Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, January 3rd, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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s0be:

Is it possible to setup a tuner card so that it doesn't use a disk buffer? I'm that feature away from being able to get rid of an archaic A/V switch

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toad_:

using an old version of the ATI drivers may be a security risk, for example

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GreyFoxx:

You pass it a image of X x Y and tell it to display it at a set of coordinates with a size of X1 x Y1

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GreyFoxx:

and the scaling is done in hardwre

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kormoc:

toad_, from what? the network jack that you plug into your videocard?

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kormoc:

toad_, really, it's not /that/ much of a risk

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toad_:

well, there _was_ a hole in the driver a while ago

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toad_:

brb, trying 720x576 resolution...

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kormoc:

sure, local users going to root

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kormoc:

but the trick was, they had to be local in the first place

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toad_:

hmmm

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** toad_ restarted with 720x576, same result **

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toad_:

blank screen when do watch tv, and it complains about not being able to decode to 720x576

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GreyFoxx:

what resolution is the recording

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toad_:

and says it will drop frames – so in theory it should show *something*

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toad_:

this is "Watch TV"

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** toad_ should try with a recording... where does it look for files? **

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kgbudz:

how do i change the 30/5 second seek time

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kgbudz:

i cant seem to find it in the setup

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kgbudz:

on tv playback

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kormoc:

toad_, the location that is set in the database

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toad_:

i mean videos, not recordings

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toad_:

external files

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GreyFoxx:

you';d have to check the Video Setup settings

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toad_:

where are all these settings kept?

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kormoc:

in the frontend setup

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GreyFoxx:

stored in the sql atabase in the settings table

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GreyFoxx:

accessed via the frontend under setup

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kgbudz:

anyone know where i cant change the tv playback seek times?

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kormoc:

kgbudz, no, we don't know, else we would have answered. You could just look around...

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kgbudz:

ya, i tried

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kgbudz:

im thinking they are hardcoded

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kgbudz:

30 seconds forward, 5 seconds back

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GreyFoxx:

It's configurable

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GreyFoxx:

Those are the defaults

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kgbudz:

do you know where i can change?

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GreyFoxx:

Not without searching through the frontend settings menus which you can do on your own :)

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toad_:

hmmmmm

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toad_:

what are the default keyboard shortcuts for switching channels?

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toad_:

:)

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plasmid:

does mythconverg get created automatically or do I have to create this db like this: mysqladmin -p -u root create mythconverg

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GreyFoxx:

pplas: You create the blank db, myth will make the tables

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GreyFoxx:

kgbudz: I'm looking for it now, I can;t find it either but I see the db entries

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plasmid:

do I run mythtvsetup as root or user?

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GreyFoxx:

Ok, it's in playbackgrounds

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GreyFoxx:

playbackgroups

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GreyFoxx:

default, first page

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squish102:

most of the websites talk about myth recording in a .nuv format.. mine all look like .mpg?

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kgbudz:

cool

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kgbudz:

thanks dude

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toad_:

hmmm

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** toad_ tries a dvd... **

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GreyFoxx:

squish102: That's only if you use a software framegrabber or transcode a mpg into a nuv

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kgbudz:

i totally just pimped out my myth

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GreyFoxx:

all files use to be named .nuv, but that was awhile ago

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kgbudz:

like i never had a remote control, so i just hooked up my touch screen pda

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squish102:

thanks GreyFoxx, so now it is a standard mpg?

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kgbudz:

with a small web app

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squish102:

so i could transcode it with a windows app?

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GreyFoxx:

squid: If you are recording from advb or a pvr card it was always a mpg, it was just named .nuv

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GreyFoxx:

but if it's a software framegrabber card then it was an mpeg4 or rtjpeg .nuv file

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GreyFoxx:

squid: I'd be suprised if most windows apps could read it

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GreyFoxx:

but certainly try

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squish102:

my windows machines are more powerful with more memory, and ffmpeg natively runs faster under windows than linux

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iresprite:

hey, all-- I'm trying to compile a svn build from .20-fixes, and I was curious-- does it matter much whether I try to optimize for my processor if I only have an AMD Duron 2400?

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GreyFoxx:

iresprite: I don't find it makes much of a different specifiying my processor

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DarkDrgn2k:

THe "SIGNAL" at the bottom of the screen. is it accurate?

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GreyFoxx:

but then the configure script usually autodetects it right

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GreyFoxx:

DarkDrgn2k: It's as accurate as your drive/hardwre is

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DarkDrgn2k:

ok.. well whats this erro msgs i see on my backend "previewer file "/tmp/storage/xxxxx.mpg" is notvalid

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GreyFoxx:

no idea

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DarkDrgn2k:

wuat is PMT?

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GreyFoxx:

Can;t remember offhand, one of the many tables of info constantly spewing over DVB

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DarkDrgn2k:

ok..

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DarkDrgn2k:

cause i cant get an image in myth..

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DarkDrgn2k:

i get "error: Wrong PMT; pmt->pmt(363) desired(620)

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DarkDrgn2k:

fine "finished recording unkoiwn channel: 3338"

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DarkDrgn2k:

un finally

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iresprite:

Greyfoxx: thanks!

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toad_:

it still doesn't work...

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toad_:

DVDs do work, but I am unable to move between options

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toad_:

at least with the keyboard

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toad_:

(the mouse doesn't seem to work in DVDs either)

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kormoc:

what player are you using to play them?

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toad_:

anyway my main concern: Watch TV doesn't work

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toad_:

the integrated one?

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kormoc:

mplayer? xine? internal?

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toad_:

is there more than one?

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toad_:

internal

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toad_:

it says Internal in settings

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kormoc:

do you have a window manager?

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toad_:

no

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kormoc:

it's likely a focus issue then

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kormoc:

without a window manager, the focus doesn't follow to the top window

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toad_:

ok

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toad_:

recommendation for a simple unobtrusive window manager?

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toad_:

which doesn't require you to manually place windows?

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kormoc:

LWM is what I use, evilwm is quite popular

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toad_:

ok

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** toad_ tries that (one thing at a time...) **

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toad_:

dvd playback works like it did already ...

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toad_:

enter works but there are no keys that i can locate to move between menu items

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toad_:

what are the defaults? up/down? left/right?

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toad_:

anyway "Watch TV" still doesn't work and that's my main worry

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toad_:

just produces a blank screen

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toad_:

might be that the channel in question is blank ...

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kormoc:

arrow keys move the dvd menu selection

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Den_:

its work over here, but my sound comes later

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toad_:

i tried pushing some keys ...

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toad_:

hmmm

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toad_:

what keys switch between channels?

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Den_:

cursor keys

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Den_:

and enter

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Den_:

after that

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toad_:

it should tell you what it's switching to before you press enter though right?

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kormoc:

yes

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toad_:

hmmm

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toad_:

sort of works now

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toad_:

though it includes a lot of channels that it can't lock onto

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toad_:

and it seems rather sticky

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toad_:

hmmm

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kormoc:

if you mean the channel change is slow, that's typical

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toad_:

no i mean loads and loads of channels are in the list but can't be acquired

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kormoc:

well, that's to be expected

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toad_:

ok

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kormoc:

you need to pick which ones you have

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toad_:

including stuff like ITV3 which we really ought to have

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toad_:

it does seem sticky though...

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toad_:

yeah, definitely having problems decoding at speed

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toad_:

except that CPU shows 80% idle ...!

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** toad_ has no idea what is going on then ... **

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toad_:

poor signal?

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toad_:

hmmm

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toad_:

it was working, now it's back to nothing

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toad_:

using 20% of cpu to show nothing

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toad_:

even when it was working it was extremely sticky (low frame rate) though..

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toad_:

i did earlier capture a few seconds of perfect video using dvbstream, so i don't think our signal is _that_ bad

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toad_:

any pointers?

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toad_:

DVD plays perfectly in ~ 30% of CPU

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toad_:

apart from not being able to select menu items :)

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toad_:

so why doesn't live TV work?

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rogue780:

when I use ivtvctl -y volume=n does that only adjust one tuner, or all ivtv tuners?

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rogue780:

toad_, what be the problem

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Jaak:

i can't find any documentation on how to get sound from a analoge tvtuner

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Jaak:

nvm

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Agrajag-:

you haven't looked very hard then.. short version – plug audio out to line in, set that line in to capture, mute it.

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rogue780:

when I use ivtvctl -y volume=n does that only adjust one tuner, or all ivtv tuners?

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kormoc:

rogue780, you could try it and find out

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rogue780:

kormoc, I've tried it, but I can't tell for sure

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kormoc:

rogue780, set it to zero, and see if any of them have sound or not

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rogue780:

kormoc, good call, thanks

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rogue780:

can someone recommend to me an sdtv tuner card with the best picture quality?

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kormoc:

pvr 150 is one of the better ones

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scott_:

rogue780: i'm very satisfied with the pvr150 picture quality, works like a charm

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Jaak:

how come if i play analogue tv on a diffrent frontend i get gaps in the stream, but when i play dvb it works great, the analogue works when playing it on the backend tho....

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toad_:

hmmm

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** toad_ having problems with live TV ... **

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toad_:

it sticks a lot

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toad_:

on closer inspection, the signal from mythtv is much wider (widescreen?) and goes slightly deeper on the bottom

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toad_:

so this suggests that it is indeed scaling the stream

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toad_:

which would account for poor performance especially in the absence of xv

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toad_:

maybe it's assuming a widescreen output?

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kormoc:

which again points to what you've been told is likely going to help, pick a driver that works or pick a card with good drivers

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rogue780:

what is the difference between a VBR or CBR bitrate_mode? I know CBR is AC97 audio and VBR is something called "Vorbis", but what is the difference, and is there any benefit to using one vice the other?

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kormoc:

rogue780, no, that's quite different

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GreyFoxx:

roger55: No

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GreyFoxx:

CBR = Constant BitRate

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GreyFoxx:

VBR = VAriable Bitrate

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kormoc:

rogue780, wikipedia explains it quite well

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GreyFoxx:

CBR means it uses exaclty the same a out of data at all times, vbr varies depending on the content

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rogue780:

kormoc, thanks

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rogue780:

GreyFoxx, so with VBR, it can end up saving disk space?

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kormoc:

or use more

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GreyFoxx:

right, or use more

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rogue780:

sweet, thanks

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GreyFoxx:

CBR means you can predict it, VBR is well...vriable :)

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rogue780:

thanks, ya'll've been quite helpful

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jd86:

:( seems like my mythtv hasn't been transcoding

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toad_:

kormoc: where do i get the driver from?

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kormoc:

toad_, ATI has old versions on their website

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toad_:

kormoc: the box does run other services too

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toad_:

so security is some concern

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toad_:

however they don't have access to startx

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rogue780:

I'm using ubuntu for my backend and frontend, and whenever I try to vnc into my backend it locks up the entire backend...any ideas how I can troubleshoot this?

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cureless:

rogue780: do you lock up when you connect or when you run the vnc server?

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rogue780:

cureless, when I connect

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rogue780:

I can't even SSH in to reboot after it locks up

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magicrobotmonkey:

hey i fubared my sound

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warthog9:

magicrobotmonkey- what do you mean?

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magicrobotmonkey:

i dont get sound on livtv/new recordings any more though old recordings still work

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magicrobotmonkey:

i *think* it started when i started tvtime while mythtv was running to try to finetune a channel

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magicrobotmonkey:

but im not sure

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warthog9:

magicrobotmonkey- hmmmm at least I'm not the only one, though I don't get anything from any recordings or mythmusic but I get sound from movies using ac3 for sound :-/

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magicrobotmonkey:

yea mine was all working fine and now it seems im just not getting the sound from my capture card, as all other sound works fine

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warthog9:

magicrobotmonkey- checked that your recording from the right dsp?

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kormoc:

magicrobotmonkey, you could try rebooting

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magicrobotmonkey:

kormoc: tried several times

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rogue780:

magicrobotmonkey, what type of tuner do you use>

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kormoc:

you can try redoing the setups to setup the recording channel

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rogue780:

?

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magicrobotmonkey:

warthog9: yea if i do aplay /dev/dsp1 when its running i hear the sound, and thats what i have it to record from

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warthog9:

hmmmmm

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magicrobotmonkey:

its an old happauge i just use v4l

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magicrobotmonkey:

i removed all setting and started from scratch and still nothing

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magicrobotmonkey:

i can still get sound in tvtime, but only by running a line from audio out on the tuner card to the mic jack on the sound card and unmuting mic

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toad_:

kormoc: the other option would be to tell it to clip the video to match the resolution, as the cable decoder apparently does

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toad_:

which should work well enough given that most uk tv signals go out on the assumption that some will view them as widescreen and some won't

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toad_:

i dunno whether older versions of the driver would even work with 7.1

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kormoc:

some of them do

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kormoc:

you could also see if there's a newer version then the one you are using

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kormoc:

perhaps they fixed it

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toad_:

there isn't :<

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magicrobotmonkey:

hmm i just noticed i dont get sound for old recordings on my backend either but i do on a frontend on a different machine

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magicrobotmonkey:

myth isnt getting along with my sound at all evidently

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kgbudz:

sometimes the window manager locks /dev/dsp

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kgbudz:

then myth cant access it

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magicrobotmonkey:

mmm how to avoid that with xfce?

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kgbudz:

well, you need to find the actual problem

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kgbudz:

does sound work on the system

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magicrobotmonkey:

yea for everything but myth

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kgbudz:

cat a file into /dev/dsp and see if you hear noise

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magicrobotmonkey:

i only have /dev/dsp1 and /dev/dsp2

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kgbudz:

that might be your prob

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kgbudz:

go into the front end

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kgbudz:

and make sure its using the correct dsp

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kgbudz:

seems like you have 2 sound cards

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kgbudz:

cat a file into both to see which is the one you want to use

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magicrobotmonkey:

1 is the sound card and 1 is the tuner card

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magicrobotmonkey:

i get permission denied

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kgbudz:

there is your problem

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magicrobotmonkey:

im doing yes | /dev/dsp

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kgbudz:

if you cant write to it

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kgbudz:

either can myth

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magicrobotmonkey:

oh wait

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kgbudz:

assuming conditions are the same for both

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magicrobotmonkey:

ok

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magicrobotmonkey:

yes > /dev/dsp2 makes a nice whine

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magicrobotmonkey:

so i think that means thats my soundcard, right?

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magicrobotmonkey:

but yes > /dev/dsp gives invalid argument

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kgbudz:

ya

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magicrobotmonkey:

er yues >/dev/dsp1

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kgbudz:

so set myth to use dsp2

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magicrobotmonkey:

the frontend, not the capture?

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kgbudz:

right, frontend

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kgbudz:

what capture card do you have?

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magicrobotmonkey:

k that fixed the sound on old recordings

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magicrobotmonkey:

its an old bt878 or whatever

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magicrobotmonkey:

i use the v4l card type

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magicrobotmonkey:

and that was working

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magicrobotmonkey:

with /dev/dsp1 as the audio in

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kgbudz:

ya

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kgbudz:

cool

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toad_:

is it possible to tell mythtv to clip the signal?

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magicrobotmonkey:

but i current have no sound on that stuff

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kgbudz:

on your bttv recordings?

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kgbudz:

last time i used bttv (3 years ago), i remember i had to route audio from the tuner to my mic jack

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kgbudz:

it was kind of a mess

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kgbudz:

then i switched to pvr

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kgbudz:

which pulls audio with video

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toad_:

oh

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toad_:

now i remember

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toad_:

the security hole was in the _nvidia_ driver

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kgbudz:

im outz

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toad_:

well lets see if the old version works anyway...

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joeyjoejo:

is there any difference between the 7.x 8.x and 9.x ivtv drivers other than what kernel they work on?

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magicrobotmonkey:

oh lordie, i think i got it

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magicrobotmonkey:

swete

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magicrobotmonkey:

thanks for the help, kgbudz

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magicrobotmonkey:

now, has anyone ever had to finetune a channel?

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toad_:

grrrrrrrrrrr

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toad_:

installing an old version of the ati driver is far less easy than it sounds

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toad_:

i'll probably have to build a custom kernel at this rate; not that that's a big deal but i had hoped for some stability on this box...

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pat_:

can anybody tell me if the softpad branch has been incorporated in the main mythtv svn?

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xris:

pat_: no, it's illegal (and please don't talk/ask about it here)

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xris:

wait, maybe I"m thinking of something else.

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pat_:

I think so

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pat_:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/softpad

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kormoc:

so what's softpad?

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kormoc:

cause last I knew it was a software decrypter, but obviously it's something else here

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pat_:

it can make the scheduler honour a "softpad" before and after a show to make more efficient use of tuner cards

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pat_:

ie, two shows consecutive, it can be set to use two tuners to honour a pre roll adn a post roll,

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xris:

pat_: I'm guessing if the branch is still in svn, it hasn't been merged back.

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pat_:

good for people in .au where the tv stations don't start or finish on time usually

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xris:

pat_: yeah, for a lot of people... I'm sure it'll eventually go into trunk

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pat_:

in the meantime I'll live with my homebrew set of patched binaries that crash occasionally, and the automatic restart scripts...

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defaultro:

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sandeen:

so here's a silly question... if some networks broadcast 720p and others 1080i... hwo does that map to the fact that my TV has only a fixed set of pixels and my X screen only one (active) resolution...?

[03:06:17]

kgbudz:

what you mean

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sandeen:

i'm trying to sort out where all the scaling happens I guess

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kgbudz:

there are ways to take a 720p and shrink it

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sandeen:

my tv has 1366x768 physical pixels on it

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kgbudz:

1080i is interlaced, its no good

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opello:

sandeen: what kind of monitor though?

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kgbudz:

right, thats 720p

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sandeen:

yet it advertises 1920x1080i or somesuch

[03:07:01]

sandeen:

opello, LCD

[03:07:06]

sandeen:

HDTV

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opello:

heh, so your lcd is 1920x1080?

[03:07:20]

sandeen:

kgbudz, but some HDTV signals are actually -in- 1080i right

[03:07:21]

kgbudz:

well, 1080i is interlaced, it does 2 540 images

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kgbudz:

for 1 frame

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kgbudz:

right

[03:07:38]

kgbudz:

720p and 1080i are almost the same

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sandeen:

opello, no, it is actually 1366x768. but via EDID it says "1920x1080i"

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kgbudz:

except motion is smoother in 720p

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opello:

sandeen: but it doesn't matter, you want pixels

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kgbudz:

there is however 1080p

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GreyFoxx:

sandeen: scaling happens in two places

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kgbudz:

which is way better than 1080i

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sandeen:

kgbudz, yeah I don't ahve 1080p :)

[03:08:22]

kgbudz:

like 1080i also causes flicker

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GreyFoxx:

1 is scaled to the X resolution, 2 is your tv scaling it to the physical pixel size

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opello:

so you have 760p, 1080i

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kgbudz:

when converting a progressive video to interlaced

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sandeen:

GreyFoxx, i'm with you so far :)

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kgbudz:

im thinking 1080i will be phased out soon

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kgbudz:

especially since 1080p has arrived

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GreyFoxx:

sandeen: If you match your X resolution to the physical res then that;s 1 less scaling step

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jusk1:

woo

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GreyFoxx:

most people find scaling on your video card to be a better image than that done by your TV

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sandeen:

GreyFoxx, ok that's what I was driving at

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sandeen:

make the mythbox do the scaling, or make the TV do it

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GreyFoxx:

I'd say go with letting your video card do it

[03:10:22]

kgbudz:

do you have 1080i or 720p?

[03:10:28]

kgbudz:

or both

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sandeen:

but what's odd is that my TV doesn't even advertise its native res

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GreyFoxx:

sandeen: They neve rdo

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sandeen:

kgbudz, 720p, 768 actual physical pixels

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GreyFoxx:

it would confuse users

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sandeen:

GreyFoxx, why is that?

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kgbudz:

no, its a mode

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GreyFoxx:

cause they tell you what they can handle, not what they are

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sandeen:

well I don't mean advertise in the catalog

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GreyFoxx:

It's marketing smoke and mirrors

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sandeen:

I mean via EDID.

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kgbudz:

basically, is your hdtv interlaced or progessive

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sandeen:

kgbudz, it is progressive

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kgbudz:

good

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kgbudz:

:)

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sandeen:

GreyFoxx, like this:http://sandeen.net/32HLC56/edid.txt

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GreyFoxx:

your set is capable of accepting a 1920x1080 image so they advertise that, they don't tell you it's scaled down to be displayed

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sandeen:

that's the advertising i'm talking about...

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sandeen:

i don't mean marketing :)

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GreyFoxx:

It's both

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kgbudz:

even if you have 1080 horizontal lines

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kgbudz:

the tv can only do 540 per frame

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kgbudz:

there is some math

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kgbudz:

and its equivilent to 720 at once

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kgbudz:

which is how they came up with 1080 and 720

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GreyFoxx:

It's much cheaper and easier to scale the image down than to display it full res. So they design them to accept the signal, and they adverstse that

[03:13:24]

sandeen:

ok but what I mean is that my tv does not tell any other device, via HDMI that it can even display 1366x768... so it -forces- the scaling I guess?

