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[00:02:15] GreyFoxx: One of the menu's in the WAtch recordings screens allows you to tell it to start traqnscoding
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[00:14:24] xris: caitlin: or press X while watching
[00:15:06] caitlin: it's the watching i want to avoid
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[00:30:27] Ryushin: Okay, I've hooked up a network cable instead of wireless, I'm seeing 20 MB/s transfer rates through it. I'm still seeing prebuffering pauses for HD playback. Is the myth protocol tcp or udp? Would it be better to nfs mount the shares on the frontend and playback from there instead of streaming them?
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[00:47:49] GreyFoxx: Ryushin: tcp
[00:47:57] GreyFoxx: and you can certainly nfs mount it
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[01:16:58] Ryushin: GreyFoxx: I've NFS mounted it, I've created the storage groups on the frontend to match the directories that are mounted. Will the front end play via nfs now?
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[01:22:39] psofa: hmmm
[01:22:41] psofa: QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query
[01:22:41] psofa: Database error was:
[01:22:41] psofa: Illegal mix of collations (latin1_swedish_ci,IMPLICIT) and (utf8_general_ci,COERCIBLE) for operation '='
[01:23:13] psofa: that happens when the eit data contains strange chars
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[01:23:42] psofa: any idea?
[01:23:57] psofa: im using an oldish revision from trunk (must be a month old)
[01:24:34] ** psofa commands himself to check the commits list **
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[01:24:52] GreyFoxx: Ask kormoc when he is around
[01:24:58] GreyFoxx: I know hge's helped people with that before
[01:25:03] GreyFoxx: not sure exactly what it is/was
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[01:25:06] DeathDealer: what is DFP in a nvidia setting
[01:25:20] Milosch: screen type or something?
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[01:26:11] Milosch: i have that set on the desktop here for the flatscreen, but i can't remember specifically what it does
[01:26:50] DeathDealer: DFP is ?
[01:27:31] Milosch: maybe it specifies 'use digital output'
[01:27:35] Milosch: i think so
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[01:29:11] TuxMeister: hey guys
[01:29:33] TuxMeister: i just installed and configured propperly mythtv but a can't see any other channel than the first one
[01:30:22] psofa: DeathDealer, digital flat panel iirc
[01:30:27] psofa: it means dvi iirc
[01:30:32] Milosch: you need to scan for channels or grab them from a listing source using mythtv-setup
[01:30:38] DeathDealer: ahh ok
[01:30:40] DeathDealer: thx
[01:30:40] Milosch: psofa: that's it
[01:31:00] DeathDealer: trying to figure the perfect nvidia setting up a 1080i hdtv
[01:31:26] Milosch: "i totally don't know what that means, but I wont it"
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[01:32:41] TuxMeister: any idea about my problem? i'm using an analog pinnacle pctv stereo grabber
[01:32:42] DeathDealer: what my x.org settings should be for connecting to 1080i hdtv
[01:33:02] Milosch: TuxMeister: ^^
[01:33:31] TuxMeister: what? here in spain things are way more poor than in the states, we don't have any hdtv channel, only dvb
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[01:34:56] Milosch: TuxMeister: you need to scan for channels or grab them from a listing source using mythtv-setup
[01:35:04] Milosch: i don't know if you did that already
[01:35:47] shodan-aw: anyone has experience getting dvb cards up and running ? I'm trying to get video from FTA channels but it's not working, I have asked on #linuxtv and #dvb but no answer for 2 days yet, I read the linuxtv wiki and I think it -should- work, I have installed the drivers from the linuxtv v4ldvb repository, loaded the modules , they detected my card, created the device files, but when I run dvbsnoop or dvnscan I get noth
[01:36:52] TuxMeister: Milosch, i did that when fist ran mythtv-setup and even gets the name of the channels, and then i poppulated the db but i can't change any channel
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[01:37:36] [1]Jack3: hey is Ext3 a good linux FS?
[01:37:42] [1]Jack3: IM gonna install ubuntu on it
[01:37:56] shodan-aw: [1]Jack3, it's pretty much -the- official fs
[01:38:06] [1]Jack3: okay cool
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[01:39:05] Blaksmith: but imho, xfs is better :)
[01:39:07] TuxMeister: Milosch, i'm getting the listings again, and then i'll scan again for channels
[01:39:14] GreyFoxx: though generally xfs is recommended for myth data stores
[01:40:09] [1]Jack3: dang to bad theres no fast partition option
[01:40:11] shodan-aw: other FSs are probably better/ more performant, but ext3 is "tried, tested and true, then tested some more" ;)
[01:40:41] [1]Jack3: this could take a whle to partition
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[01:44:33] [1]Jack3: oh nevermind its also installing stuff haha
[01:44:43] [1]Jack3: so mythtv works with LIRC?
[01:44:59] Blaksmith: hrm.. wonder if I can just replace this 1.2ghz chip with a 1.8 without having to re-do the whole machine.. they are both cellys
[01:45:14] Blaksmith: at least I think the other is a celly hehe
[01:45:26] GreyFoxx: Jack3: Most use lirc to control their remotes
[01:46:36] Blaksmith: oh better yet.. 2.6 hehe not 1.8 lol
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[01:55:16] ** sandeen_ cheers for xfs **
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[01:57:34] shodan-aw: damn dvb is a ***** to get to work
[01:58:44] DeathDealer: who knows alot about hdtv's serious question
[01:59:37] shodan-aw: well I know the answer to this serious hdtv question "will is catch on before 2010" and the answer is no ;)
[01:59:44] GreyFoxx: DeathDealer: just ask, if someone can answer they will
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[02:01:55] DeathDealer: I have a nvidia 6600gt card
[02:02:18] DeathDealer: can I just type in mode 1080i and thats it
[02:02:36] DeathDealer: if I want 1080i resolution on my hdtv
[02:04:28] DeathDealer: 1080i settings in the xorg.conf
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[02:05:14] opello: so i reinstalled my mythtv a while back, and ever since things seem slow (guide, deleting recordings, hitting escape a few too many times and getting to the 'are you sure you want to quit' and hitting no takes at least half a second to go back to the menu vs. the instantly it was before)
[02:05:46] opello: scrolling in the guide 'hangs' for a moment every 4 or so rows, where i used to be able to scroll the whole list without pause
[02:06:30] Ryushin: DeathDealer: Why kind of TV are you hooking this up to? A tube based HD running at 1080i, or a DLP/LCD/Plasma/etc?
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[02:11:08] DeathDealer: 56in DLP HDILA rear projection
[02:11:38] Blaksmith: off-topic question.... what's the easiest way to see what speed this box is runnin at... uname -a isn't showing it
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[02:11:56] DeathDealer: Ryushin you get that
[02:12:47] gurft: Hey, I currently have a PVR150 retail version and am thinking about adding a second tuner. the price on the MCE edition is MUCH less than the retail version I currently have (almost 1/2 price on eBay) Is there anythign I need to worry about, running both a MCE and non MCE version of the card
[02:12:58] gurft: or should I cough up the cash and just buy another retail version?
[02:14:18] gurft: From looking at the cards, the only thing missing from the MCE edition is that it doesn't have an IR port on it, which I already have from my retail version, so that's no big loss...
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[02:14:49] Bodnabucci: Is Chris Petersen in?
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[02:16:28] Bodnabucci: Is anyone paying attention?
[02:16:39] Blaksmith: nope, nobody is paying attention
[02:16:51] alsoconfused: Blaksmith: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[02:16:57] Bodnabucci: Have you seen Xris online?
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[02:18:04] Bodnabucci: Has anyone seen Chris Petersen online?
[02:18:13] Bodnabucci: MythTv Guru...
[02:18:18] Bodnabucci: From Seattle, WA
[02:21:17] Blaksmith: thanks.. oh, this is a 2.4.. I thought it was a 1.8
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[02:23:57] jared555: I know a lot of people here probably deal with pretty big file systems.... if you had a 1TB raid5 array and a 500GB raid5 array, would you put one huge partition on each array or what? (and what file system), will be dvds, music, program files, game backups, etc.
[02:25:00] Blaksmith: so, this 2.8 won't do much more to it.. :(
[02:25:35] Blaksmith: err 2.6.. (bad #'s hehe)
[02:26:19] Bodnabucci: Jared from Tacoma
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[02:26:43] Bodnabucci: What server?
[02:27:14] jared555: Bodnabucci, talking to me about what server?
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[02:30:53] gurft: jared: how are the LUNs carved up in teh RAID arrays? Does the host see them as just one LUN each?
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[02:31:17] jared555: I forget, LUN?
[02:31:18] gurft: jared: If that's the case use LVM to create a volume group out of them, then carve your filesystems on top of that ReiserFS or JFS are both great for large filesystems.
[02:31:31] Bodnabucci: LUNS don't apply to iSCSI
[02:31:40] gurft: yes they do
[02:31:48] Bodnabucci: enlighten me
[02:31:48] jared555: this is just internal RAID arrays
[02:32:14] Bodnabucci: I see RAID as a baseline standard there are other methods
[02:32:39] gurft: When you have an array made up of multiple physical disks, you still carve that physical space into individual LUNS, which are assigned a SCIS LUN ID, this LUN ID is then bound to the MAC address used by the iSCSI initiation in order to present the disks to the specific host
[02:32:43] jared555: gurft, what I was wanting to know was should I just make a huge partition or smaller ones (also, I had been looking at XFS partially)
[02:32:52] gurft: without LUNs, you would never be able to assign multiple disks from teh same array to multiple systems.
[02:33:40] Bodnabucci: That's kind of sounding like DFS now
[02:33:44] jared555: basically this is just a server with 6 hard drives, when I said pretty big I meant compared to average users lol
[02:33:46] gurft: jared: I would make smaller ones and leave yourself room to grow. Use a filesystem that will let you grow. I don't know if JFS filesystem shrinking is available yet on Linux, so I woudl avoid making anything TOO big until you get a handle on how much data you're generating from your recording schedules.
[02:34:15] gurft: Bodnabucci: *very* similar. the final RFC for iSCSI has been compared to DFS on many occasions, just working more at the SCSI level then at the application level.
[02:34:31] gurft: the idea when we worked on teh RFC was to make the iSCSI part look more like fiberchannel and traditional SCSI.
[02:34:43] gurft: the physical layer is just IP instead of FC
[02:34:48] Bodnabucci: Who authored the RFC?
[02:35:08] gurft: Group effort between IBM, EMC, and CISCO
[02:35:12] gurft: I worked on the EMC end of it.
[02:35:20] jared555: well initially most of this is just going to be dvd backups, music backups, game cd/dvd backups, tv series from the internet etc. (will hopefully be running mythvideo off of it) and then eventually maybe I will be able to get a couple tuner cards (the signal in my room sucks for both satellite and tv)
[02:35:24] Bodnabucci: impressive
[02:35:45] Bodnabucci: Jared what type of card are you using?
[02:35:46] gurft: Eh, was before I left EMC to go work for IBM ;)
[02:35:50] Bodnabucci: for vid playback
[02:35:57] jared555: onboard for now :( (linux raid)
[02:36:06] Bodnabucci: you're kidding...
[02:36:18] Bodnabucci: Did your primary card die?
[02:36:38] jared555: no, just couldn't afford a controller card in addition to everything else
[02:36:57] jared555: hopefully I will be able to get a couple pci-e cards sometime soon
[02:37:18] gurft: jared555, what type of processor are you running. With large arrays like that, you might be VERY CPU bound when performing I/O
[02:37:21] Bodnabucci: oh, well did you check with Frys to see if there is a decent card on sale there
[02:37:39] jared555: gurft, AMD 3200+
[02:37:45] Bodnabucci: nice
[02:37:57] jared555: have never gone past about 40% load
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[02:38:07] jared555: other than compiling programs
[02:38:27] gurft: You should be fine then. Just making sure you weren't trying to drive it with a small processor... no one likes choppy video when you're trying to watch LiveTV.
[02:38:29] Bodnabucci: So it's handling onboard proc time pretty well
[02:38:53] jared555: maxing out the PCI bus unfortunately
[02:39:06] jared555: (with either of the two arrays)
[02:39:22] Bodnabucci: I'm kind of taken back on iSCSI practicallly mimiking a standard that has little security....
[02:39:28] Bodnabucci: the M$ standard
[02:39:46] jared555: gurft, what is the advantage of JFS over XFS or the other way around?
[02:39:48] Bodnabucci: block interception if you can imagine
[02:39:59] gurft: I like JFS becuase I work for IBM ;)
[02:40:15] gurft: actually, JFS has *wicked* file deletion times, which believe it or not can be VERY helpful
[02:40:19] gurft: both are good at handling very small files
[02:40:46] gurft: JFS is a little better performance on HUGE files, but unless you're doing HDTV recording you're probably not going to get large enough.
[02:40:46] Bodnabucci: well
[02:40:59] Ryushin: It seems that SVN from a couple of weeks back, requires a lot more cpu to playback HD. Not sure about current svn. I'm compiling now. Is anyone using current svn and playing back HD fine?
[02:41:05] jared555: biggest will probably be 4–8GB
[02:41:10] Bodnabucci: Actually, HD is what I'm interested in...
[02:41:12] Bodnabucci: VOD HD
[02:41:23] jared555: unless I am making a backup of one of my computers
[02:41:27] gurft: Yea, you'll se a performance difference when you get to to 200–300Gb filesize.
[02:41:36] gurft: belwo that you shoudl be good.
[02:41:53] Bodnabucci: Have you any experience with Bluelaser backups?
[02:41:55] jared555: anyway to get write performance much over 40MB/sec with 3x drives in RAID5 on the pci bus?
[02:42:42] Ryushin: I actually moved away from RAID and I'm using storage groups now. I'm getting better performance with storage groups. I have recordings on 4 hard drives and one NFS mount.
[02:42:45] jared555: Bodnabucci, no, the writers cost a little over half what I spent on the server (not counting parts I got free/massive discounts)
[02:43:17] Bodnabucci: have you been to Frys before?
[02:43:21] gurft: jared555: since you've already made the investment in the disks, probably not. Youc ould get more performance buying disks with a larger cache, but that's about it.
[02:43:27] gurft: I'm off for the night, catch you guys later.
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[02:43:44] jared555: gurft, 16 meg cache 7200.10 500GB seagate drives
[02:43:50] jared555: and he left
[02:46:22] Bodnabucci: Wait till Xris gets on, he's smart
[02:46:36] Bodnabucci: Jared have you checked out Frys Electronics deals?
[02:47:50] Bodnabucci: Have you been out to Frys in Issaquah, WA?
[02:48:08] Bodnabucci: You should try integrating a SUSE server instead of Gentoo...
[02:48:29] Bodnabucci: Better Enterprise level performance with MythTv
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[02:49:45] Bodnabucci: Sarah the 80's song plays in my mind
[02:49:58] SarahEmm: i bumped the keyboard on one of my frontends lastnight, and i must have hit something.. ever since, it records anything i watch on LiveTV into a .nuv file in its video directory, but doesn't add it to the database in any way (so doesn't show up in current recordings)... any ideas what i did or how to stop it?
[02:50:20] scopeuk: that sounds liek the live tv buffer
[02:50:28] scopeuk: might be mistaken
[02:50:32] SarahEmm: it's not
[02:50:35] scopeuk: ok
[02:50:35] Bodnabucci: Jared:We'll talk more about this...
