ssh :-P

[17:34:55]

toad_:

tickless timer

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hanneso_:

Dibblah it is from debian, packaged

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_Caleb_:

how good id mythtv at being a multimedia center

[17:35:17]

_Caleb_:

is

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Dibblah:

Indeed it does. But there's a lot of fluff inbetween.

[17:35:20]

toad_:

that has infinite resolution, and no cpu usage when not in use...

[17:35:44]

toad_:

_Caleb_: it takes a lot of setting up... well sometimes it does

[17:35:53]

_Caleb_:

like what all would it entail

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Dibblah:

hanneso_: Are you running the frontend as root or as a different user?

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toad_:

_Caleb_: otoh everything i've seen so far suggests it's really rather nice

[17:36:06]

hanneso_:

Dibblah i run it as a user called mythtv

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qu0zl:

you planning on using it as a pvr with tuner card _Caleb_. If you're not then it may not be the best option for music/videos

[17:36:55]

_Caleb_:

yeah tvtuner is what i was thinking

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toad_:

oxine is quite nice for playing stuff

[17:37:00]

hanneso_:

i would be really thankfull if someone could give me any ideas

[17:37:02]

_Caleb_:

people watch tv and movies

[17:37:07]

_Caleb_:

and pvr is what?

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toad_:

(it's dvd menus work!)

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mkrufky:

personal video recorder

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Dibblah:

And the .mythtv/lircrc is in ~mythtv?

[17:37:34]

toad_:

(myth's 99% work but don't 100% work; i can't move between controls last time i checked, but i can click (with enter))

[17:37:48]

qu0zl:

its great with them _Caleb_ . the music support isn't as good as the tv/dvd stuff.

[17:37:49]

_Caleb_:

so could i use it like a dvr

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qu0zl:

pvr = dvr

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_Caleb_:

i could use mpd for that

[17:38:02]

_Caleb_:

for music that is

[17:38:20]

Dibblah:

hanneso_: That last comment was for you.

[17:38:21]

qu0zl:

the music stuff works, it's just not as good as the tv side of things.

[17:38:22]

hanneso_:

Dibblah yes, exact this location and the permissions are also ok

[17:38:27]

_Caleb_:

nice qu0zl

[17:38:27]

hanneso_:

sorry, yes

[17:38:36]

toad_:

but recording stuff off the radio works

[17:38:39]

Dibblah:

hanneso_: Have you tried mythfrontend -v all?

[17:38:51]

hanneso_:

ohh no,this i'm going to try now

[17:38:51]

_Caleb_:

so like i could setup someones house with mythtv as a multimedia center

[17:39:05]

qu0zl:

yep _Caleb_

[17:39:08]

Dibblah:

_Caleb_: That's what it's designed for ;)

[17:39:12]

_Caleb_:

heh nice

[17:39:14]

qu0zl:

in fact if you want tuner support there's nothing better imo

[17:39:22]

_Caleb_:

me and a buddy are throwing out ideas

[17:39:32]

_Caleb_:

well wed wanna use it for cable tv

[17:39:48]

toad_:

_Caleb_: country?

[17:39:50]

Dibblah:

As long as you have a capture card, that's easy.

[17:39:51]

_Caleb_:

us

[17:39:54]

_Caleb_:

nice

[17:40:08]

Dibblah:

"easy" of course being variable :)

[17:40:16]

_Caleb_:

it would work great with dvd's right

[17:40:28]

GreyFoxx:

works fine with all of mine

[17:40:30]

qu0zl:

i use it as my dvd player

[17:40:30]

toad_:

well right now i wouldn't say its dvd support was perfect

[17:40:34]

Dibblah:

It does now. janneg is working very hard on that part :)

[17:40:44]

toad_:

as i said, the menus don't work properly

[17:40:49]

toad_:

but maybe that's been fixed already

[17:40:53]

GreyFoxx:

anyone who claims anything is perfect is fool

[17:40:53]

_Caleb_:

anyone know much about north carolina?

[17:40:57]

GreyFoxx:

toad_: Menus work fine for me

[17:40:58]

qu0zl:

they do for me toad_ , but everybodies mileage varies ;)

[17:41:01]

GreyFoxx:

What is your issue ?

[17:41:09]

toad_:

oh, here's a question: is it possible to rip a DVD *and keep the menus* ?

[17:41:15]

GreyFoxx:

toad_: yes

[17:41:20]

toad_:

GreyFoxx: i can't move between items on the menu

[17:41:25]

_Caleb_:

heh we thinking about setting up something in pinehurst where they had the us open in 99

[17:41:26]

_Caleb_:

heh

[17:41:27]

toad_:

GreyFoxx: only enter works, arrow keys don't

[17:41:29]

_Caleb_:

rich people

[17:41:34]

GreyFoxx:

toad_: I've never seen that happen :)

[17:41:52]

** toad_ wil try again later **

[17:42:18]

_Caleb_:

what kind of tvtuner and video card would you suggest

[17:42:53]

mkrufky:

_Caleb_: for a list of supported tvtuner cards, look in the CARDLIST.* files here:

[17:42:57]

mkrufky:

_Caleb_: http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb?mf=-1;path=/lin . . . /video4linux

[17:42:59]

GreyFoxx:

for a video card go for an nvidia card

[17:43:16]

_Caleb_:

yeah

[17:43:25]

toad_:

nvidia might have working xvideo... that would be nice...

[17:43:33]

qu0zl:

and a 40$ fx5200 is a good enough video card for playback

[17:43:34]

toad_:

at least, it would avoid a warning, and save a few % cpu

[17:43:47]

GreyFoxx:

nvidia is by far the easiest to work with, regular driver updates and fixes and quite featureful

[17:43:48]

_Caleb_:

sounds nice

[17:43:54]

Dibblah:

toad_: I'd doubt you don't have XV. That would hurt.

[17:44:11]

toad_:

Dibblah: i get the warning, and xvinfo says i have no screens supporting xv

[17:44:13]

hanneso_:

Dibblah -v all gives a lot of information, it seems that mythfrontend is reading this file, but it is not reacing to keypresses. the only error which comes all the time during mythfrontend running is "creation samples failed" don't know what is means

[17:44:14]

_Caleb_:

we thinking about opening a nice business dealing with mythtv and multimedia in peeps houses

[17:44:25]

_Caleb_:

maybe some computer repair

[17:44:32]

Dibblah:

hanneso_: Can you pastebin it?

[17:44:33]

toad_:

Dibblah: i run on 720x576 resolution, so the video doesn't need to be scaled

[17:44:45]

Scopeuk:

_Caleb_ jsut be prepaired for the suport work

[17:44:46]

Dibblah:

toad_: Ah.

[17:44:51]

toad_:

but i thought Xv was for YUV conversion anyway, and isn't that reasonably easy for modern cpu's?

[17:44:58]

GreyFoxx:

Scopeuk: pick the distro you know the most

[17:45:00]

hanneso_:

Dibblah it is running on a different machine and mythfrontend is not (i couldn't find) writing logs

[17:45:01]

hashbang:

_Caleb_: I've thought about that too; go for the stupid-rich-and-demanding category of customers, I reckon.

[17:45:02]

GreyFoxx:

err sorry

[17:45:06]

_Caleb_:

yeah Scopeuk thats what we were talking about

[17:45:08]

GreyFoxx:

_Caleb_: pick the distro you knowe the most

[17:45:12]

toad_:

opengl can do scaling anyway

[17:45:13]

_Caleb_:

yeah

[17:45:24]

_Caleb_:

right now ill go with arch

[17:45:29]

Dibblah:

toad_: However, Myth doesn't do opengl scaling.

[17:45:32]

_Caleb_:

its easy to use and runs damn good

[17:45:35]

toad_:

the stickiness with watching live TV is not caused by lack of xv

[17:45:35]

Dibblah:

Well, not in trunk.

[17:45:41]

toad_:

Dibblah: well what's the point of opengl then?

[17:45:44]

hashbang:

_Caleb_: don't be tempted to compete on price with off-the-shelf PVRs

[17:45:53]

GreyFoxx:

toad_: Xv: is not just conversions, it's the mechanism for accessing the hardwre scaling on the video card

[17:45:59]

qu0zl:

what graphics card do you have toad_ ? Almost everything supports xv i thought?

[17:46:00]

toad_:

hmmm ok

[17:46:04]

toad_:

ati :(

[17:46:14]

_Caleb_:

well id have it where it did more than just the multimedia

[17:46:18]

qu0zl:

oh, yeah, enough said :)

[17:46:21]

toad_:

and the driver won't be updated because it's an old card

[17:46:21]

_Caleb_:

maybe surveilance

[17:46:26]

_Caleb_:

ip cams

[17:46:28]

_Caleb_:

shit like that

[17:46:35]

ivor:

heh, I thought pretty much all ati did Xv just fine?

[17:46:35]

_Caleb_:

where they can see their shit from work

[17:46:41]

toad_:

the best driver for this card has no xvideo support on 64-bit/x7.1

[17:46:42]

Dibblah:

toad_: I have a Mach64 that does XV.

[17:46:46]

ivor:

toad_: ah

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toad_:

Dibblah: fglrx?

[17:47:07]

Dibblah:

... If I'm remembering the model right.

[17:47:23]

toad_:

iirc it was an issue that only happens with 64-bit

[17:47:25]

Dibblah:

The default open one, not the closed-source.

[17:47:26]

ivor:

yeah my mach64 does Xv just fine and dandy too. :)

[17:47:30]

hashbang:

ivor: I have a Rage128 for which Xv makes the picture twice as tall as it should be, and only shows the top half.

[17:47:32]

_Caleb_:

now the next question is how does mythtv run once its setup really good

[17:47:34]

toad_:

but it was very painful trying to install the old drivers

[17:47:38]

toad_:

Dibblah: with tv-out?

[17:47:52]

ivor:

hashbang: well you have a driver bug there then.

[17:47:52]

Dibblah:

toad_: That'd be a problem – It's a laptop :)

[17:47:53]

GreyFoxx:

_Caleb_: Like sh*t...that's why we al use it cause we like crappy stuff :)

[17:47:55]

toad_:

Dibblah: i could NEVER get tv-out working with the free ati drivers; spent a fair amount of time on it over the years

[17:47:55]

slicky:

hi.. iv just got a tv card.. but when i start xawtv i get this msg: Error of failed request: XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode im a nvidia user.. anyone know how to fix this?

[17:48:12]

hashbang:

ivor: yup. This was whatever was standard in FC4 as of about 6 months ago.

[17:48:41]

_Caleb_:

hehe GreyFoxx

[17:48:44]

toad_:

slicky: off topic for this channel, try #linuxtv ... but somebody may answer you anyway, they're very helpful

[17:48:54]

toad_:

well today they're very helpful :)

[17:49:06]

slicky:

toad_: kk =)

[17:49:43]

mkrufky:

wait!

[17:49:50]

mkrufky:

slicky: it is also off-topic for #linuxtv

[17:49:57]

toad_:

is it? then where?