[03:14:04]

sandeen:

well, ok. so anyway, I guess I should try to find a 1366x768 mode that it'll accept eh

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GreyFoxx:

Most users never have any idea what it does or doesn't tell other hardware , :)

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sandeen:

GreyFoxx, ugh ok :) but I'm not -talking- about users :)

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GreyFoxx:

sandeen: Make your own modeline for the native res, and ignore EDID

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sandeen:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

sandeen: You are missing my point

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** iresprite flees from the idea of making MythTV run for HDTV. **

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kgbudz:

how are you outputting to your hdtv?

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GreyFoxx:

they don't TELL anyone cause users in their view don't need to know

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kgbudz:

dvi/hdmi?

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sandeen:

kgbudz, dvi->hdmi

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kgbudz:

cool

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sandeen:

GreyFoxx, but I'm talking about device interoperability at the hdmi level & protocol

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GreyFoxx:

So am I

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sandeen:

nothing a user ever actually sees (well, non-geek users)

[03:15:56]

sandeen:

GreyFoxx, so you mean the "cable box" user doesn't need to know. not the "guy sitting in front of the cable box" user?

[03:15:57]

GreyFoxx:

If they advertise to other hardware then it's more likely that users will find out they have been duped

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iresprite:

Hm. Aside from the kde development package (I'm assuming that's just kdebase-dev or something) I don't need anything else from KDE, correct?

[03:16:17]

sandeen:

*shrug* well it says what the native res is in the -manual-, it doesn't hide that

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GreyFoxx:

sandeen: Noone reads the manual beyond plugging in the cables :)

[03:16:35]

sandeen:

heh

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kormoc:

iresprite, you don't need kde at all if you don't use mythbrowser

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kgbudz:

i like to think of 1080i like intel's old way of pumping up the ghzs without actually increasing performance

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sandeen:

i'm just saying if it's printed in the manual, I don't think that putting it into EDID would give much extra away :)

[03:17:19]

sandeen:

well. the short answer seems to be, get x running at native res and be happy

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iresprite:

kormoc: true. it seems like an integral part of the myth experience, though. :) Granted... I pretty much never use it. Hm.

[03:17:26]

GreyFoxx:

Marketing/business droids are rarely logical

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tgnb:

hey there, i'm trying to setup mythweb but i get the following message when trying to access the site in my browser

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kgbudz:

sandeen, do you have a dvi cable or hdmi

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kgbudz:

im about to hook up my hdtv

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sandeen:

... and now I have X deciding that the EDID modes are invalid, whee

[03:17:58]

kgbudz:

probably next week

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GreyFoxx:

iresprite: I've been running myth since long before there was a mythbrowser, and so far I've not once installed it :)

[03:18:06]

sandeen:

kgbudz, dvi on one end, hdmi on the other

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tgnb:

Error: Unable to connect to the master backend at 127.0.0.1:6543. Is it running?

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GreyFoxx:

I don't know anyone who uses it :)

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kgbudz:

what type of cable you using

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iresprite:

Heh.

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sandeen:

kgbudz, got it from buy.com, from tripp-lite

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sandeen:

not very expensive

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toad_:

tgnb: check the logs

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sandeen:

10ft IIRC

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tgnb:

The problem is .. the backedn is on a different server.. how do i tell mythweb to connect to the backend on another machine?

[03:18:43]

sandeen:

kgbudz, gold ends *shrug* :)

[03:18:48]

kgbudz:

i need about 20ft

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toad_:

tgnb: in mythtv-setup ?

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kgbudz:

but i would like a nice thin cable

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GreyFoxx:

tgnb: It gets the IP from the databae

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sandeen:

kgbudz, for some reason my toshiba manual said to limit dvi->hdmi to 2m *shrug*

[03:19:15]

sandeen:

20ft is a somewhat long run I think

[03:19:22]

GreyFoxx:

so you must have your master bvackend value in mythtv-setup set to localhost/127.0.0.1

[03:19:26]

kgbudz:

maybe 15'

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GreyFoxx:

change it to the network IP of the box and it should start to work

[03:19:36]

kgbudz:

either that or get my frontend on my ps3

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** sandeen starts down the modeline path **

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iresprite:

Too bad I just did make install with all the plugins. Had I really thought this through I would have taken the browser out of the equation.

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tgnb:

toad.. mythtv backend and frontend are running on machine A.. the database and mythweb are running on machine B.. mythbackend is able to connect fine to the database on machine B and mythfrontend works fine too.. i have channel data etc.. but mythweb, is also located on machine B.. the Database is on machine B, but the mythbackend is on machine A.. the error is telling me mythweb is looking for the backend to be running on the same m

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tgnb:

achine .. B.. but its running on A.. i couldnt find where to tell mythweb to look for the backend on machine B instead

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jams:

tgnb- look in the htaccess file

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ShiftyPowers:

anyone around?

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GreyFoxx:

tgnb: run mythtv-setup on your backend/frontend

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kormoc:

ShiftyPowers, no

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GreyFoxx:

what is the master backend IP set to ?

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ShiftyPowers:

i lost the IR receiver for my hauppauge remote but I have a USB-UIRT

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ShiftyPowers:

can I still use it for mythtv control?

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Defend:

anyone know a place i can order a ir reciever for a logitech harmony preferably in us

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tgnb:

jams, i've looked there :) the only place that mentions the backend..has settings for db_server.. but the dbserver is the same as the mythweb server.. but not the same as the backend

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GreyFoxx:

what is the master backend IP set to ?

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GreyFoxx:

what is the master backend IP set to ?

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GreyFoxx:

what is the master backend IP set to ?

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tgnb:

Greyfox just a sec i was getting to you :) i can only answer one at a time

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GreyFoxx:

You mean you don't have it all commited to memory ???? *shock*

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GreyFoxx:

*jk* :)

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ShiftyPowers:

anyone?

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jams:

oh sorry i misread, thought you were not connecting to the db at all

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iresprite:

oh, this i funky.

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tgnb:

aha.. GreyFoxx i got it fixed :).. in mythtv-setup the backend was set to 127.0.0.1.. i changed it to the local ip and now it works

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iresprite:

mythtv-setup: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.20.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

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iresprite:

The library definitely exists in /usr/local/lib...

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iresprite:

do I need to add /usr/local/lib to something?

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iresprite:

I ran ldconfig...

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toad_:

rebooting brb

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iresprite:

any thoughts?

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DarkDrgn2k:

Hey every one

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DarkDrgn2k:

what does this mean:

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DarkDrgn2k:

2007-01–02 17:36:22.501 ERROR when trying to delete file: /GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/mythslave.bluebrick.local/3318_2007 0102142607.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed.

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Captain_Murdoch:

it means it couldn't find the file to delete it

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DarkDrgn2k:

ok doesnt seem like my DVB is grabic picture.. is there any way to tesat it outside of myth?

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sandeen:

kgbudz, http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=104 . . . 101&sp=1 is my HDMI cable FWIW

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periscope:

Hey, I got some good advice on here the other night, so I was hoping to get some more :^D

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periscope:

Are there any advantages to using Hauppauge's PVR 500, rather than the PVR 150 – besides the fact that the 500 has dual tuners?

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periscope:

I think for the price difference, I may get the 150 for now and worry about upgrading later

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Captain_Murdoch:

once you have one tuner, you'll wish you had 2.

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Defend:

i like my pvr500

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Captain_Murdoch:

once you can watch things on your own schedule, you find you don't have to give up X to watch Y just because they compete in the same timeslot.

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periscope:

Ok, but what about spec-wise... are they still the same chipset and everything?

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Defend:

and comerical skip :o

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periscope:

Yes, I am excited to try commercial skip!

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Defend:

it works pretty well

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Defend:

but ya i think 150 and 500 are similar

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Captain_Murdoch:

I believe so, but I'd wait for an answer frome someone who owns one or the other. I don't have any hauppauge cards that do hardware encoding right now.

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Defend:

they use the same driver

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xris:

Defend: 500 is essentially two 150s on the same card

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Captain_Murdoch:

the 500 is treated like two 150's

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periscope:

I can actually buy 2 150 cards at Newegg for less than the 500

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xris:

periscope: yup

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Defend:

yes i know i got one ;p i just didnt know much about the 150

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xris:

periscope: you pay slightly more to use fewer pci slots.

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periscope:

$55 :^D

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nvzn:

anyone know why i get a black screen and system lockup when i go into watch tv mode?

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iresprite:

The only downside to two tuners is paying the extra money for the second STB.

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periscope:

xris, everyone else, thanks

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xris:

nvzn: -v all

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iresprite:

... assuming you're using STB's.

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nvzn:

i do that

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xris:

iresprite: only if you use a stb

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xris:

nvzn: well what error does it show?

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nvzn:

xris: none

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periscope:

One other question, maybe someone can take a bite at, I actually have just posted this question at LinuxQuestions.org... http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/peripherals- . . . -7000-a.html

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periscope:

How come X-windows gives me trouble with GATOS TV-out on my Radeon 7000?

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xris:

periscope: spend the $30 and get yourself an nvidia 5200

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periscope:

The image for booting the bios and stuff is fine, but when X-windoes starts I can't see anything on the TV

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Defend:

whos going to build me a usb ir recieve it is still close enough to christmas ;p

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xris:

periscope: you will have no end of trouble with ATI + GATOS (or just ATI in general)

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** xris wonders what work he can do on mythweb tonight.... **

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periscope:

xris, I'm afraid you're right... I have found little to no help on the various sites I've visited. Just a warning that "Everyone with an ATI card experiences somewhat similar, yet different difficulties" as one site put it

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iresprite:

Yeah. It just doesn't seem worth the time, given how much time it takes to get mythtv working as a whole.

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xris:

periscope: ATI and Linux just don't get along, it's as simple as that.

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xris:

it can usually be made to work, but it's not worth the hassle.

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iresprite:

btw-- regarding my earlier issue: if I install mythtv in /usr/local (using ./configure --prefix=/usr/local), shouldn't mythtv-setup be able to detect the libraries in /usr/local?

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xris:

iresprite: yes. assuming you don't also have mythtv installed in /usr/

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iresprite:

hm. nothing there, no.

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xris:

iresprite: what's the error?

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iresprite:

mythtv-setup: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.20.so.0: cannot

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iresprite:

open shared object file: No such file or directory

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xris:

and the file exists where?

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iresprite:

it exists in /usr/local/lib/libmythtv-0.20.so.0 -> libmythtv-0.20.so.0.20.0

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iresprite:

all permissions indicate that it can be read.

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xris:

and the file it points to exists?

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iresprite:

yup: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 11568296 2007-01–02 22:23 /usr/local/lib/libmythtv-0.20.so.0.20.0

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iresprite:

The symlink doesn't have to have the absolute path, does it?

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xris:

no

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xris:

run ldconfig (as root)

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iresprite:

no options?

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Dr_willis:

Hi all.

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iresprite:

'cause I ran it earlier, and it doesn't seem to have affected it.

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iresprite:

I wish I could find ld.so.conf. Evidently ubuntu uses something else.

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Dr_willis:

iresprite, Hmm let me look on my ubuntu system

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xris:

iresprite: ls -d /etc/ld* ?

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Dr_willis:

/etc/ld.so.conf

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iresprite:

ld.so.cache ld.so.hwcappkgs

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iresprite:

ldap

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** kormoc blinks **

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iresprite:

Okay, that's wacky.

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** Dr_willis winks **

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kormoc:

yay, ubuntu...

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Dr_willis:

Hmm. does mythtv's dvd burning features include converting avi and other formats ive copied over to the videos dir to dvd? :) that would rock. heh heh

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iresprite:

huh. So. Do I just build ld.so.conf by hand?

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xris:

iresprite: no ld.so.conf.d or anything like that?

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xris:

wow

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Dr_willis:

cat /etc/ld.so.conf

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Dr_willis:

include /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf

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Dr_willis:

/usr/X11R6/lib

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kormoc:

iresprite, you don't have a /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ ?

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Dr_willis:

Now thats --- interesting.. never seen an 'include' used like that befor.

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sysrq:

you need a directory full of text files with a single directory path in it?

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sysrq:

is it that hard to maintain ld.so.conf alone

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xris:

sysrq: easier for packages to install their own configs

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iresprite:

ldap

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iresprite:

ld.so.cache

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iresprite:

ld.so.hwcappkgs

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iresprite:

that's it for the ld's.

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kormoc:

iresprite, pardon my french, but that's fux0r3d

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sysrq:

so make one

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sysrq:

it's not required

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xris:

iresprite: sounds like your system is messed up

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Dr_willis:

the ld.so.conf.d contains 1 file. it has 2 lines in it.

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iresprite:

I agree.

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sysrq:

it will simply default to the default paths

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Dr_willis:

/lib/i486-linux-gnu and /usr/lib/i486-linux-gnu

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Dr_willis:

On this Kubuntu Edgy system.

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sysrq:

so echo /whatever/path > /etc/ld.so.conf and make one

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** iresprite nods. **

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kormoc:

sysrq, it's still standard to have it at least exist

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** kormoc shrugs **

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nvzn:

http://pastebin.ca/302260

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nvzn:

thats the messages from frontend just as my screen goes black and the system locks up

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iresprite:

well! that's better.

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iresprite:

I'm still totally confounded as to why ld.so.conf didn't exist.

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nvzn:

not all 155 pages though

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kormoc:

nvzn, looks like the OSD started to fire?

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sysrq:

it wasn't needed till you started doing this crap :)

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iresprite:

Thanks for spotting that, guys. I just assumed that, you know, my system was somewhat sane.

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kormoc:

nvzn, does it always happen when the OSD files?

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nvzn:

OSD?

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kormoc:

iresprite, evendently it's ubuntu policy, to not confuse end useds

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kormoc:

nvzn, On Screen Display

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kormoc:

iresprite, http://groupehudson.com/sid?sid=110 <-- he mentions it

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nvzn:

kormoc: it happens when i try to watch tv

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nvzn:

kormoc: and its recording to disk the whole time btw

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nvzn:

eating ram and harddrive space it seems

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kormoc:

hrm, is there a way to disable the OSD... I'd try that if there is a way, but I don't know if there is or isn't

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nvzn:

i have no idea what the OSD is

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nvzn:

actually just a hint of an idea from the name

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iresprite:

kormoc: thanks. That explains it...

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iresprite:

mythtv-setup is not updating the schema... it's on 1153. I had no idea the DB was that far behind.

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kormoc:

nvzn, when you watch a recording, it's the text that shows up on the screen with the show's info and what not

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kormoc:

but I'm out

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nvzn:

thats what i though

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nvzn:

t

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iresprite:

Man. Mythtv-setup is working. I'm a little nervous-- this might actually work without upgrading to Edgy Eft!

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sabrewulf:

ok, I've searched and I can't figure this out: mythtv reports "Unable to connect to database" but mysql -h localhost -u mythtv mythconverg -p (then typing in my password) works

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sabrewulf:

mythtv-setup reports that

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sabrewulf:

any ideas?

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xris:

sabrewulf: make sure you only have one mysql.txt file on your hard drive

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xris:

stray one with wrong info could cause trouble

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sabrewulf:

ok i'll double check

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sabrewulf:

ls -l

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sabrewulf:

nope

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sabrewulf:

only 1, in ~mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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sabrewulf:

i can't imagine my.cnf being a problem if running mysql works

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sabrewulf:

actually

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sabrewulf:

hmm

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xris:

nothing in /etc or /usr/share/mythtv or / ?

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sabrewulf:

ah hmm

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xris:

and it's not my.cnf

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sabrewulf:

tvpc:/usr/local/share/mythtv# find . -name "mysql.txt"

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sabrewulf:

tvpc:/usr/local/share/mythtv#

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xris:

sabrewulf: you don't just use locate?

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sabrewulf:

same results for /etc

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sabrewulf:

xris: locate doesn't reveal any either

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xris:

then run -setup with -v all

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sabrewulf:

ok

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sabrewulf:

http://pastebin.ca/302352 over and over again

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sabrewulf:

let me get -v all log

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xris:

should be something in there with where it loads the config, etc.

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sabrewulf:

oooh

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sabrewulf:

QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded

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sabrewulf:

i'm SURE That has to do with it

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xris:

you running gentoo, then?

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sabrewulf:

debian

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xris:

ah, compiled by hand... yeah, install the qt mysql bindings.

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sabrewulf:

yeah

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sabrewulf:

ok

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sabrewulf:

thanks :)

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sabrewulf:

awesome, thanks so much xris--this worked :)

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** sabrewulf bows **

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warthog9:

is there anyway to figure out where mythtv is routing the audio out?

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Dr_willis:

hmm.. try that alsamixer ? see what the mixxer settings are?

[05:25:40]

warthog9:

well I'm stuck with something that doesn't make sense, from the command line mpg123 works fine, and having mythtv directly put ac3 & dts down through the spdif output works fine, can't complain. As soon as I try to play something like an mp3 in mythmusic it doesn't work, but if I play the same file through mythvideo it works fine

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xris:

warthog9: mythvideo with which app doing the playback?

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Dr_willis:

i cant say that ive used mythmusic much at all.. it may need some option for whatever command its using.

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warthog9:

xris- good question let me check that

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warthog9:

xris- apparently mplayer, so basically mplayer can play music just fine but mythtv doesn't

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xris:

switch to the internal player for video and see if that helps

[05:29:36]

warthog9:

for mythvideo? but mplayer plays audio fine, and I get none from livetv, recorded shows or mythmusic?

[05:29:49]

xris:

oh, didn't realize that no audio worked

[05:30:02]

kormoc:

what do you have the audio device set to?

[05:30:07]

warthog9:

yeah mythtv itself doesn't play any audio

[05:30:08]

xris:

what kormoc said

[05:30:20]

warthog9:

xris- mythtv's audio device is set to /dev/dsp

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xris:

and is that the correct device?

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warthog9:

it's the the only dsp device on the system, though I am using alsa

[05:31:02]

kormoc:

so why not have it use the ALSA device?

[05:31:56]

warthog9:

when I set it to something like ALSA:spdif or ALSA:default I get the following error when trying to play music from mythmusic: Rate doesn't match (requested 44100Hz, got 48000Hz)

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warthog9:

I've tried ALSA:cards.pcm.iec954 (or whatever that is) as well, same error

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kormoc:

you'd need to setup ALSA to resample

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kormoc:

but that's decently complicated

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** warthog9 goes to google how to do that **

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warthog9:

this all started last night when I did an upgrade and screwed up video and audio. I've tried backing down mythtv back to where it was, didn't work, audio plays fine form command line utilities

[05:34:14]

warthog9:

and even if I flip back to the normal audio jack output I don't get sound from mythtv

[05:35:04]

** xris ponders if it's worth the hassle to upgrade to spdif audio **

[05:35:21]

warthog9:

xris- I've had it working for months up until yesterday, it was quite nice

[05:35:42]

Krazylegz:

!help

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Krazylegz:

!list

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kormoc:

warthog9, the alsa plugin you want is rate_converter

[05:35:55]

xris:

warthog9: just not sure I'd ever hear the difference

[05:35:58]

Krazylegz:

Hmm. Probably no need to do this in the channel.

[05:36:25]

warthog9:

I suppose I could blow the system away and rebuild it

[05:36:28]

kormoc:

Krazylegz, if it involves your password, feel free, else take it private :P

[05:36:39]

Krazylegz:

Thanks buddy. :-P

[05:36:42]

warthog9:

under the assumption that something is horribly wrong

[05:36:56]

Krazylegz:

Trying to figure out which remote to order. I've asked before, so I figure I'll just check the log.

[05:37:10]

kormoc:

Krazylegz, I'd highly recommend the MCEUSB remote

[05:37:33]

warthog9:

thats actually a really good one

[05:38:01]

kormoc:

Krazylegz, and the MCE keyboard actually works now, so you can buy that later

[05:38:46]

kormoc:

Krazylegz, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16880100851

[05:39:30]

Krazylegz:

Works well enough with Linux then?

[05:39:53]

Krazylegz:

My silver Hauppauge remotes seem to be crapping out.

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kormoc:

Krazylegz, Aye, lirc supports it and the blasters (as of lirc 0.8.1) and the keyboard is supported with lirc_mod_mce (and my patched version supports the keyboard, remote and ir blasters)

[05:41:02]

Krazylegz:

Easy enough to find a .lircrc for it?

[05:41:07]

kormoc:

Krazylegz, the remote can learn the tv's power button and volume buttons

[05:41:21]

kormoc:

Krazylegz, aye, xris keeps on in myth's subversion tree

[05:41:28]

kormoc:

*keeps one

[05:41:33]

Krazylegz:

Oh noes, a robotic remote! Kill it!!

[05:41:38]

** Krazylegz throws a wooden show **

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Krazylegz:

*shoe

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xris:

kormoc: still waiting for that updated version, btw. :)

[05:42:01]

kormoc:

heh, yeah, I need to poke cardoe about it when he gets on

[05:42:33]

Krazylegz:

I should just break down and get a Harmony to control all of these gizmos.

[05:42:51]

Krazylegz:

Hmm. Anyone ever use a Comcast remote with a Mythbox?

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DVBMark:

that MCEUSB sucks LMAO j/k

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x86:

OMG

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x86:

that PVR-350 I ordered the other night...