[02:50:44] SarahEmm: it's actual properly-named recording .nuv files, not just the ringbuffer files...
[02:50:54] SarahEmm: and they don't go away, ever. unless i go into the filesystem and delete them
[02:50:55] Bodnabucci: Jared:I think you are on the right track to getting things implemented...
[02:51:01] SarahEmm: just noticed today i had more disk used than i should have..
[02:51:22] Bodnabucci: For home use its fine, professional use will demand something far more robust...
[02:53:05] Bodnabucci: Jared don't worry.....
[02:53:19] Bodnabucci: :)
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[02:54:20] SarahEmm: is there a key to press to record what you're currently watching on livetv?
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[02:54:42] Ryushin: Upgrading to current SVN didn't fix the issue.
[02:56:07] SarahEmm: found it, 'r'
[02:56:13] SarahEmm: even if i say 'cancel record' it won't stop now :/
[02:56:32] SarahEmm: this seems like the last straw.. time to get rid of this setup and rebuild it from scratch.
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[02:59:05] SarahEmm: oooh. i misunderstood, in 0.19 they stopped the old ringbuffer method and now do it using real recording files when you watch live tv :)
[02:59:19] SarahEmm: so the issue is that it's not deleting old live tv files... hrm.
[02:59:49] SarahEmm: anyway, i think i've got to the bottom of this now. thanks for the poke in the right direction scopeuk! :)
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[03:05:09] jared555: 256KB about the max chunk size on a raid array you should use?
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[03:18:18] Jazbo: High folks I'm using a PVR250 capture card and video looks sort of washed out (green or purple fringes at the edge of objects). Any thoughts on how to fix this?
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[03:19:26] tcpsyn: I have a dvd of some live performances that I'd like rip and put up on youtube, I'm tring to use dvd::rip, but no matter what settings I try, the encoded file always has serious a/v sync issues. Anyone use something else?
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[03:22:12] jared555: don't know on linux, I know a couple on windows
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[03:22:39] DarkDrgn2k: Ok my IVTV playback jitters ever few frames
[03:23:07] DarkDrgn2k: simtimes it seems like the picture gets redrawen 1/2 way up the screen for a single frame
[03:23:09] DarkDrgn2k: any idea?
[03:23:22] Jazbo: DarkDrgn2k: what is your capture card?
[03:23:34] Jazbo: DarkDrgn2k: sorry i mean video card
[03:23:34] DarkDrgn2k: ivtv
[03:23:35] DarkDrgn2k: pvr150
[03:23:45] DarkDrgn2k: umm this one is a ATI Radeon
[03:24:05] Jazbo: DarkDrgn2k: I would bet that is the source of your problems
[03:24:21] DarkDrgn2k: Jazbo: where do i set capture specs for live tv?
[03:24:51] Jazbo: DarkDrgn2k: If you play a video using say xine, is it still jittery?
[03:25:08] DarkDrgn2k: not think so.....
[03:25:15] DarkDrgn2k: nothign else is jittery lol
[03:26:31] DarkDrgn2k: what better.. rjpeg or mp4
[03:26:40] jared555: one or two revisions old ATI drivers have tons of problems for me, it is like it isn't clearing the memory right and sometimes like with rdesktop I would see images firefox had open, etc.
[03:26:53] Jazbo: If nothing else is jittery, I'm not sure what the problem would be. If all video playback is jittery then you may have a problem with the drivers for your video card. ATI cards don't play so nice with linux...
[03:27:03] periscope: Hey guys, I was hoping someone would be willing to offer advice to a MythTV Newb... I just got my Athlon 1700 up and running with Fedora Core 6 and want to use it as a media machine.
[03:27:22] DarkDrgn2k: jared555 its an older 7200 model..
[03:27:30] periscope: I was looking at buying a Hauppage WinTV-PVR-350 to use as for a capture card. Is that a good one, or are there other brands/cards I should consider instead?
[03:27:35] DarkDrgn2k: jared555 its workd flawlessly for the most part
[03:28:03] DarkDrgn2k: in myth liek ver 17 i think it was you could specify LiveTV paramaters for viewing.. can you do that still?
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[03:33:40] periscope: Also, if anyone knows a good source for buying cards, I would love to hear recommendations. Pricegrabber showed me that J&R had them cheapest, $130, but I sorta doubt I could find them for less.
[03:34:07] periscope: That is, the Happauge card, but maybe there are better cards out there too.
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[03:39:54] Inssomniak: 2006-12–30 21:00:33.774 LiveTV forcing JumpTo 1 <---- what causes about a billion of these to happen, during live TV, sometimes 10 minutes after, sometimes not for hours
[03:41:45] fryfrog: periscope: pvr 150 would be better way to go
[03:41:54] fryfrog: periscope: paired with a $30–50 nvidia card
[03:41:58] fryfrog: w/ tv out
[03:43:49] DarkDrgn2k: fryfrog: what a good nvidea card
[03:44:17] periscope: fryfrog, why is that? Is the 150 more economical? Currently I have an ATI Radeon 7000 w/ S-Video Out, would that be an acceptable output?
[03:45:31] Jazbo: Using PVR250 I video looks washed out; I can tell from playing with my captured videos using avidemux that luma and chroma need to be shifted. Is there a way to apply this shift preferably during capture?
[03:46:07] fryfrog: periscope: sure, if you already have an ati card you can try it. nvidia's drivers tend to be spiffier, but ati is now not *that* far behind
[03:46:15] fryfrog: DarkDrgn2k: 5200FX is a decent choice
[03:46:24] fryfrog: I use a Ti 4200 in mine
[03:46:41] fryfrog: anything 4000+ would be fine, in theory
[03:46:51] fryfrog: 5xxx you can still find, 6xxxx for sure
[03:46:57] fryfrog: 7xxx might even be cheap enough too
[03:47:00] DarkDrgn2k: fryfrog: sugest anything that does hdtv
[03:47:12] fryfrog: i do hd with my 4200
[03:47:17] DarkDrgn2k: (lol im using GATOS wiht old ati 7200)
[03:47:29] fryfrog: i mean... HD isn't *that* much of a stretch resolution wise for any video card
[03:47:44] fryfrog: i do 1280x1024 even back in the gf2 days
[03:47:54] fryfrog: and that is more than 720p and *almost 1080p
[03:48:18] fryfrog: you can get the 6200 cards for what, like $40?
[03:48:28] fryfrog: a 5200fx used for like $20 i'd imagine?
[03:50:07] periscope: fryfrog, lol, I am kinda trying to build this machine on the cheap. What I have so far cost me a total of $50, plus an old HD and ATI card I had lying around.
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[03:51:03] periscope: But i figure the thing I need to be the most careful choosing will be my TV Capture Card.
[03:51:54] DarkDrgn2k: periscope: if the ati card is old u need to get a hacked driver......
[03:52:00] DarkDrgn2k: periscope: to get video out to work
[03:52:09] DarkDrgn2k: periscope: i cant get my images centered ieether.. but it DOES work
[03:53:19] periscope: DarkDrgn2k, thanks for the tip. I will make sure I keep that in mind when I get to that stage of my project.
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[04:00:09] DarkDrgn2k: periscope: what radeon u got?
[04:01:34] DarkDrgn2k: any one know h wo to configure if my livetv records mpeg4 or rjpg
[04:02:18] DarkDrgn2k: periscope: my notes on how to install the GATOS tv-out files into our X.Org http://pastebin.ca/297533
[04:02:20] Bogus8: installing knoppmyth and I'm reading the wiki and it says note: For Knoppmyth R5B7, the /cache parition is no longer required.... does this mean for R5B7+ or just that one for some reason?
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[04:03:21] periscope: DarkDrgn2k, ATI Radeon 7000 w/ 32 MB SDR Memory, built by Sapphire (off-brand?)
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[04:09:12] DarkDrgn2k: periscope u might need it look at my notes.. good luck
[04:09:23] DarkDrgn2k: VESA mode works perfectly.. but u get no acceleration
[04:09:48] DarkDrgn2k: so you NEED gatos cause ther are No driver for anything belop like 9000 series
[04:11:05] periscope: DarkDrgn2k, what do you mean, look at your notes? I am a complete newb, so I have to also look up what VESA and gatos is, haha, sorry.
[04:11:17] DarkDrgn2k: http://pastebin.ca/297533
[04:11:19] IamEthos: okay, so I was just told that hardware-encoding cards are NOT the way to go
[04:11:27] sandeen_: why
[04:11:28] IamEthos: and before I was led to believe that they are
[04:11:30] IamEthos: so what's the deal?
[04:11:35] DarkDrgn2k: VESA is old dos VGA mode.. everythitg will draw SLOWLY
[04:11:38] periscope: Eh? I was told hardware was definitely the way to go
[04:11:58] DarkDrgn2k: GATOS is drivers for old ati cards
[04:12:17] periscope: oh, a yum command... I know how to use that :-D Thanks for the link
[04:12:28] IamEthos: the argument is that with hardware encoding, you have no control over how it is encoded.
[04:12:29] DarkDrgn2k: lol
[04:12:43] IamEthos: which is apparently a bad thing
[04:12:57] periscope: I am a Linux newb and a hardware novice, so this project will be taking me longer than the normal person... but hopefully I will learn something from it
[04:13:18] Inssomniak: what ways are you folks using for sync on vertical refresh?
[04:13:30] IamEthos: my response to that would be "Why do I care how it is encoded, as long as it looks good on the other end?"
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[04:14:50] DarkDrgn2k: so any one know if i can change mpeg4 to rjpeg for live tv
[04:18:28] IamEthos: and is it not possible to bypass hardware encoding on a WinTV PVR 500, for example?
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[04:31:16] periscope: Does anyone have experience with the Pinnacle PCTV MCE Companion?
[04:32:33] IamEthos: nope
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[04:35:48] [1]Jack3: hey guys
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[04:36:25] Inssomniak: getting proper modelines? What should the refresh rate be?
[04:37:08] Inssomniak: I tried a 480i modeline for my display device but that didnt work correctly
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[04:38:58] GreyFoxx: IamEthos: I know on the 250/350's you could pull a raw YUV video feed but I don;t believe you could get a "raw" audio feed. Though I never tried
[04:39:02] ** SeaWeed Thanks To All who helped me mythtv Up and running Thanks very much **
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[04:51:56] [1]Jack3: so for those of you using Ubuntu, what GUI is it running at default?
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[04:52:06] Jack3: gnome?
[04:52:11] briand: depends on the distro
[04:52:20] briand: fluxubuntu, kubuntu, etc
[04:52:27] briand: (flux and kde, respectively)
[04:53:07] Jack3: i think i got Edgy
[04:53:13] Jack3: i dunno if thats adistro though...
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[04:57:44] Milosch: gdm and gnome-desktop i think
[04:58:06] Milosch: but I changed mine to run gdm and windowmaker instead
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[05:08:44] Jack3: ok i a bit cnofused
[05:08:50] Jack3: http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php
[05:08:55] Jack3: i was trying to follow that
[05:10:04] Jack3: ugh
[05:10:07] Jack3: i keep getting this eror
[05:10:13] Jack3: unknown error excuting gpgv
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[05:11:01] tcpsyn: Even though I have myth set to record 24 at any time on any channel, do you think it will be able to pick up the two hour premier?
[05:11:10] tcpsyn: or will it only record one of them?
[05:11:15] simcop2387-tv: well this is fun, chatting in 720p
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[05:11:50] Jack3: lol
[05:14:40] simcop2387-tv: now what to do, deal with the overscan of my parents tv, or correct for it via the modelines...
[05:15:26] Inssomniak: how are you guys dealing with the ugly VBI lines at the top of some channels?
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[05:16:18] Jazbo_: I'm getting washed out video with the PVR-250. Any suggestions?
[05:16:44] xris: more contrast, less brightness
[05:18:17] Jazbo_: xris: can't be resolved by adjusting contrast, brightness, hue or color...
[05:18:38] xris: sounds like a hardware or signal problem, then
[05:18:39] Jack3: hmm question
[05:18:39] Jack3: http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php
[05:18:51] Jack3: sudo -s -H
[05:18:51] Jack3: mkdir /root/.tzap
[05:18:51] Jack3: scan /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/dvb-t/uk-WinterHill > /root/.tzap/channels.conf
[05:19:02] Jack3: how do i know what to do for my vid card?
[05:19:39] simcop2387-tv: Inssomniak, i used to see them for a bit on my 150, but after i powered off and let the firmware reload it never showed up again
[05:20:37] Inssomniak: I dont use a 150 or any analog cards, they are present on both my dvb cards and my atsc cards, using the overscan option gets rid of them, but its busted, the screen flickers and I get a green flashy bar on the bottom
[05:21:07] Jazbo_: xris: not a signal problem 'cause video looks fine when I plug cable directly into tv. It seems like the pvr250 is supposed to work well with mythtv. By "hardware problem" do you mean the card is defective?
[05:22:24] xris: yes
[05:22:41] simcop2387-tv: Inssomniak, hmm not sure what to do in that case...
[05:22:43] xris: or your encoding parameters are somehow messed up.
[05:22:54] xris: have you tried to watch tv on the card outside of mythtv?
[05:23:36] Jazbo_: xris: hmmm one sec
[05:23:53] toad-six2: xris – as an FYI, i've been playing around with nuvexport, and found that regardless of the CBR i select while exporting to XviD, the resultant files were always being created w/ 200kbps
[05:24:15] xris: toad-six2: upgrade nuvexport
[05:24:28] toad-six2: it turns out that the ffmpeg i'm using expects the parameter to be -b instead of -bit_rate
[05:24:28] xris: you're using a version too old for your ffmpeg
[05:24:32] toad-six2: haha
[05:24:50] toad-six2: i just changed the XviD.pm file
[05:24:58] toad-six2: and it's working as expected
[05:25:08] kyler__: I'm having trouble with a corrupted EPG on Myth v0.20. A few channels have swapped data or have none at all when they should. ( PVR 150, Ubuntu Edgy, x86_64, mysql 5.0.24a )
[05:25:22] Jack3: hey guys, noob question about ubuntu, but is there a filesystem GUI or what?
[05:25:27] xris: kyler__: wipe the program data and rerun mfdb
[05:25:46] kyler__: tnx :)
[05:25:53] xris: Jack3: that depends on which window manager you use. kde and gnome both have them
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[05:26:32] Jazbo_: xris: when I just `cat /dev/video0 > test.avi` then view with xine I still get washed out video
[05:26:53] Jack3: xris
[05:26:56] Jack3: where i might i find it
[05:27:00] xris: it's an mpg, not avi... but you need to change things like bitrate, etc.. there are ptune* utils that come with ivtv
[05:27:17] xris: Jack3: "it"? it depends on which window manager you use.
[05:27:24] xris: more of a #ubuntu question, though
[05:28:06] Jack3: oops i meant to say Gnome
[05:28:43] xris: gnome isn't an "it" — it's a collection of stuff that makes up a desktop environment (default one for ubuntu, too, btw)
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[05:29:15] simcop2387: anyone know a good way for finding the geometry of a window?
[05:29:36] xris: simcop2387: some window managers display it automatically
[05:30:24] Jack3: eek sorry xris again lol I mean to say" I am using Gnome, so where might i find the Filesystem GUI"
[05:30:39] simcop2387: xris: yea but fluxbox is doing some adding and subtracting to it that i want out of the way :) i'm trying to find the info for working around the tv's overscan
[05:30:49] xris: Jack3: click on the "Computer" icon on the desktop?