[17:50:00]

mkrufky:

it's an X issue

[17:50:10]

slicky:

mkrufky: where is it ontopic? :S

[17:50:15]

toad_:

#xorg then

[17:50:29]

toad_:

or #nvidia

[17:50:34]

Dibblah:

Geez... This place is getting like work :)

[17:50:37]

mkrufky:

hehe

[17:50:44]

toad_:

somebody might answer you anyway

[17:50:55]

mkrufky:

i think that can be fixed by altering xorg.conf, but i dont recall the details

[17:50:59]

Dibblah:

No! It's not MY problem – You want two windows over ->>>

[17:51:04]

mkrufky:

lolol

[17:51:18]

mkrufky:

(two tabs over, tabbed irc rocks)

[17:51:31]

toad_:

slicky: look for commented out Load <something> lines in your xorg.conf

[17:51:51]

ivor:

slicky: http://www.google.com/search?q=+Error+of+fail . . . ;btnG=Search

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ivor:

i.e. you need to downgrade your binary nvidia driver

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slicky:

ivor: your fingers and google are magic

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mkrufky:

janneg: i did that exact test already, with "mplayer test.mpg" ..... i have not tried with "mythtv test.mpg" i will try that tonight

[17:58:21]

mkrufky:

i didnt even know that "mythtv file.mpg" could play a file

[17:58:21]

fryfrog:

does anyone know of something like top that perhaps shows disk and/or network usage too?

[17:58:27]

fryfrog:

dstat is close...

[17:58:57]

hanneso_:

is mythfrontend writing somewhere log files?

[17:59:45]

mkrufky:

fryfrog: watch "netstat --tcp" ?

[17:59:58]

mkrufky:

(for network tcp usage)

[18:00:10]

GreyFoxx:

hanneso_: That depends on whatever you use to start mythfrontrend. T here is a commandline argument to tell it to log to a file

[18:00:21]

GreyFoxx:

most distros put it in /var//log/myth*

[18:00:56]

hanneso_:

there is only the mythbackend.log file, i start mythfrontend from the shell

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GreyFoxx:

hanneso_: Then you have to tell it to log to a file

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GreyFoxx:

mythfrontend -logfile filename

[18:01:34]

hanneso_:

GreyFoxx should I redirect or is there a commandline option

[18:01:35]

GreyFoxx:

err --logfile

[18:02:08]

GreyFoxx:

timekllr: Saw that, I've looked at your site a few times. Nifty. If only I could convince the wife :)

[18:02:38]

timekllr:

hehe – having a very understanding wife is key to a successful project :)

[18:02:49]

GreyFoxx:

heh mine normally is

[18:03:09]

GreyFoxx:

but when it comes to spending the money on the machine for the card she's not so much :)

[18:03:23]

GreyFoxx:

though if I just adapted a laptop and only had to pickup a touchscreen she would likely be agreeable

[18:03:34]

timekllr:

luckily I can bribe mine with the projects: https://www.timekiller.org/xmame/ (mame arcade) :)

[18:03:51]

timekllr:

hehe

[18:04:06]

GreyFoxx:

I have a couple spare laptops laying around I might donate to the cause

[18:04:22]

timekllr:

i thought about adding headrest screens, but decided against it when I thought "what happens when I'm watching porn?" :)

[18:04:26]

GreyFoxx:

ofcourse I want a transflective screen, so that is even more $$ :)

[18:04:33]

GreyFoxx:

timekllr: heh

[18:04:44]

timekllr:

yeah – i REALLY want the trans-reflective...

[18:04:46]

fryfrog:

*mobile* mythtv?

[18:04:54]

GreyFoxx:

have a little on/off sswitch upfront for each monitor :)

[18:05:01]

GreyFoxx:

kill them when noone is in the back :)

[18:05:40]

schtinker:

where would be the best place to post a developer job posting for a brand new Myth plugin?

[18:05:44]

GreyFoxx:

I've seen some REALLY cheap incar video systems with a dvdrom+2 monitors at walmart I might pick up for the backseat

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GreyFoxx:

then I just need to get a nice touchscreen for the front

[18:06:32]

GreyFoxx:

schtinker: Looking to have a custom plugin made ?

[18:06:35]

hanneso_:

ahhh the log says lirc_init failed for mythtv, see preceding messages

[18:07:55]

GreyFoxx:

jams: You around?> I have a patch for that mythgame segfault which works for me if you wanna try it

[18:08:02]

hanneso_:

is there a pastbin which accepts also files?

[18:08:04]

schtinker:

greyfoxx, yes I am

[18:08:06]

GreyFoxx:

jams: If it works for you , I'll commit

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GreyFoxx:

jams: If you see this : http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/mythgame-12398.patch

[18:09:17]

GreyFoxx:

schtinker: Probably mythtv-dev mailing list is the best place

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GreyFoxx:

I'm curious, what kind of plugin ?

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schtinker:

hmmmm

[18:10:39]

schtinker:

I don't know that I want to say yet

[18:10:44]

schtinker:

the idea is still kicking around in my head

[18:10:55]

schtinker:

let me ask you this, though

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schtinker:

have you ever heard of a private company partnering with an open source project for mutual gain before?

[18:11:20]

schtinker:

does that happen?

[18:11:31]

schtinker:

and how would it even work, from a legal standpoint?

[18:11:48]

schtinker:

there's no MythTV company is there?

[18:11:51]

Beirdo:

YAY!

[18:11:56]

schtinker:

not even a single entity, right?

[18:12:12]

Beirdo:

first run at the denoising in the GPU... 20FPS on an AGP 6600 card

[18:12:16]

GreyFoxx:

schtinker: No, no company

[18:12:24]

Beirdo:

and the output's messed up (colorwise) slightly.

[18:12:26]

schtinker:

how does Linus partner or work with companies like RedHat?

[18:12:33]

GreyFoxx:

schtinker: There are lots of devs, the main/original being Isaac

[18:12:37]

Beirdo:

messed up chroma signals somehow

[18:12:41]

toad_:

schtinker: yes, it does happen

[18:13:00]

schtinker:

toad_ can you point me to an example

[18:13:02]

toad_:

schtinker: there was a high profile partnership between coral and wine for a while; codeweavers still works with wine

[18:13:14]

fryfrog:

schtinker: there isn't anything hard about partnerting with open soucrce...

[18:13:15]

schtinker:

Greyfoxx, does Isaac have a job outside MythTV or is that it?

[18:13:18]

toad_:

redhat has sunk a lot of money into getting swing to work on free java's

[18:13:22]

GreyFoxx:

He works for Nvidia

[18:13:33]

GreyFoxx:

myth is just a fun thing we like to work on

[18:13:42]

ivor:

it's fun?

[18:13:48]

toad_:

there is another long-term example ...

[18:13:50]

GreyFoxx:

I enjoy playing with it :)

[18:13:53]

toad_:

look up Cygnus Solutions sometime

[18:14:02]

GreyFoxx:

schtinker: And we've had private companies come to us before

[18:14:17]

toad_:

fairly successful embedded company that does a LOT of work on GCC

[18:14:18]

schtinker:

it's just amazing to me that having a server donated to such a massive project that so many talented (and probably highly paid) people work on is a big deal

[18:14:31]

schtinker:

i can't believe the mythtv project hasn't found tons of business partners

[18:14:32]

GreyFoxx:

the telnet interface was paid for by Plutohome. They paid Chris to write it for them to use in their product with the code added to the project for anyone to use

[18:14:39]

toad_:

what file contains the list of users allowed to start X servers?

[18:14:43]

hanneso_:

does anyone know what the AddSamples FAILED means?

[18:14:49]

janneg:

Dibblah, mkrufky: I might have a patch for the stream corruption issue

[18:14:52]

hanneso_:

which appears during mythmusic

[18:15:19]

Dibblah:

janneg: Oooh :)

[18:15:39]

mkrufky:

janneg: great... this is to catch SIGSEGV ?

[18:16:06]

janneg:

no, but it might help to drop invalid data

[18:16:23]

schtinker:

GreyFoxx: so to clear up what we were talking about, if I were to purse a partnership, then I have to talk to Isaac, right?

[18:17:00]

GreyFoxx:

schtinker: It depends on what you want. If you just want some custom code, or aplugin I'd say talk to the dev list, if you want something more overall try Isaac

[18:17:26]

mkrufky:

hmm.... i think i should create a new mythtv installation on an alternate partition, so that i dont have to mess with my stable server to test that patch

[18:17:31]

schtinker:

GreyFoxx: what I'm talking about would be a business partnership

[18:17:43]

schtinker:

GreyFoxx: there would have to be some sort of negotiation

[18:17:53]

schtinker:

not just a development and release

[18:18:11]

schtinker:

well maybe not

[18:18:21]

schtinker:

see... the idea is still cooking

[18:18:23]

GreyFoxx:

Well, there is no "business" to partner with, so I personally don't know all the ins and outs nor what exactly you are thinking about :)

[18:18:36]

schtinker:

I don't really know myself

[18:18:38]

GreyFoxx:

but I'd say try contacting Isaac

[18:18:40]

mkrufky:

there are some business to drive out of the market, though

[18:18:52]

mkrufky:

like, tivo

[18:18:54]

mkrufky:

:-)

[18:18:56]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[18:19:05]

schtinker:

it has very little to do with Tivo

[18:19:15]

mkrufky:

i know, im not being serious

[18:19:17]

schtinker:

thanks for the info

[18:19:26]

schtinker:

I'll come back when I've rolled this around a little more

[18:19:29]

GreyFoxx:

cool

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alieas:

whats up dudes

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janneg:

hmm. no, it won't help with the eit scan crash. But it might make sense not to drop TS packets which indicates a transport error for audio and video pids

[18:29:55]

hanneso_:

janneg is this comment for me?

[18:29:56]

GreyFoxx:

Mmmmm wonder how much effort it would be to add a theme element that was pretty much just "send a key" event

[18:30:17]

GreyFoxx:

so myth incar/touchscreen users could have a simple onscreen icon for esc

[18:30:23]

janneg:

hanneso_: no

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juski:

hanneso_: could not connect to socket – is the lirc daemon running?

[18:30:36]

hanneso_:

yes it is

[18:31:02]

juski:

might be a privileges issue

[18:31:24]

juski:

check that irw works when you run it as the same user you're running mythfrontend as

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madd_matt:

Ever since I upgraded to myth 0.20, it takes really long to start up — after it "prescales theme images" i'm left with just a background image for a while before any menu appears.

[18:41:39]

GreyFoxx:

I've got one system here at the office that does that too, but none of the others do. I haven't tried to track it down yet though

[18:42:00]

GreyFoxx:

the machine is always on, so I often forget it has that problem

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jams:

GreyFoxx- will try that patch out now

[18:42:42]

GreyFoxx:

jams: cool

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GreyFoxx:

it fixes it for me

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S2-:

madd_matt: i have exactly your same problem

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juski:

madd_matt: me too – not really had a chance to look into it yet

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GreyFoxx:

I've got mine narrowed down by watching the logs, I'll see if I can find out what it is

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toad_:

somebody suggested I recompile the kernel with 1000Hz and that would fix my live-tv-is-sticky-but-not-live-tv-is-fine bug

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toad_:

it didn't

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toad_:

have a nice day, i gotta go now

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S2-:

bye toad_

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jams:

GreyFoxx- seems to work

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GreyFoxx:

cool

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jams:

playing f-zero now =)

[18:48:50]

GreyFoxx:

heh

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schtinker:

jams!

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schtinker:

wait

[18:50:59]

schtinker:

I was trying to do that exact thing this morning

[18:51:06]

schtinker:

which snes emulator?