[05:48:24]

x86:

they charged me for it right then, and are now telling me the PVR-350 has been discontinued by the manufacturer

[05:49:10]

x86:

so i emailed them back and said it was NOT discontinued, and to promptly refund my money so I can buy from one of their competitors who have what they advertise what they have

[05:49:17]

kormoc:

well, it has been discontinued...

[05:49:23]

x86:

oh?

[05:49:28]

kormoc:

Aye, been so for awhile

[05:49:39]

x86:

in favor of the 500?

[05:49:40]

kormoc:

they just made a ton so they're still around

[05:49:52]

x86:

what's the replacement model?

[05:49:55]

kormoc:

x86, well, a pvr 150 + nvidia card is cheaper and better then the 350

[05:50:10]

kormoc:

x86, they decided not to make a replacement card with tvout, as it was so very limited and slow

[05:50:36]

x86:

gah

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x86:

wish someone would have told me this when i was asking for suggestions the other night :(

[05:51:41]

x86:

pvr 150 doesnt have hardware decoding though

[05:52:41]

kormoc:

no it doesn't, the nvidia card on the other hard does have some

[05:52:48]

kormoc:

which is why I mentioned them as a pair

[05:53:22]

x86:

all i want is simple TV out... dont need 3d accel or anything... not playing any games and what not

[05:53:29]

x86:

just watching movies on my big screen

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kormoc:

the pvr 350 *only* supports mpeg-2 hardware decoding, any other format it can't handle, which is why it tends to be better to use the nvidia card

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x86:

what nvidia card do you recommend?

[05:54:57]

x86:

i was going to pay $60 for the PVR-350, including shipping

[05:55:09]

x86:

you say I can get a PVR-150 + nvidia card cheaper?

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kormoc:

I use a 6200, which works quite fine (also works with HD videos), but it has an issue with the OSD (On Screen Display) being in greyscale, the nvidia 5xxx cards on the other hand don't have this issue

[05:55:21]

kormoc:

that's really really cheap for a 350

[05:55:36]

x86:

yeah man, that's why i wanted it :)

[05:55:38]

Krazylegz:

Am I the only one who can't get to the log?

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DVBMark:

kormoc, sorry for the bother, jsut a quick question hopefully, not sure what I have done but trying to inser that mce module now I get -1 Unknown symbol in module any idears, or did I fubar something and not realize it heh

[05:55:43]

x86:

froogle.com

[05:55:43]

Krazylegz:

Channel log, that is.

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kormoc:

x86, pvr 350's are usually around $120 to $140 a pop, and that is cheaper

[05:56:15]

kormoc:

DVBMark, I need the full output message

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x86:

kormoc: for $124 i can get a PVR-500, including shipping

[05:56:55]

DVBMark:

Jan 2 23:54:59 HoochVID1 kernel: lirc_mod_mce: Unknown symbol lirc_get_pdata

[05:56:55]

DVBMark:

Jan 2 23:54:59 HoochVID1 kernel: lirc_mod_mce: Unknown symbol lirc_unregister_plugin

[05:56:55]

DVBMark:

Jan 2 23:54:59 HoochVID1 kernel: lirc_mod_mce: Unknown symbol lirc_register_plugin

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kormoc:

x86, exactly, which is why we tend to recommend against the pvr 350

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x86:

kormoc: 350 was half the price!

[05:57:18]

kormoc:

DVBMark, that looks like you don't have the lirc modules installed

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x86:

$60 vs. $124.....

[05:57:33]

kormoc:

x86, but from only one store (shop.com) and they don't have it

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DVBMark:

k, maybe I am having a brain fart, which is entirely possible with the day I have had heh

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x86:

there's a few stores that claim they had it

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DVBMark:

so what other module do I need besides the lirc_mod_mce.ko

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x86:

nextdaypc, shop.com, and there's another also

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kormoc:

I don't see the nextdaypc

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x86:

shop.com says it has it in stock

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x86:

$60.19

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kormoc:

go for it, if you can get it, it's a decent deal

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x86:

does the 150 come with a remote?

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kormoc:

x86, I think some versions do, would have to check the product specs

[06:05:46]

schtinky:

if you had to ballpark it, how many mythtv users are out there?

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kormoc:

schtinky, well, from the download page (http://mythtv.org/modules.php?name=Downloads& . . . &cid=1), myth 0.20 was downloaded 125,982 times, and that doesn't include packages distros do, or svn users

[06:07:17]

schtinky:

any reason to believe the global distribution is any different than say, linux itself?

[06:07:30]

schtinky:

are people not downloading from certain areas, that is?

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schtinky:

i heard the UK has less Tivo because of schedule issues

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** kormoc shrugs **

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kormoc:

can't really say

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kormoc:

we have a bunch of UK people in here, and a bunch of EU, and AU

[06:09:13]

kormoc:

but I don't think anyone really gathers stats

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schtinky:

how does

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kormoc:

how does?

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DVBMark:

just a question for the fun of it. DOES IT MATTER?

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DVBMark:

it is a personal taste

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DVBMark:

if you like it, you like it, if you don't you don't

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kormoc:

be nice :P

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DVBMark:

there are tons of media centers out there, make a choice

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DVBMark:

I am trying! :)

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DVBMark:

was just curious in the questioning heh

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schtinky:

sorry my stupid wireless keyboard gave out

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DVBMark:

is it gonna sway your decision heh

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schtinky:

what I was trying to say was...

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schtinky:

how does mythtv handle closed captioning

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schtinky:

with a single program like zvbi-ntsc-cc

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schtinky:

or internally?

[06:12:06]

schtinky:

or what

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kormoc:

internally

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kormoc:

if the stream has it, you can toggle it on or off as you want

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schtinky:

using what key

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kormoc:

check the keys.txt file and see

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schtinky:

it's "t" but i get a "no captions" message within myth

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schtinky:

using ivtv pvr-250

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schtinky:

and I can get caps using zvbi-ntsc-cc

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kormoc:

well, perhaps myth just doesn't know about the format it's using

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TFGBD:

Hrm... So has anyone ported MythTV to Windows CE yet? ;)

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kormoc:

TFGBD, We are awaiting your patches

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TFGBD:

Hehe. ;)

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schtinky:

kormoc, does myth have a "lead" developer and if so who is it?

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TFGBD:

I know its not even decent on Win32...so thats not happening anytime soon :)

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kormoc:

schtinky, yes, Issac

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x86:

kormoc: what about AVerMedia AVerTV PVR 150?

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x86:

will that work with Myth?

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kormoc:

should, if ivtv supports it

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TFGBD:

I am corect in saying that MythTV does not support Win32...yes?

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joeyjoejo:

is there someplace I can put my lircrc file so that all users can use the same one, rather than putting it in each home dir?

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kormoc:

TFGBD, correct, it's linux only currently

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kormoc:

joeyjoejo, you could put it somewhere in /usr/share and ln -s it to each user's home dir

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schtinky:

joeyjoejo, why not joeyjoejoj

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TFGBD:

Ah well. CE at least has TCPMP. :P

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TFGBD:

But there is really nothing at all that has a nice TV friendly GUI to control media..

[06:27:21]

TFGBD:

Of course...I doubt many people other than those the manufacturers of BluRay players, etc would even care about using a CE device for such things... :P

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x86:

kormoc: ok, what would you recommend as a single-tuner solution with remote and IR reciever for the sub-$70 price range?

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santas_slayer:

hello all

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TFGBD:

http://www.invionnavi.com/default2.aspx?pid=463

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santas_slayer:

i'm trying to scan 119 for channels and it won't lock.. showing 60% signal when i know its 84%

[07:19:22]

Paladine:

is it ok to run mfdb with mythfrontend and backend running?

[07:19:31]

santas_slayer:

its in setup

[07:20:09]

santas_slayer:

i just created and configged the sql database

[07:20:22]

santas_slayer:

and just started the x server and and running mythtvsetup

[07:21:21]

santas_slayer:

:/

[07:22:16]

santas_slayer:

locked on one.. just played with the freq's

[07:22:22]

santas_slayer:

12443 worked for me

[07:22:31]

santas_slayer:

i just looked at my vdr configuration :)

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sabrewulf:

man, mythtv is awesome ... ;p

[07:25:39]

sabrewulf:

i thought of a plugin i should write though

[07:26:38]

sabrewulf:

MythFriends- provides things like friends list, friend messaging (via interface to MythPhone and MythEmail [not written, yet]) and would allow you to send any of your media (pictures, videos, music, and more) as attachments, also could interface with MythGame to set up network based games

[07:26:48]

santas_slayer:

thats pretty cool

[07:26:54]

santas_slayer:

sabre have you ever tried vdr?

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sabrewulf:

no, is it similar?

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santas_slayer:

i dunno.. i'm just setting up myth now

[07:27:19]

santas_slayer:

vdr is for linux too

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santas_slayer:

it has full OSD support and whatnot... i had to hook my tv up as a monitor for myth

[07:27:33]

sabrewulf:

i just "finished" .. have a few finalizing touches to put on it, of course

[07:27:33]

xris:

sabrewulf: music and videos wouldn't be allowed, given that it's not really legal

[07:27:39]

xris:

sabrewulf: install mythweb now. :)

[07:27:45]

sabrewulf:

xris: but if you have MythWebCam .. it should be!

[07:27:50]

sabrewulf:

xris: done and done

[07:28:08]

xris:

sabrewulf: for videos, I guess.. but it wouldn't be allowed.

[07:28:35]

xris:

anything that remotely suggests sharing of recorded content is too close to the grey area for the devs

[07:28:39]

sabrewulf:

my personal opinion is that you shouldn't have the software dictate your legalities... right?

[07:28:47]

sabrewulf:

well, if the devs say no then who am i to argue

[07:29:07]

sabrewulf:

xris: but photos for sure

[07:29:22]

sabrewulf:

and mythwebcam interfaced with mythphone would be really cool

[07:29:34]

xris:

sabrewulf: yes. photos would be fine.

[07:29:51]

xris:

I don't think mythphone is maintained much anymore.

[07:30:09]

sabrewulf:

ah

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xris:

software doesn't dictate the legalities, congress does.

[07:30:41]

sabrewulf:

so allowing attachments of any kind shouldn't be a problem with the devs

[07:30:57]

sabrewulf:

as long as you don't say "attach a recorded stream here" but use the phrase 'attach a file...'

[07:31:24]

xris:

yeah, and as long as it would just be an email client, with no great integration to the recording/db system.

[07:31:39]

xris:

actually, you'd have a hard time sending recordings, anyway.. most mail servers barf on things over 5–10 megs.

[07:31:41]

sabrewulf:

hehe, yeah but then why not just use mythweb and gmail

[07:31:58]

sabrewulf:

xris: true, i wasn't really sure about anything more than photos anyway

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xris:

sabrewulf: outbound server would still have to allow it.

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jehuty:

Does the current version of mythtv for Gentoo that is stable i.e. mythtv-0.20_p12172 support mysql-5.0.26-r1

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jehuty:

That is do you still need to install mysql and mythtv to get mythtv to work

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sabrewulf:

hmm, now to get mythweb set up

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jehuty:

The mythtv wiki for gentoo is a bit vague with this

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xris:

jehuty: huh? yes, mythtv needs mysql.

[07:36:00]

xris:

and mythtv should work fine with mysql 5

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jehuty:

oh ok i misread the wiki

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jehuty:

it says OLDER than .19 not newer lol

[07:37:04]

jehuty:

my mistake

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jehuty:

although eselect for mysql is no longer supported ok

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Paladine:

xris you there?

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jehuty:

another question if i am using mythtv in US i will not need to compile xmltv correct?

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xris:

Paladine: yup

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xris:

jehuty: only if you want channel icons

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Paladine:

xris, is it safe to run mfdb when backend and frontend are running?

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xris:

and not really even then, since there is a master list in contrib in svn now.

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xris:

Paladine: of course

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xris:

(it runs nightly that way)

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jehuty:

xris: what do you mean by channel icons

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Paladine:

cheers bud

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jehuty:

xris: Because isn't xmltv only for users based outside US and Canada?

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Paladine:

xriswhy do I get so many of these when I run mfdb?

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Paladine:

removing existing program: carlton.com Ice Age 2007-01–06T18:50:00 – 2007-01–06T20:20:00

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Paladine:

inserting new program : carlton.com Ice Age Sat Jan 6 18:50:00 2007 – Sat Jan 6 20:20:00 2007

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xris:

jehuty: xmltv is also used to generate the xml needed by mfdb to download the channel icons

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xris:

but you don't need it

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jehuty:

mfdb is what now?

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xris:

mythfilldatabase

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sabrewulf:

xris: do i need to do anything special to enable mod_env in apache2?

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Paladine:

mythfilldatabase

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jehuty:

ok thanks

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xris:

sabrewulf: this doc from svn still applies: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . hweb/INSTALL

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xris:

(read it in a browser, not wget)

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xris:

this is the other file you'll want. it replaces the .htaccess: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . .conf.apache

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sabrewulf:

xris: really looks like i'm doing it right

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xris:

sabrewulf: using svn docs or .20?

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sabrewulf:

.20

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sabrewulf:

this one you gave me is slightly different

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sabrewulf:

i'll try ti

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xris:

I updated the install docs in svn.. makes it easier than managing an apache conf *and* htaccess file.

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xris:

plus you can enable the compression stuff, which will speed things up

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sabrewulf:

so i dont need an .htaccess anymore?

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xris:

not if you use the stuff I pasted

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sabrewulf:

ok

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sabrewulf:

gah

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santas_slayer:

hrnm

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santas_slayer:

its not connecting to my master server

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santas_slayer:

but i set the ip correctly

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sabrewulf:

Invalid command 'RewriteEngine so i need to find mod_rewrite

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sabrewulf:

already have it

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sabrewulf:

cool

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sabrewulf:

it works

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sabrewulf:

mythweb <3

[07:57:23]

sabrewulf:

thats cool

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santas_slayer:

sabrewulf> any ideas about my problem?

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sabrewulf:

i missed it, what's the problem?

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sabrewulf:

xris: ok, so i use cable tv and there are hundreds of channels..is there a way to automatically grab channels and channel names from datadirect?

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sabrewulf:

and import them into the channels table?

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sid:

Can I use a cablecard with GNU/Linux?

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kormoc:

if there's any drivers, sure

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kormoc:

if there isn't any, you could write some and then you could use it

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sid:

kormoc: Do you know of any setups that use cablecards with GNU/Linux natively?

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kormoc:

nope

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sid:

kormoc: You think any will work within a year?

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kormoc:

likely not

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sid:

kormoc: Isn't the cablecard specification open, so someone would just have to follow the spec right?

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sid:

kormoc: Or is that spec from mythtv.org not for the cards chipset?

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sid:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/CableCARD

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kormoc:

the decryption key is the issue

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kormoc:

each company needs to buy one for their driver, and in the nature of opensource, it's likely never going to be given one

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Speedy2:

CableCard stuff won't be "real" for awhile

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Speedy2:

Not this year

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sid:

Speedy2: What do you mean "real", you can't do this in Windows either?

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kormoc:

Given they haven't finished the spec...

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xris:

sabrewulf: it should do that automatically

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Speedy2:

Many of the boxes that are being rolled out are working in M-Card mode and they're using the legacy protection. It's a long story, but don't expect much from CableCard for at least another year.

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xris:

sid: won't be able to do it with windows, either.

[08:30:10]

xris:

keys will only be sold to "closed system" vendors... which is a complete system that the user doesn't have control over, like a tivo.

[08:30:47]

xris:

that is, unless/until microsoft lobbies hard enough for windows mce to be allowed, but as it currently stands, even windows mce is too open, since the files will be available on the hard drive for users to interact with in the normal OS mode.

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sabrewulf:

oh, sweet

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xris:

sabrewulf: haven't you filled the db already with mythfilldatabase?

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sabrewulf:

i dont have my tuner card installed

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xris:

it should grab everything from the lineup you configured at zap2it.

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sabrewulf:

so it seemed likt it wouldn't let me

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xris:

oh..

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sabrewulf:

theoretically, i should still be able to fill the program db though

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sabrewulf:

i'll install the card tomorrow, for now its bed time. night

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v juski

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juski:

morning

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juski:

looks like someone else has finally taken the plunge & made a decent looking wide theme: http://home.comcast.net/~zdzisekg/

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Paladine:

juski what resolution is widescreen for PAL?

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Paladine:

and is there a theme repository anywhere?

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juski:

theme repos are the responsibility of repo creators ;)

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Paladine:

I didn't mean repos in that sense

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Paladine:

I meant repo in the traditional sense

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Paladine:

sok I found it on the wiki :)

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juski:

PAL is 720x576 or 768x576, or 704x576, wide or not

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Paladine:

I never reliased there were OSD themes

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juski:

oh yeah#

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Paladine:

where do you set the OSD theme?

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Paladine:

I don't see it in frontend

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juski:

tv settings > playback

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juski:

talk about hidden away

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juski:

IMHO it should be in the appearance menu

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juski:

hey apparently MediaPortal can have animations in menus – their MePo theme has this little CGI guy :-O

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juski:

sounds cheeky

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juski:

anyway I should go to work or I'll be late

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spazrat:

hi all

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spazrat:

is there any support for videocrypt in myth tv?

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spazrat:

im wanting to build an 'all in one' box for my video crypt and freeview services

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spazrat:

so that i can access everything from one menu

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Paladine:

sweet this OSD is much better

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ivor:

mornin all

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Jaak_:

is there a Lirc help channel, the only thing i need to know is how i figure out what driver to use for my IR device...

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chris_:

I'm trying to compile from svn on a fresh mepis install (old hdd died) compile went flawless... but when I run mythfrontend I get the folling error, I've tried to google it but no help.... "QFont::setPointSize: Point size <= 0 (-2147483648)" at which point it stops

[09:47:30]

chris_:

anyone else ever have this issue?

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juski:

morning ivor

[09:48:16]

juski:

spazrat: mythtv doesn't support illicit decoding of any kind, and bringing up the very subject here isn't going to win you any sympathy

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ivor:

spent a considerable amount of time last night trying to work out what was up with my new fangled diskless frontend.....

[09:48:43]

ivor:

mounting the nfs volumes with the apps on as executable helps! :)

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ivor:

doh

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quicksilver:

ivor: you forgot to install the fangle?

[09:49:09]

ivor:

nope. fangle engaged and running.

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ivor:

chris_: do you get a crash? or is that just a log message?

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ivor:

chris_: some kind of qt library issue/mismatch/problem or something probably.

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chris_:

has anyone ever seen this qfont thing before? I'd assume its a font issue but I've tried to install all logical packages

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chris_:

well when I run from a console thats where it stops

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chris_:

just need to get the setup to come up so I can change the ip for the backent/db

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chris_:

errr..... backend....

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chris_:

sorry teensey bit inebreaded....

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ivor:

I'm really hoping you mean inebriated... and not inbred. :)

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chris_:

I'll try the qt libraries

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chris_:

what would be relevent qt3 or qt4?

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chris_:

yeah... kinda tipsy

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Jaak_:

How do i know what IR device i have? I got it with a pinnacle pctv pro card, it's serial and almost looks like a home-brew one....

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ivor:

chris_: qt3.

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ivor:

Jaak_: just google it. or just try the serial drivers and see what happens.

[10:04:26]

ivor:

chris_: does the rest of your mepis install work? other X apps work ok?

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chris_:

heh... I think I misses mysql-client... :)

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chris_:

missed

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ivor:

hmmm, in which case you'd have got a damned site more errors that just a qtfont one.

[10:07:24]

chris_:

nope... that wasn't it....

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chris_:

what is the default location for the frontend log?

[10:08:09]

chris_:

never had to look at it...

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chris_:

just back....

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chris_:

yeah evety thing elst works fine

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chris_:

damn keyboard...

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chris_:

I don't remember having any issues last install

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chris_:

gawd I hate beer 1 in 2 out....

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chris_:

I think I just peed a liter....

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ivor:

hmmm, perhaps a beer free install session would work better?

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quicksilver:

bear free helps, too

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quicksilver:

the bears knock the computers off the desks too often IMO

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chris_:

heh...

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chris_:

install aws sober.... maybe that waas the prob

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juski:

ivor: got a question for you.. if I were to install xorg 7.0, say on my epia frontend, would I just be able to select 'via' as the driver in xorg.conf & it'll just 'work', with xvmc & all (via CLE266) ?

[10:16:23]

ivor:

probably.

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juski:

mmmv, etc?

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ivor:

although the vanilla 7.1 install I put on last night didn't work... but I'm not 100% sure I hadn't mucked up the via code.

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juski:

I'll be giving it a go soonish

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ivor:

but with a modular xorg... it's much much easier to build X drivers with just a couple of simple steps.

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juski:

saw my wife watching eastenders last night & I observed a lot of prebufferring pauses – nothing of the scale minimyth shows but obvious to me all the same

[10:18:52]

ivor:

so I'd recommend using the lastest SVN code anyway.. lots of drm and bug fixes.

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juski:

I'm gonna nail that issue sooner or later. wouldn't mind her never watching EE again though ;)

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Ruleke:

I always get confused with the xvmc <> viaXvMC stuff... via vld or not, etc.

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ivor:

me too.