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[05:31:52] Jack3: there isnt such an icon on mine
[05:32:02] Jack3: oooh
[05:32:04] Jack3: its under places menu
[05:32:05] Jack3: haha
[05:32:07] kyler__: xwininfo and click on window
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[05:33:08] simcop2387: xwininfo, thats the one i was looking for, thanks kyler__ i was messing with xprop trying to figure it out
[05:33:18] kyler__: np
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[05:40:44] Jack3: hmm
[05:40:48] Jack3: any ideas what this might mean
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[05:41:14] Jack3: main:2247: FATAL: failed to open '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0' : 2 no such file or directory
[05:41:57] Jack3: this happened when I ran the command scan /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/atsc/us-cable-standard-center-frequencies -QAM256
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[05:44:53] Ross_C: Jack3: do you have a /dev/dvb/adapter0 dir?
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[05:45:56] Jack3: no haha, i dont know what that is...
[05:46:26] xris: Jack3: what are you trying to do?
[05:47:01] Jack3: watch tv, http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php
[05:47:54] xris: Jack3: looks like that's only good for dvb setups
[05:48:00] xris: which you don't have if you're in the US.
[05:48:13] Jack3: oh crud lol
[05:48:28] Jack3: so ill just skip that and install myth tv?
[05:48:43] DVBMark: welp xris heh went looking for that kbd tonight and only found the kbd no ir rx heh. so didn't get it yet lmao will check Compusa tomorrow, Best Buy only has the kbd lol
[05:48:49] xris: Jack3: yes
[05:49:19] xris: DVBMark: good luck with it. kormoc got some of it working with the kernel module, though it killed his blaster.
[05:49:46] DVBMark: lovely heh, hoping progress develops on it, looks like a nice kbd
[05:49:53] DVBMark: but dunno what ir sensor to get for it
[05:49:58] DVBMark: will see if compusa has anything
[05:50:04] xris: it's teh one that comes with the mceusb2 remote
[05:50:09] DVBMark: wonder if it would work with rc5 protocol
[05:50:22] DVBMark: didn't even see a mce remote there but surely compusa has something
[05:50:34] DVBMark: if not there is a PCClub right by there
[05:50:37] DVBMark: surely they have something
[05:50:46] DVBMark: wasn't wanting to order anything heh wanted to work on it here lol
[05:51:03] Jack3: hey did you guys check out my pc ir circuit ? http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/208/pciron7.gif
[05:51:21] Jack3: it should work easier then serial power/adapter power
[05:52:15] xris: DVBMark: buy.com  :)
[05:52:21] DVBMark: nice, trying to stay away form serial though to keep interrupts free heh
[05:52:21] xris: or newegg, or ....
[05:52:26] DVBMark: ya xris lol
[05:52:40] xris: the remote is worth getting, even if the kb doesn't work in the short run.
[05:53:34] DVBMark: nice to hear, anything I can program into my harmony is worthwhile, so hopefully compusa has it heh
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[05:54:50] xris: ahh.. if you already have a harmony, that may be better. heh
[05:55:08] DVBMark: yup got an 890 and parents have an 880
[05:55:14] xris: nice
[05:55:20] DVBMark: I needed RF since my main be/fe are in a server closet
[05:55:29] xris: I can't justify shelling out that much for a remote. heh
[05:55:33] DVBMark: but need a good ir rx and remote to program from
[05:55:42] DVBMark: currently use a nexus dvb remote code
[05:55:49] DVBMark: it was birthday present lol
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[05:55:54] DVBMark: I can't justify it for myself either lol
[05:56:04] DVBMark: I want their new one, dunno the model but it is fully touchscreen heh
[05:56:15] eiggirC: is it okay to ask about nuvexport in this channel?
[05:57:19] xris: yes
[05:57:30] xris: as long as you're exporting for personal archiving
[05:57:43] xris: (fyi, it's an official part of mythtv)
[05:57:54] eiggirC: yup yup – my wife travels, and she wants Lost on her palm TX
[05:58:04] eiggirC: these have been aired FTA
[05:58:19] eiggirC: anyway – I have a cutlist, and have transcoded the episode inside mythtv
[05:58:35] eiggirC: when I run nuvexport from the command line it complains these three lines
[05:58:38] eiggirC: Argument "0.0000:1" isn't numeric in numeric eq (==) at /usr/local/share/nuvexport/mythtv/nuvinfo.pm line 196.
[05:58:41] eiggirC: Default resolution based on 0.0000:1 aspect ratio.
[05:58:43] eiggirC: Illegal division by zero at /usr/local/share/nuvexport/export/generic.pm line 183.
[05:58:45] xris: upgrade nuvexport
[05:58:53] eiggirC: okay will do
[05:59:05] eiggirC: I'm still running mythtv 0.19-fixes
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[05:59:27] Jack3: okay this is weird
[05:59:43] Jack3: i have my computer pluggd into my projector thru vga, and it cuts off part of the screen
[05:59:47] Jack3: any ideas how to fix that?
[05:59:48] eiggirC: Jack3: whats up?
[05:59:55] eiggirC: thats not uncommon
[06:00:05] eiggirC: Jack3: what resolutions does the projector use
[06:00:13] eiggirC: and what resolution are you feeding it?
[06:00:35] xris: eiggirC: you may be out of luck, then.
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[06:00:59] xris: *might* be able to take nuvinfo.pm from 0.4 and use it in 0.3, though.
[06:01:11] Jack3: oh it may be something like that? I could just change the resolutions til it works?
[06:01:16] xris: Jack3: fix the resolution?
[06:01:20] eiggirC: xris: okay thanks dude – you're awesome!
[06:01:43] Bogus8: I'm installing knoppmyth and in the wiki it says to run some "install-" stuff but I don't have those scripts on my install... is there an updated list of what scripts I should run?
[06:01:53] xris: eiggirC: versions from 0.5 onward will *hopefully* not be tied too strongly to mythtv versions anymore.
[06:02:10] xris: but will need at least .21
[06:02:52] The_Ball: anyone experienced that when switching to console (ctrl-alt-f1) mythtv stops playing and hangs when going back (alt-f7) ?
[06:03:55] The_Ball: btw, this seems to happen when using opengl
[06:04:29] Jack3: eek i had to use 640x800 for it to work lol
[06:04:30] toad-six2: eiggirC – i know your pain...took me about a month to get from .19 to .20
[06:04:38] xris: The_Ball: wouldn't surprise me that it does that, but never tried.
[06:04:41] toad-six2: granted, i didn't have much time to work on it
[06:04:42] xris: Jack3: weird
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[06:04:54] The_Ball: xris, ok, but it was fine without opengl
[06:05:04] xris: The_Ball: could be something in the GL drivers.
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[06:07:11] ** xris appreciates the Brits for adding an extra 4 ounces to their pints. **
[06:07:29] ** xris ALSO appreciates this american brewery for honoring that size in its bottles. **
[06:07:41] Jack3: okay i screwed something when installing mythtv
[06:08:10] Jack3: a box popped up about mysql password, and i put in the wrong one, and now it gives me an error about Sub Process /usr/bin/dpkgreturned an error code
[06:09:20] xris: Jack3: so try it again with the correct password
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[06:12:55] Jack3: i tried installing again but it just says its installed and still gives the error
[06:13:01] Jack3: no mysql popup
[06:13:10] xris: Jack3: apt-get remove ....
[06:13:54] Jack3: ok, sorry I don't know much about ubuntu
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[06:16:56] Jack3: ugh
[06:17:02] Jack3: it gives me errors when removing as well
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[06:19:32] xris: Jack3: why use ubuntu if you're not familiar with it?
[06:19:52] Jack3: everyone recomended it lol
[06:20:19] Inssomniak: does anyone have a strong understanding of xorg and how it deals with modelines, modes, and shcrap?
[06:21:17] eiggirC: is 1.78 fps rather slow for nuvexport ? the machine is a P3 at 1133 MHz
[06:24:49] xris: eiggirC: with denoise, that sounds about right for the slow proc
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[06:25:01] xris: depends on a lot of variables, of course...
[06:25:07] eiggirC: xris: yeah – I need better machines
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[06:25:22] eiggirC: xris: thats my backend, and its transcoding a recording too
[06:25:28] eiggirC: which is why its so slow
[06:25:29] Jack3: okay tell me this, is there anyway of like restoring ubuntu to its original condition, like a system restor so i can just start doing this all over
[06:25:51] eiggirC: and I have two other boxes running nuvexport, so the backend is sharing the nuv files via nfs
[06:26:01] xris: eiggirC: it's just slow, too... latest version has *some* speed improvements in dual pass mode, but not much.
[06:26:14] xris: Jack3: not really
[06:26:20] Jack3: damn
[06:26:24] eiggirC: xris: fair enough – I should buy the wife a new desktop and pinch her one :)
[06:26:24] xris: Jack3: what distro are you most familiar with?
[06:26:29] Jack3: mandrake
[06:26:54] eiggirC: Jack3: why can't you use mandrake then?
[06:27:02] xris: Jack3: you mean mandriva? why not use mandriva, or at least fedora so you can be familiar with the package management tools?
[06:27:21] Jack3: yes mandriva*
[06:27:38] Jack3: well I was going to but i asked around here and most people said ubuntu was better so i dl;d that
[06:28:16] xris: Jack3: tell me who it was and I'll slap them. The correct response for best distro is "whatever you're most familiar with"
[06:30:15] Jack3: lol sorry i dont remember the names
[06:31:12] eiggirC: here's a mysql question – does this insert line look right to add a new record to the settings table?
[06:31:15] eiggirC: insert into settings values value="RecordFilePrefix", data="/raid/mythtv/recordings/", hostname="tv"
[06:32:28] xris: eiggirC: no
[06:32:51] eiggirC: I'm scared of stuffing my database, so I check first
[06:32:55] xris: insert into settings (value, data, hostname) values ("RecordFilePrefix", "/raid/mythtv/recordings/", "tv");
[06:32:55] eiggirC: what did I get wrong?
[06:33:11] eiggirC: oh okay – quite a lot then
[06:33:14] xris: heh
[06:33:15] eiggirC: :) thanks xris
[06:33:20] xris: hmm, running low on b33r
[06:33:58] eiggirC: good chance to get some cider then
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[06:34:32] xris: ok, no more special class for handing transparent PNGs in IE. IE 7 can do it fine, and anyone running mythtv and not running IE 7 can be slapped.
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[06:35:16] eiggirC: xris: do you think there will ever be a full mythtv frontend running on windows?
[06:35:33] xris: eiggirC: people keep talking about one.
[06:35:46] xris: it'll probably become less of an issue once mythweb gets better streaming support, though.
[06:35:55] eiggirC: very true
[06:36:28] The_Ball: xris, i thought anyone running ie could be slapped
[06:36:31] xris: which would happen if I didn't keep getting bogged down in page layout design.
[06:36:34] xris: The_Ball: that, too.
[06:36:45] xris: but IE < 7 in particular
[06:38:09] eiggirC: xris: fyi the reason nuvexport was giving those weird errors is that the Lost episode was still being transcoded by the backend.
[06:38:20] xris: eiggirC: ahh
[06:38:31] xris: a similar error happens with newer versions of mplayer
[06:38:44] eiggirC: do I need to transcode (ie, press X while viewing) before running nuvexport on a recording ?
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[06:39:41] xris: no
[06:39:52] eiggirC: okay thanks
[06:40:07] xris: nuvexport actually uses mythtranscode to get the data to ffmpeg (or transcode), so it honors cutlists, etc.
[06:41:19] eiggirC: I'll change how I do this in the future then
[06:42:14] DVBMark: Hey xris, this the remote/ir rx? http://www.pcclub.com/product_details.cfm?itemno=A7252151#  ??
[06:42:32] xris: yup
[06:42:36] [1]Jack3: xris i found a good way
[06:42:41] [1]Jack3: Synaptic Package Manager
[06:42:48] DVBMark: k, didn't see it at compusa online but pcclub advertises it so will check there tomorrow
[06:42:57] xris: [1]Jack3: yes. or aptitude, which is probably a little nicer.
[06:43:01] DVBMark: $69 kbd $39 remote heh dunno if it is worth it lol
[06:43:17] xris: DVBMark: it's expensive, esp. if you don't need the remote.
[06:43:47] DVBMark: ya that's the thing, don't need the remote but do need a good ir rx heh
[06:43:54] DVBMark: but do like the kbd too lol
[06:44:20] DVBMark: will debate it tomorrow heh
[06:44:35] DVBMark: still trying to figure out my parents tv issue lol
[06:44:54] DVBMark: it extends past the sides a bit heh
[06:44:59] DVBMark: and can't seem to get it not to lol
[06:45:59] xris: DVBMark: why? thought you said that you had an RF logitech remote
[06:47:25] DVBMark: but no rx on the myth pc
[06:47:42] xris: oh, the rx is on a different box. gotcha.
[06:47:44] DVBMark: except a ff dvb card that has a built in rc5 protocol ir rx
[06:48:01] DVBMark: the rx is a logitech box, that just retransmits the ir from there
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[06:50:35] xris: ah
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[06:50:54] xris: well, the windows IR receiver is a nice one
[06:51:06] xris: you can probably find it for less online, too
[06:51:30] DVBMark: might wait and get it online was just wanting to test it while at parents and see if my parents wanted on elol
[06:51:35] DVBMark: one that is
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[06:52:16] DVBMark: I assume that ir rx works good for a standard rx regardless if you use their remote/kbd or anything
[06:52:21] DVBMark: no real mods needed for that
[06:53:01] xris: no clue if it requires their remote codes or not.
[06:53:35] DVBMark: surely not, but no matter, if the remote part itself works good it will do, just didn't look like it had that many buttons
[06:53:47] DVBMark: but if I end up with the kbd then I can always learn others I am guessing
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[06:55:14] robbins876: Anyone hear have any luck running mythtv with Beryl?
[06:56:19] xris: robbins876: why would you want to? beryl is a bit overkill for a tv-based app.
[06:56:47] defaultro: hey folks, i'm testing twinview. Is it possible to let mythfrontend display the show on 2 monitors, 50%/50%?
[06:57:15] robbins876: xris: this is the desktop in my room, so it's more than just a tv box
[06:57:51] xris: robbins876: I've had no luck with beryl and multihead, so it hasn't been much use to me.
[06:58:16] xris: defaultro: if you use twinview to trick the frontend into thinking that you only have one screen, sure.
[06:58:24] robbins876: multihead? The problem I'm running into is that I can't get myth to take over the entire screen when I'm running Beryl, other than that, it's works great
[06:58:43] defaultro: xris, how do i do that then?
[06:59:10] defaultro: coz right now, it's only outputing to one monitor. I can move the mouse to 2 monitors without issues
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[07:00:31] xris: defaultro: no clue
[07:00:41] xris: robbins876: it may just not work
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[07:03:46] SeaWeed: Can any 1 Shed Some lite on Why i Can Do Channel Scan on a ( FF ) card but Bugget Card fails i have tryed 2 Bugget card Both Fail to lock signal
[07:03:48] SeaWeed: ?