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GreyFoxx:

jams: Cool, I'm gonna commit that change now then if it works for both of us

[18:51:15]

schtinker:

I tried zsnes and snes9x

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jams:

zsnes

[18:51:38]

schtinker:

with zsnes I kept getting an "Xlib: no display for 0.0" error

[18:51:40]

schtinker:

or something like that

[18:52:00]

schtinker:

with snes9x, my d-pad and select button work, but nothing else

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schtinker:

and when I say exact thing, I mean I was trying to play f-zero

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jams:

GreyFoxx- great, thats one thing to cross off my list of bugs

[18:52:45]

schtinker:

jams: did you happen to run into the "Xlib: no available display" error?

[18:52:52]

schtinker:

(I think that was it)

[18:53:08]

jams:

schtinker- nope, i selected f-zero from the list and it just worked

[18:53:24]

juski:

hrm strace is showing plenty going on while mythfrontend is just sitting there 'doing nothing'

[18:53:41]

schtinker:

have you been able to get zsnes to work outside of myth?

[18:53:47]

schtinker:

because I only tried it in a terminal

[18:53:51]

juski:

I need to filter this strace some I think

[18:53:52]

schtinker:

maybe I should just go to myth and test

[18:54:02]

GreyFoxx:

juski: Yeah, I've got it narrowed to between the execution of 2 sql queries, so I'm gonna try and narrow it down more

[18:54:42]

jams:

schtinker- all mythgame does is call the binary as defined in the setup screens

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GreyFoxx:

schtinker: If you are getting that error from a commandline it's because your environment DISPLAY variable isn't set and pointed to a running X server

[18:55:34]

schtinker:

GreyFoxx: ok, I'll try that out

[18:55:38]

schtinker:

and I'll try myth, too

[18:55:47]

schtinker:

which may have display control that I haven't set in the terminal window

[18:56:32]

schtinker:

totally different subject: does Myth save closed captioning data in the database along with the video?

[18:56:41]

GreyFoxx:

no

[18:56:50]

GreyFoxx:

So, it's not readily searchable

[18:56:50]

schtinker:

really?

[18:56:56]

juski:

really

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GreyFoxx:

Most users have DVB/pvr cards and the incoming data is just embedded in the mpeg stream. We never "see" the CC info during a recording

[18:57:56]

juski:

the other thing about dvb & cc data inside mpeg2 streams from some types of tuners – the CC data is in bitmap form

[18:58:11]

GreyFoxx:

yupm, just overlayed on the screen

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GreyFoxx:

schtinker: basically it varies from card to card, but for the most part we don't directly see it during a recording

[18:59:05]

GreyFoxx:

10 read from card, 20 write to disk, 30 goto 10

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GreyFoxx:

But something like mythcommflag or something else could certainly log or process it afterward

[18:59:39]

GreyFoxx:

since it's decoding the mpegstreams anyway

[18:59:50]

juski:

some folks have tried OCR on dvb subtitles I believe

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juski:

brave, brave and clever folks

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fryfrog:

is that how *dvd* subs are too?

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GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: ususally both

[19:01:21]

GreyFoxx:

a seperate stream with the subtitles

[19:01:30]

juski:

dvb subs are mpeg streams not bitmaps IIRC

[19:01:33]

fryfrog:

i mean, in that they are bitmaps?

[19:01:35]

GreyFoxx:

and an embedded vbi/cc info in the video

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juski:

vbi CC data is just text I think

[19:01:59]

juski:

well text & control chars

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juski:

some mpeg streams also have VBI data aswell – no idea how they're protected from the compression of mpeg2 though

[19:03:30]

jams:

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jams:

oops

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juski:

though that might well have involved OCR

[19:04:37]

juski:

why the question about how cc data is stored anyway? thinking about some kind of improvements to commercial flagging or something?

[19:05:54]

fryfrog:

curiosity in *my* case only

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juski:

huh? access("/home/juski/.mythtv/music_settings.xml", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)

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jams:

btw juski, put a link up to your website. Expect 1 – 2 extra vistors a month

[19:06:15]

juski:

lol ok. I think I can handle that

[19:06:29]

juski:

getting more than 50 visitors a day at the mo actually

[19:06:58]

juski:

but I'd not want to make my precious such a target

[19:07:34]

_LM_:

I've tried to change the size of the DVB subtitles (to make them smaller), but with no luck. Isn't that possible?

[19:07:37]

jams:

mine is around 100 a day

[19:07:44]

juski:

_LM_: no it's not possible

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GreyFoxx:

juski: That was when you went into mythmusic I assume?

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_LM_:

too bad

[19:08:10]

juski:

GreyFoxx: yeah

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GreyFoxx:

You can have theme overrides in your ~/.mythtv directory just like the mysqwl.txt and stuff

[19:08:27]

juski:

_LM_: you might be able to hack something into the subtitles display code to scale em

[19:08:42]

juski:

GreyFoxx: ahh I forgot about that

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jams:

heck doesn't even have to be in .mythtv

[19:09:21]

_LM_:

juski: Yeah, browsing the source now...

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jams:

it also searchs the cwd

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juski:

hmm I take it that without having debugging symbols compiled in I'll miss a lot of valuable (readable) info from strace & mythfrontend

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juski:

seeing a lot of stuff like read(18, "z996–312204(]227l363Hk23X-252fp!31536k367J223"..., 4096) = 4096 <0.000021>

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juski:

which I figure is all memory related

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fathom:

Can someone tell me where mythtvbackend gets it's password from when you try to start the backened server? I'm getting an error when i try to start it saying the user is denied. I know the user and password for the mysql account. I just have to figure out where to fix it.

[19:18:24]

GreyFoxx:

fathom: there is a mysql.txt file

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juski:

when going into the mythmusic settings menu, it takes a while.. I see access("/usr/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythmusic.so", F_OK) = 0 <0.000073> then a huge number of ioctl(5, FIONREAD, [1]) = 0 <0.000008> before the next load of reads

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GreyFoxx:

it's either in ~/.mythtv or in another global location that can vary depending on id you used packages

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fathom:

GreyFoxx, the one in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt ?

[19:19:01]

juski:

so I guess that's absolutely zip to go on

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jams:

juski- what are we looking at?

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fathom:

GreyFoxx, yeah, it's set there.

[19:19:45]

fathom:

i mean the username and password work when i connect to mysql manually.

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kormoc:

fathom, it can be in more then one place, check /root/.mythtv, /home/mythtv/.mythtv, /etc/mythtv

[19:20:57]

jams:

also /usr/share/mythtv/mysql.txt or /usr/local/share/mythtv/mysql.txt

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kormoc:

or if you just want to know every location on your box, find / -iname mysql.txt

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GreyFoxx:

xris: that would be neat upnp auto detection of the backend ?

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fathom:

kormoc, ah! i was looking at the wrong file

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jams:

GreyFoxx- thats something that Geckofiend started work on, but well he went away awhile ago...

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fathom:

that fixed that problem.

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fathom:

okay now the next intereting issue.

[19:25:16]

fathom:

i have a pchdtv 3000... the card works great. but my channels.conf doesn't match up to the same numbers as what they are on zap2it.

[19:25:41]

fathom:

how can i get the HD channel to use the data from something else?

[19:26:46]

juski:

jams: selected titbits from strace -T mythfrontend

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juski:

might be complete tosh but I'm having a go :)

[19:27:47]

juski:

arghh my cd burny app has expirated

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jams:

juski- for the install, you can leave the zipcode entry blank. It doen't really apply to you

[19:28:12]

juski:

hehe I think I might've figured that

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juski:

time to burn this iso, linux-wise

[19:29:56]

juski:

ah bum. k3b isn't working

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juski:

can't setup DCOP communication.. what the....

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empty:

I recently reinstalled MythTV this time using Gentoo. Everything is working fine except for one small item. I have the Hauppanauge 350 with the remote and mythtv is not working with it. I have LIRC emerged and compiled myth with lirc support. It also works fine with IRW, picking up and detecting all keypresses. Any idea how I can debug the problem?

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hanneso_:

remote control works! thank you all

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hanneso_:

except the entries which refer to irexec

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juski:

empty: maybe you need a lircrc file in the .mythtv directory which lives in the user's home dir

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empty:

have that

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empty:

i also have it sym linked to ~/.lircrc

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juski:

and it's definitely called _lircrc_ not (dot) lircrc ?

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empty:

yep

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juski:

and does it have prog = mythtv lines?

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GreyFoxx:

hehe people asking on the dev list about more animated theme elements hehe

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GreyFoxx:

cool

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juski:

nooooo!

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empty:

juski: yes all lines have prog = mythtv

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hanneso_:

GreyFoxx are there any themes which are not in the wiki around? some alternatives

[19:38:24]

hanneso_:

i had the same problem today and i found out that mythfrontend could not connect to lircd

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GreyFoxx:

hanneso_: A few that are as far as I know still in development

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hanneso_:

you could log mythfrontend

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empty:

hanneso_: just pipe the output ?

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empty:

because the log itself doesn't have much in it

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hanneso_:

GreyFoxx can we see them somewhere, the themes which come with mythtv are great, but some take a long time to get into menus like music or vide

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hanneso_:

empty no mythfronthend -v all

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juski:

what's wrong with the themes in the wiki-wikiwah? Huff, pout (etc)

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hanneso_:

and --logfile myth.log

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GreyFoxx:

hanneso_: The authors have them in various places, therethe only list is in the wiki :)

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empty:

hanneso_: thanks will try

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hanneso_:

juski no they are fine, they look greakt, but when i navigate trough the menues music and video takes quite a while till i can enter into the menu, about a minute

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juski:

same here

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empty:

ls

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hanneso_:

normal juski ?

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empty:

sorry

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jams:

that doesn't sound like a theme problem to me

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juski:

so it's only the themes that don't come with mythtv as standard?

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hanneso_:

hi james, your theme looks cool. i use it all the time

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hanneso_:

james have you got any ideas where this could be caused from

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juski:

I'm gonna try renaming blootube/music.xml & see if it speeds up the menus any

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juski:

sorry music-ui.xml

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juski:

I hope it doesn't

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juski:

nope

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jams:

hanneso_- my guess is it's just the delay while the info is located in the database

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juski:

phew!

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mkrufky:

oh... i tried mytharchive and it is awesome! .... but i found a bug: when creating a dvd with a menu, there is no highlighting of the currently selected menu item / thumbnail .... so, i cannot tell which recording is selected from the dvd...