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ivor:

:)

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Ruleke:

still not sure how I should set it up...

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ivor:

you shouldn't be getting any prebuffering pauses.

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juski:

I know I shouldn't

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juski:

think as an experiment I might set up my spare machine with a different OS & try that – just to take the BE out of the equation

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juski:

can't trust ubuntu as far as I could throw it lately

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Ruleke:

I think I'll do my own thing on debian again

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Ruleke:

minimyth isn't worth the trouble I guess

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juski:

what trouble?

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juski:

when it works it's great, and fast to set up

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Ruleke:

possible playback issues you had

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juski:

I just hit a rocky patch with it

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ivor:

is minimyth still based on busybox?

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juski:

yup

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juski:

maybe its kernel is too new too

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ivor:

was toying with using busybox for my new frontend.

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juski:

for me I think it started going pear-shaped when it wasn't only about epia hardware

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ivor:

but stuck with lfs for now.

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Ruleke:

hmm it would be nice to do diskless slave backend maybe :P not sure if that would be possible :)

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juski:

sure it would :)

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ivor:

using 2.6.19.1 with no problems so I don't think your problems were that.

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Ruleke:

also messing abotu with upnp in on the menu :)

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hashbang:

heya, HYN everybody

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hashbang:

juski: remember I had problems with my MythTV box going haywire every few days before Xmas, we think due to new DVB-T data? I set MythTV to record for a hardware decoder on each tuner so it only records 1 video and 1 audio stream, and that *seems* to have fixed the problem. Thanks for the tip.

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Jaak_:

I really can't find anything on what driver is should use for my lirc, i found out that my ir device is supported since lirc 0.6.1 but what driver?

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juski:

only records 1 video & 1 audio? it can't do that can it?

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ivor:

Jaak_: http://www.google.com/search?q=pinnacle+pctv+lirc

[10:51:23]

ivor:

Jaak_: result 3 and 7

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juski:

I thought you could only say (w.r.t. DVB-T recording profiles) tv only, or 'everything' – if you select 'tv only' you still get all the junk like audio description tracks & subtitles

[10:52:35]

juski:

if it turns out you can disable subtitles & 2nd audio tracks, lemme have it!

[10:53:35]

ivor:

hmm I've never changed mine from the defaults. I'll have to check out that option.

[10:55:08]

juski:

if myth can chuck away the junk, it'll nicely fix my prebuggering pauses

[10:55:29]

juski:

setting it to 'tv only' doesn't fix it

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hashbang:

juski: use mythtvsetup to edit the properties for each defined tuner, there's an option that's labelled as 'use hardware decoder' and the text explains that it makes the MPEG files simpler so that they can be squirted to dumb hardware decoders.

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hashbang:

juski: I've not actually checked the resulting MPEG files, mind. :-)

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CyberScript32:

someone speak portugues for help brasilian friend????

[11:01:14]

CyberScript32:

:P

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amarelinho:

a like see tv in my mythtv

[11:03:11]

amarelinho:

but not work

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amarelinho:

someone?

[11:04:01]

Merlin83b:

You will need to be a lot more specific than "not work", amarelinho.

[11:04:20]

amarelinho:

ok

[11:04:24]

amarelinho:

moment

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amarelinho:

a have 1 piwelview with module bttv card=70 tuner43 and work so beatfull..but in mythtv not open nothing

[11:08:53]

amarelinho:

Merlin83b

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Merlin83b:

Did you follow any setup guides or howtos?

[11:09:56]

amarelinho:

guive-me 1 please Merlin83b

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amarelinho:

e see now mythtv documentation

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amarelinho:

Merlin83b weres hotow for i folow???

[11:12:21]

Merlin83b:

mythtv.org

[11:12:29]

Merlin83b:

FOr one.

[11:12:33]

amarelinho:

thanks

[11:12:39]

Merlin83b:

Jarod's guide is good

[11:12:42]

Merlin83b:

Google will turn up more.

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amarelinho:

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Merlin83b:

Yes. You know google's address, right?

[11:13:53]

amarelinho:

yes

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amarelinho:

i see now

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amarelinho:

thanks again

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Bernardo:

good morning

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amarelinho:

good morning Bernardo

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juski:

hashbang: wasn't aware those options were still there. might dig a bit in the tables

[11:42:29]

juski:

amarelinho: wiki.mythtv.org has lots of good info

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juski:

I find it amazing how folks find this channel before stumbling on the docs

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amarelinho:

[juski]: thanks

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ivor:

juski: I'm pretty sure those options went.

[11:51:42]

juski:

so was I

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** juski has been unsuccessfully looking for the company's software repository all morning **

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juski:

ah here it is. software for every unit ever made, from day one, on one table-bound html page

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h7-25:

hello, how can i select which audio track is played when the recording contains multiple audio tracks? (recorded with pvr250 v4l2-clt -T bilingual)

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juski:

two ways

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juski:

one with a single keypress, and one by selecting it from the OSD menu

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h7-25:

hm ... i'll have to look again thx meanwhile

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** ivor drums fingers wondering when is EX is going to arrive. **

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Beirdo:

fuckin BBC 7

[12:18:58]

Beirdo:

seems that they are planning not to play Goon Shows anymore for a while

[12:19:08]

ivor:

http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/ . . . board_id=450

[12:19:53]

JloR:

I have a tiny problem. MythTV keeps playing things in wrong aspect ratio. I'm missing the bottom half of everything I want myth to display. If I start mplayer /dev/dvd and have it output in full screen to my desktop, it shows fine.

[12:20:06]

JloR:

So I'm thinking MythTV somehow sets a very very wrong aspect ratio.. Where?

[12:20:21]

juski:

aspect ratio override

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juski:

it's a setting

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JloR:

Haven't been able to locate it.

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juski:

ivor: nice. will that do h.264 do you reckon?

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Merlin83b:

Onboard TV Out • VIA VT1625M HDTV Encoder

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Merlin83b:

Perhaps so!

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Ruleke:

an HDTV encoder that utilizes VIA's Advance ProScale® Technology to scale the input resolution for 640x480 up to 1024x768 encode for 1080i, 720p standard HDTV resolution output,

[12:22:51]

Ruleke:

huh ?

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JloR:

Also, would a wrong aspect ratio be able to cut half of my picture away? Wouldn't it just squeeze it/stretch it?

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Ruleke:

so I suppose it has the 1024x1024 limit too ?

[12:23:38]

juski:

JloR: you might have to install proper video drivers (with xv) for your vga card

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Beirdo:

not if it does 1080i output, I'd bet

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Ruleke:

up to 1024 it says

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JloR:

Using fglrx at the moment. With my ATI Xpress 200. I'm using TV out on those.

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ivor:

juski: now the question is.... with the decoder be of any use for h264...

[12:24:12]

Beirdo:

ahhh, the input... duh

[12:24:13]

Ruleke:

iirc, CN700 also had the 1024*1024 limit

[12:24:29]

ivor:

juski: it says it'll do WMV9....

[12:24:37]

juski:

ivor: if it is, I might scotch the mac mini idea

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ivor:

Ruleke: the CN400 didn't/doesn't have the 1024 limit... so I assume this won't either since it's an evolution of the same unichrome-pro variant.

[12:26:30]

Ruleke:

yeah I know the CN400 doesn't, I suppose the CX700M2 name doesn't fill me with confidence

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JloR:

I'll have a look around my setup again. Probably come back to bug you guys once more :) Thank you for your help so far

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juski:

ivor: where you getting an EX from in the UK?

[12:27:12]

ivor:

taiwan

[12:27:17]

juski:

heheh

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juski:

ebay?

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Ruleke:

http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/chipsets/index.jsp#c-series

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ivor:

via

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juski:

they sending you one? ooo nice

[12:28:14]

ivor:

/send/sell/ :)

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Ruleke:

will be interesting to see how well it works

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juski:

surprised they'd sell to a member of the public tbh

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juski:

not many outfits would do that

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Ruleke:

I've been thinking... a microatx am2 mobo + cpu is probably cheaper

[12:29:01]

ivor:

public! MOI!! How Dare you! I'm *special*

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juski:

oh yeah...

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** ivor decides it's time for a bite to eat.... **

[12:29:45]

juski:

in that case I'm surprised they're not just letting you have it

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juski:

:-P

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qu0zl:

considering you help write the linux drivers for it you'd think they would tbh

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qu0zl:

they must ship a fair few chipsets on the back of that

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Ruleke:

I would prefer they supply the source to their own for starters :/

[12:30:22]

qu0zl:

yeah

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juski:

if there was no linux driver I'd not be using an M10k, fer sure

[12:30:27]

ivor:

yeah well. it's not a huge amount of money... and I quite fancy a new frontend.

[12:31:33]

Ruleke:

epia is still tempting precisely because of openchrome...

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Ruleke:

damn closed nvidia drivers :P

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juski:

damn closed drivers.. least their closed drivers work really well for the most part, unlike some other vendors I could mention ;)

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Ruleke:

I don't suppose there is any chip that does the h264 decoding/acceleration in linux ?

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juski:

nope

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juski:

not yet anyway

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Ruleke:

I read about some xine stuff for openchrome...

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qu0zl:

thats just mpeg2

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Ruleke:

nah mpeg4

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juski:

mpeg4 is in the works

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juski:

but mpeg4 != h.264

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juski:

and we UK folks are gonna need hardware help to decode h.264 in HD

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juski:

unless 10Ghz CPUs are cheap enough by 2012

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Ruleke:

:)

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qu0zl:

i bet that you'll be able to buy powerful enough cpus and passively cool them by then juski

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qu0zl:

5 years is an eternity

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juski:

just put a big F.O. FPGA on a PCI/AGP card witH HDMI output

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juski:

I say 'just' like I've said 'just decode the human genome'

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qu0zl:

heh

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quicksilver:

that's roughly what the open graphics project is doing isn't it?

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quicksilver:

huge big FPGA with dual DVI, at least

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juski:

.. or just purevideo support in linux

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juski:

but like you said qu0zl 5 years is a long time

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quicksilver:

I think OGP will be with us before 2012

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quicksilver:

they already have testing boards shipped to interested parties

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quicksilver:

I'm personally happy to pay over-the-odds for a graphics card with open source firmware + drivers

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juski:

I'm not. cost is the bottom line.

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juski:

monetary cost, not moral ;)

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** quicksilver nods **

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quicksilver:

that's fair enough

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quicksilver:

it does have some cool features too

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juski:

depends what 'over the odds' means

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quicksilver:

like unrestricted dual DVI, so huge max resolution

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juski:

£100 I could handle

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juski:

but 2 or four times that..

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quicksilver:

http://wiki.duskglow.com/tiki-index.php?page=OGPN17

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quicksilver:

if you're interested

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quicksilver:

if my STB is better at tuning weak signals than my linux-dvb cards, that's presumably a hardware not software issue?

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juski:

well I wish the luck with it

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** quicksilver nods **

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juski:

quicksilver: hardware, yeah

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quicksilver:

juski: me too. It could be cool if they pull it off

[12:57:50]

quicksilver:

they sound organised enough to make it possible, they aren't just a bunch of kids who don't know what an ASIC is

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juski:

obviously

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juski:

I was offerred a job with 3D Labs once upon a time. sometimes wish I'd taken it, I'd be working for creative now

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** Beirdo considers the fun of trying to work on gputrans while caring for a rambunctous puppy **

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quicksilver:

kittens are better than puppies, for techiews

[13:06:47]

quicksilver:

it's been proven

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Beirdo:

meh

[13:06:52]

Beirdo:

:)

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quicksilver:

http://www.dansdata.com/kitten.htm

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Beirdo:

cats like to lie ON the keyboard

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Beirdo:

or on the monitor...

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Beirdo:

I like kittens though. But we have a puppy

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

and a cute one at that

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Beirdo:

anyways, time for me to read my notes from September. Been too busy to do this stuff for a while

[13:20:45]

Beirdo:

oh great

[13:20:55]

Beirdo:

I left myself the hardest part to do... hehe

[13:21:11]

Beirdo:

macroblock-based motion detection

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Beirdo:

yeehaw, that should be some fun Cg code to write, good thing I'm liberating the algorithms from yuvdenoise

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quicksilver:

Beirdo: what are you writing?

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Beirdo:

GPU-based denoise, and hopefully later transcoding

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quicksilver:

interesting

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quicksilver:

what GPUs will it run on?

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Beirdo:

so far: nvidia >= FX5200

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** quicksilver nods **

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Beirdo:

NV30 and above

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quicksilver:

are there useful compilers? or do you have to write in 'nvidia GPU language'?

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Beirdo:

nvidia did that for us

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

Cg

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Beirdo:

it's C for graphics processors, compiles down to OpenGL or DirectX

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quicksilver:

fun

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Beirdo:

oh, and the tool is free, and can run on Linux :)(

[13:24:33]

Beirdo:

Thank you, nvidia for not sucking

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Ruleke:

huzzah

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quicksilver:

from the cg_main page you could get the impression that cg is a language for writing nice looking breasts

[13:25:51]

ivor:

Ruleke: I'm hoping the WMV9 accel is of some use for the H264 codec.

[13:25:58]

Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

what else would you ever use a GPU for? rendering boobs is the only real use...

[13:26:44]

Beirdo:

anyways, I'm starting with the algorithm that yuvdenoise uses

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quicksilver:

oh they even release the source for cg

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quicksilver:

that is shiny

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Beirdo:

I was hoping to use multiple GPUs in parallel, but for denoising with that algorithm, it's not possible

[13:27:32]

Beirdo:

sooo... it will be only one

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Ruleke:

ivor: yeah but what about the "tv encoder input scale" in the specs there ?

[13:27:55]

ivor:

we're playing with GPU's here... but no boobs. :(

[13:28:07]

Beirdo:

hopefully, when I get to the transcoding part, I can find a way to parallelize it

[13:28:08]

quicksilver:

ivor: maybe you're doing it wrong, then

[13:28:09]

ivor:

Ruleke: no idea. yet.

[13:28:20]

quicksilver:

Beirdo: it must be parallelizable since they come in pairs!

[13:28:27]

ivor:

quicksilver: just lots of matrix math. :( sigh.

[13:28:31]

quicksilver:

right, enough low jokes for now

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Beirdo:

the denoise uses too many internal buffers that would need to be shared between GPUs, and that would be REAL slow

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Beirdo:

I want the only significant bus traffic to be frame in, frame out

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Beirdo:

as that in and of itself will be slow enough

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ivor:

Ruleke: "VT1625 Digital High Definition Television Encoder supports any input resolution from 640x480 to 1024x768, including the HDTV input format 1280x720 or 1920x1080 in various RGB pixel data formats or YCrCb pixel data formats from graphic chip or MPEG decoders."

[13:31:04]

Beirdo:

my devel box has 5 nvidia cards in it ;)

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quicksilver:

heh

[13:31:17]

quicksilver:

awesome

[13:31:29]

Ruleke:

ivor: aha ... on the vt1625 info page ?

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Beirdo:

1 AGP 6600, 1 PCI FX5500, 1 PCI MX4000, 2 PCI MX440

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ivor:

what "boob-power" does that equate top?

[13:31:50]

Ruleke:

2 + 1 hot spare :)

[13:31:56]

ivor:

that's got the be giga-boobs territory.

[13:31:57]

Beirdo:

the last 3 are useless for this endeavour due to lack of useful hardware

[13:32:05]

Beirdo:

no framebuffers

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Beirdo:

blech

[13:32:19]

** ivor decides on a new benchmarking system for graphics card reviews... **

[13:32:31]

Beirdo:

but I have X running with one server, 5 screens :) one screen per card

[13:33:05]

Beirdo:

and when running gputrans, it runs a forked process per card, communicate by IPC shared mem and semaphores

[13:33:12]

Beirdo:

curse OpenGL for not being thread-safe

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Beirdo:

the infrastructure is all there and works. So far, I decode the video (using ffmpeg libs), feed each frame to the GPU, de-planarize it, re-planarize it, pull it back from the GPU and save to PPM files on disk for scrutiny

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Beirdo:

the 6600 does 55FPS doing that with a 720x480 video

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Beirdo:

and most of that is bus transfer

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Beirdo:

oh, and I think right now I'm sending current AND previous frame

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Beirdo:

but I don't think I need to

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quicksilver:

interesting

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quicksilver:

denoise is for 'crackly' analogue recordings? or?

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Beirdo:

mainly, but even digital recordings can use some as the original source ain't perfect

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Beirdo:

the idea is, for transcoding you want to encode as few useless bits as possible

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** quicksilver nods **

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quicksilver:

ah

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quicksilver:

so noise actually hurts compression

[13:38:49]

quicksilver:

right?

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caitlin:

do any of you lot happen to own, or have owned a shit old mk3 ford fiesta? </random>

[13:38:56]

Beirdo:

so before transcoding, denoising is useful as it increases the compression

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Beirdo:

right

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** quicksilver nods **

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quicksilver:

is there any filter to help to remove 'JPEG noise'?

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Beirdo:

it will be compressing fewer noisy bits, so it will compress better

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quicksilver:

useful with crappy DVB signals...

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quicksilver:

or just, overcompressed DVB

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Beirdo:

not sure. I think this algorithm may do OK, it does motion tracking and averaging

[13:40:06]

ivor:

quicksilver: indeed several. it's the 'deblocking' filter you're thinking of.

[13:40:10]

quicksilver:

sounds rather nice

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Beirdo:

the motion detection and tracking is a bitch

[13:40:43]

quicksilver:

it's not trying to reusing the motion tracking inherent in the mpeg, but doing its own?

[13:40:53]

Beirdo:

it's not being fed MPEG

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Beirdo:

it's being fed raw frames

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Beirdo:

that way it can be used to transcode anything that ffmpeg libs can read

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Beirdo:

and in the future (hopefully) also the nuv stuff

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Beirdo:

including rtjpeg

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** quicksilver nods **

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ivor:

perhaps you could feed the MC info along with the frames though as hints to the motion tracker?

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Beirdo:

I can decode MPEG4 nuv already, but my first attempt at re-implementing rt-jpeg... fails

[13:42:26]

Beirdo:

it wouldn't help I don't think, not all formats have it

[13:42:40]

Beirdo:

I dunno

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Beirdo:

I might experiment later :)

[13:43:04]

Beirdo:

right now, I still need to implement the motion tracking, and it's just such fun

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** ivor nods. **

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Beirdo:

I THINK I implemented the routines for the rest of the algorithm

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Beirdo:

been a few months :)

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ivor:

been doing similar type of thing for a completely different purpose.

[13:43:52]

Beirdo:

GPUs are a great thing

[13:43:52]

ivor:

heh. for the last couple of years. :D

[13:43:57]

ivor:

it's a spare time project.

[13:44:11]

Beirdo:

as is this, along with the bot, and other stuff

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ivor:

having a job eats up so much useful time.

[13:44:36]

Beirdo:

but I have a lot of theoretical spare time right now until I get a work permit... hopefully a couple months more

[13:44:46]

Beirdo:

yeah, I know

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ivor:

must find a way to merge the two.

[13:45:01]

Beirdo:

having an energetic little labrador-mix puppy does too :)

[13:45:18]

Beirdo:

she's asleep right now (thank GOD)

[13:45:42]

ivor:

although spending my time at work working with FPGA's GPU's and complex math isn't totally wasted. :P

[13:45:52]

Beirdo:

:)

[13:45:56]

Beirdo:

yeah, that's cool

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ivor:

it has its moments.

[13:46:19]

Beirdo:

matrix math done in parallel is kinda mind-boggling at first, I gotta tell ya

[13:46:45]

Beirdo:

SIMD multi-processing, essentially

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Beirdo:

oooh, their motion detection requires many SAD (sum-absolute-difference) operations

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Beirdo:

what fun

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moh:

What does mythtv use internally to watch live television?

[13:51:42]

Beirdo:

it uses mythtv

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moh:

signal -> mpeg2 -> play that and display it?

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ivor:

I thought it used magic beans?

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Beirdo:

ahhh

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moh:

yeah, okay.

[13:52:00]

Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

signal -> file, file -> playback

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moh:

I'm just trying to figure out what might be wrong with the television playing from one of my analog cards.

[13:52:25]

moh:

I've got a PVR150 that works fine.

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Beirdo:

with the file being MPEG2, MPEG4, RT-JPEG, etc, depending on the circumstance

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moh:

right.

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moh:

'and I have an asus tv fm that works fine with xawtv, but comes out squiggly when using mythtv.

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Beirdo:

squiggly?

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pat_:

I'll bet that means interlacing artefacts

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moh:

not white noise. Not a comprehensible picture other than you can see the majority of colors change when the scene on the show changes.

[13:54:22]

moh:

the lines are almost horizontal, but higher on the right.

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Beirdo:

hmmm.

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Beirdo:

odd, I dunno. That sounds like a color space problem, but I dunno why it would work in xawtv and not myth

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moh:

I had to feed a few options to get xawtv to work. -nodga for sure.

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qu0zl:

are they both using the same ivtv version interface Beirdo?

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qu0zl:

which does mythtv use?

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Beirdo:

ivtv isn't used for a frame capture card like that

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moh:

nope.