[07:04:01] SeaWeed: But ( FF ) Card Locks Rite on Sig
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[07:09:36] xris: SeaWeed: drivers
[07:09:50] SeaWeed: Hum they Loaded fine
[07:09:58] xris: card might not be properly supported
[07:10:08] SeaWeed: I can open my VDR on bugget CARD and it locks Rite on Sig
[07:10:29] SeaWeed: i Can Do a Scan With ( nscan ) and it locks on Sig
[07:10:49] SeaWeed: I have Try a ( Dst-1000 ) & ( Vision 1020A )
[07:11:26] xris: no clue, then
[07:11:36] SeaWeed: Got Me Stumped
[07:11:47] SeaWeed: i Can Go Back to FF Card and Sig Come Rite in
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[07:16:37] cesman: anyone have a clue why mythmusic won't compile w/ aac when I have the -dev needed?
[07:16:59] cesman: I've even recompile faac w/ mp4v2 from source and still no go?
[07:18:11] xris: and enabled --with-faac?
[07:18:14] xris: errors?
[07:20:44] cesman: hello xris
[07:20:48] xris: evening
[07:21:10] cesman: I was doing --with-aac as it output in --help
[07:21:53] xris: and no errors during compile?
[07:22:30] cesman: none
[07:22:53] xris: I'd submit a bug, then
[07:23:02] cesman: this came to light after a user stated he couldn't get mpeg4 audio working w/ my new release of KnoppMyth
[07:23:24] cesman: I didn't notice when compiling before than after configure it outputs:
[07:23:31] xris: I've been having trouble getting mp4 video to work, so it doesn't surprise me.
[07:23:33] cesman: AAC support will not be included in MythMusic
[07:23:46] xris: sounds like something isn't getting detected properly in ./configure.
[07:24:36] cesman: yeah, I've searched and searched and even recompiled faac and faad from source to ensure they have what is needed
[07:24:45] xris: sounds like a bug
[07:28:08] robbins876: xris: yeah, but that doesn't take anything away from Lebron James
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[07:40:31] cesman: ticket submitted...
[07:54:31] xris: anyone know why mfdb would be resetting my zap2it channels?
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[07:59:47] cesman: mfdb?
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[08:11:50] xris: mythfilldatabase
[08:13:38] ** xris relearns the hard way NEVER to use --only-update-channels **
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[08:32:36] ** cesman enjoys The Tube! **
[08:33:45] Jack3: hmm
[08:33:52] Jack3: weird
[08:35:04] cesman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tube_(TV_channel)
[08:35:08] cesman: that tube
[08:35:13] Jack3: lol
[08:35:37] Jack3: okay so im readin gthis mythtv guide
[08:35:48] Jack3: and he says find your tag, mine is -10-generic, then he says substitute it in for $kVER in: apt-get install linux-source-$KVER linux-headers-`uname -r`
[08:35:59] Jack3: and it says it cant find the package linux-source-10-generic
[08:36:02] Jack3: any ideas?
[08:36:30] cesman: sorry, I don't use Fedora
[08:36:37] cesman: that is for Fedora right?
[08:37:51] Jack3: ubuntu
[08:38:29] cesman: oh, ok
[08:39:23] cesman: where is that guide?
[08:39:32] Jack3: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation
[08:40:52] Jack3: oh i figured it out
[08:41:04] Jack3: it doesnt want the tag, it wants the kernel version lool im an idiot
[08:41:05] cesman: ok
[08:41:54] cesman: Jack3: if you a building a standalone myth system, might I suggest KnoppMyth
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[08:43:39] xris: cesman: new knopmyth use ubuntu?
[08:43:52] cesman: huh?
[08:43:56] cesman: oh
[08:43:59] cesman: no, it doesn't
[08:44:07] cesman: Sid
[08:44:15] xris: thought you were going to switch to ubuntu
[08:44:23] cesman: lol
[08:44:25] cesman: no...
[08:44:33] xris: heh, good 'nuf
[08:44:46] Jack3: cesman, by standalone do you mean am i using it solely for myth tv?
[08:44:56] cesman: I thought about it, but in the end i never got the warm and fuzzy from ubuntu
[08:45:01] cesman: Jack3: yes
[08:45:14] Jack3: ill probably use it for other stuff to
[08:46:18] ** cesman ponders if Jack3 has read the ubuntu wiki on adding MythTV to eft.... **
[08:46:48] cesman: if you are goign to use it for other stuff, that maybe the easier route than what you are doing...
[08:46:57] cesman: just my thought
[08:48:42] xris: or that he use mandriva, which he's said he's more familiar with.
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[08:50:37] ** cesman built his first myth box on mandrake **
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[09:05:07] xris: any swedish speakers awake?
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[09:09:02] shodan: anyone got channel information file (or initial tuning data) for Nimiq1 and Nimiq2 ?
[09:10:27] flewid: anyone have the transmitter on the pvr150 working with lirc on gentoo?
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[09:11:03] shodan: questions that start with anyone have a very low chance of getting answered ;)
[09:12:20] xris: flewid: mceusb2 remote?
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[09:15:02] xris: shodan: I guess he didn't want any help.
[09:16:50] shodan: well, if he's been doing like me, this would be his 7th channel asking the same question over the past 5 hours , you just answered too amazingly fast ;)
[09:18:40] shodan: that's why questions that start with anyone don't get answers, people asking them don't honestly think they'll get an answer and just wander off after asking !
[09:18:49] flewid: xris: it's just the regular remote on the pvr-150
[09:18:50] xris: shodan: bug Blaksmith when he's awake tomorrow.. I know he has a fairly extensive satellite setup, although I guess he's not doing it with a dvb card.
[09:18:51] flewid: not the mce one
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[09:19:03] flewid: i have the patched lirc with hauppauge_pvr150 patched into it
[09:19:08] flewid: but it's not compiling on gentoo :/
[09:19:17] xris: flewid: pvr-150 comes with a couple of different remotes, which is why I asked.
[09:19:26] shodan: k, I'll ask him
[09:19:39] shodan: dvb is a pain to get going : but when it works ! waa
[09:19:53] xris: shodan: yeah, haven't gone there yet. too lazy to get a new lnb. heh.
[09:19:56] j2^: xris: Hi! Remember the problem i had with incorrect charset in my listings? Well, all new data sucked in by mfdb is accurate, so it must have ben a snag when mySQL got upgraded.
[09:20:07] xris: j2^: cool, glad it's fixed.
[09:20:19] flewid: xris: yah, i'm not exactly sure how to tell which is which? – i have the grey top, black bottom one
[09:20:23] j2^: xris: Well, now i know what NOT to do.
[09:20:27] shodan: xris you won't believe the image quality, I have it working under windows, the image is perfect, as clean as a dvd
[09:20:33] xris: flewid: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote  ?
[09:20:46] xris: shodan: probably the same as firewire.  :)
[09:21:05] flewid: xris: newp
[09:21:11] Jack3: okay, how msuight i run the file browser with root privelges so I dont have to type everything into terminal
[09:21:13] xris: flewid: can't help, then, sorry.
[09:21:13] Jack3: ?
[09:21:23] flewid: http://www.untangledlife.com/images/pvr150_w_remote_large.jpg
[09:21:45] xris: Jack3: learn to use a shell? it's usually faster than a gui browser.
[09:21:45] flewid: the remote is working fine, i wanna transmit over to my cable box
[09:21:59] flewid: so i can change it's channels instead of only getting the 80 that comes over regular cable
[09:22:06] flewid: at least it hink that's what i ned to be doing to use it?
[09:22:06] flewid: :)
[09:22:20] xris: flewid: yeah. newer 150s that come with the mce remote also use the mce receiver/blaster, which I know works in gentoo.
[09:22:25] Jack3: maybe but it would be much easier to go clickin around lol
[09:22:35] j2^: Is there any kind of video-player-appliance that will worth with myth-recordings?
[09:22:38] xris: flewid: unless you upgrade to an HD box and use firewire.
[09:22:55] xris: Jack3: depends. I'm about 20x faster in a console than a gui
[09:23:07] shodan: xris, even better, there's no DAC-> ADC in the signal path, there's no receiver because the dvb card is the receiver, also you get your EPG data off the DVB feed !
[09:23:11] xris: j2^: mythtv recordings are just mpeg
[09:23:30] j2^: xris: Hm, so... would that mean i could use a DSM-520 as a "front end"?
[09:23:32] flewid: hmm shitty
[09:23:35] Jack3: i guess, that will take me a long time to though xris
[09:23:37] xris: shodan: yup. not enough FTA stuff to encourage me to make it a high priority, though.
[09:23:42] flewid: or my other option is to buy one of those mythblasters eh?
[09:23:44] xris: Jack3: what are you trying to do?
[09:23:59] Jack3: just do simple things like copying/renaming crud
[09:24:02] Jack3: but its alot of stuff
[09:24:07] xris: flewid: irblaster.info — serial blasters work great/easy. or you could make one.
[09:24:13] Jack3: and it takes forever to type the stuff into terminal, maybe im lazy though
[09:24:26] xris: Jack3: then log in as root. (and learn tab-complete and a little fancy shell scripting)
[09:25:30] flewid: hmm 12$ eh
[09:25:34] flewid: or 15$ if i want the fancy colored one
[09:26:12] Jack3: flewid, here : http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/2176/pcirpl1.gif
[09:26:23] Jack3: all parts availble at radioshack
[09:27:01] flewid: coo
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[09:28:00] ** j2^ bought http://www.irtrans.de/en/shop/lancontrol.php Terribly pricy, but a way cool IR-blaster on steroids :) **
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[09:30:47] flewid: hehe
[09:31:07] flewid: oh, to anyone who was here earlier when i was asking about overlay and "double height" tv output on a radeon
[09:31:19] flewid: i got it working by forcing a downgrade to 8.27 driver version instead of 8.30
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[09:31:23] flewid: all works w/ overlay now
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[09:46:54] _tripppy: annyone using myth as backend and xbox as frontend?
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[09:52:22] xris: tripppy: I'm sure that someone is, yes.
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[09:55:59] erik_: How do I 'shutdown' my myth box?
[09:56:54] erik_: I tried to configure 'halt' but the box just closed mythtv and not ubuntu
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[09:57:34] xris: erik_: typing "poweroff" at a command prompt will do the trick. heh.
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[09:58:53] erik_: xris: right. now. It would be nice to be able to do it from mythtv without having to open a terminal windows afterwards :-)
[09:59:30] xris: erik_: there should be a configuration for shutdown command somewhere in the frontend...
[09:59:42] erik_: xris: I know
[09:59:52] erik_: problem is that it doesn't seem to work
[10:00:01] erik_: How can I see what's going wrong?
[10:00:22] xris: make sure you're passing the correct parameters to halt, and make sure that myth is configured to prompt on exit.
[10:01:38] erik_: what do you mean with 'prompt on exit'?
[10:01:55] cesman: erik_: with KnoppMyth, I just make an entry in the menu
[10:02:11] cesman: I also make sure the user can sudo w/o password for halt
[10:02:49] cesman: he means when you exit myth, it prompts you
[10:02:59] erik_: configuration-general: I configured ESC as shutdown key
[10:03:13] cesman: however I've never seen it prompt to shutdown on a MBE
[10:03:14] erik_: I checked confirm quit
[10:03:36] xris: and there should be some sort of shutdown command you can enable.
[10:03:40] Jack3: does IVTV have a pre compiled package?
[10:03:43] xris: you don't want to configure ESC as the shutdown key, though.
[10:03:51] xris: Jack3: for fedora
[10:04:04] Jack3: no ubuntu?
[10:04:05] xris: erik_: does the confirmation appear?
[10:04:08] xris: Jack3: no clue
[10:04:41] erik_: xris: the confirmation does show
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[10:05:03] erik_: and when i choose yes. Mythtv closes and I'm right in my windowmanager
[10:05:38] xris: erik_: If you've configured the shutdown command properly, there should be an option for "exit and shutdown"
[10:05:43] xris: as well as just exit.
[10:06:17] erik_: Mythtv asks me 'are you sure you want to quit' and i get two options: No, Yes quit now
[10:06:26] erik_: should there be a thrid option?
[10:06:46] xris: if you configured the shutdown command, yes
[10:07:03] cesman: xris: I've only seen shutdown on a remote frontend or a slave backend, never on the master
[10:07:16] cesman: that is why I added a shutdown to the menu
[10:07:27] xris: cesman: that's possible. I've never used it.
[10:07:36] erik_: front and back are on the same machine
[10:07:51] xris: erik_: why do you want to power off your backend. sort of defeats the purpose of having a dvr.
[10:07:53] erik_: so I would have to use another way to shutdown?
[10:08:25] erik_: xris: I'm using this box as an enterainment system. Play music, video and webstreams
[10:08:33] erik_: xris: no tv grabber
[10:08:54] erik_: cesman: how do I add a shutdown option?
[10:09:07] j2^: Hm, has someone here tried running a NSLU2 as a master backend for a Myth-system?
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[10:10:37] cesman: can you add a tuner to an NSLU2?
[10:10:44] j2^: cesman: Nope.
[10:11:12] tripppy: xris, im trying to find some help with the config of the pyth script in XBMC on xbox and mythtv.
[10:11:23] cesman: I think by definition, a backend has a tuner
[10:11:38] j2^: cesman: You sure?
[10:11:47] xris: cesman: doesn't require it. just kind of silly not to have one.
[10:12:10] ericpersson: xris: works good just as a way of showing divxs and stuff..
[10:12:17] j2^: xris: Well, my plan is to be able to power-down my tuner-boxes when not in use, but since i right now have most of my tuners in my main box, it gets tricky :)
[10:12:20] cesman: xris: hence my simple definition
[10:12:34] cesman: erik_: you can edit mainmenu.xml
[10:12:59] cesman: add something like:
[10:13:04] cesman: <button>
[10:13:04] cesman: <type>POWER</type>
[10:13:04] cesman: <text>Power Off </text>
[10:13:04] cesman: <action>EXEC /usr/bin/sudo halt</action>
[10:13:04] cesman: </button>
[10:16:16] xris: could do a suspend instead of poweroff.,. for faster wakeup
[10:18:29] erik_: cesman: thanks. It works great
[10:18:33] xris: man, people are going to freak when I check in these new mythweb layouts.
[10:18:41] xris: and just just because they're half finished. heh
[10:18:54] ericpersson: is this an indication of copy protected cd? "cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize!"
[10:19:52] cesman: erik_: you're welcome
[10:21:02] flewid: guh still like 4.5 hours till future shop opens :(
[10:21:09] flewid: hoping to get a wii today :p
[10:21:14] xris: flewid: time to get some sleep.
[10:21:15] xris: oh...
[10:21:46] flewid: i dont' wanna pay the ebay premium, but my 'rents gave me zelda so i'm itchin to play it :)
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[10:25:19] ericpersson: bahaa... damn soundcard..
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[10:26:55] ericpersson: how come sounds works from tuner and through soundcard on my tv, and as soon as i touch the alsamixer, it stops.. doesnt matter if i just change the volume level with one..
[10:28:57] ericpersson: isnt that kind of odd? :)
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[10:32:57] xris: ericpersson: alsamixer is probably loading some old defaults
[10:33:51] ericpersson: xris: it works starting alsamixer up, but as soon as i change some value in it, it just goes silent, and I havent found a way to get it back working without rebooting yet..
[10:34:02] xris: oh, weird
[10:34:17] ericpersson: yeah, really.. i have no asound.state either..
[10:34:45] ericpersson: i've set the audiooutput to ALSA:front
[10:35:05] ericpersson: had it to ALSA:default before, but changed, but the same issue remains..