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juski:

so hanneso_ it's not theme related

[19:44:22]

juski:

I didn't think it would be but you set my mind racing to the defensive

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hanneso_:

have you got the same problem

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jams:

hanneso_- mythmusic takes about 5 secs to load for me, but maybe you have more music then me

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hanneso_:

jams yes i have a lot of music

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jams:

mythvideo is snappy, but I have under 40 files

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jams:

music is about ~4000

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juski:

the problem I have (maybe not actually a problem) is that the settings menus of mythvideo & mythmusic take a while to come up

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hanneso_:

i've about 10 video files which are about 10gb

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hanneso_:

juski yes thats what i mean

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juski:

actually going into the music player is pretty quick

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jams:

juski- yes the settings screen for those two take about 10 secs for me

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juski:

much quicker than 0.18 was, for sure :)

[19:47:38]

juski:

ah so it's nowt I've done wrong & I'm not alone in that then... that's cool

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juski:

I was looking for something I could put right ;)

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jams:

in respect to the theme

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jams:

that makes a grand total of 3 people that I know use it

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hanneso_:

heheh, no it is a wonderfull theme

[19:51:27]

hanneso_:

no, you are joking, thats because the rest don't know about your theme

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juski:

part of the reason is that so few folks seem to use the wiki

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jams:

very possible

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hanneso_:

but your theme is not in the wiki

[19:53:00]

jams:

yeah it is, somebody put a link there but not screenshots

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juski:

after not being able to find a shot of Ilius last night I was thinking about making some shots & putting em in the wiki

[19:53:39]

jams:

went to correct it one day, but got sidetracked when making the account.

[19:54:16]

stevenh:

jams: what theme are you talking about?

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juski:

I'll install all your themes jams.. and put shots & linkies in the wiki for you

[19:54:52]

juski:

maybe we should all collaborate one of these days

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jams:

juski, only if you feel the need

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juski:

nah it's only fair

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hanneso_:

juski, honestly his theme looks quite good

[19:55:14]

juski:

for the time it'll take

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** stevenh goes to the wiki **

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juski:

hanneso_: I know how damn great his themes look – they're just not my cup of tea ;)

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jams:

heh

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juski:

no themes were, which is why I made my own in the first place

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empty:

hanneso_: thanks the logs showed that it wasn't finding it. it turns out you can't sym link from .lircrc to .mythtv/lircrc, but can the other way around.

[19:56:17]

stevenh:

jams: do you maintain nuv2disc at all yet?

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jams:

stevenh- naw mytharchive does a decent enough job

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hanneso_:

i've .mythtv/lircrc linked to ~/.lircrc

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empty:

hanneso_: yeah, but not the other way around

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empty:

myth will not follow the sym link.

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jams:

stevenh- i liked the layout of nuv2disc, but I don't see the point when mytharchive is an official plugin

[19:57:31]

empty:

at least in .21 it will look to .lircrc

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juski:

I don't get offended by folks not using my themes either, but what really _does_ boil my pee is that folks often say myth lacks professional looking themes. that could not be farther from the truth!

[19:57:55]

stevenh:

yeah, I sure used it alot. I have yet to try out mytharchive.

[19:58:08]

jams:

stevenh- glad to hear it

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juski:

damn I wish I was using svn now.. multiple theme caches <8

[19:58:30]

jams:

also glad it worked for you, some people had a crappy time getting it to work

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stevenh:

I use ProjectGrayhem for my theme currently.

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jams:

juski- is coume around much? if he wants he can take down the nuv2disc mythtvtalk website.

[20:00:03]

juski:

something else I wish.. that I hadn't been bored driving home from work & came up with the idea of having a monthly video podcast about mythtv

[20:00:16]

juski:

jams: he's out of the UK right now I think.. til about the 7th

[20:00:21]

jams:

k

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juski:

I want him to delete my old page on mythtvtalk aswell

[20:00:37]

stevenh:

juski: so when are you starting?

[20:00:42]

juski:

stevenh: lol

[20:00:47]

jams:

heh

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juski:

when I have some free time!

[20:00:51]

stevenh:

:)

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jams:

stevenh- did you hang out in knoppmyth for a while?

[20:02:42]

juski:

anyway I have a name for the podcast already... "mythtv talk" ;)

[20:02:46]

stevenh:

no, although you did help me quite a bit to get nuv2disc to work

[20:02:50]

juski:

which is kind of apt

[20:02:51]

jams:

i know we have talked before, just don't remember when

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stevenh:

juski: genious

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jams:

hehe that must have been awhile ago.

[20:03:36]

juski:

one thing for sure – there'll be no 'on camera' juski

[20:03:41]

stevenh:

basically it was from confilicting versions of transcode

[20:03:42]

jams:

hahaha

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juski:

sorry fans, etc

[20:03:56]

stevenh:

oh now i am disappointed.

[20:04:10]

juski:

you've not seen what you'd be missing, so no need :-P

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jams:

juski, your first podcast can be a great review of that iso you d/led today !

[20:04:53]

juski:

plus it's something nice to put on my CV

[20:05:25]

jams:

yeah that would look good

[20:05:51]

juski:

yeah – when I've done these screenshots – or as I'm doing em I'm gonna fire up the spare box & get shot of the ubuntu pox which currently lives on there

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jams:

lol "ubuntu pox"

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jams:

i have tons of ubuntu cd's laying around here. Almost seems like linux pro magazine is sponsered by ubuntu. Every month a new ubuntu dvd/cd is attached.

[20:09:30]

jams:

hey they have a picture of the mythtv booth from uk linux world

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juski:

which magazine?

[20:10:05]

jams:

linux magazine pro, january edition

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jams:

let me see if i'ts online

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juski:

lol @ " Don't waste time

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juski:

downloading Linux! "

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juski:

(sponsored by Microsoft?)

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jams:

looks like that article is not online

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Scopeuk:

juski to be acompanied by the dont waste time downloading windows (yes it is possible to do that legaly)

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Scopeuk:

lol

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juski:

led astray I was, I tells ya

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juski:

oops I forgot about my 'jpeg2000-wide' theme

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juski:

crashy

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juski:

maybe a bit early for that, but he'll get testers anyway :)

[20:18:30]

juski:

"welcome to the exciting installer"

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juski:

yay

[20:18:37]

** Scopeuk curses having thrown out several monitors recently and dident take the vga cable **

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jams:

hehe

[20:19:45]

Scopeuk:

technically i think i have a vga extension in the cupboard from a monitor i threw out a few weeks ago

[20:19:56]

juski:

blimmin eck jams this is genius!

[20:20:14]

jams:

now it still has some problems, but it does work

[20:21:00]

juski:

"say no if you are confused"

[20:21:01]

juski:

love it!

[20:21:04]

jams:

i keep adding things, and breaking things other things :(

[20:21:06]

jams:

hehehe

[20:21:47]

jams:

some of that text is pure placeholder

[20:22:18]

juski:

not a quick formatter then...

[20:22:56]

jams:

how large is the drive?

[20:23:02]

juski:

160GB

[20:23:19]

juski:

smallest I have lying around, next to my old xbox hdd

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jams:

not bad, should be done in under 2 minutes.

[20:23:57]

jams:

ext3?

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juski:

yeah

[20:24:26]

juski:

oh wait the % indicator is for total...

[20:24:35]

juski:

the format didn't take very long really

[20:24:38]

jams:

yes total

[20:24:53]

jams:

in fact that indicator will be *off*

[20:24:58]

jams:

it's close but off

[20:25:17]

jams:

i think it goest to 104% or something like that

[20:25:35]

juski:

70% now

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jams:

it's on the list of things to redo, but it works so it's at the BOTTOM of the list

[20:26:01]

juski:

roger

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jams:

please say you have a nvidia card.

[20:26:36]

juski:

yeah

[20:26:41]

jams:

whew

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juski:

not for my frontend though

[20:27:03]

jams:

s3,nvidia,vmware are supported for the X setup

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jams:

eck

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stevenh:

what are you guys working on?

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juski:

I'm not working on anything – I'm trying something out

[20:27:43]

jams:

juski- is the frontend card an intel?

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jams:

stevenh- juski is giving my lastest project a while

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juski:

jams: frontend is via cle266

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czth:

i'm h4x0ring your gibson, please to being quiet so i can concentrate on skateboarding up the glittering cyberskyscrapers mmk?

[20:28:24]

juski:

heheh reboot didn't happen. the machine powered off

[20:28:38]

stevenh:

jams: are you working on a myth distro?

[20:29:10]

jams:

stevenh- sorta. I have maintained my own for awhile.

[20:29:31]

jams:

stevenh- goto jmeyer.us gallery,screenshots,mythinstall

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juski:

I like the reveal on the opening menu

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jams:

i guess your right, I use reboot in the text but poweroff the machine

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juski:

hrm mythtv-setup detected that mythbackend is running

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juski:

see if ssh is running

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jams:

yeah I love the reveal as well

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stevenh:

hmmm i have been there before, i wonder what for. it is in jmeyer.us is in my browser history.

[20:30:56]

juski:

jams: what can I login as?

[20:31:03]

jams:

juski root

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stevenh:

ahhh this is where the themese were.

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jams:

juski- alt-h will show you all the keyboard shortcuts

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juski:

very VERY clever

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juski:

scanning....

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TheBarron:

Is this possible with Myth: I have a project and a touchscreen. I want the video to go out the projector, but the interface to go to the touchscreen, as like a remote control for myth

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Scopeuk:

good look with that

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Scopeuk:

you could probablyknock somethign up that interfaced throug hthe telnet isterface

[20:41:41]

TheBarron:

I assume you mean luck :)

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Scopeuk:

yup

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Scopeuk:

sorry was watchin tv minds not 1050% with it

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GreyFoxx:

TheBarron: No, it wont split like that

[20:45:30]

GreyFoxx:

You would have use something else on the touchscreeen

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TheBarron:

like?

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GreyFoxx:

someone was posting a java based onscreenremote the other day that would send keystrokes through the telnet itnerface

[20:46:04]

GreyFoxx:

you could have the remote on the touchscreen and menu/video on the projector

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GreyFoxx:

Or of course write your own webbased interface and have a fullscreenbrowser on the touchscreen

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TheBarron:

web based.. still uses the telnet interface to talk to myth, or.. ?

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GreyFoxx:

I meant say webbased because for most people whipping of a little web or phpbased interface to send signals through the telnet controsl is the easiest solution :)

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GreyFoxx:

you hit a button on the page, it calls the script which telnets in and sends the keystroke

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xris:

but you need to decide between hdtv and sdtv for something else

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sleek:

well, as i understand it, the digital tuners can do analog as well, correct?

[20:55:16]

TheBarron:

definitely don't want the 350... because of driver issues, or ?

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xris:

sleek: not very well

[20:55:28]

GreyFoxx:

sleek: Some of them do, unfortuinately just as software framegrabbers

[20:55:35]

xris:

TheBarron: well, it costs 3x what a pvr-150 does, and doesn't have as nice of a tuner

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TheBarron:

and the 250?

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xris:

sleek: describe what you're trying to record

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xris:

TheBarron: 150 replaces the 250

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TheBarron:

ah, k

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xris:

350 has video output, but it's not as good as nvidia's tv output, and has poor support in linux.

[20:56:18]

sleek:

xris: regular cable, and/or digital cable

[20:56:23]

czth:

i have 2 150s, but i don't have HDTV and probably won't bother with it until my TV dies, and Trinitrons have a decent rep for not dying easily

[20:56:25]

xris:

sleek: in the US?

[20:56:29]

sleek:

yes

[20:56:43]

xris:

sleek: if you get digital cable with an HD box, you can record via firewire, without a tuner.

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czth:

if i'd've been smart i'd've put it in our bedroom when the tree fell on it, and got insurance to buy me a new one :)

[20:56:53]

xris:

and if you're lucky, you'll get SD over firewire, too

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sleek:

xris: let's assume normal cable, not digital

[20:57:10]

sleek:

i want to be able to record and watch at the same time

[20:57:11]

xris:

sleek: then you want a pvr-150 or pvr-500

[20:57:20]

xris:

sleek: then you want a pvr-500 or two 150s

[20:57:26]

sleek:

what would you recommend?