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moh:

its a saa7133

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Beirdo:

and AFAIK, xawtv won't work with ivtv still :)

[13:56:05]

qu0zl:

ahh, didn't realise it was a frame grabber :)

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Beirdo:

but good thought :)

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moh:

I'm at a bit of a loss as to where to start debugging because there aren't a whole lot of flippable switches in the tv tuner setup.

[13:57:17]

qu0zl:

ahh my crapy memory, i meant v4l1 vs v4l2

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Beirdo:

ooh

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Beirdo:

I'm pretty sure myth uses v4l2

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Beirdo:

not sure what is used by xawtv, been a while

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qu0zl:

thats what i think xawtv uses too :(

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qu0zl:

not sure either though

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ivor:

moh: do you see any recognisable "picture" shape behind the colours?

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moh:

[17179594.552000] saa7133[0]: registered device video0 [v4l2]

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ivor:

or any chance of a digital photo upload somewhere?

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Beirdo:

anyways, I'm gonna try to decipher this motion detection code

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moh:

ivor: Its quite scrambled.

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moh:

ivor: I could do that.

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moh:

gimme a few minutes.

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qu0zl:

xawtv uses v4l1, mythtv uses v4l2, you could try tvtime moh, that also uses v4l2. if it displays the same errors as mythtv then there's an issue with the v4l2 driver i'd imagine?

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juski:

oo I have another dvd drive to evaluate

[14:01:49]

juski:

you can never get sick of evaluating dirt-cheap slimline dvd drives

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Beirdo:

Oh God this will be so much easier to deal with with my YUV not packed as YUV420p, but rather YUV444p

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jduggan_:

'evaluate'?

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jduggan_:

are u some kind of hardware critic?

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** Beirdo hands juski the evaluation hammer **

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moh:

qu0zl: sure.

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juski:

test for suitability for use in our products

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jduggan_:

aah

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juski:

found out today I can write the co. a cheque & buy a 750GB HDD for $240

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moh:

tvtime -d /dev/video_asus

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moh:

works fine.

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moh:

(I wrote reasonable udev rules because probing of the tuners seemed to be random at boot)

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juski:

video_asus ? what kind of sensible node naming is that? not the completely obscure /dev/foobar you normally see

[14:05:27]

juski:

;)

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The_Ball:

could it be a database setup problem when seek tables only work when watching live tv and currently recording files, while recorded files have no seek table?

[14:05:39]

juski:

The_Ball: nope

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juski:

more like a corruption issue

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juski:

mysqlcheck mythconverg & mythcommflag --help are your friends

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The_Ball:

im using a hauppauge usb digital tuner, that's a standard mpeg2 stream right?

[14:06:30]

The_Ball:

oh, what does mysqlcheck do?

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ivor:

juski: oooh nice.. how many are you allowed to buy? :D

[14:09:17]

The_Ball:

so is the seektables stored in the .mpg files or in the database?

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moh:

here are the pics:

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moh:

http://www.bork.org/~mort/asus1.jpg, http://www.bork.org/~mort/asus2.jpg

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ivor:

wow.

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ivor:

ok you've got a problem there.

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ivor:

:)

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qu0zl:

lol, very pretty moh

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ivor:

does it work if you use myth to playback a known good mpeg file?

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Beirdo:

oooh, abstract art

[14:13:38]

ivor:

or alternatively... can you playback a myth recording with a different player.

[14:13:51]

Beirdo:

that could be a color space issue in the drivers

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Beirdo:

like myth asking for YUV420p and getting something else

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moh:

my ivtv card works fine.

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moh:

for recording and playback.

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ivor:

Beirdo: usually the strides would be the same though, so you'd at least get a straight picture

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Beirdo:

hmmm, yeah, one would think so

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kslater:

yeah, seems like a vertical / horizontal sync issue to my untrained eye

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ivor:

kslater: that's what it looks like... but isn't.

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The_Ball:

juski, thanks, mythcommflag was complaining about recordedseek beeing crashed, i have fixed it and running a commflag --rebuild --all now

[14:16:39]

juski:

what does mysqlcheck do? hmmm let's examine the syllables there

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juski:

my ess qoo ell... check

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ivor:

probably the frame in memory is aligned to a 16 byte boundary for each line but myth thinks the width is something different.

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qu0zl:

i saw similar with vlc not handling the openchrome pitches correctly

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ivor:

qu0zl: exactly.

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ivor:

moh: you need lots more logging basically.

[14:17:27]

Beirdo:

ahhh, a packed alignment thing? could be possible, I guess

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moh:

okay, how do I turn on logging?

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ivor:

from both myth and your capture card.

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qu0zl:

vlc asked openchrome for a width a multiple of 16 but got one back a multiple of 32 and didn't handle it correctly. silly vlc :)

[14:18:23]

ivor:

such is life.

[14:18:54]

ivor:

moh: myth is easy... just -v.. stuff. you'll need to check the docs for your capture card.

[14:18:59]

moh:

myth database logging?

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moh:

k.

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Beirdo:

I want my money back... oh wait, the software was free :)

[14:19:18]

ivor:

ooh, that's the other thing to check.. make sure a different player shows the same problem.

[14:19:36]

ivor:

just to make sure it's a recording problem not a video driver playback problem.

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moh:

ivor: me?

[14:19:42]

ivor:

moh: oui.

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moh:

okay. I think I'll delete the ivtv tuner for a bit until I sort this one out.

[14:20:12]

moh:

thanks for your help. I'll get back to doing real work now :-)

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qu0zl:

hang on moh

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qu0zl:

record somethign with it in mythtv, then export the recording, then view that in mplayer

[14:20:37]

qu0zl:

just to make sure it isn't mythtv's playback that has the pitch issue

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ivor:

there's an echo in here....

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moh:

okay. I'll delete the ivtv first to make sure its recording with the asus card.

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ivor:

:D

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qu0zl:

:P

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Beirdo:

and what is the resolution of the recordings by the v4l card in myth?

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qu0zl:

if the widths or heights are a multiple of 8 or 16 then give it a quick try with both set to multiples of 32. Some drivers if you ask them for a particular width will return a surface that's a multiple of some magic hardware specific number such as 32

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Beirdo:

precisely what I was thinking :)

[14:23:27]

qu0zl:

that confused the fuck out of me with the vlc/openchrome issues. it'd work seemingly randomly on some resolutions

[14:23:33]

qu0zl:

took me 2 days to figure it out and fix vlc

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Beirdo:

and if it still doesn't work with multiple of 32, try multiple of 64 for shits and giggles

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moh:

Interesting.

[14:24:47]

moh:

If I watch live TV it gives me what I showed you guys in the .jpgs

[14:24:55]

moh:

if I schedule a recording, and then go watch the recorded stuff its fine.

[14:25:00]

qu0zl:

heh, 64? I think the vlc code had a comment along the lines of, 'ask for a multiple of 16 just in case the card needs this'

[14:25:15]

qu0zl:

the idea of 32 clearly seemed absurd ;) so i wonder about 64s :P

[14:25:19]

moh:

even if I hit record and immediately go watch.

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Beirdo:

how odd

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qu0zl:

different recording profiles for live tv vs default?

[14:25:59]

qu0zl:

with different widths?

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simplton:

Are there any plans to embed glx effect into mythtv's menus?

[14:26:07]

moh:

let me go check that out.

[14:26:14]

moh:

I haven't changed any of that stuff afaik.

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ivor:

simplton: I'd expect it to be low down the todo list.

[14:26:27]

Beirdo:

remember to check the ones for V4L, not MPEG2 :)

[14:26:29]

juski:

well I've coped pretty much ok without nicotine today, and I cannae tak n'more cap'n

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qu0zl:

heh, how long you been off Juski?

[14:26:50]

qu0zl:

since the 1st?

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juski:

since 9am

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ivor:

lol

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Ruleke:

hehe

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juski:

giving up is for quitters

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Beirdo:

I've been off cigars since March of last year

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qu0zl:

:)

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Beirdo:

my wifey don't like em. So I quit, and my bank account is appreciative. Cigars ain't cheap

[14:28:07]

qu0zl:

heh

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moh:

Where should I be looking for this stuff?

[14:28:15]

qu0zl:

recording profiles, in mythtvsetup

[14:28:17]

juski:

when I quit cigs it's gonna pay for new toys

[14:28:19]

moh:

Software encoders (v4l based) -> Live TV -> Imagesize

[14:28:24]

qu0zl:

it's the backend stuff i think moh, not inside the frontend.

[14:28:32]

moh:

ah, okay.

[14:28:33]

juski:

moh: recording profiles

[14:28:59]

moh:

Above was indeed inside the frontend and recording profiles

[14:29:10]

juski:

utils/setup > setup > tv > recording profiles > live (or default, high, low etc(

[14:29:25]

qu0zl:

ahh, i always forget where stuff is :(

[14:29:41]

Beirdo:

toys budget is fun to have

[14:29:50]

juski:

it's in the FM where it always is ;)

[14:30:12]

juski:

1st new toy in years will be a mac mini by the look of it

[14:30:27]

juski:

something to aim for anyway

[14:30:33]

** ivor doesn't think life has meaning without a good cigar. **

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qu0zl:

that for a frontend juski? or just for a pc?

[14:30:39]

juski:

frontend

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moh:

hah.

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Beirdo:

I miss my Van Halen CDs. I wish I had had the space for my CDs when I flew down here

[14:30:47]

juski:

and then for a desktop machine

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moh:

it was 720x480.

[14:30:59]

moh:

switching to 480x480 fixed it.

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Beirdo:

A good Cigar is a good thing, no doubt

[14:31:03]

qu0zl:

cool :)

[14:31:08]

moh:

thanks for pointing me in the right direction guys.

[14:31:16]

Beirdo:

no problemo, moh

[14:31:24]

moh:

okay...enough GUI surfing. back to kernel code now :-)

[14:31:27]

Beirdo:

thanks for having the patience to troubleshoot with us

[14:31:42]

ivor:

try 736

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qu0zl:

aye, or 704

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qu0zl:

i think my ivtv drivers had a fit with > 720 width

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moh:

704 also works.

[14:32:42]

ivor:

indeed.

[14:32:53]

ivor:

you probably want that rather than 480 for a nice picture.

[14:33:03]

moh:

excellent. Thanks.

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Ruleke:

you should really use full pal or ntsc with latest ivtv drivers

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ivor:

moh: you probably want to determine if the problem is in the capture side or the playback side still

[14:34:12]

ivor:

moh: what video card are you using?

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juski:

I've always used 720x576.. looks much better than 480x480

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moh:

NVIDIA GPU GeForce 6200 A-LE

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ivor:

moh: another thing to try is to run xvtestcard and see if that gets artifacts at strange sizes

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moh:

ivor: okay I'll try that.

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juski:

right time to design that IDE caddy tester

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Bazil__:

huh ?

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GreyFoxx:

Yay, another nice theme

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GreyFoxx:

Now I just need to get a widescreen with no overscan and enjoy all the cool toys

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juski:

GreyFoxx: Emo-wide or whatever from the dev list posting?

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GreyFoxx:

mepo-wide

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juski:

almost right :)

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GreyFoxx:

ehh

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, another nice looking theme

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GreyFoxx:

The more the better hehe

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GreyFoxx:

to me anyway :)

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juski:

not sure about the little CGI guy but I think it's very goof

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juski:

good even

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** GreyFoxx wonders what the wiki docs related to themeing are lick **

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GreyFoxx:

like

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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juski:

a good starting point

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juski:

there's so much they miss though – like the need to have trans- elements for some things without explicitly defining them

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Beirdo:

no licking the wiki

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Beirdo:

you don't know where it's been

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GreyFoxx:

Beirdo: That's part of the excitment ];)

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -v jams

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jams:

ooh, might have to give that theme a whirl

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jams:

hope he finishes plugins soon

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juski:

if more folks do themes that good I can retire :)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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jduggan_:

yo juski, been readin around about my intermittent ch4/itv/e4 signal issues... apparently the mux is alot weaker and can only be reached by an externally mounted aerial

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jduggan_:

which sucks

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** kslater really needs to get his SP13000 showing in an HD mode to get some of this theme goodness **

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jduggan_:

might have to pay for someone to install it

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quicksilver:

jduggan_: two muxes are much weaker than the others

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quicksilver:

jduggan_: I have the same trouble with ch4/itv etc

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quicksilver:

(at least, it's true of crystal palace, don't know about other transmitters)

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qu0zl:

quicksilver, i saw you pose the trivia question about why they are weaker, but i missed the answer? Is it for signal resiliency testing? Or is it something crazy?

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caitlin:

where's this new theme at? google's going on about windows media edition or something

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GreyFoxx:

caitlin: It was mentioned on the -dev mailling list

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GreyFoxx:

http://home.comcast.net/~zdzisekg/

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GreyFoxx:

It's not 100% complete yet(most plugins aren't done) but the core stuff is done

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caitlin:

cheers

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GreyFoxx:

and he's done mythmusic

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caitlin:

i'm just curious

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quicksilver:

qu0zl: nobody knew

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qu0zl:

ahh i thought you knew the answer, heh never mind so ;)

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quicksilver:

qu0zl: personally I suspect they interfere with existing analogue signals from distant aerials

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jduggan_:

quicksilver: its only mux 2 that effects me.. which is the itv/ch4/e4 etc channels

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jduggan_:

The channels that broadcast using 64QAM mode (ITV1–4,C4,More4,E4,QuizCall, five, QVC etc) are very unsuitable for indoor reception.

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jduggan_:

64qam are on mux 2 apparently

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qu0zl:

ahh, that could well be it. i think a work colleague mentioned something about that with a northern irish transmitter

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quicksilver:

jduggan_: I can't get the ITV3 mux very clearly either

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GreyFoxx:

caitlin: It's a nice one, once finished it'll be a good addition to the list of them

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jams:

hmm that little green guy might start to annoy me after a while

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GreyFoxx:

Imagine if he moved heh

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jams:

GreyFoxx- he does

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GreyFoxx:

oh? I haven't loaded it

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jams:

in the upper right he dances around

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GreyFoxx:

I didn't realize we supported animations in theme elements

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GreyFoxx:

hahahaha

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GreyFoxx:

cool I have to check that out

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juski:

what?!

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jams:

i didn't realize it either

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juski:

since when?

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juski:

'nuff respect to the guy then – even if he did only 'borrow' the graphics

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** jams takes a peek at the xml **

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juski:

animated pngs?!

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quicksilver:

'You appear to be watching german pornography, would you like MythTv Assistant (TM) to help you out?'

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GreyFoxx:

I remember talking about it a long time ago, didn't know anyone had implemented it

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juski:

I remember making a proof of concept animated png for chutt a long time ago

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jams:

neither did i, and I try to keep up with ui related commits

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qu0zl:

quicksilver, i just asked him about it, apparently up the north they broadcast the part of the digital signal that would intefere with the analogue range at a lower power so as not to interfer with an analogue transmitter in donegal

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qu0zl:

so sounds like you might have been right

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quicksilver:

qu0zl: yes, I postulate a similar thing is true somewhere around crystal palace

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qu0zl:

though that's hearsay of course ;) the best kind of confirmation

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quicksilver:

qu0zl: anybody's guess where exactly

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** GreyFoxx grabs the theme **

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juski:

it's only 9.1MB – how many frames is the little dude?

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juski:

or is it actually a video?!

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** juski grabs the theme **

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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jams:

it's a png

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juski:

btw if anyone feels like patching my themes to support eskil's shoutcast stuff.. feel free

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jams:

it's about 60 pngs

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jams:

agetype name="animation">

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jams:

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jams:

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jams:

<filepattern low="0" high="61">title/animations/tv/tv%1.png</filepattern>

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jams:

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jams:

</imagetype>

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iresprite:

ooh. it looks like the latest ivtv release for 2.6.15 is just right for me.

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juski:

he's been digging thru the source

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jams:

yep

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juski:

that's the only way anyone could've known about it

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Jaak_:

any dutch here that can tell me how to receive the free digitenne channels?

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jams:

pretty sure that wasn't in the commit mails

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GreyFoxx:

hehe nice, I have been through that code and never noticed that oen

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GreyFoxx:

smart way to get animations hehe

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juski:

that's a pretty damn convoluted way to get animations in there

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GreyFoxx:

it's nifty when you have no other way

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GreyFoxx:

Though I would prefer proper animated image support

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juski:

I'd like jpeg2000 support, then I can get my tarballs smaller

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GreyFoxx:

Hmmm

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt/addon/so . . . imageformat/

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GreyFoxx:

It looks like QT 3 and 4 does support it

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GreyFoxx:

so if we don't handle it now, it's likely just a small change to say what image types we allow

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juski:

jpeg2000 – highly compressible & allows translucency

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GreyFoxx:

hmm ok, it might not work with versions before 3.3.3

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GreyFoxx:

but we coudl test that

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quicksilver:

translucency could make for some pretty sexy effects

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toad_:

installing an old version of the ati drivers is becoming a _major_ pain... it seems they don't work with 2.6.18, for example

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quicksilver:

btw is it possible to change the font size used in the EPG so a little more of each programme's name is visible?

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toad_:

is it possible to get myth to truncate the signal? it's a widescreen signal, which is much wider and slightly deeper than PAL; the cable set top box truncates it, can mythtv do the same thing?

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toad_:

that would avoid the need to scale video

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juski:

toad_: wide PAL is supposed to be squashed

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jams:

quicksilver- look at ui.xml for the theme

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GreyFoxx:

toad_: There are filters including a crop filter

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GreyFoxx:

I've never used it though

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toad_:

juski: cable truncates it rather than squashing it

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juski:

wide PAL is only 720x576 same as 4:3 PAL

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quicksilver:

jams: so it's a property of a theme rather than a gloabl setting?

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toad_:

juski: i think it's a pretty common practice

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toad_:

juski: okay so why is it not able to display live tv at more than 0.5fps?

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juski:

called amorphic scaling

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jams:

quicksilver- yes it is.

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GreyFoxx:

hahahah my wife would like this animated guy :)

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toad_:

even without Xvideo, it ought to be able to decode an MPEG2 stream in real time

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juski:

not for those who don't use opengl painter though.. so yeah you an turn him off

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quicksilver:

jams: thanks

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toad_:

mplayer can for example decode an xvid stream in real time on the same box

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toad_:

if in both cases we have no scaling happening

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GreyFoxx:

What resolution is your myth display running ?

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toad_:

is it possible that the window manager grabs some screen space and thus forces it to be scaled?

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toad_:

720x576

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jams:

quicksilver- not all themes support changing of font size, so it's better to look at the xml

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IamEthos:

why would you set repeat = 5 on the numbers on a remote?

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GreyFoxx:

and the content is 720x576? Then it shouldn't require any scaling

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juski:

a 720x576 wide signal is amorphically compressed, so when you display it on a wide screen TV, unscaled it automagically stretches it back to the right aspect ;)

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qu0zl:

so that if it registers events really quickly IamEthos it'll actually only send one per every 5 events, and you won't accidently send 3 just by tapping it

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toad_:

juski: if you're sure about that ...

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juski:

100% sure

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toad_:

juski: it does tell me that it can't decode at the full frame rate

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qu0zl:

if i don't have repeat if i press a button it may send that button way mroe than once

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toad_:

and then it doesn't; it shows the signal but is very jerky

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juski:

toad_: that's something to do with your video drivers

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IamEthos:

qu0zl, why not send 0?

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GreyFoxx:

toad_: Paste the full frontend output to pastebin.ca

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IamEthos:

that's what I was wondering

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toad_:

juski: i've spent ages on getting an old version of the drivers installed including a fair bit of shell hacking; it's nontrivial

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qu0zl:

what if you want to press ch+ twice IamEthos?

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IamEthos:

doesn't 0 disable repeat altogether? ignores every event after the first

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toad_:

it _might_ work with an older kernel version ... maybe

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toad_:

anyway

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qu0zl:

if you have an inifited no-repeat depending on pressing another key, then you can't press, ch+, ch+, you'd have to press ch+, X, ch+

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IamEthos:

qu0zl, I was asking about the actual numbers, lik 4, 5, 6 etc.

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IamEthos:

qu0zl, ooooooooh

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qu0zl:

it's the exact same thing IamEthos

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IamEthos:

so that would make channels like 44 impossible

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IamEthos:

I get it

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IamEthos:

weird.

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qu0zl:

yep

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qu0zl:

just tinker with it till you find a value you like, it won't cause you problems after that

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IamEthos:

qu0zl, is there a way to reload lircrc without reloading myth frontend?

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qu0zl:

not that i know of, i'd guess it's done at startup

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qu0zl:

but honestly dunno

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jams:

heh, even provied a mepo-wide menu theme

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quicksilver:

if you want to fit a LOT of video onto a DVD is it likely to be a better idea to simply cut the bitrate in the encoder, or actually to downsample to 352x288 or something?

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toad_:

hmmm, it's using a virtual desktop for some reason...

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IamEthos:

qu0zl, your logic is faulty

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IamEthos:

my current settings have the back button set to the esc key

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IamEthos:

and repeat = 0

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IamEthos:

and i just pressed it three times in a row with no trouble

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qu0zl:

ok, then does repeat = 0 just disable the repeat protection?

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qu0zl:

if i disable the repeat protection on my remote i cannot press any button just once, i'll always get multiple events

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qu0zl:

it depends on your remote what you need that set to, you may be fine with 0 for everything then I guess?