[10:35:34] ericpersson: i've tried googling a lot, but its not a good error to google for.... :)
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[10:37:25] xris: man, I really should go to sleep
[10:38:15] ericpersson: xris: give me a good pointer first. ;)
[10:38:45] xris: yeah, not sure. I'm not so good with alsa
[10:38:58] xris: I tend to set it with gnome-volume-control and not touch it again
[10:39:00] ericpersson: well, whats the alternative?
[10:39:35] ericpersson: what do you use for audiooutputdevice then?
[10:41:23] xris: whatever fedora sets as the default
[10:41:38] ericpersson: aha..ok..
[10:42:39] xris: all of you svn users can now enjoy the new look of mythweb. heh.
[10:42:57] xris: and I think I need to sleep.
[10:43:46] ericpersson: sleep well..
[10:45:13] xris: good luck.
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[10:45:59] Jack3: omg
[10:46:09] Jack3: i hate this
[10:46:45] ericpersson: Jack3: welcome to the group. ;)
[10:47:35] Jack3: like i apt-get mythtv
[10:47:38] Jack3: i get a shitload of errors
[10:47:47] Jack3: and now it cant connect to the database
[10:49:29] ericpersson: shouldnt it be apt-get install mythtv?
[10:50:04] Jack3: well yeh
[10:50:08] Jack3: but anyways
[10:50:13] Jack3: i get all these piece of shit errors
[10:50:16] ericpersson: what kind of errors do you get?
[10:50:51] Jack3: well no error type from qsql error? strange....
[10:50:58] Jack3: and lots of crap like that
[10:51:15] Jack3: i see it saying access denied for use mythtv @ local host using passowrd YES
[10:51:23] Jack3: which is not the passwd i set for the mythtvacct
[10:51:43] ericpersson: hmm... can you change the password temporarily to get it working?
[10:52:04] Jack3: i just tried passwd mythtv YES and it didnt work
[10:52:44] Jack3: wait should i be currently logged in as mythtv to run mythtv?
[10:52:54] Jack3: if so im an idiot.
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[10:53:11] ericpersson: its the password for the mysql database that you should change..
[10:53:26] ericpersson: not for the user account, thats not really used afaik..
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[10:55:26] Jack3: how do i change the mysql pas?
[10:57:23] ericpersson: Jack3: see http://www.modwest.com/help/kb6-57.html
[11:06:03] Jack3: i duno its not workin
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[11:13:17] ericpersson: Jack3: can you login to mysql with the mythtv account?
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[12:12:09] flithm: hey everyone... I just got a new wintv pvr-150 and it comes with this USB ir receiver. Anyone know how to get this thing working in linux? Do I use lirc? something else?
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[12:25:01] flewid: flithm: just got the same thing myself – i've gotten it working with lirc
[12:25:10] flewid: though I ordered an ir blaster for the blasting portion
[12:25:24] flithm: did you use the mceusb2 lirc module?
[12:25:25] flewid: the pvr-150 patch doesn't seem to work very well with gentoo/lirc
[12:25:52] flewid: i have atiusb (xbox360 controller), hauppauge and transmitter options enabled
[12:25:54] flewid: soon serial too
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[12:43:13] null__: Where can I set the recording bitrate?
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[13:22:19] Juski: null__: recording profiles is where you set that, but if you use firewire, hdhomerun, dvb or atsc/qam tuners you can't change the bitrate
[13:22:31] Juski: or indeed the recording resolution
[13:22:56] Juski: my advice would be to note down the values of all your recording profiles since there's no easy way to reset them to defaults
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[13:29:48] ollekalle: If I manually scan for channels successfully, is there a way to "connect" them with xmltv to get the channel metadata information displayed in mythtv?
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[13:38:43] ericpersson: anyone knows how to disable the gnome sound server
[13:39:17] Juski: ollekalle: yes, just insert the xmltvids by hand either in the channel editor or in mythweb, or with phpmyadmin, or manual mysql commands
[13:39:25] Juski: ericpersson: wth has that got to do with mythtv?
[13:39:54] ericpersson: Juski: i see your point, but it seems to mess with my mythtvinstall.. ;)
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[13:40:32] Juski: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=di . . . ch&meta=
[13:41:12] Jack3: wow i just installed mandriva and its sooo much easier to install mythtv with thta
[13:41:13] Juski: try not using gnome too if it's just for a frontend box. I use ratpoison & find it to be spiffy
[13:41:14] ericpersson: i just searched for disable gnome sound server, will have a look if this is better.. ;)
[13:41:22] Jack3: i guess im to much of a noob to use ubuntu
[13:41:29] ** Juski laughs **
[13:41:41] Jack3: well igot loads of errors when trying to install
[13:41:42] ericpersson: Juski: ratpoision as wm?
[13:41:49] Jack3: it was really not fun :( lol
[13:42:08] Juski: in a recent survey, when folks were asked which is the most windows-like of all the linux distros, most thought it was mandriva
[13:42:27] Juski: Jack3: but when there are great docs & howtos, irc channels for help..
[13:42:54] Juski: I'm hardly a newbie when it comes to mythtv & I find installing myth on ubuntu frustrating, so I just compile it myself
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[13:43:05] Jack3: heh
[13:43:14] Juski: I bet it was the mysql problems you kept running into
[13:43:19] Jack3: yes
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[13:44:01] Juski: the ubuntu installer generates a random password for the mysql user called mythtv. and it doesn't tell you what it is, but stores it in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[13:44:15] Jack3: lol gay
[13:44:22] Jack3: well it said the backend could never connect
[13:44:31] Juski: yeah it was that, then
[13:44:47] Juski: blame the debian packages
[13:44:57] Juski: the ubuntu ones were just adapted from that
[13:45:08] Juski: it's all changing though to be much more noob friendly
[13:45:22] Jack3: uhoh lol this is not good
[13:45:27] Juski: so there was no need to use a shitty distro like mandriva
[13:45:46] Jack3: im getting that page on database not connecting
[13:45:48] Jack3: lol
[13:45:57] ** Jack3 wonders what the pass is **
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[13:46:16] Juski: the more control taken out of the users hands – i,e, the more automagical stuff a distro does, the harder it is to find out what's wrong :-P
[13:46:35] Juski: Jack3: locate mysql.txt & look in there
[13:46:40] ericpersson: Jack3: check in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt as Juski suggested, its there, I'm doing a ubuntuinstall right now, but have some other isssues..
[13:46:46] Juski: the installer package might've set it for you already
[13:47:46] Jack3: su
[13:47:55] Jack3: oh shit lol
[13:48:02] Jack3: i almost typed my pass in here
[13:48:14] GreyFoxx: hehe You wouldn't be the first ;)
[13:48:18] Jack3: i have two keyboards sitting here and i keep typing on the wrong one
[13:48:19] Jack3: lol
[13:48:22] Juski: or the last
[13:48:26] Jack3: lol
[13:48:55] Juski: and before anyone whines about mysql being necessary, STFU :)
[13:49:56] Juski: even MediaPortal is using a 'proper' database now, since they went client-server
[13:49:58] ericpersson: a migration to sqlite would be a reasonable step perhaps..
[13:50:12] GreyFoxx: not really
[13:50:15] Jack3: hmm theres no mysql txt in there
[13:50:15] Juski: no it wouldn't, and it's not up for debate, so shhh
[13:50:27] Jack3: just mythbackend
[13:50:38] Juski: Jack3: use the locate command
[13:50:42] GreyFoxx: It would require a lot of SQL code changes, and for some of our queries the performance isn't there
[13:50:44] Juski: locate mysql.txt
[13:51:06] GreyFoxx: But I don't know if anyone has submitted those queries to the sqllite devs to see if they recommend changes to them
[13:51:14] ericpersson: GreyFoxx: true, though..
[13:51:45] GreyFoxx: And it has no networkability
[13:52:05] GreyFoxx: So we would have to write an sql proxy or change the protocol to support it
[13:52:09] Jack3: mysql
[13:52:23] Jack3: sonof a biitch, how many times do i type on the wrong keyboard
[13:52:47] GreyFoxx: ericpersson: Eventually we might end up with something like embedded mysql
[13:53:01] GreyFoxx: but so far my efforts to get it running under qt 3 have been less than working :)
[13:53:21] GreyFoxx: and we don;t use QT4 yet :)
[13:53:27] Jack3: ok it found the file
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[13:53:40] Jack3: but the password is mythtv, same as in the backend setup that comes up
[13:53:53] Jack3: maybe mysql isnt runnin?
[13:54:34] GreyFoxx: What is the error ?
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[13:56:20] Jack3: 1sec, umplodin to pastebin
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[13:56:47] Jack3: www.pastebin.com/848451
[13:57:12] Jack3: that basically repeated over many times
[13:57:20] Jack3: then the backend config gui pops up
[13:57:24] ollekalle: Juski: yeah, I tried that but it seems not to "store" in the database. Can I ask you what the /etc/cron.dayly/mythtv-backend does? It gives me some error messages and I assume thats why my xmltv-data is not updated properly
[13:58:40] GreyFoxx: Jack3: Mysql is on the same machine as the backend ?
[13:59:06] Jack3: yeh
[13:59:57] GreyFoxx: either it's not running or it's configured to put the unix socket in a different location
[14:00:00] GreyFoxx: likely just not running
[14:00:17] Jack3: how do i start it, type mysql?
[14:00:54] GreyFoxx: "mysql" is the mysql, "mysqld" is the server. Normally there is script like "mysqld_safe", "safe_mysqld" and or some init script that your distro provides
[14:03:56] Juski: ollekalle: that runs mythfilldatabase once a day
[14:04:21] Juski: though spelled like that it won't likely do very much ;)
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[14:09:00] ollekalle: Juski: Ok, thanks. I hope I have some other usuful genens in the location where I should have had the MythTV-gene :)
[14:10:41] Juski: I'm trying to splice some css genes into my dna right now
[14:11:10] Juski: ffs whose idea was it to make webpages object oriented?
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[14:31:17] Juski: oh just fyi folks the blootube 4:3 theme underwent a big change last night – well 4am this morning actually. http://www.mythtvtalk.com/juski/blootube/
[14:31:31] Juski: sorry cesman
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[14:33:35] Jack3: ok this is annoying
[14:33:49] Jack3: i cant change the pass on the mysql
[14:34:29] Jack3: i am using SET PASSWORD FOR root@localhost=PASSWORD('actualpass');
[14:34:49] Jack3: and it just returns bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
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[14:35:48] Juski: you're not in the mysql session, that's why
[14:36:06] Juski: you'd need to either – before all that do mysql -u root
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[14:36:23] Juski: or do mysql -u root -e "SET PASSWORD FOR .... ; "
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[14:47:35] ** GreyFoxx updates blootube heh **
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[14:52:32] Juski: man back in the day all you had to do to get a website was use a simple text editor & bash some html together
[14:52:38] Juski: now it's div this, class that.. arghh
[14:52:55] Juski: though back in the day every single site looked crap
[14:53:16] Juski: what was so wrong with frames anyway?
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[14:54:08] GreyFoxx: hehe
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[14:54:16] GreyFoxx: I still do my webpages that way
[14:54:23] GreyFoxx: though they do look like crap :)
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[14:56:31] Paladine: see how long it takes me to build fixes in edgy :)
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[14:57:33] Juski: this is what I'm on with. I just can't get my head around inheritance & that kind of schiznit. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ff.png
[14:57:57] Juski: too proud to pop into #css or whatever at the moment too :)
[14:58:28] GreyFoxx: hehe
[14:59:02] Juski: I need to understand this stuff if I'm to ever theme mythweb
[15:02:02] Juski: haha fort-weight will be why the text wasn't changing
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[15:13:57] karim: hi
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[15:22:47] karim: I managed to have an output on my TV with a vga to tv cable, however, I did it with powerstrip, but in Linux I don't see how to enable the composite sync that is showed in powerstrip
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[15:24:55] Juski: karim: plenty of ATI modelines have that IIRC
[15:25:23] karim: Juski, have what ?
[15:25:41] karim: Modeline "768x576" 15.00 768 800 872 968 576 577 608 625 +HSync +Vsync Interlace
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[15:25:55] DarkDrgn2k: what does hsync and vsync do
[15:26:00] karim: I have this one for exemple. the polarity is with hsync and vsync
[15:26:31] karim: but it doesn't seems to enable composite sync
[15:26:41] karim: like powerstrip would Juski DarkDrgn2k
[15:26:55] DarkDrgn2k: karim: still no idea what its for
[15:27:04] DarkDrgn2k: karim: can it push the out pout of my monitor over about a CM?
[15:27:08] DarkDrgn2k: uhh TV OUT
[15:27:14] DarkDrgn2k: w/e
[15:27:23] Juski: nowhere in that modeline does it mention composite sync
[15:27:23] karim: what ?
[15:27:28] DarkDrgn2k: lol
[15:27:40] DarkDrgn2k: thge output oif my ati card is screwy
[15:27:44] karim: Juski, nowhere yes
[15:27:52] DarkDrgn2k: it start about a cenemeter away from the left edge so the picture is offset
[15:28:00] Juski: http://www.realh.ukfsn.org/tvhowto/ar01s02.html
[15:28:06] Juski: 1st hit in google
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[15:29:46] karim: thanks I didn't found that one
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[15:37:52] _THE_MAXX_: hello, i am having trouble getting mythtv to work with linux 2.6.18
[15:38:21] _THE_MAXX_: i use ivtv 0.5 with 2.6.15 and ivtv 8.1 on 2.6.18
[15:38:51] _THE_MAXX_: it works great with 2.6.15 but not with 2.6.18, any ideas?
[15:39:28] _THE_MAXX_: note: with 2.6.18 i ca do "cat /dev/video0 > toto.mpg" and it works
[15:39:59] Juski: is ivtv8 where they moved over to v4l2 stuff by any chance?
[15:40:16] Juski: if so, maybe you need to update mythtv
[15:42:06] karim: Juski, still no image :/
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[15:42:30] Juski: karim: someone had the same trouble yesterday
[15:42:38] Juski: maybe you need to try other modelines
[15:42:58] karim: did he used fglrx or radeon ?
[15:43:02] karim: driver
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[15:43:50] _THE_MAXX_: i use the latest mythtv 0.20 cvs from nevember
[15:44:11] _THE_MAXX_: i use the open source radeon r200 driver
[15:44:22] _THE_MAXX_: it works great, including 3D accel
[15:44:42] _THE_MAXX_: i think ivtv always was v4l2
[15:45:03] Juski: http://ryoandr.free.fr/english.html
[15:45:05] GreyFoxx: heh november isn't close to the latest :)
[15:45:11] GreyFoxx: and we use svn, not cvs :)
[15:45:13] _THE_MAXX_: :)
[15:45:27] Ryushin: Is anyone running HD on current SVN?
[15:45:42] Ryushin: I should say, is anyone here running HD on current SVN?
[15:45:47] GreyFoxx: ivtv 0.5 wont work with 2.6.18
[15:46:04] _THE_MAXX_: actually the version of my debian package is: 0.20-svn20061209–0.3
[15:46:07] GreyFoxx: you need 0.8.2 for that
[15:46:17] _THE_MAXX_: so i think it is december 9, pretty recent
[15:46:57] _THE_MAXX_: i am useing 0.8.1 for 2.6.18
[15:47:00] karim: succes !!!!