[20:57:31]

xris:

they're identical

[20:57:45]

xris:

500 just uses one pci slot for 2 tuners, and costs slightly more than two 150s

[20:58:09]

sleek:

is it feasible to get a 500 and a 150?

[20:58:11]

TheBarron:

I'm going to get my HDTV OTA.. what's a good digital tuner? The 150 isn't digital/ATSC, is it?

[20:58:22]

xris:

TheBarron: you want the pchdtv, then

[20:58:26]

xris:

and a good antenna

[20:58:36]

TheBarron:

yeah.. I have a Channel Master 4228 on order

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TheBarron:

and gonna get a 30' telescoping mast

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empty:

haup has a new one that is digital/atsc

[20:59:33]

Kronuz:

hey, I need some help from you video capture wizards :)

[20:59:44]

GreyFoxx:

TheBarron: the pchdtv is widely used, along with the avermedia a180 and dvico fusion cards

[20:59:44]

TheBarron:

empty: is it any good? :)

[20:59:47]

Kronuz:

re there video capture cards that can capture more than a couple channels at the same time?

[20:59:48]

xris:

empty: does it work in linux?

[21:00:04]

xris:

Kronuz: depends on what signal you want, but generally, no

[21:00:07]

TheBarron:

pchdtv is kinda linux only though, right? I want it to support linux, but would like it to work under windoze too

[21:00:09]

TobyGlenn:

anyone else run ubuntu and have to start the myth backend manually on startup or know of a fix to get it to startup on its own (I went through both the ubuntu edgy manual on ubuntu's site and mythtvs site)

[21:00:12]

empty:

xris: no idea. I just saw it today. It's a dual. It also has the old one on board.

[21:00:13]

Kronuz:

the thing is I want to build a video/audio capture and streaming server

[21:00:24]

Kronuz:

and I'll need to capture around 6 video channels and up to 20 audio channels for later live streaming

[21:00:30]

xris:

Kronuz: usb

[21:00:41]

Kronuz:

usb cards?

[21:00:47]

xris:

Kronuz: usb capture devices

[21:00:50]

Kronuz:

maybe.... hmm

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Kronuz:

though I'm sure those won't have hardware encoding

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GreyFoxx:

Kronuz: What is your video source ?

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xris:

Kronuz: most have to. usb doesn't have the bandwidth

[21:01:20]

Kronuz:

and capturing 6 video channels and 20 audio channels may be too much for a server

[21:01:24]

GreyFoxx:

DVB? ATSC? Analog cable ?

[21:01:36]

xris:

but like GreyFoxx and I said, it really depends on what type of signal you're recording..

[21:01:53]

Kronuz:

GreyFoxx: it'll be regular RCA for both video and the audio channels

[21:02:00]

Kronuz:

only L-R for audio

[21:02:02]

xris:

Kronuz: so.. composite?

[21:02:06]

Kronuz:

yep

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GreyFoxx:

Kronuz: Ok, so analog captures then

[21:02:09]

Kronuz:

well, not really

[21:02:20]

Kronuz:

just the recular yellow, red white

[21:02:24]

GreyFoxx:

That's analog

[21:02:24]

Kronuz:

(tipical RCA)

[21:02:29]

Kronuz:

yep

[21:02:37]

Kronuz:

analog

[21:02:52]

GreyFoxx:

So you are best of an array of PVR500's

[21:02:57]

Kronuz:

I'll be capturing TV and radio

[21:03:10]

empty:

what are most of you using for display manager? I really don't want a bloated gdm or kdm, but also don't care for xdm

[21:03:20]

GreyFoxx:

well 3 PVR500's will record 6 inputs but you would need the breakout to use the second rca/svideo input

[21:03:29]

GreyFoxx:

so you might not have enough room/slots

[21:03:41]

Kronuz:

the breakout?

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GreyFoxx:

empty: Icewm here

[21:04:18]

empty:

GreyFoxx: is that a display manager or just window manager?

[21:04:19]

GreyFoxx:

Kronuz: Thes, if you weant to use 2 rca/svideo inputs on a500 (since there is only one of th eback) you need the addon breakout which has the other input

[21:04:21]

Kronuz:

'cause definitely Scientific Atlanta sounds too expensive :P

[21:04:24]

GreyFoxx:

empty: Window manager

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GreyFoxx:

I don't use a DM, there is no point on a dedicated myth machine

[21:04:53]

empty:

GreyFoxx: I'm using evilwm for my window manager. So do you autologin?

[21:05:10]

GreyFoxx:

empty: I don't actually have to login at all(no login manager is used)

[21:05:17]

Kronuz:

GreyFoxx: and the second one will record another 3 channels?

[21:05:29]

GreyFoxx:

i just have a line at the end of my init scripts that starts myth as the mythtv user

[21:05:38]

GreyFoxx:

echo "Launching XWindows"

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GreyFoxx:

su – mythtv -c "bash -l startx — -dpi 100" &

[21:05:46]

GreyFoxx:

That's at the end of my rc.local

[21:05:48]

empty:

ah i see

[21:05:50]

empty:

thanks

[21:05:55]

GreyFoxx:

X starts my window manager, and icewm auto starts mythfrontend

[21:05:58]

GreyFoxx:

no need for a dm at all

[21:06:04]

Defend:

i was reading in the newer ffmpeg they changed the bit rate flag input and nuvexport uses the old syntax is that correct any one know?

[21:06:09]

empty:

cool, thanks a lot

[21:06:27]

kormoc:

Defend, they change it quite often, aye

[21:06:30]

Kronuz:

GreyFoxx, why did you say the PVR captures 6 channels?

[21:06:33]

GreyFoxx:

Kronuz: Each PVR500 card will record 2 items, so if you want 6 channels you need 3 pvr cards

[21:06:41]

Defend:

noo

[21:06:42]

Defend:

lol

[21:06:47]

Kronuz:

oh, I see

[21:06:48]

GreyFoxx:

I didn't , I told you to get an array of 500's

[21:06:55]

Defend:

dont tell me that i just want my stuff not blocky ;p

[21:07:01]

Kronuz:

yeah, I got confused :P

[21:07:04]

Kronuz:

:)

[21:07:06]

GreyFoxx:

BUT with the breakouts taking up space you might not fit them into a single machine

[21:07:07]

kormoc:

Defend, the nuvexport tends to give a version of ffmpeg it's intended to work with

[21:07:27]

Kronuz:

GreyFoxx: yep

[21:07:28]

kormoc:

GreyFoxx, but for standard cable, you don't need the breakout I thought

[21:07:33]

Kronuz:

also there's the audio issue too

[21:07:37]

Defend:

FN~kormoc, do you know what file of nuv passes the info to ffmeg? i will adjust it to correct parms

[21:07:42]

sleek:

is the pvr-150 lp the same as the pvr-150? just smaller?

[21:07:43]

GreyFoxx:

kormoc: You don't, but he's recordinmg from composite

[21:07:44]

Kronuz:

I have no idea how I would capture 20 audio channels :S

[21:08:24]

kormoc:

GreyFoxx, ahh, missed that

[21:08:28]

kormoc:

sleek, aye

[21:08:28]

GreyFoxx:

Now, I've never tried the usb capture devices, and theoretically usb2 could support 6 video streams on 1 machine

[21:08:33]

Kronuz:

so the PVR500 runs okay under linux I suppose

[21:08:35]

kormoc:

Defend, I don't, but xris would

[21:08:39]

GreyFoxx:

kormoc: Yup

[21:08:52]

Defend:

ahh never loooked at that option alok thanks mate

[21:08:55]

GreyFoxx:

Kronuz: Yeah, basically 0% cpu to reecord since it's all done in hardware on the pvr card

[21:09:04]

GreyFoxx:

It's just disk IO and pci bandwidth

[21:09:04]

kormoc:

Kronuz, 20 audio channels? why use catpure cards to capture audio?

[21:09:24]

Kronuz:

kormoc: no no, audio is another of the problems

[21:09:37]

Kronuz:

I also need video capturing 6 channels (could need more later)

[21:09:50]

kormoc:

Kronuz, usb sound cards perhaps

[21:10:06]

Kronuz:

kormoc: didn't even know they existed :P

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kormoc:

they do exist, but not sure about linux support

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Kronuz:

I wouldn't be needing the TV tunner nor the remote control for the PVR cards... you know if there are other cards without those?

[21:11:31]

Kronuz:

just hardware compression and composite input

[21:12:37]

kormoc:

there really isn't any

[21:12:51]

Kronuz:

or in any other brand

[21:13:05]

kormoc:

happauge is really the only brand with hardware encoding

[21:13:07]

Kronuz:

I think I remember seeing those MPEG4 encoders

[21:13:07]

xris:

Defend: use nuvexport, it'll make your life easier than trying to figure it all out by hand

[21:13:24]

mkrufky:

kormoc: not so

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xris:

kormoc: plextor, too

[21:13:37]

Kronuz:

YUAN High-Tech Development

[21:13:38]

Kronuz:

that's the one

[21:13:39]

mkrufky:

there are many cards supported by the ivtv driver that are not hauppauge cards

[21:13:48]

Kronuz:

(tho it seems it also has the tv tuner)

[21:13:58]

mkrufky:

...also, there are quite a few of these cards with svideo / composite inputs without a tvtuner

[21:14:01]

kormoc:

mkrufky, most of those are like the m179, just rebranded happauge cards

[21:14:10]

mkrufky:

i have one at home, im my 'pile of junk'

[21:14:42]

Kronuz:

hey, if I want to stream the video later on, what would be the best encoding format to keep the video?

[21:14:42]

kormoc:

xris, aye, plextor was the other brand that I was attempting to remember, but I seem to recall they've been having issues with those cards

[21:15:07]

Kronuz:

I mean, I suppose I can convert to any format the client wants in almost real time

[21:15:25]

Kronuz:

like real video, windows media, etc.

[21:15:38]

Kronuz:

what are the other common streaming formats?

[21:15:38]

mkrufky:

also, OnAir makes devices with hardware mpeg encoders

[21:16:03]

mkrufky:

they are supported by an altered version of the pvrusb2 driver..... hopefully we'll release that newer driver soon

[21:16:19]

kormoc:

mkrufky, you sure? last I knew they are hd capture cards, and thus just capturing the mpeg2 stream off of the air

[21:16:26]

Defend:

xris i am but it is coming out block cause i think ffmeg changed the bit rate cmd and nuv is passing the old one

[21:16:29]

sleek:

is there any benefit to having a single capture card?

[21:16:46]

kormoc:

sleek, being able to capture tv?

[21:16:50]

mkrufky:

kormoc: the OnAir devices are basically, pvrusb2 + atsc demod

[21:16:57]

sleek:

kormoc: but you can't watch at the same time, right?

[21:16:58]

mkrufky:

OnAir HDTV Creator, that is

[21:17:14]

kormoc:

mkrufky, ATSC is hdtv, which is already in mpeg2, so no, not a hardware encoder

[21:17:18]

Kronuz:

I can't find the OnAir website

[21:17:20]

Kronuz:

what is it?