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x86:

what would you guys recommend for a single-NTSC tuner with remote and coaxial in AND out, for under $75 ?

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IamEthos:

qu0zl, A value of zero tells the program to ignore repeated keys. <- maybe they mean 'zero' not '0'?

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x86:

i'm unable to obtain the PVR-350 that I originally ordered, because they waited until after I ordered to remember they were out of stock :(

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Jaak_:

I have a problem, my dvd-t card works, but i can't find any channels, i don't know any freq. how do i scan, my country isn;t in the full scan list?

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GreyFoxx:

x86, any particular reason you want a single card with both in and out ?

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juski:

I can't wait to get home to see the little animated alien dude.

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GreyFoxx:

the general recommendation is a PVR (usually 150) for in and an nvidia card for out.

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juski:

time for some gimp-fu

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qu0zl:

IamEthos if you're really that interested check our irw and irrecord, you can see the event codes being generated by the remotes driver. I think some remote protocols may send a slightly different event on repeated keypresses. IE the key code plus a count code, eg blah000 followed by blah001, blah002, for the same key

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GreyFoxx:

Both addup to less money than a 350, and with more flexibility

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x86:

GreyFoxx: if you can come up with a single-in tuner with remote, and a seperate graphics card with TV out all for under $75, i'm open for suggestions ;)

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qu0zl:

but i've no idea what your specific remote is doing :)

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x86:

GreyFoxx: they 350 i was ordering was $60

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x86:

GreyFoxx: after shipping

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GreyFoxx:

x86 that was an amazing deal even if you didn't use TVout

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GreyFoxx:

they are normally much much higher

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toad_:

aha!

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x86:

yeah i noticed ;)

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GreyFoxx:

nowonder they didn't have any after you ordered :)

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IamEthos:

alright, so what is the correct value for volume up and volume down in lircrc. I've tried key = [ and key = ], and I've tried key = F10 and key = F11.... What gives?

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toad_:

I was told to use a window manager because then the tv window will receive keyboard events

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toad_:

which is correct

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toad_:

I was suggested lwm

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toad_:

unfortunately lwm puts a header block on ALL windows

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x86:

GreyFoxx: there is another place i can get it from slightly higher (~$70; shop.com)

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qu0zl:

it's X key code names i think IamEthos

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GreyFoxx:

but I've seen MX440's for under $30, and pvr150's for $$55, so that's close

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toad_:

at least as configured by default

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toad_:

so it's scaling it from 720x576 to 720x550 or something...

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GreyFoxx:

wacky

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GreyFoxx:

I've never seen lwm though

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x86:

GreyFoxx: pvr150 with remote for $55? where? :)

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toad_:

GreyFoxx what do you use? :)

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IamEthos:

qu0zl, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI_Remote_Wonder_II

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IamEthos:

in that configuration, they used F10 and F11...

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GreyFoxx:

x86 I've seen many mention it online, mostly places like newegg and tigerdirect , and pcalchemy having variou ssales

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GreyFoxx:

toad_: IceWM

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IamEthos:

but then again, I can't verify that that configuration works

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qu0zl:

are you sure that f10 isn't the x keycode name IamEthos ?

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toad_:

okay i'll try ice

[15:49:37]

qu0zl:

i don't think [ ] is though

[15:49:40]

toad_:

if that doesn't work either i'll paste the log

[15:49:48]

toad_:

default config will be okay?

[15:50:07]

qu0zl:

hmm , i'm using ' config = [ '

[15:50:24]

qu0zl:

i just checked, so guess [ shouldbe fine

[15:50:31]

IamEthos:

qu0zl, (shrug)

[15:50:35]

GreyFoxx:

toad_: It should work, though I have acustom config with the taskbar turned off etc

[15:50:41]

x86:

GreyFoxx: just checked newegg, and no dice

[15:51:30]

jams:

juski- care if I link to your theme website?

[15:52:02]

jams:

or maybe setup download links for your themes?

[15:53:50]

Beirdo:

oh great

[16:35:34]

Beirdo:

the irclog table got corrupted?

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Beirdo:

wunderbar... repairing now

[16:35:34]

Beirdo:

should take a few minutes...

[16:35:34]

GreyFoxx:

toad_: http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/preferences

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GreyFoxx:

You can comment out the Theme line at the top

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GreyFoxx:

and the DesktopBackgroundImage lines at the bottom

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GreyFoxx:

but it will disable the taskbars and such

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toad_:

mkdir .icewm ; mv preferences .icewm

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toad_:

okay, the black bar at the top is an artifact of tv-out :|

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh yeah there is usally a border that is in the overscan portion of your tv

[16:35:37]

toad_:

http://amphibian.dyndns.org/log.myth

[16:35:37]

toad_:

an interesting fact is that mythfrontend doesn't seem to be using a whole lot of CPU

[16:35:37]

GreyFoxx:

hehe not sure how this would work with the packages version you are running, but

[16:35:37]

toad_:

which suggests it probably isn't a not-enough-horsepower-to-decode-without-xvideo problem

[16:35:37]

toad_:

but if not that, then what?

[16:35:37]

GreyFoxx:

from a commandline try playing one manually

[16:35:37]

GreyFoxx:

mythtv /path/to/file.mpg

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GreyFoxx:

with no backend involved

[16:35:38]

ivor:

and what does "top" show

[16:35:38]

** toad_ tried playing Elephant's Dream yesterday in player, worked fine... **

[16:35:39]

toad_:

okay will try with mythtv

[16:35:39]

toad_:

s/player/mplayer

[16:35:39]

toad_:

will try with myth

[16:35:39]

a1fa:

i found a bug in the svn

[16:35:40]

juski:

guys.. check this out.. http://www.mythtvtalk.com/juski/tv00.gif

[16:35:40]

x86:

DAMMIT

[16:35:40]

a1fa:

its a nasty one

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ivor:

oh dear.

[16:35:40]

a1fa:

if you go and cancel the recording via Cancel this recording

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x86:

that other ~$70 PVR-350 I found on shop.com was a proxy listing for the first place i tried to buy from :(

[16:35:41]

a1fa:

either via web or program guide

[16:35:41]

** toad_ grabs some mpeg via dvbstream to test with **

[16:35:41]

a1fa:

it doesnt cancel the recording.. it sitll records

[16:35:42]

ivor:

juski: the oh dear was for you btw. :D

[16:35:42]

a1fa:

and then when you try to re-enable it or cancel it again

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a1fa:

it crashes the frontend

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juski:

ivor: I felt the same when I saw it

[16:35:42]

juski:

like Tickle Me Elmo – quite amusing for the first nanosecond or so

[16:35:43]

GreyFoxx:

juski: you just pull them into a gif ?

[16:35:43]

juski:

yeah of course

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juski:

open each one as a new layer in GIMP, sort then export as animated gif

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juski:

easy peasy

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GreyFoxx:

a1fa: Hmmmm..... I canceled a recording from the watch recordings screen last night without any troubles... what version are you running ?

[16:35:45]

a1fa:

let me check

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a1fa:

Revision: 12348

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a1fa:

try canceling it via mythweb

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a1fa:

if it is allready recording

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a1fa:

this only happened if the show was in the middle of recording

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toad_:

okay, captured some video from dvbstream...

[16:35:45]

a1fa:

kewl

[16:35:45]

a1fa:

Whats a good HD card for linux

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ivor:

heh, very cuddly: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/01/03/shuttle_unveils_x200/

[16:35:46]

toad_:

the captured video is perfect, so there is no signal problem

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** toad_ will now try with mythtv on the command line on the myth box **

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toad_:

GreyFoxx: perfect video, no sound

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juski:

that shuttle is definitely no mac mini

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toad_:

well I need to check that, 1sec

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a1fa:

=)

[16:35:46]

a1fa:

Can GeForce4 MX 4000 even do HD?

[16:35:46]

juski:

and that statement just made it pretty clear my mind isn't to be changed

[16:35:46]

a1fa:

800 euros

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toad_:

ah that's because i didn't capture the sound

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toad_:

doh

[16:35:46]

a1fa:

juski : know of any hdtv tuners compatible with linux?

[16:35:46]

** toad_ captures some more video with sound **

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ivor:

plenty

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juski:

why doesn't somebody ask somebody _else_ for a change? I don't have all the answers

[16:35:47]

a1fa:

Airstar-HD5000AV-PCI ATSC/8VSB HDTV

[16:35:47]

toad_:

juski: because you answer them?

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x86:

gah

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a1fa:

that looks like most famous one

[16:35:47]

a1fa:

$100

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x86:

mythtv .20 ships with a broken mysql schema :(

[16:35:47]

a1fa:

anybody else know

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x86:

he.ip6.arpa.zone

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x86:

err

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x86:

mysql> CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS jumppoints ( destination varchar(128) NOT NULL default '', description varchar(255) default NULL, keylist varchar(32) default NULL, hostname varchar(255) NOT NULL default '', PRIMARY KEY (destination,hostname));

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a1fa:

x86 : get mysql4

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GreyFoxx:

x86: What version of mysql are you running ?

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x86:

GreyFoxx: 5.0.26

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x86:

a1fa: downgrade?

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a1fa:

yup

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a1fa:

or fix the mysql line

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GreyFoxx:

x86: Just a guess.... gentoo....utf8 enabled ?>

[16:35:55]

toad_:

I only have one tuner, if that's relevant, but afaik i haven't scheduled any recordings

[16:35:55]

GreyFoxx:

toad_: Sounds like you had two issues, and now just 1

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x86:

GreyFoxx: gentoo without utf

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toad_:

GreyFoxx: :)

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GreyFoxx:

1 issue was no Xvideo and increased cpu for scaling the video, issue 2 was you seem to be suffering from the prebuffer pausing issues that a few others see, at this point I have no idea what would be causing it

[16:35:57]

toad_:

"Watch TV in mythfrontend produces unbearably jerky output, says it can't find Xvideo (because of graphics card issues which look very difficult to resolve), and yet did not use loads of CPU"

[16:35:58]

GreyFoxx:

Danial suspects it's port bitrate calculations in the libav* libraries causing the frontend to exhaust the data before it's time to reqwuest more

[16:35:58]

juski:

after seeing that little animated dude I fear for the future of mythtv themes, so I might postpone that retirement plan

[16:35:58]

GreyFoxx:

juski: Hahaha

[16:35:58]

juski:

winamp skinz+++++

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toad_:

in fact, right now it's using 3% cpu ...

[16:35:58]

GreyFoxx:

toad_: Right, now that you aren't scaling the video your cpu usage is almost nothing

[16:35:58]

GreyFoxx:

That warning is a generic warning anytime myth can't open an XV port

[16:35:58]

toad_:

no, it was about 10–20% actually iirc

[16:35:58]

toad_:

anyway it's pretty low

[16:35:58]

GreyFoxx:

you are now running into the buffer starvation

[16:35:58]

toad_:

okay..

[16:35:58]

GreyFoxx:

Try this

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GreyFoxx:

start playback

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toad_:

is this fixed by a more recent version of myth than the one packaged in etch?

[16:35:59]

GreyFoxx:

pause for a moment

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GreyFoxx:

then play again

[16:35:59]

GreyFoxx:

no clue what any distros package

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toad_:

playback? live tv?

[16:36:00]

GreyFoxx:

Yes, livetv

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toad_:

okay, and how do i pause it?

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GreyFoxx:

hit P

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toad_:

okay so if i make it buffered by a few seconds, it may work better ... lets find out ...

[16:36:01]

GreyFoxx:

I'd let it buffer for 5 seconds and then play

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a1fa:

GreyFoxx : did you try to cancel while it was recording

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GreyFoxx:

it should be enough to keep you away from the starvation line

[16:36:01]

Jaak_:

I have a problem, my dvd-t card works, but i can't find any channels, i don't know any freq. how do i scan, my country isn;t in the full scan list?

[16:36:01]

GreyFoxx:

a1fa: Not yet, I gotta update mythweb on my work box first

[16:36:01]

Jaak_:

dvb-t that is sorry

[16:36:01]

GreyFoxx:

a1fa: 348 is actually a long time ago mythweb wise I believe

[16:36:02]

GreyFoxx:

a1fa: xris: did major changes since then

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GreyFoxx:

not sure if they affect what you are seeing though

[16:36:02]

a1fa:

i will update to the newer svn tonight.. i like to gamble

[16:36:02]

brad_mssw:

any idea for dvb channels how to convert a channels.conf frequency,vid,aid,pid into a channel number (and vica-versa) like 51.1?

[16:36:02]

brad_mssw:

(this is ATSC)

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toad_:

GreyFoxx: still jerky

[16:36:02]

GreyFoxx:

Still seeing "prebuffering pause" in the frontend output ?

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x86:

GreyFoxx: 4.1.22 should be ok?

[16:36:03]

x86:

or a1fa ?

[16:36:03]

ivor:

juski: of course there's always the option of hiring an artist to produce a really slick set of graphics for myth.

[16:36:03]

a1fa:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

x86: 5.0.x should be perfectly fine.

[16:36:03]

toad_:

just before the Xv error

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GreyFoxx:

toad_: It's still having starvation issues

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x86:

GreyFoxx: but it's not working

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x86:

GreyFoxx: people in #mysql told me to downgrade also

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toad_:

GreyFoxx: should i try a development version?

[16:36:05]

x86:

GreyFoxx: it seems they changed the data type storage for char and varchar and they both take up more space

[16:36:05]

iresprite:

Is there any compelling reason for me to upgrade my kernel from 2.6.15?

[16:36:07]

GreyFoxx:

toad_: That's all I ever use personally

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toad_:

it's not essential that I get live TV working; it'll be mostly for recording stuff

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Merlin83b:

iresprite: Does your box work at the moment?

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x86:

a1fa: so 4.1.22 should work?

[16:36:07]

ivor:

iresprite: does the changelog list anything that sounds appropriate?

[16:36:08]

x86:

a1fa: or do i need 4.0.x?

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toad_:

this is debian version 0.20-svn20061209–0.1

[16:36:08]

a1fa:

4.1 should work

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toad_:

so that would be about a month old

[16:36:08]

a1fa:

i just noticed xvmc is not enabled on my mythtv

[16:36:08]

toad_:

hmmm

[16:36:08]

juski:

ivor: heh. I have to admit I'm not a natural born theme creator ;)

[16:36:08]

juski:

then again, the first one of them won't be human

[16:36:08]

** Beirdo is STILL waiting for the irclog table to finish repairing **

[16:36:08]

Beirdo:

repairing busted fulltext on a 1.6M row table takes some time

[16:36:08]

ivor:

Beirdo: does that mean we can make slanderous comments without being logged?

[16:36:09]

Beirdo:

hehe, wouldn't count on it

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a1fa:

xvmc doesnt get enabled by default on configure?

[16:36:11]

iresprite:

Merlin83b: yep, my box works just fine.

[16:36:12]

Beirdo:

and it finished

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** ivor hits delete. **

[16:36:22]

Beirdo:

it took 45min

[16:36:25]

Merlin83b:

iresprite: Think you've answered your own question, there :)

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** iresprite grins. **

[16:37:07]

iresprite:

Thanks.

[16:37:35]

Beirdo:

time to check all the other tables in the other DBs, I think

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toad_:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

an apt-get dist-upgrade moved me from mysql 4.0.x to 5.0.x, and I forgot to rebuild indexes

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** toad_ hasn't been able to schedule any recordings either; find a program on the program guide thingy, enter to go to it, no option to record it (several options greyed out); escape and look at scheduled recordings and there are none scheduled **

[16:39:28]

toad_:

there's an option not to record it, which suggests that it has been scheduled for recording already ... except that it hasn't

[16:39:40]

Jaak_:

Any dutch that can help me a bit on dvb-t fta?

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toad_:

oh and the DVD player has some minor problems: only enter works, cursor keys don't work; it's not possible to select an option

[16:41:54]

toad_:

menu option

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toad_:

on a dvd

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juski:

mythtv 0.20?

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Beirdo:

figures, the only bad table was the hugeass one

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toad_:

0.20-svn20061209–0.1

[16:45:15]

toad_:

any reason not to upgrade to the sid version?

[16:46:09]

toad_:

the etch version doesn't work spectacularly well, and the sid version doesn't have any non-etch dependancies right now, so i may as well try it...

[16:46:50]

toad_:

hmmm looks like it's the same source anyway..

[16:48:35]

iresprite:

toad_ this is the Myth internal DVD player you're talking about?

[16:51:23]

toad_:

iresprite yes

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toad_:

hmmm

[16:51:30]

toad_:

i select a program, ask it to record it

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toad_:

it gives me a menu including save settings

[16:51:41]

toad_:

save settings is greyed out

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toad_:

as are the other menu items that might relate to recording a program

[16:52:21]

toad_:

why would that happen?

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toad_:

the recordings directory is owned by mythtv.mythtv and has plenty of space

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juski:

I think it's high time I wasn't here

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** toad_ is an idiot, "Do not record thsi program" is a toggle **

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toad_:

however

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toad_:

however there is probably a better way to make that fact obvious!

[17:05:45]

toad_:

I dunno what it is though...

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ivor:

oh for goodnessake... some websites really do get up themselves...

[17:07:32]

ivor:

my nvidia web login wants be to setup a password... thats 7 characters, must contain alphabetic, numerical AND symbolic characters.

[17:07:52]

quicksilver:

12345a!

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ivor:

and I'll forget it.

[17:08:30]

ivor:

let me put a little post-it on my monitor... there.

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ivor:

I bet it expires every month too.

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toad_:

is lirc used for RF remote controls and not just infrared ones?

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qu0zl:

yes toad_ , although some RF remotes have kernel modules as well. Lirc is still better

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j2^:

Hello! I am running up-to-date fixes-svn, and i would like to try to run a DSM-320RD as a front end. But how the *honk* do i make it see the uPnP-server on the mythbox?

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toad_:

qu0zl: setup with irrecord?

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qu0zl:

or try to find a pre-made config on the web. What remote do you have?

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toad_:

hmmm it looks distinctly infra-red to me...

[17:19:50]

toad_:

the one that comes with the terratec cinergy 1400

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qu0zl:

you need to figure out what remote it is, google for a pre-made config and check that lirc supports it

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caitlin:

hmm, i wish you could do multifunctions based on the number of subsequent keypresses

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qu0zl:

it probably does but it might not if it's obscure/new enough

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caitlin:

i can't work out how to get into a songs properties using the remote

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toad_:

the configured font size doesn't seem to affect anything

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toad_:

how do i increase the font size in the program finder screen?

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quicksilver:

toad_: I believe you have to fiddle inside the theme

[17:38:18]

toad_:

no

[17:38:50]

toad_:

:)

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toad_:

okay i need a cheap RF remote control which works with lircd/myth .. any suggestions?

[17:43:07]

qu0zl:

any reason you particularly want an RF one toad_ ? I've an ati remote wonder II, it's rf and common enough. Not particularly cheap or expensive

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qu0zl:

works with lirc

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Gurft:

Is anyone running the MCE edition of a PVR150 alongside a Retail edition? I'm thinking about adding a second tuner but don't want to run into any major issues....

[17:50:56]

Gurft:

and the MCE is *so* much less expensive

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GreyFoxx:

Gurft: It works fine

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Gurft:

cool beans, looks liek I have a project for this weekend then.

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sabrewulf:

can anyone recommend a cheap semi-modern nvidia PCI-e card that'll do 1280x720 -very nicely-

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toad_:

qu0zl: i'm thinking about RF to minimize space usage, that's all...

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Gurft:

Now my next question. I can't seem to find any info on getting rid of the pink and green bars at the top of my recordings...

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Gurft:

I've hooked up to the new plasma via DVI so I can't overscan them out like I used to...

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fryfrog:

sabrewulf: how about a 6200 or 7300? pci-e $50 or less nvidia card is fine

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fryfrog:

Gurft: I used to use 3x PVR 250 retails with 1 PVR250 MCE and it never cared

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sabrewulf:

fryfrog: would you recommend against MSI? found an msi geforce 6200tc 64mb

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sabrewulf:

or should i go with 128mb or higher for a myth machine

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toad_:

i have a config file for my remote: http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/terratec/Cinergy_1400-T

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toad_:

do i put it in /etc/lirc/lircd.conf or lircmd.conf ?

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GreyFoxx:

sabrewulf: 64mb is fine for most users

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sabrewulf:

well, http://www.supergooddeal.com/ProductDetails.a . . . ;Click=17583 looks decent. see anything wrong with it?

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GreyFoxx:

Are you doing Standard definition TV out ?

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sabrewulf:

GreyFoxx: was going to get a dvi->hdmi converter

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sabrewulf:

so hopefully 1280x720p

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joeyjoejo:

sorry, I meant to say in my problem description that if I restart the backend that everything will be ok

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Web-Kanotix449:

hi all

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Web-Kanotix449:

i'm getting an error when trying to start the backend that goes

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Web-Kanotix449:

Session management error: Could not open network socket

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Web-Kanotix449:

does anyone have any ideas ?

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AdamKili:

i have a VGA to RGB cable for hooking up my computer to the tv, but when i hook it up it's all skrewed up. I've tried different resolutions, it wouldn't let me change the refresh rate in ubuntu, but does anyone know how to use this cable?