[15:47:06] GreyFoxx: And if you have previously used and older ivtv you likely have to go into mythtv-setup, remove the capture cards and readd them
[15:47:14] karim: Juski, this works with the radeon module, not with fglrx
[15:47:16] _THE_MAXX_: i used 0.5 for 2.6.15 and that worked fine
[15:47:39] GreyFoxx: _THE_MAXX_:it wont work for 2.6.18
[15:47:48] _THE_MAXX_: why do you think i have to re add them?
[15:48:14] GreyFoxx: They they made changes that require them to be readded, I don't know exactly whgat changes
[15:48:19] GreyFoxx: I just know that you have to do it
[15:48:25] GreyFoxx: I did it yesterday, so yes I'm sure :)
[15:48:27] _THE_MAXX_: ok i will try that
[15:48:31] GreyFoxx: http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Main_Page
[15:48:32] _THE_MAXX_: thanks
[15:48:42] GreyFoxx: with 2.6.18 you have to use 0.8.2 of the driver
[15:48:52] _THE_MAXX_: ok
[15:49:19] _THE_MAXX_: bye, i must leave now, thx for the help
[15:49:38] Ryushin: I think current SVN has problem with HD playback. It seems to be consuming a LOT more CPU then before. I have upgraded to 2.6.19 from kernel.org. This is running on Debian Sid.
[15:50:41] ** GreyFoxx launches a 1080i sample **
[15:53:07] GreyFoxx: On my box it's using the same as it always has
[15:53:40] karim: Juski, if you see the guy that failed tell him to use radeon module. (no 3d then :/)
[15:53:53] GreyFoxx: but Ryus: Are you using xvmc or somethign ?
[15:55:59] Ryushin: GreyFoxx: No xvmc. Just libmpeg. I'm running AMD X2 2.2 ghz, which can play back at about 85% now. It used to be about 40% for the frontend process and 35% for the xorg process.
[15:56:52] Ryushin: My new frontend is pegging 100% on one 2.0 ghz core. Reading the mailing lists, it looks like something is wrong that is causing the prebuffering pauses.
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[16:16:27] psofa: anyone knows why myth messes up my channel names? i get 3 channels with channum 13001
[16:16:56] psofa: im using dvb and have let myth scan for channels and tidy them as it wants
[16:19:55] psofa: i guess that was a rhetorical question :P
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[16:36:22] Juski: bah to heck with that new-fangled css lark
[16:36:48] Juski: anyway it's wine-o-clock :)
[16:37:09] Juski: as opposed to whine-o-clock, which is anytime in here
[16:38:17] Ryushin: Juski: Are you doing HD?
[16:38:28] Juski: HD? pleh no
[16:38:46] Juski: we don't have free or usable-with-mythtv HDTV in the UK
[16:39:04] Juski: but when we get it, it'll be h.264
[16:39:25] Juski: so your mpeg2 prebuffering pauses will look like mincemeat ;)
[16:40:10] Juski: the whole NVP stuff is being looked at I believe, something like adaptive bufferring & stuff
[16:41:16] Ryushin: Yea, I was reading that. I think something has changed in HD playback, because CPU usage has gone way up compared to what it was.
[16:41:57] Juski: CPU usage has gone up for everyone
[16:42:39] Juski: myth uses like 50% to play SDTV mpeg2 on my box whereas xine uses like 15%
[16:45:12] Ryushin: Really? MythTV has gotten worse and not better?
[16:45:26] Paladine: tv_grab_uk_rt takes a helluva time to do its stuff
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[16:45:51] GreyFoxx: Ryushin: It varies. Some people see no change, others see more cpu usage
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[16:46:47] Ryushin: Hmm.... I thought my new frontend that has a 2.0 ghz would be enough. I guess I'll have to try to overclock it a bit to get playback to working until the problem is found out.
[16:47:06] Ryushin: 2.0 ghz dual core would be enough.
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[16:47:36] ** GreyFoxx is using an XP2500 (1.8ghz cpu) and it can play HD(1080i) at the same cpu usage it could bacj when I got the sample video over a year ago **
[16:48:08] GreyFoxx: but for some reason it's degraded for some
[16:48:33] Ryushin: Are you using current SVN?
[16:48:36] GreyFoxx: always
[16:48:46] Paladine: nothing quite like mythfilldatabase for warming up the old cockles
[16:48:49] Ryushin: XvMC or no XvMC?
[16:48:55] GreyFoxx: Ryushin: No XvMC
[16:49:36] GreyFoxx: standard mpeg decoder, not libmpeg2
[16:49:45] Ryushin: Okay, me either. I was reading that maybe the the modeline timings are causing some effect. I have a 720p TV and I'm running 720p at 60 hz. I have a modeline for 59.94, I guess I can try that.
[16:50:04] GreyFoxx: libmpeg2 is supposedly less cpu for HD content , and standard is less for SD content but higher for HD
[16:50:04] Ryushin: Oh, okay, I'll try the standard right now.
[16:50:13] GreyFoxx: OR at least it use to be
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[16:53:16] GreyFoxx: hehe there is someone nearby trying to join my wireless network :)
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[16:53:56] GreyFoxx: my AP is syslogging a reject attempt once a minute . I should setup a honey pot and see what he does :)
[16:54:03] Paladine: I am roasting chestnuts on my cpu whilst it runs mythfilldatabase :)
[16:56:03] Ryushin: GreyFoxx: Changing it to 60 hertz had no affect. Try 71.93 now.
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[16:58:24] Ryushin: Nope, no difference.
[16:58:31] Ryushin: I guess it's time to overclock.
[17:00:20] scopeuk: hi all
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[17:26:23] Juski: hey hey it's scopeuk :)
[17:26:37] Juski: on the tea again scopeuk? ;)
[17:26:43] scopeuk: oh yeh
[17:27:00] Juski: or are you gonna celebrate NYE in typical English style?
[17:27:19] Juski: fuzzy, puking up everywhere & having no recall the next day!
[17:27:32] scopeuk: im going to a friendsfor aparty and drinking if thats what your asking
[17:27:38] scopeuk: doubt ill be completly wasted though
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[17:27:50] scopeuk: what you up 2?
[17:27:59] Juski: heh. I have a roast to cook tomorrow so I'll be 'merry' & nothing more tonight
[17:28:12] scopeuk: sounds fair
[17:28:18] Juski: night in, with wifey & jools holland on telly
[17:28:51] Juski: were gonna go up to newcastle quayside for nye but all that's been cancelled – just aswell we never made plans really
[17:28:58] scopeuk: could think of better ways but heh ngiht in tongiht would mean me and irc/messenger until li fell asleap
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[17:29:19] scopeuk: hence why im not stayign in
[17:29:20] Paladine: I will be going to a party if mythfilldatabase ever finishes
[17:29:40] Juski: aye well. I hate most of my neighbours, especially the ones to the left of me
[17:30:07] Juski: the feeling's mutual from what I've gathered though :)
[17:30:14] scopeuk: juski im going ta firneds a cupple of miles away
[17:30:27] scopeuk: yeh jsut abotu covers it
[17:30:32] scopeuk: have very little contact withours
[17:30:39] Juski: this is gonna sound really sad but I don't have any friends in Mancyland
[17:30:47] scopeuk: althgouh i think were still on speaking terms and our cat is a wealcomed guestat either
[17:30:47] Juski: none I don't work with anyway
[17:31:18] scopeuk: maki ng none work friends is easier when your at school/uni i guess
[17:31:35] scopeuk: althoguh depending on how you define work i dont rearly have friends at uni
[17:31:41] Juski: heh. left them all behind gladly about 10 years ago :)
[17:31:45] scopeuk: that arnt through work
[17:36:10] Juski: grrr I can't stand css
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[18:27:26] psofa: mythweb is improving :)
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[18:36:33] Juski: so is my site.. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/site/
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[18:37:37] GreyFoxx: Juski: That updated 4x3 blootube has been fine since your last update
[18:37:46] GreyFoxx: no more weirdness that I've seen yet :)
[18:37:50] Juski: excellent
[18:38:04] Juski: cesman is gonna be _so_ pissed
[18:39:06] Juski: hopefully there won't be many changes to come anyway
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[18:39:32] GreyFoxx: why? Did he include it in arelease already before the changes ?
[18:39:41] scopeuk: Juski dont you have a redirect from the more memerable juski.co.uk
[18:39:41] Juski: as far as I know, yeah
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[18:39:49] GreyFoxx: Juski: Doh
[18:39:53] Juski: scopeuk: not for the new one yet
[18:39:57] Juski: still W.I.P. ;)
[18:39:58] GreyFoxx: It happens :)
[18:40:01] scopeuk: Juski knopp havent released a new stable version yet
[18:40:11] scopeuk: might be in the testign release
[18:40:23] scopeuk: but testign releases are going very quickyl with knopp atm
[18:40:33] Juski: been asked to do a gdm theme for the ubuntu guys
[18:40:51] scopeuk: lol
[18:40:58] scopeuk: there nto the onyl ones who use gdm
[18:41:03] Juski: errr.. help!
[18:41:11] scopeuk: ?
[18:41:21] Juski: my new year's resolution will mostly be – don't do it, whatever you get asked
[18:41:30] GreyFoxx: heh
[18:41:48] scopeuk: lol
[18:41:57] Bogus8: I've installed knoppmyth and have a couple questions about the scripts you are supposed to run... more details here http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t= . . . a0a2d7a7ef6b
[18:42:02] scopeuk: think mine will have to be actually put in some effort
[18:42:27] Juski: welcome to the world of UK mythtv event co-ordinating, scopeuk :-P
[18:42:47] Juski: start training your liver
[18:42:57] scopeuk: lol
[18:43:22] Juski: I dunno what kind of fuck-off bad mood I was in when I was going on about never exhibiting again
[18:43:38] scopeuk: Bogus8 e50 is a testignrelease
[18:43:44] scopeuk: r5d1 is the current stable
[18:43:53] Juski: must've been a bad month, Oct/Nov
[18:44:03] scopeuk: sure it was more recent than that oh well
[18:44:13] Bogus8: scopeuk: well that sucks... I went with what the "ftp" said was the "latest"
[18:44:27] scopeuk: which ftp?
[18:44:47] scopeuk: think fresh meeet have e50 listed as a proper release ad it isent afaik
[18:44:58] Juski: Bogus8: reporting issues you see with testing releases would be a good idea & will prolly be appreciated
[18:44:59] Bogus8: for knoppmyth... let me find it exact.. I think it was the bit torrent link on the download page
[18:45:21] Juski: if you don't report em they're less likely to get fixed, see
[18:45:31] Juski: go see em in #knoppmyth
[18:45:41] Bogus8: Juski: true and I'm all for helping... but I'm also looking to get this box working :)
[18:45:44] scopeuk: http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html is best place to confirm version releases or the irc channel topic
[18:45:58] scopeuk: what is the box its gonan berunnign on
[18:46:05] scopeuk: there are some nown issues with d1 and amd 64
[18:46:24] scopeuk: although its probably woth a shot
[18:47:10] Bogus8: scopeuk: it's a 1ghz intel on a via motherboard (don't remember the exact model of the mobo)
[18:48:04] scopeuk: in which case your golden
[18:48:17] Bogus8: scopeuk: that was the page I used... I just assumed it wasn't up to date when I went to the bit-torrent tracker link and clicked latest and it sent me to the R5E50
[18:48:23] scopeuk: for "just works" d1 whould be good
[18:48:45] scopeuk: e50 was mis represented o na site the bit torrent tracker people must have taken head of that
[18:49:48] Bogus8: ok... well, no big deal... I'll let the guys in #knoppmyth know and see if they want me to try someting if not I'll just go and get d1
[18:50:37] scopeuk: knopp is a small channel and mostly us timezones so there may or may nto bea quick answer
[18:51:15] Bogus8: yeah, I understand that
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[19:00:18] Inssomniak: anyone have nice scripts to monitor the mythbackend/frontend processes and restart them when they crash?
[19:01:52] Juski: not really a good idea to restart the backend without knowing wtf went wrong if you ask me
[19:02:02] robbins876: No, i just wish I could fix my 100% CPU usage issues with mythbackend before anything else
[19:02:08] GreyFoxx: Juski: I agree
[19:02:10] Inssomniak: heh, usually segfaults and I dont know
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[19:02:28] GreyFoxx: If something is crashing it should be looked at and prevent
[19:02:30] Juski: time to harvest some screenshots
[19:02:31] doc_: hi
[19:02:43] robbins876: hola
[19:02:48] doc_: hola robbins876
[19:02:50] Inssomniak: Ive posted everywhere I know of on one problem and no one seems to know
[19:03:03] GreyFoxx: while [ 1 ]; do mythbackend --logfile /var/log/mythtv ; sleep 5 ; done
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[19:18:18] Juski: woooyeah http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/site/blootube.html
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[19:23:12] Bogus8: Juski: very nice looking
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[19:31:13] onetwo: Hi everyone, I used to have my music so that It went "various_artists" then album, but currently it shows up as the the contributing artist then track – I have put my box round a friends for new year's eve, does anyone know what switch in the setup puts it back – I can't go round and stop the music for an hour and have a play. It's organised on the disc as artist and album.
[19:33:36] Juski: yay. site is updated :)
[19:38:38] Jack3: yo juski
[19:38:48] Jack3: i was in the mysql section...
[19:39:27] Speedy2: Juski: A quick question on your S100 — does it provide the PCI slot right-angled so the card can be inserted with the case closed?
[19:39:36] Juski: nope
[19:39:40] Speedy2: doh.
[19:39:57] Juski: I had to insert the pci socket myself
[19:40:04] Juski: and I've never tried it
[19:40:11] Juski: makes a superb little frontend though
[19:40:14] Speedy2: So even if you put the PCI connector it, the card won't clear with the case closed...that sux.
[19:40:45] Juski: the case is too small
[19:40:48] Juski: & stop dissing it
[19:41:24] Speedy2: I'm not dissing it. Just disappointed.
[19:43:35] Jack3: jsuki
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[19:44:09] Jack3: i type mysql, and it goes the mysql> and i type SET PASSWORD FOR username@localhost=PASSWORD('theactualpassword')
[19:44:14] Jack3: and then it just goes ->
[19:44:21] Jack3: without saying it changed the pass ornot
[19:45:20] AngryElf: I'm trying to copy one frontend's settings over to another frontend — where are those settings kept in the DB?
[19:46:30] Juski: funnily enough in the settings table
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[19:48:00] kgbudz: yo
[19:48:14] kgbudz: anyone here running ps3
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[19:49:33] Juski: right I'm outta here for now. have a happy new year folks!
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[19:54:00] FunkyELF: anyone here use an xbmc as a frontend?
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[19:59:32] Jack3: funkyelf
[19:59:41] Jack3: im planning to if i ever get this goin lol
[20:04:13] Jack3: yay i got it to work
[20:04:35] FunkyELF: got xbmc mythtv to work?
[20:05:16] kgbudz: dont even waste your time
[20:05:17] kgbudz: get a ps3
[20:05:26] Jack3: ps3's suck
[20:05:42] Jack3: no funkyelf i got mythtv working :D lol
[20:05:57] kgbudz: 8 core cpu, nvidia g8 gpu, blu-ray, wireless, gigabit, bluetooth, 1080p support
[20:06:02] kgbudz: all for $600
[20:06:08] kgbudz: you would have to be stupid not to buy it
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[20:07:05] kgbudz: im just waiting for a good linux release for it
[20:07:09] Jack3: remove the not in that sentence
[20:07:14] FunkyELF: you have no access to that GPU
[20:07:21] kgbudz: what you mean
[20:07:33] FunkyELF: which makes 1080p support shitty
[20:07:43] kgbudz: what are you talking about
[20:07:51] FunkyELF: who cares about 1080p when you're bogging down the CPU by using a frame buffer
[20:08:01] kgbudz: ?