[21:17:24]

kormoc:

sleek, sure, you can watch what is currently recording

[21:17:31]

mkrufky:

kormoc: the OnAir Creator has ATSC AND NTSC

[21:17:39]

sleek:

kormoc: ahhh, i see

[21:17:47]

Kronuz:

I think I found it

[21:17:51]

mkrufky:

it has the lgh064f NIM, the saa7115 broadcast decoder, and a cx23416 mpeg encoder

[21:17:57]

mkrufky:

www.autumnwave.com

[21:18:01]

kormoc:

nifty

[21:18:04]

kormoc:

my mistake then

[21:18:09]

Kronuz:

thanks mkrufky :)

[21:18:11]

mkrufky:

if anybody wants to help me debug the driver, let me know

[21:18:23]

Kronuz:

hey, how is video and audio streamed? using TCP or UDP, or what?

[21:18:24]

mkrufky:

:-) it's almost done, just a showstopper bug holding things back

[21:18:49]

Kronuz:

'cause I mean if it uses TCP... sounds like it could be choppy and bandwidth consuming

[21:19:04]

empty:

any idea why the hauppanauge cards only support 100 channels? Is that just a limitation of their product?

[21:19:17]

juski:

Kronuz: if you don't like it you can always change it.. the code is out there

[21:19:34]

Kronuz:

juski: if I don't like what?

[21:19:39]

Kronuz:

what are you talking about? :)

[21:19:51]

juski:

if you don't like how myth streams stuff

[21:20:16]

Kronuz:

oh, no I didn't say anything about liking, I asked how streaming is done

[21:20:24]

Kronuz:

(generally done, in fact)

[21:20:36]

juski:

of course you don't need myth to stream anything – you can always share the recordings directory & mount it 'locally'

[21:20:52]

juski:

only recorded streams are er.. streamed

[21:20:59]

juski:

music & mythvideo aren't

[21:21:21]

juski:

as for how.. I think it's tcp based

[21:22:17]

xris:

Kronuz: myth streams by sending the requested file over mythproto

[21:22:35]

xris:

or http, if you use the upnp stuff

[21:22:49]

juski:

btw xris I've seen the new mythweb settings page now.. very nift :)

[21:23:02]

Kronuz:

does anyone have a stream online that I can see?

[21:23:09]

Kronuz:

(just to check it out for a moment)

[21:23:14]

empty:

0000

[21:24:14]

xris:

juski: should look at the recording details page after last night. :)

[21:24:27]

xris:

Kronuz: there are no online streams. it only streams between frontend/backend.

[21:24:36]

Kronuz:

oh

[21:25:15]

xris:

will eventually be flashvideo stuff added to mythweb, and there is a third party plugin to stream via mythweb, but nothing official

[21:25:38]

xris:

Kronuz: mythtv is a dvr system, not a streaming server

[21:26:01]

Kronuz:

yep, I know

[21:26:20]

Kronuz:

actually I never asked for that but juski got me wrong and it all ended here :P

[21:26:24]

xris:

the devs are very hesitant to add any technology that might catch the eye of groups like the MPAA

[21:26:25]

** DVBMark wiats patiently for the flashvideo **

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** juski watches DVBMark's hair grow long **

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Kronuz:

I just asked if anyone knew how streaming is done

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DVBMark:

LOL

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TheBarron:

someone said a bit ago that Happauge has a digital tuner now.. but all I see on their site is European. I'm looking to receive ATSC OTA..

[21:27:06]

xris:

Kronuz: I answered that much. it uses a proprietary protocol.. but it's basically just a data stream

[21:27:19]

TheBarron:

just wondered if there's anything good other than the pcHDTV

[21:27:36]

slowone:

TheBarron: happauge has a dual analog(sd) tunner

[21:27:43]

Kronuz:

what was that streaming software for linux?

[21:27:47]

Kronuz:

(the famous one)

[21:27:47]

TheBarron:

ah.. I think I found it.. they call it HVR

[21:28:15]

xris:

Kronuz: icecast?

[21:28:22]

xris:

or helix?

[21:28:26]

xris:

or vlc

[21:28:32]

Kronuz:

hmm.. I was thinking about VLC, yes

[21:28:40]

xris:

or slimserver

[21:28:45]

Kronuz:

I'll have to check the others :P

[21:28:47]

xris:

vlc isn't just for linux

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Kronuz:

yeah, there are ports to other systems :)

[21:29:04]

xris:

the others are mostly audio, except for helix, which is realnetwork's open source one.

[21:29:08]

Kronuz:

I remember using it even under windows

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xris:

Kronuz: mythstreamtv (third party plugin for mythweb) uses vlc

[21:29:44]

Kronuz:

I remember trying to get into VLC code a couple years back

[21:31:03]

xris:

DVBMark: at least you get a high res preview pixmap on the new recording details page.

[21:31:23]

Kronuz:

(USB video capture with hardware MPEG2 encoder)

[21:31:30]

Kronuz:

(and small too)

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DVBMark:

xris: yes we should count our blessings! :)

[21:31:58]

xris:

DVBMark: probably better to stick with hauppauge

[21:32:32]

xris:

er, that was for Kronuz

[21:32:42]

Kronuz:

:)

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r3m0t:

does Debian/Ubuntu's build of mythtv include native lirc support?

[21:33:01]

xris:

DVBMark: we? I *make* the blessings. :) don't have to count them, too. heh.

[21:33:18]

Kronuz:

I guess I'll have to contact the companies (Hauppauge and YUAN)

[21:33:20]

juski:

r3m0t: AFAIK they do

[21:33:30]

r3m0t:

thanks

[21:33:38]

juski:

Kronuz: good luck getting blood out of the latter stone ;)

[21:33:52]

DVBMark:

xris: ok that should be reworded then, let us all count our blessings that xris makes for us!

[21:33:53]

Kronuz:

O_O

[21:33:53]

DVBMark:

:)

[21:34:06]

r3m0t:

is there a quick way of whipping up a "~/.mythtv/lircrc" from my remote definition in lircd.conf?

[21:34:32]

xris:

r3m0t: not really. how would it know which key to assign where?

[21:34:50]

r3m0t:

I thought you just made up the names :S

[21:35:09]

xris:

r3m0t: that's sort of my point...

[21:35:15]

kormoc:

r3m0t, exactly, *you* make up the names

[21:35:21]

xris:

there are sample config files, though

[21:35:25]

Kronuz:

how much is one of those WinTV for USB?

[21:35:32]

Kronuz:

does anyone know?

[21:35:37]

xris:

Kronuz: pricegrabber.com

[21:35:54]

kormoc:

Kronuz, I'd be happy to sell you a few at $999.95 each, I'll even throw in free shipping!

[21:35:58]

xris:

r3m0t: but what format would that be? what if you wanted multi-button comos, etc.

[21:36:10]

r3m0t:

begin; prog=mythtv; button=PLAY; config=PLAY; end

[21:36:30]

xris:

r3m0t: except that mythtv doesn't use "play"

[21:36:43]

juski:

a good perusal of the linuxtv.org wiki is essential before buying any tv capture hardware for linux. then if the stuff you want isn't listed there, search the v4l mailing list archives, if they're not mentioned there, look in the v4l kernel source...

[21:36:43]

r3m0t:

oh god *-) what does it use?

[21:36:47]

Kronuz:

kormoc: you know, that was too much, you could have made the sale for 500 a piece but your greed got you ;)

[21:36:48]

xris:

or rather, "play" button on a remote could be used differently in different sections of mythtv

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r3m0t:

yes, but that's configured inside mythtv

[21:37:07]

xris:

r3m0t: "enter" is what plays a recording.. or "right arrow" to select it and modify the playback settings.

[21:37:14]

xris:

r3m0t: no, that's configured via lirc

[21:37:19]

kormoc:

Kronuz, but... but... but... ***FREE SHIPPING*** :P

[21:37:24]

Kronuz:

lol

[21:37:53]

r3m0t:

*bug-eye* so I'll do all this manually, hum hum

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xris:

r3m0t: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . mple.mceusb2

[21:38:18]

kormoc:

r3m0t, for example, my Play button maps to F5

[21:38:35]

kormoc:

see https://kormoc.homelinux.org/lircrc

[21:38:44]

r3m0t:

surely that's not very useful when you have a keyboard to hand

[21:38:50]

juski:

okay time to uploadify some screenyshots

[21:38:54]

Bogus8:

how is the intel 815 chipset for knoppmyth or linux/myth in general?

[21:39:16]

kormoc:

r3m0t, sure it is, most of the time, I use enter which is different then just play

[21:39:38]

juski:

Bogus8: depends. the open source driver sometimes doesn't support tv-out – meaning you have to use Intel's IEGD binary drivers, which can be a PITA to get worky

[21:39:57]

r3m0t:

so I need to copy all the button names from lircd, give them a config= assignment, *then* go into the "Config Keys" area in mythtv and add all the mappings?

[21:40:22]

Bogus8:

juski: I would be using a Geforce FX 5200 in the AGP slot and turning off the built on gfx... still an issue?

[21:40:28]

r3m0t:

like F11 -> Volume Up?

[21:40:31]

juski:

Bogus8: nope

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Bogus8:

juski: so I should be good to go then?

[21:40:44]

xris:

r3m0t: if you change all of them, yes.

[21:40:50]

xris:

the one I sent you only requires changing a couple

[21:41:05]

juski:

Bogus8: in theory, yeah

[21:41:18]

r3m0t:

yeah, but I don't really work with the default key mappings in mythtv (haven't learnt it)

[21:41:22]

r3m0t:

I get by :-)

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Bogus8:

juski: just making sure there were no glaring issues with the 815 chipset

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r3m0t:

ok, thanks all

[21:41:59]

r3m0t:

hey... is this lircrc example installed on my system?

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xris:

r3m0t: you're the only one who can know that

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r3m0t:

ha ha. is it in the debian package?

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r3m0t:

my myth box isn't network-connected yet, you see

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pillsburyDOEboi:

helloO

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xris:

r3m0t: which debian package? (there are more than one).. I honestly don't know. dpkg would tell you, as would locate

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r3m0t:

ok

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pillsburyDOEboi:

what were the commands for stopping and restarting backend, and to reconfigure setup ?

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kormoc:

pillsburyDOEboi, /etc/init.d/mythbackend start/restart/stop mythtv-setup

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xris:

pillsburyDOEboi: killall mythbackend

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pillsburyDOEboi:

yesterday someone typed alt+2 or alt+1 or something like that

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Scopeuk:

thats or knoppmyth

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xris:

pillsburyDOEboi: alt-f1, alt-f2, etc for switching consoles in console mode.

[21:47:41]

pillsburyDOEboi:

how do i reconfigure my tuner card, it has no sound but it has video

[21:47:49]

Scopeuk:

what type of tuner is it

[21:47:59]

pillsburyDOEboi:

kworld global tv terminator

[21:48:04]

juski:

Scopeuk: you should see what I've just been trying out. man I am raving!

[21:48:23]

pillsburyDOEboi:

who names their card that ?

[21:48:28]

Scopeuk:

i caughtthe tail end ofyou testing install i think

[21:48:39]

Scopeuk:

kworld?

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kormoc:

pillsburyDOEboi, someone who will create skynet

[21:48:48]

Scopeuk:

enjoying the expereience then juski?

[21:48:48]

pillsburyDOEboi:

a card that terminates world tv

[21:49:05]

Scopeuk:

does it hunt sarah o'connor?