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sabrewulf:

does anyone have any experience with imon inside?

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ivor:

what video card

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ivor:

AdamKili:

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AdamKili:

Intel Extreme Graphics 845GV

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ivor:

AdamKili: so you need to find a tv friendly x modeline for it

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ivor:

and check whether it can actually do tv refresh rates

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toad_:

how do i reconfigure mythtv's use of a remote control? what event names does it respond to?

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toad_:

up and down and left and right work at the moment, but nothing else

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toad_:

i can edit the config file, but what to set the names to?

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AdamKili:

ivor: if you don't mind me asking, how? is there a guide?

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ivor:

AdamKili: yup. but i'm on the tain at the moment with limited surfing capacity!!

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ivor:

train

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AdamKili:

ivor: no problem. just tell me when your able. I'll try to stay logged in

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Gurft:

Sorry, had to jump out to change a diaper. So I have this pink/green line at the top of all my recordings. Wasn't a big deal with my old TV, I Just overscanned it out

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Gurft:

now I"m using the DVI output though and it's there on all my recordings

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Gurft:

Can't seem to find anything on the ivtvdriver website about it....

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toad_:

hmmm

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toad_:

it's not going through lirc

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toad_:

if i remove the lirc packages, the remote's up/down/left/right buttons still work

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fryfrog:

sounds like a kernel module is doing it

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fryfrog:

check dmesg

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toad_:

what am i looking for?

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toad_:

Jan 3 04:10:40 localhost kernel: input: cx88 IR (TerraTec Cinergy 1400 as /cla

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toad_:

ss/input/input4

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toad_:

that's it, i'm sure

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fryfrog:

plg and... oh, yeah maybe?

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fryfrog:

is the rf dongle usb or something?

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toad_:

okay so how to deal with that?

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fryfrog:

can you un/plug it?

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toad_:

hmm?

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fryfrog:

sorry, maybe i don'tknow wtf you are talking about then:)

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toad_:

hmmm

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toad_:

no

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toad_:

it's built in to the DVB-T card

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fryfrog:

sorry, for some reason i thought you were talking about that ati rf remote

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toad_:

no

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toad_:

this is an IR one

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toad_:

which came with the card

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toad_:

maybe keytouch can help me ... lets find out... brb

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toad_:

hmmm apparently not

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sabrewulf:

ok, so how do you startx without a mouse

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opello:

`startx`?

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sabrewulf:

if you dont have a mouse attached it exits

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opello:

mine doesn't

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sabrewulf:

hmm

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sabrewulf:

you have xf86config set to use psaux?

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sabrewulf:

oh

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sabrewulf:

interesting

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sabrewulf:

you just have to have the kernel mod loaded if its usb

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sabrewulf:

it fails if open("/dev/input/mice") fails

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sabrewulf:

but

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toad_:

any help with remote controls?

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sabrewulf:

if you load the mod the open() succeeds but read() fails ;p

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opello:

simcop2387: Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"

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opello:

oops

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opello:

sabrewulf: ^

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sabrewulf:

:P

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opello:

hrm, odd

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toad_:

the remote has registered itself as an input device, but the only comprehensible key codes it produces are up/down/left/right; how to fix this? i'm not using lirc

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sabrewulf:

shouldn't you use lirc?

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Gurft:

toad_: Why aren't you using lirc? Is your hardware not supported?

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toad_:

so far lirc hasn't worked despite a correct config file, and i'm not sure how to disable the input device

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Gurft:

toad_: When you boot, do you have any messages in dmesg that show the remove being discovered as an input device?

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toad_:

and the debian packaging of the source for the lirc modules is broken

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toad_:

Jan 3 04:10:40 localhost kernel: input: cx88 IR (TerraTec Cinergy 1400 as /cla

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toad_:

ss/input/input4

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toad_:

yes

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sabrewulf:

does mythtv support the fm tuner on some cards?

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GreyFoxx:

sabrewulf: I don't believe so.

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GreyFoxx:

My wife would love that if it did

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sabrewulf:

hmm

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sabrewulf:

*I* would love that

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GreyFoxx:

especially if it was streamable

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sabrewulf:

sounds like MythFM needs to be written

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Milosch:

indeed

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sabrewulf:

GreyFoxx: as in, pause, rewind, etc

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sabrewulf:

?

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GreyFoxx:

as in playable on another PV or frontend

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sabrewulf:

ooh yeah

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h7-25:

hi all! earlier today i was told that i can choose between multiple recorded audio tracks either via "a single keypress" or the OSD – i checked the osd quite well and i cannot find any option indicating this feature (and i don't know what that single key to press is)

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toad_:

well, is there any way to do it without lirc, or does mythtv require that you use lirc? i suppose if i can remap the keys to other keys then i don't need lirc as mythtv will see them as keypresses...

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toad_:

i'd prefer not to use lirc if only because the debian source package for lirc doesn't work

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toad_:

i mean for the modules

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toad_:

it produces .o's and sticks them in the wrong place – that is, if you can get it to compile at all, which takes some hacking

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Milosch:

so download the source from lirc's site

[19:11:47]

Milosch:

that is what i had to do to get some things working

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toad_:

hmmm

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toad_:

in fact, it looks like it registers both interfaces...

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toad_:

/dev/lirc exists

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toad_:

but irw doesn't work

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toad_:

Jan 3 19:11:12 localhost lircd-0.8.0[24766]: could not open /dev/lirc

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toad_:

hmmm ok so it's lack of modules

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toad_:

so if i install the modules manually (argh, yet another thing to maintain) how do i disable the /dev/input/input4?

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iresprite:

hoom. It looks like my Myth menus are a little larger than my TV screen, though watching recordings is fine.

[19:14:06]

iresprite:

Is this something that's handled at the Myth level or the nvidia settings level?

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kslater:

irespite: usually via Myth settings

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h7-25:

can anyone help me with dual channel audio recordings – especially playing only one audio track plz

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toad_:

lircd versions newer than 0.7.0 support reading events from the linux input layer (via event device). The input layer tools tarball comes with a lircd config file.

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toad_:

hmmmmm

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toad_:

http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Remote_controllers

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toad_:

okay

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toad_:

that should sort it..

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h7-25:

juski: ping

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juski:

er... yes?

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juski:

time to eat.. back in a bit

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h7-25:

juski: dig in!

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h7-25:

juski: after you hopefully enjoyed your meal i'd be thankfull if you could elaborate a little closer on how to choose between different audio channels, as discussed earlier today. (and yes i checked the osd but could not find anything matching that functionality :-()

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kslater:

h7–25 did you check www.mythtv.info and the daily use guide?

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jams:

h7-25- the default keys for cycling through the audio streams is + and -

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kslater:

h7–25 – jams is right – from the FAQ + Switch between audio streams

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toad_:

hmmm

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toad_:

looks like i'll have to configure by hand using irrecord

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toad_:

is there a list of control names that mythtv understands somewhere?

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jams:

kslater- you doubted me ? =)

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_Shadowfax_:

is there anyway to change audio channel in mythtv if you use a dvb-s (saterlite card)

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GreyFoxx:

Hit M to get the onscreen menu, then pick the alternate audio stream

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GreyFoxx:

You can do it with a key, I just don't remember it

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kslater:

nope, was just trying to find it either in the wiki or (as I eventually did) in the FAQ

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kslater:

+?

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juski:

mmm beans on toast. not had that in years :)

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kslater:

that should be enough to prove your British-ness

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kslater:

or is it UK-ness?

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jduggan_:

juski: beans with cheese in is nice

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juski:

English-ness if you don't mind

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jduggan_:

eew english

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jduggan_:

oh well mate

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jduggan_:

nevermind

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kslater:

as you like

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jduggan_:

wont hold it against ya ;)

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juski:

heh. Enough Scots & Welsh folks are vehement nationalists

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toad_:

/home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc tells LIRC what button on your remote does what action. Take a look at it; it's self-explanatory. I'll just show you the part that confused me with this typical example...

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jduggan_:

:p

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toad_:

unfortunately /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc doesn't exist

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juski:

I mean I don't advocate rebuilding Hadrian's Wall or anything like that ;)

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** caitlin gets confused my jump points **

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jduggan_:

aaah build it

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jduggan_:

down with the scots

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Scopeuk:

juski you dont?

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juski:

Scopeuk: nope. just ID checks & compulsory internment

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juski:

:-P

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Scopeuk:

:-)

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** seth|laptop jump points are great **

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toad_:

hmmm

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toad_:

how do i determine whether the debian mythtv was compiled with lirc support?

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juski:

my damned keep-up-with-the-joneses theme gene is playing up now I've seen that little animated dude

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juski:

toad_: it's VERY unlikely that it wasn't

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jams:

toad_- mythfrontend --version

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kslater:

juski needs to animate blootube now?

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jams:

look for using_lirc

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toad_:

juski: mythfrontend: cannot connect to X server

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juski:

if ~/.mythtv/lircrc doesn't exist, chances are it's because somebody didn't put it there

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toad_:

it needs to connect to X windows to tell me the version

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toad_:

1sec

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juski:

kslater: if there was a way to disable the fades without modifying myth code, then yeah, maybe

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jams:

juski- that is the exact reason I stopped themeing for a bit and moved on to my other project

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kslater:

so the menu fades and animation don't play nice together?

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jams:

although chances are I Might revise midnight

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toad_:

using_lirc

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juski:

kslater: no, you have to use opengl to get the animation

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toad_:

okay so it is compiled with lirc

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toad_:

what lirc codes will it recognize?

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kslater:

oooh

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toad_:

is there a list somewhere?

[19:40:51]

kslater:

opengl animation with menu fades

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kslater:

I'll take one

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juski:

and I'm not a huge fan of the fading. let me rephrase that. I hate it

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toad_:

i'm gonna have to configure the remote manually via irrecord, so i need to know what to call them

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kslater:

I sorta like it

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jams:

i'm only going to point to the file, not actually host them

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juski:

jams: I'd rather just have a link to my site

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juski:

I'm not done rearranging everything yet

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jams:

ok

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toad_:

hmmm or maybe it doesn't recognize any codes by default, and hence I have to make a .mythtv/lircrc ?

[19:42:41]

toad_:

is that the case?

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juski:

I wouldn't mind better hosting so I can track how/when/where they're downloaded

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jams:

heh, that was the reasons I wanted to link to the themes. to see how many people downloaded

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juski:

most of the hits I get are from the myth wiki

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juski:

about 50%. the other 50% are folks looking for the s100 stuff

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toad_:

hmmm inputlirc ..

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juski:

I think I'll re-do the projectgrayhem watermarks next & then be done with themes for a while

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caitlin:

what the hell is wrong with this:

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caitlin:

begin

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caitlin:

prog = mythtv

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caitlin:

button = TV

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caitlin:

config = F6

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caitlin:

end

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caitlin:

?

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caitlin:

pressing f6 on the keyboard works

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juski:

caitlin: what does irw say when you press the TV button?

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caitlin:

TV

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caitlin:

0000000080010179 00 TV hauppauge_nova_t_uk

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juski:

caitlin: did you change the lircrc file after starting mythfrontend?

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juski:

it doesn't re-read it

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caitlin:

i restarted the frontend

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juski:

as the right user?

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caitlin:

uhuh

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** caitlin restarts gdm to brutalise the whole lot **

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caitlin:

ok, that got it

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caitlin:

sorry

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juski:

whee redoing the pg watermarks should be a piece of cake.. just re-use the blootube ones

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juski:

recycling rocks

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Cardoe:

juski: you running trunk?

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Cardoe:

juski: recommending gdm to users... --

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juski:

I've only ever run trunk to play with

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juski:

and I'd never recommend gdm to anybody but a masochist

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juski:

wow, for 5 long minutes I thought I'd accidentally deleted my master watermarks artwork

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toad_:

what does "change aspect ratio" do?

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darkdrgn2k:

how good are seagate harddrives

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juski:

toad_: it changes the aspect ratio

[19:58:31]

juski:

toggles between various scaling modes, to stretch a video or not, to fill the screen or not

[19:58:57]

sabrewulf:

hmm, myth2ipod does video, is there an ipod thing for mythmusic that will sync up music?

[20:00:13]

xris:

myth2ipod doesn't put the video onto the ipod, does it?

[20:00:21]

sabrewulf:

it just streams it

[20:00:39]

toad_:

some of which will just clip it down to 4:3?

[20:00:41]

sabrewulf:

but i do want something that will sync my music with my ipod

[20:00:43]

xris:

thought it just encoded (and it uses nuvexport, which now has better ipod support that I don't know myth2ipod takes advantage of yet)

[20:00:48]

** toad_ will try that **

[20:00:51]

xris:

sabrewulf: gtkpod

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sabrewulf:

xris: if it has a commandline version then it should be easy to make a myth gui for it

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sabrewulf:

man, there are so many things i want to do with my mythbox :P

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sabrewulf:

in fact, mythmusic already has the ability to build playlists, so i can probably just patch that

[20:03:19]

xris:

sabrewulf: no clue there. libgpod is the standard for such things, though.

[20:03:26]

sabrewulf:

ahh cool

[20:03:41]

toad_:

are there buttons for volume up/down in mythtv? http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/lircrc-RS.txt only assigns vol+/- to xine

[20:04:15]

sabrewulf:

libgpod supports playlists, smart playlists, playcounts, ratings, podcasts and cover art.

[20:04:20]

sabrewulf:

sweets

[20:04:52]

xris:

and video in the cvs/svn version

[20:04:57]

xris:

but it's just the library.

[20:05:00]

sabrewulf:

xris: http://www.eskil.org/mythtv/

[20:05:03]

GreyFoxx:

lolol

[20:05:08]

xris:

toad_: keys.txt

[20:05:15]

GreyFoxx:

someone upset that myth doesn't properly sort their pre1970 airdates

[20:05:25]

GreyFoxx:

wonder if they have ever heard of epoch :)

[20:05:34]

toad_:

xris: thanks! where is it?

[20:05:36]

** juski cuckles **

[20:05:41]

juski:

or chuckles, even

[20:05:53]

GreyFoxx:

They must have populated the table with their own data :)

[20:05:59]

juski:

I am SO not on the ball tonight, so I'll be staying away from making new tarballs

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xris:

nifty

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xris:

toad_: sudo updatedb && locate keys.txt

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juski:

GreyFoxx: how do you suppose they did that? with original punched-cards?

[20:06:51]

GreyFoxx:

hehe maybe

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juski:

there's a new guy at work who keeps reciting his tale of how he bought MS BASIC from MS on a set of punched cards

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juski:

reckon it'd be a good idea for me to collate all my theme work & back it up. I don't want no theme-envy keeping me busy rejigging blootube

[20:13:11]

GreyFoxx:

well, if anything backups are good :)

[20:13:29]

juski:

yeah – if anything it'll save me ruining my original files

[20:13:33]

xris:

juski: have to get the 4:3/16:9 autodetect working and just make it the default theme.

[20:13:44]

xris:

juski: create an svn server.

[20:13:50]

xris:

or you're welcome to borrow mine if you want.

[20:14:08]

GreyFoxx:

svn would be good

[20:14:38]

juski:

I think the only way for auto-wide to be properly viable would be to have an option for proper wide aspect graphics

[20:14:58]

h7-25:

sorry if this is the wrong place to ask but what would you guys consider a critical temperature for a via c3 nehemiah cpu?

[20:15:02]

juski:

I'm a sucker for rounded edges

[20:15:03]

xris:

juski: well, you'd just have themedir/std/ and themedir/wide

[20:15:07]

xris:

or something like that

[20:15:20]

xris:

h7–25: I'd consider "glowing" to be critical

[20:15:24]

juski:

h7–25: via would say it's prolly about 70 degrees C

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juski:

I've still not got around to testing my heatsink mod properly

[20:15:55]

h7-25:

juski: well i'm at 66°C now :-(

[20:16:29]

juski:

I just take the precaution of never leaving it on all day & all night ;)

[20:16:29]

caitlin:

that's rather hot

[20:16:32]

caitlin:

my passive cooled athlon xp never gets over 40

[20:16:35]

juski:

h7–25: if you've still got the stock HSF fitted I wouldn't worry about it

[20:16:36]

h7-25:

juski: but thats what i plan to do if i can get the fu**** board to shut up :-(

[20:16:47]

h7-25:

HSF?

[20:16:53]

xris:

caitlin: wow. my athlon mp system always ran idle at 60

[20:16:54]

juski:

heatsink/fan

[20:17:06]

xris:

so does my pentium 820 (though those are always hot)

[20:17:07]

juski:

lmsensors can lie, folks. and it often does

[20:17:28]

juski:

don't believe anything but the BIOS until you're sure

[20:17:35]

h7-25:

juski: well the heatsink is stock the fan isn't that damn thing was to loud – i replaced it with some 80mm fan i had around

[20:17:39]

caitlin:

the bios says 23

[20:17:43]

caitlin:

so that's unloaded

[20:17:47]

caitlin:

40 sounds realistic

[20:18:01]

caitlin:

lmsensors says 31 currently, playing mp3s

[20:18:15]

juski:

and that's without arctic silver & such trickery?

[20:19:24]

h7-25:

oh btw these 66° are under heavy load – i'm compiling mythsvn now

[20:19:38]

juski:

anyway xris I think you're right about svn being a good idea. keeping track of 2 themes was bad enough ;)

[20:19:48]

juski:

h7–25: I think you'll be ok

[20:20:34]

xris:

juski: it's just good in general. that's one reason why I wanted to get your themes into mythtv svn.

[20:20:50]

GreyFoxx:

juski: Did you said that to do that animation trick you had to enable OpenGL painter ?

[20:21:10]

juski:

to be totally frank I don't think making me responsible for theme maintenance would be a good idea. I'm too fickle

[20:21:41]

juski:

GreyFoxx: I only assume so, I mean alphapulse doesn't work without it enabled does it?

[20:21:51]

xris:

juski: well, just wanted someone who did good art. heh.

[20:21:54]

caitlin:

i'm just using the cheapest thermal paste i could find and a REALLY big sink

[20:22:03]

caitlin:

scythe ninja

[20:22:04]

jams:

GreyFoxx, juski it works with QT painter

[20:22:10]

GreyFoxx:

ok

[20:22:15]

caitlin:

the side of the case fits on if you press :/

[20:22:17]

juski:

xris: if what I do is 'good art' then I'm flattered. I think I just blunder along & hack

[20:22:30]

GreyFoxx:

I was just gonna say it would take a 1 line patch to allow the OpenGL painter but not allow fades in the menus

[20:23:18]

xris:

juski: better than just about everything else actually included with mythtv

[20:23:26]

seth|laptop:

so has anyone tried the affor metnioned mepo theme yet?

[20:23:37]

GreyFoxx:

juski: Your stuff is good

[20:23:50]

GreyFoxx:

seth|laptop: yeah, looks nifty :) should be nice once it's complete

[20:23:56]

caitlin:

i slapped it on a frontend

[20:24:01]

caitlin:

it seems nice enough

[20:24:23]

juski:

what I mean is, I get distracted by other stuff too easily.. bigger, more shiny shiny... short attention span ;)

[20:24:50]

GreyFoxx:

When it comes to themes that's a good thing

[20:24:56]

juski:

if it won't involve very much work, then I'll still consider it

[20:24:59]

seth|laptop:

actually, I have some news, i like the look of blootube-wide on my set .vs blootube 4:3, I am not sure why, as my TV is 4:3 natively, wide just looks sharper

[20:25:08]

** juski is a lazy bastard **

[20:25:36]

juski:

seth|laptop: if everything still lines up & you don't see any problems, go with it

[20:26:26]

seth|laptop:

well I may just have to restart X, I haven't done so in like 3 months

[20:27:11]

juski:

actually thinking about it, htf could I be such a lazy b? realistically.. jees. HOW much did I do for the cause of mythtv last year? when I look at it that way....

[20:27:29]

seth|laptop:

anyways,no way you are lazy, hehe

[20:27:47]

** jams prepares a backtrace for Greyfoxx **

[20:28:10]

GreyFoxx:

something crashy crashy ?

[20:28:10]

seth|laptop:

people like me are lazy, wait for someone else to make a great thing, and then just use it, .vs actually helping in the developement

[20:28:29]

jams:

GreyFoxx- yes mythgame segfaults when I try to edit the players

[20:28:39]

juski:

I really REALLY should endeavour to sort out my own frontend soon once & for all

[20:29:01]

juski:

I might need a hand to clean up all the mixed lib situation on my backend too

[20:29:06]

GreyFoxx:

jams: ahh ok :)

[20:29:14]

caitlin:

it's really weird having the little MOVING dude in the corner

[20:29:20]

juski:

/usr/local/lib vs /usr/lib/

[20:29:25]

** GreyFoxx should go throuh the trac list and pick off some of the low hanging fruit **

[20:29:28]

juski:

Ewrongprefix :)

[20:30:06]

juski:

I wonder how easy it would be to get the little BBC3 'blobs' & key the background out

[20:30:21]

juski:

I love them little dudes

[20:30:30]

jams:

GreyFoxx- you can add my patch to stop the theme from reloading EVERY time you esc out of the appearance screen

[20:30:30]

juski:

couldn't release em though

[20:32:03]

juski:

apart from the gappy playback issue my frontend had, there's one other thing that annoys me. the time it takes to enter some menus on all my ubuntu boxes. music / video settings – also the amount of time it takes for the frontend menu to come back after deciding not to quit mythtv after all

[20:32:23]

GreyFoxx:

jams: paulh replied already saying he fixed it in 12373

[20:32:25]

juski:

and I know to get to the bottom of that is gonna need some work

[20:32:31]

GreyFoxx:

are you running something before that ?