[20:08:03] FunkyELF: in Linux, you have no access to that GPU
[20:08:16] kgbudz: why not?
[20:08:27] Jack3: they made it so you didnt
[20:08:35] kgbudz: who did
[20:08:43] FunkyELF: Sony / Nvidia
[20:08:46] Jack3: yeh
[20:08:49] kgbudz: where did you read this?
[20:08:54] kgbudz: or hear it
[20:08:58] FunkyELF: your CPU is moving every stupid pixel in that screen
[20:09:10] FunkyELF: anywhere that talks about Linux on the PS3
[20:09:15] kgbudz: i dunno about that
[20:09:22] kgbudz: the gpu is doing all the pixels
[20:09:29] FunkyELF: nope, framebuffer
[20:09:37] FunkyELF: cpu is moving crap around in memory
[20:09:47] kgbudz: maybe in some flavors of linux
[20:10:02] kgbudz: which is why i said earlier, im waiting for a good linux release
[20:10:07] kgbudz: sony is going to put one out soon
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[20:14:50] ** Jack3 doubts it **
[20:15:01] Jack3: anyways, does IVTV support anything other then ubuntu
[20:16:35] Jack3: oh of course it does nvm lol
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[20:17:40] sinisterguy: is there any way to use the internal mythtv player when previewing tracks when importing dvds?
[20:19:36] kgbudz: what you mean
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[20:19:52] kgbudz: mythtv makes use of mplayer and xine to play video
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[20:20:32] GreyFoxx: kgbudz: Only if you configure it that way
[20:20:42] GreyFoxx: It defaults to the Internal player now
[20:20:42] kgbudz: what else does it use?
[20:20:47] kgbudz: interesting
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[20:21:07] GreyFoxx: The internal player has always been used for recordings, and for a long time was optional for dvds and mythvideo usage
[20:21:10] GreyFoxx: now it's the default
[20:21:39] kgbudz: it does dvds and menus itself?
[20:21:43] GreyFoxx: yes
[20:22:05] GreyFoxx: I use it for all playback on my machine
[20:22:09] kgbudz: all my dvds are sh scripts
[20:22:19] kgbudz: cause the old myth didnt have good dvd support
[20:22:21] GreyFoxx: We play alot of dvd's here,
[20:22:36] GreyFoxx: 0.20 and up is much better than it use to be for DVD's
[20:22:36] kgbudz: ya, im pretty big on archiving dvds
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[20:23:13] sinisterguy: so you know the dvd ripping settings
[20:23:20] sinisterguy: for the Title playing Command
[20:23:23] GreyFoxx: I don't use myth to rip dvd's
[20:23:30] sinisterguy: oh
[20:23:39] kgbudz: i just copy the video ts to my fs
[20:23:52] kgbudz: takes 5 minutes
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[20:24:20] sinisterguy: does anybody know what the xine command for that would be for that then?
[20:24:28] kgbudz: to do what?
[20:24:33] kgbudz: play a video_ts directory?
[20:24:41] kgbudz: play a vob?
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[20:25:18] sinisterguy: kgbudz: have you ever used myth's dvd ripping interface?
[20:25:23] kgbudz: nope
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[20:25:41] kgbudz: like i said, i just rip the entire video_ts to the hd
[20:25:47] kgbudz: using play old cp
[20:27:13] GreyFoxx: I just started archiving my DVD's the other day since a few new driveds appeared under my tree :)
[20:27:29] kgbudz: ya, ive been runing 2tb for a while now
[20:27:44] kgbudz: but its a ghetto JBOD configuration
[20:27:55] kgbudz: im about to upgrade it to like a 4+ tb mega server
[20:28:06] GreyFoxx: Cept my archives are xvids, I have little reason to keep a fullsize image including menus and extras
[20:28:17] GreyFoxx: I haven't even looked at the extras on 90% of my disks
[20:28:32] GreyFoxx: I figure if I really wanna check it out I can get out the real disk on that rare occasion :)
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[20:29:15] kgbudz: ya, that the thing
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[20:29:19] kgbudz: when you have tbs of space
[20:29:25] GreyFoxx: I do
[20:29:33] kgbudz: you dont even think about a few gbs
[20:29:37] GreyFoxx: I still have no reason to keep "junk": on the drives :)
[20:30:22] GreyFoxx: 150 DVD's (and many of them TV series) can chew up alot of uneeded gigs with extras and fullsized images
[20:30:37] GreyFoxx: I'd rather save the space for something else
[20:30:44] kgbudz: thats about 800gb
[20:30:47] kgbudz: which isnt even too much
[20:30:52] kgbudz: 150 dvds is a massive amount
[20:31:12] GreyFoxx: It is to me when compaired to closer to 150–200GB of space with them compressed :)
[20:31:22] kgbudz: compressed?
[20:31:27] kgbudz: like shrinked?
[20:31:31] GreyFoxx: Sorry, reencoded
[20:31:35] GreyFoxx: I convert them to xvids
[20:31:39] kgbudz: do you keep menus?
[20:31:43] GreyFoxx: Nope
[20:31:52] GreyFoxx: I fine the menus and extras annoying honestly
[20:32:06] kgbudz: how long does it take to encode a dvd?
[20:32:33] GreyFoxx: Close to 2 hours per machine, and I have 3 of them processing them here in the house
[20:32:41] GreyFoxx: I queue up 4 images/jobs and let each run
[20:32:45] GreyFoxx: by morning I have 12 done
[20:32:48] kgbudz: cool
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[20:33:15] GreyFoxx: Just started a couple days ago though so only 30–40 done so far
[20:33:21] kgbudz: o wow
[20:33:51] ReFleXoz: Can mythtv be used with dreambox?
[20:34:10] kgbudz: brb
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[20:36:15] defaultro: FREAK, Comcast increased their hdtv equipment leased to $7
[20:36:26] defaultro: did you guys notice it too?
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[20:39:54] mchou: anyone happen to know if Hauppauge USB HDTV receiver works in linux & myth?
[20:40:26] mchou: it's on sale this week for $50 AR at circuit city
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[20:41:37] mchou: would have been even better if hauppauge made a firewire rather than USB one
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[20:44:04] ** Heffalump is just thinking about making a mythtv box as opposed to buying a commercial box that does PVR+DVD playing+digital TV tuner – can someone give me a rough idea of how much extra work it is to get equivalent functionality? **
[20:44:24] mchou: hmm, wonder if it supports QAM properly too......
[20:45:11] mchou: Heffalump: how $ is the PVR set top box?
[20:45:44] Heffalump: haven't quite decided, but budget is probably around 300–400 UKP (i.e. 600–800 US$)
[20:45:59] mchou: Heffalump: you cant rent one?
[20:46:10] mchou: have to buy?
[20:46:32] Heffalump: what's the advantage of renting?
[20:47:13] mchou: over here in US it cost $10/mo to rent
[20:47:45] mchou: It would take 5 yrs to get to $600 at that rate :)
[20:48:14] mchou: and 5 yrs there would be better ones that come along anyways
[20:48:15] Heffalump: there's not much of a culture of renting white goods in the UK, though I've done it in the past with a washing machine that I didn't want to have to move when I moved house – but roughly speaking I'd expect to pay as much in a year of renting as the capital cost
[20:48:45] mchou: Heffalump: well, sounds like the only other viable option is myth then.
[20:48:58] Jack3: can i use two video cards at once with myth?
[20:49:06] Jack3: like one for basic cable one for digital channels
[20:49:18] mchou: Jack3: you can use as many as you want with myth
[20:49:26] Jack3: at the same time?
[20:49:29] Heffalump: mchou: right, I'm just wondering how much effort I'll end up going to if I go that route
[20:49:29] mchou: yup
[20:49:34] Jack3: sweet
[20:49:36] mchou: Jack3: ^^
[20:49:43] Speedy2: Juski: Does your S100 have a mini-PCI slot?
[20:49:51] mchou: Heffalump: it's quite a bit of effort
[20:49:52] Jack3: how about if one is hardware enconding and one is software encoding
[20:50:05] Heffalump: I'm quite familiar with installing/administering linux, but I don't have that much free time.
[20:50:08] Heffalump: ok, thanks
[20:50:12] mchou: Jack3: SW encoding requires beefy CPU
[20:50:21] mchou: HW encode is "dont care"
[20:50:22] Heffalump: shame, I'd love to have the flexibility it'd bring
[20:50:27] Jack3: ah cause i got an ati card that is sw i think
[20:50:31] Jack3: but a haupage that is hw
[20:50:55] mchou: Heffalump: the main problem is not getting myth installed. That part is relatively easy :)
[20:51:11] mchou: Heffalump: the problem is maintaing UPGRADES :)
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[20:51:25] Heffalump: why would I _need_ to upgrade?
[20:51:33] mchou: Heffalump: you dont
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[20:51:57] Heffalump: I'd expect the hassle to mainly come from finding all the hardware needed and getting all the software to play nicely (including remote control + lirc, for example)
[20:52:25] mchou: Heffalump: lirc is indeed a pain
[20:52:49] mchou: but finding HW is no big deal.
[20:52:59] mchou: it's the SW config that kills ya
[20:54:32] Heffalump: because nothing Just Works?
[20:54:57] mchou: Heffalump: plenty of HW just work :)
[20:55:23] mchou: it's always the SW that's the issue :)
[20:55:34] Heffalump: well, software+drivers
[20:55:47] mchou: Heffalump: that what I meant by SW
[20:56:14] mchou: and when I say "SW" that includes FW too
[20:57:17] mchou: Heffalump: but if a STB costs ~$600 you dont reallly have much choice :)
[20:57:22] Heffalump: ok, so there's no set of hardware that is known to be easy to get working (in SW terms)?
[20:57:43] Heffalump: well, we're looking at spending that much cos we want dual digital TV tuners and a DVD player
[20:57:45] mchou: Heffalump: there is plenty of known HW
[20:58:00] mchou: but you still have to configure them
[20:58:01] Heffalump: but we can afford it, so we do have choice :-)
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[20:58:30] Heffalump: cos the alternative with myth is having to wait for me to actually get it working, rather than just being able to plug it in and go
[20:59:34] mchou: Heffalump: let me put it this way, if you dont have at least 12hrs to spare go buy a PVR
[21:00:03] mchou: in reality it might even be closer to 24 hrs
[21:00:18] Juski: plus rtfm time :)
[21:00:24] mchou: to get everything tweaked "just right"
[21:01:00] Heffalump: is http://pvrhw.goldfish.org/ (the hardware db linked from the docs) the right place to go investigating hardware options?
[21:01:06] Juski: nope
[21:01:16] mchou: way outdated
[21:01:41] Heffalump: ok, what is? :-)
[21:01:58] Juski: the more enlightened folks walking this earth don't usr framegrabbers if there are better alternatives, for one thing
[21:02:03] mchou: Heffalump: mythtv docs for starters
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[21:02:22] Juski: next the wiki at www.linuxtv.org
[21:02:39] Heffalump: the mythtv docs state they don't recommend specific hardware
[21:02:47] tcpsyn: is there a way to change settings globally on upcomming recordings?
[21:03:01] mchou: Heffalump: no, but it certainly drops hints
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[21:03:07] Juski: is there a way to stop all these questions?
[21:03:09] Juski: oh yeah
[21:03:12] mchou: lol
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[21:03:35] tcpsyn: juski, only with answers :)
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[21:03:52] mchou: tcpsyn: the answer is always RTFM :)
[21:03:58] Heffalump: did I annoy him/her? :-)
[21:04:17] mchou: Heffalump: you are annoying when all the info is available
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[21:05:04] ** Heffalump did read the docs and didn't find anything like your estimate of time required to get it setup, and did find that URL you say is out of date **
[21:06:00] Heffalump: anyway, thanks for the info
[21:06:06] mchou: Heffalump: if you'd spend even the modicum amt of time researching this yourself instead of begging for the "best config," you'd be way less annoying
[21:06:43] tcpsyn: isn't that what a user channel is for.
[21:06:45] Heffalump: I didn't intend my question to be taken that way, I just wanted to know the best place to look for the info.
[21:06:55] ** SeaWeed Can Any Help With This Problem --> http://pastebin.com/848652 **
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[21:07:43] mchou: tcpsyn: no. not if the info has already been covered in the docs by RTFM.
[21:08:02] tcpsyn: mchou, fuck off, with all due respect.
[21:08:32] Heffalump: except that the docs are apparently out of date in at least one respect (that URL I gave above). That's why I was asking where to look, because I often find that kind of problem when researching things.
[21:08:45] SeaWeed: is There A Certain Patch that has to be Used in mythtv with a Bugget CARD
[21:08:50] mchou: tcpsyn: no, you fuck off, with all due respect
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[21:09:35] mishehu: stop with all of this fucking, this is a family channel, not a family making channel....
[21:09:40] ** mishehu chuckles **
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[21:09:48] tcpsyn: heh.
[21:09:50] SeaWeed: Oh boy
[21:09:51] mchou: especially on new years eve :)
[21:10:02] mchou: best time to fuck
[21:10:03] tcpsyn: It's cool, it doesn't tell me how to fuck off in the manual.
[21:10:32] mishehu: tcpsyn: if you weren't sitting at a computer you might be fucking too. heh
[21:10:38] Heffalump: well, anyway, apologies to anyone I annoyed. I am currently RTFMing.
[21:10:43] mishehu: that's why manuals never explain how to do it.
[21:10:49] mchou: lol
[21:11:04] mchou: I thought pron were manuals
[21:11:05] tcpsyn: mishehu, well, some have good pictures.
[21:11:06] mchou: :)
[21:12:03] Heffalump: pron is screenshots, surely
[21:12:13] mchou: no, video pron
[21:12:38] Heffalump: that's a HOWTO
[21:12:53] Heffalump: a manual needs to cover all the possible options at each stage
[21:12:54] mchou: how is a HOWTO different from a manual?
[21:13:32] mchou: Heffalump: lol
[21:14:00] Heffalump: a HOWTO will tend to focus on a particular scenario and tell you how to do it
[21:14:00] mchou: then you'd lose the thread :)
[21:14:16] mchou: if you get my drift
[21:14:18] Heffalump: whereas a manual has all the information needed (hopefully) but not necessarily so helpfully arranged
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[21:16:48] mchou: look, it's nuonguy....
[21:16:58] mchou: nuonguy: not gaming?
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[21:22:47] ** SeaWeed Ok Guys i Can Get a ( Signal And Lock ) with A ( Nexus ) card but Bugget Card Will not get a lock in ( Mythtv ) Any idea or help would be Great here ia some of what im seening --> http://pastebin.com/848652 **
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[21:23:56] SeaWeed: i have Tryed ( 1 nexus-s / 1 DST-1000 / 1 Vision 1020A )
[21:24:07] SeaWeed: neither of the ( bugget cards will work )
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[21:26:31] gurft: Evening gents
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[21:36:58] defend: hey guys question for ya all i am trying to setup mythtv-setup on my desktop since i do not have mouse on backend so i am using ssh -X for x11 forwarding
[21:37:48] defend: when i run mythtv-setup it comes up and i see the myth tv logo and stuff but i dont see the options you select like general input setup channel setup ect
[21:37:59] defend: it is saying this a few times also
[21:38:02] defend: couldn't open fontconfigs chosen font with Xft!!!