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kormoc:

Sure would

[21:49:29]

kormoc:

it will randomly switch stations till it finds her

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pillsburyDOEboi:

ok, so how do i reenter config mode

[21:49:50]

Scopeuk:

mythtv-setup

[21:50:01]

pillsburyDOEboi:

configuration page

[21:51:25]

pillsburyDOEboi:

cesman can u help out.

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kormoc:

well, you can continue to ignore people...

[21:52:00]

Scopeuk:

pillsburyDOEboi what distro you using?

[21:52:08]

pillsburyDOEboi:

knoppmyth

[21:52:08]

Scopeuk:

what you want is mythtv-setup

[21:52:12]

Scopeuk:

right alt+s

[21:52:24]

Scopeuk:

after pressign alt 2 to kill the backend

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pillsburyDOEboi:

do i have to stop backend before i enter

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Scopeuk:

yes

[21:52:34]

Scopeuk:

with alt+2

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pillsburyDOEboi:

restart with alt1

[21:52:49]

Scopeuk:

start again with alt+1

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Scopeuk:

alt+3 is complet restart of backend

[21:52:55]

pillsburyDOEboi:

beat ya

[21:52:57]

juski:

hookees.. wiki theme gallery is slightly more up to date

[21:53:16]

pillsburyDOEboi:

thanks<Scopeuk>

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kormoc:

pillsburyDOEboi, you don't need the <>'s around the nickname, they're put there by your irc client to indicate that it's a nickname

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juski:

and now it's time to spend some time on the couch

[21:56:33]

Scopeuk:

couch damn you and your comfeyneww

[21:56:41]

Scopeuk:

r

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Dibblah:

Does anyone know if there is actually any requirement for the MBE to have a capture card, as is suggested in the documentation?

[22:08:57]

pillsburyDOEboi:

has anyone gotten this terminator card to work

[22:09:06]

jams:

Dibblah it has been done before, but strange things have been know to occur

[22:09:36]

jams:

mostly when you have a slave backend with all the tuner cards

[22:09:47]

Dibblah:

Hmm. I've looked through the scheduler query, and a first pass seems to be OK.

[22:09:49]

xris:

Dibblah: not required, but sort of pointless

[22:09:54]

Dibblah:

Yeah, that's the plan.

[22:10:39]

Dibblah:

Okay. I'll just switch the MBE around so it's on the 'new' slave.

[22:11:30]

pillsburyDOEboi:

can someone help me with this sound issue

[22:12:23]

jams:

xris whats required to get a functional nuvexport for svn head ?

[22:12:37]

xris:

jams: perl bindings, that's about it.

[22:12:56]

xris:

and make sure you're using nuvexport from svn, too, not my tarball

[22:13:02]

jams:

right

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jams:

thanks

[22:13:41]

Dibblah:

pillsburyDOEboi: Which guide are you following to do the install?

[22:14:03]

pillsburyDOEboi:

knoppmyth setup default (auto)

[22:14:28]

pillsburyDOEboi:

i have been hammering my head on it since yesterday

[22:14:40]

xris:

pillsburyDOEboi: what kind of tuner card?

[22:14:52]

pillsburyDOEboi:

kworld global tv terminator

[22:15:02]

pillsburyDOEboi:

my mb is via cheapset

[22:15:06]

pillsburyDOEboi:

lol

[22:15:36]

pillsburyDOEboi:

i really want to get this going

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bmsleight:

hi

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BULLE:

that was one of the funniest tv card names i have seen in a long time =)

[22:16:27]

pillsburyDOEboi:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/KWorld_Global_TV_Terminator if this helps

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pillsburyDOEboi:

i think mythtv is using my chipset sound card as default

[22:17:31]

BULLE:

pillsburyDOEboi: well, mythtv is using whatever you tell it to use

[22:17:40]

Dibblah:

pillsburyDOEboi: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/KWorld_Global_TV_Terminator

[22:17:43]

BULLE:

it might very well default to card number 1, or OSS emulation,

[22:17:47]

Dibblah:

Use The Might Of The Wiki.

[22:17:50]

Dibblah:

Or Google.

[22:17:51]

theshibboleth:

Do I need to update the mythvideo database manually, and if so how? Thanks.

[22:17:53]

xris:

pillsburyDOEboi: do you have an audio patch cable?

[22:18:23]

pillsburyDOEboi:

i am looking at that wiki page

[22:18:27]

pillsburyDOEboi:

already

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Dibblah:

So why ask here? ;)

[22:18:39]

pillsburyDOEboi:

patch ?

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Dibblah:

Shouldn't need a patch cable.

[22:19:08]

pillsburyDOEboi:

well i tried all the things on that wiki page

[22:19:09]

dev:

or a patch panel

[22:19:16]

xris:

Dibblah: yeah, read that in the wiki...

[22:19:22]

Dibblah:

(A cable between your TV card and your audio input)

[22:19:40]

xris:

pillsburyDOEboi: sorry, some framegrabber cards don't actually record sound, but output it via a headphone jack that you then have to patch into your soundcard. Doesn't look like you need that, though.

[22:19:52]

Scopeuk:

Dibblah it has an oboard according to the wiki

[22:19:58]

pillsburyDOEboi:

i have done that already

[22:20:27]

Dibblah:

Scopeuk: Err... That was what I implied above.

[22:20:38]

pillsburyDOEboi:

but i dont think my card needs that input

[22:20:39]

bmsleight:

I finally got my freecom USB stick to work. By changing the default tuning frequencies outside the ranges recommended by the myth documentation. (Add 167,000) Where is the best place to make of note of this hack for other to view ?

[22:20:42]

Dibblah:

Life is, once again, not more fun when you missbits.

[22:21:05]

Dibblah:

bmsleight: That's UK specific.

[22:21:06]

BULLE:

pillsburyDOEboi: so, arecord -l does show an saa713x based recording device ?

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bmsleight:

Dibblah: Yep

[22:21:21]

Dibblah:

bmsleight: And are you using 0.20?

[22:21:28]

bmsleight:

Yep

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Dibblah:

Hmmm. If you get your channels through the full scan, you'll get it automatically.

[22:22:35]

pillsburyDOEboi:

root@mythtv:~# arecord -l

[22:22:35]

pillsburyDOEboi:

**** List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices ****

[22:22:35]

pillsburyDOEboi:

card 0: rev50 [VIA 82C686A/B rev50], device 0: VIA 82C686A/B rev50 [VIA 82C686A/B rev50]

[22:22:35]

pillsburyDOEboi:

Subdevices: 0/1

[22:22:35]

pillsburyDOEboi:

Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

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pillsburyDOEboi:

root@mythtv:~#

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Dibblah:

If you specify a mplex, you'll have to do it manually.

[22:22:52]

Dibblah:

pillsburyDOEboi: Don't DO THAT.

[22:23:04]

Dibblah:

Paste to pastebin.

[22:23:09]

pillsburyDOEboi:

ok

[22:23:10]

Dibblah:

Then paste the link.

[22:23:14]

pillsburyDOEboi:

ok

[22:23:22]

BULLE:

pillsburyDOEboi: was that the complete output ?

[22:23:26]

BULLE:

yes it was

[22:23:31]

vAd0r:

does it matter what hardware i use to create my mythtv

[22:23:33]

BULLE:

then, your tv card isnt showing up

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BULLE:

it should be listed as an saa713x device, as per the nice wiki page

[22:23:53]

Dibblah:

vAd0r: As long as it works, no ;)

[22:23:58]

mkrufky:

saa7134-alsa does not autoload

[22:24:02]

pillsburyDOEboi:

i am watching tv fromit right now

[22:24:04]

vAd0r:

recommended memory?

[22:24:09]

pillsburyDOEboi:

just no sound

[22:24:33]

BULLE:

pillsburyDOEboi: yes, and that is because you havent managed to get alsa to see your card

[22:24:43]

mkrufky:

if you 'modprobe saa7134-alsa' do you get an entry for the card in /proc/asound/cards ?

[22:24:44]

BULLE:

pillsburyDOEboi: its nicely outlined in the wiki

[22:25:02]

pillsburyDOEboi:

i will pastebin link wait a sec

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** mkrufky shuts up, in favor of the wiki **

[22:25:07]

Dibblah:

vAd0r: 512Mb is plenty. 256 may be enough.

[22:25:20]

vAd0r:

is it ok to stick on trixbox or should i stear clear

[22:25:32]

BULLE:

vAd0r: if all it should run is mythtv, and you use a streamlined install, and x setup, 256mb will be fine for most users

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** BULLE has no idea what trixbox is **

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vAd0r:

lol it is a free voip phonesystem

[22:25:59]

Dibblah:

Asterisk.

[22:26:00]

vAd0r:

pretty cool

[22:26:08]

Dibblah:

Should be fine.

[22:26:15]

vAd0r:

so just stick tv tuner in

[22:26:21]

pillsburyDOEboi:

http://pastebin.com/851348

[22:26:22]

vAd0r:

and run the install and that is it?

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Dibblah:

... Assuming you can get the prereqs worked out (QT, X11, ...)

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Dibblah:

Drivers for your audio card, video card, capture card...

[22:27:05]

mkrufky:

yikes

[22:27:21]

BULLE:

pillsburyDOEboi: nice!

[22:27:22]

vAd0r:

any recommended flavor of linux?

[22:27:30]

BULLE:

vAd0r: whatever you know and like

[22:27:47]

pillsburyDOEboi:

nice= what ?

[22:27:54]

Lorian:

Newbies shoulf probably go for Ubuntu

[22:27:55]

BULLE:

vAd0r: you might want mythtv packages to be available for it though, perhaps

[22:28:20]

mkrufky:

pillsburyDOEboi: when he said 'nice' he really didnt mean 'nice' at all

[22:28:22]

BULLE:

vAd0r: fedora is dirt easy to setup, gentoo is a bit trickier, and some here prefer ubuntu, i think you will be fine with whatever one of those three

[22:28:26]

BULLE:

indeed

[22:28:30]

BULLE:

kernel oops isnt nice

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BULLE:

my bad

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vAd0r:

i haev fedora core 6

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vAd0r:

setup already

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BULLE:

vAd0r: so use it

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mkrufky:

pillsburyDOEboi: what kernel are you running? is it a distro-packaged kernel or did you build it yourself?

[22:28:53]

BULLE:

vAd0r: atrpms have prebuilt packages for mythtv

[22:28:57]

vAd0r:

does it matter if i use usb tv tuner?

[22:29:01]

pillsburyDOEboi:

i downloaded rc5 iso from knoppmyth page

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vAd0r:

or will that make the video crappy

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BULLE:

vAd0r: dunno to be honest

[22:29:25]

BULLE:

vAd0r: is it supported in linux ?

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mkrufky:

well, there is a bug in that kernel, pillsburyDOEboi... and you just hit it

[22:29:27]

Dibblah:

vAd0r: It's fine as long as it's linux supported and USB2, generally.

[22:29:30]

Lorian:

Is it just an antenna on a little USB stick?