[20:32:34]

Cardoe:

anyone running SVN trunk?

[20:32:43]

jams:

let me check

[20:32:46]

ivor:

anyone not?

[20:32:54]

caitlin:

me

[20:33:03]

** juski puts his hand in the air **

[20:33:04]

Cardoe:

caitlin: which changeset ID?

[20:33:13]

caitlin:

which who what now?

[20:33:20]

caitlin:

oh, no

[20:33:23]

Cardoe:

I just want a stablish revision # that's been working for someone

[20:33:33]

caitlin:

i was answering the question "anyone *not*?"

[20:33:36]

jams:

GreyFoxx- i'm running 12353

[20:34:07]

GreyFoxx:

jams: ok, I'm running 12360 at home so neither of us have his fix heh, svn up's

[20:34:23]

jams:

yep

[20:34:47]

Gurft:

Anyone run into an issue where you just get a black screen when exiting LiveTV, but ONLY after you've used the program guide?

[20:35:07]

GreyFoxx:

I had my box lockup yesterday, but I'm attributing that to overheating right now

[20:36:18]

GreyFoxx:

actually I already updated my desktop frontend to 12388, I can test it here hehe forgot about that

[20:36:47]

jams:

bah, guess i should have submitted my patch months ago when it first started buggin me =)

[20:36:52]

GreyFoxx:

hehehe

[20:37:09]

jams:

anyway, time to grab that backtrace for ya

[20:37:17]

GreyFoxx:

cool

[20:37:22]

GreyFoxx:

well, not cool

[20:37:25]

GreyFoxx:

but you know what I mean :)

[20:37:52]

GreyFoxx:

exiting out of the appearance menu no longer dropps you back to the main menu

[20:38:33]

jams:

GreyFoxx- i guess you can close my ticket?

[20:38:49]

GreyFoxx:

he did when he replied

[20:39:15]

jams:

oh yeah, now i see it

[20:39:53]

jams:

i was hoping to get my 2nd patch applied!

[20:41:43]

janneg:

Cardoe: 12376 but I see no reason, why HEAD shouldn't be as stable as that

[20:43:27]

Cardoe:

janneg: thx

[20:43:48]

Cardoe:

Now if anyone can figure out why TV is the perfect size on my TV

[20:43:55]

Cardoe:

but any myth config menus span off the sides

[20:44:00]

juski:

overscan

[20:44:10]

Cardoe:

the main menu is fine

[20:44:14]

Cardoe:

the listings is fine

[20:44:22]

Cardoe:

only configuration screens

[20:44:24]

jams:

GreyFoxx- http://jmeyer.us/scripts/gdb.txt

[20:44:24]

juski:

still overscan

[20:44:30]

Cardoe:

The little checkboxs are off the edge

[20:44:36]

juski:

config menus have never obeyed the safe area rules

[20:44:41]

Cardoe:

why would it overscan on the config screens and nothing else

[20:44:58]

juski:

somewhat ironic, eh?

[20:45:12]

jams:

that happens when I try select "Game players" from the settings screen

[20:45:12]

juski:

since you need to enter the config menus to correct it ;)

[20:45:16]

janneg:

it overscans everywhere but all other menues have safe areas

[20:45:57]

Cardoe:

well 16:9 recorded content doesn't overscan for me at all

[20:46:07]

juski:

don't remember seeing much happening in the config menu rework... how's that going?

[20:46:26]

jams:

last i heard dtk was working on it after the summer of code

[20:46:46]

jams:

however dtk is working on a lot of stuff

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JloR:

Hi guys. I was in here earlier today, asking about aspect ratio etc. I think I figured out how to specify which ratios mythtv should use. And now it looks right, except half the picture is black.

[20:49:19]

JloR:

The bottom half, that is.

[20:49:37]

jams:

janneg- i assume you were able to get lighttpd and mythweb running?

[20:50:12]

JloR:

Anyone ever experienced missing half the picture? :)

[20:50:36]

GreyFoxx:

jams: Doh, looks like it happens on my desktop machine too

[20:50:47]

GreyFoxx:

should make tracking it down easier :)

[20:50:48]

jams:

GreyFoxx- good

[20:51:25]

jams:

i have a hunch it started about 3 months when some of the settings code was refactored.

[20:51:27]

janneg:

jams: yes, but differently than you. I set the DB vars in the enviroment and I changed the rewrite rule

[20:51:35]

jams:

but I don't know that for sure

[20:52:01]

jams:

janneg, so the DBvars are in the lighttpd.conf file?

[20:52:20]

janneg:

not directly but yes

[20:52:46]

jams:

hmm, mind sharing?

[20:53:04]

juski:

JloR: remember me saying it's probably a video driver issue?

[20:53:09]

JloR:

yea

[20:53:14]

juski:

and?

[20:53:16]

JloR:

and I'm fairly sure it isn't.

[20:53:44]

juski:

but is mplayer trying to use Xv ?

[20:53:44]

JloR:

but when I play the DVD using mythtv, half the picture is missing.

[20:53:52]

JloR:

Not sure, let me re-check.

[20:54:28]

JloR:

looks like it's using x11

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juski:

if you're running X, it will be

[20:54:54]

JloR:

I am.

[20:55:03]

juski:

but is it using Xv?

[20:55:16]

juski:

try mplayer -vo xv $filename

[20:56:30]

JloR:

hmm, error opening the selected video_out (-vo) device.

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juski:

JloR: also try running mythfrontend with -v playback & see what it says

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juski:

your video drivers & config are still not in the clear ;)

[20:57:32]

JloR:

Hehe :)

[20:57:58]

JloR:

I have no ways of running the mythfrontend with the verbose flag at the moment. Or at least not without taking the furniture where the box is placed, apart.

[20:58:12]

juski:

what?

[20:58:26]

juski:

can't you ssh into the box?

[20:58:29]

JloR:

Hehe :) Took some work placing the box in the rack at the moment.

[20:58:29]

JloR:

yea

[20:58:34]

JloR:

I'm ssh'ing in now

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juski:

export DISPLAY=:0

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juski:

mythfrontend -v playback

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juski:

ta-da

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JloR:

I have mythfrontend starting automagically at the moment.

[20:59:03]

caitlin:

dear lord, the "celebrities" on big brother, are just SO NOT

[20:59:28]

JloR:

I'll see if I can fix a script to start instead of mythfrontend. And invoke it from there.

[20:59:29]

juski:

it won't hurt to have a 2nd instance of mythfrontend running so long as only one does playback at a time

[20:59:47]

JloR:

playback being live TV , right?

[21:00:37]

JloR:

Okay, I started a second mythfrontend, on top of the other.

[21:00:59]

juski:

playback, meaning playback of any kind

[21:01:19]

JloR:

looks even worse now. Hmm.. Let me look through the output.

[21:02:58]

JloR:

VideoOutputXv fails.. I suspect you knew that would happen :)

[21:03:06]

juski:

mmmmyers

[21:03:31]

juski:

lemme take a stab at what kind of VGA card you use.. Matrox

[21:03:41]

JloR:

Ati Xpress 200

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juski:

and you're using their binary drivers or not?

[21:04:05]

JloR:

Yup.

[21:04:09]

JloR:

Binary drivers.

[21:05:08]

JloR:

Yea, difficult. It's onboard.

[21:05:35]

juski:

no AGP slot?

[21:06:17]

juski:

ouchio

[21:06:18]

JloR:

http://pastebin.com/850474 – the bad bad part (I think), from the playback.

[21:06:42]

JloR:

I think I'll try letting X run in 400:300 and see if it likes me any better then.

[21:06:58]

juski:

do you have xvmc enabled?

[21:07:05]

juski:

xvmc won't work on ATI hardware

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JloR:

If it's an xorg.conf parameter, then no.

[21:07:40]

JloR:

Don't have a binary like that either. I don't know what it is, so.. :-)

[21:08:07]

juski:

maybe try a different mpeg2 decoder option in mythfrontend > utils/setup > setup > tv > tv playback

[21:08:19]

juski:

those settings will also apply to the Internal player

[21:08:23]

JloR:

okay.

[21:08:43]

Dibblah:

Is anyone running DVB and seeing skips and jumps in their streams?

[21:08:54]

JloR:

I will just have to reboot the box, I messed up the ratio in mythtv menu as well. :)

[21:08:56]

juski:

Dibblah: I was, with minimyth

[21:09:09]

juski:

on ubuntu I only see like a 1 frame pause now

[21:09:14]

Dibblah:

Hmmm... What version is minimyth?

[21:09:20]

juski:

0.20–21 now

[21:09:24]

juski:

which I've yet to try

[21:09:30]

Dibblah:

Probably not that then.

[21:09:36]

juski:

but the one I had bother with was 0.20–20

[21:09:55]

** Scopeuk is onthe tea again **

[21:10:01]

Dibblah:

I'm seeing oddly repeating CRC errors in the stream and am wondering if CRCs are getting calculated incorrectly again.

[21:10:13]

Dibblah:

PESPacket: Failed CRC check 0xffffffff != 0x9cbe2b22 for StreamID = 0xff

[21:10:29]

Dibblah:

Repeated for both numbers, which seems odd.

[21:12:44]

jams:

bah "mythtv lacks a good professional feel theme" guess that person hasn't looked very hard

[21:13:08]

xris:

jams: need to get blootube to be the default

[21:13:44]

juski:

he changed his mind after my "SOB! huff! huff! Sob! :-("

[21:13:53]

jams:

perhaps

[21:14:01]

jams:

or make the default theme "random"

[21:14:15]

juski:

that's sadly still the general opinion of mythtv's UI out there though

[21:14:32]

juski:

folks say it 'lacks polish'

[21:14:39]

juski:

whatever the hell that means

[21:15:21]

juski:

personally I think it just means it's missing hardware accelerated 'bling' like spinny icons & crap

[21:15:28]

jams:

yep

[21:15:46]

jams:

i think illius would be a good default theme. Looks nice and is very lightweight

[21:15:48]

juski:

but while I think it'd be 'nice' to have that I don't really want it

[21:16:16]

juski:

which one's illius again?

[21:16:51]

juski:

where's mythtv.org gone?

[21:17:29]

moh:

juski: wfm

[21:17:34]

juski:

oof that was slow

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seth|laptop:

what ever happened to this theme http://www.mythtv.org/mythimages/liquidtvmenu.png

[21:18:08]

juski:

typical. illius isn't in the wiki theme gallery

[21:18:16]

jams:

seth|laptop- it went away along time ago

[21:18:24]

seth|laptop:

thats a shame

[21:18:44]

jams:

oops it iulius

[21:18:47]

JloR:

mpeg2 decoder didn't work, nor did changing ratio to 400:300 from 800:600 (just looks great, but again.. with half the screen black). I'll check into my ATI drivers, and hope I can fix the xv issue.

[21:19:01]

juski:

iulius isn't there either :)

[21:19:15]

jams:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . /preview.jpg

[21:19:30]

juski:

JloR: that logging snippet didn't say there was no Xv available

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jams:

not a great shot but it's better then nothing

[21:19:42]

JloR:

Just that it had serious problems using it.

[21:19:58]

JloR:

My mplayer complained a lot over xv. Didn't want to start when I specified xv rather than x11.

[21:20:18]

juski:

moh: what do you mean wfm?

[21:20:33]

moh:

works for me

[21:20:35]

juski:

oh _that_ theme.. yeah it's not bad

[21:21:05]

juski:

I think maybe if the default graphics are reworked a lot of themes would look better

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juski:

my vote for a new default theme would (surprisingly) be Retro

[21:23:51]

juski:

if I wasn't doing mine I think it's what I'd be using

[21:24:11]

juski:

there's a thought.. why not put it to the users?

[21:24:28]

juski:

not that it's that much a deal since it's so easy to change it

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jams:

exactly

[21:25:04]

juski:

oh wait – maybe not such a good idea since some might get the idea it's a democracy & start voting for features themselves

[21:25:10]

juski:

;)

[21:25:18]

jams:

juski I know you meant to say you would be using syth if you didn't have your own theme =)

[21:25:51]

seth|laptop:

i thought that was very dark, as in not bright

[21:26:22]

juski:

projectgrayhem put me off dark themes for good I think

[21:26:25]

jams:

seth|laptop- was that on a computer screen?

[21:26:33]

seth|laptop:

with blootube, I don't need lights on in the living room

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seth|laptop:

jams: yes

[21:26:40]

jams:

it's much darker on a computer screen then on the tv

[21:27:01]

juski:

I can barely even stand to look at pg these days

[21:27:14]

jams:

looks great on a plasma screen

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seth|laptop:

well when I get home tonight, I'll try this mepo, and then 4:3 blootube, after I restart x, to see if that changes anything

[21:28:03]

seth|laptop:

jams: is Midnight code compat w/ .20 and opengl?

[21:28:12]

juski:

at the LW expo I was almost cringing at pg-wide, but user reaction changed my opinion a little

[21:28:26]

jams:

seth|laptop- doubt it

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Scopeuk:

i quite like pg

[21:28:50]

jams:

I stopped maintaining midnight at .19

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juski:

wouldn't take much to bring it up to date

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jams:

might rework the menus and bring it back up to date.

[21:29:15]

jams:

I can't stand horizontal themes

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seth|laptop:

I used that back in the .19 days, my wife thought it reminded her of a fireplace

[21:29:49]

juski:

I once started work on a horizontal theme before having to abandon it because of the ui limitation

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seth|laptop:

nice warm colors

[21:29:50]

jams:

hehehe

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juski:

modeled it on 'front row' a little

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jams:

juski- ding ding didng

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juski:

but since I missed the fact you can have animation in menus now, maybe you can also have a single line of horizontal menu buttons

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JloR:

Hmm.. I really can't see why only half the video is displayed – the other half is black.

[21:31:24]

juski:

JloR: only half the overlay is working, maybe?

[21:31:32]

JloR:

perhaps.

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seth|laptop:

or 2 rows of menu buttons in exactly half, that switch watermarks from left to right dynamically, hehe

[21:31:51]

** seth|laptop ducks **

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juski:

anyway, w.r.t. themes & everything else – there's no accounting for taste

[21:32:04]

JloR:

I'm not too deep in the technical ways mythtv work, so I'm not sure.

[21:34:22]

JloR:

http://pastebin.com/850491 — around line 50, the DVD starts. Around line 140 the xv driver kicks in and there are some suspicious lines about overlay etc.

[21:34:32]

JloR:

if it helps, and if you want to take another wack at it :)

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[Jasper]:

hello

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juski:

I think what differentiates any theme & sets it apart as 'professional' is having well-defined screen areas as opposed to just plonking everything down onto a common background. like in MePo-wide – how the programme details are very neatly partitioned. that's to be applauded

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seth|laptop:

any recommendations on a SATA card? 150 or 300

[21:39:42]

** juski laughs **

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juski:

depends if they use silicon image or not

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juski:

not heard many good things about ole SiL

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mikeswindesk:

Hey will the KWorld Global TV Terminator Deluxe, work with mythtv, and would i need a pretty good computer to run it, or should an old penitium 3 do the trick?

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juski:

will the KWorld Global TV Terminator Deluxe work in Linux, even ?

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mikeswindesk:

thats also a good question

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juski:

I suspect it'll work in linux, but it's not really the right kind of card for the job if you're considering using a clapped-out pentium 3

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juski:

Hauppauge pvr150, for analogue TV capturing – that'd be what I'd recommend

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mikeswindesk:

yea because its software encoding

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mikeswindesk:

well i was just seeing because i got it for free from buy.com

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seth|laptop:

free is good

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mikeswindesk:

yep

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juski:

in this case, free is a millstone around your CPU's neck

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mikeswindesk:

well thanks for the suggestion

[21:49:02]

** seth|laptop preps a playlist for the ZVM for the trip home **

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JloR:

Okay, I'm off for today. I will work on this tomorrow again. Thank you for your help so far juski. I'll be looking into the problem again tomorrow.

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The_Ball:

if i want my frontend to help with transcoding, does the frontend need to run a backend?

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seth|laptop:

yes

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seth|laptop:

a slave backend

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Scopeuk:

3 cheers for myth workign live tv o na frame grabber on a 433 celeron with 128 ram :-)

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The_Ball:

i see, sweet

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seth|laptop:

i have 2 slaves

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seth|laptop:

1 for commflagging, 1 for dvd importing/myth2xvid conversion

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seth|laptop:

both have frontends

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The_Ball:

is it "hard" to have the slave help with everything?

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seth|laptop:

no, follow the basic instructions here : http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=SlaveBackendHowTo

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seth|laptop:

up and running with minimal downtime

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The_Ball:

thank you very much :)

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seth|laptop:

and then check the appropriate boxes for commflagging in mythtv-setup on master and slave

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seth|laptop:

n

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seth|laptop:

er np

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juski:

time to get my weekly fix of Torchwood

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juski:

penultimate episode :)

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[Jasper]:

juski you have video via cat5 right?

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DarkDrgn2k:

what would cause my dvb to only lock on to H

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Dibblah:

"H"?

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DarkDrgn2k:

LoL could i be any more vagure

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DarkDrgn2k:

lets do something a little more understandable

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DarkDrgn2k:

any oen knows what htis means

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DarkDrgn2k:

<DarkDrgn2k> cx88[0]: irq mpeg [0x100000] ts_err?*

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DarkDrgn2k:

<DarkDrgn2k> cx88[0]/2-mpeg: general errors: 0x00100000

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Dibblah:

Well, that would be a problem with your DVB card, by the looks of it.

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DarkDrgn2k:

sa,me dirver

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DarkDrgn2k:

differnt card

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DarkDrgn2k:

it happens when i try to szap

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psofa:

what res are you running on svideo ppl? im running 720x576 and seems quite blurry

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psofa:

my dvd player can do much better via svideo

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artus:

Hi all

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artus:

I have a strange behavior in my myth on FC6

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artus:

the dvb-t and dvb-s channels dont want to work together

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artus:

I have used channel search

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artus:

with both devices

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artus:

but if I want to switch from devices from dvb-s to dvb-t it does not work

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artus:

the signal strength is 0

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artus:

and I need to switch the source with y-key

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artus:

any idea?

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artus:

both sources have same priority

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iresprite:

Two things.

[22:30:17]

iresprite:

Jams: I'm using midnight right now (just discovered it), and I'm really enjoying it so far.

[22:30:28]

iresprite:

(I'm wibbling between that and blootube presently.)

[22:31:08]

iresprite:

And I noticed people in scrollback talking about how the config screens don't obey safe areas. So this is why the nav buttons and a few checkboxes are just off the side of my screen on them?

[22:31:28]

iresprite:

If so, is that just a fact of life for now, or is there something I can do about it?

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iresprite:

psofa: I'm running LiveTV at 720x480 over SVideo and it looks good.

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Anduin:

iresprite: could be a DPI or bad font substitution as well

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Anduin:

iresprite: xdpyinfo can tell you the DPI

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iresprite:

Interesting. I'll have to check that out.

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iresprite:

Hmm. I'm using 100dpi, which appears to be the way to go. I don't know if it's the fonts, though. Right now I'm using the Midnight theme, but that doesn't make much of a difference; just about Aany theme I use will see some widgets off the side of the screen.

[23:05:24]

JoeyJoeJo:

for some reason when my tuner is not used for about 1hr, it stops working altogether...When I try to watch live tv it says that it is recording, which it isn't, and when it tries to record, it doesn't create a file

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iresprite:

what do mythtv's logs say?

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JoeyJoeJo:

let me check really quick

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JoeyJoeJo:

I found this from mythbackend: 2007-01–02 19:53:29.886 Channel(/dev/v4l/video0)::Open(): Can't open video device, error "Permission denied"

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kslater:

sounds like your user doesn't have permission to use the video device

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JoeyJoeJo:

yeah, but thats weird since it works for a while, then stops working, then works again when I restart the backend

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iresprite:

that's pretty weird.

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kslater:

what type of capture card is this?

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JoeyJoeJo:

wintv 500

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JoeyJoeJo:

I just took out a 350 and replaced it with the 500

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JoeyJoeJo:

if that matters

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x86:

JoeyJoeJo: want to sell your 350 cheap?

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ivor:

hmm. boot time up to 59 seconds now I'm net-booting.

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JoeyJoeJo:

x86: I was afk... no, I'm probably going to be using it elsewhere, sorry

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_LM_:

Hi, Is there anyone out here that have any clever suggestions on how to best store TV-series in MythVideo?

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juski:

_LM_: record em, transcode or nuvexport... then slap em into mythvideo, surely?

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juski:

well. time for bed

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linagee:

i have a nice killer feature for mythtv. :-D

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epoch:

you want mythtv to kill people?

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linagee:

epoch: automatic downconverting of old shows

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