[21:38:06] defend: any ideas?
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[21:40:24] kusznir: Hi all: Anyone here who can help troubleshoot mythwelcome not shutting down when it says it is about to?
[21:41:40] cesman: hello
[21:42:08] cesman: tail the backend log would be your best bet
[21:45:20] Jack3: anyone here use ivtv
[21:45:34] Jack3: im having some problems
[21:45:55] kusznir: did that...it jsut says "shutting down in 10 sec", then nothing else unless I start a frontend again...
[21:46:03] Jack3: I urpmi'd it for mandriva 2007, and I am not sure where the firmware directory is
[21:46:24] cesman: yes, I'm using ivtv
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[21:48:28] kusznir: I'm also running mythwelcome in a terminal, it doesn't print out any useful diagnostics. If I use the menu in mythwelcome to force a shutdown, it sets its startup time, does the brief reboot, then shuts off — just like it should. It just won't do it unless I tell it to "shutdown now".
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[21:48:52] Jack3: cesman any ideas?
[21:48:55] kusznir: This leads me to believe that the backend doesn't believe it is really idle and blocking shutdown, but I don't know why.
[21:49:57] kusznir: Jack3: I believe the firmware directory is usually somewhere under /lib/modules. I've only used knoppmyth for the last year and a half or so, so I haven't had to pay attention (with knoppmyth, it "just works" :) )
[21:51:31] Jack3: that dir doesnt exist
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[21:51:55] Jack3: oh wait
[21:51:57] Jack3: nvm im dumb
[21:52:45] Jack3: my modules dir has a 25mdvlegacy,6,17-
[21:53:01] Jack3: omg, 2.6.17–5mdvlegacy*
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[22:14:21] Inssomniak: using 1080i output, overscan is broken, produces a flashy bar at the bottom, when overscanning the top
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[22:16:21] AngryElf: what's the best way to go about getting HD shows out of a cable box and into myth?
[22:17:03] cesman: firewire
[22:17:08] cesman: or qam
[22:17:55] cesman: I don't have a cable box
[22:18:03] cesman: i get my HD OTA!
[22:18:14] cesman: check the mythtv wiki for details
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[22:20:11] AngryElf: qam functionality varies from market to market though, right?
[22:20:20] AngryElf: depending on whether the cable company has encrypted the stream?
[22:20:47] cesman: well, the broadcast networks should not be encrypted
[22:20:56] AngryElf: yea, the OTA — but the cable lines?
[22:21:15] cesman: that is what I meant
[22:21:53] cesman: FCC mandates that the broadcast channels shouldn't be unencrypted
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[22:22:22] cesman: you can also ask for cable box w/ firewire to get those channel
[22:22:27] xris: cesman: you mean shouldn't be encrypted?
[22:22:40] cesman: right
[22:22:42] Inssomniak: where do you file bug reports?
[22:22:55] xris: Inssomniak: svn.mythtv.org
[22:23:03] xris: but overscan is usually up to your video card
[22:23:16] cesman: now if you are looking premium channels in HD, that is a crap shoot
[22:23:18] Inssomniak: well its no special setup
[22:23:31] Inssomniak: nvidia with standard XV
[22:25:10] AngryElf: well what about letting a HD cable box decode the stream and capture the output somehow?
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[22:28:59] xris: Inssomniak: but it sounds more like an nvidia glitch than a mythtv one
[22:29:17] xris: AngryElf: firewire. depends on your cableco. works great in the seattle area
[22:29:32] Inssomniak: Ive tried all the versions of nvidia drivers I can go back to with no luck
[22:30:19] AngryElf: xris, that includes any premium channels you get?
[22:30:26] xris: yup
[22:30:47] xris: only way to know for sure is to test, though
[22:34:01] Speedy2: xris: Who's your cable co and what box are you using?
[22:34:21] xris: comcast, and a motorola 6200
[22:34:27] Speedy2: DCH6200?
[22:34:33] xris: comcast is a franchise, though. service depends on the region
[22:34:40] xris: DTC, I think
[22:34:50] Speedy2: xris: What doesn't that box do well?
[22:35:16] xris: it's a nice box. esp. when the provider gives you all the channels
[22:38:37] Speedy2: You pay for all of'em?
[22:39:21] xris: just hbo
[22:39:28] xris: and only because it was free. heh.
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[22:41:48] xris: AngryElf: you have digital cable already?
[22:41:50] Speedy2: You can pull the OTA through firewire right?
[22:42:01] Speedy2: (what should be OTA that's broadcast via the cablestream)
[22:42:03] AngryElf: no
[22:42:09] Juski: hey hey
[22:42:17] AngryElf: no HDTV other than my monitor.....so I dont really want to pay the extra for it
[22:42:19] Juski: anyone with freeview in the UK, get channel 302 on :)
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[22:42:25] Speedy2: xris: DCT6200
[22:42:41] xris: Speedy2: yeah. I get every channel I'm subscribed to, except for SD vh1 for some reason
[22:42:42] Juski: cesman: btw I had to update blootube (the 4:3 one) again
[22:43:00] Juski: everybody ready for new years then?
[22:43:10] cesman: thanks for letting me know
[22:43:25] cesman: SSDD
[22:43:31] cesman: or in theis case different year
[22:43:37] Juski: cesman: and I relaunched my site.. www.juski.co.uk :)
[22:44:15] xris: Juski: nice
[22:44:29] Juski: yeah I finally got to grips with basic css .. woohoo!
[22:44:42] Juski: thanks :)
[22:45:23] Juski: so what's everyone else doing for new years? hopefully not just loitering in here. one more cig & then I'll be back to ma ickle party
[22:46:25] xris: not even 3 pm here.
[22:46:45] cesman: Juski: I thought lite-wide was going to replace wide
[22:47:20] Juski: cesman: I never said that
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[22:48:15] Juski: good grief I toil over a hot text editor & bitmap doodah for weeks & then just write it off? heh not likely matey ;)
[22:48:32] cesman: misunderstanding on my part
[22:49:06] Juski: nevermind – you can replace blootube-wide with blootubelite-wide on KM if you like though.. it's all gravy to me
[22:51:00] Juski: well folks, back to the noisy livingroom for me.. see ya laters
[22:51:05] Juski: have fun :)
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[22:59:18] SeaWeed: can some 1 Point me toward correct patch For mythtv with bugget card ?im gueesing maybe that is my issue
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[23:14:48] DeltaF: Is there a general channel for PVR advice, specifically recommendations on tuner cards?
[23:15:51] GreyFoxx: Not likely
[23:16:16] GreyFoxx: Though in here if you are capturing analog cable (or the analog output of a STB) the recommendation is a PVR150 or PVR500
[23:17:04] DeltaF: Is there a general channel for PVR advice, specifically recommendations on tuner cards.. Namely high-freq noise and ghosting.
[23:17:10] DeltaF: yikes.
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[23:17:20] DeltaF: Didn't mean to dup the orig question.
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[23:17:39] DeltaF: PVR-150 seems to be pretty popular.
[23:17:48] DeltaF: I was eyeing the 350 last year.
[23:18:19] DeltaF: I have a WinTV Go now and I was wondering if the high-freq noise and ghosting issues were a sheilding problem from earlier cards or not.
[23:18:34] GreyFoxx: the 350 isn't worth the unless you are desparately low on cpu or are getting areally good deal
[23:18:59] DeltaF: Oh right, that did the MPEG-2 decoding too, right?
[23:19:06] GreyFoxx: yup
[23:19:22] DeltaF: gotcha. Not necessary on a A64 2800+
[23:19:27] GreyFoxx: yeah
[23:19:40] Navop: Question going to try MythTV and I would like to know which linux version to use?
[23:19:58] GreyFoxx: Navop: The best answer anyone can give is whatever you are most familiar with
[23:20:07] DeltaF: So are the high-freq noise issues fixed in later models?
[23:20:17] GreyFoxx: Otherwise everyone will just tell you "my favourite"
[23:20:35] DeltaF: Navop: There are some distros that are preconfigured with myth.
[23:20:38] GreyFoxx: Delf: Noone ever mentions them in here
[23:20:57] DeltaF: Ubuntu has some packages which can get you a head start..
[23:21:02] GreyFoxx: So you cvould be having a driver problem, atuner problem or as you mentioned bad sheilding
[23:21:02] Navop: DeltaF, going to look into it
[23:21:05] DeltaF: There's a new Fedora distro for myth, plus some detailed guides on manual setup
[23:21:19] Navop: K thanks
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[23:22:02] DeltaF: GreyFoxx: OK. It seems like an interference thing. The card is from 98 which is old for tuner cards...
[23:22:44] DeltaF: What's good in the ATSC tuner world? I have TW cable and wouldn't mind access to those channels without the box.
[23:23:04] DeltaF: But I also want regular NTSC to fall back..
[23:23:15] GreyFoxx: DeltaF: the PCHDTV and air2pc are favourites, but these days most are going with the Dvico Fusion cards
[23:26:37] Speedy2: GreyFoxx: Were you trying to get a PCI card working in the MSNTV2?
[23:27:31] GreyFoxx: Speedy2: Nope, I put on the header but have never actually put in it.
[23:27:49] Speedy2: GreyFoxx: Did you have to add any transistors or caps/resistors?
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[23:28:06] Speedy2: I'm curious if it works...I'm interested in getting one if I can add a second NIC
[23:28:08] GreyFoxx: I've never tried acard in there, so I don't know if it works or not :)
[23:28:20] Jack3: is knoppmyth really as easy as people say it is?
[23:28:23] GreyFoxx: Speedy2: USB nics are cheap :)
[23:28:27] Speedy2: GreyFoxx: Do you use the MSNTV2?
[23:28:38] GreyFoxx: Speedy2: Got 4 of them around the house
[23:28:38] Speedy2: GreyFoxx: Yeah, I have a USB2.0 one, but still a lot of latency going through USB stack.
[23:28:48] Speedy2: GreyFoxx: Are you using all of them?
[23:29:16] GreyFoxx: Speedy2: Yes, hence why they are deployed around the house :)
[23:29:31] Speedy2: GreyFoxx: Doh! Did you get them all of eBay?
[23:29:35] GreyFoxx: then just replaced my old frontends
[23:29:37] GreyFoxx: yup
[23:29:48] GreyFoxx: Got 3 of them for $27 heh
[23:29:52] Speedy2: Each or total?!
[23:29:55] GreyFoxx: total
[23:30:01] GreyFoxx: got 1 of them for $25
[23:30:07] Speedy2: Jesus.
[23:30:13] Speedy2: When was this?
[23:30:32] GreyFoxx: Last April ?
[23:30:49] GreyFoxx: They've all been in use as frontends since early June/late june
[23:31:02] Speedy2: That's cool! :)
[23:33:47] GreyFoxx: yeah, they work pretty well, good tvout and what the wife likes most is that the fe in the bedroom is now silent :)
[23:33:53] Speedy2: I think you got a real deal...
[23:35:51] GreyFoxx: yeah
[23:36:06] GreyFoxx: the pack of 3 were listed as "as in, un known working condition"
[23:36:16] GreyFoxx: so I figured I'd try anyway and if anything have spare parts
[23:36:18] GreyFoxx: but they all worked
[23:37:05] Speedy2: Do you have a spare PCI card to see if it works?
[23:37:25] Speedy2: i.e. would you do a quick test on it for me?
[23:37:37] GreyFoxx: Nothing I'm willing to risk, which is why I haven't tried it yet :)
[23:38:21] Speedy2: I see.
[23:38:36] Speedy2: I could send you some PCI cards :)
[23:38:42] GreyFoxx: next time I decommision a machine I'll have a spare nic I can try
[23:38:48] Speedy2: Want some Adaptec AH-2940UW SCSI cards?
[23:39:17] GreyFoxx: No scsi drives hehe
[23:39:35] Speedy2: I think if the card just came up using lspci that would be confirmation
[23:39:39] Speedy2: Did you stick HDDs in yours?
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[23:40:17] GreyFoxx: Speedy2: No, all of mine are netbooting, BUT I did put in aide header on the same one I added apci header too and it does work
[23:40:33] Speedy2: Coolness.
[23:40:42] Speedy2: Did you have to hack on the BIOS to do netbooting?
[23:41:03] GreyFoxx: nope, just the hack to boot the linux kernel
[23:41:13] GreyFoxx: the linux kernel does the nfsrooting for me :)
[23:41:35] GreyFoxx: I just compiled in support for it and configured the boot options
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[23:44:18] Speedy2: I found some right-angle PCI connectors
[23:44:28] Speedy2: So I think I could put a NIC in there and not have to jack the case up
[23:49:13] bpickford: anyone care to reccomend a good value 5.1 sound card for use in a mythbox pls?
[23:50:47] Chromeroo: bpickford: turtle beach advantage
[23:51:45] bpickford: ty – intresting – reading up now
[23:52:12] Chromeroo: bpickford: i also use turtle beach riviera for pci
[23:52:34] Chromeroo: bpickford: i use the optical out on both
[23:54:01] bpickford: its neat, my home theater amp is broken atm – so i was planning to use a 5.1 card and pc speakers for now
[23:54:08] xris: Speedy2: beware that not all cards work wth all risers.
[23:54:29] Speedy2: I'm trying to get mythtv-setup to scan a second port of a tone switch but it doesn't seem to be switching. Hardware works fine in Linux (VDR) and Windows (MyTheatre)...any ideas?
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[23:54:44] Speedy2: xris: The only reason I can think why is if the signal lenghts are too much.
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[23:55:24] xris: Speedy2: some risers have circuitry in them (active). Some cards/motherboards need active risers..
[23:55:46] Speedy2: Bizarre.
[23:55:59] Speedy2: PCI doesn't need active termination, that's strange
[23:56:09] xris: not termination
[23:56:38] xris: I work for a rackmount server company.. risers are one of the biggest problems we have when dealing with motherboard manufacturers.
[23:56:47] Speedy2: Tell me more
[23:57:01] xris: they'll often change things slightly, and break all compatibility with half of the raid cards we use.,
[23:57:20] Inssomniak: anyone know how to adjust the text size of the OSD clock/channel numbers?
[23:58:03] GreyFoxx: Inssomniak: Depends on the OSD
[23:58:04] Inssomniak: also anyone know how to change the position? it overlaps the OSD input display
[23:58:07] GreyFoxx: some have it hardcoded
[23:58:15] Inssomniak: oh its a theme thing?
[23:58:25] GreyFoxx: some you can configure from the mythfrontend setu[p menus where you pick the osd
[23:58:27] Speedy2: xris: The motherboards you're using are standard boards or they expect PCI risers?
[23:58:49] GreyFoxx: Inssomniak: The OSD is a theme, seperate from your menu theme
[23:58:56] Inssomniak: oh.. heh
[23:58:58] GreyFoxx: some of them hardcode the font+sizes
[23:59:05] xris: Speedy2: most are designed specifically for the 1u chassis the manufacturer includes.
[23:59:08] GreyFoxx: others use the settings in the frontend for OSD settings
[23:59:27] xris: (supermicro, in this case, though it's a problem across all manufacturers)
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[23:59:49] Speedy2: xris: So those boards have their own proprietary rise/right-angle cards, right?
[23:59:55] xris: yup

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