[22:29:46]

pillsburyDOEboi:

kill

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vAd0r:

so what is the recommended tv tuner i mean some are likt 18 bux and some 100

[22:29:57]

pillsburyDOEboi:

i think i just killed the backend

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mkrufky:

you killed the entire kernel, let alone the backend

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GreyFoxx:

vAd0r: For basic analog cable the pvr150 or 500 are recommended

[22:30:39]

pillsburyDOEboi:

fixable ? i dont want to reinstall for 6th time

[22:30:44]

GreyFoxx:

vAd0r: they do all encoding in hardwre so it takes no cpu to record and their produce a good picture

[22:30:51]

Dibblah:

vAd0r: For USB, that's difficult to answer, since manufacturers have this annoying habit of changing the actual hardware without changing the model number.

[22:30:59]

GreyFoxx:

they are pci tuners though

[22:31:11]

Dibblah:

Things like the Plextor ConvertX are good for analog.

[22:31:29]

mkrufky:

pillsburyDOEboi: reboot is required after a kernel OOPS, and thats what just happened to you

[22:32:12]

Dibblah:

"highly recommen

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pillsburyDOEboi:

ok

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Dibblah:

ded", I would say, not required :)

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Dibblah:

However, you have no idea what's just been walked all over.

[22:33:01]

pillsburyDOEboi:

do u guys think i will be able to get sound out of it.

[22:33:16]

Dibblah:

It's listed as supported on the All Knowing Wiki.

[22:33:20]

mkrufky:

if i knew what kernel you were running, i might be able to tell you why it happened

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Dibblah:

So... Possibly :)

[22:33:39]

vAd0r:

So you are saying get the pvr150 or 500

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mkrufky:

pillsburyDOEboi: uname -r

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vAd0r:

will they record hd

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GreyFoxx:

vAd0r: No

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pillsburyDOEboi:

2.86 booting ?

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GreyFoxx:

standard definition cable only

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vAd0r:

can i view my existing avi files w/ mytv

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GreyFoxx:

vAd0r: yup with mythvideo

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vAd0r:

like say share them and watch them like i do w/ xbmc

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pillsburyDOEboi:

ok it is back on now

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vAd0r:

what does the streaming quality look like

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pillsburyDOEboi:

plz help me with this i really want to get this working

[22:36:06]

hate29:

Hi, I've tried about 3 times to install mythtv and it doesn't still work. So, I'm asking now is there a better software to watch/record tv or should I still continue trying to install mythtv?

[22:36:15]

mkrufky:

pillsburyDOEboi: uname -r

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Lorian:

hate29: Maybe you could be more specific, what is the problem?

[22:37:08]

pillsburyDOEboi:

2.6.18-chw-13

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vAd0r:

Does anyone know a good program to take my 400 meg avi and shrink it

[22:38:25]

Dibblah:

mkrufky: That's Knoppmyth.

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Lorian:

mencoder

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mkrufky:

wierd...

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mkrufky:

pillsburyDOEboi: this bug has not been reported for 2.6.18.y .... knoppmyth must have shcnged something

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mkrufky:

if i were you, i would install new v4l-dvb drivers from linuxtv.org

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pillsburyDOEboi:

do u think i should try to install older version of knoppmyth

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pillsburyDOEboi:

i am copy paste type of linux person, i dont have that kind of knowledge to install drivers/kernels on linux,

[22:41:32]

pillsburyDOEboi:

how would i get the new drivers for v4l

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mkrufky:

but i dont know if your kernel is compatable

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mkrufky:

we only work on backwards compatability with vanilla kernels

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mkrufky:

pillsburyDOEboi: http://linuxtv.org/repo for a howto

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pillsburyDOEboi:

i really like this mythtv interface

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mkrufky:

you need to first have your linux headers installed

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DVBMark:

Just a question concerning stability. Myth would be fine with an ext3 partition for the os and binaries, and all recording directories being jfs wouldn't it? I assume so just for a fresh setup if that would be the best

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mkrufky:

apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`

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Dibblah:

DVBMark: XFS has been recommended previously and is in quite heavy use.

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GreyFoxx:

for the recording storage at least

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hate29:

Lorian: I don't completely understand the howto of mythtv.org. I'm installing to debian ethc.

[22:43:39]

DVBMark:

right

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DVBMark:

cuz that is why you want jfs or xfs is the handling of the large files

[22:43:57]

Dibblah:

After the silent-directory-corruption followed by the inability-to-fsck-large-filesystems-on-x86, I'd prefer not to recommend it, however ;)

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DVBMark:

the os and myth itself shouldn't care I wouldn't think

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Lorian:

If there is a Debian wiki there will probably be detailed instructions on that

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DVBMark:

that's why I wanted to run ext3 for the / partition

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DVBMark:

heh

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dave84:

I am trying to install Myth onto a standalone Ubuntu computer. Following the instructions from Ubuntu exactly alls fine until Myth-database returned "E: mythtv-database: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" any help would be great.

[22:44:35]

MC773:

hello

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DVBMark:

plus if for that unknown reason of a power outage I figured the / partition would survive better heh

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Dibblah:

dave84: Where's the instructions you're using?

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MC773:

MainServer: HandleRemoteEncoder(cmd GET_STATE) Unknown encoder: 2, exiting

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pillsburyDOEboi:

http://pastebin.com/851361

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dave84:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Edgy

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mkrufky:

pillsburyDOEboi: great — that was the pre-requisite

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MC773 is now known as r3m0t

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r3m0t:

MainServer: HandleRemoteEncoder(cmd GET_STATE) Unknown encoder: 2, exiting

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pillsburyDOEboi:

how do i download the new drivers into my box

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mkrufky:

pillsburyDOEboi: you'll also need mercurial, to download the source for the new drivers ..... then just follow the directions in the link i gave you for v4l-dvb

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r3m0t:

this message kills my backend

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pillsburyDOEboi:

ok

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bmsleight:

does the same CPU requirements apply for USB DVD as per Hardware MPEG-2 encoders?

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mkrufky:

pillsburyDOEboi: you'll know you did the right thing when you can modprobe saa7134-alsa without getting an oops

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BULLE:

usb dvd ?

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Dibblah:

r3m0t: For some reason, your master backend and slave backend disagree about the cards they have installed.

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r3m0t:

Di

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mkrufky:

i think he meant DVB USB

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pillsburyDOEboi:

ok

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pillsburyDOEboi:

i will be here and give u an update

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r3m0t:

whoops. Dibblah, how can I remove the frontend config about the cards? (it's a combined front+back system)

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Dibblah:

r3m0t: Are they both pointed at the same database?

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r3m0t:

yes

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Dibblah:

I don't see how that can happen :)

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r3m0t:

*-)

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Dibblah:

Remove all the cards from mythtv-setup, then readd.

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Defend is now known as defend

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r3m0t:

mythtv-setup can't connect to the database – it's changed the passwod on store to somje random letters

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bmsleight:

oops yes usb dv_b_ sorry

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defend:

hey all question when i am trying ot setup my hd stuff and when i watch a channel sometimes it is getting this error in myth logs and killing the back end any ideas? RingBuf(/home/MythTV/TV/2120_20070104174834.mpg) Error: Invalid file descriptor in 'safe_read()'

[22:50:46]

Dibblah:

r3m0t: Myth doesn't change any mysql passwords.

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r3m0t:

Dibblah: it's trying to connect to the database with the wrong password

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Dibblah:

As the user you're running the frontend as, run mythtv-setup.

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mkrufky:

pillsburyDOEboi: i wont be here anymore by the time you're ready .... you might have better luck getting help in #v4l

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pillsburyDOEboi:

thank alot mkrufky

[22:51:57]

mkrufky:

pillsburyDOEboi: and once you go to #v4l, just ask your whole question, even if nobody responds

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mkrufky:

i'll show up there again in a few hours

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r3m0t:

Dibblah: whoops. I'm in now. do I go to "2. capture cards", remove all and re-add them?

[22:52:17]

pillsburyDOEboi:

kewl thanks

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cesman:

mkrufky: how goes it?

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cesman:

long time no see

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mkrufky:

cesman: hello

[22:52:44]

mkrufky:

yeah, its been a while

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Dibblah:

r3m0t: Yup.

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r3m0t:

fun fun. OK, I['ll add them back

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r3m0t:

done

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dave84:

Any idea what I can do to fix this problem? E: mythtv-database: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1

[22:58:01]

r3m0t:

now it's complaining about encoder 1 instead of encoder 2

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mkrufky:

ok , time for me to go home

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mkrufky:

c u all l8r

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dave84:

Dibblah: Any ideas?

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r3m0t:

fixed, thanks

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dave84:

The message returned when i tried to force reconfigure was Failed to connect to database: Access denied for user 'david'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at -e line 5, <> line 1.

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kormoc:

might want to use the right password

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dave84:

Where would it find a password. I haven't been asked for one yet.

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dave84:

Is there a default I should use?

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kormoc:

when you created the mysql user 'david', you needed to give a password

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kormoc:

dave84, mysql users are not the same as system users

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wireddd:

Would be interested in having context sesitive mapping for the remote control buttons instead of just mapping them to keyboard key presses?

[23:19:07]

wireddd:

Would anyone

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dave84:

No it set up Mysql and Myth in the same porcess

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kormoc:

wireddd, sure, I'd be interested in that, have patches?

[23:19:43]

kormoc:

dave84, guess you should figure out what it did

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dave84:

I had no setup of Mysql at all

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kormoc:

then I guess you should

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wireddd:

kormoc, not yet, but I am looking for a way I could contribute.

[23:22:21]

dave84:

The setup guide says after Synaptics install of Mysql and Myth – Behind the scenes, a mythtv user will be created in PAM as well as mysql. The database will be installed into mysql and the initial configuration performed.

[23:23:51]

dave84:

From here I just followed the instructions but during the installation the process stopped with errors with mythdatabase

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r3m0t:

argh. how can I rebind all these functions? whenever I try to change something to match my remote, it says "conflicts with BLA"... then I try to change BLA to something useful and it says "conflicts with BLEH"... ad infinitum

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dave84:

Maybe I should just go and mow the lawn.

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Inssomniak:

ya almost could its warm enuff

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dave84:

I'll come back later and annoy some more. See ya

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defend:

hey all question when i am trying ot setup my hd stuff and when i watch a channel sometimes it is getting this error in myth logs and killing the back end any ideas? RingBuf(/home/MythTV/TV/2120_20070104174834.mpg) Error: Invalid file descriptor in 'safe_read()'

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darkdrgn2k:

hello every body

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linxeh:

hi

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darkdrgn2k:

how goes it

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linxeh:

good :)

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linxeh:

thinking about setting up a mythtv system properly (only dabbled before). just wondering if its possible to have 2 frontends watching the same broadcast channel on 1 tuner ?

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cesman:

pillsburyDOEboi: still around?

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cesman:

if so, please join me in #knoppmyth

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defend:

linxeh: yes u can

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linxeh:

defend: even with just 1 tuner?

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defend:

as long as it is the same channel yes

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defend:

or you could get a dual tunner card

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Inssomniak:

what is the recommended nvidia driver version to use?

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defend:

then you can do 2 channels

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linxeh:

if its the same multiplex, but a different channel is that possible?

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defend:

it it is a dual tunner car

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defend:

d

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defend:

like pvr-500

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linxeh:

some cards let you access everything in the same multiplex though no ?

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pillsburyDOEboi:

http://cgi.ebay.com/MythTV-Digital-Video-Soft . . . cmdZViewItem

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